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The Ball of LIVERPOOL then moved the order of
the day for taking into consideration the new suc-
cess with which the British arms were crowned by
the siege and f I 1 t f the fortress of Ciudad Rodrigo,
and the Vote of Thanks which he should conclude
with moving to Lord Wellington, and the army
under his conmiand, which had dieen employed in •
that important and brilliaqt service. Under all the
aspeds in which this fresh achievement should'be
viewed, it appeared to be one most eminently com-
plete in all the requisites of a Military operation,
and therefore highly worthy, in his opinion, of the
highest honour which it was in the power of their
Lordships to confer. Such, he should always deem
a Vote of Thanks by that House to be ; and on no
occasion should he propose the conferring of that
honour, except upon services so conspicuously dis-
tinguished, as the present, by every thing that could
recommend it to the approbation of their Lordships,
and to the applause of the nation at large. ;There
were three points of view in which he felt it incum-
bent on him to consider this brillim exploit, each
of which would be sufficient to entitle it to that en-
viable ree:ard, with which be should propbse to the
House to distinguish it.—l st. The importance of the
acquisition itself.-2d. The judicious manner in
which it was prepared.-3d. The rapid and glorious
attack by which it was obtained. What importance
has uniformly been attached to the possession of
Ciudad Rodrigo may be fairly and fully caecled,
not only from the obvious eeleantages with which
the possession of that place is uuiversally, ackno
!edged to be attended, but from the value in which
it has been held both by the British Commander in
. Chief, and by the enemy, who had made such sa--
crifices and exertions to acquire aud' retain it.=-
When the enemy under Marshal Massena proceed-
ed to attack Portug4, fur the conquest of which that
General boasted that he advanced with an army of
110,000 'men, his first and most important step 'he
declared to be the siege and acquisition of Citachd
Rodrigo. In order to accomplish that object, he
collected rend advanced m,ith a force amounting to
upwards of 27,000 men. All that time Lord Wel-
lington had to oppose to the enemy not more than
fourteen thou Sand British trocps, and 7000 Por-
tuguese troops. General Hill, with the remainder
of the allied force, .was then in Est amadura, a part
of the country which he could not leave enpro-
teded without incurring such. risks as even the at-
tainment of so great an object as the defence and re-
lief of Ciudad Rodrigo would not have been -suffi-
cient !ra counterbalance. And here again was dis-
piayed that judicious prudence, that unerring fore-
sight, th rt consummate judgment which have uni-
formly charaderisedthe operations of Lord Welling-
ton. Fully sensible of the important advantages of
the possession of that fortress, as he should presently
spew Lord 'Wellington was, yet that able General
would not allow himself to be diverted from his- ge-
neral plan of the war by any endeavour to obtain
any individual and particular success. With that
comprehensive view of the general objea, ever pre:
sent to his mind, he reluctantly withheld from every
endeavour to dispute tie possession of the place by
the risk of a general battle, under circumstances so
disproportionate, with an army so inferior in num-
bers to the enemy, and the third of thfit army then
composed of Portuguese troops, recently lea).ed; im-
perfedly disciplined, and as yet untried in any dif-
ficult and arduhus service. That he fully felt the
value of the place, is abundantly proved by a letter
of his to Marquis Wellesley, dated M.rida, Sept. t,
I 809, in which your Lordships will recoAetfit, that
Lord Wellington says, " Your Excellency has ob-
served that Soult entertains a design' of attacking
Ciudad Rodrigo, which design I understand was
lliscumsed and recommended by a Council of War,
held some time ago at Salamanca. The success of
this .enterpeise would do more mischief than the
French are capable of doing in any other manner.—
It would completely cut of the only communica-
tiou the. Spanish Government have with the North-
ern Provinces—it would give the French the perpe-
anal possession of Castile, and would probably oc-
casion the loss of the Portuguese fort of Altnekla."—
Such was the light in which ,Lord .Wellington con-
sidered the value of Ciudad Rodrigo; at a time when
he could have no idea that it was one to add such
an important and glorious link to the long chain re
his Splendid PiplUnS, Brat, the posaeesiun of thal

The East India Loan Regulation B I,i. was read a
second time, and. comtnuttd fur 'ltiurt.day
and ordered to'he printed.
Of the motion of Mr. PARNELL, the Accounts
resi eain(4 the Revenue of Irqland, prcsented to
the kiouse• o.t Tuursddy last, -were ordered to be
printed.
IN/Ir. LOCKHART postponed his notice of, mutiou
relative to the American Sufferers, horn Wednes
till Thursday next.

.Mr. IRosi brought in a Btll for the better
of Pilots, which was read a first Odle, and
ordered to be read a second time.
THANKS TO LORD VISCOUNT WtILLINGTON,
The CHANCELLon of the ExchEtWtitt rose to
move a Vote of Thanks t,.) General Loid Viscount
Wellington, and the Officers and Soldt..y's utitier
command, for the gallantry display,ed 'in the sitge
and capture of Ciudad Rod,tgo. Tfic Right Ift t.
Gutlei.uan observed, that ha biitii;i,z tut

motion, of which he had given notice for the ,pur-
poscobf inJocing the House to take into its conside-
ation the eminent services of Lord Wellington, and.
t,he bra,e army under his command, it ould be
unnecessary for tom to offer many observations. The
House must be aware of the imp°, tatice of the oh-
jea attatne of the merits of Lord Welk:Igloo
.--u9th were well deserving the.matked approba-
tion of Parliament —With respect to the pinion
~if'`iny 'did prevail), of the propriety of conferring
the thanks of Part arnent upon so many occasions,
...he thought he House, whatever they might think
in a doubtful ca:e, 'would in the present instance
conceive that the achievement in the capture of
Ciudad Rodrigo, was of
,snch a nature, both in its
operation and' ultimate success, as not only to re-
flect the Areatest honour on the skill,"the adroitness,
the abilic,, and the. gallantry of the Commander in
Chief, but also o;. the bravery, the zeal, and the
proiiip,itude displayed by those under his"ponainand.
The gallintry 'which had so often been disclosed in
the-Pei,insula, had received additional luStre by, slits
brilliant and distinguished exploit ; it had raised the
character of the British arms to a height which'
C owned them with the most transcendant glory.
Tt was a servii.e which deserv.cd the particular no-
tice of. the House, so far as it i'espe6ted the/opera-
lions And the . irCurnstances resulting therefrom.
The HOLlit, were intormed of the nature of the
transac.tiot wh;,•h led to the tall of the place. On
the ath Janu.,f,y, Lord .Wellington having broken
ground b,:t-nre the c;ty, was enabled thereby coin-
pletely to invest the place, and on the saute days
baying au:red considerably to his strength by re-
doubts, and by a chain of batteries, fortified by
palisadoes, which rendered the approaches more
difficult, seized the Convent of Sr. Francisco.' The •
attack, which was made in the most gallant and de-
termined manner, was successful. He was second-
ed by Lieut. Cuiorrel Colborne, who, on that oc-
ca-ion, most ably assisted in the seige. In this
manner the operations were carried on, till the'
nighia of the 13th and 14th,-when the Convent of
Santa Cluz was taken by Lient.'General Graham.
The seizure of these, which communicate d with the
body o! the place, was of the greatest important e..
On the night of the 14th, the Covent of St. Fran-
cisco was taken by Major General Colville. Flom

