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~_I4ORNING EDITION

Mr B
bad ' ELLEW---obaerved that erOry parish in his county,
Ahoilb'oettii,ore, d against the Bid of the N..b10 Lot d, stele
fete! hisrtor Nerth Lancashire. He- (Mc. Bello, ) 01.
laudi a tl;'acks to the. Noble. Lord, the Seoretalry forsoire-
thefor B:11 he had that night moved for leave
in-
good ns he bdieved it would be productive of
areidin Ireland. Nothing but ad, finiticn of the franchise
d (.4.,e. ,
Iran ..i. t the object they had in view, aahiclrwas to
hobo4'llir the n rods of the people of Ireland. The
Lord
Pretend, d the Member fn.; North L.anc,..,ahliore.avas,seofr
tram ' to be, sadly afraid of any extension f.xliii:.esi.o _
tlii" ..a th' People of Ireland ; hut had he evert .
~
miry, w'heicshligil,lstedstf,trrior
lat the - "tt;on of the ten ir„rs.,
evel' mea.," and.
for political of-
:ft,ltriee;2 a, they%ePreacellsleind.r")e '1
-','o-r
the sake of Ireland
ffrta'tice, he trusted that a fair conai.lcration would he
aill'el to the Bill of the Noble Secretary for Ireland,
all' rerrard to any arty triumph. If that were
Ittot done" it weull craptt.ta in the minds of the
n")fPle of Iraland, even in the minds of those who were
, fay of the union ef the twocountries, an estr tngement,
avi;P:ede'e,s, of itsular fee-ling, because they would be con-
that Htb't they had nothing snore to hope for from
swept_ puse.--their feeling in favour of the union would be
lious awayaw by despair. I-k trusted the conduct of the
mr. 11 still allow them to
.hope.
to
what had
fallen 0 CONNELL Foot with respect
sliiijhp_i
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pfeoßnri,,ig,l:dt with fl
entirely'tni Beaxruco
pin,.
poe
tnt
.;
ow nti
the
ofl: regardwiiiosrdoxt.otnof,, tterlhcri
were
p I,',ar,,,'lleetinas. he must remind the H Arse that its tre-
e, all the others that were prose.
.
than ed to entire obscurity, and that meeting could.
11e1,1 "Y he put in cornaariaon with the meeting lately Geri
fist, in Dublin, which was attended by Noblemen and
~,
purpsosl frnol all parts of Ireland, and that ler the express
0 eof opposieg the Bit of the Noble Lord op-
at the
to of
hear ) He was extremely delighted
ISateh:, Principle's of the Bill- introduced by the Noble
deta,;arY for Irelaad, and he sincerely trusted that its
latiq: !°41(I be worked out in such a manner as ton ~,..,.
rata „et" to the people of Ireland. The Hon. G-nt la
kieil-11)35i'ci howeaer, must not suppose that it gave un_
tar,`! -atisfaetion to Hon. Gentlemen on. that (tha Minis-
tf!!') side of the II atae, for they did not like that the; right
f
tenure franchise should at all depend upon the question of
80e,.:,* The Noble Lord epposite had taunted the., NG
fall lean} for Ireland that he had shrunk from goo.gthealso
had :,al4ll, expect( d front him, but the Noble Lord
daredaak from what was expected of him; he had not
thsi t° °lake or introduce into his Bill any definition c?
t ratteehisc• HQ would implore of the Noble Lord, if
fold:' had any effect, to avail himself of the gol len
for ire,n°w offered him in the B;11 of the Noble Secrcta y
'44 ,e“1"--lie we old implore him to give up his own 8.,11
taade'aPPort that of the Noble Lord ; for any step thatlwoesf
Iroaroulh,s Bill was adding to the disgust of the peopteers..
11" 4 'l4nd greatly increasing the numbers of I-ci-wad,
against I Nntile Lord said, he was pledged to the death
la rePeal, tat him take the best means in his 0.....
