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London, England, 1841-09-18 00:00:00

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negociate with foreign countries whether we would
relieve our own people from a vexatious law under which
they suffcrel ? and were the mannfacturing ant. com-
mercial interests of this country to be told that they
were not to be relieved from their restrictions, unless it
pleased the Governments of France, Portugal, Brazil,
and the United States, to assent to certain things, and
to say whether they would permit these relaxations or
not? He (Lord Palmerston) said, that what they had
p'roppsed was , good in itself, and ought to be adopted
-without reference to such negotiations.—(Cheers.) But
would they not. have been in a much better position if
they had adopted_ these measures before negotiation ?
.• Would any man tell him that negotiations with the
. brazils would not be carried on in a better spirit—if
. . Parliament had adopted the measures they proposed, if
• „ they were able to say, not only that they wished fir free-
. dozn of commerce, but also that they practised it as far
as the existing state of things would permit ?—(Cheers.)
When we begged them!to ,vet rid of their restrictions and
monopolies, would not our words have ten times the effect
'• • they now had, if we could refer then: to oar own example?
• i And unless we did so, when we applied to France and
other Powers to reduce their tariffs, would they not bid
us remember what we did in 1841, when we said restric•
tion was necessary for our interests, and tell us that they
!--,,-, only said the same—(Cries of " Hear, hear.")
was true that with regard to France there was a dis-
V,_.i) i;•i,till4ftociation going on for a reduction of the tariff of
•„_°_(it,r4:*o949tries, and undoubtedly if those negotiations
*34; 3:4).,aIMYFIe to a satisfactory conclusion. and the English
i_ll),,y..qfnent had consented to a considerable reduction
311 mt tutlot brandy, it would have been necessary for
duty
haneellor, of the Exchequer t o have. made some
Astc)4ion for the temporary deficit that would have been
liteJ9lly occasioned. • Bat the French Government were
t4lat, as the negotiation was not concluded
part
Aloics early of last year, it could not be
*dolma -.the beginning of next year, be-
- Cause ;t ' • • -
•••,--I,was me n •ustent to do so at a long
period:
for it's e it could he submitted to Parliament..
sanction. He said, therefore, for these reasons,
that he thought the country would nut consider the ma-
.,
pbsoeai.rlLisie assigned by the Government satisfactory for not
gd tivoll'hin a short period from the present time pre-
state fully and fairly their views and intentions
• . with respect to the great questions that agitated the
minds of the country ; and he again said lie should be
greatly mistaken if Honourable Gentlemen opposite did
not feel that, however backed they might be by a majo-
rity of the House, they would not be backed by the opi-
nions of any great class or interest in this country.—
, . (Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet prided himself,
and justly, on the choice which he had made of the Lord
Lieutenant and Secretary for Ireland. His Noble Friend
(Lord John Russell) with that frankness and can-
dour which distinguished him, was the first to
bear testimony to that effect, but his Noble Friend
did not say that these appointments guaranteed that
Irish affairs would be administered in the spirit which
the wishes and feelings of the country required. He
had merely
.said that so far as the appointments went
they were indications of that meesure, and he (Lord
Palmerston) could only hope that the opinions of the
Right Hon. Baronet of the appointments would be borne

out, not only to his own satisfaction, but also to that of the
„people of Ireland, for it was not less true now than for-
'ctifi merly that Ireland was the great difficulty of persons taking
tte !Ace. The:Right Hon. Baronet had stated frankly that he
!lotewould not hold office longer than would enable him to
net. upon his own opinion. He had no doubt that the
-Itight Hon. Baronet would act upon that declaration.
Yew thing in his past life confirmed his statement, but
lee (Lord Palmerston) should be sorry to consider that
intimation on his part as any guarantee that his opinions
would be tarred out, for when he saw the homogenous
mass of opinions entertained by the great party by whom
it was supported, and when he knew how widely the
opinions of many of them differed from those he (Sir
.R. Peel) himself entertained, he mast say that, how..
ever satisfactory his statement might be as regarded his
',personal intentions, it could not be considered as any gua-;
rantee that he would be able to act on his opinion. How-
'ever, with regard to that, time alone would show; but he
• could only think that the Right Hon. Baronet had Rot
given any satisfactory reasons for abstaining thus from
stating those opinions which a man of his knowledge,
t;,tpacity, and attention to public affairs must .have
'formed.—(Hear, hear.) The only opinion the country
could form on the studied silence of the Government
'was that it was not at present a united Government.
That was the opinion they would come to, and there-
fore it was doubly necessary to have prevented that
-opinion, that the Right Hon. Baronet should come be-
:fore the House as the representative of a united Go-
vernment with the measures they proposed, or, if it was
orrect, that it should be admitted and fairly stated to
11 to country. If the country were given fairly to under.
:stand that the reason of the delay was that the Govern-
ment was not agreed as to the measures that ought
•,o he proposed, the good sense of the country would
probably induce them to bear it, only he (Lord Pal=er-
:. ton) would suggest that in such case the results might
e obtained before February next ; and that, as stated
b y his Noble Friend, the Right Hon. Baronet would be
a'is'le to state in October what was the decision of the
caNnet —what they were prepared to offer, and what
they • were determined. to resist.—(Cheers.)
r. VILLIERS, who was for some time inaudible
in co. nsequence of the. noise occasioned by Members
leavin .g the House, said that he could not loose the op-
. portut 7ity of expressing his opinion that the feeling that
would be entertained by millions in the country with
respect to the conduct of the Government would
b e that of intense disappointment.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
2 Tothing could be more unsatisfactory than the course
r bbout to he taken, unless it were the reason assigned for
i t. During the last year nothing had been done, but
vaiting w ail this hour should arrive. What remedy
vould be applied to the great grievances of the people ?
