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o'clock, and informed the House that durinir the recess
he had issued new writs for the election of Members to
serve in Pa:lint:lent for the borough of Carlow, in the
room of Mr. Viors, dciinased ; for the county of Mayo,
in the room of Sir W. Brabazon, decd: cd ; and for
the Kirkcaldy burghs, in the room of Robert Ferg,lsuri,
decca

-t !Agree altogether in that niattera—( Hear, beer)—and
encur in such a settlement ee, might tend to secure this
reequillity and repose of Oleic parts of the world.—
Cheers from the Ministei iel bee ) This eves eliortly
distieetly the greund on which they hrd net(( d. His
ble Frieed had said that they had ronne ad the viOV..F,
He did not ken what designs Ressie might
._v e, bet she was betted by treaty to eencur iii meinteie-
,g the integrity of the Tee leish empire. 'Chet ob-
:et which they had had in view was not fleeted without
loodslied, he must deplore ; but he was cetivineed that it
'ended to secure the safety of Europe and the peace of
he world, and he trusted that before long that policy
would be concurred in by all the Powers of Europe.
He would not enter into any argument upon this, as he
rusted there was little difference of opinion. But he must
say that it was not in the power of any one country to
command peace.—( Hear, beer.) They could alter their
iwn internal laws, but they could not say they would have
ieace or they would have war. it depended upon other
Powers whether peace could be maintained, and they
could not say that under no circumstances should they con-
ent to war.--( Hear, hear.) Having said so much upon
:he general subject of the policy of the Government, he
eould not but express, in conclusion, the very great satis-
faction which ho felt in the circumstance that there was
io appearance of opposition to the Address.
Lord BROUGHAM briefly explain, d.
The Duke of WELLINGTON rose, and said that it
could not be necessary for him to do much more than to
state his desire to rupport the Address, and his hope that
;t would pass unanimously. But he must congratulate
the Government upon the ability manifested by the Noble
Mover and Seconder of the Address. The speech of the
Noble Mover involved many topics of very great import-
ance—topics too which were not at all referred to in the
Speech, but of which the Noble Earl had made the
greatest use in favour of the Government which he sup-
ported, and shown himself an able and experienced
debater. With respect to the topics alluded to in the Ad-
dress. he was one of those who approved of the measures
which had been adopted. He had looked for a great
eumber of years with much anxiety to the state of the
Levant ; indeed, if he was not mistaken, he drew
their Lordships' attention to the subject at the time
when the events occurred which had occasioned the present
state of affairs in the Levant. He must say that under
these circumstances he had heard with the greatest satis-
faction that her Majesty's Government were taking the sub-
ject seriously into their consideration, with a view to apply
the best means in their power for the pupose of removing
the dangers with which Europe was threatened by the
state of things in the Levant. He hoped, and thought
there was every reason to believe, that these dangers had
been removed, and he trusted that the negotiations which
were in progress would end in the manner to which his
Noble Friend had adverted, and that France would join
with the other Powers in a measure which would secure
the peace of Europe and of the world. He had heard a
good deal that night, and upon other occasions, of what
was called an alliance between France and England.
England and France had certainly co-operated on seve-
ral occasions from benevolent motives and purposes; and
they had co-operated separately from the other Powers in
the affairs of the Peninsula and the Netherlands; but he
kne •V of no other alliance between them. They consulted and
acted together upon many points, which were the subject
of general interest in Europe; but he knew of no
alliance peculiar to them in the general alliance
end treaty of the various Powers of Europe ; at Aix-
la- Chapelle they acted in concert ; but they had
often acted otherwise than in concert.—( Hear, hear.)
My Lords (continued the Noble Duke), I cannot forget
that, when I had the honour of being the Representative
of this country at Verona, I was separated from all the
other Allies on that occasion, and we differed with France
on the subject of the expedition to Spain. I came away
from Verona, my Lords, on that occasion, and the ques-
tion to which I refs r was then debated and settled in both
Houses of Parliament ; but the result of our difference
with France at that time had not led to any strong or vio.
lent measures, and I do not see that there was any neces-
sity that it should have been the case in the recent instance
between this country and France.—( Hear, hear.) I must
say, my Lords, that in the course of these transactions I
I have seen nothing that can reasonably be called discour-
tesy towards the French nation.—(Cries of " Hear,
hear.") I have lamented, indeed, that the negotiations
between the two Governments should recently have
been carried on through the medium of private notes,
rather than by the ordinary means of diplomatic ar-
rangement ; but, if these forms are observed, surely
there cannot be room for a charge of discourtesy. This
is the only fault that I have, so far, been able to per-
ceive with respect to recent transactions ; but if all parties
agree to carry on this correspondence by private notes,
rather than by diplomatic notes, the people—the public.—
may, and perhaps with justice, complain ; but I must say
that, throughout the whole affair with the French Govern-
ment, not knowing more than has publicly appeared as to
the ground of the difference between England and France,
I see no reason for France to find fault, any more than I
did to complain on the occasion when I was left alone at
Verona, when all the other Powers took another course
from that which I pursued myself.—(Hear, hear.) I
therefore must do the Noble Viscount (Palmerston) the
justice to say that I do not see that there was any dis
courtesy practised, or that any discourtesy was intended.
—( Hear.) With respect to what my Noble and Learned
Friend opposite has said regarding Russia, I must remind
my Noble and Learned Friend that, at least in my
opinion, his charges against Russia and her objects in the
Levant cannot be said w arise out of this question.—
( Hear, hear, hear.) I must remind my Noble urn! Learned
Friend that. so far back as the years 1831, 1832, and
1833, the Russian Government made strong and frequent
representations to this country and to Franco with a view
to prevent an invasion of Syria by Mehemet Ali, and even
then foretold that the result of the neglect of Europe
to settle the question of the Syrian invasion of Turkey
would be that they would be under the necessity of
marching an army to Constantinople. My Lords, I
must say that when in office in the years 1834 and
1835, I felt clearly the inconvenience of this state of things
in the Levant, and I was in hopes that the Emperor of
Russia might be induced to take some measures to put an
end to that state. I have no doubt that the Emperor of Rus-
sia felt the inconvenience of the Treaty of Unkiar Ske-
lessi, and that had he acquired other security for that
afforded to him by that treaty, he would have been ready
to accord with the other Powers; and I think that it is
not exactly reasonable to say at all times of that Sove-
reign that he seeks other of jects than those he professes,
and to cry out at the present moment, " No, it is not for
this object he combines, but for some other object of his
own, for the object of breaking up the alliance between
England and France."—( Hear, helm.): I believe that
what the Emperor of Russia alleges ho is sincere in.—
( Hear.) My Noble and Learned Friend alluded to the
excitement which has prevailed in this country with re-
spect to the pt eservation of peace. My Lords, I must
say, in the presence of my Noble Friends near me, who
have not had the same opportunity of knowing it that I
have, and I assure my Noble and Learned Friend that
neither he nor any other man living has done one
half as much for the preservation of the peace of the
world, and above all for the honour of France herself, and
for the settlement of those questions in which France was
more immediately concerned, than the person who has
now the honour of addressing your Lordships did, under
the instructions of the Government lie was serving.—
( Loud cheering.) With that view, from the period of
1814 up to the last moment in which I remained in the
service of my King, I did everything in my power, not only,
for the preservation of the peace of Europe and for the con-
tinuation of the good understanding existing between this
country and France, but moreover to place France in the
situation she ought to fill in the councils of Europe ; and
that from the conviction I felt, and which I feel at the pre-
sent moment as strongly as ever, that France should occupy
her station amidst the councils of Europe in order that the
peace and tranquillity of the world should be preserved,
that justice should be done, and that sound decisions should
be come to on all questions affecting the nations of Europe.
