The Sun.
London, England, 1847-07-23 00:00:00

way there, on that day, he was at Charles Flint's, at
between eight and nine in the morning, and then at
other places— Smithson's, Hellas's, a place called Little
London, and then at the Shoulder of Mutton. He
was at the latter at some hour " convenient
to dinner time." Saw Reid that day. He was at the
Shoulder of Mutton (Chadwick's) when witness
went in, but they did not speak. The witness
then mentioned other places that he went to, and then
said that he went to Mr. Wraith's, and to the kitchen
door, at which he knocked. No one at first came
to the door, but on his repeating the knock he heard a
foot move up stairs, and afterwards heard it come step
by step down stairs, and towards the door at which he
stood. It seemed first to go towards the fire-place and
than to the door. The witness knocked a third time,
and the foot then came towards the door, and the door
was unlocked and opened about six inches, so that a
man's face might come out. He then asked if they
" wanted anything in his way." A low voice answered
" No, sir." At that time he could hear an " exhausted
sigh," and saw something white on the floor underneath
the door. It was sprinkled with blood. The man, who
could see witness look at it, then shut the door. Witness
then left, and as he put up his basket with his hands to
place it on his head, he saw that the kitchen shutters
were put tn. Saw the man's face in the doorway fair
about two or three minutes; might be more or less. It
WS3 that of Patrick Reid. Afterwards went to M'Ken-
nal's and to Smithson's, and at the latter smoked some
tobacco, then to Flint's, and there remained for an hour
or three quarters, and from that straight home. Was
on the same day, afterwards, apprehended when on his
way to Chadwick's. Had heard, while at Flint's, of the
murder, and on hearing of it he made a statement. That
was before he had been home. Had known Reid by
sight for about five months, but did nut know his name.
Anew him " by the look" well.
Cross•examined—Came into court from the gaol, and
was sent to gaol along with the prisoner, but did not
know it was upon the charge of murdering these people.
Was examined three or four times as a prisoner. On the
12th first went to Flint's. They are wholesale dealers
in pots. First told his (witness's) lawyer, Mr. Watts,
that Reid was the man he saw at Wraith's. Told him
on the 18th or 19th of June. Flint asked him if he had
seen anything else at Wraith's. Did not tell Flint that
he had seen " lots of blood "on the floor. Did not say
that he had heard " groans, and heavy groans;" but did
say that he had heard an exhausted moan. On the next
morning Mr. Green, the inspector, came to him, at about
four, in the lock-ups. Did not then say to Green, "Mr.
Green, I wish to tell you how it was that I was at that
house where the murder was committed." Did not tell
him that the man he saw was a tall, good-looking man,
nor that the man kept the door open about three inches;
he said six inches. Did not know what he (lid say to
Mr. Green. Did not tell him that he (witness) was
alarmed, and thought that the man would knock his
head off. Had said that Mr. Flint stated that it was
not certain if it were a murder, or whether all the family
had been killed by a thunder-storm. Had alas said
that he thought the blood might have been caused
by their " killing fowls for a feast;" and also, that
the moans he heard might have been those of the
old lady in illness, and the strange man who
opened the door the person attending on her. But
witness did not, in fact, think they were killing fowl,,
nor did he think the strange man to be attending the
old lady, because there was a servant in the house.
When at Chadwick's, after being at Wraith's, witness
did strike his hand down on the table, and exclaim, " I
have missed it, I have missed it—that man is gone, and
lam here." At first, did not tell Green of the prisoner
being the man, because he was not then sure of the mar.
Was not sure it was Reid until the evening of the 12. h.
Required time to consider, though he knew pri,oner',
tace. Could not see the whole of his face :aheti he
opened the door. Only saw one side of it. When the
prisoner was at first brought, witness told Green 'hat
he (witness) did not know him ; and first told Mr.
Watts, his (witness's) attorney, on the 19th or 20th o'
June, that he knew Reid to be the man. Knew nothing
of the piece of garter now shown to hire, and said to be
found at his (witness's) house. Had never had it in his
hand before to day. Made two statements to Greer.
yesterday (June 18th), and then, for the first time, said
that he had seen Reid standing near to Mr. Wrath's,
cith two other men, on the day of the murder.
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Mr. Green recalled—Was asked as to several of the
assertions just made by M'Cebe, and dlrectlycontradicted
some of the material of them.
John Hey worth (constable), Jonathan Ashton, and
John Wraith were examined, and proved the finding of
the things in the well, and the fitting of the key to the
kitchen door-lock.
A mason, named Dawson, said that he had paid Mr.
Wraith a sovereign and sixteen half crowns on Monday,
the 18th May. He (Wraith) was that day at Wake-
field, and he then had a watch in his possession. And
a stepson of the deceased, named Parker, said he had
seen deceased counting some money in his parlour on the
11th, and saw a sovereign drop.
Charles Flint stated that M'Cabe did say he had heard
" groans, heavy groans," when at Wraith's. Witness
never heard any thunder at all. M'Cabe did also say on
the 12th that he had seen " lots of blood" on the floor.
