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molly was then gone through of excluding Mr. O'Connell
from L'arliament; but who would advocate the imitation
of that ungracious part of the measure?—(Loud cries of
" Divide.") The same Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr.
Goulbure) had urged that it JeWs were admitted to the
Legislature it would have n most injurious effect on
the exertions of those who were engaged in promoting
Christianity in our Indian empire. The Right Hon.
Gentleman ought to have been the last man to use that
argument; for he himself, in 1830, had carried to the foot
of the Throne a petition from Jamaica, praying for the
emancipation of the Jews in that colony. This was
granted; and what had been the effect? Jews were
admitted to the House of Assembly in that colony, and,
so far from seeking to extinguish Ohristianity, they had
actually burdened themselves with the payment of
83,000/. a year or tho support of churches and schools.
—(Hear, hear.) Never let it be supposed that the reli-
gion of the country would be injured by the admission
to the Legislature of men who worshipped the same
God as ourselves.—(Hear, hear, and loud cries of
" Divide, divide.") He hoped for the indulgence of
the Howse, being in rather a peculiar position.—
(Hear, hear.) To a certain extent there was a preju-
dice against the Jews, though that prejudice, he rejoiced
to say, :bad not found expression in that House. They
were said to be the descendants of those who had
crucified the Saviour, who had prayed that his blood
might be on them and on:their children. But, let it be
remembered, that divines had said that Judaism was in-
fant Christianity; and that prophecy told us the Jews
were to be persecuted by wicked nations, but to have
mercy shoWn them by the good. While admitting that
the Jews in England might be the descendants of the
murderers of Christ, he remembered that the Saviour
himself, in the agonies of death, had besought forgive-
ness fur his crucifiers. And, if we would imitate his
example, let us not show ourselves persecutors of any
of our brethren, but rather adopt the scriptural maxim,
" to do justice and love mercy."—(Hear.)
Mr. 0. MAHON fully coincided in the justice and
propriety of the proposition of the Government, that
henceforth there should no longer remain in this House
or in the State the stigma consequent upon disquali-
fication on the ground of religious belief. Every
argument which had been advanced against that
proposition he had heard sixteen years ago used
against the admission of Roman Catholics to Parlia-
ment. They had then refused to receive the representa-
tive he and his fellow-electors had returned because he
happened to be of a religion different from that which
wus in favour with the majority of the House, until, by
an organisation he had been instrumental in forming,
they had been obliged to admit him.—(Hear.) The
case was the same now—they refused Mr. Rothschild
because he differed ,from them in religion .; and, if the
people of London resembled the people of Clare, they
would organize themselves and bring their Member to
the House, backed by such a force of public opinion as
they dare not resist. Let not the lion. Member for Ox-
ford University, whom he valued and loved so much----1
(Hear, and a laugh)—for the friendship he had evinced
to himself, and for his undeviating consistency,' suppoie
that if _he had not been unprotestantised by his con-
tact with him (Mr. 0. Mahon), a Roman Catholic, that
there would be any danger to the Christian character :of
Parliament, because some three or four Jews might
come amongst them.
Lord J. RUSSELL—Sir, before this debate comes to
a close I wish to explain to the House, in a few words,
the precise object of the motion which I intend to
make, and of the resolution which I wish to propose in
a Committee of the whole House.—(Hear, hear.) The
Right lion. Gentleman who supported with great
ability last night the motion which I urn about to make,
asked me to state the precise character of the measure
which I intend to propose, and if it was intended, in ex-
empting the Jews frann declarieg on the faith of a
Christian, it was intended also to exempt Christians from
the declaration which they now make? In fact, as stated
by the Noble Lord the Member for King's Lynn to-night,
the eords, " on the faitleag eaeshristian," are contained
ire thiS-Piraelit-uht declaiatiOxi; butbut`in the Roman
declaration the words do not ocuur; and what I propose
is, to leave the Protestant oath as it now stands,
ending " on the faith of a Christian," to leave the Ca-
tholic oath as it is now taken, and to make the Jews'
oath nearly the same as the oath taken by the Catholics,
to which the Jews have no objection, omitting, of course,
the declaration has to the power of the Pope, which
would be unnecessary in the jewish oath. The resolu-
tion which I intend to propose is " That it is expedient
to remove all civil disabilities at present existtng, us
affeeting her Majesty's subjects of the JeWish religion,
with the like exceptions as are provided with respect to
her Majesty's subjects of the Catholic religion "----
(11ear, hear, and cheers) —and the Bill will be founded
upon that resolution, 'which is the same as the resolu-
tion which was introducedlinto this House by Sir Robert
Grant-in 1833. I must say, in reference to the observa-
tions of the Hon. Baronet, the Member fur the Univer-
