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hear.) • Russia had violated the Treat 3 of Vienna on
that occasion, and again in 1836 with regard to Cra-
cow. The public ought to be satisfied that the I3ritish
Government had done all in its power to obtain justice
for Cracow. It was their duty to support the ittde-
pendence of every State which was guaranteed by the
Treaty of Vienna.--( Hear.) He deprecated war as
much as any man, yet thought the Government ought to
protest in the strongest manner against this violation
of treaties ; but the fearful silence which had been'
observed on this subject, and the refusal to produce
the correspondence, gave occasion to leer that proper
exertions had not been used in support of the weak
and the oppressed.—( Hear, hear.) The residence of
a British Consul at Ctacow was of the utmost im-
portance, and he regretted that no steps had been taken
to prevent a violation of the most sacred treaties.
Mr. COLQUHOUN thought that if a wise course
of conduct had been pursued from the first with regard
to this affair, we should not now have bt en placed in
our present unpleasant situation. It Was humiliating to
find that any circumstances should have occurred to
prevent the Noble Lord front fulfilling his intention
of sending a Consul to Cracow, which he had stated was
most important for the dignity and interest of the

country. The Noble Lord had ;aid that our commercial

interests had not suffered in consequence of the nona
residence of a Consul at Cracow, and that our trade
with that place was not of importance. Now, be held
in his hand a statement of the merchants and bankers
of the city of London interested in that commerce,
which stated that that trade which had been progressing
for sixteen years, had, in consequence of the
occupation of Cracow, been destroyed. Such
was the representation of the merchants interested in
the subject. The freedom of Cracow had been
guaranteed by treaty, and now it was completel3
destroyed. Cracow was garrisoned by foreign troops,
and a foreign police. Her Assembly was destroyed,
and her President was a nullity.
Lord ELIOT had wished some one had risen
to support the views of the Noble Lord, whose speech
had been so ably answered by the Right Hon. Baronet.
The statement was so far satisfactory that it appeared
the occupation would not be prolonged further than
was necessary for the settlement of the internal affairs
of Cracow, but it should be recollected that occupation
had already lasted four years, ostensibly for that pur-
pose. It was desirable not only that the troops of the
Powers should evacuate the territory of Cracow, but
that the free force of Government should be restored,
and that they should be rendered perfectly independent.
Martin, in his description of the States of Europe, had
ranked Cracow as one .of the Sovereign States,
and as completely independent as Prussia itself. There-
fore its occupation was a most flagrant violation of the
ti2llt., of nations, and, as ought to
inanly protested against. The Noble Lord bad „t,,ted
that cireutnitaht c, had prevented Lis appointinet4
Consul to Cr.lcow, and that had he done so, recourse
would have been had to stratagem to prevent his resid-
ing at Cracow, and that the Senate would have been
forced by the three Powers to refuse him his exequatur.
He could not believe that such would have been the
case ; and, had it been so, still he thought we were
bound to send some diplomatic agent to Cracow. There
were circumstances in which caution became pusilani-
wily, and he trusted the Government 'would never for-
get those liberties to which this country was a guaran
tee. The Noble Lord should feel that it was his duty
not to relax in his efforts to put an end to an occupa-
nation which should never have existed.
Sir H. VERNEY was glad to find that the sense of
the House had been unanimous on the subject then un-
der their consideration. He had never heard a speech
in which either side of the House might so entirely con-
cur as that of the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for
Tamworth. The speech had deprecated the state of
thraldom in which Cracow was held by the protecting
Powers, and on that subject
,all were agreed. The
Noble Lord should therefore feel that in remonstrating
with the Protecting Powers, he would be entirely borne
out by the sense of the House. He trusted that the
Noble Lord would go hand in hand in insisting that the
rights of treaties should be respected.
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ment of Great Britain, dated October, 1839, had been re-
ceived ?

Lord PALMERSTON said that the address had been
received some time ago.

DR. BOWRING.

