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London, England, 1847-04-17 00:00:00

in the Poor Relief B:11 for Ireland refusing relief to lie
holders of small quantities of land.
GOVERNMENT SCHEME OF EDUCATION.
Mr. SPOONER presented lovers] petitions fro%n
Birmingham against the Government scheme of edu -
cation. Also one from the ministers and churchwardens
of Christchurch, Birmingham, in favour of it.
Mr. PARKER presented a petition in favour of the
Government system of education, and six against it.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.

On the motion of Mr. PARKER, itwasagreed that
the House at its rising should adjourn till Monday next.
POCKLIN GT ON,
moved
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE
the inhabitants of Pocklington, Yorkshire, Pbeetiptiroinn ofted
with the votes."—Agreed to.
HOLYHEAD HARBOUR.
Mr. BANKES moved that the petition of the nobility,
gentry, and clergy, of the county of Carnarvon, respect-
ing the Holyhead Harbour, be printed with the votes.
Agreed to.
SEVENTY-TWO GUN SHIPS.
Sir C. NAPIER wished to ask the Secretary of the
Admiralty whether he had any objetion to lay before
the House the date of the order sent down from the Ad-
miralty to the different ports to suspend the construc-
tion of the 72 gun ships? and also whether any order
had been subsequently sent down to go on with them?
Mr. WARD said, in reply to the Gallant Admiral,
he had to state that an order had been sent down to
suspend the works in the 72-gun ships, and accordingly
tine Aboukir, the Exmouth, and Princess Royal were •
suspended on the 9th of December, 1844; the works re-
mained suspended in 1844 and 1845, but since that an
order had been sent down to resume operations, and
these vessels were now in process of being completed -
Sir C. NAPIER inquired whether the second order
was given by the Admiralty or not?
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COMMITTEE OF CONSTRUCTION (NAVY).
Mr. 1.0 ME inquired whether the Hon. ).
Gentleman
would have any übj,ction to produce the appand proceedings of the Committee appointed to inve
ointmsetni.t
gate the subject of na‘al architecture?
Mr. WARD said he would reply to the question on
Monday.
GOVERNMENT SCHEME OF EDUCATION.
Mr. HINDLEY wished to ask the Noble Lord at the
head of the Government—first, when the reports of the
school inspectors would be laid on the table, whether it
was desirable, in his opinion, that they should be in pos..'
session of the reports before coming to a decision on the
plan of education proposed by the Government;
secondly, whether an exact estimate of the expense'
could be furnished, and showing whether the
statement which bad appeared in some of the
newspapers was correct, that the Noble Lord
had stated to some persons who had waited upon
him that the grant of this year would be applied in strict
conformity with the former grants, and not laid out
according to the minutes of the Privy Council ?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, in reply to the first
question, the reports of the inspectors were not quite
ready, but as soon as they were they would be
laid on the table in the usual course. In re-
ply to the second, he bad to state that he did not
think it necessary that the House should defer its deci
sion until they were in possession of the report.
—(Hear, hear.) And, in reply to the third,
that the grant, if acceded to by the House, would
be laid out according to the former rules, and according
to the plan laid down in the minutes of December, 1846,
he had never made the statement to which -the Hon.
Gentleman had referred. He had taken care to hare
given with the estimates of this year a detailed
statement of the probable expense of the plan
proposed by the Privy Council. The grant (so we un-
derstood) this year would be the same as last.

THE TWEED.
Mr. MUNTZ inquired whether it was the intention of
the Government to mark its sense of the gallant conduct
of the Spanish commander of the ship which went to the
rescue of the unfortunate passengers of the Tweed?
Lord J. RUSSELL said the Government had re-
ceived intelligence of the gallant conduct of the
Spanish captain with great satisfaction, and Lord
Auckland had been directed by her Majesty to in-
form him of the great satisfaction with which her Ma-
jesty had heard of his conduct ; and to propose to
him the acceptance of a medal, upon which would
be recorded the history of the shipwreck
of the Tweed, and the services which he
rendered to the survivors of that unfortunate ship, and
at the same time offering him the sum of 5001., to show
the deep sense which her Majesty and the Government
entertained of the conduct of the Gallant Officer.
CUSTOMS DUTIES.
Dr. BOWRING wished to know when the House
would go into Committee on the Customs Duties Bill,
which he saw upon the orders for that day.
Sir G. GREY said that it was the intention of the
Government to proceed with it that day week.
RETURNS.
On the motion that the order of the day for the third
reading of the Poor Relief (Ireland) 13111 be read,
Mr. NEW DEG ATE said, that after the uniform
neglect which he had experienced at the, hands of her
Majesty's Government, with reference to the returns
which he had .coved for now almost three months since,
he was sorry to intrude the subject upon the attention
of the House, but really the period which had elapsed
was so lung. tied the returns for which he moved for so
important, that he must state to the House the cir-
cumstances under which he had moved for them,
and the return itself. He had moved for a return
of what alterations had taken place in the tariff of
foreign countries since 1844 ; nhat alteration had been
mace in the Customs duties of the British possessions
in the colonies ; %%hat exports of the principal articles
of manufacture had taken place during the three last
years, ending 1846 ; also what quantity of provisions bad
been introduced, and what foreign countries had im-
posed prohibitory or export duties upon articles im-
ported to this country. lie thought that the house
would see, that considering the gr. at experiment into
which this country had been launched last year, the
information which he sought was a matter of public
anxiety. He would not press the returns then were it
not that only one class of them related to the present
year ; and considering that all the others related to the
year ending 1846, he cr,nld not but believe that her
Majesty's Government were not in possession of the in-
formation and he was ready to infer that it was through
some negligence that they were withheld.
Mr. M. GIBSON said that the Hon. Gentleman was
quite mistaken if he considered that the Government
were unwilling to furnish these returns. They were to
be collected by the Customs, who stated that
they were so voluminous that they would require
a vast amount of time to complete them. As to the
remaining part of these returns, it was necessary to
communicate with Foreign Ministers and Consuls,
which would also take some time. He hoped
that the Honourable Gentleman would be satis-
fied with this explanation. The Government
would use due diligence, and as soon as they were com-
pleted they should be laid upon the table of the House.
Mr. BANKES said that the explanation given fully
acquitted the Hon. Gentleman himself, but he (Mr.
Baukes) was not satisfied that a definite time was not
stated for the completion of these returns. Even if
they were not given down to a late period, he had no
doubt but that they would prove valuable.
REMISSION OF DUTIES ON BUTTER AND

