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London, England, 1824-05-05 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

ST..KATHERINE'S DOCK BILL.
Mr. Alderman WOOD presented a petition front the Fel-
lowship of Loillion Porters, praying that their interegt might
be protected in the St. Katherine's Dock• Bill.
Petitions were presented in favour of the sane Bill, from.the
Merchants of Yarmouth and Dovef. • -
Petitions were presented from the City of London Gas Light
and Coke Company against the Oil Gas Bill, and the Con.-
pressed Gas Bill.77ordereel to lie on the table.

•
'ALLIANCE COMPANV.
Mr. ALEXANDER presented a petition from the A•ii-
ance British and Foreign Assurance Company, praying for
leave to present a Petition to incorporate. the said Company--
Leave was given,' and the petition was afterwards presented 4
HIDES AND SKINS BILL:
Petitions were presented in favour of the above Bill froitillie
Butchers of Peterborough, by Mr. SCAlit.r. TT ;,• fkom'Perth.
by Mr. DUNDAS ; andfrOni the Butchers of Worcester; Co.:
ventry, Arundel, Carlile, and Liverpool.
Petitions were presented against the same Bill from the
Tanners, Carriers, and Leather-cutters of Manchester, North-
ampton,Wolverliampton, Liverpool, Lancaster, Canterbury,
Abingdon and Brighton.
BEER DUTIES BILL

Mr. MIT'S Dl' presented a petition from Derby against the
Beer Duties Bill.

Similar petitions were presented by 4r. BLACKBURNE,
from Bolton, Chorley, Bolton-le-Moor, and Warrington ; by
Mr. HUSICISSON, from the Common irewers of Liverpool.—
Severally laid on the table.
Mr. TALBOT presented a petition from Skerries, Rush,
and other places on the coast, in the county of Dublin, against
the Repeal of the Fish Bounties.—Laid on the table.
Mr. D. GILBERT presented a petition from Penzance in
favour of the County Courts Bill.—Laid on the table:
Sir R. HERON presented a petition from certain Journey,
men of Newark-upon-Trent against the Combination Laws.—
Laid on the table.

Mr. I)ENMAN presented a petition from four Barristers
holding freehold offices in the Palace Court, praying compen=
sation for any losses they may experience from the County
Courts Bill.—Laid on the table.

Lord G. SOMERSET presented a petition from Monmouth
against Slavery.—Laid on the table.
Mr. BYNG presented a petition from the county of Middle-
sex against the continuance of the Duty on Salt.
Mr. LESTER supported the petition.—Laid on the table.
Mr. ELLISON presented a petition from South shields.
praying for an equalization of the Coal Duties.—Laid on the
table.

Mr. D. BROWNE presented a petition from the County of
Mayo against the Repeal of the Linen Bounties.—Laid on the
table.
Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition from certain Growers
and Dealers in Corn in the County of Sussex, against the Bill
for allowing Bonded Corn to be ground into Floor for expor-
irebiegrncfloonuterniinletdo
atilemmt
atrkheet,effteoctthoefptriele.
ita3itlilonw.oulTd
hbee liobnri Mefno
judice of the petitioners.
Sir T. LETHBRIDGE said that his opinion was very ma-,
terially changed with regard to the Bill since its introduction
to the House. This change had been etrected by the reketnn--
tations of those most interested in the subject, and he should
therefore hesitate before he gave it his support.
Mr. HUME did not believe the alarm of the petitioners 0
be well grounded.
Sir J. WROTTESLEY chiefly objected to the plan, be--
cause it would throw a large quantity of sour flour into the
home market, and obstruct the sweet wheat from coming into it.
Mr. CRIPPS said he did not feel the objections which had
been made to the measure, or he certainly should not give it hi."
support.
Mr. HUSKISSON deprecated discussions of this nature upon
the presentations of petitions, when the subject was before. the
House in the form of an order.

111 r. DENNIS BROWNE declared his intention to oppose
the Bill.

Mr. T. WILSON thought the Bill would be prejudicial to
the Landed Interest, and that it had some other object than
was allowed to meet the eye.
After a few words from Mr. CCRTIS, the petition was order-
ed to be printed.
ORANGE AND RIBBON SOCIETIES.
Mr. J. S.MITII had to present a petition ofrather a singular
character, as it came from parties who had 'seldom dared to
approach that House with a complaint of their grievances.
The petitioners were poor farmers ani peasants of the county
of Westmeath, and they complained of the existence of certain
political Societies in Ireland called Orange Men and Rilib(A-
men, who disturbed the tranquillity of the country, and com-
pelled the petitioners, against their will, to become partisans
on one side or the other. The Hon. Member stated his belief,
that since the law for preventing the administration of secret
oaths was passed, the Orange Societies had become more nu-
merous. This system must perpetuate division and discord in
the country, because wherever an Orange Lodge was establish..
ed, a Society of Ribbomnen was sure to follow. He wished the
Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs had been in the House,
because he remembered having heard him upon a former occa-
sion, when out of office, express a very strong opinion against
the existence of these Societies, and denounce them with that
eloquence for which he was so remarkable. With the exception
of two or three signatures of landed Gentlemen the petition
came from poor farmers and labouring men. It was seldom
that they had approached the House_either with their grievances
or their prayers, and he was glad to see them come forward fer
any d
sincerely u]
the first time with such a request as that of putting down the
causes which
that
disturbedhe hadtheir e
vpeace r andesen tranquillity.presented the
he
prayer of
He could
class of men with greater satisfaction to the House. He be-
lieved that the greatest and most afflicting evils to which Tre-
land was exposed, arose out of the fierce contention of these
Societies. It had lately been declared from the Bench,
,that
the country could not expect repose until they were effectually
put down. It had been his intention to submit some measure
with that view to the House, but he hoped to see the question
in abler and better hands.