°f the
,h„.
eal ' question down—let him take up the. Hill
irp,e4le Lord the S:crethry for Ireland—let hire make
Ireland rt accerding to its spirit, and showy thePeoPi
He
tlidot that all justice was not to be denied them.i
for there that the Noble Lord would follow iisadvice,
liosoure was a short-sightedness about the policy, of the
lead t_ able Gentlemen epoosite, that he trusted would
az,. ' thcir destruction. 'He trusted, however--ay., h
. v'eted' that the H
nal)aid at on. Gentlemen on that (the Ministe.-
'Had , e of the House would give their zealous and unfdi-
lar,d ; 1,?Ploort to the Bill of the Noble Secretary for rei
by
thior a
; tac people of that country did not understand
erootea" rights should be given away by Parliamentary
. Was mad
,They were deeply disgusted by every stc p that
M,....`,.,4 the Bill of the Noble Lord.
Purpr;se sergeant JACKSON did not rise for the
daatio,, offering any opposition to the i -
Ira! ~...; cf the Bill of the Noble Secretary furbt
h, tal'.--nny, indeed, he rather rejoiced at it; o
Auld tidy
fully, hoped th it the time had come therewhen
Lord ~"4ve been an end to the attacks upon the Noble
_
Ir 1,,.,'," Member for North Lancashire, as the enemy of
the-re ; because now there was acknowledged abuse in
partkregistration of Ireland, and acknowledged by all
inten44 He rejoiced to see that the Noble. Lord
the fi • t° put an end to the certificate s) stem—
tee the source of fraud.—( Hear.) . Ho rejoiced
t.teo
regia,"3l Were to have an annual registry, whereby h
kovalear otdri be Purged of the names of t.ead Ten, t roe;
the N 1,7, ''. Lora he rej tire tonglso that to a certain ex elf
hailed (),uie was aoout ive a double appeal.. ,
!etre dcle II rs being introduced with a sincere desire to
'rigs t,,' a, scat evil. He could not accord the same feel-
oats, " tn which had formerly been introduced on the
dad fallenht'ci• He could not, however, agree in all that
tad r from the Noble Lord, but he was glad that he
I:ied ~,,,e'hr.4i,nrd from attempting to make that the law of the
44clepa 'eu hat been declared not to be the law by the
fraCehlC.l. , Ireland. He highly disapproved of the 5/,
rev .it would amount to nothing more than another_ th,a Otton such as they had had in 1832. However, all the 'lll3oints would be better discussed at a future stage of
bearded With respect to the attack which the Hon. and
OA, "e° Member for Dublin had made on a most respect-
teat dtnerither of the bar in Ireland, Mr. Blacket, he pro-
oaeem.,that he had nrrer heard even a rumour that he be-
saip,a,',to any Orange society, but he would pledge. him-
sty 6' ,t that gentleman had never gone his circuit
lwf
and Lrange badge upon his person. Probably the on.
of (2 el4rbed Member had confounded this with the case
t' ("nel 81' .ket, who had been dismissed from the
aoro._•_, dt et,
tuedlu'' .on of the Peace because his lady had been act-i
e:bee4L:et:fw tearingnrld
is th's' t lion. and Learned Member was the last person
to complain of any persons wearing badges,.
N wa: ev. .., aPpe arca in that House with one upon his coat.
letsod rl,lced to find that the Noble Lord opposite had.
had hue" his Bil ; and he did not regret to find that it
of thee',,i submitted to the House, conjointly with the Bill
then, ,``°blia Lord near hint. He trusted that, between
as e,:,,"'cland would receive a measure which would put
tev„-0" the abu,es which, was admitted upon all hands,
Mr.l' ted in the registration system in that country..
tiori it, O'CONNELL wished to say one word of explana-
He
orrafer,ence to a remark of the Learned. Gentleman..wa
Ora dis, ° Connell) did not mean to mention it by
any
aagetragernent to Mr. Blacket, that he had wornnour
on that :',d.e. He had merely referred to thetr,umoo.
dLe '4')Jvct, by way of illustration. It was tla
der
the f, arr,l'll Gentleman himaelf who seemed to con
Illa,-"C 1)1 wearing an ()ranee badge as injurious to Mr.
m et'a eharacier. bit iarro. S'srgeant JA CKSON said that he certainly thought
to th ng i'i any one to wear a badge which gave offence
sil?'',,:'Ple among whom he lived.—( Hear, hear.)
