The Sun.
London, England, 1815-02-24 00:00:00

SLAVE TRADE.

Mr. lioaNErt, before the House. went into a
Committee on-the Corn Laws, .wished to ask the
Right Hou.Gvntleman opposite a question on the
conduct of Government with respect to the Shiite
Trade. A publication had recently appeared, un-
der the authority of a person, who was an 'agent
of the African Society, in the Colony of- Sierra
Leone,' in which he stated, that of three persons
of the names of Brodie, Cooke, and Dunbar, con-
victed in that settlement of being concerned in car-
rying on the Slave Trade, and sentenced to trans-
portation ; tv:o of them, vii.—Cooke and Duo-
blr had had, or were about to have, their sen-
tence rt:mitted. lie wished to know, if it was

the it►tention of Government to interpose between
the law awl, persotrs convicted t,f so serious an
offence ? In asking this question, he thought it
right to state, that he put very little confidence
in the statement to which he had referred, or to
any other contained in the publication he had

Inn: ti'
1-1, ADDINGTON said, there was rot theslia -
(low of a 'foundation -for the assertiou, to which
the hon. and Learned Gentleman had alluded.—
The-individuals in question had been confined Qu
board the Hulks, where it was intended they
should remain till their sentence could be carried
into effect. In consequence of the representations
made of the ill health of the parties, which tact
Lad been established on the best authority, they
had for' a time been exemptel from the severe
labour which those who werethereconfined were
compelled to perform.. Petitions had since been
received from them., and :Ministers had been di.s
posed to attend to the prayer of them ;. but within
these few days difficulties had arisen' involving
certain legal points, which had made the Secretary
for the 'Home Departiiient 'think it his duty to
submit the case to the consideration of the Law
Officers of the Crown,•and no decision on it had
yet taken place.
Mr. tio.a.NEu was satisfied with the answer.
CORN LAWS.

Sir Wm. CPRTIS presented a Petition from Col-
chester, in,Es,ex, which as a great corn grow-
ing county, sigurd by upwards 01.50,00 persons,
taaoy of whOrn were farmers and landholders,
against thc proposed alteration of the Corn. Laws.
Ordered to lie on the table.
The then vtent into .a Ccitninittee ihe
Corn LaA6.
Mr. WALTER BURnELL supported tie licsolu-

. lw IriAliecttl 4,1 the
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Attilt•vs .tv (mid aldt: t SCR I ilt1!" COED a
cheaptn• rate hi the Pu 00e1 ty 1‘115(
tieing taken oti, I.)iit to his ?s;i
11a4 lot. that tax Out (If
ht"tr:, and ow.: vita of their rrolit..
that the change t:lnteitiotioed %vat: riiliy co%ettd
.byilie finitilords.• h,4(1-the honoiir et Prc-
se'l4ing .a Petition fron u, i ssex, only hi:
lotifliMeters: The meii.;-itre subitt.tteit to the
Coininittee, he insisted, mits hcectosAry
for ,the proteetioo_ of- tht agrictiltore of the
eolintry.

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Lord elocbftYNT stated, Oat tral one of thOse
‘vh-o very seldom addressed the House he wouhl
not detain -them by going into a detz•44., upon the
different topics Connected with this question, nor
in following the Hon. Gentletnan who moved the
amendment, throng!) that range of• :,tatement
which he produced to the House in a speech, in
his mind, more calculated to mislead the public
understanding, than anv speech he ever heard de=
livered in the .Mouse. 11 e (the No:le Lord,) had
toe honour of presen.ting a Petition- to the'll ouse,
signed by above. fire • hundred of the Most en-
lightened and' respqctable agricultttri.,•ts of the
eottot.' he ha-d-, the liom;tir to- represent, and he
would venture to say, no Petition more fully prov-
ing the Ii resent inefficacy of the‘Coro Laws ever
was presented to the House.- • In the course of
the few words he had to say, In; would take the
liberty of adverting it: that Petitifnt, and reacti'ug
one or two Resoktions-, feeling,•titat express:ng
the sentiimmts of his constituents in their own

expressiVe language, would hare mach greater
_weight with the CoMmittee than any thing he
could ()O'er himself. Ile thought it was unnl:ces-
sary for •.in to state to the Howie the rot anxiety
and interest teat occupied the public mho{ in Ire-
land upon this subject, for they must he aware- of
the great extent of agriculture that covers the
whole face of that country, nor did he assume too
much in attributing to that agriculture, those re-
solaces and energies which had eoahled Irelaad
so materially to contribute to the present Situa-
tion of affairs upon the Continent, and (0 the res-
toration of that peace. in Europe, which pow so
happily ixrvades throughout the world. Here the
•NoblZ: Lord adverted to borne of the resolutions
'of the Petition from the Ch,noty of Louth, proy-
ilit that, in three months of. Christmas last, by the
returns from London, of January 2, 1815, 258,812
quarters of foreign wheat were imported into Lon-
don, and only 350 of Irish ; and in the -same
period, 48,611 quarter; of foreign oats were im-
ported into London,, and only 2770 of Irish ; and
that, in the week after ending the 2d day of Ja-
nuary, 1815, :35,590 quarters of foreign wheat,
with 24,088 quarters bt foreign oats were import-
ed into London, and not a grain from Ireland.—
Surely, continued he, these are uncontradirtod
facts, which, whether looking to the present si-
tuation of the empire, or to its future resources,
call upon the Legislature for amendment ;- and
here he could not help noticing what fell from the
Hon. Member last night, who moved the amend-
ment, who, in the face Ofthat Assembly the face
of the country, and in the face of common sense,
ventured to compare the advantage of having our
resources within ourselves, and deriving our sub-
sistenee 'from our own soil, with the precarious
reliance of procuring our subsistence front a fo-
i-kw market which hti
,Trlta:l•pt~t-tDtsu~---
..cac n, (owe uctoost , and produce an unpa-
ralleled calamity,- end such, he though; might
the ca ,e- with this country,lf the House agreed to
the Avislies of the Hon. Gent (Mr. Baring) ; for
how could any one suppose that the British and
Irish farmer, who lro( great taxes and burdens
to bear, could cultivate his land, . and raise his
grain at the same .prices as the foreign far-
mer, who has none of these drawbacks to con-
tend with. With regard to Ireland, the Noble
Lord :thought, by what he had stated from the
Resolutions be had read, that the Hottse must
see the great alarm that prevailed in the agricsala
tural world there on this subject. He had re-
ceived a letter from an eminent agiieulturkt in
the county of Loath, who said sach was the dis-
may ronongSt them, that if the best farm in Ire--
. land was offered to hint for nothing, he being
obliged to till the land. under -existing prices, he
would not accept .'the boom. Surely, said the
Noble Lord, this state of things, requires the ia-
-terference of the -Legislature. Even: tlie Hon.
Gentleman (Mr. Baring) must, in hisiandid mo-
ment., see the injustice' that is done to the firm-
er ; lie must feel that the manufacturer of the
soil has as good a Tight to protection as any other
whatsoever. For no one could say that the time
would not again return, 'when England, forced-
into the contest, would not want those resources
within herself, of which -she would be deKived,
if by mawing the advice cif those on the oppo,
site-side, you would deny to the Limier that solid
and pervanent security which alone would .en-
able hint to preserve those resources within this
Country which experience has already shewn is so
necessary for the prosperity of the empire. 1--Te
should, under all circumstances, vote for the Re-
solutions of the Right Hon. Gentleman ; at the
same time he was by no means certain that the
Inaximum.ot 80s. proposed by hinr, was sufficient
to give that protection to the agriculturist, for
which he contended. But if' it was not found
efficacious, he trusted, ahe Government would'
again come forward, in that manly and praise-
worthy manner they had done upon this occasion,
and propose to the 'noose some other arrange-
ment which would afford a permanent anal satis-
factory 'Protection to • the manufacturer of the
soil.. The Noble Lord ‘concinded by trustiro,
that, however the 1-Ipuse legislated on the
ject, they would ever bear in their unit& how
nearly connected it- was with the 'dearest inte-:.
rests of Ireland:

