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had been unjustly treated, and some compensatiot
was due to him from the Portuguese Government
for the insults and outrages ho had been subjected to.
Dr. Kalley was obliged, for his personal safety,
to quit. An examination was afterwards ins'ituted,
and the Governor and Lieutenant-Governor had been
dismissed for their excesses on that occasion. A trial of
others of the ringleaders took place, but from the con-
stitution of the jury, and the high position of some of
their families, they had been acquitted. Dr. Kalley at
present stood in this position. He was at present in
England ; he had had his property in Madeira restored
to the person authorised by himself to take pos-
session of it. But Dr. Kalley had now made a
demand of compensation for all the injuries he
had received. He (Lord Palmerston) had asked
the particular grounds on which he founded his claim,
and the amount at which be placed it, but he had es yet
received no answer. The natter, therefore, res'ed with
Dr. Kalley, and not with him. 1)r. Kalley had asked
whether he might return to Madeira ? There was
nothing to prevent his doing so but his own apprehen-
sions. lie trusted, therefore, that the Right Hon.
Baronet would not press for the production of these
par ors.
Sir It. 11. INGLIS agreed to postpone his motion, and
the subject dropped.
THIRD READINGS.
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The Militia Pay Bill was read a third time and
passed; as was the Trustees Relief Bill, after a few
words from Mr. JOHN STEWA RT.
BISHOPRIC OF MANCHESTER BILL.
On the order of the day that the House go into Com
mittee on this Bill being read,
Mr. FRE IN EN rose to ask the consent of the House
to the withdrawal of the following clause, which he had
wished to be inserted in the Bill:—And be it further
enacted, that from and after the death of the present
Archbishop of Canterbury the patronage of the several
advowsons of Rochdale, in the county of Lancaster, and
of Blackburn, in the said county, now held and enjoyed
by the Archbishop of Canterbury for the time being.
shall be separated from the see of Canterbury,
and shall be held and enjoyed by the Bishop of
Manchester for the time being, and his successors.
And be it further enacted, that the right of presentment
to the several perpetual curacies and chaplaincies, de•
pendent upon and appurtenant to the said advowsons,
hall, when the patronage of the same has vested in the
said bishop, be separated from the incumbency of the
said advowson, and shall vest in the said Bishop of Man-
chester, who shall thenceforth appoint directly to thi
-ame as the same shall become vacant.

The Hoti. MEMBER, after a few words, withdrew his
motion.
Mr. HUME said that he had occasion some short time
ago to visit the Privy Council—(Laughter)—and he had
met two bishops chuckling to each other. He
had no doubt (now that the purposes of this Bill could
not be mistaken) that the consent of the Government
had been had to the violation of the compact en-
rered into with the bench of bishops. But no circum-
stances had arisen to justify this breach of compact.
Great alterations had keen made in the laws in ftvour
,f civil and religious liberty within these few latter years.
Dissenters now Gnarled more than one-half of the whole
population of the United Kingdom, and he totally dis-
approved, in this state of circumstances, of the applica-
tion of the whole funds originally intended fur rdigious
purposes to one sect or party alone. From a return
wade to this house in the year 1828, it ap-
peared that there were 2,2G8 pluralities in con.
flexion with the Church, and when he proposed
a measure to abolish pluralities, and give a resident
clergyman to each parish, he was considered as tie
greatest enemy to the Church; the fact was, that had
his motion been acceded to, it would have been found
That in reality he proved himself to be the best friend to
the Church by bringing forward that proposition. Then,
with respect to the extravagant expenditure of the
bishops on their palatial residences, it was most preps
tenets. The House completely stultified itself by
submitting to this enormous expenditure on the
part of those who professed to be the
descendants of the Apostles, but who said
chat they could not live in anything else but palaces.
He should most certainly protest against any abstraction
of public money for the purposes of the bishops. It was
a most shameless attempt ou their part, pos,sessed as
they were already of such enormous incomes, to endea
your to obtain it by means of this Bill. He would
therefore move that the House go into Committee on
the Bill this day week.
Mr. M. PHILIPS thought that unnecessary haste
had been used in pressing forward this Bill, and he most
cordially seconded the motion of the Hoo. Member.
There was a strong feeling against the measure in Man-
chester itself, and very active proceedings had late!)
been taken by an association in that borough, formed
for the purpose of obtaining a better and mere equable
distribution of the property already possessed by the
Church. He thought that the better course would be to
withdraw the Bill.

