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EOUSE OF PEER 7.

TUESDAY,' MAY

Their Lordshi „
There, at f PS met, pursuant to !special auyiurn-
svo o'clock. Lord ELLENBOROUGH &it'd
as Pro-ChanediOr, and shortly atter the Houser
on the motion of •Earl U, HURST, adjourned till
nee.
Oa tile res
cEresuming of ,the Honse, the Leer CHAN-
LLOR took his seat on the Woolsack. f The Marqeis of LAN kN 6Dot presented a Petitionii:)m the Lord Mayor, Aklernien, and Commons of
bl ,
eCitY of London, iii.Comrnen Council essem-
the principal -objeef of 'which ." was, for a
eat tety of reasons assigned therein, to..prevent the
Extension of the Trade to 'lndia andChina.to the
see-pot-is,
LElecri few Words were interchanged between the
se'lle° CHANCELLOR and •the Noble. Marquis, re-
al a point of formality with regard to the
eg;'ing and verification of the- document as the offi-
vial act of the Corporation of London. The Petition
45 afterwards ordered to lie on the table.
His
AsSASAINATION OF THE PREMIER.
the Royal Highness the Duke of YORE. presented
to- "ePort of the Prince Regent's Answer to their
14141 W Address of yesterday, on the above • me-
ee h'Y hot important subjea. The effea of this
nationrn4lunication was to express the feelings of indig-
a, , and regret entertained by the Prince Regent
11`:117 Violent death, by the hands of an assassin, of
lai.e"`l6l lion. Spencer Perceval, Chancellor of his
01Jes'Y's Exchequer, arc. assuring their Lordships
eicit the information required by their Lordships
that be duly communicated to the House; and
ncirwstePs should be wanting on the part of his
to c Royal rliehness, to, bring the offender or offenders
ti!il:ltgo and exemplary punishment.
in; Royal Highness's most gracious answer be-
-1,10
tmt' .read in the usual way, it was ordered, on the
ri4:.of the LORD CIIA.VCELLOR, that the said an-
-1:, with the address of their Lordships, which gave
eh.° it, should be printed and published.- .
"SION FOR THE FAMILY OF MR..PER-
fe CE VA L.
kt, ssage from hi, Royal Highnesi the Prince
relent oe this subject, was presented by the Earl
to leeErttl'oote, similar in effect to ,that presented to
eioe. of
OtLL Messagee \vLoasnipmreosnesnied to the LORD CIIA!4"
144,14, in order to be read, in the first instance,
oble
tae \ilhe Woolsack ; but the grief and agitation of
and Learned Lord on the occasion were
vaace' 44, frequently overpowered by his tears, he
It ;Liable to finish the reading of the document.
the as accordingly read in form by the Clerk at
titbit
eeer„, arl of LIVERPOOL
.then rose, and, fre.
61tatal °Paressed by his feelings, said that he
,as the On an occasion of such interest and feeling
'rare i present, take the liberty of moving an e
Address edat
Fricke dress to His`, Royal Highness the
lage. ii,44e.,gern, in consequence of his gracious Mes-
of a pia: ucling this, he should feel himself unworthy
illatneic,e among their Lordships, if he could for a
Nore-e`entertaiu the sentiment, that any topic here-
;l'!ltall;°_,nected with political considerations, pro-
e.uifferences of opinions, would prevent any
an eh. wtaniber of that House from concurring in
seeli"er involving What was so justly dear to one,
that 2,11 his country experienced such a loss ;—to
',!hlet,°l and excellent Man, who with indefatis
14 his e-'4' used his best endeavours in the service
'te b •"°vereien and the country. In this sentiment,
1 eliesee ,"•
14(1 no } they, were all agreed; but. this much he
ever „,'esitation to say, that he balieved few men
grid Who were endowed with more virtuaS;
everthat "0 man whatever. had fewer faults. If
lersor,are existed a man less likely to provoke
p o.,ell"ility than .another, e man [referred whom
1111::edingS Of that night so greatly ,
"ilOse-s.. Person If ever there lived a msn in
*es uicateposition not' a partielenf gall existed, he
i(i'tlyi4urclan. The . Noble Eat I expressed his full
N. 1 fiat it would be ,an unnecessary. waste of
t het
111 4d oships time, and be would proceed no far-,
L
L occasion, than by mot i•ng an address to
in Ragent, assuring his Royal Highness of
"lite,:ce rusl'ips' strong participation in his sense ald
14 err
Pts resPectine the • murder of the Right Hon.
t~e andeteeval: of their high sense of the pri
PublicCe virtues of that Minister, and of
1,1 aYI-1. shiP cordial concurrence in any measures
•Highness may adopt, on the behalf of
the towards making a suitable provision
tttet.ara!nilY of the Right Honourable Spencer
• •
41 Gee
ti,e 'lr his cordial concurrence in
adds expressed .
le 1,3; moved by the Noble Secre,ary of State;
4,4141 frlvi "'e the roost affectionate and private per..
'ett "1 I‘,lr. Perceval himself could not be
ve -'re- To this he was induced, chiefly by
t'v titeni 1
P atkOn of' the deelorableanil melancholy
51te ki I
11);,.'Fortl "appily terminated his existence,and
; 1 beret h - sincere desire that 'a suitable provision
noae
it 4 49-tor the family of a Minister sb cut 'oil'
wai '5l °f his services. As- to the merits of these,
%st ° hire „o
1.4 av w no question ; atthe same tirnehe
ti et 'atm(' °'" eXpressing his opinion, that the mu;
wrt of clatTes with more feeling and propriety, if
?c forms of Parliamentary proceeding
t('',c‘iirre-rendrd to. But though he most cordially
tis.t" eo,„tith the Address,andsodeeply participated
--"""" sentiment on this melancholy OCCa•
1)11°111. atiViS "bliZud to say, with a view to his own
khibiiit consistency, and in order. to ptevent the
siethe of future misrepresentation, if any word
airaieseeQcument could be supposed to convey an
ilel of
_these services, in an opinion of
jtetkll" le :1,41 the misfortune to dissent from so many
ic);(1. je-`'s to such words he thus generally ob-
-4' tepee rt4talering the Noble Lord's knowledge
ts tr it eve of the worthy and respeaable
said n, it was his opinion not one word
100 much. He should trouble their
ttattbw/th no further observations on the sub-
t, 1%4 th:gilididl to repeat his most sincere concur-
ress.
orthh. - being put, the same was voted by
leat'',slre;,ll:B nem. diss. and' it was ordered that
!Qy the snould be presented to the Prince Rere
le Lo'e, Whole House.
541144 oe ides with white staves were then ordered
i'llll, ',Royal Highness to-learn his pleasure,
aitieswet:44 receive *the Address of their Lords