sity of Oxford, thut I propose to retain• so many of the
words of the present declaration as contain a sanction,
but not those that would apply as a test; and let me
here remark that a . greut deal of confusion has
existed between using an oath as a sanction
and as a test. When you ask a Christian to swear
on the -New Testament, or a Jew to swear on the
Old Testament, you ask either to swear in the
manner which will be most obligatory on his conscience
as a sanction; but it is quite a different case if you use
an oath as a test to persons not before eligible to a cer-
tain civil right.—(Hear, hear.) I should not have felt
it necessary to say any more on this occasion if the Hon.
and-teamed Recorder of London bad not, in answering
my speech; made some observations to which I have no
objection, for every part of my speech is fairly open to
his criticism, but which it is proper that I should refer.
to. The Hon. and Learned Gentlemen took the oppor-
tunity of that criticism to make a statement with regard
to the late election for the city of London, in which
statement I can assure him he was grievously in error.
The Hon. and. Learned 'Gentleman stated that because I
was elected in 'connexion With Baron Rothschild, and
owed my election. tO that circumstance, I brought in the
present Bill. Now, the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
ought to be better acquainted with the city of London
their to fall into that •error—(Laughter.)—and I
can assure him that he is mistaken in both
his statements. Many of those who were my
opponents in 1841, as the Honourable and
Learned Gentleman might have heard, stated that they
were not disposed to oppose my election on the last oc-
casion if the gentleman who was my colleague in the last
Parliament was again returned' with me, and if they
were, 'on the other hand, allowed to return two Members,
professing their views and politics. I, knowing the
trouble and difficulty of a contested election, ansi feeling
the unpleasantness of a person holding my position being
opposed in a party contest to those whom I might after-
wards represent, would, I confess, have been better satis-
fied iflB4l stated, as political par-
ties are under such circumstances Alen apt to state, that
punywhono returned contest
m e i prty tooka
place—(Laughter),—bnt the
they were the strongest, and that they would not be sa-
tisfiedvillewlase:sagreeing with their poli-
ticaland that I should be one
bo candidatesproposed,
of them. I thought myself bound to agree to that
311 Should
proposition, and proceed with the contest, and so far
from Baron Rothschild cooling forward being an ad-
vantage •to me at thut election, it was a disad-
vantage, and only that I felt that the honour
of being a representative of the. city of London
'was an honour to a hich he might justly aspire,
I should be more disposed, when lie asked my opinion,
to tell him. to havanothing at all to do with the eke-
tion.—(Laughter.) But when he spoke to me upon the
subject I told him to come forward if ho pleased.—
(Hear, hear, and cheers.) The Hon. and Learned
Member is totally in error in supposing that I brought
in this resolution in consequence of that election. Since
1830 I always voted in favour of similar propositions,
and when the question of the removal of Jewish dis-
abilities was before the House on former occasions, I
always voted in favour of' that removal.—(Hear, hear.)
When I came into office in 1846, a deputation from the
Jews waited upon me, to ask me if it was my intention
to bring in any measure to relieve them. I answered
that I could not pledge myself to any special measure
which they :night desire, but that if they would be con-
tented with the introduction of a measure in the form
winch I thought most expedient, I could have no hesita-
tion in saying that I would bring in a measure of that
description. To this they consented; and it was in con-
sequence of that deputation, and what then took place,
that I brought in the resolution which I propose to the
House.—(Cheers.)
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For going into Committee
Against it
Majority
—67
The House thou went into Committee, and the reso-
lution was agreed to,
Sir R. INGLIS said that, after what had taken place,
it was not his intention to proceed to a division on the
first reading, and he should be most unwilling to be a
party to any suah proceedings; but he hoped his Noble
Friend would give them time to reconsider the measure
when it cause on for a second reading, and allow this
Christian country. to pronounce on the violence and al-
most outrage which the present Bill would perpetrate
upon it.—(Hear.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that if the House al-
lowed him, he proposed to read the Bill a first time on
Monday, and would not propose the second reading till
after the recess, He proposed to take the second
reading on Monday, the 7th of February, which would
allow six weeks for the consideration of its provisions.
His Honourable Friend said that this Christian coun-
try ought to express an 'opinion on the measure. He
imagined if the Bill received the assent of Parliament
that the country would be neither more nor less a
Christian country than at present, composed, as it was,
of several millions of Christians and 30,000 or 40,000
Jews.—(Hear, hear.) Unless his llon. Friend expelled
the Jews, as the Moriscocs were expelled from Spain,
he could not increase the Christian character of the
country.—(Hear.)

