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TITHES (IRELAND).

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL for Ireland moved
for leave to bring in a Bill to amend an Act passed in the
first and second years of the reign of her present Ma-
jesty, intituled, " Au Act to abolish Compositions for
Tithes in Ireland, and to substitute Rent-charges in lieu
thereof,"
Mr. SHAW considered the object of the Bill highly
desirable.—Leave given.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated
(in answer to Captain Pechell) it was not the intention of
Government to propose any measure relieving charitable
institutions from those imposts incurred in erecting edifices,
which were laid upon the rest of the community.
The House adjourned at Ten o'Clock.

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DISMISSAL OF MINISTERS.—An immense
Public meeting in the Bazaar, last night, in the most enthusi-
astic manner, agreed to memorialize her Majesty to dismiss her
present Ministers, and to call to her Councils men more de-
serving the public confidence, and better able to fill the im-
portant offices of British Ministers, and also to petition both
nouses of Parliament to address her Majesty f..r the same pur-
tst. Mr. Proudfoot in the chair. The speakers were Messrs.
BC. Pattison, J. Rodgers, M. Cullen, Malcolm Macfarlane,
"Itihyre. Gilbert, W. Thomson, and others of our most res-
pectable citizens. Owing to the late hour to which the pro-
ceedings were protracted by discussion, we are unable to do
more than give this passing notice. We promise a full and ac-
curate [
Amongst reort in our next.— Scots Times—lasgow Pap. p G
the names mentioned we recognize some leaderser of
the., Chartists, but none of the leaders of the Tories.—En.
.t/1,T.1
The opera stated to have been accepted at Drury
Lane Theatre previously to its close, the music of which is from
the compositions of his Royal Highness Prince Albert, has, we
understand, been, by desire, submitted to the Earl of Uxbridge;
?aid that Air. Matthews, after an interview with his Lordship,
has agreed to produce it forthwith at Covent Garden Theatre.
Mr. Beale, of the musical firm of Cramer, Ad-
dison, and Beale, has taken Drury-lane Theatre, his term to
commence from October next. It is in contemplation then to
produce " opera" upon a more perfect and extensive scale than
has ever been attempted in this country.
AN ANGULAR DUEL.—At Pyrmont, in the
principality of Waldeck, according to a journal of the country,
_ a duel lately took place, in which one of the combatants stood
within the pritcipality of Lippe, and his adversary within that
t aldeck, and one of the seconds within
he kingdom of Ha-
'',lllFr ; the balls were afterwards found in the Duchy of Bruns-
Thec affair, consequently, took place at the convergent
angles of four different states.

CHURCH EXTENSION AND

VOLUNTARY PRINCIPLE.

A public meeting of the Friends of the Religious Free-
dom Society took place yesterday at the Freemasons'
Hall. The audience was crowded, and highly respect-
able. Most of the Dissenting Ministers of eminence in
London were present. Amongst them we saw Mr. Bur-
net, Mr. Hinton, Mr. Caleb Morris, Mr. Young, &c., &e.
We also observed on the platform Mr. Plume, M.P. ;
Mr. Easthope, M. P. ; Mr. Evart, M. P. ; Mr. A. White,
M.P. Also Sir Culling Eardley Smith, Bart. ;J. Con-
der, Esq ; Mr. Boykett, and other gentlemen of influ-
ence among the Dissenters. The galleries were filled
with ladies.

His Royal Highnes; the DUKE of SUSSEX, who was re-
ceived with the most hearry,applause, took the Chair at
twelve o'clock, and said—Gentlemen, You fitid me here

again, joining you for the noble purpose for which we were
congregated about this period last year. At that time I
stated the motives and the principles which brought me
among you ; and so far from my having found any thing
to alter them, they have prompted me again to come and
sanction, by my presence, the open. the candid, the honest
expression of your opinions. —( Cheers.) Gentlemen, I
then, perhaps, addressed you with more excitement than
on the present occasion, because we were all labouring then
under great political feelings, to which I gave frank expres-
sion at the time ; and I stated to you the numerous ideas of
past events which forced themselves upon my mind.
Similar feelings now crowd on my mind, when standing
on this, which I must call consecrated ground.—( Cheers. )
Gentlemen, I have no doubt that you will act up to and
maintain your opinions which have so often been expressed
here, now that you are assembled to oppose a measure
of which notice has been given, by a very worthy and re-
spectable Member of the House of Commons (Sir Robert
Inglis), for Church Extension—a measure from which I,
among many others, forcibly, honestly, respectfully, dis-
passionately, dissent..—( Loud cheers.) We arc not here
upon religious differences or discrepancies, but upon the
broad principle of the right of every man to worship God
according to the dictates of his own conscience.—( Cheers. )
%gentlemen, now and then a vulgar expression finds its way
in to the most elegant speech—(Laughter)—often with a

