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TRADE TO INDIA'.

031-1 FITZWILLIAM presented h Petition Nom cer-
rn Merchants, Ship-Owners, and others; of the
°'t of Kingstori-npon-Hall, praying a participa
1 -
lun in the British'Trade to India.
thrheNoble Earl also presented a Petition from
Guild and _Brotherhood of the Trinity House,
test
Pilots of the same Port ; and one ..from the
Docks Company of the same; both to the
ta
I.le effea as the first. All
which were ordered to lie on the Table.
a The Duke of BEAUFORT presented a Petition -for
of B
s'ruilar objea, from the Corporation of the City
ristol.
Ordered to lie on the Table.
Tlra Report of the Inspeelor General, on the state
h,,l„`le Piisons in Ireland, was presented at the BAr,
.6,41 r. Johnson, from the Irish Secretary of State's
ince.
•
14n, Ml. Base, Principal Cashier of the Bank of Eng-
al"' Presented an Account of the tota: Nominal/I: ue of Notes presented for payment at the
f°rand refused on the ground of their being
"rged.
Marquis of Sr4rronD pre-i-ented-s 'Petition
anci rn Certain Manufa6turers, and others, in the Town
to, neighbourhood of Kilveston, Staffordshire,
4 Similar etfea- with the abovetnentione&Petitions.

CATHOLIC QUESTION.
vi.rhe Earl of DONOUGHMORE rose to bring for-
oard and present a Petition from the general Body
iv his Majesty's Catholic Subjects of Ireland, which
61't fully, he observed, to express the universal
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uedivided sense of that great portion of the
vielt:Ple of Ireland, as to the important question
of. ch wonld shortly come under the consideration
their Lordships. That such was the • case, he
pad te
satisfaction of learning, not only from those
l 0 -
were more immediately concerned in forwai-d-
-st the Petition itself, but from his own knowledge
I, •t 0 the general sense and sentiment which pre-
"lled throughout the country as to this 'great na-
,io•, i question. 'He had, on the present occasion,
; request the particular aftection of their Lord•hips
0 the language and wording of the Petition, which
'it'as of the most candid and respectful nature, not
4/41Y to the high Assembly which it addressed, but
41%0 to-the cause and circumstances of the petit ton-
Zs themselves, and was, in Ins oplaion, called 'for
Y the justice and merits of their case. The pre-
sent Petition was at first, intended for ifgesentation
dya'Noble Friend, bit who was precluded Iron)
;itig so by indisposition ; and unable from the state
t
14', his health to state his sentiments on the subject,
hich he was extremely anxious of doing, but these
had requested and authorised him (the Earl of
id' to declare 10 his behalh . He concluded by
" That the Petition be now read," width
iytas accordirgly done so by-the Clerk, and ordered
"' henn the Table.
The Noble Earl also presented Petition's from' the
counties of Kilkenny, Monaghan, and Kild ire, and
'i°4l the City and CountY of Cork, praying theße-
t °vat of the various legal 4e,tri4ions and Disahrlie
ti
" which his Majesty's Catholic Subjects laboured
Under.
The last mentioned Petition 'was, on the motion
or
his Lordship, read at length.
E•arl GREY presented a Petition from his RI lj'esty's
il'ieCts professing the Roman Catholic religion in
tt" "gland. This document in some degree referred
tha former Petition presented on their behalf, which
ey request may be taken into their Lordships se-
-I,6us considerationc The signatures to the present
ctilioo were, 'from circumstances, tar more
tI utterous. It was signed by the most consi
o eE'able persons throughout the country of that
persuasion and by many Gentlemen of very
tc'usitterable property. His Lordship- moved that
the.
Petition be read, which was accordingly done,
0“ oidered to lie-on the table. The Noble Earl
theft presecred another Petition, which he observed
a') far) more numerously signedt han• the foregoing;ha
d the signatures of'many thousand persons font
erettt alla es in the northern parts of tie king-
urn, as Yorkshire, Durham, Nurthumberl md, and
Other places. It was not only a Petition from Ito.-
liTtt Catholics, but from other descriptions of
Issenters from the established Church, praying in
eutumon for relief from the various disibilities which
..11/7 suffered. The Petition syas also signed by
'l4 members of the Established Chutch, who
Were rightly of opinion; that ihe measure prayed for
'rested not only upon the principles .of justice, bre
Was nece•sary fot the security, will-being, and
tranquility of the country by inducing that even-
‘ive unanimity which was the only thing that could
Carry the country through the arduous -and event-
ful struggle in which it was engaged. The Prti-
Ift)n, which was read by ht,i Clerk, was entitled—
' The Humble Petition of the undersigned Chris-
tians:"

