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London, England, 1815-05-20 00:00:00

ITOUSE OF COMMONS

Acr.uotits werc presented of the Imports into Ireland arid
the Exports from it, in the year ending-.laouary 1813. Order
Cd to lie nn.tipi table.
M. preseuted accounts of the Trade cw4ed on

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'this :runtr7 13uenns Ayits in the last t3l.re ytars.

..tkiitionA -were ,prernteil- -from '11)e liol-'in Ca'tholies of
Cork, and Waterfcrd, prayiiig to he rilrmed -from their pre-
se:,! ei;-Brhililie4, • Ordered to ,tie, on the table.
' Tr: 'Worcester Canal Eill -was read a third time and

D. (lIDDY rare Isofire, that in aftststre'stage of
.the
Dt-Ltors Fifl lie wonlArnore to compel per-
-I,.lrss orivilege- of Pssilianient to gire up their pro-
.l:-erts- sstisfv.their creditors the same a; other persons.
'llse Irish .Tisit 'Contract Bill, And the India 'Gratuities Bill,
'sr ere remi a third time, and pnscri. •
• o.ls the 'nation of NIF. GRENFELL; the Pavel—called for
I,y ass-Cs-oho ion of that-146as; en the 2Gtll April, was ordered
to he rrmluced forthwith.
Committee, Ntr: V. rITZGE,RAI.II moved that the
'('airsin:irs should he instructed to move for leave to bring in
fiiil to regniate the payment of CUstoms on ,Poreigis Goods
.'srolvorte,l fpm England into .Ireland, and also to regulate
TlLawlmclss. -allowed on ties Exportation of Goods ffunt.
trelanti. .

.'r NEWPORT hoped this Bill were necessary, that
4.:t woo:ft he so framed as• notto.istifringe the privileges with
-yespro• to the importation and exportation Of goods, to which
Ireland was entith d by the Articles of the Act of Doion.
Mr. V. FITZGERALD said, The object of ibis Bill, far
;from being- directed against privileges which Ireland en-.
4,4,4 i hem the Act of Union was intended to confirm and
those tin 'which a-doubt bad in some inste.tces been
Mr. FORNER thought the measure ill-advised, and was
bf op:illon s to which Ir.:land. was entitkd were.
secared by thy' Act -.lf Union. •
Mr. V. FITZGERALD had onlyth saw, if that should be
'the opinivn of the-House when, the was produced, he
thonl,l not Le anxious to press it, but should rest -Satisfied
that he had done his duty in bringing snch a.measure forward.
The Itesolutian was then agree-d to.. The House resumed,
-and leave was given to bring in the Bill,
Sir H. PARNEIL missed for the appointment of a Select
• committee to inquire into the state of the Roads from Holy-
livati to London ; the regultitions made :with respect to the
Pachcts ,ftiling between 1-101)Itead and Dithliri,_lee. After a
-conversatimr,-in which Mr. Peel-c, Mr. Xi... Fitzgerald, sir
Newport, the Chancellor of the Exchequc•n, ,stod Mr. Lush-
ington participated, the motion was agreed to, and a Cons-
inities• appointed accordingly.
Mr. BENNETT moved for a return of the names and
number of vessels employed as convict hulks at Langston
!larimur ; the number of convicts on board, &c. The motion
'was ogre, d
_ Mr. GOVLBURN presented Papers -relative to the con►
duet of Governor Ainslie. Ordered,to be printed.
On Ilee• motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QVER, it was ordered that the House at, its rising, should
ntourn to Monday.
Lord ALTHORi'E postponed the motion of which be had
.giTon nottce, respecting the sum advanced to the Prince Re-
geot on the occasion of -his assuming the Royal Akhority,
from Tuesday (on account of the important business which
ftto,d for that rtay), to Friday.
Mr. TIERNEY wished to know when the communication
'islich a Noble Lord (Lord Castlereagh) had promised would
'be madelo.the Honse, might he expected ?
Th.; CIJANCELLORof'the EXCHEQUER stated the corn-
`-ninhiration seas preparing, and he _Supposed it would be
lirinttibt down'in the'en-snin,g week. It was their wish that it
Etiouid he -made before the motion of the Noble Lord (Lord
Althorpe) was Brought under the consideration of the House.
DUKE OF WELLINGTON.
Mr. WHITBREAD, as lie had ucderstood from the
Chancellor of the Exchequer, ptiblic bitsiness Was'
.expected at this period of the SeSsion, to com-
mence at a quarter past four, concluded frOth not
scein, the Noble (Lord CastlereaKb), in his place
at that time (between. five and six),, that it was
likely, they would see hint there before Monday.
;He must ask a question from reading in the pub-
, lie prints a paper purporting to be a Proclamation
issued by the Duke of Wellington, which he ex-
. petted would be proved to have no foundation or
truth. A statement to this effect he had supposed
would he made before the discussion on the ex-
pected Message took place. It was necessary that
it shOuld he disavowed, for 'though it was cer-
. tainly destitute of all appearance of authenticity,
It hall caused a considerable sensation in the pub-
lic miufi. Feeling this, he now rose to ask the
Chamedlor of the Exchequer, it the paper in -ques-
tion was -a (rue Proclamation issued .by .the Duke
of Wellington or not
Mr. W. PoLt wished distinctly to answer that
Miuisters• had not the slightest reason to think
the Procl,4mation referred to,, an authentic docu-
, rnent, nor had they any grounds to suppose that
up to the present moment the Duke of Wellington
Lia(l issued any Proclamation at all.
DOCUMENTS RESPECTING MURAT.
Mr. Hoilicca thought the House, must feel it
impossible, on his part, to let this'ilay pass over
without calling its attention to what. had just been
published, with • regard to certain letters which
were read by the Noble Secretary for Foreign
-Affairs in a recent debate upon his (Mr. H.'s)
motion respecting Naples, and which letters pro-
duced a great inspressiois,upott the House, althOugh
they had no effect whatever upon his view of the
:subject. These letters were in the publication
alluded to alledged to be forgeries. Such was the
allegation of the French Journalist., But whe-

