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TUESDAY, APRIL 22, 1823

PA RL 1 A ENT.

lIOUS OF LORDS, APRIL 21.
Appeals were proceeded with at eleven o'clock, in which Lord
REDRSDALE assisted.

Final judgment was given in the appeal of " Foster v. Blake,"
when the decision of the Court of Exchequer in Ireland was re-
versed, by which it appears that an important loss occurs to the
respondent.

" Ross v. Sterling" was prpceeded with ; but in consequence
of its being recommended to the appellant to amend his appeal,
the. further hearing was postponed to Friday next.
" Noel v. Noel' was heard out; and the LORD CHAN-
CELLOR then moved the temporary adjournment of the House,
for the purpose of repairing to his gajesty's Levee.
About four o'clock, upon the LORD CHANCELLOR'S return,
the House resumed.

The Noble and Learned Lad moved the second reading of
Allerdyce's Divorce Bill, which was accordingly read. -
THE; LATE NEGOCIATIONS.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he intimated to the Ilouse
on a former day his intention and reVines.s to lay the table,
certain Paper's, which ti Noble Baron (hoed Holland) ilia
other Noble Lords, considered essential with reference to the
discussion of which, a Noble Earl had given notice. As he un-
derstood there was no objection to printing the Papers.before
they are laid on the table, he should take care the prints were
ready at twelve o'clock tomorrow. The Noble Earl was de-
sirous of saying a few words with respect to the two letters from
I. la Garde to Sir W. A'Court, which had been particularly
alluded to. He stated to a Noble Baron (Holland) a belief
that they had not come to the hands of his Majesty's Govern-
ment in that official form which enabled them to present the
same to the House. The Noble Earl, on further inquiry,
found they had been s-..nt from Paris in the form of it contulen-
tial communication to Sir 'tV. A'Court. They could not,
therefore, be produced to Parliament as official, but they were,
in fact, befor the public. The letters were published in form
sufficiently correct to answer all the purposes of debate, in the
Daily Papers. There were other Papers relating to the views
of France with respect to Portugal, which it was the Intention
of the Noble Earl to put on the table to-morrow.—The House
then adjourned.

• HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Sir W. LEMON presented a petition from St. Colomb, in
Cornwall, against the Hawkers and Pedlers' Act; also one
from the same place against the Duty on Coals carried coast.
wise.—Laid on the table.
A petition was presented from the County of Sligo, against
the Grand Jury Presentment Bill.—Laid on the table.
SHIPPING INTEREST.
Mr. LAMBTON presented a petition from many of his
Constituents, engaged in trading to the South Seas, vtunst the
Warehousing Bill. • The petitioners complained of the gradual
inroads upon the ancient Navigation Laws, tending, as they
thought, to encourage the employment of Foreign ..Shipping,
and prayed that if the House continued to-pursue the same
course oflegislation, they would repeal all restrictions on the
shipping of this country. .
Mr. SYKES supported the petition.
Mr. WALLACE expressed his surprise at the petition which
had just been presented, because if there was one interest be-
nefited more than another by this bill, it was the shipping in.
terest. The object of this bill was to induce foreigners to send
the produce of their industry to this country, whence,- in all
probability, it would be conveyed to the place of its original
destination in English bottoms.
The petition was then ordered to be printed... -
Mr. LAM BTON presented another petition from Glass Bot-
tle Makers in Durham' against the provisions of the Ware-
housing Bill.—Ordered to be_printed.
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REPORM.
Mr. WIWI', presented a petition from the Inhabitants of
York, signed by 1,100 individuals, praying for a Reform in
Parliament.—Ordered tolie nn the table.
Lord ill ILTON stated, in answer to a question from-lfr.
Wyvill, that it was his intention to present a similar petition
from the same place to-morrow.—Ordercd to be printed.
BENNET presented a petition from certain Poulterers
in the Cities of London and Westminster, praying that the sale
of Game may be legalized.—Laid on the table.
QUORUM MAGISTRATES' BILL.
On the motion of Mr. SYKES, the Bill was postponed to this
day se'nnight.

