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BUSINESS OF THE SESSION.

Lord BROUGHAM then rose to call the attention
of the House to the manner in which the business of
Parliament had been conducted during the present ses-
sion. He did so with no factious design. His intention
was to bring under the consideration of their Lordships
the course legislation had pursued during the present
session, and in doing so his only object was to gather
lessons for the future, and prevent Parliament from
undergoing such another session as that which was
now about to close. He would call their Lordships' at-
tention to the measures that had been introduced,
those that had been withdrawn and those that had
passed. Of the latter he felt bound to say that he had
never known a session in which such calamitous mea-
sures had passed. Of the English Poor-law Bill which
they had passed this session he could not say much.
Another measure was the Poor Relief(lreland) Bill. How
long that measure was to last he could not say; but he
believed, that in bringing it forward, they were only
putting off the evil day. It was one thing to give relief,
and another, after they had taught men to be beggars,
to withdraw it. To say that because persons were to be
relieved from hunger who were unable to help them-
selves during the summer months was a proposition
which he must confess he could not grapple with. Ile
found that in several districts assessments had been made
to the amount of 9s. in the pound for a single quarter of
the year, making a sum equal to 365. in the pound for
the year. Unless the pound sterling had a capacity of
swelling in Ireland, he did not see how those rates were
to be paid. Then there was the Factories Bill—it did
not require the talents of the seer to forsee what would
be the results of that Bill. Those three measures were
certainly the worst that he had ever known to be passed.
Now with respect to another subject, the endowment of
the Catholic Church he thought it might be rather
an unpopular opinion to express just now, that the
Catholic priesthood ought to be endowed, and he be-
lieved that despite the assertions to the contrary, that
there was not a single individual in connexion with that
church who would not jump at the offer. He was sorry
that a measure had not been introduced to carry out
those opinions. He greatly lamented that the advice of
a Noble Friend of his had not been taken, to establish
amicable relations with the see of Rome ; and when
alluding to foreign nations, he could not in passing avoid
alluding to the Prussian Government, to pay the tribute
of his profound respect and grateful thanks for the noble
sacrifices, even of prerogative, which the illustrious
Monarch of that country had lately made in giving a free
constitution to his people, and he knew that the same
feeling was felt universally in this country. In some
quarters, indeed, he knew that that gift of a constitution
was not favourably viewed, but such he knew was not the
feeling in England. Then again, there were measures which
were just brought forward seemingly for the purpose of
being withdrawn, some of them of the most important
nature, others of a less important character, but all
of them involved in one common and pitiless abandon•
ment. The first to which he would refer was one with
respect to Ireland, for the purpose of extending the
period of elections for counties in Ireland. The pre-
amble of that Bill recited, that " Whereas it was expo •
dient to limit the polling at elections to one dee," yet the
Bill contained no proviso for so reducing the time to be
allowed for such elections. That Bill, however expe-
dient might have been its provisions was gone, however,
with its brother Bill—the Pie liamentary Electors' Bill.
Then, again, there was the Encumbered Estates (Ireland)
Bill, which was considered of so much paramount im-
portance to the best interests of the country. He thought
that nothing ought to have stood in the way of allowing
that Bill to pass. But notwithstanding the importance
and the necessity of such a measure, the Government
bad made that to share the same fate as the other unfor-
tunate Bills. Ho then came to another Bill, which pro-
posed to effect much good for the whole commercial
system of the country, he alluded to the Railways' Bill.
He could hardly mention the name of that Bill without
' exciting a smile. He highly approved of the interference
proposed by that Bill ; it was perfectly necessary that
some such supervision should be carried on by the
Government over the railway interests. By rail-
ways the whole of the country was cut up, the
old modes of travelling suspended, and the
roads blocked up. A monopoly was afforded to
those parties, and powers to take land and property com-
pulsorily. A Bill was brought in to allow the Govern-
ment some control over parties possessing these enor-
mous powers, and had been withdrawn in consequence of
the threatened opposition of the railway authorities.
He had no hope to see that measure carried in the next
Parliament, which was to be the first of the railway
Parliaments, and where he had no doubt that instead of
there being one person entrusted in railways, there would
be a dozen. He deeply regretted, therefore, that the
Bill had been withdrawn. Then the Health of Towns
Bill, that was a subject mentioned in the speech from the
Throne, and a Bill had been introduced at an early
period on the subject, but in that Bill the very place (the
city of London) which of all others most needed the ope-
ration of the Bill, was excluded therefrom. That unfor-
tunate Bill, however, went the way of all Bills, except
those which were of no real value or service to the coun-
try. Then there was the Thames Conservancy Bill, a
Bill of great national importance, that had also gone the
way of all the Bills. There was a Prisons Bill, also,
that had been withdrawn, The Regulation of Births and
Deaths (Scotland) that had shared a similar fate.
Now, all these things showed clearly to his mind the
signs of a weak Government, and he thought that any
Ministry was better than a weak Ministry. He sincerely
hoped that he might never live to see such sentiments
again adopted with respect to Bills, as had been with
respect to the Health of Towns Bill, the Encumbered.
Estates Bill, and the Railways Bill. He hoped to see,
whatever Government should succeed, one that was sup-
ported by public opinion, enshrined in its own merits in
the hearts of the people, and supported by large majo-
rities in both Houses of Parliament. Most sincerely did
he trust that he might never again have to lament over
such a session as this. He would, therefore, move that
an humble address be presented to her Majesty, setting
forth that the measures recommended from the Throne
had not been carried out by her Majesty's Ministers.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said—l am sure your
Lordships must have observed that my Noble and
Learned Friend, perhaps unconsciously and unwillingly,
has directed a great deal of his speech and thrown a
great deal of blame, not merely upon the Government,
but upon the character and proceedings of Parliament.
And although my Noble and Learned Friend may have
made no direct attack upon the Government, I feel that
I would not lee acting consistently with my duty to
allow this motion to be negatived (for I trust your Lord-
ships will give to it a decided negative) without a few
observations. My Noble and Learned Friend stated, in
sweeping terms, that public regret and disappointment
has been occasioned by the measures which have
been withdrawn and the mischievous measures which
have been passed during the present session. The
general charge of my Noble Friend divides itself into
three parts—first, with respect to those mea-
sures which have passed ; secondly, with respect to
those which have failed to pass ; and thirdly, as regards
those which have been withdrawn. Now, my Lords, on
these three heads I venture to say that there is not one
word of condemnation used by my Noble Friend to-
wards the proceedings of this session of Parliament
which would not apply in an equal and corresponding
degree to four out of every five sessions that we have
gone through. And if that be so, how much less does
that blame and condemnation apply to the present ses-
sion, when the circumstances of the country were in a
condition which was more adverse to that mature deli-
beration which great and permanent measures require,
when there was greater exigency and. more pressing
evils than almost on any previous session.—(Hear.) My
Noble Friend talked about the ill consequences of a too
great subservience and courtesy of public opinion by the
other House, but I must remind him that when he de-
scribes those evils (if evils they be) he must remember
that they are the inevitable consequence of that measure
which I joined with him in supporting—which is now
the law of the land—which gave to the people that
franchise which had been most unjustly withheld from
them—those privileges to which they were fairly en-
titled, and by the concession of which the foundations of
our institutions were most materially strengthened.
When that. great measure was carried my Noble and
Learned Friend must have been blind if he did not see
among its inevitable consequences the rendering of Mem-
bers of the other House of Parliament more attentive to
the wishes and feelings of their constituents, and more
eager to gain their good opinion. But, making allow-
ance for this spirit, which does not present itself upon
this year for the first time, but which has shown itself
session after session since that great event in a similar
manner, what is there singular or extraordinary in this
session? My Noble and Learned Friend talks about the
withdrawal and abandonment of Bills. Why, that has
been the case every session at least within our memory,
lie relies upon the Health of Towns Bills. He seems to
forget that that very sanatory measure, which he speaks
of as if brought forward this session for the first time,
and to which he says public attention was attracted in
order that it might be sacrificed, has undergone that
same operation before—(Hear)—has been presented and
withdrawn—withdrawn, too, without one word of cen-
sure or remark from my Noble and Learned Friend.-L-
-(Hear, hear.) He talks about the ghosts of Bills, and
speaks of the shades of those departed measures with an
air of affected regret. He says that they are inanimate.
Let me tell my Noble Friend that if there is justice at
the bottom of these measures, if they are essentially use-
ful and just, I entirely disagree with him, for I do not
believe that it is in the nature of the institutions of this
country—that it is in accordance with our former history
or with public spirit, that such measures should fall and
be heard of no more. No, my Lords, if they tend to
promote the interest of the community, if they were
founded upon truth, they will not perish—their seeds
will not fail to fructify, and the time will
come when Parliameat, in its wisdom, will adopt them,
and when the public mind having been enlightened by
discussion, they will come into more perfect and har-
monious operation than if hastily passed, and before their
nature and extent were sufficiently understood. My
Noble and Learned Friend seems to think a Government
ought to have nothing to do but to propose Bills, and
then have them passed at once; but he ought to know
well, as your Lordships must be well aware of, that there
never has been a Government, and never will be, so
strong as at once to su:ldut, public ft cling, and in spite of
it to early in one session any great and impurtsnt mea-
sure which they might think it expedient to propose.

