The Sun.
London, England, 1815-04-25 00:00:00

ALIEN BILL

INIr. BATHURST moved, that the Alien Bill
should he committed. - _

On the question that the Speaker do leave the
Capiiiiii-MtiNeT objected, because he thought
the liili was hurried through the House, and also
because -there was' .no resemblance between-the
situa!ioli of the country at the present period, and
that in which the measure was first introduced in
1792. .He believed the enemy derived more in-
formatiou from our 'own newspapers than ever
they did front foreigners; 1-IC saw noreason for
entrusting Ministers with such eKtensive powers,
and therefore objected to the Speaker leaving the
Chair:

i\II'.BATHURiT said, that when he first opened
the Bill he had informed the HOnSe- the Bill was
almosi verbatiw the site as the last and 4 if it
was proper at all, it was requisite it should pass
with a's much speed- -as possible.- The House had
authoVised the Prince Regent to place the country
in a state of defence as to its fleets and armies,
and surely they-ought to arm the Civil Power with
sufficient authority to guard against such persons
,as might be sent into the country for the worst
purposes, and might be productive of much mis-
chief, He hoped, therefore, the House would
agree to go into the Committee.
Lord A. HaxneToN said there was a great dlr.-
ferenee between the present Bill and that of 1792,
because we were th..ai at war with almost all Eti-
rope, stud now we were in alliance with them. all
except France. He objected to granting such
extensiVe'powers, which bad been abused in the
case Of Mr. fie lierenger and others, and therefore
s;,owld oppose the going into the Committee.
r. AtinINGTON spoke at some- length in sup-
port cit the motion. The grounds in which this
measure was brought forward by his Right Hon.
relation were, the number of Aliens who had
lately-crowded into this country, and the-danger
that tni,.;ht accrue from the want of proper power
to contrail or dismiss them. He could state; from
a return in his pocket from the Alien Otfice, that
hoot hewer than 1600 had arrived since Buonaparte
had' utiorped. the throne of the Bourbons, bid
found their way here, a great majority of whom
came under passports trout the present Govern-
ment. Was 'this no 'ground tor anxiety to the
Government here, and to the country ? Was it'
credible that linonaparte,,so practised in espio-
nage; and who knows our Alien Laws
,as well as
must of the Members of this Muse, wowld not
avail biniself of the'insuffin cieeyof the mihier one,
to pc-pir in his spiesand agents of mischief in coin.
pa:: with those wlio were flying- from France frOm
terror and' hatred of hint fact; he would
assure the "House that many Aliens of a, very sus,
picions character had actually arrived ; some
stroogiv believe7d 'to. have come with a view to
purchase anushis.Service. It was true,.as had'
been bd'ore stated, that its 1192 this measure wa3
inlopted principally with a View .to prevent the
importation of. Jacobins into this country. &it
.
Nva That 41i-e.-case .Whenithe,Bill • was renewed in
1803, %Olen ,Jacobinisin was as completely extinct
as at the: present 'moment ? .It-ntigfit he supposed
that the suggestion foi• reviving it originated from
the Office to -whiCh he het-dived. -This was true;
and what could the motive for it ? Would it
be suspected that those connected with it were so
sick of the comparative leisure that they enjoyed

itti&i. ttae firOent dill, or felt tticit tiii
übsenCe of Weans to t-:iercise that po,Ter of 0.71,it1i
they were muted tobt.to ftn though so often
abustd, was
,to seize With avidity
truce for tenewints the Bill any„blanie At-
tached, it wks for not brlngitig ittorward sooner;
but it was at first hoped that the danger'might be
transient, and that the Prowl, Nation would
have protected itself-IrOm t recurrence of thOse
Tuileries, whitih for twelVe years the pr scat
Usurper had inflicted on them to &degree' unpa-
ralleled in any country, . A-n Honourable Member
(Mr. 'Whitbread), whose opposition had been-so
vehement when the Bill was brought in, but
which had slept on the second reading,. had said
on a former. occasion, that he would support the
Bill, if it could be shown that it gave the power
of discriminating between the good and bad de-
scription of Aliens. He should like to know
what Bill could be furnished by the inventive
genibs of man to icroduce such ;in effect. But it
did the next best thing ; it gave the means of
detaining all Aliens at the ports till their characters
and views could-be properly inquired into. He
was sure that the country was unanimous in calling
for-such a measure.

