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London, England, 1815-04-22 00:00:00

TREATY OF VIENNA.

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Mr. WITITER RAI? proceeded to observe, that
feeling as he did from a consideration of all the cir-
cumstances, from a consideration of the alleged
parties:, from a consideration of the supposed con-
ditions, that• the paper which had that day been
pfiblished in a partial manner, purporting to be
a Treaty between the Allied Powers, signed at
Vienna on the 25th March, could be no other
than a forgery, he nevertheless conk! not refrain
front asking the Noble Lord the question. If it
should turn out not to he so, this tnostextroordi-
nary fact would appear—that it was actually signed'
at the time When the Noble Lord deelaNd in' that
House that tine quletion of peace or war was
wholly undecided !

Lord CASTLERF.AGI-1 said, be certainly felt it his
duty to avoid, if possible, entering into aul'argti-
ment on s,lhieriS which could Mit with propriety
.he yet brought before the House. • But with - re-
sih.ct to the question of the Hon. Gentleman, if
he conceived that it was his duty to offer an ad-
vice to the Crown on the subject to which it re
kited, and intended to bring that subject before
the House in a regular way, he (Lord Castle-
reagh) should consider that circum3tattee as a
justification for his giving au answer to the ques-
tion.

Mr. WHITBREAD.--Then the inference, from
what has Lunen just now from the Noble Lord,

that the Treaty which -has appeared in one of the
Papers of this day is a genuiue Treaty ?
Lord CASTLERZAGH.—Does the Hon. Gentle-
man-Mean to say, that it i his inteutioa i.. .11
the attention of the House to it ? I have no
-hesitation in admitting that. a Treaty was signed
at Vienna oo the 25th of March, and that the
Newspaper alluded to by the Hot. Gentleman,
with some inaccuracies, contailis the substance or
that Treaty. The Treaty however is not yet rati-
.fied by all of the allied Powet 5, and therefore not.
in a state to be submitted' to Parliament. But it
the Hon. Geittleinau thinks proper to cad-the at-
tention of
,Parliament -to it ill a regular way, I
shall certainly consider it my duty to be prepared
to meet him in any discussion on the subject.
Mr. WHITBREAD.—The Noble Lord has said,
that the Treaty is not yet ratified by all the Allied
Powers ; but we find now that the substance of
it is-:h die. The Noble Lord has told us that there
are inaccuracies; but then he has not told us
what the nature of these inaccuracies are ; whe-
ther they are all inaccuracies of language. 1 pause
till I see what these inaccuracies are ; because. I
cannot conceive how any _person, if the Treaty
whi-ch we have seen is accurate in substance, could
possibly put his hand to it. I would ask those
who expect that we should abstain from all argil.
ment on the present occasion to read the Treaty.
Lord CAWLEREAGI4.-1 think that 1 have she Alt
a sufficient disposition to candour in my conduct
towards the Honourable Gentleman this evening,
however much he may be indisposed to give my
self or those who act with me, credit for candour
on any occasion. I have told the Honourable
. Gentleman that if he can chew that any practical
purpose can possibly be answered by it, I shall
he prepared to answer his question. But when I
have given him this answer, upon what principle
does he conceive himself entitled, contrary to, all
the rides of Parliament, to enter into a premature
discussion.--(Hear, hear !)—or to endeavour to
throw out calumnies, not supported by argument,
against any proceedings of which he disapproves ?
(Hear, hear, hear !)—I c. Inanity consider such
a mode of procceding.a violation of the order of
the louse.
Mr. Wit ITERRAD.—The Noble Lord has thought
properoo call me to order, in a-speech- which is
itself extremely disorderly. I contend, that 1 have
a.. perfect right to deliver toy sentiments on this
subject,. on the cptestion of the adjournment of
the House., .1 have a right tp
.express tny appro-
hation of the Treaty, on the'avowal of it by the
Noble Lord, and to oppose the atijoneament of
the House, if 1 think .proper. The Noble Lord
has accused me••of making use of the language
,of calumny. It is impossible to speak of the-pro-
ceeclings of the Congress in terms of calumny ( Hear,
hear 1). 1 might, if I
.thought proper, -move, that
the House should sit to-mortOw. But as the Noble
Lord, has avowed the Treaty, I ant rather disposed
to put thequestioa, That the supplies be withheld,
which by our former votes we expressed'our resolu-
tion to confide to the Crown; 1 Wish farther to ask
the Noble Card, whether the Treaty hils*not been
ratified by England, if it not been ratified by
all the other Allied Powers -Because the Duke of
Wellington, it the Ireaty hots not been ratified by.
England, must have acted on his own authority.
We ought to know the instructions which have
been given to the Duke of Wellington--or whe-
ther he has acted without any instruction at all.
The Noble Lord has acknowledged, that the
Treatywhich.we have seen is substantially cor-
rect, and he has also owned that it coutained in-
accuracies. What sort of inaccuracies ale they ?
Are they inaccuracies of language ? [" Substtn-
tial,inaccuracies," said Lord Castlereagh, across
the table.]—No-; it seems they were inaccuracies.
of another.kind. Will the Noble Lord give us the
Treaty,, or tell us whether it has been ratified by
Great Britain ? Will he put trie and the House its
a Condition of kitt:wing how much we are to ex-
cept froth, or add to, this Treaty, which we have
seen in an article from Vienna in one of the pa-
pers ?-1, couceive, Sir, that toy conduct has not
appeared to you- as disorderly, from your not in-
terrupting rue. I conceive that I have a right to
move, That the House should not .adjmun even.
till Monday next, till the House should come to a
knowledge of this document.

