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London, England, 1841-03-31 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS, MAacu 30.

The SPEAKER took ihe Chair at the usual hour.
The /kraal Fisheries Bill v.a: read a third time, and

passed.
ne Ardrossan Harbour Bill was read a second time.
Mr. GROTE moved that it le an instruction to the
Committee of Selection to appsilt the Committee on Bur-
gett's Naturalization Bill for 'I hut sday the Ist day i f
April neat, and giving nctice the eof at the Private Bill
Office on Wednesday tl:e 31st of March.—Agreed to.
Mr. BYNG presented a petition from K.rigsland-road,
praying that the W. tcrloo and other bridges he opened.
The Deanbcad Retrrvar Bill was read a second time.
Bogdan's Naturalization 13.11 was le Al a third time, and
t.a,sed.
The Ilminster Roads Bill was read a third time, and
passel

WALSALL ELECTION.
Lord ELIOT, as Chairman of the Walsall Election
Committee, appeared at V.e bar of t',c House with the
Report of the Corami•tec. The Report stated that
►lr. T. Gladstone was day ele,ted to sit LI
Par:i :ment for the borough of ‘Valsail, and that neitl cr
toe petition agsiost the return nor th-a opposition to it
was fr:volous or vex%fous. The Committee farther
.tared thut very consiee able treating existed both
prey ous to and during the election, but by reason f ihe
dcubtrul n.turc of t,e vide2c.-, they were unable to
connect it with the sititag MAnber or his agent.
Mr. DUNCO M BE presented a petition from the ever-
:revs and parishioners cf Sheprrtar, i Middltsex, cos-
, laioing of tie operation of tic te a Poor-law Att.
Getier,l LYGON presnted a petiiim from Wolver-
hampton, proJing for inerrated church accommodation.
Mr. ESTCOURT presented pe i ions from Warwick-
Wiltshire, and otter places, to the same erect.
Mr. BAINES prete.,t:d a petition from 900 Roman
Cettiolics cf the Borough of Leeds. pta)ing that paupers
,f Viat persuasion in the workhouses night receive spiri-
ual relief from cicrg) men of their own religious per-

i 3r.
Mr. MARK PHILIPS prereited a peti.iin from the
Corp, ration of Ma tcitester, rri)ing thrt the present
prkteetive duties might be done away with. Also a pe.i-
ion fr. m the Society of Rational Relic i u fists of Manehcs-
, r, praying ftr ao ir.qui'y into their d critic?.
ROLLES TON presented a pcti ito from a
place in NoWni.,h3m,lt.re in favour of Curch Extension.
Mr. AINSWORTH presentol a petition horn &lg.
worth, in Lancashire, against certain Causes in the Poor-
aw B 11; also a },etition from the &Atm and Lancaster
Railway Company, against the Railways' Regulation B 11.
Mr. T. PARKER presented a petition from the North
Union Railway Company to the same effect
Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from the
prtie,sion of Bditt.l praying that a me&c I
1 rector might he appointed Ly a rex rJvision in the Pocr-
sty Bill, whose duty it would he to grant relief to the

sick poor in uorkhouses.
Mr. FOX MAULE presented t everal petitions from
~laces in Seotlitid, pravirg for the abolition of Church [ a-
er.onsg ; also a petition from some place in Scotland agsinit
earrying‘the mails by railway on ills Sabbath.
CANTERBURY ELECTION PETITION.
The fdloe log Members were sworn at the tall a Com-
, item to try the merits of the petition cornpl-i eng of an un-
due re:urn tor the City of Canterbury. Tie Hoe. Robert
Clive, Cha'rman; Edwari Buller, Esq., J. W. Hogg,
Esq , W. J Blake, Esq., J. J. Hope Johnstone, E•q., W.
W. Ludlow B•u;.,en Esq., and Patrick Chalmers, E,q.
Mr. W. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from some
place in Yorkshire, in favour cf. Church Extension.
Lord N 0 RRE Y S presented a petition from some place
in Oxfordshire, in favour cf Church Extension.
Mr. BARNARD [resented a petition from Greenwich,
gainst the New Poor-law.
Lord CA ST LER EAG II presente 1 petitions from va-
,icus places in the county ef Down, praying for the aboli•
tion of Church Patronage in Sestland.
Si • E. SUG DEN presented a [ etition from Mr. Plise,
a soiici or, praying for the abaleisn of the personal ser-
vice of process in Ireland.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL presented a petition from
the county of Kerry, against Lord Stanley's 1311.
Mr. HU ME presented a petition signed by figs-five pri-
soners in the Queen's Bench, comul ,ining that the Act for
etc abolition ut, imprisonment for eat had foiled in ac-
complishing the objects of its promoters, and praying
some measure might be introduced for the more effectually
carrying out the abolition of imprisonment for echt ;
also a petition from the hawkers of Durl:a'n, praying
for the abolition of the duty on hawkers' licenses,
also a petition from a place in the county of Galway, in
favour of Lord I‘l,,rpeth'e Registration Bill ; also a petition
from King's Lynn, ie favour of tl e County Courts' Bill ;
also a petition from Shepherd'E-plac Weitminsttr, praying
for an ea tension of the Suffrage ; a petition from Wert-
minste , pearl g f r the releate of Mr. Feargus O'Connor ;
also, a peti inn from the accountant of the Royal
Borough of Dunfermline, praying for the reduction of
the import duties ; also a prtitk:n from Dundee, praying
fur free trade in raw mate,ials.
Mr. W A K LE Y pro.ented a p:tition from Jackson Brielke,
Merthyr-Tydvill, praying for the repeal of the Poor.laws,
and that the House would not in future legislate
on the subject until the people acre better repre,ented ;
also a petition, signed by 177 persons, from Large, in
Ayrshire, in favour of Robert Peddie, a Chartist pri-
soner. The pet timers stated that the rriioner bad been
very active in suppressing a tumult in this town during
Frost's imprisonment, and prayed irquiry iste his case;
also a peti.i in from Finsbury to the same effect.
Mr. F. MAULE said that the ca'e rf Peddie had b. en
brought under the notice of the Home Office by the MAI.
Member fsr Kilkenny, but the Government having ioves-
fgated the case, did not think it was one which they could
properly recommend for her Majesty's clemency.
Lord S A NDON pre creed a [eition from Liverpool,
praying for inquiry into the state of the colony of Neel-
feundlanO.
Mr. W. GLADSTONE presented a petition cplain-
ing of the conduct of a messenger of the Legisleomive
after
sembly of Newfoundland (as we understood),
having. been twice convicted of an assault, iva
swho still ce-
tinned in his office. The pe iLioners prayed for inquiryn
into the state of the colony.
Mr. H 0 DG ES presented two petitions from places in
Kent against the working of tl c New
.Poofr-law.
Lord M 0 RPET Id presented a Chaplains
pelition r?m Hudders-
field, complaining of the manner of appointing
under the New Poor-!aw.
Lord MOR PE CH presented a from Ovendor,
the West Riding of Yorkshire, also
of certain
ennactments in the New Poor-law ; also a petition from tie
ratepayers of se-, eral arishci in the city of Dahlia praying
the House to adopt the Poor-lary valcaion as the basis for
levying the municipal tales; also from the medical prac-
titioners of Ireland, against the Bill for regulating Medi-
cal Charities; also a petition from a minister, elders, and
congregation in Scotland, paying the. House to adopt
measures to secure the speedy and entire abolition of ps..
tronage in the Church of Scotland ; also from Cumber, in
Decry arid Kiralee, against Lord Stanley's Registration
bill, and in favour of that brought ill by himself.
Mr. PACKINGTON presented a peti ion from four
\ large mercantile firms, praying for inquiry into the state
of Newfoundland.
Mr. MUNTZ gave notice that in Coirtrittee on the Me.
d:cal Reform Bill ho would meve that all prescriptions
and labels should be written in English—( A laugh)—
t also that after Easter he would move for leave to bring in

