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THE R.A J 'OF SATTARA.

INDIAThe HOUSE.—TUESDAY.
adjourned debate on the above case was come
"Leneed this day by
Colonel Colonel SYKES, who said he did not intend long 0
ey the Court, but wished to make a few observations
ru the charges brought against the Raja by some
Proprietor who had taken part in ' the debate. It
by
wasimputed to the Raja as crimes that he was actuated
tc overweening pride of ancestry, and deep ingratitude
those who had placed him on the throne ;---over-
seek..
"Ig. pride, which led him to entertain views
ialraleal to the British Government in India. He trusted
that many in the Court had seen a book lately published,
thenetitied " The Commoners of Great Britain." In it
Y would see that the people of this country had as
teat a pride of ancestry as any people in the world.
,%s that, then, which in this country was thought a jus-
',,attble 'pride, to be considered in India as a crime ?
General Briggs had told them that even when the
finds
was a prisoner in the fort of Sattara, in the
1h inter
of his usurping servant, care was taken to
that
carefullyple. His servant, who was then upon
,Littarite:tst:eh,rornteo,kept him surrounded with all the
sty of state. Nay, even the Peishwa himself was
,„o,qed to come to him as the descendant of the house
12tahratta for investiture. Nay even the Indian Gru-
a;:fment itself did him homage so far as was in their
cr.er, for when they seated him on the throne,- it
done with all the pomp and pride of
ciietal7 show. That was not confined to the period ; for
at.r,t or ten years afterwards, upon the occasion when
1,T;44,1a paid a visit to Poona, at the time when he (the
103-,°nel)▪ was present, he saw the Raja received as a
toregn Prince. All the troops were turned out, with
te• Llphinstone at their head, and the Raja was re-
thi!ed with royal honours. He said, therefore, that if
ine Indian Government had not promoted that feel-
fi of pride which the Prince had a right to
beeertain, they, had at least nourished it. But
:I_l_3e he entertained those feelings, did it follow
fee,. matter of°° course that he must necessarily entertain
'tags hostil t the Indian Government, and that he
latist
co, deeply imbued with ingratitude? Let them
risider taj and the relation in which he stood with
tes when he was placed upon the throne. The autho-
e,,? of his family had been usurped by a rebellious ser-
tts7t, who, having quarrelled with the English, as was
dida+l' and would always be, failed in the contest. What
Pre,""e Indian Government do then ? They set the lawful
sphi,"iee Upon the throne ; but did they give back the
barite of his territories ? They did not ; they gave him
aot A °,nlY a part of that which had been his inheritance ;
ha:4llY so, but some of the forts which were peculiarly
lent'resting in the history of the family were kept from
Liaitt But so far from showing any ingratitude, he sub-
qtitked calmly and patiently to the tutelage imposed upon
Elm. I the treaty—he submitted without a murmur to
guidance of Captain Grant and those other officers
Whoeo followed him as Residents at the Court of Sat-
Ifek.2,(Hear.) So far from showing any ingratitude,
had always expressed the 'utmost good will towards
; his country had been governed with
ekrismanlike ability, with great financial prosperity,
lekwith the utmost satisfaction to the people under
lat Ile would now come to the treaty entered
of
with the Raja. The first article of the treaty
itse; the schedule annexed to it part of ' the treaty
ski
In the schedule, certain places were named as
ski FL granted " exclusive of Jagheerdars," and at the
hose there was the expression 4. together with." Now, if
etr,.expressions did not mean to include all the Jag-
The(l„;trs, he did not know what they meant at all.
t„itaja was, however, a much better interpreter of
he Z, sh than many in the Court appeared to be. Well,
ferits seated upon his throne; one of our officers inter-
tkitV with his sovereignty. A reference, of course, was
ecr"te to the Government of Bombay ; the Government sup-
ed its officer ; an appeal was made to the higher (au-
a: ties, and, much to the honour of the Court of Direct-
seiau order was sent out, as he understood (for he had not
they•,the despatch), disapproving of the proceedings of
the „'"u hay Government. Had that Government obeyed
tvoePer orders of the supreme authority, that Court
tent never have been troubled with the pre-
embarrassing question.(Cries of " Hear, hear.")
at
ta"sfied was the Court with the conduct of the Raja
est toktitne, that they sent him that which was the great-
--karae,n of respect which a Prince in India could receive
which et,Y, a sword ; but in consequence of the disputes
did not utr,existed, it had never been presented. But
sent, and Raja know well enough of the intended pre-
Gekeraltit tit had arrived in the country ?
