The Sun.
London, England, 1841-07-08 00:00:00

MORNING SUN

timber 50s. They proposed to raise the duty upon the cheap. a
timber, upon that used by the poor to 4205. and reduce the duty
upon the Baltic, which was used by the rich to 30s.—
(Laughter.) It was all for revenue, nothing but revenue. He
would admit that the lowering of duties on articles of common
consumption and the raw material, would increase consumption
and benefit the people, but the immediate effkct would not be
beneficial to the revenue. They would destroy the
shipping interest—they would destroy the Canadas, and
they must grant compensation.—(Loud laughter.) Then
he would come to the Corn-laws. For a long time
he had been of opinion that when the proper opportunity
strived, a considerable reduction should be made in the scale of
duties which regulated the importation of corn.—(" How long
have you thought so? you never said so before.") These
defies at first were much lower, and were raised in order ti?_,
conceiliate the landed interest, but it was to be remembered
that during the ten years they had been in force this country
had increased in population and prosperity.—(Laughter.) His
Hon. Colleague had a great horror of monopolies, but there
was one to which he had not alluded—the monopoly of power.
The question was, who were the men who were to administer
the affairs of this great nation.—(Hear, hear.) That
was the question which had caused their assembling
en that occasion. He had always opposed the present Govern-
ment, which his most worthy colleague had assteadily supported.
But he believed the present measures of the Government
would have a tendency to drag the Hon. Gentleman far beyond
that line which his own good sense would point out to be the
halting place. He believed there were men in the coun-
try who if they were called to the councils of the Sovereign
would show at least equal ability and equal integrity as her
present advisers ; men attached to the ancient ancient insti-
tutions of the country.—(Cries of " Oh" and laughter.) Were
they (the electors) not attached to those institutions, trained by
their ancestors, and under which civil and religious Ih'ierty—
(" And the debt;" laughter)—had been carried to a
_pitch
unequalled to any other part of the world ? Under
them all the wishes and wants of the people
of this great country might be complied with, under
them th.y might have just laws and economical Government.
As he had before said those snen would give just laws, eco-
nomical Government, and commercial freedom—commercial i
freedom by which those cultivated fields and beauteous plains
which had been raised to the highest pitch of cultivation would
be continued in that happy state. When our population were
shortly supplied by those fields, then we might look to foreign
countries for our bread. If there were men who could ac-
complish all these things he would continue that independent
eourse--(Loud laughter)—which a Member for the g reat
county of Middlesex ought to pursue. He thanked
them for the confidence they had again reposed in
him, and which he assured them, on the word of an ho rour-
able man, he would never abuse. He should now retvirn to
renew those arduous duties which he had scarcely left, se eking
no other reward than the conscientious discharge of his duty,
and he was sure that would secure their approbation.
Mr. WHITBR.EAD saidEthey had begun in good humour, and
he hoped they would finish in the same way. He was about to
propose a vote of thanks to the Sheriffs—(Cheers)—an'. he
would beg to claim their indulgence for a few minutes, as he
did not wish his old friends in Middlesex to suppose that
his character was changed, and that he was going to run
away without answering the attack that had been
made on him.—(Loud cheers.) He never would be the man
to strike the first blow, but when it was struck he hoped he
had too much English spirit not to return it.—( Loud cheer-
ing.) He could not help drawing I contrast between the con-
duct of the Whigs and the Tories on the present occasion—
Sir Joule GIBBON attempted to address the meeting, but
the uproar was so great that he was obliged to give way, and
Mr. WHITBREAD resumed. Both himself and Mr. Tiefnell
had confined themselves to recommending the candidate of their
choice, while Sir J. Gibbon, Colonel Newdigate, and Mr.
Wood had attacked all three. —( Cries of " No, no," " Yes,"
and great uproar.) It had been said that Mr. Byng was there
by teleration, but he would say that Mr. Byng was thea• re-
presentative as the free and independent choice of the body
of electors of Middlesex.—( Loud and continued cheering.)
One word about Mr. Tuffnell. He was charged with ca=sing
there as agent of the Government, but was it because Mr.
