The Sun.
London, England, 1847-01-22 00:00:00

THE NUN, LONDON, Fiti 'JAY EVENING, JANUARY D 2, 1647.

SALTPETRE.—Importers of Rough are still willing sellers,
there having been further arrivals, and they submitted to a
reduction on previous rates of 6:1 per cwt; still a good de-
mand prevailed.
Ort.s.—Olive Oil has again been much in request, and
holders manifest firmness, as there is a large consumption
going on, and the stock on the increase. A large business has
been transacted. For Linseed Oil the market is looking
brisker. For forward delivery the operations are upon a
more extended scale at 25s 9d to 26s per cwt. There are
several buyers of Cocoa Nut Oil, and but little is to be had.
TALLOW.—The stock is on the decrease, and the deliveries
are going on largely, although prices are much above those
of this time last season. Russian on the spot has been ex-
tensively dealt in for town and country consumption, and the
rates paid have been fully equal to those of this day week.
There has been a fair business transacted for forward
delivery, and for the last three months of the year,
the rates paid are 45s 6d to 465. Town Tallow has been
much in demand for present delivery, and prices have risen.
Allo'her sorts have been in excellent request, and brought
stiff rates.

BANK OF
(From this Nij
An Account, pursuant to the Act
the Week ending on Saturday,

ENGLAND.
ght's Gazette.)
Ith and Bth of Victoria, cap. 32, for
the IGth day of January, 1847.
'ARTBIENT.

ISSUE DEI

.Votes Issued.• •• .... 27,225,335

Government debt • . 11,015,100
Other securities •• • • 2,984,900
Gold coin and bullion 1 I ,35G,G68
Silver bullion .. •• .. 1.868.G67

£27,225,335

X 27,225,335
M. MARSHALL, Chief Cashier.
1847.

Dated the 21st day of January,

OEPAZTUEN T.

Government securl7

ties (including Dead
Weight Annuity) .. 12,757,326
Other securities •• .. 14,450,7'.1
Notes .. • •• • • ...... 6,545,965
Gold and silver coin • • 723,346

£31,477,348
If. 'MARSHALL, Chief Cashier.
.847.

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deposited in the Private Bill office before six of t
the clock in the evening of any day on which the House
shall sit, and before two of the clock on any day on
which the House shall not sit, and that with every such
memorial two copies thereof be deposited, at the same
time, for the use of the Examiners. That all memorials'
complaining of non-compliance with the standing orders,
in reference to petitions which stand in the " General
List of petitions ' after number 250, be deposited on or
before Saturday, the 6th day of February next.

Agreed to.
THE ADDRESS.—HER MAJESTY'S REPLY.
Lord MARCUS HILL (Comptroller of her Majesty's
Household) appeared at the bar of the House, and, on
being called on by the Speaker, said, that, in obedience
to the commands of the House, the Address agreed to by

the Commons, in answer to the Speech from the Throe.',
had been presented to her Majesty, who was pleased

to return the following most gracious answer :
." I have received with great satisfaction your loyal
and dutiful address, and look with confidence to

your assisting me in my endeavours to preserve
the blessings of peace abroad and at home,
and in forwarding the general happiness of
my people. I feel assured that no exertion will
be wanting on your part to meet my anxious wishes to
relieve my suffering subjects in Ireland, and in many

