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THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY, JUNE 3, IP4O.

the country to require both measures—convinced as he f observations, avoided the details of the way in which these
•,. • :•,•C) ; heo C•G
rees,cl..red, ii was
11lAt tire gr,:arest. dab-
coin( s existed, and it was upon those that the persons
who confounded very sound maxims would find themselves
disappointed, unliss they took the greatest care in
providing the uterus of carrying them into effect. In the
first place with respect to a large grant of money by the
State. 0 nitting all other con.iderati ihs it :a. a ques•
lion where great burthettl were :.Ir,.ady 'eel on 'lie
ropie, had where further arLitioa; :o the se ieitderie • ete
:squired by the exieenci, a of tie. s a questien
whetter these burdens slieuld be theroasel for r.ucti a hut_
pose In the test place the manner in wii ch the emtgra.
tion, was to take plies, and the elas:s to which it w.is to
be applied wire, in thetmelv 5, maters of great dtfeuitti
with the Sate. The persons who wished to I aye toe
country and to take their lab tor to ti r mark. is w•re
these who were least profitable at h ote, anti who Attolo
form the ereatest burl. n upon the coloni! a to whic,, .bey
would In'grto lo the coloni -s the elij, et aas ea.u.atly
ff character, the ohj-T: there being to
labourr>hr_ain the
those who Wtwe'reWrest able to give
effieieer work, and not the idiot and ctildren. Now the
d:e
Hon. Gentleman seemed to suppeie the: with regard to
the..e labourers the re was great denial-, on their part, and
that they would be teen's
ollCuu to r m•grate, bur from
the papers which had beet, laid on 'fir table it
by Lo means appeared trim sneh was the ease.
I ti,e letter of Mr. Smith. c"ntaining in,t.uct,ons to
emig, ants, it. was st, bet that the elites most wanted in the
Colonies were those who were in the greatest request at
home. Therefore, the fact was, that with regard to emi_
grants burdened with young children and old persoes. there
was no doubt a great wish to obtain the means of emigra-
tion to the Colonies, but these were the very clans whom
the Colonies did not want, and who were considered in the
Colonies as the greatest injury and evil that could be in-
flicted on them. If, on the other hand, they confined t hem-
Y•elves, as the Colonies endeavoured to confine themselves,
to the emigration of young couples who were able to
work and earn a subsistance in the Colonies, then they
would find, and he ( Lord John Russell) was not sorry far
it, that those persons were the parties moat in repute
at home; and that they objected to emigrate to
strange lands, arid declined the boon that was
offered to them. When these parties erriveU in the
colonies, if they merely said that the ship should carry out
a certain number of emigrants, and that they made no
provision in the colonies to which they went—if they had
not lands in which to locate them, and if there were not
some public works on which they could be employed, in
short if they did not make some provision before hand, they
w:uld be furnishing moans bi which those persons
uld be transferred from a state of hardship and rldfieulty
in their own country, to one i.f much greater priv.ttion an
misery in the colonies. He had very lately received
letters from the Governor of Jamaica, and the Governor-
General of Canada, praying that, in any measures
hid) might be adopted for the promotion of
emigration, due care would be taken that they might
'lave sufficient notice, in order that those emigrants
would be provided with work on their arriv..l. He
said this merely by way r,f a ivneral caution, least tic
Hou.e might act open the idea that they were in a
country abeundir,g in population where persons could nut

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devotion of direct vexation on the people of tnis coui.tev
for the purpose of emigration.--( Hear.) Nor was there
any necessity far it; nor was it at all implied in the resolu-
tions of the Hon Member for Limerick, otherwise he
bould vote against them, beitau e in the colonir s there
were already funds sufficient fel- he purpose, or which, at
all events, should fist be t xhausted f-r the purpose,
namely, the produce of the tied sal•-s —( Hear.) That
was the legitimate resource for such en ohj et. And
,t was to b! hoped that when the Sec.etary for he
Colonies had more leisure amidst his numerous and pres-
sing avocations, be would carry out the views cent in
hiarlate insoucticns to the Cohmial Land C, mmiAsioners;
in most ro hick he (Mr Ward) concurred, particularly in
'he admissions they contained of the importance of mi.
erarimi, and tip th fiwtion of the duii, s which the Com-
missioners should discharge: the collection ,f pecuniary an -I
,ta,istwal details—the etstiitmtitri aid application ~1 The
Land Sale Funds to emigration—its management an
direction. Tne main point in w hien he doubt d thei,
efficiency was in the absence of any 13,rliarneteary enact-
ments, to invest the Commissioners with that authority
without which all their effrrt- would he depeneeat n t
will of constantly-changing ColoniA S et-wail-Rs
application of the produce of the Colonial Lind Sales to
the purposes of emigration, was a principle nominally r. -
cognized, but really is terly disregard, d, and the abuses
which had taken place were enormous and dis-
eraccfal.—( Hear, hear, hear.) The purposes for ehich
these funds should be applied, ought to be defined
limited, and protected by the only mode in which it
could be effectually done—by Parliamentary enactment.
The purposes to which the land tune might be diverted
ought to be specified, its kgitirnale purpos s being emigre
tion. Those purposes ought to be specified in at, Act of
Parlinetit, for he had seen enough of the insufficiency of
instructions from the Colonial Office, and of the futility of
pledges of the Secretary of State, to place any reliance on
either, unless they were embodied in an Act of Parliament.
—( Hear, hear.) In a Committee, of which he had the
honour to be Chairman, when it was suggested that en Act
of Parliament should be founded on the resolution, it was
asked what could be more binding than the pledge of the
Colonial Secretary? But it was subsequently found that
not more than half of the sum which was promised to b.'
applied to emigration was applied to that purpose; and
when it was complained that the Governor of the Colony
had diverted a portion of the fund to purposes which
ught to have been met by the Treasury, or by local
taxation, the reply of his Noble Friend, the Secretary for
the Colonies was, that it was a very delightful and really
useful thing—(A laugh)—fur the Governor of a Colony
to have at his disposal a fund which he might apply to
meet other wants besides the purposes of emigration. !n
this respect the colony of Australia had an advantage in
the Act of Parliament under which it was formed. —( Hear,
hear.) To the application of the land fund to local pur.
poses there welt) many of jections. The I fit•et of such
taxation was to ihroa the enti'e burden of the local expe•-
diture upon the buyers of lend, who purchased in the first
instance on the faith that they w. re paying out of the
purchase money a portion of their greatest expense in cul-
tivation, which was the ircportation of lab iur. H.

