The Sun.
London, England, 1847-12-11 00:00:00

THE NEWCASTLE BANK.

In reply to Mr. HUTT,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUER
stated that he did not wish to speak prejudicially
of this bank the other night. What he meant

to convey was that it had obtained a tem-
porary loan from a district branch of the Bank
of England, which had been repaid. The loan was
made to meet a very heavy run and the application
for it he did not consider prejudicial to the directors,
who, he regretted, had been annoyed at the statement
as construed by them.
EAST INDIAN RAILWAYS.
In reply to Lord JOCELTN,
Mr. C. LEWIS stated that the Calcutta Presidency
had consented to the construction of a line called the
Indian Railway Company, from Calcutta into the in-
terior, the terms being that the sections should be

executed so that the linc'should cost no more than
3,900,000/. The Government were to find the land
and were to guarantee interest at the rate of 5. per
cent., and to have the option of purchasing the line in
9.5 or 50 years. A similar offer had been made to the

Great Indian Peninsular from Bombay, inwards 35
miles in length. No arrangement had been made
with the Madras line.
Sir R. PEEL inquired if legislative measures were
required to effect this purpose ?
Mr. C. LEWIS apprehended that the East Indian
Railway Company thought they had power to carry
out those arrangements without legislative sanction.
Mr. BRIGHT said the cost of the recent failures
in Lancashire would have made the Peninsular line.

Two years delay had already taken place, and as
work could not be done from June to September,
another year would be lost, if greater speed was not
made. Ile did not think the terms sufficiently liberal
to enable the directors to raise money in the English
market. lie should, therefore, after the recess,
move for the production of the correspondence. The
subject was most important to Lancashire.
Mr. C. LEWIS considered the granting of the
land exceedingly liberal.
Mr. WADDINGTON inquired whether the terms
had merely been offered, or whether they had been
agreed to?

Mr. C. LEWIS said they had merelybeen offered.
COMMERCIAL DISTRESS.
Lord G. BENTINCK wished to ask the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer to postpone the nomination
of the Committee to inquire into the causes of the
recent distress until a further day. The present ap-
pointment was not at all a satisfactory one to many
Honourable Members in that House. A great
number of gentlemen thought that neither Scotland
nor Ireland were sufficiently represented in the Com-
mittee. It appeared to him that due consideration had
not been viven to those Hon. iNlmbers who were or-
pmed to the Bank Charter Act of 1844. Tt appeared
that every Hon. Member who opposed the passing of
that Act in 1844 was excluded from the Commit-
tee. He trusted, therefore, that the Right Hon.
Baronet would postpone the appointment of the Com-

mittee until some day next week, and in the meantime
he would give notice of other names which, if the
House should wish, he would propose should be
added to the Committee.—(Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said that he had endeavoured as far as pos-
sible to do justice in the selection of Mem-
bers for the Committee, and he was most
anxious that the constitution of that Committee
should give general satisfaction to the House. He
hal no objection to postpone the nomination of the
Committee till Monday.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the Com-
mittee, when appointed, would commence with their
inquiry until after the recess.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
said that it would be for the Committee, when it met,
to decide what course they would adopt. If he were
to state his opinions as to what that course would be,
he should say that upon their meeting their first duty
would be to elect a chairman, and then determine as to
what course they would pursue, and what accounts
and returns they might require. Having decided
upon that point, they would probably adjourn, in
order that they might have the returns ready pre-
vious to the examination of the several witnesses whom
they might think fit to call before them.

Mr. WAKLEY thought that as this was Friday,
if the Chancellor of the Exchequer postponed the
nomination of the Committee till Monday only, no
time would be afforded to the Noble Lord the
Member for Lynn to give notice of any other names,
and suggested that it should be postponed to a later
day than Monday next. It was his intention to move
that the name of Mr. Muntz, the Hon. Member for
Birmingham, should be added to the Committee.
other,Mr asllUheAdlEid
nreoquested that his name might he
struck off the list, in order to make room for some
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said that he shouldl-
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Committee according OR of the EXCHEQUER
move the appointment of the
to the notice he had given, and
it would be for the House
any and what names shouldi then
to decide whether
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struck off or added to
OFFICERS
the Committee.
. REPORTS FROM
(IRELAND).
In answer-to a question put by an Hon. MEmnE ,
Sir G. GREY said the reports made
by
various military offices of Ireland to the.cor,,Zci,
in-Chief of-that country, and from limn to th, "6°Z.