His Lordship afterwards presented Petitions from
1311 - field and two:her place; and also one signed by
Peron of all religious persuaions, from the Town
15t Berwickfupon Tweed,. •
Lard HOLLAND preseived a Petition to the same
"Met,-as we understood, Irani Norringham; all to.a
etie,tt, and which being% shot tlj read, Were or-
dered to lie oil the table.

The Marques o LANspowrit stated thit he had
rive Petitions direeled to the same objeol. Thtee df
these Were immediately handed to the Clerk, being
from'Exeter, Plalifax, and Bristol, and read in the
way.—The Noble Marquis then observed, he
had two other Petitions to present, of a totally diffe-
rent nature from any that preceded, and behold
therefore to call the particular attention of the
House to them. They were Petitions from Protes-
tants in Ireland, resident in that country, and from
Protestants in England, who .were possessed of con-
siderabli- properties in Ireland, praying that the Ro-
man Catholics of Ireland may be admitted to a full
participation of the benefits and advantages of the
common constitution under which Iliey all lived.=
They were not craving a boon for themselves, but
for others, and they considered lbe interests of a part
as the interests of the whole The one was signed

by considerably more than eight thousand persons,
and that from this country by upwards of one thou-
sand. He was further authorised to state, and as
far as his own personal knowledge enabled .hiin to
judge, he was correalty informed, that the signa •
ture of the petitions about to be read at their Lordl.
ship's table, represented decisively the greater part
of the proprietary of Ireland. Were their Lordsibps
to examine these signatures, they would find _the
names of many distinguished Members of their own.
-House—of a large proportion of the landed proprie-
tary .ollrelawf who considered the security of their
estates and properties, 'particularly- those of the ma-
ritime counties, as essentially conflated with the
furtherance of the measure in behoof of which they
prayed. Of many leading members of the milit.ary
and learned professions, who for themselves relin-
quished the claim to their respeCtive monopolies, as,
considering these professions may be More usefully
exercised for the public, by a full admission of their
Catholic brethreti. Of many of the parochial clergy
of the Established Church of Ireland, wlio to their
honour subscribed their names, in a conviction
ioCtniionto thefhat
such a measure would.greatlY tend, n,
public benefit, but for the, safety and advantage of
their own 'establishments, calling forth in their
defence the exeitions of the whole community,
upon the sole princhile u. on which those can be.
hoped for, namely, the extension o( the privileges of
the Constitution to ail those who live under it.—
.I'he Noble Maignis then rnoved--" That the first
mentioned Petition be read, and also that of the
Noblemen and others in this country, connected by
birth -or the possssion of property with Ireland."
These derma-tents were .accordingly read, and or-
,dered, to lie on the table. The Noble Marquis also
presented Petitions from the County of Kerry, and
Queen's County,, and from the City and County of
Limerick, in suppoi t of the Catholic Claims.
Th6.l),:ke of DEVONSHIRE presented one toahe
same effe& from the County of Dublin, and other's
were presented by the Earls of Besborough and Fit z-
william, the titles of v. h'cli being read, they were
ordered to. lie the table.