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far from aiding the cause of emigration, which they ought
to encourage and regulate upon principle, they would be
introducing a system calculated to discourage whole some
emigration, and from the consequence of which both the
State and the colonies must suffer —( Cheers. )
Sir IZOBER PEEL wool t opt) se hr t e,t 100 l f the
Hon. Getelemee. re sameeieg p• ece -61" U •i
I te%foutien o, , b
Mts,- in a si,utltiau of -the er ee• s diffieuity 'o ;:fli ae
eh., (act principle. unless at the same time sem•• medied-
eme shown of carrying the principle our.—(Ch,,,s )
Gentler' en came doe n to Parliament asking h• in .o affi
abstract principle, and, having dote so, hey slit itet
the hutelen e..tireey from their own shoulders, and left it
it, Peril onent le 6 d the, means it carry ing out the pr.n
i It titer ha.l :Atoned. But he ent mimed Are-it doubts
to V;(.• oriiiciph• of these reeotuitous. Ti..' Hon Gen.
tleman propeeed two r. ; of which
ffirmed that the working classes in Great Britain and
Leland were frequently exposed to great privations from
ail inability to procure employment, end the other
that in several of tne British colonies the derrian-1 for la.
hour ass urgent, continuous, and increasing, and its re-
muneration comparatively smote. N-es he had follewed
that up by a third resolution, stating that it was desirable
to retrieve every obstructioo in the way of pereees desirous
of emigrating to the colonies that would be a logi al
sccpieace ; but to say that those who could best afford to
pey, that the colonies, where the demand for labour was
urgent, and its remuheratiett ample, should be at no ex-
pense. and that the mother country should be at the whole
expense of the emigration of those persons to the colonies
which would be benefited by their labour, was a sequence
by no means logical. If the remuneration were ample in
the colonies,ought not the colonies to pay part of the expense?
The Hon. Gentleman said the demand was urgent ; if
there was any obstruction in the way of emigration re-
move it ; if there was any facility wanting supply it ; but
if the demand for labour was urgent, and the remunera.
tion ample, why shou:d they give a bounty upon its ex-
port ; and why should the state be called upon exclusively
to give that bounty ? Suppose the Hon. Gentleman was
to affirm that there was a considerable quantity of ma-
chinery lying idle in this country, and that it might be most
usefully etnployed in the colonies, he could not suppose
that therefore the S ate should be at the expense of the
transfer of that machinery. He (Sir R Peel) could not
see any difference in the principle.—(l4ear.) But the
Hon. Gentl :men had made the demand for labour the ex-
clusive test for sending it out to the colonies. He did
did not say that there were political reasons fur encour.g
meg emigration to particular Colonies, but he said that eini-
grat ton she old take place to those colonies a hich offered the
greatest reward for industry. This resolution completely
ed them up. It might be politic to increase the British
enpulaiion to Celia :a, so as esentually to overpower the
French opulwion, and it might be politic in the Sate
to employ its funds in sending its -urplus population to
to Csn..da for that purpose; but the Hen Gent stepped in
with his resolution and pi opesed such atest es should restrict
the Oruro; to proinotieg ern;gration to those eolenies which
off led the greatest rewards to industry. Perhaps at the
present time the colony et British G. ff

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when be (Mr. Sr rgeaet TaltOurd) heard that Mr. Vin..
cent was transferred to a prison which was intended solely
for criminals who had been sentenced to transportatien, he
felt that it was a punishment which the Judges did not at
allcontemplate when they pe,sed the sentence Tbe psi
ibitr4ll :ha, c•, fly!. I ;“
k . F••Kro, 0 eeeotes ee
..;i ,„; ee a eeiiee re ee tee erie.e• I irc,R,
re the p, Ji,eiplin aced t. bus he ewe pre‘ente. fr.,"
coniniunice to will) hi, 1 lends (c, en by letter) more fre-
quently thin once in feurinenths. —( Hear, hear ) Irt the
,ulee of the Penitentiary it was stated that the permis-ien
14 as given Li ceder to enable the p isonere to k ep up a
Sibitrit.xi,n with respectable persons, through %bow means
afee wards their reformation rnignt bee ffeeted. an .1 not fear
te.e titers,' f step doting' Them with the • ews of the day.
rn.t vas a regulation re hich c• uld not at all refer to the
case of ',Leh a person as sir. Vincent.—( Neer, beer. )
When the punishment of imprisonment was enacted for
effences of the kind of which the petitioner had been found
guilty, those additional severties were riot contemplated
When Sir Charles Wolseley was sentenced te imprieen-
meta for salssee upon himself the effi .e of Parliamentaey
attorney, he was not only allowed indtegences to
prison, but he was permitted to go out of the geol to
listen to the trials. When Mr. Lovett, the proprietor of
the Statesman was imprisoned for seditious libel, h.' was
tint only 'to commun?ceic daily with his friends,
hut to edite his Paper, and the proof-sheets were regularly
transmitted to him for correction. Mr. Cobbett was
also allowed to edite his Register," and occupy handsome
apartments, provided with every convenience, during tiie
term of his imprisonment.—( Hear, hear.) It should be
remembered that there were peculiar circumstances con-
nected with the law of libel, which rendered it neceseery
Viet the punishment appointed by the Judges should not
be resider d more severe. In the case of the conductor or
publ slier of a newspaper there was frequently no moral
respnnsibility. There was frequently no possibility of the
publisher reading all the articles.--( Hear, hear ) In the
case of Mr. Lawson, a most respectable publisher, if the
sentence of the Judges had been carried out in the same
manner as in the case of Mr. Vincent, would it not he
admitted that thepuaishment greatly exceeded the offence ?
