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in proposing measures of great importance tes
the consideration of Parliament. Sir, I came( t
but take this opportunity of expressing my retv:ets
that the Speech was so framed as to be liable to a nue—
construction, to which, I am sure, the Noble Lord's.
of all men, would least desire that it should bet.
subjeet.—(Hear, hear.) I cannot but feel that thee
advice of the Government to consider great questions,.
in Parliament, coupled with the words in which the
Speech was couched, was calculated to lead
the public mind to an impression perfectly erroneous
and perfectly unconstitutional, had it been cor-
rect that these recommendations were the _re-
commendations of the Crotwn, and not the recommen-
dations of the Ministers, the constitutional advisers o f
the Crown. Sir, Ido not wish, as I said before, to revive •
any topics of irritating discussion upon the occasion.
I am satisfied that the Noble Lord having found it his
duty to yield to the decision of the House and of the
country, and having paid that homage to constitutional
principles which I trust every Minister of this country
will always be ready to pay to those principles, by re,4gn-
ing- office when he finds he no longer possesses the power
to cosy his measures with credit to himself or satis fee-
fion t, the country--I am satisfied that from that moir tent
every h:‘eling of excitement between the Noble Lord :sad
Hon. Gesulemen on this side, if any such had ever sex- -
isted, will cease—(Hear, hear)—and I am confidant
that towards him personally no other feelings a:m
entertained but those of respect for his character
and admiration of his talents.--(Loud cheers from bv; h
sides of the House.) And Igive the Noble Lord at the hea d
of the Government, who has had for some time the
delicate and important duty of advising, as the Noble
Lord has said, a young and dutiful Sore reign—l give him
and his colleagues full credit for having,in .the course of thei r
administration, adopted those measures only which they
believed would be for the welfare of the country. I give
them credit now that they have ceased to hold office
for a determination not to attempt to ,disturb those
who may be called upon to undertake the
business of the country by any factious opposition • and
I hope that while they steadily maintain in Parliament
those views in political matters which they a enscien-
tiously entertain, the Noble Lord and his colleag nes, in
whatever hands power may be placed, will beholc,' with
equal satisfaction the progress of, measures which may
redound to the welfare and prosperity of the people.
Lord J. RUSSELL—I can only say at present to at I
am sorry such a misconstruction should exist as that
which has been alluded to. lam quite ready to say :that
the Speech from the Throne was made by the Ministers,
and they alone are responsible for it.
The question that the House at its rising adjourn to
Monday next, was then put and agreed to.
On the question that the Lords' Commissioners' speech
be considered on next Monday,
Mr. S. WORTLEY begged to engage the attention
of the House for a few moments on something said by
the Noble Lord opposite, and under circumeteecvs
which he thought would form a justification for
him while he trespassed on their indulgence for a few
moments. He had no opportunity of doing so before, ties
House haring been engaged in an important discussion-,
which lasted four nights, and only terminated at -three:
o'clock on Saturday morning, when they were in expect-
ation of the important division that took place. The
Noble Lord had cast certain imputations on
him, which his respect for the House pre-
vented him from calling for an explanation of. On
Saturday the Noble Lord was not in his place, and the
present was the only opportunity he had of calling
on the Noble Lord to perform that duty..
The Noble Lord had in the first place misrepresented:
certain statements of his with respect to the. Corn-
laws ; but into that question he would not
at present enter, believing that he would have
other opportunities of so doing. But the Noble
Lord had also accused him of having gone
down to his constituents and raised the Poor-law
cry. The Noble Lord could know nothing personally
of the facts of the case. In the year 1837, when he
was engaged in a similar contest, proposals were made
to him by' certain parties to make the Poor-law a part
cry. It was stated that if he did so he would have st
great accession of supporters. With that suggestion he-
refused to comply, as there were many parts of the BilL
of which he decidedly approved ; and in consequence,
of that refusal he had four hundred votes less
than the Honourable Member for Preston.—(Hear.)
He maintained that the Noble Lord had no right to accuse
him of having raised the cry of the Poor-laws, in order
to turn out Lord Morpeth. Other parties on the opposite
side had not been innocent of raising similar cries. We
had seen the cry raised about the " big" and the "little'''.
loaf, and of " cheap bread," and he had been represented.
by these parties as the only obstacle to the starving arti-
sans' obtaining it.—(Cheers.)
Mr. ROEBUCK rose to order. He wished to ask if
the Hon. Gentleman was speaking to the question.
The SPEAKER said the question was, " that the
answer to the Lords Commissioners' Address be taken
into consideration on Monday next."—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. WORTLEY was about to proceed when -
Mr. ROEBUCK again rose to order, and said, in proof
of the Hon. Member being out of order, that it was dis-
orderly to refer to the proceeding debate.—(Hear.)
