The Sun.
London, England, 1841-05-29 00:00:00

,VENINci 1.1 DIT lON

insp-va ,:tdr-stions, which seemed conclusive against hi
a:gument, and thess stfuestio:ns'Were, that if thi:
were true if a Government were capable o'
administering the affairs of the country with-
out demanding the legislative confidence o;
the Parliament, whether they would not ar-
rive at these two conclusions first, that it war
next to impossible to turn out any Government
at all, and that it was next to impossible to pro-
ceed with the Governm-trt of the country ?
If he was not wrong, the principal of those precedents which
refer- to the present case were those of Mr. Pitt, during
his warfare Administration, and that of his Right
Hon. Friend the Member for Tamworth, during the six
woeks in which he was defeated in that House. But there
was this difference between those and the present case;
those questions were solely questions of party, and were
carried by pr.rty spirit ; the questions then were, not
'whether suet.' and such questions should be carried, but

-whether the Government should be confided to certain men

He was so'..ry that he did not see the Noble Lord the 1
ITt3mber for Lincolnshire in his place, for he wish
tell him how inconsistent it was in him to voiP,

"• no con Adence" in the Ministers on one night, and vote
...confidence in them a few nights after. That
- was sot the way in which the question would
.be looked at by the constituencies of England.
They were now in a dead fix— (Loud laughter)—
they were in a dead lock, and was that a fit
state of things for a great country like this ?
It appeared to him that something should be done
at the present important juncture. It was said
that in their Administrative functions there was
.no

di 'Ludt to be foun.l with the present Government, and that
was only t& their legislative measures that objec-
t .on could be taken. He would remind the House.
owever, of the conduct of the Government with re-

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g ird to the measure of the Noble Lord the Member
f
F North Lancashire, for the amendment of the system
of registration in Ireland. They did not come forward
to. Co-opera:4e in the good work—they did not take objec-
tio a to ig,s details, but they threw the whole weight of
thi it jr.thtence into the scale to throw out the Bill, al-

tb
,t'fr,A they must have been aware that there was no pos-
ity of their new measure being carried. They
ere at present in a terrible crisis ; but that crisis had

been thl work of Ministers themselves.

It was

at the very time when they might expect a
sufficient supply of sugar from our own colonies
that the Government came down and put the whole
question of negro emancipation in peril. It was in like
manner, atter sthe country was subsiding into
. habits of peaceful industry, that the nation was
to be agitated by a discussion of the Corn-laws.
At a public meeting the other day he had heard it
stated by a gentleman who had attended that meetin,
that he rejoiced at the difficulties in which her Majesty's
Ministers were placed, because the deficiency m the
revenue, and the difficulties with which they were sur-
rounded, were the means of causing them to bring for-
ward the great question of the Corn-laws. He did not
doubt that if her Majesty's Ministers had gone on as
they had dime there would still be found men who would
he glad of the difficulties in which the Ministry was
placed. He thought that by a more cautious line of
policy she deficiency in the revenue which had taken
place -.night have been avoided. The Ministry being
ti'is difficulty- they had thrown down tho question
-of '-he Corn-laws, and if ever there was a question
tisat demanded the calm consideration of the House and
the country, it was that question, and upon the agitatioa
of it, the Ministry depended to retain their seats. Ha
would venture to say that the Noble Lord on this ques-
tion was meeting the country under false pretences.
The Ministry was raising the cry of the alteration of
the Corn-laws, which alteration they never intended to
carry into effect It was said that the side of the House
on which he Viet were afraid of the dissolution.
They were afraid of it for the sake of the people,
not for the sake of themselves. He would not say
that this question would not be carried, but if
it were carried, it would be by 'agitation and agitation
alone. If lie could he persuaded that an alteration ot
•the Cora-laws would set matters right, and would re,
solve the great question of the famine or the sustenance
of the people, - he, as a landlord, would be too
glad to sacrifice some of the income he deceived,
-in or .ler to effect so great a good. If his Right Hon.
friend, the Member for Tamworth, when he crossed over
to the benches on the other side of the House, which he
soon would do—(Laughter)--could not carry forwdrd
:a. e tsurz!s which he conceived to be for the good of the
people, he would not remain there, but would send the
present Ministers back again.—(Hear, hear.) The great
.constitutional question must be • decided, whether the
11hiistry were to be defeated, or whether they were to
.remain in power, the contempt and ridicule of the world.
He would not say what a Conservative Government
would do, but he would state what it would not do ; it
would net lay the train of agitation.—(Great cheering.)
In conclusion, he begged to say that he cordially sup-
ported the motion of his Right Hon. Friend the Member
for Tarnworth.
Mr. SAN'FORD opposed the motion. The Right
Hon. nftronei; the Member for Tamworth -had screwed
his eourtgs to the sticking point, and brought them at
last to a real stand-up fight. The present question was
not whether there was a want of confidence in her Ma-
jesty's Ministers, but whether that confidence should be
transferred to the Right Hon. Baronet. For his own
part, he must say, looking at the course of policy the
Might Hon. Gentleman had pursued, that he could lace
a'lo confideneein him. Should they do so because ot his
conduct in 1829, when he so suddenly changed his prin-
espies upua the Catholic ,question. ? The Right Hon. I
7.lrironet, asking, e.:.; he did, for so high an honour as the
Pretnlcrship, ought to speak out plainly, and tell the
country what were his principles, and how he would
govern tile country. When the measures of the
Government were looked at without any
tinge of party spirit, it would be found that
more real legislation had been done during the last ten
.years than in any previous period of the same length.
lie would not vote for the motion, because he would think
it not a veto of no confidence in the Government, but a
vote of confidence in the Right Hon. Baronet.
I. DARBY Would not follow the Hon. Member
-who had just spoken, but would confine himself to prov-
ince the fallacy of some of the arguments of the Right
Gentleman the Secretary at War. He stated that
• the resolution of the Right lion. Baronet was*dan-
gerot:3 because the Opposition could not form a
strong Government. But why not ? Look at the way
in which the people had withdrawn their confidence from
the Government. In 1333 the majority was 400 ; next
year it was 300 ;—in 1836 it had fallen to 50 ; in 1837
au:l 1833 it was 30 ; in 1839 it had fallen to 10 ; while in
1340, out of eleven divisions, which they called great
party divisions, they were beat in eight of- them.—(Loud
cheers.) Ail this proved to him that the Right Hon.l3a-
- ronet the Member tor Tamworth was justified in bringing
forward the motion, and that he had a good prospect of
forming a strong Government. His opinion was that if
the Gove.rament went to the country upon their Budget,
with all their agitation, they would find not Peel martyrs
_but :Russell martyrs.--(Cheers.) The policy of the Go-
vern ent war, the author of all the Chartism which they
had ; they had sown the wind, did they expect they
we-,:e not to reap the whirlwind ? They for party pur-
poses had excited the people, they had promoted those
who misled them, and having been obliged to punish
thorn for their disturbances, the people calling them-
selves Chartists were disgusted with
.their peddling
policy, and gave their unsolicited support to the Con-
servatives. Were they to blame for that ? No,
the' Government had themselves to blame ; they
ha sire- first excited the people. They had pre-
pv,;,ed fearful weapons of agitation, and they must not
• hi surprised if other parties took to the same means ; but
the clone would be responsible to their Sovereign and
the , country if tumults arose, if such should be the re-
-1..t of their misleading the people. Suppose the Noble
ii..a'd were to succeed, was he prepared to quell the tu-
Isiah-, and make it recede to any point he pleased ? But
if he failed, as fail he must, the Right Hon. Secretary
ats ',Val- acknowledged they had been humiliated during
t last two wars ; but, if they now failed, that hums-
-1 sit'on woula be immensely increased, for they would
I Lave to resign their offices in the face of an insulted peo-
-ple whom tlieyhad grossly misled. If the Noble Lord
die ;Dived,. as he supposed he intended, he (Mr. Darby)
weiild look with fearful apprehension at the difficulties
in which the country would be placed. For his own
. part "he had always denounced agitation, and he
would _continue to -do so, for he thought it
sves -unstatestnan-like to resort to such a trick. The Go-
vernment could not go on—the business of the House
and of the . country was stopped. They were without
finances. In 1784 Mr. Erskine deprecated a dissolution
under such circumstances, but the same party to which
he belonged were now about to take that step, when the
- country was in much more difficulty than it was then.
In his opinion they were wholly unfit to carry on the
Government of the country ; he would therefore give his
unhesitating t to the motion of the Right Hon.
suppor_