Colonel ,°nwtex—l told him myself.
sentat "'rxEs—And of course the non-pre-
i apniy, on must have deeply influenced his mind
z, plat ° Bombay Government. He corn-
bet of his grievances over and over again,
ohte'"Lng a period of two years, he had been unable to
In even an answer. lie then said to himself as an
ellourable-minded man would, " I can get no justice
de, al
I will send my agents to England—l will make my
de, al to the supreme authority, and I cannot then
1,-;' to obtain justice." It was true the Resident
-Ned him, but what was that warning ? It was
of
with
for corresponding with deposed Rajas nor
of,_ the Portuguese Viceroy. It was warning him
t lie might run into danger by acting against the advice
e,,,he Resident. Matters went on this way for years.
e e whole country was aware of the situation in which
to stood, and did not that situation afford an opportunity
the .
itti enemies of the Raja, which they were too cunning
Auld to escape. It had' been denied that any motives
tvra he assigned for the persecution of the Raja. He
at at least. One was the fact of the
t lieera'feelingg of hatred attached to him throughout
whole Brahmin caste, because the Peishwa who was
tlels°,,sed was a Brahmin, and the Raja who ascended the
tiee',te was a Mahratta. But there was another mo-
t '3eale years after he ascended the throne there was
ratent dispute between Purooes, who claimed to be
lost rains, and the Brahmins, who repudiated them.
lesasiti unhappily for the Raja he took part against the
and rendered them still more his enemies.
wttts there was a still stronger motive. Unfortunately. it
Anse personal personal feeling of revenge of an individual.
of
fours we put the Raja on the throne, there was an officer
tn who had contrived to make himself peculiarly use-
nist Government, and he coveted the place of Mi-
tloi:r to the Raja. The Raja, who was well aware of the
they,s of that individual during the last twenty years in
;:seem, refused to receive him or to give him any of
tt confidence. Here, then, were three distinct and
40ng Motives for the movement made against the.Raja.
des
this time there was a general feeling, both in the
there of the Government and the people of India, that
t was a movement of a very extensive nature through
werla against our authority, and he believed inquiries
hay going on throughout India, from Calcutta to Bom-
reetil;rens the Himalayas to —, and our agents were
thin 41. 9060nm/ekes, they were ready to swallow any-
iatog,against the Raja of Sattara. He would not enter
htit the question of the guilt or innocence of the Raja ;
heekslPPose he had be( n guilty of all the charges that had
follo,";(alght against him, what were the consequences to
" r He comic unicated with the Raja of Nagpore.
that 1. ,"▪ ":as the Court aware that the audience chamber of
ti, rinee was a court-yard 20 feet by 10--that he was
of serer in srch a state of destitution that the present
i▪
ieez",air of shoes sent by the Raja was a welcome, if not
"ia er-ssar., gift ? Many denied that the natives of In-
the, ha persons of a high moral class ; they denied that
d any magnanimity, fortitude, or nobleness.
ha ,
lo' 'e Prince was in prison in
.a state of utter desti-
kitip, when the Governor-General of India;' with .the
himness of disposition which had ever c aracterised
in hoeffered to restore him to liberty and tain him
are egePeudence. The answer of the Prince w. s, " There
ton tl,;t t" ways, a throne or a prison ; I prefer a pri-
tliat- Protection from those who have dethromd me."