, . .
1 , -
The tiid Of 1., tvertioctr. then ekpietted iris idten,.
tiort of moving to-morroW; that the House thonid
adjourn for a few 'days, *lnch, he thought; ender
the circumstances, would not be deemed improper.

A short conversation then ensued between Earl
GREY and the Noble SKcaeTARY of STATE, in re-
ference to the ad t anced stale of the Sesson, and the
propriety of proceeding without delay, in the inves-
tigation respelling the Orders in Council:
with a view to the convenience of the individuals
who were in attendance, for examination ; but no
particular course seemed 'to be determined on by
their Lordships in consequence.
_ _ _

The LORD CHANCI3I4OR observed, with refer-
- ence to what had passed between the two Noble
Earls, that he trusted there were many Noble Lords
in' that House, who would not think it an ill be-
stowing of their time, it they spent a whole month
in addition to their usual time -of sitting, if they
thodght they could employ that month usefully to
the country. He felt for the inconvenience to
which individuals may be put 'as much as any man
could dor and he trusted their Lordships would give
hith credit as to the warmth and sincerity of his
feelings, with regard to another consideration. But
in. his mind, the state..of the country was not really
via; as that the interval of a week,,a fortnight, or a
mouth, was comparatively a Consideratipn of no im-
portance. They, had seriously to consider thesitn-
ation•in which the country was' placed at this mo-
ment. He would rather suffer d.-ath than refrain
from saving, that though, in the course of a few.
days, they maybe able to do something better with
reference to the subjea alluded to, he-felt it was ne-
cessary they should only adjourn fro,it day to day,
in order to be ready to proceed according to what
.may possibly happeo in the country.

_ .
The Eatiol LtratirgoL „shortlyspoke in expla.
nation.

Their Lordships then proceeded to forward the
Bills upon ibe table, which were chiefly of a pri-
vate nature.

Several:Private and Local Bills were brought up
from the -Commons; by Messrs. biekerpion, r.,ey-
cester, Davenport, H. Smith, ands other Mt:tubers,
and- respettively read a first, time.
Adjourned till to-morrow.

HOUSE OF c;0111,110NS.

TUESDAY, MAY 12.

MR. PERCEVAL.

The House was opened at four o'clock, and pre-
sented the most melancholy, and one -of the most
crowded yerciacles we have ever witnessed. After
a considerable✓ pause of a mast affeaing nature,
Lord CASTLEREAGH appeared at the; Bar, with a
Message from his Royal -Highness the Prince Re-
gent, which belts brought up, .was read.by the
SPEAKER as follows :--
"GEORGE, P. R.

