The Sun.
London, England, 1815-04-20 00:00:00

MOPE ItTg Tax.

On the motion of the CHANCE/J.OR of the
• E-
xrnEG,vßn, 'that the House resolve itself into a
Committee at Ways and Means,
Mr. WHITBREAD said,, that before the Speaker,
kit the Chair, he conid not help proteifing against
the Property .Tax, which the chancellor of the
P;xelieqttee had given notice of hits iotention of
renewing.* The Right Hon. Gentleman had be-
fore told the IlOuse that it would be abandoned
if Oace should 'continue, and if the other taxes
which had been proposed to be sidimititted, were
agreed to. Every one of these other taxes ex-
cept one bad been abandoned. this manner
of proceeding, the Chancellor of the Exchequer ac-
knowledged that Other he is 8 most unfit Mini-
ster for devising :taxes, or that no other tax could
be devised equal to the necessities of the country.
sow, every one of those.other' taxes, except one,
was abandoned by the Right Hoe. Gentleiumi
himself, while this tax, which he said would be
ehaodoned if peace should continne,..Was to be
renewed. He therefore would wish to knoW
in what state we were to consider the country,
whether in a state of peace or war, and if iu
state of war, what was the object of the
war, or.- whether k was to replace the Bour-
bons on the throne of' France ? Under circum-
stances when there was no probability of a speedy
return of .war, a peace establishment of 11l mil-
‘liotts had been fixed on. If then there should be
a recurrence, the country had, a very gloomy pros 7
pect before it. He was most anxious, therefore,,
to have a deckled answer to the question—Are we
,at war or are we not ? Was there no alternative
between a war and not placing the Bourbons on
the throne of France,? %Vas _there a treaty con-
eluded at Vienna oa such terms as it was spoken
of ; and, if there was, was it' authorised or unau-
thorised . his Majt:ity's, Ikrin'e,ters.,..... for it' was
alow. -the eustotts- ut his 'Majesty's' I‘,llUi3ters to
pledge the honour of the country, Without any
other authority than their own; This Treaty was
said to be founded on that of Chaumont,.
.and 'he
would wit to know. whether we were bound to
treat on no terms whatever with the, present Itulr
of France ? He would wish also to know whether,
es was stated in the French Papers, hostiEties had
commenced in Italy between the troops of Naples
and those of Austria ;- whether the former had not
been successful, whetherltome had not'been taken,
and whether there had not been a rising through-
out Italy against the Austrians ? He knew not
bow it happened, that while the Noble Lord„was
st) candonsjngiving information on, the subject
of his mission, so many documents, stole into the
pnplic papers. Whether the portfolio of the No-.
ble Lord, had a rent in it, which let out affairs
that should be kept ice --(a luugh)—or by what-
evdr other means it came to pass, so it was.; and
lie \afoul(' wish to know. whether the Noble Lord
which
appeared in a news
,3yould disavow a note.
paper of this day, his signature
questions, he thought, ought to be answered on
.the, present occasion), as it was: hardly possible to
hesitate between wh'ether we should proceed now
tr,- the ronsideratiOn of what was considered tt
yar-tux, or postpone the Consideration of it till

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after we should know ‘vhether we were at war or
peace. • ,
Lord bati-inatAtt said, that in the present tir-•
enmstanees of Europe, there could be no doubt
of the necessity of wconsh!erable augmentation
of the Offensive means of the country. His Right
Han. Friend had stated, that in the event.of war
the Property Tax would probably be again resort 7,
ed to ; but he did not preclude himself from re-
sorting to it, should circumstances require it, even
without the recurrence of war. The Flnn. Gen-
tleman (Mr. Whitbread) asked him (Loyd Castle-
reagh), whether he was prepared to disavow a
Note which bad appeared in a paper of that day,
professing to be signed. by him. He was not pre-
pared at present to answer all the ,Hon. Gentle-
tll2li'S questions, for the interests of his country
would not permit him to do so ;. but as it h:ui
been said that the day of trial would come, he
could say, that on that day, when the interests of
the country would permit it, he would bg ready
to kistify every part of his conduct. lint it it %vas
dentanded of him to sacrifice the interests of the
country to
.his own justification, he would rather
Submit to any misrepresentation of: hips conduct
for the present, Such a demand however had
never been made by any person; Who could be
considered a statesman. Mr. Fox, never made
such, a demand. The lion. Gentleman was the
first person who ever indulged in that House its
the continual habit of Asking premature questions.
He was not prepared to answee the Hon. Gentle-
man's questions at present; and the lion. Gen-
tlenian himself must feel it would be a breach
of his duty, if he did. All he could say .trus,
that there was no hostile step taken by'this coun-
try as vet.
'PONso.N.BY tait4 that as the Noble Lord
had alloded to that person (Mr. Fox) %vhose me-
mory he most revered and loved, he must say, that
the Noble Lord had not dealt fairly by
Mr. Fox had often asked questions such as had
-been asked to-night, and he often had been, as
was the case to-night, unanswered, Wiky could
not the Noble Lord answer any of the questions
of to-night ? What was there in those questions
which it was dangerous to answer ? He was glad
however to hear thtit. the Noble Lord declared
that there was no hostile step taken by this coun-
try as yet. But what objection bad he to state
whether the Note that had appeared in one of the
papers of this day was genii* or not ?; His si-
lence, howeveri .was sufficient. It spoke as fully
as words could do.

Lord CNSTLEREAGII and Mr. WIIITBUCAD se-
verally explaiacd.
Sir MATTnEw -W. Run,Ey took this early op-
portunity Of entering his protest against this ob.
noxioui measure. He always considered that this
Tic; had been laid; nit for the defence of the coin-
try. We were not now at war, thoiigh from the
Noble Lord's expressions he had.room to fear that
it Was determined we should not belong without
it. However we were yet at peace, and while we
were, he did not see why we should have this op-
pressive measure. The Emperor of rrauce bad
propel .:41 terms for the continuance of peace; and
if those terms were fair and honourable to us, he
could not think that the country ought to he op-
pressed with this unequal and inquisitorial tax
merely for the purpose of torciug tho flottrlions on
the Throne of France. He certainly thought it
fit that the country 'should be always placed in a
state of security, but a strict and rigid economy
was the best way to place her in this state. He
concluded by most strongly protesting against the
Tax.-

Sit FomnatcK FLOOD said he had heard that'
the Irish Chancellor of the Bullet-Ines meant to
proposirthis tax for Ireland. He had this day
received many letters 'from Ireland about it, and
they expressed the general alarm entertained in
that country on the subject. Ireland "i.vas very
badly able RI present to 'bear any fresh burdens,
and he feared if this load was added tO her other
hardships, that she could no long►tr support her
lot.
Mr. FITZGERALD did not feel himself culled on
to state what financial measures he 'lntended to
propose fur Ireland.
Sir FREDERICK FLOOD eXplitirled..

Mr. MARTIN COIICIIITed With the Hon. Baronet
in his opinion of the inability of lrelthitl to'bear
this tax.

BANKEs had, on a former occasion, stated
his opinton, that, under 'certain minliticaiions,
this would be one Of the fairest and properest
taxes that could be Il6fised. lie did not think
that any other equally, productive tax could be
thought of, which woolti he so little oppressive,
or so little unequal, tie therefore ‘vould not ob-
ject to it, 00 account of the principle of the wea...
sure. But he considered it us the beginning of a
new syStein of -taxatidn ; and he could not think,
of agreeing that a part of the United Kingdom
should be subject to it, while auother part (Ire-
land) would be excluded.

Sir. FRANCIS BURDETT thought that it had been
long since dethonstrated that this Tak. was une-
qual, as falling as heavily on yearly income as on
permanent property. This tax hail been first laid
on as t temporary one, bat now it could hot be
doubted that it was intended to be Made perma-
nent. The country was still at peace, and. was
it, fair,
.11etvinild ask, to renew u war tax with-
out telling her whether war was or was not to be
renewed, The Ministers seemed to say to the
people, Give,us your money, ,and We %via give
you :tothing but ambiguity in return." The Noble
Lord ought to tell what he intends ti do—whe.
tber he intends peace or %var. Without doing so
could be expect that an already overburdened and
exlmusred country would he satisfied to, be still
burdened and exhausted fartlier. Ile suspected
that this was the first step to a war, which could
be very welt and honourably avoided and there-
fore that the war and the
1.0 support it
would be equally unjust. lie would not feel he
discharged his duty if be did not most solemnly
protest against such an odious and unjust tax
and- be feared that this would be a More calamitOus
war than any the country was ever enkagea
4itsINETT could
_not help COnSidering-
the
flicastti'e as a first step to a war, into which he
saw Driinisters endeavouring to inveigle the "mil_
try. lie never could consent to a rvir in favolir
of the unfortunate 1104 whti Were tety on tile:
throne of France ;. for however he pitied them,
be thought that this country should not be ount,;.

ed in a tremendous Conflict for tlretn.. the Noble
Lard t.efused to give any information, be refused
to tell s'vbether there had been an engagement be-
tween the Neapolitan and Austrian troops,' whe-
ther Rome had been taken by the Kiog of Nantes,
whether there was a general rising in Italy against'
the Austrians, or any other subject which would
lead to a judgment whether par or peace was most
likely, and yet he W'ould have the Htinie agree to
an odious and oppressive war.• He concluded by
entering- his protest. against the measure.
Mr. J. P. GRANT expressed his opinion that it
was not necessary now to go into the question of
adopting this tax. It was a tax most insulting
to the sense'and feelings of the country, and un-
less the greatest emergency could be made out for
its revival, the people had no right to submit. to
it: All minds, however, were-agreeil• as to 'the
necessity of adopting a state of defensive prepara-
tiou ; but though he had given his vote for this
purpose, ou the occasion of die Army Extraordi-
naries, he did 'not think that a case hail been
trade out which required the revival of this Ph
-
noxious tax. The question was, whether it was
to remain as long as .Buonaparte should continue
on the throne of France ? If this were the case, the
time of its cessation would be very equivocal. We
bad been told that a great peace establishun was
- necessary, even in the time that the Bourbons were
on
st.te throne, to provide against ally unforeseen
breach of any part of the Treaty ; but tt ere we
to be told, that because Buonaparte has regained
the throne of nonce, that the difference between
the peace establishment now and in the time of
the Bourbons is so great as to require thediffe-
rence between that establishment as it now stood,
an& the amount of the Income Tax.. If this' wet e
the case, Ministers mist have a very biAli opinion
of the situation of the country, to suppose it could
bear such an expenditure. Unless it were made
to Appear that war was absolutely necessary, or
that at must be looked for at no distant period, he,
could sce no reason for the resumption of the
• tax. But foe his own part he could not believe
that war was necessary. It was of very little
importance. whether the people of FranCe wet e
qttieScent or not ; Buonaparte had re-seated him-
self on the throne ; and if we were to go to war-
for the purpose of dethroning Min, this was a pur-
pose so totally hopeless, 'that unless the Gentle-
men opposite would convino him that such was
their intention, he must dissent from the re-enact.,
meat of a tax which was not justified by any pros-
pect now before the House or the country.
Mr. CALgamrr observed, that the return of
Buonaparie to France, undoubtedly muttered it
necessary to have the Peace establishment of this
Country higher than when we were looking to an
establishment of peace for a series of years.
Even in `this happy time, if it had occurred, he
was oropinion that a modified Property Tax
would have been better to meet the exigencies of
the period than the taxes proposed by the Chan-,
cellor of the Exchequer. But yet, if it had been,
or were now to be received, be would endeavour
to get many parts of -it Modified, as he had ever'
thought-it to be the most unjust, most cruel, and
inquisitorial measure that ever wits impiised
the greater portion of the people.• He Would cor-
dially 'agree as to the necessity or pu the
country into a state of the most effective defence ;
bat every man must know that the sums ,that are
necessary cannot be produced except by the Pro-
perry 'Fax. On voting, however, for the Speaker
leaving the Chair, he should not conceive himself
bound to support the measure as it had now been
proposed. . •
Mr. H. Matvrtx said, the Property Tax had
been found so universally oppressive,- that there
was not a person to be found out of that House
who slid not object to its revival ; and thespeech
of the Chancellor of the. Exchequer was very little
calculated to cleange their opinion. The Right
Hon. Gentleinan had not dealt fairly by the House
or the Public, if when he asked for the votes for
the Army V.;xtraordinaries, lie had it in contem-
plation to meet them With the Property-Tax.---
If a strict and regular economy had been intro-
duced into ex try branch of the public expenditure,
mighttlsll t with e‘e-ont ianygoitied against
Heshould i s t secooltlttregnet
the tax us it was now proposed ; bat in all its fu-

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titre stages he shonkt ileem it his duty to oppose
it, and throw, all possibla impediments in its way.
Alderman C. SMITH contended,' that the Pro-
perty Tax was a very good tax if properly levied.
Complaints had been madeabout its pressure up-
on persons. who lived on the interest of their
funded property ; di,sit it was known that' there
m ere persons who 'bad 300,0001. or 400,0001. in
the Stocks, who did; not live at a greater rate than
10011. a year. He. was convinced that nine per-
sons out Of fen without that' House would ap-
prove of that tax, ,if properly, Motll6ed—(Hear,
bear!) it might be, that there would be many
objections to it; but there mac always. people
who would object to any tax.
Mr. CIIARLF:k GRANT, jun. thought it was evi-
dent that a great chimge had taken place in the
public opinion re,4pecting this tax: He had'heard
a great deal of protesting this night on the sub-
ject, and he would also enter his protest, which
would be against converting the ways of meeting
the public expenditure into the medium of per:
sonal attaeks.upoo the Noble LorcL Was it de-
cent to anticipate the day of his trial, as it was
called, and go on to his condemnation ? They
might at least have delayed. their invectives till the
day of trial. He would eppeal to every ' man,
whether an emergency did not exist, which re-
ware(' an runis.mil expenditure, and that as far as
possible this shirail he met by theinpplies of the
year In spite of alt that had been said against
- the tax, he wo.Ald assert that it had been the most
productive and the least objectionable of any that
had ever been devised. •

Mt% MARRYATT Coll4lided that the tax would
fall with Utillsllal severity on the commercial mem-
bers of the country. Hu strongly deprecated the
conduct of the asseisors, who had nothing else to
do than to pry into every man's affairs to find
where ihey could make surcharges. Hoping,
however, that some modifications would be adopt-
ed, he should Support the motion ; but he also
hoped that the-Public would not in hiture be left
without some mode of 'appeal. He trusted that
Ministers would use every endeavour to preserve
peace that was eunsistent with the honour and
safety of the country, otherwise they talc^

upon titeMselves a most awful-tespOnsibility.would
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while the question remained undecided, he
agree that the country ought to be put in the ruost
complete state of defence ; and on this groend he
should vote for the Committee.
Mr. W. Satyru observed, that the reason why
be opposed the motion was, because lie agreed
perfectly with his constituents, that the tax should.
not be introduced under any modifications likely
to be imposed. He used. the words " likely to
be imposed," because he thought that, under cer-
tain modifications, no more effectual and excel-
lent tax could be-imposed ; but there should -be a
discrimination between the different kinds of pro-
perty, and the present vexatious mode of levying
the tax should be abolished. He, however, un
derstood that such modifications were inconvti-
ble with the nature of she,tax, and, consequeutTile
lyo
he would never consent to irs introduction.
tax likewise was unequally leVied, for propert
Trot worth three years purchase, paid the same per
tentage as that worth twenty years parchase.
e
Alderman ATKINS cousitlered the Property Tx,
under certain modifications, as the most pro Per
ever levied, but condemned the continuation of
it)
as lately exercised.
Mr. HARVEY recommended the introdueri" of
modifications in the Property Tax-, which woolo,
so regelitted, be one of ' the best possible; awl
.premised his assistanie in the Com:nit:cc to oh'
lain that object.
Mr. WasTeete took then pportunity then offered
of giving his most decided opposition to the Pro.
pert y Tax, in unv 31hapa. He would at all tetras
refuse his asSeut to a measure founded On such
tulll3eiup.stt.els'eriitwitlititelse,nshethtetioPerg7tel..(t)Vppirseasxs'iVwellic
atilt d't""!
Mr. K DIOENSON ho ed that some modificetica
necessary.
would have heen adopted, perticularly R
hi the wade
ent. was
of ascertaining a criterion of property.
-mot a propetoee, for different persons-would ,eve
different report of even landed property, awl at
p
the present time no men could tell with accuracy
what hi,eproperty was, front one cad of the year
to the other. ,
Mr. Rose thought a Committee the best rnal.e
of examining the measure, and there it would
,Stebe
found that the Property Tax eras the m''
'fecud that could be proposed. Notwithstanding,
the many assertions made that its operatioo loa
cramped propeity, the fact was, in reality., thl
:11::yubiliei,ilt icno,vdedhbtee.
during its continuance landed pi-011°4Y In"
ald dewnascoantsauxm
an experience of 30 years, he had Constantly ob••
for during
served, that in. taxes laid on articles-of conSumr:
Lion, every one hadfdrawn three times as much !c
was obteined by the Government. Liven in
the
taxes lately propoSed by the Chancellor of ta:
the Property tpateioporieferable to
i
Exchequer, it would 1:, found that nine out ofitr
would ply treble as much as would be requirebi :if
tax the !untied property of the k
Tax. He stated that but Itic Llef
ingdom
,ritethreev
per cents.. had fallen below 49,
have been annihilated previous to it. oot
the Government had borrowed.6oo millions* vio..
Mr. BRI.ND thought any discussion on tbe, , as
perty Tax, at the present time, as prettedme
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chset , 47, , .
‘l' a I the proposition itself ; but he must
that the tax was, in many hwances,
mostextretouLrq.
objectionable, and such as a case of the case
gent neeessity• alone could justify. No suet
v.
the Horse,
l.!
had, however, been laid before . soh
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it was not even asserted, bet that peace may
re sails
be secured. He thought that if it tvsnen,"s,oaid
at present, to raise any immbie ums, it 1%1, ,
,t
be much .more advisable to meet the exigencYre) 3
Vote of Credit, than by imposing so scvc,o„el
and yet since
Tax. He allowed that the Property '1"". '" the
raise the. most effectual supplies, as big the
most general 'system of confiseati°"' .1
g "best,
event of war it would undoubtedly bp th'-‘,l tely
hut it had not appeared! that war was - a's- ,us ea
-necessary. He would, however, proP°"' ',::. the
Property Tax Act be pOst ied to that day tart'
Amendment—‘, That the consideration el
pot
night." after 3.
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Mr. FOLEY seconded the Amendment, „ilea
few brief observations to the effect that "the c
, - ass"
try did not now possess the same abilitY t° P '
the tax that it Itad for some years Past.
eot to
Mr. TIE.INEY said, he should not coos jo.,
the Speaker's leaving' the Chair, 'unless sel"
hardship of
.the farmer,
formation were given of' a decisive nattire.
seote,
Mr. IVHITBREAD repeated his former
coo
meats on the subject, and dwelt on the Ye call°
eel on to pay 71 per cent. although ahnost ru :a
and obliged to livethe interest of his full 11:,
upon viva "-
property, if he had any. After repeating t , d
. bserve '
had said in reprehension of subsidies be ° To
.chat if a war should eusue, the Prollert): 14
who would noW ne ird,
would be saddled on- the people of °l's --)11 la" .
foe ever--(Laud . of 9 'llte
ucries Na,N no, n°;,:, id tli_
come Tax would produce fourteen Mit""srag to
utmost ; and, 10 the first instance, accortt ove
the Treaty cf Chaumont, we were to Ta): Id
millioi)s to the• Allies, for one year's sti°sl.'ve" nine
it was even rumoured that- we Were t° gi.",noot,
their nerves, fo that degree of energY
milliOne to the coalesced Prkiers, t° sti` boala
impel them to gO to war. It was cleart that
60-ply
whole depended on this cOuntry, anti ',llea, Coe"
believed that if Ministers cold(' stimntateo`,lo ass'
tinent to war agaitist France, they-wow:1, be tar
He denied that the PrOperty fax cow('
id con•
lified . so as to be rendered
.palatoble, atilt
demnel the, sevaitv with which it had in
been.enforced. Vel ° *P
Lord (.`
- —ASTI.CREA.GIi rose vied rePe- ' ; atioa.
Whitbread in a style of considerable ,''`Ancl it
He ,observed that the Hon. Member bo "a 0 ar •
more convenient to discuss the question °n da•
. . t fowl
Whichs to
stimption of his own than upon rationos , levee,
Hall. If iestead of opposing the Spe3l'el, !Ivo
ing the Chair, lie had permitted him to lic.riewb.
be would have fottad that his Right Offil. oval at
instead of intending to propose
the Prone; ty Tax in perpetuity, wbetbe.e_
re pre
the re" to the
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.con. not place us within the reach. of tltt stror.7
an which he possessed, then it might be 'said
that our preparations were soperfluons. But if
they were of a contrami opinion, then they would
tise their own discretion in enabling. the Exe-
cutive Government to provide proper means of
security. Alluding to certain pointed sarcasms of
in the lion. Gentleman, Which be bad thrown out
the course of the evening, the Noble Lord o
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served, that. if he was only to be taunted and.pro-
hy the Honburable Member respecting in-
he mation, lie trusted vie Muse would feel that
should best consult their and his own.dig-
ult.y by remaining silent, and not suffering him-
tell to he provoked. In split! of all the taunts and
..p.ropliteies of the' Honourable Gentleman, Mi-
I.Usters had carried the country triumphantly
!trough a war, of which the Hon. Member had
14()fe"ed his despair of ever being brought to a sue-
IWO issue, amid had even feared- lest the liberties
this country might be laid at the feet of the
treat mail, who ruled the destinies of the Con-
It was a proud thing to say, that while
!'" People of England were making such great
;',erifiees, that the result Of the Income Tax had
art to dOuble the value of the whole property of
the conotr—qtlear !) And if there has been. a
Qatporary reduction of late in the value of this
itn' TcrtY, do not let the Hon. Member endeavour
0 aiake au impression on the country that !its
lalue in.,ty not augment, if the presioing. wisdom
•11(1 firmness of Parliament was only exercised as
it hitherto
,had bee'', and if the House, was but
trilc "" itself. Let them only pursue the same
course which had already produced such glorious
results, and he would venture to predict that they
would sotto hive to congratulate themselves on
*tinil'ar successes, as great as those which had so
lately crowned their' follows% and perseverance—
(l,oud and reiterated cheers from all parts of the
Douse.)
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Mr. WHITBREAD explained.
Mr. PROTHEROE said, that in: his opinion it
as Solids tax we were principally indebted for
that vigour which carried us so gloriously and
triumphantly through the war. Whatever bur-
-4503 it was necessary to bear, for the preserva-
tan of the honour and safety of the country, he
It" "rt. the Pple would reily sub mit . e
Zuuld not stopeo at pre,ent toad ask abou ttheto probHa-
jilities Of war, but from the conduct of his Ma-
esty's' Minister, hitherto, he was prepared to
tlie
Place every confidence-in Oulu.- He was snre that
Powerful confederation for the presereatinn of
filrope looked to this country for cordial eo-ope-
Ntioa,•and he hoped this country would not be
felted back ward.
M
lERNEY entered his protest against the
Property Tax. He thought we might yet con-
tinue at peace, and he evold not agree that the •
111 college of uegociators nt Vienna should mete out
I's-Property of the pZniple of England at their
,
I"caittre. He certainty did understand front the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, that the Tax was
Iltisst to be renewed without the recurrence of war.
4elf a Tax should not at least be, rezilewed, and
when the prhper time should arrive, he Would
'thew a case for its renewal. :The Noble Lord had
laid,,that after it was renewed,
and when the
proper time should 'arrive he would spew a case,
pitnil economy would be resorted to. He thought
eace was within our reach, if
We did-not throw'
It away. We should at least take tbe chance' of
Peace,v and "'tot resort to the dreadful alternative
`.! war. while-it could he avoided, He was not
itlsPosed to. put over great confidence in Ntona-
rc'te, nor coul4 he entirely repose it in the ne-
P'ciuting•tritonvirate, Prince Harden erg, rinc
,ttaleyrand, and the Noble Lord. Ile most so` -
nattily protested against the measure. •
The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER wished to
avoid unnecessary discitssion. . He was studipui to
avoid those points that had no relation to the mo-
ti,l'o lnitneiiiatelybefore the House, and regretted
leaf many such points bad, been introduced nse-
!,NY during the debate. What was -the object of
" Present motion ? Nothing more than merely
following up the Address to, the message from the
P'l"ee Regent. -There the' House hal approved
Sn augmentation of his Majesty's forces by sea
IL" ta,;,l. Hoillf-conld this beeffected without the tteessary supplies ! and these were precisely what
Uras'songltt by the present motion.—(Heart hear! )
lle asked nothing- more than tile redemption of; the
pledge alreadylaitl at the foot of the Throne—
kilear ‘V hat was asked, he had no doubt, the
country would grant with zeal and alacrity. Pre-
.l4tratiou alone could preserve peace, if peace could
be preserved. He believed there, were few,: either
1"Ile 'House or out of it, Who could entertain
the same doubts as the Right Honourable Gen-
11Catan (Mr. Tierney) appeared to entertain op-
" the 'onestirm of Buouaparte's room being
eMattlity to Europe. All Nations must, itt con.
ti"ltrerlee"of that event, be fully armed. He had
"eewadvised to preserve the tax hi some shape,
before recent e,vents had occurred, and was
It7r.i.,bt. "battled of his want of foresight having a
-"Jerent opinion. The present course he consi-
dered justified, even titlanut any. apprehension of
4.1 v • t,
84r. by the practice of keeping up, Si al TaX '
one year, for the purpose of winding ttp the
accounts. Even though he bad admitted
to he exclusively tt )Var Tax, yet the extra-
"rdinary and unprecedented state.in which we
irere noW placed, would amply justify its renewal
r;ontinuance. He was not favourable to rely-
ng-slelv upon Loant,.by which the hostilities of
e year might be provided for and with respect
to the petitions, it was obvious that the ciremn-
Istances in which the country was plaCed, the exi-
-s"cies of the pghlic services had been mate-
'l44 'changed since the petitioners had made
11,11 their minds as to the Property Tax. The
I(l°.ieet of the petitioners was, that it should not
le 'made a permanent nix in time of peace. (Hoar,
Ife denied, in answer to all flan. Nem.
taxed(Mr IVhitbread) that he bad abandoned the-
,
~I"vt he had already proposed. Of the: Customs,.
-"l"xelse Takes he had only given up the ooty
witie3, withtl %it:At.' to conithercial not financial-
treresta• He won't! certainly certainly not persevere in
ll'e Assessed Taxes-, if the PriyertY Tax were re- •
l‘vied tt , as it would be" hardship to pay, botle-
',l,Vaukh). He did not 'consider the Irish Chan
of the Exettegner as giving anypledge that
1,11" tax should not equally extend to•lreland, and
e thottglirthat it %%?' Id be the interest of both,.
Si~tantrUg to unite their griOwins onelldlilue anti

bOttnion resources, instead ot. separate treasuries,
as now exiited: He thought it unjust that a man
should be one-tenth richer on- one side of the
LChitnnel than on the dater.
' Mr;TtERNEY in explanation, denied that he
expressed a doubt-of the return of Baohaparte
being an What he said was; that &lona-
partes' return being an evil or. not was not the
question before the House, but whether a stA-
cient cause-Was laid by Ministers for. renewing
the Property Tax. _The insinuation of the Right
Hon. Gentleman was received as it deserved by
the: House.
:The CHANCEI.LOIt of.the..Excamusa-sitid a few
words in explanation, which could not be heard
distinctly in the gallery.
Mr. Batici...sy thought it necessary that the
country should be in a state of defence against the
rapaciotts.aplrit of the French soldiery, ivho, front
the mere love of foreign-plunder,
.preferred Boo-
naparte to the the, The Property Tax was
the only effectual mode of providing for it, but
he wished and understood that some modification
would be proposed in the mode of collecting it.
I The Cussiciit..Lon of. the EXCHEQUER, to pre-
vent any misconception on the latter point alio&
etlao. by the Hon. Member, stated that it was' his
intention to continue the tax without any 'there-
: tion whatever.. •
7,4 Mr. PONSONBY said, he was one of those who
thonght. that if the House should vote the Pro-
perty Tax without its being shewu. that war was
ituavoidable, that tax would become perpetual,
for every future Chancel lot oft he Exchequer would
do all in his power to make it so. As to modiii•
cations, it would be impossible to make any con-
sistent . with the efficiency of the tax. Another,
objection was, the facility it affoi'detl to Ministers,
to enter upon ivar MO other .expensive measures
to which it was an absolute provocation. He
askid if thii Chancellor of- the Exchequer, would
say that he might not advert to a loan as well as
the Property Tax, and if lie could, not.say no, why
not take part of that loan iww, and thus 'supply,
the present exigency? The Noble Lord complained
of stone things that had been said this, night, he
also complained, that it was impossible to tell when
the Noble Lord would think it a proper day to lay
. before the House all the Papers relative to the pro..
ceedings of the. Congress, though they were daily
making their appearance through other channels.
The Noble Lord's Letter to-Prince Llardenberg was
true ; he also thought his letter to Prince Talley-
rand was true; and that the letter of the Plenipo-
tentiaries'of the King of Naples. was true. He
was induced to think so because none,of them had
been denied ; and from the whole of these he
t nought from his soul and -conscience that the No •
ble Lord and the Congress had 'been the means of
now placing Buonaparte on the throne. The let-
ter of the Prince Talleyrand was a jesuitical pro-
duction, aS it related to Naples: Nothing was
more natural than for Murat to look to what ap-
,peared his best security. Had the agreement 'with
him been, executed could have bad no pretence
nor temptation to act as he-is stated to have
done. .Indeed, it wai generally understood, that
he , had no predilection for Buonaparte', who
wished to 'add Naples to his kingdom of Italy.—
If the Noble Lord Could chew hint (Mr. I'.) that.
be
.was wrontz., be should be happy, boll' for the
bottom
,of this country and for the interests of
Europe. ,He had given his reasons already against
the Property Tax, which he never could look at
in a favourable light.
The CHANCELLOR of the• EXCHEQUER stated
the object of his motion, which was to enact the
Property Tax for one year. It was said that an
emergency would never be wanting for, the per-
petuation of the tax ; but it ought to be consi,
dered-wbether such circumstances had ever oc-
curred as those of the present times-. The re-
sources and energies ofthe country, he was happy
to say, had gone on with the increased demands.
The House would judge whether all the energies
of the country.w,ere or were not required in the
present crisis. No new mid untried system was
now proposed ; but one which had been expe-
rienced, and which, with its inconveniencies, had
been pursued without detriment to the public in-
terests. The Committee was only asked for that
night on the question of principle, and, lint for
details. Respecting the question of a large Loan,
there- could. be no doubt of the propriety of check-
ing the increase of the Funded Debt, which tend-
ed to impair public credit. There was tin wisdom
in.burthen-ing posterity by measures which would
at once endanger_ posterity and ourselves.
Mr. METHUEN and Mr. FRREMANTLE made
some remarks. •
Lordi‘IILTON was not 'disposed to consent to
plunge the nation into a war, in order to ascer-
tain if it. could not . have remained- at peace.
The course pursued by this country must neees,
study be in a great measure shaped by that of the
other Powers •of Mtrope. He should vote 'for
postponing the proceedings otl .this subject till
farther informAtion could he commuoicated to the
house respecting our foreign. relations.
Lord LASCELLES thought this country should
not spew any backwardness, if war should be ne-
cessary:. He should be sorry. that this country
should appear to be at all influenced by the insi-
thous letters and de-clarations of the present French
GOsernment. He might hesitate with respect to.
the question of a war ; but he felt that the with-
holding of the present request would be injurious
to the public literests 9l Europe, and to our own •
defence,. should it be necessary to- resort to hos-
tilities. .
The House divided on the amendment-
- I:4pes, 183—Ayes, 53--,Majurity,,liii.
On re-opening the gallery, the House was in
the Committee,. and the resolutions proposed by,
the Chancellor of the Exchequer were passed..
The Report to .be received to-morrow, and the
ComMittee to sit again on Friclay.—Adjourned.

One of the Paris Papers contains the follow-
ing :—" A Colonel of the Imperial.thlard placed
a wolf. which he had carried off,' about a year
since, at the: Menagerie. This Colonel who ac-
conyaniell the E.kmunott, during -his visit to the
tiarden cat Plants., was recognized by the woSf,
who beeatue restless in his env. By the doire
the Colonel the cage was opened, and the:grate-
ful animal expressed by a thousand signs the joy
occasioned by the presence of his beuefactor..'

FORE IGN INTELLIGENCE.

HAMBURGH MAIL.

'‘,IENNA, APRIL 5.-The news which arrived
here on the all from AMMO, where Murat was
I in person, was of a very agreeable nature ; and
besides this, his negociators, who are here now,
had -Oftcially annottpced that they were antha;.
rised to declare to the Allied Power's, that the.
Kin!;, their master would iminediate!ymake_cont-
mon cause with them, if, on their side, they would
guarantee him his dominions as they were deter-
mined in former treaties. This proposal was well
received', -and couriers were dispatched to Berlin
and other Courts to bring the news of this turn in
, .
the negotiations. -
The statements of Murat's military force_ are
very far beyond
„the truth. The Neapolitims•are
nut much attached to,him ; and it he should place
himself in a state of hostility With the Allies, he
Would be forced to leave garrisons in all the cities,
and strictly to guard the coasts, by which his army
in the field would be so much reduced, that it
would cease to be fat midble.
Buonaparte's sister, Paulina Borghese, his
mother Letitia, and his brother-in-law Bacciochi,'
formerly Prince of Pioinbiiio, have been brought
from Italy to Hungary. .
Filo N'T! ERS OF ITALY;, APRIL 3.----Soine accounts
say that Murat has taken possugsion of Rome in
th,e name of the pretended King oflrome.
VIENNA, APRIL s.—Murat was, by the last ac-
counts, at Vesaro.—We -expect every day the re-
opening of the German Committee. Since Austria
has-given in a declaration to the united Princes
and free cities, exactly similar to that of Prussia ;.:
'Tolland will now probably take n part in the
German Committee, on account of Luxembourg;
the same is hoped of Denmark, .on
.account of
Holstein : Baden, and Darmstadt, who did not
sign the note of the Princes of the 22d of March,
had previously offered their contingents. Siuce
the alliance between the four great Powers, se!.
vend conventions of the same tenant have been
concluded with other Powers. Denmark gives an
army of 25,000 men ;--and has offered 40,000; if
it can be assisted by a subsidy in .the equipment
and maintenanca of such force. On the receipt
of the very first news of Buottaparte's landing,
Alexander said, " The thing is trifling, if we do
not treat it as a trifle." . .

BERLIN; • APRIL 1 I Sunday evening,
Field-Marshal Prince Blucher, Who set off yes-
terday. for the army; was complimented by torch
light with a solemn Vivat•by all the.garrison, with
Prince Charles of Mecklenburg,: ComMander of.
the guards; at their bead, accompanied by the e
hands of all the regiments here. Luis Royal
Highness the Crown Prince had before paid a visit
to the Field-Marshal to take leave of him ; a great
many of the principal inhabitants came to con-
gratulate him and wish hint success on his new
glorious destination. Even the Royal Princesses
surprised hint with the honottr of a visit, ,
BRast.Su, Amt. 8.---Tile Russian army of
reserve of 80,000 men, which will be stationed in
Bavaria, is to march through this city at the end
of this month. The march of troops by Torgau
and Steinau has continued already above eight
days. The whole army that will pass through our
province is stated to be 245,000 men.
DRESDEN, APRIL 5 -7-Some papers having
spread a report of disorder in Dresden, which had
ceased vigorous measures to be necessary, this re-,
port is formally and officially contradicted by the
Prussian General Government.

WARSAW, APhIL 6.—The day before yesterday
the Polish General Krukowrecki arrived here from
Vienna,
with the news, that. the existence of the
kingdom of Poland is finally decided. This un-
expected and agreeable news caused uncommon.
joy here. ' new piece was performed at the
Theatre, taken front the Polisit history ; and at
those passages which, suited the occasion, there
was a general cry of " Lung live. Alexander
In the evening the' whole city was illutainaterh
We do not know
.yet what are to lie the bOtin-
darks of the kingdom of Poland ; General Km-
kowrecki was littvly in Englund, whither be was
sent to receive the Polish prisoners of war.
BERLIN, Arm 1 Majesty has' signed
the letter,: -patent fur the taking possession of the
Grand Duchy of the Lower Rhine, the7Dne'hies
of Cleves, Berg, and Glielders, the Principality of
Moers, and the Lordships of Essett and Werdeu.

FRENCH IMPERS,

PARIS, APRIL
TELEGRAPHIC DISPATCH.

THE DUKE OF ALBUVERA TO TIIRMINISTIIII AT WAR.
" Pionx, 4pril Ili, 1 a 15,

"On thel2d, the city of Alay.scilles, on the
invitation of the '4.llarshal nince Essling, and
without waiting for the `the arrival of troops,
hoisted the tri-coloured flag. It flies since the 10th
.at Dragnignan and Antibes."
At noon, this news was announced to the ca-
pital by the discharge of 100 cannon, fired by the
artillery of the Invalids.

His Majesty this flay reviewed the National
Guard of Paris, composed of 12 legions, 'form-
48battalions : 24 battalions were drawn up in
the Court of the Palace of the Thuilleries, and
the 'nther.24 hi- the Place du Carrousel. 'When
the 24 first battali6ns were reviewed, they closed ;
the others- eot\eyed the court, 'anti faced in their
rear. The emiperor passed in 'succession through
mil the rank!, and stopped fOr 'some - time before
each bett49ll, The officers at length forming a
circle, his Majesty ;lath et,sed them nearly in-these