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NEW' POST-OFFICE.

The report of the Resolutions qt' the Committee
having been brought tip, Sir J. .SHAIN , 'obtained
leave to bring in a bill founded on the
GUENFZLI. .observed, that from particular
inquiry he was satisfied that the necessary en-
lar.ty,:ment and improvement of the pres'en!. esta-
blishaWnt .would cost as touch as the new buildittg
projected, in fit. Martin's-le-Crand, viz. 800,001)1.

FIi,F,S OF. COURTS OF JUSTICE IN .11tELAND.
Sir .lunN NEwpoRT, after several observAtions,
moved fiir leave to bring in a Bill enip-utvering'ibe
commissioners appoinetd, iii cumplianci it ith thc

of Siiai tiOnse, I;i*ifpiite into the kis Of
Courts of, Justice in lo'eland, to compel the klt ten-
dauce of necessary tvidnes•
Mr. B. BATtlutist (;posed tl;t: motion as tin-
necess:.:rv. .No such iiut was given ',to
to:Lmission anpointed,in 1732.
4r. W. Siktyrn thought the obi.ect of the tio-
tion'one of absolute comarou sense, and ',.vithout
which it was htkite tkvious the eniitiiry Must be
wholly ineffectual.
Mr. SIMEots; vindicated the characters of Mas-
ters in Chancery; and eXposed the improbability
of their being influenced by smelt petty cortiiption
as that cishich the enquiry necessarily supposed.
Mr. IlotisEtt did not think_tlte panegyric pro-
nounced upon • the Masters of Chancery by the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman any ans\ver to the
observation of his lion. Friend. y He thought it
very extraordinary that ary objection should be
matte to give the power now required to the Cotn-
missioners, to summon witnesses to give evidence
on oath •; because that, without such a power, the
appointment of Commissioners appeared to him .
to be nugatory : and if the Right lion. Gentle-
man should succeed in resisting tlkis motion, Ice..
had no' doubt but that all future endeavoyrs to
check the abuses complained of would prove
fruitless.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said, • he must resist
the present motion. The Commissioners were
Gentlemen of most approved !.,,pod character;- and
if they slimed the smallelt dereliction of their
duty they would forfeit that high distinction
%which their previous conduct had obtained. 'roe

power required to be given vas ttnnecess try, and
it was a settled principle in politics ;kit Oic
gi3Onture should never exert its poNvers Untieces-
sarilv.

Mr. Abercrombie supported the moision, as did
also Mr. Ponsoriby.
Air. STEPHEN would vote in favour of the pre-
sent motion..

Lord MILTON followed on the same side.

The CHANCELL,Ott of the ExcHEQUER S4ld, that
the question was, as to granting powers to a coin-
mission which were, not .generally granted; even
under the Great Seal._ •

Atter a few words from Mc. li. SumNcn, the
Hogse divided—
Noes BS—Ayes 76—Majority 12.
ITAINSFER. OF GENOA.

Mr. L.\METON said, he rose to move for certain
Papers relative to the late nal:sac:ions at Crvitoa.
He did not intend to apoLogi,e fo.lbriaging tor-
ward a subject whiq had attracted the
attention of the House. ITl,cti the good faith,
the justice, and honour of the conntry stood im-•
peached, and the accusations agaili,t Ministers S 9
prominent and strong, %vele met vial t,leitomity;
or pleas of ignorance, all who -(!id• not
partake of ,the blame which attached to them,
had a sufficient excuse tor. perseverance. lie.
NVlShed to know bow would shelter
theaisclves under tho:v serious acVasatious ?
Were not the acts of the Secretary for Foreign
Affairs the acts of the whole Gover.nnient
it for the Noble Lord alf-ne ti) &settle
ciu the most important affait ;, without their
advice or authority ? • Their silence on this
subject would not ranch lone,er avail them ;
for be trusted the impin taut day wOuld shortly
come xvlien the most disgraceful acts of Minit;ters.
would be exposed, and no longer he shielded by
darkne,s-----(1-1ear, hear !). If in private life, any
charge was made against an individu,l, of the
most opprolpious nature; it lie was accused of
being eng,;ged in the most infamous transactions—
et-hoes involving his himour,integrity,and all that
eau huplicate his charaeNr ; and if, instead of ao-
swering such charges, he were perpetually to
evade the `attack,-and say, the' time is not Vet
come for mime to defend royelf,' what would be the
feelings cif every hono,.rable mind ? would he not
be deservedly treat::d with.the ittnri.t scorn anti
contempt ? Similar to such conduct is that of the
Ministers. Charges are alleged against thein of
the most disgraceful and dishonourable nature
—traitsactioos which are not Merely in eoatem-
platiOn, 'hat which have acttm!ly been arr,m-
&kited, but against which they refuse to defend
themselves. Had t,tot the .people of Genoa, while
rely ing on the ;;nod filial of Great Britain for pro-
tection, been transferred over to all inibeeile and
petty Sovereign, like so many droves of earth! .1----
/Vitd what talismanic Word was that WhiCh MIS
brought forward to excuse such a flagrant and in-'
famous transaction ? It was urged that the altera-
tion would be found necessary to reg;olate the ba-
lance Of power. But the true 'balance of power
was only to be found ill.the, steady affections of
the people to their Government : such were the'
only means of restoring the power in question.—
Genoa, however, had,seen her liberty annihilated;
and to no spoliation had England eyer been a party
so detestable and infamous as that of this territory,
111 April, 1814, these people were told in the too,t
pointed terms, by a Britiih ()Ulcer, that theil.

