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THE SUN, LONDON, SATUnDAY, JULY 17, 1841.

nor could there be any two opinions upon the point. The
designs were of the most preposterous and the wildest
of any that ever man conceived. But Sir Robert Grant
wisely said they were ' not bound to prove the feasi-
bility of the plans ; they had nothing .to do with
the wildness of their nature ; it was enough for them
that such designs had been cherished.—(Hear, hear.)
Application had been made to Don Manoel for an expla-
nation, or a refutation, of so much of the charges as was
connected with his name. But the Bombay Govern-
ment never charged him as being implicated in the
conspiracy ; all they knew was that a great
deal of money was spent in Goa by the Raja ;
to whom it was given, or for what, they did
not know. It was wholly unnecessary for him to say one
word in vindication of the character or conduct of Sir J.
Carnac; that had been ably, eloquently, and satisfactorily
done by the Hon. Deputy-Chairman.—(Hear, hear.)
Before he went out he was favourable to the Raja, and
he went out with power to settle, and save the Raja if
possible ; but when he arrived at his Govern-
ment he found that the evidence was so
strong that it was impossible to doubt as to
the guilt of the Raja. It was impossible for any
man to have used more mild or persuasive language than
he did towards the Raja in justification of the proceed-
ings which the Government felt themselves obliged to
adopt. The Raja, however, refused to agree to the first
article of the treaty because he said he was an honest
man and not guilty. He said I will not subscribe
to the first article, because when the original treaty
of 1819 was submitted for my signature, I refused to
give it three different times. He (Mr. Warden) said that
the Raja ought not to be believed, for in that he had
spoken a most distinct falsehood, for Captain Grant, in
his letter of the 27th of September, said that the treaty
was given in to the Raja on the 22d—that he had several
interviews, during which he fully explained its contents—
that the Raja was most anxious for its completion, and that
it was finally signed and sealed on the evening of Sept.
23. How, then, could the Raja justify his refusal
to sign the new treaty up xi so false a ground ?
He knew two instances in which on the death of the
reigning Raja the property was conferred upon his suc-
cessor, and—in the present case the property being that
of the State, was vested in the reigning Raja instead of
the ex-Raja.--He would give them the instance that occurred
after the red-action of Missoura,when three lacs of rupees fell
into the hands of the captors, they consisted chiefly of
family jewels and plate, and the Commissioners did not
think it judicious to deprive the succeeding Prince of
property which had belonged to the State. In the pre-
sent case, amongst other property of the ex-Raja of Sat-
tara, there was in money value of buildings, four lacs,
and 700,000 rupees. It appeared that an application
was made by tho ex-Raja to Lord Elphinstone, and he
recommended the Supreme Government to advance the
Raja two lacs of rupees, for the purpose of rebuilding
his palace. Now it appeared to him that that circum-
stance enhanced the ingratitude of the Raja's conduct.
Suppose these two lacs were included in the estimate of
4 lacs 700,000 rupees for buildings, did they mean to say
that he was entitled to that sum, which had been ad-
vanced him by the British Government ?—(Hear, hear.)
If any proposition such as had been put forward by his
Hon. Friend, Mr. Tucker, was entertained, it would be
their duty in the first instance to ascertain what actually
belonged to the Raja, and what had been advanced by
the Government. The Hon. Director then referred to
some observations of General Briggs, relative to the pub-
lication of a despatch of his which he stated was private
and secret ; but he (Mr. Warden) had looked over that
despatch, and he did not think there was anything secret
in it It was nothing more than an ordinary political
despatch. He would remind the Court also of an expres-
s-on of the Raja, when General Briggs was endeavouring
to restrain his rapacity—that he had lost all confidence
in the English, and the only friend he had among them
was Mr. Elphinstone. He had nothing further to add.
After a full review of all the proceedings in the case of
the Raja, his solemn and conscientious conviction was
that the Raja was guilty, and that he had scarcely paid
the penalty of his offence by the punishment that had
been inflicted on him.
Major-General ROBERTSON, a Director, said there
appeared to be considerable difference of opinion as to
the terms and extent of the treaty which had been con-
cluded with the Raja of Sattara. Now the schedule
which was annexed to the copy of the treaty set out the
different districts assigned to him, and at the end of it
was added, " together with the possessions of the Raja
of Akulkole, the Punt Suchew of the Prithee Nidhee,
and the jagheer of the Duillay-s, in the Pagunna of
Ihut." There was an amended schedule which was
added, which set out some additional jagheers, and then
it went to say,

" And the Raja having been told that his frontier
should extend from the liistna and Wurna on the south,
to the Neera and Beema on the north, and from the
western ghauts or Shyadree Hills on the west, to the
city of Punderpoor on the east, exclusive of jagheers,
there will be some additional territory made over to
him from the province of Beejapore, to be hereafter spe-
cified, but of which the revenue shall not be less than
one lac of rupees."
Now there were some detached villages about which
some doubt existed as to whether they belonged to the
Raja, and whether he exercised jurisdiction over thein.
Now, in his opinion, the Raja had sovereignty over these
villages, for General Briggs did so before they were
ceded to the Rajah, and so did General Lodwick. When
he (General Robertson) was coming away, in 1832, he
said that there was a spirit getting up of encroachment
upon the territory of the Raja ; and he wrote a despatch,
dated December 31, 1831, on the subject. Lord Clare,
however, did not coincide with him in his views. Shortly
afterwards a case arose of a claim against some of the
Raja's subjects in one of these villages north of the Neera
river, and they not answering it, an application was
made on the 3d August, 1832, by General Lodwick,
requesting his Highness to point out the property of his
subjects, that it might be taken possession of. A reference
was made to the Government on the subject, and the re-
sult was, the Government decided that all the villages north
of the Neera river were not under his sovereignty at all.
Sir J. LUSHINGTON begged to refer the Hon. Direc-
tor to the seventh article of the Treaty, with respect to
the limits of his Highness's possessions, great stress had
been laid upon the term "exclusion of jagheers," and it
was contended that that gave him unbounded authority
over them, but he (Sir J. Lushington) contended that
the meaning of the phrase was the very reverse, and that
it gave him no authority whatever over them.—(Hear,
hear.) In proof of that he would refer to Mr. Elphin-
stone's instructions to Captain Grant, dated Bth April,
1818, in which he said—