WHIPPING.
Mr. BENNET gave notice that he would, on the 29th inst.,
submit a motion to the House to do away with the punishment
of Whipping.
Mr. SHAW presented a petition from. the Chamber of
Commerce, Dublin, against the Warehousing Bill.—Laid on
the table.
Mr. T. WILSON presented a petition from certain Factors
of Wool in the City of Landon, praying for a repeal of the Duty
on Foreign WoOl.--4.4aiti on the table.
:JO LIN NEWPORT complained of some-misrepresen-
tation which had been made of what he had said on a late de-
lete on Irish Tithes. lie had been made to say:,- that in the
;province of Connaught anti Bishoprick of Ossory., in 18111 (as
we understood the Right Honourable Baronet), an union of SIX
livings had taken place. Now he begged distinctly to declare
that he had never said any such thing. He seldom mistated
any thing, or misrepresented any one,_ because he took parti-
cular care to ascertain the truth of all that he stated to that
House. Neither did he mean to say that he had in this instance
been intentionally misrepresented, as he could easily account
for misapprehension where the difficulties of conveying what
occurred in that House to the public were so great, as he knew
them to be. But he did think it hard that Members should be
made answerable not only for what they did say, but also- for
what they did not say in that Houso-
WEIGHTS AND 'MEASURES.
Sir 0. CLERK moved -the Order of the Day for receiving
the Report on this Bill.
Mr. D. GILBERT brought up the Report.
Mr. HUME objected to this Bill as a part Of legislation
which could nut effectually be carried into execution. The at-
tempt to equalize and assimilate .weielits and measures had
been made in France, but the power of Buonaparte had been
found inadequate to make it successful. The same failure he
expected in this country, and conihsion was all that would be
done by the attempt.
Sir G. CLERK explained, that the intention of the Bill
was to assimilate the weights and measures throughout the
country with those registered in the Exchequer. The object
was one of general utility, and was intended to dissipate con-
fusion rather than create it, and he had no doubt of its being
accomplished.
Mr. BENNtT considered that this
.Bill, if passed, would
create more confusion in that which it nmfesseel to regulate,
than the Marriage Act had done with respect to marriages.
Mr. D. G:LBERT said, it was not Proposed by this Bill
to make any alteration whatever in, • the ancient weights and
measures, but 011 the contrary to restore them throughout the
whole country to their primitive quantum, from which in many
places they were found to have degenerated to an extent scarcely
credible.
- The Report was then read, and the- Bill ordered to be read a
third time on Friday next.

Mr. BENETT (Wiltshire) presented a petition from twin Woollen Woollen Manufacturers of Wiltshire
'WOOLLEN' TRA'DE.
presented a similar Petition
against the Ware-
housing Bill.—Ordered to be printed.
Mr. ST UA RT WOitTLE itr
from Leeds.
Lord MILTON said, that he had had much correspond-
ence with his constituents upon this subject, but they. had
failed to convince him that every particular interest m the
country deserved of the Legislature an exception from the ape.
ration of the Bill in question in its favour. If he could have
been so persuaded, he should appear as an opponent to it, but
le. was convinced it could only tend toe destruction of the Bill
altogether.
Mr. PIERSE said a few words which were inaudible in the
Gallery.
Mr. %VA LLACE assured the House that he considered the
Bill as.putting the woollen manufacture on a better footing than
it was before.
' After a few words from It !r. GIPPS and Mr. MannYa'rx,
the petition was read and ordered to be printed.
Mr. S. WORTLEY then presented a similar petition franc
the Merchants and Miumfaeturers of the town and neighbour-
hood of Huddersfield. Be declared himself to be at issue with
his Right Hon. Friend, as to the comparative prices at which
cloth could be manufactured in England, and in other countries.
He therefore hoped some inquiry would take place.
Mr. WALLACE wished to know, with the opinion enter.

