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millions of people so situated in Ireland this winter as to
require relief. It was stated that the potato crop would
only feed 1,400,000; what, then, would become of th'
remaining 5,600,000? Let them not look alone at the
crime of a people, let them look somewhat to their dis-
tress.—(Boar, hear.) The state of things this year
would be, he had no doubt, worse or quite as bad as
during the last, and England must not imagine that it
had done with Ireland until it had taken measures to
raise the people from the slough into which bad legis-
lation had cast them.

Earl GREY said that, looking at the history of the
present year, he did not think it was expedient to en-
courage the people of Ireland to look to the Govern-
ment for relief from the pressure of their present diffi-
culty. Last year, under a great calamity, it bad been
necessary to extend assistance to Ireland ; but it was
impossible to coeceal that the granting that relief was
attended by many very serious evils. Certainly ;he did
not think that in the present state of the country it was
expedient to hold out any hope to the people of Ireland
that anything was to be obtained from the Government.
That there was distress in Ireland he did not doubt.
The Government, however, had stores of corn in hand,
and the British Association still held great funds appli-
cable to cases of extreme want. He did hope that
these funds would be considered sufficient for the relief
of Ireland. With regard, however, to one point in the
speech of the Noble Lord (Stanley), he wished to state,
before he sat down, that it was the intention of the
Government to institute inquiry into the causes of the
recent commercial distress, and particularly as to how
far it was attributable to the limitation of the issue of
notes payable on demand.—(Hear.)
Lord REDESDALE asked if it was intended to origi-
nate any and what measures in that House? Also if any
Committee of the Lords was to be appointed en the cur-
rency question?
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Et;rl-GREY replied, that with respect to the Bills
likely more immediately to come before Parliament, he
feared it might be necessary to originate all of them in
the other House. With respect to the last question, they
certainly had not intended to move for a Committee in
the Upper House of Parliament.
The Address was then agreed to.
CIIAIRMAN OF COMMITTEES.
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY was re-appointed Chairman
of the Committees.

Their Lordships adjourned till to•morrow at Four
o'clock.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, Nov. 23.
The SPEAKER took the Chair to-day at Twelve
o'clock, and the swearing in of Members was proceeded
with. Among those who were sworn we noticed
Mr. Hudson, Sir John Yarde Buller, Lord Robert
Grosvenor, Mr. Wodebouse, Mr. Bankes, Sir J. Pak-
ington, General Lygon, Mr. Tancred, Mr. Wilson
Patten, Mr. Redhead Yorke, Mr. Dillon Browne,
Mr. John O'Connell, Mr. Greene, Lord Euston, Sir
R. Fergusson, Sir James Graham, Mr. Oswald, Mr.
E. Ellice, Mr. W. Evans, Mr. F. O'Connor, Mr. F.
French, Mr. Currie, Mr. Ewart, Mr. G. P. Scrope,
Captain Harris, Mr. Mitchell, Sir E. Hayes, Sir E.
Buxton, Mr. Childers, Mr. Maxwell Fox, Mr.
Lowther, Mr. Heald, Mr. Clifford, Lord Alford, Mr.
Houldsworth, the Right Hon. F. Baring, Mr. J.
Hume, Mr. B. Cochrane, Sir Lucius O'Brien, Colonel
Rawdon, Mr. Forbes, Sir Charles Douglas, and Sir
Wm. Jollife. _ _ .

Shortly after two o'clock Sir Augustus Clifford
appeared at the bar, and summoned the House to the
House of Lords, for the purpose of hearing her Ma-
jesty's Speech read by commission.
The Speaker, accompanied by about 200 Members,
immediately proceeded to the House of Lords.

After an absence of about a quarter of an hour, the
Speaker, accompanied by the other Members, re-
turned, and the House immediately adjourned till
a Quarter to Four o'clock.

The House resumed at Four o'clock, when about
forty Members were sworn in, amongst whom were
Lord George Bentinck, Mr. R. Cobden, Mr. Charles

Buller, and Mr. Villiers. The swearing in occupied
some considerable time, and long before it had closed
the House became tolerably well filled with Mem-
bers. On the Treasury side there was scarcely a va-
cant seat, but the Opposition benches were not so well
filled. Still there was a thick muster of the Oppo-
sition, and some time before the mover of the Address
rose to deliver his maiden speech the House presented
an exceedingly animated and interesting appearance.
Mr. Feargus O'Connor took up his position on the
Opposition side of the House, on the front bench,
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next to Lord George Bentinck, with whom be held a
long conversation. Sir James Graham was early in
attendance, and resumed his former seat on one of
the back benches, but Sir Robert Peel did not arrive
till about half. past four. Shortly afterwards Lord
John Russell, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and
Sir George Grey entered the House, and they were
immediately followed by the mover and seconder of
the Address, who were attired:in militia costume.

