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NumßErt 9579.

WEDNESDAY, MAY 7, 1823.

PRICE SEVENPtNCE.

. . .
CONSTITUTIONAL ASSOCIATION, for OPPOSING
the PROGRESS of DISLOYAL and SEDITIOUS
PasistnE•Si T.—Sir JOHN SEWELL, LL.D. F.R.S.
E CONST LT UTI ONA ASSOCIA,
TION, was formed in December 1820. Its establish.:
mem was called for by the alarming influence of a licentious
Press in disseminating Disloyal-and Seditious Feinciples—an
evil which had become the general subject of complaint in nu-
merous Loyal Addresses and Resolutions, throtighont all parts
of the kingdom.
Zeilously attached to the Legal and Constitutional Liberty of
the Press, the Association stood forthto guard this great- and
invaluable privilege from perversion and abuse; and for thia pur-
Pose it proposed to itself two especial objects—the encourage-
ment of loyal and able writings in support of the Constitution ;
and the restraint of Seditious and Treasonable Libels.
The Association had soon the satisfaction to number among
tts auPporters persons of the highest rank and respectability in
the state : Members of both Houses of Parliament, Magistrates,
IletgY, and others, wtiose, names have been made public in for-
meradvertisentents. The Committee, to whom was entrusted
rite task of carrying into effect the purposes of the Association,
have unceasingly devoted their exertions to this great duty.—
They have, in strict conformity with the original avowal of the
principles of the Association, invariAblO leave from mingl,
tug in the party politics of the day. They neither mint-
nerated any work in support of party prihciples; nor have they
prosecuted any libel on personal character, however elevated ;
but they have encouraged attempts to illustrate constitutional'
doctrines, and they have endeavoured to restrain publications
subversive of the resshict due to the Sovereign, to- the Consti-
tuted Authorities of the State, to the public Administration of
Justice, and to the Civil and Religious Institutions of the Em-
igre. It was their desire, by encouraging writers of integrity
and talent, to persuade rather than to punish. But, against
publications of lucre invective and malevolence, directed. not'to
the judgment, but to the baser passions of mankind, argument
and reasoning arc or no avail ; and it became necessary, in se-
, veral flagrant instances, to consign offenders of this description
to the punishment of the law.
• The.COmmittee, however, did not adopt this last measure
without great caution. Anxious to warn the ignorant, and un-
willing to proceed againat any but wilful transgressors, they
('aused A short, but clear exposition of the Law of Libel to be
Uprinted and distributed among the venders of Impious and Se-
ntilusbooks and
that ; and no prosecution was commenced
it appeared the warning thus given had been ineffectual.altoge-
ITraeasicea (vi
owv
eeQuery
In the sante spirit of moderation 41eY em-
ilidpogrecutunriittyy ogfiveenxe,reising lenity, where contrition
creepered. limas that, the offence. would .not be
be proper to add, that the Committee tiro-
.ne.dc d only he plam, legal, and constitutional course by
eminuncut ; t
bt tileY preferred no bill but by the advice of
vi.cent Counsel ; that every 'publication prosecuted by them,
to
lett has hitherto come before Court,. has been pronounced
wed at
beanth itjelquutitete;tl7d
an t).
defendant by that in. no one instance. has
tra.ve,,,euP:evgreery,°stfetlyir operations the Committee have been
They will 'not allude to the personal
".191IY land misrepresentation which they have so eflectually
PPelJed, nor to the alleged unlawfulness of measures which
declared by the highest judicial authorities to be
but the effect of the dexterity any management
rted on behalfet the accused to defeat the ends of justice,
been such as to impose great additional labour on the Corn-
4rtudottelee,nttoupleroec; astinate the proceedings, and. very greatly to
pence of prosecutien.
The sums. subscribed to the present moment are considerably
under Seven Thousand Pounds and it is scarcely necessary to
observe, that the services of the' Committee (all- of whom are
contributors to the funds or rho Association) have been per-
fectly gratuitous. The disburseinents have consisted in the re-
muneration of Loyal Writers,. in the;pablication of Traets, in
ethe heavy essence of Advertisements and Printing, in Law-
hhaayregfeesitfoitrtthheeirndeyuumerous Prosecutions which the Committee
to institute or to defend, and in Rent,
Sa lariea to Clerks, and other incidental payments, during a
'Period,
hof nearly two years and a half.
Or the success of their measures, the Committee may refer
to te diminished circulation of those Seditious Libels, which
rendered the Association necessary ; and to the suppression of
those odious prints which condense within the compass of a
Vage the poison of a volume. The convictions obtained against.
some of the most hardened and persevering violators of the
•latw have operated as salutary examples to deter others; and
the beneficial.effect on public morals and public tranquillity is
100 marked not to strike the most cursorteobserver.
Sedition and Disloyalty, however, though checked, are not
eradicated ; and it' is with deep regret that the Committee have,
iiceody seen degraded rank and perverted talent enlisted in this
evil cause. To meet Such adversaries fUither exertion is still;
Acea'arY; and the 'Committee appeal to the Friends of the.
lociation, and to the Public in general, for additional sup.;
Port, confident that they shall receive it from all, those who feel
en interest in the welfare of their country ; and who, like them-
re; are sensible of the danger to ~which its Religion, its
orals, and its Constitution, are still exposed.
By order of the Committee
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PARLIAMENT,