_,.,
trodu, .vP-LIERS STUART was rtj,iced at the it-
, it wat mof the Bill of the Noble Lord, as he thought
Iroarisd calculated to place the system of registration in
eie„,, °L.I a better f )(stifle He admitted the ineon-
Poseld;,(2',"f the existing system, which he considered op-
to lhe best interests of the country. But in at-
NI, a 4 ° amend it they should not introduce a new
tlo. If the,

pY should i_
oy. were party really a representative systvemr
.osaibi give the seeking to be registered c
theey claim. e facility for establishing his right, or else
ti,`trits would not defend it.
him©
thought that tb9
t'' lh4r t't the Noble Lord near him would put an end
ailole violent agitation which now prevailed in Ireland;
e
tEltii:ube was persuaded that an attempt to persevereinth
tile peoplere of the Noble Lord opposite would only induce
I; of ,
''fell. that country to ,truggle to have their Par-
t.,
_,‘ at.taiii in Dublin.—( Mmr, hear.) oppoehr.4 CLEMENTS vvished to caution the Noble Lord_
tho valje "t to conclude hastily against the fa rnr ss
_of
tir i -;'at ion adopted by his Nible Friend the Secreta y
iv" .:elt,lttl(b The valuation under the Poor-law was,
p"otilerilem.se. exceedingly low. The complaints of the
7 and i'''._°_,l'd. might have- been justified
. if his Noble
"th 1" ddopted the valuation of the Ordnance, which,
s‘lit. elt Other hand, was almost invariably abovethhee
(Lord r,i was certainly so in the county with which
tor, ‘-ternents) was connected. These persons, there-
tl'ornii,° miglit seem‘-
by the one s:,,stem to have perjured
irt their ter' might by the other have a EufEcient interest
11°t h 't'll's• He would also tell the Noble Lord, he did
144\ n.°,, whether it was his fault or that of his unpopu-
fr'ci;blitt,irel4nd, tut it was a fact that a Bill emanating
uFori :" oo flatter what were its provisions, was looked
Ppot:i'll;h_ distrust in that, country.—( Laughter from the
Htußh, t'sun benches ) Mat. Gentleman opposite migrhat.
feciin ,-,,t,it h
Alrg -e assured them that he expressed the gene I

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Ir. w
Ll:uhfide
N ARD thought he had the pleasure. of hearing
l° Lord (Stanley) say he letrhiesnTwiliwthiothatcothme.
}lance,is t:' ',he good ;mole of those within
i.relan; fl '4 he added that there was a stron feethli --'' m
Noble L avow. of it. Now it appeared
did r, i °rd's Bill was by no means an h.onestt
aotntee,mfpotr
to
Reap 'it meddle with the franchise, it did no tliffieli°."ith that difficulty, from which all these other
istri,-,,ttes had arisen. It appeared to him that coo
ty.
111, 1,1`",e question must he settled in the way proposeda j_
°"1 Ld t_ - Rhea • anu it P
l'eareci tue Secretary tor i,
p(hit to him, !
with ever respect to Noble Lord op-
''sit t,114t. i is remedy wasY
worse than the disease.
led 'of could asze.t, from a very general know-
rrelia°,l 'eland, that the Bill of the Noble Lord near
lisi lasses- been received by all the respectable and nifluen-
iikei ic Ireland as a useful Bill, and one which was
PsiNt,rit° meet the dernoral•zing system which had so 1U
org
l'eli orir,°l the mode of re ,istration in Ireland. lie
Rret":-. euwever, that the lower classes looked with re.
that at the passing of the measure. Those who thought
th„), titOligence and property ought to he represented-
-4e pe„?%.,l?° thought that a (,station and mob popularity should
teir.").;"°,sti, would suppl'ort.. the Bill of the Noble Lord
Lori"H°. It appeared to him that the Bill of the Noble
~at hi the Secretary for Ireland, was about to grant them
wow N.t short of universal suffrage. Ile confessed that he
esual(l rather have universal suffrage than that Bill, be-
taairit conferred the franchise upon every pauper in the
fer 4.);--( Hear, hear.) He repeated that he would pre-
esilledl by suffrage, for then they would have things
.
svg)iliti °Y their right names. He was satisfied that it
Irllndc°lnpletely stvallow the independent constituency of
The n.
tonal 3 ' CONNOR DON said that as far as his per-
,4l.. , bservation went, all classes in Ireland, both respect-
Lo'rdstid humble were opposed to the Bill of the Noble
alith the Member for Notth L inshire ; he hailed
that ghrFaLt pleasure the introdee ion of such d a measure as
rtearlime.' had just been announced by the Noble Lord
l'Etvo was then given to bring in the Bill.
