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theresolution of paying into the hands Of his steward 608/. a- present notninal sinking fend, tee declared by lava In 1819,
year to- pay the interest, an to extinguish the principal of however, Ministers had changedtheir fermerplan, and declared
the mortgage. The first year Would' reduce it 1061. and each that a sinking fund of five millions was sufficient, and was ne-
snecceding one would increase the reduction, supposing him to ,cessary to support public cretliL -,.Still the real question was,
receive only- the 400/. a year him his estate.. This went on could the country bear this? The question of the sinking fund,
until the mortgage was- reduced to .350/. And then if the was to be decided upon theequeStion ofavhat the. country. could,
steward, witiniut his consent, or isle managed to persuade him and' what it could -not neer, for his own part, he conscien-
into consent, for the pur 'of fnrthering, some favourite ob. tiously believed that more good: would he done to public credit
ject, should go and raise 7,0001. upon the estate, what would.' by a remission of taxes-Le the remount of film millions, for seven
become of his Sinking Fund'? Why instead of the 10,0001. - years,. thate by the keeping up of the sinking fund, as'propoeed
which heat first he would find himielf 12,0001. in debt; hy the Right-Honotirable Gentleman opposite. if, good were
owed,
by If the lion. Member thought proper to reduce the proposed not to be done in this respect, the remission of taxation, why
reduction from seven millions to five,,heithotild support his re. . did the Chancellor otthe Exchequer proposeto givenip the two
ablutions. That was the true amount of surplus which the , millions? The whole seven millions of Surplus belonged to
Revenue now afforded. He should really like to heat...the' the fundbolder as much as the proposed five millions. The dife
Right Hon. Chancellor of the Exchequer state his opinion* fereztee between himself and the Right lion, Gentleman open_
upon the measure of last year relative to the pensions. He site was merely in degree ; for the principle urn which they
believed the n iti ht non. Gentleman was. no
.party to that both proceeded wits admitted to be the same.. The Right Hon.
.g , , ,
transaction, and he nopeu that he would come down to the Gentleman said, in substanc, " I give you up two millions
!louse end repeal it.-(ilear, hear !) - unsolicited ; but if you ofrer to tenth my five millions, I say tbat
_ you Will be attacking public credit." What tit 2 Right lion.
Mr. BARING was not distinctly audible in the few first sen
Gent. wanted was surplus, and, not Sinking Fnntl. Ile (Mr. T.)'
knew very Well that a surplus of 7,000,0001. was an excellent
tences he addressed to the He expressed his surprise
thin g,bu tone Of 10,000,0001. was better. Yetstill,aga in and again
that his Hon. Friend (Mr. Maberly,) after such a number of
years of experience and attention to matters of Finance,aehould
the questien would be, quid the countey bear it. They ought
not to bind themselves tb a resolution' from which they could
have Buffered himself to comedown to the
.house with a bubble
not afterwards depart with propriety. The present, he consi-
like .this-.the lightest bubble that was ever blown within its
walls. He was desirous of offering a few remarks upon the goes-
dered, as a most favourable moment for remitaion. ' What could
be more mischievous than to retain this surplus tinder the name
tion, and upon the observations of his lion. Friend, the Mem.
her for Portarlington t and he must say, that he could not have
of a Sinking Fund, and probably, in the event of war, to mud)
it ? Yet if there should be a war this might be very .easily .
imagined an illustration worse chosen, than that of the manegen
proposed, and public credit would theu be affected beyond all
trona of the embarrassed estate of a private gentleman, when
question. His definition of public credit was, "an tionciurable.
the question to beillustrated was the' Sinking Fund of it
great ctinetry like this, A Gentleman's Steward had 'only
performance of your engsgements." . If a war were to take
adace, the principle of winch was good, there could be nu doubt
to make his arrangethents, and they would Operate indepenie .
dendy of ;any contingencies. But- ene offairs of a State mtgi t
blight be wbany. that taxes necessary to maintain .it. would be voted by the
demand from ear to year such exertions as
ribose,' and deeertußy paid by the people. But the Horn
incompeeible veldt former regulations, , %he. propoaition of his.
Alember for Taunten (51r. Bitinn) had told the House, with
Hon. Friend had been sufficiently exposed by the Right Hon.
regard t the motion of-his Hen. Friend, that we were past the' - Exchequer, and brltir .Ilon. Friend the O
age of conjuring. lie deprecated eenjuring,ind yet he hod him-
-31 enther for Portarlington ; so that it was unnecessary for him
self put the cope tend,balls on the table.--(l.laugh.)-11 indeed
to crater. into it.. Hut the ealculatiebs might ..heejUdgeti of at
the Chandelier of the Excliequer would treat tide 7,000,0001.n5'
first sight, when they saw it was proposed that the same which matter of surpluseand not ail iaSiulting Fund, *.great partd.
seven millions a year foe seven years would destroy, 'should be en objec..
non would he taken aWaYal The total amount of by twelve Millions.
,The time was past when the "T.
