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coalti not eoneUr is opinion with the I.Carneit Civilian (Doctor a him to eatry.. ale a gcana reeding neplettgeathimselr, not only
Ptiillimore) as to the improbability of it measure so just and , to gate them due notice of his intention td ,(I.vance it another
reasonable passing into a law. ' image, but to consult their own convenience in this respect to
.The petition wan brought up. 'the utmost of their power.
M. .M. A. TAY1.011• thought it neaceetatat !tante -step Ur. BANICES said, he had no intention or Wish to offer a
should 'be taken to save the parishes front the buiten /earn• vexatious opposition to the Bill. - Ile had, lit! wever, to make a
..), lairwea of ; but he thought the Catholic Clagy were moth to few remarks on the motion for a second !Teeing, which would
blame that thev did not, after the examples. their brethrintin be in opposition to thee. motion. Ile would, itoweverepromise
other pate of the country, refoce to solerithate marriages er- not to make any objection to the itmtion in point of time, even
cording to the rites of the Catholic Church, unless the pititiat if the Noble Lord should bring it on after midnight.
*ere previously married ,in the parish cintfthes. 'Phaitgli a 'Lord NUGENT said, he merely wished the second reading
genera friend to concession to the Catholics, he coOld not see to take place now pro forma. Ile did not prepuce to make or
how the disability complained (*.rot& be reunite(] Without to invite any discussion on the principle at' the Billa
very strict grounds. a . . 4 Mr. BA NKES was understood
.to say, he feared he could
De. PHI 1,1,1 MORE cld:tined; that ltuul merely felVised not consent to this Arrangement.
his Noble Friend (lend ,Nugent) nut to end:lnfer the fate of Lord NUGENT, said, he lied understoOd time Hon. Member
,hilt Bill by introducing a provision respecti4Wwitiages into did not intend to offer a 'vexatious opposition to the Nil ; and,
it. He (Dr. Phillimote) had formerly prepared al. Bill to en- upon this understentlibg, he had appeal al to the courtesy of
able Catholics to be married'by their own. lergy, biettbe bad the lion. Membei. Ile apprehended that lie toilet iliac' mid.'
not introduced it in consequence of -haying found it woulsd+ ex. taken the nature or the Hon. Member's opposition.
cite opposition in another plaap. ' I 1 , ISLE OF MAN CIIARIT'IES. . '
Mr. BENNE'I' hoped ailillab fentedy this evil *mild be; ee Mr. BROUGHAM begged to ask a question of-the Right
introduced, that if there was any 'one so deficient in decent flog. Secretary opposite, respeeting' the Charitable Inistetti.
feeling as to ,ttppold the ardent' state of things, the world tionlepplie !sled Alan. The Comesion for inqUiry into the
might see, cth oemiring eyes, the soft of person who might "use' if Charities did not extenst,to that island ; but: he under.
be the It eitteseteeilive of a nation boasting of superior lights stood the 'night lion. Gerais:matt held directed certain. inqui.
anti improyed reason. ,
t. T..EVIAS hoped, though hot a Iliend to Obncessiott ifs wished to know of whom those inquiriee were made, arid what
gent r. Chat such a bill would be broil& in. The Catholic was their result. , . .
Priests *dit hound by the la* of their religion not to throw Mr. Secretary PEEL said lie had stated, on a former &ea-
any obstacle lit tile way of marriage, Which was with them- a- Rion, that he was not adverse to the Commission being ex.
soctanient. tended to the isle of Man, if the charities there were sufficient
Mat Mm A. 'TAYLOR Raid, in many parts of England in value to warrant such an expence. They did not appear
Catholie Prietas thought it convenient with their conscience to sufficient ; and inquiries were therefore made, of the Bishop.df
'tale the prildent course he had &Wilted. Soder end Man on the subject ; the iinstreee te which inquiries-
Mt. J. P. GRANT observed„ That, in Scotland, though mare were perfectly satisfactory. If the Hon. sled Learned Member
ridges solemnized by Cathdlie iiriesta were valid, the Priests jtelooltiiihilt. move fbr the correspondence, lie had ho desire to withel
themselves Were liable to heavy penalties for solemnizing them. ,
--Tie bad oncecto defend u Catholic Priest for having married Mr. BROUGHAM said the matter of complaint affected the
two of his flock. ile.hoped the law, in this respect, weld be Millet:himself. Ile did not mean the Bialtop individually,
amended. but the Bishops generally.
