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a total failure, and the more any new system departed at present, but he believed they could not at anytime be !
from it, and was epeossd to it, the more likely would it reduced to less than twelve. He differed from the
be to succeed. Hon. Gentleman who had said that Lord Althorp had
M. HUME, as one of those who supported the stated that, at the end of five years, the Act was to
New Poor-law when first introduced, could not allow cease. The original intention of the Government was,
the Hon. Baronet to say that it had been productive of that there should be no specific term—that the powers
mischief and suffering to the poor. It was impossible of the Act should be given, without any limitation as
to prevent hardships ; but Gentlemen ought not to be to time. When, however, it had been stated in the
unjust to those who passed a measure to remedy still House that the Act was s. great and perilous experi•
greater evils and more intolerable hardships. It was merit, Lord Althorp consented that a period of
impossible for any man who had attended to the evi- five years should be fixed for its trial, in or-
deuce given before that House to deny that the mea- der that Parliament might have time to be-
sure was loudly called for. He admitted that there come informed on the subject, when it came
were abuses even now, and no man could be more again under their consideration. He (Lord John
anxious than lie was to correct them. He re- Russell) believed that they had now hsid the neces-
gretted with his Honourable Friend (Mr. Wakley) sary information, and lie trusted that the House would
that there were evils in the present system ; maintain the principle of the Act. He would acknow-
but he hoped that the Bill now about to be brought ledge, under those circumstances, that he would be de--
in would remedy them. It was most desirable to make ceiving the House if he were to hold out a prospect of
the law as agreeable as possible to those who were to be any considerable relaxation of the law, or anything like
subject to it ; but he did not see the necessity for con- a return to the old system ; and for his part, as he felt
tinuing the Commissioners ten years.—( Hear.) The the necessity of the main principles of the Act, they
object of the Bill was not to benefit the middle classes, should always have his support and approval.—(hear.)
but the poor themselves, and those who paid the rates, Leave given.
and whose property was wasted by the old system, with- FACTORIES' COMMITTEE.
out any advantage to the really poor. He would he On the motion of Lord ASHLEY, the Committee
glad to see some provision introduced into this Bill to of last Session, on Mills and Factories, was re-appoint-
ainelioraie the condition of those- whose misfortune it cd, for the purpose of considering their Rsport, and
might be to become inned es of the workhouse. making it to the House.
Mr. A. WHITE veil in the part of the country. COPYRIGHT BILL.
with which he was connected, the new Poor-law had Mr. Sergeant TA LFOURD brought in the Copy-
operated well, and had given general satisfaction. The right Bill, which was read a first and ordered to be read
orders issued from time to time the Commissioners had A second time that day week.
been attended with the best effects. POOR-LAW COMMISSION BILL.
-I\lr. LIDDELL said, if such had been the exile- Lord JOHN RUSSELL brought in the Poor-Law
rience of the Hon. Member for Sutherland ( Mr. Commission Bill, which was read a first, and ordered
to be read a second time on Monday the Bth of Feb.
White) it was quite contrary to his (Mr. L.'s) experi-
The House adjourned at half past seven o'clock.
ence of the operation of the Bill in the North of Eagland.
Ile thought the adjudication as to the relief to be af-
forded would be much better left to the Boards of
Guardians than to the Commissioners of Somerset
House. He was sick of bearing of relief afforded on
just principles—these just principles led to most unjust
practices.—( Hear, hear.) He would gladly support
the Hon. Member for Finsbury in any attempt for the
improvement or the amendment of the law ; but not
only would he not support a proposition for the conti-
nuance of the powers of -the Commissioners for ten
years, but he would not with his good-will continue their
power for two years or even for one year. To that
portion of the Bill, therefore, he should give his most
decided opposition ; as to the other portions of the Bill,
lie should reserve his opinion on those until the Bill was
before the lenge.
Lord .JOHN RUSSELL said the motion which he
lied submitted to the House was for leave to bring in a
Bill for continuing the powers of the Commissioners for
a time limited, and for the amendment of the laws re-
lating to the poor. He had thought it right to state to
the House the period to which it was proposed that the
powers of the Commissioners should be extended, and
it would be for the house to decide whether that pe-
riod should be for one or for ten years, or for any other
period on which, in their discretion, they might decide ;
that was not of course contained in the motion now be-
fore the House. He did not think it necessary either
to go into the present state of the Poor-laws, or into the
consideration of any of the defects which might be ex-
isting in them, in making this motion, not only because
a similar Bill had been introduced last year, but because
on no subject bad a greater mass of information been
laid before the House and the country than on the
subject of the Poor-laws. Before the introduc-
tion of the original measure the inquiries of the
Commissioners appointed to investigate the subject,
and the results of those inquiries, had been circulated
throughout the country ; since then annual reports had
been presented by the Commissioners to the Secretary
of State, and by him laid before Parliament. Both
flosses of Parliament had also instituted their own
inquiries by means of their own Committees, which
had sat during more than one session. With regard
to the Bill now brought in, a volume of special reports
of the Commissioners during the last year was in pos-
session of the House, so that it appeared, besides the
individual experience of many Honourable Members
as Chairmen, and members of Boards of Guardians,
the House had every thing that could be required to
enable Parliament to come to a tolerable conclusion
as to the general bearing and merits of the question,
For his own poet, be could say that although it might