Colonel SIBTHORP then rose to call the attention
of the House to the returns of the sums paid by the Go-
vernment to Dr. Bowring for services stated to have been
performed by him. The Hon. and Gallant Member pro-
ceeded to say that he did not wish to bring any charge
against Dr. Bowring—his charge was against the Go-
vernment, for having employed that gentleman, and paid
him various sums, and, above all, for having en-
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1839, and during that time he had received, ammaxo—rni
items, the sum of 500/. for a report on our commercial
relations with France, made while he was a Member of
that House. There were various other reports, and among
them was one on Egypt, which had not yet been published.'
Of this he (Col. Stbthorp) complained. As the public
had paid for the expenses of Dr. Buvrring's mission they
were entitled to any benefits which might be derivable
from it. The entire sum paid to Dr. Bowring up to the
present moment amounted to 11,0311. 17s. ; but what was
most objectionable was the part of that sum paid
while that gentleman was a Member of Parliament.
In strict fairness he asked her Majesty's Government,
who ought to be models of impartiality, was it right that
during the short time he had mentioned, the Learned
Gentleman being a Member of the House of Common!,
should have received so much of the public money for his
services to the Government, whilst there were many otl-er
gentlemen not in Parliament, and of course not supporters
of the Government in the House,who would have been happy
to serve their country for a less sum? On the subject of
those estimates lie agreed with the Hen, Member for Kil-
kenny, that it would be much better that they should be
referred to a Select Committee in the early part of the
Session, instead of being brought in at this late period,
when so many Members had gone out of town. Ile hoped
he would have the sepport of the Hon. Member and of
Mr. Robert Gordon, who, before he took office, though
perhaps not before he was looking for it, had expressed
a similar opinion.—( Hear, hear. ) lie would not ob-
ject to the payment of the whole sum asked f•Jr under
the name of the civil contingencies, but he would cer-
tainly vote against that portion which referred to the
sums already paid to Dr. Bowring. The money had been
paid, and Holdfast was a good dog.—( Laughter.) It was his
intention at another time to move that no Member of
that House should be employed by her Majesty's Govern-
ment on any foreign mission, or be paid salary in
'any oth:er way, unless he be a person holding office
to which he had been appointed since his 'election to
this House. He hoped the Noble Lord at the..head of
the Foreign Department would explain how far the Reports
for which the money had been paid had been acted
upon ? and he hoped to be informed, before the House
voted such a sum as 130,0001. for civil contingencies, whe-
ther any portion of that sum was to be appropriated to the
payment of Dr. John Bowring for similar services in
future? In the Committee he would, he repeated, vote
against so much of the grant as was to be so applied.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that at the com-
mencement of the Hon. Gentleman's speech he said that
he had been recommended by his friends on the opposite side
of the House to make his objections in the Committee of
Supply, .and the Hon. Member had shown that the advice
was correct, by concluding his speech with an intimation
that he would act upon it.--( Hear, hear.) It was there-
fore to be regretted that the Hon. Gentleman had taken
up the time of the House before the occasion arrived when
the whole subject would be gone fully into. As that op-
portunity w ,uld occur in the Committee, he ( Lord John
Russell) would not occupy the House at present by going
further into the subject. But he begged to remind Hon.
Gentlemen, that as the Friday night, which was fixed for
the Committee of Supply, bad been given up for another
purpose, there should be no obstruction offered to go on
with those portions of the estimates which were necessary
for the public service.—( Hear, hear.)

Afte; a few words froin Mr. FIERIES and Mr. GLAD-
sroNE, which, on account of the noise in the House, were
not distinctly heard in the Gallery, the House went into
Committee of Supply.
NAVY ESTIMATES.

Mr. M. O'FE RR AL L rose to move the remainder of
the Navy Estimates. In the first item of 101,7481 , for
wages, Szo., for 2,000 additional men, there was included
a sum of 48,000/. for increased pay of officers, according
to the recommendation of the Naval and Military Com-
mission, and 26,000/. for steam vessels.
Captain PE CHE LL expressed his satisfaction that the
recommendation of the Commissioners had been so far
acted upon; but he regretted that nothing had been done
for the officers on half-pay. He thought the present was
a good opportunity for stating whether the opinions of the
Admiralty were the same as those expressed by the naval
officers in that House ? He wished to know, also, whe-
ther there was any increase in the amount of the num-
ber of boys? He was anxious, also, to know how the
Secretary accounted for the number of mates ? He de-
manded an estimate for four hundred and sixty-nine mates,
whereas with returns made in February the number was
387. He was glad there was this increase, but he wanted
to know where that increase came from. He could not
but think as there was a difference between the supple-
mentary estimate and the return, that there must be some
error, and he was desirous of knowing whether or not
that was the case. He also wished to know whether there
was any provision for the half-pay to the Secretaries of
the Commander in Chief and the Admirals.

