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4,,.., ; ",°!.. .6). going into ihe! no reran was bound to concede In_ore 1111,"1i l' e,
of ,1,',1",4 16 „,,,: .
t:t , ' :.'"L!•••• refused, triey tvoeld I liiieelit proper. . lie _had ellsveys resavdead the
iii,"4C"aintl'!!'• I''• ;!•eli•fi•Jiiiii:r tote. - out ! im•esuke itself as the grehtest seetitity , Isla Ile
Is olot settee, „ ~.% „s ~ MIS, a .); l.,
' b 11'(2(fifi'. . " "'''' ''t!S the rite'' s 't. 'th It: ` ill(fli,ht t hat the Lethol:ee would be •Wista and
ilib' der St-'•••ei,',:, I':;i• I'hs.,•l'l enable tltee House, prodeet to consider bow ler they Ceuld epoitely
pie-
ect, ha ..;
~ tr prepere foi completing the with the wislivs, (fr ,if 7/°" please,. tv'tit, rite e-t
toesito,relo_r.b( dyines. their present Reis. He : judices of the Protestant Gov••rninelit. Ihe
.Rign)t_
14111111" ha",;" ()tie (if the 'vie e s of te,:se Goole- • flon. Gentleman highly praised the coodata id
Irl','llll'Yrit‘tossls?keo against the no tiro to be fair - Mr. Grattan, and hoped that the treatment he ha •
et 1 II! ieltyt.te i
ilianat for a ' re•We.'ing theConi!thittee. bid their received from individuals, wonld not indirect hintie.
, (hiss to
enfnrestrieteo
n the rya
st'ree thaf claim ? Th V
thing ti, Your dietatiou ; patiOn call on the ,to vOte•asainst a question which could nothat ).
didnott-itethis•' considered as of the highest interest.
i tion, _ tould be" reh he!. oi!lyYwi;ll.F,:!-th'k no 7 ! 1‘ ....hr. P,EE Lif. objected et) the motion'of the Hon.
oi. to the
tit_ o mut, in the way of informa- I Baronet, as he conceived it Would he derogatory
• . ) arid • e mo.' teteut that it could be' afford- '-to the character and dignity of the Clouse to en-
111'er " "•74,13 therel . „ ' , . .
their hit, the c , .
.01e. perfectly consistent to i Pertain it. 'rue condition ti •der pretensions on
--"lttee, to consider liow far I formerly supported it was, draft-securities ghat were justifi 'y. from
th 3ePhrities . 'l-1. differed
able, and to know 4 cessary. e thereforewere-ne-
whi..ch the House
spoke last, in the
asetit' All the 1,1. w- was necessary to exact front j the Right lion. Gentleman who . ~
reel to o , - oeslecteons, that he heard with re- i opinion that these were of no consequence. If
the propoluF Yet°, were extremely irrelevant to ; the Committee were entered into,
V(' theitisit,i'lls, for going into the Committee ; I be the same as it was last year, and wo II otolsyt",
the result would[
tern c„,„ Tit kion. Gentleman (Mr. Yorke) had I produce disunion and dissentions. It was
cm
...
telept to al.'"te!y.rhisinformed respecting any at- ; material to look at the Resolutions and pr.oo,eed .
cote,'
Matteassure the Po-pe. So far froth it, he l ,ings of those who ere Jim leading authoritt•sof
lII' qt in that a distinguished person seas I the Catholics of Ireland; and he would say, that ,
11, Proposiow,y tr, this country from Rome, with : if the motion of the Hon. Baronet were adopted, 1 "Wily
ac tml which he thought would prove ! there was no prospect of coming to the result] that 411tI thos.:;Plable to the British Government ; was expected. The Honourable Baronet had told,
tq sit', `si re if the Committee should continue ! us, -that the result would be, to receive assurances
',','igbt be "11 .objections wcinici be removed as : of gratitude front the Catholics ; but he should
(l'e diso°L'ieiht adverse to the measure.: have thought that he would have been the last to
-i'airett 0'..1'-"lte of the Catholics in their own : talk of the gratitude of the Catholic Committee.
