The Sun.
London, England, 1841-09-21 00:00:00

POOR-LAW-S.

Captain PECHELL, seeing the Secretary of State for
the Home Department in his place, wished .to ask him on
what day he proposed bringing in a Bill for the renewal
of the Poor-law Commission ?
Sir J. GRAHAM said that in the course of the even,
ing notice would be given of the day on which the mea-
sure-was to be brought forward.
CHURCH EXTENSION.
On Sir G. CLERK moving the Order of the Day for
the House resolving itself into a Commit tee of Supply,
Mr. HAWES said he wished to ask the Hon. Baronet
the Member for the University of Oxford if it was his
intention to renew 'during the present Session the motion
of which he had given notice last session on the subject
of Church Extension, and if not whether he intended to
bring forward the
Parliament? question duringthe ensuing Session of
Sir R. INGLIS said it was not his intention, during
the preset-it Session to renew the motion on the sub-
ject of ChurCh Extension, of which he had only given
notice last Session—(Hear, hear)—not having brought
the subject before the House since June, 18,10. With re-
gard to next Session he thought it better to postpone any
announcement on the subject until that Session should
arrive.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.)
LORD CHANCELLOit OF IRELAND.
Mr. TILIFNELL, seeing the Honourable and Learned
Member for Ripon in his place, wished to 110( the Right
Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth if there were
any truth in the report that it had been intended to ap-
point that Right Hon. Gentleman Lord Chaneedor of
Ireland. and if that intention had been abandoned ?
Sir E. SUGDEN said, that perhaps he had betn-T
answer that question. The statements which stated that
he had been appointed to that office were, in a general
sense correct, but the measures were not yet completed
for the displacement of the former officer and the ap-
pointment Of his successor.
Sir IZ. PEEL said there could be no doubt as to the
intention of conferring the appointment in question on
his Right Hon. and Learned Friend ; -and the ceremony
of kissing hands, which had not yet taken place, was all
that was wanting to complete the arrangement.
*POOR -LAWS.
Capt. PECIIFLI, said. v.,,1;!(1 :igreat 7
nicnce to many Eon. Members to know abut da it.
would be proposed to renew the Poor-law Bill,
the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir It. Peel), whom he hoped
the
his place, would affbrd them that information saw

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Sir R. PEEL said he meant to • give notice that ~,
should bring in the Bill to-morrow. As he had before
said, he intended to.resspose sic alterat.on whatever in
the provisions of the Bill, and as he •lieved that no
advantage would be derived from disetiSsi,•m under pre-_
sent circumstances, he intended to include
Bill in the general yearly Bills.
CORN-LAWS.
Mr. OTWAY CAVE said he would take' the °pi
portunity of entering his humble protest" agsin:
the Poor law
the course which the majority ot the 1-1-`)°l
under the guidance of the lion. Baronet at the broil o
the present Administration, had thought proper to i'air,suset
with regard to the Corn laws. He protested aglnil,
that course, because he hewed it would be considereo
the working classes at the present crisis as mar"
alike by inhumanity, by impolicy, and by inconsistency,
and when he coupled the course pursued, with the el--
pressions used by a Noble Duke in another place, 't°
the effect that their misery was in a great in'
sure their own fault ; that in this country such
a state of things prevailed that any working re..th'
with common honesty and common prade"lo
might secuso to himself a ceiveteney—althouoh
would not say with the Honotirat:e Member
bury that such conduct and langtOge was enotsgital
for Fins.
to drive the working classes mad, • vet he would
say that he •feared they would drive them to
ha'
er
spair. He coupled the expression -With at"
utteredon a different occasion by his Noble Friend the
Member for Liverpool; who stated that he th‘lllot ono
present Corn-laws in no way connected with•the Psir
osbio
distress. Such a statement, he thought, hig sett
Friend would find very difficult to - make •
the people of Liverpool believe, although proceetll4
from so high an authority. He also thought that
people would be exceedingly grieved when they Te?•tr
the assertion of tho Right Hon. Baronet the *Oct,
for Dorchester ; namely, that high prices were'
ss
be maintained at all -. times, • and' at • all bazar
When the working classes s.ead such expressions', allf
coupled wi:th it the fact that I..`eY
had shut the doe foe
the House of Commons against a starving poop l
. e it
five months, it needed no prophe't to predict • so-uo.
results Would ensue, or what ti:isendent'
Ife
prevail throughout the approachine• winter.