Mr. Ltt RAILWAYS.
he in,•
-BO C7CHE lIE said, although
.the Bil which
r,iatednded to ask of the H ,use permission to introduce
th ~i, a subject of equal difficulty and importance, he
ti:11-- . not feel t
ircurnbent on him to occupy the atsen-
The°ft.the Reuse at.an • length on the present occasion.
w‘s (2°Ject of the Bill )which he sought leave to. bring in
House"' provide increased security for the public. The
hd
been provide agree with him, from the returns that a
41,4 'lid en the table, it Will incumbent on the G?vern-t
thett to consider whether by any interference on their part
415 Y, could h
p ill -Y any means alleviate the recurrence of ho
:i•-ng accidents which had created so much alarm in
. the
fere le mitld. zed if it appeared to the G3verament that
ainttoer7
ec,ii on their part would have a tendency to effect Inea,„° thought they were fully justified in bring t h b
ing foritrarbdea.
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came the subject of eery minute insssHgatiun by persons railway. The Noble Lord then proceeded to state that
can leced mt. eis the Gevernmeet Railway department, and ou a late occasion, when travelling by the 'W. witharnp'on
the measure he now proposed to introduce was founded on Railroad to the moil twin, he hadheen detained at one of
the recommendation of that department. The Report was the statiocs an hour and a quarter while waiting for the
now in the land" of lion. Members, ar.d it would detail other mail trains from various directions to come up, tied
much mere fully arid ably than he could the grounds upon adverted at some length on the great incons-enience end
tel-Cch his measure was based, lie would now state to the danger to which passengers Acre thus subjscted, and con-
* the mein provisions of the Bill, and he would obi eluded by asking what were the instructions given by the
serve that its sole object was directed to increase the safety General Post-office, relative to the carriage of the mails
sf railroad trevellieg. Undoubtedly there was great risk by raillysr, and hoped that no regulations were given such
th at by injudicious i .terfererice on the part of the Govsrn- as would cause the d. tention of ,he msil train an hour and
merit they might be increasing the evii—( Hear)—it was throe gum ters.
d‘wirable that they should not take away from the Directors The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
mainly upon them that any directions that were given upon the subject to
that respossieility which must nst main
—that the should not, by minute interference with their which the Noble Lord referred, were genewml, atel rested
y
pa titular province, do that which the Government could do with the Directors of the Railroad. The mail-trains were
very inadequately, and which those who were the guardians engaged by Government, and they paid a large sum for
of i,he safety of the public must know much better how to i the conveyance of the mails by them, and it was for the
do. But after communicating with the Directors, and purpose of
gets that they were egg. gad.
the mail and not of carrying passcn-
d P assen .
finding that there were some points on which the Govern- gers, then, who travel
raent could interfere with advantage, he felt that be would by these traits!, should be prepared fur whatever inconve-
not b' doing his duty if he did not ask the House fur leave niences they might be exposed to, and with regard to the
to bring in a Bill on-the subject. There was a great deal danger that had been spoken oe there was no ground of
of exaggeration with regard to the number of aecideets, apprehension on that score as there were no trains on the •
for the fact was that there iv is no conveyance so safe in line immediately before or after the mail-train.
proportion to the number of passeneers. It was not cur- Lord STANLEY said that the Right Hon. Gentle-
prireng, however, considering the crreadful nature of thew, men must restollect that. after having waited an hour and
accidents, that they should produce a great shock upon the three quarters, they set off witheut the mail for which they
public mind, and it was desirable that the public should be I were eetained. At the sane time, inconvenieece and-
saWstied that the Government was usieg its best exertions danger was, he thought, incurred by the passengers during
to diminish as far as possible she probability of acci- the delay. Ile could not feel satoficd with the answer
dents on railways.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") lie had of the Right Hon. Gentleman.—( Hear, hear )
already said that the number of accidents in comparison Mr. PisUNI PT RE said he believed there was a strong
with two numbers travelling was very small. Yet f 'cense in the country that it was minecessary these railway
looking at the Report of the D:rectors as to the cause of carriages should travel on the Lord's day. There was
also a strong recommendation to that effect in the Report.
