The Sun.
London, England, 1840-02-07 00:00:00

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Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said that it was not neces-
sary for him to sty a sn%-tle word in reply, considering
that the House was so unanimous in the present vote.
If any doubt were thrown upon the policy of this great
undertaking, he, for one, should be prepared to defend
the course of policy that had been adopted.
Sir HENRY HARDINGE said that he had un-
derstood the Right Hon. Baronet, in the course of his
speech, to call General Sale a Brigadier-General ; now,
it must be remembered, that that gallant Officer led the
storming party, and he (Sir H. Hardinge) did not see
why his name should not be included in the vote of
thanks.—(Hear.)

Sir J. HOBHOUSE said that it was his intention
at first to have included the names of all the general
officers, but he was afraid that some mistake might
have been made in leaving out some of the names,
which might have created a feeling of jealousy ; and he
thought therefore that the best and safest course would
be to put in the names only of the first and second in
command.—(Hear, hear.) His own private opinion
was, that every general officer engaged in the action at
at Ghuznee ought to be mentioned if possible.
Sir H. HARDINGE thought that the name of
every general officer who was engaged at Ghuznee, and
within hearing of the firing that took place, aughtl to
have their names mentioned.

Sir J. HOBHOUSE said that no objection had
been made to the vote as at present proposed in the
House of Lords ; and he thought that there would be
great inconvenience in the House of Commons coming
to a vote different from that of the other House of
Parliament.

Sir H. HARDINGE could not but consider, if it
were consistent with the forms of the House, that the
names of all general officers should be mentioned.
Sir J. HOBHOUSE said, that the vote of thanks
was not only to the army at Ghuznee, but to the whole
army west of the Indus.

After a few observations from Sir H. Hardinge, Sir
J. Hobhousc, and Colonel Salwey,
Sir R. PEEL said, that he thought there would be
an awkwardness in that House coming to a different
conclusion from the House of Lords. He thought it
would be better that the House should agree to the
present vote; and then, if it were found necessary, an-
other vote of both Houses of Parliament might be
adopted, including the names of all the officers.

Sir H. HARDINGE acceded to this proposition,
and the resolutions were then agreed to.

SOCIALISM.

Lord ASHLEY said that perhaps it might save the
time of the House if, at the present moment, he put a
question to the Noble Lord the Secretary of State for
the Colonies. The question he wished to put WAS,
whether Mr. Pare, the Registrar-General of Births,
Deaths, and Marriages, at Birmingham, had ceased to
hold that office ?

