The Sun.
London, England, 1841-09-24 00:00:00

THE DINNER

On the same evening the dinner given to the Directors
of the Company to celebrate the opening of the line
took place at the Old Ship, where upwards of 200 gentle-
men sat down at half-past six to a sumptuous entertain-
ment provided by Messrs. Cuff and Strachan. The
viands, wines, and dessert were most costly; and the table
was loaded with delicacies. E. H. Creasy, Esq., presided
(in the absence of the High Constable from illness) ; on
the right of the Chair sat the Chairman of the Directors,
J. Harman, Esq., D. Maclean, Esq., J. U. Rastrick, Esq.,
Major-Gen. Hodgson, Captain Beauclerk, T. R. Robin-
son, Esq., N. Smith, Esq.. and the remainder of the Direc-
tors; and on the left, G. Darby, Esq., M.P., Capt. Pechell,
M.P., I. N. Wigney, Esq., M.P., Major Hobart, Lord
William Hill, and. other officers- of the Scots Greys,
W. Seymour, Esq., G. Basevi, Esq., Major Allen, &c.
The band of the Scots Greys was stationed in the gallery,
and during the dinner and at intervals in the course of
the evening played some of their most admired pieces.
On the removal of the cloth Non nobis Dontine was sung
by the amateur vocalists ; and silence having been then
proclaimed by the toast master,
After the usual loyal toasts had been drank with
enthusiasm,

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The CHAIMIAN said he had to announce the receipt of
letters from Mr. Fuller, M.P. for Sussex, stating that he
was prevented by a death in his family from being pre-
sent;
from Sir John Rennie, stating that circumstances
rendered it impossible for him to attend; and from Mr.
F. Cooper, kept away by indisposition.
w. sEymoTee, Esq., then said—l have the distin-
guished honour conferred upon me to offer to you the
grat toast of the day.—();Tear, hear.) I have already,
as most of you know, expressed my sentiments fully
eipon the subject of the great work which has been
just completed, to the delight of the inhabitants of
Brighton; and I should have been most glad if another
Brighton man
.(I,..!ieen selected whom we all admire,
and whose abien.t y would have done credit to
Brighton and given gratification
;but I only learned this day at two o'clock that it was not
peecticable for him to a. ttend. I am quite sure, how.
ever, that I shall recei Halsm nduch asst from
d all Brighton
and Sussex men and,
Brighton part of London, I trust our London friends
will give to me the same indulgence.—(Hear, hear.)
Our o-hject here to-day:is to congratulate n. gr the Directors and
atulate
ourselves on the finishing of t uselorious work.—(Cheers.)
They have surmounted immense difficulties. The evi-
dence given before the Committeeesntohfs,tnhaeyLo,
ferrdyseaanrds
Commoic for days, and weeks, and months,
—(Hear,
for them to
gar)---shows the great physical difficulties
they had, to ene 'minter- It became necessary
overcome almost she four elements combined
say but little,
bined of earth,
air, fire, and water
but of this I will
since the victory over them belongs rather to the engi-
neer, who will be the subject of a separat.e. toast. It is
utterly impossible that a great ureqertaking like this should
not meet more difficulties than tout' be anticipated, and re-
quiringwe the highest courage to bear up against. When
recollect that the Directors had to contend with the mighty
,struggle which even now shakes the nation—that they
Led to encounter difficulties of finance, and that in addi-
tion to all other diaculties they had the difficulty which
was see forth in a maxim of 1600 years old, and sanctioned
by-subscepeent experience, that " in many men there are
many minds," and that one motive in many of them is self-
interest, they might be forgiven for despairing. But
the Directors (.:( this Railway encountered all, and tlley,
succeeded; and the least we can do is to thank 'than, and-
wish them health aid happiness.—(Cheeri.) The men
of Brighton, feeling this, Lave invited them to this
feast ; and they, with their usual urbanity and kind-
mess, have accepted the invitation, They are now
here by their own railroad, and we may now say that
Brighton and London are never to be separated again.
The Prime Minister of this country, in citing a work of
Sir William Jones very recently, said that Sir William
was once asked who was the greatest man ;
and his
answer was " The best." And when he was asked who
-was the best, he said, " the mart that has deserved most
of his fellow men."--(Cheers.) I say, then, look to the