" The limits which I intend to propose to his Excel-
cellency the Most Noble the Governor-General for the
Raja's territory, are the river Neera on the north, the
Kishna and Wurna on the south, the Peishwa's frontier
on the east, and the ghauts on the west. The ghauts
themselves, and the forts which command them, will
probably be annexed to the Southern Concan, and the
eastern frontier will probably be improved and defined, by
arrangements with the Government of his Highness the
Nizam. I have guarded against disappointment on this
last head, by acquainting the Raja that his country would
only extend to Punderpoor. I have likewise apprized
the Raja that all jagheer lands will be excepted from the
proposed grant."
Now, then, it was clear that all the jagheer lands were
excluded. He did not pretend to give an opinion of his
own upon the matter, but there was a great deal of doubt
existing as to the meaning of the passage.—(Hear.)
Mr. LEWIS said the Hon. Gentleman had left off just
at th 3 very point which would give an explanation. It
was as follows :

" The extent to which this last declaration is
acted on will, however, depend on circumstances.
If the Raja's conduct or our own policy should make
his Excellency the Governor-General desirous of cir-
cumscribing his authority, the whole jagheer of the
Prithee Nidhee, resumed by Bajee Row, may be re-
stored to him to be held of the British Government,
and the jagheers, now held by Gokla, Rastia Jaun RoW
Naik Nimbalkur, and others within the limits in ques-
tion, may either be left as jagheers, or resumed by the
British Government without the Raja's being entitled to
claim any part of them ; this would leave the Raja no
more than six or seven lacs of revenue. If, as is more
probable, it should be the wish of the Most Noble the
Governor-General to increase the Raja's consequence,
he can be allowed to hold all between the most extended
of the limits above noticed that already belongs directly
to the Government, or may hereafter be resumed, and the
Jagheerdars who are allowed to remain may hold their
lands of him, with the exception of the Putwurdhuns,
whomit might be inconvenient to connect with the
raja, as the greater part of their lands lie on the south-
ern bank of the liishna, and whose inclinations we are,
anmoreover, bound to consult before we place them under
y government but our own."
General ROBERTSOV resumed—He contended that
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Highness also alludes, in his letter to your Ho-
nourable him
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Court, to the fact
having lent money tolliis Highness's
Jagheerdars, have
tlhat some of his enemies,
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vimposede in preventing their
alienation of the lands and
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themselves from the check
ib:hein induced,
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s
their debtors—to which his
ottuee:s isof the estates of
the eventual
successor—to lend themselves to the object
accom-
plishing his Highness's ruin. It s,
certain, that a strict inquiry as to how the question of
the jurisdiction of his Highness over cert •am Jagheer-
dars came to be agitated (and was so persev 'ri
maintained, even after the orders of your n
oe
ornAllye
Court), would show, that it originated with Ballajee
Punt Nathoo, a person who has occupied a prominent
position in all the measures of persecution against his
Highness ; and who, finding his Highness would be a
great obstacle to his designs on the jagheer of the
Punt Suchew—to whom he had lent a large sum of
money—first
desired to withdraw that property from
his Highness's jurisdiction ; and subsequently perceiv-
ing that his Highness was not likely to submit to such an
invasion of his rights, then entered on the course which
has since been pursued. Accordingly, this person was
at Sattara during the inquiry into the charges which were
investigated by a Commission, consisting of the late and
present Resident, and the present Secretary to your Go-
vernment in the Political Department ; and took an ac-
tive part in the proceedings of the Commission. He
has ever since, it may be added, remained at Sattara ;
and now he is the chief adviser, if not the Minister, of
his Highness's brother."—(Hear, hear.)
With regard to the succession to these jagheers, he would
refer the Court to his letter to Mr. Elphinstone, dated
13th August, 1827, when the Pecul was ill, and his ill-
ness had assumed an alarming appearance. He then put
certain questions on the part of the Raja, among which
were—

" That his Highness should be informed of the inten-
tions of the British Government as to the property of.
the Suchew within its limits in case of adoptioli,...,
" That he should be apprized 'whether iu tlio opinion

of Government any difference should be made in the con-
ditions that it may be thought advisable to offer, in ca,3e
of the adoption falling on a distant relation of the origi-
nal family, or a person no relation to such family, or on
a connexion of the present Suchew's own family."
. .

There had been about that time considerable discussion
with respect to these villages, and in the answer of the
Chief Secretary, he says—
" There seems no objection to the Raja's requesting
the Suchew to fix an allowance for his adopted son, in
case a son should hereafter be born to him.

