The Sun.
London, England, 1840-01-15 00:00:00

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LONDON :
WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 15, 1640.

For several months the Tory Journals have been
foaming and raving at Ministers for countenancing
and encouraging the Catholics. In the last few
months they have overflowed with gall and
bitterness, because Messrs. WYsE, O'FE RR ALL,
and SHIEL, three Catholics, were appointed to
offices in the Government. The appointment was
denounced as most unjustifiable, and the Ministers
have been, over and over again, threatened with
impeachment for violating the Constitution. For
admitting Catholics to office, the hatred and ven-
geance of the Protestants have been invoked. But
the Tories know very well that the principle on
whiCh they have been blowing up strife and hatred
cannot be acted on. It has become an impossibility.
Accordingly, the Times of yesterday—the great
leader in this crusade against the Ministers on ac-
count of religion—having found out that the time
ig come to bolt away from the dupes it has hallooed
on to the briiik of a precipice, published the follow-
ing declaration against its own and its party's
principles :

*hat ;442 we shonld be glad to know, have the framers
of this address 1.4.? gsfrihe. to any set of gentlemen in the
Queen's dominions a dosoo in " draw openly or covertly
frprp poisoned sources," or to intlict polities' exclusions for
r,tig,twlopipions?" The addressers are in a spheea of life
where tt iv 44941(!!9911.b1e in them not to.know that the men
to whom afoile this 1,-,04)407 can look for a relief from the
rpo7adininistration of the pNsi:nt Cabinet are persons alto-
gethef igr.9.4ble of adopting any.prinaipie oh rmigious ex-
clusion as a b 4-4 9r Prion of their government.

The Post took th 4 PC
They ought to know very well, and we pymot help think-
4k,Att they do know very well, that no party in the tat
would if atiteMpt to infl►ct political exclusion on the Roman
Catholics of Ireia►s Jag gcgonnt of their religion.
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These observations were made t propos of the
j.,EINSTER'S and Lord CtimiLguoilfts
address, which, tai; ether with the great meeting of
Dublin, hare convinced a..; Tories that their
henevotut ?pd Christian scheme of tcfritying
Catholics, and exciting fide hatred of the Protest-
has failed. They now see that their avowed
brutality '414141.tP5 as a sentence of exclusion from
office ; and they hasten to ggt their own words, to
been m the patrons of toleration, to declare against
exclusiveness, 4-,jA to
profess Christian love for their
Catholic brethren, The ~,-;;4i4rfjmc and meanness
of the 'Pries in slinking away from their own
doctrines is more offeosive than their bullying. A
,
more uncertain, disgraceful,
disre table party—
while tivy always canting about religion—never
disgraced the disgraceful history of faction. They
pu
have excited religious of obtain-
ing palitieal power. l'riahtercydli;°arvetht:l:eankethe name of
religion in vain, pal have proved that there is
nothing holy or sacred which they go 1)0 ready to
tr.implp on in order to step into office.

Before we have found t'ong p..nd opportunity to
14V Pig contents of Mr. JONES LOYD'ii parn,
plilet on tee Bank before our readers, he has
published another oc, tbp me subject, ad-
;tressed to Mr. J. B. SMITH, EN., the Nisi?
dent of tj',p Manchester Chamber of Commerce
The object of prOnction is to point out to
p Chamber that other things, such as two
ge4sisP b 34 h4TYests, the derangement of trade in
to do with tho.4Fer 4po,cplqtipii,ll4ye had something
America, and
embarrassments 4P4 losses of PHr
traders; and to get the Chamber of Cnninierge to exap
mine the question with increased care. He says—

" 1. Fluctuations in the amount of the currency are
seldom, if ever, the original and exciting► cause of fluc-
tuations in prices and in the state ut feade. The buoyant
and sanguine character of the hpman mind ; !piraicula:
Lions as to the relative extent of supply and demand flue:

tuations of the seasons ; changes of taste and fashion ; le-
gislative enactments and political events ; excitement or
depression in the condition of other countries connected
vrith us by active trading intercourse ; an endless variety
of casualties acting upon those sympathies by which masses
of men are often urged into a state of excitement or de-
pression ; these, all or some of them, are generally the
original exciting causes of those variations in the state of
tr,.de to which the Report refers. The management of the
currency is a subordinate agent ; it seldom originates, but
it may, and often does, exert a considerable influence in
restraining or augmenting the violence of commercial
oscillations."