He kuew it might be said that such offences were of
as deep moral character as others more ignominiously
punished.—(Hear, hear, hear ) But the human mine!
required something more. It required that appropriateness
of punishment, without which no public good could be
eff-cted.--( Hear, hear.) Would the public endure that
the pnaishnient of high treason by a person of high renk
and scholarly attainments should be public whipeieg ?
i Hear, hear.) In the case of pillory, when an officer 0f
high rank and considerand achievements in the service of
his country. was sentenced to that punishment, not oily
was the punishment not infl clef!, but the pillory was abo.
lished.—( Hear, hear.) With respect so the severities of
the punishment of imprisonment, th, re was no respensibr-
lity as to the extent to which it might be carried. The
Judges .bo pissed the sentence lied no control over tne
Justices who regulated the prisons—the ..lieticee we re con-
trolled only by the Home-etfice, and the Horne, ffice did

meony ei ruiana I ffei ett tie great. hot interf re with the M,g,sira•ea, tgistra•ea. Il nie case of Mr
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ebtainwoik. while in the colonies laneur was exceeedingly est reward to Midst) indus•ry. and in accordance Kith the Feargus O'Connn-, if there was one went of truth in the
would not go into minute details. which his Noble
Friend, the Secretary for the Celt nies. had admitted sought after, anti shit its reward was very great, and that resolution they should, prefer sending emigrants to statements—the Judges, in passing the sentence, did not
in his instructions to the Cominissioners, but he must ex. it was a very easy titi„g, requiring very little cure to get rid of Demerara and British Gui.ina to sending them to Canada; contemplate any such punishment as that gentleman vre.s
press a hope that the Noble Lord would net disappoint the the superabundant popula ion at home. No doubt there but it eh' not follow that the State should find the means subjected to. The regulario .5 of the prisons ought to be
expectations which bad been mid out to the ',mere or was much to be d hie in t ~,t way, and touch tied b• en ehen British Guit us itself could well afferd to find the such that the Judges rzhould know the conseq•iences ot
the appointment of a Commission, It his Noble Friend done by means of the Enpgretiou Cormei,sioners, means for the tranaPort of any labour that it might re_ their sentence. All who took part ire the Legislature shiireet
aid nut wish to see the instructions mere waste paper, he It appear. d that up to ihe year 1837 630,000 pt r- quire —k Hear ) Toe' Hun. Gentlemen also proposed in the resoonstieloy.—( Hear.) Thiele- c,.uld be' no excuse.
should give art assuranee that a 811 should be brought in sons had b'en sent eut to the c"loeiess and since to fureisn mittens to the lebourieg class who might be de- —( Hear.) The Mena-els of that House were all guilty it
by the commencement of next Session, to carry into eif et 1830 nearly 1,000.000 of persons had emigrated. s'rous of em grating. There was no specification as to the the: Governer was alto e..d to continue those regulations _
the views laid down in these instructi„ns. He had a great Hi. Hon F. i• nd said the sums received by the sale of land number in a Lindy. A man with five or six children ( Hear,) He appealed to Kin. Gentlemen oppo-ite, who
objection to leave the expenses of emigration to the dis in the Aul'ali'in eo'n"ies w's an entirely new fal,d, and might be the n ost desirous of eniigi :sting, but it by not referred with pride to the times Alien their party was in
cretion of the Lords of the Treasury and the chanceihe not known unifisre 1831. and therefore the Government had means, followed that be wes the fittest person to emigrant, power, and when the punishment of political effences wets
of the Exchequer. He would much rather see the proper on light to giant it fer these purposes Now, he con or the une !0 e hole assis'aece should be effirded. He did much more lenient. —Over ) The Hon, and Learned
funds applied 'o the purpose under the control of the Co. sidered if th. se were new res. urces air ernier eten, it was +tut no an to say that no fatality should he af- Gentleman concluded by moving that :in bumble address
lonial Secretary under the regulations of an yet of Par. right the Gevernm••rit should serail e some credit for then, e•oted to emigration. The State might interfhie to be presented to her Majesty for the removal i•
liamenr, with ut which there could b., no hope of the fund because, before 1831,f Mr. Yin.
these w, re fusde nut knovvo to toe ff id accurate information as to the state of the rent to another gaol, or for the remission of a part of his
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being turned to the service er the colony, dud the benefit Government, aad owing to a faulty ay-tint. the lands bed d ffsrent Colenies—'o see that the emigrant ees els sentence, in consideration of the suffering which he had en.
of the labouring classes of this country. heel, grant. d without suffivieto di crintireoion ; suet, at all were properly p
VERNONovided with medical assistance, and were lured.
Mr. sM I I'H said that he would not
events, that the Films were no: appli•'d to the iransniiss'on not in a defective state. But there was great danger in Mr. WILLIAMS said, as the Hon, and Learned Meal
have proposition of hie Hon. and att. of emigrants, as they bad b. en since that period, But the State being at the eapenee en the treester ut ieouur
tier had stated, in extenuation of Mr. Vincent's case, that
lent Friend
ut' rifere
Fr'ietdodppwolstih the
te,to send this question to aC. nano. hi-,Hon. Friend argued, because the sums &need from from one country to another. It was easy to talk of the he took no part in the outbreak at Monmouth, he
must
tee, if he did not think that nothing could more obstruct the land sales had been apihied to th,, car, i,g, of emi_ funds of the State, but how were those funds raised except admit the truth of that statement, inasmuch as Mr. Yin-
the proper discharge of the duties of the Colonial Office. grants from this country to Australie, they should be al- by taxes? Gentlemen always talked as it' the State rent, fortunately tor himself, could not take part in the
His Noble Friend the. Colonial Secretary and himself
plied to no other purpose, which w•is going hey oed the esti large funds into which it was easy to dip their hands,
disturbances, being in prison at the time. But he
might be appoiiited on sum) a Cometitteu —( Hear, and ieginal intereions of the Goverement. and what the. He did not know how the ueeessary funds acre to bi- (Mr. Williams) being a resident Magistrate of the
a laugh•) He could nut give a gen• rat contradiction to House would reasonably ask; because, although it was if - raised exc. pt by taxing some party or another. After all, county, felt bound to say that Mr, Vincent had
the propueition of the Hon Meenb r fear Liate.iek. Hi- sirable these auto, derived froth the sale 01 land should be what was the proposal unless that one class of the commu. b-en the chief cause of all that had occurred.
