The Sun.
London, England, 1841-09-28 00:00:00

THE SUN. LONDON. TiJESDA V, SEPTEMBER 28, 1.41.

Mr. RicenDo--The recommendation of the Commit-
tee was framed so as, if possible, to avoid these'conti-
nual special meetings. The general meeting might be
held within five or six weeks.
Major RICHARDSON had no objection to wait that time.
The CHAIRMAN said, if they fixed upon six weeks from
that time all the accounts would be ready.
Major ItICIIA EDSON thought that an object worth wait-
: ing for, and had no objection to the postponement.
The CHAIRMAN said the great object was to have all
the accounts ready, and the Secretary said it would take
till very !Indy the middle of November. He therefore
proposell that the meeting should take place on or before
the efrth of November.
A PROPRIETOR objected to the word " received " in
the resolution. He did not think the Report of the
Committee had yet been received.
The CHAIRMAN said the resolution was in the very
words of the advertisement calling the meeting. They
were to receive or reject the Report of the Committee.
The resolution was then put and agreed to unani-
mously.
Mr. JACKSON complained of the manner in which
the Report had been got up. It had been prepared to
meet the views of the Directors, who had appointed their
personal friends on the Committee.—(Loud cries
of "No, no.") He should forego his
.rights as a
Partner, and forfeit his independence as a man,
if he consented to receiving the Report. If
it should come into his possession, he should tear it
to pieces, and trample it under his feet.----(Hisses, and
cries of " Shame !") He was not satisfied with the ap-
pointment of Mr. Freshfield, and should move a Com-
mittee upon the subject. The Directors had no right to
make that appointment without consulting the Share-
holders. The statements of the report were full of mis-
statements, and was a disgrace to them. He complained of
the manner in which the meetinghad treated thegentleman
near him (Major Richardson). They had met his ob-
servations with marked scorn and contempt.
Major RICHARDSON—That I deny. I totally deny it.
—(Cheers.)
Mr. JACKSON resumed.—The calls made by the Direc-
tors were illegal, and he or his friends should never pay
them.

Major RICHARDSON said, as some of his friends
seemed to have an idea that the receiving the report
would be in some way binding upon them, he begged to
say that they were not bound by the resolution, but
would discuss the report at the next meeting,—(Hear.)
The CHAIRMAN presumed, that having agreed to a
resolution to discuss the Report at their neat meeting,
they would not now entertain the resolution, of which
notice had been given, for the immediate dissolution of
the Company, as that would be at variance with the one
that had just been passed.
Mr. WILKINSON said, as the Report had only been
read once to the meeting, it was important that the
portion of it referring to the dissolution of the Company
should be distinctly understood, as it might otherwise
prejudice their interests. lie wished to know whether
the Report did not diseinctly recommend that no steps
should be taken that would interfere with the carrying
on the business of the Company ?
Mr. RICARDO said the Hon. Gentleman was perfectly
correct. It recommended that the operations of the
Company should be carried on exactly as if they were to
continue the Company in its present form.
Mr. HoRsLEv PALMER thought it of very great im-
portance that that should be distinctly understood, be-
cause the value of mineral property was greatly affected
by the permanency and character of the works.—
(ilear, hear.) Although the works and property of the
CoMpany were of considerable value, it would be
perhaps impossible, under such circumstance, to
get any person to purchase it. If the works
were suddenly stopped in the first instance it
would totally destroy the value of the property.—
(Hear, hear, hear.) If it were practicable to dis-
solve and provide for the liabilities of the Company it
would certainly be the shortest way, but that it
was im-
possible to do, and they must go on with it until they
found buyers who would carry it on on their own ac-
count. The Congreave Works had obtained a high
name and character in the trade, but if they were
suddenly stopped it would destroy their value as a
property to a great extent.—(Hear.)
The CereeesraN, to prevent misconception, would
read the passage in the Report :—" It is necessary,
however, that the works should be maintained in com-
plete action to prevent their deterioration pending their
sale, or any other final arrangement respecting them, and
consequently that orders for iron should be taken as
heretofore, and any portion of these orders remaining
over should be provided for in the conditions of sale."—
(Hear, hear.) Now, he thought that recommendation
extremely necessary, considering the large orders for
iron they received, and the extensive value of their busi-
ness, and it would be extremely injudicious to throw
any doubts upon the character of the works. It did
not follow that others might not manage these. works
with advantage, because it was admitted that they
were extremely valuable, but under the circum-
stances in which the :Company were placed—after the
litigation which had lasted for so many years, and the
great expense entailed on them, it would appear as
if they were not the instruments by which these works
could be carried on with advantage. He hoped it would
not go forth to their rivals in trade that they might
have these works for nothing, or that they would be
taken altogether out of the field of competition, because
if they did that they would be doing the greatest injury
to their own property. When. the iron trade was in a
healthy condition he had no doubt but the profits on
these works would be very considerable.
Mr. RICARDO reminded the Chairman that in one
pert of the Report it was distinctly stated that these
works could be carried on with great advantage, and that
the statement of profits made by the Directors appeared
to be fair and reasonable.
Major RICHARDSON said neither himself, nor the
Shareholders who acted with him, were inclined to depre-
ciate the value of the works, because they had sent per-
sons down who had minutely examined the work; and
had considered them fully worth the money
that had been paid for them, lie also d
of the manner in which it was proposedv to
carry on the works, as lie thought it would tend to
increase, 'or at all events'to maintain, the character of
the works, to continue them in operation. Ile would re-
mind the meeting that for land of the very same quality
as theirs Lord Dudley asked 2,0001. per acre, and there-
fore their 200 acres must be worth a very considerable
sum.