. All the business of the country had been delayed on the
t ;round that the men in power had not. the confidence of
t Ism country, and that men better able to conduct the
C k ivernrnent were ready to take their places. The Right
I lon. Baronet had created every obstruction to the Go-
ti until he drove them out, on the ground that he
• vas ready to form an efficient Government. Now, the
eople had for four years unceasingly complained of the
3orn-laws, and had shown that the predictions made
A rhea those laws were enacted had literally been fulfilled.
I i:vidence to that effect had been substantiated before a
C 'omrnittee of the House, but it had been rejected
b y the opposite side, on the ground that it was
o. 1c- tided and partial. But evidence had been offered
at the Bar of the House, where a partial inquiry could
in If suspected. But that was refused, and when Go-
v( e•rtaxent admitted that the grievance was great, and
ait remedy could not longer wisely or justly he
p a itpon.ld, and when a united Cabinet produced a Enea-
Si I. e whioh, although it did not meet all the necessities of
th case, would yet remove many evils and do great good.
Fv ery obstruction was offered by the Right Hon. Baronet
tut til he drove that Cabinet from office, and now he re-
fes ed to allow the question to be discussed. The whole
e ar had been lost by those obstructions, and now the
I ..ight Hon. Baronet required five months to make up his
o pinion. It was inconvenient, indeed, for Gentlemen to
rc unain in town. Why, then, did they not make the in-
.Liry before ? How would their reason satisfy the people
'ho were starving in consequence of that law ? He
k now there were questions upon which the Right Hon.
;tar 'met ought to be allowed time, but this was one upon
. 'hie h his opinion must be completely formed, and the
eople will not think that by the postponement they will
g et s. better measure. The Hon. Baronet hid taken into
b is Cabinet men known to be the most determined friends
o f monopoly.--(Oh, oh.) Why the Gentlemen who had
I ately gone back to their constituents, had said a great
d about attachment 'to the state' and In the church.
a .nd the favours they had received from the First Lord
o f the Treasury, but not a word about the monopoly of
)0d which they maintained to keep up their rents. He
Ii ad never known such sedition spoken by the working
Si ten as was uttered by those gentlemen when out of
ttilice. They had endeavoured to bring the Sovereign
fist `o contempt.—(ol4 oh). The cap seemed to fit how-
%are), ".—(Opposition cheers). He believed, however, that
no .rovereign was more popular than she had become
• the showed her desire to relieve the wants of the
poopl e.----(Cheers.) It was dangerous to make the
plop], 3 be sieve that they could hope for nothing from that
• oust,. Cvntlemen opposite were making still smaller
ti to pttrty, which was already small, of those who thought
ti tat the peop.'e would receive justice from Parliament.
_ _jfear.) Th s.upper classes always taught an untortu-
o ate lesson to the • people, which drove them to violence.-
- ( Hear.) They la 'everted the purpose of representation,
a nd instead of discu2sing questions in that House, they
-c impelled the peopl3 to discuss them out of doors, where
tl ass questiowwould event:kallY be decided. The course
• the Right Hon. Baronet N..ats unwise and unjust, and
• aid cause the country to be agitated for the next five
na.o. iths.
t Ir. BROTHERTON said that great distress had pre-
iii ed for the last four years arnongs.t the working classes,i
a kui it was increasing. A meeting, been held a
lehester to address the Queen not
_had
Atm lent until something had been done tdP torelieverogu
trade,
'alid ,especially in respect to the provision laws. It was
e Faadre
the
,g, meral belief that the distress was occasioned by the
9orn-laws, and the distress was constantly increasing.
'II 1836 there was not a mill idle, nor a houshouseuninha-
"
ed ; but now there were a number of mills st.lnding
and hundreds of houses and cottages unoccupied.
The Ministers would incur great responsibility, if th:Y
allot 'red the winter to pass over without relieving this
/1111? Pal. ling distress, or at least letting people know what
ttended to do. If they said they intended to do no-
' t‘n.rtlig p eople would know how to employ their capital.—
Wear ,11 ear.) He cared for no party. He said, " perish
Party bu ` give the people bread."—(Cheers.) He knew
I%
c -was-, to argument so good in that House as a ma-
-1 sty ; but he would implore the Government to give
the,
indicat ion of their inteniion to allay the anxiety of
suffering peo:sle.
.sf.r. WARD could not help saying that, after the c0m-
.._141 a'.i.cations made last night and this night, the sooner
proceedings of the House were brought to a close
the better• fur people would cease to look to the House
• 11it
.E
any hope. .e was willing to give the Right Hon.
_
!O net a fair trial', as he had fairly won his place : but
b1)0 It this question of the monopoly of corn, he ought to
~ I I spared to state his views. The Right Hon. Baro-
net h al said that he mould not condescend to work out
°on
the . . .
ions
of others, but that next year he would. be
14bpai ed to present atheacure of a united Cabinet.
(Iv.t.r. Ward) did not conceive that any' alteration
"niels would a
could',he made by the large concession to *he people,
nuke of Buckingham, by the
Right. Roil. Member for Kent, who had instantl' 01)-
Po sea ever that paltr
y
mot
He aid
not a
ivi .meteasmuch eith ure fur admitting bont.,4ed.
aceßigh!
• Gentleman, the
resident of the Board of
• after a speech lie lef-dllately made ; and such a
state eif things held out the most unfavourable prospects.
the „'f
in the manufacturing districts could not be
bgg ,-u-ated. He could state that in the town of Shef-
, a, hick he had the honour to represent, 3,200
u"uses re now untc-na t___tinder those circum-
hstananetsa, th,ought that nthe House and the country
expect from the Right Hon. Baronet a
a. right t.
ruure explicit d,‘ nitration than he had made.