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TEI lei SUN, LONDON. WRDNESDA Y. JUNE 9, 1841.

rnense commtereiq teptaiililits as .Cork, would, prove,
even fora, Wee year, an unprofitable speculation. The
immense impulse which such a line would give not only
to the interior traffic, but to-- the external com-
merce of Ireland, would be immense. Cork and
Limerick would become vteht depots of. .the trade
between Greet britain - and the United States.
The Cost of the transit of agricultural' produce
of all dt scriptions from the interior of Ireland to the
best markets in England, by means of rail Ways and
steamers, would not be greater than the present charges
for currying them, to itlerehe the glut in - the market
of- the nearest provincial city. The whole of
the people of Ireland are there:fore rno:,t deeply in-
terested in the success of the Bill now brought forward
by Lord MORPETH, but which will not be proceeded with
before the next session of Parliament. They have ample
time for reflecting upon the advantages of this measure,
and also for getting up petitions in support of it. We
trust they will not be wanting to themselves in ably
seconding the patriotic labours of the Noble Lord. Let
United Ireland put her shoulder to the wheel, and every
obstacle to her improvement must give way before the
application of a strength irresistible, if she knew but how
to employ it properly.

The most contradictory statements are made in the
French papers of Monday respecting the Ministeri.l
crisis. The Presse assures its renders that Marshal
SouLT only talked of resigning, but that he does so no
longer. The Constitationnel, on the contrary, states
ptnitively that the Marshal's resignation was complete,
and that the most earnest entreaties of the KING failed
cause him to withdraw it. The Marshal was reported
ti be somewhat recovered on Monday. His complaint is
irritation of the stomach.. On Sunday he was visited by
the Duke of ORLEANS, who remained closeted with hilli
for some hours. The KING came to Paris on Sunday
and Presided at st-. Cabinet Council, which sat till four
o'clock. The deliberatiOns. of the Council were upon
the question as to • Whether it would be advisable
to summon the Deputies to Paris to adopt th.
Amendments of the Peers upon the Recruitment Bill.
Marshal SOELT had recommended su::11 a course to th
KING, as the only condition upon which he could think
of resuming office. • Those Members of the Cabinet who
at heart are tired of the yoke imposed upon them by th.
illustrious Marshal, offered various objections to such
course, but they were overruled by the KING and by
their colleagues. Before the Council rose it was genet:-
ally understood that the proposal to summon the Depu-
ties to Paris had been adopted. If this be so the Minis-
terial crisis in France is over for the present.
The following paragraph, upon which we lay no stress
whatever, appears in the Commerce of Monday :
" It is reported that the friends of M. Thiers have already
invited bin to return to Paris, whilst others pretend that Al.
Guizot has within his reach parties to replace Marshal Soelt
and Tes'e, for the retirement of the two avelild be simulta-
neous. It is added that M. I)ufaure would accept the depart-
ment of Public Works, and that M. Guizot, who would re-
serve for himself the Presidency of the Council, would husita.e
as to the War department het. een General Schramm and
Marshal Voice, but the chances are said to be in favour of the
latter."

tinder no circumstances whatever do we regard M.
THIERS'S immediate return to dike as possible. His po-
litical char:atanism has -disgusted all parties, and for the
present the BOBADIL of French statesmanship must re-
main upon the shelf, where the limb, M. GITIZOT, and
Lord PALMEIMTON jointly depOSited hiM.

