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pl net;rng!t complete bc.tween
our two countries.
Should any embarrassments arise in conse-
quence of the declaration on the subject of the pro-
P°sed.re-voCation of the Orders in Council, above
all u` resting at present upon a mere st4e-
hien,- •
In the newspapers, it will no doubt occur to
1'641r recollection; that on the enactment of those
Ckders a measure was taken by Congress for the
°1111)0se of meeting them-, when . they were as yet
k 11.°Irn but throguli the public prints.
I hays the honour to be, &b. &C. . •
(Signed) A. 3. FOSTER.

AIR. FOSTER TO MR: MONROE

Washington, June 4, 1812.
I must rely upon your candour to feel for the
4ou,
• arrassment into which your Note of this day
has thrown me. Willing to Comply with the re-
west containen in it, I yet cannot but be sensible
that. • =
in making any portion of a dispatch from his
.?1 • •
IdiestY's Secretary of State to me, the subject
ecHrespondence between us, I should not be
• justified to my own Government. I believe there
48 no example of a correspondence of such a na-
ture, and I should be very loth to establish the
Precedent. •
When I had the lionour to make the communi-
cati„
or LOrteASTLEREAGH'S dispatch to you in
to,
"sequence of its being left to my own discre-
tiot' to do so, I did it because I' had reason to
think'th from the number of my letterS which
ere
,remained unanswered at your office, such a
coltnnunication, if made throUgh a note, might
.'''e shared the fate of the rest. You will recol-
eet that it was at your own request that tac-
,`ded to the dispatch being communicated to the
tiresident ; and that it was also at your instance,
:44 being the only regular way in Which the sub-
It
et could come before the American Government,
tl•
t'lt I determined to write to you a note found:,
tljon
11 it. You were aware, at the latter end of
-L week, that such was my determination, which
repeated to you through Mr,\G-axi-rAm, who called
tbr,
'AI me the 30th ult. to ask me when I contem-
Ned sending it to your office.
.'The notice must
lave reached you, and been read, before any
• message could have been sent from the Executive
to Congress. -
I cannot, Sir• consider my Note asliable to the
eba,
ige of ambiguity, Which you now impute to it.
.kbe abandonment of our most important maritime
11g-hits is‘ more extensively than ever connected by.
France with a demand of the repeal of Our Orders in
11C011n61, and while you are entirely silent as to
°Ny far America concurs with her on this point
of L interest
vital to Great Britain, without even a
Prospect of a reply froM you ,to our just corn-
as expressed in thy note on the coin-
qdence of the attitude taken by America with
the hostile system of France, I cannot but be
it%
vare of the difficUlties to which I should expose
11'3•self in entering into an explanation on any insu-
lated pass-age init. I might, perhaps, by continued
=ll'nee on your part, never afterwards have an
°Pportunity of making further explanation ; and
you are well aware how frequently points taken
Unconnected with what, precedes or follows them,
are •
lrable to misconstruction. But, Sir, as a rea-
rov,
paramount to every other formy tint corn-
kitting Myself
.to an explanation. on, any single
to
Pic without the discussions between.us were to
Ue continued, is the publication, of the highly fin-
Portant declaration of his Royal Highness the
tip
, -•"•eTt RSGENT, to-which I had the honour to al-
kide in my note to you of this morning. You will
tb
find stated, in as explicit and authentic a
Xlanner as language can convey, the grounds upon
tv •
blch his Majesty's Orders in Council will be re-
-ed. I cannot, it is true, as yet, refer you offi-
eially to this document, but .1 may now be in the
"Pectation of receiving it; in a formal state,
''thin a few days, and together with it, every ex-
lanation possible which you may require. • -

(Signed) A. J. FOSTER .
:on, Jas: Monroe, &c.

(COPY .j
, MR. MONROE TO MR. 'FOSTER.
" SIR, " Department of State, June 6, 1812.
`` I have had the honour to receive your letter
the 4th inst. The receipt of that of May 300,
as already been acknowledged.
ks these,letters relate to the same subject, the
orders in Council, I shall take both into my view
41 this reply.
am not disposed to make any unnecessary dif-
ileulty ou account of the informality of the docu-
tlieat alluded to in the last letter. If the decla-
ration of the PRINCE itEGENT was such, as
Ilt° afford the satisfaction required, it would
e received in any form entitled to credit, with
great interest, as a token of jttst and friendly sen-
tients in your Government towards the United
l'tateS. But nothing is seen in that act of the
laracter 'Which you- impute to it. Without re-
'"ing a single objecion • to the principle on
‘lich the Orders in Council were issued, and

