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London, England, 1841-06-18 00:00:00

MORNING EDITION

ships could be postponed until to-morrow. He hoped
his Noble Friend would persevere in his motion for ex-
punging the clause.
The Marquis of NORMA.NBY explained.
The Earl of DEVON saw no occasion to postpone the
debate. There was at present a full attendance of Peers,
which it might not have on another occasion. He thought
the division of their Lordships should now be taken
upon the amendment of the Noble Earl (Winchilsea).
He had always been an advocate for the mitigation of the
criminal code whenever it was calculated -to lead to a
certainty of prosecution and conviction ; but he did
not think the alteration proposed by the present measure
would produce that effect, and he should therefore give
his vote in favour of the amendment.
The Earl of HAREWOOD thought that the House
ought not to be bound by the opinions of the Judges,
however valuable they might be, when they were taken
in private. Whether juries would do their duty or not,
he thought the crimes enumerated in the clause were
worthy of death.
The Earl of RADNOR said the wish of all good
citizens must be to repress crime, and if Juries would
not convict, if they would commit perjury rather then
find persons guilty when the punishment was drAtn, it
was their duty toalter the law.
The Earl of HADDINGTON said he saw no reason
why there should not be as full a House to-morrow as
to-day, as he felt convinced that every Noble Lord must
take an interest in this matter. He thought they ought
therefore to adjourn the debate.
The Earl of WINCHILSEA said he thought it would
have been advisable to have COnsulted the Learned
Judges in the matter.
Lord DENMA.T. said that had he been aware that
such an amendment as had been proposed had been con-
templated, he would have taken an opportunity of con-
sulting the Learned Judges on the point, for the purpose
of the House having the advantage of their experience ;
but not for the purpose in any way of dictating-to the
House, but that their Lordships might have the opinions
of parties who must naturally be well acquainted with
the subject.
After a law words from Lord ABINGER, Lord BROUG-
HAM, and the Earl of DEVON,
The Duke of WELLINGTON said he thought there
could ha no difficulty in adjourning the debate till to-
morrow, as all the questions involved in the Bill would
still remain, open for consideration. It appeared to him
that those questions required for their consideration time
and opportunity. But he was afraid if they did not ad-
journ the debate, that they would neither have time nor
opportunity.—(A laugh.)
The Earl of WINCHILSEA said that he should move
to-morrow that the clause be expunged.
The motion for the adjournment of the debate until to-
morrow was then put and agreed to.
The School Sites Bill was read a third time and passed.

BRIBERY AT ELECTIONS BILL.
quis of NORMANBY having moved that the
House 14 uld resolve itself into a Committee upon this Bill,
Lord _BROUGHAM said he thought some measures
should be taken to abolish that detestable practice, which
bid fair to destroy the elective franchise of the country—
he meant the system of wholesale bribery at elections ;
but he did not think that the present Bill was calculated:
to produce the desired effect. He confessed that he did
not see any ob;ection to the last clause of the Bill.
Lord ABINGER said that many attempts had been
made in the House of Commons, to put an end to the
practice of bribery at elections. He could not but think.
from the vary history of the subject, that the measure '
was one of that nature that demanded the most delibe-
rate consideration, which could not be given on this, the
last day of the Session but one. He could not think that
the framers of the Bill ever intended that it should pass.
He would, however, in consequence of what had fallen
,from the Noble and Learned. Lord opposite (Lord
Brougham), abandon his original intention of moving
that the Bill be committed that day three months.
The Marquis of NORMANBY repudiated in the
strongest manner the idea of the framers of the measure
never intending that the Bill should pass. Their Lord-
ships might dissent from, the introduction of a novel
principle in the law of evidence ; but he could nut for a
moment imagine that the framers of the Biil never in-
tended that it should pass.
The Bill then passed through Committee, on the un-
derstanding that it should be amended on the third
reading.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of,
and the House adjourned at Eight o'Clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 17