We think Mr. LOYD under rates the influence of
an extension of the currency. When money is
abundant, which may be caused by a slight in-
crease of the issue of credit notes beyond what
commerce justly demands, it may be borrov:ed on
comparatively easy terms. It is then borrowed, ar-
ticles are purchased on speculation, pricesimme-
diately look up, more money is required, more spe-
culations are entered into, and thus a very wide-
spread fluctuation and convulsion may be caused by
the Bank issuing its credit notes over freely.
Against fluctuations of the seasons human prudence
can provide, for the causes are visible and measur-
able, but against the increase or decrease of the
customary measure or value, performed in secret by
an irresponsible body, no precaution can be taken.
It is like the currents of the ocean, which carry
away the floating bark without the pilot being aware
that she has moved.

If the management of the currency were so
subordinate an agent as Mr. LOYD would represent
it to be, why does he, who in this pamphlet de-
fends, as in the former he attacks, the Bank of
England, lay so much stress on the extension of
the country issues from the beginning of 1835 !ill
June, 1836 ? Even for these the Bank of Eng-
land is responsible. If it had not procured its
notes to be made a legal tender, these country
banks must have supplied themselves with gold.
They contented themselves, however, with Bank of
England notes, which, report says, the Bank con-
tracted to give them at a low rate of interest. The
Bank, therefore, as the report of the Chamber of
Commerce stated, by throwing a large sum of
money into the market in 1835, at a low rate of
interest, enabling bill-brokers to discount American
acceptances and bills re-issued by Joint-stock
Banks, was the main cause of the increased issues
of the country bankers, and the overtrading in that
and the following year.
Mr. LOYD makes some parade of the philoso-
phical and scientific knowledge now afloat on the
subject of the currency ; he will not, we trust, be
offended if we say that the error we pointed out
some days ago, of confounding credit notes with
money, makes many of his remarks in this pamphlet
unsound. His perpetual wish is to make the credit
notes of the community the mere representatives
of so much bullion, and they are neither to exceed
nor fall short of the coined nvaney that would be
in circulation but for them :
" If the bullion is diminishing, then the Bank ought to
have no option ; it is bound to make a corresponding re
duction of its issues, otherwise the paper circulation could
not act as a metallic circulation would have acted. When-
ever the issues of the Bank fail to correspond to the fluc-
tuations of the bullion, spare not your censure—it is de-
served; but when the Bank act,.. in obedience to that
guide, it is strictly discharging its duty, and the mercantile
pressure which ensues, cannot be justly charged to mi.scor-
duct in that quarter."
The fallacy of Mr. LOYD'S principle may be
made apparent in a few words. Money is em-
ployed to exchange commodities alrosly in existence;
credit notes,or promises to pay, are issued on commo-
dities hereafter to come into existence. There is
every year, a few months or weeks before har-
vest, a comparatively small quantity of corn to
be sold, while a large quantity is growing, which
will in a few weeks be brought to market. Why
should the credit notes representing this latter
quantity be limited by the money required to
purchase the lesser quantity ? It may be
easily conceived, when great speculations have
been undertaken, and great fleets are ex-
pected from abroad, which have perhaps
been hindered from arriving by an east wind, that
there may exist even a still greater discrepancy
between the commodities actually to be exchanged,
and those on their way to the market, than exists a
few weeks before and after harvest. Now the ra-
tional rule is, in order to prevent a great fluctuation
by the sudden increase of commodities without any
increase of money, that the credit notes should, to
a certain extent, be in circulation previous to the
arrival of the commodities, or that the currency
should be increased by them beyond what would be
its amount, if it consisted wholly of the precious
metals. In practice this actually takes place,
for a great many agriculturists, and almost all mer-
chants and manufacturers, draw bills, and put them
into circulation, or exchange them for the more
convenient credit of the batils against the harvests,
or the teas and cottons that are coming to market.
Mr. LOYD would prevent that, however, by
making these credit notes follow the exact
fluctuations of money or bullion. He would regu-
late, which seems to us palpably absurd, coin and
credit, which are two different things, by the same
rules.

