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from the Opposition benches.) He would deal first with the. ' strike at the root and destroy the main-spring of the service, if
charge of direct encouragement, and he would say, in the officers were given to understand that services on the quarter-
first place that a more indiscreet admission was never made by deck were secondary to services on the hustings. The Right
a great officer of the Government than was made Hon. Judge Advocate had stated that he delighted in facts.
by the Marquis of Normanby, when Lord Lieutenant of Ire- He would state a fact to the House : eight offica-s above the
land, on the subject of simultaneous meetings. A case had rank of Lieutenant stood candidates at the last general election
been brought under discussion in the House of Lords, of a and were defeated. He should make no comment oa their
meeting in the county of Waterford, where 50,000 men had names, but just read the list. Every one of those officers,
assembled for the purpose of offering a passive resistance to the without exception, had since the election received commands—
payment of tithes. The Marquis of Normanby, in his place in Adm. Omnsaney, Hampshire, Lisbon.
Parliament, had defended that meeting, assembled for such a Lord John Churchill, Woodstock, Druid.
purpose, on the abstract point of law, that if there was no Casit. Plumridge, Falmouth, Astrea.
direct inclination manifested to a breach of the peace, such a Lord Clarence Paget, Southampton, Earl Howe.
meeting was not illegal, and ought not to have been suppressed. Capt. Napier, Greenwich, Powerful.
He (Sir J. Graham) asserted that such a declaration, in the Capt. Houston Stewart, Renfrewshire, Benbow.
present temper of affairs, when persons had assembled for the , Lord James Townshend.
most violent purposes, afforded them of itself a direct encou-
ragement. The case, however, did not stop there. He held The Hon. and Learned Gentleman had said that Capt. Plum ridge
in his hand a variety of reports of speeches of the most violent, had been appointed before toe Falmouth election. He would
seditious, and treasonable character, which had been de. tell the House a short narrative of that, and with that as a ge-
livered at a variety of public meetings, immediately after the neral sample he would leave it to the House and the country.
adoption of the Charter in August last, in the town of When he had the honour of being at the Admiralty Board he
Birmingham. Very shortly after the adoption of the had the satisfaction of placing in command of the Dock-yard at
Charter, a ' public meeting of the members was held, Chatham, Sir James Gordon, who was an ornament to his pro-
for the purpose of fraternising, as they called it, fession, and had lost a leg in a celebrated action in the
ic, and almpd for service with the Nationalional Guards at Paris. They had sent, through
Adriat
their Members, an address of conesratulation to that National
Guard, but, with anwas ardour ost
inca
and energy peculiar toactive
himself,
and in favour of their° intentions of extenextendingi was unwilling to submit to a life of idleness ; he
commanded the dock-yard to the admiration of all who the franchise in France. At . a meeting subsequently
held, doctrines of a far mere dangerous nature were witnessed it ; he was most anxious not to retire on the Pen-
put forward ; and it had bee 1 referred to in the sion List, but to remain in the discharge of those active duties.
Lord Auckland had appointed to a lucrative situation at Fald-
course of the debates, that after six weeks had passed, after
mouth an officer of great distinction, without any friends, ,
an.
This
meetings of this description had been openly held—after. lan-
of humble means, but of great worth—Captain Flavel. flu
guage of the most inflammatory kind had been used—and the
most violent opinions had been advanced unchecked and arrangement was made immediately previously to the election
uncontrolled, the Noblel.ord had made a speech at Liverpool of 1837. What was the conduct of the Admiralty? They
the dangerous consequences of which he himself, he believed, compelled Sir James Gordon to vacate his appointment, and
go upon the Pension List, and removed Captain Flavel from
would see.—( Here Lord J. Russell made some remark, which
did not reach us.) Sir J. Graham proceeded to say that though ' Falmouth to Chatham, and Capt. Plumridge, against
he held the report of that speech in his hands, yet as the Noble whom he made no complaint whatever, who was a
Lord denied the accuracy of that report, he would not make use meritorious officer, but a relation of the First Lord
of it. fie would show however, the use which had been made of the Admiralty, was appointed. The election was in August
of the language spoken, by the Noble Lord under such inflam- and he was sent there in April previous. Now they had heard
a great deal about officers in full pay taking part in politics.—
matory circumstances ; and he was bound to say that whatever
the Noble Lord might have said on the occasion, it was most (Hear, hear.) If the rule applied to the army it ought to ap-
unfortunate, and it could not be denied, after what he was going ply to the navy also. Captain Plumridge commanded at Fal-
mouth where he was placed before the election, and at the to read to the House, that the report had been viewed as on elec-
curateae-
one by many of the Chartists.--(Cheers from the Oppo-
tion he stood for Falmouth, and ever since that election he had
sition benches.) taken an active part in giving the Government every assistance.
