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London, England, 1812-03-24 00:00:00

COLON EL NPMARON.

Mr. WARD wished to ask the Right Hon. Gentle-
man opposite (the Chancellor of. the Exchequer)
question, on the subject of Colonel.
new -appointment. He wished to know if tl.e
office of Keeper of the Privy purse was a new office,
a-d if there was a salary attached to it ?
The CUANCULLOR of the EXCHEQUER presumed
the Honourable Gentleman was aware. that Colvnel
Taylor had held such a situation under ti.e King,
for which he received a salary. Colonel M‘Malion
received the same salary from the Prince as Colonel
Taylor had, received for the same service under
the King.

Mr. WARD wished to koow what were the-duties
of this Office.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER conceived
the duties of it to be in some measure expressed by
its name. They we►e those of a Private Secretary to
the Regent.
Mr. WHITBREAD wished to ask, if such an office
had been in existence before the infi;mhies of the,
King rendered.it- necessary? He bad thought thir
such an Officer tad only been appointed in conse
quence of the infirmities of the King, and it he was
correct in this idea, it might have been hoped, that
stch an Officer Would not have been required by the
Noce Regent. He wished to know whether or
not the appointment of Colonel Taylor had ever
been gazetted as a regular Court appointment, and
whether the salary of, Colonel MrMahon was to he
d awn from' the same fund on which. that. a Colonel
Taylor had been charged,

The CITANCILLOR of The lltenrettrtsft obierved)
that if the appointment of Colonel M'Mahon ap,
peared to the Hon. Gentleman an improper one, it
was competent for him to bring the subjea under
the consideration of the House. He did not be-
lieve that such an Officer attended the King before
his infirmities were so great that he could not aft for
himself, but of late the business had so much in-
creased, that if the House expe6ted to see. a Sove-
teign of Great Britain, who could do without such
an Officer, he thought that they expeded that which
-they would never have.
Mr. WARD washed to know if the Right Hon.
t entleman had any objeainns to state, who advi•ied
the appointment àf Col. McZilahon to that situa-
tion

The CHANCELLOR a the EXCHEQUER bad no
-12)jeClion tow:Aver the question of the Hon. Gent.
it had been advised by himself.
WYNNE wished to submit it to the Right
Eon. Gentleman whether or not it would be neces:
tary to biing in a Bill to make it obligatory on Mem-
bers of that Hou c accepting situmions during the
Regetlev, to vacate their seats in Parliament.
The CHANCELLOR of the Ekcitsaueit had al-
ways thought that •oaiLeS conferred by the Ptince
Regent, as Prince Regent (he did not speak of of-
fices it. his Duchy or Lancaslcr) ,Aere to be consi-
d-r,d the same as offices held .under-the crown ; and
therefore the existing provision he conceNed to be
sufficient to meet all cases, in which the Prince Re-
gent ItiLht think it necessary to (stair, or re-ap-
Voilltofnccrc.

Mr. BENNETT gave notice, that, after the recess,
Ile would move tot certain papers rehttir►g to the pu-
tisitment of soldiers.
Mr. Ross brought in the Parish Register Bill,
was read a first time, and ordered to be read
a seconC to-inorrovv.

