The Sun.
London, England, 1840-05-20 00:00:00

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directions to the Committee appointed by Treasury Mi- would rather see the Catholic Emancipation Bill repealed,
mute to include within their Report a new line which has I
for then, though Catholic Members could not be returned
been discovered between Carlisle and Lancaster, by to Parliament, they would have (with the assistance of the
which a portion of two lines, called the Kendal and Lune honest forty-shilling freeholders) the power to return Li-
lines, will be united, giving the town of Kendal the ad- i beral Protestants, who would regard the interests of their
vantage of the railway passing near it, and probably lessen- common country, as they did before, with no vision jeun-
ing the expense between Lancaster and Carlisle. diced by religious or political prejudices—e Hear, hear)—
MEDICAL COMMITTEE, but with a noble emulation to serve their country, without
Mr. FRENCH inquired of the Hon. Member for Brid- the paltry distinction made between Catholic and Protest-
port, whether he would have any objection to name the ant. The Bill would virtually repeal the Relief Bill ; it
day on which be would move for the appointment to re- would do more than that, it would take away from the Ro-
port on the medical evidence taken in 1834? n-an Catholics the property which had been conveyed to
Mr. -WARBURTON could not give an answer to the them by the Constitution, without restoring to them
question without notice.—( A laugh.) the purchase money.—(Hear, hear, hear.) Did the
CHURCH EXTENSION. Noble Lord think that, by that means, he would
Mr. HUM-E had yesterday asked the Hon. Member maintain the stability of the Established Church ? Did
for the University of Oxford, what would be the terms of he mean to do so by the means of perpetual aggression?
his motion relative to a grant of public money for Church The Established Church—be spoke numerically—was an
gxtension. He hoped that motion would not be brought insignificant minority. The Roman Catholics of Ireland
en without an answer being given to that question. was a great majority, which had wonderfully increased
Major CHETWYND moved for a return of the name within a few years in wealth, intelligence, and determi-
of the master of the free grammar school at Sutton Cold- nation. Did the Noble Lord think that such a minority
field is the county of Warwick, the date of his appoint.. could exist in perpetual aggression against such amajority ?
meat, tlie gross amount of rents received in each year, The Noble Lord, in his desire to attack the liberties of
from the day of his appointment to the Ist day of January the Irish people, only looked progressively. The Noble
1840, arising from the school, lands, houses, and other Lord did not take a retrospective view of the circumstances
property ; the name of the person receiving the same; a under which those liberties were achieved. He did not
statement of the exact amount in each year, separately, of compare the condition of Ireland when those liberties were
the sum or sums expended in repairs, and upon what pre- first attempted to be maintained, and the present condition
anises, the names of the persons occupying the said pre- of the people of Ireland when he despoiled them of them.
wises, the amount of loss by bad tenants, and the dates and If the Bill passed, it would shake the very fabric of so.
years of such losses and all other incidental expenses paid defy in Ireland ; it would scatter the seeds of discord is
out of the trust in each year separately ; the exact amount every hamlet and every town ; it would brief
at which the property occupied by the master has been the demagogue ; it would, perhaps, convert the
rated to the poor, and the description of such property ; and patriot into the traitor ; it would justify the language of
the exact amount in each year actually paid to or received by sedition on the principle of right and justice, and it would
the master of the said school as salary, exclusive of the • make many a man exclaim in those spirit-stirring
before-mentioned payments; also, the number of scholars words, the truth contained in them rendering them still
ha each separate year, distinguishing those who were more dangerous--. Nos neque imperium neque divitas
boarders in his house and those admitted on the founda- petimus, sed libertatem quam nemo bonus nisi caeca anima
,
tit)°, and the number at the present time in the school. simul omittet."—( Cheers.)