There was one other circumstance that was almost amusing.
Lord J. RUSSELL was here roceeding to observe that as the
In the month of August, the inhabitents of Southampton, who
Right Hon. Baronet referred to a s ped
said on a former ocech of his, he begg edca-
hadnot seen a ship of war for many years, saw one of her Majesty's
sion on the subject. The Noble Lord, however, was immedi-
leave to state to the House what he ha
brigs sail up the river and anchor there; and it soon trans-
ately interrupted by cries of "Order order !" spired that it was the Pearl frigate, commanded by Lord. C. Paget
,
who soon after stood at the election, the inhabitants hay-
Sir J. GRAHAM continued to observe that he had never
ing previously, not only enjoyed the frigate, but also his
seen a correct edition of the report, which he had merely sees
hospitality.—( Hear, hear.) There was another point which
and read in the newspapers. He would at all events observe that
whatever might have fallen from the Noble Lord was most un-
showed the conduct of the Government with respect to Ca-
fortunate, because it had been assumed by the Chartists them-
nada. The Noble Lord referred to Canada, andhe (Sir J. G.)
selves.—( Hear, hear, from the Opposition benches.) He should thought he could substantiate his claim for the vote he then
say that considering the notoriety, which then prevailed as asked from their conduct on that question. On the 9th of
August-the Bill was read a second time in the House of Lords
to those doctrines, and considering the nature of the speech, the
rescinding the orders passed by Lord Durham—and Lord Mel-
circumstance of a correct copy not having been immediately
borne declared, that " to pass that Bill involved the connection
published, was much to be regretted. There was a report in
the Northern Star.—( Laughter from the Ministerial benches.) of one part of the empire with the other, and the peace of the
w
The Hon. Gentleman proceeded to say that if there was any world. When he saw that it was nothing less than a strong
particular effect to be obtained, he could understand the mean-
condemnation of the policy pursued in that county, he could
ing of denying the accuracy of the report. He would give not consent to the second reading." He said it was "the
the date of it. It appeared in the Northern Star, on the 20th highest injustice to Lord Durham, of whose conduct he ap-
of October, 1839. There could be no objection made in that
proved." He said that on the 9th, and took the division in the
case to the want of accuracy in that report. He found from
House of Lords. In a few days he took up the Bill, which was
'
passed ; and it was passed through the House of Commons, at
it that a Mr. Crabbe addressed the meeting as follows ; 'r We
have hitherto held together ; and will we new when Lord the instance of the Noble Lord. Was it possible to place con-
John Russell says we have the right to meet, give up doing so? fidence in a Government, under such circumstances as those?
No, my boys, you will tell him you will either have y '
our And so far from thinking it a question merely of mea-
rights, or die." He found that a Mr. Collis had addressed the sures, he said.it was a question of a change of men. Lord Ba-
conhallobserved, "It is vain for princes to consult about mat-
meeting on the same occasion, and said, " Lord John Russell
has told you that there are some who would advise putting tars, unless they are willing to consult about persons—matter
down meetings of the people, but he would not adept such a
is but as dead images, but life and execution consist in the
course, and he admitted the right of the people to meet."— choice of persons." Now, he charged distinctly that the con-
(Hear, hear, from the Opposition benches.) The attempt to duct of the Noble Lord, and his colleagues, had been such as
put down one meeting would raise up two."—(Hear, hear, encouraged the disturbers of the peace ; and a change in her
from the Ministerial benches.) He was now about to read to Majesty's advisers appeared to him indispensible to the mainte-
the House what was most unfortunate in the speech at Liver- nance of property and order in this country.—( Cheers. )
pool, as misrepresented, it would appear. It had been pleaded Mr. MACAULAY next rose, and was received with loud cheer-
by a party recently convicted at Monmouth, as having been ing from the Ministerial side of the House—he commenced by say.
