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London, England, 1823-03-05 00:00:00

after the British vessels strove them ashorc. The number of,
Pirittis,destroyed were
Pirate vessels taken . 19

_
Pirates killed _ _ _.
. 20
Pirates to be tried by the Admiral. - - 40
Taken by Spain • - - • - 17
Total of men killed and taken -
If a contrary course had been pursued,, not one of these men
would have been brought to. punishment. So soon as these
desperate men suffer death voluteers would not: be found, to
carry on the trade. If the Honourable Member for Sandwich
hid seen the Papers.he would not have considered the Admi-
ralty liable to blame. On the subject of removing specie in
King's ships, Admiral Rowley had expressed a wish that the
merchants would take their money; in merchant ships. Their
answer was—No ! If we comply with :your desire, it will ruin
trade. It was then too much to say Officers had a sordid view
in the discharge of a duty they were obliged to perform. The
Gallant Officer concluded by observing, that he had said
enough to indite() the House to acquit the Admiralty of the
charges proposed by the Hon. Gentleman.
Mr. T. WILSON regretted extremely the misunderstanding
which had taken Place ; and though he could not go entirely
with the statement of the Hon. Gentleman (Sir George Cock-
burn), yet he trusted the discussion of the subject in that House
would lead to the renewal of the correspondence, which was of
so much benefit to the public. • -
Sir ISAAC COFFIN made some remarks, condemning the
conduct of the Committee at Lloyd's, Which want of space com-
pels us to_omit2_

Mr. BRIGHT was much gratified that the statement of the
Noble Lord of the Admiralty had vindicated that Board.
Sir G. COCKBURN explained.
Alderman THOMPSON suggested, that as it was appa-
rent to the House that exery satisfaction sought by the Gen-
tlemen of Lloyd's might have been obtained.if they had gone
to -the Admiralty, it would be better to withdraw the motion.
Mr. Secretary CANNING rose for the purpose of enforcing
the suggestion of an Hon.. Member (Mr. Bright), and to ex,
press a hope that the lion. Gentleman would not press his mo.
tion to a vote, which would shew a disposition to cast blame on
the Admiralty ; although for blame there could be no. pretence
The Right lion. Secretary bore testimony to the truth of. the
Gallant Officer's statement. When the question was pro.
posed to him, whether a written communication was the only
one that could be received ; and when the other alternative was
proposed, namely, whether Lloyd's should abstain from com.
mg to the Admiralty, and the Admiralty, go to Lloyd's ? he
thought it was rather more seemly, that the Gentlemen of
Lloyd's should wait on' the Admiralty. Ile was convinced
such communications, so far as public benefit was concerned,
ought to be made in ie usual way, and his hope was, that after
this night there would be na difficulty in making such commu.
nications in the usual way. If any doubt should occur in future
on the question of form, Dr. Trusler's principles of politeness
might be studied, in order that no offence be given to Lloyd's.
There was another question, namely, whether a proper force
had been kept in the West Indies. That question did
not properly belong to the Department of the Admiralty,
because it was clear that the force on the station would
have been sufficient, under common and ordinary dream-
stances.. Their object was to destroy piracy at once,
but it was found, without a Spanish force on land, nothing
effectual could be done. It Was doubtful 'whether a Spanish
force could be obtained, and the landing of a British force
on neutral land without previous application was not ad-
visable. No, one could read the newspapers without feeling
that instruction WAS given.to apply for permiision to land such
a force. That order had filletf Europe with reports of the in.
tention on the part of this country to occupy Cuba, but what.
ever blame might attach to that application it did not fall on
the Admiralty. It was the Act of the Government. In case
permission bad not been. given, the order was to land in op..
position to Spanish remonstrance ; but Spain admitted the rea-
son, and cheerfully assented to co-operate with our force. A.
more stern Government might have seen the question differ-
ently, and have made it a case of offence. The , Right lion.
Secretary stated this to exonerate the Admiralty, and lie ex.
pressed a hope that under the good humour on which the de-
bate had turned, the Hon. Member' would withdraw his ma-
tion and renew the communications with the Atuiralty on the
usual terms.

