The Sun.
London, England, 1840-07-03 00:00:00

THE BATH THEATRE.

(From the Bath Herald.)
The theatre has closed after a season so unsuccess-
ful, we understand, that it has most grievously disap-
pointed the truly liberal lessee, and trenched very
largely upon his pecuniary resources. We have even
heard it hinted, though certainly not from authority,
that it will be a matter of deep consideration with Mr.
Davidge whether he will open it at all next season.
We will suppose, for a moment, that, partly from the
neglet-:t of the public, partly from the wholesale con-
demnation of popular amusements by the clergy, Bath
should next year have no public attraction, either in balls,
concerts, card-parties, or the drama, and let us see what
would be the probable consequences to individua's and the
city at large. Public parties and assemblies being
wholly set as►de, we ask what would become of the
trade of the city in every department, jewellery, milli-
nery, costly drapery, haberdashery, &c.? Is there any in-
dividual who would ever purchase or wear these articles,
as got up for full-dress, if they intended to sit the
whole evening by their own firesides? What desolat-
ing ruin would this entail upon all the expensive esta-
blishments in this city ? What an inundation of vice,
misery, and crime would it let loose among the discard-
ed hands, male and female, who would be necessarily
turned adrift, and driven either to beggary or to des-
perate courses ? Trace the consequences to a higher
source, and see what thousands of manufacturers and
artisans, in other districts, would be overwhelmed with
starvation and beggary, the results of decayed trade
and of the want of employment ! Consider
again the thousands of persons, who would leave
the city for some gay continental residence,
where the public amusements were encouraged
and patronised by those who, in the eyes of all
mankind, are esteemed both as the good and the great !
What would become of the Government taxes? Who
would there be left to pay the Poor':-rates and the
Church-rates? It is useless to carry our inquiries
further, for it is clear and inevitable that the whole
city would be involved in one common ruin.
Those who would put down popular recreations,
which are at all events innocent, and some of which
might, by proper management, be made powerful to
improve public taste, refine public manners, delight
the public fancy, and inspire noble sentiments, ap-
pear to us not to be very conversant with
human nature, which, in the large majority, must
have 'some safety-valve to let off the exuberant spirits,
or .to cheer and elevate the depressed. The learned,
the pious, and the profound Solden, was decidedly
hostile to that religious austerity and gloom
which wrought upon mankind by the principle of fear,
instead of love, and which prevailed even tl this day.
To preach," says he," long and loud damnation is the
way to be cried up. We loVe the man who damns
us, and we ►un after him again to save us." This holy
prelate was used to delight rather in expatiating upon
the celestial tenderness, and the absence of all dread
under the Almighty wings, than of the terrors anti pu-
nishments with which HE scares and threatens the
guilty and impenitent sinner.
But while we thus state our real but humble opinion

—that innocent and social pleasures are useful and pro-
fitable to society at large, in a country like ours, where
industry 13 carried, and is obliged to be carried, to
the uttermost possible verge, we are perfectly prepared
to concede to religion its amplest claims upon the heart
and feelings and duties of man. We are well aware that
with the highly cultivated, serious contemp;ation and
instructive reading arc often more delightful and refresh-
ing than even the gentle cheerfulness of recreation. We
arc well aware that man has high aims and immortal
destinies before him ; and that it is welt that he should
sometimes ponder upon them, " commune with his own

heart and be still." *All that we wish to obse7ve is that
human nature is so constituted, that the bow cannot
always be bent—that innocent and elegant amusements
should rather be promoted and patronised, than decried
and condemned, because, as some recreation must and
will be had by the majority, in the absence of such
amusements, they will pursue others that are vicious
and degrading.

MUTINY IN THE GLASGOW

HOUSE OF REFUGE.