~'NSt

security was in resistance to foreign oppreßsion,
and that by such resistance .their lihertievvouid
be restored with more • resplendency than CNer.
Lord \V. Bentiuck, in the .same Pcocianiatioo,
;Italica an appeal to their nationo feelings,. and
bids them come finward and assert the rights of
a free people: Was there a mind so apathetic P.s
not to exult in the
.blessed work of restoring to
their rights and independence a brave 'and op-
pressed,people. But in eight months after Wards,
when'these pcoftle had been thus' tantalised iind
doluded, a mandate arrives • from -thas. de;,rad.ed
and deteStable Congress .of. Vienna, annulling at
-once the designs in their favour, al
.irl consigning
•the whole country 'at once over to the most weak-
and imbecile 6overniiient in existence.: Where
was Losd Bentinck at this time
was very properly absent from this scene' of atvo,-
cty ; for if lie had been present, Lamb-
ton) eras COVlVilleed that he never Would have snl-
le'red his -name to be coupled with so infamous a
transaction. But a Britis)i Gein'ral, Dalrymple,
informed the people of Genoa that they were 47
livered up to Sardinia, .and that lead it -in corn-
Mainl from the Prince Regent of England' to in-
form thew of what had taken place in their re-
gard. Now he would ask, who is rez,poilsib:e for
this communication ? If the Prince Regent is 11.0 t
responsible, the House must conic to. his Mini-
sters: if, they do -not -avow the' advice they have
given, then Gencral Dalrymple. is answerable for
theprocteding :- it they du airOW it, let thelll