What is the history of the great measures which I ave,
been sanctioned by Parliament but a gradual strugg+e,
against public feeling and public opinion—a struggle or
reason against prejudice, of truth egainst ignorance ?
Such has been the history of the monopoly of the East
India Company, which was long supported by the greatest
men this country could boast of. Such is also the his'
tory of the Test Act, of the Relief Bill of 1829, and °
various other great and important measures. All haYe
been carried, but not until after long and protracted
discussions and delay, not until the public mind was
awakened as to their utility and fitness. I am n°t
surprised, therefore, at the number of these ghosts,
as
my Noble and Learned Friend says ; for I know tee?
will be one day or another called into actual enibod,"
ment. I now come to make a few observations or°
the actual legislation of this session, and I must here saf
that my Noble Friend in his catalogue has omitted
great deal of that which has been done, in order to show
what has not. Many measures which, though 11(4
exciting great discussion, nor provoking long speech!.
upon one side or the other, are yet of great intrinsic
importance, and may be calculated in a great degree to
promote the happiness of the Queen's subjects. In this
very session some such measures have been pasB„
Most valuable and useful changes have been wad
during the present session in the law of Scotland. Theref
have been three Bills—the Bill for the transference °
land, the Bill relating to the service of heirs, and the
Bill relating to burgage tenure. All these Bills aPPg
to Scotland, and are unquestionably calculated to ben! ;
that portion of the empire. The Noble Marquis then wefif
on to say that he entertained a confident belt!
that the loans advanced to Ireland would be repaid---111
fact, they were in the course of being repaid. Th:
Noble and Learned Lord accused them with having done
little during the session. Why they had proposed 54
carried a B it for the importation of corn, a Bill relatieg
to the navigation-laws, a Bill respecting brewing frfa
sugar, and distilling from sugar. The Noble and Learn,,
Lord called these merely temporary Bills, but they we'i
brought forward for the purpose of meeting a great anil
pressing emergency, although they did partake of oc,
a character. But they had also passed measures of WI,
permanent public importance: He should oppose

