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ment were in possession of information of how far the
/Net.. known in 11,-eland as the Snap Kitchen Act, had
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The Marquis of 14, Wda neariy in•
audible in the gallery, was understood to say that the
Government were not in posession of that positive infor-
mation which would justify them in laying it before the
House. -

Earl FITZWILLIAM said that the object of his re-
turn was to ascertain the number Gf male and female
paupers who had been relieved, what had been the ex-
pense within certain periods, and what districts of the
poor-law the rates had been levied for the purpose. Ile
should move for those returns on Friday Lext.
The Earl of CLANCARTY hoped that the Noble
Earl would include in those returns one also of the
voluntary contributions which had been made for the
same purpose_
THREATENING LETTERS.

On the motion of Lord DENMAN the House went
into Committee on the Threatening Letters Bill. It
passed through Committee, and the report was ordered
to be brought up on Friday.
BELGRAVE CHAPEL.
Lord NI ONTEAGLE, in rising to present a petition
from the Rev. Dr. Th-•rpe on the annointment of a
•haplain to this chapel, regretted that it hid not fallen
into the hands of some person more competent to do it
justice, and discarded every supposition that, in the
remarks ' >hich he might make upon the Ric,ht Rev.
Prelate, whose conduct was brought in question, he had
not the slightest personal feeling. Had the question
touched upon, by this petition, been of a spiritual
nature, he should not have felt it to be his duty to bring
it before their Lordships; but the question was purely of
a secular character; and, therefore, it was perfectly in
the province of a lay Lord to introduce it to the
House. The petition he had to present was
signed by a highly-respectable reverend gentleman
whom he did not know personally, but who,
it was represented to him was a gentleman of undoubted
respectability. Now this gentleman, on applying to a
Right Reverend Prelate for an appointment which was
at the time vacant in the church was told by that Right
Reverend Prelate that he was not eligible to the appoint-
ment, because he was an Irish clergyman. He should
not have made objection to the refusal had it been
founded upon spiritual defects in the applicant. The
Church of Ireland contained the names of some of the
most illustrious men to be found in connexion with

the churches of both countries.—(Hear, hear.) It was
too much to say that an Irishman could not
hold a curacy in London at the very time
when the Bishop placed nearly at the head of the
church of Ireland was an Englishman, who had seen
little or nothing of Ireland—(Hear, hear)—and many
Englishmen held high offices in the Irish church: it was
not unlike what the late Sir Roach Boyle had said,
namely—that all the mutuality was on one side.—
(Laughter.) When Lord Plunkett was elevated to the
bench a cabal was formed against him much similar to
the one which he was now discussing; but he overcame
it, and at the time the bar of England refused to consent
to the elevation of Lord Plunkett to the judgeship of the
Rolls Court, Sir Anthony Hart was sent over to preside
over one of the highest Equity Courts in Ireland.—
(Hear, hear.) There was no safety for Ireland,
for one hour if the Protestant Episcopal Church of Ire-
land, as specified in the Act of Union, was to be consi-
dered a separate instead of a similar and sister esta•
blishment with the Protestant Church of England. Why
the Act of Union expressly stated that the Protestant
Church of both countries should be asssimilated, and
that they should be called the United Protestant
Churches of England and Ireland. But of all times this
was the most inexpedient to endeavour to draw invidious
distinctions between the two Churches. And then no
Church had so much improved as the Irish Church dur-
ing the last five and twenty years. Still further, was this
inexpedient at a time when the Protestant clergyman
and the Catholic priest had associated together for the
purpose of assuaging the sufferings of the Irish people.
—(Hear). An objection to the difference between the
g.ourse of instruction in the Colleges of Dublin and of
Oxford and Cambridge, though at first one might think
of some importance, could not avail, as the Right Rev.
Prelate had himself admitted that the course of religious
study in the Protestant College of Ireland was superior
to that pursued in the English Universities. He trusted
'hat nothing be had said might be construed into offence
towards the Right Rev. Prelate, and he concluded by
laying the petition on the table.
The Bishop of LONDON only intended to address a
few words to their Lordships, in reply to the statement
of the Noble Lord. He believed be should he able to
show that, in the course he had pursued, he had not
been actuated by any disrespect to that branch of the
United Church whose labours were confined to Ireland.
En the first place, he begged to thank the Noble Earl
for the way in which he had introduced the subject to
~heir Lordships, except so far as his remarks led him to
think that he had not done justice to the church of his
country ; because no one was more willing to do justice
to the claims of that Church than be was—no pany-
genic which he could pronounce would be too high
with respect to the past conduct of the
Protestant clergy of Ireland for many years past, and
oarticularly during the last few months.—(Hear, hear.)
The regulation to which the petition referred had not
been adopted by him daring the last few months, or the
last few years, but was adopted 23 years ago, and this
was the first time complaint had been made of it. When
he was Bishop of Chester, he found the influx of Irish
clergymen into his diocese extremely great, and he dis-
couraged it on more grounds than one—particularly on
two grounds—which still existed in his mind ; and they
were these: he did not think that young men educated
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ooming over to England he th0u.,,1.t extremely hard upon
the young men educated at great 4 xpense at the English
universities, and that they should be misplaced from
ouracies and those occupations in the Church for which
they had been educated, and prevented from obtaining
ordination by the immigration of large numbers of Irish
ttlergyraen, therefore he thought right to discourage
the practice • but the rule was at no time ri-
gidly adhered to, because he thought there were
many reasons why Irish clergymen should not come
over here, and at that moment there were as
many Irish clergymen licensed as those whom he had
refused to license. As this rule had been in forced 23