Lord CASTtEHEAGH.:—The Honourable Gen-
tleman may bring forward his emotion as early as
thinks it his duty so to do. I have no right to
complain of hint for this ; but what I complain of
is an attempt to enter into that sort of un-
supported observation which cannot be said to be
a fair examination of the subject, and which cart
lead to no practical good. •'The Hon. Gentleman
has asked me whether the 'Treaty has• been rati-
fied on the part of Great Britain I have no he-
sitation in returning for answer to the Hon. Gen-
tleman, that his Royal Hiemess the Prince Re-
gent, with an explauation of our of the articleS,
has rat fled this Treaty %-vith, the Aliied Powers. ,
Mr. WHITBREAD.-.1 wiSl4, Si', to put this
question in a shape that the House may take it
into consideration without delay; because, by
adopting a different al conduct, we may find
when we wish to express our disapprobation that
it is too late, vilien‘‘e are already involved in an
unfortunate and calamitous war. Does the Noble
Lord intend to involve the country in. a war first,,
and then ask the House to seta ngthen the hands
of Government ? Our situation Will be very dif-
ferent between one alternatiVe and anothtr. I
am sure the House will not consent to Vote 'any
supplies on the principle. of this Treaty, but I
am not sure, when we are once engaged in war,
even under this foolish Treaty, that we shall not.
be disposed to grant them.
Lord :ikitCHIBALD HAMILTON' asked, whether
anvrtiscussion'now could be productive
,of greater
harin'than what had been done by the appearance
of such documents as the public had lately seen
• What Would be the use of the information pro.-
v‘tv'isfastiflcelill
mised by the Noble Lord, when. the country waf.4
already involved in war ? No discussion could
so injurious to the Noble Lord as the belief en-
tertained by the public, that hsisuic.eo,nfi.tecnti
as it appeared to have been from these docume•rits,
which had created 4 disagreeable imyrcssiott,
against him throughout the whole coutAry.
Mr. PoNsonsv.—l am not
from the Noble Lord, if thissubjfeoTriti.slsoa:un
silenttbe
brought forward in such stop., As will afford us
an opportunity
upon the present occasion, is from the cirenm.
of- discussion .)