TtHi PRINCE REGENT'S MESSAGE.
On ifitsUrder ot the D ,y being read for the House
resolving itself into a Committee on the Messaz.,,e of
the Pit,sce respecting the Princesses,
Al:. CRELveY expressed a wish that the subject
'Pight be deferred, as lie thought, before a new
.charge were hilt! on.the public, it might be proper to
tlok into the state of the revenue ot the country.—
'y'011) the lapels laid before the House by the Mi-
.ohters up to Jan. t 2, 1812., there appeared a dis-
paragement in the accounts of last year, of three
I"ilhotis and a halt. On the COnsolidated Fun.t
Vlere appeared a diminution of more ban one mil-
II", while there was an increase of charge' en it, to
It'e amount of one million and nail. Though there
a 4 still a surplus of the Consolidated Fund•remain-
.39g, did the Right Hon. Gent, think it impossible.
4or this to be exceeded by the increasing charges on
ihe fund In the event rat such becoming the actual
state of things, he wished to-know in what way the
Alight Hon. Gent. would promise to meet the exi-
gencies of the case : whether by new taxes, by the
'lnterest of the Sinking Fund, or by any other ex-
Vedieet Did he suppose that in such a state of
;pings the holders of stock would be very well sa-
-I:shed with their securities. The state of the re-
`ehue ought to be looked into before new burdens
v ere lard on the people, as alrrady a feeling ot
dis-
trust
had appeared. With die addition made to the
Civil Gst, he thought tlie 30,0001. which it was
~Ou ire contemplation to charge on the Consolidated
tl4tt might have been avoided ; 70,0001. had been
added to ir. Fioin whin it formed): was, 58,0001.
ktki been given by the King to the Queen, and from
lWhat was now raised to the Pi ince Regent, tatty,
therefore
17.0001. annually to the Princess ot Wales; tt
appeared to hinythat this new application
10 Parliament was not necessary. He concluded by
touvingfe=74n amen:norm!,
That the House should on that day month resolve itself
into the Committee.
Mr. Rose, with resped to what had fallen from
the Hon. Gentleman respecting the securities of
Iltockholdels, had to observe, that by an A& of the
47th of the King, it was provided, that if in any
quarter the Consolidated Fund should be found un-
equal to the charges on it, the first supplies of the
year were to be applied in aid of it, and this lie
toOceived was sufficient to make the Stockholder s
easy about their securities.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCREQUER said, the
" honourable Gentleman had again brought forward
*memento which might produce an improper im-
Pression on the public mind. The &munition of
. Three millions and a half (or 3,600,000;.) which had
'en spoken Of, was not the result of a proper com-
tla.rison, Such might be drawn from a-partial corn-
Allison of the last, With the most productive year
- ever • known; but instead of a diminution of
1'600,0001. properly speaking, there was but a fall-
mg ofd of 1,260,0001. 'lois, too, was the result at
ttime when the last years taxes could not have
peen expected to take effed, so as to produce the
souls at which they were rated. Under those cit.-
vihnstances, he thought there was no reason to ap-
70rehend that the proposed vote should in any way
tPaterially affect the security of the holders of stock.
. as the Honourable Gentleman had seemed to
this subject had been considered at the time
the Prince's Household arrangements were made,
the sum fur which he should move in the Committee
Nust have been added to what they had voted at
that time ; but it had been thought better to bring
this subjed forward by itself, and on that ground it
was postponed. The Honourable Gentleman had
seemed to think, the sum they were to be called
'upon for in the Committee might have been easily
Spared out of the Civil List. This might appear so
to him, as he compared the 17.0001. given annually
to the Princess of Wales, with the 58,0001. per
srinurn which had been given to the Queen by the
ding, The fail, however, was, that the same de-
aion might be roade from the Civil List in the
hands of the Prince, as had been made from it when
'lt was in the hands of the King, as her Majesty
teived her 58,0001. per annum as, formerly. The
Honourable Gentleman was also mistaken in the
1/.4ni which the Princess teceived, as he understood
:it to be 57,0061. including 50001. which she received
411, pin money, whereas she received 17,0001. ex-
clusive of pin money. It had been augmented from
1,2,0001. to 17,0001. in consequence of its being
tnotight necessary by the King to inake a more
ample provision for her than she had formerly en-
joyed. In 1809, her debts had been stated to
!Mount to 41,u001. Her income was at that time
,0001. per annum, exclusive of .50001. pin money.
Prince; on that occasion, averse to any appii-
Cation being made to the public, took her debts
Iljon himself, and at the same time conceiving that