(From the Glasgow Argus.)
It is not without considerable pain that we have to
advert to an unfortunate occurrence which took place
in the House of Refuge on Tuesday evening. It ap-
pears, that since the estab:ishment of the House of
Refuge, the inmates, at least the more impracticable
among them, have always, as the period of Glasgow Fair
approached, manifested a det.ree of uneasiness and dis-
content which was not observable at any other season,
unless; perhaps, in a lesser degree, at the New Year.
Their old feelings seem to have always come over them
with peculiar power as the time drew near which they.
were accustomed to pass at " the shows," and in the
midst of revelry and excitement ; and at present this
feeling has broken forth into actual insurrection. On
TUesday evening a great number of the inmates of
the house rushed into the lobby, with a loud yell, and
exprersed their determination to .get out of the asy-
lum. They were joined' by others, and ultimately, it is
believed about 150 were in the lobby at one time.
Many of them were armed with implements used in
their work, and in the course of the disturbance seve-
ral of, the doors were broken by their fury. It is to be
remarked that no,complaint, was made by them in re-
fereeceto the treatment which they are accustomed to
F'receive'; their sole demand was, that they should be set
iat ]lastly. ' Fortuntitely, the Governor, whose suspicion
'had-)be6n-previoiisly'airrakeiled, had secretly secured the
Dattenckinoe-of-akmieloFee-Otrrderi,"whia-instantly met the
insprgentivand checked,tteir,progreSsi but they were
itaatantly asiailed:_with great violence, and struck se-
verely with weapons,-and missiles of every description
that could he laid hold of. Large quoits, pieces of
wood, and the dishes from which their food is taken,
were hurled at the heads of the police, several of whom,
received severe injuries in the scuffle. A party of the
inmates, who had in vain attempted to get out of the
house by a back or side door, then returned to the
scene of disturbance, and were particularly fierce in the
attack ; but, by making good use of their sticks, the
police latterly succeeded in quelling the tumult, without
a single boy having effected his escape ; and, we be-
lieve, about seventy of the insurgents were rut in a place
of confinement, where they are all still lying. The next
day all the inmates, with the above exceptions, were at
their work as usual ; but, we believe, the Directors will
be greatly puzzled how to act with regard to the others.
The attempt to escape appears to have been coolly pre-
meditated—in all likelihood by some of the more ad-
vanced and refractory, in the first place ; and, when it is
considered that many of them are almost as strong and
robust as they will ever be. the wonder is that they did
not effect their purpose. This unseemly occurrence will
be matter of deep regret to every sincere friend of this
valuable institution, as it must necessarily throw a damp
over the hopes of its usefulness, which have hitherto been
i entertained.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, JUL!' 2.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
at Five o'Clock.
Lord PRIJD HOE presented petitions from Cambridge,
Newcastle, and Sunderland, in favour of the Chimney
Sweepers' Bill.
The Marquis of WESTMINSTER presented similar
petitions from the Lord Mayor, Sheriff 4, and Common
Councilmen of the City of London, and also from the City
of Westminster.
The Earl of HAREWOOD presented similar petitions
from Manchester and Liverpool.
-CANADA.

The Earl of H A RD WIC K E gave notice that on Tues-
day next, upon the motion for going into Committee on
the Canada Bill, he should move as an amendment ,hat
the Bill he committed that day six months.
'lhe Earl of H ADDING TO N presented a pctitirn
from the master chimney-sweepers of London and Weat-
minater against the Chimney Sweepers Bill, and praying
to be heard by Council at the bar.
The Duke of SUTHERLAND presented petitions
from Greenock, Glasgow, Cot kermouth, and Shilton, in
Staffordshire, in favour of the Chimney Sweepers' Bill.
Similar petitions were presented by the Earl of Gosford
from Hereford, by the Earl of Warwick from different
parts of Warwickshire, and by the Bishop of Exeter
from Exeter, Sidmouth, and Devonport.
On the motion of Viscount DUNCANNON the Timber
Ships Bill was read a second time and ordered to be com-
mitted after a few observations from Lord Colchester.
The Earls of ABERDEEN and HADDINGTON presented pe-
titions from Scotland in favour of the Scotch Benefices
Bill.
The Marquis of NO RNIANB Y presented petitions in
favour of the Chimney- Sweepers Bill from Worcester,
Chelmsford, Broomsgrove, Keasington, Saffron Walden,
Camberwell, Leamington, Manchester, Poole, Frome,
Durham, and other places. The Noble Marquis said
that, as he found it would he necessary, this being a Bill
affactirg trade, to refer it to a Select Committee, he
should now move that it be referred accordingly, and
defer the second reading to a future period.
Oa the motion of the Archbishop of C ANT EE BURY,
the Church Discipline Bill pessed through Committee,
and was ordered to be reported or: Monday.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition signed by
from 16,000 to 19,000 persons, and adopted at a public
meeting at Edinburgh, to which he was anxious to call
their Lordships' most serious attention. The petitioners,
after expressing their opinion of the baneful effects of State
patronage upon the Church, added, that this truth was
at this moment receiving a painful illusrration from
the present situation of the Church of Scotland,
which exhibited the inconsistency of a body salaried and
supported by the State, in active oppos.tion to the
law of the land, as promulgated by supreme authority ;
and the petitioners expressed their opinion that
no Church was entitled to independence so long
as it depended on State suppart ; and they prayed
their Lordships to refuse all application for grants
of public money for Church Extension purposes.,
and take all proper measures for the separation
of Church and State. The Noble and Learned Lord
said that as their Lordships were aware he differed from
the petitioners as to their fundamental opinion against
Church Establishments; but he thought no person could
toad the ttitornont of the petitioners ani be informed of

the number who attended the meeting, and the great
vat and unanimity of their proceedings, without being
sensible that their cries against Church Establishments,
and their desire for the separation of Church and State,
was promoted by the late proceedings of the Ecclesias-
tical authorities in that part of the country.—Hear.)
The Marquis of BRE ADALBANE said, with refe-
rence to the observations of the Noble and Learned
Lord, he could not agree that this cry against Eccle-
siastical Establishments originated :from the late proceed-
ings of the clergy in Scotland. He thought that it
took its rise many years ago, and was occasioned by the
abuses which existed in Church Establishments.
Lord BROUGHAM explained.
The Earl of ABERDEEN could not but express his
satisfaction at what had fallen from the Noble Marquis.
Ile believed he would find his presence there very neces-
sary to support the case he bad taken u?