The Cmunmart said there was no further business
before them, and the meeting then separated.

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THE LONDON GAZETTE

(THIS EVENING.)

ST. JAMES'S-PALACE,SEPT. 24, 1841.
The Queen has been pleased to appoint Captain the Ho-
nourabble Arthur Duncombe, of the Royal Navy, to be ene
of
the Grooms in Waiting in Ordinary to her Majesty.

ST. JAMES'S-PALACE, SEPT. 25.
The Queen has been pleased to appoint Frances-Elizabeth
Viscountess Jocelyn to be one of the Ladies of the Bee!climber
in Ordinary to her Majesty.

WHITEHALL, SEPT. 27.
The Queen has been nleased to direct letters patent to be
passed under the Seal appointed by the Treaty of Union to be
made use of in place of the Great Seal of Scotland, nominating
and appointing John Douglas Edward Henry Duke of Argyll
to be Keeper of the said Seal.

DOWNING-STREET, SEPT. 27.
The Queen has been pleased to appoint the Right Hon.
Sir Charles Bagot, G.C.8., to be Captain-General and Go-
vernor-ia-Chief of her Majesty's Provinces of Canada, New
Brunswick, and Nova Scotia, and of the Island of Ptince
Edward; and Governor-General cf all her Majc sty's provinces
on the Continent of Not th America, and of the island of Prince
Edward.

CROWN OFFICE, SEPT. 427,
3IEIVIBERS RETURNED TO SERVE IN THIS PRESENT
PARLIA MENT.
COUNTY OF CORNWALL (Eastern Division) —The Right Honourable Edward Granville Eliot, commonly called Lord
Eliot.
COUNTY OF ABERDEEN—Captain the Honourable Will'am
Gordon, R. N.
COUNTY OF WIIST3IORLAND•••WiIIiarn Thompson, of
Whitehall-place, iu the city of Westminster, and of Pony-
durran-honse, in the county of Glamorgan, Esq., and one of
the Aldermen of the city of London, in the room of the Right
Honourable William Lowther, commonly called Viscount Low-
ther, now Baron Lowther, one of the Peers of the United
Kingdom.

COUNTY OF BUTE—The Right Hon. Sir William Rae, of
St. Catherine's, Dart.

