The Sun.
London, England, 1841-05-14 00:00:00

EVEN INrCi- E_DITION v
Ccrk and Limerick, praying- :for the restorati f
tEn suppressed bishoprics in Ireland.
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Mr. SCHOLEFIELD presented a petitio rpm a
congregation of Protestant Dissenters, agains .
rates, and the jurisdiction of the Ecclesiastical fts. 7
Mr. STRUT presented a petition from Derby i
of the proposition of her Majesty's Government ikbgitv
regulation. of the import duties on corn, timber, and ( "" „
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sugar. . .

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I Petitions praying the House to make no alteration in
t:,e Corn-laws ' were presented by Sir P. Campbell ;
Mr. Bramston (9) from parishes in Essex ; Sir C. Bur-
rell fr.,1111 Sussex ; Sir John Tyrell from Essex ;Colonel
Rushbr&...'ke front Norfolk, and Sir C. B. 'ere.
Colonel SALWEY presented petitions from Bridg-
n
Coal Port, Quatt, and Quattford; in
1 Sohrrtolpl,sh •ißre r,o
p3ebraliri';4.7 for the immediate and entire aboli-
tion of the Corn-raw These petitions, numerously 3. .
signed, had been entrusted to him by the inhabitants a(
towns in a district purely agrici.:ltural.
Petitions praying tin-. the entire and lon.lediate repeal'
of the Corn-laws, and generally to favour of the,Govern-
ment - measure, - were presented by Mr. C42ins ; from.
the Mayor and_ other • inhabitants of Caroar!hes;
Mr. M. Philips, from Manchester ; Mr. I)enni.s.
town, from .forty-seven places in the West of 'cot--
land ; Mr.. W. Evans, from eight parishes in North
Derbyshire; Mr, Wilbraham, Cheshin: ; Mr. M`Aulay,
from two of
..the Guilds of Edinburgh ; Lord Morpoftl..
from Wakefield,Ottley; Leeds, and fifty other paces il2
the West Riding of Yorkshire ; Lord John Russell from 7.
&Mist,. Strotil and numerous other places ; Sir G.
Strickland, from 30 places in Yorkshire ,• Mr. .T. Parker,
from Sheffield ; Mr. Greg, 51 ; Mr. G. W. Wood, from
Kendal ; Mr. Ewart, '..Mr..Bustield, Mr. L. White, from
Sunderland, and by Mr. Hume. .

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Air.. cf DUDAS presented a petition from the Mayor,
Aldermen, and Burgesses of the borough of Flint, stating
" Thataour petitioners have heard with great satisfac-
tion that it is the intention of her Majesty's Ministers to
propose to Parliamentihe amendment of the laws relative
to the. importation of
_corn, by substituting a moderate
fixed diity for the paesent. sliding scale ; also to reduce
the duty. on foreign grown timber and on sugar. That
it is then, opinion this,-willgreatly increase the trade, &c.
of the country, and be of signal service to the labouring
_
classes.
.They therefore pray your Honourable House
do carry this• measure into effect." •
LORD CARDIGAN.
Air. ALUNTZ•aaid that in bringing forward the mo-
tion of which hadi.given notice, namely—" That an
humhle
.Address be presented to her Majesty, praying
her Majesty to .institute an inquiry into the conduct of
the Right Hon. the Earl of Cardigan, during his
command of the Eleventh Hussars, with the view
of ascertaining -how far such conduct has rendered
him unfit to remain • in her Majesty's service,
he wished to ,divide the House on the question before a
dissolution toolsaplacea-7(Hear.). He begged to state, that
in bringing forward the motion he disclatned all personal
feelings towards the, Noble Lord who was the object of
it ; in fact, ,he (Mr. Manta) never saw the Noble Lord.
