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London, England, 1841-02-13 00:00:00

CHAPTER 11.

Of the Different Modes in
practice for the Cure of
Strictures, by the Bougie,
till Catheter, the Lunar
Caustic, and Cutting In-
struments. The Author's
Mode of Cure.
CHAPTER 111.
On the Diseases where the,

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Barometer 99.75 fn.
Thermometer
Highest . 58
Lowest

Wind S. W.—Freezing Point 32 Deg.
A most decided and beneficial change has now taken
place. In the course of the night slight showers fell from
time to time, the snow and ice on the river arc gradually
disappearing, and in all probability it will be quite open
in a few hours. At present we have bright sunshine, with
every appearance of genial spring weather.

SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE.
(LLOYD'S.)

LONDON, FEB. U.—Wind this day at noon, light
breeze at S. W., with very mild hazy weather. There has
been occasional falls of light rain, with a rapid thaw du-
ring the n:ght.
LIVERPOOL, FEB. 11—. Wind S. S. E., fresh.—Sailed
the Rivals, Cuddy, for St. Thomas; Indus, Bruce, De-
merara ; Monument, Chuses, and Russell Glover, Hawes,
New Orleans; Sweden, Hornan, Boston.
Bats roL, FEB. 11.—Sailed the Ajax, Stark, Trinidad.

SHEERNESS, FEB. 11. The William, Allen, and
Brock (light colliers), are on shore on the Isle of Grain.
CLYDE, FEB 9.—Sailed the Mariner, Taylor, Savan-
nah; France, Marshall, New Orleans ; Janet, Wilson,
Buenos Ayres.
CORK, FEn. 9.—A schooner, with loss of main-boom,
and a ship, with loss of foreyard, were seen yesterday in the
Channel.

CARDIFF, FEB 11.—The Argyle, Cuttancc, of Pcn.
zance, is on shore at the mouth of the river Ely, with part
of her keel gone, and other damage.
Hum, FEB. 11. —Wind S.S.W. to S.W.—A great
quantity of ice is in ac Humber. The buoys have been
replaced by ice buoys.

SUPPOSED LOSS OF TIIE HEROINE.
This vessel, for which fears have been entertained for
her safety, has at last been heard of. The Glasgow
Courier, of yesterday, reports her having arrived at Ba-
tavia, since our last advices from thence. The Heroine
sailed from China about the 26th of June last, hound to
Batavia and London. Not having arrived at Batavia,
after allowing her a very long passage, she was supposed
to have been lost, and so strong was this supposition that
401. per cent, was refused upon her insurance.

AN UNLUCKY THIEF.-At the close of a day
of labour, Jean I3iaut, a conimissionnaire medaille (anylice
ticket porter), was ascending to his humble dwelling, au
siriemestage, or attic storey, when, to his great surprise, he
beheld a woman attempting to farce open the door
of his apartment, " Que diable " said the indignant
commissionnaire, " What are you doing there ?" " 11h !
c'cst vrai !" said the woman, " I have mistaken
the storey." (Je me tronipe d'etage,) "It would be
difficult to do that," said the facetious porter, " unless
you came in a balloon, seeing that mine is the first story
coming from heaven, though commonly called the sixth,
reckoning from earth." The woman had nothing with
which to meet this reasoning, and was about to take
herself off, when Biaut, seeing she had left a false key
behind her, which stuck in the lock, followed her,
and gave her into the custody of the police,
and she was taken before M. Deroste. As ill
luck would have it, at the very moment of her arrival, a
omit, who had the da.y before been robbed of nearly all her
clothes, came to prefer her complaint to the Court. No
sooner did she behold the prisoner than she exclaimed,
" Voila, my shawl ; voila, my gown l"—for such were the
borrowed plumes of the delinquent. Convicted of the
robbery in one case, and the attempt in the other, the pri-
soner was sentenced to be sent to St. Lazare.—Gazette
des Tribunaux.

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some years back, afford him the most perfect, ease by day or candle
light. lie is happy in his sight being co materially improved from
the use of their Spectacles, and feels it a duty to recommend them
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HOUSE OF LORDS, FEB. 11.
The E srl of SHAFTESBURY took hi.; scat on the
Woolsack at the usual hour.
The Bishop of LONDON presented a petition from
the Mayor, Aldermen, and Corporation of Lcc3s, in
ravour of the Bill for the Drainage of Buildings, and pray-
ing a General Drainage ane Sewerage Act for the whole
kingdom. The Right Rev. Prelate entirely concurred
in the prayer of the petition, being convinced that a'
great portion of all the disease in great towns arose from
ineperfi!et sewerage and ventilation. IL hoped her Ma-
jesty's Government considered the Bill b,fore the House
as only part of a system of sanatory relief for the whole
kingdom. He was convinced they would make
great advances towards improving the moral condition
of the lower orders, and towards bringing them within
reach of the appliances of religion, if they could im-
bue. them with habits of cleanliness. This was an oh-
ject well worthy of their Lordships' time, for he
b lieved that all other legislative enactments for
their benefit were useless, unless they could intro-
duce cleanliness into the habitations of the poor. It
was necessary the Government should take the lead for
this purpose. A voluntary effort had been made some
years ago, but the opposition to it, from interested mo-
tives, was so great, that it was found necessary toabandon
it. He hailed this Bill as the first, or almost the first, ap-
pearance on the part of Government to remedy this evil
of the poor, which lay at the root of all the evils of our
aoci.l and political position.—( Hear.)
Lord ELLENBOROUGH entirely con-
curred with the Right Rev. Prelate who had addressed
the House, that he preferred saying what he had to say
on this subject at the present moment, rather than
when the Bill should come before the House. He be-
lieved that all moral and religious improvement
of the poor was totally inconsistent with their
physical degradation, and that to build churches
and schoolhouses, and employ clergymen and school-
masters, was utterly idle—that it was beginning too far
from the real source of the evil—that it was all idle
unless they placed the poor man in a situation of self-
respect, and gave him a borne. That ought to be
their endeavour. He had not one now—(Hear)—he
was driven from the wretched piece of his abode
to the gin-shop ; his wife was driven there too by the
wretched condition of their abode. What the Legis-
lature should do was to give him a home, where his wife
might provide for him some degree of domestic
comfort, and where he alight spend his evenings
in its enjoyment. Without this all attempts to im.
prove the moral condition of the poor were ab-
surd. They must not shut their eyes to the fact that
a great practical revolution had taken place in the state
of society during the last century. Ths proportion
between the manufacturing and agricultural population
was altogether reversed, and with this change was alto-
gether changed the structure of society. The landed
proprietor was acquainted with the poor man who had
lived in his immediate neighbourhood, visited his
cottage, looked after all his comforts, and took
an interest in all his concerns. Farmers took an
interest in the well being of their labourers and servants,
and the poor cottagers were full of kindly feeling to-
wards those who were in a similar condition to
themselves. There was bond of connection be-
tween the agricultural population which made
them regard each other as members of one family.
This was not the case with the manufacturing popula-
tion. They were divided into two classes—great wealth
and great misery. There was no connection be-
tween them. Nothing was done, except in a few
rare instances, by those who derived benefits
from the exertions of the labouring manufacturer,
for his moral improvement. This was a fearful state of