Mr. FINLAY was in favour of the Resolutions,,
from a conviction they .would protect the agricul-
ture of the country, without operating to the in-
jury of the tnanufacturing interest. They ivere
about to establish a system under which Corn_couhl
not be 'above 80s. the quarter, though might
frequently be below that price. Ile lamented the
feeling which had been excited out of doors ,
thought it a vise tnei,sure to guard agaiust a sear-
city, to 'permit,,Corn to be werehoned under
bout! that it might be brought forth When wanted ;
did not wish a higher price. to be 'fixed than was
dcwanded by the necessity of the case, and

Pl'OVegli of tine 146ileiliplakeil
ing employment for a large portion of the popu-
lation of the country:
Sit' NEWPORT ctintended, the principles of
those. who were of Opinion that the agrieitledre Of
the country required no protection froth the law-,
were only fit for, an Utopian world.. • Without
protection it was ImposSibie our Corn pi'.(itverS
could enter into competition with those of other
countries who were not oppressed by a similar
weight Of taxatiOn. Ile set forth the bad policy
of making ourselves dependent on Prance, and
put it to the Committee what must hive been the
situation of this country if the ogriculturists, of
Ireland had not conic to her assistance, when she
could not eten at N. the qiiarter obtain a supply
from a foreign country. In opposition to 'the
statement of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Baring), he
-asserted, that in England the figriculturists did
live on his estate ; while in France, oil the contrary
it was proverbially commOn for the proprietor of
land not to•do so. It might in fact be said. this
was oitly done' by great proprietors of land,, when
exiled froin Court. He had been sorry to hea(r.
his Hon. Friend say, he believed there was a ma-
jority in the House resolved to press this measure
in its present state. This .was not the language
they ought to. hold, to teach the.people to look
up to the House of Commons as a
_place where
all measures would be dispassionately- discussed,
and where justice would be done. In 'no case-•
on:flit they to intlawe the preindiee4 of the peo-
ple, nor bend to them in the exercise of their
.duty. The manufactnring interest was protected
by the Legislature, awl he wished to
why the landed interest cinght not also to 'be
protected ? Of the populat!oh of the United
Kingdom, from eight to nine millions were sup-
ported by agriculture. Ireland' deserved that
her agriculture should be protected, as she had
supplied England with Corn when it' couldimt be
prochred elsewhere. In the years 1804; ii, and 6,
the Corn_exported. from Ireland to.thiseountry
amounted to 976,000 quarters. In the years
9, and 10, it amounted to I,800;000 quarters, be-
ing neatly doulde the quantity in the lapse of a
single year. In 1812, 13, and 14, the export had
increased to 2,170,000 quarters. He knew it
Would be said that Ireland sniliciently hinditted
by this exportation to Great Britain The bene-
fit, however, had been reciprocal. Precisely in
the , proportion of the demand made by 'Great
Britain upon Ireland for Corn, • had been the
demand made by Ireland upon Great, Britain
for Woollen Manufactures. bi the three periods
which he hail petitioned, the export of Woollens
from Great Britain to Ireland front 2,100,000-
to 2,300;,000, ai d lastly;. to 3.793,000 yards.—
It might be supposed, that, this increase in the
Irish demand for BritishmanufactureS, had arisen,
'from an increase in the gritish demand fin Irish
manufactures ; but the Fact was, that during the
very period to which he had shaded, the demand
for Irish linens on the part of Great Britain had
sensibly fallen off. Cengideritog that it was an es-
*sential object to the manufacturer as well as to
the agriculturist, that we should be kept indepen-
dent of the caprice or hostility Of •any Otlyr coun-
try, considering that the interests or the inanutac-
turer, and of the agrictAtinist, wet;e inseparably
connected ; considering that tine interests of Great
Britain and Ireland were inseparailly connected ;
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thought that if the twitintacturer were called upon
to niche sone,: sattetice: which he contended. Ise
was not, he was found, as a good citizen, cheer-
fully to make it.

