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the Brazils, and provoke fresh duties upon our ma-
nufactured goods both in Germany and the United
,• States ! These are points which especially interest the
1 merchants of Liverpool. But every tradesman, every
shopkeeper, every working-man is equally interested in
carrying out a system which will increase demand and
employment in every branch. What will they do ? We
shall soon see. The leaders of the people have
proved themselves true to them. Will the people be
true to their leaders and to themselves ? If they will
not, then will they sanction and will deserve every pri-
vation and every misery which Toryism can inflict upon
them. Electors of Liverpool, what say you ? We wait
your verdict with much anxiety.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
HOUSE OF LORDS, lllay 17.
CARTER v. PALMER.
Sir W. FoLLETT having eloeed his arguments on behalf of
the respondent,
Mr. R. BRUCE replied, and
The LORD CHANCELLOR pol,tponed giving judgment.

Pill VY COUNCIL, May 17.
WOOD AND OTHERS, v. COODLA EE.
Sir FREDERICK Potr.iicr: having concluded his address,
Mr. Sergeant 11oMrAs briefly followed on the same-side.
Mr. WIGRAM (with whom was Dr. rhillimore) then rose
to address their Lordships bs•half of Mrs. Goodiake, one of
the next of kin, and was speaking when their Lordships rd-
journed.

INSOLVENT DEBTORS' COURT, May •
The Court was informed some time ago, when two
comedians applied fbr bail in one day, that "theatrical;
were at a discount ;" and since then others have ap-
plied. Three le:::;ees of theatre3 have petitioned the
Court, and ascribed their appearances to the failure of
the speculations. The three are—Hammond, who had
Drury-lane Theatre ; Rogers, who had Sadler's Wells
and Radcliffe, who, a short time ago, was the proprietor
of the Victoria Theatre.
Mr. George Dibdin Pitt, an insolvent, applied to be
discharged' under the act.
CHIEF COMMISSIONER—What are you, Sir ? Insol-
vent—l am a comedian and dramatic author.
CHIEF CommisstoziEnls your wife a theatrical ?
Insolvent—She has not been for many years.
CHIEF COMMISSIONER—Your debts, I see, have been
accumulating many years. Had you any engagement
when you were taken to prison ? Insolvent—l was
taken from my business.
CHIEF COM3IISSIONER—I see since you have been in
prison, that you have been writing pieces, for which
you have received money from Mr. Osbaldiston. Have
you any promise of an engagement ? Insolvent—l
have, Sir.
The COURT ordered him to be discharged.

SELF-WINDING-Up CLOCKS.--A collection of
very curious clocks, upon a principle entirely new, is to
be seen in a room appropriated fin• the purpose at the
Royal : Polytechnic institution. The inventor, M. Moi-
ne:tee a French mechanician, has approximated them, in
their construction, as nearly as possible, to the solution
of the perpetual motion problem. The means by which
they are made " to go" are altogether of a novel kind.
Thus, fire (in a fire-place), water (in a cistern), air (in a
chimney), the opening of a door, or any constantly oc-
curring motion, is made use of by the inventor as a
primum mobile, and the results arc truly extraordinary.
On the present occasion we must confine ourselves to a
deecription of one of these time-pieces ; it may possibly
serve as a key to the others ; at all events the clocks, on
examination, will speak for themselves. • The first object,
is to fix the time-piece in its intended locality—say on a
bracket in the hall of a house. Behind the clock a
single piece of machinery is attached to the wall, having
affixed thereto a wire conductor with a spring catch at
the street-door. As often as the door is
opened the : wire winds up a weight ; should
it previously be fully wound up, no effect is
produced, but if not the reverse is the case. The whole
of this machinery is hid from view in the wall, and be-
tween it and the clock there is a secret connection. 'Mo-
tion is communicated to the time-piece by a compensation
lever, loaded at one end with a weight, and regulated
by a pendulum. When this weight has drawn down the
lever to its limit, a mechanical arrangement permits the
lever to be acted upon by the powers husbanded in the
wall, the operation of which is instantly to restore the
lever (weight and all) to its original starting place,
whence it again proceeds on its work. A primary motive
power, sufficient for twenty- four hours, is obtained by
once opening the street-door in that time. Wherever
this is the case a clock will go correctly as long as the
materials last of which it is composed. The other va-
rieties are equally as curious and ingenious as the one de- 1
scribed.
LORD SANDON.—His Lordship numbers
among his political friends many gentlemen engaged in the
Brazil and a few in the United States trade. These gen-
tlemen, particularly those engaged in the trade to Brazil,
are highly indignant at his conduct en the sugar ques-
tion, and several of them have vowed that they will
oppose him, whenever he appears before his constituents
to solicit a renewal of the trust now reposed in him.
They are vexed not merely at his open opposition to their
interest as merchants deeply concerned in the prosperity
of Brazil : they are vexed at the want of courtesy which
he has shown to the Brazilian Association. While .he
lost not a moment, they say, in acquainting the West
India interest with the proposal on the subject of sugar,
he (lid not condescend to make any communication to the
Brazilian interest. Hence the Brazil merchants are
satisfied that he is the sole partisan of the West India
interest, whose good-will and support he seeks at the
sacrifice of the obvious interest of the Brazilian. The
fact, we suppose, is, that his Lordship deems himself
more beholden to the West Indians than to the Bra-
zilians, and he has taken this opportunity as the most
favourable for evincing his gratitude fir favours received
and for favours expected. Well, the Brazilian interest
are irritated and chagrined at Lord Sandon's treatment
of them : will they vote against him at the next election ?
We shall soon see.—Liverpool Albion.
CONTESTED ELECTIONS--FORFARSHIRE.--
It is reported, and there is some truth in the report,
that the county and burghs will be contested at the
next election. The Honourable Lauderdale Maule is
to oppose the Honourable D. G. Halliburton, M.P. for
the county ; George Kinloch, Esq. "of that ilk,'
is to endeavour to take the place of Sir H. Parnell, the
sitting Member for Dundee ; and a gentleman from Lon-
don is to contest the burghs of Montrose, Arbroath, &c.,
with P. Chalmers, Esq. of Auldbar, the present M.P.
All the parties are said to be Liberal in pohtics.—Edin-
burgh Weekly Chronicle.
THE NIGER EXPEDITION.--The Albert
steamer, Captain Henry Dundas Trotter, and the Wil-
berforce, Commander W. Allen, sailed from this port
for their destination. on Wednesday evening last, at
half-past six. Great interest was felt to witness their
departure, as it was supposed they would sail ear-
lier.,. There was a considerable number of spectators on
Mount Wise, Cremill Point, Plymouth Garrison, &c.,
throughout the day. As the steamers neared the men-of-
war in the Sound, viz:—the Impregnable; 104, Capt.
Forrest, C. 8., Belleisle, 74, Capt. Toup Nicolas, C. 8.,
Edinburgh, 74, Capt. W. Henderson, K.H., Bellerophon,
80, Capt. Austen, and the Trille°, 18, Commander
Coffin, 'they each manned their rigging and gave the
steamers three hearty British cheers—the bands of each
ship playing " God save the Queen." The Albert and
Wilberforce, as they passed each man-of-war, returned
the compliment, and proceeded to sea with as fine a wind
as could be desired. Captain Trotter and his brave cone
petitions take with them the prayers and best wishes o:
the inhabitants of these towns, and of the nation al
large, for their health and success in the highly interest.
ing mission in which they are engaged.—Plymouth Inde-
pendent.

