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London, England, 1841-03-23 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS, M4RCM 22.

The SPEALER took the Chair at the usual time.
On the motion of Mr. BROTHERTON the Man-
chester and Salford Waterworks Bill was read a third,
time and pas zed, and the Mtvichester and Leeds
Raiki ay Bill was read a second tine. The Honour—
able Member also presented a petition, praying that
the House would Lot accede to the prayer of a
petition, for leave to bring in a Bill to incorporate the
Imperial 13,,Lk of Manchester.

Mr. W. EVANS presented a petition from Mary
Booth against the Northern and Eastern Railway BR
On the motion cf Mr. NEELD, the Church of &T-
-hud Life and Fire Assurance Trust and Annuity
Company's 13.11 was read a second time.
Ile Preston and Lptigridge Railway Bill, and the
Winwick Roctois Bill, were read a third tine and passed.
Mr. C. HAMILTON presented a petition from the
Board of Guardians of a place in Oxfordshire against
the contint a :ee in (Ana of the Poor-liw Commis-

stoners.

An HON. MEMBER presented a petition from a place
•n Buckingliamshhe, praying for more efficient religious
instruction for tie el tire populatiw.
I‘lr. PHILIP HOWARD presented a peti-
tion fr. m the or and Aldermen of the t ity
of Carlisle in favour of the reduction of import duties,
and of tie furtherarice of the principle laid down in the
speech front the throne, in the year 1525, which was
in part carried cut by Mr. Huskisson. Also a petition
from the sane place signed by the Mayor on behalf of
the Corporation, in favour of the adanisson of Jews
into muuicipal corporatioo.
Mr. BROTHERTON presented a lic.ition signed
by the Booughretve, Const e Poor-taw Guardians,
ani Ovqrsoers and n:ca of ail political parties in &nth-
wark, against theextenson tne por crs of the Poor-
law Commissioners ; alto a petition front the Mayor and
Council of the 13.irough of Lidltoe, praying that the
Import Duties way be revised and reduced.
M. E. A. SANFORD presented a petition from
the county of Somerset, in favour of Church Extension ; -
also a petition from the Poor-law Guardians of the town
of WeAington, praying for an alteration in the bastardy
claus:s of the Puerlaw 1111; also from the Guardians
of the Union of Yeovil, praying that the workhouse
e acted then,, and alt other %workhouses, might be ex-
empted from the payment of parochial taxe:..
Mr. TO NLE Y PARKER presented a petition
from Preston against the Poor-Lew Cohtieu ince Bill.
The petitioners stated that the working of the New
Poor-law w.is in their judgment et.leul tted to unhinge
society, by setting the poor against the rate-payers,
and prayed that power may be given to tie guar-
dians to relieve mothers of lxistard children. The
Honouraft! Member also presented a he ition
from the Vice. Chairman and Guardians of a Union in
the counties of Slop and Flid, expressing great disap-
probation of the powers given t the Commissioners ;
also statin, that fie Guardians ought to be entruste.l
with the power of relieving wido'as having families in the
union, and calling the attention of the Hotne particularly
to the ;35.1-, and 43d c!alscs of tleKli, as c xtrernely aibi-
trary ,nd unjust liable. The lion. l'demher presented
a pet ton from the comity of Lanca,ter to the same
effect.

