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CONSTABULARY.

Sir EDWARD KNATC RBULL moved for leave
to bring in a Bill to provide for the appointment and
payment of parish constables in England and Wales.
Mr. F. MAULE would not object to the intro-
duction of the au, although he should reserve to
himself the right of objecting to it upon its future
stages. He hoped, however, that it would not havo
the effect of resuscitating the old system of consta-
bulary in England. _ _

Mier a fens words from Mr. L. HODGES and Sir
E. KNATCH BULL, leave was given to bring in the
Bill.

PORTUGUESE CLAIMS.

Viscount SANDON rose and said he was
very sorry to be obliged again to trouble the House
with a question which had already too often
occupied its attention. He had hoped from what tran-
spired last Session, that the claims of British subjects
upon the Portuguese Government were in a fair way of
being adjusted, and would require no further interfer-
ence on his part. But on his return to London
be found that the settlement of the claims
of British officers and soldiers upon the Crown
of Portugal were exactly in the same position as when
the Parliament closed. He found that there was not
one claim settled, and that no step had been taken
towards the final adjustment. In order to show the
House that he was not needlessly complaining of
delay, he would remind them of the state of this
question.—(Hear.) In the first place, these &aims
had now remained unsettled for the space of six years.
In the month of March last year, his Noble Friend the
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, announced in
that year, that the Portuguese Government had at
length agreed to appoint Commissioners for the
purpose of settling these claims. In answer to a ques-
tion which he (Lord Sandon) put to his Noble Friend, he
stated that & Commissioner had been appointed by that
Government, and on the 30th March that a Commissioner
had also been appointed by the British Government.
In May the Portuguese Commissioner arrived, and in
the month of June the claimants applied to the British
Commissioner for information how they were to pro-
ceed. On the 29th of June he ( Lord Sandon) took the
liberty of putting to his Noble Friend further
questions, and the reply was, in a few days the Com-
missioner would be able to begin the investigation. The
first sign of life which the Commissioners publicly
gave was an announcement in the month of Novem-
ber that they were appointed, and even then they did
not say that they were prepared to investigate
claims. It was not till the month of De-
cember that they invited the claimants to
bring their claims before them. Now he (Lord
Sandon) had discovered that up to that very moment
there had not :been a single claim investigated. A
question still existed, he believed, between the Com-
missioners, or between the Governments upon what
principle these claims were to be adjusted, or what was
the contract upon which they would rest. Consider-
ing that it was stated in the early part of last Session
that there was then no question at issue that might not
be settled in a few days, and that if the Portuguese
Government did not proceed with the matter within
fourteen days the British Government were prepared
to take the question into their own hands, he was sur-
prised that the British Government should not have
made up their mind earlier what was the contract upon
which rested the claims of British subjects ; and if they
bad not yet done so, he thought the earliest steps
should be taken for the purpose of cffectig an adjustment.
He was most anxious to call the attention of the House
to the condition of the question, and he should therefore
take the liberty of moving for the following returns :
Copy of the mixed British and Portuguese Commission
for investigating and determining the Naval and Mili-
tary Claims on the Government of Portugal, arising out
of the late war of restoration ; also a copy of the Con-
vention between the British and Portuguese Go-
vernments relating to the issuing of such Commission.
Copy of the Instructions and Rules framed for the
guidance and direction of the Commissioners. Return
of what has been done by the Commissioners, and what
progress has been made in the investigation of claims,
and the number of claims, if any, us hich have been
investigated and adjudicated ; and, if not any, the
causes of the delay.
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duties. This occupied some time, but at length a satis-
factory code was agreed to. The question of
contracts of service was the first difficulty
which the Commissioners had to cneounter, aed
it could not be settled in a few days, es his' lion.
Friend supposed. In order to prepare for any difference
of opinion that might arise, the Commissioners appointed
the Belgian Minister as an umpire to decide upon all dis-
puted points. Toot functionary accepted the office with
great readiness, although it was certainly one of greater
labour than pleasure. He was eminently qualified
to discharge the duties that he undertook, not
only by his habits of business, but by his
high character, which gave to both parties the fullest
confidence in his decisions. The first subject which the
Commissioners had to refer to him was that of the con-
tract of service, and it was now under his consideration.
The argument on the subject had been come to by
diplomatic cummunication, partly written and partly
v"1).11. Ile would have no objection to lay before the
House the papers moved for, with the exception of
the two first, which could not then be produced.
Lord SANDON thought there was no reason for
refusing the documents ; and he saw no excuse for the
delay which had taken place on the subject.
Lord PALNIERSI ON said that it was obvious
there could be no use in going into an examination of
the details of the claims until they had settled the
question of the principle.
Sir DE LACY EVANS said that he had reason to
believe the matter was not' in a very fair course for et
settlement ; and he trusted it would be soon brought to
a satisfactory conclusion. lie wished to observe that