parts of Scotland."
SUGAR AND MOLASSES IN BREWERIES AND

DISTILLERIES.
Mr. H. DOUGLAS presented a petition from certain
shipowners in Liverpool in favour of the use of sugar
and molasses in breweries and distilleries.
Mr. ORD presented a petition from the borough of
Newcastle-upon-Tyne to the same effect.
DISTRESS IN IRELAND.
Lord CLEMENTS presented a petition from Mohill,
in the country of Leitrim, complaining that the land of
the barony was so exhausted that it was utterly unable
to maintain the population, and prayir.g the aid of the
Government to enable them to emigrate to some other
country where they might be able to maintain them-
selves and families by their labour.
TEN HOURS' BILL.
Lord JOHN MANNERS presented a petition from
Burslem in favour of the Ten Hours Bill.
Mr. EVELYN DENISON presented a petition against
the Poor Removal Bill, complaining of its operation as
injurious to the interests of the poor.
Mr. FERRAND begged to give notice that, unless
the answer of the Chancellor of the Exchequer
to the question of the Hon. Member for Montrose
with regard to the notice he had given with respect to
the Poor-law Commissioners on Thursday next, was
entirely satisfactory, he should move for a select Com-
mittee to inquire into the conduct of the Poor-law Com-
missioners in administering the new poor-law.
Mr.IRICARDO gave notice that, on Thursday next, he
should move for a select committee to inquire into the
navigation laws.—(A laugh.)
Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE moved that the petition of
the Duke of Brunswick be printed with the votes.
Dr. BOWRING (who was very indistinctly heard, in
consequence of the confusion which prevailed in the
House) moved for a return of the state of our trade in
China.
Mr. HUME suggested to his Hon. Friend that, in
moving for a return of the state of trade in China, he
had better move for returns of all the orders and regula-
tions made with respect to that trade. Those documents
had been promised to the House two sessions ago,
but they had not yet been laid upon the table. It was
desirable that they should have the orders and regula-
tions with reference to that trade laid upon the table, as
well as a return of the state itself.
Mr. WM. COLLETT begged to give notice that
he would move the following resolution on Monday
next, " That, in the opinion of this House, there w ere
no public works of greater importance to the future
prosperity of Ireland than railways, and that every fa-
cility for their construction should be given by her Ma •
jesty's Government, provided all proper securities were
obtained for repayment."
ANDOVER UNION COMMITTEE.
Mr. HUME rose to ask the question of which he had
given notice. At the close of last session, on the 25th
August, he placed certain resolutions on the table of the
House ; and, in accordance with them, he asked the
House to take certain measures regarding the Poor-
law Commissioners— (Cries of " Hear, hear,")—as he
believed their continuance in office would be detrimental
to the public service. He wished now to ask the Secre-
tary of State for the Home Department, whether Govern-
ment have taken, or intend to take, any measures re-
specting the conduct of the Poor-law Commissioners, as
set forth in the evidence and resolutions of the Select
Committee on District Asylums, and on the report and
evidence of the Andover Union Committee.
Sir GEORGE GREY said that the subject bad un-
dergone he had no doubt the requisite investigation, but
he must ask the House permission to refuse answering
the question until the statement which his Right Hon.
Friend had promised upon the law of settlement should
have been made.
TRANSPORTATION TO VAN DIEMAN'S
LAND.

Lord MAIION desired to know from the Secretary of
State if there had been any steps taken with reference
to the question of the transportation of convicts to Van
Dieman's Land.
Sir GEORGE GREY said that the house were
award that transportation to Van Dieman's Land had
been suspended for a period of two years. The subject
had occupied the attention of the Government. On the
next week he would be able to lay upon the table of the
house documents relating to the question, which would,
he was sure, satisfy the Noble Lord.
UNION OF THE SEES OF ST. ASAPII AND
BANGOR.
•