society. He was sure it behoved Parliament to apply
every remedy in its power. His objection to the Bill
was not to its prospective regulations, but that it had
not a retrospective operation. The evil existed. There
were localities containing vast numbers of people, where
fever was domiciled, and where benevolent individuals
could not enter tsi!hout al:nost the certainty of con-
tagion and death. The truth of this was established
by the Report. He did not think the Courts, under
the ex sting law, were properly constituted —(Hear.)
He did not think that the Bill of the Noble Marquis
would' go far enough ; and he regretted that its provi-
sions would not extend to prov►ding for the ventila-
tion of towns. The Noble Marquis might have
been deterred in the framing of his measure, by an
tpprchension of interfering wi!h what were called
vested rights. He (Lord Ellenborougli) did not think
that reason sufficient. No man should be at Hinny
so to abuse his property as to affect the health
and endanger the lives of the community ;
and though he admitted that avarice had its rights, hu-
manitylad its, rights/also, and those rights ought to-be
respected. -thought the case was one which
required the immediate interposition of Governifient.
Tney had of late years increased in population, and
in wealth, but national prosperity and strength was not
the only subject for the labours of the Legislature, a
more important subject still was the moral condition of
the people. They might look with pride to the
result of the census and to the extent of
their commerce, but if they bad a demoralized popula-
tion increasing every day in wretchedness, there was
rottenness at the heart of the social structure, which
would soon extend to the Constitution. The revolutions
occasioned in society by the increase of the manufacturing
population was a most important innovation. In the
course of a few years that revolution had been accom-
plished, and had practically changed the whole frame of
society. He called the serious attention of her Majesty's
Government to the subject, and he was sure
that a more important one could not occupy their
inquiries. If no change were effected under it on
that head he agreed with the Right Reverend
Prelate that however excellent their laws, however
virtuous their designs, however good their principles
might be, they would never produce that moral and re-
ligious improvement in the character of the people which
they desired.

The Marquis of SALISBURY presented a peti-
tion from certain inhabitants of the parishes of St.
Martin's. in-the-Ficlds, and St. Anne's, Soho, com-
plaining of the delay in the formation of the
intended line of street leading from Coventry-
street into Long-acre, and praying for a
settlement of the matter. The Noble Marquis
wished to know whether it was the intention of the
Government Co persevere in the proposed undertaking.
Lord DU NCAN NON said that it was certainly the
intention of her Majesty's Government to carry out
the recommendations of the Committee who had sat
on the subject. The Bill would be brought in
as soon as possible!.

Lord GLENG AL L gave notice that he would take
the earliest opportunity of moving for a copy of a letter
said to have been addreFsed by Mr. Nicholls to the
Poor-law Guardians in Ireland.

DRAINAGE OF BUILDINGS BILL.
Lord NORNIANBY in moving the second rea,:ing
of the Drainage Building Bill, said that the importance
of the subject could not easily be exaggerated. The
Noble Baron opposite (Lord Ellenborough), who had
all cady alluded to the quesiion, had stated in the course
of his observations that he did not conceive that the
powers given by the Bill were sufficiently large. But
his first object would ha to allude to the state of things
which had produced those evils to whi h he was now

about to apply a remedy. If thirty e cal s ago such a
Bill as that had been passed by their Lordships, many
of those evils would not have attained their present ex-
tent, or would probably never have existed. As to the
ail itself, he intended to consider it as but one step in
the right direction, and he promised the Noble Lord
that he would endeavour to induce their Lordships to
continue in the course en which they were then about to
newmin ery,
but his first ob-
enter. The Bill d been proposed to their Lordships
with a view to direct the attention of the Legislature to
what was admitted to be a serioue evil. In introducing
the the measure, it had been his endeavour to have as little
mightrecour recourse af
found
possibleund
imperfect
to anyi
nits operation,aci)
ject was to apply the machinery already in existence, and
not to establish a new body for the purpose of carrying
out the measure. He was aware of the disadvantage under
which he laboured in dealing with the medical part of the
subject, but he would endeavour to allude, in as few words
as possible, to that part of the question. It was now a
towhichuniversally
heusmtaablish d
nature fac
proceeding from a disorganisation of animal and vegetable
matter. That was a poison which affected the constitu-
tion as surely, though not as speedily, as any other. It
human that very many of the diseases
s subject, arose front malaria
had been proved that that poison had a substantive exist-
ence ; and a certain portion of air saturated with that ma-
laria, and introduced into the veins of animals, had
been shown to he fatal. It had also been preyed,
that disease had been removed by the changes
whioh put an end to that malaria. There was
a Repnrt of a Committee of the House of Commons,
from which he would quote a few instances, by way of
illustrating that assertion. In Euston-square, at the ter-
minus of the Birmingham Railway, there was an open
ditch, in which the drains of the neighbourhood discharged
themselves; and the consequence wa4, that typhus or seine
other description of fever usually prevailed in that dis-
trict. The ditch, however, was covered in, and fever had
never since been known to prevail in the neighbourhood.
A similar case occurred in High-street, Holborn, where
fever prevailed for want of a sewer adjeinine a slaughter-
house. The sewer was made, and the malady had disap-
peared.
If there should be a Central Board of
Inquiry
appointed, he was satisfied, whatever Board might be,
that it ought to be distinct from the Poor-law Commis-
sioners. The Noble Lord, after mentioning several dis-
tressing cases of misery and poverty that had been re-
ported to him, drew the ettention of their Lordships to
a calculation which had heon furnished by Dr. S. smith.
We understood .tho Noble Lord to say that it appeared,