motion.
Lord BROUGIIAM replied, and stated that he did not
undervalue the temporary measures of the Govereni.en.,t
lie considered that the Government had been dencic"
in permanent measures of great public importance.
The motion was then negatived without a division.
Several Bills were advanced a stage, and their lA'',
ships adjourned shortly after Eight o'Clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 20.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Three o'clock.
LORDS' AMENDMENTS.
The Lords' amendments to the following Bing wero
considered and agreed to:—
Ilt
Birkenhead (Commissioners) Dock Acts Amem'al° f
(Construction of New Docks and Alteration °
Culvert).
Birkenhead Commissioners Docks Acts Amendment (0
to Construction of Sea Wall along Wallasey Pool):no
Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midlands JallOw
Railway Deviations.
Royston and Hitchin Railway (Sale or Lease).
THIRD READINGS.
--sea:
The following Bills were read a third time and pa! .0
—Dean and Chapter of Westminster's Estate--"
Hospital (Newcastle) Estate—Passingham's
Mr. REDHEAD YORKE presented a petition
a person employed under Dr. Reid, praying for the p!.;:ii
duction of certain documents relating to the vend's°
of the New Houses of Parliament.
Mr. WAKLEY presented a petition from PO"
toDr
praying for the repeal of the Septennial Act.
TRINIDAD.

In reply to a question from Mr. HUME,
Mr. HAWES stated that instructions bad beenieebojis
out to Trinidad, directing that the island shall° tr
partitioned out into districts, with the view of e"
here
blishiug municipal government, which might Ts!
after become a foundation for the erection of a Gene
Legislative Assembly.
THE BIBLE IN MADRAS.
In reply to a question from Sir R. 11. INGLIS, go.
Sir J. C. HOBEIOUSE intimated that the Home
tbe
vernment did not approve of the order issued Ib.,
Governor of Madras, discountenancing the use ot.;,
Bible in a new class recently introduced into the ud,
versity of Madras, the attendance on which W 55 r-
feetly voluntary. Asred
On the motion of Mr. HUME, returns were or-- of
to be laid before the House relating to the cultivatioebet
cotton in India ; and also returns relating to the 01/3tile
of resident and non-resident clergymen belonging L°
Church of England.
IMPORTATIONS FROM IRELAND. ere
On the motion of Mr. GROGAN, returns °the
ordered showing the quantities of Grain (specifyhlipto
different kinds), and of Flour or Meal importe,cl
Ireland, from the let day of September, 1846, to tije,;oo
day of July, 1847, showing the number and deseriProg
of live stock, the quantities of cured provisions °lire.
kinds, of butter, poultry, and eggs imported intnwor
land during the same period; and showing theitlege
titles of cured provisions, of butter, poultry, an°
exported from Ireland during the same period.
THE DOCKYARD CORPS.
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In reply to a question fromMr, HINDLEY, dock'
Mr. WARD stated that the entries into the
yard corps were purely voluntary.
COLLIERY EXPLOSION AT WIGAll• •