BoKoucH orizsau R.N. —Henry Meyneil, Esq., Captain, R.N
COUNTY OF MoNstourii—The Right Hon. Charles Henry
Somerset, commonly called Lord Granvilles Charles Henry
Somerset.

OFFICE OF ORDNANCE, SErr. 27.
Royal Regiment of Artillery—Captain and Brevet-Major
E. Cruttenden to be Lieutenant-Colonel, vice Story, deceased;
Second Captain H. Wi to be Captain, vice Cruttenden;
First Lieutenant J. W. Ormsby to be Second Captain, vice
Williams; Second Lieutcract S. Clcaveland to be kirrt tenant, vice Ormsby, Sept. 16.
Corps of Royal Engineem —Second Captain T. C. Lux•.
moor, to be Captain, vice Baruu, retired on half-pay; First
Lieutenant It. Fenwick to be Second Captain, vice Lux:noore,
promoted; Second Lieutenant A. P. H. Dae:lsta to be First
Lieutenant, vice Fenwick, Sept. 14.

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DECLARATION OF INSOLVENCY,
WILLIAM BROOME, linendraper, Oxford-street.
BANKRUPTS.
i HENRY WILLIAM HORHOUSE, JOHNSON
, to fur-
i render Oct. 11, and Nov. 9, at eleven, Bath
at ;h White Har
Inn, Bath. English, Bath ; Burfoot, King's e Beneh•walkt
,
Temple, London.
JOHN MORRISH, rnaltster, Keynsham, Somereetshire,
tolOct. 16, and Nov. 9, at one, .at the Commercial-rooms, Bris-
. Burre.foot, Temple, London; Bush, Beach Bitton, Glou-
stershi
JAMES LITTLE, banker, Manchester, Oct. 11, and Nov.
9, at eleven, at the Commissioners'-rooms Manchester. John-
son Son, and Weatherall, Temple, London; Hitchcock, Man-
eheker.

BENJAMIN RIJSHFORTH BROADBENT, flanne
manufacturer, Rochdale, Lancashite, Oct. 11, and Nev. 9, at
c'even, at the Commissioners -roams, Manches'er. Willis,
Bowe-, and Willis, Tekenhouse-yard, Lott:bitty, London;
Also"), M anebeat er.
JOHN RICHAN, THO3IAS RICHAN, and JAMES
BLAKE, braziers, Sunderland, Oct. 22 at one, and Nov. 9
at eleven, ac the Thompson Arms Inn, Sunderland.
GALES ATKINSON, hardwareman, Monkwearmouth
Shore, Sunderland, Oct. 14, and Nov. 9„ at twelve, at the
Bridge Hotel, Sunderlan. Swain, Stevens, and Co , Frede-
riek's-place' Old Jewry, London ; Young and White, Bishop
Wearmouth.

WILLIAM FREDERICK REUSS, merchant. Liverpool,
Oct. 19, and Nov. 9, at two, at the Clarendon-Rooms, Liver-
pool. Chester and Toulmin, Staple-inn, London; Davenport
andC°il;er,PLiLveLrlpoToTl.
MARY O , fustian dyer, Charlestown, Lancashire,
Oct. 16, and Nov. 9, at two, at the Commissioners'-Rooms,
Manchester. Wigleswoith, Ridsdale, and Craddock, Gray's
lan-square, London; Stainbank, Manchester.
THOMAS WILSON, builder, Kingston-upon-Hull, Oct.
5 and Nov. 9, at eleven, at the George Inn,. Kingston-upon-
Hull. Tilson, Squance, and Tilson, Coleman-street, London ;
Wells, Kingston- upon-Hu,l.
JOEL Ai ORCOM, grocer, St. Ives, Cornwall, Oct. 16,
at Pearce's Hotel, Truro, and Nov. 9, at Pearce's Hotel, Pen-
zance, at eleven. Surr, Lombard-street, London ; Lockyer
and Bulteel, Plymouth.
JAMES PARKINSON, cotton spinner, lloorgate Fold,
Lancashire, Oct. 19, and Nov. 9, at one, at the Town-hall,
Preston. Ainsworth and Son, or Swift, Blackburn; or Bower
and Back, Chancery-lane, London.

