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i„tistteet; ing engineers and others, who would be re-
‘lll, se carry out the arrangement, would cause
'iltaraense expenditure of money. The importance of the
liiestieu, however, under the Poor Relief Bill, could not be
overestimated. If the Government would say that it had
7,46 ap its mind on the subject it might be worthy of con-
'oration, whether it would not be better to discuss it nsw
;,74 t°
be
it to a future occasion but if the question
I;ht he considered to be still open, then 'he had no objection
Its postponement.
t. LABOUCHERE would not pledge the Government
":1,5Y course of the kind.
Pledge
O'FERRAL said that what he wanted was not to
'lo
the Government to any particular course, but that they
("lid leave the subject open for discussion on a future
occasion.
Mr. LABOUCHERE would give no assurance of the kind
required.
Sir H. W. BARRON regretted the tone of the Hon.
Gentleman below him (Mr. Labouchere). He saw the
teat danger of allowing the extension of the Poor-
t:, in. the manner proposed ; as the electoral die-
tins' as they now wood were quite too large
was convinced that if the Poor-law were extended in Ireland
find not confined to territorial responsibility, the greatest mis-
chiefwonld result to the landlords, and every other interest.
The system of electoral districts had not the effect of stimulat-
ele landlords to improve their properties, and to give employ-
slew, but by narrowing the amount of taxation, that effect
sould result, and the country be greatly benefited. There
ias no landlord, under such circumstances, who would support
the Poor that might be upon his property in idleness, if he
could procure employment for them. And he was surprised
that this argument had not some effect on the Hon. Gentleman
below him (Mr. Labouc'nere), The only tangible argument
e' any force which he had heard against the system of townl nd
division was, that it would tend to a clearance of the estates.
Now it occurred to him that it was strange that the Right Hon.
Gentleman did not see that a remedy could be applied
for the prevention of that. He, himself ( Sir llarron),
had a notice on the books of the House, ss that the landlord
should be bound by law to support every person that be ejected
from his property, for either three or five years. The system
of communities, advocated by the Right Hon. Gentleman,
might be very well in theory, but when reduced to practice, it
would be found by no means so efficient as the town land
system. If they were to have the English law adapted to
Ireland, let them have the division into parishes, inn oduced as
in England. There every parish supported its own poor, and
in ninety nine cases out of a hundred, a parish in England was
not one fourth the extent of an electoral district, neither in
size, in name, nor in any other respect were they analogous.
He hoped that the House would not adopt the vicious principle
of throwing the whole responsibility upon property in Ireland,
for such a principle would render all their efforts at legislation
for Ireland, vain.•-( Hear, hear.)
Mr. BELLEW said that the House could not lose sight of
the question, that the Irish population was in some way to be
Provided for ; but it could not be done by the principle of
throwing the whole burden upon the landed property, as such
a measure would be little short of a confiscation. In Mayo,
Sligo, and many other counties, the rental of the estates would
be eaten up by being obliged to support those who were upon
them. He understood that the Hon. Member for Northamp-
tonshire wished that out-door relief should be given to the
able-bodied paupers, and he believed that the Irish Members
generally, were not in favour of such a principle, but on the
contrary, were opposed to it ; and, he believed, that such a
principle would be most injurious, as it would throw too much
resPonsibility upon the townlands, which rarely exceeded two
or three hundred acres, whilst the present district amounted to
six thousand acres in some instances.
Lord JOHN MANNERS confessed that when he heard
the Right Honourable Gentleman object to the propo-
sitions of the Honourable Member for Northamptonshire,
tor its not being in strict accordance with the principles of the
flEnglish law, he was surprised. Supposing that the proposition
did not strictly accord with the English law, if it produced a
ttactical good in Ireland, why should it be rejected? The
'tight Issn
Ho_ • Gentleman also went on to say, that he wished the
th use to sanction the principle that a man was more to regard
e way he performed his duties to the community than the
".ay he discharged his duties to his property. His firm con-
!union was, that the community would best be served when
V"isidual rights and individual duties were properly main c•
h led. He was only an English Member of that House, but
e thought he might be pardoned if he now took some further
interest in this question. He thought that the Right Hon.
Gentleman, in laying down his principles with respect to the
"titles to the community, was laying the foundation for an in-
7eased area for taxation under the lish poor-law. As an
siglish Member, he should be prepayed whenever the
question was discussed, to pay attention to the opinion
expressed by the Honourable Members for Kildare and
Waterford, ;and not be led away by the expression
of opinion with reference to feudalism, which had nothing to
do with the question.
%M rs OSBORNE said he would not trespass too much upon
e time of the House by the observations he had to make.
Ile thought that the arguments adduced by the Right Hon.
Gentlemancr would certainly carry him to approve of the cape-
eYof a national rate. He thought that the Hon. Member
lforsh Northamptonshire had been somewhat misrepresented in
is debate with regard to the opinion he had expressed, but
hiss immediate object in rising was to draw the attention of the
ease to what he thought as serious a matter. He did not
Fish to interpose any delay before the House went into Com-
mittee. He wished to wash his hands from the responsibility
?f agreeing to this measure which her Majesty's Government
had brought forward for the temporary relief of the
destitute p g
oor. He had a stron opinion upon this
Blli. He gave the Government every credit for kind
and good intentions in introducing it. He believed
hat no men were actuated by better intentions, and
ee also believed that next to the unfortunate people,
Rho were now starving in Ireland they were much to be pitied•
The state of things in Ireland had got to that dreadful crisis,
that it was difficult to propose any measure sufficient as a
remedy. He believed that the measure proposed would not
he effectual. It would set into operation two systems, and would
Cause continual drains of money from this country, and that,
