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an opening to maintain our character in the eyes of the world;
then, unfortunately, it was not embraced; and our proceedings
had never appeared in a lower point of view than they did.
then. - The lsi'oble Lord then referred to the state of Ireland,
and said h would be far better that one side should give way,,
better even that the hopes of the Catholic.% should be gunelted;
and that the administration should act on the principle that no
further concession shohld he made to tharn,' than that, on such
a subject, it should continue to present - the miserable and- di-
vided appearance which it did at present. Lordship added,
that he could not conchitle .without referring to the conduct of
an ancestor of his, Sir Thos. Gosvenor, who, at the time of the
revolution, .commanded a troop under the Earl of Shrewsbury.'
lle was attached to the King and the Constitution, but the cOn-
duct of James the Second was so unprincipled and degraded,
that he resolved -to retire ; -When the King' sent for him, ele.
;lewd, himself with hint, and offered him ti 'eerage, if he wouldremain in'his service ' • but he rejected the bribe and belt, ;and
barnacle-tip his mind to retire from public life, when dealt
'seizettbirtar.the. hand,• and he. passed from this life to 'an-
other. I shall add some lines in reference to this subject from
a modern Poet :
" Oh !' bring the bay, the, poplar bring,
That hate. o'er Deva's winding wave ;
Bring everyndower that paints the spring,
. • To deck th:it.horus.l'atriot's grave';
Who, when a pd and 13igut strove
To tower oh. ,the reach of Ids h,
And woo'cl,binilo support his cause,
With Hiles, honours,. -spurred th' alluring bait,
Blind to thetyeant's power, and reckless of his hate."
Gentlemen, I have ,always endettiinured to steer my course in
the way lie stered his. Whatever I may have haci,to regret in
my life, I have had little, in my public conduct. • I trust We.
may look, though not without giootn, yet without desporitli•ucY,-
atthe present state of European liberty ; notiTiffistanding the.
present state of Italy—notwithstanding' te darkness that'now
hover; over Spain—notwithstanding rite weight which power
has brought to bear against true atld'weihregalated liberty.—
Gentlemen,.we ought :levet: to forget 'hoiv much' we oe-e to the
sacred volume,. Liberty is the doctrine of Christianity Be
free'," said the sacred 'writer, " but not using your liberty as A
cloak for licenticnisnesa." trust that those powers, 'those tles7
pots who call- thimselves holy, will soon cease to affect man-
kind, and that the only recollection of what they onto were will
be found in the mdse cholyand wretched consideration of what
they are.

you t or. ilerinaud thati,for paevt, The
sit,,in adapting a set.of,,ttgerrmg figinded olLitn^
to u tabl c truth, to the VArfiog,.conto exam a hunian, affairs—
Were, to define.; in a hatterof which Leonfess the tlitlioulty,
1 'taititad sity, 'that the Whig seeks to support the Constitution
of hi!itricesult. by .f;e4l4.ePt rocornenoe to its principleas—:
that, 7te. wishes to tunenti what through timehas become dere&
tire, and to adapt it tntliq purposes, mid, the:improved .liabits
'r
of tin' age. ite ToTy,. thiteontrary,..feels a sort.of.reliteus
abhorrence to touch what he calls,the. sacredfahrie, whic be
would rather see prumblp .to „pieces under his feet, .than be
would lend his assistance :in ratider,.,it immortal by reforming
and 'amending it. ";51areenper alingwal Wan" is his maxim.;
and, whatever be the subject proposed, if it be connected with
the -anielieration of the condition of mankind, by -!reforming
abuses, his opposition, is uniform and consistent., :Whether it
be proppsed to amend our criminal code, and to adapt it to the
more huinitoe feeling s- of the present day---whether it be sought
lb wipe away thoie degrading distiottions which:: mark certain
religious sec's— whether a Hercules (for truly it was a llereu,,,
lean task) attempt to cleanse the A tigean stable a Chancery, or
correct the vices of our representation-411e seine answer ie al.
ways given—""Touch not s reform not I We are contented
with the Constitution, mid. the degree of liberty-bequeathed to
tis by our ancestors." if tinie, they greatest of till innova-
tors. were not daily making inroads into that inbtuitaneo—aa
Viawhen every art and every seitoce had ;node such rapid stops.
