The Sun.
London, England, 1815-04-11 00:00:00

ter, 1814, not vef 110. Was Oft ttioiftlaty
of bite million of dollars inchided iin* this ttim of
3,0130,000/. ? only apkiOus to know
wkat would be the total amount, of the winding
up the war. The' One million of dollars was only
for the the Peninsula, I.Lid the Right
Hon Gentleman yet obtained any estimate of the
expellee of the war in America. . '
The CHANCELLoR of the EXCHEQUER said, he
had not yet any account of the %%hiding up of the
War in Aineri,.ia. They had always found means
of meeting the demands of the American service
by raisin;{ the moneyas the service required. The
monthly payment of one million of. dollars formed
the. largest part of.:-the sum of three millions to
which he had alluded.

Mr. 'TIERNEY said, all discussion .on this sub
jest was only a , wasle of time. The total sum
now voted by the House was 211-millionsi and of
17 millions of this the Treasury already possessed
the Money. It was useless to discuss a matter of
this kind when Government had,tobtained-all they
wanted. The enormous.•seale of the etpenditure
in the Peninsula•required the investigation of a
Committee up t.tairs. "Such a Committee,conld
alone do justice to this subject.. and:see that pu-
nishment shottlfri fall where it is due; for he be-
ed in his conscience that great peculation had
been going on in the Commissariat Department.
It was in vain,
._however, to. enlarge upon these
subjects) as 'he saw no encouragement in th.e pre-.
seta temper of the Rouse. He had no intention
of preventing Gentlemen from, employing their
time in a more agreeable manner. It was Useless
to be talking of a few hundreds to•this or that in-
dividual, when 17,millions were in this,way voted
without inquiry.
Mr. attuNG trusted, that. the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman Would nut ol)ject to a Committee, when
the particular kind of account was considered ;
and the Hour would be guilty of the gi eatest
breach of duty .to the country, it they did 'not
insi;,,t upon enquiry. If a Committee was ap-
pointed, he would bring persons before them,
some of whom resided in London, who had made
from 5U to, GO per cent. on that paper, Wear,
hear !) Of course, hetwecn those who sold tyld
those who purchased the paper, scime profits ex-
isted : and, therefore,• if the 'muleteer got one
fourth, it was the utmost extent he received. He•
trusted, therefore, that his Hou. Friend's !sugges-
tion of
.appointing a .Committee tcienqiiire into
the accounts of that department would be adopted.
driANCELLOR of the ExcirEavErt winds' not
disagree to such a Committee, if he thought they
could proceed with the same -advantage as the
Committee now appointed to examine into the
accounts on the:spot where the transactions took
place. A great deal of inconvenience and inter-
ruption must arise from interfering with the
lybours of those who were engaged in that in-
vestigation. He would not deny some of the facts
which the Hon. Gentleman had mentioned ; but
they had not come to his knowledge, and he should
be glad to know what • profit had been wadi: by
persons in this country. It would be tar more
satisfactory, when the investigation was conclud-
ed, that a proper return should be laid before Par-
liament. He believed the Right Hon. Gentleman
would- not wish that he should exculpate ilim-
Sell from any particular fraud.—(Hear, hear, front
Air. Within cod.)

Mr. BARING thought the Right lion. Gentleman
Ita.d quite mistaken him in the kind of enquiry he
wished to be instituted. He had nothing to state
against those who •werc attached to the Commis-,
ktriat, but of the system pursued by th Commis-
saries under the sanction of GoVernment.
the subject of a regular account, the Right. Noll.
Gentleman could not say that a single account
in the Peninsula had been audited ; certainly not,
up to last year. IVhat he (Mr. B.) complained
of was, not any individual pecuhqion, but that
system on thepart of the Government which had
-proved, so wasteful to the country.
The C4INCELLOR-Of •the EXCHEQUER thought.
the Hon. Gentleman had said, there was some
connivance betiveen the Coinmissaries, but he-was
glad. to find he bad misunderstood him. Of the
general fact of our, paper being depreciated in the
Peninsula, he Was perfectly-aware„ and did.-not
wish to disguise it.. The paper so giyen- became
more or less valuable, according to the expecta-
tion of early payments: When there was no pay-
ment 10 money, it was evident-that apconsiderable
depreciation must take place. He hoped that in
any operations we might be obliged to take, the
means of payment _would be more Amply afforded.
The war in the Peninsula was carrivd on- under
peculiar difficulties ; but lie trusted, that what-
ever occasion we Might have for services abroad,.
we should not be driven into the conflict with our
bands tied behind. Os, but with the advantage of
all the resources which.this country was cliable
of affording.