years, and had, moreover, been published in the recog-
nised organs of the Church, it was somewhat remarkable
that it never had elicited any remonstrance from the
clergy in his diocese ; but if his Noble Friend the Lord
Primate of Ireland had stated that he thought such a
rule was inconsistent with the relations which should
subsist between the two Churches, and between the two
countries, he should have bowed to the wish of his Grace;
but nothing of the kind had occurred, yet the petiti ,ner
stated on his own authority that he (the Bishop
of London) had been guilty of an intole-
rable assumption of authority. Hia offence alone
r'onsisting in preventing young men from quitting that
sphere of labour for which they had been specially
,ordained. The petitioner should have brought the
natter before the heads of the Irish church, rather than
by a petition to their Lordships, which had not been
read, but which contained much stronger language than
that used by his Noble Friend He (the Bishop of
London) might have acted injudiciously, hut, as he had
said, he had adopted the rule as a stringent one. This
he thought was sufficient to exonerate him from having
east any disrespect upon the Irish church. Within the
last year or two he bad conferred two or three of the most
valuable livings in his diocese on Irish clergymen. One
•,f the most valuable livings in connexion with St. Paul's
had been conferred by him on an Irish clergyman. But
Dr. Thorpe, by his conduct, had not rende ed it neces-
sary for him (the Bishop of London) to show him any
special obligation. When Dr. Thorpe's curate came to
tim, he staled his objections, but ho, at the same time,
intimated that as Dr. Thorpe was about to leave the
country, he night perform his duties, and let the matter
rest until he returned ; but Dr. Thorpe, thereupon,
wrote him a letter, accusing him of an .6 intolerable as-
sumption of power," and refused to consent ; but, sub-
sequently, he (the Bishop of London) found that the
curate was a fit person to be licensed, and he offered to
license him, but he thanked him for his offer, but
declined, and since that time he had licensed many Irish
clergymen, and he should continue to do so. He begged
to thank their Lordships for the attention with which
they had listened to his explanation.
The Earl of CL ANCARTY said that the Irish clergy
were men of the highest character and the most
superior intellectual attainments. Attached as he was
to the union between the two countries, he
regretted that such a distinction should have
been made. There had been a great deal of talk about
repeal, but he assured their Lordships there was nothing
which would aid more strength to that cry than such
unhappy distinctions. Englishmen and Scntchmen
were advanced to a high situation in Ireland, but they
could not instance that the converse of fact was true.
He therefore begged to give his support to the prayer in
the petition which his Noble Friend had omitted to

