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ROUSE OF COLIMONS, MARCH 24

The SPEAKER Laving tAen the Ctiair,
ivir. Craf;_r, from the Treusti7y, presented the. 2-"..maLtl
Firtimee ACCCAIntF.
SUDBURY ELECTION.

Sir• C. LEMON brought up the Itliort of the Sud-
bury El'ction Committee, e,-,rifirming the election of
George Tomlin;. Esq. The Committee reported that
the p; tition of Alderman Purr was neither frivolous nor
vexatious.

On the motion of Mr. Alderman THOMPSON,
the Durham and Sunderland Railway 811 was read a
third time and passel.

Mr. COLQUHOUN presented a petition from the
Provost and Magisirdt2s of Renfrew against the Pol.
lok and Govaalway Company.
Mr. LA NGDALE presented a petition from Pres-
ton, praying that provision be made for allowing tie oc-
cupiers of workhouses to attend the.r own places of wor-
ship on Sundays ; also petitions to the same effect from
the Catholics of Preston and Knaresborough.
Mr. A. YATES presented petitions from King's
County and Queen's County in favour of Medical 11.:-
form.

Sir E. KNATCHBULL presented a petition from
a solicitor of London, named Ilenslow, in which
set forth a great grievance which he had feequently [-net
with in the discharge of his duty. He set forth several
cases where ex?.eut-;rs who had never acted at all, or
ever had any funds of the testators in their hands, after
the lapse of seventeen, eighteen, or even twenty years,
had bean celled upon to pay large sums as Legacy-duty,
and in some cases had also bean visited with penalties.
He prayed for such an alteration of the law as would
make It imperative on the officers of the revenue to call
for such duties before the end of a short and specified time.
The Right Hon. Gentleman gave notice that he should
move to-morrow for the appointment of a Committee
on the subject ; also a petition from Faversham in
favour of the Jewish Declaration Bill.

Mr. ROUND presented a petition from Essex in
favour of the rating of small tenemerts B 11.
Sir H. PARNELL presented petitions from Dun-
dee in favour of the Import Duties Bill, and a petition
from the Medical Association of Scotland in favour of
the Medical 114orrn 13111.

Mr.T. PARKER presented a petition from Aberyst-
with, against the Poor-law Amendment Bill.
Mr. W. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from a
union in Yorkshire t,) the same effect.

Mr. Alderman THOMPSON presented a petition
from St. Mary le 131 w, London, to the same effect.
Captain JONES presented a petition from Donegal
and Londonderry, praying for the total abolition of
Church patronage in Scotland, and a pettion in favour
of the Copyright of Designs Bill.
Mr. PEASE presented petitions from the Roman
Catholics of Durham and Darlington, praying that the
inmates of workhouses of that persuasion might obtain
the spiritual assistance of their own clergymen.
An HON. MEMBER presented a petition from Raven-
stone, in the county of Leicester, in favour of Church
Extension.

Lord SAND ON presented a petition from the medi-
cal practitioners of Liverpool, praying that curtain
changes be made in that part of the Poor-law Amend-
ment Act relating to the attendance of medical men at
workhouses.

Mr. VILLIERS presented a petition against
the County Courts' Bill ; also two petitions from agri-
cultural parishes in Somersetshire, praying for the re-
peal of the Corn-laws, by which, the petitioners com-
plained, that the pauperism of the country was caused.
Mr. GROTE presented a petition from a certain
congregation of Protestant Dissenters, praying for the
abolition of Ecclesiastical Courts. and the release of
Mr. Baines.

Mr. DALRYMPLE presented a petition in favour
of Church Extension.

