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THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY, MARCH 25, 1841.

England and Wales. He intended to limit the nure';er
to tnirteen. Then with respect to the question as to
the size of the unions. He had communicated
with the Commissioners, and he intended to propose a
clause which would enable the guardians to form
local committus in unions of a certain size. He did not
wish to reason on that occasion upon this matter, but it
would be obvious to the House that in many inttatces
erla a unioes had been formed of aiarie size, and what
might be thought inconvenient, that it would be very
undesirable, in consequence of the arrangements
of the workhouses, to break up these unions,
and he thought that by hiving Committees sitting in
different places, the whole object of Hon. Members
would be attained. He also intended to propose a
clause which would alter the provision in the
Poor-law Amendment Act, wiih respect to the
emigration fund; and he should also propose
a clause with respect to the scales of voting more rest m•
bling the mode established by the Irish Poor- la v Amend-
ment, and that adopted in the English Registration Acts.
In one clause in which it was said that perishes were
to be divided into wards, with a population of, he
thought. 8,000, he proposed to increase that number
t ) 12,000, with a proviso that it should not go by popu-
lation, but by the number of houses. 'With respect to
the amendments, to which it seemeii to him that he
could at once give his support, there was one amendment
proposed with respect to the definition of a general
rule. He thought that definition much better than the
ore which now stood in the Bill, and that it would
lessen the nnmbcr of rules to be considered as general
rules. There were some clauses with respect to reli-
gious instruction, and the attendance of workhouse
aupersat places ofpublic worship, which he could not say
be was prepared to adopt as they stood. The Ho-
nourable Member for West Somerset proposed a
clause relative to the remuval of paupers, which be
would support. Another clause, referring to the ap-
pointment of Assistant Commissioners as district
auditors—that %yes a useful clause. He thought
it advisabie that the salaries of officers should
be sanctioned by a yearly vote of that House,
as were the salaries of the Assistant-Commissioners.
An amendment was proposed to the clause relating to
the sending of children to district schools ; he
proposed to adopt that clause with some add Lions.
Tte lion. Member for Preston proposed an amend-
went with respect to the appointment of guardians to
their offices. He would support that
Tne Honi:urible Member for Leicester proposed
an amendme t with respect to cashing the guar-
dians
to order out-door relief to persons above'
the age of sixty years, also to enah!e them to order
out door relief to widows with families. He thought
that there might be some danger in adopting that
clause exactly as it stood. With respect to the
clauses proposed by the Noble Lord opposite
on the subject of rating, he thought these
clauses would be extremely useful, and he should there-
fore support therm. The Right Hoe. Gentleman the
Member for Kent, had given notice of some clause
with respect to the application of the produce of the
rate of parish property to the liquidation of el aims
upon the parish ; he thought, to a certain extent, that
principle might be adopted, but the I.tter portion of the
el tuse required further consideration. The Right Hon.
Baronet the Member for Tamworth had proposed an
amendment wit' respect to persons asking for alms,
and suggested that the t rms in the Vagrant Act
should be introduced. Now he (Lord J. II ) thought
it m ght be as well, to remove all doubt upon the subject,
to introduce the amendment of the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman. There were several other amendments which
he was not at present prepared to give an opinion
upon, but lie thought it would be useful to state
to the House what his intentions were with
respect te those to which ha had alluded, and
he trusted the House would pay the greatest
attention to the discussion of the various clauses
of a Bill, which must be admitted on all hands to be of
the most important nature.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. GRIMSDITCH wisited to ask whether it was
inteaded in the proposed reduction of the size of unions
to separate the towns front the agricultural districts ?
Lord J. RUSSELL proposed that a Ceminittee
should be appointed to adjudicate upon the most pressing
claims that arose, but he did not mean to propose any
'enaction in the size of the unions.
COPYHOLD TENURES BILL.

acre were a number of individuals in town at prevent
for the purpose of watching the progress of the Bid,
who would be greatly inconvenienced by any delay.
—(Hcar, hear.) Tile amendments which he proposed
to make ware not amendments at all affecting the
principle of the Bill.. On these grounds, he certainly
would prefer to proceed at once with the Bill in its
present form.

Mr. HUME said the Hon. Member was scarcely
in a condition to proceed with the Bill. The Bill which
the lion. Member obtained leave to bring in was
to regulate the law as to copyright of designs on
woven fabrics of cottons, &c. ; but the Bill
now befere the House extended its provisions to
designs of metals, mixed metals, glass, shawls,
snd every other description of our manufactures, and
must take all manufacturers in those branches by
surprise ; they had got no notice whatever
of the intentions of the Honourable Member. Even
now the preamble of the Mil was incomplete. If
the Honourable Member had intended to in.
chide every sort of manufacture wherein de-
sign formed part, he ought to have said so in
his preamble in order that all who were to be affected
by it might have had notice. He was aware that the
811 had brought many gentlemen from distant parts
of the country to London, but the que,tion was not one
of convenience to them, but whether the House of Com-
mons ought to discuss a Bill so different from that
which the Hon. Member oht tined leave to bring in. In
h s opinion each of the articles enumerated in tie Bill
ought to have been proposed in a Committee
of time whole House and there discussed. That not
having been done, he would ask the Chair whe-
ther they were in a condition to proceed with
the Bill. He submitted to the Honourable
Member that the best thing he could do would be to
adcp`, the suggestion of the Right Honourable
Gentleman, the President of the Board of Trade,
amend his all, and
give notice to all whose interests
were to be affected, and bring it on on a future day.
Mr. E. TENNENT said the Hon. Member had
stated this measure ought to have originated in a resolu-
tion of the House. Now, if he would turn to the Votes
of Use Bth of March he would find a resolution had been
actually passed.

Mr:fiUME—Read ; there is nothing about glass
or metal in it.

Mr. E. TENNENT continued—The Bill was drawn
in perfect accordance with that resolution. Since the
principle of the Bill had been agreed to by her Ma-
jesty's Government, and all parties had agreed that some
such Bill was necessary, he would not detain the House
with any ar,,uments in support of it. There was one
po;nt, however, to which he wished to draw the
attention of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Pre-
sident of the Board of Trade. Gre'at importance
had been attached to the statements of the parties in-
teres:ed in the measure. There were 179 firms in the
three kingdoms, and of all those there were only thirty-
six opposed to the Bill. There were 3,000 printing-
houses in the United Kingdom, and of these only 1,319
were against the measure. Many of the manufacturers
of Belfast complained that for want of sufficient protec-
tion being given by the present law, they were frequently
at a great loss, in consequence of goods remaining on
their hands after the expiration of the copyright. With
respect to what had beet said relative to the establish-
ment of schools of design, unless some protection was
extended to those schools there would not be the
the slightest use in the establishment of them. One
gentleman in Dahlia had stated to him that he
could give employment in designs to an extent for
which he would have to pay between 8001. and 1,000/.
a year, and that he was willing to take a large number
of boy s, but on applying to their parents he met with a
refusal. Generally the parents of those boys were well
apprised of the prevalence of piracy and copying in Eng-
land, and they stated to the gentleman that if they sent
the boys to a school of design they would not get pay-
ment for their industry, that the copyright was not pro-
tected, and tha', therefore, their children would be la-
bouring to no purpose. With respect to what the Hon.
Member for Kilkenny had stated relative to improving
the taste of the producers of designs by admission
t) the public galleries, he (Mr. E. 'Ferment) would tell
him that that was not the way to bring about that
desirable object. They should regularly a locate them
in schools of design, and thereby their taste would be
really improved. The Hon. Member concluded by
moving that the Bill be recommitted.
Mr. HUME objecte 1 to the recommittal of the Bill,
as it was contrary to the rules of the House. He
begged the Clerk would read the motion upon which
the Bill was first introduced to the House, and they
would then learn what were the intentions of the Hon.
Member. _ _ .

