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London, England, 1823-02-27 00:00:00

PA I AM E NT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, FEB. tfi.
Mr. SPICeR,, from Chelsea Hospital, presented in Account
of Unclaimed Army Prize Money.
Mr. IRtrixo, from.the Court of Chancery (Ireland), present.
ed Copies of Legal Proceedings.
The Bishop of EXETER moved an Address to his Majesty
for the Seventh and Eighth Reports of the Commissioners ap-
pointed to enquire into Public Education—Ordered..
. The Marquis of CAMDEN preseneul a petition from the
Rankers and Traders of Bath, against the Insolvent Debtors'
Act. -

MAR RIAtE ACT.
The Marquis of CAMDEN presented petitions from the
Parishes of iValeot, St. Paul, St. Michael, and St. James, in
the City of Bath, for the Repeal of the Marriage Act. Ile
adverted to the hurried. manner in which the old law of Mar.
riage was repealed last Session, and observed that a Bill pass-
ed under such circumstances was likely, to produce all the
inconvenience which had ensued. The petttions were se-
t erally read, and referred to the Committee on the Marriage
Laws.

HOUSE AND WINDOW TAXES.
The,Marquis.of CAMDEN also resented a petition from
the Parish of St. James, Bath, praying for the repeal of the
House and Window Tax. The Noble Marquis observed,
that the intended reduction in taxation would operate as a be..
neilt, but still the House and Window Taxes pressed heavy on
a large portion of the population. Country Gentlemen, who
had houses with many windows, complained most of those
taxes. They still expected a repeal of the House and Window
Duties.

The Earl of LIVERPOOL wished to say a few words on
the subject. Ms Majesty's Government had consented to re-
duce the House and Window Taxes ; they felt that taking ott
the whole of the Assexed Taxes would produce the most cer-
tain relief; but:, on due consideration, tt was found advisable
to reduce some of the most objectionable taxes, rather than
get rid of the Assessed Taxes altogether. They found it more
just,to the Public to throw off' part or the Window Tax, and
repeal Taxes on Horses and Carriages used in Husbandry, re-
aler than get rid of the Window Tax in Coto. With respect
to the tunnies of Country Gentlemen, the relief given would
apply to the establishments of all persons, and in some in-
stances, where the tax could not be considered a tax on lux-
ury, it was repealed. His Majesty's Government had thought
it fair to divide the reduction between windows and other arti-
des which ought to be the first released from taxation.
The petition was read and laid on, the table.
110? DUTY..

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The Marquis of CAMDEN then presented petitions from
Newingden, Limberiturst, and otivt parishes in Kent, praying
for repeal of the duties on Hops. The Noble Marquis said,'
the petitioners were numerous and respectable. It appeared
from their statement that the growth of hops and induced a
great number of persons to inhabit the diftbrent parishes,
where in consequence of leis than average corps, much distress
was felt. The Noble Marquis added, that it was an opinion
among flop-growers that it would be a relief to them to take
off the duty. •
The Lail of LIVER POO I. said, his Noble Friend was
posed to afford relief to disqessed districts, but with respect to
the repeal of the tax, much diflieulty interfered. There were
persons who did'not wish the tax taken off. The fact was, of
all articles relating to agriculture, hops were the most open to
speculation. It had been carried to great extent, and the
growers were suffering under it. The Noble Earl was', how-
ever, quite sure that his lion. Friend, feeling for the distresses
of particular districts, was disposed to do all that could-be done
to afford relief.

The petitions were read and laid on the table.
The Earl of ROSEBERRY presented a petition from
Market beeping, against the Insolvent Debtors's Act.
The West India and American Colonies Trade Bill was read
the second time. '

The lademnity Bill went through a Committee.
Marriage .Solemnization Clauses Repeal Bill also wens
through a Committee, and wa reported._Adjo►irned.

ROUSE- OF COMMONS.
Several Public Accounts-were presented at the Aar, and'pr.
dered to lie on the table.
Petitions• were presented, against the Insolvent Act from
Macclesfield, Warwick, Dudley, Market Dee Ping; Cocker-
mouth, and Selby and were ordered to lie on the table:
Whin-MT:4 AND MEASURES,
Sir GEORGE CLERK. moved for leave to bring In a Bill
for regulating Weights and hidasiarea. The Bill, he said, had
been prepared on the principle adopted by the Committee ap-
pointed to inquire into this subject. No alteration as to stan&
and weight or measure was intended. The object of the Bill
was principally• to regulate contracts and dealings. With this
view it would be enacted, that ull contracts and dealings should
be.understood to relate to the standard weight and measure,
unless the contracting patties should expressly stipulate
othel'wise.

After a feW worcls.frorn Mr. MAXWELL, in support of the
motion, leave was given.
USURY LAWS.
31r. Serjeant ONSLOW postponed his motion on this sub-
ject, from the loth to the 22d of March.
Mr. CAMPBELL presented a petition from Argyleshire
against the Barilla Duties.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. O'GRADY' presented a petition from the Coroners' of
Limerick against the Irish Coroners' Bill.—Ordered to lie on
the table. "

RATES.
Mr. CIIETW YNDCO moved for a Return of the different
sums received within the last sevt:n years for County Rates, to.
gether with the mode in which the same has been applied. The
County Itatesi he said, were paid entirely by Agmulturists,
though An the inhebitants of each county derived the benefit of
them.—Ordercd,
Sid GEORGE CLERK brought in a Bill for regulating
Weights and Measures.—Read a first time, and ordered to be
read a second time on Monday next.
SUPPLY.
The Order of the Day for the House going into a Committee
of Supply and of Ways and Means was postponed to Friday
next.

The Annual . Duties Bill was read a second time, and com-
mitted for to-morrow:
The Exchequer Bills Bill; and the Transfer of Aids Bill,
were also read, a second time, and committed for to-morrow.
IRISH' CHURCH RATES.
Mr. GOULBURN tneved•for leave to bring in a Bill to
alter the present mode of asseasing Church Rates and charging
First Fruits in Ireland. The, object of the Bill, the 'bight
Hon. Gentleman said, would be to relieve those who payed the
charges in question from the difficulty under which they now
laboured in consequence of the alteration in the value of money.
After, a few words from Sir Joitx NEWPOItT, and from
Mr. Gott!atm.( in explanation, leave was given to bring in
the Bill.

S URREY P IT.
Mr. DENISON presented a petition from the Freeholders
of the County of Surrey, convened, as he stated, by the High
Sheriff, in consequence of • a Requisition presented to hint
signed by three hundred Freeholders of the County. The pe-
tition itself was signed by five Preholders on the part of the
Meeting ; 'and although, technically, it could be considered only
es the petition of live subscribers, it was, in substance, the peti-
tion of the Aleeting. It had been moved by a Noble Friend of
his in the other House, and seconded by a gentleman who was in
every sense of the word one of a race he feared almost extinct
that of a country. gentleman residing upon his oven estate. There
were but six or seven dissentient hands held up against the.
petition.' It complained, in Strong lang..tiage, of the excessive
weight of taxation, tithes, and rates. It complained also of
the expellee of the Administration in its army, gliphanutcy, ant
present mode of collecting the revenue. It called upon the
House, in the Hilt place, for the most enspuiring retrenchment,
repot'
and a rep' of the taxes on malt, houstsi, and 'windows; the
latter he was happy, to know would be partially aecomplisioed
by the measures explained by the Right lion. the Chancellor
'of the ExcheqUer, in the 'luminous and able speech which he
hadtlelivered to the House on Friday night. The second part
of the prayer of the petition was Jro a Reform of that. House ;
the Petitioners complaining that a., majority within its walls
Was returned by comparatively a few individuals. .There was
one subject upon which the petition ,did not touch. lie al-
luded to the two direful ow:mitres tulopted by Parliament for
altering the currency in the. year 1797 and 18Iu, en'the pasa-
ing of the latter of these measures,' he thought,the standard
of value Ott& to have been raised t and that, had this been
'done, the arrangement would not only have been equitable,
but would have preventeckniich of the distress which had taken

place since the latter petiod. The opinions, however, of those
who had attended the Meeting in question, had been . much
misrepresented on this subject, and the Meeting huff had
been grossly
.calumniated. lie had, therefore, in defence of
his own opinions, to beg permission of the House to state what
he had himself, in substance, delivered bo the Meeting ; and
he made this request wish the, less difficulty, as it was not
often that he troubled the House. Something had been said
at the Meeting relative to an attack upon the Tithes and the
Funds ; and he. then (he was sure his Hon. Colleague would
bear him out in this) distinctly declared that, in his opinion,
the Clergyman had as good a right to his tithes, and the I?und.
holder to his dividend, as any Nobleman in the country had to
his estate.—(Bear, bear !)—Neither he nor his Constituents
were advocates for plunder or confiscation; they desired only
that the Agricultural Interest might not• be completely ruined;
that the country gentlemen might not be absolutely forced out
of their family mansions, hitherto the seats of comtort, charity,
and hospitality. They Sesiretta reform of that House ; not
the sort of reform which consisted of annual Parliaments, uni.
versa' aniline, and vote by hallot, but that which would give
to the people a constitutional check on the conduct of their Re.
presentatives.

Captain MABERLY said that, being one of the seven per.
sons who we in a minority at the meeting, he was anxious to
disclaim, in that House, the senftents contained in the Petition.
He did not agree with the Hon. Member that the earliamentary
measures respecting► the Currency had been the cause of the
distress complained of. He would' also notice a suggestion
which had been made at the meeting respecting the appropria.
tion of what were called Crown Lands, to a partial reduction
of the National Debt. This also he disapproved of. Most of the
lands in question were in the hands of those who had vested
interests in them ; but- even if this difficulty were removed,
be thought their value, compared with the National Debt, too
miffing to cause any perceptible difference in the public bur.
thens.