Tuffnell was a man of talent, and was asked to take a. portion
of the eesponsibility of the Government that he was to be told
that he was less independent than any gentleman on that plat-
feral ?—(Renewed cheering.) He would tell the electars that
Mr. Tufnell's father, years ago, proposed Mr. Byng for that
county, and that on various occasions, Mr. Tufnell himse If had
seconded his nomination, and so long as Mr. Byng con tented
to be put in nomination. and so long as he (Mr. W.) had
health and strength to support him, he hoped that Mr. Tuf-
nell, whether in or out of office, would show himself
a sincere friend of the cause.—( Loud cheers.) Mr.
Word's attack upon himself he would dismiss in
a word. He (Mr. Wood) had taken the trouble to ask 'him,
confidentially, what he had done in the French Revolution, and
his ( Mr. Whitbread's) answer was " Nothing ; I was not then
born."—( Great laughter and cheering.) '1 hey were all liable
to mis•akes, and he forgave Mr. Wood, because, in the first
place, Mr. Wood had made the mistake, that lie was then a
candidate for Middlesex, and Colonel Newdigate and Sir J ohn
Gibbon had also made mistakes, because he (Mr. Whitbread)
felt that their speeches were never intended for the hustings,
but for their own private party, somewhere in the neighbourhood
of Staines, that evening.—(Laughter and cheers.) He b egged
to propose the cordial thanks of the meeting to the two g entle-
men who had presided with so much kindness and impartiality
that day.—( Cheers. )
Sir Jotter GIBBON seconded the motion, and was pro-
ceeding to make some observations in reply to Mr. Whitbread,
but the noise and confusion was so great that he was obliged to
retire.
Col. NEWDIGATE said, as allusion hal been made to him,
he would merely observe that he would prove the soundness of
his views by the result of the next election.
Mr. Geo. BACON begged permission of the Sheriffs to say
a few words. It appeared to him that the greatest evil they
had to contend with was the parsons of the Established Church.
—(Great uproar, hooting, hissing, cheering, and roars of
laughter.)
Sir J. Grimm, with great vehemence—This is disgraceful.
Mr. BACON attempted to proceed, but the noise was so
great that he was obliged to desist.
The Streams then returned thanks, and the meeting se-
parated.

CHESHIRE (NORTH).
A poll was demanded. to take place on Thursday and Friday
next. The following is a report of Mr. E. I. Stanley's
speech :
The Hon. E. J. STANLEY came forward amid loud cheer-
ing. He said they were met sow, at a moment hardly second
in importance to that great period when they assembled to
struggle for the Reform Bill. For what purpose did they ex-
ert. themselves ? What object had they in view but that
of obtaining good and cheap government.—(Hear, hear.)
Her Majesty's Ministers had taken the only alternative they
could adopt consistently with their duty. They had appealed
to the people. Her Majesty now awaited that answer ; and
on that answer, he conscientiously believed, depended the fu-
ture prosperity of England, or the loss of its great commer-
cial and manufacturing superiority. What, then, were those
measures ? First came the alteration of the Corn-laws ; the
substitution of a fixed duty of Bs. for the present sliding scale.
Now he (Mr. E. J. Stanley) would tell them what he thought
of a sliding scale. In the first place a sliding scale must depend
upon the averages, so open to fraud by fictitious sales, which
gave nothing to the revenue ; and then again, when large
quantities of corn had been admitted, by means of fictitious
saes, closed the market again. This, then, wasa scheme sim-
ply for the advantage of the corn jobber. Another disadvan-
tage -of the sliding scale was, that it caused great variation
in the price of corn, which every farmer was well aware was
injurious to his interests, while it prevented the manufacturer
from becoming a regular dealer in corn, because he could never
be sure of dealing so as to derive a benefit from it, while on the
other hand he might be ruined by it. The consequence of this
absence of a regular trade was, that in times of scarcity the fo-
reigner would take nothing for his corn but gold, and this was
the case a few years ago, when nine millions of gold went out
of the country for corn' and the Bank of England was obliged
to restrict its issues, thus restricting trade also, and cursing
great and general distress throughout the empire. What, then,
were the merits of a fixed duty in comparison with a sliding
scale ? The advantages of a fixed duty would be to keep up
steady prices; and, by enabling the manufacturer to deal in
earn, extend our markets and our trade with countries having
turtling but corn to give us in payment for our goods, and espe-
cially with countries who said that, unless we placed our trade
with them on a more equitable basis, they would close their
markets to us. It was worth while to note the new President's
message to the United States of America on this subject, in
which he significantly observed, that he should hold the
tariffs in suspension, so as to make the best arrangements
with foreign countries that might offer, while he expressed an
intention to put a heavier tax on our manufactures, unless we
should take their corn and timber on more favourable terms.
