The Sun.
London, England, 1840-11-14 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 1840.

.he internal coneerm, of the Ottoman empire. It is true

the press of M. Thiers which persuaded the old I
wretch that France would support him in his re-
bellion, even at the expense of a rebellion at home ;
and M. Thiers, nevertheless, looked quietly on while
the miserable dupe was receiving the just chastisement
of his crimes, and of his ill-founded confidence. It is very
true that France had not the power to protect the tyrant
of Egypt and Syria ; but it was quite competent to the
French Minister not to deceive him, and thus to leave hint
free from all delusions that could prevent his making his
peace with his offended, and, as we think, from the first,
too-indulgent, Sovereign. But while we admit that the
Journal des Debats has, in the main, the best of the
argument, we are bound to allow that this
trimming and turncoat Journal has not much
reason for private triumph in its share of the dispute.
It was, as the CoHstitutionne/ takes care to remind it,
one of the loudest of the war journals little more
than two short months ago. With what reason, then,
can it reproach the War-Ministry? The apology that
it was deceived in affairs, transparently intelligible to
the whole world from the very outset, can only disgust
all honest men. The Constitutionne/, on the other side,
fails by attempting very ungenerously and disloyally to
defend M. Thiers at the expense of the King.
(From the Courier.)
Many, who take a lively interest in the prosperity
of the Church of Scotland, were indulging the hope that
the dominant faction in the Kirk had, at length, seen
the danger of the path they are pursuing, and were
pausing in their career. They were led to think so from
the indictment, or libel, which had been determined on
by the Commission of August not having been served
on the seven ministers of
just heard, however, that this
step has at length been taken, within only ten days, as
it happens, of the meeting of the Commission of Novem-
ber, at which the parties are to he called upon to plead
to it. The proceedings of this Commission, which
meets at Edinburgh on Wednesday next, the 18th,
will, in all probability, so far determine what
is to be done with the Kirk, that if this in-
dictment is persisted in, and the plea which will
be then set up, that the parties indicted were in obe-
dience to the law of the land, be overruled, the
strong arm of the Legislature will be interposed, if the
Courts of Law find themselves impotent ; and long be-
, fore the General Assembly of 1841 can proceed to
inflict the punishment, the country will be spared the
spectacle of a body of her Majesty's liege subjects being
visited with ecclesiastical penalties, for no other crime
than that they paid due and becoming respect to the

we have asserted that Mehemet Ali has shown himself

more disposed to be the friend of England than the north-
ern Autocrat has ever done. It is true we have asserted
that Mehemet Ali has a title by treaty to possessions
which England has leagued with Russia to wrest from him ;
but it is not true that we have supported or admired the
policy of M. Thiers any more than we have supported or
admired that of Lord Palmerston. We have repeatedly
described those two "statesmen," whose paper wars

. .
have been agitating all Europe with alarms of more
dangerous conflicts, as political pretenders, destitute of
all true statesmanlike qualities. In the very rage and
tempest of the Thiers' excitement in France we pre-
dicted that Thiers would himself be frightened by
the success of his efforts to evoke the martial spirit of
the people—efforts which we imputed to a mere passion
for popularity, and for gratifying him in which Lord
Palmerston, by the blundering precipitancy of his
eastern policy, afforded the pretext. We thus ex-
pressed ourselves of the conduct of M. Thiers and its
probable consequences, when he was at the height of
his power six weeks ago, and when the journals sup-
posed to be under his influence were lashing the popu-
lar mind of France, by daily stimulants, into a frenzy
of rage against England.
(From the Morning Post.)
Some of the statements of the ex-Ministers in the
French Chamber of Deputies convey important in-
formation, to which it behoves every British politician
carefully to attend. M. Remusat has at last let out
the reason why France was so anxious to uphold
Mehemet Ali in the full measure of the power which
he had usurped. It is because the Viceroy possesses
a marine which, united to that of France, might
counterbalance the navy of Great Britain ! This was
the policy of our friendly ally' under the direction of
the late Ministers. This is the policy which our
precious ultra-Radicals would promote if they could.
We rejoice that they cannot. They would have us
by all means to leave Mehemet Ali—that able rebel—
to enjoy in all tranquillity whatever his ability had
usurped, and by no means to quarrel with France for sup-
porting him. M. Remusat teaches us to what point such
policy would have led. As for M. Thiers, he has
made rather a frank confession of his shuffling, and has
unconsciously paid no slight compliment to the fore-
sight and firmness of Lord Palmerston. He says that
Lord Palmerston has always considered the power of
the Viceroy (Mehemet Ali) as pernicious, and has
even declared that the only good policy is to reduce him
to Egypt alone. Who can doubt, after reading what
M. Remusat has disclosed of the views of France, that
the only good policy for Great Britain is to reduce
the Viceroy to the possession of Egypt alone, and to
take care that he shall not find himself in circumstances
to combine his marine with that of France against the
navy of England ? As to the actual policy of M. Thiers
in the Turco-Egyptian question, it seems to have been all
along an effort to gain time—to cause time to elapse with-
out anything definite being done. To gain time he
declares to have been the substance of his instruc-