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Sir J. NEWPORT expressed his satisfaction at seeingsuch
a petition before the House from this class of the people. It
was time that all these associations were put down, and'he was
firmly of opinion that no peace would exist until that end was
effected. Ills Hon. Friend had truly said that such had, been
the opinion lately delivered from the justice seat in Iceland._,.
The Learned Judge in question :uldressed the Grand JOY, and
ing Orange Societies, to he that of creating hostiles et.,ir, reminded them that he had 'foietold the consequence
_and
that now his predictions were verified, and that
_l!ew(ssir J. New_
to put down the association on both sillir li
duty of Govefmneewn;
port) would go.farther, and say. it was
le
to
a suppose the Go-
to put them down. But it was imposto- w ,
,_ fp", hen tney saw the
vernment sincere in its wishes to 00
advertised_ in the public
Papers of persons holding high of support_
wouldOae
that the people lace
Lodges. It was idle to supootz
? vernment when the saw _
confidence in the intentions 0 5 y saw 'rat
a i
ny,,t officer
t: rea ned:b
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ir so
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as Masters and
Laws fiorn
lied. to be printed.
The petition was ordted
presented, praying
Petitions were presented Glasgow by Mr. Ha
such things were openly. to
the Stocking Weaven—,shoemakers of Carib • USXISSON, hnd
dl:Puant d allowed.
ridge by Lord, F.
from the Journerne
a repeal of the Assessed
OsndulitE• ASSESSED TAXES. '.
m Castle Carey, by Sir T. LETHBRIDGE, and from
Taxes, from _
_r. _
m AVIABERLY.
Dartford, y
bDERLY postponed h* 3/,.. 31Ais reotion relative to the As-
sessed Taxes on Monday next.
EDUCATION.
Sir J. NEWPORT presented a petition from the Gentry and
Clers:y of the Diocese of Ross, complaining of the removal of
the Vtocesan school. The laetitioners stated, that upon mak-
ing application to the Lord Lieutenant, their memorial was're-
-0 f
the Petitionssc hoo
ferted to the Board of Education, who had ordered the union
could not alter its own act.
‘lvsleTheanswer they received was, that the Board
Mr. L. FOSTER defended the conduct of the Board,.and
maintained that it had alwayi been conducive to the advance
ment of education. The subject was one which would
and'c...on2e_
under the investigation of the new Commissioners,' . a°

ft/aught it atseless to -make it a matter of discussion in that
Bowe.
Sir J. NEWPORT and Mr. L. FOSTER. explained.
Mr. GOUL-BURN said he happened to be present wheti this
Islemorial came before the Board of Education. - A question
;image as to whether they had the power of cancelling the union
of the schools, after their act had been confirmed by the 'Lord
Lieutenant. A case was submitted to the Attorney-General,
and he decided that they had not the power. -
Sir J. NEWPORT asked, when the new Commissioners for
iasuiring into the state of Education in Ireland` would be ap-
pointed ? The least possible delay ought to take plate, and
every thing depended upon the respectability of the Com-
m-Union.
Prr. GOULBURN said, that no long time would elapse be-
fore the Commissioners would be appointed,, and he had no
cletubt 'that the appointments would glye general satisfattion.
:o.rne delay was „necessarily created, by the communications
iit."o must take eace between the two Governments.
' J: NEWP RT.had understood that they were to have
allloyal Commission, and that the appointment would hive
I:Outmode by the Cabinet and not by the local Government. -
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that _no' delay would take place
--teyond that which was necessary to procure such appointments
41r irould ensure the best fulfilment of the duties of the Corn-
mission. He had no doubt but that the 'appointments would
-"he such as to conciliate the feelings of all who were interested
iri the very important question.—The petition was ordered to
be. printed.
Sir J. NEWPORT presentksd a petition from the. Chamber
of Commerce of -the City of 'Waterford againt the Bill relating
to wheat in bond.--Laid on the table.
; A Message from the Lords announced that their Lordships
had agreed to several Bills.
BEER DUTIES.
Mr. IIUME presented a petition from several .Brewers of
Forfar, against the present Regulation of Beer Duties. He
trusted the Chancellor of the Exchequer would alter his plan,
which- was difficult and inconvenient, if not impracticable. The
duty ought to be laid altogether on the malt.—The petition, was
ordered to be printed.
Mr. IIU:klE presented a petition from Salford against the
Combination Laws; and another, to the same effect, from se.
venal Butchers of Newgate Market.
Colonel TRENCII presented a petition from the Town
Clerk of Cambridge, praying for compensation under the
County Courts Bill.--The petition was read, and
Colonel TRENCH then moved, that the House would on.
Friday next resolve itself into a Committee on the Petition.—
Agreed to, after a few words from Lord ALTHoRP.
Lord BELGRAVE presented a petition from the Tanners
of Chester against the Leather Duty.—Ordered -to lie on the
table; as was a petition from Altringham,' presented by the
same Noble Lord, against Negro Slivery.
Mr. ABERCROAI BY presented a petition from Edinburgh,
signed by upwards of 4,000 persons, against the Combination
Laws.—Ordered to lie on the table.
CORN LAWS.

