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CHAMBER OP' DEPUTIES.
(Continuation of the Sitting of Dec. 3 )
ADJOURNED DEBATE ON THE ADDRESS.

M. Bechard then ascznded the tribune—l have only,
Gentlemen, one word to say. A letter of the President of
the Councl, dated the 27th of November last, has just

been published, and I have some explanations to dem-and
with regard to this letter. (M. Bcchard here read the
letter alluded to, which was published by an English
Journal), and continued)—The tendency of that letter is
disastrous to the country. I accept the program:nu of the
Ministry, as far as regards an armed peace, and the propo-
sition of coolness towards Europe, and pattieularly Eng-
land; but I protest against the tendency of that letter for
alliance with England, a tendency which appears to me
injurious to the dignity and interests of France.
Marshal Soult—The correspondatce which has just been

read was strictly confidential, and I am surpriz-ed at having
now to enter into expianations, on the terms of that letter,
whieb can.only have been made public through some act of
indiscretion, of which I know not the source. As to the

sentiments expressed in that letter, I take pride in having
uttered them Approbation.) I have contended against
the English on the field of battle: it was against them that
1 performed my best feats of arms ; yet, when I visited
England, the old warrior of the empire met with a triumphant
reception. I fast. in this a proof of sympathy for the glory
and feelings of France ; and I do not conceal from the
Chamber that I consider an alliance with England indis-

pensablo to the maintenance of peace in Europe. Far
'ram retracting the expressior.s in may letter, which has
been
.published without my concurrence, I repeat that I feel
proud of thorn. As to the policy of the present Ca' inet.
you need be under no uneasiness; confide in the word of
a man who has organised the army of France in 1830 ;
a man who at that epoch stood up against Europe ; and
believe me when. I say.that an- armament of 500,000 men
is sufficient for France ; have confidence in a good cit;zsn,
in a man of honour; be persuad.d that he will respond to
the wishes of France, that be will know how to fu!fil
worthily .01e mission which has been entdusted to Lila.
M.l.utyort-1 thank the lion; At:',ilelhitrd for his pro-
test against the tendencies cf the letter which he has just
read, and I am about to protest from this tribune against
the hatred and. the treason of England. Ido not come

ht.re to read to you fresh cl,spateh'e.s; there arc more than

these cl, spatchcs, Gcrillen;en, there are letters--
M. Guizot hero exhibited a gesture of impatience.
M. Jar.bert (addressing himself to the Minister for Fo-
reign Affairs)—lt is in vain for you to cross your hands,
sir.—(Cries cf " Oh, oh," and loud interruption.) There
are letters written by the most moderate men in the Eng-
lish Cabinet—ostensible letters which are couched in the

most d'sdainful and extravagant tone. Let others find in
these letters grounds for submission—for my part I see
grounds for the strongest indignation.—( Applause.)
General Bugeaud—What is the date of those letters?
M. Jaubert here protested strongly against the conduct
of England, which he described as a relentless enemy.
The-system which you have adopted, said be, iOnsufficient ;
your armaments of peace can deceive no one; they are
intended more for internal protection than external foes.—.
(Oh.) There were two things to be done; the first was to
raise the dignity of France, which had been humbled
since the ISAir of Ancona —(lnterruption.) The second
was to place above Ministerial power the true shield of
Royalty ; in both these objects you have radically failed.
(Sensation.) But I have a consolation at least in your
not having done %Nina you ought to have done.—lt is to
see your address thoroughly demolished. No one will
have anything more to do with it.—(Oh, oh.) You will
have nothing more to do with it yonrselves.—( Laughter.)
M. Viilemain ( Minister of Public Instruction)—l be-
lieve that there has been an error in the language which
has just been addressed to the Chamber. It is insinuated
that the men who are in power are obstacles to the wel-
fare of the country; doubts ate entertained of Marshal
Soult.