,taken away would riot he a total amount lost.' The remission
Finances Of this country were to. be .manttged by conjuring-,
watildgelieve the landed interest, and better enable it to bear
(Hear, hear !)-and he really should walleye .been more slur.
future burthens. -Even if the whoa eeven 'millions were taken
prised if his Hon. Friend had come- down to the House and
off, they would: soon see the benefit of the repeal. This he
told them he was going to etg into a quart bottle-(A laugh)
spoke with confidence, though no doubt they must all evieh • tie
than when he said that 0001,120. was equiValent to seven see a surplus every. year. Ile was for public, credit as much as
millions of Revenue.--(!!cart hear a-But the fact was, that
any Man; but when he knew 'and observed the:diet:tett which
his' iron. Friend would leaye the country at the end of seven had . overtaken many .noble families in consequence of die pres-
years without any Sinking Fund at all. • He forgot also, that •
sure of the- warehe watt not for strutting about npon e surplus
Revenue, in consequence,of the redemption of d
there must be this diminutian of 1,200,0001. a that ear u n
amountthe of of. seven millions. .What little he had in the world .was of
a nature rather to be benefited than otherwise by a' Sinking
Land Tax.-:-(No, no, • froM Mr.' Alaberly.)-lf it was not so,g Fund; but when he recollected the- distresses to which lie had
to
his Hon. Friend would have an opportunity of replying his
just alluded ; when he recollected the number of those whetted
observations. Ile wished to say one word upon the observe- but little interests in their estats, and those burthened with
tions of his Honourable Friend, the itlember for Portaeling.. jointures anti portions to younger. children, in-Wati impossible
ton, as to the Sinking Fund. It was a question of the very for him not to desire to relieve them by as great a remission of
greatest moment, in hie judgment, whether the country taxation as was possible. Ministers .admltted ,this in
,part,
but they imagined they had. just hit the bmnidary between
was to ,be left without ,a surplus revenue or not. The ob.
nervations of his lion. Friend were most contradictory. He dis. rentieston of taxation, and preservation .of public credit. fie
liked the' Sinking -Fund, because Mr. Pitt's for a time was thought his Hon. Friand the Member for Abingdon (Mr. Ma-
for the emergencies of the, berly) had been hardly dealt by on the discussion of this sues.
observed, and then taken • away
country. His present objection was, that he was quite ;tore tion. 'Whether his plan would produce all the good which he
some Minister would come down hereafter, and take this
anticipated
.from it, was another question. Ile was confident
it could do no' harm. The lion. Member for Taunton hail said,
.away also-and therefore he was for preventing him'
:by
taking it away hinuelf•-(A lauh4nn This w" : ‘9lnetlW that the plan would through away 1,200001. of income; butlike the advice given to a lady, that the best way of
he had forgotten dint the pressure occasioned toproduce that
escaping temptation was to give way at once.-(Laughing.n.,
he wished the re
was, because
It income would tie removed. If there was any fully in the
virtue e,s Honourable l'nend believed , they had not scheme, it was Mr. PUN folly.; for his object originally Vas,
l:nitwit tO .hiss
, that* m to give way at to relieve the stock. market. •• Whatever advunta might be
Once, and not try whether they had it or not. , But feellug, as ge
given by ethe plitnein 'the' Way of retitission of taxation; the
he did, that the finances of the country' were now, for the first
Steekholder received, an egoivaleot in return. Something,
time foe a number of years, in. the handa of a gentleman however, had been said about raising' the . Price'. Of the
likely.' to, have the confidence of the liousee-(llear !)-atui Stocks. 'He hind ulwmtys been tateinet this meddling with
able to explain with soundless and elonirgee its financial Stocks ; arid particularly, against a Minister nieddling
transactions, lie :did 'hope... that.. they should' find ..both. virtue .the With 'them, forcing a tinipritetrys-' an artificial rise,, and then and firmness enough to .support the Sinking Fund for Its
legitimate objects.-(Hear, itear ! a-Let them ' look at the coming down to the House and sewing " the Stinks, you
amsecineuce of reducmg seven milions duxes. If any tien see, are two per cent. 'higher."' Front what he hail seen
of the Right Ilon, .Gentleman opposite, he was quite satisfied
ficit should take place in. the revenue for the next year. they
should be compelled to have recourse to loani, be should say the. Right libnourable Gentleman would never condescend
also that the Sinking Fund was an advantage. for the reason to 'Wept such a spoon As to the difference •of system pro.
which operated. upon his. Hon. Friend's mmd, for taking it a
nosed. by the Hon. Member for Portarlington (Mr. Ricardo),
ie. (Mr. Tierney) did not profereteta .understand it
,exuctly ;
away. Circemetances might arise of sudden and yet transitoryi though he believed it was something Which. would 'thud the
emergency, which they could apply the Sinking Fund to with purchaser Of the bold Tax a power to receive-it of the pro-4
immense advantage. If the surplus of Revenue were kept up truster in
of receiving it at the Bank. This if he had
et five millions, that enabled them to meet such temporary thus Understood it correctly, lie cnnsitiered hiohly-obijeetionable.
emergency, without applying to the people for fresh contribu- lie well 'recollected that, When the Redemption plan wits origin
dons. l'o be imposing taxes one year, and taking them of rally proposed, he had resbeed it, and obtained a vote against
the next, was extremely' njurious to ail the interests of the it &inn rk certain Country Gentleman (who was at first about t
cOuntry; and by applying the sinking Fund, when necessary, vote for it) in rather an odd manner. The Country Gentleman'
to this, legitimate object, the injury was avoided. There was asked him ( Mr. Tierney) " what was die,rneaning of -theplau?'!-'
en eizample of this at the present moment in the case of France. .
