The Sun.
London, England, 1840-08-07 00:00:00

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EVENING EDITION.

CASE OF F. O'CONNOR.
Mr. AGLIONEYkhen proposed that, according to
the understanding e `CA:r ed into last night, the division
should now be taken on the amendment which he had
proposed last evening, on the motion for going into a
Committee of Ways and Means. It had been under-
stood that the division should be taken without dis-
cussion.

Lord J. RUSSELL then moved the Order of the
Day for the Committee of Ways and Means, and
Mr. AGL LONBY moved the adjourned debate.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
house divided when there appeared—
For Mr. Aglioeby's ameadment I
Against it
Majorite 3l
tneu_s themiliar Schools
The Lords' amend t_o _Fa
Bid were agreed to.
Tee Lords' amendments to the Roscommon Town
Lands Iddi were agreed to.
Mr. HUME brought u,r the Itcpert of the S lcct
Committee on Import Duties, whlch was ordered to be
printed.
KHIVA—RUSSIA, TURKEY, AND FRANCE.
Mr. HUME said it was reported that the Russians
had arrived at Khiva in great force, and were advancing
on Bokhara, and he wished to know if there was any
truth in the repot.
Sir JOHN 110BHOUSE did not believe there was
one syllable of truth in these reports, and lie would state
to the House the reason why. Cspt. Abbott, who had
left Khiva at a cl ate subsequent to that on which the
, Russians were stated to have arrived there, had arrived
at Orenberg, and from Orenberg he had come to St.
Petersburgh, accompanied by the Russian General who
had had the command of the expedition destined for
Khiva. He believed the truth to be that the Russian
expedition intended fur Khiva, and which never certainly
was nearly so numerous, or in such force, as it had been
represented to be, after having advanced four or five
marches to the south of the gaspian, fell back and en-
' trenched themselves. They subsequently retired upon
Orenberg, where the expedition now remained; General
Perowsky, however, who was in command of the expe-
dition, having gone from Orenberg to St. Petersburgh.
As the Russians had not reached Khiva, he need not
say that he entertained no fear of the Russians reaching
Bokhara, and in fact, he did not believe that at the
present moment there was a single Russian soldier in
Koordistan.—(Cheers.)
Mr. HUME was most happy to hear it. He
would now cell the attention of the House to the
subject of which he had given notice, namely, the pre-
. sent state of the Eastern question. It would be recol-
lected that on a former night the Noble Lord had de-
nied that this country had ever acknowledged Mell, met
Ali's pretensions to Syria. The Hon. Gentleman then
referred to the despatches to the Consul-General of
Egypt, to the letter of Col. Campbell, and to the cor-
respondence which took place relative to the Euphrates
Expedition, with a view of showing that at that period
the sovereignty of Mehemet Ali over Syria had been
acknowledged. He wished to know from the Noble
Lord whether the Convention, alleged to have been
concluded between England, Prussia, Austria, and
Russia, respecting the settlement of the affairs of Syria,
had been signed, and if so, whether there would be any
objection to lay a copy of it on the table before the
termination of the Session. If that wit& had been re-
ported was true lie could not conceive a course of
policy more disastrous to England.—(Hear, hear.)
His objection to the present proceeding was that the
British people were called upon to join a holy alliance
with - the despots and tyrants of Europe, and had to
that object sacrificed tile alliance of the only constitu-
tional power among them, namely, that of France. It
appeared to him that the interference of Lord Ponsonby
as the representative of the British nation, had, on
more than one occasion, prevented that peace being
concluded wish it should be the object of that coon
try to prese-rve. In joining with Russia the Noble
Lord (Palmerston) was promoting the views of that
ambitious power, whose object evidently was to divide
and weaken Egypt. If the Noble Lord would lay upon
the table of the House the despatches of Lord Ponseaby
since 1833, he would prove to demonstration the impo-
litic and un-English course he was pursuing. It trp-
peered to him that by rejecting the amicable inter-
ference of France, and throwing of the assis'ance of
that ally, by whom peace- had been established in Bel-
gium and Holland, they were running the risk of being
embarked in a most disastrous war. He inferred that
from the tone of the public Journals of that country,
and from the extensive additions they were making to
their naval and military force, and he warned
the Noble Lord to pause ere it was too late. If the
Treaty to which the Noble Lord had put his seal and
signature authorised the landing of 30,000 or 40,000
Russian troops in Asia Minor, for the pur-
pose of driving the Egyptians out of Syria,
and that under the protection of a British fleet,
the time would come when the British people
would find that they h leagued kith their worst ene-
mies. If instructions had been sent out to authorise
the commencement of hostilities either with Mehemet
Ali or with Erance, he hoped the Parliament would be
called together to pronounce its opinion upon it, before
they had embarked in so fatal and disastrous a contest.
The Hon. Member concluded by moving for a copy of
the Convention that had been concluded between Eng-
land, Russia, Austria, and Prussia, for the settlement
of the affairs of the East. -

