The Sun.
London, England, 1823-06-03 00:00:00

SALE OF GAME.

Lord CRANBORNE rose to move the second reading of the
Bill to legalize the Sale of Game.
Mr. li. SUMNER said it was too late to go into discussion
on this Bill. If the Noble Lord did go into the discussion, he
should feel it his duty to move the House do adjourn.—(A cry
of " No, no ; go on.
Lord CRANBORNE said, he felt that he had the sense of
the House with him, and he should go on.
Mr. H. SUMNER said he did not wish to interrupt other
business, but he could not consent to discuss the Game Bill at
that late hour.
Mr. H. BENNET said he had never found the Hon. Mem.
ber for Surrey object to the lateness of the hour, when the
Public money was to be voted.
The House then divided—
For the second reading of the Bill
Against it

Maj
ority - e - 170
Lord CRANBOR NE then stated the object of the Bill ; he
called the attention of the House to the increase of poaching,
and expressed his belief that the Bill would destroy that nefa-
rious system, and restore men now deeply criminal to the
habits of honest industry. The Noble Lord said that the books
of poulterers would prove that game was now sold to a large
extent. One poulterer sold in the course of a year 22,490
heads of game. Another sold in .one season to a Gentleman
524 heads ; and, in a third instance, 111 heads of game were
sold in three weeks. He had no desire to go into the details
of the measure, but reserved himself for the Committee, which
was the proper time to discuss the clauses.
Sir JOHN SHELLEY opposed the Bill. If it passed into
a law, it would drive the country Gentlemen from their °tees,
and make England like France, where a man could not enjoy a
day's sport without the consent of the Commune. He, for
one, anticipated the worst effect from the Bill. It was to in.
troduce novelty, which would be injurious to the country. He
was disposed rather
" To bear the ills we have,
Than fly to others that we know not of."
In order to mark his opinion, he should move the Bill be read
a second time on the Ist of September.—(A Laugh.)
Lord DID ERHURST begged to second the motion of' the
Hon. Baronet, Member for Lewes, and to observe that in his
opinion whenever game was " legally sold " its destruction
would decidedly follow. A measure of this nature had been
introduced in 1816 by a Gallant Colonel opposite; he (Lord
Deerhurst) had opposed the same clause in that Bills which he
did on the present occasion, anti be conjured 'the House to go
along with him in so doing upon the introduction of the pre.
tent measure. He would not go into the detail of the Bill,
sufficiently convinced, as he felt, that if that clause lega-
lizing the bale of game was permitted to stand; the de-
tail became childish and absurd, as you would be only
legislating to protect what you were destroying. To prove
that there was always some collateral means by which the
poacher was discovered in the illicit traffic in which he was en.
gaged as the law now stood, he should state what had occurred
in Worcestershire.--A set of persons had poached the game of
many of its inhabitante—they were not to be taken in the field,
though all means were adopted to do so—but fortunately these
men, dealing with other rogues in Birmingham,. were paid by
them in false Bank of England notes ;—they (the poachers) be-
came the utterers, and were taken up accordingly and lodged in
gaol. Here they proved the fact, that they had not been the
fabricators of these notes, or the intentional 'titterers; but that
they had them from other rogues in the illegal traffic in which
they had been engaged.—(bear, heart)--Their discovery as
poachers was consequent • no means could have taken these
persons in the field, so droit were they in the pursuit there
of their mode of plunder. He mentioned this only to show that
something or other always hung over these characters in the trans.
fer of their illicit commodity. Once legalize houses for the
sale of game, and you may also write on the same sign, " Safe
depot for poachers;" for you absolutely hold out a boon
for crime.—(llear, hear i)—So then those careful of our morals
will find that the; will fail, and only produce more wicked and
dissolute persons than now exist, if this Bill should pass. Ho
(Lord lleerhurst) conjured the House to view this (the agri-
cultural part of it at any rate) with a jealous eye, as an intru-
sion of the monied interest upon one of its last surviving plea-
sures. If those persons rolling in wealth complain of not being
able to have game at their tables, were to lay outesome of their
treasure in land, they would obviate all reason of complaint, and
be sharing fairly with those who derive their revenues from land,
and who have been getting with difficulty 3 per cent. from their
tenants, whilst the monied man has been taking 5 per cent. free
from trouble or anxiety for his, and now then wishes to annihilate
this last remaining pleasure attached to the land. Are we to have
the bitter pill of landed revenue driven down our throats with