twined by the Right Hon. Gentleman, how he could answer the
fact of 205,000/. in woollens being annually exported to the
Continent.
A further conversation' took place, in which Lord hirmeoN,
Mr. BENETT, and Mr. GLADSTONE participated, after which
the petition was ordered to be printed.
CATHOLIC CLAIMS.
Lord NUGENT, seeing the Attorney-General for Ireland in
his place, begged to ask, whether he bad rightly understood
that Gentleman's answer to a Gallant Officer (we believe Gen.
Gascoyne) on a preceding evening—to wit, that he did not in-
tend at present to renew his motion in favour of the Roman
Catholics. If that motion by the Hon. and Learned Gentle.
man was not intended to be renewed, he (Lord Nugent! pro..
posed bringing forward a measure in favour of the Roman Ca-
tholics of England merely. As the Right Hon. and Learned
Gentleman continued silent, he supposed that his conjecture as
to the Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman's intention was cor-
rect ; and he begged, therefore, to give notice, that on the 2d of
May he should move for leave to bring in a bill to place the
Roman Catholics erEngland upon the same footing witla those
of the sister kingdom.
BR I TISLUM US WM.
..
the motionAtcounts of the Ependi.
ture and income of the Britistflittseum, in 18i12, with Esti-
mates of the same for 1823, were ordered to be laid before the
House.
A Person from the British Museum afterwards presented
the Papers; which were ordered to be printed.
The consideration of the Report of the Irish Grand Jury
Presentment Bill was postponed till Friday.
IRELAND.
Sir N. COLTHURST wished to ask the Chief Secretary of
Ireland when he purposed submitting to the House the view
which Government took of the present disturbed state of Ire-
land, and the means by which they proposed to remedy the
evil. He hoped this subject would be brought .forward at
the earliest opportunity. He then moved an humble Address
to the Crown, praying for copiei of Addresses presented to his
Excellency the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland by the Grand
Jurors of the County and City of Cork at the late .Spring
Assizes, together with a copy of the Address received from the
assembled Magistrates of the said County'.
Mr. GOULBURN said, it was his intention on the 30th
inst. to propose to the House the renewal of the Insurrection
Act, and then an opportunity would offer for discussing every
thing connected with this subject. He had only abstained front
calling the attention of the House to it sooner, that the papers
which might throw light on it should be in the hands of the
House.

The motion was agreed to. ,
Lord ENNIS3IORE moved an Address to the Crown, for a
return from the Clerk of the Crown in the Cotnty of Cork,
of all persons who bad been tried under the Insurrection
Act, from the conunencernent of the Special Session up to
the 19th of the present month, distinguishing the number
found guilty, specifying the crimes of which they were
convicted, and shewing of those convicted the number whose
sentences had been carried into execution, the number which
had been pardoned, and the cases still undisposed of. lie
offered this motion to the House for the purpose of aster.
tabling how the Insurrection Act had been applied in the
County of Cork.

After some remarks on the system acted upon in Ireland,
Mr. BENNET wished to know if the Government had any
other remedy to propose for the existing evils than the renewal
of tl►e Insurrection Act ?

Mr. Secretary CANNING thought as the question of the
Hon. Gentleman was an arguinentative one, the House would
not consider it necessary that it should receive an immediate
answer.

Mr. RENNET conceived he had a right to take the course
he had adopted.
Mr. GOULBURN said as the motion of which he had given
notice would so soon be before the IIOuse; he thought it would
be better that he should defer giving his reply till then.
Mr. ABERCROMBY desired to know the number of con'-
, mittals which had taken place under the Insurrection Act in
the County of Cork. •He wished for this, as he understood the
country to be in a most alarming state, having been informed
that two hundred persons had been discharged or acquitted in
consequence of the witnesses against them being afraid to
come forward.
31r. V. FITZGERALD wished for a more general Return
than that which had been called for by the Noble Lord. Ile
thought it ought not to be confined to the County of Cork. lie
therefore moved, as an amendment, 'to leave out the words
" the County of Cork,” for the purpose of inserting. these
words, " those Counties in which the Insurrection Act was in
force." •

Altor a few words from Sir J. NEVVPOUT, the motion was
agreed to.