Mr. 3. COLLETT said he wished to ask a question
of the First Lord of the Treasury in reference to the
union of the sees of St. Asaph and Bangor. The Bishop
of St. Asaph and Bangor had died, and a new Bishop
had been appointed to the see, instead of a union of
the secs having taken place. Now, the question
which he had to ask was, whether it be the intention of
her Majesty's Government to create an extra bishopric,
by the appointment of a Bishop of Manchester, the sees
of St. Asaph and Bangor not having become united at
1 the death of the late Bishop of St. Asaph, pursuant to
the Act 6 and 7 Will. IV., c. 77.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL—The House would recol•
lect that when the Noble Lord the Member for Shrop-
shire (Lord Clive) had asked last session what course
the Government would take with respect to a Bill
sent down from the House of Lords for uniting
the two sees of St. Asaph and Bangor, w he-
the Government would support the creation
of a Bishop to the see of. Manchester, he (Lord John i
Russell) had said that the subject was one which re-
quired further consideration, and that the Government
was not prepared to give its assent to the Bill In con-
sequence of that assurance the Bill was withdrawn.
The matter bad since undergone the consideration,
and he trusted that he should be able, in the
course of next week, to state the course which the
Government proposed to pursue. He found upon refer
once to the Act of Parliament regulating the bishopric
of Bangor, that the bishop of that see was not to under-
take the duties of the neighbouring see of St. Asaph,
unless he was willing of himself to do so—hitherto he
had declined.
EMIGRATION TO THE MAURITIUS.
Mr. HOPE wished to know whether any alteration
had been made since the period when Lord Stanley was
Secretary of the Colonies with reference to the arrange-
ments for promoting emigration to the Mauritius. He
'was given to understand that if those emigrants
returned from the Mauritius within fire years,
they would be charged for their voyage. He
wished, therefore, to . know whether the ab-
stract of the dispatches which had been published
in the Times was correct, and whether the regulations
to which he referred had been imposed on those per-
sons who had been introduced into that colony, under
the Colonial Secretaryship of Lord Stanley?
Mr. HAWES thanked the Hon. Gentleman for hav-
ing intimated to him that he intended to ask these
questions.—(Hear, hear.) As the dispatches to which
he referred were not then in his possession, he was
unwilling to speak from recollection. He should
be able, in the course of a few days, to lay them
on the table of the House, and they would be
found to furnish all the information on the sub-
ject which the Honourable Gentleman required.
He could state, however, that no ordinance, but simply
the heads of one, had been transmitted to the Govern-
ment of the Mauritius.
Mr. HOPE wished to know whether, previously to
sending out what he did not characterise as an
ordinance, but as an order, of the House, the concur-
rence of the Indian Government had been obtained with
respect to it?
Mr. HAWES thought it right to state that the con-
currence of the Indian Government had not been ob-
tained. They dissented to some parts of the documents.
Mr. HOGG said the Indian authorities were quite
satisfied with the tone and spirit of the dispatch. They
were merely in the light of suggestions for the conside-
ration of the Government of the Mauritius, and it was
understood that they should not come into operation until
they came again under the review of the Home Govern-
ment.
Mr. HUME wished to ask whether it was the inten-
tion of the Government to produce any papers relative
to the branch list?
The Hon. FOX MAULE said he had no objection in
about ten days to do so.
NAVIGATION LAWS.
On the motion for the order of the day,
Mr. MITCHELL said he considered that there should
be an extension of the navigation laws, and that any
ship having proved that she had sailed on the Ist of
September, should be admitted into this country.
No vessel coming from Archangel would come into this
country unless such were the case, for under the present
circumstances no merchant from that port would ship for
this country. Let them take the other ports, and they
would find the same would be the case. He thought
that the Noble Lord before the end of the present session
would have to propose an extension of the navigation laws.
Ho was suite convinced that neither from the Black nor
the White Sea would there be any chance of vessels ar-
riving before the Ist of September, and few would sail
to English ports, unless they had some assurance that
they would be admitted after that date. He would be
glad if the Government would consider the question,
and relax the resolution to some extent.
Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN said that perhaps before
the Chancellor of the Exchequer answered the questions
of the Hon. Member for Bridport, he (Mr. Stafford
O'Brien) might be permitted to put one having some re-
lation to the same subject. By the Act passed last session
the duty was to be remitted in 1849, or only a nominal
duty of Is. per quarter imposed. Now he wished to
know whether the duty was to be altogether rescinded,
and if so, whether the Government intended to take any