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Bare been iitaiittained, it affords a ebmpletejtisti=
ficAtion of the demand heretolore made on your
Oovernriicnt for their repeal.
The British Goiernment has complained that

the United StateS denianded the repeal of the Or-
ders in Council\ in a conditional repeal of the
French Deeeces, although the French, condition
required nothing of Great Mitain which she ought
not to have consented to, arid was, moreover, a
condition subsequent, and not precedent, and it
now. proposes to repeal the Orders in Council con.;
ditionally also, with this difference,,that the con-
ditiOn on which their repeal is to be made is a
condition precedent, and not subsequent, and is
likewise one which Great Britain has no right to
claim.

This condition requires, that the French Decree
shall be absolutely, and unconditionally repealed,,
that is, that they shall be repealed according to
explanations given, not only as they related to
the United States, but as to all other neutral na-
tions, and all who prohibited.* commerce in Bri-
tish manufactures with the enemies of Great Bri-

tain .

Solar as the French Decrees- violated the neu-
tral commerce of the' United States, we had a
right to demand the repeal, and obtained it. The
repeal was declared by an authentic and formal
act of the French Government, and communicated
to this Government by the. Minister Plenipoten-,
tiary of the United States at Paris, and to the
British Government by their Minister Plenipoten-
tiary at London ; and has, moreover been officially
published within the United States. The authen-
ticity of the repeal was placed beyond all contro-
versy, and the official manner in which it was
communicated to your Government ought to have
been satisfactory to it. A general repeal of the
French Decrees in favour of all neutral nations,
and of such parts of them as prohibited a trade
with France, and the countries under her con-
troul, in British mantifactures, the United States
have not demanded, because they had no right to
demand it.

It is further made a condition of the proposed
repeal of the declaration of the PRINCE REGENT,'
that it shall take effect at a future uncertain
day, and that the . Orders in. Council should be. -
again in force, :on a contingency of .whicli-the
British Government is to be the sole judge. If
this were a ground on which the United States.
could call upon France to .repeal her Decrees in
case they were still in force as to them, surely
thelkench,epeal, to take effect on a future speci-
fied day, and,whose revival was not provided for
on any contingenCy whatever, was a ground on
which their call on Great Britain to repeal her
Orders in Council, in respect to the United States,
ought not to'have been resisted.
In reply to your insinuation, that the demand
made on- your Government to repeal its Edicts,
which Violate' the neural rights of the United
States, is made in concert with France, to obtain
from Great Britain an abandonment of her magi
time rights ; it 'is sufficient to refer you to docu-
ments which have been long before the public,
and particularly to the letter of Mr. PINCKNEY to_
the Marquis WELLESLEY, of January 14, 1811;
protesting' in the most solemn manner against
looking to any other source for the opinions and
principles of the United States, than to the United'
States themselves. Let ine repeat, with respect
to the Orders in Connell, that all we demand is,
that they cease to violate the neutral rights of the
United StntesNwhichthey have violated, and still
violate on the high sea, should they be continued
as to France in any form. which may not violate.'
those rights, or as to any other neutral nation to
which they may be applicable, it would -be for,
such nation, and not for the United States, to
contend against them. •
The \report of
.the Fvench Minister, on which
this declaration of your Government is . founded,
affords no proof that the-French Government in
tended by it-to violate its engagement to the United
States, as to the repeal of the Decrees. It evi-
dently refers -to 'the
.continental system, by the
means relied on to enforce it. The armies
of France can be of no avail either in the sup-
port, or violation of 2naritimeirights7 This con-
struction is 'the ruore-jutifiable from the con-
sideration that it is supported by the correspond-
ing acts of the French Government, pa/ntinued.
from the time of the repeal, and by communica-
tions to the • Minister Plenipotentiary of the
United States at Paris to the date of tharreport.
I beg you, Six, to be assured, that it is painful
to me to have imposed the least embarrassment on
you, by the correspondence on the difference be-
tween the tenor of Lord CASTLEREAGH'S letter to
you, and yours /founded on it to me. I continue
to persuade myself, however, that you will become
sensible, 'that with a knowledge of , the extent
given by your Government to the conditions -on•
which alone its Orders will be repealed, and that
this extent was always eonteMplated by
,y6ur Go-

vern,Aent, it yr s inipolaibk for tile Presideni to
be indttentive. td the fact, or to withhold it froth

the hgislative branch of th Govern:re•at4 I have

to add, that bad
,it proper for,bim so to
.hasie clinic, the kite hour at which yoUr note was
received, not till the noon of the Ist instant, was,
not in tine to be considered In relation to-the.
Me3skr,e'sent tO',Congress on that day.
With treat respect an? consideration,
I have the honour to be, Ere.
(Signed) ..TANins

