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HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 26.
A Message from the Commons brought up the Howth and
Holyhead Harbour Bill, and the various Bills for the Amend-
ment of the Criminal Laws, viz. :—The Convicts Labour, the
Felonies Repeal, the Sentence of Death, and the Larcenies
Bills, which were severally read a first time, on the motion of
the Earl of Liverpool.
LONDON BRIDGE.
Lord ELLENBOROITOH presented two Petitions against
the London Bridge Bill in its present form, one from the inha-
bitanti of the parish of St. Magnus, as we understood, and the
other from the Mayor and Corporation of London. 'The Peti-
tioners prayed to be heard by their Counsel against the Bill in
its present form ; and the Noble Lord declared, that though he
improved of 'the building of a new Bridge, the request of the
Petitioners to be heard by their Counsel, in a case in which
their interests were affected, was too reasonable to be denied.
The Earl of LIMERICK presented a Petition from an OfV.
cer of the Court of Chancery of Ireland, against the Irish Court
of Chancery Bill.
SINECURE PLACES.
Earl GROSVENOR said, it was to be wished the Rouse
and the country should be put in possession of full information
as to the Sinecure Offices which yet remained, and the regula.
tions which had been made as to their abolition. The returns
befortrthe House were as yet very insufficient. He wishetValso,
if it were possible, that there could be some information as to
the offices which, though not absolute Sinecures, were at least
so .near Sinecures as to make it desirable that they should be
abolished, and that less exceptionable means should be put in
the hands of the Crown of rewarding great Officers of State.—
The Noble Earl (sonic of whose remarks were inaudible below
the bar) alluded to the Offices of Clerk of the Parliament, and
Clerk of the Pleas in the Exchequer Court in Ireland. HO
moved for returns of all offices in the appointment of the Go-
vernment paid by fees; of the average of the emoluments of
all such offites from fees and their salaries ; also of the offices
to which salaries were paid and no duties performed.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he knew of no such offices
as those described in the last motion.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE observed, that even in those
offices which the Noble Mover had mentioned, the officers hail
an important duty to perform, viz. that of appointing the De-
puties.
The two first returns were ordered. The motion for the last
was negatived.
Lord KING presented a petition from Mr. R. G. Butt (simi-
lar to that which was presented by Mr. Hobhouse to the House
of Commons), complaining of his having been detained in pri-
son after he had tendered the payment a his only debt, viz, the
defendant's costs in two actions he laid brought against the late
Sic N,•ConanG . •
The St. Petersburgh Marriage Bill was reaila, second time.

PPEA LS.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL, in calling attention, according
to his notice, to the Report on their Lordships Appellant Jurise
diction, which had been laid on their Table, said he did not
propose at.present to go further than to bring in a Bill, which,
according to the usual courtesy of the House, would be reed
a first time, and would be taken for discussion at some future
stage. It became natural, however, in bringing forward this
proposition, to state what circumstances had given rise to the
Report, what principals had governed the proceedings of the
Committee, and what measures they recommended. In lin 3
the quantity of appeal business before ,the House had in.
creased so far that different measures were brought under coa-
sideration to facilitate the administration of justice. The
measure then adopted was quite novel. Their Lordships de-
termined to sit during the whole of every Session three days a
week, from ten to four. It was satisfactory to know, thatwhae.
ever difficulties they still laboured under, this Houie had so
nothing to blame itself for; it had steadily acted upon that
resolution at Kane personal inconvenience, and with as few
exceptions as could by any one have been thought practicable.
—(Hear, hear, hear !)--ft appeared, howeVer, if they. looked
at the state of the returns, that they had not been able, as
he might express it, to overtake the bueiness, which had
grown as greatly in arrear as it was (he bellevftl) in 1813.-e
If they looked to the returns in the 'Appendix B, there had
been since 1814, 570 Appeals ; 426 for Scotland ; 58 for Eng,.
land, and 84 for Ireland. The Appeals now remaining for hear-
ink, were 131 from Scotland, 27 from England, 4.1 from Ire:.
land, 3 from \Vales. Total, 225. It was evident front We
Mere list of causes, that the whole of the evil of the arrears pro,
ceeded from the Appeals from Scotland, which were as five or
six to one, to those from England.: how large this dispropor.
tion was, might be appreciated when. they considered the ex-
tent of the population and wealth of Scotland, as compared with
England and Wales, or England and Ireland. The whole. let'
the Appeals from England were not more than five in a year,
to which were, however, to be added the writs of error, .but it
was well known that the greater proportion of the writs of error
never came to trial.. They were not above-nine or ten in a
year. The Appeals from Ireland were a few more,' nine or tin
in a year ; but the Appeals from Scotland were nearly forty a
year on the average. Not only were the Scots Appeals the
most serious in number, but also in duration. The Appeals
from Scotland, therefore were the cause of the grievance, and
the judicial business of the House would be got through but
for the Appeals from that part of the kingdom, without any dif.
ficulty whatever. Not only would the effect of getting under the
appeal business in the House be great, or the due administration
of justice in appeals, but its influence on the other Courts of Jus-
tice would be most beneficial, especially on the Court of Chan-
eery, from which the distinguished individual at the head. of it
was withheld for so large a portion of his time by his attends
arm in that House. As they saw the cause Of the evil com-
plained of distinctly before them, the question presented iteelf,
whether it would not be possible to remove die Scots Appeal
business altogether from the House ?—whether it would not be
practicable to establish another tribunal to take cognizance of
Scots =sew? He had no difficulty in stating, though it waehiS
own individual opinion which he now delivered, not that of the
Committee, that with respect to the removal of Scots Appeals
from that House, he saw not only no objection to that mca
sure, but many forcible reasons in support of it. What wee
the case with these appeals ? That House had to decide in
dernicr resort, on a law of which in theory, they as English
Peers knew nothing, and which was as diflerent from the law
of England. as was the law of any foreign vountry He knew,
indeed, that his Learned Friend on the Woolsack (the Lord
Chancellor), who had hail long experience in those appeals,
dteided questioned Scots Law a:mita to the satisfaction of
the people of Scotland, as ho did English questions to the sa-
tisfaction of the-people of Englandae( Hear l)—But except his
Learned Friend who had nearly thirty -years experience, and
another Learned Lord not now in the House, Lord Redesdale,
and two or three Gentlemen at the Bar, who had turned their
attention to this law, the whole How, the whole Bench of
Judges, and the whole of the Bar, were as ignorant of the
Scots as they were of any foreign law. Looking at these
circumstances, and at the difficulties under which the House
labour* and at the complete cure of the evil which
such a vieasure would effect, he thought a plan for reliev-
ing the House from Scots Appeals, and erecting a special
Trilliuml for their decision, would at some future time be
most desirable. There were, however, difficulties in the way
of its immediate adoption. In the first place. the opinion
or prejudice in Scotland was very strong in favour of leay.
ing the appellant jurisdiction in the House of Lords. The
people of Scotland were perfectly satisfiedwhii the manner in
which Appeals were at present decided, and would look to any
measure to change it with considerable. disfavour. Anotie r
reason was, that if they came to a determination to remove it o
Appeal business from the house, they could not -make this
measure apply to Appeals actually pending t • and the time
necessary to get rid of these Appeals, under the present
system, would be very considerable. Their Committee had;
therefore, looked out (Or other- remedies. There were many
causes which made tire difficulty of Scots appeals superior
to that of English ones. In the English law the farm of
the pleadings-, was so precise, that it was easy to determine
whether the differences that arose were questions as to matter
of fact, questions of law, or questions of equity From this
precision also, it was easy to know exactly -the points of law
on which decision was to be had, and a point once decided
became notorious to the profeasion, and known to a certain-de.
-gree to all the- subjects of the country,- so that there was not a
temptation tit litigate appeal. It appeared ,to the-Committee,
that-if a complete revision look place of the system of plead,
ing In Scotland, so as to render tt simple and precise, and if,
instead of by writing, the at-gm-tithes weraconducted -orally,
a considerable retiree of annplication and uncertainty would
be removed. He should say snore than he intended if he gale
the- House to believe that even this Reform would effect all
that 'was to be desired ; but the Committee bad- no liesitatien

