The Sun.
London, England, 1840-06-03 00:00:00

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sue h.ul the power to qipiy the leo
any special case, and if they refused
to
, the
consider any case, there was no remedy until
Bill lately passed by them became lawesier,Hesf,
He thought the Visiting Justices had, in the present t
s'a ce, very unwisely increased the public sympathy o
behalf e.f !he,• prisoners by aggravating the puntsnniea t to
who h ihti j
Lo G eOMERSET wi-bed to set the Hen. M. In
tor Lambert, right al, h respect to the treatment rl
Vincent while cot.fiiii d in the gaol of Monmouth, bee'esoee
thet individual bad expressed his wish th,t. if his conne.,
or
ment was to continu:i, he might be sent hack to the g"iu ht
Monmouth Wily the great charge which was held
against the Monmouth Magistrates was, that they bad
acted too leni, rely, but as they had all throvgh endeavo°r~rely,
to treat Mr. V:nceet according to his s ation ir, life, and Ad
in the srrangeotehts they made for that purpose thetiour;
had the coesent of the Secretary of Sete for the Department, the eloquence of the Hon Member wasaitee
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hither thrown awsy Seeing. what the tenor of !be are
cars in the Western Vindicator was, and knowing ,T,t,
there acre other nide:men a pending against tbet WI;
il, he certaiely sh. old not give his consent to the stet
ut the Hon. tied Learned Member.
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Mr T. DUNCOMBE said the question before
House was the edieinistration of the law as regarded
Vincent, and what was complained of was, that theists, iss
ease, had not he en feisty administered, and that the sentee.o,
had been much more severe that the Judges origillslV lo,ie
tended. If the Secretary of State had no power to_ved
terfere, by what right had Mr. _Vincent been rev'...,
from Monmouth gaol to the Penitentiary at Millbanh s iA,
( Hear, hear.) An application had been made hi ik
Vincent's counsel (Mr. Roebuck) to Baron Mders°o
who stated that there was nothing in Mr. Vincesl''
to call for severity, and that if he was so treated be bse
been used. He ( Mr. Duacombe) had seer, Mr.
cent a few days ago—he believed his health was good's e
'he then wore the prison dress. But Mr. Vincent So
printer, and they compelled him to work in the prison gmet
tailor.—( A laugh.) It was no part of IsSeeon Alders ht
sentence that he should work as a tailor. Whet/thr
had they to compel that man to work as a tailor?To
might as well have made him a chimney-svreePer• aor
Hon. Under-Secretary of State had taken adse°l7gese
Mr. Vincent hiving signed a letter to his mother, her
happy son," but the fact was he merely wished to tanked!
ars on his behalf. The law had been
most iloPr°P-ese
.violated in the case of Mr. Vincent, and the
vie': pot
was because he was a Chartist.—( Hear.) Why was sty
Mr. Stephens subjected to the same treatment? beeflose
he was a Tory ; but Vincent -;as a Chartist. Hi. hot
F. tend sa d the storm had bloWn over, but he did not. t,
jil
i; was or would be so long as th• se men were treat; to
tta
this manner, and so long as the Heuse refused to list
the wishes ef the people.—( Hear, hear.)
S,r E WILMOT sail it would be most irsproeiertsitie
give a discretionary potter to Magistrates to mitigate,s t.,01"
-crease the severity of a sentence. It would be much.t
.0 provide some general regulations for the eliscipt,°-
orisons for the whole kingdom.
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Mr. JER VI S said they should confine theesSovileed
to th particular case of Mr. Vincent. He apPrem,-teso
they had little to do now with his politics, and that it
eo in consequence of them, but of the different rare!
lions of their resoectivs prisons Mr_ Vincent wassP"irt
a severer impsi-onment than Mr. Stephens. The
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was this, that the Learned Judge senteuced Mr V°, v.