all its nauseous particles? with the very rhuharb sticking to'
our lips, without a little honey, a little sweet, to make it palata-
ble ?—(A laugh !)--It will be no satisfaction to have, when
this Bill faibr in its effects, another introduced to rescind it—
We have been 10 years in establishing. the Game, and
persons after 40 do not attack things again with the same
vigour, the same energy, as they did at an earlier period.—
(A laugh.)—The Insolvent Debtors' Acts were thought good—,
so, in theory', they might be, but how, in practice, might be seen,
by, the petitions under which the table of the House has daily
groaned, during the present Session, in opposition to their
tendency.—( Hear !)--Ile (Lord I).) begged of the Government
support on this occasion ; it might be considered by some as a
trifling question, but it merged, he thought, into a very serious
consideration—" Whether Gentlemen were to be driven from
their country-seats." Look at Ireland,—were not her evils in
a, great measure arising from the desertion of her soil by the
perrasns of landed property ?—(Hear, hear !)—lt would be the
grossest impolicy to sanction this measure, against which he
should conscientiously give a vote this night.
Mr. W. PEEL opposed it. It would not only destroy shoot.
ing, but do away fox hunting.
Mr. POYNTZ wished to say a few words as a Magistrate
and game preserver. He did pot go into the crimes of despe-
rate poachers. It was sufficient to know the crime of poaching
had increased, and would increase. The increase of crime was
to be attributed to an excess of game, and the want of employ-
ment among the working classes. The (lame Laws were un-
constitutional ; so much so, that no Magistrate or Judge could
enforce them without reluctance. Persons had no means of
supplying themselves with game like the manor-holders.--This
he considered a hardship.
Mr. WHITBREAD could not give his vote in silence.—
The Game Laws had become unjust and oppressive.
:Mr. BROUGHA3I concurred with the two last speakers in
condemning the tresent system of the Game Laws, and would
be willing to, approve of any thing that would ameliorate that
system. But he could see nothing in the specific measure now
under consideration to entitle it even to a doubt in its favour.
Ile hoped Gentlemen would not be led away by an idea that it
was desirable to break down the present system ; for this bill
did not break down that system, but went to perpetuate its most
odious features. , Instead of legalizing the sale of game, it con..
(hued the existing. monopolies, and established one monopoly,
itiaddidon to those now complained of, more offensive than all
the rest, as not an article of game could be boughtbut by virtue
of te license from a Justice of Peace; anti the influence of
Justices of Peace, he was decidedly of opinion, ought not to be
extended. He considered the measure so radically imperfect,
so fundamentally wrong, so inconsistent with itself, and so at
variance with all sound principles of legislation, that he must
'oppose it, but always abjuring as unworthy of support the
present system.
Mr. S. WOItTLEY defended the Bill, as he conceived
that any measure which went to alter the Game Laws was most
important to the morals of the people, and the first step to be
taken with a view to correct the evils of the present system
was to legalise the sale of game. Ile, acting as a Magistrate
himself, agreed with the Honourable and Learned Gentleman,
that the powers of Justices of Peace ought not to be extended;
on the contrary, he could wish them to be limited more than
they were at present. The market was at present well sup-
plied with Game, and he thought legalizing the sale, and
throwing it into respectable hands, instead ofleaving it where
it was, would be beneficial. Ile therefore wished this Bill to
be tried as an experiment. It would be madness to expect
that it would at once put down poaching altogether, but he
thought the trade would become so much less profitable than
it had been, that the young men who were being initiated into
it would not think it very well worth following. He was of
opinion that the sooner they came to the law of Scotland which
allowed any person holding land to admit others to shoot on
that land, the sooner would they arrive at the true principle on
which the Game Laws ought to rest. This principle he had
supported in the Committee, and he would not suffiir the Bill
to pass without making an attempt to get it adopted and em.
bodied In the present measure.
Mr. Secretary. PEEL, after mature consideration, felt it to
he his duty to support the Bill. It might be a partial im-
provement In the law, but lie was not disposed to reject it on
that account, provided it were an improvement at all. The
Bill gave the party who was at the expense of rearing game
the right of selling it. The question then was, whether the
sale ought to be subjected to any restriction. He was of opi_
nion that sonic restrictions were necessary, and he was there.
fore disposed to favour the provisions of the Bill, not
to extend the influence of Magistrates, but because he
now lhwe
i subject knew of no other means by which the restrictions necessary
to regulate the sale of game could be enforced. The mono.
hile
twoefn
jtus to t
correct
poly to b- sanctioned by Bill was only that nionopoly
which
was already aisa lr
werethe p parties,
ties
complaint. 'Within the last five years there had been 6,050
prosecutions under the Game Laws. So many offences com.
witted within so short a period, and offences of this description,
proved something to be wrong in the system, and proved some
alteration to be absolutely necessary; he therefore supported
the present Bill.
31r. TENNYSON opposed the Bill.
Sir T. ACKLAND anxiously wished for the adoption of
some measure to improve the present system. He hoped the
second reading would be carried, even it they foundered in the
Committee, to mark the sense of the House of Commons that
sonic change in the.system was necessary.
Lord CRANI3ORNE briefly replied, and the House then
divided, when the numbers were--
For the second reading -
For the Amendment - 60
Majority . - —22
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be com-
mitted this day.
The other orders of the day were disposed of, and the House
'adjourned at HALT-PAST Iwo o'C LOCK this morning.