he could assure the Hon. Member for Bath, he was most
anxious to avoid. There were 500,000 people working on the
loads' in Ireland, and it was intended to employ and feed them.
rtheY gave each of them a quart of soup per day, that, at the
invest estimate, would cost Id. per head, or 10,600:. per day,
7(000/ per week, or three millions a year ; and yet during all
Nl.his time the labour-rate did not. cease. They were certain in
niling this test to promote the cultivation of the country.
man who merely got his quart of soup would undertake
agricultural labour, and he had been informed by medical
.tt that soup was not sufficient food for them,
and there was neither accommodation in the way of ovens, or
!Real to put into them. Even the workhouses were short of
bread. This measure for temporary relief would not produce
any permanent benefit, nor tend to the cultivation of the soil.
After a few words from Lord BERNARD, the House went
into Committee.
On clause l being proposed,
Mr. F. FRENCH said that in the first clause he ob-
served that there were many officers to be appointed by the
lie etumissioners subject to the approval of the Lord Lieutenant.
objected much to the principle, and he thought that the
teisPousibility ought to fall upon the Lord Lieutenant himself.
"e would propose, therefore, that the words " subject to the
16th vat of the Lord Lieutenant" should be struck out in the
clause.
After a few words from Sir G. GREY, which did not reach
the gallery,
Lord CLEMENTS said that he thought the responsibility
Ought to be thrown definitely on the Lord Lieutenant, as the
Mere necessity of his approval of the appointments would give
rise to many abuses. He did not see how those officers who
had other engagements to fulfil could properly administer the
Prssent law.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said the Hon. Member bad com-
plained of all the appointments requiring the sanction
of the Lard Lieutenant. Upon the fullest consideration,
of the question, the Government thought this course the-most
desirable. He also complains that several of the Commis-
sioners, having other appointments, could not purposely attend
to the duties imposed on them by the present measure. The
true state of the case was, that Sir John Burgoyne and Sir
Randolph Routh would have all their time devoted to the mea-
sure; while Sir John Macgregor, Colonel Jones, and Mr. Red-
iAn,gton, would be able to afford them important assistance.
Ir. Redington, in a communication which he (Mr. Labrou-
there had iceeived from him, said that he really believed that
dY the rrangetnent proposed, they should gain a great
;'al of time, and very much simplify the business. He said
ay
that the commissioners appointed would be quite sufficient
Or the duties, and that the board would be quite sufficient for
all present purposes.
_, Mr. B. OSBORNE would not oppose the clause, but com-
plained of the enormous duties that would be thrust on Sir
n 4 Burgoyne, and Sir Randolph Routh. He considered
that local boards ought to be appointed in the various districts
to relieve the duties of the central commissioners. If the Bill
wto work at all there must be local boards.
present CLEMENTS did not wish to press his amendment at
sent t
for , but thought the machinery was defective in its pre-
tty
The amendment was then withdrawn, and
a 'tit:QUER few words from the CHANCELLOR of the EX-
The clause was agreed to.
Clause 2 was agreed to without discussion.
‘-th the resolution that clause 3 stand part of the Bill,
r. S. O'BRIEN moved, as an amendment, that those
Parties. who had subscribed to a certain amount should be eh-
%"ale in their respective districts for seats in the local boards
t" Management.
Its F. FRENCH approved of the amendment.
rs OSBORNE hoped the suggestion would be at-
tended to.
thehe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER objected to
alteration proposed.
Member
CONNOLLY thought the amendment of the Hon. '
"se,.rober for Limerick would be a great improvement.
her' he
Earl of LINCOLN was in favour of limiting the num-
ha
sosf the Committee. Let them suppose it composed of per-
-0 individuals, and he was assured that with the peculiar
t.e4erament of the Irish the business could be proceeded with.
rte thought, therefore,. that the clause as it stood would meet
ell the difficulties of the ease.
Mr. SHAW thought that the clause should specify justices
either resident within the electoraldistricts, or having pro-
perty there. He was quite
prepared, however, to leave the
whole matter in the discretion of the Lord-Lieutenant and the
Board of Management.
Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL urged in tnhceinaitirig the clauserongest manner,
upon the Government the propriety of i
the clergymen in the respective districts. lie considered that
by so doing they would secure the confidence of the poorer
classes.
Mr. OSBORNE thought the whole mattersraight be left in
the discretion of the Lord-Lieutenant.
• Mr. LABOUCHERE could not see the propriety of grant-
ing such unlimited powers to the Lord-Lieutenant. They had
ehen the guardians of the respective unions, together with the
resident justices. With respect to the clergymen, he was sure
that the Government had no desire to cast the
:ttthtest reflection on the clergymen of Ireland, whether these
belonged to the Established or the Roman Catholic Church. He
(";,_asr. Labouchere) bore testimony to the great exertions of
t body during the existing visitation. He believed that
without their assistance it would have been impossible to have
proesxersed the peace of the country. But they bad no desire
ttiextend the powers in the clause, more especially as the Lord
he fuotnadtti could avail himself of the advice of the clergy when
a few to do so.
was
Afterf words from Sir D. NORREYS, the amendment
w negatived without a division.
th •Ss O'BRIEN then proposed another amendment in
Purim clause, that after the word " poor," in line 21, these
words be introd
ing in the electoucedi" Clergymen of all denominations resid-
ral districts,"
Mr. F. FRENCH trusted the Hon. Member would not press
his amendment.
Mr. AGLIONBY thoussht that Government should concede
the amendment to the wishes of the Irish Meni
had experience, and thereore the bers. They had
Committee. y ought to be placed on the
Sir G, GREY said that a great difficult would naturally
.a.rainsepoutof this proposition, for the ministerseof fifty denomina-
elionfa,swho would claim the right, and tli re would be endless
Then there would be another difficulty as to who
were I°ll.
dfeor a moment be
au clergy clergy. He trusted it would
4ataetdiotabat it was intended in theslightensott
a feuwpownotrhde, Catholic clergy. After gree to cast any
from Sir R. 171.1iGITSON and Lord J
usalsexas the latter of whom stated that it was his intention
support the amenchn ent,

Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said that a difficulty would also
arise from the positions of the Roman. Catholic clergy in Ire-
land in the several parishes. He was himself entitle Ito
officiate as a guardian, but he had not qualified, and he appre-
headed that the same indisposition would be felt by the
Roman Catholic clergy. He thought the better plan would
be to leave out the whole clause, and take the discussion on
bringing up the report.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment ... 32
Against it ••• ••• 123
Majority against the amendment --0 a
The amendment was consequently lost, and the clause was
agreed to.
Clauses 4 and 5 were then agreed to.
On the proposition of clause 6,
Mr. MORGAN J. O'CONNELL thought the clause was
clumsily worded. Its object was to connect the district com-
mittees with the central committee in Dublin.
Mr. BERNAL OSBORNE did rot mean to meet the Bill
with any hostility, but he thought the machinery might be
amended.
After the proposition of some verbal amendmen's by the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, the clause, with his alterations
was agreed to.
On clause 7 being proposed,
Lord CLEMENTS said that this clause was simply a varia-
tion of the 18th clause, and on these two clauses the whole
Bill hinged; and it appeared that a deficiency had occurred,
from the Government having neglected to ascertain which of
the pram ought to he relieved, and who not. They had
blinked the qu.stion in every stage, and then they proposed a
6!. rating. Why, did they know what a 6/. rating was, and
bow it would affect the people? Under the clause, as it ,new
stood, anybody might be relieved. He knew persons of in-
dependent property, who would be under the 6/. rating ; and
many industrious people, who were well off, would be free
from it. Why, under this clause, the Right Hon. Gentle-
man the Secretary for Ireland might himself go and receive the
relief.—(Laughter.) If they proceeded as the Bill stood, the
farmer would compete with the labourer for the work. Then it
was perfectly impassible for any one to work the accounts, as ha
firmly believed that out of the 21,520 persons to be employed
there was not one that would understand the accounts. There
were more difficulties in this Bill than the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman the Secretary for Ireland anticipated, and he thought
it was indispensably necessary that the clauses he had alluded
to should be amended. lie would suggest that as a test of the
destitution of the party requiring relief, the sum he had pre-
viously been rated it, should not exceed 4/.
Mr. LA BOUCH ERE entertained a strong opinion, that it
would be most inexpedient to attempt to lay down any distinct
definition as to who should be entitled to relief. Still he was
ready to admit, that under the Labour-rateAct, persons had
been employed who, so far from beingdestitute, had the means
in their own hands of procuring a very excellent subsistence.
He was not so sanguine as to suppose that this Bill would not
be liable to the same difficulties and objections ; but at all
events, under its provisions the imposition could not be so suc-
cessfully practised as it had been under the Labour-rate Act.
Under that Act ,in many instances, public virtue had given
way to self-interest ; but as the present Bill did
not provide for the distribution of money, but of food, there
would not be the same temptations. With regard to fixing the
test at 41., he thought it most unwise to pursue any such
course, because it was not impossible that persons who had
been higher rated might be reduced to the lowest depths
of destitution. He must, therefore, decline to adopt the sug-
gestion of the Noble Lord.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. F. FRENCH perfectly agreed with the last remark of
the Right Hon. the Secretary for Ireland. He knew rn.ny
persons who bad been rated at upwards of 6/. who were new
in a state of most pitiable destitution.
After a few words from Mr. BELLEW,
The clause as amended was agreed to.