have been easy to allow the powers of the Poor-law
Commissioners to expire, leaving to the Boards of
Guardians the management of their local concerns, and
leaving to them the odium of any refusals of relief they
;night have to make, yet, believing at he did the powers
of the Commissioners to be useful and necessary after
the neglect which had so long existed on this subject,
and after the abuses which were the consequences of
that neglect had taken such deep root—(Cheers)—he
felt that he should not be doing his duty if he did not
move for a continuance of those powers.—(Cheers.)
In 1819 he had thought the matter was one which
called for the attention of the Government, and he had
asked the Government of that day if they were prepared
to bring forward any measure for an effective
amendment of the Poor-laws. Mr. Canning had said
in reply that the question was so complicated, so large,
and so intricate, that it could not be matter of blame to
any Government that it did not take it up. Now, the
year before 1819, the sum raised in England for the re-
lief of the poor amounted to eight millions for that single
year alone. But the Government in 1833 had under-
taken the task, and as the Hon. Member had said at
that time the abuses were so great that there was a
general disposition in favour of some amendment of the
principles on which those laws were administered.—
, (Cheers.) If the House would allow him he would state
in what he considered the vicious principle of the
former administration of these laws consisted, and
what were -the just principles on which their
amendment had been undertaken. The labour-
ing classes depended upon three sources of
subsistence ; Ist, on wages ; 2(1, on public relief
in cases of destitution ;•and, 3d, on public charity.
Now the great fault of the old administration of the law
was, that it attempted to confound till these three
sources together. Vestries gave parish relief to per-
sons who were in the receipt of wages.—(Cheers.)
This had a tendency to lower tho rate of wages, and to
degrade the labourer—(Loud cheers)—for it put the
honest and industrious labourer who was ready to live
upon his wsges, in a disadvantageous situation, ns com-
pared with the idle and dissolute one who was placed on
the same footing, or perhaps in a better situation, by
this abuse of obtaining perish relief.—(Loud cheers.)
It likewise pretended to do that which could only be
-done by private charity, by pretending to give that
support which only a charitable end wealthy
neighbour might with propriety afford in cases of sud-
den misfortune, such fur instance as a case in which a
poor family might have all the furniture of their cot-
tage destroyed by fire ; in that case wealthy and chari-
table neighbours could restore these unfortunate persons
to their rank in society, by furnishing them with the
means of replacing their property so destroyed. But
, the administration of the Poor-law attempted to do
this. It was easy charity for a Vestry and Overseers
to give away money which did not belong to them, and
to say they would be extremely charitable in the parti-
cular case of A., 8., or C. But charity was not pro-
perly admistered in that way ; there could be no dis-
crimination in such an administration of charity ; it was
not true charity ; and by attempting to distribute charity
in that way, they perverted the charity of the country by
squandering immense sums of money upon unworthy ob-
jects. It appeared manifest to him that the old system
proceeded on mistaken principles ; sums, for instance,
bring granted to a daughter for tending a mother when
ill, and to a father that took care of his child, while the
nearest relations, were thus taught to look for a reward
in the discharge of the most natural duties. lie was,
therefore, of opinion, that the amendment of the law
proceeded on a principle which was just—namely, that
wages should be the result of a fair cantract between
the employer and the labourer. The employer gave
his money for what lie considered a fair day's work,
accordii.g as he might require it. The labourer was
raised by this change in the law—be felt that what he
gained was the value of his work, and be did not feel
degraded by the acceptance of it. It was observed in
the first report of the Commissioners, that after the
amendment in the laws many improvident labourers
suddenly became industrious, and that several of the
farmers felt sari risen at seeing labourers whom they had
before considered idle and careless, earning their wages
in a fair and proper manner. Besides relief was given to
those only to whom it ought to be given, the really destitute.
He differed with those who thought that the Board of
Guardians should make a distinction in the relief of in-
dividual
cases. He believed that the only safe course
was to adhere to that wise and good principle of the
Act of Elizabeth, namely, that no poor person in this
country should be allowed to starve, but that all per-
sons reduced to a state of destitution should receive
food and shelter, and that persons should be relieved
because they were destitute, and not because they
were idle, and preferred Poor-law relief lo wages. He
believed that the proper mode of relief was that which
had been afterwards confirmed by the Act of George 1.,
which had been most unfortunately altered by the law
of 1797. There would, howevt r, always remain, even
supposing that there were considerable employment in the
country, and supposing that they gave relief to the (testi.
tote, there would always remain enough to employ private
beneficence. lie was not certainly one of those who,
when the amendment was originated, thought tit it they
were about to suppress the necessity for private cha-
rity. Ile felt, however, that charity ought to be spon-
taneous, and ought not to take the character of State
relief. It might, he thought, be safely left in the hands
of those who had ample reeens of relieving their poorer
neighbours, and who had likewise that kindness c f feel-
ing, which, while it prompted them to-relieve the destitute,
conferred its own reward.—( Hear, bear.) In order to
carry the principles of the amended law, which were so
efficient, he thought it was necessary to maintain the
establishment of Guardians, and of Commissioners gene-
rally superintending the whole of the Act. With
regard to the Assistant-Commissioners, he had stated
last year, and he still felt, that lie did not think it ne-
cceeary that they should always have Such a-number as

