The Sun.
London, England, 1847-05-19 00:00:00

NI)()N WEDNESDAY MORNING, MAY 19, 1847.

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illecti,,tbif elntceen htha mPa.
„p,st,ng . he relativ,, convenience or
alter their arrival
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anus...elves and their
is plaeA in direct and dangerous antagonism with t„
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tuni or humanity—that it almost invariably prevaa is gsea,tso,...,:t,t,
j:iaeigseitli)foxren.tl,:dtire,asi.l tsirlit,
_ • the strugoe—(i- e',.r, hear)—an for a time it wa ' fr'otti ',,..
.would passengers Titt,g to the
.not
bagkv,te some dislance from the station of .. `!` gauge to that
't, and i;- k-ft t-,-, itsel,, it -reduces 5 Par ~ & 1 ?U! rtPhl
f rue ~ther. the traffic, however, on the li ‘renteechpireafleytia.
'ion to the condition of slavery, nnniltligat"l"whiell
prest in the physical well-being of c Lave?lipnani, party i.;::,..0t •rut ilirmingharn traffic and no •incom
r tla't-
i, c '- .ui,l be experienct,,,l from that circumsta Ile'.
es opersu, on the slave-owner of
1-;
,l',i, net. the trailic-m,ina„r of the line, coOfirmed this
wner of ~, hack or a hunter insLy:hicetshteinrob.6l7h,aovreßb,..eeterin: !
• • t-s.
~ , . • , eV:,t- ~ , ant ,ta,,,,t tuttner ,bat, a quantity of I.lie goods
• prevent -1 em -, otf ~., vi -....-peatedly intedere,l and ' which ii .•-s- ,en,. by water would go by railway: and be
•, uc labours have not, lat-,,0 iu vain. Nor,. irk.; L.-:tii., i earned iii a much better condition that. that in which it
,oes the same reason hold good with other departments of I now reached the hands of the owners. The quantity of
human industry inwhich machinery of human contrivance pods now taken up or put down between Gloucester and
Bristol was very large, and at the present time greatinco ti-
ts leis concerned? I say machinery of human contrivance,
-r I hold that, in some sense, the earth itself is a ma- venienceh. is experienced, in consequence. of the great trade
is as much a machine
hine, that the clod of the valley, in which you drop brought li' QM two thousand miles of narrow-gauge
your portions of raw cotton to railway into the joint atßristol.
• • ' station
thheatgienr m
whichof future
you vegetation,depos
itas Mr. Payne further gave evidence upon the dangerous cha-
rfraecmteritosfa3ctheenitsinaen,
dwdheiscchenhtes. represented as being perilous
he twisted and elongated. In another place, my Lords,
I took the liberty, at the risk of some offence, of telling Mr. AUSTIN, Q.O , replied en behalf of the Midland Cons-
he lords of the soil that in this point of view I consi- pany, relying chiefly u
forpon the terms of the agreement Gloucester
opinion here. Your Lordships, in the management of and Bristol on the broad gauge, and contending that so long
hereditary estates which have descended to you from the as that agreement subsisted the Committee, according to the
Conquest, are working with machinery as well as Mr. common law of the land, had no right to violate its provi •
:reg or M. Birley ; but, my Lords, there is this dit- 4oTnsla. e Committee then adjourned till Thursday next.
ference between the machinery of God's contrivance and
that of his creatuf es. The earth will work alone, in the
silence of night, under the stars of heaven, unlit by your
41.5, utifed by your fires, admitting at intervals, which
nature indicates, the regulated assistance of man, taking
him into partnership, bd with no direct tendencies to
make him its slave.—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) Such,
my Lords, are the considerations which have induced
!Be to overcome the repugnance I individually enter
tain to meddling with concerns which, from their mag
nitude and complexity, I dread to approach.—(Cheers.)
Two main objections have been taken to the measure,
two principal and widely distinct consequences have
been held out as certain to ensue. It is said, that by
striking off a twelfth from the time during which, wheu
employment is rife, you are at present able to labour,
you will either diminish wages or incur defeat from
foreign competition. For the first of these consequences
I have always advised those with whom I had been in
communication to be prepared, and I have certainly
always received the answer that, to the best of their
bility, they had counted the cost, and were prepared, on
behalf of themselves and their families, to encounter it.
I am not fond of prophesying in matters of this descrip-
tion, hut if, on the one hand, I am not prepared to risk
the miserable value of my reputation for accuracy on a
calculation of the exact effect upon wages, on the other,
I ask any man to favour me with a calculwhichation of thee
amount of actual domestc economy may b
effected by the mother of three children who returns to
her home two hours sooner than at present. I cannot
calculate this, because I cannot sew, I cannot darn, I
cannot wash, and I cannot cookur . wines n these matters I
must refer your Lordships to our wi
Still less can I calculate the evanescent quantities, the
moral effects of leisure and repose to the mind, or lay
down in advance statistical results on bodily health or
longevity. I have no doubt whatever that the average
sum total of these elements, if they could be calculated,
would show a set-off to any probable diminution
of money wages, which will one day be satis-
factory to those who have co-operated in passing.
this measure. —(Flear, hear.) On this subject I must
'4150 call your Lordships' attention to another circum-
unce—the deductions now made when the work is
brought in by the operative for waste and spoil. My
Lords, from such information as I can obtain, it is my
firm belief that nine-tenths of that spoiled work occurs
in the last weary hours of the operative's present ave-
rage toil. I have never met with any man, of any class,
conversant with . the subject, who has not laid much
;tress on this circumstance. I pass, my Lords, to the
question of foreign competition. I do not profess to
receive with indifference, from men for whose station,
acquirements, and abilities I have profound respect, their
warnings on this subject ; but I am consoled by the re-
election that no step has been taken in this matter which
has not been preceded by similar warnings of ruin and
similar threats of emigration to those which, I doubt
not, have assailed many of your Lordships as they have
assailed me. And yet, my Lords, I hold in my hand a
paper which shows that England has yet held her own
against the competition of the world, and which leads
me to think that if she is doomed to suffer decay, it will
originate rather in a diminished supply of the raw
material than in any legislation which, for the sake of
the highest interests of humanity, your Lordships may
have consented to adopt. My Lords, I believe that from
a concourse of circumstances peculiar to the character of
his nation, England is in a condition to set an example to
the world in this matter. as she has done in others—that
she is able to do right and fear not ; and more than this, that
her example will be followed, and that foreign statesmen
who may not he disposed to follow it will be pressed by
that influence of public feeling and opinion which is
acting upon ourselves.—(Cheers.) My Lords, in the
course I have taken in Accepting the conduct of this Bill
I have undertaken a grave responsibility for its eventual
consequences. should it prosper to the extent of my
hopes and expectations, and should I live to see that
result, I reserve to myself, as my sole but all sufficient
• reward, the gratification of that spectacle. Popularity
I have not sought, and utterly disclaim. If that reward
should eventually fall due, it is impossible that the intel-
ligence and justice of the people should not place the
saddle on the right horse. It will be due, in the first
instance, to my Noble Friend—it will be due to the
master manufacturer, who has not allowed himself to be
swayed by considerations which would place his own
interests in seeming, though, as I believe, delusive con-
trasts with those of others. It will be due to those who
have worked through the long hours of this Bill in the
workshop of the Legislature, and not the labourer of the
eleventh hour. who now begs your Lordships' pardon
for so long trespassing on your Lordships' attention.—
(Cheers.) The Noble Earl concluded by moving the
second reading of the Bill.