to which he (Mr. T.) replied; " why it is, to gave any mock. the Restoration they established a Sinking Fund upon Inthiee the power of coming doeni and o:mo4:himself on your'
the same principles as ours, to the amount of eighty millions estate to pick up the 1 tittull'ax;": This frightened the Country
of francs, about four millions
twing. It now happened that 'Gentleman, and he (Mr. T 4) got- hie vete. Ile cerutinly theught
• France felt hereelf called upon ake a military demonetra. his Hon. Friend, the Mover, had trodden in Mr. Pitts foot-. tion Om feared it would be mere) against Spain. He was not. ens is ; and he thought the proposed Resolutions would, in the
at all Speaking of the justice or of the merits of such proceed- end 'relieve the stockholders. But, to beer Hon. Members
inge--this was merely a question of Finance. The french talk' on this subject, one really would think, that if taxes were
to fort now taken off they could never he laid on again. He repeated,
Government had an excess of income amounting
millitns of ,francs, and the remainder of the supplies she re- that. if a bona fide necessity for war were now to ,be *hewn,
taxes to any necessary amount would be voted and readily paid.
quired was to be made up from the. Suiphts. Thus her
fie did not say that, pine of the ReSolutions of' his honourable
had hem preserved under such trying circumstances, and
Friend might not beimproved in. detail. Ile agreed, however,
by her having that surplus only. ' It would he seen that all the
other Governments of Europe were in the same state. If they with them in principle, though he was alwaye for having some
looked to America-with whom this country must have its first surplus. In conclueton,
,he could nut but eay that the stock.
holder ought to be forward in: nailing saerifice,i,. beset as he
serious war ; she had a Sinking Fund, which bed been applied
Le time redemption of her debt, and was ready to be applied to .certainly was with difficulty, hie ought to show that lie had no
theempport of war as its legitimate' object:- The Emperor of desire to. profit by the distress of his pliow4ubjects (whether
.ocfasioned by the currency, or any other cause) no &Sire to
Russia, for the first time,. heti condescended to publish the, .
financial .state of his empire, and he haul. thirty millione of take money out Of the potkets of the laodholder, to put it into
rubles, foe • a Sinking' Fund upon the same system. - All the, itisnitini. Such a voluntary sacrifice, while •it would not reduce
his own security, would conteibote to the relief of all classee..a.
powers of the world were tints prepared tneertny contingencies
which Might arise e end if this countr .were left without, there
would be no indignity, no dependence' which she would ntithe (Hear, hear,' hear !) • . . .
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reduced to. It was the duty of the House to view die finances , Mr. iIL.TSKISSOL N observed,' that the debate bed become
of the country as' Statesmen, and to place them in that condition extentitd into' matter which would come more conveniently an.
which a proper maintenance of the character and interests of the der discussion on Monday,a when his Right Hon. Friend, the
country required.: With regard to the view taken by the Chancellor of thea.;x chefguer would bring forward his pm.
0 the Shiling Fund in the shape
lion. Slember for Pintarlington, he wished to know how, posal on the subject , . , . . ,
under his system, we were to meet any sudden demand made of a Bill. lie did not, however, . complain of this eaten.
upon our exertions by, foreign aggression. It would not only take eion of the debate ; and he was sure he had no reason to
this power trout use but it would put the country into the state regret it, since It had called . loath the able' and convincing
of unfortunate Spain ; not to be able to raise upon its credit, the remarks of the honourable Member for Taunton, whose
neceeeary.ineans of defence against foreign encodes. Let them extensive knowledge and experience on this subject, must'
look at the internal advantages which arose from a maintenance always give weight to his opinions. Ile thought the Right.
of the politic credit. At present die credit of the Government Memorable' Gentleman who had just sat down, had rather•
was better than that of any individual. All who had money to replied to. the Hon. Member fur Portarlington ; anti that the
dispose of were anxious to deal with it, and to get Government Right Hon. Gentleman himself had changed his opinions ge.
security. The consequence was, that it got every thing upon the nerally as to the sinking fund ; for to hint (Mr. II.), it did un-
best terms. The question was one not to be treated lightly, but doubteilly appear that there was not one of his arguments i
as one of the most momentous.. topics, which could, require against it that night which might not have been applied to the
the attention and the decision of Parliament. It involved original measure in the year 1780, when the Right lion. Gent.