Directors of this Company ; and when you recollect the
difieuties which they have had to encounter, the di4.1.1-

which the

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,hton men an
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are entitled to say they have deserved well of their
fellow men, and this day we thank them.—(Loud
applause.) Another difficulty which they had
to encounter arose from impediments which were pur-
posely placed in their way, but this also they by zeal and
perseverance overcame ; it required the gigantic powers
of a Watt to make a steam-engine and to move it, but a
boy might impede it. We are now met to congratulate
the Directors on having overcome all obstacles, and to thank
them for the benefit they have conferred upon us ; and if it
be said, "Will you give them only empty thanks—empty
praise ?" my answer is, " We give them all we give to
heaven for the great benefits showered doss n upon us,
namely, our thanks."—(Cheers.) I now propose to you
—and I hope, gentleman, the steam is up—(Laughter)—
the health of the Directors of the London and. Brighton
Railway, and success to their undertaking.—(Loud
applause.)
The toast was loudly applauded, and drank with four
times flour, and " one cheer more."
Mr. HARMAN then rose and said he was called upon
to discharge a most pleasing duty, which, however, he
approached with great diffidence, inasmuch as he feared
it would be impossible for him, in adequate language, to
express the feelings of his brother Directors on this
occasion. The very nature of their undertaking led the
Directors, when the line was first projected, to look to
Brighton for support—(Hear, hear}—and they were not
disappointed ; they received from Brighton that support
for which they looked. As they progressed in their
undertaking, they found what might very naturally have
been expected, that so great a change as was likely to be
wrought in the town by a railway communication with
the metropolis, was viewed with different feelings. They
were not surprised that such should be the case; but
they were quite sure that the day was not far distant,
when everyone who felt an interest in the success and
welfare of the town would hail the success and prosperity
of the railway as their own.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
It was difficult for him, after the very eloquent man-
ner in which the toast had been introduced, to follow it
as he could wish ; but if he failed in saying what he
ought to say, they would not believe it was from a
want of good feeling, but from a failing of nature. No-
thing could be so grateful to the Directors of the Lon-
don and Brighton Railway as the reception they had
that day met with from the inhabitants of Brighton.—
(Hear, hear.) The Directors had become, as it were,
Brighton men—(Hear)—their interests were the interests
of Brighton, and to have been received as they had been
that day—tO see the inhabitants, one and all, come out
to greet the first arrival by steam, and to have the toast
received and welcomed as it had been by this highly
respectable meeting, had been most gratifying. He
hoped and believed that the undertaking which they had
met to celebrate would lead to many and vast improve-
ments in this neighbourhood ; and he could not but
think that the completion of the railway, if they only took
advantage of it, would open to them a vast channel of
prosperity. He was looking, and with some anxiety, to
Brighton becoming the direct communication between
the two great capitals of the two greatest kingdoms on
the earth ; he had attended a meeting here where he
saw something like a prospect of the construction of a
floating breakwater off the town, which would enable
vessels to come in and out at all times a the tide. The
project, he believed, was capable of being carried into ef-
fect; it only wanted the energies of the people of Brighton
and the Directors of the Railway to carry it out.—(Loud
applause.) He begged the meeting not to mistake his
meaning ; let not the people of Brighton be deceived by
supposing that the Directors had funds at their com-
mand for such a purpose ; but this he begged to say,
that they had influence at their command, and where
they could exert that influence to the benefit of the town,
the inhabitants would always find them ready to do so.—
(Applause.) He must be permitted to trespass a short time
upon the attention of the meeting. When he looked to
the way in which the Directors had endeavoured to make
their Railway a most convenient mode of communication
to all parties, he was quite aware that in carrying
a work of this kind to completion, there were so
many difficulties, so many interests to attend to,
that it was impossible to please all, but he was
anxious to take an opportunity to explain what the Direc-
tors had done. The Directors considered the traffic likely
to come to this town a very superior traffic ; they looked at
Brighton as one of the first watering-places in the king-
dom—(Hear, hear)—they looked at it as inviting the
most respectable, the highest families in the kingdom to
come to it at certain periods of the year. He believed the
season which was the most fashionable was near at
hand, and in their arrangements the Directors
had endeavoured to give accommodation to that
class of persons to travel to Brighton with the
greatest comfort, and they had accordingly adopted