a Bill kr regulating the safety-valves of boilers in steam-

teasels,
Sir E. SUG DEN gave notice that in Committee on the
Poer-law Amendment Act, he should move that the 19th

cl tuie be struck out.
An HON. MEMBER said he wished to put a question to
the I-I.r. Gerthman the 'Secretary for the Treasury,
In the L'oinburgh Advertiser of the 25th of March an
neve;t'sement Lad appeared pith respect to the collec-
tion e.f Land and Assessed Taxes in Peebles and Selkirk.
The ae.v.2.rri,crnert stated that the collector had
received a communication from the Comptroller-

General of Scotland, stating that the public ser—
fce tequ'red a much earlier collection of those taxes
than had been made heretofore, and the collector reminded
all petsans that the same would become due on the 25th
current, and requested early payment. He wished to
know whether that advertisement emanated from the Trea-

sury.
Mr. GORDON said that be believed that the Com-
missioners had received no special directions. The Comp-
trollrr at Edinburgh usually acted on his own discretion
when he found a paricular county in arrear.
THE BUDGET.
Sir R. PEEL brwed to ask the Right Hon. Gentle-
man opposite at Ghat period he would make his financial

statement.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re
plied thc,t i.e would do :o on the 30.11 of April.
Mr. HUME begged to a.F.lc the Chancellor of the Ex.
chequer whether it was true, as had bcen stated, that her
Go;ern:nent had entered into an agreement by
"'lid, the mails were carried six days in the week by rail-

way, a:•d on Sunday by coach. -
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER re-
plicd !hat such an arangcmcat had been adopted.
Mr. HUME then moved for copies of the correspond-
ence which hod tiken place on the subject.
Sir R. PEEL brgged to azk the Right Hon. Gentle-
man, the President of the Board of Trade, whether he
persist d in sal ing the assent of the House to his Bill
with rssFect to the Colonies on Monday next ? as the
Chancellor of the Exchequer bad fixed an early day after
the recess far bringing forward his financial statement, be
thought it would he as well to postpone tho measure.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that as his measure in no
respect affected British revenue, but solely and exclu-
svely ree:red to duties levied in the colonies,
be could see no necessity whatever for postponing it. Ile
thought tt ae y desiralle that the opinion of the House
should be taken on so important a subject as early as pos-

sible.
Sir R. PEEL said, although it might not be a finan-
cial measure, still it was intimately connected with the
finances, and they should not be called upon to give an
°phial upon any single part of a lsrge measure:
Mr. LABOUCHERE said as a matter of course he
'could not be expected to know what his Right Hon.
Friend might intend to de. Bu► he thought the measures
we; e perfe tlydistine., and as a separate measure he thought
tho West Inu.a Diu R gulation all was perfectly dr-

tensible.
Colonel SAL WE Y, seeing the Noble Secretary for the
Colonies io his place, vished to ask him whether it was his
inti ntion to proceed with the Britery Prevention Bill dur-
ing the Fr.•seot Session ?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL had not introduced that Bill
yet If he proposed to do so, he would give proper notice.
Mr. BERRIES wiihed to put a question to the Right
Hoe. Chancellor of the Exchequer, of which he had net
brew able to g've notice; therefore, he must Le content
with such an answer as Le might be able to give him.,
When the new Postage Act =IC into operation, the pub-
lic had been de?iived of a considerable time in the selvan-
ttge they enjoyed of putting in and receiving their It t' err.
It was a.leged that upon the immediate establiihment of a
new system the difficulties were so great as to
render it necessary for the 13,st-office to close
earlier in order to give time fer sorting. the in-
creased number cf letters, but at the same time it was
underst ,cd that very shortly the public would be put in
their old position with regard to time. What he wanted
to know was whether the Right Hoe. Gentleman could
inform the House how soon the present system was to cease.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER bad
hopei before tl at to have been ahle.to inform the House
that they were about to return to the old system, but from
the greet iresstra caused by the increased correspondence
and it e estahlishment cf the money-order office, it hid yet
IY-ea found impacicable ; hut he trustei the time was not
far dis-ant when that pres,nre would cease and thny might
return to the old system.
Mr. E. TENNENT said, as he found from the state
of business for to-morrow he wouli be unable to proceed
with the Copyright of Designs Bi,l, Ire would pos;pone its
further consideration till the 21st of April.—Postponed
accerdingiv.
COLONY OF NEWFOUNDLAND.
Mr. PAKINGTON then rose, pursuant to notice, toy
move that a Select Committee be appointel to inquire into
the state of the colony if Newfoundland. The Her.
Gentleman said that he rose from a strong sense of the
delicacy and difficulty of the duty which be had
to perform, and if be had consulted only his own per-
sonal feelings on the subject, he shottld gladly have
adopted the suggestion made on a former occasion by
the Noble Lord (Lord John Russell) and have in-
troduced a motion for a Committee of Inquiry into
the affairs of the colony of Newfoundland without
one word of comment. He could assure the Noble Lord
he had no de.ire whatev.r to inteifere with the progress
of the Poc7-'etw Amendment Bill, in the get.eral

piine;ples of IA Lich he cr.frely concurred. v Nei-
ther hid he my desire to lead to cry extended
gel) tte, much less to anything like angry tr acri-
monious dicustion. He had no desire to preju-

dice the iqrestigation upon tvlicb they were
abt,ut to emir into Committee, for which be
was itbLut t ) atcve, by anything life an ex parte sta.c-
met.t, and, on the other hand, Lc hop d the 'louse would
allow something for the fet Hags m hich he had, for the affairs
of the colony at Newfoundland had Leitr before, he bo-
ll, ved, teen Submitted to the House of Commons, al-
though the resrctablc mercantile and wealthy classes of that
colony had ft r tl.tee or four consecutive yt ars been pour-
ing I c itiocs into both Hopes of Pm liament, ut the foct of
ti.e To' one, anti into the Colonial office, fcr the redress of
grit vsnce' which they cmpha,i,:ally tt r.t ci insufferable
and lie was tht:raore, about tt move for a

