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I wanted to bring them back from America, and he thought
thif fee s''• • • • • ihe • . .e.,01,1 ie es, T.; Id .1 ft-t'
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object which he had in view, for he was quite sure that they.
would never get gocd men into the service unless they paid
them better than they did at pi e3ent.
' Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT thought that if the Secretary
to the Admiralty would look into the matter he would fled
that, with the exception of a few instances, the pay of the sea-
men in the navy was not lower than that of men in the mer-
chant service, and that, considering the low price at which
e
slops were supplied, and all the other advantages, that at
end of a certain period the seamen in the navy would
be 'n the possee=ier of more hard mensy
any one would obtain from the merchant service.
There was one thing that he thought was not prudent in the
statement of the Right Hon: Gentleman, and that was the pro-
position to reduce the estimate for the victualling department
of the navy below the ratio of former years. Ile proposed .
take five per cent. from the estimates of this department of tle.
navy. If he would take the highest point last year, he would
find it was absolutely necessary to take the estimates for _a
higher number of men than hose they absolutely
required at the time, arid in the present year especially
it seemed to he a matter of indispensable prudence. Many
causes might arise for extending the number of men, but
was impossible for the Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign
Affairs to see precisely what number of men he would require.
If they would take the experience of the Jail few years, and
consider the various wants of the empire, the extent of eve
colonial possessions, and all the various requisitions that bare
been made upon the Admiralty, he would see that in this e
de-
partment at least it was not prudent to reduce the eVnot
'',
mates. With respect to the dockyards, he would
enter into any detail, but he understood that promotions were
to take place on the recommendation of the officers in the
dockyards.
Mr. WARD expressed his dissent. Such was not exactly
the case.
Mr. S. HERBERT had had some considerable experiences
and he believed that it would be dangerous to trust suliPlY to
the recommendation of the officers in the dockyards. liree
officers enjoyed a position of great local importance, and they
would recommend any man either because he was a Whig er&
Tory. They had greater faith in Lord Auckland so long its be
continued at the Admiralty than in any other individual.
The only plan to render such a system available would be t°
take the recommendations of the highest officers in the
several establishments.
Mr. WARD said there was to be a chain of recoro•
mendations, beginning with the superintendent.
Mr. J. O'CONNELL said that he observed there wag
recommendation in the estimates for the expenditure
of 600,0001. on the coast of Ireland ; he wished it had been
more, for he felt assured nothing would tend more to promote
the interests of his country than the establishment of large
naval arsenals on the coast.
Mr. BARING was glad to understand what was the in"
tention of Government, and not the less so because it inti-
mated a desire on their parts to maintain the whole of the
public service in a full state of efficiency. The House had
not only given its sanction to this policy, but it bad &boo'
lutely forced it upon the Government ; at the same One
he must add a hope that this endeavour to keep up force
and efficiency would not be confined to one department
only. Still he hail listened with great attention to the able
statement of his Bight Hon. Friend, and was rejoiced to find that
he hail devoted so much time and attention to the important
subject of keeping up the national defences, and he must be al-
lowed to express a hope that Government would continue in
the course they had so ably begun. With regard to the subject
of promotion, he, with the Honourable Member for
Dorsetshire, trusted the Government would receive with
caution recommendations from the officers of the dockyansi!'
In any promotions they intended to make, they ought rather to
trust to the discretion and judgment of the Admiralty. than the
prejudiced recommendation of dockyard officials. He did not
mean to insinuate that there was anything like jobbing in t,
dockyards, but still he was glad to he.ar the Right Hon. Gentle**o
man the Secretary for the Admiralty was determined to ser
port a system of promotion founded upon merit.—(Hear'
hear.) Perhaps he would have some difficulty in Will
out so laudable a design, but he trusted that that prospect vonn,..
not deter him from carrying his praiseworthy object into cif
With regard to excess in the vote, it must be borne in mind
that it was to meet the deficiencies of the past two years, an
therefore it ought not to be objected to. The navy estimate,
were not singular in these deficiencies, for they applied almost to
every branch of the service, and he, for one, was rejoiced this
system was about to receive a deathblow.—( Hear, hear.)
rt
Ceptain BAINBRIDGE made a few remarks, the purPe
of which were inaudible in the gallery.
Mr. GOULBURN explained that the excess of the exPen
diture over the estimates in the year 1845 arose from the desire
on the part of the Government, to carry out the reeominent:t;
th ins of the Commissioners appointed to inquire into the stn
of the defences of the country.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the statements made by the
Hon. Member the late Chancellor of the Exchequer, as to the
cause of the expenditure. was perfectly satisfactory. He rje:t
memb red, in the year 1840, that the Government thought
proper to go beyond the estimates after the prorogation of par;
liament, but upon the re-assembling of the House a vete:th
passed upon the subject, indemnifying the Governmeno ,to
respect to the present expenditure of the navy, be had statee,
the Noble Lore at the head of the Admiralty ( Lord Auckland)
that whatever sum might be voted, it would be necessary
ensure a proper expend,ture it the sums. He did not thins;
when it was considered, what strides steam navigation W,_
the
e_
taking, and the immense sums expended by France, thatt
House could justly entertain any opinion on the subject °
reduction of the expenses of the navy. It was the duty of t
It
executive to provide agaiest the risk of any emergenef.
•
was not to be supposed that because this country once qe-
sessed a powerful marine, that therefore it should sow
content and stand still. With respect to the abuse of rating
ite
in the dock-yards, measures would be taken by the Admires:.
to prevent as much as possible the recurrence of the
abase
An eminent and gallant officer, who was at present out °:.,; fig
country, had stated that the labour of those persons, ha l'"-of
political influence, was much more inefficient than the Dot
hired workman, who held no such influence. He ister •jend
prepared to say that the scheme of his Right Hon.
would be in every respect successful, brat as they y,wouldA
quire to report to the House next session, the Hon. esenoe'
man opposite would have an opportunity of suggesting some
more effectual system for effecting these desirable improve-
ments.
Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT said that many of the appoint.
ments which the late Government Lad made, were to individualv
who held not the same views with the Admiralty. If the
Right Hon. the Secretary of the Admiralty wished to aecertain
the con ectnese of every appointment, he would find that his
time would be too limited for that purpose.
The vote was then agreed to. • of
The sum of 1,325,820/. was then voted for the salaries
seamen and marines, and another vote of 635,452/. for the
victualling department was also granted.
ported
On the motion of Mr. HUME, the Chairman ter' on
progress, and the Committee obtained leave to sit again -
Monday.
The House then resumed.
Captain PECHELL moved for certain returns connected
with the operation of the Poor Removal Act of last session.
Agreed to.
THE DESTITUTE RELIEF SUPERVISION BILL
FOR IRELAND.
On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL, this Bill was read
first time, and ordered to be read a second time this dal
se'nnight.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned.