BLOCKADE OF
CARTHAGENA,

(From the London Gazette of this Evening.)
• FOREIGN-OFFICE, SEPT. 28, 1841.
The Earl of Aberdeen, hey Majesty's Principal Secre-
tary of State for Foreign Affairs, has received a dis-
patch from the British Vice-Censul at Santa Martha,
in New Grenada, dated the 30th of July 1841,• in-
closing the following translations of Decrees .which
have . - been issned by the .Authorities existing
in the State cf Alanza:larcs, respeetiag a blockade of
Carthagena de Colombia
Francisco Antonio Obregon, Governor of thq State Man-
zanares, and invested With extraordinary powers,

Decrees,
Ist That the port of Carthagena is hereby declared
in a state of blockade.

2d. To carry the some into execution, and to prevent
the importation of provisions, as well as to obstruct and
cut off the escape of rebels from the said city, the Com-
►manding Officer of the Squadien, Jose Antonio Padilla,
is duly authorised to act in concert and under the orders
of his Excellency the Governor-General in Chief.
3d. Should any merchant vessel, whether national or
foreign, appear before the port mentioned, Captain
Padilla will order her to retire, and if, after his noti-
fication, the vessel should attempt to violate the block-
ade, she will be captured and adjudged according to law.
4th. Having already )btainecl some advantages over
that city, and as there is every probability of its sur-
rendering before fifteen clays elapse, notice will be given
to Consuls resident city, enclosing them the pre-
sent decree, without tie usual formality of an anti-
cipated declaration of blockade generally observed in
these cases.
Given in the Government-house, this Bth day of July
1841.

(Signed) FRANCISCO ANTO. OBREGON,
In absence of the Seem tart', Hen rique Ruiz.

F.tancisco Carmona, Commander in Chief of the Federal
State of Mazanares, is the Republic of New • Grenada,
and General in Chief etthe Operating Forces.
Ist. That, in consequence of the treason of a chief,
the-. city of earth:ln-eat has been delivered over to
the Agents of toe eenttal,Government, contrary to the
deliberate vote of the majority of its ineabitants, the
only legitimate basis of power in the present state of

2el. That .the public opinion of the people of the
said province of Carthgena, and to fulfil the duty
which devolves upon Pe in that of Manzanares, to
insure its existence ttMer the federal form, I have
commenced militarroperations, both by sea and land,
with the object of reducing to obedience the disaffected
of said city, and thus to consolidate the predominance of
the opinion voluntarily expressed by the citizens, who,
using their natural rigtts and privileges of a sovereign
people, have separated themselves from the Central Go-
vernment of Bogota, and organized another form, better
suited to their happiness and prosperity.
3d. That, notwithstnwiing the hostile measures which
it is indispensable to adolt to compel the town of Car •
thagena to surrender, t is not wished in any way to
prefudice' the interests of foreign commerce, thus giving
to friendly nations, with vhom there are existing treaties,
a positive proof of the respect which at all times they
have for their properties and the desire on our part to
cultivate and increase, is far as possible, friendly and
mercantile relations withal! the nations in the world.

DECREE.
Article Ist. The portof Carthrzena is declared in
a state of blockade.