" With regard to the Prithee Nidhee, I am directed to
observe, that he having no personal claims on the British
Government in the event of his death without any rela.
tion entitled to succeed him, it will rest with the 114‘ja
to make such arrangements regarding his jagheer as he
may think equitable."
Now, he conceived that the conduct of the Bombay
Government with regard to these jagheers was most
criminal.—(Hear, hear.) He would show the Court
what was the opinion of Mr.Elphinstone on the subject:—
" In regard to these disputes," Mr. Elphinstone remarks,
" that his (the Akulkote chief's) representation, through
his Vakeel, to the Commissioner in the Deccan, had
been received, and that a Report had also been received,
through the Resident at Sattara, regarding the dispute
which occurred near Nassick. That the whole of the
transactions have occasioned much regret to the Gover-
nor in Council ; that the Raja's ancestors have, from the
first, been servants of the Raja of Sattara, and that at
the late settlement, when it was left to the choice of
Futtia Sing Raja to become dependent on the British
Government, or to remain under the Raja of Sattara, he
preferred the service in which his ancestors had acquired
distinction. That it is therefore inconsistent with Malla-
jee Raja's own good sense, and with the loyalty of his fa-
mily, to enter into disputes with the Raja of Sattara ; that
he ought, on the contrary, to conciliate his Highness's
good-will in all respects, and to consider his prosperity
as depending on the favour of his sovereign. That in the
late affair he appears by no means to have remembered
the respect due to the Raja of Sattara, and that he had
every reason to be satisfied with the forbearance shown
towards him ; that the Governor in Council hopes that
the Akulkotekur will henceforward pay more attention
to conciliating his Highness's regard ; and that, while
he serves him with fidelity, he is sure of the Company's
protection ; but if he neglects the duty he owes his man
Prince, it will be impossible for the British Government
to interfere in his behalf. That the Raja of Sattara is dis-
posed to forget the past, and the Governor in Council
hopes to hear henceforward that all disagreements are
forgotten, and that the attachment of the Raja of Akul-
kote and favour of the Raja of Sattara are as conspi-
cuous as they have ever been in former days."
Again, in page 59, he found these remarkable words :
" • With regard to the grant of Jhut Jagheer to Ram
Row, the Governor in Council has no observations to
offer. Having already declared that the Baja wasittlly
entitled to retain the jagheer, and that if he was willing
to bestow it on a member of the former family, the Bri-
tish Government would not interfere with the mode in
which his bounty was conferred.' Thus clearly admitting
one of his Highness's most valuable privileges as a so-
vereign, that of appropriating, as he sees fit, the jag-
heers of families who have no legal heirs according to
Hindoo law, in which case our guarantee ceases as a
matter of course."

Could anything be more explicit or decisive than that ?
—(Hear, hear.) A little further on he found--

" Again, in- the case of the Punt Suchew ; the late
Punt before his death, wishing to adopt an heir, com-
plained to the Governor in Council regarding the terms
which the Raja wished to annex to his permission to do
so ; and, in reply, was apprised, With regard, however,
to the terms proposed to be annexed to the adoption, it
must be observed, that although you and your heirs are
to hold your jagheer on certain stipulated terms, yet,
that on a total failure of heirs, it must revert to his High-
ness; and that if his Highness allows it to be continued,
in such case, by adoption or otherwise, his Highness is
at liberty to attach what conditions he thinks expedient
to the permission. As to the terms, this Government
has no reason to think that the Raja's demand will be
unreasonable ; and will recommend your case to his con-
sideration. You, however, must recollect that you vo-
luntarily preferred the Raja's sovereignty; the decision
must, therefore, rest with his Highness, the British Go-
vernment not being able to interfere unless there be a
breach of engagement.' "
Now, if the Raja had any doubt about the treaty, they
should have had a friendly negotiation with him, instead
of taking possession of these jagheers. There could be
no doubt upon the question. Let them ask Mr. Elphin-
stone.—(Hear, hear.) He was there, and could tell them
the same.—(Hear, hear.) He maintained that the whole
of the present unfortunate case had originated in the
conduct of Sir Robert Grant, or rather the Bombay Go-
vernment, with regard to these jagheers.—(Hear, hear.)
They encroached upon his rights, and when he appealed
to the Government they gave him no reply.—(Hear,
hear.) The Bombay Government, instead of negotia-
ting with him, said they would refer it to the Court of
Directors.

Sir J. LIISHINGTON hoped the Hon. Director did not
mean to attribute this to the conduct of Sir R. Grant.
General ROBERTSON said he had not ascribed it to Sir
Robert Grant—he had laid the blame upon the shoulders
of no one individual, but upon the Bombay Government.
He believed Lord Clive was diposed to do justice to the
Raja; but as to Sir Robert Grant, he had displayed no-
thing but special pleading and pettifogging throughout.
—(Hear, and a laugh.) He was a very good man, but
was not fit to be a governor. In fact, he was no more
fit to be a governor, than he (General Robertson) was to
be an admiral.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) There was
another case of jagheers, which was situated within the
Raja's territories. These were called recent or minor
jagheers, because they were in the gift of the Paellas,
and were intendsd to revert to the Raja on the death of
the then occupiers. With regard to these jagheers, he
found the following passage in the letter of Mr. War-
den:—

" But, on this principle, the Resident argues further,
the Whole jagheers of Akulkote, which is without the
limits, would be excluded from the Raja's sovereignty ;
but the Jagheerdar of Akulkote is not under Sattara,
because he lives within or without the Sattara frontier,
but because, when his jagheer, or feudal estate, held on
condition of serving the. Lord paramount with a military
force, was bestowed on him by the British Government,
Mr. Elphinstone asked him, as his jaghcer was origi-
nally given by one of the great Rajas' of Sattara,
whether he would pay fealty and do service for it to
the Raja or to the British Government, and under the
guarantee of the latter against the resumption of the
jagheer, he chose the former ; and which homage and
service, with the prescribed number of horse, is all the
Raja can demand, the fiscal and judicial administration
of the country being conducted by the Jagheerdar.
Now,
_he would remind the Court that to all the ap-
plications of the Raja for justice, he had not, to the
present. day, got an answer.—(Hear, hear.) Let him
hear no more, therefore, of these jagheerdars,—(Hear„
hear.) It was stated that he had made repeated refe-
rences to General Lodwick, who; it would appear, had
no influence with his own Government. Finding that
he could' obtain no justice from the Bombay Govern-
ment, was he not justified in, sending home to. obtain
it ?—(Hear, hear.) He was astonished that General
Lodwick should have told the Raja that the sending
home of the Vakeels would prove his ruin.—(Hear,
hear.) That was quoted to the Raja's disadvantage, but
he really knew not on what grounds, that after Gene-
ral Lodwick's warning he persisted in sending the Va-
keels. Why, it was merely an application to that Ho-
nourable Court.—(Hear, hear.) And how had that ap-
plication been treated ? With neglect.—(Hear, hear.)
These men had come 15,000 miles by sea to sue for
justice, and if they had been thieves and robbers they
could not have been worse treated.—(Cheers.) The
money they had brought with them, one or two thou-
sand pounds, was expended—they were expecting a re-
mittance from their master, and lie (General Robertson)
had lent.them 1301. himself to keep them from actual
want. He really could not conceive why they should
treat the natives of India in that way.—(Loud cheers.)
That being the state of things, the Raja having
a thousand enemies, they all said, " Now is
our time ; we can easily accomplish his ruin."
(Hear, hear.) All these machinations and
designs arose as soon as it was seen that the Government
would not do him justice. Then it was that his enemies
pounced down upon him.—(Hear, hear.) There could be
no doubt about it. As to the charge of corrupting the
Sepoys, only let them read the evidence, and they
would see that it was a lie from beginning to end.—
(Hear.) He had been much accustomed, during a/pe-
riOd of 32 years to taking the evidence of the native
Indians, but he dfclared he had never seen a case so
bolstered up as that was.—(Hear, hear.) He would not
go through the whole of the case, but let them look at
the evidence of the Brahmin, a fellow that would say
anything, for these begging Brahmins were ready to go
anywhere, and to do anything ; and why should he not
go to the Soobadars. He was the very man for them ;
they knew devilish well that he was a worthless fellow,
but all they wanted was to get his evidence. ,Let the.
Court only look at the signs:—
" Ist. When there 18 a rising or fight at Belasore, I
will give you notice. 2d. When a disturbance takes
place in Bombay, I will give you warning. 3d. When
the Mogul army marches from Hyderabad towards Sat-
tarn, I will also give you notice. 4. When the Hin-
ddostan army arrives on this side the Nerbudda, I will
also give you notice. Remember these four things. If
any other disturbances take place in other parts of the
country, take no notice of them ; lam only concerned in
those I have mentioned to you. I have been making
arrangements for the above business for the last sii
months."

See how cautious he was. Ile had been making ar-
rangements for six months. Why the thing was ridi-
culous. He knew the Raja well ; and he was no fool.
As reference had been made to character, he would, by
and by, read to thug Sir John Malcolm's letter, to show
' them what he thought of the Raja. Then it was said
that the Princes of India were concerned in the pro-
posed insurrection. Why, reference had been made to
them, and the devil a one of them knew anything about
it.--(Hear, and laughter.)
" No further intelligence of consequence was received
until yesterday, when, in a letter dated the 10th instant,
the Resident at Sattara communicated to us some further
important infbrination, obtained through the two native
officers who first denounced the plot, and which, we
deeply lament to state scarcely leaves a doubt that his
Highness the Raja of Sattara has proved faithless to his
engagements with the British Government, and that he
is, at this moment, in league with other Powers to sub-
vert our authority in this country."
otihveriet NlNv7ausldsaaprpeeealyr
afrdomoubtthios; thhiastglbeliflotr,e the evi-
dence was gone into, General Lodwick was of opinion.
t.—(Hear, and laughter.) and that,
pthoaiNtn
by G—, before they they had .investigated a. single-
that Sir Robert Grant Inoslttal'axsiocusleatro: fihtoildvehvietrn,
guil
VV:e—can not for one moment suppose that his High-
ness the MO of Sattara would have embarkedin a de-
04# like that indicated in his conversation with
.the
Ow officers, unless he felt quite confident of being

„ •
powerfully supported by the other Native Governmenti.
Your Honourable Committee are aware that the Govern-
ment of Sattara is one of our own creation, and that
the present Raja was raised by us from a prison' to a
throne. His revenues do not exCeilid fourteed'lmCd of
rupees per annum, and his militaiNtesources
temptible, and totally inadequate foil fie enterprise he
has undertaken. We must, therefore, belieie that 14 AS,
sociated with other Powers anxiously desiring to shake
off. our rule ; and we infer, that he looks to his High=
ness the Nizam, Scindia, and ether native chiefs, to de-
dare against us) wheat their plans had been brought to
maturity.”
We must believe that he is associated *ith other
rovers ! Must
,believe it ! It teuld appear that no
liberty of belief was left them. When the Raja was called
upon to give up those men, he did to at once :
" On entering, Colonel Lodwiek observed that his
Highness appeared much agitated ; but, on explaining the
nature of his visit, and requiring certain persons to be
given up, his Highness denied all knowledge of any at-
tempt upon the fidelity of British troops, and expressed
his firm belief that the result would establish the inno-
cence of those accused.

