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matter nal-nxteeci which he had given notice MI
the day before. Hemould content himself by laying the
facts of the case before the House, and leave it to deal
With them. On Tuesday last, in the exercise of that
judgmentb which it was so desirous should be left unfet-
tered an circumstances whatever, he, after attending
to the debate on the subject of the Raja of Sattarab, had
come to the conclusion that it was his duty to vote ag inst
the motion of the Hon. Member for Montrose. Happen-
ing to sit next morning near the Hon. Member for
Rochester, the Hon. Member for Montrose came across
the House, and, in an excited manner—(Langhter)—
'said to him, " You voted against me last night." He
Rib. Spooner) replied that he had done so, when the
on. Member rejoined, " I will bring the conduct of
your son before the House." The Hon. Member also
threatened to do the same with respect to a roar relative
of the Hon. Member for Gateshead (Mr. Hutt) who had
also voted against him; and he added, " lam prepared to
Prove that only 13 independent Members voted against
zne."—(Laughter.) That was the real statement of the
facts. He (Mr. Spooner) immediately said that if the
Hon. Member had any charge to prefer against his son,
he would, as a matter of courtesy, state to him what
were the particulars of his charges, so that he might
have an opportunity of replying to it. The Hon. Member
for Montrose's only reply was—" Look to the
Blue-book and see the certificate he gave—he
was a magistrate concerned in the matter." He (Mr.
Spooner) did not know at the time what was the proper
language for him to use—(Laughter)—but he consulted
several of his friends of more experience than himself, and
they had told him that this was a matter which he could
not let pass, and that he ought to state the thing to the
Rouse, and let the House deal with it as it thought fit.
this were not a breach of privilege, it at least assumed
the character of intimidation, and it was conduct cer-
tainly that ought not to be withheld from the
knowledge of the House. He would just call the
attention of the House to the concluding circum-
stance, that whatever might be the ground of the
charge which the Hon. Member for Montrose had to
bring against his son, that this was a singular time to
do it, considering that he had had the Blue-book before
him, in which the transaction with which his son
was connected had been for two years recorded. But
the Hon. Member for Montrose did not confine himself
to the single charge, for he also brought a charge
against a relative of the Hon. Member for Gateshead.
These were_the circumstances to which be had to call the
attention of the Home, and he trusted that his expres-
sions in doing so had evinced no improper feeling. He
would now leave the matter altogether at the dis•
Posit' of the House. If it were necessary that he
should explain the reason why he had given this
Tote he was prepared to do so, but as he could impart no
new information upon the subject he had preferred giv-
ing a silent vote upon the subject. He would here leave
the matter entirely in the hands,of the House.
Mr. HUME said that in all his experience this was the
most extraordinary speech that had ever been made by
any Member in that House. While sitting at home, at five
o'clock, he had received a note from the Hon. Member for
Birmingham, requesting him to be in the House at four
o'clock. He (Mr. Hume) was entirely at a loss to un-
derstand what he wanted with him. He did not know
whether the Hon. Member thought that he had com-
mitted some violation of his Seduction Act—(Roars of
laughter)—or what it might have been that the
Honourable Member intended to charge him with. But
he was now undeceived upon the point, and he would
leave it to the House whether any Hon. Member in it
had ever heard a charge like this brought forward. It
appeared to him that the Hon. Member ought to be
obliged to him instead of complaining of his conduct.—
(Laughter.) What he had said to the Hon. Member for
Birmingham was, "I see you voted against me last
night ;" he said " I did." " Have you seen the result
of the numbers ?" " No." " Then I can tell
you, that out of the numbers who voted against
•me twenty-eight belonged to the late and present Go-
vernment and to the East India House, and only t our-
• teen independent Members really voted against the
!n_otion. I therefore put the fourteen independent
Members against my twenty-three supporters, and I
o9nsider that the division was in my favour."—(Laugher.)
lie referred to the Mr. Spooner mentioned in the Blue
book, and the Hon. Member for Birmingham said " He
_ nexmt); son." He (Mr. Hume) then said, "On Tuesday,
ing this
give the House an opportunity of reconsider-
dy . question, and I will then refer to this
and show that only fourteen independent
Members
a,k Toted against me." That was all that had
Taken place, and a more gratuitous interference on the
Part of the Hon. Member for Birmingham he had
• never seen. It would be his duty on Tuesday next to
show that both the Hon. Member for Birmingham and
the Hon. Member for Gateshead had been influenced
by external„ c4'cumstances .; their._ near- relatives
being actitig, .inagistrates in the earlier history
of these circumstances, the one being the magis-
trate before whom the robber was brought, on whose
body was found the papers connected with the Goa con-
spiracy, and the other the magistrate who imprisoned
Govind Row, the principal minister of the late Raja.
Re did not mean to impugn their characters as magis-
trates, because he could show that they had acted under
instructions from head-quarlers. The Hon. Member
had charged him with a breach of privilege ; he
m•-• thought he could better charge the Hon. Member
With a breach of confidence in thus bringing
before the House private conversation. He thought the
Hoc, Member for Birmingham, had nut, in this instance,
acted with his usual good sense and correct judgment.
Mr. HUTT.said that the lion. Member for Montrose