"His Royal Highness the Panics Rzcsnr, deeply im-
pressed with the severe loss which has been sustained in
consequence of the Murder "of the Right lion. Si>slicia
PERCLVAL, and being extremely desirous of marking the
deep sense he entertains of his public services and private
virtues, and of affording that relief and assistance to his
aftliC.ted Family. of which they stand so much in need, re:
commends to the. House of Commons, in the name and on
the behalf of his Majesty, to enable him to make such pro-
vision for this purpose, as to their justice and liberality may
deem proper. —(Loml ePier of Hear! )

Lord CASTLEREAGH was sure he only anticipated,
the feelings of the House and of the Empire at
large,. 'when he ob,erved, that it •had never fallen to
the lot of any individual, in or nut office, to call
the attention of Parliament to a transaction of a na-
ture so painful, as that to which he was now about
to call their attention. Whatever, itu'ulg- nee he
might experience fiom the liberality of the House,
he could not but be aware, that it would have been
much better had his Right Hon. Frisni near him
(Mr. Ryder) addressed them on the present melan-
cliolyoccasion. The feelings of his Right Honour-
able Friend, however, were tooaaoe erfully affected
to allow him to do so, and he trusted, that that cir-
cutnstance.would exonerate him from the charge of
presumption in taking upon himself the task of call-
ingopon the Hiiuse to mark by their vote, their ve-
neration for the memory of his, great and dear
Friend, ilit were a casein which peat ability and
eloquilice were necessary to move the feelings of
the House, he would have much more doubt of his
competence to the undertaking but whatever dif-
ference. ot political opinions might exist in that -
House, of this.he was confident that in the present.
instance, there could be only one feeling in -the
assembly which he bad the honour to -addiess—
there could be hut one feeling, in the breasts of .Eng-
lishmen—namely—the importance of rescuing the
character of the country, and of distinguishing by
the most milked disgust, an a6t of, atrocity which
was inconsistent with the first emotions of human.
nature. It there was any thing in addition to the
private virtues of his Right Honourable Friend
which could make it the peculiar duty of
Parlia-
meat to concur in the sentiments expresse,l by his
Royal Higorwas the Regent, in his most gracious
message to that House it was the consideration
that the loss which his family and the country de-
plored, was a loss occasioned by the attenthnce of
his Right Honourable Friend to the public ser-
vice. The particular occurrence which brought
on the calamity in question, was produced by
the conscientious dischar:e of public duty on
the part of •his Right Honourable Friend, who
would not permit a claim to be successfully pre-
ferred to Government, for which he was satisfied
there was no just foundation. It was a grateful part
of his duty to mention, that as far as they had been
enabled to investigate the subject. Government were
of opinion that this was an insulated act, and that
whatever reptoich it might otherwise cast on the
national character, it ought to be exclusively con-
fined to the individual by whom it was perpetrated.
He was persuaded that there was no assembly in
which, under such circumstances, all Political dif-
ferences would subside -more readily, than in
that Home. No man could feel guilty of any
abandonment of principle, in turning aside for
a moment from the consideration of these dif-
ferences, to that of the case of his Right Ho-
nourable' Friend. Every one must be sensible
of the, peculiar situation of the family of his
Right Hon. Friend, from the circumstance of his
having so disinterestedly devoted himself to the pub-
I 1 ic
set vice. He had deserted an honourable arid a

lucrative prden:siott, of moment when his great
talents) which had since raised In o high in hi,
new capacity, promised advantag certlinly
nothing hot a strong and un lled sense of
tatiblit duty could have induced him to forego,—,-
He knew of his own knowledge that hi., Right Hon.
Friend had ionst relotlirly withdrarvin frorwthat pro-
fession. hatever vantage the public might have
derived In the change, it ought to be considered,
that had it not taken place, his family miiht have
been crowned with affluence, and with all the bless-
ings that such a husband ..such a father could be-
stow.—He WAS sure that whatever difference- of opi,
won there might be with. respell to his Right Hon.
Friend's political merits, it would be utianimously
allowed that never ha't any.individual, in the dis-
charge of great and important publie duties, in times
of the most arduous nature, concluded himself in a
manner so well calculated to conciliate a large por-
tion of personal esteem.—Never bad man mere
friends and fewer etietr. les-si-nay, a single enemy was
not to he found in the
‘Orcle of those who-perSonally
knew him. Parliament could never pursue abetter
policy than carefully to shield those' who Were
engaged in the public service against the efreets
of private and individual resentment. It w.s a
duty due not less In their• families than to the coun-
. try. He felt and he spoke, sincerely, that it would.
be only weakening the interest of the case to go far-
ther into the subject : all that he called upon the
House to do now, was, to recognise the general Prin-
ciple contained in his Royal Highness's Message.
With respell to the extent of the grant, that would
be' a subjed for consideration on a future day. The,
House would, tie had no dqubt, he anxious to pro-
tect from the adanger .of poverty. all who bore the
name of his lamented friend, and,aberefore, in fram-
ing grant, they would' perhaps consider it wise to
make it distributive, rather than to arrange it in sach a
way that the 'death of one or t vvo members of the fa-
mily mi.ght,,subjeci the rest'to the loss of all benefit.
As for the widow, her happiness in this world might
now be regarded asalosed ; but it might afford her some
consolation to ictiow that Parliament, in considera-
tion of the tire' its and- set vices of tier departed hus-
band, had made a suitable prevision for her children.
(Here the- Noble Lord was so much aflcted that he
was obliged to sit down a-midst .the loud cheers and
strong sympathy of the House.) The motion was for
an. Address to the Prince Regent, in answer to his
most graCious Message, expressing the cony urrenceof
the House in his Royal Highness's abhorrence of the
atrocity that had been committed, and in his anxiety
to provide for the widow and family of Mr. Perceval,
• Mr. PossorißY expressed himself anxious to se-
cond the motion. The character and honour of the
House were concerned it; showing that no difnrence
of political opinion would induce any Member to he-
sitate fora moment in evincing the most indignant
feelings at the horrible attocity that had beet
mitt,ed. One of the gredt blessings of a flee govern-
ment w as, that it allowed men to express their sen,i-
ments freely on all occas.ons, but if ads of revenge
and assassination, Ike the present, were to prevail, -
the morals of the people would be in a condition no
better than in those countries subjed to the most ri-
gid despotism. He was happy, therefore, to hear
the NoOle Lord state, that the national chat adet was •
not tainteu by any diffusion of this crime, but that,
as far as could yet be ascertained, the pill was con-,
fined to one unfortunate individual. 'Whatever diffe-
rence of opinion might exist on political .subjeas,
it was the right of every man in a free country to
declare his sentiments. H owever opposed he might
be in politics, to the individual to whose memory
they were now called upon to pay a just tribute, he
was persuaded that no man in the House, no man,
in England, would hesitate in vindicating the prin-
ciple whiai he had just laid down, or would allow
the family of that individual to suffer for the honest
expression of his sentiments. The Noble Lord . had
expressed a wish that the grant should be liberal, and
he (Mr. P.) was sure that there was but one senti-
ment on that subjeti in and out'of the House: It was
the duty of Parliament to interfere—tt could only
consult its honour by interfering liberally.—As for
the particular distribution of the grant, that would
be a subject fOr futUre discussion but in his opi-
nion, the principle recommended by the Noble
Lord ought to be -adopted. He was ,sure that 'it
must be the wish of the. House that no branch of
lila family of Mr. Perceval should be left in poverty
to lament the fate of his twfortunaCe fa-her. No
man thought Mr. Perceval's political opinions more
erroneous than he had always done, but he enter-
to ned the highest opinon of his honour, and,ttie
greatest affection to his person. He bad known
him in early life, and he had never known a man of
greater worth. As a husband, as a fattier, as a
friend, no man was mote to he adniirea. As they
could not restore a life so dear to all, they ought to
do that which-alone was in their, pcwer, and to alle-
viate the distresses of his family, and render the
retnnlfit of their lives as far cornfortab!d as they,
could, and if possible, happy.' ,