Committee of Inquiry into the whole state of
this important del. e idee.ey of tt.e British cm} i.e,
and notwilbstanding the suggestion i f the Nob!e Lir!,
ha should stile as hi iefly and temperately es
he could, but at the tame time as c!e:rly and di:-
tm( t'y, tie case on which he thought it right to de-
mand from Parliament this ina estigation —( Hear, hear.)
He could not conceal from the Housa that there war mixed
with this question that which was notorious to every one
who had studied the state of tie colons, that vrlaclo
stood reCJlded in aeir pi ti.ions, and which he believed had
been avowed in fpacches made in the e thee- House of Par-
liarneto—a large pinion of the rel'gious disaeasion and
animosity which uncap; ily preveited in oti or p: its
of the empire, end which, wherever i.. cocked, could
not be too Ceeply deprecated or deplored.—(Hear.)
Ile could a;saie the House he did not intend to enter
upon ti is pesitioa of the subject, or to say one word which
could pos ibly tend to crimina e any intivldual, and he
ehou'd eat( t i Ito the Come, ittee for which be was about to
move without any feeling of hostility to any class or any in-
dividual. If the allegations to which he referred should he•
come the subj• ct of inquiry in that Committee, he could
oily say he !la uld rejoi e as much as any man could do if
they turned out to be evnerated, or altogether unfounded.
P.e would, ei h these few explanations, t .rn to that which
would be t' e I r'ncipal question for the Cornmite, vz.,
wt mbar the present Constitution of the colony of New-
foundland was such as could conduce to its interests or
pros, eritr. la the year 1832, when Lord Grey was at
the head -of the Administration of this country, an Act was
a Deal Legislature to tie Colony. Judge
legtrom result!, and the experience of the last
hie, hoe eve i ,
passes!
kin i on
ri ,e sears Ile (Mr. Pil et ) cotifesaed that that
g ate
Constitution appeared to him to have feea prematurely
given. He would net undertake to say how far it would
be advisable i i any case to grant to a small community is
presertitive government ; hut he felt confident that
which the gradations of society wire not settled a re-
ties Fedi tr circumstances of Newfoundland were such as
rende-ed it singularly inexpedient to confer on them such
a boon. The population of the colony consisted of about
75,000 or 80,000 persons, and there were divided almost
equally into Roman Catholics and Protestant.. •.A atilt
more remarkatle circumstance was, that from the nature of
the climate it was almost impossible to carry on any agri-
cultural business in the country; and a great portion of
-them were, ia consequence, obliged to subsist by
the fishing trade. The numb( r of respectable me_l.
r..
s
chants and shopkeepers, therefore, was very
ma 1
In order to create 'a suffic7.ently numerous constit
uency
flanchise eat g anted to
under such circumstances the
riad cf one year, while
e‘ cry occupier of a home ft:).
sirsortleePaepac of two years was
I*e occupier of a tenement
he Repre.entLtive Ass:embly.
• anti led to be elected to.
t atwe
of the conslizueney of
That ' was Y e democratic n
however, wiqh to make an
Newfoundland. He di 1 not,~
• • la tiovernment of the time on
I charge against the Bre iws
are that such a measure as had
that account, as
be
was aware
be those merchatts and other
bean paced was callel
the colony who now complained of
re2pectable particsh.
T first Assembly ere steal under the
Its
anteoperaiom
I. Constitution consis;ed far the most Fart
oerti f teat .
and there had been
~ c.able partier,
of "•P " • toa the manner in which they bad 'condue•ed
for complamus.ness ;
but even in that Assembly' a re had
the public.b i
indications that augured • 'e
been cereal
.most unfavourably
fur the ncf new
operatic the Constitution. A Triennial
having been passed by the first
Act h Assembly, a second
Assembly was elected iii April 1836. It had been alleged
that great party violence bad been exhibited at the 6iee-
Lions on that occasion, that great tutniiiis had'been ex-
cited, and that, in cous;quence several persons of low sta-
tion bad been returned members of that, Assembly.
One of the members of that Assembly was a poor
fisherman, anather vial a domestic servant, and he had
been assured by a gentlem'an connected with the colony,
Who had furnished him with information on the subject,
that he had actually bean applied to by one cf the Members
rf the Assembly of Newfoundland to.take his (the Mem-
ber'r) thughter into his service in the Capacity
,of nursery-
maid. This miniature House of commons consisted only
cf 15 Members, and it would pot be a matter of sur-
prise that such an assembly, so constituted, should not
their administration of the
give gearral satisfaction by
ctable Flasses
lecamc alarmed,
colony. Tiae more mix
series of al egations which
and he would shortly state
conducta of that Assembly. It
\ had been made against the
ehad exercised greet persecution
was complained that they .
..
and tyranny--that they had been guilty of maleadrnints-
ii ere particularly that there had been a
tration generar,,m ~.
grass misapplication or the finances. Ho would merely
! remind the House of . ore of the grossest acts of tyranny
''
.1,, wider preter.ea of a breach of privilege, had been.
perpetratedw" by that Assembly. There could be no doubt
£s to the eircuniatauce to which he referred, it bad become
' almost matter of history. A gentleman of the medical
profession had a quarrel with a Member of'tbe House of
Assembly on a matter totally unconnected with anything
relating to the Assembly. The Members of the Assembly
complaiiied of the conduct of this" medical gentleman,
as a breach cf privilege, and by order of the Assembly be
was taken into custody. He applied for a writ of habeas