did not alWays exhibit a most perfect wisdom, nor
Was his language and demeanour, on all occ isions,
toe most delicate and proper. He (
latt) cared nut for any a tempts that mig
be made to asperse his relations by the
lion. Member for Montrose. Lie always received them
with cheerfulness, and in fact rather liked them.—
(Laughter.) The Hon. Member then proceeded to
state, that when Govind Row was placed in prison Mr.
Hutt proceeded immediately to release him, had him
placed in one of the principal houses in the town, and
bad his comforts carefully attended to. The minister of
the late Raja wished to make a private communication to
him, buthe was informed before doing. so that such cornmu •
nicationwoulti be forwarded to the Government of Bombay.
It appeared that Govind Row made a full confession of
the circumstances of the conspiracy, but that he after-
wards retracted it, and stated as his reason for doing so
that it had been extorted from him while he was con-
fined in a dungeon. The Hon. Member for Montrose
swilled to think that Mr. Hutt had been instrumental
in placing this person in a dungeon, for the express
purpose of extorting that confesssion from him.
• —(Heat., hear.) But this was utterly at variance
with the truth.—(He-r, hear.) He sincerely trusted
that the Hon. Gentleman would abstain for the future
in making charges which were devoid of truth.
Mr. BANKES entirely repudiated the notion that
there was any privacy in the conversation. which the
Ilon. Member for Montrose had with the Hon. Member
for Birmingham. He spoke so loud that any one sitting
near the Hon. Member for Birmingham could not fail to
hear the purport of his observations ; in fact it seemed
Its if the Hon. Member for Montrose had come over
to the Hon. Member for Birmingham for the express
purpose of making the statement to him. When he
made use of the observations referred to, he (Mr. Bankes)
told him that he must be joking ; but be (Mr. Hume)
replied that it was no joke, and that he should bring it
before the House. He (Mr. Bankes), however, was no
party to the course which the Hon. Gentleman had
-adopted. He considered that the Hon. Member for Bir-
mingham's character required no vindication—(Rear,
hear)—he certainly did not deserve to be excluded
frome
_ those who had given, according to the Hon. Mem-
ber
Sirf DorMEontrose, independent votes.
LACY EVANS here rose to inquire whe-
ther the twenty pensioners whose pensions had been
Commuted in 1833, and who had performed certain ser-
vices in Canada, would be restored to the condition of
their comrades in Canada, who had received pensions,
whilst those who had been left in this country received
none. The consequence was, that upwards of one-half
of them were in the greatest misery. He wished, at the
same time, to recommend that Dr. Arnold's principle of
- ventilation should be applied to barracks, which could be
done very economically.
Mr. B. OSBORNE considered that the Hon. and
Gallant Member ought not to have withdrawn the atten-
tion of the House from the subject which was before it.
He hoped the House would call upon the Hon. Member
for Birmingham and the Hon. Member for Montrose to
give them assurance that they would not commit a breach
of the peace.—(Roars of laughter, which continued for
some minutes.)
Sir R. INGLIS said, if the Hon. Member for Mon-
trose had considered Mr. Hutt and Mr. Spooner guilty
of the conduct imputed to them, he ought to have
included them in the list of the persons whom he ac-
cused; he certainly ought not to have impugned the
motives of those who had voted on the division.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL—I am much of the same
nl linion as the Hon. Baronet who has just resumed his
se 3t. I think, to speak to gentlemen after they have
vo, ted, and to impute to them that they have given
the it votes, not in accordance with their own opinion,
but f,l consequence of the opinions of their connexions, is
a sic at unbecoming thing, and if it were done with
res pect to the generality of the votes of this House the
eatest inconvenience could not fail to be the result ;
butt I do ns,it think, for we have been long acquainted
ith the language used by the Hon. Member, that he
really meant to impute any improper motives. The
lion. Member possesses a charter of liberty, and has
never made himself a very strict master of the English
language.—(Roars of laughter.) I think he made the
statement without anybody, either within or without
the House, thinking about it.—(Continued laughter.)
I think the Hon. Member for Birmingham and the Hon.
Member for Gateshead (Mr. Hutt) must be both satis-
fied that their relations are not guilty of the charges
brought against them, and that there is not a person
either within or without this House who will pay the
slightest attention to the subject.—(Laughter and hear.)
Mr. AGLIONBY said the Noble Lord had called the
Ron. Member for Montrose a chartered libertine.—
(Rozsrs of laughter, during the continuance of which
the Noble Lord shook his head, whilst some Hon.
Members in the vicinity of the Hon. Member for
Cookermouth assured him that the Noble Lord had not
Made use of any such expression.) He admitted that
he had fallen into an error; he had misunderstood the
Noble Lord—(Laughter)—but if the Hon. Gentleman
was privileged, it was on account of his good humour,
and on account of his anxiety to assist any Hon. Mem •
her to whom his experience would be useful, and
he was sure both his former and present services had
created a debt of gratitude on the part of the country,
which never would be paid.—(Cheers.) He believed
him wholly free from blame. He trusted the matter
would go no further.
Mr. HUME said on a former evening when he was
called by a Member of the Cabinet a thief and a receiver
of stolen goods—(Cries of " Oh! oh I")—he took no
• notice of those expressions, because he helieved tile)
were used in the warmth of &bate, but when the Noble
lord, the premier of this country, rose and told him