- The tide of emigration still runs strongly
towards the United States. In the absence of goods the
ships fill with steerage-passengers. The Roscius, which
sailed yesterday for New York, carried out nearly 350.
Liverpool Albion.
THE DUBLIN MAIL.--On and after the 15th of
next month, the evening mail from London will be con-
veyed on the Chester and Birkenhead Railway, and reach
the station before six o'clock in the morning. Her Majes-
ty's steamers, instead of receiving it on the Liverpool, will
receive it on the Cheshire side of the Mersey, and sail
direct for Dublin. The mail and passengers from Li-
verpool will be conveyed on board in a steamer. Half
an hour, at least, is expected to be gained by the altera-
tion of the route of the London down mail.--Liverpool
Albion.

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at the present moment on the subject of the Corn-laws.
Everyrescription of persons—Deputies, journalists, or
merchants—speak in favour of the proposed change,
and only wonder that it could have been deferred so long.
Here, where bread is cheap, the monstrous exactions of
the enactments relative to the corn-trade appear some-
thing akin to madness. They consider the struggle in
England as the first efforts of strong men waking from a
state of lethargy, and resolved to shake off the burden
placed on them by weak, though crafty, opponents. This
struggle may be of short or long duration, but the cause
of common-sense,
they think, must prevail at last. This
is the universally-received opinion here, and it appears
to me a just one.
THE LATE SIR F. JOHNSTON.—SeveraI in-
correct reports having already appeared in the news-
papers, respecting the circumstances in which Sir F. G.
Johnstone, Bart., of Westerhall, came to his untimely
and melancholy end, I take the liberty of stating to you
the true facts of the case. Sir F. Johnstone having re-
turned from Eglinton Park races to Westerhall, rode
over, on Friday last, in company with his factor, Mr. T.
Borthwick, to Talford, to give some instructions to his
servants residing at new kennels there, previous to his
departure for the South of England, On their return
late in the evening. Sir F. Johnstone's horse galloped off
with him, Mr. Borthwick followed, and when opposite
Blackburnfoot, found Sir F. lying on the road-side,
to all appearance quite dead. Yr. Borthwick in-
stantly rode back to Westwater, and aroused 1.1,1 r. Max-
well, who, after ordering his servants to follow him with
a conveyance for the removal of Sir F.'s body,
' proceeded to the spot, while Mr. Borthwick came to
Langholm for •surgical aid. Sir F. Johnstone's body
was accordingly conveyed to Westwater, and examined
by a surgeon from Langholm, who discovered a fracture
of the right side of the skull, extending through the ear
to the base, an injury sufficient to produce almost in-
stantanepus death. These are the t ue facts of the cas,
which you will be so good as adhere to in your report of
the disastrous accident.—Correspondent of the Cvarlisle
Journal.