ft i-WArd rind ..rfti:!, Wet' th.rie Conintet. t s
1.3 ;veered, in the eves elf the nation, of ;.:•••1:1t; l":"1
st'ttited the good faith and iromme ;if s"-`a,1,11;
ti ey pretend to believe fle4t. they stall 1 inainittety
He %vat confident that there was. nut a moo in the
.o
„(ootty who would not deeply regret that the lut-,
theft° untullied .character of this country
he so disgraced and tarni;hed—a country which
had so lately staimoned the nations of the Co"-
tinelit to resist oppression, and whose er;1.'3,1
ertions had, under Providence, been sn-eteineuttY
successful. Tbatalria odious transaction might he
11 thoroughly investigated; be shauld move that ail
humble Address be presented to the Prince 14r,
gent,. praying that he wonid lrc graciott'slyple,-Isc:,'
• to order to he laid before the [loose, -copies (au- and
the papers relative to proceed': n,es of tire British
verninent with regard to Geaoa. (These wer'-'
parately moved for; they were copies of the PIO7
clamationS of Lord V. I?e,}nt nick and Gen. 1.)41r,"1";
plei of the instructions given to his bordsinp
as the grounds for his &induct, altd of th-c-l°'
structions to the Italian prisoners of :vat-, at th'r
time of their liberatibti.) On this last topic, t.he
Hon. Gentleman observed, that his object ill
moving for copies of such instructions was '4,
shew, that this Government not •only guarantee".
the independence of Genoa against the _Pectic'',
but also against any other rower whatever.
On the questidn being putt, a loud `,'as
made for the Chaneeror of the Excheoner, fron
several voices on the Opposition side. The Itighc
Hon. (entleman, however; did not rise.
Colonel Wool) that being nearly connect-
ed with the Noble Lord yeliose conduct has h,'o`
so severely animadverted upon, perhaps the Ht),:l4
wollid permit him to asks their indulgence t."'
in.ikiug 'a few observations. He would vent,'"'
to suggest to the Honourable Member who ha ti
made the (notion, that on mature consideration,'
he see the unfairness, anti ere;) the in;
ust ice of prematurely discussing a subject:lH',
so serious a nature in the .absence of ah inth-
vidual who could not possibly be here to all'
swer for himself. But the whole event rant'(
shortly come under discussion ; and he would an':"
ticipate, that when his Noble Friend returned, 14'1
would meet the charges, and repel, them will)
. nitwit credit to himself, as *he had acquired by all,
the numerous and important transactions in which-
he had been ettgaged. It had always been hi.'
practicelo Meet his accusers face to face', and tt,,y"
foruily to answer thein, without subterfuge er,
evasion ; and he was sure his Noble Friend nnaL,,
_not depart front his invariable line of condoct•-"
Bht in the mean time he would put it to the
Gentleman to confider, whether -this ['nestle°
ought to he deemed' erne of an is4lated or singl4
atu hre, or whether the metrsure was uncortneoetl .
with the other groat events whkh•had cinga',ted El'`'
attet:tion of ti,e Congrc..s.s. Not withatinentig,
ep?thets which had been heaped opoo this grey-it s°,
sembly,- when it eras considered whit they had
do, ITT! thought t half he Hoese and the countri',Oil!
exyCet to:lltitlch h-0111 it 1. '(l,,,:tid and
nual shouts of Hear,-heir, hear !•froun the OPI9;
sition side.) The • ohjett cif the ,Cnng,ress
the pacification of the world ; and- though
.ft
`1;
must be admitted to .be beyond the ren-cu 01 ;1,,
human agency whatever, every man must be fry.,
aware that the jarring and cOntendiog
which clash at the Congi!ess, have emeated
finite difficlulty in the tharelt of their operation6i
13ut their object is to give it respite to' ;he "n'°'l,`,
from the scenes of blood and hat: or wilt
it haul so longheen ant meted : *this he was firti",c
convinced •would be accompished .bitt
ought tint to he expected than could he perfoonl'e
by ear, hear !) He was sure t
Lard would not shrink from the responsibilliY
tached to. Conilute.t, hoWere' r great it
he ; but all his acts ought to be considered :IS
of tie Government :, vet: a certain hit,4
rude of diseretiOn must have been entr"'ttcei
to him: howe.vcr, •no hesititiolll
acknowiedgiug, that die Noble Lord Iran
had,
0) be one of "t
ac',.)%l•li-iderteestitiol.iiiii(iibility. He was in the hot's'
the Noble Lord's father- in Ireland, when a ll'''.
•
was received from him, which stated that
,„
friends woold be surprised to hear that lie Ilittet V".
appointed to meet the Congress, and that be “i,e
on the point of sailing for the Con:inent
was fully aware of the awle! responsibility of
,0t
task imposed dn. but that he shrink!
'shrink (ruin his duty. lie (Colonel W00d),.:,,,r,
juiced as much as the Honourable Member,'
the day \void(' soon arrive when he would be V„t
to detcnd hirriseif, and he' did sincetelv Intpe
believe that the whole of-his conduct, whe'la•
came
to be examined, would prove to have ,l' ,c
tot
directed as much for the interests of the cot.°lt-
as it would bti satisfactory to that country.llll,' Ise
tl
the House: He•had only to trust that the ~r
would he of °pillion, that it was »ot right 1‘)
ahstractedly jolt) this to't.itary question, kintlit
thinking, he would ihove„is amendmenty
the wise- StIOLIICi 110 w proceed to the otlier
of the Day.
The CHANeEt,Lott of the ExcnEklugg
!..
am,n;st the loutl,!,t excknations from the 01-IP.iiitt
tion benches. He said he (silly agreed with off
Hot).- Cientleman who moved.tl; '
q tes
91,010 4Y w:0 tn'!cessary for the vein: able. an' toed
noura'ble, and manly manner in which he had
.forward as the cinimpioo of what he suppo4 rite
he the sullied tonic and- injured hotuntr'atenit•
cothiury. , however, 'which he. (the
Hon. Othitletnan) most contend for•was, ti%ti
~lit of
is not the proper time to. come to a disclts6ll,,,li-
the subject. lie was sure it was the wish 'OOl4.
(list ors Co have an opportunity' exenli-onclt
themselve; from such serious charges, ns ittat
zus it could he that of the Honourable. Ge",t
that they should do so. But it would be I`!,ocifd
sible to enter upon such a discussion without intt
'in a' variety of particulars which' 0"r"Itt.
to be'discloscd': One circunistaneee gcc'
qn;reti some- notice. 'Notwithstanding ,1;e 'rile,
,„
pensions of the Honourable.Mentber, =ibi t`teaol'
gationS, that the national honour had bee':
promised, the national character stained; lr P
public toast( veolated, he .woiuld ta po
ke eu sbot`r
positivtly to deny. 'He would be able e Ofi
.
•
Aviuen the time arrived, diet nothing \\dna-
ev .
ot.Cutred to degrade the high character al' l,rih
,pity of this country. He could have.,V,,,d•
however, that ;es Hon. Ft lend (C. 019.1161 v/0/4
Lc; not tnov:E.l toe awcatitheut lot paVit'g