The SPEAKER intimatedtbat Members who had
been elected for two or more places must, within 14
days, elect which place they will sit for.
Mr. HARCOURT gave notice that he should
move that "a loyal and dutiful Address to her
Majesty, praying her Majesty to exercise her
Majesty's undoubted prerogative of summoning
within her Majesty's realm of Ireland the Peers
spiritual and temporal of that realm, and the
knights, citizens, and burgesses thereof, in order
that her Majesty may take counsel with the same in
regard to the great and manifold derangements and
sufferings of that kingdom."—Agreed to.

depression in trade,and great difficulty vs as experienced
in getting discounts even upon good hi lls, and it was
generally conceded that some time mus t elapse before
ati improved state of things could be brought abont.
The Noble Lord (Lord John Re e sell) and the
Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir C. Wo at I) under these
circumstances recommended the Ba t k to ersiarge its
discounts ; and he believed if they had neat done so
at such a critical period, that a mu els more serious
derangement would have taken lace,—(Loud
cheers.) That was the part of a skilful pilot
during a storm. Confidence was in a great mea-
sure restored, as persons with good . l sills could get
them discounted. At Newcastle ' th, ire was a run
upon a bank, and the manager of aLe Bank of Eng-
land in that town had the good at rinse and libe-
rality to advance money on gl sod security.
Such was the demand that he heel to send by
the electric telegraph to Leeds for more money,
and a parcel was dispatched the same: day, showing
that the Bank did all it could to allay the excitement
that prevailed, and to afford all the ;accommodation
in their power. The Government was t hererefore per-
fectly justified in what it did. -.Happily there
was no infringement of the Bank Act, „although such
an impression seemed to prevail. Fie was glad to
find that the Bank yesterday reduced its discounts to
7 per cent. In a short time he believed the Bank
wouldi resume its wonted arrangements, and that
its btesiness would be transacted as usual. The
state of Ireland alluded to in the ipeech, could
not freil to cause the greatest concern Po the House.
There was one part which he was sir re the House
would agree upon—that the atrocious a :eirnes which
were a dark page in Ireland's b istory must
be put an end to in some was— orbe
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He was happy to- see that in her Yeai
esty's Speech
allusion was made to a measure f.or the social
im-
provement of the people of that country. Th Loved
Lieutenant of Ireland deserved the warmest com-
mendation for the admirable system which he has
pursued throughout the whole period of the distress.
lie had, with great judgment, turned the attention
of the agricultural interest to the impro cement of I,
their crop; and had also recommended that lecturers
should be E mployed in lecturing in different partsed the
country for the purpose of instructing the ye:ems-dry in ,
the best utodes of improving the conetiv.on of the
soil.—(Heitr, hear.) With respect to. our foreign
relations, the House would be happy to, "hear that her
Majesty still relied upon the continual,rrce of amicable
relations with foreign countries. W it} i regard to the
civil war isa Switzerland, he was bapyy to hear that
means would be taken by he': Majesty to
endeavour to restore peace to country.
There t a
There were few countries in E urope possessed
of more dignity than Swazi
.;rland, and the
circumstance of one of the moss, important states
in Europe taking an interest 'y their affairs, and
endeavouring to arrange them for them, would
no
doubt tend very much to harmo raise their unfortunate
differences.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the
slave-trade, the House we ,uld be glad to learn
that her Majesty had CG ncluded a treaty with
the Republic of the Equador, by virtue of
which ships of this e ountrY were empowered
to search vessels sailing '.ender the flag of that repub-
lic. Jn pursuance of the system of free trade, there
was no doubt that the navigation laws would be
brou:Ot under the serious consideration of the House,
with a view to their amendment and modification.
The subject had obtained the serious attention
of tbe House during the last session. A
Comnaittee was then appointed to inquire into
the o peration of those laws, and an amusing work
had been written upon the report furnished lay that
Comm &tee by the Hon. Member for Stoke-upon-
' Trent (Mr. Ricardo). A measure respecting the
health of towns, more especially with respect to the
metropolis would, he was happy to hear, be
brought under the consideration of the House.
This wee a subject which pressed particularly upon
the attention of the House, now that there were ap.
prehensi,ms of the return of that fatal epidemic
which in former years had visited this', country. He
felt convinced that the best preventatives to the
spread of the cholera were to be found in abun-
dant supplies of water and an effident drainage
of the streets and alleys of la :be tow„.—(Hear.)
With regard to the sufferings of the working classes,
he most 'cordially concurre'd in the commendation
expressed. by her Majesty of the exemplary manner
in which they had borne their privations.—
(Hear, b ear.) Frol.d his own personal know-
ledge o f their conduct in Lancashire he
