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London, England, 1847-03-17 00:00:00

ttr.-rciaIaILWAYS IN IRELAND.
;/Ilirdflt* r,rlir presented a petition from the board of
rd
°I Queen's County, praying that the House
Of e !take ,
Drigru .mcn advances to those railways in progress
their etton neighb ou as would afford employment for the poor
rhood.
Or, w„THE RAJA OF SATTARA.
14 1-4LlAMSpresentedpetition praying the
a
4r,exaeut4grant to the Raja of Sattara an opportunity
1444 ing the charges brought against him, azd the
liclduced thereon.
kr. po. LIGHT DUES.
aSTER presented tition from th.e mer-
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"tage Cif a Competing line to the public woule taken
-4119. Negotiations were entered into subsequend tlby, which
faded in an asreement wt h the Great Western Company to
Purchase the line. To make the agreement valid, aecording to
the provisions of the Act, a meeting ot the shareholders was re
Airtehl,s girl on
nthe 4th of December this was accordingly held.
fir At
red'
agreement made by the (Electors was con-
med. The shareholders confirmed that agreemen'. At that
Meeting a gentleman attended of the name of Moseley, svho was
fin
avowed agent ot the Birmingham Company, and offered a
Tntleh higher price than that offered by the urea: Western.
Con urea:siderable discussion ensued, but the proprietors declined to
accede to the offer, as they had authorised the directors to enter
company
aereernent with the Great Western. The Act of the
rnparty'did not authorise them to enter into an agreement
et he Birmingham Company. They therefore con-
flied the original proposition for entering into an
ao
greement with the Great Western. On the 16th
I),_ecernber Mr. Glyn, the chairman of the Bir-
na
rlaa Comp y • ote a letter to the chairman of the
m pan yurene%rin g the offer made at. the meeting, but
:„, " again rejected. A meeting of the Birmingham proprie;
1;s was called about that time, for the purpose of approving o
e conduct of Mr. Glyn and Mr. Moseley ; so that this was
Purely a transaction ot the Birmingham Company, who were
i's'r°" to get possession of this Oxford Company . obviously
ithe
the purpose of preventing; that competition which it was
iOe wish of Parliament to establish. They would agre; with
4° that no public company could be guilty of more improper
P.4° that
Immediately after the 16th fD. cember, when t he
char Company hail given their final answer, the purchase of
hY the Birmham Company commenced ; he said.by
e Itirruinnham Coinany because he was justified in saying
reasons which he' should. adduce. They purchased
ss' "u shares out of the 50,000, in order that they might ac-
FroPlish their object by unfair means, when they found that
trmeans had failed to effect it, that they might have the
eet control of the line. They were purchased in the course
t° °torah or six weeks ; not, certainly, in the name of the
ImdPatlY, but in the names of their agents. For instance, Mr.
Ws4:-')°, an agent of one of the .Manch,ester banks, which
emconnected with the Birmingham Company, purchased
l
not, it was true, on his own responsibility, butin con-
tflreuteirtee of an indemnity which he had received from one of
the
ohR 'rectors. What, then, was the next step pursusd by ,
eftipany ? They proposed to raise the number of the
them to eighteen, and they also proposed that four of '
listel,,ahould go out. They appointed six of their own dilectors,
t difficulty arose as to the mode in which the three-
-800
,uld go out, and the solicitor to the London and
CO -pan;;, in ordar to meet he uifficultieaf GI
kl,:i'iouad actually summoned enethar special meeting
_os'
cr the
tep 3°,,,0f reducing the number of the e,,r,;tors.—(Lau,,h-
ast.',„ Thus, by means of all this complicated machinery, the
rissq had obtained the entire possession of the railway. and
141 i", adopt it to suit their own purposes, notwithstanding
and
ptallis line was passed as a rival line to the North-Western,
the (°sed especially for the purpose of competition between
. " lines, and thus to tend to the benefit of they
nterests of
tet' Pub:ies He contended that Mr. Moseley was the
leg tadagent of the London and North-Western Company,
hloseeie
:4° whole transaction had been carried on through Mr.
the Y's solicitor. Ws Noble Friend Lad asked why not refer
sttehro_atter to the Railway Commissioners. He obiected to
sztraie reference, because the Commissioners had no power to
being witnesses ; while he equally objected to the matter
Ilonarefeired to the Committee on the Bill in the other
raiul,l, because that Bill had no reference whatever to the Bilr-
bloat :41 and Oxford line. Under these circumstaTies..
as ittrresr his motion for a Committee of Inquiry. He
public
groarlerest whatever on either side, and it was solely on pu
No'la that he had made the motion.