' one of 'these two results-whether we should be placed iii himself warmly supported die .principle of the sinking
.fund.,..
a situation like other countries, to ttioet anti repel agree,. The objections of the Right lion. Gentleman were trite, and
sion from without, and to maintain public credit and public were applicable at all tittles to the sinking fund: ' kle (Mr.
faith at home,
.or whether we should be left unprepared and II.) freely admitted that the 'fixing; the available surplus
defenceless against any dangers Which 'M. ay arise, be they ever at five millions appeared to !lit rather an arbitrary measure;'
so exigent, lie should trouble riernliouae with one more obe butt it must be axed at some 'tun, and the present had long
servation upon the plans of his lien, eFeiend (the Member been considered as the best. lie ' could not but: admire the
for Portarlington), in conjunction. withsorne Statements of the Clear statement of the lion. Menther for
.portarliogtoo ; but he
lion. Member for Aberdeen-a 'name' lie entree MentiOned thought his reasoning was not sustained by hie illustration.-a
witnout feeling how much' the cnuntny..waen indebted te. his, The lion. Member had put the caste of a Man with i,OOOl. a-year
Oaken-(lm, heat!)-..11ia Hon. Friend, was continually. income, :and 5001. a-year to ptiy met vf it for interest of dein,-
reverting to a platnof 'an equitable and contribu- and Who. raised a sinking fund Invent reduction.of-the debt....,,
utioo all debts and upon all, propov,. 'Now this he WWI But as the :lion, Gentleneau had concluded his illustration by
; cOnVinced was totally impracticable/ With respete to the making his owner borrow in ,erder to prdserve the estate, he
,Statempt •of the 'llim Member !fpr Alierdeen, it would be had completely shown the good of a Sinking Fund, said the il-
found is inost. interesting one tq thOtie Gentlemen who took the. Nitration c.ontreverted rather than sustained.. the argument.---
'trouble of investigatihg Nadi- 244 )0 'ft ifieWell,-and no The Right lion-Gentleman, too, who had just sat doW1), '447,
doubt the calculation was arithmetically correct,.tliat it' die :nutted sOmething towards the close: of his -speech, Which' tip,
House liatt,Cothe tothe resolution of 'levying six millions of peered Very much like an answer to the .previous part of it,-,
tares annually, during the war, beyond time amount which the tie hail admitted that some surplus ,was necesSary to maintain
people did pay, there would !levee been no „increase of the public credit; but the Itight.,Hon. Gentleman Would not call it
debt.; ' This might be quite true in figures ; but looking to the Sinking Fund. The Rt. Hon. Gentleman witsperfectly welcome
stato,ln 'which this country had :heen,tand the tremendous exer. to call u Surplus if he would, rattle!' than Sinkinglund ; but
dons'Which she had.been - compelledeo make, who would say if taxes were to be taken off to the amount, or near the amount
that direct increase of taxes,froin sixteen millirem to twenty. of the Surplus, and we shouiel in ie following year be visited
• two.could have been proposed and adopted without creating leyhad harvests or any other difficulty, which should raise the
anarchy and revolution, Such a calculation miAht, therefore, price of provisions,. anti cause a deficiency of revenue, we
be arithmetically correct, but the meatiore. itself ad would have ahe ,cetutinly be'obliged- again to borrow. - As to the Reso.
been impracticable. The lion. Member concluded by begging( lotion of liilde whether it was wise or unwise it was adopted
pardon of the House for detaining them He long, and by ex. by a Largemajority of the ribose; and what would be- said
pressing his intention to vote against the resolutions-...(Cheers.) over all gurope, If we were now to say. we had not the Sue-
'' Mr. TIERNEY was desirous of offering.' n few words to the Plll4' WC pl'ol3oSetl.to have ?-:-(The Right lion, Gentleman here
110ii.se upon this question; and he would assure his Hen. referred to the Resolution of 189, which declarerti o Surplus
gr(m& who bakinst sat down, that he should not view. it lightly; Revenue of five millions as necessary for the protection of
nor consider it es one of trifling tnotnent. :On the centrally he lublieeretlit.)-Uniess, therefore, they desired to impair pub.
thattglit this was a time when the,managament of the finances lie credit, they would, not depart front the resolution without
of the. country. required till time talent and all time firmness time most overruling necessity: 7 The Right lion. Gentlemansaid
whieb could be obtained, to carry it throeigh a period of so much this wits merely a question of .degree. Admit that it was; and
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diffieultY and danger. lie tack time quogtion now before: the . he would ask the Right Han. Gent. to look at other countries.
11444 t axp
o . be, whether five millions of te should be reduced or , ;acted -by a National peht, all -of which,. had adopted dm
If: it, wits atiMittell,,o4 all itinuls, ,thitt
1 hoto No onellael, Oflaten been a enorenintertnined opposer of
,princiPleof our Sinking. Fund, and many of Which had iiur.:
Mlt.ltt's Syinenythin lie had; Ile had often, stated, and had passed in the degree.'
*mile Ninieters, that ite-,fildsnot thirib'llie country was in a, tinge ;must, be surplus, how.
,pcottltl it better be emPlaye&
ititadtvott,tn.bear a Sin;;iti.z ynn&pf ilvarnAllosts. . Ile thoughe.
,thatt in ilib' redticthel 'of liebt. ' • riukusPlue*as, 'Merely one :of„
• eataJniseion eik,,taxars.i.,nr peeteranla,in ever!. point of view: As-
,words. e Opt the jtesoloilone,now,ineppotied had professia .to
for Ole shill fu dl,' intlied,"lie Inifilit'lrtily tidy he had Ant- give. a substhute for nginith)g vyrut-; The gave avers thltig
,Vitied ; it. 'nil .4'mt4tivadins:;uptaisa:.lol;lloo numerbas; he. worts substitute,.