,''sto ,vosaog a matter of conscience : bet the ! When we were, told by hint that it was not worth
il ti
reeds
(4t11"1 have the effect Of ,lacing in the while to squabble about the subject, it was wort
litooan c ei'roteste.s.. -
""k pOliticiatis the affairs of the while to take a short review of the proceedingds
"Ist ,„ - uirch, end silS would be liable to the "• which led to the Petition, and the causes through
Ivcillei 4t.erial "blections. Such an interference , which it devolved upon the Hon. Bart. The Right_
tai' tract rise to Sectarians in that Church, as Hon. Gentleman then referred to various printed
tilt too arisen ill the Protestant Establishment. - Papers, and described the history of the body called.c,l
sliotior:(t.ever ! the differences rnielit lee, they ' the Cathelic Association, headed by Mi 1•8011 ood-
What hail the st.tud in the way of the Committee.: nell. It originated at-the beginning of pee to
effect
Passed out of doors ought ill no de- , was fOrmed of Catholic Peers,
19ata, a„.O ,e't the riterits'of this'que•stion. It had and other persons of considerable It
the sons of.P'eears,
prerga.tho-
throe
t.) ueee prophesied that delay would soon was considered as a body
soi
Iviottee Catholics into the hands of disaffected delegated by rile .
,e.
lies of Ireland, and entrusted with the
liinaitirers
lettee
on ut, Persons ; but no description of vio- meat of their affairs.. But two of the ~ e n
at
ori
ith.e.rits
alter toe the part of-iralividuals ;oueht at all to having been arrested for undue interferenceos-
of the great• question itself. As elections, and being convicted, the body was
vas
tletheoes ellef is withheld, the lower orders of tensibly dissolved. An Aggregate Meetne,s
teltiah
sc, 'arc. furnished with a weapon with then called, which declared that that association
haft o,otici exercise their purposes of mischief, had the full contithince Of the Catholic Body..
ted the or'ool t.wo.llld otherwise fall harmless to Catholic Board or Aggregate Meeting contini
I,llltelett 'itto° • The Hotionrable Gentleman then in operation_ till last year,dissolved
1414 heeo the co of the Catholics, which by the Lord Lieutenant, declaring it .to be
anotherd
when it was
„.n
QrattelOs 12%414'c:wed, and inivetting to Mr.' illegal body.
•A short time afterwards
iii
Passed a ~(.ecunifts; to present the. Petition, he; Aggetegate Me' eting lens held, Pod one of the. • .e
I,ieti
,le tu,r.iontilzio,;ll.
4"
sPlehiiiiliflaiheollociuelstif" on his unvaried zeal sesiutions advised every weedier whc composed
e-- •
was
411Iffel• no o which -rte trusted would title. illegal assembly to persevere. A Litter .
ee, ' in •_sco• gl'eat, 'a cause, and even written to every individual to form what is .
o-et, in to iese to
~ .
-see • the triumph of an called a .voluntary association. It was atBt he. re-
,"'ltinistoo e, •success of which he had taken" so quest of this association that the -Hon. Baronet
tat (Sir
otte'srto_oi;i• Varnell) had
4iett'ii ee'l:l4, a Part• He knew that his Hon. • had undertaken to present the Petition. . e
reluctantly under- would ask whether any Gentlemau, who had
iwibt-
11•4(Iteuede li''teseiet' and he could have. wished it ' neased the agitation and disturbances. excite( y
Posed thatetto e•aerc it xi-es. it was dot to be sup- these two bodies, could' believe that they
?augureid,
",I: the kinde,r,e," a single Ca•Coolic in any part any indications of peace and concord Funds
lu'otroltritflif_t,.ll•'it 'ill•Ol'lvsew..tlid) oeit eit-toally stad at the
button
froxi every householder, by a cootie-.
t' • uce oil it '. 'as: pray it to go into the bution of. ten-pence, to defray the expences of
d to
sie 'thine!, ,4 c aims. tithe Ise e
'11"
ilia; '' ' 'lea. 1 ' T. • • —I. ' only the Petition, and every person who refuse.
