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PRE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY EVENING, MAY 4, 1847.

about the railways in that district, together with the nature
of the district itself. On the map they (the Committee) had
a fall view of the country from Liverpool to the port of Hull.
That district was traversed by the line of the Manchesterassed
and Leeds Railway Company. That line of railway p
northward from Manchester, and then in an eastern direc-
tion by Wakefield, where it joined the Midland Railway for
a very short distance. Now that was a most circuitous
route, and the existing line joined the Midland Railway,
but ;for a very short distance, by. Rotherham. The line
proceeded thence in a very irregular direction till
it joined the Hull and Selby Railway, and so on till it
reached Hull. Such was the existing route from Manchester
to Hall. There certainly was the Huddersfield Railway, but
it was not suited to the wants of the district. He would not
trouble the Committee with any further details on this part
of the subject. There was another communication, which was
in the hands of the Manchester and Leeds Company, so that
there was•no competition. The line of the company which he
represented proposed to proceed to Pennistone, thence south-
ward to Sheffield, where it joined the Midland Railway, the
great object being that there should be a second field for
the great traffic between Hull and Manchester, and not, as
at present, the whole being absorbed by the existing com-
pany. Another main object of the present Bill was to
afford efficient accommodation to the town of Barnsley,
which was at present isolated with respect to railway accom-
modation. An Act that had been passed last year did not
give that accommodation. Barnsley required a communica-
tion east and west, and as direct as possible with Manchester.
In order to get on the line at present it was necessary to go a
distance of eight miles through a rugged country. The distance
of Barnsley from Manchester at present was about thirty odd
miles, and the inhabitants of the town, between 13,000 and
14,000, were compelled to go twenty miles. The coal of
Silston and Barnsley, which this line traversed, was of the
best quality for general purposes, and the circumstances of
the distnct were most favourable for its belt g
supplied to the inhabitants, who, before railway com-
munication, used to derive their supply from the pits I
in the neighbourhood of Barnsley. So strong had the want
of railway accommodation been felt in that neighbourhood
that in 1842, 1843, 1844, and 1845, Bills having such an
object as that of the present Bill were brought before Parlia-
ment, which unfortunately failed in the passage through
the standiug orders, or at some other stage, owing to some
' want of care or other such cause. The present line would
give admission to 300,000,000 tons of coal to places where
there was a great want of such an abundant supply. The
distance from Manchester to Hull at present was 99 miles,
which this line would diminish considerably. There were
several petitions in favour of this Bill signed by no less
than 5,647 respectable persons, who employed no less than
13,722 persons. Under these circumstances, which would be
proved by witnesses, he trusted the Committee would be of
opinion that the present Bill was entitled by its merits to
succeed.
• Mr. Charles Tee and Mr. Thomas Taylor, linen manu-
facturers of Barnsley, gave evidence in favour of the line.
The Committee adjourned at four o'clock.

Caledonian Company. Mr. Murphy claimed to be heard in
the Committee on the ground of the clauses of the proposed
Bill.

The Committee decided that Mr. Sergeant Murphy be
allowed to appear for the Greenock Company, and that the
two amalgamation schemes should be considered together.
Mr. Leadbetter was first called and examined by Mr.
ANDREWS.—His evidence was to prove the opening statement
Mr. Bannatyne, as to the terms on which the amalgama-
tion had taken place and the change now proposed. An
amalgamation had taken place by the Bill of last year, but it
was now found necessary to alter the terms. Those terms
had been submitted to the directors, and meetings of both
companies, and approved of by all parties as fair and eqult-
able.
Mr. James M'Coll, the Chairman of the Ayrshire Com-
pany, corroborated the evidence of Mr. Leadbetter, as to the
completion of the argreement between the two companies,
and then submissive to meetings specially called for the
purpose.
Mr. Sergeant Mummy then opened the case for the
CAMEDONIAI‘.I* (GLASGOW. PAISLEY, AND

GROUP XXXIII.
This Committee met to-day at twelve o'clock ; the Hon. E.
Yorke in the chair.
'MODS, MENVEL'ITRY, AND MANCHESTER
(EXTENSIO2,I TO lATAILEPIEED, &c.)
Evidence on behalf of this Bill was resumed.
Mr. Grainger, engineer, was examined at some length in
support of the Bill, as far as the engineering features of the
line were concerned.
Mr. Rastrick and Mr. Vignola, engineers, as well as seve-
ral other witnesses, were examined on behalf of the Bill,
After which the Committee adjourned till to-morrow at
twelve o'clock.