in recommending the appointinent of a Commission to investie
gate this subject, and they hoped from such a Commission a
Report at no dietant time. At any rate, Such a Commission
could do no harm, for a considerable time must necessarily
elapse before the appeals actually before the House were dis-
posed of. The, first measure then which the Committee pro-
posed was a Bill for the appointment of thia Commission, to
' which should be referred the inquiry Which he had. described.
The more pressing piestion remained;--what was to be done
with the existing arrears of Appeals, which even ifehey made
up their minds to divest themselves of Scots Appeal business, in
future they could not get rid of it, at least without thenconsent
of the parties. He had mentioned the determination which the
House had some time ago taken to sit three days in the, week
on appeals. They saw no way of getting rid of the arrears
but by increasing still further the number of days of sitting.
Instead of three days the Committee proposed to the House
to determine to sit five clays. It had been in contemplation
to propose to sit six days a week, Nit thcisc who were best
aware of the degree of labour which Could be excited in judi-
cial business thoUght five days enough ; and, indeed, it was to
be considered that in that House tune was not :(as much tine
in other Courts was) bestowed as' matters of course, but was
entirely occupied with the most imperteint causes (as cases in
which appeals were preferted naturally *ere) Which demanded
a continued stretch of attention. In making a regulation for
so many days of sitting, it woultieb necessary that some corn-
polsory regolition should be adcred to enforce attendance--a
regulation, however, which need not be very galling when it
was known that taking the same latitude of excuses as in the
case of attendance on the Bill of Pains and Penaltiee against her
late 31ajesty, each Peer would only have to attend two days at
the most, or it the Session was not long, only one day each Sege
sion, and he might even then, if the particular day for attend-
ance were inconvenient, get any other Lord to attend as his sub.
stitute. The question then arose who should sit as Speaker of
the House to perform the judicial duties which were now per-
formed by the Lord Chancellor A great object also was to
make an arragement; to enable. thai Leaned Person to devote
a greater portion of his time to the Court of Chancery. It was a
satisfaction to him (tlicEarl of le) that in the measure 1 lehad now
to propose, there was no new principle involved. His 31ajesty
was accustomed to appoint one or more persons to fill, in case
of necessity, the office of Deputy Speaker of the House of
Lords, and it was known that the Chief Baron of the Exchee
quer was first, and the Chief Justice of the Court of King's
Bench second. It was known also that to perform this office
it was not necessary that the Lord Speaker should be a Alem-
ber of that. House, and it was also ivithin the competence of
the House to give the Speaker not being a Member of the.
House the right (nut to vote, for that they could not give,) but
to declare his opinion, and reasons fir it, on-any vote—
A Noble Lour, from the Oposition Bench said, his opinion
is required as a servant of the douse; he has no right. -
The Earl of LIVERPOOL continued.—ln using the word
" right," he had used an improper expression ; but the
House, for its own
.purposes, might give the Lord Speaker
the power of declaring his , opinion. It was then proposed, ,
in order to enable thelouse to sit five days each week on
Appeals, and to enable at the slime time the Lord Chan-
cellor to devote more of his time to the Court of Chancery.
He knew there had been other modes Suggested for accomplish-
ing the same. purpose ; ' as, fur instance, by taking away sonic
of the business now executed. by
.the Lord Chancellor, but
not necessarily (he admitted) belonging to him as (Chan-
cellor; and the business of Ltinatics and Bankrupts was .re-
ferred to. The businels of Lunatics was, however, so im-
portant and delicate, and that of Bankrupts inVolved res-
tons of property so considerable, the decisions too being in the
Wit resort; that very cogent reasons Should be adduced before
they were separated tone the chief judicial character. Pot
the most convincing • objection -was, that Stich a measure
would not grant the relief reqeired, for the 'number of daya on
which the Chanceller would be thus set free, would not
be totally insiillicient the business of Appeals. Another
proposition was to &Tante the office of Chancellor from that of
Speaker' of the House 'et: Lords. There were most powerful.
and weighty objectione to any measure by which an officer Of
such antiquity, dignity; and utility, might be frittered away.
ThoSe, too, who coincided, that the appointMent of a Vice-
Chancellor had a tendettey to Create an accumulation of busi-
ness, by the appealsdiatJudge to the Chancellor, would
foretell, also, and truly, that .by separating the, persons of the
Speaker of the House of Lords, and the r,* Chancellor, they
should bring on therneeli es an additional load of business.,• Be
saw, therefore, nu other made of relieeing them front the ar-
rears than that which lied been proposed, unlesi they relieVed
themselves from the Stiets Appeetes eieereiher,---a step at any
rate not inOnediarely impracticable. TheNolde Earl conchul-
' ed, by laying o'n the table a Bill, for appointing 4 Commission,
to inmitre 'into the law of Scotland, of which he moved the first
reading.
The Eafl of CA lINe'ellVON objeeted to' the appointment
of a Dev Speaker us novelty which Was not likely to be
attended with anyeide-antage, alit', ridiceled the idea of being
directed in their opinions by a person not it Member of that
House. As to the elivise Which made attendance cempuleory.
L. never could be effeetiee
a cause,, and three tliflleveit Peers the 'text day would hear the
tilleleorfsnidnentanpudistilnenteilrmasinneeroti4l
; . thiee Peers weidd hear one side of
I ou se,
but it was for the purpose or creating a tribunal who should
certainly
aidnii)ipierfpnveteielne
ntifichre rind.
hear the whole matter, but this was a compulsion to tiring up
Peers froM their counties in order to art a part in one of the
most ridiculone farCes that could be 'acted. The Bill wase in
fact a surrender of' their privileges into the 'mile of a person
who was not It Member of their Heese, and as he (Lord Car.:
nerven) had no knowledge or
.SOOl, law, he was the more
The Epwnarhsliosotweflaslllt Ozv;
o,SittShal4:‘;:etin :111,)er,rflec. ntxiteclieertic,l.
isothrtehetet.
anxious to avoid undertaking what did not understand.
rnendation of the CoMmittee, and maintained that it was pet-
iii,e,.oellvreid,lpfoOlciurnhtgecatanitotial:ell),:i.hroecarlTofweila:lftee
Sfeiliti.e4aYke re
a deputy would be appointed, and
ttlhiaiitbatisinLoeredii le:et:tiers:lPa
gO on ; a Lord Keeper, was alipointed, the'3llloetni.:ibieresmobfertshaat
House would Still continue to e
history of the country would slide.
Lord Chief Justice, and a Lord Chief Baron,
the Ilottee, had acted as Speakers, and he would rather that
attendance should be compulsory titan obtained through the
solicitation of the parties. At the time of the Union the ap.
pellaut jurisdiction of the Scotch Parliament was transferred
to the /louse of Londe, so that the !louse containing the body
of Scotch Noblemen cupid tun be supposed in theory ignOrant
of the law 'of that coautry any more than of the laws of
England.
The Earl of CAR NA RVON, in' explanation, said, that if'
the compulsory clause was confined to the sixteen Scotch Peers,
much of his objection would be removed.
The Bill WAS then read the first time, and was ordered to be
read a secend time on Monday.

The other Bills were then for wariled in their reqceoe stages,
Ittld the House adjourned.

'HOUSE OF COMMONS.

petition from Llangottlin and
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ti..(prtayinPggtern'l a
gredual Aholition of SleverY.—
Laid t Colonel
on aece
the
l,) )D rc
Mr. Alderman 'WOOD praented a petition from St. Pancras,
against the Gas Light Establishment on the table.
Air. Alderman C. SM TII presented,a petition from St. Al.
ban's, praying for the Reduction of the Duty, on Leghorn
straw...--ordered to he peintol.
The Post Horse Duty. Bill, and the Prison Regulations Bill,
went through a Coniniittee.—lleport to,..nlorrow.
The Poor Setticmcr,t Bill was ordered to be committed this
day three months. ,
The Exchequer _ Bills Dill was read a second time, and
ortt-r,:tl to be committed to-morrow.
The Disembodied Alilitia Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed to-nmrrow.
• LOTTERY.

