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London, England, 1841-06-17 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMEW:.

HOUSE OF CO7ILTIONS, June 16.
The SPEAKER took the chair at the usual hour.
'rite Oldbury Charity Estate Bill and Emerson's
Estate Bill were each read a second time and ordered to
be conunitted.
The Lords' Amendments in the Burnley Small Debts
Bill were agreed to.
Sir GRAHAM moved the third reading of the St.
.Tohn's Ho.-Tital (Winchester) Estate Bill.
Mr. LEADER opposed the third reading, and said he
would divide the House on the motion.
After a short conversation, in which Colonel Rush-
brooke, Mr. Darby, and Mr. Hindley took part, the House
divided, when there appeared—
For the third reading 35
Against it l2
Majority — 23
'1 he Bill was then read a thirl time and pas3ed.
CORN-LAWS.

HINDLEY praesented a petition praying for a
epeal of the Corn-laws.
Sir M. WOOD presented a petition, signed, in the
course of four days, by 21,240 persons, at the Guildhall.
London, praying for the repeal of the Corn-laws, and
approving generally of the conduct of her Majesty's
3.tinisters.
Mr. VILLIERS presented thirteen petitions from dif-
ferent parishes in Westmorland ; from Burgh-by-Sands,
in Cumberland ; from the Royal Burgh of New Gallo-
way ; -from the Mills at Hepstonhall, Yorkshire ; from
the Western Quarry Men, the Western Vitriol Works,
and from Spring Bank Factories, in Cheshire ; from
the Woollen Manufacturers in Asthall, in Oxfordshire ;
from the inhabitants of Witney ; from the agricultural
Lbourer,. iu ::even parishes in Buckinghamshire ; from
51i,31,---ae,-kers, the Money Club, and the Benefit So-
eiet ‘1.:11 ; from the Albion Life Club in Wol-
' ,VerhaLipton ; from Newton in Staffordshire ; from
Householders in Lisson-grove ; Goodman's-fields ;
`lslington ; Bishopsgate-street ; St. Luke's (Finsbury) ;
"Titchfield-street ; and Carnaby-market.
Mr. PRINGLE presented several petitions from a
`manufacturing district, the name of which we could not
hoar, complaining of the distress that at present pre-
'vaiLad among the industrious classes, and praying the
House to adopt measures to afford them relief.
The Yarmouth Childrens' Hospital Estate Bill was read
'a second time, and ordered to be committed on Friday.
C010n..1 SALWEY presented a petition from E3.hana,
praying for the repeal of the Corn-laws.
- Mr. CRAWFORD presented a petition from certain
im-mbers of the East India and China Association, pray-
inq• that they might be heard by counsel, betbre the
Committee appointed to take into consideration the most
eligible port for the departure of steam-vessels.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented several petitions from
different parts of the metropolis in favour of a repeal of
the Corn-bens; also a petition from certain persons in
Cheltenham, calling themselves the Universal Society of
Rational Religionists, praying for an inquiry into their
'principles
Mr. WAKLEY presented a petition from the parish
of St. Sepulchre, praying the House to adopt the finan-
cial measures proposed by her Majesty's. Ministers;
also from the Medical Association, complaining of the
medical arrangements under the New Poor-law Act ;
also frota 'the triiiveesiktAsspciation of Paisley, complain-
ing 'Or -great disireSiiiiiiongSt the manufacturing popu-
lation of that town, the wages not being, on the average,
more than 6s. per week, and praying for a more efficient
representation ; also from 84 labourers residing in a
parish in the county of Hants generally against the
Poor-law Amendment Act, and praying the to
lessen its severities against the working people.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL presented a petition signed
by 9,280 persons in the town of Belfast, complaining of
the operation of the present Corn-laws, and praying that
immediate steps may be taken. to amend those laws.
Sir R.. H. INGLIS presented a petition from ',utter-
worth, praying that the House would take into its con-
sideration the alarming condition of the poorer classes
from the want of religious education.
Mr. W. ELLIS presented petitions from Merton,
Surrey ; Greenwich ; Red Cross-street, London ; St.
John's and St. James's, Clerkenwell (3) ; Bethnal-
green ; Paddington ; Chandos-street ; the Metropolis ;
Ogle-street, Westminster ; Boston-place, Southwark
(?) ; Covent-garden, London, and Southwark ; Anchor-
road ; St. Paul's Churchyard ; Bermondsey ; Long-
acre ; Shoreditch (2) ; New Compton-street ' • Maryle-
bone ; Thames-street ; Somers-town ; Hackney ;
and from Leamington, Warwickshire, the whole being
signed by 5,420 persons, praying for the repeal of the
Corn-laws.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved the third reading of
the Ecclesiastical Benefices Bill.

