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London, England, 1841-09-21 00:00:00

THE StN, LONDON, TUI4ISDAY, SEPTEMBER 21, 1841.

tion to take the mnal- from the hands of the Govern-
ment, and if, unfortunately, that project failed, be would
have no hebitation in recommending the abandonment of
the whole concern.

The vote was then withdrawn.
Sir G. CLERK then proposed that the sum of 25,0001.
be granted to her Majesty fur completing the sum ne-
cessary for the payment of the salaries and expenses of
the two Houses of Parliament.

In answer to a question from Mr. THORNELY,
Sir G. CLERK said the Sergeant-at-Arms attending
the House of Lords had a deputy, but he peformed the
duties generally personally.
After a few words from Dr. BOWRING, which were
not heard in the gallery, the vote was agreed to.
26,3001. were then voted to defray the expenses of the
offices in her Majesty's Treasury.
On the motion of Sir G. CLERIC that the sum of
10,750/. be granted for the expenses of the Home De-

pertinent,
Colonel SIBTHORP took that occasion to complain of
the appointment of Mr. Vizard to the office of Solicitor
to the Home-office, as he was at the same time Secretary
to the Commissioners of Bankruptcy, with a salary of
1,2001. a year. He begged to ask whether it was the in-
tention of the present Government to cancel that appoint-
ment or retain Mr. Vizard in office.
Sir J. GRAHAM said that, although Mr. Vizard had
been for twenty-five years his solicitor, he had felt it his
duty in forty-eight hours after faking the seals, to inti-
mate to him his intention to inquire into the duties of the
office and the necessity for its continuance ; adding that,
as at present advised, he did not think Mr. Vizard
would be retained as Solicitor to the Home Depart-
ment.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir T. WILDE said that the number of applications
for legal advice made daily to the Home-office by coun-
try magistrates, when difficult legal questions arose, ren-
dered it necessary that there should be a solicitor in that
department. He was convinced that the salary of the
solicitor was much less than the amount of the fees which
would have to be paid to the Solicitor or Attorney-Gene-
ral, if there were not such an official adviser connected
with the department.
Sir ROBERT PEEL had filled the office of Secre-
tary of State for several years, and had never felt any
inconvenience in the want of a Solicitor to the Home
Department. His Under Secretary, Mr. Hobhouse, was
perfectly competent to advise upon all legal questions ;
so much so that Sir Vicary Gibbs told him (Sir. R. Peel)
that he would not hesitate to put his name to any legal
opinion given by Mr. Hobhouse.—(Hear, hear.) He
thought it better to have a responsible Under Secretary
competent to advise on legal matters than to have two
distinct offices, a Secretary and a Solicitor.—(Hear.)
Colonel SIBTHORP expressed his satisfaction with
what had fallen from the Right. Hon. Baronet.
Mr. DUGDALE had been a Magistrate for many
years before the office of Solicitor to the Home Depart-
ment was instituted, and he never found either difficulty
or delay in obtaining advice from the Home-office in
matters of law.—(Hear.)
Sir T. WILDE said that it was unsafe and dangerous
to rely upon the opinions of a lawyer who was not in
constant acquaintance with the practice of the Courts.
He could bear testimony to the high character of Mr.
Hobhouse, but he could not forget the opinion of Sir
William Grant, who when he had been but six months
out of practice, said that his opinion as a lawyer was
good for nothing when he was no longer conversant with
the daily practice of the Courts.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said the Right Hon. Gentleman
had stated, on the authority of Sir Wm. Grant, that the
opinion of a professional gentleman who had been six
months out of practice, was not to be relied on, how much
more then did this statement weigh against the appoint-
ment of Mr. Vizard, who had been out of practice for two
years.—(Loud laughter.)
Sir THOS. WILDE said that he did not suppose that
Sir W. Grant meant to say that professional gentlemen
under the circumstances alluded to, were unable to ex-
press an opinion, but that a person not in a course of
professional reading, was not a safe adviser. It was true
Mr. Vizard had given up the conduct of his private prac-
tice, but he presumed that he had not given up
his professional reading.—(Laughter.) He did not think
the Right Hon. Baronet's a candid mode of meeting the