be given up for the same purpose and he therefore hoped, that
they might proceed forthwith to die inquiry. -'
Sir T. LE'r LT BRIM.; E reminded the House of the situation
in which the motion of which he had given notice, on the hqb-
ject of Agricultural Distress, now stood. It had so happened,
that the House had been occupied for three nights successively
on. a question of great public importance, on account of which
his motion had stood over. It was then proposed by the Secre-
tary of State that the House should adjourn over the next day.
Of this he did not complain, but it had caused his motion to
be put off again. It was then agreed that it should be taken
on Iridaz, on which day. the Hon.' Member for Wareham was
also to bring forward his motion but it noW appeared that the
understanding which had been come to was not sanctioned by
the Chancellor of the Exchequer. He wished to ask what was
the intention of the Right Hon. Gentleman.?.

HOUSE OF LOR

DS, MAY 6.

Marquis CAMDEN presented a:petition from the Corpora..
tion of Bath, against the General Gaols Bill.
The Duke of GRAFTON presented a petition from Had-
leigh, in the county of Suffolk, praying a mitigation of the evils
of Slavery.
Lord CALTHORPE presented a petition from the inhabi-
tants of Buty St. Edmund's, with a similar prayer to that of
the preceding petition.—The several petitions were ordered to
lie on the table. ..

Mr. LAMBTOXi Mr. S. WiiITTIREAD, and other Members
of the House of Commons, brought rip several Private Bills,
which were read the first time.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, the Hon.
Baronet was wrong in supposing that he had not given his
sanction to the understanding which had been conic to. The
only difficulty was in arranging the many important motions,
of which notice had been given, so as to adroit of the inquiry
into the conduct of the Sheriff of Dublin being proceeded with
immediately..
Mr. CALCRAFT was willing to promote. the views of the
House with respect to the inquiry, by consenting. to. the,post..
ponenient of his motion, on the understanding that priority
should be conceded to him so soon as the inquiry would per-
mit. He could wish a day to be fixed then, but if this could
not be done, he should be satisfied with the understanding
which he had suggested.
Mr. Secretary PEEL, thought the best practical course would
be to go into the inquiry at once, or in a conversation with
respect to the motions of which notice had been given, a couple
of hours would probably be lost. One of the motions stood in
a peculiar situation.--that of the Hon. Member for. Knares-
borough, on the subject of the criminal laws, the House having
&Jared last Session its determination to take up that question
early in this. Notwithstanding the resolution 'to which lie
alluded, nothing had been tiOne up to the present hour. He,
however, thought it would be desirable to proceed with the
inquiry at once.

A person from the Treasury presented Superannuation Re.
turns.