Sir E. SUGDEN objected to such motions, which he Mr. J. YOUNG said, having the honour to represent
thought only tended to vex and harass parties, without any a very large constituency, he swished to give his support
public good being derived from the returns. to a measure, against which every species of abuse had
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but no di- . been disseminated, but the simple provisions of which
vision took place, the motion having been withdrawn. were directed to remedying great and acknowledged
WAYS AND MEANS. abuses.—( Hear, hear.) The Revisingsßarrister for Ca-
On the 'notion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX- van, in 1832, had stated that the fraud and perjury were
chequer, the Report of the Committee en Ways and revolting beyond measure at elections. Men who would
Means was ordered to be brought up. shrink from falsehood in ordinary circumstances were in-
Mr. HE:MIES did not mean to offer any objection to duced by the influence of political associates, to sour :;gross
the reception of the Report, but he hoped it would not perjury in the revision rooms. It was monstrous to bear
preclude bins from offering any observations lie had to • the Liberal party so crying out about the danger of this
make on a future occasion. course, when they possessed an immense numerical ma-
Mr. HUME begged to ask when the Chancellor of the jority in three out of the four Irish provinces ; and when,
Exchequer meant to afford the Heuse an o!:.portunity of for the last ten years, the whole course of British legisla-
discussing hi; resolutions ? Lion had been directed in accordance with their views.—
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied (Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord, the Secretary for the
on Friday next. Colonies, had made last night a very forcible speech on
The Report was then received, and a Bill ordered to the principle that the franchise ought to be liberally con-
be brought in founded on the resolutions. strued.—( Hear, hear.) But the Noble Lord could not
REGISTRATION OF VOTERS ( IRELAND) AD- defend fraudulent and fictitious votes— ( Hear)—and
JOURNED DEBATE. such alone would bs affected by this Bill.—(Hear, hear.)
The Order cf the Day for resuming the adjourned de- Mr. V. STUART said he was not oppose.: to an
bats on the Registration of Voters (Ireland) Bill having amendment of the registration, but it must not be by cur-
been read, I 1 tailing the franchise—( Hear, hear.) He had a strong
Petitions were presented by Mr. Clive and Mr. Lem, objection to the Bill on principle. He considered it the
in favour of the Bill; end against it by the O'Connor Don, fundamental principle of the Constitution, that the gene-
Mr. W. S. O'Brien, and Mr. Hum sal feelings of the country should be truly represented in
Mr. DILLON BROWNE said i'hat be wished to offer that House—(lmm, hear)—and by persons duly returned
a few ohiereations on this important question, lie Telt it by bona fide majorities of the constituencies-_( Hear, hear)
an imperative duty which he could not neglect ee Tepee- —and he much feared the effect of the Bill would be to
renting one of the largest communities in Irelaiel, to repu- destroy the due and full representation of the people.--
diate in the strongest terrne the measure now hefo ,e the ( hear, hear.) He believed this would be the more ha-
consideration of Parliament, which ought to he culled a portant, as the Irish people were rapidly improving in in-
nseasure for the disfranehisemen: of Ireland. He • fete it as telligence.—( Hear, hear.) The root of the present evil
duty devolved on hie) as representing a large coternueity, was to be found in the very words of the I -ish Ref: rm
for so pernicious were the tendencies of the Bill that in Act—( Hear, hear)—and arose from the difficulties atteud-
proportion as the area of any country was extensive was et ant on the beneficial interest question.—( Hear, hear.)
more fatally affected by it. He seldom took the liberty For his own part, he had every wish that no man should be
of intruding on the time of the Howe, thee which put upon the registry who had not a perfect right to be
he considered ought to be so valuable, knowing that that there ; but he thought that to those who had the right,
which he abstained from doing would be more efficiently every facility ought to be given for its exercise. Every
and agreeably performed by others. But on this present elect ,r ought to look upon the franchise as a trust from hie
occasion he thought that no Irishman who could raise hie country, and instead of locking upon it with apathy, to be
voice should be silent, whatever might be his capacity, as • desirous of exercising it honourably and manfully far the
the peril in which his country W 23 placed called the burn- good of his country.—( Hear, hear.)
bled abilities into action. Indeed, no man ?iced fear to Mr. WILLIAM RO CH E opposed the motion for the
address the Heuse for the virtu 7 'as cause in e..!•,ich he to as I Committee. He had himself presented a great number of
embaideeti, and the undisguised and palpable injury which petitions against the Bill, and he concurred with his con.
was entieevoarel to be done hie eoutitre wood suopiy stituente, and with those ecntlernsn who. on that side of
him title tirat elo,Ttence, ar,d simple end natural argu. the Heuse, had coedernned the Bill ; and he was deter-
!
ments which rasuit from the advocacy of justice and truth. i enined to oppose it in every stage, and upon every clause.
