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fered every,. sacrifice., aniiks privation, to mitigate the
evils by ..which they are surrounded.—( Hear, hear-)
I applauded
,thesconduct of 'these who, like the Noble Lord
(Lord Clements) resisted :the temptations of a resi-
dence abroad, and although their attempts to be-
nefit the people,„were not successful, still the failure
does not , take from them. the credit due to them.
The Right -,flonesurable. Baronet .the continued to say—
They were deservirigof, the greatest possible amount of praise
for the exertions Which thes,,had.nsed, situated as they were in
such critieal circumstances:. With respect to the Govern-
ment, he was quite,centent,ke-five them the fullest discretion
in carrying,outthose,nreasnrea.which they considered necessary,
in order to: meet thelexistiriL.distress of Ireland ; and he was
also quite content NI iie'therpindemnity for the line of policy
which they had. 'adopted-toive,rds Ireland. He believed that
any attempt to regelate, the.discretion of the Government, by
any legislative details,'.wonht,he futile ; he thought, therefore;
that the fullest- I..discretion ' 'should be allowed to them.
He would—not,- at present. enter • into any discuision
on the more ',permanent measures proposed for Ireland ;
by far the most important of•them were not yet before the
House. He considered that:).;Bill which should enable the
nominal possessors of:; estatee.to sell their property were of
more importance, as bearingypou the permanent condition of
Ireland, than any.which had-yet been brought under the con-
-1 sideration of the:-House by her Majesty's Government, and he
thought that they would only prejudice the discussion of an
important measure by.lion..Members explaining to the House
their respective ~.views upon the subject.—( Hear, hear.)
With respect to the preposecicultivation of the waste lands, he
hoped the Noble',Lord.at the- head of the Government would
pause before he proceeded :to invest the public money in the
cultivation of the.. soil._ The. Honourable Member for
Wycombe. had ~steted: that the • quantity of waste grounds
to be cultivated,. omeunted to 4,600,C00 acres,
and the proposed grint of 1,000,003/. would be of little or no
avail for the-purposesconteloplated by the Act. He wished to
call the attention nt theiWoble Lord to that concluding portion
of his speech-in. iihich, addressing the -Irish Members, he told
them to endeavour-'to help themselves. The Noble Lord
should act upon- his .'own adVice ' • but the Government of
which the: N0b14,. Lord was at the head, s'iould teach the
landed proprieters to act independently of the aid of Govern-
ment.— ( cheers..).. Let,thent be just towards Ireland ; but he
would have the .Government remember that they were only
encumbering f:lrelind and‘ .paralysing her services if they
taught her-to depend too much upon the assistance of England.
The cultivation of her. soil,must depend upon the energies of
the people-•themselves, •and not upon any assistance which
the Government could offer.-.--( Cheers.) Let the House con-
sider for a'.moment the expenses of superintendence of works
performed by-the:' Govfkrtirnent, ,and how imperfect those works
were done by, Gavereatent agents. Such works could only be
properly performed bythe enterprise of the people of Ireland
theeaselves, who would expect to reap some return for the out-
' lays and trouble whichlt required, and who would watch over
the expendifure." of "every 'penny.—(Gheers.) That was the
way in which-the permanent • improvevrient of the land was to
be obtained.- LeC them-facilitate as- much as possible the
drainage of lam} the:proprietors—but that was a measure
equally affecting England- as well as Ireland. But
the Government :Joust ::pet attempt the cultivation
of the --bags 'and waste- lands of Ireland. The
Governmentraghtdepend upon it that if those lands, when
reclaimed, were to 'be profitable' private enterprise should be
employed for the-purposef.'of hinting them profitable ; but if
they were not to be•profitable, then it was only throwing away
the money of the State fisr the Government to interfere.—
(Loud cheers.) His remedy was to give the Government
indemnity and idiscretionery power. He wished not to be
considered is nctuatecrb;t;sestrfeelingsof hostility towards the
Government, 'nor by anyleelites of party, but it was not in
the power of,Menibers House properly to perform
their duty, Unless they fraiikly avowed their opinions.