'ter detailing
h''rled the pm: h, (1-'-‘ great prOnertV who had not coetribute had his name marked. After ,
t°of that „-sani,'-and therefore- there was no many more of the
tents. of
,o(o'ey did not all recognize' the con- proceedings of this body,k toi
; promote the objects they had in view, he
las asked,
Pleiead '.. 'Che irritation that hail emu- ' whether any hotly of men who had actec,
billep( 1
delay of was the necessary consequence of , such
ie. ~ :stet s., .. • . _ ,to . .
ask every
principles could do any thieg favoula to
, oat. 2 „inlet pi omas elation could not but the peace or Ireland ? and also he would,
Iesotta:11• The minds of many
from this
reaote , had heen greatly alienated
individuals in ' Grand Juror of Ireland who had a seat in that
o die Resolo-
House, wheteer.he would consent t the
es-},' tiy tii., system that had been pursued, and dons drawn up by men who wereformerlywhom Mcm-
et!,
I:x,lspiile would be still More seriously follow- hers of this Cettliolic Board, and bythe
was
aeoe,;hiess the: Claims (Jr the Catholics were con- Bill that had bee" printed and circulated,i4oos )
this
,t'Y the wisdom of Pa'ytiiw.t..nt. But when - now attempted to be forced uponh
till ebeca unani-
--
Atbeao`_t_s eoee, sse• might completely defy all the Speaking of Mr. O'Connor,
oiiko,s of the diseffected.who
Soh-Committee,
- mously check.tt a Member of the
,1
a t- hilepist ' •
,)roo'
which
`?l3 11,, Ilene • stated, that. the majorite in most iothunmatory sentences from a speech 0
,_
the ..ta,,e 1,;;-'s.hcvn egahist openiug till the offices in the he had delivered in 1813, on the subject
batli
de_
he to,_",thC Catholics, and many who had i•oted Bill alien brought ;forward. Th.is person measure,
io6to,•;oieeasioli tor the Caiholie claims would ietibed the speeches made against the :oub _
may txjz,:::low.take a different course. No reason as " ruffian shouts," and added, ' . r 1
,ever
tsooote o'oui aey pertietilar case, as ill that of this he the last shout of English vi..ctloly
the
toim.,, ':e seldiers, stated by the. Hon. Baronet for poor, fallen, and deluded Ireland..
.1..!Y• the
tleet',„;l9.the question geuerelly, as provision for day-:star of Ireland arise, (by this said
Ire
)aatoro'hebe :leek by a short Bill. 'file Hon. !Might Honourable Gentleman, I suppose,
:W0ti1t,,,,',1.-,1
tilt,,,,',1.-,1 • •• ed elle claim es one of •tight, ' meant the present Bill), and break
)yto rivet on
It to,l`t ft `
-e -: e ~.dieved in that House could regard gence tl:e chains which they are about,
ire of the
Ateay, `II' '1 (io,cstion of. expediency ; the Catholic my country." Stich was toe languao
the House
t•ethire ;I`,."t-'ver, from their conduct, sieemed to ', man Who had drawn up the Bill which,
butvliich it - could
eight. :is.cetieely as a claim not of favour, 'but of was now called on to accept, .e_
all,
preten- ,
'hit tti
che Pope. had appeared inclined to concede, not sanction without abandoningsirit
which bad
4 lidi . athOlic:-.body seemed to wish to lning in , stuns to Legislation. After the
Catholics,p it WYSS
11;lee:,(1."ell a nature as would insure its being • been manifested Ey the Keenannwsu
egested would
l)essa to, ithough their opinion Was nut to be op- in vain to hope_the measure. now
"'to proceed in
Ilbuse taus of the 'head of their eherch. The i prove satisfactory. It
..
teas
ns or conditions were
')(-)01,-.1tsinot to-be dictated to by theCatholie. the business if any restrictions
which they
their 11`;,;;"1,0e thought some further explanation on ! •to be attached to. the.