M. Jaubert resumed.—He said that from the day when
the Treaty of London was signed, he bad considered
France to be insulted, and absolved from all the ties of
alliance with England. He was then at the head of the
Ministry for Pithlie Works. He could not conceal from
himself that war was a terrible calamity, and particularly
for that department of the Government which was placed
under his direction, but he did not hesitate a moment in
adopting a resolution. He w...s for war, and would still
have been for war, if he bad been ceitain that it would
have produced the entire ruin of his fortune. •
M. Jacqueminot said he saw only part of the conduct of
the Foreign Pokers which he could seriously cor.deinn as
regarded France. It was their not having apprised the
French Ambassador of their intention when about to sign
of France. The French Government, however, knew well
thatthe Treaty
the Treaty
July
of and invited him to sign in the name
intended, and every proper concession
was made to it.---(lnterruption.) Such, he repeated, was
the fact ; it was a great misfortune fur France that to.)
much was always asked for. This was the fault of the
Cabinet of the Ist of March, and therefore it failed. It
had been said that France was to have .500,000 infantry
and cavalry. This was very trilliant, but this army must
have been employed. It w;...s pretend,d that time
was to be gained, and that the troops were to act in the
month of March, but what, in the meantime, would the
other Powers have .said? They would necessarily have
taken alarm, because they could not see an army raised
without stiptio sing it was raised for hostile purposes. The
very raising of additional forces, therefore, was tanta-
mount to a declaration of an intention to go to war. But
it appears that the 500,000 meta were not considered to
be sot-licit-mt. lie could have consented to this force,
notwithstanding; the consequences to which it was calcu-
lated to lead, if war and not peace was the desire of the
Government ; but when he saw that the Cabinet of the

Ist March demanded 900,000 men instead of 500,000, he
was justly alarmed, for then he saw clearly that, although
it was thought prudent still to profess a desire for
peace, war only was intended. For his own part he was
a friend to peace, but not a peace a tout prix. lie was
an advocate for a peace of honour and security.—(Cries
of " la cloture, la cloture.")

thatl d havetbcomplained
c o gn idu
veent
M. 'niers complained that the committee on the Ad-
ed
xr epsisan lal at
ido
sn owth
cehn tw
efrue ntl
r
esisleim'iaas h eu
in de
of the Cabinet of the Ist of March might have been
fully understood, the neglect of la iel ie
ochibnuera
gder lednd.n r.,.t0,
Eugene
raulogttmecehnuhaceaet
dlydr
imvi,bweiiersit
ehnoornuhsctalaeivtiapihddat
ei
baying attempted
for st to
instancef a facts t s t
hwa ht i ct
the
e had
mission c -
ce led
et uomtehnee e Ttoorf ebE,a,rtri yan ofFrance.
e about. J u y
ao.
d
dir o e
wouldt arrangementdeclare
that
France
eelni thead a
saee withhot
arrangement;l
sivu sh
England,
vi n g
which
ehwni
was
tsho
just
dnt gpalran n,Srd
That was untrue. The Cabinet of the Ist of March had
t
mud:
boll
jtutruaemi
snd:
ahaonatnferdt:ol
ituaehpnrnerddoosPnwhflaenooc
rtl adeaaei
accord
an es
tauonenreor
an insurrection in Syria, could deny the French Govern-
ment the right of attempting to bring about a pacific ar-
rangement. We have been reproached, added M. Tillers,
with having recalled the fleet. I cannot understand this re-
poach. Could the Cabinet have left the fleet continually ex-
posed to the risk of a conflict, which must have brought
about a general war, and that, too, when the country
was not
riipot 'is momentreparedt it?yobrur arm
I can say
arc
of n
this now, Gentlemen
for impesing
na.
tore. In the month of October things would have been
different ; we were in a better situation—hut I shall not
violate the reserve which is incumbent upon me by entering
into a review of the causes which prevented ns from giving to
the fleet the distinction which some persons say it ought
to have had. It hss also been said of us that we carried our
armaments to a point which was calculated to excite alarm
in Europe, and to lead to a general war. Allow me to
observe, Gentlemen, that with 480,000 men it was impossi-
ble to assume an attitude calculated to bring about the con-
cessions which we desired. We must not delude ourselves
as to the disposition of the other Powers. It is observed
tintp:ti able wr nitt
ha mneen of 9
gt
oti
atiooo,oo men
n50.1,.0
my wasow
nal altogether he ico
I ilnisaray:
that I do not know what could have been done with a force
of only 480,0Q0. The larger armament was certainly a
ground fur war, but it was also a strong motive for conces-
sion. There could have been no misapprehension on the part
of the other Powers with such a demonstration before them.
They must have felt that we were serious, and that if they
did not make concessions they had to expect war. Bu.
would: on armament of 480,000 men have been of a cha-
racter to command respect and extort concession ? Such
an armament could only have enabled us to maintain an in-
secure and costly peace.—( Applause from the Left and
Left Centre.)
M. Teste (the ,Minister of Public Works)—l cannot
allow the genciardigifasion to close without making a few
observations. Upon
.the great question az to whether the
Treaty of the 15th July was or was not
.an insult, I have
only to repeat what has been already said—namely, that
it was not a delicate proceeding. The President of the
Cabinet of the Ist of March seems to have enter-
tained the same • opinion ; but if it was regarded
by that Cabinet as a flagrant insult, and such
it would appear froin the language of one of its mem-
bers was the opinion, I only ask, bow, with any degree
of consistency, with any regard for the honour of France,
that Cabinet could abstain from crying to arms. Really,
Gentlemen, if the Cabinet of the Ist March did feel that
the Treaty of the 15th July was an insult to France, its
conduct is incomprehensible. The only excuse that is now
set up for not having acted with energy under this im-
pression, that France was insulted, is, that the Government
was not ready. There were in the Mediterranean seven-
teen msn of war—
M. Thiers—Thirteen.
Teste---S.:venteen against fifteen, and you did no-
thing. Really, with your ideas as to what ought to have
been done you committed a fault, the weight of which must
press you down. You say that you were not ready, but that
you were arming ; you first put the army on the full peace
footing, and then you were anxious to extend it to 900 000
men. Now, was this a motive for not avenging insult at
once, if insult had been received ? Could you suppose
that whilst you were making these extraordinary
armaments the other Powers would have remahied
inactive? Would they not have armed as well as
yourselves, arid in the same proportion? Would you
not, therefore, have been in the spring in just the
same position as regarded comparative strength as that
posed insult at once it—( Applause.) But, putting aside
hich
the question of immediate war, was there nothing else that
wy
3:ulll,lhav woulde doneh3Ye held if yen had avenged this sup-
poses
f you had received this pretended
insult? Ought you not to have recalled your Ambassador
from London, instead of leavinghim there among the
representatives of those Power; who had inflicted this great
outrage? you, however, did no such thing—you left
0 your Ambassador there, and sent the note of the Bth of