Examination continued—He believed there was an agree-
ment entered into with the Wishaw and Coltness, and the
Barrhead Railway. The latter might be made a com •
listing line with the Glasgow and Ayrs, but he
understood that the negotiations necessary for the comple-
tion of this system were broken off. The Caledonian had
become possessed of the Glasgow and Greenock and the
Polloc and Govan Railways. The precise object, as he un-
derstood, which the Caledonian had in view in asking for
the branch from Springfield to Annan, was to prevent com-
petition, which could lead to no good, to disembarrass their
Carlisle station, and to receive a fair portion of the profits on
what was properly a portion of their own line. He thought
that the Dumfries Company might enter themselves as a
competing line with the Caledonian by giving an in-
creased speed of perhaps five miles an hour, which
would, in the whole distance from Glasgow to Car-
lisle counterbalance the advantage which the Caledo-
nian Company held of the shorter line (24 miles). He did
not think this increased speed would be of advantage to the
public. Unless some protection were afforded to the Caledo-
nian, he thought the Dumfries Company (still preserving
this difference of 24 miles) could afford a communication
from Glasgow to London by Bruff and York, of equal dis-
tance with the Caledonian, the Lancaster and Carlisle, and
the London and North-Western, to and from the same points.
The London and North-Western, the Lancaster and the
Carlisle, and the Caledonian, were on amicable terms,
and he believed that there was some arrangement
concluded for leasing the Scottish Central and the Dundee
and Perth Railways. The London and North Western Rail-
way would be interested so far that they could then run their
carriages, without any necessity for changing, from London
to Forfar in Scotland. He understood that the London and
North Western guaranteed the Scottish Central 7 per cent.,
provided the local traffic would repay that; and, therefore,
they were interested in pressing the traffic iu the channel
which would best remunerate them.
By Mr. PATON, on the part of the North British Com-
pany—Mr. Locke in laying out the scheme proposed to go
round by Annan, instead of proceeding directly from Carlisle
to Lockerby, as was afterwards done in conformity with the
wishes of the Commissioners. At that time it was not pro-
posed to go to Edinburgh. He did not know that 'a por-
tion of the North British was granted before the Caledo-
rian came forward. In 1845 there came before Parliament
a scheme for extending the North British from Edinburgh to
Carlisle by Ilawick, and the Caledonian in the same year
brought forward their schemes in opposition. He knew that
there was no railway communication at present existing be-
tween Hawick and Carlisle, but he did not therefore propose
that a person who desired to reach Carlisle should
travel back to Edinburgh, there take the Caledonian line,
and so proceed to Carlisle, or that he should take the East
Coast front Edinburgh to Newcastle, and so to Carlisle.
What he did propose was that the traveller should take the
coach over the barren district between Hawich and
Langholin (which would support no other communication),
and there take the Caledonian branch to Carlisle.
Mr. AUSTEN, for the Duke of Buccleuch, was proceeding to
question the witness, when-
The CHAIRMAN intimated that the Committee bad deter-
mined at the outset to allow no cross-examination by a
Counsel who had not been present at the examination in
chief

TALLow.—A further decline has taken place in the value
of Russian on the spot, and the town as well as country bade
have purchased with much caution. Holders are evidently
willing sellers. The deliveries, however, have again been
small.. For delivery in the last three months of the year a
good demand however existed : but there is a desire to realise
at 45s to 45s 6d per cwt. Home made is plentiful, but the
demand has been limited. Other kinds of Tallow are little
wanted, and can be obtained is to 2s under former rates, as
the supply is yet plentiful.

M.t. Liddell in consequence asked the questions. The line
between Canobie and Langholm proceeded through the
Valley of the Esk, and included within its limits of deviation
Johnnie Armstrong's tower of Gilnockie. The Caledonian
Company had no design of any kind upon Johnnie Arm-
strong's tewer.—(Laughter.) The valley in question was
pre-eminent for its romantic beauty. He did not know that
the Duke opposed them because he thought that they de-
stroyed the beauty of the valley. He did not know that the
North British had changed the course of their line in defe-
rence to the opinion of his Grace, but it might be, as they
certainlp had not chosen the best line.
Re-examined by Mr. Sergeant WRANGHAM.
Mr. TOLLEMACHE thought the same objection which had
been urged against Mr. Austin, applied equally to Mr. Ser-
geant Wrangham. He was not present durif:g the exami-
nation in chief.
The Learned Sergeant was, however, permitted to pro-
ceed.

'HE LONDON GAZETIT.
(THIS EVENING.)

PALACE OF WESTMINSTER, LORD GREAT CHAT

BERLAIN'S-OFFICE, MAY 3, 1847.

Tickets to see the New House of Lords, in the Palace of
Westminster, will be issued from the Lord Great Chamber-
lain's-office every Wednesday, between the hours of ten and
four o'clock, for the subsequent or any other Saturday. Each
ticket will admit the bearer and one other person. All appli-
cations for tickets must be made personally, or through a re-
sponsible agent, as it will be impossible to send tickets or an-
swer written applications. Persons receiving tickets will be
required to leave their names and addresses, written on a card,
at the Office. 'rickets will be admitted on Saturdays only,
between the hcurs of ten and five o'clock. The number of

The CAntameN intimating at the same time that in con-
sequence of the absence of leading counsel on both sides, the
time of the Committee had been, in a great measure, thrown
away. Mr. Errington's evidence might, he thought, have
been compressed into the first ten minutes.
The further evidence was merely confirmatory of the
examination in chief.
The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow.

COMMITTEE on PRIVATE BILLS
(THIS DAY.)
SALE OF CHARING-CROSS BRIDGE.

tickets being necessarily limited, those persons who have
been unable to obtain them will have a stamp placed on
their cards, at the office, and preference will be given to such
stamped cards, if presented at the office-before eleven o'clock
on the following Wednesday.
(Signed) WILLOUGHBY de ERESBY, G.C.

The Committee to whom the Bill for carrying into effect
an agreement entered into by the proprietors of this bridge,
for its sale to Mr. Jackson, Sir Joshua Walmsley, Mr. Fuller,
&c., was summoned to inset again this morning, in Com-
mittee-room, No. 17, at twelve o'clock ; but at the appointed
hour none of the members save Colonel Sibthorp and Mr.
Mostyn were in attendance.
Counsel and parties attended punctually at twelve o'clock.
At half-past twelve o'clock Mr. D'Eyncourt, 111. P., for Lam-
beth, entered the Committee-room ; but, although he is
on the Middlesex list, he said he could not conveniently
attend to-day. He, however, intimated that even if he were
to stay, there was little or no chance of a Committee being
formed ; he, therefore, went away.
Colonel SIBTHORP said he informed General Johnstone and
Lord Barrington, last night in the House of Commons, that
the Committee would meet to-day at twelve, and in that
Committee-room, and that they promised to attend. He
feared it would be necessary to adjourn the Committee again,
but as the business of the House was important to- morrow—
Lord Morpeth's Health of Towns' Bill, and Mr. Spooner's
Suppression of Prostitution Bill being set down in the paper '
—he thought, if they did find it necessary to adjourn, it
would be necessary to extend it over to-morrow. -
Mr. GURNEY, who appeared for the Bridge Company, said
he had consulted his friend Mr. Hill (who appeared for the
shareholders who oppose the sale of the bridge), and he
agreed with him that it would be more convenient for all
parties that an adjournment of the Committee for some days
should at once take place, as there seemed little chance of
making a quorum, and it some arrangement should not be
come to between the parties in the interim, that an applica•
tion should be made to have the Committee reappointed.
Colonel SIETHORP—Then you wish us to adjourn sine die?
Mr. HILL, said, as the Committee had not, in fact, been

formed, the two Hon. Members present had no power to
adjourn it. The better course would be for the Committee
to separate. without naming any time when it should meet
again, and for the parties to apply for the renewal or re-
appointment of ,the Committee on a future day, as recom-
mended by his Learned Friend. It was right, perhaps,
that he should intimate that his opposition—or rather the
opposition of those for whom he appeared—had not abated
in the least. _

After some further consideration the Committee was
arranged to stand adjourned sine die, it being, however, un-
derstood that it should be called together again in the course
of a week.

in West India Molasses, the purchases not exceeding 250 country, because he feared much that the practice which •
puns; no further decline can be quoted in the value. they would be enabled to obtain by the assembling of 1
Cocoa.—West India Cocoa has been operated in with the squadron would be loot by the absence of those ships
more freedom, and the rates paid are rather above those at Lisbon. No doubt the Noble Earl (Earl
that existed previously—whitt the supply is on the de- of Auckland) now sincerely regretted having
crease. Of Trinidad several parcels hen been sold pri-
been induced by the Foreign Office to send
vately. Foreign sells more freely, but not at better rates. ,
• ships to Portugal. Had any good been done by sending
RICE.—To-day East India Rice was much sought after for
all purposes, but further advanced rates being asked, making the ships there ? On the contrary, they had every
the rise since Tuesday is. Gd per cwt, operated against busi- . reason to believe that the presence of the squadron at
ness, and only a limited quantity was disposed of privately. ' Lisbon, had postponed the settlement of Portuguese
SPICES.—Since our last Pimento was not much wanted, affairs by leading the Government of that c,untry to
and the rates taken are rather under those that existed pre- believe that they could still longer postpone that settle-
viously. Further parcels have been received. By private ment with safety to themselves. He deprecated the
treaty several parcels have been taken. For Cassia Lignea interference of the English Government in this way,
the inquiries have increased. In black Pepper few purchases : and considered that no good would result from it.
have been made by private treaty, and for the inferior kinds
He did think this question was a subject of grave im-
rather lower prices have been accepCed ; but clean sorts are
porta,nee. Nearlyisbon. He felt deeply two-thirds of the disposableto fleet of
held for the former value. White is offered at moderate
rates. African Pod has been purchased with increased L
England was at
freedom. For Nutmegs, former rates are insisted upon; but the English navy. It was not sufficient to afford them
few contracts have been entered into. 'security.
SPIRITS.—To-day there was a good business transacted in The Marquis of LANSDOWNE did not feel it
all descriptions of Rum ; holders manifested firmness, and proper to interrupt the Noble Earl, but there could
obtained the following rates, proof Leewards 3s Id to 3s 2d ; hardly have been a speech made more out of place than
East India 2s 10d to 2s 11d. Demerara fine quality 38 per that which they had just listened to.
cent. over proof at 4s 6d, and Jamaica of fair to fine quality , The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH here said he had a
4s 7d to 5s 2d per gallon. motion to put, and gave it to the Clerk.
lanino.—For East India the rates asked are equal to those
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said, if the motion
of the last quarterly sales, but exporters and the home trade
was of the same character as the speech, it was most
operate with caution, taking only sufficient for their imme-
diate wants. Spanish sells slowly. out of place and very irregular, as notice ought to
COCHINEAL.—The market has been more freely•supplied, have been given of his intention to move it.
and the demand having been limited, prices suffered adepres- He would not enter upon the speech of the Noble Earl,
sion of 2d to 3d per lb for silvers. the discussion now would be delicate and ill timed. But
SALTPETRE.—EngIish Refined has been largely dealt in, British interests were just those that formed the object
and prices are very firm; the refiners show much firmness, of the interference the Noble Earl referred to, and when
as they have more orders on hand than they will be able to the time came to explain fully the reasons that had placed
execute for some time. Rough is wanted by exporters and the
a fleet where it was, it would be seen that British interests
home trade, the rates offered are rather above those that pre- had dictated silence on this occasion. But he claimed
viously prevailed' but the supply of all descriptions is small, had dictated 'on this
in the the Britishßut he claimed
none has been offered at auction. for himself as much interest navy as had
Ons.—The supply has increased of all sorts of Southern been exhibited by the Noble Earl, and he was happy to
Oil, and a slight decline in the value took place, the demand thick the effect of the disposition of the forces had been
having been limited. The public sales of 80 tuna went off to inspire their own merchants with security and
quietly. Cod has been operated in with caution, and there foreigners with respect for this nation.
is a desire to sell at 271 to 27! lOs per tun, whilst the market Lord BROUGHAM agreed that the subject was far
is well supplied. For seal the demand has been extremely too grave for discussion without notice.
limited, and prices are little better than nominal. There has The subject then dropped.
been little desire evinced to operate in Sperm, and quo-
(LEFT SITTING.)
tations have given way ; the market having been more
freely supplied. Of Fish Oils the arrivals have been
upon a more extended scale since this day week,
and the tendency of prices is downwards for all
kinds. Lard Oil, is little wanted. Although there are sellers
of Palm upon lower terms, still exporters and the home trade
operate with caution by private treaty, anc' a public sale of
96 casks went off quietly. Cocoa Nut is still in scanty
supply, and prices in consequence range high. Olive is
offered upon further reduced terms. Rape Seed Oil met with
little attention. Prices rule firm for Linseed Oil, and pur-
chases to a fair extent have been made by the home trade,
whilst the shipping orders executed have been on a more
extended scale.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
SECOND READINGS.

The Derbyshire, Staffordshire, and Worcestershire
Junction Railway Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed.
REPORTS.
The rep: its on the following Bills were considered
and agreed to :
Ayrshire and Galloway Railway (Smithstown to Dal-

wellington).
Caledonian Railway (Branches from the Clydesdale
Junction Railway, the Douglas and Lesmahagow
Mineral Fields, and to Strathavon).
Caledonian Railway (Branches to W ilsontown, to Fauld-
house, and to Biggar and Broughton).
Caledonian Railway (Extension of Motherwell Branch
of Clydesdale Junction Railway, to Auchinheath
Mineral Field, with Branches to the Wishaw and
Coltness Railway, Canderside and Hamilton).
Colchester, Stour Valley, Sudbury, and Halstead Rail-
way (Extension from Lavenham to Bury St. Ed-
mund's).
Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle Railway, and Glasgow,
Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (No. 2).
Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway, and
GAsgow and Belfast Union (No. 1).
Manchester Markets.
Scottish Equitable Life Assurance Society.
Wolverhampton Gas.
The consideration of the report on the South-Eastern
Rails ay (Mid-Kent and Direct Tunbridge), South-
Eastern Railway (North Kent line), South-Eastern
Railway (Strood to Maidstone), was postponed to Thurs-
day, after a short discussion.
The Kingston-upon-Thames Small Tenements Bill
was ordered to be recommitted.