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London, England, 1841-06-05 00:00:00

MORNING EDITION
%ate class designated by the supporters of her Majesty's celovern•
anent, the grinders of the poor and monopoLsts.—(lleanhear.
Gentlemen who went to the country not on any define'
and general pr'nciple, but simply and plainly on thiequestion
would they not do away with the various monopolies.—(Minis,
terial cheers.) They were going then to induce the consti•
tnencies of the country to return such a Home of Common:
its would effectually put down the great interests which these
Hon. Members were pleased to call monopolies, and Of which
. that with which the landowners were connected was the first,
• the greatest, and the must atrecious.—(llear, hear.) That
was then the question upon which they were about to go to
the country. It was upon that that the Ministry were seek-
ing the support and countenance of the present House of
Commons. 'I he Noble Lord the Member fur LincOlnshire
had asked how could he refuse to vote confidence in a Go-
yennment when he entirely concurred in the measures they had
ere ied, and those they had abandoned. The Noble Lord
adored that he was going to vote confidence in them, because
nett week they were going to bring forward the important
Measure on which they rested the whole fate of the Govern-
ment._ (Cries of " No, no.") lie really did not tin& stand
them, but he thought they had risked their seats upon the
failure of these measures. They certainly had not risked them
on the question of the sugar duties.—( Renewed cheers.)
Well, then, he would say that the measure which they con-
sidered the most important was to be brought forward next
week, raid the Noble Lord would not vote a want of confidence
in them because he was convinced of this, that however
loudly they talked, and however much they pledged them-
selves to pretending to bring it forward, he knew they had not
the power to carry it. The argument was certainly a singular
one.—( Hear, hear.) He had lately seen in one of the papers
deporting the measures of the Government, and supposed to
be one of its organs, a statement that, after all, the motion of
his Right Hon. Friend might be an advantage to the Govern-
tent—that its failure might give them time to organize the '
constituencies—to excite the people, and to make preparations,
ht consequence of which upon a dissolution, they would have
a better chance of defeatiry the agricultural interests. —(Loud
cheers.) He did not think they would venture to take the
esrurse recommended by their organ. Suppose the House was
equally divided, and that the fate of the motion depended on
two to three votes, and that these were the three votes:of the
three Members of the most agricultural county in England,
he would put it to the consideration of these Hon. Gentlemen
Whether their vote in favour of the Gov, rnment on the pre-
sent occasion would be balanced by their vote against them on
the Corn-laws.—( Cheers.) The matter of the accusation
brought against him (Lord Stanley) by the Hon. Gentleman—
Whereas, in the year 1834, he bad declined to form a part in
te Administration of the Right Hon. Member fur Tamworth,
fronnhis not having confidence in the measures which the
/tight Hon. Baronet might propose, and that he had declared
that he would not, therefore, take on himself a share of the
official responsibility ; and whereas, he (Lord Startle)) had
!saute that statement, he nevertheless, was prepared to offer
his most cordial concurrence in all political questions menet-
log from the Right Hon Baronet, end to take upon himself
nis humble share in whatever responsibility was to come—the
Charge of inconsi.teney involved in that accusation he (Lord
'Limey) did not think it worth his while to refute. He would
Prefer submitting entirely to the weight of the accusation. But
a,,!thongh it might be, as it really was to him (Lord
tantcy) a matter of the greatest indifference whether
the Ilonourable Gentlemen (Mr. Handley) wrote him-
self down a Tory or any thing else, he (Lord Stanley) must
say that it startled him to hear from the Hon. Gentleman, at a
time when he was talking about inconsistency, belying the
Whole course of his previous life—( Opposition cheers)—by now
writing himself down a Whig. He (Lord Stanley) believed
Were elms no doubt that, whatever the Hon. Gentleman's opi-
nions aught be now, from the year 1820 to 1826, ,he had not
the least hesitation in writing himself down a Tory. The
1100. Gentleman, if he (Lord Stanley) was not very much
. Mistaken, was one of the warmest supporters of Lord Liver-
P°°l. In 1825 the Hon. Gentleman gave his vote in opposi-
, sition to a suction even to inquire into the justice of the Roman
Hon-
claims. At a subsequent period, at a time when the
°on- Gentleman was not in Parliament, when a gi ound of
• complaint which he le3d against the administration of his
(Lord Stanle's) Right Honmirable Friend and the
buke of Wyellington was, that they had conceded
Catholic Emancipation; and it was not till Earl Grey
Farne to the head of affairs that the Honourable Gentleman
oeearne a consistent Whig.—( Conservative cheers.) It was
?roved oltat the Hon. Gentleman was every constant supporter
Lord Giey's, as he was of Lord Liverpool's Admnistraon.
