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THE SUN, LONDON, THUR§DA Y. JUNE 3, EB4l.

(7rp:;.ehoetnsiotnheon
dtolc-R;pnearntts.of having;:bei iulintLei
with one of those gentlemen, and- he could
answer for him, that he had no wish to offer any op-
position to au Order of the House. They merely
Wished to know by whom thej expense WaS to be paid.
Nevertheless, the llouse had always held that when' an
order was made it rata be complied with without hesi-
tutlon—(llear)—aA by the 2d Wm. IV., ch. 45, it was
provided that all expenses incurred by • the Clerk-of the
Peace should be deft ityed by the Treasurer of the county.
There could be no doubt, therefore, on the subject, and
he could not account for what' had taken platT unless
there had been .some mistake with regard to it.
Mr. ALSTON said that. the expenses j`here :un-
doubtedly to be paid by the county, and consequently
sts.le ereobilMagistratesgoiit
ohad no choicegivenn
order
in the
upon matter. " They
the:
the payment of any expenses which the tlepublicationtasr
Of
the lists might cause. He hoped that the House would
again issue a direct order on the....t;ilbjeet, so that the
lists might be produced forthwith. - • -
Mr. C..WYNN said that it appeared .perfectly clear
to him, from the words of the Act, that it was the duty
of the Clerk of the Pmce, in the first instance, to provide
tin- the production of the-lists. It was afters- vards fOr
the county to pay the expenses, and he.did not think the
Magistrates could interfere upon that subject. He ap-
prehended that the Court of Queen's Botch would issue
a I-nand:units for such payment, if applied to.
Sir E. SU GDEN said that, according to the provisions
of the. Act of Parliament, the Sheriff had -nothing what-
ever to do with the matter.- It was undoubtedly the
duty of the Clerk of the Peace to take. care that the lists
should be forthcoming.
Mr. I)UNCOMBF then moved that the Clerk of the
Peace tin- the county of Hertford be called to the bar of j
'the House On Monday next unless the register be fur-
nished to the House in the mean time.
Doctor LUSHINGTON said he would not have
risen if it had not been. for an observation which had
fallen from his lion. Friend (Sir E. Sugden) who had
not expressed himself with his usual perspicuity. He
(1)r. Lushington) contended that when a return was
ordered by that House, if addressed to a public officer, it
was his bounden duty to make the return instanter ; he
had no right. to make frivolous excuses.
Sir E. SUGDEN said the Hon. Gentlemen had enj-
tirely misunderstood him. What he had stated was,
that there were provisions in the Act of Parliament
which provided for the payment, but that those provi-
sions did not meet this particular case.
The motion was then agreed to.
Mr. AGLIUNBY begged to ask whether it was the
intention of her Majesty's Ministers..to carry through
the House during the present Session a measure, re-
specting which there was a great deal of anxiety out of
doors—he meant the Administration of Justice (No. 1.)
Bill? •

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL could assure the Hon.
Member that it was the wish and the intention of the
Government to carry the measure through during the
present Session. The delay had arisen from an obstacle
interposed by his Right Hon. Friend, the Member for
Ripon, respecting the fees of the Accountant-General;
but he hoped to see it pass through the House very shortly.
WANT OF CONFIDENCE- IN MINISTERS.
ADJOURNED DEBATE.
_ _

The Order of the Day-. for resuming the attourned
debate having been read,
Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD said when the Right Hon.
Baronet the Member for Pembroke • closed his speech
and the debate on Friday night he felt no small astonish-
ment at the indignation conveyed in it, and the spirit in
which it was expressed against his former colleagues.
From the first sentence of the speech, in which the
Right Hon. Baronet tendered his ironical congratulation
to the Noble Lord the Secretary for Ireland that he was
able to speak with complacency of some of the acts of a
Government then in its last extremity—from that mo-
ment down to its close, where piety came to his aid,
and when in the forum of a prayer he blessed God that
the reign of the present Government was about to termi-
nate, through all his varities of 'lnvective he confessed it
appeared to him a specimen of political animosity with-
out precedent in the annals of party . warfare in that
liouse.—(Loud, cheers.) Fortunately, .however,
,for
mankindf there was. a tendency, in any great'
hostility to overleap itself—the 'steadiness of aim was not
always in proportion to the wish of the marksman, anti
the sting which is animated by the most vile venom .often
carried its deadly stroke beyond its destined victim.