that he had not learned. his own language—(Laughter)
—he thought it his duty to rise and defend himself from
such a charge. He did not know on what authority the
Noble Lord had made use of these expressions. A puff
or a joke was all very well, but he did think that such
language from the Noble Lord was unbecoming and
unworthy of him.
The matter then dropped, and Mr. Hume passed on
to the opposite benches. and took his seat for a few
moments, amid considerable cheering and laughter, by
the side of Mr. Spooner.
Mr. FOX MAULE then replied to the question of
the Hon. Member' for Westminster. Ho said the matter
should be taken into consideration.
Mr. ELLICE said, when he was Secretary-at-War,
he believed, as well as his memory would serve him,
that the men referred to had their pensions commuted
for two or three years' pay; but the men spent
the money they received in public-houses, and were
found wandering about London in a state of destitution,
so that they were unable to fulfil their promise, and to
make their way to America, but some of their comrades
have found their way from America to this country.
He considered their case worthy of the seri-
ous attention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
and recommended it to his attention. There were, it
appeared, but fourteen persons, and the expense of allow-
ing them a small pension would not be considerable. He
would not say whether it was or was not creditable to
this country, to have persons who had served them
wandering about in a state of destitution.
ROMAN CATHOLIC SOLDIERS.
Mr. MACARTHY inquired whether the Hon. Gen-
tleman the Secretary at-War intended to take any vote
for the purpose of finding Roman Catholic soldiers with
religious consolation from the ministers of their own
religion ?
Mr. MAULE said provision was made for Roman
Catholic soldiers receiving the consolation of
their religion both at home and abroad.
It would be too bad to let this matter rest without insti-
tuting some further inquiry into it. Good effects would
be produced by the publication of these cases. It was
well known that the principal landed proprietors were
absentees, and until lately they had not been called
upon to act in public capacities. The administra-
tion of the poor-laws was the first public duty they
were called upon to perform, and he was quite
sure that these cases of fraud had occurred through
ignorance, or a strong desire to avoid refusing relief
when it was asked for. The publication of these cases,
however, would have the effect of inducing the magis-
tracy to be more cautious in future, and he trusted there-
fore that his.motion would not be objected to. No doubt
they had no desire to do more than what was right and just,
and if publicity were given to those who were defaulters
he was confident it would to the exercise of more dis-
crimination in the system of relief adopted in Ireland.
No greater benefit could be done to the Irish nation
than by teaching them the value of character and repu-
tation, and nothing could more tend to give them such
instruction than by holding their defaulters up to public
opinion.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr STAFFORD O'BRIEN did not blame the Hon.
Member for Nlallow for bringing the subject before the
House, but he did not think it advisable to publish
these cases now that Parliament was about to break up,
and the parties who might be falsely accused would have
no opportunity of making any explanation to that house.
Messengers from the Lords appeared at the bar and
summoned the House to hear the Royal Assent given by
commission to a number of public and private Bills, for
the names of which see the Lorsis revrt.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN, in continuation, said that he
should feel it his duty to resist the motion of the Hon.
Member.
Mr. LABOUCHERE was ready to admit that the
Relief Commissioners bad stated to the Government
that some or the relief comini.tees were not in the
habit of dischargine truly and faithfully their
duty. These cas. s, however, he was happy to say,
formed the exception aed not the rule. He bought
that the motion of the Hon. Member, 'hat there should
be laid before the House so much of the correspondence
or reports of the inspectors under the Act 10 Vic. c. 7,
(with the name, rank, and residence of the parties re-
ferred to), as contains the statements by the Commis-
sioners of relief in their communications to the Govern-
ment, would, if carried out, be attended with a good
deal of useless and most vexatious inquiries. He
could not agree with the statement that there was a
wide difference between the conduct of a person in the
magistracy and a- party in a lower station of life, Ile
did not know that he need trouble the House any fut Cher
upon this subject. He did not agree with his Hon.
Friend the Member for Mallow that this iuquiry would
be short and satisfactory, and when he remembered that
the inquiry into the conduct of Captain Wynn
.had
occupied the attention of a Committee up stairs more
than thirteen weeks, and had involved the Government
in an expense of 20,0001., he did hope that the House
would not agreed to this motion.—(Hear, hear.)
CONFERENCE WITH THE LORDS ON THE
JUVENILE OFFENDERS BILL.

