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COMBINATION 14.1,W s.

Mr. lIUM E brouglit up the First Report of the Committee
on A rtizan,s.—Ordercd to be printed.
Mr. 11UME presented a Petition front several Members of
the Legal Profession at Montrose, praying for the repeal of the
Annual Duty on. their Licences—a prayer which the lion.
Member said he hoped the Chancellor of the Exchequer would
comply -with, as he professed to take off the Taxcs on Law
Proccedings.—Ordered to-lie on the table.

-NIT. MIMI I, also presented a Petition from the Merchants of
Perth, preying for the repeal of the House and Window Duties,
on the ground that there was a Surplus Revinne.—Ordered to
lie on the table, and he printed.
Mr: 11 UN! E pre:enwtl.a Petition from 2,00 Carpenters anti
Joiners of London against the Cornhinat,ion Laws, which they

declared to be partial and unjust in their operation. Ile• pre-
sented a similar Petition from the Tailors of Glasgow. The.
Hon. Member also.preaented similar petitions from the Weavers
of Montrose, .and other places in Scotland..
Mr. 110BHOUSE presented petitions similar to the last
from various places in Westminster, .Middleaex,.and Surrey.—
They were all ordered to lie on the table.
Mr.DUNDAS presented a petition from Gisborough, against
Negro Slavery:
Lord BEI4GRAVE presented a similar' Petition from
Chester.
Mr. 13UTTERN'VORTH presented a similar petition from
Lancaster. • .
Lord NUGENT presented' a similar petition from a place
in Buckinghamshire.--Ordered to lie on the table.
Sir W. INGILBY presented a petition from Lincolnshire-
.,
a,ainst the Duty on Coals.—Ordered rndzrie ttioialtiesooonntahfetetrable.
sALT•Duri-.
Mr. WODEHOUSE Easter he
should move for the revival of the old Salt Duty„ in order that
some other -tax might be taken off in amount.. He
thought it proper to observe, that he gave this notice in conse-
quence of a previous:conimuniCation. with several lion. Meth-
bers on both sides of the House, though he was fully aware that
the motion would meet with much opposition.
4 Mesage from the Lord here announced their Lordships
assent to several Bills.
ALIEN BILL.
Mr. Secretary PEEL moved the .Order of the Day for the
House going into a Committee,on the Alien Bill.
After a few words from Lord ti t, GENT andlgr.-IlumE, the
House went into a Committee in which
Mr. HUM R moved as an Amendment, that the words " one
year," be substituted for the.words " two years" as the time
for the Bill.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that after what had been said by
his Right Hon. Friend the. Secretary of State for Foreign :If-
fairs, respecting the .views of Ministers as, to the duration of
the Bill, he did not expect such a motion. There was a sin-
cere disposition on their part to consider whether they could
dispense with the powers.given by the Rill. He trusted, there-
fore, after what bad passed, that the lion. Gentleman would
not press his motion.
Mr. C. HUTCHINSON said his opposition to the Bill had
not been at all diminished by the speech of the Right Hon. Se-
cretary for Foreign Affairs. Ile should certainly, on the ques-
tion of the third reading, go fully into the subject.
Mr. Becretary PEEL said that no doubt every Hon. Mem-
ber was at liberty to endeavour to throw out the Bill on the
third 'Reading.
Lord NUGENT said he should take no hart in the business
of the Committee on the Bill ;a Ile would leave its details
entirely in the hands of Ministers. His confirmed objection
was to the whole of the Bill.
After a few words from Mr. HonnotT sr:, Mr. III:atE agreed
not to press his Amendment, which was negatived without a
division. The Bill was then gone through, the blanks were
filled up, the House resumed; and the report was ordered to be
received to-morrow.
__ _

SUPPLY.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCLIF.QUER moved the
Order of the Day for the House• going into a Committee of
Supply.
Mr. HUME-observed, that a vote was about to be proposed
in the Committee of Supply for the Benefit of the Clergy. lie
objected to this, as the papers on the subject which the House
had ordered to be printed,were only this day distributed among
Members.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, that the
Vote alluded to would not he proposed this evening.

The Order of the Day was then read ; and, on the motion of
Lord PAT. 71 sToN. the Militia Estimates were-ordered to he
referred to the Committee, into which the House immediately
resolved itself. The H ouse being in a Committee,
Lord PALMERSTON moved a Vote for 195,131'4. for the
charge of the Disembodied Militia.
Mr. HUME said, this Vote took him by surprize. He did
not know that it Was to be brought on, nor dida 6aliant Friend
ofhis (Uoionel Davies) who was absent in consequence.
Lord PALMERSTON consented to postpone the Vote.
WINDSOR CASTLE.

The NIANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose to sub-
mit to the House a motion respecting the Repairs of Windsor
Castle. It would be in the recollection of the House that he
had, on a former occasion, stated his intention to ask the House
to
his Majesty, towards defraying
the
for such alterations and repairs of
make
expense a grantto
be for
incurred the s ie of
Windsor Castle as were necessary to maintain the becoming
splendour of that ancient structure ; he had also informed the
House that it would be an important object to make purchases
of some houses and moan portions of land in the vicinity of the
Castle, without which the objects in view could not be accom-
plished. lie had mentioned that the whole expellee of these
repairs would he about three hundred thousand pounds, of
which a vote for half would be proposed this Session. lie
should not consider it necessary to repeat to the House
the observations he had Made on the former occasion, in order
repairsto induce :
asthethose
toeuosbe s
et or
veatisitoeratsa the desire tom
met
troNNviitlei for these
repairs: as those observations bad already met with the eon.
currence of the Ilous6 The Castle of Windsor had long been
the residence of the Monarchs of this country, and Parliament
anti
meanst °for peopleina in thaai alwaysngit.
Hsheetstal
eorsiftoi or
eri, to
on pt rhoev i provide t
d l le u
present
occasion, confine himself to a statement of the mode in which
the.Propoaed alterations were to be effected. Every one who
knew any thing aboOt Windsor Castle, were aware that the
apartments were very inconveniently situated towards each
Other. There was a want of communication between them,
many passages haVing been cut off, and whole corners re-
moved. This general defect it was proposed to remedy. It
was also necessary, in particular, that a better communication
than the present should be provided between the State Apart-
ments and those which were intended for his Majesty's pri-
vate use. The present mode of communication was highly
inconvenient ; and. this it was obvioua should be remedied', it.
being most desirable that the communication between his; l a-
jesty'S priVate apartments and those for public business should
be rendered, convenient,' seeing that the Castle was intended to
be a .place of residence. It was proposed, therefore, that a
part of the funds to be now supplied should be appropriated,
in the first instance, towards the embellishment of the state
apartments. It might probably also be .necessary to make
some alterations in the interior of the building; additions hav-
ing, of late years, been made to it of a nature not at all re-
ferable to the age of the building, or its convenience for
residence in any respect. It was proposed that some of
these unsightly additions should be removed. This building,
which was the least consistent it was possible to conceive
with the general style of the. Castle, ran directly across
the line of communication from the Long Walk to the Castle,
and eflhctually concealed that venerable pile in that quarter. It
was certainly, therefore, necessary that this should be remov-
ed ; and there were many ether buildings in the immediate
neighbourhood of the-Castle which had been built about it, and
were so many deformities, without removing which they really
would be doing nothing. There were also houses and pro-
perty at present occupied to the purchase of which it was pro-
posed to apply this grant. The same observation would apply
to the domain of the Park, which was so beset with sundry
small proprietors, that it -really was possible that the Long
Walk itself could be turned into a street, and then one of the
most magnificent avenues in the world would be lost ; were
matters allowed to remain in the state they were now in, the
whole beauty of the place might be sacrificed. The per-
suns who were the owcrs of these little properties were ready
to part with them for a reasonable compensation, and he
thought they Could not do better titan purchase. Ile might
be asked why lie had not prepared a pjan and estimate of the
expellee to be incurred.; but he put at to the Houae whether
it was so easy sunder these circumstances to. furnish that esti-
mate where the expellee would depend so much upon the
understanding they might be able to come tovith the parties.
Again,. any alteration of the interior ought to .well consi-
dered hofora any step was taken ; bitt as the Obect. was to:
render it a more comfortable residence for his ....Majesty, it
most be obvious that if they did not vote any money before
the plans were made out, so considerable a time must elapse
that it was more than probable the Session would be ended.
Were they to act in that manner, he must say, that they
would less consider the comfort of the Sovereign than they
would their Own in a similar undertaking: In asking for this
money. he certainly considered that he incurred a•certain de-
gree of regamsibility as to the application.of in—alear !)--
And he hoped he did not ask for more confidence than the
cn relativeoft h
to thee
lictise
Its tall we
caatstieonat attention
diSk sed to grant in a case of this kind. He wished
io
for the superintandertee of the disposal Of this money. thoe
been.much
hash misunderstanding on this subject. He had never
e n
oZpot to whattittn he
' t hall
a stated( ipos
Ia
former ~
weent to say that the Commission should be appointed by Act

of Parliament; and indeed he could have had no reason fOt
such a proposal, unless-he ,dished to investthe Commission .wital
greater powera than the Treasury already had; which, WAS tam
the cam They had.been tobfl that such a Commission Ivouldtv
unconstitutional add improper ; and so it Would; if their
pointinent took the usual responsibility from the Executives:a:-
But this would not be the case; for both as members of the
Commission, andas members of the7Executiae, their respon-
sibility would be unquestionable. The value of such a Cema
mission would bc, that they would be enabled through it to have
thb advice of men of eampetonttaste and judgment. He did not
know that either himself or his Noble Friend at the head of the
Treasury were expected to be er-offitio expert in matted or
taste. Mr. Burke was of opinion that from the necessity of Kg
etliteation, the head'of the British Government never could be
skilled- in matters of taste, and the experience of last Seat/Oda
with. reference to the buildings in the -immediate height's:tut-
hood of the Muse, certainly did not say much, for the tastelof
the Treasury. At the same tittle he'must observe that it was
very easy to condemn, but when they came to devise, no two
were found to agree. In former times, no one ever suspected
the executive of taste ; and forty years ago the Board of
Works conducted every thing in its own way, under thessa,
mired guidance of Sir William Chambers,whom he thoughtsina
been much over-rated, but who maintained his groundisofa
withstanding the severe satire with which he was treated' by
Mason the poet. But in 1802; when money was voted to raise
nionurriente to those who had fallen in the defence of their
country, a commission similar to that now contemplated,
was formed to recommend to the Treasury the moumerits
'deemed- most suitable. This body was fancifully designated
the Committee of Taste; but the change for the better,
which was visible in the public monuments erected since that
period, proved how beneficial their labours had been. Ava
• to the Members of the Commission, which it was now proposed
'to make subservient to the same end, the relation of a Noble
Lord opposite (Lord Cavendish; we believe) would be proposed
as one, and the Commissioner of the Woods and Forestsota
well as himself, would certainly forma part of it. But how-
soever composed, he should always be ready to say, etrbrata qei
feel, and answer for any this was done. The Right Hon.
Gentleman concluded by moving--" That a sum of 150,0001.
be granted to his Majesty to defray the expences of repairing
Windsor Castle, and for the purchase of buildings and land
preparatory to the execution of proected alterationa."
Sir JOSEPH YORKE -said thajt he knew of nothing that
called for a greater exercise of taste than making an approach
to the Royal residence like Windsor Castle, or an attempt to
throw cold water on a speech like that just delivered by his
Right Honourable Friend. tic must, however, observe, that
he laboured much harder to takemoncy out of the pockets of
the people than he did to put money into them. With re-
gard to IVindsor Castle, he thought they could not exercise too
much caution in making a grant of money for the sake of alter-
ing, pulling down, or putting tip any thing belonging to it.
Let their. only look how such experiments had succeeded h biter-
to. In the reign of George 11. an attempt had been made to
convert the windows from their original shape to the form of the
Saxon arch ; in the reign of George the Third the windows were
changed to the Gothic form, and it would be observed that
there was now hut little left of the style of Charles the Second.
Then to whom were they about to entrust the further altera-
.tion of this building? There was Mr. Smirke, for one, with
his Covent-garden ; Mr. Soane, with his Bank ; Mr. Nash,
with his Chinese Pavilion ; and Mr. Wyatt, with his Gothic
Architectura. The fact was, that his Right lion. Friend,
rate
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wa to s
sotrrion
gallopinglbi ee
tor,,,nxi,xc eeqt
dbhe liy,
tsito,i;icosnparnhoti:st
the
elo awp?aitn)iligiece
whole
leal
°inn tae,
boeietnh p
pulled down, ituwrcahsahsees town of
behlie%tle'tel ssiffiniediseonrt,lyagt
oodthe
town itself: With respect to the building. which had already
to be the residence of our most Gracious (liven Charlotte ;and'
as to the projected alterations, really, what between the Archi-
tects named,"the Treasury, and the House of Commons, he
thought but little good was to be expected. He understood
that one of the improvements was to be a Suspension Bridge
halts the Park to the Castle. At such a rate it would be beta
ter to take down the whole edifice at once, and put up a great
cottage in its place. He might not perhaps go the extent of
objecting to this vote, but he was certainly anxious to call
attention to the disposal of so much public money without pro-
curing them agood Palace after all.