PARLIAMENTAItY

(From the Totes and Procerousg., y sae House of Commons.)
WF.DNFSDAY, JAN. 27.
PUBLIC BUSINESS.
Motion made, and Question put, " That no new business,
which shall be objected to by five Memlers, be brought on
after twelve o'clock at night."—(Nlr. Brotherton. )—The House
divided :

Aglionby, H. A.
Baines, E.
Blake, M. J.
Blakemore, It.
Briscoe, J. I.
Corbally, M. W
Dashwood, H,
!icdor, C. J.

NORITY—AYES, 31.-
O'Brien, \V. Smith Style, Sir Charles
O'ConneA, 1). Turner, William
O'Connell, J. Wakley, Thoms
O'Connell, M J. Walker, R.
O'Connor Don White, A.

Palmer, George
Pluniptre, J. P.
Pryme, G.
Salwey, Colonel
Staunton, Sir G. 'l'.
Strickland, Sir G.

Wilbraham, G.
Williams, W.
Yates, J. A.

Ilumcd,

Jackson, Serjeant
James, William
'Morris, David

TELLERS,
Brotherton, J.
Ewart, IV.

,JORITY—NOES,
Gordon, Robert
Goulburn, Henry
Gr Sir James
Greene, T.

Ainsworth, Peer
Baring, F.
Baring, 11. B.
Barnard, K G.
Berkeley, Hon. C.
I: wes, 'l'.
Blackburne, 1.
Blake, \V. J.
ButtielJ, Bcriah
Bowes, J.
Broadley, H.
Broadwood, Henry
Brownrigg, J. S.
Bruges, W. H. L.
Buck, L. \V.
Buller, Sir J. Y.
Burroughes, H.
Busfeild, William
arew, W.
Clay, W.
Clements, Lord
Clive, E. B.
('live, Robert
Cochrane, Sir T.
Compton, H. C.
Courtenay, Philip
Cowper, Hon. W. 1,
Dalrymple, Sir A.
D'Eyncourt, C. 'l'.
D'lsraeli, Benjamin
Divett, E.
Duncan, Viscount
Duncombe, T. S.
Easthope, John
Eliot, Lord
Elliot, Hon. J. E.
Estcourt, T. G. 14.
Evans, \V.
Feilden, \V.
Fitzroy, Hon. H.
Fort, John
Fremantle, Sir T.
Freshtteld, J. W.
Gaskell, James Milnes
Gisborne, T.