" Cum tot sustineas et tanta negotia solus."
CHURCH OF SCOTLAND BILL.
The NOBLE EARL then moved that the House should re-
solve itself into a Committee on the Church of Scotland

The Marquis of BRE ADA LBA NE said be had given
notice of his intention to move that Counsel should be
heard at the Bar against the Bill, but in conse-
quence of the short time that had elapsed, it
had been found impossible to instruct counsel
properly. He trusted, therefore, that the Noble Earl
would postpone the Committee for a few days in order that
Counsel migt.t be instructed properly.
The Earl of ABERDEEN could not accede to the
suggestion of the Noble Marquis as to postponing the Com-
mittee. He had already stated that he should be most
happy to hear anything that could be said against the
measure, but he could not con'ent to postpone the Com-
mittee for that purpose.

Lord ME LIfOtiRNE said that be had already stated
to their Lordships why he thought that in the present state
of the question it was undesirable to legislate upon it. The
only effect of proceeding with the present Bill would be to
ne3urage and increase the adverse feelings of the opposing
parties in the Church of Scotland, and to prevent the care-
ful and impartial consideration of the subject at a future
time. The schism which existed now was not new. It
had taken place full a century ago.—( Hear, hear, hear.)
The real question was this, there were two parties
in the Church of Scotland—one which desired to re-
tain the present system of lay patronage, and another
which desired to abolish it. The Noble Earl appeared to
him to attempt to compose such great strifes in vain—pul-
reris exiquijactu.—( Hear, hear.)
The Earl of ABERDEEN said that the pretensions
put forward by the General Assembly were that that body
could exist in defiance of the law by which it was consitu-
ted. There was this difference between the present schism
and that which oczurred a century ago; for those who
were now opposed to the ecclesiastical authorities had the
law upon their side.—(Hear.) The general objection to
the present Bill was based upon a very different ground
from that which the Noble Marquis took for his oppositi3n
to it. The Noble Marquis was the only Member of that
House who supposed that the tendency of the Bill could be
ro interfere with the independence of the Church of Scot-
land,

Lord MELBOURNE bogged to be understood as
having given no opinion on the subject of the Bill. He
had only said that it would be impartial and inexpedient to
pass the Bill at present.
The DILI of HADDINGTON thought that bis Noble
Friend (Earl of Aberdeen), deserved great credit for
having taken up this subject, which it was the duty of the
Government to have taken into their own hands.
Tho Earl of ROSEBERY begged to correct his
Noble Friend (the Earl of Aberdeen) who had said that
the Noble Marquis near him was the only Member of that
House who considered the Bill as having a tendency to
encroach on the independence of the Church of Scotland,
for he participated in that view.
After a few words from the Earl of ABERDEEN, in
explanation, the House went into Committee upon the
Bill, the clauses of which were gone through without dis-
cussion, and the House resumed.
The Marquis of BREADAL BANE then gave notice
that upon the bringing up of the Report he would move
that Counsel be heard at the bar against the Bill.
The Earl of ABERDEEN said thete was no truth
whatever in the statement that the petitions he had pre-
sented in favour of his Bill had been got up in an irregular
manner, while he had the best authority for saying such had
been the case with one presented against it by the Noble
Marquis.

CASE OF THE REV. P. O'REILLY.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH had been about to
say, when the message was brought up from the Com-
mons, that although he entertained the highest respect for
the Presbyterians of the North of Ireland, yet be thought
they would do themselves little credit by interfering in
this matter. While he was on his legs (Loud laughter)—
he would draw their Lordships' attention to a motion
which he was about to propose, relating to the case of
the Rev. Philip O'Reilly.
The Marquis of NORMANBY said that perhaps the
Noble Marquis would permit the Noble Etrl to answer
the question which had been put to him before he pro-
ceeded with the case of Mr. O'Reilly.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH, without paying any
attention to the request of the Noble Marquis, continued.
—An offence bad been imputed to the Rev. P. O'Reilly,

a Roman Catholic clergynian ; he had been brought be-
fore a magistrate, and instead of the ease proceeding as

usual, it had been stopped by order of the Governaieht.
The Noble Marquis had said that cnongh had been done,
hut he could not understand what had been done. All

had been stopped. He could understand that it might be
right in certain cases for the Government to interfere to
prevent vindictive preceedings, but such was not the case
here. The excitement attending such proceedings had
frequently been attended with loss of life. He accused
the Government of showing gross partiality to the Ro-
man Catholic clergy. The Government were always pro-
fessing that equal justice should be administered to Ro-
man Catholics and to Protestants, and he would say no-
thing could be more just than that; he highly approved
of it ; but they were always showing favour to the Ro-
man Catholics. Had the Government not been aware