Mr. G. W. HOPE said perhaps it would be con-
‘enient for him to state the course which he meant
to take upon this B li. He proposed to go into
Committee pro jorma this day week, then to allow it t 3
stead over unt►l after Eastar, and Olen to t ike the dis-
cussion upon it at its re-commitment.
POOR-LAWS.

In answer to a question from Mr. lIALFORD,
which was ioaudible,

The Clerk then read the Order of the 9th of Feb-
ruary, which was for leave to bring in a Bill to extend
the term of the copyright of designs of printed and
woven fabric and paper.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the Hon.
Gentleman meant to introduce glass, metal, carpets,
and other articles in that Bill, when he first introduced
it. He complained that the House and the country
was taken by surprise, because the rules of the House
carefully guarded against any alteration being made in
matters affecting the trade or commerce of
the country, and they , required that every such
elieration should be made in a Committee of the whole
House. He submitted that the Hon. Gentleman's Bill
was irregular, and having stated thus much, he hope l to
hear if there was any resolution of the House, or any
instruction to the Committee, to depart from the rule
laid down so carefully for so many years.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said his object was to
preveat the Cothan6sioners from making the wards too
smeal. For to sake of convenience a certain size was
required to constitute a ward.

Sir R. PEEL inquired what was proposed with re-
spei t to large manufacturing parishes at present go-
y:riled by Local Acts. IL understood it was the in-
tention t 1 coutdme the operation of the law, and that
the Uoannissoners should not have the power to inter-
ere, but as the Bill stood ;..t present this was douLtrul,
and the Poor-law Commissioners having attempted to
hrii•g cert tin parishes under these regulations it was
de arable that the point should he cleared up.
Lard JOHN RUSSELL said he understood that
it was not compLtent for the Poor-law Commissioners
to place parishes governel by Locil Acts under a hoard
of guardians cotisiittA,:d by the Poor.law Act, and the
cot scquenee was that many large parishes were not
under the directions of the Commissioners, so far as
the boards of guardians were concerned.

Mr. LABOUC HERE said lie- did not rise to ex- '
press any opinion on the technical point that had been
raised. The rule was that all Bills relating to matters
of trade should be introduced in Committee, but on
questions like the present, the House only required a re-
solution of a general nature. The Hon. Gentleman
f Mr. Hume) said the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mr.
E. Tennent) had attempted to take the House by sur-
prise, but if he recollected the discussion that took
place on the second reading, he would allow that this
was not the case. It was then, he believed, unani-
mously agreed, that whatever might be the opinions
respecting particular points of the Bill, that the law on
this subject, instead of being scattered in four or five
Acts of Parliament should be collected into a single
Bill ; and, therefore, to go into Committee on the pre-
sent occasion, would not be a surprise to the House.
He should regret that any technical point should pre-
seat their proceeding to the discussion of the Bill in
Committ,e. The Hon. Member (Mr, Hume) had
objected to glass, metals, &c., being included in the Bill,
and said that the question had not been raised before ;
but it should be remembered that they were about to
consolidate the law. It nes, therefore, not right to
olij,ct to the course adopted as unfair, since the Bill
had teen drawn up for particular cases, but was now
become a general Bill.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. WARBURTON said that if a all were intro-
duced into the House, affecting trade and manufactures,
nri during the progress of the Bill it was desired to in-
troduce a clause affecting any particular trade or manu-
facture net before mentioned in the Bill, that clause
must be introduced in a Committee of the whole House.
It was like a money clause in a Bill. The House at
present did not know what part of the Bi.l was ori-
ginal, and what was not ; and he would suggest to the
H. Gentleman that he should follow the recommen-
dation of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the President of
the Board of Trade, to reprint the Bill, with indica-
tions in the margin as to what was the old law, and
what was new.

Sir R. PEEL said that the Act took away from the
Commissioners all power of dissolving unions without
the consent of the majority of the beard of guardians,
but it did not deprive them of the power of adding
to unions without the conseat of the guardians. Now,
as one of the great causes of complaint against the law
was the s ze of the unions, he thought it would be very
satisfactory to have a provision introduced into the
8.11, preventiag the Commissioners from adding to
unions without the conseat of a majority of the guardians.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL was afraid it wool.' be
hardly practicalAc to introduce such a provision, inas-
much as some of the unions at present were so exces-
sively small, that it would be absolutely necessary they
should be enlarged.
Mr. HALFORD gave notice of an amendmeA
which he intended to propose on the thirty-eighth
clause, in the shape of a proviso that in assign-
ing the number of guardians to the wards of
e..ch union the Commissioners should have regard t, the
aggregate amount of rates paid by such wards towards
the relief of the poor.
COPYHOLD TENURES BILL.

Mr. AGLIONBY wished to know from the Hon.
Mcmher for Weymouth, whether in the Committee of
the whole House on the Copyhold Bill he intended to
propose any increase of salary to the Commissioners.

Mr. G. -W. HOPE said the Hon. Gent!einan must
be aware t .at the Commissioners for Tithe Composi-
t on wer.i the Commissioners appointed under the Copy-
hold Bill. By the Bill as agreed to originally na
increase of sa'ary was proposed. His (Mr. G. W.
Hope's) view of the subject, however, had been
that there ought to be an increase. On consulting
with the Government, howeier, they had expressed
it as their opinion that the original proviso ought to re-
main. Under these circutnst inces he should not propose
any increase of salary. Indeed, he doubted whither
it would be competent for any Member to do so with-
out having previously obtained the consent of her
Majesty.
Mr. AGLIONBY thought when additional and
onerous duties were imposed on individuals, a propor-
tionate increase ought to take place in the salaries—
(Clicers)—and he should certainly take the opinion
of the Hause on the subject.
DRAINAGE BILL.

Mr. WILLIAMS said, that in the second reading
of the Bill, the Hon. Member had been requested to
consolidate all the Acts relating to the copyright of
design. But the Bill tiow under discussion contained
many important provisions, which were not to be found
in the Bill when it was read a second time, nor in any
of the Acts which it purported to consolidate. Ile
wished to draw the attention of the House to three
most important articles of manufacture, in which it
was proposed to make great alterations. It was pro-
posed to extend the copyright of designs on carpets, on
glass, and on cloth, from twelve months to three years.
There were also other most important provisions
which were not to be found in the Bill as it
stood when it was origirally introduced, nor in any
of the laws at present in existence on the subject
which it was proposed to consolidate. There was one
provision of this nature of great importance, which
had been introduced into this Bill, and of which all
those interested in the trade ought certainly to have
had due notice. By the 6th clause it was provided
that no person should apply such design to any manu-
facture, or any part
.or portion of such design, either
effect of that clause ? Why, if any
fifteen
usually
entered
an y otherill n.tco entirely.pe.r thes o n
by adding to sue" design, or subtracting or taking any
patterns containing the common objects which
parts or portions from such design. Now, what
would be the
compositionacquitted t
hoof
Hp patterns, ri‘nise,mi-t
Cl co printer ordered his designer to furnish ten or 1
the continuance of
suchet e oann
would be perfectly impossible
duringfor any patterns to be
drawn by
the copyright.
to
acquaintance, and that
a
naryjeet
effect, but the fact was, the Hon. Member for
ber of any intention of produclemggisl
such, therefore, should be the effects of his legislation
could not be a matter of surprise. A measure of such
importance to manufacturers generally ought not to be
left to the care of an individual Member. The Go-
wl3l rtlif:aws th i
cite bad
be uhnadderntaokpernac
vernment ought to have taken up the subject,
and no one was so fitted to introduce such
a measure as the President of the Bourd of Trade.
It was too much that a question of this great impor-
tance should be left to be brought forward by gentle-
men who were totally unacquainted with those manu-
factures which were to be so much affected by this. Bill.
The object should be deeply and seriously considered
by the Government before they undertook to support
a Bill which would effect so great a change in many
important branches of our manufactures. The Hon.
Gentleman who introduced the Bill had stated to the
House that he intended to
H
make many important alte-
rations. He understood that it was also the intention
of gentlemen who were opposed to this Bill to propose
extensive alterations. Now he thought that the altera-

Lord G SOMERSET wished to know whether it
wa* intended to proceed with the Drainage Bill this
evening._ . .