•

or the Day,
been' seltethattf.;l‘,t jt anode
I respectful to meet the :notion of
't-t.e o Gentlema opposite: Ile woold, timi!re-
°re 'beg of him to ivitioiraw it, in order, that he
• Right Hon. Gentleman) might move thepre,
oohs, question.
Col. Woos accordingly withdrew his, motion ;
.141'1 the CHANCELL.pa ()f the ExCHEQUEIt
th(!. , • umored
ptevious• question.
Bir JNMES NLACKINTosn said, he would give his
,tearty support to the•motion of his Hon. Friead
vvir• Lainbtoo)-ewho hat Fin his eloquent speech a
'''econd time suably redeemed his.hereditary repo-
.tati°n: If lie ever had any doubt whether there
ever was a -case which so loudly called for the leri),..sition of Parliament to rescue the national
fromthe foulest aspersions, he was con-
of it completely, by time manner in which
ono:stem.; had resisted time motion. Tl,..mey
timat• they were wore anxious for being
to ilial. than their accusers were; yet
11{' rauxionsly to. .protract the fatal day,
;1 ou this preliminary question for delay,
4House must meet them.. The charge; agaiust
11isters was not that they have done one
;443olitie act, but that all timeir. actso
41,;,15,t sink into insigniftcanee, when compared
that which relates to the polluted honour of
'rim
t; country. This. charge was the most serious
I,'2er ever was made against any Ministers of this
~„")gd°ll) ; it was nut puSSillie to irtelgineany one
tatecl
grave, except it was for an act that mill-
againSt the liberties of tile country.. The
:r""ge consists iu their having been. guilt:ir of a.
°S3 act of injustice, traosfermimmg a country
tZr whose security' they had given a pledge ; anti
i.„737 had made Eemielmool a principal actor m coe
ittiog the 'perfidious transaction. Atol he
7ved,B-" be-
from the hottom of.his heart, and in the
eritli of his sold, that nothiog equal to it had
13felirreil since t he hife.loot:3 partition and plander of
rimed hail given an example which had been imile-
Ited by the French revohaionists, whose atrocities
t,
tt room n
yto ave cha tiged theirseatovaliout chatl4-
4g their nature. Time qaestion of their perfidy
t`al-ands Genoa would not adioit of any defence,.
still Ministers must either. deny that their faith
114.:e" as ever Dredged, or they masth deny that it ad
k "johaed. Hon.. [:most
s inquire into and
I'l9W their motives for this violation of faith, and
e2,l'n whether any circumstances can Jestify such
zi
wbreleh of time comdion principles of justice. He
~,l 11d challenge thew to prod a ttee single example
p''eitt such interference on the part of any
`aver to destroy the liberties of another' 6ad
totifi t .
Li • olm isters;:ere involved itt a dilemma,
I°lll which it was impossible they, could escape,-
rear they find au excuse in private papers for a
ei.` of pnblie faith or did, they Mean to
-t.f.,p4en'l there was something of more importance
Public ts•l'th ) He 00-hell to know on which
-1.1;),(111.'t they n'tela.ni to their stand—one of
ait►they notst take, tar tiWre CXiSted 114) third
be enZ;ative ; and than the first, nothing e.omiol
salyul; :re absurd; than the secood, nothing
.initre
for Airl'ible. No good reasoo could
.be assjgned
on ti;iS sob-
et, Ing the papers palled. for
•11"Ahlic ineouvenience could aIISC from
objeet'eT'ittion. if any particular paper were
'Was • t('' let the motion be, orrected ; all that
eiloire ,
that• -.. • • slo::uld be
b f eet tato-pay lb
G. (Ire the House, explanatory of the cession
th,a„L"a ; to shew .what fouodation that
.le-ge tire European 'system loot taken place.
,tv I was not sorry to.observe the nutnntr in which
bela,t -lie had offered on -this subject was received
d
ej7 tile Gen-ti:men opposite. Irom their looks it
cv.°l,ciillld secret' they anticipated a triumph. He
such might he the event.; but, once for
1
:r
144)t it as Lis opinion, that they had it.
44 in --tn.cir
.Power satisfactorily to answer
lo
I;l,liats had this 'night been urged. He had now
posed the.. oleo urge
11'"8t 1 to delay proceeding
t 'To trial Min hio
isters l /adMitted they
1, go on [lrk subject, and this •he could
13rheum had beeit anticioattol by the greater part
.1 F:mrope. The national houour and due regard
1.9 r pabi:te jzstice required that an immediate hi-
_ es
`stow should take place. He preferred a
~alistaieike_cimaitre against Ministers for the ees-
Itel", "1-t onoa. In supoort of this he wool?, read
1; toe ese a passage from. the works of aimblie
pi,riter of peat- au:Le;rity, on the law sit nations,
eh hppiied to-the case of Genoa Os closely as
1,1- it had been written with a foresight of. time ar-
t-"lge'lielft now under consideramion. The Flo-
171frihie. and Gentleman then read from
att,te.l -a pasta ge against `.‘ taking for either of
eiLe ,me. -a
may-have been engaged in a
ti,ar, t time territories eoneuered from the enemy,
- mien 11 third party may have been unjustly
iibrtived. The people; thus. despoiled of their
wouhi never de3.pair of recover' n},; it.
.11,:tory orii.,i,ht to be used not to change their
but to break. their chains." The people
(3ermoa -had been vietiins to the common
of 141
1 Y, 1/01" offenders against -the other Powers
/meC'rope. 1h m
e treatment n
t they. had experieced, quld say, was unjust and immoral, and an
Br f the. rights of conquest,
which ought to
tiniversaily condemned. Had Portugal not
light .for herrights, as she had done, he
would she toohave been disposed of .
1, time
adule highest. bidder ? Would this :principle have
ah,pied with respect to Sicily ,and Holland,
the
It.:me
Powers Mild) form the Confederation of
10\t,
,"joe IVould it be said the reat Allied
rs did no g
not consider Pri=mes of Germany
()f right to their territories ? Were they
stto learn that theyl were held by the preca-;
11' enure of the generosity of their neighbours .
"sidle,,tl,le etnisideratioits of generosity and po-.
time (-iv 9'elt; Otigk to have loterposed favour' of
,°oese, they had pledges in -the. former con-
Lthe'Allies that their Republic would be
r"s'eruull('ete(l ln September 1805, the Austrian
Go
the. 'et hd, published a •Note complainhig of.
„live ,49e1:ation Getioa to France, as a substan-
lintme-,''use'°f war ; and on the 16:h of June in time
f':e4r, the Russian Minister, M. Novolitzow,
been sent by leis roaster to mediate be-
t
eat Bri
4' tarn : and France, had, protested
114. tilt s atrastoe in time. strongest muOner.—
1)014) %vista,' it to be observed, was after Nit-
Aft h
t 'vl m
obtained the Imperial dignity.—
eatcl;l it ae sobjugated So'itzelland, by colter-
tt:l,A-lediator : after he had annexed Loin-,
qty.
1-•lhutee, to pave his waY to the Crown of
-1411.1 been -preceded by the deaths of