Captain BEN ET rose to object, as he said, tti
several articles in the Army Extraordivaries, but
he spoke in so low a tone, we could only catch
occasionally what he said‘ He mentioned a sum
paid Lord Aberdeen of 100,0001. in a diplomatic
line, and could not conceive why it should be
placed to the'Extraordinaries of the ArMy. The
next article we could hear Was, that he under-
stood the money voted for the Spanish army had
not been applied to that purpose, anti that only
General Whatingliain's corps had been paid. He
hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer would
give an explanation on this subject. •
Lord CASTLEREAGH said,' he was sensible that
several of the items which had been noticed by
the Hon. Gentleman appeared to be very large,
and he wished to give as full an explanation as
possible, as the Gentlemen alluded to must feel
hurt at such important sums being placed against
their names without the reason being explained
why it was so. For. his'own part, he wished the
whole should be ,:raced out, and an inquiry set on
foot, by which the House might discover where
the fault really lay. As to the issue of the 'money
to Lord Aberdeen, it could not be necessary to
advert to all the sums, but only the sums passed
to the account, of certain persons, and the !lames
of the Officers who were to see that the issues- were
just. , The sum of 10,0001. to Lord W. llentinck •
.was applied to the Italian levy; the sum of 7,0001.
and upwards, to the Elector of Hesse, was a mere
payment of office of an old arrcar of subsidy. He
wished to call the attention of the House to the
chief articles of expenditure which related to

Ilte ,t)&41 ti't=ett tii x ticitiMe
capacity of DiplomatistA and OfteerS in the
Army. In the one base 'they received their
pay according to their rank in the Aruty
`ant; in the other; from the Civil List; andin the
case of officers, they tvet*Often liable to a losS of
40 per tent. front the difference of excluingei by
which their income was reduced to less than one
halt of what stood in their name. The Stint against
LO'rd Stewart's name was upwards of 12,000 g.
and what he received was not more than sonic=
what above M11$001.; 40d those Officers who acted
also in diplomatic characters, had been subjected
to great embarrassments from the difficulties in
which they had been involved by the immense in-
crease of expences. Lord Stewart, as a General
Officer, had received a sum of 40001. for' which
be had done duty as a superintendant of the Prus-
sian army, and
_also- that .of the Crown Prince of
.Sweden. A very lavish expenditure of money.
bad been incurred by hint in•journies from one
army ,to the 'other, in which he •had Colonel
Lowe and another Officer as assistants, whose
expences ihe had also to .pay, awl to keep a
table •for them tend other Officers ; and he was
certain that the number of horses he was ob-
liged to keep in constant use was most.grievously
expensive ; and from his own knowledge he could
assure the House and the I-lon. Gentleman, that
Lord,Stewart had been a loser by his appoint-
ments • rather than a gainer. .With respect to
Lord Cathcart, he' had not the means of knowing
the exact expenses, but he firmly believed it would
be found nothing unnecessary had been incurred.
The expences of Ambassadors in the field were
more thin double what they were at tire Courts
at which they resided, He wished, however,
that Parliament should "eminire and, probe the
matter to the bottom, He knew, front expe-
rience, fiat the expences of Ambassadors at
Vienna were immense; in' fact, it was almost in-
conceivable : and it would be a_ delusion to sup-
pose any great deduction could be made. 'He
would he happy to see the question brought before
Parliainent, to la investigated anaually, and not.
temanfas it now did, thrown on the civil list.—
With respect to Lord Burghersh, he Was to be
allowed 1,000/. net ; and his ex'raordinary ex-
punces were owing to tire loss incurred by the
exchange.

