The Sun.
London, England, 1812-01-10 00:00:00

DEBTORS IN THE ISLE OF MAN.

Mr. HORNER presented a Petition (rot-1i the Deb-
tors confined in Casle Etusben, in the Isle of Man,
praying for a I articipat ion in the advantages of the
Engli4b Insolvent DebtOrs' Act. ' - -
Ordered to lie on able.
FINANCES (IF IRELAND.

Sir Jon:g N.awf.Jier rose in compliance with his
notice, to-move- for the, appointment of the Corn-
: mittee on Irish Finance. Recommended as this
subject was to the consideration of Parliament in
the speech from the Throne ; he should not have
thought it necessary to trouble the, House with
- many words on the subject, were it not that it ap-•
peered to him that he was .called to say whyle,
a private individual, took upon himself a -task which
see±ed mote naturally to devolve on a rneruher of
Administration. In crder to •do this,. the-House,
would have the goodneas to call to their recolleelien
the proceedings of the last Session. In the Speech
from the Throne, the commencement of that Session,
notice was taken of the great defalcaticn in the re-.
venue of Ireland. He had himself during 4everal.
preceding Sessions fruitlessly . endeavoured to call
the attention of Parliament to what he conceived to.
be a gross mismanagement of that revenue.. The,
evil proceeded until at-length the defalcation hec:rme
,S 0 considerable, )hat, as he hard just observed, Ca-vernment'deerated it necessary that it should be men-.
tioned in th 9 Speech from the Throne; But although
thus noticed in the Speech from the Throne, Minis-
ters abstained from introducing the subject in
the House until the latter end of March, when
he (Sir John Newport) conceiving that no fur-
ther delay ought to be allowed, proposed cer-
tain Resolutions respetting it. It appearing,
however, to be the general opinion, that these Re-
solutions were premature, and that they ought to
hive been forwarded on the Report of a Committee,
he, in compliance with the sense of the House, post-
poned his Resolutions, and moved for the appoint-
ment of a Comrilittee to examine into the state of the
Finances of Ireland, and to report their opinion
thereon. This motion of his was negatived by a
large majority, in which tuajori:y- were comprised
the Chancellor of the Exchequer for England, and
the Chancellor of the Exchequer for Ireland. Yet
only six days afterwards the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer for Ireland came forward, and proposed the
appointment of precisely the same Committee,
which proposition was immediately acceded to..—
The Committee proceeded in their researches, 'and
in the speech at.the close of the Session, credit was
taken for the measure. In the Speech at the corn-
mencement of the present Session, the re-appoint-
ment oldie Committee was 'recommended. Under
these circunistances, he put it, to the justice of the
House, whether, as the original proposer of such a
Committee, he was not now entitled, in preference
to the Hon. Centletnan opposite,. to move .for its re-
appointment. He would only add, that in the Report
of the Conitnitiee about to be formed he trusted that
the error in the Report of the Committee of the lasi
Session would not be,repeated. If that had b..en
done in an4rish Parlianient which last Session- had
been done to a ,British Pailiament; it would hdve
been called a blunder; for although the Report was
presented on the 14th of-June, and purported to be
printed on that day, it contained evidence described
as-having been taken on the Ist of July. It was
most, extraordinary that after a Report had been
presented,.. and ordered to he printed, that there
should be subsequent and, partial meetings of a Com-
mittee (many Members of it having-left the coup-
try) for the purpose of making it Up at their discre-
lion. He trusted that such a circumstance would
not recur, and concluded by moving, " That" the
.several accounts presented last Session be referred to
a Select Committee, instructed to inquire into the,
increase and redemption of-the funded debt'o'f
land, the total revenue, &c. fur the last 21 years, end-
ing Jan. 5, 1 8 12. •

The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER asscred the
Hon. Baronet, that if he thought it material to his
fame that he should have the honour of moving the
appointment of this Committee (although hecould
by no means pay the Hon. Baronet such a bad com-
pliment as to suppo.e that his political reputation
stood in need of such assistance), he, for one, would
be very gl td to affofd him the opportunity of estab-
lishing his character. As to what passed last Ses-
sion on the subject, he certainly could not presume
to recollect it so distincty as the Hon. Baronet; but
as far as he did recollect, the facts were, that the
Hon. Baronet proposed distinct Resolutions respect-
ing the revenue of Ireland that it appeared to the

House, that it would be better to precede these Re-
solutio •s by an inquiry; that in the debate on that
subject, he (the Chancellor ofahe'Exchequet) gave
no!ice of his intention to move for the appointment
of a Committee for that purpose, as soon as the Hon.
Baronet's Resolutions,should be disposed of ; that
nevertheless the:Hon. Baronet made a direct, attack
upon (die' Chancellor of the Exchequer's) fame
by t iking the business out of his hands, and by him-
sLlf inovin lor the al-Ton:talent of the Committee.;
tit it the Hon.-.. Baronet's motion was negatived, be-
cai:se it had been made -without notice ; and lastly
t bat an Hon Friend of his had again brought forward
the motion on due notice, when it was agreed
:He repeated; however, that he- had no objection
whatever to the proposition now made by the Hon.
Baronet, apprehending it was not likely that there
wo,ild be any difference between them, with respect
to the appointment Of the Committ: e, as he did
not understand that there Was any objection to the,
members composing the last ; although it might be
necessary to make an alteration of two, with respect
to any Hon. Gentleman who might not naiv be its
Parliament. With respect to what thelion..Baronei.
had said on the subject of some of the evidence in
the Report of the last Session, hearing 4 date- later
than the period at which the Report professed to be
printed; an Hon. Friend of his, who was not -pre-
sent, was more cOmpetent,to speak on that subj,e-t
than himself; but even he recollected that there-
was a 'sort of discretion i:iven to the Chairman of
the Committee to correct such errors as might be
obvious and important, and, be was persuaded. that
the members of the Committee, who weredescribed
by the Hon.' Bart. as having left the country, aid not
leave it under the linpressiop that the Report was
fully and finelly agreed upon.
The motiott'tor the apppointme't of a Committee
was then agreed to, and after some convet§ation be-
tween the ChancellOr of the Exchequer and Sir S.
Newport, the memberS of the last Committee were
ra-appointed,, with the exception of Mr. Morris
Fitzgerald, /or whom- Mr. Hutchinsota, was substi-
tuted.