eredd not deity the exigence of great distr. s, in 'relend spelted to eruigration•aod ' e agreed mthe utility of rpplying oily should be taxed for the purp'ise of enabling another He bad no hesitation in sating that Mr. Vincent, -thee tie thought on the one hem" class to emigrate to a land in welch there Was a great de- tending those meetings, and carrying on the batpublion
and E gland. nor could be fumy tne expediency of dirril. intim for that putting!,
it e„,,e„ed tha pe,ch.,sers of land within that reasonable (nand fur labour and an ample remuneration for it ? He called the Western Vindicator, had brought all these
niehitig at all times the temptations to erhee, and im-
proving the moral and physical condition of tar. peeple. ••ompase either which tons and villa;; .s should be could not see the justice of such a proceeding, and he did things to pass, and had placed a naturally qeiet penile in
especially when there was a g.,,,erat feeling for a delete,- ea-ewe& and on the other h.lid it sent the lab oin'r frhin nut !lila it edaisalhe 0, accede to the proposition then a State of insurrection.
the L d place
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to the Alhough he felt c„t)vinerd that
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tion of punishmt nts, es was exehplified en the notice of the uiis chtehry to be eiritiloe* dOn the capital there invested- before the House. His should observe that, for his .efr, Vincent had
b
aeea' motion he
H Member fer !pee ice, which stood on the paper f O He did not think they could lay it down es an iiivioleble psrt, hteotshcou.ghht,t there wthai:iraesmtaotreasl
of tenants,
onfor
ttlhe.theh thne this day.--( Hear, I-ear ) He admitted that the grew erieciple uretold, tnat for the pu-poses of emigraon alone retold part of h
question which ',gloved the colonial empire arcs the wan, eiese fault, let used, because lb, y came :hen to the qu"s• purpose of improving them, to provide by emigration, or tea been treated according to law. All hi, wished was to
of labour, but be did not admit that there was not . ion to which they must arrive— namely, as to the other., x - otherwise, f..:r those whom they had dispos.,essi•d of their guard the House against treating lightly the proceedings
sufficient encouragement give nto emigration, He 'either eerises of the colony. If they were prepared to say that holdings.—( Hear, hear.) He thought that there existed of a man whom he firmly believed had been the primary
attributed the itieufficieney of emigration to the doubts ell other expenses of the colony should be bor„, by this such a moral obligation, and that it would otherwise be
cause of all that had happened.
entertained by those classes who might be expected to country, to which extent no doubt the proposition might impossible to palliate such acts as sudden notices of eject- Mr. FOX MA ULE said that his Hon. and Learned
emigrate es to the prospects of improvement and the fit. ';e carried, it would be uuretvo„ble ; but if not, if thy - ment to ninety or a hundred families.—( Hear, hear.) Friend who had brought forward the present motion,
ness of the clima•es and circumstanc, a ut the colonies to said with regard to many of these expenses they must Proceedings of that nature might be justified on priori- and not informed him with what he ietanded
their habits and resources. It was proposed by the lion, look to toe colony itself—he thought the colony itself and pies of poittical economy, but could not be justified on to conclude; but he was prepared to say, that
Member fie Limerick, that every person who wished to emi. the inhabitants would rather have these sums derived from principles of moral duty.—(Renewed cries of " Hear, be could not meet the motion he had made with
grate should be enabled to do so at the public expense; the sale of the land than not have these objects provided bear.") He thought the state ought to be cautious how it the assent which be wished. When he looked at the
but he was sure the Kruse would not expect that the Go. for, if they would grant local taxes for the purpose, or relieved private individuals from the obligation of provid- conduct of Me Vincent, and the sentence that had beet.
vernment would ever consent to a resolution of that kind, increased duties, he should be very glad, but he trig for the future maintenance of those who were driven passed upon him he thought trere would ho some risk in
bolting out to the poor expectations which there were no thought neither the inhabitants of. the colony nor the out of their possessions. He should object to the motion, raising popular sympathy for one who had clos.e so much
means ot realizing ; but his Hon. Friend, the Member for emigrants would prefer their) neglecting all other expenses befcne the Hours., as he !bought it was liable to many to disturb the peace of the country.—( Hear, hear,) Mr.
Sheffield supposed that the land fund would be sufficient fur the sake of promoting emigration, because when a per_ objections. iEe.. feared that it would tend to discourage
.the Vincent„ when his sentence was first passed. was confined
for the expenses of emigration, if it were api.l ed to no other son bought land there he required that he should be pro_ exertions which 'night be made by individuals or societies, in Monmouth gaol, and his Learned Friend admitted, that inn
purposes. But if that were the ease, all those other ex. tected by police in the possession of it, and that if it were or pen hap, by the parishes under the peer_la, for the that gaol indulgences had been shown him that were not gen-
eies to which the land fund was spotted, must fall taken, there should be an executive power to afford him emigration of labourers, and be would therefore vote fur srally given. He was allowed the free use of writing
state of Mr. Marryat, the Visiting
Pupon the Treasury, and that could not meet the wishes of redress, without which no person would buy land or mi_ the amendment.
•naterials, and what was the use he made of theni ?
his Hon. Friend, who bad such a horror of that depart. grate to the colonies, l'n„refore, though. he thought.
.the Mr. HUTT said in explanation that he had never con. Why,. to conduct his Journal called the Western
meat of the public. service. But in cases iii which alffh. priumple sound as to the app!icadon of money arising templated. that a
,fun. d for the purpose of emigration shoult: Vrotnti,:!oc.tatiore,
hiandotrhdeer to excite the people to acts of iesur.