of the serious nature of what they had been doing, they
would have let them know the names of them who had
done it. Blackstone had stated that compounding of-
fences in this way had a tendency to make the laws
odious—and such would be the case. The people of
Limerick would know no reason why this man bad not
been brought to trial, except that he was a Roman Ca-
tholic clergyman. The Noble Marquis had first of all
asked what O'Reilly it was. Now he must bave known
,hat O'Reilly was a very common name in Cavan, and
,hat nowadays nothing was more common than for persons
in Ireland having these common names to put an 0' be-
fore them, in order to make themselves of consequence.—
( A laugh.) Then the Noble Marquis had said that this
was not an offence relating to landed property, but to
tolls. Were not tolls property?
The Marquis of NOR MANBY—The Noble Marquis
stated that it was a dispute about land.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH had been mistaken in
making that statement. It had been said that the collector
of these tolls went to the head of the town to collect them
with a prayer-book, and all that sort of thing.—( Laugh-
ter.) What had that to do with it ? Property was not
safe. If the return had been made, it would Lave ap.
peered who had received the 501. for compounding this
offence, to what purpose it had been applied, and what was
the sort of acquittance given for it. Whoever had
given that acquittance might be indicted for obtain-
ing money under false pretences, and he did not'
believe that any money had ever been paid at all.
The Noble Marquis concluded by moving for a return of
papers relating to the transactions, and of the sums paid
by the Rev. Mr. O'Riley.
The Marquis of NORMAN BY said the motion was
substantially the same their Lordships had decided the
other night, but at the same time there was a difference ;
these the Noble Marquis had not mentioned, for the papers
then moved for were in existence, while those now moved
for were not in existence, so far as the Government was
cognizant of it. i.e was sure their Lordships would not
think it necessary he should noargo over the same ground.
again. Ho had stated that the Noble Marquis was mistaken
in supposing this was a question between Catholics and
Protestants, or in favour of Catholic priests. No doubt
many of these words were much more objectionable when
uttered at the altar than at any other place; but at the
same time that circumstance did not alter the nature of the
legal offence. In consequence of them the Government
ordered informations to be taken, and having taken these
the bench of' Magistrates, consisting of one stipendiary
Magistrate and two Magistrates of property residing in the
neighbourhood, of different political opinions, decided that
under all the circumstances of the case, and for the
peace of the country, it would be better to make
an amicable arrangement, and they therefore recommended
Father O'Riley to address a memorial to the Lord Lieute-
cant. That memorial was so addressed, and they accom-
panied it with their opinion as to the expediency of ac-
ceding to the prayer of the memorial. Then as to the 501.
the Noble Marquis was mistaken in supposing the Govern-
ment had any concurrence in that, it being the suggestion
of the Magistrates that O'Riley should pay that sum, a
course which was frequently pursued at Quarter Sessions.
That was the plain state of the case. Within the last few
hours he had received a letter from one of the Magistrates
on this subject ; and he was sure it would be satisfactory to
their Lordships to learn that the result of all this had been
the re.establishment of perfect peace in that country, and
that Father O'Riley had never repeated any of that lan-
guage to which objection was taken, and that, on the
other band, his broker had been restored to the legal pot-
session of his dues. This being the case, he hoped they
should hear no more of this case The Noble Marquis
had talked of trifling, but really he (the Marquis of Nor.
manby) thought, whenehe facts were considered, and also
the extent of business then before their Lordships, this
nothing
less; and however
amuse himself with muchmo-
ca se c
tohuel dNboeb
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mightas n ot
tions of this kind before Easter, he hoped they would not
be repeated for the remainder of the Session.
The Earl of HA DDIfaGTON thought his Noble
Friend the Secretary for the Home Department, was not
right in reading the lecture with which he had just con-
who naturally being keenly alive to every-
eluded his speech to his Noble Friend (the Marquis of
Westmeath)
thing of this kind in I. eland, came forward to move for
certain papers, which having been refused by the House,
by a majority of one, as his Noble Friend then& in con-
sequence of the writ of the Noble Marquis, he had upon
further information again brought it forward. He certainly
thought under the circumstances the priest should have
been brought to justice.
The Earl of FING AL had received a letter from one
of the Magistrates engaged in this business, who stated
that the eff2ct of the arrangement bad been most satisfac-
tory, and that he had received a letter from the Attorney-
General thanking him for his conduct, and stating that
Lord Ebrington was satisfied with his examination.
The Marquis of CL A NRICA RDE thought the only
effect of the motion would be to revive the discussion in
the country, an-I disturb the tranquillity which now existed.
The Eail of WICK LOW thought the question was
not of sufficient importance to occupy the attention of the
House, and hoped his Noble Friend would withdraw his
motion.

EVENING EDITION.

