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GROUP VIII.

The Select Committee appointed to consider the
merits of the Bills comprised in this group, re-assembled
at the usial hcnr this morning, Mr. Young in the chair.
SOUTH DEVON (.12/lENDIYIENTS ,IND EX-
TENSIONS).
The Committee were engaged the whole of the day in
hearing general evidence in favour of this Bill.

`=►OUP X.
This Committp? met at the usual hour this morning
Lord Clive in LA: (+air.
=STERN _ COUNTIES (ILFORD TO TIM.

BUZZY FORT AND 'SOUTHEND.)
The Committee were occupied the whole of the day
with the opposition of the Thames Avon Railway and
Dock Company.

GROUP XXX.

GIZZAT I•7OI?.TEZRN (ISLE OF AXHOLME

EXTIMTS X 0 MT). •
The Committee met at the usual hour, and was occu-
pied the whole of the day in hearing evidence in favour
of the prt.posed extension.

STANDING ORDERS COMMITTEE.
HOUSE OF LORDS.—(THIS DAY.)
-The following Bills were declared to have gone
through Committee :
London v-,(1 North-Western Railway (Newport Pagnall,
Olney, &c., Branch).
London ana North-Western Railway (Atherstone
Branch).
Manchester and Birmingham and North Staffordshire
Junction Railway.
Aberdeen and Great North of Scotland Amalgamation.
Great Northern Railway (Purchase of Ambergate).
London and North-Western Railway (Branches from
lienilwort:l to Berkswell).
Derbyshire, Str,,fordshire, and Worcester Junction
Railvvny.

David Leahy, Esq., one of the New Court judges,
died this morning at half-past ten o'clock. He was judge
for Lambeth, Greenwich, &c.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT,

(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF LORDS.
ROYAL ASSENT.

The royal assent was given to-day by commission to
the following twenty-eight Bills;—The Army Ser-
vice Bill ; the Loan Discount Bill ; the Poor Removal
(lringland and Scotland Bill) ; Towns Improvement
Clauses Bill ; Drainage of Lands Bill ; the Burgh
Police (Scotland) Bill ; the Lunatic Asylums (Ireland)
Bill ; Turnpike-roads (Ireland) Bill ; Belfast Port and
Harbour Bill ; Aberdeen Harbour Improvement Bill ;
Runcorn Gas Bill; B:ngley Gas Bill; Dublin Con-
sumers' Gas Bill; Imperial Continental Gas Association
Bill; Warrington Gas Light and Coke Company Bill ;
Commercial Gas Light and Coke Company Bill ;
Darwen Waterworks, &c., and Reservoirs Bill ; the
Sheffield Markets Bill ; the Edinburgh Markets and
Customs Bill ; the Wakefield Borough Market Bill ;
Ewell Rates Bill; Meropolitan Sewage Manure Com-
pany Bill; Bridge House Estates Debt Bill; London
Sewage Chemical Manure Company Bill; Plymouth and
Tavistock Turnpike Roads Bill (No. 2); Waterford
Roads Bill; Glasgow and Shotts Roads Bill; and the
Tenington Marsh Division, Allotment, and Inclosure
Bill.

The Lords Commissioners were the Lord Chancellor,
Lord Campbell, and the Earl of Shaftesbury.
The LORD CHANCELLOR tiOk his seat on the Wool-
sack shortly after Five o'Clock.
BATAS AND NV ASIIHOUSES BILL.
Lord STOURTON presented a petition signed by
several proprietors of private baths against the proposed
Baths and Washhouses Bill.
Lord BROUGHAM thought it most unfair that the
proprietors of baths should be called upon to pay rates
towards the support of public baths which would have
the effect of taking from them their very means of
obtaining subsistence.
Lord MONTEAGLE explained that the petitioner
did not wish to throw any impediment in the way of
establishing private baths. What they objected to was,
that their property in baths should be taxed, for the
purpose of establishing private baths, which of course
would enter into competition with their own.
TITHE COMMISSIONERS.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE presented the annual
report of the Tithe Commissioners.
HOLYHEAD HARBOUR.
Earl FITZWILLIAM presented the report of the
Commissioners of Holyhead Harbour.
RAILWAY COMMUNICATION BETWEEN LON