—( Hear, hear.) He. hoped, therefore, that the Noble
Lord would .well consider his steps before he
entered upon any-such lakle-tris he had proposed to himself.
He was quite sure the" Noble Lord had plenty of other
duties to performlTiltasi that ef'undertaking to become the im-
prover of IrisS frogic:-L-( Laughter.) If he attempted that, it
would only' involve him 'in t 1 greatest of difficulties. He
would merely express a hoile, With reference to the poor-laws,
that when the subject should-11e brought before the House, the
fullest and most ample- consilieration would be afforded to it.
He hoped for the ,sake of -Ireland, that the present debates
would not bendleitirneerbeeendAo-night.
Mr. STAFFORD.: O'BRIEN, as a Member connected
with both''countries, imaged to state that he most cor-
dially agreed in the, opinioriS,Which had been expressed by the
Right Hon. Baronet who had last addressed the House, with
reference to the eondtiat of those officers who, under the most
trying and diffiault.eircumstieees hadbeen appointed to the
onerous duties-of -tarrying out' the provisions of the measures
proposed by .her Majesty's 'Government to meet the existing
distress of Ireland. The-Rieit Hon: Baronet who had just
sat down had given the .Not a Lord 'some wholesome advice
upon the subject of waste lands, and he wished to add to that
advice that it was not-tlie Members who first suggested
this subject:- to Goveinntent.—( Hear, hem) If this
Bill were peissidr,withr.tita hlessingnf God, he believed
their chances of, the next, hfi.rv'est in Ireland were as good as
ever they were;:butnothingeo.old bt done witheset t heefforts anel
exertions 0114'4 Trills landhirds, .and in resuming his seat he
mast again •eiihorethetii tri-bi''Snore persevering than they had
hitherto been.:4l-I:ear. bear;.) -
The Bill'-vias then;teal;:n' second time, and ordered to be
committed isr Thursday.

DESTI-MTEPERSONS (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord JOIHN,RUSSELLiti moving the second reading of
this Bill, iutitnated that, as.-this Bill was for the immediate
relief of the itasVing- pedrie e Ireland, for whom work could
not be obtaintttl, and was IlieFrfore exceedingly pressing, he
proposed to haie ecuunritted.;tin Thursday. "
Mr. BOUVERIE".Cohfet slot allow the Bill to be read a
second time wkhont calling. attention to the serious nature of
its provisionil Goveriirlient- had admitted that the plan of
employingethe people had entirely faded, and therefore this
Bill was to provtifelood for-the people out of the consolidated
funds. There*asiio mart in the House or the country who
would grudgeth4-monerforthe relief of the Irish people, but
itmust be-remenib-ered drat there wAs likely to be a deficiency
of the fond of:the, Irish Tipiiple for some years to come yet,
and he wanted_te 4tnow'if the House was prepared on all oc-
casions to •matte up the deficiency out of the Consolidated
Fund? At=-all eveir-s-, if -the House was, he was sure the
people of this.cotiniry woe not; the consequences must be
eventually frightful: --('leiir.;; hear.) '
Mr. GOULBURIN" saiT-the.Bill gave the Government in-
definite pniver to draw. tipiin,the Consolidated Fund for any
money that rniglth-be-reqUired for the relief of the poor of
Ireland. Now he-;thiUight 'the more constitutional way would
be for Government to caltuplin-the Home, from time to time,
for supplies for this 'pari-linlar purpose, however large they
•
might be.
The Bill was thedread a se'6ond time, and ordered to be com-
mitted on Tinrsd,..y. • : - •
PCOOR ItELIgVORELAND) BILL.
This Bill was read it 'aiiotitt time, and ordered to be com-
mitted on Monday next.'. -
• CHELSEA'-PENSIONERS' BILL.
The
ET repett on tithe, _ ffilc *' ought up.
—is
r.4IOrTM TIES .BILL.
The seeorid4Bdirt'edtqfitißill was postponed till Friday.
The House -then adjOtirned at Half-past Eleven o'clock.