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MONDAY, APRIL 13.

Counsel were fin-dly heard in the Scots Appeal
Cause, M4Nair•v. Fleming, viz. Sir Samuel Ro-
as second Counsel for the Respondent, and
the Solicitor General on the part of the Appellant,
in reply,
The LORD CHANcELLOR made a variety of ob-
servations on the pecoliar nature of the case, and
concluded, by proposing, with a view to its being
ascertained whether the decision in this case was re-
(cognised by the subsequent practice and decisions of
the Courts below, that this and aunt her case con-
beded therewith, ,before their Lor%:ships, should be
reserved for further consideration until this day se'n-
Pight.
The Earl of KtNNout presented a Petition from
the City of Perth, in Scotland, praying, for the rea-
oss asigned therein, to ne admitted to, a partici-
Patton in the East India trade. The Petition being
lead by the Clerk',-was, on his Lordship's motion,
ordered to lie on the lahle.

On the question for the third reading of the Cat-
Vater Harbour Improvtruent Bill, Counsel (Mr.
-Adam) was heard in support of the Petition against
the amisure.

Thr LORD CHANCELLOR, however,'being of opi-
l'ich 1. ,tt th, allegations of the Petirion were of too
gehr, I: nature,, and not SUdiCirotly specific and
ihstivi4, the, Counsd were ordered to withdraw,
ono was forthwith read a third time, and
passed.

The Eact of Wellington's Annatv Bill was, alter
a few words ;ruin 11)- Duke of NORFOLK, read a
thud time, and pa.st,d.
The MilitAry Inquiry Bill ,vent _through a
Comtniitee of the whole House, and was re-
pored.

The Re'poll of the Committee on the Pilchard
Fishery Bill, atncuding peri-d. of the !hit's du-
ration, by altering hr date trom 180 g, as sent.up,
to 18 tg, vv.ol agired to by the House.
The teinai,ing 13:11s bc+lg forwarded, their Lord-
ships adjourned till to-iiiorrow. •

ROUSE OF COMMONS.

MONDAY, APRIL 13.

The' Report of the - Committee on the Lords'
Aniendinenis to the Local Mili!ia Bill w4s brou;ht

The SPEAKER informed the House, that the
Committee recommended it to them in thcir Re-
Port to agree in all the intend rents blot one, which
was to this eff.Ct :—The Bill, a; pas•ed by the
Commo directed Returns to be made br the Con •
stablei to tire Clerk e Peace, turd, r a certain
.e"iiity. The amendment of the Lords went to
c,...11461, that the fit-turns sh-uld :•Iso toe made to the
"rnmanderi under the same penal y. The House
qComi-noncould not agree to such an enadtnent
%)tning from the Lords. He, therefore, suggested
the appointment of a COmmittee to frame an, ar•
I`'er to the Lords, stating the grounds on which
their amendment was rtjeth-d. The Committee
J' Whom 'the
.Report was made, wa' apt.nirltrA to
manage the- conference with their Lordships.
Mr. CuawEN, ,in consequence of-the t pinions of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and other Gentle-
men, who were Members of thfe Committee of 1795
and 1800, on the inexpediency of agioning the sms-
jea on which he had given a notice -(ine question
on the scate-;ty of Corn), was induced to wave
his own opinion, and accordingly withdraw his
notice.

On the second reading of the Devon County Rate
/lilt, some discussion arose, in which Colonel BAS.,
TA RD,
Sir C. POLE,, Mr. CURa•EN, Sir J. GRA-
SAM, and other Honourable Members participatvd,
In amendment was moved, which went- to twit
tiff the second reading of the Bill to that day six
Rion! hs.

On a division, the numbers were understood to be,
Enr the original motion 52
For the amendment - 39
Majority - 13
The Bill was then read a second time.
EAST INDIA CHARTER.

A Petition was presented from Wolverhampton,
against the East India monopoly.
Lord A. HAMILTON wished to know if the Right
Ron. Gentleman opposite was able to state when
be should bring f .rward his plan for the renewal of
• the East India Charter ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER expelled
to be able to bring it forward in the week after next.
tie thought in the early pin of the week.
Lord FOLKESTONE wished to know in what
form he intended to bring the. subjea before the
douse ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had already
stated what, were his ideas on the subje&. He
should move for a Committee of the whole House,
and in that CoMmittee propose ceitain resolutions,
which, if agreed to, would form the basis of the Bill
to be brought. in.
The Petition was ordered to lie on the Table.

LINEN MANUFACTURES OF IRELAND.
Mr. STEWART expressed apprehensions at the
danger to which the Manufaetures of Ireland were
likely to be exposed by the licensed importation of
linen, lawn, and cambric, from France. , TheMa-
nufattures in the North of Ireland were not now in
the most flourishing state, and such importations,
he feared, would do them great injury. He hoped
-that the Right Hon.-Gentleman had some informa-
tion to give him on this subjea, that would relieve
his anxiety.
Mr. W. POLE was happy to be able to do so. He
then went into a statement of the duties upon the
importation of the articles - mentioned into Great
Britain, and of the drawbacks allowed on their be-
ing re-exported. The importation of lawn into
Ireland be stated to be altogether prohibited. The
law, he contended, was not at all altered by the li-
censes granted, and he did not conceive that any
danger was thence to be apprehended by the manu-
faaures of Ireland.
The Committee on the Irish Population Bill was
Postponed to Friday. •
A message from the Lords announced their Lord-
shil s assent to the Honduras Trade 8.11, and several
other Bills.
'\l(kl. Mr. Jloss presented en Estimate of the Expen-

dilore for the RoyaJ Naval Asylum. Ordered co lie
on the table.