October, in which you accepted this Treats, whieh is now
regarded as an insult.
M. Thiers—That is not correct,

M. Teste-1 repeat, that in my opinion the 'note of the
Bth October accepted. the Treaty.
M. Thieie—No, Sir; I wrote to the contrary.
M. Teste-1 know that you had two lines •of policy
—your written policy and your reserved policy.
M. niers here made some observations which did not
reach us. - Ile was loudly called to order.
M. Teste-1 will now, for the honour of the country,
say what I believe to be the truth. There as no noels-
tion to insult France ; and as regards her present isolation
I see nothing in it which should create anxiety or alarm. 1
will even go further, and say that she may find seine ad-
vantages in that isolation which could not be found in al-
liance. There was no insult in the Treaty of the 15th
July, and the best proof of this is the conduct of the Cabi.
net of the Ist March. In the ordinary affairs of life, when
a man receives an insult, or considers himself insulted, he
aces boldly up to his adversary arid demands satisfaction.
Now the Cabinet of the Ist Much did nothing of this
kind, and it is therefore but fair to suppose that it abstained
from demanding satisfaction for insult, because it knew no
insult had been intended or received. I will make but one
other observation. I wish to ask who has a right to
charge the Cabinet of the 29th October with the intention
of allowing the flag cf France to be dragged in the dirt ?
Can any man find in the speech from the Throne a ground
for such an imputation ? It is there said that we desire
peace; but what peace, Gentlemen? An honourable
peace, and this is a sentiment of which no man need be
ashamed. But in saying that we desire peace, we do not
say that we would submit to insult. No ; if in the execu-
tion of the Treaty of the 15th July any insult shall be put
upon France, we will net wait for the spring of action, but
will immediately exclaim, " To arms !"—( Applause. )
M. Vivien—The Hon. Member who has just left the
tribune has demanded that no attack should be made on
a Cabinet which repreeents France. It- is to defend a
Ca&inct which bar also represinted France that I bag the
Chamber to give me a moment's attention. It has been
said diet we displayed no boldness until after we bad gone
out of office. To that accusation I have only one word of
reply to make. If we had evinced no boldness before we
went out of office, we should be in power at this moment.
Loud approbation from the Left and Left Centre.)
We have been reproached with having regarded the Treaty
of the 15th July as an insult, and with not having imme-
diately raised the cry of "To arms." I the first place,
I reply that we never said the Treaty was an insult to
France; what we said, and what we at this moment re-
peat, was that the Treaty was a culpable abandonment of
the alliance with Franca. Such was our idea of it, and
we acted on that idea. We said we must tom and nego-
tiate. Hence arose the note of the Bth October and the
armaments. As to the reproach of our having recalled
the fleet to :Toulon, I shall add nothing to the explariations
which have been already given on this head. I shall
merely say to our honourable opponents, that if it was a
fault to bring back the fleet to Toulon, it did not follow
that it was to remain therc.—(Laughter from the Left.)
The present Minister for Foreign Affairs has positively
said that the note of the Bth October contained a ground
far war. I will ask him what measures he intends to take
to ensure the satisfaction demanded in that note ?

