The Sun.
London, England, 1841-03-03 00:00:00

PRATING _EDITION .

)(-IRXOF SEWERS FOR WEST-
MINSTtht AND PART or MIDDLESEX.

W6recial Court of Sewers for • the City and Liberties of
estminster and
_part of the county of Middlesex, was yester-
day held at the °eke of the Commissioners in Greek-street,
Soho• Before proceedng to the business of the Court,
31r. LESLIE rose to call the attention of the Court to his ob-
jection to the legality of the meeting.
31r1 T. Jonersou -rose to protest against the business of the
C°'ilt being thus interru tedconstantlyby onemember, merely
for the sake of notoill'ety.Plf those into werecontinued,
!Lod the time thus wasted, he would never comain. It was un-
nearahle that. one member should come theree toagmake speeches
b •
ecause he happened to be connected with a public Journal,
mite bring reporters there to give his speeches notoriety.
Several members rose to protest against the time being
Wasted hy the eternal speeches of a certain Commissioner.
ft, Mr- T. KNIGHT moved to order payment of 47/. lets.
rates and taxes.
Alr. Locxx seconded the motion.
ilk LESLIE wished to have his objection to the legality of the
teethe,.' recorded by the C'erk.
The CHAIRMAN said it .could notsbe done at present. The
Ivey would be for the Hon. Commissioner to make a dis-
tinct motion on the subject.
Mr. T. Jouxsoer— Oh I Sir, the reporter will take care to
record your objection.
The motion was then put and carried.
decree fur
BAG UE then moved that the Court do sign the
for the late on the Ranelagh district in the usual
banner.
Sir
G. FARRANT seconded the motion.
duty A'BEcerre considered that they were thereto do their
to the public. It was clar a rate must be leied buthe
'ought that it would be more proper to allude tov the. finding
of the Traverse Jury ; and, therefore, he should moee an amend-
ii"!nt that the decree be signed in the usual form, except in so
as the presentment had been altered by the Traverse Jury,
'4 the case of St. Luke's, Chelsea, the Old Church burial
ground, Workhouses, and schools in the same parish.
•t Mr• BEACH would have supported such an amendment, had
been proposed on Tuesday last ; he had great pleasure in
seconding it.
of,lr. LESLIE wished to know if either the mover or seconder
Tthe motion had read the decree.
atAhe Ceeinmex said, that any Commissioter might ask
other Commissioner a question, but it was for the Com •
rolss loners to decide whether be would answer.
Theapetain BacuE would not answer the question.
tniisio amendment was then put and carried, only three Corn-
p, tiers, Sir G. Farrant, Mr. Willoughby, and Captain
"ne, voted against it.
bit. LESLIE, who, during the division, had left the Court,
tnoi‘ved that the names be taken down.
;„ Ir• IlEacii had no objection,but in point of order he ob-
"c.olieted_.,to a Commissioner-who, uring the division, had left the
41 making a motion regarding that division.
LESLIE sa'd he had retired below the bar, because the
Taii.noan had rated that he was not to be permitted to speak.
te CHAIRMAN had not prevented the Hon. Commissioner
ore Peaking.telleetr. Ltsre—The Chairman had ruled that he should not
remitted to speak on the question of the illegality of the
The gCireifter • had ruled on that question.
Ai, ,£0
itts`-• LESLIE did not interfere, for he contended the meeting
Illegal and the proceeding void ab initio.
Irle.a.tat. VAGUE wished to know why the Hon. Commissioner
irere if the meeting were not a legal one ?
to LESLIE attended as one of the deputation who had gone
i-ord Normanb yesterday, to give an aceoLnt of their
prose Lord
Y
th The decree for a rate in the Counters Creek District was
en ordered to be signed, Mr. Fuller alone voting against the
rontiole
t,;Tc ite decree for levying the rate on the Counters Creek Dise
44;11 Was
s then read by the Clerk, and signed by the Chairman
c.4t:x Commissioners.
roe Ytaiii oux—Your names will rli be in The Su', to-mor-
rrimorning, gentlemen.—( A laugh.
1),(1.4' Collector's books for the district were then ordered to
peened,
try . decree for levying the rate in the Ranelagh district
A,then read by the Clerk and signed by the Chairman, r.
lisZeeekett, Mr. Beach, Mr. Johnson, 31r. Locke, and Mr.
