The Sun.
London, England, 1812-05-02 00:00:00

Vidasant agtt6thehts between hittacti and ilirnFetei
in his respective capacities.
Colonel WOOD maintained, the necessity of the
grant, particularly as it regarded Bristol.
Mr. W. WY RN tuba-Alined tile enormotis ex-
penditure to which'it would lead.
Mr. BASTARD was of opinion that a previous in-
quiry shouldlie instituted into the causes of the su-
periority in point of strength and comfort, of
Barracks built 50 years ago, over those recently
ete&ed.

Sir F. BURDETT objeEted to the grant do What he
was pleased to call constitutional giouods. It was
evidently the object of Government to make use of
the army which was paid by the people, to s,d:)due
the people. They wished to have the troops in reii-
diness,•in order to make war on the people.—(Load
and genfral .cries of disapprobation )---When the
measures of Govertmtent- had spread discontent
through the country, when trade was annihilated,
when the people were still fui tiler exasperated by a
scarcity of- fuod, they still persevered- in their sys-
tem, and torned a deaf ear to the distresses of
the country.--(No, no !)—Much had been said of
the tyranny of Buunaparte. Wha( did the House
think of the•tyranny of our Government, whiCh te-
sorted no longer to the law, but to the-sword )
(General expressions of dissent.)—Gentlemen might
say no, no ; ,but 4 was true. Soldiers were em-
ployed every hour. Had they Hot committed mur-
der on people
General MANNERS spoke to order. Thellon.
Baronet had no right thus to attempt to throw a-slur
on- the army.
Sir F. BURDETT contended .that he was not dis-
orderly. GovernMent had no right to use the' sol-
diers as they had done. The Riot A. gave them
no such power. In the best times of English, his-
-tory, our Sovereigns felt their greatest security to be
in the 'affection of the people. A standing army
had brought Charles I. to the block. After .a va-
riety of observations of a similar nature, the Hon,
Baronet concluded by decraring that he should give
his decided vote against the grant.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
that whatever difference of opinion might prevail as
to the estimates, the speech of the flooourable Ba-
ronet would not excite one sentiment faVOurable to,
the opinions which he entertained, or that would
induce a belief either in or out of the House, -that
he abed under good and sound discretion in holding
out to the people that a measure of necessity, not as
he had stated for subduing and crushing the liberties
of the people, and making war against the Constitu-
tion ; but for protecting the law—for protecting the
lives and properties, the valuable properties.Of the
King's subjeds.--,(Loud and repeated cries of hear,
hear !)—For protecting
,their lives and property
against t4e insinuations and attacks of incendiaries.
—(Repeated cheers !)—The Honourable Baronet had
'chosen to take under his sanction, and to represent
these incendiaries as. the -people of the country,
whose liberties .were infringed---these very incen-
diaries, who with„force and arms plundered the
property and destroyed the valuable inventions of the
manufacturers, whose capital and wealth were em-
barked and spread throughf,ut the country.—(Bear,
hear I)—At this time the. Honourable Baronet felt it
necessary to promulgate dotlrines of ihe most mis-
chievous tendency, for the purpose of preserving the
liberties of the people, as he would have the House

to believe. Was this a time, when misguided per-
sons were proceeding, to. such acts of madness, and
when it became necessary to call on the troops t 4.)
„suppress what was little short of rebellion, that be
should- tell this House and the country that the
Government were meditating the subversion .of
the liberties of the People: ?—(Loud cheering.—
The Honourable Baronet, perhapsy - some few
months ago, would have told the. same s•ory
when Piccadilly, was a scene of similar disorder--
(Hear, hear, hear !)—`When the Government was
obliged to have recourse to force to put down that
spit it of resistance, which in despite of the I,aw was
exerting itself in aid of the Hon. Baronet, and in
contempt of the authority ,of the House.—(Con-
aimed cheering:),.—lt was easy to under Stand, th*ere-
' fore,- why the Hon. Baronet does not like troops in
Loncion.—:-(Repeated cheering. !)—There were sotrte
little remains of awkward impression on the Hon.
Baronet on the subject, which he was endeavhuring
-to get rid of.—(Hear !)---But the 'Hon. B ironet
might, defy him to, shew the House that .the
authbrist,l the employment of military force. The
law did recognize the use. Parlianient recognized
it, and he would appeal to that favourite tribunal to
which the Hon. Baronet was load of appealing—
Trial by Jury—to bear him out in the fatt.—(Lond
Cheering.)—Was it not necessary then when the
multitude set defiance to the laws, when they were
ratting seditiously, it not nearly in-a state of rebellion ?
Was it not then necessary to *repress their proceed-
ings ?—(Hear, hear There. was any thing that
could destroy • the Constitution; it- was these in-
staiiees—it would be by suffering these tumults to
get head, that the country-would be endangered.•
(Hear, hear !)—He was satisfied however, that the
good sense'of the people of England would be of
opinion, that the -sentiments of the Holm:liable 1
Baronet were
,either nothing better than ckclatua.
tory rronsense, or if sense, they were c.denialed to
do infinite mischief among' a certain class, and
therefore hoped that they would be on their guard:
The. Right Hon. Gentleman then defended the giant
at,con,iderable length.
Mr. Husxissow condemned the opinion of the
Hon. Baronet, as tending to innate the public
and ri.:iculed the allusions made to former periods,
-particularly the reign of. Ehzabeth, as the period in
which the laws were mildly administered, when she
was' known to be the greatest tyrant that ever ex-
isted. He supported the Amend:tent.

Mr. BARHAM intended to hate voted for the
Amendment, bat for the most mischievous speech
of the Hon. Baronet. He thoUBht the Right Hon.
.Gentle Man lad treated the Hon. •Bironet. ungrate-
fully in the observations which he had.made on that
speech, for he would 'get more votes
.by it than he
otherwise would have obtained.—(d Mug/IL-41e
again deprecated lhe diffusion of such sentiments,
and trusted he should not often see persons in this.
country appeal from the laws to the mob.
The House then divided—
Fc•-• the Amendment
Against it
Majority against it

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