EN IN G- EDITION

carpus, and was relessed by the Judge. The House of
Assembly dragged the Judge who had released him from
the Bench of Justice, and both the Judge who had issued
and the Sheriff who had executed the writ of haheas
CC"' CM., were imprisoned by tho House of Assembly, under
the pretence cf a breach of privilege; and, in order to
release them, the Gievernor of the colony was obliged to
prorogue the Parliament. They had heard a great deal
cf breech of privilege last Session, but he thought that
even the lion. and Learned Member for Newark him-
self (the Solicitor-General) would admit that was carry-
ing the doctrine of breach c f privilege to an unjustifiable
extent. An accusation had also been made against the
Cidef Justice of the Mend, Mr. Bolton. The raising of
t'-at person, who was in a high legal situation, to a politi-
cal office in the Legislative Council, was certainly an im-
prudent step. His political views were obnoxious to a
certain party, and although he was honourably acquitted of
ell the charges that were made against him, yet
it was thought better that ho should bo deprived
of his employment. Another grave charge made against
the House of Assembly was that of misapplication and
squandering of the public money. It unfortunately hap-
Fened in :Newfoundland that every official person, Mag,ise
nrates, and constables, were sent to the House of Assem-
bly for their salaries, and it was alleged that the House of
Assembly in dispensing their favours had regard to the
political conduct cf the parties—that they rewarded their
friends, and depressed their foes. Ho held in his hand a
petition sent over by the Chamber of Commerce—a body
representing the respectable mercantile classes, and con-
sisting of parties of all political denominations, and they
earnestly peeeel fur relief. Ha found that the petition
contained allegations of the manner in which the Legisla-
tive Council had tempered with the colonial revenue.
Now, if these cases of diesetisfaetion had arisen in London
—if there were any trutt in these allegations—if it were
true that the ends of justice bad been frustrated by the
conduct of the Assembly, and their duties, as legislators,
.prostituted for party purposes, it could not be matter
of surprise that such strong remonstrances and peti-
tions should be sent to the Legislature at home.
—( Hear.) These petitions, in consequence of some
accident, svere not the subject of discussion in that House ;
but in the other House, in the Session of 1839, they had
occasioned some discussion, and the Noble Marquis then
at the head or the Colonial Department had promised
that a Commissioner should be sent out to the colony, di-
recting him to make special inquiry into the truth of the
allegations. Before the close of the Session of 1839 the
Noble Marquis stated that the answer of the Governor to
the despatches of the Government at home had been re-
ceived, and it stated that the allegations in the petition
here very much exaggerated. It bad not been thought
advisable he prod fir the report of the Governor; but he
must say that when it was alleged that the statements in
the petition were exaggerated, and when there was no
:means cf ascertaining whether the opinion of the Governor
was right or wrong, the subject was one which ought toform
the subject of Parliarreatery investigation. He regretted
that no Hon. Member bad thought it necessary to press for
such an investigation at the thee the report of tho Go-.
vesner was received. He was sorry to say that since then
colony had been in a very disturbed state. In the spring
of 1840 the Governor hat thought it right, and he (Mr.
Pekington) did not know how tar he was justified in so
doing, to raise from the office of treasury to a seat ie the
Council a man rest ectable in his station of life most un-
deehtedly, but conspicuous for his strong political feelings.
la consequence of the vacancy occasioned thereby, an elec-
tion took place for the town of St. John in the course of
last summer, and that occasioned anether violent out-
break of political excitement. The election was only
carried ou by the bayonets of the soldiers, so
great was the rioting and outrage that took place.
In Deem*, es last there was another election, when the
vilest serious riots and disturbances took niece. A Ma-
. istratc in the execution cf his duty was violently as-
sailed, and a greet number of other persons either lost
their lives or were scriou,ly injured; several houses were
Lloapulled done. fie was sorry to add, that from the
petition, which was that evening presented from the
-Cherishes of Coma erne r.f New f.uneland, it sppeared that
the Legisistive Asseml ly of that colony was not free front
suspicion of being cognizant cf that violent misconduct on
the pert of (means individuals. Bills of indictment were
wending against those individuals, and, notwithstanding that
some of tire members of the Legislative Assembly Came
forward as se, ctice for their appearance, and still reneieed
them in the service of the Assembly. Another charge
was made against the Assembly for interfering in the
case of a person indicted for an outrage committed on a
young person whose ears bad been cut off. The Magis-
t: atc's caused an inquiry to be made into the matter, and'
suspicion fell on the door-keeper of tic House of Assem-
bly ; but that Assembly summered the Magistrates before
them, and caused an end to be put to the psoceedings. He'
would call the atteintion of the House to the strongest as-
gurreet of all thst coup be adv ;need in favour cf the
:sews he was advemirgs—th o speech of the Governor of
se Colony cn opening the present &lesion cf the Legis-
istive Assembly. In that speech the Governor directed
the notice of the Assembly to the scandalous manner in
which elections were earrelloo, and ti the ferocious con-
duet of the people on those occasions, and pointed out the
necessity which in consequence existed for t`-e um:
Mistime-at cf a law which would tend to secure the
public rr,ace, and tie undisturbed exercise of th!
eke ive fr tnehi,e. The Governor rho stated that be was
aeximis to press upon she s,t,:nti on of the Assembly the
.expeoitncy of rendering the system adopted at elections
as year a; possible to that of the mother country. Also
Volt from t' e circumstance of the franchise -wing obliged
to bo ext.:c sed und, r the protection of bayonets, and
from the vio'elce.gererally exhibiLd on such occasions.
he feared that ttie inference vsculi he justly drawn thst
the island was unfit to possess a Legislative institution,
ttnd that tivit ancient appanage of the British Crown
•tva3 not duly prepared for watchis g over its own affairs by
Jr, C 41,14 of a general Assembly. It appeared that the
!hleuse i f Assembly was en t satisfiel wish the conduct of
also Gore net-, in sending an arrne I rrhitary force to
reabonmere, for they demanded documents from him ie
hestifeition of his cendeer. The ansn er of the Governor
the demand was the most singular document that had
sae r been placed neon record—in it he refused any deice-
es cats iii justifieai in of his conduct, and he /eelare 1
tacit if there were any rerewal of the disgraceful riots at
elections, he would not unee take again the responsibility
i3sLi ig ss.its for the eleci f members for a new
eassehbry, but would rercr the whole matter to the Home
tt3avernmetit, and rct according to such orders as he
entght race ye. I: appealed to him, that if the Governor
saural i s necessary to use such la-guage, he was per-
tsr tly just fied in the course Wtiota he had pursued. The
,tzterocats be ial laid beftr,t time House were made ty
rt:gpectable t antics, and the language used by the Governor
rave in a cla•lraeter of truth. He might be asked whether
seggestmg the iaquiry, he was prepat el to suggest-any
remedy for the theta complaire I of, whether he would advo-
net

the rcpc.a! or atm g..t on of the Comtitution
• Newfound t::tl. He wou.ll et.ter the Como ilce he
• free from any prejudice or pledge ; divinedy
Fny epir.ion on the eubjet t in (nee: that he might
to form that npici:)a whizh the evidene.: might lead
•hf to a,.lopt. He was fully prepared tr admit that it was
• eery ditf,reet ,hing to withhold the gra .t of a represen-
-t Gov,,rnment, and to take away from the colony the
PAco*:!ges 0l a free Consti utioe. Neti ilk could juit:fy
step hut the stronveit reeesity, nor unless they
it impossible to create ma erials for a better A.stem-
biv, for the formation of R better constituency, could
ti,e)...atti-t-iipt such a thing; but were that found impossible,
tan.h.o hopre, the Gov.:rnrnent would he prerared to take
that cow, c ; however, it could oily be when no othrr
rerwiy cetli I c adopted. He would rot furber intrude
th 110,:.5e. He had, as far as possible, avoided MP.