Sir G. CLERK was not desirous of offering any oppo-
sition to the addition of the Navy Estimates, but he wished
to know whether any application had been made to the
Queen in Council, stating that more men were necessary.
Mr. MORE O'FERR4LL understaod that such an
application had been made, but he could not speak posi-
tively upon that point as he had but just returned to town.
After a few words from Mr. MORE O'FERRALL and Sir
G. CLERK, the vote was withdrawn.

'Sir R. PEEL then proposed 29,9531. be granted to
her Majesty for defraying the expenses of the British
Museum up to Lady-day 1841.
Mr. HAWES €id not object to the grant, although
large, but he thought the public were entitled to th ut-
most benefit for the grant. The holidays at the Museum
should not be on those days of public thanksgiving, whe❑
the public were most abroad. For instance, on the days
of her Majesty's marriage and the coronation, the Museum
was shut—days, in his opinion, on wh'ch, above all other
days, it ought to have been open. Complaints had also
been made (Attie King's Library being closed fora twelve

month. He understoed the excuse for that was
that the public created too much dust, but lie
did not think such an excuse was very swis.
factory. Then, as to the subject of casts. Casts im-
porte i from Peris could he purchased at a cheap,,r nee
than they could be bought at the Britiih Museum, and he
thought some Alteration ought tp be made in that respect.
He also thought that the attendance of the two sentinels at
the doors of the Museum might be dispensed eith, and
thus an extin expense, although perhaps small, be avoided.
Mr. .Hallarri, one of the trustees of tee Mu.eum, in his
Constitutional History. stated that nothing could be more
un- English than the presence of sentinels at the doors
of the Museum, and he e Mr. Hawes) thought it was a very
idle and silly display of military authority.
Sir R. PE EL could state that the Tr
ustees had only
one object in slew, to give the greatest accommodation
to the public, consistent with the
preserva•ion of the valu-
able property entrusted to their charge. As to the holi-
days. The whole of the holidays of the Officers of the
British Museum were six days in
.1 inuary, six days in
May, six day
s in September, Ash Wednesday, Good F. i•
day, Christmas Day, and also any special fast or thanks-
giving. day_amounting to very few more then twenty
days in the whole year. Then as to the casts.
They ought not to undertake to give away the public
money by charging too small a sum for casts. They owed
a great obligation to the Treasury, and the public could not
expect them to sell the casts for less than they were worth
With respect to the sentinels he would take care to remind
Mr. Hallam of that pessr.ge in his constitutional history.
but he had not seen that gentleman shudder at :heir pre
sence on entering the Museum —(A laugh.) There could
not be much expense attending the placing a few sentinels
upon an establishment of that kind. However, he would
make inquiry into that, as well as into any other subject to
which his attention might be called. With respect to the
Kings's library it was necessary to complete accurate cata-
logues of the library, and it was impossible to proceed with
the formation of that catalogue without in Solle degree
trespassing on the time of the public ; and as to the dust,
it really was necessary to adopt some precaution, and glass
cases at a considerable expense had been provided for that
purpose, to protect the more valuable works.
Mr. HUME expressed his obligation to the Right
Hon. Baronet for attending to the suggestions he had
made on a former occasions. But it was necessary the
institution should be made as useful as possible. The con-
stitution of the Trustees was by no means satisfactory to
many individuals. He agreed with the Hon. Member for
Lambeth that the Museum was shut on these particular
days on which it ought to be open—namely, public holi-
days. The desire of information and amusement was
gaining ground all over the country. It was true that
there were only twenty-eight days in the year kept by
the officers of the British Museum as holidays; but
then it sheuld be borne in mind, that ;he Institution was
only open to the public three days in the week. He sug-
gested that the Museum should be open to the public
every day in the week instead of three days, as at present.
It was well known that many persons had not a second
day to spend in Lender, and they were
llie, bed csequewTy
v,ry much disappointed. He wished to
whether
to know from the
Rig'nt Hon. Baronet the Mcmber fur j
nom that the sala:y of the Secretary,
Sir
Henry E
been raised from 5001. to 8001. a-year, lie had given up
his situation as Secretary to the Antiquarian Society, and
devoted his whole time to the business of the Museum.

