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London, England, 1847-07-21 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, .1 aly 20.
The House met for public business shortiy afar Fiye
o'clock.

A message from the Commons brought up several
Bills, and another message requested a conference with
their Lordships, with respect to the Lords' amendments
on the Poor-law Administration Bill. The conference
having been granted, on the return of the messengers, on
the part of the Lords,
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE st,,ted that the
Commons agreed with some of the amendments, and
disagreed with others.
BUSINESS OF THE SESSION.
Lord BROUGHAM then ruse to call the attention
of the House to the manner in which the business of
Parliament had been conducted during the present ses-_
sion. He did so with no factious design. His intention
was to bring under the consideration of their Lordships
the course legislation had pursued during the present
session, and in doing so his only object was to gather
lessons for the future, and prevent Parliament from
undergoing such another session as that which was
now about to close. He would call their Lordships' at-
tention to the measures that had been introduced,
those that had been withdrawn and those that had
passed. Of the latter he felt bound to say that he had
never known a session in which such calamitous mea-
sures had passed. Of the English Poor-law Bill which
they had passed this session be could not say much.
Another measure was the Poor Heliefareland) Bill. How
long that measure was to last he could not say; but he
believed, that in bringing it forward, they were only
putting off the evil day. It was one thing to give relief,
and another, after they had taught men to be-beggars,
to withdraw it. To say that because persons were to be
relieved from hunger who were unable to help them-
selves during the summer months was a proposition
which he must confess he could not grapple with. He
found that in several districts assessments had been made
to the amount of 9s. in the pound for a single quarter of
the year, making a sum equal to 365. in the pound for
the year. Unless the pound sterling had a capacity of
swelling in Ireland, he did not see how those rates were
to be paid. Then there was the Factories Bill—it did
not require the talents of the seer to forsee what would
be the results of that Bill. Those three measures were
certainly the worst that he had ever known to be passed.
Now with respect to ;mother subject, the endowment of
the Catholic Church he thought it might be rather
an unpopular opinion to express just now, that the
Catholic priesthood ought to be endowed, and he be-
lieved that despite the assertions to the contrary, that
there was not a single individual in connexion with that
church who would not jump at the offer. He was sorry
that a measure had not been introduced to carry out
those opinions. He greatly lamented that the advice of
a Noble Friend of his had not been taken, to establish
amicable relations with the see of Rome ; and when
alluding to foreign nations, he could not in passing avoid
alluding to the Prassian Government, to pay the tribute
of his profound respect and grateful thanks for the noble
sacrifices, even of prerogative, which the illustrious
Monarch of that country had lately:made in giving a free
constitution to his people, and he knew that the same
feeling wrs felt universally in this country. In some
quarters, indeed, he knew that that gift of a constitution
was not favourably viewed, but such he knew was not the
feeling in England. Then again, there were measures which
were just brought forward seemingly for the purpose of
being withdrawn, some of them of the most important
nature, others of a less important character, but all
of them involved in one common and pitiless abandon-
ment. The first to which he would refer was one with
respect to Ireland, for the purpose of extending the
period of elections for counties in Ireland. The pre-
amble of that Bill recited, that " Whereas it was expe •
dient to limit the polling at elections to one day," yet the
Bill contained no proviso for so reducing the time to be
allowed for such elections. That Bill, however expe-
dient might have been its provisions was gone, however,
with its brother Bill—the Parliamentary Electors' Bill.
Then, again, there was the Encumbered Estates (Ireland)
Bill, which was considered of so much paramount im-
portance to the best interests of the country. Ile thought
that nothing ought to have stood in the way of allowing
that Bill to pass. But notwith,tanding the importance
and the necessity of such a measure, the Government
had made that to share the same fate as the other unfor-
tunate Bills. He then came to another Bill, which pro-
posed to effect much good for the whole commercial
system of the country, he alluded to the Railways' Bill.
He could hardly mention the name of that Bill without
exciting a smile. He highly approved of the interference
proposed by that Bill ; it was perfectly nece.,‘,ary that
some such supervision should be carried on by the
Government over the railway interests. By rail-
ways the whole of the country was cut up, the
old modes of travelling suspended, and the
roads blocked up. A monopoly was afforded to
those parties, and powers to take land and property com-
pulsorily. A Bill was brought in to allow the Govern-
ment some control over parties possessing these enor-
mous powers, and had been withdrawn in consequence of
the threatened opposition of the railway authorities.
He bad no hope to see that measure carried in the next
Parliament, which was to be the first of the railway
Parliaments, and where he had no doubt that instead of
there being one person entrusted in railways, there would
be a dozen. He deeply regretted, therefore, that the
Bill had been withdrawn. Then the Health of Towns
Bill, that was a subject mentioned in the speech from the
Throne, and .a Bill had been introduced at an early
period on the subject, but in that Bill the very place (the
city of London) which of all others most needed the ope-
ration of the Bill, was excluded therefrom. That unfor-