Sir JOHN PAKINGTON reported that the Lords
required a conference with the House upon the subject
of the Juvenile Offenders Bill, and had appointed a meet-
ing in the Long Gallery immediately:
The Members having returned from the conference,
Sir J. PAKINGTON reported the.result thereof to
the House. • •
Capt. JONES thought that the flon.-'Mernber had
acted very properly in bringing the subject before the
House at the present - •
Mr. ROSS considered that, under all circumstances
of the case, it would he highly desirable that the vturcs
moved for by the Hon. Member fur Mallow should be

granted.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, when there '
appeared—
For the motion - 19
Against it BO
Majority against the motion —6l
On the order of the day being read for going into
Committee of Supply,
Lord CLEMENTS put a question to the Chancellor
of the Exchequer with respect to the system of relief to
he acted upon with respect to some of the rural districts
of Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated
in reply, the same system of distribution of food would
be continued, as had latterly been adopted.
Mr. FERRAND wished to put a question to the
Right Hon. Baronet the Secretary of State for the Home
Department with respect to a statement made by the
Hon. Member for Bath Mr. Roebuck), to the effect that
medical officers of unions could recover the price of drugs
supplied by them. He wished to know whether such
statement were true.
Sir G. GREY said that he believed provision was
(tilde in special or sudden cases of illness, for allowing to
the medical officers the price of medicines that might be
administered.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
The House then went into Committee ot Supply.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, said
that the first vote that he should place in the hands of
the chairman, would be a vote ot 182,2001. for the
poor-law -expenses. The salary of the chief corn-
nye doner under tnis Act, was proposed to be 2,0001.
per annum, and that of the two secretaries, 1,5001. per
annum each. Under the old law, the salaries or the
three commissioners was 6,0001. per annum, and that of
the secretary 1,0001., a saving would there:ore be ittected
under this head of expenditure of a sum of 2,0001. per

annum.
After a few words from Mr. FERRAND and Sir G.
GREY, on the subject of the ineffi*:ient remuneration to
medical practitioners under the poor-law,
Mr. WAKLEY said that the medical men of this
country were the worst paid of any profession in the
country, and he thought that the system could not much
longer be staved off. The system of letting out a num-
ber of paupers by contract, was a must disreputable one,
such as no gentleman would ad-'pt with regard to his
stud of horses, or his kennel of dogs, Ht (ltd not think
that this vote ought to be agreed to until the Bill
was before the House. He had heard that two of the
most important clauses had been expunged in another

place.
Mr. WILLIAMS said that he was not aware of the
nature of the Bill, or the alterations that had been made.
Mr. WAKLEY thougnt the ignorance of the Hon.
Member with respect to the Bill was the strongest argu-
ment for withdrawing the present vote.
Sir G. GREY said that the vote ought not to be re-
fused, unless the Committee were prepared to say that
they would -not vote any sums of money towards the
support of the poor-law, whatever might be the result
of the new Bill.
Captain PECHELL thought that the vote ought to
be postponed until the House knew the result of the
Bill, and he hoped that the Government would stand by
the decision of the House with respect to the clauses
which had been introduced by the House upon the last
stage of the Bill.
Sir G. GREY declined to pledge himself to any course
that might be adopted by the Government upun a hypo-
thetical case with respect to the Bill.
Mr. P. BORTHWICK thought that a case had been
made out
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BRITISH MUSEUM.
28,518/. was next proposed for the British Museum.
Mr. H
UME said, as the Government had appointed
a commission to inquire into the management of the
Museum, he should not offer any Opposition to the vote,
in fact, he considered that it was not too large a sum,
when the nature of the institution was taken into con-
sideration, and that 750,000 persons visited it last year.
Mr. WYNN said some years ago a vote was agreed
to, for the purpose of collecting the works
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After a short discussion the vote was agreed to.
STIPENDIARY JUSTICES IN THE COLONIES.
41,6001. was next proposed, to defray the expellees of
stipendiary justices of the peace in the West India co.
lonies.
Mr. WILLIAMS said he understood that this charge
would not be continued this year, as the object for which
it was originally granted had been done away with. He
thought it ought not to be continued, and that the ex-
pense should be paid by the colonies.
Mr. HAWES said if the Hon. Gentleman would com-
pare the vote of last year with the one now proposed he
would find a diminution of 3,600 L, and the sum was in
the gradual course of reduction. The vote, however,
was pert and parcel of that great na.,a,ure, nareAy, the
vote for she abolition o! slavery. He agreed with the
Hon. Gentleman that expenses of thin kind should be