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EVENING EDITION

be felt very strongly as to the conduct of the Portu-
guese Government ; and he believed it would probably
be found that the whole of the delay of six years was
attributable to the want of good faith on the part of
that Government. He thought it due to the claimants
to make that observation. If the Noble Lord the
Secretary for Foreign Affairs, should find by and bye,
when the investigation was proceeded with, that these
delays and these cruel and arbitrary proceedings towards
the claimants were distinctly to be traced to the Por-
tuguese Government, it was to be hoped that he would
support, not the right to an ordinary compensation for
the delay and vexation they bad suffered, but the most
ample compensation fbr every loss and inconvenience
they had sustained.
The papers were then ordered to be granted, with
the exception of the two first moved for.
DESTITUTION IN THE HIGHLANDS.
Mr. HENRY BAILLIE, in rising to bring forward
the motion of which he had given notice, for the appoint-
ment of a Select Committee to inquire into the condi-
tion of the population of the Islands and Highlands of
Scotland, with a view to affording the people relief by
means of emigration, felt the deep responsibility which
every one must incur who brought forward a motion in
which the future happiness of so many of his fellow-
countrymen must depend, and if he did not feel that the
cause itself was so just as not to require any artificial
advantages from the manner in which it should be
pressed on the attention of the House, he should have
hesitated in presenting himself to the house on the pre-
sent occasion. Flu was no enthusiast in the cause of
emigration ; he was not one of those who thought the
Government bound to bring forward an extensive system
of emigration for the benefit of all the population of the
United Kingdom. On the contrary, be believed that un-
less an urgent, peculiar, and special case were clearly made
out, the Government would not be justified in interfering,
and unless he succeeded in making out such a case, he
should feel that the House would not be bound to sup-
port his motion. It was hardly necessary to enter into
details regarding the kelp manufactory, as it had existed
on all the coasts of the Islands and Highlands of Scot-
land. That manufactory had existed as far back as the
seventeenth century, and had been fostered and en-
couraged by a protective system. The encouragement
bad been withdrawn, the manufacture had declined, and
now had nearly ceased altogether, in consequence of
the reduction of the duties on salt, sulphur, and ha-
rilla. The duty on sulphur had been reduced, and the
tax on salt had been abolished at the close of the last
war. A new manufacture from these two articles bad
been then established, called British alkali, which was
found to be in almost all cases an efficient substi-
tute for kelp. Tois was the first blow the kelp
manufacture had received, still it had continued
to exist until the further reduction of the duty on barilla,
when it ceased to exist altogether as a profitable specu-
lation. It was, however, he believed, still carried on,
but only small quantities were manufactured, at a great
loss to the manufacturer, merely for the purpose of giv-
ing employment to the destitute population. The con-
sequences of this reduction had been most ruinous to
the landed proprietors. Some who had vast posses-
sions had been able to struggle against it, but the smaller
proprietors, and those whose estates were burdened
with family settlements, had been absolutely and com-
pletely ruined. Ile might mention many cases of hard-
ship, but he did not appear there as the advocate of