M. Guizot—The con litions which are pointed out in
that note will be granted to the Pacha.
M. Vivien—To that I will reply, that the Pacha may
refuse what you propose to him ; besides, our note grants
to the Pacha the Pachalic of Stint Jean d'Aere as well as
Enpt ; and now you only give him Egypt. What will
be done if the Pacha shall refuse this, and Alexandria be
bombarded ? What will be done, Gentlemen ? I will tell
you. Tice cry will be " These are realised events" ( hits
accomplis), and we can do nothing. France cannot sa-
crifice the blood of ten generations in order to restore to
the Pacha a few leagues of territory. Oac word more, and
I have done. My Honourable Friend, M. Jaubert, has
said, that the fleet had been recalled to Tuition to protect
the Balearic Islands. Yes, Gentlemen, that was the
object. It was foreseen that in ease of a hostile collision
another Power would endeavour to gain possession of them,
and the fleet was destined for their protection.—(Appro-
bation from the Left and Left-Centre.)
Admiral Duperre, Minister of the Marine--It was not
my wish to interfere in this important debate!, but as so
many members have spoken about the fleet, I think I shall
be allowed to say a few words.—( Approbation,) It has
been asked, what does the fleet do at Toulon ?
the present Cabinet did not send the fleet to
Toulon ; but it has been long at sea, and stood in need of
repairs and provisions. When these wants shall have been
provided for, rely on it, the Cabinet will make a proper
use of the fleet.

It was now put to the vote whether the general diseu3.
sion on the Address should cease, and the question Was
unanimously &Tided in the affirmative.

It being now six o'clock, the Chamber adjourned till
to-morrow, when the diicussioa 04 the paragraphs will corn-

lIIEIICC.

SITTING OF DEC. 4.

The Chair was taken by the President at two o'clock.
The Order of the Day was the discussion on the para•
graphs of the Address.
Paragraph I was then read
. . . . .

" We thank .our Majesty for having convoked
tho Chambers before the uittal reriod of their assembling,
It is particularly -in great conjunctures, in those in which
the honour and safety of nations are interested, that it Le-
comes a Constitutional King to surround himself with the
representatives of the country, to expose to them the state
of affairs, to take cJunsel from them, and to call for their
co-operation."
This paragraph was put to the vote and carried, but
with the suppression of the words—" to take counsel
from them."

M. Piscatory had announced his intention of proposing
this suppression by way of amendment; but the Commit-
tee on the Address, having signified its readiness to accede
to his suggestion, no discussion of interest arose upon it.
Tho following modification upon paragraphs 2 and 3
having been made by the Committee, it was next read :
" Sire,—France ha 3 been deeply affected by the events
which have just taken place in the East. Your Majesty
was necessaray compelled to arm ; these armaments will be
maintained ; extraordinary credits have been opened to
meet them. We shall appreciate the employment of them.
France in a state of armed Peace, and full of the conviction
of her strength, will watch over the maintetiance of the
balance of power in Europe, and will not suffer it to be
attacked. She owes this to the rank which she holds
among nations, and the peace of the world is not less in-
terested in it than her own dignity. If the defence of her
rights or her influence should require it, speak, Sire, France
would rise at your voice, and the whole country would not
hesitate at any sacrifice. You may rely upon the national
co-operation."
M. Dupin, as the reporter of the Committee, made a
few observations in support of the revised work of the
Committee.

