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THE WELLINGTON MILITARY MEMORIAL.
—ln the List of Subscriptions advertised on Thursday the name
of Sir Thos. Shaw, Bart., was erroneously printed for Sir Jas.
Shaw, Bart., 50/.
TESTIMONIAL TO THE LATE LORD MAYOR.
—On Thursday a very elegant entertainment was given to Alder-
man Wilson, the late Lord Mayor, at the Albion Tavern, upon
the occasion of presenting hint with a splendid piece of plate in
testimony of the admiration in which his exertions during his
Mayoralty were held, Sir Francis Ommanney in the Chair.
THE ATTEMPTED ASSASSINATION OF HER
MAJESTY AND PRINCE ALBERT.—Thursday afternoon Mr.
Peiham, the solicitor engaged to defend Oxford, received,
through the penny post, a letter, in the prisoner's handwriting,
of which the following is a verbatim copy :--
" islewgate, June 18, 1840.

" My dear Sir,—Have the goodness to write to Lord Nor-
manhy and ask him to let me have some books to read—such
as Jack the Giant Killer,' Jack and the Beanstalk,' Jack
and his Eleven Wives,' My little Tom Thumb,' The Ara-
bian Nights' Entertainments,' and all such books from such
celebrated authors. And ask him, as a prisoner of war, whether
I may not be allowed on a parole of honour, and on what
grounds, ask him, dar he detain one of her Majesty's subjects.
" I remain respectfully,
" EDWARD OXFORD.

" To Mr. Pelham, solicitor, Gravel-lane, London."
The letter has been forwarded to the Marquis of Normanby.
JEWS OF DANfASCUs.—We find in the Smyr-
na Journal a letter addressed to the 'editor by Mr. G. Wildon
Pieritz, one of the missionaries for the convers:en of the Jews,
belonging to the London Society. This gentleman had been
sent from London to Alexandria and Damascus, in order to in-
quire into the case ; and the result of his examination on the
spot is his conviction of the total innocence of the Jews, and of
the reprehensibility of the French Consul's conduct in direct-
ing the persecution against them. He adds that M. do Malvi-
zes, the gentleman sent by M. Cochelet from Alexandria to in-
quire into M. Ratti Menton's conduct at Damascus, is very
unfit for the mission, being a much younger man than M.
Ratti Menton (only 25), and totally unacquainted with legal
matters.
MR. BAINES AND HIS OPPRESSORS.--By
an announcement made through our advertising columns by
the Committee of the Leicester Voluntary Church Society, it
appears that the Court of Queens Bench have given judgment
against Mr. Baines. The Rule Nisi being discharged, the writ
now in town remains in force, and the Church-going pa-
rishioners of St. Martin's, through their appropriate organs of
religion, Messrs. Jolly and Berridge, and under the avowed sanc-
tion of the Hon. and Rev. Henry David Erskine, are at
liberty to execute it, at any moment. We say the avowed
sanction of the Rev. Vicar, for we do not forget, nor do
we intend that the public shall, that this minister of the Gos-
pel designed to promote " good-will amongst men," volun-
teered at a meeting of the parishioners in vestry assembled, to
throw his shield over the parties who have brought this mat-
ter to this issue. It is not our disposition to hold up indi-
viduals to publio indignation, but we cannot refrain from ex-
pressing our opinion, that if any one thing could cast a shadow
and a stain upon the reputation of the lion. Vicar's
father, it is the position in which the son has placed himself
n reference to the great cause of religious liberty.
" U ! what a falling off was there, my countrymen !"
—Lcicester4hire Mercury.
TEMPLE CHURCH.---We understand this
1 Church is closed to enable the solicitors of the Inner and Middle
Templ© to effect some extensive alterations therein.

PA RKE.
TRIAL OF COURVOISIER FOR THE MURDIZIR
OF LORD WILLIAM RUSSELL.
(Continued from our Paper of yesterday.)
Inspector Nicholas Pearce, A division of police, examined by Hr.
BODKIN—I went to Lord William Russell's on the 6th of i [ay.
and examined the back area door. There were marks on it. It
did not appear to me as if they bad been produced by an atte: opt
to break in. The socket of the top bolt was forced .off;
and it appeared to me as if it had been forced off try
an instrument put into it. The witness then described the
marks and appearances on the door as they were described b y
the last witness, whose testimony as to the marks on the door lie
corroborated. In searching the premises I found the poker pr o.
doted in the fire-place in the butler's pantry. It was bent, its it no n,
appears. Such an instrument would snake a similar mark to that .on
the wood inside the socket of the bolt. In the same pantry I foixnd
the screw-driver produced on a shelf. I applied it to some of tibe
marks on the door, and it corresponded. I found the pair of Ways
produccd. I found the hammer produced in the cupboard
in the pantry. I fitted it to the marks in the door and
door-post, and it fitted them when the door was shut from
the outside. It would be impossible to force the door open
by such an instrument if bolted on the inside. The -.marks on
the socket of tho upper bolt could not have been made by a
person from the outside if the door had been fastened. The
socket of the lower bolt had been started from its place nut not
off. The bolt was rusted, and did not appear to have been
used lately. There were considerable marks of violence• about
the lower bolt, which would have been unne ceuary
if the bolt had not been shot. I found marks wllich

could not have been made-if the-bolt bad been shot. One
of a screw-driver on the rabbeting, which could not
have been made from the outside. IN my judgment no bre (king
into the house could have taken place from the outside of ' that
house. I was present when some experiments were made 0 the
half glass door. Until they were made the door was uninjure fi.
made the first mark on fr Myself. Some of the experiments we re
made last Saturday, and some before. They were made to see if
such an instrument as the hammer would make a similar ma: rk
to those discovered at the back area door. It did so. I saw .an ex.
periment made while the door was on the latch, by placing the e .vs
of the hainvner between the door and door-post and pressin; ; t he
handle down. It did not force the latch, which resisted the pries.
sure. The mark produced was equally deep with that on the do or
below, and quite similar. I applied the tongs to the door of • the
safe in the pantry, which had been forced open. The mark c
sponded with the tongs. I produce the door. I also found ase rem-
driver, which I compared with the marks in the safe, and fou ad it
to correspond. On the Monday I made some inquiry of the tied_
soner respecting the missing property. I asked him if he k ats
what money or property had been taken. He said he had se en a
101. note and a 51. note in a purse a few days ago. 1 asked Jai m
where the plate was kept that was found in the passage. He points d
out a cupboard in the sideboard in the dining room. On tl is
Friday I searched the prisoner's boxes with Shaw. I
never searched them with Tedman. I searched a pot •t.
manteau, a deal box, and the drawers. I saw t•
clean shirts in the portmanteau, but cannot say that I exa-
mined them minutely. On the same day I made a search in the
prisoner's pantry. At that time workmen were in the hosts( t, to
take up the drains, I was searching in the pantry, by the si. Le of
the fire.place, near the sink under the window. I took aw; sy a
piece of the skirting board which runs from the fire-place to the'
corner under the sink. When I pulled it down, I al iw
the purse produced, about two inches in behind 21 ye
skirting. I perceived that the mortar about them In; id
been disturbed before I took the skirting away. I found !in
the purse five gold coins and five gold rings—one a wedding-rin .g
—and a small piece of silver. I then took away another piece tof
skirting board, and found a Waterloo medal, and, further on, a
101. Bank of England note; all which I now produce. The not e
was folded up; it was not wrapped up in anything. The skirt in g
was quite dry ; it was on the side of the fire.place. The priso ttt x
was in the dining.room when I found these things. I
went up to him directly afterwards. Constable Co pier
was with him. I laid the things I had found on the Ii
table before him, and said, I have found these things conceale. i in
your pantry, behind the skirting board. He said, I know not ling
about them ; I am innocent, and my conscience is clear ; 1 n ever
saw the medal before. I then took him down into the pantry, and
pointed out to him the place from whence I had taken there. .He
again said, lam innocent; I know nothing about them. HeLre-
mained in the pantry for some time. I then proceeded wi th
my search its the presence of the prisoner. There is a seats T-
pipe going round the room, and is continued into ass
adjoining scullery. In removing that pipe between the pantry and
the door, I saw Collier put his hand to the pipe, and take a ring
behind it down. Some one had previously said " Iloilo! there:is a
ring." The ring produced is the one, it is a split ring. I cos ti-
nned the search, but found nothing snore concealed that day., I
afterwards went up into the prisoner'; bedroom, and searched his
person. I found about ss. in silver, a small locket, and a bunt hof
keys upon him. He said the locket was his and I have no re; mit
to b elieve the contrary. I went into the pantry again, I found neth ing,
but lett other officers pursuing the search, assisted by workme; j, 1
saw the hearth-stone of the pantry taken up on the evening of the .t
day. Ido not think the prisoner was there. It appeared to m e
as if the hearthstone was very firmly fixed in the ground. I sh..sul d
say it had not been recently removed. I did not perceive an y
opening between the flooring boards and the hearth-stone. j
afterwards found a penknife on the drawer of the pantry, and I
received a tea-spoon and a salt-spoon from the housemaid, whie h
1 now produce.
Cross.examined by Mr. CLARKSON—I made the experiments, on
the door and door.post of the glass door at the same time. Sot ne I
made on Saturday last, and some sometime before. I think Caere
is one mark not made by myself ; it was made in my presence by a
Man named Craton, who is a carpenter. It confirmed the judgment It
I had formed as to the marks on the back area door.

Mr. CLARKSON-Why did you not bring thlt door and post titre,
as well as the other, to produce to the Jury? Witness—Because
I did not think it necessary.
Mr. CLARKSON— What was the reason you made the eXperi
meat ? Witness—lt was to—
Mr. CLeageorr-s- We do not want your reason.