—( Loud cheering.) My Lords, I and the Hon. and
Noble Friends who acted with me in 1830, clearly proved
by our conduct in office at the time that we were as anxious
for the preservation of the peace of Europe as any men
could be, whether of " liberal politics "or otherwise, and as
desirous for the good undeistereiieg of this country with
France—( Hear)—arid particularly that France should be
upon a good understanding with all the Powers of. Europe,
and that she should take that piece in the rank of nations
becoming her interest, her station, her power, and her
civilization.—( Cheers.) My Lords, I felt called on to
make these remarks in consequence of a hat fell from my
Noble and Learned Friend opposite upon the great excite-
merit which prevailed in this country respecting the appre-
hended war. My Lords, I believe and hope that the No-
ble Lord opposite will be enabled to reconcile France with
the arrangement of affairs made in the Levaet, and nothing
will be more satisfactory to me than to see France re.
stored to that seat which she ought to hold in the councils
of Europe. The Noble Duke concluded his speech amidst
general cheering.
Lord BROUG AM—lf by what I have said I have
drawn from the Noble Duke that statement with which he
concluded his speech, I may with confidence say that I
have rendered the most unportant service that man could
for the preservation of the peace of the world,—( Hear. )
The Address was then agreed to, and their Lordships
adjourned till One o'Clock to. morrow (this day).

or to congratulate them on more glorious prospects
than those which were now before them.—(Cheers.)
In entering on the discussion in which they
swre now about to engage. he should endeavour
to do so as much as possible without any party feeling,
in order to show lion. Gentlemen opposite that it was
his wish to endeavour as far as possible to conciliate all
parties. The great object was to secure the entire and
cordial co-operation of the House in the Address he
should presently have the honour to move. The first
topic to which he should allude was not touched upon
by her Majesty in her Speech, though it held a pi mnincot
p irt in the Address he was about to move. It was a
subject not more prominent in this Address, than in the
hearts and affections of all her Majesty's subjects. It
was a subject on which his feelings irresistibly carried
him along, and it gave him the greatest pleasure to feel
it was a subject on which he could indulge the full, un-
restricted expression of that pleasure in common with
every other gentleman in the House, and every loyal
subject out of it. The event of such national importance
to which he alluded was the birth of a Princess Royal
of this country.—(Cheers.) On this point there could
he no diversity of opinion ; and he felt he did but do
justice to all Hon. Members when he stated Isis con-
viction that he (lid but express the feelings present in
their hearts, in asserting that that House viewed with the
most unbounded delight and joy that auspicious event.
When the House met last year to address the Throne
on the deelaratjon of her Majesty of an intention to
contract marriage with his Serene Highness Prince
Albert, they did so in fond anticipation that a step,
which was so fully approved of,and met with such univer-
sal approbation, would, through Divine Providence, be
attended with all the blessings and domestic comfort
and happiness by which it was the ardent de-
sire :of all her subjects that her Majesty should
be surrounded. if then they did, as undoubtedly
theyi did, derive inexpressible joy from the anticipa-
tions and fond hopes they wore led to entertain,
how rejoiced should they be to behold the accom-
plishment of all those fond wishes, and how gratefully
they should thank the Almighty Giver of all Good
that ho had deigned to hearken to and answer
the nation's prayers to protect her Majesty through
all the perils she had undergone, and to give
to the country a direct heir to the throne,
who, he sincerely trusted would have her mother's vir-
tues,*and would preserve unimpaired the Constitution
of the country.—(Hear, hear.) He now turned from ,
the many pleasing reflections the subject he had
adverted to :produced,, to a subject calculated
to raise up feelings of honest pride and ex-
ultation in the heart of every Englishman ;
he alluded to the glorious achievements which had been
accomplished, not only at Acre but on the banks of
the Indus and at China. The latter triumph might
not be so glorious as that of Acre or the banks of the
Indus, but it was not less important in its results. Those
achievements had not been undertaken for the purpose
of territorial aggrandizement, hut for the establishment
of the independence of the Ottoman empire, the better
government of India, and to repel an insult on the
part of China, and to obtain for the merchants of Eng-
land redress. Their objects also were to vindicate the
national honour, and to place the commerce of the
country upon a more sure foundation. It was pleasing
to reflect that in all these undertakings her
Majesty's efforts had been either crowned with
success or were upon the eve of being so. With
respect to the political state of the country, he had no
hesitation in asserting, that upon the success of the
measures of her Majesty's present Government, the in-
terests of the country mainly depended. The course they
had hitherto pursued had been iltended with the most
beneficial results. They had riNntained the peace of
Europe under circumstances unexampled in the his-
tory of any nation. Her Majesty in her Speech from the
Throne had declared it to be her intention to use her best
endeavours to establish and maintain the peace of Eu-
rope, and the guarantee of the other Powers of Europe
to aid and assist in that great work would allay those
fears which had been excited in consequence of what
had taken place in some parts of the Continent.—
(Hear, hear.) The settlement of the Eastern ques-
tion had been rendered certain by the glorious success
of the British arms at Acre, end by the arrange-
ments that had taken place the power of Mehemet
Ali had been circumscribed within its proper limits.
They had the strongest assurances from the Throne
that the negotiations entered into by her Majesty with
the great Powers of Europe last year were on the eve
of being brought to a successful termination. It was to
be sincerely lamented that in the course of events France
had thought it necessary to withdraw her assistance from
the other great Powers, which had confederated solely
for the purpose of maintaining the peace of Europe and
the safety of its political relations. It was, however,
satisfactory to know, and it was matter of self-congra-
tulation to this country, and to her Majesty's Ministers,
that the righteous objects they had in view, and which
it was their determination to secure, had been attained
without the assistance of France. and even in spite of
her opposition. To the former Minister of that country
another had succeeded, in whose abilities and modera-
tion Europe had reason to repose every confidence.
They might hope that France would yet see her error,
and would enter again into friendly relations with this
country, and renew her former intercourse with us.
The immense resources, and the many depeudencies of
that great empire, imposed a very serious responsibility
on those who had to conduct its government ; and it
was to him matter of rejoicing, to find in the mea-
sures and principles of our colonial policy that love
of justice, and those principles, of liberty, on which
a free country should ever act. (Hear, hear,)
It was matter of congratulation to look to the prosperous
state of our colonial possessions, and especially of the
Canadas—( Hear, hear)— to see the rapid progress of
internal improvement in those provinces, and the great
advancement of their commerce. It was most ratifying
to observe the temper with which the Canadians had
received the measure for the union of the provinces
which was passed by this Parliament in the last
Session.—( Hear, hear.) Many who were hostile to that
measure during its progress, were now doing
all in their power to smoothe difficulties, and to give it a
fair trial.—( Hear.) For his own past he felt quite as-
sured that at no distant period that country (Canada)
would become a great, commercial, and powerful nation.
(Hear, hear.) Amongst the intentions which her Ma-
jesty intimated to Parliament, none would be received
with greater pleasure than her declaration of the neces-
sity for maintaining economy in every department
of the State, so far as was consistent with a
due regard to the exigencies of the country. A
necessity had arisen for sending out two power-
ful fleets to carry on operations, one of them in
a very distant part of the world. This necessity
had naturally entailed a very great expense upon
the country. But expensive as those armaments
were, the expenditure was of small importance, com-
pared with the maintenance of this country's honour,
and the protection of our fellow-subjects and allies
in all parts of the world.—(Cries of " Hear, bear.")
