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of complaint that the Government did not ask for money 1 regulations, that not more than two returned with cargoes to
enough.—(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. baronet found this country. He looked to the consumer, as if no pasty
fault neither with the expenditure nor the policy of the Go- but a British sutject would be a sufferer if he rejected
vernment. He did not find fault with their policy in Canada, the boon so long withheld. Wish reference to the expenses
in China, or in the Levan-.—(cheers.) There was no doubt said to have beers incurred during tire adminittration of the
that the income in the lastsix years actually exceeded the ordi- j Government, and particularly that i elating to our naval force,
nary expenditure by 3,339,129/. He said that, looking to the 'he begged to call the attention of the House to what had ren-
ordinary expenditure, and not to contingencies—(Cheers)— dered it necessary. Was it not the conduct of those Gentle-
he thought they were justified in maintaining the principle men who, when the Navy Estimates were under considera-
enunciated by his Right Hon. Friend, that they should not tion, had found it necessary to depreciate our navy in the eyes
allow the income to fall below the expenditure—to that prinei- of ,foreign countries?--( Cheers.) He hoped that it would
ple they were determined to adhere. The Right Hon. Baronet teach them more discretion, sinee they found such proeeediugs
said that he (Lord John Russell) ought immediately to bring , must be ultimately paid tor.—(Hear, hear.) To conclusie,
forward the intention of the Government with respect to the ' those, whom he had the honour to represent, had sought relief
Corn-laws. Now, Ulm was to say that the Government held in a variety of forms, and had impressed upon him tee impor-
the doctrine of a total repeal, then there might be room for tance of emigration ' . but before he supported such a proposie
considerable agitation in the country. But, as they held the tion, he should wish to see the result of the present intention
principle of a fixed duty, he saw no reason to anticipate any of the Government to do justice, and which, if fairly carried
such disturbance of the public mind as the Right Ho- into effect, he was persuaded would be followed by tee bench-
nourable Baronet seemed to fear.—( Hear.) He did not cial effects that were so much required.—(Cheers.)
think that the proposition of the Government was liable to the fur. AARON CHAPMAN objected to the measure pro-
imputation thrown upon it by the Right Hon. Baronet. As posed to be brought forward by the Chancellor of the Exche-
to the Corn-laws in general, every one knew that it had been quer. The proposition respecting the timber duties would, he
the subject of discussion for years—(Hear, hear)—it had cm- conceived, if carried into effect, be attended with the most
stantly been a topic of agitation. Ile had no doubt commer- ruinous consequences to the maritime and commercial interest of
cial men would pay earnest attention to what might be the de- the country, and if so would place in jeopardy the interests
cision of Parliament upon the subject ; but he could not con- of the navy.
ceive that any agitation more than usual would follow the an- Mr. LABOUCHERE did not rise to address at arty
nouncement he had made. He thought it was a matter of length observations on any of those great questions which had
duty to go on with many important Bills which were befwe been announced to the House by his Right Hon. Friend the
the House to forward them, rather than at once to come to adis- Chancellor of the Exchequer, because he (Mr. Labouchere)
cussion of the Corn-laws. The Right Honourable Baronet was aware that there would be future opeortunities of discuss-
might endeavour to crush the question by forcing on an ing each of these questions with the deliberation to which
early discussion of the matter, but that was an attempt that they were entitled, inasmuch as they were the three must
could not succeed. The question was one i-f too great im- important questions connected with the trade and revenue
portance, and if that House were to deal unfairly by it, or re- of this country.—(Hear, hew%) But some remarks of
fused to discuss it upon fair terms, they would greatly aggra- a general nature had been made in the course of the debate
vete every objection held against these laws, and the question which made him ask for the indulgence of the Committee for a
would be forced upon them with increased strongth. What few moments. His Noble Friend the Member for Northum-
he was anxious for was that the subject should be discussed berland had asked the Government whether they were about to
with temper and calmness.—(Hear, hear.) He was sorry to bring forward the question of the Corn-laws as an isolated
see the disposition shown on the other side of the Hou-e.— question, or as one connected with some general principle which
(Cheers.) He could not but say that the anger shown by the they were disposed to recommend for general adoption by that
Gentlemen opposite was, not because he had postponed the House and the country. He (Mr. L.) had nu difficulty in
question for a few weeks, but because it was entertained by giving a distinct answer to that question. He thought it was
the Government at all.—( t. beers.) Rut, be that as it might, clearly stated by his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the
it would not alter the course which the duty of the Go- Exchequer that the Government, in proposing to the House to
vernment pointed out to them to pursue. —(Cheers.) ' reduce the duty upon corn, did not do so in reterence to that
Mr. WAKLEY was not one of those who joined in the one question mei ely, however important it might be, but did so
exultation shown on his side of the House, when the Right inasmuch as they came to the conclusion thatit was necessary for
Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer opened his Budget. They the general interest of this country arid for the whole commercial
were told that next year there was still to be a deficiency system.—( Hear.) 'f hey thought that it would be at once unjust
of 2,400,000/. ; to make up this, 400,000/. was calculated upon and impossible to do so without attempting to grapple with the
from some alteration of the Corn-laws, but were they sure to difficulties whatever they might be of what was the greatest of
carry their measure? However, he did not think the people of all the commercial questions of the country. And indeed he
the country would be satisfied with the statement. What would be ashamed of the position in which the Government
they wanted was a redueool of expenditure, without stood before the House and the country, if, whi.e they were
which they could have no real redef. The school of adversity preparing to recommend a change in the mailuireturiug and
taught srme very useful lessons, and might he ask when the comme cial interes,s which should bring sutlering on a parti-
new light broke in upon etinistess ?_( Cheers.) Was it since cular class, though it was in their opinion oesirahle for the
last night ?—( Loud Tory cheers.) Ihe Noble Lord asked general interest of the community—he would be ashamed, he
for, and had obtained, an acknowledgment that he was actuated said, if they shrunk from this question mere y because they ap-
by none but pure motives in bringing forward the question of preheated that any alteration in that question would
the Corn-laws. But if the Whig store-shop was run nut, aed encounter more opposition than any other, ines-
they were obliged to come to the Radical shoo for their coin- much as the most powerful parties might he
modities—(Loud laughter )—they ought to have the manliness supposed to have an interest in the continuarice of the Com-
to acknowledge their poverty, and recognise those from whom laws. That was a course of conduct whi h, if Government
they sought assistance. M hy, he would ask, was that the yursced, they would be justly liable to time reproaches of taat
peculiarly fit time? was it more fit than last year, or had it rot House and the country. Something had been said of his Hon.
been for late events? and had the question been brought for- Friend having made the Corn-laws a budget-question. He
ward by the representative of a large metropolitan borough, (-Mr. Labouchere) did not think tha his It ght Hon. Friend
would he not have been denominated a mischievous demagogue? did. What he said was, that conceiving it was convenient, he
—(Loud laughter.) The Noble Lord had obtained from the was prepared to recommend further alterations in the same di-
House an acknowledgment that he was actuated by the prin- rection, and thinking it right to consider the question of ihe
ciples of pure patriotism. He would, then, probably agree Kith Corn-laws at the same time, and anticipating from the pro-
him
t,,restthsaotftthheeremight be more than one English Cato.—( Loud pose]. which Government wuuid make, he would not ask
laughter.) He had always advocated a change in the Corn- the House to impose taxes to produce money which he antici-
laws—he had always thought them injurious to the best in_ pated could be procured by other sources. i hat wss the
country, but that question would not be taken manner in which his Right Henourable Friend had
alone—it affected every interest in the country. It was to he ntroduced the subject. He introduced it incidentally, and it
remembered that the farmer was a manufacturer, and that the was thus it became involved in the question of the Budget. He
labourer was, in many cases, a most skilled artisan. The (Mr. L.) had said that it was desirable they should carry into
manufacturers on his side of the House, then, must remember effect other questions not particularly adve.ted to. lie did
that in any change they could not be allowed to retain the pro- not say that treat ought to be done in a flurried and precipitate
tection they enjoyed, as the farmer believed, with so much al- manner ; oil the contrary, he was convinced of the complica,ed
vantage. If both sides would take up the question, fri e nature of those questions. Care and caution should be
from ail party motives—free from all factious or party brought to the consideration of them ; but as it was allowed
spirit— the advantages that would result would be that 'hey were come to a great crisis, not only commercial, but
incalculable ; but if a Corn-law agitation was to be manufacturing, the course pursued woulu prove that the
got up—if there were persons intending to get up such House was disposed to go in the right direction ; although
an agitation for the mere purpose of obtaining a party at the same time, considering each particular subject,
triumph—(Cries of " Oh, oh !")—thereby throwing the as brought forward on particular occasions with all the de-
country into a state of confusion, there was no term of re- liberation it required. With respect to the import duties he
'woad' inpmoths,oietuiolEdnn:llhieslhfiilathonneg.uage strong enough to be cast upon had some opportunity of judging of what were the feelings of
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that course, he would raise himself to a high position in the and the excitement in the country subject
country ; if he confined himsel to the question of the Corn- hail called into existence, he begged to say that they had riot
laws, he would do no good, and might do an immensity taken a party colour in any manner. All party eteeling had
of evil. been merged—Tory, Whig, and Radical had joined together
Lord HOWICK was sorry that he did not see the Right in what they deemed their common interest, acid in which the
Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth in his place, because very existence of their commercial men was involved. Were
he wished to convey to him the pleasure with which lie they to suppose that the manufacturers and merchants of
had deprecated in strong terms the agitation that England were such ignorant men as that a Committee of the
might be produced on the public mind, fot the few weeks that House of Commons would give them desires which they did
were to elapse before the public were informed what the not possess before? Some of the statements which had been
Government proposed should oe the amount uf duty to be made on the subject might be exaggerated, out were they to
charged upon the importation of corn. His Noble Friend suppose that the merchants and manufacturers of England
said he intended to propose a moderate fixed duty. Now every were not able to judge of the accuracy or the reverse of those
one could in his own mind come within a few shillings of what statements? To suppose so would be most absurd. There
that duty was to be. Now, if the Right Hon. Baronet had sn had been a petition presented to the House on the subject by
strong a sense of the evils resulting from the uncertainty of a the Hon. Member for the City of London the other night, on
few shillings, he (Lord Howick) claimed his vote for the Go- which occasion that Hon. Gentleman referred to the respect-
vernment on account of the evils and uncertainty of the ability of the names attached to it. He (Mr. Labouchere), as
present Corn-law. Under that law the uncertainty was the petition was a short one, would, if the House would permit
not confined to a few shillings—it was, whether there him, read its contents. The Right Honourable Gentle-
would at any given future period be a nominal duty of lt., man here proceeded to read the petition, the substance of
or such a duty as would act as an entire prohibition ; neither which was that the Corn-laws, without 'producing any benefit
was it for two or three weeks, but for ever, at least, so long to the country at large, laid on very heavy taxes. When, con-
as the law remained in force., and by its means every into- tinued the Right Hon. Gentleman, they looked at the s gns-
rest in the country was deeply affected and exposed to that tures attached to the petition, they would perceive how great
uncertainty, the .mischievous consequences of which the Right and influential were the persons who were interested in the
Hon. Baronet had so well described. At the distance or a subje it. Never, since the petition that was presented to the
few months, nay, even of a few weeks, who could say whe- House of Commons by Lord Ashburton, was there one which
ther the duty on corn would he prohibitory, or merely, no- had come to that House with the signatures of so many intern-
millet ?—( Cheers.) The admission, made by the Right Hon. gent and respectable persons ; and as a proof that no party feel-
Baronet enabled them to calculate with almost certainty ing operated with the persons interested in the subject, the first
upon his support. ( Laughter.) He (Lori Howick) name attached to the petition was that of a gentleman of poli-
entirely concurred in what had fallen from the Hon. Member tics very different from gentlemen on that side of the House—
who had last addressed the House—they must not confine Mr. Horsley Palmer. He believed there never was a time when
themselves to the question of the Corn-laws, that would be the merchants and manufacturers of this country were so much
imprudent, if not dangerous ; but he understood from what had united in the belief of the necessity of taking some steps to remedy
fallen from his friends in the Government, that they made the the subject of complaint as at the present. A deputation from
Corn-laws only a part of an extended revision of the whole Lanca hire, composed of individuals of all political parties, had
protective system. , If he understood what fell from the Chan. waitea on him ( Mr. Labouchere), and never did he witness
