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London, England, 1841-12-01 00:00:00

MORNING SUN

country, and that there was land in the country brought ,
under corn, which ought not, and would not, ,
be so under a free trade in corn.—( Hear.) There was
land in the country which would never pay for growing
corn at European prices—(Hear, hear)—and if there
was a free importation of corn, that portion which was
thus foolishly brought into cultivation, would go out of
cultivation.—(Hear, hear, and cheerr.) His opinion
was that such an impulse would be given to agricultural
improvement, that more corn would be produced by
the land fit for cultivation, than was at present pro-
duced by all, fit and unfit together.—(Cheers.) It was
well known that there was the utmost difficulty in ob-
taining shambles meat for the supply of this country,
and if it were not for the supply from Ireland, they
could not get the very limited portion of food our starv-
ing population now required. He thought it could not
be easily disproved Ithat this country was much better
calculated to produce cattle in many of its districts than
wheat. If they could get corn from abroad the soil
would be cultivated in the manner best suited to it. He
wished also to say a word as to the argument respect-
ing agricultural labourers. We were an increas-
inglpopulation, and in spite of everything to be done
and said to the contrary, we should go on increasing in
population. But we did not increase in land. 'Food
might be obtained from abroad, only by exchanging for
it the produce of this country. Labour was like other
commodities, and it was a mistake to say that mas•
ters beat down wages ; the fact was, that in the com-
petition for empioyment, one workman beat down the
wages of another. But by an extension of commerce,
the demand for labour would be increased, and then
the labourer might make his own bargain. He did not do
so now. Nothing but increased employment would en-
able him to do it.—( A voice " Abolition of machinery.")
A gentleman said, abolition of machinery would do it.
What, then, was it that reduced the wages of labour in
Ireland, where there was no machinery ?—(A person in
the meeting " Kingcraft, priestcraft.") Well, then, if
it were kingeralt or priestcraft, it was not machinery.
—(Loud, chew.) He would only make one remark.
What they wanted was increased employment ; they
could only obtain that increased employment by extended
commerce, and they could only obtain extended com-
merce by breaking the shackles of commerce.—( Loud
cheers.) And they could only do that by an united
public opinion —(Cheers.) Then came the qaestion,
how could, they obtain that united public opinion ? By
one partycomiog and assailing another? Was it to be
obtained by parties saying to others, " If you will not say
our shibboleth, we will drown you ?"—(Loud cheers.)
If you will not subscribe to every article of our political
creed, we will denounce and oppose you ! *He said
this was contrary to reason, to common sense, and to
justice.—( Loud and repeated cheers.) if they were
all convinced, and he believed nine-tenths of those pre-
sent were so, that the Corn-laws were an evil, why
could they not unite to repeal them They might do so
without compromising a single political principle.
A person in the gallery said, Col. Thompson bad
stated that the Corn-law Repealers and the Chartists
might shake hands together. Now, to carry this out,
if the Corn-law Repealeas would go for the Charter, the
Chartists would go with them for a repeal of the Corn-
laws.—(Cheers.)
Colonel THOMPSON said he did not come either to
offer or to ask concessions. He could not pledge him-
self for either one party or the other. There were
Tories and cold Whigs amongst the Corn-law Re-
peelers ; it was not to be expected that they would
agitate for the Charter. He came to ask the
Anti-Corn-law men and the Chartists, who both
agreed that the Corn laws were an evil, to cease
running against each other.—(Cheers.) He would have
them each run against the common enemy, not one hin-
dering another, but wishing that each might see cause
to rejoice in the other's success.—( Loud cheers.)
Mr. THOMAS CAPSTACK then proposed a rote of
thanks to Co'onel Thompson for the lecture delivered
before them, and his frankness in answering the ques-
tions put to him.
Mr. BAKER seconded the motion.
Mr. PITKETHLEY said he had risen with the inten-
tion of seconding the motion. Though he differed from
Colonel Thompson in many of the opinions he had ad.
vanced, yet he gave him the greatest possible credit for
honesty and sincerity, and he looked upon the circum-
stance of his being brought there as a good omen.—
(Cheers.) He believed there was no man who wished
better to the community.—( Loud cheers.)
The motion was then put and carried unanimously,
with the exception of three hands ; and
Colonel THOMPSON briefly acknowledged the honour
done him.

