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one proposition is more absurd than the other, as far
as the public are concerned, it is the proposition
of the Hon. Member fce Kilkenny.—( Hear, hear.)
I do not know whether there are strangers in this House
or not, but it is generally assumed there are no strangers
in this House ; and assuming there are no strangers in this
House, but if peradventure there should be any, I would
address them foe their satisfaction, and I would say, in
order that it may go forth to the public, that the whole
of this debate has nothing to do with the public interests.
—(Hear, hear.) I want to know whether any pro-
Pos;tieo that has been made to this House, .sither
by "iffy Honourable Friend below me ( Mr. Hume),
whether by my Hon. Friend the Member for Durham, or
by the Hon. .Mernher for the \lest Riding of Yorkshire,
would save the public parse one shilling ?—(Cheers.)
Far from it. The only conclusion that all the parties have
come to, excepting' the Hon. Member for Kilkenny, who
additional into the public purse—
proposes to put 1,200.'
( Laughter)—it all ends ..nil concludes in the motion of
that this pension to Sir
the Hon. Member for Diti.`'acn,
Jplin Newport ought not to La drawn into a preeedsnt.—
(
the Member for Yorkshire Hear, hear.) The N Isle Lord .
Rightsa
sot: Tams
says it cannot he drawn into a terecedent. Theworth
Honourable Baronet the Member •
er the House nor
•
do not trust to that—l recommend twits
the public to trust to that, for, depend upon it, what this
House says cannot and ought not to be drawn into a pre-
cedent, perhaps in the next Session, a Tory Admtoistasstion,
which in all probability will suceesel the present, would .say,
" What have we to do with ought not or cermet ? Tilts
is a precedent that has been established, and we will re--
peat it whenever we think proper." But look at the worst-
lag of the proposition• of my Honourable Friend. He
saes " Considering all these circumstances, and more
especially the great importance of ket ping eke
Comptroller General of the Exchequer independent
the intim rice of the Crown—( Hear, hear, from the Con-
servatives ) Hear, hear 1—( Laughter.) I want to know
whether Gentlemen on that side of the House wish to keep
office independent of the influence of the Crown. In
what reign did that commence? Did it commence in the
reign of George 111., or in the reign of George IV., or in
the reign of William IV. No ; it has been reserved for the
reien of Queen Victoria, for the Tories to come forward
and sly, the influence of the Crown ought to be diminished.
—s Cheers.) The Right Hon. Baronet the Member for
Pembroke says, " I have the greatest regard for
Sir John Newport—the motion has nothing to do
with Sir Jobe Newport, it is a direct vote of censure
on her Majesty's Government." Why do you not say so?
—( Cheers.) Why do you not say this is unworthy of her
Majesty's present Ministers, and state on the face of your
motion that this is a gross job, and then I will agree with
you.—( Loud cheers.) Do not evade the question in the
way you are doing. I shoald like to ask Hon. Gentlemen
who were in Parliament in 1830, whether they recollect a
motion that was made by Sir Robert Heron? Do they
recollect the names of Dundas and Bathurst ?—( Hear,
hear, and cheers.) Do they recollect the pension that was
propceed. to be given by the Tories of those days?
Hoes did the Chancellor of the Exchequer then defend it?
We have got now on our paper that Sir John Newport,
after fifty years' service, is entitled to his pension ; and I
have not heard any individual get up and say he is not en-
titled to a pension.—( Cheers.) If he is not, put the
mo-
tion on the real grounds, and propose a vote of censure.—
' (Cheers.) I agree with the Noble Lord, although per.
haps his expression was not the most elegant, that
you have opposed this measure in the most gingerly ma n-
ner.—(Laughter.) How did the Chancellor of the Ea'.
chequer, in 1830, defend the proposition of a pensions
to Mr. Bathurst and Mr. Dundas ? I have no
doubt it is very inconvenient to Hon. Gentlemen opposite
to recollect it; but he said, " As to the precise nature of :
the service of these individuals, I am not prepared to
answer.—(Great laughter.) I think it is rather unfor-
tunate the length of their service has not been stated in
the estimate, but I believe their service was of about four
years' duration, the appointment having taken place in
1825." I think, SW., this is a mere vote of faction.
Whether one side or the other succeeds must be a matter.
of indifference to the public.—( Hear, hear, hear.) As
I said before, my Hon. Friend the Member
for Kilkenny's proposition is the most ridiculous, but I
shall certainly give my vote in favour of those whose Ad.-
ministration I think most beneficial.—(Laughter.)
Mr.. WYNNE wished to offer a few observations in 1
explanation of the vote be was about to give, as he
differed from those with whom he generally acted.
He believed that Sir J. Newport was entitled to the pen-
sion in question according to the strict and fair interpre-
tation of the Act which had been referred to ; and ho
would only say that he would not go further than the words..
of the Act might lead him. He saw by that Act that the
Crown might grant pensions on the Civil List to such
persons as might have just claims to such a favour.—
( Hear, hear, from the Ministerial benches.) The Act
continued to say that all were entitled to such a pension
who had merited the gracious consideration of their Sove-
reign and the gratitude of the country. He did not think
that services rendered in Parliament should be excluded from
this benefit. He did not think that Mr. Burke was less
entitled to the pension that had been granted him, because
he had held a Ministerial office for a few months only at a
time. He did not think that the claims of Mrs. Fox or
of Mrs. Tierney were the less merited because Mr. Fox
and Mr. Tierney had not held office long.—( Hear, hear.)
He had himself had an opportunity of witnessing the ser-
vices of Sir J. Newport, and he felt it to be his duty to
bear his testimony to them.—( Hear, hear.) He did not
know any one who had more zealously discharged his duties
during the whole of his Parliamentary career. He was
not prepared to say that the grant should not be formed
into a precedent for future grants. if similar individuals
might hereafter require them. But it hadbeen said thatiSii.J.
Newport had held the office ofComptroller of the Exchequer,
and was thereby disqualified from receiving a pension.
Now he perfectly agreed with those who thought that the
holding of that office did not give a claim to the favour, but
that having had that claim previously, the fact of having
held such an office should not deprive him of it,—( Hear,
hear.) What was the object of the Act of Parliament ?
Its object was to prevent any one from holding a pension
while he filled the office in question, and that
the office should give no claim to a pension. But if a per-
son who had been previously entitled to a pension were ap.
pointed to the Comptrollership of the Exchequer, was he
thereby to lose the claim which he already possessed ? He,
for one, should not think that fair. On those grounds, and
after having attentively listened to the whole of the debate,
he felt it his duty to vote for the amendment of the Noble
Lord.