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defrayed by the colonies themselves, and they might look
forward to such a result.
Mr. HUME inquired the principle on which the
grant was to be reduced? He did not see why this
country should be taxed to defray the expenses of an
establishment which the colonies were perfectly compe-
tent to uphold.
After a short discussion, the vote was agreed to.
CAPTURED NEGROES.
10,0001. was next proposed for the purpose of support-
ing captured negroes.
Mr. BORTHWICK then rose to call the attention of
the House to the great evils and cruelties resulting from
the system adopted under treaties with foreign powers
for suppressing the traffic in slaves, and in pursuance of
various Acts of the Legislature for carrying those
treaties into effect. He said, when slaves were
captured in accordance with these treaties, they
were subjected to far greater cruelties than whilst
on
board slave-ships, as the men and women, and the boys
and girls, were kept in separate apartments, as appeared
from a statement which the Hon. Gentleman read, and
which had reference to a slave- ship in 1788. The
vigilance of the Government cruisers had caused the
mortality on board these slave-ships to increase from
3 to 10 per cent to 600 and 700 per cent., and a slave-
owner considered himself very fortunate if out of 600
he had brought from the coast of Africa he was enabled
to land from 100 to 200 at their destination. This was
the result of the mistaken benevolence of the people of
this country, who were taxed to the extent of a million
a year for effecting no practical good, as this statement
would show. In fact, wherever civilisation came
into contact with barbarism, the worst results
ensued, as was shown in the demoralised
condition of Africa, and before interference took place,
the King of Timbuctoo was a distinguished patron of
literature—(Laughter)—but since that interference a
change bad taken place. The Hon. Gentleman referred
to a number of authorities, to show that his conclusions
were correct, and that the humane interference of the
people of this country had led to the perpetration of
cruelties, which were not inflicted under the former
system. He wished to put an end to the slave trade,
but it appeared to him, that the best way to do so,
was to commence by putting down its cruelties.
He had now briefly stated the points which he wished to
bring under the Noble Lord's attention, namely, the cost
of suppressing the slave trade, which was one million per
annum. This, however, would be a small expenditure
in the eyes of the people of England, if the end aimed at
was accomplished ; but he had proved that this was not
the case. The second point was the health of their offi-
cers, which was sacrificed ; and the third point was the
great increase of the number of slaves, which was six
times greater than ever it was. He trusted, therefore,
the Noble Lord would proceed as the circumstances of
the case required, and relieve humanity from the odium
which was at present attached to it, in contequence of
the practices which he bad brought under the attention
of the House.
Lord PALMERSTON said that the Hon. Gentleman
had dwelt upon the sufferings of the middle passage, and
stated that formerly the mortality of the slaves was ten
per cent., while at present it was sixteen per cent. The
Hon. Member contended that the exertions they had
hitherto made were ineffectual, and that the only course
for them to adept was to allow a free trade in slaves.
lie (Lord Palmerston) would not accept the Honour-
eble Member's conversion to the doctrines of
free-trade on those principles, for it was his
opinion that this would be the most effective plan they
c yuld adopt to increase the slave trade. If, as was the
case at present, the safety of one cargo of slaves made
up for the loss of six cargoes, surely this proved that the
demand for them was remarkably great. Why, he
would ask, was this the case ? He contended it was
owing to the treaties and the cruises which they had
made while they were off the coast of Africa that the
scarcity was produced which caused so great a demand.
In proportion as the restrictions were increased,in the
same ratio was the slave trade diminished,
and vice versa. The Noble Lord then read
several extracts from the evidence of naval officers, uho
had been employed on the African coast, an.l who were
examined before the commission, to show that this was
the case, and that the trade was greatly checked. He
should hope by their steadily pursuing in the course they
had hitherto pursued, the best results would follow. He
understood that the importation into Cuba had greatly
decreased latterly, and if the authorities in that island,
and the Government in Spain, would co-operate with
her Majesty's Government, the trade would, in a short
time, be at an end. In Brazil, he was sorry to say, that
the trade had greatly increased of late. He should hope,
however, that when affairs would be brought to a
termination on the river Plate, the combined powers
would be better able to prevail upon the
Brazilian Authorities to discourage the slave trade, to
Brazil. In the first place,_ then, he denied that the
expense was so great as the Hon. Gentleman had stated,
but even if it were greater, if it was the means of res-
cuing 100,000 persons annually from the horrors of
slavery, and of introducing civilization and legitimate
commerce into Africa the expense would not be in vain.
—(Hear, hear.) He trusted that the House would think
this vote well worthy their favour, and that they would
not come to the resolution of changing the course which
had been hitherto pursued.
Mr. HUME gave the Noble Lord the greatest credit
,for the course that had been pursued, but he maintained
;that the result of those efforts had not compensated for
the cost or the loss of life that had been incurred. The
Noble Lord said those measures had kept the trade in