After a vote of thanks to the Chairman, passed una-
nimously, the meeting separated.

EMIGRATION.

A public meeting was held yesterday, at the London
Tavern, Bishopsgate-street, for the purpose of adopting
such measures as might seem necessary to carry into
effect the intention of the persons who had signed a re-
quisition to the Lord Mayor, to convene a meeting on
the subject of a National, or Government Scheme of
Emigration.
At two u'elock Mr. CRAWFORD having intimated to
the meeting that the Gentleman who had been exp2cted
to take the chair had not then arrived, proposed that
Mr. Montgomery Martin should preside instead.
The motion having passed nem con, Mr. Montgomery
Martin accordingly took the chair.
Mr. CRAWFORD again came forward and said—Having
taken an active part in getting up the requisition to the
Lord Mayor to convene a meeting of the citizens of Lon-
don to express their sentiments on the important sub-
ject of emigration, as the great means of relief for the
hundreds and thousands of our unemployed fellow coun-
trymen in various parts of the kingdom, and at the same
time as a means of relief for the distress existing in
almost every one of the British colonies from the want of
labour—the want of that which in this country we had in
excess—having taken an active part in getting up that
requisition, the duty devolved upon him of now stating
the reasons which had prompted those from whom it
emanated. He wished to be as full and unreserved in his
statement as possible, in order that there might be no
misapprehension, no misconstruction, and no misrepre-
sentation on the subject. The meeting was aware that
six weeks ago a public meeting was held in that very
room, at which Mr. Sheriff Rogers presided, and at
which a deputation from his (Mr. Crawford's) native
town of Paisley, attended, and stated the fearful destitu-
tion existing among the operative population of that
town, in consequence of the want of employment.
An appeal was then made to the charitable and benevo-
lent feelings of the wealthy citizens of London for a
public subscription on behalf of his unemployed and
destitute townsmen. That appeal was not made in vain.
Above 4,0001. had been subscribed in London in aid of
the Paisley Operative Relief Fund. Munificent, how-
ever, as that subscription was, it had been found quite
inadequate to relieve the distress existing in Paisley.
Since the deputation was in London the lumber re-
ceiving relief front the fund had increased from he •
twixt 4,000 and 5,000 to the fearful amount
of 11,000, being a fourth part of the whole population
of Paisley, according to the last census. Eleven thousand
of our fellow-conntrymen and fellow-Christians, not idle
and dissolute persons, but honest, industrious, well-be-
haved, moral, and religious members of society, were
reduced to such a state of destitution as to be entirely
dependent upon, and kept alive by, a relief fund, doled
out to them at the miserable rate •of lid. per clay.—
(Hear, hear.) Was such a state of things to be allowed
to continue ? Was nothing to be done for the permanent
relief of these people ? Were those who were devising
means for their permanent welfare less patriotic and less
true than those who were directing their attention ex-
clusively to relieving their present wants ?—(Hear,
hear.) As to a permanent plan of relief, many things
had been suggested. But it appeared to him, to those
who had signed the requisition, and to thousands besides, that of all the plans which had been suggested,
that which would create ample facilities to enable our
unemployed fellow-coun. trymen to obtain a subsistence
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hardship for persons to leave a locality where they could
not obtain a subsistence, to proceed to another where
they could, that hardship had existed, did exist, and
would exist, independent of any law which the British
or any other Legislature might enact.—(Hear, hear.)
It was the law of nature, it was the law of God, first an-
nounced when he gave the commandment
to our first
parents to increase and multiply, to replenish the earth
and to subdue it. It was a law which had been in
operation from the beginning of the world, as everyone
who knew anything of the history of the humane family
must be aware. It had been in operation at the time
when Abraham said to Lot, " Go you to the right
hand and I to the left, so that there may be
no strife between thee and me, and that we, and our
wives, and our children, and our servants, and our flocks
and herds, may have room and forage enough, and
plenty to spare, in place of our continually quarrelling
when we meet together for a scanty subsistence !" The
same law was in operation in our day among the High-
landers of Scotland, who emigrated to the lowlands, and
crowded the manufacturing towns—it was in operation
among the hordes of Irishmen who left their native country,
that of icinu gcntium, and inundated England, lowering
the standard of wages for the English labourer by their
numbers and their distresed condition, and driving the
inhabitants of Great Britain in their turn to seek a sub-
sistence elsewhere.—(Hear, hear.) That law was in
operation among those crowds who flocked daily into
this mighty City, leaving their homes in every part of
the empire in search of the means of existence—it
was in operation among the 40,000 who emi-
grated annually to America, among the 20,000 who
emigrated to Canada, and the 90,000 who emigrated
to the Australian Colonies. It was a law which, if they
were to examine the subject minutely, they would find
was at the bottom of the invasion of Great Britain by
the Romans. But England had since that period under-
gone a mighty change. Her own population now over-
flowing—she had become the Mistress of the world, and
the Queen of nations. The same law was at the bottom
of the invasion of England by the Saxons and • the
Normans, by whom: England was colonised, and by

