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experiment ; and if the public found, as he believed, that it wou'd
have occasioned a diminution of revenue of 1,012,000/., ho
thought that diminution had better be raised by fresh taxes, and
that they should revert to the old system ; but, of course, the Hon.
Gentleman must depend on what was the general feeling of the
country. He apologized for troubling the House so long upon the
subject ; but he wished them to know that the Government had
shown no grounds for withholding the returns desired.
Mr. 'TERRIES briefly replied ; when

Mr. WARBURTON rose amid loud cries for a division, which
rendered him almost inaudible. We understood him to say that in
rising, he only accepted a challenge of the last speaker. The esti-
mate was not produced, because the Government had not the means
of making an accurate one. The Right Hon. Gentleman, in the
course of his speech, said that he did not require a statement of what
the taxes were to be, as that would be premature. Of what value
then would the statement be ? Either they should have an accurate
statement or an inaccurate one. The Chancellor of the Exchequer
said that if he were called on to give a statement now, that statement
must be necessarily an inaccurate one—therefore he could not un.
derstand what was to be gained by the production of this Paper, and
he should vote against the motion.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the House divided :
Ayes
Noes
Majority in favour of the motion -10
The announcement of the numbers was received with loud cheers.
PORT OF FLEETWOOD.

Mr. TOWNLEY PARKER, in,moving for the returns of which
he had given notice, did not expect tomcat with any de :ided opposi-
tion from the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Doubtless the Right
Hon. Gentleman had heard some exaggerated representations re-
specting the port of Fleetwood. It had been represented as likely
even to rival Liverpool, and therefore it had been said it would be
expedient to have a railroad to Fleetwood. The population of Li.
verpool was 165,000, that of Fleetwood must be reckoned by units
instead of by thousands. Liverpool was within an hour's ride of
Manchester ; Fleetwood was at a distance from all manufacturing
places. Liverpool had communication by water carriage with an
enormous population ; Fleetwood had no such advantage. The
town of Preston, indignant at being placed beneath the p'.rt of
Fleetwood, had made several remonstrances to the Treasury on the
subject, and he had himself presented several memorials.
The town of Preston, a few years since, was the superior port.
He complained that Fleetwood had been made an independent port,
and that Preston, which was a considerable town, had been made a
creek under a place of little importance, and which had but a very
limited trade. All he wanted was that Preston should be made an
independent port, an advantage to which he thought its situation
and commerce entitled it. The Hon. Member concluded by moving
for a return of the several memorials, representations, and commu-
nications to and from the Treasury, on which Fleetwood was made
an independent bonded port, and the port of Preston made a creek
under Fleetwood.
Sir H. FLEETWOOD wished to second the motion for the in.
troduction of the papers densanded by his Hon. Colleague.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he had in-
formed the Hon. Member that there would be no objection to the
returns ; and therefore he was surprised that the Hon. Memb.2r
should have made a speech about it.
Mr. PARKER said he would be happy to hear any counter
statements on the subject.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER (warmly)—lf the
Hon. Member had given the slightest intimation of his wish to
make any statements to the House, ho would have come prepared
with counter.statements.—(H(ar, hear.)
Motion agreed to.