Mr. CANNING said, that even afzer. senti-
ments which had been just delivered by the Noble
Lord, and the Right Hon. Gentleman, be Was anxi-
ous to express his hearty concurrence. in the Address
and in the measure by which it wap.propoSed to be
followed. He could not but feel how in*!equately
he should express his own' feelings a,,d those of the
House on an occasion so' afflicting; but it I,v,as some
consolation to bear testimony with otherS to the re-
gret which was-felt by all for the loss of a man
whose virtues 'and talents were so conspictcus, and
who, though, like other men in a similar ,situation,
he had many political adversaries, had never had,
for he 'never could have, deserved, a mere Malignant
hostility. Of a man, with whom no one could agree
without feeling his , conviction strengthened by an
opinion of his talents and virtues, mid from whom
nu one could differ, without doing him the justice
'to acknowledge, that even his errors were the etc
tors of a virtuous mind. Theie was sotne consela-
tint) in reflecting, that the crime Which had 'robbed
the country of such an ornament was confined tO
'an individual, and he thought the Noble Lord'did
Well, thus early to giVe the intim.ifion, as the ad
was of a 'nature most liable' to be misrepresented
by the best and Wpi-st feelings of the mind: The,dia-
affeded (*gist put upon it the most abominable in-
ter
preiation, favourable to theWvieWs,and the friends
of the Constitution might be induced to admit greater
apprehensionllian the case warranted. He agreed
fully in that part of the Address which, expressed
their abhorrence of the transaction. The loss of
Mr. PercOral.tto the 'country was irreparable. 'To

ititt
fa miry it was irreparable also. But they
might do something to alleviate the emse-
quences to the Jailer ; and when they rev ilAgited
how often be (Mi. Percevai), in the course of the
last t ,vo years, had called 'Joon the in to mark their
genero;ity to those who had conquer. d in the cause
or m
freedo, and to sh the glory of those adions
by claributing to their relief., they ,A OUT • he was
,confident, be equally solieitnns, to perform the " ore
painful, t,ut not fess gracious oil k, of marking 'belt
tespe(-1 for his character, by a liberal giant to his
surviving relatives.