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Countess Craven, who arrived in town on Wed-
nesday from the family • seat, Coombe Abbey, near Coventry,
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went to Hamstearl Lodge, the seat of the Dowager Lady
Craven, near Newbury.; to join the circle staying there with
the afflicted Lady Lo
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IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN'R
HOUSE OF LORDS, May 17.
The LORD CHANCELLOR. took his seat on the Wool-
sack shortly after Five o'Clock.
The Exchequer Bills Bill was read a third time and
passed.
The Bank Copartnership Bill was read a third time
and passed.
The Duke of DEVONSHIRE presented a petition
from the Mayor and Corporation of Derby, in favour of
the proposed alteration of the sugar, timber, and corn
duties.
The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL presented a petition
from the Colonial Association against the proposed alter-
ation of the Timber Duties.
Lord WILLOUGHBY D'ERESBY presented a pe-
tition from Lincolnshire against alteration of the Corn-
laws.

The Marquis of WESTMINSTER presented a peti-
tion signed by the Mayor, and 750 of the inhabitants of
a town in Cheshire, of which we did not catch the name,
in favour of the alteration. He cordially supported the
prayer.
Lord REDESDALE presented a petition from Chel-
sea, for the abolition of the Metropolitan Bridge Tolls.
The Marquis of EXETER presented a number of pe-
titions against tlr; alteration of the Corn-laws.
The Duke of RUTLAND presented similar petitions
from places in the counties of Leicester and Rutland.
Earl FrrzWILLIAM was desirous of- speak-
ing upon the petitions presented by the Noble Duke,
because no man could approach the House with greeter
claims on their attention, not merely on account of. his
high station and ample possessions, but on account also
of the close connexion which he undeviatingly main-
tained with those who lived under him, and on account
of his active and unbounded benevolence.—(Cheers.)
One paragraph in the petitions just presented struck him
as particularly requiring attention, as it was directly
opposite to the prayer of a petition presented from the
same parties only five years ago, when the same land-
owners and farmers Caine to the House saying they were
all ruined, and praying their Lordships to do something
fir them. They then stated that the Corn-laws were in-
effective; and required alteration, and now they prayed
as vehemently that there should be no alteration.
In fact there was no class of the community but com-
plained of those laws at some time or other—in 1835 and
1836 the farmers complained of them—in 1840 and 1841
the merchants cried out against them. That ought to con-
vince their Lordships that the system was a bad one.
lle requested them to look at the state of the commerce of
the country. The export of finished manufactures had
greatly diminished, whilst that of unfinished and imper-
fect goods had increased. The manufactures of the Con-
tinental nations were improving as ours declined, and
he cautioned their Lordships not to pass or to
keep up any laws which had a tendency to give
those manufactures a 'further impulse.—{Bear.) It
was important to remember that the German League
was about to expire, whether that combination was entered
into through hoetility to England, or, as he rather believed,
for the purpose of getting rid of the international duties on
Germany. They should also look to the depressed state
of the manufacturing population of this country, and if
they did not think the Corn-laws were the cause of the
distress, they ought at all events to inquire into the
cause. .A paper had been put into his hand this morn-
ing, to show that the same quantity of provisions which
a certain body of workmen could purchase in 1835 for
12,0001. would now cost 18,0001. It was a mistake
to suppose that wages would rise in this ratio of fifty
per cent. Nothing could be more erroneous than to sup-
pose that wages rose in proportion to the increase in the
price of provisions. The contrary was the fact, on the
very case to which he referred—for, in 1335, the wages
of these persons were higher than in 1840.—(Hear.)
Lox d KENYON inquired, did he mean to apply that
doctrine to agricultural districts ?
Earl FITZWILLLAM said he meant to apply it
generally.
Lord KENYON—Then it is not true ; in the districts
with which I am acquainted, the wages have risen in
proportion to the price of food.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM was aware that in some
places there had been an advance of wages. But that
was confined to agricultural labourers, and it was not
universally the case with them. The first effect which
the rise in the price of food occasioned, was to
injure the condition and the comforts of all clasaes
of labourers, but especially of the manufacturers.
The next effect was, to injure trade and manufactures
generally ; and, in fact, there had been a continual
deterioration of the state of this country for years
past. It was worse last year than the year before,
and worse this year than last. In the prices of our ma-
nufactures there had not been an increase concurrently
with the scarcity of food—on the contrary, there
had been a decline.—(Hear, hear.) In our exports-
(except to the colonies, of which we had a monopoly)
there had been a decrease as he had said, especially of
finished goods ; for instance, though there had been
no decrease in the export of yarn, there had been in the
export of cloth. The Noble Earl concluded by presenting
a petition from Manchester in favour of the alteration of