the landed proprietors ; they did not complain, because
they knew that private interests must yield to public
good. They. called upon tho House, in fairness and
justice, to assist them in removing the super-
abundant population from their estates, who, from
no fault of their own, but in consequence of the legis-
lation of that House, had been deprived of all means
of subsistence. He was aware that he might be told
by some Hon. Member his motion was partial and
restrictive, and that it ought to include Ireland ; but
he would beg to observe that the distress which existed
in Ireland did not arise from the incapabilities of the
soil, but from other sources. The highlanders, how-
ever, had no expectation that their condition would
ever be improved. No influx of capital, no ingenuity
of man, could devise means by which the mountains
and glens they now inhabited could be made capable
of affording sufficient support to the population. In
fact, they had merely a choice of two alternatives—
either to remain where they were, to perish by those
diseases which unhappill had latterly appeared amongst
them, engendered by unwholesome, improper, or in-
sufficient food, or to remove to some distant
country, where, by industry, they might obtain
the means of existence. And, painful as might
be the alternative of going far from their
native country they were prepared and ready to adopt
that course ; they would receive it as a boon, and all
they asked was that the House would afford them the
means of doing so. It was not his intention to occupy
the time of the House ia reading many of the communi-
cations he had received on th subject, because such
evidence would more properly come before a Committee.
There was one letter, however, from one of the largest
manufacturers of kelp in the north of Scotland, which
he should read a few passages from to the House. The
sage of that gentleman was Mr. Duncan Shaw. (The 1
Hon. Member here real an extract from the letter, in
which it was stated that the people were suffering under
the greatest distress, and that the proprietors, having
lost two-thirds of their incomes, were unable to assist
them out of the country.) The only remedy, in his opi-
nion, was emigration, and the country hu proposed to
send them to, as being the most appropriate, was Canada.
—(Hear, hear.) First, with regard to expense, it ap-
peared that they could be sent there for one-fourth the !
charge of sending them to the remote colony of Australia.
He was informed they might be conveyed at the cost
of 31. a head by families. According to the best cal-
culations on the state of the population in the High-
lands, there were about 40,000 persons is an utterly
destitute condition, who must be removed in order to
afford those who remained a chance of obtaining sub-
sistence. The removal of these at 8/. a head, would
cost 120,000/,, but it might be divided in a period of
three years, and 40,0001. a year would effect al! he re-
quired from the Government. In the second place,
though these people were willing to emigrate to Canada,
there would be great difficulty to persuade them to emi-
grate to the distant colonies of Australia. in Canada
there were many of their relations and friends already
settled, whole districts of Highlanders, speaking their
own language, and retaining their manners and customs.
In that country, their own Church was established by
law, and that was a matter of great consideration to
them. Lastly, he thought the Government ought not
to neglect so favourable an opportunity of infusing into
Canada a sound, industrious, British, and, above all,
loyal population. It should not be forgotten that it was
to some Highlaaders, from the districts of Glengarry,
we were lately indebted for the preservation of that