Mr. ArBITBRSAD S3ld, it was impossible to add
-any thing to, the iinpreision ar,!, dy mod by what
hart 'fatten friim both sides of the H,) se; but hav-
ing bee, a mprkecl ed pol. • ical antago; ist
of ivit. Pei peval, he was 4esnous to expr ss his con.:
currence in the vote. On his private virtu -S it was
unne,:essary to say thing. No one could deny
them. But among Ili', public virtues there .w 4. one
which he could not help haling up to tt.e imita-
tion of the House and of popiterity—tvat W 34 the
great control of temper which he po,,sessed, and
united with the firmest perseverance in his views
and obje6is Beyond the door of that Honse; he
(Mr. Whitbread) had never carried any teeing of
poiiiical animosity towards him. .It was inipossi--
ble that he could.-[Here Mr. Whitbread's voice
wa; quite overpowered by lti; leeliogs,• and he sat
down among the melon' holy applAuses of Al present.]
The Addr,ss was then carried nern. eon. •

Lord CAsTLEacAon inf,ved that i. siiould be pre-
seated by such Members o the House as were
Privy Counsellors. •
Mr. WylvNe thought it would- be more in
unison with the present ft eling that it should be
carried up by the whole House.
Lord CASTLEREAGH .wi,hdrew his motion, and
the Address was ordvred to be carried Up':by the
whole I-rouse, accotdirg to the sUggestiob of Mr.
Wynne.'
The Message was ordered to be referred to a Corn- -
mittee of the whole House to-morrow.
Sir R. WILLIAMS expressed his admiration of the
chhrsder of Mr. Pereeval, and stated that he was at,
school with him when a boy, and that no person
could be more respeEted and beloved by his master,
or more idolize Iby his equals. He proposed than
should be honoured with a.public funeral.

Lord CASTLEREAGH thought the wishes of his fa-
mily should be consulted betore they determined on
any step of the kind.
.After a few ,words from Mr. CANNING to the
same effect, the motion was npt persisted in.
&general corm-Nation arose upon the propriety
of adjourning the House for some time, anti it w .s at
length determined that it should be adjourned frOrn
day to day'.

The of her orders of the day were then postponed,
and the House adjourned-t.ll to-morrow.

CHdTHAIVI, Max 11.

THE FUNERAL PROCESsION OF HFNRY WHITBY, E-Q.

CAPTAIN OF HIS MAJESTY'S SHIP BRITON.
•
Tierboats assembled alongside the Briton at ele-
ven o'cl..ck ; when the ciock struck twelve, the
Biiton fired a gun, and the ProCsAsiun pulled off to
the Vicleahing: Office Stairs, the Otticeis in Fe‘
:niority, with pendants halt mast, u he:e the body
Was landed.
Marines' Band, playing the Dead March in Saul.
-One hundred and fifty Seamtm.
All the Marines from Head, Quarters.
The Somerset Regiment of Ntilitia.
Two Lieutenants of Marines.
'Lieutenants of the different Ships in Commission.
The Captains of the Marines and the,Army.
The Band of the Somerset, playing the Dead Marchin Saul,
Twelve Midshipmen .bciongiug to the Briton.
A Lieu enant of the Briton.
Cot tnissioner of the .Yard and Major-General of Marines.
• Two Physicians..
Two Clergymen.
Two Mutes. _ Two Mutes.

Six Post Captains,
in full

THE BODY.

Paul Bearers,
Uniforms.

The Mourners.
Twelve Captains of Ships in Commission, in full Uniform

All the Field Officers of the Garrison.

The whole ptoreeiled through Chatham and Ro:
chester to St. Minaret's Church, when the,troopS'
arrived at the Church gate, halted, and lined the:
street on each side, for the Procession to pass
through, With their arms reversed, Jesting their
beads. on the. butts of their muskets the bo
taketi into the Church, and after the service was
over the Procession moved forward to the grave,
and 'after the body was depciiited therein,. the Nia-
lines, fired three vollies over the grave, and the
whole returned in'r4verse order. The vvrito;e had a
very grand and solemn appearance all the shutters
ofthe shops were shut as the procession passed
through the town.----Captain WHITY was may '3o'
ye,,rs of age,

An Inquest vas held yesterday morning a Vl:a ten
o'clock,:at- a pehhc,house in Do i.g-street, West-
miniter, on the body of. thl P..!ght Kunoutable
Spencer Perceval. - The Jury ptcs:-ceded to Mr. Per.
cev;4l' ;)ouse to view the body, and then re(urned.
the, ',vitneso,:s ,:xonl;ned were

Lleutenanc.Gl.nerai Ga•c q4ne, .74-rlf.e!r for Li-
.verpoul ;„lostrvh Fiun-p..,, Esq. Meo.ber for Wey-
mouth ; Henri •Burgesi, Esq. 4ttorney, of Cur.
znn-.,reet ; orkt W. Lyin, Eiq. Surgeon ; who
state, the same Its which we chltaikd yk-stercily.

The Jury retwined a verdict of 117i/fiti Murder
agilinst Bellingham.
Tfin,nas Consiaptitie Bronle•bank, Private Secre-
tary to :11r..Perecval, vvag
abQund over io prosecute,
arid the-lut' getalernen whose names we !lave
mentioned, were. 13:11.incl over to gibe evidence on a
bill of ii c 1 to be preferred at the .ne.ht County
Sessions at Cierkenweli-:%tx:niki trial will of course
take place at the (Yd Bailey-, on Friday next.