Mr. FIAN.:UIN LF,WIS declared, that atter all
the au eittioo. which he had been able to bestow
on the subject, it appeared to hitn not only expe,
client but absoiutely necessary to afford some
tection to.the agriculture of the country front the
impending ruin ; although he knew, that on this
sic ;jeer, ha sentiments ditteted from those, of
individuals for vvhose judgment he enter-
tained the greatest respect. i\ltteli misrepresen-
tation had taken place In the course of the dis-
ctission as to the price of Corn' in France: By
authentic docinnetits, which had been laidliefore
the meeting (In this subject out of doors; it ap-
peared that tlae.price of Wheat at Paris was, :--)8s.
the quarter; and that, altlnfugh in some 'of the
provinces the price was 365. and 38s. the quarter,
.yet that the average price throughout France was
465. and riot 40s. as _had been erroneously assert.
ed. tlt ought to.be recollected, that the
tion was made at the-old rate of exchange, of 24
hivres to the pound, and a was unfair to fowiel.
such a calculation on a depreciated currency. The
fact was, that the ,price of Corn was..not always
regulated by foreign importation. Recently there
had been a greater tall than the
.importaticra.
which had really taken place would-warraut,spar-
ticularly in barley, the importation of wlticb had.
been very much diminished within the last year.-,
He conceived the real state of the countryol\;ring
the war, hail been the real cause of the present
depression: After the long closure of the Con-
tinent, farriers were now •at once. exposed to
the competition of all 'Eurpean markets, ood
the suddenness of that change, was the reasort.
that.. rendered the protection... of the Legisla-
ture necessary. Fie did .not wish for an -ex-
travagant protection to be given, so as to cause
great profits to be Made, and the price of Bread
to be raised, but merely for what would preterit.
the ruin of agriculture. Almost all: the witnesses
examined by the Committee had stated,that they
'considered 80 shillings a fair protection price, un-:
der the particular circumstances of .the times ;
but as those circumstances had changed, as im-
posts had been decreased, awl the Pmperty-Tax
removed, he thought that a lower sum would now
be sufficient. The price that would prevent:im-
portation was not that which woold.go into- the
farmer's pockets. Considering :;the cxncacc 'of
shipping, &c. incurred by farmers. in the North
to send their Corn to market, he thought the Non-
Importation price should he a little higher than
What they were to have a*,, the intrinsic value of
their grain. 'He:objected to the manner in which
the general' average of the price of Ciro was
teketi. The country was divided into twelve ma-
ritime disittkii, and the general aVerage•waSlnade:
from comparing their particular a venlge. tie had
hinisc!l- seen the return of one district, stating
jpo ,yorters to. have been sold for a strut speci-
fied, and yet that small quantity had influenced a
twelfth part of the general average in the same

t.40/initiiiii as '4666 qiiarieis. 66iii als„
triet. l..rc thtinght it ‘vas unfair that the riverage
e•-f small should thus influence the tvl"'lic.
This mode of taking the aver Age would'-be nearly
equal ti. a duty of 3 or 4s. - lie shoidd,.theretore,
prefer making the protection price, in t.ffder to
ohtain the object which all Most desire, tathert
7Gs: than SJs. The necessity (A...a protection isac
chiefly grown out of the alteration in our Cu"
rency-; as a new. alteration in that quarter ‘1.3:
to take pla-ce at no very distant' rriod, it, migl't
produce M new revulsion, and at the end of 0"
years, perhaps, it .woUld become necessary to alter
the provisions noW propozed, and the Nouse
would be bound to make that relative alteration

in the law, and lower the non-importatiOu prir(;
which it was now requisite should. be raised..
then took a view of the improved state of the Corll
Laws, from the middle:of the reigu•of Chetrles ~
to the present time. It, was then-p•ohibid "
purchase Corn to sell but now expoi'ts v;.2re

completely free.
Lord Pitoßy supported the Resolutions on. .113'
ground. .that they were in favour of the agrict'l7*-
rural interest, which affected every class of 30P
ciety. Unli►nited importation Would be the ruili

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ot . agricniture. .
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Air. CALCRAFT disputed 80411 C. Of the tonics'
which his HOD. Friend (Mi. Raring) lied intro-
(kited. He did not understand that itnint7WS tri;
!ite that was said to b; paid to the agrictilto"!,
interest, as he dot not conceive himself indebt"
to any class of his Majesty's SittijeClS for what he
received 111 ,eXchange for the produce of his bouts.
lie ;ilso contended Ilia: country geritlemttn lives"
at least one . half of the year on their bands and
in the middle of their. tenants. He would not .
admit that the subject was eittirely tinconnectea
with rents. Rent. w;ts- undoubtedly a componeut

part of the produce on %I-hie!' coneark; gentler:le:l. •
lived For a farm of 420 acres in Scodaud W:4O.
in evidence that the tenliit paid a'rent of 2,50q-
a-year,.; that•itS produce was estimated at 5-,o4J°(:'
oue-lia4f of which. consequently went to the haat.'
holder. Would•any one deny, that rent in
case did not affect the price of corn ? ' .Anatlier
Gentleman was surprised that the small quantitf
of Frent.:ll Corn imported during the year, eoola
have such an. effect on the price of grain,. • but • '
the. epality e.f the French Corn was so uiu sty
perior •to (Mrs, that in his neighbourhood
would not buy the latter unless they could, get
for almost nothing. He had asked farmers them-
selves what they would have gut for their whe.wg

if there, had ,heen no importation lima France,-
and, they hardly kitetr ; but they acknowled4c'l
that, 'Ott account o the. state of the harves4