11r. HANDLEY merely meant to move that it be
be committed pro forma.
Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY would oppose it in
every stage tmless the amendment, of which he had
given notice, were introduced.
COPYRIGHT DESIGNS BILL.

Mr. E. TENNENT presented several petitions in
favour of the Copyright Designs Bill.
Mr. G. W. WOOD and Mr. M'LEAN presented
petitions to the same effect.

Sir R. PEEL presented petitions from Dumbarton-
shire and from Surrey to the same effect.
Mr. MAURICE O'CONNELL and Mr. HOUS-
TON also presented petitions to the same effect.
Mr. LOCKHART presented fourteen petitions
from Glasgow, in favour of the Bill.
Mr. LABOUC HERE wished to throw out a sug-
gestion to the Hon. Gentleman who had introduced
this Bill. From communications which the Honour-
able Gentleman had made with the Board
of Trade, he (Mr. Labouchere) had perceived
that it was his intention to propose a number of altera-
tions in the Bill as it stood in its printed form before
the Committee. He would suggest to him whether
it woul l not be better and save even his own time
that the Bid should be considered in Committee in the
form in which it was intended to stand. He could
assure him t,l:at he did not offer this suggestion from
any desire to prevent the Bill from being fairly
discussed—he had no such intention. But from
all the experience which he bad in the conduct of
Bills in that House, he was satisfied that much time
would be saved by the House having the Bill before
them in the state as nearly as possible in which
the Honourable Member desired it to pas 2.—
(Hear, hear.) At the same time, if the Honour-
ble Gentleman believed that by not adopting this
suggestion, he would best promote the object which he
had in view, he (Mr. Labouchere) would offer
no opposition.. The Hon. Member would act upon his
own discrztion.

Mr. E. TENNENT said, in answer to the sug-
gestion of the Hon. Gentleman, he begged to say that

tions to be proposed by the promoters as well a; the op.. The County Bridges Bill was real a third time and
poncots of the Bill ought to be before the House be- passed.
fore it was proceeded with in Committee. The Bill as The Hougbing of Cattle (Ireland) Bill was read a
it then stood was encumbered with many unwise provi- second time, and ordered to be committed.
sions. It was vary necessary that they should see The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of,
what alterations were intended to be male. He,J and the House Adjourned at a Quarter past Seven
therefore, hoped that the Hon. Gentleman who had in. I o'Clock.
troduced the Bill would give the House a fair opportu-
nity of going into the question. This was the
more desirable, because the subject was only under-
stood by very few Members of that House.
He would undertake to say that there were
not twenty Members of that House who could
judge of the practical effect of this legislation upon the
trade of the country. He hoped the Hon. Gentleman,
in justice both to the House and to himself, would con-
sent to have the Bill reprinted with the alterations which
he himself intended to propose, as well as the amend-
ments which were intended to be proposed by the op-
ponents of the Bill.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISION.

Mr. MARK PHILIPS thought it only due to
the Hon. Member for Belfast to declare his belief that
he had not t dten any steps in reference to this measure
which could justly draw upon him the animadversion of
the House. He was quite certain that he had not in-
trAuced it without the knowledge and concurrence of
the House. But the question for consideration was
whether in the steps which had been taken with refer-
ence to this Bill, they had adhered to the strict rule
applicable in such cases. They ought to have gone into
a Committee of the whole House upon the proposal to
consolidate the former Acts in reference to this subject.
He trusted that his Hon. Friend would adhere to the
regular course. In making this remark he had no in-
tention to delay the measure any more than w,is abso-
lutely necessary. He was quite prepared to go on with
it if such were the decision of the House, but he
must say that some of the clauses of the Bi:1
was not so generally known as they should be,
and as the Hon. Gentleman had intimated his intention
of racking some further alterations, he would suggest to
him whether it would not be better to have the Bill re-
printed before it was considered by the Committee.
Perhaps the Speaker would have the kindness to state
what was his opinion upon the subject. He appre-
hended that they ought to have gone into Committee to
have brought the first clauses of the Bill before the
House, but that if they had omitted what was regular
with reference to the se clauses, they were still in a posi-
tion to go into Committee upon the other clauses of the
Bid. It was a question of convenience to the parties
out of doors whether it would be better to go partially
into Committee or wait until the Bill had been printed
with the amendments.

Sir It. PEEL said the standing order of the House
was, that no Bill relating to trade or the alteration of
laws concerning t-ade should be brought into the
House untii its provisions had been first considered by
a Committee of the whole House, and agreed to by the
House. He thought it would be too much to contend
when the Bill had been brought in in pursuance of a
resolution of the House, and at a subsequent stage it
was proposed to append to it an article not originally
included, that it was absolutely necessary to have
a distinct Committee in reference to that particular ar-
ticle. If, for instance, in the case of a Bill relating to
linen, cotton, and muslins, it was proposed to add calico,
it would in his opinion be perfectly open in Committee
upon the Bill to add calico without going through the
form of a resolution. In the present instance glass un-
doubtedly was not an object similar to those originally
included in the Bill. They ought not to legislate in
reference to glass without giving the glass manufac-
turers an opportunity of seeking to obtain a Committee
of the House upon that subject. It appeared to him
that the main point of difference was the extent of the
measure. The question with which the House would
have to deal was the extent of the protection ; and it
appeared tl him that it woul-I be desirable to adopt
the course pursued by the Noble Lord in reference to
the Poor-law, namely, to take the sense of the House
upon one or two main points. It would be very satis-
factory to those who were waiting in London to know
what was the sense of the House in reference to the
arii.:l,,s to be include 1.

(From the rotes and Proceedings of the House of Commons.)
TLY.ESDAY, MARCH 23.
PROPERTY TAX.
Motion made, and Question proposed, " That the assess-
ment of all property, real and personal, within the United
Kingdom, would be a fit and proper substitute for such of the
Taxes of Excise and Gustolns as press most heavily on the
middle and industrious classes ; and that such alteration in the
mode of raising the Public Revenue would be calculated, in a
high degree, to enhance the value of all property, particularly
by leading to tlic fuller development of the copious sources of
wealth in this Kingdom and its va,t dependencies :"—( Mr.
Scholefield: )—Whereupon, the Previous Question beinz put,
That that Qiestion be now put :" The House divided :
MINORITY—AYES, 27.
Johnson, General Turner, Edmund
Leader, J. P. Villiers, Charles I'.
Marsland, 1-L Wak ley, Thom4s
Muskctt, George A. Walker, R.
Philips, M. j Williams, W.
Bice, E. B. Woo.!, B.
Rundle, J. ]ate,, J. A.
Salwey, Colonel TELLERS.
Stewart, James Muntz, F.
Thornety, Thomas Scholetield, J.

Barnard, E. G.
Br therton, J.
Duke, Sir James
Evans, Sir De Lacy
Fieklen, J.
Greg, R. 11,
Hall, Sir B.
Handley, 11.
Hini7ley, Ci arles
Butt, NV.

