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by purer, more conscientious, and disinterested ni
the Hon. Member for Kent, who had brought fore _
motion.—( Hear, hear.) But he had no hesitation ash,elai st •
vote which he should himself give, and he was perfectly ready
to avow the grounds on which he should give it. He had been
in Parliament thirty years, and fur thirty years he had voted
for that grant, and he was not prepared without very strong
grounds to
say he acted wrong during the hole of that relied.
The grant had been established by a Parliament exclusiveie
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Proteetant. It had survived the Act of Union, when religious
aniinosities ran high, ai d it was continued during the govern-
ment of Mr. Perceval, who was of opinioe that the public
faith was involved in it. The sudden wiihdrawel of the grant
might lead to the idea that they were actuated by animosity
towards their Roman Catholic fellow subjects. At the same
time, however, he begged to state that be did not be-
t eve that 5u.,11 a pledge had ever been given to
the Rom n Catholics, that it could not be withdrawn
if perverted or abused.--(llear, hear.) The College of
Maynooth had been the subject of various inquii ics. He could
not agree to the statement which he understood the Noble Lord
the Secretary for Ireland had 'Lade, that the sesteni of iestree-
tion pursued at Maynooth was a matter of indifference. If
there were imperfections or abuses in the system of education
at Maynooth, inquiries ought to be instituted ; lea no else had
certainly in his mind been made out for withdrawing the vote,
and he felt bound, therefore, to oppose the motion, although he
could not censure those who made it.—( Hear, hear. )
Lo d MORPETH explained. What he had slated, or in-
tended to state, was, that he did not think himself bound to ex-
amine the contents of the books used for the education of pa-
pils destined for the Roman Catlinlis Church as long as he
knew they were books sanctioned and prescribed by the Roman
Catholic ecclesiastical authorities.—(Hear, hear.) So far
from saying inquiry ought not to be made into any abuse, he
distinctly stated that if there was any departure from the origi-
nal intention, a representation to that effect might to be made to
the Visitors, and by them to the Government.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. LITTON and Sir R. leetis also said a few words in ex-
planation.
Mr. DARBY could not support the motion.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL observed that the Roman Catho-
lics were perfectly indifferent whether the grant was continued
or withdrawn. f, however, it were withdrawn upon the prin-
ciple urged by the Hen. Baronet, the Member for the Univer-
sity of Oxford, that persons professing one religion ought nut
to contribute towards the support of another, act pritseifile
would be perfectly satisfactory to the Roman Catholice of Ira.
land, and they would apply it to the members of the Church of
England.—( Hear. )
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON could not give a silent vote.
There was nothing in the nature of a contract; but the Act of
1795 did recite that it was expedient there should be a College
at 31aynooth. Certain books had been used in that College of
a very injurious tendency; t 4 et was shown by the report ut the
Commissioner, to which allesion had been made. He would,
therefore, advise his Hon, Friend, the Member for Kent, to
withdraw his present motion, and submit a motion fur &A

inquiry to ascertain if the charges were well founded,
so as to enable the Executive Government to put the matter
into a train of correction if there were abuses.
Mr. LASCELLES concurred in all that had fallen frem
his Right Hon. Friend the Member for Tamworth, and would
urge the continuance of the grant. It ought to be the object
of the House to conciliate the Catholics of Ireland—( Hear,
hear)—and being of opinion they ought to administer to she
people of Ireland a system of education conformable to the
opinions of the majority, he should oppose the ihotion.
After a few words from Col. 5113THORP, recummeniiing
the withdrawal of the motion,

Mr. PLUMPTRE, seeing there was a difference of opinion
among those with whom he usually acted, was willing to with-
draw the motion. The House might feel assured, however,
that if he withdrew his motion the matter would rot be al-
lowed to rest.
Mr. HUME submitted the motion had been brought forward
in due form.—(A laugh.) It was a question with which the
House had been threatened for some time, and as the debate
had occupied so much time, a division upon it had better lake
place at once.—( dear, hear. )
Mr. BARRON was astonished that Hon. Gentlemtn oppio-
site should shrina from a division. Many of them l.ad gained
their seats by the cry they had 54 up against INlanJoth, and
now in a cowardly anst base manner they endeavotned to with-
draw.

The SPEAKER—The lion. Member has applied the
epithets "cowardly" and " b..,se" to certain Members of tits
lloese. In doing so he has lost respect for *le House, neat
I must request hint to retract the expression.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. BA R 110 N—I must say, Sir, that if you pronounce that
to be unparliamentary, I am of course bound Immediately to
withdraw it, and to adhere to your decision—( Hear, and laugh-
ter)—but I do not, and cannot conceive anything more
base —( Order, order! and laughter)—than for a body of men
on the hustings-1 am now supposing a case, Sir—( Great
laughter)—l cannot conceive anything more base than for a
body of men tto come before their constituents at Oxford, Kant,
and other places, and to bring forward every species of base ca-
lumny and falsehood—of invention the most detestable, the
most unfounded, and the most uncharitable, against a body: of
their fellow- Christians—( Hear, hear)—denouncing Maynoeth
as worse than a den of thieves—as the very acme of infamy and
of baseness —( Hear, hear)—and then, when the questicn cornea
to be debated, to shrink from a division in a cowardly.—
Mr. CHRISTOPHER—Sir, I rise to order. 1 appeal to
you, Sir, whether the insinuations of the Honourable Gen-
tleman lo not distinctly apply to certain Menthers on
this side of the House.—( Great laughter and cries of " Oh,
oh.") He first says that certain persons on the hustings have
made use of language, which certainly no gentleman would
make use of; and then he says their shrinking from a division
in this House, evidently alluding to the Members in this House
—and I ask you, Sir, whether that is Parliamentary?—( Hear,
hear, and laughter.)

