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Wesehad *tot been Attended. to, and under such circumstances
11-t thought he was justified in looking with some degree of
'elernbt as to-the.benefit which the labours of the Commissions
1-1:;w about to commence would bestow. lie wished far that
ularse to be taken which would tend to anniltil4:e the distinc-
tions which at present unhappily prevailed, ant as the Noble
Lard opposite had lately exerted himself to ensure harmony
woong Irishmen after death, he wished to see as much done to
promote harmony anion;; Irishmen while they were yet alive.
Ministers ought to be especially careful that no reli.jous differ-
c;:,::es'should be encouraged in the school now esttblishing,
et to he established under their auspices. If the Catholic

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hierarchy objected to the entire- Seiiptures being put into
the hands of the scholars, he thought it would be advisable
vo Allow selections frorn -the Scriptures to be nialle which they
could approve. It had been often said that the Catholic Clergy
Ireland were)in willing to allow these ••ender their guidance
-so receive the benefits of education. Mr felt called upon; as in
this he could-speak from his own experience, to say such was
Lot the feet ; but if it were, he contended, it would he well to
-Jut their principles to the ti-st, by taking the course which he
had proposed. He was confident that there existed an ardent
wish to procure information through•every gap--through every
-slink from which it could•be-obtained; .acid if, when it were
made clear that in giving education no attempt was to be made
• -so subvert iheir religion, the Clergy should still oppose it by
Luting this be seen a great blow would be struck at the autho-
rity of that Church. He, however,-did nut believe, for the ref.
•um which-he had already given, that thy' would afford an op.
portunity for Such a blow being aimed at diem. Under all the
c•rctitustances, he thought the•inquiry called for by his Noble
Iriend highly desirable, and he therefore heartily concurred in
- the motion.

Lord LIMERICK admitted Ireland to have been cruelly
. oppressed from the time of henry the Seinnd to that of Creorge
•. tle Third, , Since the accession of the last-named Monarch,
a series of benefits had been conferred on Ireland, andthough
e_ ev•ils might -remain to be remedied, ha saw no occasion .for the
general inquiry now called for. II e.maintained the Noble Earl
• (the Eritl of Liverpool) had been misinformed with sespect to the
rents in Ireland, as he believed them m be higher in proportion
. Celan in Englund. The introduction of Poor Rates into Ire-
. land, which the same Noble Earl seemed to think would be a
benefit, would, in his opinion, amount toe confiscation of pro-
perty in-Ireland, as froM the moment when the poor there found
they could be' maintained in idlenciis, as many were here„no
labour would be done. The middle men he delieribed to be
nearly exterminated by the changes consequent on t-e close of
• the war, and landlords absent or present were careful that the
:middlemen should not grind their tenants to powder, that they
xalght make large profits for themselves.
• ,The Marquis of DONVIIIRE set
.forth the importance
of adopting measures to relieve and conciliate the people. of
Ireland, and hoped means would be found of employme the
superfluous capital of England there in a manner that would
prove beneficial to both countries. •
Lord CARBERRY defended the measures taken for more
e, generally diffusing the blessings of education among the poor
• ‘ef Ireland, and maintained that every care was taken not to
• alarm their religious prejudices. 31ost of the schoolmasters
were Roman .o,tholics. The Scriptures were used without
note.or.conuent, and he hoped Parliament would never sanc-
tion 'any plan for the education of the poor under which the
scriptures were to be excluded.
The.•
-Earl of fIODEN considered it to be the misfortune of
legend to be the tool of party and the dupe of designing it:-
- inagognes, who wished to set them against English juriapru-
, 2:4ence arid English connection. Till that superstition were era-
diteae which new enslaved her, no permanent good could be
• effected.•:_ileirore testimony to the general anxiety for education
.-which prevailed in Ireland. He praised in the weraieot terms
• that noble institution, so he must take the liberty to call it, the
• Sunday School Society in Ireland. Thar Society had now csra-
-relished 1640 schools, in which there ware 12,578 gratuitous
teachers, who had weekly to perform the pleasing taek of
teaching 157,184 children.. But it was not the Sunday S.-hool
(.-xiety alone which thus exerted itself in the cause of edeca-
, llon. The London Hibernian Soriety instructed 90,000 chil-
edren daily, of whom 65,000 were Roman Catholics; the
hit-
dare-street Society educated 70,000 children, of whom 45,000
• were Roman Catholics; the Capel-street Society educated
.19,216, of whom 9,246 were Roman Catholics. The Ana-
. baptist's Society educated 9,000 children, of whom 7,500 were
Roman Catholics. The Irish Society educated 3,900 children,
of whom 3,001) were Roman Catholics. The sum total was,
these schools educated 349,30 G Irish children, of which number
-141;748 were Roman Catholics.

The Marquis of Lalkisoowg explained.
Lord CLIFDEN supported the motion, and contended that
Ireland could never be pacified till the 'Protestants and the
eatholics'were placed on a perfect footing of equality.
. The. Earl of CARNARV ON described the evils under which
„Iteiand:groaried, and which were peculiar to herself, and the
-Narious..measures.proposed for their remedy. The changes at
present, countenanced by Ministers, he did not think ealculat‘d
to el:l:arm:A, but he thought the Government would find it.
7a-if compelled to go further. He thought no beneficial chenge
eculd he looked for while Ireland retained a Hierarchy of the
same persuasion as a small portion of the people, which was re-
.,:wted if not execratittl by a great majority. Under such cir-
-camstane::s he thought it must be felt that in that country a
Church establishment was useless. The evils which affected
';eland, grew out of the violation of the treaty of Limerick.
Ile adverted to the persecutions which Ireland had sustained
t..^:rough centuries,and strongly set forth the importance of seiz-
;Lig the present moment to conciliate her, that in the day of
' danger she might be found the sincere Friend of England.
71he Earl of -DARN I:EY replied.
. After which the House divided, when the numbers were as

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Adjourned at TWELVE o'CLacx. '

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HOUSE OF COMMON S%

Mr. C. WILSON brought in a bill for amending the Pau.
pez Laws relative to litmatics.—Read a first time,
SE(IRO SLAVERY.

Air. SEYMOUR presented a petition; praying for the AboLi-
tiun of Negro Slaccry.
similar petitions were presented by Lord STANLEY, from
Worington, in th-: County of Lancaster; by Mr. Kutwax,
from the inhabitants of Stanmer, in the County of Cumberland ;
and by Sir T. BARING from Chippenwiehec, in Devonshire.--
The petitions were ordt-red to lie on the table and be printed.