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and would have referred to what passed on a former

occasion.

He should in that case have been asked

by -them, whether it w:-.s fair again to bring a mat-
ter before Pat liament, which had already been de•
cided upon, and upon which it had given warning
to future creditors of His Royal Highness, that
they would enjoy no legal obligation for the paymeht
of their demands. This, he was persuaded, had he

proposed the measure now recommended by the
Right Honourable Gentleman, and Honourable
Gentleman opposite, .would have been the ground .
which they would have taken; unles, indeed, he .
had experienced a singular good fortune, of whish
no precedent existed. He was persuaded, how-
ever, and lie trusted that the House would think
with him, that the mode proposed by the Bill, was
the mode most consistent with their duty, both to
his Royal H:gliness, and
.to the country, it had
been asked, it it was intended to constitute two
privy purses ? Certainly, it was intended to give
his Royal Highness the Prince Regent a privy purse.
To this the Right Honourable Gentleman had no
objection.: Then,- as to the charges incurred during
the present reign, it surely would not be right to
incumber the Regent With them, nor with the ex-
pences of the medical men., which the unhappy
state of his Majesty rendered it necessary should be
about his person. All these charges would come
with propriety out of the 60,000 i. allotted to his
Majesty for such purposes. Adverting to e hat had
been said by the Right Honourable Gentleman re,
spetiing the Princesses, he observed; that he had
been very much misunderstood on that subject...se, .
The Right Honoarable Gentleman bad asserted that
he (the Chancellor of the Exelirquer) bad said, that
when the Princesses were in hiss n they might lite
with the Prince, and that when they Avert: in the
country they might live with the Queen: He had
said no such thing. When asked it any arrange-
ments had been made on the subjeet, he had replred
that he had received no commands to make any (iis.
tine statement upon it to the House ; but tout it
did appear to him a thing desirable, tied that it .
would appear to Parliament desirable to make some
arrangement for that purpose. Deprived of that aid
which their Royal Highnesses had been accustomea
to receive from their Fa!her, he did conceive that
their situation might afford a proper subjeti for the
dehbershon of Parliament, to consider whether any,
or what. assistance should be furnished them. There
was one point of the new arrangement, however,
on which both the Right Honourable Gentleman,
and the Honourable Gentleman had thought fit to
lay great stress. It was that part of the eS'ablish-
ment which was reserved to attend on his Majesty's
person, and which was to be under the controol of
her Majesty. There Were various objetitioes to this
part of the proposition. The first was to the extent
of the establishment so reserved. • It might be re•
collet-led, that on a former occasion he had stated it
to be his opinion, that the House would not do well
if they provided in this respect, as if his Majesty
must remain in the unhappy state in which he %vat
at present placed ; and that they ought to consider
the possibil.ty of his regaining complete conscious-
ness, even should he never be enabled to resume the
reins of Government. But he was accused of not
having put questions on this subjeEt to The Physi-
cians. There was no reason for putting them.s-,
They had distinctly stated that there were intervals
in which he was capable of enjoying the society of
his family. (" Not since July," ji om the Opposi-
tion Benches.)—That was true ; but there was no
reason to conclude that the thing was impossible;
and. when cases of a similar description were consi-
dered, it appeared that it was not less prob Joie since
that period that his Majesty should recover the con-
sciousness to which he alluded, than that betC:rd that
period he should have recovered the power of beire,
able to exercise the Royal Authority. 11, th,refore,
the House at all took this circa nsaance into consie
deration, they must determine that something like
the dignity of a King should surround his Majesty,
and surely that which was proposed Was not too moth
-.for such aperpose. Btet the principal objedioo, it
seemed,. lay to this establishment being paced
under the controul of the Queen. The Honourable
Gentleman opposite affected to perceive in that cir-
cumstance symptoms of a continuance of that most
determined and settled distrust of his Royal I-righ•
ness the Prince Regent 3 which, according to him,
had pervaded the whole of the propositions which
he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had thought
psopoir, on a former occasion, to submit to the
adoption of Parliament. Now; really, if the Gen•
tlemen opposite could find out any motive by which
the most despicable and most foolish of men could
possibly be induced, under the present circurn.•
stances, to evince a deep and Marked disresped to-
wards, and distrust of, his Royal Highness the Prince
Regent, he left them to enjoy their discovery: For
his part, he was not conscious of any feeling in his
own Mind- so absurd. But- let the House see what
those who were so (tenderly anxious zbout the Ras