.a..i.
:act of injustice, to
Glititi.,;,,,! was necessary, aud eertainThoctrines ; weieeeto make.
.It.
,it
c'el,..teslL-equired by the ROlll2lll
.14!ght 1:11,° Jr. Milner) of some of their body i withhold teat yV
tucwaouid agree, that the Resolu-
-I"iq re ~ e (Usarowed. The opinion of the Pope,
,;.,- Ca:hohcs., then he .
sl have eassed were things
'''l!. les '''):red, (Meta () be taken as to the extent ; Lions -which they ino, it . I
11,iiia ,;N)lrittial •:,-, - • ,•••• Hy as iii ! which ought
not to be regarded, bet if it were ar-
int in 1 wers, more especially la
they were called upon to
' l'j4i"ti.,i``)Pe had formally declared that all oaths ! gued that that which.
1 Catholics, then it be-
Au• see t lie ell 4rell Were lien and void. tic Saw enact was to conciliate tee .
4 (~;(. -,.)(,
duct,
1„ that
, Could Possibly arise from'
going into : came necessasy to revert to their former con
I . eesure must
•••• lalitt;. .' • don't 'to shew that in this respect, t it. mt. .
bll'e u ,-. • "/ as the Catholics said, if you
else '-what • ' that nothing
tve (lenient), we will take nothing prove nugatory, as it would appear . Ile: •
would
AL,. should therefore oppose the motion. less than the whole of what they require .
t • PoNs , , ,
• olutioU of
He then read the resolution es 'too . , 9NBY uechited that be would not en- content them. .
1813,
in
which
terry
de-
- -40-eft_ any debate upon the subject, as he had the Catholic Board in
' tvattiop. delivered himself upon it, that repetition dared, that
they thought at that particular time
their resolution oi
iiti,sel,'e as tedious to the house es disgusting to • it was necessary to re-adopt
earl '', Ile washowever` •declared that as Irish-
I-new- -1810, in which they had
0,
ready, , to aL % ,
_l., he, that ne•tl '' men anti as Catholics, they could never admit f
NaS the _ . 1 lei the time nor the mode chosen
interference on the part of the Crown in the
lite conulost Judicious. But he would vote for any
of their Bishops. Nn settlement could
" opnotn'i"ce oftly t hat the House might have nominationi
r• I the resolution went on to declare,
that i:, Itunity of inquiry. If it could be thought •be Como eta
' conceded. This resolution was
i..„,i,p(,:ii man who voted for the Coicmittee was till this
pointb wasa
remarkable speech from a certain
lies, 1,,,"1,4) adopt the resolutions of the. Catlio- ! introduced y
f k laugh.) He referred
oole. . i to the
iiii
ot: 1")Illti say, that this 'WOOht be a /wryer- -Dr. D
Irwrgthat person, in order to sleety that it
Ilio
e0,,V1 the olsjeets of the Committee ; for 1)0 : speece o
titan probable the author of it averted
etos3"",l be brought him' the subject of religion, :
eras
nwre
even with. the Bill which it was
Prosoo.‘;hen the whole House in a Committee . not be contentedlrili
ht. He then read part of the
hitorvc-;uothe regulations, In votiug for the Coin-. proposed tilati)ett
ft was asserted, " That the Es-
-liiigi4 :.'e held himself free as to any vote he speech in
.'1
b ch could not be shaken, if built
hot,„ hire it, it ; 'nod he protested against beiug teblished Cur .
that
„ dto
it would in case brave (unit-
itoo,,,er suppoit the question .: he consieered it, on a rock,ll
the
storms of time, but if; built up-
b,ppiii„,, to wvolve the peace, security, and the jered a
human power could support it. It
ti.e c q the whole community. Yet, though on Band, no • ' iithol.l;, ,
• vain inent affected the
power
-e4 ienialit neaseutt \visa( they pleakde was in that Tarlia

' of ,'pmnipotertee, find aec.'reed it :Itotilti-eXist—it was
iir'stein that. the lazy churchman should call to the
way.ehtnan'on the towel:, that the church \V •ts.