the 15th to the igth the -works carry 'lig (in w re
considerably' advanced, two. breaches were made
which had been thought iniplaeticable. As the
army had not made such advances as were then

thought neL essary to justifythe assault, it was not
commenced. On the evening of the 18th, it was
however determined to attempt to take the place by
a-saurt. Acordingly the attack was madd in five
separa•e colum. s. The two light" columns weir
condoctee by Lieut. Cot. O'Toole, of the 21 Put-
titgue-e e,,cadores,.and by M.ijur Ridge, of the sth
British regiment, to protect the brigade under
Major General MaAinnon, which formed the third
-column, the Whole being ynder the command of
Lieu. Genet,' Mon and Brigadier gerieral•Pack.
Theattacks thus commenc-d, they followed the at-
tack of Brigadier G rieral Pack, with the filth co-
luMn, which sv is intended merely as a false one,
tomeletely succe ded, for Brigadier Pack had convert-
ed fits false attack into a red one, and shortly after
the sterna had cummenctd, are 'enemy surrendered.
The service had to lament the loss of Major-Gene-
ral 5-1,10 it) nun, who, unfortunately for the coun-
try, perished sty the explosion of a magazine. The
House would ba%e no hesitation in conceiving that
the loss of 'so valuable" an Officer would be severely
felt, and after the Vote of Thanks :..ad passed, it was
his intention to move an'Address to his Majesty,
praying that ,he would be graciously pleased to di-
'reel that a Monument be ereated to the memory of
that gallant Officer. He w.as an Officer of the most
esti.eable qualeies, both in public and prisate, whose
virtues and abilities were th'e themes of admiration
and applause. In effecting this important service,
Major-General Craufurd was severely wounded, and
it would be long before the counity would derive
the benefit of his assistance. Major-General Van-
deleur was also wounded. Indeed, to persons of
common observation, the traesattions which led to
this brilliant result would appear very singular,when
the opportunity was of of comparing them
with others of a similar nature, even to military
persons they would be exhibited in the same light.
It did happen that the history of the war furnished
an instance of a siege concluded against the same
place by the enemy to Great Britain ; the House
therefore would be enabled to enter into. that com-
parison, and when he had noiiced the proceedings
of the enemy on that occasion, be in a situation
more fully to appreciate the value of the services of
Lord Wellington and his brave army. Lord Wel-
iingtorr invested Ciudad Rodrigo, the place having
received very considerable accessions of strength,
both in point of force and of works. He set himsdt
About the and in iwel‘e days had completed
the works necessary to carry it on—ma le the at-
tack, and look it by storm. Now mark the contrast.
Ito the preceding year, the French army appeared
before the place, more numerous in point'ol force
than my Lord Wellington's army. Their army
consisted of tried soldiers, and of the most skilful
engineers. General Massena set about taking it on
the 15th June, on which day be broke ground, and
continued his approaches and batteries until the 14th
July, on which day he took it, making a period of
thirty days consutned in the attack, whereas, in the
Ifhort space of 1 1 days, the British Com tnander com-
pelled a more numerous • garrison to surrender.—
These fads simply-detailed would speak more for-
cibly to the merits of the service than any panegy-
rics which he could utter. The House would there-
fore duly estimate the merits of the whole army.
The bare narration of -the transaction would convince
them that this was one of those cases which it was
proper to distinguish by the Thanks of Parliament,
and therefore lie should move,

That the Thanks of the House be given to General Lord
Viscount Wellington, K.B. for the akin, decision, indefati-
gable exertions, and consummate judgment, manifested by,
him in the siege and capture of CnnLd Rodrigo, by which
that iii.port.tht fortress was %%rested /loin the enemy in the
short space of eleven days."

On the question being put,
General TARLETON rose to express the satisfac-
tion which he telt upon the occasion. He had ne-
ver given d vote more cheerfully ; 'it-came from the
bottom of his heart. The hrilliancy of the affair,
which the House was called upon to recognize and
ri own .4 it& its thanks, had never been exceeded.—
the oldest General Officer in the House, he
be allowed to oder his tribue of applause to

exploits such as thoce which peculiarly marked the
character of the country. He scarcely knew which
to admire most, the skill and intrepidity of- the Ge-
neral i aThd •Otticers, or rlipbrwiery'and discipline 'of
the troops; all were alike entitled to the gratitude
of the House. He would defy any nation to pro-
dike troops so steady in point Of discipline ; so
prompt in obedience cf order, and so distinguished
in the Lard Weliington had truly stated the,
distinguished manner in which •the troops were led
on. In all operations of •t he kind, which were for-
lorn hopes, volunteers were demanded. On this

. occasion, 350 was the nUmber.wanted. 'ln lesS than
a quarter of an hour, st:lenterprizing Weie‘the men,
that out of 'two regimenb, simile were not less than
700 volunteered. It would need not his' panegyric,
for the exploit would stand in the pages of history
as one of the most which the world ever saw
recorded. The combined eh,quence of the House
could not point ont an exploit more gallant J. it was
one which had b,iund round the brows of our brave
countrymen a chaplet which would be immorta-
lized by farce, when history told to posterity the
operations bet•ore Ciudad Rodrigo.
,Mr. C. ADAMS 'cordially agreed with the mo-
tion. He'hoped some additional honour would be
conferred on L ,rd Wellington. He trusted the
Right Honourable Mover would give the House
sonic hint that such honour was intended to beton-
ferred.