Mr. SHAW presented a petition from the Chemists
and Druggists of Dublin, praying to be excluded from
the provisions of the Medical Reform Bill.
Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from an
engineer, in favour of harbours of refuge.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from an
elector of the county of Hertford, complaining that he
could not get a copy of the register of the electors of
that county from the Clerk of the Peace unless he paid
fifteen shillings for it, whereas the usual price was five
shillings. The Hon. Member gave notice of his inten-
tion to bring the subject of complaint under the consi-
deration of the House, and he moved that it be printed
with the Votes.
The SPEAKER said the Hon. Member should
give notice of his intention to have the petition printed
with the votes.

After a short discussion,
Mr. DUNCOMBE deemed the right of petition
of so much importance, that he would take the sense
of the House upon his motion. He had never known
a case in which a motion like the present bad been re-
fused.

The SPEAKER was understood to say that the
general rule of the House was that a notice should be
given when Members intended to print a peti-
tion and found a motion thereupon.—( Hear.)
The House had strictly adhered to that rule all last
Session, and during lest Session the House had fre-
quently, in his recollection, refused to sanction the
printing of petitions ; so that it was entirely in the
option of the House to refuse or net to print peti-
tions. It had ly ea an understanding during the
whole of the present Session not to have peti-
t:ons printed without a distinct notice of motion
previously given ; therefore he had done no more
by the Hon. Member than he had done by many
others during the course of the Session. He would
wish the House t' recollect that, according to the strict
practice of the House, notice ought to be given of every
motion.

Mr. BROTHERTON hoped, as the petition was
not of an urgent nature, that the Hon. Member would
withdraw his motion, and dive notice of it.

Mr. T. DU NCOMBE would have no objection to
the delay if he could bring on the question at the time
of private business to-morrow—but if it were to be put
off for twelve or fourteen days, it would be in fact
putting the petitioners comi,letely out of Court.
Mr. ESTCOURT said that if the Hon. Member
wished to break down the understanding which had
been catered into at the beginning of the Session, he
ought to bring the question forward at the time of
public business at five o'clock.
Mr. T. DU NCO M BE was not infringing any rule.
He was strictly adhering to the orders of the House.
There had been no proposition at the beginning of the
Session to rescind that order, and if' there had been he
should have opposed It ; on that order he took his
stand.

Mr. HU ME thought his Hon. Friend had strictly
complied with the rules of the House. If they were
bad they aught to be rescindei.
Sir G. GREY said his Hon. Friend wished evidently
to break down an understanding which had been gene-
rally acted on since the commencement of the Session.

Sir E. K NATcHBULL did not object to the print-
ing the petition, but he did object to breaking in upon
the usual practice of the House during the present
Session.

Sir ROBERT PEEL said the Hon. Member ought
on his own view of the case to set aside the general
practice of tine House.
Mr. ALSTON said the Hon. Member for Finsbury
had in his opinion complied with the strict rule of the
House. No Hon. Member had shown that the pre-
scribed ru'e had been rescinded.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it was undoubtedly
a lia,dship upon the Hon. Member for Finsbury that
he should be °idled to wait until his motion came
before the Bonze, but if it came on it should be under-
stood that the motion was entertained at the time of
private busincsF.
Mr. DU NCOMBE said he had no objection to that.
The lion. Member gave notice that at five o'clock to-
morrow he would move that this petitioa be priutod.
Sir G. GREY presented a petition from Northamp-
ton against Church-rates.

Mr. HODGES gave notice that in Committee on
the Poor•la:v Amendment Bil he should move tl.at a
Medical Director should be appointed to superintend all
matters relative to affording medical relief to the poor.
Mr. HUME postponed his notice of motion for
copies of the correspondence betwcea the Government
and the United State; Government till to-morrow week,
as he was unwiiling to force on a discussion which must
come on after the next arrival.
MAYNOOTH COLLEGE.

Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL, seeing tie Hon. Member
for Kilmarnock in his place, wished to ask him whether
there.would be any chance of their seeing the Bill re-
lating to Ala)nooth, Lave to bring in which he had ob-
tained some weeks ago, before Easter ?
Mr. COLQUHOUN said he would bring it in to-
morrow.

CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL.
Order of thetva,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it would be most
convenient if the House would allow him to move the
orro
dllantendseFtunn-ind
was
tyb6cfronsrrethe third reading of the Consoli-
w.....tilesodmtnhvaetditnemeingrlditinggeity.to the other
POOR-LAW a a third time, and passed.
AMENDMENTsa ACT.
Ll:redßJil.l RUSSELL that before moving the
amendments
state generally the
clauses
that had been
Poor-law
which he in-
next Order of the Day he would
number of
various times, and
oofr-law Amendment
view he took of some of the
proposed, and mention the
ha
greatnt
givennti
tended to introduce into
which were not arranged upon the
Votes acco •
to any distinct method, it .was impossible for him, and
wi3llliiic.h An
notice cteo
the House would not expect it, either that he should
and
should
go through the various amendments, or that he
should
be able to state them in any correct or precise form
But he would state first the clauses which he on.
posed himself to introduce. In the first place,
:,
he proposed to introduce a clause, according
to the suggestion of the Noble Lord opposite the
Member for Monmouthshire (Lord G. Somerset),
limiting the number of Assistant-Commissioners in

England and Weiss. He int eded to iiinit tl,e rao.:
to thirteen. Then with respect to the qu< st'oi as to,
the size of the union. He had commulicstec
with the Commissiohers, a!,,1 he intended to propasa! a
clause which would enable the gusrdisns to for.::
local committees is unions of a certain s]zts. He did not
w,311 to reason on that occasion upon this iritter, but it
would be obvious to the House that in many in,ta less
wh; n unioas had been formed of a large size, and what
might be thought inconvenient, that it would be vary
undesirable, in consequence of the arrangements
of the workhouses, to break up these unions,
and he thought that by having Committees sittimeg in
different places, the whole object of Hon. Mem!iers
would be attained. He also intended to propose a
clause which would alter the provision in the
Poor-law Act, whit respect to the
emigration
Amendment
and
should also propose
a clause with respect to the scales of voting more rescm•
q u fund ;
bling the mode established by the Irish Poor law Amend-
tosait, and that adopted in the English Registration Acts.
In one clause in which it was said that parishes were
to be divided into wards, with a population of, he
thought. 8,000, he proposed to increase that number
to It?.,000, with a proviso that it should nr.t go by popu-
lation, but by the number of houses. With respect to
the amendments, to which it seemed to him that he
could at once give his support, there was one amendment
proposed with respect to the definition of a general
rule. He thought that definition much better than the
one which now stood in the Bill, and that it would
lessen the number of rules to be considered as general
rules. There were some clauses with respect to reli-
gious instruction, and the attendance of workhouse
paupers a± places ofpublic worship, which he could not say
he was prepared to adopt as they stood. The Ho-
nourable Member for West Somerset proposed a
clause relative to the removal of paupers, which he
would support. Another clause, referring to the ap-
pointment of Assistant Commissioners as district
auditors—that was a useful clause. He thought
it advisaVe that the salaries of officers should
be sanctioned by a yearly vote of that House,
as were the salaries of the Assistant-Commissioners.
An amendment was proposed to the clause relating to
the sending of children to district schools ; he
proposed to adopt that clause with some additions.
The Hon. Member for Preston proposed an amend-
ment with respect to the appointment of guardians to
their offices. He would support that clause.
Toe Honourable Member for Leicester proposed
an amendment with respect to enabling the guar-
dians to order out-door relief to persons above
the ago of sixty years, also to enable them to order
out door relief to widows with families. He thought
that there might be some danger in adopting that
clause exactly as it stood. With respect to the
clauses proposed by the Noble Lord opposite
on the
_subject of rating, he thought these
clauses would be extremely useful, and he should there-
fore support them. The Right Hoc. Gentleman the
Member for Kent, had given notice of some clause
with respect to the application of the produce of the
rate of parish property to the liquidation of claims
upon the parish ; he thought, to a certain extant, that
principle might be adopted, but the latter portion of the
clause required further consideration. The Right Hon.
Baronet the Member for Tamworth had proposed an
amendment with respect to persons asking tor alms,
and suggested that the terms in the Vagrant Act
should be introduced. Now he (Lord J. IL) thought
it might be as well, to remove all doubt upon the subject,
to introduce the amendment of the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman. There were several other amendments which
he was not at present prepared to give an opinion
upon, but he thought it would be useful to state
to the House what his intentions were with
respect to those to which he had alluded, and
he trusted the House would pay the greatest
attention to the discussion of the various clauses
of a Bill, which must be admitted on all hands to be of
the most important nature.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. GRIMSDITCH wished to ask whether it was
intended in the proposed reduction of the size of unions
to separate the towns from the agricultural districts ?
Lord J. RUSSELL proposed that a Committee
should be appointed to adjudicate upon the most pressing
claims that arose, but he did not mean to propose any
reduction in the size of the unions.
COPYHOLD TENURES BILL.

