The Sun.
London, England, 1841-05-07 00:00:00

CORN-LAWS.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL gave notice that on to_
morrow evening on the motion that the House go ii•to
Ccmmittee of Ways and Means being put, he would move
the following resolution " That it is the ooaion
of this House that it is practicable to supply the
present inadequacy of the revenue, by judicious
alterations of the protective and differential duties,
without any material increase of the public
burdens; and that such course will at the same time promote
the intere.t of trade, and afford relief to the in lusfrious
classes ; and that this House considers that such course is
best calculated to provide for the maintenance of the public
safety and the general welfare of the country."
Lord H 0 WICK wished to know in what manner the
amendment wa3 to be moved?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the amendment
would be moved as he stated yesterday.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said that be supposed the
Chancellor of the Exchequer would move that the Speaker
do leave the chair, and upon that question his Noble Friend
( Lord Sandon) would move his amendment. The clues_
tion would then be, that the words proposed to be left out
stand part of the question ; in case that proposition were af-
firmed, the House would then go into Committee; its case
it were negatived, the Noble Lord would then move Isks
amendment.

Lord HO WICK said it seemed to him that that
was an extremely inconvenient course, as it would
lead to two debates and two divisions. If it was
meant to take the sense of the House upon
which of the two resolutions should be adopted, it appeared
to him that instead of his Noble Friend moving the Ways
and Means, the Hon. Member for Liverpool should he
allowed precedence, and upon that motion his Noble
Friend could move his resolution, upon which the sense
of the House could be taken.

Sir R. PEEL said that of course the Noble Lord
would first bring forward the general question, which
would enable his (Sir R. Peel's) Noble Friend to take
the sense of the House on the Sugar Duties. If the Noble
Lord were to withdraw his motion, his Noble Friend would
not have an opportunity of submitting his resolutions, as
mmy might object to vote for his Noble Friend, if his
propo.-1
•tion were merely volunteered and not iatroduced,
in consequence of the course adopted by the Government.
He was sure the Noble Lord (Lord J. Russell) would
adhere t 3 the announcement which he had already made,
as to his plan of financial policy.—( Hear, hear.)
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN BILL.
On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL the Lords'
Amendments to the South Australian Bill were agreed to.
POOR-LAWS.
Mr. WALTER (who spoke from the frDnt Opposirion
benches) wished to ask the Noble Lord if it was his in-
tention to persevere with the Bill for the amendment of
the Poor-laws.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that it was hti intention to
persr vere with the Bill, and that he should bring it on on
the 17th of May.
Mr. WALTER would give notice that on that day he
should sub.mit a motion to the House, the object of which
would b to arrest the further progress of that MQUIVQ.

CHINA—RECAL OF CAPT. ELLIOT.
Sir R PEEL wished to know whether there had been
any recent arrivals from China which would enable the
Noble Lord to give the House any information as to the
pree7.t ,tat.e of our relations with that country.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL could not say whrth'r there
had been any arrivAi to-day, but the previous arrivals
had not enabled him to furnish any additional information.
Mr. GOULBURN said that information brought by
recent arrivals had appeared in the Papers 6f th,:t day.

Sir R. PEEL referred to the Gazette accounts, and
wished to know if the Government had ratified the
treaty which had been said to have been entered into be-
tween the Plenipotentiaries of the two countries.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Government had re-
ceived information of certain preliminary arrangements
which had beeit entered into by the Plenipotentiaries of
the two Powers. Those preliminary arrangements, how-
ever, did not appear to have been ratified by the Emperor
of China—indeed it did not appear that they bad been
finally settled between Capt. Elliot and the Plenipotentiary
appointed by the Chinese Government. That arrangement
was generally disapproved of by her Mjesty's Govern-
ment, but no further steps could be taken until they re-
ceived further accounts stating more particularly what that
Treaty contained.
Sir R. PEEL was desirous of knowing, considering
the distance of the scene of opera.ions, whether hostilities
had already been discontinued ?

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said a truce had been entered
into, and by the last accounts that truce had not been put
an end to, but he could not say that hostile operations
might not be recommenced.—( Cheers.)
Mr. HUME said he wished to know whether a report
that bad been circulated was correct, namely, that the
Government had recalled Captain Elliot and appointed
Sir Henry Pottinger in his stead. The public were anxious
to know whe.her such was the case.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that it was true that Sir
Henry Pottinger had received the appointment reni.
potentiary of China, and was about to depart immecia'ely
for that country, Captain Elliot having been recailed.