decrees emanating from her Majesty's Court of Justice!
—and that, too, by a Church established by law, and
enjoying the privileges and endowments of a State insti•
tution! We speak advisedly and on good authority
when we say, that if the prosecution now carrying on
against the seven ministers is persisted in, measures of
a most stringent nature will be adopted by Parliament
to protect them ; and not only to protect them, but to
prevent in future the recurrence of those scenes in the
Kirk which for some time past has revolted the good
feeling and loyalty of the country.

tions to M. Guizot when he (Thiers) became chic
Minister. He wanted to retain for Mehemet all the
territory and the power which he had usurped. The
motive is explained in the declaration of M. Remusat,
to which we have already alluded. He found from the
firm opposition of Lord Palmerston that this was a very
difficult point, but still, as it was the status quo, the main
object was to gain time. He heard from the Ministers
of Prussia and Austria that they thought it possible that
Lord Palmerston might be brought to agree that Me-
hemet should have Syria for his life. He tells M.
Guizot that if any such offer were made he was not to
reject it, but to accept it ad referendum. Still the ob-
ject was to gain time.
(From the Morning Advertiser.)
It is impossible to ascribe too much credit to 'her
Majesty's Ministers for their just conception of the state
of affairs in the East, and the relation they bore towards
our neighbours the French, or to the efficacious measures
they decided on pursuing, and their prompt and vigor-
ous execution of them, by which the subject of conten-
tion with France has been removed, and the avowed
object of war secured from being a cause for hostilities.
The advance of the public funds in that country, and
the proceedings in the Chamber of Deputies, show
that the result is duly estimated by the people of pro-
petty in it, and the conviction that Europe will not
be disturbed by war becomes daily more prevalent,
leading almost to a certainty. The news from the
East shows that the Anglo-Turkish army is in pos-
session of most of the principal places on the coast of
Syria, and that Acre must soon pass into our hands ;
besides, it is now certain that the rising of the inha-
bitants against the sway of Mehemet Ali is daily
and hourly increasing, so that, perhaps by this time,
that Paella does not possess a foot of ground in all
Syria. It then becomes a question whether Mehemet
All shall be allowed to retain the Pachalic of Egypt.
Our Government and the Allies have now the power of
making this concession to the Ministry of M. Guizot,
in order to preserve peace, and if Mehemet Ali will
restore the Turkish fleet, and stipulate not to disturb
the Sultan in the possession of Syria and his other
dominions, we should be happy to see the peace of
the world assured on such terms. The speech of
the King of the French on the opening of _ the
Chambers, and the subsequent proceedings therein,
are decidedly pacific ; and although the anarchists of
France would, doubtless, still wish for war, in order
to further their revolutionary projects, yet, we know,
that all men of property, and all wise and good men
in that country, deprecate such a fatal issue—one
that has no object of a national character; and we
have no hesitation in saying, in accordance with our
hopes and best wishes, for the happiness of Europe,
that peace will be preserved ; indeed there does not
remain any pretence for war. The avowed object of
France, and the real one of England—that of prevent-
ing the Russians from marching on Constantinople—has
been prevented by the foresight and skill of our Cabinet,
and the vigorous measures directed by Lord Palmer-
ston, and ex'cuted by the brave and sagacious Admiral
Napier and his companions in arms. We advisedly call
him Admiral Napier ; for we can hardly doubt that
there will be an Order in Council appointing him a
Rear-Admiral in the navy, for his great and glorious
services.