We can show by another consideration that the
c•arency philosophy, embraced by Mr. LOYD and
the Bank Directors is incorrect. One great use of
credit notes is to facilitate production. They dis-
pense with money, and to enable commodities to
bc produced without being subject to the cost of
keeping coin in circulation. But sparing expense
auk" fuaitating production invariably increases the
quantities of commodities. An increase of com-
modities requires an increase in the circulating me-
dium, which, according to Mr. LOYD'S rule, is not
to be made, because the notes must be kept at
Oic. same amount a the bullion would have been.
The rule, then, of which ha and the Bank Di-
rectors are SO proud,
,if it could be acted on,
would deprive credit notes of their most valuable
property, 4)4t or first facilitating, and then ex-
panding with an increased production.
Mr. Loyp exonerates the Bank to some extent,
and throws the blame on the Government ; but the
Chamber of Commerce is right, for the Bank has
sufrcred itself to be seduced by the Govern-
ment, and must bear the blame which usually
falls on those who depart from the paths of virtue.
The Bank holds itself forth to commerce as its
help and its agent ; in that character, and no other,
it qbtpins credit and confidence ; such was its ori-
gin, and such it was in its best days t and if, as
Mr. LOYD says, the connection of the Bank with
Commerce it the leading cause of its mismanage-
ment of the currency, it must be condemned for
now representing itself as a commercial body when
it has heeorw the mere creature of the Government,
and the pander to a vicious system.

Mr. MONTAGUE GORE has just published a
patopilk " Thoughts on the Corn-laws"

under the impression that his eloquence will in-
duce the Legislature to resist the just demands of a
starving people. How vain the hope, let the
Manchester meeting prove. The manner in which
he sets about his task is as curious, h s hor is
vain. He makes long quotations from the Agri-
cultural Reports of 1833, to prove that then the
fanners. and inhabitants of towns cormee'ted with
agriculture, Were suffering great distress. What
a pity he forgot to add that the blessed
Corn-laws then existed, and we can tell
him were the cause of that very distress. A
wore unreasonable production to obtain a more
stupid and iniquitous end has not frequently fallen

under our notice ; Mr. GORE should study the
subject before he writes about it, and he ought to
study the feelings of the people before he recom-
mends the Legislature obstinately to persist in its
injustice, and bring ruin on the empire.
As a specimen of this gentleman's folly, he com-
plains that the land will fall out of cultivation,
and at the same time he quotes a passage from
the works of the late Lord SHEFFIELD, to prove
that our people could not be fed by foreign cou
tries, or by wheat imported from them. Does this
sapient gentleman suppose then that the people
would lie down and die ? Oh no He knows,
as well as we do, that the asseition that the land
would go out of cultivation in consequence of abo-
lishing the Corn-laws is a wretched piece of disho7
nest humbug, which the landlords have put forth
to terrify the people from demanding and obtaining
justice to themselves.

This humbug leads U 3 to notice another scare-
crow which the landlords have stuck up, thinking
it would frighten men whose nerves arc strung by

hunger. The home trade, it is said, would be d -
suoyed by the repeal of the Corn-laws. So it
would, if the farmers were to leave off culti-
vating the soil. But they will not do that ;
the public may trust them. Now all trade
ultimately resolves itself into barter, and unless the

produce of the land, which is to be exchanged
for manufactures, were diminished, the borne market
for manufactured. goods would not be narrowed a
single sovereign.- On the contrary, the farmers
would produce more, the manufacturers would get
more in exchange, and the home market would be
extended by the same abolition which gave exten
sion to the foreign market. We recommend Mr.
GORE to rub his eyes till he gets wide awake, and
then to resume his studies.

The Rev. Dr. BRYCE, formerly Minister of the
Presbyterian Church at Calcutta, and now the
leader of the party in the Kirk who stand up for
the supremacy of the law in opposition to Dr,
CHALMERS, and the non-inttusionists who fight
under the banner of " Independence," has pub-
lished an Address to the Bishops and Clergy
of the Church of England on the present
position of the Church of Scotland. To this step
Dr. BRYCE has been led by the example of Dr.
CHALMERS, who had thought it advisable to
appeal to the sympathies of the Anglican hierarchy
in favour of his independent principles of eccle-
siastical government. The one Address, therefore
naturally produced the other, for Dr. BRYCE.
from the station vthich he holds, could not see
an attempt made to bias the minds of the English
Clergy and of the public, without endeavouring to
set things in their proper light. He has, accord-
ingly, subjected the appeal of his antagonist to a
most rigid examination, testing his principles by
the standards of the Church, and bringing
to bear upon his various positions a formi.
dable battery of facts drawn from the. history
of the Scottish Establishment, and a no lest
powerful array of arguments drawn from the
same source. The result is that one can
hardly • imagine a more complete " mol-
lishin than Dr. BRYCE has administered
to 1)r. CHALMERS. Never was subject under the
keen knife of the keenest anatomist made to un-
'dergo a more thorough dissection—the very skelc•
ton is separated bone from bone.