After a few wards. from Dr. Pure-1,1310110 and Mr. M. A. Mr. Secretary PEEL said that every thing appeared to have
Taverna the petitlep Was ordered to be printed. been done to advance the interests of the Charity, and there had
Sir J. MACKINI OSII presented a petition from the Flax- undoubtedly been settle departures front the strict letter of the
Dreseers of Knaresboioatait against the reduction of the duty on intentions expressed in &Jule of the bequests ; and he had 'in
Pan Tow 'it-Imported. - consequence apprized the ihdividuals intrusted with the ma:
M. II Cala; thduglit the measure petitioned against credit. nagente,nt of them, that; hotieteer laudable might be their views,
able to the Government; as the duty on Tow had before been they had no power to exercise a discretion, and must adhere
higher as t ampared with its value than that on Flax. literally to the terms of each begtiest.
'Mr. S. RICE observed, that in the Citstoms Consolidation Mr. BROUGHAM said he should take an opportunity of!
Bill the promised reduction on Yarn iniPorted into Ireland was moving tilt the production of the correspondence in question.
not Inade. ALTERATION Ol'' CU 11 RENCY. ' 1
Mia C. GRANT said, its omission was through error, and Mr. WESTERN moved time Order tit the Day for resuming
weuld be remedied. ' ' the debate, on the motion for a Committee to Inquire into the
Mr. BRIGHT gave notice, that Pn the Customs Consolida. effect of the Resumption of Cash Payments.
Sion Bill he should move to repeal the duties of twenty per The miestioit being put front the Chair,
ceht. on articles not enumerated in the Schedule, imported Mr. WODE HOUSE said, that in rising to triage some ob.
from the Colonies, eetvations on this subject, it would not be supposed thtft he was
PRINCESS OF CUMBERLAND. attached to grumbling for the sake of gruintilingi Hie opinion
Sir G. NOEL moved, that the Petition presented on the 3d of this question was, that it was one of paramount importance,
.~"harsh last front the person claiming to be Princess of Cum. and egregiously misunderstood. The Noble Marquis °pies:l4sl
berland be pritited. Ile gaVe notice that, on Wednesday next, had accused him with being the author of the term " equitable'
he should move for a Select Committee, to take the case into adjustment." Ile admitted that it was so, and he would ez. I
consideration, its it was important the question should be set plain to the House how he had first used it. It was at a dinner,
at rest one way or other. The conduct of the Mitalaters wea in honour Oldie memory of the late Mr. Pitt, that he had observ.
equally disgraceful whether tire Claimant was or was not an etl; that had that great Statesman lived to see the result of his
impostor.—Petition ordered to, be 'printed. own measures, he would have hit upon some means of admi.
HEMP—SHIPPING. nistering a more equitable adjustment towards the several in.
Mr. HUME presented a Petition from Mr. D. Hodson, a terests of the community, some of which were suffering so much
shipowner. complaining of the duty on hernia which was now more than others. This was the way in which he had etnploy.
equal to 23 per cent. ad valorem, and which formed a heatry eel the eapresSion in question ; he might be wrong, but he
burthen on British shipping. thought that every slay gave, Confirmatioti to his opinions. lie
Mr. ROBERTSON took occasion to defend a statement had also been alluded to agitating quoted the sentiments of Mr.
which he had made on a former night, when ate asserted thud Henry Thornton ; but when he called to the recollection of
' American ships were not admitted into French ports on equal the House the panegyric peased dui Ott Gentleman by the
terms with French vessels. He read the Ordonnance of the. Right lion. Gentleman 'helopi him (Mr. Huskisson), he
King of France, whence it appeared,
should stand acquitted of having spoken in terms not autho.