THE LATE NEGOCIATIONS.
Earl GREY adverted to the notice which he had given on a
former day, of a motion for additional papers, which stood for
to-morrow • and understanding that to-morrow would be an in-
convenient day for many Noble Lords, he was desirous of post.
poningit ; but as Thursday. was it day 011 4.;hich the House did
not Sit, and Friday would he very iniarreenient to himself; he
WAS driven to name ao late a day as Monday, though he was
desirous of giving some explanation in reply to observations
which had been made on his conduct with respect to the Spa-
nish question, as if his opinion on that sub,lectliad been differ-
ent at a former period trom that which he now entertained.
His opinions on the Spanish question were precisely the same
now as ever, but that was a secondary matter ; heonly now rose
to move that the order forsurnmoning their Lordships on Wed-
nesclay be discharged, and that the House be summoned for
Monday next.—Agreed to.
ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE IN WALES.
Lord CAWDOR, after stating the many inconveniences re-
sulting from the pment mode of administering Justice' in
Wales, concluded by moving that the Report of the Select Corn_
mince of the House of Commons (a copy of which had been
communicated to their Lordships) should be refeired to the
Committee now sitting on the state of Appeals.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL, without entering into the
merits of the question, objected to the motion on the ground
that till the very important subjects which were already before
that Committee were disposed of, it would be highly inexpe-
dient to burden them with any fresh matters; and more parti-
cularly as there was a bill betore the other House for remedying
the abuses in the administration of justice -in Wales, which,
when it came before their Lordships, would give an opportu-
nity for considering the subject.
Lord COLCHESTER said his opinion on the evils result-
ing from the separate jurisdictions in Wales was still unchang-
ed ; but he had always considered any remedy to be applied as
combined with thepossibility and expediency of increasing the
number of Judges in England. Ile uk,need in opinion with the
Noble Earl' (I.lverpoOl)that the "motion of the Noble Lord was
quite foreign to the subject under the consideration of their
Lordshipii Committee now sitting, i•nd that it would be better
to defer am steps till the bill came from'the other House.
The LORD CI EA NCELLOR assured the Noble Lord
(Calvticrr) that he had no knowledge Whatever of -the bill be-
fore the other House, except that he had learnedfrom the news-
Tapers there Was such a bill in Progress : if it reached that
House, he assured the Noble Lord he should give it his unpre-
.
judiced_attention._ • _ .

Sir. .1. MACKINTOSH briefly explained the Circumstances
under which his motion on the subject of the Criminal Laws
had been delayed, and expressed himself willing to postpone it,
important as it was, for a short time longer, to suit the conve-
nience of the House.- • •

Mr. BECHEft Offered a few words, which.wer6 nearly
audible in the Gallery., He Was understood to concur in the
arrangement made for proceeding with the inquiry:

SHERIFF OF DUBLIN.
• The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then moved
the Order of the. Day for the House resolving itself into a
Committee to inquire into the conduct of the Sheriff of Dublin.
Col. BARRY said he. feared that die inquiry would not
.ter..
minute this week, because in consequence of what passed last
night he should think it necessary to call othir witnesses from

After some conversations as to the disposal of certain Notices
from different MeMbers, standing
.for the days expected to be
occupied by the inquiry, the House went into the Committee.

PLUNKETT said, that he had been desired to make a
communication to the House, which was not, perhaps, regu.
lar ; but he had thought it right to comply with the request.
The House would recollect that in the inquiry of last night the
exiunination of a witness; .named ill'Connell, retlectedupon
the commercial character of an individual who had applied to
.hiin, named, Witdden.n In consequence of what. that witness
said, llir. Wadden:had desired him by letter 'to state to the
House that he had not. left Ireland to avoid his.creditors, and
that although a Commissien of .111mkruptcy had been issued
against him, that Commission had afterwards been superseded:

- • The Marquis of BUTE, though he concurred in the ulterior
objects whirl' the Noble Lord (Cawdor)•had in view, yet he
crld not bat agree that the 'objection which the Noble
Litrl (Liverpool) made to the coin-Fie of proceeding W 8.3 well
- -

- After.e few words, in reply, from Lord (I,swi)ou, the quo'.
tion was put, and negatired without a divisiou.—Adjourned
till to-morrow (this atty.)