130.
Palmerton, Visct.
Parker, J.
I'arker, Montague
Pattison, J.
Peel, Hon. Sir It
Perceval, Colonel
Philips, M.
Planta, J.
Pollock, Sir F.
l'rae.l, W. T.
Pringle, A.
Redington, T. N.
Richards, R.
Round, John
Russell, Loid John
Scarlett, J Y.
Seale, Sir J. H.
Seymour, Lord
Shaw, Frederick
Shelburne, Earl of
Sheppard, T.
Somerset, Lord G.
Sotheron, T. E.
Stanley, Lord
Stanley, Hon. W.
Stanstield, W. R. C.
Stewart, James
Strutt, Edward
Stuart, Villiers
Talfourd, T. Noon
Tancred, H. W.
Thornely, Thomas
Trotter, .1.
'rufflell, IL
Villiers, Lord
Vivian, Major C.
Waddington, H. S.
Wilshere, W.
Winnington, Sir T.
Wodchouse, Hon. E.
Young, John

Grey. Sir G.
Grimsditch, Thomas
Hastie, A.
Hawes, B.
Hawkes, T.
lleneagc, G W.
Henniker, Lord
Herbert, Hon. S.
Herries, John C.
Hinde, J. H.
Ho'Mouse, T. B.
Hodges, T. L.
I lodgson, Frederick
Hodgson, Richard
trope, Hon. C.
Hoskins, K.
Howard, E. G.

Howlek, lA3rl

Hughes, W.B,

•
Hurt, Francis
Inglis, Sir It. H.
Irton, S.
Irving, John
Kemple, Henry
Knatchbull, Sir L.
Knightley, Sir C.
Labouchere, H.
Lase&les, W. S.
Lefroy, 1) .'l'.
Lincoln, Earl of
Lushington, C.
Mackinnon, W. A.
Macnamara, W.
Mahon, Lord
lticlgu-:d, Lord
liilness Richard
Monypenny 'l'. G.
Muntz,G. E.

, .
Ord, NV.
Macke, C. W

TELLERS.
Stanley. E. J.
Smith, R. V ernon

PRIVATE BILL COMMITTEES.

Motion made, and Question put, " That it is expedient that
Committees on Private Bills should be approximated more
nearly than they now are to judicial tribunals, and exempted
as much as poTsilole front all motives of local and personal in-
terest."—(Mr. Ewart.)—The House ilivided

MINORITY-AYES,

Agllonby, H. A.
Berkeley, C.
Hewes, 'l'.
Blake, M. J.
Brothertou, J.
Bulwer, Sir L.
Greer.,, 'l'. G.
Heatlicoat, John

Hector, C. J.
Hume. Joseph
Muntz, G, F.
Salwcy, Colonel
Stanstield, W. It.
Stewart, James
Strickland, Sir G.
Strutt, Edward

I:Talfourd, Scrjeant
Taneretl, H. W.
White, Andrew
Williams, W.
Yates, John A.
TELLERS.
Ewart, W.
Warburton, H,

Baldwin, C. Barry
Barnard, E. G.
Briscoe, J.
Broadley, Henry
Bruges, W. H. L.
Buller, Sir J. B. Y.
Bustleld, W.
Courtenay, T. I'
Elliot, Hon J. E.

,JORIT Y-NOES,
Fresh field, J. W.
Gordon, R.
Goulburn, H.
Hinde, J. H.
Hodges, T. L.
Labotiebere, H.
Morris, David
Noel, C. G.
O'Brien, W. S.

Packe, C. W.
Phillpotts, John T.
Pringle, A.
Pryme C.
Rice, E. B.
Richards, Richard

TELLERS.
Grey, Sir O.
Estcourt, T. G. B.

EAST SURREY ELECTION.

(PROM A CORRESPONDENT.)
The Tories arc quite astonished at the state of affairs in
this county. They had calculated upon walking over the
course without any opposition, and they now find that all
chance of that has vanished, and they are constrained to
admit that there is no doubt the contest will be a very se.
vere one, although, of course, they say their man, or rather
" boy," is sure to come in, It would be unfair to dispa-
rage the character or status of Sir Edward Antrobus in
the county; and if he had stood forward, there is every
reason to believe that he must have commanded .very
general support; but the putting forward his son, a young
man of about twenty-one years of age, fresh from college,
and naturally in want of experience, and every other
quality accessary for a member of the Legislature,
especially in times like the present, is considered by a
very great number of the electors as an insult to the
county ; and it is well known that many of the sturdy
yeomen of the county, who profess what are called
Conservatise principles, have said that they could not
bring themselves to vote for the election of such an indi-
vidual as Mr. Antrobus, as they did not consider him at
all qualified to represent such a wealthy and important
county as Surrey ; and that although they would not vote
against him, still they could not conscientiously give him
their support. This will, of course, tell in favour of the
Liberal candidate, and the friends of Mr. Alcock are very
sanguine as to his being returned ; indeed, some of them
go so far as to say they are sure of it. It will be ver3
great folly en the part of the Liberal party, however, to
underrate tl.eir opponents, for they may be assured that
every, ingenuity wiil be employed, and that no expense will
be spares', to In ing in the Tory candidate, and the Liberals
must strsin every nerve or they will be defeated. They
must not forget that there are a great number of Tory
landlords in the county, whose tenants are bound to vote
according to their opinions, and that the Tories, as a party.
are most indefatigable in attaining their objects. If,
however, the Liberal party exert themselves, it is to
be hoped that the Tories will be beaten.
•