2,t however he migl t Ilagistrate of the
rences arose between the mother-country and the colons from the sale of lands in the colony, itwas
(pounseht.adletdo
by
lti tremderr.itedullhritini toaxißngatihF:sNcestaundtrtyo.,
on the question of' expenditure, where etas the fund to storeasonable extent, or involved a principle
gaol, that the paragraphs sent from Mr.
come from to meet it?
those who argued that it should be applied to that pur- eitTer from some of the principles advanced by the Riel t Vincent for publication were of such a nature, that he felt it
Mr. H U VlE—Local taxation,
poe alone, and tither meant that the administrationof Han. B.rottet the Member for Tamworth, he thought that
eis duty to put a stop to them. Wnen the disturbances at
Mr. V. SMI tH—But if the land fund were refused fir justtce and the necessary
expenses
of the Executive , toe Righit Hun,. Baguet
joflidieco,tbrh;atvodrsvdefortinrhe,itthmhouipserhier,apb,sy,osnd,,e7t!,.oreunonorictsi,npdgoitii:h,..e.
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ji7utsotupitt,:her,ttoro;ekr p,,mlaLneud,ne,M,riy,r:fi:Nrhlaatthrreym-a,,art.keenvdoirnetthehereutottrsthen:quillNdi'lilsibitt..e;
Visit-
purposes of police, and other charges, why should not all
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all
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local taxation be refused? Although he admitted that
the mother.countrY must look to a period when His Hon. Friend, :deed ar„..d,thatthe eihnhs were ahi,... iiia out arty specific nicatis for carrying his reseletions itio I removed from Monmouth gaol. Such a recommenda.
her colonies may be able to protect and govern the,. applied by the Governor of the Colony But is had effect was that he theught that duty should devolve on the He, was scut to the 6eeretary of 6:ate, atiti
selves yet until the colonies had arrived at that maturity, ,ever been proved there had been such misapplicaton, or Executive Government. He would not, however, pro's hen the question came—to what prison he should
it was necessary fur her to maintain her control over them. 'hat the Governor asked for more than was necessary fur his motion to a division.en removed ? The only prison suppotted by the
end to proeide for their expenees. He admitted that all the support of the Colonial Es tiblishment. A case took The motion was theiz,noAnnieLie.:‘ivt:itgA.ertirtoswb.it,hito,gut a dieisirn, sit
RAS the P. uetentiary at Milbank, and to that orison .
place lot long ae,•ot He was sorry to fi•id the Ceuncil in
in a Bill to pre. nurse when he entered the prison he wes suejected to ii,
colonial expenses ought to be submitted to the Treasury.
•herefore it was thought expedient to send him, 0
eani.'sty,lo..a.ttihducdasatthee
cljortßimun cation in certain cases, geld— Iscipline. Upon entering it. Mr Vincent felt it
dot
m-
t,oxliaernesreosluotriittiini.epoit,itioe.pioTvihd.e.
vicLeert.i.irSiEwYß‘Mayo
but his Hon. Friend the :11 mbar fur Sheffi •Id seemed t,
asst, that that should not be the case. as he was desirous to tVrannuDn.eietmh
put all the matters into an Act of Parliament. Now he Governor asked them if they thought the police excessive, Cases had beer, brought forward as evidence in which it ,0 be an tidy:image than an inconvenietice. and signed him-
would venture to say that it would be impossible for him ir the salaries too large. They were unaniineusly of appeared that the interests of the public had not beer -elf " her happy son." It Mr. Vincent had been suljected
to do so ; fur iupposing such an Act was introduced, he fir opinion that not a single man could be apart d, and that buffici.e tIY regarded, In aging thha he d d not meat, te re the strict discipline of Monmouth gaol, he would hay-,
one eteedd Ike to see how the Hon. Ault); r would pre_ none of the salaries were excessive, but they %vete not dis. cast any impu ation against the Directors of Rattnr) -uff red the same treatment he was at present receiving
scribe to the Government or the country what course ,h„, hosed to impose fresh burdens for that purpose, but I, fi est ibiishments, b, cause the evil was mete owing to the rite Government had felt that there ought to be a dts, inc.
should pursue in the increased demand tor colonisation; °rho% t to be Provided for out of the Crown revetio e 'legit cl with niiieli Pet ',amen? had, on the first esteblish ion between the puitishir e.t for f. lon, end for Imiiri,v
they were no raise further money for the wants of the e - derived from the sale of land; so that the question 1,•19 went of the s - companies, omitted p ono re to leeislete. :iffeiees end in order io adopt the 'Penitentiary to the
luny, because if they came to Parliament it would 5ay....... -ens not whether there store ebuses iti this expendoute, but •Btu, it was net now too late to etienipt to remedy theevil ,etter species of off •nees, it Kits intended to make
You have an Act or Perliament aid you must sti,k by it, whether these necessary expenses being to be provoleo and that was the main object of the Bill. t g is:
Its first o.iject ,Iteratioes in the regulations of that prison. It appeared
He true ed in what he had said that it would not be ter, they shauld be provided tor, in the first pltee, out of would be to connect with the Board et Trade a deeart- it him that cases of the piesent kind entght ho nitt with
suppescd th. re was a feeling at the Coleilialeiffice he land sale, the C. lonial funds, or taxes to he voted by merit, which shou,d have plAer ;o call for all eccoteits. tar bed. rin prisons of the deseriptlon of the Pi•nite ;dart
against ernieretion. It certainty was tire duty of the Go he people of this eoentie. He believed this country a auttical arid fioanaial, cutinecti d with reilways, are'. than in rehe-e where Judges might indiscreemshay ssen-U
v. riiment, weer,. pries were desirous of . Entg,atioz. to would not be very wiling 10 hear this exit 'rise, sn't the l'o to ebt-in the i-foi illation, which was much ail•etders He could !lot consent to the moot, of iii, H
in
assist them as far as possible_teet was the utmost which. Council were net willing loimpese new taxes on the col; e wanted it, the /louse, to enable it to judg• d Learned Friend that tie. Housoe ah„,id ad..b.,a, he;
in his opinion the G,,vereitient ought to do—they ought nits, and theref ,re they resorted to the sale of land. I,le how far the great Potveril with which the Companies Majes.y to remove Mr Vine_nt :moms to
penitent,.
v.