WAREIJOUSING BILL.
Alr. WALLACE moved the third reading of the Warehous.
ing Bill. •

'Mr. H. BRIGHT thought the Bill gave the Lords of the
Treasury an oppressive power, as it enabled them to confis-
cate the whole cargo of a ship for one prohibited article.
The Bill was then read a third time.
Mr. NITA LIJACE said he had some amendments to propose
to the Bill, in additional clauses which he was about to move.—
One of these would, he thought, in some degree meet the views
of the lion. Gentleman. One of the amendments would go to
relieve the Captains of ships from the inconvenience now com-
plained of, respecting the bonds which they were compelled to
give. The bands heretofore required from them would now
be thrown on the Shipper's articles. Another amendment
which he should propose went to relieve the original importer
front that continued responsibility' which now attached to him
after the goods had passed through his hands, by transferring a
portion of it to the actual proprietors of the goods. A new
arrangement was to be made with respect to stores, to admit
of the same being transferred to another ship. The regulations
in force, with respect to the packing of Plantation coffee, were
to apply to the packing of every sort of coffee. The clause
relating to the exemptions in favour of Irish linen had been
misunderstood, and a strong sensation had been created in con-
,psequence. Without giving up any opinion which he had ever
eld, he was willing to give up the clause which had been mis.
conceived, so as to leave the exemption in question es it had
formerly been.
The Right lion. Gentleman then moved a number of verbal
amendments, which were agreed to.
k
The Verbal. Amendments were read a third time and passed.
COMPOSITION OF TITHES.
Upon the motion of Mr. Gotiraiu test, the Composition of
Tithes Bill was read a second time.
Mr. S. RICE said that the principle of the Bill was excel-
lent, and one which called forth the greatest possiblrgratitude
towards the Government. If, however, the propositions of
his Right lion. Friend (Sir J. Newport) at former periods, had
been entertained by the House, so as, to have acknowledged the
principles of commutation, and have appointed Commissioners
to inquire into the subject, they should not now haste had to
legislate under so many disadvantages. He rejoiced to see that
the Bill contained the principle of prospective compulsion ; but
he doubted whether its mechanism, as it now stood, was equal
to the object the Right Hon. Gentleman had in view. There
was another objection which he should have to the Bill, if it
was intended to give the Clergy a compensation for claims
which they did not and were never likely to receive. In the
province of Ciinnaught, for instance, the Clergy claimed a
tithe on potatoes, but that tithe was never paid ; yet he feared
that the Bill would contain the eleinents or an equivalent for
such claims. With these difficulties, and considering the na.
tore of the Bill, he did not think it likely that the forms of the
House would allow of sufficient examination and discussion in
a regular Committee. lie could wish, therefore, that it should
go up stairs to a Committee, to be investigated by all parties,
and in full detail. lie wished this, because he desired to see
the measure become such a one as would be creditable to the
Irish Government, and a real peace-offcring to the people.
Mr. GOULBURN said, that the fittest time for discussing
the provisions of the Bill was in the Conimittee, be it one of
whale House, or be it formed of particular individuals, or
even of all parties, up stairs. The Hun. Gentleman appeared
it/think that a greater facility of doing this would be obtained ,
by first sending the Bill up stairs, and then bringing it into a
Committee of the House. He doubted much wether this
would be the case. it' the discussion were had in an open
Committee up stairs, he did not see how its difficulties would
be leskiened where there would be so much less order, that in a
Committee of the whole Muse with a Chairman to controul
them. Another course might he taken, by sending the Bill
up stairs to a select number. But then they must look at the .
probability of an effect being created out of 'doors, very much
to the prejudice of the measure, by those who were disposed to
misrepresent; and even if the MU should go through either of
such Committes up stairs, he could not see that any thing
would Lye gained by it. It must still go through a Committee

PRICE SEVENPENCE.

