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of England than those which he had oaten occasion lo
cate. Under these -circumstances, lie warmly, supported .'the
second reading of the Bill. • • • '
The Earl of CARNARVON was anxious that the 1111
should go on to a Committee. it might them appear very ad-
visable to postpone the ultimate decision-on the measure win
early day in the next Session ; but in the'mean time, by adopt'
ing the course which he recommended, their Lord.ships would.
next Session be much better prepared' to go into' the.discussion
of this important question. •
The Marquis of LANSDOWN, in ieply, said that f-e was
under th'e necessity of dividing the House upon his motion ;•
Had it not been for en apprehension very generally entertaineds
that a proposition to substitute for the case of the Dissenter
a different form of marriage, would have met with opposition
from the Church of England, such a proposition would un-
doubtedly have been submitted. He was 'by no means dis-
posed to hurry the consideration of so important a measure as
this ; but no other opportunity having occurred, he had
been induced to bring it forward, at this late period of the
session, in order that their Lordships might he enabled with as
little loss of time as possible to conic to a decision. Prepared
as he was to hear the Noble and Learned Lord.express his fears
that the consideration of this matter would be hurried, he (Lord
Lansdown) had been really disappointed---sceing that; under
the existing law,: so large a portion of his Majesty's subjects
must either act against their own consciences or refrain from
entering into this mast sacred connexion—that Noble Lords
should refuie their assent to go into a Committee for the pur-
pose of ascertaining whether so grievous an evil admitted of
no remedy.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY, in explanation, said,
that his objections to the Bill applied sotto the doctrinal point],
but to those which regarded discipline.
Their Lordships then' divided on the Second Reading—
Content, present - 151 Not content, present 15
Proxies - . U Proxies - 12

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Majority againh the Second Reading
On our re-admission below the bar, we found
The LORD CHANCE!LLOR on his legs. His Lordship
observed, on -the bringing up of the New
,Merviage Act Re-
port, that havin well considered this tneasure, he had pre-
pared a clause which he should be enabled to submit-to the
House to-morrow.
The further consideration of the Report was adjourned till
to-morrow—Adjourned at Eight o'Clock.'

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
TRANS-VER OF SECURITIES (SCOTLAND) BILL.
On the motion of Mr..liatxNEDr, this Bill was read a third
time and passed.
BRIMSTONE DUTIES BILL.
This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be commit.
ted on Monday.
THE ASSESSED TAXES COMPENSATION BILL.
This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be commit-
ted on Monday.
POST-HORSES' DUTY BILL.
Mr. BERRI ES moved the second reading.of the Bill.
Mr. J. P. GRANT said, that if the lion. Gentleman per-
sisted in his motion, he should be under the necessity of oppes-
ingthe Bill, particularly that'clause of it which increased the
duties on horses hired by the day. • •
Mr. BERRIES defended the Bill.
The Bill was then reads second time.
Mr. DENMAN presented a petition from Liverpool, stating
that the Grand Jury of Lancashire were generally confined to
a stated number of individuals, and complaining of the general
abOses attending the formation• of Grand Juries. The. Peti-
tioners further stated that they mainly attributed tbe.failure of
some of the prosecutions occasioned by the affair of Manchester
to the mode of nominating Grand Jurors. The petition played
that the House would take the question with respect to the
manner of constituting Grand Juries into consideration, with a
view to the correction of the errors and abases growing .out of
the present system.
Mr. B. WILBRAHAM said, that he thought the House
ought not to interfere with the right of the High Sheriff; so
long exercised in the nomination of Grand Juries.
Lord STANLEY said, that the mode of forming Grand
Juries in Lancashire was precisely similar to the mode adopted
In other counties.

