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from their own fears and misapi,
affected, were invited, and had full liberty to witness
the experiments from the first to the last. What,- bsl
would ask, had been the conduct pursued towarefss
him by the Rev. Mr. Clutterbuck, who had become sot
great an opponent to the measure ? Why, he used to
attend the works continually, and he (Mr. Paten)
afforded him all the information he desired.--(Hear.)
He defied Mr. Clutterbuck to contradict this Atate
went. The Rev. Gentleman bad not, however, proved
himself quite so honourable in return, for he had sunk a
well in a chalk dell near his (Mr. Paten's), having all
the' appearance of an Artesian boring to the lower
sprirgs, whereas, in fact, it was hardly seven feet deep,
and therefore cc,uld only receive the soakage of the
land and surface water, and of course ebbed and flowed,
rose and fell from every trilling rain that occurred, and
strange to say, that for !upwards of three months the
engines were at work, only cloven days out of that
Feriod did the Reverend Gentleman ta,ulate it. He
would ask was this conduct honourab;e ?—(Cries
of No, no.") This Reverend Gentleman .had also
publicly asserted that one spring in the neigh-
bourhood, used by a water-cresse grower, was
abated by the working of his (Mr. Paten's) engines,
but he forgot to let out the secret (perhaps Air-
Clutt r')uck might not be aware of it) that
this man used to dam the water back when the
engines were not at work, and when they were, to
let it drain off, and thus he effected a difference in
the supply to the extent of three inches.—(Hear,
hear.) He (Mr. P.) was prepared to prove this
fact. Ile would now call their attention to a Mr.
Dickenson, a millowner, who had set before the world
through the press "that the wells in the neighbourhood
of Watford were certainly lowered, and the springs
nearly dried up, by the working of the Company's en-
gines." He (Mr. Paten) dared him to prove one so-
litary instance cf any such effect having been produced,
and he held at that moment in his hand no less than
9S testimonials contradicting it.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. CLAPP expressed a desire to see the declarations
alluded to, proving, in ninety•eight cases, the wells had
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PRICE sd.

of attention in the City, and on the whole they appeL r
to have produced a favourable impression. The only
anxiety is respecting the ability of the Government to
act up to them, seeing there is still so heavy a military
expenditure going on, as compared with the means
of the people. There was very little doing
in any of the Foreign Stocks to-day, and Spanish
Active Bonds were reduced, Ly sales among the

jobbers themselves, from 24 and 1 to 24 and 24..
Portuguese New Five per Cents. were heavy at :32 :
and the Tnree per Cents. at 20 to Peruvian were
at 16i ; Crilembhn at a decline to 22i ; Brazilian at
aatr2alilyi 1aa7r12,1
ia37:lnli7a2ni
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iiCreheilinpaer actenGt:3 ; BuenosBat6siexA...dyir,,cis
(lend ; French Five per Cent. Itentes were steady at
112 ; and the Three per Cents. at 77f. Dutch T o -
and-a Half per Cents. ranged from 50 to 4 ; and the
Five per Cents. from 99 to 98-.
Shares again receded slightly in value. Great.
Western were 27i, the New 12 to 11i, the Fifths 5
to ; and the South Western 182 a premium. The
Brighton were 7i to G=i ; the North Midland 25 ; and
the Midland Counties 20 to 202 discount. London
.Laint Stock Bank New Shares were 2 premium ; and
Provincial Bank cf Ireland iBf premium.
No papers have yet reached town by the Cambridge
Packet from New York. This delay appears to cause
some annoyance to the merchants and others interested
in American affairs.

The feature in the produce markets to-day was the
exposition at public sale of 52,000 packages of tea, part
of that sunk in the 'Westminster, Indiaman, off the
Goodwin Sands, and since recovered (after being in
the salt water some time), and washed and kiln-dried
under the superintendence of her Majesty's officers of
Excise. There were 11,500 chests in all, but 5,000
were recovered without damage. The tea was con-
signed to the eminent firms of Messrs. Forbes and
Co., and to Messrs. Baring Brothers, and was allowed
to be taken for home consumption, upon their special
application, for the benefit of the underwriters. There
have been al: along many grave doubts as to the pro-
priety of her Majesty's Excise not condemning such
an article as unfit for entry, and the trade were quite in
a ferment to know who would become the buyers of it,
should it be offered by auction. To-day Messrs.
Thompson, the brokers appointed, brought it forward,
and there was a large attendance of speculators arid
the trade, many present from curiosity, and not a few
from the better motive of expressing their disapproba-
tion that the article had not been destroyed. Under
such circumstances it was natural to anticipate a
" stormy debate," which, accordingly, arose before the
sale had fairly begun, a.nd lasted for some time. In
short, it, was found, after a great deal of argument
pro et con., that there was a feeling adverse to the
course adopted, and the whole was withdrawn, not,
we hope, to be given to the public in any other way.