CORN EXCHANGE, MAY 13c—We have not many
ftirt her arrivals of Wheat -to!!dar, nut the sul,plies on
hand folly equallto the demand, mostly second Mul
inferior qualities, which are heavy sale, haratv
last quoted. pr:ces ; Rye somewhat I.,wer ;
likewise ; Malt and White Pe.,sr, little variatic4;
Beans of each.sort rather dearer•;
of. Oats being prinCipally taken btf, this trace it
named fully at that 'day's 'quotatiou ; in Flour no
alteration.

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BEEN PRE:SE.NTBD TO T 1313 }MUSE OF COMMONS,

IN THIS SESSION 01' T, AGAINST THE

011DE1tS IN COUNCIL.

11ercurij, 2.9. dit-..Aprilis, 1812.
THOMAS BABINGTON, Esq.,in the-Chair.

'[Cortintied from our Paper of Yesterday.]

Do i)1 you ►snow tital for mans years. Ca,t, they
have employkd convicts in America in nianufaatur-
ing nails ?-4. do not know •that ; I think. I have
beard mention of convicts being cmployel in the
tirannt.Oorici of North America, but I never heard
in y. hat bianches they were employed : I haveheard
that many manu!aaurers'of England love emigrat-
ed to America within the last three or four years ;
they have emigrated as sailors, or have gone to
our North American . Colonies, from which they
havelound an easy passage to the United States of

Amcrica.
-What kind of machinery., is that you speak of,.
that they have erected in America, for the
maua-
faure of nails ?—A kind of stamp machinery, not
tiltoget her a pefeci machinery, :but a machinery Ca-
pable of being made perfect,' aria capable of super-
seding, as I baize been informed, all mechanical la.
hour, that is to say, that there shall be no more nails
made with hammers. .
Do not you know that that machinery was set tip
in Awer,ica so far back as, 1801 have heard of
attempts to set up that machinery, it was attempted
to be set up as far hack as 1801, but I never heard
that they bad brought it to any SUCCeSS till within
the last three or four years; I have always consider-
ed. that it was scarcely possible for the Americaps
to-erect any kind of machinery in years of open in-
' tercimr,e, cansa the perfetaion of machinery and
the division of labour is such in England it is,an.im-
mense check upon the ere ion of manufaetories in
America in years of open intercourse; but. ever
since the intercourse has been interrupted, .enccu-
ragement has been given to the erection of machi-
nery in the United States.
What check was there to that open intercourse
in the. year 1801 ?—I ready do not recollect.. •
What period of interruption has there been since,
in your judgment, to had to the employment of ca-
pital in that way Within. the last four or five
years, I think r recollect at least three public Acts
of the American Government, ,prohibiting. inter-
- course, or at least prohibiting the introduction :of
British manufacture into the United States of Ame-
rica.

Haye you heard of such Acts as the permanent
system- on • the part of America have never
heard that the Americans, had adopted any perma-
nent system brit I h,ve great reason to believe that
the Americas will be obliged to adopt a permanent
system with regard-to certain branches of •manu-
facture, inasmuch as when they have permitted-their
citizens to erect turnacei and to•erect manufactories,
it becomes a bounden duty to protect those manu-
facturers, and not 'to suffer their property to be
thrown away by the re-introduction of British ma-
nufactures:
Then you do not mean to state that it was the
actual interruptim of intercourse, but the specula-
tion of a permanent system to lakp place- hereafter,
that led to the erevtion of this machinery
certainly dd not altogether mean thin ; i did mean
that the interruptions that have taken place in the
intercourse b.-: vr een.the twocountries, did give great
encouragement and great hopes to the citizens of
the United States of America.
- How long in point of fact do you calculate that
that intercourse ceased ?—The total non-intercourse
11-,,s been only since the 2d of February 18 I I ; there
was once or twice a total non-intercourse before, but
it lasted only for a few months.
Do you think it was expected by the citizens of
America to last more than that time ?—Undoubtedly
it might be expected ; bur, whether it was expected
or not, the great price to' which the articles naturally
arostk, would be a strong premium to manufacturing
exertion in the United States.
.Do you mean-to say, then that the prices of •tliose
manufactures actually rose -=to a great extent in
America ?.--Certainly, in the United States of Ame-
rica. . . .

At what period ?—I rather think before the td
of Feb. t3ll-; but I have never heard since, that,
what prices British manufactured- articles bring w
'the United States of America. I concitder that the
manufactures of England, which have been sent to
'the United States of America, are now supplied by
the manufactures of the Continent to as great an
extent as they can be. Imight also states that the
manufacures of England, which have been sent to
our Northern Colonies, with a view to being intro-
duced into the North American States (which they
Were during the last non-intercourse) have fairtd,
and that Briti,h manufactured goods can -now •be
bought in Canada at less than prime cost.
Then you cannot state with certainty any time
at whiCh this increased price of British mann-
lac tiles in America took place ?—I cannot.
Nor what the advance in -price was ?—Certainly
not.
Are you sure o; the fact believe the fact ; I
know that in consequende of that fact very great ex-
ertions were betowed, in endeavouring to smuggle
British, goods into the United Sttktes of America, and
large 'sums of money were obtained by that smug-
gling ; how far the thigh .price of British goods in
Atoctica,Willl justify it now I do not know, but Ido
know that ,the difficulties if smuggling them into
America are sogreat; that scarcely any profit would
justify a prudent man in attempting It.
America also, you state, has been,supplied fro*
the Continent of Europe ; with what articles ? I,
.teally_cannot state with what articles; I presurbe
those thanufactures of the Low Countries and Ger-
many; -and in some measure, of France, which in
some re,pects resemble the manufactures of Great
Britain.

a.) you include the menufaaures of Birming-
ham ?—To clriain ement.
What manor:taw-es ?--Hardwares of every de-
scription, aho brass-foundry ; but upon these par-
ticulars I am Lot competent to answer very col--
rettly.