The 'louse Went. into Ommutittee ou the Lottery contr,is.
sioners' Salaries awl Allow4nces---Report ou the Act to.
106170 W.
OLIVE, CALLING nrnsiair PRINCESS OP Cir,Nl.
t liEli.I4Al9,

Sir GERARD NO} la gi4V PetiCes would to.4morrow
nresent a Petition from Princess Olive. of. Cutriberlantl, pray-
ing. trit %be may be heard by her Agent .at the Bar of the
pr,senivil a Petition from two irop Parishes
- a that he
'louse in support of her claim.
Mr. CURTEIS
in susux, comphioing olAgrieultural Dit:tress,--Laitl on tile
Table. . .
PrsTILLATIoN.

On the Motion of Mr. K. DOUGLAS, a return was ordered
of tho quantity of Spirits distilled, and the quantity seized in
Enillao,l, for the years 1021, 1822, and ;823.
o! pIEIIy' .c.ND MILORS' LETTERS.
On the. Motion of lXn COURTENAY, the Adjourned De-

.Mr. BROUGHAM thought the best way would be tb with-
draw the petition, and leave the petitioner to press iti being
presented next Session to the House, should he persist in doing
so, with the foreknowledge that the Hon. Member had contra-
dicted his assertions, and of the conSeqUences attendant on his
perseverance.—The petition was
COURT. then withdrawn.
SIR r. A• _ .

Sir J. MACKINT gave notice of a motion for Thurs.:
day next respecting the instructions given to Sir W. A'Court,
for the guidance of his conduct under any
.changes the Cortes
of Spain might make in the internal Administration of the Go.:
vernmeni of that country.
AD3IINISTRATION OF JiTSTICE IN IRELAND.
Mr. BROUGHAM rose to make hispromitted motion on the
petition from the Roman Catholics of Ireland,. which he had
lately, presented. In proportion as he felt his case to be a
strong one, ittld was aware of the interests which the subject
excited in Ireland, and also reflected on the present state of
that country, was he appalled by the task which the petitioners
had done him the honour to confide to his care. The difficulty
of that task was greatly increased by the course which the pe-
titioners had taken. 'the object of their petition was to chew;
that the Catholic Question, es it was called, did not exclusively
affect the higher classes of Catholics, but that the practical
efibct of it was to interfere with the equal adminiatrat,ort et'
justice. This they might have shewn by those details which
they best could famish, and thus have enabled him to give an
answer to those who asserted that the Catholic disabilities did
not affect the lower orders. But in this the petitioners had
failed: He did not, however, complain of this omission against
them, .but he complained of it on their behalf. They had sent
hitn brieftess into Court, without the very materials with which
he Was to work. But as. far as he was able he was bound to
supply the deficiency. The feet was, they assumed them to know
What they did not know. They no more thought of offering to
r prove et the bar of that House; that there was a difference made
between the great and the poor, and the two parties in religion •
and, politics in the equal administration of the law, than we
should think in this country, in describing the excellente of our
System to a foreigner, of stating that Juries *Crc not packed,
and that Judges weridecorons on, the Bench—that justice Was
equally administered between Catholic and Protestant—that a
man had always justice against his debtor, whethet he could
bribe an Under-Sheriff or not—and that the King's Writ went
into all parts of the kingdom alike. None of these thing, in an
edlo Py on the laW.of the land, should we think necessary to
enlighten the mind of a foreigner with. Therefere it was that
these petitioners, representing,ix millions of the King's sub.:
cts, knowing the law in Ireland not to be as it was In Eng-
land,, Would not be guilty—net of the flattery, bet of the into.
lerable mockery, the gross irony, Of comparing the two toge-
ther, whilst front the tulinesi of the, evidence," to which every
day added, they omitted to tender any at the bar of that lionse,;
simply becaitie they did not give them credit for being ignorant
of the fact, any more than we should do of "the opposite excel.
!envies of otir Constitution in the knowledge of a forelgnei.
One consequence of this supposed knowledge on our part was,
that the people of Ireland at large had suppressed their corn.
plaints. They had logt, as it were, the articulate languageof
remonstrance, having recourse only to the exclamations of de-
spair, which, it was pinch to be feared, were the forirunners of
open outrage. AiThile yet he spoke even outrage had broken l
forth, and it was itnpossible for any one who heard hint to be
so ignorant as not to know that for the last 8(t years Ireland had
never been i
in a more alarming state thin its at present was.
The Petitioners confined themselves to the complaint that the
laws were in thethselves unequal, but greatly aggravated by
• the incidental circumstances of a still more grossly partial Ad-
Ministration. This complaint in itself was a primtiacie case.
But in the absence of all statement, it was enough that the
lair of that country separated the King's Subjects into two
sects, whilit ,the law of England professed to consider every
man as the 'brother of every other, and the King as the father
of all.--(Heur, hear !)—The law of Ireland. on the contrary,
Went to marshal man against man, sect against sect, the con-
fines being the religious bonds of the tine, and what he must
Call the religious animosities of the other. It distingnighed
men by their sect, divided them into castes, proscribed them
according AIS they worshippedtheir Creator, and effeetually
leagued, them against those who held an opposite creedi Re
was aware that he had been stating the law as it stood for-
merly, and that greet anti salutary. tunendments had since hecn
made. The distinetion betWixt the two sects had been miti-
gated, but what remained served only the purpose of a stigma
and instill. As a leCurity it was nothing, as an insult, much,
and, but for its melancholy effects, Might; be thought truly
absurd. The Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs had
truly pointed out to them the inipoliey and absurdity of such
a course.--he had 'shorn them that to have continued in the
work of extirpation With that vigour and wilfulness which had
been evinced by a tyrant' of old in the Government of the
same country, would have been consistent ; but to remove the
chain which galled them, and to leave one link behind in token
of degradation and insult, was at once inconsistent, absurd,
and impolitic. This then tees the first ground upon %Odell he
rested his recommendation of this Petition. The second was,
that so long as man was clothed with the nature of man,
justice would .neiier be equally administered where this dis-
tinction prevailed. But he should leave the case badly then
were he not to go into detail. Ile must necessarily beigno-
rant on such a subject, but in the facts he Should put for-
Ward, the House must consider him as tendering' evidence
at the Bat, as he should he able to pnwc them all. Ile
the Magistracy, of Ireland--the manlier in
which,*id justiceben sllth
wasbrought home to Om man's door, at least
'as regarded the King's peace.. In England, by the protection
afforded against the consequences of mere ignorance where
no ill intention was uppercut, and on the other hand to the
King's subjects, ritalversation had been greatly restrained
In England, the rule was laid down by the keeper of the
Great Seal, never to put a man out of Commission unless his
offence had assumed a legal shone, and had actually gone to a
conviction by a Petty Jury. This rule, however, was not
prescribed for Ireland, to which Country it was not thought ap-
plicable. . Lord Redesdale, anti all the Chancellors of Ireland
hail declared themselves to be of this opinion; and Upon that
fact he founded his first obserration; Such a fact was worth
thonsand details. They all agreed that it was a good anti
',sound rule, but cried out that it would not do to think of its
extension to Ireland. This was an admission that there was a
radical diversity on the subject,--that the stuff of which Justices
were made in England were better than of what they w'ir'e made
in Ireland. In support of this position he would call to their
attention authorities, Judicial as well as political. According
to the recorded opinion of Lord Chateau], " the Justices were
suffering the spirit' of impartial justice to diaappear, whilst
their supineness WA.% talked of front one end of the country to
tine other." 'The House would observe that the *Ord supine.
ness was often used, anti in fact was used. as a aineAte wuy of
saying that there was a disinclination to repress violence,
meaning always' Orange violence. Mr. Grattan. who, what-
ever his party feelings were, undeviatingly regarded the strict
accuracy of fees, said, " novernment trifles with the Northern
weaver, whvn it sends him to a Grand 'Jury whose tn.-
plaeness and partiality have been the can*: Of his iejury..