Kings Langley, Che:ham, Chenies, and Watford, and
all other parts within 1131 square miles, of water.
This statement was preposterous ; let them look at the
supply of water required for London. From the evidence
of Mr. Knight, in 1834, before a Committee of the
House of Commons, it appeared that the three Companies
north of the Thames, namely, the Grand Junction, %Vest
Middlesex, and Chelsea, supplied 6,800,000 gallons to
41,000 houses. At the same ratio 0,287,000 gallons
would be sufficient to supply the 56,000 houses proposed
to be supplied by the London and Westminster Com-
pany. The springs rising in theupper part of the valley,
from which the supply is to be taken, had produced
from time immemorial. 11,000,000 per diem, being 20
per cent. more than is required by Mr. Knight s own
showing.
The CHAIRMAN observed that he had guagcd these
springs himself; and knew Mr. Paten's statement to be
correct.

SUPPLY OF PURE WATER TO

THE METROPOLIS.

On Tuesday evening a special meeting of the Com-
mittee appointed by the Mat ylebone Vestry to watch
and give support to any Bill or Bills about to be
brought into Parliament for a better and cLecper sup-
ply of pure and wholesome Water for the Metropolis,
took place at the Court House, Marylebonelane.
Mr. HUGH BIERS having been appointed to the
Chair, stated that it had been convened in order that
they might be set right with reference to certain
statements which had lately been put forward in the
newspapers, emanating from a meeting of millowners
and opponents of the proposed supply, held at Uxbridge
and Watford. At the former meeting it appeared
that only one side of the question had been argued,
every body of su opposite way of thinking being ex-
cluded. At this one-sided meeting, however, it had
been declared that the effect of the London and
Westminster Water Company taking their wa-
ter from the chalk below I3ushey Hall Mea-
dows would be materially to injure and reduce,
not only the wells in the immediate neighbourhood, but
also the river Colne and its tributaries. lie was con-
fi lent this was an alarm raised without the slightest
foundation. It was well known that there was an in-
exhaustible supply of water to be obtained in every part
of Hertfordshire. It would doubtless be remembered
by many members of that Vestry that London was sup-
plied with water from Hertfordshire long before the
introduction of the West Middlesex and Grend June
tion Company. That supply came from springs at
Ware, and those at Bushey Hall Meadows formed a
part of the same supply which fed the springs at Ware,
and therefore the projected supply would only be a se-
cond tapping for the use of the metropolis, the only
difference being that the supply would be obtained by a
much less circuitous route. 'lliere were gentlemen
present who had attended for the purpose of giving the
Committee some information and proper data upon the
subject ; and as assertions had gone forth to the public
that the supply proposed to be taken from Bushey Hall
Meadows would not be sufficient, in the first place, to
supply the metropolis, and.that it would affect not only
the wells, but the rivers for miles round, under
such circumstances, he believed it was quite within the
pros ince and the duty of that Committee to hear those
gentlemen in explanation or refutation of those asser-
tions.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. Gomm was most anxious that every possible in-
formation should be obtained upon the subject, and that
any improper or incorrect statements which had gone
forth to the public should be corrected, and set right.
He regretted the course which had been adopted at the
opposition meeting at Uxbridge, in only allowing one
side of the question to be discussed ; but he was gratified
that the press were net excluded.

