The Sun.
London, England, 1841-05-28 00:00:00

MORNING EDITION";

were to go before the country on sub a vote as the
cliiraer: !
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cut, they would nut hove had an opportunity of d" clay'
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ing their s. iltrrients on the great. subject n w tie° e
public consideration. 'I he question was not whetlier
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side or another sho.ild he in power ; the real quere_lua
at issue was whether a new system of financial policy sn°_74
or should rot be adopted. There were many gentlemen--a'•
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he had spoken to some of them within the last ,ix houis—lgt
approved of the comoercial measures of the Goverementtliw
seized that they had no confidence in three who blow:lit
Gentle,
forward.—( Hear, hear, en tie Opposition b'nclies.) . see_
men opposite were angry because the Goveinment had I.oras,
stalled ihem. They said, hitherto when the Government
beery in difficulties, it has been in the habit of applYing,et .0
for assistance, but now it has taken a step in aav_...aljed
it'tlf. It has proposed that which we had i teu,sa
to propose when we should come into office. We .14;
not any idea that the Government possessed such spiraiit
we must intelfere at once, and crush them with a vote of 11,e
of confidence. Such was the conduct of Gentlemen oppo?!4'
they approved of the measures as measures, but theY Ir.
proved of them because they were brought forward be her ad
jesty's Government. He had been rejoiced to hear the ,w,tea
tons itutional in the Right Hon. Baronet's speech, anel
listened with attention to the Right. Hon. Baronet's eilsisll'iee
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of constitutional principles ; but the Right Hon. BaroneteLj
stead of speaking of the old Constitution of King, Lords!„l2.
Commons, had intioduced a new constitutional law of
1•-ii-:bit
liareentary usage. The Right Hon. Baronet might be rto
that there were two constitutional laws, one of Queen, "'
sod Commons, and the other of Parliamentary wars'
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but if the doctrine of the Right Hon Baronet, as 1
Parliamentary usage, were to be carried out to its full eatesent,
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they might perhaps come back to those scenes of former trot
in which an ancestor of his (Sir H. Fleetwood) had aelle
part when the mace was ordered to be taken off the table of
House.—(Loud cheers and laugher from the OK° tbe
' benches.) lie would now allude to the distressed state dtheir
town which he represented; however they might differ.lo c.,
political (pin ens, when they came to consider the distress ee,
.sting in the neighbourhood with which they were more liale..„
diately connected they all felt like true hearted Englishmen'_,
(Cheers.) He had been the other day speaking with a,a
tleman of Conservative politics and a warm supporter 0 Lad
Noble Lord the Membet for North Lancashire, and 11, „0
told that gentleman that in presenting a petition to that 010;0
he (Sir H. Fleetwood) had stated that there were from 10';",
to 1,250 houses, which had been in the occupation of ma
nufacturing labourers, untenanted in Preston, and
eeet 01
gentleman had told him that he had not at all exagge';lo
the number. The people were in the greatest distress, 4.,
was cramped, and the whole population was in the most 111_„k1
able conditi n. The manufacturers were sinking, and erti,
not catitend with foreign countries. He had asked that Or
tleman's opinion of the measures recently proposed by her„d irs'
jesty's Government, and the reply was the measures are g 7„
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themselves, but I cannot support them because I have nn (sir
decree in the Government. —( Opposition cheers.) He 'lttes
H. Fleetwood) always looked to the value of the meal
use
themselves, and, therefore, he should support them, heelfie
he was satisfied they were for the ben; fit of the country.
..,ea
now came to the question of the Poor-law, which had attreTer,
general atten:ion It had been made the foundation deo
rated attacks upon her Majesty's Government ; fir bit be
part he had always voted against the New Poor-law, Wier s
did not comprehend how it could be matte the ground '"enie
party- attack on the Gove:nment, when the Right Hon. Blretie,
opposite had uniformly voted with the Noble Lord in its fallen,
Allusion had been made to the recent election of an ,
Friend of his as 'ha representative of the town of Notting" • t
—(Loud Oppositi :n cheers.) Now it so happened theses,
meeting on the subject of the Poor-laws which he bad
ast
tended in the winter, allusion had been made to the dicer
way is
way in which the law was administered at Medford, enhile
Nottingham. At Bradford out-door relief was afforded. 'I 0
at. Nott:rgharn it was relused, end the law was administer""
all it' str etriess. When he asked the reason of this ilifft. le!ibia
being made between towns apparently similarly situateßkot.
was told that at Bradford the people had rioted, while at Ihet
ting'eam they had remained quiet. He could only say sto
knowing those circumstances whatever gentleman had 01;41
Nottingham, as the opponent of the new Poor-law, heirost
almost have ventured to have secured him his election.
