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London, England, 1847-07-02 00:00:00

and evenings, to sing at the defendant's. It was about
a fortnight before that that the first assault took place.
It was ten minutes before the do;endant was about to
commence the duties of the evening. I struggled, but I
did not call out. There is a door that leads from the

vestry into the church—it was shut, but not locked.
Any one could have walked in. After this occurred I
went and performed my duties, as did Mr. Ramsay. I
was to have 161. per annum fur singing morning and
evening. My husband was not a singer, but his name
was nominally used. On the next occasion, in Liver-
pool-street, it was the 10:h of Soptember, 1845,
between three and five o'clock. Mr. Ramsay did not
go through the kitchen to go into the parlour, but he
could see Manning smoking in the kitchen when
he went into the parlour. There was a window in
the parlour looking into the garden. There was a very
large flower-stand before the window, which was paint( d
in imitation of ground glans. I struggled from five to
ten minutes. 1 did not call out at all. I knew Manning
was near at hand, and that was the reason for not calling
out, as I did not wish to expose Mr. Ramsay, and, from
the situation I was in, I knew what the end of It would

be if I raised any report; and the feelings of my husband
formed another reason. I was able to defend mysdf, and
therefore did not need assistance. My gown was torn out 1
of the gathers and my hair disturbed when I came out
of th• room, and Manning said there had been sometrikg
wrong, and therefore I told Manning, but begged him
not to tell my husband. At Christmas, 1845, my husband
presented Mr. and Mrs. Ratzzay with a turkey. I never
consulted Mrs. Ward as to what would be a suitable pre-
sent to make to Mr. Ramsay. i.kfter Christmas, 1845,
four of my children were christened by Mr. Ramsay.
Manning was godfather for one. My children are all
fair-haired. They were christened with my maiden
name Sugden first, as "Sugden Ernmerson." There are
two or three days that I have nut been asked stout. I
mentioned what took place three months after my con-
finement, at the meeting. I wrote a narrative after the
meeting. I said Mr. Ramsay had called several times,

but I did not state particular dates. His conduct was

repeated six or seven times.. I did not present a purse
to Mr. and Mrs. Ramsay on the day following the 27th
~f Octcber, when he took very great liberties with me.
I had made purses sums time before, and my nu,baud
iisked me for them, and he gave them to Mr. and Mrs.
Ramsay. I have some at home now.
Sir F. THESIGER—I don't care about that.
Mr. S9rgeatir SHEE —That's to show it vim not made
for Mr. Ramsay.
Sir F. TUESIGER -I don't think my friend has a right
to interfere.

Mr. Sergeant SHEE—Because I don't think you are
treating the witness fairly.
Sir F. THESIGER—I would appeal to your Lordshp
whether I am acting unfairly.
Mr. Justice WIGUTMAN—I think you are not acting
unfairly.
Sir E. THESIGER—I have a very difficult task to per-
l'orm in examining this witness.
Mr. Sergeant SHEE—And my friend must recollect
that the witness has a very difficult task to perform.
Witness—l have not spoken in high terms of Mr.
Ramsay since October, 1846, either to Peters or Mrs.
Ward. I attended to my duties afterwards, because it
was my bread and cheese. Mr. Ramsay has lent my
husband 10/. My engagement en the 30th of July was
by the churchwardens, but I have a written engagement
with Mr. Ramsay. After we bad indicted Mr. Ramsay,
we called upon Deville's men, but what took place be-
tween them and my husband Ido not know. I did not
say that I had written the letter in anger, and that if
Mr. Ramsay had paid me I should not have said any-
thing about it. The proposal to go out with two married
men was not my proposal. I showed great reluctance at
having to give these details before men. I did not state
the particulars myself to all the men at the meeting
when I returned into the room. Mr. Manning said
that if it had only been a kiss he should not have
thought anything of it ; but as it was so black a
charge he could not be a party to a compromise. He
said that any man would take a kiss from a woman
where he thought it would be well received. Mr.
Clark, the organist, told me to go to Mr. Hobler, and I
should have justice done me. I know Mr. Braithwaite;
he has sung in the choir at St. Michael's. I was at Mar-
gate, singing, about five or six years ago, at the Tivoli-
gardens; I sung there as Miss Sugden. I don't know
that Wright was the cash-taker at those gardens. I
have seen him to-day. No comp Lints were made of my
conduct to men in those gardens. I never heard of such
a thing in my life. I was not discharged in cons( quence
of my bad conduct. I know Mr. W alton; he is here.
I never asked him to introduce me to men, but he en-
deavoured in every way to seduce me; and he told me it
I would submit to him he would introduce me to all the
noblemen and gentlemen in London; and because I
would not he has done all he can to injure me. I never
offered hire a percentage, and slid that rich old met.
were best. Oh God! it is too bad; it is shameful. I
never walked with a man in my life at the gardens.
They tried to defame my character, and could not succeed;
and when my husband threatened to horsewhip them
they begged his pardon. I had before that sung at
Belgrave Chapel. I was not dismissed, but in conse
quence of my sending a deputy the clergyman said I
must come myself, We lived in the house of a Mr.
Mitchell; we left before the last parter was due. Ha
afterwards came drunk, and demanded his rent, and I
charged him with brutal conduct to me. I never told
M. Reekes that a Mr. Blatch, of Brompton, was the
father of one of my children. I formerly sang at the
Opera; I was discharged in consequence of my refusine
to sing alto instead of treble. I dal not state that Mr. Costa
had tuken liberties wi!h me. I did not tk:11 Mts. Want
or Mr. Case so. I never told Mr. Braithwaite that I
was passionately fond of Air. Ramsay and adored the
ground he trod on, or that Mr. Ramsay had kissed me,
and my husband knew of it., but did not care, or that I
was intimate with Manning and hid been out a week
together with him, or that I had been in France with
gams Manning sometimes called for me at the church.
I know Mr. Clark. I never threatened Mr. Ramsay in
Clark's presence. My husband said at the meeting that
if he found anything wrong between his wife and Ram-
say he would turn him out of the church or rot in a
2:1101. I did not state to Walker that Ramsay slept one
night with Mrs. Vt and the next with her daughter.
I know Daniel M'Cormaelt, the bellringer at the church.
sent to a beer-shop for him, as I wanted to ask him a
question. I asked him if he ever saw Mr. Ramsay
taking libel ties with me in the vestry through the sky-
light ; he said he had seen nothing of the kind. I did
not offer him a purse and say, " Always make a friend
when you can ; you had better take this and witness
the vestry for me, and I will take care you shall be well
rewarded." Nor did I tell him that I had plenty of
money, and had a friend who had plenty, and that we
were determined to spend the last farthing in exposing
Ramsay, unless I was reinstated. I was not present
when my husband charged Mr. Jones, the churchwar-
den, with taking liberties with me. My husband was
discharged by Mr. Ackermann after we indicted Mr.
Ramsay. I have had two situations in churches since,
and through Mr. Ramsay's insinuations I have been
turned out. I have been told so by Staples, the organist
of St. Mary'ia in the Strand, and I have his letter to
prove it. I never heard from my husband that he had
told Ramsay that he was a needy man, and if he gave
him 2001. he would hush up the matter.
This witness was four hours under examination, and
conductiesd,a!learbs(o,luftwittoh elexatyrtentehperocproiuetryt:
She when Sir F.
Thesiger called out, "Don't let her go out of court."
One of the jury interposed, and said such an examina-
tion was no joke, and she ought to be permitted to go
orai and get refreshment.
Mr. Justice WIGHTMAN said—Yes, with an officer,
because she should not cnaraunicate with the other

