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would be prOp6;ed by ,his NOble Friend, would.
meet the approbation of the house ; he shetild
not oppose the third reading.
• Earl CAMDEN defanded .Ministers agahist the
charges of 'The Noble Lord . (Darnley), and.
thought, that if they. had the good fortune to
recommend themselves to the nation by popular
Measures; it was a proof of their ability, as well
as of their good intentions. , On the general me-
rits of 'the Bill, be wished to state, that,it Jiad his
entire approbation ; and the ground upon 'which
he sthod, was tl, at, where attempts at insubordi- ,
nation were made, they should be met early and
vigorously. As to the •allusions which /were
thrown out respecting the adoption -of strong
measures, he did not hesitate to take them to
himself ; but he Would say-,. that if those wer;
considered strong ineasures which, took place
while he had the honour to bear his Majesty's
cominailsSion in Ireland, they were at the same time
necessary measures. None of • the Noble LOrds
from that part of the United Kingdom were now
present ; if they were, he was confident they
would acknowledge, as they had upon former "oc-
casions, that, if the Govertiinent, of Ireland was
chargeable-With any thing, it was with being too
slow in resorting to wharthey noiv, were charged
with. With regard to a Noble Viscount, who be-
longed to another House (Lord CaStlereagh), to
whom frequent allUsions had been made, he could
state, that, ,at the period in question, he was not
in theGovetenment ; it
,was true, that he ivo:i an
active'Mag,istrate; and an able supporter of Go-
vernment; but he held no official situation. The
principal object for which he (Lord Camden)
had risen, was show that he was , not insen-
sible to such insinuations as were thrown out, and
to exonerate his Noble Friend and Relation from
any share in those proceedings which he was will-
ing to take solely upthi himself.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL expressed his perfec.
.agreement in. all that his Noble Friend (Earl Cam-
cleu) had said with regard to own conduct,
and td that .of the Noble Viscount. No Minds,
he was convinced, would be less capable of im-
posing measures of unnecessary hardship. Thb
Bill itself, he allowed, was one that required to
be justified try the Report on the table ; but he.
thought it 'impossible for any one, after the pe-
rusat of that Report, to say that it was not a mea-
sure of necessity and of humanity. He defended
the conducts.* Government from the charge of
negligence, and maintained that they took mea-
sures very early and very successfully in the case
of Nottingham. The Orders in Council, he con-
tended, did not produce the disturbances, for is
the town of Birmingham, .which was the place
most affected by the want of trade, there was no
disturbance ; and in the neighbourhood of Hud-
dersfield, where there was no connection with the
trade, the evil appeared in its greatest extent.
The real question was, whether the powers con-
tained in the Bill were necessary to produce quiet;
and this should be considered without reference to
Ministers. if the impression was, that Ministers
could not be depended on, they should be changed ;
but while it ;was deemed fit to retain them, they
should be entrusted with every power requisite to
secure the peace of the country.
The Earl. of DARNLEY explained.
The Bill was then read a third time.
Lord nomIND, • after some observations, in
which he replied to the different arguments ad-
vanced in faVour of the Bill as it stood; and re-
peated his former ohjectio2s, proposed three seve-
ral amendments. The first, for the insertion of,
the words " two Justices ;" the "second for the.
insertion of the words " reasonable grounds of
suspicion ;" and the third for the omission of the
word " might."
The two first amendments werenegatived with-
out a division, hut , a division took place' on the
third, in which the numbers were,

Foj the Aznentlinent
Against it l7
Majority —ll

•
Adjourned to to-morrow.