DON AND BIRMINGHAM.
Lord REDESDALE postponed his motion on this
subject until Friday—" That the railway commissioners
be directed to inquire into the accommodaton afforded
by the several lines of railway now open, or in the course
of construction or projected between London and Bir-
mingham, and to report to this House early in the en-
suing session of Parliament in what manner they are of
opinion that the interests of the public may be most effec-
tually secured in regard to such lines, and whether it is
expedient that the broad gauges should be extended to
Birmingham, and if so, in what mariner such an arrange-
ment can be cart ied into effect with the least interference
with existing interests, and with the system of railway
communication as settled by the Act for regulating the
gauge of railway:s, and what conditions it would be de-
sirable to annex to any permission granted to the Great
Western or other railway companies to lay down a broad
gauge contrary to the provisions of the said Act."
MASTERS OF UNION WORKHOUSES.
The Earl of St. GERNIAINS wished to know whether
salaries of intended to make any addition to the ot the masters of union workhouses, as prayed
for in the petition presented by him the other night ?
The Marquis of
LAIsiSI;_) WNE said the- subject
was under the attention of the Government, and would
be further considered
Act was before their Lowricalsehl. the Poor-law Amendment
SUGAR USED lispIiISTILLERIES.
Lord WH XRNCLIFFE wished to know if the Go-
vernment could furnish a return of the quantity of sugar
which had been used for some time past
in breweries
and distilleries.
The Earl of CLARENDON was not able then to
give a reply, he would make inquiries.
CHURCH TEMPORALITIES ACTS AMEND-
MENT (IRELAND) BILL.
The Archbishop of DUBLIN moved the second read-
ing of the Church Temporalities Bill. The Right Rev.
Prelate, who addressed the House in a very indistinct
tone of voice, wss understood to represent the object of
the Bill to be th., removal of restriction upon the Royal
Prerogative of tae Crown, in regard to the establish-
ment of dear..ries and bishoprics in Ireland, and to
enable the i:rown to revive the see of Kildare.
For his own part he was not influenced by a desire to
save labour so much as to make that labour more
effective for the benefit r f the Church. That was the
view taken by the petitioners from Ireland, and also by
those of England. He begged leave to move the second
reading of the Bill.
The Bishop of EXETER seconded the motion. He
was• glad the Right Rev. Prolate. who had made the
motion was not a,hamed to confess that the knowledge
he had acquired of Irclund bad cm:bled him to judge
more accurately of the spiritual necessities of that
country.

Marquis of LANSDOWNE thought that this
Bill could not pass without disturbing the whole
foundations 02 the settlement made seventeen
years since v.ith respect to the Irish Church. When
he considered that the whole Protestant population
of Ireland did not exceed that of two English sees; he
thought that even the argument put forward
by the Most Noble Prelate on the ground of
the scattered population of the country, was not
a sufficient ground for disturbing the settlement.
effected by the pas3ing of Church Temporalities Act in
the year 1833. If the proposed measure were to be car-
ried into effect in one instance there was
no telling where the interference would stop.—(Hear.)
The see of Kildare was, by law, at present placed
under the superintendence of the Primacy of
Dublin, and he did not see that any case
had been made out for severing that connection.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took tl:Le Chair shortly before Four
o'clock.

