The Sun.
London, England, 1841-10-20 00:00:00

changed its form of worship and its tenets, and to whom
the temporalities now enjoyed by the Protestant Church
had originally belonged, it gave no claim whatever for a
provision to the latter, who had, though from pure and
conscientious motives, voluntarily, and of their own act,
abandoned the Church established by law, and which the
community at large had acknowledged.
" The next great objection put forward would be that
the Irish Roman Catholic clergy might refuse to accept
the stipends offered them, and continue to exact the dues
and other payments as before. I cannot myself believe
that such would be the case ; for though I have described
the Irish priest as a political partisan, exercising
through his spiritual and temporal power an undue in-
fluence over his flock, I did not mean to say that such
a character was universal through the country, or to
doubt that amongst the priesthood might be found
numbers of excellent men who, though at present un-
able to resist the bad example given them by the more
turbulent of their order, would be happy to confine
themselves to the real spiritual duties of their ministry,
should circumstances permit them to do so, and who
would infinitely prefer receiving at the hand of Govern-
ment a regularly paid and sufficient stipend, to the more
irksome process of obtaining one, as they do now, by so-
licitation or threats."

We agree with the Noble Lord in supposing
that the Catholic clergy would not refuse to
accept the stipends. There never yet was a
priesthood which did not desire to be independ-
ent of their flocks, because they know that the
only diminution of their power arises from their
being obliged to levy contributions on their
votaries. Their spiritual power is wholly inde-
pendent of their incomes, and would be as great
when they were paid by the State, were
they to exert themselves, as when they were
paid by the people. To have munificent in-
comes, in addition to their spiritual influence—
to be enabled to relieve the wants of their poorer
communicants, instead of extorting fees from
them—would add the honours of opulence to the
dignity of the priesthood. If their wants
were provided for, they might become lazy,
and so lose their influence ; but, as the
general run of men would not suspect them-
selves of falling into such a vice, no apprehen-
sion of losing influence from that cause could
exist, and the Catholic clergy would, we pelieve,
accept an income from the State, were one suffi-
ciently large offered them.
Such an opinion seems to prevail in Ireland,
where liberal politicians, who have hitherto been
much aided by the priests, obviously dread their
defection, should an offer be made by the Go-
vernment. In other Protestant States, such as
Prussia and Hanover, the Catholic clergy are
salaried by the State ; and if no better reason
could be assigned for not adopting the plan than
that the Catholic clergy would not accept the
stipends, it might with confidence be intro-
duced into Parliament the first day that Parlia-
ment meets.

There is, however, one objection which Lord
ALVANLEY has overlooked, and which to us
seems stronger than those he has mentioned and
refuted. His Lordship has little acquaintance
with the people, however intimate may be his
knowledge of Clubs or of Parliament ; accord-
ingly he takes no notice of the growth amongst
them of the Voluntary system, which is hostile
to the payment of any priest by the State.
At present the Voluntaries, as they are called,are
neither few nor powerless; the bulk of them are
Protestants, and their aversion to taking Catholic
priests into the pay of the State, and erecting
another dependent Church in Ireland, is, we
believe, insurmountallle. All these are sincere
and earnest men, and no Government could
afford to increase the taxes on them, who pay
their own pastors, in order to pay the pastors of
another faith. It would be both an injury and
an insult, which would make the cup of their
grievances overflow.
Besides the Voluntaries, all the sincere Pro-
testaetts of the Established Church, both in
England and Scotland, would be decidedly
against paying the Catholic priests. They would
regard it as an abomination, and would fiercely
oppose it as a violation of their religion. The
journals of this party have already growled out
their disapprobation, and would speak in louder
tones, were Lord ALVANLEY'S project to be taken
up by any man of weight in the Administration.
We can assure all dandy politicians that there is
a growine, seriousness and earnestness amongst
the people, which will insist on the principles
they embrace being carried out, and which will
not sacrifice what it conceives to be right in
order to conform to the theories of phro.se-mak.
irg statesmen.

When the fierce Voluntaries (nearly all the
Dissenters) are added to the whole of the Pres-
byterians, both in Scotland and Ireland, and to
the strongly religious and Calvinistic of the
Church of England, it will be seen that the
strongest objection to Lord ALVANLEY'S plan is,
that it is impracticable. If it were practicable,
we think, speaking merely as politicians, that it
would not be desirable.

Lord ALVANLEY'S object in pr. posing the
scheme, is to make the priests cease to be poli-
ticians, and to bring their spiritual influence on
the side of the Government. He has no doubt,
if they were well paid, that they would become
somewhat idle, and less troublesome than at
present. He probably adopts the philosophy of
HUME (we speak of Davin), and would pay the
Catholic priests in order to extinguish their
zeal. HUME'S opinion, when he lived and wrote,
I was the reflection of the conduct of the English
clergy. They were then well paid, very indolent,
and troubled neither themselves nor their flocks
' much about religion. But the clergy have
assumed a new character since his time; they
have broached new doctrines, become great
sticklers for observances, and, so far as is com-
patible with the mild manners of the age, are
furious zealots. The Church has had a revival,
and at present is the guide, if it be not the mas-
ter, of the State. The exertions and lives of the
Dissenters began to seduce the flocks from the
clergy, their flesh-pots were threatened, and the
very revenues which it was supposed would lull
them into indifference, became the incentives to a
new and: harrassing zeal. Avarice strengthened
bigotry and fanaticism. HUME's doctrine, in fact,
is only true where Dissent is not rite ; and Lord
ALVANLEY, by adopting it when Dissent and
Establishments are struggling for the mastery,
has come to a very worthless conclusion.
What, under this aspect, would be the conse-
quences of taking the Catholic priesthood into
the pay of the State ? Ere long suspicions would
arise in the minds of their flocks. Then would
appear some ambitious and, perhaps, envious
men, who did not get a share of the emoluments,
and they would encourage and strengthen the
suspicions. It would soon be said and believed
that no Catholic priest could be expected to
speak the truth whose bread depended on a Pro-
testant Government, and very swn, in spite of
excommunication, there would be in Ireland a
considerable body of Dissenters. A new set of
priests, more zealous than the stipendiaries,
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The paid priesthood would in turn see their sala-
ries and influence threatened, and love of worldly
pelf would strengthen their desire fur spiritual
dominion. As in the case of the cler of the
Church of England, avarice would soon inflame
zeal, instead of producing indifference, and
would raise up another set of priests to share
the gifts. However much they maddened the
i people, they too must be bribed or bought off.
Lord ALVANLEY'S policy is something like
1 that of the Emperors in the decline of
Rome, whose mode of buying off the bar_
Ibarians and taking some of them into the ser.
lr, vice of the State, only made still more numerous
hordes penetrate into the empire to receive its
bribes, and enrich themselves by its spoils.
The suffering people. will perceive from the
readiness of Lord ALVANLEY, in despite of the
finances," to apply the public
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such urgent necessity, that he is willing-, ap-
parently,
to risk a national bankruptcy to achieve
it,—the suffering
people will see in this conduct
how little they are thought of by Members of the
Upper House. If the Exchequer were over-
flowing, the project would be contemptible ; - but
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