ing—Sir, it is possible that this House may imagine that I now rise
present at a treasonable and seditious meeting—he meant
Alr. Welling—it had been pleaded by that individual, under some little feelings of irritation consequent upon the repeated
in his examination before the Magistrates of New- attacks which have been made en me by the Honourable Gentleman
port previous to his committal,—that he did not consider who has just sat down. Ido not, Sir, for I think it will be easy
that meetings of the kind were illegal. No one had ever told to reply to the arguments he has brought forward —(Cheers from
him that the were so the Ministerial benches) But were I alone personally concerned,
Y ; and besides , not two months ago,
Lord John Russell, as Secretary of State, had said, at a dinner I should not be guilty of anything so unworthy of me. Egotism
at Liverpool, that public meetings were not only lawful, but
is at all times an unpopular subject to enter upon, but on this oc-
commendable.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") Public discussion, reason I think it would be singularly insensible of me to
as the Noble Lord said, was the best means of eliciting truth. indulge it when the subject matter does not concern my-
-(Cheers from the Ministerial Benches.) Mr. Hughes, on self alone, but it is an occasion when the dearest in-
the same occasion, relied on the authority of the Noble Lord. terests of tile country are now staked upon the question.
That individual had said that be thought such meetings per- Sir, I address you sunder feelings of the deepest anxiety—of
fectly legal, and that ha believed he was
that wherfectlyatever might
right in at- anxiety in which, if I know my own heart, there is no mixture
tending them. He should again repeat, t
of selfishness—(Cheers, and cries of "Oh i'') Si r, Ido feel, with
.
have fallen from the Noble Lord on the occasion, it was an
alarming fact that his language could have been so understood. to the w mosthlob Ii n
bt eatvo see
theco nhvoincot inorn
t,
othat 0
nin di g
,joll eaam pnlge
afdoirn tgh
feo
,Gtohvoe rdno ma
reens
tt
He had now shown the House that Government had
given indirect encouragement to the Chartists.—(Hear, hear.) finterests
roef,
et hr
ve
aCt
ionmn mo
fo nallw enanl trhb—o
best
to
andr t hemreformationbol
of
iaalssut
si
teus ---t
i oannsd.
Considering the position of an unfortunate individual at the
—(" Oh" and laughter from the Opposition benches.) I, Sir, do
present moment, he meant Frost, whose fate was now trem-
believe that the very foundations—(Renewed laughter, and cries of
!sling in the balance of Justice, he would not say one word con- "Oh !" from the Opposition benches, followed by cheers and cries
cerning him, lest what he might say should have any effect in of "Order" from the Ministerial side of the House.) I trust, Mr.
influencing the fate of that unfortunate man—( Cheers)—but Speaker, that the first Cabinet Minister who, in a debate in which
he would refer to a case which appeared to him to be still the question raised is whether the Government be or be not wog_
stronger even than that of Frost, and for which he had not yet thy of the confidence of the House of Commons—l trust, Sir, that
heard any apology, and which was a case lousily calling for ex
the first Cabinet Minister who offers himself in such a debate, may
planation. It was proposed at the time of the passing of the claim some portion of the generosity and good feeling which once
Municipal Reform Act, that Magistrates in the Boroughs should
distinguished English gentlemen of every political party.—(Vehe-
ment cheers.) But, be that as it may, my voice shall be heard.—
cease to be nominated by the Crown, as had been the ease here-
tofore, but that they should be elected by the people. This (Cheers, and cries of "Oh I") I say that lam pleading net only
preposition had been distinctly submitted to the consideration for the preservation of abuses—(Much laughter, and cheering)—for
of Parliament, and had been rejected. It had been considered the reformation of abnses—(Cheers)—but that I am pleading
a dangerous innovation, as changing the character of the for liberty and for order—for justice administered in mercy—for
Magistrates altogether, depriving the Parliament of its just equal laws—for the rights of conscience, and for a real union be-
authority, and cor.ceding too much to the popular power.--- tween Great Britain and Ireland.—(Loud cheers.) Sir, I wish first
Now what had the Noble Lord done—he had endeavoured to to address myself not to any matter relating to myself, but Ido
effect this change through the mediumof Parliament ; Parlia- naturally wish to speak to those parts of the subject in which my
ment had rejected the proposition—had declared they had no name is bound up, in some degree, with the character of the Go-
confidence in the proposal, yet the Noble Lord said that al- . vernment to which I belong. My opinions are favourable to secret
though defeated in this attempt he would exercise the preroga- voting—the opinions of my Noble Friend near me are in favour
tive of the Crown on his own responsibility, and do that indi- of open voting, and yet the Noble Lord and myself sit as Members
rectly which he could not do directly. He said to the Town of one Government.—(Cheers.) This has leen the grand topic—the
Council, send me up the names of persons for Magistrates who great tharge against the Government, brought by every Gentleman
are the objects of popular choice, and in compliance with the who has addressed the House in the course of the debate, from the
popular recommendation I will appoint them.—( Cheers from Hon. Baronet who commenced it, down to the Right Hon. Gentle_
the Opposition.) He would ask, had not the Noble Lord, in man who last add eased the House. Now, Sir, I say, its the first
consequence, appointed Mr. Muntz, the present Member for place, that if this difference of opinion be a reason why the House
Birmingham ? should declare that the Government was unworthy its confidence,
Mr. MUNTZ—I never was appointed a Magistrate, then no Government which has existed in this country for many
Sir J. GRAHAM begged pardon. It was • the bro- years has been worthy of the confidence of the House of Com-
ther of the Hon. Member for Birmingham, the present Mayor mons—Meer, hear, hear)—for I say that in. questions
of Birmingham, to whom he alluded. Had not the Noble not less important than the question of the Ballot, former
Lord appointed Mr. Muntz a Magistrate, and had not that gen. Governments have been at variance. The Government of Mr. Pitt,
tleman been at one time Vice-President of the Political Union,
amc
beDnartetloiesngt atFtie,nanttodfa?t
fact--it
e_....(
I:town das Nationalcheers.)