lend PaoBY contended-, there was a very great
•protuion in the whole system of 'the.Conunissa-
riat, and -no mart %Vim 110(1 not served %vitt) the
army could have any conception of it. •
Mr. Goa DON ohjeCted to several charges made
by officers in the Navy for conveyance of posseEK-
gers on board their several ships, particularly
20001. paid to Antniral Freemantle; under this
head, and 6001. to another naval officer for car-
rying Princ Blucher and sonic others from Dover
to Calais, a very short distance. lie also ob-
,jected to ;Ino!her sum of 25,0001. paid to Lord
Aberdeen for special services which elute tinder
the bead of secret services, and could not belong
to Army Extraordinaries. He would not object
.to an Ainhassadoe being liberally paid, but could
see_ no reason for so many Ambassadors, and be
th'ought oar four Ambassadors had no right to
sign the Declaration of the

Lord CASTLFREAGHI said we had only one Am-
bassador at the Congress, who was Lord=Clan-
tarty, to whom the.countrywas highly indebt'ed
for his active and eMinent services in Holland.
The other Ambassadors were attendant on their
duty with the sevm al Sovereigns to whose Courts
they had been appOinted, but who 'were now at
Arienna, and their signatures gave additional
weight and dignity to the declaration. His Lord-
ship added, that if the Mode of distributing the
duties of an Ambassador to he performed ict de-
tail had not been adopted, it would have been
impossible to have got *through with the business.

Mr. CaoKE It said, that an Hon. Cilentletnan
having alluded to the regulation respeeziug the:
conveyance of passen4ers in ships of war, be telt
it necessary to state to the House, that in 1812,
ra scale was drawn up by the Board of Admiralty,
fixing that rate ;' and by a reference-to the table
placed consniettonsly in vaizions• parts of the Ad-
miralty, that circumstance would be explained.
As to Admiral Fremantle, the sum paid him had
been investigated in the minutest manner ; and
from his own kaowledge he was convinced, that
if the gallant 'Officer had not received that stun,
be would have been a loser of 3 or 40001. of
his private fortune. Captain Usher had also made
a claim for a suns of money for the conveyance of
Buonaparte, to the island of E:lba, in the frigate
the Undaunted, which he commanded. The Lord's
of- the Admiralty had desired him to -state his ex-
pellees. Ile said lie could not. -They then told
him, dial it he did iu.t, he must take what was
allowed by the table fur conveying a crowned
bead ; which he had also declined to do. As the
subject had been alluded to, he thought, it his,-
duty to say thus much on the subject, ,
Mr. WHIT'BREAD said, that" in respect to what
the Honourable Secretary had stated regarding
Admiral Freeinantle, he had no doubt but that
gallant Officer was deserving the remuneration he
had received; but he thought the ca se of Captain
Usher, one of the most distinguished names in
the English Navy, was a very bald one. He was
stationed in the Mediterranean, and his ship lying
at anchor near the place where Napoleon Buona-
parte was to embark for the island of Elba. He
was ordered to take him on hoard with his whole
suite, which he accordingly , did, and _furnished
him with all his necessary stares and provisions to
a considerable amount. When arrived at Elba,
Buonaparte had no provisions, and Captain Usher
Supplied him with all he had. Buonaparte next
day offered to pay all the expellees of his voyage,
hilt Captain Usher supposing his Goveta
would be offended' if he accepted such_ payment,
declimd taking it. Un his return home he applied.
to, the ,Board of Admiralty, and he wtsis there
told it was understood or supposed that Buo-
nap4rte had paid him. Indig-paut at the, 'idea
that be would demand payment of them it'
he had before received it fro-44 Buonaparte.,
Captain Usher, Who Jiad been engaged 134:
times against the 'enemies of- his conntry,.,re-
(wired 1.0 know from what sourcetheybad derived
their information. This was answered in a man.:
ner by no ineanS satisfactory, and he was desired
to state his expenses. He said hie' could dO!
so, and xras then, told must take the allowance
asiatained itt the table as for uge crer,vned head.