We had made some extracts from Dr. BRYCE'S
admirable little pamphlet, but our columns are so
crowded with more pressing matter that we are
compelled to postpone their publication. In the
mean time we strongly recommend this brochure to
all who desire to understand the true merits of the
important question at issue between the contend.
ing parties in the Church of Scotland. The Lon.
don publishers are W. and D. ALLEN.

We must again merely direct the attention of
our readers to the important proceedings at the
Corn Exchange, Manchester, yesterday. It is
enough to say of them, that if they do not sur.
pass in interest the proceedings o❑ Monday, they
are not inferior to them.

Some of the Morning Papers announced that
slight apprehensions were last night entertained
that the peace of the Metropolis Might be disturbed.
Nothing, however, transpired to warrant the apple.,
hensions. If any mischief were intended the know.
ledge that the authorities were on the Aletta and
that they had taken several precautions, sufficed
to prevent it. There was a meeting of the work.
ing-classes at the Hall of the Trades, Abbey-street
Bethnal-green, but it broke up without the slight-
est tendency to riot. The news which our Journal
contains from the manufacturiug districts of the
disposition of the superior order of working-
men to agitate now for the repeal of the
Corn-laws, in preference to the Charter, will
separate them from the Chartists, and re-
duce the number of thi;se inclined to mischief
to a small and impotent band. We are satisfied,
from our knowledge of the working classes, that the
majority of them are, by nature and disposition, the
most determined enemies of disorder. Nothing
but serious and long continued oppression and insult
—such as the Tories were wont to practiee---will
drive them to have resource to outrage. Let
the Legislature only be just, and the Executive
good-te►npered and firm, and there will be no-
thing to fear. We, however, would not answer
for the peace of society, unless the Legislature set
a better example.

The article, headed " The Dissenters' Lea,'
ders," which will be found in another column,
deserves the attention of the Dissenting community,
as it will assist them in appreciating the
services rendered to the cause of religions
freedom by a - lately-formed society, pro-
fessing to have. the furtherance of that
cause far its object. The Patriot, a Dis-
senting. clique newspaper, has, it seems in
summing up the merits of the Religious
Freedom Society" included an item to which it has
no itixt claim. This Society—of which by the bye
the Editor of the Patriot is the Secretary-, .when
applied to on behalf of the Qanadian prisoners,
some of whom were Dissenters, could not " see
anything on the face of the case to connect it with
religion ;" and stated, as an excuse for its non-in-
terference, that " respectable people in general have
a gre• t horror of civil war." It kept aloof from
the unfortunate prisoners until its assistanee was
no longer wanted, and then it all at once
becaMe convinced that there was something in the
case to connect it with religion. The moment
that the Government intimated an intention of li-
berating the prisoners, the horror that •" respect-
able" people have of civil war vanished ; and " then
it was," says the Statesman, "for the fisf.4 time
the Society became 4ealoms irk their behalf.

the Piacio# no,kv TecoAnA§ ki\Q tase* . , and
as if it had di-
rected Ow proce&dings-, and ,
worked out the results."
What shall thought of a public body which can
thus Mittescend to bolster up its character, as the
SSaieitzunt justly rematks,:with claims undischarged
and duties unfulfilled ? What but this, that the
Religious Freedom Society is got up for other
purposes than those which it professes to the public
to have in view ; and that its aim is to
suppress,"
to " put out," and " to smother."
Th

speech of AI. THIERS in the French
Chamber of Deputies on Monday, reported in

~. .:i: `•Je .O

the Pais Evening Journals of that day, is said to
lave produced a profound sensation in the political
circlers of the capital. The subject of debate, as
we stated in The Sun of yesterday, was the para-
giaph in the address relative to the Oriental ques-

