The Sun.
London, England, 1840-07-31 00:00:00

NEW SOUTH WALES.

The Bishop of EXETER said he had moved for
some papers relative to New South Wales, and they
had all been presented save one. He wished to know
why that one had not been presented ?
The Mlrquis of LANSDOWNE could not tell
why it had not been presented, but would inquire,
Petitions were presented by the Bishop of EXETER
against the Ecclesiastical Duties and Revenues Bill.

The Bishop of LONDON presented petitions
from the clergy of Colchester, and from the rural
deanery of Sydenham against the rating of
Stock in Trade Bill. He regretted that a Bill
which so seriously affected the interests of the clergy, and
which was very like a fraud upon them, should have
been introduced at so late a period of the Session.
Lord PORT:NIA N said the statements of the Right
Rev. Prelate, if uncontradic'ed, would naturally excite
the indignation of their Lordships against the Bill, but
it affected the interests of all the classes of the commu-
nity as well as in the Church. When the time for dis-
cussing the provisions of the Bid arrived, he would
undertake to show their Lordships that it by no means
deserved the character of fraud and injustice which
the Right Reverend Prelate had ascribed to it.
The Bishop of LONDON denied that he had im-
puted any intention of fraud to those who introduced
the Bill. Al that the clergy required was that a tem-
porary measure only should be passed this year, so as
to give time for a full consideration.
Lord WHARNCLIFFE said that the clergy had
no reason to complain in this matter. Their property
was always liable to be rated ; and the present mea-
sure was brought in solely to remove the difficulties
which were found in giving effect to the law.
After a few words from Lord AsHanaroN, and
from Lord PORTMAN in explanation, the conversation
dropped.

.THE BRITISH LEGION (SPANISH
AUXILIARIES).
In answer to a question from the Marquis of LON•
DONDERRY,

Lord MELBOURNE said that all the papers con-
nected with the arrangement which hadbeen made for the
payment of the claims of the British Auxiliary Legion
(Spanish) would be laid on the table of the House, and
they would contain all the information which could be
desired on the subject.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY was not at all
satisfied with the answer, but considered it one of those
evasions of which there had been too many in the course
of this business. He now begged to ask the Noble
Viscount if any authentic information respecting the in'
surrection at Barcelona had been received ; and further,
whether it was true, as publicly stated, that the Order
of the Bath had been conferred upon Espartero ? If
so, he was at a loss to understand whether the honour
was conferred for that General's treachery in inducing
Maroto to desert from his King, or for his more recent
treachery to his Queen.
Lord MELBOURNE said that no precise informs."
tion had been received respecting the occurrences re-
ported to have taken place at Barcelona. To the se'
child question he could only answer that her Majesty
had been advised to confer the honour alluded to opt*
the Duke of Vittoria.

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY presented s
petition from the diocese of Durham against the Eccle'
siastical Duties and Revenues Bill. He strenuousll
supported the petition, and said that the revenues of
the Archdeaconry of Durham were not sufficient for
the spiritual wants of the diocese. He appealed to
the Rev. Prelate (the Bishop of Durham), to bear him
out as to the extent of spiritual destitution in that die•
cese. 13,0001. had already been abstracted from the
revenues, and it would be most unjust to take any more
from them.