.....
There are various articles in the . Prig Journals of
Monday on the domestic policy of England, and the pro-
bable results of the approaching elections. All approve
of the immediate dissolution of the present Parliament.
M. Humann has just addressed a circular to all the Prefects,
calling pen them to give the necessary orders, in their respec-
tive departments, for the proper colectiou of the different
taxes, adding, that although the Government feels the most
lively interest for all establithtnnts for the comfort and in
struction of the poorer class's, yet it must require the laws re.
fitting to tht, taxes with which they are chargeable to be pro-
perly carried Into effect, and urging the Prefects to guard
against improper exemptions being granted.
A Naples letter, May 23, says—" The Honourable Mr.
Temple was occupied in bringing the treaty of commerce he-
tiveen England and Naples to a conclusion. It is saidlhit Wy
the terms of this treaty ‘esels under the British ttag wi:l
ob-
tain an advantage c,f 10 }er cent. in the entrance duties over
the most favoured nations. in all the lerts of the kingdom of •
Naples. The reports which had been spread as to the projected
journ-y of the King and Queen of Naples to Vienda, ate un-
founded. Their Maje:ties will this 3 ear confine their tour to
Sicily. In the night of the 13th, a large portion'of the rock
above the rue Chitarnone, one of the most ' frequented in
Naples, became.detached anti fell dawn with a 'tremendous
era-h. Fortunately it happened its the night, or many lives
would, in all probabititv. have been sacrificed.

FIIENCH AFRICA.
We have the following letter from Oran, dated the 15th
of May:—
" Two proclamations written in the Arabic language have
been sent into the interior; one of them, addressed to the
soldiers of the Emir, guarantees to them in case they submit,
the confirmation of the rank which they hold in the army of
Abd .el-Kader, and of the pay attached to that rank. The second
ci-culates among the Arabs, and informs them that the war
kill be vigorously carried on against the rebels, but that
such of them as desite to live at reace with Franc:, have
only to come to our camps, where they will be well received
and well treated. The two proclamations say that the war
is carried on only against Abd-cl.Kader and his partisans,
that the King's Government. is resoled not to conc•ude any
treaty with that insolent chief, and that he will be at length
compelled to submit to our discretion; they farther give the
Arabs the assurance that their manners and their religien sh:11
be respected, and that roof. shall he given them of the good-
will and gfinero,it) of e towards them. It is believed
that these proclamations, which are very conciliatory, will
produce an exccller.t effect on the roldiers of the Emir and the
tribes of the interior.

The Toulon squadron is on the point of s•tiling for the Hyeres
isl2nds. After • all the vessels have joined, Admiral ingot
will put to sea to practise evolutions. There will remain in
the road only two ships of the line destined for the Levant,
those which are to c,,nvey to Africa the battalion and some
sharp-shooters, and the Andrornetb frigate, lately arrived from
the north.—Le Constitutionnel.

THE NEW POOR-LAW.

Seven years having now elapsed since the New
Poor:law was carried thiVagn Parliament) a
great number of persons are ignorant of its his-
tory. We have of late received inui.e than .me
application fur some information concerning its
rOgress, particularly with regard to tile part
which-the Tories, ‘vnu now claim great credit for
hating opposed it, acted on the occasion. To
comply with those applications, we have looked
• back to the debates of 1b34, and now lay the
results of our researches beiiire the public.
The pauperised and demoralised condition of
the, agricuLural labourers of England, particu-
larly of the southern counties, where the Rich-
monds, the Winchilseas, and the Buckingliams
hold sway, nad long been a subject of deep
and bitter complaint but it was not till the dis-
turbances in the rural districts of the south in
183 J and 1831 quickened the diligence of the
Whig Ministry, that an attempt was made to re-
tnely a great evil, which all previous Adminis-
trations had scandalously neglected. In 1832,
the W nigs issued a Commission to inquire "into
the practical operation of the laws for the relief
of the-pi-or in England and Wales," and " to re-
port Aviiether any, ur what, alterations or amend-
ments, or improvements, may be beneficially
made in the said laws." At the head of tiiis
Commission was placed Charles James the _Bishop
of London, next the Bishop of Chester third,
Mr. Sturges Bourne, a tineral kind of Tory,
who was secretary of State in Mr. Canning's Au-
ministration, with Mr. tPassau W.Sentor, a politi-
cal economist, and four other gentlemen, among
maim was Mr. Chadwick, the present Secretary
of the Pour-law Commiunoners. The presence
of two pious Tory Bishops and Mr. S. Bourne
must satisfy the reader that the Commission was
not appointed fur a party poi pose, nor composed
in a party manner. In the month of February,
1834, they made their Report, of which mofe
than a third consisted of " remedial measures,"
and that Report was tLe foundation of the Bill,
of which, in tact, the Commissioners were the
real authors, introduced into Parliament by Lord
Althorp on April 17, 1834. We shalt say nomore
of the Report than that it gave a description of
the agricultural population of England, equally
disgusting and disgracetui to the landlords.