He would not have brought forward the subject at all, if
Ire had notheen requested to do so, some weeks since,
by a great -many parties. Why they selected him
(Mr. Muntz); he knew not, unless it was that they
were... aware .-ef his being unconnected with anti
party, and independent of all men. He had hopel
that some older member of that House would take the•
matter in hand s but finding that such Was not,
the case, and feeling .that it ought not to be put off
any longer, he was obliged to take it up himself.
Disputes in the Army were generally of a private nature,
but in the prescatinatanee they had become so numerous,
and of such sachara,cter, as greatly to disgust a large por-
tion of society. The immediate cause of his (Mr. Muntz's)
motion. was the flogging of a man on the Sabbath-day ;
but he would not have considered even that a sufficient
justification for his interference, were it not that that was
but thelast of a: series of misconduct on the part of then
Noble Earl, which made it impossible to believe that there-
was not. something more culpable than neglect on his part.
He understOod that the Noble Earl had marched the men
out to .the
.Riding-School immediately after Divine
Service. for the express purpose of having a place fixed
for the punishment of the private, and that the punish-
ment had occurred very near the place of Divine
Worship, while the men were put into ceder
that they might witness the punishment. He had al-
ways considered flogging a disgusting exhibition-
(Hear, hear)—and he. did think that we should imitate,
in that instance the:example of the French, Prussians,.
and. other nations, who had abolished it altogether:—
(Hear,. hear.)a- There
.was a general feeling among the
public that the authorities at the Horse Guards
were not free from censure in the manner in which they
haddealt With the subject ; and that opinion was con-
firmed by finding that one of the Captain Reynolds
s now on full-pay with leave of absence, and a pro-
mise that he would never again be called upon to serve»
under the Earl of Cardigan. The truth was that the
Noble Earl appeared to-want the most necessary
quail-
fieati.-i for commanding men—the power of self-control.
In she course of two years, while the regiment was 350
strong, the Noble Earl had 105. courts-martial, and had
punished 750 men, and there were, not less than 90 mem
at one time in Canterbury. gaol.—(Hear.) During thet
20 years the ,regiment was in India, and while,
it . was 700,- strong, :the punishments had been less-
than during the two. years it had been under
his command. During the Noble Earl's command, in
one month there had been more courts-martial and
more deflailters than in the preceding twelve months. ..Ira
the s six following months, during which time the
regiment, was not tinder the Noble Earl's
command, there had been only.. two courts-martial.
It appeared that. he had refused Captain Rey nelda
leave of absence, which he had previously given, on
the ground that the Court-martial atwhich Captain Hey-
nulds was. present had come to a decision contrary to his
wish. Its was clear that the Noble Earl exercised he
greatest tyranny over his officers and man, and as a. kat,
fellow had said to him (Mr. Muntz), "What can I do ?
might ride out and cut him down, but I would be shot for it!'
If he (Mr. Aluntz) were placed in the situation of the.
Noble Earl he should.court inquiry ; at all events it was
clear that there was need of inquiry, and he had certainly'
shown quite enough to establish ground for an inquiry..
The Hon. Member concluded by submitting his motion..
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD seconded the motion.
Mr. MACAULAY' hoped to be able in a few
words to state to the House sufficient grounds for
dissenting from the motion Of the Honourable
Member. His first objection was a very ob-
vious one. It was a national objection. He thought
the Hon. Gentlennea himself would admit that while there
was no prerogative of the Crown, which that House was
net_entitled to offerits advice upon, yet it was necessary
that that advice ahould be guided by sound discretion. There were • some cases, and they were nothing
but extreme.eases, in which the House ought to give that
advice. In his opinion the rewards or punishments of
military men ought not to be the subject of discussion
in large.assemblies ; they should be left, to the Executive.
He admitted, however, that there might be extreme eases
in which such a course would be prudent and proper,_
but he must - confess that this was not that case. lie
thought the course which the Hon. Gentleman wished the
Crown to follow ought not to be pursued. In sayiag so,
however, he :begged it to be understood that he was not
offering any approval of the conduct of Lord Car Egan-
Of that- Noble Earl he must say, however, that whatever
other individuals might think of him, he (Mr. Macaulay)
considered him one of the most unfortunate men of the
present time. He considered that his conduct had been ex-
aggerated into far greater culpability than it was entitled
to. Into that question, however, he would not at present
enter.: But, taking the conduct of the Noble Lord to be
ever so bad, he thought the present motion most objec-
tionable in any way of considering it, because he thought
it was likely to establish a most dangerous precedent in
the present judicious system. What was the state of gen-
tlemen in the army ? y They bought their cummisA6ns,
and they gave the best years of their life in the service
of -their country. How, therefore, could it be expected
that gentlemen would hold those commissions if security
were not given to them. He thought that no officer shuutd
be deprived of his commission, except in consequence of a
court-martial ; there might be exceptions to that, but
those exceptions could only take place when an officer
had done an act cognizible by a court-martial, but where;
theie were objections to the adoption of such a course.
The conduct of the Earl of Cardigan, in his opinion, did:
not render him liable to a court-martial. If it was the,
fact that Lord Cardigan had given the lie to
several -of the - officers of the regiment, such
conduct was subject to great reprehension,
but it Was his (Mr. Macaulay's) firm belief, that if Lord
Cardigan had been guilty of such practices,
had been made to the Horse Guards. If the Hart.
Gentleman was prepared to . say that suchHill'
and
corn-
plaint had been made touo complaint
lie had paid no attention to it, Lordthat
ender
the case very different. With regard
tapisy
circumstance which had taken place oilt wouldict Easter igt
ouStet
nr:
he believed, however reprehensible
suchould state that
it person in that House
it subjected him to
w incecsrlet , laL
fib' but officers
theyada:
a coma
_!! The
out
coreiatrionthsaotf LitorddwHi
Would subject
e
the 'party to a severe reprimand. to the proposi-
hm:ltit:led
it
te
to iihnep riot pcurlailoeunelti hotoofhmuegistihsh)usuabkt conduct, ne dh
don of the Hon. Member to substitute a court of
inquiry:for a court-martial,
inconvenient, he must protest against it,
as exceedingly improper and be-
cause• when such a Court called witnesses before
it, it would itself, without the power to examin-
those witnesses, administer the oath to them.
Was it right that, in consequence of evidenee so
taken, before a tribunal so constituted, a punishment
should be inflicted upon an offieer, which, if he Were
a poor man, would, in a pecuniary point of
view, inflict, on him _utter ruin, and which,
at all events, whether he were poor or rich,
would • inflict upon his character such a stigma, as
would to him be infinitely worse than pecuniary
ruin ?asa(Cheers.) What that the manner in which
the officers of the Queen's army ought to be treated.—
induce
fiCtehiCieerus2, to
etlgioaittigvlett
timehe hpardepsetastiteidensfficciehnetetit.si
.) He
defied Gentlemen to imagine any motive -by which he-
, could poSsibly be actuated in the course which he was
P a proper regard for the duties of his office.
Whatother tive could he have had tut interfering in
behalftlliorhilg x
al- e
Nobleman width whom he had no conuec-
ssihoeiilelepldid not even know by sight, and of whom
all thatsheinew Was that he was a decided enemy of the
Government to which he (Mr. Macaulay) belonged, and
of those prificiplea to which he had always been attached.
' 'a--"Cheers fiaan the Opposition.)
Lord 'Gs LENNOX was anxious to allude to one
statement Which had been made by the Right Honour-
able Aleniber for Birmingham. The Honourable Mem-
. bet- had stated that the Earl of Cardigan had
given the lie- direct to one of his officers. That state-
meat he (Lora G. Lennox) would take upon himself to say
was not founclvd in fact.—(Cheers.) On only one occa-
siot, and then- not at the head of his regiment., but
in theallaner room, had something of the nature alluded
to taken place.—(Cheers.) But the Hou. Member had
no right to bring that forward, because the matter had
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