Mr., Portsoaby, who...held the Great ..Seal of, that ttetititry,',.d.l.,
dared,' 44. that too often there diistices :have been any iititli, isur
what they ought to be." He then, want on to showlieet rntuiv-
' of them had been servants,, and ;wilted behind 'the . chairs -6t
Grand Juries, and some had been waitera at stuall.innso ,;,This
certainly Was a way of shelving that they had been .. any 'hips,
but.what they ought to be. Judge Day imputed 'tti, thein,
•' 'Negligence, partiality, and injustice."j 'Lord. iii:sigaton
said, that . 4 to the disgrace of the illagistracy, there Werersome
among them who ought rather -to, be hanged than itledti'illie;
gistrates.V And Judge Fetcher, in his elaborate eiritge, o.
the GrandlJury in 1814,speaking of Orange Soeieties,"iesticl4e,
the result of his own judicial experiince, `• they poition I.
very fountains of justice, and even are there some .MatOstrate,..
who, under their influence,, are led to violate their duty a.wi
honour." He then declared that they ought all to be.put.d'owni
that " secret oathi gave every temptation to perjury, anti
through their influence murders are frequently- cominirt.w..l,,for
which there are.no prosectitions. Petty Juries have•deiiited
to do their duty ; it has been sufficient' for such a man t,S,'sbew
a colour to produce an utter disbelief of his -testimony; ire,, tor
another with his hand on the bar to display his party, badge t,
mitigate murder into manslaughter." This WAS the reAlit t..?
the speaker's judicial experience, speaking not as avolitieat
man, but as a Judge in the solemn discharge of his duty, .•;./.1e
(Mr. B.) had heard of a reform being undertaken in the,Alagis...
Crary of-Ireland, and that twelve counties had actually ittidtiz-
gone the operation of the change ; but the feet wasthat the:rnea.
sure was Wore appearance than any thing else, mid hudlione
little or no good. In six counties, it was true, that 162, justices
had been displaceti ; but then they turned out to be almost a.ll
absentees, and in is greet proportion English :Militia Offir ers.
and such like: The chargz of those actuslly in office,' applied
only to 14 Out of the whole number, In the county of Monti-
ghan, for instance, would it be bell weil that Sir Harcourt
Lees was continued In office ? Neither had this sweeping
change affected the position of Major Sirr; of whose can.
timiance in the peace he (Mr. Brougham) complained, as an
outrage of the most offensive nature to the penple of Ireland.--:.
If he was to be in Cotnmision any where, he certainly should
not lie held up to the sight of tre people of Dublin, who had
been the witnesses and the victims of his nameless tyrannies.-....
He, indeed, came under Laid Eldon's rule, although it wai not
applicable to Ireland, for he had been convicted, by verdict of
a Jury, of oppression, autiported by fraud, under the most alb.
'torrent circumstances. Yet he was kept in his office, main,.
tained in that power, which he had so grossly abused, and
employed by those men whom he had Si. well served, long
after the dire necessity which yet scarcely justified hi:,
employment fur a single day, had ceased; and after twenty -
two years he appeared at the bar, and told theirs he was
still on the bench of justice, and that he was daily and nightly
employed at the P.olir." ()like in Dublin. The melancholy
consequenCes of putting such Persons in the Commission of
the Peace would he seen by a reference to the comparative
number of commitments in the two tountries with a view to
the number of convictions.. Ile connected these facts with the
memorable words of Lord Redesdalet uttered only in July last,
in the other Houser_..." I have been intimately connected with
that ill.fated country, and`l grieve to Say that there exists there
two Courts of Justice, one for the rich, -find another for the
poor, and that both are equally'''. atinunigteredt" lie would
proceed to State facts in Illustration of this lipsition, althotigh
this authority he thought wait enough i for, in his opinion that
House never had a better gmund of inquiry than this declara-
tion of a late Lord High Chancellor of Ireland, in his place in
the Howie of Lord.i.—(Hearthear, !)—lt was no trilling matter
how the Jury were selected, in a country where the whole ad.
ministration ofjustice was throtigh the medium of Juries. Now
it happened in Ireland, that the Sheriiiit were the creatures of
the 11,orporstorii, and it was well knOwn how difficult' it was for
a Catholic to become a Corporator. He did not mean to go to
the case of the Sheriff of Dublin, because that had never come
before the House for discussion. He would, however, take the
liberty of reminding the House of one little fact which occurred
during that inquiry. A gentleman of the name of Alacnamara
was called to the bar, a respectable Solicitor lie was asked—
Did not you sonic years ago offer a bribe to a certain Sub-she-
riff to pack a Jury to get off a friend of yours ?—A. To be sure
I did. ,

Q. bid he tittek the .Jury ?—A. No, he could not, because
thettipanel had gone tti the Castle.
Q. Did he. not indignantly reject the offer ?—A. No, he
sai • , even if he wished it he could not, for it hail Kona to the
Castle. . _

he reject the bribe P..-eA. Ile didn't get the bribe.
Prom this the Rouse would tee how far diluent front the Wit.
Ma's mind WAS any idea that the oiler of a bribe was any
thing unusual.. Hall a dialogue happened with respect to an
English sheriff, it would not have been treated so supinely as
it had been. li'hat he inferred from it was, that if the efu b.
Sheriff Would take a bribe, he Witt) Wai rich enough might find
a price to purchase the conviction of a political opponeut, It
also appeared, and this he was ready to prove at the Bar,
that the Sub-Sheriff was in the practiced receiving A guinea a
year front every person who thought proper to pay xt, Who
being liable to serve on a jury was by this fee exempt from that
duty. Those who lived in the country became exempt for the
price of half a guinea. It was also capable of proof, that the
King's writ was not equally executed throughout )he king.
dom. Person* were allowed to agree with the Sheriff to pay
all the fees of the Writ, provided he would give timely no.
tics of its presentation. This, however, was no impediment
to the due execution of writ on the poor man. 'The truth
of this statement had been proved within three. three devs
in a Committee up stairs, by the evidence Of a respectable
Attorney. These things strongly brought to his mind the sense
of Lord Reticulate, that there were two Karts of justice in lre.
land.. The Protestants were a privileged class fn. Ireland-41e
Bench and the office of Sheriff were only open to them. Ile
could very well understand that decency on the Bench In the
one country was a matter of course, whilst in the other it
might be remarkable for its rarity; and he would use his pri.
vilege as a'3lember of Parliament, to make strictures on the
conduct of any Judge. To be the tool of any party, as a
judge, he considered struck at the root of his di"nity and his
impartiality, without both of which his outward character Must
fail, and consequently all his efficacy as a Jttdge fall to the
ground. Linda this view he could not refrain from noticing
the judicial conduct of Lord Norbuty, and he begged again
to say, that he should not hesitate to speak his opinton ax freely
of Judges, as of Sheriffs or Attorneys, or the meanest of
his Illajesty's subjects. It was now upwards of' it year since
that Learned Judge heti received a letter front 31r. Santin,
making a From
which run Euglitdi Judge would have
listened to from his most Intimate acquaintance. here the e a
Judge called on to nth on the Circuit for political purPoses.
NVith tho Sword of Justice- itt his hand, null clothed in ermine,
was he called upon by the first Law Officer of the ertrien ter
prostitute his high powers to party practices. This letter,. the
House Must remember, called upon the Judge to insiuttate in
his addresti to the Grand Jury the danger of giving way to ihe
Catholic Claims. He was told to point out to them, that: if
they succeeded in exalting the Catholics, the Protestants would
be put in the back ground, as the Catholics are now. That
if Members of Parlilunent bought Catholic votes, by such con-
duct, they would lose their own seats for their pains; and that
Catholic 'Judges would certainly be appointed in place of those
who now occupied the Bench, as well as Catholic Sheriffs;:._.
These were the glad tidings which a Judge was cominissiadtd
to bear round the land. This was not at all altered' by ?tie
appearance of' a paragraph in a Dublin Newspaper, .
ing Lord Norbury's 4.. newest joke," in which It appeit*,
so much did he prefer a jest to justice that he actually iquit!,a
to grant criminal information for the sake only of Introdo,Nng
ajoke. Ile (Mr. liroughtun) greatly venerated the professhen,
and no one watt less disposed than himeelf to countenance aIIY
reflection on the Bench. Be revered the Bench as long as the
Bench respected itself. But when he saw them abandon thiir
duty under the temptation of a paltry joke, and,' eh ove. all,
allow themselves to be tampered with by Crown Lawyer:
veneration left hitu—itis patience even WAN exliausty lh
the profession, and even persons out of the profession„-agreed
with him in Ms view on the history of this attempted Meteor,
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'ate sold, nay withheld, nor delayed. In England it Might be
delayed, but it was neither sold to the rich nor withheld fmm
the poor. .In Ireland, the petitioners offered to prove that to
=lie rkh it was sold, to the poor refused, and to all classes
delayed. They were on the brink of a precipice as re-,.
sartied Ireland. He prayed to God that an interval might
be gran!ed for them yet to profit' by. If not by the laws •
of Providence vengeance must follow injustice. .It was said
that injustice would drive a wise man mad ; but it was the
grossest inmolicy to drive six millions to desperation by such
a course.--Hear, hear I)—He hoped this motion would not
be met by flimsy pretences. At one time they had been an-
elected by terror of I3uonaparte, at another by the horrors of
jacabinisni, next they were supplicated not to break down a
strong administration, and lastly to have consideration for '
the scruples of a Monarch. Now Iluonaparte was extinct,
having died front solitary confinement, and unnecessary tor-
toni. The Monarch was gone to his long home. As for
breaking down a strong administration, that was the least
worthy of apprehension now. They intuit, therefore, find some-
thing new, anti not mock them by any of these exploded pre-
tences. Severe penal laws had for some been suppressed, but
Lot as now appeared,. destroyed the discontents of that coun-
try. Ile would suggest to them that they should alter their
course towards Ireland, and now do their duty by her. Tlutt
was a straight and easy road to the heart of the Irish people,
and once for all, he thought they had better prefer the hearts
of the whole Irish people to the applause of Orange hodges:—
( Hee, hear, hear!)Such a course would procure them a rush
harvest of gratitude and respect ; for if they had shewn so much
good feeling towards a Monarch who went there only with the
pomp of promise, how would they view their Representatives
'when they gave the realizations of those promises ? He,
however, would not tantalize himself with a prospect which
WO never to be realized perhaps to his eyes-. 1k now came
forward to demand right and justice. He hail done his
duty, and if he failed,. it would be not because he had made
the attempt, but in his conscience he believed, became they
refused to do that, without which there would be neither peace
for Ireland nor safety for England.—(ll ear, hear !t--'llte Hon.
Member concluded by moving that the Roman Catholic Pen.-
Bern in question be referred to the Grand Committee on Courts
• of Justice.