Ci r :4•cr ; these could mit,save it, though novelty
haying had its tinie 'mist fall, -and nOthing:•but
the mischief which it had canSed wirad rettlain-7
Sn'th Avas the speech :whichbad preceded .the Re 7
sohitions unanimously voted by the- catholic
11.4,611. Frolll ibis it would be seen -there wai;
little proSpect of effecting the arranc,rement so
much desired ;•blit if proof. were still .wantiug, he
would read the Resolution conie to .by Roman
Catholics, on the ecclesiastical clauses of the late
Bill. He proceeded to read thelZ.eiofution•which
declared the proviSions of- that. Bill to-be-utterly in-
compatible with the Roman CatholieChdrch and
their religion, and such as they could not accede tO
withoutinctirring the guilt of schism. He next
referred to the Memorial Circulated by Dr. Milner
in the lobby of that Hous,:., Ma 21, 1813. That
paper he thought it was unnecessary to dwell
upon, as it must 'be still in the recollectibii' of
thellouse.. He 'remembered at the time it had
been treated with much ridienie, and particularly
by a Right Hon. Gentleman, now his Majesty's
Ambassador at -Lisbon, who contended it would
be absurd nk to pass a law inconsequence of such
a paper. Yet, on'the 29th of the same month,
the Rowan Catholics resolved in full synod, after
being informed of the existence of this docu-
ment, " That• the Right Reverend Dr. Milner,
their vigilant and incorruptible agent, their power-
ful am! unwearied advocate, continued to possess
their esteem, their confidence, and their • grati-
tude." Under these circumstances, it was not to
be-expected, that by agreeing to the present mo-
tion any thing could be done that would conciliate
the Catholics. lie had understood those who for-
merly supported the Bill to declare, that if they
failed of • carrying that measure, and of giving
satisfaction to time Catholics they would give up
the cause, and not continue tO agitate the question
year after year. If they were sincere in this de-
claration, and he hoped it had not been used as a
mere argument to catch a few votes, he trusted it
would now be acted upon, and that they would be
forethOst to oppose the renewal of that, which in
the present temper of the Catholics of Ireland
must prove an unavailing discussion. •

it. might not .be.re.ceive4. with proper gratitUde.
In ijecgfo:(l to the, politics of particillar
he ;considered them as:-obstacles to the general
meaS!n-,e, but not as reasons that would render it:
dap ge tts, respect to !he-present monient,
he could riot disuise:the true eha.acter of Itis
feelings, and therefore. he 'cottld not refrain from
paying.dtte hotriage to that efilinctutindividital
whoen the Catholics lead formerly entr; :st-ed• their
pre-teriSiolis: They hAd, .rem,,vid it
frvm his hands, • and therefore th could
not doubt that • their ;:lqins were brought
forward lit a spirit of contrikst to that, of last.
year. They Calile to Parliament in a perfectly tiff.
ferent character, anti claiMed as an acc ot justice.
at our hands, that they should be received into
our cou§tittit,i.ons withotit oftering.any security to
our E.
(.clesi.lstical State. It as open to him,. in
tlds state:of the caSe, to Sari; that he would • not
go into the Committee; -but. he Wished to give
the House an opportunity of marking. their opi=.