gtnt's feelings and character proposed. They Con-
tended, that because his Royal Highness wisA wor-
thy of confidence (in which he cordially cons urred
with I hem), that therefore the whole controul of his
Royal Father's Household should be -left in his
hands. They thought this would conduce to his
ease and comfort. For•his part, he could not con-
ceive a more invidious situation than that in which
such an arrangement would place the Prince; nor
could he imagine any thing more revolting ip his
Royal Highness's feelings. - The -Hon. Gentleman
opposite acknowledged that the care of his Majes-
tv's ' person might to be entrusted to the Queert.;--
If, therefore, any distrust of his Royal Highness ex-
isted, here was distrust of the blackest kind. But,
surely, if it were right than the person of his Ma-
jesty should be plaead under the care of the Queen,
it was right that the attendants on - his. Majesty
should he placed under her Majesty's controul; and
he was persuaded that nothing could be more grate-
ful to his Royal Highness's feelings, than that it
should be so arranged. The Right Hon. Gentles
man, however, seemed to think that he (the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer), and those- with whom he
bad the honour to act, had no means of knowing
the sentiments of his Royal Highness, because of
the restrietions under which he was placed. But he
would ask the House whether, if his Royal High-
ness really thought that his Ministers were insulting
and dee oiding him, there was any thing in these re-
strictions, so soon about to- expire, which would so
restrain hint in the exercise of his Royal Faanttions,
as to induce his Royal Highness not to withdraw the
sanCtion of his authority from such servants ? But
if it were supposed that ivlinisters were ignorant of
the Prince's pleasure, at least it ought not to be
supposed that they would he so absurd as to pro-
pose any thing to Parliament highly offensive to his
Royal Highness. The House ought rather to b'-
lieve that the subject had been submitted to the
mature consideration of his Royal Highness; that
his Royal Highness had been advised to adopt the
plan which had been submitted to Parliament.; and
that that advice had been accepted. No one could
suppose for a moment that his Royal Highness was
not as free to change his Ministers, or that he did
not possess as much authority in his Councils,
as if these restrictions, which were so soon to
terminate, . had already expired. With regard
to the situation in which his Royal Highness
would have been placed, had the controul
over his Majesty's person, and the invidious
--task of doling out such a portion of the Civil
Liq as he thought proper, been committed by him,
lie had no hesitation in saying that the stuation in
which the Bill before the House would place his
Royal Highness, manifested a much more delicate
aitention to his character and feelings. • Had the
other course been pursued, had it been proposed
by him to transfer the whole controul to his Royal
Highness, riffn he should have been told (and told
wit h infinite justice) that it was casting an invidious
task upon his Royal Highness, and laying by in or-
der to have a future opportunoy of insinuating that
the Roy,' Father had been neglected by the Royal
Sort. He would not attempt to answer the obser-
vations vv (licit had been made by the Honourable
Gatoletean opposite. On this and on every Other
occas on he had poposed that-which had aiWays ap-.
p area to b' to him the best plan. The Gentlemen
oopo‘iie called it the worst, but at least he hoped
the House and the country would think it much
better than any thing they had suggested. What
evils did not the Honourable Gentletn in affect to
see in this proposed establiahment ! What patron-
age ! Four Lords of the Bedchamber ! and all the
pages ! Then so many seats in Parliam4Dit ! and
thst oas the retreat he had prepared fur
:ilia had been called a new Court. As individuals
surrounding the Monarch, they were unqueation-
ab6 a Court. But there was nothing new in this.
When his Royal Highness the Prince of Wales ar-
'rived at that period of life when an eatabhshment be-
came its for him, an-establishment was form-
ed, and Parliament entertained no apprehensions of
the iallueoce which his Court would occasion.
Surely the Constitution of England was not so nice-
ly balanced that four Lords rif the Bedchamber could
overturn it, even with the addition of all the pages.
He c, old not conceive that, either in or out of the
Binge, there could exist on the one hand any ra-
tional apprehension of the Constitutional jealousy
which the co-operation of the two Courts might be
the means of occasiouing ; or, on the other hand,
my rational apprehension of the inconvenience which
the hostility- of the two Courts might be calculated
to promote or produce. Minute details he would re-
set ye for the Committee. He had gone as far as he
could to obviate t he general objections to the measure.
Fin trusted the House
.weuld feel -that no one coeid
rote ag !nisi t i,e principle of the Bill who did not think
that it was radically wrung to propose any arrange.
ment before the expiration of the restrithons—that
it was imot raper io surround the King with any dig.
n•ty, tool equally isnoroper to toot ust the Queen wirh
the controul ef those iridonduals who were to be in
attendance on her Royal Coesort's person. It the
erraiesetnents were too :2XteilSiVe, in the Committee
they meget be co! tailed ; if they were too limited,
in !tie Committee they mnight Lie iiqecased. The
general principle was, that on which the House had
at present solely to decide.
Mr