Mr. GOULIIIJRN assured the !louse, that he was ready to
do his duty as well as the Hon. and Learned Gentleman; and
that duty he conceived would lead him to negative his motion.
He felt the greater difficulty in following the Hon. and Learned
tientleman, that those Members were absent front the House
at this time of the year, who could best furnish a comment on
the facts which he had stated. He could not, however, sub-
scribe to the libel that the Petition represented the whole of the
Roman Catholics of Ireland. It professed only to be from the
turdersigned,and amongst them he saw no distinguished names.
The Petition contained not only an attack urn that part of
the community supposed to be at enmity with the Catholics,
but upon the whole Government of Ireland. If the Ilan. and
Learned Gentleman had been in the House, he should have
asked him what his feelings would have been if such a charge
bad been brought forward against the whole Catholic popula.
tiara in Ireland P If they were told that the insurgent Catholics
exercised a horrible influence over the minds of Juries, and
compelled them to acquit the guilty of Catholics, and to con-
demn the innocent or Protestants ? Would the Honourable
and Learned Gentleinan, upon a vague and general statement
of such charges, come forward to support an inquiry like that
now proposed ? The petition was made up of general charges,
and abstained from every thing bearing the semblance of fact,
upon which the House would be able to form a judgment of
its truth. The Honourable and Learned Gentleman had, in-

deed, told them with an ingenuity peculiar to himself, that
might not be acquainted with the existence of these facts,
whilst among the petitioners they were so notorious that they
could not possibly suppose Parliament so ignorant as not to
come forward use voce and admit them as soon as they were
mentioned. Let them only ask the House what public bud-
Lion could be secure, what private character could be safe, if
such doctrines were to be admitted or countenanced. lle would
not detain them by arguing this point further. However inge-
nious the course which the lion. Gentleman had taken, it was
marked by fallacy, but its tallacy was not equal to its injus-
tice. The lion. Gentleman said he only called upon the house
to go into an inquiry, and to refer the petition to the eonsidera-
tion of a Committee forthwith. Let him ask what distinction
there was, in a case like the present, between a readiness to in-
quire, and a readiness to condemn. Could any man read the
petition and see the language in which it was expressed,
and the charges which it contained, and then observe that upon
the very day after it was presented, they went into an inquiry
by a measure which had not been resorted to for the last bun-
tired years--could any man make stch observations with-
out coming to the conclusion that Parliament believed the evils
to exist, and the violent accusations of the Petitioners to be

well grounded ? There were two principal charges; the
one WM that the law between Roman Clatholiee and Pro-

t .testantie was u ual; and the otter, that such law was admit-
,nistered corm jy. With the permission of the House he
would. apply intuit' to these two charges, to chew how. far
they were correct,- and if correct, how far they reflected blame
--upon the Irish Government, and demanded the censure of that
Ilou.se. With regard to the inequality of the law as affecting
Catholics and Protestants, it was well known to be notch
greeter in England then in Ireland, and a Noble Lord oppo-
site had now a Bill in the House for conferring upon the Eng.
';.fish Roman Catholics the same privilege as those which had
long been enjoyed by the Irish. But with the inequality of
the law the Irish Government had nothing whatever to do : the
authority of Parliament alone could render them equal, and it
rested with the two Houses of Parliament to remedy or to
:await the censure of that alleged defeet upon which the lion.
Gentlemau had laid so much stress. With respect to the
charge of a corrupt Adminiatration, the charges tinder that head
were all Ida Wee and general nature, and it might be enough
for him to rest their contradiction upon as general a denial.—
But he was desirous of meeting the cite upon the facts, for the
very resume which had induced the petitioners to abstain from
doing so. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had stated that
the Ms, istracy of Ireland were more or less corrupt. There
was one' greet error into which the Ilon. Gentleman had fallen.
Ife argued throughout as if Ireland were England. But in
that country the structure of society was quite different, and
it was altogether placed under different circumstances. Dur•
ing the last Session, the constant argument of Gentleman oppo-
site was that the Government did not interfere with the ann of
power to correct the state of the Magistracy. Now came the
' Hon. and Learned Gentleman, when the purification of the
Magistracy was in proguss, andi some measures fur the effect-
-lag tut object advanced to completion, complaining of what
had been done. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said that
,t.ite. Lord Chancellor, in removing certain individuals from the
, esitumitiaion,had acted with partiality, and from improper mu-
tivee. This he in thestrongmt manner denied. The Hon. and
Learned Gentleman had been grossly misinformed, and, in con-
- sequence of that misinformation he had made a statement, which
~was, in every respect, most unjust and unties execs!. I,4'hen the
i ford Chancellor undertook this duty he had to perform an in-
vidious and roost unpleasant task, those who were removed,
judging from their own corrupt motive*, would be sure to im.
pute the same to the individual who took front them a source of
distinction, and perhaps of income, which might be desirable.
When all the difficulties of this duty were considered, he
:thought it deserved rather the support of the lion. Gentleman's
talents, than encouragement to those who were the object* of
its operation..
Mr. BROUG HA.M here made a remark across the table,