argument, though it was a smart ono—(Laughter)—and
except for the little advantage over him which it might
afford to the Right Hon, Baronet, he did not think the
time of the House had been usefully occupied by his an-
swer.—(Hear, and laughter.)
In answer to a question from Mr. WILLIAMS,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that, if in discussing any estimates, any Hon. Gentleman
wished for the details they should be furnished. The
vote was then agreed to.
The following votes were then agreed to without dis-
cussion :-44,000/. for the expenses of the Foreign-
office ; 10,000/. expenses of the Colonial-office ; 15,7501
expenses of Privy Council and Committee of Privy
Council for trade ; 31,000/. expenses of Privy Seal-office ;
17,473/. expenses of Paymaster-General's-office ; 8,785/.
Comptroller-General of Exchequer ; 1,0001. Professors
at the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge.
On the vote for 6,679/. Commissioners of Insolvent
Debtor's Court, being put,
Mr. WILLIAMS said that he believed that if the
establishment was managed in the same manner as simi-
lar establishments in other countries, this expense might
be avoided. It appeared to him extraordinary if the
persons confined were employed beneficially, that they
should not nearly defray their expenses.
Dr. BOWRING also thought that a more economical
system might be adopted in the establishment.
The vote was then agreed to.
The following votes were also agreed to :-
3,092/. 12s. for the Juvenile Offenders' Penitentiary,
Parkhurst, Isle of Wight ; 1,1411. State Paper-office ;
1,5001. for defraying the expenses oc the Ecclesiastical
Commissioners in England ' • 29,6701 salaries and ex-
penses of the Commissionero for the relief of the poor.
An Hosr. MEMBER on the Ministerial side of the
House, whose name we could not learn, begged to say
that unless a reduction took place in the establishment
of those offices, he should feel it his duty in the next
Session of Parliament to move that the Commissions for
the Poor be reduced to the same scale as the Commis-
sions of Excise, and of public departments.
6,796/. salaries and expenses of Consuls andVice-Consols
abroad ; 4,5001. salaries, &c., of Factory Commissioners;
3,1001. Inspectors of Prisons ; 15,7001. expenses
of the Mint ; 2,500/. Commission with respect to
the employment of children in mines and col-
leries ; 4,100/. compensation to persons who were for-
merly employed in the public service ; 3,2501. for the
relief of emigrants ; 9251. national vaccine establish-
ment ; 1,500/2 for the relief of the destitute ; 1,695/.
expenses, &c. of the confinement of criminals and luna-
tics; 1,950/. for the purpose of assisting Protestant Dis-
senting Ministers, 19,600/. to complete the sum voted for
foreign and secret service.
Mr. 'WILLIAMS did not object to a certain sum
being allowed as foreign and secret service money, but
there would be no necessity for that money being
legitimately employed in home service, He considered
that the sum ought to be reduced, and he would divide
the House on it.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
House divided, when there appeared-
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aoriginal
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Majority
41,000/. were voted for law charges.
39,0001 were voted for the Hulk Establishment at
home and abroad.
On the vote of 132,8001. being proposed to defray the
expenses of maintaining convicts,
Mr. WILLIAMS said he would not oppose the vote,
but he trusted that every means would be taken to dimi-
nish the expense of this item, which he conceived might
be easily effected.
After a few observations from Mr. V. SMITH,
Sir R.PEEL said he would take care that the whole of
the estimates should be narrow ly looked into.—(Hear,
hear,) He would make it art object of his solicitude that
they should undergo a careful revision.—(hear, hear.)
The vote was then agreed to.
12,50C1 were voted for the expenses attendant upon
captive negroes. •
5,169/. was voted to complete the sum necessary to
pay the salary of. officers engaged in keeping the Public
Records.
15,00(1 was voted for public education in Great
Britain.
2,660/. was voted to defray the expenses of the Uni-
versity of London.
7954 was voted for the support of the School of Design.
14,5001. was voted for the payment of the Revising
Barristers.
6,1601. was voted for the ewpenses incurred by Sheriffs.
73,000 L was voted to defray certain charges hitherto
paid out of county rates.
6,0004 was voted for the assistance of the Polish re-