The Marouis of NO RM ANB Y observed he never had
any direct in-formaa9n the money had been paid.
The Earl of CHARLE:ILLE did not understand on
what grounds the Noble Marquis pbjected to the produc-
tion of these papers.
Tl:e Marquis of WESTME ATH replied, and stated
that he would postpone the motion, in order to give the
Noble Marquis an opportunity of ascertaining whether the
money had or had not been paid.
The Marquis of NORMA NBY would cppose the with-
drawal of the motion upon any such ground.

The Marquis of CCANIZICARIiE observed that the
Noble Marquis opposite ( Westmeath) moved for a certain
paper, and when be was told no iuch paper existed, he
said he would postpone the motion till it did exist.—
( Laughter.) Such a proceeding was merely tiifling with
the House.
The Earl of HADDINGTON rema.ked that the .
Noble Marquis had a i erfect right to postpone the motior.
if he thought proper.
After a few observations from the Marquis of SALis.

BURY and Lord WHARNCLIFFE,
The Duke of WELLINGTON said it would be very

desirable to put an end to the discussion.— Hear, hear.)
The Noble Marquis opposite ( Nornianhy) said there was
no such paper; the Noble Marquis behind him (West-
meath) said there was, and that upon inquiry it would be
found. Surely, under these circumstances, there could be
no objection to the postponement of the motion until that
inquiry was made.
The Marquis of WE STNIE AT H then withdrew kis
motion, and said be should, if he thought necessary, renew
it on a future occasion.

The Bills on the table were forwarded a stage.
PAYMENT OF WAGES BILL.

Lord MONSON moved the third reading of this Bill.
Lord PORTAI AN opposed the motion, and moved as
an amendment that it be read a third time that day three
months.

After a few words from the Marquis of NORMANBY,
Lord MONSON withdrew the Bill.
The House then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, Juir 2.

The SPEAKER took the chair at the usual hour.
On the motion of Mr. LID DE L L the Hartlepool Dock
and Railway Bill was read a third time and psimed.
WEAVER CHURCHES BILL.
Sir PHILIP EGERTON, having moved the third
reading of the Weaver Churches Bill,
Mr. THORNE I. Y presented a petition from Cheshire
against the Bill. The Hon. Member then moved the amend-
ment of which he had giver. notice, "That a Select Committee
be RR:Anted to inquire into the state of the River Weaver
and Wctson Canal, and of the quantity and description of
traffic thereon ; also of the amount of tonnage collected,

and the application thereof, with a view to a;eertein what
reduction of toll can be made for the benefit of the

public, and to report thereon to the House; and that
the Weaver Churches B:11 be not proceeded Kith
until the -Committee has made its report." The
House would readily believe him that in originally

bringing forward this iubject he had no view to tbe Weaver
Churches Bill; for he had called tic attention of the

House to it in the two preceding Sessions. In February,
1839, be presented to the House a petition from
the merchants of Liverpool trading with the United

States of America, complaining -of the dues that
ti ere exzcted on that river, and of the oLjects to which they
were applied.—( Hear, hear.) There was not a family in
the kingdom that did not contribute to the expenses of the
county of Chester, through means of the river Weaver
tolls upon salt. He could not say precisely what the amount
of the tax was, but he hoped the llouse would grant him
the Committee for which he asked, to ascertain the

amount.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. T. EGERTON opposed the amendment. He
said that the taxes oa the river Weaver were less than the

taxes upon any navigable river, canal, or railroad in the
kingdom. Within the last two years they bad spent be-
tween 200,0001. and 300,000/. on the navigation of the
river, and the greatest facilities were sflorded by it to com-
merce at the smallest possible expense.
Mr. HUME thought the object his Honourable
Friend, who had moved the amendment, bad in view,
ought to be supported, and as the present was a national
object, he believed it to be the duty of her Mjesty's
nisters to interfere. _ _ .

Mr. HINDLE Y said the public had a right to expect
the House would make a diminution in the amount of toll,

and if the Hon. Member for Wolverhan-pton failed in his
amendment, it was his intentiwi to move the introduction
of a clause that the toll be reduced from I2d. to 101. per

