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London, England, 1841-09-21 00:00:00

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able footing—(ilea*, hear.)--they might be perfectly
c;.rtain that the duty on the importation of Britisb
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..ear.) On the question of the.
. Duties, when the late Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer proposed to reduce the duty on foreign sugar,
the Noble Lord the Member for Liverpool (Lord San-
don) carried an amendment against the reduction, the
main reason assigned for which was, that encourage-
r:lent should be given to the production of free labour
ia opposition to that of slave labour. But the merchants
of Liverpool seemed not to be of the same opinion
with the Noble Lord, for it was a curious fact that all
the sugar refiners in Liverpool had ceased to refine
sugar, the produce of the British colonies in the West
lu:tic s, and were all carrying on a very extensive, and,
as he believed, lucrative trade in refining foreign sugar
in bond.--(Hear, hear.) In one week 1,100 boxes of
Cuba sugar were taken in by the merchants of Liver-
pool to be refined. The price of raw sugar in bond was
2d. per lb., when refined it was -td. per lb., and all the
rest of the price was duty paid to Government for the
sake of monopoly, and to exclude the foreign and cheap
article.—(Hear, hear.) He was quite certain that if her
Majesty's late Government had carried their proposition
for a 12s. duty on foreign sugars, not one single week
would have elapsed in which the grocer and the
refiner • would not have selected foreign sugar.
The country would have been benefitted by the
reduction in price, and the revenue would have largelyiti-
creased. In conclusion he (Mr. Thornely) begged to
Observe that he had passed through commercianife, and
had retired from business. He had never entertained
any other commercial principles than those of free trade,
and all observation perfectly convinced him of their
soundness. He had long seen the working of these prin-
ciples of monopoly in this country, and when he went into
the Committee on Import Duties he certainly foresaw
what facts would be elicited in that examination, and he
was not, therefore, surprised at the effect the report of
that Committee had had upon this and foreign coun-
tries.—(Hear, hear.) He 'mew that it was read exten-
sively, and with delight, in the United States ; but they
said, whenever you act on these principles you may
then safely hold up your heads, and ask for free trade
with other countries ; but whatever may be your prin-
ciples, while your practice is so injudicious, you have
little claim on the sympathies and liberality of other na-
tions.—(Hear.) He would only further say, that, being
:es early in his attendance at the House as any other
Member, he had heard the prayers read that day at the
table ; one of which was that they " might lay aside all
private interests, prejudices, and personal affections ;"
and he would hope that this was done by every man on
his crossing the door of that House ; for whether a man
of that House was a landowner, manufacturer, or mer-
chant, he had a duty to perform to his constituents, his
country, and mankind, and he ought, therefore, to lay
aside these feelings.—(Hear.) He begged to urge these
considerations on Hon. Gentlemen opposite. He also
thanked her Majesty's late Ministers for what they had
done. They had attempted to open the doors of com-
mercial freedom for our benefit and that of all mankind.
'The Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir R. Peel) had now a
similar opportunity, and if he would avail himself of it
he might set at defiance all who looked to their private
interests, and do great good to the people of this country,
for which they would ever after be eminently grateful.
Mr. YORKE said immediate relief for the distress of
the country was their primary object, and the responsi-
bility of the Right Hon. Baronet opposite should also be
taken into consideration. The late Government were
beaten upon. distinct principles distinctly proposed. The
Right Iron. Baronet voted against those principles, and,
therefore, it wait incumbent upon him not to leave the
douse without proposing a substitute for them. It was
with unaffected regret that he he had heard the Right
Hon. Baronet intimate his intention to propose measures
—all excellent in their way—for the ventilation of the
House, the centralization of royal vegetables, the
union of royal demesnes, and the extension of the
-.New Poor-law, to the supreme detestation of which
so many Hon. Gentlemen opposite were indebted for
their seats—(Hear, hear)—and having done this, it sent
the country gentlemen home for the vacation.--(Hear,
Lear.) He feared the Right Hon. Baronet, who ob-
jected to let them proceed then, would find himself
equally unable, when they reassembled, to provide a re-
medy for evils which might, in the interim, greatly in-
crease.—(Hear.)
On the question, that the Speaker do leave the Chair,
the ,House divided, when there appeared—

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- For the motion
Against
Majority - 114 I
The House then went into a Committee of Supply.
A vote of 54,0001., foy defraying the expenses of the I
insurrection in Canada, was agreed to.
A vote of 60,0001., for completing the Civil Contin-
gencies, being proposed,
Colonel SIBTHORP said he trusted that the time of
jobbing was past away along with the late Ministry. He
could not avoid referring to the expenses attendant on
the appointment of a Noble and Learned Lord to ad-
judicate for about seventeen day son a few Chancery suits
in Ireland, to say nothing of these other jobs which
filled the civil contingencies and miscellaneous estimates
for the last ten years. He saw a grant to an lion. Mem-
ber, towards whom he entertained no objection. He ad-
mitted he was a gentleman of great assiduity and talents,
:and it was not he, but those who made the appointment,
;that were to blame. He alluded to the appointment of the
Alen. Member for Bolton, then Member for Kilmarnock,
evho for two years five months and six days held a consi-
derable salary, in conjunction with another gentleman,
for duties connected with an inquiry into the state of fo-
reign trade. The official return, granted on a motion
made by him (Colonel Sibthorp) showed that the ex-
penses of that appointment amounted to 7,1591. 15s. 9:1,,
:and all that money was for four or five reports, which
:might be very good, but which he (Colonel Sibthorp)
/Ail not read, nor did he intend to read it. Of the late
Government. however, as it was defunct, he WOilki Db-
se;eee the old adage de mortuie nil nisi Lorain:.
