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should therefore support the amendment of his lion.
Friend the Member for Finsbury.
Mr. STRUT 1' said, with I( sped to the motion of
his Hon. Friend, the Member ior Finsbury, it did not
appear to involve any delay of the Bill, and he was, on
that account, not disposed to resist it. He thought,
however, that the second reading ought not to be post-
poned for so long a period as three weeks. A fortnight
would be sufficient.

The amendment was then withdrawn, and the saccnd
reading was postponed till to-morrow fortnight.
The petition of Mr. Baines, together with the evi-
dence, was ordered to be printed at the expense of the
parties.

DODDINGTON RECTORY DIVISION BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
SCOTCH UNION,INSURANCECOMPANY'SBILL.
This Bill was road a third time and passed.
PORTLAND HARBOURS.
Mr. HUME brought up the report of the Portland
Harbours Bill.

GOVERNMENT EDUCATION SCHEME.
Mr. Hume, Mr. Brotherton, Lord Henniker, and se-
veral other Members presented numerous petitions
against the Government Education scheme.
POOR-LAW RELIEF.
Mr. RUTHERFURD presented a petition from
Galway, complaining of the proposed alterations from
electoral districts to unions.

IMPROVEMENT OF LAND IN IRELAND.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN brought in the Bill for the improve,
meat of land in Ireland, which was read a first time,
and the second reading fixed for Tuesday, the 13th
of April. The Hon. Member also presented several
petitions from Galway and other places, praying that
the 700,000 persons now employed on the public works
might be employed in the improvement of the land.
NAVIGATION-LAWS.
Captain GLADSTONE presented a petition in favour
of the navigation laws.

POOR-LAW (IRELAND).
Mr. DENNISTOUN presented a petition from Glas-
gow praying for an effectual Poor-law for Ireland.
THE GOVERNMENT SCHEME OF EDUCATION.
Lord HARRY VANE presented a petition from Dis-
senters in Hertford against the Government scheme of
education.

Petitions were presented on the same subject by Sir
George Clerk from several Presbyteries in Scotland;
by Captain Gordon, from the Aberdeen Presbytery ;
by Mr. Hume, from Dissenters in Bury St. Edmund's;
by Sir D. Le Marchant, from several places; and by
Lord R. Grosvenor, from Dissenting congregations in
Middlesex.

LAW OF SETTLEMENT.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the
Chorley Union, praying for the abolition of the law of
settlement.

POOR-LAW (IRELAND).
Mr. P. SCROPE presented a petition from Cork,
praying for an effectual poor-law for Ireland.
REGISTRATION OF BIRTHS AND DEATHS
(SCOTLAND).
The Earl of LINCOLN presented a petiticn from
Forfar against the Registration of Births, Deaths, and
Marriages Bill for Scotland.
CHURCH LEASEHOLDS.
Mr. AGLIONBY presented a petition from Henry
Pearson, Esq., barrister, praying the House to carry
into effect the recommendations of the Report from the
Select Committee in 1839 on Church Leases, that the
enfranchisement of church leaseholds should be en-
couraged.

EMIGRATION.
Sir JOHN WALSH. said he had observed that the
Colonial Emigration Commissioners had published in their
" Colonisation Circular" several extracts from the agents
resident in the colonies, and that all the reports concurred
in representing that there was a very large and in-
creased demand for labour springing up in all the co
lonies. He, therefore, wished to know whether the Hon.
Gentleman the Under-Secretary for the Colonies would
have any objection to lay on the table of the House the
whole of the reports from which the extracts
had been collected, and whether there were any
other reports or correspondence with the colonial
authorities which might throw additional light upon
this matter ?
Mr. lIAWES said the reports from Canada, from
which extracts had been made, had been printed in ex-
tense, and placed on the table of the House. With re-
gard to other reports from Australia and other colonies,
the extracts which had been made contained all that
was valuable. There was nothing more in them bearing
upon the subject. They would, therefore, be of no
value if produced in caitenso. There was, however, no
objection at all to produce them. The Hon. Baronet
was correct in stating that a demand for labour had
sprung up._