Mr. G. W. HOPE said perhaps it would be con-
venient for him to state the course which be meant
to take upon this Bal. He proposed to go into
Committee pro forma this day week, then to allow it to
stand over until after Easter, and thee to take the dis-
cussion upon it at its recommitment.

re were a number or individuals in town at pre teet 1
•.1- the Furdosil of w'weliu:g- the plogiess tit the 13,.1,
,Lo would be glo:,,tly inconvenionced by any d.2lte,
—(Hear, hear.) The amendments which be proposed
'0 make Ivere net amereimenls it a'l alfectin; the
principle of the B:il. Oa these grounds be certainly
would prefer to pinece.l at once with the Bid in its
present tot in.
Mr. HUME said the Hon. Member was scarcely
in a condition to proceed with the 13.11. The Bill which
the Hon. Member obtained leave to bring in was ,
to regulate the law as to copyright of designs on
woven fabrics of cottons, &c. ; but the Bill
now before the Houso extended its provisions to
designs of metals, mixed metals, glass, shawls,
sod every other description of our manufactures, and
must take all manufacturers in those branches by
surprise ; they had got no notice whatever
of the intentions of the Honourable Member. Even
now the preamble of the Bill was incomplete. If
the Honourable Member had intende I to in-
elude every sort of manufacture wherein de-
sign formed part, he ought to have said so in
his preamble in order that all who were to be affected
by it might have had notice. He was aware that the
13.11 had brought many gentlemen from distant parts
of the country to London, but the que tion was not one
of convenience to them, but whether the House of Com-
mons ought to discuss a Bill so different from that
which the Hon. Member obtained leave to bring in. In
his opinion each of the articles enumerated in the Bill
ought to have been proposed in a Committee
of the whole House and there discussed. That not
having been done, he would ask the Chair whe-
ther they were in a condition to proceed with
the Bill. He submitted to the Honourable
Member that the best thing he could do would be to
adopt the suggestion of the R;ght Honourable
Gentleman, the President of the Board of Trade,
amend his Bill, and give notice to all whose interests
were to be affected, and bring it on on a future day.
Mr. E. TENNENT said the Hon. Member had
stated this measure ought to have originated in a resolu-
tion of the House. Now, if he would turn to the Votes
of the Bth of March he would find a resolution had been
actually passed.
Mr. HUME—Read it ; there is nothing about glass
or metal in it.