—( Hater, hear.) He hoped that du:ing the course of the 1 He denied that there was a tithe o'the chicanery in Ireland
debate, or during the prottresa of the Bill, that every Irish 1 chat existed in England.—( Hear. hear.) h the promoters
Liberal Member `could boa heard in opposition, fir ;hough td' this scheme were sincere, why did they throw their
lithe might be the effect of persuasier, on Hen. Gentlemen s Meld over the boroughs of Cambridge and Ludlow.—
oppesite, yet it would produce the result that, if the ( Hear, bear.) In his mind there was no mode of arriving
al:ensure passed they would ward (Ares long as possible, so a: purity in the exercise of the franc -ise, or of putting an
e:rest a calamity Iron their countr:e, and would prove how and to intimidation, but by the Ballot.—(dear, hear.' If
much the public mind in Ireland was excited, rind skit a 'hie measure was salutary and necessary, why was it not
dangerous inspeetanee the measure hid Assumed.— ( Near.) i, made n general ore, instead of intimating to the people of
For when humble individuals like himself Is ft their natural i! Irelsnd, that although such a measure dared not be intro -
retirement., and assumed in the proceedings of that House duccd into England, they must digest it.—(Hear.) It
tOu! prominent part of debaters, there could not but he 1V.19 impossib:e teat it should fail to exasperate them.—
.ieaen from it a deduction, which was as true as it Witt; ' (Hear, hear.) It was a mcatare without one redeeming
r.o•tlinie„, and as it wes important, and which might be aptly zeature frost beginning to end, and he would co-operate
tilt:sere:ea by a metapher familiar to all, that the strswa to the utmost in the endeavour to defeat it.
would not be reieed to the surface had the waters not beets Sir GEORGE SINCL AIR, in spite of the argu.
disturbed,—(.Hear.) lie ceneislered the Bill as erneataro ' ments, or he should rather say, is mercy to the speakers
the most nggresteve upon the rnglus of Irishruea, which against the Lid introduced by his Noble Friend, he was
had been intronaseed for a leng lepse of time, nearly- disposed to estimate its advantages to Ireland the more in
iacataive of a century. For since the system of proportion to the bitterness of the opposition.—( Hear.)
legislitiag greivaeces for that country, (which the lie believed the effect of the Bill would be to improve the
.Noble Lora wished to reaew), wan repudiated— morality and to raise the independence of the people of
since penal laws became uufashionable —since the first Ireland.—( Cheers and laughter.) It was only following
exeieessioa was granted to the Reinen Catholic, there, up the spirit of the Catholic Emancipation Bill.—( Cheers
ie-r1 been no attempt so aggressive of public Weeny as: and laughter, and cries of " Oh, oh.") It would emanci-
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that now made upon his liberties—( Hear).—since time i pate ehe peasants from their thraldom to the priests—
Catholic first obtained a footing unan the soil, as times (Loud cheers and laughter)—and from the threats of
advanced the Legislature effected pronressive improve- the demagogue—(Cheers and laughter)—by whom they
meats in his coedition, and elthoneh those improeemente , were driven to reg:ste.r when they had no right, and to vote
`:ally arrived, still there war no ntternot made like that when they had no freedom—(Cheers and cries of " Oh,
to attack existiag privileges, to despoil' the Roman Ca- -, oli")—hy when: they were left no alternative between de-
thelic, without hi 3 consent, of all control ever the ma- 4 grmlation at the hustings, and appalling denunciations
chinert• of legislation.—(Hear.) He thought that if' the
.1 from the altar.—(Laughter, and cries of " Oh, oh.")