state.
Lord MOUNTCASHEL said that if the whole bnich
of Right Rev. Prelates adopted the same rule, they
would not have any Irish officiating clergymen in the
whole of England.
LUNATIC ASYLUM BILL.
Lord CAMPBELL gave notice that he would move,
that the House go into Committee, on the Lunatic Asylum
Bill, on Friday next, proforma.
LANDED PROPERTY (IRELAND) BILL.
On the bringing up of the report of the Landed Pro-
perty Bill,
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the insertion
of certai❑ words in this Bill, giving power for the erec
tion of farm buildings to the Commissioners, should they
deem it requisite,
The motion was agreed to, and after a few words from
The Marquis of WESTMEATH and Lord MONTEAGLE,
The report was received.
The House then adjourned.

HOUSE OF (,(131,110N5, May 11.
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four.
THIRD READINGS.
The following Bills were real a third time and
passed :
Martin's Divorce Bill.
The Shipowners' Towing Company Bill.
REPORTS.
The following reports were brought up, and ordered
to bg engrossed :
Caledimian Railway (Lease or Purchase of Wishaw
Coltnehs Railwa)).
Caledmian and Glasgow, Paisley and Greenock Rail-
*Vays Amalgamation.
cvlogow, Dumfries, and Carlisle Railway, and Glasgow

Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (No. 4).
The reports on the following Bills were further con-
BtPtetoo,
borough and Thorne)• Line).
Chard Canal and Railway (Extension and Amalgama-
tion).
Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr (No. 4).
Herne Bay and Canterbury Junction Railway.
Inverness Gas and Water.
Liskeard and Caradou Railway.
Southampton and Dorchestkr Railway (New Forest
Deviation and Branches).
South Wales Railway.
Vale of Neath Railway.
Wilts, Som,!rset. and Weymouth Railway (No. 1—
Bruton, Pitcombe, and Rodden and Bradford De•

iations).
Wexford an I Valencia Railway (Killarney toValencial

.17fIANIES CONSERVANCY

This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to be
committed.
NORTH OF INDIA RAILWAY.

Mr GREENE moved that the order made upon the
Bth of March last, referring the Great North of India
Railway Bill to the Conin3itte of Selection, be read ;
that the said order be discharged ; and that the Bill be
wit hd rawn.—A greed to.
BLACKBURN, DARWEN. AND BOL FON
RAILWAY.

Mr. WILSON PATTEN moved that in the case of
the Blackburn, Darwen, and Bolton Railway (diversions
of line in the parishes of Blackburn and Bolton-in-the-
Moors), petition for additional provision, the Examiners
of petitions have leave to sit and pros. ed to-morrow.
Agreed to.
RATHMINES IMPROVEMENT.
Mr. GREGORY moved that it he an instruction to
the Committee of Selection to appoint the Committee on
the Rathmines Improvement Bill for Tuesday, the 18th
instant, and that the Committee do meet and proceed
with the Bill on that day.
After some observations from Sir W. Ileathcote, Mr.
Grogan, and Mr. Estcourt, the motion was negatived
without a division.
RATE-PAYING CLAUSES.
Mr. M.: PHILIPS presented petitions from Man-
chester against the rate-paying clauses of the Reform
Bill.

HOLYHEAD HARBOUR OF REFUGE.

Mr. COLLETT wished to know when the House
rnisrht to rArnr! "f 01r.
tipi °sided o I,,,TAtie lila) CIIt iiitit66 oI tiolyi,tuu tea La.
harbour of refuge?
Mr. WARD said that not a moment had been lost in
the proceedings of the Commissioni..rs appointed to in-
quire into the subject. The Commissioners had thought
it necessary to proceed down to the spot, in order to exa
mine the " holding" ground at the bottom of the harbour.
He thought that the report would very shortly be laid
upon the table of the House.
DIRECT TAXATION.