After a short conversation, in which Sir Edward
Sugden, Dr. Nicholl, and Lord John Russell took part,
the Bill was read a third time and passed.
ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE BILL.

Lord J. RUSSELL moved the Order of the Day for
going into Committee upon the Administration of Justice
Bill.
Sir E. SUGDEN very much objected to the Bill. A
Bill was passed last Session which gave powers to the
Lord Chancellor which ought not to be given to any
individual Judge ; still though he had the power
of Legislation, his orders were not to have
the force of law until they had lain on the table
of the House for thirty days. The Bill before
the. House took away •that safeguard ; the orders
made by the Lord Chancellor were to become law as
soon as that high officer pleased, and that House
was to have the power of objecting to them,
and then they would cease to have the force of law.
He objected much to the Bill, but inasmuch
as it had passed the other House, although,
and he spoke with authority, it had not
received due consideration, and as it was supported by
the Government he would not then divide the House
against it.
The •ATTORNEY-GENERAL said his Right
Honourable Friend (Sir E. Sugden) asked, why
had not the Bill of last Session been acted on ?
He (the Attorney-General) believed it was because
the Lord Chancellor was afraid to act upon it till this
amendment was introduced, for if this Bill was not intro-
duced, and the former Bill was acted on, he could not, in
ease of any complicated regulation that might be
introduced, however inconvenient it might be tbund,
prevent its remaining in force, until an order for
its alteration had been twenty-six sitting days on
the table of both Houses of Parliament.—(Hear.)
It was, therefore, thought much better that there
should be an opportunity of alteration and revision,
but always subject to the control of Parliament,
because the Right Hon. Gentleman was aware that if
Parliament during the twenty-six days should address
the Crown against them, the regulations would be of no
effect.