—(Hear, hear.) Such happily would be the result
of the Right lion. Baronet's attack upon those who
shared with him the excitement and danger of a scene
not less critical than that they were now passing through.
—(Hear.) .The Right Hon. Gentleman's charge stripped
of its burning brands, its figures, and phantasies, and its
metaphors taken from the gambling-table—the Right Hon.
Gentleman's charge seemed to him to amount to this,
that the Ministers had carried their principal • mea-
sures with the consent and concurrence of their po-
litical opponents, and that they had not been able
to carry certain other measures which they had con-
sidered of importance. The Right Honourable Ba-
ronet had complained of the Noble Lord the Secretary
for Ireland, because he alleged that the Noble Ls)rci had
endeavoured to confine the attention of the HintSe solely
to the consideration of the financial part of the •question,
and the Right Honourable Baronet expressed -this
wish to go back to the consideration of the events of
'former years. He would admit the perfect right of the
Right Hon. Baronet to do so, but at the same time lw
(Mr. Sergeant Talfourd) must say that he wished the
Right Baronet would carry his retrospective view a little
farther back—(Cheers)—to those times and transactions
which he was quite certain the Right Hon. Baronet could
not have forgotten, because he was sure he had
never forgiven.—(Loud cheers.) It might be very well
fur many of those Hon. Members who then surrounded
the Right Hon. Baronet, to cast back a fond, a longing,
and a lingering look to the palmy days of Tory
domination, before the Right Honourable Baronet
himself had assisted in laying prostrate the pil-
lars of its strength.—(" Hear," and cheers.) It was
well for them to consider triumphant majorities
necessary to success,--it was well for them -to sigh for
a return of those high and palmy days, when every
measure for the imposition of a new tax, for the laying.
a fresh burden on the energies of the people for the
carrying on a war was sure to command a triumphant
majority—(Cheers)--when every attempt to raise a
barrier against their incroachments on the liberties of
the people seemed only to give them fresh energies for
new inroads on popular privileges. But time Right lion.
Baronet, who boasted that he had been educated in
the school of Fox, and was a follower of that great man,
could not, surely, wish to revert to such times as those.—
(Cheers.) What would be the feelings of Mr. Fox, if
he could now enter the House, and see where the Right
Hon. Baronet was seated, by whom he was surrounded,
and could hear the sentiments which he had uttered ?
Although his benign nature might not permit him to
term the Right Ron. Baronet, "a recreant Whig"—
(Loud cheers and laughter)—yet he would look with
as much astonishment at the principles to which he had
given utterance in his speech, as he would at the situa-
tion he occupied, or the friends by whom he was
surrounded.—(Loud cheers.)' That great statesman
would have taught him- that majorities were not always
truth—(Cheers)—that might was not always right—
(Cheers)— and that it was advisable frequently to bring
forward good principles, without any immediate hope of
carrying them into effect.—(Cheers from the Opposition.)
W hen the Right Honourable Baronet, in the. great
struggle of 1831 and 1832, lent his assistance
in laying prostrate the pillars of rottenness and
corruption, it became a great question as to whom the ad-
ministration of our gloriously-renovated Constitution
should be confides, whether to those who had
fought and struggled against the glorious measures,
or to those who had upheld it.—(Hear, hear.)
