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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT

ROUSE OF LORDS, June 18.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
at Five o'clock.
BILLS FROM TETE COMMONS.

Several Bills were brought up and read a first time.
COPYHOLD COMMISSION BILL.
On the motion of Lord CAMPBELL this Bill was
read a second time.

TUIIS PIKES CONTINUANCE BILL.
On the motion of the same NOBLE LORD this Bill was
read a second time.
GREAT BRITAIN STEAM-SHIP.
The Earl of RODEN stated that the Great Britain
steamship had been rim aground in the Bay of Dun-
drum, with'n sight of his 'own residence. Up to the
prerelit time numerous unsuccessful efforts had been
ma-,!e, by means of breakwitter3, to preserve the vessel
daring the storm, and through the exertions of Captain
tlaxton, he hoped that that splendid vessel would
be restored to its owners. He had been struck
with the great services rendered by the use of faggots
as a breakwater, and he wished to ask the Noble Lord
at the head of the Admiralty whether any steps had
been taken by ta3 Government with a view to ascertain-
ing the value of this kind of material as a breakwater?
The Earl. tt AUCKLAND was understood to say
that the Gyverninent had sent an officer to inspect the
position of this vessel, and they had made an offer to
the pro-pr:ietors of the use of a powerful steamer should
it be mquired to aid in getting- the vessel off.
BATHS AND .WASEHIOUSES. _

OY, the second reading of this ill being moved,
1.-rd MONTEAGLE wished to call the attention o,
tlyeir Lordships to the importance of providing suitable
:!commodation for the public in baths and washhouses.
The Noble Lord also presented a petition suggesting the
adoption of baths in evEry parish, and that they should
be supported by rates.
PEES AT ST. PAUL'S.

Earl FITZIifLLIAII complained of the practice of
e'iargin fees for viewing the cathedral of St. Paul's.
He attended there yesterday, and a charge of 2d. was
made upon him for inspecting the structure. He thought
it was ttiO, time that the system was put an end to.
MESSAGE FROM rim COMMONS.
nestenp;ers from the Commons brought in several
Bill's, which were ordered to lie on the table.
MASTERS IN CHANCERY BILL.
On the motion of the LORD CHANCELLOR, the
Masters in Chancery Bill and the Masters in Chancery
Affidavit Office Bill were read a third time and passed.
JUVENILE OFFENDERS' BILL.
The Earl of DEVON moved the Committee on this
Bill, and briefly entered into its details.
Lord BROUGHAM thought that something must be
done to remedy the present defective state of the law
with respect to the punishment of juvenile offenders.
There were many cases in which the services of a jury
might be dispensed with, pirticularly in dealing with
very young persons. He entirely approved of that part
of the Bill which made parents responsible for the good
conduct of their children.

Lord DENMAN had long thought it expedient
and necessary for the ends of justice that all petty cases
s'muld be submitted to a jury, because he never could
think that an Englishman should be tried without a jury;
still the evils inherent in the mode of trying
juvenile and petty- ',offences were great ; for instance,
persons were tried fur stealing such things as eggs,
stows, and game. They were incarcerated for some
time before their trial, and when at last the time arrived
juries considered that the parties had been suffi-
ciently punished ; and even when they were
found guilty, the ju•lge could only inflict
a fine of one shilling in consequence of
the mishment which the prisoner had received.
The consequence was, that petty offences were
cemmitte I with impunity, and the lower classes, who
were the persons guilty of them, were demoralised. He
was compelled, theref,re, however reluctantly, to say
that the jury might be dispensed with in such cases
where a good and responsible tribunal could be obtained.
He did not see any reason why any question which in-
volved expense should not be submitted to the tribunal
over which his Noble and Learned Friend presided. If
this Bill were then to go forward, he thought that some
clauses should be inserted with a view to rendering the
puni-hment available for the purpose. Then, again,
there was a clause that required that imprisonment for
three months; now, it was very well known that short
i:nprisoninents did no good whatever. They often made
thieves for life, and he therefore thought that the pun-
ishment should be more particularly specified, and that,
moreover. there ought to be a clause to oblige restim
Lion ; for, although the law required that the
property should be restinred, yet it might, in a ,
variety of cases, not be forthcoming; and if the
accused possessed the means, he ought to be
compelled to make good the amount to the person who
had lost it. For instance, take a case of forgery, in
which the proceeds of the fraud had been transmitted to
the colonies, where the receiver might set up for a gen-
tleman on the results of successful villany. Who was
to compel the restoration of that of which the original
holder had been unjustly deprived, unless there was some
elauae to oblige its realisation out of the property of the
offender? A restitution clause ought, therefore, to be
inserted to obtain that object.
Lord BROUGHAM begged then to suggest that a I
clause should be inserted in the Bill by which the offen-
ders should be made responsible, under the Insolvent
Debtors' Act, for the amount which had been fraudu-
lently abstracted, as well as liable to the adjudication
of the Criminal Court.
_ _

Lord CAMPBELL was rejoiced that the Noble Lord
opposite, as well as his N-ble and Learned Friend the
Chief Justice, concurred in the principle of the Bill.
Doubtless it might be greatly amended in Committee,
bat it was a great point to hav;-)mQ(U3 a progress thus far.
The Marquis of WESTMINSTER said, that it was
intention to move some amendments in Committee on
the Bill, having for their object the necessity of provid-
ing some general system of classification among the
juvenile prisoners.

The Ifouse then went into Committee on the Bill.
Lord DENMAN thought there should be no distinc-
tion in the Bill with regard to the age of the offenders,
though there ought to be with regard to the offence. If,
however, it was the opini,n of their Lordships that there
should be no amendment of this kind, he would not
press it.

After a short discussion , in which Lord Campbell,
Lord Portman, Lord Donman, and the Earl of Devon
took part, the amendment was withdrawn.
The several clauses of the Bill were then, with some
verbal amendments, agreed to.
Their Lordships resumed, and the Chairman brought
up the leport.

- SOAP ALLOWANCES BILL.
This Bill passed through Committee.
STAGE CARRIAGES DUTIES BILL.
This Bill also passed through Committee.
BURGH POLICE (SCOTLAND) BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 18.
Tho SPEAKEn took the Chair at Four o'clock.
NEW MEMBER.
The Hon. Fre4erick Leveson Gower took the oaths
,and his seat for Derby. The Hon. Gentleman was in-
tcodueed by Mr. Strutt and Mr. W. Entwisle.
LIMERICK DOCKS AND HARBOUR BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
EAST LANCASIIIRE RAILWAY BILL.

Thil Bill, for making deviations in the East lanca-
shire Railway and the Rawtemitall Canal branch, was
read a third time and passed.
MANCHESTER, SHP.:FFIELD, AND LINCOLN-
SHIRE RAILWAY (ASHTON CANAL PUR-
CHASE).
This BEI was read a third time and passed.
REPORTS.

The reports on the following Bills were brought up
sand orciercd to lie on the table :
Cheiter and Holyhead Railway Extension.
Crowland and Cowbit Washes, &e., Drainage.
'Manchester Corporation Waterworks (Power to sell to
Manchester and Salford Waterworks).
THIRD READINGS,
The following Bills were read a third time and
pas led :—'
Mar, chester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railway.
Norte :ern ounties Union Railway Deviation.
York 'and North Midland Railway (Knottingley Branch).
Mid:: ard Railway (Extension of the Nottingham and
LinCcAln Branch at Lincoln).
Ilidlandt Railway (Masbrough and Normanton StatiOn
Eal argetnent).
Paislay, Barrhea.d, and 'lariat Railway.
Lincoln Town ,Rating.
Limerick Docks and Harbour.
Leeds Central Railway Station. •
Guild Extension and Portsmouth and Fareham
Railway.
Mast of Fife Railway (Markineh Deviation).
Edinburgh and Northern Railway, St. Andrew's and
Newburgh Harbour, Branches, and Road Crossings
(Newport Railway Extension).
'CONSIDERATION OF REPORTS. •
T.Le reports on the following Bills were further con-
aidere.l and agreed to:—
Belfast Improvement
Caledonjan Railway (Edinburgh Station and Branches
to,. Gratltoia," and to the Edinburgh and Glasgow
Railway),
Clarence Railway, and Leeds and Thirsk Railway Amal-
gamation.
eastern Union Railviay (Branch from Manningtree to
Harwich).
Exeter and Exmouth Railway. •
Great Northern Railway (Devlationabetween Grantham
and York).
Inge rness Harbour and Navigation.
Inveriless .Municipal and Police, &c.
Leeds aid Thirslc Ii iilway(Eaglescliffe and Stillington
Extenst.n).
Leeds and Thirsk Railway (Branch from 1/11nierby to
.Northallertoe, Szo.)
Ined 'and Think llailway (Harrogate and Pateley
Branch, &c.)
:Leicester Waterworks.
:London (City) lurprovemuts.
liathmines Improvement.
Tam Vale Railway and Duel: (Deviations and Bideford
end Southtman Branches).
I",,ric and North Midland Railway (Hull Station and
Branuhes).
STOCKPORT MANORIAL TOLLS AND
BRIDGES.

On the motion for the third reading of this Bill,
Mr. B. ESCOTT opposed the third reading; on the
ground that the Bill would interfere with the interest' of
the licensed victuallers, who had been refused a hearing
before the Committee on the Bill.

Mr. TATTON EGERTON supported the third read-
ing, alleging that the inhabitants of Stockport were
particularly anxious tl}attho Bill should pass.
Tho Bill was tl ea third time.