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fugees.
3,54C1. was voted to enable the trustees of the British
Museum to purchase certain manuscripts with respect to

coins.

56,850/. was voted for compensation to the merchant •
who had suffered losses through the Spanish Government.
25A01. was voted to defray the expenses of steam
communication with India by way of the Red Sea.
2,5001. was voted to defray the Civil Establishment of
the Bahama Islands.
2,024/. was voted to defray the Civil Establishment of
the Bermudas,
1,53 W, was also voted to defray the Civil Establishment
of Prince Edward's Island,
5,4401. was voted to defray the expenses of the Civil
Establishments of the western coast of Africa.
3,549/. was voted to defray the expenses of the Civil
EgahliAment of Western Australia.
4,1954 wp,4 vpted to defray the expenses of the Bede.-
siastical Establishment of thy British North American
Provinces.
9,,4471. 10s. was voted to defray the expenses of the
npprnment in Canada.
5,3321. 10s. was voted for defraying the salaries of the
Governors and Deputy-Governors of the West India

Colonies.
1 10s, was voted to defray the civil expenses of
IlePgplapo.
2p,350/. was voteti to (Wray tho gilerriea an 4 allow
4Ticee of •Stipenclary Justices in the West Indies,
Wait WQ voted for supporting the religious and
moral instruetlons or emancipated negroes,
The following votes were also agreed to :-2001. for
the establishment at Sable Island, Nova Scotia ;
19,987 g. for the Niger expedition ; 3,0001. for the esta-
b!ishment at -stplcsr Zpalpal ; 2 2111. los. for the es-
tablishMent at VoriViseN 1,0001 tbr thP 4t4144511'
ment at Falkland Islaed:
Or the vote for 5,0001. to assist in promoting private
subscriptions fpr the €urmaticjn Of public walks iii great
towns.
Mr. BROTHERTON expressed his approbation of
the vote, and expressed his regret that the state of the
finances would not permit it to be carried to the extent
that was desirable.
On the vote of ii,004 for the
same purpose with res-
pect....,
to Schools of Design,
DIA WILLIAMS said that he cordially supported the

vote. He regretted that while every body admitted the
importance of the object, nobody was found to exert .
himself for its promotion. Ile would suggest that a
small sum should be given to establish a school in any
country town which would lay the foundation for it. As
an instance of the advantage of this plan, he would men-
tion that the late Government had sent a schoolmaster
into the .Spitalfields district, and established a school
there ; and he was informed that although this district
had been previously as backward as others, within three
months afterwards not less than forty=two scholars re-
gularly attended, and that the experiment had been at-
telided with the greatest possible advantage.
Sir R. PEEL said he did not at all object on the score
of economy to a grant of public money for that pur-
pose. He thought it would he a very great advantage if
such schools were established in the manufacturing dis-
tricts, particularly those which were connected with taste
and the fine arts.—(Bear, hear.) It was impossible,
however, that the Government alone could effect the ob-
ject. It might be done in Spitalfields ; but in New-
castle-upon-Tyne it could not be accomplished, without
the superintendencz of a local board. The fact was,
that the wealthy in each district ought to take the lead-
ing point in such an object. He was quite certain that
it would be the means of great usefulness. The Govern-
ment, in such a case, would be prepared to give its very
best assistance.

Mr. EWART said the subject befor the House came
under the consideration of the Committee, of which he
was Chairman six years ago. The recommendation of
that Committee precisely accorded with the opinion of
the Right Hon. Baronet ; it was a recommendation of
assistance, not interference, on the part of the Govern-
ment, stating that local supervision was necessary to
success. The late Government had carried out those
principles, and he trusted that the present would pursue
the same course.

Dr. BOWRING expressed the pleasure he felt at
hearing the remarks of the Right Hon. Baronet, and
hoped to see the object carried out.
The vote was then agreed to.
The following sums were also voted :-1,750/. to com-
plete the purchass of pictures for the National Gallery;
2,2501. for the Lighthouse, at Morant Point,
Jamaica ; 10,0001 for the census of the popula-
tion of Ireland; 37,1501. for grants to the Universities
of Oxford; 25,0001. for education in Ireland; 4,795/. for
the purpose of founding an hospital in:Dublin; 7,8461. 10s.
to defray the expense of the House of Industry in Dub-
lin ; 5001. for the Female Orphan-house, Circular-road,
Dublin; 1501. for the Westmoreland Lock Hospital, Dub-
lin; 750/. for Stevens' Hospital; 1,9001. for the Fever
Hospital in Cork-street, Dublin; 2501. for the Hospital
of Incurables.

CORN-LAWS.

MEETING AT THE TOWN-HALL, SOUTHWARK.
A Town-hall Meeting was held yesterday in Southwark, for
the purpose of petitioning the Queen not to prorogue Parlia-
ment until it has taken inta its consideration the present dis-
tressed condition of the manufacturing population, and also the
subject of the present Corn-laws. The meeting was called by
requisition signet! by some of the principal inhabitants of the
borough to the High Bailiff, who presided.

'll4 meeting ,Vas appointed for one o'clock, and .a few
minutes after that hour, the High Bailiff, accompanied by
several of the requisitionists, entered the Flail.
As soon as the High Bailiff took his seat, the requisition
calling the meeting together was read, &c.
The HIGH BAILIFF ruse aril said—lt had always been his
desire, during the time that he had held the office of High
Bailiff fo- that borough, to furnish the inhabitants with every
opportunity to express their sentiments upon all matters con-
nected with the public welfare. He had, therefore, in com-
pliance with a requisition very numerously and respectably
signed, called that meeting. He had not a doubt, from expe-
rience of past meetings in that borough, that every one would
be allowed to express his sentiments with that liberty and
freedom from interruption which ought to be, and was, the pri-
vilege of Tory honest and independant man.—(Cheers.) It
might be necessary for him to observe, that the requisition was
delivered to him on Saturday, and as the requisitionists wished
the meeting to be called for that day ( Monday), he had
thought.proper to comply with that request. As the requisi-
tion had been read, he should call on the meeting to express
their sentiments upon it.—( Cheers. )
The HIGH BAILIFF then read several letters from Mr.
Alderman Humphery, Mr. Hawes, &c., with apologies for
their non-attendance.