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statice of the subject not yet being before us in.
inch a shape that We can take Parliamentary n -
tice of it. Is it the intention of the Noble
Lord-to bring file Treaty soon before us In . a
shape that we can take Parliamentary notice
of it ? If such is not his intention, I must
proceed to some other course. I do not choose
to trust myself at this moment with the expres-
sion of the sentiments which arose in my Mind
svhen I read this instrument. 1 certainly did not
think it was genuine. But if the Noble Lord will
not bring the
ibusines.sbefore us in a shape that
\vitt enable List() discusS it in a Parliameutaey way,
we mnst proceed to its discussion out of tire Par-
liantentary`'Way. There is not a man in the House
who has read that paper„,who will not say that
the House st-Commons will abandon its duty, if
it des not take the earliest opportenity of offering,
its advice to the Crown on this sebjeet,
Lord CASTLEREAG-11.-7lt is not out of the course
of Parliamentary usage, to bring forward eanotion
for discussion of this Treaty, in the shapein-which.
_the flight Hon. Gentletnau finds it.; and Perna-.
ment may, .if it thinks proper, give its advice to
the Crown, on the supposition of the Crown being
-rip- the point. or entering into any engagement
Which it may consider injurious to the interests of
the Country. What I mean, to say is this, that it
would be. improper in me to bring the document
before Parliament iu the unratified shape in which-
it is, and when it iS not binding on those Powers
who are-the parties to it. This would be taking
the sense of Parliament on a step which could not
come properly before it in relief of our own res-
ponsibility. His Majesty's Ministers, however,
take a more correct and constitutional line. We•
have obtained the sanction of Parliament for the
adoption of precautionary measures, but no sanc-
tion for any other measures ; and for these we
rest otim our own responsibilify. 'But it would
be allowed that it is always' competent to the
Ministers of the Crown to advise war if they
think proper, subject to their Own discretion and
responsibility..'• His Majesty's-Ministers wouldzbe-
acting in .a most'unconstitutional, and not only
an unconstitutional, but a pusillanimous Man-
lier, if they endeavoured to extort from Parlia-
ment in an imperfect state of informationya sanc-
tion for those measures which they might ulti-
mately adopt. But if any Hon. Member con-
ceives that advice Ought to be given to the Crown,
not td act in a manner which he conceives is likee
ly to compromise the country, and lead to mea=
sures injurious to our own interest and the geee-
ral interest of Europe, it iseertainly competent to
such Honourable Gentleman to raise the question
in the House and to bring it under discussion.
But it is not competent to his Majesty's Ministers
to take the initiative of bringing it before. Parlia-
ment, and of taking the sense •of Parliament on
imperf-et information.
Mr. WHIT,BREAD—The Noble Lord has used a
new, word, which he seems to have borrowed front
Congress .; for I do not. recollect to have, ever
beard the'word initiative made use of in this House
before. If be will not take the initiative, as he
is pleased to Callit, in this measure, in the choice
of difficulties to which we. are reduced from that
cirenrustance, knowing, as we do, the deep plunge
made by his Majesty's Government towards war,
without the question being regularly before it,
the House must pause before it grants any further
supply for what was called defensive preparations,
when it it knows that the Government will con-
vert those measures of defence into measures of
offence—aind into a war which will be pro-
secuted not only in the most disgraceful,
. but the most hopeless manner. My, duty calls
on me to propnse aft adjournment of the House,
till the Noble Lord is able to conia before us
with the terms of tins Treaty ; and I hope- Par-
liament will not be guilty of such indiseretion, as
to suffer the Noble Lord to proceed until he' has
pionged the country into a situation without re-
nkedy—when he %yin come before us with the
whole weight of his responsibility, and which
responsibility, 1 hope, the Honse will make I;iin
feel is Hoe a mere Parliamentary, term, (Hear,
hear !) but a word of real weight ; ..and'that af-
ter talking of it, and vepouring.about it fOr yeate,
the tinie is now come when we shall turn the name
into the thing, and make him feel what it really
is. 'tinder these circumstances, my proper course
is, in a constitutional-and Parliamentary. manner,
V.' prevent the supplies from being granted, till I
know the situation in which the country is:
Lord CASTLEREAGH. —The Hon. Gentleman
will never find me disposed to Shrink from any
responsibility which 1 have incurred. With- re-
spect to the course of the Hon. Member, I Inuit
say that it certainly does not consist in arming
the ExeCutive Government with those powers
which are necessary for it in the preSent arduous
situation of affairs. If time Hon. Gentleman is
not dispos'ed to coecur in those measures which
ills Majesty's Government have tbougla advisable
in the present situation of the country, it is not
on the subject of Supply that he ought to raise.
the question—he -ought to raise it on its own me-
rits, (Hear, hear, from the 'Ministerial side!) If:
the. Hon. Gentleman is "determined to
.persist in
this course, it is a proof that lie shrinks from
she merits of the questiOn, (Hear, bear, front the
-Opposition !) I repeat it again--ii is a proof.of.
:his shrinking from the merits of the question—'
1, on the contrary, to-night, bars afford-
ed him every facility for bringing the question
torward in a regular manner. Every person
must be convinced-, that the Treaty, cannot be
laid before, the House in its present saute 'by;
ids Majesty's Ministers, without their acting in'
a manner inconSisteut with the duty . which they.
owe to their country; and I consider, therefore,
the measure which the Hon. Gentlemau -.has
chosen to pursue, with the view of
,obstruCting
his Majesty's GOverninent, as only granting with
1-1 bad grace what must at last be granted, and
ecndering that strength which the House-have
ctwimitted to the Crown inadequate to its object.
.1f the Ilon. Gentleman is sincere iu the intention
.%vh,Sch he has announced of impeaching me, and
if he ws'slies at time same time to strengthen the
Executj,-e, let him bring the que,stiOn forward on
its own nu:-!rits ; but let Jahn not make this a pre.
text for wea-erting the anus -of the Executive Go-
vernment in ttl'e arduous crisis in which the coun-
try is at present placed—(fond cheering on the
.31inisterial side of t.,Se
Mr. Wur.rzmicAD.,-Wi.i.cn I granted the sup.