so
oConvention,notoriousr a.
He
e as
wouldatnh de snTuonrtumsattaekne
eooatno-cdotarnhye- the Government of Mr. Fox, the Government of Lord Liverpool,
of Mr. Canning, and of the Duke of Wellington,
,differed upon
questions of the greatest moment, and importance. Sir, I say
and he charged the Noble Lord by this appointment as that the question of Parliamentary Reform was an open one in the
. . rig, Government of Mr. Pitt. I say that Mr. Pitt, holding opinions
the most open encouragement of the Government to Chagrtlivsim- favourable to Parliamentary Reform, took into his Cabinet Mr.
He would now pass from the Chartists, for the purpose of Grenville, who was of opposite opinions on that subjeet.—(Cheers.)
glancing at the Repealers—( Loud cheers)—and he wouldsa,
I say that. Mr. Pitt, wise was strongly opposed to the Slave trade,
that the Government, not satisfied with giving direct encou-
ragement to the Chartists in England, had also given direct
fbarvoouugrh
of
fi
int ts a
ahhiosuCt
laohni nit (
(lk:ifi re.,
rns
.u) n a
Sir,as , wi Inl ot
hwe a
Gs
01 . s..t.rme neon sly7of mirn.
ncouragement to the Repealers in Ireland.—( Loud cheers ) Fox in 1792 there was an equal diversity of opinion, and from
The Hen, and Learned Member for Dublin gloried in tbe 11106, ih the Governments of Lord Liverpool, of Mr. Canning, and
title of Repealer ; he had said he should be a Repealer to the
last hour of his life ; he had announced that he was
prepared
to die in the field rather than accede to the imposition of a atinieollpeunkqeucefstW question, which,
on altlns
account ugh Catholic
of
its E
close mancipatio
connection Emancipation
waisti, mode
ex.
erosive
administration,
Tory Government ; and he was perfectly consistent in his de- havebeen w
left
openas perhapsb yany the very last
Government.
question I
never which
found
should
clarations of his intention to force repeal from the Government.
He remembered that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had that such difference of opinion bad been made the ground
once said that there was a vast similarity between the case of ti ot
ar a at
vaontdesotfilwl•naneat
roefrcuosntfi.decnonces.ideßru. twe
Supposehav ethe c apsree se n still
t Gmoovr ee rial ' enr -t
Mr. Papineau in Canada and his own in Ireland. What was was dismissed, and that a Government was constructed from the
their relative position now ? Papineau, without a trial, not Hon. Gentlemen on the opposite benches, on what principle did
having taken any direct part in any attempt to dismember the Hon. Gentleman opposite propose to construct a Government P
the Empire, was now an outcast and an exile, and —(Hear, hear.) Was it proposed to construct a Government
suffering, with the , greatest severity, all the miseries which would leave the privileges of the House an open ques log I>
incident to such a life. While the Hon. and Learned (Cries of " Oh," and cheers.) Sir, Ido ask, is it intended that a
Gentleman who had declared he was bent on dismembering the Government constituted from Hon. Members on the opposite
empire, and wresting her right arm from this country, was benches should be composed exclusively of persons who, on the
caressed by the Government, and offered one of the highest gseat question of the privileges of this House, entertained the same
judicial appointments in the country.—(lmmense cheering,) opinion as the majority of the House of Commons.—(Cries of
Nor was this all—but before stating what he was about to state, " Oh," from the Opposition benches.) Sir, will it be said that
he begged distinctly, to disclaim the idea that he entertained the question of privilege, as connected with the independence and
any objection to any gentleman on account of his religion. He utility of this House, is less important than the question of the
absolutely disclaimed such an idea—(Cheers)—and since the Ballot.—(Loud and continued cheering.) Sir, I contend
Emancipation Bill had passed, he thought religion could form that from the privileges of this House and their indepeudent e xer-
no just ground of objection to any gentleman filling any of the else, the Ballot and all similar questions derive their importance,
offices of the State.—( Loud cheers.) But he did say that:the and what does it matter in what manner the Members of this House
elevation of the Hon. Member for Tipperary, to the councils of are elected if, when they do assemble, they cannot preserve those
her Majesty, considering that he had been been a professed Re privileges as one branch of the Legislature?—(Great cheering.) Sir,
peeler—considering that he had been the teller on the division, is there anything more clear than that an address may be presented
when the question of repeal had been brought forward by the by this House to the Crown, on the subject of the discussions which
Hon. and Learned Member for Dublin, in that House—he have lately taken place in this House, and I ask in what manner is
would repeat that he considered his elevation into the councils an Administration divided on the question of privilege, to shape
of her Majesty as most dangerous, as it showed that as direct that address P—(Cheers ) Can any question be more important
encouragement had been given by the Government to the than this ? In what relation does the House of Commons stand to
Chartists in England, so had direct encouragement been given the whsle State—to its constituents—to the Courts of Judicature,
to the Repealers in Ireland.—(Loud cheers.) He had already and to the other branches of the Legislature; and on the other
expressed his opinion of open questions when speaking on the land, what could be more monstrous than that we who support the
subject of the Ballot. But the Noble Lord, in admitting to his question of privilege, shout. be charged with attacking the Waerty
councils the Right Hon. Member for Edinburgh, ought to of the subject, with interfering with the functions of tl:e Courts
have recollected that the Right Hon. Gentleman was a pledged of Law, and with having committed to custody the ministerial
advocate for a perfect treedom in trade generally, and for a officers of the Law and other parties who had been guilty of no
free trade in corn particularly. —( Cheers. ) The Right Hon. crime but that of appealing for redress to the laws of their country
Gentleman was art advocate, not for a fixed duty, not for ex- Sir, nothing can be more mischievous than a division of opinion in
tending the smallest protection to the agricultural interest, but any Government on so important a question. I say, Sir, that Ido
for a free and open trade.—( Cheers.) Would the House allow certainly believe that the difference .f opinion which exists en the
him to read the opinion of Lord Melbourne on this subject ? other side of the House wills respect to the question of our privi_
( Cheers and laughter.) On the 14th of May Lord Melbourne
had thus expressed himself, and he would say that the declare- leges would be, if a new Ministry were formed, productive of more
practical incouvenience in a week than leaving the question of the
tion of Lord Melbourne did not at all preclude him from advo- Ballot an open one is likely to produce in ten years.—(Cries of
eating a fixed duty. Lord Melbourne had said that, " assumin., "Oh," and loud cheers.) The Right Hon. Baronet asks, in what
for the sake of argument, that there was no interest in does the present Government differ from the Chartists, one mem-
this country requiring protection—assuming this to be ber of the Cabinet having declared himself favourable
wholly a great manufacturing country, he should doubt to the Ballot !—(Cheers.) Sir, 1 object to the word
the wisdom of establishing laws making a lame " pledged" in the Right Hon. Baronet's statement, for I have never
manufacturing population dependent ,aolely upon foreigners for given any pledge to any constituent bodyi and I have, on the con.
their supply of food.—( Cheers from the Oppositiou. ) But trary, invariably refused to de so. But one member of the Cabi.
when he considered the situation in which this country stood— net has given an opinion that as Parliament has considered a 101.
the vast complication of its interests and its financial state— house as a sufficient proof that the man has that stake in the
when he found a proposal made for leaving the agricultural country which admits him to be a voter, it is not desirable that
population entirely without protection, he must say he con- the locality of that 101. house should determine whether the
sidered it the wildest and maddest scheme that it had ever man ought to have a vote er not. Sir, am Ito be told that for
entered into the mind of man to conceive."—(Loud cheers.) putting forth such an opinion I stand exactly in the same
Such was the declaration of Lord Melbourne. Note let them condition as if I would abolish the 101.. qualification
hear the declaration of the Right Hon. Secretary-at-War. altogether ? The Right Honourable Gentleman asks where
That Hon. Gentleman had said that he had been always averse is the qualification, and in my opinion pecun'ary qualifies.
to any restrictions on trade, and, above all, on the trade in food. firm is peculiarly necessary for the safety of the Members of the
These opinions wore on record, and yet Lord Melbourne had con- House. In my opinion the 101. qualification was never proved to
vented to sit in the same Cabinet with the Right Hon. Gentleman. be too high. By that qualification the state of society conti-
If ever there was a question in the world on which it was the nuing What it is, the distinction of classes continuing what
imperative duty of a Cabinet to take a decided line of conduct, they are, the distribution of property and the value of
it was this, a question which was fatal to the best interests of money continuing what they are, so far as I can see, no inconve.
the country while it was in suspense, and what was the use of silence or disadvantage could result from its adoption. Sir, if
a Government if it was not between conflicting parties to hold this does not constitute a distinction sufficiently clear between
the balance with a firm and steady hand ?—( Loud cheers.) myself and the Chartists, the Right Hon. Gentleman's description
What, he would ask, was the opinion of her Majesty's Govern- must be very wide of the mark indeed. But, Sir, to come
ment on this subject?—( Cheers.) He blamed the Vice-Pre- to that, which throughout the whole of this debate,
silent of the Board of Trade as a Repealer, but he believed he appears to me to be a great charge against the Government, for al-
had the satisfaction, on former occasions, of voting with that
Right Hon. Gentleman against any alteration in the Corn- though one Hon. Gentleman has talked of Commissioner Lin and
, the bills drawn by Mr. Elliot on the Treasury for the opium that was
laws. The President t,f the Board of Trade as he gathered
speech at Manchester, was in favour of a fixed duty, given up, and although another lion. Gentleman has alluded to the
from his
recent occurrences in the river Plate, and although
rShne cer eNt. al
irnyi s
taetr
dNeVcalarrewas
suchfor
ten opinion to be absolute
The
no restriction at all, while many other circumstances had been touched upon,
the
feel that it is not on this the result of the debate will tuts
the P
1.
madness. Some allusion had Been made to the opinion The whole argument will turn on that complaint brought forward
of Members on his side the House on this question; for by the Hon. Baronet, and again relocated by the lion. Alderman,
himself he had no hesitation in declaring what his and itwas thatwhich constituted the
were
House,
i. substance of almost
opinions. He was in favour ofparty
protection to agriculture, every speech addressed to the am it amounted to this :
and he thought this Principle multi best be •
carried out by that the country was not in a satisfactory state—that there was a
adopting a graduated scale le
duty '
falling as prices rose. To these two rising as prices fell, and great disposition among the people for extensive political changes ;
two principles di s- and at thehottom of all this lie the agitating prospects of the Whigs.
tinetly pledged, and he believed he spokealso he was is- ,
those who surrounded
.power—by this they had been
him.—(Cheers from the 0 • • re-established in power. They had carried the Reform Bill by
benches.) He would pass by a variety pposition 1
of on th• • means of this, and we are now reaping the fruits
ts im- of what they
mense subject—he would not relate facts • topicsbut the e
butinnumerable, facts then did. AlChartism is nothing I this
... ffect of what was
sufficient to satisfy the Judge Advocate, which would take then done, and it is evident that these two causes of evil
boars in relating, and only allude to the other branch
of this I call on Honourable Members of the
other side
immense subject, and this was a question of fret. He ad- 'of the House to come forward, and apply a remed (Cheers.)
mitted distinctly the doctrine laid down by the -Judge Advocate i Ido not know whether I state this argument correc I that every Government was fully justified in (siving a decided ' believe it to be the substance of what has been stated byttyt:e but
it, o Ir
preference to the their friends and supporters ;'-'but this doctrine ' side. I might follow the example set me by the Jud ID
ge-Advocate-
was to be received with vast and important exceptions, and the General, in his able and eloquent speech, and content myself with
t two great services, the Army and Navy, constituted the most simply saying that the agitation principally belonged to the Govern
important of these exceptions, and he should think that this ment of Lord Grey—(Hear. hear)—and of that Government -
the
was d.tubly important as regarded the Navy, because it would Noble Lord the Member for North Lancashire, and the Right