LAW IN TELLIGENCE.

ROLLS' COURT, Nov. 13.
The Court heard motions to-day.
WALL V. BAKER.

Mr. PEMBERTON moved, on behalf of the plaintiff, that
the defendants in this cas. might be ordered to proceed to
trial of the issue directed on the 23d March, 1838, at the
next assizes for the county. The plaintiff and the defen-
dant claimed, under the will of Jonathan Wall, certain
property, and the question raised at the hearing was to
whom it passed. The opinion of the Court was that that
could only be ascertained by an issue, and accordingly an
issue was directed. Both the plaintiff and defendant were
very poor, and no steps had been taken towards a trial.
The plaintiff, however, having subsequently the moans, re-
quested the defendant to accept of the declaration, and to
proceed to trial at once, in order to have their right deter-
mined, which the defendant refused, alleging that the time
mentioned by the decree had passed. Hence the present
motion.

Mr. GIRDLESTONE opposed the motion, and contended
that it was not competent for a party to make such an ap-
plication, after having lain by for so long a period.
The MASTER of the ROLLS, however, was of opinion he
must grant the application, the plaintiff paying all the
costs that had been incurred for, although the plaintiff
had been guilty of neglect and delay, yet the defendant
had adopted no proceeding for the ,purpose of taking ad.
vantage of it.

DONCAN AND OTHERS V. IHYALICONT AND OTHERS.