Lightly and wisely had, in his opinion, the administra-
tion of that great measure been committed, not . to its
enemies, but to its friends; but in what position did they
then stainl ? In the position which that organic change
naturally produced, desirous by their labours gradually to
extend the benefits that flowed from it, they were lin-
able to satisfy their followers, flashed with victory, and
tiny were met with distrust from time party opposed to
them. They could ,never hope to maintain, alter the
first flush of victory, the saute impetus which supplied
them with a majority and enabled them to triumph. It then
hecarne obvious that party and Governments must look
for new elements of strength to those who stood between
extreme parties to carry out principles liberal in feelings,
and they should necessarily so form their nteasures as
to be supported by one section in some, and by
another section in other measures.- He confessed
that it seemed to him since that time the duties
and obligations, with the resources of power, were
changed. If 'that were not so, time consequence must
be that the administration of this great country
could never be committed but to one or two ex-
treme parties, and if • so time Right Honourable
Barlyet time Member for Tamworth,. would have
quite as: much reason to regret the principle
as those who sat on the Ministerial side of the
House. The Right Honourable Baronet • might
be certain, if he now succeeded, the tune would
not be long before he would have to ask the aid of the •
present Ministry against the demands'. of his own
Orange supporters, and against the claims of his
Chartist admirers ; and he (Mr. Sergeant Talfourd)
trusted support- would
be as readily rendered
to ered to the present 'Go-
,c would not be so often reminded of
it. ,
vas d
'l`hey Ind been
ted by the Right Ron.
Baronet
with the' support he had g iven on several great ,occa-
sions to her Majesty's Government. He (Sergeant
Talfourd) admitted that that support had been nobly and
frankly given; but at the sumetime.he should say on be-
(sergeant Talfourd), aim humble Mem-
ber of the Government, they had a perfect right to cal-
culate on that aid. The Right Honourable Baronet had
referred to time course which lie. took on the privilege
(Sir IL.Peel) and front the Government. - The
support of her Majesty's Govern-
(bleute-sotfi()till'iewibleonulsiee, had had time misfortune to differ both
he
'uld claim any great merit for that.
filiigmhtbilnflonottrable Baronet said that on that occasion
it was • strange to
great thing: the Light
Gname:nytthioeyi
Gentleman
nee a
should
That Gentleman wits deeply interested in the privileges
measures .brought
Government had been passed
of that House, and he would have been disgraced in his
own estimation for ever, unless he had taken the course be
part of time Bight non, nftrOno,s
111;(1,1neirbee rwfaso r in broke's) speech, in which he had
stated that many of the
by those vbvyho the
etrusted the Government ; what was
that, lie would ask, but saying that iw did nut regard
the measures with distrust, but that he would not sup-
port the Ministers beeause they had so often agreed with
them ? If the GovernMent were to consult the public
good, they most bring forward such measures as
would receive the support of the -various
parties in the
country. If the object of the Government was what be
referred to they must now take the course which lie was
sure the Right Hon. Baronet would take if he came into
to introduce
'office, 'namely, thosemeasures that
would receive the sanction of the country awl both
sides,of the House. But the, Might lion. is
aronet bad

said that various measures hail been brought forward
• and failed, becahse they had not received the assistance
of that side of the House ; and as a proof of that
he lad. instanced the question of Church rates. New
' ith Jespect to that he would say that if the Go-
vernment had been disposed to seek safety merely,
they would have abstained from agitating that
question, and if they had been disposed to seek the
good opinion of the Dissenters, they would have done
all in their „ power to uphold that for which they
eontendeda principle to which he could not accede—
namely, that those who were not connected with the
Church ought not to contribute to its support. Believim,
as he did, that the .Established Church of this country
existed for the good of all those who desired to seen
piety and virtue, and believing that in the-scattered fabrics
of the Church were disseminated principles that directed
heavenward ; with that feeling, therefore, and feeling; as
be did, that Unit which was the subject of national duty
should be the subject of an honest charge ; he, at the
same time, thought that it was just, if possible, to
place the law upon a broader footing and founda-
tion, and to remove those stumbling blocks which
it offered to Conscientious minds.—(hear.) That at-
tempt had hitherto failed. but he (Sergeant Talfourd)
took leave to say that in his humble judgment one gene-
rous attempt to level the obstacle to universal brother- I
hood, one generous wish of this discussion would
fructify in the national mind mire than a.
thousand fierce expresSions of .revenge or hatred, or a
thousand acts of coercion. The Right lion. Baronet then,
after a little episode, adverted to Nottingham, and with
somewhat premature prophecy attacked the Right Hon.