Mr. E. TENNENT continued—The Bill was drawn

in perfect a-xordance with that resolution. Since the
principle of the Bill had been agreed to by her Ma-
jesty's Government, and parties had agreed that some
such Bill was ne2essary, he would not detain the House
with any arw utnents in support of it. There was one
point, however, to which he wished to draw the
attention of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Pre-
sident of the Board of Trade. Great importance
had been attached to the statements of the parties in-
terested in the measure. There were 179 firms in the

three kingdoms, and of all those there were only thirty-
six opposed to the Bill. There were 3,000 printing-
houses in the United Kingdom, and of these only 1,319
were against the measure. Many of the manufacturers
of Belfast complained that for want of sufficient protec-
tion being given by the present law, they were frequently
at a great loss, in consequence of goods remaining on
their hands after the expiration of the copyright. With
respect to what had been said relative to the establish-
ment of schools of design, unless some protection was
extended to those schools there would not be the

the Flightest use in the establishment of them. One
gentleman in Dablin had stated to him that he
could give employment in designs to an extent for
which he would have to pay between 8001. and 1,0001.
a year, and that he was willing to take a large number
of boy s, but on applying to their parents he met with a
refusal. Generally the parents of those boys were well
apprised of the prevalence of piracy and copying in Eng-
land, and they stated to the gentlemen that if they sent
the boys to a school of design they would not get pay-
ment fur their industry, that, the copyright was not pro-
tected, and that, therefore, their children would be la-
bouring to no purpose. With respect to what the Hon.
Member for Kilkenny had stated relative to improving
the taste of the producers of designs by admission
to the public galleries, he (Mr. E. 'l'ennent) would tell
him that that was not the way to bring about that
desirable object.• They should regularly educate them
in schools of design, and thereby their taste would be
really improved. The Hon. Member concluded by
moving that the Bill be recommitted.
Mr. HUME objected to the recommittal of the Bill,
as it was contrary to the rules of the House. He
begged the Clerk would read the motion upon which
the Bill was first introduced to the House, and they
would then learn what were the inti.nt: ons of the Hon.
Member.
The Clerk then read the Order of the 9th of Feb.
ruary, which was for leave to bring in a Bill to extend
the term of the copyright of designs of printed and
woven fabric and paper.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the Hon.
Gentleman meant to introduce glass, metal, carpets,

and other articles in that Bill, when he first introduced
it. He complained that the House and the country
was taken by surprise, because the rules of the House
carefully guarded against any alteration being made in
matters affecting the trade or commerce of
the country, and they required that every such
alteration should be made in a Committee of the whole
House. He submitted that the Hon. Gentleman's Bill
was irregular, and having stated thus much, he hope) to
hear if there was any resolution of the House, or any
instruction to the Committee, to depart from the rule
laid down so carefully for so many years.
Mr. LABOUCH-ERE said he did not rise to ex-
press any opinion on the technical point that had been
raised. The rule was that all Bills relating to ma•tars
of trade should be introduced in Committee, but on

questions like the present, the House only required a re-
solotion of a general nature. The Hon. Geneeinan
;Mr. Hume) said the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Mx.
E. Tennent) had attempted to take the House by sur-
prise, but if he recollected the discussion that took
pl lei: on the second reading, ho would allow that this
was not the case. it was then, he believe], unani-
mously agreed, that whatever might be the opinions
respecting particular points of the Bill, that the law on
this subject, instead of being scattered in four or five
Acts of Parliament should be collected into. a single
Bill ; and, therefore, to go iota Committee on the pre-
sent occasion, would not be a surprise to the House.
He should regret that any technical point should pre-
vent their proceeding to the discussion of the Ilih in
Committee. The Hon. Member (Mr, Hume) had
objected to glass, metals, &c., being included in the 13111,
and said that the question had not been raised before ;
but 'it should be remembered that they were about to
consolidati the law. It nos, therefore, not right to
object to the course adopted as unfair, since the Bill
had Loco drawn up for particular cases, but was now
become a general 13i11.—(He ir, hear.)

Mr. WARBURTON said that if a B:11 were intro-
duced into the House, affecting trade and manufactures,
and during the progre's of the Bill it was desired to in-
troduce a clause affecting any particular trade or manu-
facture not before mentioned in the Bill, that clause
must be introduced in a Committee of the wlio'e House.
It was like a money clause in a Bill. The House at
present did not know what part of the Bit was ori-
ginal, and what was not ; and he would suggest to the
lion. Gentleman that he should follow the recommen-
dation of the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Presideat of
the Board of Trade, to reprint the Bill, with indica-
tions in the margin as to what was the old law, and
what was new.