1),10• °ltmissioxe expressed his fear that they were em-
one '6
fle seg
on a sea of litigation. 11e-was instructed to state that
the :141"liel, attended by 2,000 persons, would certainly oppose
Tbeterrnination of the Commissioners.
ae
*lee 'ozee Collector's books for the district were then read and
Mr 45140'5_LESLIE wished to know how many of the bye-laws
Tee e,t! of in 1839 had been repealed.
k4LAIRMAN—None that I know of.
deer', testae would ask the Chairman to state whether the
Tlie.!7jus.. signed were in conformity with their own bye-laws.
deerre "ad departed from all laws of the Court in making that
tee, et,a„od, as a matter of course, -everything done under it was
adopto'vas the Chairman aware that by the course he had
',liar: (1 they bad departed from those bye-laws ? They had
4,6(4- Parties by those decrees, who were not within the regu-
-111-
,ie the CHAIRMAN asked the Clerk if there was any alteration
e usual tetra ?
titre CLuitc—Not that I am aware of.
the e• 0 LesLIE said that first he had objected to the illegality of
; next, it was contrary to the ordinance and the bye-
the eb•w ita.oirowirir rose to order. They were not to argue
ehieroteenon now ; the objection appeared to him most mis-
Th
tnale,ie
ii„ ,"Allman thought Mr. Leslie was precluded from
Aire these objections now.
the d.' 1-EsLix had purposely abstained from taking any part in
the nelstission relative to the decree. As he was not to go.into
7"uJection Raw, he would be contented with the answer that
iipciothe bye-laws had been rescinded.
had ta-ic;itaptelere was not aware that any material alteration
Af• e. e " Place.
oesie LESLIE would ask if there would be any objection to
it „eg both the decrees printed and delivered with the others,
other °a,ld save an enormous sum to the parishes, who must
der,se get them from the solicitors. Would he be consi-
Tee°," of order in moving it now?
kr. 'bilrAlastAN thought he could move.
.„,t1 yl'Aztt—No it cannot be moved now.
etierfe. "-xstie_Rea'lly, Mr. Baker had better take the chair.
lee,ki-'neirrnan had decided 'he could move it, and therefore he
ZII vel: teethe deercee be printed.
--,t„Aclit objected to the printing the decrees.
welt; ,':etecicEre thought it would hive the effect of inun-
elerk° "e office with applicants. He would suggest that the
taie 0,4t1 be empoeeied by law to furnish copies at a cer-
„ef find,- „Itge. He objected to furnishing parties with the means
ish :a:Ter ,:;-„g fault with their own proceedings. It was rather
gree; in the members of that Court to endeavour to fur-
~lr-ralts to others to upset the proceedings of the Court.
rees.,l7°'4l GUNTER thought it very advisable that the de-
-laot be printed and furnished to the public. He did
Weeldgme that more than 100, or at furthest 200, persons
for them.
there a • IARRANT was afraid that the solicitors would come
copy nd get the printed copy and charge their clients for the
he p Air LESLIE then altered his motion that the decree should
Yver,lt7tl and forwarded to each Commissioner, and to the
Nib, clerks and solicitors of the different parishes.
the ti,". naolvx seconded the motion, as one likely to save
Mime °f the clerks.
%4 110 i • WHITE proposed as an amendment, that the Court
u-,,ePart from its usual practice.
earrise H. Jourrsow seconded the amendment, which was
uy 17 to 4.
Stiess:nrs*, W. White, Chalmers, Knight, Bardillon, Beach,
Soley, T. H. Johnson, A'Beckett, Wil-
zed 11,' Batter, Locke, Sir George Farrant, Captain Bagtie,
J. r,''▪
')gers, voting for the amendment ; and Messrs. till-
' 'eh 'venter, Leslie, and Browne against it.
thee,frekServeyors then presented their Report on pipes laid
the" s, the bank of e Counters Creek Sewer, for the relief
Cleer n'est London a thnd Westminster Cemetery ; which the
the ex 14.11 proposed should be printed and circulated among
Thenittnissioners previous to the question being discussed.