Baronet.
Mr. HUTTON said
it
sat down, had greatly m shteak Hon.e hie ireesmubletrowf lathoehpaic-lejseunstt
pronouncebrough brought
i for-
wardts
agitation. It would be for the
opinion upon the*counhtrYd been
t, for the relief of the distress at
'measures which a
by the Government,
great an extent. He did not
prezent prevailing to so
think that distress had
een overstated, but he rose
Government
principally for the purpose of expressing his gratitude
for the benefits conferred 'by the present
upon the people of Ireland,
which
i had produced an un-
heard of tranquillity and repose n that country. The
Right. Hon. Baronet had studiously refrained from
alludiaq to the state of I lan re ,
d and he feared that he
would inul that country one of the greatest obstacles
in the-way of his carrying on the business of the coun-
try. It had been stated by the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer, that a great deficiency had been caused in the, re-
venue by the recent efforts' that had been made in Ireland.
toshake off a most oppressive vice. He was gratified
that so flattering a picture had been drawn of that coun-
try, but he would remind the House that the deficiency
I.vrtich had been caused by the reduction in the quantity
of spirits consumed in Ireland could be amply supplied
by the increased consumption of sugar, tea, and coffee, if
114 n. Members on the other side of the house would
only allow them to have those commodities at a mode-
rate price. The Bill which had been introduced by the
..Noble Lord the Member for North Lancashire, for the
amendment of the Registration of Voters in Ireland,
and the. provisions of that Bill, would give the people of
that country a foretaste of what they had to expect from
the Noble Lord. when he became a member of the Go-
vernment. . From all he had seen of the policy of the
Noble Lord, and of the Right Hon. Baronet opposite, he
was satisfied that they would never give satisfaction to
the people of Ireland; and on these grounds he should
ive his decided opposition to the motion of the Right
Eke:Baronet.—(Hear, hear.)
1.4, ;at NORREYS said the present Government had vio-
lated every principle on which it had set out. They
called themselves the friends of peace, retrenchment, and
reform. With regard to the question of peace, had they
not involved the country in war, during the last year, in
more than one quarter? And as regarded retrenchment,
had they not seen the
Eichuv or waling Right Hon. the Chancellor of the
down to the Lime, on more than one

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