the Import Duties on Corn, Timber, and Sugar.
The Earl of RIPON denied that the argument which
the Noble Earl attempted to draw from the sup-
posed decrease of our exports applied to those
countries (Russia, Germany, Holland, and -Belgium).
which would be effected by any reduction of our
Corn-laws. Besides, the Noble Earl was not correct in
stating that there had been a gradual decrease in the
value of our exports of late years. By returns which
were laid on the table in 1839, and which had since been,
carried down to the close of last year, it appeared that
the official value of our exports was, in
1829 £61,152,000
1830
1831
1832
1833
1834
1835
1836
1837
1838
1839
1840
—(Much cheering.) It was true that in these years there
was some fluctuation, but, looking at the whole period,
there was, in fact, a gradual increase instead of diminu-
tion.—(Cheers.) He had also returns of the declared
value, which v, al somewhat different in the amount, but
the result was the same, that. is, they showed a gradual
increase. The returns relating to the exports to Russia,
Germany, Hungary, and Belgium showed the same in-
crease as the general exports in the same years. They
were as follows in
1829 £13,651,000
1830
1831
1832
1833
1834
1835
1836
1837
1838
1839
—(Cheers.) He knew that the Noble Earl would say
that although the statement might be true that the
amount had been increased, yet the profits had di-
minished, because the goods exported were for the most
part unfinished. But that was not the case, especially as
regarded the exports to the countries to which he had re-
ferred. The decrease in the perfectly Manufactured articles.
was very small, while the increase on both was enormous.
He could not see what possible injury could be done to the
spinner of wool by any decrease in the exportation
of manufactured articles. Take a series of periods, each
containing four years. In the first the export amounted
to 2,191,000/. ; in the second four years it was 2,399,000/.
in the third period it was 2,011,0001. ; the middle period
was much the largest ; but there was this singular cir-
cumstance attending it—that period comprised the years
1833, 1834, 1835, and 1836. Now these four years coin-
prised the period when corn was at the lowest price, and
when consequently the duty was highest.—(Cheers.)
During that period the export of cotton manufactured
goods was the greatest.—(Cheers.) He did not want to
draw any unreasonable inferences from the fact, but he
thought it was enough to make their Lordships pause
before giving implicit credence to the statements of the
Noble Earl.—(Hear, hear.) As far as he was indivi-
dually concerned, he had never supported any Corn Bill
whatever, except upon the most sincere conviction that
it was a necessary evil, in order to prevent this country
from being-dependent for its subsistence upon foreign coun-
tries. He could bear his testimony to the faithfulness of the
picture drawn by the Noble Earl of the Noble Duke
(Rutland), whose virtue and benevolence were the admi-
ration of all who knew him. He hoped the same feelings
would animate him in the management of that great pro-
perty which it had pleased God to bless him, and how-
ever inferior others might be to him in property, rank,
and public estimation, he hoped they might all put in a
claim to be influenced in the matter not by the wretched
and miserable and selfish objects which are sometimes
ascribed to them, but by_ an anxiety to do their duty to
those who looked up to them for support.
The Duke of RUTLAND said that although he dif-
fered on many points of national policy from the Noble
Earl opposite, he always had, always would attribute to
him as the motives by which his public conduct had been
swayed, those of pure patriotism and public benevolence.
He could not help thinking that if they legislated for
ages, they could not enact anything. better than a duty
which would be in the inverse ratio of the price—that
was to say, that when the price was high the duty should
decrease, and when it was low the duty should be such
as would promote the interests both of the home-grower
and the consumer. In the district in which he resided
the farmers, greatly to their credit, and also to those
beneath them, without any application, raised the wages
of the labourers from 12s. to 14s. and 15s. a week. That
rate continued until No;ember, when he (the Duke of
Rutland) reduced his men from 14s. to 12s. a week. But
he had the gratification to say, that many of the farmers
around him continued to pay their men from 12s. to 15s.
a week. He could state that the labourers generally
would infinitely prefer having the corn at a rennine-
rating price to their employers, than to have wages low,
and corn at a price which would not remunerate them.
He had adduced the opinion of a body of labourers On
the subject, and he was not afraid that their Lordships
would slight the petition of the humblest classes of her
Majesty's subjects upon any question of national policy,
especially on so important a question as the Corn-laws.
The Earl of STRADBROKE said, with reference to
the observation of the Noble Earl (Ripon); that in
1834-5 the price of labour in the east of England was
Bs. per week ; but when corn rose, wages rose also to
Its. a week, at which they now stood.
.. Earl FITZWILLIAM said, that he conceived the
fact of the rise of wages, as stated by the Noble Earl,
to result very much from the -operation of the Poor laws..
was about to show to the Noble Earl . (Ripon) that.
they. both perfectly agreed on this point. The Noble
Earl'-had read .a table; .by which it appeared that oar
exhorts of half-manufactured goods had much increased;