felt convi need that they also deserved the respect of
this House. The Hon. Member concluded by moving
the Ade tress, which was, as usual, an echo of the
Speech ,
Mr. SHAFTO ADAIR, in rising to second the
maser), claimed the indulgence of the House upon
the same grounds as that of the Honourable
Men aber who moved the Address. No person
who had witnessed the severe distress and privation
exie ing in this great capital during the course of the
late stoppage of trade, could fail to appreciate the
feelings which had induced her Majesty to authorise
her :I Insisters to agree to a proposition which might
have involved an infringement of the existing law.
The course then pursued deserved the warmest
tint:ales of the House.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.)
With respect to an allusion that the late abundant
hary est had mitigated the pressure of distress, he
trusted that this House would shortly adopt some
measure to ensure, as far as possible, a prosperous
and consecutive employment of the working classes
—(I leer, hear.) With regard to the navigation..
laws , there was no doubt but they -.required a
full consideration and attentive examination. He did
not, however, imply by examination an.abandonment
of thsose laws, and he trusted that in that inquiry no
prejtedication of the question would be allowed to
bias the result to which the House might come upon
the subject.—(Hear, hear.) Prejudication for
the abolition of those laws was equally
as !fatal to a full and fair inquiry as
prejizdicative to their conservation.—(Loud cheers
from the Protectionists.) He was happy to
hear that cheer from Honourable Members oppo-
site, and he trusted that when called upon to enter-
tain the question they would submit themselves to the
task of a full and fair inquiry into the whole subject.
If he thought the mighty efforts of this empire were
to be crushed by the alteration of these laws he
would be the last to vote for such an event taking
place,. But be knew that such would not
be the result. He believed that all'that
had taken place was temporary, and would soon
be set right. It would afford the House great
gratification to learn that another link had been broken
which bound the slave, he alluded to what had taken
place with respect to the Equador.—(Hear, hear.)
So long as England was the friend of the slave they
might depend upon it other nations would follow
their example.—(Hear.) England had great weight
in the councils of the world, and her advice and ex-
ample would go a great way to do great good.
He inferred, from the assurance given-an her Ma-
jesty's Speech, that a better day would soon shine
upon the world, and that that which was now dawn-
ing beyond the Alps would soon extend to these
kingdoms.—(Hear.) With regard to the health
of towns, it was hardly necessary he should refer to
the subject further than to express a hope that no
delay should be allowed to take place in bring-
ing forward some measures on the subject.—
(Hear, hear.) The cholera was already approaching
the shores of this country, and the sooner attempts
were made to arrest its progress the better.—
(Hear, hear.) There was another topic alluded to
in the Speech, which he approached with a
great sense of oppression on account of the
overwhelming interest of the subject; he alluded
to the melancholy and dreadful events that had
lately taken place in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) To
render life desirable it must be made secure.
—(Rear, hear.) The State had the right
tool. ditesmamnd an account of the spilling of the blood
When heeanersetflesubject.—(Cries of "Hear, hear.")
in Ireland,
knowing
as
he did what the
his heart sickened at he must confess that
hear.) Former outrages had contemplation.—(Hear
them, but those that had lateeelethtmkg to extenuate
none. In former times the ym
aadneen place bad
tics might lead men into crime, buts,sthof
the Legislature, no such thing existed now. ailts to
horrible to see the gigantic figure of dailyw
murder raising its head, in Ireland. Re be-
lieved that these fearful crimes might be
checked by the law as it at present existed.
without resorting to force, but at all events life must
be preserved, and if it could not without re-
sorting to military forte, it would be far better
that that should, be employed than that such
dreadful murders should be allowed with impunity.
But while it was-necessary that they should have re-
course to measures of a coercive nature, it was
equally necessary that they should accompany those
measures with plans that may be well adapted for
instructing and educating, while they improve
the general condition of the people.—(Hear, hear.)
It would be the duty of the Legislature to set the
people of Ireland a moral example, and to teach them
to look to the Government of the country not
only for protection against the musket of the
assassin, but for instruction in virtue and encouragement
in doing good also; and while it was the duty of Go-
vernment to seek out and bring the criminal to jus-
tice, it was equally their province to teach the people
that a distinction could not be drawn between that
criminal or the parties who prevented his falling into
the hands of .the law. They must teach
the people that to harbour or conceal a
criminal was a 'great /crime, a great moral crime,
that ought to be punished with as much severity as