41Ir. MIAMI'S said, that ho had no doubt but the facts
stated in the petition were correct, that limitation of the Grand
Juries of Lancashire he had reason w believe greatly partook of
the nature of monopoly. It vas much to be lamented that the
decisions of the (;rand Juries often gave any thing but :sails.;
faction to the country. With respect to the Bills sent up
against the Yeomanry of Manchester, it was to hint a matter
of the utmost astonishment that the Grand Jury, with.the evi-
dence that' had been sent before them, should have thrown
out those Hills. The system of nominating Grand Juries,
he was decidedly of opinion, was one which the interests of
public iustice required should undergo a thorough investigation.
Mr. B..W11.1111.:1.11AM said, that the Gentleman who had
served on Grand Juries in Lancashire were men of the highest
honour and character. •
MS. PHILLIPS said he did not throw any personal impu-
tation, but the cause of justice required that the Grand Jury_
should be taken from a larger number of persons.
Mr. PENMAN. said, that one of the statements of the pe-
tition was, that the number of persona who had served on the
Grand Jury at Lancashire for the last twelve years did not
amount to more than thirty-eight persons, whereas it ought to
have been 183.

The petition was ordered to lie on the table. •
Lord JOHN RUSSELL presented a petition from the Free.masons of Ireland, praying that they might be exempted from
the provisions of the Bill against Secret Societies.
Mr. A BriRCROM BY said. he did not object to the peti.-
tion ; but care'Should be taken that persons under the name of
Freemasons should not assemble together; if care were not
taken, thkwhole object of the Bill might be defeated.
The petition was ordered to he printed.
Mr. H. DRUMMOND said that he had received a Irtwr
from Mr. 'lll'Gregor respecting some observations he had
made in that House during the discussion of the motion dim
Hon. and Leatned.Gentleman (111 i: AbercroMby). All he had
to say was, that the observations he had made were exclusively
founded on the documents on the table.--that he knew nothing
of the case but from these documents. -
ENGLISH ROMAN CATHOLICS.
Dr. PIIILIAMORE presented a petition from the Catholic
Bishop of London, *Praying that lungfish Roman Catholics
might be placed on the same footing, with respect to marrying,
with the Irish CatholicS.

Lord NUGENT said, that the case of the English Catholics
with respect to the restrictions on marriages was a hard one,
and called for redress. Ile took that opportmtity (seeing that
he could not with any convenience to the House bring forward
the discussion of the Bill he had brought in respecting English
Catholics on that evening) of stiting, that if the 'House would
allow the Bill to be read a second time proforma; he would
pledge himself to give the fullest notice fur the discussion of the
principle of the 13111 on the third reading.
Mr. 111 ONCK approved of the removal of the restrictions on
the celebration of lawful marriages by Catholic Priests. in
some jps.titilies in London there were many thousand Roman
Crithotes who married according to' the rites of their own reli-
gion; and whose children were consequently' in lei bastards,
and burthens to the parishes where they were born; instead of
being removeable with their parents. The petition was brought
up and rend. It prayed that marriage by Catholic Priests in
presence of two credible witnesses, after celebration of bans,
might be lawful.
Sir J. MACKINTOSH, said he had a petition to present
from,t,lle parish officers of a larg
e anti popultme district,tn co-
pluining of the burthen brought upon them, and the injury
to the country In general, in consequence' of the law rot4k-
ing the marriage of Roman Catholics, by their own clergy,
unlawful. They represent' d the tlisregaill of *olorn" vows,
.the abandonment of offspring, and the profligacy earl distress
occasioned by this useless aid absurd low. 711 e petition
was from the:Clturchwaard,na, Overseers, and fitiardisul
of,the Poor of the Parish t f St. Luke's s they stated that
in their pariah. which contained forty thousand people" nlar o
proportion of the populatian were Vaihnlicit, uativos Irt.
land, who preferred to be truirried accordhig to the um** of ill, le
i
own religion anti country (for in Ireland such marriages rare
lawful.) The children of all snot) marriages were in law her.
i
Lards; had no natural irtiardisiiii were ohineteati'a to the Ps isht
from which they eouit notb removed with their piteetiu,,
legally orphans from their their iritkincy, and* were exposed to the
waeti of seduction, anti to all-the guilt and itdaery consoquant
oxl Anvil *, state, The Petitioners prayed for the alteiation
thiclaw, which alteration would tie tai emerald% of imetati„„t,
conferring the slightest degree of Poittieiti Power; Ha