When his (Lord Stanley's) Right Hon. Friend i
cameonto
?ffice, if be was not mistaken, 'the Hon. Gentleman consulted
4ini as to the course he ought to take on that occasioa, as he
(Mtn Handley) did not like to give a, refusal to the supporters
of the Right Hon. Baronet. Although he (Lord Stanley)
could not claim to himself the honour of having lung retained
the office of adviser to the Hon. Gentleman—( Cheers and
laughter fro n the Opposition)—he found that either according
to his adti es, or to Its own inclination, the Hon. Gentleman
:voted in favour of Mr. Manners Sutton against the Speaker
roposad b the other s.de. But Government were subse.
eutly put in a minority, and thus lost the support of the
Itt Gentleman.—( Cheers and laughter from the Opposition)
and from that time to the prese"t he (Lord Stanley) was ready
to, admit the Hon. Gentleman had been as steady a suppurter
of Lord illelbourne's Administration as he was isreviousls of
the Administration of the Earls Grey and Liverpool. The
hon. Member for Shropshire said that great statesmen were at
tittles cnustrained to be guilty of great inconsistencies ; and if
Sgreat statesmen were guilty of great inconsistencies, he (Lord
taley ) thought that they ought to Lane great mercy
t hose who, at an humble distance, followed
in their sneps.—(Cheets and laughter.) The Hon. Gentle-
intn should .abstain from is eking those personal charges, more
",,tliocialls as he was so subject himself to be retorted on. The
itra. Gentleinan had been pleased to ask his (Lord Stanley's)
"ls ht Hon. F. lend, what answer he should give to the farmers
")f Lincoln, and what would be his future policy in the Govern-
met it of the country, stating at the same time that the farmers
"le eltrem ely alarmed at that policy. He ( Lord Stanley)
•
Was inclined to think that when the Hon. Gentleman met the
fain era of Lincoln, he would have quit© enough to do in answer-
ing for himself, without taking on himself the somewhat
sopeefluous task of answering for others. `ow, he
(Lord Stanley) thought Government had no right at all to ex-
tt‘tt that his Right Hon. Friend should state in detail what
conrse would bP in the possible event of his being charged
responsib lity. He (Lord Sauley) recollected
tnnt•ln, IfTien:lv, a ereat Whig authority, used always to say
o te duty of an Opposition was very light—that A was to
Z, to everything, to propose nothing, and to turn out the
to hr dot
That was the pillitical creed of Mr. Tierny as
sa ill,' drily of an (typos tion ; and now he ( Lord Stanley) must
Y,tilat if ever there was an Opposition which had gone out. of its
t. depart from that ccurse—if ever there was an Opposition
.Ich hesitated to embarra.s the Government in the measures
11. 'Y braceght forward, if ever there was an Opposition which
't
Pot acted factiously, but hail given their best advice in
-Resting- alterations and improvements, and carrying such
Aifications ae would insure to their measures the legislative
ClSl 4C'tiOrl of the other House, it was the Opposition that sat
1- : irsite the Noble Lord. But lie must say, although they
et 4 not ,ttred peen a faction; Opposition, although they had endea-
perfor their duties by
supgportiving, whout
such
ettil'asur" of the Government as were well founded.
l there was' a time when the duty of forbearance
j halal Opposition became a crime against the people of Eng-
Rene There was a time when the measures of their iniquities
,`Tfull.__( Cheers.) There a time when, if they no
Vger• took the voice
of friendly a
wnrning, they must receive
en ni?, tr hints, and forbearance must be at an end ; and he
ey hope that the House of Commons had come to that
pe"t of aurbearance, as he had no doubt whatever that the
L'Ple or Errgland already had.—(Cheers.)
°r(l RUSt-ELL said that he considered it his
he to teak till a lave period of the debate, in order that
bee ,might hear the various al egations which would
i 4 brought forward—the 'stations charges which would be ad-
4.7ced to ,support of the motion of the Right Hon. Baronet.
I.(Loref John Russell) most say, that admitting the great
a,h
Y and'. eloquence with which that motion was supported-
-4:07,44ting, the very great numbers who were likely in the divi-
eei; '0 Dive their assent to it, yet that that motion lay in the
ere, 't flf the Constitution—that that motion was founded in
T, merit', he (Lord J. Russell) did not believe,—( Cheers-
u.ne Noble Lord (Loud Stanley) in part of a sentence had said
nt-lat the time was come forthat House to get rid of an Adminis-
let_'°,l ehieh had too long crippled the energies of the country,
r, Tr, that was the proper charge to bring against the present
ministration. If they had brought forward the charge—if
r.leY had supported it by argument—that the present Admini-
titration had crippled the energies of the country, he should he
aO be the last person to deny that the confidence of the House ought
withdrawn from such a Ministry, and that no preroga-
teie ot the Crown, no favour of the Sovereign, ought to pro-
hem from that want of confidence. —( Chet,' s. ) But
;"there tad the enereies of the country been crippled?—(Loud
aleeers.) .Had it ben in the Mediterranean ?—( Cheers.) Ha t
Y keen wanting in supporting their ally the Sovereign of the
urano empire?—(Cheers.) Had it been in India or
Sne inpart of the East ?—( Cheers. ) a the energies o the
FiAlotry been crippled when her MajestyH'sd Representative was
Insulted, confined, and outraged in the ter. itories of the Em-
peror of Clhina?—(Cheers.) He risked had the energies of
r? countries keen crippled in either asserting our policy or in
•Inlitle Sting the tyr ngs which then country had sustained?