The' Petition wact then read, and on the question that
should lie on the table,

Mr. RICARDO said, he could not, for a moment, doubt the
sincerity of the sentiments uttered by his Honourable Friend,
who presented this Petition, with respect to the claims of the
public Creditor. He was satisfied that his other Honourable
Friend, 'who had seconded the amendment moved at the meet-
Mg in question, had had no desire to sanction any robbery upon
the creditor. He thought, however, that both his Honourable
Friends had been, on that occasion, extremely vague in the
charges which they had brought against the public creditor....
Much had been said about Equitable Adjustment ;" and
this too, in a way which would insinuate that the present ar-
rangement was not so. Now he also was far an equitable
adjustment—(liear, hear, hear 1)---and he °loggia that be-
fore he sat down he should convince even his lion. Friends,
that the Stockholder was not receiving at this moment more
" than his due. From the way in which many persons talked on
this subject, one would really be led to imagine that the whole
of the National Debt had been contracted irr a depreciated
currency.—(Hear, hear I)—.But how stood the. fact? Taking.
the National Debt at present to lie 000 millions, it would ap-
pear, by easy reference tit the national accounts, that 400 mil-
lions of this had been contracted before there was any depre-
ciation at all ; and 100 millions Were at least when the cur-
rency was very slightly depreciated. Now for the whole of
the period during which the eurtency was greatly depreciated
the interest on this debt bad been paid in depreciated paper.
(_Hear ll—This had continued for upwards of twenty years.
The fact to which he referred was clearly demonstrated by
the tables published by Mr. Musket, of the Mint. Brittle
depreciation the fundholders lost twenty-seven millions prin.
cipal money ; and this with compound interest calculated up
to the restoration of the currency, could not be taken at less
than forty millions. On the other side, was to be considered
the advantage 'gained by the public creditor, in consequence
of his receiving, in restored currency, interest upon the 404/
millions of the debt which had been contracted in a depre.
ciated currency. Upon this pine of the subject Mr. Mushet's
Tables were demonstratiou itself, He had taken the amOunt
of each loan contracted within this period, compared with the
price of gold, and had formed** calculations accordingly.
From these it appeared, that the gain to the fundholder on this
part of the debt, in consequence of his being paid his divi-
dend in a restored currency, was rather less than two mil-
lions a year ; in fact, it was about 1,900,0001. This then, was
the state of the case-..the fundholder in the first instance,
twit forty millions, and he now gained two millions a ear;y
and he needed not to inform the House, that forty millions
would have purchased a perpetual annuity of two millions.—
, (Hear, hear o—There certainly could be no doubt, that in
the intervals between the depreciation and the restoration of
the currency much injustice had taken place in the contracts
of individuals ; but the question was properly viewed, more
extensively, as one between the Public Debtor and the Public
Creditor. The opinion which he had formed on the exteut of
the depreciation had nothing whatever to do with this ques-
tion. The calculations he had mentioned, were made with re-
ference to the price of gold. He should be happy to 'hear any
answer which might be offered by any lion. Member against
Mr. IThishet's calculations. No man regretted More than him-
self, the alterations that had taken place respecting the cur-
rency. But he should like to be informed what degree of alte-
ration of the standard would be suggested by those who wished
to open the question again. When his Noble Friend (Lord
Folkestone) had proposed the fixing of a gold standard at
4/. Is. he (Mr. R. thought it was reasonable enough ; but as we
were so near the oh standard, he thought our adopting that was to
be preferred. The statements, however, which had been made
respecting the effect of the alteration, were really most extrava-
gant. Some calculated it at twenty per cent., others at 100,
and sonic at 300 per cent.—(A laugh.)—He could assure the
House there were not wanting those who confidently said the
taxes had been increased threefold, by the operation of our
gislative measures on the currency. If this, or any thing like
it, had been the fact, how would Ministers be enabled ttecorne
down to the •Ilouse, and describe the Revenue as increasing,
and commerce thriving He should not however go at large
into the old hacknied subject. He would just inform the
House what would have been the consequence had Parliament
not pasaed the last measure afibcting the Currency, lie had in
his'hand a statement made by an eminent Bank Director, who
bad been engaged in the affairs of the Bank for ninny years,
and whose opinions on those atileirs had always been such as
were acted upon bythe Bank. This Gentleman (Alt Turner,
we believe the lion. Member said), declared that 3lr. Peel's
Bill, so 4r as regarded the conduct of the Bank, had been
for the last two year's a dead letter: It had neither advanced
nor retarded cash payments, except as to ablaut twenty millions
of Exchequer Bills paid by government, winch had enabled
the Bank to buy an additional quantity of bullion of equal
amount.—(hear, hear, hear !)

Mr. DENISOI4,,,In explanation, said '
that:he had, in 1919,
stated to several of hi.a Parliamentary Primula that he thought
a gold standard of 41: Ss., or even 41. 195., would ,not have been
unreasonable. He had not stated his opinion to the Iltntse,
because he knew that no suggestion was likely to be attended
to which came from his side of the House.

Lord FOLKESTONE could not see the analogy of the
cases put by his 'lon. Friend (Mr. Ricardo): 'His Hon. Friend
had Spoken of the phenomena of anincreaming revenue and a
thriving . commerce; but he (Lord k.
.) had been Informed by
men extensively engaged in mercantile pursuits, that corn.
mercy was actually in a state of depression. He way the more
induced to think this was the fact, from, the circumstance of
an Hon: Member for London having, on a former evening, re.
grafted that taxes had not been takenoffto relieve the shipping
interest. With regard to the restoration of the currency, it was
in the recollection of the House, that in the year 1819 he
(Lord F.) proposed an alteration in the standard of about fi per
cent. ; and that his Hon. Friend had then confidently stated
that the alteration would not be more 'than 4 or 4i per cent.
His lion. Friend had since admitted that the alteration' went to
the extent of 10 per cent. Ile (Lord Folkestone) could not ha.
zard an opinion as to the extent of the alteration ; but he had
no doubt of its- being considerably more than 4 per cent.
When the paper and gold went together the paper alweyi keptdown the gold: Thus was evident femn • the severe measures
which had been passed, during the period of deprecietion,
against melting or exporting the coin. In the fernier ease the
punishment was loss of life; in the latter e punishment almost
as severe. His lion. Friend had mainly relied upon Alr.
Mushet's tables, but he (Lord thought
. that Gentleman
-
had: net taken a fair view of the questum• 31r. Maghet, he
believed, took his annineweinent of, the depreciation at 1797,
,but in point of feet, the depredation commenced' before then,
as early indeed es 1793. He thoughtful the data of Mr. Alushet
were erroneous. The depreciation, far instant*, was much,
greater than he had stated it to be; and he (Lord y.) thoughttoo he was wrong with regard to the extent or thea atteratton' oe.
casioned by the measure of 11111). lie !legged yartion of the
House for troubling them on so dry A subject--4near, hear t).....