Sir It. ITIMON-e•XpresSed his wish that 111 embers examin.
ing witnesses would ilace themselves further from the liar, so
that the witnesses might he heard ; 'Knit that 'Members tionvers.
ing on other subjems would not deem it abSolutely necessary to
do so within the llouse.
Barrett Wadden was then callei and examined. Live...l itt
I lunter4treet ;I's a silk-nuninfactu ter ; kumsq a pasha of the
nameof-Weininell, the pkirson who was before the house last
HOC; 'saw him immediately after the riot in the theatre ; re.
sided:hi Dublin until the: time of the triel ; saw him about the
time of-the trial ; met bin on the. Saturday following, and he
expressed his sun rise at the condrict of Sheriff Thorpe, in W.litisa
complifly he 'had been the night before; Ilia words were
thm.--" The, Sheriff not only chewed great ignora.nee, but
his conduct was so extraordinary tharl thought !Tie
.could
not have the right use of his senses. There were present the
Sheriff, the Sheriff's Ladv, Mrs. Sibthorpo, Mrs. Sibihorpe's
daughter, John Al4Connell, and William Graham, one of the
rioters. They were playing at cards. Graham turned up the
knave of clubs, and said, that was the Lord Mayor, anti he
wished that he was out of office, and that he could hanhim
up. Mrs: Sibthorpe, who 'int in a corner of the room asked him
how he. could do that, 'Oral-nun being a little man. lie answer.
ed that he could jump up and reach his throat. The Sheriff
said; "'Damn the Marquis of Wellesley; he'll do no good for
this country tilt he's out of SOine one present asked the
Sheriff what was likely to he done with the persons concerned' its
the iiht. HeansWered they were In safe hands, for lic had the
Orange pannel in his pocket. This happened on the Tuesday
preccdsng the Wednefulay, when M'etmnell told it to Wands
felt it a atity to his fellow citizens and the public that it should
be knOwn.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

SHADWEIA4 CHURCH RILL-
Mr. IVIIITHIAD moved the tbird reading of the Shad-
well Church Hi which was carried,
Mr. D. GILI4E/I2' then moved a clause to authorise the,
election of additional Trustees, by the Churchwardenivand'
Vestry.

After a discussion, in which Air. Whitbread, Alr.,Ryng,,
Mr. Bennet, Sir J. Graham, Mr. 4tutterworth, Air. P.Aloore,
Sir J. Mackintosh, and Mr. Alarryat participated, the eland,.
was agreed to, and the Bill. was Passed.
Sir R. FEIiCiUSON presented a petition from the 11Icr-
chants of Dundee, praying the house to .abolish the restraints.
imposed by divas Scotch Acts.of Parliament, on the subject or
fishing:'-Ordered.to be printed.
PORTS.LA :FISHER • BILL
Mr. -POVNTZ moved the second reading of the Portsca
Fishery Bill.
Mr. BERNAL opposed theinotion; and moved asan amend-
nient, that the Bill should be read a 3CC.JuiI time on that -day.
six months.