k) man had since died in his poverty, and he (Colonel
i meonsidered that he had shown as much magnanimity
tio4 Y hero of antiquity. With regard to the Goa ques-
e.o,„every one had a right to think as he pleased, and of
erne every one's opinion would be formed upon hs im-
Wl%l of the authenticity of the documents. The
ItlnZas a man of acknowledged abilities. Was it at
arivrely that he would enter into a treaty with
iceroy for the supply of thirty thousand troops,
kith
whole standing army was three hundred men ?
eat. respect to the other charge, tampering
.with the
tiatLve officers, he recollected two instances in which
Ikkte officers had told their superiors that they had
h,
,tampered with. One of the cases happened to
fole;tf, while in the command of a regiment ; and he,
trPlag, in the footsteps of a brother officer, refused
,Ilitalnee to the tale, until the money was brought which
tiae „"nen paid as the price of treachery. Those two men
tielenleceil each five thousand rupees, and they were
te,„-Y rewarded. Now was it not just age that the
Ita, native officers who brought the charge inst the
'night be stimulated by the hope of reward ?
tle-r,ver, in spite of the absurdity of the charge,
'tlQ.,,-`aja was deposed. He had the highest regard
fer -eVect for Sir James Carnac. • No one could doubt
nlonient his integrity of purpose, and his kindly
let,,n tgs towards the natives of India,_ but upon this
t°ll he thought him wrong ; and he regretted that
had not shown as much forbearance towards the
./)1";14" he had towards another potentate. It was quite
titeat:nt that Sir James had never contemplated the ul-
%how„ measures which he bad recourse to, as was.clearly
hy his minutes. The memorandum which the
Ja :v whlah called upon to sign contained a preamble, in
was set forth all the charges .brought against the
si,a4 a e truth of which he was required to confess. It
tins
which no man of proper feeling or sen-
thn Soh sign, without acknowledging his guilt. But
Ras - article had not yet -been alluded to, and it
It esal-crh a monstrous one, that he was astonished
propounded er found its way into a document
he
by an English Government. By it
wards had to guarantee the property, pension, re-
the t,: B,e, not of his friends and supporters, but of
toetiesonable eoncoctors of those plots. It was an as-
was i_ng proposition, and one to which no man who
tea d:nocieinsttheorounlde ;
possibly agree. He could not sign
to veceierle.nt- Only one alternative was offered to him,
sett:t t
and he did it like a gentleman,
the o aside his being a Prince. He was now come to
taxa:rest:ion of the deposition. A body of soldiers
,teere-eed°liihis palms in the middle of the night, and
rttkin m off without any preparation, yet not one
1'ear.)1413,,r3', document was found behind him.—(Hear,
'euihkrr he whole subject had been very considerably
teteirt assed by the substitation of another in his place—
titled whitely, too
, that other was not one who was en-
11r43,11)itoutelae distinction, for they had it upon the autho-
ral L "Fru Briggs, General Robertson, and of Ge-
eOurt udwiek,—that, while they were Residents at the
Ithletk tlif Raja, he made distinct overtures to
supplantnot his brother.—(Hear; hear, hear.)
Juis
Jell. was agree in the latter part of the resolution
ved , oposed, because the proceedings having re-
`o"f
Control,
nction of the Board of Directors and of the
ea
fVirto that 11
o.l,thor eotilodntirioel, even if carried, would be nugatory.
because it
agree to the amendment,
al it, he a the proceedings were ended. By voting
4 tho ,a would be placing the question in the tomb of
mots, wtuch he was not at all disposed to do.
"*" Azious that room should be left for, if not re.

storing, at all events ameliorating, the condition of the
Raja. He thought that the arguments advanced in fa-
vour of the Raja had been untouched. He lamented
what hal occurred, but being called upon at that mo
ntent to pronounce a- verdict upon the conduct of the
Raja, he would say, "Not guilty, upon his honour."—
(Cheers.)
Sir R. CAMPBELL, from the declaration made by the
Gallant Colonel during his speech, that he would abstain
from the consideration of the guilt or innocence of the Raja,
had not expected such a declaration as that with which
hb finished. As to the fact of no criminatory documents
having been found after the Raja left his palace, it was to
be recollected that Sir James Carnac had distinctly told
him what would be the consequences of his refusing to
sign the memorandum. Knowing as he did what would
be those consequences, it was not likely that he would
I leave behind any documents that would prove his guilt.
