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London, England, 1823-06-25 00:00:00

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thought the only course to be adopted with Success was thet of
giving the peoile a real paxticipation In the English Constitu.
tion. They had that Constitution nominally;. but nothing cduid
be more disSintilar front the Constitution, alit operated in Eng-
land, than the practice of the. Constitut;ort in - Ireland. The
Constitution was given in reality to Wales, and it produced the
effect of restoring and rendering permanent the peace and or.
de of that country. They had a right to liea the same
coffee, if applied to Ireland, would produce sameeeffect.
There was no excuse for withholding thiSeatire participation,
for that had been the declared object of the Union. The peo-
ple of Ireland felt that the conditions upon which the ihtiori
was•consented to had nut been fulfilled; and even 111 r. Pitt
would not have been able to carry that measure if he /tail riot
held out intentions that never were Carried into effect. Ili
bringing forward this subject he should feel that he had done
his duty ; and if any disasters ehould arise in behind, he
should have it put out of the poier of Gentlemen oppoeite to
say, that he, as an hie!. Member, had neglected to give them
warning. Ile concluded by moving that a Committee of 71
31embers be appointed to inquire into the extent and object of
the disturbances existing in Ireland. Übe succeeded in that,
lie should follow it up ley moving that it hsa Secret Coma Et -e.
.141. r. G .14TTA iIT seconded the motion. He thought mry
one must 'nuw lei Convinced that the syetem of iasurreetion
Acts and measured of compulsion had completely failed. lie
agreed with his Hon. Friend, that. the question of education
was too remote to affect the evils by which the country was
afflicted. The system of tithes was one of the great causes,
anti he was afraid that no measure was ttow,to be expected daywhich that 'system would be modified and corrected. The
Right Hon. Secretary for Foreign Alliars had, in the year
11103, himself spoken of the neceseity of inquiry, on the eLIQN.
Lion of this very Insurrection ,llin which was now before. tire
House.
111 r. GOIILBURN said, that no apology was necessary (tem
the Hon. Baronet to justify his having brought the prestot
question before the House.. He understood the Iloeuerable
Baronet to propose his Motion not with the view of opposing
the present bill, but for the purpose of encouraging inquiry
into the-subject on which he bad touched. No
was' could
be entertained that the situation of Ireland was one of dif-
ficulty and danger, and that disturbance prevailed, which
it was proposed to meet and put down by means of the
present Bill. This being the situation of Ireland, admite
led on all sides, lie did not think it proper that the House
should go into an inquiry like • that proposed by the motion of
the Hon. Baronet, instead of meeting the present danger, which
was equally admitted. lie should therefore resist the amended
motion of the lion. Baronet, and persevere in his own for
second reading of the present Bill. Tie never could think of such an inquiry in the present advanced state of a Seseione—
To constitute. such an inquiry as that which was proposed,
would be to go into the history of Ireland from its conquest up
to the present time; and to endeavour to ascertain the effect
Dim* legislative measure within that verbal. He would he
as reedy as the Hon. Baronet to enter into such an inquiry, if
he thought it would do good, even though it should detain them
until the next meeting of Parliament ; but in the absence of the
Gentlemen, whose presence was absolutely necessary in
'lreland, they would be without even the elements of such an
Inquiry. it it could be shorn that the powers granted to the
Goverment had been abused, or had increased the dif-
ficulties of Ireland, it would undoubtedly be the
~ duty
of Parliament to enter into an inquiry. But even then
the inquiry should be of a limited nature, so as to afford a fair
chance of success. The House would not fail to recollect the
difficulties under which the Government of Ireland had re-
centiv laboured; and he solemnly assured the dense that fie
Alla have pressed this Bill earlier in the Session Vile could
' have obtained sufficient information to enable them to become
masters of the subject. This being the case, how could such
a Committee as that proposed by the Honourable Baronet
proceed with any hope of arriving at correct Anclitsions, bm. mg that they could not have the attendance of those who alone
could give information on the subject? To the principle of
the Inquiry he did not object. indeed if he should have oc-
casion again to propose such a measure tut the present, he
should preface his proposal of it by one for an inquiry into the
evil intended to be remedied. He did not mean art inquiry of
the extensive and generel nature sugeested by the Hon. Baronet.