The object of the motion in this case was to restrain
proceedings in the Admiralty Court, upon a bottomry
bond, which had been obtained by the defendants from the
master of a vessel, which bond pledged, not only the ship
and the freight, but also the cargo. The defendants,
M'Calmont and Co., were suing upon the bond in the
Admiralty Court, and the ship and the freight being insuf-
ficient to pay the amount of the bottomry bond, they had
required the owners of the cargo to give bail, which they
had done, to satisfy whatever might be recovered against
them in that Court.
The facts of the case, as we collected them from the state-
ments of Mr. Pemberton, were these :—ln the year 1839
Messrs. Thomas and William Benson were the owners of
a ship called the Lord Cochrane, and they appointed Luke
Hall Smith to be the master. The vessel was thirty years
old, and had had a large sum expended upon her in repairs
shortly before 1839, in which year she was sent by the
owners, under the care of Captain Smith, with freight
and cargo, to the Isle of Ascension in the
Brazils, to proceed from thence to Pernambuco for freight,
and afterwards to return to Landon. The ship, with her
tackle and apparel, and stores and provisions, was insured
by the owners, at what they called the o utside value,
for 4,5004 Having arrived safely at the Isle of
Ascension she proceeded to Pernambuco, and took
in a cargo of cotton and sugar, which belonged
to the plaintiffs; there were a number of firms that
had shipped goods through their agents at Pernam-
buco ; and among others who shipped goods in freight
fur the return voyage, was the firm of M'Calmont and
Co., in which the defendants against whom the present
application was made were parties. M'Calmont
and Co. were, in truth, the agents to whom the
ship was addressed, and they undertook the agency.
The cargo having been shipped, the vessel was about to
proceed on her homeward voyage on the 29th of June,
1839, but in attempting to clear the port, she got upon a
sandbank, and was so much damaged as to be obliged to
return to the harbour of Pernambuco. The ship was
examined, and it was found necessary to repair her. The
Captain not having enough for the purpose of paying the
M'Calmont and Co., to
necessary
knowifthecyxpae.onuselds taaPkPeliheidsibtoilis upon the owners for the
amount of the repairs. The v.ssel was repaired, and
Messrs. M'Calmont and Co. obtained from the captain a
bottomry bond, dated the 6th of January, 1840, fur the sum
of 8,5881. 12s. 4d. Of that sum 7,132/. 3s. Bd. was re-
presented to consist of principal, and 1,426/. Bs. Bd. was a
premium of 20 per cent. on the amount of that expenditure.
The vessel sailed from Pernambuco OR the 7th of January,
1840, and arrived at Liverpool on the 20th of March fol-
lowing. The condition of the bond was, that payment of
the money should he made within twenty days after the
arrival of the ship at Liverpool. On the 19th of March,
however, Messrs. M'Calmont and Co. procured a war-
rant of arrest of the ship's freight and cargo out of the Ad-
miralty Court. Messrs. BLIISON, the owners, determined
not to defend the proceedings in the Admiralty Court, and
the ship was sold for 1,659/. The freight amounted to
between 2,000/. and 3,000/., so that the owner of the cargo
would have to contribute upwards of 4,0001. The con-
signeesof the cargo, therefore, had to give bail to satisfy
the amount, which might be recovered against them
upon the bond, as the only means of preventing a seizure
of the goods.
Mr. PRMBERTON (with whom was Mr. Sutton Sharpe
and Mr. Bolt) moved, on behalf of the plaintiffs, who
were the consignees, that the defendants might be re-
strained from further proceedings in the Court of Ad-
miralty. The ground on which the Bill in Chancery had
been filed was, that the bottomry bond had been obtained
under circumstances which amounted to a fraud on the
part of M'Calmont and Company, and that a Court
of Equity therefore had jurisdiction to order
the instrument to be delivered up, and that
no adequate relief c3uld be obtained, in that respect, in
the Admiralty Court. They further contended, that inde-
pendently of the case of fraud alleged on the part of the
plaintiffs, the equities which arose between the different
parties concerned in the transaction, were such as to bring
the case necessarily within the jurisdiction of a
Court
of Equity, upon some paints, and that that
urt which alone could determine all the rights between
the parties would take care that the case was disposed of
altogether there, and not disposed of partially in one
Court and partially
in another. The Learned Counsel
quoted a similar case of Ulascott v. Lang, reported in
3 Mylne and C •
g.
Mr. KINDERSLEY (for the 'defendants M•Calmont and
Co.) submitted that their conduct had been perfectly bona
fide, and read passages from the answers and evidence, to
show that they had only charged the amount expended in
repairs, which the surveys of competent pet:sons, with the
concurrence of the captain, proved to be necessary. As to the
charges of fraud against the defendants, there was not a
tittle of evidence to support them ;
but even if these
charges were as true as they were
Mr. TURS6R false, they proved
no reason for taking the matter out of the jurisdiction of
the Admiralty Court.
followed on the same side
The case was not concluded when the Court rose. The
arguments will be resumed to-morrow (this day).