En,thelr progress, even in the roasters of the youngest amongst
uit,..that legislation, the mist difficult of them all, had long
ago, and at one bound, as it were, readied its achme of per fee.
Con. Its if, when every thing, die °Spring of human ge.
Mut and human industry, bias A tendency to decay and
diasolution, that, the British Constitution alone should be
exempt from the general law of, nature. It. has been
said, that the patriots whose names we reverence, and
whose principles we imitate, were not. Itetinmers. of, the
Representation of the People. That they were not ..so,
we have every clay reason to regret. They did achieve great
and inipprtant objects they dismissed a. dynasty of Kings
whose prlnciples,,tvere odious, and whose conduct was arbitrary
and. base. They ,set. the. example to the world of a great -
nation ‘shaki ng Qtrifig trammels of Legitimacy, and of founding
a Oovernmtnt, virtually at. least, upon ,the only source of all
power—the consent of the. People. They did bequeath us a
noble inherintrice, which, if acted upon and supported, is suf.
ficient to satisfy, thc.wanuest friend of liberty. We have no
deeltidort to seek in thextutpsoclive of Rousseau, or to dip, as Alr

ry

e—esit, or to dip, e 4r.
, " Not heaven itself upon the past has power, ' Burke said, into the pigeoneheles of the Abbe kileyes, in order
What was bas been, and thave had my hour." to pick out such a firm of Goeternotent as may twit ourtaney or
His Lordship concluded by prospoii»g as a toast, " Prospe- convenience. They left ustl Constitution ; they gave us a King,
riti to the ancient and loyal town Of Chester." whoac prerogatives. are known, limited, and us such. honoured.
rhe CIIALRMAa, After some introductory observations, pros They left us an erititocracy, *leave prtvilegee do not war with
red ." The immortal memory. of Charles 'lames Fox,! ..-the interests and the feelingii,of the people e and a third estate
(Cheers.) (beep I am compelled to teethe' you, I am speaking of the theory
Lord Craw .gave 4' The health of Mr. Williams, and sup- non the practice, ef the constitution of those ptniode to which.'
teas to hire efforts for the reformation of the Court of Chan- wish to call seer support; not to their corruption)—we have
cery."—( Vehement applause.) , theO a third estate, the very soul and life-blood of which le it
The Honourable and Learned Gentlemen, on rising to ree pure and free eepreiteutotiou. Hut what are the tenets of thole
turn thanks,: was received with loud' cheers. With respect I great Mowers 'who now give the law to Europe ? That' no
particularly to Reform, which,. except Ireland, is the only liberty, ne rights whetever, can be enjoyed by the people,, hut
touching subject of interest to politicians, I. do not know that such at; are concidetleend doled out to them by their sovereigns.
there is any thing remarkable to 'be observed, except 'that That' they, tunkethe pyrnotid to *tend, not on its base,. as , wee
the subject has ceased to he hrgoed ,or " discuseed at allSne. *do, but upon Not,, is this a mere theory, like other
And
.why, Gentlemen, is this ?—it. ris because, after ariehe problemenattended with no bad results. Its de-
metical statements, made and often repeated—after having ex- nionstration is written in blood, and rapine and destruction are.
panned by figures the increased influence of the Ctownn-after Its commentatora.,e(leoutl, cheers.)—Gentlemen, I wish to ha
hiving repeatedly explained it to every capacity high or low— distinctly understood here, as not anxious to, throw blame, or
there ts no longer any eenteeteaboot it,
,antl,ehe subject is ate. to givo,mnr opinion, upon the conduct of rain Majesty's Govern-
lowed to sleep. The Right HonoUrable Secreteryfer Foreign, meat iu the lute negociations. , Ida not wish tothrow indisern.