great deal of force and trnth, and it-strikes me, that this
is not a question of religion so much as of plain pounds,
shillings, and pence (Cheers) and the best rule
to observe in this, 53 with other cases, is to look

at things co their fair meaning, clearing► them
from the misapplication of words and the entanulements of
confused ideas.---(Hear, hear, hear.) Now, Gentlemen,

my situation in life has enabled me to mix with the higher
classes of society; and good fortune and Divine Provi-
dence have enabled me also to mingle with the middle

orders--(Cheers)--and with what little reading and re-
flection I have been able to devote to the subject, com-

laining all these together, Gentlemen, I give You the re-
:wit. And I confess my feelings on this question have
been somewhat mystified by certain expressions I have
heard of in high quarters—as, for instance, that there
would be no " objection to drop, from the taxes levied
on all the country, a few crumbs, by way of charity,
to assist the Dissenting communities." Charity .1
Gentlemen ?—(Tremendous cheering.) This is, indeed,
u strange application of the term.—( Hear, hear.) Gen-
tlemen, I have been educated in attachment to the Church
of England. For her defects—spare me !—( Loud cheers. )
I need not say that, so long a 3 law is law, it must be re-
spected—(Cheers)—for not submitting to law, is putting
all law at defiance, and thereby endangering the safety of
the State.—( Hear, hear.) By reason and by right, the
truth must ultimately prevail.—(Cheers.) But now, as
to this demand for the extension of the Church, let me
observe that if the proposition were—if it were possible_
to remove the superabundant churches from where they
are not wanted, to districts where they are, there could
be no ob jection to it.—( Hear, hear.) But I object
decidedly to an extension of the Church, by the
erection of r, ew edifices at the cost of the country at large,
and to be bur ne by the taxation of all classes—(Cbeers)—
especially whi. at the necessity of such extension is not
proved ; for winu it is said " such a place wants a new
Church," how d, aes it want it ? Why it will turn out
that the commienity who lived formerly (say in Cheapside
for instance), is here abundance of Churches existed, have
removed, in the fluctuations of life, to another part of the
country, in the neighil-ourhood of the metropolis, where
there are not Chvrches; very well, the Churches in
Cheapside are not .wanted.—(Cheers and laughter.) I
do not wish to take from the Church, however, what it has,
I only object to adding. more to what it already possesses.
The want of &lurch-room arises from the cause I have
stated, and fron t the absence' of sufficient accommodation
in the churches :now existing fZ•Ir the free seating of the
poorer classes.— (Hear, hear, lie er.) It seems not an un-
fair representation. Gentlemen, that when a demand is
made for a tax oh the whole commto it should be re-
collected that the composition of that tlorrimunity is exceed-
ingly mixed, e.nd that the Church of Er. bland cannot be
said to compri so half the population—( Veer, hear)—while
in Scotland there are scarcely fourteen .11 the Peers at-
tached to the I,.:irk ;_ and in Ireland the vast majority of the
people are Ron tan Catholics. Whether their tenets are
rig.bt or not, 1: do not here say ; I am speaking only of
justice, and of at matter of pounds, shillings, avd pence.—
( Hear, hear.) The question is, whether the whole
country should 'he taxed to extend a church system, from
which only a part cf the population derive any benefit ?
( Hear, hear.) Noav, Gentlemen, in discussing this ques-
tion, while I should wish yeu not to use language which
may be misconstrued into lukewarmness, I also trust you
will not allow any del uonstration of feeling which would
be unbecoming yourseloes, and unsuited for a meeting pre-
sided over by a member of the Royal Family.—( Loud
and.long-cov.inued clic er ing.) Remember, that if your
course is trutir, the God of Righteousness will prosper it.