•
—Sir L COFFIN objected to the restreints. proposed to be
enacted by this. Bill.
M r.• YN TZ defended the measure.
• The 'ATTORNEY-GENERAL protested against the prin-
ciple of the Bill, as an infringement on public fights.
.11r. W. SMITH spoke-on'the same
111 r. HURST stateti'lhe sole object of the framing of the
Bill to have been, to protect and encourage
,the fishery.
Mr. SY K ES'opposed the Bill. •
Mr. H USK ISSON had been requested to bring. ins Bill on
this subject but had not complied, as he had had some doubts
of the expediency of doing so ; but at the same time he con.
iddered 'it a great hardship that foreigners should come to
'our shores and carry off by their mode of dredging, not the
mature fish, but the infant oyster, in such a state ghat it must
be preserved elsewhere for a time before it could be fit for
consumption. He admitted that the evilought to, be reme-
died, but thought this ought to be effected not by a local Bill,
but by a public Act. It the present measure,were withdrawa,
and a public mu introduced, he should be ready to give it his
support.
After a feW words frog: Sir W. ryz Ctizsrtosr the House
divided, when the numbers were._
For the Amendment • - - 97
• Against it . - 39
' Majority - -—5 O
The Bill was therefore lost,
The SPEAKER directed the attention of the House to the
hour at which they 'ere then arrived,,and wished to know if it
wire their pleasure to proceed further with the private business.
After a short pause, there was a'cry of " t.io on," and the
House accordingly proceeded to the second reading of the
LIAIERICK TAXATION BILL
Mr. S. RICE called the attention of the House to this mea-
sure. He contended that great abuses Lad prevailed in the
City of Limerick, and he therefore hoped that the House would
not pass the measure over as one of small importance, because-
it was local. He proceeded to describe the mai-practices which
this Bill was intended to correct, and stated. these to have taken
from the Consolidated Fund not less than 1,008/. ,
Mr. WODEHOUSE supported the measure, and said that
facts bid-C(oe out before the Committee, on the affairs of the
City of 'Limerick, which were revolting to every honourable
feeling.
Mr. O'G RADY spoke in behalf of the Corporation of Lime-
rick, tend stated the. members of it .to be; may to defend their
charter and their conduct in any court in which they might be
permitted to do so. He considered theM entitled to every at-
tention front the House. He moved as an amendment, that
the Bill should be read a second time on that day six months.
The tunendinent was not seconded, and the Bill was read a
second dine, and ordered to be committed.
BUSINESS OV,THE HOUSE.
Sir R. HERON- wished to know what Course WAR to be
taken with the business of the night, and whether theyy were to
go on et an early hour with the inquity into the conduct of the
sheriff' of Dublin, or whether the notice of a Noble Lord Was
first to be proceeded with F
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER understood it
to hive been the purpose of the House, on the preceding night,
to go early into the inquiry this day. A satisfactory arrange-
ment could not be made without the consent of all sides. The
Noble Lord opposite, who had a right to claim Precedence,
had consented to give way, it his motion could be takennext
week, in the order in which- it now stood, as compared with
Others. If the Hon. Member for Knaresborough would con-
sent to -m
postpone hisotion, which stood far Tuesday, he fiat-
tered himself, there would be no indisposition to let the Noble
Lord take precedence on that day. Another motion of 'great
importance Stood for to-morrow,- whicht he understood `would

!ceived since last Advertisement.
J. Leei,litui. LL.D. 2d; 1 1
Mrs. rechell, 2d 2 2
J. Bourke, Esq. - 2 0
M. W:.Atwood, Esq. 2 0

D. Bell, Esq. . 1 0
M. BurfOrd, Esq. - 2 0
J. Hanson, Esq. Wood-
_ ford, 2d 2 0

This evidence having been read; the witness said he had
only.toidd; that when Sheriff Thorpe went out; they all laid,
"Be dainn'd to the Marquis of Wellesley." On .the Thurs-
day following, communicated. this to the Government ; stated
to thif.Atiorney-General the principal part of what he has
stated now. Das been very unfortunate in trade; after having
a large business, and a good deal of money, has lost it .all;
has heen'a hinkrupt, and the commission was superseded; has
never been compelled to leave Ireland, or his house, for one
moment,- to avoid his creditors—his only two creditors, that is,
if all his other debts, such as any man keeping' house must
haVe--they would not amount to 151.
Examined by Col. liannY—The part of the conversation
witness stated to the Attorney-General, was that of the expres-
sions used by Graham. Did not mention to him that Sheriff
Thorpe said he had the Orange pannel in his pocket ; • did tot
tell.him ad, because the Attorney-General was acquainted with
the fact at first. John AP-Cannel was sent forte the Castle and
examined upon oath,'and then swore to what habad told witness.
The examination then turned upon private and, domestic
facts, which could not properly be made public ; .nor could some
discussions which took place relating to them.
William Poole was then called in and examined—Occopi4s
lands; has been'a Member of the Corporation since 1802;
longs to the Corporation of Brewers; resided in Dublin during
the time of the riot at the theatre; was daily in Dublin during
that time; remembers the trials; knows Mr. Sheriff Thorpe;
for several years has known bins ; had some conversation with
him respecting a'Jury, before the riot took place : I told bun I
wished to be on the next Jury ; it was about the middle of
November; he said I should be; I was not upon that Jury. 1
toldand wh iasm
tlmtlihtdfuagrnht hs ehad broke
station
:hesati his
said
it wordwas
mfo
or tartyssi
beptttarrl
loesaesse,
all parties ; -he had a hard card to
,play : j alluded to a Alt.
Sutter who had been conspicuous in dressing the statue; 'had
assisted to oust Mr. Sutter from the-Brewer's Company;
Sheriff Thorpe said that conciliation would not do for that Jury ;
the Sheriff is intimate with Mr. Sutter; I knew of no cause for
excluding_ me from the Jury, except what took place between
me and Mr . Sutter; there had been no difference between me
and the Sheriff; except political differences ; I did not see him
until the clinker day afterwards ; he then took my hand, and.
said he hoped every thing would be 'forgotten, and that We
should be good friends ; I went away without saying any thing.
Hi asked me to his Civic Dinner but I did not go. There has
been another Assembly' since ; I saw the Sheriff' there. A vote
of censure waspoposed upon the Attorney-General; I moved
an amendriient,. but the Sheriff' declared the original motion
to be carried.
Examined by Colonel BARRY—My reason for wishing to be
on the grand Jury was that I thought a question would COITIe
on between Lord Roam-tore and a Mr. 0 Meant ; I stated this
to the Sheriff; "applied- "applied- to Sheriff Cooper to be on the jury;
he then told ins that my conciliation speech was the 'cause
my not being on the pannel ; I did not know the twzinatien
against Air. O'Meara ; I heard it was something, about Lord
Itossmore.