but be had done so merely because he had' been referred to by
his Hon. Friend.-
Mr. WODEHOUSR rose amidst cries of " Question," and
it was some time before we could collect the nature of his re.
marks. We understood him to confine himself to directing the
attention a the House to the opinion of a Gentleman now no
more, Mr. Henry Thornton, who stated himself to be unfa-
vourable to the restoration of the ancient standard after it had
been depreciated for fifteen or twenty years.
Mr. 11001111, SUMNER said, it was undoubtedly true,
that the Hon: Gentleman who seconded the Amendthent at the
Surrey Meeting, had loudly discluinied any deeire to rob the
Funilholder. But, as he had recommended-what was called an
equitable adjuetnient, he (Mr. Sumner) thought, the Hon.
Gentleman was bound to bring forward a specific measure on
the subject, lest his views should be misunderstood. Of the 300
persons who had signed the Requisition, he believed very few
attended the Meeting ; and those who did attend, went there
under a belief, that they were to discues only the question of
Agricultural Distress. For his own part, he did not believe it
was lit the power of Parliament to devise a remedy for thatelis.
tress..—(Hear, hear !)—,The people, however, who attended
the Meeting, had been led away to the consideration of !mother
subject, onally irrelevant to that of Agricultural Distresseßeing
thus led away, they had introdueed matter into their petition,
of Which, did it not come from his Canetituents,htshould. ex-
press himself in very strong terms. It was state 4 that large
ietablishmeota were kept up, nut fur the benefit of the country,
but for the advantage of Members of that House. This he be•
lieyed to be untrue. As for the Reform in the Perliament for
which the petitioners prayed, he had no doubt it would aggra-
vate the evils complained of. Ile was glad to hear testimony
to the fact of his lion. Friend having expressed himself, at the
Meethrg, respecting Tithes soul the Funds, in the manner he
had; and it wets seareely neceitsary for him to say that in those
sentiments of his Hon. Friend he heartily concurred. lie re-
gretted that the petitioners had introduced into their petition a
principle which he could call nothing else than one of spoilt'.
non ; and he believed that he might, on behalf of 09 hendredtis
of the Freeholders of Surrey, disclaim that principle. A fair
hearing hid not been afforded to both sides at the Meeting in
question. An lion. Baronet who wished to oppose the amend-
ment seconded by the lion. Gentleman, could not obtain a
hearing; and a Noble Lord who wished also to speak against
it lied been grossly insulted. As for himself he must confess.
that he had received a much more favourable hearing than he
had expected.—(A laugh.)
Mr. BENNET said, the Requisition for the Nleeting in
question was not confined to the subject of Agricultural Dis.
treas. That of Parliamentary Reform had been particularly
mentioned ; and the Requisition itself was signed by thelieke
of Norfolk, Earl Onslotv, and many Gentlemen of the first re-
speetability in the county. Five had been delegated to sign
the petition on behalf' of the Meeting. Of these two were large
landowners, and two were merchants of the first eminence in
the country. They might therefore properly be considered as
representing the interests of the Meeting, which consisted of
nearly 2000 persons, who assembled and continued together in
weather the most unfavourable he heti ever known. As to the
want of a fair hearing, to which the, Hrin, Member hid alluded,
the Hon. Member knew very well that, .eVett iv that House, an
indisposition was often ehewn to.' heat- those who were not
liked 4 and the lion. Gentleman also' knew that he generally
met with loud disapprobation at every meeting of the county
which he attended. With regard to the supposed duty which
the lion, Member thought he (Mr. Bennet) hail to perform,
to bring forward a epecitic measure respecting the Currency,
he had to remind that. lion. Gentleman that he (Mr. B.) had on.,
the, very first day of the Session given notice on behalf of his
Hon. kriend, the member for Essex, of such a motion ; and it
was nothing but indisposition which prevented his Hon. Friend
from attending itehie place, and following up the notice. No
man being more convinced than his Hon. Friend of the abso.
lute necessity that Parliament should turn its attention to this
important subject. He should not go over all the topic's
touched upon by his lion. Friend (Mr. Ricardo) betamee he
thought they did not tome within the question immediately be-
fore the House. lie could not, however, forbear expressing
his astonishment' that his lion. Friend had asserted that the
changes in the Currency lied had little or no influence upon
the distressed state of the country. It was impossible to be.
lieve this, seeing that more transactions took place upon credit
in this country than in any other. It was his Hon. Friend who,
with. his great authority, had led the House to believe, that
the difference to be occasioned by the last measure, would
be only 44 per cent. lie trusted his Honourable Friend, now
that he had admitted it to be 10 per cent. repented of the ad-
vice he had given to the House. Even upon his Honourable
Friend's own admission, this was a Tax of 10 per Cent. upon
all who paid taxes, and an equal advantage to thew who re-
ceived them. Was it possible to supposeethe House would
.have lent themselves to this, had they foreseen the conic.
.quences ? He did not foresee diem. They went,on ignorantly
and confidently, as they, in their great wiedoni; did in the year
1011 ; when, upon the same subject, they virtually declared'
things unequal in themselves to be equal to each other. By
that and similar measures, they had, stripped Lord Kingof his
property. And when this was doing, did the lion. Member
then talk of' spoliation and confiscation ? Did he do this when
the House had ordered a debt of 20s. to be considered WI satis-
fied by a payment of 14 ? Parliament, sooner or later, would
find it nweseary to reeise its measures. Conimittee after Come
unitee had been appointed on the subject of Agricultural Dis-
tress, but not one to consider the effect of our measures re.
specting the currency. His full and firm conviction was, that.
there would not be one county meeting at which this subject
would not be taken up ; though those that balk it op might be
branded as persons advocating spoliation. He felt confident
that he should be able to prove the substantial justice of the
case to be with the Petitioners, notwithstanding the Tables of
Mr. Mushet ; and he repeated his conviction that Parliament
would find itself forced to give its most serious attention to the
subject.
Mr. Seceetary PEEL said, that if he were influenced by the
'choler which had appeared in the latter part of the lion. Gen-
demanet speech, he should enter at lame into the qiiestion of
the currency ; although the Hon. Gentleman, in a for Mer part
of his speech, had said he tliought the subject not imme-
diately within the question before the House. He. Mr.
Peel) Should- not now go fully into that 'question. Ile rin.
cipally rose to protest against the assumption that his si.
knee was an acquiescence in the opinions _and doctrines of
the lion. Member for Shrewsbury. Ile could not allow him-
self to enter into the discussion of so momentous a suleject in
a partial way, when the whole qttestion was pending. It wee
impossible by such partial notices to do justice to such a sub-
ject, and therefoie the best way was to abstain until the. proper
time arrived. He would, however, go as far as' to observe,
that he could not at all understand how it could ever be sup-
posed, looking at the state in which the currency had been tor
many years preceeding 1019. so great a change could be -effect•
ed without the; infliction of a temporary) partial pressure.—
(Hear, hear !)—He should therefore consider it no argument
against that measure, that such' ternperaey, partial pressure
had fellowed it. With regard to the question of.good faith, he.
would reserve the consideration of that topic for the die.
cus.sion on the general question. So fat,, however, as the
Fundholder was concerned, it was to be 'recollected that the,
debt. was contracted in a depreciated curr.ency. But it was
contracted at a time when an act • was enforced, stipulating
for the return to (Nell 'Payments on the return of peace.—
(Hear, hear,!)...-He wouldeadMit that it might be possible that
they should be mistaken
,a 4 to the amount of ' the tleprecia.
don; but the principle andequity of the measure must he al-
waye the same ; and what was just in 1810 and 1011, must
also be just in 1019. What then was the restitution. of an au-
thority to, which none could sooner bow, lie presumed, than the
Ilun. :11ember
.fbr Shrewsbit Ty—he meant cof illy, florner
(Hear! )--It was that at the'E.Xpiration of two years front its date,
not six months after the Peace, Cashpeyments should be re-
sumete.--(llearl)—What also were his doctrine* as to they quity
of the measure ? He' moeed that the Proutimeory Noteseof
the Hank meant that they Will pay in sterling cash to the amount
of the sum specified on the notes," It was obvioiet then, that it
was the intention of Parlianient, wheti Caah Pityments were
sasperaled,thatewhatever should be the intervening depreciation
it should not be deducted 'ftone the creditor. Newould. it under
these circumstances be fair, to deprive him of the ietitinited
amount, as proposed, of the depreceation. If Parliament Intel
not foreseen that there might be Nome alteretion in the-ulna of
the. currency in which the prthniseory note was to be paid, it
wooldtot-bevepestied this Resolution. He would abstain for
the present 'from sitying any wore, fortliee than that he still ,
entertained every one
,of the opinitine he had formerly' ex.
pressed when the subject wag 4gitate.a. Ire beggedtheelethiee
to suspend their opinions on the subject till a full tend fair die.
cueelon hail been ;Weeded upon it. • its the mean tune he would
appeal to the difference .fretite' mete of the, country' in 1823 to
what it was ua 1817, eotteitifiti abet:When called upon to pro.

tounee a final judgment upon the act in question,' the
IFtrtitje
would bear that difference in mind.—( Hear t)
Mr. Mt )NCK could not allow the discussion of thiequeatiett
to go-by without aninuulyerting on the tone of levity.ut tvttic i.
the Hon. Menthe,' fee Portarlinteten alluded to 'the effecteof
the state of the currency in 181 b. - He differed front the. Her.
Member ip the view taken by, him; lie thought that iheY
should be as scrupulous of doing injustice to the' pithlic'debtor
as to the public creditor. But they were about to "do him in.,
justice to perpetuity, and not • temporary, as declared by the
Right Hon. Secretary opposite. it should be renternberred,
that besides these two, there wax a third clash whom he might
call neutral—he meant, heirs at law, mortgagees; 'and tenants.
The very day after the Bill had passed, the verde efita#l' watt
enhanced and had continued to eise to the proeent nrctertent---,
the price of it was stationary, for that never could rise. So
depreciated had this article been, during the peritid liPepeeee
tibn, that he believed, for the first time in the history of the
world, en ounce of gold lied only been able to procure one
quarter of corn. Thus it was, that as creditor, the plehrte
debtor, and the others he had mentioned, r'eceiyed only s'x end
eight-pence in the pound, whilst as debtors they paid teenty
shillings in the pound, This fact was sufficient to spew the whole
nature and extent of the evil; and it was abselutely necesaary
to consider of somerremetly to be applied.
The petition was then read, and on the question that it be
printed,
Mr. RICARDO nattier* few oleservations in explitnatiOfeee
lie repelled the chitege-oi Noble Friend ( Lortl.Feilkestiitt:S),
that he had at one time represented that the effect- of the: bill
called Peel's Bill, was to alter 'mice% only five pee cent., and
then admitted it to the extent of ten per cent. When he talked
of five per cent. it was under the suppositien that the measure
would have been effected in the way specified in the Bill itself,
viz. by payments in bullion. On the contrary, however, it had
been done by means of sovereigns, which they were obliged to
have a bill in that Home to enable them to get rid of. He conld
not admit he had spoken with levity on the subject of the et r.
rency of 1810—he telt ar mech an any -man on this stibject
had only said that from 1816 to 1819 'there had been net 'change
in the currency at all.
Lord FOLKESTONE said, his Hon. Friend first denied,
and then, in his explanatioc, confessed that he had rePresented him correctly. lie said that he was rot discuseing the Bill that
had passed, but one which was in the imagination of his Iron.
Friend.