Baronet the President of the • Board of Trade 'on
some, supposed taunt or annoyance , he was to have
received there. He (Sergeant
,Talfourd), would have
thought that . the Right Honourable Baronet's early
lessons would have induced him to withhold such taunts,
and if not that he would have himself remembered
his own journey from .Cumberland to Pembroke.—
(Cheers.) The Right Honourable Baronet then ad-
verted to Ireland; and mentioned a name which he
(Seagettet 'Talfourd) would venture to say if—
alien the Right, Honourable Baronet should enter
Upon - his 'triumphant course of administration—it
was breathed through his ear Would strike as cold
upon his heart as those tittered by the slave
to the Roman Emperor, when he reminded him of his
mortality. They had not failed in giving a fair, equal,
and mild administration of justice to Ireland—they hail
not -failed in taming the pride of their aggressors.
but they had failed in endeavouring to give the whole
country the equality of rights to which by nature they were
entitled, and which every principle of policy and right
should have induced them to yield. But which
form of Government would the Irish prefer ? • The
abortive wish and strong desire to do them justice, or
the determination- still to oppress and crush them ?
The Right Hon. Baronet should have recollected that
his party supported the Poor-law Bill, and that he him-
self was linked in sentiment a ith those who had stood
by it. The settlement of the subject had no doubt been
removed, but that arose from those party distractions which
so often interfered with. the business of the country. But
so far as lie (Sergeant Talfourd) was aware, the Right
Hon. Baronet had made no suggestion for its improve-
ment, although, when the debate commenced, the Right '
lion. Gentleman had thought fit to taunt the Government
with the matter of the Poor-law Amendment Act. And
why ? Merely because it was a fearful weapon—merely
because it was a subject on which the rich and the poor had
unhappily been set against each other, and be-
cause it was a measure which applied itself to
those inevitable sufferings to which humanity was
subject.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet
said that the intended ameliorations had not been in-
troduced ; but he (Sergeant Talfourd) looked in vain
for any clause propokd in the Act by the Right
Honourable Baronet. He complained that the subject
of medical relief had not been treated in the Bill. N-ow
lie (Mr. Sergeant. Talfourd) had been for three
years in correspondence with the great medical insti-
tutions which were spread throughout the country,
upon this subject; clauses had been prepared, and were
now placed on the Votes of the-House. What might be
the decision of the Government with regard to them, it
was not for him to anticipate, but, he would venture to
say that lie had never heard the name of the Right Hon..
Baronet adduced- as a weli wisher. of that cause.—(llea,)
However, bad things sometimes brought forward good
ones ; and he trusted, that, after the present debate, he
should have the support of the Right Hon.. Gentleman.
The Right Hon. Bart. then said that there was one measure
which was all their own, and that was Posts office reform.
which he wished them joy of. • Yes, the 'post-office was
all their own.—(Loud cheers.) It had been theirs to
take off the tax upon the intercourse of mankind—
it had been theirs to add to the communication of
heart with heart and mind with mind, and it had
been theirs 'to give the poor the benefit of one
of the most valuable contrivances of modern times.
The Right lion. Gentleman might be assured he would
neither induce the people to reject the boon, nor would he
avert the blessing. There was one other measure to
which the Right lion. Baronet had not alluded, but to
which he (Sergeant Talfourd) would refer, he meant
that great measure of legal reform, the measure
'for the abolition of arrest for debt. For that re-
form they were indebted to her Majesty's Attorney-
General, and as that Right Honourable Gentleman
was not present, he would say that whether he now re-
tired from his laborious, painful, and invidious
duties, or remained in office, he would carry with
Rini the consciousness, like his illustrious predecessors
Lord Abinger and Lord Lyndhurst, the conso-
lation of having mildly and wisely wielded the
power of the. Crow ; • and the best proof of his
judgment was shown in the verdicts of the ju-
ries, and the tranquillity that followed those ver-
dicts ; and he would have the more enduring satisfaction
of having narrowed the limits within which misfortune
was mixed up with crime, and with having struck
another blow at the severity of the criminal code.
When the Right Hon. Bart. adverted to the reform of the
law, he omitted to advert to the supervision ofcriminal sen-
tences in which his Right Hon. Friend had evinced a
care and sagacity that had never been surpassed.