In reference to that part of the Speech which alluded to
the administration of justice, we understood the
Noble Lord to say that the present state of the
Court of Chancery was a crying evil, and_ com-
plained of from one end of the country to the other.
Of course upon that subject there would be great
diversity of opinion, but he did trust that Parliament,
in whatever alteration it might make, would, as far as
possible, remove the evils which were complained of.
There was another subject reterred to in the Speech
from the Throne in which the House must feel a very
deep interest, the expiration of the power of the Com-
missioners under the Poor-law Act during the present
year. He felt satisfied that Parliament and
the country in general held the Poor-laws in very
high estimation. Its advantages had been felt throughout
the kingdom not only in the improved social condition,
but also in the improved moral condition of the
peasantry, and, he felt perfectly certain, to make the
best possible provisions for continuing these benefits.
Another subject alluded to was the state of Ire-
land. Much good had been done in that country
by the present Government, and had they power
much more would be done. He hoped Parlia-
ment, before long, would receive more thankful
fruits of their anxiety to bring forward measures for the
improved condition of that country. There was a Bill
o be brought before the House by the Attorney-Gene-
ral for Ireland, which he looked forward to with the
deepest
that
anxiety,of
Registering Votes. He sincerely
hoped viz. a Bill for the Improvement of
the
that Bill would be favourably re-
ceivedin legislating for Ireland the House
Mode
wauld ;nott
not consider how little, but how much, it
could do for its benefit. He implored the House to
consider ho.v fair and just the demands of Ireland were.
She required and asked for nothing more than to be put
on an equality with the people.of
oily nation. hells`
manded nothing more than equal l privileges. e
the House grant these, and they would make her a
peaceful and happy nation—withhold them, and he
shrank from the consequences.--( Hear, hear.) He
implored the House to grant this common justice,
and they would then be able to solve the enigma
which had been asked in this House so frequently in
legislating for Ireland—they would be able to make her
contented, hannY, and prosperous—not only a source
of strength, but also of commercial wealth.
Ho was happy to bear testimony that Ireland partici-
pated in the general prosperity that pervaded every
part of the empire. She was improving in wealth and
industry, and great benefits were perceptible from the
care that had been taken to disseminate throughout the
party spirit and religious rancour did exist to a
country the advantages of education.—(Hear.) Al-
was yielding to order and law, under the
tcheortnagiinl extent throughout that country ; still he believed
benign influence of the Government. These
rem matters which agitated and disturbed the
in Ireland, and this was one that created
ticp.lreiliarebttnladiicsnityltryniaf:nl7dde
great grief in his breast—he need hardly say he alluded
to the repeal of the Union. To that measure
he was most determinedly and decidedly opposed
and therefore he could not view it without fear and
apprehension at any time ; but that fear and apprehen-
sion was a hundred fold augmented when he saw the
repeal of the Union agitated at a moment when the

NEW MEMBERS.
Mr. CAILENV took the oaths and his seat for
the county of Wexford, and Mr. PtnoT, the
Attorney-General for Ireland, took the oaths and his
seat, upon his re-election for Clonmel.i
CARLOW ELECTION.
Sir T. FREMANTLE stated that there was an-
other Hon. Member (Col. Bruen) who was waiting to
take the oaths and his seat for the County of Carlow,
but there was an error in the date of the return. The
election took place on the 30th of November, and a
return was made on the sth of December, but by some
accident or mistake it was dated the sth of November.
He (Sir Thomas Freemantle) apprehended that it was
merely a clerical error, and that it did not affect the merits
or validity of the election ; but if any doubts were en-
tertained upon the subject, he was prepared to point
out a similar case which occurred in the year 1792.
The Honourable Baronet then referred to the
Journals, from which it appeared an entry had
been made, to the effect that the House be-
ing informed there was a mistake in the
last return of a Knight of the Shire for the county of
Huntingdon, the return being dated April 15, instead of
May 15, it was ordered that the Clerk of the Crown
do attend and produce the return. That having been
done, and a Member having informed the House that he
was present at the return, and that it was made on the
15th of May, it was ordered that the return should be
amended by inserting May instead of April. The Hon.
Baronet concluded by moving that the Clerk of the
Crown do attend the House forthwith and produce the
return.—Agreed to.
The Clerk of the Crown immediately attended and
produced the return.
On the motion of Sir THOMAS FREMANTLE
the entry on the Journals was read.
Mr. ARCHDALL stated that he was present at
the election for Carlow, when Colonel Bruen was re-
turned. The election took place on the 30th of No-
vember, and the return was made on the sth of De-

cember.
Sir THOMAS FREMANTLE then moved that
the return be amended by striking out November and
inserting December, which was accordingly done.
The subject was then dropped.
POOR-LAWS.
Mr. E. J. STANLEY gave notice that, on the part
of Lord John Russell, the Noble Lord would, on Mon-
day, the 29th of February, move for leave to bring in a
Bill for the continuance of the Poor-law Commission for
a limited period.
REGISTRATION OF ELECTORS.

The HONOURABLE GENTLEMAN also gave notice
'bat, on Wednesday, February the 3d, Lord John
Russell would move for leave to bring in a Bill
to amend the Laws relating to the Registration
of Parliamentary electors in England and Wales ; and
that on Thursday, the 4th of February, Lord Mor-
peth would move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend
the laws relating to the registration of voters in Ire-
land.—(Hear,) The Noble Lord would also move
on the 9th of February for leave to bring in a Bill to
amend the laws relating to the drainage of lands in
Ireland.
ADMINISTRATION OF JUSTICE.
(IREL AND).
The HONOURABLE GENTLEMAN also gave notice that
on Tuesday, the 2d of February, Lord Morpeth would
move for leave to bring in a Bill for. the better admi-
nistration of justice in Ireland.
EAST AND WEST INDIA DUTIES.
EQUALIZATION.
The HONOURABLE GENTLEMEN also gave notice, on
the part of Mr. Labouchero, that, on Tuesday the 2d
of February, he (Mr. L.) would move for leave to
bring in a Bill to equalise the duties on East and West
Indis Rum—and that on Thursday the 4th of February,
Mr. Labouchere would move for leave to bring in a
Bill for the better regulation of railways.
NEW WRIT FOR MONMOUTHSHIRE.
Mr. E. J. STANLEY then moved for a new writ
for the county of Monmouth, in the room of Mr. Wil-
barns who had accepted the Chiltern Hundreds.
The HON. GENTLEMAN also moved that a new writ
be issued for Canterbury in the room of Lord Albert
Conyngham, who had accepted the Chiltern Hundreds ;
also for the borough of Walsall, in the room of Francis
Finch, Esq., who bad also accepted the Chiltern
Hundreds.
Mr. KEMBLE moved that a new writ be issued
for the Eastern Division of Surrey, in the room of
Richard Alsager, Esq., deceased.—Ordered.
NOTICES OF MOTION.
Mr. FRES H FIELD gave notice that on Thursday
next he would move for the production of any written
communication which had taken place between the
Lords of the Treasury and the Commissioners appointed
to inspect harbours relative to the port selected for the
departure of the East India mails.
PUNISHMENT OF DEATH.
Mr. KELLY gave notice that on Tuesday the
9th of February, he would move for leave to bring
in a Bill for the Abolition of the Punishment of Death
in certain cases.
Mr. E WART gave notice that it was his intention
to move for a new constitution of the Com-
mittees on Private Bills in order to pro-
vide against improper local interest, and increas-
ing the responsibility of Members on such Com-
mittees by reducing the number. Also, that on Tues-
day, the 9th of February, be would move for the
reduction of the duties on East India produce, including
tobacco, and to assimilate the duties upon such pro-
duce to those levied upon tine produce of the West
Indies.—( Hear, bear.)