He wished, with all his heart and soul, that the question
had never been brought before them ;,but it having come
under consideration they were bound to meet it fear-
lessly. If there was anything more than another that
he regretted it was the proposition made by his esteemed
friend Sir James Carnac to leave the Raja upon the
throne, convinced, as he must have been, that he was
guilty ; but, of course, that arose from the extreme kind-
ness of his heart, of which they were all aware. He
would now give them the opinion of General Robertson
upon the probable guilt of the Raja.
." The re N)rd of transactions, and the correspondence
of the successive Residents, however, show that the Raja
never did, in fact, abandon the pretensions against which
so much pains were taken to guard. It was not very
long after taking the management of the country into his
own hands, that he exhibited by overt acts his assump-
tion of the character and functions of titular head of
the Mahrattas, and violated the restrictions expressly
framed to restrain such assumption. That the conduct
of the Raja, in these respects, was regarded by the suc-
cussive Residents as of a nature to lead to the loss of his
dominion, is shown by the warnings which each of them
had occasion to give him. Colonel Briggs, in making
known to Government certain reports he had received of
the .Raja's secret communications with the Raja of Kola-
pore (at a time when the local Government was in a state
of collision with that chief), and of his encouraging
some of the Jagheerdars in their apparent disposition
to recognise his supremacy, writes prophetically of the
tendency of his proCeedings to produce the calamity
which has actually fallen upon him ; for, after adverting
to the above-stated information, he adds
T.

" These reports are very likely to be true. They
need, however, create no suspicion in the mind of the
Government as to the fidelity and attachment of the
present Raja, who, I most sincerely believe, has too
much good sense ever to be engaged, directly or indi-
rectly, in a war with this Government. He is, however,
extremely tenacious of his prerogative, and will every
day more and more resist our control. He has lately
been flattered by those around him with an erroneous
•estirhate of his own importance, and he has clearly
evinced strong inclinations to extend his connexions
beyond the limits prescribed by treaty. It will be for-
tunate, perhaps, for his Highness himself, if events
afford to .the Bombay Government an early opportunity
to give him timely warning, or I should be very appre-
hensive that he may succeed in involving himself in
secret communications with those who may, at some
future period, provoke the resentment of Government,
when it is likely a development of a system of intrigue
with his Highness may take place, which will altogether
shake our confidence, and may tend to his ultimate
ruin."
And again in section 14 were these words :
"It appears from the correspondence, that when the
Goa intrigue was made known to the Resident, Colonel
(now Major-General) Robertson, that officer, although
he attached no importance to the intrigue itself (no
doubt from its manifest absurdity), and entertained no
suspicion of any hostile designs on the part of the Raja,
yet deemed it proper to represent its impropriety to the
Baja, with the warning, that the prosecution of it would
involve him in great difficulty, and be the ruin of the
Maharaj and the Raj : and a similar warning was subse-
quently conveyed to him by General Robertson's suc-
cessor, Colonel (now Major-General) Lodwick, who in-
timated to him that the fate of Bajee Row would be his
own."—(Hear, hear.)
Now it was clear that these gentlemen were convinced
of the guilt of the Raja, and he would ask Hon. Gentle-
men whether any other inference could be drawn from
the extracts he had just read.— (Hear, hear, hear.)
And Mr. Grant Duff, who called himself the friend of
the Raja, stated in his despatch of the 21st March, 1819,
that he was even then an adept in intrigue. Such was
his character when even a very young man. It was
evident that the Raja was aiming at an extension of
dominion—that from the time he had been placed upon
the throne he had wielded his sovereighty to the best
purposes, he was willing to admit; but any persons who
carefully perused these documents must come to the
conclusion that he entertained designs inimical to the
British Government which had placed him on the throne.
