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sirable to get rid of the clause. Still he thought the ad-
dition of a few words would would greatly amend it, espe-
cially some words providing, for the burial of paupers in
grounds te!onging to unions which were in villages, and
too small for the purpose. He trusted provision would be
made for any wish expressscd by the pauper as to the
place of his burial, eTccially if it were within the limits
of the anion. That was an important point, and might
greatly raieve the mind of many poor persons who were
reduced to the workhouse. He certainly should move a
proviso to cause pampers to be interred decently and in a
proper manner, and the expenses should he allowed by the
ruditors.

Lord J. RUSSELL thought the proviso wauld be
totally unnecessary, for if the funerals of paupers were
conducted in any indecent or improper manner, they broke
the law as it at present stood. There was a general wish
that all such funerals should be conducted both decently
and properly.
Mr. BRUGES said, as Chairman of a Poor-law union,
be was aware that many chs,enting paupers had a great oh-
jectisii to being bur:ei to the parish burying ground.
Would the Nob!e Lord hive any objection to strike out
the words the burials to such grounds ?
Mr. BE RNAL said there was an amendment before
that.

Caetain PECHEL L proposed to add words to enable
single parishes burying a pauper, not belongir g to them-
selves, to recover the expenses from the parish of the
pauper. 11 moved the insertion of the word " er."—
A laugh )
Mr. F. MAUL E said it was not very easy to see
what the efftet of the insertion of the word "or "
might be. He was afraid that it was intend. dto
obtain a recognition of the Gilbert Uni nit..—( A laugh.)
He felt bound tri oppose the amendment.
Sir C. GRE Y suggested that the Hon. and Gallant
Member might obtain his object by striki.ig out tho words
" under their control."

Mr. B E RNA L said the amendment could not be put;
it was too I. e.

Captain PEC HELL hoped the Noble Lord, the Se-
cretary fir the Colonies. would turn his t.tt o ton to the
subject, for suite partshes w& re put to an espeuse of 501.
a-.sear in ;he bu igl f paupers not their owe.
On the motion of Mr 13RUG ES, the words " in the
pas ith of" were st, uck out, to allow paupers to be bu ied
in chapel burial g, outich, if he expr,ssed a wish for it baote
his death.

GRIM SDITCH said he should divide the House
upon the clause.

In answer to a question from Alderman HUMPHERY,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said he proposed to fill up
the Wank f,r the fee for the burial of a pau}•er with the
words " five shillings."
Mr. PRYME m veil to extend secti ,ns 25 and 27 to
persona ri!cliaroed from or dying in any public hospital.
Sir E. KNATC HBULL thought the clause unn, ces_
sary, as those who died In hospital, would be removed for
burial bt tho,e who had receminvnded them to it.
Mr. PRYME said that it such an expectation were to
be generally entertained it would hate the (fleet of induc-
ing subset ibers to hospitals to withhold their recommenda-
tions.—(No, no.)
Alderman Id UM PH E RY said there was never any dif-
ficulty with respect to the burial of a pauper who die i in an
hospital.: If the body was not removed by friends it
was always buried at the expense of the ht,spit.d. He
th..refore racummended his Hun. Friend to withdraw the
amendment.

After some further discussion tie House divided—
For the clause
For the amendment

Majority against the nmendment 98
On clause 26 being proposed,
Lord, HOW ICK said the ca;ual poor were constantly
sent from one parish to another, and were furni,hed with
the ire ins of proceeding to their destination. lie was
perfectly persua.c:ed that relief would be ado inistered to
the casual poor on a more fair principle if the expense
LI( in common upon all the parishes of the union. He
hcped, therefore, that the clause would not he rejected.
Lord G. SOMERSET said that justice was involved
in the clause which they were then discussing. lie thought
that soma reasons ought to he stated to induce the House
to make alerations in the law, which would be of so ex-
tensive a nature as those that would result from the pass-
ing of that clause. Humanity was not in the slighest de-
gree into ested in the passing of that clause, but great in-
justice would be done by its enactment. He would, there-
fore, persist in h:s intention of mos.ing the rejection of the
whole clause.

Mr. HAWES thought the passing of the clause would
be titended with the most beneficial rcsulti, and therefore
hoped that it weld meet with the support of the House.

After a fes words from Colonel N9OOD,
Mr. HUMPH Eli Y said that the Irish labourers, at
certain seasons of the year, passed in large numbers
through tLe large towns situated on the principal high-
roads, and spent in those towns the money advanced to
them out of the union fund. Those towns were, there-
fore, benefi'ed thus in some degree, and it was fair they
should bear the burden of forwarding those paupers from
one place to another; but it was a hardship that parishes
some ten or twenty miles off, which happened to be in the
union, should contribute to the expense, from which they
detived no tenefit whatever.

The House then divided, and the numbers were—
Fur the clause
For the amendment
Alajot ity

On our readmis,ion we found the CorniFitiee in discus-
sion on the 27th clause, the object of wh,ch was that
notice of rem-v it of paupers might be sent by post.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL mov d the following
amendment to the clause—" unless the phriy to be affected
by such notice or otri: r document shill prove that the same
had not been dely rvuelved."
After some cJnvzrsatiou the amendment was added to
the clause.