PAIILRMENTARY PAPER.

HIS MAJESTY'S CORONATION.

An account of the money expended at his Majesty's Corona-
tion, stating the amount, under the several heads, expended,
and from what sources the money was supplied
Lord Steward, Expenses attending the Banquet £25,184 9 8
Lord Chamberlain, for the Furniture and De-
corations of Westminster Abbey, and West-
minster Hall ; for providing the Regalia ; for
Dresses, &e. of the
persons attending and
i performng various duties - - - 111,172 9
Master of the Horse, for the Charger for the
Champion 0. 0 0 0
Malan of the Robes, for his Majesty's Robes,
&e. &c. - - - - - 24,704 810
Surveyor General of Works, for fitting up
Westininister Abbey, and Westminster Hall,
Platforms, &e. - - - 1)0,367 9
'
W. I). Fellowes, Esq. Secretary to his Majestys
Great Chamberlain,' for Expenses incurred -
Hire of the Theatres - - -
Master of the Mint, for Medals - -
Sir George Naylor, for Expenses in the Earl
Marshal's Department
Sir George Naylor, towards the Publication of
the Account of the Ceremony - -
Deputy Earl Marshal, usual Fee - .
Sirke'erp.errluiTiouhitst.„e
offoLor Ardlsesseng..ers
Sir R. Baker, Expense of Police - -
and.. Door.:
Messrs. Rundell and Bridge, for Snuff-boxes
for Foriiiim Ministers • - -
Earl of Kinnoul on Account of Pursuivants
and Heralds in Scotland -

2,500 0 0
3,504 15 0
4,770 5 4

2,500 0.0

3,000 0 0
800 0 0
981 18 10

173 2 6

0,205 15 0

234 7 7

t 238,230 0 2

Note.—A few Claims are still unsettled, the
amount probably not exceeding £l,OOO 0 0
Paid out of the Sum voted by Parliament, in
tine Session 1020 - - £lOO,OOO 0 0
Paid out of Money received from France on
Account of pecuniary Indemnity, under
Treaty, Anno 1815

. 1304311 0 2

£238438 0 2
J. C. IIERRIES.
Whitehall, Treasury Chambers, May 27, 1823.

TRINITY CHURCH ST. MARY, NEWINGTON. --The
ceremony oflayin_g the foundation stone of the new Church was
that Purpose, performed yesterday morning in a plot of ground set apart for
Church, Southwark, and Horsernonger-lane gaol.—At about 12
Tose, in Suffolk-street Last, between St. George's
o'clock his Grace the Archbishop of Canterbury arrived upon
the platform (which had been temporarily erected), preccedcd
by the children of the different Parochial Schools, to the num-
ber, as we were informed, of 400, and attended by several of
the Reeerend Incumbents of the neighbouring parishes.—
The services were commenced by the children, who sung the
Hundredth Psalm. The Rev. A. C. Onslow, Rector of St.
,Vary, Newington, delivered an appropriate prayer. The Se-
cretary to the Trustees for building the new Churches then de-
posited the usual number of coins, after which the ceremony of
consecration was duly performed by the Right Rev. Father in
God, anti the stone being gradually lowered upon the founda.
tion, some cement, white as alabaster, was laid on with a silver
trowel, and the necessary formula : a prayer and a psalm, ter-
minated the ceremonial. The procession then went to St.
Peter's where the ceremony was repeated.