GROUP XIX.
This Committee met to-day at twelve o'clock; Mr. Den-
nistoun in the chair.
ox.roltD, BANBURY, AND COVENTRY
3UNCTXON (lIRANCII FROM SOCTUAIVI

TO COVENTRY).
On the assembling of the Committee the clause; of this
Bill were considered and agreed to, and the Bill ordered to
be reported to the House.

GROUP XX.
This Committee re-assembled at the usual hour this morn-
ing; Mr. Goulburn in the chair.
OXFORD, WORCESTER, AND WOLVER-
HAMPTON (CHELTENHAM AND EVE-
SHAM LINE).
Mr. Vignoles gave evidence at considerable length as to
the practicability and facility of working railways on the
mixed gauge.
Mr. Miller, Mr. Cubitt, and several other witnesses, gave
corroborative testimony.
The rest of the day was occupied with the landholders' op-
position.
The Committee then adjourned.

GROUP XXIV.
MOLD.
The Committee met at three o'clock, but did not proceed
witb the evidence upon this Bill.
The Committee adjourned at half-past three.

RAILWAY COMMITTEES,

ROUSE OF COMMONS.-(YESTERDAY.)

GROUP IV.
The Committee met at twelve ; Lord Castlereagh in the
chair.
EASTERN COUNTIES (ENLARGEMENT OF
LONDON AND STRATFORD STATION).

Evidence was taken in support of the Bill, but, as there
was a difference on a point of compensation for land, the
Committee adjourned till Thursday, in order to give the
parties time fur arrangement.

evidence of Mr. Adie. He generally agreed with him that
the junction over the river was attended with no engineering
difficulties.

Mr. Haw•kshaw, the engineer of the Edinburgh and
Glasgow Railway, gave evidence to the same effect. Similar
junctions had been effccted under worse circumstances at
Manchester.
This closed the case for the 13111.
The case for the corporation of Glasgow was then pro-
ceeded with.

