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together in a few days, and the deputation desire
to have some official information on the subject to
communicate to them. Nothing could tie more retvonable.
lie did not wish to chargo upoti the Wesleyans the gift
or prophecy, but they did most certainly state that a
short time only would elapse before the Bishop of Exe-
ter would endeavour to introduce some measure similar
to that which he now proposed. It was not till within
this very late period that ti-le Right Rev. Prelate bad
discovered the necessity. of adding the stipends of the
schoolmasters to that of d.-acons. lie believed that if
the motion were agreed to, the result would be that the
whole of the funds v.it, d for the purposes of education
and founding schools would be expended in training
deacons for holy order,.—(llear, hear.) The eff ct of
this expenditure would be that each of these persons
would receive from the funds of the Committee,
For apprenticeship for five years 95
Expenses at normal school
services as schoolmaster

Making a total of £29o
to be expended in the formation of deacons for the Esta-
blished Church. He need hardly say such was not the pur-
pose of the Government in bringing forward their measure
and he hoped that their Lordships would not sanction
any departure from their intentions as embodied in the
minutes of Council on education, which bad received
the cordial assent of the Legislature. With respect to
the motion itself, he would beg to say that persons in
holy orders were not now ineligible to the office of
schoolmaster, but there was no doubt that it was inex-
pedient under cover of such a measure to augment to so
large an extent as was, to all appearance, the desire of
the Right Rev. Prelate to do, the number of persons in
connexion with the Established Church receiving funds
appropriated by Parliament for a totally distinct and
different purpose. He should, therefore, feel it his duty
to move the previous question on the motion of the Right
Rev. Prelate.

Lord STANLEY thought it unfair on the part of the
Government to lay down a rule at the request of the
Dissenters, debarring the clergy of the Established Church
from a participation in the benefits of the Government grant
as schoolmasters in connexion with the national schools.
He was not a bigot in education, and had no wish to
prevent the dissenting bodies from participating in the
grant for education, and if they were to urge that the
master proposed to be appointed to one of their schools,
belonged to the Church of England, they would be per-
fectly justified in doing so. lie wished, however, to
speak of the Dissenters with the greatest respect, because
a more disinterested and respectable body, and one more
desirous to promote the purposes of education did not
exist; but he did not consider that they had any right
to demand that a clergyman of the Church of England
should not have aid from the State for educational pur-
poses when he sought it.—(Bear, hear.) The
Noble Marquis said, that it was not their in-
tention to train up schoolmasters who might at a future
time enter into other pursuits, but he (Lord Stanley)
thought that if they were to enter into holy orders that
their services for the purpose of education would be far
better secured than they would if the present state of
things continued.—(Hear.) For instance, employment
as clerks on the railways, and in other occupations, which
are better paid than the office of schoolmaster, would be
sought after ; but if he were called upon to enter into
holy orders, such a state of things would not occur, and
his whole attention would be secured tor the purpose of
education. He did not think that the Noble
Marquis tad met the case put forward, and thinking that
this was an unjust exclusion, he should support the
motion. He thought, however, that the of of the
Right Rev. Prelate would be answered by the discussion
which had taken place ; and, therefore, he advised him
not to divide upon the motion.
The Bishop of NORWICH considered that if the
motion were carried by their Lordships, that it would
not be carried in the other House, because it would ex-
asperate the Dissenters, and these, as the Noble Lord had
said, were not times to turn from the work of conciliation.
Even it it were adopted, he did not think the thinking
portion of the Church would be satisfied with it, because it
would partake of an exclusive character, and would not
be tolerated. Still he thought that a schoolmaster
should be elevated to a higher office. He was most
strongly opposed to the funds of the country being ap-
propriated to those who at a future period were to be
paid by the Church. it was their duty, he thought, to
lessen the gap which existed between the Church and
the Dissents rs.

The Earl of CHICHESTER, saw no reason why
schoolmasters should not enter into holy orders, as he
believed that the prospect of their elevation would

induce them to discharge their duties with greater effect
than if they were simply to remain teachers. He was
opposed to this motion, because he thought that it would
not be for the benefit either of the schools or of the
Church itself. The Right Rev. Prelate had read several
extracts, which showed the anxious care which bad been
devoted to the system of instruction in schools, but he
hoped that that instruction would not suffer by the
absence of the honour which the Right Rev. Prelate bad
it in view to confer upon the schoolmasters. In opposing
this motion, be did not wish to separate the office of
schoolmaster and religious teacher, but he thought that
they would be much better left upon their present
basis, and therefore he could not give his assent to the
motion.

The Bishop of S •ILISBtiRY said that he did not
intend to enter upon the general subject which had been
raised in the course of this debate. He entirely con-
curred in what the Noble Marquis had stated with re-
spect to the arduous and difficult functions of the Com-
mittee of Council upon this subject, and he thought that
had such a proceeding as tho one recommended in the
motion of his Right Hon. Friend been advisable it would
have been adopted. lie thought that in order to allay
the unfounded jealousy which was entertained by cer-
tain persons in respect of the application of these funds,
the Government had laid down rules which might have
somewhat injured the Church of England schools, but he
was extremely glad to hear that such was not the case.
After a few words in explanation from the Bishop of
EXETER,
The motion was withdrawn.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS. June 11.
The SPEAILER took the Chair shortly before Four
o'clock.

REPORTS.

The following reports were brought up, and ordered to
lie on the table :—Lincoln's Inn Rating; Oldham Alliance
Railway; Rathmires Improvement; Caledonian Railway
(Purchase or Lease of Wishaw and Coltness Railway);
Inverness Municipal and Police, &c. ; Inverness Har-
bour and Navigation ; Tyne Docks ; Leeds, Dewsbury,
and Manchester Railway (Ossett Branch, and Dewsbury
and Morley Stations); Manchester, Sheffield, and Lin-
colnshire Railway (Ashton Canal Purchase); York and
Newcastle, Newcastle and Berwick, and North British
Railways Amalgamation ; Liverpool, Manchester, and
Newcastle-upon-Tyne Junction Rail% ay (Alteration of
Main Line and Hawes Branch) ; Northern Counties
Union Railway Deviation.
The reports on vie following Bills were further con-
sidered and agreed to:—Edinburgh and Northern Rail-
way (Improvement of the Ferry between Ferry Port on
Craig and the North Shore of the River Ti.y); Kilmar-
nock Police Improvement; London and North-Western
Railway (Orinskirk and Rainford Branch, &c.); Lynn
and Ely, Ely .and Runtingdon, and Lynn and Dere-
ham Railways Amalgamation; Stockport Manorial Tolls
and Bridges.