plies, I understood from the Noble Lord that there
was still an alternative left ; and though I told
some of my friends near me that they would soon
very likely find themselves dupeill, still I had the
authority of the Noble Lord and. the Chancelloi
of. the Exchequer that there was an•alternative of
peace or war. But. now I learn that there is no
longer an•alternatlve ; and that if I give them
any further supplies, it_ cannot be for defence,
.but for offence„ and in a cause the-most desperate
and hopeless.... To the Ministers ‘vlto could make
this .Country a party'to such'a Treaty,
.even after
a. vote fur strengthening the bands of•Governmene
—after what r beat: of 'their- conduct, 1 cats' no
longer, consistently with niY duty, entru.st, the
supplies--(lleac, hear l).—The Noble -Lord-lras.
talked of the facility which helms giVen us. What
facility has he given us ? allowiog us to de-
bate on a Treaty which he says is iinperfectly be-
fore us. Will the' Noble Lord tell us, the nature
of the Treaty? Jle bas told us already iii4t the one
we have seen it substantially inaCcurate„and,thus
• we shall • go to a' discussion, trusting to be in-
formed, in the course of-the debate; what is the.dif-
lerence between the treaty which. we have seen,and
the real one-. And:this is what he calls-affording
:us facility 1 He toes me the additional favour to
tell me how I ought to conduct myself as a Meta-.
ber of Parliament. The public are better judges
of my conduct than't amr; but sure I am, what-
'ever their opinion may be, I will not go to the
Noble Lord fur advice. Upon these grounds, and
convinced as I ant, chit the line of conduct which
am pursuing is one that is constitutional and
proper, and !lie only one which can be followed
I with interest or adtantage to the country, I §ball
' certainly perSist in it, thoagh the one which the
Noble Lord has pointed out would, 410 doubt, be
more advantageous to. himself : and
_when the
Noble Lord 'pointed out the line or conduct
which he conceived proper for me, I believe he
r\
attier expressed his own opinion than the course
which the country would expect or wish me to
follow.
Lord CASTGEREAGH.-Wheuever the Honour-
able Gentleman thinks lie has sufficient grounds
for instituting a motion for censure of me, I-be-
lieve this is a duty which he will not fail to dis-
charge; and so long as. I see no-notice tp that
purpose entered on,the book, I shall feel satisfied
that there is no ground in the Honourable Mem-
' ber's mind to warrant'hint in such a course. Will
the-House listen. to the Honourable Gentleman's
proposal for withholding the Supplies and -weaken-
ing the hands of Gthvernment, on grounds which
.the Honourable Member will not bring forward
oil their own merits ?