Mr. ft 04waltl, one of the Members for the city, was ex-
amined to the effect that he considered the Greeu would IA
injured by the crossing of the railway, and that the feeling
of the inhabitants was generally against it.
Mr. Patteson, of Glasgow, was examined to the same effect.
The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow at twelve
o'clock.

secured a portion of their line, which he trusted would ulti-
afately be carried out to its destination.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROBIVRT STHEPHENSON, the engineer, stated that the
surveys of such an extensive line as the Manchester and
Southampton had been entrusted to a number of persons,
and that unless they all worked in unity and with ac-
curacy, the final plans stood a chance of being in-
correct ; this, he regretted to say, had seen the
Ase in the present instance, as the assistants had not worked
iti unison, and consequently mistakes had occurred, which
,ad caused the defeat of the Bill in the Standing
Orders' Committee. It would be unnecessary for
him to enter into the details, as he feared that
he could not make them comprehensive to the meeting.
He would state, however, that be was a large shareholder,
and that he still entertained the opinion that the line was as
legitimate a one as had ever been brought forward—(Loud
cheers)—because the country through which it passed
must have a railway.—(Hear, hear.) It must not
simply be regarded as a local, but as a national line
having its termini in Southampton and in Lancashire—
(Cheers)—and any line achieving that in the best possible
manner, and economically, as this line would, must be sue-
cessful.=-(Hear.) With the view, therefore, of redeeming
what had taken place to the utmost of his power, he had pro-
posed to the directors to forego all engineering expenses for
the future survey of that line—(Loud cheers)—and also, at
his own cost, to reinstate the line in the position it should
have occupied this session, by carrying the Bill through the
standing orders next year, without any further expense.
The report was then received and adopted, and resolutions
were passed desiring the directors to proceed with the Bill
next session, but allowing any one to withdraw who might
think proper to do so; also thanking the directors for their
exertions during the past and present year.
In reply to questions,
The CHAIRMAN stated that a small additional deposit
would be necessary, but that it would not exceed ss. or 6s.
All the accounts had not been sent in, but those who
thought proper to withdraw could receive the amount to
which they were entitled as soon as possible, and
the remainder at no very distant day; he could not, however,
state the exact amount.

A vote of thanks having been passed to the chairman and
directors, the meeting (which was the most numerous one we
ever attended) broke up.

TUESDAY NIGHT'S GAZETTE.
_ _ ST. JAMES'S-PALACE, APRIL 29, 1847.

The Qneen has been pleased to appoint the Honourable
Flora Clementina Isabella Macdonald to be one of the Maids
of Honour in Ordinary to her Majesty, in the room of the
Honourable Anne Napier, resigned.
WHITEHALL, MAT is.
The Queen has been pleased to constitute and appoint the
Right Hon. Maziere Brady, Chancellor of that part of the
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland called Ireland;
the Most Reverend Father in God Richard Archbishop of
Dublin; his Grace the Duke of Leinster ; and Lieutenant-
General the Right Hon. Sir Edward Blakeney, Knt., Com-
manding her Majesty's Forces in that part of the said United
Kingdom, to be her Majesty's Justices and General Governors
of that part of the said United Kingdom called Ireland.
CAMBRIDGE HOUSE, MAY 14.
The Duke of Cambridge has been pleased to appoint the
Rev. John Houghton Ward, M.A., Corpus Christi College,
Cambridge, to be one of his Royal Highness's Domestic
Chaplains.

DOWNING-STREET, MAY 15.
The Queen has been pleased to appoint Richard Robert
Madden, to be Colonial Secretary for the territory of
Western Australia.

OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, MAY 15.
Royal Regiment of Artillery.—Brevet Major Francis
Warde to be Lieutenant-Colonel, vice Arbuckle, retired on
full pay; Second Captain John Henry Francklyn to be
Captain, vice Warde ; First Lieutenant Hugh Archibald
Beauchamp Campbell, to be Second Captain, vice
Francklyn ; Second Lieutenant Charles Hunter, to
be First Lieutenant, vice H. A. B. Campbell, May 7 ;
Brevet Major William Bates Ingilby to be Lieutenant-
Colonel, vice Freer, retired on full pay; Second Captain
Henry Thomas Fyers to be Captain, vice Ingilby ; First
Lieutenant Richard Bratton Adair to be Second Captain, vice
Fyers ; Second Lieutenant Robert John Hay to be First
Lieutenant, vice Adair, May 7.
BANKRUPTCIES SUPERSEDED.
John Chettle, linendraper, Warminster, Wiltshire.
George Woolcott, jun., and Edward Woolcott, builders,
Doughty-street.