noble province as a portion of our empire. Nor should
we neglect the further opportunity of adding strength to
that loyal body of men, who on all occasions had come
forward so nobly and sacrificed their lives and fortunes
to maintain the authority of the British Crown, and
the supremacy of the mot-her-country. He was aware
the Government had stated serious objections to Cana-
dian emigration. It had been stated that emigrants
sent out from this country to Canada were in the habit
of going over in large numbers to the United States,
where they found a good market for their labour. But
he contended this objection did not apply to these High-
landers. It must Le remembered that they went out
from particular districts, with their wives and families,
and those other ties of relationship and clanship which
were known to be so peculiarly binding among High-
landers ; and he appealed to any in the least acquainted
with the character of that people, whether under these
circumstances they were likely to forsake those with
whom they had left their native country, provided
they were able to obtain the means of subsistence ?
He wished to remind Hon. Members
that those people
bad peculiar claims on their consideration. He would
remind them that in spite of all the misery endured
by these people—in spite of all their distress, Hon.
Members heard of no outrages—no violence—no
Chartism amongst them ; they only heard of the most
patient endurance on their part of the worst and most
intolerable evils. They were therefore entitled to the
l
most favourable consideration of their case. He had
no doubt that the people of England, who sinctioned
a vote of 20 millions sterling for the purpose of better-
ing the social condition of the negroes of the West In-
dies—he had no doubt that the Government, who
only last year obtained a grant of 60,000/, of the public
money, to be appropriated to the civilisation of the Afri-
cans, would not, in the case of a portion of the British
people who were enduring the must intolerable hard-
ships, show themselves opposed to the measure now
proposed. Not only the Government but the people
of England ought to know that the portion of their
countrymen to whom his motion referred had
been reduced by the legislation of that House—
however necessary—however advantageous that legisla-
tion might have been to the rest of the country—to a
state of misery and destitution far greater than those to
whom concessions had been hitherto made. The Hon.
Member concluded by expressing a hope that the House
would acquicse in his motion.
Lord TEIGNMOUTII, in seconding the motion,
observed that if a Committee were granted he was of
opinion that such a strong case would be made out
respecting the miseries endured by those people as, lie
bad no doubt, would induce the Government to depart
from that course of economy which the present state of
the revenue seemed to indicate as indispensably neces-
sary. With regard to Canada being selected as the
place for emigration, he thought that its climate was
far better suited to natives of Scotland than to the
band-loom weavers of England or to the inhabitants of
Ireland. He thought a very strong case had been made
out, at least for an inquiry into the destitute condition
of these unfortunate people.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL would he sorry to have
it supposed that because he did not object to the ap-
pointment of a Committee, that he agreed to the ar-
guments of the Honourable Gentleman and the
Noble Lord. As he hail said last veer,
be did not think the reasons stated made out
a sufficient special case for the grant of a large sum
of money for the purpose of sending tho High-
landers to Canada. He did not think it could be

