The Sun.
London, England, 1815-06-13 00:00:00

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announced to tht country a new burden of
8,000,000/.
Lord CASTLEERAGII corrected the statement of
,bel'tiiHon. Gentleman. The wholercharge
'was 1,000,000/. for Sweden, 2,000,0001. eventu,
ally for the fortifications in sthe Netherlands, and
2,200,0001. for
Mr. Tuf.a adMitted that he had deduced an
erroneous conclusion, but contended that it was
one to which the provisions of the Treaty natu-
rally led. There was an important observation,
however, which he wished to make. Those con-
tracts then beibre them Were all dated in August,
181 1 and It WaS now the middle ofJone-, 1815,-
before_ the Noble Lord thought proper to‘pull
e
from his pocket, and call upon the House to
Make them goO(1. That was a heavy charge
ag,:iost the Noble Lord, allll one which lie was.
hound to explain before he quitted the House that
night-. He wished to understand iilso, why this
CountrY should pay those pecuniary obligations
that Nionged to idolland? We had kept her
Colonies„to be sure, but she was no loser, for she
_had gained the whole of; the Austrian N6ther-
ivhich he considered as a very good bargain
in favour of Holland. , Neither did he believe
Holland was so poor a; that arrangement implied.
He was Surer she possessed the means of paying
the debt by, those annual instalments 'which the
Noble Lord had mentioned. If, however, the
'whole five millions' which this Country stood en-
gaged for was to he made good solely in consider-.
atiou of the Colonies belonging to Hollandot hich
we retained, ha, had no hesitation in saying, it
was a most improvident•bargaitt. The Cape of
.Good .Hope had lost much of its value to this
Country, by ourposseSsiou of the Mauritius ; and
then, as to Demerara, Essequibo, and lierhiee, the
Noble Lord sure!' Inol not read his own Ti.eaties
when he talked of the advantage they would be to
our manufactures, by obtaining cotton from them.
\Vitt respect to the forti biolls in Holland', for
which the larger portion of the five millions was'
to be paid, .he thought it the most unreasonable
proposition that was ever 'submitted to I'arlia-
-n and the:. Noble Lord was boutoid to spew
that Holland was incapable of doing it for her-
self.
Lord CASTLEREAGH explained that the reason
arty the TreatieS, though dated in August 1814,
had not been submitted. e:lidier to Parliament,
was, beet-it:se that particular Treaty which' gave va-
lidity to them was not signed till the 19th 'of
May.
Mr. IVALLAcE stated the mode in which the
Isk-nd of Banca had devolved into the'possession
of Great Britain, arguing that it was a fair and
cc bl, ce' tuna• ,
Mr. FotitEs stated several facts that had conic
to his knowledge upon this point,• that gave it a
differeni complexion.
Mr. BANKES objected to the Treaty under which
the payment of the Dutch Loan was goaranteeil to
Russia by this country, liaViug formerly objected
to the of iginal Treaty, of which this 'Was to b.e
considereda branch.
Lord CASTLEREAGH observed, that it :was
wholly inconsistent with the practice of Parlia-
ment, and indeed with the established•system of
the Constitution, that Treaties should 'he laid
capon the table pending negociations, and on that
account, that which related to the question now
before .the House had been delayed. Undoubtedly
his Honourable Friend Possessed a very enlarged
mho!, but he had a singular facility in contract-
jog it to the narrowest view of the question ;
thus, while lie painted to the Umis,e so strongly
the inconveniencies. that might result from the
payment of this money,•he forgot entirely to cou-
sider.the alternative, of what might be the con-
sequences if the demand were not diScharged ;
- while he was censuring the Subsidies that during
the last war had been paid 'to our Allies, lie ne-
glcted to notice the brilliant events that it had
produced, and the-full equivalent that Great Bri-
tain-had derived for these sacrifices.
Sir JOH N NEWPORT dwelt upon the impolicy of
restoring the fortresses on the frontiers of Bei-
(r'um that mb,ht in future devolte into the hands .
of the enemy, and allow him to turn our own
weapons upon ourselves, while we, even when
we returned then), obtained no adequate ad-
vantage-.
Mr. BARING contended: that not the slightest
foundation
.had yet been laid for the proposition
of the Noble ,Lord ; he conceived that it was
quite7irregular for .Parliament to be called upon
to give its sanction to a Treaty before it had been
ratified by the foreign power with whom, it was
made. The value ef the Dutch Colonies was
great, but the truth was, that the Island of Goa- ,
daloupe alone was worth infinitely more than
all the Butch possessions in the West Indies
united.—He doubted even. whether it would
have been politic to hare accepted these co-
limits front the Dutch. The Cape of Good.,Hope
-could be of no use to us, Mauritius and St;
Ilelena heing in our, hands; the only object
which` was desirable was to keep the Cape of
Good Hope out of hostile hands, .hut in the hands
of the Dutch, 'our Allies, it would be safe ; so
that the only question WaS, who should bear the.
expellee There was one reason, to be sure, why
we should buy it—which was, that we
a
ladayGeaor-,
• eernor there,- in the, receipt of 0
,
In the co-
• hive supported the whole colon-
fcr twice which sunk tl►e r
lonies else) the Dutch were tiotY Dutchmen would
benefitlia ea joint trade
thiswith ourgelrea; for thou ii f
was to be
Fs', it would not be very
.easy to: /.resent those persons from exporting
goods which were not the produce of their own
estates. It was plain that the purchase of the Co-
lonies hail been the real, but that the business
6twas transacted upon other principles, which the
Noble Lord had styred grand views ; and that, in
fact; the States at Vienna being .dissatisfied with
tiieir shares of spoil, Great I.l;itain had stepped in
to supply all deficiencies "with her gold.
Mr. BATH I:BST thought too ....arrow a view 118(1
been taken by the opposers of the vote as they
had not considered the consequences which might
have resulted, if any Member of the Alliance had
withdrawn, itself during the last war, or thrown
itself into the,.opposite scale. The fortification of
the frontiers of. the Low Cornatries was the only
tueaps by which that country foul(' be made se-
chic, trod eonseqUently-of any advantage to .this..