- Mr. WHARTON presented a return of the number
of Persons Prosecuted for Forging the Currency of
the Realm, which was ordered to be printed.

CAPTAIN KING.

The Order of the Day being read.for resuming
the debate on the motion for Papers relative to the
Case of Captain King ;
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER expressed
hitosyll reidy to agree to the motion, if the Nob
Lord 11,0 no objeation to the produdion of certain
counter memorials, for which he proposed.
'Lord FOLKSTONE hid no objection to the pro-
duttion of t(ne Papers mentioned, as-lie was confi-
dent the more the case was looked into the stronger
it would appear. _ _

The Pipers originally moved for wire, then order-
ed to be laid before the House; as also the counter
memorials,or answers to the same ; the latter, on
the molion of the Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Sir H. POPHAM then moved that there be laid be-
fore the House a copy of the attestation of Lord Bar-
ham, attached to the memorial of Sir Home Pop-
ham, and presented to the King in Council—copies
of the opinions of the Board of Admiralty on a refer-
ence to the Privy Council—and of all orders from the
Boardlof Admiralty to the .Navy Board to pay Sir
Home.Ponhatn.as a flag officer ; copies of the opi-
nion,. of the law officers, on the \ subjett of the Bue-•
nos Apes Prize,'lnoney ; as also the memorials of
Captains Toulmin and King.:--Ordered.
The Committee on the Bankrupt Members' Bill
etas postponed to Wednesday.
Thu House then resolvea itself into a
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY._ _ _

Mr. WHARTON brought forward ihe Barrack Es-
timates. He stared the excess of the Estimates over
those of las, year to be considerable .; but at the
same lime assured the •Committee that every regard
had been had to economy, and every endeavour
made to les,en the expense, He then went into, a
Variety or derails, which were not distinctly audible
in the gallery, and concluded by moving., " That d
sum nor ext., e.tinc, 524,4411. he ;ranted to defray
the expences of the Barrack Department of Great
Britain,"

Mr. FREEMANTLE thought the stalemen; of the
Hon. Gentl-..man was no Ira satisfactory, and
'nought tarteer explanation wasiiecesiary. It seen -
ed there was nearly an annual expenditure of
900,0001. in the Barr D•vartment, and there
were works in progress which were not included-in
these- estimates. Some of the items appeared to
h+m very h:gh. 138,5001. appeared -tor Barrack, for
the 2d regiotent of Lite-Guards. He put it to the
f-fousel this was he- time at which they mtg.,' to.
by, called upon to vote .near 140,0001. for barracks
for one regiment of Life Guards. To • him such a
vote at such a time would ptove a profligate waste
of money.- Th.. estimated expense of erecting bar-
racks at Liverpool was 82,p001. He thought at a pe-
riod like the present, Ole House should pause. be-
tote they gave near 100,0001. for such a purpose.-
20,3001. was put down for stabling at Brighton
a;rd here again he would ask, it a grant of near
30,0001. should be galled on for such au account
:The Honourable Gentleman proceeded -to notice
various items. in the estimates which he thought
charged too high, and called on the Hun. Gentleman
opposite. for tat the, exelanation.
Mr. WHARTON explained to .t he Committee, on
the points to which his attention liadbren
Hon. G.tor. hail slated that there were works
in progress which did not appear in- these schedules.
He (Mr. W.) was much mistaken if any nt the
buildings in progress, or intended to he put in pro-
gress, were omitted in the papers before the Corn.
mittee. The estimated expense of the bairacks fOr
the Lite Guards was great, he knew, but the subjed
had had the greatest conoderation. It was, how-
ever; a necessary expense, as the lease of the tem-
porary barracks they. Occupied at present, had ex-
pired, and it was with much difficulty that the use
of them ciuld be obtained for the present 4 even at
an advanced price. Every possible care had been
taken since the institution of the present Board to
lessen the expense, and he was happy to say their
exertions had been crowned with success. The
stabling for cavalry at Brighton he contended via's
necessary if troops were to be kept there, and would
answer a double purpose, as it would serve for a
fence to the line of building already erected.

Mr. HUSILISSON said, that in former years, not
only new barracks, but many other new
.buildings,
were'proposed by the military, which the Treasury
did not think it right to adopt, yet the men were,
notwithstanding, sufficiently accommodated. The
building at Mary-le-bone Park would stand at the
rate of 4 5 01: for every horse, and, atter all, he sus•
speeled it would be one of those auk ward attempts
at magnificence, neither •a stable or a palace, but -a
something between both. Could not the French
prisoners at Bristol be accommodatrd at a less ex-
pence than sixty thousand pounds, and all necessary
means taken for security ? But the real question was,
whether, under all the circumstances, there were
not expences which might be poitponed without in-
convenience ? If the Right Uon. wai
anxious that the )ear's expence-should not fall short
of 100,000,0001. there were other ways in which
he might continue to dispose of it ; in fact it was
by looking to establishments of this kind that we
could hope to effea advantageous retrenchments,
and to meet those demands which did not admit of
delay. He was still of the same opinion he had en-
tertained when connected with the Treasury, that
such undertakings might be postponed, or, it under-
taken, executed at less expence.