Mr. FOSTER in a note of the Ist inst. alludes to
the conduct of America, of enticing and harbour-
ing deserters from the liritish Navy ; and en-
closes several Letters from Admiral Sir- R. Can-
T/S, and Captain ITALL, of the Royalcirillialr,-;.-th
the names and description of 28 British seamen
on board the Uitited State.7,.the ConstiLtion, and
Wasp sloop and of others who had deserted, after
being forcibly detained on board American vessels of
war. The American. Secretary, in a reply,
•
evades lin), answer on the first ground . of
complaint, but says, the latter will be " in-
quired into," and seems to think that the
twenty-eight sea Men alluded to may have be-
come naturalized Americans. -- In that case
they must be protected as such." The
laws, -he says, will compel deserters ,from the
merchant service,to return to their ships, but
others may be considered as malefactors, not to be
surrendered withbut a special stipulation.

The people in general, we believe, will hear

with no small degree of pleasure that a Treaty of
Peace has taken-place berween us and our old
ally Russia, and that Sweden also has entered
into a similar engagement to support the common
cause of Europe, as well as of the North, agains
the' ferocious Oppressor of so many Nations, and
Disturber of the World. But though not only the

people of this 'country, but of all others, not ex-
cepting France, insist rejoice that obstacles are
'likely, to arise to check the career-of the Tyrant,
The 'Morning Chronicle, which sees more clearly,

and penetrates more deeply into all political af-

fairs and their consequences, than mankind in
general; expresses great discontent at this pacifi--
cation between us and Powers witb whom we
were at variance. It is not enough that enmity
has terminated ; such h event affords no pleasure
to the Chronicle—it must know the precise nature
of the treat!, and all its bearings and relations,
and it signifies that " it would have been a de-
sirable thing to learn the terms pf those treaties,
and to ascertainawbether they -are mere treaties of
amity, or whether they do not extend to treaties of
friendship, ofensive and defensive." If a previous
communication of the exact quality of these
Treaties, on the part of Ministers, to the writer in
the Chronicle, would have reconciled him tp
them, perhaps we should, regret that Ministers
did not make the disclosure, in order to gain the
support of so profound a politician; but as we
fear be would still have discovered something to
to :condemn either in the Treaties themselves, or
in the manner in which they were accomplished)
we are not inclined to censure Government for
carrying on the begoei•itian with the usual seczecy,
and for not promulgating the whole of the Trea-
ties till there is a fit time and occasion. But
it is soinewhat surprising .that Chronicle shoald
complain of ignorance in this matter, for after
having: expreSSed - a- desire of information on\ the
subject-, it boldly. affirms, that Ave shall find
that either these treaties ecititain separate articles,
binding " the friends". to certain rediprocal acts
of " assistance and exertion ;" or that those trea-
ties are to be followed, by others, " subsidiary and
ofensive."—Novt we are sure that we need not.
point out-to our Readers the extreme s,;gacity of

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The Chronicle in discovering that a Treaty of Peace
may possibly lead the resFective p6s-en to reci-
procal acts of assistance and exertion.

Captain RAWsoN, of the 35th Regiment, is ap-
pointed Aid-de-Camp to gajor-General WILDER,
ordered to-he stationed in Scotlknd...
The Honourable Major-General ATEA.Dz (re-
moved from the Staff in the Island of Madera)
is under orders to proceed to the Cape of Good,
.Hope.
A Circular General Order has been trans-
mitted from the War-Office, to all Commanding
Of regimentq, enjoining them to see their:
xespective Pay Lists complete and correct before
.they, affix their signature to those documents,
which is not to be considered a matter of mere
form.

A letter from an Officer, dated
.camp before st.
Augustine, May 20, says; " Yesterday was a hot
day for us. The Spaniards made an attack upon
our corps with 24-pounders, from a vessel which•
they brought up the north river on our left flank.'
We lost nothing but a little ground, being oblig-
ed to retire, having no artillery, and they being
Out of the reach of our small arms. We are in
expectation every moment of another attack,, with
a force not exceeding one-fifth the number of the
enemy." - .
Five armed S.....nish schooners and some tran-
sports had arrived at St. Augustine with 500 or
(300 men.