titer that allegation were true or fa!se, it was

poasi4le
..t.7) believe that the Noble Lord would

Lave produced such letters if he had not suppOsed
ti ey were gemiine. The charge, I,owever, of
forgery w made in the face of Europe, and
tbercfrwe called for explanation. That charge
might prove union nded, and recoil on the'accuser ;

but be wotdd not in the absence of the Noble

Lora state the impression: which the publication

rovrved to had produced upon his mind, That
publication, under all the circumstances, was
evidently'such as to demand inquiry ; and with a
viewllo such inquiry, there were sonic documents

wlich must belt) the archives of the Foreign Of-
- ficc, and for the production of which he thought
it necessary to move. These documents were the
letter of Count 131acas to the Noble Lord, inclos-
ing the 1-tters alluded to, and also the letter of
Lord Wellington to Count 131acas, dated in Jann-
-44:y last, a copy of which had also appeared in the
French Journal. The motion being made,
The CnAscat.t.ou of the EXCHEQQUEE expressed
a hope that the Honourable Gentleman would; in
the absence of his Noble Friend, consent to let his
Lustion stand over, ond give notice of it for a fu-
ture day. He (Mr. V.) Itad seen his Noble Friend
at 4 o'clock, and had every reasou to expect his
presence in the House in the course of the even-
ipg. Ilis Nobles Friend would no doubt, upon his
appearance, give ample explanation:uponthe sub-
ject of the comments which had appeared in the
French Journal. Without entrenching.upon.that
explanation, he (Alr.-V.) was prepared to admit
that the letter of January 4, which purported to
'be written by Lord Wellington, was a genuiDe
riper but then that letter was grounded upon
other documents.than those which had been since
discovered and read by his Noble jj'rieod in that
house. %Vile!), however, the latter were emu--