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of which he (Earl Fitzwilliam) had no doubt ; but 'that
table also showed that the export of complete manufac-
tured goods had diminished, and this appeared to him
(Earl Fitzwilliam) to be one of the most alarming symp-
toms of the state of our manufactures—(Hear, hear)—
our exports being that on which the least amount of
labour was expended. He quite agreed with the Noble
Duke that their Lordships' ear would he opened to the
petitions of the humblest classes of the community, but
there were humble classes in the manufacturing as well
as the agricultural districts—(Hear, hear)—and all he
desired of their Lordships was, that they would open
their ears as much to the manufacturing as to those of
the agricultural poor, and see whether there were any
grounds of complaint against these laws. He gave the
Noble Earl full credit that his sole object was to make
the country independent of foreign countries for supply,
but if this were the object of these laws, all he could
say was, that they had not been fortunate in their re-
sult. The only question for their consideration, was the
mode and circumstances under which they could obtain
the supply. That they must have a supply there could
be no doubt.
s The Duke of WELLINGTON, who was very indis-
tinctly heard, said that from the year 1829 to the year
1841 the official value of exports of British and Irish
produce and- manufacture produced an increase from
56,217,000/. to 102,715,572 i., and the declared value
from 10,148,3051. to 41,468,409/. • The Noble Duke,
after noting a table of the exports of cotton and cotton.
manufactures, which was quite inaudible in the gallery,
said that these papers showed that the manufactures and
commerce of the country could not be considered as in a
very unprosperous state, either: in reference to
quantity or value. The prosperity of manufactures
must depend on the general prosperity. The
,Corn-laws were supported, not with a view to the ad-
vantage of any particular interest or class of men, but
with a view to render the whole country independent of
foreign nations in respect to its supply of food. He be-
lieved that all parties would best consult their interests
in the attainment of this object.—(Hear.) Undoubtedly
it was impossible for. the agricultural interest to flourish
without their Lordships, and other great proprietors,
deriving some advantage from it ; but he would give
their Lordships credit for higher motives—they supported
the law for the sake of the people themselves.
The Earl of RADNOR denied the: the present Corn-
law had answered its purpose, for during the 11 years
previous to 1839 we had imported more corn than in any
11 years before ; it had, therefore, not rendered us in-
dependent of foreign countries for nor supply
of food.—(Hear.) The Noble Duke (Rutland)
had said that the price of wages had risen with the price
of corn, but that had not been the case in the
South : indeed wages did not at all depend upon the
price of corn, but upon the supply and demand for corn.
The fact was, as had been stated by his Noble Friend,
that the export of finished goods had diminished in pro-
portion to the unfinished. In 1829 the proportion was
61,000/. of perfect goods to 39,000/. of unfinished. In
1839 the proportion was exactly the reverse. It was
68,0001. imperfect to 32,000/.* of perfect. This was a
great injury to the operative, who • lost the employment
which would be derived from finishing, and that too the
most valuable part of the employment. The Noble
Earl then read letters from Stockton and Ashton, and
other manufacturing towns, to show the extreme distress
that prevailed in those towns from want of employment,
and the high price of provisions. In Ashton the mills
were working only four days a week, and then on short
time. The Noble Earl then reverted to his former statement
that the exports of wheat from Ireland and Scotland had
diminished. He had again examined the official re-
turns, and he found that what he had said was correct,
although he regretted that he should have given offence
by that statement to Noble Lords connected with those
parts of the United Kingdom.
The Earl of HADDINGTON and the Earl of WEST-
MEATH protested that they had not taken offence at the
Noble Earl's statement.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said that the export of
manufactures had increased as 100 to 1 since the enact-
ment of the present Corn-laws, and the declared value
had been more than double.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord ASHBURTON could not deny that distress ex-
isted in the manufacturing districts, but he was convinced
that the measure contended for by the Noble Earl opposite
(Fitzwilliam) would greatly aggravate rather than remedy
it. The greatness of the manufactures had grown up
with the Corn-laws. It had run up with occasional
checks, and with alternations of prosperity and distress,
but still it had run up since the enactment of those very
Corn-laws, and no country in the world ever presented
such an accumulation of wealth' as this during the last
twenty-five years. Of the sixty millious sterling that had
been invested in railway eaterprises, at least fifty mil-
lions came from the manufacturing towns.—(Hear,
hear.) Possessing such wealth, notwithstanding the oc-
casional fluctuations inseparable from trade, they ought
not to seek to depreciate other interests and to destroy
their own home market.—(Cheers.) The Noble Lord
complained of the agitation which had been got up on
this subject for party and factious purposes, for which
all the great interests of the country had been thrown
'to a most injurious state of suspense.—(Hear, hear.)

Earl HARbWICKE said the Governmeft now pro-
posed to raise more revenue from bread than had ever
been done before. That was the way they proposed to
relieve the manufacturer.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM said it was a way in which the
manufacturer would be pleased to be relieved.
Lord ASHBURTON said the Government had been
agitating the country from one end to the other through
the officers of the Board of Trade, who had given the
most exaggerated accounts before the Committee of the
other House—such accounts as could not have stood for
a moment before al-,y one holding different opinions, or
had they been cross-questioned.
The Earl of CLAIIENDON begged to be allowed to
give an unqualified denial to the assertion that the Go-
vernment had been agitating throughout the country
upon this question. The country generally took a very
different view of the Report of the Committee on
Lu-
port Duties from what the Noble Lord did. In his
opinion it was the most important document ever put
forth by any Committee. It had been translated into
almost every language, and was deeply studied on the
Continent. No less than 46,000 copies of it had been
sold to parties who paid for them—of course they wanted
them, or they would not have parted with their money.
--(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord might call it
absurd, shallow, and empirical, but the country
were of a different opinion—the Report was the
fair result of the evidence laid before the Committee ;
however, there was nothing in the Report half so vala-
able as the former speeches of the Noble Lord.—(Hear.)
In the year 1815 the Noble Lord said the duty on corn
cost the country eighteen millions and a half and not for
revenue, but that was the sum put into the pockets of
the landlords ; and calculating _up to the present period,
by the showing of the Noble Lord himself, the country
had paid between three hundred and four hundred mil-
lions. Was there anything more extravagant than that,
in the evidence given before the Committee ?
The Earl of WICKLOW blamed the Government for
giving up their own convictions for the mere purposes of
party.