He would now say a word to each of these parties interested
in this question, and first of all to the farmers. And here he
would ask what benefit had they derived from the present
Corn-laws ? He presumed that there was no one there who
entertained the sentiment put forth by the Standard, that
.6 England would be as great and powerful, and all useful
Englishmen as rich as they are, though one common ruin
should engulph all the manufacturing towns and districts in
Great Britain." He did not know what his friends of Man-
chester. Staleybridge, and Dukinfield would say to that; but
be would ask his friend opposite—his late eollea.gue—whowould
be the best judge of whether such a sentiment would be ap.
party. He (Mr. Stanley) hardly thought
proved of by his
his Hon. Friend would be one to approve of such a sentiment,
who, it report spoke truly, had received 40,0001. for land re-
quired for a railway passing
through h is.est estate, which sum fifty
years ago, he presumed, would have beets equal to the fee
simple of his estate. it was a fair price,
Air. TaTTON Eo ERTON—I beg to say
and agreed to after the valuation of competent surveyors.
Alr. E. J. STANLEY—That improves my case.lf%waere
more than the fair value, which I never meant_
it to ins
was i a u tu
that would make against my argument ; but iffair
price, what must manufacturers have done to this country,
when they had made the market value of a few acres of la-id
more than worth the whole fee-simple of a large estate a few
wears ago.—( Cheers. ) This was only one instance out of a
number which had struck his mind ; but be appealed to the
meeting, if manufactures had given them such advantages as
these, if it would not be to their advantage, as well as that
of the manufacturing towns, to put an end to laves which
might have a tendency to depress the manufacturing inte-
rests, and of driving our commerce to foreign lands? To the
farmer these laws could clearly be of no value, because they
induced him to take tarns at a high rate on the speculation
of high prices being ensured to Mm, while their very con-
struction of the laws was such as must render them uncer-
tain and variable. To the electors, then, of North Cheshire,
'whether engaged in commerce or agriculture, these laws
could offer no protection equivalent to the injury which they
must suffer from their continuance. Mr. Stanley went on to
speak of some local matters, and retired amidst loud cheers.

WAKEFIELD, Jut 5.
Extract from Lord Alorpeth's Speech on his nomination for
the West Riding of Yorkshire.
( Abridged from the Leeds Mercury.)
" I do not mean on this occasion to advert to the general
conduct of the Government, to the battles they have fought
and won in the cause of civil and religious freedom, or even to
the battles they have lost in the cause of more general and
unlimited education.—(Cheers.) In the department more
immediately confided to me, I have striven to do what jus-
tice I could to our fellow-countrymen in Ireland.—(Cheers.)
But, Gentlemen, I pass on at once to the topics more im-
mediately before us, nor will I even enter into any formal re-
view of those subjects which must either be admitted on all
sides, or which must have become sufficiently obvious and fa-
miliar in the reiterated discussions which have been lately held
on them. The point which all parties will b. disposed to admit.—
no matter by whose fault it came—is, that a large deficiency
&ies exist at present in the public income of the country, and
also, that be the causes what they may, considerable distress
prevails over a large portion of our land, has visited many
classes of its inhabitants, and affected many branches of labour
—(Hear, hear.) The practical question, then, for you and
the people is, what is to be done ?—( Hear, hear.) If your, the
gentlemen opposite, will have nothing to say to our doings,
what will you do yourselves?—(Cheers.) It is upon this sim-
ple question—upon this plain issue—that up to the present
moment, whether in Parliament or on the hustings, in speeches
.or in addressei, no shadow of an intimation—no creek of
light has been suffered to fa—(Hear, hear.) The great
oracle of Tamworth has indeed again spoken, but no inti-
mation of the future
Stress h
has issued from the shrine.—( Cheers
and laughter.)
been laid on the disturbed
condition of several foreign countries, as affording a
clue to the depression of lgn
your domestic industry. Well,