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EGYPT.
Mr. HU:WE wished to know if there were any de-
spatches from Egypt to the effect that matters were ad-
justed between the Pacha and Porte, as pledged by us to
be don&

Lord JOHN RUSSELL was understood to say,
that ho could not enter into any account of what had
been done recently.

CONVICTS AT WOOLWICH.
Lord MAHON said he had seen an account in the
public papers of the continued and increased mortality
among the convicts in the hulks at Woolwich, and that it
was stated that the Governer attributed this to the Ac-
cumulation together of the convicts wider the di-
ri.cti-ons of the Noble Lord.--( Hear.) He wished to
know if the Government had received any official informa-
tion of this. He also wished to know what had oecasiened
the delay in the returns on this subject two months ago.
Mr. FOX MAUL E said that it was true that the mor-
tality had Increased among the convicts at Woolwich; but
be was given to understand that this was not the case
with them only, but also with the military stationed there,
He could assure the Noble Lord that no attention would
be spared on the subject. With respect to the returns,
the Noble Lord was perhaps aware that a Judge could
not be compelled to disclose his private note,. neither
could a Coroner; but he had no doubt if the House ex-
pressed a wish to that effect, the Coroner would f4rnish
them with such parts of it as he should think necessary.
In reply to a qaestion from Mr. G. PA LME R, with re-
respect to the mode of ascertaining the value of exports
and imports,

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Mr. LA BOUCH ERE said that with regard to the
official value, he believed there had not been any difference
for the last fifteen years in the mode of calculating it.
With regard to the declared value, it was always taken
upon the declaration of the exporting merchant upon oath.
DESTRUCTION OF THE CAROLINE.
Mr. HUME moved for a copy of the correspondence.
between the Legation of the United States in London aid
the Secretary of State for the Foreign Department, in re-
lation to the destruction of the steam-boat Caroline;
also a copy of the correspondence between Mr. Fox
the British Minister at. Washington, and the Secretary
of the United St:oes, in relation to the dent -uction of
the steam-boat Caroline ; and also a copy of all the
correspondence between the Lieutenant-Governors of
Upper Canada and the Governor-General of the Canadas,
and the Secretary of State foe the Colonies, in nlation
to the destruction of the steam boat, Caroline. The Ho-
nourable Gentleman said be belitved that if this MA--
mation had been before the public at an earlier period of
the dispute, it would have preve,,ted much of the excite-
ment on both sides of the Atlantic. We understood the
Hun. Gentlemen to complain that the Government had
been dilatory in not submitting the correspondence to the
House.

other countries. But let them observe the consequence.
The statements alluded to might be ex perle,
and might give a most unfavourable view of the
cage as ragarded alb country, and yet by adopting
proposition of the Hon. Gentleman, they would be
giving their sanction to there unfavuurabi e, and it might
be unjuq, statements —( Cheers.)
Sir DE LACY EVANS could not understand what
object there could be in pressing for these merit, which
were already published, and to which every Gentle-
man could procure access. The only consequence of
their production would be to emlyirrase a complicated ne-
gotiation, which was now proceeding in an amicable wan-
ner. He hoped his Hon. Friend would not press the
motion.

Mr. P. HOWARD thought that at a time when this
country, as well as the United States, were deploring
the loss of the able Chief Magistrate of that country,
it was highly indelicate to press such a motion as this, just
as the ee s Governor was undertaking the management of
the Uuittd Slates,—( Hear, hear.) He believed that
there was a strong feeling on both sides of the Atlantic
for the preservation of the amicable relations between
the two countries.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") The great
commercial bedy was particularly anxious on the subject,
and was particularly de,i.ous that the greatest delibe.a-
tion should attend the condacting of those negotiations.
He busted that ,ha motion would not be pressed.
Mr. T. DUNCO M BE said that according to the does
trine of th! Right Honourable Baronet, the country had
no tight to the possession of the same information
as was possessed by other countries. They only asked
for papers up to the time of the arrest of M'Leod, and
he wished to know why the British Parliament should
not have full information as well as the Congress
of the United States. The Right Honourable Baronet
was assisting in smothering this information. What he
wanted to know was why a British subject, Mr.
MtLead, was detained a prisoivr in the United
States? He wished to ask did they mean to allow
the trial of Mr. M‘Geol to proeeed ?—(Cheers.) The
feeling of the country was, that the national honour was
compromised by Mr. M'Leod being detained a prisoner.
The question of his guilt had nothing to do with the case.
The general opinion was that they would escape from their
dilemma by its being incontrovertibly proved that at the
time of the destruction of the Caroline Mr. M'Leod was not
present. But that had nothing to do with the quo;_
Lion. Mr. M'Leod had been arrested, and was detained.
Now, if they a right to detain him, they had a right
to try him, and if they had a right to try hun,
they had a right to execute him, in the event of his being
found guilty. Did they intend to ailow Mr. INPLe.n.I to
be executed in such a case? If they were right Mr. M'Leod
ought not to be imprisoned at all. Would they insist
upon his release ?—( Cheers.) It was an important ques.
tion. Suppose Captain Brown, who had commanded
the expedition which had destroyed the Caroline, and
which had most justly and properly destroyed her,
in his opinion—suppose Captain Brown were travelling in
the United States, he would be allowed to he arrested.
Suppose he was to be arrested and tried, and the conse-
quence would be that he was found guilty, were the
people of England to submit to that ? Were the people
of England to allow one of its officers to be put on hit
trial for obeying thi-4 orders ? That was the question. He
would ask the Noble Lord did he mean to let Mr.
M'Leod's trial proceed ? That gentleman was imprisoned
now six months, and he ( Mr. T. Duncombe) would repeat
it, the people of England ought to know why their fellow-
subject was impr soned. Certainly if the Hen. Member
would divide the House. on the question, he (Mr. D.)
would vote with him.

