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PARLIAMENT,

HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE I_l.
•BUILLING CHURCHES IN IRELAND.
The Earl of KINGSTON moved, that the petition that he
presented yesterday be referred to the Committee on the State
of Ireland.
The Earl of LIMERICK rose, for the purpose of com-
plaining of the conduct of a Right Rev. Prelate, who, in the
course of his speech last night, alluded to him, not personally,
hut by description so accurately, that they who ran might read.
The Right Rev. Prelate complained of his (Lord Limerick) not
having assented to a proposition fur the erection of a church' in
a parish in which he had considerable influence. The Noble
Earl defended himself against a charge, which, he thought, had
not been fairly brought forward in his absence.
Lord GORT vindicated the course pursued by the Right
Rev. Prelate.

The Earl of LIMERICK explained.
The LORD CHANCELLOR rose to order, and said, that
it was his duty to put the question, whether the petition pre-
sented by the Noble Earl
Yesterday should be referred to a
Committee.
The Earl of DARNLEY thought the petition should be re-
ferred ; and hoped the House would grant certain papers,
relative to the Church of Ireland, which he had before moved
for. _ _

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The Earl of LIVERPOOL Observed, that if the petition
were referred to the Committee, he should object to its leading
to inquiry into the state of the Church of Ireland
for, he was
convinced, that it was desirable to limit the inquiries of the
Committee, and not throw upon them the weight of investiga-
tion into every grievance that every individual might think
proper to bring forward as a fit object for their attention.
Viscount CLIFDEN observed, that he had seen in a Morn-
ing Paper a paragraph, which stated that the Allies were
most anxious that the Catholics of Ireland should be freed
from the disqualifying statutes under which they laboured.—
He had no doubt of their zeal on this subject; but he thought
they were probably a little more anxious to separate Ireland
from England ; and in case of a war, they would, he had no
doubt; make that attempt ; and he was sorry the present system
pursued towards Ireland should cause at least so nnich discon-
tent in that part of the empire, as to make such a scheme a
source of alarm at a future period for a single moment, which
probably it might be. There Were no persons so ill qualified
to take part in political affairs as clergymen. Lord Clarendon's
politics.
opinion was, that of all persons who could read and write, the
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Viscount OLIFDEN assured the House that he would not
detain them long, and asserted that Ireland could never be
tranquil whilst the present state of things continued. The
Noble Lord then adverted to the scarcity of places for public
worship in Ireland, many of them not being better than thatch-
ed huts.

—The petition was then referred to the Committee.
MESSAGE FROM THE HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Sir James Graham and others, froth the Commons, brought
up several private bills.
COMMISSIONERS FOR BUILDING CHURCHES.
Mr. Jenner, from the Commissioners for Building Churches,
presented papers to their Lordships. ,
MANCHESTER GAS BILL.
The Earl of LAUDERDALE objected-to this Bill ; but as
it had now passed both Houses, it was too late to say anything
about it; but next session he would introduce a Bill to repeal
it, as he considered it a job.
LOCAL TAXATION OF LIMERICK.
Lord GORT presented a peion from the landholders and
householders of the liberty of Limerick, PraYiiig that the parish
of St. Michael's, in Limerick, may be included in the local taxa-
tion of the city.
The Earl of LIMERICK, with some Warmth, objected to the.
presentation of the petition; and the Earl of CLARE followed
on the same side.
Lord GORT rose under great irritation, amidst cries of
waassitthwenaslaliidkeolyn the table.
" Order."
The Marquis of LANSDOWN said that he was sorry to
interrupt the Noble Lord, hut bethought the time of the House
lion a subject of local
interest, and
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petitions from the parishioners of
EQUITABLE. LOAN BILL.
in favour of the Equitable Loan Bill, The
Lord Ki NO
.prasented a.petition from the inhabitants of St.
jNarb lees
St. Luke, Old-street, and s' Paul's, CoVent-garden.
A petition was also presented from tbe pawnbrokers of .Man-
chester, praying to be heard by Counsel against the el
They were severally laid on the table.
The. Earl of,LAUDERDALE, as we understood, said that
he should oppose the Equitable Loan Bill going into a Com-
mitter.