'fiat apposed them all; originally they were indirect, but _the plug, while they took the surplus 'Nell- awaYg-nie redempe-
lot .thogpaptittfil=lll:,,necess!ty _ of „a aur- .
meek WAS taken Oil', and while tinge was actuallyan unre. tion of the debt, *at -Presentaiby 000010 of tnt .I.aod Tax,.
pealed law in favour of a sinking fund of 17 millions, another would be nothing but the trensfer at a part o • the Revenue t'
law was proposed in favour of one of five millions. The and if all time Land Tax were redeemed to.morrow, nothing
House should recollect that 17 millions was the,amount of the would be gained by it but a reduction in the charge of ma.

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nagement. But as every Loin-Wes considered as a new Debts
the inttrest of which was to be met by particular taxes, no-
thing. would be inore easy than (in the serer
,way as was now
proposed with respect to the hand Tax) to write off one debt,
by placing this taxeeigainst it., anti another debt. by placing
that tax..., ageintt 'if, and we shoelti then be out of debt, with
this slight inconvenience, that we should have'to pay exactly
.the.tanit sum as before. The objeceef Mr. Pitt's plan was to
freefieVe the pressure. In the time of -War ive weresellers of
Stoat. In that of peace, we, of curse, eußbt to be PT'
chasers of Stock ; but he should not liktplio facilitate the sale
of the'Lanel. Tax, for instance, at theammii time that we were
.purchasers, He thought the plan'of the Hon. Member alto-
gether a delusion so far as it professed to find a substitute for
the Sinking Fund. Many satisfactory reasons Could be given
to account for the circumstance of the Land Tax not having
been bought up. lie had no objection to simplify the different
Acts on the sub4eet ; but that was not at present a rarliamen-
tary subject. 'he
.Right Hon. Gentleman apologized for ad-
,dressing the Mouse;. but assured them he should not have
done so, had not the principle of the Sinking Fund been di-
rectly attacked.--( Hear !)
Mr. CALCRAFT denied the ;tustice' of -the charge of in-
consistency brought.by the last Right Honourable Gentleman
against his Right Hop. Friend' (111 e; -Tierney.) It was true
that his Right lion. Friend had approved of the original plan
of the Sinking Fund in the year 178 d ;' -hut an important change
had since taken place in our own situation. He (Mr. C-e)
thought the difference between the lion. Gentleman opposite
and his !lon. Friend was not very great.: lie evopoied a sur-
plus of two milions, while.they 'PrOresetionel,f five millions--
The lion. Member for Taunton-had-treated -the question quite
abstraetedly, and, apparently, without suffeeing the distress of
the people to enter into his consideration ; and there ems no
doubt that in the Mode in which that Hon. Member treated, it
he wes.perfectly correct. But the true tpiestion was whether
the remission of the additiOnelehreamilliona would not increase
.our resources. Tie (Mr. C.) confeesed :he Aid. not view the
Resolutions altogether as a substitute for.the Sinking Fund ;
but he thought a surplus of two millionaquite sufficient tomeet
eny•possible deficiency of -revenue. In a following year; a de-
ficiency which was by no means to he anticipated. lie thought
ton that the people would be in a better !qua:in to bear new
taxes in temper, al well as in pocket ; and that in every point
.a view, the remission Of their was Trefenibli to a continuance
Of the present system. • • .
Mr. MABERLY shortly replied. The lion. Member fOr
Taunton had called hie plan a bubble ; ,butif it was so, it was
Mr. Pitt's bubble, and not his. (The Hon. Gentleman here re-
ferred to a speech of Mr. Pitt on the sinking.fund,, stating that
the object of it was to absorb stock,) He (Mr. 31aberly) was
-not the projector of the plan ' • it was founded on previous Acts
of Parliament. The 'ion. Member for Taunton had also com-
pared. the plan to his (Mr. 141,alierly's) attempting to get into
a quart bottle ; but he .really thitughf the Hon. Gentleman's
owe opinions on the subject rendered such a Comparison much
more apt than' his. The adoption of the plan would not pre-
. elude the House from imposing additional Taxes, should they
be necessary ; and they could be paid by the people with less
difficulty, after such a remission as was proposed. He thought
-the objection of the Hon. Member for Portarlington was most
'extraordinary ; for the Ilon. Gentleman was for having no
Sinking Fund at all, merely because it had been mismanaged,
'He (Mr. M.) offered his plan as a substitute for the Sinking
Fund, and should take the sense of the House upon the motion.
The House then divided on the first Resolution, when there
appeared—
For the Resolution • • • 72
' • Against it • • - 157
Majority —B5
The other Resolutions were then negatived without a division.
The other Order, of' the Day being disposed of, the Ilouee
adjourned. . .

IMP,,TILE SUN.

FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE'REVENUE.

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EDiTOß—The.fOrication of Witte hi car-
ried.
on to such an extent that the. Duty on six-
teen thousand two hundied and fifty Pipes of Port
Wino at -55/. per pipe, is treater than the Re-
venue arising from the importation of all kinds of
Wine, Though 25,000 pipes of Port Wine are an.
nuttily imported. That it has been the custom
to fabricate Wines, the following will prove.