—( Renewed cheers.) 'rho Great Disposer of all events
well knows holy to distinguith between that religion which
is genuine, and that which is only adopted as a. mask—
( Hear, hear)--c‘nd, Gentlemen, it is my opinion that the
pretence of religion, without its reality, is more injurious
to the welfal-e of so ciety than the utter absence of it.—
( Hear, hear.) Gen tlemen, I will now only state that in
all the resolutions w hich are to be submitted to you, I en.
tirely and cordially .concur.—(Cheers.)
Mr. HAWES then came forward to move the first resolu-
tion, which he said he much regretted his Hon. Friend,
Mr. Charles Lusbin gton, had been prevented from moving.
He congratulated the meeting on the presidency of his
Royal Highness, 'who, dear as he was to civil, would now
be dearer still to !religious liberty.—(Cheers.) The Le-
gislature had, b y the acts of Catholic Emancipation and
repeal of the T, Ist Acts, solemnly ratified the principle of
religious tolerati on. It was now for the Legislature to go
one step further, and show that religious liberty was some-
thing more than toleration._-(Cheers.) Now, he opposed
the measure pr :posed by Sir Robert Inglis on three dis-
tinct grounds ; first, that it was a violation of the rights
of conscience— eis an extension of that violation which al-
reedy existed-- (Cheers)—secondly, that it waa based on
the grossest in; histice—injustice to Catholic Ireland—to
Presbyterian St etland, and to the Dissenters of England
and Wales—(C peers); and, thirdly, because the neces-
sity for the xtenston was not made out ( Much
cheering.) TI e friends of the Church seemed to over-
look all otht r religious communities —to unchurch
every Church but their own.--(Much cheering.) They
went upon tile," supposition that religion and the Church of
England wereit 'entical--( Hear, hear)—which he altoge-
ther denied—(Q I,heers)—for he believed with Mr. Burke,
that religion cote prehended the Church—not the Church,
religion.—(Ch irs.) Even admitting (which was not
the fact) that tl at Church was poor—how did it become
so? By the gr wisest mismanagement of her own funds—
( Ilear)—hy the most scandaloes profligacy on the part of
many of her dig aitaries, by alienations of her property, un-
equalled by the vilest of robbers and spoliators.—( Loud
cheers.) It had been stated by Lord Althorp, in a Bill for
the better manae 'c:ment of episcopal property, that not more
than one-sixth of fate Church lands were in her possession
—that five-sixths: of her land were in the possession of her
tenants ; but the Church was a bad landlord—and the be-
nefit to the tenant; did not compensate for the injury to the
Church property. —(Hear, hear.) With respect to the
revenues of the Cl ,urch---the ecclesiastical returns to Par-
liament were not t obe relied on. The tithes to be com-
muted under th New Act amounted to 5,000,0001.
per annum, and ! in addition to that, 1,480,0001. had
already been cot nmuted. The value of the Church
leases (according to returns) was upwards of a mil
lion—then the Irish Church had at least 600,000/ ,
and the Scotch ,:300.0001., making a gross total of more
than 8,000,0001 ... —( Hear.) Certainly the value of the
lay impropriatio ns ought to be deducted ; but as on the
other hand he h ad 1. of included the value of the glebe lands,
surplice fees, 8 :c., he believed be had understated it.—
( Hear.) And would any friend of the Church say that the
advancement of religion by the Establishment had been
commensurate vs ith this vast expenditure ?—( Hear.) Look
at Socialism, f ot: instance. How was it that eight millions
a year did not; stop it?—(Cheers.) He believed firmly
that our Churc h Establishment was injurious to the cause
of true religion .—(Cheers.) And as doubtless he should
be exposed for that declaration to much obloquy, as inimi-
cal to religion, he would just give one or two reasons for
the faith that was in him.—( Hoer.) In the county of
Surrey, with which he was connected, there were such
cases as these. —Farnham—population, 6,000 ; annual value
of livings, 2,0 001. ; curate's stipend, 100/. a year. —( !lean)
'Bentley-- pal mlation, 800: living, 1,000/. ; curate's sti-
f end, '2B/ (Oh, oh.) Frencham—population, 2,000 ;
annual re lue of living, 1,000/., Curate's salary 801.—
(Shame, slut le.) In Sea-cum (something we did not
catch) tha pop illation was 400—tithes were 3501,, and the
Curate's stipeat 1251.—( Loud exclamations of indignation. )
In Addteisly, p opulation 700, anpual value of tithes 650/.,
Curate's stipen d 15/. I—(Loud critn of " Shame.") Was
it not infamous, that thus the income of the Church should
be squandered by dignitaries, residing far from their pa-
rishes in luxury and ease—leaving the work to be done by
hard working Clergymen on miserable stipends ?
(Cheers.) SureiV, surely, the incomes of the Clergy
ought to be more equalized.—(Hear, hear.) If it should
be exclaimed aga inst him that he wished to uproot the
Church, he would entrench himself behind the authority
of Lord John Ra moll, who, while he had been ever to
Dissenters dear, as I to religious and to civil liberty a
faithful friend—( C;oes-trs)—had, in reality, notwithstanding
all the obloquy that: id been cast upon him—been a sin-
cere friend also to the Church.—( Hear, hear.) And the
Noble Lord had said'. that it was more imprtant to pro-
vide for the spiritual wants of neglected millions than to
sustain the munifi sent incomes of a wealthy hie-
ratchy.—(Leud chef Irs.) Let the Church, then,
out of her own : superfluous resources, provide for
the, required extension t of her instrumentality.— ( Cheers.)
It 'had been stated tats tly in a circular from the Lay Asso-
ciation for the Defenc a of the Church, that the Church,
like the army and navy,, should be increased with the aug-
mented population of the country. But would the Church,
be placed on a footing wi ith the army and navy, which de-
fended all classes, wbich. . maintained the sanctity of every
altar, awl the security or every home ?—(Cheers.) The
circular also stated that: \within the last twenty-five years
the army and navy bad absorbed 300 000.00 a, and the
Church only 3,000,000/.--leaving nut of account the
Church proper 15.—( Hoer, hear.) But multiplying the
average income from that property by 25, there would
result the sum of 125,000,0001., which, added to the
3,000,0001. gear is of public money in that period, would
make 128,000,0 001. in twenty-five years.—(Hear, bear.)