Mr. JAMES WILSON rose, and said the following resolution
had been put into his hands to propose for their adoption :
" 'I hat this meeting has watched with great anxiety and
alarm accounts from the manufacturing and other districts,
which exhibit the rapid increase of commercial distress, want
of employment, and all the evils consequent thereon, aggra-
vated by the high prices of food." He rose to pro-
pose that resolution for their consideration, with the
deepest conviction, that unless something were done to
alleviate the distress of the working classes that they were
approaching an awful crisis.—( Hear, hear.) Since they last
met in that Town-hall to consider the commercial Tariff and
the Corn-law, they had found that the Ministers who had
brought forward those questions for consideration had been
turned out of power, after having been sorely pressed by num-
berless petitions to take them into their consideration. They
had brought forward these questions, and for this reason alone
they had been turned out of power, and they had been suc-
ceeded by a class of men who had come into power for the pur-
pose of maintaining those laws inviolate. Independent of the
consideration of these questions as affecting merely the Corn-
laws and commerce, he could not but view the circumstances
which had taken place, as deeply involving the civil rights of
the country. He could not but be convinced that one class of
the community had claimed the right of legislating for the
whole people, and he could not but be convinced that the pre-
rogative of the Queen had been used for a selfish purpose, and
that the agriculturists and the landholders have been
the only parties to be considered by the present repre-
sentatives in the House of Commons. Therefore, independently
of the Corn-laws, there was something in the proceedings of
this country which deeply involved their civil liberties and
privileges. If there was one constitutional privilege more
dear than another, it was the liberty they had to choose
their representatives in the House of Commons ; and
if there was another principle well developed, it was that the
House of Peers had no right to interfere with the election of
the House of Commons. They found the Duke of Richmond
standing up and telling the country that they had brought into
power the present Ministry for the purpose of maintaining the
Corn-laws inviolate, and as soon as they attempted to meddle
with them they should put them out of office. These were
the men who had passed a vote of want of confidence against
the late Ministry, because they wished to interfere with those
laws. They had claimed the right of electing the House of
Commons, thereby violating the privileges of the people. It
was a matter of some surprise to him that the House of Com-
mons, which had telt so keenly the breach of privilege of its
House with respect to the Sheriffs of London, should submit to
a still higher breach of their House in being elected by the
House of Lords. They had seen in the manufacturing dis-
tricts the first evidence of the decay of a great nation had taken
place. It was lamentable to see that the town of Stockport,
the town that had employed upwards of 60,000 operatives, had
fallen off in its population, as appeared by the late census, 8,000
within the last ten years—( Hear, hear)—where they found
that only one house in twenty was occupied, and where they
found that only one mill in four was working. Let them con-
sider these things, and how could they wonder that such dis-
tre►s should be in the manufacturing districts ? He had re-
ferred to statistical accounts, and he found that they imported
in 1840 for the first three months 124,965,0001b5., while in
1841 it was only 122,625,000, leaving a deficiency in the im-
ported quantity of not less than 2,340,0001b5. In the last four
months of 1840 the imported quantity of cotton vs 00l was
237,540,0001b5., whilst in the same period of
1841 it was 164,000,0001b5., leaving a deficiency
of 76,540,0001b5., or about one-third of the whole.
They had therefore to infer from that, that there was only one-
third of the employment for the labourer there was a year
ago. He would also refer to the article of silk. Sufficient
evidence of the decay of that trade was found in Spitalfields
and other districts. From this source he found that in the
first three months of 1840 there were 931,9561b5. of silk ma-
nufactured in England, while in 1841, and the same space of
time, there were only 719,7861b5., leaving a deficiency of
212,1701b5. In the last four months of 1840 it was 1,109,1081b5.
whilst in the same period of 1841 it was 836,4881b5., leaving
a deficiency of 272,6201b5., nearly one-fourth less than the
former year. When they considered these statements, they
would not believe that the accounts they had heard of the
distress in the manufacturing districts were exagge-
rated. The mills were standing still, and the po-
pulation was not employed. The giant arm of steam was
motionless and doing nothing. They found that in the House
of Commons the Hon. Member for Bolton had, in his place in
that House, stated a fact of a man having died at his loom of
starvation and want. Although this was the only case they
had heard of, of death having occurred from starvation, yet this
was nota solitary instance where death had taken place in con-
sequence of the Poor-laws.—(Cheers.) But there was one
person in the present Ministry—one man who was known for
his courage—and he would say, for his candour—there was one
man who stated that he believed there was no distress—the
Duke of Wellington. He (Mr. Wilson) had not so much
faith in his experience in these matters as in his candour and
courage. He (the Duke of Wellington) had declared that he
believed that there was no distress, and that this was the only
country where a man could get at any time employment,
and yet they heard of evidence being given in the
House of Commons of a man dying on his loom. However,there
was another Member of the Administration, who did admit the
fact of the distress, but who denied the cause. He denied that