Witness—Oh 1 but you asked me the reason. It was to confirn
my judgment. The hammer produced was not used, but a ail oiler
one. I did not use the same hammer because I was fearful of b 'dur-
ing it. I have not brought the hammer with me because I did not
know it would be wanted. More persons than me have comp tired
the marks of the tongs. Christie, a carpenter, tried the tongs: on
the door. Beresford might, I do not recollect seeing 1 sins.
Collier had not the tongs in my presence making the compari som.
Collier saw me compare the marks. Ido not recollect seeing CAR-
tier have the tongs in his hands. There was no other instrun teat
used upon the glass door except the hammer and the tongs.
Mr. CLARKSON—Did you make those gaping marks upon the
glass door ? Witness—l suppose I must. If the door were he re
I could tell you. I made all the marks except one or two. I
do not think there are any marks made by a scree r..
driver. I saw the door on Monday last. I received no orde rs
from my superiors to make them. I made them without orde rs
after the last examination before the Magistrates, but without
any orders from any body. I had the door of the back area re.
moved without receiving orders from any body. Mr. Hobler
dercd me to bring them here. I told him of my experiments
upon the glass door, but he did net tell me to bring it here.
The screw-driver produced is the one belonging to the house.
I could not say positively that there are marks on any w sod
work produced to day which are caused by this screw-dri rer.
The , chisel, if used to mahogany or any hard w sod,
would not, I should think, be in the state it is now. Con-
stable Shaw went with me on the Bth of May to make the
search, and I consider we made it with every requisite degree
of minuteness. When I examined the trunk on the Bth it was
shut, but not locked. I think it was not strapped. I went to exa.
mine the dirty clothe's, and the pockets of the coats and waistcoats,
and for the purpose of making a general search—a minute search.
I knew that Tedman bade made a search on the 6th. No one
suggested to me to make a fresh search. It was after I found the
concealed property. I took out thearticles one by one. I think there
were two clean shirts. Ido not recollect whether I unfolded them
or not. I believe not. I put the shirts upon the bed. I went
away, and left the prisoner; and when I came back, he was putting
the things in the box.
Mr. CLaatcsoN--Was it not to get a confession from the pri—
soner, that you told him those things were found in his pantry p
Witness—l suspected he was the person who put them there, anct
thought it was my duty, at that stage of the proceedings, to acquaint
him with it.

Mr. CLARKSON—Did you intend to obtain from him anything
like a confession ? Witness—l expected the prisoner might make
some remark, which might be either for him or against him. I had
naturally a great anxiety to obtain every information on the web.
jeer. Mr. Mayne, the Commissioner, was in the room. I fitrst
suggeated it, and Mr. Mayne said take the property up stairs, au d
let him see it. Mr. Hobler was there at the time.

Mr. CLARKSON—Did you not say to the prisoner, " I found this
property concealed in your pantry—can you nor• look me in the
lace ?" Witness—l said so among other things.
Mr. CLARKSON—Why did you suppress that in answer to my
question just now ? Witness—l had no reason for suppressing it..
Mr. CLARKSON—Did you expect a confession ? Witness—l dirt
not expect a confession.

Mr. CLARKSON—Did you think that language calculated to inti-
midate
i I
it
ty m aTnhterbeu
si fal hraedw
atrhao u so,I teh.enpelctshotouldgentoat hpaoar-e_
the prisoner ? Witness—lt was likely to do so if he were
sed
ogfeht,reidt.
tiers of it if the prisoner is convicted. I have nothing yet
I have never had a farthing from any one. The property was
found behind the skirting board before I was aware that any re-
ward was offered. If the prisoner is acquitted, there will be no re.,
ward. 1 had no expectation or thought of reward when I used
that language to the prisoner. I think, if there had been any
b'ood.stained articles in the box or the portmanteau, I should
have seen them on my examination. I think I heard Ellis say that
the locket found on the prisoner was my Lord's locket. I had
seen Ellis before 1 searched the prisoner, but I never was aware,
until after I found one on the prisoner, that his Lordship's locket
was lost.
At the conclusion of the witness's examination, the Court ad.
journed for refreshment for half.an-hour.
The Court reassembled at a quarter after three, and proceeded
with the examination of the following witnesses.
Mr. John Christie examined by Mr. CIIAMRERS-1 am a car-
penter and builder, living in the New Cut, Lambeth. On Satur.
day last, the 13th of June, I went to N 0.14, Norfolk-street. I ex.
ariined part of a door:and door-post. It is here produced; it was
shown me by Inspector Pearce. I examined it carefully. I saw
marks 011 the door and door-post outside ; the marks of violence on
the outside were not sufficient to have forced the door open from the
outside. I examined the socket of the upper bolt. I should
say it could not have been forced off' by a poker from the outside
if the door were
closed.
The poker must have been used after the
duor was open. I should say it was done by the poker produced.
It could not have been done by the bolt. On the inside
of the doorpost there was no mark of the bolt shooting against it.
The bolt could not have gone far enough into the socket to make
the mark on the doorpost. I should not suppose, from its appearance,
that the lower bolt had been bolted at all. There were marks near
it, as of a screw-driver and poker having been used from the out-
side, while the door was closed with a latch. (The door was pro.
duced, and the witness pointed out the marks, and explained
his reasons for forming the opinion he had given.) There were
also three or four hammer marks. From the whole appearance
of that door, I do not believe it wi.s ever opened by force from
At ithOut. I have compared the tongs with the marks in the pantry
dour, and they correspond. I have the hammer and the screw-
driver produced with the marks in the back area door, and they
correspond.
George Collier examined by Mr. BODKIN—I am a police con-
stable of the C division. 1 went to Lord Russell's House on the
6th, and examined the back area door, and in my
judgment the
breaking there was from within. On May 9 I assisted Pearce in
examining the prisoner's pantry. I saw Inspector Pearce remove
the skirting-board. (The witness ther. corroborated Pearce's testi-
mskirtingboard,
and as to the articles found concealed behind the
and as to the finding of the split-ring behind the leaden pVile
The prisoner continued in the pantry two or three hours. While
there I asked him if those were his Lordship', rings
which Mr.
Pearce had found. He said they were, and that his Lordship had
worn them yesterday. I asked him where his Lordship placed
Ithem when he went to bed, and he said on the table in his bed.
room. I askefi him if his Lordship bad a gold split ring. tic

said he bad, and he used to keep his seals upon it. I said, It is a
most shocking thing. He said "Itis ; I am innocent of it ; but
it W ould not look so bad against me had not the property been found
in my pantry." I said it looked very suspicious. The prisoner
aid I shall say nothing till the last, until I hear if the whole truth
Is told. He was then taken up stairs and searched, and from that
time kept in strict custody. On the next morning, the 9th, I
searched the scullery with Sergeant Shaw. I assisted to take down
the plate-rack, and behind the pipe which runs along the wall close
to it I found the seal produced, with a coat of arms engraved on it.
I marked it and showed it to Shaw, I searched another
pipe in the scullery leading from the pantry. I found the
ring produced. It was bent as it is now, as if by being pressed be-
' ind the pipe. It is a seal ring. It could not be seen behind the
pipe. I took the plumber and the carpenter on Wednesday, May
13, and bad the floor of the pantry taken up. Under the second
board which was censored the plumber took up a handful of rub-
bish close by the scullery door, and in it was found the
sovereign produced. On the following morning myself
and Cronin went into the dining-room and saw Tedman.
I❑ consequence of what Tedman said I went up stairs
wish Cronin, and in a portmanteau in the prisoner's bed-room I
found the two handkerchiefs produced, one cotton and one silk
Swat' the top, they were marked E. C. the silk, and B. C. the cotton,
, and likewise the shirt front. The handkerchiefs are masked with
blood spots ; there are several spots. I was in the room when that
portmanteau was examined previously. I attended to the examine.
tion, but 1 cannot swear that I noticed either of those things. I did
not find anywhere a shirt to which the front found will match.
Cs-sass-examined by Mr. Pittudes—No one was present at the
conversation I had with the prisoner. I never told the prisoner
he /mild be sure to be hanged or transported, and he never said
th,sreupon be would not say a word more. I never said to him, do
its suppose that any stranger would place those things in your
',salary ? and he did not say it was very strange. I cannot tell who
it was searched the portmanteau. I was searching another part of
the room. The prisoner was sent to prison nn the Sunday. I
knew the trunk had been searched before and nothing found,
and I went to search it again on the 9th. I did not know
but things might have been overlooked in the former search.
I went to see if I could find any missing property, or anything
bloody. I found the handkerchiefs near the top of the trunk. I
searched the whole of the box. The box was not locked, nor was
the door locked.
Mr. C. PHILLIPS—Why did not you, or the rest of the police,
lock up and seal that box and room to prevent any one having
acssess to them ? Witness—l had nothing to do with that. I had
not charge of the house. No one could miss finding the hand- '
.sterchiefs, nor could any, I should imagine miss finding the shirt
front, on searching the box, if they had been there. The prisoner
Ido not think was in the house when I made the search. I think
it was on the Monday morning I searched it. Shaw and Hum-
phrey, I think, searched the box on that morning. If that was on
the Monday, certainly the prisoner was not in the house. The box
I allude to is a moderate sized travelling portmanteau. It was
strapped. It was about 11 o'clock on the morning of the 14th that
I searched it. It was after 2 o'clock in the day that I saw it
searched on the previous occasion. •
Re-examined by Mr. BODKIN—The portmanteau was in the same

part of the room on both the occasions I saw it. It was near the

window. There was not light enough where the portmanteau was
standing to see the marks in the handkerchiefs without taking them
to the light. The room is a small back attic.
F. Shaw—l am a police sergeant. I went to Lord Russell's on
_ .

the Bth May for the first time. I assisted in searching the pantry.
On the following day I saw Collier find a gold seal behind the pipe,
and a seal ring. (The witness corroborated Collins's testimony as
to the finding these articles.) The sink had been taken away from
the pantry. The hearth-stone of the pantry had been taken up,
and underneath the place I found the gold locket produced in the
dirt. This was on the Saturday morning, tie 9th of May.
Cross examined by Mr. C. PHILLIPS—I had assisted in searching
the prisoner's box on Friday afternoon, Bth May. I assisted In.
Spector Pearce. The search was not a careless one ;we missed 110
article; we saw that there was nothing more in the box. No one
else was in the room; I did not search it after the Bth. I did not
search, or assist to search it after the prisoner went to prison. I
never searched it in company with either Humphries, Cronin, or
Collier. The portmanteau is here now.—(lt was produced, and
appeared to be an ordinary travelling portmanteau.)
Re-examined by Mr. BODKIN.—i do not recollect seeing any
handkerchief in the portmanteau. I saw a front very similar to the
one produced there, on searching on the Bth. Mr. Pearce was with
me. Ido not recollect seeing the handkerchiefs, but I took up the
shirt front in my hand.