Mr. PATEN here detailed his operations at Bushey
Hall Meadows, which he stated had been carried on
under an order of a Committee of the House of Lords.
He had put nearly 20 borings in various parts •f that
valley, and he found the springs in every one of them
equally abundant. He subsequently commenced an
Artesian boring twelve inches in diameter, and
sank a pipe, as the Rev. Mr. Clutterbuck should have
done, 80 feet deep, forcing it into the chalk by which
all surface waters were shut out. He then bored
deep springs, which he found to increase in geometrical
progression the deeper he went. At the depth of 15/0
feet he put in two pumps, and the little boring of only
12 inches in diameter produced at the rate of about
700,000 gallons every 24 hours, and 12 or 14 of these

little Artesian wells would produce the quantity re-
quired. lie subsequently sank a shaft, 20 feet in dia-
meter, going through the gravel, aad, by means of three
double pumps and a six-horse power engine, he suc-
ceeded in getting down to the chalk. He found it
necessary to erect. a 16-horse power engine, with which,
to show the immense stream that issued, and the six-
horse power engine working up to *horse power, he
could only get eight feet into the chalk springs, and
although they continued working every day 16 hours
per day for upwards of three months, and pump-
ing at the rate of one million and three quar-
ters gallons prr diem, yet they could not
take away the water for the purpose of lowering the
well, and after putting four small borings into the well,
the water rose so abundant that those engines could not
Inrrr it within piiht feet of thr bottom of the well, not-
withstanding the well was only 35 feet deep, and only
eight feet into the chalk. Had these engines been of
sufficient power to have pumped the water within two
feet of the bottom of the well, it would alone have pro-
duced two to three million gallons every 24 hours ;
and if he (Mr. Paten) had had a 75-horse power engine
to have enabled him to have sunk the shaft 60 feet
lower into the springs, that one well alone would have
produced all the water required for the supply of
56,000 houses. At the time Mr. Stephenson the en-
gineer examined the works, the engines, by his orders,
were at work 26 hours successive!), notwithstanding
which the water could not even then be reduced lower
than eight feet, and there it remained stationary. He
h;gged to observe, in conclusion, that the Company
would most readily assent to any protective clause in
their Bill, although they were convinced from the expe-
riments that not a drop of water would be taken front
the Colne, or any of the wells be affected thereby.

The CliAtastAN observed that although the press
was admitted it must be remembered that only one side of
of the question was discussed, and that consequently
only one side of it could be reported.
Mr. KIRBT (Barrister) thought that the Committee
could not legitimately permit gentlemen to go into the
question geologically in order to disabuse the public
mind as to the assertions made at the meetings of mill-
owners residing near the Comae River. He thought the
information proposed to be afforded in opposition to
those statements was more the business of a Committee
of the House of Commons.

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Mr. GLAZIER observed that Mr. Dickenson had as-
serted that Mr. Paten's plan would scarcely supply
two streets, whereas, one of the little twelve-inch
borings would almost supply the 14,000 houses in
Mnrylebonc.—( Hear.)
Mr. Lowe was then requested to afford the meeting
some information on the matter.
Mr. Lowe said he was totally unconnected with the
project for supplying the metropolis with water from