ABERCROMBViiesei;ia ivpetition from Youghall,
in Ireland, against a Bill brought in 'by an lion. Gentleman,
respecting. the Corti Laws. They complained that the averages
-were unfairly taken.
Mr. MONCK presented a Petition from Reading against
the Hide and Skin Bill, and another from St. George's, in
Middlesex, against the Salt Duty.—Ordered to lie on the table.
COUNTY COURTS.

Lord ALTHORP presented a.Petition from Manchester in
favour cf the.County,Courts' Bill ; and in answer to a Petition
presented from Lancashire some time since, praying that that
county might be exempted from the operations of the Bill.—
Ordered:to lie on the table.
Di ST IL LE R Y LAWS.

..Lord A. HAMILTON presented ;Peiition from the County
•of Lanark, complaining of the effects of the Scotch Distillery
Laws. • They particularly complained that -the duties, were
heavier in Scotland than they Were in Ireland ; and they
..claimed an equalization of the duties He understood that the
Chancellor of the Exchequer on a former occasion had. held
Dolt a promise that this equalization would take place;
begged to ask the Hight Hon. Gentleman whether he intended
to propose any, and what measure on the subject ?
The CHANCELLOR of Abe EXCHEQUER admitted he
had last Session given reason to believe that he should propose
a definitive measure on this subject ; and he regretted that lie
should not be able to do so this Qession. He could not deny
the truth of the statements in the' Petition (as far as he under,.
stood their substance from the.observations of the Noble Lprd),
reir the injustice of the present law. Belied no hesitation to
say, that that law could not be allowed to remain in its present
inconsistent state..:-4 ear, .hear ) Ile must observe, however,
that the faw was not of his: proposing. It had been several
years in its present state,- and in that state he found it.—
. tie particularly regretted that lie could not propose any definite
rneasKre this Session. He was attentively considering the sub..
jest with the view to a remedy ; but be had no doubt the Noble
Lord was not aware of the many difficulties in which the sult.,
jest was involved, though they did not appear at first sight.-
Admitting most distinctly that the law ought to be, and must
be altered, he would only ask of the Petitioners, the .Noble
Jord himself, and all'others who took an interest in the subjeet,
that they would not force him to aeprernature, and probably,.
an ill-digested measure.
• 11r. C. II vitt' INSON concurred in the view of the sub-
ject taken by the Petitioners. He would, however, oppose any
violation of the Act of Union with Ireland. There would be
swell a violation by any",partial measure.- The Irish spirits
were differint from those of Scotland, which were very dane
gerous. The Irish spirits were very good indeed.—(A laugh.) -
. Mr. D. BROWNEetipported the opinion of the last speaker.
-Mr. HUME spoke in favour of the Petition, though he a&
mitted that Ministers had shew.n a disposition to afford all the
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-relief which the subject called .for: lie did not, however, see
wily they should, be afraid to ptoeeed to their measures in the
first instance. .

;*7.1.. MAI:ERIN wished Hon. Gentlemen would propose
the hest mode of equalizing the tluty,'Whicli was by abolishing
the &vies 'altogether. --:(licar,'"bear !) . . . .
Mr. RUNE explained. -1' •' ' - ' . .
. The Petition was •ordercd-tos,belrinted, after a few words
from Lore, A. HAMILTON, admitting•the.fairnessarideandour
of the Chancellor of the Excheqter's gtatement... • -
COURT -OF -GHANCERY.

lkif,• JOHN WILLIAMS begged to aslc.the Right Hon.
itHfretitry opposite, whether•any arrangement had been made to
take and lay before the House Minutes of such evidence as
might be brought before , the Comulisioners appointed to in-
- (pure into the practice of the Court of Chancery, in the course
of their praceedinwi. . •
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, he was not aware of any such
arrangement ; though he presumed the evidence would betaken
auf laid before Parliament in the usual course. He would,
however, make inquiry% on, tire .ittbject ; and would then be
prepared to give a positiVe answer to the question of the lion.
and Learned Gentlenlsn,

INSURRECTION ACT.
Mr. GOULPI,7IOI gave -noire that he-should, on
ThurA-
day, move for a Committee to inquire into the state of such of
the counties in. Ireland as were under the operation of the Insur-
rection Act.