ARBUTHNOT thanked the Hon. Gentleman
opposite for. the opportunity which he had afforded
him ,olassuring the House that he was anxious that
the fullest and most unreserved examination should
take place into the accounts which had been alluded
to. He must, also express his acknowledgements
to the Honourable- Gentleman for the manner in"
which he had been pleased to speak of his private
lite, and. he hoped, when the accounts were ex-::
gruined, the Honourable Gentleman would see no-
thing in his public condebt; Wideh would .preclude
bin) Irmo a continuance of his good Opinion. Up-
quetionably the sums in the accounts to which:he
had aFt-aded, were large.* He felt that an explana-
tion was necessary, both for his own sake and for
that of the country, and he repeated,• that he was
really and sincertly anxious to ail4dall the infor-
'nation on the subject that it was in his power to
He flattered lOrnsolf, that until that eluci-
aimon shooid take place, the candour of the House
w‘n:ld I e,eue bi,infroth any unjust or uncenerous
iut-
pniatiun on t,is COoLiiet.

provde

['Want or moon .obliges ns to give only a very
brict desci:ption of the tetnai:,der of the dtlxne.]

Itr. rot4sotaT doncltdect a short speech by vot:
ing for the proposition of his Hon. Friend, not to
put the measure aside altogether, but to postpone it
for a time, that they might have more information
on the subject.
Mr. ADAM thought they would have a better'op.
portunity of discussing the clauses of the Bill in the
Committee.

Ir. TtixtitY explained.
The House then divided--
For going into the Committee •
Against it
Majority -

rot
59
- -82

.0n re-entering the gallerh, we found the House
in a Committee. On the diuse ena&ing, that
3a,0001. shall be transferredlium the Noce of
\Vales's Exchequer Income to the Civil List, some
discussion took place as to the right possessed by the
House, of giving away the property of an indi-
vidual without•his consent formally notified. On
:this point the House resumed, and the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer communicated the Prince"
Regent's consent to the House. Mr. Twrney,
however, still thought the proceeding irregular,—
his consent being given as the consent of the Re-
gent and not of the Prince of Wales. Mr. ADAM
stated hitustlf to be authorised to give the Prince
Regent's consent as Prince of Wales. , The SPEAKER
thought, in .point of form, the consent of his Royal
Highness was now complete, and the House again
resolved itself into the Committee.

AIr.'BRAND Objled to the clause asst thus stood,
and stated himselfto have had an intention of mov-
ing an Amendment.
Mr. ADAM went into a detail of what had been
the situation and the conduct of the Prince. He
took a view of the circumstances which rendered it
itnpradicable for the provisions of the Act of 1795
to be carried into effed, and noticed the con-
sequent proceedings in 1803. The patriotic con-
dud os his Royal Righness in 1803, in taking upon
him debts contrasted by another Royal person-
age. He also adverted to, and took notice of the
various arrangements made to• satisfy-,the claims
upon him, slid bore his testimony to the regularity
with which they had been ena.iiited upon a very con-
siderable period. He enumerated the sums which
at various periods the Prince had received from Par-
liament, and comp iring these with whit, at varioos
periods be jiad given up to the public, he Lied& ed,
it to be his opinion, that the clause under' corf.sidera-
lion ought to pass almost with acclamation ; and
even it Patliament had been caked upon discharge
the Prince's debts, the fads he had stated wog-.IA, he
thought, have proved that such a grant might be
justifiable.