cellor of the Exchequer, that was precisely the policy to be such intensity of feeling, and such unanimity as those gentle-
pursued by the Government, and if it was steadily men exhibited. He hoped that Hon. Gentlemen in making
followed out, he was fully of opinion that they up their minds upon this question, would not leave out of
would not find it impossible to succeed.—(Hear, hear.) their consideration the points adverted to by the Chancellor of
He was the more convinced of this from the remarkable si- the Exchequer. The United States and the Brazils imported
lence on the other side upon the subject. It was natural the the greatest quantity of the produce of this country of all
Right Hon. Baroret should refuse to pledge himself on the other nations. With regard to America, their Congress would
sugar duties, but this was not a question of one or two duties, proceed to consider, on the 31st of May, a similar deficiency in
it was one of general revision of obnoxious duties.—( Hear.) their revenue, as had been brought before their consi-
They must be aware that if not broughtforward by the (3overn. deration to-night by his Right Hon. Friend. They would, no
merit it must have come under the consideration of the House. doubt. make some effort, by laying duties on the import of foreign
He could not believe but Gentlemen opposite had given their manufactures, to remedy that deficiency, and he believed that
attention to the question of increasing existing burdens, or of the conduct of the Legislature in this country on tuis subject
imposing new ones, and if so it was their duty to have stated would very much influence the course likely to be adopted by
which plan ought to be adopted, and if they did object to the the American Congress. He was assured if they adopted a
policy of his Right Hon. Friend, they ought to have stated it to- liberal policy it would be better for all parties. An excessive
night.--( Hear, hear, hear.) He trusted the public opinion protection merely supported monopoly, and was productive
would be too much opposed to the increase of fresh duties of many grievances to the censutner. When the subject came
to oppose the proposition of the Government. Having hal under discussion he would show that the abolition of an ex-
the misfortune to differ from the Government on other occa- cessive protecting duty would benefit our own colonies. So
sions, it afforded him the greatest pleasure to be able to state convinced was he of the good that would result from carrying
that to their financial policy, as developed that evening, he those measures that he would rejoice to see Hon. bee-
gave his fullest support.—( Hear, hear.) It was a fixed prin. tleman on the opposite side of the House come over and take
ciple with him that they ought not to impose fresh burdens on their seat on the Treasury benches, if they passed those meg,
the people at present. The valuable information supplied sures.
by the researches of his Hon. Friend beside him (Mr. Hume) Mr. H. HINDE said whenever the Government brought
had, he thought, demon.trated the fact that the commercial forward any motions for the reduction of taxation, whatever
policy of this country might be revised with great advantage, their motives might be, they were generally close upon the
'I he fact was, that measures must he taken to improve the pro- hee aof some signal defeat.—( Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord
ductive powers of this country—(Cheers)—and that could seemed to think the present a most appropriate time for bring-
only be done by a general system of availing ourselves of ing forward a motion for the reduction of the duty on colonial
all the natural advantages We possessed, and alio of timber, but he thought there could not be a more appropriate
those of the advantages of our neighbours. That was the period, considering the peculiar circumstances in which that
policy we must adopt if we would obviate the most wimps country was placed with regard to Centitle. He doubted very
evils. In every part of the world, in America, Fratice, Spain, much whether the manufacturers of Great Britain would agree !'Court,
oCrlot k..
and Germany, it was our example, and not our reasonin, that with the Noble Lord upon the propriety of giving up all pro.
Ai
to Peter
was looked t...—( Hear, bear.) In negotiations with-Spain leeiloii. Alexander, A.
how often did we represent to her that her revenue had fallen Mr. HERRiES agreed With the Hon. Members who had „toed. Viscount
off, and that a modification of her duties would be adt'atitages Preceded him it tti the propriety cif hot distuasing the subjects Aorrobus, Edwird
ous to herself and us, but when we ourselves were in a pre- introdticed to their notice by aebiu,tdlailtio, tarnuenr.ll
cisely similar situation, and additional sums were required for at the present moment, as they Orotild cortie Under their obser- Ashley,As Lora
the service of the country, and it was pointed out that they vation in the shape of resolutions. He liaped the House would Attwood. W.
the Chandelier of the Exchequer
might be raised by a modification of our taxes, if instead of not so far forgot its duty to the country as to allot,/ is Minister AttwooknM.....
taking this course we imposed additional burdens upon a cif the Crentn to state that at the expiration of five weeks lie , rilasflotei:Le.pY
people already too much depressed by taxation, we might ettuld make an alteration ill the duty on corn, and that until
be assured that our attempts at negotiation would be treated as the ekpirfatltin Of that time the House was not to know what Mille, Colonel H.
mere attempts to delude and deceive.—( Hear, hear.) He the nature or amount of that reduction was to be. —( Hear, : Baillie, H J.
would conclude by expressing his most earnest hope that the hear.) He denied that the Right Honourable the Chan- a, ,
trr, d
subject would be dealt with without reference to party irate- eP•Ilor of the Exchequer had made any adequate itoonw"'w.
rents and animosities, but that all interests, manufacturing provision for the deficiency of the revenue of the country for ' tiering, W. B.
_.Edcwairi.
and commercial, would consider what was required fur the the present. *ear: There was a deficiency of 1,400,000/., and Baniebe, J.
common benefit of themselves and their country.—(Cheers.) the sums which be c!..'liiU
!ed Olean wets only 1,700,0000, . 21.1=11;rI
Mr. MARK PHILLIPS said he thought the speech of the leaving 700,0004 totally unproVideit foil, - fic hoped it was , Bell, Matthew
Noble Lord ( Lord Howick) was calculated to produce a eat OA intended to supply that deticiency by the nogoiristitutional ' Bentinck, Lord G.
and good impression in the country as to the ineasnres pro- course df the SUMO Bank securities.}— Hear, hear. ) Ilk f.i.rttifn, ne,
1.
Q ilAntirtict'dirs de-
posed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer —( Hear, hear.) helped the Right Hdn. Gentlernan woukl give the House some ' rortuwojoo S.
tiolehimH,onaonudrasbeleemaeldemtboerthfoinrkFitnhsabturyth had Made en appeal infOrtiatiiln ott thet Paint; It. neVer wee intended that the : Blair, James
ember that (.here was no iunciett cietA Slieuld te extended in Order to meet expenses not Blakemore, It. _ .
sired to maintain a system of
protection. He begged to sanctioned by Parliament. l-le wished the Right Han: Gan- ' Mennerhasset,t, A
assure the Hon. a 1: .- ; e • ' intended
MlUd'. ',:i his constittlS;ls, and if the Hon. Member had been in the deficiency of 400,0001. for the expedition to Chin, end aisd lioffiet, Berta!, -
his ^'- -the Savings Bunke . needessaw, James
room ne would have known it, for he (Mr. M. Ph
Oliali desire in the tleman would inform him in what way he to supply mold,
t',
6`.
Mips) had whether it was intended to have recourse to ,
F.
ran,tion,
T. W.
