The Sun.
London, England, 1823-11-08 00:00:00

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stature, florid complc;cion, and what I call a good looking little
man.
What was his dress ?--Ile wore a black coat and. waistcoat;
his smallcloathes I cannot dercrihe, nor can I say' if he wore
trowsers or breeches.
Did you know Mr. Weare, the deceased P.—No, I did not:
You never saw Mr. Weare ?—I never saw-Mr. Weare till I
saw him in his coffin at laitsee. • •
Then you did not know" Mr. Weitre at all?—No, I did not,
Sir,

gave you any reason to think that the deceased person you
saw in his coffin Eat Elatree, was the little man that you de.
scribe as having dined at your house with the Thurtells, &c.,
on the Thursday ?—I certainly believe not; he did not appear
to me to resemble the deceaml.
.'Ten you feel confident that •11.1 r. Weare was not the person?
--I never heard the name of Weare mentioned amongst the
party ; and from my observation of the deceased when in his
coffin, 1 feel almost positive that it could not be him.
Who slept at your house on the Thursday night ?—They
had the room to themselves, sometimes one and sometimes the
other slept in the room, but which slept on that night there 1
do not know, but I think it was Thos. Thurtell.
It is very strange that you should not know those two persons
whom you have described as strangers ?—however strange it
may appear it certainly is the truth ; they had been invited, as
I suppose, by the ThurtelPs, and my curiosity did not eed
me to ask who they were, and their names I never beard.
Were their names never mentioned ? If they were I did not
observe it, and to my knowledge I never saw them before or
since. •
Do you know a man named Leman P—No, Ido not.
You never heard his name mentioned amongst this party at
your house ?-1 never did.
To your knowledge did no person. of that name visit at your
house P—Not to my-lenowlege. •
Was no card with the name of Leman on it left for the party
at your bar, or in the house?—l 'never heard of a card being
left of any kind at my house for the Thurtells, and am posi-
tive no such thing was left.
It is very material that we should discover who those two
strangers were,: cannot pa call to mind who they were? And
did you never hear either of them named ?—To my knol-
ledge 1 never heard either of. them named. (This question
was frequently repeated, and answered nearly in the same
manner.)
You say
.you never saw these two strangers at your house at
any other time?-1 never saw them at my house except on the
Thursday ; at least nave no recollection of it.
Who had you at your house on Friday ?—Five persons break-
fasted in 'frittrtell's private room, for which they were charged
7s. lid., as they had beefsteaks.
Who were the tixe persons P—John and Thomas Thartell,
Ilunt, Probert, and Thorns Noyes.
Did they remain in your house during the whole of the Fri-
day P—They were, in and out of the house frequently ; they
considered the room their own, and went out and came in just
as they pleased.
Did they all dine at your house on the Friday ?—l' believe
that four of thorn dined at my house on the Friday.
Did they have any wine Lifter dinner P—They drank beer at
"inner, and drank grog after' their dinner, and the charge alto-
gether cause only to Us.
Did you lend any money on the day to any of the party ?
Yes, I did.
What money did you lend 1-1 lent 5/.
To whom P--To Mr. Probert.
What did he say when he borrowed the money ?—He sent it
word by my boy that he wanted to borrow 51. and I sent it up
to him ; it was a 51. note, and he sent it down again to me, and
said he must have smaller change, and I then sent bins five
sovereigns in lieu of it, which he gave with another sovereign
out of his pocket to John Thurtell.
Did you see him give it to John Thurtell ?—1 did not see
him give it ; but Probert said it was for John Thurtell.
You have known Probed for some time ?—Yes, for a series