S'r ROBERT PEEL begged to explain. The
question asked was whether Mr. M'Leod would be re-
leased or noi. He (Sir R. Peel) gave no opinion on that ;
whet h said was that when the Hon. Gentleman moved for
the papers referred to, the producti )n of which it was stated
would be prejudicial to tile public hterest, he (Sir Robert
Peel) said that it was his opinion that they *night not to
be produced.

Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but the mo-
tion was negatived without a division.

MR. VIZARD.

Colonel SIBTHORP moved that the attention of the
House he called to the appointment of Colonel V:zard to
the office of Solicivr t ) the Home Department. The
Hon. and Gallant Member said he thought it a duty he
owed the country to bring forward that motion. He
meant to move also for certain papers relative to that ap-
pointment. He conceived he was hound to take the sense
of the House on this subject, en account of the corm,-
pondence which emanated, both from the Home-office
and the Treasury, relative to the matter. For the space
of forty-three years the duti.s of the Home-office had
been satisfactorily discharged without the assistance of a
solicitor. He was inclined, for his part, to attribute the
appointment to the want of energy, gocd conduct, and
proper management of the Members of the present G
vernment. He moved for a third return of the appoint-
ment of this gentleman as Secretary of Bankrupts, fur he
found this gentleman, who held a lucrative situ-
ation of 1,5001. a-year, held this situation also.
It it was necessary to appoint a Solicitor to the Home-offiee,
a gentleman sho•old he selected who would be able to
g" his mi.:aided atteotion to the business. The Hon.
G'ntier.ien said he would take the sense of the House on
"'K/ occasion when the vote was proposed for the pay-
ment of this salary. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by
moving a resolution to the effect, that the appointment of
Mr. Vizard to the office of Solicitor to the Hume-t.ffice
was unnecessary and ought to be cancelled.
Mr. F. M AUL E said that the appointment of Mr.
Vizard, as Solicitor to the Home Department, arose out
of the great increase of business, in consequence of the
passing of various Acts of Parliament. Almost every other
department had its separate solicitor. There were many
contracts entered into by the Home Department, in which
such advice was necessary. The expense arising out of
the want of a legal advis r, in the case of the Ponce Com-
missioners, had been 8001. a-year; that was anothi rof
the grounds upon which the appointment was made. With
re-pest to the other situation which Mr. Vizard held, it
was no unusual course for a gentleman to hold two or
more offices under the Crown. He trusted that the House
would be satisfied as to the propriety of the appointment,
both on account of the pecuniary saving, and also from the
advantage which must be derived from such assistance.
As to the necessity of appointing a Solicitor to the Home-
office, he thought that two opinions could not exist. He
would confidently leave the matter in the hands of the
House.—(Cries of '• Divide, divide.")
SIBTHORP was at a loss to know why Mr. Vi..
zard had been selected, when so many other competer.t
persons might have been appointed to fill the office. The
whole affair was a job.
Mr. HUM E said he would take this opportunity of ask-
ing whether the Government intended to introduce a Bill
for the regulation of the Court of Bankruptcy ?
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the Lord Char-
cellor was about to bring in a Bill on that subject. The
Hon. and Learned Gentleman then made a few observe-
lions in defence of Mr. Vizard's appointment.
Mr. GOULBURN would support his Hon. and Gal-
lant Friend's motion in case it went to a division, but he
would recommend him to withdraw.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said the motion was so en-
tirely unusual, the matter being yet under negociation, that
he hoped the House would not require the Production of
the correspondence. The Hon. Gentleman bad com-
plained of the conduct i f the Government with respect to
this question. He (Lord John Russell) would state how
the matter stood. The Government of the United
States had made a complaint of the conduct of
certain individuals and officers who were said to have taken
part in the destruction of the steam-boat Caroline. The
answer to that complaint was the transmission of a r_ceei
quantity of correspondence, and of various steeei;en,
made by the Governor of Upper Cana" e, and by
a number of individuals who were coneer:red in the trans-
action; the American Government sent counter state.
ments, but they did net persist in aeieing for a final answer to
their demands. The effect of
',heir not asking for an an-
swer was, that the act of i:ee British Government ceased
and it was not for the British
to be matter of discussie,e,
Government to cemplain of that conduct. He was
convinced that the matter would have entirely
dropped as between the two Governments, if it had
not been fur the unfortunate affair of Mr. MiLeod.
That had revived the suject, and produced discussions
