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that this reduction had not realized the expectations held out
by the speech delivered from the thMkje, which stated that the
estiniates to be laid before the House, Would by found to be re-
duced, on a comparison with those of last year, and lobe framed
with a due attention to economy. There were many Hag.
Members who thought the army ought to be reduced, and that
the reduction ought to be added to the nary.
,This also was a
question which he should not enter into at present, because he
considered the Report about fo be brought up as altogether prt•
visional, acid liable to alteration, should the situation of :the
country call for it. He should not divide the. lionse'upon his
motion, as he intended to divide it upon matters of detail, as
they should be disclosed by the Report 3 but he merely Wished
at present 'to put the sentiments he had expressed upon re-
cord. Re moved therefore an amendment to the question for
bringing up the Report, a Statement of the conipiwative
amounts of the Army Estimates for last year- and this year,
and'" that so small a 'reduction as 16,0001. upon an expen-
diture of upwards of Six millions, does not realize the expec4
tation held' out by the Speech from the Throne, that the Esti-
mates would appear to have been prepared with a due regard to
economy.".
Colonel DAVIES said that he concurred in the opinions ex,
pressed by his Hop. Friend, but he should not •oppose the vote
for the numerical amount of the Army, as he feared that wet.
was inevitable, . not. only between France and Spain, but be-
tween France and England.
Sir W. DE CRESPRINY said, he hoped and had reason to
believe that the tear expressed by his Hon. Friend .pmceesiod
entirely from his own imagination.

Lord PALMERSTON said, the motion of the Hon. Mem-
ber, called upon the Mouse to contradict the expressions con-
tained in the speech from the throne merely because he thought
that the first of the various estimates to be laid before the
House, did not show a sufficient reduction in the public expen-
diture. The House could. better form, and more consistently,
express an opinion on the subject, when all the estimates have
been gone through. With regard to the Army Estimates, it
would be in the recollection of the House that lie had last year
stated, there Would probably be an increase in their amount this
year of .50,000/. They were, however, presented to the House,
reduced by 18,0001. It was, in fact, 18,0001. as the Honour.'
able Member would himself see it' he caked them up ; for there
was a misprint of 3,000/. Be was therefore entitled to say, that
the Army Estimates were presented to the Muse, substantially
reduced by sixty-eight thousand pounds His Right Honour-
able Friend, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, had made his
statement to.the House, on the public affafrs in a general way,
including of course the Ordnance and Miscellaneous Estimates
which arc not yet under the consideration of the House.
.The
reduction he (Lord P.) had just shewn,lonned only apart of the
statement of his Right lion. Friend.
The Amendment was then put and negatived ; and. the Re-
port was brought alp and read. •
On the first Resolution, stating the amount of the Army, •
Mr. BENNET said that he consented to this vote expressly
on account of the peculiar situation of the country. Were h
.not for that peculiar situation, he Should consider the number
of men as considerably too large. -
The Resolution was then agreed to.
The second Resolution, for the amount of the charge for the
Land Forces, was agreed to.
On the Resolution respecting the charges for the Recruiting
Department,'
Colonel DAVIES said the amount of. this Vote was increas-
ed every year, and appeared to increase with the reduction of
our army. He was satisfied that if a differeht mode of carry.
ing on the recruiting departthent were adopted, it would be
rendered much more efficient and less expensive. Since he had
had the honour of a seat in that 'House, he had always con-
donned the present mode, and he Merely mentioned it new,
lest his taciturnity might be understood as an alteretion of his
opinion. In the present vote, there was a considerable charge
for remounting two regiments of cavalry. Ile • wished the
Noble Lord to state what had become 'Of the old horses belong-
ing to those regiments.
Lord PALMERSTON expressed conviction that the pre.
sent mode of conducting the recruiting department, was the
most efficient and least expensive. His conviction had beell
produced by experience. The charges for the present year
appeared to be increased, but in that they were not so, as the
apparent increase arose from the remounting of the two
nients alluded to by the question of the lion. Member. Those
regiments had recently arrived from India, and the expence of
remounting them could, therefore, not fairly be called a part
of the expence of the present year. Tile old horses had been
sold; and -the difference of expence between the amount for
which they sold and the amount of the purchase afresh horse's
was all that had been-charged in the'Estirmites. - •
Mr. BI NNET suggested tri* the Noble Lord. the propriety
of removing the most intolerable nuisance of the Life and
Horse Ouards being allowed to exercise in the Parkft, to the
• great disturbance of persons riding there, and of• those who
lived within sound of their fire arms.
The Resolution was then agreed to.
On the Resolution for a Vote of Supply for Public Depart-
ments,
Mr. HUME said, he thought the whole Establishment
the Audit of Old Accounts ought to be put an end to, the
only efibet of it being to give vexation to the persons on
whom it operated. If °averment had. been negligent in
passing -public accounts, it was not fair to individuals to bring
them in debtors after a lapse of upwards of twenty years.
Mr. T. WILSON concurred in the view taken by the
Member for Aberdeen as to the unfair and vexatious operation
of thii mode of doing public business.