the plan of having first-class trains, not with a
view of shutting out any parties who might wish to travel
by them, far from it, but with a view to benefit the town,
for which they had been led to believe that without mak-
ing a distinction they might give umbrage to those per-
sons who brought most wealth to the town. Therefore
they had first-class trains, and mixed trains to carry both
first and second-class passengers. The plan was a new one;
it was open to improvement, and the Directors by no means
considered it as a final arrangement.—(Hear, hear. hear.)
Their object was, and had been, to give the best accom-
modation to, this great town and to the parties who were
in the habit of visiting it. He would not detain them
longer on this topic; but he might perhaps be allowed,
after the observations of the Hon. Gentleman who intro-
duced the toast, to carry the meeting back to the period
when the formation of the line was first projected. At that
period they were surrounded by difficulties to which he
need hardly do more than make an allusion. After
the termination of the Parliamentary contest, which
some Honourable Gentlemen present had reason to re-
member, for the Directors drew pretty largely on their
attention—after they had obtained the Bill, they met
with difficulties such as few other Companies ever had
to contend with. They had endeavoured to take that
straight-forward course which public men ought to take ;
they endeavoured to do justice to those who entrusted them
with their capital, as well as to those whose land was
taken for the purposes of the line. They had never de-
viated one iota from that straight-forward course. The
observations of those who had their own reasons for con-
demning them, they treated as they deserved. As pub-
lic men, the Directors were not insensible to public re-
marks and strictures ; but the remarks of those who took
every possible means of upbraiding them were despised.—
(Hear.) Had they for one moment suffered themselves to be
drawn away from the course which they pursued—had
they allowed the various stigmas that were attempted to
be fixed upon them to have weight—had they been faint-
hearted, they might have given up their hill ; the
town might now have been without a railway—
the Directors might have been he could not tell
where.—(A laugh.) He remembered when the Bill was
before the Committee of the House of Commons,
seeing a print of their deep cutting at Merstham,
with the Duke of York's monument in the middle of
it, representing the undertaking as a perfect farce ; he
remembered hearing men who ought to have known
better, who had a character at stake, give evidence
against the Direct line ; and if the Directors had not had
the most implicit confidence in their engineer—(Hear,
hear)—the line would most probably have been aban-
doned. But they had confidence in their engineer ; and
he was proud to say that that engineer had done all
he told them he could do.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.)
The course taken by the Directors appeared
also to have gained the confidence of the Shareholders ;
for he was bound to say, that upon all occasions the Di-
rectors had been, in a most extraordinary manner,
backed by them. They had had not only one Act of
Parliament, which he believed was not the case with
any other railway in the kingdom ; they had only
one set of shares ; they never issued half shares
or quarter shares ; and they had never sold their shares
at a discount.—(Cheers.) The Directors had pursued the
course which honest men ought to pursue ; and they had
that clay received the reward of honesty. He must now
beg to say a few words on the merits of the gentleman
who had conducted them through all their difficulties ;
he must bear testimony to that gentleman's unbounded
exertions, his great talent—(Hear)—and his eternal per-
severance—(Cheers)—for such difficulties as he had to
contend with were not easily overcome. What was the course
of their engineer, when difficulties which could not be fore-
seen overtook him? He (Mr. Harman) gave him credit
for great foresight; but there were difficulties which
could not be foreseen, and when they arrived what did he
say? lie did not say, " We have got into difficulties we
can't overcome; where shall we go? what shall we do?"
but he came and said, " A difficulty has occurred which
could not be foreseen, and I will tell you how to over-
come it. It is a matter of expense ; give me the means,
and I will remove the difficulty."—(Hear, hear.)
The Directors did give the means ; he overcame the dif-
ficulty, and they were now met to celebrate the event
which it was foretold could never be completed.
Others who thought better of them than these prophets,
had said the work might be done in ten years—(A laugh)
—their engineer said he could complete the work in three
years, and it was an extraordinary fact that exactly three
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greater confidence in their Directors and he believed
theirreward was at hand. It was difficult to speak of
themselves, and he hardly knew what to say on the 'pre-
sent occasion. He believed he must conclude the few
observations which he had made by borrowing a few
words from a celebrated poet:— -

" Some chord in unison with.what w!.. feel
Is struck within us, and the heart replies."
(Loud applause.)