On-clause 6, which provides for the issuing of warrants ,
di-
rected to the guardians, requiring them to pay the amount of
the estimate to the person named in the warrant, being put,
Colonel CONOLLY thought it rather an unreasonable
thing to compel them to collect such large sums of money,
when it was already well known that they were totally unable
to collect money to the distress of the districts.
Mr. B. OSBORNE thought that it was quite likely that
no rates would ever be collected in Ireland until the next har-
vest. It would be much better for the Government to allow
those unions who had overdrawn their account to pay interest
on such sums until' they were paid.
Mr. ROEBUCK thought it rather stran.Te that the Go-
vernment should be called upon to advance money upon inte-
rest tl persons whom the Hon. Member had stated were totally
unable to collect the rates or repay the loans. Irish Members
seemed quite prepared to take the money, but bad no idea of
repaying it. He believed that all the charities of Ireland had
been and would be misapplied, and would go into the pockets
of those who were trading upon the miseries of Ireland.
Lord CLEMENTS said that it was quite true that the
money had been misapplied; but it had been misapplied by
the Government, and that, too, upon their own confession.
The poor had been defrauded of their money, and the farmers
ar.d more respectable people had received that which the poor
should have had. He fully concurred in the epinion that the
rates would not be paid before the neat harvest, even if then;
for in his opinion there would be nothing like crops for the next
harvest. .