francs a ttin Wu retained in favour of French shipping. at g premium of 2d'
He sized. But what he particularly attended -OW, that if Mt.'
mentioned this to show that the policy proposed te be intro. Homer himself had lived, his opinions of lab Wotild not have
:lima into this country was entirely new, at least as far as na.. been those he expressed in 1019, and that when Mr. Locke
tint were concerned that aimed at naval greittnese. As he was quoted it should be considered that as he did not know,
hail before said, our shipping had decreased 130,01RJ tons, our nor conid have conceived what had since occurred; it was like
Seamen 8,000, while our trade had increased four millions ; a ginning an authority from before the flood, about transactions
fact which showed the danger to Wilkh our maritime greatness which had since taken place. Thug it was, he wisheil the ace I
suet ezposed. thins of his Majesty's Ministers to be viewed. Ills firm con-
Mr. OTABERLY thought a reduction of the tleitet mentioned viction was, that when they agreed to this meastite, they were
n the Petition would be attended with gteat benetft. not aware of itt magnitude. ilia opinion was, that they were
The Petition was then read and ordered to lie on the table. too much enamottrol of the theories of the Hon. Member for
Mr. III. 1111.1.: moved for certain Returns relative to Excise Portarlington, that Hon. Member himself not being awned of
Prosecutions.--Ordered. the importance of did measure. Ile wished td speak of dust
Mr. lIUME presented a petition from a person named Hon. tlentleman with the respect due to Mandel-its and chntac.
Clayton, relative to the Laws respecting Coal Aletage. The ter, but be needed no inure to prove his assertion than tO point
Hon. Member said, he should next Session move for a Com_ out, that that lion. Gentlemen told them in 11119 that the
tuittee to enquire into those Imam. principle of the measure was important I hut that the nestle of
'rite petition was ordered to be minted.. carrying it into execution was " trivial, and not worth half an
IRISH BREWERIESse that
. hour's notice." After that; was it ►possible to au
• Mr. ELIAS presented a petition from the Brewers etiDutitn, a mind such as his was, would have so expreseed itself, had
'Cork, and 'Waterford, which he coneidered as expresiing de it been impressed with the true nature of the measure which
sentiments of the whole of the Brewing Trade of Ireland. e had delve so much sail? 'He referred to the Report of
stated that the diminution of the IVhuiekey Duty had lovaered the Aricultattd Committee, which pOinted out the vast progress;
the price of that commodity so as to lender it (from its in. &ion of nation/it iMattovement as a proof of the unnatural effect
of the eetramatdinary issue of paper money. He did not meat
creased consumption), injutiotte W the morals anti health of
the people. It also had the effect of diminishing the consump. to resort to permute' observation ; but he could not help re.
ton of Malt by one third. The Petitioners in consequence, minding the Right Hondttrabla Preeident of the Board of
apprehended the entire destruction of the Beer Trade; and Trade (Mr. Huskiesen) that his sentiments upon these ins.
portant topics were at etre time very different from what he
they therefore prayed for exemption of the Duty on Malt, and
a replit an gof the Duty on Whiskey. had since expreseed. He did not impute this to him as blame,
Mr. . LEWIS said, that every argument advanced by the but merely to shew that they had 'gone to legislation in total
petitionefs had been fully considered, and had not led diet:met. error of the eititatiorm they were in.' Mr. Horner told them
mittte Of the Irish Revenue to recommend any alterationor the. that corn wits the MO proper standard of value ; arid the
systetti now proposed. late Lord Liverpool had observed, 'that in the time of Queen
Sir JOHN NEWPORT spoke in favour of the petition; ' Elizabeth men had a foresight and knowledge, which taeght
llra C. fIiTTCHINSON thotighathe extension of the Brett,- them that the sensible value of money must be tried tty the
cries was of the first importance to the peace and prosperity tif value of other commodities. Ile supported his argument by
elreland. quoting part of Mr. Locke's letter to Lord Somers on the sub.