these accidents, it was evilerit that they might be very
much diminished by some simple regulations, and thereby The engine-drivers and others were obliged to continue at
render travelling by railway still snore secure. The ditfi- their lie, or day after day, and week after week, with no
culty on the subject, in his view, wow, that, although he opportunity of obtaining rest or religious instruction ; and
acknowledged the interference of the Government Board it seemed to him that this was requiring of them more than
should be rest; icted within very narrow limits—although he they had a right to do. It was, moreover, exclediess
acknowledged that that interference should be exercised many conscientious persons from engaging in this employ-
with the greatest possible cattion, yet he had found, after ment. Many accidents had occurred on railways on the
due consideration, that it would be necessary to ask Parlia- Lord's day. In Scotland it was maser once thought of to
uncut, or the department with which he had the honour to run the trains on the Sabbath, and he thought the no-
ise connect' d, far powers of a very general nature, and to cessity of doing so was done away with by the fact of
take upon Lirnsslf the responsibility of applying that power the great facility given to travelling by reilways. He
with proper caution. Honourable Gentleness might be had felt it his duty to make these remarks, knowing there
alarmed at seeing in the Bill very large powers, was a strong pubic feeling on the subject, and feeling
but he could not at that time explain his reason assured that it would be doing a great service to all em-
so well as by reading an extract from a Report which he PleYed upon railways, and to the public generally, to put
held in his heed :—" With regard to the nature and ex- down travelling by railway en the Sabbath.
tent of these p swere, the proper distinction appears to us Mr. WA R BURT ON would put it to the considcrction
to be that the Government should not attempt to interfere of the House, that if they adopted this proposition they
in questions of an experimental nature, which are still sub- must put down almost every other species of conveyance
jects of discussion, and admit of a fair deference of °pi- by which persons of the middle and lower classes, could
nion among practical men; nor should it attempt to regu- travel cheaply, and, in casesjof necessity prohibit travelling
late matters of detail, so as to take the management of on Sunday to all who were unable to do to in a post-
railways out of the hands of the parties immediately rc- chaise.—( Hear, hear.) If this system were once corn-
sponsible, namely, the directors end their officers." An- menced, where was it to end
? Why, boys were kept to
other point to which the Report referred was of some im- tend sheep on Sunday. There were scene things which
pertance :—" But with regard to other points, such as the every one admitted, in profane times as well as Chris-
propriety of introducing upon every railway such arrange- tiara times, were necessary to be done on the Sabbath.
men's respecting time tables and signals as experience has He would put it to the common sense of How Gentlemen
shown to be necessary for preventing call.sion ; of estab- whether, for carrying out their principle with moderation,
lishing a proper and unifor,n code of regulations for en- it was necessary to put down entirely all communication
gine drivers, guards, and other servants placed in a re- by railway on the Sabbath.—(Hear, hear.)
spons'ble situation ; and for maintaining strict discipline ; Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
and generaily, of introducing upon all railways whatever REGISTRATION OF PARLIAMENTARY
has been air pled and proved to be conducive to safety, by ELECTORS.
the practice of throe which are considered to be the be,t Lord J. RUSSELL then rose to ask for leave to bring
conducted, no diff.rence of opinion can exist ; and if the in a 13i11 for the Registration of Parliamentary Electors
principle of Gevernmerit super vision be admitted at all, it in England. Tile Noble Lord said he had brought in a
cannot find a more legitimate field for its exercise." Now Bill the last two years essentially the same as the Bill he
the trains were worked altogether by time tables; but it now asked for leave to bring in. There were at
was found upon examination that that obvious protection at present a great number of revising barristers, and it was
was neglected on several railways—( Hear, hear)—and he known to any one at all conversant with this subject, that
among them were many gentlemen of little experience,
did think that a power to make these tables might
be safely entrusted to the Government Board. Upon and whose decisions were in many cases impugned. In
inquiry, it had been found that the principle had been the present state of the law, a person having a vote allowed
adopted an all great lines of railway. He would mention by the revising barrister, might have it the next year dis-
another provision of the 13'11. Oa almost all lines of rail- allowed by another. This system was extremely seas-
way
a particular signal denoted danger, namely, a red tious, and created great disaffection.—( Hear, hear.)