which we`understood to be, that he had not attributed corrupi
motives to fiord Manners, or blamed what he had done; he
onl7 complained that he had not done enough.
M. GOULIIIIIIN said that the case of a person had been
,brought forward, which he was sure had conveyed the impres-
unix to the House, that the Lord Chancellor had dismissed him
`litzaust he was a eactery, and net a member of the Established
• diturch. The neat charge was, that the revision was Wade-
gismo. Upon this part of the question, the lion. Gentleman's
information was quite incorrect. lie said that there were only
, twelve counties is which the Commission was revised.. Slut if
, he had iryquired carefully into that fact, he would have found
that measures hvAl been taken to extend it nearly all over the
‘.lsittgiiont. Then came the charge that the Lord Chancellor hod
. maraca Sr'i: liareauxt Lees to remain upon the Commission of
the Part. Now what would the lion. and Learned Gentle-
.titan himaelfeay when he found that Sir Harcourt Lew; was
not in the Commission of the Peace for any coenty in Ireland.
—{ irsr, ivear 11—If the House were to go trito a Grand Com-.
oink,* of inquiry upon the
.ground of statements and facts
. like these, who would not join the Honourable Member in
Abe-opinions he hed expressed as to the manner in which it
discharged its duty. ,1141ViII}T di -Spotted of the Magistracy, he
.crime to the question of the Sheri A previous Government
is lralaud, but ofwhich Lord Manners formed a part, reformed
,the regulations of that important office, and placed them upon
. A footing which he believed no Irish Gentleman acquainted
with the subject wished to see changed. While lie was in Ire-
land he had taken pains to. ascertain whether this topic, so fa-
=shionable here, was a source to/complaint in that country, or
*whether there MIS any foundation for the allepd acts of isir.
thility and corruptidn on the part or SherilEc. From all he
could hear and learn, his honest opinion was, that there were
no grounds for such a complaint. tie bad before stated,
that if f icntletnen' would bring forward proof of any one
letstance in which a 'Sheriff had so acted, the Government would
take care that be was instantly removed. Indeed they.were
atost anxious, if the crime existed, that it should be visited
with condign .'ponialunent. But it WM impossible that they
should take general allegations in cases of such a nature. If
the llonoinable Gentleman had any further information
upon the subject besides what-, he had -produced, Jet it be
placed In hit; hands, arid hit would pledge himself that the
:44"a11t be sifted to thrl bottom, The next charge was

'directed against the 'Judges of die land. But Their defence'
was to be found in the Honourable Gentleman's own tuirnis-
Ilion, that with the exception of one individual, whom so much
of his speech was occupied in reprehending, in all the other
eleven there was nothing upon which he could make out a
case of complaint. But the Hon. and Learned Gentlauian
said they were Protestant. They must be Protestant by the
Constitution. Then, being Protestant, said the Hon. Gentle-
man, they insist he partial in deciding between one part, of
their own religion and another of a different one. In all of his
experience of Ireland he never met with a case in which there
could be any suspicion df the existence of religious party-
feeling in a Judge; and lie never heard of such a case being;
considered probable. If the House would allow him, lie
would proceed to state some other reasons why the admini-
stration of justice in Ireland, either criminal or civil, was
not open to the charge of corruption. The Honourable and
Learned Gentleman had alluded to a particular charge to a
Grand Jury, made by a Learned and venerable Judge in the
year 1814. A charge containing similar sentiments had been
represented to be made by the same Judge in 1011 ; and when
he returned to Dublin from the circuit, he was asked whether
the sentiments put forward in the statement printed in the
newspapers were in reality his own opinions. He replied
that they were not, and that on the contrary the statement was
et variance with opinions he entertained. If, therefore, such
a misrepresentation could be made at one time, and upon the
saute subject, there was at least some doubt as to the correct-
ness of the charge printed in 11114. With regard to the corrup-
tion in Juries, the Criminal Petitions to the Lard-Lieutenant.
prevented any ill effects from arising on that account. The
Government investigated the whole cases over again, and de-
cided upon their merits as to whether the Jury had done its
duty or not. But the Bons Gentleman said that corruption was
Dot confined to the administration of criminal justice, hitt had.
also crept into the management of civil cases, so that a Roman
Catholic could not obtain any impartial decision. Against this
charge he had not only the evidence of the lion. and Learned
Gentleman, but that of the Petitioners themselves. When he
heard that the Catholics were dissatisfied with the decisions
upon the circuits, he had looked to see what was the propor-
tion of motions for new trials in Ireland and England. But
then it would be said that the same objection existed in the
Court of King's Bench as in all others. They were all Pro-
testant Judges, andlherefore no just or honest decisions could
be expected. But he had in his hand a speecli of Mr. O'Ccm-
nell's, in which he eulogised all. the Judges of the Court of
King's Bench, and held them up to the world as bright exam-
ples of learning and honesty. (.Tpon examining tins subject,
he found that in the last year there were 32 motions for new
trials in Ireland, and in England for the same period 114. It
was impossible for any one to say that this proportion chewedany distrust in the administration of civil justice upon the cir-
cuits. Ile should not attempt to compete with the Hon. Gen-
tleman in declamation, and appealing to the passions of the
House, because if he had the power of doing so, that was not
a case in which he should exercise it. Ile desired only to
meet with facts, that which had no facts to support it. The
[louse was called upon to take this most important step upon
the testimony of those who were the common depositaries of
all Roman Catholic grievances, real or supposed. Against it
they had the testimony of the Marquis Wellesley, of the At-
torney-General, of the Solicitor-General, and of himself. '
That of the two last would of course be suspected by those
Honourable Gentlemen opposite who thought that no one
who entertained hostility towards granting all that the Ca-
tholice asked, could conscientiously discharge a public duty._
But there had been at least nothing in the conduct of the Mar.
quit Wellesley, since his residence in Ireland, which could
lead any one to suppose that he had not an equal care for the
interests of all classes, anti an ardent desire to preserve an
equal administration of the laws. Ile was confident that Par-
liament would not consent to a measure which went to villify
every member of the Irish Government, to villify every ho.
nourable character in the land, merely because there were per.
sons weak or wicked enough to suppose that upon their asser-
tion only the House would be ready to take such a course.
Sir H. PARNELL said that he had paid much attention to
the manner in which Sub-Sheriffs were in the practice of acting
in Ireland, and he Mist be permitted to say that the Right
Hon. Secretary for Ireland appeared to him to be very imper-
fectly informed upon this subject. lie remembered, in the
Committee upon the Usury Laws the examination of a re-
spectable Solicitor, who, when interrogated as to the difficulty
of borrowing money upon Irish securities, stated that such in-
convenience arose front the almost impracticability of execut.
in g the King's writs in Ireland; that m consequence of such
difficulty he stated that the ends of justice were often frus-
trated in that country. He recollected also the examination
of another witness, who stated that in all other countries
execution was considered the termination of a suit, but in
Ireland it was merely the beginning.—(A laugh.)—As to the
charge of Judge Fletcher, he had reason to know that that
Judge bad himself corrected the charge which had been de-
livered' by him, before it had ben printed in 1814. lie knew
that the distribution of justice in Ireland was not such as ought
to be maintained. Ile was convinced, from experience, that
the Sub-ShcritTs frequently gave blank summonses to their
; bailiff's, who, unless a man gave them five shillings, compelled
him to attend the Grand Juries and other Juries also. Every
one acquainted with Ireland knew that no Juries could be ap-
pointed in Corporations unless Juries which were chosen by
violent partizan Sheriffs. The real complaint was, that ac-
quittals of the guilty had taken place. Judge Fletcher had in
Isis charge maintained the truth of that position. The revi-
sion of the Magistrates was highly useful, for each Magistrate
who was afraid of his being deprived of the office now endea-
voured to do his duty as well as possible, to prevent his depri-
vation. That was not, however, sufficient; he hoped that a
full investigation of the subject would take place. The Hon.
Baronet concluded by stating his determination to support the
motion.