Paul I.3ronin, examined by Mr. ADOLPIIUS.—I am police con-
stable 168 C. I went to Lord Russell's on the morning of the Bth
at half-past ten, and remained there day and night until the follow.
ing Saturday. I assisted Pearce in searching the pantry.—( Witness
covobc,rated Pearce's testimony as to the finding the property con-
cealed in the pantry.) I went to the house again on Tuesday, May
12 ; the search was continued. I searched the door of the scullery
on that occasion, and a, brick vault adjoining. I passed my fingers
alongjthe bricks to discover if any of them were loose, as it was
very dark. My fingers struck against something, which I pulled
out with great difficulty, and which proved to be part of a watch.
key, with the pipe broke off: On the following day, in the upper
yard, I raised two or three stones with an iron chisel.
went round the yard, and saw a leaden sink in the yard, cased
in wood. It had been a fixture in the butler's pantry, just over
where Mr. Pearce found the property. I produce the sink
I examined round the edge of the sink, and i.e one place it ap.
peared to me that the lead bad been taken up and put down again
very carefully in one part in front. I turned the front up with the
iron chisel, and looked inside, and saw a watch, which I now pro.
duce. I immediately called police constable Collier. I have had
the watch ever since in my custody. There was no glass on it
whets I found it,

James Ellis examined by Mr. 'Booms I am at present in
the service of the Earl of Mansfield. I was in the service of the
late Lord W. Russell two years and eight months. I left him in
April of this year. The prisoner entered his Lordship's service
two.days before I left. Three out of the five rings produced by In-
spector Tedman belonged to the late Load W. Russell, and the other
two resemble those which belonged to his Lordship. He wore
them daily. They were usually placed on a small dressing table in
his bedroom, when he retired to rest. The table stood between the
fourth window and the cupboard. I believe the watch produced to
be his Lordship's. I was in the habit of winding it up five days out of
theseven. It was usually placedat night in *stand on the table, by his
Lordship's bed side.
.. His Lordship's name is not engraved on it.
lam not aware that his Lordship had a watch with his name en-
graved inside. The seal and seal ring are his Lordship's. The
split ring, which is nearly broken, is similar to one his Lordship
used. The key also appears the same, but a portion is gone. I
know his Lordship had a Waterloo medal, with a riband at.
tached, but I never examined it. It was kept in the Russia
leather box, whick was called the cash box. The note cases
I can speak positively to as his Lordship's. 1 know his Lordship
had foreign coins in his cash-box, but I never examinee' them. I
have seen the miniature in his Lordship's possession. It was
always kept in the cash-box. The gold pencil•case and the specta-
cle-case are his Lordship's. The pencil-case his Lordship carried
in his pocket every day. The toothpick-case is like his Lordship's.
They were genera'ly placed on the same table with the rings.
The articles of plate found in the passage were iden.
titled by witness as the property of Lord Russell, and the
cloak also. I have seen a small locket in Lord Russell's possession,
but I am not positive that it is the one produced; as I have never
had an opportunity of examining it. His Lordship always had a
lighted rushlight in his room. I never knew his Lordship to be in
the habit of reading in bed. The bed candle was always put out
by me, after his Lordship went to bed, and placed on a small
table near the rushlight. I never recollect the candle having
been left to burn out in the socket. He was always very
careful on the subject of fire. I saw the prisoner two or
three times after Lord William Russell's return from Rich-
mond. On one occasion prisoner asked me if I had any recollec-
tion of a locket. I told him I had. He then said his Lordship
had lost the locket while out of town at Richmond. I then said I
wondered how it could be lost, as his Lordship always carried it in
his note case, The prisoner also said he could not account for its
being lost unless it had fallen from his Lordship's clothes, while he
was brushing them. He said his Lordship had written, or was
about to write, to Mr. Ellis, at the Hotel, Richmond, about it. I
rather think this conversation took place a day or two after the jour-
ney from Richmond, as I saw the prisoner then and did not see him
afterwards, until the Monday before the murder. I delivered over
the plate to the prisoner, and gave him a list of it. The plate box
is produced ; the list of the plate is inside it. I examined the con.
tents of the box by my list before it was removed from the house,
and before I deposited the list in it there were missing four table-
spoons, four large forks, four dessert spoons, and two tea spoons. The
greater portion of the plate was kept by me in my bedroom at the
top of the house. The plate in use was kept in a cupboard in the
pantry.

Mr. Comyn, an attorney, here produced certain silver articles,
which were shown to the witness.

Witness—The articles produced correspond in number and de-
scription with the articles of silver missing. They have the crest
of Lord Russell upon them, and I believe them to have been his
Lordship's.
Mr. It. Harrison examined by Mr. CHA S/ECRS.--1 am head clerk
to Messrs. Hoare, the bankers. The Baroness de Clifford keeps an
account there. Mr. Wing, the solicitor, draws on her account.
He drew a check for 2001. on the t2sth of April last, which I paid.
The 101. noteproduced was one of the notes I paid on that occasion.
Mr. Wing examined by Mr. Adolphus.,-I am solicitor to the
Baroness de Clifford. On the 2.3 th of April I drew a check in her
name for 0001, and received the money from Messrs. Hoares, and
gave the same notes to her Ladyship on the Monday morning fol-
lowing.
The Baroness de Clifford examined.—l am the widow of one of
the sons of the late Lord W. Russell. On the 07th of April I re-
ceived from Mr. Wing 2001. Among them there were some 10/.
notes. I gave one of them to the late Lord Win. Russell on the
.9th of April. It was given to be employed in a charitable pur.
poses. It was to be given to Lady Sarah Baillte to dispose of.
Lady Sarah Baillie examined by Mr. A DoLen us.—
The late Lord William Russell married my sister.
I reside at Hampton Court palace. I remembrr on one occasion,
on a Sunday during the present year, Lord William Russell came
over from Richmond to see me; he dropped a locket, and I picked
it up and returned it to him, and he put it in the upper left-hand
pocket of his coat. When I first saw it, it was in a letter-case, a
brown and blue one, worked by his daughter. 1 suppose he had a
great regard for the locket, as he was careful of it. The letter-case
produced is the one ; the locket produced I believe to be the locket.
The hair in it is tied with blue silk. I cannot say whose hair it is.
Lord W. Russell wrote to me to inquire about the locket from Cam.
den-hill, and I wrote to him in answer, and directed my letter to
him in Norfolk-street' Lord William Russell had taken out a
letter to give me to read, when the locket fell from the letter.case
at my house, and which I afterwards returned to him.

John Harris-1 am an upholsterer, and work for a Mr. Hughes.
I went to Lord William Russell's house on the afternoon of the
sth May, to adjust a bell.pull in his Lordship', bedroom. I was
there about half an hour, and after I had finished my work I left
the house.

Henry• Lovett-1 am a bell-hanger, and went to Lord William
Russell's on the sth May, and repaired a door-handle and bell in
the bedroom. I left at seven o'clock.
George Doubleday—l was groom to the late Lord William Rut.
sell. I did not live in the house. I was in the house on the
afternoon of Tuesday, sth May, a little after six. I left then, and
did not return until a few mintes before nine next morning. I had
not been sent for.
Mary Hammell re-called and examined by Mr. Baron Pantie—l
found the glass-door when I came down in the morning bolted and
chained. I do not know how the shutter was the night before. It
was not always put up. A person on the outside could look through
the glass and sec where the chain was.
Sarah Mansell re-called and examined by the COURT—I do not
recollect what state the glass-door was in the night before.
William Winter—I was one of the plumbers employed at Lord
W. Russell's house. I searched and I found a sovereign under
one of the boards of the pantry on the 13th of May, which I gave
to the policeman.
Mr. Charles Ellis-1 keep the Castle Tavern at Richmond.
Lord Russell came to my house on the 15th of April last, and re.
mained until the 212 d. He brought the prisoner with him as his
man servant, and his groom was also with hint. The prisoner
was the only person in personal attendance on him. On the 25th
Lord Russell wrote to me on the subject of a locket. I made in-
quiries and search, but it was not found, nor were any tidings
heard of it. The seal of the letter was from the Travellers' Club.
produce the letter. The prisoner brushed his Lordship's clothes
while he was there.
. _

Ignatiuc hlaftenberger—l am a watch-maker in Regent-street.
! bad a watch ropaired for Lord W. Ruoicil, under ray direction

' The watch produced is his Lordship's, and the portion of the
watch.key produced belonged to Lord W. Russell.
Charlotte Piolaine—My husband's name is Louis; he is a
Frenchman; lam an Englishwoman. We keep the Hotel
do Dieppe, In Leicester-place. I know the prisoner at the
bar. I have known him about four years. He came
then to the Hotel, to take a place in it as waiter. We
used to call him John. French is the language generally spoken,
' and we called him Jean. He staid with us a month or five weeks.
I never saw him after, until about six weeks since he came to us at
the Hotel, on a Sunday evening. He merely asked how we were,
remained a short time, and went away. He knocked at the door ; I
said come in. He came in, and I did not know him at the moment. He
asked if I did not recollect him. I said, No. He said, I am John, that
used to live with you. Hesaid he was in a situation, and was very well
off, but he did not tell me where. On the Sunday week or fort-
night afterwards I saw him again in the evening. He came in
and asked me how I was. He had a parcel in his hand—a paper
parcel. He asked use to take care of it, and the Tuesday following
he would call for it. He left it and went away. I wrapped it up
in a closet. I had no notion of what was contained in the par-
cel at that time. It was tied and sealed. I have never seen him
since. He never called for it again. , The parcel had been left
with me before 1 heard of the murder of Lord W. Russell. I left
the parcel in the cupboard, and never took it ought until yesterday
morning. I was induced to take it out by an account I saw in a
French newspaper, which my cousin showed me. I sent far Mr.
Gardin ; he is a chaser in Deau.street ; and for Mr. Comyn,
who is a friend of ours; he is an attorney. Mr. Vincent,
my husband's partner, was there. The parcel was opened in the
presence of these persons. It had never been opened before,
since it had been in my possession. The panel produced is the
parcel that the prisoner left with me. When I opened it it con.
tained silver forks and spoons, and two pair of new stockings, and a
pair of gold auricles, a pair of dirty socks, and an old flannel waist.
coat. There was also some tow in the parcel round the plate.
That would prevent the plate from being felt, or from rattling, if
the parcel were put clown hastily. Mr. Comyn immediately took
au inventory upon paper, wrapped it up, and brought it here.
Myself and Mr. Vincent signed the inventory, to attest what it
contained. I did not observe if there was any mark on the stock.
lugs. They are here as they were found.
Cross-examinea by Mr. C. Pniturs--Our house is not much
frequented. Any body can go there that likes. There is
only a billiard-table in the house. The police have never
been there. There never was a gang of suspected persons taken
out of our house. Our house is not a gambling house. There are
lodging houses there. Our house is much frequented by foreigners.
John was the name I gave the person when he was in my service.
1 never knew him by any other name. It is very seldom I read
an English newspaper, for I have not time. Ido not take in an Eng-
..

lisb newspaper. I have not had much conversation about the murder
of Lord W. Russell. My husband has been in France during the
last fortnight. I have not observed the Sunday placards of the
newspapers, nor heard confessions crying through the streets. I
never go out. I heard of the murder the next day after his Lord-
ship was murdered I cannot recollect whether I had any conver-
sation with my husband or not. I was very much occupied. Ido
not know that I spoke about the murder to anybody, I was so occu-
pied, and my husband and his partner are occupied down stairs, so
that I do not sometimes see them the whole of the day,
Re-examined by Mr. A DOLPIIVS—There is no pretence for call.
ing my house a gaming-house. Never during my time have the
police broken into the house or taken any person out of it. I talk
with my husband on the ordinary topics of the day and think no
more of it. I had no idea the prisoner and Couvoisier were the
same person. Parcels are sometimes left at our house. I locked
the parcel in a cupboard in a room on the first floor, and no per-
son could have access to it.

