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instance, the constituency of Cavan was stated to be 3,800,
but the return itself showed that upwards of 500 of thoae

were double entries.

In the county of Lorgford it wool d

appear, from the returns, that there was a constituency
of 1,900 voters ; but the Reports stated, that in the whole
county there were in reality little more than 1,500. But
even from that number a considerable number must be

deducted on account of double entries, so that the consti-

tuency would dwindle down much below the amount
stated in the return. Wicklow was set down as having a
constituency of 2,300, but, judging by the late election,
not more than 1,300 were now capablo of voting. In
Mayo the constituency was stated to be 2,100—a smaller
county constituency than any in England, with the ex-
ception of that of Rutlandshire; but in May last the number
did not exceed 700. Would any body say that the
amount of those constituencies bore a fair proportion
to the population of the Irish Counties? ( Hear,
hear.) He would admit that the amount of constituencies
ought not VI depend altogether on population, but was

_MORNING EDITION.

Itic,,t,ttliper..g.,pitlhlettiaontlloawr,thOosft
ci..ll:,:so,rittuaLept,
ia,,nsd? maAtte stills le e iFeenr•ie,.der et nrf
the passing of the Ref irin lad; population snd er:Pa_s tia
were taken, together as tae standa d by which 40 it
be ietermined whether erten' towns should or she.. e
have represeetstives in lacunae:oA; and erof'' w rt;it wee
the only basis of electoial rights ti ee might is an
j
left the repre,eetstive system elte ether unreferire- •
sa,,e
its condition unaltered. He d.d not advocate ae bide
or a large extension of the franchise, which he thn
n'
°a a
io.„
would be a great evil, in opposition to the opin6
great many Hon. Geetlemeii on Li; side f the 1,„,
bf eatlie it would become an obstacle to enlightened
gislation, and he bad no reason to think that if
nma_nY
the costiencies ha been much enla sged a a format
period thetu Roman Catholic Re 13ill wouldt not
paper
been parsed. He had, he thought, been shown i° p
with which the Honourable Member fer Leeds
re(
ott
Baines) was connected, that there was every
to apprehend that if the franchise Were I 96cf.:.
extended, it would tend ultimately to defeat those imPre°_
ments which was the main object which the advocatcte9e.,
such a course had in view. At the same time, 10 ,cvsid
be
ee
such
wishedns
ttohaetntalbieremseommbeerseocofi
community
tcyo lots; iftrucrgiee st.levemen
the people and those who were entrusted with theiriktaeyre-
eats in that House.—( Ile ir, hear.) The county
°,O were
contained a population of :36 0,000 inhabitante, %vat
principally Roman Catholics, but if the Protestan,,,!nte
lords cecerced the constituents, then the result nos,:;
that a large Catholic population might be represe:tasiai
representatives directly hostile to them• lie era'
whether that were a state of things which left anYorthe
bability of an identity of interest and feeling betwee,
co0;1'
mass of the people and the constituency of the
( Hear, hear)—or whether diet were a .s:tate of 11).1'7 to
which the population of that county would
.be plias
feet much confidence in the Legielature which bad , .0.
duced results so anomalous ? The Noble Lord in coMeeloata
isg of the present measure, had confined
of England and Ireland as regarded the
but it aid not seem to him Mr. C. Wood) that there u t
the slightest analogy between Thew°
mount
the two cases. very
of the leasehold constituencies in England
•"gime-
small, unless in a very few places. Fifty or huge
holders wsre the most that were generally found In
earl.
constituencies; but in Ireland and Scotland a versYbeeire
siderable portion of the voters had acquired the frleases
by right of leasehold and it would appear that the lee
hold tenure in Ireland was gradually diininishinJ; lend,
did not wish to impute political motives to the jr. wed
lords in the management cf their property, but itte,,P,Peeting
leaseholdthenuvires;
that many of them were not now in the habit 01 b.as the
leases to their tenants. Their object probsbl 501eer-
improvemeet of their estates, and the law could hose iris-
tainly interfere with them ; but yet the result t. county'
pruvements might be the disfranchisement of halfa
Much had been said of the coercion attic 501. tenal?triagicea
in this country ; and the Noble Lord opposite h'
r`lations
expression that evening to sentiments as to the
Od.) ass
between landlord and tenant which he (Mr. W°}lo tad
not a little surprised to hear.—( Hear, herr.) 1,001