with regard to the recent case of the steam-boat Caroline.
That arrest had unfortimetely revived the subject, and
I bad produced a renewed discussion between the two Go-
vernments. With regard to the production of the corre-
spondence asked for, be had to state that it would be in-
convenient to the public service, and tend to embarrass
the negotiation that was now going or, in an amicable
spirit, and might tend to militate against the peace of two
great and intelligent nations.—( elr, ar, hear.)
Mr. HUM E wanted the papers in order to prove that
an assertion made by the Noble Secretary for the Foreign
Department was not founded in fact. He said that the
American Government had not persisted in demanding an
answer to their remonstrance of March, 1838 ; while Mr.
Forsyth distinctly said that Mr. Stevenson was not
to press the Government here because he had been
as, tired by Mr. Fox that in a few days they would have
an answer or communication from the Government direct
from this country. Now he wanted the papers for the
purpose of seeiree whether the statement of Lord Palmer-
ston in his allegation were correct. The Right Hon.
Baronet the Member for Tamworth said some time ago
that there might be a limit to the complaisance of the
House in putting up with the refusal of papers—in his
opinion that time had now arrived. Had be
been furnished with the papers respecting Syria,
the affairs of the East would have been fettled
long before they were, and the peace of Europe would
not have been endangered. So, had he been fur-
nished with these papers respecting tt e Caroline, the
question would have been forced upon the attention of
the Government, and would have been settled long ago.
He therefore submitted that as he merely wanted a pri-
vete correspondence, and no secrets that could interfere
with the negotiations between the two coentrica, he was
entitled to the informatien which he required.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that the production of
the correspondence could not enable the Hon. Gentleman
to attain the end which he proposed. The American Ge-
vernment had asked for redress for the burning of the Ca-
roline, but to that request her Mdjesty's Government delibe-
rately, and not through any neglect, did not think it proper
to give a final answer. But his Noble Friend the Secretary
for Foreign Affairs, bad since informed the American Mi-
nister at the Court of London, that the British Govern.
ment had justified the destruction of the Caroline, upon
which the American Minister had made such communica-
tion to his Government, as he thought expedient, but that
communication had not yet transpired.
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Mr. HUME said that since the month of May, THE PRICE OF BREAD IN PARIS. AND
1838, when the American Government had inquired LONDON.—The present assize or fixed price bf the first
into the unfortunate transaction, and had requested quality of bread in Paris, as eatabli-lied by the municipal
satisfaction from the British Government, no answer i authority of that city, Is 27 et ntimre for the loaf of the
whatever had been given, until a very late period, to the I weight of one kilogramme, Which, at the present course of ex-
American Minister, either verbally or by letter. He changer in Paris bn London, as above, for bias of ore months'
tbought that this was an improper delay, and that Minis. date, !hot atr of '2,,ef nOrt ne ne per poundsterling,
tens pv , .
~ . , y
. fifty-seven hundredths) of a farthing for the h eli li four-
Kilkenny
I answers to 4d. and very near three-fifths (or, more exactly,
ters were now abusing the patience of the House.
, pound loaf; and pr_e,s nt price. at which the be'sni., Or, asi
Sir ROBERT PEEL said that the Hon. Member for
NmoobtliconLcoardl lining, extensivetfobryaandeear
a iorjernorze- lis term.d. " full. riced bred is currently sold in London,
spondencch,
1 being 9(1. for ale four-pound loaf (although in some quarters
awlhimcbade thea
in his capacity of responsible Minister of the Crownof
i Cat tnvili 10d. is dema4ded), shows that that the best bread
that negotiations connected with the subject •; dearer in London than in, Paris by 44d., and rather more
were now pending the. two :
eritettriee, than two-fifths (or, more exactly, forty-three hundredths) of
negotiations conducted in an amicable %nrit —and that pre- a farthing for the four-pound loaf, being at the rate of one
judiee to the interests
of the coil:airy might arise by the pro. hundred and four and very nearly three-quarters (within a mi-
duction of the correspnd.'::cee. Now, in his (Sir R. P.'s) nute fraction) per cent, or more than double the price for
' • such a stetement, on the part of opinion, a Minister of the sane quantity and quality ; and that the same amount of
ur halm an London
,-, • money, namely, 2id. as above which can e , the Crown, was. Cenclusive in the case. uuring
so more than four ,pounds of ' best bread, there may be ob-
the
negotiations Meeting with foreign countries it would eer- tamedat this • •
is time in Paris eight pounds three ounces and
taint be unwise to force a Minister of the Crown to pre- rather exceeding half a dram, English weight, of the first qua-
! itici'xe the public interests by the production of papers. lity of bread. 'fhe assize or fixed price in Paris for bread of
He wished, however, to ask the Noble Lord in the second quality, or wheat-n, as regulated by law, is at pre••
villa., position the question now stood ? He be. sent 20 centimes for the lel Weighing one kilogramme, cor-
lieved the British Government had avowed the responding with 3id, and three-quarters of a ,arthing for the
burning of the Caroline as a public act, and had called on English four-pound loaf ; and as the price of wheaten or se
the Government of the United States for the release of cond-priced bread in London is now. 8d: for the f?erspotind
loaf. it is seen that bread of that quality is dearer. in London
Colonel M`Leod. He wished to know from the Noble
than in Paris by 41/2d. and one-quarter of a farthing for the
Lord what had since occurred,
four-pound loaf, beiug considerably more than double the price
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the statement made in
. for the same quality f o brea'd, as for the same price, namely,
answer to the application of Mr. Fox was, teat the A!. 8., as above, which is the cost of but four pounds of wheaten
torney-General to the United States Government bread in London, there may be bought in Paris nine pounds
would proceed to the place where the trial was to four ounces, and thirteen drams, English weight, of the second
bo held, and that he had instructions given him as to quality of bread.
his mode of proceedieg, which he ( Lori J. R. ) did not think SERIOUSe'I Ol'
CCURRENCE AT THE ERMINUS
it necessary or proper to state at that moment. It appeared : or THE LONDON AND Bt RN/INGHAM RAlLWAY.—Wednesday that do Aitoreey- General proee,ded to the place of ttial,.but i mornin:,, abut twelve, an occurrence of a frightful character
did not take any course himself. Tie counsel for Mr. M• 'seed i took place at the terminus of the London and Birmingham Rail-
declared that one of the defences of Mr. iVl'Leod was ! way, Euston-grove. Mr. Wii,
lit, the coach-builder, had occa-
ihat the act had been authorised 'by the Br t,sh G warn- sion to be at the statioet on business, and had left his horse, a
(Lent, and he. therefore, moved that the ease sheuld he re- very valuable are, s-
pirited animal, attached to his gig at the
moved :o a Federal Curt. That application had been . further extrem;ty of the station-yard, whilst he went across the
complied with, and the cause had been removed lilac into the offices, unattended. He had scarcely been gone
into a Federal Court, and that Court would I ',TQ minutes before the animal beenme very restive, and findingfarf
, 'itself at liberty dashed off alp the ard with. the mot e .
judge of the defence of Mr. M'Leod. In that Court no
p ed, and continent its • until it arrived at the massive
doubt the Attorney. General of the United Status could r',o i iron- e `3 progress
against which it
gates at tut entrance of the terminus,
that which he (Lord John R.) supposed it was impos•Ale came in cortioct with a violence so frightful as to shatter the
for him to do in the Court of the State of New York. ' gig to elect's. and to cause the animal to rebound backward to
Mr. S. O'BRIEN hoped the Noble Lord wnuld not , the extent of severalprostrate and bleeding
yards, where it lay
reface the production of those documents which had already ' for some
time, when death ended its sufferings.
appeared in the American papers. It there were any otbrer 1 Goon LUSK- 0 the day a the inauguration
n
iu existence, he would not ask for them, but he could not I of President from Virginia, familiar
see how the public service could be prejudiced by the pro- with the hinter
Harrison,mon a gentleman r
M Tyler, remarked to
y and charaeter of e
duction of papers which had already been publVti din ' ' President would not live
~ e
America.
' thirty ditis•—" Nonsense I" was the reply. "The old
Sir ROBERT PEEL hoped the Noble 'Lord w ld
uor I. See how active
nu gentlemen is hale and hearty as yo .
2,
not accede to any such proposition. Indepe meet, f h
y o t e alert he moves He is good for ten years certain.
precedent being a very bad one, he coos:idered it would , antiHe looks v . -b I tell you he wont live a
eery well I admit, but .
he deroaatory to the dignity of Parliamcset to ask for just ! month, note' t tution or state of health
at) much iaformation, beoause it bepre4ed to ho given ' .at ,Lnuding. No co4B-1- „, y h ii,4l;
to . can stand John-nvier's good etick."..:o6u7 " .
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Colonel SI BTHO R R—The present is an unfortunate
hoar.—( Loud cres of " Sprite, spa ke," Chair, chair,"
" Divide, divide," and much la-ghrer, in the midst of which
the Hon. and Gallant Mealier said he would not trouble
the House with a divkior.
MR ARTS.
On the motion of Mr. HAWES the following Members
were appointed the Select Committee or, the Fine Arts:—_
Mr. Havv,-9, Mr. Labouchere, Sir Robert Peel, Mr. Gally
Knight, Mr. Hume, Mr. Wyse, Mr. Blake, Sir Robert
Harry Iri liq, Lord Brabazon, Lord Franc;3 Eg.n ton, Mr.
kwzrt, Mr. Mitnes, Colonel Rawdon, Mr. Henry Thomas
Hope, and Mr. Pusey.