By the COURT—The parcel was left with me about a week or
fortnight before I heard of the murder.

Louis Gardin--I am a modeller and chaser, living in King-street
Soho. I know Mr. Piolaine, who keeps the Hotel de Dieppe. I
was there one Sunday when a parcel was brought by a man. II

was a brown paper parcel. I had never seen the person who
brought it before. I cannot say positively if the prisoner was the
person or not. There was some conversation took place, but I did
not hear it. The parcel was given to Madame Piolaine. I was
fetched to the hotel yesterday by the partner, about
some news from a journa► or paper. He said some.
thing to me, and we went into the City to Mr. Comyn.
I found him in the City, and he went back with me to the Hotel,
a parcel was then produced, in the presence of Mr. Vincent,
Madame Piolaine, Mr. Comyn, and myself. Mr. Comyn, cut
the string and opened it, and it was found to contain some -slyer
things, Mr. Cumyn made out a list of the contents in our
presence.

By Lord Chief Justice TINDAL—It was about the time I heard
of the murder of Lord William Russell, that I saw the parcel left—
a little before.

Richard Comyn—l am a solicitor, 17, Old Jewry. I saw Mr.
Louis Gardin, and Mr. Joseph Vincent, at my office, yesterday.
1 accompanied them to Leicester place, to M. Piolaine's ; he is not
a client of mine. A brown paper parcel was produced by Mrs.
Piolaine, tied up and sealed. My advice was asked upon the sub-
of opening it. It was opened by my advice, and a list of the articles
it contained made by my advice ; before doing it up, I noticed the
crest upon the forks and spoons, and then tied it up
and went to a bookseller's.shop to see the crest of the
Bedford Family, I saw it was the same, and then I went to the
Magistrate at Marlborough-street to give up possession of the par-
cel, and to get his advice. I came here in a cab about six o'clock
and wrote a note to the solicitor for the prosecution. I was directed
to ccmc in. I did so, and made a communication to Mr. Wing and
Mr. Nobler. The plate I brought in, when Ellis was in the box, j
were those found in the.parcel. I put my name on the paper in
which the parcel was wrapped to know it again. The paper pro.
duced is the one in which it was wrapped. There is an address
nearly erased upon the paper ; the last produced, signed by myself
Vincent, and Gardin, is the one I made on opening the parcel. It is
as follows :—Four silver forks, four silver table spoons, tour silver
dessert spoons, two silver tea spoons, a box containing an ear ap.
paratus, one pair of stockings without marks, one pair of socks
marked C 4, one flannel jacket.
Cross-examined by Mr. C. PHILLIPS—I came to the Court yes-
terday, and saw you sitting there as to-day. I knew you were one
of the counsel for the prisoner.

Mr. Mortimer, printseller, Pall-mall. lam accustomed to affix
a ticket of my shop upon articles sent out. There is one on the
paper produced. Lord William Russell was a customer of mine.
I sent him a print, framed, of the Vision of Ezekiel, on the 27th
April. It was inclosed in brown paper, and I believe it had a
ticket like that produced. My ticket is produced by a brass plate
cut out i that appears to have been produced in the same way.
Cross-examined by M. C. PHILLIPS—I had sent his Lordship
perhaps half a dozen prints in the course of two or three years. I
think they were generally enclosed in brown paper, and had my
name on them.

Reexamined by Mr. BoDitll4.—ln addressing a parcel of that
sort I should have written on it Right Hon. Lord William Russell.
I have not a distinct recollection of having done so on sending the
Vision of Ezekiel. It was not Inclosed in one sheet alone. I some..
times use in packing parcels paper that has been used on former
occasions.

Mr. JOSEPH VINCENT—I can speak English a little. I know
Mr. Piolaine. I had read something in a French newspaper on
Monday. (The witness here manifested such an ignorance of
English, that Mr. Gardin was sworn as interpreter.) I went on to
see Mrs. Piolainc yesterday in consequence of something I saw in a
French newspaper. I went with a person from her house to Mr.
Comyn. I signed the paper produced, when the parcel was
opened (the list produced by Mr. Comyn.)
Henry Carr-1 was a fellow servant with the prisoner when he
was in the family of Mr. Fector. The jacket produced is like one
I have seen the prisoner wear there. I called on him on Tuesday,
the sth of May. We went out of the house together, and I parted
with him at the corner of Park-street, I saw nothing more of
him that night, nor did I return to the house.
Lydia' Banks-1 know the prisoner. I have washed shirts,
stockings, aprons, and pocket handkerchiefs for him. The socks
produced have the prisoner's mark on them, but Ido not know
that ever I washed them. These are marked on the heel. I never
saw any stockings of his marked on the heel. Sume of his socks
were marked C. B. Ido not know if they were all of them marked
C. B.

Cross-examined by Mr. C. PHILLIPS—His were always marked
at the top.

Thomas Davis—Was in the employ of Mr. Webster, an opti-
cian. The instruments produced were made by him, and similar
ones were supplied by him to Lord William Russell in June, 1836.
Ellis, the valet, recalled,—Said he had seen a pair of auricles
like those produced in his Lordship's possession about three weeks
before he left his service.
Sarah Mansell recalled—Had seen the auricles about a fort.
night before the murder. The plate was kept in the prisoner's
bed-room. 1 have seen a jacket like the one produced in the
prisoner's pantry.
This closed the case on the part of the prosecution, and the
Court adjourned at Twenty Minutes to Eight o'Clock, until Ten
o'Clock to-morrow.

We understand that the passage in the French paper read by
Vincent, and which led to the important discovery ,of the parcel
left with Madame Piolaine, was an advertisement copied from the
English paper, with this additional announcement by the French
Editor, that as the murder was supposed to have been committed by
a foreigner, it was extremely probable that the missing property
had been lodged in some foreign house,

The following are the names of the jurymen who try the
prisoner :

Edward Mellor.
William Payne,

John ➢lolton Maxwell,
John Parke,

George Coates, Henry Marshall,
Phillip Bring, William Elstone,
Henry E Newington, Robert Feldon, and
Stewart Helmstone, l William Monk.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN T.

HOUSE OF LORDS, JuNI 19.

Their Lordships met at Four o'Clock, when the Royal
assent was given to the Customs Duties' Bill, the In:fem.
nities Bill, the Calder Railway Bill, the Penzance Har-
bour Bill, the Launceston Market Bill, the Exeter Ports
Bill, the Kingston-upon-Hull Lighting and Cleansing Bill,
the Bristol Improvement Bill, the Ncwcasle-upon-Tyne
and Gateshead Improvement Bill, the Belfast Water-works
Bill, the Shrewsbury Cemetery Bill, the Chester Coroner's
Bill, the Royal Naval Schools Bill, the Liverpool Ware-
housing Bill, the Belfast Charities Society Bill, the King's
Norton Small Debts Bill, the Maidstone Turnpike-roads
Bill, and the Weybridge Rectory Bill.
Their Lordships then adjourned during pleasure.
The LORD CHANCELLOR resumed his seat at Five
o'clock.

Lord KEN YON presented petitions from Devon and
Dublin, against the Municipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill.
Lord DE L A WARR presented petitions against the
grant
to the College of Maynooth, and against the Mu-
nicipal Corporations Bill.
The Bishop of WINCHESTER presented a petition
from the shopkeepers of St. John, Southwark, against
Sunday trading.
Lord GORT presented a petition from the officers of
the Court of Conscience, Cork, praying compensation
under the Municipal Bill.

Lord BROUGHAM said, although he supported the
Bill, he had no objection to reasonable compensation.
The Bishop of GLOUCESTER presented petitions
from Gloucester praying for protection to the Established
Church in the Colonies.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND.)
The Order of the Day for going into Committee on the
Municipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill having been read,
The Bishop of EXETER said he shouldto
oppose the
motion, because he believed the Bill
was
be calculatedhad
inflict serious injury on the Church to which
the honour and the happiness to belong.Ever}'
town in Ireland containing three thousfiatn,dhaivnehaabmituannti!
might, if the Ministers of the day thoughtof men who were
cipal body established composed
avowedly hostile to the
. the throwinr, open of the
Established Church. They had
an instance the other day in . 0.
Corporation of placed the whole power in
the hands. of theTßuaomrn'anwChiacthholies, and their first act was

