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guardians ; but he thought that it was very unfair that
the non-resident proprietor should have a nominee and a
proxy. Thfit provision being very objectionable, he
should propose to the House to dissent from it. The
other amendments refered merely to matters of minor
detail, and he hoped to see no essential alteration except
that he had noticed in those amendments. He would
therefore move that these amendments be now read.
The amendments up to clause 11 were agreed to.
On clause 11 being read,
Sir D. NORREYS objected to the amendment.
For some time previous to the introduction of the,pre-
sent poor. law, circumstances were in operation is Ire-
land which caused the eviction of the poor tenantry from
the rural districts, and caused them to settle in the
towns. As soon as the law of settlement was
duced it had the immediate effect of settling as a permane°.
t
burden upon the towns the poorer classes of the, g?_.
nantry, who for some time previous had taken up th,el r
residence there. He thought it a very great harcigng
upon the towns that they were to be sacrificed to
sins and failings of the agricultural proprietors. .°l:r.
therefore moved they disagree with the Lords'
ment to which he had referred.

Mr. CALLAGHAN seconded the motion.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN hoped that the House would. expel
Elite the work of charity to be performed by th1a.,,,„13.
and that it would sanction the comparatively trin7i;
alteration which had been made by the other House. it.
did. not concur in the Right Hon. Baronet's
tons, for he thought that the alteration introduced if!
one of • a wise and beneficial nature ; and thereforT;
should support the amendment as sent down to"
House. • obsero