Affitirin our great antagonist.' and Whom I place at the head; minute censure upon tiny party, and I heal agleam of the light
because he is pre-eminent both: in point of • ability and of the iof liberty, even tin the „British Cabinet. know an English
fairness with which he
,epposes himself to ea,-,.he,, 1 say, has Minister has much to tanittider before he ventures oet plunge his
permitted 'his. usual period of time to elapse without melting country into a war. I could have wished, indeed, that a firmer
a !tingle point, serious or comic, ageinst Reform.—(Cheers,)-- protest bad been made before the world, against that unprinei-
Bear in mind, I boseech you; that; 'though the kobject under- pled, usurpation, and a clearer assertion matte of thegreut prin.
went
.4 discussion in , the House of Cominotte for two long chic for which I ant contending, as to the right which a
night;, it pleased the Bight Honourable Secretary to leave , people has to assume that form of tiovernmentwhich it please t.
that dist:union to the unrivalled oratory and brilliant rhetoric , I tall tint the eulogist of thiSpanish Constitution, nor of Span-
of ' Sir Edward Hyde East. ()n this, hie fiteettrite subject, the,. trili valour. They atylieve.been as .cleficient in the Cabinet ae
Right Hottounible Secretary said not one word. Now in order in the fend ; but,; whotever be the issue of the conteetne-whate
to a' iscUssion there Mustelte. two sides, anti to cooetit tete a ' ever pat policy may estteet :to Engle: el to take,-...ilia not the
. debate there should be argument. I therefore say that the duy ; leso true that .the eanton4Aswireis the cause of the' itniepen-
of'discuesion iv over, and the time for action is Cotne.—(Cheertio dunce. of the 00144, itteoldoet( !seed cheer's.). ,' Gentlemen,
And' as now we all reel, though certain shades of, difference !, am ,unwillitig to eioubla,yete iliAlter upon' a subject already so
may exist amongst us, for on 'tenet earthly to do all men of ; ably treated ty toy Ilonoureble Friendsaround mei andl have
intelligence; think alike ? As there is one Universe' impecesion , eow only to thank
,welts, in the naunt of the Conimittee, terthe
with respect to this great subject, we should every wbere op.:, honour youlutee doue. them, -.and in my own, for the patient
ply Ourselves to the forwarding of it, and hike. care, that what indulgence with which you have favoured me.
is established by argument should become pretetlent itt prate. The Reverendeeh; Liefiees, after an 'eltiquent anti feeling'
tire. -We may indulge our antanonists in their allusions to our, t oddrets, proposed " the health of the excellent Seerentry,
shades of slight difference; it is the only 'sitedow of an argue . Mr. ,Swanwiek,l) absent. front a domestic I:calarnity.—( Loud
ment against us which they possess.BUt it; as .the Noble ethers,y,
Lord has well observed, men,:for place's tool pensions. will Mr. Tonnier, tele-elflike to the able and eloquent declaration
sacrifice their undoubted sentinten ts—will, at -the shrine teat.leity ,lidin.l.htetetipott;hefore dinner, prepoited the health of
of luere, And for gain and profit, offer up their settled etpi- I sliatGentleman, as the only Member present. of the Committee,
moos' on that cesential question—the state of; Ireland, the by whom it had been' drawn up. • , , • . -
rittht hand •of time empire essurely they who hive no pro- DArvt4Porr.,-Let us hope that we have eettchett the'
fit to look to—no places to lose--surely;, surely they who' men of, the title.—(Applause.)—Semptome of a more liberal •
give up so vital a question,' have no right M'expect,froni these spiriattve certainly shown themselves in our commercial policy,
a perfect and Intoned igreement on the subject of Mimeo not andelklineeters, in their, assent to the removal of the ,obetruetions
only in all its parts, but in each of its minima's and particular ,to %Odell trade was subjected, have. in this instance anleast,ree
bearings from the beginning to the end. -7( Cheeti4e.Th (trefoil!. ; cognieed the .importatit principle, that laws rrhfett grad, tuts,
I say it) one word; that .1 know not 'why we Should Colleted Ole adrantageollC to the community require some stronger , defence
Ithethes of disagreement amongserefitriners.. T will not etieert.l than the rest of antiquity or the witdom of our forefathereesee
with my, neighbour if 'he isnot prepered to go'emite to the ex. Till, however, their liberality exferide from their coinnietteetti
tent that I wish-e.I will avail ',ntteelf of every advantage that to their general policy, I, tor 'one. shall beg to be 44004'
this great cause can derive froin Ida talents Or ilia services, and ter launching out Into unqualified complimmete. I, cannot
I consider ha matter rather ortipleen than of principle to differ go along with, those candid souls who would have its
with him on the general question, becatise tut' to' each' of its sub. • sign ourselves.. at . once into a eort of fools' peradiee of -
diviitions we cannot agree precisely enti to a.lettet. Ott essen. cleating:delight, or prostrate acquiescence. I cannot Irupt-
tiels we are tweed, and I believe that at no distant time thote this with those who say—" Do you not tee how anxious Mr.