check, and had quoted the evidence of several naval offi-
cers to show this. If he (Mr. Hume) had known the
case was to come on to night, he would have been able
to read evidence also, to show that the traffic was not put
down, but increased.—(Hear, hear.) Now the question
wa-, did those measures discourage slavery? He denied
that this was the case, and he believed that the relaxa
,n of the dutiesin sugar last session, hadcontributed more
than any other cause to increase the horrors of that ac-
cursed trade, by creating an increased demand for slavery.
The blockade system was recommended by the Noble
Lord, and at the time it was first pursued he denounced
it as being calculated to produce nothing but mischief.
The Anti-Slavery Association had since admitted that
it had proved a failure, and petitioned the Government
to do away with it. If it were calculated to accom-
plish the object they had in view, he would not object
to it. Some Hon. Gentleman might ask, then, bow
were they to put down slavery ? Well, he would tell
them how it could be down. Smuggling could
only be put down by making the article smuggled so
cheap that it should not be worth the smuggler's while
to smuggle it. Adopt the same course to put down
the slave trade. Make free labour so cheap that it will
not. be worth while for the planter to go to the trouble
of procuring slaves. Let the West Indian colonists be
at liberty to go with the Spaniard to the coast to buy
slaves, but, at the same time, compel them to free the
slaves on their arrival in the colonies. Adopt that sys-
tem, and there would be a prospect of putting down the
slave trade, and the sooner it were put an end to the
better. It would serve the ends of humanity, and lead
to the adoption of some more efficient measures. He
agreed with the Hon. Gentleman who had brought for-
ward this motion, and he was sure the more the subject
was looked into the more apparent would become the
necessity for altering the present system.
Lord PALMERSTON said he had no doubt the in-
troduction of tree labour into our colonies would be
productive of much good, but he could not for a moment
enter tarn a proposal to legalise the purchase of slaves
on the coast. It was on the coast that the horrors of
the trade were most glaring, and to legalise the exten-
tion of the slave market, would only add to them instead
of diminishing them.
Mr. HUTT agreed with the Hon. Gentleman the
Member for Montrose, that the time had arrived
when the present system for suppressing the slave
trade ought to be put an end to, and some
more rational and effective measure resorted to. He
therefore regretted to hear the Noble Lord the Secretary
for Foreign Affairs expressing a decided opinion in
favour of a system which took so much money out of
the pockets of the people of this country, and still was
productive of evil. He trusted, however, that in another
session of another Parliament, this subject would occupy
the most serious attention of the House, with the view
of endeavouring to ascertain if some more effective mea-
sure could not be resorted to for putting an end to the
horrors of the slave trade.
Mr. P. BORTHWICK having replied,
The vote was agreed to.
The sum of 23,0002 was voted for defraying the ex-
penses of the mixed Commission for suppressing the
slave trade, and the sum of 118,9701. for defraying the
expenses of Consular establishments abroad.
On the question that 50,000!. be voted for defraying
the expenses of the British establishments in Hong Kong,
Sir GEORGE STAUNTON called the attention of
the House to the very strong and altogether peculiar
claims of the family of the late Robert Thom, Esq.,
some time Consul in Ningpo, in China ; and to the
justice and expediency of making a suitable provision fcr
them out of any money that may be voted for the China
service. Mr. Thom performed the office of interpreter
to the China Commission, beaded by Sir Henry Pottinger,
and he did the commission so much service during the
war that at its close Sir Henry Pottinger appointed him
to the office of consul at Ningpo, but he only held that
office for a short time, for he died of -a disease he bad
contracted while engaged in the service of the public.
Dr, BOWRING must also bear his testimony to the
strong claims the family of Mr. Thom had upon the
liberality of the country. He was a man of a very
refined mind, and bad paid mu2h attention, and spent
much time, in maturing the language and literature of
the Chinese, solely for the benefit of his country.
Lord PALMERSTON was confident that the services
and abilities of Mr. Thom were highly appreciated by
the Government, but they could no. accede to the motion
of the Hon. Baronet, without establishing a bad pre.
tet)a bdliids h ihnogt a
thicedent. There was no rule un ler which a pension
could be granted in the way proposed.—(Hear, hear.)
llkangQ
Mr. HUME said the Noble Lord need not be afraid
of o
anotherrous precedent,
ecedoert,heforeorhte
w(oMulrd.
I
occur again. Mr. Thom performed extraordinary ser-
vices for the Government during the China war, and
he did think the claims of his family ought nut to be
overlooked.
Dr. BO WRING
suggested that it would be of great
importance that a diplomatic school should be appointed,
for the purpose of facilitating our communication with
the celestial empire.
Mr. HUME said that when they saw Dr. Bloomfield
receiving 2001. a year, and the daughters of Sir Martin
Shee receiving 2001. a year, it was most disgraceful that
the daughters of Mr. Thom, who had lost his life in the
service of the country, should be left unassisted.
Mr. Labouchere, Mr. B. Osborne, Mr. Wadley, and
Lord J. Manners, took part in a converiation, which
curled in the vote of 28,0001. for the Government ut
[long-Kong being agreed to.
A vote of 2,295/. was passed to the National Vaccine
Institution ; of 3,0001 for the Refuge for the Destitute;
:ind of 11,000/. for the Subsistence of the Polish lie-