always understood that the tenure of land, and the r; ode°
subsisting between landlord mid tenant, should bens '°-0/ tes
on their mutual interests, and the political eeinie tlel
nants should have no more to do in such a case thandid eel
were not known to exist.—( Heaa, heir. But he „eels
believe in the coercion said to have been) xercised tet-onf
the 50!. tenants in this counts He did not tneanearsce
that there were not instances Yin which an undue la ago;
had been used, but he did not know why such gil:plieveu
ence should be generally used, because he &int,'to'
that in the majority of cases the opinions of th":, 501ir lits;
nants were in perfect accordance with those t"es•
lords on the subjects which decided county electin
beard
further, he had no reason to think, from all he ha least
road all he had seen, that the influence exercised on
ton.
holders was less than that exert ised on the 01' tee said
—( a:, hear, hear.) In B,,„hireieflaence
the to
to
unexampled extent hid been exercised principally °vgat such
who held by the leasehold tenure. But in whale
at
at ere
dangers might be provided agaiest, he thoughtat be 0):
should be taken that the constituency of liela,_°%„, orn°,4
further e I uced. --( Hear, hear.) lie certainly '‘n,he rate'
better test for the qualification in that country than `e ors'
lion
buewohf
ipeirtehmeisheas.d
slnigegdeisdte nos: ttomleeaanve orwintsist on ..11 ber the
altogeit tbe
necessity of a leasehold tenure, because he hehe a sn6i
dHeoeuissco
oh had
nnotthaatdesqouoisjetesr.
amount for
ofers:i °ingot!
sr itptrf,'.
independently of any tenure, would give °et,: It °le-
Ps
tualt tion
however, e v7el;,otoht tat
toeorpisrtoipttloesnecdyn'
loefasounrley:;ro;tteoblec;
merit on the Reform Act, and the were told not thou
da
the doors to voters insufficiently aliaed, lest the!, 'n the
hereafter be unable to close them. To any ehatibibiltrilt"
Reform Bill for the purpose of producing' a reod sit'
Lion of powers he (Mr. Wood) was as much 00°5-115forta
Noble Lcrd opposite. He certainly thought the bta°
Act. as a settlement of a great national question,
_(,)titgbat
lightly to be disturbed.—(Hear) He considere°,ao 0(01
its passing a revolution was effected in the constittlletien
country, affecting the popular party here as the r,ev:y o°,l
1663 affected the monarchy, and no one cold" jaie ort„.:
—( Hear, hear.)3l
dbnbbt
yeetuHaci
aitiaseentuhtutecrewsheomeidupsoirt,dtihrtetwentht
ohooestatrahotecmbevfoiyeeetui
had been effected without hazard. They bad 't,-otl
be thankful that it had not injured the counter' filar en
ought to be cautious and timid in incurring Ole t'ef
bectfttiloehtoicia,clEsui:foiae::ltw,r.
tadutortideituy.cisi,fi
Noble Lord to ore' the prinetreia be
rintwne:tveerereciunraceeistsd3h.sa°tlbe
erisoPielotif;:leor
etelf
totachgre'
icnieart
ilbreralebiol:o
England no doubt as to the franchise, and hood
whileobta inheed
adhered
ea frroallryymfaediririvßuiradi ell
ellpydr:di:nievnitdihtt ea tdinco:onnuwat°::::Y- t-01113;
de°rllol3l:aceirl-;ei'B6l3:b etlea
had reason to think that, unless some estrallrt would lit
unforeseen circumstances arose, no other restt,,'" „"be
rendewto
taittsepeparlibetoiptlheeocfotnistetitugeenfto::rgn!lii
was net fettered to all its provisions; he
pinned down to the four corners of the enessd'eti the gt;
bear.) He did not think that when they fen° Ideerena
chise unsettled in Ireland, they were bound to fesudeeeres-
that uncertainty, and leave the doors open t°, go, r
to extend the franchise and tobringa
perjury. Besides, was it not a principle of tne beiehed
greaterb
Bill
of
att)arstuieesb wv,itahainththeearpoalweeodfothhjeeoctonosftittbuetionlaii7l litestbaeachti;eso,
the object avowed by the Noble Lord hilnaell f the
•
They should not adhere too strictly to the letter ertt,
form Act, while they might thereby violate 10 and stye
should not run counter to the objects Of the 131;0 00 11*,
less to the intentions of its framers. But eilf." he (ble
principle avowed by the Noble Lord him the the
Wood) was surprised at the opposition ofit wasn-es
Lord to the Bill. He had understood that tbe rrld
wish of the Noble Lord that such a measure esod giltat
sent should he introduced by the Goverentt teinaltailblo
be fairly considered by the House. He did, pot
tbo Pv ea-
that was the stage of the measure at Winer }Abeleto
Lord should have urged any objections be oTerati3,",
tertained to it. There was oe other consicid- dee,s'ef
which he wished to refer. The Noble Lord ha systeen
that his only object was to remedy the defeetived bad Diet
registration in Ireland, though the Noble l'eragituenethe