Mr. 11. BERKELEY presented a i eition from an in-
dividaal,'whose name we did not heor), praying for a
Parliamentary remuneration as the original inventor of
telegraphic communication by rdlways.
Mr. E. TENNENT presented petitions from se-
veral congregations of Prosbyt,rials in Lelend, against
lay patronage in the Church of &toilette.
Mr. A. WHITE presented a petition from Sunder-
land against the Medical Profeseen all,
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from
th:vanport in favour of Frost, Williams, and Jones ;
also a pct:tion from Duadee, praying for Radical Re-
form, and a petition from Merthyr Ty dvil against the
New Poor-law SyS:CIII.
Lord \,VORSLEY pieientecl a pit' Lion from a pl tee
in Liecolesimire, against the New poor-law.
Sir R. H. INGLIS presented a petition from Derby,
and a petition from a place in Derbyshire, agairet any
further grant to the College of Maynooth ; also a peti-
tion from a place in Saumersct, praying for the exclusion
of Roman Catholics from nitwit ; and st,eeral peti-
tions from places in G'ouccster, York, Lincoln, Sus-
sex., \V Its, SeEels, Somerset, Cumberland, and South-
amf ton, prayires for Church Extenston.
Mr. SMILES presented a rettion from the parish of
St. George, in G:oucester, cornelain'ng generally of the
New Poor-law Amendment Act, which the petitiot ers
stated increased their rates twin 472/ to 2,185/. a-year.
Mr. 13A I NES presented a petition from the Corpo-
raiion of Leeds praying that the Commerci.:l Code of
the ccu!Ary might be re, isccl, and the principle of free
trade adopted ; a-d a p:•tition from te Magistrate of
Lancaster, comelaoiog that he had been four tine's
brought lefore his broti,er Magistiat -s to establish
Church-rat:: claims, and ruayin, that the law of Church
rates might be abolished alioge.hcr.
General JOHNSON presented a petition from Old-
ham, very numerously signed, against the Poor-law
Amendment Bill.
Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition from Birmingham
against the Poor-law Amendment Bill.
Mr. GROTE presented a petition front an individual,
complimiaing of grievances inflicted on him by the British
Consulate at Me sine. The petitioner stated teat he
had rnemorielized the Foreign-ofliee on the subject. and
that the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs had di-
rected that an i vestigation into the circumstances
should take place before the British Consul at Palermo.
'rite petitioner being of opinion that justice could not be
done him by such an investigation, prayed the House to
give him ri lief.
Mr. LAW lIODGES presented a petition from the
chew sts and druggists of Gravesend against the Medi-
cal Reform Bill.
Lord ELIOT presented a petition from the guar-
dians of some union in Warwickshire, praying that the
landlords of small tenements might be made liable to the
poor rates.
Sir E. SUGDEN presented a petition from the So-
licitors of Yorkshire Law Society, praying for alterations
in the County Courts' Bill.
Lord A. LENNOX presented a petition from the
chemists and druggists of Chichester against the Medi-
cal Reform 13,11 introduced by the Hon. Member for
Lambeth.
Mr. PAKINGTON presente I a similar petition
froin Droitwich.
Admiral ADAM preseatel petitions from Kinross
and another place in Scotland, against Church patronage.
Mr. T. DU NCO MBE presented a petition, signed
by 736 females in the vicinity of Chelmsford, praying
for tee liberation of Mr. Baines.
Mr. HAMILTON and Mr. HODGES gave notice
of certain amendments in Committee en the Poor-law
Amendment Bill.
Colonel SIBTIIORP gave notice that in Commeots
on the Miscollaneaus Estimates he should move a re-
solution for cancelling the appointment of Sir William
onAr
thle. G
Visard.
tain amendments.
mol\vlentil:aitl.aKSlNeleGtetT.
COoNmme
cotp\‘‘:;,g\ii\t'OolODDegsiagvnes npoitllicelietlimahtooinidCoolmoebiettee:e.
ire
into the state of Newfoundland.
Mr. HUME gave notice that o
;iltlt-Ceenb()ctic,lenaorofihnhutiressd,iinflttycoilnito :na to
he
would move for a copy ache correspondenceiiirjeo.tnotice
that r ei
nl t icv eo to
'amendments in the
Poor-law he woull move certai
Poor-law Bill.
thesairffaitirooßf
Ethae
TschpoE:r.
ga.,ron
Maclean)
had
on a
previous
xmforudnder contemplation. He wisl
• the medical corporations had some
occasion ,
Mr.. tt:.teWdEtlS,atsaid beunderstood the 11".
led to
he Hon. Member if such was the CUe,
and he under-
asiltr. MACLEAN said he had stated so, and that
he bad the information from two petitions which
presented to the House on the subject, were
theubareofficaftOor
Apo-
thecariess:tloecoai had had several meetings onittee2Zbjetiante. THE GREEN PA
respecting the closing of the (ire. en Parl,, he beefra to
hal'inrr ma ;y complaints
repaired, and when that a s the 11: ir GE entilde're n
Mr. E. J, sTi temporary or permanent.
whether it weo sem the Secretary tor the Trea-
sury
being repa
Mr. STANLEY'IN LEY
ldt done it would be re-
opened to the public. Was
:*abi
said that time walks were
SUPPRESSION OF FAIRS.
Member the Under SecretarysefeoirngthethcHolimr
of‘Nli
eLtobieerl 0:111
yh aa:
Depart-
ment in his place, he begged to ask him a question.
made H
toe wishedreg o
lregulate
et o
them,
He had observed that several fags in the neighbourhood
they might Le attended with no iceonver.ience to the
and so to prevent the abuses which bad occurred, that
inhabitants before this step was taken.
notiee, of the question ; but he was•
n
Mr. FOX MAULE said his Hon. Friend should
attempt‘' bee
lied tit
edn"'n
e had not been put down until such
endeavours had been made.
Sir E. WILMOT Legged to ask the Attorney-Gee
have
quite
si,uirvecothhatiati
neral, Pilo had brought in a Bill to facilitate the Admi-
dstration of Jus ice in borouLhz, what provision would
be mane: with reeT contracts ectered into between
boroughs and counties which had not been perfected ?
Th 3 ATTORNEY-GENERAL said lie had no

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MORNING EDITION-

to.itation in stating- that the contracts would be jc-
Cared invalid ab
MEDICAL REFORM BILL.
In a shot/ conversation upon the MeNcsl Reform

.dtrot his intention to
Mr, V.A.WES stated that it was
bring .hrward his Bill to-mom'
e would take an
ca.) opportunity of static what course he should
"'antic.