light; but some lines substituted another signal. An en- The Attorney-Geimera!, some years ago, thought it better
ineer, therefore, going from one line to another got to have a plan by which they would secure a permanent
confused, and was likely to make a fatal mistake. He body of revising baristers, and the lion. Member for Brid-
thought these were instances in which the Government port had brought forward that plan, which seemed to be
Board might safely be trusted with the enforcement of approved of by the House, One Bill had passed the
general regulations. Its asking the House to give him House ; but the Bill before the House last year had not pissed
these extensive powers, he was quite ready to adknow- into a law. He now proposed, as last year, that there should
ledge that they ought to he exercised with the greatest be 15 Revising Barristers, to be named by the Speaker at
caution, and with as little interference as possible with the first, from a list of 45 to be nominated by the Judges,
regulation.: of the railways. But some central authority and that afterwards the nomination should be entirely in
to make general regulations, and to exercise a general 1 the Speaker. He also proposed, in the present Bill, that
superintendence, was essential. ( Hear, hear, hear.) 'the offices should be held until death or resignation, or an
Another feature in the Bill was, that all the engine-drivers address for removal front both Houses of Par liamenn He
should be licensed, and it did scent to him rather anoma- thought as a,permanent body to make the situation as puma-
lout that while they required a man driving a vehicle in I nent as possible, and to give to it as much strength of chat acter
the streets to be licensed, that the engine-driver of a rail- I
as they possibly could.—( Hear, hear.) Etc proposed
way, whose want of sobriety or misconduct might put in I likewise to have a Court of Appeal of two Barristers ; and
danger the lives of a great many persons, were not re- having done this, he proposed, instead of revision taking
qwired to have one. He proposed, therefore, that the li_ place every year, that the first decision, after having gone
censing system should be established, and that no engine- 1 through the claim of the voter, should place him in such a
driver should be employed without a regular license ; that 1 situation as to make him an established voter, with his
a registry should be kept, and that for any misconduct , claim not liable to revision. He supposed from the Noble
be should be deprived of his license. It appeared to him I Lord (Stanley) on tbew Irish Registration question, that
that that would be an important check to the employment
this would be the subject of some discussion, but he con-
of unfit persons, and diminish the number of accidents. If 1 ceived it a matter for discussion in Committee, and that
they looked at the return in the Report of tt causes of i any modification the House might desire to make might be
accidents, they would find themfrequently originating in the 1 there considered. But he hoped the House would not
gross misconduct of the driver; nay, that a man turned i leave the county electors in the situation in which they stole
off one line for misconduct,
_had been taken upon lat present—( Hear, bear)—by which many of them, after
another, and employed, when his misconduct led to the t having gone year after year to a great distance to establish
most appalling results, There were other provisions in I their claims, might some year be prevented, by business
the Bill of less importance. As he had said before, lor otherwise, from going some 50 or 60 miles to esta-
there were various suggestions in the papers laid on i blieh their votes and might have them struck off the register.
the table, which he imagined the Government might ad- I though the votes might be perfectly good.—( Hear, hear.)
vantageously adopt ; but when he recollected that in the 1 Ile would not farther detain the House, having before
last Session the House thought it injudicious that the I brought the question before it, but would nosy simply ask
Government should have too extensive powers, which . for leave to bring in the Bill.
might be used for inquisitorial purpases, he thought it I Mr. LIDDE LL was glad to hear that the Bill of the
paints to which ' Noble Lord would afford to county electors some of the
judicious to confine the measure to the
he had already referred. The Right Hon. Gentleman protection which they had a right to ask.—( Hear, hear.)
concluded by moving for leave to bring in a Bill for the , lie wished to know whether in the Bill about to he brought
better regulation of railways. its there was any clause particularly noticing rind for the
Colors I SIBTHORP did not rise to oppose the intro- prevention of a fraud in the practice of controverted clec-
duction of the Bill. It was well known that he was a , lions, which he was sorry is say had became common—he
great opposer of railroads from their earliest commence- ' alluded to the practice of the fraudulent personation of
mcnt He had always looked upon them as measures electors.—( Hear, hear.) He thought this a proper op-
of public fraud and private robbery—as schemes based portunity of making some enactment upon this point, and
upon no principle of honesty, or feeling, or huma- he would show in what particular point he thought time
pity--as schemes af idle speculation and gambling in present law defective. He believed it was admitted that
the extreme. The returns were altogether incom- . this was not only an audacious violation of the law,
plete, and he thought that they ought to have an but a violation of the privileges of tire House.—(Year.)
official return of all the accidents on railways. The 1 The practice involved the probability, almost the cer-
Hon. Gentleman referred to the great number of ' tainty, of the crime of perjury. It was only in particular
accidents that were so frequently occurring on railroads, circumstances that it was resorted to, viz., when an elec.