These were his conscientious convictions. It was
alleged that the Raja had not had a fair trial, but
although he had not what might be called a judicial
trial; every opportunity had been afforded him of re-
butting the charges; and, looking at the high character of
the men composing the Council of Bombay, he could not
for a moment suppose that they would have acted or
decided without the fullest conviction of his innocence.—

(Hear, hear.) It must be assumed also that these gen-
tlemen, being on the spot, had better means of judging
than themselves. He regretted that a man who seemed
so well disposed to promote the interests of his subjects
should have been led into these treasonable designs.
With reference to the Government of Goa, it was of

little importance that the force was contemptible—the
Raja had evidently become the tool of cunning and de-
signing intriguers who cared for nothing but their
own emoluments ; but it was clear that these men had in-
duced him to believe that he could effect great objects.
He held in his hand a letter from Dr. Wilson, a highly
respectable resident of Bombay, who was connected
with the Missionary Society, and that gentleman, who
was known to some of the Hon. Proprietors present,
writing to the Surveyor-General, said that when he was
in Goa in 1837 he had seen the Governor and his staff
riding on splendid horses sent him as a present by the
Raja of Sattara, with a message requesting his aid in
turning the English out of his territory. Now he be-
lieved that gentleman was incapable of stating anything
erroneous. But the simple question the Court had to
decide was, was the Raja guilty or not ?—(Hear, hear.)
He gave every Hon. Gentleman who had spoken credit
for his conscientious convictions, and he hoped he would
be allowed the same ; and when he saw such men as
General Robertson, General Briggs, and General Lod-
wick, all concurring in opinion that the Raja had been
intriguing, and that it was necessary to remove him—
when he knew that the Raja had some reason to com-
plain of the conduct of the Bombay Government with
respect to the Jagheers, he could not doubt that such
was the case. It was unnecessary for him to occupy the
time of the Court by reading extracts to establish that
point. They would all, he was satisfied, bear testimony,
to the calmness and deliberation with which Mr. Elphin-
stone had reviewed the whole question, and his conclu-
sion was that the Raja was guilty. Under these circum-
stances he should feel it his duty to vote for the amend-
ment. His Hon. Friend who had last spoken was neither
for the motion nor the amendment. He was neither one
thing nor the other; and although he did not like to make
use of such a comparison, it reminded him of the pre-
dicament of the animal between two bundles of hay.—
(Hoar, hear.) Ho should conclude by expressing his
determination to vote for the amendment.
Mr. TWINING said, after the great length to which the
proceedings had extended, and which was unprecedented
except on the question of the renewal of the Charter, he
was strongly induced to compress his observations into
as small a compass as possible. It was difficult, however,
to abstain from quoting the opinions of gentlemen who
were so well acquainted with the subject, and who had
so closely investigated every point. The question they
had to discuss was nothing less than the deposition of a
Prince who was believed to be inimical to them, and he
deeply regretted that there should have been any neces-
sity for such a step. There had been a variety of argu-
ments used in that Court to prove the innocence of the
Raja—much more than had been advanced to establish
his guilt. The deliberate opinions of men who had coolly
and calmly investigated the matter were recorded in these
documents, and among them was the name of Mr. Tucker,
a tower of strength in himself, who entertained strong
doubts of the Raja's guilt. Such opinions coming from
such men might well make them doubt. He would,
however, refer them to Mr. Edmonstone's evidence—a
man for whom the greatest respect and veneration was
entertained by all pasties. Mr. Edmonstone says—
" That he did assume such pretensions has been con-
clUsively shown by the record of events and transactions;
and that he violated the letter of the restrictions of the
fifth article, declared to be fundamental, and to the
breach of which was annexed the forfeiture of his domi-
nion, is unquestionable, and indeed is not denied by him-
self : he only strives to vindicate it."
Now, however, he regretted the necessity that existed
for the steps that had been taken, he did not think, under
all the circumstances they could have acted otherwise.