.rot
thought he might' say, moreover, that it was itte°ll„s„idcia
in the Right Hon. Baronet to ask for this dela;.' 7 an-
the month of April last, when the Noble Is°l- ger
nounced his measure respecting the Budget, the tiir
nourable Baronet said that even one Months de', ,
d
would, in reference to the Corn-laws, be an intolerat
n
evil, and yet, when three or four months had been atba
to that period, he still asked for fdur or five Ine';,ly.
longer. He could not but lament the inferences whices
he was afraid might be drawn by the starving and s„,11 for
ing manufacturing classes throughout the kinga°'-ssor
such conduct.—(Hear.) He thought he alreanY been
the totteriog of that Holy Alliance which had •
cemented between the Chartists and the Conseil's!)
tives.—(A laugil from the Ministerial beneb,c
Did Hon. Gentlemen never hear of Nottlrbtl-
diss
Ile thought the working classes would very soar' rol
cover that it would Lave been better to have surr sof
lukewarm friends than bitter opponents—that t'co
would curse the triumphs which in many i,t
soynsall
t''
they had been enabled to achieve, and Ittt oerit.
repent changing King Log fur the that
Many persons supposed before he came into office we
the Right Hon. Baronet was in possession of s°lost
panacea by which to cure the public distress' .e
this idea had been conferred by the lat:!;gtiis
of the Right Honourable Baronet himself. Inril
famous Tamworth speech he asked if a rtO
phySician would give his advice unless he w,lre
called in. The sentiment of the Right ll" 1-4—bitt'
was the opposite of generous and disintersested, had
even such as it was he had not acted up to it. licided
been regularly
.called; in, he had regularly 13t .e-
-. his - fee—(" No," from the Conservative bencW
and in proportion to the hopes and expectation `the:
he had excited in the.minds of the people would be t;tic,.
anger and . disappointment at his present eon",ioss
There was another question on which he was par`ot,
larly anxious to be informed by the Right Hon. liar°„cat
He begged to know whether the present GoVernl-re-
would persevere in bringing in the Bill relating t°tba
gistration in Ireland, which had been introduced h.c.45.
.
Noble Lord the Member for North Lancashire last os
sion? He (Mr. 'Cave) wished that it fell to sb,e
Honourable Gentlemen abler than he was to put tbe
question, but in the absence of one more competent, fie
conceived himself bound to do so.—(Hear, hear.)
that
regretted to say that he could not partake
confidence which a Noble Lord (Lord John
sell) who sat near him, said he had in the liberalv
a,
of the sentiments which the present Cabinet catertailleii,
with respect' to Ireland. He could not participate
such confidence when he saw holding the office of
1
Chancellor, the Noble Lord who declared that the 6;0
were " aliens in blood, 'aliens in language, and alieDsl;,
religion." lie could not share in that confidence when '
knew that the Noble Lord, who had brought in a disfrsllof
chising Bill for Ireland, held high place sit the coulletisia
the enief of the present Administration. He ee"s,s
not have perfect reliance on the stastements of 01%1
Noble Lords with regard to Ireland, lid their
lib
feelings towards it. He believed they hate, -I Ireland 'la,
a holy, a pure, and a perfect hatred.—(" C.h, oh ! fru
a el
the Ministerial benches.) They thought t: at Iselin a
!Ind the Irish were what they were described t°l39d ss
eertaJl class of newspapers. Not knowing Irs",," to
well as Le (Mr. C.) did, they • gave creden, 'etrY
every idle ilimour circulated about that
and, above all, thoe rumours respecting elections' tot
they thought it right 0 take the power of election Is
of their hands. Of the p:ivate and personal cri
of the two Noblemen who filh:i the stations of Secret2haract y,
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and Lord Lieutenant of irelanO, the -tight Iron'olo
ronet could not entertain a higher opinion than he hat
' C.) did • but, at the same time. 2.,e must say tadd
no Gentleman on either side of thy' House ''d° or
venture to assert that they were either e.'crlerie° fro-
practised politicians. The inference the people
11' °l'd be,
land would draw from those two appointments W°
that two politicians unaccustomed to managing ljudicir
affairs had been sent over to that country to " trY.
'prentice hands"—to. make an caperimentum 1.0
pore vili.—(Hear, hear, hear.) However well
~arf,-
tentioned those Noblemen might be towards Ireadd
still an impression would and did exist, that they n'tt,be
be controlled, and their best efforts frustrated, by fog
Lord Chancellor and the Noble Lord the SecretarVioa,
the Colonies. Therefore he entreated the Pight Itrig
Baronet to give him a clear and unequivocal answer Woo,
question. For let him tell the Right Hon. Gentleiliesf
if the people .of Ireland did not receive a ch'ialc
and unequivocal answer on that head, they would t
themselves justified in having immediate recourseola
political agitation as the least of two evils. If the
of that country remained perfectly quiet, they theirs
told told that they had no grievances—that it was s' of
agitating demagogues . who put the existenc'the
grievances into their hem's. If, on the contrarP „old-
got up an agitation against their grievances, they °sot
be told by English Minister.; that they would not g' os•
to clamour what they denied to justice. So levies
Ministers continued that policy abroad, which bad isf-
acted on by the late Noble Seefstary for Foreign tioa
fairs, and which had wrung a reluctant. adisa ilowe
even from that Noble Lord's political opponents, at h t,
and abroad''-Lo long as they continue that eourse'sith
long would: Ireland be proud of her connection teal
England.—(Hear.)