Mr. GOULBURN was at a loss to understand the
Honourable Gentleman opposite. According to the
present law the Lord Chancellor was at liberty to
. make certain orders relative to the rules of practice, but
before those orders were carried into effect, they were to be
laid for 36 days on the table of the House. According to
the proposed law, the Lord Chancellor would make them
and give effect to them iinmediately, Parliament having
the power of rescinding them within thirty-six days.
It struck him that nothing could be more inconvenient
than the proposed alteration It might be very right to
consider all the recommendations of the Court before
they were carried into effect ; but to rescind them after-
wards would be productive of the greatest inconvenience.
The Bill was then read a second time.
On the motion of Col. SALWEY, the Select Com-
mittee on national monuments obtained leave to report
to the House. The Gallant Colonel then brought up
the IZeport.
Mr. WARLEY seeing the Noble Lord the Mem-
ber for South Staffordshire in his place, wished to
put a question to him with reference to the notice
he had given for that day. In the month of August last
year, a notice had appeared in the Times newspaper,
statine• b that a discovery had been male by a Mr. War-
ner, of enormous power, and which, in the opinion
of certain gentlemen, was calculated to affect, in a
great
degree, all . future warfare on the face of the
civilized globe. If the report was correct, it
was of such a nature as to challenge all human
credence. It was stated in the report that his
late Majesty had witnessed that operation, and
severe others, among whom was the Noble Lord Opposite,
and what he (Mr. Wakley) wished to know from him
was, whether the account given in the Times newspaper,_
and which had been repeated by Mr. Walesby, the bar-
rister, was true, and therefore entitled_to public credence.
Lord INGESTRE in answer to the, question of the
Hon. Member for Finsbury would state shortl to the
House that the experiment alluded to by the Hon.
Member had succeeded. He regretted, however, very
much that the subject had been brought before the public,
either in the shape of a pamphlet or a newspaper report.
He (Lord Ingestre) had no hesitation in stating his own
opinion on the subject particularly as that opinion was
d'
concurred in by Admiral Sir R. king and Sir T. Hat y.
The opinions of those distinguished officers on the
sub-
ject were recorded on paper, and he (Lord Ingestre) felt
no hesitation after them in stating that the invention was one
of great importance to this country. 'General
Sir G. Murray, at his (Lord Ingestre's) solicitation,
went to witness the experiment alluded to, and was
struck, as every one must be, at the immense power in-
cluded in so small compass. That officer had since told him
that he had been with the First Lord of the Treasury on
the
ought to be inquired into. There was another circumstance
relating to this affair worthy of remark.
,Had the inventor
availed himself of the offers made to him from
foreign countries, he must at once have relieved
• himself from all his embarrassments ; but he
stated that he had rather sacrifice his best in-
terests than that such an invention should be lost to
his native country.—(Hear, hear.) It was, he (Lord
Ingestre) thought, a cruelty to the individual, and
it was his (Lord Ingestre's intention to :have submitted
a distinct motion to the House on the matter.
. Sir FRANCIS BURDETT although not a pro-
fessional man, still having been a w:tness to the
experiments, he would say that he had never
seen anything more astonishing, nor had he ever con-
.. ceived that anything so small and trifling, in comparison
to its effects, could ever have been invented.
• Mr. BROTHERTON was quite willing to give eneon-
• ragement to all persons who invented engines for increasing
the industry or augmenting the happiness of the people,
, but he must protest against any encouragement being
held out to the invention of engines which he
considered to be injurious to the peace and welfare
of
society. lt. might be said that the invention
• bat itaneVzizitioaetnaets
War
would put an end to war,
• and ought to be diticooragolasba remnant of barbarism,
a • possibl civilized State in all
eways. y
Sir, INGLIS skid he did not know whether the
house was aw
tothea question before it related to
the Lords' amarenedmthenaTHighway
The motion was then °sq.%
The House theu AdjourneetattoS.ix o'clock,

SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.