M. Guizot took this occasion to observe that the policy of
the Government was clearly explained in the modifications
of:the Address which had just been read. This policy was
the maintenance of an armed peace, with the present ar-
manents, as opposed to the policy which demanded the ex-
tension of the armaments to 900,000 men. The intention
of the Cabinet was, ite said, to maintain peace with the
present force ; this was implied by what had just been read,
and therefore the Cabinet gave its entire adhesion. M.
Guizot then returned to his seat, from which he stated that
lie could not take any part in the vote, as his college was
to meet today (we presume for his re-election).
M. Piscatory proposed the following amendment to the
paragraphs 2 and 3 of the Address:--
" The Treaty which the Emperor of Austria, the Queen
of Great Britain, the King of Prussia, and the Emperor of
Russia concluded on the 15th of July with the Ottoman
Porte, and the measures which have been taken to secure
the due execution of that Treaty, have excited your solici-
tude. France, which could not take part in this Treaty,
has felt deeply respecting it. Faithful to that. equitable and
foreseeing policy which appreciates all rights. she sees with
uneasiness the solution of a question in which the repose
of the world is concerned, abandoned to the solution of
force. But since a policy contrary to hers bas prevailed
in the councils of Europe, France should accept with
firmness the conditions of a new situation. She cannot
allow that the rights which she has proclaimed should
he set aside, and she will never renounce the just share of
influence which she ought to hold in the settlement of
European affairs.
" The Chambsr epproves of the armaments which
were begun by your Government, and if it becomes ne-
cessary will provide you with the means of completing
them. Whatever sacrifices your Majesty may demand of
the country for the msietenance of its dignity and its
power, France is ready to make, and the Chamber, in re-
sponding to the call of the King, will be the faithful organ
of the willits of the nation,"
M. De Lamartine observed that no change had taken
place in the views of the Committee on the Address. It
had merely made an alteration in the terms of the Address,
without intending to alter its sense. The late Go-
vernment was desirous of an armament of 900,000 men ;
the present Cabinet proposed that the standing army
should consist of on.y 500,000. There was a great dif-
ference in the policy of the two Cabinets. The Committee
approved of the policy of the French Cabinet as to the
extent of the armament. and wished that this might be
clearly understood.
M. Berryer—l do not think that the question has been
fairly stated. Nobody has said that France should have in
the present state of things a force of 900,000 men, and
thus open again the question of war.—(Exclamations of
" Yes, it has been said.") This, indeed, has been said in
the speeches of the ex- Ministers, but no other Member of
the Chamber had demanded an immediate declaration of
i:
" No, no.")
war, and an armament of 900,000 men.
—Ci Yes
What has been asked for was,
that the yead;
dress should be couched in language more firm and digni-
fied, more eonsistent with the honour and interests of the
country.
M. Villemain (Minister of Public; Instruction), The
Hon. M. Bsrry er demanded another address, anclcetainly
A laugh.) He now adopts
another Minister.—(
the lan-
guage of the Commieee, and borrows from
of the Council the words "armed peace," the President
' which we -
proclaimed. This was the feeling of the
Committee, and
it has merely changed the fora ofaddress, in order that
its weaning might be more clearly understood by its op-
ponents—( Applause from the Ministerial benches.) ,There.
is a party in France which says that . an armment or
500,000 men would only enable
able ard expensieo eeseo 7, therell tP 11/al/Tina dishonour-
able
wi;l call the party of invincibeFisaanoth 'I. party livttn
to
what may he called the party of conquuect%einFroaljnpco:,
This
party desires that Prance ay be strong,' and respected,
but pacific, and tiiinki that an Armament of 500,000 wen

MORNING l4] DI TI ON
.
will accomplish the obj set at tvWch it aims. This is the
party to which we belong.
M. Wilton Barrot said there was a great difference is
the language of the address as now modified from that of
the original, and he approved of the ch loge that had been
made. He then proposed the following- anactidrn,nt :
" Sire, France is deeply affected by the events which
have taken place in the East. The armed inurvention of
the Four Powers who signed the'treaty of July lb menaces
more than it protects the independence of the Ottoman
Empire ; it seriously compromises the equilibrium of power
in Europe, and the peace of the world. The Government
of your Majesty could not become a party to it—it: was
compelled to arm, and these armaments shall be maintained,
and shall receive all the developments which the defence of
rights which we have recognised, and the protection of our
interests in the East, may demand."
M. Placatory—l unite my amendment to that of M. 0.
Barrot.
M. Guizot—The amendment which has just been read de-
nies the right-of intervention by the Fcur Great Powers. This
denial is opposed to the policy of every Cabi act. The inter-
vention has been recogaised,and if the-re were onlyfonvPowers
engaged in it, instead of five, it was because France did not
consider that the intervention should b.: carried on in the

same way as the other Powers thought it ought to be;
but the right of intervention has never been denitd, and
the proof of this is, that France has never protested
against it. That portion cf the amendment which speaks
of armaments in defence cf rights which we have recog•
nised, is an engagement to give assistance to Mehemet
Ali. Gentlemen, you will do well to remark, that oar
policy has always been based upon the condition that Me.
•hemet Ali should resist. 11:s that condition been fur-
filled ? No; and we cannot constitute ourselves the de-

fenders of a cause which lia3 ben; abandoned by its repre-
sentative.