BANK'ES thought there could be no objection to the
removal of those buildings about the Castle which could not
but °ll ati. every common eye. If they could not affOrd to pay
for the expcnce of such a removal, it would be otherwise ; but
as that was not the case, he thought the public money
.could
not be better bestowed than in what would and to support the
di,rnity of the Crown and the nation. With respect to the
-Castle itself, he would ask his Gallant Friend if he had seen it
lately, and thought that it was in a state to afford adequate
accommodation to the Sovereign of this kingdom either for his
residdoce or for the requisite splendour of his Court. IVith
regard to the exterior, whatever was done to that, he-hoped
would be as much as possible in keeping with the style of the
original building in the time of Edward 111. Then as to who
was to furnish the plan, he hoped that it -would be the pr)clOce
of some one architect and not of a-body of architects, for in that
ease they would have some design not having the appearance of
a whole proceeding from one directing mind, but sonic-incon-
gruous edifice setting all the laws of taste at defiance.

Lord GEORGE CAVENI)ISH spoke with reference to a
Noble Relation of his, whose name had Men mentioned as one.
liable to be placed on the Commission in question. He did
not know what his sentiments might he upon such a proposd
being made to him ; but the view which he (Lord (r.Cavendish)
took of the matter was, that it was a design to shift part of the
responsibility from the shoulders of Ministers to Whomsoever
they should choose to join them in the Commission. Thus, if
the sum should be quadruple what was now spoken of, the
blame would fall on their heads. Under these circumstances
he should certainly advise his Noble Relation against acceding
to the proposal, and in his absence he begged the House would
• not consider him bound by the mere mention of his name.
• Mr. CURWEN thought it was not fair to call upon .the
House to make this grant until they could be assured that the
the
grant.
sum proposed would be enough. In that case he should be the
last to oppose it when the personal comfort and dignity of his
Majesty
Rut, under existing circumstances,
hel.3cerrs.tt'iYilnybrfe;e concerned.
should
was ild oppose
surprised at the asseet given to the vote
by the Ilon. Member for Corfe Castle, so contrary to his own
opinion recorded in many reports made to that House, that
it was not right for the Douse ever to vote money for buildings
without a plan. Here it was proposed to lay out 150,00 a
in the purchase of ground alone. They must have theplan
of the proposed alterations and the estimate of the architect ;
for he saw no other way in which the House could grapple
with the matter. Without this precaution they might expect
some years hence to be asked, whether, having expended sis
much, they would proceed no further. On the Ist of i4lay he
understood the plans and estimates would lie complete; and
why did the Chancellor of the Exchequer come to the House
before that ?. If his Majesty intended to hold a Court tl.ere,
not five times the amount proposed would be sufficient. It was
said there wculd be a certain responsibility in the Commission,
huf could it be said that his Majesty would nut take upon him-
self to alter the whole of their arrangements ? If thky were to
take this course, they would be acting in a manner in which
they never acted before, and totally regardless of the priblie in-
terest. There was'no indisposition in that House, he was con-
vinced, to contribute in every respect to the comfort and az-
commodatien of the Sovereign ; but the question now was,
whether that House should engage in.any
undertaking
the SUM was unknown, the plan was unknown, and the parties
were unknown ? The lion. Member-concluded
.by 'MoVing
that the -vote before the House be postponed to the 15th May.
Mr. H. G. BENNET seconded the motion. The
,t3oette
front of Windsor Castle was the most beautiful specimen el,
Gothic architecture in the country, and he was afraid that some
unhallowed hands would he let loose upon it, such as had la een
so busily at work from the commencement of-Abe Pavilion at
Brighton to the yet unfinished new street. lie wisheilid know
what was to become of the building in Windsor-11/irk • was
he
of entering upon any such engagement withouta hfat theit onea danger
e pulled down ? Two words would satiStY the house
of'd
estbnate—these two words were—Caledonian Canal !.
_
hear!)—That sheaved how the house was to be. led
n
by step, and where, having expended 500.001., they
w ere .rep
o t
plan
aa
on that very ground
.to lay down 50,0041: more. lie o
be-
lieved the youngest person in that Housewould never live to
-
see the completion of the alterations of Windsor Castle, and in-
stead of being confined to 309,000/. they would reach to mil-
lions. He wanted to see the -hardy architect who would pro-.
pose to pull down-any part of Windsor Castle, and he should
also like toAce what he intended to put in its place.
Sir (211.AMIS LONG said, that the Hon. Gentleman
who had just sat down, as well as his Gallant Friend behind-
were qUite in-a mistake in supposing that there was arty ifite2.