Sir J. NEWPORT.--I had a right when I dis-
sented from my Hon: Friend (Mr. Whitbread) on
a late occasion, to consider that there was still an
alternative left—that war was not then determin-
ed on—and I now find out that I am duped by the'
Noble Lord-=--(llear, hear !)—and that to the
Noble Lord I ought not to have given credence,
tar the 'nuestiOn Which he , told me was pending,
was actually determined. 'The Noble Lord tells us
now that the Treaty, with some substantial inac-
curacies, is correct. He gives us in his usual way
an answer, and a qualified answer, so as to put it out
of our power ever to fix any precise opinion on him.
But that night the Noble Lord tdltl us expressly that
there was no decision, and that when the decision
was a!;:eafly taken. Ile now said that we ought not
to rouse the supplies which were given for an alter-
native, but which alternative did trot exist. I
cannot very well conceive what the Noble Lord
means by using the words, not shrinking from re-
sponsibility, because he is -certainly shrinking
from responsibility if he (Foes not give in this do-
cument.—Whea wi)l th,. Noble Lord give it to us
When it will be too late for us to save the country
fi'om des:truction—from a renewal of a war Which
has sunk our finances to the state in whip h they
now are, xvh:cli has ground to the dust every
class of the community. Then the Noble. Lord
will give it when it is too late. As to the boast-
ed responsibility of the Noble Lord at such a pe-
riod, it would be nothing worth. What
.com
pensation:would it be then to the country,even if
,ive were to follow, the Noble
.Lord to the block-?
Before war is determined on, the House olighho
lave,an opportunity of interposing their advice.
The course of my lion. Friend.is regular and con-
stitutional. When Parliament has not sufficient
documents to enable it to form a judgment, it is
the only legal method of preventing the abuse of
power. When One sees, Ministers treating in a
:double sense, with the public-7when we see our-
selves on the point of a renewal of
.the calami-
ties which were brought on ns by the War of.
1794, and involved again by the very same'actsl
which were then practised ; a war which has re-
duced every man's income to a third of its value,
and then we are told of: the responsibility of Mi-
nisters, it is impossible to preserve our tempers,
Sir, I scorn such a responsibility—(Heari.hear !)
My Hon. Friend, whom the Noble, 'Lord has
thought Ifit to advise, has sat in thiS Home infi-
nitely ronger than the Noble Lord himself, and he
-has done the duty of the country, unpaid, unsa-
laried, and unstipended, and the love and grati-
tude of his country will follow hitn.
Lord CASTLEREAGI4.—AS to the eulagy pro-
nounced by the Right Honourable Baronet ou. his
friend, it is one in which I am by no means dis-.
posed to concur. The Right Honourable Baronet
' has Proceeded in a manner which is certainly cal-
culated to lie painful to the feelings of the person
to whom he is opposed. I conceive that it is not.
inconsistent;to strengthen the hands of the Crown,
and at tire same time give it good advice. If there
is an i;npression on the mind'of any Honourable
;Mei-fiber, that,a certain course is in the contem-
plation of -his,Majesty's Ministers, it •is open to
hip. to move the House to give advice to the-
CriAwn on the subject ; and,, therefore to obstruct
the supplies rather than offeradvice to the Crown,
is not tiny sense 'necessary. With respect,to
the line of conduct which his Majesty's Ministers
have pursued, I deny peremptorily that there has
been any delusion whatever. I should have
trespassed in the line of duty which I ought to
have pursued had I thrown . myself-then on the
House, and said.that war .was- either taken or not •
taken. I gave no opinion to the House, on the
probability of either peace or war. I merely
stated that we were placed in such a case of exi-
gency as ought to. induce us 'to .strengthen the
literals of Governinent for either War or peace, and '