Sir It. PEEL said the British Museum was actually
open five days in the week—three to the public, and t‘ No
to distinguished foreigners and men of science. It V% a
s
his impression that the whole of Sir Henry Ellis's time was
at present devoted to the British Museum ; but he should
make inquiries on the subject.

The vote was then agreed to.
Mr. M A CAUL A Y said the next vote was one for carry-
ing into effect the Naval and Military Commission, rnd
he need hardly say that the Commission contained the
names of some of the most distinguished men in the ser-
vice, including the Duke of Wellington, the Master of the
Ordnanc.., and Sir J. Graham. Under these circumstances
nothing in his mind could justify her Majesty's Govern-
ment in refusing their assent to the recommendations of
that Commission. The whole sum required to meet
the suggestion of the Commission for the improvement and
the encouragement of the army would only amount to
about 30,0001. per annum, and in the course of a few years
that sum would be reduced to about 15,000/. The charge
for the three quarters of the present year would amount to
22,0001., and a greaqart of that sum;would be applied to an
increase of the allowance to old and meritorious officers,
and part to the payment of fees on obtaining commissions,
a system which had been found extremely inconvenient in
particular cases, and a part to the increase of the pay of
adjutants.

After a few words from Sir A. DALRYMPLE,
Mr. HUME said that no information had been given to
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have the why and the wherefore.
Mr. MACAULAY said a sum of 15,0001. would be
applied to an increase of the retired full pay of old ani
meritorious officers. A sum of 2,000/. would be applied
as additions to the half-ply-1,5001. full payment of
fees, and the addition to the pay of adjutants would be
about 5,9001 The remainder, in strict coaflomity with the
recommendations of the Committee, could be applied to
the increase of the pay of medical officers.
The vote of 22,0001. to carry into effect the recommen-
dations of the Nasal and Military Committee was then
agreed to.

t with which his Hon. Friend had stated his object he must
j attribute it to that dexteriTin debate on the part of the
Noble Lord, and it was impossible net to admire the man-
ner in which he had passed by the ‘shole gist of the ques-
tion and entered into a discussion of the merits of Dr.
Bowring, which no one, except perhaps his Hon. Friend,
had denied.
Colonel SIB THO IZP—I do not deny Dr. Bowrin:es
merits.
Mr. GOUL BURN sail that those merits had been de-
nied by no one. The case was this. The Government
hal in the coo; se of nine ycara paid a gentleman 11,0001.
for servie s rendered to the country. He was not now
going to discuss the nature of those services or the merits
.1 Dr. Buwring's reports; but duriog the term Dr. Bow-
ring had been a representatve in Parliament, sitting in the
House of Commons, he had been employed by Government
as he had been before and since. He had been receiving
a pecuniary allowance daring the time he had been sitting
in Parliament.—( Hear, hear.) The Act of Anne
hai provided that any person accepting- an office created
since the passing of that Act, and to which a salary was
attached, should be incapacitated from sitting in thAt
House, and that a person accepting an office in being at
that time, should vacate his seat. The Noble Lord had I

