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111.94tat-teeihrtoeil.litififtiikl e nee'lil.trareaS .1. .1.1.;
aii-dichn -otii;ic.:rcoZtel rnd 1.4
till:di:Eslit
k.'49;0001. One million more was to be added
it'atbe balance- due 'to 'the achiezneritsoomootr.
ofdte 'NY, for the capture of stores : '
hay 'eulni called for ill the present Session wouldso also - illie been necesSary in aid of the Civil List. Th'-
sdisi 'flatle up the 21,000,0601. lie had mentioned,.ear,
hiliechq the
to be provided for in the present 3 2 " (lid not .. Fiona the renewal of war,
aid tni_ , arise
1)14e... test "VC been borne had no suchb evaesnktntda,k.einf
thel'v Ile was aware it would
tricesarbsehonilteleti
inemartfinntetrier,e
ear
woueld sue)). ex-
vi
jYtill4,t. there .He would not
would he no difficulties to contend
ties bid
It was not probable that those di,,tficul-
stir--
iho *Quid be of equal magnitude with those thihllintted in the present year. He could hardly.
Rki'aitlinssible that this country would he 11 taelieg "n an extensive naval war, while makingt.
eorit.exrtions as she was now displaying on n
les 14ent• Either the attention of France would
tit:11)(10i directed to the confederated' armiese_
fort se Ills' not be able to make any great
net.
kerltwitli her Navy.; or, supposing any ariran,„ita_
I,l}(o‘itile4sr.,t,Gtliberet exnpiaceilleech? her with the Co it unelies,l
now incurred for our. armies, f eeaSep and the supplies at present de,n,
(1,,,
4tas ti'tr tl'eln could be applied to the seear_e t.
tte catY; so that he conceived no prospect of erpe;Var being continued at the present. greaa(t.
l'tenice.' J.Tp to the ..year 1814, a provision had
htli,,,- Tade for 140,000 seamen. These. were
.n_
teaiceei in the last year to 70,000 ; but this; la_,
s,zil',6f a diininution had caused a great_ additional lersr,4lce as the number of persons returning f
tlier,l"iYa;•,fres, and elaiminc,
tflari 1, 'Ill" Iliad( larg'er disbursements necessary
the arrears core to
e 4`:Th,„
,it'ere called for at any period 'of 'the war.---
Nrthen could. not continue, and he thought
thelticlaisittot too sanguine, when he looked for a
'Aar, 'nu 'in the naval estimates For the nexti__
it t4the amount of four or five millions, inch d
tv. r4'lsPorts rri
if
the • .I..ie reduction
ar Year. War should continue, would, in
five-and-
, he not less than four or
th Yirllilli""s, He believed that, .in every stagebei tskede -21,te war, this question had constantly
The
QE
akt,i ( Row shall we go 01Y next year t'' 1-,'..t
kliti:r.[eisoatzwer to this had been, that the spit'
elOf the nation would still furnish the
tteee, f"r proseduting the contest, if it should b_.
t 4
44411. -Tll4 answer, he thought, might surfe
0t1,1,1 the present occasion. The House wften.-
tish i 'tlpPose the Act of 1813 would not yet
hands
ti thi..reth resources from the fund in the
.i.an
al_
tiebt". Connaissioners for redeeming the National tssia Though when all the grants of the present
a,411 were passed, but nine or tlitre
,reinaill• iti their hands, in the next yea_
ten millionsr
14,111 i 5:"1,1 he 'found in their care from 20 to 3°
l'en''s l'f stuck. Il had 'raised by loans
Tliti-Usellt year, ,
less'esum than 45,500,00;/.
10'%10004,,,5e wouidne°onsidear the prospect before. us'
'stai 'Y Quin it plight otherwise
/eat ,e,4 that itappear when
kill. the loan Was probable, able that in the next
I;o(4,Pas. -- required would .
141 from 20 to 36' stock
1,4441er bed 7 in the hands Of the Commis-
inilnloiotusexocfe.ed..2o
tcii;i,:‘j'lC‘lliiu,t. ‘vha-thatdo induced Ministers to
a public loan, rather