PHENOMENA OF SOUND.-411 the arctic re-
gion?, persons can converse at more than a mile distant,
when the thermometer is below zero. In air, sound tra-
vels from 1,130 to 1,142 feet per second. In water sound
passe; at the rate of 4,708 feet per second. Sound travels,
in air, about 900 feet for every pulsation of a healthy
person, at 75 in a minute. A bell sounded under water,
may be heard under water at 1,200 feet distance.
Sounds are distinct at twice the distance on water that
they a• eon land. In a balloon, the barking of drip on
the ground ma, be heard at an elevation of three or
four miles. On Table Mountain, a mile above Cape
Town, every noise in it, and even words, may be heard
distinctly. The fire of the English, on landing in Egypt,
was distinctly heard 130 miles on the sea. Dr. Jamison
says, in calm weather he heard every word of a sermon
at the distance of two miles ! ! Water is a better con-
ductor of sound than air. Wood is also a powerful
conductor of sound, and so is flannel or ribbon. Sound
affects particles of dust in a sunbeam; cobwebs and water
in musical glasses ; it shakes small pieces of paper cff a
string in concord. Deaf persons may converse through
deal rods held between the teeth, or held to the throat or
breast. Echoes are formed by elliptical surfaces combined
by surrounding surfaces, or by such of them as fall into
the respective distances of the surface of an ellipse, and
are therefore directed to the other focus of the ellipse.
For all the distances from both foci to such surface are
equal, and hence there is a concentration of sounds at
those points, direct from one focus, and reflected back
again from the ce.her focus. An echo returns a monosyl.
table at 70 feet distance, and another syllable at every 40
feet additional. The echo of artillery is increased or
created by a cloud or clouds. Miners distinguish the sub-
stance bored by the sound ; and physicians distinguish the
action of the heart by a lis'cning tube. Gamblers and
pie men can distinguish, in tossing money, which side is
undermost, though covered by the hand.
On Suncity last the theatre at Oldham was
opened for a Sunday school by a religious party who had
seceded from t!-:e ministration of St. Peter's Chapel.--
Manchester GI radian.
NEw Wonxs.—The following interesting new
works have just been published by Mr. Colburn, of Gr-At
Marlborough-street, and may be had at all the book-
sellers' : —l. Mr. James's new work, " Letters Illustrative
of the Court awl Times of William III.," 3 vols. Bro.
—2. The Sportsman in France, comprising Rambles
through Picardy and Normandy, and Boar Shooting in
Lower Brittany, by Frederic Tolfrey, Esq., 2 vols. small
Bvo. with twelve illustrations, 21s. bound.-3. The first
volume of the new and revised edition of Agnes Strick-
land's " Lives of the Queens of England," with illustra-
tions, 10s. 6d. bound.-4. The late limes Smith's Comic
Miscellanies, Memoirs, and Letters, second edition, 2 vols.
port Bvo., with portrait, 21s. bound.-5, The third and
concluding volume, in Bvo., of Lady Blessington's " Idler
in liAly."—(l. The lion. Mrs. Norton's New Poetical
Works, second edition, 1 vol., with fine portrait, 10s. 6d.
bound.-7. Major Napier's Seems and Sports in Foreign
Lands, 2 vols. post Bvo., with illustrations, 21s. bound.-
8. The Er story of the Turf; from the Elrliest Period, by
J. C. Whyte, Esq., 2 vols. evo., with illustrations, 28i.
bound.--9. Trollope's Summer in Brittany, 2 vols. Bvo.,
with illustrations.—And, 10. Raumer's Italy and the
Italians, 2 vols post Bvo., 21s. hound.
It is expected that Lord Aberdeen and the Duke
of Richmond will, early in the Session, introduce a Bill
into the 1-loose of Lords for settling the Ss:Jteh Church
question.—Morning Paper,

PROVINCIAL BANK OF IRELAND.

