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would he put that argument ? Let him go to the Brazils
and ask them to admit the cotton of England, and the
answer they would make him was, admit our sugar. He
would say he objected to it as being the produce of slave
labour. He would be asked in return where he got his
cotton ? and his reply would be that he was a practical
man, that he could not exclude cotton, but that he would
exclude sugar, if possible.—(Cheers.) He believed an
argument put in that way would only expose that coun-
try to the ridicule and contempt of that nation to whom
the proposition was made. The Noble Lord the
Member for North Lancashire had challenged
him to show how he was giving encouragement at pre-
sent to the produce of slave labour. He accepted the
challenge, and contended that if he sent a large quantity
of goods to Brazil or Cuba, even although they were
paid for in the produce of those mines which had been
referred to in the debates, and not in sugar, still if they
sent that sugar into foreign countries, it came to the same
thing.—(Cheers.) It reminded him of the story he heard
when a boy, of the cherry orchard, where a number of
children seeing a large supply of cherries in an orchard,
and not having money wherewith to purchase them, they
set about planting straw, which they sold to another
party, and then they went and purchased the cherries.
So that whether their goods were paid for in money
or in slave-grown sugar, the encouragement to
slave labour was just the same. These were the prin-
ciples of Mr. Huskisson, and they were the principles of
common sense, although he admitted they were not the
principles of the Noble Lord.—(A laugh.) He would
now take the article of refined sugar, the produce of
Brazils or Cuba, which they exported to the West In-
dies. Did the Noble Lord mean to tell him that that
was not an encouragement to slave labour ? It came to
the very same thing as if they allowed the introduction
of so much Brazil sugar into England ; and it appeared
to him that the attempt to shut it out was only making
the matter a little more round about. Although
he had troubled the House at some length„
there was one point he wished to allude to as related to
his own peculiar department. He was taunted with
having introduced a Budget founded upon a different
principle from that of last year, and he admitted that
his Hon. Friends had had some difficulty in defending
him. Now he submitted that he was neither entitled
to the accusation, nor did he entirely accept the defence
of his friends. When he considered the financial state
of the country last year, lie could not' conceive for him-
self that, independently of the difficulty of obtaining an
additional revenue, he had to look to the strong feeling
on the subject, which, however wrongly, had
spread itself at home and abroad, viz., the im-
pression that no Ministry could raise, and no
House would vote, additional taxation.—(Hear, hear.)
The people of this country, foreign nations, and the
friends of England abroad, as well as enemies (if
such she had), were to learn that whatever party might be
in power, whatever change might be made in the repre-
sentative system, there existed a spirit and a determina-
tion in this country to protect the public honour and in-
terest of the nation at large. Perhaps, not as a political
economist, but as one anxious for the general interests of
the country, he (the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer) had the honour, under those circumstances,
to bring forward a measure of direct taxation, and put
an end to that which he considered one of the deepest
calamities which could attach to a country. When he
came a second time to consider those circumstances—
when he found that they were called upon .to have re-
course to the country to raise additional means of meet-
ing the public exigencies, relieved as he was from the
consideration which weighed with him on the former
occasion, he determined on that course which he now
recommended to the House, and which he believed was
infinitely preferable to the course formerly adopted. He
had endeavoured to find out, but without success, what
after all were the opinions of the opposite side of the
House on the present question. It was the duty, not
only of Government but of that House, to provide some
mode.of meetirn, the financial difficulties in which the
nation was involved. 6 He ventured to propose a means
by which he believed the revenue would be increased
without laying additional burdens upon the over-taxed
people of this country. He proposed a scheme which
did not pay attention to the interest of particular classes.
He ventured to consider the general interest, and if they
thought he was wrong let them tell him what course they
would pursue.—(Opposition cheers.) lie was aware—
he saw from the course of the debate, that that was the
very question from which Honourable and Right Ho-
nourable Gentlemen opposite would shrink.—(Minis-
terial cheers.) When Mr. Huskisson was in that
House, without being a member of the Government,
and disapproving of the financial measures of the
Government of the day, he had the manliness to tell
not his particular measure, but the line Of conduct which
he thought ought to be pursued on the occasion. When
Earl Spencer was, with a small and hopeless minority on
the other side of the House, opposed to the Government
of the day, he had the frankness to state the financial
course which he thought it desirable to pursue.
When Lord Ashburton made his comments on
the finances of the country his noble relative (to do
him juWee) always stated his opinion boldly and openly.
There existed a great party in that House, the Budget
had been brought forward, and for a whole week they
had been in discussion—(Opposition cheers)—and he de-
fied friend or foe to tell what the principles of that (the
Opposition) party were.—(Ministerial cheers.) He defied
them to tell him what was the course which they were inclin-
ed to pursue. But he should say there was one Gentleman,
the Hon. Member for Stamford (Sir G. Clerk), who had
entered into a financial budget—who talked a great deal
upon principles of finance—upon disturbing causes—for
one whole hour, he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
listened to that Hon. Gentleman telling what were his
views, and if in one sentence there could
be by any means, any glimpse of his mean-
ing caught, the next sentence would completely
do away with the impression made by the former, He
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) could perfectly under-
stand that that was suited to Hon. Gentlemen opposite.
He could understand that it was extremely good policy
on their part that nothing should be said which could
enable one to tell what was the course they adopted, or
pretended to adopt, on the present occasion, But
that policy was not the old mode of proceeding,
and would not answer the people of England, The
fair mode in which the public business had been car-
ried on was by both parties stating before the House
and the country their principles, and asking the country
whether they approved of one or of the other.
I have been taunted (continued the Right Hon- Gentle-
man) for being a plain spoken man. Whether intended
as a sneer or a compliment I cannot in either sense re-
turn the compliment,--(Cheers.) I ask you for infor-
mation, not such as was wrung from me last year, and
which was inconvenient to the public service, and which
you refused, upon the motion of the Honourable Mem-
ber for Harwich ; but I ask you what course you
purpose to pursue. You are called upon, the House is
called upon—for It is the duty of the House to find se-
curity for the public faith, and sufficient means for carry-
ing on the public service—and I ask you, if you are pre-
pared to reject this proposition, what mode you propose
to effect this object ? I ask you, not whether you are
prepared with immediate taxes, but are you prepared, in
prefernce to this course, to adopt taxation ? I propose
a course by which I propose to raise a sufficient revenue i
without imposing additional taxes—are you prepared, if
you reject my proposition, to impose additional taxes ?
P?'ellose a course by which we shall open new markets to
the sabring trade and industry of the country. I ask, are
you prepared to declare to the country, if you reject
these principles, that you will not try others of a
ditibrent character ? I propose to give you an opportu-
nity, I hope; of uniting with foreign Powers in commer-
ciol intercourse, which, after all, is a stronger bond than
any that uty Right Hon. Friend, with all his talents, is
able to maintain. I ask you, are you prepared to declare
to foreign Powers that you will not abandon any prohibi-
tion or monopoly—that you will insist upon their taking
our goods, but will admit nohe of theirs ?
I know you will give no answer. I know that
the Right Honourable Gentleman (Sir Robert Peel)
never displays his talents more than when he makes an
able, valuable, and implartiana ssppceh„ bitt rendered more
particularly able yal~}t}hle, and- important, by not stating
Ile intends to do.----(Loud cheers.) I
know be will tie especial care not to commit himself on
this occasion. The Noble Lord the Member for North
Lancashire, differs widely from the Right Hon. Baronet
in caution and concealment ; no one can hp lads accused
of either quality, but even in Ilia spoeeli, I defy you to
find any sentellop whiolt a principle is laid down that
i 4 not overthrown by the sentence that succeeds it,
(Cheers.) Sir, whatever may be the fate of the motion
before the House, lam not ashamed, and shall not for
a moment regret having laid these principles open before
the eountry,-(Hear, li-ear.) Whether the country may
feel that those who brought them forward should carry
them into execution, or whether we shall have to give
effect to them in other hands—whether we shall have
exhibited the honest and nohle and generous course
pointed out by the Hon, Member for Kilmarnock, of not
attacking those great monopolies in a body, but one by
one—whether if this is to take place,and upon the opposite
benches I shall have to support these self-same namkwes,
one by one reluctantly admitted by those who now array
all their strength in opposition tq them,. is to me com-
PertilYely R Platter of Indilibreneo provided that eventu-
ally they are carried into ofibet.—(Lond cheers.)
Sir E, KNATCHIVULL moved that the Debate be ad-
journed till Monday.—Agreed to.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of,
and the House Adjourned at a Quarter to Twelve.

