The Sun.
London, England, 1847-02-03 00:00:00

POOR-LAW.

The Duke of RICHMOND presented a petition from
Rye union against the Poor Removal Bill; the petitioners
stating that it was both expensive and inconvenient.
They -believed that the effect of this Bill would be, that
it would induce landlords to pull down cottages, and
thus large numbers of persons would be crowded into
the cottag( s that remained, and much immorality
must of necessity arise. He was disposed to move for
a select committee cn this subject ; but he saw that a
Committee had been moved for in another place.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said there was no .ob-
jeetion to the select committo e.
The Duke of RICIIMOND was glad to hear it.
DRAINAGE OF LANDS.

The NOBLE DuKu said that two years ago a Select
Cor...tnittte had been appoii& d for considering the
subject of the drainage of lands, and it was supposed
that this drainage was not to be compulsory on the
landlords, and that it referred to Ireland more than to
England; but that was a mistake in both instances, for
it was actually more for England than Ireland, and the
Bill did not at all consider the consent of the land-
lords. From having a cold, he presumed he was
last night misunderstood, for he was represented
as saying that he was desirous of reducing the
effect of the law of entail, whereas precisely the con-
trary was the case. He should move for the reappoint-
ment of the same Select Committee, with the addition
of Lord Langdale, who bad paid much attention to the
subject.

Lord BROUGHAM hoped his Noble Friend would
urge the subject of entail on the Committee. _

The Duke of RICHMOND would certainly make
that one of the earliest subjects.
The Committee was granted.
DISTILLATION OF SPIRITS FROM SUGAR.
Lord STANLEY presented petitions from the distil.
lers of the county of Wicklow, and other places, where
the proposed measures of the Government had created
much alarm, as it was believed that distillation from
sugar would materially affect the interests of the estab-
lishments in Ireland. Unless the measure were free
from the defects which it presented at present, he did
not apprehend any great good would arise from it. If,
however, it operated whether for good or harm, it must
materially affect the British and colonial producers,
and those interested in breweries and distilleries. He
had no wish to prolong the discussion of the question
at present, but he rose only to express a hope that the
measure would not be proposed as a permanent one,
without the fullest consideration, and all parties having
an opportunity of fully stating their.case, and having it
considered by their Lordships. There was one point to
which he wished at present to call the attention of the
Noble Lord, the President of the Board of Trade. It was
in reference to the Act of last session, by which the duty
on sugar raised in the colonies was reduced to 14s. per
cwt. and that on foreign sugar fixed at 21s. This was
a differential duty of 75., which was gradually,
year by year, to be reduced until 1851, when
they were to become equal. If sugar was
introduced into use in breweries and distilleries now, it
would be principally foreign that would be employed.
Now, if sugar at 21s. a cwt. could now be employed in
these works and compete with malt, what would
be the effect in 1851, when the duty was
equalised ? Would it not give the grower
of foreign sugar a great advantage over the home pro-
ducer. This was a matter to which he earnestly called
the consideration of the Noble Lord the President of
the Board of Trade. He would not say what
course should be adopted, but he submitted
that no measure of a permanent nature should
be agreed to, unless they were satisfied that the
various interests concerned were fully consulted and con-
sidered. They might adopt one of the two following
courses : they might alter the scale of duty of last year,
so as to keep the 21s. duty permanent, or they
might reduce the duty on malt, year by year, till such
time as the two duties were equalised. He would con-
clude by asking the Noble Lord, the President of the
Board of Trade, whether he had any objection to pro-
duce the report of the Commissioners appointed to in-
quire into the employment of sugar in breweries and
distillerli s.
The Earl of CLARENDON said he would state in a
day or two whether the report could be produced without
inconvenience to the proceedings of the Government.
With respect to the measures proposed, he assured the
Noble Lord that nothing would be done without full
consideration of all interests concerned.
IRISH POOR-LAWS.

Lord BROUGHAM rose to complain of what had
been reported of him the previous night, in the state•
ment he had made respecting the poor•laws in Ireland.
The newspaper "press were generally very ac-
curate in their reports, but, at the pre-
sent time, when so much feierish anxiety prevailed
in Ireland repecting the proceedings of their Lordships,
it was right that the most accurate aeccun s should be
published In the present instance words had been
attributed to him which he had never spoken.—(Hear.)
In presenting the petition from Liverpool he c irefully
abstained from giving any opinion on the matter to
which it had reference. What he said was that a
proposition had been made that the support of such
immif;rants should fall on Irish mortgagees. Whether
it fell on the Irish landlord or not was an entirely dif-
ferent question, on which he avoided, as he had said,
giving any opinion, because if they were to
throw the expense entirely on mortgagees it would be
only a tax upon the landlords in the name of the mort-
gagees.
BUCK WHEAT, &c., IMPORTATION BILL.

Messengers from the Commons brought up this Bill,
which, on the motion of the Marquis of LANSDOWNE,
was read a first time.

