The Sun.
London, England, 1849-03-01 00:00:00

Baron, familiar as he was with Parliamentary proceed-
ings, would at once perceive that be (the Marquis of
Lansdowne) mold only answer them with ieserve in
point of forte, though he might answer them correctly in
point of substance. As to what had occurred in their
own House, he had no difficulty at all in answering. In
their Lordships' Committee he had pursued a course
which he thought consistent h the position of the
Committee, being, as it was, a Committee of Inquiry.
He considered himself to be perfectly justified in laying
before it the substance, and the substance only, of certain
propositions which, he understood; had been made, or
would be male, in the Committee of the House
of Commons. Ho had not laid them before the Com-
mittee in the shape of resolutions, but had communi-
cated them simply as suggestions which had been, or
might be, made in the other House. He was extremely
desirous that the fullest opportunity should be given to
their Lcml.hips' Committee to examine into all those
sure o s i o.; and he was ready to submit that the fullest
unity tor inquiry should be also had elsewhere.
He begged their Lordships, however, to consider the
Iff Tent positions in which the two Hou.es were placed,
and to enable them to do so he would now proceed to
explain what had occurred in another place. The ques-
tion of the Noble Boron called on him, after explaining
his own conduct in that House, to explain not only the
conduct of one of his colleagues elsewhere, but also to
explain the motives of a number of Members of Parlia-
ment acting in a Committee of the other House, some-
times in accordance with, and sometimes in opposition
to, the Government. He possessed no particular infor-
mation on those points. It was notorious, however, that
a proposition made by his Noble Colleague, the First
Lord of the Treasury, to the Committee of the House
of Commons, had be=en assented to by a large majority
of it, and that there had been subsequently another mo-
tion made by another Noble Friend of his own, which
had also been assented to. It was impossible
fur hint (the Marquis of Lansdowne) to explain the
course so taken without assuming the motives which
might have influenced his two Noble Friends
and the other Members of the Committee. The reasons
laid before that Committee embraced a vast variety of
topics—not so confined as to make the future sitting of
their Lordships' Committee idle and useless, because a
too hasty decision had been come to on one point, but
involving a multitude of questions connected with the
whole condition of Ireland, into all of which, no matter
whether one of them was adopted or rejected, it was
fitting that the Committee should inquire. Now, he
begged to call the attention of their Lordships to this
fact, that at present the only resolution which had been
assented to by the Committee in the other hoarse of Par-
liament, and which now stood before it as a legislative
proposition, was a resolution indispensably connected with
the immediate relief of Ireland, now plunged into a state of
the utmost and most appalling distress; and it might oc-
cur to their Lordships, us it did occur to him, as a reason
for the course taken in that Committee, that the members
of it, anxious as they were to obtain the most com-
plete information on every point connected with the
Irish poor-law, were still more anxious upon one point,
on which there was no room for delay, namely, on that
which was connected with the providing subsistence for
the famishing poor of Ireland during the next few
months. He had no hesitation in saying that he wished
that no separation bed been made between the first re-
solution and those which immediately :followed it. He
had no hesitation in saying that he thought that if any-
thing in the shape of immediate relief was to be enter-
tained it ought to be entertained in conjunc-
tion with another proposition, of which the effect
would be to establish a maximum of poor-rate
in all the counties of Ireland. He was of opinion that
the eatahlishment of such a maximum in conjunction
with the preservation of the lives of the people of Ire-
land was an object of paramount importance. He be-
lieved that in the absence of such a maximum, the un-
certainty attending on the amount to which the poor-
rates might be raised in counties where the potato crop
had entirely failed was an item which deserved tobe taken
into account along with any other measures which
might be devised tor the bent fit of the district. He was
only stating that which was consistent with the know-
hedge of many of their Lordships when he stated, that in
some counties of Ireland it was impossible to let land
which had been abandoned, except in the most objec-
tionable of all forms, namely, that of small allotments,
and that the effect cf he poor-law, as it now stood,
without any rectification, was to give direct encourage-
ment to that which all legislation should be directed to
discourage—the infinite subdivision of land in Ireland,
the source of all the mischief's which their Lordships
were then seeking to obviate. He certainly wished that
tha‘ part of the r, solutions which related to the rate in
aid hal been combined, and had none together with a
proposition for establishing a maximum of rate. lie was
not able, as he said before, to explain the motives of
those Members of the other House of Parliament who
had thought it necessary to separate the
two, and to report the former only to the
House for separate legislation. He was, how-
ever, prepared to say that, seeing the great emer-
gency of Ireland seeing the necessity of affording ur
mediate relief to the absolute starvation of hundreds is
that country, seeing the necessity of providing a remedy
at once for an existing evil, they might argue thus with
themselves:—" We will report that resolution which
will meet and repress the most urgent evil, and, while we
do that, we will take time to consider the propriety of
establishing a maximum rate, the amount which it shall
not exceed, and the regulations to which it shall be sub-
ject." He could not positively say that such were the
motives of those Hon. Members, but it seemed to him
likely that such motives might have governed their
conduct. In the other House of Parliament it web
quite clear that he could not discourage the early
introduction of legislative measures which required
long tune for deliberation. Inquiry was still goies on
there into this very important and delicate subject, and
the introduction of a Bill into the House of Commons
at this period of the session might save much time be-
fore the conclusion of it. In the Committee appointed
by their Lordships opportunity had been afforded,
and would be afforded, to prosecute inquiry, not only
into this, but into every other point connected
with the administration of the poor-laws. He there-
fore considered that there was nothing but an apparent
inconsistency in the course recommended by Govern-
ment to the two Committees. Their Lordships could not
come soon to a conclusion on the points submitted to
them, and the House of Commons had found it necessary
to apply immediate relief to impending starvation. Be
fully agreed with the Noble Baron, that a rate in aid
without any limitation was subject to very grave and se-
rious objections; and he said so, considering it as intro-
duced into the permanent legislation of Ireland. He bad
not, however, had any opportunity before the present to
say that no consideration upon earth would induce bills
to assist in carrying a measure which would establish
rate in aid as part of the permanent poor-law of Ireland.
It was only as a temporary expedient to afford facilities
for meeting a great and existing evil that the present
measure, limited as it was in amount and in time, had re-
ceived his acquiescence. Further than that measure be
could not go; nay, more, he should be prepared to im-
plore their Lordships not to concur in establishing a sys-
tem which would be permanently injurious to the indus-
trial interests of Ireland In conclusion he concurred in
the propriety of Lord Stanley's recommendation that this
question should be calmly discussed, without any angry
recriminations between English and Irish landed pro-
prietors.