Liird ELLENBOROUGH said the witnesses before
the Committee were not cross-examined. Had any one
been there holding contrary opinions the result would,
undoubtedly, have been very different.
The Earl of RADNOR said the Committee was fairly
constituted, and consisted of half from one side and half
from the other side of the House. If any Hon Member
had entertained an opinion of the evidence such as the
Noble Lord, it was his duty to have attended and sifted
the matter.

The Marquis of NORMANBY denied that any change
had been made in the intentions of the Government by
recent events. Every part of their plan had been de-
cided upon long before the Easter recess.
Earl FITZWILLIAM presented a petition from the
Corporation of Manchester and numerous other places,
praying for the repeal of the Corn-laws ; and one from
Peterborough, praying for a revision of the Import
Duties.

The Marquis of NORMANBY laid on the table the
Sixth Report of the Commissioners on Criminal Lav,-,
and the Ninth Report of the Board of Public Works in
Ireland.

The Earl of RADNOR presented petition; praying for
the abolition of Church• rates. from several places.—
Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 17.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual time.
The Loverington Inclosure Bill was read a third time,
and passed, on the motion of Mr. YORKE.

Sir C. GREY presented a petition from North Shields
against the Newcastle-upon-Tyne Improvement Bill.
The South Metropolitan Gas Bill was read a second
time, and ordered to be committed.
LOUGH FOYLE DRAINAGE BILL.

Sir M. WOOD moved the second reading of the Lough
Foyle Drainage Bill.
Captain JONES opposed the second reading of the
Bill, on the ground that there was already a Bill before
the House which would answer every purpose contem-
plated by the present measure.

Sir A WO-OD defended the Bill. He was surprised
at the Hon. Member's opposing the measure, as it was
his own propoSition.
Mr. B. WOOD felt bound, in justice to the Hon.
Membe'r opposite (Captain Jones) to state that there had
been one petition presented against the measure.
Colonel. CONOLLY asserted that the Bill now be-
fore the House was not the Bill that had been intro-
duced by his Hon. Friend (Captain Jones). He had been
instructed by his constituents to oppose the measure, on
the ground that it would release the original parties from
their engagements, and would substitute a stock jobbing
arrangement that would not be satisfactory to them.
After a short conversation,
Sir M. WOOD proposed to withdraw the motion for
the second reading, but this was resisted.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the House
divided, when there appeared—
. For the second reading 5B
Against it 7B
Majority against the Bill —2o
On our return to the gallery w e found
Mr. BRISCOE on his legs. He assured the House
that he had no knowledge whatever of the irregularity
that had taken place connected with the measure. Be
hoped the House would allow a new Bill to be introduced
that day week.
Colonel CONOLLY would object to any proposition
of the kind. He had been requested by all parties in
Ireland to endeavour to throw out the Bill. He had no
doubt whatever that fraud had been committed ; and
although he did not impute a knowledge of that fraud to
any Hon. Member of that House, it was their duty to
ascertain, if possible, where it originated.
On the motion of Mr. KEMBLE, the amendments to.
the Hawkluirst Junction Road Bill were considered, and
the Report received.
'On.the motion of Sir. T. FREMANTLE, the Great
Norwood' Inclosure Bill was read a third time and
passed,

EVENIN G EDITION.

CHURCH EXTENSION.'
Sir R. INGLIS postponed his' motion with rear°
. to Church Extension till after Whitsuntide.
Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD gave 'ilbtice that
should, in Committee on the Poor;lnw. Bill, move Cll
clauses with respect to.medical assistance.'
The Birmingham and Hayley-road Bill was 111'd
third time and passed.
SUGAR DUTIES. -
Lord J. RUSSELL having moved ' the Order of lb
Day for renewing the adjourned debate. . '
Mr. WYNNE expressed a hope that, considering th:
was the seventh night the question had been discuss!:
the Noble Lord would allow them to proceed to a th`l,
sion.—(Great laughter.) He felt that the understgiTt
ing which he asked for was not an unusual one, that t;
debate should not be again adjourned, but that they. SIWT.
be allowed to proceed to a division. If the.Pon.lllel'',l,,
fur Salford, who took such great care of 'their hea',',.
would for that night refrain from moving' the ati.i`n`sl
mcnt, and allow them to proceed to a division, it `.,„ ti
greatly accommodate the House, and tend to the disP'
of public business.—(Hear, hear.) 'Alt
Lord JOHN RUSSELL could assure the PI,
Hon. Gentleman that he had no wish to protract the
.( ,
bate unnecessarily ; but while there were Hon. Merabe;c7tr
the House who represented constitmencies cLeplY 'n,,,
rested in the question—(Loud cries of " Hear, 'heat ':' it
he should take no steps to prevent them expressing tae"
opinions on the subject.
Iris h ,f
Mr. BUOTHERTOI,7 said that if it was the I."' 0
the House to come to a division, he certainly slwt`j,,,
not interi;ose, but there Were more than adozen o°l
men on his side of the. House who were anxious to sPe
on the subject.—(Crics of " Oh, oh.") I,•tavtl
Mr. HUME presented a petition from the inllauhat
of King'sLLynn approving of the Ministerial Lae"-be- t
for the reduction of the duties on corn, sugar, and o'l,ol
—also petitions from 50 agriculturists of Barton cl;
Huraber,praying that all taxes on food might be retool
di
from 400 inhabitant:; - of llathgate, for the ra,sl.ol
of all restrictions on trade ; and from 283 inhabtj 0! 1
of a parish in Forfarshire, for a total rePeg',‘ "
dat.,
but o and an equalization of the import it.o,
The Hon. Gentleman also resented several Pat"l.4,
from Uxbridge, Denham, hillindon, Rickmans"ea'o'd
and other places in Middlesex, generally' to the I
abet.

