The Sun.
London, England, 1840-02-07 00:00:00

EVENING EDITION.

had been several times before the House, and he
bad never seen a larger attendance on such ecei-
lions than the present. He should therefore recom-
mend his Hon. Friend to take his chance of a divi-
sion to-night, when, if he found himself in a minority,
he could postpone his motion.
Sir P. TRENCH said it was his intention to divide
the House. He admired the talents of Mr. Gurney,
but be agreed with the Chancellor of the Trxchequer,
that the House ought not to be made the arena of ex-
periments, by which the Members were put to incon-
venience.
Mr. BENNETT said he was a very old Member
of the House, and was agreeably surprised, on first
seeing the new light, to find that though a little
gloomy at first, on taking a paper of small print from
h►s pocket, he found he had not been able to read
for many years parts so well as on that occasion. He
was perfectly satisfied that this light was the best the
House bad yet experienced. He should, therefore,
vote at all events for a longer trial.
Mr. BRISCOE said he was not so old a Member,
nor was his sight so defective, though not so good as
it had been. He felt it difficult to decide upon the
subject, but was, on the whole, inclined to think he
gave the preference to the present. With respect to
the mist, he thought it did not arise from the light, but
from the dust which arose from the numerous holes
in the floor for the purpose of ventilation. There
were Gentlemen engaged in the gal.ery above to
whom the light and its effects were of the utmost con-
sequence, and he had taken it upon himself to ask them
their opinion respecting the present lights, and they
were unanimous in its favour.—( Hear, hear.) He
certainly would vote for the Bude light.
Col. SALWEY considered that they were greatly
indebted to the Hon. and Gallant Member for his re-
peated attempts to enlighten the House. He thought
" 'Twas sweet to view, from half-past five to six,
Their long wax candles with short cotton wicks,
Touch'd by the lamplighter's Promethean art,
Start into light, and make the lighter start."
Having seen it in that light, he should certainly sup-
port the Hon. Member's wax-candle motion.

Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. The
House divided, when there appeared—

_ ..
For the motion 69
Against it 5O
Majority —l9

On re-entering the House we found
Mr. BARNEBY moving for leave to bring in a
Bill to remove from Counties the expense and liability
of repairing the highways over bridges, and the three
hundred feet next adjoining to any ends of the same.
Lord GRENVILLE SOMERSET said, if the
present measure was introduced, it would throw the
expense of these repairs upon parishes or private indi-
viduals. Unless the Hon. Member explained how
the expenses were to be defrayed, he should feel it
his duty to oppose the introduction of the Bill.
Mr. WARBURTON also objected to the Bill.
If the parties who repaired the road and repaired the
bridge Were different, complaints would be made that
the repairs of the one had injured the other, and actions
wouldrbe brought by the district surveyor against the
parishes, or private individuals, upon whom the re-
pairs 'of the road would tall, on the ground of their
having injured the bridge. The common sense of the
matter was, that the--repairs of both should be vested
in the same individual.
Mr. BAINES thought it would be an injustice to
the trusts if any additional burdens were thrown
upon them, and therefore he should oppose the Bill.
Sir C. BURRELL said a few words in opposition
to the Bill.
Mr. JONES could assure the House that most of
the turnpike trusts in the country were in A State of
bank►-uptcy, and it would be most unfair to throw any
additional burdens upon them.
Mr. BARNEBY replied. He believed, that under
the present system, great frauds were practised upon
the public. The expenses would not be greater upon
the parishes than they were at present. He trusted,
therefore, the House would allow him to bring in his
Bill.
The House then divided, and the numbers were—
Against the introduction of the Bill, 52
In favour l7
Majority 35
TURNPIKE TRUSTS.
Mr. FOX MAULE rose to propose resolutions of
some importance to a very considerable interest in
the country. Since he had put the notice of his motion
upon the books, it occurred to him that he might bene-
ficially change the terms of the resolutions which he
had to propose, by striking out of the second resoluti3n
the reference made to previous Acts. The resolutions,
as he wished the House to pass them, were—" That
nothing herein contained shall be deemed or construed
to exempt the turnpike-road by this Act authorised to
be made, from the provisions of any general Act relating
to the consolidation or other improved arrangement of
turnpike-roads, which may pass during the present or
any future Session of Parliament. And be it also
enacted, That the tolls levied or to be levied under the
authority of this Act, and the money to be subscribed
or borrowed on the credit thereof, shall be applied, Ist,
in the payment of costs and expenses relating to pro-
curing and passing this Act ; 2dly, in defraying the ex-
pense of erecting turnpike and toll-houses, and repair-
ing, widening, altering, and amending the said road, and
defraying all other necessary costs, charges, and expenses
attending the same; idly, in paying the interest of the
monies borrowed, or to be borrowed ; and, lastly, in
paying off. the principal monies borrowed or to be
borrowed under the authority of this Act."
Sir C. BURRELL said a great deal of capital bad
been embarked in these turnpike trusts, and it would
not be quite fair to depive them of the advantages
upon which they had calculated when they had so em-
barked their money. He hoped the House would con-
sider the lamentable state in which many of these turn-
pike trusts were, before they proceeded to legislate
upon the subject. He would recommend the withdrawal
of the second resolution for the present, and bring it
forward at some future period in an amended form.
After an observation from Mr. GOULBURN,
Mr. FOX MAULE consented to withdraw the re-
solution.