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Mr. BARRON—I am exceedingly sorry to find the Han.
Gentleman attributes to his friends the case I was attempting
to put.—(Great laughter and cheering.) If he thinks it is ay..
plicable to them I shall say nothing more.—( Renewed cheering
and laughter.) The Hon. Gentleman concluded by saying he
was glad the Right lion. liarono, the Member for lamb orth had
had the manlaiess to come forward and disavow any connection
with the patty who had supported the motior. lo to a divi..
fion they must, for they could not shrink from Ate pledge they
had gii en on the
Sir G. SMITH supported the motion, and would divWa
upon it if he stood alone.
Colonel PERCEVAL recommended the 'withdrawal of tie
motion.

Strangers were then ordered to withdraw.
The House then divided, when the nonabers were—
For the grant... l2l
Against it .............. 42
Majority for the grant ....................
On our re-admission to the gallery, we found
Lord CHARLES FITZROY moving that as humble
Address be presented to her Majesty, praying that she will Ivis
graciously pleased to direct a Commission to be sent to the
lonian Islands, to inquire into and report upon all grieratioes
against the Government of those is-lands that may be la*
before it.
Lord JOIIN RUSSELL opposed the motion. Ile belief
that the present mode of government in the lonian Islands was
not exactly what was understood in this country as a free Go-
vernment. But it must be considered that the people were in
a very uninformed state, and he hoped that the education which
was now in progress would, in course of time, fit them for a
Government of greater freedom.—( Hear, hear, hear. )
An extensive conspiracy had also been discovered in mine.,
tion with a conspiracy in Greece for the deposition of King
Otho, the object of which was to withdraw those Wanks
front British protection, and not to establish a free govern
ment, but to offer the protection to some other Power. The
Patriarch of Constantinople had been active in this cosepia
racy, and on the representation of the British Ambassador at
Constantleople he had been deposed. Under there circlet-
stances he thought no benefit would accrue from the issuing
of such a Commission, and he therefore must oppose the motion.
Mr. HUM wished the Noble Lord would adopt the course
in this instance which had been adopted in Malta. Tho Com-
mission sent out there had discovered that the Maltese had ja.t
complaints, and the Noble Lord had, much to his credit, re-
dressetthem in many instances; he knew no Commission tip
which so much credit. was due as to the Maite.le Commission.
Ile felt satisfied that if the Noble Lord would send out a Com-
missioner to the lonian Island, he would ascertain the troth.
Sir ft. PEEL thought it difficult to lay down any general
rule as to the propriety of sending out Commissioners. A
great deal must depend upon the circumstances of the case, anti
' he thought that at this moment to send oat a Commission to
the lonian Islands must be fraught with dangker, consi-
dering that those Islands had lately been the seat of a eon-
spiraey, at the head of which was an individual of such rack
as the Patriarch of Constantinople. He cordially supported
the Noble Lord in his opposition to the motion.
Captain BOLDER() said Sir Howard Douglas was entitled
to the greatest credit for his administration. Severity was
absolutely necessary. There were several families in these
islands known to hold diplomatic situations under the Emperor
of Russia, who were perpetually intriguing, and on several oc-
casions the garrison had been put under arms to arrest three
persons, and their houses searched, when the most undeniable
proofs had been found of their treasonable practices. He
hoped the Noble Lord would withdraw his motion.
Lord C. FITZROY briefly replied—The conspiracies which
had been spoken of were nothing more than naisdemeanciers.
He feared the Attorney-General was not acquainted with the
lonian law ; and lie also feared he hatil nut gained any informs.
tion respecting it that evening, as he appeared to have been
asleep.—( Laughter.) Very recently a law had been enacted
there to flog prisoners at discretion, and aewther to prevent the
reading of en English newspaper without a censorship. lie
thought such arbitrary powers as these ought not to be vested
in any person.—( Hear, hear.) Yielding, however, to the opi-
nion of the House, he should withdraw the motion.
Mr. GltliEN E moved for leave to bring isi a Bill to enable
Canal Companies to carry goods upon canals.
Mr. E. TENNENT moved for leave to bring ip a sill to
amend the Act for regulating the Civil Bill Courts it
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Mr. FOX MAULS for leave to biting i►i a Bill to provide
for keeping the peace on canals and navigable rivers.
Agreed to.
The Borough Watch Rate Bill, and the Poor Clew iin—
tentince Bill, were read a third time and passed.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, ssidilso.
House adjourned at Half-past One.