Mr. DARN ELL thought the Committee should he-
sitate to agree to the, proposed estimates, particular-
ly when they refleaed that the Chancellor of the
Exchequer would come down t-o the Hopse in a
tew days for the purpose of proposing additional
taxes. He obje&ed to.the item of 5,0261. to the
Commissioners for examining General Delancey's
accounts.

Mr. WHARTON .'aisured his Hon. Frierid (Mr.
Huskisson) that the good custom of not attending
to all that was required by the Military Dipariment
still continued in the Treasury, and also that the
necessity for building barracks was gleater- no A: than
formerly. If he looked to the estimates on former
occasions of a similar nature, he would find they
were not less, and he had every reason to hope that
the expence in the present instance would be within
the estimate. It wac also proper to remark that the
barracks now building were not the same as the old
barracks in Kinz-street, where horses alone could bu

iccbrnmoAateJ, the men being obliged to beelistri-
bated in various parts of the town, He did not
think the Barracks at Bristol could be estimated at
less than slily thousand pounds, in order ,to accora-
modate the treope which -would be necessary to
watch over the French prisoners. In like manner
the investigation Of General Delancey's' account
could not be cOridiraed at less expence, and was
likely to produce material benefit.
Mr. HusreisSoleXplained,
The CHANCELLOR of the Exetteattrae said, that
the barracks used•someyears ago were for infantry,
but these were intended for horse guards. The
Government having been ejeded from the barraCks '
of which they were in possession; were obliged to
grant to the lessor an additional rent ofgeol a year
additional, to give time for the building of new ones,
in which it,was thought right that both Man and
horse shoull be accommodated. He would appeal
to 'ad those who had witnessed the late disturbantes,
whether it was convenient that the horse should be
in one place, and the men in the other. The Hon.
Gentleman imagined that it would be a work of bad
taste, but he could assure him !hit he was not Con-
scious of any unnecesary expence. With respell
to the barracks at Bristol, it would be hard to ascer-
tain what sort of building it should be which was to
last during the war,, it that was a principle of limit,
ation which the House Would be inehiled to adopt.
If a barrack was to be built there, considering the
extent and population of the town, considering also
the accommodation it ,weld afford to the military
pasting to and from Ireland, he thought it should
not be built upon any parsimonious scale. The mo-
ney which was thrown away under this denominas
lion of expendittire, was chiefly applied. to the pur-,
chase of temporary barracks, which were now un-
der repair. As to Liverpool, it was considered to
be a great inconvenience that there should be no
bat rack there, and as to the expedient of hiring the
earehouses for that purpose, he hardly thought that
Government would be justified in taking advantage,
as it were, of the temporary suspensiOn" of trade in
that place.
Mr. WHITBREAD said that the Right Honourable.
Gentlemen appeared to him- to have adopted errone-
ous views on the stabled, when he thought of such
little conseaeuence to separate the soldiers from the
people, mid to be surprised at any objeaion to a
grant for that purpose. The Right Honourable
Gentleman .had not argued that general question ;
'the time wes gone by„ but he would declare it as his
sentiment, that he was extremely jealous, and he
was sure the country at large was jealous of that
separating.system. It hadlbeen said,' that great ad-
vantage,wA likely to bp derived from the labours
of the Commissioners appointed to audit General
Delaucey's accounts. Perhaps, at the end of four
or five years, if the Country should exist so long
under such .financiers, that advantage would .greatlyL
increase with the praaiCei which rendered it neces-
sary. But whence did this advantage arise ? what ,
was the necessity
-under which thiS boasted saving
was made ? 'The want of care in the controuling
power. Toe negligence and mismanagement of
those who, by prober application, ought to have
prevented the occurrence of cols, instead of leaving
es to be obliged to the Commissioners for the as-
certainment of their extent. It was expected that if
the Corn,eissioners, proceeded, many other defalca-
tions would appear. To him ibis was not consoling.
The Honourable Gentleman below him (we Under-
stood him to allude to Mr. Huskissoe), had stated
once that the Chancellor of the Eichequer was the
vietim of the dela irtments, and the public were
given to understand that ,the Right Honourable Gen-
tleman had,left the Treasury through disgest at the
want of a sufficient controul. Bet did the Right
Honourable Gentleman (the Chancellor of tie Ex-
chequer) think that he wanted a military controul
over the people of this country? Even at the end
,of the wari which the "Right Honourable Ge.ntleman
seemed to think would last long;-and while, he was
sure would last as long as the career of the Right Ho-
noerable Gentleman, would it be necessary for us
to look forward toThe prosped of Overawing them ?
We's this a principle to be maintained ? Did any
One ever hear a Minister coolly assert it ? 'But the
Right Honourable Gentleman disapproved of the
idea of applying any of the- warehouses of Lit erpool
to the pet-pose of accommodating the military. He
who bad made the loom useless, and the warehouSe
idle,. who had spread starvation and discontent, had
disapproved of that which appeared to him a natural
course of proceeding—that of filling the warehouses
with soldiers for the purpose of controuling the
people under the inflictions which he had brought
on them and on the country. But it had been
said that there were French prisoners -at Bristel.
He would answer, so there had for the last twenty
yeaes. But even if the Right Hon. Gentleman
had been endeavouring to make the expence come
up to an hundred millions, did he think, or could-
he think, that for three years 'more the country
could go on as it was now going ? If things pro-
ceeded as they were proceeding at present, if ex-
peaces continued to accumulate, and means to di-
minish, they must look for relief to a peace with
the enemy, a peace which his tiLeasures had render-
ed unavoidable. In the transactions of past years
he saw many weal and glorious opportunities of
ending this war neglected and lest,while, at present,
the system of the Right Hon. Gentleman was cal-
culated to produce the necessity of peace by sub-
mission.—But why was it necessary that the hOrse
and the soldier should be more together now than
at any other time ? D:d any reason exist now that
did not exist before, why the soldier and the general
population of the country should be kept apart, or
why barracks, which lie had always regarded incon-
formity with the opinions of the most constitutional
authorities, as fortresses for controuling the king-
dom, should be multiplied and enlarged ? As to
the policy of it, merely with regard to the soldier,
he understood that when the men were on service,
those who came from reguttr barracks were not so
healthful as othets, so that even military purposes
were-our likely to be served by it. One of.the most
lavish expellees under this head was incurred by the
po,eaase of old houses at Clifton, in a ruined state,
without a window ; but now we were going
_back
to Bristol again to guard the French prisoners.—
Would to God (exclaimed_ Mr. Whitbread) sthat
they were all out of this country, whether we con-
tinue at war or not He concluded with repeating
his determinatiop to vote against the Resolution:,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that
the Hon. Gentleman must be positive indeed upon
the subjea, and confirmed in the opinion he had