Mr. MARRYAT, in reply, said, that the mother of the
Committee of Lloyd's were much misunderstood, If they were
supposed to be retarded by any foolish notions of etiquette,: or
any thing but a sense of duty, in declining to receive verbal
communications from the Admiralty. Ile laid the whole of
the correspondence between the Admiralty and themselves be.
fore the subscribers, and then called a general meeting, for the
express purpose of taking it into consideration. At that meet.
ing, consisting probably of not less than a thousand subscri.
hers notwithstanding all the interest the Secretary of the Ad.
miralty could muster, only three hands were held up against
a vote of thinks to the Committee, for the manner in which
they had conducted the recent correspondence with the Adini.
ralty. This shewt the opinion Of the great commercial body of
this metropolis on the present subject, and is most triumphant
proof of their approbation of the conduct of the Committee
for managing the 'Weirs of Lloyd's. Let me suppose, for a
moment, that the statements contained in the letter of the 9th
October had been made verbally by the Secretary to the Coin.
mittee, and reported by them to the subscribers to Lloyd's._
that the subscribers, relying upon the authenticity of this corn,
munication, arid taking it for granted that the trade was fully
protected, and 'that the piracies were about to be suppressed,
had sustained great losses, and had called the Committee to
account for having thus deceived them—the Committee must
have referred to the Secretary to the Admiralty for the fidelity
and accuracy of their report. The Secretary might have stated,
that they had misconceived and misrepresented part of what
he had said. Ills word would have been as good as theirs,
and they might have been censured and disgraced for having
received anti reported verbal communications. Perhaps it is
not generally known, that the last Committee for managing the
Affairs of Lloyd's Were,actually turned out for alleged miacon. '
.duct on this very point, of. communicating intelligence to the
subscribers. In the year 1010, the subscribers to Lloyd's paid
not less than seven millions of money for Vessels trading to
the Baltic under licences, that were confiscated at one sweep
by order of Buonaparte. Shortly afterwardi it came out that
the Committee at Lloyd's bad been Warned of the probability
of this event, by the Secretary to the Admiral then command-
ing in the Baltic, but had not communicated his letters to the
subscribers at large. A general meeting of the subscribers was
convened. The Committee justified thernselvei on the ground
that they were appointed solely to manage the pecuniary con.
cerns of the house, and had not undertaken to communicate
intelligence; and urther, that they thought 'it unnecessary to
publish these letters, because they did not believe their con-
tents. The subscribers rePlied, that though they bad not ori-
ginally taken upon themselves to communicate intelligence,
yet that for many years past they had sodone, and therefore
they were bound to do it fully and impartially ; arid that in a
case of this importance, it was their duty, whatever their own
opinions might be,- to give the subscribers an opportunity of
judging for themselves. They were accordingly cashiered,
and a new Committee was pointed to frame rules and regu-
lations for the future good management' of the affairs at
Lloyd's. The rules and regulations framed by that Commit.
tee were unanimously approved of by a general Meeting of the
subscribers, and have ever since been acted upon. The rule
of the present Committee is, to receive no intelligence but in
writing ; and after the variance which they had found between
the statements in the letter from the Secretary of the Admi.
rally; of the 9th of October, and 'the facts Of the case, they
felt more strongly than ever the necessity of inflexibly adher.
ing to that rule. They were perfectly aware of.what Mr. Hib-
bert stated at the general meeting, that the communication the
Secretary wished to make related to the statements in that
letter. Mr. Hibbert said, that whilst he was conversing with
the Secretary of the Admiralty, lie laid his hand on a large
bundle of papers, as thick as a great folio volume of the Mi-
nutes of the Committee which Was lying on the table, and said,
these are the papers 'which I wished to have shewn to the
Gentlemen at Lloyd's. This declaration confirmed the pro.
priety of the conduct of the Committee. In the first place,
such a vast mass of papers could only he Intended to puzzle
not to convince ; for fact lies in a very small compass, anti
two or three short extracts of letters, such as the Committee
sent to the Admiralty, would have been sufficient to justify
their statement, if they had any such justification to produce.
In the next place, how were the Committee to report to the
subscribers to Lloyd's the contents of documents equal in bulk
to a large folio voluMe ? The attempt would have been
jpre-
posterous and impracticable, and therefore they acted
udi.
ciously in declining the interview. It is much to be regretted
that the Board of Admiralty did not condescend, in the first
first instance, to send a copy to the Committee of Lloyd's of
the extract from Captain Walcot's letter, which he had now
read ; for thought that Officer appeared to have altered his ori-
. ginal plan, and the protection to trade, of which he held
out expectations, still that letter Would have justified the as-
surances of the Admiralty, and prevented all misunderstand. '
ings. The manner in which communications are now made
by that Board to the public, through different individuals, is
extremely inconvenient. The Gentlemen to whom they are ad.
dressed may be absent from their counting-houses. Many of
them never attend either Saturday or Monday, and thus great
delay is occasioned. Alter all, they are copied and sent to
Lloyd's, as the only mode of giving them publicity.' At
Lloyd's attendance is given from morning to night, and the
communications are made immediately. I always, there-
fore, sincerely regretted the interruption of the former inter-
course, and am very anxious to see it restored. With these
feelings, and as the first step to conciliation, I most readily ac.