would secure a property qualification, by which the evil.
wouldsbe in some degree.mftsgated ; but they must be all..
aware that a property qualification was a mere delusiorr„
and that it was never to be taken as a fair representation
of the property and intelligence of the country. Tho
Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, in speaking of.
corporations, had said—" Give me corisorations, and I
will take everything else." He trusted they would opt
place such extraordinary power in the hands of that indi—
vidual. Why was the present Bill to be passed
He hoped it would not be urged that it was for the purposes
of conciliation—that spurious sort, of conciliation
sought to silence an enemy whom they could no longer
oppose. It was said that the people of Ireland had a rigio;
to corporations, because the people of England and Scot-
land bad them ; but it should first be ascertained whether
the condition of the people of the two countries was the
same. Corporations in England and Scotland were esta-
blished for the protection of commerce, and to guard
against the encroachments of the Crown. But in Ireland
they were established for very different reasons—for
exclusion--exclusion was their very principle ; and the
object was: to protect them against " the Irisb and
the King's other enemies." The Right Rev. Prelate
here read the titles of several of the charters granted
to the various towns in Ireland, showing the ob
jects for which they had been established. He con
tended that the extinction of these corporations was a con-
servative measure compared with merely preserving the
name and destroying the principle on which they had been
founded. He had heard with great regret that it was the
.intention of the Noble and learned Lord (Lyndhurst) to
move certain amendments, • which would put the Bill in
the same position at the Bill of last year. He hoped the
Noble and Learned Lord would feel it his duty to see
that the interests of the Established Church were properly
protected, which he feared his amendments in their pre-
sent shape would not do. If the Noble and Learned Lord
thought the measure was at all calculated to injure or
weaken the Established Church in Ireland, he trusted ha
would feel it his duty to oppose the further progress of the
measure. The Noble Duke ( Wellington) had two years:
ago stated that be would not assent to the passing of a.
Municipal Bill for Ireland till he had seen two things--
namely, a proper qualification for the exercise ci the fran-
chise, and a settlement of the tithe question. Now, could.
any of their Lordships venture to say that either of these:
measures had as yet been satisfactorily carried into effect ?
In an address to the National Association of Ireland, dated
the 25th April last, Mr. O'Connell sail the ecclesiastical
revenues in Ireland were applied to the Church of a very
small minority, and se long as that master grievance ex-
isted, there might be a parchment union, but there- could.
be no real union between the two countries. Now their
Lordships would call to mind the oath which that learned
individual, with others, had sworn—not to weaken or de-
stroy the Establishment in Ireland, and that word had
been chosen to prevent any quibble, although a quibble
had been resorted to by that individual, who said he did not
mean to destroy the Church, but merely the property with
which it was endowed. Now, was there any Peer in that
House who would venture to stand up in his place and
deny that the individual who had taken that oath, and who
had subsequently taken the measures, and issued the docu-
ment he held in his hand, bad grossly perjured himself? He
would repeat what be had said on a former occasion, that
every one supporting that learned individual was guilty
of subornation of perjury, and yet a Noble Lord connected
with her Majesty's Government had said, not long since,
that that learned individual was esteemed as a great man
in his own country. The should give his decided oppo-
sition to the motion.

The Duke of WELLINGTON understood that the
course it was intended to pursue that evening was that his
Noble and Learned Friend would propose his amendments,
and have them printed for the purpose of future discussion..
Several Peers had attended for that purpose only, and be
trusted, therefore, notwithstanding the interposition of the
Right Reverend Prelate, that his Noble and Learned
Friend would persevere in his motion, because, when a
particular mode of discussion was agreed upon by both
sides of the House, it appeared to him certainly to be most
convenient to adhere to twat course.—(" Hear, hear," from
both sides of the House.)
The Bishop of EXETER understood that that arrange-
ment did not bind any Member of their Lordships'
House to consent to go into Committee, and therefore he
had done nothing out of the ordinary course.
The Duke of WELLINGTON disclaimed any idea of
imputing improper conduct to the Right Rev. Prelate.
The House then went into Committee on the Bill.

Lord LYNDHURST said he should merely move the
amendments of which he bad given notice, for the purpose
of having them printed, and taken into consideration on a
future day.
Lord BROUG HAM suggested that a step should be
taken, such as postponing the preamble, and then the
Chairman would report progress, and ask leave to sit
again...—The House then resumed.

Lord L YNDHURST proposed that the House should
go into Committee again on Monday week.
The Earl of WINCHILSE A presented a petition from
Kingston, Surrey, against any further grant to the College
of Maynooth.
Lord J. Russt:Lt., and others from the Commons,
brought up the Canada Government Hal, which was read
a first time, and ordered to be read a second time on Tues.
day, the 30th inst.

Earl of ABER UE EN presented a petition from
the presbytery of Strathbogie, and a mere statement of tlid
facts would, he was satisfied, enlist the sympathy of their
Lordships :—ln 1834, the General Assembly passed a law,
called the Veto Act, by which the presbyteries were com-
pelled, if a majority of the heads of families objected to
the presentee, to reject him, without any reason being as-
signed. A majority of the communicants having objected
to Mr. Edwards, the Presbytery rejected him, as they con-
sidered they were authori§ed to do. Some time after-
wards, a person brought an action in the Court of Session
against a Presbytery for a similar proceeding, and the
Court found that the rejection of the presentee, without
any reasons being assigned, was an illegal act, and had
violated the provisions of the Act of Parliament.
Mr. Edwards, on the result being known, raised an
action, and the Presbytery consented to put him again
upon trial, in conformity with the decision of the Court of
Session. In the meantime a decree was issued by the
Commission of the General Assembly suspending the
petitioners from their office of ministers for contumacy.—
( Hear, hear.) An appeal was made to the General As.
scmhly, which confirmed the decree of the Commission.
It appeared that the Commission was composed of such
members of the General Assembly as chose to attend, and
that, independently of their regularly sittings, they exer-
cised the right of adjourning from time to time, and, in
fact, they had a General Assembly holding permanent sit-
tings. The consequence of the decree was, that other persons
invaded their parishes, and everything they did as minis-
ters, whether baptisms, marriages, or any other religious
ceremonies, were declared to be null and void. The dis.
trict, which contained a population of 18 or 20,000, was
of course thrown into the greatest state of excitement, and
it was most desirable that the present unsettled state of
things should be pot an end to as speedily as possible. A
Convention was appointed at the last meeting of the
General Assembly to hear what the petitioners had to
say, and they reported that the petitioners had not in-
tended any disrespect to the General Assembly, but
they merely supposed that they were bound to submit to
the judgment of the Civil Court. Notwithstanding ell
this, the General Assembly declared that, unless the
Presbytery refused to pay obedience to the Civil Court,
and submitted to the decree of the Geucral Assembly, mea-
sures would be immediately taken to depose them. Now
the petitioners trusted they would not be exposed to con-
sequences so severe and. deplorable for merely obeying the
law. He regretted that the Noble Viscount (Mel-bourne)
had declared that it was not tits intention to take any steps
in the matter, and that (without urging any reasons) he
had opposed the Bill which he (the Earl of Aberdeen) had
had the honour of introducing to their Lordships' conside-
ration. He believed the measure, imperfect as it was,
would have given satisfaction to the petitioners, and would
put an end to the present distracted state of the Church in
Scotland. He trusted the subject would receive the ear-
nest attention of their Lordships.—( Hear, hear.)
The Duke of RICHMOND supported the prayer of the
petition, and bore testimony to the high character and re-
spectability of the petitioners, some of whom had been 30.
and others 17, 16, and 14 years acting as ministers of the
parishes from which they had now been suspended.
The Marquis of BREADALBANE defended the
course pursued by the General Assembly, who, he con-
tended, were bound to see their decrees enforced. The
question was one which their Lordships would find it diffi-
cult to settle, as it had been found in the Church of Scot-
land. He thought it very injudicious to interfere while
the case was before the Courts of Law in Scotland.

The Earl of HADDINGTON contended that the
Presbytery bad been most reluctantly placed in their pre-
sent position, and that they were compelled to obey the
decree of the Court of Session. He believed the Bill of
his Noble Friend would put an end in a great measure to
the disgraceful scenes that had lately taken place in Scot-
land in connection with that subject. and he trusted their
Lordships would take it at the earliest period into their
:nature consideration.

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Lord BROUGHAM did nut wish to enter at an
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which the petitioners were subjected, for no act of their
own, but for merely obeying the decree of the Court of
Session, lie believed there wiis not a Member of that or
the other House of Parliament, who would not say that
the conduct of the General Assembly was most illegal and
unconstitutional, and that it was a course of proceeding
which ought to be most deeply deplored.
Viscount MELBOURNE felt much sympathy for the
position in which these gentlemen were placed; but it
appeared to him that the present was merely a repetition
of the discussion they had had a few nights age brought
forward in a much more striking point of view. Stone
had said, " if you want to paint the horrors of captivity
take a single capti%e, • - " and so with the Noble Earl ; he
had first brought forward the general question, and then
lie had taken up the individual case of these gentlemen.
His opinions on the subject had not been changed by any.
thing be bad heard that evening.
After a few words from the Earl of ABERDEEN the
conversation dropped.
The petition was then laid on the table, and their Lord-
ships adjourned at Eight o'Clock.
HOUSE OF COMMONS, JUNK 19.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'Clock.
A Message from the Lords summoned the Howe to
the House of Lords to hear the Aoti•al Assent given to
several Bills, for which see Lords' Report.
Mr. MARTIN presented a petition from the borough
of Tewkesbury against Church-rates.

- THE VETO.
Mr. GILLON presented a petition from Edinburgh.
with nearly 19,000 signatures, denouncing the Veto Act
of the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland as a
mere evasion of the law of Scripture, and as nowise fitted
to meet the evils of Lay Patronage ; deprecating the grant
of any public money to the Church of England; and pray.

I,' Vl4 N lic ED 'lO sr

itng for a separation of Church and State ; also several pe-
vtions to tea scene effect from DuLning, Dumfries, and
other places.
Mr. BAINES presented a petition from Morden„;in
Sorry, against tilt ericani,gcment of idolatry in.
The Won. Member moved that it should be printed with
the dates, iatanded to found a motions on it : also
petitions frees various pari,,hes in Yorkshire, against any
grant for the purpose of Church Extension.
Mr. CHILDERS presented a petivion from Malden
against Church Extension.
Mr. HAWES presented a petition from Lambeth,
praying the House to take the conservation of tie River
Thames out of the hands of the Cirporation of Londee.
Mr. THSIGii'.I3. predated a petition from officers of
the East Ineia Company complaining of the soale of sta..
peraanaation alloa.zmeo in the Company.
Mr. RALPH CORE presented a petiticii from Car-
am-von, praying for the dissolution of a Poor-law Union