they might have been tetilletaed in eetteequettee of
the insufficiency of her income to meet her ex-
pences, be augmented it to seventeen thousand
pounds.- It was found on a farther investigation of
the business, that her debts amounted to 80001.
more, and this sum, in addition to the 41,00n1. be-
fore mentioned, the Prince also took.upon himself.
On a still more minute investigation of the subject,
it was found that there was yet a small fradion more
of 20001. and this last sum it had been thought rea-
sonable that she herself ehould pay out of her in-
creased income. Ihe Prince thus to prevent the
charge being thrown on the public, took 49,0001.
on himself of the debts of- the Princess. The Ho-
nourable Gentleman thought there was now a large
disposable fund in the hands of the Prince. This
was not the case, as every part of his income Much
could be so pplied had been given to a Commission
under the Seal of the Duchy of Lancaster, for the,
purpose of liquidating those debts which had before
been under the consideration of that House.. He
strongly objected to postponing the Committee.
Mr. Warrearterso coneutred with the motion-of
his Honourable Friend, not that he thought the
sum so large as to shake the public credit, . but be-
cause he thought it was necessary, that a full in-
quiry should be made into the present stateof the
revenue.- He for one had imeeistoed that the Prin-
cesses were to live with the Queen, and on this ac-
count it was, .he conceived., that the addition of
10,0001. bad been made to her Majesty's income.
He had told the Right Honourable Gentleman, that
even after that 'be soppoSed some provision would
be proposed for the Princesses ; but he thought that
if such a provision were to be made for them, there
was no necessity for adding 16,0001. to the income
of the Queen. He then went over the statements
made by the Chancellor of tee Exchequer, respect-
ing the debts of . the Prieceseof Wales, &c. auJ ob-
served, that aftei the very liberal grants whiCh had
been recently made by Parliament to the Ro' at Fa-,
miiy, it might have been hoped that they would not
have been called upon again so soon. As this was
now done, however, they might shortly exped to
be called-upon to make an additional provision for
the Princess of Wales. When they were told that
the Prince nad taken leer debts upon himself, to pre-
vent an application on the subject to Parliament,
they could not forget that at the time he did
this, his own debts were unextinguished, to pay
which, an arrangement had- been made, of a na-
ture
the most injurious to the country; yet,
in the same breath that the Right Honourable
Geenlernan-hed told them of his Royal Highness's
taking upon himself [lie debt's of the Princess, he
had informed them that 70,0001. had been entrusted
to a cotom,ssion, to' liquidate his owll. 'Why, this
to him appeared the must complete juggle for the
publiC that was ever heard of, that a person should
underiake to pay the debts of another to save the
people that expence, while lie came to gei his own
yard by that same public. On the commission ap-
pointed for the liquidation of his Royal Highness's
debts, he would obserte, that it was appointed, by
the Prince, and that it was revocable by him. Thus
the Prince Was now in possession of the sovereign
power, with 130,0001.
per aunt"' as
itplei
were,
isd
in,
his privy purse, which be might applY as
notwithstanding the appoir.tment of the commis-
sion which had been nientioued. Were they not to
be as jealous of the Prince as they bad been of the
C‘own itself ? The utmost that had ever been al-
lowed for the*King's privy purse. was 0,0001. He
would ask, did the Right Hon. Gentleman hold
himself responsible for the proper application of the
money under the commission ? Did he kt.ow that
when by the 70,0001. so applied, the whole Of the
Prince's debts were paid, that the 36,0001. per an-
num they were now to be called upon for, would
be repaid after a few years ? For this he contended
they ought to have security, but at presenhthey had
no security for it whatever. In his opinion it would-
be a better way to pay the whole of the Prince's
debts at once,,,,and let the annuity of 70,0001. be
revoked.
• The question was put, and the amendment ne-
gatived. The House then resolved itself into a
Committee.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER having
shortly taken a view of the present situation of the four
Princesses, and of the provision formerly made for
them in .the event of his Majesty's demise, ob-
served, that the melancholy .events which had
taken place, though certainly by no means to
be regarded as a demise of the Crown, had the
same effeet of placing them nearly in the same situa •
tion they would have been placed in by the actual
demise of the Crown He apprehended that it
would be necessary, in making a new provision, to
set the former provision aside. It was his inten-
tion to propose, that to each of the four Princesses
they should grant the sum of goool. per annum,
exclusive of what they received from the Civil List.
He should therefore move for the sum of 30,0001.
At the death of one of them he would propose, that
the survivors should receive 10,0001. per annum
each'; at the death of a second, the two remaining
to continue to receive 10,0001. each ; and on the
death of a third, the sole survivor to receive t 2,0001.
per annum. This arrangement, the difference in
the times considered, he did not think would appear
to the House as prop sin an umeasonable advance
on the sum originally named as a provi-ton for the
Princesses. The sum named, he wished to be un-
derstood, t 4.23 to be divided aitiolg Ail the Princesses
on the death of one of the Others, and receive
10,0001. per annum, and the last survivor to receive
12,0001. He had no reason to suppose the Prin-
cesses would wish to remove from the establish-
tnent on which they were at 'present, but if they did
not choose to remain there the whole year loom!,
he thought it was unreasonable that, at that per'ed of
life they had attained, they should not be allowed
the means of forming an establishment of their own,
or of changing their residente at any period of the
year for Weil' health, convenience, or pleasure. He
concluded by moving, " That it is the opinion of
the Committee, that an annuity of- 36,0001. be
granted to the King, to citable him to Make a pro-
vision for the Princesses Augusta, Sophie, Erixabesh,
and Maryeinstead of an annuity of 30,0001. former-
ly granted, to be payable out of the Consolidated
Fund of Great Britain."
Mr. TIERNEY understood the present grant to
give the Princesses 15001.. per annum more than for-
tneelye making the total income of each 13,0001.
per annum. He did trot say it was too much, but
the former provision seemed to suppose that they
were all to live together; while this seems to sup-