SECONDARY PUNISHMENTS.
Mr. HUME wished to ask the Hon. Gentleman a
question with reference to a subject which had been
greatly discussed in that House—namely, secondary
punishments. He understood that a committee of the
Council of New South Wales had collected a
vast deal of evidence on the subject, and had made a
report. He wished to know whether there would be
any objection to produce the report and the evidence—
the evidence especially, as he believed the report went
far to modify the opinions entertained with respect to
transportation ?
Mr. HAWES said that no official information had
been yet received of the proceedings of that committee
at the Colonial-office.
PROTESTANT CHURCH AT JERUSALEM.
Lord PALMERSTON, in answer to an Hon. Mem-
ber, said that those who had charge of the money
voted by the late Government for the building of this
church, had embarked in a more extensive plan than had
been at first proposed, and the consequence was that
they had spent all the money which had been voted, and
a considerable sum in addition. The propriety of giving
an additional sum for the erection of the church was
under the consideration of the Government.
POOR LAW—WESTMINSTER,
Sir DE LACY EVAYS wished to ask the Right Hon.
Gentleman the Secretary for the Home Department if
the proceedings of the Poor-law Commissioners with
regard to the poor-law guardians of St. James's, West
minster, had received the sanction of the Home-office ?
Sir G. GREY said that he believed that the Poor-law
Commissioners had no direct sanction, but they had ob-
tained the opinion of the Law Officers of the Crown.
and they had, no doubt, communicated the substance of
it to the different boards cf guardians, pointing out what
they considered to be the legal construction of the Act.
RELIEF WORKS (IRELAND).
On the order of the day tor resuming the Committee
on the Irish Poor Relief Bill being read,
Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN desired to draw the attention of
the Government to the dismissal of labourers from the
public works in Ireland. It had been intimated in
the Right lion. Gentlemen the Secretary for Ireland's
letter, that this dismissal should not take place until
other measures should have been adopted, such as the
temporary relief Bill. It appeared, however, that in
various parts of Ireland the labourer had been dis-
missed before any such arrangement had taken place.
He had received a letter from a Protestant clergyman
in the county which he had the honour to represent,
which stated that, not only had the engineers, but the
labourers, been dismissed from the public works, the
consequence of which would be most fatal. He
wished to know, were the Government prepared
to lay down any definitive principle upon which they
could act. As to the original proposition, no one could
complain of it; but he would press this matter on the
attention of the Right Honourable Gentleman. The
dismissal of so large a number of the people without
providing subsistence of any description, was nothing
less than consigning those so dismissed to starvation.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the statement he had
made on a former occasion was that the rule which the
Government had laid down for itself was, that it being
expedient and proper to decrease the number of people
employed upon the public works—on a certain clay the
number of persons employed upon those works in Ireland
should be reduced by 20 per cent. on the aggregate
amount. They had left to the Board of Works in
Ireland a discretion as to whether they should in
each particular instance strike off 20 per cent. of the
persons employed in the districts. The Board of Works
had, in order to meet the views of the Government,
struck off only 12 per cent. in many districts, and had
increased the dismissals in others. He held in his hand
a letter from Captain O'Brien, which stated that though
a great many persons had been struck off from the pub-
lic works, yet the decrease of 20 per cent. had not been
enforced upon all districts. Ile was satisfied that,
considering the difficulty of so groat a change,
the reduction had been carried into effect in
a most satisfactory manner, and without disturbance,
except in one or two instances. The reduction had been
the more easily effected in a partial manner, as there
were many persons upon these public works who ought
never to have been placed there at all. The result of
the reduction would be a beneficial effect upon
the condition and cultivation of the country,
There was another point referred to by the Hon.
Member. It was, that in many cases the parties em-
ployed were suddenly discharged from the public works,
giving them no time to obtain assistance from the electoral
Division Committees. With reference to this he would
call their attention to a letter which had beett received
from Colonel Jones, the chairman of the board of public
works, from which he would read an extract. (The Right
Hon. Gentleman read the extract, which was to the
effect that sufficient time had been afforded to
the parties discharged to find employment under
the new arrangements of the electoral divi-
sion committees.) The object which the Governmen,
had in view was to effect the change in a manner as
little calculated as possible to interfere with the em-
ployment of the people. The Hon. Member had also
stated that no means were afforded for the finishing
of public works that were necessary to be
completed. He (Mr. Labouchere) begged leave to state
that this was not the case. It was arranged that any
works that now required completion should not be pro-
ceeded with without the concurrence of the Treasury.
The only difference was that any presentments made for
the finishing of public works, instead of being referred
to the Lord• Lieutenant for confirmation, should be sent
over to the Secretary for the Home Department for his
approval.