FROM THE,DAILY PAPERS OF YESTERDAY.
(From the Globe.)
We observe with satisfaction that the whole tenor of
the explanations which have been given in the Commit-
tees of the Chamber of Deputies, and which our
readers will find in another part of this day's columns,
arc favourable (as the nomination of the commission of
the Address has been, by a majority of seven to two),
to the maintenance of a pacific policy. They are fa-
vourable to such a policy on two grounds—first, as
they prove that no insult or injury was done, or intended
by 'England or Europe to l'rance. The evidence of
this is quite conclusive from all parties concerned ; and
the more conclusive, as the Ministers of the Ist of
March are now in Opposition ; and if there had been any
thing to say against England or Europe in justification
of their own recent show of menace—they would have
said it. M. Thiers has, indeed, said that the signa.
ture of the treaty of July was un tres nzauvais procede
—but every thing else that be said proves there was no
mauvais procede in the matter. M. Guizot, moreover,
whose words (as a man who weighs his words) are
worth at least M. Thiers', says quietly and explicitly
—" The treaty of the 15th Jely was not unanticipated by
France ; it was perfectly well known that if the question
could not be resolved by five, it would be by four. The
other Powers had no wish to exclude France from the set-
tlement of the Eastern Question. Several plans were tried,
which failed." Secondly, the proceedings of the Committees
are favourable to peace, because they tear away the last
shred of a pretext for war. While on the one hand it
is evident that Europe had no wish to quarrel with
France—on the other hand it is ev.dent France has no
cause to quarrel with Europe. These two points we
consider of such vast importance, when proved by such
evidence—that we shall devote our present article to
setting them forth. M. Thiers says—" France ought not
to have embarked in the E istern question, but once em-
barked, as has been done, it was necessary to get out
of it otherwise than to the shame of the country." It
was M. Thiers' tactic, throughout his explanations in
the Committee, to represent France as so deeply engaged
by the former Governments on the Eastern question,
that his Ministry could hope for nothing more when
they took power, but to gain lime. This mode of con-
ducting his defence proves one thing at least—and a
most valuable virtual concession it is ! It proves that
a person so acute as M. Thiers, and so adroit, we must
needs say, at putting any colour be pleases on trans-
actions which touch, and shifting on any shoulders but
his own the blame that is thrown on him—it proves, we
saw, that a politician so little encumbered with over-
niceness, finds it impossible to defend his warlike de-
monstrations on grounds of general policy ! He is
compelled to fly for refuge to the plea that his hands
were tied by his predecessors—that engagements had
been made, which, though they ought not to have been
made, fettered him.
(From the Standard.)
TliP Paris Journals, ministerial and anti-ministe-
rial, arc of eeurge engaged in an angry controversy
as to the merits of the present and of the late oe-
-I)ants of office- The Syrian question naturally
supplies the theme of the dispute, and the two most
able as well as best aPPredited of the disputants (the
Journal des Dcbats representing the Soult administra,
t;ion, arl,d the Constitutionnel, probably written, per 7.
tainly instructed by M. Thiers), have narrowed the
question to this sipgip issqp=t if:, which Ministry
is to he 4grrii?e4
Ali ?" the admitted disgtera igeheiTiet
The cOIitSPVgrOY is on,e that scarcely concerns
us as Eogll3bMoll directly ; if we were • called
upon fn ,t,g,,jtrate, we should have little difficulty
in
coming to 4 4ppitsf,.-fi;, The almanack, indeed, Must
be conelusivP in the paatteh rpr that faithful witness
tells, that all the abt3iir4 CIO eitr4V4Pilt l'Pretrn7
gyptian butcher were advapced? t 414 elf
evens of the E
his retributive humiliations were suffered, under the ads
Thiers, and before the Soult .I%pistry
ministration of At,
could possibly ocercia# inguenc9 upon Oki fate.
to refaae te;rne by far more favourable than will. he
ever agaiii )0# it was the raving of
it was by M. 'Piers that Nefien,ep yos
. - •
eneouraged

THE MARQUIS OF NoHMANBY.—The last
accounts received from Nlulgrave Castle state that the
Marquis of Normanbyxpected, will be sufficiently rpeoxerea
is going on very favourably. The
Noble Marquis, it is e
to resume his official duties at the Home...ales in the pours()
pf next week, Standard.
The Eastern Counties Railway operations at
Springfield are now
progressing rapidly, the cutting hay.
IngnearlyMakai fif rei4ol,ed the rpad leading to the Rectory i pre,
p4rAtions are ;
g for thp diypraiqn of it, ancl the eive-
tiop of a temporary-hridge. We tuldQrstand that the per.
1141nen,,t b,rkl&P, aPrn§s the Cheliner will shortly be coxi-
Rtficau by the side of the present wooden viaduct, the
lofty embankment from which has now attained consider-
able length. —Essex Herald,
1"1 f ligl!Ps, $p A soil! "eta ~M a meeting
of contributors tq the above held at Duke's Head Corn.
mercial News Room, Kin,,,,,, Lynn, it was ordered that the
filflellt,t sUbseribed should he forthwith paid to the Trea,
,
stlfer P the tiYhil 4011,64pporting Medical inOtt;tion.,,
gr. astip, IVI.P.
Lynn, Nov.P 12, 144 u. '
the commencement
for , the .ha,tincc
laid up since about the eommencemeTlt of '''r --''' 1-t
Paisley, WhO 114 s lIPPLI
se.,sop in the north, with a 13,r(Aen tendon, or some sue
iIIFY, in the leg, is pow able to proceed to London.-..
gkyoy, Chrolic4.

ANTI-CORN-LAW LECTURE.

TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.