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Lord GRENVILLE observed, their Lordships had
now on their table Petitions in behalf of the just
claim of a proportion of more than a fourth of the
population of the Empire, and prayins relief from
the. disabilities by which they felt they *ere highlyinjured and oppressed. They had just heard read
Petill,,hs from their - Protestant fellow subjeas, of
requ„'ts so just . and r
Ireland, in support ofreason_
able, and praying tire' might be permitted to break
clown those h.,rrierair4thicb their Lordships still cont.
curred iii maintaining between them and their Ca.
thou', 8,..-triren. But he :had now to lay before

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them a Petition of a very different description and
character on the pert of the Uoiversity'of Oxford,
viz. otte pr4yng th-o their Lordships would steadily
continue 'to Muse thc_jus ices to the prayers and .
petitions of their fellow s .ojeeis, whether of the
persuasion of Catholics or Protestants, in England Or
ins Irelatid. The near relation in which he had the
honour to stand, andea great honour he certainly felt
it, naturally induced him to comply without hesi-
tation to the request of that learned body to present
their Petition to that House. He respected that
ference of opinion, which he greatly lamented. He
gave to others the full credit of entertaining an anxi-
ous desire with himself to do that which they deem-
ed best for the security and advantage of the estd-,
blishments of the country. He therefore presented
their Petition, while he was under the necessity of
adverting to his own unalterable sentiments, and to
his objection to oppose its prayer; not in the least-
front disrespea to them, but in pure justice to him_
self;, and La deelare that he utterly dissented- rom
the opinions therein adVanced, and disapproved of
its 'prayer, as really tending not to promote, but to
defeat those very objeels which the Petitioners have
in view. The Petition, he observed, was the as of
the majority, therefore the aa of the Corporate.
body ; but its adoption was far from being unani-
mous : it was diisenteds from by the Vice Chancellor
and both his Proaors, by, several heads of Howes,.'
and by many others remarkable for their learning,
wisdom, and talents. Coming forward as he did, he
had to request their Lordships would receive the'
Petition, and hear the tats and arguments therein
stated, wiqt thardegree of attention and respec to
which any thing coming from so respeaable a body
was justly entitled.
The Petition of the Master, SehOlars, &e. of the
University of Oxford was then .read* by the Clerk,
and for the rearins therein assigned, prayed their'
Lordships not to accede to these.claims,advanced by
the Roman Catholics, &c.
The'Petition was ordered to lie on the table.'
On the question for adjoMning,
Tlre Earl of LAUDERDALE rose, and shortly ad-
verting to the subject of the Orders in Council, -the
system of licensing, &c. notified his intention, on'
. -Friday next, to move for the produetinn of certain
farther documents tending more cleanly to
\sliew the
nature and area 'of the licensing system on the
trade of both countries.
Mr.. MEHBUX presented copies of the Military
Plans of the Marquis Cornwallis, relative to a trans
fer of the East India Company's troops to the ser-
vice of his, 'Majesty, pursuant to a recent vote of
their ,Lordships, which were ordered to lie oothe
table...—Adjourned till to-morrow:

ROUSE OF COMMONS.

MONDAY, APRIL, 20.

The House was summoned to the House of Peers,
tohar the Royal tV>setit given. by Colurnissioo to
4eveial public and private .134,18,—LF0r wejlich see
tords.j

I • f„ , .r •
A MeFiit7e from the- Lords SigpiEBcl Choir' agree-
Men! to t,h"Legal Quays Bill.
Lord G. L. GOWER presented a Petition from the
Mannf36urers of Bilston; in Staffordshire; against
t.he East India mnnopoly ; Mr. *STANIFORTII pre-
sented one from Hull, and 'Mi. BATHyRST another
font Bristol, on the same subject.--They were all
oldeled to lie on the table. •
Mr. O'HARA postponed his intended motion for
InstruCtions to the Finance Conithittee to inquire
into the stile of the Debt of England and Iteland, to
Wednesday nest.
Papers from tl'e Bank of England were presetited,
Containing Accounts of the stamped Dollars and
Tokens i,sued by the Bank up to th 13th ut
April, t 812 ;'ll,ti also the Balances in Cash belon!1-
ing to‘Pordic Offices, lying .in the Bark, from t:.e
loth of 06t0b..1, 1811, to the .13th of April, 1812
Orth.'red to lie on the table.
Various Papers were vresented, fan/lithe Trea-
sury.