Col. BARRY said, that with permission of the House, he
, would make some observations upon the body,. from whom
1 the petition proceeded. If the Government of Ireland per..
mitted such conduct as this, he trusted they would soon
be compelledd, to give up the rein of Government, which it
would be evident they sO disgraced. It was perfect insanity
to allow a Government to hold out the doctrine that the
Orange Party wished to massacre their opponents.— They
I seemed to insinuate that an appeal to physical force would
be justifiable. He was free to admit that the lion. and
Learned Gentleman who opened the business had made a
very eloquent speech but that speech was particularly meagre
In point of fact. This the Hononrable Gentleman seemed
to admit; and it was not to be supposed that those who in.
the Honourable Gentleman would have suppressed
them from motives of moderation. The whole language which
was used in the petition was a libel on the Gentlemen of
Ireland. No doubt it was bombastic and poetic enough. It
charged the opponents of the party with resorting to the
Bible for incitements to murder and massacre. This he de-
clared to be a malicious falsehood; it was similar to a mass
of falsehoods published lately under the title of " The Orange
System Unmasked," which was nothing but a mass of base
and absurd falsehoods. Allusion had been made to a charge
:Laid to he delivered by Mr. Justice Fletcher. But what would
the House say, when he informed them that he was the Fore.
man of the Grand Jury to whom it was pretended that charge
was delivered; and that, in subsequent conversations with
the Learned Judge he had agreed in opinion with him (Col. B.)
that scarcely one sentence in these pretended charges had ever
been uttered by him. He would, however, refer the House
to a charge given by Sir Wm. Smith, a man who was favourable
, to the Catholics, declaring that greater indulgence was ex.
tended to the Catholics titan wns ever shewn to the Protes-
tants. He was sorry the Hon. and Learned Member should
hove lent himself to make use, even on an occasion of poli-
tical necessity, of a paper surreptitiously obtained for the pur.
poises of a desperate faction. This, however, had been done;
and although be did not mean to impute any improper motive
to the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, be would not let the oc-
casion pass without expressing his reprobation of the conduct
of those who had thus obtained the paper. ' The lion. and
Learned Gentleman had spoke highly of the Administration of
Justice in this country, but it was not many years since that the
Grand Jury of the County of Lancaster had not met with the
unqualified apProbation of the Hon. and Learned Member.
The simple fact was, that so long as men were men, political
excitement would find its way every where. He regretted it ;
he wished it were otherwise. He would have political excite-
mend diecoumged as much as possible, and he was sorry to say
he, attributed much of this to the vitiated state of the public
pries. He would entrust the Government of Ireland, even
such an it was, with additional power to enable it to stop inflatu7
=story üblicfitions, and assuage the angry feelings of party...:.
(Hear I
s
Mr. HUTCHINSON said his Right Hon. Friend who had
last spoken had arraigned the conduct of the Catholic Meeting
at Dublin, but that ,Meeting had been occasioned by the inso-
lence of those who called themselves the exclusively-loyal of
the King's Irish subjects, They were a faction of men who
had created the Rebellion of 1798, and had done every thing
in their power to outrage the feelings of the people. He was
far from approving of every thing which bad been said at these
Meetings; for he always thought the subject which they dia.
cussed would be better left in the hands of the Parliament.--
(Hear, hear !)--But much of the irritation, sti far as regarded
religioui feeling, bad been occasioned by the absurd, mad, and
disgraceful appeals to the Protestants made by Sir Harcourt
Lees, through the medium of the press. Recalled that conduct
absurd, mad, and disgraceful; thougit he admitted, that religiou s
1 feelings apart, Sir If. Lees was a vet?, respectable Clergyman.
The Right lion. Gentleman, alluding to the alleged charge
of Mr. Justice Fletcher had denied that the Learned Judge
had delivered it ; but it was singular that that Learned Judge
had never disavowal the publicatton. With regard to the paper
alluded by his Hon. and Learned Friend, and the use of winch

was condemned by the Right Hon. •Genfleman, lie contended
that his lion. and Learned Friend was justified in referring to
it, as it had been previously before the public. After a -few
observations in defence of the. Irish character, which he con-.
tended did not yield in value to the English; the Honourable
Member proceeded to 'remark on the injustice of marking out
a large body of respectable men as depraved and unworthy to
611 the responsible offices of society. He submitted that his
Honourable and Learned Friend had made out a case for send-.
ing the petition to a Committee, as it spoke the sentiments of
six millions of the population of Ireland. But if the language
of the petitioners could be understood as charging those who
administered die laws with injustice, he should negative the
charge : yet he did not so read die petition. He understood it
it to complain of grievance -principally as regarded exclu-
sion from corporate rights. The petitioners felt themselves
to be insulted and oppressed, and could not therefore be ex-
pected to address themselves to the subject of their complaints
in very measured language; and he was sure the House would
not he disposed to look at the expressions of such Petitioners
too scrupulously. The opposition to their claims had not
a leg to stand upon in point of argument, and the question
was, whether Parliament would venture to reject those claims
which were the claims of six millions of the most warlike and
efficient of the population. " If Ministers would take his ad.
vice, which he admitted was that of a decided political enemy,
and if they desired to keep their places, he would say to them,
" Admit the claims of the Catholics; and restore Ireland to
her rights." Should a combination of the Foreign Despots be
formed against the liberty of England (and nothing was more
likely), he would ask, whether the support of six millions of
such people as he had described was not most desirable ? He,
therefore, should warmly support the motion.
Mr. DALY said, the pennon contained charges against the
Protestants at large.--(Cheers.)—lle had always advocated the
Catholic claims warmly and. sincerely ; but he would not com-
promise the character of the Protestant religion for the sake
of a little transient popularity.—(Cheer.)—He admired the
talents and dexterity of the Hon. and Learned Member ' • but
he assured the House that he had for many years served on
Juries in Ireland, and had never known an instance of partia-
lity or corruption among them—(lleer !)—And why should
he ? Ile had had the honour of serving with Catholic Jurors—
(Hear !)—and he, as a Protestant, would say that they had al-
ways conducted themselves uprightly.--(Cheers.)--The petition
was false front beginning to en.—(Hear !)—lt did not contain
the sentiments of the Catholics in geheral.—( Hear ! )—lt had not
the signature of any Catholic Nobleman or Catholic Baronet.
He denied too that it had the signatures of the leading persons
in Dublin ; and it was but fairness to the Catholics themselves
to believe that the false statements contained in this petition
would not be adopted or sanctioned by them.--( Loud Cheering.)
Mr. V. FITZGERALD expressed his surprise that his
Hon. Friend opposite (Mr. Hutchinson) should ask the House
to treat this Petition as the Petition of six millions of people,
when he himself, with that honour and justice which belonged
to him, had, from his own experience, negatived the aspersions
which it cast upon the administration of justice.—(Hear!)--
He had been bred, if he might so express himself, in the
warmest feelings of hope for the claims of the Catholics; but
he would not lend himself to assist such tnisrepresentations as
were contained in this Petition.--( Hear, hear !)He soleMnly
declared that he had never before 'heard an imputation cast
upon the conduct of a Judge in Ireland.—(lleart hear!}—He
was ready to make every allowance for disappointed hopes ;
but he feared the cause itself had been injured by this petition.
—(Hear, hear !)—lle wished that many of the friends of Ire-
land could appreciate fairly the language of the petitioners.—
He returned thanks to an Hon. Member for saying persons
holding offices in Ireland were not corrupt and base. He
considered the petition a libel on the Magistracy and Gentry of
Ireland.