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THE SUN.

SOLEM QUIS DICER& FALSUM AtIDEAT

LONDON,___.
tvEDNE.s.DAY, M.4RCH 5, 18'23.

We can state, on high authority, that It is now
the opinion of the British. Court that the War
between France and Spain is inevitable. The
latest letters and dispatches received from Path,
and from a great Continental Power, all concur
in expressing the same opinion, and in repro.
senting that the last hope of preserving Peace
has been destroyed.

French Papers have not arrived, in cense.
quence of ther-itrong westerly gales during the,
last thirty-six hours.

The following extract from tho Expectador
seems to explain the precise nature of the recent
important occurrences at Madrid, which have
been so variously represented :
" MADRID ' FEB. 21.—We understand that
some patriots, who are not acquainted with the
circumstances which preceded -what occurred the
day before yesterday and the preceding night,
between the King and his Ministers, have formed
a sinister and erroneous conception concerning
Senor Egea,-who had signed the d6cree for the
dismissal of his colleagues. We are authorized
to explain to our worthy fellow-citizens, that
erroneous ideas have been conceived on this sub-
ject; that the seven patriots who compose the
Ministry had previously determined, that any
one of their number who might first receive the
decree of dismissal, should sign and promulgate
it; and that he should then wait to give in his
resignation when the King appointed the new
Ministry, or to give up possession to the head
officers of departments, according as the King I
might choose to act. This lot fell to Senor Egea,
for which reason he remained at his post until
the events of the night occurred, and by this sa-
crifice acquired a new title to the gratitude of
the friends of liberty. It is besides certain that
the fate of Senor Egea is completely Identified