essentials will be :obtained. obtained. Look at the petider; front York--: Robinson is to fill his Exchequer upon ~thrtnottt approved re-
look.at the last division in the House etf Cern/none on this Seti- viper of political economy? How. the Secretaries for the 170.
ject--e division produCed by dot preistire of `public opinion, reign ondolloine. Depurteneets ate tee; liberal minded,, toe
noeby the amendment of tha body. , ~I believe that the period Much of Oeudernen, tai encettratte,theseurrilone slanders ofthe
at whichwe shall' see our principles realised is infinitely nearer, prole, arotehat accordingly, what may be termed the black.
and its arrival infinitely more probable than is commonly snp. guard interest is rather at a discount f Ito you not perceive
timed, or than three years ago any men in the eountypabitine that Mr. Canning hats ceased to ,-'ltd at serious Reformers with
of Chester could'haya,been.heaid lifting op hiOTOiee to declare. ill-timed jokett—that arc: as Ottrel out, in the language of a fit-
'l am ready and willing to assert, that preform is the eseeptial, cetions writer'
the vital, the only eueetioti -that we have now to Contend fern.- That he might as well atteMpt to take a eity.
There is one 'other subject on which I heVe the Unwelcome tnek ' With Ogee plumbs,
of saying a few wottitoe-it is, that since ourbott Meeting the instead of bon be,
her of freemen has been greatly. curtailed aid' abridged. We eta Silence treth by beirig. aitty ?'
have witnessed the deplorable spectacle 'of a nation,' net forced (Cheers • awl laughter. }eel!) short, tem you- tleriV that Otatle
front the possession of freedom by foreign interference, but noitrishes and Olt the lataled interest nr,nots after all ttgette,
willingly and unreldetantly abandoning a lirgitirnate'Oovern. rally nriet:king) eherded of above .6thothirit or their itleemco
went to return to the enormity of mbitertry' power: With (Laughter and eheerti.)--- ! dueled& bright day, whichenn,
respect: to :mother cotintrye which we cOneidered to be ep_ shone forth ; here ie cite swellow ; what a gloriOns antrunatis
pro:tit-Dating to freedom, no man can be deceived ate to the con. in prospect—(Laughter)!--Put your Itelbrutittyout poekets,for
duct whiehhas
longingn adopted towArtis it: Ite retest' it be not if you are nOt. satiefled with etteh tere, why the 40141 ie ;
decided. is gon a slendet i'on's, anti freedom is pow you."—(Cheere and latighttr.)-, Gentlenien, howetter ttltsurd,
confined to men speaking the Ennlish tongite, and to them this stmentle, hundreds reason petty much in this Way ; end ifs
alone. This ought to give us odd florid fondness for anti en- it were not a sin to di,terb so teuch cheap gratit utlee one might
tient to its every popular right, becomes it gives us the oppor. put to them some troublesome questions t-e. And me's's should
minty ref taking our place in the van and 'front of -the war of tteke-Are not then min whom you praise, the,satne, oneleitely
freedom. , Seeing that our own. itistittititins May goon become i Connected with thOF,e whose, plat continct you y have.
net quite safe, l' would with ns- to lee Prepared for that trial stigmatized as abominable.? Would you, in yin-private of airs, .