witnesses.
gunning
—nT am a
Emmerson. In In September I was in the hou,e
James:lrs
l. bookseller. I know Mr.
and
when the defendant came there. Mrs. Etnmerson
parlour. opened
the doora s a
tra h
was attracted
; they went into the back
I the child crying, and I
went and listetied at the parlour door, and there I heard
to
by
a bustle or struggle. It continued for ten minutes or a
quarter of an hour. I heard nothing said. I then re-
turned to the kitchen, opened the yard-door, and knelt
down on the step and looked through an opening in the
window, and I saw Mr. Ramsay pulling Mrs. Emmerson
about, and pulling her tuwards him; she was endeavour-
ing to get away, and at last, by a desperate effort, she
succeeded in getting from him, and sat down in a chair,
and took the child, and appeared to be much exhausted.
I then saw her putting up her hair. When she came
out of the room I perceived the gathers of her gown
were torn out. She looked centusfd and exhausted.
She said, " I'm glad the fellow's gone." I then a,ked
her about it. She sail, "He has been pulling me about,
and that it was not the first time." I said, " Where
was it, then?" She said, "In the vestry." I asked her
why she did not tell Mr. Emmerson? She sail, "If
Emmerson knew it, he would pull him out of the pulpit,
and he would lose Ills place, and my fam.ly be deprived
of bread." She went on her knees, and begged me not
to tell Emmerson of it.
Cross-examined—On the previous Sunday I had pro-
mised Emmerson to go to the rehearsal at Burleigh•
street, and I called on my -"•Y* I drop in as it suits me
to take my pipe. When before the grand jury I made a
mistake in my description of the window. When I
heard the bustle in the parlour I did not go in, because
it was no business of wine; but I went to the parlour
window to satisfy my curiosity; and I then saw she was
sufficiently master to gain the victory, and therefore
there was no necessity for me to interfere. I never was
in France.
Emmerson was put into the box by the prosecution.
Sir F. TREstoeit said, as he had been its the Court all
the time, he should not ask him a question.
This was the case for the prosecution.
Sir F. Tnesicen then addressed the jury on behalf of
the defendant, and said, as they must be aware, he did
so under circumstances of some difficulty, because this
ease had occupied a consider eble portion of their time,
and he had been engaged from the tune of the Court
sitting that morning, and he must necessarily be to v.
certain extent exhausted and incapable of performing
satisfactorily the important duties devolving upon him;
but still he felt they must all be sensible of the extreme
importance of this case, that they would consider how
much depended on their determination, and would exer-
cise their own careful judgment and discretion upon all
the circumstances, and form their judgment out of their
own minds rasher than from the imperfect view he might
be enabled to give them. He had the honour to appear
before them as counsel for a gentleman who for a long
series ofyears had held the highest character, and had per-
formed in a most exemplary manner all the sacred duties
he had been c'dled upon to discharge. There never had
been the slightest blemish on his reputation; but he was
nowealled upon to an•
swer charges which, Jur) should
come to a conclusion adverse to him, would not only
render it impossible to continue his sacred functions,
.but would prevent his entering into any state of society,
He most earnestly entreated their most painful and most
careful consideration of all the circumstances of this
case. He called upon them, as the best safeguard and
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