tiv,, La a ilp;',._ recourse
'va's
tlinocie ';f'lnneneet.rnocust,hetleAxu_ ugh a more. produc-
i:encies of the case
l'gtzt ili,s"--they had rberason to hope the contest,
was vie e short. In whatever light
°F taulvett. whether we supposed-the Government
Abe subject
tl'e do,ci'Parte was Oily established over France by
Ilieti,'l'lleering power of. a mutinous army, or
the soer it was assumed that he was invested with
,114tiaiiin'etrieign authority by the suiTrages of the.
"qt 4:" large. in the present instance it coda
l','eess,eet the Measures which it had become
qttatrY for England to adopt. Placed in that
lola ,11?? Which we occupied, we could not hut
tittle,ol;itztattliettotn(!ederated Powers to give France
t ‘4Yal L'r
alldeclare Jierself, and to enable
L NI), b yto struggle for the liberty of.the.inr.
t'ssessi)- efrne its present Chief should be
_I
lilitt'''Priß" (>4: 43 whole resources. How far the
de Prise its
succeed he could not say : but
Ito'll's, r,:ifashe did in many parts of France, nuir-
tt4"lities tqlPressed, and seeing in others open
'e r 'he could not but cherish a belief that
k 'al sit
,'''. l,i
,Pporters of Buonaparte were but very,.
Nilk!eQ. tat s pposin-,, for the misery 0,
~‘'''Rylig,',:', nlost of all -for France, tliat, carried
vt'elst '‘,l,7r lust for military triumphs, she should
:11(larst
o4fl:l.Lhe Chief to lied .her armies e
4 ' %Lei -Qurope, and that for such a .tloarael-
sie
l,:Ie (1014,,t1. tieliberutely rejected a mild and ino-
lit%tili'iltaltrattiirlnnbroeilriet terrible as it rnig,!.t be, to
'strength ._ of Fritnce_inesertcul.titiai titQpeet t,i u,'' Would make little' ull.telt ,
ea
(itt the me,
~ kid, r me. . asnits that ought to be pursu .
r(, olot,.lns ought, in fact, to be put forth,
14'41'leat,ilt.ense energy exerted to crush her Go-
k),litlitits. a its nature inimical to all other Go-
t'et 14,4 lie was uuwilling tobelieve that
4.41.4 tt-, 'acted such a part ; that
'..'11
Prince,
14,44 klic:wa3z. of -a moderate and legal.eve.n,
ttiiiti.4lll
t,N, if, ,rnied without law, and who 11.,, 4(1 t 14, on the Constitution he recentlYre-
iil, ci establish. Such a Power must be etorn-
iterat..ill'tist find its end in eternal discorfi, oi•
't1„;111 r::.,•,6'ree, or it will never rest satisfied.
si)ll,,!4aty 'domination extended over the
toltit',4elL urnpe. kle was tint aware that he had
r 4 lirell4te al • tiling necessarily coonected
Qiiil si b 11
hold hinnelf
li, Yielo, ' Seer; but he should.• _ .
L. rtiii ••trer any ferth .1.- - lanarion which might
-4 0 esql,„: , . .
4iir's l'3tlll'l 1,1 the. Coeun'ulit)tcte. ' He then moved..
flat a provi-
-41? hit`ik"ill 6:,`")"', wi"th was—'' '-‘)(; 0)0 0001.
.t,,, qi ' , mace 4-'or a Loan of •-,‘'''- ( '
'i;lq,, isN by,„) ,r ' • 07 000,000/.. for
Alr .1,, anti 0 :!, () annuity ; - ,
,t
viq • l'il,p,, J3600,0001..f0i• lreland. . _ _
111‘1('It4,U •;;",t'Y ''nsee—He expressed. his full sa-
-41,,i,'.1a.„;'" 'lle stateesient Of the Ways awl I\leans,t
C4' the slPe'snicuous enough—but he could niao
4,)lta ii),,' ',le :admission on the calculation re.i .
ti,,j'b!ii-,,:`,;:at taxes, which was built upon lye
I,iittii.oll",,,alate of [lle Property T"• %'e
ktil, the i I"entleinao, it was true., consoled them lily, to that the great -amount of arrears,
ttcl.lto h` n(liv to- be praided for, were not
latt'.(/'1 0.1, :ve recurrence ; but how could they
liiiil•li: td, ti,„"11" Prospect, wi.en all inquiries re-
ct. hear i'" ""ttle and details of past 'services
4ertltiliti''':t.'irjahlY rejected, and when
tur this growing accumulation (a
th.e day