Mr. Sydney Sthith's third lecture was delivered last Sra—l take the liberty of applying to you for infor-
night, and was even better attended than the second ; mation respecting the funds which were collected for the
the excitement on the question is wonderful, many relief of the poor fellows who lost their property in the
persons having walked eight and ten miles to be pre- Apollo when run down by the Monarch steamer. My
sent. Nothing could exceed the enthusiasm with only reason for asking this question at the present time
which the lecturer was greeted, nor the attention with is, because a subscription is now being raised ior the re-
which every word that tell from him was received. I lief of the sufferers in the Phenix steamer, before which
From the length of our report of the first lecture, we I being done I do think that some account should be given
are unable to give more than this short notice of the of the appropriation, or if not appropriated, the reason
second and third this week, but we hope next of the delay in so doing, of the funds gathered in the
week to lay a full report before our readers, former case, which would, I think, be an inducement for
merely alluding now to the close of last night's many to render what assistance they may be able to
lecture, in which Mr. Smith made the following afford in the latter instance much more readily than
important observations with regard to his objects : they will now do. I am, your obedient servant,
—" And now, my friends, I trust you will not be INQUISITAS.
mere bearers of this word, but doers of it also. I will
not disguise from you my object in coming here. It is
for electioneering purposes that I present myself among
you. If you who have votes, give them to men who
tax your children's bread, you deserve all the evils
wh ch the Corn-laws inflict on you. Resolve then this
night, that no wan shall have your suffrages who will
not pledge himself to repeal, no candidate is so ena-
moured of the Corn- law as to lose his seat rather than
vote against it ; show your representat:ves that you are
determined, and you need not fear that they will
abide by the bread-tax rather than secure your support ;
and if, after all, you find them obstinate, do not
hesitate for an instant in starting other candi-
dates who will pledge themselves to procure cheap
bread for their constituents. I do not come here to
support either of the factions that crucify the nation
between them. Whig, as well as Tory, votes for the
Corn-laws ; and both hooted down our patriotic leader
when he stood up in his place to vindicate your rights.
Ask no man to what party he belongs, but make this
your simple interrogatory, Will you vote for Repeal,
or will you help to tax the nation's bread ?' If the an-
swer is for Repeal, then vote for the candidate, what-
ever else he is ; if he insist upon being a bread-taxer,
then, although he were otherwise the very paragon of
patriots, do not hesitate for a moment to kick him into
the infinite obscure' of private life. If lam asked
how you are to obtain repeal, my answer is—by de-
manding it. Public opinion on this subject, if exten-
sively expressed, is omnipotent. It wrung Catholic
Emancipation from the iron Duke ;' it extracted re-
peal of the Test Act from a High Church Parliament ;
it dragged freedom to the slave from West India plan-
ters ; the Reform Bill from a House of boroughmongers ;
and will impetrate cheap bread from a cabal of land-
owners. When I have got repeal of the Corn-laws I
won't stop there ; but until we have got repeal we can't
get further. If my words have convinced you, let your
actions follow your convictions ; and let Repeal of the
Corn-laws be your only watchword."—Willshire Inde.
pendent of Thursday.

HAMBURGLI MAIL.

MurircH, Nov. 2.—The War Department has given
orders for the purchase of a considerable number of
horses for the army.
AUGSBURG, Nov. 2.—The regiments here in garri-
son received orders yesterday to call in a great portion
of the men absent on furlough. Many regiments are
mentioned as being destined to reinforce the garrison of
Landau.

SEWERS' COURT.

WURZBURG, Nov. 5.—A part of Zeller's regiment
of artillery in garrison here marched this morning to
Landau, and some increase will take place in the army,
which has been for some time wished for as a security
against a possible aggression, recollecting what they
suffered in the years 1795 to 1813—we mean with a
view to the possibility of an attack from the other side
of the Rhine.