of years.
Did you owe him any money at the time you lent him the
N. 4--Yes, I diEL
flow much?—Between six and seven pounds.
And that is all ?*Yes ; it was not seven pounds.
Then you did not consider you were rmining any risk by
lending the money ?—Cert.tinly not, as I was in his debt ; and
if he had asked me for 101. he would have had it, if I had got
it, such was my opinion of him.
And Wit you then such a good opinion of Probert ?---I
had no business to have any other opinion of him, from my
knowledge of him ; he always acted uprightly in our dealings
Did ou know that he had been a bankrupt ?—Yes, I
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did. "
And that he had not obtained his eartiticate ?—Yes, I did.
And that he had been in-the Bench for sometime P—Yes,
I did.
And nrawktitstanding all this you' lent him money ?—I eerS
taiuty did. •
And I suppose if any of the others had asked for money they
might have had it ?—I 'beg your pardon, Gentlemen ; I cer7.
tailly would not have lent money to persons that I was so un-
acquainted with ; there is but one besides Probert that I would
have lent a shilling to.
And pray who is that one'?—Mr. Thomas Noyes.
And you would have lent him money ?—Yes ; if he had ask-
ed to borrow M. he might have had it, if I had got it by me,
such was my opinion of him ; as far as I knew or hint I always
considered him a gentleman.
He is a wine-merchant, is he not ?—Yes, he is, and always
was considered a respectable man.
You are not aware that you owe Air. Noyes and Pmbert
about 601. for wine anti spirits?--1 am quite sure that Ido not
owe a shilling beyond the odd, as I before stated, and that
was on a bill which I owed to Noyes and Probert for wine; it
was a kind of partnership transaction, and my bill was in the
name of both of them, and of course I could not object to lend
them V.
time did they quit your house on the Friday P--Be-
tween five and six O'clock in the evening.
Who were the parties ?—I understood that there was a gig
brought to my door, and some of them left in it to go to Pros
bent's cottage. I did not see the gig at all.
Do you not know who got into the gig P—l do not.
Were there two gigs ?—i heard of only one being at my
door, but there might have been another; I was busy, and did
not observe.
Who do you suppose went away in the gig ?-1 suppose it
was John.Thurtell and Hunt.
Why do you suppose so ?s- Because they were always in the
supposed it might have been them.
habit of riding together, and as they had a gig before, and rode
out together,
Who generally •brought the gig e- the door ?—Hunt. •
Who held the horse's head ?—I can't say.
What sort of a horse was it?--A dark horse.
Any marks on the face ?-1 did not observe.
Did you observe the conduct of the party in your room at
any particular time ?—From what 'I saw of them I considered
that Hunt was a greet blsekguard, and I did not think that
John Thurtell was any better. Thomas Thurtell appeared to
be quite a different man ; but the conversation of the other two
Was quite disgusting.
Did you Observe an air gun about your room when they
were there, or in their absence ?—I never saw any such weapon
in the house.
What time did the party generally go to bed ?-oetterally
early ; Thomas Thurtell was always early to bed, except on
the Friday night.
What time did Thomas Thurtell go to bed on the Friday
night ?-11e came home about twenty minutes before twelve,
and instantly retired to bed.
Did you see any fristols in your house on the Friday the mur-
der was committed understexid that John Thurtell had a
pair of small pistols, but I never saw them.
Had you any pistols?.--Yes, I had a pair of duelling pistols.
Did you lose one of their I.—Some of the party took one of
them away, and I understand it was Bunt._
When did sou miss it ?-0n the Friday morning, and I told
Thomas Thurtell of it, 'and I said some of your party has
taken it; but I suppose it is a joke, and they will return it.
Thomas Thurtell said it was a liberty they ought not to take,
bet lie supposed it was done in a joke.
What time did Thomas Thurtell get up on Saturday morn-
ing ?-lle got up at nine o'clock.
What time did John Thurtell arrive at your house on Satur.
day ?--I do not know, for I did not see hint come in; but both
John and Thomas slept at my house that night.
Did Hunt come to your house on the Saturday ?—tie was
there,. hut did not stop long.
Did you nutlet: his dress at that time ?—Black coat and waist.
coat, as usual.
Were his whiskers then shaved off'?—They were not.
Were ally persons of the party besides Hunt and Thomas
Thurtell at your house on the Saturday ?--Not that I remem-
ber at present.
Was a piece of roasting beef brought to your house on the
Saturday 2—A butcher's boy brought a fine piece of roasting
beef, and said it was for Mr. Now-
\V" M Niyee at your house on the Saturday P-1 believe
he did lack in ; yea he did.
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Did Noyes leave without seeing the Thurtells then ?—Yes,
he did.
What further did Noes Bey said he should walk on,
ant they would overtakyetini, and told me to be sure they put
gone our
the heel in the gig, for on thAir arrival at Yrobert's, they should
havueonwoldoinngnheralfNtohyegys wbeeennt without
from it.
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