not to fence emigration by holding out hopes that couto did net think it a wise application of the money. ta, had been entrusted, had been eix,reised for the benefit of e •causehhe only gaol to ethic!) he coidd be sett would ibe
never be realise a. fUe Considered the third resolution of bought the Gelonial . Council would de better to in. the public. Then as to the bye-laws of the Companies, so Aluninoetle and he felt convinced that that prison wee re
of the Hon. Gentleman as 'calculate-el to do melting more (.re.i,e the leeal-ratt.s, and all ,w the application of the ter as they off' eted the public, they Were to he submitted more fit tor Mr Vincent than when he Wax retnoved-fro.nli
than give an opportunity to every man who found himself and sales to emigration, by which the genital Piolouitt to this Board for Litpreital. Further, the Board teas th ti to the Penitentiary. Hs. meet therefore ob' 'Ct 10 the
ill at ease at home to call upon the G .vernment an .1 de- ~t the Colony, increased ; but while he sh, ce : i..!, t:,(is he eave. the power of enlo,elog all Acts of Perhameut con remov •I of Mr. Vincent from the Penitenti iry,jhut at the'
mend to be transported to some one or other of the coin- could • not agree in the ceristee ea the s'" 'Wry certinieraileveys, since cases had occurr,,d in which Cu,,.., „rile time co„seonog to give him every to
rence which
ides. The eno-no,us expense on such a system he nerd et' State, or the Treasury, n,r that which
_was I.,.antes. had not acted in conformity with their Acts. The could be consistently given. The bidet; part of
nut detail to the Weise Tee whole tone of th,. debate ore conisenie,,,, solely of the "roue nof the Colon') Mani were further to have the power of sendirig inspector,. the proposition of his Honourable and Lear aF •
ne. :lend
had been so anate„hie that he would not dciaii, the House 'tot to provide for these expense•. T),er,) ),,a): a queseo, to railways either before or after opening, in order to ob. •te could aet consent to; name!that of . '
y,
further than to say that to the two first resolution. there into which he would ...ot now enter, namely, At, thee having s rye the arrangements. to see any misconduct, and to re. to Mr. Vincent.
etitod be to, (.13j ction, but us to the third resolu ion he established the system of tramp at-tour in New South monwrate thereon to the Directors. These were the main Mr. Sc. geent TA LFOURD— •
That Is not the terms of
trust, d the House would hot adopt it. The Hon. Mem. Wales and Veit Diemen's Land, they had out thereht a:ive- ijr°''almts of the Bill, and leaving their further elucidation eh.. untie.. ;itis to atirid-, ..e: • ,
e ore punishment.
bit cone.uderi by moving the le emus question, to th. se Colonies a beriefit which more than ceunierb . kill the measure was before. the House, he now would cone Mr. FOX ,MULE stated that if '
Mr. SLAM EY r lioted that the present question hae emcee! any additional ext., rise entailed upon them in emit:. tent Infused wish simply moving f e perintssion to brut L •
g earned Friend had given him the terms of his notice, he
been biought so fully b fore the House, b. cause hI ir et. me, d 10, ,Ce —( Hear. hear.) He thought the: Coettee dor of it in.—le • are giveo,
upon it es one of pereneunt into ;rfanee. To, senile.. tie Exchequer might Argue that they had, lor he tees ii-. CASE OF VINCEN'I AND OTHERS. should have been better able to have met it. After
reading the notice, he saw that its
fled been discussed as a ceioned questiet, ; 1104. 11 Was 1,1, .tt/te,l by . •gen• I. men aim preeessed fare eetates ,n tie. Mr. F, KELLY having postponed his motion res ect. abrid e the t .rms of sh _ purpose was to
punt ment. But he did no: thirik
intentien to take a diff,rent view ut t', surd c.,m,idur it „, , ;,;,,L,n.„ and „h„ had eritten a pamphlet in, the Atli c , it.g the puht.hownt of di ash, on account of the latch of that gthe 1' I Ilhe had yet arrived when such advice
home question, and one text teas big bly lee. est he e t the price re free ter, .ur was 131 pet aiilllllll, and tree the teen (el• yen et,•lock ),
could be given to her Majesty When the
to the WOl king classes of the tener.. lie agreed etre e thi' e or, it•ts tit, 61. ; this, hoot,. r, we: not a met er ut Mr. Sergeant TA LFOU RD said (after presenting crime of which Mr. Vincent bed b. n euilty w
nis Hon. Foetid th. Member for Se. ffieid, that emigre principle but of account beiw"" the Coleny mud the inh. soin,• petitheis in favour of Marrs. O'Connor and Vim. censidered, and when the Hous fie dee a 4
non should be elicouraged, but he doubted the propricit :her cotintry• H s Hon, Frisrei the alemher for Sh ffield cote), tie Lai now to trespass as shortly as possible upen had taken place in censequencee reflected
that
of ceiling upon the Gevernmeut to pay the expenses of it dad complaint-d of the iesuffieient instructions that bad been the :therein,' of dik. House in bringing forware pres eti t
wo cases moment it was only blown over for a seaso'n. he thought
He begged to return hi', thanks to the I-lon. Member fie ,iv nto the Colonial Conimee,„o„, bun he ( Lord John inrol,i,g the vame principle though the details were essen- they would agree with him that it would be it; rude
Limerick fur the pains be hied taken on the subject but he teessial) had thought that it would be better to appoint a daily ddierent, and he would first state the facts ef the remit the sentences of those who had been mosti guilty to
could r.ot agree with his conciudnig resolution, because, if Commission that should attend exclusively to this subject, case of H• my Vine. nt, in whose favour the petition of the exciting the penile to those disturbances whit totulti lace)
Government were to bs called them to pr vide a free pas. and receive all communications front the Colonies or from Radical Club had been presented. It had fallen to kit lot in the last autumn. He had no wish to see unneeePssary
sage for emigrants, such expense must be raised out of my persons; at home interested in the subject, and thus be aequieesome pea sohal knowledge of the cast and that know- severities praetised towards any.one, and he did not think
the taxes, anlthereity increase the burdens of the country, 'Pahl" t" perfect a system before it w,e, emo,die i it, ant ledge had beer, acquired in a manner which those who were that they had taken place in the present instance. Under
There was nothing in the present mrcumstetices of the Act of Parliamentethain to proceed to legislate at once on his accustotned to impure to his profession, an unfavourable all the circumstances. therefore, he felt it to be his duty to
country to justify the Government in giving actual encou• owe theories, and produce them to the House as a perfect influence on the moral feelings, would imagine not at all oppose the 'riffling, of his Hon. and Learned Friend.