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Mr. FOLKARD (the Deputy Chairman)—Equally
titled with the previous toast to your warmest reception
is the one which I have the honour to propose
e yon your
consideration; for of what avail would the anxiety,
and capital of the Directors.andProprietorG of our Raielrwga;
have been, had they not selected for their engineer a .gen-
tlemen who stands pre-eminent in the scientific world for
his professional talent, unwearied assiduity, and firmness
of mind ? When this vast undertaking was submitted
to the consideration of the public in juxta-position with
other projected lines, it was pronounced by eminent en-
gineers of that day to be impracticable, nature presenting
such obstacles on the line of country through which it
wau to pass, which no human skill could surmount. The
master mind of Mr. Rastrick repelled their assertions
as fallacies—(Loud applause)—and he staked his pro-
fessional reputation, not only on the practicability, but
on the successful completion of the London and Brighton
direct line of railway.—(Cheers.) That he has most
nobly carried out his superior scientific views, the occa-
sion of our a.ssemblinz at this festive board is an incon-
trov4.rtible demonstration.—(Flear.) When we consider

that only three years back the Act for forming the
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of a structure, the nrst couloienced on the line to Lo )(ion,
and which now forms one of the brightest ornaments of
our town ; when we reflect that since that period moun-
tains have been tunnelled, embankments formed, and
deep cuttings excavated, I am justified in stating that
the time occupied in the execution of the stupendous
works, appears brief indeed. Next in succession as de-
serving our approbation, are those professional gentle-
men who have had the honour to act under Mr. Rastrick
in superintending the execution of the works ; several of
them are well known to myself and fellow townsmen, and
are justly esteemed for their professional talent and good
citizenship.—(Cheers.) If we turn from the engineering
department to the office of the Directory, we shall find
that the services of Mr. Thomas Wood, the Secretarj,
are deserving of our commendation ; for zeal, promp-
titude, and gentlemanly attention have marked his official
career.—(Cheers.) If we come nearer home, and view the
official appointments at our terminus and the Shore-
ham branch, we must perceive that Mr. Dean, and
the gentlemen under him, are courteously active in
promoting the comfort and accommodation of the public,
—(Hear.) I am fully sensible that the observations of
so humble an individual as myself must be but of little
moment to a gentlemnn of such high standing in the
paths of science as Mr. Rastrick ; but, Sir, I feel proud,
as a tradesman of Brighton, at having the opportunity
to express my honest opinion of his exalted merits, and
the grateful sentiments of my fellow-townsmen, for
having by his unparalleled skill and indefatigable labours
completed a work which dawns with the brightest
prospect of prosperity to our highly-favoured town. I feel
assured, Gentlemen, that the warm reception you will
give to the toast will abundantly compensate for the de-
ficiency of the proposer, and prove to the gentlemen who
are the subjects of it how highly we esteem them for
their talents, and for having completed so stupendous an
undertaking.—(Loud cheers.)
Mr. RASTRICK never in his life rose with prouder feel-
ings than he did on the present occasion, to return thanks
for himself and those joined with him in the compli-
ment; and he believed they would all remember, as the
proudest moment of their lives, the present occasion,
when they had been invited to partake of such
an entertainment by such an assembly. Few gen-
tlemen in the room could imagine the difficulties which
the Directors and himself experienced, when they
first accompanied, him over the ground which now
forms the London and Brighton Railway. It took
them four days to complete a mere inspection of the
line ; they were frequently up to their knees in mud,
then making their way through brushwood, or forcing
their Ray through the forest. It was little more than three
years since they first put spade in the ground ; and
now they were met to celebrate the opening of the en-
tire line. Mr. Rastrick proceeded to contrast the state
of engineering science at present with what it was at the
time the Duke of Bridgewater constructed his cele-
brated canal. On its being suggested to carry a canal
over a river by means of an embankment and aqueduct,
only 30 feet high, one of the most scientific men of the
day, who was consulted by the Noble Duke as to the
practicability of the plan, replied, " I have heard of build-
ing castles in the air before, but I never till now was
shown the place where they were to be built." The cut-
tings on the Brighton Railway were immense, many of
them being 80 or 85 feet high, and one at Merstham 125
feet ; and the difference of level in one mile of ground,
from the top of Copyhold Hill to the bottom of the valley
of the Ouse was no less than 180 feet. From the first to
the last he had had the support of the Directors, who in
all his difficulties assisted him to the utmost extent of
their power; and he was happy to state that the line
was at this moment in excellent condition. There
might be some little places where, by and bye, a little
subsidence would occur, and a little reparation would he
required ; but lie :aid that, taking the line from the
Brighton terminus to its junction with the Croydon line,
it was as perfect a work as almost any railway in exis-
tence. The distance from Brighton to London was by
the railroad 501 miles ; and that distance they now ac-
complished in an hour and three quarters. Com-
paring this with the five and six hours of the
stage coaches, it might be expected that the
increased faciity of intercourse would cause a much
larger namber of visitors to come to Brighton,
and much benefit must arise in consequence. Some
years ago a French steamer came over to Brighton with
the Mayor of Dieppe, who was said to have remarked,
on seeing the magnificence of this place, that it was
a town of palaces. He (Mr. Rastrick) said it was the
Queen of Watering Places ; and he believed it would now
be visited ten times as much as ever it had been. Mr.
Rastrick concluded by thanking the meeting for the
compliment paid to himself and the officers of the com-
pany, and was loudly cheered as he resumed his seat.
Song by Mr. Davidson—" My grandfather was a most
wonderful man."