Some farther conversation passed on the clause,
in which Mr. BEA ND and Mr. TIERNEY pal ticipaied
after which, fh: question was put and carded.
A discussion arose on the 15th Cause, on which
the Coultuittee di: ided,

For the Clause
Against it
Majority

... Joi
33
-- 72,

When strancers were again admitted, the Chair-
man had left the Chinr. The House resumed, and
the Repo, rof the Committee was ordered to be re-
ceived to:morrow.
Adjourned at One o'clock this morning.

ERRATUM. —ln the Officiai iiiberik-,44n our Se.
ccnd Editloll yesterday, tur Lord HAWK L3LIY. read Lieut.
fIAWKESLEY.

• MAILS.
AR AI V ID—t Cadiz, t Lisbon, i Dublin.. big—a-Brazils,
Watertotd.

PRICE OF STOCKS.
THIS DAY AT TWaLVio'CLoest.
Conf. 62i j/ ; Red. Ann. 63i j Uranium A dis.

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•oLIM QUIS I/ICI/RS IPALIU/4 ?

LONDON
TUESDAY, JANUARY 28, 1812.
We feel great pleasure in laying befog our re tiers
the following Official Bulletin, whlcti, was iZutel
this morning at the Admiralty. We are led to live,
frdrn the concluding part of it,. that the reports re-
specting Valencia will turn out to be either un-
founded or greatly exaggerated.
" Admiralty OAT., Jan. 2e.
" By dispatches this day received from Commo-
dore PENIVOSE, at Gibraltar, dated theist, 6th, and
9th Inst. it appears that in the middle Of the day on
the 30th ult. he received information that the breach
in the walls of Tarifa appeared' pratlicable, and
that the town had been summoned ;14 surrender,
and a proper answer returned ; that at live P.M.
on the Ist inst. he received intelligence that 4 storm
',had been attempted about one nil the tireced-
ing day by about two thousand rnervAnd the ene-
my repulsed with the loss of about three hundred
men ; our loss consisted of only two officers and
three men. The bad weather and incessant rains,
appear to hare reduced the enemy to great distress,
and sickness preVailed to 'a great degree. • The ene-
my made a precipitate retreat on the =mine-
of the 511),,leaving behind _the whole of their artil-
lery, consisting of seven guns, and' fAtro mortars,
with &lint and shells, and an immense enintity: of
entrenching tools; •
" Commodore PENROSE speaks in the highest
terms of praise of the conduct of the Officers and
men beloiging to his Majesty's ships end. vessels
employed before Tariffa during the siege.
" 'He. adds, that from vatious reports rispecting
Valencia, lie is led to hope, that although, he lines
were stormed, yet it is possible that the town itself
continues to resist.
" The„ Magnificent is arrived at Plymouth.—
The Captain was at Valencia ou Ow-25th ult.,

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when an WS sate and quiet, tin 4 there appeared rot
the least reason to apprehend those disastrous events'
which are reported to have taken place fiat dad•."

This morning we received Spanish arid Portu-
guese Papers, from which We have only room to
make the followitig ettrkis

LISBON, JAN. 13.--14mietiok, Governor of fla-
dajoz, ordered on' the 3d the garrison to be put
upon half an allowance of flesh meat, and has di-
reEted the inhabitants who remained in it to quit on
account of the scarcity of provisions, principally of
bread, which sells at 320 reals.
CADIZ, JAN. 11.—The Government his received
dispatches from General MAnt, who retired to Al-
ziria ; they state, that a division of MArtmoNT's
army having arrived, our army was, on the 26!1),
attacked, and forced to retire. It appears, that Ge-
neral MAHI attempted to open a communication
with Valencia, but did not succeed ; and !hit Ge-
neral BLA Ku was shut up in that capital. We have
heard that General BALLASTEROS will proceed to
that city.

JAN. q.—On the 301 h December, the enemy
opened a breach six feet wide in the walls of Tarifa.
On the 31st, the impetuosity of the French not
being able to defer the assauli longer, gave it with
twelve companies of light troops and ten of Volti-
geurs, who succeeded in entering t►he breach, and
there met with a death, from which they could not
escape, attacked by the valour and intrepidity of
Cautabria, Asturias, &c. and the bravery of our
allies.