Tam of -tanning down any patt !dr Windsor Castle.—(Hear,
,fear 1)--lt never was in the -contemplation of any body that
"" he knew of. With-regard to the Noble Lord, of whom his
Noble Relation opposite had spoken, he begged to assure 1
him, that there --never was any idea of making the Commis-
sioners to whom the plans would be referred responsible for
•the expence of those plans. He had understood the Right
Hon. Member for Corfe Castle (Mr. Bankes) to say that it
was intended to hold Courts at Windsor. Now he knew of no
each project. -No such thing was in contemplation beyond the
receiving of large bodies of people perhaps upon any particular
occasion. Neither was it m contemplation to alter the south
front of the Castle. It would be left the same as when built by
Edward the Third, and as such he admitted it was a most per-
fect piece of architecture. He agreed also that the altera-
tions should be kept as much as possible in the taste ,Of the
original building. But then it should be recollected that the
arouse and-origin of the. building were different from. its pre-
:gent purposes—it was built as a place of defence, although it
was how nothing more than a great dwellitig-house. So far,
therefore, as was consistent with the modern uses of a castle
would the alterations be in the taste-of the original design. As
10 the production of a plan, it was very well•known that it was
not always those who could give • a good plan upon paper that
were able to carry that plan into effect. It was not, therefore,.
so easily done, but it was certainly understood that the expence
was not to-exteed 300,000/. The Architects had been told that
no plan they could form was to go beyond. this • sum. But if
his Majesty were to reside at Windsor a considerable sum must
be laid out to make it a commodious residence,. and he trusted
that the alterations would be more fortunate than those which
had taken place in preceding reigns.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL thought the contradictory reports
circulated on the subject of the proposed alterations an argil...!
ment'in:favour of postponement. By votingnhe money with-
out a plan, if the Chancellor of the Exchequer' were to disap-
prove ors:lie:plan produced, no'one would ever kpow what be-
came of the money. He thought the Crown labfis, and not the
public; ought to provide for such an undertaking.
Mr. 'lll ABER LEY called on:the Chancellor of the Excite-
. quer to state, whether this- grant of 150,0001. were demanded
as partof the 300,0001. mentioned on a-former-occasion, or part
of a million or indefinite sum. He was sorry to put any
restriction on. the taste or convenience of his Majesty ; but it
was part of the duty of' that House towards the public. The
Penitentiary and the Caledonial Canal were specimens of what
improvldent uses might be made of public money, without a
proper controu/ off the part of' that House.
TheItHANCELLOR.SOf the EXCHEQUER said, he was
glad tcf see so ready a.diipnsition on the part of the House to
. provide- for the comforts of the Monarch. It could not but be
satisfactory to thoSe who loved the ancient Monarchy of the
Kingdom, at the same time that it gave great credit to the libe-
rality of.the House. Ile
was not calling; upon the house for a
vote towards any indefinite sum ; but for 150.0001. on account
towards 300,000/. Ile had no reason to suppose die expence
. would exceed that amount. The architects had been told that
there was so much money for them to effect their arrangements,
. and that no more could be spared, and he did not know how they
. could proceed upon a fairer course than this. He had never
stated that there was any intention of disfiguring the outside
of the, Castle. It was only intended to. pull down- those
buildinga which had been pat up to the disfigurement of
-the original structure, but there V77.:S no idea of laying unhal-
lowed Ilan& on the ancient magnificence of the Castle. The
. objections sylliclt the attention of the architects was directed
were, the want of the communication between the residence of
the Sovereign and the State apartments, and the repairs which
appeared to bp • -necessary in those apartments. There- were
,many rises in which the money had been voted on account.
In the -instance of the British Museum, it had been stated, that
no part of the sum to be laid out but in pursuance of a plan for
completing the structure. No estimate was furnished, yet the
House had consented to vote 40,000/. on account. lie took
..a similar course in asking 150,000/. on the present occasion.
Ministers asked it, as the Government who *ere responsible
-for what they did: He should be ashamed to ask the House to
-trust him in a matter of taste, and it was a matter of satisfac.:
-tion to him that he could resort to others for assistance ; but
doing this, he had no wish to shelter himself from responsibility.
When that was done which was contemplated, he trusted the
public would be satisfied with it; for though, in such a case,
he did not suppose it would be thought necessary to impeach
a Minister, or to cutoff' his head, yet he shouldamly give such
advice as he thought the House would approve. Ile did not
think, upon the whole, that it would be seen there was any
reason to quarrel with the course which he had proposed to
them to pursue.
Mr. ELLICE said the Right Hon. Gentleman had done that
side of the House the justice to admit, that they did not object
to Windsor Castle being placed in such a condition as should
-fit it for a royal residence. But what he wished for was, that
whatever sum was voted, should be granted on estimates made
by competent persons. Ile objected to the mode of proceeding
which had been proposed, and thought the more satisfactory
• course would have been to have come down to the House with
estimates. He was against depriving the Crown of any of
the palaces which now belonged to it ; he, for instance, did not
concur with those who desired that the palace at Kew should
, be sold to cover the repairs of Windsor Castle, but he did not
see why the Crown should remain ground-landlord of the new
".steels.: He was of opinion that granting freeholds there would
be better' than taking money liorn the Consolidated Fund at
- this moment. This done, taxes might be remitted to the amount
_of the sum required for the repairs of Windsor Castle, and the
ohject which Ministers had in view might still ire accomplished.
Much had been said of the Architects who had lately been en-
gaged to adorn, or do any thing but adorn, the metropolis and
its vicinity ; but he thought nobody could look on the new
Church at Chelsea without offering the architect a tribute of
applause. It might be objected that it was too narrow, but the
answer to this would probably be, that the funds appropriated
Tro the undertaking were not sufficieruly ample to admit of its.
being finished off as it ought to be in every respect. Such
would" probably he the case with respect to Windsor Castle, if
that mode of proceeding were preferred which Ministers revs=
mended; anti he therefore, wishing to support the plan, feared
Ire should be obliged to vote for the amendment.
The CHANCELLORof the.EXCHEQUER stated in ex-
planation, that there were-Considerable difficulties in the way
of making those exchanges of property which. had been recom.
-mended. He did not say the idea was altogether not worth at-
tending to, but perhaps the Noble Loril did, not know that ever
s:hce the arrangement made at the commencement of the late
reign when a certain annual sum was grantttd to the Crown in
lieu of the revenue of Isis Majesty's hereditary domains, all
th revenue arising from them, all rents, fines' for leases, and
every description of profit thence derived, after 'paying the ex.
yences of their'collection, and the charge for keeping up the
itoyal -Forests were paid to the. Consolidated Find. If then
-tie Crown lands were given up, it would be the same thing as
taking the money at once from the Consolidated Fund.
Mr. CALCRA FT considered the question before them to
_bee. whether the 300,0001 called for -would be the limit of the
sum requisite for the repairs of -Windeor Castle ? It was agreed
.on all-hands that it would be desirable to-make Windsor Castle
a a residence for the Sovereign, and such as should induce him
generally to reside there ; but he wished to know whether-the
Eight Hon. Gentleman could state that the suns asked might
he expected adequately to answer the purpose ? If the Right
lion. Gentleman' would do that, he (Mr. Calcraft) was ready
to vote the suns proposed on account ; but if he would not,
rather than embark in an indefinite expellee he would support
the Amendment. _ _