IRISEI DISTRESS.
Major BLACKALL withdrew the motion which stood
ou the paper, in his name for a Committee to consider the
subject of Irish distress before the adjournment or-the
House.

BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Lord J. RUSSELL stated that he would move the
adjournment of the House on Monday, after moving the
second reading of the New Zealand 13111.
NEW HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT.
Sir R. INGLIS moved the appointment of the Com-
mittee on the new llouses of Parliament.
Mr. OSBORNE said that the House ought to know
something of the great expenditure of money which had
taken place without any authority from that House. In
the report of 1844 Mr. Barry was charged with having
broken his contract, and laid out large sums for which he
had no authority.
Lord MORPETH hoped that the House would agree
to the motion for the appointment of the Committee.
Tho returns which had been moved for would be laid on
the table of the House on Monday next.
Lord R. GROSVENOR hoped that some other Mem-

1 ber would be substituted for him, as by had other Com-
) mittees to attend to.

Dr. BOWRING thought that there should be a dis-
cussion on the subject before the House agreed to the
Committee.

Mr. MILNES said it was impossible that a great
work of art, to be worthy of their age and country,
could be accomplished if the artist was restricted as to
means or time. He did not think that any time or
country could boast of having produced so great a work
of art i❑ such a short time as it had been done by Mr.
Barry.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. FORSTER asked why there had been so much
delay in presenting the returns, which had been asked
for so lung ago as the 13th April?
Mr. AGLIONBY said it wits a matter for Pslrliament,
rather than for the Committee, to inquire into this
matter. He would recommend, therefore, the postpone-
ment of the motion for the Committee.

Mr. WAKLEY moved that the debate be adjourned.
Lord MORPETH had only one word to say. The
Member for Middlesex had said on a former occasion,
and had repeated to-night, that the expenditure upon
the Houses had amounted to a million and a half. Now,
he was authorised by the architect to say that, whilst his
original estimate was 707,0001., the whole expenditure
o❑ the works in that estimate up to the present time
amounted to 808,000/.

Mr. B. OSBORNE (vehemently)—Excess—excess—
excess.

Lord MORPETH—No, not excess.—(Hear.)
Lord LINCOLN said the course pursued towards Mr.
Barry was most unfair, ungenerous, and unprecedented,
and especially so towards a professional man, whose live-
lihood was dependent upon his reputation. The Mem-
ber for Middlesex came down there with an enormous
pile of books and papers, and on the very eve of the
close of the House made serious charges against Mr.
Barry, who of course could not answer them until the
House met after six weeks' recess. One of the charges he
would at once repel. Last night the Hon. Member
charged Mr. Barry with having conducted works with.
out Parliamentary direction, and with having paid
money for them without Parliamentary sanction. That
charge was investigated by two Committees in 1844, and
was found to be wholly groundless. Every alteration
made in the plans had been laid before the Woods and
Forests, and been approved by the Commissioners before
being carried into effect. He hoped, that in fairness to
Mr. Barry and all concerned, the matter wonld be
allowed to rest over until the House met in February.
Mr. AGLIONBY thought, upon the whole, that the
Noble Lord's suggestion had better be adopted. With
respect to what Lord Morpeth said, he believed that
Noble Lord was mistaken. He believed the expenditure
on the works had been as much as 1,269,000 t, and that
that was not the entire amount spent.
Mr. B. OSBORNE said he would accede to Lord Lin-
coln's suggestion. He disclaimed any intention to attack
Mr. Barry. Ho attacked the Woods and Forests for
negligence and want of supervision.
Lord MORPETH rejoiced, that they had arrived at a
solution of the question at last, and he rejoiced also at
the unequivocal acquittal pronounced by the Hon.
Member for Middlesex of Mr. Barry, as far as his honour
and character were concerned. With regard to what was
said by Mr. Aglionby, he should bo able to provo him-
self correct when the proper time arrived.
The motion and amendments were then withdrawn.
CITY OF DUBLIN ELECTION.