An extraordinary general meeting of the, Proprietors
of the above Bank was, on Thursday, held at their es-
tablishment in Broad-street, for the purpose of electing
a Director in the place of John Wright, EN., who bad

resigned.
0. PARIIER, EN., being called to the Chair,
TUC SECRETARY of the Bank read the advertise-
ments which convened the meeting, and which also

stated its objects.
The CHAlRMAN—Gentlemen, you have heard the
advertisement. We arc now here assembled for the

English gentlemen, because Irish gentlemen had to be
taught the system, but never intended to exclude the
talent of Ireland. I will name to you the ❑umber of
each ccuntry engaged in this establishment : 127 Irish,
51 Seotch,• and 14 English.—(Hear, hear.) In addi-
tion to this there are 56 local Directors in Ireland.
Of these two are Scotch gentlemen, who have been long
settled in Ireland. This shows we do not want to ex-
clude Irish talent in the working of this establishment.

—(Hear, hear.) I will now, Gentlemen, conclude by
asking you whether you consider the Directors deserve
the reflections and charges brought against them by Mr. '
Baldwin ?—(Cheers.)
Mr. F. REED-4 am sorry Mr. Baldwin is not in the
room, but I am sure you must all feel rejoiced at hearing
so triumphant a refutation of the charges made in that
letter.—(Cheers.) I feel any further observations
would only lessen the force of those which have fallen
from the Chairman.—(Cheers.) I also feel that whn
this 7,,,es forward to the world it will give an increased
confidence in the establishment, and that what Mr. B.
has done will do U 3 no injury. I feel that, after the
manner in which the Chairman has explained, it will do
us much good. I will therefore move " that the most
cordial thanks of this meeting be tendered to the Chair-
man and the Court of Directors, for the complete and
triumphant refutation which has this day been given to
the statements conveyed by the letter of a Proprietor
a !dressed to the Shareholders at large, with. reference

purpose of electing a Director in the room of Mr. John
Wright, who has retired. There is but one candidate
to fill the situation ; I will, therefore, put his name to
the vote, "Is it your pleasure, Gentlemen, that James

Helme, Esq., be elected a arector?" it was unani-

mously carried.
FREDERICK READ, Esq.—l believe I shall now be in
order if I refer to a subject which appears to affect the
character of this establishment. It arises from a letter
which, in common with the other Proprietors, I have
received from Mr. Baldwin, who has been a can_lidate
for the vacant Directorship, but who has now with-

drawn. Yet he may again become a candidate when
another vacancy takes place.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
I have been struck with the manner in which that
letter is couched, and I wish to call the particular atten-
tion of the meeting to two points in it —(1-lear.)
The first applies to what may occur at a future elec-
tion, and reflects upon the mode in which elections are
conducted. Mr. B.'s statement implies, that any re-
commendation coming from the Board in favour of
a candidate, as being best qualified to fill the situa-
tion, will be sure to secure his election. I believe
we passed a resolution binding ourselves to support
the best qualified candidate. If that resolution is
proposed to be rescinded, I wculd oppose it with the
same warmth which I showed in its favour, when it was
first proposed to the Proprietors. The resolution re-
ferred to is as follows—" that in future elections it
would conduce to the good management of the Bank's
affairs, if a recommendation should be made by the
Directors to the Proprietors in favour of those cand-
(fates whom, after due inquiry, they shall find to be best
qualified to fill the situation."—( Hear, hear.) The
next question is ore of more importance, which, with
your permission, I will read. The paragraph in the
letter to which I refer, and of which I most complain,
tuns as follows :—" The manifest disposition of dis-
couraging Irish gentlemen who come forward on simi-
lar occasions, is a subject which has for some time
occupied the attention and attracted the notice of my
countrymen, and is worthy of your mature considera-
tion, for it has engendered a strong spirit of jealousy,

to the administration of this establishment, which state-
ment, however, this meeting is disposed to believe must
have been made under misapprehension or misinforma-
tion on the subject."
Capt. PORTER—YOU speak, Mr. Chairman, of the
number of Irishmen employed. lam a younger
brother, and I have also a younger brother, who are
not either of us residents in Ireland : we may be said
to be transported here ; and you may have one of our
services, if you please.—(Haar, hear.) Allow me the
honour of seconding that resolution.
It was put and carried with acclamation.
The CHAIRMAN—In the name of my brother Di-
rectors and myself, I thank you ; and we will still en-
deavour to promote the interest of this establishment,
as we have hitherto done. 1 believe we cannot say any
more.—(Cheers.)

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

MANCHESTERTILUBSDAY.