3witlicated to Lord Ilrelliogtori, they proditeeTati

immediate change in his opinion with regard to
the views and character of Marshal Murat.. -This

tit ttethent he (Mr. V.) was fully ahthorised to
make. As to the charge of forgery, the Right
liw.e. Cr.tutlealan observed, that that charge was

Tint even by the French Jonrnali,t applied to our
Government -or to -his Noble Friend ; but that
Journalist thought proper-to attribute -to the late
Government of Franca or its agents the commu-
nications of garbled docuMents to the GoVernment
of this couatry, (teethe purpose of producing an
toialue impression.
• Mr. Hoas-Eit concurred-with the Right Hon.
Gentleman, that the French paper_ contained :nai
charge of forgery against the Government of thii
-country or its agents, and in consequence of the
Right Hon. Gentleman's observation,., together
with the absence of the Noble Lord _(Lord Cas-
tlereagh) he agreed to let his motion stand over
till Monday.
The Noble Lord entered the House at this mo-
merit, ,and having taken his seat, Mr, Horner re-
peated the questions whiCh be had just put to. the
Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, . that if the Hon.
Gentleman had delayed his inquiries for a few days
until the Pipers which had before been moved for
were laid upon the table, he would have found
they contained till the information which_ lie was
so anxious to receive. With respect It) the Let-,
ter of Lord Wellington, of the 4th Jan. it was per-
fectly correct and authentic; but then it-applied to
Papers totally different from those which he (Lord
Castlereagh) li;n1 read in that House. It was true,
howevet that Papers on that subject were found in
the archives at Paris, before the Duke of Wel-
lington left that city ; but so. far as that Letter
went, it only .proved that the Duke of Wellington
was not disposed to strain any- point with respect
to the•conduet of Murat. 'lt was alledged, that
certain ,of the documents which he (Lord Castle-
reagh) had read, were either wholly fabrieated,
or in part falsified: Now those documents
amounted to eight in number, anal of five out of
those eight, be would venture to say, that not a
doubt could, exist in the most incredulous. mind
as to their being original and authentic. The re-
maining three were the only ones that might, by.
possibility, be fabricated-, and they were draughts
or minutes of letters front Buonaparte himself.
It %vas necessary he should state, that the whole
of them were transanitte'd officially to him by the
.Count de lilacas, according to the usual forms,
and authenticated by that Minister as being faith-
ful -and correct copies. The official letter of the
Count de Bla-cas, which accompanied them, would
be found among the Papers, when they were laid
upon the table. Anxious that no misrepresenta-
tion Might arise, and at the same tine not 'Wholly
without apprehension that some attempt would be
made to impeach the authenticity of those do-
cuments, the Count de Nelms took the pre-
caution of transmitting- the --originals to the
Prince of Castelcicala, .the Ambassador from
his. Majesty the King of the Two SicilicS to
this country, and obviously the fittest person
to whom such dotuments could be confided.—
He .(Lord Castlereagh) bad
,seen and examined
those originals that morning, and certainly there
thd not remain upon his mind the slightest
doubt of their-being authentic. Taking the•case,
therefore, upon the five documents only, as ap-
plicable-to the conduct. of Murat, it would appear
most satisfactorily to the House, that instead of
affording an active co-operation to the Allies, he
had balanced between them and Buonaparte, wait-
ing only for a fit opportunity•to declare for either;
as might best. suit his own ambitious views. ..The
last letter of Buonaparte, in particular, Would be
found to, be uneqiii‘oeally authentic ; and fact,
the attempt now made -to repreSent'the whole as
fabrications, was only a part of that general sys-
tean nott7.openly acted upon, of fabricating
clamations for the Duke of Wellington and Pros-
sian Governors, for the sole purpOse of delud-
ing and misleading the French nation, in order
to make them the blind instruments for car-
rying on the projects of its present'
(Ileac, hear !)—After those documents hail been
officially communicated to, him, he immediate-
ly transmitted them to the Duke of
_Welling-
too' at Vienna, and his Grace's Letter in reply
would be laid before the House, in which he
stated, that having received from him (Lord.Cl
the -proofs of Murat's,treachery during- the last
campaign, he had immediately submitted thesis to
the Allied Sovereigns, who were completely satis-
fied with them, and had determined, in conse-
quence, to commence an attack .upon Merest.
That individual, however, did_not wait foe the at- •
taek, but, in perfect consistency with his whole.
policy; and in the hope of achieving the great ob-
jectgnf his ambition, he had himself beguti hos-
tilities.. In short, the whole case of Murat's
treachery vas completely made our, by the Letter
.of. the Viceroy alone, the original of which he
had seen ; and he believed he himself knew
sufficient •of that person's hand-writing to pro-
- nounce upon it as authentie.—With regard to_
the allegation that the oilier three letters
Were either fabricated, or materially falsified
by the Count de .13laeaS, before lie transmitted
them to hint, he certainly was not inclined •to
believe it, because even supposing that a Milli_
nister of State could be base enough to forge do-
cuments of so grave a character, and give them to
the world -as original, there was_no sufficient mo-
tive for such a proceeding in the present case, for
every thing which it was necessary to prove was
Completely proved by documents unequivocally
authentic, and it would therefore have hi en a gra-
tuitous act of immorality to fabricate papers •• '
UK c-
ly to make that clearer which was already clear
enough. Upon the whole, he did not think it