If he had reason to think any hostility to the Raja ex-
isted in the mind of Sir James Carnae, he should have
regretted it ; but on the contrary, Sir James had taken
no steps but those of kindness and consideration for the
position in which the Raja had placed himself. After the
decisions that had been come to by, the Government of
Bombay, and the Governor-General. of India, upon the
question, it appeared to him that it would place them in a
very extraordinary and difficult position to come ftirward
now, and upset their proceedings. It was right also they
should bear in mind the great responsibility that attached
to the Governor-General. They all knew the blfitne
that would attach to him if he neglected avaiiitig him-
self of the information that was laid before him. Now
the charges and allegations that were made being of a
political character, and involving the stability of the
British Government, there was the same reason for ex-
ercising the greatest caution. It was said that the wit-
nesses had not been cross-examined, but he believed such
a step was not suitable to the character of the natives of
India.—(Hear, and cries of " No.") He had no wish
to find the Raja guilty, but they were all entitled to pro-
nounce an opinion as to the policy and justice of the
course that had been pursued. It was a matter deeply
to be regretted that the question of the Jagheers had not
been taken up and probed to the bottom when discontent
was first evinced by the Raja. But as to treating
schemes and plots with indifference, because they
were absurd and disproportioned to the objects
aimed at, was in his opinion extremely injudicious. Even
in that country they had seen instances of men bringing
forward the most absurd plans with very inadequate
means, and that did not appear to him to be a sufficient
ground for acquitting the Raja of any breach of faith,
As to the question of the Raja's jewels and revenue he
did not pretend to understand it fully, but he thought
that whatever was necessary for his comfort in his pre-
sent position should be allowed him.—(Hear, hear.) It
was satisfactory to know that as far as regarded the disc
eussion of the question in that Court ample justice had
been done to the Raja. Even in the absence of the HoU,
Baronet (Sir C. Forbes), by whom the question bad

been brought forward, it had been ably and powerfully
advocated. There was one point, however, connected
with the discussions that had taken place which might
be attended with inconvenience hereafter—he meant
the publication of despatches and documents of a private
and secret character, and which were circulated, not
only throughout England, but would be transmitted' to
India.—(Hear, hear.) If he was called upon to tn-o-
flounce an opinion, he must say that he felt himself jus-
tified in supporting the amendment of the Hon. Deputy-
Chairman. The act had been done after due delibera-
tion by those upon whom that responsibility rested,
and to disturb it now would only be to increase the evil.
In conclusion he would observe that if the question of
the Jagheers was still unsettled, he trusted that it would
not be lost sight of, but that it would be brought to a
speedy and satisfactory termination, by which they would
guard against the chance of these evils again occurring.
The measure having received the sanction of the Court
of Directors—not unanimously certainly, but still by, a
large majority—it having also received the sanction of
the Board of Control, he thought, as a member of that
Court, he was bound to vote for the amendment.—(Hear,
hear.)
In answer to Mr. POYNDER, .

The CliainmaN said it was the anxious wish of the
Directors that the debate should close that night, and he

had_ no objection to sit till twelve o'clock for that pur-
pose.
Captain COGAN said, so far as the decision of the Raja
of Sattara was concerned, in regard to the propositions
that had been made to him, he fully approved of hia
Highness's conduct, and was proud of the part he had
acted.7-7(Hear,) He thought his conduct in rejecting
these terms was highly honourable, and was strong evi-
dence in itself of his innocence.—(Hear, hear.) There
was one matter of a personal nature which he was anxious
to clear up. It had been stated that a present of 2,500
rupees had been sent him by the Raja, but the fact was,
he had obtained a statement from the parties in Bom-
bay, to whom that money had been transmitted, show-
ing how it had been disposed of, for so far as he was
concerned, he had never touched it. An application had
been made to him to go to Sattara, and the money had
been sent by the Raja to pay his travelling expenses, but
he had declined to receive it, expressing his determina-
tion to pay the ',expenses out of his own pocket. The
money was then lodged in the banker's bands at Bom-
bay, where it still remained, and the original letter con-
taining these statements was in his hands now, and was
at the service of any Hon. Proprietor who might wish to
look at it.—(Hear, hear.) Again, with regard to Dr.