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J. Popplewell, Esq. 2d 2 0
W. Simpson, Esq. - 2 0
Rev. R. Twopenny, 2d 1 0
B. Smith, Esq. - 5 0
J. M. - - - 5 0
41. M. - 1 0
Rev. R. Roberts 2d 2 0
B. Bayley, Esq. - I I
Rev. H. Meares 2d 1 1
A. Askew, Esq. 2d An. 2 2
P. Bois.sieu, Esq. 2d 5 0
J. T. Batt, Esq. 2d 5 5
D. J. Sherwin, Esq. 1 1
C. E. Isham, Esq. 2d 1 o

A. D. - - - 5 0
Col. W. E. Madan 2d 1 1
W. Mitford, Esq. 2dAn. 2 2
Mrs. Langton - 2d 1 1
Mrs. Downes - 2d 1 1
A. B. - - - 1 1
J. Bullock, Esq. 2d 1 1
Rev. R. Downes - 1 1
H. Rowland, Esq. 2d 1 1
Lt.-Govr. Browell, 2d 1 1
C. Grant, .Esq. - 5 0
Sir S. Northcote, Bart. 1 0
Rev. R. Worsley, 2d 2 2
J. Bereaford, Esq. 2d 5 0
R. &J. Fuller,Esqrs.Sd 10 0
G. Jackson, Esq. 2d 2 2
W. P. Burrell, Esq. 3d 2 2
W. Forsstein, Esq. 2 2
J. Jacks, Esq. 2d - 2 2
Col. Worsley, 2d . 2 2
Rev. W. G. Garrett IS 0
Gen. P. Maitland, 2d 5 0
L. M. Carter, Esq. 10 0
D. N. - - 10 0
U. Crane; Esq. - 3 0
Rev. J. Goodall, D.D.
2d Ann. -5 5
0. Hargreave, Esq. 2d 1 1
J. Sedge w ick, Esq. 2d 2 2
Mrs. Palmer, d. . 5 0
T. Jackson, Esq.: 2d 5 0

By Sir (4 EMIG t: i f itf—l consider Sheriff Thorpe as a patty
man. He is called " a Protestant Ascendency" man. t am
the only person of the name of Poole in the Corporation; I
have not been successful hitherto In my propostitms at public
gs meetin ; think we are now mending.- - I was told by 'a rt.:-
erectable Alderman that the cause of my tang kit oft the 17aunel

by Sheriff' Thorpe 'was my conciliation speeelt; it was Alder-
man SnAth.

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Sit: J. STEwAnT—t thougt it her:inning my station to
ask to be on the grand jury. Laid not tell the Sheriff ' know
O'Meara. .