made out that the distress which existed was owing en-
tirely to the change of the duties on barilla. Even if
that were the case, he doubted whether Parliament
ought to allow a grant of money for the purpose of re-
lieving those whom the landlords might find a burthen
on their hands. Ile should be sorry to admit such a
principle. Besides, it was a question whether, if 120,000/.
were granted fur the relief of the Highlanders, they
would not have claims from the lowlands of Scotland—
from districts of England where particular branches of
industry were greatly depressed, and from parts of Ire-
land where distress and famine had been peculiarly
painful.—( Hear, hear.) Then there were very grave
considerations with respect to sending them to Canada.
The question was not a mere transfer of persons from
this country to Canada, and it would be difficult to
make provision for the infirm and aged and their
families without burthening the Canadians. Be-
sides would it be judicious to follow such a
course without the assent of that Assembly which had
been just called into existence, and echose opinion upon
matters which so deeply concerned them and the fi-
nances of their country, ought to be treated with real
respect and regard ? Without going any farther into
the discussion, he should observe, that it seemed to
him that there were many reasons against the conclu-
sion to which the lion. Gentleman wished to come ;
but, at the same time, he (Lord .1. Russell) should not
refuse the proposed Committee of Inquiry.
Sir R. 11. INGLIS concurred in the general views
expressed by the Hon. Mover.
Mr. WARBURTON objected to the motion. He
thought it would he much more difficult, after the Re-
port was made to the House on the state of those indi-
viduals—that Report being probably favourable to the
grant—he thought it would be more difficult to resist
the grant of money in that case, than it would be to
reject the motion for inquiry itself. lle believed, too,
th.st if an inquiry were to be instituted, it would be
much better conducted by a Commission sent to the dis-
tricts in question than by a Committee sitting in the
House. lie should certainly object to the inquiry for
this farther reason, that it would lead to expectations
cn the part of the individuals which might not after-
wards be realized.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said, that on the whole he
had heard with satisfaction that it was the intention of
the Noble Lord opposite to acquiesce in the motion.
He thought that, considering the sufferings of the in-
dividuals in question, who had found so fitting an advo-
cate in the Hon. Member—(Hear, hear)—who had
in so simple and becoming a manner, stated their case
without misrepresentation or exaggeration. He thought
that, considering the extent of those sufferings, and the
manner in which they had been borne, it would be
harsh on the part of the House to refuse the proposed
inquiry. lie did not anticipate from that inquiry the
result apprehended by the Hon. Gentlemen opposite
(Mr. Warburton). He did not think that expectations
would be encouraged by the appointment of the Com-
mittee which could in any way injure the parties.
lie felt, however, that there was great difficulty
in the way of an extensive scheme of emigra-
tion, but he thought it would be well to point
out to the parties the nature of the relief, if
any, which would be in the power of the House to ex-
tend to them. Let them see what happened in the case
of the handloom weavers, whose distress no one denied,
and whose condition he (Sir R. Peel) looked upon much
in the same way as he did on that of the inhabitants of
the Highlands who had lost their employment in conse-
quence of fiscal regulations, or of new scientific discove-
ries. On the appointment of a Committee of the
House the first impression of the handloom weavers was
that emigration was a ready resource for their griev-
ances. They thought that nothing could be more just or
advantageous than that the State should interfere to pro-
vide for their emigration ; but they had afterwards been
in some measure disabused of that opinion. The fact
was, that when they showed the artisan or the labourer
that his condition, when transferred to a distant colony
without capital, would be one of a very precarious na-
ture, he would be more ready to acquiesce in the deci-
sion of the Legislature than he would before any inquiry
had been instituted. He thought that the inquiry would
show that the sum proposed would be insufficient. They
might undoubtedly transport the parties to Canada, but
they might thereby be doing very little for them. He be•
lieved that if they could prove to those individuals
that they would have to struggle with any great dif-
ficulties in Canada in consequence of the want cf ca-
pital, and the competition they would have to contend
with, as well as of the severity of the winter, they
would give much more satisfaction to the sufferers than
if they were at once to reject an investigation into their
case. He should observe that emigration, in order to
be beneficial to the emigrants, should be conducted
on the most cautious principle. He was not quite
sure but that a Committee of the House of Commons
was a preferable means of inquiry to a mere local
Commission. The Right Hon. Baronet concluded with
expressing his admiration of the character of those
people, and his sympathy with their sufferings.
Mr. HUNIE thought that a Commission would be
the best means of inquiry. If a Committee of the
House of Commons were appointed it would hold out
an inducement to various localities to send up persons
to prove the existence of distress. If no other person
opposed the motion, he would do so, on the ground
that, if agreed to, it would be taken as a pledge
that public money should be advanced for the

