The Sun.
London, England, 1841-03-09 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

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COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
Mr. BRA MSTON begged to call the attention of
the Right Honourable Gentleman to the present state
of the Yeomanry Corps in the county af Essex.
In that county they had only one corps, which was
while in other counties several corps were maintained.
of Essex was 317,000 ;
supported by the contributions of the officers
eacenlrrds,mwaenhndo,
Now he wanted to know upon what principle, if there
he GovernmentG
Government
v Neitheror refusedncmo could
lnodet
was any one, this was arranied. The population
give anything towards the support of a yeomanry CO) ps,
yet they gave to Hertfordshire, a county with a much
smaller population, six corps, all of which were main-
es pa et
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dt e d
by etvheer yo
officers
tAined by the Government.—(Hear, hear.) The yeo-
so inspected them. He had a right, then, to say that
they say that they would not support them, because
tmhaenyrybaodf
beEesns7;ohlyadcobnneepnlimin
could easily send down the household troops.
That ar-
gument would apply to Hertfordshire, and even to the
county of Middlesex itself ; yet in the
county they kept up and paid two troops
theythe were
siatsuaetifiedciennetar
metropolitan
neigh-
bourhood of Uxbridge. in the
Mr. FOX MAULE said, that
which the Hon. Gentlemen as the subject to
hadalluded
that came more immediately under was one
department to which he belonged, the control of the
to answer as shortly as hecouldged, he thought it right
the observations of the
ar tnadtioYen . e tahnedr. .t

€.--Gentleman. In the year 1838, the yeomanry
ea try in this country presented a large force, which
it emed to the Goverieteat it would be expedient,
wi ieve to economy, to reduce. The Hoa. Gen-
tleman hal rather intimated that that reduction ap-
peared to have been male more from pal tiality in cer-
tain localities than upon any just principle. Now, if
that cause bad been apparent to Hon. Members at the
time the reduction was made, he thought that before
now some charge against the Government would have
been made in that House upon the subject. But this
was the first time that argument had been used or such
a charge bad been brought forward. The principle on
which the Government had acted was to save as much
as possible the pockets of the people. He thought
that was the best principle on which the Government
could act, because their assistance would be more
readily afforded by the people when it was necessary. to
call upon them to do so, Upon that princirrie it was
that his Noble Friend (Lord John Russell) _reduced
tie establishments of the yeomanry corps ; and when
he found, on referring to the service of the yeotemnry
cavalry, that many regiments had never bean e‘xlied
into active service at all, not doubting, or disparaOn
for a moment, the good intentions or loyalty of either
the officers or men, he certainly thought he was justified
in making such reduction. Such was the case in
the county of Eisex. A remonstrance was made

at the time, and very naturally, by these corps,
whom his Noble Friend thought it right to
reduce, and they were told, that if they
preferred serving, as many did, simply as
volunteers, without payment from the public Trea-
sury, and if the Lord Lieutenant of the
county recommended such establishment, no objection
would be made to retain the services of these corps.
The
.)comartry corps in Essex, among others, volun-
teered their services without payment, and for a year

that service went on ; but they, at the end of the year,
made a claim for payment, and were informed such
payment would not be made. Under these circum-
stances, he hardly thought the Hon. Gentleman had a
right to complain that the yeomanry cavalry in Essex
had been unfairly dealt with.
Mr. G OULBURN said, as he took part in thst
question of the reduction of the yeomanry, he would
call the recollection of the Hon. Member opposite

(Mr. F. Maule) to some of the facts that were on the
occasion of that reduction brought before the anent on
of the House. The Hon. Gentleman had stated that

at the period alluded no comp!aints were made of par-

t;aTity being shown in the selection of the corps for

reduCl:mi. -Ho (Mr. G.) wouli beg leave to call the
Hon. Gentleman's rec,,llection to cases in which it was

distinctly stated, whether justly or unjustly he would
not say, that partiality was displayed in the selection.
He (Mr. G.) remembered that a contrast was drawn
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between the yeomanry corps of Hungerrerd and that
of Waltham Abbey, in the county of Esiiex, which were
very differently commanded. He also recolcteil

case that was stated of the reduction of a corps is
Hertfordshire, which n as placed on the establishment alter
having been reduced. He merely stated these facts to
refresh the Hon. Gentleman's memory. With respcct
to the pa&culvr case of the Essex yeomanry, he st:11
thought it would have been a wise exercise of discretion
to have retained that corps on pay. It must bc recol-

lected that tlLat corps was referred to by
Lord Melbourne and the S.2cretary of State as neces-
sary to protect. the Ordnance property at Waltham%
Abbey. The Noble Lrlrk' thought it would have been
useful to retain that corps on pay for that purpose.
The Government, however, thoug•ht fit to reduce it.
lie (Mr. G.) still retained his opiaio;), that in the selec-
tion of the corps it woull have beau a wise otQre;.:,e of
discretion to retain on pay a corps so useful the Go-
vernment.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL wvive that COM.
plaints had been made whcii this corps was reduced, re-
spect;ng the necessity of defending tilt Ordnance stores.
He Lad consulted the Ordnance.cfßee on the subject,
and the reply was, that the services of the yeomanry
were rot needed for that purpose. No doubt various
compliints had been made of partiality when these
corps had been reduced, and those complaints had not
been confined to one side of the House, but had pro-
ceeded quite as much from his friends as from his oppo-
nents. It had been thought expedient to continue the
yeomanry in 1821, during the agricultural rict,7. They
had been reduced in 1330, and a s lying of 20,0001.
a year had been effected in consequence, but. there
were new a gtelter number of corps of yeomanry than
there had been wl en the Duke of I‘ri:ington quitted
office, and he did not think it adv;:.ahl! to increase tiern.
Sir 11. VIVIAN had nt,t, felt hini,cit justified in
recommending the conzinuance of yeomanry as a guard
fcr the Ordnance stores.
Mr. GOULBURN had not before uuderstaoci that
such had been the opinion of the Oidnanco authorities.
After a few words from Sir H. lIA.RDINGE the
subject dropped.

