The Sun.
London, England, 1840-01-04 00:00:00

others desired me to stay till they all came up, that they

might know what was the matter:
Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly—When did you go to tle
mountain ? It was between 6 and 7 o'clock when we went

to the mountain.
How far is it from Abercairn ?—About nine or ten miles.
When did you you reach Abercairn ?—We got to Aber-
cairn between one and two in the morning. We stopped

in the hills between two and three hours.
During the whole time you have spoken of, did you see
Mr. Frost don't know him.
James James examined by Mr. Sergeant Talfourd— I
live at Colebrooke-vale, and am a miner. I know Zepha-
niah Williams. He keeps a beer-shop called the Royal
Oak. It is in my neighbourhood. My house is about
half a mile from the Royal Oak, and 21 miles from New-
port. There is a tram-road which leads from Nant-y-glo
to Newport. We go through Abercairn. A Chartist
lodge was held at the house of Zephaniah Williams. I
have attended it. I was at Zephaniah Williams's house on
the morning of Sunday, November 3. It was about ha;f-
past ten in the morning when I first went to his house.
Zephaniah Williams was there ; a good many people were
present. About three in the afteraoon of the same day I
went again to the Royal Oak. Zephaniah Williams was
present then also, and many other persons. There was a
stranger present whose name I do ILA know; he propo►ed
a meeting on the moil.; tain that evening. The a ranger
spoke English. lam a Welchman. The stranger said,
We must go and meet on the moorland about 6 o'clock
that evening. and if we did not meet we should be in dan-
ger." He told us to bring bread and cheese with us, for
perhaps we might want our meals before we came back.
He said we should hear when we got to the mountains what
we had to do. There were other Welchman there besides
myself. Zephaniah Williams rose and repeated in Welch
what the stranger said in English, but I did not hear Wil-
liams say we should know what we had to do when we
got to the mountains. About half-past swe started, and
reached the mountain about 6 o'clock. It lies between
Nant-y-glo and Sirhowey. It was very dark, and rain-
ing hard, the wind blowing strong. A good many
people were present when we went there, and many
more came afterwards. Some of those whom we
fund there had weapons ; I saw two guns, but the
night was so dark I could not see more. I did not see
Zephaniah Williams on the mountain. We remained
nearly two hours upon the mountain. When we
left the mountain we descended by the tram-road,
I saw Zephaniah Williams by the Victoria New Iron
Works. We stopped thore some time. Some men came
there and spoke to Zephaniah Williams. The man said,
" What do we want down at Newport ?—we aro going to
be killed all." Zephaniah Williams said, " No; I hope
we shall come safe back ; nobody will be killed there."
At the time these words passed between Zephaniah Wil-
liams and the stranger the people were coming down
the tram-road, and some one called " Go on," and on they
went some miles, to a place where the turnpike and the
tram-road cross each other. There were many hundreds
there. There is a public house on the left "hand side as
you go down towards ,Newport. - I turned back about
three-quarters of a mile from the main body. There
were two other men along with me; we stayed at that
public-house about an hour or two. A number of men
came to the public-house and took me out again.
They were armed, some with guns, some with pikes.
I can't say that those men who found me out were
some of those who came after me on the tramroad. I
was afraid of them, and I went out ; a crowd after-
wards came, and cleared the room as far as I saw. There
were other men in the room beside the two who were with
me. All were called out ; all went out. About 200
yards from the house, I turned aside and tried to escape.
Other men were coming. It was about daybreak. The
other party coming down the road pressed me a second
time. I went down into Sir Charles Morgan'a Park.
where I met many hundreds, most of whom were armed
with guns or pikes. About nine o'clock in the morning I
went down with them towards Newport, as far as Stowe
Church. As we were proceeding we heard firing. The
people immediately all turned back, and I returned to
my house.
Cross-examined by Sir F. Pollock—Have you attended
Chartist meetings very often have.
When did you join the mob first ?—At ten o'clock in the