, • .
!e:og p.rso:,,,t charges. Ha bad co! filed himself to a
,itat.cm, nt cf asp appointment of a Commit e, and upon
",:ch h., core •ived it would appear to the House of Corr.-
moos ant th) country that the inquiry which he sought
e,,,
I not longer, either with prulenee or wi:h •u,t't e be
~ithhell. (),- t'.ese grounds he -begoed to movej. the 'ap-
pointment c.t. FL Committee.SeleeL '
Lord JOHN RUSSELL sad he had already stated
tip it was not his I, teraiofonr to oppose the motion of the
fl-nourable Member
int t the state et the a
colony Committee to inquire
Teickit•g, hotvcver, that tle New foundl and.
i 1; owfhich had ari:rn
Nrould n,:t be allowed to romaicAv
of rernori ig them in the existing e Constitution, he had
there era; any power
tyt_rything in his
recommended the Governor to ee,
• r to ensure iln hater working of
th 'x `, , ,that C.ilstitut*
and no had stated to him at the same
) would th.e.ne
time, that if be
Gilud in this attempt, be (Lord J. Riasell
consider it his duty to apply to Parliament for a remedy,
As there were many circuantances connected with the JD-.
luny which deserved investigation, be should not have felt
himself justified in opposing a motion for inquiry ; hut be
vished it clearly to be understood, that although he diet
not oppose the motion, and e.-aa not prepared to state what
measures he should think it his duty to propose, those mea-
sures would"be founded upon the course which the Legis-
lature of Newfoundland had pursued, and upon the view
which her Majesty's Government took cf that course,
sthattver mi.-t be the opinion of the Hon. Gentleman or
the -
Committee6'' upon that subject. As it was impossible
that Members should be fully informed on all the tran-
iictions ia each of the colonies connected with this country,
it was very c'esirable that there should be a certain number
Uf, the Nl,mbers of that House conversant with
tile facts upon which the House were called upon
to legislate. He could not agree to the appointment
',4 this Committee - without stating that he dio-
aired, from several' of the general opinions which
}lad been expressed by the Right Hon. Gentleman.
'.1... lea. Centicmas considered that the granting a con-
stitution to a population of 80,000 persons in New-
foundland was premature. he (Lord J. Russell)
cis of a different opinion. Nowabout eta ing his senti-
11. ents as to the franchise hie had been given, as to the
1.---ode of electing Meee-,,ers,
or the qualification required of
them, be should say that he still felt that British sub-
jects in the situation of the inhabitants of Newfoundland
were more likely, to flourish—more likely
atdoveaanrtry on
ofthebier
e„,ncerns for ti eir own benefit and the
empire
at large by having
„a Popular Constitution et
than by
being left without one..--(near, hear.) ,
as much as
He thought that
of the British Crown.la"-
in general it would be advisable to grant
Bible free institutions to the subjects
He thought that they should not suspend these institu-
tions unless on some particular grounds, such as in the
opinion of the Government existed in the ease of Ja-
make, cl:hough they had not obtained the concurrence
Of the House on that occasion, and be would sot then un-
dertake to say whether they were right or wrong in the
matter. It was their belief at the time that free insii-
tltions mi;ht not be fitted for a population just Oman-
pitted from slavery, and that it would be advisable to ap-
point a period of transition. There were various other
eireurnstune .r, such as the hostility between different
"n races,o under which it would be impossible to
IT on hirrnouy in working a free Constitu-
tion. But stilt he rNhoul:l repeat that, in the case of a
colony situated like Newfoundland, it was most eeiirable
to establish free institutionsh as soon as pos.ible.
Go-
vernor cf Newfoundland The
ments in regud tt, the sdmade some very strong state-
ments
. working Gentleman
of the Constitution there, !
which the Hon
odpposite had referred to. I
There were many confidea;ilespatches on the subject, l
which he (Lord J. Russell would not be able to lay be- i
fore the Howe; bat he would read the remarks made by

the Governor of the colony a year and a half ago, when '
giving his opinion on the general working of the Consti-
tution. The Noble Lard then read an extract, which was
to the following effect:—" Although our legislative insti-
tutions have not been worked under favourable circum-
stances, yet 1. cannot agree in tho opinion that they ought
at once to have been abolished in the midst of the conten-
tendons, animosities, and jealousies that would arise. The
colony of Newfoundland has advanced in many important
points since the year 1832, when the Colonial Assembly
was first established. This is manifest in the light-houses,
roads, bridges, schools, &c., now in progress." So much
for the benefits derived from the system. Now the cases
to which the Governor referred, the erection of bridges,
&c., were, in fact, the questions the most interesting and
the most important to a colony situated like Newfound.
land. They might have facts which would seem very
strange according to their notions of representative go-
vernment—they might have votes of the Assembly, or pro-
ceeding of its members, which, accustomed as they were
to the forms of a constitution established for centuries,
might appear very shocking, and such as to induce them
to think it better to have no free constitutions at all.
But he must utterly deny that inference.—(Hear, hear.)
He would rather prefer these evils • than endeavour to
establish again anything like arbitrary government. He
believed that although they might have a much simpler
form of government, yet if they found the people acting
with energy in their own behalf—if they found them im.
proving their public works, and advancing gradually in
prosperity, it was better to endeavour to amend that Con-
stitution if they could, but by no means to abolish a re-
presentative constitution as inimical to these ends—(Hear,
hear)—and he should much doubt the attachment of a
House of Commons to a representative constitution,
which, without very strong grounds, should assent to any
such proposition.—( Cheers, and laughter.) He knew
not whether it was intended to sneer at the proceedings
proposed by the Government some years ago, with regard
to the Constitution of Jamaica—(Laughter)—but that was
a case which seemed to him to be an exception to all
rules of this kind.—( Laughter.) The Assembly did not
represent the people ; it had never pretended to
represent the people, but it represented a small
minority called the people, who were free, and not a
vast majority who were slaves ; and the Parliament of this
country having declared that those slaves should be free,
there was great danger' of its being impossible to combine
these two elements of a free constitution, without some
suspension of the whole constitution, and every thing that
1 took place tended to increase the doubt. But even with
respect to this subject, he was by no means prepared to say
that they (the Government) were entirely right in their
proposal, because be certainly must admit that while ho
thought it necessary to propose some measure upon the
subject, yet he bad since seen, in the conduct of the Re-
preaentative Assembly of Jamaica, a great desire to com-
bine the a,ivantages of representative government, with the
privileges of that class to which they were supposed to be
adverse; and he was, therefore, as far from being dis-
posed to insist that the Government were right, as that
their adverra.iss were wrong—( Hear, Lear)—but, on the
contrary, that example induced him to be more reluctant
in taking any steps towards adopting a similar measure.—
(Hear.) Ho knew not that he need enter into the parti-
celara to which the Hon. Gentleman had adverted. There
had been no doubt great disorders in Newfoundland in one
part of the year in particular, and one observation he had
made on the conduct of the Get ernment of Newfoundland
was, that they had hardly been sufficiently prompt in re-
pressing these disorders, because it was quite obvious that
nothing but military force could repress the disorders
which existed, its defiance of all law whatever.—(Hear.)
Ho should not object to the inquiry proposed by the
Hon. Gentleman, but he trusted that, now the Committee
was granted, he would postpone the nomination of it till
'Thursday next, as it was of great importance that House
should well consider who should be the persons to he ap-
pointed on that Committee.—( Cheers.) They ought, as
tar as p ssible, to appoint a dispassionate Committee—
(Cheers) —because tae lc cal animosities in Newfoundland
were very great, and those animosities would necessarily'
be increased if it were supposed that the House- had ap-
pointed a Committee predetermined either to support the
Assembly on the one band, or to condemn it on the
other. The Hoe. Gentleman was likewise well aware
that there wt re religious at i emsities cont.ezted i h the
subject, and it seas tt,crefore the more important that they
should to careful in the selection of the members of that
Committee.—( Cheers.) _ _ _