in that oonnty.
Mr. THORNE LY presented a petition from Wolrer-
hampton, signed by 4,000 persons, against the present
system of Sugar Duties.
Mr. BROCKLE HURST. prasented a petition from
Cotton Msnufacturera in Lancashire, complaining of dis-
tress, and praying for the repeal of the Corn-laws.
Mr. GREG presented a petition from the Protestant
Dissenters and other inhabitants of Richmond, in Surrey,
against any grant for Church Extension.
Mr. O'CONNELL presented petitions from the fisher-
men of the cast coast of Ireland, and from a place in An-
trim, praying for an eqnal protection in the British Fisheries;
alto a petition from Tralee, praying a repeal of the Corn-
laws ; and a petition from the same place, in favour of the
Government plan of railways in Ireland; also petitions
against the war with China, and Lord Stanley's
from Blackroek, in the county of Kilkenny ; also two
petitions for the removal of Mr. Feergus O'Connor from
York Castle ; also petitions from a parish in Middlesex,
and other places, against Church Extension ; also a peti-
tion from the constables of the old Dublin police, praying
that the (+Lowe might take their case into consideration ; and
a petition from a Total Abstinence Society against granting
any indemnity to those parties whose opium had been con-
fisnated in China.
Mr. BRISCOE presentee( a petition from Warminster
against Chnrch.rates.
Sir R. INGLIS presented three petitions, praying for
Church Extension ; also lave in favour of the Chimney
Sweepera' Bill.
,nlr. TIABSIGER gave notice that on the '2.d of July he
wenld °all the attention of the House to the petition of the
servants of the India Company, complaining of the scale
of coropensations acted upon by the Board of Control.
Mr. WARBC:hTON, Sir H. PARNELL, and other Hon.
Members gave van-ions notices of vacations, of which not a
word could be heard in the gallery, in consequence of the
groat excitement and noise in the body of the House.
Sir ROBERT PE L said, that not seeing the
Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs in his
place, he would postpone the questions which be in-
tenn.ed to pat respeeting the interference of her Ma-
jes•y's Government in behalf of the persecuted Jews
of Damascus. Bat haring seen in the public papers
a document penrporting to be a despatch from the Governor.
General of Jamsiea, containing his address to the House of
Assembly of that Island, in which he congratulates the
viembera upon the happy termination of the session, and
thanking them for their zealous devotion to their public;
duties—(:lour)—lee begged to ask the Noble Lord, the
Secretary for the Colonies, whether the repert was au-
obentio ?—( Hear. henr.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that with regard to the
tiint questioa of the Right Hon. Gentleman, he could only
say that he had no doubt his Noble Friend wculd be per-
fectly ready to give an answer. With respect to the se-
cond question, he had to say that the published report of
the detpatch was perfectly correct, and be had directed that
it should be priened, for the purpose of being laid before
Parliainent—( Hear, licar)—and her Majesty's Govern-
w.ent felt the greatest gratification at the conduct of the
BOU3O of Assembly of Jamaica.—( Cheers.)
Sir R. PIZ EL said that the object of his first question
was not to throw blame upon her Majesty's Government.
Gut ha thong_ ht the shameful treatment of the Jews of
Damascus wee not au unfitting subject to be mooted in
the British House of Commons.—( Cheers.) That treat-
ment was disgraceful to the age in which we lived—
( Cheein)—and be feared it ha been connived at by
some Christian Authorities.—( Hear, hear.)
CANADA.

Is aassvar to Mr. Pakington, Lord I RUSSELL said
he had not received any fresh delpatchos oa the subject
of the Seminary of San Suipice.
Mr. O'CONNELL sold ha had a petition from the
Ftesch Canadian.; to present on that subject on Monday.
JAMAICA.

Mr. O'CONNE L L asked if the Noble Lord the Colo-
nial Secretary would state what Bills he hid objected to
passed the Jstnaic.t Legislature.
Lord I. RUSSELL said he colic' not state that •.rith-
out naakiag rather a long statement. He had nut, how-
ever, thought it right to reeommt.nd her Majesty to
disallow any of the Acts. Ile cou,:idered that somewhat
an inexpedient course—( Hear, h,ar)—and he preferred
me;-,ing representations, he trested not uninfluential, to the
local legislature.—( Hear.)
ECCLESIASTICAL DUTIES AND REVENUES
BILL.
In answer to Sir R. PEEL,
Lord J. RUSSELL said he should poiitpane this Bill
to Aloniqc s*t'ittaight, but that he should go on with it,
and hoped to evo-ry it thin 5c,..i00.—( A laugh )
IRISH REGISTRATION BILL.

On the motion of Lord STANLEY, the Order of the
Day for going into COmmittee on this Bill was read.
The question that the Speaker do now larva the Chair
WRS then put, aoil ai,,rrrud to sllc,nt!y.
The kii,u.•!e then went into Committee, Mr. FiIESIMELD
in the Chair.
On the question, pro forma, that the Bill be read a first
111.m4.,

Me. O'CONNELL said he considered the engage-
na cot w keit had linen entered into binding on him not to
divide till the first clause --(A lau;h.)
The 1111 was there formally read, se it is called, a first
and weed time.
On the preamble Navin, been postponed, the first clause
was put, upon whisk
Lord STANLEY said he had, considering the lareness
of the Illss-sion, to till up the blank t r the data at which the
Act was to come into effect, for the 29th Jul;;, 1841, in-
stead of the next t2Oth July.
Lord MO it.PEThi said that he was then under the tie_
cessit„y of proposing an amendment, which would occur
rreviously to that to which the Noble Lord had, called the
attention of the Islous.e.—(ll-2-ar, hear.) The amendment
which he (Lord Mcypetb) proposed would occur in the
seventh liste, after the word .‘tliat."—(Crics of " Hear,
hear," and a lanh.) That was a very early part in
the progress of the Bill, to micn an amendment ; but,
with his own views of the general character and seop2 of
that measure—of the time and circumstances ender which
it was introduced; anti considering the feeling which it
had excited rmor the great body of the Irish people
—( Hear, hear, hear)—and the streets r,n.tch he be-
lieved would follow from its enactiner,t;—zensidering
these things., he owned he wits Lot sorry to bring what-
ever appeared to him excerv.ionablo„ in, the details or the
principles of the measure, under the consideration of the
Committee, at as early a period as possible, in order to
bring the math points to a speedy issue. —(1-1 or,
hem.) The first clause—he should say the first
line appeared to him to give the fairest passible opportu-
nity for such a cearse—an opportnnity which his sense of
the effect and the character of the Bill rendered it impera-
tive on hire to avail himself of. It seemed to him that
the first clause is its effect—he would not say in the inten-
tion of the Noble mover—se:tooled to disranchiiernent
all the existing eenatituencies of Ireland._ (Hear, hear.)
.The edam) enacted, that notwithstanding any law now
n foree in Ireland, so person would on or after the Ist
day of November, in the present year, be entitled or per-
mitted to vote at any election cf a Member of Parliament
(the University of Dublin alone excepted), unless
such person were duly registered according to
the provisions of the Act. It seemed to him that
the propriety of suhjeeting all the existing rights of
voters in Irelaad to the forms of registration enjoined by
the Bill should depend on the sense which the House
might entertain of the propriety of its subsequent
provisions, and that if those provisions were only fair,
temperate, jest, and reasonable—if they were only cal-
culated to maintaia the purity and the integrity of reg:s_
tration in Ireland, without needlessly limiting the elective
franchise, it seemed to him that in that case there would
be. no objection to supersede the existing farms of reeistra-
non by these whien the Bill maces:id. But if, oy the
other hand the eubaequent provisions of the measure eon-
tal"(1 "luah,eliat wasrestrietive annoy ine and oppressive
—if they 'nod a tendency needless' I an wantonly to limit
te• r'-ghts of voirrs, and to
phaarriaisal
eanntd
wwonrcyj legitimatedew e
cl7;nstants, he thought that to
Pam before it subjected the
y rioNli*s of voters to
such as ordeal ; and to put every person, n, however duly admitted to exerciae
nitheevfortaens h.chwise,huniderhthde yokediof those
novel provisions.
during the progress of the BM acd le a a reay given
n the observatioas with
which he had thought fit 'to'
accompany
ecoulsi sufticiehtly prove that hehad thosetak rotas,
latter unfavourable view of the character
and
scen the
of the measure. The objections made to its detailsoapned.
provisions bad been already specifically admitted—even by
some of these who had given their
gthoaltnghoinotor
iesdiumittoe ; and, therefore, he did no
those wise might conscp.entiously object to the measure
were thou bound to support the clause to which he bad
alluded. If the Bel had hiarelY enacted that any voter who
was now on the registry and who had lost his qualifieaen,
shoald be removed from it, be (Lord 31.) could not but
approve of such provision. The Bill which his Hon. and
Learned Friend the Solicitor-General for Ireland brought
in contained a similar enactment, but what h.e was contend-
ing for was the right of those to retain their places on the
registry who had not forfeited it by any subsequent pi:e-
eeelling. He knew he might be told that the Bill which
her aajeeity's Government had introduced contained a
clause similar to the first clause in the Bill of the Noble
Lord. Be did not deny that similarity ; but what he would
insist on was the great dissimilarity of the other clauses.
Beth Bills gave an annual revision to the Judge of Assize,
but that of the Noble Lord was given in a manner very
different from that proposed in the sills brought is by his
Learned Priced. The Bill of the Government gave a
simple and easily comprehended forma of notice—that
of the tickle Lord was of the moat complex
character, and was one which would require the aid
of a lawyer to be properly filled up. The Bill of the
Government gave costs against an objector, under certain
circumstances. That of the Noble Lord gave costs, even
against a person whose name was en the register, as well
as against the objector.—( Hear, hear.) The Bill of the
Government undoubtedly intended that the claim of nu
registered elector should be re-investigated, except for
some matters which had arisen subsequent to the registra-
tion. The Bill of his Right Hon: Friend Sir Michael
O'Loughlin, of 183 e, and that of the Chief-Justice of
Ireland, of 1888, gave an appeal against the franchise to
but that was intended to erne
the Judges of Assize,
resit the original lists, made in 1832, not by
the Assistant Barrister but by those appointed for the pur-
pose, who acted without concert, and under that system it

was notorious that various abuses had crept in, but that
list had been exhausted in the present )ear; the eight
years had now expired and the lists now in existence
had been made by those authorities against whom there
was no-chirge. They were made by the Assistant Barristers,
to whom even the Noble Lord intended to entrust the
working of his own Bill. Let the Nouse contrast the
form of notice proposed in the two Bills. One was
senple and easily understood. The Noble Lord's con-
sisted of no less than eleven heads, every one of
which must be filled up withoat flaw, otherwise
the claimant enight have costs awarded against him.
But when the Noble Lord came to the objector what was
the form be prescribed ?—( Hear, hear.) It was merely
this, that he should give notice to the Clerk of the Peace
that he intended to object to the voter.—( Cheers
and counter cheers several times repeated.) Mark,
the objector was not required to give any
statenaent ef the nature of his objections.—( Renewed cheers
from botk sides of the House.) After having giveu that
power to any one on the register, whether a claimant be
already entitled to vote, the Bill proceeded to enforce not
only on the Judges of Assize, or the Assistant Barrissers—
not once for all, but at every recurring revision._
that was every half year—the duty of re-opening the in-
vestigation of the whole case, no matter how strictly it had
been sifted, or how lawfully it had constituted the vested
right of the individual. Again, in every town,
county, and borough in Ireland the collectors of taxes
and clerks of the peace was required to make a return of
all parsons, every half-year, who were liable to taxes, or
were in arrcar of taxes, and the Assistant-Bar-
risters were required to expunge the name of
every defaulter, whether such defaulter was objected to or
not. Now, he called upon the Committee to reject that
clause.—(Laughter from the Tory benches.) It might
be a laughing matter to Gentlemen opposite to play
fast and loose with the franchise of the people
of Ireland—( Laughter and repeated cheers)—but
ho was glad to see she supporters of that Bill manifest on
every occasion the spirit by which they were actuated,
( Cheers.) The clause required not only that the taxes
should be paid up to the period of regi•tra-
tion, as required by the 'Reform Act, but it enacted
that if one single omission of the payment of any rate-cess or
tax should take place at any subsequent period, the voter
should be expunged from the list, whether he was objected
to or not, and no matter what was the evidence of the default
provided that it was satisfactory to the Assistant Barristers.
Now, he called upon the House to reject that clause as one
of penalties and disfranchisement.—(Great cheering.)
He would call upon the Committee to interfere
and protect the people of Ireland from such injustice.—
( Renewed cheering.) He called upon the House to
look at the process which the voter has to go through
in order to establish his vote in the first instance ;
under the original registration every deed or instrument
was required to be produced by the claimant connected
with his claim, and the Assistant Barrister was to inquire
minutely into them all, and going through the whole of
this strict process—this elaborate investigation—had every
claimant to make good his right to the franchise for eight
years, and he ( Lord NI.) called upon the House not to allow
the unhappy voter again to be deprived of his franchise
and oompelled to travel through all those traps and pit-
falls.—( Cheers.) After a man had once so strictly es-
tablished his claim, he ought not to be obliged constantly
to go over the same evideace. Justice to Ireland was ant
the extension of the inconveniencies and absurdities of
English legislation, and the denial of all its blessings.
In his conscience he believed that grave results de-
pended on the issue of thie Bill.—( Hear, kear.) To the
benches opposite on this Bill already had been
given several party triumphs ; they flushed with victory,
expected another new, but few of them knew at what stake
they were playing, and surprised was he that the Noble
Lord, unwarned by former failure, and unsobered by past
experience, should have dashed into this venture and
drawn a whole party after him.—( Loud cheering.)
The Noble Lord concluded by calling on the Com-
mittee to reassert the constitutional principle that
a reinvestigation of a vote, should be had only from
fresh matter, and with that view he moved the omission of
all the words after the word " that"—( A laugh)—to insert
these words, " in every registry under this Act, the name
of every person, who, when such register shall be made,
shall be on the register as a voter—shall be retained
thereon so long as the same right remains, unless he
shall die—( Laughter from the Opposition)—or unless
there shall be proved fraud or personation."—( Cheers.)
The amendment having been put,
Lord STANLEY rose and said that he had hoped,
after the very many discussions they had already had on
the principle of the Bill,: that the time had at length
come, when, with the consent of the Government, they
might have entered seriatim into the discussion
of its details, according to the ordinary and invariable
Parliamentary practice, ie Committee. When the proper
time had come, according to Parliamentary usage, he should
have been most ready to submit the details of the measure
to the consideration of the Committee. Undoubtedly,
while he did not mean to accuse the Noble Lord opposite
of any improper motives, he should say that when the Go-
; vernmeet had pledged itself that on that day without any
further obstruction they should have entered on the discus-
sion cf the Bill in Committee, he had not anticipated
that any discussion should be rai`'...ed on the first clause —a
clause, according to the Noll'A Lord, perfectly harmless in
itself.

Lord NI 0 RPF,',: -t_e.No, not perfectly harmless. I
Lord ST eeNt E y.—`yell, then on a clause not
perfectly .narroles:s in itself—(Hear, hear)—but which
never,:neles the Noble Lord ten minutes ago contended to
he 'oat-unless and unconnected with the subsequent provi-
•l sions of the Bill,—( Loud cheers from the Opposition.)
Titat clause was one whic:i the Noble Lord himself had in-
troduced on two different occasions, whether harreh ss or
not.—(Renewod cheerine.) Ile should say he did not
expect they we-e to be called on to discuss the details of
every other clause of the Bill, while that alone was under
1 discussion._( Hear, hear.) In point of fact, if h,e were to
follow the Noble Lord in the course he had adopted he
should lead himeelf to fall into one of those snares and pit_
falls into which the Noble Lord had told them he was
drawing the House, and against which he (Lord Stanley)
begged Hon. Members to be especially on their guard.
It he were to follow the Noble Lord he should give rise
again end again to discutsions on the principle of the mea-
sure at a eime when they should consWer its details.—
(Hear, ;tear.) The Noble Lord had said that the first
dsuse could not in itself be attended with any injurious
effects, and the Noble Lord had found it convenient
to admit that that clause, as it stood, verbatim et lderatim,
was a copy of a clause introduced, in 18:35 and 1836, by
the Noble Lord himself—(Loud cheers)—assented to
by the House in ISea, and sent without oljection from
ally human beiag en either side to the other House. of Par
liarnent. The Noble Lard might have also added,
that in the year 1838 a similar clause was brought forward
by hie then Attorney-General, and if it were the slightest
satisfaction to the Noble Lord, he could tell him that Le
was ready to receive any of those clauses which his own
Attorneys-General had introduced. Ho denied it was any
more 1 Bill of wholesale disfranchisement than that clause
in the liaelish Registration Bill, which said that no per-
son should vote in 1841 unless his name appeared on the
register of that year.—( Hear, hear.) lie would prove
that it was not only not more so, hut that it actually was
less so. By the English Bill the register was the autho-
rised list of voters, and must necessarily be as, or it would
he of no use—there would be no earthly use in a register
if it were not so, and so convinced were the Government
of it before, that Mr. O'Loughlin and Mr. \Voulfe at once
put the clause in the front of their Bill, yet no clamour
was raised against. them—(Cheers)—they made the re-
gister the criterion of voting, and nothing else. So again
slid the llon. Member for Limerick ; he introduced a simi-
lar clause in his Bid of 1838, and whQ attempted to put
him down by the ciamourons cry of disfranchisement?—
(Cheers.) The Solicitor-General fur Ireland had not
indeed put the clause in the front of his Bill, but he
contended that the very same principle was embodied
in the fort}-third chime of his Bill L-(1-lar, and
loud cheering.) He said in it that the moment the new
register was made under his Bill, then it, and it only was
t,) be the criterion for voting.—(Cheers.) Now if he liked
his own language better, he (Lord S.) would at once
adopt it in place of saying the first of September, or any
other date ; that being admitted, what became of the cl.l-
- of disfranchisement which had been raised against
him ?—( Cheers.) But now the Noble Lord said, thet this
clause must be taken in combination with the other clauses,
and that on this first clause the Committee was to debate
every provision of the Act for Regulating the Registry.
If they did so, there was no use in going into Committee
at all.--(Cheers.) The object of a Committee was to
take the clauses of a Bill in detail—( Hear, hear)—and
the course which the Noble Lord proposed was trifling
with the Homo and the public.—(Tory cheering and
cries of " Oh, oh" from the Liberal benches ) It was tri-
fling with the House to say, that the Committee should re-
ject the Bill, it it did not agree to every provision relating to
the registry. However, it might be keeping the word of pro-
mise to the ear to go into Committee, he would call en the
House not to permit the Government to sieritil from rea-
lisisig the pledge they had given, Although the Noble Lord
(Morpeth) had introduced a discussion at variance with
all Parliamentary usage, he (Lord Stanley) would not
shrink from meeting the,. Noble Lord upon it..--.( Cheers. )
The first clause provided that no person was to vote who
was not registered according to the subsequent provisions
of the Act, upon which the Committee would have to de-
cide in their regular detsil.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble
Lord opposite had found it convenient to go through a his-
tory of the difficulties which at present surrounded the
claimant of a vote in getting his name upon the registry.
But he had carefully watched the Noble Lord, and he
observed that the Noble Lord took care not to state that
' tkis Bill studiously protected all those who were now on
the registry from every vexation and annoyance.—
(Cheers.) He (Lord Stanley) denied that the present
would
measure was one of disfranchisement. Its provisions had
found
dEntghla English
ever Rey for
not so much tendency to disfranchise as the registration
clauses
be of Inetnhteit6thd etlo vote,auseit
pmersßonill. now entitled
the Clerk of the Peace was required to put upon the poll
of eext rear as registered f' or eight years. previous. . Cer-
tainly there was an oYeet. given, but it was required to
be destinetly proved ;janrth
prima fecio evidence. The e being on. the register was
various. points about the ob-
i jection, however, ought to be considered as another clause;
Parliamentary and the Noble Lord, had he followed P
prac-
tice, would have waited for it.—(Cheers.
) But it suited
the Noble Lord that he should club to
eether all possible
• • s to such claims, in order to l
object
al a trap fur stray
votes.i—on(Loud cheers.) The Reform Bill Registration
had been performed most carelessly the Noble Lord ad-
mitted, yet by the Noble Lord's proviso every case of
fraud, every case of perjury, every ease of pe rsonation,
every case of bad evidence, was retained on the registry.
—( Cheers.) The Bill gave to successful ;
Periure, success-
, full villainy, a title to be upon the registry for the term
of a natural life.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. SHIEL said the Noble Lord had begun by de_
Glaring that his Bill was not a disfranchising Bill
still he had not gone on to say that in cases of what he
called villainous fraud there should be disfranchisement—
(" Oh, oh," from the Opposition)—there was indeed to
be a re-investigation ; might that not be synonymous with
disfranchisement?—( Hear, hear, oh, oh.) Now in the
Bill of the Solicitor-General for Ireland there Wes' 3 C
franchisennent--only an abolition of the certi -.ay.. -;_

tem.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") The Noble Lord
(exclaimed the Hon. Gentleman) is loud in superogatory
protestations of impartiality. I hope not from an in-
voluntary consciousness of their necessity.—(Laughter
and cheers.) But here I appeal to the Noble Lord the
Member for Northumberland, who pledged himself not to
support a re-investigation of the existing registry.—
( Hear, hear.) But now, what has been the result of all
this dreadful system of fraud and perjury ?—( Hear, hear.)
One would have thought that the very bogs and
forests of Ireland would teem with fictitious votes.