with that of his colleagues.—The Universal has
observed; " that it cannot have escaped the pe-
netration of the inhabitants of this capital, that
men of opinions diametrically opposite, and of
parties which have sworn an eternal hatred to
each other, have united their efforts to bring
about the ruin of the country, with the perfidious
intention of destroying one another, as. 60011 as
they shall have obtained their wished-for object."
This remark of the Universal is so correct, that
on the slightest examination of, the doctrines of
certain persons, and the late events at Cadiz, it
must appear as clear as the light of day. We,
doubtless, know that the number of these die-
turbers of the public peace is very small, and that
they are altogether destitute of support. The steps
they took to produce the scene of the dismissal of
the Ministers, proves to what length their malig-
nity and machiavelism can carry them, and how
far they are ready to contribute to the detestable
views of the declared enemies of liberty. Indeed,
what more could these monsters desire, than that,
' after the speech of the King had been read in
the august Congress of the nation, he should dis-
miss, as he did the Ministers ? There would not
be wanting persons to believe that this act of the
King is equivelent of saying to foreign nations—
" All that I have stated to the national congress
I disapprove. I keep no faith with the cause of
liberty; and the best proof I can give you
is, that the Cortes are no sooner disolved,
than I rid myself of those Ministers who made
me speak as I have done. Moreover by this
measure, the activity and energy of the prepa-
rations for defending the country will be checked
the administration of affairs paralyzed, and,
before the new Ministers who may be appointed
know how to act, the invasion may be effected,
the enemy may reach the capital, and replace in
my hands the reins of absolute authority."—Such
is the interpretation which may be given to this
unseasonable and mischievous removal of the
Ministry. Now, let us ask those who from
ambitious views have tampered with the enemies
of the system, and agreed to share with them the
places which the seven eminent patriots in whom the
nation places confidence, were on the point of leav-
ing—let us ask them what guarantees they have
for flattering themselves that, after having by
the help of despotism broken down this first
bulwark, they would come better off than the
wretched men who entered into office with the
absolulistas, under the plan which was defeated
on the 7th of July—who, after subscribing to
the plan of Chambers, the veto, and other reforms
in the fundamental code, found themselves
chained down by those whom they had previously
trusted, but who, now believing themselves secure
of success, audaciously .declared that' arbitrary
power, and nothing else, was the thing to be esta-
blished ? What guarantees, we repeat,do those who
engaged in the atrocious intrigue for the removal
of the present Ministers possess, that they them-
selves would not be the victims of their own per-
fidy and cowardly compliances ? The' promise
of ----. Indeed ! promises :—we have high
examples of the Punic faith with which they
have been observed ! .We, who never have
defended the present Ministers on account of
affection or friendship, or of any of the less
worthy .•motives which our adversaries have
coaresely and calumniously imputed to us, but
solely because we sincerely believe that their
continuance in the Ministry is of great importance
to the national cause—will be happy to congratu-
late them on the day in which the King shall
supply their places by men equally compromised
in the cause of liberty, and who, along with that
pledge, possess also equal disinterestedness, pro-
bity, and good faith. In the present circum-
stances, and at least until the ordinary Cortes
commence their labours, it assuredly would be
dangerous and impolitic to make any change
whatever in the Ministry:

Lisbon Papers to the /oth February came to
hand at a late hour ; they mention that at the
sitting of the Cortes on the 14th, Senor MOURA
read a report of the Committee on the motion
made by him respecting the defence of the
country ; they likewise state that the expedition
to Bahia, consisting of 2000 men, sailed on the 15th.

[FROM A CORRESPONDENT.]
STOCK EXCHANGE, Twelve &Clock—Up to the
above hour we have no Expresses in from Paris,
which, no doubt, is owing ta the boisterous
weather ; in the mean time, idle reports are circu-
lated that hostilities are to commence against Spain
on the 20th of this month, and that the Duke
(PANaoux.EstE is to leave Paris for the Army the
beginning of next month ; Also that the French
Funds were c,n Monddy 79. Consols opened
this morning at 73k, went down to 73+1, at which
price they are up to this hour, with little business
doing ; all waiting with great anxiety for the
Expresses horn the French Capital, which, no
doubt, will arrive in the course of the clay.
FOREIGN MARKET.--Little business is doing
in the above Market, on account of the absence
of intelligence from Paris. Spanish Bonds
opened at 304 I.

One o'Clock.—No Express has arrived as yet
from Paris. Consols have got up a little—they
are 73i. By the Lisbon Mail this morning a
report prevails on 'Change that the Portuguese
are going to declare war against France ; but
this report cannot be much credited, as it is sup-
posed that they would not do it without the con-
sent of England.

FROM ST. MicitAct.'s.- We learn by the Plato
that the new Constitution had been accepted at
St. Michaels, on winch occasion the place was
brilliantly illuminated, and 'the King's effigy
burned-. The property of those who were nut in
favour of the change had been contiscated.—The
new crop was large and good.