fir
A. BROOKE wished to know whether it was the
intention of the electoral division committees to sus-
pend the public works altogether ? If so, then
he would urge on the Government the expediency
of making some arrangement, by which in June or July
the unemployed might again be put to labour on public
works. That was the most critical time of the year, when

the landed proprietors could not employ the People, and
therefore someth►ng should be done to meet the difficulty
He also wished to know whether it was the intention of
the Government to establish soup kitchens in all the.
electoral diviaioas throughout Ireland? lie took the
liberty of suggesting the establishment of soup kitchens,
because he believed tin: they were both economical and
advantageous. Ile himself i:Ld kept three or four in active
operation during the winter, besides giving the people
in WO 19CtIlity but fa, the rant," Cli4tfiCt3

it was almost impossible to get places for them, °du
obtain t• e supervision of respectable farmers. He resew'mended the distribution in such localities of meal and rl‘''
as he had found that lib. of rice and
of meat aide
131bs. or 141bs. of good nutritious foo.l—far superior
mending the Government to consider, in carrying )
t
bt eiardipuliasns
admissible
leo rt
naffordingdistribute
reliefte ,
mealaridrice it ,
in would whether it
°, 00certoll
proportions, according to the wants and numbers eft'
families. Ile asked these questions, and made 55
recommendations, because he wished to know the 12;
tentions of the Government before he proceeded
Ireland.
Mr. LABOUCHERE replied that it was the iut„eil;
tion of the Government, as soon as the Relief Act ca,,
into operation, to reduce the member of persons bre,
ployed on the public works as speedily as P°l°l
With respect to his recommendation with re,
to the distribution of meal and rice, he, lire„
C°3
only say that the dispensation of relief haa
put in the hands of the Relief Commissioners, anii that
its nature would vary accurdirg to circumstance'
believed that it would be admitted under the most ju
cities arrangements. As the Hon. Gentleman ". the
going to Ireland, he recommended him to favour
te
Poor Relief Commissioners with a visit, as they nln)
happy to avail themselves of his experience.—("
INSURRECTION IN CATALONIA.
On reading the order of the day,
Mr. BORTHWICK called the attention of the Seer
tary of State for Foreign Affairs to a proclamation ioll! f
by General Breton in Catalonia, and dated the 4th day e.
March, 1847, and moved for copies or extracts of any coy
respondence which may have taken
place between the a
ee
vernments of Great Britain and Spain upon that anciother,
similar measures. The Hon. Gentleman then reit'' th
articles of war which had been declared. Amongst nt",
e-
they stated that the whole family of auy adult who formed
proof
'the rebel army should be subject to death, upon Pr°„.
that they were instrumental in advising or
couraging to the commission of the offence. u
der the regulations of these articles of war the tocci
ther of General Cabrera was shot because her sellian.
left the university, and she was unable to state win't-0
,
he had gone. The perpetrator of that unmanly sett'„
had been promoted. As Queen Isabella was unfor,':b„";
nately au ally of this country, he could only ask
be
Noble Lord to remonstrate, so as to prevent t
g
recurrence of such barbarities. The only 02113;
that kept them from being perpetrated even Do
was the forbearance of the people of SPS- n.
(The Hon. Member read a circular addressed by 1,
Count de Montemolin to his adherents
Spain, instructing them not to make repriSse'
but to oppose the enemies of Spain b
steady discipline, order, and conciliatory conducts
This was dated the 10th March
exhibited the spirit by which that Prince walsB4
He could not ask the Noble Lord to interfere in Spa'
nish politics, but he wished to bring under his rritifo
the tact that the best blood of Spain had been shed is
order to establish a Government which was degrading that_e
country in the eyes of Europe, and disracing the paws
of woman. He did not allude to the unhappy Prins
who was but the victim of a bad system, but he alluded