lu introducing the measure; Lord Althorp,
then the leader of the House of Commons, dwe.t
at great length on the disgraceful condition of
the people, and on its being the wish and inten-
tion of the meas.:re both to i:nprove the mud.-
of the' flakier and ec the property of the
iandowntrs ircm destri.c.ion. Riclarth
(Tory), Sir G. S.rieklaLd Nhig), Umonet
(W hag), Mrs .E. Lytton r is), Si,
Samuel Whalley (riadical), lair. hume (.ttaci-
cal), _Mr. hardy (Tory), Colonei W oud (Tory),
Mr. Ward (Whig), 6ir Thomas Frennauta
(Tory),
.Mr. Sianey (Whig), Mr. Tower (Whig.
Mr. Uripps (Whig), Mr. Escourt (T0,..y), hlr
Poulett_ Scrope h g), a.l spoke on tae mo-
tion for lez.ve to brim in the all, and all ex-
press&, pati.ularly cif Thomas Eremanae and
Colon( 1 v nod, great appi. lbation of the measure..
Sir Sainucl Whalley objected to the Centrai
Board, but generally approved of axe Bill. Not
a Tory, however, made an objection to it, or in
any way opposed it.
The second reading was moved on the 9th of
May, and then Colonel, now Sir De Lacy Evans,
the Radical (not Tory Member) for Westminster,
moved a resolution, but withdrew it, condemning
the centralizing principle of the Bill.- Sir Samuel
Whalley, another Radical, met the motion for
the second reading with an amendment to put
off the Bid for six months. On that occasion the
original motion was supported in speeches by
Mr. Grote, Mr. Slaney, Mr. Clay, Mr. E.
Buller, Mi. Hume, Mr. Benett, and Mr. Hawes,
all Ministerialists, as well as by Mr. Richards and
Sir James Scarlett, Tories. Part of the Bill was
objected to by Sir F. Burdett and Mr. Brother-
ton ; it was opposed by Mr. Walter; but on a
division the second reading was carried by 310 to
20, and those twenty were, with one or two ex-
ceptions, all Radicals. We transcribe their
names:—

VOTED AGAINST THE SECOND READING OF THE NFW
POOR•LAW, IN 3IAY 9, 1834.
O'Connell, D.
O'Connell, Maurice
O'Connell, Morgan
O'Connell C.
Ronayne, D.
Ruthven, E.
Ruthven, E. S.
Vigors, N. A.

Attwcod, M.
Attwood,
Beauelerk, Major
Faithful, G.
Fie Hen, J.
Fryer, R.
Halse, J.
Seholetield, J.
Vi.i.n, Sir lt. (T.)
Walti.r, J.
Young, C. F.
IR7LAND.

TELLERS.
Evans, • Colonel
Whalley, Sir S.

Lalor, J.
At that period the votes of the Members were
not officially published as at present, and the
names of those who voted for the Bill are not
preserved, but it is plain from the Noes that
every Tory in the House voted for the Bill ex-
cept S r R. Vivian and Mr. M. Attwood.
On May 14, the Bill was committed. Mr.
Godson then proposed to divide it into two
parts, and Sir Robert Peel spoke on his amend-
ment, merely as to a technical point, and did
not say one word against the Bill. The amend-
ment was withdrawn. Mr. Robinson, a quasi Whig,
moved resolutions pledging the House to improve
the moral and social condition of the labouring
poor by the promotion of beneficial employment,
and his resolution was supported by the follow-
ing Members w!io then ALL called themselves
Radicals or LibJrals. Not a Tory was in their
ranks; and again every Tory in the HMIS?. voted
for the Bill :
MEMBERS WIIO VOTED ON MAY 14, riR MR. ROBINSON'S

Beauclerk, Majorl
Evans, Co:one
Faithful, G.
Fielden, J.
Gully, J.
Robinson, G. R.
Scholefield, J.

