The Sun.
London, England, 1812-02-28 00:00:00

their. rwn immediate friend:. iks to the principles
by V' keeli" he was aeluated, t hey were the same no*
as before. He was formerly for the measure, but
agarnst ti•e circumstance and the times. He
was so still. It would be desirable to know what
the principles of the Hon. Gentleman on the other
side were after all their studied equivocation. Did
Lord Grenville mean to stand by his letter to Lord
Fmg.•ll ? Was it right that he should leave his opi-
nion in dioubt at this time ? It would appear as if he
bad anandoned the safeguards which he proposed
originally ; for neither in his speeches, nor in the
fowl to his Royal Highness the Prince Regent was
tierce a word ebout them. The inference was, that
they could force this measure without any safeguards
or qualifications, whether the people of this country
were. favourable to ii: or not. It was curious to see
how those safeguards were abandoned, for he was
-ju,tified in presuming that they were. The re-
act' stated was, the increased danger of the coun-
try. He could not perceive "wherein that in-
crease existed, Our late victories could, hardly
be supposed —to have increased our danger.—
In Ireland some proceedings had taken place which
were in themselves illegal, but- lie never looked
upon them with that alarm which some had done,
and he believed there Would be still less ground
of apprehension if Hon. Gentlemen had stood upon
their own prieciples, like Siattsmen, instead of be-
tray ing them to popular clamour. Had such a course
been pursued, the prospects of the Catholic would
be much brighter than they were. But whatever
difficulties might exist with respeEt to Ireland, or
the Empire, they would not be diminished by the
appoint nent of those Gentlemen to office, who would
attempt to force that question on the country. He
practically agreed with his- Right Hon. Friend, and
circurnstarn es might bring about a practical dif-
ference. He had stated enough in what he had al-
ready said, though not to satisfy those on the oilier
side, yct'to satisfy his own mind, and the House
at large, as to the propriety of that conduct, which
he had felt himself bound to adopt. With respect
to the campaigns, ‘if the Honourable Baronet
thought it advisable to go into a Committee on
that subject, he ought to have done so two years
earlier. Was it nothing, he would ask, to the mi-
litary interest of this country, that in those cam-
paigns Portugal was wrested from the enemy? He
would conttml that the first had procured the safety
of the south of Spain and the port of Cadiz. He
would moreover assert, that to the compaign in
Est:•emadura, we owed that other great hold in
Gallicia. But for thee, Portugal had not
b en ours. The port of Cadi,z had been 'in the hands
of tie enemy, and the fleet of Ferrol seized upon.
The allusion to Waleheren had more of parliamen-
tary trick in it !kiln of justice, and the Hon. Gentle-
nem loins. If (Mr. W.) had been candid enough to
allow on a foriner occasioh, that he had afforded
every means of inquiry. When the Hon. Gentle-
men said he. %as incompetent, he should have re-
collected his admission, that he had no fault to find
With the execution. 'He thought his present decla-
ration ia.her inconsistent: As to the principles on
which he should act, they were those which Mr.
Pitt had sanctioned with his immoital name, and
he should think h-onself apolitical coward it he was
efraid to place his humble services,at the disposal
of the Prince Regent. It was for
,him (the Prince
lie,sen.) to command, and under that command
be world fight the battles of the Constitution with

at .croy.
Ac,“. the ',wow,- J's prink:iplc
seemed to be a orinciple, wheaevel he saw vii occa-
sion, to be for the Catholics, and whenever be saw
a fit occasion, to be against them. They were just
the saute on goi, g in as they were on coming out. ;
There was a distill& understanding that something
-s), as stipulated in favour of the Catholics, bat the
-Noble Lord had now dope that hope away, and all
he should say on it was, that there had been in the
highest quarter a most extraordinary misunderstand-
ing. The question was, whether the Awry would
have any Administration, for at present it had none.
Tie defended Lords Grey and Grenville, and main-
tained, that if the Catholics saw the Administration '
Inclined to accede to their claims, they would bo ready
. to give every security that could be required. With
resped to the Spanish qnestion, therecould be but one
honest wish in the couutry,namely,to make every ex-
ertion against I hecoMmon enemy. But it was indispt u-
sable to ascertain a correspondent disposition on the
-part of the Spanish Government, and to be assured
of our own means of supporting them. Ot Lord
' Wellington he entertained the highest opinion a
braver Officer, one more beloved by his troops, or
zealously attached to the interests of his country,
coned not exist. By why had Lord Wellesley re-
signed ? He presumed that he (Lord W.) had as
enthusiastic a feeling for the cause of Spain, and
that he -was as Statesman-Eke a 114inister as the
Noble Lord opposite. What
.was the cause of his
quitting office ? Was it 'the Catholic Question ?
Was it the state of our Finances I—Was it a diffe-
rence of opinion with respect to the assistance to be
rifforded to Spain ?-=The lamentable state of the
Government at the present moment, when all was
10.,5e conjecture, tendered the proposition fur
Committee on the State of the Nation sun wore
expedient.
Lord CASTLEREAGH explained, and adverted to
the fiucluation of conduit in the last AdmioistratiOn
on the Catholic Question.
Lord Telma contended, that, Lords Grey and
Grenville never had given up the Catholic as a Go-
v erument Question. Of Lord Grenville, it was not
permitted him to speak, but of Lord Grey, he
would say that there was no individual, however
great in talent, however aspiring in charader, who
would not gain more public credit by tollowing
such a man into retirement and obscurity, than by
accompanying any other Statesman to the highest
situations of profit and power. With respe& to the
offer recently made to Lords Grey at:d Grenville,
he spoke of it as proceeding from a responsible ad-
viscr of the Regent, and as such he must say that it
was meant to be refused at the time it was made.
Lord CASTLEREAGH and Lord TEMPLE mutually
explained.
The CHANCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER said, that
the 800. Baronet opposite, who had made the mo-
tion, had endeavoured to amuse the House with the
idea that it related to the numerous objets
preheoded by- him in his speech, when in fad it
atoonnted only to the question, whether or not, on-