steps to ascertain what quantity of :corn would be im-
ported into the country
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCIIEQUita said
that he would answer the last question first. It was the
intention of the Government to suspend all duty on corn
after September, 1849 ; and the Government still pro-
posed to register the quantity introduced into the ports
to-morrow. With regard to the question of his lion.
Friend the Member for Bridport, it was the intention
and effect of the Act, that ships must enter the ports of
1 England before the let of September, and this period
was fixed in order to give time to ships load
ing at the most distant ports to arrive in this
I country. Corn imported from the Black Sea,
' from the mouths of the Danube and Odessa.,
would require only two months to arrive in
' this country, and vessels sailing therefore in June
or July would have ample time to arrive
in England before the period referred to in the Act.
Ilia own impression was that a great quantity of corn
exported from the countries he mentioned would start
in the months of May and June to this country, and all
of which might be fairly expected to arrive in this
country before the Ist of September.
The Corn Bill was then forwarded through its re-
maining stages.
On the motion that the Navigation Bill be read a
second time,
Mr. HUME said that it had been his intention to give
notice that he should move that this Bill should be
a general and immediate repeal of these laws, but,
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he trusted that in that Committee all matters with refer-
ence to them would be settled satisfactory.
Dr. BOWRING wished to ascertain if the Govern•
went had consented to grant that Select Committee?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL, whose reply was inaudible,
was understood to answer in the affirmative.
The Bill was then read a second time.
The House then went into Committee on the Naviga-
tion Bill.
The first clause was read and agreed to.
On the second clause;being real,
Mr. MITCHELL moved that the words "on and after
the Ist of September," should be omitted, and that
the Act should extend to all vessels which should be
proved to have embarked with their cargo on or before
the Ist of August. The amendment having been put,
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that the great object
of Government in proposing the present all in sus-
pension of the navigation laws, was to obtain an early
supply of corn. lie thought if any alteration were to
be made, it ought to be an earlier day ; he could not,
therefore, support the amendment of the Hon. Member
for Bridport.
Dr. BOWRING thought that the suggestion of the
Hon. Member would tend to give eff,ct to the measures
of her Majesty's Government, and he should therefore
support the amendment.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not
wish, at the present moment, to express any general
opinion upon the navigation laws. lie was nos quite sure
whether it would not be better to take an earlier date.
By the next harvest they should get corn in large
quantities, but what they wanted before that
time, was the greatest possible amount of grain,
and he apprehended by the Ist of September,
the day originally named, they should be enabled
to get into this country great quantities of grain.
Sir C. NAPIER said the statement of the Right lion.
Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exehequer was all
very well, but supposing a vessel sailed from Odessa on
the Ist of July, the ordinary passage being two months,
but when it arrived at Gibraltar it encountered an east
westerly gale, and was prevented from reaching this
country till the Ist of September, what was to become
of the owner of the ship and his cargo ?
Sir W. CLAY deprecated the plan of affixing a cer-
tain date for the completion of an uncertain operation.
The owners of vessels, although they took all
reasonable means to ensure their arrival here
within the specified period, might, from the
uncertain period occupied in the voyage, be unable
to arrive here within the specified period. The passage
from the Black Sea occupied two months, and before the
corn produced, for instance, in the extreme parts of
Russia, during the ensuing harvest, could be conveyed
to the shores of the Black Sea for importation, the Ist of
September might have passed by. If they passed such
a provision, they would ultimately have to alter it.
Mr. FOSTER complained that the measure did not
go far enough, and considered that the laws
relating to tho importation of sugar and mo-
lasses, ought to have been suspended as well
as the laws relating to the importation of corn.
The Noble Lord had proposed the abrogation of the
penalties for using sugar and molasses in breweries, and,
therefore, the course he (Mr. Foster) proposed
seemed one which ought to have been adopted, in
order to benefit another portion of the people.
He certainly, therefore, thought that the same principles
which had induced the Government to suspend the
navigation laws with respect to corn would apply with
still greater force to sugar, as far as it was now imported.
Mr. HOWARD DOUGLAS would certainly stren-
uously oppose any alteration in the navigation laws,
because he thought that these laws were among the
wisest of this country, and they should not be interfered
with, but strictly preserved.
Mr. WM. BROWN said the consequence would be
that if vessels were allowed to arrive here after the
Ist of September, that there would be no security
against deception, and he hoped that the Government
would not consent to make laws to deprive them of the
advantages which they at present enjoyed under certain
regulations.
Mr. BARING said, gentlemen were not aware that in
all these cases there was a discretionary power vested
in the Treasury, and if it could be fairly proved to them
that to open the ports would be an advantage, they
would certainly exercise that discretionary power.
Mr. WILLIAMS said that the Chancellor of the
Exchequer seemed to think that by limiting the suspen-
sion of the laws till September it would force foreign
countries to send forward their supplies. He might rest
assured, however, that all available stores would be sent
here without delay. The whole difficulty appeared to him
to be the want of shipping. He believed that all vessels were
employed, and under these circumstances he considered
that every facility should be given that vessels might
come iu with the greatest possible expedition. He was
of opinion, therefore, that this would be best secured
by a further extension of the period of suspension.
Mr. LIDDELL would offer no opposition to the mea-
sures of the Government. He thought they were about
to pursue a course which was calculatsd to meet the
emergency of the times, and for that reason they should
receive his support. He would not take so discursive a
view of the question as the Honourable Member
for Liverpool had, and regard the measure
as a wedge by which it was intended to
support. The Hon. Member for the Pot-
to break away the navigation laws. He would look at
intimated that he intended to bring the
it as a measure intended to meet the distress which pre-
vailed throuh the country, and for this reason would
gteirvieesit
navigation-laws under the consideration of the House.
If so, he hoped that timely notice of his intention would be
hhaids
inm
given to those interested in them, for he believed that
their shipping was the bulwark of the country, and their
commercial marine the source of their great prosperity.
He had reason to believe that the opinions of those who
occupied the chief positiont among the shipping interests
were quite oppose the
dto measures
of the Government
for the repeal ot these navigation-laws.
Sir HOWARD DOUGLAS, who rose with Mr. Dun-
combe, simply wisaed t explain that he was not o-
posed to the atspension,o but only to the repeal of the
laws.
Mr. T. S.
se
believed that the object of
the House at present was not to be consider the advi-
sabilit or non- advisability of retaining the Navi-
gationy Laws, but whether they were to give effect
to the measures which Government had proposed.
The question was now whether they should maintain
these laws inviolate, or whether support the proposition,
which the Government had made. An Hon. Friend had
moved an amendment, and the present Chancellor of the
Exchequer and a late Chancellor of the Exchequer had
both given their opinions upon the measure. For his
own part he believed that the measure would not be
complete without the amendment of his Hon. Friend.
Some time had been
proposed for the conclusion
of the suspension, but they had
be no authority for
supposing that it would notopposed. The
Ist of September had been proposed as the proper time,
h t
but, on whose authority, or for w a reason, was not
stated either by the Gentlemenoor seconder. of the proposi-
tion. If either of the behind him, or those
who sat on the opposto side, a they
ve an assurance that
i
would not oppose the progp°sition then the
House
would understand the position in which it was placed.
This same individual advised Ministers that corn
must go down, and yet i n
Now,spite o f this ad-
vice it actually did go up. who Was that
individual. The Committee had heard the opinion of
two gentlemen connected with the mercantile and ship-
ping interest in that HO •
use and he was inclined
to place confidence in that opinion, because he had
heard no reason founded in common sense
senae or justice
why it should be objected to.—
(Hear,
Lord JOIIN RUSSELL was understood to say that
should the contemplated contingency embraced by the
amendment arise before the Ist of September, the mea-
sures would be prepared to meet it. This would show
that Ministers desired to do their best under the circum-
stances. He could not venture to go further in his
promise.
Lord G. BENTINCIC was not disposed to press the
amendment, because he was quite sure the Government
would do what was right. In his opinion it mattered
little whether the navigation laws were expended at this
period or not. He thought an erronious impression had
got abroad, tnat they had lost opportunities of importing
considerable quantities of corn from the United States of
America from the existence of the navigation laws and the
4s. duty, and that in this respect France had recently
had considerably the advantage over England. Now
this impression was certainly not borne out by the im-
portation returns of the United States of America from
the Ist of Sept. last till the 22d of Dec. The returns re-
lated to the ports of New York, New Orleans and Bos •
ton. Now the importations of corn from these ports to
France during the period ho had named were 65,000
quarters of every description, while those of Great
Britain and Ireland amounted to no less than
526,000 quarters. He thought from that state-
ment the House and the country would see
that Ministers had committed no great crime against
the people of Ireland in not having exhibited
greater haste to suspend these laws.—(Hear, hear.)
lie believed neither the navigation nor the corn laws
had anything to do with the exports of grain to France and
Great Britain. Respecting the supply of corn for France
from Odessa, a very high authority among the political
economists, the Economist newspaper said great ad-
vantages had been bestowed on France through
the operation of the navigation laws ; and that no less
than fifteen ships belonging to foreign nations, princi-