argued as if a gentleman holding the same opinions after
the acceptance of office as he did before it, ought not to be
called upon to vacate his scat. But that had nothing to
do with the question, and it was impossible for any person
to receive a salary fr m the Government for any office, and.
nt the same time not to vacate his seat -in Parliament,
without a violation of the laws.—(Loud cheers.) But
the danger was increased tenfold when that
person was paid from a fund of which Parliament had no
knowledge. He had received his salary from a special
Fund, and not a fixed salary, but one varying from one day
to anoth-r, according as the Treasury doled it out. It
was perfectly competent for the Treasury so to regulate
the payment as to make the salary greater or less at the
will of the Government. He was not imputing any thing
to the Government, or anything to Dr. Bowring, but he
was standing up for a great principle. If this were per-
mitted to pass without notice, it would be perfectly com-
petent for an unprincipled Government, bargaining with
an unprincipled person, so to regulate their payments, as
that ht. should receive 1001. a day if he acted in a certain
manner, and 5001 a-day if he did not. It was opening a door
to a most extensive corruption. In 1837, during the discus-
sion of the Ordnance Es'imates, he had taken the liberty of
adverting shortly to the report of Dr. Bowring on Swit-
zerland, and he had said, that if Dr. Bowring was re-
' ceiving payment for that report, it was not a subject that
ought to be lightly passed over. On that occasion, the
then Chancellor of the Exchequer had made this assertion,
and there could be no doubt that be had done so, because
all the various reports of the proceedings of that House
agreed in the reply ; the Chancellor of the Exchequer on
that occasion had said, that with respect to the question
of renfhneration, lie could affirm that no sum whatever
had been received by the Honourable Member fel-
that Report, nor ,would any sum be received by him.
Fir reccirsd a distinct A.S2 IP Ile,: from Mr. .1.5orill:.; Rice
wLe erns then Ch,neciler of the-l':xebkAucr, tL,t, not
bad the Report been prepared without any of
par-
';nent to Dr. Bowring, but, in fact, no payment should be
made.—( Hear, hear.) It appeared, however, that im-
mediately upon the dissolution of Parliament Dr. Bowring
was paid upwards of 6001. for that very Report, but the
system of concealment was still kept up._( Hear, hear.)
A was set down as having been paid to Dr. Al•Grigor
and Dr. Bowring, but the fact was not set down that Dr.
Bowring received 3761. out of that sum for the Report in
question. Lookinr, upon the transaction from the begin-
ning, lie considered it a blot upon Parliament, and he
should not hesitate to give his vote for the motion of his
Hon. Friend.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the Right Hon. Gentleman who spoke last had con-
demned the payment to Dr. I3owring on two grounds—
first, that it was unconstitutional to employ a Member of
that House upon such services with a salary; and second,
that the remuneration had been paid in a secret manner.
With respect. to the first objection he (the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) thought that if it could be shown that
the Government had employed a Member of that House
for the purpose of influencing his vote, it would be impro-
per and unconstitutional. But he did not think that it
had ever been laid down that a Member of that House

was never to be paid for any service whatever.—He (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) thought he could show that
payments had been made to other Members of that House
in cases much stronger than that of Dr. B. The Chair-
man of the Commission of Excise Inquiry (who was still
a Member of that lIouse) had been paid for the duties of
that office whilst he continued to hold his seat in the
House.—.(Hear.) The same had been the case with
Mr. Blackburne. He might be told that these salaries
had been paid out of funds of which Parliament had no
knowledge. But the fact was, that they were paid out
of the Special Service Fund.—( Hear, hear.) Mr.
Fiankland Lewis was paid as the Chairman of the Educa-
tion Commission in Ireland, at the same time that he con-
tinued to hold his seat in that House.—( Cheers.) His
Right Hon. Friend, the Member for Oxford University
(Sir H. Inglis) at this moment received a salary as Chairs
man of a Commission to which he was appointed, whilst
he held a seat in Parliament.—( Hear, hear, and laughter.)
When there was an attempt made to give an unfair ap-
pearance to this case, he asked Gentlemen to look to
what was the first employment of Dr. Bowring.—( Hear,
hear.) Let them see who first employed him.—(Hear,
hear.) He was first employed before the present Go-
vernment came into office—( Hear, hear)—and in porn-
anon of the recommendation of a Committee of that House.
That was upon the inquiry respecting the Excise. He
was subsequently employed in an inquiry respecting the
state of manufactures in France, and upon other .inves-
tigations of the same nature. Was it necessary.
then that the present Government should deprive
him of that employment, because he was a Member of Par-
liament, although he possessed all the requisite informs.
tion and experience ?—( Hear, hear.) He would ask any
man could it be supposed that their continuing to employ
him was intended to influence Isis vote ?—( Hear.) With
respect to the manner iu which he had been paid, there
was nothing of secrecy attempted, at the same time that he
(the Chancellor of the Exchequer) admitted that it wouli
have been better if he bad been paid out of the Civil Con-
tingencies, than out of the Special Service Fund.--( Hear,
hear.) There could be no doubt that Dr. Bowring had
received payment for his services, but it had been discussed
in that House open'v, and no concealment had taken place.
Mr. DISRAELI thought the cases which had been ad-
verted to by the Right Hun. Gentleman were not at all in
point viith the present case. He was always averse to al-
luding to individuals in their absence, but he could not
agree with the statements of the Noble Lord with respect
to Dr. Bowring. He thought that the payments that had
been made to Dr. Bowring could not be defended, and as
to the Learned Gentleman's reports, many parts of
them had been furnished by her Majesty's Consuls,
and others were compilations from German authors.
The Government had endeavoured to cover, not only
Europe, but Asia and Africa with statistical mission.
aries. They had supported a political supporter at home,
and a political interest abroad—that supporter at home
being perhaps an inconvenient one ; and the views he sup-
ported abroad being in all possibility not altogether palat-
able to the Cabinet. Let the House see the inconvenience
that must anise from the employment of—(he did not
use the phrase offensively)—political incendiaries.—( A
"'laugh.) Foreign States must suppose that English Di-
plomatists were not capable of managing the business, or
that it was too insignificant for them to attend to. He
should support the motion of his Hon. and Gallant Friend.
Mr. L A BOUC HERE, considering that the Hon.
Gentleman who had just sat down had come down to the
House, as he stated, to argue this question as a Constitu-
tional question, and not to make a personal attack on Dr.
Bowring, it was very extraordinary that the Hon. Gen..
tleman should have found so many documents in his
pocket to support that laboured attack he had made on
Dr. Bowring.—(Loud cheers and laughter.) If it had
been merely argued as a constitutional question, he should
have been content to have left it upon the speeches
of his Noble Friend the Foreign Secretary, and
his Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer. But
he must say he had never heard any person before express
a low opinion of the labours of Dr. Bowring. They were
not held in low estimation by the commercial world, but it
was believed a great deal of valuable information had been
communicated to the House and the country, and that most
useful results had followed the various employments that
gentleman had undertaken.—(Cheers.) The Report on
the German League contained a great mass of valu-
able information.—(Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member
had said it was casting a reflection on our Diploma-
tists abroad to send out agents for the purpose for
which Dr. Bowring had been employed; but he could
state to the House that America had been sending to a
Court where she had a diplomatic agent, a gentleman on
a special mission connected with commercial objects, be-
cause she supposed it was important for her to obtain
information. He thought that by neglecting the oppor-
tunities of availing themselves of these services and that
information, would be very bad economy ; and he was of
opinion that the expenses of the mission in question by no
means exceeded the importance of the objects that had
been obtained.