FROM TILE DAILY PAPERS OF YESTERDAY

CHRONICLE.—We point with pride and exultation to
the proceedings at the London Tavern, of which an ample
report will be found in our columns of this day. Who that
witnessed these proceedings can for,one moment hesitate to be-
lieve that monopoly has t eceived its death blow ? joyous
enthusiasm with which the entry of Lord John Russell into the
City was hailed by all ranks and classes of its inhabitants, the
ardour with which they thronged to the meeting to take part
in the business of the day, afforded a noble justification of the
confidence reposed in the peop:e by Minister e. The hearts of
the monopolists must have sunk within them at the unequivo-
cal magi estation of opinion which the proceedings of yesterday
exhibited. But will the triumph of yesterday be confined to
London? No. The blow struck at monopoly in the heart of
the empire will be felt in theremotest corners of it. It is im-
possible to over-estimate the importance of the proceedings of
yesterday.
The discussion expected in the House of Commons last night
from Mr. Scholefield's motion, that the " extreme stiff, ring of
the industrious classes from want of employment, low wages,
and high price of provision!, renders it the imps ra.ive duty of
Parliament to devise means for the alleviation of the great
misery which now pervades all the manufacturing districts of
the country ;" and the amendment of Mr. llindley,
And that it is the opinion of this House that the
present system of taxation and the Corn-laws, are
peculiarly unjust to the middle and lower classes of
the coxmunity," was cut short by the counting out of
the House at eight o'cli.ck. It 'may not be amiss that
the country should know something of the motives
which led to this step. Our readers must not sup-
pose, from there having been only twenty-four Mem-
bers present when the House was counted out, that there
was any [want of Members in town. The fact is, that the
Tories deliberstely left the House in a body after hearing the
speeches of Sir Francis Burdett and Mr. Labouchere, and
feeling the imbecility of the one and the force of the other. Both
Sir Robert Peel and Sir James Graham listened to the
speeches of Mr. Scliolefield and Mr. Medley, and also to the
speech of Sir Francis Burdett ; but when they found that he
invited discussion, having asked Members opposite to state
their views on the subject, and that he gave up the whole agri •
cultural case by denying that the landowners wanted protec-
tion, or that they had any, they immediately left the House ;
and Sir Robert Peel, at the head of a whole row of county
Members, gave the sign for counting out, which Sir
Strattord Canning obeyed. A more shameless admis-
sion that the Opposition dared not discuss the matter it is
impossible to conceive. It seemed as if they wished to give
additional confirmation to the truth of what was advanced by
Lord John Russell at the City yesterday forenoon, namely,
that the Opposition shrunk from all discussion on the subject.
No rational person can now doubt that the object of the want
of confidence motion was to prevent all discussion on the Corn-
laws. They ale afraid, in fact, to meet their opponents, con-
scious of the badness of their cause. A mire skulking course
thai that pursued by the Tories was never exhibited to an in•
dignant nation. What. a perry to have the assurance to lay
claim to the Government of this country, without having the
manliness to meet their political opponents on the very ques-
tion at issue between them! Matters are come to a strange -
pass, indeed, if conduct like this finds favour in the eyes of the
people of England.
POST.-51'e stated yesterday that the ?natter upon which
Lord John Russell appears to rely in his written Address to the
electors of London, is nothing worth. As this question in-
volves the higher question of the policy of the Government,
upon which an appeal is to be made to the country at large, the
discussion of it is worth more attention than if it related
merely to the beaten Minister's pretensions to the representa-
tion of London. The Ministerial Journals assert, with their
accustomed effrontery, that the effect of the Government po-
licy would be to replenish the Exchequer, while it would
greatly relieve the people, and promote profitable industry to an
astonishing degree. Lord John Russell, with rather more
modesty, contents himself with saying that her Majesty's Mi-
nisters wished to lighten that kind uf taxation which, while it
Oasts nothing to the Exchequer, presses heavily upon the
people. Now this is a very reasonable wish ; but
the thing which her Majesty's Ministers hare done
bears no obvious relation to any such wish, or plan, or policy.
In the first place it is to be proved that there is any such " kind
of taxation" as that to which the Noble Lord refers. We
know that plenty of violent, and by no means very profound,
persons, will be ready to exclaim, that all " protecting duties"
constitute that " kind of taxation." But exclamation and as-
sertion are very different things from argument. If Lord John
Russell can prove that protecting duties constitute a bus den
-upon the people like taxation, he will prove a very important
thing ; but he has no right to take it fur granted without prow •
ing it. 'fhis is the point of which we complain. if this
" kind of taxation," as he calls it, be no taxation at all, then
his address, however plausible in words, is mere nonsense, be-
cause it rests upon an ignorant delusion. Now there a-e men
in England quite as wino and as well-informed as Lord J.
Russell, and rather more unbiassed by strong self-interest upon
this question, who hold that the imposts to which the beaten
Minister alludes are not in themselves taxes, but, on the con-
trary, enable the country to bear taxes which otherwise it
could nut bear.

