The Sun.
London, England, 1841-09-21 00:00:00

NIAYNOOTH COLLEGE.

On the sum of 4,4641. for the Roman Catholic College
being proposed,
Mr. PLUMPTRE said that he was always opposed to
this grant, and 'he would not now agree to it. He did not
wish to use harsh terms, but he never could consent to
applying the public money to the propagation of error.
He should feel it his duty to divide the Homse on the vote.
Major BRYANT said, if the Hon. Gentleman could not
admit of this grant being made, the Irish people would
not think of giving them money to support the propaga-
tion of what they considered to be error.
Sir R. INGLIS trusted his Hon. Friend wouldinot di-
vide the House on the question. One half of the grant
had already been given, and the parties in expectation of
the residue had been led to increase their expenses on
that expectation. His Hon. Friend could oppose the
grant when it was proposed next year:
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL should like to know of the
the Right Hon. Baronet, who had just sat down, whether
the observation of his Hon. Friend, the Member for Kil-
kenny (Major Bryant), should not apply to his (Sir
R. Inglis) favourite question of Church Extension. He
(Mr. M. J. O'Connell) should like the House to divide
on the question, that they might know the opinions of
Hon. Gentlemen who were unprejudiced on the subject.
He did not think that any Hon. Gent.eman would be
wrong in voting against the grant on conscientious
motives. If people were not to contribute to the sup-
port of erroneous doctrines none would more rejoice at
it than the Roman Catholics of Ireland.
After a few words from Mr. PAKINGTON and MY.
DARBY,
Lord POLLINGTON said that the Hon. Baronet (Sir
R. Inglis) seemed to justify the grant on the principle of
prescription. Now, he should justify his vote on the
present occasion on the ground of the great majority of
the Irish people having a just claim.
Sir R. PEEL said he must say he did not give his
vote in favour of the present grant on the ground that
one-half of the sum was already granted. He had given
his vote for this grant for the last thirty years, in office
and out of office, without feeling any violation of reli-
gious scruples, and he should do so on the present occa-
sion. Nevertheless he reserved to himself the right of
making any proposal he might think proper respecting
it in a future Session.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said the Right Hon. Baronet
must have spoken of some Session previous to 1840,
since in that year, and in 1841, he was absent when the
vote was proposed.
Sir R. PEEL said that he had not only frequently
voted for, but spoken in favour of the vote ; and his
being absent on any particular occasion when the vote
passed,- was no more proof of his being inimical to it
than was that of the Late Secretary of the Colonies, who
was absent that evening.—(Hear.)
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said the last two debates on
the subject were the most important, and the absence of
the Right llon. Baronet was particularly remarked.
Mr. PLUMPTRE said, that, as on former occasions,
he should feel it his duty to divide the House against the
vote.

Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, but no divi-
sion took place.
During our absence
Mr. L_Alir addressed the House, and on our return to
the gallery we found
Mr. COCHRANE intimating his intention to divide

against the vote.
An 'lox. MEMBER said he was surprised the Hon.
Member for Bridport (Mr. Cochrane) should divide
against this vote, since he had not done so against the
sum voted in the early part of the evening for the Gene-
ral Assembly of the Church of Scotland.
Mr. FORBES said he thought if he voted for this
grant he should be voting for a grant that would be in-
jurious to the Catholics in a religious point of view, and
ivhieh would not promote the tranquillity of Ireland.
Mr. COCHRANE explained. There was no division
on the vote to the General Assembly of the Church of
Scotland, or he should certainly have voted against it.
—(Loud cries of " Hear" from the Opposition.)
The House then divided—.
For the vote
Against it
Majority