but one confined solely to the dist 1.111;:illet'q Which occasioned the
Insurrection Ace. rite Bon. Baronet had too elie-d upon the
subject of cons ssion to raigious ftelings; imd it was tutpessi-
ble not to Understand that he referred to subject. at loch engaged
the most extensive diseueeloo, and eteated much di:ll.reece of
opinion. ././U1 the Bon. il4ronet propose that this iropirtsn.
subject, toe, sht,uld be entrusted ti a Committee or ti at
House ?—(!liar, hear ire-The lion. Baronet had fallen into a
popular (for be would not cell it a vulgar) error, by attributing
much of the evils of Ireland to its oveegrown popu team]. But,
even assuming him to be correct itt this.; how did he propose to
attach blame to the Government for emit an evil e—(llterts--. Ile feared the Hon. Bart. had not exactly Fipprchtmeled-theeviic
which really afflicted the country. In his (Air. G.'it) (Thatal,
they were °fa nature which 'could be cured only by Small de-
grees. raneation might do touch.; but its effects would netee -
sarily be. slow and almost imperceptible, although they weld,'
be morally certain. The Hbn. Gentlemen had treated Scot-
land'and Wales as parallel cases, but he (Mr. (,;.),was disposed
to loOk at such a compatison with much diarust ; and he must be permitted to doubt whether that which )tight heve been good
for Wales must therefore necessarily be proper, to be applied to
Ireland. The Hon. Baronet lied ascribed vouch to the viola-
tion of the Treaty of Limerick; but this was not the first titne
Of making such an allusion, for it had often been made, and as
often successfully answered. But if the .violation of that
Treaty .was the cause of much dieturbance, had not Govern.
went tuatle ample, atonement by_ repealing those IXnal lenws which were alledgettas matters of vialation'of that "Treaty
Ile (Mr. 0.), however, even by this, slight notice of die argu-
ments of the If onourable Baronethed departed. frpin his en.
Finally intended course, which was to confine himeelf to it2t. mg that, on a future occasion, if necessary, he would consent
to an inquiry into the causes of the disturheneee, prop- sed te be put down by the present Bill. With this statement I e
should content' himselt ; and should confidently leave his own motion for the advance of this Bill he the hands of the House.
--(h ear, hear!) '-
Col. DAVIES apologieed fbr ailtirtstaing the House on , this
question ; but he mild not bring hint:it:T M ceinettler it as one
which affected Ireland only.—( Bear, htial• i>,--fle thought the
Inquiry proposed by his Horn Friend ought to be granted, eve. rt
though no greet progress could. be made In it 'luring the tote.
sent Session • E'er the granting' of the roquiry alone would be
A pledge to Ireland that the 'Gouge were. About tia direct their
attention to her grievances. He heel laet year voted 'fbr des
Nun cypressßill, stcypressi
a understanding that t,. WAS te•lia only a
temporal y meatture, anti WAS intended to give tihVonment
time and opportunity to ascertain the cause of the disturbenCe.
He now feared, that so long us the Hottee entrusted (keen).
mint with the sword, they would act upon. ;he Sivord, alone.
The Right Hon. Gentlemen had rot said or promised'ity More
than what hail been said and promised by every Intili.Secretary
for the last 25 years. lie thought, however, that the Gentlemen
of Ireland must share with Government the blame which ;night
attach to them in consequence of these outrages.. Force was what
they called for, but not a word did they
,ever
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tion. Government took great credit to themsclvea'q.r notop..
posing measures which might be suggtsted on that side of the
House for the good of Ireland ; and the nigh; lion, Secretary
of State for the Home Depantnent had, on a former occasion,
instanced the bittillery Laws as a prOof ,that they gave no
such oppesition, But, surely, the Bootie %vete llgela be re.
minded that the alteration of e these laws wait opnosid. 11.1410
Govemthent, and WaS absolutely forced upon then, 'Crilo,,greut
cause of the disaffection which prevailed among,* the lri,lt pea.
santry was the unequal administration of the hews; fee the hewe
were too often turned by the rich into a means of olqirfssiar) on
the poor. Another cause was the system uf.esclusion, by which
the new went bent:fitted at the expenee of the many. Bethought
no remedy whatever could be devit4ed tor, r.r.4 ope*tf.these.ev,il
without a previous extensive inquiry ; thins inquiry he eertf.e.,;.n.tl
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