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He avowed himself boldly a voluntary.—(Cheers.) He
advocated the voluntary principle, believing, as he did, that
it would be amply sufficient for the maintenance of reli-
gion.—( Hear, hear, hear.) He knew that in the
borough of Lambeth, which he represented, the Chu+ch
compulsory system had provided sittings for 40,0001. and the
voluntary principle for GO 0001.—( Hear, hear.) And ner-
suaded he was, on such facts as these, that the voluntary
principle must ultimately be the foundation of the religious
instruction of this country —(Cheers.) He had obi creed
ever since he had been in Parliament that on all questions
of national improvement the Church was made the main
support of their opponents, and if the Church was a party
Church, it must follow the fate of party.—( Loud and re-
iterated cheering ) The indignation of a great people
was smouldering in its might, and when the dreadful storm
burst over the heads of the Establishment, perchance the
Government would be swept away, which in milder times
would gladly have been preserved.—( Cheers.) Let him
just observe that the erection of new churches would create
fresh difficulties as to Church rates--( Hear. hear)—arid
that the late attempts to take advantage of the voluntary
principle in the support of the new churches, had done the
Church mure injury than anything else.-(Hear, hear.)
Better far to have boldly adopted the principle, than take
the half and half course, not knowing how to get
a tax—( Laughter) —yet, fearing to rely upon voluntaryism,
the Church would fall within the two.—( Cheers.) He
trusted that the spirit of this meeting would spread through
the country.—( Hear, hear.) Let not the Ministry med-
dle in religious questions—(Hear)—let the Ministry leave
us, said the Hon. Member, to fight our own battles, and
we will do it.—( Cheers ) Let not the Ministers interfere
in the Church of Scotland question.--( Hear, hear.) Let
those who began the contest fight it out.—(Cheers and
laughter.) Let not the Ministry do aught to encourage
our opponents and discourage us ; that is all we ask. We
will do the work—(Cheers)—.We will do it temperately
and with moderation, but like men.--( Loud cheers.) The
Hon. Gentleman, in conclusion, moved a resolution, hold-
ing up the practically good effects of the voluntary prin-
ciple in the support of religion.
Sir C. E. SMITH then came forward to second the resc-
lotion. He appeared there shortly, deliberately, and dis-
passionately to say that he entered into the present discus-
sion as a voluntary, because lie believed the principle
embodied in the resolution was conformable to reason, and
was the only principle on which religion could be main-
tained in harmony with the word of God.—(Cheers ) It
was for this reason that he now appeared, for the first time,
upon the platform of the Religious Freedom Society.--
(Cheers.) He viewed with great satisfaction the rapid
erection of places of worship in this country upon the vo-
luntary principle. As the Hon. Gentleman who had spoken
last had alluded to the voluntary principle in the county of
Surrey, he might be pardoned for adverting to its effect in
the country generally. Out of 11,825 churches and
chapels in connection with the Church of England,
9,926 had beer, erected on the voluntary principle, exclu-
sive of proprietary chapels; and in London 202 churches
had been erected connected with the Established Church ;
while 418 had been erected on the voluntary principle.
In Scotland 900,000 persons above ten years of age were
in habitual attendance at places of worship connected with
the Established Church, while 1,100,000 attend on places
of worship unconnected with it. In Ireland 7,000,000
of persons had provided themselves with places of woe ship
without compulsion. It was clear, therefore, that the
voluntary principle was amply sufficient to supply the
the religious necessities of the country, without compulsory
measures being resorted to. He attended that meeting as
a Christian, and speaking as such be felt bound to say
that a Christian Church ought not to have any connection
with the State.--( Great cheering.) They lived at
the present moment in great and glorious times,
in times when questions like the present were sure to