to her ill-intentioned advisers. On this head he thought
actuated..‘lau
it was his duty to call on the Noble Lord to say that the
tide of barbarity should be turned,—that hitherto it nr,
come, but it should be allowed to proceed no further.
He knew the orders of the House debarred his' from
referring to other matters equally important, but he 08
contented to rest upon the statement he had made:o the
could not read any more extracts with respect
to
Conde de Montemolin, but be could not help referring
the the proclamation of his father, when he signed his oot
morable abdication, in which he stated he would
Ni the government of Spain until she was untrs;o.s'
welled by the machinations of others. Fourteen Yeti
experience had found that the utmost unhappiness and
attended the reigns of the Sovereigns of Spain' his
that no new Minister had proved an exception r boa
predecessor in misgovernment.- Thus Europe had
psd
startled from time to time, and Spain itnpoverishcd
~b be
demoralized. If he referred to the speeches *Ow' alit
had made in former Parliaments, he might sh 0": bed
his predictions had fallen far short of "'ha theactually taken place. The question he wished to asko,o
Right lion. Gentleman was whether any remonstr her
had been made to the Government of Spain, and whetse
there would be any objection to lay the corresponds„
on the table of the House,
or he
Lord PALMERSTON said that the ails': he
had to give the Hon. Member was that to
had no official information with regal.' gilt
the subject which the Hoe. Gentleman had br?„for
under the consideration of the House. The first l'tsia
mation he had of the circumstances was from cer„bis
extracts which had been sent to him by the Honour; by
Gentleman, and of course no steps had been takeshed
her Majesty's Government. If the Hon. Member wiroot
to know the sentiments of her Majesty's Goverrt to
with regard to that proclamation, he bad oniYhad
say that any Hon. Member in the 1-1005 t;„ s
of
only to consult his own breast to know the feeling
disapprobation, disgust, and indignation whichhe
occurrences had inspired. &lone] Breton,
~i;eo
should add, was no longer in the office he wils to
a
that proclamation was issued. He also
wishedwaYe
say that the object of the British Government
noses'
was to impress upon the Spanish Government the
sity of acting upon humane and not barbarous Principles
lie wished to state that these atrocities had not beefs
committed, as had been represented by the Hon. t
entirely upon the side of the Queen's troops ; CS
of fact, they -had been equally committed on --a
sides. He regretted to see in the proclamation issued
by the Prince reference made to ranks and armies
and fields of battle. Words which, if they incest any'
thing, meant that it was his intention again to 5151,1
Spain the theatre of a civil war. He should
be very sorry if sucn were the case; u",,f
he would say, that judging by the conduct
the Prince, ever since be came prominently befir_
the public eye, that it Spain were again to be made 07,
sce, e of civil war, such a course would not be pursue?,
either with his approbation or his sanction. He truste,a,
then, that those who had influence with the Prince would
persuade him to restrain his followers.—(Hear, hear.).
Sir DE LACY EVANS said that he conld
regret that the Honourable Member did not evince
_e7ll.
anxiety when his own fellow-subjects were s.iff
been framed, and he continued to serve.
regard to
He arrived in Spain after the Elliott Convention had
ns;
period of his engagement ) and witnnu that
the observations which had been , be could
both sides were equally criminal,
one gene-
state, of his own knowledge, that noter tion with
ral officer who was serving c°.°P;-a but had
that
him had attempted to violate that convention, but
been most anxious to keep it inviolate.
but he sec)e
the men were liable to atrocities from the enemy,
guarded his lines that during two years he ha.dsnee:ll-
- even a sergeant's detachment. Occasionally wale a
the fuer:
ing back in columns, or in a state of inebriation,
were literally kidnapped, and were barbarously' l'sw
dered on the authority of those officers who wereestwin