IRISH REGISTRATION BILL.
Sir 'l'. FREEMANTLE, on the part of the Noble
Lord, the Member for North Lancashire, (Lord
Stanley), gave notice that on the 2d February, he (the
Noble Lord), would move for leave to bring in a Bill
to amend the law relating to the Registration of Voters
in Ireland.—(Cheers.)
Mr. O'CONNELL was about to give a notice, when
he was interrupted by
The SPEAKER, who said the Hon. Member ought
to put his name upon the List-
Mr. Sergeant 'FALFOUR ID gave notice that on to-
morrow he would move for leave to bring in a Bill to
amend the Law relating to Copyright.
Mr. BROTHERTON gave notice that on the Ses-
sional Orders being moved, he would move that no new
business he commenced after twelve o'clock.—(Loud
laughter.) •
IDOLATRY IN INDIA.
Sir R. INGLIS gave notice that on the 4th of
February, he would put a question to the Right Ho-
nourable the President of the India Board relative
to the employment of the troops in India at Idolatrous
Festivals, and upon the answer to that question would
depend the course he would think it his: duty to take.
ECCLESIASTICAL JURISDICTION.
Captain PECHELL gave notice that on Tuesday,
Feb. 9, he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to
amend the Tithe Recovery Act, entitled the sth and
Gth, William 4th, and to take away the jurisdiction of
the Ecclesiastical Courts, in all matters relating to
tithes under a certain amount ; and that to-morrow
he should present a petition from Sarah Young, who
was then confined in Monmouth gaol. for not appearing
to a citation of the Bishop of Landaff.
PARISH CONSTABLES.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL gave notice that on Mon-
day, the Ist of February, he should move for leave to
bring in a Bill to regulate the payment of Parish Con.
stables.

CONSTABULARY.
Mr. HODGES gave notice that to-morrow he should
move for leave to bring in a Bill relative to the appoint-
ment of the County Constabulary.
Mr. FOX MAULE gave notice that on Tuesday
the 9th February he should move for leave to bring in a
Bill to improve the practice and extend the jurisdiction
of County Courts, and on the same day he should move
for leave to bring in a Bill to extend the jurisdic-
tion of the Court of Chancery in matters of bankruptcy.
REGISTRATION OF VOTERS.—IRELAND.
Mr. O'CONNELL gave notice that if the Bill of
the Noble Lord, the Member for Lancashire, did
not contain a clause to define the franchise, he should
divide the House on the motion for leave to bring in
the Bill.—(Hear and a laugh.)
Mr. HERRIES wished to know if there would
be any objection to his moving for certain returns re-
lative to the funded and unfunded debt ? and gave no-
tice that he should move for these returns on the
motion for going into Committee of Supply.
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AddressC H .b—e
presentedrr n E A DtDo lhteEr SS.
The SPEAKER said that he had that day attended
her Majesty at the House of Peers. Her Majesty had
made a most gracious Speech to both Houses of Parlia-
ment, of which, for greater accuracy, he had procured
a copy, which he would then read.
The SPEAKER. then read her Majesty's speech, which
will be found elsewhere.
Lord BRABAZON said that in rising to move that
a humble Address be presented to her Majesty, in an-
swer to her most gracious Speech, he felt. the greatest
possible pleasure—a pleasure unalloyed by any dis-
agreca'nle feeling, except that occasioned by his
own utter inability to do justice to the subject
Ma-
jesty, expressive of the grateful sense which the House
retained of the most gracious Speech which she had
that day been pleased to deliver from the Throne, he felt
b appy that the subjects to which he should have to draw
their attention were such as would confidently enable
him to anticipate that Hon. Members on both sides of
the House would cordially agree with him in the Ad-
dress which he was about to propose. Seldom had it
fallen to the lot of any one standing in the situation in
which he then stood to have to direct; the attention of
the House to topics of greater interest than those which
, had been put forward in the Speech from the Throne,

HOUSE OF COMMONS, JAN. 26
The doors of the Gallery were opened shortly before
two o'clock, and on our admittance the general ap-
pearance of the House s..ruck us as much lighter than
last Session. The interior has been repainted of a light
cream colour. The bode lights occupy the same places
they did at the close of the Session ; they have, how-
ever, been ornamented in such a manner as to give
them a much more elegant appearance than formerly.
The attendance of Members was scarcely so nume-
rous as it usually is at the commencement of a Session ;
the only occupants of the Treasury Bench at two
o'clock were Sir Henry Parnell and the Attor-
ney-General, while the front bench of the Opposi-
tion was at that hour quite unoccupied. Mr. Ewart,
who entered the House shortly after two o'clock, seated
himself for a while on the front opposition bench in the
place usually occupied by Sir Robert Peel, but he soon
crossed over to his old place, and joined Mr. Hawes on
the second bench on the Ministerial side. The only
Conservative Member of any importance, who was
present at this time, was Sir Frederick Pol-
lock. Shortly after two o'clock, however, the House
began to fill rapidly. At twenty minutes alter two Sir
Augustus Clifford, -the Gentleman Usher of the Black
Rod, announced to the Speaker and the House that her
Majesty required their immediate attendance at ti►e bar
of the House of Peers, and in obedience to this an•
nouneement the Speaker, accompanied by the
greater number of Members then present, and pre-
ceded by the Sergeant at Arms, bearing the Mace,
left the House. The Speaker returned after an ab-
sence of about ten minutes, and the House adjourned
during pleasure.

The SPEAKER resumed the Chair at Half-pact Three

. ..
greateSt concord and union wererequired atnong ail shades f cherish tire -greater blessing Of peace, idly and gone- 1 proof—it wan that thas we could not hase acquired by that
ot Reformers to maintain that poaer and that position reasly extending such civil ;had religious benefits as exp..,,tliti..:l any ine•ilia. ied sceuritv aganist Russian -
which they now had. He -implored those who advocated might prove bleseaa gs 1.0 neaseend whatever their stile soil way 'ia,.„•,- .s i sey.theetna.in instiga‘torugsgfrttf:::
, N. he sia ass ter
that measure to pause ere some calamity befcl the or statien, tl•* creed or colour. anion es d : - • ' ‘..
a 0 bad been tLking Secunti., s ilga.inst Russia
her-
country, williCh they woul:l 1.1,: the first to regret. He with the propriety of the. Address of this :Neteblees 11•''lie'rvrCls,
saerci.c•.TN'iNnrees'taun.ecto, and with the es-operation of raussia her-
felt Inci:et..o trespassed on time House too load—ire had with respeet to the reasons of- conara; scm:wor ro4i:mo both on :1;11st:hong thouvery,pa,r, parry is imioint we sus-
tenc.UtC.::
le:,_it'd •Tpl on
;more eubissits than one which her .I\ll- account of our domeetie ,a..-ISe •-171,1' peeled of enter.tuairci
sr,ftT,,fl- st);,pogst
dr e atebhaetr o,
is,ed
'jugs,' isoM n(e e real ro,to r hear.)