' Is the Cemmitlee to linler4snd that th-tse
arri-
cies have bee orteki cheaper from .the continent
of Europe tb y could from England ?—I Arnold
conc-ive consi ably c:eaper, though subjcet to
the war .insurance ; but certainly
.not such valu-
able cnanuta6tures, infinitel worse in workman-
ship.
What do you suppose the as the ten tion to
America to import then ?—NeiNessity.
Do you mesn to state then, that prior to Febtu-
ary 1811, there was an aaual scarcity in America
of British manufactures, long enough to ep:i6le them
to obtain a supply from the continent of Europe ?
—I have heard, and believe, that previous to Feb,
ruary 1811, though itnmense exertions were made
in England to supply thet markets of the United
States of America with hardwares and other articles
of British int:wartime, there was no probaoility of
the inatket in the United States of America being
overstocked; that the demand was greater than could
be supplied.
Was there not in the year 1809„duting the-. ex-
,istenee of Mr. Ertkine's atiangement in Aoterica,'
and before that arrangenieni, and the in ercoiorse
that followed upon it ceased, a- free intercourse be-,
tween this country and America for the exportation
of British goods )—I really do nOt-recollect that
particular : it may be proper for me to.remark, that
I never engaged, in the export of these goods to
America, further than sen:sing out steel there' to be
sold- by commission ; but I have never been in the
habit-of purchasing goods to be sent to America;
therefore there is reason to believe that I cannot re-
collect the minute particulars of that trade.
Then you cannot even recollect whether for a pe-
riod of several mOoths, in consequence of that at-,
ranyment, there wls a free export tram this coun-
try to America rather think there was an ex-
port immediately after that, as tat as my memory
series me; if there was not an export, there was a-
hope of one ; but I think there was an export.
What then in your opinion at that period raised-
-the price of British 'goods in -the American mar-
ket ?--Certainly nothing but the scarcity of 13 titiih
goods. •
[To be continued.]

bwgh, evciy requisite voucher of the General-.
Governor's letter,- and of the ill treatment he had
sutained.

Your Petitioner, on 'his arrival at St. 11-etersburgh, •
found it necessary, in behalf of his injined re:,ota-
lion, to impeach General Fiiister, the Military •
Governor of Archangel, to Count Kotzebue, the
Nlinisier ofJu,tice,,on three to wit :••••••
tat. For having sintAioned Mr. Solomon' Van
Brieneo in an improper oath, knowing it to be so. .
FOr haring written an untrue account of the
affair to Sir Stephen Shairpe, his Majesty's Consul,
for the pin ose'of preventing justice.
3d. For causing him to.be thrown into a loath-
some military .prison, for the purpose of extorting
front him a...sum of money, with a view to colour
the transaMion, and thereby pave the- way to a, jug-
tificalion of his own -cooduLl, and that of others..
'Count 'kotzebue had the matter investigated
through the Chief• Government Court at Archangel,
and finding e'ery allegation to be correct, he furnish-
ed your Petitioner with a document -to be carries
into the Senate,- together with 1114 complaint, and
vouchers, for the purpose of obtaining an indemni-
lioation for his sufferings, according to law.. ,
The affair afterwards went into the Senate
through Lord Gower, by vittue of an Imperial
Ukase.

That although your Petitioner's case was irre-
futable, yet the Senate, instead of answering to
your Petitioner's complaint, Or redressing his griev-
ance's, patronized the proceedings, and- in conse-
quence had your Petitioner arrested and imprisoned
on various erroneous al:egations, the erroneousness
of which their own Courts were afterwards obliged
to furnish official testimony; after having tortured
your Petitioner for a series of years, sometimes by
closely confining him in a •lodtbs.onle prisotyat
others condemned to a dungeon, to be kept on
bread and water, often marched publicly through
the City with gangs of .felons and criminals of the
wort description, and even then by the boose of
his Aijestit's rt•si,gent ; at bestihe iA as never suf-
fered to go out but like a person under serious cri-
minal arrest, and was the obje& of attention, not
only, of all the Foreign Ministers resident at the
Court, but of the public at large, to the, great dispa-
`ragement of his Majesty's Crown, and the heart-
rending humiliation of himself.
Through the whole.ccrarse of
.these proceedings
your Petitioner made innumerable- applications to
the'Consul and Ambassador for an appeal ,to -the
Emperor on such a national disgrace, and was not.
only uniformly rejeted, hut the ConSul went so far
as to assert the proceedings to be-right.-
Thu without having offended any law; either
civil or criminal, and withciut having initifc-dariy
individual, it 'this manner was your „Petitioner ban-.
oicd trout one prison. to another, through the various
Ministrations of Lord Granville Gower, Mr. Stuart,
the Mai quis of Douglas, and Lord Granville Levesob
Gower's second Embassy, and two years subsequent
thereto. . .