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this year, it had proved a most salutary' supplY.,
Hethoii;ht thr. neither the Legislature, nor t 134.
Government of any cotuntry, should be permitted
to ioterfele in stypor:- of any branch f tradt:i
except on the principle that. their ioter!'teued
-would be for -the benefit- of the eointnna.;" t,
large. He had received the thanks of a2l hi*
ileighbonrs,-krnic:-s, as well as: oth'4;•!., for 61° •
part •wilia I.c heal taken in opposiog a
measure last year... The present, however, 1%,'3
,better timed, as the" distresses of. farmers cult;'::
vating only arable lands, were • really .g, r‘.:at.
bad also heeo discussed •with more- temper
candour but ..the information•or
ryas in possession Was not yet'
a new ()icier. or tniogs : peach was 1,"6
lust arrived, and scarcely com:pletely establishel
hut above all, the ,larmers were -,ecared•agaius;• •
if!,p(irt:itinn for three months to cotne, be shor:•••4,
have preterr.:d seeing the. operation. of pearl',
deCreaSed taxation, and the- reoio cal of the Fro'',-'
perty. Tax, not as it affected farmers in one p(Airt•
only, bat thr.ough every article in which it IntL,-;!
be felt before going into the question. • A delay of •
six or seven weeks to, ascertain Atte effect -of di
these . altcrations- on the price of• torn, wooil
have been highly beneficial before taking the st.e?
• which had been proposed to-night. • Etc was 60: •
far from wishing to inflame the public, howevef,
or. throw obstacles in the way of the discussion,
that he would •-take it at; it was. He had thot4l4
'at first that .a.teniporaryineasnrefrouid, be the
best ; ht.t•on further consideration, he.• had con- •
sidered that it Was a matter of perfect- inch:lt-Fence
that it should be made permanent. From his e%
.perienee of the House, he was well aware thst •
this permanent measure would no sooner be fotinsi
to-produce great public inconvenience, thin
would become temporary, for the rinse would-
hasten to put an end to its operation.. On
geound, he did not think lie should vote for the
amendment. As to the protection price, provid4.:4
the farmer should be supported, the lowr it•
should he, could only he matter of satisfaction. to •
the country.. -Farmers admitted that they had. --•
good times; lie.was.glad of it : but 111 the Hoit• •-
recollect.that those were times of the gi-eatt...st int.?
portation. He, did. not mean to assert that iott;
portation produced their prosperity, bat t&
sflow that it had not prevented it. Tbe peovu.sed.
80s. would- be an immense. rise from 655,. t ‘,7iatiiirt
be nearly equal -to 30 per cent, and that too
much when the qualityof the C9rn, was such pis
he had described. TO give that ease and sect/rill
which were so ardently called for,:the subsistence
of the people ought not to be raised above the
price. of labour ; otherwise. we must again 11:433
recourse to the expedient of paying half the ['rico
of labour cut of the Poor Rates. He was told no.
else could he done ? Were wages to ho
raised to. twenty or thirty shillings a w eek to SUP'
port the family of the--tabourer ? It er=as a•,settc3l
.chatWhekt would not rise to the full limits of tno
importation price. He :had, no doubt but .thii
year it would. It should not be forgotten nl,:iCt4
that to have the average at 80 shillings pr (inktr'
N.'r, the beSt Wheat must rise to,:100
least. Would it be fair . that: the publ:c should
pay 100 shillings, in trrder to give the. • farmers -
prOtectitig price ? The eV-Mei-ice was ail es- part°
' evidence.' They wished to tuake a case, and chIC •
bad made it.. Farmers were a C;liiet, prtidOnt
of people. , They .knew how to make. good bar:
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gains and to get good bills; but they were 77(4
wrong in that—,it was their trade, and they had 4 ,
right to do what would insure chew the .greatest
profits. Efe thought hoiwever, really
coo inuch, He apologised for not mentiooiri4
Ireland, by stating, that whenever the inteteo,
o.f country were mentioned, those of frelauq -
were included. He was aware' of her distressc-ii
but wa§ the Don,importation price to be as high fV);.