The Committee on the Mail Coach Toll- txemn-
tion Abolition Bill wars posrponed to Nlrdoesday
next. - •

Mr, M. FITZGERALD gave notice that he. would
move to-morrow for an Address to the nince,
Re-
gent to stop the Distillation from Grain in Ireland.
Mr. POLE said, chat if becould have caught the
Spe4er's eye before, he would given notice of his
intention of moving to.morrovi for leave to bring in
a Bill for that purpose:
Mr. M.• FITZGERALD slated that he shoukl•still
persevere in his tuotitin, and his reason for so doing
was, that he did not the proceedirg.by Bill
sufficiently expeditious to merit the exigency of the
case.

Mr. W. POLE said, that the n-iude he-Auggested,
would fully answer the exigency of the case.
Sir F. BURDETT presented a Petition from Sa-
muel Fletcher, brewer, of Pimlico, complaining
against the Excise of iippress.ion.—Ordered to lie on
the table.

CATHOLIC QUESTION.
Mr ELLIOT said he was 'about to present in the

House a petition from a loyal, important,.and illus-
trious portion of his Majesty's subjths, the Roman

Catholics of England. 71'hose c:nirns were once in
the 'tends of one Who was capable of doing justice to
any cause'; bat the splendid talents to which they

were then committed had since been drawn frOrn us

by dispensations not to be questioned. The present
advocate, however, he hoped would be permitted
to say that there never was a period when great ta-

lentswere more nece•sary th.an now, under all the

aspe&s in which the public affair's had presented
themselves. The detail of grievances of• which the
petitioners complained were contained in the peti-
tion presented by Mr. Windham. in 18 10', Froth
that it.would appear that the Roman Catholics of
England were placed on a different looting from all,
others. The English Catholics were excluded from-
. many of the privileges which the Irish Catholics en-
joyed ; they could not vote for Members in that
House; they could not hold commissions in his
Majesty's army and navy. Such was the state of
persons whose names contd not be read without
emotions of the warmest kind, connealed with the
renown and past achievements of the courury.--
Such was the situation of the descendants of those
who had exerted themselves in former times, not
only against foreign influence, but in favour of our
dikarestid rights andliberties;and who, in conformi-
ty with such noble sentiments, had led our fleets
and•agn'res against foreign invaders. It was not his
intention to do any more at present than merely to
Move that it should lie on the table ; but he did not
mean• thereby to exclude himself from taking any
further proceeding when it should appear to be ne-
cessary..

The petitinn was then brought up, and ordered
:o lie on the table.

Mr. M. FITZGERALD said, he had a petition to
present in favour of the Catholic claims, signed' by
Protestants, having properly in Ireland, *the nature
and circumstances of which rendered some explana-
tion necessary. In the first place he should explain.
why it had fallen to so insignificant a person as him•
self, to introduce one of the most irnpot tant petitions
that had ever been presented to Parliament. - His
Right Honourable Friend, the Member for Dublin
(Mr. Grattan) having been unavoidably absent while

he petition was preparing, he (Mr. Fitzgeral,l) at-

tended to the detaili, and therefore was entrusted
with the care of the petition. It was a general pe-
tition from the Pro►estants haVing property in Ire-

_ _
land, and was perfealy new and unprecedented, nut
only in "the amount of property it represented, but
al4a as being the first general application of.the Pro-
testants irriteland in behalf of their fellow subieds.