CADIZ, JAN. 13.—There is .a probability of an
immediate change in this Government. We are
highly delighted with the gallant resistance of Ta-
rifa, though we are much afraid we have to regret
the loss or dispersion of BLAKR'S army before Va-
lencia, and eventually of that famous rich city.

Moniteurs and minor Paris Papers of the stst and
and Q2d inst. have been received ; they are perfealy
silent upon the affairs of the Peninsula.

As the follow;ng official Bulletin of the substance
of the dispatches from Lord 'WELLINGTON only ap-
peared in a part of our impression yesterday, we
think it necessary to insert it again this day.

. BULLETIN.
VAR DEPARTMENT.

Downing-street, lan. 27.
A Dispatch is received from Lord WELLINGTON,
dated Galiegos, Ilona! g.
His Lordship invwed Ciudad Rodrigo on the alb,
—The enemy had increased the difficulty of ap-
proaching the place, by a strong redoubt, constro6l-
- on the field of St. Francisco. It was necessary
to attempt to take it. It was stormed on the night
of the Bth, by a detachment of the Light Division,
led by Lieut. Col. COLBORNE. The work was car-
ried in the most brilliant manner, and all the gar-
riion either killed,or taken.

Our loss was only six men ki;led ; Capt. MEIN
and Lieutenant \VOODGATE, of the 59. d, and Lieut.
1-lAwtscst,slr, of the 95th, with fourteen men,
wounded. By this success, Lord :WELLINGTON
has been enabled to break ground within- 600 ym-ds
of the place; the redoubt of St. Francisco being
converted into a part of the first paral.lel.

General HILL entered Merida on tlTe 3011) of De-
cember. lie hA hoped to surprize General ajm-
naowsKt, but his approach was dlicovered by a
patrole. The French General retreated from Me-
rida, leaving maga,..ines of bread and v+ heat, and
teveral unfini:ibed works.

On the Ist, Gene►al HILL marched to attack
DRouET's cops, at Akuendralego, but tie enemy
retreated to Zalr,i, abandoning 4.50,0001b5. a
wheat, &c.

On the 3d, a detachment of our cavalry beat a
body of the enemy's horse, at Pu2tite del Maestro,
taking two officers and thirty men prisoners.
General D►toUET retreating - to Llerena, General
H►LL found it useless to pursue him, and returt.ed
on the sal of January ►o Merida.

His Royal Highness the PRINCE REGENT arrived
at a late hiur on Sunday night, from Windsor, at
Carlton House, Rs Royal Highness gave audience
yesterday to the Earl of MOIRA, Mr. SHERIDAN,
and Mr. ADAM.

His Royal'H•ghness the PRINCE REGENT had a
select patty to dinner yesterday, at Carlton House.
He walked in ►he forenoon to the• HorSe Guards.
Yesterday the Princess CHARLOTTE Of WALES
had her first dinner party at Warwick House : the
company consisted of the Duchesi of YORK, and
seven others.

The Duke of Yoiu will give a grand dinner next
Saturday, at Yotk

The Kill of 'LIVERPOOL will give a grand dinner
his day.

To-morrow the Eirl'of NVES.TMORLANb Will give
a C.ibinet dinuer.

Admiral YouN6, ‘t hen he,restunes the command.,
of the fleet oft the SOeldt, is to hoist his flag on
b6o-d the impregnable, of 98 guns, initect of the.
Christian VII.

11,..ar-Admiral MANLY DIXON IS appointed to suc-
ceed the. Flop. Admiral DE COURCY 10 the command
on the coast of South America. He will go Out in
the Vigo, 74, commanded by Captain I\I4NLY
DiXON.

SECOND EDiTION.

iSithY OFFIVE,
TWO O'CLOCK, P .

BULLETIN.
Downing -street, Jan. 28, 1812.

Captain. O'DoxAntre, Aid-de-Camp to Colonel
SKERRETT, arrived this moroing at Lord LIVER..
1,00I.;3 Office, with Dispatches ftom Major General
Cooktt and Colonel Stlatiarrt, containing the sa•
tisfa6lory intelligence of the complete repulse of a
strong detachment of the French Army,- under
Marshal VICTOR, in an attempt to take Tarifa-by
storm, on the :list of December, and that on the
morning of the 4(11 of Jawlary, the whole of tivt
French army retreated from before that place, leav-
ing in possession of the allied troops the whole of the
artillery, ammunition, and stores.