Mr. WILLIAMS trusted the Hon. and Gallant Colo-
nel would pursue the same course towards his own party,
,as that which he joined him (Mr. Williams) in pursuing
stewards the late :Ministry when in office. The Hon, and
(3-allant Colonel formed an exception to his party when
eLey :supported the late Governmentin any extravagance.
lie .11. e. Williams) would not allow the present vote to
lease wl'eliont calling the attention of Government to sonic
of the, its:ine, in the hope that when those ,pay-
snouts came round a enin they might see the
justice of omitting some ofl them. He thought that not
a few of them were perfect masters of the public mo-
ney. lie would first peg attention to the outfits of am- l-
ees:sad/1m lie enotion, that Government would fled
'many competent persona to fill those (aces for the ono-
lum,,ots of them without anc X tra expense for outfits,
There was one item of 31W. paid lo the Marshal of the
Ceremonies fur packing pictures fur the service of the
Eeibassy at Paris. He objected to its expenditure,
inecause the revenue could not afford it and. if more
taN:ltioll Wits to he raised, Gentlemen wouLt lind the
inconvenience of it, as recourse meet be had for that purr
pose to the class to which Hon. Gentlemen belonged.
Other items were 5751. expenses attendant oe the visits
of distinesseshed personages; 4601., e:7l)(:3ses .e"neet."l
vital the laver of London ; 46C1, amount of geeeeitles
na,:el to officers o('the Court of Exchequer ; :1371• 165.
:,xpe,:se of appoiatinse Mr. Poulett Thompson, now Lord
.):clenbratt, .to be Caetinelieneral over British North
Auseries. ; and, lastly, there wee nn item of I ,455/. 2s. 4d.
paid to sundry persons, as of Ler 1014"a,sty's bounty, Ile
should like to know whist that was?
yhe CIIAIRAIAN then put the question that 60,0061.
anted to her Majesty for coaspletiug the Civil coo-
bo to the 3lzt of March, 1842, when
RUSSELLtit 'A
Lord S. • •.•
•ihitk. that with respect to Ambits-
, , IN,,nisters-abroad, he should nut think that
eauors au
the
expenses of their outfit ought to be objected to. It
Howed for a series of years, seed he thought it a
expense. If they appointed none but men
verY per
of consu w „able fortune, ,why, then they might pot make
but if they appinted men of considerable
sac!' grits.
ealent am- SI;na!1 income, woo might not be able to cote,
necessary aura for an outfit, tfnen it became a
reaud the
txpense ;
and to make till distinction
ls'eers);eolir inrdiviiieduals would he invidious. With
Governor-Generalship of CanAkia,
kre.tsibiceltite v
etdo
so the
from having, derived any advantage
front that situation, Lord Sydenham had enpended a part
of his own private fortune in consequence of accepting it.
oeases of that kind numbers were found witiing ni...
11'nk that, because such a desire
ssept the situation from ambition and the desire of puhiie
service ; but he did not t
prevailed, the provisiOn s outold be made inadequate to
the expenses. With regard the services of Dr. Bow-
ring, they hal already been disensps_e,dl;,and it am not
necessary for him to refer to them gain,
necessary
C. HAMILTON said, ,understood that
lie-
certain passages had been cut out efeeNoble
port, he would be glad to be 111 - • forned by
of Dr. Uowring's
_Lord opposite whether that statement, was correct ?Elea
Lord PALMERSTON replied that ho. Certin!Y.
cut out several passages, amongst which as";iPaTld
sion of " sovereign," as applied to Me-ment,"
several eulogiums upon his Administration, but ited
removed no tart of the statistical information.
The vote was then agreed to.
(hi the motion that 51,6541. 10s. be granto to her
Majnsty to complete the works of the various public de-
parttneAts,
Mr. WILLIAMS, said he could not but take that 01)-
portunity of referring to the unnecessary expense of
maintaining the various palaces. There were in all nine
royal palaces and residences. He thought some of those
palaces might be closed without any inconvenience to her
Majesty. The people of England had no desire to control
her of any anything tending to her comfort or happiness;
hart there were several palaces which she never saw, and
smother was kept solely for the aceommosletion of foreign
sovereigns. He hoped her Majesty's Government would
give their attention to this atibjeet, and in this hope he
would not propose any reduction.
Mr. WAKLEY said, although the remarks of the
lion. Member were very useful, he was afraid they would
be of no avail. There was no doubt that the expenditure'
was very extravagant. One would suppose, from the es-
mates, that there was no distress existing amongst the
people. But who was to blame ? It appeared to him that
it was entirely owing to the wantonness of that House in
oting- the public money. Immediately the votes were
proposed the majority of the !Umbers left their seats,