Milne, whose name had been most unwarrantably mixed
up in these despatches, and who had been most unjustifi-
ably attacked.
A PROPRIETOR said the attacks had not been made in
that Court, and therefore it was unnecessary to allude to

them.
Captain COGAN proceeded. He had been the bearer
of a letter from Mr. Hume to Don Manoel, who it was
understood was in correspondence with the vakeels of the
Raja of Sattara. The answer of Don Matioel was that
he did not believe the British Government could be seri-

ous in believing that any treasonable correspondence
existed, and as to the 30,000 men to be furnished by

him, it was well known that he could not furnish 3,000
or 300.—(Hear, hear.) He had shown Don Manoel
copies of the letters supposed to be written by him and
he had laughed at them, declaring that they were fabri-
cations, and that he knew nothing whatever of them.
That was the substance of his interview with Don
_

Manuel, and there could be no doubt of the truth
of the statements made by that nobloman. He

had perused the documents tluit had been laid before the
Court with as much deliberation and attention as any
other Hon. Members, and his decided conviction was
that the Raja was as innocent of any treason against the
British Government as any of the Hon. Gentlemen who
had signed his condemnation.—(Hear, hear.) Now the
opinions of the Government and of these gentlemen had
been quoted, but it should be remembered that they were
sitting as a Court of Appeal, and that the judgment of
the former Judges had nothing to do with their decision.
It was upon that evidence they were to decide, and he would
ask where was there any evidence of the Raja's guilt ?
—(Hear, hear.) He regretted to find that Sir J. Hob-
house had made up his mind before hearing what the
evidence was, and had declared his determination to
support the East India Company and the Government of
India, whether right er wrong.—(Hear, hear.) The
Hon. Proprietor then referred to the refusal of the Sat-
tara Commissioners to allow the witnesses to be cross-
examined, and contended that such a proceeding was a
gross violation and outrage of all justice, and that it
was the duty of the Government to direct the suspen-
sion of the two Commissioners, Mr. Willoughby and Gen.
Ovans, till an investigation into their conduct had taken
place. After some observations upon the conduct and
character of Ballajee Punt, and declaring that so far
from his (Captain Cogan's) having been a paid agent
of the Raja, he had never, until the last two or three
months, when he had assisted the unfortunate Vakeels
who had come over to that country, touched a single '
rupee of the Raja's money, Captain Cogan concluded
by expressing his determination to vote in favour of the
motion of his Hon. Friend.
After a few words from Mr. WARDEN, in explanation,
Mr. SALOMONs rose to speak to the amendment.
Mr. WEEDLNG rose to order. The Hon. Proprietor
had already addressed the Court, and, therefore, he con-
sidered him out of order in attempting to make a second
speech.
The CHAIRMAN said the Hon. Proprietor (Mr. Salo-
mans) was perfectly in order. His former speech had
been on the motion, and he had not yet spoken on the
amendment, which, according to the rules of the Court,
he had a right to do.—(Cheers.)
Mr. SALOMONS had no intention of again going over
the subject,- but would confine himself strictly to the
amendment. With regard to the allegations of the first
part of the motion there could be no doubt. There could
be no doubt that the allegations contained in the first
part of the motion were undeniable. It was undeniable
that the Raja had not had an opportunity of defending
himself. It was not denied that he had been called on
to sign a document acknowledging that he had been
guilty of the crimes imputed to him. It could not be
denied that he had been dispossessed of his throne on
his refusal to sign such a document.—(Hear, hear.)
These facts had been so clearly admitted, that it was a
work of supererogation to make any remarks upon
them. He believed the fact was, that the reason why
the Raja had never had an opportunity of replying to
the charges against him, arose entirely from the unfor-
tunate death of Sir Robert Grant, because Sir Robert
Grant's minutes proved that he had;always intended that
the Raja should have an opportunity of replying to the
charges before proceeding to punish him, and it was
only owing to the accidental appointment of Sir James
Carnac to the Presidency, who was presumed to be in
possession of everything relating to the case before he
left England, that the Raja had been deprived of that op-
portunity. The Governor-General intended that he
should have an opportunity of replying to the charges.