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respecting wlaicliMinistert wood.aftetwarktonie
to,Payliament. Right 'Hoit llarona' says,
that There then no alternative. What the
probability of war was, I left to the House to
,collect. I said that. the principle on which his Ma-
jesty's Ministers placed the general system of war
or -peace; would be mainly influenced by the ge-
neral feeling of the powers. • with whom we act-;.;-
and however 'highly the light. Hon. baronet may
led himself warranted in zOncltuling from the do-:
cument that there is no Aternative,, we ought not
to.conclade that an instrumentAlopted.under one
course of circhinstances, is to.tte conclusive under
circumstances of a d;fierent description.
Mr. WHITBREAD.--I wish to say one tvot'dmore,
.A single ray-Of light his broken in, upon (rota
thd speeolt olthe,Noble Lord, TheNobleLOrd'
has said; that when he sees no riotice.on. the book
he shall 'always conclude that I 11ave
,no,groimds •
for'eensure, I may have -sufficient grannas, for.
.censure; but I_ hive. • also sufficient. experience of
Parliament; to`, kiwi what the influence of the.
Crwrn 'is. He knows
.what the country, gives.
to the CrOwn, and the country what lid has given
to the Crown.

AIr.IIETnuEN believed the, Noble Lord ,pos-
"sessed the confidence of the .country;. which re-
niained yet unshaken. He had his' entire confi-
dence.

Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH .would not agree with
the hints that had been thrown out that this was
a petty proceeding, a mere squabble about papers ?
What papers ? Why, a Treaty,w4th four-of the
greatest Powers in illr)yorld. lie. would agree
that all hearts and bands should united• in the
cause of the country, lint only as-far as they can
agree in conscience. , He
:would -ask, if..-....eyery-
Member ought not to. baye an opportnnitY of
-accurately knowing the. substance q a Treaty.of
such importance bailie_ the first discussion-of it'?
He Wished to know if the Noble Lord would. be
disposed Co give theta 'some information respecting
it, informally,
_as had been done, if be...-was not
mistaken, when the Treaties were, conducted with
Sweden and Russia, and the nnratified.Subsidiary
Treaty of Chaumont. Would the Noble _-Lord
take what had passed this day as a notice, and
consent to give the substance of the Treaty'?
Mr. METHUEN denied .that be had: given any
abstract applause to the condu,et of Lord Castle-
reagh—in this instance received his-full 4ppro-
bation (Hear," hear !),. He tl ought that, he might
fairly accuse the other side of the House with
giving abstract and systematic opposition to every-
measure of GovernllleHl, under whatever dream- ,
stances it might be adopted (Hear, hear !).
Lord. CASTLEREAGH observed, that for the rea-
sons he had before stated, he should decline laying
the substance of the Treaty before the House,
unless a distinct motion were made upon the sub,,
ject, and then he' conld state his "opinion, and
adopt such conduct as he knight deem expedient.
Lord MILTON begged to know on what day the
Treaty kti question had been received by Govern-
ment ?

Lord CASTLEREAGEI answered, that he should
be prepared to give every information•on a future
day. - .

111 r. BENNET inquired whether that part of the
published copy were contained in the authentic
thicurne-nt,in which the Allies were made to de-
clare that they would bring to justice all'sueh
persons as shall have joined, or may hereafter
join, th€ party of Napoleon e wished- to
lino'.v whether that provision had been ratified by
the British Government • •

• Lord CASTLEREAGII had no Objection to' state,
that that part was decidedly -incorrect-5111)51.1n..
hilly inaccurate.- •
Lord .111}LION, asked, whether this Treaty was
in the hands of Ministers before the 7th Ap
the day on which the Noble Lord had obtained
the Address ? •

Lord CASTLE REAG,II replied in the affirmative, and
added, th:►t he was pnvared to contend that there
was 'lathing at all inconsistent between the terms
of the Address an 4 of the Treaty.
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Mr. TIERItiE.Y regretted that. the Noble Lord
had any objection to produce the substanCe of the
Treaty.