Sir H. MONTGOMERY wished to take the op-
portunity to co: red some misrepresentation which
had been made of him, when thanks were voted to
Lord Minto, but was called to order.; his observa-
tions being irrelevant to the present subjeCi.
Mr. BUTLER also cordially concurred in the Vote
of Thanks. He regretted, however, that the Thanks
of the House had not been voted to Lieutenant-.
General Hill, 'and the Officers serving under his
coimmind.
" Mr. AaßuTtitior observed, Kat the name of one
Office' engaged in this biilliant affair had nut been
mentioned, on account of his tank being inferior to
that rank which came under the particular notice of
Parliament. He meant Major . Napier, who had
not only been wounded on this, but formerucca-
sions, when distinguishing himself in theservice of his
country. It was his pride to have served under -Sir
'J. Moore. That gallant Officer (Major Napier)
had three brothers equally meritorious in the service
of their country.
-General LoFTUS would not detain the [louse from
coming to what he was sure must be an unanimous
vote ; -tor the House must see the great advantages
which would result to the nation, in its military ca-
pacity, by the expluits'as-sct lorth in Lord Welling-
ton's detail of the. siege of Ciudad Rodrigo. Whe
ther in the open field, or in a regular siege,, the
British arms were now brow fit tai that perfection,
-that system of discipline tha would eaable them to
• cope with, if not to.preceed, every. other military
nation on earth. To Lord WeJlington much of this
was due. All his arrangements were so admiratle,
every departMent of his arm, so judiciously, so well
filled—there was so much confidence reposed in hint
b} that army; that whether he acted upon the de-
fensive, or whether he led his troops to the attack,
the same security, the same confidence in the re-
sults, rested in the soldier's mind. He considered
the event of the siege as a national honour, by the
Vote of this House, conveying the general voice of
the nation to my Lord Wellington's army, and that-
it must make a lasting impression upon mankind,
and would be an incitement, an inducement to young
Officers to imitate so bright an example.
The motion was then agreed to neat. con.
The Right Hon. Gentleman then moved—•
" Thanks to Lieutenant. General Thomas Graham, Se.
cond in Command ; Lieutenant-General homas Pition ;
Major.General,the ,lonotirable C. Colville ; IVlajor-Gene.
rat Vandeleur; Major-General -Cranfurd ; Brigadier-Ge-
neral ; for the gallantry displayed by them, which led
to the ori-pis termination on the evening unite 19th Janu.
ary last: &c

A tie to Ine Offices of the British Allied Forces, who
so nobly .ei on the siege, &c.
•• At w, to the Officers of the Royal Corps of Engineers,
and of the Artillery, for their activity and indefatigable zeal"
&c.

These motions were agreed to.
The Right Hon. Gentleman then moved a Reso-
lution acknowledging the services et the Non-coin-
missioned Officers and Soldiers.—Agreed to.
He then moved another- Resolution approving of
the good condu6t of the other General Officers of
the British and Allied Forces, &c.—Agreed to.
He then moved,

'• That an humble Address be presented to the Prince
Regent, praying, that lie would outer a monument to be
erected to the memory of Major. General Henry Mackinnon,
in the Cathedral of St. Paul's, who fell gloriously in the
siege.of Ciudad' Rodrigo, assuring his Royal klig`liness this
/louse would make good the same."
The. Address
.was agreed to.
LORD RODNEY.

An Hon. Member wished to know why the mo-
nument voted 18 years since to. Admiral Lord Rod-
ney hid not been erected, and whether it was in
contemplation to do so ?

Mr. LONG, in reply to the question, observed, that
another Hon. Member bad last year put a similar
question. lie had' to state in answer,' that d►ree-
ti:-ns had been given to carry the orders of the
[louse into effect. The monument was in gristat
forwardne,s, and, he believed, would be ,hortly
executed. With respect to the blame, he_ did . not
know where it rested ; certainlrnot with the pre-
sent Government.

' The Hoff. Member did not mean to impute blame
any whrre.

THE CIVIL LISI%

Mr. .EDEN rose to move for the appointment of a
Seletil Committee to inquire into the expenses of
the Civil List Revenue, and to report their opinions
as to the future regulations. of the expenses. The.
Hon. Gentleman adverted to the increase of the
expenses of that List, from the vstimated expenses
of 1804, contending that it was the duty of Parlia-
ment to,see that no improvident use was made of a
fund so liberally provided for the support of the
Royal Household. He admitted. that there:might
cases occur in which augmentation must naturally--
arise in the expenses. He had no-% ish to abridge
the splendour of the Throne, but he could not avoid
observing, that in 1803, when Mr. Addington was
in power, in consequence of three successive re-
ports of. Committees then appointed, the revenue
was augmented 60,0001. and a number of charges,
to the amount' of about 138,0001. usually paid from
the Civil List, were taken away, so that in lad the
whole augmentation was about 200,0001. In the
1311 of this year, 134,0001. was granted in addition,

without any previous inquiry. It therefore belrOV.-
ed. the House, in his opinion, to institute an en-
quiry, so' as to satisfy the public- that at least their
money was properlyapplied, anciln order to do this,
some documents were necessary to, furnish a clue to
that excess of which he complained. ToUome at
the items in the Papers otrthe subje& already before
the Horse, he would divide the List in nine classes.
The first class would contain the salaries of the
Royal Household, which salaries were not subject
to it crease or diminution. The second class com-
posed the salaries of the Chancellor, the Judges,
and the Speaker. The third related to the Foreign
Ministers resident abroad ; the estimate of this part
of the expences was 112,0001. in former yearse, He
was aware that this branch of the expellees must
necessarily vary as it regarded our foreign relations
either in time of war or of peace. In the fourth class,
which was applicable to the Lord Chamberlain's and
Lord Steward's departments, there was a greater.ex-
cess. The expellee of this department was stated by
the Committee of 1804, about 172,0001.; in the
last year. it had risen to 296,0601. consisting prin-
cipally of tradesmen's and artificers Bills.—
Among some of -the items would be found charges
for the repairs of 'Windsor Palace, in the four years,
a snm Of 55,0001. for furniture for the same place,
78,0001. making a total sum for repairing and fur-
nishing Windsor Castle of about 133,0001. Ii
might be said that this -was the Royal' residence,
and consequently some additional splendour was ne-
cessary ; he did not mean to deny it, but what
Would be said to another item respecting the Palace
at Kensington ? there was a charge of 25,0001. • fur
repairing and altering the Duke of Kent's apartments,
aid 16,0001. for the sank purpose in the Princess
of Wales's, making a total of 44,0001. There-was
also a charge on the seven years of 51,0001. for
furniture, which, added to the former sum, would
make a total of 95,0001. for repairing, altering, and
adorning two sets of 'apartments. He thought,
therefore, some coneroul ought to be exercised by
Parliament in the application .of the money. The
estimate for the Lord Steward's department was
75,0001. The next year the actual expenditure
was 125,0001. being seventy per cent. beyond the
original estimate. The Hon. Gentleman noticed
some other items of excess, such as a charge 10,0001.
for candles, and proceeded to the ninth class, which
claims particular at t tention, as being more open to
abuse. In this class there is a sum for secret ser-
vice, of tO,OOOl. and it is extraordinary that every
year the sum was the same, never varying, so that
it appeared like an annuity. This required investi-
gation,' As to the special sets/ice money,_ the sum
set apart in 1805, amounted' 12,5071. in 1808, it
had amounted to 3 1 ,0001 ; in I 8 10, it was 32,0001.;
but last year it was reduced-to 19,0001. He certain-
ly was unwilling to examine too minutely into these
charges, mixecras they seemed to be; but there
were certain charges for equipage money for fe.:
reign missions, which it wouldsbe necessary for the
Committee to inquire into, and why such charges
should exist. Among the charges to which he ob-
jeacd, was one of 26,0001. for building a palace at
Constantinople. Why the necessity arose for build-
ing a palace there, ought to be explained. The Hon,
Gentleman, after noticing some other minor charges,
concluded with moving for the appointment of a Se-
led Committee, to inquire into the expences of the
Civil List Revenue, &c.
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said the Honourable Gentleman
who had just sat down had so particularly called up-
on him, that lie hoped the Honse would excuse him
if he rose thus early in the debate. He should
not follova'sahee Honourable Gentlernart through the
whole of his statement, but he begged to mention one
obviotisr reason why it appeared to him impossible
that the House should grant the Committee moved
for by the Hon. Gerelenian, at least as far as it re-
lated to Foreign Ministers. He was sure the House
Was tiqt aware of the detriment which ,freqUently
ensued from" The publicity given to the dispatches of
Ministers sent by this counkry to Foreign Courts.—
in order to shew the injurious consequences which
soieetimes follow from the publication in this coun-
try of the dispatches of Fereign Ministers, he begged
leave to state a circumstance that occurred to him in
one of the missions in which he had had the honour
of being employed. It would be obvious to the
House that he could not with propriety mention the
place, or the names of the persons to whom he was
alluding ; but the fad he meant to state was, that it
happened to him, on the occasion to which he was
tetetring„to be dieterms of intimacy with the Mi-
nister of an allied power,who had received an import-
ant communicat ion which it was of great consequence
to him (Mr. Arbuthnot) to knowe because it often
happens that Ministers of Foreign Courts receive more
regular correspondence than the British Ministers do.
It was only through his means th.tt he (Mr. Arbuth-
not) could obtain intelligence of the . relations sub-
ing between the Court of that Minister and his
The Minister to whom he had alluded did
communicate to him the dispatches which he receiv-
ed, and from the perusal of those dispatches he so,
that it was necessary for him to support. the repre-
sentations of that. Minister, and lie had no other
grounds to guide his conduct, not having received
any dispatches from his own country. It happened
that at that time English papers were received at the
place to which lie was alludii g, which contained some
public diTatches Writsich had been printed by order
of that Hoiase, and u hid), if lie might be permitted
to say so, had better have I:een kept secret. The
moment these papers were received, the Minister
With whom he was in confidence refused any longer
to make those communications to him, for his own
safety. If that Minister had acted upon that reso-
lutiien, it would have been impossible forhiM (Mr.
Arbuthnot) to know how to guide himself in the:
absence of dispatches from his awn Court. It ap-.
peared from circumstances, that the Court to which
that Minister belonged was not so intimate with the
British Court as he had supposed, but they were only
appearances: When the Foreign Minister told him
that he could no longer coffin-lonic:ate his dispatches,-
he (Mr. ArbuthniA) implored him not to disconti-
nue his communicationa.,..otherwise he could not
support his representations. With this request that
Minister at length complied, but it was upon conch •
tion that he would promise, upon his honour, than
those communications should not be transmitted to
England in his public dispatches. He gave the pro-
mise required, out at the same time he asked that
Mt/niter's permissien to_ communicate them in pri-
va:e letters, to which, after much entreaty, he cdo-
sewed. This circumstance reminded bim of an ob•
servation wade once by a Noble Lord in that House,