ragement to emigration by advances of money. It would system. He had already received several valuabi, ftsports calculated to make an impression favourable to Mr. Vin- Mr. HUME seid that they were not there to judge of
be a dangerous principle to follow, except under very pe. from those Commissitmers, and be hoped to put them in cent, against whom he ha
,1 twice had to conduct orosecu- Mr- Vincenth; effen
ce. but how far the sentence of the
collar circumstances. There were cases, however, in communication with the authorities in the North
_American dons. The first was at tthte. laosft summerh. assize: of Monmouth, Court had been carried into effect.—( Hear, hear.)
which the Government and the House could greatly alit. a tionies, so as to enable them to obtain shehat.nir,ormation, when he was convicted d
atc which eery:align attendedeahsatd•ribes ot The treatment suffered by Mr. Vincent altogether aggra-
viate the cecumstances of the poor working classes. He that he dad not despair of being uYentt%anity.. ucla*cth"oetsthae- t ;she adr tei:te
to
e meetings,
,ing iy
dartgerous, and whena he was acquittedeea sated the punishment awarded him by the Court, and of
alluded particularly to an improvement in their habitations blish such a regulated system of ernig.r,aidi i
be of great ad-t used
another charge, that of conspiracy (an offence which histreated
theonany crime . on. Friend the fleeter Secretary of State. He held
the physical wants of those classes, and their educetion, vantage, not only to the country,
knew if it would nothing. ,according to the form in which it was present d. In his hand a petition from the Editor of the Western Pin.
in piece of spending so much of their time in party pull. themselves.—( Hear, hear.)
flu hardlyd.,i I; at ~,resent, but For the first offence he was sentenced to twelvee) veator, in wnich he stated that from the 6h of August to
tical disputes. Make them feel the comforts of a home, be necessary for him to go more into w.
Friend lied stated, imprisonment in Monmouth gaol. At the months'
'l.tte the only communications he had received from M . le
and they would desert the gin shop, which was tow their ee must agein advert to what his Hon.
had left this when the sentence was pronouncal some
time Vincent were three,
questi )n Mr. F. MAULE—.
only refuge from misery. He felt deeply on this subject, regarding the number of en-iigrants who
In the course arose as to the tray in which this . I said they were stopped by
e the Vi.
young
_man (of peace- sAing Justices.
and he thought his Hun. Friend deserved the thanks of country during the course of the list year.
for the Nerd! able demeanour, and before
the country for bringing it forward ; he agreed in his tier, of the year 1839 there had left this countryii
Cape of Gerd c. pt by his 'tub 0 t
nunsp.ohttedh cnaracter, ex. Mr, H U.VI E —Then why accuse Alr. Vi
first propositions. but as he bad sueceeded in attracting the American Colonies 12 658 persons ;fur t e
hed; said for sheuld be t.eat daPPYhe hnhelic .°
with
three
in'"ings) chief in a public paper when thealluded to were in_
attention of the Government to th • que.teen, he bored he Hepe, 227 ; for the Aeetrateitt Colonies- 15 . . • e : e 7-% et 9r n was to be sutheerei to the tercohted and
of be 270 'me ordinary prison discipline ; and in coi ,never reached the public 2
(Hear, hear.)
would Din press then, further upon the House. the United Sates, 33 336 : making a total , is( quence of some He did not think it was fair in his '—
II those commu ' •
Hon. Frieud to make an
Mr PR YM E said all the gentlemen who had taken ..
,rants. Some of these per.on., more espetee furnish'y.d a
the ni; talons that took place he was ex, rapt from many appeal to the House di
let %tenons ordinarily inn led, d in the prisen &stip- of a under •rstieli eircuinstiances and in favour
part in the debate teemed to have lost sight ot o_e •-o•igr-iting to the Aiitr also Colowes had beenri d tr.im the line punishment beyond loss which the country suffered in the case of the emi with the means of emigrating by funds de • ~ . .
.1 le. was not compelled :o wear the prison punishment injustice th the award of the 1. W. It was such
by far the t.tea er e limed mituleenc. s netpermitted at produced that public sympath il
for they were not the Olt: or the aged. but the -ale of land, or from bounties; but in to other.offeriders, and tenth y—..eo away
grants,
had been furbished 1 *
and pereevering labourers, whose absenc • was number of cases the means of elide retionre axsittons as far as consi- ant with t • • • . the injustice and the symp•thy would cease. He cert.
young
ictors ef lends or Sem 4 d - ' e I the prieon rules. sidered that the cas made d
e a e out by his . ...ern(
Hun end 1. •
loss. Emigration might be a good temporary redid by the parties thems:.lves, or persons, viva t tscussion arme as to the hm.ke he Was to be al- Friend had 1
great
r'of tit .I •
fur a temporary evil, but was it not as if they were making rebels interested in promoting the emigration use par_ creed. 11,. (Mr. Srrgeant Tslfourd) hid himself h. eel .not been eusecred, and that th •• Hutne ought!.
.
t erri and say the State that Mr, Ve r. ,rgri.e to his motion.
and sending out ready- made machinery to a foreign nattier ties. Bet If they were :0 come .orts
~.,.
je,sons
de ~..u_t_isi .en seas to i.e restricted to the perusal of Mr. HAWES was anxious to say t
a euld fureish the metros
to make a continueue system tit it!
