The Sun.
London, England, 1847-05-04 00:00:00

intended to enjoy happiness and prosperity, as they
hr_guaranteed that they should enjoy equal independence
"wever much they might regret her unhappy condition,
!till it was not for England, or any other of the protect-
o
ihz...P,o,Wers, to prescribe to the Greek authorities what
'no be their measures, or what the nature of its ad-
eimistration.—(Hear, hear.) In 1533, a treaty was con-
r hY which the three Powers undertook to gua-
-411'.e 60,000,000 of francs, and power guaranteeing to
eltribute one-third of the entire sum ; and therefore
,t,country was answerable for one per cent of the
tOY'idt
flind upon 20,000,000 of francs ; but, in order to
e: against that, the interest of the sinking fund,
torelng necessarily thrown on the guaranteeing powers,
.S taken iu the wording of that treaty that the in-
e and sinking fund should be the principal, to which in
re first instance, and before any other expenditure, the
ye
of Greece' should be applied. The treaty ex pressl
Y specified that the first purpose to which the
enue of Greece should be applied, should be to pay
other'eest and the sinking fund, before applied to any
thePuPse, and that the representatives of the three
ers at Athens, should have the power to watch over
teaexecution of this agreement. He lamented, however,
eetaY, that that engagement had been overlooked—no,
Nctoverlooked—set at nought, as the papers which the
Qle Lord had moved for would show. They would
SO s
200 Chow that from 1343 up to the present time
5i(4601, had been advanced by this country to Greece.
'li`irsar, hear.) If these advances had been made
of n 414 perio, whilst the Greek States were in a state
tbe;il ertY—such a state of poverty as to prevent.
deb trots paying the interest upon its
t if she was in such a state of
oisatration as to render her progress almost impossible,
is ad no doubt that the same kind and generous feel-
mnig,s, which led the British nation to sanction the grant
ain! first instance, and to lend its aid to support and
Lain that country would have led them to adopt. a
ter course from which we could have derived no direct in-
threst ; but if it appeared that this charge had been
pear unnecessarily upon this country, and if it ap-
the as he thought it did, that the 46,0001. which
Al had paid annually to Greece enabled the Greek
lactainistration to carry on a system of pecu-
tavl°ll and corruption—(flear, hear)—and not for
arse, real interest of Greece, he thought it
GA--(1 become the duty of those intrusted with thke,
d;:erunnent and the interests of this country to make
own to the Greek Government to pay their
trios!
Interest on their own loan.—(Hear, hear,) ith
"se generous feelings which this House and the country
must ever maintain towards a nation with which so
447 recollections were bound up, he was sure the
i,.oUse would approve of the Government not proceed•
efor the whole of the arrears, but in ceiling upon the
pee Government to pay the last instalment of 23,0001.
ke la March, and for making a fair proposition for the
,sr of the instalments as they became due. He
,s4l sure the House would think her Majesty's Govern-
Zetit would, in doing this, not be acting in a way which
inconsistent between a protecting and a protected state.
t.441._ he said before with respect to the other portions of
Noble Lord's statement, that although the Govern-
),',llt deeply regretted the state of things which existed,
4:: at the same time they felt that the British Govern-
meat had had not sufficient grounds to stand upon, or justify
in dictating to the Greek Minister as to what should
ga,,,e course pursued by that Government. And as m-
a, 'led that topic of foreign influence, he was sorry to
n 4/ that it had gone on too far in Greece. He could not
114ostand what was the meaning of English, French,
qrqe Russian parties, in that country. If the Minister of
at to were to send him a paper with his name signed
u
eon,. ,uottorn of it and said, "write above my name any
pants You please, guaranteeing to England any ad-
Pour gees Yon may desire, and behold my signature as
ets.rUstaornapatee that they shall be fulfilled, his (Lord
Put it)
answer would be, take buck your paper,
shoal the tire; we want nothing from you but that you
ours govern your country as we endeavour to govern
the 01—,a1ie Your nation happy, prosperous, and contented,.
eat O,IIIY thing which we ask from you, is pay the intr-
wh our In
---°nY.—(Laughter.) He could not imagine
the a great value was attached in France to having
could reek Minister, the bead of the French party, he
Plithednts" see what particular object was to be aceom•
s ''Y it, but if the French Minister valued it, he.
ietane'ea no reason that they should have a feeling of
je te;,1,4011 the subject. He, as the organ of her Ma-
Govern Government, expressed the ardent wish of that
while anent that Greece should be well governed, and
IsitbilitiseY might retain their own opinion as to the ca-
t 47 e vs of her different statesmen, to well-govern her,
ter ould not interfere or dictate terms to their minis-
tne cas that would violate the independence of
areeteQuLtrY ; and while they disclaimed any wish to
justicewt hat was termed a British party, yet he must do
that title those eminent and distinguished men who bore
Britithat the sense in which they were called. the
44e'runparty was because they believed that the B. ritish
,teent sincerely desired the happiness of their.
IP)itt..r_3., but that if they asked them to do. anything
thes'wat to their interests or derogatory to their honour,
%.(e, otild spurn the thought, and prove themselves
14 to " and Greeks alone.—(Cheers.) Ile was ready
_gree to the return, and he would have no objection
de:irtaot.tion on the subject if the Noble Lord should
Sir It'
with tk'OBERT INGLIS said that he perfectly agreed
aqy "e eNoble Lord that it was not just or right for
cirder°lltitry to violate the independence of another in
kth,:c,)disee that no injustice was done to its subjects.
g right did consider that in the present case England had
t ° interfere with. the Government of tsrece in
uritish- entopel her to fulfil her engagements with the
its el crown. Greece had claims upon them, not for
son. Li,ssical remembrances, or from the gallantry of its
die, out from its conduct in the revolution of 1843. He
in,
,wish that the Noble Lord and her Majesty's
st
tow ers would pursue a a conciliatory courso
1,41.(15 Greece as they had hiterto done, the result of
Id be 'that she would be made capable of dis-
ci,4 r would
pecuniary
her debt. Not that he valued the matter in a
light, but 23 a testimony that Greece was
wOrthy of the care which they had bestowed up•,n her.