pose they wt*okl prefer separate
.estublishmtPts.--e
If they were still to continue on the Civil List Esta-
blishment, this appeared to him a measure merely to
hand over to thetti 90001. pet annum to put in their
pockets; and if they were to be taken from it, he
those lit some deduction ought to be areide from the
Civil List on that account. Has great ''objeetion to
the manner in which this business uas managed
was, that it was done piece-meal-seio :bit at a time, so
that the House did not -knew what. they evere doing.
He had wished it all to he brose,ht before them at
once, that an estimate of the wbehe might be made
in the first instance. He would stAte what lied been
granted altogether. In h sot, the Civil List was
fixed at 960,000 J. when the 0,0601. was added to
it. At the same time 135,0001. of the expermeea
charged on it were taken away, so that it might he
said there was here a further addition to the CiVil
List of 135,0001. In the present Session it had
been augmented by 124,01101. as till that excess was
exceeded by 10;0001. no application on the subjea
was to he done in,Parliement. In another instance
218,0001. 'w
-as- to be -set down. He would take
the Duchy of Cornwall at 10,0001. that of Lancaster
at 15,0001. An addition of 70,0001. had been made
to the Civil List this Session, and to this adding
30,0001. for the lour and one-half per cents. with
the 70,0001. (of which 17,0001. was paid teethe
Princess, and 53,0001. remained to the Prince), and
the 36,0001. Which they were noe. called upon to
vote, would make the sum total of the provision
made for the Royal Family no less than 1,668;0001.
He did not say that this provision was too great,
but this he said, that they ought too lot* if they
could not do with less. He thought there was much
waste in- the Civil List, and believed, if a Committee
were appointed, with proper powers, a sum of no
less than 36,0001. annually might be saved, without
diminishing the splendour or the comforts of the
Royal Family. This Committee, however, was not
to be appointed, or if appointed, they were not to be
allowed to examine persons ; and the information
got from papers was not always satisfaaory,- as in a
late instance, where. an estimate of the sums
.lire-
-sensed to Foreign Ministers was to be explained, all
the information given was that one had been set
down for two. . He gave no opinion on -the sum
voted, but he wished to xarn the Honse how they
were ,going on, and how they had been going on,
till they got tlme provision for the Royal Family up
to 1,700,0001. He did not. know why the Prin-
cess of Wales appeared in • her present situation.
It was said the Prince and Princess were separated.
It might be so, but as a Member of Parliament he
knew nothing of it. There might be .very good .rea-
sons for their being separate, but he did not know
what they were. The Right Hon. Gentleman-
(t he Chatacellor of the Exchequer) knew a great deal
about it. He knew if the separation were just or
not ; but he (Mr, T.) was surmised to see his (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer's) favourite Princess
left on the scanty allowance she had at present, for
a scanty allowance it was, if the prevision made for
the other .branches of the Royal Family were not
too great. Arrangements might have been made of
a very amicable neturee but he knew moiling of
them ; but this be knew that the wife of the Prince
Regent, who represented the QUeen as much as he
(the Prince Regent) did the King, was allowed to