ton.
Mr. J. JERVIS had given notice of a clause for re-
modelling the constitution of the trustees, but as notice bad
not been left at the Private Bill office, he understood he
would not be allowed to propose the clause. He hoped
therefore the Honourable Baronet opposite would con-
sent to the postponement of the Bill, in order that
he might have an opportunity of complying with the
Standing Orders, and proposing this clause regularly
after due notice. He understcod from the gesture of
the lion. Baronet that that course would not be
consented to, and therefore he (Mr. Jersie) would move
that the debate be adjourned, for he was determined to
oppose its passing that evening, even if he stopped in the
House till that time to-morrow.
Mr. WILBRAHAM seconded the motion for adjourn-
ment.
Sir P. EGERTON was surprised that a gentleman, a
member of the legal profession, was not acquainted with
the Standing Orders of the House, and thought he had
adopted a most extraordinary course of proceeding. Ho
should decidedly oppose the motion for adjournment.
Mr. HOBHOUSE thought this one of the greatest
breaches of trust ever committed. He should not have
troub'ed the House but that he had served on a Committee
on the Bill and examined all the evidence, and came
to the conclusion that this Bill ought not to pass. When
it appeared that 19-20ths of the dues of the river duty
was paid by the salt proprietors, it behoved the Com-
mittee to give this subject the deepest attention. He
did not say the trustees had totally neglected their
duty; but be did say that the navigation of the
river might be greatly improved by making ship-canals
and otherwise, and be thought the surplus funds sheltie' be
applied for such purposes.—( Hear, hear.) He, therefore,
bad come down determined to oppose the Bill, and support
the amendment of the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton ;
but he thought it would be far better the debate should be
adjourned than brought to a precipitate conclusion.—
(" Hear, hear," " Divide, divide.")
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE would put it to the Hon. Ba-
ronet the Member for North Cheshire, whether it was
worth while to enter into a contest in which those oppos-
ing him etuld not yield, when all that was asked was an
adjournment of the debate till Monday ? Under the cira
cumstances of the case ho thought the request was rea-
sonable.
Mr. HINDLEY wished to put it to the Hon. Baronet
whether it would not be better to take the division upon
the motion of the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton, and
then adjourn the debate till Monday?
Mr. T. EG E RTON agreed that the division would be
better taken on the third reading, and then the question
of adjournment might be considered.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment
Against it
M. jority against the adjournment —54
Mr. JERVIS then moved that the House do adjourn.
His object in making that motion was not to offer a
factious opposition to the Bill, but to have an oppor-
tunity of introducing the clauses of which he had given
notice.
Mr. TATTON EGERTON opposed the motion.
There were two ways or defeating a Bill—( Hear)—'he
one an open and the other an underhand one ; and he a ould
leave it to the House which it was the Hon. Meraner was
following on that occasion.
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment of the H0u5e....... 74
Against it 275
Mljority against the adjournment —2ol
On our re-admission to the gallery we found
Sir GEORGE GREY on his legs, suggesting that
the third reading of the Bill should be permitted to
take place, and that on the question that the 13111
do pass, further proceedings should be postponed in order
to give his Hon. Friend an opportunity of bringing up
his clauses.
Lord STANLEY concurred in the suggestion of the
Right Hon. Gentleman. He was sure his lion. Friend
would be the last person in the world to throw technical
difficulties in the way of the Hon. Gentleman. He un-
derstood that the clauses were already prepared; the
chief difficulty was that duo notice had not been
given for that purpose at the Privsle Dill Office,
Now, if the Bill were read a third time to-night, and the
Hon. Gentleman were Ibis evening to giee his notices at
the Private Bill Office, he could bring up his clauses on
Monday, on the motion that the Bill do pass; he should
undertake to say that he should be secured against any
technical difficulties; at the same time the Hen. Gentleman
must be aware that at the present advanced period of the
Session, it was desirable his clauses should be considered
at the earliest possible period.
Mr. WILBRAHAM said the elapse he held in his
hand did riot interfere with the spirit of the Bill at all.
After a few words from Sir JAMES GRAHAM,
Mr. J. JERVIS had not understood there was any dis-
position on the other side to meet hire in a fair spirit. All
he wanted was to have the clasise fairly discussed. He had
no desire to throw any impediment in the way of the third
reading, and therefore he would withdraw his amendment,
upon the understanding that the Bill would not be pasted
without a discussion upon the clauses he intended to pre-
pose.
Mr. THORNELY begged to state that be should per-
severe with his amendment.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw,
No division took place. After some time the gallery
was re-opened, and we found
Mr. JERVIS, in a very excited tone, complaining of a
Noble Lord dealing in insinuations as to matters which
be had not the courage to state openly.
Mr. Flume and Lord -Castlereagh rose together amidst
loud cries of " Chair, choir."
The SPE AKER said the Noble Lord had not made
use of the expression in the sense which the Hon. and
Learned Member seemed to understand it. If he had so
used it it would have been his duty to have called him tc
order. The Home would bear with him when he said
that he was most careful to allow no personal allusions to
pass unnoticed.—(Cheers.)
Mr. HUM E—lt was always painful to him to differ from
the Chair ' • but, as far as expressions could bear a meaning,
the Noble Lord most certainly attributed motives to the Hon:
end Learned Member for Chester, and charged him with
having made a speech in order to gain time. By the
rules of the House no Member was warranted in doing
so, and it was the dots of the Speaker to prevent it.
Lord CASTLER EA G H—l do not hesitate for a single
moment to say that I believe, from a want of words to ex-
press my meaning in a proper manner, I may have used
words which might he interpreted as they have been by the
Hon. and Learned Member. But I will further say that even
if such were the case, that was no ground of justification to
him in making use of an expression whiclil caned- noticg
in this House, but wili4ll any elsewhere

EVENING EDITION.