- Lord BROUGHAM hs,d experienced great pleasure
in remarking the reluctance with which his Noble Friend
opposite had given his acquiescence to the proposition
-tor a rate in aid. He hoped that further consideration
would lead his Noble Friend to withdraw even that scanty
acquiescence. He pointed out the impossibility of main'
taming a maximum rate in a season of extreme distress,
and the probability of the maximum soon becoming the
minimum rate in ordinary times. He trusted that this
grant of 50,000/. would be the last grant made to Ire-
land, and lamented that, by the absurd forms of the
two Houses of Parliament, their Lordships would not
have an opportunity of expressing their opinion upon It
until every farthing of the 50,000/. had been spent.
The motion, as we understood, was then by leave
withdrawn.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

CHILD-MURDER IN LIVERPOOL.— On Saturday
night Catherine Herbert, a young woman, was taken
into custody charged with the murder of her new •horis
child. The prisoner, who is, we learn, not a resident In
town, but had come here with the view of emigration to
America, was lodging at a house in Sherwood-street.
She there, it is alleged, unknown to the other inmates of
the house, delivered herself of a child, and, by tying her
garter round its neck, afterwards strangled it.— Liverpool
Albion.

MILITARY AMATEUR THEATRICALS.—On Monday
evening the amateurs of the garrison of Kilkenny, con-
sisting of members of the 75th Regiment, and soldiers 0.
the 7th Hussars, performed the play of Robert Macaire,
and the farce of Box and Cox, the latter lately patronised
by the Queen, at Windsor Castle. Both pieces were well
performed, and showed a preat improvement in the his-
trionic skill of the amateurs. The performances were
very respectably and numerously attended. Many of
the officers, with their ladies, were present.
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BIRTHS.
On the 24th ult., at Rockbeare, Devon, Mrs. James Smart,
of a son.

On the 25th ult., at Thornton-row, Greenwich, Mrs. B•
A. Marsden. of a daughter.
On the 26th ult., at Tywardreath Parsonage, Cornwall, °J•
wife of the Rev. John Coventry, of a son.

MARRIED.
On the 24th ult., at the Cathedral T. Manchester, Mr. •
Matthews, of Manchester, to Sarah Ann, second daughter of
Mr. Terry, of Thistle-grove, New Bromptor, London.

DIED.
On the 23d ult., Mr. T. Baker, !we of Southampton.
On the 25th ult., at Chalk Farm-lane, Hampstead-roadt
Thomas Long, Esq., aged 34.
On the 6th ult., at Hastings, N7iss Crump, late of
Dlill-
hill, Hendon.
On the 2ith ult., in Lower Grosvenor-place, Pimlico, IL
S. Paul, Esq.. of the Hill-house, Glocestershire, aged 81.
On the 2ith ult., at the Grove, WoodfOrd, Annie, the
dangly er of 'N. Sykes, Esq
On the 2::th ult., at Stratford-on•Ayou, Warwickshire, W
W. Wtston, L q., aged 49.
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