Mr. Joshua Ellieekn,g(i)eniusargtslsmaalnounfea.cturer, was examined as
to the fabric of the garters. He said he did not think
them a pair, and that they were not made of the same
material precisely.
Several other witnesses were examined, who spoke to
seeing the prisoner in the neighbourhood of Wraith's on
the morning in question, and also as to his first wearing
a cap, and then going the other way with a hat. And
Benjamin Moreton, a hawker, spoke positively to seeing
both M`Cabe and the prisoner standing within sixty
yards of each other, very near Wraith's, just about the
time of the shower of rain before-mentioned.
Mr. W. West, a member of the Society of Friends,
and of the Royal Society, a chemist, from Leeds, was
called to show that there were some spots of human
blood on the clothes shown to him, and that there was
blood also on the key and the soldering iron. From
several experiments he had made he was decidedly of
opinion that there remained some portion of " animal
matter" upon the key and the iron. His experiments,
the witness said, had been made with such nicety and
care as even to anticipate his being deceived by any
perspiration which aright have been left on the metal.
Fibrin, a component part of the blood, was a component
which would resist the influence of the water.
Mr. Noble, governor of the gaol in the castle, said
that when Mr. Watts, M'Cabe's attorney, came to see
M`Cabe, Reid asked him (witness) what had passed
between Mr. Watts and *Cabe. He (Mr. Noble) said
that he did not know, but that it was thought by the
public that there must have been more than two persons
engaged in the murder. The prisoner then made a re-
mark, which he (Mr. Noble) was not sure of being able
exactly to repeat: it was either that " there was no
others in it, or none knew about it but them two." Ile
used the word them. No, net the word "them," but.
" us"—" us two." Prisoner asked " what he thought of
the case," and witness said, in reply, that he thought he
was in a very serious predicament, for if the jury found
him guilty he would be sure to be executed.
On cross-examination, Mr. Noble said he could not
be perfectly sure of the words the prisoner used as to
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the persons " knowing of it." lie had not expected at
the time to be a witness. He spoke from his impression
merely.
IN reith Green, great nephew of Mr. Wraith, and Rose
Ann Hellas, of Mirfield, stated, the first, the circum-
stances of the prisoner's quarrel with the female servant,
Caroline Ellis, just before Christmas last ; and the
second, that about last Eaoosftnemiryysshmtellshekad,,dt,amtaentt(hithe prisoner
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about thirty yards from the prisoner's father, had bor-
rowed the soldering iron now produced from the pri-
soner's father several times, and the last time it was on
the 11th of April. Witness saw prisoner on the 11th
of May, and the soldering iron was then at witness's
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house, lying in a corner. Prisoner came in for it, and
said that his father wanted it. Witness's wife told him
mayur"diethr,,, and before it had been
where it was, and that he might take it. Prisoner then
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had been committed to gaol at Wakefield for desertion,
and thence transferred for six months to Gloucester.
witness, on
And also that he had been in gaol at Manchester, being
convicted of hawking without a license. Had, perhaps,
sometimes thrashed his wife, but never knew of her seek-
ing irefuge at the prisoner's house; and never accused
them (his wife and Reid) of being too intimate. There
were only himself and wife present when Reid came for
the iron. Did not know if any one else now in York bad
she is not here.
The wife corroborated Kitty's statement about Reid
ever seen the iron at his house. Mary Waldron had, but
coming for the iron, which she could identify with cer-
tainty. She had asked prisoner if he was " preparing
for the Daw.greon row that night (it having been said
that all the new-comers of the Irish there were to be
driven out of the place). She said to him, speaking of
the soldering iron which he had just taken up, that "any
person that got a blow with that would not know what
had happened to them." Prisoner thereupon waved the
iron, and said, " No, they will not."
Cross-examined—Never took refuge in prisoner's
house. Her husband had thrashed her many a time.
Thrashed her, she supposed, when she deserved it.
The case for the prosecution having closed at about
half-past three to-day,
Mr. Sergeant WILKINS proceeded to address the jury,
in a speech of about three hours, in which he showed his
usual ability, and which commanded profound attention
from a crowded audience.
The summing un occupied until nearly six, when the
jury retired, and they did not return into court until ten
minutes before nine this evening. They then begged to
ask a question of the Court, and came back into the box
for ;hat purpose.
The foreman was handing a written question to the
Learned Judge, when
His
.Loensetee said they had better read it out.
The foreman then, reading from the paper, said that
the jury wished to know whether, if the prisoner were
acquitted on the present indictment, he could again be
tried for the murders of the women, supposing that ad-
ditional evidence could he obtained? They did not now
think the evidence sufficient.
could not answer them, because it was not one
His LORDSHIP told them that that was a questitn
which he
whicb they at present could properly inquire into.
The foreman—Then, my Lord, I don't think we shall
ever agree.
His LORDSHIP said he supposed they must have
been making a mistake, because in the present trial