Mr. J. JERVIS—If I have been carried away by my
feelings, which I do not admit to be the case, for it has
not been my habit since I had the honour of a seat in this
House to give way to angry feelings—the Noble Lord
says that from an inability to express himself properly, it is
possible he may have used language that would bear such
an interpretation as I put upon his expressions. If he
will withdraw his words and say that he meant to threw
no imputation upon me, then I will not hesitate to express
my sorrow fbr using the expression which has given him
offence. Ido not see that if any indulgence is to be given
to the Noble Lord for personal allusions—I do not see
why the same indulgence ought not 'to be given
to me.—(Loud cheering.) If he will state that
he had uo intention to attribute motives to me—
if the Nohie Lord will only withdraw his imputation,
I will do the same, with regard to the expressions I have
used.
Lord CASTLEREAGH felt that he had already said
all he could say under the circumstances.
Mr. THOMAS DUNCOMBE said that the Noble
Lord had oertaialy used language which reflected on the
oontitut of Members, bat as the Noble Lord had expressed
his regret at having done so, and as his Honourable Friend
(Mr. Jervis) had also hems willing to retract the expres
sions he had used, he thought the matter should then be
dropped.
Mr. JERVIeS said that he did not complain
of the Noble Lerd saying that he (Mr. Jervis) had
made a spee,ah far time. What he complained of was
the manner and tone of the Noble Lord.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said that whatever objec-
tions there might be to the expressions he had emplojed,
those. expressions would not warrant the language whict
the tifn. and Learned Member had afterwards used.
Mr. JE RVIS said that what he had to complain of was
the allusions that had been made by the Noble Lord, and
the tone in which they had been made. The Noble
Lord opposite on the observations he had made had
alluded to ceetein terms, and, in a sarcastic tone, as he un-
derstood, asked if he would withdraw them. If the Noble
Lord did not de so he (Mr. Jervis) sincerely repented
of whet ho had stated, but he could assure the House it
wan under that apprehension that he had made the observa-
tions ha had done. Understanding now that the Nob''
Lord had not mode the observatio% he had supposed he
had made, he mast state that he was sorry for what ho
had stated.—( Hear, hear.)
Viseount CASTLEREAGH was exceedingly sorry
that the Houkrable and Learned Gentleman had misun-
dersteed e had stated. —( Hear, Lear.)
Mr. ASHTON YATES rose amidst loud erics of
" Withdraw, withdraw," " Divide, divide," " Order,
order," an 4 was for some time inaudible, in
eonscupnee of the noise and confusion in the
body of the House. He said that those who voted
for this Bill were no friends to the poor, as they were,
in fact, voting for an increase ef 10 per cent.
on the duties en salt, which was a necessary
ef life. Se onerous were these tolls on the River
Weaver, that some years ago the Liverpool merchants had
it in contemplation to bring the brine from Cheshire, for
the purpose of having it refined, to avoid the duty of
ls. a ton, whiffs was levied by the Trustees of the River
Weaver, on the coal which was carried up the River
Weaver.
Mr. WILBRA H AM rose, but was quite inaudible in the
Gallery from noise and confusion in the body of the
House. After in vain endeavouring to address the
House, the Hon. Gentleman sat down, the noise and
confusion still continuing.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House
divided, the numbers were—
A yes
Noes