from those returns, that fever was co-extensive with pau-
perism, and in one parish, that of St. George the
Martyr, fully six-sevenths of the paupers were attacked
with fever. But in that estimate a large portion of the
labouring population was not included, and therefore it
fell far short of the whole amount of disease. That the
want of sewerage was a principal cause-of fever appeared
from two maps which accompanied the Report. One
of these was a map of the sewers, and the other of the
course of the fever, which were exactly the inverse of
each other—the fever having travelled in the opposite
direction to the sewers.—(Hear, hear.) The deficient
drainage, however, was not the only cause. The crowded
and badly ventilated State of the habitations in the peorer
neighbourhoods tended greatly to propagate the disease.
Dr. Smith and Mr. Fennythoruc stated ins:ances of three
and four families living in one room, and one instance of se-
venteen persons living in the same room by day, and sleeping
in it by night. The mass of misery thus laid bare did not,
such was the colossal state of the society in which we
lived, make any visible impression on the statistical re-
turns of the empire,. but he was sure the evils that were
found: exist in many portions of it only required to be
know,n to secure the assistance of those who were ever reey
to stretch forth the band of charity to those who needed its
assistance. And when he remembered how much to the
credia of the benevolent in our commun:ty was raised from
public s 3 mpathy, to ameliorate the condition of the dis-
tant negro, he felt quite certain they could not be indif-
ferent to such a state of things as this within the very bills
of mortality, in which their own fate was recorded, when,
at slight cost and little trouble, they would be able to
avert so much disease and death from so large a portion of
their fellow-countrymen and fellow Christians. He had
hitherto confined his attention to the metropolis, and had
stated that, great as these evils there were, they made no
visible impression on our statistical returns, but if they
turned to the great manufacturing districes he was agraid
they would there find a different state of things. The
Noble Baron (Lord Ellenboreugh) had alluded to a fact
their Lordships should never lose sighteola-that within the
last 50 years the proportion between the agricultural and
manufacturing population had entirely; changed. But at
the seine time there had beeii an immense increase of
population, and they must find some, consolation in the
immense increase in the amount of produce. Ile had not
yet received the report from Manchester, and was unable
to trace back the mortality during the latter part of the
last century, bat from another record he found Sir Gilbert
Blaine stated the mortality for the following years was as
follows :—ln 1757, one in twenty-five. In 1770, one in
twenty-eight, In 1779, one in fifty-eight, and, in 1811,
one in seventy-four. Inquiries on this subject had lately
been instituted in the city of Calcutta, and a Committee
appointed on the subject, who, much to their credit, re-
commended that any sacrifices that were necessary should
be made to remedy the evils arising from want of drainage.
In this Report mention was made of the efforts in this

cause of the Marquis of Wellesley, the, greatest statesman
India ever saw ; and, as nothing was too great for his con-
ception, so nothing seemed too small to escape his atten-
tion. The Committee recommended carrying into ef•
fect his Lordship's propositions. This Committee expressed
the greatest admiration at what was doing in England,
even in the manufacturing towns. At the present mo-
ment their exact state could not be ascertained, as the census
was not completed ; but if they took the population which
in 1831 was 2:36,000, to be now in round numbers 280,000,
the deaths last year being 9,276, it would be found the

nuariber of deaths in 1841, exactly thirty years after the
last date in Sir Gilbert Blaine's Report, had exactly
doubled. If they turned to Glasgow, they would find Mr.
Symonds, a great authority, said, " I have seen human
degradation in some of its worst phases, both in Eigland
and abroad, but I can advisedly say, until I visited the
wynds of Glasgow I never saw so large an amount of filth,
misery, and degradation, existing in any one spot in a civi-
lized country." _ _

In 1821 the deaths were 1 in 39
1831
1835 1 in 29
1839 1 in 26
1840 1 in 25
Then, as to Liverpool, the calculation made by Dr. Bow-
ring was, that there were good cellars, and that 35,000 of
the working population of Liverpool lived in these good
cellars. Toe mortality in the cellars was thirty-five per
cent. more than it ought to be with reference to the
rest of the population ; alma 86,400 lived in clos courts,
in which there eras no under drainage whatever. It was
unnecessary to enter into a detail of what must be the
consequence of such a state of things, but Dr. Bewring
had stated in his report, the stencil was so horrible
that it could not be endured. The condition of the
people of Hull was better than the condition of the popu-
lation of some other large towns; but Hull was rising
into great importance as a sea-port town, and many of the
new buildings were liable to every possible objection, and
which it was the intention of his Bill to thwart. It was
unnecessary to go through the other large towns, but he
would just mention a fact which showed how unhealthy
these populous and large towns, to which he had particu-
larly alluded, must be—that in Manchester the deaths of
children under three years of age, in 1839, were 498 in
1,000 ; in London, 398 in 1,000 ; in the agricultural parts
of Yorkshire 282 ; and in Northumberland 253. 'Die
deaths in Manchester above 70, in 1839, were oily 53 in
1,000 ; in the metropolis 99 in 1,000 ; in the agricultural
districts of Yorkshire 202 in 1,000 ; in Northumberland
210 in 1,000. It was not his intention to extend the pro-
visipns of the Bill to Scotland unless he could adapt them
to the machinery at present in use in that country. He
had no objection to the Bill being extended to Ireland.—
( Hear, hear ) Indeed he could safely say, from his know-
ledge of Ireland, that there was no country on the face of
the globe that stood more in need of such a measure. Ile
felt the importance of public walks, and of affording to
the labouring classes an opportunity of social coinnv•ation
in free air. That, as well as public baths arid burying
grounds, were subjects weil worthy of their Lordships' at-
tention. The Noble Lord, in conclusion, moved the se-
cond reading of the Bill, and trusted that their Lordships
would not only pass it, but continuo to give the matter
their most serious attention —( Hear.)
The Marquis of SALISBURY not only concurred in
the absolute necessity of some such measure as that which
the Noble Marquis had introduced, but agreed that it was
the duty of their Lordships to correct the evils, which were
of very great magnitude, it was intended to remedy. His
only objection to the Bill was that it did not go far enough.
He had, however, no intention of opposing the second
reading of the Bill, although it interfered with many exist-
ing rights, and introduced many provisions which had not
been so carefully considered as they might have been, or
as a Committee of their Lordships' House would enable
them to be. He proposed, therefore, that the Bill should
be referred to a Select Committee up stairs, and in doing
so he considered he was not only furthering the laudable
object which the Noble Marquis had in view, but that the
Bill would be rendered more perfect, and that a great deal
of time would be saved.