2d. To carry into effect the blockade, and id order to
prevent the idtroductionof provisions and elements of
war into that city, the C)mmancler, Jose Antonio Pa-
diila is sufficiently authoised, with the :;quadron under
his command, to act in eNn-y way in accordance with the
present Decree, and instructions that will be gived him
separately.
3d. All coasting comet rce is prohibited, not only in
national vessels, but ale, in foreign ones ; in conic-
qwmoe, all merchantmen proceeding from whatever port
of the cosst of New Grenada, are prohibited from enter-
ing the port of Carthagen), ; and, to this effect, they will
be warned to retire, but ifthey persist, with the intention
of entering, if national iessels, the, y will be seized as
prizes, and, if foreign oars, they will be sunk, without taking out any part of their cargo.
4th. All vessels, from say part of Europe, will be al-
lowed eighty days, fioni the publication of this decree,
to crater the port without aolestation with whateitt mer-
chroldise they bring ; time floor the United States will
be allowed forty
all days
Islands will be 1
ed eti those from the West India
twehty flop i mid further,
foreign vessels will be aikked tt 'crater the port, after the
expirationoretard:4'll% of the abt;Te term, after being registered by
the Chief Llockadint squadrn, who not finding on
board pftvisioni or elements of war, which would tend
sr-'
,sruilrirehnedeeroupafetihieedcltjt-o, burettiirfe thferormevertshee,
.antheentrhalnuoceh,etdlianeyg
squadron, _
willport, li
hbveue stssseheLlsokeu l
hd
y etheyny poefr s
theit' invefsosreclisngot

sth. The decree of the Governor of Santa Martha
authorised and issued oh the tlth of July, becomes now
modified, and in its place the present decree, communi-
cated to the Consuls and Coranercial and Consular Agents
of friendly nations in the forts of Carthagena and Santa
Martha, as well as to the Coapanders of foreign vessels of
war stationed at the aforestid ports through the Corn-
munder of the blockading squadron, and will likewise
be published in the official part of the Gazette of the
State of Manzanares.

Given at Head-quarters, at Turbacco, on the 14th of
July, 1841.

- (Signed) FRANCISCO CARINIONA.
Secretary-General, FRANCISCO ROBLES.
True copy, ROBLES.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

(THIS EVENING.)

110 USE OF LORDS.
Their Lordships met t Fire
FROOMORE ESTATE BILL.
On the motion of the Dube of WELLINGTON the
Frogmore Estate Bill sa ,fetid a second time) and ordered
to be committed on Thursday,
The Duke of WELLINGTON. also moved the se-
cond reading of the Itoyal Gardens' Bill,
Lord BROUGHAM said that he understood that this
Bill had received the sanction of the Noble Lord lately
at the head of the Woods and Forests' department, than
whom no person have dver"better. performed the duties
of his office. The Biil, could be well recom-
mended, but he.could not avoid expressing his regret that
applications of this nature'should be so readily re-
sponded to by Parliament, when' he had so much diffi-
culty to wring from them 10,03C4 or 20,00 C/. for the
education of the people. •
Lord ME/BOURNE said, that all who had witnessed
the miserable accommodation for the Queen's horses be-
fore the new stabling was erected, would admit the abso-
lute necessity of the new erection.
After a short conversation, the Bill was read a second
time, and ordered to be committed on Thursday.
The Earl of REMDALE presented a petition from
Wigan, against Sunday trading.
ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE BILL.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL and others brought
up this Bill from the House of Commons.
The Bill was read a first time, and was ordered to be
read a second time on Thursday next.
Adjourned till Thursday.

..
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAREU took the Chair at u few minutes before
Four o'Clock.
The Duke of Marlborougli's.litstate Bid was road tt
second time.
• On the motion of Mr. ESTCOURT, life iblidwilig
business s :--Sir R. Peel,
Member were added to the SeleetCoMlnittee on private
Knatehbll, and Lord C 1 Somerset.
Mr. WAKLEY presented a petition from an indivi-
-1
Lord Stanley, Sir Edward
dual:in Midclkteic, praying that the House would take
measures for making a distinction, under the Poor-laws,
between deserving and undeserving objects ; and that the
CoMmissiin might not be continuedb
beyond July next. •
Sir J. Y. BULLER presented a petition from East
Devon and Dorsetshire, praying that the House would
not consent to any alteration of the present Corn-laws.) i
BRIDPORT ELECTION.
The SPEAIEIt informed the House that a petition
had been received from the electors of Bridport, against
the return of Mr. Bayley Cochrane for that borough.
TIMBER DUTIES.
Lord SANDON presented a petition from 9,000 inha- - bitants of Quebec against the alteration of the timber
duties proposed by the late Government, and complai47
ing that they had not been allowed an opounity of
producing:evidence before the Committee, on the recom-
mendation of which the alteration was proposed,
ELECTION PETITIONS.
Tho SPEAKER 'reported to the .House. that the re-
cognizances for the Election petitions from Belfast and
Waterford were unobjectionable.
NOTICES OF MOTION.
Mr. P. M. STE WAIIT gave rieL:,o -alai; em.i,y next
Session he should bring forward a motion respecting our
commercial relations, put and prese4t, with the island
.
of Java.