tion, upon which the Ministers claimed for them-
selv s the merit of the wisest and Most upright
policy. M. THIERs commenced his speech by
observing that two courses were open to Ministers,

the one active, the other passive, and that they had
rightly adopted the latter. He accused them, how-
cvtr, of having committed two great errors ; the
first consisted in not allowing MEHEMET ALI and
the Porte to settle their own differences,without mak-
ing an European question of what never ought
to have been one, and which by becoming one only
became the more perplexed ; and secondly, in not
coining to a full and amicable understanding with
Great Britain, the natural ally of France, upon this
question. M. THIERS confirmed a statement made
sotre days ago by the Morning Post, and contra-
dieted by the Globe, but which The Sun of
the same date affirmed was perfectly correct—
namely, that the Russian Envoy, M. Brturiovv,
had proposed to the British Government that in
the event of IBRAHIM marching upon Constanti-
nople, Russia should be allowed to occupy that capi-
tal, and that four British and as many French
vessels of war should pass the Dardanelles. Such
a convention M. THIERS maintained would make
no alteration in the Treaty of Unkiar Ske-
lessi-- and this also was what we urged
in answer to a contrary opinion expressed by the
Poet; but, as the ex-Foreign Minister well ohs
served, Russia once in possession of Const!,nti-
nople could shut the Dardanelles whenever she
pleased, and of course add the four British and
French ships in the sea of Matmora to the number
of her squadron in the Black Sea. He therefore
trusted that the proposal made by M. Bruniow
would be at once rejected. M. THIERS went on
to pronounce a glowing eulogium on the alliance
with England, which he hoped the Government
would do all in its power to strengthen and con-
solidate. The interests of the two countries were
the same, and.l2e should regret exceedingly that any
mere misunderstanding should impair an alliance so
grand and noble. France ought to feel proud to
unfurl her flag beside that of England the motto of
which was " Moderate Liberty, and the Peace of
the World." The wrongs justifying the breaking up
of this noble alliance should at least come front
England, and up to the hour in which he ,ascended
the tribune the Hon. Deputy did not think
there was one with which she could reproach.
herself, NAPOLEON in exile had lamented that,

he had failed to realize this great alliance ; and
though, forty years ago, causes existed for estrange-
ment, yet these causes were happily no longer in.
being. England, he maintained, was seriously at-
tached to the French alliance, and had given ample
proofs of her sincerity by her conduct upon the
Belgian question, the Spanish question, her friendly
mediation between France and the United States,
and therefore it was incumbent upon Ministers to
act in cordial harmony with her, if they sought the
honourable settlement of the Oriental question. In
conclusion, the Hon. Deputy implored the Go-
vernment and the country to maintain the alliance
with Great Britain—an alliance the most glorious,
natural, and necessary to France, that she could
possibly possess. These sentiments were received
with loud cheers ; and throughout the delivery of
his speech, M. TRIERS was listened to with the
most profound attention., The Minister of the
Interior, M. DUCHATEL, followed, but he had
merely ascended the tribune when the mails
left. for London. We do not anticipate
on the part of any member of the Government,
a dissent from the eonvictions of M. TRIERS
as to the importance of the English alliance. The
friends of tie Orleans dynasty must be sensible,
whatever the Legitimists may urge to the contrary,
that England is the only power thitt sees in the
social prosperity and repose of France a sure
guarantee for the peace and progressive
of the world.

The trial of the secon'', batch of prisoners ac-
cused of participat:n_ in g i the insurrection of the
12th of M:„y 1,4 was commenced on Monday in
th:e Court of Peers. M. BLANQUI was among
the number. Only the preliminary forms were
gone through on Monday.

The National Guards of Paris, to the number
of 600, presented addresses on Sunday to IVINI.
LAFITTE, ARAOO, MARTIN (de Strasbourg),
and DUPONT (de l'Eure), thanking them for
their labours as members of the Reform Com-
mittee for endeavourinct to obtain an extension of
the suffrage.

We have spoken of the recent appearance of some Eng
glish men-of-war off the Dardanelles. This fact was not
confirmed. Letters from Constantinople, received at Vienna
on the 2d of January, state, however, that some English
men-of-war had re-appeared at that station, but had quit-
ted it and gone to rejoin the squadron of Admiral Stopford.
We have pointed out all the phases of the movement,
which was bringing England to an approximation to Rusais
on the eastern question. The return of M. Brunow to
London, seemed to be intended to hasten the result.
The following paragraph is in the Revue de Park
published yesterday
" It unbappily-seems but too certain that the proposals
of M, Brunow have been favourably received by Lord
Palmerston, and the Anglo-Russian alliance seems to be
now eompleted.—Gazette de France.
We have received this morning a letter from Algiers,
dated the sth of this month. Nothing important bad taken
place since the affair of the 31st of December. Lieut.-
General Galhula had arrived at Algiers from Bona on the
of January.—.Le Constitutionnel.
MAS DE LAS MATAS —Brigadier-Generals Zurbano and
Aleson yesterday attacked Moline; where Llaugostetia had
two battalions and one squadron, which retreated at the
approach Of the Christine troops.
'iive.rything is preparing for the siege of Segura. At
the same time O'Donnell will besiege Aliaga, and Aspiros
A Ipliente.—Phare des Pyrenees.
SARAGOSSA, JAN. 2.—Cabrera has been conveyed from
Harbes to Morella en a litter at the desire of his sisters,
who did uc.l think him in safety. His life continues to be
the. greatest ()Anger. The headquarters of the Duke
do not move. The third division stationed between Mala
and Los Omar Is ready at the first notice to move towards
•Ejulve. The insurgents occupy Molinos, Ejulve, and the
whole country as far as eastellote.—Le Commerce.
• BOURSE.—PARIS, MONDAY, JAN. 13.
First Highest Lowest Last
French
Price Price. Price, Price.
per Cents ....... 01 112 ... 112 25 119 •
112 20
44 per Cents lO7 10 .., 107 10 107 10 107 1
4 per Cents lO4 50 .04 50 ... 104 40 104
ii 409
3 per Cent 5.......... SO 90 .• 30 93 ... SO ...80
Bank of France s9o
...3075
75
Lattitte Bank t,noor. Sh lO4O —.1040 ...1040 5,000 f. Sh 5050
..▪
.5155
Belgian Bank
852 50 ••• 885 85 50 885
5 per t
eems 8 102)4 104 102
3 per Cents
7! ". 71 ... 71 ... 71
Spanish Active ...
25X ••• 23% ... 25% ...25%
Passive
6% ...
Portnenese 3 per Cents ...... $1,1% ... 244 244 24ki
NDon Miguel
3 ... 3
ltearolitan ........................ 103 ... If/3 30 • 10' 20 ••• !°,.3 30
otnan• •.
............ 10134 ... 102 10.%
RAILWAY SHARES.
St. Goo-nein ................. 590
‘. sgo 577 50 ... 577 5,1
Versailles. R. 13 .................. 414 505 ..• 502 50 ••• 509 5°
L. 13. ............ ....„ 34C 340 M 7 50 MS 75
Orleans . • ... ............ 450 450 ... 450 ... 450
Strasburg to
....... 337 50 337 59 ... 3.31 M 3r1.2

It is slid that W. F. Campbell, Eso M.P. for Argyllshire, will ho vaised
." of Islay,
the marriage of the Quezo.—G/- ‘, the Peerage at
•
1,1" WEA7kiRn. • isaoto Herald.
THEPARKS, &c.—The
weather Iwo at-
,th changed, and the frost has been
on ivf
thaw. The thermometer, at ten o'clock
.onday night, stood at 30 degrees, two degrees
-
below freezing point, at which time the frost was but
very slight. About twelve o'clock the sky became over-
cast with dark clouds, and from that time the thermo-
meter continued gradually to rise, until four o'clock it
stood at 36 degrees. Soon afterwards a light rain came
on, which continued until a quarter-past five o'clock,
• when for a quarter of an hour the rain descended in
torrents, quickly altering the appearance of the face of
the country. The rain continued with slight intermis-
sion until about ten o'clock, when the sun broke through,
and the rain ceased. At that time the thermometer
stood at 40 degrees, at one o'clock it was 46 degrees,
and at six o'clock on Tuesday evening again 40 degrees.
The ice in the various parks was covered with water,
and the whole of the icemen of the Royal Humane
Society were kept all day at their posts for the purpose
of preventing foolhardy persons from venturing on it.