- • • it
sir
(I.re4nehien, a notreee „and Toussaint, and rwitly
others. it was, zi:ifet, ad these things vet-tt
that the itusi.;iiin A 1 istler had attempted to
ate between the two countries; whe'l.t the
course noraued with respect to Gek'eeo was -made,
politic, he lahrined the French Gavernineot that
his Master had, in his preVioos condat, eiovkol
how desirous he was of restoring peace iU Eu-
rope ; but this last act was so subversive of every
principle of justice, that it was imorissiftle‘ to dt.-
tinue his mediation any longer. This Conduct on
the part "of the Emperor of Russia. had not been
adopted at the suggestion of -Englaod ; but it
was the spontaneous movetneat of his own
breast. After this, could the Genoese have bean
prepared for such
.an arrangeinent as had now
beet, me de. The preamble-to the (Frew vof Chau-
mont described the object of the Allies to -be,
Pehce which would secure the rights and
of all the Continental StateS. It was not' their
avowed object to secure the independance of the
generality of them ; but that of all was guaran-
teed by the`asseuthied Majesties of Europe. Where
were the Ambassadors who had concluded that
Treaty How had they looked tt the observance
of it, when an infraction of it had already taken
place with respect to Genoa Otluor pledges had
been given besides those to which he had before
referred, that the Republic of Genoa should he te•
speetede England. in 1802, had refused to recog•-
nise the Ligurian Repablic, and had reapiired
she resume her ancient name and Woe') of
Government. The arrival of Lord W. Bentinek,
in their vicinity, towards the close of the late war,
they had hailed 'with much satisfaction, and had
then 4greed .tn that which Eagland tequired of
them in 180-2. ',No compact cot-1.1 he More de-
liherately made, alit! the pledge given that the iu-
dependeoce of the States of Europe should be se-
cored, applied inn peculiar the Repub-
lic of Genoa. Lord Bentinck was a
ohin who understood the force' of language, and
alter the Proclamation he had issued, could it
have hevi expected that Genoa was to be Outlawed ?
Yet after his Proelarhatiou came that of General -
Dalrymple, and this was followed by that of the
King of Sardinia, 'who tells the Genoese he comes
to take possession of their country—not in coin-
pliatice with their ardent laws--,-not in Conse-
quence of the wi'shes of the people—not by right
of conquest, but " in conformity With the wishes
of the prhedpal Sol'ereigns of Europe." In other
words lie came in conformity with that spirit
which had directed tire partition of Poland.—
A case like this being established, he could
see no advantaee be derived front delay.
If the sittiags of the Congress were . closed,
it Might not he of great importance whether
Ministers were .convicted of that laid to their
charge a, few months sooner or later ; but
charged in the face of all Europe with an act of
the most flagrant injustice and faithlessness (lie
spoke adyistatly) that had ever occurred he the ci-
viti.:_ed worhi, he thought it the duty of the Com-
mons of England to interfere, and he called upon
!he House to expreSs their sense of it, with a
voice that, must be .beard, and which might pos-
sibly vet Ivithdr,w the assent of Ministers Iron, it.
He had been absent front the country dining' the
sitrines of the lie se, and his pride had been flat-
tered by the admiration felt for
,this country as
the guardian of lihei'ty. However the minority
in that lionse might be despised by the Right
Hon. Gentleman, with his majorities, all Europe
er,eou it b.!' its exertions. He then recapi-
tulated the principal arguments which he had
urged in the course of Iris speech, and concluded
strongly insisting on the propriety -and necessity
of an immediate inquiry into the merits of the case.
Mr. ‘V. POLE said, that if any doubt bad ex-
isted with respect to the real object of the mo-
tion then before the House, that doubt would
have been removed by the speech of the' Learned'
Gentkonan who had just sat down, The House.
must now be convinced that the motion was
brought forward at the present tune, and under
the present circumstances, merely as a vehicle
,of
attack and condemnation, not only of his Ma-
jesty's Y., livers, bait of our Allies and of the
whole Congress. The House was called upon t.o
assent to a motion brought tin Ward foe such a
purpose, without a tittle of evideac.e, .without a
single document to support the charge, which
rested solely upon the conjectures of the Learned
Gentleman with respect to what had passed, was
passing, and Might hereafter pass at the Con-,
tress. It was impossible, in his opiuipe, to have
heard the last half hour of the Learned
mite's speech, without seeing that. it Wept entirely
upon general principles • that it contained disser-
tations upon the law of nations, and comments
upon the consequen-ces of the proceedings of, the
Congress (upon. which he tursparingly bestowed
every species of opprobrious epithet).; atm th:s
the Learned Gentleman seemed to think quite
-Sufficient to induce the House, without further
evidence, to pronounce his. Majesty's 'Ministers
guilty. The Learned. Gent. hail accused Ministers
of a great and heinous offence; so heinous, indeed,
that he had declared he could not- conceive a
,treater, unless that of a conspiracy against -the
liberties of this countryeand bad, throughout the
whole of his speech, assumed all the facts upon
which his argument was founded as proved ; but
-the Learned Gentleman should recollect, that the
Hon. Member who brought, forward this motion
(certainly with pretty strong language, but not
more than Might be expected from young mud ar-
dent minds) declared, that lie wanted certain do-. •
currents to enable him to prove to the House the
charges he had preferred.; and the Learned Gen-
tleman shoidd also reine'mber, that his Right-Hon.
_Friend (Mc. Vansittatt) in reply, did, in the most
, distinct and unequivocal terms, deny the truth- of
rice charges, and added, that when all the docu-
nientscould with propriety be laid upon the table,
the House-and , the Country would be convinced
how groundle:n these accusations were. This
was all that his Majesty's Ministers could do,
consistently with their duty to their .country or
to themselves,,-when called upon to give partial,
unconnected, and imperfect jilt-ovulation upon
the important subjects now under discussion at
Vienna. Ile assured the House that Ministers
were ais aoxious, quite as -anxious, as the. Gentle-
area on 'the other side could be, for a_ full discus-
sion upoo this subject, and they stood pledged to
the•Hou,e, that iv lieu the hour arrived rut which
disclosure could be made -without clanger,,eVery

