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Tim NAPOLEON MANUSCRIPTS.--The Second
Livraison of this important publication, which is to appear in a
few days, will contain, we understand, among many other subjects
of great interest, the account of the Expedition to Egypt, and the
policy of the French with respect to that country,—the Battle
of the Nile,—Napoleon's Remarks on Maritime War, and on
the Navies of France and England,—Narrative of the March
of the French Army on Cairo,—the Battle of the Pyramids,—
the taking of Cairo,—the Expedition of the French into Syria,
—the Sieges of Jaffa and St. Jean d'Acre,—the Defeat of
Mustapha Pacha at Aboukir, &c., interspersed with a variety
of curious observations on the Religion, Laws, and Manners,
of the Arabs, Egyptians, Turks; Syrians, &c. Tire miscel-
laneous part comprises—Remarks on the Campaigns of Alex-
ander, Hannibal, Caesar, Gustavus Adolphus, Turenne, Prince'
Eugene, Frederic the Great, Charles XIL, and Napoleon;
with a comparison between the passage of the Alps by the
latter, in 1800, and that of Hannibal. Particulars of the Wars
of Spain and Russia. The History and Examination of the
Maritime Claims of England, and the opposition made to them
at different periods by- France the United States, the Northern
Powers, the Armed Neutrality of the Northern States,—the
Battle of Copenhagen,—the Assassination of the Emperor Paul
of Russia &c. Forty-four Notes on the Work, entitled
Manuscript from St. Helena, and that of M. Fleury de Chi.
boulon, &c. &c.

A funeral sermon, on the occasion of the death
of the lute T. CHESTER' , Esq. of Dover, was
preached at the Unitarian Baptist Chapel, ut
that place, on the evening of Tuesday last, by
the Rev. S. Noble, Minister of the New Jerusa-
lem Chapel, London ; the use of the chapel
being granted for the purpose by permission of
the members of it. The deceased was a disciple
of Emanuel Swedenborg, and, front the singularity
of their opinions, great interest was excited to
hear the discourse of the Rev. Gentleman. The
chapel, which is rather commodious, and will
contain a great number, was crowded to excess
long before the time fixed for the commencement
of the service, and some hundreds went away
disappointed who even came before the appoint-
ed hour. Air. Chester, it is said, has left the
sum of 3,00.01. for the purpose of educating chil-
dren in the Swedenborgian principles.

HOUSE. OF LORDS, Just IQ.
The Duke of SOMERSET brought up the Report of the
Committee on Weights and Measures:
Lord DA CRE presented a petition from the Church wardens,
Overseers, and Inhabitants of the Parish of St. Luke, praying
their Lordships would be pleased to insert a clause in the
Bill now before the House, by which the Marriages of Roman
Catholics by the Clergy of their own persuasion might be ren-
dered legal. After some ohservations from his Lordship in
favour of the prayer of the petition, it was read, and ordered to
lie on the table.

IRISH JOINT TENANCY.
On the motion of the Marquis of LANsDowx, the Irish
Joint Tenancy Bill went through a Committee. The Report
to be received to-morrow. The Noble Marquis observed, in
order to correct an erroneous opinion which prevailed both in
this country and in Ireland, that the Bill did not take away
auy.existing franchise whatever.
IRISH GRAND JURY PRESENTMENTS.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN moved the commitment of
the Irish Grand Jury Presentment Bill. A similar bill had
been under their Lordships' consideration last, year, and the
present bill had been three months under discussion in the
course of the present year ; and he was autlioriied to state, that
the scale of salaries of clerks of the Crown and clerks of the
peace was unanimously approved of at a meeting which took
place, and Was attended by nearly all the Members of Parlia-
ment Ireland then in London. Those salaries were in lieu
of fees for which the Grand Juries had usually presented, but
without any view to the other duties of the officers; and under
that system the most unequal remuneration had been awarded.
In one instance under that system a clerk of the Peace had re-
ceived fees equal to the salary of the Lord Chief Justice of Ire-
land. He had a right to assume that the majority of the clerks
of the pence were favourable to the bill, since a petition which
had remained for signature three months had .only ten names
attached to it ; but at all events their Lordships. would recol-
lect these emoluments were collected from the poorest class
of persons of a poor country, and they would therefore look
with a favourable eye on a measure which had for its object the
relief of'that class. He had read with great attention the vari-
ous petitions, but he could find not a shadow of claim as
for vested interest; there was indeed a mention of an ancient
fee, which he was surprised to find on examination was taken
under the act of 49th Geo. I l 1., so that it had scarcely a pre-
scription of 15 years, instead of being an " ancient fee," us it
was called.