The SPEAKER took the chair at the usual hour.
Sir MONTAGUE CHAPMAN presented a petition
from a place in the county of Westmeath against the
repeal of the Corn-laws.
Lord BARRINGTON presented two petitions from
Brighton and another Owe, against the proposed mea-
sures of her Majesty's Ministers for the alteration of the
duties on timber, sugar, and corn.
Sir C. BURRELL presented two petitions from
places in Sussex against any alteration in the Corn. laws.
Mr. MACAU.LAY presented a petition from Edin-
burgh against Church patronage in Scotland.
Mr. HAYTER presented several petitions from va
rions districts in the metropolis, praying for the abolition
of the Corn-laws.
Mr. WYSE presented several petitions from the Tower
Hamlets, Camden Town, and other parts of the metro-
polis, to the same effect.
Mr. A. CHAPMAN presented a petition from the
Chamber of Commerce of Greenock against the timber I
duties.
Mr. BAINES
.presented a petition from Leeds, pray-
ing for the abolition of the Corn-laws.
Mr. VILLIERS presented petitions for the repeal of
the Corn-laws from . the following places :—Thame,
Oxfordshire ; Great Marlow ; Woburn ; Leighton
Buzzard ; Wolverton ; Maids Moreton ; Thornborough;
Foscctt ; Chesham ; Stowe ; Westbury ; Stoke Ha-
mond (2) ; Great Hampden ; Loughton ; Brickhill ;
Buckingham ; Missenden ; High Wycombe ; West Wy-
combe ; Taplow ; Fifehead Magdalen, Dorset ; Mayor
and inhabitants, South Molton ; Hatters, at Stockport ;
live from Metholists, Teetotallers, and Females, from
Northwich, in Cheshire ; Baptist Congregation in
Walsall ; from the town and perish of Congregation
(Wilts) ; Wellington, in the county of Somerset ;
from Tibscheif, in Derbyshire ; feum Bailey, in York-
shire ; three from Neweastle-under-Lyne ; forty-one
from workmen and others in the neighbourhood and
manufactories in Rochdale, not included in a petition
before presented, signed .by 12,000 persons ; twenty-
two from- different districts in and about London ;
from Lossiemouth, Scotland ; froth the Stewarton mem-
bers of Kirk Session, in Kirrimuir ; from Kirkaldy ;
two from Kilmarnock ; from Bervie and New Marnock.
Wyatt's Divorce Bill, Hall's Divorce Bill, Dutton's
.Estate Bill, the Abingdon Glebe Estate Bill, and Lord
Glamis' (Earl of Strathmore's Trust) Estate Bill, were
severally read a third time and passed.
The Bills of Exchange Bill, and the Loan Societies
Bill, were severally read a second time, and ordered to
be committed to-morrow.
The Highway Rates Bill was read a third time and
passed; • .
.•
Sir W. FOLLETT presented a petition from the
Solicitors of Exeter, praying the House to take measures
to remove the inconveniences attendant upon the present
Courts of Law at Westminster.

Colonel. PERCEVAL
.presented a petition from the
landowners of the Barony of Erris, county Mayo, against
the repeal of the Corn-laws. Also a petition from Cork
to the same effect.
On the motion/of the ATTORNEY-GENERAL the
Ordfr of the Day for the Committee on Offences against
the person Bill was read for the purpose of being dis-
charged. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman stated that
the enactments in the Bill were embodied in another
measure, which had previously passed the House.—The
Order was then discharged.
FOREIGN FACTORIES.

Mr. WODEHOUSE moved "That an humble Address
be presented to her Majesty, praying that she will be gra-
ciously pleased to give directions, that there be laid
(3be-
fore Parliament, through the medium of her Ambassadors
or other Diplomatic Residents abroad, copies of all re-
gulations established in foreign factories, together with
such explanations in detail as the nature of the cases will
admit ; describing the character ,of the food used therein,
the wages paid therein, whether in specie or hi kind, &c.
&c., in order to enable Parliament to form a iva
as to the degree in which the usages of other countries
are at -variance with the tastes, habits, and enjoyments
of the manufacturing population of Great Britain."
The Hon. Member said that he had, a few days ago,
called upon the Noble Lord, the Secretary for the Colo-
nies, to press upon his attention the advantages
she which
would result from the proposed inquiry ; an ha
understood that the Noble Lord would not oppose the
-motion.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not
wish that the motion should be agreed to in the absence
of his Right Hon. Friend, who had, he believed, some
suggestions to make upon the subject. He was anxious
that the motion should be)stponed until the usual time
for public business, as had been just done in the case of
the Court of Chancery Bill.
_ Mr. BAINES did not wish that the question should
!):carried at that early period of the evening,
ther absence of his Hon. Friend the Member for Kil-
ken , who had a motion upon the paper upon the same
subject.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL said that he had not wished
that the Court of Chancery Bill should be proceeded
with in the absence of his Right Hon. Friend the Mem-
ber for Ripon, but as he had understood his Right Hon.
Friend did not disapprove of the measure, he should not
any longer oppose its committal.
COURT OF CHANCERY BILL. I
On the motion of the ATTORNEY-GENERAL this
Bill went through Committee, was reported without
amendments, and was ordered to w
he read a third time to-
morrow.