HERALD.—We must take leave to express in limine, our
strongest protest against the step which Lord John Russell has
adopted in offering himself to represent the City of London.
His Lordship is still a Minister of the Crown ; occupying,
probably, among all its Ministers, the second rank in the per-
sonal confidence of the Sovereign, and in virtue of his leading
their party in the House of Commons, filling, perhaps, the
firststation in that Administration in point of political import-
ance, and of public consideration. In this three-fold capacity
-of a principal Minister of the Crown,—of a confidential servant
and adviser of the Crownsand of the organ of communication,
as it were, between the Crown and the people in virtue of his
position in the House of Commons,—can Lord John Russell
hope to discharge the duties of a representative of the City of
London? Can he at once discharge hls Ministerial duties to
the Crown, and his representative duties to his consti-
tuency ? Can he, even with all the advantages of the " ab-
solute wisdom" attaching to the " council of three " with
which he hopes to be associated, by the coincident return of
Mr. Crawford, Sir M. Wood, and Mr. Pattison with him
can he equally acquit himself of his duties as a Se-
cretary for the Colonies and a Member fir the great empo-
rium of their produce—as a Minister sworn to uphold, main
Lain, and vindicate the privileges of the Monarch, and as the
delegate of a constituency at all times to the last degree jea-
lous of and opposed to every distinct assertion of them ? Is
there nothing indelicate in the leader of the Government in
the Commons, and in that position almost as much as a Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer controlling the issues of the public
purse, being Member for London, which is, of necessity, con-
stantly appealing to the Legislature for advances from
the national funds to enable her to carry out public
works and improvements of a character more or less doubt-
ful or disinterested, according to circumstances, —now
anticipating its coal duty for the completion of a magnificent
street, or mortgaging its " orphan dues" to aid the erection
of a stupendous bridge ; but not omitting, occasionally, to
make sales of corporation lands or rents under circumstances
not absolutely free from the suspicion of jobbing, and to par-
ties not always capable of showing what " reasonable'conSi-
deration" they have paid for their bargains? Is it very con-
stitutional for one of her Majesty's Secretaries of State, sup-
posing him to be elected for the City, to represent indirectly
but often—and especially by his votes on local and private
Bills—very palpably and partially, the district interests (—and
if not absolutely to " represent," we may say "to in-
fluence"—) of the ancient borough of Sauihwark, and the
modern, or Itussellise I, or metropolitan " Horoughnets" of
Finsbury and Lambeth ; of Marylebone and the 'lower
Hamlets ?