The Earl of WICKLOW concurred in the objects of
the Bill : but he thought that it was imperfect in its de-
tails. He regretted that it did not provide for the better
regulation of burial grounds, which, in his opinion, called
for the interference of the Legislature. He should wish
the provisions of the measure were extended to lodging_
houses, in which parties often succeeded others who had
died of fever or some other malignant disease. Ile was
also sorry to find that Scotland was to be excluded from
the operation of the Bill ; as there was no part of the em-
pire snore in want of such a measure than that country.
It appeared that in Glasgow the manufacturing popula-
tion were not allowed to remove the dirt which had accu-
mulated in their neighbourhood, because the landlords
claimed it as their property ; and in Edinburgh public
sewers were often turned into the adjoining meadows, for
the purpose of manuring them, to the great danger of the
health of the adjoining ppulation. Ho thought these
were evils which required the interference of the Legisla-
ture. The Noble Earl proceeded to object to the clause
requiring that no cellars should be occupied as dwelling-
houses. Such a provision could not be enforced in such
towns as Liverpool, where it had been proved that 40,000
inhabitants lived in cellars. lie also wished that some
remuneration should be granted to surveyors.
The Marquis of WE STMINSTER here observed, that
those subjects should be best discussed before the Select
Committee, which, he believed, it was the intention of the
Government to appoint. ~

The Marquis of N ORM ANB Y was willing to consent
that a Select Committee should be appointed ; and he
thought it would be better to submit to that Committee all
objections of detail.

The Earl of WICKLOW observed that, he would in
that case reserve any further remark he might have to
make for the Select Committee.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH wished to know
whether all the provisions of the Bill were to extend to
Ireland,

The Marquis of NOR VANBY said, that the provisions
of the Bill were to be extended to Ireland, although he
did not know whether it might be found advisab!e to cm..
ploy the same machinery in that country as in England.
It was certainly his intention to see a similar Bill intro-
duced into Scotland, but he thought it would be better to
leave the framing► of it to some of the law-officers of that
country, as the Bill might have particular interests to deal
TV i LII.

Bill was then read a second time ; and ordered to
be rc.ferred to a Select Committee, which was appointed
for Friday next,

Their Lordships then adjourned till Tuesday.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, Fb:R. 11.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour.
This being the last day for presenting petitions for
Private Bills, a great number of such petitions were
presented.

111 r. LOCKHART presented petitions from the
Glasgow, I)undillon, and other Railway Companies in
Scotland, praying for leave to bring in B:lls to amend
their Acts.

The Committee reported in the cascs, of the Leaming-
ton and Warwick liAilway that the Standing Orders
had been complied with, and leave was given to bring in
a Biil.

l'ne Eastern Counties Railway Bill was read a first
time.

On the motion of Mr. T. WOOD, the London and
South Western Railway Bill was read a second time.
Sir MATTHEW WOOD presented a petition for
a Bill to incorporate the Oakwood and Argoed Coal
and Iron Company.
Mr. GODSON presented a petition from Kidder-
miaster, praying to be heard by Counsel against the

- - - - Mr. O'CONNELL presented a petition from an
individual whose name was not heard in the gallery, com-
plaining of the pernicious effects of combination
amongst the workmen in the printing trade, and pray-
ing the House to adopt an adequate remedy. Tim
Hon. Member then gave notice that he would on
Tuesday move that the petition be referred to a
Committee, with a view to prepare a Bill upon the
subject.
Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from a place
in Ayrshire, praying for the total abolition of patronage
in the Church of Scotland.
In answer to questions from Sir E. SUGDEN,
Lord J. RUSSELL said that it was not his inten-
tion to bring on the second rearing of the English Re-
gistration Bill at a late hour that night ; he would not
bring it on after eleven o'clock. IF he could not bring it
on that evening the Administration of Justice Bill would
be brought on on Monday for a second reading, and not
the Registration Bill. With respect to the second
question of the R;ght Hon. Gentleman, it was cer-
tainly the intention of the Government to oppose the
Bill which the Right lion. Gontl2man proposed to in-
troduce on the subject of the administration of justice
in the Privy Council and the House of Lords. But
he could not say in what stage of the measure be
would offer it his oppositi in.
Sir W. WYNN presentel a petition from some cler-
gymen in the Deanery of St. Asaph's, praying for the re-
peal of the Act which united the diocese of St. Asaph
and Bangor. It was ordered to lie upon the table.
Mr. EMERSON TEN NENT presented a petition
from Manchester in favour of the Copyright Designs
Bill. Ordered to lie upon the table.
Mr. COLQUHOUN presented a petition from the
county of Stirling, against any further grant to the
College of Maynooth.
Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. LOCKHART presented a petition from the
manufacturing firm in Kilmarnock, in favour of the
Copyright. Designs Bill. The petition was ordered to
lie upon the table.
Mr. GODSON gave notice that on the 233 of
February he would move for the appointment of a Com-
mittee to inquire into the present state of the Com-
panies for the insurance of Lives.

Mr. MILES gave notice that on the House going
into Committee upon the Poor-law Bill, he should move
certain amendments.

Mr. E WART gave notice that on the 20th of Fe-
bruary he should move for the appointment of a Com-
mittee to inquire into the state of the Pauper Lunatic
Asylum at flinwell.
Mr. MILES moved for a return of the abstracts of
the accounts of the several county treasurers of Eng-
land and Wales for the year 1840.
The motion was agreed to.
Mr. E WART begged to ask the Noble Lord at the
head of Foreign Affairs whether there was any proba-
bility of the reduction of the duty upo❑ Neapolitan oil,
which the Hon. Member said had now twice as much
duty upon it as any other oil ? Also, whether it was
intended by the Government to bring forward a Bit
with respect to the transfer of goods, by document, be-
tween principal and factor ?
Lord PALMERSTON replied that with respect

to Neapolitan Oil it was intended to propose an alter-
ation, but he could not give any precise information as
to the extent of the reduction. In answer to the se-
cond question, the Noble Lord said it was the inten-
tion of his Noble Friend, Lord Clarendon, to introduce
a Bill on the subject in the other House.
LORD KEANE.

