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hoer. reit it his duty to bring it forward.—(Trear,
1.1:?.rr hear.)----`The obstacles which had fcinnerly
• 's too,! in its way were such; that in his opinion, to
brier it forward could have but the effect ain-
urioiisly the public mind. Those 0b.7
stifles, to which he particularly alluded, existed
longer: The unfortunate situation of the
King, and after' the time which had elapsed,
there was, at, preSent :between Parliament and
the lixecutiNe Power no objection to the Measure.
He agreed With the• llight Honokirable Gentle.-
man,7that WPaat had taken Plaice in th course of.
1: the Session,. evinced n ditpositionnon the part of
:Parliament.; to. enter into a consideration of the
Which did' .not appear hefors'.); -and this
vent to prove, that; the time was come, -when, it
was almost impoable for any Government to
pause on the propriety of taking it into consider- .
ation. He wished to he underStoode that he only
'expressed his awn individual sentiments,- as the-
otter Members of the Cabinet -bad done theirs ;
and, he trusted, the line be took,. on-the present
occasion, would be found con intent with what he
had frequently stated, that thounh,tfninethe sir
comstauces Of the times, heewas obliged to resist
if then,. he Was still friendly to the measure. Be-.
fore the Union be had bad it in 'itis mind thatthe-
progress of eirennistandeS would hare a terridency
to introduce the -Catholics into the tiias tittition,
even-if Ireland bad remained a separate country, -
and' this' had iocem With him one • inducement to
peess the Union, Which he trirt-ted tetoild pisve
mete.sure of cOnciliattoo andmatuakndvantage. He
then noticed :that - anomato in the Constitution
evel.i.,ll was oresented ~by the sitnation of the
dish Catholics, echo3e. coodnet had been so.
imOxeeptioosble, that it bad never eenetec.ted them
even to the- -least rionete of imprudence, yet they
were not only- labouring under all the ditebilities •
cinoplainefl of by the Catholics of 'but
they were exposed to the - penal laWs, the ope-
• ration of which was such, that the humarmity of
the tieies would not suffer thetti to be enforced.
Wherohe !oeleed this, he had always felt that
the Constitution. could not rest securely till some
alteration was effected. This stench hifit the more
foreibly, when he eimsiTered. that in Scotland a
Cath&ic might fill the liehest °Kees in the State,
while their sinationnvas.such as be had described
'in England. Feeling that the Constitution could
not rest so, he had looked forward to ,the.l.Tnion
as to that .which might accelerate the means of
effecting a-Changer and it was now .for theni to
make the hest use of the situations in 'which they
were platted. He bade, however, never looked
forward to a .concession_ of the Catholic Claims
as a uneesure that could he eithee wise or politic,
nteless it were accompanied yeith safeguards,Whicb
world sufficiently guarantee the
_safety of the
Constitution. With respect to the securities Ile-
ce,sary to be given, he had- never looked to any
that went to impose any thing at varianee with
the principles of their religion ; he had never
wished, for any concessions that would degrade or
dishonour them, or that were not as valuable tm
be ceniceded by them as to-be received by the
Protestants,- Ile had wished for no securities .
• which the Catho!ics bad not recognised in other
cooetries, as compatible with the principles of
their relinion: lie-had wished to follow the ex-.
ample to ear Catholic ancestors, in the measures
they took roe guarding against theefiectsof fo,
• reigi inffueoete As to what had been- said of the
Pope, he would stay,- that, however feeble lie
might be in the hands of the Tyrant ofTrance, be
would be formidable in England, and still-more so
in 'lreland: It -had been said- that the Pone had
rrot nominated an Irish Catholic bishop for a
considerable • nuroher oftyearSt He doubted the
.correctness of this statement ; but if it were Cott-:
rest, it was to be remembered, that if -that con
tended for a ere allowed, he might nominate every
Irish rishop. The See of Rome, as. at present
e existing, and likely to esi,t, might give Buono.- .
parte. of • giving the Papal dignity
-to CardinaCresche 'What influence might he not
gain by sneh . means in Irelaod ?. Ile could not ,
• be mere aware of the danger on this head tban the
Gentleman (Mr, Grattan) himself,
• nsbchad on -a former occasion,. When he brought
the- question on th.e Catholte Claims;
'stated- it to.be essential _to the security. of the em-
pire,-beat etve shunt, be properly guarded -against
the effeets- of foreign influence-tin Ireland. - 'He-
- ,did not sarthat the existence of foreign influence
should' eXeludee then from-the.Constitutiony but
this.he said, that when: they were admitted to the
. Constitution, they, ought to unite withtuS in pro-
tecting it against all foreign enemies. Re Wished
them to subscribe to nothing to which-they had
not already, subscribed . other countries. In
Spain, •as had been stcted by an Hon: Baronet,'
whose accuracy and historical knowledge could be
depended upon, though the most bizotted cOun-
- try in Ludo?pe, it had been thoughtmeeessary-to
onard against the influence -of the Pope in the
of the State. - lie thought with the Catho-
lics in Ireland, there ought to exist.-no connection
which was not 'avowed mid notorion.S. He wished
riaat passed between them to be pOlic, to guard
• a.getiost the suspictizel of nik' ser.et. foreign
isiflti-
• erne.. - Lie wished theEL...Me to Understand, that •
he had thought of .requiring' ,no, securities 'Which
the CatnolieS had net given in other Countries to
guaett against a foreign secretinflunnce, which
they knew might be abused. He had no oblec-
ti.on 'to vote ton the motion in its taegest sense.,_
aeti no objection to the C'atho'lics beieg admitted
..to the fUllest paeticipntion to the Constitution,
,provideci the requisite, securities were-given.. The
tentfits which Would result feom their being ant-
nritt4ed into. the :Constitptien would consist in
their feeliog - tionnsel ve,t, placed on a. footing of
eeteality. with -theft Proteetaut brethren, feeling
that the Catholics would no longir,be dangerous
to the. Protestants. If it ytere ;tot gone, the tjut,
• tion must be: ertpected to`. come :Infore them year
after. veare till the Protestants and•Catholies were
settled on a.footing of •poitical equolitye'Re bad
-no hesitation in warmly concurring with the eso-
lution, and with tie proposition for a final adjust-
-lof .the Catholic_Claims, Ile on!,y desired that
adequate regolations might be made, and this done,
be was will; ote to concede all they asked. Itle had
no objection to the second resolution of ehe Right
Lion. Gentleman, which went to lay the resolution

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