'dons on the subject of unqualified concessions to
the Roman Catholics of Ireland c- he was tho-
roughly persuaded,. that until they changed their
course oi conduct, England Ivoidd be 'hostile to
their claiMS, and that they would be going down
the hill; without atkancing: a step.. : If theobject
was to take the sense of Parliamept on impialified
concession, he was far front wishing to shrink
from the question, and should desfre to give a de-
cided opinion.•
Mr. WHITBREAD, concurring as he (lid with
the Noble Lord as to going into a Committee,
could not agree with hint that the Committee
should purely proceedto'negatii'e the proposal of
the Hon. Baronet, .withont: discussing song, tnea-
sure to settle the claims of the Catholics. In the
Session before last, the Committee had been ,

Sit J. NEWPORT 'contended that it was not for
Parliament to wait till the four or five millions of
individuals who were their petitioners, come una-
nimously forward in a spirit of conciliation. It
was unjust, because sonic individuals among them
might have expressed themselves rashly or unad-
visedly, to)refuse • to take their grievances into
consideration. He wished to put down the agita-
tors by taking away their ground of complaint.—
The present question was one which ought to be
decided upon by jirdgment, .not by feeling. lie
should vote for going into -the ComMittee, and
then he was of opinion the proper time would
come for examining the resolutions of the Hon.
Baronet.

Dlr. BRAGGE BATHURST opposed the 11106011.-
No doubt the resolutions proposed might be aIL
rered in a Committee ; but if the ilouse,.as he
believed to he the case, ww.s not inclined to adopt
theist in-substance, was it a Parliamentary course
to entertain resolutions merely to show hoW far
it could deViate from them ? lie thought that a
better effect would be produced on the Catholic
populatioU by rejecting the residutions, as: it
would show theta they could not carry their iioint
in this way, induce them to withdraw from their
present leaders, and come forward in the only
way in which concessions could be made. •
Lord BINNING was prepared to go into the
Committee, though he plight vote against every
one of the Resolutions. He hail heard with re-
gret the historical detail which his Right Hon,'
Friend had gone into with respect to the Catholic
loard: What did it prove but that their miscon-
duct had been great, though he did not draw from
it that no attention should he paid to the claims
of the Catholics. What was it to hint that-Mr.
O'Connell or Dr.. Droingoole had made
.furious
speeches ? He regretted their influence, but it was
to take the Catholics out of the hands of
rsrtch agi-
ttitors that he should ote for the CoMmittee. He
regretted that, the former-Bill for their relief was
thrown out, and was sorry that their cause was'
now exposed to a partial defeat from the very na-
ture of the Resolutions proposed. It could not
be denied that Parliament had shewn a concilia-
tory spirit towards the Catholics, which their pre-
sent Leaders had not returned :1-fe regretted this,
as tending to irritate the minds of the Protestants
of this country. He lamented also that the Pe-
tition of the Catholics was not now in the hands
of the Right Honourable Gentleman with whose
name their cause must be perpetually Connected,
(Hear, hear !) and whose conduct appeared to
be always dictated by the purest patriotism, as
well as the most conciliatory views.
Mr. BANKES had never before heard any per-
sons state their rights in this broad manner. They
said that they would give no security to. the Esta.-
Wished- Church : but it would be impossible -for
the (louse, either now or at any other time, to
grant them those claims which they demanded,
until the church of Rome should entertain diffe-

rent opinions of those whom it called het etical.
Until that time should arrive, Parliament would not
consent to invest that body with political power.
Those who professed the established religion had a
right to say, we cannot give von any extension of
privileges, unlest you are Willing to give uksecurity.
Some of the most intelligent men in the coantry
had endeavoured to form something tending. to-
wards satisfactory security but that which we
looked upon as a pallacea was treated as an abo-
mination. To say that the House would go,into
aCommittee, merely to,vote against every one of
the propositions, would be insulting to the Ca-
thOlics ; but as their • petition was totally 'un-
coupled' With any securities, they could not ex.
pect that the House ‘vould grant their claims.
Lord CAsTLEJtaAda, would de'tairi the House
only a few mintites; in order to state the portico-,
lor grounds of:the vote which he iuteaded.trigive,
He Could assure his Right Hon, Friend (Mr.