What were the circumstances in which the country was
placed ? There was a great deficiency in the revenue—
how created was not material to the present inquiry.—
(Opposition cheers.) But it' he were asked he would tell
them—he would tell them that it was not the growth of
the last year or two, but of a long series of Tory domi-
nation and misrule, ,when the industry of the country
for generations yet unborn was taxed, with the vain hope
of putting down liberty.—(Continued cheers.) He could
not understand the doctrine of the Right Hon. Gentleman
the Member for Cambridge, who said he would remedy
the evil by letting things alone. That position had no
parallel, unless it were in the saying of Sir Abel Handy
in the comedy, who, when the house was on fire, and
none of his inventions were at hand to quench it, started
up and said, "I've hit it, Bob; perhaps it'll go out by
itself."—(Laughter.) It might be that her Majesty's
Ministers had not proposed the wisest course, but were
they to affirm his proposition in the dark? Were they
to be prepared to withdraw confidence from. the present
Government; and to refuse it to the Right Hon. Baronet,
without knowing anything more than that he would give
his careful attention to the subject? The Right Hon.
Baronet complained that the Government were about to
dissolve Parliament in a period of excitement. In his
(Sergeant Talfourd's) opinion, that was the proper time.
The feelings of the people must be awakened and
aroused beftire they would come to a decision,
He contended that the Government were right in the
course which they proposed to take—of appealing to the
people. ' It was not a constitutional doctrine that Mi-
nisters should resign if they had not the confidence- of
the House, hut that they should resign if they had not
the confidence of the people of England, At the toe-
elusion of his speech the Right Hon, Baronet had
spoken of the 300 burning brands sent by Sampson
amongst the standing corn. He (Sergeant Talfourd)
would restore, that simile to its proper owner. The oc-
casion when that simile was first used was the second
reading of the Reform Bill, and the charge was ftddrosSed
by the Right Zion. Baronet (sit' Peel) to the Right
I lon. Baronet himself. The Hon, and Learned Gentle-
man then read a quotation from the speech in question.
He would ask the eloquent speaker of those words, who
he doubted not had honestly entertained those feat'swi
he had nobly expressed them, whether thost NT$ had
been realised?-'-(Cheers,) That Ministry had not, at had
been prophesied, died then ; they had liVed on for three
years, blessed by the presence of the Right Hon, Baronet
the Member for l'embroke—(Cheers)—and substantially
speaking they had existed up to the .present hour,—
(Cheers.) A majority of one alone had affirmed the
principle of the great measure of Reform, That Parlia-
ment had been dissolved, an appeal had been made to
the country—that majority of one had become a ma-
jority of 137 and the second Charter of our liberties had
become the law of the land.—(Loud cheers,) The Right
lion. Baronet the Member of Tamworth had said that
the pillars of the Constitution would be thrown down by
it. Had they been so ?—(Cheers.) The noblest an-
swer which. could be given to that question would be
to point to the Gentlemen who now surrounded the
Right lion, Baronet, and to the vote which he was now
seeking to carry against the Government.—(Loud
cheers.) Were they not justified in presuming that the
fears now expressed would be as groundless ? And
• why ? Because the real Conservatism of England was
not that which was ranged around party banners, It
was to be found in the million of British lanaas ; It was
' to be foUnd in the religion of the people, whether Church-
inen or Dissenters ; it was to be found in the progress of
knowledge, which made every Englishman feel that he
had a share in every triumph of freedom.—(Cheers.)
lhat was the true Conservatism, which no (Mash of party
could shake, no convulsion destroy, He did not
know what might be the result of [hat division. He
(lid not know what might be the result of an
appeal to the people ; but he felt assured that when
the heats and animosities of he present time
should have 'passed away—when the actors in
these scenes should have gone to their repose—when
even the resentments of the Right Holt, Baronet
should have been stifled—(-4M efieers),,when, with
undazgled eyes, they should look back upon the present
administration of the Government of this country, with
perceptions
unblinded by party animosities, with feelings
unenveponleu
recollections of 'T•lelidsitip and
deserted friends,,(Pheers)—they would do justice to
these whp had proposed these vast measures, and as their
object in proposing them was to advance the happiness
of the world, so they might safely appeal to poste, as
their arbiter.—(The 14earn0 tie ,
pgpp.l4 1, smt dOwn 'amidst
loud cheers.)