BERLIN, Nov. 7.—For some days past serious ap-
prehensions have been entertained that notwithstanding
the retirement of M. Thiers, and the inclination to peace
which is said to prevail on the other side of the Chan-
nel, we may yet have war. It is feared that if the party
disposed to peace in the French Chambers should coin-
cide with the policy of Louis Philippe, the passions
wound up to the highest pitch may take a desperate
course.—Leipsig Journal.
It is generally believed that our Cabinet was in-
formed long since of the approaching fall of the French
Ministry, and was in direct communication with St.
Cloud respecting the step to be taken. King Leopold,
it is said, will go in person to Paris and London to pre-
pose the basis of new negotiations. It is for this that
Baron Bulow, at the earnest desire of the King, has re-
turned to England.—Haniburgh Papers, N0v..10.
HAMBURG BORSENHALLE, Nov. 10.
ta. Money
Austrian 5 per Cents.
Bank Shares
Anglo-Russian Loan 10734 107
Russian 5 per Cent. Ist series, Certificate
Inscription, Ist Se:Sas lO2
Russian 5 per Cent. Hopa and Co. 3d and 4th
Series c634
Ditto in Certificates
Dutch Actual Debt, 234-per Cent 49 4SN
. Ditto 5 per Cent
Polish Bonds
New ticket
Anglo-Danish Loan, 3 per
Norwegian Loan, 1834, 4 per C.
Spanish, New 3 per Cents. —
eXCHANGES ON LONDON.
HAMBURG, Nov. 10.-13 34.—Two months, 13 434
BREMEN, Nov. 3 —Two months, 614.
VIENNA.. Nov. I—Three months. 9. 4534.
STOCKHOLM, Nov. 3.—Seventy-five days, 11. 31.
PRUSSIAN FUNDS.—Basturt, Nov. 7.
Bills. Money.
St. Schuld. Sch., 41, per cent. . ....... .....103 10234
Prussian English Loan, 1830, 4 per cent. 110
Litchange on London, three months... 6 1654
—Prussian State Gazette, Nov. 8.

A Court of Commissioners of Sewers for the West
minster district was held in their Court-room yesterday
After the general routine business had been disposed of
The SOLICITOR read a copy of the information filed
by the Attorney-General against certain of the Com-
missioners for levying for rates on the Queen's gardener
in Kensington-palace. After a lengthened discussion,
the order of last Court, that it should be laid before
counsel, was ordered to be acted upon.
Mr. E. MuLLuis then rose to move " That the
form of the precept to the Sheriff to summon a Jury,
and the proceedings consequent thereon, be taken into
consideration." He said there were two valuations to
be made, the gross valuation of which was not less than
50,0001., and that of property which never before had
been assessed ; therefore it was of the utmost importance
that the Court should duly deliberate upon every step they
took ; it was the more important that they should proceed
with proper consideration, because there were no less
than 38 churches included in the valuations, and churches
had never before been assessed. After the opinion which
the Court had had from Sir W. Follett upon the ques-
tion, it was their duty to give full consideration to
every step they took. Why should they depart from
the words of the statute ? Were they to be at liberty
to pick and choose what parts of it they would
use? Were they to enforce that which suited them,
and throw aside that other part which went
against them ? He had four objections to the
form of the precept—first, that it set out every
parish and place within the jurisdiction of
the Court, in many of which places they had never en-
tered ; secondly, that it commanded the Jury to in-
quire into all walls and sewers within the whole of
the districts ; thirdly, he objected to calling upon the
Sheriff to return any certain class of men. Why not fol-
low the statute, and call upon him to return
" men of the shire," which would be freeholders of the
county ? and, fourthly, he was of opinion that the Jury
ought to be taken from the district to which the pre-
cept applied. He moved that in place of the precept
on the table, one he gave in, calling upon the Sheriff to
return a jury of the " men of the shire," be substituted.
Mr. R. CHAMBERS would be most happy to second
motion, if a few words were altered.
Mr. LESLIE contended that they wanted neither
common nor special juries. He wished them to act
according to the full meaning of the statute of
Henry VIII., and that, in his opinion was, that none
other could serve upon a Jury in that Court, than a
' freeholder of the county. At the present moment when
they were rating property which had not been rated
for 300 or 400 years, and when so many objections
were rising up against the Sewers' rate, it was the im-
perative duty of the Court to consider well the first
step upon which all ulterior proceedings depended. He
believed it would be a full answer to any
demand for a rate, and he believed it would be a full
answer by the Crown to their defence, to say that the
presentment was no presentment at all, as it had not
been made by such men ab were pointed out by the
statute. In order to support his view of the case, he
quoted from Callis and the Act of Parliament.