necessary-for the Hon. Gentleman to persevere in
..his motion, as the object of it would be complete-
ly complied with under a former motion to which
the House bad agreed. lf, however, it was
thought desirable to produce the letter of Lord
-Wellingtoo, he certainly should feel no objection
to its production, provided it coulid be found in
the Foreign Office ; at the same time, for all the
purposes of discussion be was. ready to admit' its
authenticity.

Mr. HottNEit said, that whatever might be the
effect produced by those letters, accordingas they
should appear to
.be original or fabricated, in re-
ference to the conduct of this Governmint to-
wards Murat, was a question altogether fOreigu
from the one then before the House, which was
Merely holy far those doehments were or were not
genuine. The. Noble Lord had argued that only
three, out of the eight letters, Were
pretended to
be false ; but certainly if he (Mr, Horner) found

, that, ii` tight documents coming all t
source, .three could be proved to be forgtries,
would create a considerable doubt in his tii•ind as
to the authenticity of thttremander, and it might
be regarded as a lair inference tlkat the other five
were correct only because their fahriaation.was
not, sufficiently made out. He was quite sure-that
• if the Noble Lord himself were to be convinced
that three had been so imposed upon him, he
would place no confidence in the remainder. With
regard to the letter 'of the Duke of Wellington,
he was certainly desirous to have thatm;duced ;
but the other part of the motion he should with-
draw, in consequence of what- bad fallen froiti
the .Noble Lord, though it was .to be ietnembered
that seventeen days had elapsed since those papers
'were moved for, and they were not yet laid upon
the table. Such delay, in a patter of so mach
importance, and considering the period of the
Ses§ion, be thought highly culpable.
Lord CASTLEREAGH expressed his belief that no
-culpable delay_had arisen in the production of the
papers ; but the preparinvsuch documents wag
not a matter• of so much rapidity as the •Hon.
Gentleman seemed to think. With regard to the
inference which the Hon. Member bad thought
hint Self justified in dedneing, there certainly ap-
peared in the Manner of the Honourable Gentle-
-4.11, a sort of misplaced confidence in the intelli-
'gence obtained from the other side of the water,
as .contrasted with what was offered on this side,
and he seemed totally to forget that it was possi-
ble the documents in question mightohave been
garbled, in the same way as 01'4 were in the ha-
bit of 'garbling ot4rer documents there. If,' how-
ever, the ITon. Gentleman wished to see the oil,
ginals, he had no doubt he could procure him au
opportunity of examining them ;' and he would
then be convinced that they bore upon their face;
the impossibility of
_their being fabricated. The
case was.quite as stmbnt with regard to the eight
papers as to the five, and it 'was only a part of the
French system of creating documents to answer
particular pnrposes,•that it %vas- now attempted to
impugn their authority.
i\lr.:llor.*Nf.a replied, that, that as to ,the'insi-
nuation of the Noble Lord with respect to the
feelings with VC: ICh be received the communica- •
tion from the other side of tbe. water, he woinhl
only say, that his character, h•e trusted, was so
well known in that House, that he should treat
the imputation with the most perfect indifference.
Mr. TI Eli NEI inquired whether time letter of
the Duke of Wellington would be produced ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH -said, that if it was in time
possession of Goveritnient, he should certainly,.
prodtice it; but he could nut then say whether it
was in the office or not.