The French force employed. under it Vice
TOR, in I be attempt to reduce Tarifa, appears to ha! e
consisted of 10,000 men, and the Allied Force op-
posed to them, of not more than 1000 British and
7 or 800 Spanish troops.

COI. SKERRETT speaks in the highest terms of
the admirable condua of all the troops under his
command. He praises particularly the exertions of
Lieut. Col. Lord Paorre, second in command ; d
Capt. SMITH, of the Royal Engineers, and of Liebt.
COI. GOUGH, of the 2d Battalion of 87th Regiment.
The British loss consists of two Officers, Lieut.
LONGLY, R. E. and Lieut HALL, 2d Batt. 47th,
and seven rank arid file, killed :—Three Officers,
Lieut. HILL, 2d Bart. 47th ; Lieut. CALItIOLL and
Ensign WALLEa, 2d Bait. 87th, and 24 rank and
file, wounded.

A letter was this day sent to the-Loan 111.,tyoz
from Lord LIVERPOOL, with the above intelligence,
but as it is verbatim the same, we do not insert it,

There is great rea3on to hope that the report of
the tall of 'Valencia, on the Vith, is not well'lnond-
ed. It is certain that the firing continued on th 4
27th ; and there are accounts from Alicant of the
3lit, which make no mention of the surrender of
the place.

we have just heard, by a letter from Buenos
Ayres, dated November 5, that the differmces be-
tween that place and Monte Video are completely
settled.

NAVAL NEWS. -1

PLYMOUTH, JAN. 20.742iied his Majesty's ship
Conqueror for the Downs, with a convoy.
Came in the American schooner Fly, of and from
Baltimore, for Bourdeaux, with a cargo of cotie,•,
indigo, &c. detained by his Majesty's ship Unicorn.
Its Majesty's ship Favourite has re-captured the
Spanish brig Lnion, from Cotunna.
FALMOUTH, JAN. 25.—Arrived this day the Marl-
torough packet, BULL-; with mails, in twelve days
from Lisbon, left there the -V/singiant and Princess
Eliz,a7;eth packets. Dispatches were received at
Lisbon from Head-quarters, and which were for
the former to sail on the 14th inst.

Sir HENRY SULLIVAN, with Disratehes from Lord,
WELLINGTON, Cam(' in the packet ; tworcOments
of the British had stormed the out-posts of Ciudai
Rodrigo, with the loss of three officers and ten
privateS killed, and about twenty woinid, d ; the
enemy met With considerable loss, having only about
forty lett when the British had got possession.
Ciudad Rodrigo was expected to fall sh,Atly after.
A report had reached Lsbon, just as the packet
sailed, that the enemy had blown up the fortress.

A letter has been received from Capt. COLLYER,
of the Surveil/ante, dated at sea, J 17, tat. 48.
North, long. 71. and ano►her from Captain Sir
THOM s STAINES, dated at sea, on bra►rd the
Ha-
madryad, Jan. 18, lat. 49. North, long. 10. at
which time they were in s,atelt of the French squa•
droll of frigate; seen by the Dariirt,gton, and were
aware that it was c►uizing on the northern skirts of
the Bly of Bi..eoy. The Survi.illante's superiority of
sailing allowed her to observe the tbanc.tutres of the
enemy', squadron of two frigates and a man of war
brig fortv.o days.

The Memoirs of PRINCE POTEMKIN, the favourite
of CATHERINE the &coi!, are at length published,
and will be read with much pleasure—they exhibit
fiats of peculiar inttre:4, and compriw also highly
original and curioui anecdotes of Russian (-hut-tiers.
BREAD.—This day the LORD MAYOII and Alder-
men, after inspeaing the teituns, ordered it to WI
3d. per peck.—Loaf 'Cid.

BIRTHS.
In York-street, Portman-sqoare, the Lady of Edward C.
Bradford, Esq. of a Daughter.
• On the 24th inst. in Park-street, the Lady of ittrnes Corn-
Wallis' Esq. of a Son.
- On Friday last, at Orford, the scat of Hut Blackburn,
Esq. AI. P. the Lady of Edwin Coricert, Esq. of a llaugh. -
ter.
• On Sunday last, Mrs. Goddard, of Pall Mall, of twins.