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London, England, 1847-03-09 00:00:00

Desert Crofton (for 3d, 4th, and sth
Clonmel Wallscourt resolution)
Clare Clarnia Hamilton, Geo. A.
Leitrim Castlemaine Hamilton, J. H.
Luean Downes Hamilton, Claude
Castlestewart Templemore Lefroy, Anthony
D,,noui.Oimore Carew Maxwell, J. P.
CAI edon De Freyne Martin, Thomas
Limerick Stuart de Decies Newry and Morne
Clancarty Blayney O'Brien, Cornelius
Rosse Monteagle of O'Brien, John
Charleville Brandon O'Ferrall, R. M.
Bantry
---- Shirley, E. P.
Glengall Adare Shirley, E. J.
Stradbroke Bernard Shaw, Frederick
Dunraven Clements Stuart, Villiers
Ranfurley Acton, W. Taylor, J. E.
Gormanstown Archbold, R. Tuite, H. M.
Massarene Archdall, Mervyn Verner, W.
Middleton Brooke, A. B. White, Henry
Southwell Butler, P. S.
Lord Monteagle handed Lord John Russell a copy of the
resolutions, and in doing so, said that since the meeting of
the Irish party at which they had been adopted, the Noble
Lord announced his intention of amending the Poor Relief
Bill in some respects conformable to the suggestions throin
out in both Houses of Parliament. Those amendments had
been printed, and one of them went the length of alterigg
the liability as to payment of the rate, and proposing to
place the charge, up to a certain amount on the electoral
district; but if the charge should exceed 2s. 6d., in the
pound, on the year, that then. and in that case, and when it
exceeded the amount, it should be charged to the union at
large. The amendment, so far as it went, was an improve-
ment on the original determination of Government, but he
could not, in the words of their first resolution, regard any
abandonment, at the present period, of the system of electoral
districts otherwise than as fraught with clang!: and eaten-
lated to lessen the motives for a liberal and enbghtenad ma..
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Public opinion in Ireland *ery much divided on the
subject; some persons were desirous that the entire expense
incurred under the Relief Act, should be thrown on the elec-
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toral divisions; others thought a uniform system of rating
over the entire union was the most equitable course; and a
third section advocated the plan which the Government
after a great deal of consideration had determined upon pro-
posing.

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Mr. Shaw, Mr. Grogan, and Mr. G. A. Hamilton supported
the views put forward by Lord Monteagle, and maintained
that an out-door system of relief to the able-bodied was alto-
gether inapplicable to the requirements of Ireland. Their
resistance was principally limited to the principle of out-
do, r relief, which they thought would be ruinous to their
property and most demoralising to the people of lieland.
The resident landlords had subscribed, and would continue
to subscribe to benevolent objects to the utmost of their
ability. They had not the slightest objection to any ex-
tension of the workhouse system that might be considered
necessary. They would cheerfully support, and they had
already done so, any proposition for additional workhouses
to provide for the reception and maintenance of the poor,
upon the distinct understanding that the workhouse test
was strictly adhered to ; but seeing the evils which had
arisen from out-door relief in England, and knowing hoar
they would be magnified in Ireland under a similar system,
and how pernicious would be the consequences to the great
bulk of the population, they came forward to remonstrate
1 with the Government, and to advise against the pursuing a
course of legislation which, as regarded this particular mode
1 of relief, was certain to produce results long to be regretted,
and difficult, if not impossible, to be remedied.
Lord Jorrx RUSSELL said he had heard the resolutions
read by the Noble Lord, and the various arguments which
the deputationists put forward in support of their views.
He would take an early opportunity of submitting for the
consideration of Government the statement to which the
numerous array of signatures was appended, and there
was no doubt that it would receive all that attentive de-
liberation to which any document coming from so influential
a body of Irish noblemen and gentlemen, on a subject deeply
connected with the best'interests of their country, was emi-
nently entitled. He did not mean to express any opinion
whatever on the resolutions of the Irish Peers and Members
of Parliament, but he repeated, what he had before said else-
where, that the opinion daily gained ground, not only in this
country, but in Ireland, that the distress to which the people
of that country may be reduced, even in ordinary years,
ought to give them a claim upon the property of Ireland—
such a claim as the people of England had upon the property
of England in times of great distress, and that there should
be legal provision made for relieving the destitute in the
workhouse when the workhouse was not full, and out of the
workhouse when it was full. Some of the suggestions
which the deputationists had made, suggestions of detail
in the practical working of the measure, they would find
had bees in some degree anticipated in the amendments
which he announced the ether evening in the House of Com-
mons when moving the committal of the Bill pro forma.
If they were only legislating to meet a temporary evil—if
there were no serious apprehensions of a future recurrence
of the calamity they had all to deplore—he could under-
stand the solitude of those who desired to save the country
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how was starvation to be provided against, and how were
the inhabitants of the sister country to bt3 placed in
such a position as to preclude the necessity of
appealing to England. for aid in a season a distress.
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Noble Lord then briefly adverted to the safeguard
poor-law
round the Bill for the permanent extension of title poor
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The deputation having expressed their acknowledgments
to Lord John Russell for his courtesy, and thanked him for
the attention with which he had heard their statements,
drew.

PETITIONS ON PRIVATE BILLS
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
(Room 22, before Mr. Examiner SMITH.)
OPPOSED.
MANCHESTER, LONDONW Y , AND BIRMINGHAM
RAILA.
This case was opened, and the further hearing was adjourned
till to- mivrow (to-dad ).
(Room 22, before Mr. Examiner MAY.)
PETITION ADJOURNED.
North British Railway (No. 2).—Not complied with.
OPPOSED.
Meath and Cavan Junction Railway.—Withdrawn.
Waterford, Wexford, Wicklow, and Dublin Railway (Re-
peal of Act ).—Not complied with.
Plymouth and Dartmoor Branch Railway.—Withdrawn.
Coventry, Banbury, and Oxford Junction Railway.—Not
complied with.
Adjourned.

PARLIAMENTARY BUSINESS.
(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Comsnov.s.)
NOTICES GIVEN AT THE PRIVATE BILL-OFFICE.

SATURDAY, *ARCH 6.
The following Railway Bills are appointed to be read a
second time:—

WEDNESDAY, MARCH 10.
Edinburgh and Glasgow.
Wexford and Valencia (Killarney to Valencia).
FRIDAY, MARCH 12.
Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton (No. I—Exten•
lion and Amendment).

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