dOcumenf shpuld be producol, and then't he Ilonse
": and the country would see,..that iii ti) tohtaoce
had' the national hotiour bee); 'roMproniised, or
thy nntional-rairb violatted. 'This ,tv ft t!te-ground
noon vvhich he rested ; .aod...vere ,I.Linisters to •he
told,- that beeaur-e they oppos.cd the. production
of•
pilpers ino.,•e-i ;or by a, !ndpaide I'.ll lk.amentary
mancenvre, (he did not mean any thing insidious
by that expresSion,' because it irrt,i al,tays been
considered fair for parties VI that--House so to as-
sail their opponents ;) hut were ,Ministers, he
repeated, to be told, that because they resisted
the production of 'partial and iinotnfect -inforMa-
t ion culled for by • a „Parliamentary "manceuvrc,
that therefore they were to be considered by the
peruse, and the Country, as guilty ofaAereliction
of their duty ?:fle was sure the House and the'
Conntry would riot s-o Had the Gentle-
men, on the other Side a right.to saY, -`` Because
you wi]i not, to suit -our 'couvenience, produce
these oaperS, now, you are therefore •,guilty., and
ehrieli front • itivestigatioo ? This (laid ;tit . Pole)
is riot jest, Mild I dill sure that the Coontry
will feel that it is not."—(Loml cheers.) Mi-
nistersslid 14 desire the protection of that ilouSe,
they demanded it, justice ; and by the justice of..
their case they were content to stand Orfail.
did not mean to foliwy the Learned Gentleman
through the course of his argument ; but he
might- lie permitted' to notice, what must have
been observed by every GentlemaA to the llouse,
namely," that the Lea rued Gentleman, through-
out his Whole speech, begged the, question, aud
having assumed his facts at pleasure, he drew
his inferences without much difficulty. lie had
produced a proclato, ion issued by a
Ge-
neral upon euterii a towN which he had -taken
at the point of the Impact, and-this he bad con-
sidered as conveyinva solemn pledge on the part fI
of the Governmetiti of this. Country ; but he
wooll not enter into details at present, the treat-
ment which --Ministers had experienced was' not
fair ; he was sure the Learned Gentleman would
not think it fair if applied to himself---Ite would
complain, and with reason,.it;without an into:ivy,
if without a single document, he was to be pro-
nounced guilty. If the' Ministers had expressed a
wish to prevent all investigation—if they 11l
intimated a desire to suppress any informa-
tion, then; indeed, their conduct would have'
been justly open to censure, but he I:liits
sure that there was no impartial snan in the
House ors in the County, who Ciitlitiered the pre-
sent state of the Cooress; and the expectation or
the immediate return of Lord (iastlerea4b, but
Must feel that it was quite impossible for Govern-
ment at this moment, to COlMllliniCate eVer cry in—
formation which would he necessary to a fair and
impartial deci3iol) tipon this-subject. The delay
asked was but for a few: days ; amid surely, for a
few days, the Gentleineu oii vie other side might
exercise a little of that quality of which they
acted so much daily Iron) liliuisters, lie werint
patience; it they would follow so good au ex-
ample, .for the short time required, he and his
colleagues would 'pledge themselves that they
would not only produce every information re-
specting Genoa, but respecting Saxotip and Po-
land, and, in a word, give satisfactoisY answers
to these innutherable qnestions, which had been
asked with so notch good humour
_and so much,
good taste, ahl ust dady,.froni the commencement
of the, ession to the present boor. With re-
spect to his Noble k'riend; to whom site) fre-
quent allusions hot! been made:, hes beizged to re-
peat a sentiment which'Gentlemen had, on:a for.:-
mer oeiNtsion attempted to ridicule, but which
they now seemed anxious to enforce, Th:.;t
all his Majesty's Ministers were eqinally hound
and eqnally accountable for the conduct of atn.'f One.
That' his Noble Friend. stood pre-ennuent front
the arduou3 task which be had to perform, and
from the borthens impo.)ed upon bun, every one
would admit ; but the Ministers would not de;
,serve for one momeot to retikin their situations, if
they attempted to shift upon one another the re-;
sponsihilitv of the acts for which they '."ere all
responsible; and therefore lie had no iivsitation 111
declarlOg„ as every measure of' tile I.N;oltie
•Lortlitiolltd the sanction of his Colleagues; so
they all stood equally ann,werable for every fast
of the•transaCtion ; and his loble k't,end v.oudd,
his return, he equally tioxionS with hiS Colleagnes
to meet the fullest investigation,and
tit abide by the sense of Parlia nent. There was only
one point more to' which, before he sat dowo,'
wished to advei-r, assertion of the Learned
Genkleman's, that Ministers admitted that their
conduct called for inquiry. 'l'o that assertion he
gave ttn unequivocal denial. The Hon:Gentletnan
made a vrey serious charge against Ali;inters,
concha lit -%•ery strong (toms. Under these cir-
Clitnstances, and not from any doubt of the reetitu::e
of. their own conduct, it was that 'they felt air
it quirt'' necesSsary ; and when it did lake phase,
Aiinisters, IN hail oo,doubt, would stand fah), ac-
Tinted, not in the minds 'of Qie•Gentlemeh op-
posite, thin'he.was.hot Sanguine enough to hope,
•but in the justice of the Hbuse, and in Melt:clings
of the Country.