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thew nOt .grow corn -cheape.• i iff higher t4lsal.l 723. tlictielli fie •Istattl, not' ol'Pose , the subject, and pn the Bible manner in ewhich lie
eaie''saUr fanners.? 1.4.ey bad 110 land-tfIX., no poor lit at Bns.. , ,
, I. broaght it forward. He
:had it was a question
ti:,.beep "cve4ad,tcit the Properry'l'ax, attd therefore I._ Sir EGis-roN I.lity.ne;r.s considered the deOrt'se I, of atecessity—a halancehetween evils.. He, (Mr.
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.in..eivedanglit not to have as hightt protection sibu of agriculture would be as -iniorious to 'the I 1 torner) considered thc- sithject ►in exactly the
e:.rae cultivators of Eng- land. Ile conceived that manufacturer as to the farmer. VI ho would h"y i s.oce•liglito It was one of the ousteet. political
t conduct of the miller's, who only took their the nianu tatturers articles, it: the li, ;tiled intett•st ;. in..is iins, that unless in a case of necessity„ a free
c,eit.B.anlides to the Inspector-General, told always were not' able to purchase ? The depiessiod. of 1 trade is always the trueat [,this of a country. But
to a rtved
. to forget or lo Se their worst, had operat- ) agrieulture would be the diminutitm of the price 1 where was the oecessity in' this cage There was
ee,lo.garnst
,the farmers, otherwise the ports 'would of those articles. We know that agriculture has I mote made out. It Was a tenireiorary presaore. • 'l'lle
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6htabb 1 y to„ is
-•-•'e oven shut against importation many increased our population. Ask the manufacturer amotoit of importations from France had been .
*hes, ,s ago.. Ile considered that 725. or 9s. per himself what is to become of that tio•reaseif po- greatly exaggerated ; for if it had been said that
4:llstie'llie.f: woold
,be a sufficient praectitg Priee• pulation„ if agrictllttirc be depressed. Evea should we derived such immense eptantities of Corn front
iy ~an advance of seven shilline-s per quarter some inconveniencies threaten to iesult.from tine : the contory of our natural enemy, we should be
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all the advantages which the onost enepuragement of agricolture by keeping up a' I roineti if we depended on stiche a sappiye,
•Apire‘ me advocates of the Measure could antici- sufficient price for Corn, we ought.to run the:risk i was to be refused:, - r,i,, lie was quite inclined to
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.pcu ~ctiittrty his Irish Friends. If these he- • of less evils to avoid-so great an evil as the (lecrezise a;liow, it it could be proved that we depended on)otti
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could be so modified; with uttanimity of our population.
Peance aione for the supply ; ante he world make
'i,..,1 LiOuse, they woidd produce all tite intend- Mr. LOCKHART said, some Hou. Gentlemen the adtuissioo not flemi any peitry Collllllere.lll/
'Flirtg()° The ekperilllelit Wo,11(1 be tried-and the seamed to think that the capital employed lii pow. jealousy, bof from a and Silica! jealousy,
tesebogo'ven-* The distress of the farmers was not I lands' thrown out of cultivation, ndght be ettsily diet ire should not depend upon• F.rauce for otir •
ive,.e.'"•, Those twho only rented arable lands 1 transferred 40 some other more profitalde chaintel stistenance. .-Phe Honourable Geotleinan then
bilatt certainly in iiiifOrtunate circumstances ; but I of employment, but the capital iovested in land peopectled te, iicscaot ors the agricultural system
did Y larale hail lattJls of a mixed nafore, and' never could be got back at all. A dangerous ex.-
:of France, and deuied that the tens:tory' wa•
11,60111(4 suffer, or stiffer:ld but little, as sheep, penmen[ was proposed to be made on corpore vivo, in a high state of coltiyation. She was a,
lie 1► l'e()Ps, and fruit, had not failed like Corn• for, if such lands were thrown out of cultivation, conutry without a capital, which from her vast
and °t°4e(f upon this queation. as one of rent.' the effect would be to raise enormously the pi-ice extent, necessarily produced animmense, quantity
cessait not
houleaxation, and the grOund on which he 1 of the produce ol: rich lands, which would have of Corn, but it vtrs elf a very itiferior kid. The
oppose. it was, thate it , was ne- .to bear all the burthen of taxation. There was-• of of the clommittee was to render the prices,
[list the landed interest should /be supported,. no Class of his Majesty's subjects not interested in of grain steady ; yet 'it would be seen, that at no
bette6au '.
other 'classes should ultimately he
.the ineOnle arising from land, and in sapportin4 period ►kid they fluctuated so much as i.vithin the
401/ oi_td., Tlitittgli living ►uppn rents himself, the interests of agrictilture, which conic' only, fie . last ten months. If the prier of provisions was
atilions..tit telt
bee ,11.1.1 g his bread to the tanners) he should a done by • affording it protection under circum- permanently rals'ed, the price of labour thust fol-
from his duty. He heard it said ' stances like the present,
low it ; anii yet we. are about, in the same bi•caoh,
Is„eet the dothlie; that the House was too . Lord CogeToN said, that as the law HOW stalk's to Intatiply taKeS 041 manufactures. ;.tinl inert:toe,
fort, but This i'llsjection had revel' lasts made be- there Was not sittliaie.itt encouragement to the the price of provisions. The effect of such 'asyse,
sys--
rest. ufit he ti:ttught that there were other fists-
_agriculturist. There should, at least, be a draw- tea; would be more seriously tel by labourers in
asys s"lY:eiently ptiwerful in Parliameot, to check back 'on exportation of corn equal to the ex pence hosbandry, than by.any other class, for they at-
. to.oe4tfeitpt il hich the latolecrinterest nnolit !mike of grolying it. If it. was a disadvantage to en- •
rady, from a too general and odious practice, re-
klrfaeulta,i. .111. undu:c islfluenee• .• _He reconniteuded l• eottrage the manufactures of . other countries, it chivee a part 0( they•eivard for their benftiiltil labours
kr
~ii",!ty to the 111 The candour and teine ; was exceedingly impolitic to encourige their ugri- out of the Poor hates ; a practice which. could,pot
04,:v' ire which the discussiims kid been carried i colture, But it we let our agriculture go to decay' too soon .be •tit. an end to. •For tins practice
t „(iift ould du
.gseat
credit to Parliament, and .great I, aud that other countries encouraged their Maritl- the Ifarmers, are answerable; because,. when it had
,?u, il to the couinunity. Stionld the measure he' I factures as much as we did:, what would we do in , been proposed to them to raise the W:iges of their
etie'YoeonSidered and progressively introdoced, its 1. case of a bad harvest ? .
labourers, they s4id; " No, we woutsr rather pay
Iver: WOillil .be . more satisfactory. 'I. be people 1V1r...1. P. GRANT congratulated the Committee
..their' out of the roots' _Rates, than allow a rise
aluitti:°C igao'rant pt. the distresses of the farmers, • on the support which the Resolutions. had !net of wages which foie:it/not bee reduced a„ win." tend
tetatil. their opinion had lately ,indergone a great al- 1 from some ;At embers Whom he did-not conceive this remark hail been made by the very same per-
begoo°?'
..-Vhe tradesmen in country towns had 1 fayourahle to them, and on the change of opinion sons who were at that time outbidding one ,an-
tu,s__ L° feel, that sitiee farmers'had• less money ~ on the subject which he pereteived in others. He, other in high prices fitrlettses. (blear,. hear !)
to irjo.d., they had less tc; receive. This led them I had listenui with-the greatest attention to tilt ar- Such a monstrous anomaly in our system of poli-
l)etteeluire in the canto of the farmers' want of 1 guments of the lion. Member who Moved tile tie economy was unaccotinttilile ; and it wa§ the
tti. theta.
gratited alld to Wish that.. .sonte of
should be amendinent, and no one of them did he *find hot, more to be reprehended, as it in fact reduced the
cit (j,i,*1).... He concluded by recOmmendioa• ' 1 •thing 1-Iprinciple.The House free laboorer to a species of bondage And villany.
b , touted on any ;
Ito,. .•‘• iteaulutions should be Modified as .he had ' was told' in one place, that the manufacturers' This, then was a principal reason why Corn ought
ono! •
led.
SitN.
. . %vault!. be affected by a rise in the price of bread ' to he rendered chetip by all possible means. The price
*Nit 1 • COLF'THURST 1110 U (:;11t Ireland. did not " . Of the necessaries of life Must ewer as an element
and corn, and that we world • lic cut .out or tad ,
.. .
foreign markets through that rise. In another into, and bear ,a very .larg.e proportion of the ex-
he.,o less' but rsore protectiOn than bierand. if
TO
1.4-.4crired lite effect.of the measure' would be - plaeu, they were told that it would be highly ad- [)races of our general politica! econtany. But
it, butlse tlie
vantageous to draw provisions from foreign cdtme ' the alliver is, " Ifow will !eon pay
_the :iiviciends:
Price ui bread he would not support
t. e ti,
thou.;,,„,i, , , ..,, it 1 " tries, in -order. to expael manufactures. But he oil theNtttioual Debt, miless yon keep the price
It leentedi T. C Colltlaiy is Dual he t tt-: case.
would show, before. he sat down, bow fallacious. of the necessaries of the hiteh True it •is tlott
ke. le Y,oattected to We arnencli-nent. "
were.both these assertions. On no part of political ' large stuns of money have been lately raised, and
the t 11(rnaou , 1 lat ->d h House on. was I 1
coner, tu. e t e
coiner - •
history tnePe.strch clear and preckeinformation yoo will have to pay a larr,,,crsum for the interest.
ict°")(l.uctera sliest which the diScussion hail been as on the price of Corn ; and this was the inference .if the valor of money is restored to its usual level.
(iOl- eeedeci.
.1-len he heard the cluarter troit which fie.dreisetrom it—the restraining thelatp.ntation But the man thho is hardy ettougiCto adroit th tt
l'iie, cLinittee,.3
_fe 'was afraid the whole weight of
,0.1. Corn, and giving a monopoly of .the home money.ought be kept in an artificial •or chpr,!-.
0.01 Ow b,l'i..tt,pould hays been. thrown unfair( market to the gro Ner is the oily way of giving crated suite, admits that a permanent robbery and
f. 02 • lent;(ienti but the condoct of the Itight sufficient eticomo4ment to agriculture. ..He then • fraud is committing ,upon alarge proportion of
sere' 'rani, -.,,,,\V, whom it had been brought went into a fosrurv,of.tip. prices of:Corn from the the per credit orz.:, whose circumstiinces in life
-,,llVii . '''
I Vs of