Some years ago, a Wine merchant in London,
who sold only Port Wine, entered into an agree-
ment with his foreman, that' if he would keep the
secret, this Port Wine merchant would give him
five per cent. on all the Port Wine he
This \Vine merchant having
,made a comfortable
fortune, left off busineis ; but refused to 'fulfil
his agreement with his foreman: who brought an
action, against him in a cowl of Law. The de.
fence set up by the Wipe merchant was, that he
had not. sold a drop of- Pori. :Wine7 the whole
'
Court were indignant, and the Jury' without re-
tiring from their box, gave a verdict in favour of
the foreman. In. the Cydei counties, there is not
kdrOo of pure Foreign Wine to' be got at alit.-
vent or inn. C'y'clei.' enters into the composition of
Sherry and Piwy, into that of Bucelle, with
sweet wort, &c. The composition 'of Port
and Madeira are published. The object of.
this Letter is to proposC a plan to oblige every
inn•aeeper and tavern-keeper, to paint upon
a, board exposed to. view the name of the
Wine Merchant of whom he buys his wine and
spirits. Tlie truth 'of thii can be ascertained by a
correspondence of the Excise Officers of the dif-
ferent places ; falsehood in this should deprive
the Inn or Tavern-keeper of his license. Wine
Merchants in the several counties must inform
the -Excise Officers frOm whom they purchase
their foreign wines, and the truth of this be ascer-
tained. Care should also be taken that the
quantity of wines sent out of their cellars should'
net, exceed what therreceiyed. The'same care
.should be taken as to-Witte Merchants, at. the
.several sea ports, who .import foreign wines and
sell either by wholesale or retail, that the quan-
tity they dispose of 'does tiot'exceed the quantity
imported.. This. plan Still. benefit the fair trad-
ing Wine Merchants, and also. the Revenue, by
preVenting the adulteration and fabrication-of
foreign wines, as well as every individual in
kingdem,. 414) thinks foreign wines and
pays the best price for them. The deleterious
efFects or fahricated wanes have often been se-
verely feit by travellers, and some greater pa-
,
nishment might be adde:l the present to deter
unprincipled' men from. defrauding' the Revenue
in the article of,.foreign:wines.

A CORRESPONDENT.

. .
, .3 ~
. .
LORD ,POItTiMOUT-
IiS-CMI!'" .'...
. . . - .
opinion,B,
iO3nnations.ra.oblivion.). EXAMINATION infider the-KING'S COMMIS4°N.
_ . . .. „ . .
F $tE Iyao:: if' HALL, FR/DAY . Fee. 16.-171\11 P4Y*
The Court opened at ten o'clock 04 npitnigt
!paahteperttic lo,:t.trezitiatipeiildveicoototneseanlygtu.;:ocian:liear.6o:nrioetidw..7,:intch:i,h.t.l33cUbSnaiatitni;eq:!oStii:fhtiiVe!.l.l`:;!;:.,
kr.. BAts its begged to addr4s a foC:illar,go' (0-.
N .
. . .
. _
S e
which rie nh j
at Peetaii:iedifloeithbahid
snrocilutbeset..6,li:::::taiildieavrtl,alantatilt.mi.irutort4is
con*dered that they intended to convey an ininustios
tiothlt
something had arisen in the course of the cross4olDi°,
which had induced the Learned Serjeant arid his frleniistnwt ;
r
n
ti„leithinudeeredwl.2ingthentraewedya.°l'hl:GuwPidthroculeatire::rehinnt!fewroi'mrdutlerniehlalei'lanasrdd°c;lwo°uAintril3tt.tillssthuesYft;lt'll'hiecirr:wJdniAlrhtrh,dstirivlietiakrteediuli'
them. But if they had not such a right, then Le apj)rellitt'!d.
the Court only was competent to interfere. ' lie distinct yss; ,
that he did not for a moment believe any
tithe
+
Intended t° be CaSt upon hint. Had believehei the wort{'T`j
intended as a reflection upon himself, :he should have on
upon the Learned Gentleman in a very different wsY thaw
public Court of Justice. ell
Mr. Serjeant PE i.L said he had hoped that I'll riilre„lgga
I:lllhajain have been Mentioned in this affair. Brit havti eat
ttPon, he begged to say that even now he si?e,u.. jury
answer the question. But he couldassure the laxly 0! tt'4,,',.
that he had not the slightest coMplitint to make apll,l'at
—All that.he naea.nt was, that eiouim extnessioo °.f,l„ll,l°liina
feeling had occasional) y been called forth, 'O,
~hez!" i '
act, had been named. Whey Were the hotiOutsPle; feelings' en . '
-prejudicett of human- uiture.... He hiniself -could not btoti. gr.
bark in the c.nnmott cause of humanity, ehettue.mini„6, ~,a. ,
Alder• had been so mingled up with these crueltie4 i'131,,'", 0.
4tar4ilig it was a little ernbarias.' ' n glocele w e.
snag for a ....„1 boom
..
was-cross?ouestioning a *int.., to hear it wL6Pe"'",,„il" err:
of the Jury, '• that question ought'not to have} eelft,-oe doing'
. this question is carried tea far.'" There was s'‘"'" edeips,
things--athhteohnltgehotia}:latkvoidrieci—ht:aind a certain warner 11121°1'. Pot eo
rendered questions more tin pleasant. However, there in obi.. - ,
one that.had a greater disperation than hiniselfto bur} 00.4
The Cum r Co st set sst
the lag time he should havetrouble then) 16
ow On' •
that had excited a little warmth of feeling, acre
11-
nillisdh.l4'igteetlhl6:lhP3eedet°l3477lll4l:::);3°',Atb4.::-.