DISSENTERS' OATHS.
The 11,-trcluis of LANSDOWN resented a petition from the

Dissenters of 'Wareham, in Dorsetsitire, praying to be relieved;
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from taking oaths inourts of: Justice.—Laid on the table.
WEIGHTS AND 'MEASURES.
The Marquis df LANSDOWN.
,Presented Petitions. from,
two individuals, against the Weights and Measures Regulation
Bill.—Laid on the table.
REMOVAL OF THE. NORFOLK ASSIZES.
Lord, SUFFIELD presented a Petition from the assembled,
magistracy of the county,.of Norfolk, praying that the Assizes,
may be held at Norwich on all occasions, instead of alternately
at Norwich and Thetford.
The Duke of GRAFTON. said a few words which were ttii.
audible below the bar.
The LORD CHANCELLOR opposed the prayer of the
petition, as it belonged to the Crown alone to appoint the places
where Assizes should be held.
The petition was ordered to be printed.
GAME LAWS.
On the Order of the Day for the second reading of the. Game
Laws being read,
Earl GROSVENOR said, that in rising on the present occa-
sion he did not mean to trouble the House at length, because
the question had .been so much discussed in another Place
but there were one or two points that he must refer to. The
object of his bill was, to legalise the sale of game by repealing
that part of the Game laws that made. it penal to buy or sell
game; as this bill was limited exclusively to that point, he
trusted the measure would meet with the approbation of their
Lordships. It would be more prudent to pass this bill during
peoermsotnnsitetend-
tfihr
tered.the walls of a prison in consequence of et,
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under
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present system.
it, was. well known
against those laws, comparatively innocent in their condUct, and
much better subjects than when they came out of them. The
more facility that was given to bring any, article to market, the
greater he believed, would be the uantity in the market of
such article; and he thought this principle would hold good
2daa:t ,Many
with regard to game, as the cheapness of it would destrby the
temptation. No one now stole deer, because they Might be
sold publicly in a market ; which, he thought, was a fair
example to induce their Lordships to put in practice the theory
he proposed to their notice. In foreign countries there wis no
fear of game being destroyed in consequence of its being sOld;
it was publicly brought to market; and why shoidd the appre-
hension exist here ? The Noble Earl then moved the second
reading of the Bill.
The LORD CHANCELLOR quitted the Woolsack and
observed, that after the fate of a similar Bill in another
place, he could not see the advantage of passing this met-
turn LA partio (for it was the smallest Bill he had ever seen).
The subject had been under consideration for five months,
and still Gentlemen could not make up their minds upon it.
Poaching was certainly an evil, and a very great one ;.
by permitting poachers to 'sell game, the evil would not be
decreased, for then lie would be flowed to sell what he
never bought. If this Bill were passed it would take away
the great solace and comfort of his life, for he did not think he
should be enabled to find a single partridge in a short time
after the operation of this Bill commenced. He could see no
advantage in passing this measure on the 11th June, 1824,
when other persons had told them that, after five months con-
sideration, they could not make up their minds on the subject.
Lord DACRE rose, under great diffidence, to support the
Bill, after what had been said by the Noble and Learned Lord
on the Woolsack; but he could not avoid doing so when be
reflected that between two and three thousand persons were
committed to prison every year under the present system ; but
he thought the Bill of the Noble Lord would not answer the
purpose he had in view from its introduction, as it would not,
lie feared, excite a proper feeling in the lower orders on the
subject which it was so desirable to effect. He hoped that his
Noble Friend would introduce a measure in the next Session cf
a more extended nature.
. Lord CALTHORPE supported the Bill.
The Duke of RICHMOND oppoSed the Bill.
The Marquis Of SALISBURY said, that if the Bill were not
greatly altered in another stage, he would oppose it. •
The Earl of CARNARVON strongly supported the Bill, for
he thought the present system of the Game Laws had a strong
tendency to demoralise the character of the lower orders of the
people ; but in consequence of what took place in another
House, he suggested the propriety of postponing the considera-
tion of question until the next Session, when it could be
brought forward with more effect.
After a few remarks from Earl GROSVENOR in reply, the
Bill was negatived without a division.
WELSH JUDICATURE BILL.
Lord KENYON moved that the Welch Judicature Bill be
committed.
Lord CAWDOR opposed their Lordships going into a Coni-
mittee..
Lord ItEDESDA LE was in favour of the Bill.
After a few words from Lord KENYON,
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said that he hoped the further
consideration of the measure would be postponed until the en-
suing
Marquisweck. of BUTE opposed the Bill.
Lord KENYON consented to postpone the consideration of
the question until Monday.
STAFFORD ATTAINDER REVERSAL BILL, &c.
The Report of the Committee of Privileges, to which the Bills
respecting the Stafford and the other Peerages, which it was
proposed to restore, were referred, was brought up. The re-
port was agreed to, and the third reading of the Bills for the
Restoration of Honours was fixed for Monday.
WEIGHTS AND MEASURES BILL.
The Weights and Measures Bill was committed and reported.
The several Bills before the House were forwarded in their
respective stages, and their Lordships adjourned at Ten o'Clock,
to Monday.