Mr. TO WNLE Y PA RE ER ; ruqed that, the Solicitor-
Gelieral would divide the Cumin to e on tie cl use.
S,rangeri were ordert.d to Rithdraw. Cummittee
divided, when there appeared—
For the el,iu,e
Agai,,st it

Majority for the clause 6l
On clause 28 biltig put.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL proposed to strike it out.—
(Loud clmers).
C lorn.l WOOD said that he should, at some future
stage of the B,tl, propose the amendment of he had
given notice, as a distinct proviso.
The clause was then withdrawn.
Clause 29 was pospot.ed.

. .
On crust` 30 ticing put,
Mr. TATTON EGERTON said that as many unions
were situated in different counties, t e should recimmend
the clause being withdrawn, is order that might reeci‘e
further consideration.

Lord G. SOMERSET suggested that this chose
would place the high constables of counties in a situa-
tion of great dALutty. Ile hoped it would receive further
:n.

Mr. ("RIM SDITCH was of opinion that the law as it
stood at pies. rt did not need any alteration.
Lord J. RUSSELL thought the clause would effect a
great improvement in the manner of collecting the rates,
and was nut inclined to postpone it.

Mr. GOULBURN did not approve of imposing upon
the guardians the duty of collecting the rates.
Mr. E. BULLER thought the clause pointed out the
cheapest and the readiest way of collecting ha county
rate, and one that would effect a considerab:e saving. He
thought the guardians ougl:t to have the same power given
to them as the °vets( era now possessed to enforce payment
of the rates. He hoped the Noble Lord would persoveie
in the clause.

Lord G. SOMERSET complained of the anomalous
situation in which this clause would place ex officio
guardians,
guardians, who, in their capachies as Magistrates, might
be called on to isvuo warrants against themselves.
Colocel ROLL E STON said that the rate-pal ers would
have no security for the money they paid under this
change. He trusted, ti e:efore, the Ncib!e Lord would
amend it so es to give the required security to the pubic.
Mr. GISBORNE thought tile principle of the claus•
was good, hut there were one or two parts of it that might
be amended.

Lord J. RUSSELL thought it would he .better that
the board of guarMaiis should order th 2 collectota tA' the
rates rather than let them remain its they now stood.
Mr GUULBUR.N said that the clause had more re-
ference to the collection of county ratis lhan the relief of
the poor. He trusted, therefore, the Noble Lord would
raconsider tt:e clausa. .

Mr. HAWES thought L. would simplify th,,ir proceed-
ings on this 13111 if the Noble Lord would consent to post-
pol,e the clause.
Lord J. RUSSELL admitted it t) tie true that the
clau.ie was not necessary to the working of the pe,ent
Bill. If the CommiLtee thought it should be omitted
from the Bill, he should have no cbjec;iin to do so, but
as to introduciog it int, another Bill, that would be matter
for future cmisi.,elation.

E BULLER if the Noble Lord would with-
drqw the clau,e and uu. ertalte to iutruduce it in a,ottier
Bill, he should be g!ad.
Ater a tew woro3 trom Lord J. RUSSELL, the clause
was withdrawn.

The C El AIRMAN then reported progress, and obtained
leave to sit again pro forma on Monday.
Tne South Australia Bat went through Committee with.
out a:nenumeuts, and the Report was ordered to be received
on Monday.
The Ireland Boudieg Warehouse Bill went through
Committee, and the Report was re,eived.
The Wide Street Dub:iii Bill we t through Committee,
and tile Report was ordered to be received on Monday.
The D,uble Costs' Bill was read a third time and passed.
The Indemnity Bill was read a second time, and crdered
to be committed.
Mr. LA 130 UCHERE then moved for a Select Com-
mittee to inquire into the state of the law respecting
Joint-stock Companies (banking companies excepted),
with the view to the prevention of fraud.—Agreed to.
Tee other Orders of the Day were then disposed
of, and the House adjourned at a Qaar-er to 011 e.

SPA NISII liAlßASSY.—llespatches were re-
ceived on Tuesday la,t by his Exr elency General Alava,
by which we u,derstand the gallai.t tie: eral is recalled by
the Spanish Government. We can also state, upon un-
doubted authority, the same despatches accredit his Ex-
cellency M. Gonzalez, as Minister from Spain to the Court
of St. James's. His Excellency M. Gonzalez left Mi.
vart's Hotel on Monday night for Paris, en route to Ma-
drid, and of course was unacquainted with his appoint-
ment. A courier was despatched by General Alava on
Tuesday afternoon to Paris, in order to apprise M. Gun.
ziliz of the instructions he had received from the Spaniidi
Ministry, and to urge his immediate return. As M. Gon-
zalez intended to stay 24 hours in the French capital, it is
probable the courier would be able to reach Paris before
his departure for Spain. General Alava will leave this
country with regret to a numerous circle of private friends,
particularly the Duke of Wellington, with whom his Ex-
cellency has maintained a cordial friendship of neatly half
a century.
Mr. George Hope is prevented attending his
Parliamentary duties for the present, by an accident he
met with on Wednesday last.