. ugees.
On the vote that 4,1841. 188. be granted for Miami-
-9

The sums of 7,256. for the concordation fund, 3,4001.
,or the expenses of a commission for digesting the cri-
minal law, 1,5001. for the expense of the commission to
inquire into the criminal law in the Channel Islands,
33.0001. for drainage in Ireland, and 1,662/. far the Bri-
tish Ambassador's house in Paris were agreed to.
On the vote that a sum, not exceeding 50,000/., be
granted to her Majesty, to defray the expense of steam
communication with India,
Several Hon. Members complained of the system of
postage in India, and the great want of regulation in the
usual mode of transmitting letters ; and also of the
imperf Pct system under which the payments for postage
were made.

The vote was then agreed to.
On the vote for 16,0001. for the militia volunteers in
Canada.
Mr. HUME objected that the necessity for these
volunteers was entirely done away with. They were
first established during the time of the disturbances in
Canada, and had remained ever since.

Mr. B. HAWES said that this body called the militia
were employed as a set of police in Canada, and wcre
ust.ful in that way, as well as militia volunteers.

Mr. WILLIA&IS objected that this body was quite
unnecessary, and that the expense of them ought no
longer to fall upon this country.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but the
vote was agreed to without a division.
The sum of 4,0001. for lighthouses upon Newfound-
land and the Cape of Good Hope; 7,7504 as rewards for
services in the suppression of the slave trade on the
coast of Africa were then granted.

On the vote th tt 59,000/.-be granted to complete the
sum necessary for defraying the charges for civil con
tingencies,
Mr. WILLIAMS ohjected to the charges made for
conveying public officers out to foreign countries, and
also to the charge made for no less than six Bishops
travelling in her Majesty's ships for their amusement.
There were charges for servants in Whitehall chapel ;
fora new silver trumpet ; allowances for the trumpeters
and kettle drumm• rs ; for the attendance of the water-
men of the Lords at the House ; and the travelling ex-
penses of Ibrahim Pacha, the King of the Belgians, &c.,
which he really thought ought not to fall upon .the
country. There were charges of 500/. for the conferring
the dignity of Viscount upon Sir H. Hardinge, and 4001.
for conferring the dignity of Baron upon Lord Gough.
which were really quite unnecessary. All these sums
they were improperly called upon to pay he moved be
struck out from the item of 50,0001., which reduced it to
43,9951.
Mr. BANKEi said that it was really quite impossible
for them to go into all these items at that hour, and he
therefore moved that the Chairman report progress.—
(Oh, oh.) Hon. Members might cry " oh," but he had
been in that House since three o'clock, and they were to
be there again at twelve o'clock, and he really thought
that it was quite time that the Chairman should report
progress, and that the Committee should separate.
Atter some further conversation,
Mr. HUME said that they would be right to go into
this question now; for, although the money was spent,
yet if it was mentioned this year, these charges would
probably not be made again.
The vote was then agreed to.
The sum of 144,8101. for the disembodied militia of
Great Britain and Ireland was then agreed to.
In answer to a question from Mr. CHRISTOPHER,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the remaining estimates would be taken on Monday.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress and obtained
leave to sit again on Monday.
The report of the Compensation for Damages (Ire-
land) Bill wa% then brought up.
Mr. lIA MILTON moved an amendment, the purport
of which did not reach the gallery.
After some conversation the House divided, when there
appeared—
For the amendment
For the clause 3B
Majority for the clause —29
The report of the Polling at Elections (Ireland) Bill,
l and the report of the Destitute Persons (Ireland) Bill
were then brought up and received.
t CONSTABULARY FORCE (IRELAND) BILL.
G The House then resolved itself into a committee pro
• forma upon the Constabulary Force (Ireland) Bill.
t The CHAIRMAN reported progress.
r The other orders of the day were then disposed of,
l and the House adjourned at a Quarter past One o'clock.