erecting the standard of the Conde de Montemollenioo
Spain. He had on one occasion taken 1,000 men ttnsitb in
officers, all of whom he had the right to put to death e
retaliation for the murders already committed, Du
did not do so, and the men and offi officers :of
,°,g
to Don Carlos, deprecating the cruelties He`, to
they:hacl before been parties, and employed (0,)
take measures for putting a stop to them.--k. 7,„ fur
Now in this he had his vindication and satisfactt:t"o,o
the conduct he had pursued.—(Hear.) But air) a
the consequence after this ? When he had left 4agaja
number of the soldiers who had served under him as
one
enlisted in the Spanish army, and some time Jute rld
hundred of them were taken prisoners in a church
put to death.
oa
Lord J. MANNERS said the Hon. Member 6,r 0s b
ol"
taken great credit to himself for not putting.lo,u rs to
(hers and 100 officers, whom he had taken pies that
death death ; but in reference to that he would retnalt js-
the soldiers of Don Carlos had to resist an unjust Teat
sion by parties who had no legitimate right 05 the
whatever in the country. He would turn tench of
speech of the Hon. and Gallant Member to the ar_ilr be
the Noble Lord—a speech which in tone and temper bo
trusted would, on all future occasions on this subject,,tad
imitated by him. He further trusted that wn'oflicer
fallen from the Noble Lord would induce every _ with
in Spain to act on principles more in consonap_cinestion
humanity and legitimate warfare than the proclaser for
of Colonel Breton, referred to by the Hon. Member
Evesham.
LoSrdirwDheEth lesrAitCwYnsErVigAhtNtShawtisphrenclnlatmonatisnknstsbnoo!atbi.heho
issued from this country like the one referred to .
_meiying
Hon. Member for Evesham by an individual roc
the hospitality of this country ?—(Hear, hear.). _ ,ouese
Mr. P. BORTHWICK thought he had in the
056ible
of his observations guarded himself against any Ii
allusion to the events of the late civil war in SP4Goaral
had certainly not blamed the Hon. and Gallant word in
opposite. Ile had certainly never said °I-I_, pakaer-
reference to him, though the Noble Lord (14°." —east to
ston) had made some reference to it. What tueelo the
say was, that his observations had referenct
to "lir,
present state of Spain, and not with respe
ni against
et hwaatr,
but
icountry.t
denounce
de Montemolin not to make any reprisals when
levied against them. —(Order, order.) the question
to any that IC
Lord PALMERSTON —ln answer to
of the Hon. and Gallant Member,
called
the friends
.of
_t
ader Condo
country affords to every foreigner of any ni s
issue prods-
would be a great abuse of the hospiitbaelitY.7_hoicrhrl:nlikig,
who chose to reside here, that they should disturb
of any kind tending to incite war and
ante between friendly states.—(Cheers.)
LANDLORD AND TENANTS 1it...1-.'
from Mr. P. et in"
In reply to a question
but i they
tended
ate.l
should not be enabled to introduce the Bille
tended to introduce a Bill on this subject
immeth
Gentleman
Lord J. RUSSELL stated that the Governme
after Easter. it would be well if the Hon.
would proceed with his Bill.—(Hear.) _
MORTALITY IN IRELAND!
stone the inquiry he made a few days ago with
the Chief
to the mortality in Ireland. He wished to askn_orouid
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK was desirri.aretsoperoei
Secretary whether any serious or energetic ff effort wool
be made to ascertain the number of deaths this
e limo()
as
produce an authority which he was sure the of
compared with other years ? He was nowthahout
would not call in question, as to the prn
this ques-
tion of the House, that when he first mooted
of deaths
tion, he was told, in reply, that a registryan
procuring such a return. It would be i "the recollee-
d that it
was only kept by the Protestant clergy, s of
ersuasion.
those belonging to the Roman Catholic p r
0, ,be
would be impossible to obtain from them the death
Now, he had received a letter from the brother 0f
head of the Roman Catholic Church in Ireland—(
Sheil—" Who? who?")—the brother of the Archbishop
of Tuam—(Cries of " lie is not the head_ o
ea t, the 4
Catholic Church." "He is not the b
the Catholic Church," from Mr. Shell)