peoplelthrect to our colonial possessios, had the energies of the
been cripi led in suppressing the insurrection in Ca-
12ra ? In all points of our colonial possessions were they not
n°W increased in strength, and more firmly attached to nsis
country than bet re ?—(Cheers. ) Was it at home that the
nergies of the ecuntri had been crippled ?—( Cheers.) Had
`insurrection and msubor dinatien gained head, and had the powers
`ta.ft..!ishe lw been found unequal to their task in feeble hands?—
.leTerrast With respect to Ireland, so long a source of cam-
nt a'riO of violent discussion in that House, it had been their
of treat effort to conciliate the minds of the people of that part
It
United Kingdom to the Crown of this country, end was
o„"n land that they had lost the attentions of that generous
rn°l34 :7ent Cheers.) Then he said, how was the Noble Lord
Jo state his charge against them that they bad crippled the
to
of the country?—(Cheers.) And during the whole
plate' ne Hier he (Lord Stanley) nor any other man of the
(tP°'itione feed been able to prove a single charge.—
en °l'd doers. He ( Lord John Russell) was obliged
r at
baeln but he hoped he should not be obliged to do so at
(ollet Tle"ath, abet- the argument of his Right Hon. Friend
d,, C. Hebhouse) en the first night of the debate—but he
ootiged to go back- to the constitutional argument put for-
eer"rd by the Right Hon. Baronet ( general Peei) ohen he
ught fo-ward his reso.tattion. The g argument,as he
aid
J. Russell) unders'ood it, was that, a Ministry which
Conn_ not sufficiently possess. the confidence of the House of
I„hrinen•dais to enable them to carry through the House measures
far, 4 iiiey deemed of essential Importance to the public wel-
,,e4ought not t s continue in office;; and that continuance in
under such eArcumstances was at variance with the spirit
n'i_thtte, Constitution. The Right Hon. Gentleman then, after
e some instanc.es, stated that such was the case with
th
Xtpereisent Ministry, .end that, therefore, their continuance in
nighwas at variance with the spirit of the Constitution. Now
hi-2.rd to the preeeilents which the Right Hon. Gentle- '
broue,les forward to prove his general proposition, it
remarkable that there was hardly an instance which he
lntloned that a' all bore out the arnUment he wished to sup-
shadf:r had: so happened that until %eery late times
t not been the ease that a 'Ministry who were not able to
tbY hrongh that Hot-se leentaei
Infeeestssuute.ae:lhtaan'll
nenteeona.inue nee in office afte'r-suelviede thought
";),1 I
with tse spirit of the Constitution (
I;ts
the
Hon._ lend ( Sir J. C. Hobhouse)had.qTnitCedilTes;no) ent a nit
hr.
et,
I,Ese‘nrae,Alrnini,t lat.ion, of 1717, which was defeated tee' ° Bill; of Sir Robert Walpole, who tea defeated on the
rtlse Hill of air. Pitt, who was defeatedson the Fortifica-
nieresolution, in which he declared that
eft:r fortification of
i,dockyards wee necessary for the safety
he country ;and
n!efarft Liverpsiol, who was defeated On gilestt statements completely contradicted t
he Preoptenretyßligli
nee!een. Baronet. With respect to measures geeneeeaorrarlylya,ilittoh-eays
ssrzY that a Ministry should be able to tined. importan t. But then the Right Honourable Gen-
Ad ten,
.The `‘, then' was the case of Lord North. What :las-
Adr,r7l4 of Lord North ? It was Lord
illinittrk`S_yatitin that Nl*3 condemned by the House. North'sHisad-
celonie:t!* of the powers of the country in a war against our
ion.in America, and the House came to a resolution that
her
of thirteen colonies, after an immense ex
be and treasure, that offensive war ought no lopngerenditure to
aceonti clued, and they afterwards carried out tie motion, and
tryn,` that any one would be an enemy to his King and wan-
ono.xt olt ..4should adiee
.the. King to carry on the war. Was
t7h as Whether the t?: f legnlation?—(Loud cheers)--a question
ao irede red from e period of the Poor-law Commission should
ten years to five 2—(Cheers.) There was
gut Milan that th'at Administration managed the re-

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