14 the t 4"' P. B. BOUVERIE would at a proper time explain
the 63 • his reasons for considering that, in this instance,
*as thYitnissioners had exceeded their authority. Ihe matter
consequence of the Cemetery Company having
n▪
eed 0,7111 e under-ground drains to draw off the surface water, it
LWiththe Loned that to communicate with pipes communicating
ci
Used "estrninster Canal. Now, the ground could never ku for the purposes of being built upon ; and, under those
the mitnsta'lees, he should hardly think the Court would cut off
thoeient drairaee, and force the Company to build a sewer.
llghtiltt the 'Commissioners were attempting to exercise
t
Ilk ;etch they never could maintain.
gg,te, Gu th ht the Company, were erong in the Court 'at allo.ugThey ought to have gone to the Canal
of theiail. The Cemetery Company ought not to be deprived
Psre,iseancient rights of drainage. All they asked for was
mt.
to lower the pipes ; they had a right to it.
to zttest thought they were quite right in coming to the
j_ketke,r, ask the permission required, and not to demand it as
I'retZenLY had no right of the. sort. The Court was bound
(ted, by ue Property of building round in the neighbour-
ry the means of efficient drainage.
-SLUE moved that the report be printed and cir-
co • that a special Court be holden the 16th of March,
Aftr?stuer
blllr,
.lill.Loucitrie seconded the motion.
The did not see any necessity for printing the re-
..e eeemetery Company should be iequired to do that
3,5 1 other parties were compelled to do, and he could not
Tkql benefit to be derived from further delay.
INition was then put and agreed to.
The Sere .
atm te„- es ors then reportei, on petition of Win. Higgs to
4ivisabi".feet of gully drain in Fulham-road, that it was not
Wert e should be granted, and suggested certain improve-
,rts Which would produce the desire effect.
Titien report was approved of,
ran, ' next business for the Court was to consider as to the
see 4 of Churches in the'eastern division cf the Westminster
4.
resle. with reference to a communication from the solicitors
l'arisee lig their confe• ence with the solicitors of the several
ws,tiee the subject of a proposed special case, from
"'e set,• aPPea.red that no arrangement could be come to on
Mr, Het of a special case.
thought
~,BtcicErr said that the Legislature had recently
t,e tee vr°Per to exempt all places of worship from Poor-rates.
-,utire„-.4ght it would sive much trouble and litigation if the
Norreanby were requested to introduce into *is
et, ‘ient clause exempting churches, chapels and other buildings
tale s: fr° Poor-ratesby the Act of Vin. IV. from Sewers-
, 41 e We would give notice of a motion to that effect.
1.%• teLouGlinv thoueht it would be well that before
IZatly'4olvnigsetdo levy distress on this property they should be pro-
• Sir. William Follett had explained some of the
lae'dultstietal of levying on ecclesiastical property—(. Hear, hear)
t'itekpreposettietrhe seemed no prospect of
.an amicable adjustment,
ateTthyienogpinion of an eminent civilian should be
revske to:the power of the EcclesiasticaFCourts to interfere,
a distress.
Sbad u Le:ILIE should like to have the decree read. They
e:ereed that if no distress were to be found, they would
than away the land. Then why ask the opinion of the
oeld ht4-'w ? They had decreed they could do it ; the opinion
Tll, ,je They
taken before signing the decree.
Ca eeierk then read the portion of the decree alluded to.
r‘,llo BA
GUE seconded Mr. Willoughby's motion.
'e 10:1111g1-1
'ets, ose-nsWer to Mr. Leslie, the CLERK stated that the col-
yofnotrhw. warrants in the cases of the churches on
resisDprlrt.sras,
jet:°;tE said the question was, would they dare to put a
,entrm° a church, or sell consecrated land ? They had
aPPed into siening a decree that day, and now, like
t.olee la gamestrs, they were going to spend more money.
f (21;1* wa3 the cry and now they were to have the opinion
clioth wan as ta whether they could put a distress into a
▪ „ They knew they could not
is 13eowerthouht the conduct of the Court on
t7ki„uillyesetu:erinegflecotleicl littlegcredit on the
awaredisctien of the
,:iolitiers,ouoirdonb ta.heir knowledge of the They were
course which would brhinegm_Thietmwoi
into
the Di ring the Caurch upon t
%al ssenter3 u )011 m who would very properly
h of th • • 1 re '
ureires their taxing meeting-houses at three-thirds, and
4iree tat only two-thirds, their value. Unless they
.had
e"oP,, nolo to escape they s commencing a long huge-
it
Wei 't:".tneough
Mae a disgrace to th
to Pave aeavivseerdebefore signing the decree.
but r.
A”Y takingeegeneosuteFtn was not as to making the rate,
an opinion as to how it was to be lev:ed.