•Busnel-paS OF THE HOUSE.
fir ROBEP: PEEL said the Noble Lord the Se
%wiry or dtate for the Colonial Department had
'tato on Friday night that he did not propose
to occupy the whole of the evening in discussing the
Poor.law BeL. The impression of the House was, that
the whole night would he consumed in that discussion.—
(Hear, hear.) He hoped that the Noble Lnrd did not
intend to proceed with the Administration of Justice
Bill until a few days' notice had been given to the House.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL had stated on Friday
that he did not expect the Poor-law Amendment all
would occupy the whole of the time of the House ; and
lie was still of the same opinion, for reasons which he
should prescrtly state. He had not then stated that
be proposed to go on with the Bill for the Ad.
IniniAretion of Just.ce ; and not having stated
that be would not ask the House to take it irto their
consideration. this evening, as sufficient motives might
ot have bean given on them tit r. What he proposed ta
do with the Pc or-law B:ll was to take immediately the
clauses nit}, ru. and to the duration of the Commis-
sioner and the issuing of the general rules. But
as ho foun I that a great number of amend-
=eats had been prepased which would require
much time and consideration, and in which he telt it
desirable that he should have further communication
with those who were eet-usted with the administration of
the taw, he would propose that they should go on with
the bill on Friday, when be would be able to state
whether there were any of those amendmeats
which he could be prep...red ether to introduce
Vmstlf, or to support when brought forward
by other Hoe. Members. lie would afterwards move
that next work, on Monday and the succeeding days
the Houle should consider the Bill in Commitee from
day to day. He hoped that course would not he in-
conveuient to the House a and he certainly did not
Nviah to press on to-night any Bi.l to which it could be
objected that due n ti ir had nct hen gi% el on the
;subject.
Slr ROBERT PEEL said that it a;)i.e ired to him
that if the Noble Lord dal not intimate to the He use
MCI Friday which of fie amendments he was inclined
to adopi, they would he able ti iaak:! but ve 1;ttl:
progress with the Bill on that day. He thought the
Noble Lord should at as t ar:y a period as possible, ex-
plain his intim.; as upon the matter.
Lo-d JOHN RUSSELL said he hoped he
should be able on W dnesday to state the course
be would take respecting the Bill. He might
take that o; Bert ;nil of mentioning, with respect to the
mottos of an Honot r drle Me nb regarding the cc-
bony of Nrwfoundland, th it if the Honourable Mem-
ber cished t ) have a Committee, the id irreaeion
which he might desire was not. completely toady ; but
be (Lord .1. Russell) expo cited further inorrira.ion at an
early period. Still he should not object to the Coin-
rnitte if the Hoe. G.:ntletnan merely acted his inten-
tions with respect to the malion. He should observa
that he bel evad there was at present no other notice of
nay censequente sn tha papers.
M-. GOULBURN irgiircd wl:eh it. was pro-
posed to proceed kelth ti e saolutions proposed by the
Right Hoe. Prssideet of the-B end ot Trade. They
Stood its ine pap r for Frid hot he supposed the!
vvoulil not coin s'sr.
Lord J. RUSSEL L said f e further consideration of
them would Le riostpooed t 1; Monday se'anight.
CONSOU.DATED FUND BILL.
On the Inqtioll of the NOBLE LORD the 11.0 DP, re.
seder d tel into Committee on the Consolidated Fund
(8,000,001)1.) Beeline in the Glair.
Tee CHANCELLOR 05 the EXCHEQUER said
the Hoc. Member for Stamford bad on a former er earng
a kecl a question respecting some accounts to which he
bad not been prepared to give an answer. He had looked
into the matter, and found that the whale mistake
arose frost: the Hoe. B ironet not calling for a full and
prow accoun'. Toe return ordcrcd by the House
asked for an account of all the demands, but it did not
go en to demand an account of the sums in the Treasury
available for the payment of the demands, and this led
tto the mistake under which the Hon. Baronet laboured.
There was, one sum which certainly required an expla-
mation—it wos with raga.d to Cain.'.—(Hear, hear.)
'l'ne r:turn stated she estimated amount of outstanding
demand to be 23,0001. That etas the whole of the
amount which the .sury knew of, but he was hotrod
to state that a much larger sum than that was out-
reancline.
Sir GEORGE CLERK said that the Right Hon.
Gentleman had given an explanation and a distinct
answer to the question which he had put t 3 him on
Friday night. But the answer which the Right lion.
Gentleman mede catch for some further observations.
The Hon. Baronet lier..r eniercd into a detail of the
'carious sums inclad ,d under the lira I of naval
expeases, and said that ha could net see why any dis-
tinction sliould be made io the appropriation of those
sums, and ere 156,0001. which hal coma under con-
oideration on o former occasion.
Mr. MORE OTERRALL said that some of tl e
monies mentioned by the Hoe. Baronet never found