It.lr
jest;
by
tilo,einitoneil in her Spceett, and he wonld con- faire, he hoped that at such a thrice Iree - Unless obsy
Brunow—aho ac (Mr. Grote) had 'heard was
tile, House for the patient bearing when all should be sunshine, Coancoro', a"t''r-r)11 uPutinr;°e'r '
they had ' a't4flotr)ginsidercil a ficron of very tiistinguished rages:ht.--
mad calling upon them, rupted happiness, they would unite in' a corgratul...-- 17n
with earnest ci'mil;fl` a, him'
to support the Address tory Address, expressing their sincere loyalty' and „f- of it.l'rissln°❑ w"s
""ning
his oj.-In harvest, the Government
eountry meet base been mistaken. Car af those
which he had the honour to move.--(Cheers.) 'lle fiction, and their deep sense of . avaa'tu I- for the, conclusrons must be come to—cith • • Russia I• d ^ -
, i sos to—either had ho eg
Noble Lord then read the address, which was an echo general prosperity which, under ...Divine Providence, igfessive designs at -all, and in that case their motive for
intermeddlifing. fell to the ground,
.ariol their precautions
of her Majesty's speech. the Government policy had produced.
were sueirmeersuueohus ;or else she had aggressive i
Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY in rising to sea Mr. GROTE rose and said, In offering tou, the iles_gof., but
as. could
,be executed as well after the ex-
cond the address to the Crown, was happy in having House a few remarks upon the
isoiked"
should[
hich they w
I not pulsion from' Syria of Mehemet Ali as before i'. CI .
that oyppoonrtthoenity of congratulating the House and the had been proposed for adoption,
eboyuitetrr
Ma
jest which iilternative they 'night, he should •y 1 • 'e
"."6L
,sfo_rsoign and domestic policy pursued think it necessary to examine in detail the Speech
yki vernment.—.(-lear, bear, hear.)— livered front the Throne, nor to touch upon Itll, -
Although attached pestition afforded to u; no possible security against
to a Liberal policy as he was; and even upon most, of the topics which it brought bef!loo,r vren she might entertain. Finding nothirg whi'ch c'ouole-1
a supporter of the present Government as he had been them. He need hardly say that in the expression of appear to loon to be sound or satlsiactory in 'the -rom .
on many important occasions, yet be felt eon- congratulation which it had been proposed to offer to on support ofa t;?.:),,etrieli)i,otil.tiibeciicof
vinced he shouldobjectiontl,Niobtbol Noble
t-1;' ' and' he seas
gi.‘,''-'°s'i:-..
not effer to the car of tl • t House her Majesty with refetence to the birth
rreodf.
floored
that
ps•_a_. to take .
nay) had theca sent to the Sjriair
one single sentence of congratulationaiii thatla would the Princess Royal, he most sincerely concurred. l
iibireti•it' a.purpose of I:revlting oiny wrong to
not meet with the views of wto heard hint. He was sure that upon that point at least there would
He was fain to believe that there did not exist a man be no difference of opinion in the House. 'rim Speech, d h (, r) ,rot for the purpose of prof:wino- i, ,
a vantage to the nation—not even fur the .'''‘ • )
in England, Ireland, or Scotland whose breast had been taken as a whole, appeared to him net to be very rich
lit' repelling foreign invitehrs from the Ottoman empire
pso 'Joao
dead to the news which arrived by every Indian mail, in promise. It dwelt principally upon foreign affairs—
p'‘,imtsvlcurnfutli' ea
:Sod rdpins:tti'i cassisting
the
detailing the triumphs of British arms throughout the topics certainly of great importance but he must almneighbour—heSulsuon tod stubtilue a'
length and breadth of the continent of India. He eon- remark, that even with regoaort\leteo foarteliigneahtfia.iiris trolmeetrtmpil'es object to be neither a wise nor a legitimate o)nnes•ifour.cliritthi,altr
gratulated the country, and he congratulated the Govern- which it omitted to
went upon the Cuhnitnrey,arms or British. interference. It theyOldShim that they
ar, as being so advantageous present to the mind of many who heard him, were lstard)ley were done in pursuance of a generala.'asteirm of policy,
to the great commercsiealwinterests of that country, and of less importance than those to which it referred. There founded on guarantees, for the purpose of suppressing
here let him remind the House that among tire was one topic amongst those noticed in the Speech other attempts to dismember tine Ottoman empire—in
Iris
angry discussions of last Session, Ministers were on the which was pre-eminent above the rest in interest and (Mr. (31•°te'') 'lcy' of the question' this only made
verge of losing the reins of Government for nothaving importance, and which had excited discussion and en- matter worse. Oilier Governments might ent'er into such
counselled a submission on the part of that country to the gaged men's minds to a very remarkable degree since the guarantees, bat with his coesent Englatniclieyshtonui",dhtneevqeuraidlyo
indignities of Commissioner Lin, and the injuries which House last mot. He alluded to the Syrian expedition'
British merchants had sustained—(Hear, hear)—he its causes and its consequences. Upon that topic Inc so. If that principle were acted on,
well enter into guarantees with regard to Pe' •
~,rsivaL,uolrd"bie
would remind thed Right Hon. Baronet the Member for should entreat permission of the house addressEmpire of Morocco ; such a policy, however'
to
Pembroke ; although he now heard him, that them a few remarks. In approachingthe subject it reckless and extravagant on the part of the kiov%. rinnunet
of England. It could produce no national benefit,
Right Hon. Baronetan' could not forget that he had was his first duty to say that he thorouehl : heartilyl.ej_
am
been greatly instrumentalo in opposing the motion concurred in the remarks which had beetYin'rema,didbotli while it would involve the country in expsnses
which he would defy any imagination 'to atipitte.
twhhat: n
biet wasni
iir ught forward. Still he felt coeddent by the mover and seconder of expulsion of Aleliernet Ali :rem Syria'llad been now
g (IHon. Baronet was too generous a p - in commendation of the gallantry, the eilici re's'
cgo',li_licsulaniated, whether for good or evil, but the system of
litij the
foe, and too enlightened a statesman, not to join and the naval skill and decision which htl .beenendNeijs-:
11)1(arlitc.),s' with perils.
him and the. House in congratulating the country on its played by our army and fleet on tire Syriant (coast towards the Ottoman Empire was preg-
and) Immerailas.eincrltehad been opened may on the first
parr,taasiounstt
Crtiutitunphaint position. Whenoperationscommenced one could feel that more sincerely than he did.'' But page,
ed—anor hen°feu•rgvettittillattrpuagtedwtase• shNoVueldhad- M-
tre remoteness of the seat of war, the while he perfectly coincided with- the Noble Mover of need escao
—the present terrible reality yof al:yet:min; in_ the
that
novelty of the' circumstances, and the enormous flume- the Address in applauding the merits of our officers and
of a European war • but he did not f the less
ifel.ar that are
rival strength of the power against which they wore to our seamen, he was sorry to say that he could not soin-
scooinoteetard, might well have raised a doubt in the minds of' chic in applauding the spirit inexpedition It
been urged on ;but
the verse ar, hear.)
it thatt expedition It should be remembered that the tero7t(ooiryatstynitenis
swtiinsietilirchiassitre ; but they had now seen that the had been conceived, or th.