Mr. HUME said the introduction of Dr. Bowring's
name originated in an application of the Finance Com-
mittee, of which he (Mr. Hume) was a member, to Mr.
Harris, to consult with the Commissioners of Excise as to
the most eligible person to be employed. Ho thought
Dr. Bowring had been most miserably rewarded—why,
three guineas a day—( Laughter and cheers from the Op.
position benches.) He believed the gi eat offence of Dr.
Bow ring was the giving a faithful report of the various
subjects in which he was engaged. With regard to the
constitutional question of the employment of Dr. Bowring,
he (Mr. flume) was the person who some years ago ob-
jected to the t mploymtnt of Members of that House,
but he had been satisfactorily answered thnt these were
special missions, and were not permanent situations cen-
ferred by the Government. The Hon. and Gallant Mem-
ber who brought forward the question, had very properly
not objected to the fitness of Dr. 13owring for the mission
he was employed upon, and he trusted the motion would
not be persevered in.

Mr. C. HAMILTON would vote for the giant to Dr.
Bowring on the conviction that he was fully entitled to
the compensation claimed.

Sir R. PE EL would remind the House that when the
question was before the House on a former occasion, the
Chancellor of the Exchequer had stated that it was not
his intention to issue any money to Dr. Bowring, and
therefore be could not now consistently vote against his
own declaration.—( Hear, and cheers.) He thought his
Hon. Friend the Member for Maidstone had been hardly
dealt with, in being charged with making a personal attack,
when he had merely questioned the utility and value of Dr,
Bowrinbws Reports. There might be cases in which it
would be necessary to send a party to obtain information
on commercial matters, but, in his opinion, it was an ex-
ceedingly bad one, inasmuch as it must inevitably had the
regular diplomatic agents to neglect that most important
part of their duty ; and he did not think it would be re-
quiring too much of them, in a time of pi ofound peace, to
obtain all the requisite information on commercial matters.
The Hon. Gentleman had stated that what particularly
moved: his indignation was, the deficiency of payment.
R,e411,7 these things hawed the House of Commons—