•
Mr. WHITMIGAD could not yield to the request
of the Hon. Colonel, to postpone this discussion
inthe absence of the Noble Lord', and telt it his
duty to aniMadvert as 'freely-on the facts which
;had come-out, as it he were present. He wished
to know if' the Right Hon. Gentleman donld-deav
the ProclatuatiOtes' of Lord Bentinck and General
Dalrymple ? If 'they could not, was it to be said
-that they took up these matters on mere Conjec-
ture, as if they bad taken their information from
letters, like those sett through the north of ire--
land, setting forth the immense .res;iousibility
thrown on the Noble Lord ; ur like:those 'private
letters from -Vienna, which spoke of silence as de-
sirable on the port of 2.linisters for thepresent,.:4s
Lord Castlereagh had sent special instrtictionshotne
that they sh °old not by answering-questions, expose
themselves as therdin before Christmas. The
Hon. Gentleman had said they ought to wait till the.
whole proceedings of the Cougre,s could'be laid
before them ; but tkis tire Co egress itSvlf, by the
acts which had preceded its breaking n;r,
made it ithpoAsible. iie was above wisling for
a triumph o'er Ministers; and WOnlil rathei
lb applaud them, ;is he had done last year. He
wished lie. might be able to praise' then;, thought:he feared he should feel it his duty to con,-
dernn them, for o;:e of tire foulest acts Of
...justice that was efl' Co ni x,ltt,ed. Convince 't bat