of the House, and subjected to the same opposition from con-
.flicting parties. considering, therefore, that to send the'Bill
up stain, would be either to incur the risk of much imputation,
or the certainty of great confusion without avoiding any of the
difficulties which stood in their way, he thought it best to let it.
go at once, in the regular way, into a Committee of tjte House.
If, there, the difficulties should be found insuperable, then it
might go to another Committee up stairs.
Alr. V. FITZGERALD thought it desirable that the melt-
sure should he entertained by a Committee up stairs, and be
hoped that in the event of great difficulties arising in the course
proposed by his Right Honourable Friend, such a plan would
be adopted.
ColonekßAßßY expressed a similar opinion.
Sir J. NEWPORT agreed with the Right Hon. Gentleman
opposite (Mr. Ooulburn), that if the measure went before a
Select Committee, great suspicion would be excited in the pub-
lic mind that one or other or the interests concerned had been
sacrificed; and if it were an open Committee, the confusion
would be much greater than any advantages which might be
gained. He could not really see why the Bill should not be
got through with a full inquiry, into all its details by the House
in the regular way: 4, -
Mr. PEEL took very much the same view of the case as the
Right Hon. Baronet. lie thought it would be a bad precedent
to send the measure up stairs. It was a part of the duty of the
House, and he hoped they should go into the Committee with
a bona fide intention of considering and perfecting the Bill es
far as lay in their power.
Sir H. PAR NLI4/4 spoke a few words to the same effect.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD explained.
Mr. HU3IE said he should not oppose the Bill, but he
wished that it had been founded on the principle which he proposed last year. His hope was that they should get rid
of' a great portion of the tythes altogether. In his opinion.
the time must come when the property of the Church of
Ireland must not only be applied to the support of the
Protestant Clergy, but of the Catholic Clergy also. This was,
the only way of conciliating and tranquillizing the people of
-Ireland. With regard to the question of the Committee, he
thought with those who preferred a Committee of the whole
House.
Mr. W. SMITH Oought there would never be any peace in
Ireland, until the Church Establishment was altered. He
should vote for the Bill going into a Committee. • Mr. S. RICE explained, and the Bill was committed for
Friday.
Mr. GOULBURN moved the second reading of the Militia
Reduction Bill.
Mr. HUME approved of the Bill ; but hq thought the whole
of the Staff' should be reduced, if circumstances rendered it
practicable.
Mr. GOULBURN spoke a few words in defenceof the Staff,
and the Bill was read a second time.
On the question for its committal,
Col. BARRY said that the power of reducing the Militia
ought not to be left entirely in the Crown.
Sir N. COLTHURST spoke also in fitvour of the Militia
Force.
Mr. HUME explained, and the Bill was committed for to-
morrow.
On the question for the second reading of the Irish Church
Rates Bill,

SirJOHN NEWPORT said he thought the Bill highly
objectionable. lie thought the Ecclesiastical jurisdiction ought
to be abridged.
Mr. GOULBURN supported the Bill. It did not at all add
the 'power of the Clergy.
Mr. HUME spoke against the Bill. He was satisfied justice
could not be done by the Ecclesiastical Courts of Ireland.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD spoke shortly, we believe, in favour
of the Bill, which was read a second time, and committed, after
few words from Mr. H u 31E, Mr. FITZGERALD arta Sir J.
NEWPORT, for Thursday next. ,

NEWFOUNDLAND.
Mr. HUME gave notices that on the 18th of May he should
move for a Committee to ing!uire into the Laws in force re-.
specting Newfoundland.
The Irish Customs Duties' Rill went through a ComMittee,.
after a few words from Mr. IlEußtEs, Sir J. NEMPORT, Mr.
S. lint, Mr. V. FiTZGEICILD, and MiAlust.c.—lteport to-
morrow.
The Charitable Loans. Societies' Bill went through a Com-
mitee.—Report to-morrow.
The other Orders of the Day being disposed of, the House
adjourned at Eleven o'clock.