Constitution of the country had a rinht to do so, it was i They were enthralled by a faction, which would think it a
dangerous for a Parliament, constituted as the present ' greater offence for a qualified elector to vote for West and
was, to attempt it ; for a Parliament, evidently elected as Hamilton, than to vote by perjury for O'Connell and
h`. was by corrupt means, had no right to meddle with Hutton.—(Hear, from Mr. O'Connell.) The whole
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the constituency of Ireland. Was not the exercise of constituency was aggrieved, and every bona fide elector Lad
power and property to divert the franchise from its pro- a right to complain when any person was admitted to the
per inclination an evidence of the corrupt means by which registry who had no right to be there.—( Hear.) The
that Paranament was elected ? Was cot the endeavour appeal to the Judges was necessary upon disputed claims,
to separate the conscience from 11:0 vote a striking evie. because the Assistant-Barristers who were aspiring to the
deuce of tho fact? Were not ice folios beneath which Bench themaelvss—(Laughter)—knew that they had ro
that table greened detailing fictitious votes, intimidation, chance of promotion but by an unswerving deference to
end corruption, a striking evidence of the feet? Were not one interest.—(Cheers and " Oh, oh !") With respect to
the Reports of the Cambridge and Ludlow Mection Corn- the term of the registry, it appeared to him clear that a
mittees conclusive of this aseumption, that the House wan man would have greater inducement to commit crime if he
eleeted by corrupt means ?—( Flea:- ) And cereeinly the could, enjoy the fruits of it for eight years, than if he could
great purity of that Howe might be well assumed frogs enjoy them only for one.—( Hear.) Ministers introduced
the proceediege en a late occasion, when, in its Con- measures to remedy some of the evils to which this Bill
eervative zeal it forgot the ordinary courtesies of so. piety applied, but abandoned them as if they saw they were de-
end hurried cut a new writ creative of new bribery and stroying the support which kept them in office.—(Tory corruption,—( Hear.) Therefore he thought that aHe use cheers.) His Noble Friend who introduced the Bill ought
s') constituted need fear imminent danger in meddle age to be rewarded with a piece of plate by those who professed
siisib,,the existing liberties of the people. They mu et to desire the independence of the people of' Ireland—
reeeeeet that the governed bad their rights a E (Great laughter)—instead of being called a scorpion.—
wall as the geverning, and that in the cove.. (Renewed laughter.) It was not to be wondered at that
nant between them there were conditions which i the Learned Member for Dublin tock that term up so
it was dangerous for either party to violate. Tho Bill quickly, as he had so often winced from the scorpion's sting.
.before the House went to disfranchise the people of Ire- —( Laughter.) It was said that the number of voters in
iend.—( Hear, hear.) That was distinctly proved by Ireland was too few, but was it fitting that they should be
Hen. Gentlemen who had preceded him, and especially increased by bribery and subornation—by fraud and intim.-
tbe Hon. Hamlet who opened the debate, in a speech i dation ?...-{ Hear.) This was as much a British as an Irish
luminous, temperate, and eloquent..—(Fleas-,) He had 1 question.-(Tory cheers, responded to from the Liberal
proved distinctly that there was no danger of the
great / benches.) Ireland was quiet merely because the popular
evil anticipated by the Hon. Gentlemen opposite—the •' party had all their own way, and the distribution of pa-
swamping of the hona fide voters by the fictitious voter's. I tronage. The Hon. Member for Dublin appeared to have
dale had proved that the constituencies of Ireland we: e
erected a sort of political Papistry; and it was unpardon_
miserably small in comparison to the census of the country. able for any Irish Member to differ from him. If any unfor-
He had given some details which were clear and indite tunate Irish gentleman ventured to think and act for him-
;atable, and he (Mr. B.) would add one to the number, self, the Hon. and Learned Member's decree issued, ":Off La the county which he (Mr. B.) had the honour to repre- •• with his head, so much for Brabazon l"—( Shouts of laugh-
sent, there were 400,000 inhabitants and only 1,600 ter.) He wondered when Irish gentlemen would shake off
electors,..-4 Hear, hear.) As to fictitious voters, the that ignominious bondage. Her Majesty's Ministers were
best test was after a general election, in the consideration reduced to the same state of abject dependence on the
of the number of petitions forwarded to Parliament, and Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin. But that Hon.