Baring, F. T.
Bentinck, Lord G.
It:oadley, H.
Bruges, W. H. L.
Chichester, J. P. B.
Douglas, Sir C.
Hondas, W. D.
East, J. Buller
Farnham, E. B.
Fitzpatrick, J. W.
Fremantle, Sir T.
Gladstone, W. E.
Gordon, Robert
Goillburn, Henry
Griinston, Lord

Mr. HUME appealed to the Speaker whether in
point of form they could proceed with the Bill. It
proposed to alter the laws relating to trade in a variety
of ay ticles, and with respect to them, the Bill was not
founded upon a resolution of the whole House in Com-
mittee. If the rule was a good one, as he believed it
wag, it ought to be adhered to strictly, as it had been on
former occasions.

,JORIT Y-NOES,
Hale, It. Blag.lon
Hodgson, Richard
Hollnes, W.
Hope, G. W.
Howard, I'. H.
Inglis, Sir 11. H.
Johnstone, Hope
Jones, Theobald
Lowther, J. H.
Mars'and, T.
Monypenny T. C.
Morgan, lietavius
Morris, David
Pakingt,on, J. S.

40.
Pigot, D. R.
Richards, It.
Shaw, Frederick
Sibthorp, Colonel
Stuart, Lord James
Trevor, Hon. R.
Trotter, J.
Villiers, Lord
Wilshere, W.
Wortley, Lerd
Wyse, Thomas

TI:I.LE RS.
Smith, It. Vernon

Mr. GOULBURN svishel to state how the case
stood. On the 9th of February his Hon. Friend, the
Member for Belfast obtained leave to bring in a Bill
founded upon a resolutio❑ of a Committee of the whole
House for altering the law of copyright with respect to
woven fabrics of cotton, &c., and the Bill in strict con-
formity he brought in. In the discussion on the second
reading of the Bill it was suggested that the principles
of the Bill might be extended with great advantage to
other manufactures, and the Committee was instructed
accordingly. Under such citcumstances he appre-
hended that the rule was this—the Committee might
proceed with the Bill, for it was clear that if the House
give an instruction to a Committee which they had not
power to do, on the third reading those clauses which
violated the forms of the House would be struck out.

SeynnOur, Lord

THE FOUNDER OF GREVILLE-

STREET HOSPITAL.

On Monday evening a numerous meeting of the fiends
of the Grcvillc-street Hospital meet at the Committee-
room in Greville-street, to consider the propriety of voting
some tribute to Dr. Marsden, the founder, on which occa-
sion the Rev. Dr. Rice, High Master of Chri,tchurch
School, wag unanimously called to the chair.

The SPEAKER apprehended that nothing could
be more regular than the first introduction of the Bill.
The instructions afterwards given were not, in his opinion,
so regular ; it was clear that if the Bill proposed to alter
the law with respect to many articles other than
those considered in the Committee of the whole House,
those paiti of the Bill could not now be taken into
consideration. That, however, was not fatil to the
Bill. The Committee might proceed with the Bill,
taking into consideration those articles which were con-
sidered by the Committee of the whole House, and
leaving out of consideration articles not so included.
Mr. WARBURTON said after that explanation
from the Chair he trusted that the Hon. Member for
Thlfast would feel that it was impossible to proceed
with the Bill. The subjects or art eles were so blended
together that it was impossible to separate them.
Mr. E. TENNENT found the objections so nu-
merous, aad the difficulties so increasing, that he must
consent to the suggestii•n of the Right Hon. the Pre-
sident of the Board of Trade. He would go into
Committee pro forma ; but, considering the great im-
poitance of the Bill, and the interest take,' in it by
both sides of the House, he trusted the Noble Lord
would consent to give him an early day for its consi-
deration.

Lord J. RUSSELL, being most anxious to proceed
with the Poor-law Amendment Bill, could not give
the Hon. Member any other day before Easter than
Wednesday next.
Sir R. PEEL said, as his Hon. Friend, from the
course which the discussion hail taken, would of ne-
cessity have to make many alterations, he could not be
expected to go into Committee pro forma imme-
diately ; he could not be prepared to strike out the
clauses respecting glass, &c., on the moment. It should
then be postponed till to-morrow, that the Bill could
be re-printed in the state in which it would be sub-
mitted to a Committee of the whole House.
Mr. HUME suggested that the Bill should be with-
drawn altogether, and then to introduce a new Bill,
which he was satisfied would meet with no opposition
till it arrived at i s present stage.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. LABOUCHERE said a few words which were
inaudible in the gallery.
Sir R. PEEL thought the most judicious course
would be to bring in a new Bill.—(Hear, hear.) From
the disposition the Hon. Member had shown to meet
the views of the House, Le was satisfied that no ob-
stacles would be thrown in the way of advancing it to its
present stage.
Mr. SHIEL said there appeared to bo a general
feeling that the ail should be withdrawn. He must
say, however, that he was partly to blame, because be
had suggested to the Hon. Member to consolidate all
the Acts referring to copyright of designs. The sug-
gestion of the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for
Tam worth, to let the Bill drop and bring in a new one,
appeared to be a wise one. He could then take a re-
solution which would form a ba-is sufficiently extensive
to embrace all the points included in his Bill.

The CHAIR MAN said that his first connection with the
great charity of Grevillc-street was on being called upon to
preach fer it. 0., their investigating its claims to public
support, his principal feeling was regret that be had
been previously ignorant of its existence. The Re►. Gen-
tleman then alluded in very affecting terms to an incident
which had given rise to the establishment of the hospital—
that of a poor girl who had been found sitting on the steps
of St. Andrew's Church desolate and diseased, and in a
dying state. The other hospitals could not receive her at
the moment for want of a Governor's recommendation,
which, could it have been obtained with sufficient cekrity,
would still have been unavailable for admission until the
regular admission day. Moved by so afflicting an instance
of suffering in the heart of this immense and opulent me-
tropolis, Dr. Marsden determined that if his exertions
could avail, London should not be without at
Icat one institution for the reception of such
eases, the only title to admission to which should
be the want and misery of the applicants.—(hear,
hear.) For thirteen years he devoted his time and his pro-
fessional skill, and exertions, to the accomplishment of the
benevolent purpose, with what success, the present pros-
perous state of the Hospital sufficiently manifested, although
he had hal many and g eat difficulties to surmount, not
only those inzident to all such undertakings, but others, the
result of personal prejudice.—( Cheers.) Ile (Dr. Price)
felt assured that the friends of an institution which had
accomplished so much, and who took so deep an int, rest in
the extension of its benefits t tho afflicted, would not be
slow to record their grateful sense of such services on the
part of its founder.
The Rev. Dr. KNAPP, of St. Paul's, felt gratified by
having had intrusted to him the honour of moving the first
resolution, which was to the effect that the gentlemen pre-
sent had determined to obtain subscriptions for some tribute
of respect for, and record of, Dc. Nlarsden's valuable ser-
vices, to be presented to him in some suitable form, to be
afterwards agreed upon. He passed a very warm eulogium
upon Dr. Nlarsden for th 3 humanity which had led that
gentleman to conceive, and the diligence and perseverance
by which be had at length, with the aid of public benev.:-
lence, plac,d beyond all ordinary chances of failure, the
scheme of Christian charity which the hospital was de-
signed to promote. Thousands of the suffering poor had
in each year of late received the best medical assistance
under the most severe of human maladies, and many of
them an asylum in the hospital, with every proper care and
nourishment until restored to perfect health. Nor had the
example been lost on similar establishments, many of
which had relaxed their regulations, and are now affinding
facilities to admission considerably approximating to those
of the Greville-street Free Hospital.—( Cheers.) The
resolution was carried unanimously.
Mr. W. PRITCHARD, fully participating in the general
sentiment of admiration for the services of Dr. Marsder,
and of satisfaction to see the growing prosperity of so pre-
eminently useful an institution, proposed the second reso-
lution, the object of which was to give practic
effect to that which had been just adopted, viz,—
the appointment of a Sub Committee to take the
necessary step, and report f'om time to time, to
tile general body. He felt a difficulty in adding to the
eulogies so properly bestowed upon Doctor Marsden.
The interesting incident which had first attracted the
humanity and afterwards directed the efforts of Doctor

Marsden had been well alluded to by their respected
Chairman. Happy it was that that lamentable instance of
destitution amidst surrounding luxury had fallen witl in
the observation of one so alive to the Letter impulses of
our nature as Doctor Marsden, and still betor was it
that to such feelings there was joined in Doctor Marsden
the skill and perseverance necessary forgiving them cone-
p!ete effect.—( Cheers.)
Mr. ALEXANDER ROGERS seconded the motion, which
was carried unanimously. After some addresses from other
supporters of the institution upwards of 100 guineas wi.s
subscribed in the room. A considerable sum is expected.