the Corn-laws were the cause of that distress. He talked
something about over-production, but he (Mr. Wilson) would
a<k the Premier whether it was fit for a statesman to com-
plain of over production ?—( Cheers.) Was it the fact that
because a man did too much work he was to suffer privation.
No, it was not over-production that was the cause of the dis-
tress, but over-restriction.—(Cheers.) They had over-pro•
duction of cloth, and they wanted bread. Therewere other
countries that had an over-production of bread, and it was
little consolation for them to be told that they were well fed
when they wanted cloth for clothing ; and for the people of
England to be told that they had sufficiency of cloth when
they waited food. But Sir R. Peel said "show me
that the Corn-laws are the cause of the evil, and I
will consent to their repeal ; prove to me that this
is the cause of the disaster, and I will advise my friends to re-
peal them." Ile (Mr. Wilson) had no confidence in the sin-
cerity of that declaration; for they had seen year after year
that Mr. Villiers had brought forward his motion for inquiry
into the operation of these laws, and th's very man, Sir R.
Peel, rejected the motion disdainfully, and would not listen
even to inquiry; therefore they had no right to think him sin-
cere in his professions when he has resisted inquiry, the only
means of evidence.—( Cheers.) It appeared to be the policy
of Sir R. Peel to procrastinate. He had assumed the position
of great state physician, having studied at the great univer-
sity of Tamworth, where he had taken out his diploma as State
l'hysician.--( Laughter.) When he was under examination
he promised when he was called in that he would prescribe for
the patient's disease ; yet now when he was called in, and called
in with his fellow students and colleagues, when he had his fee,
he refused to offer an opinion on the disease which he was
called on to cure.—(Laughter.) He refused to express an
opinion upon the disease of the country, and seemed rather to
take the part of the Coroner than the physician.—( Laughter.)
When the Hon. Member for Bolton told him that a man had
died on his loom he then cocsented to send down a commission
to inquire into it. This was but poor consolation to the widow
and children, sending to inquire the cause of his death now
that he was taken away from them. He still, however, re-
fused to send commissioners to inquire into the state of those

that are not dead, but leaves them to die, and then perhaps
he would again become Coroner, instead of the physician to
apply a remedy .—(Cheers.) There was scarcely a feature in
society in which they did not find that hydra-headed monster
the Corn-laws staring them in the face.—(Cheers.) They
found, year after year, that its voice was heard increasing
throughout society. It was heard in the increase of patients
to the hospitals. It was heard by an increase of prisoners in
our prisons, numerous bankruptcies, and increased embar-
rassment in trade. A noble friend of his had moved in the
House of Peers for a return of the number of fiats in bank-
ruptcy which have been issued during the last five years. It ap-
peared by that return that in the year 1838 there were 1,087 fiats
issued. In 1839 there were 1,485 ; in 1840 there were 1,879.
With such evidence of increasing distress, with such symptoms
of national decay, was it fitting that such a man should take
the reins of. Government ; and that, when he had got them,
he should refuse to give the slightest remedy for these evils?—
( Cheers.) Let them consider, for one moment, what was all
this suffering for. Why was the country threatened with de-
cay? He would again refer to the Duke of Richmond, to be
informed on this head. For in his .peech, that he had before,
quoted, he stated for what purpose the Government was fealuoa.
He stated in a few words, that if the Corn-laws were to be in-
terfered with, that he would be the first to mo' o in that P-
that the present tenants should bo absolved from 14- ' -.use
amount of rent? And
that presentthey
leases. Why did he do so, but that he "e
would not he able to pay their prep.,-
7.ssumed
if so, they (the farmer) we,-
.e only enabled to do so by the
present laws ;• and-, 1
.lierefore, he says they were framed for the
purpose of making the landholders wealthy. The Duke
of. Wellington said it was in order to secure to the inhabitants
food at the htoat eisal prices. But the Duke of Richmond
Kid that it was simply for the purpose of rent. It then was
14 little word rent to which they must bow and submit.—
(Hear, hear.) It was the Jugernaut before which every feel-
ing Wrsa tq be violated, and that little word was to represent
Kings, Lords, and Commons. He could not believe that the
people of this country would quietly submit to such a change
in the Constitution, for if they did they gave up all privilege in
the choice of represontativos in the House of Commons; and if
they were not willing to do so they would rise not only to pro-
teet their commeree, but for a higher and a nobler aim—that of
thelr. civil rights.—(Cheers.) He believed that this was a
tint° when they should exercise the right of petitioning their
Soverein. He, therefore, hoped that not only there would
tioat feeling pervade, but threw:theta the kingdom. The Hon.
Gentleman sat down amidst great cheering.
Mr. TnoAsas MARTIN said that he had been re-
euasted since he arrived on that idatfbrm to second
the resolution, and he should, therefore, do so with
but a few words, after the very eloquent address they
had just heard. I-4 had looked to other countries, and found
no sliding scale there; and that caused him to reflect t'eeply
an the subject. He had looked in history, and found that
those nations of the earth which most excelled in manufactures,
and everything that curbed the manufaCtures, reduced the
country. That system w4;-; new being adopted here; and it would
result in Enilaud being deprived of her right-arm—her manu-
factges.—( Cheers.) Before the war, land was not half the
price it was now : deprive the country of her manufactures,
and land would fall again to tha same price it was before the
war. He hoped theta was no man there but would put his
shoulder to the wheel, and get rid of this incubus on corn-
rnerce.—( Cheers. )
•
The resolution was then put and carried unanimously.
Mr. APSLEY PELLETT rose to move the next resolution :
" That, in consequence 4 the apprehended deficiency. of the
present harvest= the country is already threatened with de-
rangement of its currency and monetary affairs, from
the necessity of importing corn under the wrise
provisions of the present law." He thought they had arrived
at a time when something should be done to retrieve our
present difficult position. This opinion he had found much
strengthened by a recent tear be had made in the manufactur-