RESOLUTIONS.
Walter, J.
Whalley, Sir R.
Williams, Colonel
IRELAND.

Lalor, J.
Ruthven, E.
Vigors, N. A.

In the Committee the first clause, appointing
these Commissioners,- was opposed by Sir Samuel
Whalley, Sir H. Willoughby, Mr. Jervis, Col.
Evans, and other Radical and Whig Members,
but not by the Tories. A division took place on
a motion to report progress, with a view to delay
the clause and delay ;,he Bill, and the opponents
of the clause were the following Radicals and
Whigs
A t twood, T.
Buckingham, J.
Evans, Colonel
Faithful, G.
Fielden, J.
Gordon, R.
Gully, J.
Holcombe, J.
Hughes, H.
Robinson, G.
'Walter, J.

Williams, Colonel

IRELAND.
Baldwin, Dr.
Blake, Mr. J.
Buller, Colonel
O'Connell, M.
Ruthven, E.
Vigors, N. A.

TELLER.
Whalley, Sir S.

On May 23d the Bill was again in Committee,
and again Sir Samuel Whalley, Colonel,Evans,
and other Radical Members, led all the oppLsi-
tion that was made to the clauses of the Bill, but
no division was had. The Bill WaS discussed in
Committee and on the Report till June 27th,
when all tie clauses were agreed to ; and
throughout those discussions we find, besides the
Radicals we have mentioned, Mr. Cobbett and
Mr. T. Attwood taking al active part against, the
Bill. On June 6th, an amendment proposed by
Sir H. Willoughby, to restrict the power of the
Commissioners nut to levy rates without the con-
sent of the majority of the parishioners, was sup-
ported by the following Members :
Astley, Sir J. Fryer, R.
Attwood, T. Godson, R. (Tory)
Barnard, E. G. Guise, Sir W.
Benett, J. scholefield, J.
Brotherton, J. Tower, C. T.
Buller, Colonel TELLER.
FaithrUl, G. Willoughby, Sir H.

On June 9th, Mr. Cobbett made a motion to
stop the Bill altogether, and his motion waS'Aup-
ported by the followiug gentlemen, not one -of
whom was then a Tory :
Cobbett, W. Finn, W. F. -, -
Egerton, W. T. . Godson, R. (Tory.)
Evans, Colonel
Faithful, G. -
RobinsonH o es, T. .
G. .
Fielden, J. - Scholefie'd, J.
There was on the same day two divisions on
the 334 clause of the Bill, both having for their
object to put an end to voting by proxy, and in
the lists of those who opposed the elauSe, we th)
not see a single Tory. Here is one of the lists i
Aglionby, H. A. . Jervis, J. . .
Attwoocl, T. - Kennedy, J.
B.iines, E. Lalor, J.
Ileaueleric, Major Langstone, J. 11.
BriggS, It. Lister, E. C.
Brockelhurst, J. . Oswald, R. A.
Brotherton, J. O'Bryan, C.
Clay, W. Philips, M.
Evans, Cooael . roult:2r, t=. S. '
Evans, G. Robinson, J. H.
liwart, W. Seholetield, G.
faithful,
G. Tanered, H..1\7.
.... .. .

Tennyson, Right Hon. C.
Thiel:nesse, R.
Vig9rs, N. A.
Was Orr, Righi
tum BS ;_-.° rte
Torr6ns, C016g..,,.51 le
• •

rieldert, J.
Fryer, IL
IGaskell, D.
Orawe,
Heatheote, J.
i Hume, J.
Jitar,phres, J.
." •
10, 4r._ P:SQrope„piu 1,
prevent. e, Co 3,1.,n -
4,6-ri:ft'tlitse to .I.3t'xii cf.!.
454'-.);67.,' and. to: pith ri)ji%l