purpose of emigration in Scotland alone.--(Hear.)
When there should be a settled Government in Canada,
he admitted there would be a fine field for emigration,
but until this were the case ha thought it would be an
useless expenditure of public money. He thought if
there was great distress in Scotland there was also
great distress in England, and that if a grant of public
money were made for the purpose of emigration it
should be a general grant for the whole kingdom.
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER said
the observations of his Hon. Friend with reference to
the wording of this resolotion were worthy of attention.
He thought instead of saying " with the view of afford-
ing relief by means of emigration," it would be better
to say "to ascertain the practicability of affording re-
lief."—(Hear, hear.) He should not have risen but
for the observations of his Hon. Friend with reference
to sending an officer to Scotland to afford assistance in
cases of great distress. The course which had been
adopted, and which on the whole had been found the
best, was not to come down to Parliament in such cases
for a vote of money, but to send an officer in whom '
they had confidence, with power to give relief at discre-
tion out of the public funds. The present distress in
Scotland was not temporary, bat of long duration, and
had been borne patiently. On these grounds the Go-
vernment did not oppose the motion for a Committee,
but it must not be thence inferred that the Govern-
ment would be prepared to anrd this relief should the
Committee recommend it.

Mr. S. O'BRIEN altogether denied and repudiated
the statements respecting the removal of Canadian
emigrants to the United States. Of 25,000 who emi-
grated last year, if a few went over at least an equal
number returned to Canada. Should a Committee be
granted, and that Committee recommend to Podia-
ment a grant of public money for this purpose, he should
cheerfully contribute his vote in support of that propo•
sition. All he regretted was that the principle was not
carried farther.—( Hear, hear.) It was his intention
to bring forward a motion every Session for the pro-
motion of emigration, not to one colony, or from one
district alone, but to all our colonies, and from the
United Kingdom in general.-- hear, bear.)
Mr. MARK PHILLIPS cordially agreed with tho
motion, if the judicious alteration in the wording pro-
posed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer were made.
The result of the investigation would be looked to with
great interest by another class, to whom feeling allusion
had been male by the Right Hon. Member for Tarn-
worth—he meant the handloom weavers. He had *trim
frequently solicited by the handloom weavers to bring
forward some motion of this sort in their behalf, and in
answer to such solicitation he &sired them to wait until
the Report of the Commissioners of Inquiry should be
published, to sec if they would not recommend some
such plan of relief. With regard to the expense,' he
trusted that the House would never let a matter of
pounds shillings and pence stand between them and
an
attempt to procure some alleviation of suchextensive
distress.—(Hear, hear.) Ile agreed with the l-I
M.lnber for Bridport in thinking that a Com 'tt °an.
not the best mode of investigating the suh'ectan if3f
the Committee should find any difficulty oia ,account
the number of the witnesses, or the distance at which
they they resided, in properly investigating the subject, thon-
he hoped the Gayer:line nt would issue a Commission of
Inquiry. The Committee on the subject of the hand.
loom weavers had experienced that difficulty, and the
Government had very properly issued a Cornmi.ision.
He cordially supported the motion.
Mr. BAILLIE, in reply, stated his willingness to
accede to the alteration proposed by the Chancellor of
the Exchequer; and the motion, so altered, was
agreed to.

ELECTION PETITIONS,
Sir GEORGE CLERK, I;.itli a view. of obviating
the technical difficulty which had arisen, in the case of
the Ludlow election petition last year, proposed the fol-
.owing resolution :—" That on or before the day on
which any election petition, or any petition praying that
the petitioner may be admitted as a party to defend any
Return, or to oppose the prayer of any election petition,
shall be presented to the House, the petitioner do lodge
in the office for election petitions the name of the agent
or any other person upon whom, and the place where,
may he served the notices required to be served on the
petitioner by the General Committee of Elections, pur-
suant to the Act passed in the third year of the reign
of her present Majesty, intituled, An Act to amend
the Jurisdiction for the trial of Election Petitions."
He had had two resolutions on the paper, but it had
been
suggested to him that the one resolution, with the
alteration he had made in it, would effectually accom-
plishecovesridet it
technicaln' objection. the object he had in view.
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thought, however, that the better way would be to
refer the resolution to the Committee on Standing
Orde rs.

-11:1r. GREE.NE said that the subject had already been

under the consideration of the officer of the House,
and he had d,:cided that it was not within the scope
of that Committee.

The resolution was then agreed to.
ORDNANCE SURVEY.