SEC(,ND READINGS.
Huggen's Colief' e Incorporation Bill was read a second
time, n
.eds to be committed:—
a. d.order

REPORTS.
The fol:iowing Reports were brought up and ordered
to lie ein the table:—
Batlawick Church.
ll",:ingston-upon-Hull Dock Company.
Liverpool Fire and Life Insurance Company.
CONSIDERATION OF REPORTS.
The Reports on the following Bills were further con-
sidered and agreed to:—
Edinburgh and Northern Bailway (Branch from Burntis-
land to Dunfermline Branch, &c.) (No. 2)
Newbury Cemetery.
Tunstall Paving, Lighting, Cleansing, Watching, Im-
provement, and Market.
THIRD READINGS.
The following Bills were read a third time and
passed :
Colchester Navigation and Improvement.
Eastern Union Railway (Branch from Manningtree to
Harwich).
Eastern Counties Railway (Purchase of the North
Woolwich Railway, &c.)
Edinburgh, Leith, and Granton Railway (Leith and
Granton).
Edinburgh and Northern, and Edinburgh, Leith, and
Granton Railways Amalgamation.
Guildford Extension and Portsmouth and Fareham Rail-

way.
Legal Quays (London).
Lincoln's Inn Rating.
Rathmines Improvement.
Taw Vale Railway and Dock (Deviations and Bideford
and South Moulton Branches).
Townsend Peerage.
Tyne Decks.
York and Newcastle and Newcastle and Berwick Rail-

ways Amalgamation.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS.
The Lords' amendments to the British Commercial
Insurance Company's Bill (No. 2), were considered and
agreed to.

SALE OF SPIRITS.
Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition, adopted at
a large meeting held in Exeter Hall, on Whit Monday,
and signed by upwards of 4,000 persons against the
sale of intoxicating liquors.
MEDICAL REGISTRATION BILL.
The Earl of ARRUNDEL and SURREY presented
petitions in favour of the Medical Registration Bill.
EDUCATION GRANT.
The NOBLE EARL also presented petitions from the
Catholics of Arundel, praying that they might be
allowed to participate in any grant for education.
RAILWAY BILL.
Mr. ROSS presented a petition from the Munster
Railway Company against the Railway Bill (No. 2).
IRISH RAILWAY BILL.
Mr. ROCHE presented petitions from Charleville and
Fermoy, in favour of the Irish Railway Bill.
TENANT RIGHT BILL.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD presented a petition
from Cork in favour of the Tenant Right Bill.
Mr. B. CABBELL presented a petition in favour of
the Tenants' Right Bill, and another in favour of the
Health of Towns Bill.
PRIVATE BILLS.

Mr. HODG SON moved That it be an instruction to the
Committee for Revision of Standing Orders, in carrying
out the instruction of the House relative to the constitu-
tion and practice of all Committees on Private Bills
(other than railway Bills), to make provision fur local
representation in such Committees.
Sir WILLIAM HEATIICOTE considered it

was best to exclude local Members altogether, but
as it was desirable that the House should be
perfectly unanimous on the subject of the standing or-
ders, he would not object to the motion of his Hon.
Friend.

Sir J. GRAHAM did not think there was any neces-
ity for the motion, but as it had been proposed he
would not oppose it.
Mr. GREENE concurred with his Right Hon.
Friend, that there was no necessity for the motion.
After a few words from Mr. Strutt, Mr. E. Denison,
Sir Charles Price, and Mr. Foster, the motion was
agreed to.