ing districts. He had visited Glasgow, Paisley, Liverpool,
Manchester, and Birmingham, five of the great manufacturing
towns of the country, and there never was a less demand for
the art;.cles they manufactured than at present, nor such a want
of employment. He was a mum-. sfacturer himself, hut as a
mretropolitan manufacturer he did not feel personally, nor dn.(
his people feel that distress, because at present it was distant.
But when distress commenced at a distance, it would sours
come home. It had been said by the first speaker that the
Premier had assumed to himself the right of State physician,
and that he can cure all the complaints of the body politic.
However true this might be, yet he says before he call apply
the remedy they must wait five months. He (Mr. Pena)
thought that the whole question was not merely a political feel-
ing, for he believed there never was a question in which theme
was less political feeling than that one. He believed that a
Tory and a banker of his acquaintance would have been
present that day, but that he was prevented by ill-
health, or he would have been there to declare the great injury
caused by these lawc.—( Cheers.) It was rather extraordi-
nary that the present State physician should on the 7th June
last have pressed so strongly on the political party then in
power to the immediate consideration of the Corn-laws in
order to prevent agitation, and yet as soon as he comes into
power, one of his first acts is to turn round upon the suffer-
ing community and tell them that that was not the time to
give them the remedy. He would appeal to a gentleman who
wrote a plea for the poor on the Corn-laws, and who had
avowed himself as the Hon. and Rev. Baptist W. Noel. Ile
was a clergyman of the Church of England. If he had been
one of the 1,500 Dissenting ministers that had met in Manches-
ter perhaps he would not be believed by the other party, but
being one of the aristocracy of the country, he (Mr. P.)
thought the landlords would not doubt what he said. He
would take a short extract from this plea. It was that part
where the author quoted Scripture. " He shall deliver
the needy when he crieth, the poor also, and
him that hath no helper. He shall spare the
poor and needy, and shall save the souls of the needy. He
shall redeem their souls from deceit and violence, and pre-
sious shall their blood be in his sight!' Agreeably, there-
fore, both to the practice of the Legislature, and what is infi-
nitely more to be regarded, the will of Christ, should the weak
and the poor be freed from those artificial restraints upon their
industry and that unproductive taxation of their food, which,
without serving the country, inflicts suffering on them."
This was the point to which their attention ought to be led.
Since the proposed change would have taken place, the coun-
try had lost something like 400,000/. out of its revenue, pro-
vided it had been an Ss. duty instead of the sliding scale; that
amount of duty therefore had gone into the pockets of spe-
culators. He would make another quotation tram the " Pica
for the Poor :"—" Myriads of the wording classes, whose inte-
rests are especially at stake, have implored the Legislature not
to vote them any public money, not to give them any unfair
advantage over others, not to invade private property, but to
break off the fetters which the law has laid upon their indus-
try, to restore them t. eir national liberty—to purchase
bread in return for the produce of their labour, to permit them
to maintain their families by honest and laborious exertion."
This he knew to be the opinion, not only of the trade, but
even of their continental friends—those who were forced to
manufacture themselves cloth because we refused to take their
corn. Many of the ports are completely closed to the shipping,
and although they had large quantities of corn in their ports,
they had no employment for their shipping ; but they were
manufacturing things which we could do infinitely better, if
we were allowed to exchange our commodities. To show the
foolery of some of our legislative enactments, he would refer
to 1634, when Sir H. Ripon was fined 4,0001. for converting
pasture land into arable.—(Great Laughter.) His per-
sonal experience told him that nearly all the want of employ-
ment that now existed arose from the operation of these bad
laws—(Hear, hear)—crippling our energies and destroying
our commerce. France would be ashamed of it—( Hear, hear)
—and would rebel against it ; but England was an example
of patience to other countries.—(Cheers.) He thought they
never could be prosperous till they had a property-tax in this
country, taxing the rich equally with the poor, and not as at
present, where the laws that were made were merely an excuse
for taxing the poor. He would conclude with another quota-
tion from his favourite author ;—" For no fault of theirs they
are suffering the pain of hunger, with all the physical and
moral evils which accompany it. God has provided for them
corn, not in their own crowded country, but in others less
densely peopled. They have the ability to buy it by their
labour, if the law forbids not ; and the restoration of their
natural right will invigorate every branch of British industry.
Generously, therefore, as becomes the disciple of Christ, let
every Christian reader overcome all party spirit, silence each
ignorant prejudice, and trampling on the suggestions of a short-
sighted self-interest, labour with every friend of Isis country to
effect that extension of our trade which, while it improves the