Lord J. RUSSELL said that Mr. Pare had sent in
hisnd resignation
ed,
that
therefore,resignation to hold
the office—
(Hear, hadbeen acc epet.l
al,
(Hear, hear.)
Lord ASHLEY said that as Mr. Pare had
ceased to bold the office, it was not his in-
tention to press his motion with respect to
him, but he though if Mr. Pare was guilty the
Government ought A have dismissed him, and if inno-
cent they ought to have protected him by the whole force
of the Ministry.—(Hear, hear.) He begged to give
notice that it was his intention, at an early period, to
bring the whole subject of Socialism before the House.
Mr. WARBURTON rose amidst cries of " Chair,
chair." If he were out of order the Noble Lord oppo-
site was out of order also.—(Hear, and laughter.)
The SPEAKER begged to remind the Hon. Mem-
ber that there was no motion before the House.
Mr. WARBURTON—Then, Sir, I move the ad-
journment.--(Hear.) The Noble Lord opposite has
put a question and got an answer from. the Noble Lord,,
but not content with that he has taken the oppor-
tunity of making observations on Mr. Pare. He had
expected when the Noble Lord gave notice of the mo-
tion, that an opportunity would have been given to some
Hon. Members to state what they knew upon the sub-
ject, and it was his intention, at the present moment,
to state what had come to his knowledge with respect
to the character of Mr. Pare. The petition which had
been presented by Mr. Pare, with respect to his con-
duct, was already in the possession of Hon. Members.—
( Here considerable confusion took place, which pre-
vented the Hon. Member from proceeding for a few
minutes.) He was not to be put down by such inter-
ruptions. The character of an individual was at stake,
and such being the case, every opportunity ought to be
given for refuting the insinuations that had been cast
out, otherwise it would go forth to the world that Mr.
Pare had resigned his situation, and no observation had
been made as to the circumstances that took place to
cause it. He should therefore stand on his right to
make what observations he thought proper, but he
trusted he should not be interrupted.
The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Gentleman had
moved the adjournment of the House, but he thought
that that motion would not entitle him to enter into the
statement he seemed about doing.
Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN trusted that the House
under the circumstances, would allow his Hon. Friend
to make the statements he was about to do, consider-
ing the circumstances under which Mr. Pare had been
placed.
Lord ASHLEY wished to explain that he bad never
said anything against Mr. Pare.
Mr. WARBURTON--But the Noble Lord's ob-
servations, following the notice of a motion he had
given, had a tendency to leave it in doubt whether Mr.
Pare were guilty or not. So he should proceed.
Sir G. CLERK must then rise to order.—(Hear,
hear.) Surely it could not be competent for a
Member, on a motion for adjournment, to make a
speech on any subject—(Hear, bear)—particularly as
on this occasion his Noble Friend had given notice,
that he would shortly bring the whole subject of So-
cialism before the House.—(Hear.)
Mr. HUME said the Noble Lord had made a speech
—a short one, certainly—but a very important one not-
withstanding, it had the effect of a strong insinua-
tion against Mr. Pare.
Mr. GOULBURN said he thought a very impor-
tant point of order was now at stake.—(Hear, hear.)
He had no wish to prevent any explanation as to the
character of absent individuals,—(Hear, hear.) But
was it to be allowed as a precedent that a Member
might interrupt the business of the House at any period
by merely moving the adjournment, and then speaking
on any subject he chose?---(Hear, hear, hear.) Let
the Hon. Member give notice of his intention to bring
the subject forward._( Hear, hear.)
Mr. WARBURTON said he would not persist in
making his explanation now against the general feeling
of the House, as it might thereby only prejudice Mr.
Pare.—(Hear, bear.) He would give notice of his in-
tention to bring that question forward to-morrow.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he could not permit the
discussion to drop without stating, that it arose entirely
from an observation which had fallen from the Noble
Lord entirely out of order—(Hear, hear)—and as it
seemed to him (Lord J. Russell) quite unfounded and
unjust--as it raised the whole question of Mr. Pare's
guilt, and implied an inference which the Noble Lord
had no right to draw.
" NEW LIGHTS "_BUDS versus WAX.
Sir F. FRENCtI rose amidst some merriment to
move the restoration of the candle system of lighting
the House.*
Lord ELIOT suggested that it would be fairer to
give Mr. Gurney, the inventor of the Bude light, a
longer trial—(Hear)—and with that view recom-
mended a postponement.—(Hear.)
Mr. HUME said he was anxious to have the best
light possible at the least possible ineonvenience ; and,
as he wished this experiment to be fairly tried, he,
hoped the Hon. Gentleman would not press his mo-
tion. It was only on Christmas-day that Mr. Gurney
was informed :the experiment would be tried, and he
was therefore unable to perform it so satisfactorily as he
would otherwise have done. It had been at first objected
that there was too much glass, and Mr. Gurney had had
the glass ground to reduce it. He also hoped to suc-
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when, if adfter that
there should be any objection, he should havenothing more
to say upon the subject. He only wished Mr. Gurney
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to have a fair opportunity, and the light to have a fair
trial.
Mr. WARBURTON said he was sure the Gallant
Officer would wish that the experiment should be fairly
made, and he could have an opportunity at any time
of renewing his motion. For himself he highly ap-
proved of it—and as it was a subject which individually
concerned every Member of the House, he thought ,
there should be a larger attendance to decide upon it.
He should like to have the Speaker's opinion upon the
subject, which, he thought, would have great weight
in deciding the opinion of the House.
Sir R. H. INGLIS made an observation respecting
the darkness of the House when the Hon. Member
entered it at four o'clock.

Mr. WALLACE, amid cries of " Order," referred
to the extreme inconvenience strangers in the Gallery
suffered from the lustres the Gallant Officer so much
approved
of. It was impossible at present for the public
to give sufficient consideration to the proceedings of the
House, to make their attendance the means of improve-
ment, without an alteration of the principles adoptedi
for ventilating the House, which could be easily done.'
He had nothing further to add on the subject of th
lights, than that he Lad found them very convenient.
Sir THOMAS FREMANTLE said the subje ct
As this is a subject on which the duty we have to perform
compels us to feel some interest, we cannot refrain from throw-
ing in this parenthetical observation, that we could not too
strongly express the superiority which, in our opinion, the
Bad ade light pos*stes over the chandelier plan—the calm, chas-
te, subdued—yet pure and splendid light which the former
sheds, being a grateful relief from the glaring, eye-offending.,,
sight-destroying, view-obstructing,beam-bewildering anno:t,`°
ante of some hundreds of candles burning in a dozen differ
directions, all over the House.