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that he could ant tinderstana what vas meant by
private letters from Foreign Ministets.- He begged
to assure the House, that if it were not for private
communication, no Foreign Minister would -be able
to discharge duties of his mission. An Honourable
Friend of his opposite to him had, upon his menti:
oiling this eircuthstanee; related• to him one of a
much more curious and Important nature. He need
not state the pat Oculars it was suffic.ent to say;
that the-salvation of-Europe at-that time -depended
upcm his Honourable Friend having a free 'commu=.
nicat ion with those to whom he Was-direEted to un-
fold h imselfcontiden ; but Stet' was the jealousy
enter tallied by Foreign-Ministersin consequence of the
publicity given. to dispatches in this country, that
it was considered dangerous tO communicate wads
the Ministers of this Court. With regard to .his
own pecuniary accounts, he was so circumstanced
that he had no excuse to make for not giving a full •
detail of them.; there was no explanation which .he
was not ready and Willin& to give. [Here there w A
''general cry of Hear, hear l] But he wished to stand al
it were in the gap between- the House-and other Mi,
nisters who had been employed in 'oreign missions,
and who were differently circumstanced from hint-
self. He bad, however, se, n in private par ers
names of persons mentioned, which, if they w rre
made public, would bring dtstivaioo upcin
individuals. It had been urged -in that House, that
it it was necessary- that these secret expences • were.
incurred, they ought to be defrayed out of the Se!.
cret Service Money, riot out of the C:vil List, but •
that could not always be the case, for reasons--which
it was not necessary to detail.- He brAggeil• also' to
state, that it was merely the publicity given to diplo-
matic papers that did the w hole of the itijory. It
was not to ,be expetied that persons on the Conti-
nent unacquainted with our usages could be aware
of the -extent to which we made our dispatches
public, but when they knew that they were soure-,
times pnblished, how could they know that th,--if
na:nes and their communication vvould be' tuad

public. He trusted that, before he sat down, he
should be able to satisfy the House that• there were
such checks upon the expenditure of Foreign Mi-
nisters, as would render the appointment of !ha
proposed Committee unnecessary, as far at least as
the accounts of those Ministers were concerned.--

He should now_ . proceed to give they ekplanati.a:
Which he had promised: The sum charged 3,,i)ainsE
his name was not, as had been staled, 46,0001. OE
47,8971. - He should class tyre heads of-expe-nce iii
a differetg form from that in,Which they were laid
before ude House; the sums, however, would be
the same, but be thought that the mode he should
pursue would make it more intelligible., He slibuld.
class these, expences under the_ it aLninEi heads.-- '
First, thost relating to the British,Palace ereaed al
Constantinople. • Secondly, the extraordinary dis-
buisements of the mis3ion; and' thirdly, the cornr
pensation he had received for his own losSes. The
Honourable Gentleman desired to ltnow why it wa;
necessary to erect a Palace at Constantinople. Ho
would give him, he hoped, a t,:nislattory ano,ver.
He was afraid he should trespass too long upon the
time of the House in gi' ing th, se details, but he
trusted he should be pardoned. I, was neec scary to
state that such was the-nature of Pera, the suburb
of:Constantinople, in which Foreign Ministers re-
sided, both with regard to lion4es ,ind streets. that

