The Sun.
London, England, 1840-04-15 00:00:00

PRICE sd.

suspected him. Ile might have got out of the window, but
Nitness must have heard him; and would have given an alarm.
Mary Ann Allen is the wife of last witness. Prisoner

ad never paid for his lodging the last time, and had fre-
!trendy told witness he had no money. Mrs. Jarvis
,rought him his dinner the Sunday after he came. On
he Sunday before the murder, he said he wanted some
nreakfist. Witness did net answer him, for they had
one. He went out directly, and returned about ono
.'clock in the afternoon. He said he had been drinking
.11 an empty stomach, which had made him very sick.
He lay down and got up again about five o'clock, asked
far some tea, and desired witness's little boy to fetch him
+- me, for he had taken a shilling while he was out, and
lad got sixpence left, with which he sent out for tea and
ugar. Mrs. Jarvis came before the prisoner get up
on Monday morning at eight o'clock, and she desired
to would strike haste and get up, as she wanted him
ogo to breakfast ; he got up and went out directly. Wit-
ess saw nothing more of him until his return on Tuesday,
as related in the evidence of the former witness. Witness
lid not go to sleep after prisoner came home, and it was
lay light soon after. It was nearer three than two when
drisoner came in. It was bright moonlight. Prisoner
got up about half-past seven, and went into the wash-
nouse, and from there into the privy. Witness heard the
loor. Witness went into the wash-house afterwards, and ,
,aw him there. He was standing by a table doing something
to his trowsers, and could not tell what be was doing.
Witness then retuted into the Pitting-room, and prisoner
aame in in about ten minutes. He asked for a
towel and wiped his face with it. Ho then went out. He
returned about a quarter past seven that evening. Wit-
ness had in the mean time heard of the death of Mr.
Templeman. When prisoner came home, witness told
aim it was well he had come home so soon, as she would
not leave her door open any more, in consequence of the
murder. Prisoner said he had just heard something about
it at the Rainbow. Her husband came in while they were
peaking about it, and the conversation dropped. Prisoner
went to the privy ; when be came back he said, " I don't
reel well—l suppose I'm horror struck like the rest."
When her husband went for the beer, she said to prisoner,
' This is a very shocking thing." He said, "It is—l
know very little about it." She asked him where he had
'seen that day. Ho said he had been to call on his aunt,
and had had good luck, the old lady was glad to see him ;
and that he had called on his cousin, and his cousin bad a
pair of shoes too large for him, and had given them to him.
During the latter part of the conversation, witness's hus-
band came in, and Richard was having his supper during
the latter part of it. The witness then asked him where
he had been over night. He said he had been at the
Rainbow ; he went in with a pint and came out with a
pint. Witness said, You could not have been there till
that time in the morning. He said, " I was gossipping."
A good deal of conversation occurred on the subject of
the difficulties ho was in, and prisoner said he
would rather be hung • than transported. Has seen
a stocking in which some money was found in
the privy. Saw a pair cf stockings rolled up by prisoner's
bedside on the Monday afternoon, while the prisoner was
out. Saw they were similar to what witness had washed
for him just before Christmas.
Cross-examined.—Never said anything about a bundle.
Never said she did not examine the bundle, to ascertain if
they were rolled up in a bundle or not. Did not unroll
the bundle. They were rolled up in the ordinary form of
pair of stockings. Took them up to look at them. The
stocking the money was found in was the outer stocking.
There was no mark on the stocking. He was to psy, when
he was in employment, 2s. a week. Prisoner owed wit-
ness perhaps as much as a pound when he came to lodge
last time.
Mr. CIiAM2ERS—You have ventured to say now it was
past two o'clock, were you always of that opinion ?
Witness—Yes.
Mr. CHAMBERS—When you went to the Police-office,
were you of that opinion ?
Witness—l believed it was two o'clock, but I have no
clock. Has had some conversation on the subject with her
husband since. Had heard all the particulars of Mr.