Lord PALMERSTON could only assure the House that
great progress had been made in examining the Accounta
arrears. lie admitted the hardship pointed out by the Mit.
Member who had spoken, and it was in consideration of that
that he had abstained from that rigour which marked the, exa-
mination of accounts of the present day. Thus, where an
accountant was found to admit that he hail a huhu* in hand,
there could be no reason for not informing the claimant.--
Where also a charge was made, obviously with a view to fraud,
the means of recovering it were not relaxed. But in other
cases the same severity was not observed. As to the expence
of the department, it cost last year 00001., and had recoveref
public money to the.aMourit of 60,000/.—(llear !) The defali,
cations discovered in the accounts of agents were dednctid
from the issues due to diem for the year in which the Wan ces
against them were struck. In this way 4500/. had beer, re-
covered. and 15,0001. in addition had actually been r,aitt'into
the Bunk of England. Ile anticipated an early tern hation to
the labours of this office, but •in the mean time the Weise
would see that the public had no cause of complltim against
it..-.(}lsar

On the Resolution for a Vote for die Irish Volunteer Corps,
Mr. HUME; renewed his objections to the ccuitinuance of the
yeomanry system in Ireland. It was adniitted that the Loki°.
city of these corps were Orangernen, and surely the GOVW:.
ment would not encourage the maintenance of a body who were
bound by oaths to a cause inconsistent with the present polivy
of the adruinistration of affairs in that country. Manytot these
corps, comprising in all, he believed, upwards of thirty drew.
sand men, would not allow a Cathohe Cu enter them, and- thus
it was, that instead of maintaining the peace, they were thetirst
disturbers of it.--(Hear, hear !)—He heard the cheers' of Hem.
_Members, but he asked some of them who cried "Um'," whe..
then they did not know what he said to be true—whether they
diet not know instances in which the yeomanry eorps had been
regarded as the instigators of disorder. IThe Honourable
Member here made some allusion to the Lontiontlerrr.cotpa
of yeomanry, the terms of which we did not diatinctlr.h444.l
—lle asked the Attorney-General for Ireland, 'whether these
men had not treated him, in effigy, with every indignity ,on
account of his acting in a manner which marked his hose-
lily towards Orange principles.; Be believed they were more
opposed to the Government than not,—and tee asked, whe.
ther this was a fit state of things In which these men ought to be
allowed to have arms in their hands? He knew the utility
of these corps of yeomanry when they were first embodied,
but the time was passed for that, and they ought nu lonost to
be encouraged. Ife took that opportunity of saying, OW he
had been mistaken relative to a motion he bed givennotiee'of
for the 30th April. It had been supposed from that notice that
he wished to remove the Marquis Wellesley from Ireland. His
intention, however, was quite the reverse, and he hopfd
would long remain there. His object was, to hare certain re.
golations made relative to the' Noble, Marquissl/2 successor,
whomsoever he might be. • Now with -regard to these yeo.
manry cops, he hoped his Majesty's Government:would let
the Bill with respect to theft ewe., and for that purpose he
should propose an Amendinent, which would Ho to cut oirthci,
fromun
Je next, at which period the Bill naturally ex-
pired, Ilr was sorry-the late Secretary for Itels,ol was not in
the llouse, ter he was sure they would have heard from., hint
that he woe adverse.o 0010 corps et)Plln'std " thangtor***