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contest was not a triumph over her Majesty's Ge ~.
ment; it was a triumph over the new Poor•Int•01
(Hear.) lie rejoiced that the Government had detetr°4o,
to give up the Poor-law, and to bring forward the Coro" to
He was convinced, and any Hon. Gentleman connected ; •
I aucashire would bear him out in t e ass r ion, that at the f tee
suing election the question both of the Corn-law and foe
Poor-law would be strictly canvassed. —( Hear, hear. ) fest'
was 110 man of liberal politics who entertained the least-fop
for his seat except as regarded the question of the Poor-
He thought the Noble Lord had committed a great error lw,
siding the Bill into two parts. —( Loud cries of " Quelsrli
Ths
question !" in which the voice of Mr. Round was rartieee
audible.) He was not going away from the question. toe
Right Hon. Baronet, in the course of his speech, had pe;:.o.e.
I ,rly alluded to the Poir-law in connexion with the 'boat
law, and he was convinced that at every election throug• 0
the country que.Aii.ll3 would be put to the candidates ai.f,
their sentiments regarding the Poor-law and the Corn;„
_(• • Question !") With regard to the fixed duty of B'l'oo
posed to be levied on corn, he would at once concede that iii the ,
of scarcity such a duty could not be levied—(Cheers froletty.o
Opposition )—but it struck him that the rate of duty lose
matter of miiior cons:ceration. Our manufacturers sentlitlA
goods to foreign countries, and could not receive their efi ieee
exchange, because, in consequence of the present mode oft ,re
posing the duty, it was impossible to form an idea of srestei.
price of corn might be when it arrived in this collo;
Now a fixed duty would enable them to calculate 00
some degree of accuracy at what price he could sell theeois
which he might barter for his manufactures so as toe,!_rist
him to meet his bills. It he were speaking as an aerieu !lb,' le
to his brother agricudurists he would say rather seek t°4oaft
those undue prohibitions under which you
„yourselves I.hel
removed than seek undue protection for your coin. 04
damee
were prohibited from growing tobacco ; if they had
wheat they were obliged to sell that unsound cuff
the consumption of the . people ; because they 'to the
proh lilted by law from malting it, therefore speakillg freof
agriculturists, he would say rather seek to free yourselve! 400
the restrictions which affect you than to enforce restrict bo
on the public at large.--(Hear, hear.) Those had heel josentime,ti long before he had had the has of a set, erh
that House, and he had always said to his far'—die
that, if any alteration were to be matte in illo
Corn-laws, not that he would reduce ,be
rents—(ironical cheers, and cries of " Oh, oh," from-'vs
Opposition)—Gentlemen had better wait for the conchrio
of the sentence—not that he would reduce his rents, but that
would take the lease of the farmer's hands, and take the wh. e
of his stock at the value of it before any alteration in the Lis
laws took place ; and he was perfectly ready to do so, W.' be
wished it to go forth to the public and his tenantry los
was, in the event of any alteration in the be
laws, perfectly willing at any time to do so. Heedta
lieved that in that House they were too much accustonetii
consider measures only with reference to party views and 5-10
tactics, but a time was coming when they would all ha 0
meet their con•tituencies, and to account for their votes,ee 4.•
they might affect party facile!, but as they had affected thaw
neral interests of the country. That was an ordeal thrs,'„?
which he was prepared to pass, and from which h,terl'Oet
all the Members would not shrink. The Hon. P ifa% i
opposite had referred to cases in which, where there thei
majority of 4, 10, and 37, in favour of the Government tlO
had resigned, on the supposition that they did not posse,r-ietri,
confidence of the country. But though the present Wilt ilia
might mot have a majority in the House of Commons• leoeit•
not fellow that they did not possess the confidence of the wool
try.—( Hear, hear.) He did not desire to see a dissfesad•
until the subject of the Corn-laws had been fully clis`;,.. 101
When Hen. Members had had an opportunity of eaP.nrepei
their sentiments on that subject, then would be the .tralOP
time for a dissolution. In nearly all the questions orneod far
recently been discussed in that House, the question offz
ehetr
the suffering people had been introduced ; it was right, 'poi
•• e Ohl '
fore, that should receive the fullest discussion. If thes II
of the Government were not founded upon right princ
re of,
would meet with the fate which usually attended Inelitite the
that description. Let her Majesty's Ministers boldly/ w'
principles by which they were guided, and the counifteetioe
not tail to support them. Their motto at the' next se
should he " Anti- Monopoly," gelOtil
Mr. WALTER said his reasons for supporting there,ll h'-,
which had been proposed were different fr-orn any 4K;
been stated to the House. He did nit altogether di.s%ok 7:,
of the financial schemes proposed by the Government, 047
thought that ne beneficial result could be expected 00°1 00
because of the hasty and abrupt manner in which thili• 10
introduced. Those measures were not deeply rooteuit; fel
minds of those who brought them forward; they sceree'rr
e ififie
the promises of a political death-bed repentaece.—("„`'ihstii
It was on account of the general conduct of Alinistess Anuil
would vote for the resolution. Passing by their hlf-n;gei
infliction of the rural police, and their attempt to slretnl2 Or
stitutionaily the principles of that House, he rested I f
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opposition to them on account of their Poor-law Bill. fro -
the promises made in reference to this Bill had bee", •
It was stated by the Whig Chancellor of the day thelfe,
entertained the notion of separating husband from ,_ d.