Mr. GnaTTAN and Mr. Ilia supported] the petitiOn. jest of time currency, in which that great man pointed out that
Mr. MONCK thought the soltjetit referred to by the ftefidOn money was as likely to fluctuate in value as any otltet commo.
•Wal well deterving or the coneitierOttun of Government. dity. • He believed no work lately &Wished ott this subject
Col. BARRY eleo spoke in favour of the „Encouragethent of was better entitled to attention &vitt that 6f Mr. James.
-Iraqi Breweries. That Gentleman was simian,' to be examined before the
The Petition was then read, ar)a ordered to lie on the table, Agricultural Committee. Ile Kali-. Wodehouse) had wished
and'after a few words from Mr. IlEititflos and Mr. It tat:, was him to be called as a whites:l. The Committee were not willing
'ordered to be printed. to do so; and finding' this indisposition on their part, he
Mr. WESTERN said, his lion. Friend, the Member for (Mr. Wotlehouse), like a fool as be was, had waived his de.
Weymouth had given notice of a motion for this evening which mand, and thus much valuable information had probably been
might have the precedence of the adjourned dehateint. last night. lost. He could have wished every man examined who had
Considering the great importance of the question raised by any plan to ofFer for the relief of the country. This might
thnedebate, he hoped his Hon. Friend would consent to Pre it have Involved them in a chaos of. projects ; but from that chaostheepoecedence,
order would probably have arisen. Ile combated the arid.
-Mr. BUXTON said he had no objection to this, en:aided ciples advocated by Dr. Copplestone, denied his facts, and
;eertain papers, for which he intended to move, should be pro.. contended that his work was full of blunders. In the epitaph
litleed ; and lie would in that case bring on his motion, founded on Queen Elizabeth, she had been
_praised for various acts of
on those papers, on the 24th inst. her reign, imd et last come the words, et moneta in fustum va-
- Mr. PRICE plettented a ,sPetition from m ae'oeral freeholders boron redactor. He, however, was satisfied that she had not
'of Herefordoltive in favour of a reconsideration of the Act fur restored money to its just value in the sense, in which it was
roaming (.rash Peytnents. now contended that she btu] done so, and he Was of opinion that
EAST INDIA. MILITARY P 1 NSIONii. if tiny thing could make time old Queen (Elizabeth) start from
Mr. wvs ri said. that allusion had been made on a former • het grave, it would be thte imputation on her thitiacter, and he
'evening to certain claims which the Government had on the had no doubt, in the case' supposed, that of her rising again,
East India Company in respect of the Pensions and Al. • her Melody *AM tell. those of her admirent; who maintained
the doctrines to which he had alluded, that they were all a
lewanees made to Officers in his Majesty's *orrice who had
served in India. A correspondence had taken place between parcel of fiats..-stet laugh.)—lle strongly censured the Act of
hii Majesty's Goapmnient and the East India Company on 1019, as a most pernicious measure. Some good, he thought,
tine subjeete add lie hod the sAtisriction to state that the elites. might yet be done by adopting a silver currency. In conclu-
tion hal • been met tie the fairest manner by the East India sion, the Hon. Gentleman maid, he' wag aware that various
Company, which had agreed at once' to a payment of 00,000/. constructions might be put on what he advanced; but this he
in part satisfaction of those ego& Tel giye effect to the ar. heeded not, animated as he warr,, bet by a sense of public duty.
.• rangement, the sanction of a Conemittee Of that. House would Mr. JAMES was not so fortunate as the Honourable Mem-
. lot necessary, mind he therefore begged to mete that the House bet for Norfolk, for he had not read the writings of' Mr.