During the week we have seen the following bets made

On THE DERBY.
400 to 11 agst the Duke of Wellington
200 to 8 agst Rosalie
350 to 10 agst Rattle's dam; also, 25 and 27 to 1, to a
score or so, previous to the aforesaid :35 to 1
50 to 5 egst Ralph and Coronation
200 to 7 agst Ralph
20 to 1 is offered agst Soult
14 to 1 on the Field
40 to 1 agst Jack Sheppard.
The attendance this forenoon is moderate ; 30 to 1
offered agst the Duke of Wellington; and 35 agst Rattle's
darn ; 1,000 to '2O agst Mustapha Muley (off).

which, though slowly, is working deeply to do injury
of your establishment. It is a fact which cannot be
denied, that this feeling mainly gave rise to a power-
ful opposition bank—more powerful than wealthy,
on account of its national influence—the effects of
which have been severely felt on more than one oc-
casion. The best proof I can give of what I assert
is, that this was one of the chief arguments used by
the promoters of that Institution, when they applied
to me and other friends to co-operate with them in
forming the establishment." This has been sent forth
in a general circular, which I consider is calculated to
injure the present establishment ; an establishment
standing at present high in public estimation—(Hear,
hear, hear)—and upon which I should be sorry there
should be cast any imputation whatever. I therefore
rise on this occasion to give the Court of Directors an
opportunity to refute or explain what the worthy Pro-
prietor refers to in his circular ; and if he should be
present he will explain why be has cast upon the
Court of Directors a reflection which they do not
deserve.—Cheers.) I have no knowledge of the
gentleman, but this I know, that the same number of
Irish gentlemen continue at our Board, or indeed
more than were there when we were first established
—(Hear, hear.) I believe the whole Board of Direc-
tors to have displayed so much zeal, ability, and cour-
tesy in the general management of our affairs, that they
do not merit the imputation that has been by such a
course attached to them.—(Hear, hear.)
The CHAIRMAN—I am extremely sorry my friend,
Mr. Baldwin, is not present, which I presume he is not,
as I do not see him, and this will prevent my saying
many things which I should otherwise do.—(Hear,
hear.) From the way in which this question has been
asked, I shall feel it my duty to answer it. But ever
since this letter has been circulated we have felt our-
selves placed in a difficult situation, having to suffer
under a serious charge, which, if correct, we should not
deserve that which we have always received, the entire
confidence of the Proprietors.—( Hear.) If we had not
considered that a contest was about to take place, we
would have sought an earlier opportunity to rescue
ourselves from this charge ; but we felt that if we did
so, it might militate against one of the candidates.—
(Cheers.) I am thankful to Mr. Reed for giving me
an opportunity to speak to the question ; at the same
time, I am sorry that my friend Mr. Baldwin did not
first investigate the facts, which he might have learnt
upon both these points. I must think he was la-
bouring under some misapprehension.—( Hear.) I will
not criticise his words, however hard they may appear
to bear on the Board of Directors, for we can throw
ourselves upon the Proprietors, who, I feel satisfied, will
not deprive us of their confidence.—(Hear, hear.) But
Mr. Baldwin is under a mistake when he states the
Court of Directors recommend a candidate to you.
Yet I will distinctly state, in answer to what appears
,n that letter, that your Directors feel that your inte-
rests and the interests of the establishment both require
they should not flinch from so doing, whether such a
resolution had passed or not, for we do feel that as Di-
rectors of this establishment we are bound to uphold
the general interest of the establishment—(Chem rs)—
whether we receive the entire approbation of every
individual Proprietor or not—(Cheers)—for we conceive
your interests demand it. We do not hesitate in
saying the statement has given us very great pain,
for we must remember that the parties to which
it is addressed arc, many of them, residing in
Ireland, who have warm hearts, generous spirits,
but a quick sensitiveness, and they may consider,
as a body, that they are slighted by the Directors,—
( Hear, hear.) I do not conceive that any proposition
could be put forward against the Directors of this
establishment, that would have a more prejudicial
effect, than that Irish gentlemen were discouraged from
coming forward as candidates for offices in it, and that
in consequence it was gradually sinking in their esti-
mation, and, if true, dezervedly so.—(Hear, hear.)
Since that establishment had been formed there has
been but one ins'ance where an Irish gentleman came
forward as a candidate and was not elected ; and what
was remarkable, the two candidates on that occasion
were both Irishmen, and of course we could not elect
the two to fill one vacancy,—(Hear, hear, and laugh-
ter.) This could not be considered rejecting an Irish
;entlemsn ; I am sure you have reason for rejoicing
in your choice, when I state to you that the gen-
tleman elected was Mr. Young, Member for Cavan.
—(Cheers.) The other gentleman withdrew his name
prior to the election, and as he did not reside in Eng-
land, and did not again offer himself, you could not
therefore elect him. On another occasion an Irish
Nobleman wished to become a Director, but he died be-
fore a vacancy took place. You will, therefore, see
that every Irish gentleman who has been proposed has
been elected. This will relieve the Directors from the
charge that they have discouraged Irish gentlemen from
coming forward as candidates for offices in this este-
blishment.—( Hear, hear.) We are told by Mr. Bald-
win that we arc losing ground in Ireland. We had
naturally expected that Mr. B. would have pointed out
where, for we do not find it among the Shareholders in
Ireland ; to prove which I will take their number at
Christmas for the last three years. In 1838 they
were 355. In 1839, they amounted to 398 ; and
in 1840 they rose to 4-10—( Hear, hear)—being an
increase of 95 upon the three years, This does not
indicate any strong decline of confidence in this
establishment. Lest year three-fourths of the 'shares
disposed of in London were sent to Ireland—(Cheers)
—this is also satisfactory, giving us a stronger hold
non the good opieion and affections of the Irish peo-
ple. If this establishment were so sinking in the esti-
-nation of the Irish public, would it not be felt among
the Grand Juries of Ireland ? but have we not been
appointed receivers by them ? Where the poison has
been dispersed, I wish the antidote to find its way.—
(Cheers.) But I have my doubts whether we can pre-
vent the mischief which this letter may have done, as
it has gone to every Proprietor. Under a late Act of
Parliament the Grand Jury of each county were di-
rected to select a banker for county treasurer. It then
became a matter of competition among the Banks to
obtain the county treasurer's accounts ; yet out of :23
which arc within the exclusive circle of the Bank of
Ireland, we have 14, arid 9 arc left for all the other
Banks in Ireland, in the south and west, as well as in
the north, where the local banks have numerous
branches, and partners intimately connected with
gentlemen who form the Grand Juries. This does
not indicate a decline of confidence in us. If we
refer to the Boards of Guardians of the Poor law
Unions, of which there arc many yet to be formed, we
find that thirty-four of them have preferred this esta-
blishment, which has so sunk in public estimation.—
(Cheers.) I wish my friend Mr. Baldwin had telt, n
etfaterrwaforrd
his
stltiaetetnr,oeunbtl,eatnod i
intqwuiorue
would
have
ee
beenlie brought forward
him
not to have said one word against the Directors to any
Proprietor, or any one intimately acquainted with this
establishment. Yet he has done so ; and notwithstand-
ing this he becomes a candidate, from which, though
lotto in the day, he has retired. He perhaps thought
Lis circular would have secured bins a few vetes, but
1 imagine he has been disappointed, or he would not
have withdrawn him ;elf. I felt it was right you should
know so much. There is another fact I wish to
state to you ; you are aware that this was the first
Joint-stock Bank introduced into Ireland, to be carried
out on the principles of Scotch banking. It was, there-
fore, necessary to obtain men who were acquainted
with that system ; we therefore sought for persons
from that country, where the system had bet'n so
beneficially carried out. We employed Scotch and