In reply to a question from Mr. HINDLEY, dale
Sir G. GREY stated that the reason no officer, "anest
Government was in attendance at the coroner's ob,„10,
on the sufferers from the late lamentable colliery el,,rcro
sion at Wigan, was because it took place before t_.l T
was time to instruct an officer to attend. An inqr
however, had been instituted into the matter by a be to
of local magistrates, and those magistrates had com°,„
the conclusion that the explosion was the result of 0'
lessness on the part of the workmen.
EDUCATION IN THE ARMY. • bi
Sir R. H. INGLIS said he wished to ask the 140%
Hon. Gentleman the Secretary-at-War a question relatijt
to the schools and places of worship in the argil. ro.
report had reached him that it was intended to lip
priate a room in every barracks for the instruction °wo
children of soldiers belonging to the three denoulLottircb
of religion recognised in the army, namely, the ISta of
of England, the Church of Scotland, and the Chtl'"roota
Rome ; and that it was further intended to use such ed to
as a place of worship on the Sabbath. Ho wisustber
ask whether such report was true ; and if so, Id atli
the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary-at-War h
torjo
objection to lay the order issued by the Horse fi
on the subject before the House ? Iforts
Mr. FOX MAULE said the House would be oce
that his Right Hon. Friend who preceded him illn°oip
turned his attention to the improvement of edueat'idioto
the army, not only of the children, but of the On in
too ; and since he (Mr. Fox Maule) had betide,
office he had endeavoured to carry out tben.e
of his Honourable putt Friend. For that Pii.schi
room had been set apart in all the beell
throughout the country, and schoolmasters bads not
provided for the education of the army, but it win the
intended to use such rooms as places of worshiP °
Sabbath.—(Hear, hear.)
COAST FISHERIES.
Captain PECHELL asked the Secretary for t-beer o•
miralty if it was intended to increase the nuT,
cruisers on the coast of Sussex, so as to prevent v office
gressions of the French fishermen upon the rights
English in that neighbourhood. ,tips
Mr. WARD said the subject had excited the at'eolott
of the Government. Differences were found t° ,ides•
though faults were, on inquiry, discovered on both fro
In order, however, to prevent those differences wet
becoming serious, some intervention would take P
so as to secure the rights of all parties. trIA
THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER AND RA-
COMPANIEr