accused of covertly seeking to diminish the ect'lliteed
of that country. He would not say be °lot 1/0„01
Noble Lord of any such intention, becattso ' aid "d,
imply a suspicion on his part which be did
Vrel
feel as to the motives of the ,_°' eten,tiara
He believed that the Noble Earl had no oluerfieble
then those which he professed ; but the before -be
should in that case allow tine measure thens of to
House to go into Committee. The feel Lord or
people of Ireland were opposed to the No bo
the occasion. If the Hon. and Learned blab also
Dublin were the only person opposed ton were 7,0
might have braved such opposition ; but tbetoppoltife
of his own Government in Ireland.—( Hear, Leap) in ealtiste
arrayed against him those who were tbe firmesi7ear,) ei
believed it to be most unwise and impolitie ' leg° lot
of the most stringent necessity, to ettemPtidtetidetittthe
against the feelings of a people, though lie weu„yaiah het
cases might exist and had before existed la_ duty; ef
House of Commons had not shrunk front itan„s 05e
,e
would anybody say that the present occasion the la; of
bsferi° the /311
that nature? The only question then
was whether the House would proceed Noble Lord IP
his Noble Friend, or with the Bill of the Noh' t;en ti,
posits. That was the sole and simple que thet
,ay
before the House; and was there anybody te
was a case in which they thauld attempt ta.eiiiig
pieb
direct opposition to that almost uvailimeus laaeland (rota
they had every reason to know now pervaded 1'
ableh
one eoid Li the ether ?—( Cheers. )
Mr. LITTON would briefly state the gro"" idciej
fie e tap"
he opposed tee second reading of the iene attee ~ley
it did not mean what it spoke, but sees a e'vereenstifu'elai
repeal the Irish Reterrn Bill, and open the a,. eitenbtee
ti a body of men the Referin Int had nevee'ves the
should be invested with the franchise. The.„3: ad, 01
were now admitted had been heretef ire a1e°,1;,,, r'fitte
Government had been celled on to reined,' tue,ssivea.,to
time to time Bills bad been brought in hy suit-gt—thelest
torneys-General, without any intention of paems
remedy the evils of the Irish registration syster.! tie ose•
year, compelled by the success cf the Bill °Lint pia the
for
0,0 sul?Jet
Lord, Ministers had brought in a Bill t"1. tPcrePiljg• cti
That Bill had been accompanied by a Bill
franchise, but it had been understood that thet 00gl ,_e
were to be kept distinct and separate, and they(,t,echtsrh
have been kept so. The Bill for defining
eesehad dotet if
that what ten out of the twelve Judges . so thy' it,
mined to be the franchise should be so no longtrol 'the Milos
they amended the evils of the registration aPtehy enlarg be
ters were determined to have a quid pro
;illsqu9 were to
ober
the franchise, but they concluded the two Ilie ale
ion
kept separate. The Bill of the Noble Lord Lre,,ii.tratiess
for North Lancashire removed the etas of the coat se
d alien also.
system, and its fate was well known, an drawn f
ita•,,t 0
withdrawn the Government Bills were " oestrUett"
It was monstrous in such a Bill that the er et, 1101(;iii
tea of the Judges as to the franchise I.ld,h' resent 5,
Bill should be declared to be wrong, and t'=encc taanlitlet
was characterised by equal want of fairneis e geforit _of
What the public complained of was not that the
inisvationbe
was in bad liw, but they called for the due 2`15 t° tea
that law. The Government found they meui,sit'to 3 sist re
call of the people, wile would DO longer Su'l 5 etease,o
of fraud, and that if they did not iatrodh,u
ice Talc alo„1?!.,
of their own they must submit to the "
cratizeLord. Bonuet they bad no right elatei Woo..
a principle extending the francliise eat ta 0
end d
peal the Reform Bill, and to dernoraliz
there - the
hero
d(nnodt :hit
found
l them
anro
hp:
t:
parties
mi t
the
produced
oa
laud,
Act,
en
dasn;siumcnßeiceledaaxercised the
jantilords
tbose
o objected
ng
the
no appeal to the Judges, to the
arnc. 'h11,.70
,to
registry of unqualified persons. ,0.,) usiegistraill'unt
manner of the appointment of the !rise!
ua-
which the public complained. The crying „ell, Linn
vs wholly tlir!
England, as in Ireland, was, that phrso
I3arristers. The Bill tended to perpetuat
er eitts
lified by their situation inn life, by their wen t:d the le!,
ictnetdrod
nd sWar"Pe d prito,'
character got upon the registry, a
. ie fratid must
mate constitute cy. It would e,es tha Toter the
by legitimizing the paupers upon tbertAo.":7 I
they thee° WO
have the votes of the mob, and thereto',
ot g.°
whY
paupers on the register. It vas said,
aclol