The Sun.
London, England, 1841-04-02 00:00:00

CLONMEL UNION,

Mr. Armstrong was then called to the bar, and exa.
mined by the Earl of GLENGALL—Witness is a clerk
in the Order Department ef the Poor-law Commissioners'
Office in Dublin. It is his duty to copy drafts, niinutes,
and letters. He was in that office in February, 1839,
ssa; not ordered to make copies of any miautes or
letters concerning the officers in Clonmel. Was in
the office in May, 1840, and was ordered to copy
a return to the House in the early pert of the
month ; was directed to make that return from
the original tables of the office. Did not copy
a mi into on the registry book to make it.
The chief clerk, Mr. Wordsworth, generally gave him di-
rections. Thinks he did so on this occasion, but he is
not sure. Cannot say whether he received any instruc-
tions from Mr. Stanley. Does not know whether. the
letter produced was the one he bad copied or not. Cannot
swear whether he ever saw it before or not. No other
clerk except himself was employed in making out this
return. They were made out from the original papers.
The Earl of GLENGALL—It has been :wed by
Mr.. Stanley that that letter was one of the original papers.

Witness—Then no doubt I made it out from that. Was
sure he had not made it out from the registry book. There
were no other documents except that letter that he could
have made it out from that he was aware of. Mr.
Stanley gave him instructions as to making it
out. By Mr. Stanley's desire he copied the worth
" Assistant-Commissioner " into the _returns. Those
words were not in the dacuraent when be was making out
the returns, but Mr. Stanley inserted them in the body a
the document before witness's face after the returns to the
House were ordered, and before he had male out the returns.
There were no other words interlined. Could not say
whether he received instructions to make any otter
alterations. There were no other alterations in the
minutes then. lie copied the extract from Mr.
Phelar.'a report from the original. Did not make
out the returns presented in March, 1841 ; it
would be the duty of any clerk to do so whom Mr.
Stanley directed. Had no communication respecting the
alterations, except with Mr. Stanley. Had had some
communication with Mr. Stanley since his return to Dub-
Ho from the investigation. Mr. Stanley said, he (witness)
might be correct in some part of his statement, and in an-
other part he was right.
By Ertl RADNOR—Mr. Stanley thought he was
right respecting the words " Assistant Commissioner."
Witness pointed out some inconsistencies in the papers to
Mr. Stanley, and then it was he male the aiteration. Mr.
St inley and himself were the only persons then in the room.
By Lord GLENGALL—The inconsistencies or dis-
crepancy was in the letters to Mr. Fennell and Mr. Bag-
well. Mr. Stanley did not say that it would not do for
such discrepancies to appear before the House of Lords.
To Earl RADNOR (the letter being put into his
hand)—He now observed that there were ma ty other
words interlined than the words Assistant Commis-
sioners, hut these were the only words he could swear he
saw Mr. Stanley write. . .

By Lord fIEbESDALE—He should have copied the
whole letter if it had been given to him, aad the date.
The head clerk gave him the letter to copy.
By the Marquis of NORMA293Y—He had had con-
versations with different individaals.abot* the discrepancy.
His recollection with regard to it; was the same now as it
had alvca,s Lecn.

The witness having been ordered to vilidraw, the
House n_zumed.

On the motion of the Marqu;s of NORM ANBY, the
witness was discharged from further attendance.
The Earl of GLENGALL then gave notice that im-
mediately after the Easter recess, he should call their
Lordship's attention to the evidence that bad been taken
at the bar.
Lord MONTE AG LE observed that it would be
very convenient if before the Noble Earl brought
the subject forward, their Lordships were in-
formed exactly of what they would be called upon to
determine, and probably the Noble Lord would, after the
recess, infirm the House of the specific Tuition he intended
to make.
The Earl of GLENGALL said that after the recess
he would lay before their Lordships the precise terms of
the motion he intended to submit.