Mr. Hll3llO, hoped the inquiry would be conduced
wish the knowledge of the majetiv of the inhabitints
the island. The patty for whom the Hon. Gentlemen
appeared were, as far as he understood, the minority, and
be hoped ample time would be allowed for the information
cf the majotitv. Last year his Hon. Friend the Member
for Dublin and lirnself had pze3.ented a peti7ion from the
rnaj,rity of the islaad, complaining of grievances=, and
pla)ing for inquiry. lie was sure that those re itioners
would net be sorry that this inquiry had been granted—
but on thci: behalf he craved tull and ample time, and
doubted if it would be possible to give them proper notice
during the present Session. He did nct know who, he-
longing to the island, was at prevent in this country who
couA give information on tae subject. He mentioned
this, b-: elate the Hon. Gentleman had rood a resolution
rslatieg to the Ci i f Justice, and the Hon. Gentleman
had I.a d the. Ci.i -f Justice a high compliment, as if his
c:,nduct had not been censured by the Governmetrt. The
Hon. Gc,,tleman ought to have sta'e.3, that after a full
acd fir inquiry before the Committae of the Privy Coun-
cil in thii country, although he was scqu'ottcd technically,
yet the acquittal was accompani ,d by a r.2cothmendation
that be should nct be allowed again to go back toNewfound.
land, and that showed that they were not alt -g ther saris-
fied with the Judge's conduct. He should have bea
more satisfied if these kquiries could be pos,ponctl to
next Session, in order to give the majority au opportunity
of being made acquainted with their procee.iiagv.
Mr. Al J. O'CONNELL. thought it v..as most unjuet
to the colony t ) have theae stat-ments made without any
answer being circa on tire other side. Oae poirt the
lion. Merater bad omitted to state, namely, the exclu ive
preference that bad been garcn to pe:sons prcfesiing a rc-
it,..pon different from Viet established in the colony. It up-
a )7ate i that out of 19,0001. paid annually for the sAaries
of public ofLe., 18,0001. was so distributed, and that was
one of the great causes of the dis.centent in the colony.
He thought it extremely advisable that the House of
As-
sembly should have an opportunity Lifirded them of msk-
ing their ttwemen•, and he suggested, therefore, that the
Hon. Member do potpone his Committee till after Easter.

Mr. PA K I NGTON slid it was his irneltion to LaTad in
the names cf the Committee that eve' ing, and to move
their apps i-Ament cn Thursday in conformity vial the
.sug-
geaon of the Noble Lord.
Tre motion was agreed to.
POOR-LAWS.

On the motion of Lrri J. RUSSELL, the House
then went into Comtn't ee on the Poor-law Amender cot
Bill. Mr. Bears At, in the Chair.
On clause 10 being read,
:11r. COL QU HOUN, pursuant to nstice, rote to more
that at the end cf the clause these be added, " Provided
al.vays, that i a the said combined parish or union set:eels
for the infant poor, a atti_lain of the Church of Eigland
shall be appointed, who shall be empowered to regulate
and srmerintencl the instruction end training of the chil-
dren," excepting where a difference if creed existed, a:el
where the va.ent or parents of the child objected to in-
struction being given by the c!e^gyenan cf the Est.blisted
Church, and in such case it shall and may be lawful in
such combined school, for any licensed n hisser if the
rellgi,,us persuasion el the child, at times soacifictl by the
Board of Mansgemer.t, to attend and bfflrtd religious in,
s.truction to such child or children, provided always that
such appointment receive the sant:lon of the Bidlop of
the Diocosa.
Dr. LUSUINGTON said that whatever objections
might be made on the part of certain persons to the ar,.
intment of a cha„lain f et- these schools, lie ( Dr, Lush-
ington) was satisfied of the necessity for such appointtnen,.
He was no advocate for imposing upon the Dissenters any
additional contributions fir the maintenanes of a Church
from which they conscieruiluily differed in religious
opitim ; but he belitnn d meat confidently, though he
had had no communicaion with any of the DisEtaing
bodies upon the subject, that so r_t,ached were thej in hcartt
in feeling, and in principle to th? union of l',.ligiotts in-
struction with secular education, that richer than as e two
or three hundrad children belonging to the United Church
of England and Ireland left to secular instruction only,
or to a chance religious instruction, they would to rifi:o
their feelings and their convictions as Dissenters from the
Established Church.—( Hese, hear.) (Dr. L.) en-
tirely assented, therefore, to the proposition for the ap-
pointment of a chaplain. But he hoped, at the same
time, that the duties of the chap lain would be strictly
confined to the instruction of those who properly belonged
t) him, namely, to those children who had been brought
up in the faith and thertiteitnevis.
Eng-
land ; and the to
xlitieshidns(ti oottfl hneither r ch
directlyof
r
Dissenters would .receis eatrilis
indirectly be elk to those who honestly dissented
bear.) He believed that the
from the Church
proposition not merely with,
out reluctance, but w;it.ahngreatsatisfaction, if it were ap•
hoped that if they did so re-
plied in such a spi.it
upone other subjects came.
ceive it, when their feelings
t:
hanydvr
justly
findr that
. such
appreciated,_
(Hear, be discussed in that Hweeingsheed
Le subject in this point conduct had been duly weighed
(Hear, hear.) Reg 4;
many religious
he confessed that when ha first considered the original v'ew'
amend-
ment proposed by the Hon. Member for Kilmarnaomekent
appeared to him to go infinitely further than it ought tO
many difficulties and exciting
prejudices by the sweeping and
comprehensive terms in
go, raising
which it was worded. The
clause then before the
was, in
the wording at least, though not perhaps in sub-
stance, totally different from that whicfi was originally
proposed, and contained a great variety of additional mat-
ter, which be confessed himself unable entirely
to compre-
hend. It first proposed the appointment of a chaplain, and
secondly, that the appointment should be sanctioned by the
diocesan. To both these propositions he assented. How-
ever liberal might be his opinions with respect to those
who dissented from the Church of England, he had ever
strenuously maintained the superintending power of the
diocesan in all matters connected with the Church of Eng-
land. Ho thought that no clergyman should be appointed
to so important a trust without the sanction of the Bishop.
If he rightly understood the matter, the Hon. Gentleman
had taken certain provisions of the old Poor-law as the
basis for protecting from all violation the religious scruples
of Catholics and others who dissented from the Church.
He was not altogether satisfied with the mode in which the
lion. Gentleman had in that respect framed this clause,
and his objection to it was one upon which, in his opinion,
' the fate of the clause would ultimately depend. What was
the object to be effected ? They all agreed that those who
belonged to the United Church of England and Ireland
should be placed under the religious instruction of the
chaphin i • but the difficulti es were twofold—first, to ascer-
tain who belo d
nge to that Church, and secondly to devise
a protection for those ir.h d ere from it. With respect
to the first of these diffi ul •ie he
Hon. Geetternan had expressed.?'tt' doubted whether the
himEralt in terms suffici-
ently clear. He admitted
in
these
unions
would be
that the great majority of children
id be members of the Church of Eng-
land; and that they had a right to assume, when nothing
appeared to the contrary, that the children belonged to the 1
Church, still he was not satisfied with this part of the
clause, He had apprehended, as was the ease with the