Ir.
HODGSON HINDE said the speech of the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman was a proof of the vast impor
w
ta, attached to the speech of the Right Wo. Barone' t
by Oengemen opposite, What he (Mr. H. Hinde)
feared racist in the present Government was, the tineer-
tainty that existed as to how far they intended to WI in
'
the measures they advanced, If the Noble Lora 'would
state "so far will I go mid no farther," even if the Inca,
„Iwo introduced by the Noble Lord were of an extivme
nature, there would not be sQ much gTowA lot: wiPe-
hosion ; but the Noble Lord went beyond even his
declarations, lie (14 liinde) did not accuse the pre-

sent Government, either as a body! or individually, of
any intention of acting.contrary to the. lnteresta of the
country' ,; but this be must say, that it was,essentially
Governieerit of easy virtue—(Laughter)--and he con-
ceived his day to vote in favour of the night lion.
;ootion.

• Mr. G 1 I,LON ‘vas unwilling that so interesting a de-
bate sli,s :Joule to a termination without saying a few
words ss 1,, the motion of the Right Hon. Baronet, and
as to the vote which he was about to give on that mo-
tion. The motion of the Right Hon. Baronet: was
avowedly for the purpose of compelling her Alajesty's
Government to resign before they had put thiseotintry
fully in possession of the measures which they proposeti.
Anxious as the Hon. Members on the other side were
for office, and unscrupuloui as were the efforts they had
made at late elections to obtain a majority in that
House, he believed they were by no means' anxious to
meet their constituents at a general election.—(H.ear.)
It appeard to him that there was nothing short of gross
hypocrisy in the pretences by which they opposed the po-
!lcy of the Government in the presentcase. Many among the
most strenuous of the opponents of these measures were
well known to be connected with the most gigantic mo-
nopolies of this country, and to have fattened And en-
riched themselves upon the miseries of their fellow-
creatures. Having lent his aid to the present Govern-
ment in carrying out the measure of Reform, and haying
on that occasion bearded the faction in its stronghold,
he felt much pleasure in now fending his assistance in
inflicting another blow upon the same party under the
guise of monopolists.—(Hear, hear.) The other side of
the House had on all occasions shown themselves the
strenuous opponents of all measures of reform and int..
provement, and it was not to be supposed that they would
permit measures which were based upon the great and
incontrovertible principles of free trade and of equal
justice to all classes, to pass without a struggle. He was
rejoiced to find that the Ministers, in whom he for one
placed the utmost confidence, had had the manliness, the
honesty, and the courage, to come forward with the present
proposition. He wonld not go into these measures in detail,
but with regard to corn, he would say that he had al-
ways been an advocate of a fixed duty, as being calcu- '
lated to put an end to gambling and speculation; and if
that measure stood alone, it should have his full concur-
rence and hearty support. Ile thought these measures,
important as they were, would be incomplete without
that for which he had always battled—namely, a pro,
petty tax, which would meet the exigencies of the State,_
without adding to the burdens of the humbler classes.
The agriculturist, the manufacturer, and the merchant,
all contributed their fair proportion- to the expenses of •
the State, and it was most unjust that the great monied
interest should escape almost untaxed. Let not Hon.
Members on the other side of the House " lay the flat-
tering unction to their souls," that even if they had a
majority on the present motion, which he entertained
considerable doubts about, that it would drive Ministers
either to resign or to dissolve ParliaMent, before they had
laid their measures fully before the country.—(Cheers.)
On every sound principle of political economy, he felt
himself bound to give his support to the present Govern-
ment. They had abolished the pension-list, that disgrace
to the country; anti although the questions of the hallo%
and the extension of the suffrage,—measures which he
had much at heart—were not'yet entertained by the pre-
sent Government, he preferred the course which they
took upon these questions, • to the open and undisguised
hostility with which these and every boon to the people
were met. by lion. Members on the other side of the
House. He never gave a vote with greater satisfaction
in his life, and he would fearlessly claim a renewal of
the votes of his constituents, on the ground that he had
supported these Ministers. for their advocacy of liberal
principles, and their determination to do justice all classes
of her Majesty's subjects.—(Cheers.)