FROM LAST NIGHT'S GAZETTE.
CROWN-OFFICE, MAY 12.
MEMBER RETUIINE I) TO SERVE IN THIS VRESENT PARMA MENT.
TQws 440 PoiVr oi' SANowzcn.—Hugh Hamilton Lind-
say, Esq., in the room of Sir Rufane Shawe Donkin, deceased.

ST. JAMES'S PALACE, MAY 12,
The Queen Pi a 3 this day pleased to gofer the honour of
Knighthood. upon Samuel Hanooeit, Esq., Senior Exon of
)14 Majosty's Guard of Yeomen of the Guard.

DOWNING-STREET, MAY 12.
The Queen has been pleased to appoint William Lamb
Arrowsmith, Esq., to be Superintendent of the Government
Works and Repairs at Malta.

WHITEHALL, MAY 13.
The Queen has been pleased to present the Rev. James Car-
ment to the church and parish of Comrie, irt the presbytery of
Auchterarder and county of Perth, vacant by the transportation
of the Rev. William 111.ckemie to the church and parish of
Dtlnblane,
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,mmission by the Lord Lieutenant of the County of Nairn.
10th, or Inverness, Banff, Elgin, and Nairn Militia—C.
Cumming, Esq., to be Captain, vice A. Macpherson, deceased,
April 24.

Commissions by the Lord Lieutenant of Gloucestershire.
Royal Gloucestershire Yeomanry Cavalry—B. C. Browne,
Esq., to be Lieutenant-Colonel, vice Dutton, resigned; D
Whatley, Gent. to be Cornet, vice Guise, promoted, May 8.
Th

ie following places have been duly registered for solemniz-
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iam IV., chap. 6.5
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