Mr. HUDSON gave notice, that to-morrow he wet.
ask whether the Government had given their sane:
of
to the course taken by the Chancellor of the Doe",•;yrt
Lancaster of asking from railway companies whale to
price he chose for land required by them belong,tiftieli
the duchy, and of permitting them to take only
quantities as he might determine.
ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSIONERS. to
Mr. HORSDIAN wished to put a question relatif°oy
the powers vested in the Ecclesiastical Commission is,
It had been rumoured that the Ecclesiastical Corsl
sioners were about to take the tithes of a rector9floe
certain diocese, and add them to the revenue6rtishoP
bishopric, the reason for so doing being that the tt.oo be
was also the rector of the parish. The quesl;fl ss in
wished to put was, whether, if such a scheme d the/
contemplation, the Government would recommenoil ?
it should receive the sanction of the Queen in Cetitietaali
Sir G. GREY, in consequence of the Hon. Gerl:to ;
oLea
having communicated to him the alleged circoul-
of this case, had made inquiry into the matter'itt the
rectory (the name of which we did not hear) iteir 01°
Bishopric of Peterborough. It was a case in
Ecclesiastical Commissioners had no jurisdictioonoted
ever ; and he might state, as to the living being td ti
to the bishopric, that no proposition of the I'
been laid before the Ecclesiastical Commissioners.
ABUSES OF THE POST-OFFIa" der the
Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE then rose to bring tripbeq
consideration of the House the petition c" noce!„
Grapes, complaining of his dismissal from Lhen-ours,"„,.
letter-carrier in the Post-office. The 11°",d `—t
Gentleman said Grapes was not dismiss
incompetency, because it was admitted on all 120,b, sera'
Grapes was one of the most efficient carriers in: traced
vice. The true reason of his dismissal was to "-uses
to his having been instrumental in correcting a° art °
the Post-office, and exposing fraud on the Ppiree-
Messrs. Kelly in reference to the "Post-office•nto the
tory." A preliminary inquiry had been madeick the
case of Mr. Grapes, both by Mr. reac° r°sl
solicitor to the Post-office, and 01° ourse °
master-General, but throughout the whole °
To
those inquiries Grapes was not allowed to he b°6 ed on,Ord
show that Grapes was an injured man, he Iro would
mention that Kelly had been heard to say that of of tb:
give a 1,000/. if he could- place Grapes at the kri',7 was -
Old Bailey, and he (Mr. Duncombe) thought the
disgrace to the Government that they should ‘i.ow 011‘
servants of the public to be made t'GrapeS
of, and insulted by, Kelly in this way
for ft Pe;
had been connected with the Post-office of
riod of seven years, and during the Wholeiconciecii
time no charge or pretence of a charge of Enici by "d
Fad been made aga'nst him, and it was allowv
parties connected with the Post-offico that the
invariably discharged the duties of his office _vvroirte I°.
utmost attention and efficiency. It was, therv_A '013:
bad that, because he had acted fearlessly 51.'"ublio
yb
ein
dismissedthe disc discharge
h' eel shouldeet f°ulgme
should move that an humble address be pree, clot' insti-
her Majesty, praying her Majesty to be ple9s hegn)
tote an inqiury into the whole !Batten-01W.
office authorities, and prayed the lion. Mein"'
Mr. PARKER vindicated the conduct of emr
,for
Finsbury not to press his motion for inquiry
of
ehiosffidcuetiebset?ietlhasie, aced hi
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PASSENGER ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
On the report of the Committee appointel to conferl
'With the Lords on the subject of amendment on this till
heir g brought up,
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK complained that her
aajesty's Government had been guilty of brea:h of cona••
Pact, in allowing the amendments which he introduced
Mt° the Bill to be struck out by the Lords.
Iltr. HAWES denied that the Government had corn
rcitted any breach of compact whatever, because
ththere was no compact made with reference to
e clauses that had been struck out. The compact re-
lated to the clause providing for surveys, and in reference
-to that clause the compact had been most religiously
kellt. But how was it the Noble Lord did not object to
the Lords' amendments before ? They w,:re printed
in tion extenso With the votes, and in answer to a ques-
from the Right Honourable Gentleman the
mfr for the University of Cambridge, he (Mr.
laavres) stated that these amendments entirely annulled
the clauses introduced by the Noble Lord. The Noble
lelq, however, ,did not appear at the proper time to
resist these amendments, and it must be evident to the
Ileuse that the Noble Lord could not do so now.
After a few words from Mr. BROWNE,
XI: HUDSON :said he was surprised to hear what
had fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman, who said
ljthere had been no breach of compact in this instance.
e contended that there had been a breach of faith.
-the Government agreed to the introduction of the
clauses of his Noble Friend, and it was inconsistent with
the reputation which the Right Hon. Gentleman the
Chancellor of the Exchequer possessed for honour and
snowed
in matters of this nature to hive
gatowed the clauses to be struck out.—(Hear.)
Sir R. H. INGLIS said he perfectly recollected
that at the time his Noble Friend proposed the introduc-
Lice a these clauses he was prepared to carry
efeat
"'en' bY a majority; and to obviate the possibility of
it d, the Right Honourable Gentleman the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer consented to the introduction
if
the clauses. So far then there was a compact entered
into, but he could not consent to the proposition that it
bad been broken through because the Lords had de-
clined to adopt it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
only clause he pledged himself to was the one proposed
_e, the Noble Lord, providing that in all cases a survey
should take place to ascertain the seaworthiness of
Is proposing to carry out emigrants.
Friendl,e GEORGE BENTINCK said his Right Hon.
was perfectly correct in what he stated; but he
°egged to remind his Right Hon. Friend that on a later
dnd°4344l both himself and the Hon. Gentleman the
er-Secretary for the Colonies agreed to the intro-
e_ tion of the other clause relating to the manning of
rnigrant ships, and he had therefore a perfect right to
complain of a breach of compact on the part of the Go-
vernment.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HAWES readily admitted that he consented
tout the introduction of the second clause, but never
uponi rled, nor did he, in fact, pledge himself to insist
its adoption by the Lords.
stand. tiENLEy- said he, for one, certainly did under-
liable .14 at an arrangement was come to between the
tiatr
an I for °thrdeirangdoitehge Government to render it unneces-
a to to a division on either of the clauses,
estersd into.—
that extent there was undoubtedly a compact
(Hear, hear.)
The amendments were then agreed to.
A POOR-LAW ADMINISTRATION BILL.
„.-`1- conference was held with the Lords relating to the
amendments their Lordships had introduced into the
°or law Administration Bill. On the return of the
11141:lagers on the part of the Commons,
0 Sir G-• GREY informed the House that the managers
I.:lth° part of the Commons had left a copy of the
With
why the Commons objected to the amendments
managers on the part of the Lords.
Mr, POST- OFFICE A BUSES.
t,,ne PRO,TtIEROE then resumed the debate on Mr.
ooloo's motion. He regretted that there was no
._pressntative of the Post-office in that house to meet
liens: collfElr'o. of abuse. He had full confidence in the
Ir., _
ev Justice entertained by the Post office authorities,
ri';':ru
.ortheless he thought they would have acted with
e eecorom b ,they..
"hissed the au simply suspended, and not clis-
pAss..r Grapes from his office of letter-carrier.
Another conGfe
subject
of this Bill.
ErertneeACT AMENDMENT BILL.
vvas held with the Lords on the
the
On the return of the Managers on
Ilan of the r,_
r. 1.1 A
A__ kdenimons,
arnoloonos
.izhal vvletftSareported that the managers of the' Corn-
eePy of the objections to the Lords'
a ents with the managers of the Lords.
Mr. ruPOST-OFFICE ABUSES.
charges ME then resumed this debate. He said if the
auther,.Preferred by Grapes against the Post•office
punished foe
were correct, he ought to be rewarded, and not
for the part he had taken in defending the
Mteresets of th Public. On a former occasion he
brat' fight tittle g_,, under the consideration of the House the
psosedulhaerean who_.had been dismissed for having ex-
did a Plunderin stem of his superiors, and it
appear to ride g
lio..- • r ins to
toe
extremely dangerous for that for Z. tO allow men to be quietly punished in this way
After
a great public service.
the dliaiter it few
observations from several Hon. Members,
otion was withdrawn.
After.. o. few
Jar. viol, vvords from Sir DE LACY EVANS,
one wh. e ATT said the case of the man Grapes was
ich had
~_
oqueney
della peculiar claims. He had exposed the
of public servants engaged in conducting an
severtant public establishment, and as Grapes had
Ito had a fair trial, he should certainly support the
had 1131 for inquiry. Until recently, his constituents
receiv been in the habit of going to the post-office to
to
.... e their letters, but latterly they had been compelled
leY4Y a guinea a year to the postmaster for this privi-
-441;0„,ge) or a delay of upwards of an hour and a half took
1 in the delivery of the letters.—(Hear, hear.)
lost 5 CEIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
ha 1/Aster-General had had before him this case, and
e
,whatilly investigated it, and he, for one, could not se
tst ter, ther inquiry into, the matter was necessateryp. He
ress
his , i!firefore, request his Hon. Friend not
Lkotion for inquiry
1,1-r• T. DUNCOM.RE replied. He denied that any
Grapes
had
been instituted into this case, nor had
group 11PI' Up to this moment, been furnished with the
tgfti"s of his dismissal. If there were any charges
nat Grapes, he would undertake to prove that they
lioere tr Grapes,
diali u -r" LIP, and totally without foundation. Until
'. 3 had been usual to post up the orders for the
vtesal of any servant of the Post-office, but no notice
oa.tever had been posted of Grapes's dismissal ; and
ligairl, he repeated, that this man had. been dismissed to
svgrhltetifY the malice and vindictive feelings of Mr. Kelly,
engaged one of the greatest tyrants that had ever been
in the public service.--(Hear hear.)
The motion was then withdrawn.
Ur DTI STATE OF SINDE.
lie • —,-,ME then rose to call the attention of the
ask use to the state of the province of Sinde, and to
what its future Government was to be ; whether,
after four
under
m years'e peaceful occupation, it was to be placed
the sa Government as the other territories
der the East
India Company ; or whether it was to
+Govern
become a Queen's colony, or to remain under a Military
Queens
? At present, he said, the state of Sindo
Was most unsatisfactory It was a source of great ex-
Pence to the country ()Win to e gre at militar y force
that had to be
maintained thg ere,th while, if a more liberal
and enlightened policy were pursued in. Sinde,
it •
Might be rendered a most important
adjunct to our ' Indian Empire. It ought
to be delivered up to the natives who were entitled to it,
nnd he wanted to know if her Majest's Government
Were prepared to take
that course, in y
order that Sinde
fight be placed under the control of a civil Government.
Sir J. C. HOBIIOUSE said the House was ac-
quainted with the way in which Sinde had been attached
to India. It was perfectly true that the Government
Was essentially military, and its affairs had hitherto
administered by military men. There could be no
dull t, however, that the Governor of Sinde had faith-
fy and efficiently performed his duties. The system
of Government might be bad, but there could be no
doubt that great sreiit was due to General Napier for
the skilful manner in which he had mitigated some of
the evils of that system.—c Hear, hear.) He was quite
ready to admit that the maintenance of that military go-
vernment was of great expense to this country, but it
Was quite impossible to have avoided that expense. The
inhabitants were a turbulent people, and it had been found
necessary to maintain this great force to keep them in
check. For the last three years, however, the
people had been most peaceable (Hear),---and
during that period General Napier had done
much for the improvement of Sinde by the construction
of canals, roads, &c. Still he must assure the Hon.
Gentleman the Member for Montrose, that both in the
opinion of the Indian Government and of her Majesty's
Government, it was not advisable that this mode of go-
vernment at present adopted in Sinde should last, but
the time had not yet arrived when the change could be
„Made- With respect to the opinion expressed by the
43, 'on. Gentleman, of the expediency of restoring Sinde,
Ile must confess that he did not agree with him in that
respect. Many great public writers entertained the same
'dew as his Hen. Friend, and still he could not help
doubting whether, if such an arrangement as that sug-
gested by the Hon. Gentleman were carried out, it would
be at all serviceable to, or consistent with, the peace and
prosperity of our Indian empire.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir R. H. INGLIS said there could be no question
Whatever that the native princes of Sinde had been of
great service to this country, in protecting her Indian
empire from outrage and attack, and if it were only on
that consideration alone, they ought to look forward to
the
improvement and restoration of the country to the
Natives, who were its rightful possessors —(Hear, hear.)
Al After, a few words from Mr. HUME the subject
eropp