the chalk springs. He came before the Committee cow
amore, and as a member of the Geological Society, to
bear testimony to the inexhaustible supply of water
that could be obtained from the lower springs. Until
the previous day he had never spoken a word upon the
subject to any person connected with the project, and
till that day he had not exchanged six words with
Mr. Stephenson in relation to it. Mr. Lowe
then observed that some exception had been taken
to the alleged inexhaustible supply of the Arte-
sian system, because the wells of certain large
breweries on one side of the Thames had been affected
by those on the other. He begged to say tart this
arose from the fact of the brewers hating contented
themselves by going into the plastic clay formation
only instead of descending to the chalk region. Tne
ivi II at Messrs. Truman and Hdrn-bury's brewers,
which had been sunk into the chalk, at an experese
of several thousands of pounds, was a proof that any
quantity of water might be got by going to the proper
depth, and he had no doubt Mr. Davidson, the En-
gineer of the firm, would give evidence before the Com-
mittee of the House of Commons, to the effect
that let them pump as much water as
they chose out of the well, there was
no sensible decrease of the water. The speitker then
dprerisnvgsthaet
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CofrotyhdeonC, oamndmittceto the chalk
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Dorking, which ho
said gave out vast quantities of water ; and after ad-
verting to the geological character of the county of
Hertford, observed that if there was one man who was
0 ipeot upon
better qualified than another to
that paint, that man was Mr. Stephenson, duringsesho,
the herculean task of carrying through th Birming-
ham Railway, had to contend with the very waters.
Ile had not the shadow of a doubt that all that Mr. Ste-
phenson had ever committed himself to on this subject
hly borne out by him. He believed.there
would be thoroughly
some length went into the extent and
could be no two 9
upon the subject. Mr. Lowe then, at the wish of the
from which it was proposed to supply the metropolis.
ex-
plaining that it was not to be supposed that it extended
only what was termed the
Over London basin, es, in fact,
there was the Parisian chalk basin, and the Isle of
Night chalk basin, though in fact, they were but one
character Com m i Committee, eo,
basin. As to the apprehensions expressed that the
River Colne would be affected by the project, he
thought they were entirely
groundless. The bottom of
the river was as impervious to leakage as a stone pitcher.
In concluding his address, Mr. Lowe said he thought
the project would be a greatpublic good,and it
this belief that induced, him to come before the Com-
mittee. fetwhat
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Mr. GOMM thought the Committee ought to be de-
lighted to receive all the information they could possibly
get upon so important a matter.
Mr. CLAPP had no doubt but the points which had
engaged the attention of the millowners, would be-
come the subject of a strict inquiry before the Com-
mittee of the House of Commons, but that was not to
preclude the Vestry from obtaining all the information
it could upon the subject. He had carefully read over
nll the arguments adduced by the opponents to the
London and Westminster Water Company, but he
could find nothing which ought for one moment to
stand in the way of the great project for obtaining a
pure supply of water to the metropolis. This great
project was not to be sat aside by a hole-and-corner
meeting of thirty-seven millowners, xho refused to
hear more than one side of the question.—(Hear.)
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soured to show his profound knowledge in geolo-
gical matters, in opposition to Mr. Stephenson,
and to make the first engineer of the present
day appear almost a nonentity, but his arguments
turned out to he as inconclusive as they were ignorant.
—(Hear, hear.) A reverend parson, tco, had drawn
his conclusions from a small well but seven lett deep,
and yet it was sought to attach weight to such an ex-
periment as this in opposition to the evidence of the
first scientific men of the ago, and the interests of a
million and a half of inhabitants. What ground of
right, he would ask, had 37 millowners over water to be
taken from a source extending even to the German
Ocean ; and if their rights were affected was that too
great a sacrifice for the hundreds of thousands of per-
sons whose health was at present affected by impure
water ?

Mr. GLAZIER said he had witnessed the operation of
the works at Bushey, and he was convinced that there
was more than sufficient water to supply the whole of
London twice over.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. KIRET inquired who the gentlemen were, and
what their connections were with the Company, who
were to afford information.

The CHAIRMAN said one of the gentlemen was Mr.
Paten, the projector of the plan, and the other WAS
named Lowe, a geologist, ar.d a Member of the Royal
Society of Engineers. The latter gentleman he under-
stood was altogether unconnected with the Comony.
Mr. GOMM, suggested that Mr. Paten be first heard
in justice to him, as it was his statements in particular
the millowners impugned.
Mr. GLAZIER said it was for that purpose Mr.
Paten had been requested to attend.
The CHArniAN said the two points
.in particular
the --
were the quantity of water to be supplied, and the
to the supplyeffect of its being taken away upon the locality from
which it was to be taken.
Mr. PATEN said he was much obliged to the Vestry
for the opportunity afforded him of refuting
tor convince the
state-
ments put forth by the opponents
of pure water to the people of London. no attended
led with good
their meeting at Uxaridge, conceiving it to be .
near Bushey,
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After a few remarks, the following resolmtion was
moved and carried :—" That this Committee, after

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practicability of producing an abunJant supply of
water from any part of the great chalk basin extending
for many miles in diameter round London, and espe-
cially from a spring situate in Bushey hall Meadows,
wholesome, pure, and at a moderate expense ; and thoy
feel called on to use their hest endeavours to promote so
immense a benefit to this metropolis."
The meeting then adjourned.

Mr. J. Beal. Government Superintendent of Fac-
tories, sL:mmoncd Mr. James Ogden, a woollen-manufac-
turer, at Roth lale, for improperly employing children, and
not pro:ucing vouchers of attendance at school, they being
tnedder for which Mr. Ogden has been
fined
sad costs.
age,
ts.