Sir JOIIN HANMEIt said that he considered that
carliament ought not only to desire the repayment of a
Portion of the loan, but that the statesmen of the country
should bring it to a more perfect state of civilization.
br. BO WRING said that he considered that the in-
terest of England was certainly that Greece should be
full' governed, and that her great resources should be
full'
developed. The only ascendancy which England
t-a,„ll_,ld desire in that country, was that of Greek interests,
t-hga of Grecian liberties. The intellectual character of
fe-,,aieauntry was not destroyed by the length of their. suf-
Crags. Their minds had not become brutalized. by
4sPotistn, nor did they sink with apathy into
41, state of slavery, but maintained the hope
The rescuing themselves at some future
from the
re_tame.
ta, Iclng of Greece did not disconnect himself
ill'ans, and every art had been used to prevent t e
Tre-'s from being what they were. destined to be.
hoe revolutions had been, in his opinion, of the highest
te„4(eir to the parties to it, and yet General Kalergi had
vti transported, and was at the present moment. a
wan transported,
ev, , in foreign lands. There had been a revolution
de "ad been rearked by bloodshed. There was a
14, -re for Progress, but that progress was to be a blood-
hirn- Progress and such it had been prepared to be. Let
Spseseanipare the state of Greece with the state of
,hero "' and they would see the difference. In the. one
()the wend hey
political and a physical struggle, in the
he r theyes ~ was a social and bloodless struggle. Sure
be feel t- `"at in this strife the influence of England would
friends
vi ho Greece and the Greeks would see that they had
would be ready to advance the position of
Preyeseolletry, and that no difficulties would in any way
molt the exertions of those friends.
speech'' BORTHWICK was quite satisfied that the
nip °F the Noble Lord would be of service in pros
Qe,ng the harmony of the members of the Greek
Terns" t
n •
had r. BUME wished to know whether the Noble Lord
th 41Y grounds for believing that the interference of e 13,4, ,
ever :`",sn Government had been of any service what-
wa in improving the state of the Greek people ? It
3Anecessary to know what was the course to be pur-
eea..,"? for unless there was some restriction on the nice
s. of the Government in Greece he was quite
ths,tired that the interference would be oeno avail. But
ire was a ground of interference, and that was given
h. 7 was
money which had been advanced. He wished,
erefore, to know whether there was any intention of
tll,
sore t,11,0 Government to interfere ? He therefore thought
,
Lord
6 explanation should be given by the Noble
•Lord at le head- of the Government, whether it was
intended to give any assistance whatever to the people
Of
T?orrecrI'ALMERSTON said that the answer to the
n. 110 Member would be very short, for the Noble Lord
whohadpreceded him in the office which he held, bad,
10 fact, done most of the business connected with this
question. A similar objection had previously been
enered, and a remonstrance had been made to the Greek
been
upon the results. A similar objection had
s
"en made previously, and he thought that the charges
of robbery were perfectly unjustified; but the Hon.
k\Jentleman might be assured that that no effort would
),"e spared to render the applicatiou which had been
-Aee'ciranaended, effectual with the Greek Government.
a—siznOng the first of these subjects would be the brigand-
e Which had been committed in the Greek seas, and,
t' rtainlY, the Government would be fully entitled to sa-
sfaction for the piracies which had been committed not
people o fEurooll ritish
evessels, but on the vessels of all the
Bp.
SUPPLY.
4,t ,0 Rouse then resolved itself into a Committee
hof
s-rPt7s When it was proposed from the Chair, that t e
3,.°1117,989/, should be applied to public buildings, &c.
f0,,,,,r,,11151E, in agreeing generally with the purposes
thr ."'ati this vote was to be applied, doubted whether
Lett Was any sufficient reason for the grant which had
etiii sought for.
for tet,' WILLIAMS objected to the whole of the vote,
selves several sums, though insignificant in themh--
,taeti-,2,,' Pat contained items which were highly o
Uou-"lL'ale, and he would particularly notice Hampton
t
the di' ea di had not the slightest objection to support
nee gwll,llY of the Sovereign ; but when he saw the be-
fits
aleh were enjoyed, he could not feel the slightest
th `l°4 in giving his vote for the grant, wth
great!servation. The expense of Hampton Court wasi
tie,hai
catintlayhe must say that,
might have been saved.
in his opinion, the add -
hesli'l3l.4 MORPETII thought that the lion. Gentleman
seet4, misunderstood the question ; for, so far as he could
e
re It was evident that the only object was to uphold t
ice3.a.l,residences in their integrity ; and when he reeol•
rifc'e,cit the historical associations with which they were
wow:leiwas quite assured that no objection to the grant
"untrue made' Papers were now in the hands of t
would
think :v; and he did not think the Government
.
repair:tat that was too much to keep that palace in
Mr„
built h :-)esE said that the attention of the Govern-
h au been directed to the residences of the Poor
6honldojthe besn°ra'n
claimsg ta of Wind
wad Chapter
he questioned how far the
Chapter over these poor men
ue allowed.