the result of those petitions. Netwithstanding the Spot- - end Learned Gentleman had ceased to be his own inter-
tihwoode conspiracy, how little evidence was there of fie- i prefer, and that office had devolved on the Noble Lord the
titious votersopnd wherever that evidence existed, they i Secretary for the Colonies.—( Hear, hear.) The Hon.
had those fictitious voters ranked on tire side of Con- 4ad Learned Gentleman scented to have received a
servatiem. The Liberal party had almost invariably sue- Is tter of license from the Government to do and say
eieded. They had the Dublin, Westmeath, Longford, tv:
'iatever he pleased.—( Hear. ) He came forward in
r • lee, Toughen, Carlow, and other election petitions • Ir .land, and contended fora clistnembermentof the empire,
on the other side there had been only one
or two in-' an d Lord Melbourne, when asked whether he was aware
stances of suceess— ( Hear, hear,tear. ) One of the agitation going on for the Repeal of the Union, got
Of those, the Kinsale election petition, in which ul . with unseasonable jocularity, and made light of the
a Committee of the House admitted fictitious voters, ed dole matter. He (Sir George Sinclair) questioned whe-
contrary to the opinion of the Judges.—( Hear.) The de- th, o• her Majesty's Government would venture to come
Glared object of the Bill w
of England and Ireland, to provide for the admission
and to
aesirni!ate the registrations for ward and express their disapprobation of those pro-
of fictitious voters on the registry,n, lee, lings; but they were conniving at them if they shrank
by annual revision. But
wu That was to be lone i 'reel condemning them.—( Cheers. He had been re.
present Bill e Annihilation." was the covert design of the f scared that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman wore a re-
sieion, under the circumstances, -
pieinth Ireland, meant nothing
r. For annual nevi_ p, tAI bottom No doubt that was a very appropriato
else. The poverty of the peo oru blew of the catimatioe in which he held that question.
the law's delays, the uncertainty'of t‘ h' etylranny of landlords, —( Laughter.) If he could only secure a smooth passage
sat: is of obstacles which the unfortunate earnt had to en- fey
pilgrimage in search
aw, and the thou- ace ohs file Channel, and secure a safe reception, there were
connter in his weary
ramie annual revision little less than totalo the franchise, ad( Tress
- things that would give him so much pleasure as to
a speech to a mixed multitude at the Corn
(Mar, hear.) And then the unfortunate anaihilati"n•— Ea change, where more than one side of' the question
eejoys he right for six months, for if there w,Pasesse ant only wa 3 never heard.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.) He could
made them the assistant barrister in September ahe appeal not • say that be could conclude with the peroration about
cot, a admitted to the right of voting till the subte could gri 'en hills, fertile valleys, or meandering streams ; but he
Reich, and then he only enjoyed it for six months, qwuheennt -we old say to them, .. How grossly have your understand-
%rain his qualification was questioned at the annual revision, ing s been insulted—how wantonly have your feelings been
Why did not the Noble Lord introduce an explicit Bill rlt ited_--how generally have your hopes been disap-
declaratory of his real object, which is an increase of the i-'la ,tad I Mr, O'Connell tells you that he is trying an
qualification of the Irish voter ? Why did he not boldly ;1-7ti -117:eat it is an experiment upon your patience and
attack the franchise and not introduce a cruel and hype- .