FAMINE IN IRELAND.
BROTHER TON then moved an Address to her
thaestY, that she will be graciously pleased to direct
fr at there be laid before this House a copy of the letter
el the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to her
ier_ittaunic Majesty's Minister at Washington, acknow-
ledging the donation in food and money of the Legis-
tl'llro and citizens of the United States of America for
tLLE, relief of the famine in Ireland. Great credit, he
i„uought, was due to America for the generous manner
te'yvhich she had come forward vuluntarily to assist in
te7ing the recent distress and sufferings of Ireland.
th° sooner did accounts reach them of the prevalence of
distress than meetings were held in every part of the
"untry to commiserate the sufferings of the Irish
13,,e,Ve, and most munificent sums were voluntarily sub-
,,`",hed for their relief. Now he conceived that they
ellui do no less than give expression to those grateful
6
in° Which were felt both in this country and in Ire-
rd towards America, for the liberal manner in which.
had come forward to assist in alleviating the suffer-
gxst of the Irish people.
eo 33ROWNE seconded the motion, and in doing
• tior,-,?°old not do otherwise than express his ad!nira;
tovvr qympathie-, the Anwrica,i3
ds Ireland. and the zeal and liberality with which
"Y had
the,. responded to the call made upon them to lend
aid in mitigating the distress of Ireland.