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Major ALLEN, after an eulogium on the late Lord-
Lieutenant of the county, the Earl of Egremont, pro-
posed the health of his successor in that office, " the Duke
of Richmond," who trod in the footsteps of the late Ear],
and discharged the high and important duties of his situ-
ation with honour to himbelf and satisfaction to the county.
His Grace was a promoter of the arts and sciences; and
those gentlemen who had witnessed his exertions in the
House of Lords as Chairman of the Committee which se-
cured to Brighton the advantages of this railroad, the
opening of which they were commemorating that day,
would give him the most unqualified praise.—(Dear.)
After some further remarks on the excellence and vir-
tues of the Noble Duke's private character. Major Allen
concluded by proposing the health of the " Lord Lieute-
nant of the county, the Duke of Richmond."—Three
times three.

Mr. GOODALL proposed " The High Sheriff of the
county, Sir It. Hunter."—Drank with the three times
three.

Mr. G. DEMPSTER proposed " The Bishop and Clergy
of the Diocese."—(Cheers.)
The CHAIRMAN proposed " The health of the Earl of
Surrey," a nobleman whose condescending kindness had
endeared him to every inhabitant of Brighton who had
the honour of being introduced to him, and who had sent
a fine buck for their feast.—(Cheers, three times three.)
Mr. C. WIGNEY proposed " Colonel Clarke and the
officers of the Scots Greys, and thanks to them for the
use of their band "—(Loud applause)—eulogizing their
services at Waterloo, and their gentlemanly demeanour
in private life.
Major HOBART, in the name of Colonel Clarke and hie
brother officers, returned thanks. It was always their study
to make themselves agreeable wherever they went ; and
they hoped the inhabitants had been pleased at their in-
troducing the band for their amusement. This railroad
was a delightful thing for the soldier, who formerly had
the services of his carger only, but could now leave
Brighton, breakfast in London, spend the day with his
friends, and return to his barracks in the evening. He
remembered being with his regiment at Chichester ten
years ago, when a railway from London to Brighton was
talked of, but only to be laughed at; yet they had now
met to celebrate the completion of this great undertaking.
Mr. ISAACSON proposed " The health of the members
for the eastern division of the county," which was loudly
applauded, and drunk with three times three.
Mr. DARBY, in returning thanks for himself and col-
league, said Mr. Fuller regretted that the death of a re-
lative prevented him from being present on this occasion.
Some of his (Mr. Darby's) most pleasurable associations
were connected with this town, and he was bound
to it by ties of a different and more public nature;
to which it would be improper to advert ; but he might
venture to assure the meeting that he felt deeply inter-
ested in its welfare and permanent prosperity, and that
the event which they had now met to celebrate, was the
commencement of a new era of prosperity.
Mr. W. FURNER proposed the health of the "Borough
Members," in doing which he adverted to their services
with regard to the Railway Act.
Captain PECHELL returned thanks for himself and col-
league. It had been observed, he said, that there could no:
be a greater satisfaction to man than the conquest of dif-
ficulties which at the outset appeared insurmountable.
The Railway Directors had vanquished obstacles which
were said at one time to be beyond their reach, and which
one of the most eminent engineers in the country had de-
clared could not be overcome, except by the assistance of
a miracle or some enormous power not yet known. The
gallant Captain then spoke of the projected breakwater,