Mr. 3. GRATTAN, although differing on many
points froM the Hon. Member who had just sat down,
would not yield to him in his anxiety to render his best
support to the present Government. y Looking at their
policy, both at home and abroad, and more especially
looking at their policy with regard to Ireland, it ap-
peared to him that they were entitled to a vote of thanks
from the House, instead of a vote of want of confidence.
—(Hear, hear.) Since the. present Ministry had conic
into :pover in 1831, Ireland had made rapid
strides in the course' of improvement and regeneration.
"Capital was now freely- embarked in that 'country, and
her resources Were rapidly developing. • With regard ts
the Bs. fixed duty upon corn, it appeared to him that
it would inflict great injury upon the agricultural in-
terests of Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) He gave his candid
opinion upon the subject. By a fixed duty they would
change their markets altogether, and throughout the
Continent they would have a supply which would be
regular and steady in proportion to the demand, and
the result would be, that the whole of the trade now
carried on with Ireland would be transferred to the
agriculturists of the Continent. He regretted to be
obliged to differ from the present Government, for it
was the first time lie had done so fiir the last twenty
years; but he was anxious to give his candid opinion to
the House. He thought it was an attempt, though an
idle and a vain one, on the part of the manufacturers, to
raise themselves at the expense of the agricultural in-
terests. They would be lamentably disappointed in
their expectations, for, in his opinion, they would pull
down the agricultural interest without bettering their
own condition. It was from a conviction of the utility
of the general principles of the Government, that he
would, on the present occasion, give them his support.
Lord C. HAMILTON was surprised that the Hon.
Gentleman who had just sat down should declare his
intention of supporting the Government after hav-
ing opposed them in one Of their main measures
—a measure which was introduced with a view to
their own interest, and not to the interest of the country.
With respect to the analogy which was said to exist be-
tween the position of Mr. Pitt's
.Administration in 1;84
and that of the present Government, there was one great
distinction which could not be overlooked, and that. was.
that while the majorities against Mr. Pitt's Government
had gradually decreased the majorities obtained against
the present Ministry had gone on increasing. In NM
' a compact alliance was entered into—tt coalition opposis
thin was formed for the sole purpose of putting the
Bight Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth and his
colleagues out of office, and the instant any measure of
essential importance to the country was -obstructed, in
consequence of that opposition the Right Hon, Gentle-
man gave up the administration of aftitirs. But Rooli
was not the case with the present Government ; no com-
pact alliance—no coalition opposition had been formed
against them. The ease against them was even still
stronger. They all recollected that the cause of the
dissolution of the last Parliament was the demise of the.
late Sovereign, whereby her present Majesty wai
to rule over the destinies of this empire, it could not
but be in the recollection of the House. the use which was
made at the elections of her Majesty's name. In Ire-
land, in particular, her Majesty's name was assoc:;?,',,,st
with the names of the candidates professing *opinions
of Honourable Gentlemen on the other Side of the House.
Her Majesty had been indutted to write a letter to
Lord Mulgrave, approving of his admioisgastion
in Ireland; the measure was a strong one; however, it
was done, and they could apt but remember the use
which was made of that letter.' The cry at the elections
was, " read the Queen's letter, and vote for Grattan ;ui
Howard." Sach were the peculiar circumstanem
which the present Parliament was called together. How
different then was the condupt of the present Ministry
from that
.pursncd lay the Right Hon. Baronet, when
he found himself unable to carry on his Administration.,
How came it that the Government should now pia tiv,:ir
existence to their proposition respc,3tijkg
when during the six )-eared tatty wero In office, they had
refused even to entertain the question? As the Govern-
inefft WON cunfnssedly unable to carry out measures
which they deemed of great importance, he thought ise
all constitutional grounds they ought to resi n their offi-
ces. He conceived that those who tslie.oted" to the par-
ticular Measures of the QffernMent, and yet gave them
their support PA tllia tiuMsion, would do them little go ,t 4
by aught An exhibition ofinconsistency. The cries c e.lAssls
bread, and cheap sugar, were undoubtedly tases•t e4Alou-
lating cries, but. he hoped it' they were. ttii hue made the
cry Of the Government, a `pia o the Noble Lord (Lord
J. Russell) would he wipigAted to them, which was made
solnO mr4 seem, and in Which the Noble Lord said such
altergtiqns in the law as that now proposed w:0,41
divert property into another channel.—(kle,ar, hear.)