Mr. WILLIAMS said, that in the second reading
of the Bill, the Hon. Member had been requested to
consolidate all the Acts relating to the copyright of
design. But the Bill tiow under discussion contained
many important provisions, which were not t ) be found
in the Bill when it was read a second time, nor in any
of the Acts which it purported to consolidate. He
wished to draw the attention of the House to three
most important articles of manufacture, in which it
was proposed to make great alterations. It was pro-
posed to extend the copyright of designs on carpets, on
glass, and on cloth, from t.velve months to three years.
These were also other most important provisions
which were not to be found in the Bill as it
stood when it was originally introduced, nor in any
of the laws at present in existence on the subject
which it was proposed to consolidate. There was one
provision of this nature of great importance, which
had been introduced into this Bill, and of which all
those interested in the trade ought certainly to have
had due notice. By the Gth clause it was provided
that no person should apply such design to any manu-
facture, or any part or portion of such design, either
by adding to such design, or subtracting or taking any
parts or portions from such design. Now, what
would be the effect of that clause? Why, if any
calico printer ordered his designer to furnish ten or
fifteen patterns containing the common objects which
usually entered into the composition of patterns, it
would be perfectly impossible for any patterns to be
drawn by any other person during the continuance of
the copyright. He entirely acquitted the Hon. Mem-
ber of any intention of producing such an extraordi-
nary effect, but the fact was, the Hon. Member for
Belfast had undertalien to legislate on a subject
with which he had no practical acquaintance, and that
such, therefore, should be the effects of his legi:lation
could not be a matter of surprise. A measure of such
importance to manufacturers generally ought not to be
left to the care of an individual Member. The Go-
vernment ought to have taken up the subject,
and no one was so fitted to introduce such
a measure as the President of the Bourd of Trade.

It was too much that a question of this great impor-
tance should be left to be brought forward by gentle-
men who were totally unacquainted with those manu-
factures which were to be so much affected by this Bill.
The object should be deeply and seriously considered
by the Government before they undertook to support
a Bill which would effect so great a change in many
important branches of our manufactures. The Hon.
Gentleman who introduced the Bill had stated to the
House that he intended to make many.important alte-
rations. He understood that it was also the intection
of gentlemen who were opposed to this Bill to propose
extensive alterations. Now he thought that the altera-

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a

pot.ents of the 8.1.1 ou.:.t to ; e tee Hoe. L;

fore it was proceeded with in Committee. The B• 11 as
it then stood was encumbered with nviny unaisa pr,vi-
sions. It was v.:ry necessary that they should
what alterations were intended to be tr:a 1,. IL-,
Cterefore, hoped that the Hon. G,!tttlemao who 1. i it,
troduced the Uhf would Hoti-y r opo,r 0-
nity of going into the questiee. This ,t.as the
more desirahle, because tee subj!ct was only under-
stood by very few Members of that House.
He would undertake to Pay that there were
not twenty Members of that House who could
judge of the practical effect of this le.:islation upon the
trade of the country. He hoped the Hon. Gentlem
in justice both to the House and to himself, would con-
sent to heve the Bill rev.ititqd with the alterations which
he himself intended to propose, as well as the amend-
ments which were intended to be proposed by the op-
ponents of the Bill.
Mr. MARK PHILIPS thought it only due to
the Hon. Metnber for Belfast to declare his helief that
he had not t tken any steps in reference to this measure
which could justly draw upon him the animadversion of
the House. He was quite certain that he had not in-
troduced it without the knowledge and concurrence of
the House. But the question for consideration was
whether in the steps which had been taken with refer-
ence to this Bill, they bad adhered to the strict rule
applicable in such cases. They ought to have gone into
a Committee of the whole House upon the proposel to
consolidate the former Acts in reference to this subject.
He trusted that his Hon. Friend would adhere to the
regular course. In making this remark he had no in-
tention to delay the measure any more than w:ls abso-
lutely necessary. He was quite prepared to go on with
it if such were the decision of the House, but he
must say that some of the clauses of the Bi'l
was not so generally known as they should be,
and as the Hon. Gentleman had intimated his intention
of making some further alterations, he would suggest to
him whether it would not be better to have the Bill re-
printed before it was considered by the Committee.
Perhaps the Speaker would have the kindness to state
what was his opinion upon the sulsject. He appre
!tended that they ought to have gone into Committee to
have brought the first clauses of the Bill before the
House, but that if they had omitted what was regular
with reference to these clauses, they were still in a posi-
tion to go into Committee upon the other clauses of the
Bid. It was a question of convenience to the parties
out of doors whether it would he better to go partially
into Committee or wait until the Bill had been printed
with the amendments.