to a certain imprisonment in a prison under certaio r,11.6
lations for a certain off nee. He was so impris°ild'oos
circumstances rendered his removal to another place •yee
venient, and it did appear to him the explanatton.g
red
exaggerated the charge. He cared not how agg": al
ity
was the offence. The Judge bad seeteneed him to
prisonment where he received certain indulgences. 6004
4 matter of pol.ey and economy the Government rellle
him where he could not enjoy them. On this nrwra"' or
they might hang a man elle bad been sentenced Welts" of'
portation, because it was a more economical puni:s"-weere
—( Hear, hear. ) It came to that, and the House ato
called on to decide vihsther any person could tee 'tb,e
jacted by other authority to a severer sentence than
to which he had been sentenced by the Judges.--(llesei
Mr. WAKLE Y thought the punishment of pant
or
persons at the present time, and the manner of that pe° is
ment ought to excite serious alarm. He would aide,
keeping up the discussioa on this subject night aft''r !oi
until the evil were remedied Would any Noble rtioA
have been made a tailor of if he had committed a. po
offence? He thought not. There was now sitslnif °A ee
Treasury Bench a Cabinet Minister who had tried moreg
~
toe
citing language than Mr. Vincent; the fitro. Genr:tbeita
was sent to prison, but did he stitch etnalte.,"'6,eo
did he make waistcoats ? No; and if he 'bap oil
forced to do so, be would never have rested -°
he had his revenge. Were polifo,l, offenders'
treated Rs felons? This was absolutely torture lodge
upon Vincent for pronouncing his otti' oons. The 00
thotsidy,
sentenced him to imprisonmeet—that was formerly
sufficient ; but now, in addition to vanfieement of his I,gee
he was to have his mind tortusee, It was really &oat
rous. If these things were alone while they set tido,
side of the House, he did not know what would be
'cod
when they were on the other, He thought the Seceliaitis
of State had reason to payse before he ventured tr.
gate the sentences of persons sentenced to
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sonment, seeing bow he had been calumeisteumer,
vilified for his leniency in a sister country--("- g
hear)—hut this House swain to fortify him and eucoullgr,
him in allowing letiiency to these prisoners. He "dsco
stood that the Noble Marquis had sent orders.
to rnitikor
the suff•rings of Mr. O'Connor - why could he not dv.se
with regard to Mr Vineetit ? fie hoped he would Lies':
back to Monmouth. The Noble Lrrd the Seegetarl the Cslouies. at the time he was at the Home.saffie'. wail
always willing to show leniency. He could Wet belie
that the Government wished to torture those Pris°-e erld
and he hoped the vote of the House that sight seou r
encourage the Noble Marquis in a lenient eourFc. Aft%
the example which had been set him by
tbouent it the language language whicii
had been used of late years, he
bar
to visit an enthusiastic
youth like Vincent :LP
with such excess of pueishment. He hoped he would
be
removed to Monmouth as be desired.—( Cheers. )
Mr. A G LIONBY witheut wishing to palliate bits otterir4
felt that the punishment Mr. Vincent was nu* eedu
was more calculated to raise popu'Ar sympathy than
ood, writings that be could publish; he
really thought sgd
et
case had heeti made Out for a dietisiuti„ of the pealobt
punishment to ehieh he had been 'sentenced. He thel
the argument of the Hon.
strong argument for re,, ovirte,,eem from the penirenlllo.
a here he was undergoing the. punishment of a felon. tee
doubted if sufficient grout, os had been shown for his to
&so fetary himself furniali!
nova! foots Monmouth Val, but even if it had beep
shown, he ought to ho thete been removed to some goof, 0,
regulations of which., svcre similar to those of Monmo°o
He proposed thee the duration of the punishmeut
0
to lessen, d itt tit sev ir•ty grf •
Lord JOHN RU ei SELL sold' ihtat4 Learned
ho had tri•:d M. Vinvetit had not matt:l.:an
y cum
ii ens to Ose not
who had the charge (if the g rho
'out tbet Learn. d Judge hof conveyed an -to;inion t°
CieSnsel for the prison. r, that he did slot think there
to be .may thirstiness or sere. ity exercised. toward4i. ter
Viiieent He rad made a similar statement in a •
address ,d to the H rue Secretary. After that a cy* tel
poadenee followed between some of the Magistrates eto
himself '(Lord John Russell) eith respect t°'