ORANGE SOCIET
Mr. BROUGHAM gavp notice, in behalf of a Noble Friend
then absent, that he would bring forward a motion relative to
Secret and Illegal Societies in Ireland on Tuesday next—,
(Hear I)
Mr. R. FITZGERALD concurred in the propriety of the
motion of which the House had just received notice; and iitve
notice himself of a motion on the subject of Uri-constitutional
Oaths in Ireland:

TECORN .''
Mr. W. WHITMO HRE C
rose, pursuaLAWS
nt to notice, to bring
forward his motion on the present state of the Corn Laws. It
was said by some that this discussion could create no god prate
tical result, but on the contrary lead to still gteater despond-
ency and misery ; others would say, that if an alteratitm wre.
necessary, the present was not the period for such
but neither objection appeared to him well-founded. With i&
spect to discussion' .he thought it useful, and likely to there!
much of the fear which row !,o generallyprevalled, The cause
of the agricultural distress was to be traced to the law regale!..
ing the price of corn ; and while that law continued, he felt he
should not be discharging his duty if be did not bring it uirler
the consideration of -the /louse. The present period, was
culiarly fitted to this discussion, because it was eminently
one with which all classes were knit together, and tio danger
could be expected front a collision of different interests. ?le
felt the difficulty under which he laboured, not only front the
vast magnitude of the question itself. ,He therefore begged
railer indulgence while he opened his views to their notice. 'the
main feature, the principle objection to the Corn Law vita, that
it involved a principle of fluctuation. Suppose a similar Law in
Holland--and he selected Holland, because it was, like Eno
land, an importing country suppose then a law in Helfand
which should exclude foreign corn unless the home article were
at a given
_price, and what would the result be ? Why, that ca-
pital would be diverted elsewhere ; at all events partially
that some portion of it would be expended no doubt in bringing
other portions of the soil into corn land—and if he could sap-
pose a sufficient extent of her territory were so occupied, then
more corn would be ffrOW n shun was required for her consurnp-
tion, and in the event of a few more than average eorps, the quan-
tity on hand would be more than could obtain demand. Vcritit
would the obvious effect of all this be? :To prevent supply and
demand prtrperly regulating eacteother, mid to mole a fall in
-price. This fall must produce distress to the fanner a dote-
rinration of the soil, and that further evil of freeing ;he poor
lands' out of corn tillage; and the next effett, a deficiency of
fliture huPply. The people hence would .autfer from super.
Abundance or deficiency. England was placed in a similar si-
tuation as Holland. England was an iniporting country, be.
cause she found it cheaper to import than to grow ; and every
year's increase of v..ealth and population would continue to keep
her so. About the year 1015 the crop Was good, am! about the
tame period a re-action commenced, when that ineasure'«of
which he now complained was passed into a law. Looking at
the price of corn—.

It was in 1817 - 2.4 shilling*

• 1818. - 94 ;
But in 1819 there was a considerable alteration
in the price. In 1820 we had perhaps the largest crony ever
known; and in 1821 a large cmp, though not so good in ipidiitv
as that of the year before. Why rnentiori this, but to sties, the
principle of fluctuation to which he had before alluded ? lie was
free to confess, that in his view we had arrived at the pffliod
the lowest price. Consumption ipereased in consequence. Alt
the corn now get into the miller's bands, and the farmers had
much less stoCk (corn) then they should have at this seasen of
the year.—(lfere the Hon. Member peoceeded to read Koine
extracts from a letter of 4r. Cropper, an eminent Liverpool
merchant, with a view to whew that in the writer's opinion
consumption was outstripping the growth of corn.) This
consumption was caused by low prices ; and the people
now used only the best flour, where formerly they were seri!•
filed with much humbler fore. 'Lie crop of 1820 wax large—
of 1891 good—of 1822 not quite ten Average crop. But for this
consumption the, trap of 1820 would have left a surplus so
cover It deficiency in a year of failure. Hut we were not only
thus erroneously going on, but we were sending corn away ;
wheat went to the tinned States, ur.d in case ofa small crop,
whence were aeto he supplied ? In, common tiines thewenust.
tors might be left to settle themselves ; but the present were
any thing rather than coninnin times. He had also veritnie
other communications on this subject from various ..other plata
of the country, with which however he would not now trouble
the House. At Nottingham wages had advaneed from IS to
20 pet cent. ; and the people only bought the best flour and-the
best meat, for which the farmer was but very inadeqiiatly
repaid. The deterioration of the soil, produced by the opera-
tion 'of the Corn Laws, was in itself a great evil, and wilt,
amongst other causes, the ruin of the agriculturist. The tna-
nuring of lands had greatly decreased in Nottinoliainalstre_
The use of bones had fallen off one-thirili and Z,r huin femt
• one.tenth to. one.twer.tieth. flexing- a lime-work of 'his nor,
he was enabled to speak with accuracy on thie part if the. sub..
iect. The average sale of every year for ten yee.rs h. foie
1820 was - - 42,681 bushels.
In 1820, 3%324 -
1801 30,528,
1824 20 490
Such a decrease could not fail of producing a corresponding
, effect upon the soil. Be begged of Utintlernen, to consider what
it was that had led to the agricultural distress ; whether it was
not the law for the regnlation of the prices-of corn ; mull iif it
were, he conjured them to apply some epeicly,remedy. lie
would net appeal to the Landed tlentlemeri 4 to the.state et
impoveritihment and destitution in whielithe-farmerstioie were—
every one was aware of it, thougnmbny differed as to the ettus,o
that preduced it. The Corn Lae, was called a syswie of pro-
tection, but operating nothing but ilestrivtion. " Its principle
was utterly wrung. The pressUre wits not tont:m.(l to ifut attff-
etilturraniterear alone.. In at prolifical vieW'ir was colt ulsterno
produce nothing , but mischief Be WO nt't 401,1,106
110 very high 'prices; and he feereitthat raisingArizt,t__ -ern
would only plate some on a giddy'eminencvi I:4RT,l.w.til,n tory
intik sooner or leter Th lancl(4t i;otbi'resactill44e",,ilti':!setwiottlta
subject with 'lt great deal of liberality
we* one of arid that a itaw at variatiec with
_the first, end
best principles of good policy. Whet !made the
country the has been Then:den of so many interests, and
above all. that 'between her aristvericy and the tillers of the
their, prottetei s. In ell
wit...abet union whlen also
the greet Attif %oda' hitil'etturrOd them the signieg ormeg4
Charm' tO the lansat.perl4-tTrif would find the people,
And those =above them,- Made coalition cause, and I.li act sate-

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'aeraeti in the establishment of their liberties. Look where a'
column principle prevailed, such as in the presetit Corn Law
—look apt Poland--look at France during the Revolution, when
the aty was " Guerre- aux Chateaux"--look at this, and see
where a principle of division exists, if it be no; necessary
at once to correct it, and avert those evils which have ruined
others. Looking at this—looking at the near approach of that
period when Reform must come—he thought it a moment of
i4l others when no principle should be introduced of hostility
or jealousy amongst the people and those above them. If this
principle once set in, it would be morally impossible to pre-
vent its growth. The policy now was, to augment and in.
crease' the manufactures, on whose comfort, as well as on that
of the landed interest, so much of the riches and real wealth
of a country depended. We should, of all things, avoid all
high taxation ; and no high taxation was more ruinous than a
high price of corn. We should avoid acting on any principle
.1)y which capital would be withdrawn from us. If we had be-
fore ill-advisedly acted on such a principle, we should not now
be the admiration and the light of the word as we are. Look
-at the state of Italy, where no capital was employed. There,
sit every tern, you have splendid marks of her former greatness,
and at the same tithe the strongest living monuments of her

wretchedness and misery—
• .4 —. Not far remov'd the date,
When commerce proudly flourish'il-through the state :
At her command the palace learn'd to rise,
Again the long-fall'n columns sought the skies :
The canvas glow'd beyond e'en Nature warm ;
The pregnant quarry teeni'd with human form ;
Till, more unsteady than the southern gale,
Commerce on other shores display'd hex sail ;
While nought remain'd of all that riches gave,
But towns unmann'd, and ler& without a slave :
And late themetion found, with fruitless skill,
Its former strength was but plethoric ill."
Look at her condition, thus so well described by the Poet, and
.take care that by acting on mistaken principle you do not one
day or other (though it may be very distant) resemble her con-
dition. The Bight Hon. Gentleman (the Chancellot of the
Exchetpter) had told them of the flourishing state of the Re-
venue, in consequence of the increasing comforts of the people.
—(Hear, heath—But if any principle such as he alluded to
,were permitted to enter into our laws, that Right Hon. Gentle-
. -Man would have a very different exposé to offer to the House.
The alteration which he should propose in the law would be to.
lower gra.doally the import price, now at 70s. a quarter, by 2s.
ouarter each year, until the import price should come down to
bes. In this manner we should gradually be enabled to compete
with the foreign grower. The landed-interest had strcng claims
on the House on account of the Land Tax, the l'oors.rates, and.
the heavy charge which the maintenance of the Clergy created
on their property. The interests of agriculture did not demand
that the duties on importation shoula be heatry or carried to a
very great height. To increase it greatly would be to entail on
Government great responsibilities, and considerable danger
of disgust in the minds of the people, who were always
..alive to the apprehension of scarcity or famine in a greater
or less deree. No Government would dare to force such
stet unpopular measure. The only -substitute for this ar-
tanjgement now proposed would be the doctrine of averages,
which he could not consider equally advantageous as that pro-
posed. Ile considered that, to secure the farmer, a fair remu-
nerating price, the duty on Foreign corn should be only equiva-
lent to bring it into this market at fitis. a quarter, which would
, keep down the too great influx of corn through over abundance.
It was difficult so to lay on a tax, and arrange the enacting law
SO that the artificial price should cease at a stated moment, He
thought a duty of 12s. per quarter would be equivalent to a pro.
tection, considering the price which the grain must cost the met.
. chant importing it Into this country, and the charges of freight
with the incidental loss and expences arising from its shipment.
Except to such persons as were apt to take an exaggerated view
of the supposed cheapness at which corn could be purchised in
_Poland and7the interior of Europe, it would appear that. the
4.;nglisit grower would be thus enabled to compete with the
foreign grower in this market. Many intelligent persons
whom he had consulted thought it nut possible to bring foreign
coin to be sold here at less than 6114. per quarter,.and such cer-
tainly, was the impression on his mind. The country blentle-
• men and Agriculturists would be content, lie believed, with this
atrang,etnent of price; if they could be only satisfied and mut-
ed dist it might, be considered a permanent arrangement. Hay-
lag steted ao much of the outline of his Bill, he should content
Liaised(' without going further into the subject, reserving to him-
self, with the permission of the House, a right to reply to any
itoprtarit observation which might fall from any
—lion. Mem-
betMeer !)--He then moved' fur leave to bring in a Bill to
. an the Corn Laws.
'Mr. CLIRAVEN said, lie loid been particularly anxious to
cetth the speaker's eye, in ordex to be the first to protest against
the.impropriety, inconvenitlice, and danger, which would arise
.frso, the agitation of this question at the present moment..-.
Tie p4.id trihtiLe u, the memory of that great Statesman,
nave no. n).ir.•.,, itose), which, in his mind, was due to his
csi y.ls and careful consideration of the difficulty of this very
;risportallt titttstion—the Corn Laws of this country. However
in-.'. (filter on some other points with that Gentleman, lie
contessstl he agreed with hint on the subject of the corn.trade,
1-atiesever widely the lion. Member thr Bridgenorth might be
. disposed to denart in his principles from that Right Hon. Gen-
, tiernan's theory. He could not but avow, that he considered
• the Corn Laws an unwise measure. But he did not wish to tree
sliniaters.propelled by any ill-timed effort like the present to
iii!opt any hasty measure of relief.—( Hear ! from the Ministerial
1 kneels. s.;--After fter alluding to the statement of his opinion, by the
lee; sir. Rose that the whole North of Europe could not spare
enough of surplus corn from its own supply, to create a supply
for Ile total consumption of Great Britain for six months, he
Observed, that whilst labourers, manufacturers, and artisans were
to be, as they met be fed, provisions must always affect the
price of labour., teal that if tbatlabour were to becorne consider-
ably higher, it would be a calamity much to be deplor'ed. flow,
awn, he would ask, wits the remunerating price of labour to be
kept down witlqsit rubbing the poor man of his fair share of the
ernoymeras tif elite of toil I' lie knew of no way except by
denreosing our taxes ; he ivas happy to think thaltheineens now
pusuing by Administration were likely to attain the desired
rfhlect °f lowering the price or expences of cultivation which, was
the in-and desideratum. The period of the greatest possible
epplication of capital to agriculture was in the year 1814, when
it was at 22,4. to a quarter of wheat, whereas now it was not
above 17a. tir 18s. which would make about a million of quarters
• almitilly different in the supply of corn railed for eonsump-
tit*, or abinit as much as was now imported into this country
Ogre Ireland. He did not see any great danger in opening the
ports under certain matured regulations. But he could not
• eta:At-diet a duty of' even. 20s. a quarter would be a sufficient
or generally approved protection to the agricolittritte, because,
when the, ayekuliurist wanted it, it was nustt. likely he would
nut have it, fie was satisfied that nothing c9uld be better qua.
litied to meet the difficulties of the agriculturists than them
pr-
doefs Wit down its a basis fur the reduction of taxation in the
speech of the Chancellor of the Exchequer oa a former
By the proposed reduction of 2,0410,00)/. of taxes, there would
twertie certainly it material advantage to the great capitalists;
t;':;,t it was of little eonserittence to the genenil crisis of agricultu-
ralists, who had already taken their stand, rind reduced their es-
tabliahnient so es not to be greatly benefited by the proposed re-
eduction of assessed and other taxes. The great reduction in tax.
anon ought rsi be directed to relieve the lower and middle orders,
the cottager» end labourer*. These persons paid still enor-
mously foe their five windows, their :candles, and soap, whilst
thistle ill Mont nepulous places and towns were testi burthened by
time intooehions. lie expected little trout the proposed reduc.
tine of the Leather Tax it his lion, F'riend's motion should be
enectessful. It Iv3S remarkable that in the expos 6 of the Right
jinn. Gent. it app,;:nreil no attempt was to be.tnatle to lower the'
44ticg on With, time of the effects or which wail that our light
.hods were now generally.spplied to the cultivation of wheat.
'('hues the public found it necessary to relinquish the idea of
gtv wing their own balky, in order to brew themselves a whole.
sortie and sober beverage, whilst metals and health had gradually
been hnpared by the substitution of Hpiii ttiou liquors for home-
brewed rile and beer.. It was certain that the corn-grower
had suffeletf much from the very great importation in Ma,
when there . was, it WAS supposed, three months' supply of
:grain brought ion) this country from. foreign markets. Such,
„however, was not our condition at ,pre*ent ; nor was there
the some imperious-necessity for legislating to meet the evil._
He ticprocetsee any attempt at snaking any alteration at this mo-
ment. Although he should oppose the lutll, he did not say he
should tape theaense of the Ifoitte upon it.. , Certainly he must.
may that hi: wish•stlit ,era withdrawn until a more fit opportunity'
pre.s,:ated itself for introducing an impoved system. At pre_
sent the agitation of the question at. all must he 'dangerous, and
• at all events impolitic in the Im:sweeten: of agricultural affairs,
whiCh were already about to he relieved to a certuiti extent by die
Right Hon, Gentleman. Every thing ought to be done to ob-
tain a remission of taxes which preas on the middle and lower
order of agri::ttlturisti, t as provide adequate remuneration
for labour, Isesen the poor rates, and enable the greater and
small larmer ts: go oni upon a lees expensive scale of agrieultural
outgoing. arid expenditure. Let the Right Hon. Gentleman
Jake off' the candle tax, which now made to the pear cottager
..such a diftteence in this article, that instead of pitying NA per
Th. fur catie,les, he now paid 10d, This would prove a saving of
at least Ifie, to each vaunter. An additionel B*. a year ought.
:to be taken Off his window duty. If in addition to this 18*. a
.year,_ the to was tah.en ofrintilt, so as to give hint at a cheap
rate little-Wholeseirie beer, such a relief, he wait siitislied„
would
so decrease their burthens, that ip a very shine period million
deem. pt out of cultivation Would be reetortal to productive.
'cultivation, thus inceeasing the 'littoral weans and wraith of ilia
station. As now emu& be thought, if it were possiblue
.live milliousioftexes ought to be'appropeiated to the immediate.
'raid of the agriculturists. Whatever might be grid in or out of:
;doers of iteensded spolietion of individuals, he saw that there

prevailed a strong feeling of displeasure at the fact, that one
class of property, namely, the funds, was not compelled to sus-
tain its share of taxation or contribution• to the State. If the
House did not voluntarily do something in redressing this
grievance, he felt the table of the House would be so crowded
with petitions that the Government of the Country would be
compelled to take some steps to make funded property pay its
fair share of contributiow to the State, as it was in common
justice bound to do. Such at least had been the opinion of those
best informed on the subject, as Might be inferred from the
opinion pronounced by the Judges incidentally in a well recol-
lected ante. Begging pardon of the House for so long detaining
them in expressing sentiments, he was desirous to be the first to
put on record, with a view to persuade the Hon. Member to
withdraw his motion, he should sit down again pressing that
suggestion on his attention.
Air. BENET'r (of Wiltshire) expressed his decided opposi-
tion to the measure now proposed by the Hon. Member for
Bridgenorth (Mr. Whitmore.) Out Corn Trade was best pro-
tected at that period when we had a bounty on exported and a
duty on imported corn. It had been well observed by Adam
Smith, and the opinion was eubsequently supported by Air. Mal-
thus, " that all States which depend upon others for anyportion
of their food, can have only an ephemeral existence.' The
Hon. Member entered into a calculation, the object of which
was to thew the average pressure of taxation upon agriculture,
but the occasional dropping of his voice rendered him frequently
Inaudible in the gallery.. We understood him to state that the
taxation upon agriculturists amounted to 67 per cent. His object
was to reduce taxation, and thereby reduce the price of agricul-
tural produce. This, he maintained, could be done, and to a far
greater extent than many Gentlemen seemed to be aware of. The
rate per cent. of relief afforded to the farmer by any reduction
of taxation, might, perhaps, be considered, so trifling as to be
unworthy of consideration. But Gentlemen should consider that
every saving, however trifling, told in the ag,gregate. If no bal-
ance remained in the hands of the farmer from the sale of his
produce, after defraying the expence of cultivation, &c. then
there could be no rent. The lion. Gentleman then went on to
chew that the reductions in the malt, salt, leather, agricultural
horse, and other taxes, amounted to 18 per cent. out of the 67 per
cent. under which that interest alone had been labouring. This
chewed what beneficial effects,were to be derived from a persee
vcring reduction of taxation. In order to prove that the depre-
ciation of prices did not arise front an importation of corn he
observed that, for 64 years of the last century, wheat was. at
32i. At that period our exports of corn exceeded our imports,
there being a duty on the one and a bounty on the other. In
1793, when our imports increased, wheat ense:lii 455, per qr.
Here was a rise of 13s. per quarter, notwithstanding that the
import of the commodity had increased: The great pressure
under which agriculture laboured, was the immense taxation
with which they were borne down ; in addition to this, they
had the charge of the Poor's Rate. For, the price :Of labour
had fallen inproportion to the reduction of the price of wheat
(to prove which the Hon. Member entered into a variety of cal-
culations) so that the burthens of the farmer increased as his re-
sources diminished.---(Hear!)--The farmer might receive a
certain extent of relief from the effect of low prices, by a reduc-
tion of his rent, but he could receive no relief from the injuries
sustained , in consequence of the late alteration in the cur-
rency, except through the interference of that House. Ile did
not wish to interfere improperly with the right of the fund-
holder. but he contended that the landholder was as much
entitled to protection against ruin and beggary as the fund-
holder could be.--(Hear !)_—But he again repeated, that the
only protection, the only effectual relief to be afforded to either
must he by means of a reduction of taxation, not only directly.
but indirectly. Many Gentlemen- immagined that they would
directly derive great advantages from a reduction of certain
taxes, while they overlooked the much greater advantages to
be derived indirectly from a reduction of others. One Gen-
tlemen might say, " Oh, I shall save 301. by a reduction of
window tax, whereas, my housekeeper tells me that a reduction
of the salt tax would not make a difference of more than Al. or
101. a year.". Whereas, in point of fact, the salt tax, if re-
duced, would make, directly or indirectly, a saving of from
ont/. to 8001. to that individual. He also wished for the aboli-
tion of the taxes on leather, beer, soap, and candles, by which
an indirect relief to a great extent would be afforded to the
farmer. The Honourable Member, in conclusion, expressed
a hope that the House would not, under existing circum-
stances, e its assent to any alteration in the present Corn
lift WS...* hear!)
Mr. VI ODEHOUSE was disposed to give the Hon. Mem-
ber
for 13ridgenorth entire credit for the sincerity of his motives.
The country was much indebted to him for the able state-'
went he' bad just made, and the lights he had thrown upon
this difficult subject--clearly the result Of much labour and at-
tention. 'rlie douse could not but be surprised at the view
in which this question was now presented. It was not many
weeks ago that the apprehended danger was supposed to.pro-
ceed front surfeit—now the fears were that we should experience
all the inconveniences of scarcity. That the present Corn
Laws were 'very imperfect could not be denied, but in his (Mr.
W.'s) opinion, the present proposition was not calculated to
amend them. He was not a friendao high prices; he did not
think them either desirable or practicable. In proof of this,
he referred to a conversation he had sometime ago with the
present President of the Board of Trade (Mr. Iluskiesont,
when he said that. if he made 64 the maximum of protect.
ing duties, such a proposition should have his (Mr. W.'s)
support ; and if the late Committee 'upon Agricultural Dis-
tress came to a resolution of that-neture, he should never have
objeCted to their Report. The lion., Member for Bridgenorth
had attributed all the fluctuation in prices of corn to the opee
ration of the Import Duties: This was not the fact ; for by a
calculation made by Mr. Malthus, it appeared the greatest fluc-
tuations took place from 1792 to 1805, although the high Im-
port Duties did not come into full operation until the issuingof
the Berlin and Milan Decrees; The lion. Member also re.
leered to an extract from die Eton Register, by which It ap.
peered the years preceding the laying on of high Import Du-
ties were as productive of arbitrary fluctuations in the price of.
corn as any that succeeded. Upon this subject he thought
the Agricultural Report of 1821 was not sufficiently explicit.
Ile had great respect for those who were most active in drawing
up that Report, but he protested against the conclusions to which
the Committee had come, for several reasons, one of these was,
that they did not take sufficient notice of the particular dis-
tresses of which the several petitioners to the House complained,
inasmuch as they reported that the commerce of the country was
free from restrictions of any kind. Another was, that the Re-
port glanced too lightly at the consequences of the alteration
whiclehad been made in the 'value of money, a subject to which
he (Mr. W.) attributed the whole distress of the country. It
was also objectionable, as laying down the principle that, the
protecting duties on corn should not exceed ten or twelve shil-
lings a quarter. This was a duty too low to protect the English
farmer. When an attempt wag made to correct this by a pm-
position of the Hon. Member for the Queen's County, for fix-
ing the maximum at 63, it was opposed on the ground of its
giving too great a monopoly to the English fanner. The third
position taken up by the Hon Member was, that the quantity
of corn imported was greatly affected by the operation of the
high import-duties. In refutation, of this, he (Mr. W.) referred
to •the evidence taken before the Agricultural Committee. It
was there stated by Mr. George &Ott, than whom there was no
better authority, that the supply of corn from abroad wits al.
ways governed not by the importation of duties, but by the this
mantel for it. And to show that its price was not enhanced by
the operation of the duties, Mr. Scent stated that, in 1789 he pur-
chased .for Government it large quantity of corn in the Baltic,
which was delivered here at 40 shillings. In thesaine year,
too, the Board of Trade reported that the quantity, of foreign
corn upon the western coasts was en great, that the English
farmer was quite unable to find a market at any price. So much
then in answer to his assertion that, during the operation of the
high duties, the importation of corn wits greatly limited. It
was the opinion of Mr. Webb Hall, and subsequently of' Par.
Lenient, that the quantity of corn imported was not affected by
port duties, however high they were. For all these reasons,
he hoped the lion. Member would persist in his intention of
withdrawing this motion.
Mr. HUSRISSON said he 'should not trouble the House
'tfien-wit not that the Member for Norfolk who spoke last made
some allusion to him. He fully coinsided in the wish expressed
by his Hon. Friend (Mr. Wodelrouse) thatahey might have a
speedy deliverance from this debate. Ile, (Mr. 11.) made no
complaint of the Report of the Cotninittee of 1021. What he
complained of was, that the Report had been ascribed to him
-singiy, and not, as it ought to have been, to they/hole body of
the Committee.-..(Hear!).—Many alterations were made in it
Contrary to his wishes. Ile would not follow- the desultory
speeches made mum the present question, nor examine the va-
nous and contradictory plane of relief proposed by different
lion. Gentlemen. It was enough for him to say that, to re-
move the burthens Which now pressed upon agriculture, they
were enabled fortunetely to remove taxes to a Urge amount.—
(Hear !).-When the Member for Cumberland (Mr. (urwen)
expressed a desire for the removal of two particuler taxes, he was
not elute borne our by the calculations on which he grounded
'the reasonableness of the tneasure. The Hon. Member said
Ithat every poor family consumed 401bs. of candles in the year,
and that therefore by a repeal of the CiMdie Tax each family
would be relieved to the amount of 1 OA. The duty on candles
was only one penny in the pound. Ile was therefore at a loss
to know how the lion. Member drew his conclusion that the
relief would he to the extent of 10s., particularly when it WAS
taken into consideration that the consumer seldom derived int-
mediate benefit from the repeal of any tax of tine kind. He
need only refer for proof of this to the repeal of the Leather
Tap:.---(iliac!)---The flotiourab le Member was not more
fortunate with reepect to the, Window. Tax. The cottages of
farming labourers, unless they had. more than six windows,
which he believed was seldom or never the case, paid no Win-
dOw Tux at all. That the Candle Tax did not press very heavily
was sufficiently proved _by • the increase of consumption, Ile