their way into tie Treasury, nor was it intended that
they should. Tee Right lion. Gentleman made some
further observations which we could not catch.
Mr. HERRIES complained of the want of in forms-
flora, He trusted that the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer would see the propriety of giving ad the informa-
tion that could be obtained upon the subject.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
trete!e a few observations that were altogether inaudible.
Mr. HUNIE said he wished to inquire of the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, whcher cr not he was now ap-
plying mousy belonging to the Savings' Banks to carry
son the expen.es of the country. He asked this question
because it was it leverl in the City, that a very large
sum had been applied in this is ay. On a former occasion
he (Mr. Hume) had asked a similar question .in the
HCUW, which the Clianei.l or of the Exchequer evaded,
but in the end it app
.in that he had borrowed money
.in this Innnnee, and funded it to the amount of more
Siren three millio .e. He, therefore, wished to know
whether iu the present s'a'e of the finances of the
country this course was again resorted t), as, if so, he
considered it to be highly improper.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER,
'who spoke extre nely law. was understood to reply that,
•unileubtedly he had had recourse to the expedient
alluded to by the Hoe. Member in the pre:cot year, hut
ta) notuine like the extent that had been stated.
Mr. HUME thought that the candid avowal of the
• 'tigrs Hen. Geatleman, the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer, ought to el mill the House, and call for an expres-
sion o; its disapprobation that any Government
should presume to add to the Nailonal Debt without
coming to the House.—(Hear, hear.) When the
Rouse was sitting, if there we -e any deli :trey in the
revenue, th, Chancellor of the Exchequer ought to cone
befoore the House and st ite f tirly %hat it wag, and let the
use pre.vida for it. Na Chance:tor of the Exchequer
()tight to be allowed to go into the market
and raise money as he pirate:! 1 t the sanction
and knowledge of the -''
House.—(Hear,g't'u hear.) lie
protested against it, as v,.e.n,
proceeding., and it would be fir efieaH most irregular
place any n ore e se to
i con,ider
whether it would
Government which ahyasd anc
adoptedm ea means
such
:the disposal of a
all unconstituional proceeding.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
;aid Mere could be no doubt that he postessed the
that which hail teen done, and the course
power to do
which be had adopted tees one that had been pursued
before under similar circumstances. He rerfectly 0-
m in which
witted that he was responsihl
.3 for the manner
/re had exercised the discretion conferred upon him.
The question having been pot,
The SPEAKER said, that before
duty
ctljaucsael
the
tend a second time, he felt it to be his
attentien of the House to the clause, wore espccially
as respected the practice of the House, because it was
as
the first tithe an appropriation clause had
anted in this way. lie bel weal the objectetehne
ne.
Gentleman Lad in view in proposing the clause, was o
mark the sense of the House upon the excess of ex-
penditure, in such a way tbat it might not be drawn
into a precedent in future. Since the year 1762 he
found no instance of any 8.11 of appropriation except
one, and that one was a remarkable instance of a
course coatrary to what was now adopted. That in-
stance crenurree: in 1790, when an extraordiaaey expen-
diture took place, in consequence of an expedition
attended with great expense, that had been fitted out.
it was then cons;flered desirable that the vote should
Dot be mixed up with the ordinary vote of supply, but
should be reserved to :he end of the Session. He
merely threw this out. as a Su:gestic:in for the informa-
tion of the House.
Mr. HUME said that after what had fallen from
the Speaker it appeared tq him a matter of conse-
quence that they should not have the subjects mixed
up. However he saw no reason why the clause should
:not be allowed to stand ()se', and the course 'suggested
lby the Speaker adopted.
MreGOUL BURN said that the objection he stated
was that the Government had brought down an erti-
mate confessedly below what they knew to be necessary.
He, for one, would be satisfied with an, course which
alight be suggested. The taaking of the estimate be-
Atm what was in fact required might be justified by
clretwastances, but be thought the House was called
14on to make some discretionary provision to guard
:against the repetition of it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
'said that the only practical object of the House was to
mark its sense of the peculiar nature of the proceeding.
It was thought that that had be en done in a great meta-
:sure by the discussions which bad taken place on the
•subject.
Mr. WOOD said the Right Hon. Member for
Toosvorth had expressed his satisfaction at the course
kugpsted. No one 4 the time was aware of the ob-