ao.i.`. teed 11110 that he had really the in- • beginuitig of therc:ign.of JaPkT2S thC.Fir St to 1 CS::,' ' iti'lre been alternately risen or stitek by sot:hope-
et".o.serrete.,,,ls tetiltnre at heart. After some further . e,„I ,hires) that it was cornitantly rising ': after iations. He would (net efore say to the Commit-
fd uteeti-oe :r.,•&[-e. =was owererstottdeto WWI the • 1:" to ' 1* WIIICO toe. isestoration, it was sink in, i•tot withs tee, that it theyivere determined to nnike a per •
A re;:bt lee to be reduced to 7.25.
to
-standing the depreciation- of ..money. From the mattent advai•rce on the price of the necessaries of
ttad e 'so : er, whose name could- not be heard, Restoration to tne Accession of his resent Ma- . liter that the man ivllo could tranquily Ironton
si
...1 Elc equally inaudible observations. jesty it stood:still. To what was this difference - the resulis of their operations must havestronr
6Q
saris
':()ftiq STEwslur stated, that Ireland wool(' in those different periods to be attrihu-ed
.1- It was nerves than he had. The lion. Gentleman con-
Itisd:it'Stied and grateful for any regulation the to be attributei 1
to the difference. of the laws re- eluded with' adverting to the price of-80s. Which
tetteQuo "of Parliament iyoulel enact for !rel. pro- specting it. The price of any thing depends 'on had been recommended, and declared his conwic-
)ll. He then took a vier vt of,the situatiou of the tirdportion- of th.e demand and supply. .Now. don that such aprice was by uo me ens necessary
N(jUI e. . Referriti,
to
the immediate
.sahject- he a piestion is whether preventing importation does tO remunerate time far ,a,er.
Cri;o,.t.l,lat. If by -agriculture we 'could Wake at) or does. not diminish the supply. If. preventing Alr. HusKossos said it was- iinpossible for him
%I, i land support three persons then we trehl 'I irnportation be giving capital a less beneficial ern- togive, a, silent vote upon a•topie of such general
th I)()Pulation.: if two, we doubli•ii it. W
es
.‘• e'
plo' ymetlt is growing. corn, it-of course dimitlishes intel est.. It.w;is a complicated soh:feet, erithi•eiC+.
).;e procure au tutgrnertation.of e might
ten millionS of the 'supply.; but it it be giving, it a•-m Ore beiteli- •'big. not , only the general orinciples of political
i
Ille'ire_ts, anti what itibjecis ? rneo not bent nudes vial etnpioyinent, it increases the. supply. NOW, cconoiny ;but diverging into [Ilenuthe or pimrs'
ar4l
Iles sceptre of a tyrant, and react to plunder as.prevetaing the importation of coru isafuld have l'ides, tile•prices of pt•ovisions Wages of la-
eate:;evastate at. bis cot-In-nand
..; but putrioi.3., . the effect of raising the price of it, it consequently hoetr, And every thineethat. could engttge the at-
Nei,,iti
ready their own soii,nrider tIA. tree of liberty, would give the capital employed in it more belie- tendon ofStatesmen. fie afituiped !teat there Was
effdy to die insuPpor of their Constitution, liciat employment, and would therfore •iurrease a great difference ~.)1: opittion upon the subject ;
,tago
a:-"rs, and . their independence. To distils[- . the supply. Another view we should. take of. this ind., if he were not convinced:that lie shotild be
I'lle eCrietiltureavas to discourage pootdetion. - subject was, Whether it would not ,be 'worth • elassed amongst those perAons who could not be
ltetY hail -fallen down together. In 'looking to while to this country to sacrifice a little Wealth
.'supposed to act witii bras, he. should feel great
[lust it s 1 ;
rout(' be seen,' that since the. prohibi- to rease lite production of corn.. Dr. Adam diffidence in approdehing it atall. The Right Ho.
10th 13f t.IIQ e-pore
Of her wOollens, by the
.
Salith cease
an authority which he imagined few• _Gentleman then entered upon an elaborate inves-
' ar ruments and .calculations ad
Ikei,4ll.l,ict i Ith of King, William, try which ship wo'ild hear-without respect, and he says there tigatiOn of the . e
~ -
''Ril erri,_,'!
_were made liable to seizure, Ireland
o
are some cases in which it is wise to do so.— (limed by the different Speakers on the preceding,
11griti ,YLCI
.'at the lioint of payittg seer_ .trillions to He mentions. as one inatance. the Navigatioo and . the present eveoings, partirmarly those
!aiod '" tor_lier woollen nianufasettires. But this Lawtrs. ' Now, if it be wise •to • sacrifice ',wealth ..of Air. Whitbread and Mr. Baring.. He com-
osen not. continue to be the ease ' unk•ss by ells- for security, lie (Mr. Crant) .thinks it .must be piiniented Mr. IVllithread, for his very Its_
Z;+ l'O gra-iit she should ol;tailt the, means equally wise to sacrifice wealth to secure. food,— tninots and .entertainino• iilustrations, but con-
:.l
. .
sere, 4Z. r., enutog
the-
.purejta.ses., Aft.er -entering .. ~ .
We could not depend on I:cc 1c adein Corn for a ' tended that lie Gad misconceived t te s
I übject alto-
at ,
~.eliteo, . ie- state ol Ireland, and anticline- to coustant supply, then how could tie seines such gether. He denied the in: of tile report,
".tie, s'...ttloir, to America, he enneltided b b F,uppl.y, but by. raising it at home ? Tne Hoo. to which the llon. Gentleman had alluded ; and
A g the n • , y sup- ,
.ste *,e3olutions. Member then. went to prove that there-was not- a observed that the difference of tire..evidenee.con-
Pe tl•I' Me:tilts - '.l I ~
. . . ,
, . • single article of nianufacture - that was Mat pro-' rained in it, respecting ,the. price which ought to
o,t_t, at eee(.ll stau , timt it was a general"princi-
ntected more than agriculture would be, even by be fixed,-was merely a mateer of•opinioit, and
teikito4in'..%le c lon inf tae price of Corn was a re_ tested
price of the Resolutions. The lotvest, lie ought only to be taken .for as mach as it Was
ete'llstlii....rater price. o 4 . oor also. The labourer. said,. was 59 .per .cent. in raloi-ent. He enn- worth. . Ile thought it preposterous to consider
'i'i the"f met• therefore deceived thenielves
‘,,eespee Y• were so: desirous of low!iterated some of those. articles and 'the duties . that the landed interest neglected agriculture to
•„.-
price Li -id.
• •
4'6, 33'"f 'Corn • 1
at),. ad ee,. •, it as c 1 eapness of labour. It ,
1 .1 a .
on importation. 'TI Lie duty on woollen cloth come and live in the.ea capita
1 • s•haci -.Re!) lost-
waS • 1 00' per cent., on cotton 85, on glass 1 14. nuared, unless their duty compelled them so to
h. teir Isterire.:9.llcy_tyo depend on foreign nations for on plate 1112, on heacis 591. 7s. fid. Those tweet do ; and he observed, that this idea was so pre-'
ki., tbiii.iti'l II e were hitherto able to maintain but a few articles, just by way -of stopple. . Here posterous that it was unworthy of serious re-
t;
a, ne supert . But r'er
the "rays ,i 1 • Y* •,'e we sure °1 then, was aetlot amounting to an- absolute trill- filiation. He denied that cheap bread could be
it, est • a)e to preserve teat -
-4k.t, loutd k . „ilipeztolity ?
''' ..bition on those articles ; and why, shoilid not so -.acquired by importations, and contended that the
olir 8 hied
t._, to it, and that those couutries
pill. aosist. ‘e have been,in the habit of drawing essential a • branch as agriculture, a branch on whole qoestion hinged On this point—,either the
it et, tence should be tinder .the contionl of which t ;Teo( s
1 . -' 1- out subsistence, be protected as Powers of the Continent couldwithhold theirs
.
ji;11 4'37-, -wh 4 well as what was so much less indispetisable ?' he plies of Coen, or they could not ; and if it as
)1, ere,. . at would be our -Conclitiiiit ? - 1-1..
1-- u(teti ) 4 - ng price for Corn:tv el 'be • • thought that• tigrientture was at least beingwortlP Droved that thew could, it became iniperiously.ne-
lifat Of th.e
roc. r 0, ~ an in- put in the sante Condition with other branches of cessary for us .to make ourselves independent of
those articles which the ma- 1
~,,5441t"l'ing elia's LI)
' Wealth'. He would make.one observation 'on the -them. The real object of the measure teas to
th fa. seS have to dispose of, Encou-
i usee-of words, •hy which many persons are misled. .afford corn. at as fow a price Os possible, either by
tell th iri-
1" "-c'tild be fertilisirig the so"; I The lone-gro'wer of. corer is accused of desiring botne`groWth, Or foreign supply. -.But the' retro-
-11,11,!itli of e.oiPeopulation, and multiplying tee,[
' rl• 1 . d I •-1 1 ' ae'ri-
a *monopoly of the home-market. But theirs grade Course. of bath. hit,i, Ain an 'clam .in , ,
,si t th_ „t 1 country. He therefore would watild•be no inottopttly at all. A monopoly is a - citlture was notorious and he was dioposed to think
1:.
twl Li so utions.
-, I r
Combination of persons who can raise the price of that the renedy. for encoui tine it hail been too
leti Ltoom f'.-.
tyt‘4l 0„ ti: \-4.ltrris said; that as far as re- their commodity at pleasure. The only mouopoly long withheld, and that. we should not have been so
1+ ii-'Prote-6--ffeiitt'Portation of Corn was neces-1 the home-grower of corn asl:s, is not to be inter-' dilatory in affording- tile necessary relief. Re-
Ril !or
and ... toe gr,,,,....,
et lie would go with all 1 fired with by foreigners; who are 'not• bhrthened .specting the insinuations about a determioation to
.1,,. [le e,...`),"1 ; but, that 41.. a quarter was too --' in the same way as, lie is. The lion. Member . keep up the price of rents, and, sending the la-
-11,,i1/: as it s%""I be sorry to seemly alteration in I. concluded by saying, that he thought $-.4.)e,. would ' bottlers to obtain part of their subsistence- from
11y.l'ell tie---c"°o at present, t heprotecting price Ibe a fair protecting price, and that the Resola- I the palish rates ;he contended that it was fl sort
c' tee . "hceiwed was sufficient' -1 ' '.l The lions should have his tr.ost .warm suppOrt.
y lie I.
Of bbei-11p011 the opulent landholders and farmers,
'tee to .
itn 4b. . "S, Willt WOald be a sutlic-ieut . Mr. flouwea did not tnearrto foilow:Geutlemen who-had hcen unwot•thily reviled advised -the
e i.t, 1 ?., price . '
,114,6 lie . ' what a-fair remunerttion to the lin their calculations, for be considered this noes. Gentlemeti who had thus aspersed thetn, to visit
'is ioyti ' re were bur few, even of those ex- I .tioit to,be argued on a broad nriticiple. He cont. their estates, and then would they sue what may be
ti, tl'h., $e c „ .
mt4,llkill 4. 4. eecalmittee, .whO thought it should I -plimented the Right ielououralde Gentleman (Mr. done by' inclustrioui and scientific example, aided
'I be'et.,,ll.l• s. t bere tvere many who th.neght, It Robinson) who had litt•oduced the, Resolutions, by large capital. On the whole, he wohld state-
(I`-'• 11••• • Ile would be sorry to see • oil the very stateszlan-like view be had taken of it as his opinion, thEat looking at the question with
IL. .