ADVERTISER.—London gave yesterday a most glorious
note of preparation at the truly great meeting held for the pur-
pose of securing the election of Lord John Russell, aid the
other Liberal candidates for its representation. The demon-
stration was in every respect worthy of the occasion. Never did
the wealth, rank, influence, and talent of the metropolis exhibit
themselves in more imposing and effective combination ; and
supported as this combination was by the numbers who
thronged every approach to the London Tavern, the place of
meeting, and, urged only by the enthusiasm whieh pervaded
al parties—from the wealthiest merchant on the platform
to the poorest operative, who watched the proceedings
will au anxiety commensurate with his stake in the
result, there can be no doubt that London will do its duty,
and secure the triumph of those principles of unrestricted com-
merce, without which the fall of Britain's prosperity and great-
ness will be as certain and as rapid as has been their rise. Fire
thousand signatures having been attached to the requisition
soliciting Lord John Russell to become a candidate for the
representation of the greatest commercial city in the world,
the meeting of yesterday was natural'y expected to exhibit
features of more than ordinary interes,. But the result alto-
gether surpassed anticipation, and may, so far, be regarded as
a death-blow to the hopes of the monopolists.
GLOBE.—Lord John Russell's reception yesterday
by the citizens of London was everything which the
most devoted friends to the cause with which his Lord-
ship is identified could desire. It was not merely ani-
mating—it was enthusiastic ; and has struck terror into
the City Tories, who were unprepared for a demonstra-
tion so unequivocally expressive of the deep
.interest
felt by the great body of the citizens in the success of
the measures which the Noble Lord, as the organ of her
Majesty's Government, submitted to the House of Com-
mons. The following description of the scene will con-
vey but an imperfect idea of the reality—to comprehend
fully its animating character it is necessary to have wit-
nessed the enthusiasm it faintly describes :
" The meeting was called for t.vo o'clock, and at one the
footpath at each side of the street leading to the tavern was
crowded to excess. On Lord J. Russell making his appear-
ance at a little before two, he was welcomed with a- warmth
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ing was; raised to the highest pitch,ibTle and he was cheered again
and again for several minutes.
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be greatly moved by his truly flattering,
we might say thousands, attempted in vain to' obtain an en-
trance within the far too narrow limits of the London Tavern,
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caimonmdpomdreet'clricnsecile'fe'ree from the bonds in which a narrow
sided view of what is required to stimulate the iannd(ustr ',
encourage the enterprize, and thus ensure the stability and
pros ofour staple manufactures, the very bases of our
national greatness, have confined it, was no more than why
to be expected from the intelligence, independence, and
patriotism of her citizens. They have realised the expecta-
tions of the country. This powerful demonstration
of their determined purpose to give effect to their
approval of the proposed measures,
.by securing the
election, as one of their representatives in Parliament,
of the Minister of the Crown by whom those measures
were introduced ; and by associating with him, as col-
leagues in the representation, the good men and true,
who are well known by their past faithful services to be
worthy of the confidence they seek, the citizens of
London have not only maintained their own character
for intelligence and consistency, but they have given an
impetus to the movement of the provinces in support of
the same goad cau3o which cannoasfail to be productive
of incalculable benefit. The healthful and exhilarating
pulsations which beat in the heart of the empire will
impart a corresponding energy throughout the smaller
constituencies.
! COURIER.—The grand apotheosis of the newly in-
augurated little Moloch deity of new Poor-law horrors,
and Anti-Corn-law starvation wages policy, announced
beforehand with such a flourish of Whig-Radical
trumpets, was consummated yesterday in due form
at the London Tavern, - when the lordly elf
fittingly commemorated the momentous occasion by
a cool enumeration of all his manifold claims to the
honour conferred. We have in our time been con-
demned to wade through too many exhibitions of the
1 wordy worthlessness and intellectual imbecility of Lord
John Russell, but we are bound conscientiously to de-
clare that nothing more miserable, even from him, ever
fell from the lips [of one filling, but not fulfilling, the

station of a statesman, and professing to comprehend,
but incompetent to perform, the duties of a wise le-
gislator.
STANDARD.—The misconduct of too many of the
French Journals in columniating, by the publication of
forged letters, incomparably the wisest and the best Mo-
narch that ever occupied the throne of France, has given
rise to some serious discussions in the political circles of
Paris, and in the Paris press. For our own part, we
can imagine no rigour of persecution, no severity of
punishment, that can go beyond what is due to the
villainy of which the slanderers of Louis Philippe have
been guilty. The question is not one affecting the
liberty of the press, otherwise than as the prosecution
and punishment of forgeries committed through the
press must defend that liberty in the most effectual
manner. The liberty of the press is no more
interested in protecting forgery, than the right
of property is interested in protecting forgery,
As regards the public, it never can 1w of public benefit
to promulgate falsehood, and to promulgate it in a man-
ner so daring as to ensure credit ; and in the case of the
criminal, all mitigating circumstances are wanting ; he
cannot commit forgery by inadvertence, he cannot be hur-
ried into the commission of forgery by the heat of argu-
ment, or by any provocation, how violent Soever. For-
gery is, in every case, a wilful and deliberate act—and
if a malignant one also, no punishment, we repeat
it, can be too severe for such a crime in any coun-
try. The circumstances of France too must render
tenderness towards offenders of this class not only
impolitic -but criminal. It is scarcely a reproach
to the country that. its long disorders and exten-
sive wars have generated in its bosom a class of per-
sons so discontented and desperate as to be capa-
ble of the most atrocious acts—witness seven or eight at-
tempts upon the life of the present King. But the forged
calumnies which are now the subject of consideration
in France are, in fact, so 'many exhortations to direct
the knife or the pistol against the Monarch's breast.

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