M. Thicrs—Now, Gentlemen, the policy of the Govern-
ment is perfectly clear. When I said, at the commence-
ment of this discussion, that the question was resolved,
was I wrong ? Ministers themselves now confirm my
words. You now say—( Here M. Thi:.rs addri seed him-
self to M. Guizr4)—that you ill Lot a,.sist the Pacha,
whstcver may be done t. him—(Agitation)—now that ha
has lost Syria. Explain yourselves clearly. Will you, or
will you not, insist upon his reLining Ezypt ? If you do,
you will support the amendment of M. Odillon I3arrot.
Will you, or will you not, stand upon a groUnd from which
you cannot retreat ?—( Agitation.)
M. Pasny—M. niers has said that we should &data
our determination to see Ef4)pt preserved to the Viceroy.
I think such a declaration would be imprudent, and might
icA to his ruin. Toe Pow.tts have declared that they
will not follow up the deposition; Lut it you anti and me..
nace, you will drive them beyond the liwits-of own
moderation.—( Exclamations from the Left.) The Ca.
biatt of the Ist March talks:. of arming 900,000 meas and
acting in M f.rch, If this armament had gene on there
would not, in the next spring, have been either Pasha or
l'achrdie to fight for. What the Chamber should do is to
maintain the language of the ttddri,ss, which says, that
France will act only in the event c.f the balance of power
in Europe being menacci.—( Exclamations from the Left.)
M. de It-musat—l now ask whether the Chamber has
not declared that the deposition o: tee Pasha would be an
infringement on the equilibrium of Furcpc ? Yes, or bo—
lus the Chamber sai f so ?—( sensation and itrerruption.)
If France has made this declaration, she may well declare
that she will oppose the depot ition of the Pacha of Egypt.
If the Citarober, if the Ministry, wilt net consent to that
declaration, I now say that the note of the Bth of October

is a mazimurn, whicl; the present Admiaittration Cannot
reach.—( Applause from the Left.)
M. Guizot—The question of fact is at an end; what
was demanded in the note of the Bth October Las been

done ; you demanded in that note that Egypt &aold be.
secured to the Pacha. Well, at the present hour, the
Four Powers afar to the Pacha the hereditary Pachalic of
Eg)pt, and I repeat, mainly in consileration of France.—
(Murmurs.) Now, what do you ask for? That that
should be obtained by influence..—(Applause from the
Ministe,hl benches.) There is no longer 1 question of
securing Egypt to the Pscha. It is oli.rcd to him by the
Four Powers.
A voice here cxelairn.tcl—" On what conditions?"'

M. Guizot (addressing himself to tit Opposition)
G,mitionen, you gave yourselves the puerile satisfaction of
laying do vn a ground for war. A prudent Goverumeht, a
prudent Chamber, do not lay grounds for war in writing,
they act on them when they occur.—( Loud approbation.)
It isin actions, riot on paper, that courage and resolution
should be shown. We do not look upon it as a very wise
po'icy to write down grounds for war; but be assured, we
uiii accept them when they shall ho presented to us.—
( Very good.) And we think that it would be imprudent
is the Chamber to make engagements, or to do that which
the Government itself would not do.—( Loud approbation
from the Centre.)
Odillon Barrot-...What I have just heard confirms me
in the idea of my amendment; and first, I owe to the
Ch2mber some explanation on that part of my amendment
relative to the principle of intervention. I did not mean to
interdict every kind of intervention ; what I attacked in the
interv,ntion sf the Treaty of July 15 is, that it was made by
the Four Powers, for the purpose of exercising a protector-
ship which is the prelude to domination. it is not correct
to say that the Government has recognised, and approved of,
an armed intervention in the East ; and I maintain that the
Treaty which grounds itself on the collecire note of the
27th July is a contradiction to that note, %Illicit said that in-
tervention by five Powers was good, but that intervention by
four was the destruction of that note. Tin.t is what I had
to say on the principle of tho treaty. But what besides does
the Treaty say ? The Pacha shall be dispossessed of his
power if he does not make his snbmissitn ; and y u say that
a formal declaration must not be made, because that would
prevent the Powers from carrying out their proposition of
g hint the Nelialie of Egypt hereditarily. You say in
the note of the 6th October, that you havo recognised that
Egypt should he preserved to the ['actin, and now you will
not allow the Chamber to show itself as firm as the notes
of the Government. la this way the Chamber would be
imprudent, would pledge itself, and would give the con-
tradiction to its own principles.--( Sensation. ) For my
.pzrt, Gentlemen, I have not proposed my amendment with
a view to a na,:jority. I have presented it under the
im-
pression that the Chamber ought to be consistent with it-
self, that the language of the CI-mother should be as firm
as that used in the notc.s of the Government.—(Cries of
La cloture, la cloture.")
M. L'Herbette said he wished to ask the Minister for
Foreign Atfors if the Powers granted the hereditary Go-
vernment of Egypt to Mehemet Ali only on condition of
11;s fulfilling the articles of the Treaty, which he would
read to the Chamber. (The Hon. At:tuber was here in-
terrupted, and was compelled to desist.)
The President then put to the Chamber the question as
to whether the discussion should close ou the point under
consideratim

This was carried in the affirmative.
The amendment of M. Odilion Barra was then put to
the vote and rejected.