tunate Bill, however, went the way of all Bills, except
those which were of no real value or service to the coun-
try. Then there was the Thames Conservancy Bill, s
Bill of great national importance, that had also gone the
way of all the Bills. There was a Prisons Bill, also,
that had been withdrawn, The Regulation of Births and
Deaths (Scotland) that had shared a similar fate.
Now, all these things showed clearly to his mind the
si•zns of a weak Government, and he thought that any
Ministry was better than a weak Ministry. He sincerely
hoped that he might never live to see such sentiments
a.„),ain adopted with respect to Bills, as had been with
respect to the Health of Towns Bill, the Encumbered
Estates Bill, and the Railways Bill. He hoped to see,
whatever Government should succeed, one that was sup-
ported by public opinion, enshrined in its own Merits in
the hearts of the people, and supported by large majo-
rities in both Houses or Parliament. Most sincerely did
he trust that be might never again have to lament over
such a session as this. He would, therefore, move that
an humble address be presented to her Majesty, setting
forth that the measures recommended from the Throne
had not been carried out by her Majesty's Ministers.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said—l am sure your
Lordships must have observed that my Noble and
Learned Friend, perhaps unconsciously and unwillingly,
has directed a great deal of his speech and thrown a
great deal of blame, not merely upon the Government,
but upon the character and proceedings of Parliament.
And although my Noble and Learned Friend may have
made no direct attack upon the Government, I feel that
I would not be acting consistently with my duty to
allow this motion to be negatived (for I trust your Lord-
ships will give to it a decided negative) without a few
observations. My Noble and Learned Friend stated, in
sweeping terms, that public regret and disappointment
has been oc asioned by the measures which have
been withdrawn and the mischievous measures which
have been passed during the present session. The
general charge of my Noble Friend divides itself into
three parts—first, with respect to those mea-
sures which have passed ; secondly, with respect to
those which have failed to pass ; and thirdly, as regards
those which have been withdrawn. Now, my Lords, on
these three heads I venture to say that there is not one
word of condemnation used by my Noble Friend to-
wards the proceedings of this session of Parliament
which would not apply in an equal and corresponding
degree to four out of every five sessions that we have
gone through. And if that be so, how much less does
that blame and condemnation apply to the present ses-
sion, when the circumstances of the country were in a
condition which was more adverse to that mature deli-
berat'on which great and permanent measures require,
when there was greater exigency and more pressing
evils than almost on any previous session.—(llear.) My
Noble Friend talked about the ill consequences of a too
great subservience and courtesy of public opinion by the
other House, but I must remind him that when he de-
scribes those evils (if evils they be) he must remember
that they are the inevitable consequence of that measure
which I joined with him in supporting—which is now
the law of the land—which gave to the people that
franchise which had been most unjustly withheld from
them—those privileges to which they were fairly en-
titled, and by the concession of which the foundations of
our institutions were most materially strengthened.
When that great measure was carried my Noble and
Learned Friend must have been blind if he did not see
among its inevitable consequences the rendering of Mem-
bers of the other House of Parliament more attentive to
the wishes and feelings of their constituents, and more
eager to gain their good opinion. But, making allow-
ance for this spirit, which does not present itself upon
this year for the first time, but which has shown itself
session after session since that great event in a similar
manner, what is there singular or extraordinary in this
session? My Noble and Learned Friend talks about the
withdrawal and abandonment of Bills. Why, that has
been the case every session at least within our memory,
He relies upon the Health of Towns Bills. He seems to
forget that that very sanatory measure, which he speaks
of as if brought forward this session for the first time,
and to which he says public attention was attracted in
order that it might be sacrificed, has undergone that
same operation before —(Hear)—has been presented and
withdrawn—withdrawn, too, without one word of cen-
sure or remark from my Noble and Learned Friend.—
(Hear, hear.) He talks about the ghosts of Biils, and
speaks of the shades of those departed measures with an
air of affected regret. He says that they are inanimate.
Let me tell my Noble Friend that if there is justice at
the bottom of these measures, if they are essentially use-
ful and just, I entirely disagree with him, for I do not
believe that it is in the nature of the institutions of this
country—that it is in accordance with our former history
or with public spirit, that such measures should fall and
be heard of no more. No, my Lords, if they tend to
promote the interest of the community, if they were
founded upon truth, they will not perish—their seeds
will not fail to fructify, and the time will
come when Parliameat, in its wisdom, will adopt them'
and when the public mind having been enlightened by
discussion, they will come into more perfect and har-
monious operation than if hastily passed, and before their
nature and extent were sufficiently understood. My
Noble and Learned Friend seems to think a Governmeirt
ought to have nothing to do but to propose Bills, and
then have them passed at once; but he ought to know
well, as your Lordships must be well aware of; that there
never has been a Government, and never will bs, so
strong as at once to subdue public feeling, and in spite of
it to carry in one session any great a-id important mea-
sure which they might think it expedient to propose.