CORN-LAWS.

Mr. THORNELY gave notice that early next Sesso.i
his Bon, Colletigue, Mr. Villiers, would move for a Com-
mittee of the whole House to take into consieleration the
Act of the 9th of George IV., regulating the importation
of foreign graiii;
Dr. BOWBING gave notice, on behalf of his Hon.
Friend, the Member for Greenock, that he should,
next Session, bring in a Bill for simplifying the convey-
ance of heritable property in Scotland ' • and also fur
leave to bring in a Bill to expedite business in the
Sheriffs Courts in Scotland, unless a Bill of that
nature should be introduced by the Lord Advocate.
RETURNS-POOR-LAW.
Mr. ESCOTT moved for a return of the sums paid in
the different parishes of England and Wales for the
relief of the poor during the year previous to the passing
of the Poor-law Amendment Act ; also an account of
the sums expended for the relief of the Poor in the
different Unions up to the year closing 1810;
also a return of the number of orders given by Justices
of the Peace for relief out of the House, stating what
relief had been given by the Boards of Guardians in
consequence.—Agreed to.
LIBRARY.
Sir ROBERT 11. INGLIS moved—" That a Stand-
ing Committee of sixteen Members be appointed
to assist Mr. Speaker in the direction of the Li-
brary, to whom shall be referred all 'matters relating
thereto :—Sir Robert Henry Inglis, Mr. Chancellor of
the Exchequer, Sir Robert Peel, Lord John Russell, Mr.
Williams Wynn, the Lord Advocate, Mr. Rutherfurd,
Mr. Shaw, Lord Viscount Palmerston, Mr. Gladstone,
Dr. Stock, Mr. Acland, Col. Fox, Mr. Golly Knight,
Lord Viscount Mahon, and Mr. Pendarves.—Agreed to.
WAYS AND MEANS.
The Report of the Committee on Ways and Means
wus then brought up and agreed to.
ADIIINISTRATIW. OF JUSTICE BILL.
• On the Order of the day for the third reading of the
Administration of Justice (No. 2) Bill being moved,
Mr. WARD said that before the House passed the
Bill he was anxious to draw its attention to a case pre-
cisely' similar to that bearing on the appointment of
the Hon. Member fur Horsham, which he had lately
brought before the consideration of that House. He regret-
ed he was absent last night, as that would have been the
proper time to bring it under the notice of the House. In
1812 an appointment simile r to that made by Lord Abinger
was made In favour of Mr. Brougham, brother to the
then Lord Chancellor. The appointment which had been
conferred upon him was that of Registrar of Affidavits,
and though Lord Brougham said he would abolish it, no
Bill had been brought in, as in the present case ;
no overt-act had been done to give the public a
right to claim the benefit of its abolition. The
moment the vacancy was filled up by Mr. Brougham,
the late member for Rippe, now LOrd Chancel-
lor of Ireland called the attention of the House
to the case, but then that Honourable and Learned
Member had been sitting on the Opposition side of the
House. The Hon. and Learned Member protested
against that appointment, and said it was an useless
waste of the public money, but not a single objection
had been made to the case to which he called the
attention of the House. It was singular what
a change had come over Honourable Members
within eight or nine years, and that they
did not see the force of the arguments which they now
used in the case of Mr. Brougham. The Right Hon.
Baronet the Member for Tamworth said it was impossi-
ble that appointment should be provisional. The Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer, from whom indeed it was
difficult to extract his opinion, yet expressed him-
self the other night in favour of compensation.
Lord Eldon asserted in the House of Lords
that the office filled by that Honourable Member
could not be called a sinecure, which was precisely the
argument of the Attorney and Solicitor-General the
other night, who said it would be impossible to find a
competent person to fill the office with the salary of
2,000/. a-year, unless he had a rewarl for his services
during the term of natural life. Every argument
in the one case applied exactly in the other case,
and if he could move for expunging that clause,
without affecting another person besides the Hon.