Mr. LIDDEL L said that he should not have again
troubled the House, had it not been for an observation
which had come from the Hon. Member for Finsbury.
That Hon. Member had used the to quoque argument to
that side of the House, and had referred to what be had
termed a job in former times on the part of his Right
Hon. Friend (Mr. Goulburn).—(Hear.) Now he
(Mr. Liddell) had ever acted in the House as an
independent Member, and, he would say, that of all the
transactions of the Government of the Noble Duke (the
Duke of Wellington), there was none which redounded
more to his credit than that to which the Hon. Member
for Finsbury had referred.—( Cries of " Hear, hear," and
" Oh, oh.") What were the real circumstances of
that transaction ? The Duke of Wellington, with
that zeal for the public service, end that
spirit of economy which had always characterised his ex-
reer, cut off on finding that he could do so consistently whir
the due discharge of the public service, two offices held
by Mr. Bathurst and Mr. Dundas. Instead of making a
job of that transaction SS otl.ers had done. he had cut off two
offices held by sons of Members of his own Cabinet,
and which offices had, up to that period, been inxariably
held for life. After having done that be had proposed
small retiring pension to those individuals subject to the
1-)piobation of Parliament, bat which Parliament, in its
wisdom, though not perhpps in itt; justice, had thought fit
to withhold. After the explanation he had given he would
conclude by asking the House if there were any justice in
census ing such a transaction ?—( Hear, hear.)
The House then divided, rnd the numbers were—
._

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Fur the motion 240
For the amendment
Majority
The other Orders of the Day acre then disposed of, and
:he !louse adjourned.

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16ARRIED.
On the 27th inst., at St. George's, Hanover-square, J"h°
Willis Fleming, Esq./ late of the Grenadier Guards, and elclett
son of John Fleming, EN., of Stoneham-park, Southampton..
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