parent from child. That, like every other promise, "2 A
violated. The Noble Lord the Member for North lee„, On
North
w"._.s, P• had accused the Government of setting num.— - hip. 1
against property., That was the effect of the Bill, tow
referred ; but it was property that first commenced the, '-ii tbe
and whatever Administration would come into pove"ti)7d
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supported that Biil as the present Government had dPn-',
' would expose themselves to the same condemnation., ijArd:.
I Mr, MACAULAY said ha congratulated the 11°071600,2,':
! net upon obtaining a new ally, who withdrew his eultatem
fi ism Government, on the grounds which had bet Ford
Both on the privilege question, and in relation This eleei“,e
laws, the Hon. Baronet had given the Governtliten' hateyien.fi
support. —( Hear, hear.) He must say that Be Right Nee.
wish some surprise the resolution proposed by the - doicees
Baronet. The Hon. Baronet had thought fit to laYeetoti!oe
' general proposition as to what was the spirit of the olun A
' tion. It was no light matter to place on reesord are eiril
like this ; that their oourse was inconsistent with she
of the Constitution. Great inconvenience might•er.siel
result from it. Even if he fully agreed with theAdleit;
Honourable Baronet in thinking the present . At-- Its"
tration unworthy of the confidence of the 1-10,11,71iteer
could not agree in his general proposition. He rega"'eS cs
an unsound and mischievous dogma. The Hone,Barte- 102;
forth two propositions—the one that her Majesty's 6°l*-eotf
did not sufficiently possess the confidence of the ilsoel,;!ser•-_,O
able them to carry through measures which they ,e-v: p. 1.4
highly important ; the other, that the oontinuance offootit.,o
stry so situated, was contrary to the spirit of the, lllVo
tion. On the latter point he would join issue with the
rie
Honourable Baronet, on the grounds of reason a1id.?:11.1.07,'
First as to the reason of the case. It was, in his Pww
highly inexpedient to affirm a state of things to liitojee,..-
to the spirit of the Constitution which might lats ioevoe t
from which there might be no escape. Keels a stag .•
he believed to - exist at the present time. Let hVeg
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that there were 320 strong and sealous Tories, ands 00 Pro
strong and zealous partizans of a Liberal policy, toesa De
tween these two great parties there arose seieinsoo.oo
eighteen gentlemen who were averse to strong 0,415,5 e
either side, and inclined to oppose any stieasulindet,4Pitt
strongly imprinted with the character of party. eal If
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circumstances, he would like to know how, consist...), oaf,;
the resolution, any Government could be carried on 7 !,,- 1.1 i
Was that an impossible, or was it an improbable ease '001.".
they not had it distinctly before them? rffice the tin t itfl
theriance Irish
to the Regispublictration. That wee a question of woo d
po w
`!l:..are and it would bora/ heedtioo of
that it was a Tlestion on which depended the colistlewooloo
the i-tetr-e,—it was a question on which depended thodt toe
one-sixth of the Members of that House, 2 were .•,e
a returning r question
oh which the great parties in that H 0131,050
NoT.,,‘A. •I he Noble Lord the Member for North .1e,7004
kad brought 'forward a measure which they on autos Pis,
House held to be neoet pernicious, and the Govertt'4ooej
brought
o°l tee measure introduced by Government Lest.e:ll eel
almost . to Raelioeliente while the measure, -_,,...-,;ber OS
been introcliketA by the Noble Lord the 1": civilise
,N,-,‘,11/0,1.4,9caAb• ire was considered by those who " otog „eee
0. lite 4,,,e :is calculated to put an end to elections if list ;ie
Wl6;t was the history of things on this subject? ("erottiellte
114: If;)aV3W:felAseetyWseea,suTrei;e ‘o7thhieerh
side he
ofN othbleenLoouirde•7o-"?,eci
the Noble Lord, the Member for North Lancashire' it, 00,
his int asure. They on that side of House oPWeaticl be is'
Noble Lord had even got the Bill into Committee; g. or'
ybeeaartetehem(3l ao,qeurentieonntwhhaiteihp‘rvoaismtshette etshseeinrcepietafnt;h
into
cP:agnsteiitoLegs
duced, end hit a small majority it was carried iota..., bo if
and on the hest division they were beaten. N w
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