IRISH RAILWAYS BILL.
Mr. D. CALLAGHAN presented several petitions
from Cork in favour of the Railways (Ireland) Bill.
LEICESTER WATER-WORKS BILL.
On the motion of Mr. GISBORNE, this Bill was read
a third time and passed.
BOWES ESTATE BILL.
Mr. GREENE moved—" That the Examiner of Peti-
tions for Private Bills have leave to sit and proceed, with
reference to Bowes Estate Bill, to-morrow."
Motion agreed to.
WYNDHAM'S ESTATE BILL AND SIR HENRY
WILLOUGHBY ROOKE'S ESTATE BILL.
Mr. GREENE moved—" That the Examiner of Peti-
tions for Private Bills have leave to sit and proceed on
Wyndham's Estate Bill and Sir Henry Willoughby
Rooke's Estate Bill to-morrow."
This motion was also agreed to.
Sir A. CLIFFORD, the Usher of the Black Rod, ap-
peared at the table, and summoned the Speaker and the
House to the House of Lords, to hear the Royal Assent
given by commission to several Bills, for which see
Lords report.
MEDICAL REGISTRATION BILL.
Sir G. GREY presented a petition in favour of the
Medical Registration Bill.
Lord J. RUSSELL presented a similar petition.
GRANTS TO IRISH RAIWAYS.
Mr. F. FRENCH presented several petitions from
various places in Ireland, in favour of the motion for a
grant of money in aid of the Irish railways.
Mr. MANGLES also presented a petition in favour of
the Medical Registration Bill.
POOR-LAW ADMINISTRATION BILL.
On the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, the order
of the day for the third reading of the Poor-law Ad-
ministration Bill, was read for the purpose of being
postponed.
Mr. CHRISTIE said that he was sorry to be obliged
to ask the indulgence of the House for a further
explanation upon a personal subject, and he trusted that
the House would think that it was not his fault that
public business was again delayed that evening • but the
Hon. Member for Wolverhampton had, without' giving
him any notice of his intention to do so, reverted, on
Friday evening last, to a matter which was in dispute
between them. On Thursday last he gave a direct
denial to a statement put forward by the Hon-
ourable Member for Wolverhampton that he Mr.
Christie) had asked Sir Frankland Lewis, when en-
gaged upon the Andover Committee, as to the existence
of an arrangement between him and his son, as to his
retirement from office. Alter he (Mr. Christie) had
denied that statement, the Hon. Member for Wolver-
hampton interrupted hi:n and contradicted it, and he a
second time distinctly denied it. On Friday evening
the Hon. Member for Wolverhampton reiterated the
statement which he (Mr. Christie) had twice denied, and
brought forward evidences and authorities before that
House, to show that the question which he dis-
puted had been put. If he had put this ques-
tion, and had afterwards twice denied it, then
he could not escape the charge of wilful falsehood,
which had been the subject of remark from the Hon.
Member for Wolverhampton, on Friday last, without
notice to him that he intended to bring it for-
ward. He hoped the House would now allow
him to state what had taken place on that occa-
sion. Sir F. Lewisshad already given the Committee a
very unfavourable opinion of Mr. Chadwick, and he
asked Sir Frankland why, entertaining such an opinion
of the gentleman in question, he had retained him in
his office for four successive years. Having got an
answer, he (Mr. Christie) proceeded to ask Sir Frank-
land about his son succeeding him in the office of
Poor-law Commissioner, and he made a preamble to the
question somewhat in this wise—" On your ceasing to
be a Poor-law Commissioner, I believe a previous
arrangement has been made for your son
succeeding you." Upon the word arrangement
being mentioned Sir Frankland Lewis imme-
diately showed symptoms of strong feeling
on the subject. He (Mr. Christie) then turned to the
Noble Chairman and wished him to clear the room.
The room was then ordered to be cleared; but Sir F.
Lewis entreated to be heard in answer. The Hon.
Member for Finsbury (Mr. Wakley) thought his answer
should be heard. But the room was cleared, and
he (Mr. Christie) rose as having been the
person to wish the room to be cleared,
and said, that he was surprised at the feel-
ing which he had unhappily been the occasion
of exciting, and he begged to say that he would not
push for an answer. If Sir F. Lewis, however, should
wish to answer the question he would do so, not
at his (Mr. Christie's); suggestion, but at his
own wish. It seemed, however, that the Honour-
ablenwlasti differently, Member for Wolverhampeon bad brought
could
forward._e a letter from Sir F. Lewis, stating the thing
His (Mr. Christie's) opinion was, that there
Inscootnceelption at the time, and indeed Sir F. Lewis
understand what had passed, con-
ng the atr.elyxcitement to which he was sub-
to the shor traneda
con-
fect at the
writer's notes. The short-hand
Reference, however, was made
nvoenr.ycorreet statement in his
writer had made
report, which the
be Member for Wolverhampton
himself admitted to
he thought that that uoill,,,t(u)srtabicontradictory, and
admitted that contradiction, e Member having
should h
slow to impeach the veracity ef another been
in this matter. The Honourable Iteerbeprerson
for
Wolverhampton also read a report from `timber
which gave a long account of what occurred before nitre,
room was cleared. He would read that report to the
House, and he begged to observe that the Hon. Member
for Wolverhampton did not read all that report. (The
Hon. Member here read that portion of the report,