The Earl of DONOUGHMORE referred to the message
which was sent to the House of Commons when this Bill Mina
up last year, in which their Lordships called for the informa-
tion upon which the Commons had passed the Bill. To that
message the other House of Parliament gave no answer, upon
the principle, he supposed, that their Lordships were not to
venture any interference on a Bill In which money was men-
tioned. Their Lordships thought it that time that they had
not sufficient information on which to legislate, and he would
ask them what information they had since received. His Noble
Friend (the Marquis of Lansdown) had indeed stated some
things of which he had been informed, and inferences which he
had drawn from them ;, but he (the Earl of Donoughmore)
could assure him that they were directly, contrary to truth ;
for if all the clerks of the peace could have been collected
together, he was very sure the majority of them would have
signed the Petition against the Bill. The Noble Marquis
had alluded to the 4iith Geo. 111., as. if the fee to which
he alluded was established by that Act, which was not the
case : it was an ancient fee, and the Act only ascertained
the mode in which it should be presented. The Noble
Marquis had denied that the clerks of the peace had any
vested intereeui at stake ; but he trusted that if he could
satisfy hint that they had, he should have the benefit of
the_ Noble Marquis's support for the object he had in view
namely , a little further time, that the parties might be heard
in.their own behalf. : The Noble Carl here read the opinion of
Mr. Tindall, that the clerks of the peace " had an estate of
freehold in their offices." All, he (the Earl of Donoughmore)
wished was, that justice might be dope to the parties, as the
Bill, if passed in its present stair, would be a Bill of Pains and
Penalties. Ile could not Agree to extending to mere Bills of
regulation like the present the principle claimed by the other
House as to money bills, and ha would beg to ask his Noble
Friend (the Marquis of Lanstlown) if the Bill of last year was
so perfect, how it happened that.the salaries to the clerks of the
Crown were in the present Bill nearly doubled. In the sche-
dule of the first Bill, the salaries of the clerks of the peace were
the higher, as they ought to be ; for they had ten times the
duty to petform. that the clerks of the Crown had. The Bill
also, if passed in its present state, would talce away
the fees of
the Sheriffs, without any.compensation whatefer. The Noble
Earl said, that all he wanted was inquiry, and he hoped so
reasonable a proposition wedded not be met by a dissent. Let
them hear evidence lii a Committee, and then, after considering
the just claims,pf the parties, decide upon a deliberate view of
the whole case. He concluded by moving as an ementlinent,
that the Bill be committed on Monday next,
and that the par-
ties be heard by Counsel in support of whist they deemed to be
their vested rifghts. .
The Earl o LIMERICK said that the bill should have his
support, as a measure of necessary reform.
Lord LORTON spoke in favour of the amendment.
The Earl of GOSFORD was in favour of the principle of
the bill. He had the utmost desire to see the salaries of the
officers placed upon an equitable footing.
'rile Marquis of LA NSDOWN said, that as the principle of
the bill was generally admitted, he could not concur in the pro.
priety of postponing it, although he had every disposition to give
the parties concerned an opportunity of being heard on the sub.
ject of their particular claims early in the ensuing session.
The Earl of DONOUGIIMORE again contended against
' the propriety or justice of passing this bill without a previous
inquiry.
' The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that on this subject he
must be governed by those who had the necessary local informa-
tion. He entirely concurred in the propriety of giving the ofß.
cers fixed salaries, instead of leaving them dependent upon
Grand Jury Presentments, At the same time, he thought that
if the parties set up a claim of vested rights, it was but reason.
able to give them a hearing before the passing of this bill.
Whatever hearing they g'ranted should be confined to the ques.
tion of vested rights, and not extended to the general expedi-
ency, of the bill itself.
The LORD CHANCELLOR approved of the amend-
ment, for the sole purpose of Allowing the parties to state their
Case.
Lord ItEI)ESDALE concurred in the opinion of his Noble
and Learned Friend.
After a few words from the Marquis of LANSDOWN, the
Earl of DONOUGllmonz's amendment way agreed to.
DISSENTERS' MARRIAGE BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWN rose to move the second
reading of the Dissenters' Marriage Bill, the object of which
was to enable diaventers to have the marriage ceremony per-
formed in their own respective churches. For the reasons
which he had stated, he felt the necessity of coupling this holy
tie with a cermony of. a religious description, binding in the
sight of God and man; and he thought, unless some state
sciencesof
that
tre religious ceremony
ifeeling and con.
united. He might as.
necessityibe required
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sume, without fear of contradiction, that toleration was the law
of the hind. The only exception to that principle was, the
am introduction
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t were oiof't bOaco
eaeuit eniil Conformity, at the mo.
entering
into that holy tie;
argue in that Louse, that no satis-
faction could arise to the state, that no ,benefit could 'accrue
to the church, from any partial conformity of this descrip.
tion. The measure .provided for the necessary publicity of
marriage, and for the protection of the parties. All the
Bill asked was, that individuals, after going through all the
forms prescribed by law, and Paying those fees which were
essenti:cl to the Established Church, should then be permitted,
in the face of their own clergymen, and in the way most con.
genial to their religious feelings, to consummate that holy tie'
and to have the marriage thus solemnized, registered as the
marriages of their fellow subjects were.. The Noble Marquis
concluded, by moving the martini reading oldie Bill.
The LORD CHANCELLOR regretted that he was obliged
to oppose the motion of the Noble Lord: but the very view
which the Noble Lord himself took of it, justified him in call.
ing_on their Lordship not tct,,malce so great an alteration as the
Dill contemplated at so late a period of the session, The Bill
was marked by a generality of 'provision, which showed the
impossibility 01 carrying it into effect. eVitliough a firm
to the Church of England, he thought he might say that be
took as just a view of toleration as any Noble Lord in
that House could do; but he could not-go the length to
,