The other resolution was then agreed to.
Mr. WALLACE moved for a return in columns
(in continuation of that of last Session) of the number of
causes instituted in the Court of Session of Scotland,
between the first day of November 1839 and the 12th
day of March 1840 ; showing the number thereof en-
rolled before each of the Lords Ordinary, the number
finally decided, and those still in dependence.—Ordered.
Mr. -R. STEU ART brought up the Repot of the
Committee on Ways and Means.
The House adjourned at Seven Minutes past Ten
o'Clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, Fail. 6.

The LORD CIIANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool-
k at Five o'Clock, when
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ANSWER TO THE ADDRESS.

The LORD STEWARD (the Earl of Errol) appeared at
the table, and said—l have had the honour of laying
the Address, agreed to by your Lordships, before her
Majesty, and I am charged with her Majesty's most
gracious answer, which I will now proceed to read.
" I will give directions that a full inquiry be made
into the important matters on which you have
addressed me, and you may rely on my determination
to discourage all doctrines that are dangerous to the
morality and religion of this country."
Upon the motion of the Duke of WELLINGTON,
her Majesty's moat gracious answer was ordered to be
entered on the Journals of the House.
The Duke of RICHMOND presented petitions
from the Ministers, Elders, and Inhabitants in the
counties of Kinross, Aberdeen, and Banff,
against the cytem prevailing of intruding ministers on
parishes against the wishes of a majority of the inhabi-
tants ; also one from the Magistrates and Town Coun-
cil of the Royal burgh of Banff against the above prin-
ciple, and complaining that the Commission of the
General Assembly had suspended seven ministers
merely for obeying the law.
The Duke of WELLINGTON presented several
petitions from the County of Southampton, praying the
House to take measures for putting down the abomi-
nable doctrines of Socialism.