The Bishop of DURHAM confirmed the statement
of the Noble Marquis, and made some further observe-
tions in support of the petition, which were not beard
in the ~allery.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY presented Pe'
titions from Maidstone and the diocese of Canterbury'
against the Ecclesiastical Duties and Revenues Bill;
also a petition from Southwark against the Metrobolis
Improvement Bill.
Viscount STRANGFORD said a report had he_e°
afloat for some days in the public Journals of ow
country and France, that a formal diplomatic arradei
ment had been concluded between this country a°
certain great Continental Powers, for the purpose t/ci
settling the question at issue between Turkey a°
Egypt, and that to that arrangement France was not 11
consenting or a signing party. He did not wish to ask
anything of the nature or provisions of the arrange"
ment. All he wished to learn from the Noble Viscount'
was the simple fact of its existence or noo.existenee;
The report had created considerable uneasiness, and
had had an effect upon the state of the public funds.
Viscount MELBOURNE said that it was certainly
true that negotiations had been carried on between
Great Britain, Austria, Russia, Prussia, and the Sublime
Porte, to pacify matters in the Levant. These neget',
tions had been carried on and were considerably advanced'
but matters of that kind could not be considered as
settled, until ratified. It was quite certain, however,
that these negotiations had made considerable progress.
Lord BROUGHAM asked whether it was trll era
not as reported, that no communication whatever la.
been made to France, or its Representative, on 017
subject of these negotiations, until after the period 0`
the completion of that treaty.
Lord MELBOURNE said it certainly was their
wish to concur with France on this subject, but it 0.1
also certainly true that France was not a party to thi'
arrangement.
Lord BROUGHAM said, all he could then do' tif
stronglytporeesxsptreeosssatrsoealy, his d
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ECCLESIASTICAL DUTIES AND RE-
VENUES BILL.
The Bishop of EXETER presented a Petit):
from the Dean and Chapter of Exeter, 1)10'h--
that the " Prebendaries of the Church might -8
preserved, and that in addition to the four residential°.
proposed by the Bill, two more should be set apart f°'t
the Archdeacons. Also a petition from Wales agal°„9c
the Bill, and a petition from 654 clergymen of differe,ws
dioceses, praying that if the revenues of the canonnbes
were applied to other purposes, the offices might
preserved, with the framework of our cathedral bodie
in their integrity.
On the Order of the Day for going into Committee
on the Ecclesiastical Duties and Revenues Bill /3'l°'
read,
The Bishop of EXETER said before the questier
was put he would trespass for a few Onutes on the:f
Lordships' indulgence. He did not present himself
the other night because of the late hour to which thd
discussion bad extended, and because he wished to affbr
the opportunity to others who were much better,i,ea;
titled to their Lordships' attention than himself. 11
could not, however, consistently with his sense of duty's
suffer this occasion to pass without stating the rens°.%
which rendered it imperative on him to rests
in every shape the Bill on their Lordships' table'
After the decision of the last night, he should consider
it vexatious to trouble their Lordships with a divisioa,
but he should certainly feel it his duty to state the rte:
sons why he could not agree with it. It was, he thougf"
extremely hard that upon a Bill which so deeplY:of
fected the interests of a large body of the clergy' t""_'
had never had an opportunity afforded them of exPrhesTr
ing their opinions upon it till it was actually uhircrprt;tije
Lordships' table. Since then, however, they
plainly expressed their opinions lapon it ; indeed, he
believed no petitions had been presented in
the Bill unless a few lately from the Corporation 01
Minor Canons, lie understood that in the other 11°1
there were petitions from not less than 3,000 or 4,000 0
the clergy, and he knew not why duplicates of these
petitions had not been forwarded to their LordshlP9f
House. There ;Ira% one petition from the clergy
Lincoln, which exhibited pretty strongly the hostility, of
might so term it, with which the cicrgy general
viewed the measure. Indeed the great body of tibiae
clergy of the Established Church were decidedly
favour of
opposed to it. During the administration of Earl GreY;
a plan of Cathedral reform, Similar to the present, was
proposed, and the Bishops were convened to prononcebt
their opinion upon it. It was advocated by the
Rev. Prelate who supported the present measure of
form, and he would remind their Lordships that ol
two others agreed with the Right Rev. Prelate in his
advocacy of the measure, and it was ultimately shad,
Boned. That would, he believed, afford their Lorbs
ships a sufficient indication of the sentiments of
Bishops upon the present plan ; and with these opici°,°o:
recorded at the instance of the Primate and the ure,
b
vernment, staring them is the face, a plan in all re
spects essentially the same was now attempted to
r.,
forced upon the •clergy and the country. He was Vad
prised now to find the Most Rev. Primate, wh° ,at
agreed with the majority of the Bishops upon i" o
occasion, putting his hand to and recommending of
plan so diametrically opposed to the resolutions
as
the Bishops. He did not think that that yid,
the way in which the Bishops should be tres,at
te_
When he heard on all sides the authority of the I‘P
Rev. Primate quoted in favour of the p i
resent measure,
he certainly felt it his duty to make that statement,. b
order to show that his judgment was not that wVill
should be most confidently relied upon. If the the
was in its character calculated to deteriorate from
utility of the Church, he thought that must be co.ncb
dered as a great set-off against any advantages vvr"af
might be derived from supplying the spiritual wanots_s,
the country. The great object and principle of the
sin
cure was to do away with what were termed the r.,
cure offices of the Church, providing for the due that
formance of Divine service ; now, he maintained. 11,
these were not sinecures in the ordinary sense erlfor'ra,
word. These clergymen had certain duties tc,),,,fee orgu-'
and they could not be said to be sine curt.

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