and mentioned that on one line of railway four men had , Lion was nearly over, an parties being nearly balanced,
been lately very much injured; and on that, as upon all ! votes were eagerly sought, and when the vote was re-
such occasions, the Directors of the line coettented theme ! I ccived Under the present law, there was no po
thwerat powe to ap-
r
selves with merely expressing their regret that such acci. prebend the person offending. He thought
dents had occurred, but there was nothing said about pre- I should be given to give such an individual into the cus-
venting the recurrence of them. ! tody of a policeman, in order that he might be detained,
Mr. EWA RT saidthat his Right Hon. Friend, the Pre- and proof given either for or against him. lie might be
told of the freedom of election, and the freedom of the
sident of the Board of Trade, had drawn a judicious dis-
subject, but he could not think this was suffieient. lie
tinction in introducing that Bill, by making the principle
thought such a fraud a greater violation of the privileges
of it a principle of centralization regarding railways, and
not ono of interference. If they would centralize all the of the House than that for which he Last seen innocent
men condemned to a lung imprisonment by an
information possible., and consolidate it in one cede, and
do so without interference, they would leave to the public older of that House, for a breach of its pit i-
e
all the advantages and accommodations derivable from rail-
ways. It was admitted, he knew not whether the Hots. I leges. H thought a criminal of this kind could
not complain of being taken into custody for the purpose
and Gallant Colonel admitted it, but if he ever read so lof ascertaining his guilt. An instance of this fraud had
been race thy stated, not only in the public prints, but in
orthodox a work as the Quarterly Review, Ire would see I
• an address of the new Member for Walsall to his consti-
tuents, in which he raid that the Corn-law League polled
dents on railroads was infinitely smaller than that which it
nine dead men, three of whom, when living, were consi-
was known took place on stage coachee. He (Mr.
dared decided Conservatives, and thus, not content with
Evart) would now sly what had been some time
aeitating the minds of the living, the Anti-Corn law
ago observed by the Honourable and Gallant Colonel,
League disturbed in their graves the bones of these
that facts were stubborn things. He (Mr. Evart)
respectable and worthy Conservatives to poll their names
was for giving such temwers as weuld render the
for a Liberal candidate —( Laughter.) He mentioned the
acts of the Railway Commissioners not abortive of,
but reductive of, some cod effect. his Right Hon, subj. ct to the Noble Lord in hope that he would Jake
Friend had alluded to time s} stem of licenses.
He (ltd.
notice of this great evil in his Bill. But lithe Noble Lord
did not, he gave notice that he eheuld frame and propose
Ewart) hoped that it would be found to succeed, but he
a clause to remedy the evil which be Lad pointed out.
had some doubt as to whe her the system of licensing mews
Colonel SIBTHORP wished to ask the Noble Lord,
necessary. They all knew that the system of st age-coaches
as the Court cf Appeal might be expected to sit but
was admirably conducted—to be sure, the number of acci-
seldom, and to have little to do, what salary the Judges
dents that occurred on them was more numerous than that
were to ['eve?
which took place on railways, but yet they were admirably
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it was proposed that
'conducted, and that without licences. He, then, had his
they should receive a yearly salary, but lie was at that
doubts as as to whether iicences were so indispensably neces-
talent unable to state the amount.
sary. Thtre was another recommendation of the Com-
missioners, respecting the information that should be given ______Lea..vc given.
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SOUTH AUSTRALIA.
in cases of serious. accident or injury being sustained by
persona. Now there were occasions where information Lord JOHN RUSSELL rose and .said, in rising to
was desirable to the public In cases of accident, even move for a select Committee on Acts relating to South
where they were not attended with serious injure. He Australia, he felt some difficulty as to how far he could
also acquiesced, though he confessed he had something to make a statement to the House upon the subject; and
do with railroads, in the suggestion that the Commis_ though he had an opinion upon the subject, it was his wish
sinners should get notice before a railway , was that a Committee should be appointed to investigate
opened, so that it might be seen that no danger was the whole of the matter. But it was quite unnecessary
likely to be ircurred on these new lines bt to show that they could not proceed with the colony of
the public. Those were powers dernandsd by the South Aewtralia in its present state, and that it was neces-
public, and to which no reasonable railway company csuli sary either to bring forward some measure in the House,
refuse to assent. It was also required that acts of inter- or to appoint a Committee on the subject. As the colony,
ference be submitted to Parliament before being adopted. however, was founded by Act of Parliament, as it was
Wnhout that he thought that there might be some danger founded in consequence of dissussions which had taken
of too great an extension of the powers of. the Commis- place in that House, lie though it would be the better way
sioners. He would venture to call the attention of !he on .subjects relating to its Government, to ask for a COM..