POOR-LAW (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord STANLEY wished to ask a question of the
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Parliament, which would, no doubt,. giveincreased
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that the whole subject of
Bill. He, therefore, thought .
and of Ireland
the poor-law settlement of countrythis
of their Lordships.
should he brought reviewunderhtheei,
or. law Commission was
principal machinery in carranmgisosuintntehres'lrish Poor-law
He also understood that t
otherefore, wished
the intention of the Go-
vernmentto know whether it was
Commission, whether the
I remodel that
to re-m
Commission would be independent of the
Irish Poor-law
a whether the way in which this re-
English one,;
proposedand
to take place would be laid
modelling
.was
befere the Bill which would
before their Lordships
on the
those increased powers Commission.
about to be re-modelled. He, .
confer
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE was understood
that it was the intention of the Go
nt to remodel the Poor-law Commission.
to say
Iv3eurtnrencould not state then whether the management of
the poor-laws of both countries would be placed
under the control of one' Commissioner. The
Bill to which the Noble ford referred was not
of a temporary, but of a permanent nature. There was
not the same urgent necessity for the passing of the
measure as of others. It would be before their Lord-
ships at the earliest p9ssible periud.
The conversation then dropped.
EDUCATION.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, on Friday he
should lay before their Lordships a minute adopted by
the Committee of the Privy Council, and on that
day he would state certain alterations and additions
which the Committee had suggested for the purpose of
expending the funds voted by Parliament for the purpose
of national education.
The NOBLE MARQUIS laid on the table a copy of the
correspondence which had taken place between this
country and Austria, Russia, Prussia, and Switzer-
land, in 1845. Also a copy of the treaty concluded
between this country and the King of the Sandwich
Islands, which, he was happy to state, had been made on
the best possible terms.—(Laughter.)
INTERN ATION AL C OPYRIGHT.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid upon the table
of the House the concession of the King of Saxony to
the treaty of international copyright, concluded between
her Britannic Majesty and the King of Prussia in the
year 1846.

Iheir Lordships then adjourned till Thursday next.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Feb. 2.
The SPEAKER took the Chair a few minutes before
Four o'clock.

SECOND READINGS.
The following Bills were read a second time:—
Birmingham, Wolverhampton, and Stour Valley Rail-
way (No. 1) (Smethwick
General Terminus and Glasgow Barbour Railway
Branches.
Liskeard and Caraion Railway.
Lynn and Ely, Ely and Huntingdon, and Lynn and
Dereham Railways Amalgamation.
Norfolk Railway (Yarmouth Extension, &c.)
Shropshire Union Railways and Canal (Lease to the
London and North-Western Railway Company).
LYNN AND NORWICH BRANCH RAILWAY

BELL.
The report of the Standing Orders' Committee was
brought up. The standing orders had been complied
with.

GLASGOW AND GREENOCK (CALEDONIAN)

RAILWAY BILL.

It was reported-that the standing orders, so far as
this railway is concerned, ought to be dispensed with.
ROCHESTER AND MILTON RAILWAY BILL.
The standing orders have been complied with.
ROCHDALE WATERWORKS.
The Bill for these works was introduced.
ILLICIT DISTILLATION.
Mr. BROTHERTON presented several petitions from
temperance societies, complaining of the extent of illicit
distillation.
TEN HOURS' BILL.
Mr. OCTAVIUS DUNCOMBE presented a petition
from Huddersfield in support of the Ten Hours' Factory
Bill.
OPENING OF THE PORTS.
Mr. MARK PHILIPS presented a petition from
the Corporation of Manchester for opening the ports
and the suspension of the navigation laws.
MAGISTERIAL OPPRESSION.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from a
person of the name of Roberts, a solicitor, and also from
another of the name of Cropper, who, with three others,
had been engaged as servants, and had left their places
in consequence of their masters not having complied
with the terms of their engagements. These persons
had been apprehended at Sheffield on a Saturday even-
ing, and had been keptlin custody all the Sunday, with-
out being permitted to communicate with their friends.
Two of them were put upon their trial by the magis-
trates, having previously sent for the assistance of the
Chancery solicitor ; but before he arrived they
had been sentenced to three months' imprisonment. Mr.
Roberts begged the magistrates tc.) grant a new trial, but

it was refused, and the two other persons charged with
' the offence were subsequently sentenced to the game
M (Mr. Duncornte) had to ask the Thght
c-,-;,:try 'of .`t,itc, for 111. E:ne Pcyartfr.;:nt
for the names of the magistrates, with a view to e,'utain
an explanation of their conduct, which he .considered
unjust, illegal, and oppressive in the extreme. There were
alSo four petitions from the wives of those parties, pray-
ing for inquiry into the c:rcanistances by that llouse.
He moved that these petitions be printed with the votes,
in order to facilitate,that inquiry.
EXETER, YEOVIL. A ND DORCHESTER
RAILWAY.
The Bill for this line was read a first time.
THE ANDOVER UNION.
Mr. ETWALL gave notice, that on Tuesday, the
16th instant, he would bring under the consideration of
the Howe the evidence taken before the Andover Union
Committee last session, with the report made upon the