What is the history of the great measures which have
hewn "Thlion•?(1 by Parliament hut a 01--(1,1,1 t.fragalP
6, pun f :nig and WIC 0,:1111,11--, (-)„1
rcason against p.ejudice, of truth against ignorance
Such has been the history of the monopoly of the East
India Company, which was long supported by the greatest
men this country could boast of. Such is also the his-
tory of the Test Act, of the Relief Bill of 1829, and of
various other great and important measures. All have
been carried, but not until after long and protracted
tiseu-s;ons and tiela:,. not until the public mind was
ttkezted as to tlitir utility a:.d fitness. lam not
surpr!st-d, therefore, at the number elf these ehtts's, 83
my Noble and Learnt d Friend says ; for I know the 7
will be one day or another called into actual embodi-
ment. I now come to make a few observations upon
the actual legislation of this session, and I must here say
that my Noble Friend in his catalogue has omitted a
grefit deal of that which has been done, in order to shoe'
what has not. Many measures which, though not
exciting great discussion, nor provoking long speecheri
upon one side or the other, are yet of great intrinsic
importance, and may be calculated in a great degree to
promote the happiness of the Queen's subjects. In tbi° •
very session some such measures have been Passed:
Most valuable and useful changes have been wady
during the present session in the law of Scotland. There
have been three Bills—the Bill for the transference o'.
land, the Bill relating to the service of heirs, and the.
Bill relating to burgage tenure. All these Bills aPP,Ii,
to Scotland, and are unquestionably calculated to benefit
that portion of the empire. The Noble Marquis then welt
on to say that he entertained a confident belief
that the loans advanced to Ireland would be repaid T'
fact, they were in the course of being repaid. The.
Noble and Learned Lord accused them with having don
little during the session. Why they had proposed
carried a Bill for the importation of corn, a Bill relating
to the navigation-laws, a Bill respecting brewing from
sugar, and distilling from sugar. The Noble and Learn"—
Lord called these merely temporary Bills, but they well
brought forward for the purpose of meeting a great sou
pressing emergency, although they did partake of suel:
a character. But they had also pasted measures of great
permanent public importance: He should oppose (hi
motion.
Lord BROUGHAM replied, and stated that he did not
undervalue the temporary measures of the Government:.
He considered that the Government had been deficit pt
in permanent measures of great public importance.
The motion was then negatived without a division.
Several Bills were advanced a stage, and their MN,
ships adjourned shortly after Eight o'Clcck. •

ROUSE OF COMMONS, July 20.
The SZELKER took the Chair at Three o'clock.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS.
The Lords' amendments to the following Bills were
considered and agreed to:—
Birkenhead (Commissioners) Dock Acts Amendnierl
(Construction of New Docks and Alteration of
Culvert).
Birkenhead Commissioners Docks Acts Amendment 01.
to Construction of Sea Wall along Wallasey Pool?;e
Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midlands Junol,
Railway Deviations.
Royston and Hitchin Railway (Sale or Lease).
THIRD READINGS.
The following Bills were read a third time and pie!:
—Dean and Chapter of Westminster's Estate--Jes
Hospital Newcastle) Estate—Passingham's Estate.
to
Mr. REDHEAD YORKE presented a petition frq.,,.,
a person employed under Dr. Reid, praying for the P.
duction of certain documents relating to the ventilatz.
of the New Houses of Parliament. :
Mr. WAKLEY presented a petition from Bra--
praying for the repeal of the Septennial Act.
TRINIDAD.

In reply to a question from Mr. HUME, 4eol
Mr. HAWES stated that instructions had been,- be
out to Trinidad, directing that the island shook' 0, ,
partitioned out into districts, with the view of este.
Wishing municipal government, which might Vol
after become a foundation for the erection of a Gen
Legislative Assembly.
THE BIBLE IN MADRAS.