)(,
„t „inlet-Joon to it i i I
~ ii i oks. Feeling that such was not the discipline ' this •.w ver
a c irds upon
arid not oult b ' h tee fie a subject, as fur sonie years he teal taken d • '
Lord JOHN RUSSELL, who was v-ry indistinctly *Mous of ernierating, he
thought they w, , . . young man of active and ingwrit_hg• mind, he made a et p interest
itseif, but they would an ephlicat lin the k.; re I • •
11U tine
prisons Und r the rest•t tl•
heard in the Gallery, said, bef.ere the debtre closed he &hie that which waa inexpeiliellt 111 1., 11/11 t L, rd J
then H ene 'er• • i oaten, which was t the r. 1 o .". J. Ru-sell, Sc etare, ' tee Jus s bed poser to alter and SUR P. ' .""
wished to melte some ohservtotens on, the motion of his be doing Si i i .r.tury to the eholesurnch• chittese
p.1.8,,,,s
to,,h '
fin, Lrn.o tof which Waa, th aan asoiraece was glean; that 1 wend their regalr-
dons sodaas to tore, ny sp c:al ease.
Friend. The proposition of th it H in. Gent Was of the enw takilig place. At pre,ent ray . of. t ),..' p' per tlO h.: would be restricted to Mr. Vincent. nsidered that
views and iti•ers s''. lt nest r was intend, 01 'het th r.• R
1 • '
a 1 ir tiVe—it stated that it was most de-stable his oh n
ite.,,,s
I ticcorchtig to his (teeA he 1-st Assizes, Mr. Vti.eitnt was convicted 0., another u atter.. of a gsol v. hick
most getter e
to ruts rite and or iii.licti e t similar •• ere applicatile to the flons an I misdenteetiente were also
who were unable to &vain employ [tient in that both atilt, pkce to which no int. eded , , „ for a off nice, as cheat Of which he Larl tb . I
that persons
o t•• apo mettle to the ens,' of political effeeders H. c
that there was a the means by which he should be enettii.d t ,get there; previtiest-
yb. en few d Jet Ity Oa that occasior, 1 A
ere should be allowed to emigrate;
i tie ue. sink rent they
and f,hear each had also" duly a.e te uteri resources, and whe. tended h I ' •.I 'g'
• forbearance' ' weic special esSt'S, and that the J' ' "n.
gat demand for labour in the colonies; so far as .
f boil and r f mindpower to alter the re pit li ti i •
•went, he believed there w .uld be no difh- that he pese.ssed that strength both o y . Ana even with a great d ';{etc of grace, which interested all wen- • 1., a 4. •ns to ,suit 'firm. The'T
two prepositions
the settlement manly precedents fer suet) a nu.urse—o I -f
, The H•inour. which weted enable him to undertake of who heard him, most powerfully in his favour. and induced tie •c pc iced)
1 . ing the assent of the He Ise.
rutty to gem
sec
Wit , i
sueeested I distant lands,l tr.. the hardships that he them to hope that he could not be subjected to indi ,• . . • et the Rev. Ri•bert T.llor wa- c 0,..
able Gentleman, under these circumstances, sup,:, - i and to tee—
This was a tles, go— voted ol a libel at the Surrey Sessions ; l i
a free ptssage for I must neeteserrity undergo —( Heer, bear) les, and to believe that he might on reflection bectim, . ~ are, fir, reel into
that the Gevernment shieild provide
t yet cohfittement the Maglstretes of le
Now that wheleaome system .. I,rati,ti, and one calculat, dto a useful mem • ber of society ;he was recoMw:ruied to ! that he ' tet county did not theik
persons of that description to the celonies. 1 'if em i•
it d ii•ialeouhht to associete with Mom anti peewees co"-
Hen. il ti• cure to the fut •• i mist compt•••ence. it 1 ,'rice mercy t,_
y the vp dal jury of Meim„uh_, . , . •
third prepo-ition contairred the substatiee of the. me to i
ti 4 I Viet* dofc i i 1 7'
h' 1 I and w. i h d the Slate wfadd uhdritk eircuittrance qtr., tigl •• in his - favour, ries . he rule, and reeulatiers e she proem
Gentleman's metion, and tie thoeght it Was on' test w
lic i
1., ila (Jr. But if th. y Pa' part eel arls.
t nieretine, they would 'as thisafire- t- ) Ail outbreaks' by e I were th•petted from in hi, yes, by he'iV'oiti - des-
the House would not gite it, ris-eot It was a prpsiron n! ..,
.r.' ' . all psr-ons (leeriest; th el it._ .
~ . was the I••nieto e. which ,
the ! tiees, and their condom Was ,61 •lii I .1
h '''';l4 t• ..
tht. ' he' rasing tu h•• r • 1 l' II tersons of diet class a *pint enmity had been disturbed, and with e Inch he, efi.
ti,otned iy t t titi he
of avery wide an general nature. I did no. state -
of
re • , tont sit a I
~, „fluid induce them ; veuld ha had *lulu, he' havin r been, in e, uurse, !a' Qearter Sessione. Under the resent leas, then, he
.urele • re. prase and spevulati n. h.!'" " ye nothing
. . L
Mean or ex
:e
-t to whieb prudence would 'mot the 1
e , .enlfineinent couteeded that ell Ca t` for eyrn P.
h • with .I,eit: p•rsoris
utter nf a tamn.lon those hat) ts of ceottort if, ,i 'lit which :at th •
aiir
,re, s, e time. lio r) tc,)med In teat. gaol for Seim, • , iat y
to tiesprovided by the state, area the merely sire • e
dine, . might be dime
by with He contendedohat the alterae
tee they set Ont. The till the r iv fit to remove tent free passage, without the recing,,ition of .orne fixed prin- were n"w• to ennstantly exercised le t-be . Government inou , , .
Or 0141 :
let di lad H . 1.-C !Ai tride :sty nas e that arse In t,,: gaol os .
eipes would be, in his opinion, in the highest degree leju- ',rants would . a• e" le !meiotic that every ' .
the .
.pi. .
vent wits to pro. , removal he Mr Sergeant 1 alfourd) eemplained
(. . . . . , . . , hot iit . let dm furtherenc saf h '
.. umetute. He could only blame the
dicious. Tun 1190. Gentleman had, in, the ;verse of hio . vide..l for by
the Staie, and if they fuuud that l I 4 an/ Was a wise and ?ucltetotp el tg remove ititil from a 1 praceip. f , r.„ _
i '''r 41 lilt Itilaut" latices. Had they acted like the
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