Mr. ROSS wished to deny the charge whichhad been made
against the landowners a few nights since by the lion. and
Learned Member for Bath, whom he characterised as coming to
the House and begging them to save them from ruin.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN thought it quite impossible for the rates
to be collected. There were hundreds of persons rented at more
than 4/. per annum who were not cultivating their land, and
who would be perfectly unable to pay the rates. He thought
the imposition of any relief test would prove a failure. It was
an important question, and it was right that the attention of the
Government should be fully called to the subject. It was not
without great consideration on this subject that her Majesty's
Government had decided upon the present measures. It was
true that the Hon. Gentleman had stated that there
were many parts of Ireland where the rate could be
collected, but there were many other parts of the country where
it could not be collected, and in the eases that had been called,
where it was not collected, he believed it was not owing to the
neglect of those whose duty it was to collect the rents. It
had been said they we. e imposing duties on the officers of the
ror- law different to those for which they were engaged ; but
it was the duty of these offic,rs to do all that was required of
them for tlac collection of the rents as essential to their func-
tions.

Mr. OSEORNE and Major M‘NAmatt A rose at the same
time, but the latter gave way.
Mr. OSBORNE—The statement made by the Hon. Mem-
ber for Northampton was strictly true. There were instances
in Clare of some of the small farmers having gone on the
public roads. Notwithstanding what had been said by
the Hon. Member for Batb, he did not think the rate could be
collected.

Major M'NAMARA made a few remarks which were in-
audible.

Mr. C. O'BRIEN was ready to prove that many of the
statements tbat had been made in the course of Chet
debate were quite erroneous. He could prove tha
every statement put. forward by Captain Wynne,
with respect to the county of Clare, was unfounded.
He had treated the inhabitants as savages ; but they were no
such thing. In that part of the county in which ne resided no
difficulty was experienced in collecting the rates, and they
were a sufficient security for the repayment of whatever money
the Government might advance. He hoped, however, the
Government would institute an inquiry into the charges which
Captain Wynne had made, and not to allow him to continue
to hold the office he did at a salary of 500'. a-year, with the
assistance of a secretary, which the county had to pay.
Mr. P. SCROPE hoped the House would not be led away
from the great question before them by personal recrimination.
The great object to be obtained was to save millions of the peo-
ple from perishing, and to prevent the money, proposed to be
advanced, from being improperly expended ; but if they at-
tempted to collect the rates from the occupying tenants, they
would create the same confusion which they did in 1b35, when
they attempted, by the aid of the military, to collect tithes
from the tenants. It was advisable to put the rates at once
upon the landlords, who were in a condition to give ample
security to the Government for whatever advances they might
make on the credit of their tenantry.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained
that what he meant was, that Clare was an exception to other
counties, as many of its inhabitants bad acted very turbulently,
for instance the Lord-Lieutenant had been compelled to stop,
some of the wcrlis, in consequence of the riotous conduct of
those employed on them. A murderous attack had recently
been made in the same county. An extract from Captain
Wynne's report, however, stated that the people had returned
to their former masters, he believed the report to be true.

Mr. C. O'BRIEN stated that Captain Wynne had brought
charges against him which had been investigated by the board,
and their utter groundlessness proved. Now he complained
that the report did not contain any allusion to the matter.

Mr. JOHN O'CONNELL said that there was a great
doubt whether the rates would be paid in Ireland. The land-
lords might be able to pay them, but the poor tenants wou!d
not. He thought that if they wished to keep the people alive
it must be by a large grant of money.
Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN said that it would be impossible
to collect the rates in many districts, and more especially
where the Noble Lord ( Clements) lived. In many places they
were not able to pay rents much less taxes, and therefore he
thought it would be impossible to collect the rates from the
poor of Ireland.