It was sufficient for hitn to, state. that it spoke the
sense of the decided majority of Protestants haVing
property in Ireland, landed and commercial; but he
might be permitted further to explain, that though
Most, respealably and numerously,signed, it did. not
conta!in the signatures of all those who were favoUr-
able to the principle of the measure. He should
state why. There were many who thought it pro-
per that in the petition should be included, the con-
ditions and sectnities with which the measures
should be accompanied this • prevented them from

signing it. He did not wish to be. understood at the
same tirde as meaning to say, that those svho had
signed it were against such conditions, but that they
thought it'proper to leave the conditions to. Parlia-
ment i!self, instead of, didaking them in the body of
the.pet'tion. There were -many others of' those
with wore fat/durable to the general principle unwil-
ling to take.any part, in consequence of_ the violent
proceedings between the Government and the Ca
tholic3 of ' Ireland. He should add what he Was'
sorry to be obliged to add, that the petition, though
- guarded a§ much as possible against ail re'isonable
and fair ohje6tion, had all the influence of Govern,
ment. exerted against it.
Here Mr. POLE dissented.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD continued : as the feet he
had stated was denied, he felt himself hound to say
why he had made the statement. The Government,
he would again repeat, had most indecently inter-
fered with the petition. ~ They had inter feted with
one of the most important offices in consequence-of
it :.one of the persAis Intended to fill the office of
Sherlti for the next year, was set aside for haixing
signed it; it was
,signified to him that he. must
consider himself an improper per Son to hold that si-
tuation, after having affixed his name to such an.in-
struatent.. Persons holding places under Govern.,
meat wile told-tliat they wculd lost:Allem if they
signed it, and terlaLts were threatened in me they

should persevere in keeping copies of it in their

houseS. Yet, un Jrr a:I these circutnstances, it was,
a ptond proof of _the Pr .testant feeling in. Ireland on
thiS great o;tiOrpi bubjet.l He h.,d received a let-.
ter from Ireland by this d,,y'S post, ►nforming
`that ,everal copies of the pe.ii ion had been
the county of Down ; he should thttrefore, if he

3Ut rised by the Fiwtse to bring it ti;), recommend

it fii their serious cocsicii-r3tioli, .:s cont..tioilig the
geueial ,entirnents'of iriajorit of e Prote:itauts

of Ir 126(1,. avid iridepethlem of aDy
other moti,es than tho4t- of g9od Will to the Cat ho-

he part o their 1(.1lotv ,
Mr W Po sad, it ~as necessity to saV a few
wnidS, in consequence of of the, ni,.2riiont
hie, !lad bcen.,na..le by, lilt. itiht Hon: Gentle-
.

1113 r, Who had jw sat tt0'.4..13 fly ci;,3 not risr for
thrt purpos.. of .14g 311 y 4)t Bich
the Righ' Bon. Gent4einO3 toide ,p trig

the itumber. properly, ,t,e 7, tpe&t:ititl ty of
per,.tons who Petition Ihr! Pe-
tititya fo- 811 ibi• he k tie vto t cotltiary,
be Signed by a majority of flit P-0 t.:-.tn: o;tcrry
in Ireland; he p.al no means at I):e,c•tt cif. aso,r.

raining the fsel, and thetefo:e c 061,1 not contrallt,ll
the statement ‘t.h.7,li linib.L'en mad. "He
however, that theassertion of the light Hon. G,ti-
tienlan had very much-surprised hint, becathe it was

the first time that be had heard it piblicly stated
that a great majority of the ReptiesentAtives of Pio-

testant propertrin Ireland were iavo,iratile to ill, Ca-
tholic Ciaitus but he was still more surprised al to no

other parts of the R. -Hon. Gentleman's 'speech. It
vas perfeally wrl-1 knorn that the greatest pains Lad
been taken to RrocUre ssigoatures, tti :the Pettti,:n,
and if equal exertions had been used to excite' the
zeal of the Pro4estanton the other of the.cies-