be passed over unnoticed and negleEted under the
protection of the Right Honourable Gentleman who
was formerly her loudest champion. He thought,
while the people paid es they did for the support of
the Royal Family, they -had a right to expect to see
tee Princess in a situation more suitable to her rank,
as the wife of the Prince Regent.
Mr. W. SMITH could see no reason for adding to
the burthen of the public, by making the proposed
increase of provision for the Royal Family, There
were various ways of getting popularity,- and he had
no hesitation hi saying, that when persons in the
situation of the Right Hon. Gentleman were closely
conneaed, as he was, with the
,Royal Family, a
species of inclination to do that which would be
agreeable to such high Personages was naturally ge-
nerated, which but few could resist. He could see
no advantage in the spiettdour hich bad been
spoken of, tied he believed the people of this coun-
try were better pleased with the blessings of the
Constitution than with all the pomp of Royalty.
He had noticed that in the countries on the Conti-
'nent this splendour increased precisely iii the pro•
portion in which liberty, or the appearance of it,
was diminished. The Queen's Establishment
amounted to 58,0001. per annum, while that of the
Princess of Wales did not exceed 22,0001. who was
to be looked upon as ostensibly the Queen of the
country. . The splendour of the Crown, lie thought,
was no less concerned in the situation of her Royal
Highness, than in that of her Majesty. He thought
it would be better to postpone the farther considera-
tion of this subject.
Mr. PONSONEY said, that unless the Right Hon.
Gentleman could give some further infoimation
upon the subject, he should be obliged to vote
against his proposition. When the Right Honour-
able Gentleman had made his statement to the
House on proposing the new
.arrangement in the
establishment of the_Royal Family, he (Mr. Putt-
sonby) had objet9e'd to its complexity, and expressed
his wish for a more simple plan—and in that wish
lie was inclined to think that many would now 'juin,
The present application Was not merely for an in•
crease of annuity, but an anticipation of the period
in which the annuities should be paid. What pre-
tence t hen, he would ask, could be given for such an
anticipation ? Part of the Right Hon. Gentleman's
plen was a grant of 10,0001. a year additional to her
Majesty, upon an idea that her situation would be
atiended with en increase of expellee ; but he (lid
not know of any additional expenee in the artiee of
horses and carriages (as was expeEted), since the
grant was made. The Right Hon. Gentleman had
also proposed a permanent addition to the Civil
List ; but was not that addition granted upon an
understanding- that the younger branches of the Fa-
mily should reside, as usual, with the Queen ? Yet
now it was stated, for the convenience of time pre-
sent enguinent, that' the Princesses were likely to
change their situation. If this was the case, he
would say, that the same charge should not be made
on the Civil List. But had the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman reason to know that their situations would
be changed ? Did he know-that they would not re-
main in the same situation? It so, he was bound
to state it to the House. It was, under all the cir-
cutrastances, a most unwarrantable and exelehragant
proposition, and therefore he should feel himself
obliged to oppose the Resolution.

