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London, England, 1841-09-22 00:00:00

IM PE RIAL PARLIAMENT

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at the usual hour.
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. SOUSE OF
the Chair Sept.'
The SP;
The Earl . -il-A-tt .2', for North N •
ottingham, and Mr.
7 AlKisEltAgoki . ,
BusFIZLD for """ °I -1, took the oaths and their z;eats.
.A. Messenger from- tae Treasury b
roulit up a corre-
spondenceye. tO the immigrati
relati ell- of Hill Coolies in
the West Indies.
i',fr. GREEN: Ca Presented a petition from Wigan,
ni
praying the Hoc set, ) adopt ~,,.c,
.res to prevent the'de-
secration of the Bali. Jath.
Mr. P. M. S Tra
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i
presented a petition from
p,ispy, priying tb-eT.A. douse not to disperse
without hav-
ing previously t teed the existing distresshe in the country
T in`, their serion s consideration. lion. Member ,
gave notice that 1 te should call the attention
to the sui;ject to- morrow, on the motion for going into
Commiwe of Sul iply.
tilt. Av. CLAY presented a irstieon from the Protes-
tant Disseaters of ' I fackney ''l.
against. the Corn-laws.
Mr. WAICLEY ' pre vented
iv
suss,
x,
prayi w f
,t‘
the petition from Pateham
repeal of the Poor-law
2 menfinaLnt Act.
ELF !Tit -)N PETITIONS.
/-,E ' NEI ~ after having•
The • L announced to the House
ts forth. •
tact the s, ‘Teti, e. prosecution of the petitions
oda, ' re, '.urn ; fin- the County of
Flint,ois com-
plaining of i; the
Cot :IV of Kerry, the Con
County of Colic, th. 2
Botot.,V ' of Kinsale, had been County
of
Louth, and the
take r: ported
to be unobjeetio.nable, sm., 1, that he would
-p„,-;11:--ti.ty of callh Ig• the at • :ention of the House t 6 the )1")-
gui,t,i,.,3,,-; respectitg the , aypointment of Electitto 04;e:
mittem On the S.`ll of tin smooth he had laid on the-
tlhle his
warrtzlt no.nainatini ; six gentlemen to serve on
That warrant had now been on the
Election Conunkt,tjes.d.urir,g-. which the House had sat
table for three days, ithout any h; ; o.„,ect,onihaving
for the despatch Of us.!°:'''s. .
Ithlt
t. -or
12quently, according tto ,the
been made to it, it,tment, his choice had been
provisions of the Act of Pat. r, ordinaryf Circumstances
confirmed by the House. Una, ' •ty or the meetin•rbf the
he should have appointed an early u . , . Iso nominated might
Committee, in order tli lat t iegentlemt... ter- ; but under-
. .
1 proceed to the discharge of their du, 'Tmis? to gost.,
standing that it was the intention of till •
pone the consideration of the elec.' ."8
IThtint''
6.:
after Christmas, he thought he shouldi) de- best'p
ems'''.
etl" r
the convenience of the House and of the gentlemen no-
minated to serve if he were to ,olsltfohne their first meet-
ing until that day monththe permission of
the House, he would fix;arid, day. '
that
month for thoeidigfirSt
y veering according] • . ,

NOTICES OF IltfriON.
Sir C. NAPIER gave notice that he would move
nextSesion that an humble address be presented to her
Araiesty, praying she would be pleased to give directions
that a naval officer be placed over the Navy as ofageri
were placed over the Army and Ordnance; lawyers aver
the Law Department, and churchman over the Church.
Mr. P. M. STEWART gave notice that before.'Ahd
House going into a Committee of Supply he would Move
that the distresses in Renfrewshire should- be taken into
consideration.

Sir P. POLLOCK gave notice that he would move
for a Committee of the whole House, for the purpose of
granting an annuity to any Vice-Chancellor who might
be obliged. to VaC2lO his seat in consequence of an Act
gassed during the present Session.
Dr. 410 WRING gave notice that, in consequence of
an objection on the part of the Vice-President of the
Board of Trade to the former part of the motion of
which he had given notice, he would move that an
humble address be presented to her Majesty, praying
that she would be pleased to direct that a return be made
of the amount of taxes levied directly on land in the dif-
ferent States of Europe, as far as the same could be ob-
tained; and also fur the rates or amount of the monies
and measures of the different States in British monies and
measures. Also for a return of the proportion of direct
taxation on land to the value or rental of the land in
various countries.

Sir G. CLERK moved for the several sums under the
4th and sth of Victoria, forming the Navy, Army, and
Ordnance fur 1841 and 1842 ; also for a supply to meet
the sums and deficiencies granted to discharge the out-
standing Exchequer Bills.
Sir 'l'. WILDE wished to know from the Right Hon.
Baronet (Sir R. Peel) what he intended to do with re-
spect to the motion of whick he had given notice ?
Sir R. PEEL said, that he certainly considered the
acceptance of office by the Right Hon. Gentleman the
Chancellor for Ireland was a bona fide oile, but whether
that constituted a vacation of his duty as a Member
of Parliament he would not discuss on the present occa-
sion. However, he was of opinion, under the cir-
cumstances, that he would be acting in conformity with
the usages of the House if lie conceded to the motion,
rather than oppo3ed it. He did not know how the ques-
tion of law stood, but he would, he thought, be best con-
sulting the interests of the House by not opposing the
Hon. and Learned Member in moving for a writ, but he
would not do so himself.
Sir T. WILDE said, he thought the principle on which
his Eight Honourable Friend was proceeding was the
result of a hasty impression. He thought the principle
laid down by the Right Honourable Baronet was preg-
nant with danger. It had been decided since the
statutes of Anne that any person having ac-
cepted an emolumentary situation should vacate his seat.
If the Crown were to give a promise of an office which
was held in terrorem over a Member whilst he had a seat
in that House, it would be fraught with the most mis-
chievous consequences. He begged leave to move,
therefore, that a writ be issued for the election of a
Member to serve in Parliament for the borough of Ripon.
Sir R. PEEL said his writ was not issued until his
patent was in his hand.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that his writ did not issue
.until he Inul kissed hands.