(Cheers)—and when the Hon. Gentleman stated that his
chic' objection was that the payment was only thr,
guineas a-day, and two shillings a mile in addition t) an-
other payment, he must say that if that appointment wea
made in other times, the Hon. Gentleman's indigo sti In
would not have been on account of the deficiency of t
salary; and if he (Sir Robert Peel) had employed any
Member of Parliament during the recess on special service,
and bad paid him in the same wanner as Dr. Bowring had
been paid, he believed the Hon. Gentleman would have
decidedly objected to it on the score of constitutional pre-
cedent. The words of the Act of Anne were clear that
any person being a Member of Parliament accepting an
office of profit under the Crown, his scat in Parliament
should be void. Dr. Bowring had accepted an office of
profit under the Crown, being a Member of Parliament,
and he could not see how he could be exempted from the
operation of that clause.—( Cheers.) With respect to the
appointment of Carnatic Commissions that had been
made under an Act of Parliament. Besides, he
doubted that that was an apppointment under the Crown,
and appointments under the East India Company did not
vacate a seat in that House. With respect to Mr. Frank-
-1 Ind Lewis, he had been appointed under a special Act of
Parliament. That House had addressed the Crown to
appoint a Commissioner, and Mr. Frankland Lewis had
been appointed one of the Commissioners. Besides, he
had been paid by a specific vote of Parliament, which was
not the ease in this instance. He was not now calling in
qtrestion Dr. Bowring'a votes—he was speaking of ten-
dencies. God forbid that lie should question the honour of
Dr. Bowring's motives.—(Cheers.) But he would
suppose that he (Sir Robert Peel) had found a person
conversant with accounts abroad, and had continued that
person in his employment after he had been returned to
Parlisment, employed him during the recess on special
missions; if he might appoint one, there was no reason why
he might not appoint half a dozen, and in such a ease
would it be sufficient for him to say that they ware per-
fectly competent for the situation to which they were ap.
pointed ? Would he not have been told by Hon. Gentlemen
opposite, supposing tho situation to have been reversed;
that such appointments were calculated to exercise an im-
proper influence over islembers,of Parliament, that it would
be impossible to know where a limit was to be placed, and
if he should have had the misfortune, through inattention or
want of information, to have stated that no payment
would take place, end three years afterwards it should
have been discovered that a payment had taken place,
what would have been the construction placed upon his
conduct ?—(Cheers.) lie could wish Hon. Gentlemen
opposite no greater punishment than to have heard the
speeches which they would have then heard, beginning
with the Secretary of the Treasury, and ending with the
Hon. Gentleman. He was sorry to visit the conse-
quences of this upon Dr. Bowrirbr—the fault lay with the
Government who employed him, but he knew of no better
way o f expressing the sense of the House on the conduct
of the Government than by a diminution of the vote.
Mr. HUME said that the Right Hon. Baronet should
have ohjecter! to this three yetis? ego, when ht, (Mr.
floow) had hr,,tight the subject before Parliament. When
Dr. Do,cring Iths a M,..:;!her of that. House, tho
rhos. B,u-ot“.t list ut,t none eo thou, hut no N Wheil lie had
ceaged to be a Member for three years, he joined in a per-
sonal attack upon him. It was conduct such us this that
was degrading to the House of Corronons—(Checrs)—
and it showed how a great Alan might become a
little one by indulging in personal - attacks. The
Right Hon. Gentleman says, I don't attack Dr. Bow-
ring, but I will attack her 'Majesty's Government. The
Right Hon. Gentleman would final if he (Mr. Hume) had
a place on the other side of the floose—', Hear, hear)--
that he would act as he now did. Did he not three years
ago bring forward this subject in opposition to the interests
of his "p: rsonal ally ?" He thoughl the conduct pursued
by Government opposite was that wlrich was calculated to
degrade the House of Corn eons.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. G 0 ULBURN explained.
Lord JO HN RUSSELL could not refrain making an
observation on the reference. made to the statement of the
late Chancellor of the Exchequer, Lord Monteagle. His
Nable Friend had stated that Dr. Bowring was not to re-
ceive remuneration, but it was possible that afterwards he
might have found that it was but just that he should act con-
sistently with that determination. He ( Lord J Russell) had
been placed in a similar situation with respect to Mr.
I3lackburne, the head of the Corporation Commission.
He had some scruple to remunerate that Gentleman, he
being a Member of Parliament ; but a strong representa-
tion being made to him by the other members of the
Commission, he had brought the matter before Parliament,
and the money was voted. With regard to the whole
question, his opinion was there might be special occasions
in which this remuneration might be permitted. If it were
done to secure the vote of some Menber of Parliament
it would be, he agreed, most objectionable, as also, if
five or six Members, as mentioned by the Right Hon.
Baronet were so employed, during the recess. It was
his general opinion that no person receiving public
money should sit in Parliament, but he thought the case
of Dr. Bowring formed an harmless exception to it.
Mr. VILLIE RS asked if the Right Hon. .Baronet
could guarantee that diplomatic situations under his own or
other Governments would be filled by proper persons ?
He thought these commercial agents necessary evils; the
ordinary diplomatic agents did not possess sufficient infor-
mation, or if they did, it was disputed in that House, and
it was necessary they should have authentic information.
He was ready to admit that it was inexpedient such agents
should be Members of that House, but seeing this Gen-
tleman bad been so employed that no corruption was
imputed to him, and that so long a time had elapsed, he
did not see how they could fairly withhold payment. lie
thought if this Gentleman had made a somewhat different
Report, and had been a less distinguished person, he
would not 'lave beer, made the object of attack.
lie rested his support of the motion upon the great ser-
vices performed by Dr. Bo wring. and the necessity there
was for them —( Hear, hear.)
The gallery was then cleared for a division, when the
numbers were—