) purposesliwe( intdeil
policy instructions to the Admiral to accomplish.—(Hear, hear.) 'll I r ('''as couldnsot of such an event were in therriselPise3 fu'll'
commanding on ( the g isyteariti o was founded on the most forget that they had been exertin,, their. L.? chief.—( Hear.) England and :ill the other .11:itaionnn'i,s:'
ae,gair. t_ Europe kept up war establishiniAits—(llear)—and mos 't
just calculations. t must be most gratifying to the persons with whom they had not the' slenderestec ground tinned the position of what moin.iwyalled an armed rea.:.."-
breasts of all, that a mere handful of men, schooled of quarrel. Neither Mehemet Ali nor litiistepartisans,
INiow that so itself was no light or trivial cyil.—(Meier.
to forbearance, but determined on success, had humbled nor any person in Syria, had inflicted smallest utthe feeling in which it originated was of a lios'liiie
theEm brutal), prcitle. of an enormous empire, and forced the wrong or damage either upon Englishmen or upon Eng-
r.,,tendency ; it
gooney
the uncertainties as to the future;
:i_ureei,ttic,qlbiteilicitimiatlrnayedolfnectavpital,
land awakens dreams of coo-
n. complaints to
Ie ror of tuna for the future to regard the humblest lish interests.—(Hear.) They had no no
merchant, while trading with that country with redress, no injuries to revenge, Yno trroundet)fonsr angerund ori tt Lisilacawhilst it raised
honourEnglish andre respect.f Not only was the highly-trium- displeasure against any body ; nay, so far i anist anxious apprehensions in .ES'inrioltuirters i
n °TT') pcioninomena were
pliant heNiouble Lord likely to be productive was concerned, and the Christians resident in Syria,great evils in themselves. Let the housee
animas of the English omeoldosle;aeonieatpbeeople to.avalirtdrassetacttheostehmei;
ofhe beneficial results a mercantile. point of view, but stood upon record that they bad been befriended by lic in the beginn past year, and would
. to regard them in a religious point of Government of the Paella of Egypt. 'Whether his Go- any man say that that change was i
~, , not to be deplored ?--
tIOW—(A laugh)—and that the dawning light was vernment had been comparatively better or compare- ( Hear, bear)—would any man say that it was a subject k!
cy)ocngrattuda2tion
iiso uniqualified as the Noble Lord hod re-'
about to break through the darkness of that idolatrous tively worse than the Turkish Government which
land.—(l-lelar, hear, hear.) The mass of the Chi- preceded him, it had been indisputably authen- ,ermsear..) Hie had often heard it said by
had been taught that they were ticated that Christians in Syria had been better pro- li,rot,c'ts)l.).eesh.y - Calinlaar,
France was
atthl ant t,li e al liaii e e be-
dcalinepen'tphea enlightened and powerful nation, instead tected by him than they ever were by the Gove-n- I weenljEnc;;:nd and
bestgiseeatur.e in their
of with humblewln barbarians, and not only had England rnents which preceded him. They found it attested system of foreign policy, and was the•i.matter
ffor the
been brought into. greater repute by that policy, but both by Colonel Campbell and by Dr. Bowrina, under his tranquillity of Europe. How often was it ame
their commercial interests would be hereafter much Government the trade of England with Syria' hod bee'. gratulation to every enlightened mind, that:ol(7l°o cu;
which embittered those neighbouring nations against ear:,
better attended to. Look at the conduct of this coup- considerably increased ; that the number of English' ''
miler down to 1815, was giving way, and relat‘ioueslc:f
try in Syria—lookidtheat the glorious and biilliant career merchants there resident had greatly multi lieti,and
our ay amity and private intercourse were rapidly multiplying,. so
p unprecedented bombardment and that the Christian residents generally, to whateverp de that the mere contemplation of a state of war wab'e-
takinr, of it' Jeanat d Acre, which was not more honour- nomination they might belong, enjoyed both justice -
in coming intolerable. But how stood the fact now ? The
able to the Gallant Admiral ;who commanded than to dealing as to their property, more extended civil
.rights, feeling of union between the countries had passed away
r and seaman engaged ; and Inc would and a firmer protection against the violence of fanatical he the blame distributed as it might between both parties,—
envetrY ilaorelaivforbear from referring to the subject, although Mussulmans, than-. am Turkish Government.en had con- the old European jealousies of 1815, had been revived,
Le •t.e of his own was engaged in these operations. leered upon them.--(1-lear, hear.) I Ilotli a our expo- thespecially Oil the art of the nation which was van-
o•t them look at the simple facts. The first landing dition had attacked and ' expelled 't)lte P
coititin c.ciatit,tilia time.—(. Hear, hear.) Nothing was heard
f the Turkish troops and British and Austrian marines without any of the ordinary and universally.t' ree.cfogEndijs'epdt .u,, oosivg,autsooofttusbnliieesdoits'ethe
.Chairel,iespecially in the lead-
wrras
urkffeheted on the 10th and I lth September. 'fire motives, he would ask uponYwhat rounds wpaesdirttiourin
vce,ars- 1 t,tasnaidordi,isdivatincaittildnosiroorutsl
oildc Italia:l:lts fur
reparation on tPtie one side
rocitamounted to about 6,000, the British taken? They had been told thatg that ex
marines tot about 1,500, and the Austrians to 230 ; the undertaken as a part of a scheme of policy which had What a contrast was there iu the beginning and close-s
°offitchre
past year. Entertaining a high esteem for the French
whole did not amount to 10,000 men. The troops of for its object to maintain the independence and into- nation, he looked upon tire rupture of the alliance as a
Ibrahim amounted to 6,000 men, in different parts of grity of the Ottoman empire. On referring back, they singular mistortuec to both parties ; and he deplored it
the country, but the people of the country were all found that a guarantee for such maintenance teas given the more, when he was compelled to recollect that the
asigoainrsat
intn, having been driven by cruelty and oppres- on the "ith of July, 18•391 by the Five Greatyinitial
acause
Lof this change—the tropical-point from which
esperution. They therefore flocked to the sea of Europe. He (Mr. Grote) must say that to Powershnit tait:ce:rltrhLiast rays from the nations
beanch for' and from first to last received 30,000 this explanation of the object and the principle of of ‘E'uurope 107,csienatiegdatiwitti (flear.)
stand of arms. weapons,A Turkish reinforcement followed the the expedition was not sufficiently satisfactory He Ile entreatled the !louse to look to Ywhat bjul)%* had ac-
cruA by our victories which counterbalanceendemism
tfirst expedition, and then from 12,000 to 14,000 Turkish could not admit the policy or the propriety
of the hostile feelings of 1815. The Noble LortdellardeViV'l
rOOps were engaged. These troops, he thought, had of the expedition ; still less could he admit'
that the Easteat Question was settled, but lift
o esi.-txiecn'teLcieel;ilsel
laeli
rentrdy):.
found in Commodore Napier a man possessed of the the policy or the propriety of that system which it pro•
what he had unsettled.--(Clicers.) The Nob!:
most dauntless courage, of the most daring enterprise, posed to enforce generally, or of that guaranteeref which it for Foreign Affairs had cured a
itsdtedmiiipvcerninittihno:.
and gifted with a genius available alike on land and Proposed to carry' into effect with
.erenee to of oar continental system, and
water.—(Hear, ,hear, and laughter.) Fort after fort, the integrity of the Ottoman' empire. He and vitals. He had awakened feelings in MOO'S bosoms
and town after town surrendered to their joint attacks would, for the present, make no allusion to the which were fearfully infectious, and would spread fromleold
The Egyptians, whenever they could escape from their. Proclaimed repugnance of France to the Treaty to land. Against such risks arid mischiefs, was it sufficient
tyrants, came to make submission. The fortress of Acre, of last July ; he would suppose that France consolation• that order •reigued in Syria, and that we load
which hail defied Napoleon at the head of his best' had acquiesced in that Treaty, and he was still pre- overreached Runia by a Russian method of
troops, and had withstood every attack of Ibrahim him- Pared to contend that the expedition against Mehemet paian.—(llear.) It was complained • cam-
self in 1831 and •
1832, surrendered to a British and All was neither a wise nor a legitimate expedition. alabaster, that he risked a Euroiheat:ta agiu‘apiliounstiiustajulueldnii,o'crh-
Austriansquadron, after. an assault of less than four 'fire guarantee which was given by the Allied Power tans a question as to whether Meltetneatr
Syria. Now he (Mr. Grote) asked what mischiefa re-
tam
hours. . Never had the skill and valour of the British of Europe, on the 27th of July, 18:39 l•da•d
,p I et. those
. have arisen if the settleineht of the S‘riati question."l(i
Navy displayed itself to greater advantage, or with less Powers to the maintenance of the integrity of the
been postponed, or if it had been pert iil the sattest had
loss, their mortality having unmounted to no more than Ottoman empire under the existing That by tile a•reaty of Scutari, in 1633, upon which' the Natueb",!‘.
