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London, England, 1840-01-10 00:00:00

the same object with him. This evieence w ould occur)y
some portion of their time ; but of its e.lfects there could
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belittle doubt. lie had now only to iad that, irnme-
!,
diately after what he hid stated, the p. "" was U-
prehended on board of a ship at Cardiff, , t. ;flaunting to
make his escape from this country. 'Pais via the base
that he had to lay before the Jury. Tlwv, he was sure,
would do their duty,• both to the prisoner, . '43ud With . a
due regard to the safety of the country.
Chief 'Justice TINDAL here. asked the At torney-Gc- I
neral if he would have any objection to the ;rand Jury
adjourning until Wednesday next ?
The ATTORNLY-GENERAL hoped, ho said , that they
might reassemble- on Monday, as that was pi ..obably the
last day on which the public service wou.td rt. quire their
attendance. •
A desultory conversation here took plac the. result
of which was that such Grand Jurors as .we ct. Members
of Parliament would be excused from further tatendanee,
while the remainder. would reassemble on glio
Jury on Monday.
Upon the first witness being called,
Mr. Themes repeated the objection mat le in the
case of Frost, that the prisoner had • not hec. t served
with a list of the witnesses, in pursuance of the statute,
and Mr. Manis having been examined for the pt irpose
of showing that Mr. Owen, the prisoner's attorney. had l
applied. for a copy of-the indictment, the Court reset vefl,
as in the case of Frost, the- o'ejection fur the deci.slarf of
the Judges.
Mr. Thomas Morris, Surveyor, proved, as in thee/Vie'
of Frost, the various plans of the town of Neopeet, the
approaches to it, Bte.

Thomas Bowen examined by the Attorney-General—
I know Zepliania Williams, the prisoner at the 1011. I
know hint since last summer. He kept the R.sl-al Oak
public-houses He was about half a mile from .11Y house,

I was at his house nntheesenitT,g of '''''''''' the 2d of
November. A friend took me down there at:Nont ten
at night. I found a great many persons at. the Itnyai
Oak, but particularly in the lodge.rooln, that is the ?Dom
appropriated to the Chartists. I was not a met-nth-le of

the Chartist club, nor did I pay any money to them.
That night I saw Zephaniah Williams in the room
called the Long-;:oom or the Lodge-room: Zephaniah
Williams was speaking before I went in ; ho said that
"the five pound notes should be done away with,
and the two pound also." He said that " the
charter should be the law of the land." He
told them, that they were all to " meet there on the
Sunday evening next., and that he would tell them
or let them.know the night of their meeting, and the
minute." He said nothing about pikes, nor was any-
thing said in his presence respecting them. Oa the
Sunday following I went to Zephaniah's hodse ; it wns
very full. It was about three o'clock when I went ; I
there saw, Zephaniah, and after a man had done speak-

ing, Zephaniah stood up on something, so that he was
higher than the rest. He told the people there to "go
home, and if they wished it, to change their clothes, and
to bring bread and cheese along with them, and what-
ever they had to defend themselves with, to be sure to
bring it along with them." He alio told them, "to be
sure to bring guns, or pikes, oi• something of that sort,
or, if they had nothing of that kind, to bring a stick,
and to be sure that it was a good onp." He likewise said,
" they were to come to the mountain between Nantyglo
and Ebw.vale, that is about a mile from. the prisoner's
house, and half a mile from mine. He first stated
something about the national debt, and then said that
there were so many soldiers in Wales, and that if
they were to come out they (the soldiers) would be
nothing, if the Chartists would unite all iu one body."
He also said that " they were not to hearken to any,

old women's tales, but to bring their neighbours alen;;
with them, and that they were not to press any one."
Ho stated also " the consequences to those who would
stop behind—that there were particular spies set out
for particular places—such as Brindmore, Nantyglo,
and Volena." He said that " those who stopped be-
hind might live for a little time, but their lives would
be miserable to them—that they might die !ike dogS."
I do not say he said." that they shad die so.''
Cross-examined by Mr. Thomas—All that I have
been now stating happened on the Sunday evening. It
was daylight at the time. The name of the man who
went with me to the Chartist lodge was Isaac Keppens,
a tailor. Ido not know that he is here. Ho lived in
my house. He is not a journeyman, but a master for
himself. He lived up stairs in a room with my chil-
dren, for which he paid, as my wife told !Ile, Ws. .-
month for six weeks before this time. The last time I

saw him was on the' Wednesday after the Chart ists rose.
My mistress turned him out, and would not let him stop
longer in the house. When I was at the lodge I did
not know any one who was there excepting the tailor
and the prisoner. My wife has often told me that she
would rather see me die than that I should go amongst
the Chartists. I wanted to know what was going on,
from what the tailor told me. I was terrified by is hat
I heard amongst them, and I was very glad to make my
escape out of the room, which I did, as soon as I could
There was a man stationed inside the door of the large
room and another outside of it. I went to Zephaniall's
' house on the Sunday to know if that was actually the
Sunday for the rising. That which made me afraid
was, that the tailor told me that those who had pro-
perty and did not join the Chartists, Would lose it. I
have heard of a man named Reynolds,. but 1 do not
know him. I told that very night to my master what I
had heard. Both on the Saturday and the Sunday night
I heard the prisoner say that he hoped they would he
peaceable and not break the law. One man that spoke
before him was talking of bloodshed, and Williams said
that ho was sorry to hear his brother—" something, as
he called him"—talk of the shedding of blood, that he
hoped there would be no such thing-,--zonly for them to
unite together in one body to show their might.; and if
it should he so, that they were so cruel as to put the
soldicrs to fire on them first, they must do their best.
Crass-taxamined—LA man in the room said, that when
they went altogether there would not be a mouthful
a piece for theta.
George Lloyd, of .Aberystwitli, examined by Ser-
geant Ludlow—l was on Sunday, the 3d of November,
at the Bash, at Nantyglo, about six o'clock, and was
pressed to go with other persons to the house of the
prisoner. 'There were about twenty or thirty there.
They asked me where I was going ? I said, no where
particularly ; and they said, d—d your eyes, you must
come along, and one of the men pushed a dagger
through his hand and put it to my breast. There were
a great many, about a couple of hundred persons at the
prisoner's door. I bad part of a mop-stick there given.
The people had some spears, some knives, and long rods
of iron at the end of the stocks. I saw a gun or two
amongst them. Don't know who gave me the stick. Af-
terwards went to the mountain with the people ;
numbers were there assembled. They came up
in all directions—some in bodies of twenty—some
more, some less. I saw about four or five thousand;
but there were many more whom I did not sec.
Zephaniah Williams got upon a trirop, or a rising
piece of ground higher than the rest. He said, "My
dear Chartists, you need not be afraid, for we are boiled
to' be at Newport by two o'clock." This was in
English. He added something in Welsh which I did
not understand. Some of the people said, " Come on,
my boys, we don't care for the soldiers," and on they
went. We went on to Ebbw-vier. The mob broke
the doors and windows as they went along, and took
the people out of bed. The people in several of the
houses were not willing to go, but they made them
come whether or no. At the canal at Abcrcarn some
of the men pushed me into the canal. because I
trying to make my escape. I .went.into a house to dry
myself, and after I came out, at half-past six o'clock in
the morning„ I made my way towards home, but met
twenty or thirty men, armed like the others, who made
me go back again. Passed Sir Charles IV/organ's park,
towards Newport. I met the people coming back
from Newport, who said the soldiers had been shoot-
ing at them down at Newport, and therefore they turned
back.
Cross-examined by Mr. Thomas—/ was examined
on the previous trial. I swore then that when I went
to Williams's house there were above 100 people there.
I stand to that. I said just now 200. I can't. swear
distinctly to 100. There were guns all throughout from
what I heard, but I saw only one gun when they met.
I swear I saw one gun when they took me in particular,
and I saw many in the dark, but could not tell whether
they were guns or not. I did not see many guns at the
prisoner's door. I did say I saw twoguns there, when
I was examined before on Frost's trial. I now swear
dear
e. In the road by the door
that I said I saw guns ther
would' My
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touch
Ire
eWa(hidened thetha
tphreisonnleorierssaid
there. 1 told that gentleman (Mr. Sergeant Ludlow)
.tCwhoa r t guns.ist s
so just now. When on the hill I asked where we were
going. I was pressed on the pitch of the hill by NV il-
liams. I was coming home from Nantyglo, about three
quarters of a mile from my own house. I had been at
Williams's before. I was paid there once a month. Might
have called on other titnes to have a pint of beer. I never
went them as a Chartist. I have been at a lodge there.
Never signed. Never paid to go in. Did notgo•there
as a Chartist. There were no secrets there. The room
was always open. I have been there morning,
noon,
and night, after I. have done my work. I never gave
my name to be put down as a Chartist at that lodge,
nor directed any one to do so, though many asked me.
I never paid to go in, and never had a card. I never
asked whether I should brine a stick on the Sunday,
nor .any such question. Had no conversations with
Williams the day before about coming, nor any other
day on that subject. Had conversed with him about
general matters. He never asked me to come, neither
did I know of the intended meeting some time before.
It was no secret. Every body knew about it.
Re-examined—The Chartists talked of going to rise.
Did not say on what day or what for: Did not count
the number of people at Williams's door. Gave 100 or
200 as the number to the best of my recollection.
When the prisoner said the soldiers would not touch
them, it was before he spoke in Welsh.
Richard Hawkins sworn on voir dire.
Mr. Thomas objected to the description, because the
address of the witness was stated on the test as of the
same place, in reference to the description of a preceding
witness.
The Court held that this description was sufficient.