Lord J. RUSSELL wished to ask the Hon. Member.
for Dumfries (Mr. Ewa,m) whether he would consent to
po--tpone the motion of which he had given notice
i this day, on the subject of direct taxation, n order to
afford an opportunity for proceeding with the consie-ri.
tion of the report of the Committee agreed to last night
on the Discount on Loans Bill?
Mr. EWART had no objection to postpone his me
Lion, on condition that other Hon. Members who had
motions on the paper should do the same ;
and at the
same time he would give notice that he would bring for-
ward his motion on the first day of the House going
into Committee of Supply.
POOR REMOVAL ACT.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that, seeing the Hon. Mi'm-
ber for Dorsetshire (Mr. Bankes) in his place, he wished
to state to him that with respect to the motion which he
had upon the paper for to-day, to bring in a Bill to re-
peal the Ist clause of the Act 8 and 9 Vic., c. 66, the
Poor Removal Act, the Government had no objection to
the Bill being brought in.
Mr. BANKES said that it was to be understood then
that the discussion upon the Bill was to take place at
an early period.
COLONIAL AND BRITISH SPIRITS.
Mr. MOFFATT postponed till Friday next his Bill
for assimilating the warehousing privileges on colonial
and British spirits, and also his Bill to permit British
spirits to be rectified in bond for exportation, and to
permit rectified spirits and compounds to be warehoused
for ex, irtation.
FREE TRADE FOR JAMAICA.

Mr. HUME postponed till Thursday next his motion
to call the attention of the House to the petition from
Jamaica, signed by 4,000 persons, praying for free
trade for that colony, and for an additional supply of
labour, as requisite for the prosperity of that island.
POOR REMOVAL BILL.
Mr. BANKES moved for leave to bring in a Bill to
repeal the first clause of the Poor Removal Act, Bth and
9th Victoria, c. 66.

Sir G. GREY had no objection to the Bill being
brought in and read a first time, but on the distinct
understanding that the Government were not pledged to
the Bill, and that their objectioas to it remained in full
force.

Mr. DUNCOMBE was very much afraid that the
the country would misunderstand the reason for allow-
ing this Bill to be brought in and read a first time. It
appeared that the Government consented to the Bill to
be saved from the Hon. Gentleman's speech.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM was desirous to consult the
convenience of the Government as much as possible, but
in allowing this Bill to be read a first time, he wished it
to be understood as not acceding in any way or relax-
ing his opposition to that Bill.
Mr. E. DENISON said that it would be well that the
course of her Majesty's Government should be known to
the country; there was a great deal of anxiety abroad
respecting the law, and he wished the opinion of the
Government were fixed.

Sir G. GREY said that he had already stated what
was the opinion of her Majesty's Government, and it
was out of his power entirely to fix a day.
Mr. VERNON SMITH said that it would be much
better for the Hon. Gentleman to withdraw his motion.
an i bring it on upon another day. Whether the
vote were carried or not, it would be well
that her should be some discussion upon
the subject, and some expression of opinion, he believed
that these repeated changes of the law were very in-
jurious, and that the existing law was was peculiarly
objectionable.

Mr. BANKES said 0-,at if the Government would
promise to take this Bill into their own hands and
amend it he would withdraw his motion, but in the
a7:ense of this intimation he should feel it his duty
to persevere. He did not, however, under present
circumstances desire to throw any obstacle in the way
of the business of the House, and should therefore be
contented with fixing an early day for the second
reading, when the dtscussion might take place. He
should, therefore, move now for leave to bring in a Bill
for the repeal of the first clause of the Poor Removal
Act. _ _ _