clay whist! moat CoMe at I.:150_114 been uniformly
protracted ? Two millions arid alialfs•ii appeared,
were nitiv tobe madegoml to the tommissariat De-
yartment„and then 9 millions to theArmvExtroarcl is
names--Russia ivas also, to have 200,6001. besidis
the 500,0091. already giveii for her ships ; 140,0001.
to Spain, Portugal, Austria,,and Russia, tar out-
standing odds and ends.. All these,• it-is stated;
will not be incurred-again ; but who is to be
-spiinsible for that pledge ? The Right Honourable
Gentleman then entered into a calculation of the
total amount of the expenditure, with the means
by which it was proposed to meet this 'demand.
In the Barrack Estimates there was an exceeding
of 99,0001. and he feared that there, would be
many such exceedings in other. departments.
Some time since he had said,-that there would be
something additional forthcoming in the dernands
for the present year; and it seemed he was not
mistaken. There were 400,0001. to Austria, and
200,0001. to Russia, in addition to the former
500,0001. for taking care of the Russian ships, for
it could not be said that England required their
service. There' were now 1,400,0001. brought
forward for the first time, in little odds and ends,
of which Parliament bad never been aware. *Why
then may he now suppose that on some hone
occasion a similar circumstance twill happen ?
It will appear to the 'Ministers more convenient
to keep the large snot back,. while the Chan7j
cellor of the Exchequer will, from' time to
time, demand of the House the different parts of
which it would eventually he composed. For
this he could only account by his worthy Friend
not being let into the secrets ; this, he 'believed,
was frequently the case, and that he knew no-
thing of the expenditure of the -country until it
came into him in the form of a Bill, when he
must make good the money requisite. There was
also a million- for remonerating the captors of
prizes. He was as willing as any one to re-
ward those gallant men, who exerted themselves.
in the cause of their country ; but. all he con-.
tended for was, that distinguished Officers would
again arise, and the faithful Commons would again
be called on to reward their merits, and thus an in-
crease would be made to the general expenditure,
which was not at piTsent contemplated. But even
supposing that much of the expenditure arose from
unexpected contingencies, and that of the total
amount of 89,728,0001. for the current expenses,
the sum of 21,000,0001. was for extraordinaries
that 'wotild.never occur again—yet would not the
Committee pause to reflect how immense asnm was
68 millions. The, Chancellor of the Exchequer
might congratulate the country oti gettiog off so
rsell ; but let Gentlemen consider in how -short
a period the national expenditure increased to
such an amount, and they would
.hesitate before.
they could sanetioa a rvar, in which, from its
nature, the expensei must be progressively in-
creasing. The country had long been flattered
with brilliant hopes of brighter prospects, but-
by some fatality it was doomed to be disap-
pointed. No one could be more attentive to the
great duties of his office than the 'Chancellor
of the Exchequer, but- all his hopes and- all
his. suggestions were falsified, - which arose not
from any desire to deceive, but from the nature
of the" state the country, in which the expend-
iture must eternally advance. In addition to-the
sums for which we shall be called on hereafter,.
he would Mention a very probable one, which
arose train the bargain just concluded with the
Allied Powers. Those Monarchs agreed to march
their troops for five millions of money; but, in
consequence of the rate of exchange, they will
receive no more than four, with which, he feared,
they would not be perfectly satisfied: He lament-
ed that the system of finance, pursued with much
wisdom by Mr. Pitt, was entirely deserted. It had
been the principle of that able financier, to raise
the War Taxes in the year in such a manner as to
diminish considerably the amount of the loan, and
use the operation of the Sinking Fund to-enable
him to raise the Loan .on More advantageous
terms.—[Here the Right Honourable Gentleman
read a schedule, sheaving the relative amount of
the taxes and loans since the year 1806, by which
he shewed that they proceeded in an inverse ratio,
until at length the loans exceeded the taxes by
seventeen millions.]—Would it then be imprudent
to request the Committee to pause and consider
nidiat were the state of affairs when the system so
long approved was totally exploded ? As to the
changes produced in the relative state of the
Sinking Fund and National Debt, lie shewed- that
it bad considerably deteriorated; and, in fine,
that the entire system of Mr. Pitt was set aside
by his own disciples and friends; not so much,
perhaps, from any fault of theirs, but from thein-
vincible necessity arising from the progressive in-
crease of the public expenditure. It hod ever
been desirable to reduce the Loan to the amount
of the Sinking;' Fund; in 1808- it approached to
within two millions, bat. in the present year it
exceeded it by 33 millions. The Noble Lord may
thick this trifling., but the House should feel
that we are not in such a state as could justify
our giving money to 'every one that asks it. With
respect to the loan, lie allowed it was a very fair
bargain, and very creditable to those persons con-
cerned in it. He expected nothing less from this
respectability of the negociators, and congratu-
lated the country on obtaining'such good terms ;
but he spoke thus relatively to the present circum-
stances ; and the terms of the loan shewed bow
conSiderable was - the depreciation of the public
credit at present. The prospect, therefore, was
not such as could' gratify the country, when a loan'
was negociated at the commencement of a tear,
and Consols*s4.•—He then alluded to the Decla-
ration of Vienna, which at first appeared signed
in a moment of vexation at seeing that
.miscregnt
Gentlenzarz neturn from his exile ; but instead
'of. instantly crushing him, the Allies allowed
him time to consolidate his power, and embody
an army of 360,000 men. He' feared for the
consequences of such an unprovoked war, in which
France would, from wounded feelings of national
pride, !Lally round their Emperor, and oppose the
intrusion of foreigners. He said tire object of the
_war was the restoration of the Bourbons, and that
a single effort' would not be "effectual for the pro-
posed object. Of this the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer was aware, and his future Vote of Credit
is a good proof of his opinions. ThiNie thought a
favourable opportunity of pressing his -sentiments
against a war, whose expense would sap the vitals

the. State, anti ru7,!. rwr France hater
,fie reared did Oti)-2r nai ions; for our insolence.
,—(liear; bear, froni the Ministerial Beriehes)—=
The Noble Loo cheei's at the word, inSOlence,'
but he gave the world a' tolerable proof of no
great modesty, when he had medalS,Sfrtick to a
large amount for the diirerent Courts of Europe,
on one side the Prince Regent's head, and on the
Other Britannia, rAi?r,ing turope from a reclining
posture, with. this, motto, ‘` Se ipsuinconstd7itia
exenzpium Europe." .1-te deprecated a civil war
in France, which would be equalls. injurious to
the rest of Europe. hie defied, Tslinisters to go on.
for two years with the present expndittire, tind
concluded witty expressing a Wish that we could
secure the blessings of pea Ce..
Mr. ARBUTHNOT denied that—we were hated
even • in France ; amid as to every other part of
Europei he belieVed we were highly esteemed acid
respected.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCKEQUER (in reply
to the comments. of Mr. Tierney); Said, that the
great expence of the Army Extraordinaries arose
from the war in the Peninsula. kVe were now
able;th carry on our army service by!egular sup-
plies. NO great expence could, now come upon
_us without being forseen and provided fin before-
hand. This was impossible•in the Peninsula War,
• from the scattered nature of the service, and the
wlde extent of country from which supplies were
'to be drawn. A great reduction had taken place
iu the -Commissariat expences, from the disem-
bodying the Militia. The Commissariat expence
of the army abroad had likewise been greatly
reduced. With respect to Barrack expences, it
would be a great satisfaction to the House that
the Estimates this year had been so much
duced. This chewed that there was no disposi-
tion on the part of Government to push the Bar. 7
rack Establishments beyond what the service:re-
quired. The Foreign Expenditure was recognis-
ed by former decisions of the House. The plan
of Mr. Pitt;of raising supplies within the veaCto
meet the expenditure, was justly considered of the
greatest service to the public credit—but this
practice had been deviated front at three periods :
In 1805, Mr,. Pitt di& not raise the whole sum
within the 'year. it was avowed by -Lord Lans-
down and Lord Grenville, that in this way we
could only meet the permanent expenc,es of the.
country'during a war ; .but that the extraordinary
expences of the country arising from a Conti-
nental Warfare. must be provided by other means.
—He had himself stated his firm conviction that
the. permanent expenditure ought to he net
by what ‘vas raised within the year. We (night
either • to attempt to extend. our -means, or_ to
limit our expenditure, so Os to put them on a
level : but this conldiaot apply to any; great and_
temporary increase of expenditure. The great
purpose of the expenditure of the three last years
was the bringing the continental war to a speedy
termination.
.This had once been effected beyond
the expectations of all men, and he did not des-
pair of seeing our future efforts attended with a
similar result.' Much- had been said by the Right
Hon. Gentleman against the system of taking mo-
ney from the Sinking Fund. The defence lie (Mr.
V.) had to make to this charge was simply this, •
that it had relieved the country from six millions
of Taxes—a matter Of no small congratulation,
and the experiment had been crowned with, com-
plete success. The remainder of the observations
of the Right Honourable Gentleman applied to
the general plan of policy pursued by this country
with regard to the war ; they were a recapitula,
tion of ,a certain political creed, the belief .in
which was confined to a few individuals, and had
been often disptited, if not refuted. Into that
question he would not now enter at any length,
but lie contended that the immense' inundation of
troops belonging to the Allies, pursuant to the
Declaration of the 13th of March, in the spirit of
which the Government of Great Britain Perfectly
coincided, led to a sanguine hope that the issue
would be prosperous ; it must be admitted on all
hands, allowing, %dat was never denied, the skill
of the Officers an4l gallantry of the soldiers of
France, that the odds at least were very much in
our favour. With respect to the free Constitu-
tion which France had framed for herself, it was.
certainly a most extraordinary commencement, to
place a man like Buonaparte at the head, ,who
guaranteed- that free Constitution by a military
force, and by all the despotism of martial law.—
(Hear, hear!)

SUPPJ,,Y,

The Hotme resolved itself into a Committee
of Supply, and the Commissariat and Barrack
stitites,heintr. referred thereto,, on the motion
of Mt. ARBUTHNOT the I.ollotVillg sums were
voted:—
rth the Barraelis of Great Britain,- in
which, as there was little new building
. this year,. there was a dhoinutiOn of ex-
pence of near 80,0031; the expellee last
-year being 170,0001 L 99,996 0 0
For the Commissariat Department
Far the Store-Keeper General's Department 91,600 0' 0
Fer 'the Deficieocy in the Grant to the
Oflite,e.f the I.33her of the.Exchequr for
Stationary in 1813

470 II 8

To a question from Mr. MARTIN, Mr. ARBUTH-
NOT answered, that it %vas a Lady held this Otiee
•
at present.

For the Deficiency to the same in 1814
For Repairs of the Court of Exchequer and
Feesof Officers
For the further Improvements of West-
minster • -
For the Deficiency of Printing the Journals
of the Honse of Commons. in 1314
For the Improvements of Holyhead Har-
bour in )814 .
For embanking the River Thames opposite
the Penitentiary 8,984 0 0
For Foreign and etlier Secret Services .-• • 35,000 0 0
For the New Buildings of the Mint ... 4,560 0 0
Arr. WELLESLEY POLE said, that this was probably the
last 'sum that would be required for accommodation for any
one belonging to the Miut ; and to some observations from.
Mr. Martin and Mr. Banker, he.answered that there was not
one person employed in the Mint who was not absolutely oe-
ees4ary, for that there were two extensive separate branches
belongingqo it, the one the -operative branch, and the other
the cheek.

To a question from Mr. nR ENrELL, whether there was an
intention of an v coihage of Silver,_ as the country was in Very
great want of Shillings and Sixpences, and was supplied with
a debased silver corrincy Irmo Frauce, Mr. W. POLE answer-
ed, that there were Ave., millions lately coined,. a large pro-
ortion of which was silver.
For the Iloird of Agriculture of 1811
nave repairing the British
Fur
i u'oirtasinoit''lill:(i;i (4..itytt of Africa
I'or repairing the Rolds hetween London
• alit Holyhead, atsd London,and Bangor
Ferry, by Shremhury

2,000 0 0

30,000 0 0