Mr. HU NIE wished to put a question to the Hon.
Baronet at the head of the Board of Control, in relation
to a matter which, he thought, required explanation.
He (Mr. Hume) held in his hand some pipers
which contained grave charges against Sir john,
now Lord Keane, of conduct which, if unex-
plained, appeared to him to put an end at once
to the question of rewarding his services. It was ne•
cessary to remind the House that on a late unfortunate
occasion during the warfare in AtTghanistan, the 2,1
Regiment of Bengal Cavalry behaved in a most dis-
graceful manner, refusing to advance at the command of
their officers. An inquiry was very naturally instituted
as to how this was originated, and it was attributed to the
circumstance, that shortly before one of the men had
been condemned to death without trial and without in-
quiry. Every paper in India had repeated this state-
ment. The charge was that Sir John Keane had given
orders to shoot and destroy that trooper, that he died in
consequence of the wound he received, that the regiment
demanded inquiry, but no inquiry was allowed, and the
matter was hushed up ; the circumstance remained in
the breast of the regiment,unti! the occasion to which he
referred. The regiment behaved so bad that they were
disbanded, disarmed, and marched hack to Bengal. He
thought that when a charge so atrocious as that of murder
was made against that gallant officer, it was very ne-
cessary that an opportunity of explanation should be
given. The Honourable Member then proceeded
to read some extracts from letters which had
been written in India upon the subject, ex-
pressing surprise that, for the satisfaction of the army,
and for the sake of the Commander-in-Chief,
the matter had not undergone official investiga-
tion, and calling for immediate and full inquiry.
Tire Hon. Gentleman then proceeded to read extracts
from an article:in a newspaper called the Agra Ukhbar,
headed as being written by their " own correspondent,"
in which the writer said that he had heard that a cer-
,.

tificate had been obtained by Lord Keane, to the effect
that the soldier did not die of those wounds which had
been inflicted upon him. He would ask of what use
could such a certificate be, as the law of England de-
clares that an attempt to murder is an act as criminal as
the murder itself. But the extract to which the Hon. Mem-
ber wished to call particular attention, was to the effect
that although the unfortunate victim was but 8 0 yards
distant from the tent in which he (the Commander)
was at the time, he took no opportunity of ascertaining
what the man was about, but instead of so doing, he
found a ready sycophant to execute his orders. 'l' hat
was, continued the Hon. Gentleman, the substance of
the charge.

Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE expressed his surprise that
the Hon. Gentleman, in quoting the extracts just read
by him to the House, did not use the exact words as
they were given by the correspondent of the journal
named, and also that he should be swayed by the calum
nious assertions of a newspaper, and above all, of such
newspapers as were published in India, which were gene-
rally filled with gross calumnies upon those persons of
distinction in India whose opinions or principles on certain
matters might differ from those of the writers. He
was, however, glad that the Hon. Gentleman had not
waited for the vote which his Noble Friend was going
to propose, but that if he thought there was anything
for their consideration or the consideration of the
House in those rumours as to the conduct of Lord
Keane, he first called for an explanation. It
was indet d a matter of surprise to him (Sir J. C.
Hobhouse) that upon the authority of the correspon-
dents of such newspapers as those to which he had al-
ready a lverted, he (Mr. H.) could have thought it possi-
ble that any English general officer would be an accom-
plice in a murder under pretence of discharging his duty
'rue Hon. Gentleman had read extracts from certain
newspapers, copies of which he (Sir J. C. Hobhouse)
then held in his hands, and he was certainly surprised
that when the lion. Gentleman reed those newspapers,
he was not shocked at the terms in which the charge
was made.—(Hear, hear, from Mr. Hume.) Was this
charge ever heard of before Lord Keane left India
There were gentlemen present in that House connec-
ted with the East India Company. He saw a Directorim
opposite, (Mr. Hogg), and he would ask him
whether he had ever heard, or whether the Court of
Directors had ever had the slightest cognizance of any
such fact, or of any such charge having been made?
When he (Sir J. Hobhouse) saw the charge in the
inggruoiurendimfnolre'ilti-.
an
teewi
ys p
wa pheertsh,
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tmh
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wasit his t
hbeu s i
snlei
gs sh t
eto s t
He sent to the East India House and the gentle-
men there informed him there was none. He
next inquired is his own department, and
found there was no account of any such occurrence,
Then of course it became his duty, for he had no other
application to make, to inquire of the parties accused,
of those who were in the campaign with Lord
Keane, and he had also inquired of Lord Ronne
himself, for he felt that p
eate chargesaciay if it W
il ofthiLsotortbweabsrnooutotiot
beforebepa
ssedlightly over,
Parliament in order to prevent an h o
half a
r (cle)111 e
officer, who had served his country nearly
tury,erud
receiving those
ose honours
hadthatursfelt
wereitduielisto
_ ( L
that 'neither the stories of an <<duty,
Old Correspondent,'
or of " Injured Innocence," should be allowed to
take away the character of an old British General.—
(Cheers.) The truth of the case was this; he would j