Sir GEORGE CLERK thought leave might be
given to bring in a Bill tomorrow, and the discussion
in Committee might take place next week.
The motion was then withdrawn.
Mr. E. TEN NENT gave notice of a Committee of
the whole House for to-morrow, to take into considera-
tion all the Acts relating to the copyright of designs.
The Putative Fathers Bill was, on the motion of Mr.
MILES, read a second time, and ordered to be com-
mitted on Wednesday, the 23d Apri►.
COUNTY CORONERS.
On the Order of the Day for going into Committee
on the County Coroiers' Bill being read,
Col. WOOD thought the Bill went to establish al-
together a new principle of election, and he should
therefore oppose the Bill, and take the sense of the
House upon it when it was to be discussed in Commit-
tee, unless it was previously altered. He understood
that the present motion was merely to commit the Bill
pro forma, and therefore he should not offer any oppo-
sition.

The House then went into Committee pro forma, and
the Report was ordered to be taken into consideration
on Wednesday, the sth May.
DRAINAGE OF LANDS BILL.
On the motion that the House resolve itself into
Committee on the Drainage of Lands Bill,
Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY said that unless he
saw some alteration made in the Bill he would move
the amendment, of which he had given notice, on the
first opportunity.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether there was any
clause in the Bill providing that regular accounts be
furnished of the income and expenditure under the Bill.
He thought that a clause ought to be introduced into
the Bill similar to the one in the Public Roads Bill, for
the purpose of letting it be known what amount of
money was received, and how that money was expended.
Mr. HANDLEY made some observations, which
were inaudible in the gallery.
The Bill then passed through Committee pro forma,
and the House resumed.

MORNING EDITION.

smarr of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.

FROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY.
(F rum the Advertiser.)
A great question comes before the House of Commons this
evening, for what we expect to be a final adjudication of its
principle—we mean the Copyright Designs Bill, respecting
which Air. Emerson Tennent has taken so much trouble and
Mr. Thomson given so much attention. If Mr. Emerson
Tennent bad stood alone in the matter—had he failed, to ac-
quire a due knowledge of the subject to which his 1.3:11 refers—
had he not been backed and accompanied in is reseal ches by
a gentleman of such knowledge and expeiiene6 as Mr. Thom-
son—the objection might have been plausibly enough urged
that he knew nothing about the matter, and that his Bill was
not founded upon a substantial basis. But this objection can-
not now avail ; for, on the one hand, he has made himself
master of all the necessary information, and, on the other,
every statement in his work is confirmed by Mr. Thomson,
who is practical'y acquainted widi the whole matter—who
is interested to a large extent in the amendment of
the present law, and who cannot therefore lie supposed
to advocate a measure whieh would be injurious to
himself or to the trade at large The two main pints in the
Bill this evening- are—first, the exten-ion of protection to ori-
ginal designs in ciapets, shawls, paperhanginAs, calicoes, and
a great variety of other pro :nets of 13ritidi industry; and, se-
condly, whether the registration of such deAgns euoht to be
open to the inspection of the public, or closed against it, as it
is in France and other countrii s. The first is not worth a
moment's consideration. What the manufacturers of the dif-
ferent articles may desire, ought to be conceded to them, upon
the fair principle that they mu -t knave their own busines better
than their opponents, and are not likely to advocate anything
tending- to their disadvantage. With regard tq the seelmf, there
are doubts to be entertained. Articles manticactured for the
foreign market ouelit unque.stionab'y not to be open to in-
spection, inasmuch as foreigners and domestic pirates might
thereby acquire a knowledge of designs prejudicial to the ori-
ginal inventor, and thereby, by slight and legaly intangible
variations, rob him of the fair remun.ration which he would
otherwise obtain; but. with regard to articles purely fur home
consumption, there dries not appear to us for the moment to be
any substantial objection why there should not, after the ex-
piration of the registration granted in each case, be an oren
inspection proper conditions. Sir 11. Peel has given
notice
o tinder
of
aninder e months' protection' for the calico printers in-
' stead of the three which they now enjoy,- and the six months
that are proposed for them. The question is not- a Govern-
ment question, and we doubt not that its merits will be amply,
impartially, and satisfactorily discussed.
(From the Times.)
If the New Poor-law, has reduced the poor rate 40 per cent.
in some unions of the south, it has raised them 70 per caut.
in the north. It has produced no uniformity ; For the Corn-
missienars have not yet issued one general rule applicable to all
unior.s. It has lowered instead of raising wages. It is as-
serted to hive improved the morals of the dissolute poor ; but
the calendars of crime furnish no traces of such an improve-
ment, and a paid rural police has been found necessary-since
it was enacted. It has exasperated the feelings of the lower
classes towards the rich and the noble ; it has been the iseent
of Chartism. But, says Mr. Hawes, it has been the cause
of the " attention now given to the education of the
people," and "to the dwellings and the sanatory
state of the poor !" These, it seems, are the ," practical to-
nefits," these the marvellous results, of the great experiment.
Is it possible that Sir Hobert Peel, calmly considering these
things—remembering also that the so-much-talked-of evils of
the old law (partial as they were) Were the gradual accumu-
lation of '250 years, while the growth of evil under the mea-
sure of 1834 has been as rapid as it is monstious, a six-years'
prodiay—is it possible that so wise a statesman can compro-
mise his own character, and endanger the great interests com-
mitted to his oversight, by lending his sanction to the continu-
ance of such a system? Golden opportunities are not so fre-
qiient as to be thrown away with impunity. It is now in his
power, by one and the same act, to re ieve the United King-
dom from the curse of a Whig Ministry, and to deserve and ob-
tain the blessings of his country.
( From the Morning Chronicle.)
Another public meeting (called at 'Manchester to petition
against the Corn-laws) has been obstructed by the Chartists.
In this case, according to he statement of Mr. Cabden, whose
letter appears in another column, besides the usual motives for
interruption, the working classes considered themselves ill-used
by the Mayor, who had retused to call a meeting on the sub-
ject of the Poor-laws. But be this as it may, the Iroceedings
at that meeting bear out the convi which we stated as our
own last week, that for the pre ent this great safeguard of
public freedom and means of public improvement must. he put
iu abevan:e. 'f he managers of 63 Metropolitan Anti-Corn-
law As,oriation declare themselves of the same mind, having
issued advertisements of a meeting admitting by tickets only,
on the express ground of the determination of the Chartists
"to obstruct the proceedings of all public meetings not, called
expressly for the promotion of their own political objects."
Whether purposely or not, thereon', the Chartists have de-
stroyed, or at least suspended. the popular right and privi!ege
of assembling to address the Legislature oa any topic of public)
interest.