policy and justice were. inseparable, he fek the
conduct pursued with I expect to Get;oa, as it was
one of the worst crones, that had ever been per-
Pe'r'oed, was also one of the greatest- in.tancts
of political ffdly that had ever occurred. He pro-
ceeded to contrast the conduct formerly purstied
with respect to 'ltaly, •when Lodi lientiuck was
sent out by the Marquis Weiledev to elle t a re-,
yolutiorf, when the Italian prisoners were liberated
t 0 forward that object, and a correspuni,leoce optmed
with secret societies, and the societies of Free:
Masons in. that country. Then the man was- named
whom .Eogland proposed to place at, the head
of the Italians—their &pi-ties were received.
here, and they were proutised liberty.
'..:had now, however,• been treated tvorse by Jt;e.
Allies than they formerly were by Liftotlepartei
Would to God he could speak of the Sovereiens
of Austria, Russia, and.P.russia, as he enHifti smite
time ago, when they were :tat Park, But they
had now descended from the eminence on which
they
,then stood to became hucksters and b. m 4 k.l:lers
for territory. The.Genoese had been. promised
their liberty by the Agents of England e they had-
been promised that the Constitution Of 1576'should
be restored with such modifications as time had.
made necessary. It was proposed that an Eng-.
lisp (Hiker should bold the Government of Genoa
till the Ist of January 1815, At that time he was
to. lay it down, and England, by putting them in
possession ()fraiche ancient right, was to proVe that
her profes'sions were "sitibere---that she had fought
for the liberties of Europe. But before this pe-
riod arrived, the protocol of the Congress at Vi-
enna was produced, datecle.D;scember 12, 1814,
which disposed of Genoa to theKinvr• of Sardinia.
He contended that this injustice had7been -done to
giveVictorEmanuel weakness rather titan strength.
He had announced that be came, tci take posses-
sion:of the country ; but General ,Dalrymple had
said, " Don't send yOut soldiers there, or they
will all get their throats cut." The King of Sar-
dinia promised the .Genoese a.Constitntion, eoin
fierce, and that they should pay no taxes which,.
.
were not imposed on them by a representante
Governmentprovided they were made by his di:-
met authoritys:qual to those paid by the Piedmort-
te.Se.- 2o1; in the first inStauce, the King of Sardiniao
by,his own direct authority, was to raise their taxes
higher than ever they had been before, and' then..
tO, :give them a body of representatives, and a
Chancellor of the Exchequer, to had the ways anti'
means for .heaping new burdens on them, fie then
noticed the dependent state iii tvhich the King of
Sardinia must 'stand with respect to Austria, who
hathalready attempted to get possession of Turin.
They were dcsjrerl.to wait the return of the Noble
Lord before they discussed the proceNlings of 'the
Congress. , If they might judge of ugliness by his
tot what a whole must they shortly expect to•
behold ! After animadverting on the proposition
for placing the King of Saxony over Catholic'
subjects on the left batik of the Rhine, rathitr than
let him reign over Protestants that loved
the Elbe, he again urged the necessity ofinter--
ferenee on the' part ,of that %House. 'With
respect to Poland,
_the view was• not satin.
factory. It had been said, he hoped falsely,
that When this subject bad been' mentioned,
the Emperor of Rtsia had .given this laconic
answer, " that be had fiVe hundred thousand
men t) support his 61aitit)"_ this answer was sim:aiar
to the cold-hearted speech sail tahave been made
with ,respect ,to Les republiques era sot
plus ais mode''.--41‘ Republics are no longer the
fashion.- 'lime House, however, was told ,to wait
till Lord Castlereagh came with the Papers', which
were promised. While waiting for his return, it
was to be feared the mischief would be done, and
the views of Austria, Russia, anti Prussia carried
into cilect with 'respect to Italy, Poland-, and
Saxony. The Hotisre would desert its duty if 'it
did not insist on the production'of the 'papers.
• Mr. .13.B.I.TnuaST.cOntended, that the time had
not arrived when the papers necessary to elatidate
the whole 'of the case could be produced. The
statements of the' HOn. Gentleman opposite were
without foundation.' 'He seemed to 's:Ay that 'the
busiliess of the House should be to interrupt the-
procceditigs-of the Congress: But if,..instead of
peece; this interrnpriOn should' produce war,
which' svuuld. not 'be Unlikely, itoW -would the
country he brtic;ited. by 'following the Hon. 9-e147
tletnan's advice' Every kind of intelligence would,
,be laid befOre tlie House; it was 'finposs,ble to -
Say how long it would be necessary to wait, but -
he hoped that the time would be short.
_ _

- Mr. LloßNrni-, after alluding to the case of-
Saxony, asked wh'ether Ministers intended. to jus
tify their apparent breach of national faith on the
ground of poLcy ? Those who, after having
lookeir, at the t %To proclinnation, could still think
the case might be explained, might wait for the
promised explanation. Unless rite whole, consti:
lotion of his mind should be changed, he did.not,
think iiiat the stro ngt,;t case- of pbliticalonilitary,
or commercial policy could-114er his sentiments on
the occasion. After comparing the cOnthictot. the.
Allied SOvereigus, 'who tidied their professions, •
with that of the French Republicans,' who ravaged
• the woild with the sacred name of philanthropy
on their lips, he ilrew a picture of the effect which
Lord William Bentinek•s Proclamation,' in vitin4
the Italians to assert their owni indepen&knee,
had produced on the Genoese. It Was that,
and not the bayonet, which had opened the gates
cif Genoa• to his army, and cane:; the French gar-
' riSpii .to retire. He expatiated on the importAnee
of the possession of that city, which comm..oded-
,he Northof:L(inshardy ; on the prospect which
.we bad ()tiered its citizens of being freed of fo-7
tilt t 3 tyrants and soldiers, and on the hopes
win: h they must have formed of becoming the
head of that •confederae:, which sooner or later
would redeem the independence of
lie hoped the struggh: should come to drive
'away. the Austrian tyrants who desolated that
'fine cdtintry. --But how had the prospect of
eing aided 'in that struggle, by England,
faded away 'To Cie latest day. of their servitude,
the Genoesetanild not tor,:..;et thae- clic, perfidy of
Eogland ,Wits the cause of then. -ho'in.hige. .This
throw thetn'into the ham:s of Fr;ole(:!, who,
as. tire strongest part of-Italy had been tratitsterreil
to the we,,,liet Vower ttl Europe, inight
th,t.,siirrei\dvr fri-'Get they' ple:rsed,,
fro'in the King of
.6:-IrdH;in, trho >woukci sig.n its
cra-nsfer.iir 01.i.ler to pre,..,:yy.e.hi•l'*wn. `.1,7c ii; n 1
I;rontised the Get;oese Liberty un;,i'the ettristit-u-