99
23

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The vote was then agreed to.
Also 350/. for charitable uses in Ireland ; 975/. for the
Royal Belfast Academy ; 8,2501. for public buildings in
Ireland ; 12,5421. 10s. expenses of the Department of
Chief Secretary for Ireland.
On the vote for 6,2321. expenses of the Lord Lieu-
tenant's Household being put,
Lord CLEAIENTS said he had a strong objection to
the vote. He wished to see the office of Lord Lieutenant
abolished. It was a perfectly antediluvian office.
Gentlemen might laugh, and he agreed with them that
nothing was more laughable than to see a gentleman of
this country apeing royalty in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.)
He thought the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland should be ap-
pointed as in the counties of England, and not be attended
with the paraphernalia of royalty, and that ridiculous
household. He should not, however, divide the House
on the present occasion.—The vote was agreed to.
The following votes were also agreed to :-
2,3691. for the Commission of Civil Service in Ireland.
3,07. q. for the charges of printing proclamations and
statutes in Ireland.

51,000/. for criminal prosecutions in Ireland.
19,051/. for the Metropolitan Folic° (Dublin).
1,392/. for defraying the charges of Public Works.
3,6011. for the town-land survey in Ireland.
1,4551. for the Commissioners for the Improvement of
the Shannon.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and ob-
tained leave to sit again on Wednesday next ; and the
House then resumed.
The Report on the Foreign Bishops' Bill was received.
Sir I'. FREMANTLE moved the recond reading of
the Royal Gardens Bill.
After a few worda. from Mr. PROTHEROE and Mr.
WAKLEY,
Sir R. PEEL said it was the intention of Government
to have villas built upon the site of the gardens,
which would not much diminish the means of recreation
to the people. He agreed in the suggestion of the Noble
Lord the late Commissioner of Woods and Forests, that
it was better' to arprcpriate the Crown-lands for the
Royal Gardens rather than have recourse to a vote.
Mr. WAKLEY admitted that the villas would not
much diminish the means of recreation.
Sir 'l'. FREMANTLE said that no benefit was
derived from the gardens to the Royal Family.
After some further discussion the Bill was read a
second time, and ordered to be committed on Wednesday
next.

The Frogmore Lodge Bill was read a second time.
The Lunatics' Bill was read a second time.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL moved for copies of all eel',
respondaei
dn eEsble.t, wa•enedn
ALioerxd4T-IvciiosreNouinxtonA,iourp4get.,lllaNtrumigahri
fitierlff of Fermanagh, relative to the return to the writ
of election for that county,—Agreed to.
Captain PECHELL moved that the return, made in
pursuance of -Act 4th Geo. IV., c. 11—viz., copies of all
cases•which have been stated and signed by Commis-
sioners acting in execution of the Acts relating to t 4
assessed taxes, which have been presento thi§
Once No, 87 of S'e§§ion 8:1.1 OMR! (wtil the ex,
WELLon of the
PEP,,P:ifQt
Eerillfonifit:nodinB.s:e3rrgv. fautioeilTß'rmiloaut,4lhilee)
'r!vninio4itiOn was nega-
tived without A :!::tion.
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of Ow EX-
CHEQUER, a Select conllPiViAl appointed, to con.
014 ax3d rpprt on the plan submitted by the archi-
inoi Qi tioe, iiciw Itbuses of Parliament, for the ventila-
tion and warming_ of the Houses of rarliataeat, and for
rendering them *011.414
ADMINISTRATIO'N OF JUSTICE BILL.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL brought in a Bill for
facilitating the Administration of Justice. The Hon.
and Learned Gentleman stated that the IVI was, pre-
eisely the quip Nyhic:h 1-0 pissetl the House of
T.,ords, and nearly receiye4 the sanction of the House ;
but hha-b,een .withiliawn on account of some money
clauses having been inadvertently introduced the othe'r.
T-TullseT
The Ifouse then adjourned shortly after One o'Clock.

On Thursday morning-, Ryles, a Birkenhead
watchman, caught, at Woodside Ferry, an eel, which Pleasured
in length 5 feet. 9 inches, and in girth 1t inches. It weighed
29,1 b. Ryles, who fovight the Munster snore than half an hour
before he could capture it, had his hand severely bitten.—
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