morning.
Did Zephaniah Williams tell you to provide bread and
cheese ?—Yes.
Did be not more than once tell the people to keep the
peace 7—Yes, I have heard him frequently do so.
When did you last hear him recommend the people to
keep the peace ?—Perhaps three or four months before the
riot took place. I only saw Zephaniah Williams at the
Victoria that night. I did not hear him then tell the
people to keep the peace. I have heard him many times
at our lodges tell the people ; be told us not to drink too
much beer. I have often beard the name of Henry Vin-
cent. I believe he is a prisoner at Monmouth. Vincent
was often among the people of that district, but I have
never heard him speak ; the people are much attached to
him ; they know he is in gaol, but I do not know of any
complaints as to the treatment he received in gaol.
James Samuel examined by Mr. Sergeant Talfourd— I
I live at Llangileth, am a collier, and keep a public. i
house, called the Coach and Horses. I was at home '
on Sunday night (November 3.) A number of men
came to my house about half past eleven o'clock. I
was in bed ; they knocked. I run down and let them
in. About a dozen came in first and took some re-
freshment. Another big man afterwards, came, or-
dered beer for a great many, and told them to go along.
Zephaniah Williams cams to my house about two o'clock,
and appeared to be very wet. There were people with
him. After the first lot went away a larger number
rushed in and took possession of the house. Zephaniah
asked me where my horses were ; I told them they were
about two miles off. I was afraid some of the men would
go to the stable on the other side of the road, where there
were five or six, and I said I had one. I called up my ser-
vant, and sent him with a horse and tram. Zephaniah said
he ought to be down about four o'clock. My servant,
Henry Smith, went off with him, My house is 151 miles
from Newport. I did not see my servant or the tram till
the Wednesday night following.
Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly—Williams was very quiet
and peaceable while at my house. I had nothing to com-
plain of about him; he called for a pint of beer and paid
for it ; the others were not all peaceable ; they stole some
things from my house.
Henry Smith sworn, and examined by Mr. Sergeant
Talfourd.—l am sixteen years old. I live servant with
Mr. Samuel. I remember being called up upon a
Sunday night in November. I had to harness the
horse to the tram. Mr. Zephaniah Williams and
others went in it. I overtook a great many
people, they were armed. We went on until we came to a
place called Tyn-y-Cwm. There is a public-house there
kept by Henry Charles. There were there people armed
both before and behind the tram. Mr. Williams got out
of the tram there. I went on with the tram, having busi-
ness in Newport, but Mr. Williams did not go on in it.
When I came to Tydie, about three miles and a half from
Newport, I saw Mr. Williams again. The people were
there, and Mr. Williams ordered them to go on two and
two down the tramroad. I know Sir C. Morgan's Park.
I stopped there some time, and saw a great many people
there, but I can't say I saw Williams there. I went on to
Newport, and put the horse up in the stable above the Salu-
tation. I then saw Williams coming back towards the
hills from Newport, and I saw other people coming back.
I had heard firing. before I saw him coming back. I can't
say how long before it was that the firing took place—not
an hour. Some were running, others walking. The men
who went in the tram with Williams were armed.
Cross-examined by Sir F. Pollock—When I heard the
firing I was over right the Salutation. I left the tram at
the Waterloo_ Williams left me at Tyn-y-Cwm. I did
not go further into Newport than the Salutation. I heard
the firing about a quarter of an hour after I had put the
horse up.
William Howell examined on the noire dire by Sir F.
Pollock—l live at Blaine, in the parish of Aberystwiih. I
have lived there more than a year.
The witness was then sworn in chief, and examined by
the Attorney-General--I was at Zephaniah Williams's
house on the Sunday night. I saw a person there they
called Zephaniah Williams ; it was at Colebrook-dale.
There were a great number of other persons. He
said there was to be a large meeting on the mountain,
and they were to take something with them to defend
themselves, for fear that some people might interrupt
them. He did not say anything more then. The meet-
ing on the mountain was to be at dark. I was near
Zephaniah Williams's house the same evening between five
and six. There were a great many people round the
house. They said, speaking of me, " There is one of
them," and then they said I must come to the mountain
to the meeting. Sense of those around the house had
pikes, and there were some of them who had no arms at
first. There is a place there called the " Lodge-room ;"
they went down round that way. I saw some people
coming backward and forward that way. I saw four
coming out from underneath the Lodge-room—they had

pikes with them.
Cross examined—I did not hear Zephaniah Williams
speak of the meeting before.
Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly—Now attend to me. Yon
say that it was upon the Sunday afternoon that you were
at Zephaniah Williams's house ?—Yes.
And it was then that he spoke of the meeting on the
mountain, was it ?—Yes.
Now, did you not hear Zephaniah Williams speak of the
meeting an the mountain before the Sunday 2—No, I
did not.
Did you not see Zephaniah Williams on the Tuesday
—Yea, I saw him on the Tuesday.
You were at his house ?—Yes.
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slay afternoon. He then only spoke of the five articles.
Did not you hear him say on the Tuesday
something
with
that
it would be better for every one to have
him te defend himself, for fear some persons should come
to interrupt them 2—No ; that was on the Sunday.
Well, was not that the meeting which was to beheld on
the mountain 2—Yes.
Then I was mistaken as to the time. Did not Zephaniah
Williams say at the same time " that there was to be no
shedding of blood, or anything of the sort ?"—I did hear
him say so.
Did be not also say that every one was to go to his own
home peaceably and quietly ?—Yes, he did.
James Woolford examined by the Attorney-General—
Is a gamekeeper to Mr. Phelps, and lives at Abercairn,
about 101 miles from Newport, and about halfway between
Nantyglo and Newport. Remembers the night of Sun-
day, the 3d of November last. Went to bed on that night
about nine o'clock. Was disturbed about half-past one in
the morning by something he heard in the streets. Heard
the dogs basing first. He then looked out and saw lights
outside the house. He also saw some man. A good many
were there. Can't possibly sty that they had arms with them.
They came into his house. They rapped at the door. He
then got out of bed, and they said it' he did not come down
they would blow the house up. He let them in. The
irst thing they did was, they said they wanted arms,
and then they went into the kitchen and took two guns.
There was a pocket pistol there. They took three guns
and the pocket pistol ; he tried to prevent them by hiding
them; they said they were come for fire-arms. He don't