meet with attention, and for his own part- he must be
allowed to say that he thought the meeting was under
the gr&.test obligations to his Royal Highness for sanc-
tioning the discussion of that day by his presence, and
he was sure that that sanction would produce its effects
on the public. The Worthy Baronet concluded by se-
conding the resolution, which was put by the Royal
Chair man, awl declared by him to be carried, only one
hand being held up against it.
Mr. BAINES', the Member for Leeds, then came forward
to move the second the resolution. He would endeavour, as
far as possible, to adhere to the rule laid down by their
Royal Chairman. Before he went into the merits of
the resolution, he ought first to state what might not be
palatable to all present, that he was a friend to
Church Extension, bat while lie was so he begged to be
understood that he was only friendly to it when it Was
brought forward under the operation of the voluntary prin-
ciple.—( Cheers.) No one could doubt that there ought
to he religious accommodation according to the wants of
the people ; and the only question were, how that accom-
modation was to be afforded ? He (Mr. R.) was directly
opposed to the opinions expressed by the Right Hon.
Baronet, who had been described that day as a worthy and
well-principled man, but one who acted under erroneous
impressions. What would be the effect of the proposition
of the Right lion. Baronet, that there ought to be pro-
vided for all the people full instruction and accommoda-
tion, according to the rights of the Established Church ?
Why, the effect of it would be this—to plunge the country
deeper into debt for no purpose whatever. He therefore
could not conceive on what principle it was the Hon. Baronet
had been induced to give notice of the motion. Supposing
the resolution to be adopted, how was the money to be ob•
tained ? Why, the Dissenters would have to take their
share of the burthen, and thereby a tax would be placed
upon them which they never ought to bear. But it had
been said that a vast number of petitions bad been pre-
sented to the House in favour of Church Extension, Now,
what was the real history of those petitions ? Why, that
although there might be a great number of them, the
names attached to them were extremely few, and none of
those petitions had been got up at a public meeting, the
fact being, that the absurdity of them was too great to en-
counter public discussion, and represented nothing but the
cupidity of those who got them up.—( Cheers.) Ore of
the declarations in those petitions was, that the people of Eng-
land and Wales had increased with such great rapidity, that
they had overgrown the resources of the National Church ;
--(Cheers.) That proposition he begged leave most
positively to deny. It was true that the population of the
country had increased, but it bad not overgrown the re-
sources of the National Church.—( Cheers.) Another
proposition in the petition was, that spiritual destitution
had taken place in districts that were the least capable of
supplying the remedy. No doubt such things had taken
place, but he would never do the members of the Esta-
blished Church the injustice to suppose that there was not
liberality enough among them to supply the remedy.—
Another proposition in the petition was that the defi-
ciency in the Church Establishment was a great national evil,
but that it would ill become the Legislature of the country
to leave it to be supplied by the people voluntarily. That
proposition he (Mr. B.) believed to be exactly the con-
verse of truth, because he considered that, were that defi-
ciency wanted to be supplied, it would ill become them to
supply it by putting their hands into other men's pockets.
But it was said that the people at large would rejoice to
see the national wealth applied to the honour of H:m who
gave it. He (Mr. B.) thought that the great glory of
the measure would be done away by making it compulsory,
the test of its merits being in the voluntary manner in
which the people would act. The Han. Gentleman who
had spoken had described the effects of the voluntary and
the compulsory principle ; and he might be pardoned if he
alluded to its effects in the town of Leeds. In that town
in 1522 and 1823, new churches were built at an expense