which, in my conscience, I believe_ to be fast approaching ;elect cut of the whole. World the eetleitned leloo or his. nSiO-
- wean power Ana ,fterAoin of diseussione and I think it tiro. Oates, isettie depositary of your greatest trust ?,--((`lbeers.)—
beble that, at no distant peritid, on English ground will that con. (levet andable as your new ,ilifintsters may be (and I shall, mint
trout-ray be settled—cCheerie) I r tiny oneneksrne what his been dispute this hypothesis), ire they, net aim soiled by the love of ,
done by the CheshireWhiX Chile i shell Atiswer, that the me: office, that they condescetol to act (cur rather sit, for ant they,,
hibition of public opinion by men not OnteMptlble for thetr cannot) with pawls whom eheyhottl in utter contempt„ anti '-
acgdirements, not contemptible for their Want Of consistentty, who are yet strong enotigh thwart them in their roastnor for the want of anyoneeptality which dietingoishes English: taryeneatinrce ? Are they nut cotiStantly oppoied byetinet g ta
teat
men,. ha* afforded 'a rallying point for liberal opinions, and liuninery Of law, the Nestor,
.the verterable minion.eite r. the
furuished. an opportunity for men to expeees in public felon_ablises of his own end every 'other (Stun ?—opposed 0:r opt
tier, in this cettnthy, those rentiments which tire not immaterial a point which .1 belies u' tiny themielvt, have, admitted
to free men, as Gentlemen ought, to do, without being expored to involve the , peace and security 'if the :reikl,rn ?,--w
tOthe..rtittlinta end enters of the enemies of their countryy, he (Cheerio, it poipt of no hews linportenee th.ut the pelitecal:
sauce they areavoweti foes of corruption - fool misrule. Public bondage of seven' Tattoos of their Catliolie brethren 4: -,(brie
opinion; in ordinary eases, ie valuable, becanet it is gratittal. might next inlohlt what tlicy togun,hy titer tut. A drtititistrn-,
The zeal of fresh converte, I know is quick,' bin it seldom tion ? they mean orange or.theie oppottente ?,—(cht;rrs,)
lams long,' and no opinion is coltwally enduring, or prevalent, _ow favoorent: or th's titioniNii , or thhee, iron
except whet in slowly, carefully', and gradually taken op, Cabinet such there Ure)'avito make
.teeKeectett of theiroteieleoltat
Mr. WridittAT4A sr; on the Committee bong tirenk, said, the most illustrlous +pttrttttlt, pattr,t
otspAy pit ,b MR the S,Carald.?
that the only thing which he had to cotnplain pit in the .comoll- For An these, tend other contrarietittS, tre.inclti&d in .the term
memory. way in which his I fonournble Friend had introduced eiministretioe: Why, Gentlemen, the real tritth orthe matter
that 'Loam, wan.' that it called hint (Mr. Wilbraham) to the ate en that these sit- tat`lva:miter* sehioto'koow 9,t4t4, whit they
tendon of the cortipeny, mimic; the disadvnntage of following to mean, because; the compass of their AUfOrinaeltett and ihmnat
one of the merit eloquent soul impreesivespeechee which it heti judging faculty are Want t 4 be about co.extoottivi:, r4:4tt.y, haver„
fallen to hie lot to hear, Nethatevee may be pretended. by Cef. yet to learn whet apart Of!chntieCa this gebinente ; thiSie big
fain politiciens, whin wish to eattifotind ell.eense Of right aed two or more heeds,. ,or rather that, like the oteiptgieitejlia
wrong, std wino seek to excumetheie own profligate apostacy, &hie, it has a -tail' so like the head in appeitianCet arid -epee
by A denial of all political principle, it is not the less true, ethic gravity, that this nether end occasionally claims the,
and in this he agreed in sentiment with an Honourable Mew- tight of leading the way, to the tin strand laceration and dise
hcr who had spoken, that there is a clear and broad distinction comfiture of the unfortututte hody.—(('hecrs.).—Which ex_
between the tenets of a Ni'hig and a Tory, which no honest or tremity, I should like to know, was taking the teed, when
candid man can deny. What that distinction is, it iseasier for at the peace, an unfortunate man, now no more, was quail.