Mr. ABERCROMBY said, the delegated representatives
of the Orangemen, as well as the Catholics had divided
Ireland. The large body of Magistrates in Ireland were Pro-
testants, and the persons over whom they had jurisdiction
Catholics. Under such circumstances those who governed
were hound to watch with vigilance over the administration
of justice. It was true that those who sent their petition had
stated no particular 'fact ; but they had it recorded that, in the
judgment of the petitioners, the administration of justice was
not perfect. His lion. Friend had made a strong statement of
facts. Sir H. Lees had been described to be a Magistrate for
the County of Monaghan. He had no right to find fault with
the endeavours of that Gentleman ; but it was evident if he did
fill the office of Magistrate, he was ill qualified for that situa-
tion. He might ask the Right Hon. (lent. whether Sir 11. Lees
was not a Magistrate for the County of Louth
Mr. GOULBURN said, in answer to the question that be
written to Ireland for information on the subject, and it appear.
ed Sir H. Lees was not a Magistrate for any county.
Mr. ABEItCROMIIV then adverted to the case of Major
Sire. It was clear they had been told of persons among the
Magistracy of lieland who made profit of juatice. A favour.
able ear ought to be given to complaints of maladministration
of justice. From 11107 to ltP22, repeated complaints had been
M
made on that subject. As a ember of Parliament, he was
bound to take care of the rights and privileges of the people.
The case was before the 'house, and 'the house ought to
use it for the benefit of the people. It was a case in
which the King's Atterncy-General addressed a letter to
a Learned Judge going the circuit. One passage was,
" Let the Gentlemen he informed, that if they do not take
care the Protestants will be thrown in the back ground as they
were formerly." This proved that they were haunted by that
Unfortunate calamity, difference of opinion. He thought it im-
possible to withhold assent to the motion.
Col. BA RR Y explained. •
Mr. It. 111 A RTIN said, it the Learned Gentleman who pre-
sented the petition had been consulted by the petitioners as
clients, he must have said I will not advise you to send a pc-
'hien of this inflammatory nature to the House of Com—
mons. Avoid all argument in your petition. Avoid all
reason—(A 1111101.i—it was facts that the house of Coin-
mons wanted. They would not bully the House. The inn-
guage of the petition was not to be borne. He could not
see why the Honourable Member should present the petition
on the 24th of June., when there was no reasonable expectation
of getting through inquiry. The Petition, in fact, would an-
swer no other purpose than inflame the public mind. Gentle.
men spoke of the improper conduct of Sub-Sheriffs. He thought
the Sheriffs ip Ireland did their duty as well as the Sheriff's in
England, and if they did not they might be made to to it. He'
knew the Magistracy of his own county, anti he believed it was
impossible to find Gentlemen more ht to do the duty. It' it
was otherwise in other counties, why did not Gentlemen bring
in a Bill to provide A remedy. With regard to the Judges it
was generally admitted that the Bench of Ireland was pure.
He declared upon his honour, that. ail the Judges, to whom he
had. mentioned Judge Fletcher's charge, had said, Judge
Fletcher for that charge ought to have been dismissed from the
Bench. Nothing could be done with the Petition this Session,
but if Gentlemen would introduce the question fairly next Ses-
sion it might become the subject of discussion.
Mr. PEEL assured tile House that he intended to confine
himself to the Subject. Out of eighty-four days the House
had devoted to business, forty-nine had been applied to Irish
business. This was at least a strong ground for confining
himself to the subject. The question was, whether, the House
ought to appoint a Committee to inquire into the Administra-
tration of Justice ; such a proceeding had not been adopted
during the list century. What was the case for such inquiry
—He had too much respect for the Catholics of Ireland to
suppose they were the authors of this inflammatory and
ferocious statement. The charges against the Protestants, and
the Corporation of Dublin were scandalous. A Committee of
that House wail then sitting en the affairs of the Corporation of
Dublin, and he entreated the House to suspend their judgment
was until the Report was received. This declamatory statement
is more in the style of a condemned tragedy titan a statement of
facts. Mr. Peel considered himself' bound to defend the Pro.
testant population of Dublin, The Hon. Member for Cork had
in the most manly way denied on every occasion that Protestants
had endeavoured to injure their Roman Catholic brethren. The
complaint was, that the Sub-Sheriffs had not done their duty in
executing the Kin's writ. This was a grievance if it were true,
but he denied that tt affected the Roman Catholics. The Petition
came front au association called the Catholic Association, who
about ten
it was declared that Protestant murderers were protected and
years ago published a general- allegation, by which
cherished for the crime. A case was added in which an inno-
cent Catholic WM described to have been executed, and that he
died professing his innocence.' On the appearance of the state-
ment a prosecution was commenced for a libel. It appeared by
the report of the Learned Judge who tried the man, and the
admission of the prisoner's Counsel, that his religion was not
known. The Attorney-General to that hour did not know
the man's religion. The Right Honourable Gentleman read
the charge of Judge 'Bush; and the defence made by the pri-
soner's Council, by which the falsehood and malignity of the
libel was clearly established. The conduct of the Judges was
pure with respect to the appointment of Magistrates. Lord
Alenners would never attend to representations against Magis-
trates., proceeding from political feeling. Great difficulty
attended the removal of Magistrates. In a late affray in the
North of' Ireland, the troops were called out, but the people ex.
claimed, "'There is no-Magistrate, don't mind the troops, they
cannot tire." They proceeded to knock down the soldiers who
fired, anti several lives were lost. A
few days before the Magis-
trate had been removed by Lord Manners. That circumstance
Alagistrates.
was sufficient to chew the danger arising from the removal of
The Right Hon. Gent. defended the conduct of
Major Sire against what he considered unjust accusations. He
had seen no reason for removing Major Sirr from the Magistracy.
—With respect to Mr. Justice Fletcher's' charge, that Judge
was dead, and consequently he was prevental from making
any remarks on the subject. He had m his possession Mr.
Justice Fletcher's charge, and he should only say, it difered

PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS.

MOUSE OF COMMONS.
Jovis, 26° die Junii, 18'23.

NATURALIZATION—AIiegatiN 1 Bills read a third time,
liannot; rts—ilolyhead anti 'lowa* f and passed.
POST HORSE DUTIES—BiII, as amended, to be printed.
SETTLEMENT OF THE POOR—Bill considered in Committee,
and reported ; further consideration of Report put off for
three months; Bill, as amended, to be printed.
EQUALIZATION OF DUTIES—BiII read a second time, and

committed.
.111}:asmix FllOll Tur. Lonos—That they have agreed tQ
Commercial Credit (Ireland) Bill, and Tamworth Roads
Bill, without amendment ; and to Barilla Duties Bill, with

an amendment.
POST Aor —Petition of Sir James Riddall, of the City of Dub.
lin, Knight, praying to be allowed to receive and send Corn
Returns Free of Postage.
COAL Dtrr as—Petition front Merchant Bishop, against the

tics .on Coals carried coastwise.
ItEtmtocrr It or Durnes—Bill to be read a third time on
Wednesday.

ORDERS of the DAY for THIS DAY.
1. New South Wales Jurisdiction Bill—Second Reading.
2. Poor Laws Amendment Bill—Committee.
3. Passage Vessels Regulation Bill—Third Reading.
4. East India Mutiny Bill—Further consideration of Report.
5. East India Trade Bill—Further consideration of Report
ti. Conduct of the Chief Baron of the Exchequer (Ireland)—
Committee thereupon.
7. Beer Retail Trade Bill—Committee.
8. Qualification of Jurors Bill—Second Reading.
9. General Turupike,Act Amendment Bill--Third Reading.
10. Slave Trade Consolidation Bill—Committee.
11. Customs Duties (Ireland) Bill—Further consideration of
Report.
12. Highland Churches Bill—Committee.
13, Kiltiernan Union Bill—Second Reading.
14. Tithes Composition (Ireland) Bill—Further consideration
of Report.
15. Ways and Means—Committee.
16. East India Half Pay Bia—Committee.
17. Linen Manufacture (Ireland) Bill—Second Reading.
10. Lancaster County Court Bill—Third Reading.
19. Usury Laws Repeal Bill—Report.
20. Quakers Affirmations Bill—Second Reading.
21. Febt) de Se Bill—Third Reading.
22. Building of Gaols Bill—Report.
23. Lotteries Bill—Committee.
24. Equalization of Duties Bill—Committee.
25. Disembodied Militia Bill—Committee.
26. Lottery Commissioners, Salaries and Allowances—Report
thereupon.
27. Law Merchant Bill—Second Reading.
28. Juries (Scotland) Bill—Third Reading.
29. Unlawful Oaths (Ireland) Bill—Further consideration of ,

Report.
30. Church Rates (Ireland) Bill—Committee.
31. Grand Jury Presentments Consolidation Bill—Committee.
NOTICES OF MOTIONS tor THIS PAY.

1. Sir Gerard Noel—To present a Petition from Oliva (styling
herself) Princess of Cumberland, praying that she may be
heard by her Agent at the Bar of the House, in support
of her Claims.
2. Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer—To vote East India Half
Pay. (In Committee of Ways and Means.)
NOTICES GIVEN YESTERDAY.
Tuesday, July I.
Mr. Grattan—Motion respecting Pipe Water and Metal
Main Accounts in the City of Dublin. Deferred from
June 26.

Thursday, July 3.
Sir James Mackintosh—Copies of the Instructions trans.
mined by his Majesty's Government to Sir Win. A'Court,
for the regulation of his conduct in the case of changes
made by the Cones in the internal Government of Spain.