Mr. HAMILTON had a petition to present from his
Hon. Friend Mr. Grogan, a Member of that House,
complaining of the same error in the recognizances en-
tered into by the petitioners against his return as had
occurred in the case which had been considered in the
early part of the evening. He gave notice that he should
call the attention of the House to the subject on Monday
and move that the petition be referred to a Committee.
The House adjourned at Half-past One.

FnOM THE LONDON GAZETTE OF
FRIDAY.
ST. JAMES'S PALACE, DEC. 12, 1847.

The Queen has been pleased to appoint Edwin Saun
ders, Esq., to be Dewtist in Ordinary to her Majesty.

WHITEHALL, DEc. 13.

The Queen has been pleased by letters patent under
the great seal of the United Kingdom to nominate, con-
stitute, and appoint Charles Buller, Esq., to be a Poor-
law Commissioner for Ent!land.
CROWN-OFFICE, DEC. 16.

MEURER/ RETURNS° TO =RYE IN THE PRESENT PAR.

LIA11:8NT.

Borough of Liskeard—Charles Buller the younger, of
Chester-place, in the county of Middlesex, Esq., one of
the Commissioners for administering the poor-law in
Enghtnd. _ _

Borough of Weymouth—The lion. Frederick Wil•
Liam Child Villiers, in the room of William Dougal
Christie, Esq., who has accepted the office of Steward oi
her Majesty's Chiltern Hundreds.
. _

City-of Edinburgh—Charles Cowan, of Valley-field,
in the county of Edinburgh, Esq.
WAR-OFFICE, DEC. 17.
2d Regiment of Life Guards—Lieutenant William
Augustus Tollemache to be Captain, by purchase, vice
Boyce. promoted ; Cornet and Sub-Lieutenant William
Hamilton Greville to be Lieutenant by purchase, vice
Tollemache ; Charles Hayes Miller. Gent., to be Cornet
and Sub-Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Greville, Dec. 17.
Ist Regiment of Foot—Brevet-Major Henry Phipps
Raymond to be Major. by purchase, vice• Bennett, who
retires ; Lieutenant John Edward Sharp to be Captain,
by purchase, aloe Raymond; Ensign Edwara. Hamilton
Finney to be Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Sharp;
Charles James Phillipps, Gent., to be Ensign by pur-
chase, vice Finney, Dec. 17.
4th Foot—Surgeon Thomas Galbraith Logan, M.D.,
from the 53d Foot, to be Surgeon, vice Dartnell, who
exchanges, Oct. 11.
10th Foot—Captain George Frederick Moore, from
the 28th Foot, to be Captain, vice Gorle, who exchanges,
Nov. G.

18th Foot Major Francis Williams Dillon to be
Lieutenant Colonel, without purchase, vice Cowper,
deceased; Brevet-Major Francis Wigston to be Major,
vice Dillon ; Lieutenant John Joseph Wood to be'
Captain, vice Wigston ; Ensign Edward Jones to be
Lieutenant, vice Wood, Dec. 7; Ensign George Augustus
Elliot, from the 44th Foot, to be Ensign, vice Jones,
Dec. 17.

22d Foot—Lieutenant Frederick George Moore, from
the 28th Foot, to be Lieutenant, vice Ussher, who ex-
changes, Oct. 1.

251 Foot—Gentleman Cadet William Henry Newell-
ham, from the Royal Military College, to be Ensign,
without purchase, vice M'Beath, deceased, Dec. 17.
28th Foot—Captain John Taylor Gorle, from the
10th Foot, to be Captain, vice Moore, who exchanges;
Lieutenant John Theophilus Usaher, from the 22d Foot,
to be Lieutenant, vive Moore, who exchanges, Oct. 1.
44th Foot—Gentleman Cadet Julius George Mangen
Strode, from the Royal Military College, to be Ensign,
without purchase, vice Elliot, appointed to the 18th
Foot, Dec. 17.