mander-in-Chief in this country, and the Home
Secretary, were of a strictly confidential nature, and
he should•be acting most improperly if he answered
any question upon the subject of their opinion as to
necessity of proclaiming martial law in Ireland.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

On reading the order of the day for going into
Committee of Supply.
Mr. E WART wished to know from the Chancel-
lor: of the Exchequer whether it would be in the
power of the Government to take any general
view of their whole system of taxation, for
the object of simplifying and reforming it,
in the present session of Parliament. The
subject was one which excited a considerable
interest throughout the country, and he should there-
fore be happy to hear from the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer something of the plan to which he bad
alluded in the last session of Parliament.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
was not aware of having alluded to any plan last ses-
sion, or having held out any expectation on
the subject referred to by the Honourable
Member. While the Honourable Member pro.
posed to bring the subject of taxation under the view
of the House, he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
stated that in the present state of the country it
would be necessary to renew the income-tax, or
at all events to deal with that question. It was ex-
ceedingly inconvenient, and not very advantageous
to any one, that he should answer questions
with respect to the intentions of the Government
with regard to measures which it would be his duty
to propose in the beginning of the spring. Govern-
ment usually reserved its determination on these
subjects, and then announced their intentions when
they were prepared to do so, in order to prevent any
undue expectation or disappointment.
Mr. HUME—Can the Right Hon. Gentleman give
the House any idea when the Budget will be brought
forward ?—(Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—
In reply to that question, I can only give a general
answer, that it will be brought forward after the
recess.--(Cheers and laughter.)
THE CASE OF THE REV. DR. RYAN.