was impossible to find a h,,use there fit for a rift-

nister, or even a private .Gerokl.rcut „ 11,e ilk'
01 this faa his Hon. Friend who succeeded him, he
was sore, was convinced, and would cm,tirm his
statement. Not only the-lA-ger- nations of Europe,
but even all the smaller ones that sent Embassies to
Constantinople, had Palaces annexed to their mis-
sions. In former times, when there was not the,
same political importance attached to the Briti.,l;
mission to Constantinople that there has recently
been, the British Minister had a Palace. This Pi"
lace was so old and out of repair, that it ought to
have been pulled down a century ago, when Mr.
Wortley was there, being entirely composed of wood,
it was found impossible to repair it. When Lord
Elgin was at the Porto, there being no French Ambas•-
sador there, his Lordship occupied the French Palace.
But the Porte being desirous of manifesting its respeti
for this country, gave a piece of groand, and under-
took to build a Palace for the British Minister, Lora
Elgin thought it necessary to send for architects frora
other countries to superintend the eredion of the
Palace, a; other Ministers had done, and not
build it according to the Turkish manner. '1
Porte, as he had already stated, were very generoo
in giving a large snm of money for the erection ()LILO
Palace. The ground- alloted wag also very extensive,
as the Porte insisted that the British Palace sirouli
be as superior to others, as our Court was then, its
their estimation, superior to that of the other 113—

tioos of Europe. When Lord Elgin -left Cortsuity
tinople, the Palace was not finished,;, the outside
walls and some of the cross, walls were, hoverer,
eredcd. His Lordship was succeeded at Constg"-
tinople by Mr. Drummond, who disliked the resi•
deuce in that country so much, that he wrote home
to be recalled, and therefore did not take upon hitr"
self the responsibility of finishing the Palace
however had it covered over, leaving..it..to...N44l
Ambassadors to cornphle it. It was in this sibte
when he arrived. He was then informed by Mr'
Stratton, the Charge D'Affaires, of the stare of the
Palate, and that it was nea essary to complete it, n 5 4
there was not a resict-nce even fit fora Charge
D'Affaires to live in. Under th, se circumstances,
he wrote to Lord Harrowby• for diredions.
Lordship sent him-discretionary orders, as from 1116,
distance he could not giv,e precise ones ;• but desired
him to apprize his Court before large expencti
were incurred.' AS he found that a large soul would
be necessary, he wrote home to Lord Mulgrave,
who had succeeded Lord Harrowby, and sratoi
that, in order to save the public money, he ih"
tended to sell a part of the ground, thout:h
it would be injurious' to the view of the Pa's
lace. He d:d actually agree to sell a part of rite
ground for 30001. His 'Lordship desired him to
complete the building. He was, however, at that.
time; informed of a circumstance of which he vva'
not before aware, viz. that as the ground had been,
purchased by the Porte far a British Palace, it
would probably give ciffence if any part of it were
sold. Under theSe circumstances he, applied to
the persons to whom he had agreed t'o sell tee
ground,. to restore it to him, which of course in
creased the expence. Under these circumstances
he .proceeded with the building, which ceriat-4
was upon a very extensive scale ; but he was not.
leskouslble. for its size, as it had been began and

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Walls built tip by tort tte ‘Votild ttoti,
state the different 'Sums, Which he had drawn far
On this account—he world stars the details if the
House thought it necessary. 1
_Here there was a cry
°f No, No!] The sum drawn for-was large, but
when the House were informed of the immense
• size of this building, the largest he believed inha-
bited by any individual, they would not think it
extravagant. His Honourable Friend opoosite'to
him (Mr. Adair), who had seen the palace, would,
he sure, confirm this par. of his • stetenneo,
and would satisfy the House that the expence in-
curred in the decorations, or furniture, was not
treater than was absolutely necessary. -In addition
to the.
expenceyurtiivhrng of building rasa palace, was that of
; and be was obliged to send for the
Irilitule horn this countrs. The sum necessary
for this Pur poSe (t he expellee Of 'carriage and freight-
. "2gU being very great), amounted to 58.171. • The,
17"chers for every shilling-ot these sums- were de..
)tosited in the* -Foreign Office. He* had to state;
that when his safety was arranged, it was under-
!flood that he shetild &Ida house for him to reside
In without any expelicc.io himself ; but that not
being the
case,
it had been deemed reasonable that
he should he rein-lbw-set( the expellee he was put to
n Procering wie. In this opinion the succeedipg
"ernmenta with
,whom he corresponded concur-
red.
He had in addeinn to draw for a sum of
4101• in consequence ot- the length of time that
Was occupied this country in examining tos ac-
count ; that tam, therefore, became .lue for inte-
rest of
the money advanced by the B tnkei to Con-
sotantinople, before' the money was r,iniffrd tram
thin Britain He-was sure the Hon•e would not
it 41k het that sum should he defrayed by him, •as
s Incurred from the cause which be had stat•-d.
e "ad also to pay iitterest, for other money ad-
ea teed by'his .Banker to him, but he hail taken
hip to ,eparate all the sums that were advanced on
f private account, nom that which was advanced
~7„,the public sete ice The second hcatt \kris that
st 2 Extraordinary Disbursements. The first item
las for M.esengets, 31331. gs. Bd. He did not
for Messengers ; but 'upon I is arr,val at ,Constanti-
th°Ple, he put the estaolishment of Messengers upon
.
tt most economical plan. He did not• permit
fr'e'l"o be upon -the usual' footing of Messengers
; °4l England, but ascertained the expence of their
aca°urrhes, and paid them accordingly. He had' to
()11 a vele extensive correspondence not only
• England, but with Russia, Vienna, Bagdad,
It was
Morea, Albania, and other pikes which
st was not necessary to enumerate. He had also to
tl3te, that in consequence of the great insecurity of .
r 'e roads, lie could s, arcely ever carry on his cur-
' LsPondence by the post, but was obliged to send'
,essettgers. He therefore hol ed the House
°°ld not think. the expence too iarge. Tee
11-:
• ext item he . had to state was that of presents
a't,,
immey agiven to Jigp, anissariec was necessary
state, it a Fore Moister colt in ld not obta an
11'61-we with the Ministers of the Porte without
till'on every occasion pre•enta to %help—
. e sum charged tor this v.-Tose was I 899:. 10S. 50.
might be suppo•ed that as he gave, s+,he also re.
ce.
~.I,`
ed presents in rteurn ; but this was not
1;1", he had never teceied a single ple•ent, except
tov° Pelisses from iii- Sultan; which ea, the cos-
(4l' of tat Court. The orrign Ministers el
ever Courts constantly rereo Fed plesent, lie, hews .
et, liad never done so; but he claimed no merit
0• 41 this circumstance, is his immediate predeces-
r°r' Mr. Dintertiond, -had first put en end to that
h'id also been the custom of the Fo-
, ministers to receive considerable sums of mo-
1--ey from 'hose persons who were wider the protec-
:" of the Mission, but he had never received any
..teh sum ; but here agiin he claimed no merit,
1.11 - Drunimond had aseteabolisbed that praelice,
e had therefore distinctly to state, that although
re had matte pruseitts to others, he never had in a
ogle instance/received one himself. The. next
'ill was 18631. 12s. gd. for the expence of Dragoe
.n
former
times, when our' Missions to
Constantinople were rather of a commercial than a
Political nature, it was the custom of the Levant
Company to pay for the Dragomans. When, how-
!ters our relations with the Porte took another turn,,
Levant Company retuaed any longer to pay the
gDragomans, and that expence naturally fell upon
`zovernment, and he of course wag- bound to pay
.Pe in in the most economical manner that he could.
he various sums he had enumerated amounted to
above 30,0001. not one single shilling of which
trued through his habds. The• Banker at Constan-
nople advanced the money, and he examined the
~;reotahts and regularly, transmitted the vouchers
°'lle. The next item was for extraordinary ex-
r.„,ences. When he went on the Mission, his salary
.was fixed at 6,4521. but he soon found that it was
Impossible for him to live upon that salary, for his
e4PQnces amounted to double that. He immediately
informed his Court of that circumstance. Being
Unable to attend to the details of his establishment,
• : requested his friend the :Russian Minister,
• De Itelinski, to examine the state of his expen-'
lture, and-to give his opinion whether or not it
from M. De Italinski, stating that he thought his
establiShmeilt much too small ; in particular, he
%aid it was deficient in' valets and livery servants, as
greater degree of shew and splendour was neces-
sary in that place. He also added, that as the
Price of every article was daily increasing, his ex-
Pences would anntfally exceed 150,000 piastres,
about [0,0001.] Finding that he could not live
Upon his salary, he wrote home, to state, that
'r his salary was not increased, he could • nut
~re4lain at Constantinople. Another circumstance
ptich increased his expence was, that as Sir A.
get was about to leave Vienna, he, Mr. Arbuth-
- ha°t, was desired to go to that Court to transact bu-
slues; fur him, instead of going to Constantinople
I" a frigate, as at first intended. When he arrived at
I,
ierma, circumstances rendered it necessary for Sir
Arthur Paget not' to quit that Court ; but he had
been put to great expence in travelling over the Con-
:went with the whole of his family, and in remain-
egfor some time at Vienna, where he was detain-
„ While he was at Vienna, he had written to
Constantinople to procure a house, as the Palace was
- not completed; he had also given direlions for pro-
Curing a countryresidence, which was necessary: He
-also gave orders for the proper number of servants
to be engaged. When lie left Vienna to go to Con-
atantinople, he applied to Lord Nelson, who corn-
Manded in the Mediterranean, tor a frigate, but he

