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London, England, 1847-07-13 00:00:00

JULY

MORN t'NG, JULY la, 1847.

Coventry. Nuneaton, Birmingham, and L
way.
Rest of Fife Railway (Nlarkinch Deviation).
Great Western Raihva) (Arneit:ltnent Exte,
14.1iinch st,,r, and Newc3st.e Tyne
Junction thilway Acts Amendment.
London snd North IVes7prn Radwly (Linie-s!reet,
Sta'ion Extension, &c.)
Newbury Cemetery.
Paisley and Renfrew Rail, a.y (Sale and Improvement).
South Eastern Railway (Widening of the Greenwich
Railway, and Arrangement and Enlargement of the
London-bridge Statim )
Waterford and Limerick Railway.
Wexford Free Bridge.
BISHOPRIC OF MANCHESTER.
Sir J. Y. BULLER presented a petition from Here-
ford against the clause in the Bishopric of Manchester
Bill with respect to the Deanery of Herefwd.
On the motion of Mr. WILSON PATTEN, it was
ordered, " That it be an instruction to the Committee of
Selection to appoint the Committee on Penson's E.tate
Bill on Wednesday next. and that the Committee have
leave to report the same day."
On the motion for the first reading of Passingham's
Estate Bill,
Mr. GREENE moved that it be referred to the Ex-
aminers of Petitions for Private Bills, with leave to sit
and proceed to-morrow.
ARGYLE CANAL BILL.
Mr. HUME wi:lied to know whether it was the in-
tention of the Government to proceed with the Ark*) le
Canal Bill ?
Lor.l J. RUSSELL said it was not the intention of the
Government to proceed with tilt, Bill.
BISHOPRIC OF MANCHESTER.
Lord J. RUSSELL, in answer to a question from Mr.
Collett, said it was the intention of the Government to
proceed with the Bishopric of Manchester Bill to-morrow
morning at twelve o'clock.
Mr. COLLETT said he was determined to oppose the
proceeding with so important a Bill at the early sittings
of the House.