In reply to a question from Sir 00.
Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE intimated that the Home dye
vernment did not approve of the order issued bf
Governor of Madras, discountenancing the use nitjor.
Bible in a new class recently introduced into the t.
versity of Madras, the attendance on which was r
fectly voluntary.
On the motion of Mr. HUME, returns were ortlerej
to be laid before the House relating to the cultivationbet
cotton in India ; and also returns relating to the name
of resident and non-resident clergymen belonging W -
Church of England.
IMPORTATIONS FROM IRELAND. _,,re
On the motion of Mr. GROGAN, returns "'ills
ordered showing the quantities of Grain (specifying.o
different kinds), and of Flour or Meal imported /50
Ireland, from the Ist day of September, 1846, to the,4o
day of July, 1847, showing the number and deseriP,',o
of live stock, the quantities of cured provisions °lire.
kinds, of butter, poultry, and eggs imported int°oo.
land during the same period; and showing the tio
tities of cured provisions, of butter, poultry, end
exported from Ireland during the same period.
THE DOCKYARD CORPS.

In reply to a question trom Mr, HINDLEY, dolt'
Mr. WARD stated that the entries into the
yard corps were purely voluntary.
_ COLLIERY EXPLOSION AT WIGAN•

In reply to a question from Mr. HINDLEY, f tbe
Sir G. GREY stated that the reason no officer o
eel
Government was in attendance at the coroner's 111g°4
on the sufferers from the late lamentable colliery esjero
sion at Wigan, was because it took place before wb.o„
was time to instruct an officer to attend. An WV '1 f
however, had been instituted into the matter by a .to
of local magistrates, and those magistrates had coni',.e
the conclusion that the explosion was the result of cw-
lessness on the part of the workmen.
EDUCATION IN THE ARMY. 11/1
Sir R. H. INGLIS said he wished to ask the o%
Hon. Gentleman the Secretary-at-War a question refs A
to the schools and places of worship in the arini•-nre
report had reached him that it was intended to TO
priate a room in every barracks for the instruction.oo
children of soldiers belonging to the three denonli,l?,torobt
of religion recognised in the army, namely, the L„;10
of England, the Church of Scotland, and the Cbu';.coes
Rome ; and that it was further intended to use such te
as a place of worship on the Sabbath. lie wisbether
ask whether such report was true ; end if 800140,
the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary-at-Warr"' '
col
objection to lay the order issued by the Horse;
en the subject before the House ? . oefe
Mr. FOX MAULE said the Horse would be -40
that his Right Hon. Friend who pre.;eded him inoo il/
turned his attention to the improveme at of edues'-idiev
the army, not only of the children, but of the sep le
too ; and since he (Mr. Fox Maule) had beelioe°
office he had endeavoured to carry out theose 0
of his H'onourable Friend. For that Pe,113,
room had been . set apart in all the Pild bet
throughout the country, and schoolmasters be 0 i/e,
provided for the education of the army, but it, woo the
intended to use such rooms as places of worsblP
Sabbath.—(Hear, hear.)
COAST FISHERIES. AJI
Captain PECHELL asked the Secretary for the ro'
miralty if it was intended to increase the °Poe el;
cruisers on the coast of Sussex, so as to preven,",,,efr
gressions of the French fishermen upon the rignw
English in that neighbourhood. ttee 10
. Ir
Mr. WARD said the subject had excited the 141. A 00
of the Government. Differences were found " side
though faults were, on inquiry, discovered on both from
In order, however, to prevent those differene_ clecet
becoming serious, some intervention would oh' '
so as to secure the rights of all parties. , AijlAfr
THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER, AND A..—
..0
COMPANIES. u. vior
Mr. HUDSON gave notice, that to-morrow "" at'
l
ask whether the Government had given theirs ilo
et
..
to the course taken by the Chancellor of the pu-,1010
Lanca'er of asking from railway companies vwialUt
price he chose for land required by them belom*,,,, 07
the duchy, and of permitting them to take Ow
quantities as he might determine.
ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSIONER 1.--,;ro ,ID
Mr. HORSMAN wished to put a question rei_e'"aefr
the powers vested in the Ecclesiastical Como:11%01e;
It had been rumoured that the Ecclesiasticaltvory iethe
sioners were about to take the tithes of a re,ices of_kop
certain diocese, and add them to the roreerbe Dino
bishopric, the reason for so doing being that ' otioe is
was also the rector of the parish. The (itime Olaf
wished to put was, whether, if such a sob e-eod ti 1
contemplation, the Government would reconloac 0
it should receive the sanction of the Queen ieneatleel.el
Sir G. GREY, in consequence of the Hon' ""003501410
having communicated to him the alleged Clot, do
of this case, had made inquiry into the I°ol iii the
rectory (the name of which we did not hear) whicllho.
Bishopric of Peterborough. It was a case WA:A WP„„el
• AiC. e,
Ecclesiastical Commissioners had no jurisnfig en; bee
ever ; and he might state, as to the living yin
to the bishopric, that no proposition of t"'„ers•
been laid before the Ecclesiastical Commissl°,4-0. the
ABUSES OF THE POST-OFFIL'
of
rbort
Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE then rose to brieegof s°, of
consideration of the House the petition he offin,le
Grapes, complaining of his dismissal front toceerfor
letter-carrier in the Post-office. The„ isse? tiOo
Gentleman said Grapes was not n's,rbaaes oer
incompetency, because it was admitted on, al in tbeaL,ol
Grapes was one of the most efficient carrier be 0-0 ill
vice. The true reason of his dismissal Wel "O. abuses of
to his having been instrumental in correcting I)...reir
the Post-office, and exposing fraud on
sae
DI tbe
Messrs. Kelly in reference to the
tory." A preliminary inquiry had been reB coei fit
res 110- f
case of Mr. Grapes, both by Mr.
‘, post•emcie into
the
A the Ile of
solicitor to the Post-office, am., le coo- To
master-General, but throughout the wife bora; 004
those inquiries Grapes was not allowed to he nee° ole
show that Grapes was an injured n 31109 ,bat he 1 the
mention that Kelly had been heard to BO' ;le bar 0 4 0
give a 1,000/. if he could place Grapes at t ,t it Iv' 09
Old Bailey, and he (Mr. Duncombe) thougli'd sfioWtot
disgrace to the Government that theysabd°: theerappe:
servants of the public to be n 3
of, and insulted by, Kelly in this vialicr g! that
had been connected with the Post-office „le 0 jot
riod of seven years, and during the IriniNcoeu 01
time no charge or pretence Dane a charge '
°flowed fb#l
had been made against him,
ffice wit° to•
parties connected with thcPositt-owffilicsea that 119
the
invariably discharged the duties of his otherefcre,eoo,
utmost attention and efficiency. It was, siu. ttod Oct
bad that, because he bad acted fear.lee J.O pod. 0
duties to t 6_ ,
scientiously in the discharge of his , id, ", to
should move that an humble address be p.d to 1
he should be dismissed from the office he 110cote;si..
hf-r Majesty, praying her Majesty to be pear, heepPoet•
lute an inqu'ry into the whole asatter.--Li'l aid for
Mr. PARKER vindicated the conduct o.ieluber
office authorities, and prayed the 110 i'''
Finsbury not to prose his motion for inquiry