treatment to which the prisoner should be suNe-,te*
e se'
The M igistratea stated that they had grantid. soui"olee
dulgeticea, and he ( Lord John Russ.. II ) • suggr ,fed; any
oth rs. and it did hot seem that alter that as' re was Mr'
complaint made with respect to the teat trnent, o' pit
Vincent in Mosimeuth gaol. The prisoner was afiersse.o
removed from the gaol in question, but tihat did not
from anything he had done there, but s' I from i"
tb it his presence in Monmouth gave a.. pretencerr for e-s,
citement and agitation in that counts' The removal W 0(
not, therefore, caused by any Tar
on the i'lltelf
Mr. Vincent, Tne Secretary of State bad wedGamsesThO
the power of removing Mr. Vincent to it,'"
other prison, but it was felt that; it. would not be fTh."- t
lay any adittional expense in the' way on another jiff'
•
Mr. Velem was therefore rev ovA to the Pettit", ore
the rules of which uedsubtedly made confineull,",gilts4
see .re than whim intended by t/Je Judgee, the M"gi",:ettl°
ne the Secretary of States,-....( Neer, hear.) The 'iota
Lord, the Secretary for the Home Department' oaf
,aver, notice. however, •of his determinatiors tet-tlO the law with respect sa the treatment of pa rties
he"
Penirehtiary, so :hat he would be ent.bled t 0904
sen the great 'oarshoess to which Mr. Vinee,ll °*'
now subjected, With regard to the lareseosal of (4%50'
ing the Crown for the purpose of rereies g the ino,
anent of any party, be should certainly such a"'lt-ol°
Ilia decided negative. But at the s -sine time' he 19;7110/
allow that if the advisers of the Ceown shall feel efte'• os
feround for remitting
tv‘imasenthe punishment which Mr. Vitteen t had node abet
pato 1 ALF OURaD
should be ready to do 80. ro:itd
the
hist
ir she
he
t ectioeueort..
erg
ettl'
Ser • •
ryas derstand from the statement of the Nobile Lord tbsletch, a_nTu expectation that the additional( suffl.rintfe,",;lot
V cent had undergone would lead to a remits!, le
his punishment, he shoulu feel that thy object of bit'
eats'
ibrew. apttEaiEneLd.
expressed his
tions ouregret
's that
übj .tpble
'condi
Lord had made an
part, be should everyresist any atter apt. ein the pet •eos Pf
House of Commons to interfere month p 01'441,4 0
the Crown, He thought that it 'wily ideb.uerla: dast:sge—sly
ec the
oir: hl:
to
precedent which would enab'se
to attribute harshness to the crownl)op e°d re'
rn
claim the merit of claenev to itself, it
cleat
right that there should
He,
r
et the Crown grant it. tie. was sorry, boweryr' t"esett silo
and Noble Lord for the purposseeof remission of ettlutsketd,teho
getting rid of the V.l"-
had held out any promi,'es v:ith regard t
Lord JOHN RUS,S Psis wished to Plain the °ale-
ment he land made.. 17. e did not ertshexthat the HilLsite
should interfere in quest ens of' mercy but while he be° a
state the whole tase, art d warn he found that for rear;
,f public convenience. plr. Vincent had been
severer punishment than had been intended 14 -be
Judge, to. the 'Mairistrates, or the ecretary State' or
thoug'at he was jusstrtsd in observing that the advisers
the Crown might take those circumstances into consitkr;
He "" h"dli hi.' thought to have discussed th
subjec_ifeuth.o
quettion, isidioua making that admission.
Mr S recant TA L 1,0 17 RD then ivithdrew his rnotielY
Mr. Sergeaat 11'.ALFOEIRD then brought forward the 96.7;
tiers of Mr F. 0' /
Connor, the details of chick he said he """-
not g into,they already 1. ;
been sufficiently euteished, but
e
wished to impress upim the !Uwe that Mr. d'Connorba begs('
subjected to indigse ter which the Judge who tried him. 11°--,
untie ipated, indignities which appeared not far from 5, /Our',
,tiroanhyadon.e. whit tr,cl ever occupied the station of a ire' atioujt%
ofh mingled, as a Alember of that House, in flue, siesw'";„,'
guoing unities a,
gee lrmen, would peefer the most bodily torture ti sueb la"-
( Hear, heat.fir O'Connor had been tllO,l
) lee begged to move an address so the era the
tar.sti th. removal of Mr. O'Connor 'torn Yor!.. Castle to. t-t
‘°2 Bench, or :some relies r' •del v°-
p bon, where rules -
require such degrading •
tiIiOTHER TON vette' en teed a peti„tion from Man. LOP
ter in Mr. O'Connor's favour.
Mr. FOX MA ULE said, without entering gat all int th
(*use of Mr. O'Connor's sentence,
3re. would frankly st't a thB
no such indignities had been isootemeisated by his Noble it rsvt"

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