—( near.) But how far is that from being the case ?
The Noble Lord had made some reference to the county
Tipperary. The Noble Lord had property in that county,
and the Noble Lord was a constituent of his ( Mr. Shiel's.)
—( Hear and laughter.) The Noble Lord was a corres-
pondent of the agent of the Conservative Club of that
county.
Lord STANLEY here intimated that tha statement
was erroneous.

Mr. SHIE L.—The Noble Lord has presented a pe-
ion from Mr. Kiernan who was the gentleman in ques-

tion, in which petition it was stated that myriadsA had
been fraudulently placed on the registry list of that
county. Let the House examine into that statement.
The population of Tipperary amounted to 402,000 souls.
Did the Noble Lord know the constituency of that vast

population ? It might perhaps be 10,000, since such vil-
lanous perjury, such palpable fraud had been practised.
Was it 8,000 ? Was it 6,000 ? Was it even 4,000? Surely
by the aid of that excommunication to which the Noble
Lord had so felicitously alluded, they had been able to
work up the registry to at least 4,000.—( Loud cries of
Oh, oh.) That constituency did not amount to 3,000.
—( Loud cheers.) During the election of 1837 the con-
test lasted for five days, and the entire constituency was
polled out, and yet they amounted to no more than 2,400.
And still that was the miserable constituency which he
(Lord Stanley) wanted to reduce, a constituency which
had been raisedto that number only by the vilest stratagems,
by the most unjustifiable expedients, by villainous per-
jury, to use the conciliatory expression of the Noble Lord.
—( Loud cheers.) The Noble Lord had read a letter
which he hal received from a gentleman of the name of
Kiernan—he had received a letter from a person with
whom he confessed lie was himself unacquainted, and he
had read that letter in the House of Commons, as a
ground for diminishing the Irish constituencies. An in-
quiry, however, had been made into the assertions con-
tained in the letters—an inquiry which the Noble Lord
himself should have instituted before he produced such
testimony as a ground for disfranchisement.—(Hear,hear.)
The Noble Lord smiled—he was not astonished that the
letter should meet with a contradiction, but he (fir. Shiel)
was much astonished that it should have been brought for-
ward as a charge, without inquiry into the grounds on
which it was founded. He (Mr. Shell) then held in his
hands a letter which would bring the matter to a test.—
( Interruption, and cries of " Read, read.")
Lord STANLEY only felt that there was a great in-
convenience in reading those letters ; he had himself re-
ceived that morning a letter from a landlord, confirming
every word of the first statement.—( Cheers from the Op-
position benches.)
.11r. SHIEL—Do you know the landlord?
Lord STANLEY—No, I do not.—(Loud and long

continued chaering from the Ministerial benches.)
Mr. SHIE L would appeal to the House and the coun-
try, if it were on the solitary testimony of such parties as
Mr. Kierman and the landlord in question, who was a
Fsucitt, he believed, that they were to pass an Act which
was to overthrow the rights of the people of Ireland. —( The
Right Hon. Gentleman proceeded to read the letter to
which he had referred amidst cries of " Name, name,"
from the Opposition benches.) The name of the writer
was Michael Mara, a man, he would allow, who had been

employed bythe Liberal party.--( Hear from the Opposition.)
Honourable Gentlemen opposite might not, perhaps, at-
tach so much importance to such a letter as one emanating
from the agent of the Cork Conservative Association,
Mr. Nettles.—( Hear, hear, and cries of " Read.") (The
Right lion. Gentleman then read the letter of Mr. Mara,
the substance of which was a contradiction of two state-
ments which Lord Stanley had put forward on a former
debate. In the first place, no tenant of Mr. Faucitt, who
had previously surrendered his holding,had voted at the elec-
tion of 1837; as four tenants only of that gentleman had
appeared at the hustings that year, and each of whom had
an undoubted bona fide claim. In the next place, Roger
Meara, whose name was to be placed on the list of appli-
cants, although he had previously died, was not registerad,
nor had any claim been put forward in his favour,—his name
having been left on the list merely because it had been
copied from a previous one. He ( Mr. Shiel) would suppose
for a moment that there was a mixture of truth and falsehood,
with regard to those statemente; but was it fair to rely on
such evidence, as a ground for bringing forward a measure
of such vast importance ? He would next refer the House
to the case of Cork, which, with a population of 770,000
souls—nearly as large as the population of Wales—con-
tained a constituency under 4,000, while the constituency
of Wales amounted to 34,000. He would thus oppose
statistics to the statements of the Noble Lord ; and he
would ask the gentlemen of England, whether, on a testi
runny proceeding from decided partisans, they would fur-
ther reduce a constitueney already so small. But that
constituency, though small, had been too large for their
(the Opposition) party. Small as it was, it hau been suffi-
cient to thwart arebiCon, to thwart injustice—to batll2
lartioa, and to save the country from that fatal demi-
nien which it was the object of the present
Act of Parliament to restore.—( Loud cheers.) By that
Act the constituencies of Ireland might be gradually,
diminished and brought down to proportions', better in ac-
cordance with the new policy of the Noble Lord opposite.
By this Bill it was provided that no man would be en-
titled to vote, unless he had conformed to all its forms and
instructions. (The Right lion. Gentleman lene pro-
ceeded to illustrate the manner in which the Bill would
operate, by supposing the case of a claimant Rho, after
braving his landlord, and succeeding in having his name
placed •n the rcgistry,would be exposed to fresh perplexity
and difficulties—to a journey to a distant part of the
county, and the flagrant injustice of being called on to
pay costs though his claim had been l reviously admitted. )
Let them conceive suck a claimant entering a Court of
Justice under those circumstances, compelled to defend his
title against a Conservative club, which had perhaps em-
ployed
a learned sergeant of great power, and somewhat
malicious aspect--( Laughter)—to prosecute the objections.
And let them then conceive the poor varlet sent home
without a shilling, in his pocket, as an example to refrac-
tory tenants.—( Loud and long-continued cheering.)
Such a system would be another advantage conferred upon
Ireland in addition to the blessings she already owed the
Nobla Lord opposite. —(Cheers. ) He was not exaggerat-
ing the case—if he were they were in Committee and
the Noble Lord could contradict him. lie was glad the
first clause of the Bill evidenced much of its mischievous
matter, because an opportunity was thus afforded of a con-
scientous escape to those who had formerly been betrayed
into giving their assent to the motion that the House
should go into Committee. The Bill would in effect
franchise the 101 constituencies of Ireland, a measure to
which Lord Grey would not consent in order to pass even
Catholic Emancipation. And for what purpose were they
to disfranchise the 101. constituencies of Ireland ? For a
purpose in reference to which be should be indeed a sceptic
by whom the slightest doubt was entertained.—( Cheers.)
The Noble Lord made abundance of protests as to the mo-
tive which bad induced him to introduce this measure.
The moral sense, it appeared, was shocked by the abuses
which had taken place irs the registration ;of voters in
Ireland ; but it was not always that the moral sense was
so shocked. Let them look to the sanction given to the
Irish Corporations as an instance.—( Hear.) In order to
know the purport of the Bill of the Noble Lord, was it
necessary to do more than to ask who was it author? Let
them remember a few facts. In 1835 it was acknowledged
by the Tory party that they looked to the division', sub-
isting between the Irish Members and the Whigs
as the means by which they could carry on what was
called a Conservative Government? and if those divisions
be continued, he doubted much whether the abuses of the
Irish registries would have been so closely investigated.
Let them look to subsequent proceedings. In 1837 a fla-
gitious tribunal was in existence for the trying of elections
in that House, since abolished by the Right Hon. Gentle-
man opposite, but supported by the party to which he was
so incongruously attached, while that party endeavoured to
avail itself of the existence of such tribunal, for the pur-
pose of aiming that blow at the representation which was
now directed against the coastituencies of Ireland.—
I (Cheers.) If they said these were by-gone transactions,
he would allude to events of a more recent date.
On Dec. 19 the Times newspaper announced, officially
he supposed, that the present Bill would be brought for-
ward. The Session had commenced, and the Hon.
Member for Devonshire ( Sir J. Y. Buller) bad brought
forward his motion. During the debate which followed
the most odious distinctions were taken between the
English and Irish Members, and a spirit and animus
by which the present measure was dictated were then
made manifest. lie was not surprised that the Hon.
Gentlemen who had supported that motion should vote in
favour of the present measure, but it was most inconsis-
tent that any man calling himself a Reformer should
become the auxiliary of the man—when Irish questions
came before them, denuded of the slightest confi-
dence—k Hear, hear)—who had been told by Lord
Althorp, and in alluding to that circumstance, he was not
violating the rules of justice, or passing the limls of that
courtesy the claims of which be should ever be most
ready to acknowledge—who had been told by Lord Althorp
in the face of the House and of the country, that his Irish
Administration bad been a lamentable failure--( Cheers)—
who, since that time had, by his political conduct, acquired
the most unqualified title to the disrelish of one
country, and the distrust of another—( Cheere)—
who in his public dealings swamped the Lords when a
Whig, and the people when a Tory--( Vehement cheering)
—who lauded to the skies in 1832, when it suited his pur-
pose, those Irish Members elected under the existing sys-
tem of registration--who now wants to slap the door in
their faces—( Hear, hear)—and who, worst of all the traits
in his political character, and of all the incidents in his po-
litical life the most to be lamented—who, after having de-
nounced an expiring faction and holding them up to public
scorn, lent his great talents to that party, which was not
now less deserving of that designation because
he 'combined for its triumph, forgetting the principles
which with him should be matters of inheritance—( Hear,
hear)—and which every beating of his heart ought to tell
him he should never have deserted.—( Hear, arid long
continued chering.) That was not the man to who n the
nice and delicate task of legislation for Ireland should be
confided. It was not for him to remedy the evils of a
country on which he had inflicted the greatest evils. If
these might be considered as by-gone recollections, let him
advert to those feelings, which in the course of a few
weeks, the Noble Lord, by his unhappy measure, had suc-
ceeded in introducing into Ireland. The country has been
at rest ; pubne excitement had subsided ; the tithe
question had been settled, and that wise policy to which
the House had last year borne so signal a testimony, had
succeeded in calming the passions of the people, when
suddenly the Noble Lord burst on them with the
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