.If, on the contrary-, they 3101:
the evils of slaVery—if they attempted to isipnse •aisti'
degradation on Ireland—the Irish people we `lid be •
olf se
fled before God and man in raising the statkard
peal.—(Hear.) 104
Sir IL PEEL was understood to , say he shOti r tlO
leave to confine his answer to the questions ,4 ober
Hon. Gentleman to one subject. He (Sir s' the
Peel) certainly did not identify' himself with Lord
Bill brought forward by his Noble Friend (.
0-0 sic
Stanley). With his Noble -Friend and the I! If
he should leave it. He should be eiceccll;4,l
glad to see the admitted errors connected the
the system of Irish registration corrected ; but, Orect
other hand, he should be unwilling to attempt tdenrated
those errors by any limitation of the franchise gild be
to the people.—(Hear, hear.) His endeavour wellaire:
to reconcile these two objects, and such, he was ;40
`r
was the intention of his Noble Friend. He i,""aies,
to reconcile the correction of admitted
in the registration, with the preservation eithee
existing franchises or others of a similar extent. 11bjen
no intention to bring forward any measure on the s- ts‘e
at present, but he meant, with his Noble Friend, If
it into consideration, and the House would find, 000"
measure was brought forward, that they had
attempted to reconcile these two objeci.s.—(He
BOARD OF ORDNANCE A.ND TOP
MIRALTY. . f th'/
Sir C. NAPIER begged to call 'the 'attention to
Right Hon. Baronet to the administration of
Board of Ordnance. Hitherto it 'had 'been "0
customed to permit naval officers -to sit _0
possible to carry on business without them. st.le •co
rd, and lie could not conceive how it, ;0
present practice would be attended -
injury, and he thought it was paying averi.io.4
atshefrarivi duls3tlle
• compliment to the navy, that, oat of 600 CaPtti,-0P
and 200 Admirals, many of them having seats
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House, not one could be found capable of e~"
intrusted with that duty. Ile must
his
the
h read et t
of
t iilt
et aISO
Board been
a coivfilialikidinihraadltys pptrietssat
thought it would not be more absurd to make had
lLordChancellor or Archbishop of CanterburY-V,---t)be
h, er)—than to place a gentleman at the 1)00 °„e`
Admiralty who probably could not distinguish bt. :00
i a Ine -of-battle-ship and a frigate.—(Laughter.) "7, yin
complained of that Admirals and 3
officers. p 1,
should have to go u stairs, hat in ''.l:l'er°
to solicit the rewards of service
of those who
quiter incapable of appreciating what their services We r
ROBERT PEEL said that the Gallant se
taro was the' t
not quite correct . ins, stating
have a Board 0
naval officer at the Admiralty
the invariable practice. He did not intendt
ho
ic)nter into the discussion of the general question. buos-
elieved the Board, as constituted, rencral .5"
gave t,
faction,—(" No, no, no," very em tic^ll.- from
Napier, •I • P.
4 "
which occasioned much laeghter.)
„No .c 6111„..
Ca • P •
Captain ...F.cnw, and Captain PLumitionV.,-,,"
piaintsl that the Board should he constituted Wu •
naval officer. r'''s
cur 11. lIATIDINGE said he had sat live or si%:, „so
at the Board without a naval officer. As to the Ori'!u- )0'
he could only say that lie believed it would be ver:lo.4
d
jurious . not to have a military person Place-40'
it.—(Hear, hear.) He could not see how a
could know anything whatever of that departntenco
In answ'er to a question NIA() Lord PALMEI',,-ssel'i
by Sir EARDLEY WILMOT, respecting the
employed upon the coast of Africa, the Nni!e
v
said he had every reason to- believe taa
vessels were tLe cs .iiloved t
hut ~.0214 niffo as !F ztiwmation cc)" Iv;
Ho had, ii ever,
.sunt to make toe inquiry lams
Board of Admiralty. vssht
Mr. FIELD EN wished •to know from ay-40
Honourable -Baronet the Member f • TanlW"t"
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