which this Bill pointed. By this Bill, where a marriage
took place between a. Catholic and a Protestant, the Pre-
twain was left entirely out of the question. The marriage
must be by the Roman Catholic form, and no provision wax
made for satisfying the scruples of the Protestant. The Bill
was founded, it was said, on a tenderness for the religious prin.
ciples of particular sects but If those principles led men to deny
the proofs of Christianity, were they to lend themslves to an
extended toleration of that sort ? To what would this Bill go ?
It would enable persons to set up a place for the celebration of
marriage in every, town and village throughout England (for
they all knei how easy it was to procure a license under the
Register Act), and that, not for individuals whose religious
tenets were known, but it would introduce 3hanna Southcot's
followers, together with ranters, jumpers, and various other sects,
of whose principles they knew nothing. It went even- farther,
for it gave protection to all those religiousopinions which might
hereafter be promulgated. The Bill, it might be said, could be
amended : but he pressed on their Lordships to consider, whe-
ther they could, with propriety, at this period of the Session,
set about amending a Bill, having for its object such mighty
changes in the law of marriage ? It would be much wiser to
give this Bill up, and to have another measure introduced early
in the next Session.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, he must give the Bill, as
it now stood, his most decided negative, because it contained
provisions to which he, tbr one, never could accede. The ob.
ject oftfse Bill be, however, admitted to be necessary and ex-
pedient, to a certain extent. Ile, therefore,'Allrered from his
Noble and Learned Friend, who wished the measure to be
withdrawn altogether. Even at that late period of the Session,
it might be sent to a Committee to inquire, whether a part of
it might not be retained, if: the object could not be effected by
some other mode ; and certainly this measure did not appear
to him to be the most advisable mode. The argument for the
principle, or rather for the object of the Bill, was unanswer-
able ; he said unanswerable, after having recognized_ that prin-
ciple in the case of the Jews and Quakers. There were parts
of the marriage-ceremony which they knew certain sects could
not. conscientiously agree to ; and to say to those persons,
" We will either force you to go through that ceremony, or
we will prevent you from entering into that state of life which
is necessary for your happiness, and for the preservation of
your virtue," could not be maintained as a just doctrine. Ile
would not, however, grant relief by a measure which, like the
present, was accompanied by all the inconveniences described
by his Learned Friend, as well as by many others which
he did not point out. He thought no difficulty could arise
with respect to Roman Catholics, Quakers, and Jews • but.
as to Dissenters, a certain portion of the service mightl be
omitted, if the Church did not object to it. There was one
provision of the Bill which compelled the parties, not only
where both u ere dissenters, but where either was a. dissenter, to
be united according to the dissenting forms. Here was A,
a member of the -Church of England, and B, a dissenter,
about to be united. Now, was it unreasonable that the con-
science of each should be satisfied, by having the ceremony
performed according to the rites of the two churches ? But,
if the Bill were passed as it stood at present, they might be mar-
ried in any church, as dissenters, But A, could not have the rites
of her own church. This was a priaciple so objectionable, that
it could not stand. It would be a legislation against the church
establishment. Another point of great importance was, that
the parties should be Lona fide, and not nominal dissenters.
Again, the provision with respect to the chapel or plce where
marriages might be solemnized, called for revision. Under the
present bill, marriages might be contracted in every alehoase.
He would not, however, oppose the second reading and com-
mittal of the bill.