(From the Morning Herald.)
We shall hardly be suspected of indifference, therefore, to
the paramount claims of the W,st Lelia inter eats to some more
prolonged term of protection than it has been as yet proposed
to give them (and they literally ask for nothing more)—when
we say that nu the principle of the rue: sure which her Ala-
jesty's Government are bringing fore ard, as this was announced
by Lord Lansdowne, we see much that promises well for the
b,neficial development of the natural and incalculable re-
sources of our Inman empire, We see in that single result the
only solution of the great political problem " by what force is
our dominion, in au empire of such immense geographical ex-
tent,—and in which our power is emphatically said to be based
only upon opinion, to be maintained ?" Here is the answer.
In India the land is the great staple of taxation. Owing to the
diicrimmating scale of duties which has hi,herto so properly
favoured our West India produce, sugar in the East Indies has
been a crop which offered little temptation to the native or to
the foreign capitalist to betake himself to. From the principal
sugar ma ket in all the world—that of England—the heavy
duty charged upon its importation effectu illy excluded, though
it did not absolutely prohibit it. The operation of the same
system of duties extending to the spirit d stilled from the cane
produce, East India rums were, of course, in a proportionate
degree, shut out ef the same market. But if we assimilate
ibex duties on East and West India rum and sugrr, all the
laA in the East Indies which is at present less pros.ably (1c:-
voted to the raising of cotton and indigo waiild be taken up for
the raising of sugar ; and this sugar, and toe spirit distilled
front it, would have the singular fortune i f presenting them-
selves to the British consumer or dealer reli, ved of the onerous
discriminating duties they have I ithrrto been charged with,
under circumstances which seem to promise for some years to
come a demand, at least, proportioned to the supply.
(Rom the Month(' Post.)
It seems to us that the author of No. 90 of the " Tracts for
the Times," has not only been misrepresented by who'e crowds
of newspapers, but by one in particular, has been assailed in
a way which shows that low cunning, and vulgar virulence
may be associated with that kind of ability for journaLsrn which
secures attention even among a better sort of people than
those who are content with radical slang and irreligious auda-
city. Of Mr. Newman, the author of the tract in question,
we personally know nothing ; but we know th , character he
boars among those in whose judgment we ought to place far
more confidence than in our own. We have never heard any
man of learning who knew Mr. Newman, speak of his
knowledge without admiration of its depth aed, extent.
We have Lever heard any man zealous for the promo-
tion of religious truth as it is delivered to us by the
Church, speak of Mr. Newman's ardent exertions without
earnest and grateful praise. Accustomed as we have been to
hear Mr Newman well spoken of by those who know him, we
have never heard mention of that " austerity of manners" which
a certain newspaper has adverted. to in an insulting strain,
That he may pay a severer attention than is usual to what he
beieses to be the usual discipline of the Church is very pro-
' battle, but that he is guilty of anything like l'hari-aical
assumption is, we have reason to believe, not only untrue, but,
exactly opposite to the character and demeanour of the ma,,,.
It is, however, generally admitted by Air Newman's friends,
that, like most men of ardent temperament, he is an incautious
writer, and continually leaves room for miseontructions, which
are the occasion of much painful remark.
(Front the Globe.)
The subject of Secondary Punishments underwer t
considerable discussion last night in the House of Com-
mons. The question was brought forward by Lord
Mahon, in a speech of more that two hours' dun:trot;
with which his Lordship prefaced a resolution, ulti-
mately adopted by the House, expressive of an opi-
no'permanently large
increaseon b inoa therti
the i.
hulks
u mbe r (i f
in
Great
ro ivicts
i
Britain, although such convicts had been sentenced
to transportation, is highly inexpedient. The „e,...
'' that the
confined
sity of making some important change in the ti eat-
merit of convicts sentenced to transportation, in or-
de; to render that punishment more severe in its cha-
racter, and consequently better caleu'ated to deter
from the commission of crime, induced Lord J. Ras-
sal', when Secretary of State for thin Home Dopar'.,mect,
•
to issue regulations for carrying that important r.,nject into
died. With a view to more nearly proportion the
putlishu eat to the crime, his Lordship oontemplited the
s.paration of those convicts who wore sentenced by the
Courts to seven y ears' transportation from those sentenced
to transportation for lonerperiods, or for life. By a
minute, dated Jan. '2, 1839, his Lordship proposed
that COLN:eta sentenced to seven years' transportation,
should be, as tar as practicable, employed la the hulks
props.
and dockyards at home, and at 13.frmeda . 'lids
st•on wets new plan ; and th©
received as the bases of a
Home-office directed that in the ensuing year accom-
modation should be provided o board the hulks for
rns
that had been pre.
double the number of prisoners
v.ously receive.
,1 on board such vessels thus in-
creasing the number from
1,789 to 3,500. By a
calculation appended to the minute of Lord J. Russel',
number of convicts acteal'y trans-
it appears that the
tio;
and that of these
Uptv,aus
ported in 1837 was 3,6 ,
sentenced to transportation for seven
of tae-thirds were
t bTs calculation as correct, it is obvious
years. Taking
1-, keby
d Parliamentary
interference or
that, unless c-co
Executive, the
modified by the , number must continue
alarming ratio, until the
to increase in annumber con-
, ~., these receptacles of crime ti •
gregateu in
tening to the health an misery
would be titre if and lives of the M-
Litt, diflli.
.e 5 ;
_hi] j from ' salty, if
coat ... not impossilat ii y,
.prodding suit able employmentand '
of pro introducing
b m effectve el :1-' •
among t.. - ass,aeation and dis-
• nee the hulks would be
cip P
c schools of vice to rho
comparative novices in crime from
come forth, it the expiration of
their
sentences, to prac-
tise with greater adroitness and succe:s the lessons which
they had received from older
and store proficient prac-
titioners of felonry. Thus, instead of diminishing crime
—the great d
en which ought to be proposed by the
infliction of •
punishment—the contrary would be found
to result from be but a
such a system, and the hulks
Preparation for the higher class of offences to which the
law alt wiles the severer doom.

.a°ffi ece by the Under Secretary, re-
;
(From the Standard.)
Mini: tors last night sustained another defeat. The
question, it is true, upon which they were worsted was
not, a vital one, according to the lately adopted sei.le of
and by the ex-Secretary of
questions, though an important one, nor oils the house
full. Still a defeat, after a speech by the Colonial &CM.-
in the Cabinet—a Minis-
pterial defeat, t‘avrreaysr,e,nt ht
ei enx
gpl\
el t
ci
hnt
eai syntHeet,rosioamatyl
,e, in defiance
seat
1e
exertions, does
not sly much. for the stability 01 the Government.
Whether
Miwsters failed from want of prudence in
taking a weak part, or from want of a sufficient inde-
pendent support, their feebleness is in either case de-
monstr..t_ d. The motion discussed referred to the pre-
ference to be given to transportation, as a secondary
punishment, beforo imprisonment in the hulks