The CHANC ELLOR of the. EXCHEQUER said, un-
doubtedly if the architect whom they consulted- should think the
sam of 300,0001. inadequate to accomplish what they wished
should be done, it would be highly unwise to incur a portion of
the expence without knowing how far they were to be called upon.
IT what they wished to effect for the King's comfort could not.
be doni—if the architect should say nothing of the kind could
be done with the miserable driblet you offer, it would be un,
wise, under such circumstances, to touch brick and mortar.
CALCRAFT understood then that the Right lion.
,Oectle;nan was against incurring a portion of expence with-
out knowing what the whole would he, and that which the
ILvse desired to effect could he accomplished for that expence.
11Qrd MILTON—As the Right Hon. Gentlemen had. said it
would he unwise to incur any expence till it was ascertained
that the sum called for would not be inadequate to the purpose
for which it was required, thought that he (the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) himself was bound to vote for the amendment.
Before any grant was asked, he was of opinion that Ministers
ought to 1.),t prepared with plans and estimates. In the absence
-.of these, the Right lion. Gentleman himself ought to vote for
the amendment.
Mr. MABERLY would vote for the motion, if the Chan-.
senor of the Exchequer would pledge himself that all which
it was desirable to do could be effected for :300,0001.; but if
this was not promised he must vote for the amendment.
Mr. 'ecretary CANNING remarked, there appeared to be
a general disposition on all sides to concur in any reason-
a I,le plan, and in any reasonable expence, that would go to
maize Windsor an eligible royal residence. The question
way, what was the most practicable and useful mode of
• controuling the expence to be incurred on this occasion.—
The House could proceed in various ways. They might call
for plans and estimates to be laid before the House, at-
tempt to ascertain what the expence would be, but subject, as
every one knew, to that excess on the expence calculated
i• pots, which in the end might place them in a less satisfacto y
situation than some Gentlemen supposed ; or the "louse might
grant a definite sum, and say that beyond that the expence to be
Incurred should not extend. He thought every instance refeired
to in the course of the present debate, proved the former to be
_the least certain mode of proceeding. The Caledonian
Canal, and other Public Works, the commencement of which
,sags founded on plans and estimates, had carried them much fur.,l

ther than it was originally proposed to go. He therefore con-'
tended, that the House would more effectually controul the
expenditure, if they did not vote beyond the sum rated to be
necessary, and left the application of it to the executive Go-
vernment on their responsibility. This done the House could
watch the progress of the undertaking with more advantage.
than if they called for estimates, and acted on their own jag-
ment with respect to them in the first instance, which hav-
ing been once done, all further responsibility was at an end.
Mr. TIERNEY thought, as no estimates were given, the-;
House - had no security that foi the 300,0001. proposed to be
voted, the repairs required could be made. He thought no-
thing could be more easy than to give estimates. The expences
to be incurred must come under three heads :—First, the re-
pairs of the Castle; secondly, the improvement of the avenues
and obtaining possession of certain lands ; and thirdly, furni-
ture. The expence of the last it might be difficult to calcu-
; but for the two former, after once making an agree-
mint,' it was only -a work of measurement. • In the case of
the new Post-office, the proceeding had been to pull down
houses. A surveyor had been first examined, who had esti-
, mated the expence which would be occasioned, but the houses
having been pulled down, a further sum was found ne-
cessary. The Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Right Hon.
Gentleman thought the best way was to grant 300,000/., and
then no more could be spent. But what was their situation
and that of the King? By taking the course proposed they
might just spoil all . his Majesty's comforts, and then what
would happen? Ministers would be obliged to come down to
the House, and say, " We tell you fairly we have spent ail the
money, but cannot complete the repairs, so now what are we to
do ?" In that case nothing would remain for the House to do
but to make a further grant. He was against appearing to
oppose a vote of this description, but • he could see no inconve-
nience that _would attend postponing the Grant till early in
May. lithe Chancellor of the Exchequer did this, and then
came forward with plans and estimates, if it was necessary he
would rather.-vote 500,000/. then, than agree to the resolution
before the House now.
Mr. EROGDEN remarked that the amendment named a
specific day for taking the resolutioa now before the House
into consideration. This could not he done in the Committee,
but must be appointed by the House.
Mr. CA LCRA PT was of opinion, after.what had been stated
by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that the inconvenience
:appreliended by the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Tierney) was
not to be dreaded. •
Mr. TI ER NEY. objected to embarking in expences the limit
of which was not known.. He wished to know what inconve-
nience would.arise from postponing the vote.
-Mr. CA IaCRAFf considered the agreeing to the vote was
immaterial, as not a shilling of it could be expended at present.
Lord MILTON said that depended upon into whose hands
the money might get. He thought no grant ought to be called
for till Government had made up their minds what should be
done. •