201
, ....... 122
Majority —79
After a few words from Mr. WILBRAHAM, the B
was read a third time.
Mr. JERVIS then moved that the further proceedings
of the Bill be adjourned. As far as he was concerned he
dill not care whether it was adjourned till Monday or Fri-
day; but he understood there was still some difficulty in
the Private Bill-office. He would therefore merely move
that the further progress of the Bill be adjourned without
naming a day.
Mr. D. J. STANLEY did not think it would be fair
to fix the Bill for an early day, because there two other
Hon. Members who wished to move clauses, and time
ought to be given in order to enable them to co-13ply with
the Standing Orders.
Mr. HODGSON had offered to take those lion. Mem-
ber's clauses to the Private Bill-office when he took the
clauses of the Hon... Member for Chester ; but the Hon.
Secretary to the Treasury had persuaded that Hon.
Menihey not to allow him to do so.—(Cheers from the
Conservatives.)
Mr. C. W. W YNNE said that there was nothing
which the House ought to guard more carefully against
than proposals for introducing clauses on the third read
ins of a Bill ; and the Standing Order on the subject
bad boon made in consequence of the groat abuses which
prevailed under a different system. No Member should,
he thought, be at liberty to introduce clauses of which he
bad given no notice whatever, and it would have been the
duty of a Member who intended to introduce them to have
taken the proper means of informing the lions. on the
subject. The promoters of the Bill should not then be in
a worse position than they would be if the general rule
had been followed.
Mr. E. J. STANLEY said that due notice had not
been given yesterday, as no House had been formed.
Mr. T. E GERTON said that those Members who wished
to have an opportunity of introducing new clauses on Mon-
day were in a totally different position from the Hen.
Meenbcr for Chester, who had already been frustrated in
his intention by mere technicality.
Tile question having then been put that further proceed_
lags of the Bill should be postponed till to-morrow, as
well as the amendment that they should be postponed till
Monday next,
Lord STANLEY said he did not see on what grounds
they should be postponed till Monday. His lion. Friend
near him (Sir P. Egerton) had already acceded to
the propoeal for postponing the further consideration
of the Bill till tomorrow, in order that the Hon. Member
for Chester might not be defeated on a mere techni-
cality. He did not think that any similar indulgence
should be extended to ether 1-I,n. 'Members who had ne-
glected the opportunity of giving any notice whatever of
the c'aus-s 0-zey intended to introduce. The Under-
Secretary of Sate (Mr. E. J. Stanley) had said
that Hon. Me-mbers had not the opportunity of giving
notion, as there had been no House 3 ester& y. But
th• statement was not quite accurate, inasmuch as the
Private Bill Office was open for the convenience of Mem-
bers. lie was sure that as a reasonable indulgence had
been given to Hon Gentlemen opposite, that indulgence
would not be stretched fouther.
Mr. HUME would ask Ron. Members whether they
thought they could promote these objects by the course
they were then pursuing. All that was asked for was, a
delay of from Friday to Monday, and he thought it would
be well to accede to the proposal.
Sir P. F,GERTON said that if a delay were allowed
till Monday, it would be impossible eo say how many
clauses might he introduced in the mean time.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but
Mr. E. J. STANL E Y said he would not press it to a
division.
The further consideration of the Bill was then postponed
till to-morrow (this day).
Mr. S NFO D moved for certain returns connected
with the local constabulary.
DROPPED ORDERS.
The dropped orders were then re-appointed.
CHINA.

Sir ROBERT PEEL gave notice of his intention, on
lkier.day next, to ad( a question of the Secretary of State
for Foreign Affairs, respecting the construction of certain
Orders Ia Council relative to Chinn.
IRISH REGISTRATION.
Lord STINLEY Veen moved that the House should
reec6e itself into a Committee on the Ilegistration of
Voters (Ireland) Bill.
Mr. O'CONNELL rose to move an instruction to
the Committee that the franchise might be defined. He
had no doubt that the Noble Lord would call his oppo-
sition to this Bill vexatious. He did not think so, He
considered himself justified in the course he was adopt-
ing, but he did not hesitate to say that considering all
the circumstances—considering from the alterations
made by the Noble Lerd in the Bill, which prevented
its coming into eff2ct till July 1841, that his persever-
ance was a vexatious one.—(Hear, hear.) He was
pm-revering not so much for the purpose of carrying the
Bill as affording him an additional triumph over the
people of Ireland. Even if the House looked favour-
Aly at the Bill, he would venture to say that
it would be utte.ly impossible to get through
all its ciau'es during the present Session, yet
with all the in*"..aiments before him, the Noble Lord
appeared deteemined to persevere with the Bill, and
such be'eag the case he (Mr. O'Connell) considered
that 'oe was warranted in-not abaci:lg one jot of his oppo-
sAion.—(Hear, Lear.) Now, with respect to the in-
struction whirls he was about to move to the Committee,
he would a* whether it was not inconsistent with
common sense to make a registry for voters without first
havtng clearly defined what the qualification was, which
was necessary to give that vote. All this might fall
uselessly upon the ear of the House, but it would have
some effect out of doors. This was so obvious to the
gentleman who had brought in Bills before to amend
the registration, that in all the Bills, but more especially
in the one brought in by the Government, there was
a definition of the franchise. These facts were so ob-
vious, that it was hardly necessary for him to detain
the House longer, but that he feared he should be met
with an opposition of a different nature. It had been
asserted that the qualification wes distinct, and that
there had been judicial decisions on the subject.
Now he denied that there had been any such judicial
decisions on the subject, for between the Judges
and the Assistant Barristers there had been the most
conflctins, decisions. Some of the Assistant Barristers,
as lied been admitted, did not think themselves
bound bv,the decision of the Judges, and the majority
of the. Judges did not bind the opinion of the minority.
Such being the state of the law in Ireland he would ask
how it could be said that the qualification was distinct?
The fact was that the law-wars in a state of complete
uncertainty, and the votes of parties depended upon,.
what Assistant Barrister heard their claim, or what,
Judge went the Circuit. Having stated that this dif-,
fereuee exists between the 13erristere...and the Judges; it
was necessary for hien to show Low that difference arose.
..There was a difference between the rut paid by
the tenant and the beneficial interest had in the
laud. In this country the political economists had
divided the benefical interest in the land thus :
They had calculated that the tenant derived three rents
out of it, one for rent, one for-labour, and the other
for himself ; an -1 this he should use as an illustration of
the test of what the solvent tenant could pay. The
result that would follow from: that would-be this—the
10/erent, or qualification, would be 10/. for rent, 101: