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meant to do with the unions that were not yet.in-
ided in the Bill for the Continuance of the Poor-law
ornmission?
Sir R. PEEL said he had explained his intentions but
:1. short time since. He thought it would be prudent to
. _include such unions in the general Act when it would be
Nought foeward. It would be competent for the Hon.
should be excludeber to proposed
if he thought in the Commit Cie unione that some fit.
Sur
TRISH CHANCELLORSHIP.
of
irrbrig
io: LIPOMAS WYLDE • said he was desirous
ding before the House the propriety of his Right
in''ee gable Friend, the Chancellor of lialend, continu-
sit in that House after accenting the office
` atancellor. The principle of the constitution
shy , that whoever should accept such an office
irdd go back to his constituents before he could sit
tit , that Heuse. It was rendered necessary by statute
he should do so. But it was said that some
:remony, requisite upon the announcement of
g :tat appointment, had not been gone through,
=`. and that therefore his Right lion. Friend had not been
guilty of any violation of the statute. But he would say
that a more dangerous and decided invasion of the prin-
ciple of that Act of Paeliament had never been made. His
. Right Hon. Friend had beens by the authority of the
Crown, appointed to the high office of Chancellor of Ire-
land. He accepteel that appointment, and having done
so, he (Sir 'l'. W.) begged to know whether the influence
. arising from thet office, whatever it might be, did not ells-
, entitle him from sitting in that House, or what part
of that Mr.uence was withheld, the absence of which
'entitled him to do ao ? What practice could be
more. etangerous than that a person so situated may be
able . to. vote on questions of supply, and every
3t1-..al"- question affecting the property and liberty of
e subjeet? . He, therefore, begged to say be would
'only bring the subject under the consideration
flip House, adding et the same time that he meant
')thiee,* personal -to his, Right Hon. Friend, for nu
an could entertain a; higher regard for him than he
T. Wilde) did,. but he had a higher regard
1,0 r the liberty of the people and the character of the
4i. ouse, which he thought the conduct of the Right Ho-
n' nu-able. Gentleman was calculated to injure. He
ntlei. :istel his occupying his- 'seat was an invasion
lne
a , Act of Parliament, and he would feel it his duty to
the matter before the consideration of the House.
, E. SUGDEN said that as be was not present at
early part of the observations of the Honourable
r.d Learned Gentleman, he could not make any
' 11"Ple to them ; but he understood the Honourable,
ac ' Tiber to say that be (Sir Edward Sugden) was
unconstitutionally in retaining his seat in that
Tii "Ise, having accepted the office of Lord Chancellor of
-'land. He woulei beg to say he did so. because
he conceived that he did not legally fill that office
th °ugh he consented- to do so. He considered it
s duty to his constituents not to abandon the trust
avc ey reposed in him, until he had lost it in law. He
,old also say tbat he bad not voted on any question
sic ce he accepted that office. He would say, and the
Ile ,use would believe him, that he had no intention of
act ing uncorestitutionally, and he was never so surprised
as when, without the least notice—(Cheers from the
isterial benehes)—he heard the speech of the Hon.
nd Learr Gentleman. And when he was pleased to
s ay, in hisspeech, that he entertained kindly feelings to-
ss 'ards bnn (Sir E. Sugden) he could only say that
by his_ nets he did not show it.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
Ile 'eelieved he was standing on his right as Mem-
ber for Ripon, by maintaining his place in that
4otise. He did not wish to carry the principle to any-
in convenient extent, and if it were the opinion ofto
e House that he was stretching the constitutional. I
pi inciple, he would at once withdraw—(Hear, hear)-
i it he did nc t consider he had lost his rights as a Mc An-
-134 •r of Parlias.nent until he actually filled the office w'flish•
In had accepted. At that moment he was not legally Lord
C. hancellor of Ireland. Lord Campbell still, legally speak....
in gs held -that office. It was not an acceptssee
of. ice, tv ithin the meaning of the Aet, ' till
th e appoif unseat had actually taken
r.)
until
It was nof an acceptance to say he we —(Hear.)
t.
e
Tire Minister might withdraw his ofife-
suld accept.
was heltl, by patent, and the deliver./ '• The office
Seal int o his hand was certainly of the Great
zessary before the
appoint, 'tent could take effect. h
at seal still remained
in the c t tstody of those to whom .3.
s de-
livered t. The patents' ere not ‘ord Campbell had
ore
. perfected, and therefore
monies the; s were so, and until
all the necessary cere
monies had been gone 'throw
gh he could not be eon-
,
sidered as Lord Chancellr
,r of Ireland. He hoped
the H( ,use would acquit
-dm of any improper feeling,
or of a ny presumption,Or . the subject ; but he considered •
that hi s constituents Ise ould have a right to accuse him
ofnq jeetin.g their it .terests, if he abstained from occu-
pying his place as. their representative, while he had a
right 13), law to do so.
Sir- THOMAS WYLDE rose to explain why he had
not I Pen netie e to his Right Hon. Friend, and in doing
so
w0u1...e. repeat . those expressions of courtesy
itieew 'aim which he had before used, although
r.l`ne' v that his Right Hon. Friend had a very
: method of tick wleding any courtesies.—(Hear,
lbee r, ' and a laugh.) He was not aware when he entered
FOI louse that it was the intention of his Honourable
ri or .d to rut a question to the Right Honourable
Vare, act opposite on the subject ; but. that question
g been put, he felt it his duty when
•he he •ard the answer, to lose no time in giving notice of
hie iu tention to bring the subject before the House ; and
he ha d consequently no opportunity of giving notice to
ight Hen. Friend. In that intention he had been
confir alExl by- the very dangerous doctrine laid down by his'
Eight I lon. Friend, and he gave notice that to-morrow
slit it tld draw the attention of the House to the subject.
Lor • J. RUSSELL thought his Hon. and Learned
i?riend iv 'as quite right, as the acceptance_of office by
the
not ix Hon. Gentleman had been published. He did
wisher as gine that the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite
was
I to retain his scat improperly ; but the question
e n. a as to the construction of an Act of Parliament,
and e
n° a a Right Hon. Gentleman's interpretation was, that
he v e could be properly said to have accepted office until
ie: ; in the full execution of the duties of that office,
awl al the necessary preliminary forms had been gone
throuf :h. In some offices, such as those of a Secretary
of Stale, this could be done at once; bat in others, such
as tb Lose of the Lords of the Admiralty, the
patent s would take a week to make out.
When . he (Lord J. R.) vans appointed Pay-master of the
Poree t, if., was three weeks before the patent was made out,
but in all, those cases it had been customary, on the accept-
aNee 0.-office, to move for a new writ. If it was right, that
custom, ought to be continued ; if the construction of the
Right -E :on. Gentleman was right, then it ought to Ire dis=
conduit. d ; at all events the practice should be uniform.
—(Hew r, hear.) A case had occurred during the
late Ad ministration, in which Mr. Horsman, having ac-
cepted the office of: a Lord of the Treasury,
Ron. G -entlemen opposite had raised a question respect-
ing his having voted in that House after he had de-
clared it' his addresses to his constituents that he
accepti:d office. No ftsrther motion or discussion
of the, 'subject took place on that occasion, but after
what had fallen frore the Right Hon. Gentleman
he thought it extremely desirable that they should come
to sc me understanding as to what was the real meaning
of ti .e Act of Parliament.

POOR-LAW.
N :r. YORKE wished to know whether there vas any
diffi Nulty in introducing into the proposed Poor--4n.w Bill
a •cli :use taking from the Commissioners the pc)
-.ver order-
ing• the indiscriminate separation of man an , wife.
Si r R. PIEEL would consider the quest ..on, and give an
anaw er to-morrow. At all events, he would adopt such
a course as should not preclude the H,m. Gentleman from
bringi.74-, the question before the II j„„.