tion, lite House would have received

Petitions of a very ditfmnt nature from thuse which
had 'been presented.' He knew, it-deed, that pains.
had been taken upon' the subjea, but,Ahe objea of
them was not to procure counter Petitions to the
Catholics, but to prevent' dissensions' between' the
Protestan►s and Catholics in Ireland; and above all,

between the Protestants theinselves. But the asser-
tion of the Right Ho77:Gentlethan, to which h(t

rose to reply, -arid to which he meant to give the
most unqualiteed centradidion, was, that the Irish,
Government had interfered, to prevent the Protes..
taets frOm signing Petitions in favour of the Roman
Catholic Claims, and tleit it had refused to apps kit
a person a S, eriff because t:e was favourable to the
Catholic Petition. He begged to state that he was
in Ireland when the Petition e hick had jest been
presented was sUggested by an Hon. Gentleman, at
the extraordinary • di.iner given in Dublin to the
friends of Religious Liberty. Fiona that moment
till the present he had never heard ehe slightest in-
sinuation thrown out that the Irish Government had
in any way wha:evet interfered with this Petition,
and he could most positively undertake to say, that
that Government had neither direally nor indirectly
interfered With it. The principle upon which the
Irish Government professed to ad, and upon which
it had invariably aaied,• was not to interfere' with
the Roman Catholics; or with Any other body of his
Majesty's subjela, Who might wish to state their
claims or their grievances in a Petition to the Leese
lature, provided it was done in a manner conform-
able to law; arid' he repeated his assertion, that the
Irish Government, neece, direly or indireedy,
in-
terfered upon the subject." With respect to what
the Right Hon. Gentleman had said Arent the reftke
sal to appoint a Sheriff, he must really, beg for some
further explanation upon the subject, as he was
completely ignorant( of the case to which he al-
luded. He had no hesitation, however, from his
knowledge of the prieciples 'by which the Irish
GoVemment was aCtuated, to deny. the charge,
and. he was sere that no person who was
at all acquainted with the charader-of the Duke
of Richmond would suspect him to be capable of
such conduct. The Right Hon. Genteman had
said that the partizans of Government had inter-
fered; he knew not what the Right Hon.'Gentle,
rola meant by " partizans." Persons might inter-
pose and suppose that they were serving Govern-
ment, when in fa& they were doing it the gti.atest
injury ; but if the Rght Honourable Gentleman
meant that any person bad interfered itt conse-
quence of any instruction, or sugges ion of the
Irish Goverpment, he was completely mistaken.
If any attempt of that kind had beau mode, it could
not have escaped the knowledge of his colleaene
opposite to him (Mr. Parnell), and heappeidecr to
him to keow if he had ever heard any charge of the
kind. Under these circumstances, he le,it it to be

his duty, to call upon the _Right Hon. Gentlemin
to come manfully forward and state his charge speei-'
Really, he wiSleady id meet it. He declared upon
itis honour and consciente, as a Gentleman, th he
di&norbelieve that there was the slightest founda-
tion for theinsinuation ; he wished that the Petition
should be received,' and that the subjem should be
investigated.; but he did not think it quite fir lof
the Right Hon, Gentleman to makfan attack of this
kind, unless he was prepared to Support it.
Mr. FITZGERALD had no objections to come man-
fully forward, and make a chargethe' county to
which he had alluded wasCar:ow. He had.also a
per(eo convidion DI the Lidswhich he llad crated.
The Right Hon. Gentlemin might not be aware
that on the • nomination of. Sheriffs
_taking
the name which had been mentioned was struck
out. He could also name persons holding offices.
under .Government, who were threatened; if they
signed the Petition, From tenderness for them and.
their famiiies, he would abstain from naming them.,
He could state ./3e fad, which was this—a person
had said, that be could not allow the. Petition to re..
main in his house, for that would be sulAcient
to in-
-.duce his di,chaige kom.cifie: /with regard tothe
. threats which had been held- out, he
name the ind•vidurds, as he did not choose to ex-
pose them to the resentment of Government.
Mr. NY. POLE said, he was perfectly satisfied with
the last expression. used by the Right, Hon. Gentle-
man, because rt wassa pretty strong
,proof that he
did not believe that the lei>h Government did not
encourage these persons, when
.he svgs unwiling td
mention their names, lest he should exposelhetu to
the resentment of that Govertuneht.
thrIGENAN thought, the Right Hon.-Gentle-
man upon inquiry would find himself unti•Uiken in
the hardy assertions he had mad,.l. Cie. had not
Seen the Petiti n, hut had nu doubt that it t ontain-
ed the names of many persoos of landed or open v,
big to say that it contained tie great mass of the
landed Protestant proprietors of Irtland was too