Loft! CASTLEREAGFI-1 have 'not stated that I
Bail any objection..

Mr. WHITBREAD-7D(CS the Noble Lord mean
to say, that if 'a motion be now made will pro-
duce it ?

Lord CASTLEREAGH answered, that lie could
not undertake to lay it before the House upon an
immediate motion, if not in courtesy to\his Col-
leagues,
Whose opinions he wished to receive, but
in courtesy also to thc! Representatives. of other
Powers, whose interests were alike affected.
Mr. WurrßaEAD regretted that the Noble Lord
had not saved_ the time of the House by earlier
making such- a statement. .Was he now to under-
stand, that if a motion were made on Monday fur
the substance of the Treaty, it would -meet with
the compliance of the:Noble Lord ? If so, he
would of course move for it, and then the subject
would be fairly and cleat ly before the House.

Lord CASTLEREAGH ..said, that be would enter
`into no compact. He was surprised that the Hon.
MenYher should so long have remained in the dark,
for the whole course of his (Lord C.'s) reasoning
was intended to show, that at the proper time he
should not think it inconsistent with his duty to
lay the substance.of the Treaty upon the table.—
All he would say at present was, that he should be
prepared on Monday to,give the lion. Gentleman
a distinct answer.

Mr.'WHITEREAD observed, that on Monday be
should make the motion without entering into ar-
gument, in order to ascertain whether the Noble
Lot ti's sense of. duty Would allow him to produce
what wai required, in order thattheHouse should
not be .plunged into, a discussion that might be
disadvantageous to the country. He.should.make
the motiotl he(ore the Coins ittee of. Supply.
Mr. PoNsoNßv wished to know distinctly, whe-
ther, On "Monday, the Noble Lord would consent
to, produce the substance of the Treaty lie pro-
tested anainst. being compelled to discuss., the
merits OfthiS Treaty or to, ve-ntiou, without pre-
cise information .upon its nature.
• Lord CASTLEREAGH congratulated the House on
the pacific tone that had been recently assumed by
the other side of the_ House, and that opinioDS
apparently so.hostile had.,. been reconciled in a
inanfier so satisfactory—(Hear ! and laughter).
Air. WHITBREAD observedl. that as the Noble

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*Lord bad been die Dettion G ' t-114 —9
,or .ow° .0, o
now he was metamorphosed iota. the Genisoble
Lord had at first
.said-, no man could have `ilp;o4
patred t
what had recently fallen from his liP:s., illot:
he Was peifectly ready to grant.evcry hltstle'
Was required. (No ± No ! -from Lora seallt''
reagh.)i Yes,, he would grant all that %vas N. 01)
Nell,
,substance of :the Treaty. (Nt„,' 1 ,j(lifr
ell, diet), the fact would be known 011 LVJ°.se it.,
CO 31 ••
;and 'Mr: Whitbread had no disposition
anew storm by further contention. h herd
. Lord CASTLEREAGH.---1 cannot see t--,t 'fi'l
ait.stp,apibtloyeve,cianuatter oG.di'fference betlire-en 05 1-I(''' . Ot!
Honourable Member does -tiot, 1108"e/erre! Or
afraid
orostae,sff.illyris:cpcoriansidsitetico. tt,hiantgidoll.,•aatnlt
.naorot
550°1..0?11,,
„iil# t,11,1;
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;..i.sz . 1-11T11 R EAD.—The fear express,-- ,artos-:
oble Lord is quite unfounded as tIY; r, fora
would.have .been•if I had ever hestowo! it +•
.
the fact is, that he never received a sc`ti-f l'ls'
applause from me during the whole course °
,political life. .• • 61
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The question was then put-, and it was °Ja let
011
that
the House at its riiing should inPur-
Monday: •