the Mr. WILBRAHAM presented a petition from La the
shire, praying the House to institute an inquiry into
hest mode of protecting the landed interest. frO
Mr. HODGSON presented several petitions
Kent against any alteration in the Corn-laws. a e
31r. BROTHERTON presented a petition sign'' e't of
12;255 inhabitants of Salford, praying for a repeal
the Corn-laws.
Mr. GIIOTE presented petitions from the me
polio to the same effect, and a petition frein or fo,
of London, agreed to at a public meeting, prayii=e, as
mitigation of the import duties, and the adoption 0'
commercial measures of the Ministry. ' A"'
Mr. MACAULAY presented a petition from .
burgh, in favour of the commercial measures of
Government. •
vides
Mr. WARD presented several petitions from the t
of Sheffield to the same effect. TrAti"
Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE presented petitions from ,-ioer
ford, and other places, praying, for a repeal Of the "
laws. and a revision of the import duties.
Mr. Alderman HUMPHERY presented a Pe the
from the parish of St. Saviour's, in Southwark, t 0
same effct.
lsc°
Mr. LANGDALE presented a petition from 11 Per,
in the West Riding of Yorkshire, with a similar pr3).t-be
Lord POWERSCOURT presented a petition the
Corporation of Bath (as we understood) in favour "
commercial policy of the Government.—{" Hear, I),eestl
on the Ministerial benches.) The Noble Lord blTete
leave to add, that out of a Corporation of fifty-eil,
,ett;
were but twenty-six present when the petition
agreed tt).
Mr HEATHCOTE presented a petition against
• alteration in the Corn-laws.
el ill
Sir H. FLEETWOOD presented a petition sign:'}
1,500 inhabitants of Preston, which represented diet too,
were now upwards of 1,200 empty houses in that sati
and praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws. -A-ts(?til A
signed by 5,000 females in the same town, - and
similar prayer.
Mr. B. WOOD presented a petition from a piling
meeting held in the Town-hall of Southwark, pm
for rile:al of the Corn-laws.
T 'd3le°
. FILMER presented a petition 3-34 or.
and another place, against any alt ration xi the
C°
laws.
Mr. BROADLEY presented a petition to 'at' 53.111e'
effect.
eabi
Mr. P. AINSWORTH presented a petition; ligin 1,bo•
15,000 inhabitants of Bolton, praying for a speedY
lition of the Corn-laws.
outh
Mr. INGHAM presented a petition from - s
Shields against any alteration in the timber duties. efisit
Sir DE LACY EVANS - presented petitions '
various parishes in Westminster; from Bethnal-qi!,
from Whitechapel, . from 'Hackney; from Saffrot?: the
from Shoreditch, and from various other • perishel
county of -Middlesex, in favour of the Ministerial i'
position, and praying for a repeal of the Corn-laws'oolt
Colonel SALW EY presented a petition from Col11,11:e of
Dale signed by 570 persons, praying for the abo!LATiee,,
the Corn-laws ; also a petition from Wenlock, atatreu":4
the present deficient supply of food was a fruictfurns...?
of disease, and praying for a total repeal of the o_ast
Mr. OSWALD presented a petition from 6-1
praying for a total repeal of the Corn-laws, and for
vision of the Customs Duties.;
•Con 9
Mr - DENNISTOUN presented thirty-nine petis*
one of which was signed by 6,000 persons, praying
total. repeal of the Corn-laws, and a revision of the
port Duties. .
Sir B. HALL presented a petition from
praying for-a total repeal of the Corn-laws. .11 0,
Mr. BAINES presented a petition from Leeds
our of the Ministerial measure.
rarie.°
Mr. VILLIERS presented petitions from cora-
places in Lancashire, praying for a repeal of the „r
laws ; also a petition signed by 1,133 working ?tiqi' 'the
Marydehea6
Lewes, repudiating the idea that wages rose with sot
rise in the price of corn, stating that their wagesh'-ol
risen during the last three years—(Hear,
praying fl a total repeal of the• Corn-laws. • of
Mr. M. PHILIPS presented petitions in fav°'lr,,ei
the measures proposed by her Majesty's -Ministers, fi.
several parts of Manchester. - • •
Mr. tf,laney presented similar petitions from Slirolf
bury ; General Johnson from Lincoln ; MisTh°etl,
from Tunstall ; Sir George Staunton from Portsln°'
and Mr. C. Buller from Stone.
ADJOURNED DEBATE.
• urn'd
On the Order of the Day, for resuming the 4llJ°
Debate being read,
;Sir C. GREY proceeded to address the House
rfia
ant
considerable noise, which prevented the commetfejetfr
of his observations from reaching the gallery. Tu° 1,0'3
Baronet was understood to say, that it appeared to
that on the present all-important question the Pro is