The Duke of SUTHERLAND presented several
petitions in favour of the Corn-laws.
The Earl of RIPON presented a petition from an
individual named Smith, who stated that he felt very
much interested in the spiritual welfare and condition
of that part of our population engaged in maritime
affairs, and he begged to state that a great portion of
this class was in a state that was much to be lamented,
and he prayed for inquiry.
The Bishop of SALISBURY presented several
petitions against Socialism, and praying that steps might
be taken to put down an institution lately founded by
that Society in the county of Hants. He had received
some information on the subject, with which he would
lot then trouble the House, but be would have much
pleasure in putting it into the hands of the Government
The Marquis of NORMAN BY laid on the table a
report from the Tithe Commissioners of England and
Wales, and a report from the Commissioners of Stamps
in Ireland.
PRINCE ALBERT'S ANNUITY.
On the motion of Lard MELBOURNE, the Stand-
ing Orders were suspended. and Prince Albert'i An-
nuity Bill was read a second time, committed, read a
third time, and passed.
TRINITY COLLEGE, DUBLIN.
Lord FITZGERALD asked a question of Lord
Normanby relative to the celibacy of the Fellows of
Trinity College, Dublin, but the question was put, and
the answer of Lord Normanby returned, in so low a
tone of voice that we were unable to make out the
effect of either.

',—
Lord KENYON wished to know if the Fellows of
the College had taken an oath with regard to celibacy,
and if they had afterwards been dispensed from it
Lord NORMANBY said that there certainly could
have been no oath taken in the case, as it would have
been impossible to evade the force of it. There was
merely a statute which might be suspended.

DIVISIONS IN THE SCOTTISH CHURCH.

The Earl of ABERDEEN preserittA petitions from
various places in Scotland praying that no Ministers
should be intruded on the parishes of that country con-
trary to the wishes of the people. The Noble Lord pro-
ceeded to say that their Lordships were, perhaps, in some
degree aware of the state of agitation and excitement
which existed in Scotland on the subject of those peti-
tions. Ho said in some degree, for he believed that
such of their Lordships as had not personal knowledge
and information on the matter would find it difficult to
form any conception of the nature and extent of the
feeling which prevailed in that country in consequence
of the proceedings of the Church Courts and the Civil
Tribunals there. The Noble Viscount opposite might
however, be aware of it ; and he was sure that the Noble
Viscount would agree with him in lamenting the
distracted state of the public in Scotland, and the inevi-
table consequences to the good order and peace of the
country which would ensue from the continuance of
such a state of things. That was not the time to enter
into any inquiry into the nature and the causes of those
dissensions which so unhappily prevailed. Nevertheless
he would now state his conviction that the principle of
what is called non-intrusion had always existed in the
Church of Scotland, for it had been recognised and
effect had been given to it more or less at different times.
He should say that their Lordships ought to have re-
course to some legislative measure having for its object
to restore the peace of the Scottish Church, and
to heal and compose those dissensions which now
distract that country from one end to the other.
In saying that, however, he wished that the Lord Chan-
cellor should understand that he did not presume to
question the decision pronounced on the subject last
Session by his Lordship, and which had been made public
by a Nobleand Learned Lord then absent from the House.
He not only entirely acquiesced in that decision, but he
was convinced that it was perfectly just and well founded.
He thought it was a decision favourable to the Church
of Scotland, and to the moral character of the people
of that country, both of whom would have been
likely to have been injured by a continuance of
that law which the General Assembly had attempted
to establish, but which their Lordships had pronounced
to be illegal.—( Hear, hear.) He should conclude
by asking the Noble Tiscount opposite whether it
was the intention of her Majesty's Ministers
to introduce any measure, having for its object the re-
moval of the difficulties which now surround the subject ;
and if so, at what time he wished to bring it forward.

Lord MELBOURNE said he was aware of th 3 im-
portance of the subject to which the Noble Earl had
called the attention of their Lordships, and of the
consequences which might follow from those proceedings.
The matter was under the consideration of Government,
and as her Majesty's Ministers had not made up their
minds on the subject, it would be highly inexpedient
for him to enter into any explanation at that moment.
The Earl of ABERDEEN supposed that there was
some measure under the consideration of the Govern-
ment, and he hoped that when that measure was in-
troduced it would be adopted by the Cabinet, and
would not be made one of those open questions, by
which the character of the Government was rendered
equivocal.
The Earl of H ADDINGTON hoped that no mea-
sure of the Government would confer upon the people
an arbitrary and irresponsible power of rejecting and
adopting Ministers according to their caprice.