PASSENGER ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
On the report of the Committee
,appoiotel to confer
l
With the Lords on the subject of amendment on this Bill
bring
Ma rd GEORGE BENTINCK complained that her
jesy's Government had been guilty of brea th of Treii
i.
tat, in allowing the amendients which he introduced
to the Bill to be struck out by the Lords.
Mr. HAWES denied that the Government had corn
saitted any breach of compact whatever, because
there was no compact made with reference to
the clauses that had been struck out. The compact re-
kted to the clause providing for surveys, and in reference
to that clause the compact had been most religiously
kept. But how was it the Noble Lord did not object to
the Lords' amendments before ? They were printed
;71 exten. with the votes, and in answer to a ques-
tion from the Right Honourable Gentleman the
Member for the University of Cambridge, he (Mr.
Rawes) stated that these amendments entirely annulled
the clauses introduced by the Noble Lord. The Noble
Lord, however, did not appear at the proper time to
resist these amendments and it must be evident to the
}louse that the Noble L'ord could not do so now.
After a few words from Mr. BROWNE,
Mr. HUDSON :said he was surprised to hear what
bad fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman, who said
ljthere had been no breach of compact in this instance.
e contended that there had been a breach of faith.
The Government agreed to the introduction of the
clauses of his Noble Friend, and it was inconsistent with
the reputation which the Right Hon. Gentleman the
Chancellor of the Exchequer possessed for honour and
straightforwardness in matters of this nature to have
allowed the clauses to be struck out.—(Hear.)
Sir R. H. INGLIS said he perfectly recollected
that at the time his Noble Friend proposed the introduc-
tion
of these clauses he was prepared to carry
them
eat by a majority; and to obviate the possibility of
a def, the
Exchequer consented to the introduction
of the clauses. So far then there was a compact entered
Into, but he could not consent to the proposition that it
had been broken through because the Lords had de-
clined to adopt it
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
only clause he 'pledged himself to was the one proposed
DY the Noble Lord, providing that in all cases a survey
mould take place to ascertain the seaworthiness of
vessels proposing to carry out emigrants.
Lard GEORGE BENTINCK said his Right Hon.
..i'rieud was perfectly correct in what he stated; but he
begged to remind his Right Hon. Friend that on a later
occasion both himself and the Hon. Gentleman the
Under-Secretary for the Colonies agreed to the intro-
duction of the other clauserelating to the manning of
emigrant ships, and he had therefore a perfect right to
complain of a breach of compact on the part of the Go-
vernment—gt ear, hear.)
Mr.
lIAIVES readily admitted that he consented
t o the introduction of the second clause, but never
intended, nor did he, in fact, ledge himself to insist
uPzl.tisiaEdNoprt,ioa by.the Lords.P
stand that anr-larrrsaid he, for one, certainly did under-
Nobleg exit was come to between the
Lord and the Government to render it unneces-
sary for their going division on either of the clauses,
to a
lind to that extent there was undoubtedly a compact
catered into.—(Hear, hear.)
The amendments were then agreed to.
POOR. LAW ADMINISTRATION BILL.
,
conference was held with the LJrds relating to the
amendments their Lordships had introduced into the
Poor law Administration Bill. On the return of the
Managers on the part of the Commons,
fahSir G. GREY informed the House that the managers
e part of the Commons had left a copy of the
ns Why the Commons objected to the amendments
the managers on the part of the Lords.
POST-OFFICE ABUSES.
4--uncoal
PROTHEROE then resumed the debate on Mr.
e's representmotion. He regretted that there was no
these
eh represents of the Post-office in that House to meet
Sense of justice of "use. He had full confidence in the
but justice entertained by the Post office authorities,
nevertheless he thought they would have acted with
.
more decorum h
Missed the ad they simply suspended, and not dis-
pAssran Grapes from his office of letter-carrier.
NGER ACT
Another confer AMENDMENT BILL.
held •
Subject of this ce waswith the Lords on the
the 's -13111- On the return of the Managers on
mPr, llarlof the Commons,
Mona had ZiEtS reported that r
ob e of the' Com-
a copy of the objections to the Lords'
amendments with the managers of the Lords.
POST-OFFICE ABUSES.
dtltir•eFlUME then resumed this debate. He said if the
authrgoritipreferred by Grapes against the Post-office
_ ea were correct he ought to be rewarded, and not
punished for the part' he had taken in defending the
Interests of the public. On a former occasion he
brought
ease isof under the consideration of the House the
POsed the Man will) had been dismissed for having ex-
, did _ e plundering System of his superiors, and it
1/01148ppear to him to be extremely dangerous for that
for d e to allow men to be quietly punished in this way
After uig a great public service.
the motion
a few observations from several Hon. Members,
Afterotion was withdrawn.
a few words from
nu tCY
DE LA EVAN
Mr. MO
one wh. PPATT said the Sir case of the man GrapesS, was
important
yhad Peculiar claims. He had exposedimportan the
t of public servants engaged in conducting an
had
teverpublic establishment, and as Grapes had
11
a fair trial, he should certainly support the
:or inquiry. Until recently, his constituents
.been in the habit of going to the post-office to
"t4relve their letters, but latterly they had been compelled
legs, a guinea a year to the postmaster for this
, or a delay of upwards of an hour and a half took
in the delivery of the letters.—(Hear, hear.). _ 11,1'2 e CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
had faster-General had had before him this case, and
fUlly investigated it, and he, for one, could not seee
What furth • • • er inquiry into the matter was necessary. H
moat,
-Itherefore, request his Hon. Friend not to press
41notiou for inquiry.
DUNOWIIRE replied. He denied that any
Grapes ha been instituted into this case, nor had
grounds up to this moment, been furnished with the
of against his dismissal. If there were any charges
I,Gare rumr pas , he would undertake to prove that they
_:
tit ---Peu 'V, and totally without foundation. Until
disni -- had been usual to post up the orders for the
whasal of any servant of the Post-office, but no notice
again tever had been posted of Grapes's dismissal ; and
he repeated, that this man had been dismissed to
w'h'ionfyi.Y.the malice and vindictive feelings of Mr. Kelly,
ellen "
none of the greatest tyrants that had ever been
ecl e public service.—(Hear, hear.)
The motion was then withdrawn.
Mr, Arts, then STATE Oto callF SlNthe attention of the
DE.
MkMuse to the state of the province of Sinde, and to
l,c what its future Government was to be ; whether,
under
uter fothe Same Government
Pas the
other territories
Llecler the East India Company ; or whether it was to
Ye°rue a Queen's colony, or to remain under a Military
..overnment ? At present, he said, the state of Sinde
Pence
Was most UnsatisfaCtor ' It was a source of great ex-
to the country' owing to the great military force
rthat had to be maintained there, while, if a more liberal
id enlightened policy were pursued in Sinde,
Vitinmight be rendered a most important
et to our Indian Empire. It ought
be delivered up to the natives who were entitled to it,
and he wanted to know if her Majesty's Government
Were prepared to take that course, in order that Sinde
Inlgiht be placed under the control of a civil Government.
qua
°ir J. C. HOBHOUSE said the House was ac-
e d with the way in which Sinde had been attached
India. It was perfectly true that the Government
essentially military, and its affairs had hitherto
dbeen administered by military men. There could be no
oubt, however, that the Governor of Sinde had faith-
y and efficiently performed his duties. The system
of Government might be bad, but there could be no
doubt that great erelit was due to General Napier for
the skilful manmr ix which he had mitigated some of
the evils of that system.—(Hear, hear.) He was quite
ready to admit that the maintenance of that military go-
vernment was of great expense to this country, but it
was quite impossible to have avoided that expense. The
inhabitants were a turbulent people, and it had been found
necessary to maintain this great force to keep them in
check. For the last three years, however, the
P had been most peaceable (Hear)—and
duringeople
that period General Napier had done
Much for the improvement of Sinde by the construction
of canals, roads, &c. Still he must assure the Hon.
Gentleman the Member for Montrose, that both in the
°Pinion of the Indian Government and of her Majesty's
Government, it was not advisable-that this mode of go-
vernment at present adopted in Sinde should last, but
the time had not yet arrived when the change could be
mb.ade- With respect to the opinion expressed by the
".1011. Gentleman, of the expediency of restoring Sinde,
he must confess that he did not agree with him in that
respect. Many great public writers entertained the same
view as his Hen. Friend, and still he could not help
doubting whether, if such an arrangement as that sug-
gested by the lion. Gentleman were carried out, it would
he at all serviceable to, or consistent with, the peace and
Prosperity of our Indian empire.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir R. H. INGLIS said there could be no question
Whatever that the native princes of Sinde had been of
great service to this country, in protecting her Indian
tqqpire from outrage and attack, and if it were only ou
that
th consideration alone, they ought to look forward to
e improvement and restoration of the country to the
natives, who were its rightful possessors.—(Bear, hear.)
After a few words from Mr. HUME the subject
dropped.

FAMINE IN .
BROTHERTON thenIRELAND moved an Address to her
.Tajesty, that she will be graciously pleased to direct
that there be laid before this House a copy of the letter
i°ll3. the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to her
ledilta,anie Majesty's Minister at Washington, acknow-
i—glag the donation in food and money of the Legis-
,t,iture and citizens of the United States of America for
the relief of the famine in Ireland. Great credit, he
jauo WnLght, was due to America for the generous manner
Which she had come forward vuluntarily to assist in
Nr,leviag the recent distress and sufferings of Ireland.
the distress than meetings were held in every part of the
b„unitrY to commiserate the sufferings of the Irish
;;;°,13,,e, and mostmunificent sums were voluntarily sub-
-;,-l'ioed for their relief. Now he conceived that they
euld do no less than give expression to those grateful
_eelinga which were felt both in this country and in Ire-
tired towards America, for the liberal manner in which
in had come forward to assist in alleviating the suffer-
Mr f the Irish people.
so he seconded the motion, and in doing
c
tion" ould not do otherwise than express his adm.
towards
for the sympathies the Americans had evinced
the ards Ireland. and the zeal and liberality with which
then had responded to the call made upon them to lend
ruitigating the distress of Ireland.

Lord PALMERSTON had great pleasure in support-
ing the motion of his Hon. Friend, for not only ere
the supplies from America large and liberal in -.mount,
but the manner in which they were forwarded wa most
generous. Such acts as these he could not help thin king
were highly calculated to c!nnent the friendship ,;hich
subsisted between the two nati.,ns, and he trusted it
would be a long time indeed before the prevailing good
feeling would be interrupted.
Lord MORPETH must also hear his testimony to
the liberality and generosity which America had dis-
played towards Ireland during her time of tribulation,
and he was not sorry that before the close of the session
effect was given to the gratitude of this nation within
the walls of that House.—(Hear, hear.)
The motion was then agreed to.
CASE OF LIEUTENANT-COLONEL ;MUNN.
Mr. STUART WORTLEY moved for copies of all
memorials or petitions presented by the late Lieutenant-
Colonel Munn, formerly of the 14th and afterwards of
the 27th Regiment of Native Infantry in India, or by
Mrs. Harriet Munn, his widow, to the Board of Direct-
ors of the East India Company, or the President of, the
Board of Control,- complaining of deprival of his just
promotion in the Indian army, and the loss of the pay
attached to his rightful rank, and the answers thereto, as
well as of any order or orders issued by the Commander
in Chief or the Governor-General of India, in the
month of May, 1824, for the division of the said 14th
Regiment, and the regulation of the promotion to take
place in such division.
Sir J. C. lIOBHOUSE said whatever injury had
been inflicted upon Lieutenant-Colonel Munn arose from
a general arrangement in the service; but still he had no
objection to agree to the return.
The motion was then agreed to.
BRANDING DESERTERS. _ _ _

Mr. HUME moved for a return of the number of sol.
diers of her Majesty's land forces, cavalry and infantry,
that have been marked as deserters, stating the number
in each regiment, in each of the three last years. Also,
a copy of any general orders by the Commander of the
Forces respecting branding, and now in force. Similar
return for the marine forces (if any). Similar return for
the navy (if aRy). He thought it was a disgrace to the
country that men should be marked like beasts, and the
sooner the practice was put an end to the better.
Mr. FOX MAULE had no objection to the return.
The branding complained of conld only be done with the
sanction of a court martial. The branding was but sel-
doin resorted to, and when it was, it inflicted no physical
pain upon the deserter, for the process was simply tat-
toeing him on the arm with the letter D.
The motion was then agreed to.
THE RAJA OF SATTARA.

Mr. HUME moved for copies of all correspondence
during 1838 and 1839, between the Government of
Bombay and Captain Cogan, r€lative to the affairs of
the Raja. of Sattara, together with copies of any com-
munications, minutes, or opinions of the Government of
Bombay, relating thereto. Of a letter from Captain
Cogan to Sir John Hobhouse, dated January, 1840,
with copies of the papers accompanying the said letter;
also, copy of the reply to the said letter. Of a letter
from Captain Cogan to William Cabell, Esq., Secretary
to the Board of Commissioners for the Affairs of India,
dated the 4th day of February, 1840, together with
the reply thereto. Of a letter from Lord Palmer-
ston to Captain Cogan, dated the 28th day of
September 1808. Of a letter from Captain Cogan to
Lord palmerston, dated , together with an accom-
panying copy of a communication from the Imaun of
Muscat, empowering Captain Cogan to act as the politi-
cal agent of his Highness in England. Of Lord Pal-
merston's reply thereto. Of a letter from Captain Cogan
to John Baciihouse, Esq., Under Secretary of State in
the Foreign Department, dated the 15th day of January,
1840. And, of a letter from Lord Palmerston to Captain
Cogan, dated the 28th day of March, 1840.
Sir J. C. HOBLIOUSE had no objection whatever to
give his Hon. Friend the papers, but he must, at the
same time add, that he was quite unconscious of any
injury ever having been done to Captain Cogan.

'Alter a few words from Mr. WAKLEY and Lord PAL-
MERSTON,

The motion was agreed to.
SURVEY OF INDIA.

On the motion of Mr. HUME, full and detailed re-
ports were ordered of the extent and nature of the ope-
rations and of the expenditure connected with the grand
trigonometrical survey of India, and of the grand trian-
gulation thereof, for the measurements of the arcs of the
meridian, from the year the first base was measured to
the latest date. Also, reports of the surveys, whether
general, revenue, or military, which have hitherto been
carried on, completed, or are in progress, specifying
the divisions or portions of India ; also, the num-
ber and what sheets of the grand Atlas have been
completed, and engraved, with the cost thereof to the
Government, and the selling price per sheet to the pub-
lic, and what progress the remaining portions of the
Atlas are in ; of the nature of the information collected
in connexion with the grand survey, and with the de-
tailed surveys of India, and a list of all the memoirs, and
their contents, sent in ; and, statements to illustrate the
nature of the different great divisions and the smaller
districts or departments thereof, into which India within
the line of the lacks is divided, for political, civil, re-
venue, judicial, and military purposes, exhibiting the
areas, population, and nature of productions thereof ;
and showing the relation and the authority under which
they stand to the East India Company, whether im-
mediately subordinate to and under the direct rule, or
are tributary, protected, subsidiary, or independent.