The amendment of M. Piscatory, having been joined
with that of M. Odillon Barrot, was net put to the vote.
Several otkur amendments were withdrawn.
M. L'Herbette—According to the Act annexed to the
Treafy of July 15th, the Pacha of Egypt is to have no
power in Egypt. I wish to know whetl:,-; the Mnaistry
intends to accept the articles of this Act ?
A Deputy exclaimed, '• The Pacha of Egypt is the
vassal of the Sultan."

No answer was given to M. L'Llerbette.
M. Glais Bizoin demanded the suppression cif the wads
" armed peace" in the Address, but his amendment was
not seconded.

The amended paragraphs 2 and 3, now become para-
graph 2 of the Committee, were then put to the vote,
and adopted by a large majority.
Paragraph 3—" We have with all sincerity desired this
pacification of Spzin. Interested in the: consolidation of
its constitutional government, we should with deep regret
s'e'e a work so courageously undertaken in the name of
liberty compromised by anarchy.
'M. Piscatory moved the following amendment :—" We
have desired with all sincerity, and urged by the most
earnest co-operation, the pacification of Spain. Interested
in the consolidation of its constitutional Government, we
arc bound to persevere in all measures which stay prevent
the teturn of civil war."
M. Isambett wishci to know the intentions the Go-

vernment tcwards Spain.
M. Guizot said that in the affairs of Spain the Govern-
ment had always limited its actions to counsels of mod,..ration.
M. Wirrott opposed, cud NI. Dupin suppsrted, the para-
graph of the Committee.
M. Pa'etiti% proposed the following amendment
We have with all sincerity desired the paciacation of
Spain. Interested iu the consolidation of its constitu-
tional Government, we hope it will accomplish a work so
courageously taken in the name of iinert:v."
NI. Widen BAriot said he adopted this amendment.
M. Guizot—l regret it, on the -ground that we have
never professed to do more than give coum.els of modera-
tion. The amendment now proposed contains en assurance
of support to the present Regency in Spain, as well as to
the Government which'preceded it.
Ti:e amendment of M. P.:scalia was pat to the vote, M.
Piscatory having previously declared that he joined his
amendment to that of M. Pascalis. The first division was
doubtful ; on the second, the amendment was carried by is
very small majority._

positively stipulated
- Paragraph 4.-1. France again rewinds Europe of the
for by
posed. the suppression of this para-
graph, of Polish nationality, so • '
treatits."
M. Piscatory pro
put to
graph, observing, that he held
paragraph was
was
thefeeTlihnge il fruitless expressions of
Paragraph 5._..« Our vote and adopted.
assent
which your Majesty has is acquired to the orders
the coast of Buenos given that the new forces sent to
the Government of Yres may at length obtain from
grievances." that country reparation for our just
M. do Tracy Awi h
s e- to know what was meant by the
Passage in speech
forces.
_from the throne :bete sending new
fee did riot think that ie the present circum-
stances, and when
..,,, . war in Europe was net. wt oily iIV pos-
' mute, the best sailors of France and lice ships should be
sent into distant seas. The Frctich (he said) had not
&hips enough in the Mediterranean, and could not spare a
force f
.or distant operations.
Admiral Duperre, Minister of the Marine—ln the
speech from the throne it is not said that the new Ca-
binet has engaged to send fresh forces to La Plata. Fresh
forces have bean scut to that point, but they were sent by
the former Cabinet. If the result desired is not attained
by the measures which have already been taken the Go.
vernment will adopt others.
M. Atago—l wish to remark en an sapcession which
y- terday fell from the Minister of the.filllnne. In quite.
Lt L
irg of the rec
.1 of the fleet to Tou on, he said that he
bad not advisee the sending out of that squadron, lent a
confirmed in
e
might come into collision with the English fleet, au 3 a
'
conflict fetal to it should take place. G:litlemen. I r,-„
fess that it ues with the most profound grief I Beard- --
an exprcsiien fall from the lips of
the such
lof the Nlarina. I believe, and 1 Lit Minister.
the op.nion by several of our most gallant d
the conflict had taken ?lam it would have mirals, that if
to us and to car brave sailors. been favourable
M. Duperre.--eiy idea must have been misunderstood
or badly expressed. In, speakinba.
Yesterday I gave an.