ut the House in possession of the facts, and then leave
it to judge whether there was any ground for the accu-
sation. lie was sorry to be obliged, in narrating these
facts, to criminate a portion of the Bengal cavalry that
hail advanced into Affghanistan, but had not distin-
guished itself in a worthy manner. Lord Keane was
informed that the second regiment of Bergal Cavdry
was disorderly, and that they were about to comnrtt
depredations upon the standing crops of a village, the
principal men of which came to Lord Keane himself is
his tent, and, upon their knees, implored him to protect
that which was to b© their food for the next half years
Lord Keane immediately:sent for the Provost-Marshal,
and said that he could not permit such disgrace to be
brought on troops which had previously distinguished
• themselves fcr discipline and good conduct, and who
were advancing into that country, for the purpose of
restoring the Monarch, whom the Governor-
General of India had declared to be the legiti-
mate Sovereign. He therefore ordered the Pro-
vost-narshal to place a certain number of videttee
around the fields of corn; and: to prevent any perste.
from advancing into them to cut down their corn or to
feed their hcrses, he ordered the videttes to fire at
first over the heads of the marauders ; but at
all events not to allow the outrage to be committed.—
( Hear, hear.) Lord Keane felt that he could not allow
the character of the British army to be di;graced by
such marauding.—( Hear, hear, hear..) Ile (Sir
John Cam Hobhouse) believed that when the Noble
Lord gave these orders he meant that they should be
• obeyed. The second regiment of Bengal Cavalry
went to maraud at night, and the infantry vitiates did
• fire over the heads of the marauders. One man was
wounded in the leg, and he (Sir J. H.) was told that
he died of the wound. But he would say that if that
• sepoy had been shot on the spot it would be perfectly
' justifiable.—(Cheers.) He thought that if every per-
son who was guilty of trespass upon a people who had
no part in the war were shot, and Lord Keane were
brought before this or any other tribunal in the world,
he should ba acquitted for shooting them.—(Cheers.)
If he had not given these orders he would indeed de-
serve the villanous abuse which had been heaped upon
hie head. Having now justified Lord Keane from
that charge, he might be permitted to appeal to
these gallant officers who heard him, for that Noble
Lord's character.—( Hear, hear.) They were more
competent than he to pronounce an opinion upon such
a subject, but he would take leave to tell this
one fact, that during the whole advance, not
only was there no man punished with death, but
positively, no corporal punishment of any kind was in-
dicted on one single soldier, either of the native troops
or of the British regiments.—(Loud cheers.) 'Then:
was not a single court-martial for the trial of any
serious offence during the whole of that very
important and arduous campaign.—(Loud Cheers.)
Ho trusted that he had said enough to convince the
House that the death of the sepoy was not owing
to the conduct of the Noble Lord, or formed
any ground for the House to refuse the. vote
now asked. He was sorry to be obliged to detain the
House, but he considered it necessary to go into some
details, and the point to which he had now to ad-
vert gave him more pain than even the grossly
calumnious charges made against the Noble
• Lord. The House might be aware that a disaster
befcl our troops in Upper Scinde. There was no im-
putation upon the officer then in command ; he was
attacked by seven or eight times the number of his own
troops. No imputation attached to him, but
we were so unused to any reverses that the
B imbay • Government very properly ordered an imme-
diate inquiry, in order to find out the cause of the dis-
aster. Certain officers assembled—there was a Major-
General, a Colonel, and two other officers engaged in
the inquiry. The House would be surprised—he had
almost said. shocked, to hear, that before the Report of
that Inquiry could have reached the Commander-in-
' Chief for revision or approval, that Report appeared
in a B nnbay Newspaper just at the tune the
packet was about to sail—just at the time
that it was most calculated to injure the Noble Lord,
and that report was certainly one of the most extraor-
dinary military reports which had ever appeared.—
(Hear, hear.) That report, which so appeared in
the newspapers, must have emanated from sonic
one who was engaged in the inquiry—there
could be no mistake on that head, and, as long as he
had the honour of holding his present situation, he

would think it his duty, and so, be behaved, would the

Court of arectors, to proceed in the only proper
manner against those who had so shamefully
abused the confidence placed in them.—( Hear,
hear.) He begged pardon of the House
for detaining them so long, but he would not have per-
formed his duty bad he not said so much in favour of
the Noble Lord who, after 50 years of service had been
so cruelly maligned in a rascally paragraph in a News-
paper. He trusted the House would do justice by
agreeing to the motion.
Mr. WILLIAMS begged to know whether it was in-
tended that the Governor of India or Lord Keane should
institute proceedings against the authors of the statement ?
Sir J. HORHOU SE said the Government had been
so shocked at the appearance of the Report of the Military
Commission, that they had thought it their duty to call
upon the officers to explain how it had found its way to
the public. In answer to what his lion. Friend had said
relative to the conduct of the two squadrons of Bengal
Cavalry, Col. Denny, who commanded them, had stated
that their conduct was so bad that they had been disbanded.
An HON. MEMBER said, as one of the Directors of the

East India Company, he felt it Ilia duty to state that he
tel;eved there was not a syllable of truth in the imputations
upon the character of Lord Keane.—( Hear, hear.) And
with regard to Major Clibborn's disaster, he believed Lord
Keane had no more to do with it than any lion. Iliftizber
of that House.

Mr. HOGG said, when the Hon. Member for Kilkenny
had mentioned the rumour to him he (Mr. Hogg) had
expressed his horror and disbelief of it, and he stated that
no such rumour had reached him. Next day he went to
the India House, and knowing that the news %I reach
the Chairman in the first instance, he had inquired of him,
and had ascertained that no communication on the subject,
public or private, had reached him. Now would the House
believe that if there was the remotest foundation for it
no report would have been forwarded to the EaSt Ind:a
Company or the Home Government ? He believeil the
statement to he utterly unfounded.
Mr. HUME wished to correct one statement of the

lion. Member, because he had not introduced the state..
ment relative to the Military Commission. He would
ask the House whether, when individuals gave their names
to a newspaper, the paper would dare to publish their
statements if they were altogether devoid of truth ? He
hoped the explanation of the Hon. Gentleman would prove
correct.

Sir JOHN C. 11013HOUSF, begged to remind the
Hon. Member that there was no name to the statement
in the newspapers. Had any name been affixed to the
villanous charge, for he could call it nothing else, an op-
portunity would have been afforded of inquiring into the
truth of the matter.

Mr. O'CONNELL said—Was not this quite manifest,
that if those persons were ready to give their names they
had the India House and the Board of Control to make

their complaints to? It was really too herd that the cha-
racter of a Gallant Officer should be assailed in that way.
—( Hear, hear. )
Lord 110 \VICK said the explanation of the Rtht
Hon. Baronet was as satisfactory as possible ; and he
would be glad to bear the Hon. Member for Kilkenny say
that the explanation was satisfactory.
Sir HUSSEY VIVI AN understood that Lord Keane
had never heard of the man's death until he saw it in the
Agra Uckhbar.

