The Sun.
London, England, 1841-09-23 00:00:00

MORNING' SUN,
Air. FIELDING, who was almost inandibli in the
pdlery from the low tone in which he spas?, was
understood to say that he objected to the
eentinuance of the powers of the Commissioners for
any period whatever. Their power was a despotism ;
measure
(e)ad he
arsaubriee greatlyßaronet
regretted
leetswaams same shape
find
pmein t
in
nd
woinlhait the
ehiti.thigadlt
introducingf
been etihene-
criginally brought forward by the Government of Earl
rev. The present Poor-law was a coercion Bill for
ngland ; and he determined to divide the House
oii the motion then before them— (Hear, hear)--
and he Wished it should be known who these Hcnour-
able Members were, who were resolved on defying the
opinion of the country. .
4r. ESCOTT would support the motion before the
Vouse. He did not think they had at this moment
sts ficient information to enable them fairly and
estly to legislate on the subject.---(Hear, hear.)
It, is the fault of the late House of Commons; which
dissolved when it ought to have been passing a law for
the be tter maintenance of the poor of this country.
lie did not wish to impute motives to Hortourable
MemberS opposite; but, after the speeches which he had
heard froth the Noble Lord and the Islon.Mern her fe r Hali-
fax, he would ask how it had happened that precisely at the
moment when the Poor-law Commission was abandoned,
the Cern-law agitation was commenced? They had seen
_honourable Members risingup night after night to com-
plain of the scarcity of corn and the dearness of breaad,
mused by the laws which they (the Conservatives)
hear)—thought necessary for the protection
agriculture. That was only to direct attention
sa. at the Poor-law. There was iso scarcity of
bt ,ss d at the present moment, and . under that:
sesy , law wh:cli had been so much- condemned
there 'was at this time flowing into the countiran ample
sumly c.f corn.—(Hear, hear.) Distress there certainly
was, and it was natural that there should be after the
misrule of ten years.—(Hear, hear, hear, and a
laagh.) One geat cause of that distress was that Poor-
law which was sought to be continued. He had indeed
one consolation in the continuance of that measure, that ,
vvaa fever might be the character of the coming winter, in
the administration of relief to the poor there would be'
h., cruelty or oppression. The very first act of
the. Right Honourable %Baronet's Administration had
been _one; of care and attention to an alleged case of
poverty and distress. There was not a single victim
ot• poverty :, or a single possessor of wealth in the king-
do.a
add not honour him for that deed, and de-
riro who ws
from .it jib. assurance of his sympathy for the suffer-
ines of the poor.
Mr. WARD said he was surprised that the Hon.
Alsznber should e,omPlain of the want of facts. Why,
there never was a measure with respect to which
such ample details hstsi been laid before Parliament.
He would tell the Hon. Member that the great mass
of the people—the great Mass of the • intelligence
of the country—was in favour of the principle.—(.b ear.)
riere was a larger mass of information on the
subject of this Bill than upon any other suiqect
el.,n which they had been called to legisLate.
Ile gave his full support to the measure of the Right;
Honourable Baronet, not upon the principles of the
Honourable Member for Finsbury, but because ho
be'ieved the measure to be a most useful one, and
also because he believed if the central check was
not kept up, the worst results might be ex-
pected. He hoped that next year, when they were pre-
pared to take up this measure, they would be enabled to.
discuss it with the most perfect impartiality.
Mr. FERRAND agreed with the Honourable.
Member who had just sat down, that nine-tenths.
of the people of the country were opposed to•
the harsh clauses of the law. His Honourable
Colleague and himself had been sent by their consti-
tuents to that House to oppose those clauses, and.
for which they had broken asurder the bonds of the
Duke of Devonshire in the Borough of Knaresborough.
He had read that a Member of that House had
said that the party with which he acted had obtained
their majority by enormous lying.—(A laugh.) Why,
the Noble Lord opposite, and the Government
to which he lately beloned, bad existed for years
by. enormous lying.—(Loud cries of " Order, order,"
from both sides of the House, and one solitary
" ITear, hear.")
The SPEAKER (after a pause) said, he was sure that
when the Hon. Member had had some experience in
tl:e House, he would see that such language as he had.
just used would not add to the dignity of their proceed-
ings, and that out of respect to the public, as well as the
use, it should not be used.
arr. FERRAND begged to apologise to the House.
—(Cheers.) He had thought he was only using an
es oression which had before been used in the
Iliiuse. As he found it was not so, he begged.
most humbly to beg pardon.—(Hear, hear.) Pre-
viols to the new Poor-law becoming the law of the
laid, he had agitated throughout the country against it.
He thought it an unconstitutional law, and he op-
posed it by every constitutional means in his
pi wer. Even after it became law, he had op-
posod it in every legal way he could, and he only
retired from the agitation against it when he found that,
the then Government thought proper to use the
Chartists to damage that agitation. lie was
cestain that no Ministry could stand which iden-
tified , itself with the Poor law. The late
G overnment bad fallen, and unless the • Right
Hon. Baronet repealed the harsh clauses of that law, he •
(1: r. F.) could assure him that he also must give way to
public opinion.
Mr. BODKIN thought the changes that had been
made in the law were calculated to confer great benefit
upon the parties who were more immediately inte-
rested in the working of these laws. He was not dis-
posed to adopt the mischievous and unfounded statements
of those who asserted that the promoters of the mea-
sure were actuated either by heartless indifference
to the sufferings of the people, or a desire to promote
their own private views. He could not help lamenting,
however, the absence of all discrimination in the character
and conduct of the poor. The idle and in-
dustrious, the prudent and the profligate, were.
permitted to stand upon the same level, and
had an equal claim upon the public purse.
The Bill was then read a second time.
On the question that it be committed on Fray,
Mr. WAKLEY hoped the Right Hon. Baronet would
nit press the committal of the Bill on Friday next. • He
thought an opportunity should be afforded Hon. Mem-
hers of discussing it fairly.
;;ir R. PEEL did not think it unreasonable to propose
thin t they should go into Committee on Friday. A discussion
on the whole question would be irrelevant in his opinion,
al. l.ough, of course, he could not prevent the Hon. Diem-
he from entering on thatrdiscussion if he thought proper.
He thought there did not exist any objection to the pro-
pesal that the House resolve itself into Committee on
that Bill on Friday next.
The question was then put that the Bill be committed
on Friday, and agreed to.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM moved for leave to bring in.
a 1;i11 to provide for the payment of the persons employed
in taking account of the population in England. There
were 38,000 enumerators in England and Wales, and.
only .50,00C1. was to be granted for their remuneration ;
it could thus be seen how small the sum was which
was to be paid to each person employed in the duties
imposed by the Bill.
heave was given to bring in the Bill, au d it was read
a first time.