Mr. HUME did not clearly understand the object of
this proceeding. He remembered that this clause was
brought in as a sort ofcompensation to gentlemen of landed
i.roperty--(Laughter)—and now one of these gentlemen
came forward to move that it be rescinded. He did not
think that they should accede to the proposition of
the Hon. Gentleman, he should rather hope that Go-
vernment would object to the Bill altogether, and he
trusted, therefore, that the sense of the House would be
at once taken on the Bill, so that it might be got rid of.
Mr. CHARLES BULLER happened to be in the
position of Chairman to the Committee in question,
and he was placed in considerable difficulty, in con-
sequence of the extraordinary diversity of opinion
which prevailed in it. (Laughter.) There were
not merely two conflicting opinions—(Laughter)—but
the greatest variety of opinions.—(Laughter.) An en
deavour had been made to bring the Committee to a
decision by a motion that the Bill should be re-
pealed altogether ; but to this course there
was an almost universal objection. Then
it was moved as a general proposition that the law of
last session should be preserved, but it was here found
that all the Members were for amending it each in a
particular and different way.—(Laughter.) He must
say that the Hon. Member for Dorsetshire had taken
the more manly way, and that which was most
likely to assist the Committee in coming to a conclu-
sion on the subject. He had brought forward his Bill
for the expunging
of the first clause in Committee,
and when they had it in this practical shape before the
House they would know how to deal with the question.
He therefore most heartily thanked the Hon. Member
the
of motiontthe amount
of
Mr.for Dorsetshire for having brought forward his motion.
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
BELFAST MUNICIPAL CORPORATION.
On
Belfast Corporation, and of the mode of expenditure
of the money they had received.
of the ROSSpropert severalypurerheatuserd esbywtehree
granted
_LOAN (DISCOUNT ON INSTALMENT) BILL.
On the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, the re-
port on this Bill was brought up, and agreed to without
discussion.

HEALTH OF TOWNS BILL.
This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to te
committed.

POOR RELIEF SUPERVISION (IRELAND)
BILL.

This Bill was read a third time and passed.
SERVICE OF HEIRS (SCOTLAND) BILL. ,
The report upon this Bill was brought up and
agreed to.
POOR REMOVAL (ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND)
The report upon this BILL'
Bill was also brought up and
agreed to.

CROWN (CHARTERS') SCOTLAND BILL.
The report upon this Bill was also brought up, and
agreed to.

ENCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL.
This Bill was read a second time.
lOUSE OF COMMONS COSTS TAXATION

BILL.
This Bill went through Committee, and was ordered
to be reported to-morrow.

TURNPIKE ROADS (IRELAND) BILL.

This 13i11 was read a secondtime.
The other orders of the day having been disposed of,
the House adjourned.

IMPORT OF PROVISIONS INTO LEITH.—The arrivals
of foreign grain at Leith have been upwards of 36,000 quar-
ters weekly for some time back, principally from the lower
Baltic ports. On the opening of the Russian rivers there
will probably be a great increase in the imports of rye, rye
meal, oats, ac. In the scarcity of British ships for charter, i
foreign vessels have been sant from this to Riga, and other
ports. Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thusdsy last brought
4,029 quarters of wheat, X 4,837 quarters barley, and 945
quarters oats, besides tares, peas, and potatoes.—Edinburgle
pa r
pe.
ADMISSION OF THE PUBLIC TO VIEW THE NEW
HOUSE OF LonDs.—Monday the public were admitted to
view the New House of Lords without tickets, The privi-
lege is to be continued during the session on appeal days,
namely, Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays; on Saturdays
admission will still he by tickets, issued from the Lord Cham-
berlain's office.
GLASGOW IRON TRADE.—GLASGOW, MAY 8.
The price of Scotch pig iron, delivered free on board here,
may be quoted to-day at 665. per ton net cash for 3-sths No.
1 and 2-sths No. 3. Extensive purchases were made this
week at 675. 6(1., 665., and 655. net cash, for the usual pro-
-1 portion of numbers, but owing to the continued pressure in
the money market sales for cash down can only be effected
by a still further reduction in price.
The late lamented Mr. Youatt, in one of his orations
to the members of the Veterinary College, observes—a That
by the improvements in the modern chemistry, the medical
profession are enabled successfully to treat diseases which
were previously supposed as not within the reach of niefE-
eine." This truth has been manifested for many years, but
in no instance of greater importance to mankind than by
ib)lrince Edward of Saxe
the discovery of Blair's Gout and Rheumatic Pills.
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