Mr. DISRAELI supported the suggestion of the Hon.
Memter for Clare with regard to a committee, and read a
letter from Captain Wynne to the board reflecting on the
conduct .of Mr. O'Brien, and other magistrates of the county
of Clare, as well as the state of society in that county generally.
Mr. CORNELIUS O'BRIEN hoped the Hon. Member
for Shrewsbury would not take the words of Capt. Wynne as
gospel. That letter had been written by him for the purpose
of raising himself in the estimation of the Board. It ill
became Capt. Wynne to talk in a derogatory manner of him
(Mr. O'Brien) or his colleague, for there was a transaction in
which he was concerned in the county Limerick. which did not
contribute much to his reputation. He took into his barrack
room the Rife of --, (cries 'of " Oh, oh,)—and after-
wards made an allegation of seduction—(cries of " Oh, oh,")--
If the House would grant him a committee of inquiry he would
prove the truth of all he stated.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that he considered it due after
what had been said, to the character of a public servant, to
bear his testimony to his merits. He knew it to be
the opinion of every member of the Irish Govern-
ment, that although they had many officers who dis-
charged onerous duties with ability, fidelity, and zeal, yet there
was no person whose conduct excelled that of Captain Wynne.
He acted a most gallant and manly part under circumstances of
the most adverse description. He (Mr. Labouchere) never
saw Captain Wynne in his life, and'he therefore could have no
personal interest in rising to defend him from an unjust Jind
unfair attack—his only motive was a sense of justice. He did
not wish to enter into any question in reference to disputes
which might have existed between Captain Wynne
and the Honourable
Gentleman ; he only regretted that
they should have been brought' before the House. e
Ni
only felt it due to Captain He
to say that he was entitled
to the gratitudeoefte of the
heeountry, for it was mainly to his exer-
tions that the peace
country was preserved—(hear,
hear.) He was ready to agreem with Hon. Gentlemen that
there were great abuses onof the public works, but it
mean?:
was most unjust to say that
exceptionst were the rule.
In many parts of the country h
very well conducted, and every beody did their duty,
public works were
and none but the really destitute were
them. By the exertions
of the Boardoal
cola
biWe
good
empleyed upon
and the co-operation of the gentry, groat andincalculable had been effected. He hoped that the discussion would end
there, and that the House would be allowed to proceed with
the Bill.
Mr. C. O'BRIEN said that the report, which acquitted him
and his colleague, had been suppressed, and not a word had
been said about it.
Mr. SHAW said, that although a few abuses might have
existed, it was by no means the general rule. When it was
most erroneously stated that farmers were receiving the funds des..
tined for the destitute. A landlord, living in the county Leitrim,
had informed him, within the last two days, that out of 700/. rent
his agent, a most intelligent gentleman, had reported to him
that all he could collect was 51. He had visited all the
tenants, and he did not believe, so destitute were they of every-
thing, that they could pay one farthing more—was it fair,
then, to call those unfortunate people farmers, farmers re-
ceiving relief —( Hear, hear.) He did believe that the money
would be repaid—at least the greater portion of it --and he
could assure the Government of this, at least, that they would
meet the most =WWI and cordial support from every Ind.

ord in Ireland who were only desirous to assist by every means
in their power.—( Hear, hear.)
Lord BERNARD said that he spoke the sentiments of the
great majority of the people in Ireland, when he stated that all
they wanted was a loan of money, which they would honestly
repay.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD said, that in the part of Ireland with
which he was connected, the landlords had punctually paid
their rates. When it was said that the inability to pay the
rates arose from the landlords, it was casting an unjust reffec-
tiun upon them. He trusted, that if the rates could not other-
wise he collected, they should be levied from the lands, for the
English public ought not to be disappointed, nor the Irish peo-
ple left to starvation.
The clause, with verbal amendments, was agreed to.
Clauses 9,10, and 11, were then agreed to.
t On clause 12 being proposed,
Mr. S. O'BRIEN said that the consideration of this clause
had better be postponed until Monday, as it did not determine
fairly whether the rates for out-door relief should be levied
upon the electoral districts or the unions generally.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the
question had better remain open until the bringing up of the
report on Monday.
Lord LINCOLN wished the law as laid down in this Bill to
remain in accordance with the present law in Ireland. It was
true that an application had been made to the Government to
allow the rates to be levied upon the electoral districts, and it was
necessary that the law as it stood should remain unaltered as
the greatest confusion would arise from any attempt at
change. It would be better to postpone the matter until the
other measure, with reference to the poor in Ireland, then
before the House, should be decided.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that the
Noble Lord had said quite correctly, that all expenses should
be charged to the electoral division, but the law as it at pre-
sent existed, enacted that a twelve months residence out of
eighteen in the electoral district should let the expense fall on
that district, but a less period of residence would cause the ex-
pense to fall upon the general union. The question must be
referred to the Commissioners for the execution of the law.

After some further c,nversstion,
Mr. ROEBUCK begged leave to move that Mr. Greene
should leave the chair and report progress.
After a few remarks from Mr. DISRAELI,
This course was agreed to, and the chairman reported
progress.
The House then resumed.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned until Four o'clock on Monday.