Lord PALMERSTON had great pleasure in aupport-
ing the motion of his Hon. Friend, for not only were
the supplies from America large and liberal in amount,
but the manner in which they were forwarded was most
I generous. Such acts as these he could not help thinking
were highly calculated to cement the friendship which
subsisted between the two nations, and he trusted it
would be a long timo indeed before the prevailing good
feeling would be interrupted.
Lord MORPETH must also bear his testimony to
the liberality and generosity which America had dis-
played towards Ireland during her time of tribulation,
and he was not sorry that before the close of the session
effect was given to the gratitude of this nation within
the walls of that House.—(Hear, hear.)
The motion was then agreed to.
CASE OF LIEUTENANT-COLONEL 711UNN.
Mr. STUART WORTLEY moved for copies of all
memorials or petitions presented by the late Lieutenant-
Colonel Munn, formerly of the 14th and afterwards of
the 27th Regiment of Native Infantry in India, or by
Mrs. Harriet Munn, his widow, to the Board of Direct-
ors of the East India Company, or the President of the
Board of Control, complaining of deprival of his just
promotion in the Indian army, and the loss of the pay
attached to his rightful rank, and the answers thereto, as
well as of any order or orders issued by the Commander
in Chief or the Governor-General of India, in the
month of May, 1824, for the division of the said 14th
Regiment, and the regulation of the promotion to take
place in such division.
Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said whatever injury had
been inflicted upon Lieutenant-Colonel Munn arose from
a general arrangement in the service; but still he had no
objection to agree to the return.
The motion was then agreed to.
BRANDING DESERTERS.
Mr. numE moved for a return of the number of sol•
diers of her Majesty's land forces, cavalry and infantry,
that have been marked as deserters, stating the number
in each regiment, in each of the three last years. Also,
a copy of any general orders by the Commander of the
Forces respecting branding, and now in force. Similar
return for the marine forces (if any). Similar return for
the navy (if any). He thought it was a disgrace to the
country that men should be marked like beasts, and the
sooner the practice was put an end to the better.
Mr. FOX MAULE had no objection to the return.
The branding complained of could only be done with the
sanction of a court martial. The branding was but sel-
dom resorted to, and when it was, it inflicted no physical
pain upon the deserter, for the process was simply tat-
toeing him on the arm with the letter D.
The motion was then agreed to.
THE RAJA OF SATTARA.

Mr. HUME moved for copies of all correspondence
during 1838 and 1839, between the Government of
Bombay and Captain Cogan, relative to the affairs of
the Baja of Sattara, together with copies of any com-
munications, minutes, or opinions of the Government of
Bombay, relating thereto. Of a letter from Captain
Cogan to Sir John Hobhouse, dated January, 1840,
with copies of the papers accompanying the said letter;
also, copy of the reply to the said letter. Of a letter
from Captain Cogan to William Cabell, Esq., Secretary
to the Board of Commissioners fur the Affairs of India,
dated the 4th day of February, 1840, together with
the reply thereto. Of a letter from Lord Palmer-
ston to Captain Cogan, dated the 28th day of
September 1808. Of a letter from Captain Cogan to
Lord Palmerston, dated , together with an accom-
panying copy of a communication from the Imaun of
Muscat, empowering Captain Cogan to act as the politi-
cal agent of his Highness in England. Of Lord Pal-
merston's reply thereto. Of a letter from Captain Cogan
to John Baekhouse, Esq., Under Secretary of State in
the Foreign Department, dated the 15th day of January,
1840. And, of a letter from Lord Palmerston to Captain
Cogan, dated the 28th day of March, 1840.
Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE had no objection whatever to
give his Hon. Friend the papers, but he must, at the
same time add, that he was quite unconscious of any
injury ever having been done to Captain Cogan.
After a few words from Mr. WAKLEY and Lord PAL-
MERSTON,

The motion was agreed to.
SURVEY OF INDIA.

On the motion of Mr. HUME, full and detailed re-
ports were ordered of the extent and nature of the ope-
rations and of the expenditure connected with the grand
trigonometrical survey of India, and of the grand trian-
gulation thereof, for the measurements of the arcs of the
meridian, from the year the first base was measured to
the latest date. Also, reports of the surveys, whether
general, revenue, or military, which have hitherto been
carried on, completed, or are in progress, specifying
the divisions or portions of India ; also, the num-
ber and what sheets of the grand Atlas have been
completed, and engraved, with the cost thereof to the
Government, and the selling price per sheet to the pub-
lic, and what progress the remaining portions of the
Atlas are in ; of the nature of the information collected
in connexion with the grand survey, and with the de-
tailed surveys of India, and a list of all the memoirs, and
their contents, sent iu ; and, statements to illustrate the
nature of the different great divisions and the smaller
districts or departments thereof, into which India within
the line of the Indus is divided, for political, civil, re-
venue, judicial, and military purposes, exhibiting the
areas, population, and nature of productions thereof ;
and showing the relation and the authority under which
they stand to the East India Company, whether im-
mediately subordinate to and under the direct rule, or
are tributary, protected, subsidiary, or independent.
UNIFORM PENNY RECEIPT STAMP.