Mr. H UME ~aid that as there were so few M Inhers
present, he would postpone the motion of which he had
given notice, to call the attention of the House to the Re-
port of the Printing Committee, and to its recommends.
tions in regard to returns to be moved for in the House.
The Hon. Member trusted that when he brought the sub-
ject under the consideration of the House, there would bo
a fuller attendance.—Motion postponed.
The Exchequer Bills (11;000,0000 Bill was read a
second time.

The other Orders of the Day Were then disposed of,
and the House adjourned at a Quarter past Seven o'Clock,

SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.

FROM THE DAILY PAYERS OF YESTERDAY.

CHRONICLE.—The Tunes contrasts in a tone of
apear.int triumph the Whig Budget of 1841 with the last
Conservative Budget of 1830. The Conservatives, we
are told, la fc a revenue of 50,430,0001. which their inca-
pable successors have contrived to reduce to 48310,0001.,
and thereupon is founded a tirade about ‘' prodigious mis-
maragement." Did it never recur to the writer, that
the fact that a reduction of upwards of 7.000,000/. in the
t aation of the country had been effected, with a loss to
the revenue of only 2,200,0001., might be a proof of any
thing rather than financial mismanagement? True, the
revenue of the country is less in 1841 than it was in 1830,
but why? Did not the following list of taxes figure in
Mr. Goulburn's Budget, which have been repealed by
subsequent Whig Administrations :
Duty on coals and slates £900,000
Candles 500,000
Printed cottons...
House tax 1,200,000
Seep duty, reduced one-half
Postage, reduced to id.
To say nothing of the various minor taxes which bave
been repealed or reduced, on tiles, hemp, insurances en
marine and farming stock and on farm-houses, clerks,
shopmen, tax-carts, paper, newspapers, and other articles?
The sum-total of taxes taken off by Whig Govern-
ments in the ten years from 1831 to 1841, exclusive
ef the loss snstained by the adoption of the penny
posteee, amounts to £7,116,623 ; deducting from
which £879,802, the amount of new taxes imposed,
we have for the total ren.ission of taxation by the
Whigs the annual sum of £6.236,821, or, with the
pestaee, of u owards of 7,200,000. Add this to the re-
venue stated in Mr. Baring's Budget, and then compare
it with that of his Conservative predecessor. The " pro-
digious mismanagement" which has continued " to reduce
our revenue 2,170,000/. per annum," now turns out, in
point of fact, to have increased the tax-paring resources
of the country by upwards of 5 000,0001. Re-impose the
taxes which have been repealed, and the balance-sheet of
the Chancellor of the Exchequer w:11 look a great deal
mere favourable, Any child could tell this. But the
question now at issue between the two great pa'ties of the
State is very different. The question is, whether new
taxes shall be imposed, not as a means of meeting the
necessary expences of the country, but as a means of
keeping up the system by which the great bulk of
cur population are wade to pay a higher price than
any other European nation for the necessaries of life, in
order to swell the incomes of a few landowners, here and
in the colonies. The Government, finding that the time
had come when this system could no longer be maintained
without closing the best markets in the world against the
produce of our industry, striking a fetal blow at our ex-
istence as a great manufacturing nation, and at the same
time reimposing upon the country a fresh burden or op-
pressive taxation, have di termined, wisely and manfully,
to adopt a new system, founded upon principles of obvi sus
justice and a lvantage. The Tories, finding that the Go-
vernment had adopted the cause of commercial reform,
have taken their stand as the champions of monopoly.
Disguise it as they like, the country can see Viscount
Sendon's motion in no other light than as the gage of
battle thrown down by monopoly against free trade.
G LOBE—The country is to choose between statesmen
who have something to say to them, and statesmen who
have nothing to say to them, about their most urgent in-
terests—between men who have views, and men who
have no views, the course to be taken, in the present
commercial and financial crisis—for that is what it really
amounts to—the crisis which must decide our future pros-