touch. The petition to his lidlowledge was 'ear, ied
about for .:ignatures, and ,muggled as it were:trOm
house to : ; .there way nor tine in . a bundled,
no tin' one in 1 t,, ,tisand hail read it.- In and
shout Dub.an had not oeen given to 4.7--
He could state not one hundred) part of the
Gent of Down rd it, and in Dublin the
stators s were ot lA,..ed by menace from the lower
sliopk.'epe:s by those ot mote extensive concerns in
trade. One -family in particular, possessing great
proper y, had been very aet ive to tavour of it, and pro,
curd some signatures. In the North of Ireland the
signatures obtained were very inSignificiO. Of five
counties he could speak irom knowledge there were
vt-ry few ho were trie,d,y io it.
Mr. PARNELL, ohserved, that his Right Honour-
able Friend, and the Right Hon. Learned Do&or
were at issue, for it seemed that the Right Honour-
able Doaor could assert as easily as his i R .....g.). Hpn.
Fri-itd, and it was as competent for the one to deny
as the other. But his. Right Hon. Friend had the.
advantage, for he had seen- the Petition, and the
Right, Ho.) El.,etor confe,sed he had not seen it.—
The Hon. Gentleman maintained" that it spoke the
sentiments ot he Protestant Landed Proprietors. •
Sir GEORGE HILL had good reasons to know the
sentiments of the Protestant Gentlemen in the
North of Ireland. They had been distin&ly told
bt Government, that they could not interfere either
one way or the other. In the province of Ulster
there was an effiirt made to obtain gignatures ; it
was not kung !Co the Protestants to challenge then) by
counter-petitions as in 1792. Living as he did
a tong them, he could safely assert that it was not
fair of the Right Hon. Gentleman to speak of them
in the decisive mAiner which be had spoken.—
, Ulster from its situation contains the greatest pro.
porti-in of the weaith and industry of the kingidum;•
if the Right Hon. Gent. therefore left thatprovince
out of his general observations he did cot a& fairly.
HN ,houlcihav,- a petition to pre* nt from London.
dertV ‘tgairlit the measure to-morrow; which would
show the 'House that the Fight Hon. Gent, was not
borne out to his alleged fatis.
W. P..LE exldained. -
Mr. Hu.TckuNsoN supported the motion for
,bringing p the petiiion, and trusted that before any
gernleti..n ventured to speak, he would at least be
convikced that there was not a revolution of. senti- ,
merits in.the people of Ireland on the subject of,
the C tholic el.:tins, which was evident from tlis
petit