LORD CARDIGAN.

Oa the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair,
Mr. O'CONNELL rose to exp•e.s'his regret that
they had now arrived at that the list night for consider-
inc the Military Estimatev, without the attention or the
Howe having been directed to the conduct of Lord
Cardigan in-regard to his regiment. The public feel-
ing had been excited to such a pitch on the subject, that
l.ad it not been for the letter of the officer who
bad been dismissed, which he (Mr. O'Connell) consi-.
dcred placed that (Au t. out of the rtt'e of sympathy,
the House would have been compelled t 3 take the
sulject into their eoasideraton. He felt himself coded
upon to direct the attention of the House to the sub-
ject, because, on the occasion of the coutt•martial on
Major Wathen, he had animadverted on the conduct of
that court-martial ; not, of course, for having acquitted
Major Wathen, but for hav:ag censure I Lord Cardi-
gan, without having given him au opportunity of being
heard in his defence. He considered tlest was contrary •
to all rule; of jus!ice ; but the court-martial on Cap-
tain Reynolds appeared to him to have acted stillmore contrary to those rules, for, possessed of
unlimited power, they had sedulously excluded the
consideration of all those circumstances by which
his sentence might have been mitigated.—(hear.)
The nature of the sentence ought greatly to have de-
pended upon the provocation. If without provocation
he had violated the commands of his superior officer, nn
sentence could be too severe ; but on the other hard
they might suppose circumstances under which there
should be the lightest possible punishment. It was itn-
possile therefore, he though', to 'clef ad the conduct of
the court-menial. I.B'len they looked at thc concha( t of
the Hors.! Guards Choy would see it extending its pro-
tection and patronage to title and wealth,. so as it
was never extended to mere merit. The Islse !mprison-
meat of Captain Reynolds for three or four days bat
gone entirely unpunished. He did hope that some
person more influential than hints; f would move for an
inquiry into the whole of the circumstances. The Hon.
and Learned Gentleman then proceeded to refer to the
army anti navy estimates, and to the opinions of the
Hon. Member for Kilkenny with respect to the in-
crease as regards Canada. He (Mr. O'Connell) was
bound to express his firm conviction that in the origin
of the civil war in Canada the Government were entirely
in the wrong—that it was a provoked insurrection. In
his opinion it was greatly to he attributed to an un-
constitutional vote of the House, which violated first
principles, and was not rendered necessary by any pecu-
liar exigenci!,s. It \\ its indeed no palliation of the in-
surrection. The insurrection was worse than a crime,
it was folly, and it had been deserver lv crushed. They
had passed an Act of Union of the two colonies, but
that u:,ion was based upon injustice. But there was
another and more grievous crime comtnitt -d against
Lower (3.r.adzi. Lower Canada owed no debt, and yet
by the Act. of Union they had set.lel part of the debt
of Upper Canada upon Lower Canada. Then,
again, at what period, ho would ask, had this
union taken place? Why, at a time when Upper
Ca-
nada had her Parliament, but Lower Canada hadbeen
deprived of here. He (Mr. O'Connell) thotigit they
thought tey
had better he cau'ious h they acted, or theyow did might
not
repent what they had done. Of course, he
House of
knownow wl at was done in the ocher
nokingat the rewspapers
Parliament, but he found
"that that R:glit Rev. '
that the Bishop of Exeter--
the
grossest in.ury
J that
Pre-
late lad been made to suggestitaking away from Sr. Sul.
' could be ii,lltcted, na.maedYt
In fact, in that debate he
pica the property it
' saw that one of
greatest men in the country stated
t"
wool.] be according to the prine.
that such a spelt, r.l
pies of the l{,;t:orintal.on. Their conduct had been most;
nai not the slightest blotexemplay. upon
But they were to be robbed forsooth
t elr.here
their chorea
bad crio) this property 80 years. So lonTg ago
Di '63, by the suggestion of the British Ambassador
at Paris, paris, the French seminary of St. Sulpice made over
all their property to the Canadian seminary. I 17
in the Canadian Act, there was a doubtful ' n 75
phrase, bu;
it was a wise Act, made to conciliate the Catholic po-
pulation, and calculated to produce the most favourable
result,. In 1775 a general order was seat out, which
pointed distinctly to this property, being. in the pos-
session of the seminary.l,ywere he had enjoyed
ever since, and it was admittedymost
excellent landlords. The feudal tbeyenjoyed ,
were, however, vexatious, and their inconvenience had
been long felt. Tire
Seminar}, instead of standing
rigidly upon their rights,
far, and it offered to compromise them so
was at once accepted by
in-
terested in the property. An ordinance every person
was subsequently
passed, making them a corporation, so that as they had
a legal title the should be clothed with legal rights,
but as these w ere theirs bef6re incorporation the ordi-
nance did nothing for them. He utterly denied the
statement that they had not a legal t Tuey had
been in possession 80 years, and there could be no
better title. In default of deeds or an Act of Parlia.
merit, one or the other was to be presumed. But he
would not enter into that. Their equitable right was
admitted, and now that they had made a transfer of
• these rights they were to be turne:l roundupol, and
,
were to be told by a Bishop of the establishment that
because they were Catholics they were to be
robbed of their property and that another grievance was
to be inflicted upon the Cathol:es by this injustice. If
that were done let them prepare themselves for higher
estimates. This act of injustice would deservedly bring

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