MO fiNiNt-; 141_D1TION

r fitentiaries. Loi d M 111 on maintained the
itflirnstive of such a yeference, in a rc.sohition
directly censuring tl-:e present practice of the
R)me-effice. The subject is not one promising
inuch of interest or entertainment, but nothing is
hoiseless in the hands of a man of skill and genius, and
L ,rd nihon enforced and illustrated his motion in a
singularly eloquent and interesting speech. As his
Lordship, by the confession of all, exhausted the
subject, it can scarce!), be necessary to refer to
the other speeches of the night. Lord Mithon's
arguments were not answered by any one'; his
p3sitiolis sere admitted to be indisputable; but
tnrd Jahn Russell said that the subject is a difficult
subject to deal with, and therefore he moved the
previous question. The House, however, would not
allow the wetter to be disposed of in this way—the
previous question was rejected, and Lord Mtihon's
resolution, condemnatory of tie practice of the pre-
sent Government, was adopted. The penalty of im-
prisonment jp the hulks and in penitentiaries is
distinguished from transportation in these two im- '
portant particulars. When you transport a con-
vict you permanent:y rid society of a nuisance, and
at toe sane time 3cu dive the criminal an oppor
tunity cf I vine without a nee, ssity of repeating his
When you substitute imprisonme:•t, the
from the nuisance to society is but tem-
porary ; t r at the termination of his imprisonme: t the
criminal :s thrown- back open the community under eir-
cums:ances that et tnaily forbid his reformat on, and
compel hint t = persi, tin his criminal course. Putting
the vale of convict labour to the colonies, thLrefoie,
Get of ere:tie:l, 'he salty of our country and coinpas-
sioo to toe gu-,ty elle command a return to the cid
practice of more extensive transportation.
(From the Courier.)
It is grot fying to observe tliut there are questions of
public, even it of somesh it exclusive icteres:, on which
the press of al parii s can cordially unite in one com-
mon ispres,ien opium and one common advlcacy of
ju-t'ce. 'rids truth may be found gratefully exempliEd
in the Morning Papers on the subject of Mr. Emerion
Tennent's Bid fur the extension of Copyright in De
si.gos tor printed fabric, the fur:Ler consideration of the
Report on which comes on this evening in the House
of Commons. The press, so la• as we have observed, is
unanimous in supp irt of the measure—the siegle excep-
tion being the Morni.ig Chronicle, which remains silent
so far. We need not rewind our readers of the ob-
ject of this proposeil Bli in any detal, since we have
heretofore treated of it at some length, as well
as the report of the Parlamentary Committee -on
which feurnied. Hitherto the whole legal protection
accorded to the inventor of the most tasteful designs
for printed cotton tabr:cs is an exclusive pater t right for
tb-es months o: ly, a limitation manifestly absurd and
inod,qua:e in the s -rise of protection, and tending ra-
ther to encourage the fraudulent appropria-ion sod
imitation of unprinc.pfed traders than to check it.
Aud this viltl re twiny Le understood, when it
is knonn fiat after the ingenious artist has cowl leted
his •!esigt-, it takes the master calico plater by whom
purchase:l, from six v:eeks to tiro months t) produce
it in the: thislied st de on cotton fahriev, from the com-
plication of labour consequent upon all the preliminary
proLess.:6 of engraving ti,e p:Atern on rollers, tic emu-
.tioation and advtation of colours a id the preparation
of nestle materiel for receivin; the Lelutifel
prer,s;-ins. Assumiog, therefore, that the dehvcry of
the printed sloths from the works in the country t t the
wa ete-nse and show rooms in tAvn, for exhibition and
sale is di cted wltilin two months, the proprietor, who
has been expending Lis hundreds and thousands in
she protittetioo of a large variety of tle,igns, subject each,
only to the chance, but the certainty of waste and
d,,,,at:,s of • tini passing through so many proceses
-
,f litaL:riLl so tiaFniged as to be worthless in voile—
ends hitnel; -vial, at the best and under the most fa-
vourable circumstance-, an exclusive copyright of pro-
perty fur one month only.

MONEY M tRICET and CITY NEWS.

PROM THE SIORNI-0 PAPERS CF YESTERDAY.
TIMES —The ixemium on gold at Paris is 5i per mi3e,
%%Lid. at the English .i.i int price of 3/. 17s. 100. per ounce
for ;'an, lard gold, gives an exchange of 25.28, and the ex-
elta-ge at. P. ris on London at short being 23. 37k, it follows
that gold is d 36 per cent. dearer in London than in Paris.
By advises ,f om Hamburgh the price of gold is 425 per
mask, which, at the EngliSh Mint pr ce of ail. 17s. 104 d. ter
ounce fur siaridard old, gives an exchange of 13. 4i, and the
.exchange at Hantburgh on London at short being 13. si, it
Yollows that gold is 0.i9 per cent. dearer in London than in
The Money Market has been rasher heavier to-day, and this
is attribu:A to the conversation between the Chaneelor of
the Exchequer and llr. Hume on the Savings Bank fund
in the House la.,t night. It is well known that the for.
but sale; cf stock by the G,ivernment broker have
been on account of the savings Banks, the Government -
having given these. institivins Exchequer -Ws in lieu cf
stock, which is a snore marketable security. The large quan-
tity of Exchequer bills which have thus accumulated in the
saving-bank the CL-vernment, it is believed, now intend to
fund, if indeed they have Lot funded part cf it already, and the
rt.:de:tient resp.,vitin,,, the funding by the Chancell r of the Es-
clfquer is interpretea on the stock exchange as referring to
an operation f this kind. 'lite braers would of mune prefer
the Goverement to come penly into the market for a l .an,
svhen a deficiency is felt, and this secret augmentation of t e
fended debt is i egarded with much jealousy and
since by an uncerizinty as to the quantity of existing suck
flair operations' are nvces erily embarrass.- d, not to men'ion
that their profits are mate' ially interfeted with. It has of en
-.been said, ant now seems likely to be verified, that the power
en to any finance Minister by the Saving Bank Acts is of by
far art it esponsible a character, and that it may lead hereafter
to enormous abusra,almost beyond the power of Parliament it-
to control,

CHRONICLE —Money has been in some demand to-day
on the Stock Exchange, as much as five and even six per cent.
having been given upon stock, ant the funds have, in con,e-
(pence, given way nearly per cent. since yesterday. The
discus ion in the blouse of Commons last night between Mr.
_Hume and the Chan.-ellor of the Exchequer, regardlng the
ranney belonging to the National Savings Bank, has bt-cn the
Isakiect of consi.t.mable attention. We understand the answer
given by Mr. Faring in substance to have been, that be had
avai ed himself of the Savings Bank moneys to supply some
deMICil3 in the public trea-ury, but to no very greA extent,
and that he intenucd to repay whatever amount he might ulti-
mate yrequ:re by a funding or creation of stock. In the ease to
which he referred as the most recettt precedent, I.ord .11ont-
reagic reilaced what he hat borrowed by a funding of Exche-
quer Bills. but, in as far as we can cote& what Mr. Baring
said, he seemed inclined rather to repl.ce the stock directly, by
a similar creation to the required amount. The course indi-
cated by the Chancellor of the Exchequer is, therefore, more
in favour of the I-tome Securilies than if he had came to, ward
with a loan Lr funding oF Ext-hequer lilts, and the money of
the s wings bank b..in;.; ab,olutely lent at a fixed rate of inter. st
to the Government, under an Art if Parliament, is fairly at
.his disposal for Government use. As, however, we may thus
look forward, f em time to time, to the influence of repeated
sodes of Money St,.ck for Government account, an occasional
tlatacts in the market may be expected, and a want of corfi-
eteoce in the operators for a farther advtnce until our affairs
with the United States are in a better train of adjustment.