Lord J. RUSSELL said that, considering the grew.
majority in favour of the second reading of the Bill. the
Howe need not be surprised at his intention of not
acceding to the proposition of the Hon. Member for
Montrose to withdraw the Bill ; on the contrary,
that he intended to proceed with the measure.
He thought that the reel argument to use upon this
question was, whether there were, or were not, a suffi

cient number of bishops for the government of the
Church. If there were not, as in the case, for instance,
of the diocese of Chester, where the duties to per-
form were too heavy for one bishop, the; only proper
course seemed to he to divide the diocese into two, and
create an additional bishop, especially as it was proposed
to pay the salary of the new bishop out of the funds
derivel from a reduction of the revenues of the sees of
Durham, Ely, and other bishoprics.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that as the Hon. Member for
Manchester had made a confession of his opinions to
the House, he would trouble the House by informing
them that he was a sincere member of the Church of
England. With respect to the Bill, he thought that
the great amount of the property of the Church
formed the only fund upon which future
reliance could be placed for the instruction of the
people of this country in the principles of the Church et
England, and be thought that it would be idle to sup-
pose that any future assistance for the purposes of the
Church of England could be obtained from the taxes
levied upon the people of England. The duty of
this House and the Government was now to deal with
the distribution of the Church property in such a manner
as might be considered best adapted for the purpose oi
improving the moral and religious condition o'
the people of England. Ho certainly did think
that if the Episcopal Fund were to be kept
separate and distinct under the management of the Ec-
clesiastical Commissioners, it would be better to make
a stand at once, and say that this House would not
sanction the endowment of any future bishops. It ap-
peared that there were two funds kept !distinct
by the Ecclesiastical Commissioners. These were
the "episcopal fund" and the "common fund."
And an Act was passed in the year 1840, the effect of
which was to fuse into one these two separate and dis
tinct funds ; but in the year 1841 an Act was passed
to amend the Act of 1840, thereby repealing the pro-
visions of the former Act ; and he could not deny
hut that subsequent Acts had recogniaed that
repeal of the provision for the fusion of the two funds.
In the late Government the subject of this Bill was very
frequently discussed, but it was finally decided by her
Majesty's advisers that they would not recommend th
adoption of the course proposed by the present Bill.
DuringtheMelbourneAdministration arcport was printed
by the Commissioners, recommending that no increase
of the number of the bishops should be made. That
report was signed by Lord Cottenham. the Marquis of
Lansdowne, Lord Melbourne, and Lord John Russell.
Now, it had been said that the duties assigned to th.-
bishops were generally too heavy. This brought him to
consider really what the duties of these bishops were.
First, they had to perform the ordination services, which
were confined to one of thtee early weeks in the year;
then they had to make a triennial visitation and ordina
tion ; and he was reminded of the service of the con-
secration of the churches, but with respect to the lett, r
duties, he thought that he would be a fortunate bishop
who had three or four of these duties to perform in th,
half year. New, he really could not think that. these
labours were too much for any one bishop, and he was
borne out in that opinion by the fact, that in some of
the sees the duties were ably performed by bishops above
the age of eighty years. He thought that the osse of the
diocese of Chester was a peculiar one, and he really thought
that upon a vacancy occurring in the see of St. Asaph,
the Bishop of Bangor might have undertaken the ditties
of the two sees, and filling up the vacant see by the
creation of a Bishop of Manchester. A majority of the.
other House, and her Majesty's responsible advisers, had,
however, thought it necessary to recommend the kerne-.
diate creation of the see of Manchester. It appeared
that with respect to the episcopal fund, there was a sur-
plus in hand already amounting to the sum required for
the endowment of this new bishopric, and if he went into
Committee on this Bill, he should make an arrangement
at once for the utter obliteration of the distinctness of
the two funds, and for causing the whole amount of the
two funds to be appropriated for the entire wants of the
Church ; and it was his intention, with that view, to
move in Committee to expunge the second clause of the
Bill, and he believed that in so doing he should be best
carry ing out the recommendations of the report of the
Ecclesiastical Commissioners. From the report of that
Commission, it appeared that in the four dioceses of Lon-
don, Chester, York, aid Lichfield, there were
108 parishes and districts, containing a popu-
lation of 2,590,000 persons, with about accomino-
elation for only 276,000, and although since
that report was printed in the year 1836. Considerable
efforts had been made to remedy the evil; still, so far
from mitigating, the evil had only increased with the
increase of the population. He deprecated, therefore,
any application of the funds of the episcopal or canon
fund towards the erection of new bishoprics, instead of
meeting the intensity of the evil. He had the strongest
view of the impolicy of creating a new bishop unb-ss he
were to be invested with the whole honours attendant
upon his office. It would be causing a most invidious
comparison to be made between the new bishop and the
others, by keeping the one constantly h
confined. to the
duties of his see, and having no calls upon time
in
consequence of his attendance at his Parliamentary
duties. Then again this measure would deprive some of
the older sees of the right which they had held for cen-
turies, to sit in the House of Lords whenever a vacancy
occurred; but here exception was to be made in favour
of tha sees of Durham and Winchester, but why should
this exception be made? He really saw no principle in
the measure.—(llear.) He would oppose anything like
factious opposition to the Bill; he was prepared to go
into Committee on this Bill, and he was prepared to
move to strike out from the preamble of the Bill all those
words which which gave or implied sanction to the erec-
tion cf any new bishoprics beside the first, end he would
also move to strike oat the second clause of the Bill. He
believed that the first measure would be a fatal gift to
the Church; it was not ornament which the building re-
quired, but buttresses to support the fabzio. Entertain-