rhich had

driven M r.
tCALLAGHANbe populationo
fsaid e thrautr
at hl ods ei
districts
vri., from
{ever
them, had driven them back to die of hungeratrdYfe
Sir J. GRAHAM (who was with difficulty heard) 71.1.,
that the House did not seem to attach so much iinPa to
ante to the Lords' amendments as he was disposei_es
attach to them. He had concurred with the steps !aiatijo
by the Government in many of the provisions al had
Bill. The Noble Lord, in his speech of that evelling'd 00
departed in no great degree from what he had stat{ this
a former occasion with respect to the operation o woo
ittHaamhhnmoeapeuteaasiteotorthnet
hserthtehhooreafeul
ltofdpeHoprareaormnrttuoai, osttoeinbfossunt
ttaswhwneiehdot
were
dcteoohi
tudwhtiehaasulpa.cmpdpuoeel
Tnaaabrths
calculated
been introduced measure. He was at the same time °I. op is
that, under the circumstances of the c•—,ls'
instance there was a case of real and substantial gof
great portion of the rural district had gene intedulto
towns, and a provision of the Bill had been frolteoe
hinder
the unmitigated burden of their rea`n".- 10
being thrown upon the town alone. That probe most
snel
rr
at t
gores
been omitted by the Lords, and therefore thosee chi'
serious inconvenience was likely to arise to
tricts with which this great influx of the rural r rfp of
tion had taken place. The prolongawettiollo:nhtioPmfuwittasabbeai:-nieiLbiSellef.
residence was, in his opinion, more than dseeo
to be beneficial, and therefore the Lords tola°o
wascouldlike be b likely to prejudice
doubtrejudic thetbeatto
operationwnalike
Loifverpthooi and
There
ste-rof
Glasgow were great sufferers under the present re.
for instead of the starving population of
suppliedlrels
ceiving relief in their own country, or being rete,
by the parish authorities with money to et 1310;,,
America, they were sent over to English sew_° roil, be
P
owing to a defect in the existing law of rego"'lsre,
came irremovable paupers. He would, there h
commend the Hon. Member for Mallow not w Press -iS
amendment to a division. iorf tooe,
Sir GERGE GREY, who spoke in a Yell that Of,
of voice, was understood to concur in mucht A- just Or
fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman who "s'. looticr'
down. He should be unwilling to consent ton bad
ment of the Lords, if it were calculated tosod'
tice upon this country ; but he, for one, did 17t or
I
cipate so distressing a result, although he did pot
gether agree with the whole of the clause. f,
Course
it should be found to work badly, of coun toc
would be amended ; and it would be elYt°o tbs
understanding that he should consent
the
omission of the clause. The importance of.o
so great, and the advantages it was likely toconr tt
ill
efetepro
Ireland were so direct that it behoved the Sous
it without further delay.
a gMrera.tLeEbFabßgOe Ybeafedrmeiitttecdoutlhdatbelprelalcaendd
ihaada
p.toro:saripv-deeerorgin
state, and he sincerely hoped this Bill herewolliclu were
effect of producing that change. No doubt t
onstrate;
defects in the Bill, which experience would derowe d be
but when these defects were discerned the alto
no difficulty in remedying them. He owned that
Bill stood in its original form he sh
tical as to its success, and he must, therefore,
endmeatt4
Government for having accepted the Lords' ti
the large WY
Sir R. H. INGLIS really thought, after former o
jority that voted in favour of the clause on tt_
casion that the House would stultify itself if it bored
it to be committed. Besides, from what he the
from the few words just addressed to the House to
Right Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary of State_ too! ,he
Home Department, it did not appear to him th
Right Hon. Gentleman altogether approved of the went
hheeth:nkthere
sion, but excused himself for adopting the amen ,hued
upon the ground that it might be altered if it was J.„ to
to render the Bill inoperative. Now, it did not seeTbe
him to be right to legislate in that manner, 0°4,0
thought that before the omission were acceded to,
_,""0
House ought to have a conference with the Lords tir
the subject.
Lord C. HAMILTON could not consent to t(1/,:
amendment of the Hon. Gentleman, the Member '
Mallow, and he trusted, therefore, that it would be w tit
drawn. If the clause should be found to operate wlio
hardship another opportunity would be afforded thelnios
amend it, and he thought they could not do othereio
than adopt the course recommended by her Mai°
Government.
Mr. BELLEW thought that the House would do well
to accept the Bill as amended.
Lord G. BENTINCK could not understand the argligig;
ment, that this clause would tend to flood England the
Irish paupers. He could not see how relieving to
paupers by electoral districts or by unions could wish so
send the paupers into this country. He did not 117,1 that
go over the whole debate, but he certainly thougp
_.tee
the smaller the extent of district over which the ;be
were to be levied was, the greater care woulSeere/al
in employing the population of that district. triflll4
thought that if the House were to strain at these 000
amendments, after having swallowed the amen hold be
introduced by the Lords in the year 1838, it ser
strangely inconsistent. He should most certainlY
port the Bill as amended. (10011
Sir H. W. BARRON thought that the atno°,,
introduced into the Bill would go far to remedy t.eneits
of the Bill, when sent up to the Lords, of the eltfr oo'
rating. He did not think that there was °lnt' tb!
Member unconnected with towns or boroughg, "woo',
country who could bring forward any argument:n.,,diora°
of union ratings. It was most unfair to the ise• tjle
that they should be called upon to pay a rate•f°•,tbicti
support of the poor over an extensive territory' iii
ptspwhpeeereceryetdeaicdt
ooeufraledi.
at
rhm notpreparingeT eethxhr eetgr rcise the slightest control over 61-ficis
oohwusageshlrloaauatt
rates
is ttpresenthhweehi
their
which
ohs aut generalonettkrhy:yaaand
dv
iie:E pie° Sbour:
and holdingi n suc
called upon to pay. Numbers of the -small !,,Br- tot
landgabradtewrefrtcobmednaess,
provement. In this state of
pleased that the amendment had gnnt
shoi
istp
recrooodsus
vunnecteed _r
et;o1 ett}lbrY:
Lords. He had always been the supporter of %%Do
law f.otrbaldrelnaontd,paasnsdedthea House
h
tvvhaitthi poor-law was
itt
out no
state of
respect to the paupers flooding greatlysome t
yearse •
as natural that the poverty of Ireland should fount mid'
property of that country as for the sun to shine t.
day. No law could prevent Irish paupers coming to two
country so long as the union existed between thews,
countries. Ireland had been treated by Hon. blew
caner'
and the press of the country, in a most insolent Mto,
Mr. CURTEIS confessed to being one of those Ho
vo"
Members, whose conduct had been insolent t 0,;,,
Ireland, if to be insolent was to speak in terms of rero,
bation of the habits and the character of the Irish P:of
pie. With respect to the amendments of the 1-lons,
Lords, he thought that there was a small clique or ;Re
tion in the House of Lords, who would gladly heave
ladiv t
out of the poor- law altogether, and would g- not
the poor to be supported by this country. aid
pas°,
think that the House of Lords dared to reltle one
the Bill if it were sent up with the amendments exe
motion'
If the Hon. Member should divide upon his
e to
should most certainly vote with him,
Mr. P. SCROPE thought that it would be h,,,eiteefi"
ti
agree to the amendments, than risk the fate of tuobsels
by sending it back to the Lords, where it was Protern
that other amendments, of no more favourable 0 such
would be introduced. He did not anticipate alietioes
serious effects from the operation of the amen a beel
In the counties of Cork and Mayo, evictions bee, 11
going on to a most alarming extent, several vae °
been actually raised to the ground for the Pule lll
clearing the ground, and the unfortunate PeOefoic f
cast on the world, to find their resting plaeet.t Or
obes
with famine, under the hedges, and in the dl hod
their native eountry, where their ancestors
sided for many years in ease and :000°:..
The electoral division system of rating was 5 r
to the Irish landlords to clear their estates, from tbvi,
the poor had been driven to the towns, 0,1 tr, bear'
t.
would be shipped to the English ports.—C rieesaih°4
from Mr. Fitzatephen French.) Did the aco 00
for Roscommon know the way in which rite►
corporations subscribed half a crown per beau ,(08'1"
port the Irish paupers to the English shores.
ddb
hear.) This was a fact. pier
of Dungarvon, and he could not help regrettingiteuscodp4
Mr. SHEIL said that he was Member for the .bifet th.!
amendment introduced in the Lords was aecl!geotaa,"o
by the Government.—(Hear, hear.) The retru
system was most defective, and he observe
ture than the landed proprietors, becauso,:ve'retne:i
towns always received more attention from thle';'llo_,l
better represented. He conceived that the Lx_Lbed b'e
were right in their original intention, and he w"
go
had persevered in it,
Gentleman he could bear out the statements
_we'll
had made with reference to the influx of PallPentepr,
Mr. B. OSBORNE said as a constituent of trio
the town of Dungarvon. But if the Hon%
the ren
felt so very strongly the defective state otbola,
sentative system, he, from his high position,,,T;ilystel
He was f
of rating was most unjust and unfair. ;00 o
sefit.
to bring forward some definite proposition• icmototo:
that the Noble Lord would, in the next ~es.
• coas' •
should be entirely revised. eertol° tbsi
dere- v
Mr. LABOUCIIERE said, that from d
liament, have to come down and beg that the
be cons' e
munications which he had received,_ton or
there were some points in which the sr cate,, tboy.
.flveal
e tO ••ae "r^ en
should be considered. With re erenc
tin Lora 0
which had been made to him, respec g ,elGr'd
might be revised—and when the proper time
and the charge which Ur. Scope had maw' a
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