MT. PRETIMAITTLE tile/tight the pfoptred atemt4:
Was due to the Princeses., from the situation in
which they stood, and the distingukhed and ami-
able characters they possess. fiecertainly Was of
opinion, that if the inquiry into the Civil L.st was
gone into that night, the charge tuieit be provided
for without hying any additional, burthen on the
but in the meantime he -could not suspend
his vote. His Right Hun. 'Friend, who had just
spoken, had asked upon what pretence the antici-
pation could be justified ? fle would answer, upon
a pretence of the situation in which the Prince-see
stool, of the wish they most feel to 6e relieved Itotu
the did, observation of domestic calamity witi,in
the walls of the Palace. The country was called
upon, from a consideration of their age and situa-
ti in, to make the grant, and he who had witnessed
their charity, and heard of thc- goo,' ,hey did in the
nelghbouihood around them, would consent most
willingly to affbrd therb the me :ms of continuing
theii benetaCtions. He sei;arated the question en-
tirely from that of the Civil Lis-, and should give
lily vote in favour of it with the most heurttelu saA

Telt% D. GIDDY-, as Chair Man of the Cothmittee
appointed to inquire into the state of the Civil List)
expressed his conviaion that the Committee was
most wilting to see what would be done m the way
of retrenchment, and to apply for any documents-
Which might guide them in their inquiry.
Mr. BENNET said he could not agree that one
shilling of the public money should be granted with,
out previously inquiring into the state of-any other
fund supposed to be capable.of furnishing it, espe,
'daily in the present situation of the country, when
every post contained some account of the wretch.
edness of our starving manufe&urers. He hoped
that some information would be given respet.inig'
the Princess of Wars—no one could be better in-
formed than ihe Right Hon. Gentleman on what
was called the Delicate Investigation. He was at a
loss to knoW why the same provision should not bo
made for her as for the Queen of George the
Third ? Why she should not be treated as a Queen
of this Country ? They had heard of books being
suppressed which were intended for her, vindication,
and he could not suppose the Right Hon. 'Gentle-
man would desert his friend at present in her ut,.
most need.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQURA could not
help noticing the contradict ion between the sentence
With which the Hon. Gentleman sat down,'end
that with which he rose. He had commenced
with stating, that until certain conditions weir:
complied with, he would not grant a single
shilling of the public money, and
.concluded with
affirming, that some increase should be given to then
Princess of Wales. With regard to the sepaia•
lion of the Royal Persons alluded to, be should
say nulling. He might and did lament it as
much ns any one posSibly could; but neither a
a Minister, nor in any other charaaer, did he lea
hirusel•f. called upon 'to say any thing on the staa
Jett. As to what had been said respecting the grant
of the ten thousand pounds additional to the Queen,
the Committee must be aware, that it I,viet entirely'
of a different nature from that now under conside-
tai ion. Its objeel was to enable the Queen to meet
eXeences which she would he likely to incur oc-
conneaed in any manner with the Princesses.
There Was ho increase in the Civil List of the Prince•
Of Wales above that of the King, on the contrary,
there was a diminution. As to the Civil List iiself,
though it was perfectly understood in that House it •
Was not in other plaCes and representations were
often made -as if the Civil List was entirety at his
Majesty's disposal. • When the Right Hon. Gentle-
man spoke of the increase to the Princesses, it might
not be an extravagant demand, but it had nothing
to do with the Civil List. An Hon. Gentleman had
slid, that a splendid allowance would be male to
the Princesses, if they would all live together, but
he was sure the House would not be inclined to
measure out its liberality on such an under-
standing. Another -HonourableGeotleman thought
that things should continue to go on in the
same way, and that the Princesses should re-
main as usual in the House of the King and Queen ;
but when they looked to the time of life they had
arrived at, and the amiable charthera they had
maintained, he was sure that was not the way in
which they would be willing to deal with them.
Though he did not agree with the Hon. Gentleman
opposite (Mr. Freemantle) in his expectations from
the Civil List, he concurred with him in regarding
the two questions as distina, and in resisting any.
delay of the present grant in contemplation of any
other inquiry.
Mr. WHITBREAD defended his Hon. Friend (Mr.
Bennet) from the charge of iuconsistency, and
thought it-most natural that he should wish to see
the Princess of Wales placed in that situation in
which he believed every person in the count!),
wished to see her. It was rather alarming to un-
derstand from the Right Honourable Gentleman-,
that if a reconciliation should-take place in a quar-
ter where every one must desire it, are Right Ho.
pourable Gentleman would have to come down to
the Howe to ask a new grant. There was no
propriety in inquiring as to the situation of the Prin•
cess of Wales. The Right Hon. Gentleman had
said;that he would stale nothing as Minister on Ilse
subject ; but the tihie was, when the Right Bon.
Gent. was pot only willing to give information to
every subject in the country, but had a book ready,
which was to have gene not only through the PubiTe
of this Country, but through all Europe: This
book the Right Honourable Gentleman bad since
purchased up and suppressed, for what reason he
knew not. Undoubtedly, as Counsel to her Royal.
Highness, be was in a situation the most natural to
be called upon for inforMation, though it was pos•
sible he might now remain mute, when he in-
tended to have had ten thousand tongues be-
tore. But the Princess of Wales was not only in-
ferior to the Queen in point of real income, but
the Queen had the advantage of being also en the
establishment with her Husband, The Print;e;ii
of Wales, on the contrary, was living in retirement,
at Blackheath, for as to separation, though he and
'others had used the word, the public knew nothing
more than that she lived in retirement ; and now
they knew that if ever matters came on a better
footing, a fresh grant of money would be demanded.
It had been said that they might go into the in-
quiry on the Civil List atter the 'giant was made ;
but making ties grant under such circumstances,
was patting with an advantage to which he coati
' not consent. I should concur with his Rtght