formed, when he thought it right not only to cen.
sure the conduet of
_his Majesty's. Government, but
to vote against the Resolutions before the Como
tnittee.

Mr. WHiTaaaAb, in explanation, stated that his
objedion went only to the grant for building bar-
racks.

The Cat sarscSetott of the EXCIIEQUER proceed-
ed to observe, that to refuse it without knowitee
whether the soldiers could be otherwise aceommoa
dated, might be produCtive of Much inCorivenience.
He supposed, however, that by the debating strain
which the Horn Gentleman had thought proper to
adopt, and the topics to which he had resorted, has
expected to do much towards tranquilizing the
euuntry. When he brought forward his argumenisi
attributing the starvation he described to the nits-
.conduti of Government, did he really think there
was any thing in their tnanner of conducting the
war against France, which ope►ated to produce the
scarcity at Liverpool ? Did he' think there was any
chips in it to call down the vengeance of Providence
on our heads, and provoke hire's to deny the harvest
.to our hopes If not; how could the Honourable
Gentleman ,shut his eyes. to what every- man could
see but himself; arrd resort to those imputations,
which no than wh'o was acquainted with the subject
could hesitate to reject? He would own that in some
inflammatorypublications he had met withsome topics
to which the Hon. Gent. had alluded; but he did not
expert that any Member could be found who would
come to that House for the purpose of making such
statements. The Hon. Gent. had spoken -ofgolden
opportunities for making peace, which Ministect
had negleCted ; but he did not say, he could not
say, whether one of those opportunities presented
itself now; and if no such opportunity existed,
where was the policy in asserting. that there was tin
'salvatiOn• for the country, but in peace ? It would-
be impossible for him to say so much against• the
peace he recommended, as by saying that we were
unable to go on with the war. The Hon. Gentle-
man had always before said, that he would not ac-
cept of peace but upon' honourable terms. If then
peace could not be obtained on honourable terms,
there was, according to the Hon. Gentleman's own
feelings, and the feelings of the country, but one al,
ternative. Why then should the Hon. gentleman
give the sanetton of his authority to the opinion,.
that the war could not' be cenduCted, and that we
were only to look for consolation to the event of
the enemy granting us peace ? Nothing could
he more iini.roper, nothing more unjust, no-
thing more dangerous to the security of the
country, or more calculated to inflame the minds of
the people under .the present high price of provie
skins, than flinging nut opinions of this sort to the
disadvantage of the, great contest in which we were
engaged. He would'maintain, and he thought the
Hooourable Gentleman might have been included
amongst the number of those who would insist
upon the same dodrine, that if we could not obtain
peace (Ton honourable terms, we must maintain
the war at all hazards, and under all ciicumwances,
and to the last extremity. As to what has been
said of his (the Chancellor of the Exchequer's) in•
tention to keep the people dOwn by a nail Lary force,
when-he bad drivel! them to madness by his po-
licy, hewould ask, where was the proot ?-10 that
candour of mind, in which he hoped-the Henoeee
able Gentleman was not deficient, he might have
acknowledged, for he must have known, that it•
was at least a matter of set ious doubt, whether
all the difficulties experienced in our trade, would
not have been aggravated if they we►e not met by
the Orders in Conned. In two years after the,
adoption of those Orders, this fact was demonstrat-
ed by an increase of our trade: Yet the Honour-
'able Gentleman went on with his old proof, or rather
with his old .statement, in defiance of this striking
fact, and insisted that our sufferings were treat" owing
to the Decrees of the enemy, but to our own Or-
ders in Council.. It this was logic, he was sure it
Was not a Jogic which the Honourable Gentleman
would apply to any other subject ; this confusion of
cause and effe&, this anticipation of consequence
over the means which produced it, could, in no other
than a poljtical case, have warped the clear mind of
the Hou. Gentleman. But if he was right in sup-
posing that the effeas which preceded the Decrees
were not to be ascribed to it, how was it fair to re-
present them as the act of our own Government ?
Was this his wisdom, was this his policy, was
this his patriotism) The'reasoning of time Hon.
Gentleman would go to turn all the resentment
not against the enemy, but against the Governmen:;
and that too at a time when we were engaged its
war with an enemy who, if the Hon. Gentleman.
was not aware, intended our destrution, he must
be ignorant of what is known to every body else.
From this'country he had tnet with lass most effec-
tual check in the pursuit of his boundless ambition,
and in his progress to universal empire, and universal
tyranny, his certain disappointment. If the Hon.
Gentleman did not see this, and he trusted in God
that he did not, when he called upon the country
-notjo look to Buonapaite and to France, but to its
own Government, with indignation, and ascribed
,the inflictions of Providence to them alone e if he
did not see this, but could make such statements
with a convielion that he was doing right, 'he was
sure that such sentiments would meet with little
sympathy and little suppot t.