„et
4,.1
mni'xYp•
Park and
Was to tell you that he would go to
critical Bill of that kind, which pursued the unhappy pea- .a, a ,en impostor jumpNi ever the moon, you would say he I
sent With the slow and stead.; pace of the wolf, till, exhausted, a•a
tuoch
pro3pee.t
elf a O'Connell knows that he has just 1
he was obliged to yield up all political vitality.—( Haar.) 0 tl: ,err ,':'lest, from firstca
troryilng his measures—he has no
That Billsacrifice, or
but to keep fish the pre-
was admirably illustrative of the political history sse t .M.'netry, at Say
of the Noble Lord. Ai •.e, or at any price. Again,
(Nettof importance to miner ,lieis un rivalled in the histrienie art, is 4
s for the sake • b great
Ile one day feast-
objects of perplexi scattering the seeds of I i le' at neverpocl,. another fasting at La Trappe ; one
his natural petulancy amid the machinery of Go- 1
to et: k h e •4; hand in hand with the Jews
yernment (for , and the next
the contending ' humblest
•
have a bone • mg parties in Ireland wouiu 1 i avee.k ,oo . o with the eesuits.—(Leud tallish_
for contention in ever 1• • if all his great objects were
• o
crea.ing y c a.ne of his Bill), i -ter.) eccomplished, your
angry feelings and d' order and simplicity should Acuities, where the greatest
prevail • in orijnyn rents would not be more, nor your privations l
cis traducing in your presence hi Conservative ess. a synonerne for the Inill, and , fact Stanley was Then I •
H • 'nf Co 's op-
ressing cud perpieijah
was the notice of claimant, bar- ponent sin the . (.use
.hemmons, bringing foi ward charges
speeches of the Noble Lord. as
fan epigram of one of the 1 against them, vs hi" in the walls of Parliament he never
sett the Protsetant Clerg • obl. le aould ask why were 1, LiSenth2. l'h" Til, flee,. a _ net concluded by saying, My
Why were they not obl,;3:11 obliged to serve that notice .'.
Ihiobhe Friend, id brine Ing forward this measure, has acted
fen? He
suflposed
tife.y
htaodesnvr their Christian name Fs ' fee, less) v and faithfully towards his country.—(oe, on,
he vials of Oa -
Cott there was no neceseity for a Oreemoard"yofChhrishian virtu( e and ehen. ,S. ) The.de_magnon.icsiue,hmo
ay
priests incur
mayt threaten i '''.
oneme. No, the of was that of
uts e'r
Cbrist'esr, der upon his ;r"t",',','l' (ilea., hear, from Mr. O'Couna
any difficulty in the way of one party, end t, onto to throve a ith the
‘'• '''asa'n's "s" established an imperishable claim ueo 1
little az possible the other. For his part he emharr.srs al ll)--/ na• tee ease -!a and the gratitude of all w' It'o
see Catholic Emancipation repealed than see 7hould rinhor the res i),,n, slue 26m:ration,
f,
and maintain the pre-
ried ; fcr wallet the franchise he'd been granted b- fe' ill ear. nes on „does :to .'store the tits....
i , thins —(Cheers from the
to the L'oman Cieholie, that Bill 'eel aeja ,irliarn:2nt Min once or our national els:1.0 •
the epportutity of lasing admitted to U. It ••Y Iron'
h" C'd' .servativee.) nie;o)—The assassin's knife I
was, as Mr, i'
Lea-less
once said, showing him a desirable situatio •* ' I .4r. O'CONNELL (SnOC:fy.,, ~,
o' inion upon this Bill,
n is R I
Lord CHARLES RUSsiessL S ii I,i'tv building, and taking am ay the ladder by which he : opposed to the views of
directly
At iris vote would n was . • ies
t ould ..scar],—,'llear, hear.) The reeasure Would nen '
had introduced this measure.—
, Noble Lord who
t•troe the Liberal consl;:uency, and place all the pe • ' th objection to the Bill was,
Ayer le (J leer, bear.) His principle
the bands of the C.,n.iervatives.—glear
, hear) lie ,
ati •t the considered it a most monstrous measure. It pre.
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