perous progress, or distress and declnie. There is iede el no
occasion for alarm in the amount of i'eficiency occasi fined in
our revenues by increased ex; cniiture. There is no cause
of alarm for the present, but much of consideration for the
future. Our expenditure has again outstripped our income,
and the question arises, has our economy no resources but
those of times of national and commercial warfare ? Are
we again to run the gauntlet through a new seiies of
loans aid taxes? Are we again to reeard ourse.vea as
isolated, as the war party proclahre I France last year--
again to meet Berlin decrees by •Orders in Council, and
take exclusion from European and American markers as
a matter of course? Are we to suffer Prussian leagues
to ceneolid ee, Brazilian treaties to expire, American
tails to rise ag:lnst us, without a thought of averting
the consequences? Are we to rest in this easy attitude,
in the f ice of the warning which is given us by a revenue
stationary despite of increased taxation stationary,
despite the attempt to raise, by increased taxes on cones
sumption, the means of meeting the recent increase of
public expenditure! The limit of taxation in this direction
has clearly been reached ; and to find that we have re ached
that limit is surely sufficient warning to(examine
ahether we have not sinned against wise maxims of pub-
lic economy, and whether it is not in recurrence to
those nsaxiais that we must seek selvatioo. We find that
from 1833 to 1836, netwithstan deg the reductions made
in each year both in tae Customs and Excise duties,
the receipts rapidly increased, even in a greater ratio
than the supposed increase of population. In the four
g en-, instead of the surplus (of 14,646/. in
1834, of 1,707,093/ in 1835, of 2,075,9911, in 1836))
we find a falling-off in the proceeds of taxes upon con-
sumption, aid we now find we have reached the limit
to which those taxes can be raised. Ail this, it may be
' said, indicates oily temporary estiopression ; and the
springs of prosperity, and sources of revenue, wilt recover
their vigour. Surely, however, it is the duty of States-
men to examine the causes of dirniii6hed resources (in
proportion to increased population and public expend -
I tune); arid if perverse restrictions are amongst those
causes, to propose their removal, as a weight upon the
springs of prosperity fatal to their elastic play.
ST AND AR D. —Tbe proposition before the country is
to admit foreign sugar on such terms as shall entitle
it. to c rrnpe:e with tae sugar of our own free colonies.
The proposition must mean this, whatever be the
scale of duties suggested, or it means nothing ; for
if fore gn sugar be sii 1 charged with a prohibitory
duty, neither can the revenue be better for the
change, nor the article cheaper or more abundant.
The supply of foreign sugar must, for much the
greater part, come from the Brazils and from Cuba, and
from whatever quarter it ma) come, it must ba the pro-
duction of slaves. Whist, Cien, is the state of the slave-
trade in the Brazils and in Cube ? We entre: t that our
readers will mark th.: di,tinet'on between slavery and the
slave.trade. Slavery, wi..h.mt the slave-trade, is an evil ;
but it is an evil infinitely mitigated by the value of
the slave to his proprietor. Slavery, accompanied by the
slave-trade, is the evil in its wnole abominable wickedness.
The extent of importation is not alone the measure of mur-
ders committed in procuring the slaves ; it is as certainly the
index of the murders and cruelties commieed in the coun-
try to which the slaves are carried. As we have seen,
no importation of slaves was found necessary to our West
India colonies during a quarter of a century, because
iu those colonies sieves were prot, ceed by British
law ; but what is the case with the Braids and with
Cuba? In the 34th page of Sir Thomas Fowell
Buxton's work on the Airican Slave-trade, published
last year-_a work which we could wish to are in every
haul at this moineet--we filed the number of slates Ist-
PORTED ANNUALLY into THE BRAZILS AND CUBA reted
upon the averages of 1836.1837, at ONE HUNDRED
AND FIFTY THOUSAND. The number is ineroddie ;
but whoever will follow Sir Thomas in his minute and
careful calculation must come to the conclusion that it is
not exaggerated. Here, then, is a waste of the lives of
slaves in the Brazils: and in Cubs, caliug for an annual