BEN NET spoke against .the exclusion of the public
from the terrace and grounds. It was formerly a most delight-
ful sight to see the Monarch mixing with his subjects, and to
witness the joy which his affability inspired.
A further conversation took place, in which Mr. llumE, the
CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER, Lord MILTON, Mr. G.
BANKES, Mr. T. WiLsolf, and Mr. C. HuTctuNsox, par-
ticipated.
Mr. Secretary CA NNING remarked, that if the Zion. Gen-
tleman (Mr. Bennet) had been at Windsor a few-Sundays
back, he would have witnessed a renewal of the gaiety which
had formerly prevailed. On a Sunday the_terrace was open
to the public as formerly. This was not the case in the week,
as if it were, the Royal Family would have no private walk
in the vicinity of the Castle. For ten years the Terrace had
been necessarily shut up. The present exclusion was there-
fore no sudden innovation, but on the contrary, the partial ad-
mission of the public was an innovation. He believed the ter-
race was open on Sundays ; on the Sunday when he was last at
Windsor it certainly was.
Mr. ABERCROM BY was against making a. grant befbre
a plan had been produced.
The Committee divided, when the numbers were—
For the Amendment - 54
Against it - - . 123
Majority —69
The Resolution was carried.
When strangers were re-admitted, the following Grants were
made :

To defray the charge of the disembodied Militia in.

England
- £195,537 6
To defray the charge of the disembodied Militia

, ..
in Ireland - - - - 01,771 18
Mr. HUME inquired why so large a Militia force was ne-
cessary in Ireland ?
Lord PA 14M ERSTON stated the-Militia in Ireland to have
been rather more reduced in proportion than. the Mititia of
England. If the lion.
Gentleman
wished to make any altera-
tions, it could not be done in a Committee of Supply ; but the
regular mode of proceeding would be to move for leave to bring
in a Bill to alter the Militia Laws.
The Resolutions Were severally agreed to.
The House then resumed, the Chairman reported progress,
and the Report was ordered to be read to-morrow.
NEW Cfl CIRCH ES

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved. that
the House should go ilt.o a Committee on the Church Building
Acts.

Mr. II UME begged to ask why they were to go into the pro-
posed Committee ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said, he in-
tended to move a Resolution, recommending a grant of 600,000/.
for the erection of New Churches in populous Parishes.
Mr. HUME then objected to going into the Committee, as
no proper notice had been given of the specific sum to be moved
. for. If the Chancellor of the Exchequer meant to deal fairly
with the House he would name a future day.
Mr. W. COURT ENAY thought the rtnarle of the Hon.
Gentleman was not correct. It was known that the Committee
was to sit on the Church Building Acts, and after what had
been stated at the outset of the Session, he thought every Gen-
tleman must be aware what the resolution was which was to be
proposed.
Mr. HUME was aware that such a resolution was to be pro--
posed at some time or other; but from what had fallen from
the Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs, he thought the
sum to be called for would not be wanted for two years.
Mr. Secretary CANNING said it was perfectly true that he
had said the money might not be wanted for appropriation for
two years. He had, however, not proposed to defer the grant,
but had suggested that the interest accruing on it, or a sum
equivalent to it, should be added to it, in furtherance of the
object in view.
Mr. HUSKISSON stated the course proposed to be pur-
sued to be the ordinary course. No notice had been given of
the specific sum to be asked. But the Committee moved for
was a Committee to consider of the expediency of recommend-
ing such a grant, and not a Committee of Supply. In the
Committee every Gentleman could state what course he wished
to be pursued, and recommend any other sum to be voted—a
larger, a smaller, or none at all.
Mr. 110BHOUSE, for one, was not aware that they were
to take into consideration this important question that night,
and he also had. deceived himself as to what had fallen from
the Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Affairs, and had believed
that for the present, at least, Ministers would not call for this
profligate vote. Though he had no wish to prevent the people
from having every opportunity of frequenting places of public
worship, he disapproved of the proposed appropriation of
500,000/. out of the " God-send" received from that excellent
character the Emperor of Austria. If the vote were pressed, he
should take an opportunity of proposing that the- 500,000/.
should beapplied to another purpose in a way wnich had been
recommended by Mr. Pitt, namely to buy up rotten boroughs.
This if done would, in his opinion, effect a great public good.
Mr. JOHN SMITH confessed that he had not been de-
ceived on the present occasion, as he had expected the subject
to come on this • night, and would now proceed to state his
objections to the principle of the measure. He believed that
the people would build for themselves places of worship
after the forms of the Church of England, if they had security-
that when they had done so,
_they might be allowed to appoint
the persons who were to officiate in them. It was seen that
such edifices sprung up all over the country, erected by indi-
viduals of different persuasions. The same thing would be
done by those who were attached to the Church if the law were
Ater d. He thought the 500,0001. would be bettetexpended
in promoting the education of the poor. If the difficulty with
regard to present; tions were done away, the building of churches
might be left to the private exertions of the people. In large
towns every thing that was necessary would 1 e done;. and if in
smaller and poorer places some assistance would be wanted, it
could not amount to any thing like 500,000/. fle should
therefore protest against the.yote as a most improvident waste
of the public money.
Sir J. NEWPORT wished to call the:attention of the House
to the anomaly in the state of the Law of England and that of
Ireland, relating'to the building of Churches; in Ireland
where the population were not interested in the Church Es-
tablishment, the building of churches was provided for by a tax
upon the people ; whereas in England the Legislature were
called upon to provide for such expenses. This gave rise to
much of the evil to be found in Ireland, and he thought the
anomalous state of the law could not be too much impressed
upon the House at a time when it was proposed to increase it
by so large a grant of the public money.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that it
could not be regular to discus a subject. lice this, when the
measure could ony originate in the Committee.
Upon the ques ion for the Speaker he tvmg the Chair,
Mr. J,A.IFIES said that he should have a petition to present