60 men. Compare this attack with that of Algiers, and guarantee admitted of two cons, ruct. (llia'l::%hyee.ytniglit Lord congratulated the House in Nlarch 1834, that the.
look at the results. In the latter had been lost 800 men, either take it as a covenant between those Powers dilforences of the l'orto and :\l,heinet Ali had "eon ssas_
yet this was considered as one of the greatest exploits of to abstain from any encroachment upon tli'e ' Ottoman factorily settled ? tie possessed in July Forst no greater
the British Navy. What, then, remained to them but empire—a covenant to abstain themselves, and to territory than that settlement awarded to hint. 'roe
congratulation. By sea and land their arms were secure to the Sultan all
all
.anei ferrite- Sultan endeavoured to counteract it in 1839. What the
successful. The policy of his Noble Friend ries unimpaired, so far
take i
jtolois guarantee in its la 1840, by tine Syrialt expedition. late Syrian expeolis
larger and fuller sense,' as ml to secure to the
nations in spite of the attacks of France, and the crysubservience
was avowedly to rapture the convention of Scutari, in
Turkish Sultan and his successors the whole Turkish to the new settlement of the Ottoman rsea-
at home. The Government bad done their tints', and
avers it the lust act of his Noble Friend, lie ' might empire entire and intact, to guarantee him against all pin" W"uld the new settlement
be any mot; lasting
?
lie knew that it would last so long as the Noble Lard
fairly exclaim— chance of resistance or invasion or division of his held the irresistible force he then possesses'. By the
" To-morrow do thy worst, for I territory', either from: external or internal causes, aid same means the Convention of Scutari might have
Have lived to defy." to secure him, by forcible and positive interference, been
ii made lasting, and the expedition to Syria,
—(L,liter au a .) In alluding to the Foreign policy of from any attempt at resistance or emancipation on the
and the rupture with France have been Lvoidcd.—
ei
upapdeonertititibtehevicilnei:si(tlyf
Ministers, he should refer to our relations with Ante- part of any of his subjects. Construed in the first sense, ( li..ar; hear.) If then he co Id • 1 •
raicibi.ritflic could not do better on this subject than quote the guarantee was on declaration on the part of the Five for interfering by force of arms t
sentence or two, with the permission of the Powers to defend the Porte against foreign invasion, time Ottornen Empire, he shook? still tit: :oi tdt I I
fore la'siblc
House, from the Message of the President of the and in that light it might lead to much ernbar- Lord had taken the most unexceptionable
accomplishment of that oaject. Having a knoweled,,ethof
house of Congress. The Hon. Member here read a rassment ; but in its larger and fuller sense, it
the Convention it was his elaty to take all reasonable
passage from the Message to the following effect : appeared to him objectionable upon every ground,
means of maintaining that settlement, but if the Noble
' With all the Powers of the world our relations are uncalled for, impolitic, indefinite in point of ex-
Lord chose to become himself the direct instrument of
those of honourable peace. The excitement which grew tent, and indefensible upon any correct views subverting the settlement of Scutari, anal to introduce
of international obligation. He
out of the territorial controversy between the United 'hopedGentlemen would a new settlesment of the Ottoman empire, he said is was
States and Great Britain having, subsided, it is to be not be displeased if he them whether the • had •
Y a his (Lord Palmerston's) bouriden duty to see that the new
hoped that a favourable period is approaching for its considered the extensive consequences • '
implied in this settlement was riot such as could oifford any ground of
termination. From the nature f the points • '''
o in debate, obligation on the part of England to maintainthe '
in- quarrel or disunion or hostility among the (great Powers
and the undoubted disposition of both parties to tegrity of the Ottoman empire againstt,al all causes of dis- of Europe.—(llear and cheers.) That was a goaa
bring tire matter to a conclusion, I look with memberment or disruption, In
everstudiedrotb as well as ex- pitaper object, and how the Noble Lord's plan
confidence for a prompt and satisfactory conclu• ternal ? Had they
apastincourse of' had accomplished. it, the events of the last six month* told.
sion of the negotiations."—( Hear.) The spirit of that Turkish history, so as to have becomee
of
th,t,
Governmenteguat slwitir
el-il:iewolTildd,reasoaf thusl it he could acquiesce in tlici prin:
passage proved that the Government of England had the character and workingiobti.e.p.tiototiofiu,Groeat Britain tu ins
~. teirlere to down
nta(i)n the
done. their duty in relation to that question. There which they were thus lending an artificial perpetuity' to'
pie
lie,
eneucladrintoyt
agree.t• IBtoliaen. oat tisiric,
was a recommendation in the President's Message to —( Hear, hear.) Were they aware that -quarrels '.o?f• but in this priirci
did, and feeling strongly as he did, 'isp !cv Believing
a'
tine
;which he also wished to refer. That recommendation the Paellas one with another, and disobedience of Syrian expedition, he had troubled the House' at ',Treater'
had for its object tire diminution of the legal traffic in Paellas towards the Porte, were almost a part of the SYri
length ;then he ha:: wished. fie had only a few words to
slaves, and he would wish that the advice were order of nature in the Ottoman empire *?—(Hear,
England, wherever her dominions ex- hear.) Were they then prepared to promise to the 'tined to obmtainreslll)oceLrotfhecrurt internal
alpine=
weldweiread".
their
the c 0... shadows
taken
1 by
.et , and that site. should endeavour to cradi- Sultan support against every disobedient Paella ? Wile, of timidity' had at length castt)rt uvpoon., at udd
cutehld the evil wherein it existed. That trade suppose any other Pacha in the Turkish empire, time rooted all the visions and growitig he ••• o
exploded
. now assumed a darker form than ever from the Pacha of Bagdad, or any other, should find Reform Ministry, and had perisherliks: caitai a
our- 'usable, at le...:st with regard to foreign affairs let them
injustice whi . it • eli did to those who honestly conformed means to appropriate to him-elf two or ta • •11
s threw swig 1 m
c that which had been bequeathed to them by an
to the law. Wherever that trade prevailed it should ing Pachalics, would tltey say to the Sultan, " Don't neighbour-
)reserve
i. .
un, ,cd and a reformed
%fora' 'a inistry—he meant peace
be abolished with even-handed justice. Let him,take l—
so_ with toreign Powers, bat more especially with our nearest
therefore, express a hope on that topic, that the time here is a fleet and an army ready to subdue him ' neighbour—France. He thought our most valuable and
was not far distant when her Majesty's Ministers would (Hear.) Or suppose another case, one b •
yno means most comprehensive interests had been put to hazard for
_forward complete,generous, thoroughly-provided- unlikely to occur. Suppose these very Syrians, to whom
bring a sir object not only remote, but on which we might have
for, effective measure, unrestricted to any particular re- they bad been supplying muskets to put down the had their co-operation. He therefore declined coaacurritia,
pion, for the importation of free labourers not only to the Paella, should rise and employ these very muskets insentiment ofe eh-operation or acquiesceoce in the
Mauritius, but to the whole of our West Indian colonies. establishing their own independence of the Sultan •,) infurat.'y eign policyjt\i ofs th 6 vcrtiment.--( Cheers. ).