ADAM then resumed his summing • tea- lk
jousr:to
warmth.
slid
i antid
those cases already noticed,tlPandfilttleelcr (I'!",liusttp;:
considerable mass of evidence. He noticed the delusa:
ic ~,
Lord P.'a mind, which the physicians had attempt!v4citeti to
plain,. some in one way, and eome in another. lie I,tu. read les
some of the eases decided by Lord Eiden, aou_.: ,t t1:11
Judgments upon them, on applications for commissiowthe tea
nature. He invited the Jury to be only guided broj,ipo/
of the case, and not the opunoits. He said they vo,
.041,
and.facts. the
ne Pn
that variousdileponder,
d'
were leasestobefores
aiatf llomd:h deedsePtluewhether,
T: i nwo hnji
therl i P ahi ids Y L'' 0 Iri t, I".
" c I li
f Ttl'; ;
ViNewobileg Itl.Alerailv4lateir.V.
sfrthdemitinvde:diteint
wit ' wbr
gnivoetneninoughyouthratohretlirodeso:
:.17..oenteeti;,
The Learned Counsel then adverted to the private cof-r, woe
of his Lordship, and contended that many of his aro"-ix fah,
`rational,- and such as showed a mind alive tO 4 SIC:*4100 '7
ing and information. He was asked if he knew 0.,,,,,0014 li:
his rents in Ireland ? To which- he answered heitritil"`to let',
was then asked if he knew whether ' they amoto oore tits
a year: He ens-veered, he should think it st:gurt. ,
that; bethought they amounted w 6 or 'LIN!'" • 10::
'll3 asked, do you know the amount of the .0 norien::'
He replied, I do not ; since Corn" has been no cht,elsgeonnti)
ofe
s
rohrlste:exatiwilamlb:ii:lsa
Ile
dakillitti
ncdoqtyciwritptuoeit;4ostrlnnitee ia lril:noea
diji,n
too .we
tuPHoerinrlyleolitf"pro
usdv:nleiedtnregellaire .more
lwiagal tldickltcuteesrthpo(ll:::::;':eib:("esl,,°lll:l::el"7lli
%;‘.l-111,.ant
Ittlen
co,younapitnateinnlredhde.sto do with the throne? 'll ;asset th'..,-'
ceive my friends upon.—Would it not be a vell,1„',101 Ctr;
whets
lhad been represented ?
aboltyrwntr'iinngl lowlife -111ilfies- atitliatlae:dpc:lsefueticlffietninstil;P::tereiloltrrelii:*tbegodte::}litri:lll3'itteati:irlisuftthilisticLAisiltnifthlY:::Ptil'l)l°i'4:::lllse(siii:Vl:l4:lll:;ligifl'Alcith:lll(l:;teltil::.
dieltan inu -favThe r
oft..._JA, Tintisoul,ir‘ia.totL:
a nhtni
eed_
wbleellot wets
really
calledyretuurn'led` o tria
insane. For should he be oltli °%,liifillq.l'ien•
then d theytl,.e):
brokeou nd thatdow down
et
he.: tbnaae. e-rberrdi
ealderr
betweenthe meaningsoln nigh
3: \
4,i4 r i eVeri
iii,it_soweundpohlmntsnoindwtscoi,iereanntedtnhlepio 1 ietneoedbdiet the
ings, or infomiano' n.-
of
the
complission
it.sedualceya.std.iitaint.inecairldifluiteio.rcisaiiitgirhyrvitilth.teditiolcaithspavlrte,eveirt.diwc..:::oo.su,,lo.;niciiortiosayt,,_barel 10)j,,,v,vbcarrotilussicti440,.t°ii),ttableii0610,,,.,.
strong
gentlemanly
labours were about heir, and conduct, whT jstyansactious °dot
society. / e mentioned his capabilitY ",.„r' the ottention.lol'
at find concluded with thanking the JurT ,4, ,tat the dth.'
nlad
ot bestowed upon his exertions, and `anic". , „..ailli., 1 ,
been intrusted into abler hands. .„,,i he 5:5"7, me. '
31r.
hhnself L in rising to reply,
A r that the ao frog
to a certain period of t le, in order „,,,cet ink"".
Your to concentrate and to enmpress the mass 0 ei of tlio.-tiot
they,,_ natl_.heard. Heshould rather applY the fattil ben '4'.. 'l/
d in
Tee law, than wade through the evidence. lt laather ince . 001
tlt
_rone and admitiistering of justice werek „ring of b't g
the Noble Lord's mind by others, than the ° sr. hilt at 06,7 of
--agalation. The evidence of Mr. Coombe sel two a 1°,,,t,i,e(
on the journey front Edinburgh the throne ilau of Barrie tbo
conversation. It had not its origin at that pal t Wi, 01$
symposiacs, which had been stated to be the to •hitil; be 0
dinner hour arrived, wine was not infused int°, J.:it ideit.ol:
alone, and when the medical gentleman atten°`oolloll:tro
Noble Lord was ready to receive him, and t° gate; I')
all the notions he had of the throne, and the ioocgc; fen
tioh ofjustice upon it. The Learned Gotienisnnrcrlioritedre
rime the nature of the inquiry front the Lord Chin flit, sot`''
words. They were " the Ctimmisiion issued,l,„(l 0, en'
of a writ 'de lunatico inquirendo.'" He then :- itocl,ilino
::::t had been given ne iliirsathaitioos..„...,4l,nloi.
sountinesiof mind; and itliotcy, occurred in 14, the Istil
words " demens curtosus,
at least tire centuries age. The first statute 111 ii, theilool,
was entitled " Prerogative Regis," and Passer 11°4 rr)t tk
Henry II: The tern" Non aim os menus," eri tolf6rl TO,
of mind, was the one used by Lord Coke', rd
to, l'e
answer the purpose of a Commission' in eress.!OrttO
united with it. . There were two questions for to t 101 ,0111
of the Jury-.the first was, could' they doubt' tir.3o Ott noef•
stilitus,,, were not
ilie consolerorts;
mouth was anum, of whom it must be "y!,'l",rhe Pe',;e 0
mass of evidence, that lie wits of unsound nand • , I whst„l's itrr
don was, if he was of unsound mind, nay% ': jelosv:4ol3'
..I)noltiil'hinise,Titeethel Nboebinlge Lord's rd? 'al': billiatdsubCleinan-i,i,as.s,,ttihoc!lrsii,li.-,:(ii•
to pews-t.,1
:--- facts, tendered the ;assertion e..s
st...l•re? ilisee-',
atom.", At what
.period would the Jury rot-°• 11 A 4011,1'
'thatilsnTtantiote upon
wri
sw
mantling
tbs..
Lordship
thi
were
te
et a
nahp eepnr
rlivoo
gdy
prudent
it required
et a
c:
confidenceae
unts 'ddi
ido:
on.
ne C
db which
be
)oti I
r tin ,
nnb d
the
te
ir r
owy
oe :
re: r
(‘,
.ic,
.4_, i
itii :to
hyilt:
ri.
07
antir: i t:t ,
::: :.„
nii
-- ',rant c re
itw appeared it
of ah.aals
it,oleenni:helliiin,see,
uts:aotinry,dnfiess)r a
otr::::::;:.gibite::.
was called in to liovern-tind direct hun. Theo', v'aina, nnr th',o
were better than opinions and conjecturce. „tit. a
,g tio',
were opinions of several medical men, whiell.,; so 1106
tills suPPoeition, that his Lordship wss;.in's.- with 0 c-e
as 1808. Ilis mother had kindly ;watched 11,1. r hid g,oepolof
care but his malady bad most probably ~ . Ihaterr,,,
Ills growth," and strengthened with his streng":he e
.5, WI,
ed uentlernan then proceeded to comment °Porter, 1 .01',,
Green, who had been called a Wealeyan c%.„11 l he Ziliil„lij,
how to manage his spiritual 'affairs ttg hO Pal aelP. ,clw
' he would does r*"
when in the service of the Noble Lord, nurse poi }.l
hints to advantage. Ile managed the Earl as snood itot iv' °iit
he could by little tricks and fancies prodne?
r,...g 0
fritori,lt,
easily as a nurse satisfies a child by plus thit„ll:ilit tt,lol4°,oi
be said of the evidence of the huge ttsTr 1411YjoactO*0
with his 50001. a year for rented proPertY d tUdile dent nog
Earl was permitted to exercise the high red to 610 r ,nor'
purchasing hay and corn. Ile was suflerot 000 41' the it,
his waggon and make I bargain. F1e.w,..,113 talents 'vt ,st,i,
carter. It was contemptible to talk of ni''„,,, oats 14,50v.,„1t4
old
,faseetincatioearn
poses of trade, But he wits permitted to ""itit or cow to
London, and When the honest tradesman w witieh tho foroo
his Lordship signed a draft.,:for the tonOol inpfletll,4o 015
' fillet{ up. • How tritling.such talents, an tti, hitbrn .11 01
management_ of the tintelleat Concerns. 'ell ritilt‘risikteid
of ' .eo ai
very great to be- sure in ' the WA? --
make t, l
ariat
true .he Ime* a rope was Imilled to the lin,i;rli#
should say nothing of it,l, blOriliC °le ail tj OIA OF'
of his shutting up' the ,WlndOint to t c' oldest,- ois,4
of his - Improper, Indecent, irregultfoid. . !ILI' tom
'spected thejemale; thelitiquen.,44 at,sciiogletig w"
with. a few remarks his lAettswP j -'

Ft:frau kATE ESCAPIi.--- Between ten and eleven
o'clock yesterday afternoon a painter employed
at the top of a four story ladder, in painting the
upper windows of one of the new houses at the
'corner of Princes-street and Regent-street, had a
most miraculous escape from death. A carter
passing by the foot of the ladder (by which a
wagon had passed a few minutes before without
accident), drove against it and threw it down.
The painter invOluntarily -threw his arm through
-the. glass, and. there hung, at
~that tremendous
height, the.ladder.falling fromunder him, till he
waa released from Ins peril-Otis situation by a
carpentilr fortimately`to be work.
lag within. Wbartho poor fellow's feelings,were
during the sulfnn between life and death may
be better concetvetr than describea—for even the
spectators of the accideut'ere torrifieti_to-agony
by the horrors of his situation.