Mr. '170.W.i.1: said that if the p',ovision could not be
introduced into the existing BR, it would be necessary,
as far -.ts he was concerned, to .in ro uLe a &Tata e
t d . • n • t Bill
on tlie !subject.
PRICE OF C('; RN IN RUSSIA. •
,11r. HARCOURT k.ad seen a Report from the
Consu2, at , St. Peterrnurg, stating that, in 1835, in
the Government of Tainboc, in Russia, 58 millions
of quarters of gratin had been produced, and that
the price of Where in St. Petersburgh at that time was
iron t 13s. 6d. to 14s. Id. a quarter. _Now, this statement
app( ared to ..him so extraordinary that he should,
havE • paid no attention to it, had it not been sub-
-3uitt...4 ' both to the Foreign-office and to
-the Board of Trade.
if itHe wished to know
were true, be if so, it must have
cause
a most e important be:Aring on the discussion of the
corn.opr.dou question ? Tb.e province was by no means a
this corn
ps,and -tiler, would be at least thirty millions of
suernAus
_.. and from that they might judge
what would "be the production of the rest of Russia,
From the fAatement it appeared that the corn could be
had at thri first hand in St. Petersburgh for 14s. a quarter,
the chat:go of putting it on board ship would be 3s. 2d.
A par',,er, the freight of ss. a quarter, so that it could
..be 4,....0ught into the Thames fur 225. 2d. a quarter.
8s- d aty would enerefore be no protection, as with that
:the t.rice would be only 30s. a quarter. Now he wished,
4!4 a-„County Member, to enter into a dispassionate con-
' Cderation of the Corn-laws, with a view of seeing what
iTnodificatiou could be made in them without. injury.
13ut this statement as to the corn produce •of
Russia 'certainly required explanation.—(Hear,
hear
They 'mid arrived ,at these results by erroneous cai)
-
eu•
larlons ; and he, therefore, wished to ask his
0)Jle Priend whether any information received in the
ee•arse of the last year confirmed those state-
anents ? If these were true, then it was impor-
tent tthat the agriculturists should know what they
had to contend with in the event of the
..,▪ r;,(10 be_,
mg opened ; and if the statements were incor-
teet, it Was equally desirable to allay the ungrounded
alarm which they were calculated to excite.
f° Lord PALMERSTON said that there was no ground
-
1' the alarm of his sHonourable Friend, for the
et4rns from which he had just read were
."idew;ly erroneous. ' The province of Tamboc was
rl-alle-z• than Ireland or Scotland in the propor-
(4l of nineteen to twenty- two, and it was
not
'?robablo that -its productiveness was equal
(.) that which was calculated in these papers. But
there
to the actual exports of corn from all Russia,
r(le A'as no reason for alarm. Even in the years of alleged
.bduetiveness, 1835 and 1836, the export of wheat
4Thi) St. Potersburgh was none..—(Hear, and a ktigh.)
4 Mr. • HARCOURT said that he had fcit no alarm
-whatever •t d h I d l- t, •dd that the document
~,,,._
~ t e ia on y ) a . - ' 'rum %shah he had quoted was officl,ll.
M
WS, AND MEANS. .
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.t.t, r- TSTILLIA NISI said; that seeing the-Chancellor of
he Exelequer then in his place, he would put to him the
4,questiou he had before put to the Right Hon. Baronet
;.._,l3Bir G. Clerk), namely, when it was his intention to
ring forward the question of Ways and Means ?
iz-1. The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
:othattrit was his intention to bring forward the question
a. 4 Monday next, if possible, but tint sooner.
SYRIAN TARIFF.
.1):1-._ BOWRING said that bef(we he out the ouestion to
her AlujesLX.s. Go), kanaleut, ef.whi;:l;h(f had rived notice,
on the subject of the great increase of duties on export
. thand import said to be l • •
at levied in Syria since
province was restored to Turkish authority,