Filly Neapolitan and Greek, were loading there
with cargoes of corn for Marseilles. The infor-
mation of the Economist on this subject, ho
believed to he incorrect, as it appeared the
names of some of the ships which were given,
were the Ila.rheck, the Hydriot, the Cleope, the Newton,
the Maria Theresa, and the Fire Fly ; and the last in
the list was the Dicky Sand—(Laughter)—names that
would indicate the vessels were more likely load-
ing for England than France.— (Cries of " Hear, hear.")
If he might be alhwed to throw out a suggestion to the
Noble Lord, it was to extend the same principle to
British as to foreign vessels, as by this short Act British
ships would be left under a disadvantage, being
obliged to have three-fourths of their crew
British sailors. There were other restrictions that
should be removed. British shipowners complained
that, in competing with foreign shipowners, they were
obliged to take a number of apprentices. He would
suggest to his Noble Friend to take these matters into his
serious consideration, to place British shipowners on an
equal footing with foreign shipowners, and to suspend
all laws that operated to produce a difference as far
it was possible for him to do so.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. DUNCAN considered that it would be impos-
sible that any vessel loading in the Black Sea in June
or July could reach this country in time to avoid the
infraction of the law; and merchants and shippers,
knowing the risk, would not adventure their capital.
Mr. MOFFATT thought that no harm would result
from the following out the suggestion of the Hon.
Member for Bridport.
Mr. EWA Wl` disclaimed the doctrime propounded
by the Hon. Member for Beth, that they should leave
the matter in the hands of the Government. Some means
should be adopted to allow the entrance of ships which
had taken in their cargoes before a certain fixed period.