The Sun.
London, England, 1824-03-09 00:00:00

PARLIAMENTARY PAPER.

its being so very seldom detected ; the risk is not considered
great.
You mean that the laws are so very easily etaded?.L-Yes.
If a man will take an oath, or makeup his Mind to violate
the law, your opinion is that there is no great difficulty in do;
ing it ?—Certainly.
Cannot specifications of every new machine with drawings
and models,•be obtained front this country ?—I! have no doubt
they may be, and are daily procured ; I was conversing last
week with a large cotton manufacturer from France, who stated
distinctly, that there was no model or machine in existence in
England, of which he could not obtain a model or drawing by
paying for it.
It is understood that Mr. Manby has established iron steam
boats on almost every river in France ; was not that machinery
E exported
three exclusively
principal from E
places ngl England d? ot i ?—Entirely. y.
manufacture
of iron in the
neighbourhood of Paris, do you know what number of English-
men are employed at each ?—I think there are at least from
three to five hundred in each of the two principal manu-
factories.
Those are at Chaillot and Charenton ?—They are.
Are not those two establishments principally for the manu-
facture of iron, and not of machinery ?—Almost exclusively
for the manufacture of machinery ; the works at Chaillot are
exclusively for the manufacture of machinery ; lately at Cha-
renton they have erected rolling mills for making bar iron.
Have you seen any of the machinery that has been manu-
factured at those works in France ?—I have not. I have seen
machines manufactured in France, but not at those works.
You cannot state, even from report, what is its merit, as com-
pared with machinery manufactured in England ?—es, from
report I certainly car ; the machines manufactured at both
those works are of exceedingly good quality, at least the work-
manship of them is ; I should make a decided distinction be-
tween the workmanship and the raw material, the raw material
in France being much inferior to the English ; but as they
were manufactured by English artizans, the work is equal to
what would be manufactured in this country.
You state that an English smith will receive ten or eleven
francs a day in france, what would be the average wages that
man would receive in this country !—A first-rate smith in Lon-
don would receive from 6s. 6d. a day to is.
In the instance of a seizure of machinery for spinning cotton,
are you aware whether the usual modes were resorted to for
evading the vigilance of the Custom-house officers ?—I am not
able to speak to that ; but it appears that the mode adopted was
not sufficiently efficacious, and I apprehend the usual precau-
tions were not taken.
You think that species of machinery might be so broken up
into parts that it might easily evade the vigilance of the Cus-
tom-house ?—I have no doubt of it.
Have any persons, consuls, or others connected with foreign
countries, sent any machinery and plans and models abroad ?
I have sent myself a considerable quantity of machinery to
Russia for the Emperor's use, but they were none of them
prohibited articles, nor am I aware that any prohibited ar-
ticles were sent, though I may perhaps have an opinion upon
that subject.

Is it necessary for you to send artizans abroad to carry on
your own business ?—Uertainly, when we send machinery
abroad we are under the necessity of sending men to erect it ;
that generally forms part of the contract which we enter into
with the parties for whom we construct it.
What kind of workmen is it that are generally enticed to go
abroad ?—They invariably entice the best workmen ; a consi-
derable risk and expence is incurred in getting workmen over
from this country, and added to-this a large bribe is necessary,
so that it would not be worth while to incur all this risk and ex-
pence for the sake of obtaining inferior workmen.