MORNiNG EDITION

opinion, net in my official capacity, but a; a private indi-
vidual; besides, the opinion that our fleet should not be
sent to Alexandria did not emanate from me ; I only con-
curred in it when my opinion was asked. I thick I
th-,t to place our squadron to be an idle spectator of events
uhich were to take place, would be giving it a miserable
part to perform.
The paragraph of the Committee was adopted.
The following paragraphs were then adopted without
discussion :

" Our armies in Africa have again gained fame by bril-
liant feats of arms. Your sons, tvho allow no opportunity
of displaying their courage to escape, have shared the
glory and the perils of their expeditions. What we re-
quire of your Government is, that it shall seriously inquire
into the general conduct of affairs in that country, in
order that the triumphs of our arms may not be sterile, and
that a possession so gloriously conquered, and so dearly
purchased, may become for France a principle of strength
and not a cause of debility.
" The attempt of Boulogne was not only insensate,
it was criminal—( Some murmurs in a portion of the
o..amber.) Put down at its commencement by the de-
votedness of the citizens, it has since been condemned by
solemn verdict. Justice has had its free course; the
offence committed against society has not remained without
.reparation, and the hopes of the factions have been on all
sides strikingly disappointed.
" We will examine with care the law of the budget.
It is becau.e States are exposed to unexpected charges
that a rigid economy is always necessary. At another
tine the Chamber, in the impossibility of diminishing the
taxa.ion which presses upon the country, would at least
have recommended that the equilibrium should b: kept up
between the revenue and the expenditure. As this equi-
lbriurn is broken, we will turn our attent:on to the means
of re-establishing and preserving it."
Paraolaph 9 was then read :
_

" The other laws which shall be presented to us will
be the object of careful attention on our part. For the
present we feel pleasure in having been able to respond,
by a unanimous vote, to the demand made upon us by your
Majesty for aid to the departments which have suffered by
the inundations."

M. Larabit here asked the Ministers, whether amongst
the new laws there would be a special law for the fortifica-
tions of Paris?

' Marshal Soul:—The extraordinary credits will comprise
not merely the ensemble of the fortifications of the king-
dom, but also the fortifications of Paris, and then the dis-
cussioa can take place on that subject.
Aftcr a few words, paragraph 9 was put to the vote and
adopted.
It being six c'clock, the Chamber adjourned till to-mor.
raw.

SITTING OF DEC. 5.

The order of the day was the discussion of the two last
paragraphs of the address. These paragraphs having been
charged by the Committee, a copy was delivered to the
m embers. •

The tenth paragraph was then read, as follows !
" Harmony between the Great Powers, we know, is the
surest go .rantee of peace. Order maintained at home by
the rnerg,lic and persevering action of the Government
is lit; rnala principle of strength abroad. We express the
IN ill of France by saying that she is strongly desirous of
both."

M. Piscatory presented an amendment which he was
desirous of vuornitting in the room of the tenth and last
paragiaphs of the Committee.
M. Dupln rose to remark that M. Piscatory wished not
to modify the addre3s. but to destroy it altogether, by
puttirg one entirely d.fferent in its stead.
• M. Piscatory b,gged M. Dupi❑ to explain the mean-
ing of the last paragraph —" Sire, take heed that your
throne be ever surrounded by enlightened and fa,.thful
eoulisell..rs."

M. Dapiu —lf the Committee had thought it their duty
to have brought coy charge against the Ministers of the Ist
March, the cha-ge would have been made openly. Last
rar the principle of parliamentary government was pro-
claimed : now far the last seven months never had that
'principle been less observed, never had the inviolability of
the throne been so frequently attacked. The Committee
was desirous of strengthening this principle, the principle
of the inviolability of the throne, opposed to an ill-ob •
served principle which has been brought forward—the
committee was desirous of restoring to it all its power
and cial-_.ncy.—(Marks of approbation.)
Dcsmou,,seaux de Givre—(Loucl cries of" Enough,
enou:411") —Tile insinuations thrown out against the late
Administrati:;n are intolerable.
41. Thiers appeared much excited, and wished to address
tbc Chamber.
l'i,e President then r, quested M. Desmousseaux to de-
scend. That gentleman refused. On this the President
coven d big head and left his seat, and the sitting was sus-
yrier.ded.
General 7ngeaul ascended the tribune, and begged M.
Desinousseatot to leave it. _ _

M. Thiers alto addressed that gentleman rather warmly.
Several Depulies here interposed. Great commotion
prevailed. All the Deputies left their seats, and a great
ni,ny, i:r.agihing the debate over for the day, went
>mc. However, alter an hour's suspeniion, the debate
recommenced.

Tnicrs then ascended the tribune, and requested M.
DrInt:,!CRISS?aUX to explAin himself, regarding what he had
hinted leFpccting the Ministry of March 1.
• M. 13.?.sniousseaux c-iled on M. de Remusat to explain
,certain acts of his Administration, and divers operations at
he. Bours, which belonged to his departmout as Minister
of the Intericr ?
M. Thiers then rose to reply.