Mr. BROTHERTON called the attention of the
House to the petition of W. M. Christy, and others (pre-
sented 14th May), relative to an uniform penny receipt
stamp. He thought if a penny receipt stamp was
adopted, it would induce business habits among the
people, and be productive to the Exchequer. He moved
that a Select Committee be appointed to investigate the
subject.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
however desirable the reduction in the tax might be, ho
was afraid the state of the revenue would not permit it
at present ; and he hoped the Hon. Gentleman would
withdraw his motion.
The motion was then, by leave, withdrawn.
COMPARATIVE RECEIPTS OF REVENUE.
Lord G. BENTINCK moved for returns, showing
the comparative receipts of revenue in the years ending
the sth day of January 1842 and 1847, from those items
on whicl reductions of duty have and have not in the
interim taken place, and distinguishing any increase of
revenue from the last alteration of the sugar duties. He
then proceeded to say that he should not dwell upon this
motion, which he believed would be unopposed, but
there were certain statements made, in what he might
term a State paper—(Laughter)—which had been re-
cently issued by Sir Robert Peel, in the shape of an
address to the electors of Tamworth, that made it ne-
cessary for him to occupy for a short time the attention
of the House. The Noble Lord then entered into a
series of calculations, to show how erroneous was the
statement of thy Right Honourable Baronet, and that
instead of the recent alterations in the tariff being
productive of no loss to the revenue, or the
the commerce of the country, the revenue had lost no
less a sum than four millions ou those articles, the duties
on which had been reduced, and there had been no in-
crease in their consumption; while, strange to say, the
duties on those articles which he had not interfered
with had been productive of a large increase to the re-
venue. Now if the Right Hon. Baronet had dealt with
the remaining portion of the revenue as he did with the
two ninths which embraced the articles on which the
duty was reduced, the result would have been that up-
wards of twenty millions would have been lost to the
revenue. He thought it right to draw attention to this
document, lest it might go forth to the country that
these sentiments were correct, and that erroneous ideas
might thereby be propagated at the ensuing election on
the subject of free-trade.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not
object to the returns. He confessed he was not prepared
to hear such a long dissertation on the subject at this
period of the session. He trusted, however, that there
would be an increase in the revenue of those articles, the
duties on which had been reduced, and much less on
those the duties on which had been altogether repealed.
—(Laughter.) And secondly, he thought that the bad
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that which he had directed against the doctrines
Mr. BANKES was of opinion _ the Noble Lord
had fully made out his case, and the fact- to which he
had drawn attention respecting the increase in these ar-
ticles, the duties on which had not been touched, fully
confirmed the accuracy of what he had advanced.
Mr. GOULBURN would not make any observation
on the Noble Lord's statement,ie but when the returns
moved for were on the table it would be at once seen
whether his calculations and the inferences he drew from
them w
Aftere rae
few c or rect.
remarks from Mr. WILLIAMS,
clagFreedte.
Theß motionBISHOPRIC
IRIVSC'as
MANCHESTER,. &c. BILL.

The report on this Bill was brought up and received.
Mr. P. BORTHWICK thought it would be a very
great improvement on the Bill if the latter part of the
2d clause was omitted, and that the new bishop should
be permanently excluded from Parliament. He hoped
the Noble Lord would take that point into consideration,
otherwise he would feel it to be his duty to call the at-
tention of the House to the subfect on the third reading.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that he had given the subject
a good deal of consideration, and he was of opinion that
the course proposed in the Bill was the most eligible one
that could be adopted. At all events, he could not assent
to the exclusion referred to by the Honourable Gentle-
man.

Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN agreed with the Noble
Lord, and considered that the course proposed to be
adopted in the Bill was the best under the circum-
stances.

Sir J. GRAHAM had deliberately, carefully, and
anxiously considered the Bill, and though he was de-
termined to give no further opposition to its progress,
he was desirous to take that opportunity of saying, that
on the third reading of the Bill he would state his rea-
sons for voting against it.
Mr. HENLEY protested against the Bill, and took
that opportunity of doing so as he would not be i❑ the
House to-morrow (Wednesday), when it would be read a
third time.

Mr. WAKLEY considered that the rotatory principle
in the Bill was the only redeeming point which it
had, for it loosened the fixity which was generally
supposed to belong to the privileges of the existing
bishops. One of those privileges .was a seat in the
House of Lords; but, by this Bill, the privilege in this
respect of one of the oldest bishoprics in the kingdom
must be laid in abeyance. This to him was most satis
!ilia lie IN :AIM not be s,)rry to see the whole
episcopal body removed from Parliament altogether; nor
did he think that the interests of religion nor of the
Country would sustain any Was by Duct; it proceeding.

If the Noble Lord had any surplus Church funds at his
disposal, he thought they would be much better expended
in parochial clergy than by creating new bishops.
The Bill was then ordered to be read a third time to-
morrow.