53,1 Foot—Surgeon Nelson Dartnell, from the 4th
Foot, to be Surgeon, vice Logan, who exchanges, Oct. 11.
76th Foot—George Anderson Wilkinson, Gent., to be
Assistant-Surgeon, vice Wallace, deceased, Dec. 17.
84,11 Foot—Lieutenant John Willington Monck to be
Adjutant, vice Seymour, promoted, Dec. 17.
86th Foot—Lieutenant Charles Fade Heady to be
Paymaster, vice Ormond, deceased; Lieutenant Ormond
Fitz Gerald, from the Cape Moulded Riflemen, to be
Lieutenant, vice Heatly, appointed Paymaster, Dec. 17.
93d Foot—Ensign Robert Eglintpn Seton to be Lieu-
tenant, by purchase, vice M'Denald, promoted in the
37th Foot; John Millar Bannatyne, Gent., to be Ensign,
by purchase. vice Seton, Dec. 17.
84th Foot.—Ensign James Buchanan, to be Lieute-
nant, without purchase, vice Cardew, deceased, Aug. 25;
Ensign Norcliffe Bendyshe Walton to be Deuce-
nant by purchase, vice H. W. Cleveland, who retires ;
Donald Macleod. Farrington, Gent., to be Ensign, by
purchase, vice Walton, Dec. 17 ; Jon Edmund Whaite,
Gent., to be Ensign, vice Buchanan, Dec. 18.
2d West India Regiment—Lieut. J. Warren Glubb to
be Captain, without purchase, vice Campbell, deceased ;
Ensign Alexander John Blair Child, to be Lieutenant,
vice Glubb, Oct. 26 ; Samuel Sexton, Gent., to be En-
sign, vice Child ; Lieut. J. M`Donagh to be Adjutant,
vice Harper, who resigns the Adjutancy only, Dee. 17.
Ceylon Rifle Regiment—Second Lieutenant Charles
Caldwell Grantham to be First Lieutenant, without pur-
chase, vice Irwin, appointed to the 18th Foot; Lieu,
tenant Francis Taylor, from hair-pay 46th Foot, to be
Lieutenant, vice Adams, appointed to the 49th Foot, Dec.
17; Second Lieutenant Charles Peregrine Teesdale
to be First Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Taylor,
who retires, Dec. 18; James Winterbottom, Gent., to
be Second Lieutenant, vice Grantham, Dec. 17; Walter
Henry Long, Gent., to be Second Lieutenant, by pur-
chase, vice Teesdale, Dec. 18.

Cape Mounted Riflemen—Lieutenant William Henry
Emerson, from. half-pay 39th Foot, to be Lieutenant,
vice Fitz Gerald, appointed to the BGth Foot, Dec. 17.
HosprrAL STAFF. - Frederick Augustus Kingdon,
M.D., to be Assistant Surgeon to the Forces. Dec. 17.
Erratum in the Gazette of Oct. 14, 1842.-44th Foot—
For Lieut. William Evans to be Captain, vice Robinson,
killed in action, Oct. 14, 1842, read, Lieutenant William
Henry Dodgin to be Captain, vice Robinson, killed in
action, Nov. 15, 1841; and Lieutenant William Evans
to be Captain, vice Dodgin, killed in action, Oct. 14,
1842.

MEMORANDUM.—The names of the gentleman ap-
pointed to the Coldstream Regiment of Foot Guards,
on the 10th instant, are Arthur John Bethell Thel.
lusson.

OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, DEC. 16.
Reptl Regiment of Artillery—Major General Thomas
John Forbes to be Colonel Commandant, vice Lieute-
nant• General Sir Joseph Carncross, 1i.C.8., deceased,
Dec. 8.

Commission by the Lord-Lieutenant of Merionethshire.
Royal Merionethshiro Rift.) Corps of Militia—The
Hon. Edward Mostyn Lloyd Mostyn to be Lieutenant-
Colonel, Dec. 14.

ADMIRALTY, DEC. 14.
Corps of Royal Marines—John Burstead Seymour,
Gent., to be Second Lieutenant, Dec. 9; Arthur John
Stuart, Gent., to be Second Lieutenant, Dec. 14.
ADMIRALTY, Drc. 17.
The following promotions have this day taken place,
consequent upon the death of Vice-Admiral Peter Ri-
bouleau, on the 16th instant :
Vice-Admiral of the Blue John Wight, to be Vice-Ad-
miral of the White.
Rear -Admiral of the Red Sir Charles Richardson,
to be Vice-Admiral of the Blue.
Rear-Admiral of the White Charles James Johnston to
be Rear-Admiral of the Red.
Rear-Admiral of the Blue Thomas Searle CB to
, • ~ be
Rear-Admiral of the White.
Captain Edward Harvey to be Rear-Admiral of the
Blue.

WHITEHALL, Nov. 20.
The Lord Chancellor has appointed William Dowell
Wasinough, of %Vantage, in the county of 13urks, Gent.,
to be a Master Extraordinary in the High Court of
Chancery.