For the amendment
Against it
Majority against the amendment —32
On our re-admission into the gallery, there were loud
cries for the Chairman to report progress.
Mr. HUME persiited, notwithstanding the interruption,
to ask whether it was intended to abolish in future those
expenses of commissions which formed part of the vote,
and which the Military and Naval Commissioners had re-
commended to be abolished ?

Lord J. RUSSELL'Sanswer was wholly inaudible.
Colonel SIBTHORP moved the Chairman should re-
port progress.
The CHANCELLOR of the HXCHEQUER expos-
tulated, that after so much time had been occupied with a
single motion, the Hon. Gentleman should not object to the
vote for the Civil Contingencies being proceeded with.
After a few words from Mr. Goulburn, Mr. Hawes, and
Col. Sibthorp, the vote of 75,000/. for the Civil Contin-
gencies was rgreed to, and the House 1,. sumed.
The House then went into Committee upon the Prisons
(Ireland) Bill.
Colonel PERCIVAL objected to the Committee pro-
ceeding with the Bill at that late hour, and moved that
the Chairman report progress.
Lord MO RPETH said that if the Hon. and Gallant
Member persisted, he should take the sense of the House.

Colonel PERCIVAL said that he objected to the sys-
tem of deferring important measures of this nature to so
late a period of the Session, and bringing them on when
a large number of Irish Members were necessarily absent
at the Assizes.

Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and the Committee
divided. The numbers were—

For reporting progress lB
Against it 29
Majority

The Bill then went through Committee, and the House
resumed.

The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of,
and the House adjourned at a Quarier to Two o'Clock.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

TATTERSALL'S—YESTERDAY.
The closing prices were as follow :

LIVERPOOL cur.
5 to I agst Broadµ•ath—taken
5 to I agst Sleight of Hand
20 to 1 agst Huckster

GOODWOOD STAKES.

8 to I agst Clarion—taken
18 to 1 agst liroathsath—taken
20 to 1 agst Forlorn Hope—taken and afterwards offs red

Goonwoon cur.
5 to 1 agst Lanereost--taken
9 to 1 agst Charles the Twelfth—taken
9 to 1 agat Romulus—taken
9 to 1 agst Deception—taken
20 to 1 agat Harkaway—taken

ST. LEGER.

3 to 1 agst Crucifix
9 to 2 agst Launcelot—taken
12 to 1 agst 13roadwath
3:3 to 1 agst Theon
500 even between Gibraltar and Drayton

THE MARKETS.

PRICE OF BREAD.
The h'ghcs' • rice of Rtex,i the Met avil:s u lCd, fJr th e 41b
Lt af. GJod Bread may be had at S!.