✓The House then went into a Comm' ttee of the whole
House, to consider her Majesty's gracious message relative
to Lord Keane, Mr. BERNAL in the chair.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL said it was unnecessary for
him to make any statement relative to the merits of Lord
Keane, or the conduct of the expedition Linter his com-
mand. These points had been sufficiently dwelt upon
when the vote of thanks was passed. His Right
Hon. Friend the President of the Board of Control had
then made a statement which would enable the House to
judge of the gallantry and good conduct of the expedition
c
by which the integrity and strength of
circumstances
what
nn,dsakc opposition
could was
osition
np
chuemisntdainacne s i ryas
quite
Empire
had been maintained. Under these s
quite impossible to imagine upon
could be raised. The proposal he had
gtou
somewhat similar to the case of Viscount
p to be rewarded the House h bc
great confidence proposed the
resolution, reserving to
chimself the right to reply to any
adharaairceteardy of
pronounced the scrvices
isto,
opinion. He therefore with
Nbmight-olbe raised by the Hon. Member for
Lord then moved that a sum of
twosh ed
next sersvuiervesiv ofitig Lhoeridrs. Keane,
a
ob
Kilkenny.-cti o ns which
The
000/. per annum be granted out of the consolidated fund
be con
Sir R. FEEL would not wait to hear the objections of
the Hon. Gentleman, so perfectly satisfied was he of the
d
justice and sound policy of the grant, and he could not
a-nsi
tr o reward for the
continued
to distinguished
u i
anticipate that any objections of the Hon. Gentleman
could shake his opinions. In the position in which he
then stood, he felt proud of the opportunity of seconding
the resolution, although, technically speaking, it did not
require a seconder. Ile would not be dissuaded from that
course by the opposition that had been threatened, nor the
preliminary discussion that had taken place with respect to
the merits of Lord Keane. He cared not whether Lord
Keane prosecuted the paper or not, and he should be sorry
to impose upon the Noble Lord the necessity of prose-
cuting the scandalous attacks upon his fair fame, as the
test of his honour and his innocence.—( Hear, hear.) Ile
thought every Hon. Member's feelings would sus:ply au
answer to the charge. The party, when be signed the
communication as " Injured Innocence," should have made
it " Detected Cowardice."—(Cheers.) Hu would not
disturb the unanimity that appeared to prevail in the, house
by a reference to any political
questions. lie thought
that it was a general rule, that when the Gown conferred
honours of that kind, it was necessary to support those
honours by pecuniary grants. It was, he thought, also a
generalone d aas
rule,
soon
sa t
possibleth e distinctions
b a
proposal conferred
fora
r a shouldpe pecuniary
ifaorly-
lgrant, Ile believed it necessary to notice these matters,
in order to protest against any delays on whatever grounds
being established as a principle in cases of this nature.
By whatever test he tried the military merits of Lord
Keane and his army. he (Sir R. Peel) was bound to say
that that general officer was highly deserving of the vote
new proposed. Hire tried those merits by the privations and
suffering endured by the army under his commend, that
army submitted to the greatest privations, and overcame
the greatest difficulties by their obedience to command
—by that example of discipline which distinguished the
British troops even more than the gallantry they ever

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INIORNING EDITION.