condition of the working classes, will open the prospect of un-
bounded prosperity to the whole nation."
Dr. BEDFORD seconded the resolution. The first thing that
arose in his mind was, how many Reverend Gentlemen were
present there that day ? On looking round him, he could not
see one.—(A laugh.) He thought those Reverend Gentlemen
cared more for the soul than the body. They followed not the
example of the Saviour of old, who first fed the people and
then preached to them.—(Hear, hear.) They had too many
churches, and when he went into them he saw them empty,
and he naturally inquired, is there not a congregation ? It
was because they had no clothes to appear there in.—(Cheers.)
He had great pleasure in seconding the resolution.
Mr. R. RUSSELL rose to propose the third resolution :
" That this meeting is apprehensive that great danger will
arise, should the consideration of the Corn-laws, recommended
by the Queen to both House of Parliament, be postponed, and
it therefore feels it to be an imperative duty to petition her Ma-
jesty not to prorogue Parliament until it shall have given full
effect to her Majesty's gracious recommendations, and that for
that purpose the following petition be adopted." He said a
friend of his was dining in Manchester with a physician, who
gave him an instance of the distress there existing. lie was
called in to a man who was dying. He was about to prescribe
for the man, when he said—Give me none of your physic, but
give me something to eat, for me and my children. Your chil-
dren, said the physician, where are they ? He pointed to some
sacks,and three naked creatures crawled out, scarcely able to move.
The physician was horrorstruck. He did all he could for them,
but in three days the man and his children were dead. This,
in a country where plenty was in the reach of every man, yet
he was prohibited from getting it even by the most praiseworthy
means, as God had commanded him, by the sweat of his brow.
—(Cheers.) He thought this country was not a country of
violence; if it were, they would not be at that time in their
present peaceable condition. He thought that Sir Robert Peel
must possess more of placidity than almost any human being
living, for he could not think how he could feel himself safe
under existing circumstances.—( Cheers.) He could not
think how he could dare to maintain the present Corn- law,
which was a protection to the landlord. The farmer could do
without protection as well as the manufacturer.—( Hear,
hear.) Therefore it was not a farmer's question, but a land-
lord's question, and landlord's question only.—(Cheers.)
Mr. CIIARLES BARFORD seconded the resolution. He
trusted that on every available occasion they would address the
Queen until they got rid of these accursed law s.—(Cheers.)
The petition to the Queen was then read to the meeting.
Mr. WA vrosr, a Chartist, rose to move an amendment to
the resolution. He w s received with considerable uproar and
confusion. He said he agreed with a good deal that was con-
tained in the petition, but it was because he differed with a
portion of it that he wished to move an amendment. The
speaker then read an amendment, which was to the effect that
nothing could be done till the representation was reformed. He
would leave it to the good sense of the meeting whether that
amendment should be received.—( Laughter.) They were
not to suppose that he was a supporter of the Corn-laws.—
( Uproar.) It was ricnsense to say, "Go to Germany or
Poland and other countries for bread, when there was plenty
at home, if the country were well cultivated.—(Confusion.)
According to the present arguments, they would take all their
corn from the foreigner, and none from the English farmer.—
(Great uproar.) What would be the result of that.—( Up-
roar. ) The farmer would say to his labourer, " I have no
employment for you ; you must go to the manufacturer.--
( Here the uproar was very great, in the midst of which the
speaker sat down.)
Mr. Wnsos, another Chartist, rose to second the amend-
ment, and was met with considerable disapprobation en the
part of the meeting. He said, if he was situated as be would
wish to be, he should have a nice cottage, and a feW acres to
cultivate.—( Great laughter, followed by uproar and confu-
sion.) He should like to be independent of every man.—
( Renewed laughter.) He attributed the state of distress into
which the manufacturing districts were thrown to machinery,
which did the work of 100 men, and only the labour of one
man.—(Uproar.) The first remedy was, to extend the fran-
chise ; but, until they got that, they would never get men to re-
present the interests of the country. —( The uproar was increased,
and continued without intermission throughout the speaker's
address. )
Mr. HEARNE thought the gentleman who spoke last was
like the man with the goose which laid golden eggs.—
(Laughter.) He ripped up the body of the goose, and lost
the eggs ; and this was the way they would have them proceed.
Talk about machinery b -ing injurious ! It was only injurious
because it was fettered by bad laws.—( Hear, hear.) lie
thoroughly believed that the removal of the Corn-laws would
be one great step towards the reduction of the burthen of the
National Debt—(Cheers)—for, if they were to take the
Corn-law monopoly off, the amount saved wodld pay the Na-
tional Debt, and they would have something to spare.
Mr. A. PELLATT, Mr. J. WILSON, and several others
addressed the meeting, in answer to the proposer and seconder
of the amendment.