Templeman's death at about twelve o'clock that morning,
from her husband. With the exception of the interval
when her husband went out for the beer, he must have
heard everything that passed. Her husband said before
that, while the prisoner had gone to the privy, that he
thought Richard had a new pair of shoes; and witness
said she thought he bad blacked and shined his old ones.
Witness never asked prisoner about his shoes.
Mr. John Frimbly keeps the Rainbow, Liverpool-road,
Islington. Prisoner was at his house on 16th and 17th of
last month. He was there on the 16th, from early in the
afternoon until twenty minutes before twelve at night.
He wee playing at skittles. He afterwards went into the
tap-room at about a quarter past ten, and remained there
until he went away, in company with the persons with
whom he had been playing. On the following day he
came about three in the afternoon, and remained until
seven, in the tap-room. Witness's house is abcut half a
mile from Mr. Templeman's.
Robert Kites lives at Islington. Is a chimney-sweep.
Was at Frimbly's skittle-ground on the night of 16th
March. Prisoner was there. When he first came into
the ground he said ha had only three-halfpence. They
continued playing till nearly eleven o'clock. Prisoner
won some beer. They went into the tap-room.
Robert Pizey was at the Rainbow with prisoner and
last witness on 16th March. Witness was going out for
tome tobacco, and prisoner asked him to fetch a rushlight.
Ile did so. Prisoner gave him two half-pence to pay for it.
Mary Elizabeth King is wife of Robert King. Was at
the Rainbow on the 16th of March, Went to fetch her
husband. Saw the prisoner there. He had on the same
fustian coat he wears now. Saw something in his right-
hand pocket. It was long, and thick at one end. It was
'n his side-pocket. No part of it was uncovered. This
was when he was going away. It was lying across the
bittom of his pocket. After they came out, prisoner went
away alone in the direction of Mr. Templeman's cottage.
That was before twelve o'clock.
Cross-examined by Mr. CEIAMBERS—I-las never said
she did not recollect which way the prisoner went.
Inspector James Miller, N division—Went to Allen's at
a quarter past eleven, and apprehended the prisoner on
the evening of the 17th of March. Witness said, " Gould.".
The prisoner said, " What I" and appeared roused from
sleep. A light was procured, and witness again roused
him, and told him to get up. He got out of bed. On
getting out of bed he said, Where is your warrant ? Wit-
ness said he did not need a warrant. Gould said, What
do you want me for, then? Witness said, I suppose you
have heard of the murder ?—it is that I want you
fer. Gould smiled and sai I, "If I was as innocent
of everything as I am of that, I should not have
much to fear." He then picked up his clothes to dress
himself. Witness found in his trowsers pocket 9s ; whilst
counting it witness asked what money he had, and he said
Ps. In his waistcoat pocket he found seven lucifer matches,
And two duplicates for clothes. On the way to the station
house he spoke of a warrant that was out against him for
an assault. He said that he had been lately at Norwich.
Witness searched him at the station-house, and took from
Lis feet a pair of new shoes, which he produces. We
ked prisoner where he bought them, and he said in Kent-
street, in the Borough. Witness asked him what he had
done with his old ones? he replied he had thrown them
n-say. Witness then examined his clothes, and took from
him the waistcoat produced. Ile had three waistcoats
en, and this was the middle one ; it is stained with blood,
and is also burnt. Oa witness saying it had been stained
tt th blood, Gould said his clothes had often been stained
with blood. Oa Wednesday morning ho searched the
prisoner's bed-room, and found a single stocking ; it was
lying on a chair by the side of a box ; it was dirty ; when
prisoner was apprehended, Le had stockings on ; they were
a pair.
By the COURT--The waistcoat has not been subjected
to the same exatnination as the bag, to ascertain if it was
bloody.
Cross-examined—Witness knocked at the doo,r when lie
apprehended Gould, and Allen came out of bed in his
Olin to let witness in. Ile remained there ten minutes.
Gould put cn every thing be had, to carry it off on hits back.
((.is heard that the prisoner was in the habit of lighting.
RI-examinetl—Witness took the rope from deceased's
wrists—produces it. There was no knot tied at all ; the
cords were twisted. The wrists were firmly bound.
Tiiinks one person might have done it.
Richard Bradshaw is a police constable of N division.
Searched Allen's premises on Wednesday with Serjeant
King. Saw King find a stocking between the rafters and
tiling of the privy.
Thomas B. King is a sergeant of the N division of po-
lice. Accoml,a&ed Bradshaw in the sebnci
tage. Found the stockings produced • hidatthe first' raf-
tercot-
of the wash house. Tice height flils:he top of the
seat of the privy to the top of the rafter is five feet. The
stockings contained nineteen half-crowns, fort)-eight shit.
ln,s, and seven sixpences.
'Cross-examined—This was about seven o'clock in the
ornisg. Was examined minutely to look for a particu-
rar marked shilling, which could not be found. There was
a marked half-crown, which could not be spoken to.
Mary Anne Allen re-called, said that the stockin