Mr. WlLLoucirwr considered such a discussion as
that among Commissioners of Sewers, who were
of all grades and callings in life, was the utmost
folly. The questions proposed were considered as
so complicated as to be left to a small section, even in
the profession of the law itself, viz. the Special
Pleaders. Surely the time of the Commission might
be more usefully employed than in such discussions,
which among such a body were the height of presump•
tion. There was nothing peculiar in the constitution of
the Commission of Sewers to render a different Jury ne-
cessary for them than for a Quarter Sessions. However,
he contended that Peel's Jury Act specially provided
for the case, and under it, it was clear that jurymen
qualified under that Act were qualified and liable to
serve upon the Jury of Sewers. But he contended that
the whole matter rested with the Sheriff, and he was
obliged to select the jury from lists which were unal-
terable. He really thought further discussion was a
mere waste of the time of the Court and of the public.
He would certainly oppose any alteration in the form of
the precept.
Mr. ADEY would also oppose any alteration in a pre-
cept, which had been acted upon for 150 years, with-
out being once disputed. He was not willing to make
any change for the mere sake of change ; but he would
be most willing to change where it was proved any
benfit would flow from it. He thought Peel's Act was
a full answer to all that had been advanced on the other
side. He could not but regret that the time of the
Court should be so wasted as it was by one or two
gentlemen bringing forward such new-fangled doctrines
—doctrines Dever before heard in the Court, and not
sanctioned by any other Commissioner ; at all events
by not more than three or four out of the whole body.
Would it not be much better if they were to confine

themselves to the real business of the Commission—
(Hear, hear, hear)—and continue to act tipmi
the precept which had served their predecemrii and
themselves for 150 years, without being th© cause of
litigation.

Mr. LESLIE wished to offer an amendment.
The CHAIRMAN could Rot allow it to be offered at all.
Mr. Leslie had already spoken to the question, and it
would be against order for him again to address the
Court, which he must do in proposing an amendment. He
strongly apposed the motion. The present precept had
been in use for such a period as to prove that it was
legal, and only eighteen years ago the opinion of Mr.
Sergeant Toddy was taken by the Commission,
and he was fully satisfied with the form of the pre-
cept, even according to the Act of Henry VIII., chap,
Having that, and the opinion of the sol;citors, who
had given the subject their fullest consideration, and
had come to the conclusion that the precept was good
in point of law, he hoped the Commissioners would ad-
here to it.
Mr. MuLLIN3 said gentlemen were much too
anxious to spend and throw away the money of the
Commission in taking Counsel's opinion ; they ought to
make use of their common sense.
'rho motion was then put and lost—t 2 voting (Q,r and
18 against it.

The next business before the Court was "to sign a
precept to the Sheriff of Middlesex to return a Jury to
inquire into aticli things as shall be given them in charge
(v 144, to present the persons and property liable to i4o
rated to the Ranelagh and Counters Creek Districts.)
Mr. LESLIE rose to move an amendment. He be-
lieved that Sergeant Taddy and the solicitors had only
looked at the Factiee of the Court, and had totally over-
looked the Act of Parliament. It was clear that thy,
Act specified who were to be the Jurors upoßre.4C.So pre-
sentment the inhabitants and owners ;,f Fat,perty were to
be taxed. Ile was only aw,,ica-as that the Court should
take those m;ter:s LavvYfhich would lead them in OW
5.V4 way, and prevent litigation. He then tnnYCCI, ak an
amendment that the precept shonltA reAnire the Sheriff
to return a Jury in strict ac.ccqdil,Ce with the statute.
Mr. Mciu4NT, sec.opilcd, the motion of the Roo,.
Cotorniskieher, ba whose observations he folly cotteorra
Mr. C4AMB.EIIS took the same view a the matter,
that the words'.' qtaalifA Vgya on .furies'' ought to
b,e mnitted,
'Alhe vote was taken, when there appeared for the
amendment, 5 ; against it, 9.
The original precept was then sip. 94.
The Court then ink() yAD,..