Mr. MONSELL said that, although he was aware
that it was not strictly in order to allude to anything
which had occurred in a former debate, he hoped the
House would excuse him if he alluded to a charge
which had been brought against the Right Rev. Dr.
Ryan, the Roman Catholic Bishop of Limerick, last
night by the Hon. Member for Bridport. That Hon.
Member had said that Dr. Ryan came under the
"description of an accessory before the fact, for he
was the instigator of crime," that crime being
murder. He (Mr. Monsell) was not going to speak
at random about that Right Rev. Prelate, but he
was about to state what he knew personally, and
which was believed by all classes in the country to
which he belonged. Dr. Ryan had distinguished
himself by his active endeavours to support the law—
(Hear, hear)—and had subjected himself to much
obloquy on account of the peaceable and tranquil
course he had thought it his duty to pursue. The
accusation against him was founded on some words
contained in a charge delivered by him at a confirma-
tion held in his diocese, in which he referred to the
misdeeds of many among the upper classes. He (Mr.
Monsell) had not got the charge with him, but fortu-
nately in another place Lord Farnham had quoted
from it, and spoke in the highest terms of Dr. Ryan,
and of the spirit in which that charge was uttered. It
was most unjust, therefore, to take some words from
the charge on which to found an accusation of such
magnitude, for it would appear that he only referred
to the misdeeds of one class, and not to those of the
others ; whereas no one ever spoke more strongly than
he did against those crimes which he was accused of
being accessory to. He (Mr. Monsell) had stated
his opinion, and he would appeal to the Noble Lord
the Member for Falkirk, to the Right Hon. Gentle-
man the President of the Board Trade, and to the
Hon. Gentleman the Member for North Northamp-
ton shire, who lived near Dr. Ryan, to bear their tes-
timony to his character; and he hoped that would
be some reparation to that Right Rev. Prelates feel-
ings after the wanton attack which had been made
upon him.
The Earl of LINCOLN said, after what had been
stated by the Honourable Member for Limerick, the
near neighbour of Dr. Ryan, it was almost unneces-
sary for him to add a word; but he had no hesitation
in responding to the appeal which had been made to
him. He had not the honour of Dr. Ryan's acquain-
tance, but during his shore connexion with Ireland
the character of that prelate had been more than once
brought under his notice. There was great distress
in Limerick and Clare, and there were several occa-
sions in which he had heard •of Dr. Ryan, and he
coul I state his belief that there was no individual
whose character stood higher.—(Hear.) He had
heard but one opinion of him from persons of all po-
litical tenets, parties, and creeds, and he was stated to
be exemplary in every respect. So far from his being
likely to be subject to a charge of being accessory to
any crime whatever, be (Lord Lincoln) believed that
he had studiously devoted himself to the duties of his
sacred calling, and always stood aloof from political
parties, and invariably advocated the preservation of
peace and order.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. LABOUCHERE, after the appeal which had
been made to him, would say a few words, although
he felt it to be unnecessary after what had been said
by the Noble Lord and the Hon. Member for Lime-
rick. He (Mr. Labouchere) was absent from the
House when the Hon. Member for Bridport used the
words in question, but if he had been present, although
he was not personally acquainted with Dr. Ryan,
he knew enough of him to have indu'ed him imme-
diately to rise, and bear testimon to the excellence
of his conduct and character. While he (Mr. La-
bouchere) was in Ireland he had had opportunities of
knowing the character of Dr. Ryan. He knew that
he had studiously avoided taking any part in poli-
tics, that he had always upheld peace and order, and
that he was incapable of instigating any one to crime.
They had heard much in these debates of the conduct
of the Roman Catholic clergy, and of language used
by them. He (Mr. Labouchere) condemned that lan-
guage as criminal and dangerous in any one, and more
especially in a minister of religion. All such ex-
amples of the misconduct of the Roman Catholic
clergy were published in the newspapers and pro-
mulgated. lie did not regret that it should be so, or
the reprobation which it met with ; but he did regret
that the House and the country did not know the
conduct of hundreds of the Roman Catholic clergy—
(Hear, hear)—who were exposing themselves to
obloquy, and losing their popularity with their flocks,
because they exhorted them to obedience to the law.
If the whole truth were known, it would appear that
the country owed a large debt to the Roman Catholic
clergy; and he hoped the House and the country
would not run away with the idea that, as a class,
they were chargeable with the obloquy which had
partly fallen on those who had used the language
which had been adverted to in these debates. The
lion. Member for Bridport must be quite ignorant of
the character of Dr. Ryan, or he never would have
used the expressions which he did, and accused him
of being the promoter of misconduct.—(Hear.)
Mr. A. STAFFORD said it gave him great satis-
faction and pleasure to bear his testimony to the
worth and excellence of so good a man as Dr. Ryan.
—(Hear, hear.) He had an advantage over the
Noble Lord (Lincoln), and the Right lion. Gentle-
man (Mr. Labouchere), for he was personally ac-
quainted with him. lie had witnessed his conduct
in circumstances of political excitement, of difficulty,
of disease, and of famine, and he would truly say
that his conduct was that of a real Christian. He
(Mr. Stafford) could not find the charge from which
the extract in question had been taken, but if he
could have found it he would have read it to the
House, for nothing could be better as an exposition
of the duties of a Christian.—(Hear, hear.) He
hoped, if the Hon. Baronet the Member for Mary-
lebone had that charge, he would read it.
Mr. B. COCHRANE said it was painful to him
to be accused of wantonly making an unjust charge
against any gentleman, and more especially a minis-
ter of any church. He could only say that after
what had been said by the Hon. Member for
Limerick, and those other Hon. Members who had
borne testimony to the character of Dr. Ryan, he
could not doubt but that gentleman had been hur-

riedly led into using the expression which he had
quoted, and which, as some Hon. Members were not
present when he quoted it, he would again read, in
order to explain the grounds on which he ,accused
Dr. Ryan, not of instigating to crime, but of using
language calculated to excite to its commission.
What he quoted was as follows :—" The higher
classes were forgetful of their Christian obligations ;
they treated the poor like cattle ; they were cold
and callous to the voice of humanity, dead to all
feelings of compassion, untouched by the cries, of fa-
mine, the wailings of hunger, the lamentations of
women and children, and the terrible condition of the

poor men ;. they exercised over their victims a system
of heartless cruelty, calculated to bring down ven-
geance from heaven upon them." Dr. Ryan might
be an excellent man, bat. still, as a Member of that
House, he (Mr. Cochrane) maintained that this was
not language such A 3 a. -minister should utter.
Sir B. HALL said that what had been read by the
Hon. Member for Bridport was part of the charge de-
livered by Dr. Ryer,. He (Sir B. Hall) had in-
tended to address the House last night, and answer
the charge which had been made against Dr. Ryan.
He thought it is &Ay to do so, because on the first
night of the session he said ud he hoped that the
Roman Catholic hierarchy would impress on the
minds of part of ale priesthood and on the lower
classes what was their duty to their country and the
laws. He had it last night to have read
another pari of the charge delivered by Dr. Ryan, as
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