that evening preSented a petition from the- Chant• to meet any portion of the existing deficiency.
bet dr Carimerde at Manchester, wherein they repudiated the The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said • ithad . epadwood, rxenry
coarse of the discussion that the Budgethad ' it''' ,k, ;sir A. B.
idea that they sought any protective duties for the manulae- been stated in theitro, , -
in it, and that in fact was no Budget at all. 1 orownrigg, .s. S.
tures in which they were personally interested.—(Hear, hear, ) very few figures
of figures Was not necessary Bruce, Lord E
He entered therefore into the ctintideratiOtt of the questioa with He contended that a great number .
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Br cc C. L. C.
fair hands. He could not help congratulating the House ah 4 to be placed before the House. If the object was to bring be- -
' timatney, Ho,
od Pr fc I measures, a very few figures would suffice
the country that the question of the Corn-laws was about to fine it go
1 aee ' 'With regard to the deficiency, he begged to , Ructe,'',. W.
emanate from its tight place—namely, from her Majesty's Goo for that ptirptis .
domitted to state that he intended to meet it by Buller, Sir J. Y.
vernment—(ChaerS)—faiir he did not liesiteti to say thee say that he ha
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13urr, Higford
that was apower which ought
the tithe tvia eiline *Heti that qiieStioit stilt O 0 longsi' Eicheotter Bi Is. thoughtHeiin
h long • Burrell, Sir C. M.
t (Hear, ear)—but so as Brien, Cv,roo.n.fej.l
1...
bti 'postponed if this country was to , maintain her pr, riot to be ter 4 rum ißurroughes H.
he woulda not shrink from its exercise in cases calcratt, J.'ll.
sition with reference to othet countries. (Hear, heart h- p;Anil, Sir H. P. !
and cheers.) He had floret knostrt so Much depress
then st,trd the grounds upon which he calculates( .
i Can sir s.
Lord
sion as existed #t present arninig ouf Manuiticturgrs. it Gentleman .
exitto require that he should resort to it. The Hon. Cam
tenttlope, :_ . •
in the revenue from the reduction of duties
had intaw attaided this poidi, that having remained for three
vhieolissseesesme
tip n an inticuttet,seis
state
It was nearly inaudible in the Geller O, tii viscount
Gallery. &a,rttirtetrensigit,, ev L
yeari it's anxious exi:eetatido of some el-fringe for the betteri On sugar, h
n increase of at least 700,0001. Chodnorideley, H.
they,Weib Serail* the debpest arid midst bitter digapHitittrier(t; The tesnit was an
riSTONE said the Hon. Gentleman had answered ohristopher, it' A.
and a gentlkhall of C'et.4ewititlia Oiiiiiloili hat'e'd tai Rini hii ii« Mf. Cligtww 4, Chute, VV. L. W.
" 1.1 *ldn regatd to the impdrtations. Perhaps be Clements, ti. J.
Manchester Exchange last week, that he was_ reduced to that his questwo
mind H. a view to giving, an answer to it, if c- sir 6 ter*, eorge
position, that, although he had embarked 17,900 t. of capital would bear it in ~ _
! (lire, Hobert
in mills and machinery, if he wioliedth ialie a Shilling iipOtt the practicable, on a feture day. .
I si . Rtitee; SW 1.,
• iii, the ilitifitbi; he Sliolild hot be ibl6 to dii Pin. Mn:ITILLIERS said, as he had 1
property -long taken part in what Oats ‘, Ji s "1. see
' t eq't of the discussion that eveninw, he could so' t Oe.onf • •
Cole, Hotl. i
—t dear, hear.) • This gentleman might have dealt formett a gra. ps
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that , _
H. c.
ihT, d Words on subject. if the comoton,
somewhat in hyperbole, but he was credibly informed not refrain from say p,,,, .
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that the only reasons molly manufacturers continued veorkitig measure prOpoe w, ,
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Ise' was stich as he ceffld consistently approve, ((Amity, .
' ''ai h 'at -
thep tvt m he how l over, L. J.
their machinery, was the ntterther iif hate& efilllclied by at; lie 'bold be sicayhOppy to( give,a.2)Chore, sir C.
But for this Opiatiai 'dt the. *Mild flare closed their Mills fer h OA atf bre g fdrwrird a meastire hird.: Courtooly Philip
itill't3
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afftiZ
list
("irtirelf.e#: Thk: isthreiple has
crestw'e.ll; crestwell
ever. With reference to our foreign trade it appeared to him Scf, to support that of the r
f-. fitry Cr,toire, S? 1. O.
that the finances o the toe
that for several years it had bets eettiosg worse .nrl-,,,lirse. yr e t'-ow been recognised .
.Sr" e, 1
he condition of the consumer. , A.
) oy n le sit
had been foreeu by ine 'eAernaliiiery and PoPulation,th in- must dk•pend upon
; 1 t
eh n the price of food was high j.Daattuter,PFlon, G.
crease our ivroductSt OW iii what Manner were we conipelled to It Was a fixed grind that
end ''seben the price of food was i t'arhy, George
dispose of them? We were obliged to allow longer credit, Ond the reventie was defietent!....-mo.,
How could it be otherwise? Harlingion, &all of
that to some of the most despotic and . tevellititinaty ldw the revetitte Was itottfl'n De HorteylieS...l-1,;,i.
tie;encial on the power of the con-
Governments.—( Hear, liege.) .At the PrbSent time they
;The 'tan':
Eif
4-He
feientte
at i-dos etticles taxed; and it is not a goltstillt le'eneeniious
were obliged to give ttitAte Ifionths credit in Russia in order , sumers to purchase the o '
taxed, but the community at large. (toughs, sir C.
to dispose uf the produce of Lancashire, This was not a safe particular class that is tax
low, the, suture the people Douro. Marquis of
system of policy, and it evidently could not be continued any The mere, therefore, prices were
be able to purchase, aud Dovoleswell, W.
would they
longer.—( Hear, hear.) With reference to the Chaticellor of I were prosperous, the more
. the Exchequer, he could only say that he had his (Mr. M. , the greater would be the revenue. Another irrefragible prin- 1 ruttield, 'l'. D.
1 was a tax on the public at sitesdale, W. S.
Phillips') most cordial concurrence, and that he hailed the idea ; ciple was, that protection to a c class
laitl down by the Chan- . Duis.•ar, George
of his coming forward in the manner he had done, and ' large. He agreed with the principles
the Right Hon. Gen- . Duncombe, W.
instead of imposing fresh burdens, to try whether an alteration cellor of the Exchequer, and h hoped_ffect those doctrines which D ncombe, A. .
could not be made in our financial regulations, and thus relieve tleman would more Ally carry into e . Dungannon, Lord
Du rie, George
the induitry of the country. Looking at the instances in 'he had developed that night. East, .1. Buller
al PAIAN,
which this policy had been carried out, he saw that After a few words from Mr. C A ' Fattnor, Viscount
were - •
lief that the manufacturers . Eaton, R- ,
it was eminently suc.cessfel, and that which had been , Mr. POSEY expressed abe
condition of affairs ; tatoo,n11:.•!,
..,.
practically successful, could not be considered as chimerical.— 'not generally dissatisfied with the present
I thepresent diffi- rweeiettio.n, VV P.
(Cheers. ) His impression was that the revenue that would and that, if the House had'pat.ence,
Lfterton Lord F.
result from the alteration of posit sugar &ties had been under- culties of the country would soon disapP
efrom the Hon. Gentle, Eliot. 1-Lai
stated --Hear, hear. ) 'The pon of our foreign trade was Mr. Alderman MOMPSoN (uttered ,
in the p inciplest, Ellis, J. ,
-e Estcourt, T. G. B.
us most anomalous OW, *ln 1833 not less than thirty-three or --man, the Member for Wolverhartiptop,
not tank that the con-
Farnham, E. B.
thirty-five vessels were engaged in the trade from Liverpool to had so candidly laid down. He did
the _
of
Fig . . ,
,tun li.olicrt
tanto by cheapness i i ,
Bragj!, ;pd out of that ;amber, such was the state of our fiscal i guiders were always beuefittcd - P70

Abercromby, G it.
Acheson, Viscount .
Atlam, Sir Charles
Agliouhy, H. A.
klston, Rowland
Andover, Viscount
Anson, Hon. Colonel
Anson, Sir George
Archbold, Robert
Armstrong, Andrew
Baines, E.
Bannerman, A.
Baring, 'l'.
Barnard, E. G.
Barry, U. S.
Beansish, F. B.
Bellew, it. M.
Berkeley, F. H.
Berkeley, Grantley
li wes, I'.
Blackett, C.
Blake, M. J.
Blake, W. J.
Blake, Mark
Blewirt, Reginald
• Atkin, Joon James
Bowes, J.
Brabazon, Lord
Bridgman, Hewitt
Briscoe, J. I.
Bro.:Melt urst„L
Brodie, W. D.
Brotherton, J.
Browne' R. D.
Bryan, George
Buller, C.
Buller, E.
Bulwer, Sir E. L.
Busfeild, William
Butler, Colonel
Byng, George
Callaghan, D.
Campbell, W. F.
arew, Hon. R. S.
Caveialish, Hon. C.
Cayley, E. S.
Chalmers, P.
Clietwynd, Major
Childers, J. W.
Clay, W.
Clayt it, Sir W.
Clements, Lord
live, E. B.
Collier, John
Collins, William
Colquhouo, Sir James
Corbally, M. R.
owper, Hon. W. F.
Craig, W ti
Crawford, W.
Crompton, Sir S.
Currie, liAikes
Dalmeny, Lord
Dashwood, 0. H.
Denison, W J.
Dennistoun, J,
D'Eyncourt, C. T.
Dive tt, E.;
Duff; James
Duncan, Viscount
Duncombe, *l'. S.
Dundas, W. D.
Dundas, Frederick
Dundas, J. C.
Dundas, Sir IL
Dundas, David
East hope, John
Edwards, Sir J.
Elliot, Hon. J. E.
Ellice, A.
El Ice, Ht. Lion. E.
Ellice, E.
Ellis, Wyntl
Erle, William
Boston, Earl of
Evans, Sir De Lacy 11
I EVane,
_.vans,
' Ewart, W.
Fazakerley, J. N.
Ferguson, Sir Robert
Ferguson, Colonel
Fitzalan, —ord
Fitzpatrick, J. W.
Fitzroy, Lord Charles
Fitzwi Rail, G. W.
Fleetwood, H.

articles. He considered it as a wise principle for the mother
:,,untry to main for itself the trade of its co onies. He be-
lieved that the measures propounded that eyeiiitig by the bight
Hon. Gentleman, the Chancellor of he Excheiplec, had not
met with the approbatidn of the t ading el iss sto tf,e xtent
that had been supposed. He was induc:d to think so from the
nature of the petition preset': ed to the House from all the
merchants of London engaged in our foreign trade, praying
for a protection for our colony,
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the Hon. Gentleman
who had spoken last, had totally misinterpreted the petition rif
the merchan• sof London. It was true th it those met chants had
not asked for a complete arid absolute abolition of all
protection in trade; but he believed that the measures pro-
posed by the Government had the approbation of that im-
portant body. The petitioners stated that they were of opinion
that the present duties and prohibitions were highly (1,46-
mental both to the trade of the country arid the revenue.
Those duties they said had enhanced the price to the British
consumer of many articles of the first necessity, and totally ex-
cluded others of foreign growth, thus giving more than a fair
and reasonable protection to individual interests to the injury of
the trade of the United Kingdom and its dependencies, and
laying a heavy tax on the community at large without bene-
fitting the revenue.--(Hear, hear.) They further stated that,
by a limitation of the custom duties, the revenue would be in-
creased, the trade and manufactures of the United Kingdom
advanced, and the shipping interest promoted; and that
their opinions had been strengthened by the satis-
tisfactory evidence, and the statement of facts ad-
duced before the Select Committee on Import Duties.
(Cheers. ) That petition was signed by houses of the tint
eminence in London ; and he believed he would be justified in
saying, that since the petition presented by Lord Ashburton
relative to the great measures of Mr. Huskisson, such a peti-
tion as that had not been presented by any commercial body.
The Government might undoubtedly encounter the opposition
of class interests in the measures they had proposed, but he was
persuathd that the voice of the trading community in general
would be with them, and, under those circumstances, he felt
they were justified in the course they had taken. They would
feel it their duty, too, to persevere in the cause in which they
were engaged, and not to disappoint the expectations of the
country.
Mr. Alderman THOMPSON explained.
Sir JOHN RAE REID complained that the West India
interests had been most unfairly and unjustly sacrificed. He
thought the reduction of the duty on foreign sugar would
cause the total ruin of that colony. He hoped the Right
Hon. Gentleman would be induced to reconsider his propo-
sition.

After a few words from Lord SANDON and Mr. HAWES,

Mr. C. WOOD said if no protection was to be taken off,
and if it was agreed that the people could not hear any
additional burdens, the question was from what source
they were to obtain toe deficiency that at present
existed.—( Hear, hear.) He believed there was a general
feeling among cJintueicial men throughout the country that
the import duties ought to be revised, in order to effect some
improvement in trade, which was at present in a very de-
pressed state. He did not think the landlords would be tound
generally to offer so much oppo,ition to a measure for a reduc-
tion of the duty on corn whorl it was brought forward, as one of
a series of measures for taking off protective duties, as if it was
brought forward as a single and specific measure.—( Hoar. )
Until the proposed measures were tried, and he did not believe
they would fail, no single tax could tic laid on the people.
Lord J. RUSSELL said in the course of next week he
should endeavour to state to the House the exact nature of the
reduction be intended to propose in the Corn-laws.
Dlr. THORNELEY said, whatever Hon. Members on the
other side might say, the great bulk of the merchants and ma-
nufacturers of the country were in favour of a reduction of the
duties on the necessaries of life, and he would only instance the
petitions that had emanated from 53,000 inhabitants of Liver-
pool on the subject a few days since, and at which men of all
parties and politics had attended.
The iesolution was then ag. eed to, and the House resumed ;
the Report was ordered to be received on Monday next.
The Arms (Ireland) Bill went through a Committee.
Adjoutned at Half-past One o'clock.

PARLI AMEN 'FARY JJ tV ESIONS.
(From the Pates and Proceedings of the House of Common..)
THURSDAY, APRIL 29.
PARLIAMENTARY VOTERS (IRELAND) BILL
( to the Committee )
Second Clause :—Motion made, and Question put, " Thai
the Clause, as amended, stand part of the Bill :• —The Corn.
mit' ee divided ; Ayes 239, Noes 300.
MINORITY—A YLS,

289.
Parnell, Sir H.
Pattison, J.
Pease, Joseph
Pechell, Captain
Pendarves, E. W.
Philhpps, Sir R. P.
Philips, M.
Phillips, G.
Phillpotts, J.
Pigot. D. R.
Pinney, W.
Ponsonby, C.
Ponsonby, Hon. J.
Power, Jam
Price, Sir It
Protheroe, Edward
Pryse' P.
Itamsbottom, J.
Rawdon, J. D.
Itedington, T. N.
Rice, E B.
Rich, Ilenry
Rippe.), C.
Roche, E.
Roche, W
numb(' C. E.
Rundle, J.
Russell, Lotd John
Russell, Lord Charles
Itutherfurd, A.
Salwey, Colonel
Sanford, E. A.
Scrope, G. P.
Seale, Sir J. H.
Seymour, Lord
Sharpe, General
Sheii, R. L.
S:aney, R. A.
Smith, John Abel
Smith, B.
Smith, G. R.
Smith, R. Vernon
Somers, J. P.
Somerville, Sir W.
Standish, C.
Stanley, M.
Staustield, W. R. C.
Staunton, Sir G. I'.
Steuart, R.
Stewart, James
Stock, Dr.
Strangways, J. G.
Strickland, -Sir G.
Strutt, Edward
Stuart, Lord James
Stuart, Villiers
Style, Sir Charles
Surrey, Earl of
Talbot, C. lt.
Talbot, J. H.
Talfuird, I'. Noon
Ta v 'stock, Marquis
Tnorneiy, Thomas
Troubridge Sir T.
Turner, Edmund
Verney, Sir H.
Villiers, Charles P.
Vivian, John H.
Vivian, Sir R.
Walker, R.
Wall, C. B.
Wallace, H
Warburton, H.
Ward, H. G.
Wemys=, J. C.
Westenra, Hon. H.
Westenra, Hon. J.
White, A.
White, Colonel H.
White. Luke
White, Samuel
Wilbraham, G.
Wilde, Sir Thomas
W
Wiishere, W.
%Vinnington, Sir
Winnington, H. J.
Wood, Sir Matthew
Wood, G. W.
Wood, B.
Worsley, Lord
Wrightson, W. B.
Wyse, Thomas
Yates, J. A.

Fort, Joiin
Fortescue, T.
trench, F.
Gillon, W D.
Gisborne, I'.
Gordon, Robert
Grattan, J.
Grattan, Henry
Greenaway, Charles
Greg, It. H,
Greig, D.
Grey, Sir C.
Grey Sir G.
Grosvenor, Lordll.
Grote, G.
Guest, J.
Hall, Sir B.
Hawley, H.
Harland, W. C.
Hastie, A.
Hawes, B.
Hawkins, J. H.
Hayter, \V. G.
Heathcoat, J.
-Hector, C. J.
Heneage, E.
Heron, Sir H.
Hill, Lord A. M. C.
}Braley, C arles
Hobhouse, Sir J. C.
Hobhouse, T. B.
Hodges, T. L.
Holland, R..bert
Herman, Edward
Hoskins, K.
Howard, B. G.
Howard, k'. J.
Howard, P. H.
Howard, Sir It.
Howard, C. W. G.
Hume, J.
Humphery, J.
Hutchins, E. J.
Hutt, W.
Hutton, H.
James, ', illiam
Jervis, J.
Johnson, General
Labouchere, A.
Lainbton, H.
Langdale, Hon. C.
Leader, J. I'.
Lemon, Sir C.
Lennox, Lord G.
Lister, H C.
Listowel, Earl of
Loch, James 1
Lusiiington, C.
Lushington, Hon. S.
Lynch, A. H.
Macauley, 'l'. B.
Mainiatnar a' W.
M`Taggart,J.
Marsnall, W.
Marsland, II
Martin, J.
Martin, Thomas B.
Maine, Hon . ox
melgu ,d, Lord
Mild ..ay, P. St. John
Milton, Lord
Molesworth, Sit W
Moreton, A. IL
Morpeth, Viscount
Morris, David
Morrison, James
Muntz, U. F.
Murray, A.
Muskett, George A.
Nagle, •ir It
Noel, C. G
Notreys, Sir D. J.
O'Brien, Cornelius
O'Brien W. Smith
O'Callaghan, 1).
O'Conne I, D.
O'Connell, J.
O'Connell, M. J.
O'Connell, M
O'Ferr.:ll, lt. M.
Ord. W.
Oswald, .I,mo
Paget, i .014 A.
1 Paget, F.
Palmer, C. F.
i Palmer.ton, Visct.
Parker, John

TELLERS.
Stanley. E. J.
''dell, H.