Sir R. PEEL said the standing order of the House
was, that no Bill relating to trade or the alteration of
lows concerning tale shoal be brought into the
House until its provisions had been first considered by
a Committee of the whole House, and agreed to by the
How. He thought it would be too much to contend
when the 11:11 had been brought in in pursuance of a
resolution of the House, and at a subsequent stage it
was proposed to append to it. an article not originally
included, that it was absolutely necessary to have
a distinct Committee in reference to that particular ar-
ticle. If, for instance, in the case of a Bill relating to
linen, cotton, and muslin', it was proposed to acid calico,
it would in his opinion ha perfectly open in Committee
upon the Bill to add calico without going through the
form of a resolution. In the present instance glass un-
doubtedly was not an object similar to those originally
included in the Bill. They ought not to legislate in
reference to glass without giving the glass manufac-
turers an opportunity of seeking to obtain a Committee
of the House upon that subject. It appeared to him
that the main point of difference was the extent of the
measure. The question with which the House woult'
have to deal was the extent of the protection ; arid it
appeared to him that it would be desirable to adopt
the course pursued by the Noble Lord in reference to
the Poor-law, namely, to take the sense of the House
upon one or two main points. It would be very satis-
factory to those who were waiting in London to know
what was the sense of the House in reference to the
articles to be included.

Mr. HUME appealed to the Speaker whether in
point of form they could proceed with the 8111. It
proposed to alter the laws relating to trade in a variety
of articles, and with respect to them, the Bill was not
founded upon a resolution of the whole House in Com-
mittee. If the rule was a good one, as he believed it
wag, it ought to be adhered to strictly, as it had been on
former occasions.
Mr. GOULBURN wished to state how the case
stood. On the 9th of February his Hon. Friend, the
Member for Belfast obtained leave to bring in a Bill
founded upon a resolution of a Committee of the whole
House for altering the law of copyright with respect to
woven fabrics of cotton, &c., mid the Bill in strict con-
formity he brought in. In the discussion on the second
reading of the Bill it was suggested that the principles
of the Bill might be extended with great advantage to
other manufactures, and the Committee was instructed
accordingly. Under such citcumstances he appre-
hended that the rule was this—the Committee might
proceed with the Bill, for it was clear that if the House
give an instruction to a Committee which they had not
power to do, on the third reading those clauses which
violated the forms of the House would be struck out.

The SPEAKER apprehended that nothing could
be more regular than the first introduction of the Bill.
The instructions afterwards given were not, in his opinion,
so regular ; it was clear that if the Bill proposed to alter
the law with respect to many articles other than
those considered in the Committee of the a hole House,
those parts of the Bill could not now be taken into
consideration. That, however, was not fatal to the
Bill. The Cormdttee might proceed with the Bill,
taking into consideration those articles which were con-
sidered by the Committee of the whole House, and
leaving out of consideration articles not so included.
Mr. WARBURTON said after that explanation
from the Chair he trusted that the Hon. Member for
Belfast would feel that it was impossible to proceed
with the 8111. The subjects or articles were so blended
together that it was impossibly to separate them.