The House then went into the Committee; the
blanks in the Bill were filled up, and the Report
ordered to be received to-morrow.

NAVY ESTIMATES.

The House went into'a Committee. of Supply,
to which the Navy Estimates %%Tu.: referred.
Sir. G. WARRENDER dill not prop-,se, in the
first instance, to go into a detail on the subject of
the Expenditure of the Navy, hut should be happy
to answer any questions that might be put to him.
The two great heads of the account were-----" the
Fleet afloat," and the '' Civil Service:' in the
first,,in consequence of the altered state of affairs,
there was a reduction of 930,0001. On the amount
of the last year. In the other division of the
" Civil Service," one of the chief items was 'the
Halfpay, which had been anginented by three
causes :-1. The increased number of .per!.ons to
whom it had been extended : 2. The regular aug-
mentation of the Half-pay : 3. The extensive
promotions that had been made in very "merito-
rious departments of the service. The additioual
rewards given to Sailors, Marines, nad Midship,
men, who were to be always employed, if they
.were -so inclined, was also an additional charge.
The whole increase in the Half-pay department
was 436,0001. —7-The next important ctirision
was, the Building and Repair of Ships. In the'
King's yards it would not be expected that there
should he a great 'reduction, hut in the Mer-
chants' yards it ascended to 206,0001. The esti
mate for great linblic Works, such as the Break-
water in Plymouth Sound, and other:s, had beets
lessened to -the extent of 200,0001.--:-. Under the
existing circumstances of the coMary, he' should
feel himself tinder the necessity of reqUiring a vote
of .20,000 additional seamen. and 5000- marines.---,.;
The whole Naval Expenditure of the Country 'of
the last year, compared with the year preceding,
'stood thus :
The Votes for 1814 amounted to £.17,395,415
Those for the present year were 1,2,536,778

MaLing a reduction 0f.:...
He. hoped that -the Hou-se would consider this
statement as giving a very satisfactory view of our
affairs, especially whets it was known- that the
naval means of this 'country had never been so ex-
tensive, or of such 'ready applieation; at•any for-
mer period. He concluded with Moving- a Reso-
lution tor 25,000 Seamen and-Marines.
M.. W. RIDLE'Y noticed several-small items,
and various round sums of exactly 1,0001. He
regretted to-observe a.diminutiOn of the supee-
anuated and compasSioned Lists. He would ra-
Aber have'seen ass increase There, muck as he de-
plored the' necessity. Several of the works now
in progress bad "been begun without' estimoes
,having been previously obtained, as it should ap-
'pear . from the word " uncertain" :being placed
against them, lie also noticed the. expellee hi-
,curred for a new •
Sir G,. WARaeisiThErt Said, the works againSt •
which the word " uncertain" appeared, hinl been
begu►► before the system of obtaining estimates in,
the first instance had been resorted to.
Mr: GORDON.. noticed an itenvof five thousand
pounds for. parish rates, taxes, Untie., 'paving,
&c, with a deduction for fees received. lle.'Wished
to know• what these fees were. He also noticed
the suns of 500/. for the Inspector of Telegraphs,
when he understood the Telegraphs -had been put'
dOwn. lie complained of some irregularities in
the sale of tild Naval Stoics. •

-Mr. CHOKER stated, the sum of 50001. notieed
by the last speake-r, covered such a number of
items, that he thought it would be -matter of stir-
prise that it was so small. The round sums which
hail been spoken of as. singular *in their fre-
quent .occurrence, were the first round 'Skims
under those which had been actually expended for
the same articles in the preceding. year. These
bad all been strictly examined, and he did not
think they could be brought lowier. The item
respecting the Inspector of-Telegraphswas dated
Dec.3l, 1814, and this would account for its
being brought forward here. The telegraphs had
been put down for a short time, hut were now in
a state of preparation-, and would in a few days. be
again in a state of activity. In the sale of old
stoces, he knew of. no irregularities having taken
place. The sales were always fully advertised in
the publicpapers, and all who chose. to
.do so
might attend them.

Sir M. W. RIDLEY observed, it appeared a build-
ing was projected in Bermuda,' which would cost
20,0001. marked '' uncertain." A regular' esti-
mate. of the exl►ence ought to be obtained before
the work was commenced.

Sir G. WARRENDER Said, the estimate-had been
ordered,. and he suppose 4 it to be on its w•ay
home.

Mr. W. Smut' commented on the charge of
600/..a. year for the paymt:s:er of widows' pen-
sions, which was more .4ie 'a provision loran in-,
dividual, titan payment for, such a.dtity; but he
.thought the, Astronomer Royal, who must be a
man of superior science, and supposed to corre-
spond, with similar persons .10 foreign commies,
much underpaid ,s.t. the- raft; stated of 2021. per
HUMIIII, and, 1001.-for an .assistant. lie did not
object to 5001. a year to the Chaplain-General,.
though his duties must be touch less than those of

the Astrolicinier The Yartholttlt 116ipitai
*As way oci)euiii. Built to receive 500 pa-
titiot, it hAd never enntained tubre than 150, and
on the*aterage, from a 0 to 100.
CuokEts, couteoded 8601. WAS. hot too great
ad income fort he Pay:iie.ster of IVidows'' retiiOns
to receive. The still) in the Estimates was paid
to the Asrrodoiner loyal for a nautical alt a-
wick-, and formed but a small part of his emolti=..
_mews. The hospital at Yarmouth, if not ninth
med-now,: before the eXpedition to Copenhagen,
while the Dutch fleet was strong, and Ii ranee had
a formidable tia'val' establishment at Antwerp; at
that time, as the eyes of Great Britain were anx-
iously' fixed on the North, the hospital at
~Yarm-
outh was likely•to he of great importance. 'Had '
that state of things continued, it Was likely that
hospital would have caused a great sairing, not
merely of money, but Of human life, and auy ex-
pellee in. forming-this establishment was 'well' in-
curred, to avoid having recourse to those wretch-
edplaces formerly in use as temporary hospitals.

Mr: GORDON would wish to know whether there
was any diminution in the expences of the inspec-
tion of telegraphs ? There were twenty Clerks
employed in time of war, and surely so many could
not be neeesgary in time of peace.
Mr. BENNET asked, whether the expences of
Captain Usher had been paid, and whether any
pension had been settled on that Officer for his
wounds ?

Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that a satisfactory ar-
rangement had been made on the subject of Capt.
Usher's expenixs.
Admiral flora said, that the pension of Captain
Usher had been proportioned to his rank when
his wounds were received.

Mr. Alderman SMITH said, that it had-_ been
mentioned some time ago, that Captain King bad
been allowed'6o2.l. -for bringing Marsbal BluCber

from Calais to Dover, hut that so far from Cap-
tain Kiiig's having_ received 6001. more than he
ought, that he' could not but be •a loser on the oc
casiun. lle not•- only' brought :over Marshal
Blucher and his suite on that occasion, btit [lie
llkqehrss of Oldenburg a. with her suite, the. Rus-
sian and Prussian Anibassadors with their suites,
and Pririce Llaidenberg:with his suite.
Mr. VONSONITY understood.that Captain King,
in matters of this kind, PA been a great loser.. •
Mr. CHOKER could not explain every little: arm.
ticular ,he believed .Marshal Blucher's name .stOOdi
at the head in this instance, as the first' name taken
dowb.
_ . .

_ . .
WARD.—The Astronorner,Royallads been
variously paid for his services since the i►►stitt►.tion.
by Charic II: from' the Adu►iralty, Ordnance,.enil
Royal Society ; altogether he might receive 7001.
or 180111. 4-year.

nr. D. diDny obscrved,.. that Dr. Masko)*
received hss than he ought ; he had a private tor-
tune, and it was-his-pride to render public service's.

Mr. AVIJITBREAD noticed an article of four
pounds a year respecting rats in Itie, naval depart-.
ment—(a laugh).-1-le feared that the imprcive-
iaents carried into die& dry,individuals were not
taken, advantage of by Government. topes were
Made in the King's docks by manual labour, which
were mat! elsewhere by machine., y,. and better.
He'had seentrucks:at l'ortmouth that would dii7
grace die territory of North America which the
Commissioners' at Ghent -proposed to be cetled.---
PubliC work might be done cheaper and better.
Sir G. tilt(tts:Datt •said, WaS very well
aware that the Hon. Gentleman's (Mr. Whit bread)
remarks were -pointe4 at Him; but be .slienird. be
ready to answer that lion. Gentleman, either in
the I-louse, or any other place. (Criesof order 1)

Mr. SmITH was sure that his .Hon. Friend
Meant notbing personal to the.,Hon.: Baronet iu
his observation_ -
Mr. WHITBREAD was sorry lds Hon. Friend had
t:,l(Cn• the trouble of explaining Ins conduct, as he
,d ii not think it wanted any explariatiQn. He did
not think any thing tlie_Hon. Baronet. had said
was disorderly;• and would wish he had finished:
his observations. He did not see what 'relation
ship the killing of rats had to thg Hon. Baronet.,
lie_ was sure he had not intended any thing oft-en..,
sive to 'any • Gentleman in what he liad said on
the. Subject.
Sir GEoßce SVARRENDER said,• as, the „Hon.
Gentleman -had not int ended. any thinh,., • offensive
to him, he of course must he•satisfied. He 'said
there would be no time lost in taking the improve-
•metits,. which the, Hon: Gentleman had mention-
into consideration. " . .
Mr. WHITBREAD would wish to know in whiat-
state the smne bacon. of Portsmouth Harbour was..
He was -very glad to see the Hon. Baronet's return
to gOod humour.
,Indeed he could •not under".
stand what connexion the killing of rats had,
more than the keeping of cats. with the Him. Bart.
(A laugh.) • . .
Mr. PONSONBY was not satisfied as to the charge
of 41. for destroying the' ratg, .(laugh). There
was another Charge. of 2/. 28. (Or cats., which-he
thought would be suifieiyit to ensure the destruc-
tion •of the rats ! (laugh). This appeared to him
a most monstrous extravagance I. (laughing).

Mr. CnoxEm: --Theonly excuse for these
charges, he supposed, must arise from the rats
being in one yard, and the cats in another (laugh—
ing). There was another circumstance of greater
importance : the Admiralty were particularly de=
shoos of promoting improvements in the-Dock-
yards. What was doing at Sheerness and Cba-'
tham, where a basin' and two steam engines were
constructing, was to be extended to the greater
pirds as soon as conveniertly could be done.
Some conversation then took place between
Mr. Follies, Admiral Hope, Mr. Whitbread, Sir
Joseph YOrke," Captain Pellew, and Mr. Croker,
in which Mr. Whitbread insisted on the supe-
riority of Mr. Haddart's cables ; and Mr. Croker
said, that as soon as they could, be exempted from
the liability to snap, which they possessed, lie
hoped they would.g" cuerally be wade rise of in the
Navy. '

Mr. \VIIITBREAD asked, whether it was in con-
templation to give the Captains of !nen of war
chronometers, which, he said, won'd be of great
use in long-Voyages.
Si, J. YORKE said, that that subject was tinder
the contemplation of the Board oTAtiiiralty.
On the motion of Sir G. WARRENDER, that a
suns not exceeding 354,0001. be granted to his
Majesty for the payment of Seamen for 10 limar!
months, a couversatiou arose between Mr, Whit-

• • h
••r • •
'mead.; Adinir4 Hope, .;1111', Ci'otter;
V.orke; and Lord Nugent, in, which .INl'.-
!ii'f44asked,,Whether it, Was ill COntemiil
shio a more Adecoate
Then; and Adinital hope and Mr. Crolcer
-that,no ships of ever sailed vaht'utitiv 134
beiMplement, of men, thOngh SUch a "`:''sbilj
ours, it could be hat'dly.expectecttfi4 eac'hoio
could be-Manned with such a picked au", , Ole
brew as the or six frigates coinpos'i}rketh
American navy. Mr. Whitbread als6,l4l,Tr.ers
that there was no compensation made I 6
of the Navy for the loss of ex-chango,
Officers of the- Army had an allowance; gilAjoii'
Croker said, that. the First Lord of the .`",icei
ralty determined to put Officers .of both
on an equality in that respect.

. 7
• The nekt Reso•littion was=. L.50,09
For victualling. he Navy
-For Wear and Tea'l;3o°"oo6Ci
For Ordnance Ssr
.1,11 tor
For Salaries and Contingencies,'..;
For Half-pay anti-' . ...... 9`'";°64:P.
On this resolutibn being reati,_ Mr,
said, that the increase of holl.:pay to the h'tioni
of the navy- had hii most cotdial 'oripr"%ti3l
and he thought nothing''' could be more
I W Ib'eet
to the service. .1-le, however, wished it
larger, and had an intention of soon stibinitti P •
proposition do that -subject to the House.
The next Resolution was--, g,t.7g Old
For rebuilding and repairing Vessels....
For Provisions for roops • ' '
T
Mr. AIiBUTLINOTt moved the.failo.w.it4V-1
O°
laneotts Estimates : •• L. D
•

For the Civil Establishments of the Bzilutmas. • • • • '‘
of Bermuda.. ••• • • " "j 0
• •• ' gP•
of Domintea...••• • ••• • .4.0
of Upper Canatla...,• •••-,
'of Noi-a 'Scotia: .••• •• ;creo
_Mr, WHITBREAD asked wasihcre an)? ''
in the ..2xpetices,of this year on this bend
AttBuTHNOT said that 'there ?v',
Ne\viouirdland and IV..ew Brtin'sWiak. • „cregB
Me. GouLittnt NI said. that theresvaf.ao,Poceb
of nearly ;3000/, Owing to ecclesiastical liosg
Mr. GoaDox said, that notwitlistandiugristetr'
allowances, .a negro child would not be cl;
ed there without •.a dollar .a head,. and For
eharge.for marriage, and other things, "'"'s-11
portion. - The next was—. 66,ri
'For the Civil Establishment-of New Batswij;.••! • 211•
-43f-Cape Bretiin . . ....... •-• -.. • • • Se?
Of 'St: now Prince Etrw.a. ....... ............ .. :. • • •.;
Of NeW South Vales !••• • . . ...... 15••
Of Siert a Leone. . .... ............... •• • tie,
For the suffering Frendi Clert:v and .... • 2,°°°'oo
For defraying' interest of Exchequer IJ iis... ..... • slur •
Tor plyingexpences of certain Debentures. • • • • *";
To be paid.loarterly tot he Dir;tors of the Bank, o•
(~0
• Englitud,7towards paving the interest ~if the N'.v. CO,"
tionial Debt.' ' - • .. ... •"• agb
To pay half year's interest oh Debentures, under the
5:140f-tYii; ... ........ • .
ql,
t 0
TopltS, annuities wider the.:iit-I;a.nd 4itlk of the I••ii4 ted
On the'Resolutipit that 6,0001; 'be gi-a" ror
defray the .CompensatlOn to tile Conunitglo.,,
ev(l
pointed tinder.the 46t.1i•0f his AllajeitYf°';'„,;ol
',lig into h e state of Witolsor Forest, a. It
tion arose'beta:•eeriMt.. lA.Brtili; the Tier.
-lor Of the Exc'beque'r, I. Whitbeeild; Mrc
ney. and 'Mr. liose:, at the close .
O Ycl". I, tli4
AV t hreafrl ..expreSSed liis`' ihteiitiott,l►Q cog'
' io
flouse should hii've •(
•of .t4ie commission. The resolution s?'l7oreir,
agreed to?—The next wa5175,000/. for
-secret services for the
,year 18h5. ' exc,l,o
,
Mr; I R that
ed that usually granted for thk,:c. 5e1";-1..011'()1.
House only knew that
.patt of it had c' .
ed 'ltting"..:Bitonaparte e•s•Capic..'
. • t the
Mr. WHITBREAD i'as•tilio ast6nislio, ,oca,!
• r
..crease, as at no time had the secret:3.o- ,
:been so Well.ke t ' •
p , a ncontowni r ill. a os.
it
The A NCEELOE of the Exc Eauth coo igs
derstomt to Teniark, that it 'ChWat-as' reose
;shoved at least the. necessity of ..au ,i"citocto4
that department- But `the tact tet►s' ricer oli
•,•ivliole of tht..- son) 1001. poi yet heel). '1) oolUti
this ground it was understood tizat tbe
the
•AVas postponed..ffa
. • -The next. consisted
en nf-`79
-extr.c
a' charges for Mess ei ,OOtaebed
the
.s di
cretaries of Suite. 6 i• 01;
•
'After some einiversatiOn betsswel?
-AB RREBAUDT,I
oe
aAnNdC
rL. Off,
was agreed to. 'to his'ir
On the last; that 21,,006/. be'r, orislltC-:- tee
-jesty, to defray.thecOutingeticies -Of t,,,a
fi
tarry of State's: office,: sonic enoversa
passed between Mr. TiEIiNFA, .t\li'•••1111P 01;;S..
• Sir MATTHEW AV..RIDLE, .111 r.
Apnl&
,
and Mr. HENRY M'
M'ARG'IN •
,after. t 'l)ic
•
agreed to. • , ' • • it tit
•:t
Mr. WHITBREAD then asked.. Wilt her
-tended to.move a grata of '9OOOI. io ' •
complete the purchase of an estate for li,c,E.
•son's family.
, dile.
Mr. usniNGTON replied, twit loblj,
would n L
ot cOm 011 aebut pru (10
IVednesday.. - • • the gi'
111r.WIIITEREAD stated,- tbafOoe s, ti° tine
On which lie-should'oppoSe't his grout ore,
estate !fad already been found. cOnii4.cb
sinty bestowed' by Pa-rliament, a.na ,f tb1:01.3
;derstood had stet the pprc>l)3lll)':',.(so4
licitur of.the'freaSurs and of, the •ei'"
obj
Nelson himself: • tllie °
Mr. Rosa should he.prepared. %vheo ,fool'
canie,before.the House, to • state. the, bgr:ipt, 1/,e;
"the-prOposition tilt§ •ne`.l'-',‘ll,ltlie.eiOL
founded,. The House. then' resunied, 'l3-c.fo.
11
port of the CoMmittee was ordered t° 051 • •oot
to-tnoer,ow: - G'°"
Mr. WHITBREAD moved for a cf-tp)'°f th tett°
Eat I Yarmouth, C. Nash; and c.•Bicknell• C fie
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIELIVP
•., •
motion, as coming on the House Icy Surpi.it
Mr. WEJITHILEAI) then tvithdrew•th,,Au•qti°n etc
o;-, Se t
Sent, giving iiotic'e that should ktriog
day. -
The other Orders of the day were thetl dts~•
journed. . •

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On the 22d inst. at his inkuse7 H,an'••"'"%rson, -
Lady of Major-General Sir Winiain
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On the 19th inst. atSotit?):ll:!.ia.V-I.3r`Ocl';lotlijo
Samuel Sandys, in the 71st y6ar of lii"g`'.leir' tiLlo'
On Saturday last; at the house of hiA tin-c ' Aleoil34stli
Hertford-st i•eet,•ih .the 28th year. of his agAl,(l..°
•glas, Esti. son.of the late Wilhant

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