against the measure, and that time ought to be given for par-
ties to express their objections.
Mr. Secretary CANNING tifa*pd,L.that the Committee
into which the House was about tb-g4liaoiot for the purpose
of voting the supply, but a Committee for, coming ton resolu-
tion intended for the ground of a Bill that was afterwards to go
through all its stages.
Mr. G. BENNLT said,:that the papers relating to the sub-
ject had been in thehands of Members only eight hours, and it
was impossible that any one should be informed of their con-
tents in that short time.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not wiel
to call upon the House for a vote before they had acquainted
themselves with tTirretiiiiiti,- and would not press the question
forward, if delay were necessary on that account.

The Committee was postponed to Friday.
WOOL EXPORTATION AND IMPORTATION BILL.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
Order-of the Day f=the_second reading of this Bill.
Mr. CURTELS said that he had been taken by surprise in
the bringing forward this measure with the increased duty on
the exportation of Wool. He thought it an injustice of the
Agricultural Interests, and hoped the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer would postpone it until they could be heard by the House.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he
could not understand the ground upon which the Hon. Gentle-
man opposed the second reading. He professed himself
friendly to exportation, yet if he threw out this Bill, instead of
being allowed to export upOn paying a duty of two pence, the
law would stand as it was before.

Lout I LTON observed, that the course the Hon. Member
was pursuing would lead to this :—Because he could not have
a less duty than two pence, he would keep the entire prohi-
bition.

Mr. CURTEIS explained.
Mr. PORTA! A N made some remarks upon the rate of duties
on Imports and Exports, which he thought ought to be intro-
duced into the Bill. •

i Ir. .1:117SK ISS ON 'observed, that the time for proposing
such alterations would be in the Committee.
31r. CALCRIFT said, he objected to the measure alto-
gether, because he wo.vid not export that species of long
wool,
which was the foundation of one of the most flourishing manu-
factures of the country. It appeared to him that they were
risking a most important interest without any adequate pro.
spect of advanta&e. lle was-surprised that the manufacturers
had given up their opposition to it on account of so small an ex-
port duty as 2d per pound.
Mr. r Said a few words which were inaudible. •

Mr. PELHAM was averse to abandoning the advantages
we possessed in this staple commodity, being the peculiar
growth of the country, and its employment confined to our own
manufactures.

The bin wa4 then read a second time, and committed for to-
morrow.

CUSTOMS ON COALS AND LINEN BILL.
The Order of the Day having been moved fur the second
reading of the above Bill,
Sir M. W. R I ULM' said he should not suffer the second
reading to pass without prOtesting against the unfairness and
injustice of the uneqUal tax which it imposed upon coals.
Mr. MA BERLE Y had hoped to see the Right Hon. Gentle-
man keep his 'eye steadily fixed upon the great principle of
causing duties to be equally paid by all classes of his Majesty's
subjects. He was aware that the Right-Hon. Gentleman would
encounter opposition from the different interested parties ; but
the only way to equalize the taxation upon coals would be to
levy a duty at the pit's mouth. With regard to the linen boun-
ties, he agreed in the -principle of removing the system of boun-
ties, but at the same time they must keep the import duties
upon the raw material view. That part of our linen manufac-
tures which was carried on in England laboured under the
greatest disadvantages, on account of the duty and expences of
importing the raw material, which Ireland and Scotland grew
for themselves. The bounties to be recovered from hemp were
not in fact bounties but drawbacks, as the divert duties and
other charges amounted to 38 per cent. In consequence of
this, ships were driven to other countries for sails and cordage,
to the great detriment of our commerce. He threw out these
observations for the reconsideration of the Right Hon. Gentle--1
man, before the clause in the Bill which related to them should
be passed into a law.
Mr. II USKISSON, after remarking that they were not then
in a condition to enter into the general question of the system
of taxation upon coals, observed, that as the law allowed, in
cases of necessity, that ships should repair in our Forts with-
out paying the duties, there was no doubt_ but that under simi-
lar circumstances of necessity, the allowance might be extended
to sails and cordage. Re agreed -with the Hon. .Gentleman
n)thsatatninceas futurefthe
that the bounties were miscalled—and that they were- more
properly drawbacks. He wished to see the duty on the raw'
„,„). wmaa pvmut. lihoot pledging hi,: Right Hon
litzit,e,nct, he t etz,ghti, removed e
az won ar:sthae
ieitirpceu
Sessio. the condition of the country would allow of reduction
of the duty to the amount of the -drawback on hem
one, should wish to see it reduced to littlep. for
uore than a nominal
amount.

The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be
committed to-morrow.

Sir J. NEWPORT said, he hoped that when they were in
Committee, the Right lion. Gentleman would be prepared to
relieve the apprehensions of the Irish Manufacturers. Re
would assure hint that the tranquillity of the South of Ireland
depended upon the course he adopted.
GAME LAWS.
The Game Laws "Amendment Bill was ordered to be com-
mitted to-morrow. _

_ -
- BANKRUPT LAWS AMENDMENT BILL.
Upon the motion of Mr. Cot RTENAY, the House went into
a Committee upon the Bankrupt Laws Amendment Bill, and
several clauses were agreed to. Mr. .1. SMITH,- Mr. Locx-
HA RT, Mr. 'l'. WiLsoN, and Mr. MARTIN, tcok part in the
Committee.

The Chairman then reported progress, and obtained leave to
sit again to-morrow.
The Cattle 111-Treatment Bill was read a third time, and
passal..
The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and the House
adjourned soon after' WELVE o'CLocx.