• Mild net spate One. The ekrieriCe- whist: he hncl
incurred in travelling across the Continent, and
keeping up his establishment at Constatinople, was
so great; that he found. he had incurred a very large
.debt with- his agent in England, and that it was
irn-
possible to go on with the salary allowed to him;' he
therefore drew upon Government for 5,7321. 4s. 2d.
for his extraordinary expences since his departille
from this country—that was, 19101. a year for the
three years that he was employed upon his mission,
making his whole salary while he was employed on
this mission 83621. a year. •He 'could assure the
House that he had, during the whole time he
was thus employed, lived as economically as
possible ; yet he was under the necessity of
.pending, every shilling of his private income,
besides incurring a debt of 30001., and he was
now actually paying the debts which he had
• there contracled. He was not making any com-
plaints, or loaking for compensatiion. He. could
assure the House he felt more pleasure in detailing
these losses, than be should have in. stating that his
private fortune had received any increase_ from his
public missions. (Here there was a general ory of
Hear, hear ! 'from' all sides of the House.) When
he undertook this assl',n, he had been told that
he was going upon a new service--that they did not
know what salary to allow him, but that care
should be taken that he Should not be ruined. He
had not Ay zone beyond his salary on this occa-
sion, but, if be• were to go into particulars, he
could shew, if necessary, that upon the several
missions on which he had been employed, he had
speet several thousand pounds. more than he had
received He isid not say that he been ruins-d, •
btu he could say that if he had now all the sums
which he had spent upon his missions beyond
the salary he received, he should have en. ugh
to purchase an annuity equal' to the pension he
received from the. country it he were not in oce.
. A Noble Lord, a friend .of his, had'. moat liberally
refused to take the pension allowed'to foreign Mi-
nisiers ; but he would throw himself upon the can-
dour of the House, and ask, whether having thus
impoverished his fortune and deprived his children of
many thousand pounds, tie ceuld be expe6ted to act as
liberally as his Noble Friend to whom lie had alluded.
He had thought it right to mention this fact respect-
ing his Noble Friend, because shone!' he knew it, the.
public did not. He woo d now proceed to state 'he ,
mode he adopted with regard to the palace: being un- -
able to examine the bills iri that country, he direel-,
ed one of his dragomen.to investrgate the aecuunts
and manage the whole of the building; they ,werealso
examined by Mr. Muliet.. He hoped, that from
what he had
_stated, the vouchers, ti'r alt the ex-
pe-ce being deposited in the Foreign Office for every
shilling of the expellee, that it would not appear that.
he had. aCled iocerreelly in the manner in which he
had conduc,ted his pecuniary accounts, or that the
G.vertunent had been over-ready in ,eimbursing the
,60‘,ey-he
,had expended, or-in sani:tioning the ex-
pelJt ehe had incur red. The last h. ad of expendi-
tare to which he wished to CA the atten&ton of the
House, was the compensatioe for his losses. The
sum Was 77q,51. 1 I s, ; and the sum tor his Secretary
and sarvantar, 7941. ts. t Id. making together
8001. vs. 1 id. On the subject of compensation
for losses, when he, stated that the. whole value of
t et!!-t:ts he had at .Constantinople, amounted to
21,0001.. it might he said, that his establishment was
very expensive; but it appeared from thestatement
he had read from M. Dc Italinski, that it. was not
only not a very expensive one, but that it was less
than could have been expeOed. He had expelled to
rem)in at Constantinople a long time, and therefore
had taken 'every possible article, with hiM ; he
would, if the House chose, read the detail. (A cry
of, No, no.)--Mr. Atbuthnet .then read a letter
which he wrote to Mr. Canning, dated fith Novem-
ber, 1807, siatiog, that the amount of the effects
which he left at Constantinople amounted to
11i,4961. It Was impossible for him to state pre-
cisely the amount of his loss, but he _e cou 1 I state that
77001. was as small a sum as could be stated, or
could be expeetad from the pillage that took place
when he left Constantinople. No notice had been
taken of any part of the property which he had lost,
for which he had not the means of producing
vouchers. After he had ascertained that all his
property had been lost, ex,cept his plate, some of his
books, and china, he made an applicatioe to Go-
vernment.to be reimbursed, but he had previous-
ly applied to his Honourable Friend opposite to
him (Mr. Adair), who knew of the la6l of the loss
he had sustained, and who thought he was war-
ranted in making the application. In conse-e
quence of this application, he was allowed 30001,
since the making up. of the accounts. Before he
made this application, belaid all the accounts be-
fore his Hon. Friend, and it 'was not till he got his
assurance that the property was lost, and that he
believed my account a jut one, that he made his
al pplicationfor reimbursement. Having gone through
the whole of his explanation,it might not be improper
to recapitulate what he had stated,

Palace - A:17.26; 2 71
Miscellaneous, conneded with palace 6,327 17 4

E xtraordinaries.