,JORITY—NOES,
Fector, J. 51

300.
Meynell, H.
Miles, P. S.
Miller, W. h.
lanes, Richard
Mordaunt, Si. 1.
Morgan, C. M.
Morgan, Octavius
Neeld, oseph
Neeid, John
Nicholl, J.
Norreys, Lord
Northland, Lord
Ossulston, Loid
Owen, Sir Joni
Packe, C. W.
Pakington, J. S.
Pal er, Robert
Palmer, George
Parker, Montague
Parker, It. 'l'.
Parker, T. A. W.
Patten, Wilson
Peel, Hon. Sir R.
Perceval, Colonel
?Igor, FL
Planta, J.
Plumptre, J. P.
Polhill, Frederick
Pollen, Sir J. W.
Pollock, Sir F.
Powell, Colonel
Powencourt, Lord
Praed, W. 'l'
Price. Richard
Pringle, A.
Posey, P.
nee, sir William
Reid, Sir John R.
Richards, R.
Itickford, W.
Rolleston,
Rose, Sir George
Round, C. G.
Round, John
Rushorook, Colonel
Rushout, George
Paul, Horace
SancOli.n, It
Bandon, Lord
t.e,:71?.k
Scarli,tl..l Y.
Sheppard,
So.. e),
Sinthorp, Colonel
Sinclair, Sir George
Smith, Abel
Smyth, Sir H.
Smythe, Ho G.
Somer.et, Lord
Motheron, T. E.
Spry Sir S. T.
Stanley, E.
Stanley, Lord
S ewart, John
Sturt, H. C.
sLii:sien, Sir Edward
Teigurrouth, Lord
'resilient, J. It.
Thsi>.igtr, F.
Thomas, Coloaol
hoinpson, Aid.
Thornhill, George
Tollernache, F. a
Tomline, George
Trench, Sir
Trevor, Hon. It.
Trotter' J.
Tyrell, Sir J T.
Vere, Sir C B.
Verner, Colonel
Villiers, Lord
Vivian, J. E.
Waddington, H. S.
Walsh, Sir John
Walter, John
Welby, G. E.
Whitmore, T.
Wilbraham, Hon. B.
Williams, Robert
Wilmot, Sir E.
Wodehouse, Hon. E.
Wood, C.
Wood, Colonel
Woou, Colonel T.
Wyndham, N .
Yorke, Hon. E. T.
Young, John
Young, Sir L. W. •
TELLERS.
Baring, H. B.
lqeulantle, hix T.

edden, W.

Fellowes, Edward
Fie'den, J.

Filnter:Sir Edward
Fitzroy, Ho, H.
Fleming, J.
Foley, E. T.
kollett, Sir William
Forester, Hon. G.
Fox, S L.
Fresnneld, J. W.

Gaskell, James Manes
Gladstone, J. N.
Gladstone, W. E.
Olynne, sir S. It.
Godson. R.
Gordon, Hon. W.
Gore, 0. J.
Gore, 0. W.
Goring, H. D.
Goniburn, Henry
Or. ham, Sir James
Granby, Marquis of
Grant, Sir A. C.
Greene, T.
Grimsditch, Thomas
Oriniston, Lord
Hale, R. Blagdon
Halford, H.
Hamilton, C. J. B.
Hamilton, Lord C.
itarcourt, G. G.

Harcourt, G. S.
Hardinge, Sir H.
Hawkes, r.
Hayes, Sir E.
Heatbcote, Sir W.
Heneagc, G W.
Henniker, Lord
Hepburn, Sir I'. B.
;:.!rtrert, Hon. S.
sierr:s, John C.
Hill, sir :sowland
Hillsborough, Earl
filmic, J. H
Hodgson, Frederick
Hodgson, Illelmrd
Hogg, J. W.
Hahne-, W. A'Court
Holmes, W.

..ope, hon. C.
Hope, H. T.
Hope, G. W.
Hi.thain, Lord

nous tOO% George
1,1, I

Hughes.

lita, Francis

Ingestrie, Lord
nobert
a...
Inglis, Sir It. H.
Afton, S.
ping, John
SirWitfeYnOleant
Jarrith r,4
Jerniyn, Lift'
Johnstone, Hope
Jones, John
Jones, Theobald
Kelburne, Lord
Kimble, Henry
Kerrison, Sir E.
Kifk, Vex,*
Knatcnbuli, Sir 1!..
Knight, H. G.
Ktughtley, Sir C.
Laser !el, W. S.
Law, Hon. C. E.
Lefioy, I) T.
Lennox, Lord A.
Lincoln, Earl of
Litton, Et-ward
Lockhart, A. M.
Long, W.
Lowth: r, I nlonel
Lowther, Viscount
Lowther, J.
Lu as, E.
Lygon, Hon. Gen.
Mackenzie, T.
Mackenzie, W. F.
Mackinnon W. A.
Maclean, 13
Mamie's, L,ird C.
Mars and, T.
Marton, George
Master, Colonel
Alath,w, G. B.
gimasell, T. P.