. . LIST OF THE MINORITY
Who voted for postponing the Grant of 1:150,000 for Repairs
iu Windsor Castle, until Plans of the Alterations and an
• Estimate of the Expence-. could be prepared.
Abereromby,Hn.J. Hurst, B. Philips, G. juR.
Allen, J. H. Hutchinson, _
Hon. Robarts, A..W.
Bennet, Hon. H. G. C. 11. Robarts, G. J.
Banyon, B. James, W. Robinson Sir G.
Bernal, 11. Jervoise, G. P. Russell, L. J.
Birch, J. Johnstone, W. A. Bickford, W.
Blake, Sir F. Kennedy, T. F. Smith, J..
Bright, H. Lambton, J. G. Smith, Wm. •
Butterworth, J. Leycester, R. Tierney, Rt. M.G.
Calvert, C. Leader, W. Tremayne, J. H.
Colburne, N. W. Macdonald, S. Western, C. C.
Crompton, S. Martin, J. Whitbread, S. C.
Curwen, J. C. Milton, Viscount Wilkins, W.
Ebrington,- Visct. A io.r.:k J. B. Williams, 0.
Ellice, Ed. Normanby, Vise. Wrottcsley, Sir J.
Gordon, R. Nugent, Lord Wells, J.
Hamilton, Lord A. Ord, Wm. Wodehouse, E.
Hobhouse, J. C. Oxmantown, Lord TELLER.
Honeywood, W. P. Palmer, C. F. Hume, Joseph

TRADE WITH RussiA.---.A Hamburgb Paper of
the 31st ult. contains the following Imperial
Ukase, dated Feb. 28 :—" Every captain of a
vessel arriving in Russia must produce two bills
of lading ; in which, as• well as in the invoice,
must be stated the name of the Consigners of the
goods, whence they come, whither they are going,
the names of the consignee, of the ship, the cap-
tain, the quantity, quality, and value of the goods.
The captain must make a declaration in duplicate
respecting these bills of lading. The captain
who cannot produce two bills of lading is liable
to pay two roubles ha silver. The time given for
compliance with these regulations is at 'all the
land custom-houses three months, and the sea-
ports four months, and for goods from extra-
Eurppean ports till the Ist of January next year.
Captains, Ste. are not bound to show duplicates
of their papers at the custom-houses of St. Peters-
burgh,
Riga, at Cronstadt, and the 13olderaa,1
%%here there are persons appointed to copy the
ships' papers.

Nuu EMBERG, MAncit 26.—We have just been
informed that M. de Tatischeff has lately been entrusted with a
new mission to Vienna, and that he has set off from St. Peters-
burgh during the night of the 7th to the Bth March, for this
destination. It is reported that he is directed to consult with
Prince Metternich respecting the means of removing the obsta-
cles which impede the success of M. Minziaky's negociation.—
A rumour was circulated at St. Petersburgh, that M. de Tatis-
ch:ir would repair to Constantinople, by the way of Vienna.

SCOTCH AND IRISH CATHOLIC ESTABLISH-
MENTS IN FRANCE.

The Moniteur of Saturday contains the follow-
ing Royal Ordinances :

Louts, by the grace of God, King of France and Navarre, to
all whom these presents shall come
,greeting.
Considering our ordinance of the 17th of. December, 1818,
which unites under one administration the establishments
founded in France at different times for the instruction of young
English, Irish, and Scotch Catholics ;
Considering the-memorials presented by the prelates of Scot-
land, in which they show that the Scotch foundations are too
poor to bear, even in proportion to the revenues which they pro-
duce, the expences of an administratiOn instituted for the three
establishments united ;
Considering that the scantiness of the revenue of the Scotch
section really requires for that section an administration entirely
gratuitous, and which cannot be better exercised than by those
who have the greatest interest in the preservation of the funds,
and the good application of the produce ;
Wishing to enter into the viewsof the founders, who have
placed those establishments under the protection of the Kings
our ancestors, by maintaining over this gratuitous administra-
tion the inspection of our Government;
On the report of our Minister Secretary of State for the In-
terior, with the advice of our Council of State, we have ordain-
ed and ordain as follows : _ _

1. The foundations founded in France for the instruction Of
young Scotch Catholics shall be separated frbm the English and
Irish foundations, to be administered separately, under the su.
perintnldence of our Minister of the Interior.

2. The Administrator shall be, as tar as possible, a Priest of
the Catholic Church of Scotland, and by birth a subject of his
Britannic Majesty.
3. He shall be named by our Minister of the Interior.
4. He may delegate his funcions, for a time, to. a French
Ecclesiastic, who must be approved by our Minister of the
Interior.

5. The Scotch Administrator, or his delegate, shall have, for
the preservation of the property and the receipt of the revenues,
the same powers as are given to the Administrator-Ueneral by
our ordinance of the 17th December, 1818, and especially by
rticie.2s-of that Ordinance.

6. The revenues received by the Administrator shall be paid
by him entire, and without delay, into our Royal Treasury,
which shall open an account current with our Minister of the
Interior for the concern of those foundations.
7. The budget of the expenditure of the funds arising from
the foundations shall be regulated before-hand, for each year,
by the Minister.

0. The annual accounts shall be submitted to his approval,
and finally confirmed by him.
9. The nomination of scholars shall likewise be subject to
his approval.
10. The scholars who, according to the foundations, are to
be brought up to the ecclesiastical professions, shall be placed
in the French seminaries, and subject to the regulations of those
establishments. _ _

, 11. The administration of the Scotch foundations shall be
entirely gratuitous.
12. The ordinance of the 17th of December, 1818, shall
continue -to be executed, so far as it is not contrary to the
present.
13. Our Ministers of the Interior and Finance are charged
with the execution of the present ordinance.
Given at our palace of the Tuileries, the 3d of March, in the
year of grace, 1824, and the 29th of our reign.
By the King, LOUIS.
The Minister Secretary of State for the Department of the
Interior, CORMERE.
Two other Ordinances relate to two prizes founded by the
late Baron Auget de Montoyon. The first, for the reward of
virtue • the second, for a Frenchman who shall have written
and published the book the most useful to morality.