1. Messengers - - - 3,173 9 Si
2. Presents and Janissaries - 1,699 to 56
3. Dragomans . - . 1,863 12 9
4 Extra, E xpences . - - 5.732 4 2
Compensation for myself - - 7,765 11 o
For Secretary and servants . .. , 798 0 o

Total received 45,281 19
Add Exchequer Fees 2,615 5

)7.47,97 5 8.

He was not aware how far the House might think
that a foreign Minister should be compensated fur
his losses, whether occasioned by his o.Nn ad or by
the aas of others. It would be painful to him if he
thought he had been compensated for - any losses
hich might have lien avoided (hear, hear!). When
the circumstances of his d~parture from- Constanti-
nople were mentioned in that House, he had not the
honour of 'a sest in it, and if he troubled the House
with any observations not
.immediately conneaed
with the subje& before them, he hoped he should.
be pardoned for so doing. It was opt his wish to re-
agitate that question, or to introduce any party feel-
ings'into the discussion.. His objeB was to do jus-
tice to others, to take responsibility upon himself,
and -when he felt that he alone was responsible to
offer his own justification, (Hear, Hear!), With
re,speti to his own justification, it would depend
entirely upon the circumstances he 11,td stated to the
House, Upon the review of the whole of his con-
tipta, be believed that he could not .du, other.

wise thin he: ha' (16ne., 4nd . if it were'
to be done again, he should pursue the stint con-
dna. Here he begged to state, that. the instruc-
tiOng which he had 'ultima•ely reeved were from
Lord Grey. Many persons had said to him, that
having received instructions an 1, oheyed them, he
was no longer responsible, but were grounds.
upon which he would not rest his oefenee. Lord
Grey certainly..was not bound to have given him such
fall instructions, but he never wrote a' dispatch from
Constantinople, without calling upon his Lordship to
give him the instrutiions under which he afterwards I

abed. He had suggested the necessity of purtiing
"fhose measures which were afterwards pursued.
He stated, that unless a British squadron were sent
to a& with efficacy at Constantinople, the Court of
Russia would not believe we were sincere in the
common cause. -He should now state short !y.the
causes that led to the-termination of his mission.
As soon as General Sebastiani arrived at Constan-
tinople, (not to go farther back) it .was perc:.ived/
that the Porte, which until that time was willing'
to join, the general alliance, was disposed ,to break
the alliance with Russia A Russian frigate ha' iez
at that time appeared in the Bosphorus, G-neral
Sebastiani declared, that he, could not permit suTh
circumstance, and if- the Porte wished to remain
friendly With France, RusSian ships.must not be
allowed to enter the Boiphorus. At that time the
Hospodars of M ddavia and Wallachia were dis-
placed in violation of the treaty With WAsia, at the
desire of Sebastiani: the Court of Russia ordered the
the Russian Minister to complain'of this circiath-
stance, and to threaten to leave Constantinople if
they were not restored; his application had not the
desired etreM ; he then applied to biro (Mr: Arbuth-
not) to support hiS representation,' which he did, and
after a.negociat ion of 14 days, the H4podars were re
instated. Nothing could be greater than the inflUenee
of the Brit i-h Court at the Porte at 1111 time, 'as
,was found hy the restoration Of the Hospodars.
But about six weeks afterwards, it was ruin cured
that a Russian army had crossed into Moldavia. He
was applied, to by the Ministers of the Porte of this
circumstance. As his obje6l was to prevent a war
between RusSia and the Porte, he prevailed upon the
Turkish Government to wait until dispatches were
received from Petersburg!). He obtained a delay of
three weeks; at ,leneth the Janissaries and Uhl-
mans became impatient, and clamoured for a war
against Russia. The Rnss:an Miekter was then .
ordered to leave Constantinople, and it being sup-
posed thawthe Court of Lo don would adopt the
same conduit as ,lhat of Petersburg!), the influence
of France became predominant. .He had before
this time requested that an additional squadron
-should be sent to Constantinople. Lord Grey
concurred in that opinion, and he received dis-'
patvhei from him to that et-Tea. As soon as ho re-
ceived those dispatches, 'he demanded 'an audience
of the Turkish Ministers, and at that audience re-
quested
that the treaty with Russia should be observed,
and he added, that if his propositions were' not com-
plied with, then Great Britain wonla declare against
the Porte ; they were refused.. He then applied
for -0 isspotts to send messengers to England,and the
Dardanelles, where he expected the English Admi-
ral was arrived, but they were refused. He had
been instructed that Admiral Duckworth would be
ordered to.correspond with him before he proceeded
to hostilities; but be found t hat ,ad communication
was impossible without the pass Ports. It was also
intimated to him, that there was an intention of
preventing the British Admiral from acting, by.keep-
ing the British faMory and hinisell (Mr. A.) as.
hos-
tages; He therefore thought it nr-ecessary to put th
British factory n a state of safety. He knew that
the Admiral would be called upon to act, and that
in consequence of a want of communication With

him, he would not know hOwao proceel. Mr. Ar-
buthnot said, he accordingly repaired on board. the
British fleet, and there endeavoured to carry on the
negotiation. He afterwards received dispatches
from Lord Grey, in Consequence of which he offered
his Mediation with theßuSSiati.General in Moldavia.,
It was- important for him to remove the British fac-
tory, and he could not think of leaving Constanti-
nople till they were-safe. He invited every British
subject on board a British frigate,. an when he.
knew that .every British- subject was on board, then,
and not till then, he embarked wait-
ed at the Dardanelles till Admiral Duckworth ar-
rived there with his Squadron, but they were de,
tained for a considerable time below the Dardanelles;
-in the mean time, the Turks, fortified the. entrances.
He went on shore to communicate with the Captain
Pacha, his only object in embarking bring to secure
the safety of the British subjeEts,• and to :negoti rte
with safety. If he were to be allowed to produce
all the documents, he could shqw that he had
spared no effort to preserve peace. So great was
his desire for peace, that he offered, if they
would discontinue the defensive at the Dar-
danelles, to go on shore, and to proceed to the
Russian General in Moldavia, to negotiate for the.
renewal of the amicable relations that had unfortu-
nately been interrupted. The. Captain Pacha
re-
fused,to suspend the fortification of tire Dardanelles.
•Adiiiral Duck wort hand himself resolved to pass the
Dardanelles.. ThehiStory of that passage was already
known to the House. When they reached the sea
of Marinora his responsibilty no longer existed ;
but lire wind being contrary they were drifted ,to
the Prince's Islands, and it never was in the power
of the squadron to AO against Constantinople. He
was at that time attacked by so severe an tisposi-
tion as to endanger his fife, He would now read
Some letters -from Lord Howick and Mr. Canning
(d cry ff no,- no). Since it was not the pleasure of
the House to hear these letters he could only ex-
press a- hope that the House would 'see by whose &-
ration he It rd aCted, and that his condo& had met
with the approbation of Government. With regard
to his pecuniary disbursements he hoped .the
• House would- be of °pillion that he had 001-le all
that could he required Of him. - He should only
say that- he had not made a single assertion
that was not borne out by vouchers. If any
Gentleman thought that any further explana-
tion was necessary, he would Most willingly
give it, and he assured the House, that there was
no degree' of publicity respetting his condo&, that
he would not anxiously court. [Mr. Arbuthnot was,
at the conclusion of his speech, and repeatedly dur-,
ing the course of it, cheered by both sides of the
House.]