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• - PBOPEIITYTAX. brat'
The CHANCELLOR of the ExcnEovEn . istie
in the New Property TaX Bill. On Ale qu''
e
that it be read a first time, lye
Mr. J. GRANT he should 0005
measure on the second reading. ate
Mr. GIIENFELL e4lained the 'vote be b lota
the minority on the former night, which 'ibt, is
intended to produce the delay of a fort"higt ldh
proposed by Mr. Brand. The events 1-3 t s°'
-recently occurred induced tins to think th 3 000
a measure was necessary, under two °l.sboal4/
modifications :-I..That the Property
be rendered more equAl, by lessening theto 500'.
upon persons whose incomes were front
a-year,---2. That incomes derived fro:" ;re':
professions should not pay in the siiren: tyl
lion as incomes derived from fixed Pr°r,-„reetl '-
That sonic
,regulations should be
diminish the inquisitorial powers of.th,,e
missioners on aflairs of Taxes in Soniersrt-ireptle:
Mr. ELLIs supported the Bill, but ree°'"nmisiP
that a Committee should be appointed to
/°11)( of the fit modifications.
Mr. GORDON opposed-the tts.diu
po,
NEWPORT. t allg" 4
the c.„a",,,,iA
Mr. BeNsoN-bore testimony -to
sentimetrt in Liverpool in favour of- the .I'er If
Tax. It. gave Ministers Cott greater °"lo.'beel)..,,
cause taxes to-the same amnt would " iota'
raised by other Bills, if not by that
to
the House.
Mr. C. 'WYNNE regretted the espenuit-dilK
which we here exposed, but thnugbt 1° 4,1
measure calculated to meet the ditlicoirY• „ e
Mr. BARING did not admit that any 10454)ci
introc co,
taken place in the public opiniOn thi,P.it
last year, but In. was trilling to allow that iseco''s4
be prudent to adopt it for one year
the machinery was already prepared ; thtit
• it would enable Government to Cie with
P goer and decision which might at 8 SP-e
•ogr
to a new war.
Air. PONSONRY ridiculed the idea of g';
of the Tak at the end of the year. Iti`"- stee
suppose that this new war, in "'Ili" I;i't-de'
be to
,c 1 0-0
about to be involved, would soon
Mr. Alderman ATKI.Ns further enit'rce(t
ceisity of. modifications, without &minis.'
amount of the Tax. ltee'
Mr. W. Smin-Crecommended a Convi' Si'
The House divided on an Amendwe'lt
NEWPORT'S, when the numbers were
0
Foe the Bill being read a first time, 7g-Agnt 'cCP.
The Bill- was then read a first,' ail" e
. be read -a second time on Monday. twos
tl
The second reading of the Alien DI" (livi,'i„`):o
moved, and the House was cleared for 3 The v
Which, however, did not take plaeo.""
r
was read a second time.
ardo:tpheo,Ncialsaknectel
1,
o%sr• hoetther t
been Mr.
a
press the second reading of-the Proper''Y
on Monday. Ire 3"
The CHANCELLOR of the ExcuEay.E3"---. 1/01
CALL OF-THE HOUSE.
`Sir J. NEWPORT said, that as h 3 cool es fis oil
a Bill which imposed 14 Millions of t°,.eitlio°,lll.
country in a manner generally odious `t'e" 51011'
full attendance, at least in one stage) t
give notice that he would on Moitd9Y 111°‘_ dots
of :the- House for Thursday ne%l:„., , an
dyedlli tsPocibloitto•ccriylmAnnni:i tol tirtedido`noßnlii Wednesday.ll went till was rar
odu hs e_ea"'cjolati—tnei 't
tees
tsi.;:'
r'AlondaYlpt, , Ws
was ordered to he read a third time on 0
be pi&
The Irish Treasury Bills Bill. d the Irish .3)
sbo,..
tion Bill were read a third time and assed.
Lord IWGENT gave notic • thatoxP
tyo'n-betweeoooo9lo
more, that the Papers respecting
lets, and ay American Privateer thehe recferretito a„C,,„vde,„re
Mr. LOSHINGTON brought in the Bleaching J;i4
which was read a first time.—To3 be read a se°
Monday.—Adjourned to Monday.
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rcsford„ Second Earl of Tyrone, the night 1-I,.°.`vatert to•
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