Mr. WiirriitEAp rose, evidently in great agita^
tion; and-began by declaring, .that if it was not in
that House, he would ask the warmest friend, or
the loudest cheerer of the Right Hon. Gentleman,
whether the whole of his speech was not a gross
misrepresentation O---The Right Hon. Gentleman
was mistaken; if he supposed that he obtained.a
victory over him. No;, it was a victory ovet his
own invention. The House orCorumn:4s was a fine
place—the Constitution of England was a great
thing,--every thing was to be admired, respected,:
and supported, when an adventurer from the Bar
was raised by his talent for debate to a great situ-
ation, but a great situation which nobody but him-
self could have accepted under the circumstances.

The CHANCELLOR.Of Ibe\EXCHEGIJER here signi-
fied his dissent from the statement. that nobody
would hat e accepttul the situation but himself.
Mr. WHITBREAD repeated the statement, main-
tained the truth of it, and adtled, " If you doubt
me, I refer You for information to a letter signed
Spencer Perceval."
[Loud cries of Order from all parts of the House
followed this expression, and Mr. Whitbread ata
tempted for some time in vain to be heard].
Mr. YORKE then rose to order, but- the tucluilt

prevented him from being heard when he first m;e..
As soon as it subsided; he proceeded to state, " that
he had called the Hon. Gent. to order upon the ground
o its I,avlig abused his privilege as a Member of
Parliament, by entering into a gross personal attack
li:,(41 his Right Hon. friend, by coupling the worth
adventtrer .at the bar with his name, in violation of
alt Pirliomentary decorum."
[Tit, noise: was again renewed upon both sides of
the Home, . and Mr. Ponsonby rose to call Mr.
Yorke to order. Mr. 'Yorke and Mr. Ponsonby
being now both on their" legs, the cries of Order,
! Chair, chair T. Mr. Ponsonby to order, and
Mr. Yorke to order, was called loudly from side to
side, ~nd Mr. Lusbington, the Chairman, attempted
in vain to gite his opinion to. the Committee. The
Chancellor of the Exchequer next attempted tospeak,
but we could not ascertain which of the Hon. Mem-
berS he intended to call to order. We observed
that the Chairman, Mr. Yorke, Mr. PonsonbYrand
the Chancellor of the Exchequer were all at the
same moment upon their legs, endeavouring to be
heard, While the name of eack was vehemently
c lied out from different parts of the House.—At
length silence was restored, and Mr. Ponsonby per-
mitted to speak to order.]