PETITIONS ON PRIVATE BILLS" HOUSE OF COMMONS.
(Room 22, before Mr. Examiner SMITH[.)
OPPOSE D .
LEEDS, DEWSBR UY, ANDLIST MANCHESTER RAIL,
WAY (OSSETT BRANCH AND DEWSBURY MORELY STATIONS).
Opposition withdrawn, and standing orders complied Wits.
KILMARNOCK AND AYR DIRECT RAILW ,r 0
(RAILWAY FROM KILMARNOCK TO AYR, WI
BRA NCH TO THE HARBOUR OF AYR). of
This petition was resumed. It occupied the whole
the day.
(Room 23, before Mr. Examiner MAY.)
OPPOSED LIST.
SOUTH DEVON RAILWAY EXTENSION AND
AMENDMENT.
This case was closed to-day. Standing orders not com-
plied with.
EDINBURGH AND GLASGOW RAILWAY (AM.—*
MENT OF ACTS.)
In this case the standing orders were complied with. ,Ay
GREAT SOUTHERN AND WESTERN KAILV‘ ‘'
„.,
EXTENSION (PORTARLINGTON TO TULLAMORr")
Standing orders complied with.
t
Birmingham and Oxford Junction, and Birmingham. Iv., we d
hampton, and Dudley Railways Amalgamation (Pr°P,7„en,
Amalgamation of the Birmingham and Oxford Jun'
and Birmingham, Wolverhampton, and Dudley Railway
o
Companies, with power of transfer to or Amalgamation
with the Great Western Railway Company).
Standing orders complied with.
Adjourned till to-morrow (this day).

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On Feb. 21, at Devonport, the lady of Captain F. J. Islac
kei
Fusiliers, of a daughter, stillborn.
On Fob. 21, the lady of teorge French, Esq., of Lincoln's Inn, 14:-
rister-at-law, of a son.
On Feb. 24, at Long Dillon, the lady of Charles Corkrfin, 1'44
of a son.
On Feb. 25, at Hampstead, Mrs. Thomas Butcher, of a son. ,„,,,
On Fob. 26, in Gosw,ll-street, the lady of Charles Gordon, J"
Esq., of a daughter.

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On Feb. 23, at Trinity Church, ARRIED
Regent's-park, Captain
Crea,gh, t, Charlotte Jane Minebin, daughter ofJohn Minclgn.
her Britannic Majesty's Consul at Fayal.
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On Feb. 24, Albert Walker, son of It. Bell, Esq., of 31
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On Feb. 24, at Brighton, Matilda Mary, daughter of 1001
Graham. Esq.
On Feb. 24, at Thames Ditton, Surrey,Mrs. Charlotte Betts,
of tho
relict
of thy late J. Betts, Esq., aged 72.
On Feb. 25. at Richmond, Surrey, Geraldine. only daughter
late Captain
Wintour, of the E. I. C.'s service, aged

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