.4,14011.1. resolve itself. Into a Conemittee foe that purpose to- Locke and alr. David 'hone on the subject of currency.—
tuotrowe that time House ehntildarmoncireo* resolve itself into He had, hoWever, read the hook of his namesake Out no
a Committee to consider of the' atilariee of the Bishops and relation) Mr. James, and he had also read Mr. Cobbett's
Clergy, the Judges, and other Officers of the Courts of judi. " Paper against Gold," and, in his opinion, that great and
caters in India. eminent writer had thrown more light on the ;subject than all
Both the motions of the Right Honourable Gentleman were the other* together.' He proceeded to explain the effects of an
.agreed td. attetation in the dim oney, and gave it as his opinion, titat as
air. lIIISKISSON presented"a petition from several Owtiers 'the' Legietattere bad ...produced the evil? they were bound to
of Tenements, in and near Liverpool, complaining of the cx. attempt to supply a remedy, To refute an inquiry into the
pence and inconvenience to Alen they were exposed by dui ' subject, raotahl he to sanction a real revolution of the worst
present Law respecting Tenants who Mil Over after having re. kind, anti to countenance evils more appalling in their character
caved orders to quit.—Ordered to lie on time titbit). than any the most tyrannical despotism lied ever inflicted.
Mr. Secretary PEEL presented a petition from several Lora FOLKESTONE rose with reluctance, but did so, as
Linendrapers of Belfast, complaining or the great expense to it had been' thought the proposition which he had to offer might
'Which they were put by the high price of Coal, and other ma. be most conveniently offered in the shape of an amendment to
tceials, necessarily used in the process of bleaching linen, and the motion now before the House. He• contrasted the argue
Jo-aying for rellea—Ordered to lie on the table. ments of his lion. Friend, the Member for Portarlingtora, and
After a few words from Sir A. tatiortosoea in favour of remarked, he could not have faith in his present prediction,
'the petitioh, tt was ordered to lie on the table. remembering es he did how time former prophecies of his 110.
TREATY OF 1014. nourable Trend had failed. Ile had spoken in 1019 very
:dr. BUXTON Moved 'several for copies ot Papers, con. lightly- of the inconveniences which would follow from the
ewieting principally of aeorfevontience between the Duke of adoption of the measure then under consideration, and had
'Wellington and Earl Bathurst, respecting the amount of the said, that ere long (he believed the Hon. Gentleman laid limited
stuns received from Prance, under the Treaty of 1814, in antis. the period to time following (:hrietines) they would took back
faction of the claims of I:tighten! upon that country ; 'and for With wonder to time apprehensions whielt they had felt on this
several Accounts shorting the appropriation of thoite name.— subeeata Since ttra. Blithad passed,' however, the prices of every
!description f'o agrtcultintel produep had declined, and' the sites;.
Ordered. .
that on the Midi Width lie' titot of those connected whh the land had been continually et.
Mr. BUXTON then gave notice,
shook' submit a matiOn td the noose, tObe founded on these tang worse from that period down' fce the present time. The
effect which the restoration of' the curtency had prodtaced on all
Papers. ' contracts previously made, that he proposed( to nmekte as an
FIGLISH CATHOLIC WM..
' a l which lie amendment to the motion of the Hon. Gentleman tile audition
Lord NUCIENT said he had to repeat an appeal
I'
lied made in the est ter part of' the eveniti to' the collevY. of of words declaratory of the intention of the House ttte inquire
die lion. Meinhcra who opt the B'll furaittendidg tre pH. into the practicability of making some equitable anlngement
2to 1 f Fatikkie He was which would save the parties concerned from impending ruin.
,sileges of the , rt4sh Citthlhe- -- those o n iiied to move the By some it was said that such a proposit?on tended to a revolt:.
aapreheneive List unless oe were now_ per
inbound reading of the Dill the time would be too far advanced tion ; but he would maintain that to tersiat in the present course
ur it to pas* through the other House this Sessionr i Ire theie. was more likely to lead to such an even, as wgreater revolu.
toe" , thelion3tetnhers who opposed the Bill would. abw ellow tion in property lifaT Rot./ taking pleVe than had el et fteen Wit:,