The Archbishop of CANTERBURY heard with consider.
able alarm the suggestion of the Noble Earl, with respect. to the
marriage-service. It was the drat proposition ever made in that
House to alter the liturgy of the katablisheci Church. And for
what purpose ? for the purpose of accommodating those who
were not of the Church of England—to accommodate sects who
founded their faith and religious belief on private and unlearned
interpretations of the Scripture. No man had a greater respect
for toleration than he had. It was a proper and necessary thing.
But the extent to which it should be allowed, was the business
of the Legislature, and not of the Ilhiirch. Ile knew 'of nn
other just limitation to toleration than that, which was laid
down by the Legislature. The present Bill went beyond the
point to which it should go, namely—that of giving relief to
scruples of conscience. Underproper regulations, such rebel.
might be giVen ; but this Bill went farther, and interfered with
matters of discipline.
The Bishop of WORCESTER admitted that the Bill, In
its present state, was imperfect; but with all its imperfections
it might be sent to 4 Committee, if it were only to show that the
subject was deemed worthy of serious- consideration. lie con-
ceived that some relief Might be given; .but..what, lie would
not take upon himself to say. With respect to what had fallen ,
from the Noble Earl (Liverpool), he had only thrown out a
suggestion as to the marriage service, observing, at the same
time, that it could not be carried into circa without the con-
currence of the Church, and even then he only spoke of
omitting certain parts of the service In solemnizing the mar-
riage of Dissenters.
Lord REDESDALE opposed the Bill—the principle of
which, he observed, was nothing more nor less than to convert
every place in this country, for which individuals chose to pro-
cure a license, into a Gretna-green.
The Earl of lIARROWBY thought, the Bill went too far,
anti concurred in the objections which had been urged against
it by his Noble Friends. Ile thought, however, that it ought
to be suffered to go to a Committee. The question could be
there thoroughly considered, and a more unobjectionable Bill
brought in next Session.

Vie Bishop of .CHESTER put it to the Noble Marquis,
whether it was proper to.. bring forward this Bill at so late
a period of the Session, when many of the Bishops Were absent,.
end others were going to discharge their ecclesiastical func-
tions ? Was it fitting that a Bill which materially affected the
scruples and feelings of the clergy at large of the church of
England should thus be inttoduced ? Ought not time to be
given them tt, petition the House, if they deemed it necessary ?
Be expressed his anxious hope that it would not be pressed at
this period of the Session ; but that next Session the subject
would receive that serious consideration which was most justly
due to it.

Lord CA LTHORPE said, sufficient had been stated to in-
duce their Lordships to go into a Committee on this Bill. He
looked to the agitation of subject without the smallest appre-
hension ; because the more the just rights and privileges of the
Church of England became the subject of consideration in Par-
'lament, that Church wotild more strongly recommend itself to
the reason,undqstanding, respett, and affection of the country at
large. H e thought neither the in terests of religion ,nor the interests
of the church, called on them to force individuals to an apparent
acquiescence in opinions, which, in their view, were repugnant
to reason, and contrary to the Scripture. For this reason, he
thought the Bill ought to be made the subject of their .Lord-
ships deliberations in a Committee. He was not disposed to
pledge himself to any of the provisions of the Bill; but, con-
sidering its principle, he could not avoid expressing this quell.
tied approbation of it.
The Bishop of LANDAFF observed, that the Legislature
ought to be satisfied as to the partice who were to solemnize
marriages under this Bill, and the forms that were to sae used.
The Jews, Catholics, and Quakers, had marriage ceremonies,
which were known ; but as to thegreat body of sectarians, they had
no religious ceremony. of marriage, and would nut, perhaps,
be willing to adopt any. which the Legislature might impose on
them. He did not think that the moral and religious interests
of the community could be safe, if much a latitude were allowed
as was proposed by this Bill. He admitted that this was a ques.
tion which demanded consideration ; but it could'hot be decided
oft' hand. He wished the Bill to be withdrawn for the present.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said, the real object of this Bill
was to relieve religious scruples, and nothing else. The Right
Reverend Prelate wined, that the moral and religious
terests of the community would not be safe under the provi-
sions of this Bill. Now, he thought those interests were not
much advanced by forcing persons, in despite of their religious
scruples, to an occasional conformity.- The Right Reverend Pre..
late admitted that the subject demanded consideration. Why,
then, would-he not go into a Committee, and see whether the
Bill could not be rendered satiefactory? With respect to the
alteration of the liturgy, he doubted whether it could he effected,
so as to include all dissenters, without doing that to which he
had a moat serious objection—namely, , converting mer..
riage into a mere civil ceremony. . There were few things
which gave him more pain that to see the Right Rev. Bench
always thus intlispoied to give relief to tender consciences,---
What was required of the. Legislature by this Bill .was but
very little; what the Legislature at present required of the'
Dissenters was a very grievous obligation. He wished to see
Noble Lords adhere to those liberal principles of legislatiop ;
he was anxious to see the 'Right Reverend Benoit adopt those
,principles which would reflect, much more honoureat threhoreh .
. .