Sir R. CA.MPBELL was understood to deny this state-
ment.
Mr. SALOMONS would appeal tb the minute of Mr.
Shakespear. He really must say that they were quite
as capable of judging of the evidence which had been so
handsomely placed upon the table by the Court of Di-
rectors, and he thought the Court would be deviating
from strict justice, if they did judge according to that
evidence alone.—(Hear, hear.) With regard to the
placing Appa Sahib on the throne, there could be no
doubt but that the Governor-General did not approve of
the proceedings, but he threw the whole responsibility
upon the Government of Bombay, who, he imagined,
had obtained the opinion of the Court of Directors upon
he subject. The Government of Bombay had two
courses to pursue. The first was to put Appa Sahib on
the throne ; the other to abridge the military power of
the Raja. Sir James Carnac did not adopt the mild
punishment, but when the Raja refused to sign the do-
cument, he proceeded at once to the heaviest punish-
ment which it was in his power to inflict. He now came
to the amendment. If the Directors had said that there
were great State reasons, which had induced them
to depose the Raja without giving him a trial,
which reasons they. could not publish, as the publi-
cation of them might be detrimental to the public
service if some such amendment as that had
been brought forward, it might have been a most
unreasonable mode of proceeding. But what did they
say ? They said that it would be inexpedient for the
Court of Proprietors to interfere with the decision of the
Court of Directors. A more uncourteous amendment
had never been placed before the Court of Proprietors.
When the question was first brought before the Court
of Proprietors in February, 1840, supported only by un-
official documents, it might be very fair for the Directors
to say to the Court of Proprietors, "You have not yet seen
the evidence in this case. We have seen it ; we are at pre-
sent engaged in 'the investigation : we ask you to trust
to your responsible Executive, and therefore consider it
inexpedient for the Court of Proprietors to interfere at
present." But, after the Proprietors had had an opportu-
nity of looking over all the documents, on which the
Court of 'Directors had decided ; after seeing the diffe-
rence of opinion which existed among the Directors
themselves on the subject, it was rather too much for
the Directors to come forward with an amendment, not
stating any public grounds, but merely declaring that it
was inexpedient that the subject should be entertained
by the Court of Proprietors.----(Bear, hear.) He had a 1
ways stood up for the rights of the Court of Pro-
prietors-=(Rear)--because he believed the maintenance
of those rights was necessary in order to enable
them to give that support and assistance to the Court of
Directors which they might require ? But he would
ask had the Court of Proprietors no duty to perform ?
What constituted the East India Company ? Not the
Court of Directors but the Court of Proprietors—
(Cheers)—and he was convinced that their harmonizing
together was the best security for the peace of India.
Had the Court of Proprietors ever shown a disposition
unduly to interfere or intermeddle with the Government
of India, or with any other matters beyond their cogni-
zance ?--(Cheers.) But in a case like the one under dis-
cussion he would ask if it was not the duty of the Court
or Proprietors to interfere, and he thought that the in-
terremlce on 04airt of proprietors could not but
produce a great effect, not only on Court of Direc-
t
tors, but on the Board of Control, -ant: even on ar . ,
meat itself.—(Loud cheers.) Their opinion shout(' -e
listened to, and he trusted it would have due weight,:
(Cheers.) The Directors said that the Court of I'ro-
prietors could not altei any of their decisions after those
decisions had received the sanction of the Board of
Control. That was perfectly true, and it would be exceed-
ingly wrong to attempt to overrule their decisions, but the
motion attempted nothing of the sort ; it simply recom-
mended the Courtof Directors to revise their decision,
and the Court had the power to express its censure or
approval of the conduct of the Court of Directors, or to
recommend to them any course which the Proprietors
might think should be adopted.—(Loud cheers.) What
had Mr. Charles Grant, now Lord Glenelg, said, at the
time of the renewal of the Charter ? He referred more
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