Member for Horsham, he would do so before the. Bill
passed, but at all events he could not help calling; the
attention of the House to the singular change which had
taken place in the sentiments of Hon. MetZhers since
the year 1832. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Iste:.'n'er,
for Dorchester—but then that Hon. Gentleman en tertainea
different sentiments, and sat upon a different side of the
House—expressed his opinion that the appointment in
the case of Mr. Brougham was provisional, and
that the public could not, be affected by the legal
right which the Lord Chancellor had to fill
up the vacancy, which he thought he was
bowl], by a moral obligation, do do. (Hear.)
Lord Brougham did abolish the office in obedience to a
moral obligatlon ; but that was not the case in the pre-
sent instance, and he was sorry Lord Abinger did not
follow in the footsteps of the other Noble Lord
(Brougham).
The CI-lA.NCELLOR of the EXCllEciurn thought
the Hon. Gentleman deserved great credit for the dili-
gence with which he ransacked for the present case,
but he Could not give him equal credit for the analogy
which he teemed to think subsisted between the two
cases. The Hon. Gentleman, he was sure, would recol-
lect that Lord Brougham, who was at the time Lord
ChetidelleFf had gittri nofieei in the House of Lords, of
his intention to abolish did Ace to which the
Honourable Gentleman referred that he (Lord
Brougham) mooted a measure of abolition himeelf---
There n-as therefore no parity in the two cases, for in
the one case a person was appointed by another, at a
time when he gave notice that he would himself abolish
the office which he considered to be a sinecure.
Lord Abinger was no party to the arrangement which
Was In contemplation, and, therefore, in making the ap-
pointment he was not violating his sense of duty to the
public, It was admitted on all hands that the office of,
Master of the 'Court of Exchequer was one which could
not be left vacant ; it was absolutely necessary that it
should be filled up if the business of the Court was
toprueeed. The Honourable Gentleman was good enough
to say that he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
was not very distinct in stating his opinions. He thought
the Hon. Gentleman must have known that when a gen-
tleman gave his vote in that House, there was a clear
index of his opinions. If the Hon. Gentleman at any
time misunderstood his expressions, he begged to refer
him to his recorded vote.—(Hear.) When this Bill was
before the House on a former occasion, ho took the
liberty of suggesting the necessity of making some regu-
lation with respect 'to the office of Accountant-Ge-
neral of the Court of Chancery, stating that till com-
pensation was awarded to the officers of the Court of
Exchequer no provision was made for preventing a cur-
Fespohding increase in the emoluments of the office of
the Court of Chancery. He had been informed that an
opportunity would be afforded to him in the course of
the present Session of effecting that object, and for the
present, therefore, he would not propose any alteration
in the Bill.
Mr. EWART said the Right Hon. Gentleman the
Chancellor of the Exchequer had attempted to draw
a distinction between the case of Lord Brougham and that
of Lord Abinger. With respect to the former Noble
Lord, Lord Elden, a very high authority on such a sub-
ject, said that the offie so far from being a sinecure was
one of great trust., and requiring much attention. Had
the Right Hon. Gentleman heard the case of the Welch
judicature ? In that case the Judges interested, although
the)• did nOt b.trod479 the Bills, were bound not to fill
up the vacancies. ! thought the Right Hon. Gentle-
man's argument entirely fell Le .`..!'e grohunnd.TTE
begged
The CHANCELLOR of the
to o'ol4 it flaw is ords in explanation. With
of the. Welch Judge he was perfectly well acquaintel-
lii6 brother had filled
the office at that time. tee
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) being in office at the
time knew pprfeatly well that the situation would be
abolished, Udder' those elrcittnetativee his brother had
ho title to compensation. In the same mother Lord
.Brougham had appointed his relative to a particular
office, knowing that it was intended to introduce a Bill to
abolish it. If an individual Member of the Govern-
ment had brought forward a Bill the case would he
wipely different. -
Mr. PEMBERTON said it was impossible that the
office under consideration could be accepted without
the person who accepted it abandoning his prospects at
the bar. Neither the Welch Judge, nor Mr. Brougham,
left the bar in order to accept office, He contended,
therefore, that there was no analogy between the cases.
He would take that opportunity of calling the attention
of the Government to the necessity of making still fur-
ther alterations in the Court of Chancery. Whatever
were the merits of this measure it wee; by no nieces a
remedy for all the evils which existed. He trusted that
the Government would be prepared next Session to in-
troduce a measure which would aftbrd complete satisfac-
tion tb suitors.
Mr. P. T. BARING said that the Might on: den,
tleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer hdd) in the
second part of his speech, pat the case on the right
footing. The brother of that Right Hon. Gentleman
had adopted the course which every one who knew
him would have expected. When lie vats appointed
no bargain was made that he was to receive
any compensation, If hie recollection served him
with respect to Mr, Scarlett, the second read-
ing a the
.Bill hadi passed the House of Lords before the
hppointrilent Lobe. planet indeed he thought the Bill had
been read a third time, and passed that House.—(Hear.)
He et nested it sifting opinion at the time upon the•
itulyeetl and irdtlling lot passed since which had in.
duced him to cnange Ile thought the
present one of thg strongest cases .of compMaticee im-
properly granted that he had ever nea..... Of.---(Hear.)
Sir J. GRAHAM thought the analogy win.CT.3 had
been referred to between the two cases, entirely failed.
In the case of Lord Brougham, he WaS Chancellor at the
head of the law, and an officer removable at the pleasure
a
of the Crown, and at the time of the
pp ointment-the in-
tention of abolishing that' office had- beenannounced.
He nominated his brother to that °lce, led the )yhole
authority of the Government was Pfeel;ed to 411 e
passing of that measure,the lii question was whether
hie brother under
Nolll, Urfistaneea was entitled
to compensation.
was urged that
the case of Mr. Scariet't .ta s
parallel to that
but he utterly denied it, Lord Abinger was not a party
to the introduction of the measure. On the contrary, he
and Sir Rdward Sugden objected to the abolition of the
appellate jurisdiction, and then
it resolved itself
into the qu
estion :of the probability of the measure
passing. . Now, in the case of Mr.. Brougham Lord
Brougham was not only a
oft,
party, but the very
author of the measure ; ]rilee
Mr. Scarlett Lord
44. bin g
to In
the "60 of the Hon,
er notonly
measure, but had objected
did not originate the
ere was assent
in the one case, dissent in the other,
.appeared
to him that there would he the greatest •
re-
fusing compensation in the case of Mr. Scarlett.
Mr. in
Mr. C. BULLER had seen Some observations
made with regard' to the vote he had given
in supporting the Motion for compensation
4r. Scarlett ; but he had seen no reason to, ro•

that
violent exerems.
verty arose from y.
surrounded with terrors. .
tion of families ; 2dly, arbitrary r
pline; idly, harshness to old ege; 4th1y,'..,...
the difficulties of gettingailtnission into the wo,_
and sixthly, and greatest of all, the mixture of the virtu,.
and profligate. Such terrors must prevent the honest and
industrious members of the community from applying for
relief. As he hid 'nut Wish tO rest his Claim tO
the consideration of the HoUso simply on his own
Authority, he would refer the ffpuse to some statements
which had been Otaiped frona different uni4lions, in.
which all these hardships were displayed, 17r4, with-
respect to the separation of families. ]de was'villing to•
admit that if great bodies of'the p eopte ')A'a''.to be
collected under one .roof, it might lee very difficult.
in' all cases to avoid the separation .of f:kmilies. But the,
hind. of separation Which was- mod op*essive was s.ll°
. , ..