amendment originally proposed, that the Hon. Member
;solid, instead of Introducing the subject into this
clause, have reserved it for further consideration in
a subsequent stage of the Bill, and after mature reflection
and consideration. In such a matter they should proceed
with the greatest caution. The subject would always be
involved in ccnsiderablc difficulty. But, notwithstanding
the difficulty which must be felt in laying down an
ievariable rule, and the uncertainties which must
exist from the very nature of the subject, they should
endeavour to adopt that principle, and to lay
down that rule, which for the most part would be con-
sistent with truth and justice. Now, assuming the general
proposition that the children should be taken as belong-
ing to the Church, he thought the exception proposed
was not broad enough to meet the difficulty. It took
the case of a parent, and it said that the surviving parent
--of course while both alive—the father should have a
right to state ins what religion he wished his child to be
instructed. It even went further, and said godfather and
godmother. Now, he contended that this exception was
totally inadequate. Ho would suppose the case of
three or four orphan children, whose parents had
been of the Catholic faith, and who so far as initia-
tory rights could discover their intention, must be
inferred to have intended to bring them up in their
own faitb. To instruct those children because they
happened to be orphans totally destitute of parental care
and authority, in any other faith than that is which their
parents lived and died, would be in his opinion a violation
of the first principles of religious freedom. Therefore,
be contended that the exception was not sufficient, and
that they must establish some other principle than that
contained in the clause. The relations of the child, whe-
ther Baptist, Independent, or Roman Catholic, should be
allowed to come forward and state in what faith the child
had been instructed. Upon these grousds, he objected
to that past of the elause. He hoped that the subject
would be postponed for the present, until a clause had been
framed, which upon just and reasonable principles should
provide, as far as human wisdom and ingenuity could pro-
vide, for all these exigencies. Taking the old Poor-law as
his guide, tha Hon. Gentleman bad next provided for
the access of religious instructors to children who had
not been brought up in the Church of England. To that
proposition he entirely acceded, conceding all circum-
stances would permit to those who dissented from the
Established Church. If they called upon the Dissenter
to contribute to the support of a chaplain of the Church
of England, the Dissenter had at least a right to demand
the fullest and fairest opportunity of educating pauper
children, whose parents were Qissenters, in the principles
of their own faith. Entertaining this view, he bad en-
deavoured to frame a clause which was in ac-
cordance with it, though it did not materially differ
from that of the Honourable Gentleman. He .would
now take the liberty of reading it to the House.
He had framed a clause providing that a chaplain should
be appointed, for the purpose of furnishing religious in-
struction, according to the doctrines of the Established
Church, to all children belonging to that Church, pro-
vided that such chaplain should in no wife interfere with
the religious instruction of any child belonging to any
other religious persuasion; aad that it should be lawful far
any licensed minister of any religious persuasion, at any
reasonable time is the day, to instruct such children
in the principles of his religion.—( Hear.) They were
now about to legislate for the pocr of this country, and
and he would not confer upon them even the boon of a
good education by the violation of still more sacred prieci-
ples.—( Hear, hear.) Unless prejudices were raised
against the system, he had no doubt of its ultimate suc-
cess. He would go the whole length of the Hon. Baro-
net, and say, that in the case of the mother of a natural
child, he never would consent to take her child from her—
( Hear, hear)—thinking that no object, however bright or
holy, ought to induce them to violate the natural affection
of a mother for her child. He had now stated his views
on this subject, and he asked both sides of the House,
neekirg, as they all did, the benefit and advantage of the
poor— (Hear, hear)-- to set at defiance the foul outcry
against the attempt to confer upon them this it-
estimable beady.. He trusted there was not to be f Fund
in the walls of that House one man so abject a slave to
avatice, so totally destitute of all human feelings, as to
vote for this measure with tle simple view of diminishing
the poor-rate without regard to the blessings that it
conferred upon the people. He should have rejoiced if
they could have so framed the clause as to combine
in universal harmony and contentment the Churchman,
tl e Catholic, and the Dissenter ; and so as to assure the
poor, and also all people of this country who were truly
religious, that they had nothing move at heart than the
sound religi :us education of the people.--( Hear, hear.)
Lord TEIGNMOUTH said he had listened to the
speech of the lion and Learned Gentleman with greet
pleasure, but tlere a ere some pa.ts of it from which he was
cam pelled to dissent. He thought that ie this country,
where there was a Church by law established, all
whose religion was not known, or who 11 e. e
indifferent on the subject, might be assumed to belong to
it, and brought up accardingly in its doctrines. He
thought the Hon. and Learned Gentleman had overrated
the difficulties of this questi ,n. In the parish in which he
resided, and which contained 153,000 inhabitants, the
who 1, cduc:tion of the poor was under the sup, rintend-
ence of a chaplain of the Church of England ; and though
no child could b? taught the Church Catechism if the pa-
rents ebjectod to it, the chaplain informed Lim (Lord
Teignrnouth) that no objection had been made du,i,,g the
whole time he held the office of chaplain. The mistress
of the Ocls' sehoo', who had filled that I-it...tat:on fir 18
yew's, and oho had an average of 170 children under her
I charge, had alto told him that she never knew an instance
of any child or pare at nhjacting to instruction in the liat:c-
chiim of the Church cf hlegletal.
In answer to an observation from Lord SAND ON,
Dr. LUSHINGTON said that his only t.i.h was to
provide for the education of children who u eel not mem-
bers of ti e E.tablished Church.
Mr. W. G LADSTONE wished to know hew the
Right lion. Gentleman would proceed, in the case e f a
child receive.] into the workhouse who had no rear relas