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The Notes of Sheriff' Cooper's evidence was here read, to
!thew that the Sheriff had declared something• in contradictioa
to the witness ; but the question which led to the necessity at,
this examination was not pressed, and was expunged..
Examination resumed by Mr. BliowsLovv-1 did not make
any offer to Sheriff Thorpe to induce 'him to put. me on.. the
Jury.--(The 'witness then wished to advert In explanation to a
statement made respecting him last night by the Hon. Member
for Armagh.)
An irregular conversation here arose, in the course of which
Mr. OBEY BENNET said, he thought the witness ought,
to be admonished, as he considered the witness's conduct to iv!
highly indecent.

Sir J. NE WronT and Mr. C. Fonnrs defended the witness.
Mr. Alderman WOOD said, it was common everyday .in
London for a person to ask to be put on the grand jury.
Sir ROBERT SHAW was sure the witness had no linen:.
tion of giving the smallest offence to the noose.
The witness was then called in, and informed by the Cti.4;1,..
MAN, that in his answers he was to avoid making tiny allusion
to the persons who put the questions, and to consider then; as
put through the Chair ; but that ho was not to refrain feOis,
stating any thing he might think necessary to hisjustificatiou.
The last question was read by the short-band writer, and the
wimps was told he might go into the explanation he haq
spoken of.
The witness again adverted to Members of the Iloutte in the
course of his statement. •

Lord MILTON admonished the witness that he must not
mention any Member, or comment upon any thing that wa:4
uttered in that Bouse.
The witness expressed his willingness to proceed with.his
statement, but could not finds way of doing so, he said, y
ieL
out adverting to the Ildn. Member for Armagh.
Mr.
,ABERCROMBY .suggested that the difficulty iiiight
be overcome by his describing what he Wished to remark upon
as something which he had somewhere Seem
The witness was here ordered to withdraw.
Sir GEORGE HILL contended that the witness must not
in any way be permitted to deliVer his commentary from that
bar on what he had heard or seen in that House;
STURGESS BOURNE thought it would be unfair'th
preclude the witness from alluding to what had been uttered,
reflecting upon his character. •
Mr. BROWN LOW said, that he, fur one, was most anxious
that the witness should be allowed to advert to any thing he
(Mr. Brownlow) might be supposed to have stated to the pro,
juclice of his character.

The witness having been called in, stated, as well as Wer
could understand him, that he had seen something imputed to
him in a newspaper relative to his having offered a compromks
to be pia upon the grand jury, which be declared, in the face
of that Honourable Assembly, to be as gross a libel as ever was
uttered.

Mr. J. WIiLIAMS—Q. When you Speak of conciliation.
men-, do you mean' those who wish to adhere to the injunctions
contained in his Majesty's Letter ?—A. Yes.
Q. Why do you consider that Sir W. Smith ought to have
been foreman of the jury for 1f123 ?—A. Because it is the eustont
that the sheriff for the former year should bo the foreman fki?
the next. „. .
Q. You say you have served upon three grand juries unt.cr
Sir W;Smith ; were they Commission Juries P—A. Yes.
Mr. PLurtx ETT...,Does the witness Mean to say that' the.
Sheriff of each, year, must, or merely thathe may be the For..
Man of the succeeding ?—A. I mean it is eustoniary.
Mr. J., WI U. wits7-Upon how many conannssion Juries
have you served ?—A. I cannot ray; but I,know that the jury
of last year were composed of& different class of men front tittle
of 112.3, There four'or five respectable Roman Catholics.
Q: In what respect were they different from the jtiries,--Were
they of a higher or lower class in society?--A. There were more
party men.
Q. Of what party were they In 'my opinion of die
Orange party.
Q. Were they of trip same description or rank of persOnap.:._
A. Is have no means of ;if had the pannel here
could tell in a minute. I know there wets one Carpenter, is
I think On/At not to have been there.
Q. What party was he ofP---A. The Ascendants, or (41...-tge
party.
' Mr. WILLIAISIS wished the Witness to Wive the pannel'of
1/12:1 handed over to hint.
sir ROBERT lIJMON stiggeilt(Al this could not be .d'eiL!
without great delay.
A printed list of the panne' was here handed by the Mt- i 1
to the Witness. ,