Mr. PONSONBT stated, that he had called the
Right -Hon. Gentleman to, older, upon the ground
. that he had begun to speak to the general question,
instead of confining himself to the point of order on
which he rose. Such
.Was his reason for thinking
the Right Hon. Gentleman out of order, and he was
happy to see that he spoke in the presence of a great
authority (the Speaker) who could correa him if'he
was wrong. .
Mr. LUSHINGTON said, if he had been perm:tted
to speak, the ob.sertation he was about to make,
would, be was sure, be within the yule; and prac-
tice, of the ,Hoese. Perhaps he was not deemed,
worthy of deliseteng an opinion on a point of order.
It had been telerred to him to know whether the
mention of the name of a Member was disorderly',
end he had no hesitation, now that be could be
Beard, to pronounce it as being in his opinion highly
irregular.
Mr. WHITBREAD said, that in the beat, which -
.be wotAd acknowledge he did feel, he had used the
,t•orct a'venturer, coupled with the name of trio
Hon. Gentleman ; but he did not intend by
it disreSpea. He might himself be called ad
adventurer, though he yv,as not so successful an one
as the Right Hon.-Gentleman had been. This he
hoped would be considefeci a sufficient explanation.
lour to
_resume the thread of his argument, if he
'could resume it after such interruption, he would
ask, why, after rising by his success in debate to a
shuation in which he was identified with the Go-
yrrnment, should the Right Hon. Gentleman say to
those who disapproved of his measures, that they
were favourable to the enemy ? Why should he
hold them up, as he held him up, to the odium of
.beving said, that the people. of England should
not oprose the Emperor of France, but their own
Government ? So long as the -House of , Com-
mons existed not. at the point- of 'the, bayonet,
hut in the possession_ of its own privileges, so
long should he speak the truth, oolong should
he disdain the practice of any gross delusion
upon the people, whose eyes lee ought to open,
acd whose condition .he ought to explain. But
he was asked, if the Berlin Decrees bCd not
existed before the Orders- in Council ? He knew
that the commercial measures of France were the
same as in the time of Mr. Pitt, but that- by the
wisdom with which he met them, or rather let them
alone,- that evil had .been avoided into which our
meddling bad since precipitated us. , He had been
.cle-rged 'with ascribing the visitations of Providence,:
to Ministers, but that he did pot do:, The suffer-
ings of -the thousands of manufacturers, however,
Who were without work, and of the others, who
were obliged to work at reduced prices, he did ascribe
to them. But this was inflammatory language.-Was
it out math ? Did not the people 'feel it ? Was.he
inforining the. hungry man that he had no bread ?,
Would the provisions be so dear,, or the manufac-
t rersso degtitute, but for theinterruptiOn of com-
mercial intercourse ? Tee %Right Lion. Gentleman
Lid checked the wisdom of the Orders in Council,
btit did the people do so ? Look to the petitions from
all quarters, 'ascribing the present
,calamities to this
mrastire, of which be was so fond by adoption. But
toe Hon. Geetletnan bad accused him of .recom-
n ending this count ty to stoop at the feet of France. -
D d Ire say so i Toese were periods, lie would again
etiirme -whet) peace might. have been made, and
when it was negleaed. Weuld the Right Hon.
Gentleman go through the history on this point ?
‘Vculd he look to the, time when Buonaparte
was unkno.A n, or to the time when his power was
yet but dawning ; or to the time when he was made
Consul, or at last, when lee becathe Emperor of the
Ere to h, and then would he deny that .peace could
not have been had at any of those junctures, more
elSily, than at this moment ? Ir had been sail, that
we' were his only opponents in his progress to'uni-
Versa! d minion--brit why were we his opionentS ?
-Beeeu e the phlicy of England bad made him-known
—because the vo!icy . of England
_had avde him -a
Consul and ap Etnylor, and destroyed all thecoun-
tries of Eprope, tieeugh a phantasmagoria now and
-then Matle its appearance on the Continent, and.
pessed rapidly away, It was but a short time ago,
that Prussia was said to be at war with France. Yet
in a few.mails after, she was.described is, having fur-
nishvd her contingent against the only power now
c,:panle. of resisting Buonapal te.. He wotild uot ask,
L4l:;land to prostrate' herself to. France,;.. but be
cold ask of her not to prostrate .herself
.to the
lltght Her. Gentleman.—After some further obser-
eationsu idusttateve of the necessity of retrench-
r'ent, in Order to enable us to continue the war, he
concluded, with expressing his sorrow, if he was be-
.tr eyed by the-warmth of debate into any unbecom4.
irg cxeressions.
'rile CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER expressed
Coovicuon that all unpleasant feelings must be
rymeeVed by a hat hatt, fallen from the Honourable
(seer [tenet). He (• he Chancellor of the Exchequer)
stated that the Hon. Gentleman . was.desi-
to6i to prostratC the country to the enemy,: but he
stated his sot prise that be who was so jealous of
us ,any such Iceling should hold out to the people
the &toe:titre of the impossibility of continuing
the. war, at a rime when he did not .Isene.V there
w a, orporttmity for Making peace. With -re-

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bread),., he entirely e;rrel with lr in, notwittelatel-
ing the Honourable at d Learned Gentletean had
been pleased to recorrimeed his Hon. Frier`! to give
his aseisance to the compiler of Moore's Almanack.
What evert" the proofs of national prosperity, or of
notional adversity ? Was it proof of the former, that
when, two 'years ago, the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer raised a loan, the 3 per cents. were taken
at er? Was it a proof of prosperity that last year
they were on the same occasion at be, and wes it
a proof of prosperity that in the present year, when
he proposes a loan, they should not be higher than
Te? l'he Hon. and Learned- Gentleman, when
talking of the Orders in Council, spoke of them
with a sort -of paternal warmth, .but his Honourable
• frier d had never charged the Oiders in Loutetcit as,
. being the occasion 6f a bad harvest. He had said
that the effect of the war was to place .our fo-
reign relations in such a state, thatio the event of
a dearth in this country, we could tiot. go
.to any
ports on the Contieent to find relief. Was not the
stare. of our relations' with America stetted most
materially by these Orders ? .Was the authority of
America a good authority, when she demands, as
the price of a restoration to a good understanding,
the-repeal of 'these Orders ? The Right Honourable
Gentleman then went to the mote immediate ques-
tion before the Meuse, which was, whether the
immense sum' of. 132,0001. was necessary to be
voted (or the maintenance in barracks of 350 men
and horses, or • whether it was expedient, under the'
present circumstances of the country, to compel the
Adminiv ration to go on with a limited scale ..of ex-
penditure fee Some- years ? What was the .•state of
expenditure ? Every year it increased.. When the
Hon. Gentleman who had spoken lately (Mr. Hess
kisser)) filled the office of Secretors e the sxptiditure
was t s enty-are millions more than the j; receding
years, and this year the excess would be thirty reel'-
. lions. Was his Hon. Friend to be blamed for de-
siring the Heuse not to Increase the bun hens of lb.
country ? What etre& were these cavalry stables to
produce on the enemy ? w6uld,Buonaparte be terri
' tied into subjeetion by them,? would the troopers be•
betten disciplinedand become better soldiers b,cause
they !tartan expeesive stable for their horses ? With
respect to the circulation of inflammatory papers, to
which the Hon. Gentleman bad alluded, the Gen-
tlemen opposite would not circulate inflammatory
papers.—,(No; No.! from the Ministeritil side)—
" Oh no ! they will not issue any such papers.
The Church was never in danger, said Mr. P..; the
hand-bills haVe given great offence to. that Hon.
Gentleman ; but I have read other hand bills equal-
ly offensive, circulated'at Manchester ; has the Hon.
and Learned Gentle Man cast his eyes over any cf
these papers ?If he has, will he say that none of
these papers have a tendency to irritate—to inflame
the minds of the people ? Yet these papers are cir-
culated by persons who call themselves the friends
of Administration." As to the resolution for grant-
ing the sum for the barracks, he, scarcely thought
there was one man who wished to vote it, or
thought it prudent to increase the exnence of
building at the present moment, and he hoped in
that opinioa he should be found, on coming to a
vote, in a large majority.
Mr.-HuSeessoe deprecated the introduaion .of
great political questieus, such as those relating to
peace and- war, on the present occasion. lie con- .
cerred with the Right Hon. Gentleman in the ex-
pediency of restricting the public expentes, and
thought that further information was necessary to '
• enable the Committee to judge of the propriety of
the grant.. Nevertheless, if Qeutlemen were pre-
-pared to soy, that 4001. per annum, for the ex-
penses of a man and horse, was-not more, 'than
enough, theneol course, they woe' ' vote for the
grant.
Mr. WHARTON could not see an: p ssible good.
that could-result from the postponemeut.
Mr. ROSE was ready to maintain, that the Orders
in Council were not the cause of producing a greater
stare of distress in the country: They did not pre-
vent a supply ; on r the contrary-, they gave facility
to.the supply, in aid of people. - Grain prieci-
. pally came from the Baltic, andeeith the ports there;
the Orders in Council lead nothing to do. He was
fraid-, if.Gentlemen_were.sanguine in the e.xpena-
tion of getting supplies from any pait of Europe,.
they would be disappointed.
Mr. WHITBREAD thclared that he had, in faking
a view of the state. of the country, merely adhered _
tiethe good old Parliamentary usage, %stitch allowed,
when the supplies were propoSed, to, enter into the
subject. He noticed an interview which .had taken
place between a deputation from Birmingham, and
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, at whichthellre.
sident of the Board of Controul- was present. • The
latter Gentleman had treated the deputation rather
in a light manner, for he.obseeved ilea England
and France stood like two men up to their necks in
the water, seeing which could stand the longest,
and tire the other Webs, maitre him drown.
Mr. ROSE complained that the 'Hon. Gentleman
had dealt unfairly by him in chergieg hint with act-
ing with levity to a respec:tab:e-body of men. He •
would appeal to the Member of the county who was
,preSent, whether the tad was as stated ie the news.
p ipets.
Mr. ALEXANDER BARING admitted that the ON
tiers in Council bad no immediate eflett on the scare
city, but they certainly had produced a general re-
striction upon the commerce of the country. At
the same time he agreed that France had begun
the war upon our commerce. He sh uld vote
against the motion for granting the sum demanded.
'Mr. FULLER had understood that the, debate we:s
about Barrackss but how the Orders in Council
were lugged in, be knew• not. Since they were
.there, he might as Hell :key something about trade
—the West India Trade for instance. He under.:
stood that sugars fetched gs. per pound in France;
It so, why could not the West Indie.rderchaet hate
Some beeetit from suet) a trade ? IleGeoernment
would wave their Orders in Council, it might be
done. But it was all a cheat -what FranCe had,done.
She pretendtel to take sugars,. but they were Brazil .
sugars. However, he realty believed there was not
a West India. Merchant to mean its to wish -the
Orders repealed for the sake -of getting aefew
guineas.
Mr. C. 'Weetee wished for • further- inquiry :
could-not see tine necessity of voting so large a sum.
Mr. CALCRAVr -objected to the grant. The I
Btriack system had already 'cost thirteen milliees,

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'nation,
Mr. FnEEMANTLE was of the cotne•npir:on.
TIACtiAIsTCEL.LOR of the EtiCITEayER tbserved,
that the- Birracks would afford accommodation not
only for the horses, but for the Staff, and there
also' a ridiiig house to be inelosech the space of
ground wh:ch the whole establishthent.would cover,
would be about 27 aces.
,Another regiment mig!;t
also have room.