t:ves alive, but the behef of whose parents was known to
have been 4:iffere.st from that of the Establishel Church.
Dr. LUSHINGT 0 N said that he should assume, in
the first inxtanec, that the children go'rg t 3 school in a
workhouse belonEel to the Chorcb of England, but he
thought that not only the wishes of a chil .'s parents or
natural guardians should be consulted with regard to its
eclec Aim:, but that they should g) rani cr, although he
was not prepared et the moment to say to what ex:eA, and
leave a Just and fair opeoing for the interference eithoe who
were int rested in the welfare of the chile. But if no-
body ss hatev. r interfe eel, it might be taken for granted
that the child telonged to the Established Church.
Mr. COLQUIIO UN had no objection to substitute the
words "natural guareisns" for rho words "godfathers and
godmother:," but he could not consent to the alteration
proposed hr the Right Hon. and Learned Ottu:lerauo.
Dr. LUSHINUtON explaicel.
Lo:d SANDON thought the immedi.te nlatiVes of an
orphan child might have a right of objrctior, but he was
not disposed t> extend Vie right la. Cher.
Mr. HAWES said many Disiie hers übjectsd distinctly
to t!_e appointment of a paid chaplain. If these chaplains
were to be paid out of the poor-rate, they were etAabiishing,
a totally diffe:ent mode of paying the clergy: He strongly
opposed it, b-cause this additional draught of money from
the peolde kir tl e clergy came just at the time isl en a
million and a half had been added to the rsvenucs of the
clergy by the Tithe Commot Ilion Act. Why should not
the workhouse he considered as yea. of the Orish ? TI
Dissenting and Crttlaolio minis% Ts discharged the dut'ea
grati,itously, and why should not the Church of England
clergy ? If they were to be paid, :hey should be paid out
4f: some other fund than the poor-rate. Did they mean
1 that the whole education, secular and religious; of the
children. vs as to he placed entioely In the hands of the.
c'ergy ? Were they,compett.it to giVa secular instrue-
rt •a?—(Ch era.) Rather than bays such a proviso, he
would reject the chute altogetLer. Ihe ps3ing the
cha;--lain out of 'hs poor-rate would be briuging ail
the foeliogs against the Churcho ate to bear agelast
the poor-rate. There were sources out of whith
chsplain might be polet and it was nut the fault of that
Ilose.thst those sources had not long since bce:a made
mai atilt.. lie protested against the proviso of the lion.
Gentleman, and he should certuiuly divide the Committee
on the quettion.
Lord J. RUSSELL wal We to conks that tl:erti
great force in the Argun:bat of the Hon. Gentlernao, that,
unless it chaplain were appointed, these schools, consisting
of 330 or 400 children, would be left without regular re-
ligious instruction, and that they were bound to provide
regular religious instructors for them, So strong had that
difficulty been felt iba', when the school at Norwood *as
established, the Commissioners who had spoken to him on
the subjett, had considered it advisable to appoint a chap-
lain at Norwood. He did not object to the principle of the
Hon. Gentleman's clause so far as the appointment of
chaplain was concerned. The Hon. Member for Lambeth
had started an objection which ho (Lord .1. Russel)
thought of the utmost importance. The Hon. Gentleman
opposite proposed that the chaplain should have the power
of regulating and superintending the religious and senile-
instruction of the children. There was one proviso in
the clause, which it. appeared to him (Lord it Russkill)
would have the cffect of plaCing the whole instrucion in
tho hands or the chaplain. That was not the case at
Norwood, nor in the establishments which bad been
formed by the Poor-law Commissioners. In the docu-
ment which had been referred to by the Hon: Gentle-
men, that of Dr. Kay, it Was stated that the chaplain gave
religious instruction during certain hours, and also paid
attentionpg eo a;
rg e
were
e that
he
at ot
instructedt
hthe general morals of the scholars ; but with
fme roednets moof d
education,
a of
regard tosa thesaid
that
generaleatyforuonm
allm mode
their
of
acquaintanceinstructi o n the
with
the
instructionCommis-
sionersdifan d
thathe adopted in this country it ap-
peared
om et in the
d aoo establishmentsodand improved
pGr
olvaesd.
in the instruction in this school.—(
ose establishments wayshod
mostit
wa
method was accordingly
man proposed that rtjaly
young men from th I
cceaos
ri
Li:
la
dibi desirable
et. to
)in
employed
obtain
regulate and superintende.e
adopted. The Hon. Gentle-
man should be empowered to
entirely disapproved of the
were many learned persons who
the instruction old training of
these children. There
who if they bwandotlyileaspotwoewr new
(si systems of o
tebdou cat
methodseducation, andio
well
lould not think that the lion.
use half a century ago. Hew"l
:painted with the whole
such a result. Unless the
addition of the
beforeeotintsotrbuction, and the
sGnbejnetcletmofacleation, wished to 3:
word " religious" were inserted
obj
"trainingwwoourdldnot ob jee't' lteoft
tout,he he must
Hon. Member for Lambeth, cr L
protv claus.e. He
omis,ion of these words, on condition that it heshoulddahlefttha
any otuer
tinted, to
openlem Member otfhethe House, when tire clause was p
bring the subjcc before the House.
Mr. LANGDALE bad no objection to the appoint-
ment; but he
ethtetcnCdehtreffauroafieEr ntgbi
aanndbad
been
wished the
of a
,protectionchaplain of
proposed. The Wth section of the original Poor-law re-
quired some one to object to the education of the child
the religion of the Established Church. But suppoze the
case of a child of twelve or fourteen years of
age, who • had no parents, but who hal ken
fully instructed in seine religious faith, should that
child be compelled to abandon the religious faith in
which be had been educated ? In order to meet this case,
he would propose to add these words, "or to the express