,STANLEY begged to correct a statement made by
Was alluiNFriend. He (Lord Stanley) was sure there never
*hat I.,latention of reducing the number of directors.. But
trieen,L" the Noble Lord propose to do? Supposing that the
Pobi,,T, taken in the House substantiated the statements of his
he th- 'riend, what could he do then? Why, nothing; therefote
°l.jght that his Noble Friend should not press the motn?n.
saitreadlautained that there was no monopoly sought to be main-
the r, 13Y the Loudest and North-Western Company against
Oat ',rest Western Company. The Bill which was authorised
It's:te:llort authorised the use of the line freely by the Great
trraie;rla, Company. They could, if they thought fit, run
usss--,:rurn Oxford to Birmingham and from Birmingham to
des-r",... But what did the Noble and Learned Lord seek to
isle sle seeks that the Great Western Company should ob-
lisidelk)fsession of the line against four-fifths of the shared-
!lore,',ll„,who Ware opposed to it. So far from the London an
Wee western Company seeking to exclude the Great
tees
tls s-4
4 mpany, they had not the power to do so, as the
Provided for the concurrent use of the line. If they
ght
teed ,Proper to go into an investigation, he considered they
that 47 losing valuable time, but if they did agree he trusted
*hat '"e
end r Noble and Learne Lord (Lyndhurst) would state
miauhe had in view by the inquiry.
lIATHERTON -would trouble the House a few
to es while he stated the reasons which had led him
Tl,esuPPort the Oxford and Birmingham Railway Bill.
tbj4r°Prietory and directors were almost the same. Their
Portedtrtas to serve the same districts, and as they were sup-
hoe „, °Y the same evidence these two lines were the crea-
k "' Public wants and opinion' in that part of the kingdom.
taio,ble Friend had old him that the Grand Junction was
to i. 41/ the promoters of this line, and took an active interest
' hey did so from a sense of the necessity of establish-
ill :ft.
fee_eßcP_Mirmipetnghing
am and line: with the London
The lines and
were sup Birmingham, be-
ported by
as2u Pincipal towns of Birmingham, and so overwhelming 44; the evidence given by these gentlemen in favour of the
trioas one likely to accommodate the manufactures of the dis-
that the Committee both of this and the other House
t 5 ti sanctioned the railway. If the Great Western
t'aid no., however, purchase the line, they were to be
4 em-
be Wered to run trains on the line, no other company to
al-
-4d
that privilege. If the North-Western Company
tinethe proprietors of the line they would
ectually destroy that competition with the Great
Zi'Nem which Parliament wished to create, as they
ght by crowding the Birmingham line with heavy
tiloeral traffic prevent the rapid passage of passenger traffic on
e Oxford line. Both the Birmingham and Oxford and the
toirolingharn, Wolverhampton, and Dudley Companies refused
hsceette to the proposition of the Birmingham Company.
stiecane the offer of Mr. Moseley, a gentleman extensively
ged in share transactions in Manchester and L verpool,
hiaiwt,c_ill acquainted with railway matters. He would not call
lerr4 " mouth piece" of the Birmingham Company, as that
festaltd much displeased him at one of this meetings, but he
seep': aPpeared to be the agent of that company. as he took
tb;re,°°t of his pocket and Offered certain terms in the name
t,heir Crth-W estern Company, if they would consent to lease
our the that company and to repudiate the Great Western..
most Pr°Position was scouted by the meeting ; and it was
re
that a of Mr. Glyn'3 standing, and of
,t,el:4Pserience, should haven so far forgotten himself as to have
the ‘,l`l the offer. He would not enter into the legal view. of
whith °,.'e transaction - but to show the difficult position in
the
ht" Oxford 'Company was placed be should state that
13,e Nod Western Company, and who were detetmined to
line Ise 'lie the a
Now,
higtreernent with the Great Western, which had
accordance with the Act under which the
ihte:r4: 1,1,1) e constructed.in
'tier their HAM said that he was not disposed. to. per-
the tole Lordships to postpone or put off this inquiry, on
tNed ground that he was not able to see his way clear to the
those, got It aPpeared to him that great irregularities had taken
hob.; not to lay fraud, between these two companies, and he
I'l ir that it was due to their Lordships, to the public, and
areinPanies themselves, that the inqairy should take
th;; "other House and that there would be no necessity
alpett'r Lordships trouliling' themselves about it. With
tafr4,l t° the language of the petitioners, that they
t'rteuiry, he had never yet heard of any abase, the
• ° which did not always pretend to court inqin.ry.