S'r HUSSEY VIVIAN then rose to move for
leave to bring in a Bill for executing the ordnance
survey of England and of Scotland, on a scale to be
specified. After a few words, which were inaudible in
the gallery, the Hon. Baronet proceeded to state, that
in 1825 a survey was made in Ireland on a scale of six
inches to the mile. That scale had been found most
advantageous, and it had long been a source of regret
that the English surveys were not conducted on the
same scale. Great inconveniences had been suffered
which would have been avoided by adopting such a
scale, rind many representations had been sent from
public bodies in its favour. The Hon. Baronet then
read some statements made by persons whose opinions,
he said, were entitled to great weight, recommending
the adoption of the Irish scale of survey. Mr. Dawson,
of the Royal Engineers, in a letter to the Tithe Com-
missioners, stated that a scale of six inches would be
highly beneficial, and supply to the Legislature the
means of judging as to the propriety of encouraging
railroad speculations, instead of being impnsed upon,
as was often the case at present, by the representations
of interested parties. Mr. Chadwick,the Secretary of the
Poor-la w Commissioners,had given his testimony decidedly
in favour of the proposedscale. The testimony of the Phi-
losophical Society of Manchester had also been given most
unequivocally in its favour. These opinions having been
forwarded to her Majesty's Government were forwarded
by them to that distinguished individual, whose opinion
upon every subject was entitled to so much weight,
namely, the Duke of Wellington ; and ho had stated
most distinctly that he thought the survey in this coun-
try ought to be carried en upon a similar principle to the
survey of Ireland. He (Sir Hussey Vivian) was
quite certain that if the scale of six inches to the
mile were adopted great benefit would result.
In Ireland, whenever any new rules were laid down they
could be easily added to the ordnance maps, which the
House would see was a great advantage. He should
be sorry to propose any increase of the public expendi-
ture ur.less there was an equivalent for it. Ha hoped
Hon. Members would see that the present was not a
demand of the public money for warlike preparations,
but one that was essentially necessary, and which would
be not only beneficial to the present generation but to
posterity, and would promote the welfare of the land-
, owner, the manufacturer, and the merchant. Under
these circumstances he trusted that no objection would
be given to his motion for leave to bring in the 13111.
Mr. WARBURTON had great pleasure in second-
ing the motion, and he had no doubt from the rapid
sale of maps upon that extended scale, and the recent
discoveries which had been effected by the electrotype,
that the cost would shortly repay itself. It was well
known that by the recent improvements that had been
made that exact copies could be taken of the plates at
any stage, and in that manner they might be applied to
tithe composition, or any other subject_that might re-
quire it.

- Mr. SHAW bore testimony to the great benefits
that had been conferred on Ireland by the manner in
which the Ordnance survey had been conducted in that
country.

Mr.HUME was ready to acknowledge the courtesy
of the Right Hon. Gentleman in having considerably
reduced the price of the maps to tho public, and he had
no doubt the result of the recent discoveries to which
his Hon. Friend had alluded would reduce the price to
one-third or one-fourth the present cost.
Mr. MARK PHILIPS said, that he expected
great benefit would arise from the passing of the Bill
now sought to be introduced—the more so as the po-
pulation was so rapidly increasing, and the construc-
tion of railways, and the operations of canals, carried
on to such an extent.

Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
then moved the re-appointment of the following Com-
mittee on Banks of Issue :—Mr. Chancellor of the
Exchequer, Sir Robert Peel, Mr. Hume, Mr. Labou-
chere, Mr. Goulburn, Mr. Mark Philips, Mr. O'Con-
nell, Sir James Graham, Mr. Clay, Mr. Gisborne, Sir
John Rae Reid, Mr. Oswald, Mr. Charles Wood, Mr.
Rickford, Mr. Warburton, Mr. Puttison, Mr. Herrics,
Mr. Ellice, Mr. Sergeant Jackson, Mr. Hector, Mr.
Grote, Sir Thomas Fremantle, Mr. John Abel Smith,
Mr. Strutt. Mr. Matthias Attwood, and Mr. Morison.
Mr. HUME wished to ask the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman what were the objects of that Committee, He
(Mr. Hume) was perfectly unaware of what were its
objects; however, ho understood that the Right Hon.
Gentleman was not prepared to make a statement of
that nature, and though he (Mr. Halm) did not think
the question premature, he would not press it. He
hoped, however, that the Right Hon. Gentleman
would take the first opportunity of bringing the matter
before the public when it would be in his power to do
so.—Motion passed.