exhibited. If be tried those merits by the brilliancy of
'heir exploits, he could refer to the capture of the fort of
Goznee; if he tried them by the general success of the ex.
;sedition, that test also, the general results of the cam.
paign, were is favour of Lord Keane and his army. He
(Sir t Peel) found that general usage attached peen-
eiary provisions to the rewards adjudged to the soldier, and
he would be exceedingly sorry indeed to make the first
f•T.ff:ption to that rule in the case of the exploits performed
in Tadia. That would be the last exception he would be
desirous of making. Those operations, which it was pro-
posed to the House to reward, were not carried on under
-their eyes ; the places in which they were conducted were
not familiar to them, and it was of the more importance
therefore that they should convince those men who set such
An example in distant countries, that they were not obli-
vious of their merit, and that they were ready to bestow
upon them the same rewards as if those services were per-
formed under Hon. Members' eyes. He could not help
taking that opportunity of expressing the regret he felt at
the log, of some gallant officers whose services had been
of the otmost importance. It was impossible t, give any
public tcstimeny sufficiently worthy of such services. It
was impossible to read the account of the sufferings they
endured, and the valour they exhibited, without feelings of
sympathy and admiration ; and when speaking of the exploits
of the Indian army, and vsluen contemplating the be-
stowal of rewards upon the chief, they should also remem-
her the gallant soarers of men of inferior rank, by offering
some solid tr bute of respect to their memory.
Lewd HO WICK said, that as en the one hand he, in
cemmon ssith the House, had admire! the exploits of the
array usder Lard Keane—(he entirely:disreearded, SS he al-
reedy sta-ed, ell that had been said in the beginning of the
evenirg, and he trusted that that subject was for ever dia.
posed ot)—as on the one hand he thought it impossible for
any reasonable man to oppose the vote now proposed, so,
on the other, Hon. Members ought to prevent their minds
from receivicg any natural bias to the other side, and be
induced to mark their indignation against the charge, so
improperly, as he took it, brought forward in these news-
papers—:hey should not allow their indignation at that
cherge to ceuse them to give a vote which would other-
wise ho called for but, by good services. He w cald say
that on the one bend a natural feeling of admiration at the
exploits of the ermy under Lord Keane, end the reluc-
tance which they must all feel in that House to bring upon
theme lees an invidious duty, which would be pain-
ful to an individu .1, were likely to influence
them, he reared, in too great a degree on the
present occasion. In a proposition of the present rot-
tore they (night not to be governed by any feelings of that
nature on the one side or the other, but by considerations
of the public interest—( Hear, hear)—and of whatever
that intereat required. Ile believed that in all the greatest
nations of necient or modern times the wisest monarchs
and :tilers showed sonic pal sirnony in the distribution cf
rewerds. ;'icy knew that was the case vaith respect to
their own Ede doetli, who was particularly sparing in the
distribution of rewards ; but the consequence of that par-
simeny—that resers e i using th means of excitieg
ecau !ti. n and eagerness in the public service—was, that a
:=light reward coming from her carried with it more real
distinctien than a far greater one from other rulers; for
even a simple expression o' her approbati n was deemed
more honourable than a grant of a peerage from her im-
perious father. With regard to public rewards, they
should only be given on v: ry great and high occasions.
There was a natural tendency on the part of Government
to fall into the opposite error, so strong was the temptation
to scriei e popularity by conferring rewards of that nature.
Why was it that it was now proposed to grant this great
rewnra, the Peerage and a pension for three lives? be-
else thee. step had been salopted with too great fseility,
end vri'hout that reserve which ho thought it became
them to exercise in propositions of that kind. Those
eerieu-s which cost the country nothing, but which, when
properly distributed, produced a very good effect upon
the mind of the individual, and were felt to he a very great
rewaiel—those honours which cost nothing, by being too
lavishly distributed, had conic to ho lightly estimated.—
( dear, hear.) Was it not a remarkable fact, that now at
the end of twenty-six years of peace, when, of course, there
bsd been no great military or naval services perforrnsd
cluriog that time, and no great additional claims therefore
acquired beyond those existing at the end of the war—was
it not remarkable, he would ask, that, under these circuits-
starless, they found the numbers of the great Military
Orders .f the Bath ea high, be believed Inghcr, than they
were at the conclusion of the scar ?—( Hear, hear.) He
believed that if a wiser policy had been observed in that
respect, if that honour had been properly husbanded and
reserved for cases of distinguished services and merit, they
would have had a cheap, and, at the same time, a satisfac-
tory mode of rewarding such services. Every consider-
ation, therefore, induced him to believe that it was
a wise policy not to distribute these rewards
too lavishly. And if he came to apply that principle to
the case which was then before the House, he was aware
?list it was very difficult to restrain considerations which
might influence his own mind ; but he thought, looking
risen the whole, he had better not attempt to do so, be-
cause he felt that it would be impossible to enter into that
explanation without wire; words which might be construed
possibly, though very much against his wish, into an inten-
tion to disparage and to diminish the value of the services
of L' rd Keane and the exploits of the army. That was
a question, therefore, which after all must be left to the
mind of the individual, and, w icn he (Lord Howick )
lookod at the nature of the service upon which Lord
!Clone was employed and at his achievements, he was
bound to ssy that he did not think, upon the whole, that
those services were of sufficient importance to justify them
in actirg a pecuniary provision, not only for Lord
Keane himself, but for his two immediate successors.
( Hear, hear.) He thought that those services would have
been justly and properly rewarded by the highest honour
which could have been conferred, without calling for a
pres'nian of that kind. He thought also that the case
Nii,lll,l have scarcely justified an appeal to the liberality of
the House in favour of Lord Keane himself. But be for
one had the greatest possible reluctance to granting these
pensions. not only in possession to the person who had per-
formed the services, but in reversion to those by whom he
should be succeeded ; and though in each individual case
the pecuniary reward, when compared with the revenue of
this great country, seemed very trifling and inconsiderable,
they must remember the great tendency which cases of that
kind had to accumulate and run up. They granted a pension
for life, which might last for a very great series of years ;
in the mean time other demands of the same kind would
accumulate until at length the burden would become ex-
ceedingly heavy. He (Lord Howick) could net be blind
to the fact that, already in the form of half-pay and pen-
sions, and of what was commonly called dead weight in
that Ilsuse, the burden upon the finance of the country
vies so great and so heavy, that it had compelled Parlia-
nweit to postpone many grants for active service, which
he thought were very urgently required. The weight of
these demands upon them had bean in times past, and was
stilt, very severely felt. In his opinion, it was the duty of
the House to avoid with the greasest care the accumula-
tion .of charges of that description. He was perfectly
aware that, when he urged these arguments, he was per-
forming a highly invidious duty, but it was a strong sense
of the duty which he owed to those who reposed confidence
in bleat which impelled him to this course. He thought
that, ia watching over the pecuniary interests of the
cot ntrv, they ought not to be influenced by their own feel-
ings of w hat it would be liberal, and what it would be a
pleasure to them to do on behalf of brave and gallant
men. They were bound to apportion the rewards
which they gave—not upon those principles, but strictly
according to what they believed to be necessary in order
eo stimulate and encourage merit in the public service
in general. That was the only principle upon
which, in his opinion, rewards of that kind should be
granted. He was well aware that be was liable to this
answer—that Lord Keane having been now made a Peer it
-would be extremely unjust and cruel to him if the House
were to refuse a provision to him and his successors corre-
sponding to the rank which bad been conferred upon him.
lie was not prepared to deny the force of that argument,
he confessed that it was a consideration which had weighed
greatly with him, and which had considerably increased
the difficulty which he had felt in making up his mind to
give that vote which he bad determined to ,give in reference
to that question. It also made him greatly wish that in
these cases when a pension was to accompany a Peerage,
the custom were different from what it was, and that in'
stead of granting a Peerage in the first case, and then
coning down to that House to ask for a pension, the pen-
sion was proposed in the first instance and the Peerage
were only given upon the success of that proposal.
(Heer, f ear.) He thought that it would-be a far better
and a wiser and mere reasonable course of proceeding.
But he was quite aware that it had not been the practice—
he was quite aware that a different rule had hitherto been
_
acted upenwhet
—and there ore he did not complain of
bad beer, done in that case. But as that rule had not been
acted upon, he was bound in this caso rot to consider the
nardship of refusal upon the individual in consequence of
the grant of the Peerage, but to consider whether, if the
whole matter were then brought before them for the first
time, if the Peerage were not yet granted, he should be
prepared on the merits of that case to approve of the grant
of the pension and Peerage together. That was the
groend upon which he felt himself called upon to give ah.
opieion. The Crown undoubtedly possessed the right of
eonferring honour according to its own discretion, and the
Ministers of the Crown were responsible for the
ads ice which they might give. —( ) But if it
was the clear and undoubted right of the Crown to grant
sieee honours, it was equally the clear and undoubted
right—nay, more, the incumbent duty—of that House to
exercise a free and unfettered discretion, in re-
gard to every proposition for an increase of the
burdens of the people.—Hear, hear.) That being the
case, though he greatly regretted the possibility that, if
the House were to adopt the opinion which he had himself
formed upon the subject, the honour which had been con-
ferred upon Lord Keane vrould rather be an incumbrance
than a reward—greatly as he might regret that circum-
stance, still be was bound to keep his judgment unbiassed
h it, and to deliver his vote upon those great considerations
e; rublic policy to which he had already adverted. He
v. nild not add any fu ther remarks in support of the vote
which he should give, except once snore to say that he
pee that vote with the most unfeigned reluctance, and
that it was not inconsistent with his setting a very high
value indeed upon the services of Lord Keane and of the
ermy It proceeded from the conviction, that if these
went; were to pass by as a matter of course—if no indivi-
-dual would take upon himself the odious and unpleasant
day of raising his voice against them—if Gentlemen
would riot do that, they would gradually increase and met_
tiply : they would become more and more common, the
amount of service would become less and less, and, in
proportion, the higher rewards for still more distinguished
services would have to be screwed up and increased, in
order to maintain their relative value. It was this strong
conviction, and perhaps lie ought to have taken an earlier
opportunity of expressing it, but it was these considera-
tions which imposed upon him the duty,
s from which he
could not shrink, of declaringhhse._hia(cdhiesaeprp.r)obation of the
measure then before the House,—(Cheers.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL very sorry that his Noble
Friend opposite it h
opinion'l t Y to
fopposei6m was
his Noble
vote. Being of an
Noble Friend, he ob
twined as opportunity of stating
subject. His Noble Friengdeuaepr spoke
sentiments upon the
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wards made to the ancient