Lord FOLKESTONE, it:Might that these Barracks,
from what -the light Hon. Gentleman had it:A
stated, would in laz.:l be nothing less than a citadel
to overawe-the inhabitants 01 the the
same rn.tnner as thase intended to be built at Bii,tol
and Uvernool. • He wished to know whether the,.
Commander in (Thief was to itate a house in theses
Barracks

Mr'. Binnucrn opposed ilie grant for the re3son4
st3ted before, and a-1 e 1 ?t'i ether there waS to be
bui;t on t ht 3 Spl TIOW chose:: for Bdrracitsi a huasd- ~
for the Pripet. Regent ? '
The Corninittee•then divided—
For thjt Amen ?meilt
Fur the Grdht .
Majority
'A Resolution for granting the sum of 5 80001.
to anis . the repairs of Holyhead lia, hour, wan
then ,agreed to; after which the 'Hoare resum-
ed, and the seport was ordered to be received to-
morrow.

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On the mot;on of Mr. FIIBF.MAKTLE, the Esti-
maie.s for erv-iting' the Barracks in Any le-bend
Park, Liverpool, and Bristol ; together with he;
pl.ths of ihe reveaive buildings, were ordeled t9'bq
lardsbelo're thellowe. • .

tise mo'ion of Mr. CALCRAFT, an account 0r
the nuctitler, of B notes t ifinks England
ary.l ,c,rcnlai ion no 'll,- 4th on the
instant, distii,4Uiihtng
.11)0 and tile
notes under 51. was ordervd to be 161 before the
House.

0o .Mr. WaAaToN's appeaTinf ak the 133 r of the
House With the Report of tla: Gold Co SW, a
conversation, in witich Lord A liatni.to!,, the
Cliauce:lor of the Exchequer, Lord Foloone,il,:ii
Mr. Ponsonhy pariicipatcd, to* plakx,,ou the ex-
pediency of peitponing, a that late hour the c.,n;i-
deradon of • the RepOrt. Eventually the_ Report
was brought up, the Bill recommitted, a. new
clause introduced into the Bill by the; Chancellor of
Exchequer, and the Report ordered to n•ought up
to-morrow.

The 1w keepers Bill was read a third time, and
pas.ed,

;The BilFforprohibiting the Exportati::rrof
Spirits wea through a Cokainittec., Cte Reptirt of
which was ordered to be received to-rt►orrow.

The Irish Spirits Doty Bill, and the' Irish Tob3cco
Bill, were read a second time, and mitred to be
committed, the former on Wednesday, the latter_
to• morrow. . •

On the motion of Mr. W. POLE, it was ordered,
that the 'House should to-morrow resolve itself: into
a Committee, to consider 'of the Salaries and Al-
lowanees to persons • appointed Military. Commis:.-'
sioners in Irel4nd, as also to consider of the Sala-
ries' and AlloW.ances to the Auditors of 'Public ilc:-
counts in Ireland. -..4„...,,,,,j,„:,........... ~,.--,------------
The Committee on the West India Goods. Bill :.
having been instructed to divide the Bill in two,.the
Bill passed through the Committee, in .which-it was *.;
so divided; and the several. Reports were ordered to •':,
be brought up to-morrow. , .P
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The further .consideration of the Ileport of the
Embezzlement Bill was postponed to Thursday;
Mr. WHARTON obtained leave to bring in a Bill
to.alter the mode of paying the-Superatimition Al•
lowances in the department of the Customs .ia
Scotland, . .

On the motion of, Mr. WALLIS, the Papers print-
ed by order of the House in 1801, relittke ta the
Trade to the Ea,t Indies, were otderej to be re-
printed.
Adjourned at twelve. o'clock.

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The Rev. D. !:. (H..rlt, Dont:Mit; ,Chapl.dn to his Gnicc
the Duke ot -1 Cur.tte of St. Mat ybone, to' the Rec;
tory of I.lativikm, : pdtr,ii, Mrs. of Kc-
yezim;:hly, Claino.ganbintc. che key. W. G.
13 A. to the Reetory,of U ()well with the Chaperry- of Mil-
Deyli Norfolk; patron. (?. Townley, EFq. The '
It. Firich, NI. A. Rc•:.t,:- t Spettord Pa'Vzi, to the
of Sliefford Magna, Nor:,;;I::, ou the reignation of the key:
W.,Mar'shatl. The key. "t . W r:ght, licensed to the '
p‘ttual curacy of St. N;Loy, in Thetford pitron, the
,Duke
of Nortblk; and tti the l're..chership of the sain:: Church, ou •
thQ nomination of the Corporation of Thetford.

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•
-On TiluNdly, at Cambzrwell, Mr. George Robinson,.of
Pti:kett.proei, to Miss LliZabetti Atitie-t6ott, 6i- Clue. court, .
Drury-hat.;. ,
The some day, Mr. Thomas Co!',ingwood, of High 1-fol.
born, to Piliss IVaitet doughtet of it lohn Waitc. Abing.
dou, 13erks. • . .
On Saturday last, at St. James's 'Church, lohu Harper,.
F.sq of lid. 'are-road, to Mss hliz...)etti it....:ynell, ii:,_a:•.;"ut
Dr. Itobcrt flouper, of Saville-tuty: