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the principle of the Bill was good, why not extend it to
?
At',a•r a few words from :,Ir. ADDERLEY and Mr.
PA.L3IEn.
r. CHRISTOPHER exprg=Qsecl himself in favour of
the Bill.
Mr. CURTEIS considered that fl-gging ought to be
a•itninis'ered in the presence of two or three na,,gistrates.
He was gen.rally adverse to the system of flogging.
Mr. DUG DALE said that be hoped the Honourable
Member would not divide the House on the question. In
fact, he considered that the Member for Finsbury had
made the speech most in favour of the Bill, for he said
that the boy would never forget it.
Mr. WAKLEY said that, in his opinion, flogging had
a bad effect upon the character, and the boy that w.s
fl..gged for stealing; a few apples might be renthred a
burglar by the fact.
Mr. B. ESCOTT said that the question was, whether
that' should :;object boys to the pailiskinent which, in
the opinion of some of the most scientific men, was hurt-
ful and dangerous.
After a few words in explanation from Mr. TRE-
LAWNY,
The gallery was cleared for a division, when there ap-
peared—
Against the amendment
For it
Majority against the amendment — 43
On our re almission we found

Mr. BODKIN moving that all the words from the
word '• with," in the third line, to the word "judge," in
the fifth line, bp omittf cl.

Sir J. PAKINGTON said that the powers given in
this clause were only similar to the powers already in
existence. If the House gave this power, they would
enable magistrates to punish offenders properly, with-
out avoiding the infliction of proper punishment, or the
bad alternative of. sending to the House of Correction.
Mr. WAKLEY hoped that care would be taken, if
the provision was put in force at all, that it should
apply equally to all classes, and that the children of
both rich and poor should have the benefit of a good
wholesome flogging.—(A laugh.)
After a few words from the ATTORNEY-GENERAL,
which did not reach the gallery,
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—

For the amendment
Against it
Majority

- 3

The clause was awn ;greed to.
On clause 4 being proposed,
Mr. WAKLEY suggested, that in the case of a justice
issuing his warrant for the apprehension of a party, the
evidence of the party on whose oath the warrant was
granted shouid be taken in writing.
After a few words from the ATTORNEY-GE-
NERAL the amendment was withdrawn, and the clause
was agreed to.
Clauses up to 14 were agreed to.
On clause 15 being. proposed,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he rose to ex
plain the rea-;on why the Committee had adopted the
course they had done on this matter. They considered
that if they gave full costs they would be encouraging
prosecutions, and if they gave none they would be sup-
pressing prosecutions, and therefore they thought it
right to steor a middle course.
After some conversation the clause was agreed to.

The remaining elauseA of the Bill were agreed to, and
the report was ordered to be brought up to-morrow.
POOR AND HIGHWAY RATES EXEMPTION.

On the motion for tLe second reading of this Bill,
Mr. P. SCROPE said th it the principle of this Bill
should be applied to local as well to general
taxation. It had been found extremely diffi-
cult to collect rates from the poor, and by the
24th of George HI the poorer occupier was exempted
from the pa) ment of local taxes. The result of not
adopting this course had been productive of the greatest
inconvenience and expense. He proposed to apply the
same simple process with respect to the collection of the
local rates that was its operation with respect to the col-
lection of the general rates. He thought the system
of taxation should be placed upon a regular footing.
He concluded by quoting an extract from a work of Mr.
Piget, stating that in the south of England whilst the
population was increasing at the rate of 200,000 a year,
cottages were decreasing. Poor families were obliged
to use one roam in common, and it was the duty of the
House to afford them an opportunity of having two
or more rooms, to encourage the building of cottages,
and so promote the comfort and happiness of the indus.
trions portion of the people. Speculators in house
buildings were frequently aspersed, but be considered
that they were pubiic benefactors.
Sir GEORGE GREY agreed with his Hon. Friend
that increased cottage accommodation should be afforded
to the poor, but he did not think the Bill would accom-
plish this object. Ile had referred to the evidence of
Mr. Pigot, but he seemed to have forgotten that the
greater number of small cottages were exempt from the
payment of rates. Then, if it were passed, a direct en-
couragement would be given to speculators in house
property. By it the assessing of cottages to pay rates
would be left on a very uncertain basis, because it would
rest; upon the account paid for rent and upon the evi-
dence of surveyors at Quarter Sessions. He thought,
therefore, that it would introduce many evils, and
as he strongly objected to it, he felt it his •
duty to urge upon the House not to accede to the second
reading.
The motion having been put,
Mr. WAKLEY said it appeared to him that the Bill
would net accomplish the object which the Hon. Gentle-
man had in view. It was true that the poor were un-
duly rated, and that the rich were in many cases exempt.
—(" Hear, hear," from Mr. Scrope.) But the lion. Gen-
tleman seem, d to forget that the cottages, in but tew
instances, belonged to the parties who occupied them ;
that they belonged often to rich persons, and they screwed
them down to pay an exorbitant rent. The subject,
however, was fraught with many difficulties ; and he
trusted that the lion. Goa tleman, who had brought for-
ward the Bill with the best motives, would withdraw it,
and that the Government would bring forward a Bid on
the subject in a future session of Parliament.--(Hear.)
Sir J. FAKING I'ON said his Hon. Friend the Mem-
ber for Suffelk had brought forward a Bill on the same
subject, but it was opposed by the Government, and now
when the Hon. Gentleman the Member for Stroud

mooted a similar measure, he also was opposed. The
poor throughout the whole country were suffering
much from the present state of the law, and he
trusted that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir G. Grey)
wetiki take the whole subject into his consideration
and in a future session introduce a measure to remedy
the existing evils.
Colonel WOOD quoted an extract from the evidence
of Mr. Gulson, to show the injurious effect of exempting
cottages from the payment of rates. It was 0
,he effect that a considerable sum of money was
borrowed by parties from the corporation of Coventry
for the purpose of building cottages for the poor.
the parties made 121 per c:.nt. out of them, because
they were exempt from the rates, and they chargod
Id and 2d. more for some of them in consequence of
-his exemption. The result was, that a rate of 17s. 61.
in the pound was levied upon other persons, who loudly
complained of the hews/ -tax thus placed upon them,
whilst an immense nuint..er of cottages of this kind were

entirely exempt from the payment of r ices.
Mr. P. SCROPE said, atter what had passrd he should
withdraw the Bill, but in doing so, he trusted that the
Governiu,nt would take the euhject into their own hands.
Bill withdrawn accordingly.
MEDICAL BE'.3ISTItATION AND MEDICAL
____
_LA %V AMENDMENT BILL.

Mr. WAKLEY bezgid leaved to po,tpone this Bill,
as the evidence taken hetore the Medical Committee
%%as not prepared. Re did believe that a very valuable
report would be laid before the Boutin in the course of a
few days.
The Ball was then postponed till Monday week.
Mr. WAKLEY moved that all petitons presented
for or against the Bill, should be referred to the Select
Committee.—Agreed to.
ROYAL MARINE `;ERVICE BILL.
This Bid was read a second time, and the third read-
ing was fixed for Thursday next.
MEDICAL REGISTRATION BILL.
Mr. B. HAWES presented twenty-four petitions from
various places in favour of the Medical Registration
Bill and the Health of Towns Bill.
The House then adjourned.

RAILWAY COMMITTEES.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.--(YESTERDAY.)

GROUP 11.

This Committee met at the usual hour this morning.
unstincT LONDON AND I'OILTSWIOUTII
(DEVIATION LINE).

The preamble to this Bill having been proved, and the
clauses disposed of,
THE DIRECT LONDON AND PORTSMOUTH AND
LONDON AND BRIGHTON AND SOUTH COAST
AMALGAMATION BILL
was proceeded with.
At the close of the evidence the Committee decided that
the preamble had not been proved.
READING. GUILDFORD, AND REIGATE
( D EVI ATIONS).
This case was then gone into. After hearing evidence in
its favour and the opposiiion,
The Committee decided that the preamble bad been
prolred, bat they would take care that clauses were intro-
duced into the Bill to secure to the Direct London and
Portsmouth Company all the privileges which they now
enjoy under existing Acts and agreements.
he Committee then adjourned.

GROUP VI.

WI LTS, SOPSZTLSZT. AND 177EYMOUTII

AMENDMENT (NO. XI.)

Mr. Charles Russell, chairman of the Great Western Com-
pany, was examined at considerable length on the
subject of an agreement entered into, by the suggestion
of the Board of Trade, in 1845, restraining the
Great Western and South •Western Companies from making or
prom-ting airy railway beyond:the !Units then fixed by the
Board of 'frade, the branch of which had been charged upon
ii,e soutt:-i\, vial Company.
-12,ueir P.X4IIII:' oioc occupied the whole of the day.
-;.!,! -.t:i.ni.. l : e ~,j,urtied till ' welve o'clock to-morrow.
name
0_ net:ev, a carrier of Slidll,ld, was examined to the
they,
een stationt oo k p
lace wouldas
Shettleid.
discussion
...,rn re tas the last witness. an,l deposed to the great ac-
commodation which
A long disru. •
givet
o iteot whether thet°w Don
nonf
Navigation Company had anyCe t Incur standi against the line Or
not. Mr. Sergeant Kinglike
and Mr. Sergeaut wr,oarn that
oltV th ,t the company bad
The Committee decided that, the eey had not.
strotdi to be heard beli,re the o.mmitteten.M'anY had no locus
The Committee then adjfairtied till Friday at twelve
•o'c!•ck.

• GIZOI,I' 111.
T rn
he Committee met this morning at twelve o'cloLk (La
Earl of Lincoln in the chair), and immediately proceeded t:
the consideration of the clauses of the Bill.

LONDON, THURSDA Y MORNING, JUNE 3, 1847.

MEDALS FOR THE ARMY AND
NAVY.
(Frcm the Stmp'ernent to the London Ga2Cik)
GENERAL ORDER.
HORSE-GUARDS, JUNE 1, 1847.
Her Tilajei having been graciously pleased to com-
mand tha; a medal sheuld be struck to record the ser-
vices of her fleets and armies during the wars cum-
me.,cing in 1793, and ending in 1814, and that on"
should Ise conferred upon every officer, non-commissioned
officer, and soldier of the army who was present in any
battle or siege, to commemorate which medals had been
struck by command of her Majesty's royal predecessors,
arid had been distributed to the general or superior
officers or the several armies and corps of troops engaged,
in conformity with the regulations of the service at that
time in force; general and other officers, nemcommis-
sioned officers, and soldiers, who consider that they have
claims to receive this mark of their Sovereign's gracious
recollectim of their services, and of her desire to record
the same, are each to apply to the Secretary of the Board.
of General Officers, Whitehall, London, and to send, in
writing, to the same officer, a statement of his claim,
for what action, at what period of time, and the names of
the persons, or the titles of the documents, by which the
claim can be proved. _ _

These claiuis are to be sent, by General Officers having
such claims, through the hands of the Commander-in
Chief of the Army.

The Sniff Officers having such claims, through the
General Officer under whom they served, if alive; if not
alive, through the Adjutant-General of the Army.
Officers, non-commissioned officers, and soldiers of
regiments, battalions, and detachments, through the
Commanding Officer of the regiment, battalion, or de
tachment time,at9thetheagents
ifs
of thetillalive.
rel'himisewntillrebseidkennotwin
on known
by inquiry
lirY t
If such Commanding Officer should not be
alive, the application, in writing, must be sent through
the Adjutant-General of the Army.
The Beard of General Officers is hereby, by her
Majesty's command, directed to take into consideration,
to investigate the facts stated in each of these several
applications, and to report to the Commander-in-Chief
upon the same, for the information of her Majesty, and
to enable those commanded by her Majesty to deliver to
the claimants the medals accordingly.
The Adjutant-General and the Military Secretary of
the Commander-in• Chief will transmit to the Secretary
of the Board of General Officers such information as they
may have been able to acquire, to assist in the investiga-
tions which the Board will have to make.
The Commander-in-Chief has been required to desire
that the Board of General Officers will have alphabetical
lists made cut of the names of the claimants to one of
these medals, with his rank, and the name of the particu
lar battle cr siege for which he claims to receive the
same, inserted in the margin, and at which the Board
of General Officers may consider that he was present.
The occasions for which medals have been grenred
by the Sovereign are specified below for gi neral in-
formation and guidance, as at page 73, of the Annual
.4: my List.

13i command of Field-Marshal the Duke of Welling
ton, Commander-in• Chief,
JOHN MACDONALD, Adjutant-General.

Mgida, 4th July; 1806.
Roleia, 17th August, 1808. •
Viniiera, 21st August, 1808.
Saiitiguni• Benevt.nte,:D c.mber and January, 1809.
Corunna, 1611 January, 1809.
Martinique, February, 1809.
Talavera, 27th and 28th July, 1809.
Guadaloupe, January and February, 1810.
Busaco, 27th September, 1810.
Barrosa, sth March, 1811.
Fuentes d'Onor, sth Ma.„ 1811.
Alhuera, 16th May, 1811.
Java, August and September, 1811.
Ciudad Roderigo, January, 1812.
Bad joz, 17th March and 16th April, 1812.
Salamanca, 22t1 July, 1812.
Fort Detroit, America. August, 1812.
Vittoria, 21st June, 1813.
Pyrenees, 28th July to 2d August, 1813.
St. Sebastian, August and September, 1813.
Chateauguay. America, 26th Octobtr, 1813.
Nivelle, 10th November, 1813.
Chrystler's Farm, America, 11th November, 1813.
Nive, 9th to 13th December, 1813.
Orthes, 27th February, 1814.
Toulouse, 10th April. 1814.