The SPEAKER said that the statement of the Hon.
Member for Bath (Mr. Roebuck) was correct, but that
it was always usual for the House to grant the indulgence
desired by the Hon. Member.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK said he did not complain of the
Hon. Member entering into an explanation. What he
complained of was that the Hon. Member, while defend-
ing himself, should snake attacks
_upon others.—(Hear.)___. _
Mr. WORTLEY said hkfiad not intended to make
any attack on the Hon. Member for Bath.
Mr. ROEBUCK—Oh, no! not on me.
Mr. WORTLEY proceeded—lt was only yesterday
he had seen a placard of an organ on the opposite side,.
announcing that " the Queen must consider herself a state
prisoner."—(Hear, and laughter.) He really thought that,
a party whose organs were guilty of circulating such
random assertions and rumours should be restrained from
venting their spleen against their political adversaries.
Lord J. RUSSELL said, he should be allowed to say
that what he stated was not founded on random asser-
tions or rumours, but on what he had seen in the accounts
of what the Honourable Gentleman was reported to
have said, especially in the address to the electors
of Yorkshire, signed J. Stuart Wortley. After
reading an extract from that address, the Noble
Lord went on say, that he thought the lion. Member.
had, mistook the gist of his (Lord J. Russell's) observa-
tions. He did not find fault with the Hon. Gentleman or
any other person for holding any opinions whatever with
respect to the Poor-law or for opposing Lord Morpeth on
the ground of his opinions on the Poor-law, but
what he (Lord John Russell) found fault with was
the lion. Gentleman stating strong opinions with
regard to the Poor-law' at the time of the elections, and
when in that House, so far from endeavouring to enforce
those opinions, seeking the first opportunity to place
others in power who were strong supporters of the
Poor-law. [The Noble Lord here read an extract from.
the address before-mentioned, in which the Hon. Mem-
ber condemned many portions of the Poor-law, and
stated that that law required much alteration at least ;
and that he (Mr. Wortley) would always approach the
subject, whether it be altered or repealed, with a deep
conviction of that first principle—dealing with tender-
ness to the poor.]—(Hear.) The Noble Lord then went
on to say that lie did not find fault with any Gentleman
for holding the opinions just adverted to, but he
said that when an Hon Member, holding those strong
opinions upon a law of that kind came forward to
bring the condition of the country before the House, he
ought not to reproach others for approving of that law,
and at the same time support those who also approved of
it.—(Hear' hear.) The Hon. Gentleman said, that other
persons had endeavoured to raise a cry of cheap bread—
and that a large loaf and a small loaf were carried about for
that purpose. He (LordJ. R.) hoped that those who did
so, acted on the belief that an alteration in the Corn-laws
would give them a larger loaf, and they would act con-
sistently
Corn-laws ; but if they
with their opinions if they proposed an
alteration in the
were to come to that House and remain
silent on the subject, then, indeed, he would say
they acted inconsistently with their opinions.—(Hear.)
Th. Hon. Gentleman had not convinced him (Lord J.
Russell) by his speech that he attached any great
the New Poor-law ; but they should
importance to
• subsequent speeches, whether, although
see in his
to consider it a matter of minor
he appeared • first
binclined fhe would e to press or any great
or for a final abandonment of, that measure.
egeinr's from the Lords brought up certain Bills
OATH OF SUPREMACY.
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Sir VALENTINE BLAKE, in postponing the motion
of which lie had given notice for leave to bring in a Bill
to exempt all Members of Parliament from the necessity
of taking the Oath of Supremacy as a qualification to sit
and vote in Parliament, in as full and as ample a man-
ner as persons professing the Roman Catholic reli-
gion are exempted ;" said that, although he postponed
that motion for the present., yet he 'thought he might
congratulate the House on the prospect that some such
measure would soon become the law of the land. He placed
the utmost confidence in the manly declarations of theßight
Hon. Member for Tamworth, but he feared that those
with whom he was associated would prevent the ;Right
Hon. Baronet from carrying his good intentions into
effect.
Mr. BROTHERTON and Dr. BowRING, under existing
circumstances, postponed the motions of which they had
given notice.
On the motion of Mr. J. Wood, the following gentle-
men were nominated as the Committe on Public Petitions.
Mr. George William Wood, Sir Edward Knatchbull,
Sir Robert Harry Inglis, Mr. Greene, Mr. Edward
Buller, Mr. Brotherton, Mr. Owen Stanley,
.Mr. Pusey,
Mr. . W. G. Howard, Mr. Villiers Stuart, Captain
Jones, Lord Viscount Duncan, Sir Charles Douglas,
Lord Fitzalan, and Mr. Buckley.
The House then adjourned.

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