House to the fact that those railways arc the best vslWee mittee of the House, who should have the power to inset-
are the longest established. On the Liverpool and Man- tigate the whole question. The colony was founded
chestcr Railway an accident seldom or hever occurred, end in a peculiar manner, and on peculiar principles.
on the Liverpool and Birmingham Railway accidents oc- It was feuntled on principles which he must say he
curred just as seldom. On the Grand Junction Railway considered a little objectionable. The principle was
near half a million of persons were conveyed within the to govern the colony by certain Commissioners, has-
last year, and there was scarcely any accident. He was ing, indeed, some connection with it, but a connection so
convinced that in all public undertakings emanating from remote as to induce all persons who held office in the
private individuals, success was owing to a free csinpeti. colony, and generally the inhabitants of the colony, not to
Lion being allowed, to the absence of inter ference, and of place any confidence in them. The first Governor, Mr.
intermeddling on the part of the Government. He was Hindmarsh, ro.pecially, found himself unable to maintain
glad that the measure proposed to be introduced was aim- peace in the colony. The second, Colonel Gawler, in a
ply one of regulation, and not of interference. despatch which be wrote shortly after his arrival, described
Lord STANLEY said that, indeed, he thought from the colony as in a most wretched state of disorganiz .tion.
the manner of his Hon. Friend, in introducing that Bill Persons wno held offices seemed to think that they were
that he feared it would be opposed by lion. Gentlemen not bound to keep their offices in order, or to pay
on that side of the House. for he directed the whole of obedience to any one ; and with regard to the finances, it
his arguments to Hon. Gentlemen on his side of the was fount!, in 1829, impossible to pay any one, and though,
House. He (Lord Stanley) hoped that it would in 139, timings had been placed under more stringent
be some consolation to his lion. and Gallant Friend regulations, it still remained under the old system, which
behind him (Colonel Sibthorp) in proportion as there was calculated to produce distress and famine, and the ex-
was more traffic on railroads, and as they became more penditure of shin colony was not placed on any means pos-
useful, almost in the same proportion was all danger to sassed by the colony, or upon any votes of Parliament,
life and property diminished. lie had no doubt all tailways, or on any national sources accruing in the colony, but on
by proper precautions being adopted, would be brought certain speculations of future profits to be derived from
to a state of equal security with those two which had the stile of land. In one quarter of the year 1839, the
been mentioned by the Hon. Gentleman who spoke last. expenditure was 34,0001. making the average expenditure
but in the meantime it was of great importance that the of the whole year 140,0001. Now the real bona fide re-
G svernment should exercise a vigilant control over rail- venue of the colony, derived from duties, was about I
roads in their infancy. Railroads were but too frequently 20,000/. Therefore for a revenue of 20,000/. there was 1
openeda at atime when it was unsafe that they should be so. an expenditure of 140,0001. There had been con-
He t d been told that on one railroad there was a positive siderable safes of land, but according to tho pro-
report
oannedurred notwithstanding
thi
the
theyprinciple
of the Commissioners that it was not fit to be visions ofthe Act
of Parliament upon the subject,
opened,tir ely e a opened it. He en- though money might be brought into the land film 1,
had
railroads must be yet i•
more or less a practi •
yet `.c was necessary to pay from this sums at certain times,
cal monopoly, and therefore there was
, and devote them to emigration in the course of the year.
every justification for a vigilant .
by the public for their e control being exere'
eiscd I The Commissioners who were appointed in this country
protection. As he was r-body, d I '
an on y one of them, Colonel
be wculd put a question to his Right - 0 his legs were a numerous
the Chancellor of the le' l .'‘
Friend Torrens, received a salary for his services. Soon after
directions ...zeacquer
that ara now given for rio 'the subject of he ( Lord J. Russell) took the seals of the Colonial-office,
-ong to regal6te the aleir of land in
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isa .c tying
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