Mr. ADAIR complimented the accuracy with
which his Ri4ht Hon. Friend had made- his state-
ment, and acknowledged that he bad fully justified

his cottrin6k in leaving t onStantit,o2l.3 at-the title.
and finder the circumytances in which he had tett
it. But in defende of
.the Government, he rust
say, that the means entrusted' by them shoe
fully adequate to the performance of ihnse
objects of immense impertance which were
in view,
,He was sorty that they could not
sail up cp.-ea to the walls. Tit vindication Of
the measure at that time adopted be Gove,o,
Ment, he stated it to have been so near acComphsh-
ing its objeet,.that he hal been informed, when .1)0
sqUadiron s.fremed the passa,,,,e of the Dardanel.et,
that the Turks, from the idea they bad formed of .b
impregnability of that passage; were thio,A.n into
the greatest consternation. The alarm was so great
that the Grand Vizier scot to ,General SeA•diat,i t.)
inform him, that he (the Vizier) would not ha 4
his `apital destroyed for his
,(S-bastiani%) sake,.aqd
th,,tetore he must leave 0-tictatitinople. Sebasimut
was obliged to prepare to.obey this rnanda•e, and
gat), to.burn r t.apers, &e. In this si uation of
things; the interference, of the Spanish Anibas.tdor
brought. about a change, and led to those results with
Which the HOuse and the country were already ac-
quainted:
Mr. ARBUTHNOT said he knew the force was
sufficient to. the objett in view) and if there was
any failure, it could not be ascribed to the want of
land forces to act with the sqoadron, but res,c(l
tirely with himself. He had always declared in
private, as he should now in public) that he alone
was to la,c,e, if, blame could attach t 6 any one.
The fleet were sufficient, and the land forces, -he
thought, unnecessary. The. fact was, that from the
time they .passed the Dardanellea, they were tinier
fire four hours, and if the troops %ere landed, he
did not see hoyv it would be possible to take them
on board again.

Colonel BAGWELL said he remembered when

. .
the Right Honourable Gentleman wai Charge d'Af-
faires in Sweden ; the proper and splendid man,
ner in which he supported the dignity of the Bri-
tish nation ; and if his expenses at Constantinople
were as great as they were in that countryi it was
impossible he could have spent less than his estimate,
represented.

Lord GRANVILLE LEVESON GOWER compliment.%
ed the Right Hon. Gentleman on his general con,
dnEt as an Ambassador, And the credit with whieh
he had acquitted himself in different 'Mission, to
Sweden, Pottugal, and Turkey. As to the items
contained in the papers under the head of F.orcign
MiniSters, there was one .such of 60001. in the year
1806, which was received by him ; as to the second
:
in 1808, that was incurred in consequence of his
abrupt disMissaL from Peiersburgh. He was stir,
prised to find the Insurers in Lrondon had charged
25 per cenf..in t he insurance of the different ,rticles,
and he thought it would be hard if the expence should
fdl on him.

Mr. RICHARD VY ELLESLEY Said he could declare
for Lord Wellesley, that no one would be more
unwilling to put the,public to any extravagant ex-
pense,,or to shield himself under that sort of sc=
cresy which was attached to the diplomatic cha.
racter. • Lord Wellesley had gone out on a speCial
commission, and all he received was his own ex-
penditure. The 6,0001. which he was stated to
have. received would be found to be in reality
overstated, The• e?ichange at Seville was very
unfavourable when he 4, rived there, being fourteen
per cent. against England, but Lord W(.llesley had
sold the articles employed on It he mission for the aca
ecitnii of Governnient, and had left some to the
amount of ibool. in the hands of the Commks,oners
at Seville, to be disposed of also,. by whom they
were neglected until the: arrival of the Fre:tch.
Those deductions taken into account, would reduce
the sum to about 12,0001. When the House it.

fiected on the dearness of provisions in that country,
and.the necessity his Lordship was under pf'
keep-
ing a table for all the Otficers,.they wouid find that
this stun did not exceed what was necessary to main-
tain the dignity of this country in the person ot. its'
representative abroad. ,

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER express.
ed his confidence that the House must tie gle,Aly
impressed with the statement of. his Right lion.
Friend (Mr. Arbuthnot), and hoped that as these
charges were so satisfactorily accounted for in .the
cases upon Which explanation had taken place, they
would presume that there was as little ground of
complaint in the others. With respea to the Com-
mittee, he was sure it would a& with a becOtn.

ing delicacy On the iabjeEt, and avoid going into
those m'nute investigations which in his opinion
ought to be avoided. If a Committee was appoint•
ed, the understanding he supposed was, that it should
be apPoirted on the same principle and with the
same powers that were entrusted to Committees bf a
similar nature before. Upon all former occasions,
when an inquiry into'the state oi the Civil List was
thought necessary, no person was called to give an
account of the state of the King's kitchen. If the
Committee, k.n the course of their proceedings,foluid
it 'necessary to call for additional ptiVileges, they
might come to the House for instruCtions. It it
appeared that a palace, such as Windsor, was pro•
per for his Mijesty, it was proper that the necess.ary
expellee should be afforded. If a palace should he
granted to his'Son, it was fair that that also should
fill upon the Civil List,. The same observation
would apply to the apartmenti assigned to other
branches of the Royal Family:
Mr. TIELINEY agreed, that as far as related -to
the expenditure of Foreign-Ministers, it would be
highly improper to lay them before the Public Jeh t
he thought they should not be defrayed out of fief
Civil List, but out of the Secret Service Money. It
appeared that somebody bad investigated the ac-
counts of the Civil List, 'in -a manner in which they
ought not to be investigated ; the inference fro,i
which was, that if proper means were taken,
the expenditure of that List might be ma•erially
lessened. If he was on the Committee, he certain.
ly would not carry with him any little snarrow spirit
of scrutiny, but should merely seek to reconcile the
splendour of the Moharchy with the economy of tie
Public. If at any tithe a new palace was to be
built, he Would have the Minister-Come to 'Parlia-
ment for the purpose. Such a regulation would hit
better both for the Monarch and the people.
Mr. BANKES had no doubt bin the Committee
would conduct itself properly. He thoUght it
possible that the Treasury could contioul alt the Va.
rious heads of expense ; and, therefore, the fit ~t
thing to learn would be_what checks.existede they
would then proceed to asceuain to What extent they
had been acted on. He made some observattung