RAILWAY COMMITTEES.

HOUSE OF LORDs.—(YESTERDAY.)

Room B.
COVENTRY, BANBURY, AND 0304)".
The Commictee declared the preamble of this Bil
not proved.
EXETER AND =MOUT/3 (ACT AMEND,

ME N T DILL).
The Committee decided that the preamble of this Bil
was proved.
LONDON AND NONLTIVIVESTERN
(BRANCLIES TO KENILWORTH AND BERKS.

WELL).
The case for the promoters was opened, and evidence
called in support thereof.

Room C.

C AIMED ONXAN RAIL w•Alr (ZDZigniThIGH
STATION AND BRANCHES TO GRANTHAM
AND TO THE EDINBURGH AND GLASGOW).
The Committee were occupied with hearing evidence
in support of the Bill.

Room D.
YORE AND NORTH VEZDZAND (HARRO-
GATE BRANCH, AND 130ROUG11BRIDGE
AND KNARESBOROUGU EXTENSION.
Evidence was given in support of the preamble of
this Bill.

Room B.
EAST LANCASHIRE, SOIYTISPORT BRANCH
Evidence was given in support of the preamble of this
Bill.

Room F.
WEAN, VALI.= 2i.a..TIGW,&y.
The case for the promoters was opened, and evidence
adduced in support of the same.

HOUSE OF COMMONS. "(YESTERDAY.)
GROUP VI.
SOUTHAMPTON AND DORCHESTER
(BLANDrORP BRANCH).
The C. mmittee declared the preamble of this Bill to
be proved.
TAW YAWS DOCK AND RAILWAY COM-
PANY.
The parties to this Bill gave notice of their intention
to withdraw the same, for the purpose of bringing it for-
ward in the ensuing SPSsion , in compliance with the
recent resolutions of the House.

scc.ompicugrihnagrvtehset,
days, the
crops of grass are heavy, and
ConN CRoi.B,---
I,)the hay harvest has progresse i
During the
ommitpichihaisiii,part of the country._—Nottingham
odttaiyngshwame
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a large portion has already been
condition. The corn-fields are
and should the weather continue
exprrience that there will be little
lastm ol HAY
tfA's' 1 rawt i delightful
HARVEST
ly .
are assured by
either as to quantity or quality, of
° favourable
looking secureda fi n
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charmingly;th e :
tarm
reasoncrs
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the grain in
the best of weather fur hastening, to matu-
Review.
fruitsyße°dPBo'f the earth. Yesterday there was a most
there may have been as to the quan-
hriat Tyv eitiheEnej oC.
refreshing shower about noon, which is the first we have
had for the preceding eight or ten days.
of Wednesday.
Y The heavy
dews in the evening, however, in some degree make up
in regard to any of
ftoitryaonlyrdaienfi.cieTnehe crops still continue to look very beau
tiful, and from all accounts we can hear, there is not the
JENNY LIND.--The following opinion of the
Swedish Nightingale is taken from the private letter of
slightest
a celebrated Scottish vocalist to a friend in Dundee:—
" I he4rd Jenny Lind on Saturday night eltaininrgfohr despondency
Registerenc
for the first
time, and was highly gratified. She is certainly a delight-
ful singer, and first rate actress. S
—:lnetimes I felt very
queer—the tears rappin' down my cheeks; at other times
I felt my very hair—the little I have left—standin', as it
were, straight up on my head; again I felt the blood
rennin' mild at my ba At; in fact it is impossible to
listen to her without being put terribly through-ither;
and then she is such an amiable, nice, modest, lookin'
llidy, that that adds not a little to her charma,"—.Dundee
Courier.

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