Mr. LEADER seconded the motion.
Lord PALMERSTON—Sir, no one can find fault
with the manner in which the Hon. Member has stated
his sentiments ; but I must beg to say, that as strongly
as the Honourable Gentleman believes that my
policy is promoting the views of Russia, so strongly
am I impressed with the belief that it will have pre-
cisely the contrary effect. I beg, in the first place,
to repeat, in the strongest terms, the denial that has
been given by my Right Hon. Friend the President of
the Board of Control, of the Russian troops having
advanced to Khiva. They had advanced some
marches, but were obliged, from the snows which
rendered the country impassable, to return. Now,
with regard to the guarantee which is alleged to
have been given by the British Government, that
Syria would be secured to, Egypt, T beg to refer
him to the papers on the subject which have been laid
before Parliament,. and he will find that no such
guarantee whatever' has been given.—(Hear, hear.)
With regard to the orders said to have been sent out to
Captain Napier, I. can assure the Hon. Member that
the only orders sent to him were to protect British
interests. 1 have certainly made some representations
to the Egyptian commander, for the purpose of putting
a stop to the barbarity and atrocity which was practised
there, and I have reason to believe that that reeresentation
has had the effect of putting an errd to these atroci-
ties to a considerable degree.—(Hear, hear.) With
respect to the Convention to which the MenAer
has referred) •,I—atlmit- that rie-gd-tiations - ate id pie-
gress, itiniTheive donsiaerably advanced ; but the Hug,
Member must be aware that until ratifications have 13-41
exchanged by the different powers who are parties
thereto, the Convention can be of no force or value.
It has never been the practice Tending negotia-
tions to' lay a Convention before-Parliament:, When
the
_prOper time arrives I shall halve no objectioa
whatever to lay that treaty before the House.---r
(then) With regard to the allegations of the Hon.
Gentleman that our present policy is calculated to bring
about a breach with Franco, I beg distinctly to say that
it never was the intention of tho British Government lo
abandon that alliance, which I believe. to be mainly con-
ducive to the interests of the two countries, and to the
maintenance of the general peace of Europe. Although
on the present particular occasion on one part, but an
important part of a great European question, there has
been a difference of opinion with France, which has pre-
vented that Power from associating herself for the pur-
poses of establishing the Convention now in progress, yet
I trust, and I speak with a well-grounded hope and con
fidence, that this temporary difference of views is not
likely to operate upon the general views and feelings of
the two countries, and will not shake those recollections
which have been founded on the long-enduring and per-
manent interests of the two countries, and that it will
not lead to any alienation, much less to anything like a
hostile feeling, between two countries having so many in-
terests in common.—(Hear, hear.) No endeavour has
Lecn wanting on our part to bring about a union of
views with Franco, and negotiations have been upwards
of twelve months pending on the subject. Between this
country and France the same feeling and desire ex-
ists to maintain the integrity and independence of
the Turkish empire under the existing dynasty ;
.we never bad any difference of opinion on that point.
France has declared that she considers the mainte-
nance of the independence of Turkey as essential to the
preservation of the general peace of Lumps, and has
declared her determination to support it by envy means
of influence and action in her power. These are also
the intentions of Great Britain, but there is a difference
as to the tendency of particular meanures. lam
justified, therefore, in saying that a temporary
diTerence in details cannot lay
.the foundation of any
permanent or essential alienation between the twomun-
tries. On the other hand the policy
of the Hon. hem-
bee for Kilkenny would have illdirectly. a tengeney_to
lead to the dismemberment of the. Turkish empire. His
by that dismemß6rmen t,
the neighbourhood
a
and endangered by her proximityto
object is to establish a third part of it under separate
sovereignty. Being weakened
France, not from England,
she would look necessarily; for
Russia, and Ole
tendency would be to place t
but necessarily and naturallyhterom
Sultan in a state
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ms
ukpi apbolret —a rniov at
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such weakness end danger as would cempel hiok for assistance from that power—..and we
all
Ili“no‘°v the price a weak power bas to pay to a strong
ono for its protection.—( Hear, hear, hear.) With
regard to the treaty of Unkiar Skelessi, the policy Of
her Aolf inducingaj6sty's GtohveerthmuesesitanhaGovernmeat to corns tos accomplished the ob-
ject
the understanding that it that treaty is Patted to in-
terfere with the' geneial arrangements of the - Four
Powers, it will give up the treaty of Unkiir Skelessi.
I regret that we have had any differences
with France, but our communications, since
then, with France have led us to the
strongest conviction that there is no foundation