Mr. TIERNEY put another quesyion respecting
the., documents 'upon. which Lord Wellington's
opinion was formed, but. we could not distinctly
hear it. We understood, however, that its. object
was to know whether any of those papers which
Lord Castlereagh had read, formed a part of what
swassubmitted to the Duke of Wellington, and
upon. Which his Grade had pronounced in his let-
ter of -the tith,January ? To this Lord. Castle-
reagh replied, across the table, that be was not
prepared to-affirm that some. of those five docu-
ments were among those upon which Lord' Wel-
liugt ou had formed !,is opinion.
The motion for the production of Lord We-
llington's letter-was then carried, after a few ob-
servations from Sir James Mackintosh, and .111 r.
Horner,-the latter of whom adverted to the doubt
which he had expressed on a former night, as to
the authenticity of Buonaparte's letter dated from
Nangis.

- The further consideration of the Report on the
Local Miiiria Bill was-fixed for Monday.
The Windsor Forest Bill was read a first time,
and ordered to be read a second time on Monday.
Lord CASTLE.REAGIi brought up the. Militia
Bill, which was're.ad a first time, and `ordered to
be read a second time on-Monday.

The Scotch Commissary Courts Bill was com-
mitted. Report on Monday.
'l'he CI AXCF,LLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved,
that the East India Ships Bill should be read a
second tine; upon which Mr. Marryat Moved,
that the Counsel for. the Petitioners, who were
in waiting, should be called in and heard at the
Bar.—The Speaker observed, that the practice of
the House was to determine first,,upon the second
reading of the' Bill, and that being disposed of,
the digestion could then be raised of calling in the
Unnisel.---,The Bill was accordingly read a second
time, after a few observations front Sir C.Monck,
Mr. Alderman Atkins, and Mr. Wallace.

.UpOn Mr. MNIIIIYAT afterwards moving for the
Counsel to be beard, the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer stated his intention, of opposing thiat
motion, as unnecessLrily 06Ct1pyirig she time
and attention of Ilse I-louse, after the very ample
discussion wbich the question had undergone
in a fornter Session, %viten the opinion of
.Counsel was fully delivered before them • and
a)
every Member, he thought, was therefore )1e to
make up,his mind, upon the subject.—Mr.Marryat
urged the importance of the ineas:ure ; and after
a few words,fromMr.Sturges Liourne, the lluuse

For the Motion to hear Counsel l3
Agaitist-it

Majority

On our re-admission to the Gallery, we, found
the Hot! f-,•-discassiag the question of the day, when
the Bill :,honld•he eoannit teal. Eventually it was
fixed for that day

The order Orders of the Day were thin dis-
posed or, .:and Ilouse adjourned till Monday.,

The Wheat in Berkshire, and the other corn
c.ountie.s, this -Spring, is of unusually fire pro-
inisej----7for Many miles round Reading, not a
field ,is to he seen that doe-s not'sorpass 'the pros-
pect Of many preceding years—the plant is un-
commonly strong, and has assonieol 'so healthy an
appearance in cOnSetinence of the late seasonable
rains and favourable x-eather, that a prospect of a
more abundant harvest has not preSented itself
for many years past. The other grains Aso pro-
wise very fine crops.
On Sunday hist, the Dart .opposition 'coach
from LondOn fo'Woodford, was 'upset near Ep.
ping PoreSt, *heieby sev-eral.Of the' passengers
received several bruiSes;allathe'dtigehizian got bis
leg biolien.