After a great deal of uproar, the amendment was put, whieh
having been lost, ihe original motion was put and carried_
amidst loud cheers.

A motion was then made that the memorial tve sigP:ed by the
High Bailiff on the part of the meetie4, and
Pellatt, Russell, and others be appointe4 4ti *that Messrs.
-'putation to attend
the High Bailiff on the presentaiiem,
Thanks were then voted to the
5. 11'gh Bailiff, and the meeting
quietly separated 0.511 aftet
......-.,...- f°.Ar o'clock.

CEN-I_l;iAL CRIMINAL COURT.
(YESTERDAY.)

OLD COURT.
Mr. PAYNE applied to the Court for the discharge of
the recognizance of the prosecutors againit Wm. Gil-
lingham. The Learned Counsel said that the case WPS
postponed from the last session in consequence of the
prisoner, while confined in Newgate, having swallowed
a quantity of pins, and he had since died in prison.
the
fact RECORDZR said it would be necessary thate
l
fact stated by the Learned Counsel should be formally
proved.
then sworn,
Mr. Cope, the Governor of Newgate,
wasdied in gaol.
and he proved that the party charged
Solomon Parslow, 32, and George Taylor,
The recognizances were then in-
dictedorder?cil'atdobe4(sli,scv:etarregetl
quantity of rags from Messrs. Ratclitl'c,
enter
rty
intotmd
fora misdemeanour, for frtaeulidifuel,e(i)iftlsyooubttha‘iNnairtitig. a
pleaded guilty, and they
The defendants retracted their
were
ea r and receive the
their own recognizances toappu oprldeeareodf ntoot
upon so to do.
judg-
ment of the Court when
calledindicted for fraudulently ob-
taining John Coomber,
of was indicted
ponies, the property of Mrs.
Maddox, of Smith-street, re
possession4s
t et, Chelsea. The prisoner was
Clarkson,
the Counsel for the
that he had been capitally convicted
prosecution, stating
horse -stealing, the Recorder sentenced hint
found guilty, and on Mr.
in 1830 of
to be transported for seven years. ..

POLICE INTLLIGNCE.
MA NSIONE
-HOUS A. E

FMIGRATION.-Mr. Carter, of the firm of Carter and
Bonus, ship-agents, of No. 11, Leadenhall-street, ap-
peared at the Justice-room, at the request of Alderman
Pine, in consequence of the complaints of several poor
persons about to emigrate to Australia, against a man
named John Mußender, who had represented Himself as
the agent of that respectable house in pecuniary matters
connected with emigration. The case, which it is appre-
hended resembles a great many instances of imposition
upon distressed men and women who have expected to
improve their condition by leaving this country, excited
no small degree of interest. . .

An Atto—rney, who appeared for the complainants,
stated, that without meaning to cast the: slightest impu-
tation upon Messrs. Carter and Bonus, he considered
himself justified in calling upon them to refund the