Earl RADNOR—Why put the matter off until after
Easter ? _

The Ea-1 of GLENGALL replied that it was very de-
sirable, more, perhaps, for the convenience of the parties
cancerned than for the convenience of himself or their
Lordships, that it should be put off until after Easter.
Mr. Fox MAULE and others brought up the Popula-
tion Bill, whia, was read a first time, and ordered to be
read a second time to-morrow.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, APRIL 1.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'Clock.
Mr. B ROTH E RTON moved the further consideration
of the Birkenhead Gas and Waterworks Bill for the pur-
pose of postponing it.
Mr. SHE IL hoped between the present time and the
27th of April the promoters of the Bill would see the ex-
pediency of introducing a clause to limit the profits to 10
tier cent. instead of 12 per cent. He would take
that opportunity of stating, on behalf of the de-
partment with which he had the honour of being
canne4ted, that for the future they would deem it
their duty to limit the amount of profits on all gas and
water-works companies to 12 per cent , and that the sur-
plus profits, if any, be applied to the diminution of the rates.
The third reading was then postponed till after the
Easter recess:

On the motion of Mr. BYNG, the Chelsea Poor Bill
was read a third time and passed.

Oa the motion of Mr. 8 TRUTT, the Derby Gas Bill
was real a third time and passed.

Mr. MACKINNON brought up the report of the
Committee on the Goble Road BID.
ST. ALBAN'S ELECTION.

Mr. A. SANFORD brought up the report of the
Committee appointed to try the merits of the St. Alban's
Election, 'reporting that William Earl Listonell was duly
elected for the borough of St. Alban's and that neither
the petitioner or opposition were frivolous or vexatious.
Mr. H. SMITH presented a petition from Mile-end,
praying for Church Extension ; also petitions from va-
rious parts of Somersetsbire, against any grant to the
College of Maynonth, and for the exclusion of Papits
from the House of Commons.

Mr. LANGDALE presented a petition from the Ca-
tholic Congregation of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, praying
that Rsman Catholic paupers might have leave to attend
their own places of public worship.
On the motion of Mr. M. PHILLIPPS, the Com-
mittee on the Importation of Machinery obtained leave
to report to the House from time to time.
Mr. T. DUNCO MBE presented a petition from
seventy-three individuals praying for an amendment of the
Anatomy Act, and greater stringency in its provisions;
also petitions from St. Giles-in-the-Fields and St. George':,
Bloomsbury, against the Poor-law Amendment Bid aid
the continuation of the Commission ; also a petition frova
different individuals in the metropolis praying for the

liberation of Mr. F. O'Connor; also a petition from the
Tower Hamlets' Association, praying ,for the liberation of
William Carrier; also three petitions from individuals in
Shoreditch, praying for the liberation-of Frost, Williams,
and Janes; and two petitions to tho same effect from
Manchester.

Mr. DIVETT presented a petition from Exeter in fa-
vour of the Poor-law Bill, and against the continuation of
local Acts.

Mr. VILLIERS presented petitions from parishes in
Chester against the Corn-laws.
Mr. 0. GORE presented a petition from a parish in
Salop, praying for Church Extension.
Lord SANDON presented a petition from the inhabi.
tants of Wellington in Somerset, comiitaiiiing of the diffi-
culty of collecting rates from the owneis of small tenc-
Tents, and prayiag that the House would take the subject
into its consideration.

M. G. KNIGHT presentei two petitions from places
in Nottingham, praying for Church Extension.
Lord BARRINGTON presented a
.petition from the
Board of Guardians of Newberry, agianst the rating of
union workhouses.

Mr. PA KINdTON presented ten petitions from
places in Worcester, in favour of Church Extension.
Mr. GROTE presented a petition from Devon, com-
plaining of the partiality of overseers in the rating of tene-
ments, and praying for the appointment of paid collectors.
Mr. R. STEWART presented petitions from places in
the counties of Haddington and Wigton, Scotland, against
Church patronage.
General JOHNSON presented a petition signed by
upwards of 7,200 inhabitants of Oldham, praying the
House to address her. Majesty to grant a free pardon to
Frost, Williams, and Jones.

Mr. W. DUNCOMBE- presented a petition from
Yorkshire, praying for Church. Extension.
Mr. ELLIOT presented a petition from Kelso, pray-
in. for the abolition cf Church patronage.
'Mr. Alderman COPELAND preheated a petition
from a plat in Rutland, for an amendment of the Anatomy