" On the Resident's requiring that immediate or-
ders should be given for their apprehension, his Highness
assured him that, within the space of two hours, they
should be made over to him."

The Hon. Proprietor who had last addressed the
Court had said that that was a bad feature in the Raja'e
case. He quite disagreed with him, and he could not
conceive anything that afforded a stronger proof of the
Raja's innocence.—(Hear, hear.) The Bombay Go-
vernment had desired that the parties should have ne
communication with the Raja, and the only ceminnnica-
tion they had was in public.
" The readiness with which the Baja complied with
our demand to surrender the accused parties appeared
to us remarkable, and involved the case in greater un-
certainty ; more particularly as our Resident had re.•
ceived private letters from the Resident at Hyderabad
and the Lieutenant-Governor of Ara., stating their total
disbelief of the concurrence of the Nizain,,on the one
hand, and of Holket and Scindia, on the other, in any
plot against our tovernment."
With regard to the Commission it appeared to be a
secret one, but why was the Raja exOuded from
it ? They obtained the evidence -froffi the Raja,
and although they affected great anxiety about his dig-
nity, they did not ask him whether he was guilty or
not. After the examination had been completed, two of
the Members waited upon him with a letter from the
Governor requesting him to attend the Commission—he
did so. And here he would askovas it not usual to write
out the minutes of the proceedings in the language of the
natives? The evidence in this case was written in Eng-
lish. The Raja, however, attends, and they read over
to him the evidence of the Soobadars, which they said
was all that concerned him. Now, he denied that that
was all the evidence that concernedhim. He contended
that copies of all the proceedings should have been given
to him that he might inquire into them, and then come
forward with his answer, his defence, and his evidence
to rebut them. The whole case,.in his opinion, should
have been . conducted by the Resident. The British
Government, however, decided upon the evidence
on one side, on evidence upon which he would
not hang a dog.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh.)
Sir Robert Grant appeared throughout to act rather as
an advocate than a judge. He rejected everything
that made for the Baja, and everything against him he
received as gospel. Now with regard to the evidence of
Ballajee Punt Nathoo ; that man gav6 evidence against
the Raja, but there was not one word about the conspi-
racy. in it. It was all, however, a godsend to the Com-
missioners, as it might tell against the Raja, and yet
when the Raja came it was carefully kept from him.
That man appeared to be acting as the friend of the
Raja, and next day he was found coining with a message
from the Raja to the Commissioners. He. (General Ro-
bertson) recollected very well obtaining a village worth
3,000 rupees a year, at the solicitation of the Raja, for
the very person who was styled the tried friend of the
British Government. The Hon. Gentleman who had
last addressed the Court had said that the authorities in
India were blind to all the proceedings that had been
going forward. But how could they discover that which
had no existence ?—(Hear, hear.) He maintained that
it was all false.—(Cheers.)
An HON. PROPRIETOR—What is Major Anderson's
opinion ?

- General ROBERTSON knew Major Anderson very well,
but he did not value his opinion at all.—(Hear, and a
laugh.) The fact was, there was a manufactory of lies
at Sattara, and one man was paid 50 or 100 rupees
every year, and thought it necessary that he should earn
the money, by manufacturing a new set of lies every
year. The Raja was also carged with seducing his
brother's wife. Now, the fact was, that the brother was
such a beast, that his wife would not stay with him.
He doubted if the Raja had ever heard anything about
the Goa affair, except, perhaps, these designing
people might have endeavoured to enlist him in
their cause. Then the petition of Sujabee came to the
Government that was another godsend for them.
That was not sent down, he believed, until after Colonel
Lodwick had been removed. Colonel Ovans' despatch
proved the endeavours of these people to work on the
Government. Govind Row Dewan was conveyed to
Ahmednugger from Poona.
" The absolute necessity of putting an end to the
erroneous expectations of his release, in order to
obtain the important information which Geerja-
bee and the parties named by her may be able to
communicate, fully warrants his being placed under
greater personal restraint and stricter guard ; and under
the injunction, that every attention be paid to his comfort
and convenience compatible with those objects, he will
be subjected by the removal to no hardship, of which a
person, convicted as he has been, can with reason cum-
plain."

- The following directions were issued for his treatment
at Ahmednugger t—
" The usual warrant should be addressed to the
Judge of Ahmednugger. That officer should be in-
structed to place the prisoner in strict confinement, and
to prevent his holding any communication with any per-
son besides his personal attendants, or those in whom the
Judge has confidence. Every attention, compatible with
the above olkject, should be paid to the prisoner's comfort
and convenience./
" The Judge should be further informed, that it is
not unlikely the friends of Govind Row at States, Mid
Poona will endeavour to communicate withhim by letters.
and that he should quietly adopt measures to intercept
any communieations of this kind and forward them to
Government."

lie was sent, but there could be no. doubt that in his.
confinement he had communication with his friends,
There could be no doubt but that the I#l4lthinin, when
placed in the strictest confined-lent, Could hold communi-
cations with hie Mend. They might be conveyed to
him in his rice, or in a hundred different ways ; it was
impossible to prevent it. He heard how things were
going at Sattara, and got his lesson from thence, It
would have been much better to have brought him to
Sattara, and entrusted him to the care of the Resident.
He (General Robertson) believed that Govind Row
Dewan had been interrogated during his confinement.,
and, if e how could they attach any weight, to his evi.
deuce Shortly afterwards another native came forward
to give evidence against the I4a. They considered this
as great and important evidence, well calcutated to es-
tablish the Raja guilt Now that fellow was a scoun •
drel. lie had been at the head of a gang to rob the trea-
sury. He was a fellow that would do anything—one who
would manufacture false papers to-day and rob tc.ihorrow.
This fellow said he had papers hi hiS possession impli-
cating, After some negiitiation he said he had pawned
the papers for 900 rupees, just as if anybody would
believe that any person could be found who would give
hint 900 rupees for a tuft of papers.—(Hear, hear, and
a laugh.) After a time, however, he gave them tip, chit
got a good price for them, It was a common practice
in India to manufacture papers.--(Hear, hear, hear.)
When he was ht Candeish there had been a rising
at Benlow. It had been put down, but at that
time proclamations were scattered all over the
country, bearing the Raja of Sahara's tratOre, the.
m m y
had been every one of theist , INTO lOhe lAVer
suspected that the Raja of Samara had anything to do
with it. The men, bad litiekit IP:night in and tried and
condemned. While he was in Candeish a circumstance
had occurred which proved the extent to which the Mat
nutheture of forged papers was carried in India. He had
conducted an investigation. into 'Rhein 1.700 osess, o
persons who were in the annual receipt a lienSiOM blx
charitable allowances. A large 611111 had been paid on
account of arrears of their pensions for four years, 'and
in the fifth year one of the persons who came up to %re-
ceive his pension as usual was -accompanipa ikylotikej:
man, who said the pension was properly Mr. • Thit led
to an investigation and into an 4.0114'40*
on which this claim. to it Ifte'ersiVA \VA
..11,0eu,,
and it turned. out tlifs.t Ore Whn% was a for-
gery from beginnim tO end. The discovery
of these forged certificates led to an investigation iota
the whole of the 1,700 cases. He had coTtufed it
self during his leisure time, he had ,AlliiiWCA:lin`o b'VeYt
case, and of the 1,700 caseswel'e
itiv:lftititt tctor tly t fa
seals and false documents,—(l-lear, hVar.) T 5w,V4,3 %,L;4,1 a
regular manufactory
to false seals they could tet *tent made any where. Any
goldsmith inohs la
tit ddaiii*.tl; in India, and as
laugh.) The o.tidence of the truth of those papel‘anibs
attested—by Wh W om? hy, giffy.—(Hear, hear, and a
by a gang Of febels;
The
that
tile hostility the lArahniiiiS t'la`i ft
religious hostility. Thqr WO* IkT,',` inveterate that feel-
great, part of thpm. httd t'ca6q
ing had leeent etlintry in the darker ages, when
ttYClittrikt, Me another on account of their religious dif-
ferences. There was a great deal of that feetibg sub-
sisting at the present moment in diet. the Betthinthi
were decidedly offended with. the Ilajn and he Would
appeal to all those who had been in India. if there Were
any men in existence who would go t'o,oet.ler
in support of their refigrroh than thb Brahinins.—
(Hear, hear,). 4he would lie, cheat, and commit
every sort of outrage, if they thought they could in any
manner forward the objects of their religion. To show
the hostility which the Brahmins bore to the Raja, he
would read part of a letter which, when Resident at
Sattara, he had received from Lord Clare, shortly after
his Lordship had assumed the government. [The
Gallant Gentleman here read portions of an official
despatch received by him from Lord Clare, dated Oct.
,14, 1831, in which his Lordship stated that between.
.2;000 and'3,ooo Brahmins had waited upon him in a
state ofgreatexcitement, to presont a petition complain-
ing of the conduct of the Raja of Sattara. His Lord-
ship. stated that he had told the Brahmins he could not
interfere, as the Rajah was an independent Prince, but
he directed the Resident to speak to the Raja on the sub-
ject, and to assure that Prince that he (Lord Clare) was
at all times glad to uphold the Raja's dignity.] He
(General Robertson) would bear testimony to the sincere
desire of Lord . Clare always to uphold the Raja's dig-
nity. Notwithstanding the disputes that might have oc-
curred between them on the subject of the jagheers.
his Highness was always treated with the greatest re-
spect, and on one occasion, when he came to visit. Lord
Clare at Poona, 7,000 troops wep tuxncd out to re-

ceive him.—(Hear, hear.) Lord Clare had desired him
to assure the Raja that the Government had-.no • wish
to interfere in the internal: management of his territory:
The petition which was inclosed in LOrd Clare's letter
complained that the Raja had deposed the Brahmins
from Cettain ofgcesl Etila had. ronfinell. thorn ill tho Car
enOns) tilhtis33. SO tiding he was destroying their re-
ligttin that he had giten to the Careoons a Commis-
sioner to perform the popular rites of the Brahmin re-
ligion, which had nut beeh givenchy ally of his Odes:
tors, and whiCh Wits ii'dt_ ahyWhere ; and that
he hid eidefed such of the Brahmins as refused to sub-
to pay a tax ; that no one had paid it willingly,
but that for two years it had been forced from the peo-
ple ; that his Highness had been applied to, and had re-
fused redress. Now, very probably the Court might
think these charges all true. They were all false. The
petition then complained that a Sepoy had taken off his
shoe and struck a Brahmin, and that the Brahmin was
wounded. This might very probably happen in a
scuffle. It then proceeded to set forth that the Brahmins
had been committed to prison, where nothing was liven
them but the fare usually given to criminals, which they
had refused to eat. He (General Robertson) thought it
extremely probable that they had refused to eat any
food—it was a very common trick of the Brahmins,
when they could not carry a point, to refuse to eat, and
in that way they generally accomplished their object,
because native Princes were generally afraid .of
the eonsequehees ill' one of these fellows should die
of starvation. This, thereforel was no new dispute lit:
tween the Raja and tir I<#rslNrtiiilSt lb (dtheftll
bertsoh..) thifllik the time he was resident at Sat-
thlia, been frequently appealed to by the Brahmins, but
he had always declined to interfere, because even if he
had been able to comprehend the nature of such a dis-
pute, he thought it better to give the parties tui opporttiz
pity of soothing their pas'iltitilitefeelings by giving them
vents t.,.1 the peace of the country was not likely to be
disturbed by the dispute. He (General Robertson) re-
plied to the letter of Lord Clare, that it was not the
first time that those sort of attempts had been made bx
the Brahmins to procure the ititeffertilde of the Gover-
nor, and that he had no doubt but that it had been done."
for the purpose merely of endeavouring to ascertain his
Lordship's opinion of this dispute—that eight days be-
fore the Raja had liberated, of his own accord, the Brah-
min who had been placed in confinement—that he had
not, as had been stilted, been offered only the fbod
usually given to criminals, but that the Brahmin had re-
fused all food.—(Hear, hear.) He had also a copy of
another letter in his possession, which he had
written to Lord Clare, in which he informed
his Lordship that the Raja had expressed himself
as willing to keep aloof from those disputes. He had
also. a rough draft of a minute of Sir J. Malcolm's,
written sometime about the year 1829 or 1830, recom-
mending that no interference should take place in their
disputes with the Brahmins. The Brahmins had followed
Sir J. Malcolm in crowds during his first tour wherever
he went for the 'purpose of making complaints of the
Raja ; but Sir John Malcolm had found it necessary
never to pay any attention to their complaints. The
Brahmins had been unceasing in their endeavours. to
injure the Raja. They had even gone so far as to de-
clare that he was no Hindoo. The Bramins finding they
could not succeed with the Government were determined
to succeed somewhere. It was they who had concocted
this business at Goa. Any person who read the papers
must be convinced of it. It was they who had laid their
heads together to plot the Raja's ruin. Muhdeo Row
Sickey had lived at Sattara. He went from Sattara to Goa;
he had transactions at Goa. But what could they make out
of the evidence of these people? What was there to im-
plicate the Raja?: They had seized all the Raja's papers,
and not anywhere could they find any communication
from the Raja to the Governor of Goa, or any letter from
the Governor of Goa to him. Not one little fragment of
anything like evidence of the connection between the
Raja and Goa could they produce. He knew that the
Raja kept a daily journal of everything that occurred ;
and frequently in his conferences with the Raja, the
Raja had referred to that journal, to show what he might
have said on a former occasion. The Bombay Govern-
ment said these letters were written by the Raja's accom-
plices. Now, the Baja was not the sort of man to dele-
gate his authority in such a way ; and could it be be-
lieved that he would depute such a trust to Brahmins—
to those who were known to be his enemies?— (Hear,
hear.) The Bombay Government had treated the Raja
harshly, and were desirous of justifying themselves. The
following extract from the minutes of the sth May, show
that they felt that such was their position:—
" Under these circumstances, however, it cannot be
denied that the character of the -Bombay Government is
almost as deeply committed on the event of the present
discussions, as that of the ruler of Sattara. We owe it
to ourselves to show that we have not acted lightly, or
harshly, or credulously ; that, from first to last, we have
had no object but the discovery of truth, and have taken
no measures but such as that object justified ; that there
were good and rational grounds for the several inquiries
instituted, and that those inquiries have uniformly been
prosecuted with judgment, with prudence, with all prac-
ticable dispatch, and with the utmost consideration for
the feelings and interests of individuals, which could be
made to consist with a supreme regard to the ends of
justice."

The fact is, they were quite as much on their trial as the
Raja was. Now one objection struck him in limine to all
their proceedings. The accused party had never had
an opportunity of. answering the charges. He had never
seen the evidence.—(Hear, hear.) Reference had been
made to the practice of Courts of Justice in this country,
Ile was not going to contend those practices ought to be
followed out to the very letter in India, but the principles
of justice were the same all over the world.—(Cheers.)
No man could be convicted of charges unless he had
heard what those charges were, and the evidence by
which they were supported,. Even in declaring war
against an independent Soveregn, the declaration always
set forth the grounds on which the war was undertaken ;
and if the Raja were dependent upon us, that was the
more reason why we should treat him with justice.—
(Hear, hear,) But then it was said that the Swamee of
Stielteshwurhad vieited the. Baja, and that at his insti-
gation the Raja had been led to aiming at fretting a eon'
nection with the Portuguese at Goa. Now the fact was,
the Swamee and the Raja were enemies ; they were at
daggers drawn. It was true the Swamee had visited
Sattara ; the Swamee was on his way to Nassuck ;
what was more natural than that he should take
Sattara hi his road?—(Hear, hear.) nut thee It was
said that the Raja had worshipped the Swamee—why,
the Swamee was by some thought to be a god. He was a
Pope, among the Brahmins, at least ; and what could be
more natural, than that, going through Sattara, he should
pad; a visit to the Raja i and that the, Raja, on the terms
lii~ wits with I Brahm- should
ns, pay attention to the Swamee,
in order tnconciliate his influence ? It should be re-
collected that almost all the witnesses against the Raja
were Brahmins ; that almost all those with whom he was
accused of conspiring were Brahmins. Now let them re-
member that the Raja hated the Brahmins ; that he was
training yontlis itt the schools which he had established
ttt, Sattara fur the purpose of superseding the Brahmins in
the Government. Did they suppose that he would put
his life and sovereignty in their power ?—(Hear.) No
doubt the DeWatt had one consolation in giving evidence
itgithist his Master; and MO Was; that he was supporting
hit taste. The-whole wag a manuracicify of lies; These
people might have written a letter to the Viceroy Via'
Goa, and the Viceroy might have returned an answer ;
and these papers might have remained in the Lufta.
The Portuguese Out-et-noes answer tti4 hate re,mained
tia-AaIEO, 1)Id they suppose that it the Raba
had been really guilty, he would have suf-
fered them to remain there? .The letter found
there was in the handwriting of Waeed ; and he stated
that the letters had been gent to Goa.; and returned by
the itaja.'g direttions; Now; if the Raja hid made that
enenniffnicatibii lit/ Would have had dim stilt to Statftral
hut instead of that he showed no anxiety at all about
them, although his life and sovereignty depended upon
those letters. Was that likely ? Did they believe that
these letters Were Writiefi4 , the atitlibrity ief the Raja ?
One of the letters froth itad ifttataithiefil,; to
Vag. the.Vie&oy's Sitattire; which Sir Robert Griiiit-
stntd tai he, a renittrit' l€
,Btft, supppse they were
gefillifie—if,they were intended the Rapt I Sattaric—
why were they not sent ? Why .Were lie It the
Lufta until Nana Witeettikai deadi if ter the de. of of
whose dottfaltid sail OHIO,
Wept: in the mystical letter written by this
.blackguard on his death-bed, Sir Robert Grant finds a
sAition fill itiedifffciitltibli ws 0.14 the expres-
, ••
SlOili Use of in it icier Id e MAP
were to come from Goa: Ile (General licibert#on) said
that it related-tb tile Fla i the Italia Of sattara: Num-
lile4 said II *bre Jive- letters; dated the §tli of July.
N'oVfr, it shiinld lie ternembbred that the persdits in Whose
thge itt ffe,tri
! (AlstMS ine whOle time, tnac they PM
not not one cowrie to rub against another ; that they
were actually going about in gangs to rob the Treasury.
.Now, with these. jettpH ih tlicic nti4Agsol6lll; iitiblving
lite. 'Oldie :Raja; Was it to • tie sup
VaSed that they ientild ,hate -remained jti this state
15'f 11'3V tlottitl It he
Iniiio;ink‘. they would not have gone to
the Raja, and have procured an ample sufficiency from
his fears ? These letteq, were nOtigiVeh pntil thei,got
400 rupees.foir thelilt ,iffight, 17114 d
.18 Rolf;
l!it hot pr'ch that the Raja knew Ot This
arkid not Vote 114,t they Were the Raja's agents; and
kleltl4B IRS it that ttfst ti tai biri
tl3 lfb Ttajit they should have put themselves at the head
of a gang to plunder the country. He could 'not but
think these letters forgeries, because Don Manoel had
• said that he had not had *ti ehi:re;3tfdticlettee Avkth
the litt a; and he did' not think a .noiale-
OMali lie Cott Mattoel could assert a falsehood.
il lle LiggH4§ ihiti dld it anyl,en the
Other they barb tile assertions
.0e the fonlide
.tite • Ontral: , IPntetios old he line*
And MU lib HO the 4(ho;Vbeilliez
nature, and he was the evidence that explained these
enigmatical letters, saying that such a word meant
Elwin, and stTch another, • the man win, was t9gCC9III-
- to ff-nglend;, Nori lettherndloolt at the treaty
which leas alleged to have been enießt: !Pfq tkt.iVeco the
Raja and the Portuguese Government, and which ‘c.l.t tf
document of the highest importance. He would read it:—
" At't 1, lets Mil that the English had swal-
lowed tip the Rila's dominions, and tle, to aid in re-
capturing them, the king of Portugal Is to furnish
30,000 troops, or Well number as May be considered tie.
.cessary, with gunpowder and shot: The Raja to defray
their monthly.pay, from the date or their departure until
the termination of the project, together with the ex-
pense of ships, sailors, and gunpowder and shot.
" Art. 2. After the territories, forts, districts, posts,
and tributes held under :the Administration of Muhdhow
Row Narrain gra recovered, the Raja ;agrees to retain
12,000 Portuguese troops, and to assign territory of the
annual value of one crore of rupees for their support,
and the honorary treatment of the Pa.dshah.
" Art. 3. Prisoners captured during the war to be dealt
with as both parties may consent.
Native sbirescaptured to belong to theTtaja;
European stores to be diiided betwes n both parties.
" Art, 5, Qf Whatever new eotmsty may po taken, ex,
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