timid not clearly understand upon what calculations the Mem-
ber for Wiltshire (Mr. Benett) estimated the relief to agricul-
ture, arising from the repeal of taxes at IQ/. per cent, This,
however, he would say, that the agriculturist had no claim to
compensation proportioned to the general amount of taxation.
All those taxes referred to by the Member for Bristol (Mr.
Bright we believe) applied equally to the artisan and the agri-
culturist. If they could be removed so much the better ;
-but they were borne not by agriculturists .alone. As to the
duties on cloth, and other articles of consumption exported,
they 'were paid by the consumer abroad, and the consumers at
home it was clear. had an advantage to that amount. Ile did
enet understand the views of Hon. Members, as to what they
considered a proper system of Corn Liws. They did not profess
themselves friends to high protecting duties, but at the same time
would introduce such regulations as would preclude the impor-
tation corn.—ear !)—lle agreed that the
discussionnf a sin le b
of this subject
of corn.—(
Bear was of the highest importance, what-
ever might be the result; but he could not admit that the present
was a proper time for entering into it, on account of the great
difference of opinion that existed as to the cource it would be
most wise to follow. While such a difference prevailed both
in and out of doors, it was impossile that any proposed altera-
tion could meet with an impartial consideration. n hen so many
burthens pressed upon agriculture, it was most desirable that
no change should be attempted that might have the effect
of throwing new difficulties in the way of a satisfactory ar-
rangement. The , alteration proposed might, perhaps, have
beneficial effects if the parties interested were not likely to draw
very opposite conclusions upon it. By agreeing to the propo-
sition they would place themselves in a situation of great
difficulty. The Report of the Committee appointed in 1821
had this good effect—that it opened the eyes of the country to
the mischiefs of the system that prevailed ; it proved that mo-
nopoly was not profit, and that restriction and monopoly were
not synonimous terms. All who read the Report was con-
vinced that toeillow a monopoly up to the price of 80s. the
quarter, and then to open the trade without limitation, was,
in the highest degree, prejudicial ; and that it was not a
good corn system which shut or opened the ports according to
a fractional difference in the price of corn. Another principle
Inculcated in the Report, and one of no small importance, was,
that, the English agriculturist was entitled to protection against
foreign competition equal to, the peculiar burthens under
which he laboured. Updn view of the difficulties of the ease,
the Conimittee recommended protection to that amount. This
principle met with the concurrence of his Right Honourable
Friend (Mr. Robinson). In the next Session another Com-
mittee was appointed to consider the best mode of applying
the principle of the Report, and the result was a proposed
alteration to mitigate the principle of the Act of 1815. When
the bill was brought forward, his Noble Friend (the Mar-
quis of Londonderry) stated that there was no difference in
principle between it and the measure of the previous year, and
that it shouldnot go further than met the wishes of those who
were most interested. It was then objected that it (lid not go
far enough. Ile stated these circumstances to ;thew that it was
not now desirable to make any proposition not likely to carry
with it the feelings of the pereons most deeply concerned. Ile
did not mean to say that the subject ought not to be dis-
cussed; and he was obliged to his Honourable Friend (Mr.
Whitmore) for his able statement, and the clear nnoiner in
which lie pointed out the injurious reaction that might arise from
the present state of the land. They must, however, prepare
themselves, and the country gradually, for a system more con-
sistent with sound principle. He thought they had now seen
the worst of the low prices. Corte effect of them was, to increase
consumption and add, to the confidence and cottifort of the ma.
nufacturing classes. On the other hand, owing to the diminu-
tion of the farmer's capital, there must be for some time to come
a diminution of his profits and his produce. 'This circumstance,
connected with an unfuvourahle harvest, could not buthave the
effect of producing. a rise of prices. By any premature change,
they might soon hung themselves into the difficulties from which
they had just escaped. It was desirable to avoid such altera.
thins as tended to produce in alteration of high and low prices,
which equally distressed tWiartner at one time, and the manu-
facturer at another. Satisfied as he was, that the present. system
of laws was as well adapted to.the existing state of agriculture,
as any which could have been hitherto devised, he could. not
see the advantages which would arise from the continual
change of them. He agreed with the principles of his Hon.
Friend that monopoly would be productive of great dangers,
as well by the raisin g of the prices of agricultural produce
above those of the other countries of Europe, as by exposing
at one time the capital of the manufacturer, and at another
the capital of the agriculturists to continual fluctuations.—
Whet lie thought would be woeful, was the protecting of the
British growers above those of the Continent, us fur as the
burthens of the State rendered their state difihrent t'rom that
of the foreign agrienituriste. The principles of the lion. Mem-
ber being similar to his own, lie hoped that the Hon. Mem-
ber would withdraw the motion, which was calculated, without
the prospect of any ultimate eticeeeS, to excite discussions which
would not be agreeable to any of those persons interested in the
welfare of all classes.
Mr. CUUWEN and Mr. BrlviTT explained. •
Mr. RICARDO thought that all the Gentleinen who had
spoken, even adversely to the motion of his Hon. Friend, had
argued in favour of the principles of it. The Right lion.
Gentleman had seemed afraid of the dangers likely to assail the
capital of the agriculturiets ; the motion ofhis lion. Friend had
been founded upon those very fears, upon the necessity of pre-
venting them from being hereafter realized. Ile would therefore
support the motion of his Hon. Friend, because it would he pro-
ducuve of benefit, by contributing to remove the evils which
caused those fears. In the system which his Hon. Friend had
offitred to the House there was one evil, namely, that of hay.
ing fixed prices. The Right lion. Gent. bad admitted that pro-
tecting duties, as far as the Britieb growers were more burthened
than those of the Continent, would be useful; that was
likely
b
ut the principle of fixed prices could not be regarded as ikely
to be thus advantageous to the British agriculturists. His
Hon. Friend had thought, when those duties, together with the
remunerating prices, would allow corn to be sold at flOs. that
corn might be imported at 00e. lie would agree with those
principles so fur as that a protecting duty ought to be Imposed
for the protection of the British agriculturists for the burthens
of the State, and that a drawback ought to be allowed to them
On their exports amounting to those burthens. Such a eyseem
would tend to prevent either'a glut or a scarcity in the market,
as it would support the impart and export at proper times. The
Right Ifeln. Gentleman hart deprecated the preeent Bill as
likely to create agitation ;—it would not cause it. His lion.
Friend had said that the principle of his measure ought not to
be carried into effect until the price should reach 80s. ; but he
thought that it would be proper now, or when the price was
70s. The Honourable Member for, Norfolk had stated that
the Right Honourable Gentleman had promised the price to be
at fits. for ten years ; he would he satisfied, even according to his
theory, if no corn was to be imported after the price should be
as low as 605., and he could see that Hon. Member would not
dispute for the other four shillings. lle could not agree with the
reasoning of the on. Members for Cumberland and Wiltshire,
that the taxes paid by. the rentholders were a grievance to the
agriculturists ; for the cultivators were not so much aggrieved by
the taxes paid by their landlords' as they were remunerated by
the high prices of their produce. As he therefore considered the
motion likely in some measure to be partly productive of the
benefits which he foreeaw would accrue from the system which
he advocated, he hoped that the motion would not be withdrawn.
Much had been said of the Report of the Committee, which
could not be denied to be excellent in its principles--those
principles could not be too frequently repeated-4hose. princi-
ples, from frequent reetition, would produce the beet
sion as well on the house 11.4 an the country. fie could not
therefore consent to the withdrawing of the Motion,particti
H -
laxly as it related to a question of vital importance. e would
take the sense of the House on the question. The prosperity
of the manufacturers depended on the price being low and
steady ; and he could not but lie friendly to a system which
mould tend to produce that effect, while it would produce the
greateetadvantage to the growers of corn.--(Hear !)
Mr. \VODE HOUSE explained.
Mr. ATTWOOD supported the motion, and entered at
sonic length into details which have frequently time canvassed
in debate. lie contended that a high price of corn would not
have the effect of injuring the Revenue, end maintained that,
with the exception of the freight, the English fanner was sub.
ject to as heavy charges us time foreign agriculturist who pent his
corn to this country.
Mr. MONCK said he would support the Bill, agreeing as
he did with the lion. Mover. It WAS his (Mr. Monck's) opi-
nion, that the only way of relieving the distress of the Agricul.
tural interests was by diminishing the expence of cultivation,
which could be only done by diminishing the amount of taxes.
Colonel WOOD said that be did not know any thing which
was mere likely, at the prow moment, to unsettle the mind
of tide country than to tamper with the Corn Laws, after the
decision of the House last Session*
said he hoped the House would
sMirr.TlßELsaimillehtiatßhieDwootulti divide the House on the Bill.
not adopt the principle of the Bill; it was not sufficiently com-
prehensive to afford to the sgdeulturists any relief. lie hoped
that_Ministers would vote egoir'st
Mr. WHITMORE said that he would not press the nio.
tion, but if any llonourable.3l ember should divide the House
upon It, he would vote precieely as if lie hail himself called for
turists, unless the ports were kept open, and unless there was a
that division. There wits, in hie opinion, no relief for agricul.
regulated duty.
Mr. LEsTER, said that before the price of corn could be re.
deem], the
object which could be only the reduction of notation.
expence of producing it should also. be reduced—an
The I louse then divided—For the motion, 25; Against it, 70
arteiued by
—Majority against the motion. 35.
The other Orders of the DRY were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned,

FOREIGN INTELIAGENtE.

PARIS, FEB. 2.l.—The Duke (le Reggio sets
out this week for the Army of Spain.—(Moniteur.)

We have received a letter from Bayonne,
dated the 18(h. Many fresh troops bad not
then arrived. Two maiis from Madrid were
due, but it was expected they would arrive
on that or the following day. It was known
from travellers that Madrid was quite tranquil.
There is a report that Spain has determined, in
order to secure the alliance of England, to cede
to her, if it should be required, Ceuta, Santana
and Mahon.--(Journal de Paris.)
The first brigade of the camp equipage of the
Duke d'Angouleme will arrive at Bordeaux on
the 26th invt. It consists of 13 individuals, 22
horses, two carriages, and 13 gendarmes for
escort.—lt is reported this afternoon, that .5,000
seamen have been ordered to be levied at Brest.

CHAMBER OF DEPUTIES.--MONDAY. FEB. 24.

SPEECH tf M. DE 'MULE on the WAR SUBSIDY.
[From the Moniteur of Tuesdayl
" GENTLEMEN,--The Government will find
in this discussion the greatest justificatioa which
could be made of the course which it has adopted
respecting the affairs of Spain. In fact, of all
the speakers who have attacked the appropriation
of funds proposed by the aovernment, none have
advanced the objection which ought naturally to
present itself to those who oppose that appropria-
tion ; that is, to prove to the Government that it
is in error, in regarding the honour anti security
of the country to be incompatible with the pre-
sent state of things. I ask every candid. man
whether this be not the real question ? Is it not
the proof which ought to be brought forward at
this tribune ? But when, instead of endeavouring
to impress this conviction on your minds, it is at-
tempted to alarm you on the consequences of the
war, and to go into digressions on the opinion of
this or that Minister, on this or that act, :foreign
to a question so important, then, I say, it is con-
fessed that this question cannot be otherwise re-
solved than the Government itself has resolved it.

(Marks of approval on the right.)
" The Deputy who opened this debate, who
disputed the right of intervention, has taken care
not to approach this point of the difficulty : lie
has throughout supposed the state of Spain so
regular, so coUfortnuble to principles which could
not he applied except to ourselves, that he has
exhibited it as the condemnation of those who
are impressed with the necessity of combating it :
but he would certainly be bound, according to
his own principles, to come. to very different con-
clusions, if he had been disposed to view the
present state of Spain, such as it is, such as has.
placed us under the necessity of having recourse
to war, since we could no longer remain at peace
with that country with honour and security.
" The lion. Speaker whom I have followed
did me justice when he said, the President of the'
Council of Ministers would wish to preserve
peace, to avcid war. • Ile .had no need to speak
of a Minister ; he hid only to refer to the senti-
ments of the Monarch, to be certain that no
Minister could have continued in office, had he
given counsels such as we are at this moment sup-
posed to have followed ; that is to say, to advise
an unjust war—a war which, in the situation of
our country, we could not avoid.—(Again'an
expression of approbation on the right.) Yes ;
and I have already declared from this tribune in
the secret Committee, that it is with regret—it is
only-because honour and safety require it—that
we have recourse to arms : if it had been pos-
.sible. to avoid war, we would have avoided ite--,
We'have tried every nieans to maintain amicable
relations with Spain=we have tried by every
means to avoid the calamities of war ; but things
being brought to the situation in which they are,
and as long as the state of Spain shall
.continue'
• what it is at present, 1 declare that there is but

one way of attacking the proposition of Govern-
ment, and that is to prove that it can with
honour, with safety, with less injury than will
result to the interests which are represented to us
as being compromised by war, maintain peace
with that country.
" The Hon. Deputy, who has done me justice
with respect to this particular of my character,
might have rendered me equal justice with re-
spect to another : it is, that it was only to bear
the responsibility of office in times so difficult and
troublesome as the present, that I renounced an
advantage which I was as likely to procure, with
the ideas which he gives me credit for, as any
bpdy else. Assuredly, I cannot give a better
pledge of, my conviction that it is impossible for
us, with honour and safety, to remain in our pre-
sent situation, than is to be found in my not
having quitted office with the opinion that would
be attached to my sentiments for the preservation
of Spain. If there is sacrifice to make—if lam
to give a pledge and a confirmation of the truth
of my opinion, that what has been done has
been, as it ought to be, commanded by the interests
of the King and of the country, I have made
that sacrifice, and I have given that pledge, by
continuing in office with all the burdens they
impose upon me, and by, renouncing the popu-
larity .which I should have acquired by quitting
it.—(Strong sensation.)
" A state of peace appears to me a hundred
times snore preferable than a state of war; so
also does a state of war to disgrace---to seeing
the most solid interests of my country compro-
mised; and this undoubtedly is the situation in
which the Spanish revolution has placed us. (Nu-
merous voices on the right, oc Yes, yes ; t►ravo.")
For, as has often been said in the course of this,
debate, it is only the blindness and obstinacy of
the Spanish revolution which is to blame for all
the evils which may result from the present situ.,
ation of things; and herein exists a great differ-
ence between the probability of events, and the
comparisons which it has been wished to make
with what has previously occurred in Spain.
" Yes, Gentlemen, there is' blindness, there is
obstinacy, there is even forgetfulness of the in.
Wrests of Spain on the part of those who at this
moment govern in Madrid ; and can you believe
that in this' situation a generous intervention,
dictated by the most sacred interests on the part
of France, will be received as was the first en-
trance of the French armies into pain
"The King declared to you in his speech,