of 33,0001. out of what was called the Million Fund ; the
effect of this was, that for a length of time one of these
churches was very ill attended, and it was a kind of joke
among the inhabitants that one of the ministers, who was
paid out of the seat-rents, did not obtain above a shilling
for each sermon he preached, having to deliver 104 ser-
mons in the course of the year, and receiving about 51. for
them.--( Laughter and cheers ) Such was the effect
of the compulsory principle. Now as to the voluntary.
A new church had been built in Leeds upon that principle,
at an expense of 12,000/. ; it had a most numerous con-
gregation, and was in a most flourishing state. It was
clear, therefore, that the voluntary principle was the best
to be adopted. Bet then it wan said that the. Church was
he poverty. What had Bishop Burnett said on that sub.
Ject? He had said—" We hear mush of the poverty of
the Church`; but if the revenues of it were applied to the
proper means of extending religious instruction, and were
not monopolised by certain dignitaries, it would be found
that they were amply sullic:ent for all purposes.—( Cheers )
The Hon. Gentleman concluded by proposing. the resolu-
tion, which was to the effect that the meeting rejoiced in
the recognition of the voluntary principle by the Eats.
blished Church.
Sir GEORGE STRICKLAND seconded the resolution. He
was himself a member of the Church of England, and
deeply attached to it, for he believed that of all the Esta-
blishments that ever existed in any part of the world,
there never was an establishment whose principles, when
rightly understood, were so mild, so tolerant, and so true.
—(Cheers.) He was, and had always been, the advocate
of the Church Establishment when it was properly carried
out, but it ought so to conduct itself as not to give offence
to the great body of the people, and it was his firm belief
that one of the worst efforts it could make was to attempt
to tax the people of England for its support. As had been
truly stated by one of the preceding speakers, the question
was one of pounds, shillings and pence. It had been said
that the population of the country bad so increased as to
render it impossible for the Church to supply its religious
wants. He (Sir G. S.) admitted at once that the popu-
lation had greatly increastd, but the funds of the Church
had increased in a greater proportion, and he felt no doubt
that, if those funds had been properly administered, the
Church would have, within itself, amply sufficient funds to
clear away all that had been said about its destitution.—
(Cheers.) He believed, that if the people acted firmly
and temperately,.they would soon see, along with all esta-
blishments and sects, true and pure religion advancing for
the prosperity of mankind.
The resolution was then put to the meeting by his
Royal Highness, and declared to be carried, only one
hand being held up against it.
Mr. EWART then rose to propose the third resolution.
He said that he felt called upon to discuss great principles,
and that he was discussing them at a most important time.
The principles they were met that day to discuss were not
unknown at the earlier periods of the history of this coun-
try, for they breathed the soul of Milton, and
were illuminated by the mind of Locke.—( Hear,
hear, hear.) He rejoiced to find that against Ox-
ford and S'r R. Inglis they had to oppose the authority
opposed
of Locke, illustrated so ably as it had been by the Royal
and Illustrious Duke who was there to aid them in their
great work that day. It was his firm belief that those who
yt he rich,
advocated the voluntary principle were the
erirleabl supporters
of the Church. It had been said thosebyholdh,o that opp
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but that that could not be done by the poor. What had
been done in Wales? Why in that barren region, by th a
force of the voluntary principle alone, the people had found
no lack of means to worship their Creator according to the
dictates of their own hearts.—( Here the Royal Chairman
suggested to Mr. Ewart that Mr. NPNeile, who had
been lecturing against the voluntary principle, was
himself sustained upon that principle by the persons
who frequented his church at Liverpool.) He
should not have taken the liberty of alluding to the sub-