Sir-GEORGE HiLr, would always venture to speak,
wii bout deference to the opinion or tke. Hon. Ges—
tleinan, if he wes satisfied he was right, and would,
in the exercise of that right, controvert dny senti-
ments, or words or language which he might use.
The Petition was then-brought up:
On t ••equest ion for laying it on the Table,
Mr. FITZGAKALD adverted to the charge made by
the Right lion. DOttoir of using hardy assertions,
and cootetided that he was totally ignorant of the
manner in which the Petition
,had been conduoled.
His statements were unfounded as to the obscure
manner in which the signatures were obrained.—
The petition Was adopted after The most cool' and
temperate deliberations ; the names to the petition
were to be printed, and of course he would soon be
illuminated. Fle admitted that some parts of the
, North might be hostile to the objeeis of the petition,
but he denied that he had challenged that hostility.
With respect to the insignifiance of which the Right
Hon. DoAor talked, was Fermanagh an instance of.
it were Newry or Belfast instances : and in all
those places hundreds of signatures were obtained.
In Newry, every commercial man but one had
signed, lie had not any wish to excite feelings
$ of 2, staarian kiod,.but lie had the pleasure to think
that the violet-ice of Government had been convert-
ed by the people into an active adyocacy on their
parts of the claims of their Roman Catholic fellow
übjets.
Dr. DUIGENAN, in explanation, ',observed that he
had stated that the Petition was left in the Commer-
cial Buildings in Duolin ; but he must still say, that
several persons were refused a sight of it, unless they
pledged themselves to sign it; and those who did,.
could not get a sight of the name of the person-pre-
viously signing it. In several Counties, the Petition
had been totally reje&ed by the-Grand Juries--there
was not a fiftieth part of
_the landed proprietors of
Down had signed it. In the adjacent town to Bel-
fast, LisbUrne, not tree commercial man had signed
it; and -in
_Armagh, the Presbyterian Minister
who signed it was turned out by his congrega-
tion, with the appellation that ho was a " Judas,"
However, there would be a final end to the asser-
tions of both when the names were primed.
Mr. CaAIG stated, that nearly three-fourths of the
Protestant Proprietors of Belfast were favourable to
the claims of • the Catholics.: The signatures of his
Constituents would have been obtained, if the ne-
cessarylorm of a Petition had been prepared.
Mr. La TOUCHE conceiving that the Right Hon.
Dr. alluded to his family, when speaking of the in-
terest which one familli had taken in Dublin, begged
leave to deny the assertion. But he had no hesita-

lion in saying that their opinions were changed ;~the
head of it had seen his error, and was DOW friendly
to Catholic concessions, conceiving those COUCeii-
SiOti m:c•ssary for the security of the Empire.
COL VBREISCR stated that Limerick was not fa,
vourable.

Tile Petition was then laid on the Table.

ROMAN CATHOLIC PETITION.

Sir JOHN NEieVPORT presented a Petition from
certain Roman Catholics of Waferlord, proprietors
of landed estates, praying for a removal of the dis-
abilities under which they labour.. The Right Hon.
Baronet stated, that these Petitioners had within
the last seven years purchased estates ftum among
the forfeited titles, to the amount of 200,0001. ster-
ling, and thej, 'now anxiously wished, to embody
themselves in support of the Constitution. He then
proceeded to remark upon something which had
.passed in former debates from Dr. Duigenan, but
was called to order by Mr. Pole Carew, -as irre-

gular.
Sir JOHN NEWPORT, however, contended that
be was in order, as the Right Hon. Doctor had
printed his -speech and circulated it in Ireland; it
therefore was public property; his constituents
complained.of the unfounded and calumnious asset-
'lions which were contained in that speech.
Dr. DUIGENAN was not prepared to expea .a call

from the Right riot,. Bart. in a petition from Ole
(,00ty,Thd Towo .4 Waterford. He never rT:ol-.
lecied saying a...v(lrd about, any purchases made by
roe eiedors of that town. The Right Hon.'Bart.
however seemed to him something like the Harle-
quin on the sid,4e, who had built a.ca'Ale of lath and
pl ister,,Mtreiy for the pleasure of beating it Flown
with. his d of i4t h. The Right Hon. Baronet
would have 'next Thursday a full opportunity of
displaying his znatorial powers, ail(' of controverting
all he shot.o.d Ipy down, for he assured him that on
that dad be,_ Mould speak very -folly upon the sub-
jett. The petition was then brought up,