Mr. E. TENNENT found the objections so nu-
merous, aad the difficulties so increasing, that he must
consent to the sug;esti:•n of the Right Hon. the Pre-
sident of the Board of Trade. He would go into
Committee pro forma ; but, considering the great im-
poitance of the Bill, and the interest take,' in it by
both sides of the House, he trusted the Noble Lord
would consent to givo him an early day for its consi-
deration.

Lord J. RUSSELL, being most anxious to proceed
with the Poor-law Amendment Bill, could not give
the Hon. Member any other day before Easter than
Wednesday next.
Sir R. PEEL said, as his Hon. Friend, from the
course which the discussion had taken, would of ne-
cessity have to make many alterations, he could not be
expected to go int, Committe.3 pro forma imme-
diately ; be could not be prepared to strike out the
clauses respecting glass, &c:, on tile moment. It should
then be postponed till to-morrow, that the Bill could
be re-printed in the state in which it would be sub-
mitted to a Committee of the whole house.

Mr. HUME suggested that the Biil should be with-
drawn altogether, and then to introduce a new Bill,
which he was satisfied would meet with no opposition
till it arrived at i's present stage.—(lle4r, hear.)
Mr. LABOUC HERE said a few words which were
inaudible in the gallery.
Sir R. PEEL thought, the most judicious course
would be to bring in a new Bill.—( Hear, hear.) From
the disposition the lion. Member had shown to meet
the views of the House, Le was satisfied that no ob-
stacles woull be thrown in the way of advancing it to its
present stage.
Mr. S HIEL said there appeared to be a general

feeling that, the Bill should be withdrawn. lie must
say, however, that he was partly to bl►►ne, bec►use he
had suggested to the Hon. Member to consolidate all
the Acts referring to copyright of designs. The sug-
gestion of the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for

Taaiworth, to let the Bill drop and bring in a new on",
appeared to be a wise one. He could then take a re-
solution which would form a ba-is sufficiently extensive
to embrace all the points included in his Bill.
Sir GEORGE CLERK thought leave might be
given to bring in a Bill to-morrow, and the discussion
in Committee might take place nt-xt week.
The motion was then withdrawn.

Mr. E. TEN NENT gave notice of a Committee 01
the whole House for to-morrow, to take into coasidera•
Lion all the Acts relating to the copyright of designs.
The Putative Fathers Bill was, on the motion of Mr.
MILES, read a second time, and ordered to be con►-
mitted on Wednesday, the 23d April.
COUNTY CORONERS.

On the Order of the Day for going into Committee
on the County Coroners' Bill being real,
Col. WOOD thought the Bill went to eatahl:sh al-
together a new principle of election, and he should
therefore oppose the Bill, and take the sense of the
House upon it when it was to he discussed in Commit-
tee, unless it was previously altered. He understood
that the present motion was merely to commit the Bill
pro forma, and therefore he should not offer any oppo-
sition.
Tho House then went into Committee pro forma, and
the Report was ordered to be taken into consideration
on Wednesday, the sth May.
DRAINAGE OF LANDS BILL.

Oa the motion that the House resolve itself into
Committee on the Driinage of Lands Bill,
Mr. CRAVEN BERKELEY said that unless he
saw some alteration made in the all he would move
the amendmeat, of which he had given notice, on the
first opportunity.
Mr. HUME wished to know whether there MIS any
clause in the Bill providing that regular accounts be
furnished of the income and expenditure under the Bill.
He thought that a clause ought to ha introduced into
the Bill similar *to the one in the Public Roads Bill, for
the purpose of letting it ho known what amount of
money was received, and how that money was expended.
Mr. HANDLEY made some observations, which
were inaudible in the gallery.
The Bill then passed through Committee pro forma,
and the House resumed.

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