CHEESE.
Mr. LEFROY wished to know from the Hon.
Gentleman the Member for Winchester what were kis
intentions with respect to his Bill for the remission of
duties upon butter and cheese.
Mr. B. ESCOTT said that he had, no doubt, given
notice of his intention to proceed with that Bill, but he
had found it necessary to calculate on what chances he
had of success, and what were the sinews of war.
He was sorry to say that at present he saw
very little chance of carrying the House with him.
In the present state of the House, he hardly knew what
side of the House he must look to for support, and
therefore he would abandon it for the present. He would
leave it in the hands of any other Hon. Member who
might have more courage and hope of success than her
had, if they should think fit to bring it forward.
ENCUMBERED ESTATES IN SCOTLAND.
Lord DUNCAN wished to ask the Lord-Advocate a
square: t na s
ulnlde laud beenerthec led to
onsideratiuonndeorfstaGnodv'ethrnamt a ea-
enmtto
facilitate the sale of encumbered estates in Scotland.
What he wished to know was, whether such a Bill was
under the consideration of the Government, and when it
would be introduced ?
The LORD ADVOCATE stated, in reply, that the
question was under the consideration of the Goiernment,
with the view of framing a measure to meet the circum-
stances referred to. He begged also to state that it
would be introduced on an early day.
POOR RELIEF (IRELAND) BILL.
The order of the day for the third reading of this Bill
was then read.
Mr. CORRY said he rose with great reluctance
to occupy the House for a short time, to give
the reasons why he opposed that portion of the
scheme which had relation to out-door relief. In
former times, when the condition of the poor was alone
considered an Irish question, every one of the least
authority was opposed to the introduction of the
t
principle of out-door roaelscalraeile)et,lof,:anrtnhtdthrbhcewui,
throughout
gprmhienneooaiauowtstn:i
attacked
hb:thiedhcceheahudaalsildsec becausenue
affected England, the question was altered, and
heardot
ss-
stthohi oneenysl saooniffavdrahstuo'ii landed
he dhgplohreroiaiartaryrgilteournemk ermtenshnueotpsftlt
subjectr-
had formerly maintained.
He admitted the obligation of the to provide for the
pexoporir,ebdu,tthhee
peopleknew enooutia be
how, when tludsitsetrmibpuoted temporary relief
saved from starving. Why,
the whole of the property in Ireland,
the people in out-door relief, would
not suffice to support
them. Ile was certain that accommodation enough
could be found for the disabled and destitute poor, that
was, if out-door relief were not resorted to. If, how-
ever, relief should be given in that country without
the workhouse test, a dependence upon charitable
resources would be encouraged to that extent that
it would certainly go far towards confiscating
the property in the country. He admitted the duty of
the land to provide for the disabled destitute, and he
would concede even the confiscation of the land, if
Gentlemen on the other side could show him that it
was necessary ; but the veriest tyro in political
economy knew well that property was neces-
sary to the well-being of the poor themselves.
The result of the Bill would be, that instead of out-door
relief proving, as the Noble' Lord had stated, the excep-
tion, it would prove the general rule, end great misery
could not fail to he entailed upon those :lic,lttly removed
from the .lower classes in conaequence. The Noble
Lord asked the deputation who wait:4
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I'uPon him
on the subject what better pkn they Prop? To
that question he . would reply, Ist the magure
be tried temp orarily, 'but do not make it a Perrnaufe
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