That during this period a dispute'happened be—
twixt a Capt.• Gardener, cif Hull, and the Captain
of the guard-ship, on a squabble of only two roubles
for pilotage, which trifling, affair was:carricd to the
'Emperor n.o less than four times by his Majesty's
Minister within the space 'of two months, while
your Petitioner's case was Eedulously supptessed, al-
though the honour of both COUGIriCS• was mateilally
concerned in the issue.

. •
That previous to
.Lord Gower qnitting St. Peters-.
burgh the last,time, your Petitioner waited upon his
Lordship, and also uon Sir Stephen Shairpe, urg
ing the nationality of the case, and, praying for 'an,
appeal to the Emperor, as both law and justice re-
quired, when your Petitioner was, for the last time,
positively denied; through Mr. Rick., his Lordship's
Secretary, who said' his Lordship could not do it.
Thus both the Consul and. Ambassador left St: Pe-
tersburgh, leaving your Petitioner the object of per-
secution, without any aid whatsoever. At length
the Senate, bring tired of its owp proceedings;your
Petitioner was furnished with a pass to quit Russia
in Odober, 180 D, „which ate Was a declared judg-
ment in your Petitioner's favour, and
_a proof that
the Senate must have revoked tts own Ukase.:

That on your Petitioner's return to England,
he made a representation of his case to the Marquis
Wellesley, furnishing ihe original Itrissian Ukases,
and other vouchers, confirming thp truth• of every
allegation bete stated, praying redress. .
That your Petititioner's case and documents were
investigated by his i Majesty's Most Honourable
Privy Council, and found to be pettedly correct.
That in consequence of the peculiar and over-
whelming hardships of the case, combined with
its nationality, your Petitioner Was inducecrto ap-
ply to the Lords of hiS Majesty's Treasury for re-
lief, which relief their Lordships were unable to
grant.
That your Petitioner, by-his long•continued series
of cruelty and oppression,• 'has not only had his
health and reputatiOn materially injured, with the
loss of his business, but his_ whole property has been
absorbed in supporting the eipencei,, -and making
good the consequences of the proceedings, leaving
him at present cocsideraniy.involved.
That your Petitioner pleciges himself th prose at
the Bar of your HonOurable House, th,-tats stated
to this his humble Petition; if he-shall be rerinitted
so to do. . •

•
Your Petitioner humbly conceives, that having
undergone suck a series of persecution, solely can
account of his having applied for. redress for thenjOry sustained by the letter of General Forster, the
Gtverner-General of I\rchabge4-' to •Sir 'Stephen
Shairpe, hereinbefore-stated., he preshmes it renders
the affair of national impo! t, ns such--and that the
Consaand AMbassador fraying negleaed pnd de-
clined-interfering is his beltalj with the Emperor,
Which your Petitioner is of opinion they ought .to
have done, your Petitioner- therefore humbly thinks,.
that in justice he is entitled to satisfailion for the
damage!he has. sustained from the Government of
this country. -1 •

Your Petitioner, therefore, most humbly prays
your Honourable House to take into its con-
sideration your Petitioner's case, -and record--
pence your Petitioner for the losses he has ac-
tually sustained, in conicquence of the circum-
stances hereinbefore stated, with a compensa-
tion for his personal suffering, as your Ho-
nourable House may judge right and proper.

And your Pqtitioner a iii Cvdr pray, &c. &c. 813
JOHN BELL:LNG:I4Ig.

Loi don, All. zB, 181 z

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(Copy--No. r.)
Whitehall, Feb. ES, lgif•
am direEted by Mr. Secretaiy Ryder, i°
acquaint oi:1,11)at your Petition to his Royal 1-ligiv
ness the Prince Regent, has been teferred,,by
command of his Royal!mess, for the, consider'i`
tion of the Lord; of hi-, 7,Lijesty's Most Ho-nonfat-0
Privy Coutscil.—l am, Sir,

Your most obedient bumble Servant,
J. Becn.gyr,

folin Bellingham, Esq.

(Copy --2.)

wbirehali, March g, 1811.
SSIR--I am dire6led b,y
Mr. Secretary ityder, '°
acquaint von, that your Petition to his
tress the Prince gegenr," praying that he 'would 0'
Pleased to order your Memorial; therein inclosed'
addresSed to the House orCotrunOns, to be brought,
before.Parlimment, has .been laid before his /UP
Highnessi and tliat he was not pleased to sisniff
any commands thereupon.
Your Memorial tb the House of Cornmoes '
accordingly herewith teturned:-1 am, Sir,
Your most obedient, humble Servant,
BECICETr.
John Bellingham, Eici: