The Sun.
London, England, 1841-09-21 00:00:00

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A change having taken place in the Administration of the
country, it appeared to him that they were buuud to
submit patiently to what was proposed. If, after a fair
trial had been given to the Government, these cur-
tailments were not •inede, which the people h d a right
to expect, it would be for them then to state their
disapprobation. That linuw, as it Was then constituted,
was the offspring of the Noble Lord (Lord John Russell's)
will, who although solicited again and agai I had said
no further reform was needed, and how could he com-
plain of the result ? There was one sum in the esti-
mates to which he could not help alluding, namely 1,000.
far the expenses of the Amaassador in proceeding to
Frankfurt. No one could contend that such a sum was
necessary. He did not complain of the manner in which
the foreign affairs in general lied been administered.
He believed that the policy of the Noble Lord (Palmer-
ston) had placed England in a prouder position than she
had ever occupied at any former period.—(Hear, hear.)
But he thought if the Noble Lord were to givei the
ve the
House the result of his experience lie would g
House a list of many expenses which might be reduced
in the foreign service. He trusted that the present Ad-
midistration would do all in their power to reduce the
expenditure of the country.
Mr. FIELDING said he was astonished at the lan-
guage of the Hon. Member.—(Hear, hear.) His con-
stituents told him that they could not continue in their
present distress until February next. They laboured
under distress and poverty too great to be endured; yet
no assurances were given of relief. His Hon. Friend
be was sure could not be aware of the state of Lan-
cashire. The best workmen in the manufacturing
districts were leaving England to seek employment
.abroad.—(Hear, hear.) What he required was, that
the sufferings of the people should be considered.
Mr. WAKLEY said he was quite ready to agree in
any remedy proposed to remove the distresses of the
people, but why was not that remedy proposed ? Why
did not the Hon. Gentleman propose such a remedy him-
self if he knew what those sufferings were, and if he was
not prepared with such remedy he ought to apply to
others.
After a few words from Mr. FIELDEN,
Mr. EIVAILT observed that the remedy of the Hon.
Member for Finsbury appeared to consist in the word
" patience," but in his (Mr. Ewart's) opinion, if the
country were to adopt that remedy the Hon. Gentleman
would soon hold an inquest on the patient.—(Laughter.)
He stated that the Right Hon. Gentleman at the head of
the Administration would not find his bed one of roses,
but he (Mr. Ewart) thought that the Hon. Gentleman
would not make it one of thorns.—(Hear, hear, and
laughter.) He must say, that while he was ready to
make fair allowance for the Right Hon. Baronet, he
thought the time was come when he should be ready
with a remedy.—(Hear, hear.) The distress of the
country would not permit them to wait much longer,
notwithstanding the eloquent homily and the " patience"
of the Hon. Member fur Finsbury. He rejoiced that
the several parks were thrown' open to the public, and
that the public were availing themselves of the advan-
tage. He trusted that Richmond Park would be thrown
open to all persons, and he saw no reason for its being
enclosed. With respect to the others, he thought it
would be highly advantageous they should be also made
available for the public accommodation.
After a few words from Mr. TUFNELL,
Mr. WAKLEY said he would adopt the suggestions
of the Hon. Gentleman, and give the best advice he
could to the Member for I!amworth.—(Ministerial
cheers.) But he did not think that Right Hon. Gentle-
man should be pressed to propose measures without
being allowed time to consider them.—(Hear, hear.) He
did not understand the Right Hon. Gentleman required
five months, but he understood that all he required was
time, and he considered that was but a fair demand on
the part of the Right Hon. Gentleman.—(Hear, hear,)
But if those remedies were necessary, why should they
wait for the Executive to propose them ? He thought it
highly inexpedient to leave the introduction of those
measures entirely to the Executive. But, at all events,
they had no right to cast reproaches on those Gentlemen
who gave time to the Executive, when they were not
themselves prepared with any remedy. That was only
shifting the blame off their own shoulders. He would
like to ask what would be the consequence now, if the
proposition of the late Government was the law ? Why,
they would be paying at this moment a duty of Bs. in-
stead of is.—(Ministerial cheers.) It was not fair of
the Hon. Member for Oldham to arraign others because
they differed from him in opinion.—(Hear, hear.) If
that Honourable Gentleman was prepared with a
a measure, well and good ; but if not, he saw no reason
why they should refuse time to the Member for Tams
worth. It was, in his situation, but a reasonable re-
quest, and he (Mr. Wakley) thought it would be un-
just to refuse it.—(Cheers.) That injustice was nothing
to him, but it was a great deal to the people.—(Hear,
hear.) They required the Right Hon. Baronet. to come
down with crude and undigested propositions ; but he
(Mr. Wakley) would not lend himself to any factious
opposition, nor participate in it.—(Ministerial cheers.)
Mr. 'WILLIAMS could not refrain from expressing
his surprise at the altered opinions of the Hon. Gentle-
M2l/I.—(Hear, hear.) There had been a time when he
and the Hon.. Gentleman agreed on most points, and he
trusted they were not going to disagree now. He had
offered himself as a great State doctor, but he was sur-
prised at his doctrines. The Hon. Gentleman appeared
to be satisfied with, and was going to join, those who had
been abusing the real remedy.—(Hear.)
Sir R. INGLIS did not wish to obtrude himself upon
the very pretty quarrel between the Hon. Gentleman
who seemed dying on the other side, and the other Hon.
Gentleman who still survived upon his--(Laughter)—
but he rose in reference to what had fallen from the
Hon. Member for Dumfries. That Hon. Member seemed
to him to take an erroneous view of the subject relating
to the Royal Parks. He appeared to forget that as long
as the Crown possessed its hereditary revenues it never
came to Parliament to defray the expense of maintaining
them, and he thought that it should be as little expected
that the Crown Parks ought to ba opened to the public
as those which belonged to private persons. He would
ask the Member for Coventry, who seemed to have as-
sumed the place of the late Member for Kilkenny, whes
ther, as long as the Crown remained ire possession of its
own revenues, the care of its parks devolved upon the
Parliament ? and if they now refused the care of those
Parks and Palaces it would be a violation of the compact
with the Crown.
After a few words from Mr. EWART the vote was
agreed to,
5,0001. was voted for defraying- the expenses of the
works connected with Kingston harbour.
2.68C1. 10s. was voted for the repairs of the Holyhead
road and harbour, and the Liverpool roads.
•On the vote of 21,000/. being put for defraying the
expenses of the building connected with the British
Museum.
Mr. HAWES said he regretted that that magnificent
poi'aton of the British Museum containing the library
was still closed to the public. He had heard it stated
that the reason of its being closed was to enable the
librarian to catalogue the hooks ; but if he was rightly
informed, it would be kept clokal After the cataloguing
had been completed, because it was comsidered that per-
sons passing through would cause such a dust as would
injure the books, For his own part he did not think
that such would be the ease, and lie hoped the Trustees,
two of whom he then saw in the House, would take the
subject into their consideration of opening the library to
.the public,
Dr. BOWRING wished to know when the cata!oeue
would he completed, and whether it would be printed ?
Sir R. laElsL stated that it would be completed as
aeon e possible. lie thought it right that the public
should have Access to all the works in the British
Museum, but he did 'not see the necessity of persons
being permitted to pees through the rooms. '
Dr. BOWRING obervoi, that all the libraries abroad
were open to the public.
sir It. INGLIS agreed with the Right Hon, Baronet,
at dui head of her Majesty's Government, that the
library ea tae British Museum ought not to be made
a passage room. With reference to what had fallen
from time lion. Member for Belton, he would venture to
ee.y, that that Hon. Member had never seen ten persons
at 40, time in the Vatican, or the Library Royale in
Paris,
After a few observations from Mr. STILIIIT
WOnT-
LEv, and Mr. Eivaula the vote was agreed to.
41811. 103. was voted to complete the suns necessary
to defray the present temporery accommodation for
ofilees for both Houses of Parliament.
0,01 was vatted to complete the sum necessary to
cacav sat the ISTO.f.S connected with the New Houses of
Parliament.
15,000/. was voted for the completion of the Model
Prison, after a few observations from, Mr, WILLIAMS.
3,50 C/. was voted to repair and complete prisons.
8441. 103. was voted to promote a museum for the
economical study of geology',
2,5001. was voted for ereetiaL; a ball for the General
Assembly of the Church of Scotia:al in Edinburgh.
On the st;le being put for the SUM of a 5,0001. fur com-
pleting the sure ;:secessary fur defraying the expenses and
.ti
eeeprovements of tilt Caledonian Canal,
' 1 , WILLIAMS objected to the vote on the ground
that it watt peat of the sum of tt3,0,0001, recommended
to be expended by A Committee, of which be was a
member. In that Committee. he had strongly objPntod
04 the expenditure of such a tutu ; another MenbeF
ceproitiC4,o the sum might be well applied, and the Chair,
man gave ilia pats4u,z vote in favour of the reeommende
ation. The ComaThatail iseel written to Dublin, Belfast,
Liverpool, Bristol, HO, _414 aaveral other ports, but
ease one of theta thought the pf94).94,4 improvement of
the theael would be of the slightest ads-weave to trade.
The only attewsers that were favourable to the peapaaie
tion were from titeaea Scotch ports.—(A laugh.) If
she steam-tugs were empleved, it must greatly
isiateeeee the annual eependituie, wed, it would be at
least five taaaes greater than the present Inceseat What
Ise wanted was, alzat the Government should send dowel
some engineers, and atasee persons, in whom they had
efeaidence, but not belongink e‘a Scotland—(A laugh).—
and the werip would never be underealeete. The Rig,ht
caeneeljese ratfhe Exchequer would Tim himself
importance to
Hon. the
300,000 L thoso useless works were gone
'AI with. If the cand! Waa t:
Scotland, let the Treasury give gtalthilid, and
let the ports and oonnties of that country aurMert it,
Sir R. PEEL doubted whether Scotland would want
the offered boon.—(Laughter.) Ife would have no he-
sitation in postponing the vote till next Session, and, in
the meantime" tie would assure the House that strict
and impartial inquiry should be instituted by persons not
were flesnd to be useless, he
locally interested, If it
would not hesitate to recommend that it should be aban-
doned.
G.
the benefit of Scot-
which had been taken in hand for
CLERK denied that the canal was a work
Scot-
land. It was broeght forward and pressed by the late
Lord Colchester, Mr. Hawkins Browne, and Mr. Smit ,
of Norwigh,
ought not one of them being natives of the coun-
try.. Such undertakings alway to s
enterprise of individuals.• Com be WI p the
panics could much easier
keep down the expense than the Government. He was
happy to be able to inform the Committee that within
these few days there had been a renewal of the proposi-