The Sun.
London, England, 1841-06-16 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN'I%
HOUSE OF LORDS, June 15.
Th 3 ton) CifAxar.r.on. took his seat on the Wool-
- at Five o' Cluck.
Lord ROLLE presented a petition from DeronAiire,
:Again.it any alteration in ihe Corn-laws.
Ti.! Duke a RU presented petitions from
Leicestershire :Ind other pia; es, praying that no :them-
non 1) made in thy? ptvs,nt Corn-laws.
Thct tiLio:rent Debtor's (Ireland) Bill went thrOtigh
Comatittc?.

The Metropolis Improvement Bill was read a second
Lord DUN CANNON said the of the Bill was
to enable the to raise monies: on certain
Crown property in Minifiesex rather than:to issae Ex-
thequer
Several Bills were forwarded a stage.
Lord WiLIIiNCLIFIE presented a oetition against
the Poor-law Bill also petitions from' Yorkshire that no
alteratioo be made in mlr.r Corn-laws.
The Med of RADNOR said he should:present e pe-
tition on Thursday with respect to the Poor-law Bill,
from certain 'oeeratives in Man-heater, mid be should
Cali their Loadships' particular attention to it.
Lord WHATINCLIFI-t: laid .on the table a Bill -for
tae atnrodment of tli Marriage Act, especially with
respect to the clause which related to marriages in cer-
tain degrees of aliiaita.
The Earl of ROSEBERRY presented a petition from
Kilkenny against the Corn-laws.
Lord -BEAUMONT presented a petition to the same
The Earl. of ABERDEEN presented a petition
from the seven Ministers of Strathbogie who have
been suspended from. their (Ars. The Noble Earl re-
marked very Strongly on the ease of the petitioners, who,
he said, hail been-suspended from their offices for the sole
crime of acting up to the laws of their country. lie had
. • known several of these gentlemen, and knew them to be
amoagst the most exemplary and orthodox ministers
. existing in the Church of Scotland. The case
of these gentlemen had excited a strongfeed-
ing in the minds of the people of Scotland.
Meetings were held, and they came to resolutions reprobat-
ing the treatment of these gentlemen. He (the Earl of
Aberdeen) thought tile tyranny towards those gentlemen
was never surpassed by the Church of Rome in its greatest
Pr':A'S/.l2isTncit.iiKil.
t MELBOURNE said he regretted the present
state of the Scottish Church, hut he was not prepared to
admit that that state of things could be attributed to
any remissness on the part of the Government ; the
Government were determined to enforce the law of the
land, and be had no doubt that. the Lord Advocate -had
done all that it. was his duty to dO.---(, Hear, hear.)
The Earl of lIADDING TON said the General As-
sembly had appointed a sort of roving Commission, with
anthorty over five Presbyteries, and had given them
power to frame whatever rules and regulations at; to
matter of ecelesiastieel discipline, and otherwise, as they
might think fit. What would any Right Rev. Prelate
say to that ? He contended that such perversion of
power, was gross illegality.
The Marquis of NORMANBY said that instructions I
had been eeuveyed to the Lord Advocate to take steps
• whenever he thought proper, and as he had not done so
on the present occasion, he must have thought it unne-
cessary. .
The Marquis of BREADALBANE complained of the
strong language employed by the Noble Earl (Hadding-,
ton), and of the one-sided view of the question which be-
took. He (the Marquis of Breadalbane) deprecated any
interference on the part of the Government.
The Duke of ARGYLL made some observations,
which were inaudible in the gallery.
Lord BROUGHAM said' the Court of Session of
Scotland had determined this question, but the Presby-
tery had applied to the House of Lords, and it had been
most ably argued arid fully considered. Their Lordships
were ably assisted by the law Lords ; and they had also
come to a clear decision, confirming the opinion of the
Court of Session. This decision, however, had not been
obeyed. He, for one, would never permit the powers of
the highest Court of Judicature to be infringed upon.
Viscount MELLi HTIINE said that nothing could be
further from his intention titan giving anything like en-
couragement to those aim had neglected the law in
Scotland. It was their intention to execute the law, but
the General Assembly had. not done that which
it had been contended they had a right to do. If they
hal done so there oas tiro law as a remedy. The Go-
vernment eoesidereil that the best way of executing the
law was for it to execute itself.
Lord BROUGHAM never meant to say thet it
_WAS
the haul:thin of the Government to give encouragement
to violator.; of the law. What he had• stated was that
the intention was one thing and the tendency was
annther.
Lo d , BELILAVEN thought that if the question
could be tried on the presentatical of individuals on the
the deposition of those individuals, it would be the best
way to settle the quest ion.
After a few words from the Earl of Aberdeen, the
Duke of Argyll, end the Lord Chancellor, the subject:
dropped.
The Marquis of SALISBURY presented a petition
from the Agricultural Association of Essex praying that
no alteration be made in the present Corn-laws.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from the
Mayor, Aldermen, and Burgesses of Devonport in favour
of the Jews Declaration Bill. Also a petition from
• Pontefract card other places in favour of the measure in-
treduced by her Altijesty's Government.
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TRUSTS BILL.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said the object of this
Bill was to secure to the poor the benefit of the charities.
The Bill proposed to do this in two ways- It was to save
the expense whenever trustees were appointed. When
new trustees were appointed, of necessity there, would be.
a transfer of the property to these trustees. Then that
happened—and it cOntinnelly happened--considerable
expense was thrown on the trust fund. A deed had to
be drawoa—an attorney to be employed—the stamp duty
paid. In small charities this was a great burthen. The
object of the present -enactment was, that whenever such
events as these should happen, the property shall be
vested in the remaining. trustees ipsc fitclo by their ap-
pointaleilt, with power to make up their number. The
other object of the Bill was not a-question of expense
it was a question of total denial. The words in the Mu-
nicipal Act were that " all the estate, interest, and
title which at that -time existed in the Corporation
or any indiVidual holding it for the Corporation shall
on the Ist day of August 1536; and from and after- that,
cease and determine.' That is that from and after
that time, the Lord Chancellor must be applied to to
make such order as he shall think fit. The Noble and
Learned Lord concluded-by moving that the Bill be then
read a second time. -
T.ord LYNDHURST opposed the .He thought.
that a Bill of this description ought not to have been in- I
trodueed at this late period of the session, more partial-
larly considering the state of the. two Houses
of *Parliament. The object of this Bill was
to confirm and complete the title of those trust 6
which had passed under the Municipal Act. no
would state one circumstance, which was, that a •
number of these trustees consisted of Dissenters fr uth the
Church of England, and a great 'part of the pre pert, to
which these trusts referred consisted of estates. vested in
the Church of England, a great many of tom were ad-
vowsons, and this was the reason why he called on their
Lordships not to confirm their title. lie would refer
the to the Corporation of Bristol. Tah''' trustees.
sv
of the charities there only contained eleven
rho
here
hers of the Church of Engle: re
a a
great number of estat:es which oeb_
livionsly granted for malabers of the Church of
, England, and amoutt the property was these adrow-
sons, and Dissenters had a right to present to livings.
This was not (married against in the Municipal. Reform
Bill. In the Irish Corporation Bill it did so. In that
Bill it was provided that no person should interfere with
' the presentation of livings who was not a member of the
Church of England. It was for this he 'objected to the
Bill. He thought, under all the circumstances, that it
ought not to be brought forward at this period of' the
Session, and that it ought not to be brought forward •
under any circumstances without being first referred to R.
Seleqt Ctino»lttee. He, therefore, moved that the Bill
be read a second time that day three months.
Lord BROUHGAM said he was quite astonished that
his Noble Friend should take this objection, on such. a
groom!. If this Bill was throrin out, they put into abey-
ance munch of the property of this country belonging
_to
the poor. He fully expeeted his Noble Friend to have
concluded by moving the insertion of a clause With •
speet to advoweona. But he (Lord Brougham) could
not see ;that danger there would be even if it were to
Dnisostehnintegij.si,firto'
utllte -1 - a
happen that Dissenters in some corporations should 11 VII
tChiiisurecohuni:ra;rownahgeich.
'prifi-eevr-eentlevtir
holding '7of
en'S may hold
advowsons. It frequently happened.
—oble Lord seemed
thorn. They were rate-payers. .Th
to conclude,- that because they Aye
stile Bill.
would present Dissenters to the:lii 'ex: Dissenters,- they
The Earl of WARWICK oppose(111-1
Lord LYNDHURST explidned.
Lord WIIIHNCLIFFE said, that •
that as Parliament
the Bill '3
etscoonfsiderar
would meet again in the course two months, the in-
ittesre srtesn'
loafi
ntilitwe object,
dntbe injured by
thought would give satisfaetioinout:trill then, which he
Tho LORD CHANCELLOR caid parties.
had beer:
as many various opili,,rui,oonnssoNinitheo b'cdonstruction, of the Act
The Earl or 'RANOR tl
as taller tidied been
Dissenters intermeddlinar given. 'chem.
„Ith"g‘ill tliat the objection to
a peculiarly in
wicv f,
1.1 :pis property came with
NVIIO, whert Chan'cellofoill
'tie Noble Lord (Lyndhurst),
sapporters of tie- had been one of the principal
repeal of the Test and Corporation
Laws ; thug., under the old municipal law, enabling Dis-
senter:; become
members of corporations, and giving
theili this very right with
which he now objected to en-
treat them.
•-' trangers were then ordered to withdraw-, and their
Lordships divided, when there appeared—
For Lord Lyndhurst's amendment 52
Against it
Majority in favour of the amendment —26
The Bill was consequently lost.
Their Lordships then ailiourned at Half-past Eight
o'Clock to Thursday neat. •

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 15.

The SPEAKEn took the Chair at Four o'Clock.

The Lords amendme;lts Debts
Bill, and the Wigan Small Debts Bill, were agreed to.
l'assavant's Naturalization Bill was read a third time
and passed.
The Abingdon Road Bill was read a third time and
pas4ed.
(1.-1 the Or:ler of the Day ii r bringing up the Report.
alb., St. John',.; Hospital (Winchester) Estate Bill,
Mr. LEADER opposed the Bill on the ground
that it, woula be a violation of private interest.
of this estate had been promised
vnev. f • his le-c'e for' a term of 21 years, t;
.1,
that was ' all he trited- for. lie thought, moreo
the interests of the charity were not promoted by s©Y