POST.—The admission made last night by the Chancellor
of the Exchequer of GOVerLlll,•nt having been using the funds
of the Savings' Banks to replace the deficiency in the income of
the country, although there Wilt, no doubt upon the subject in
the minds of our well-informed men of business, produced a de-
(line of ,i- per cent. its the permanent securities, and about 9.5.
in Exchequer it Es. The perchases of the funds were made
with sufficient opennes,,, and it is thought sts ange that the sa.oe
eta al-ghtforward, ingenious conduct should not hare been ob-
served by tin, Government broker, with respect to the ,a'es. The
adopt.onof tlie mysterious course he has dote seems to admit of but
teo r.stional inturpretat;ons, the one be ng that Goveru-
ma ,nt see asha-re-t of their proceedings ; the oiler, that flt-
ys
t,ar_3,77"stn has, ,-s is but to i communlv the case in our financial
ugeavent_,s hat an undue irfluen •• in the matter. For our
mart we think it •. .
thancell-r, to be making
al'idudli,ei.lis, to•";ay the least of it, in the.
Berle;
by he hoyal.3-3.king good his Post-oilice and other sli•fl-
. esp,e_reticourse to the deposits of the indus•
i:iatus cl
tempora4 as
ithe exited cot wid answer none
buts merely
cause
t, pr,a,otste.thatAtthethe slainibet til:li.vi„.serc.),
ifloar:).
,e-lo not .see r,.,:y
.it the great
_money. houses in the 6 t.): shays
.44):,n„,t . v•?th_ Many -of our capitali,ts had been
A:eeping sl...eir 100 e funds by
ailothetrh,Crnandintheayntiacriep,ataiocncor:if
sa, loan in me. slia;:e or
perceive that, as Mr. Bain-
iit,gly, not a little chagrined to
pat out the
ncl.; it so easy to p moneys cf the Savings' Banks ci,
(glacial resource for -
-lead, and almost entirely without observation, it will be un
.isaft, f(rf ' hem; in future, to look to any
prolitai-.leurestrnent of their surplus--s arising from the . the
tvidetlii, and otherw:sr!. The appropriation otP2t.i.e
inert of te. 'ming, p'-anks to the purposes of the Exchequer,
funds of the :-
~
i able Oak ercv
that it has been done, would e
upo.i the cens.ssa ,
,un en the part of the Chancellor, of sup
Ito indicate an inter'.
4 duties r
she may eventually be in the revenue,
ob after
;plying whatever deficit , ;oral.
n'hat has already transpired, it not likely th teas lonut, g time
by the imposition of atidit.
interest to
ii; elapse before tome further particulars of deep
vi
Abe I,u,tslie will be elicited.

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ROLLS' COURT, itiAßcif 24.
Motions were continued.
FOWLER 0. WOOD.
GRIFFIN V WOOD.

These cases were injntiOned in order that an injunction
might issue against r. Osborne, one of the defendants, similar
to that which had been ordered against Sir :Matthew Wood,
restraining proceedings in actions of replevin upon the plain-
tiffs, who are tenants, paying their money into Court.

vALETTE V. THE LONDON DOCK COMPANY.
This was a motion to dissolve an injunction which had
been obtained against the defendants in the last long
vacation, retraining them from parting with certain wines.
The case was mentioned this morning in order that the mo-
tion might he postponed until certain affidavits could be pro-
cured from Paris. The motion was fixed for next Tuesday.
The Master of the Rolls rose at one o'clock for the purpose
of attending the Levee.

COURT OF BANKRUPTCY, MARCH 23.
IN THE MATTER OF TIMOTHY AtRAHAM C' liTI3.
This being the day- fixed for the final examination of the
bankrupt, a number of creditors were present, and proof of
debts was admitted for upwards of 40,0001., permission having
been obtained from the Court of Review to admit proofs upon
the joint estates of Garry and Curtis, of Tekenhouse-yard ;
Garry, Curtis, and Hay, merchants of Riga; and the separate
estate of the bankrupt. From the separate bal :nce-sheet of
Mr. Curtis it appears that his debts are about 49,0001., and his
liabilities 39,0001., and his estimated assets 10,0001.
Mr. J. Russell appeared in support of the claims of two dif-
ferent classes of persons, for Sir W. Curtis and Mr. Shiffeer,
as trustees under the marriage settlement of the bankrupt, and
also for Robarts, Curtis, and Co., the bankers. The latter
firm had a private as well as a partnership account with the
bankrupt, and their claim was 10,4121. 9s. 3d., against his
separate estate, having previously made a lowance fir the pro-
ceeds of Bank Stock cf his, which they held, and which was
sold at the market price of the day, together with four policies
of insurance, which were valued at 1,6001. by certain
auctioneers, but which the offices valued at 2,1001., and
which were allowed for by Robarts and Co. to that
amount. Besides the claim against the bankrupt's sepa-
rate estate, the hank,rs had a claim against Garry
and Curtis for 6,250/. 12s. 10d., they holding Portuguese
boiids for such an amount as reduced their debt to the
amount he had just stated. They also held bills to the
amount of 10,7701. Upon these flets there was no dispute,
and the 'sales of stock, &c., which had taken place were with
the entire consent of the assignees. With respect to the °tier
claim, it was one made by tru ties upon two different bonds ,
relating to the marriage settlement of the bankrupt, s s far back
as the year 1809. In that year Mr. Curtis married a lady of
the name of Green, who was possessed of 3,6001. in the '1 hree
per Cent. Consols, a further sum of 6,0001., and an expected
legacy of 2,0001. Nothing, however, would now turn on the
latter sum, as the bankrupt had never received it. A pwer
was given to the trustees to hand these sums over to the bank-
rupt upon his giving a bond for their repayment, and in the
October following the marriage the money was handed over,
and a bond for its repayment, with interest, was duly executed,
but no interest was ever paid.
Mr. Ilagshawe opposed the proof, but after much discussion
it was admitted.

Mr. Russ Em. said the next claim was also by trustees upon
a bond for 5,000/., which was given in settlement up; n the
bankrupt's wife, but with a power also given to the trustees
to hand it over again to the bankrupt, upon his giving a fresh
bond t., repay it with interest. The money always remained
due upon the original bond, but, because it was 20 years old,
he understood it was to be contended that it should not, there-
fore, be now proved, as amongst parties who were strangers to
each other that doctrine had certainly been held, but not in
cases like the present, where the party making the bond was to
have the interest accruing upon it.
A claimant appeared to prove for 100 guineas as a deposit
left with the bankrupts, but it was adjourned for further
inquiry.
Amongst the debts proved in the course of the day was one
by the Bank of England for 17,3614 8:;. 6d. ; by Morris; and
Co. (two debts), 8,9001. ; and by Robarts and Curtis for snms
of 9.8361. 19s. and 6,250/. 11s., and many others for very con-
siderable amounts.

The bankrupt, having sworn to his schedule, was then de-
clared to have passed his final examination.
he balance sheet of the separate est3te of Timothy Abra-
ham Curtis, from Jan. 1, 1889, to Feb. 1, 1841, v, as then
handed in by Mr. Wryghte, as follows, from which it appeared
that the debts amounted to 106,6921. 15s. 2d. The following
is the state of the accounts on the creditor's side :
Debtors (bad) carried to losses £6,660 0 0

Property exclusive of debts 8,630 0 0
Property in hands of creditors
holding Securities
Losses

Expenses
Liabilities per contra
Amount to ba'ance 47 Iti 10

106,692 15 2

INSOLVENT DEBTORS' COURT, Mallen 24.
( Before Mr. Commissioner NscuoLLs )
IN RE JOHN DENTON.

The insolvent in this case was a lieensed victualler carrying
on business in Northampton-street, Clerkenw ell.
It appeared f. om the evidence the insolvent was about
disposing of his business, and in order to raise the
value of the house by exhibiting. a large quantity of
stock, he borrowed the sum of 2201. from a friend, with
which a quantity of gin and other liquors were purchased.
This person finding that other creditors were about
coming upon the insrlvent for the &mantis, caused an execu-
tion to be immediately issued against his property, which was
accordingly done wth as litt!e delay as possible, although
through a wish not to cause the immense sacrifice which wou!d
occur by a sheriff's sale, the attorney engaged to wait for three
weeks, in order that the goods might be disposed of by private
contract.
Air. COOKE, in supporting the insolvent's discharge, ob-
served, that in all eases like the present the brewers and dis-
tillers invariably got" the lion's share," and moved heal en and
earth to punish parties who interfere with their rights.
The Learned COMMISSIONER recapitulated the facts of the
case, and then ordered the insolvent is be discharged.