and illegitimate children, ag they (the Guardians)
may think fit so to relieve. On a diviSiVii 7.14iz.-
sensible and humane motion was supported by
the l'ollowing Members, whose then political
creed we hai Z trid.fh,d in the list :
Attwood, T. (R.) ililgti.t.t.ne.7.4, H. (W.)
Benett, J. (W.) Mills, J. (T.)
Bethel', R. (T.) O'Connor, F. (R.)
Briscoe, J. T. (W.) Price, R. (T.)
Brotherton, J. (W.) Robinson, G. 11. (v.)
Collier, J: (IV.) Scholefieid, J. (WO.
Cripps, J. (WO Shmey, 11, A. (W.)
Davenport, J. (W.) Thicknesse, IL (W.)
Duncombe, W. (T.) Throckmorton, N. (W.)
Egerton, W. T. (W.) • . Tower, C. T. ('V.)
Faithful, G. (B.) Vernon (W.)
Fancourt, Major (W.) • Walker, R. (R.)
Fielden, W. (W.) Wallace. R. (R.)
Fenton, J. (W.) Walsh, Sir J. (T.)
Fielden, J. (li.) Walter, J. (W.)
Gaskell, I). (R.) Wilbraham, G. (W.)
Godson, R. (r.) Wilks, J. (B.)
Holcombe, J. (T.) Williams, G. (W.)
Hardy, J. (T.) Willoughby, Sir W. (W.)
Hodges' T. L. (W.) TELLERS.
Irton, S. (W.) Scrope, P. (W.)
Again, on the 13th of June, Mr. Poulett Scrope
moved to reserve a power to two Justices, after
complaint on the oath of the pauper at Petty
Sessions, to order rebel; and that motion was
supported by the following Members :
Astley, Sir J. Kuatchbull, Sir E. (T.)
Attwood, T. O'Connell, M.
Baines, E. Scholefield, J. - •
Benett, J. Slaney, R. A.
Blackstone, W. S. Thicknesse, R.
Buller, Colonel Tower, C. T.
Cobbett, W. Tyrell, Sir J. (T.)
Durham, Sir I'. Vivian, Sir R. (T.)
Zinn, W. F. Williams, Colonel
Fremantle, Sir T. (T.) Willoughby, Sir H.
Godson, R. (T.) Wood, Colonel (T.)
Ilanmer, Sir J. . TELLER.
Hodges, T. L. - Scrope, P.
Jacob, E.
Mr. Robinson's motion on June 18th to omit the
6th, or Bastardy Clause, was thus supported :
Brotherton, J. Lloyd, J. H.
Buckingham, J. S. O'Connor, F.
Buller, C. O'Dwyer, A. C.
Cobbett, W. Rider, T.
Davenport, John Ruthven, E. S.
Fenton, J. ' Ruthven L.
Fielden, J. Scholefield, J.
Finn, W. S. Shaw, H. W.
Gully, J. Steward, L. N.
Holcombe, J. (T.) Strutt, E.
Handley, H. Tennyson, Right Hon. C.
Hardy, J. ('l'.) Torrens, Colonel
Heatheiite,' J. . Tyrell C.

Hodges, T. L.
Hughes, H. (T.)
Jacob, E.
Jervis, J.

Vigors, N. A.
Walter, .J.
Young, G. T.

A clause moved by Mr. Cobbett on the 53,1113
day, to make persons in the pension list support
their pauper relatives, was, of course, not sup-
ported by one Tory. Here are the names :
Blake, T. Hodges, W. L.
Buckingham, J. S. Maxwell, J.
Butler, Colonel. O'Brien, E.
Cobbett, W. O'Connell, D.
Fielden, J. O'Connell, M.
Turner, W. F. • O'Connell, J.
Gaskell, D. O'Connell, F.
Gully, J. • Ruthven, E.
Heatheote, J. Thompson, Ald.

A clause moved by Mr. Miles, to throw some
portion of the responsibility on the putative
father of an illegitimate child, was opposei by the
following gentlemen :
Aglionby, H. A.
Astley, Sir J.
Baring, W. B.
Bouvcrie, Captain.
Buller, C.
Calwer, W.
Dashwood, G. W.
I;ivett, E.
Evans, W.