Peek), that although his vote would air this oe-
."simi differ front his, his sentiments,_did not at
all vary from ‘vhat he had formerly declared. He
pt;rfecily agreed,that the only satisfactory way of
considering the questiou•was•, to establish feelings
of conciliation ; but he was not prepared to-€.oy,
that this measure must uecessttrily tail, becawe

granted, the Bill broil-gilt in, 'and the first clause
lost only by a majority of four. Ile .therefOre
considered the principle to have been carried; and
that after one or two Sessions he should find this
great cause, not of the Catholics alone, but of the
whole country, triumphant. Ile was convinced
that since 1813 the course of the Catholics had
been• wrong, especially in reirioving their. Petition.
from the hands by which it had been sanctified.
The principle had already been acknowledged,
that the Navy, the Army,
.and the Bar, should.
be thrown open to the Catholics, and hecause Mr.
,O'Connell node a fdrious speech, and became the
unexpected ally of the Chief Secretaty for Ireland,
because Dr. Droingoole made an absurd one,
were they not. to be alloWed to go at a period.
when they were so.mnch wanted both in the army
and in theonavy ? Should the House.-go into the
Committee merely •to negative the Resolutions j
.and would the Noble Lord refrain from proposing
that to which all the House would assent. He
did not perceive the least reason which should
have prevented the Catholics fvo`in accepting the
Bill of .1813. If it were in his power, whether
they wished for it or not, lie would give it to theiri,
nod ni.ke them as much inheritors of our Con-
stitution as we were. He should vote far the
propokition of -.is Honourable Erienil, as the only
course which could be pursued under the present
circumstances. .flad he been asked whether he
thOught it would be proper to bring on the Ca-
tholic question this Se'ssion, he would have sus-
pended his own judgment, and have said, ask Mr.
Grattan.

Lord CAStLEREAGU and Mr. PEELE severally
explained.'
Air. W. POLE corroborated the historical view
drawn by Mr. Peele of the Catholie.Committee-.---
reprobated their conduct, and defended the pro-
priety of acceding to the present motion, though.
not with a view to support the Resolutions.
'Mr. W. ELLiOT said, he should -vote for Ott
Committee, but by no :means pledge
,himself to
the measure of his Hon, Friend'. He should pur-
sue the same course now as in the: year
.1813.
Patliament, be .thought, should rise superior -to
the indignation which certain- speeches might be
calculated to excite, and should not visit the er-
rors of a few upon a- tvhole community.
Sir N. COLTHURST supported the motion.
ii'r. V. FITZGEItALD spoke in favour of it, and
said he should vote in consistency with his former
sentiments, and hope for better times.
;sir. Husmssou should vote for going into a
Committee, and lamented that the conduct of the
Catholics themselves should be likely, to
.retard
the progress of-their cause.
Mr. GRATTAN (lift not ‘v.i.,11 to give a silent vote
under the circumstances in which he was placed.
He should vote for the Committee, -considering
the question merely to be, whether the CathOlic
Claims should be discussed, and not binding him-
self to support the Resolutions of his Hon. Friend;
nay, ha would go. so far as to say, that some of
those he could not, support. It was absolutely,
indispensible toconsidet the feelings of men on the
practicability of carrying the question. lie con-
- derimed.all applications for unqualified emancipa-
tion--(Hear ; because, knowing, as he did, the
sentiments of thousands on that point, be was
convinced that it-would not pass: Ile meant to
support the Catholic question with a most despe-
rate fidelity : hut unless the Catholics displayed a
spirit of conciliation they would not succeed : he
had told thetas so before, and now repeated it he
would further say, that a.spirit of conciliation was
not only necessary to their interest, but to their
duty.. If they did not succeed, it would not be
through want of candour on the pall of the Pro-,
testants, but through want of prudence and disa.
eretiori on their own : he could excuse the warmth
of young men, and would not attribute it to the
Catholic Board. 'Hie sentiments with which he
should enter the ConnuiCtee had been already rem
g;itered.
Sir H. PAalgtt.i., -In reply, urged the necessity
of going into a Committe-After Which the House
divide.dt—

For going into a Committee..
Against it 9.28
Majority a;ainst the question,. ---;•81
The other Orders of the Day were the disposed
of.----Adiourned at One o'Clociz this Morning.