•
Mr. WWIIIERELL thought his Tim and Learned Friend
was going into too extensive a range of inquiry.
• 31r. WILLIAMS contended he rtes confining 'his inquirits
to the legitiniute limits, in asking the change in the character
of the Jury of 11123, fr:,n) that of those preceding,. •
The witness here read over-the mimes in the list which had
been handed to him, commenting upon each name, statinglo
what party he conceived each .to heloug,..and oectouoniilly rc-
latingsineedotes of individuals whore„namea were before him,
in, illustration of hianpiotons„ llejstattittthat John Shorter and
John Matthews were rather moderate men—he uw many Cor-
poration, men; and bittlew Ca'stholicit, Oda of them he knew
went, to the t which he.understoodithe "'glorious anti
immortal memory" was not to be drank, with a placard on
hat with thiWtOtistin birgeietters,and Wore 4ilikat on durily;
the whole time of the dinner.

Q. State Whether the rank ofthoserindividuals, whote names
you have read in the paperhanded to yeti, corresponds with
the rank of those who composed the,three preceding Cornets-
sion Juries ?—A. fly no means ; on the. former there were Ra..
Man Catholic citizens OfgteitiesPectability, one of whom was
worth 120,0001.; the majority were respectable, and of a higher
rank in society. . •
Sir N. COLTHU M.—Q. You have commented on the Jury
of ;do you think that, because many of them have drank
the " glorious and irrational nienioryrthey were likely tO be
swayed in their duty as Jurymen on their oaths;-A`. That is
a difficult qUeition to answer:Mear,' heat 1)
Mr. Jo xEs.--AVould the '.Sheriff not dunk that such a set
amen were likelY to be swayed ?
Mr. Secretary !'EEL said he thought questions of` thfit deo
scription had better not be asked. The tendeocy of the
to-eta away with' juries altogether. The fact of 'Whether the
jury were Oran getnen or not might he ascertained ;'bat whether
they wale likely to be swayed- because of their opinions, or
whether the Sheriff. had an object ht view in selecting them,
was a course of examination that it was not, at the least, politic
to enter upon.
Ir. JONES said he only asked the question with reference
to that which had been imtnetliately before put to the witness.
maintained, the . propriety of the question he
had put.
Mr. OOULIIURN observed, that it could not be useful ro
demand the witness's inference from facts from which it was
in the power of every Member' in the House to draw au in.
ference.

Mr. WILLIAMS said that it appeared to him that:the
Right Moo. Sgeretalys .and the. Hon. Baronet, had tot* mis.
taken the object of inquiry, on that side of the House. He
never meant to inter.that men holding particular opiniorts were
disqualified from, solemn duty ; but whether or not set of teen
of particular notions or feelings wets ;elected. on the occa4iOn
in (p
, Mr. secretary PEEL said, that his objection was not'emile
toany question of fact ;, but to every question or, inference be
did object.
Mr. WETHERELL contended, that the question objected
to involved in the answer the opinion 'of the witness, upon
matter upon ieliierlif Was competent for every Member to
draw a correct iofcrppre, frwi.tbit tlsebi already
,clicited in evi.
den ce.

The witneas being called in, was asked by
Mr. ScatrtErr, whether, from hie knowledge of the
of party feeling m Publin, tho gentlemen of the jury were
ly to have very strong feelings ?—A. I helieve ttay werts,
Q. Would Mn tlheriff 'Thorpe be aware of that 4,-1 think
he must. '
Mr. I.lnowilLow.--(.1. Did you ever drink the " tilorious
and immortal memory ?"---A. I have ; but Litoly I ha* ob_
atained from attending the ,city Oasts, And 4:ovals giVen my
word I would not drink that toast, 1 ehoold think myself-tin*
for ;society if -1 tlid.
Celonei Dann v.-1n the grAnd jury you .qpeoit of, Were
there two'conciliation-men P—A. believe then !night Ite.
Q. Do you know a tnan of the name of TWitroev.—A.
do ; he is a akppotter of the Catholic (lairos.
Mr. ii -f1.2.1.4 the witness:woke of-the quatity of