supply of' one hundred and fifty thousand notwithstanding
the tendency of the Negro population to increase beyond
the ordinary rate of the human race. The waste of life
which calls for an annual supply of 150,000, must
exceed 200,000. This, however, is not. all : bad as it is,
that 150,000 of our fellow-creatures are yearly draggel
into shivery and exile, to replace more than 150,000 mur.
dered in their chains, as bad or worse remains. Sir Thos,
Fowell Buxton calculates that for 150,000 slaves landed
250,000 are destroyed in the capture or the middle passage,
but as the calculation (p. 200) is short aid clear we will
copy it teas
The annual victims ate
Vitt., Otte-half perish before embarkation 200,000
One-fourth in the middle passage 5O 000
Landed only
And of these one-fifth die in the seasoning, leaving ie feet
but Igo,ooo slaves available, at a cost of 400,000 lives.
The slivery and slave trade of the Braids and Cuba from
this calculation appears to cost 400,000 lives, fur the
150,000 imported are merely necessary to replace 150,000
previousy destroyed, And this is tae accursed traffic
which we arc summoned to perpetuate and pamper by
bounties, in the hope, forsooth, of realising 700.000 L—less
than the deficiency in the Post-office revenue alone!
COURIER.—Tbe Ministerial press is right enough,
at least we hope so, in its aneouncement this morning.
One of them dolorously exclaims—" The tactics of the
Tories begin to be unfolded. West India monopolists,
timber monopolists, and corn monopolists, have entered into
a treaty of alliance, offensive and defensive. The West
Indian advance first, under a banner on which is inscribed
The rights of the negro,' and No slave grown sugar.' "
It is only by such a combinion of force that the inte-
rests of one and every class can be defeedel, and the
murderous assaults of the common foe of each decisively
repelled. Would these kind and considerate destruc.
lives, for example, have the agricultural interest to stand
tamely by, bands crossed in apathetic acquiescence,
whilst West India interests were eacrlced, and Cana-
dian staples rendered valueless ? Or, on the other
hand, would they counsel to the colonial inte-
rests the suicidal policy of aiding and abetting to pull
down the home landed interest, the great parent of all ?
No, no; the Government scribes are right enough so
far as they go, but they are not right to ail the extent,
for East Lelia interests are banded in the same cause
with the West, and the great shipping interest of the
country is already among the first and feremest in tee
field to contead for the rights and the protection
equally due to all. It is indeed a "holy league," and
will shortly ripen into a " Covenant" also, when each and
very interest now so suddenly menaced in the first and
vital condiiious, not alone of thsir prosperity, but of their
vary existence. shasl h-se had somewhat more tine to
meet together i t deliberation, and to mature their plans
f the overthrow of a scheme of the most comprehen-
sive and gigantic spnilation which ever was meditated
by tevoluti 'nary government since or before the
thqs of the first Freech Revolution, when church pro-
perty was confiscated one day and the rights of property of
the noble arid wea'thy swept away the next with the abo-
litiob of the moca'chy itself. We shall not have long to
wait now for the decision of the all-important question,
whether that Government, blind, besotted, and furious as
Samson caught in the toile, shall have strength left, in the
desperation of present struggles for ascendancy, to pull
down the pillars of tine State, and so finally to accelerate
in any case the atheist of their own fell and irretrievable
prostration hereafter.

PUN FOR LAWYERS.—It was mentioned to a
weh known Glasgow wit, that an interdict was to b'
plied fur by the proprietors of Crotshill (on which !ands
Doolan and RAiding are ordered to be hanged); Ah
said the wit, it is very el,r,,,•Ar that if tl,e'e is n( an interdict
titers will bo a euspension,—Glusgow Chronicle.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
ROUSE OF LORDS, MAY 6•

SCOTTISH UNION INSURANCE COMPANY 11. THE MARQUIS OF

QUEENSBERY.

The LORD CHANCRLLOR was engaged this morning in
the Howe of Lords hearing the conclusion of the argu-
ments in this appeal, but deferred judgment. His Lurd-
ship then left to attend a Cabinet Council.