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wish, imme4iately after the recess, to bring forward
some of the Irish measures of which I have spoken
on a former occasion, and to which I am desirous that
the House should give its most anxious consideration.
—(Hear, hear.) The Honourable Gentleman op-
posite said that though we had passed a measure
lbr the prevention of crime and outrage in Ireland, he
doubted whether we would proceed to act upon its
provisions. I think the Honourable Gentleman may
spare himself all anxiety on that subject, because
my Noble Friend the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland has
applied himself to the consideration of the state of
Ireland, and that consideration, I can assure the Hon.
Gentleman, will not end in mere empty declarations
or words— (hear, hear)—for he is prepared to act
with that vigour and energy which belongs to his
character in carrying out the law which this House
has passed for the restoration of tranquillity in the
country.—(llear, hear.) Let me add, that Ido think
that the Parliament and the Irish Government should
not be frustrated in their attempt to effect that object,
and that I shall be ready on the part of the Govern-
ment of this country to give every support to my
Noble Friend in those steps that he may think neces•
nary to take for the prevention of crime in any
exigencies that may arise.—(Cheers.) The Noble
Lord asked me a question with regard to emi-
gration. I can only say that the information
which has been received on this subject will be
laid on the table of the House, and if the Noble Lord
had spoken on this subject a day or two since, the
papers would have been presented this evening. I
must state that in North America, and mere espe-
cially in Canada, a very great prejudice prevails
against emigration from this country, arising from
the unfortunate state of a great portion of the emi,
grants who went over during the last season from
Ireland, and of whose melancholy suffering the Noble
Lord is no doubt aware.—(Hear, hear.) 'We shall
he ready to present the papers in a few days, and if
the Noble Lord thinks it necessary to bring the sub-
jeet forward again I shall be prepared to state my
views regarding it. I cannot say that we intend
bringing in any measure on the subject of emigra
tion this year, but we shall be prepared to lay all
papers containing. statements or views on the subject,
that may be received from time to time on the table
of the House. In conclusion, I have only to ex-
press a hope that the Hen. Gentleman, seeing what
the sense of the House is, will not persist in propos•
ing an earlier day for the re-assemblieg of the House
than has been suggested by her Majesty's Govern-
ment.—(Hear.)
Colonel DUNNE said he hoped her Majesty's
Government would take into their consideration a
subject which attracted much attention i❑ Ireland,
regarding the rating of unions as electoral divisions.
Such ratings could not now be adopted unless the
guardians were unanimous, which he need not say
was very seldom the case.
Sir B. HALL said he was determined to oppose the
voting of any further sum for the relief of distress in
Ireland until they saw what the working of the last
Poor-law Act was in that country. From the last
return of the expense of the poor-rates in England
and Ireland that had been laid on the table of that
House, and which came down to the Ist of January,
1847, it appeared that while the average rate for
England was ls. 74d., the average rate in Ireland was
only 81d.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped that his Right
[lon. Friend the Secretary of State for the Home
Department would take care to have laid on the table
as soon as possible a similar return up to the Ist of
January, 1848. The people of this country were
most anxious to see the distress which prevailed in
Ireland relieved, and they were ready to agree to any
measures absolutely necessary to effect that object,
but they thought that a just share of the burden
should rest on the property of Ireland in the first
nstance. Hon. Gentlemen from Ireland seemed

to forget that great distress prevailed in this country.
They were, perhaps, not prepared to hear that in
Marylebone above 140,000 persons, or 17 per cent. of
the population, had received relief.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. H. GRATTAN said the lion. Baronet over-

looked in his calculations the immense sums tha

went out of Ireland annually to this country.
50,000/. a year left the county of Wicklow alone
annually to go into the pockets of absentees. The
Hon. Member appeared not to know the vast sums
that Lord Portsmouth, and Lord Lansdowne, and
Lord Devon, and other great Irish proprietors resid-
ing in this country, drew out of Ireland. If the
house would send back the rich absentees, he would
be quite willing to undertake on the part of Ireland
the payment, not of ls. Bd. but of 2s. in the pound for '
the support of the poor. If they did not take care,
they would by their out-door relief reduce the Irish
gentry to such a state of poverty and destitution, that
they would be found coming over here just as the
French refugees did after the Revolution, and they
the House would have to give them a shilling a day
for their support, as they gave the French.—
(Laughter.) He would beg of the Noble Lord at
the head of her Majesty's Government, in bringing
forward any measure for the relief of Ireland, to put
out of his mind altogether anything that fell from the
lion. Member for Marylebone.—(ltenewed laughter.)
Sir G. GREY said the papers to which the Hon.'
Baronet alluded would be in the hands of Members
in a few days. He begged to add, that the return
alluded to by his Hon. Friend was for the year 1846,
but he would find that the rates for the present year,
is far as Ireland was concerned, would be very much
beyond Ezid. With regard to what had fallen from
the Hon. and Gallant G,.utleman the Member for
Fortarlington (Colonel Dunne) lie had only to say
that, under certain circumstances, the guardians had
power of making a union rating instead of an electo-
ral division rating ; and in some few cases, where such
a system of rating was adopted by paid boards of
guardians, they had necessarily received the sanction
of the Commissioners, and no doubt, if any valid ob-
jection could be urged, that sanction would nut have
been extended.
Mr. DEERING begged to remark, in reference
to the rating of England and Ireland, that in seven
parishes which constituted the constituency that he
had the honour to represent, the average rating was,
he was certain, not under 65., and in his own parish
it was 6s. 6d. in the pound. When Irish property
was rated to that extent, then he thought they might
complain, and ask for relief from his constituency,
but not sooner.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. SPOONER said that as the sense of the
House appeared to be against him, he would ask
leave to withdraw his amendment.—(Hear.)
The amendment was then withdrawn, and the
original resolution for the adjournment of the House
at its rising to Thursday, 3d of February, was
agreed to.
DUCHY OF LANCASTER.

Mr. BROTHERTON gave notice that it was
his intention to move, immediately after the recess,
for a Select Committee to inquire into the expe-
diency of abolishing the office of Chancellor of the
Duchy of Lancaster, and of tranferring the duties of
the office to the Home Secretary.
SUNDAY TRADING.

Mr. IIINDLEY gave notice that he would, after
the recess, move for leave to bring in a Bill for the
amendment of the law affecting Sunday trading.
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM IN PRISONS.

The Earl of ARUNDEL gave notice that he
would, after the recess, move for a Select Committee
to inquire into the discipline and regulations now in
force in the prisons, penitentiaries, houses of correc-
tion, and other places of confinement for criminal
offences in Great Britain, with the view of ascertain-
ing the best practical means of securing to every
prisoner not in communion with the Church of En-
gland the benefits to be derived from a due observance
of the religious duties of his faith ; and also the best
practical means of securing the proper attendance of
his priest or other minister of his religion, for the
purposes of religious instruction.
CAPTAIN DENMAN. _ _

Mr. URQUHART gave notice that he would
move, on the Bth of February for "Copies of ull cor-
respondence between the Hon. Captain Denman,
R.N., and her Majesty's Government, relating to the
undertaking given by that Government to defend the
actions now pending in the Court of Exchequer
against the said officer, for the destruction of pro-
perty on the west coast of Africa:'
AMENDMENT OF THE LAW.
The ATTORNEY. GENERAL gave notice that
on Thursday, the 3d of February, he would move for
leave to bring in four Bills, with the object of amend-
ing and reforming the duties of magistrates at quarter
sessions.