I

tithsatciirfeltehealwidarlimbiet
iitisietvluitraabtlioen,
.he would COIItrICI. :.
. -, ,•:.
:
it En
vain will it be answered that such expec-
tations were formerly entertained, and that they
were disappointed. But why, Gentlemen, were
they disappinted ? Because the war MIS under-
taken to establish a foreigner on the Throne of
Spain, to overthrow the laws of the country, aod
to convert the Peninsula into a province of France.
tis ,
the
any only
law,
Bat when, far from entertaining any such int°.
ioi
presentmoutirrmseulrys onest to maintain 0? au.
thority of the legitimate SoVerei.;n, without wishing
to impose
re-
not see how we can be prevented from alivayS
" You have been told, the right), Ido
inainiug masters of the power of circuinscrihiag
the mode of the war, and of limiting its duratian•
gers to_which our commerce will be exposed. II
it possible that, in a French Chamber, French
orators can come forward to tell us that the war
with Spain will - compromise the interests of our
commerce ?--(Voices on the left--" Yes, Yes;
they are already compromised.")—ThPY I
already compromised, lam told. Gentlemeni ,
repeat the words, for an lion. Member has used
Gentlemen, of the do
them before me. You bring into this discussion
prejudices which ought not to prevail in it- The
annunciation of war has produced all 1b ee f:cits
e
that war itself will produce; and that enec' fj
nothing more than a moral effect, for yon yin°, 1
facts.—(Livly
be greatly punled to mention any
igt; substant!as
oe crie
interruption on CriaS
from that side," The fall of the Fillids''-'
from the right side, "
mGlowfcurut
liaotrtsedni
e Ii ce
ought
The PREMEXT 1, To , . p' a siw,ker is eitiot-e,-,',
The right of reply is. commonln'toernjalit the. Chamber; lAtt we
speaker ought to be hard befo,.. ' ever; thine (Bilenlitceed °I
re-esatablished, and the Minister. -of Finance then 'wee-,
select
Ought we not to attribute that morale"
of
exertionsilie
Order, order.") ~
~ pi,
to Which I have just alluded, to the
party spirit ? Indeed, who- can fear It'si De
vessels which we have in the coloni..s shoo"
1,
vtielerycrterduuttlii,tyGoefuttlehienip.
captured in endeavouring to enter our harboor.ii
%Vill it be those who have speculated io roinniiii
commodities ? (Laughter on the right.? that
some individuals have displayed a desire Ina , •
you knoworo.
state of our navy : you know that in the Ail ve,
in our colonies, and upon our coasts, "r,' itioat
much greater number of vessels or ivir tu'll nie,
unhappy Spain, tvitli Whose vengeance yoa
nace, us, can furnish from all her ports. _
goo,.
4 In whatever point of view, the debat°
reel
sidereal, it will of course happen that 'them i,,
question will be discussed ; and that quest/vet.
—can the present state of Spain, of which joger
fects, as far as they relate to france, can go,
.0,
be concealed, coLthlui, to „,-,it ii*.thnui, Vag
(lacing danger and dishonour to oorselstes•vibio.
know the facts ; you have seen the rePlYt.s, o(
asks of France to withdraw her Ar1,"0,0
nulbliich:adforal,inost sae.
burr
Observation from the -Pyrenees. Til,eretioetv• en,
condition of peace: -: . Examine it, Gtl/1,, pre'
teo.rmadinoepdt
tuhleio,
and tell us whether, consistently with ‘,-,1(1 lb'
:nervation of the honour of the Gro'i'n, T.i. left
ttriebiunnleernhta.isl
security_ of the country, there was any °lilt:oil,'
for the King to take than that whiCli he
ir' 0,4
,111,(I'vraanncenedhans" assertion
i.dtei :I:LI: ifiris'itil i ;‘11::'
nFitla,ikiti-.lrilg.chaArtenr I:entli:atenrcegflat:i:
oounttisrisliolti:leeSuti.
nrcoptt..uhotattitaiiitilieir'oiii'arasiacrvila‘leal,oleyr,lot(rdd.iiiyols)loinSetrislii.iiiitv'Usilialoatiu.cia,.ltrfillit.oe lii,l,i
~vieit
tltt.l,:tiwantiv
villisti:::ll,tetilt-100'6-,4.1,'1,
‘,slelitritli)ii,
oialeplii°lolliliiiirl;t
_own institutions : we know that dui 5-tiotlier
but can we answer for their isuitiag °„iairil
people ? Do you think us so litiie tioil,"%sta
spsoisi, twep.ico,l
..00
wish to i p
nl-
impose uponP theni histitutions;wlit I ,
no,t,have originated with themaelvas,*- , A fear ft'r
I.repent it, W" have no reproaCa say — era:
- ~,,, a
the Government of the King 11'15 "le has In
":" in its power to maintain 1)(;"'" -,ti utee P.;
the greatest sacrifices: and yoit Ivut,htti not lir
eindured from Spain. Notiiiiig hot the '41,4110,
will saythe almost
could have induced a star,• like F riniceool:t after
Navinrcise such astonishing forbearoce*, go tiii':i
lg so conducted ourselves for so I°,a' ;isle
it
it was our duty to ask ourselves if suc" our cofe
things could continue without danger I,l° silleli it
's
. came for making known 0
try ? We thought it could not ; nil". oo il'i
time
point, we did it from- profound coirvi'tled that I
my part, I think I have sufficiently Prnvocieseei
have obeyed merely the dictatesof ley cot 1 Oa' '
think that peace is preferable to wlr ; I.:itle Itailltei''
also, that in the sit •of ;le .. 00
uattoti .pa 7 all to
nonce ofthat at For tO-1,
peaceis impossible, and
reasonsitwou l:1
lb e
thinko lor at
itilantnygoe
ur ocuasntilli;ttirrs:'fauPrsi t'el I (i'tr°111:11°011
0.1:11).,
dies which are required of you." (A gle.,,nc('llaWberio'
the present
aseke!..7ellien7;ew;foiiiiistieti:irsitglii:to°loctt.i'ir'eltfhl'il°ll4l'!
present crisis, we. have trarislatesi it entire leg P-01)11*.
tear.
speech, in winch he forcibly deprecated wart li_„a eice'ige3 biftsA
hi. Royer-Collard opened the debate ill a 0,41
the projected invasion of 'pain had not beenro 'Throne j elli
it yal mind, but by a party SUMS er than tl-'''',,lll.:
whoae object as the establiii n e • rgof arbilrarY ii tutor Pl',
lad excited public odiuni b Itilielir'entleavottO it.;,'',, peticiot, j 9
_ that the whple
storation into a scourge, insiYead of a banclit't°„. itii ce: tit t".
maintained, as; l'iinelTalleyrind had nor? 1, I.„;3ett
speech on the Address in cue' Chamber of re'erk. 'ea "1,40,41
thc ^institutions of France. which were to he Olt% iv "'ow-
and not the Spanish Revolution ; and energioctili4 iipliapiVi
fora cause which would bailer own, but that z0°,4,01, ‘l,,t b'et
felt she would be fighting against her 43 w 0 'n ' -be 344' tO''''
every victory which might b.. obtained vieuhl 440 A, tial
aelf-'s—lle wars follow 4 by M. babounionoge;',hcsili, Ilifl
the Ministers for not go- hid to war sooner, but tu05,„0,:0.,„,
nation would voluntardY 01 leis ecr7,-,11,
supportvd the motion for the subsidy' I 'two ~,,, pi ~ ON
horde, who painted in striking colours the (Weil, tie ,iiiel'o
the, all but impossibility, of mimeos : next i:t000,10.11e el,
who voted for the )s'l;r, tri the ground or sury%eso, rah
of the Crown.-31. Del;:sitert then delivers so tots blot 044
.ttgairist war, in which he quoted the rePO)", 1,17, amen et t.'„
in 1803, by the,. Alinister of OtionapArt 0 , ''' r° sv, roll /
Spain; and observed upon it, that tile Chitouelia..,'3rlllol_;',
much num in powtr resembled each other, 3t AO ofitv'T
tificationr:sted on the same grounds as that 0 ~: 1.,,,,,1010 o, ,
M. Citadel baj ac made a declamatory harangne':j that a 0 4r
General Foy, with great eloquence, 1:0063`1 in; o' 00'
' I 1P" arl'' ) hung' ,I,
which lie ea an old soldier could not )e an fi
should be employed in a service in which, AS (ilea.
en)
'Crust ilOllO it•wouhl fail. - have giv lie° at
The hlinister Villele (whose speech we d Aloog ',pet -
'awed; and af,:er him, M. Basterrecht, rea 0 adj0a....,,,e. Ai
favour of peace. The discussion was theyika $ 11l osSr
o'clock, for want of sufficient Members to,!,`„1000 so,,octit,4ol
The galleries were filled with Veers a 4;ss no‘i'd ront't
of distinction. The English Arobassatl°
some of the papers ascribe the
to the expectation of a speech from :51d
however, did not speak.
inunemeaccohsocoltiou,