Sir T. WILDE—A very agreeable ceremony, but
amounting to nothing. •
Mr. C. WOOD said the last case which occurred,
came before the house about a year and a half ago. It
Was that .of Mr. Wynn. The doctrine laid down by
the flight Hon. Baronet was clearly and distinctly at
variance with the decision of the Committee in that
case. , In the case of Mr. Wynn, when the Com-
mittee refused to issue the writ, there Ives no
pretension Ivbatevcr for saying. , that any in-
strument had been prepared or issued until long
after the election. If the view taken by the Right Hon.
Gentleman yesterday, that the seat was not vacated till
the completion of the formal instrument was correct, it
was quite clear that the lion. Member might have taken
his seat, as in the case of Mr. Wynn ; but Mr. Wynn
stated distinctly, that he considered his appoint-
ment to date from the receipt Of a letter from
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the purport of which
was that the appointment should be made forthwith. But
nothing was dune upon that. No formal instrument was
in couse of preparation until the month of September,
some time after the election took place. In that case Mr.
Wynn had not accepted the office subsequent to his election.
He was merely anxious that some step should be taken
in oreer to determine what did or what did not constitute
u •11 an acceptance of office, because if the Right Hon.
Member for Itipon was correct in what he advanced yes-
terday, a man might sit for months after his acceptance
of office, and of course would be subject to all the influ-
knee of the Crown, whatever it might be.
Sir ROBERT PEEL did not concur in the opinion
expressed by the Right Hon. Member for Ripon
yesterday, that the completion of the patent was ne-
cessary , before a new writ was moved for. He
would have no objection that there should be an under-
standing that when an office was tendered to any party in
writing, and was accepted by him also in writing, it
should be considered such an acceptance of office as
would vacate a seat in Parliament. He thought there
ought to be some, record of the transaction, and that it
should not rest uPon mere conversation. In Mr. Horsman's
case there was no doubt that he had written to his
constituents that the office had been offered to him in
such a manner that he had no hesitation in ac-
cepting. it ; yet he voted after the date of that letter, and
the. House had not thought proper to interfere.
Ile acceded to the motion for the issuing of the writ
in the present instance, as the instruments were so far
advanced as to constitute an acceptance of office.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL doubted whether it would
be proper to come to such an understanding as that
a writing should be necessary to constitute an ac-
ceptance of office. The Right Honourable Baronet
the Member for Dorchester, and others filling high
' offices, of course kissed hands upon their acceptance
of office, hut the minor officers of the Government
were not introduced to her Majesty—they were merely
inFormed by the Right Hon. Gentleman, that her Ma-
jesty had been pleased to appoint them to the Board
of Trade, or the Admiralty, or otherwise, as
the case might be. Generally speaking, there
were no writings connected with such appointments.
However, as the motion was unopposed, it was unneces-
sary to prolong that discussion.

The 'motion for the issuing of the writ was then
agreed to.

THE PROROGATION.
Mr. VILLIERS begged to ask the Right Hon.
Gentleman Et question, an answer to which would
be fur the convenience not only of Honourable
Members but of the country. He wished to know what
would be the probable duration of the prorogation
whenever it took place ? reason for asking
was, because a gentleman who sat on the benches
I Will the Right Hon. Baronet was reported to have
said that nothing which had fallen from the Right Hon.
Bart. could lead them to suppose it would be till February.
Sir R. PEEL really had had no confidential commu-
nication with the Hon. Member to whom allusion had
been made, and he did not even know to whom the
Hon. Member for .Wolverhampton alluded.
Mr. VILLIERS—I mean the Hon. Member for
Finsbury.—(Roars of laughter.)
Sir R. PEEL could assure the Right Hon. Member
that he had had no communication with the Hon. Mem-
ber on the subject.—(A laugh.) • The Hon. Member
must see that it was impossible fbr him to state to what,
precire period Parliament would be prorogued.
Mr. VILLIERS did riot refer to any communication
e
made by the Right Honourable 'Baronet to the
I on on ra e • Member for Finsbury. What he referred
to was an observation of the Honourable Member
from
Finsbury, who .had said that nothing 1
to suppose that the nest
the Right, HonourahlemeeTinrgon(extratroiLli;eandt anybody
to
tCiOonlattoetill:e Bliaeronheatd: therefore,bee ruelqttht ces
rtsooveind.order that any doubt
heardon havingt
aifysubject
011: igolft tt
hbaet
Sir R. PEEL had nevercries
"Hear, hear")—
nature put before—(Loud
mber,.vould see that it was one
and the Hon.
ahreliclueldntgiwvoeualdn
daenpseun'ear.uTpohiel
present it was impossible to
periodtohi which it itthe was
meetinglie— impossibleo fr
circumstances which at

fon- •
111 r. VILLIERS believed the Right Ron. Bart. bad
said that if no extrnordinary circumstances had occurred,
the ordinary period for the meeting of Parliament
would be the one to which it would be prorogued. The