commencing with the question to Sir Frankland Lewis,
" Did you not leave the commission on the belief that
your son should succeed?" and terminating with the
'observation of Mr. Christie, that " he had cleared the
room ;" and continued)—So the Times reporter as-
serted that he had cleared the room. Now the Hon.
Member for Wolverhampton asserted that he had
not done so. The report continued:—" He cleared the
room because he wished to explain to the Committee
that the question had been misunderstood by Sir
Frankland Lewis, and he wished to explain that he did
not wish to make any imputation on his (Sir
Frankland Lewis's) son." The Hon. Member con-
tinued. Now, on his honour as a gentleman, and as a
Member of that House, he never did put any question of
that description; and if he had put such a question, he
should be the very first to admit that his
conduct was deserving of the utmost condemnation.
He should now read a letter from the Hon. Member for
Shaftesbury. The Hon. Member did so, and the letter
fully bore out the statement of the Hon. Member. He
was extremely grateful to the House for this opportunity
of explanation.
Lord COURTENAY said that his recollection sub-
stantially agreed with the statement made by the
Honourable Gentleman. He could now have no
doubt that his Honourable Friend was the per-
son who suggested that the room should be
cleared, and on the parties having withdrawn, he took
the earliest opportunity of explaining that his question
had been misunderstood, and that he deeply regretted
the pain which had been inflicted upon Sir F. Lewis.
Of the ability with which the inquiry had been conducted,
all were equally agreed to speak highly. It should be
recollected that two gentlemen appeared there as advo-
cates, which rendered it necessary to give to the exanai •
nation more of a personal character than was usual on
such investigations as these. But, during the whole of
that inquiry, he was bound to say that his Hon. Friend
had conducted his inquiries with the most entire absence
of personal feeling, and with the utmost desire to exhibit
fairness towards all concerned.
Mr. DISRAELI and Mr. MuNTz rose at the same mo-
ment, and as the latter stated that he only wishes to
make one observation, the former was giving way to
him, when—

L.ore JOHN RUSSELL interposed, and said that he
had only wished to offer one word, which was to move
the order of the day, to give the Hon. Member for Wey-
mouth an opportunity for his personal explanation, and
he thought that that purpose being answered it was un-
necessary to protract the discussion.
Mr. DISRAELI said that he had not the slightest
desire to prolong this conversation, but as .the Hon.
Member for Wolverhampton (Mr. Villiers) was nut
present, he was bound to say that, during an inquiry, in
the course of which more than thirty thousand ques-
tions were at•ked, not one had been put which was not
relevant to the matter ; and he stated this because he
believed that great misapprehension prevailed rela-
tive to the course which had been pursued in
this Committee. He the more desired to say this be-
cause he believed that nobody could act with more fair
ness than the Hon. Member for Weymouth ; and he
had certainly shown himself master of the subject, and
that was a great quality. No one could have acted with
greater propriety than he had done.
Sir JOHN PAKINGTON said that he was bound to
say that he heard every question, and he could not for-
bear bearing honourable testimony to the conduct of
the Honourable Gentleman. He did not think either
with reference to the particular question complained of,
that it was made, or that his general mode of examina-
tion was unfair.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. CHRISTIE wished to explain, that the reason
be did not give notice of this explanation was, that it
was merely a matter of veracity on his (Mr. Christie's)
part, not involving any one but himself.