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LONDON, TUESDAY, MARCH 30, 1847.

The Lords met at Five o'clock.

In presenting a petition from a civil engineer
named BOLGER, complaining of a system of jobbing
practised by the Irish Board of Works in the district
of Ballinasloe, Lord BROUGUAM tftk the opportunity
of alluding to the difficulties which the law threw in
the way of the removal of Irish and Scotch paupers
from England, and expressed a hope that some de-
claratory statute would shortly be passed to remedy
the evil.

The Earl of DESART had only heard of one instance
in which there was any foundation for the state-
ment made by the Noble and Learned Lord on a
former evening, that the landlords of Ireland had
paid for the passage of the paupers on their estates to
Liverpool.

Lord BROUGHAM had made the statement on
the authority of Mr. RUSHTON. It was said the
famine had driven these people over, but certainly
the famine had not paid their passage-money. lie
had heard that numbers of tenants had received 51.
each to destroy their cabins, and thus enable their
landlords to get rid of them. The Noble and Learned
Lord then passed a high eulogium on the members
of the Society of Friends, who, on the Fast Day, had
pursued their usual avocations, and given half their
profits on that day for the relief of the Irish. He
quite agreed with them that works of mercy were
better than those of sacrifice.

On the presentation of a petition by Lord Asu-
BURTON for an alteration in the insolvency laws,
Lord BROUGUAM declared that his opinions on the
subject of imprisonment for debt had undergone no
alteration.
On the refusal of Earl GREY to state whether the
Bill for limiting the time of service in the army had
received the sanction of the Commander-in-Chief,

The Marquis of LONDONDERRY moved for copies
of all communications between the Ministers and the
Horse Guards on the subject. He was convinced that
nine out of ten of the general officers in the ser-
vice were opposed to the Bill. He thought the
Government should restore the pensions of the non-
commissioned officers and privates to the rate at
which they formerly stood.
Earl GREY opposed the motion.
The Earl of CARDIGAN regarded the Government
measure with apprehension. He was in favour
of giving a better pension to retired non-commis-
sioned officers and privates; but if the present mea-
sure were carried, he hoped the present unlimited
power which was given to men of purchasing their
discharges would be restricted.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY, after a few words
in reply, withdrew his motion.
The reports on the Waterworks Clauses Bill, and
on the Markets and Fairs Clauses Bill, were brought
up and received, and their Lordships adjourned.
The Commons met at Four o'clock.

The second reading of the Edinburgh and Perth
Railway Bill was, after a short discussion, post-
poned for a fortnight.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN brought in a Bill for the im-
provement of land in Ireland.
In reply to Sir JOHN WALsir, it was stated by
Mr. HAWES that a demand for labour had sprung up
in Canada and in the Australian colonies.

On the motion for the order of the day for the
house going into Committee on the Poor Relief (Ire-
land) Bill being read,
Mr. Su= O'BRIEN complained of the dismissal
of 20 per cent. of the people employed on the public
works.

Mr. LABOUCRERE said that the Board of Works
had been permitted to exercise a discretionary power,
and that the reduction had.been carried into effect in
the most satisfactory manner, and without disturb-
ance, except in one or two instances.
The Right Hon. Gentleman, in reply to Sir A.
BRooriE, stated that, as soon as the Relief Act came
into operation, it was the intention to reduce the num-
ber of persons employed on public works as speedily
as possible.
In answer to Mr. BORTRWICH,
Lord PALMERSTON stated that he had received no
official intimation of the bando which had been pub-
lished by General BRETON in Catalonia, ordering
the whole family of any person who joined the
Carlists to be put to death. It was impossible to
read that document withont feelings of disapprobation,
disgust, and indignation. It should, however, he re-
membered, that General BRETON no longer filled
the office he had occupied when that proclamation
was issued. The British Government had always
endeavoured to impress upon the Government of
Spain the necessity of acting upon humane principles.
He trusted that those who had influence with the
Count DE MONT EMOLIN would persuade him to re-
strain his followers, and not again to make Spain the
theatre of a civil war.

After a few words from Lord J. MANNERS, in vin-
dication of the proceedings of Don CARLos during
the late civil war in shooting his prisoners,
Sir DE LACY EVANS asked, in allusion to the pro-
clamations said to have bees issued by the Count DE
MONTEmoLIN, whether it was right that such procla-
mations should be issued by an individual receiving
he hospitality of this country.
Lord PALMERSTON—In answer to the question cf
the Hon. and Gallant Member, I beg to say that it
would be a great abuse of the hospitality which this
country affords to every foreigner of any class or
rank, who chooses to reside here that they should
issue proclamations of any kind tending to incite
war and disturbance between friendly states.
After a short conversation on the possibility of
procuring returns of the deaths in Ireland, the House
went into Committee on the Poor Relief (Ireland)
Bill.

Mr. P. SCROPE moved the insertion of a clause,
enforcing on guardians the performance of the duties,
and enlarging the maximum of land to be hired or
occupied for workhouses from 12 to 200 acres.

Sir G. GREY opposed the motion, which, after a
short discussion, was withdrawn.

Mr. GREGORY then moved a clause, empowering
guardians to increase to persons occupying land of
less annual value than 51., and desirous of emigrating
to where their landlords are willing to forgive all
arrears of rent, and to advance two-thirds of the
sum required for their emigration any sum not ex-
ceeding one-half the sum so advanced by the landlord.
Lord J. RUSSELL had no objection to the clause,
which was agreed to.
Mr. GREGORY then proposed a clause enacting
that no person occupying as yearly tenant any
greater extent of land than a quarter of an acre
should be considered as a destitute person within the
meaning of the Act.
Mr. LABOUCHERE proposed that the clause should
not came into operation until after the Ist of Novem-
ber next.

After some discussion, a division took place on the
amended clause, when there appeared—

For the clause.. ll7
Against it ... 7
Majority for the clause --110
Mr. S. O'BIUEN proposed a clause reconstructing
the electoral divisions.

The clause was opposed by Sir G. GREY, and ne-
gatived without a division.

Mr. S. O'BRIE:c proposed a clause authorising the
Poor-law Commissioners to reconstruct the unions,
go that no union should contain more than 150,000
acres.

After some discussion the clause was negatived.
Mr. V. STUART proposed an amendment on the
next clause.
Mr. LAnoi
JCIIERE opposed it.
The How, e divided on this clause.
The othcxr clauses were then agreed to without
discussion, the house resumed, and the report was
ordered ter be brought up on Wednesday.

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