ughths"e"ss said that there was a Bill in another place, which
trs,,, ate down there, or rather, he should say, come up
„st, laugh)—and which also might not come there; oh,
'47'4 the Noble Lord, What signities that, if it does not
,tkaffiqe"P here it will be inquired into elsewhere. He had great
bat it lee in that other place. He had the greatest respect
eeej," Possible to entertain towards that other place arid its
,""te „ 'ngs, When he considered how it was made up of share-
r- who could not sit on this Committee but could on that,
i„eos:,Tembered the courtesies and compliments that passed
th themselves, he must confess that he had not confidence
iiarli4"eedings, 'he would net
.say of that other place, but
at tilet °ther place; and that opinosn. had induced him to think
Y ought to keep the inquiry in that place.—(. Hear and
to s er
„r 11,', He thought, however, that the Committee ought
4th ed by the Committee of Selection.—( Hear.)
0111::gareuis of LANDSDOWNE wished to know if the
t,a,itl Learned Lord who made the motion had any objec-
lecti,:"°w the Committee to be named by the Committee of
t LQ,.(I ?
't°oo ''YNDHURST said he had no objection to the course
t 44'
th 41 PIT
sh„ , Z WILLIAM thought it was most desirable that
inier i:;11 have an impartial Committee, but he doubted if a
i"llh,'°lnrisittee could be selected in the ordinary way. He
''hsve" loch a Committee would be too small. The ought
o°,4lieti,,4l4rge one, embracing as far as possible the various
that thy'
views on the subject. It was a most important
th"t 41 he I i ly saw what the end of all this would be,
z.i.,keet‘faecutiPveagnoiernment wouldl have, in a great measure,
ti;!lr owri'Le, control of these great lines of communication into
il,rse,
0,
.o
ads. It was not to be borne that all the great
,9e Intercommunication in this country should fall into
of three or four great companies. He was glad to
;Nis; !'ae feeling of their Lobrdships on this subject, as his only
~ttive Proposing to enlarge the Committe was to make it as
of
r, possible.
oorti `.•AINIPBELL asked Lord Brougham if he had any
1.N.d..51,44 to bring forward ?
eft " 'IROUGHAM said he had some other petitions to
I epa llt
0.0.
.t CAIIPRELL suggested that the petitions had better
presented,,
led"rd LYNaDadlitUhfte seoTtnmittee appointed afterwards.
aitlrtilade certain statemen'tasid h the authorit on which he
int ahtis address way s that of
Mr.
Itts;.eY, the agent of the London and North-Western Com-
e After _
4,4 Att few words from Lord STANLEY, in explanation on
ie his of Parliament under which the agreement lie referred
thlsorets%le,_,ech,
,had been made,
ars ''-iLGHAM presented two petitions of a similar
pt theethe.to the one presented by Lord Lyndhurst, in reference
rtstol and Exeter and Crediton and Exeter Railway
ihresotes,
names im,,Gtioll for a Select Committee on the several schemes
the petitions was then agreed to
4;The but CANAL NAVIGATION.
nod. ," of RICHMOND presented a petition from err-
‘ ,hareholders complaining of the difficulties they
Pra;4inred,under in regard' to opposing railway companies,
g for II remedy.
This
LOAN BILL.
Bill was read a third time and d
passe .
This Bill
ONSOLAE BILL.
was Ito read a IDthird T
timeD and passed.
I-°rd Niss,, IRISH POOR-LAW.
ss°44ls, `-"NTEAGLE gave notice that on this day week he
t'efklf 4,_ye, for a Select Committee to inquire into the best
girdir, "Ministering the por-laws in Ireland, and especially
The•-lg °ut-door relief.
lr Lordships then adjourned.
The "
110 US E co ti we VS March 16.
bet; ire
0,, AKER took the Chair at few minutes
", Lem , NEW MEMBER.
kltt
or „
th, RT k.,oszYs;un.tic took the oaths and his
borouth of Canterbury.
jilt Art ito IRISH POOR-LAW.
t'eat erl NT• MF..mnett (whose name we could not learn)
IrE. .
x• Petition from the high sheriff and grand
taild. "'Ws County against the proposed pour-law for