But to return to subjects of congratulation. We had (Hear, hear.) Were they to send a fresh expedition
. fide. : , E thought the merit' of.. the foreign policy
now the full flush of important victories upon for the purpose of rccon • • '
our quering them ? He did not of the Government spoke fur itself in its resulf6, eau
now whether gentlemen had troubled themselves to ',ceded on def,nce. lie hoped the country would be lon
mind, grateful to the people, honourable to the a . , .
,the policy of ;the lion. _seat ema,.
analyse all that was contained in that ,uarantee and in spared the Calamities of
Government, and glorious to the country.—(Hear,
hear.) He would now glance at some • the l' •which 1 d
points re po ley la been pursued, but this he knew, al)Pc'sitc•—(Cl'acrS.)
in our civil and domestic affairs—and first to that it' they acted consistently with such policy, they
in
the commencement of tile Session soon after
aasn,zolosnleasand
as
soon
the New Poor-law system. The introduction of that would find themselves compelled to interfere, only itt
as
possible after the objections to the'foreign policy pf the
system was one instance amongst many s, the erro-
neous the cases which Inc had supposed, but in, not Government hial been stated, to state' Iris views or that
There
was
thousands
neous feeling witigigaich alterations of an old law is often of analogous cases which would arise. asa pecu- foreign policy, and to_ explain to the House the grourris ou
received by a par onion of the people. The new law liar reason assigned for our interference in '
the affairs of which ire rested hislapproval and support of that foreign
vas, there could be no doubt, in the first place, de- the Ottoman empire, and it was one conn 1 with
ectes. polar,
y lie felt4i.loomfielent, with regard to any further ob-
:dedl ur, o
c' y ,p pular, and it frequently happened Russia. Many persons said that if tl • s its country did not jections which might be awed relating to those quest:orms,
that the most unfit men were made the • • I •
instru- inter ere in the East, Russia would ; and if she did, she :list his Noble Prtend, the Secretary of State for Foreign
as on any future ()mi-
ld be able to promote her own ambitious views on Affairs, Would be quite ready then,
Parliament the fullest eiplanation of :he

ments of carrying it into effect.—(Hear.) He
knew instances in his own county of the
improper and oppressive administration of the law on
its first coming into operation. In one case he knew
relief to be refused to an aged couple—both npwards of
eighty years of age—who refused to go into the
workhouse, and who had never before applied for
relief in the whole course of their industrious lives.
Now, however, the provhioas of the law were curried
properly into effect. The poor were now feeling and
acknowledging its advantages. There existed now no
doubt that the Poor-law Amendment Act was pro-
gressing in the most satisfactory manner. In his own
county the rates were reduced twenty per cent., us
compared with the three years preceding the passing of
that Act. On the sth of January 1836, there were
in that county 846 able-bodied men receiving
parochial
relief'. On the sth of January 1841, there
were but 26.—(Hear, hear.) In spite of letters, writ-
ten from the felons' cell, to stir up discontent and to
render the law odious. In spite of these and other sub-
terfuges resorted to by persons who sought only by such
means to screen themselves from responsibility, it could
not be denied that, genoially throughout the coun-
try, the great mass of the people showed an im-
proved disposition to look to couscquences.—(Hear.)
lie might safely say that the snow ball of the Chartists
—rolled, in the first instance, by a disaffected people
who had nothing to lose but everything to gain—by
confusion had melted away before the wise mea-
SUIT 3 of her Majesty's Ministers and the returning good
sense of the people. Incendiarism was forgotten, and
the day labourer could now retire in peace to his
cottage. He begged pardon of the House for having
trespassed so long upon its attentior, but a sense of
duty, and a feeling of gratituk to the Government
which he had so often supported, and at other times so
freely opposed, had led him to make these remarks.
He would now express a hope that her Majesty's
Ministers, having been so successful in using the art
of war, would for the time to come sedulously

sion, to give to . art,.
grounds on which he' bad acted in pursuing the course
which he had pursued.
It would be in the remem-
brance of the House that her Alajesty, at the cum.
mencement cf the last Session of Parliament, had
informed the House that the Great Powers of Europe
had been unanimous in arresting the hostilities which
ha
taken place in the Levant, and her Majesty had forth(
expressed a hope that such unanimity might continue, arm
that the result might be the upholding the integrity and
independence of the Ottoman empire, and the, giving fresi,
securities fur the peace of Europe. He regretted to say.
and the 'Hon. Nlember for London could not feel greats'
regret than he did, that the hope which had been expressed
that unanimity might continue among the different Power%
on this subject had not been realized ; and there was no
one of the Powers of Europe whose separation from the
rest, with regard to the affairs of the Levant, be had seen
with
greater regret that the seces.don of France.--
(Cheers. ) But with regard to the great object which
they had had in view, they had succeeded, they had upheld
the integrity and independence of the Ottoman empire,
and had maintained the peace of );,gLope; and he under.
stood that the Hon. Member for tailkon admitted such tc
be the case. But with regard to the policy by which tiles(
objects had been effected, *understood that the vices o
the Hon. Gentleman differed entirely from his own. He
(Lord J. Russell) however, believed that the course
which had been pursued was, if not the only course, a;
leapt the course of all others the most likely to conduc
to the preservation of the integrity and indipendence of th
Ottoman Empire, and to the preservation of the peace c
Europe. There was no necessity for him to address are
lengthened argument to them on this head, inasmuch rt!
in the answer to the Address of last Session; the House ha'..
expressed its approval of their objects. The Hon. Mee,
ber for London himself, and the other lion. .111ernbe,
a ho differed with the Government as .to the means pte -
sued, all admitted that the preservation of the. integri.l
and independence of the Ottoman Empire was a subj.. •
of paramount importance. But the lion. Member .
London took a different view of the measures to ho pe,••
sued for the purpose of effecting this object. The lie
Member, with his usual perspicuity, had informed tr._

won._ .o pi.
the subject. That was an argument one heard very often,
Now, it appeared to him that that argument, with respect
to Russia,went on a supposition which,when plainly stated,
would appear absurd and inadmissible. It implied
that the fact of this country's being desirous of Arresting
the career and the ambitious designs which Russia was
supposed to pursue against Turkey—that, with the fact
of this country's being desirous of doing that, she had
no better means to employ than to outbid the offers
of the Emperor Nicholas to the Sultan.—( Hear, hear.)
That was what the argument supposed ; it supposed
that if he increased his forces we were to increase our ;
so that all those offers which the Emperor of Russia,
animated by some sinister object of his own,
thought fit do make, we, having no sinister objects, had
to make on our parts. He should say it appeared to
him that a pluin statement of the argument was enough !,
to show how little it ought to have guided our co?eils. •
It degraded the foreign policy of this country into a
blind imitation of whatever Russia might choose
to do. It. gave no security at the same time
against Russian ambition except such as, was
to be most troublesome, costly, and least effective.
It would appear, in fact, as if we had' no better chance
of rescuing Constantinople from Russia than constantly
outbidding the Emperor Nicholas in offers of service ;
and we certainly had very little chance of sueceding, in
that way. But it was fortunate that we did possess a
mare powerful machinery for the purpose than any thing
implied in the argument he had been stating. The
real security against the ambition of Russia, as
regarded Constantinople, was to be found in the direct
terror of our army. The fleets and the armies
of England, ready to. be employed in the prevention of
the designs of Russia, fumed a guarantee against her
usurpations, well known and suffic,ently effectual. So
long as the Emperor knew that he could not hold Constan-
tiuople without incurring the enmity of England, so long
might we be assured that he would not make an attempt on
the independence of the Ottoman empire. The objection
against the expedition to Syria, was one that required no