which he said was the legitimate offspring of the Rail-
way, and remarked that if, by the completion of the
Rouen Railway and the construction of a harbour at
Brighton, the grand comirulication between the two
capitals should be through Brighton, that town would
probably attain a height of prosperity beyond the most
sanguine expectations.
Colonel VERNER remarked, that he was a Member of
the House of Commons' Committee on the Brighton
Railway Bills, and that a friend having requested his
support for one of the competing lines, he replied that
he could not pledge himself to any line, but that, after
he had heard the evidence, he would give his vote
for that line which appeared to him entitled on public
grounds to the preference. He attended accordingly,
and heard the whole of the evidence, not absenting him-
self a single day ; and he then voted in favour of the
direct line.—(Loud cheers.)
Mr. WIGNEY, who had sat down, rose again in obe-
Cience to a call made upon him by some persons present.
and briefly addressed the meeting, expressing his plea..
sure at seeing- so large a party present to celebrate the
completion of a
.work of such vast importance to the
town of Brighton.
Mr. HARMAN then said it fell to his lot to propose a
toast in which he heartily concurred. In the first place,
he was called upon to pay that respect which was due to
their Honourable Chairman, and he was sure that there
was no gentleman present who would not concur with
him in paying that respect.- (Cheers.) With that toast
he had the honour to couple " Prosperity to the town of
Brighton," with which was necessarily connected the
prosperity of that great undertaking in which he had the
honour to be concerned. The late period of the evening
prevented him from. going into the subject, but he would
repeat'his conviction that the prosperity of the town and
the pro'sperity of the railway were so intimately con-
nected, that one could not prosper without the other.
The CHAIRMAN said nu one present lamented the
absence of the High Constable more —than he did,
especially as that absence was occasioned by illness;
for the High Constable would, as a matter of course,
have filled the Chair, and received the compliment so
kindly paid to its present occupant. It was most
gratifying to him (Mr. Creasy) to receive that
compliment from one whom he had so long known
and so much reason to respect as Mr. -Harman, who
had now, he might say, become an inhabitant of
Brighton. The inhabitants had endeavoured to give the
Directors the warmest reception in their power, to
show their feeilng with regard to the great benefit
which they had conferred upon the town ; and although
at the other end of the line, the Directors might have a
more splendid banquet, they would never have a more
hearty welceme.—(" Hear," from Mr. Harman, and
cheers.) This Was the first time the inhabitants of

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position.—(Cheers.)
After some other toasts, Mr. HARMAN proposed the
health of the " Deputy-Chairman."
Mr. FOLICARD proposed the last toast of the evening'.
"The Ladies," after drinking which, the Chairman and
the principal portion of the company took their departure
IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

:Lord GI:AFFORD said that such a reii at LA goi
about.

Lord ELLENBOROUGH asked if any Englishman
had used the word torture, and accused any of the ser-
vants of the East India Company of executing it ?
Lord CLIFFORD said that no English subject had
used the word torture, but he understood that those per-
sons who were imprisoned by .the magistrates were
tortured.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH wished the Noble Lord to
read the foreign word which he translated torture.