(hi the motion of Sir R. PEEL the House then Ad-
journed to Friday.

THE NEW MINIbIRY.

Sir Robert Peel will give a grand dinner, at his resi-
dence in Whitehall-gardens, on Saturday next, to all
the Foreign Ambassadors and Ministers at the British
Court, and the members of the Cabinet.

Lot:d Stanley is expected in town this evening fronr
L:ll:cashire.

numerous deputation of the Anti-Slave-trade .Asso-
ciat ion had a lengthened interview with Sir Robert Peel
thin morning at the Right Ron. Baronet's official resi-
dence, in Downing-street. The majority of the deputa-
tio consisted of members of the Society of Friends.
Admiral Sir C. Napier and the Earl of Wilton, had
interviews with Sir James Graham this morning at the
Ht me-office.—Evening Paper.

ATEST MANCHESTER BETTING.

MANCHESTER—TUESDAY EVENING.
As, far as personal attention and inquiry can accoin-
plib:i truth, we have every reason for stating that the
St. I" Jer settling has passed over so as to render it a
very bareness one ; indeed, the room this forenoon be-
spice anima Lion, which would not have been the case had'
Satirist made 1; hard hit or two.
Ai 1, tree, promises a fii,ld of nine, if not more. It "
The Palatine Stakes, to be decided to-morlow:ir
be
at 5 to,
was backed at 4 to 1, and on Saturday', widt gist,loo
the field..
a ~_ry sporting race. Last evening thei Lord Mayor.
1 ; the price was laid to-day, and offered
I patronized
following were as near the offers,
'W • cannot name the premier, as no one
&c.' as
't of obtaining
ro. ni and a dash of settling would admit
0 t 3 10 on the field—offered
tlO to 10 agst any • two—offered .
swell-patronized
The.
90 to 10 agst Mr. Goodman
taken
6 to 1 agst Lord Mayor—.
-en, then offered
Si to 1 agst Smollett—taken.
1 to 1 agst Remnant—taken .
el.
10 to 1 agst Flash— k 1
la arrne, Clinker, Galaor, and
ffered : take 5 to 2:
Oral, Haworth, ChainnT
lavtenreed,l
ebftu t
in ntho
the dark.
khici.
Evuetthar , n
sequently, 1 'ailven
No t ‘ed‘i'leetr:b„evers certainly
upon as regards Liver-
: 1:ilr.
otherpdi saenv
t at what is anticipated will he
cr. of turf gentlemen have left during
resell
hionable meeting..
a vcry good and_
. Frau several inquiries we are prepared.
THE goodl)EnnY betting race. Some engagements were
te expect a
tfluch sub rasa that we cannot venture upon.
the eveAninlagr,gteonbue:l,),-
fna.Te, but so
10
to 1
was offered v. Lord George's lot,
(1,'"'ll"s) against the Marquis of Westminster's two ;
and 12 to -
8 to 1 against Day's lot, offered ;1,000 to 40 v. Aukland,
Dirt red.
-rm.; MARQUIS OF WESTMINSTER'S STUD, &C.---
I‘l,-. Scett is no longer the Noble Marquis's trainer ;
his horses will be trained by Mr. Osborne, at Delamere
ro est. " The string, from Pigburn, passed through
ycAerday, As may be supposed, various reasons are
assigned ; but, from a very leading quarter, we can
strte.. that his Lordship was not dissatisfied, but wished
all his race horses, brood mares, &c., to be nearer his
own eye, for the gratification of oftener seeing them; the
distance to Mahon from Eaton Hall having precluded
that pleasure.

Corpulent persons desirous of regaining their
shape should apply to some newspaper establishment for the
otli. eof collector. They will run their fat off long before their
station becomes a sinecure.—.American Paper.
NEW PROJECTILE,--It appears from a state-
menthab invented a:ball which not only strikess but ignites the ob-
ject struck with fires which cannot be extinguished !. Half
pay has alwas been considered and proved to be a great =en-
I tire to invention and uagenuity.