•
.
reference only. to the..pernnmnent comfort of the
people, and the, best politic,d interests 'of the.
country, some sacrifices, not of e:n inco!Htler-
able narunre, .wore necessary and.iudispvnsable•on
the part of the country, in order to make itself
permanently and hahitnally independent of the
Continent in obtaining suppliels,of the necessaries'
of life.
,The Right Hon. Gentleman then t:on-
timied his demonstrations, that We could, liV:TI;e:
encouragement of our Own agriculture in,England
and coMpletely effect this desirible.pur-.
pose. The Hon. cientlernito contended that rho
price of labour was much affected by the price of
corn, though it was not Iv holly regulated by it.—
This was shown by accouuts✓which he llad :re--
teived front various parts of the empire i•ind par-
ticularly/from Scotia-Lc!, where it was proved th,t
less corn was no.w consumed at -its present low
price by the labourer, tbanhe formerly caitsseied".
when it was much dearer,because then,his wages
were higher in pronation than they. Were now.
Under all the circumstances of the case, with all
the improvements made ill our agriculture, ihe
Committee was caileti upon by. the. Hon. Gentle-.
man (Mr. Baring) to agree to t Resolution, Which
leas to carry us back to our ancient state. Of
such a proposition he could not approve: They •
•were to 'consider not the jltlel'eSt of the far-
mer, not the interest of the individuals.depen-
dant on them,' not the interest of the land-
lord, not the interest of the . manufacturer, but.l,.
.what was the interest of all. tic spoke at some
length or, the imnportance of the improv-n-ets
which had
.been wade- in agriculture, and cousi-
tiered the retnarkS which had been made on the
farmers' present mode of living were invidious.
He did not think it ought to be urged as a re...„
roach that lie did not consider ale as a luxury,
and even sometimes indulged himself with a Gutty
of wine ; nor yet, iii his opinion, did they deset ve
to be called to an account,.if they did not dine at
twelve or one o'clock in the day, as their fore-
fathers formerly did. Ile combated the state-. .
ments made by t`ie Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Baring),.
and the inferences. lie had drawn from the
prices of corn at different periods..to which he had.
.referred. Having stated his reasons for wishing • a protecting price of 80s. to be fixed for the sup-
port of 911 r agriculture, he thought it unnecessary
to say any thing on the subject of the Hun. Gen- tleman's amendment. He repeated the 'Committee teas not to consider what, was .the interest of army
partieuitar class of the community, hut ‘vhat would
benefit the country at large. On behalf of the
whole country ; on behalf or England, and on be- •'
half of feel inrl, anti in*- behalf Of tine as much 'as •
•the other, in
',behalf of, the :whole poptdation-:of
both, he considered it to be his duty to support
the Resolutions of his Right lion. Friend.
Mr.:Rose and Mr. fluskis.son plained. •; • Mr. BARlNG'then stated, that it, was nOt.his-
tendon to divide the Commitlee on imis amend- .• •
ment.• He .wished to vindicate binmSelf, hOwever,: • from -some misrepresentatiOn. (hero. the armours
of,question interrupted the Hon. M'ember.), .
Mr. Baring's amendment" for a time be„.,
limited" was then put, and negatiVed Without Ek. .• division.
The Original question_ being -then. put', Sir-Mt.
cose and moved as an amendment the,
insertion of the words " 76 insteado
" 80 shillin(ts."
•
• Mr. F. LEWIS thought it was desirable -to
what was to be done in the future calculation 'of .
averages. •
A long conversation then ensued on the sub-
ject of the averages, in which •it was :allowed by
the CHANCELLOR of the ExcHEQuER, Mr.- Hus-.
KISSON, and Mr. RosrsisoN that the greatest dif,
heultics, existed, and that it was almost impos-
sible to find their way out'of diem. • -
Mr. FRANKLAND LEWIS 'thought time
ought to he settled before,the Re.,oltitions passed,
in 'which he was supported by Mr. Baring, Mr,
Whitbread, Mr. hose, Mr. Win. Smith; and seve-
ral others..
At length Mr: BARING MOM!, that the Chair-
man report progress, and ask leave to sit ;
on which the gallery was cleared, but no diviSion -
took place. Strangers .were not again admitted,
hut we understood, after being es:chided near au
hour, that the qoestion of adjoin-inner-it was dis-
posed of without a diVision, and the debate
tinned Oil a new question, nerved by Sir M.' W.
RIDLEY, that iummtead of, 80s-the price of 76-s.
should be inserted : in the, course of which 1,111;:i:'
ILtatistG moved another Amendment, that it should '
be fixed at 72s.—A division-then took place---- •
For the price of ails .
For that of 725.;
Majority. . ....
The Resolutions were then agreed to, and the
House, at Four o'clock, adjourned.