Martin, J.
Parrott, J,
Barneby, E.
Rooper, -J. B.
Ryle, J.
Seale, Colonel.
Shepher3, T.
Skipwith, Sir G.
Steward, E.
Strickland, Sir G.
Strutt, E.
Tancred, H. W.
Throckmorton, A. G.
Todd, R.
Trelawney, Sir W.
Wedgewood, J. W.
Whitmore, W.
Wilbraham, G.
TELLER.
Peter, W.

Evans, G.
Ewart, W.
Fazakerley, J.
Fitzroy, Lord C.
Folkes, Sir W.
Foot, J.
Goring,
Grote, G.
Heron, Sir R. •
Hornsby, E. J.
Lloyd, J. H.
Locke, W.

The final division was, on the third reading.
The ayes were then 187, many of them Tories;
the noes 50. Here is a list of the noes with their
political creed designated :
Attwood, M. (T.) O'Connell, Maurice (W:)
Attwood, T. (R.) O'Connell, Morgan (W.)
Ba,inbriege, E. T. (W.) O'Connell, G. (W.)
Baines, 'l. (W.) Parker, Sir H. (W.)
Bering, H. (T.) Potter, R. (W.)
Black: tone, W. S. (T.) Rider, T. (W.)
Brotherton, J. (W.) Robinson, G. R. (W.)
Burrel, Sir C. (T.) Ruthven, E. (W.)
Cobbett, W. (R.) Scholefield, J. (W.)
• Duffield, T. (T..) Somerset, Lord G. (T.)
Duncombe, W.-T. (T.) Spry, S. J. (W.)
Egerton, W. T. (W.) Stanley, E. (W.)
Faithful, G. (R.) Thicknesse, R. (W.)
Fielden, J. (R.) Tower, C. J. (W.)
Fitzsimion, C. (W.) Vigors, N. A. (W.)
Fryer, R. (R.) . Vivian, Sir R. (T.)
Guise, Sir R. W. (W.) Walter, J. (W.)
Gulley, J. (W.) Whalley, Sir S. (R.)
Halcombe, J. (W.) Williams, Col. (W.)
Halse, J. (W.:) • Willoughby, Sir H. (W.)
Hardy, J. (T.) Wilks, J. (W.)
Hughes, 11. (T.) Young, G. T. (W.)
Humphery, T. (W.) TELLERS.
Kennedy, T. (W.) Bennet, F. (W.)
Leech, J. (W.) Hodges, T. L. (W.)
Lister, E. C. (W.) PAIRED OFF.
Lowther, Hon. Col. (T.) Tennyson, Charles.
O'Connell, D. (W.)
From these facts, it is evident that the state-
ments of the Tories now generally made, that
they were opposed to the New Poor-law when it
was passed, arc, like many others of their state-
ments, great falsehoods. The only opponents of
the New Poor-law, when it was passed, were the
Radicals and the Whig-Radicals. The Tories were
nearly one and all staunch supporters of the law.
It savoured of despotism, its essence was interfe-
rence and control, and therefore the Tories were
certain to support it. Whether the Whigs and
the Whig-Radicals were equally consistent and
wise in supporting it, is now more than doubtful.
Supporting it has rendered them very unpopular.
They now find that it ought not to have been
passed, till the Corn-laws were Abrogated.
That barbarous law makes all their science
and all their knowledge vain, and renders
the best established principles praeiically
inapplicable. The New Poor-law, passed when
no Corn-law existed, would have been popular
as well as just; passed with a Corn-law in exist
ence, it was most unjust, and has bevome. most
deservedly unpopular. The whole guilt of that
lies at the doors of the Tories; they were and
are the advocates of the Corn-laws, and at the
same time the advocates of the New Poor-law,
and we know nothing more impudent than their
assertions—while the facts which contradict them
are well known--that the New Poor-law is exclu-
sively a Whig measure, which the Tories always
Opposed. They never opposed it as a party in
either House; and the few individual Tories
who opposed it were always much out-numbered
by the Radicals and the Whigs.