ings in which they were engaged did not place the-o3t.the
very advantogeousposition in the eyes of the people, pro'
United Kingdom, or in those of the world. These west
ceedings had a tendency in their consequences
not only inconvenient, but dangerous. On the %th elf
May the Order of the Day for the House resolving tot
into a Committee of Ways and Means had been 'll_B`,ltat,d
That was a motion which he believed no one fxj
deny Must be acceded to almost immediately wore
if the present Chancellor- of the Exchetpier the
to abandon his place, and any Gentleinan,ilt
Opposition side of the House was to be pio'-iirst•
that situation, that motion would be the verY tye
-
which would be brought forward. 'What, then,' iva-,eo
ground upon which so necessary a questilo-00,
opposed ? What necessity was there for go' aid •
on the opposite side to take the course that :theYgoase'
That motion stood on the apers of the „ the
It was a motion which would be proposed eveliPle tar'
Members of the Opposition themselves. 1.1m19,4 t tjt
circumstances of the ease, the House had a ,rib
expect that the amendment of the Noble, eonl°
would propose some practical object, o°,
measure equally important with that of the
vernment. The amendment merely stated fji;it
the
House would not accede
.to any alteratiolie(e)i
ptiee
sugar duties, and that for two reasons:
alleged in the first place that the examniejw-
set in attempting the abolition of slav{:w; -11?°
-
not yet been brought forward by other nations, t
it would be improper, on our part, to recede fr i , it
course we had taken.; and, in the ;second I:2;4sate.
was said that there was now a sufficient sIIPIAYTTsw
from our own colonies for the ensuing ycar7d-..psiivell
latter assumption was flatly, plainly,
sfrt',, 'ladle co'
contradicted by the five agents from the Iv us,- -crows 00
lonies, who had signed a paper laid before the'N;,,,,,,„0"
Friday, remonstrating against the measnie-of tht4 uu tie
went. In the next place, he did nOtfihNiklha*,,e,
House would be justified,' from the
,nfted' i•ticoullger
ment to the slave trade; to refuse /the Rigor Of ec,„tc•
countries under the present exigencies of the'
CY
On these grounds he did not understand on what 1111.-rr
plc the amendment' of the Noble Lord could h' „
ported—(Hear, hear)—and he believed that the le:rtli°4l;
the either side, whenever they attained power, wordd
that amendment as speedily as possible to be burie‘•
oblivion.—(Hear, hear.) The grounds upon whit'i;'o
was supported were not adopted by many Gentleine,t;
the other side. The Hon. Member for the Universl,44
Oxford repudiated it ; he said he would not nam-1" be
foreign sugar until slavery should be every Where itir,o-
lished, while the Hon. Member for Antrim said tha'ao-
thing could save the West Indians from ruin, hut L'aj t'
hibiting duty. The Hon. Member for Beverley ha Fa
peered there as the organ of the Directors of tit b
India Company, and he must say that, recollecting wit
recently they had reprobated the monopolizing et slaieit
of the West Indian body which opplesd
being placed upon a commercial equality wit thems-jpcilt;
thleteyt4lotuargllothittailnvaesd.ntioiet
ecorentsasbiolenstti,het:i, .rmqs
round and try to prevent foreign nations,
placed upon an equality with themselves, but froulcii of
ing the advantage which might accrue from a rein° fola
absolute prohibition, so that they might enter the ead:'
of competition. On :?rat side of the House the ''''ffol°
meat would be supported by gentlemen differing_ tieq
the purposes of it on almost every other point, ,sc:„oct;
the' majority, if majority there were, would he e°,`c-rtol'
IS
of the most heterogeneous materials. The r°b,lo°'
the Member for South Lancashire, and the Hon. moe,
her for Kilmarnock agreed in—principle with th.enli
colter of the Exehequer, and seemed to irnaglioop, _
they might perhaps be'called•on' to support, ere, }ono tr,
soinewhat similar proposition s.While the Noblelleueeed:
Member for South Lancashire' Said sugar,i,%l‘.s
tion- to the general principle. 'Under these eireneer
he hoped the Right Hon. Baronet the -Memho',l;ato ca'
worth would, during' the course ihe deb. 401'e-set-water.
plieitly Elie principle With which the .prir_OPt.re_t"fbe Wee°
hy the ChantielTer ExclieqUer was 0 fi,r
Before that took place, he 'VMS anxious to statt~' Oil
which tesSeiitcde.heart and sOnt,,t,o -fnigcoequet
satisfaction Of his own constittiency,
sores pronosed by the
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