'• KING JOAC HIM andthe PR INCE:SS of WA LES
NAPLES, PEE. 10.--NytWitilStaipilith!e dis-
turbed state of our public affairs,.Kibg Joachim's
establishment is stippiirted in the highest 'splen-•
dour : his household is superbly habited.after the
intnish costume, viz. a short scarlet cloak richly.
I embroidered with gold, a doublet and hose of the
same kind; roses in the shoes, and the 'Whole sur-
mounted by a cap and plume Of ostrich feathers.-
- The PriitceSs of Wales, who ;is still here, has
adopted this costume so strictly, that even her
physician, Dr. Holland, has been obliged to appear
in it, though not a little against his'Owiiinclimition.
Sir Gell, however, niOunted this new'uniforni
without hesitation; The femaleestalishment ofheo
Royal Highness at. this. time' consists oply of Lady
Charlotte Lindsay and Lady-Elizabeth Forbes ;-
the Ladies Glenberyie and. charlotte.Campbcll,
being On an excursion to Nice.
.Last night' het-
Royal Highness appeared -a the the Opera,:and
nourednKing Joachim by her presence in his state
box, between whom sat a little dece of her ROyal
Highness, fancifully dressed in a Spanish habit.
POSTING AT 1.5 D. PER .11ILE.---The Nobility and
Gentry travelling, post the great,NOrth Road, are
respectfully informed, that b going by the Ware'
and Huntington road, instead of that by Barnet •
and Stevenage, they will save per mile ott
each pair of hor3es,RS the posting is redneed to
15d. per mile bra that road at the followiAg Inns,
viz. Four Swans,Walt ham-cross ; Saracen's Head; •--
Ware; Feathers, Wades Milli Red Lion, Roy-
ston ; Hardwieke Arnie, Arrington ; Crown, Caxl.
ton ; Fountain, Huntingdon and Angel, at,
Stilton.