The Sun.
London, England, 1812-03-04 00:00:00

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diction to 'what. thiy hld heard front the other
side, ou the Bullion Question. He contended that
the cotedua of this country had been conciliatory
towards America, and that the Berlin and Milan
Decrees were not repealed by • the Procleina-
lion of the Duke of Cadore. The Orden- in
Council, it therefore followed, they were not of
right
.called upon to repeal. The effects of their
repeal, under existing circumstances, thoug h be-
neficial to America and- France, would be
most injurious to England, and all the former
system of perjury would again be revived in our
Courts of Admiralty. The trade of this country had
fiourished.under the Orders in Council till last year,
when it was crushed by the adoption of a measure
on the part of the enemy, which,. •he believed, no
nation had ever before made use of against another.
The effect of this unprincipled conduct was now re- •
coiling on themselves. In Ordinary cases, it was
but little comfort for one nation in distr2ss. to know
that another was suffering in the same manner, but
in the present instance it was satisfactory to know,
that the measures adopted by the enemy to do us.
mischief, were now acting against himself. ,The -
revenue of France had been greatly injured by these
measures, as_ he could prove from official docu-
ments. In 1807, -the French Customs amounted
to about 2,400,0001. sterling. In the year 1808,
after the Orders in Council had been issued, it sunk
740,0001. and ie 1809, 460,0001. more. In 1810
they hid got ue again, it was true, to 2,000,0001.
but this increase arose from the proceeds of the ves-
sels eeized in the Prit.sian p r ts. Tie Custoths
only rose in consequence of the robberies committed
there on iedi• iduals. The discounts of the French
Bank were in 1810, 30,000,0001. In 181 t , e.ey
were reduced to 16,000,000!. rhe profits in le to
were 10,0001. in 1811, 4,5001. It would taus be
seen that -the profits of the French Beuk m ere re
:duced to so small a sto-4 that there was hardly-
.a Beek in England condueted. by individuals
on their own account which did nut divide
as much. The view to he taken of the et-
feces of our hostilities on the manufaelwes of
France was equally unfavourable to the eriemy.----
Th: Right Hon. Gentleman then woceeded to de-
fend the practice of granting licenses ; add con-
cluded by 'expressing it to be his convi .ion, that to
repeal the Orders in Council ..ould be the. most
mischievous thing that could be done, and he there-
fore hoped the Hotise would not agree to appoint
the proposed Committee.
Mr. BA al NG said we had interrupted the cony
inerce of Attie; ica, in the hope of rivalling her, and
the etre& of our measures ,k• as to give dee come
meree to an enemy which we denied to a neutral.
We -Ird injured oursett es by raising a spirit -of
hostility against us where we had friends before,
and thus that futile embitiun. which greeped. at-
every thing, had been in this instance (as in most
others it was, -and' indeed ought to be,)
disap-
poieted. Our change of system would he perma-
nently trijuriou+ this country, as it had forced
the Atnericatie to become their own manufaCturers.
- Tice Right -1-lotL.Gentletuan had spoken much of
the advantages- resuttitig from the Orders-in Conn,
ell, as haviug.dimimshei! the .French Customs, but
if with the customs he could compare he ctintisca-
ticmsello believed he would find the amount of the
latter greatly exceeded whatever the'former had been
at any tifue in Fram•.e. evei y pciint of view, -he
thought it was I,eeessary to repeal our Orders in
6tsunell. ' He could see nothing so arrogant or so
overbearing in the conduel of America, as td render
it necessary to refuse to do' so, 'in order to vindicate
our honour, as stone Gentlemen seemed to imagine.
There was no reason for apprehension on account of
our maritime rights, of which so much had been said,
and he thought the Commit tee ought to be appointed,
it le were only to take into consideratiowthe license
trade, and to ende:ivour.to suggest some better re 7
gula.ions than bed yet been adopted.
Mr. STEPHEN was averse to a discussion on sub-
jects conneded with the pending negotiations be-
tween this country and America, and was therefore
sorry the last speaker had touched on the subjed.
The Motion before the House " For the appoint-
ment of a Select •truntnitte to inquire into the
State of our, Trade, especially that part of . it which
had a reference to .the Orders in Council, &c."
was very indefinite:—The Orders' in Council had
run now to such a length, that to make such a
motion as that betore the House, was as if a Corn-
mittee should be moved ter to inquire into the
State of Trade 01 this Country, or of that part of
it which referred to the existing a&s of Parliament.
He did not 'know whether his Honourable Fitend
meant 'the Orders of April 1809, or of January.
1807. He strongly objected to the appointment of
a Committee to'go over ground so often controterted
in the discussion of a measure of such commercial
and political importance. Not only had the Orders
in Council been harmless, but our trade had risen to
a state of unparalleled prosperity since they were
issued. The returns on this subject had been re-
jected, when unfavourable to the views of Gentle-
men opposite; though they had been received as au-
thentic when they would suit their" purpose. The
Hon. and Learned Gentleman then took a connne-
hensive view of .what had been the state of our trade,
and what the effect of the Orders in Council upon it.
In August, September, and October, 1807, a very
great depression was felt. So great was this depression,
that application was made to the Custom-house k
permission for sixty or seventy vessels to land their
cargoes again, as all the ports of the Continent were
shut against them: The stagnation of trade in that
and the following year was so great, that the ex-
ports of both amounted to but twenty-nine nail-
-lions and a half. In the -Billowing years, after our
retaliative measures were in force, they amounted to
51,414,0001. Thus it would be seen, there was
an increase of 22,000,0001. in those two years, and
this was the result of that dangerous experiment, as
our attempt to retaliate was called. The state of.
the imports, and the effect of the Orders on them
were %much the same. In 1807 and 1808, they
amounted to get her to 26,300,0001. and in the two
following years their amount was 47,900,401. pre-
senting here an increase-01'2 t neatens and a half.—
He was astonished to hear the outcry raised against
the Orders in Council, when it was thus proved, that
under them, our trade had flourished mere than it
' had ever done before. With respect to what had
been said of our losing all the great benefits of a
trade to' America, which we had previously enjoyed,
he could prove, that tahine into consideration our