Last year the Chancellor of the Fsvisequer told them
they must meet the then deo,civAey with boldness, and
in such case he had no doubt it would be supplied; and
in the pre§ont year that deficiency having increased,
Lehi thorn the same thing. it was impossible tis mat to
the calculations of the present Goveropastas, He coo_
ceived that with respect to othisr e.olottries their conduct
dims of confidence.ft`
had also shown them to hq-
charges in ;hp eckurtio of the debate had been turret
-en YA out
4g4.1u4 his, one was, that their es were re-
dolent of Hansard. He had no doubt ritn.
men would object to that., kr. ljtAnsgxat
la to
ei
r in-
resent ovornment, without they
consistency. The ;lest chtsrge 1%4, that
overthrow the en.o..u.s tin
lion a€ the prlnciplos on which they themselvesaexP'
carry on the Government; but it was not wssialki
usUM css. swees-
sary that an• Opposition should express their views on
these subjects more ex licitly tiPtt ithey had done. On
these grounds he -should
of
the wi,„ „o sec his support to the mot,,ai
sir.
14 -1141-Onet the •Mbmher for Ts.iuw,a-th.
-A,UNTON said, as the It'ol • l3' Pi
1,..t it on. aron the Member for Pembroke
hatt ic-kopted ditfi-i.ent
course from the Right H h .or ...at-worch with
- ect
resp to alluding to f ; -oxe.on affuirx trusted lie
should be eXOnae4 for Wm. 't. • •
• • 4 very briefly to Mare.
the MISOu why he differed from the vievy eAtter-
tained tin the subject by the Right IlonouraWe Baronet.
The Right Hon. Baronet had observed that the war with
China was a great calamity, I`,ey he (Sir G, Staunton)
considered avy war ts pool! calamity, but the greatest of
all evils woltl4 he 11n unwillingness tail the part of the
GoTeCnnr-14 Ogle country to reillteßs its wrongs. The
Right Hon. Baronet had quoted the opinion of Napoleon
against the (11wmatient ; but the opinion of Napoleon
(141 not, in his belief, possess much value in eop,i4.4.ltion
with China.—(Hear, hear.) Napoleon 11,145, in truth,
much more a warrior than a Witssa- man, and that was
proved by the termirtatio,n ol'his career in exile. But hy,
Would (mote against the opinion of the French El.iii.!,,ror
that of ik higher authority, as would be adniiked by nom
Members on both sides of the 8eiV.;,,,---he would quote
the authority of the Duke of Wellington, theconquerqp
of Napoleon, whe, 4i.tort that he considered the
just and neeessary. The results of the war
wav h
China
had certainly disappointed the expectations of many—it
cli 'QUA,
• ,
had, in some measure, distillh ioed his own expectati
though lie could net ceel m c surprised upon the sub-
ject.—(" Atear,'" from the Oppostisaf, Rencases.)
1-40. Gentlemen would do him tlw.itits.ttee to remember
that he had before stated that he h d.f d eare the strupsie
could be protraetod,
though lie had no donht as to our
ultimateEiieo43§st A, NAP enemies The twth W4lO titt t
ten rac• dby the divisions among us, and it las to
that
Irotruction of the war might in
01.cm-or:ince that
d Iliadparties in this country lig*
some degree ho tracT
ofrenewal f
a ()stilt-
tieited upon the subject, instead
s, we might now witness their fin tleq*nation. At
all events, he did not see anythintg, to blame in the c 01,,„
• duct of Ministers, and hC fic4 satolsfit4 that OA interests