EDUCATION (IRELAND).
Lord JOHN MANNERS wished to know from the
Noble Lord at the head of the Government whether
the report was true that the Government had determined
to give preferment to no clergymen of the Church of
Ireland who would not support the system of education
adopted by the National Education Society of that
country.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that there was no foundation
for the report in question.
POST OFFICE CARRIERS.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE plesented a petition from Fre-
tese c
Fre-
derick Greig, a Post-office letter carrier, complaining
of his dismissal without notice from the Post-office, in
consequence of certain evidence which he had given
with respect to the ." Post-office Directory," and praying
the House to institute a seardbcehtihinnaggt
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inquiry
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postponed
the
case.nd
ill
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The Hon. Member gave notice that to-morrow- he
would move that the petition be printed with the vote.
reading
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rBISHOPRICd the oßill,
of
j. RUSSELL
thisdLre rs S Et theOLE nadoav)e, MANCHESTER BILL.
till twelve o'clock to-morrow.
Mr. COLLEI'T moved, as an amendment, that the
Bill be read at five o'clock to-morrow.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw. The amend-
ment was, however, withdrawn, and the Bill ordered to
be read a second time at twelve o'clock to-morrow.
WELLINGTON STATUE.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL stated that be would take
this opportunity of stating, in reply to a question put by
the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn with respect to the
Wellington statue, that he had had an interview with
the illustrious Duke himself upon the subject, who had
informed him that he looked upon the question entirely
as a public one. Many persons had considered that the
removal of the statue would be a mark of disrespect
to his Grace. The illustrious Duke had, however,
replied to him in substance that, for his own part, he
had received too many proofs of the regard and appro-
bation of the Crown to lead him to think that such
could be the intention of the Crown in ordering the
removal of the statue.—(Hear, hear.) Upon public
grounds he deprecated the removal. of the statue.—
(Hear.) This opinion had been communicated to her
Majesty, and he (Lord John Russell) had received the
Qte.en's commands to state to the HouSe that it was not
the intention of the Government to proceed with the
removal of the statue.—(Hear, hear.)
GREENOCK ELECTION.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL requested the Hon. Member
for Greenock (Mr. Baine), who had a motion on the
paper, on reading the order of the day for the Committee
of Supply, to call the attention of the House to the re-
cent interference of the Government, exercised chiefly
through the medium of the Secretary at War, with the
constitutional privileges of the Parliamentary electors of
Greenock, to postpone his 'notion, in order to allow
the House to go into Committee of Supply.
Mr. BAINE did not wish to throw any obstacle in the
way of the public business
• of the IIouse; he would,
therefore, withdraw his motion.
After a few words from Mr. F. MAULE and Mr. TUF-
NELL the motion was withdrawn.
MISCELLANEOUS -STIMATES.
On the order of the day for going into Committee of
Supply being read,
Mr. V. SMITH called the attention of the House to
the present confused mode in which the miscellaneous
estimates were prepared, and suggested the appointment
of a Select Committee to inquire into the circumstances
of the case, and also to examine into the reasons why so
great an increase had taken place in the amount of the
miscellaneous estimates for this year from what it was
in the year 1838. lie found in the present yea, that the
miscellaneous estimates were 1,328,2861. more than they
were in the year 1838
Lord J. RUSSELL said that, no doubt, there was
great room for an inquiry into the subject, but tl e
Government had done all that lay in its power to reduce
the amount of the estimates durine- the present year.
THAMES CONSERVANCY BILL.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE wished to ask the Right Hon.
Gentleman the Secretor% of the Aetniralty when it
was intended to proceed with the Thames Conservancy
Bill ?
'elr. WARD said that it was intended to proceed with
it immediately after the disposal of the estimates.
Sir R. H. INGLIS said, as it was announced to be a
private Bill it ought to be proceeded with at the time
of private business.
Mr. E WART said it was useless to go on with this
Bill. It contained 100 clauses, and could not be got
through this session.
Mr. HUME wished to have the opinion of the
Speaker as to whether the Bill ought not to be pro-
ceeded with at the time of private business.
The SPEAKER said the Bill partook both of the
character of a private and a public Bill, and it would,
therefore, be more regular to take it '
at the time of public
business.
The subject then dropped.
BRITISH SPIRITS.
Mr. MOFFATT then moved f, r a Select Committee to
inquire into the operation of the existing regulatiovis in
reference to the bonding of British spirits in the United
Kingdom, and to the rectification of British spirits for
exportation. These regulations pres ed very heavily
ueon the spirit trade of the country, and he hoped that
during the recess the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer would give the subject his best
attention.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER pro
mised to do so, and the motion was withdrawn.
SUPPLY.
The House then resolved its‘if into a Committee of
Supply ; Mr. Greene in the chair.
The sum of 3,5151. was voted to defray the expenses
of the temporary accommodation of the Committees of
the House of Commons.
count of
On the question that 10,0001. be voted on ac
Portpatrick Harbour,
II Mr. ROSS contended that the harbour would prove
useless, and he should therefore oppose the vote.
tl
Mr. HUME also considered the harbour a pe.rfec_
useless work, and that it ought not to be agreed to, the
tle
More so as a few years ago a pledge
was
give y
ent upon
Government that no more money „wild eP
this harbour. CHEQUER de-
The CHANCELLOR of the EN
as for the public
fended the vote on the ground that it w
service. ostponed.
H P
Mr. HUME moved that the grant be ,
the
k.,HAN.
After a few words from Mr. Ross and
CELLoR of the ExcerequEn, te as a job su -
Mr. WILLIAMS denounced the vo .„.. P
ported by the Government for the benefit 0 t a W hig
Peer.
After a few words from Mr. FEB HE
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
Hon. tuber was wrong in his surmise.
hen there appeared—
The Committee then divided, w
118
For the vote .....................
4
Against it .......................
114
Majority ...........
ofconvict A vote of 4,0001. for the establishment de-
pots in Ireland was agreed to•
agreed to for the purpose
A vote of 5,500/. was also
of drainage in Ireland.
d for a sum of 600,0001. to
After a vote being passe
Relief Committee up
defray the probable charges of t
to the 31st March, 1848,
w whether there were
Mr. HUSIE wished to kno to
mode of carrying on the Relief
be any alterations in the
Commission.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
it was not intended to make any alteration in the system.
Lord CLEMENTS took that opportunity of com-
plaining of a leading
article which appeared in the He always con-
this daY• had
Morning Chronicle of
be a well conducted and respect-
ablesidered that paper to
but he regretted to see
that or any
paper,
other paper endeavouring to intimidate any Honourable
abuse on their
down
Member of that House by pouring do
heads. He believed that that journal was an organ of
the Government.—(Laughter.) He trusted that he
would never again have such an attack mude upon him,
and he hoped that the writer of the article would see
reason to reconsider his opinions.
The vote was then agreed to.
A vote of 500,0001. for commissariat supplies in
Ireland was then agreed to.
The House then resumed.
The House then went into Committee of Ways and
Means, and a vote was agreed to authorising the issue
of various sums of money out of the Consolidated Fund.
NEW ZEALAND BILL.
On the motion of Mr. HAWES, the New Zealand
(Nu. 2) Bill was read a second time.
POOR-LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
Messengers from the Lords appeared at the bar, re-
questing a conference with the House on the subject of
the amendments introduced by their Lordships in the
Poor law Amendment Bill.
The following Members were appointed to coati. on
the part of the Commons :—Lord J. Russell, the Attor-
ney-General, Solicitor-General, Sir George Grey, the

Chancellor of the Exclo,qu,,r, Sir R. Peel, Sir J. Graham,
Lord G. Beurincl, Mr. (in elu &e. &c.
(hi Ole return of the Members who had formed the
C reo,e.

• Lord J. li.( '"SELL stated the result of the inti rview,
and moved that it he referred ton Select Committee.
The Committee was then aominited.
NEW ZEALAND (N.,.2) BILL.
Mr. 11A,\ ES. in moving the order of the day for the
second math, g of this Bill, referred to those pi'eftous
measures on this subject which had been brought
under the notice of the House, and said that,
without enterinz into those questions at that time,
it would be better, by a wise and liberal system
of colonization at once to place upon a sound and perma-
nent basis the government of that country. Such views
as the Government entertained upon this subject were
attempted to be forwarded by a company called the
New Zealand Company, and the questions raised by the
Bill were—first, whether the Government should make an
advance of funds to this company; and, secondly, whether
it should, in the event of such an advance being made,
have any authority or control over it. In locking over
the books of the company, it appeared that the
amount of psid-up capital was 200,0001. ; raised on
the sales of land, 277,000/. ; b.,rrowed from Go-
venom nt, 80,000/: ; from other sources. 25,0601. ;
making in all 636,0001. It appeared that the company
had spept 200,000/. in the colony. and as their prospects
seemed to, ustify further assistance, he proposed by the
Bill to advance them he further sum of 136,0001.

to the question that the Bill be read a second time,
Lord G. BENTINCK said he would not oppose the
treasure, although he thought that the principle with
which the Government had started in the present session
had been depar ei from in this Bill.
Sir H. H. INGLIS supported the second reading of
the Bill.
Mr. W. PATTEN was desirous of knowing whether
the past liabilities of the c tmpany were to be under-

taken by the Government ? -
Mr. HAWES said that the past liabilities of the com-
pany had been estimated, and it was for the purpose o'
meeting them that the former loans had been granted by
Government, and no new liabilities could be incurred
without the sanction of the Government.

Mr. V. SMITH was desirous of knowing upon what
principle the money was advanced. Was it intended to
give the grant as a compensation to the New Zealand
Company, because if compensation was intended it
would be better in his opinion to grant it in any other
shape than the present. If it was not made for com-
pensation was it for colonisation—if it was, then how
were they to meet the claims of other colonies? He had
made the observation in no spirit of opposition to the
measure, but in order that this Bill might receive
proper consideration, as it related to one of the most
important colonies of this country.
Mr. C. BULLER felt called upon to make some
observations, as some misapprehensions appeared to pre-
vail with respect to the provisions of the B:11. The Go
vernment would not be answerable for any liabilities
further than those expressly stated—most certainly not
to any general liabilities. The Government had framed
this Bill not with a view to grant this loan as a means
of compensation, but as a means of colonisation for
which this company had done more than any other asso-
ciation of private individuals.
Mr. MIME thought that this Bill was one which
ought to attract the attention of the whole country. He
was of opinion that the money which they were called
upon to pay this year and last year, was the penalty of
the mismanagement which had been made by the Go-
vernment of the colony of New Zealand. He hoped,
however, that the present heads of the Colonial Depart-
ment would profit by the mistakes of their predecessors,
and exert themselves to prevent a recurrence of the evils
that had already taken place. The most effectual method
for that purpose would be to establish local self govern-
ment. By carrying out this principle, the evils which
spring from the mismanagement of the Colonial-office,
would be put an end to, and a responsibility secured
which would prevent abuse. He was also of opinion that
it would be much better to leave colonization to private
speculation, as from the experience which they had of
the attempt hitherto made by Government in this re -
spect. he feared there was little to be expected but failure
and abuse.

Mr. WILLIAMS thought the grant now proposed
was a large expenditure, but he would not oppose it.
He considered, however, that the mismanagement of the
Colonial•office, which necessitated this additional grant,
should be put an end to.
Sir J. GRAHAM thought the Bill should be dis-
cussed on its merits, and that the censures directed by

the Hon. Member for Montrose and the Hon. Member
for Coventry against the late admini,tration of Colonial
affairs was not deserved by the Noble Lord who pre-
sided over that department in the Government of which
he (Sir J. Graham) had been a Member. If the whole
liability of the British Exchequer was to be limited to
236.0001.—the money advanced last year, and the pre-
sent grant—he would be satisfied. He hoped these
grants would be the means of securing the prosperity of
the colony, and enabling the colony to carry out those
operations which were calculated to develope its re
sources.

After a few words from Lord INGESTRE and Mr. E.
DENISON,
Mr AGLIONBY said that the colony had weighed
the consequences of its own acts, and he believed that at
the expiration of the three years they would be com•
ole.ely successful. He was always desirous that there
should be no cone« alment in the affairs of the colony.
and he believed the sum' ss of the undertaking was c-r-
-tain from the soundness of the principles on which it was
based.

Mr. DISRAELI thought that their constituents out
of doors should properly understand what they were
called upon to do this evening. They were called upon
to give a grant of public money for one of their colonies.
Now, at the beginning of the session a great outcry was
made because a proposition was made for a grant of pub-
lic money for a great public good, and the grounds on
which it was opposed was, that possibly it might go into
-he pockets of destitute shareholders.—(L tughter.) He
wished to know, then, into whose pockets this money was
to go.— ( Laughter.) He very much feared that now, at
'the close of the session, the Government, under the
magical influence of twilight, were allowing those pi in-
ciples which they advocated with such energy at the be-
ginning of the session to drop quietly into oblivion.—
(Hear, hear, and laughter.) If this was an ill-used and
,unfortunate country, as had been stated, he thought it
.was pretty fairly represented in the Government.—
(Laughter.) He wanted to know how it was that the
money now proposed to be advanced to the New Zealand
Company, was to be given at 3 per cent., while that
'proposed a few nights ago to be advanced to Ireland was
to be charged 5 per cent.? Was it to be understood
generally in Ireland, that in the estimation of the present
Government, the security of New Zealand was to
be preferred to that of Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) He did
,not mean to vote against the Bill, but he thought that
this vote showed a most extraordinary and glaring in-
Fonsistency on the part of the Government, and while
it paid a proud homage to the soundness of the prin-
eiples advocated so ably by his Noble Friend beside him
(Lord G. Benttnck) at the beginning of the session,
pronounced the strongest possible condemnation on the
course pursued by the present Government.—(Cheers.)
The Bill was then read a second time.

MUSSEL FISHERIES (SCOTLAND) BILL.

This Bill was read a third time and passed.
HERRING FISHERIES (SCOTLAND) BILL.

This Bill was read a third time and passed.
POST-OFFICE BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
NAVIGATION (No. 2) BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
CONSTABULARY FORCE (IRELAND) BILL.

The report on this Bill was brought up.
DESTITUTE PERSONS (IRELAND) BILL.
The House went into Committee on this Bill, and
passed the remaining clauses.
The House resumed.
LONDON BRIDGE APPROACHES BILL.
The House then went into Committee on this Bill.
The clauses of the Bill were then agreed to without
alteration. The Chairman reported progress, and tne
report was ordered to be brough: up tomorrow.
TRUSTEES RELIEF BILL.
The Trustees Relief Bill was then read a second time,
and ordered to be committed to-morrow (this day).
CANAL COMPANIES BILL.
The House then resolved itself into Committee upon
this Bill.
The clauses were agreed to, and the report ordered to
be brought up to•morrow.
COPYRIGHT (COLONIES) BILL.
The House then went into Committee upon the Copy-
right (Colonies) Bill.
The clauses were agreed to, and the report ordered to
be received to •morrow.
COMMONS
,ENCLOSURE BILL.
The second reading of this Bill was postponed until
to• morrow.