THE CHESTER CUP.
The day of the forfeit being made known is so near
(the Ist February) that caution is the watchword ; 7 to 1
is the top offer agst Bloomsbury, and 100 to 10 agst any
other ; 100 to 7 agst Retriever ; the Field agst 8, take
10. Gallipot has been backed at 15, and there appears a
strong desire to back Retriever, but the fieldsmen hang fire.

FROM LAST NIGHT'S GAZETTE

BUCKINGHAM PALACE, JAN. 25, 1841.
The Queen was this day pleased to confer the honour of
Knighthood upon Robert Horiford, Esq., Solicitor-General o
Antigua.

WHITEHALL, JAN. 25.
The Lord Chancellor has appointed Joseph Heaford Daub-
ney, of Caistor, in the county of Lincoln, Gent. to be a Master
Extraordinary in tho High Court of Chancery.

WHITEHALL, JAsr. 27.
The Queen has been pleased to present the Rev. T. Hillyard,
A.M., to the Rectory of Southam, in the county of Warwick
and diocese of Worcester, void by the resignation of the lion.
and Rev. Dr. C. Bathurst, the last incumbent.

CROWN OFFICE, JAN. 29.

MEMBER RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT PARMA.

)TENT.
DISTRICT OF BURGHS •FDYSAR.T, KIRKCA
AND BURNTISLAND.—Lieut.-Col. Robert Ferguson, jun.,
of Raith, in the room of Robert Ferguson, Esq., deceased.