whom the mighty superstructions of her society ,
had been laid. He begged leave to add, that whatever,
Englishmen might think of emigration, in his country—
in Scotland—it was not looked upon as a hardship. At
this moment there were in Paisley a large number of
families resolved upon emigrating to Canada, to Port
Philip, and Sydney.. These parties had formed a so-
ciety, and on learning that he (Mr. Crawford) was on
his way to London, they had requested him to en-
deavour to raise funds among the charitable in the
metropolis, for the purpose of enabling them to carry out
their intentions. He had applied to Mr. P. Maxwell
Stewart and Mr. Elastic to assist him in his exertions in
the cause; but they declined to interfere, stating that
they felt bound in the first instance to direct all their
energies towards the relief of those who were suffering
from immediate want. It then occurred to him that it
would be advisable to open two subscription lists, one for
the names of those who were ready to assist emigrants,
and the other for the names of those who wished to re-
lieve the digressed generally. lie was advised, however,
not to mention the subject of emigration at all, as it
might interfere with the other object he had in view ;
and that advice he had thought it advisable to follow.
A number of gentlemen, however, to whom he
had spoken on the subject highly approved of the deter-
mination of his fellow-townsmen to emigrate, and ex-
pressed their determination to give them every assistance
in their power. A number of resolutions were after-
wards drawn up for the purpose of being submitted to a
public meeting. But in the meantime certain gentle-
men in the City connected with New South Wales had
convened a meeting at the Jerusalem Coffee-house, and
at that meeting a Committee was appointed specially for
the purpose of preparing a requisition to be presented to
the Lord Mayor, with a view to call upon her Majesty's
Government to promote emigration to New South Wales.
Such a proceeding, however, was considered rather ex-
clusive upon the part of those gentlemen, and it was re-
solved that a meeting should be held for the purpose of
promoting emigration to the British Colonies generally.
—(Hear, hear.) lie (Mr. Crawford) had accordingly
addressed a letter to the Lord Mayor, praying for his
co-operation in carrying out their views. To that letter
his Lordship had returned the following answer :
" SIR-I am commanded by the Right Hon. the Lord
Mayor to acknowledge the receipt of your communica-
tion of the 11th inst., enclosing the copy of a proposed
requisition to his Lordship to call a public Meeting, to
take into consideration the necessity of Government
adopting measures for promoting emigration on a large
national scale, as an effectual means of relief both to the
colonies and the mother country.
"I have his Lordship's directions to state in reply, that
as he understands the whole subject is now under the re-
view of her Majesty's Cabinet, he does not feel himself
at liberty, by complying with any such requisition, to
anticipate in any way the course which they shall think
proper to adopt, but that as soon as those intentions shall
be known, his Lordship will act with energy and promp-
titude in whatever way he shall deem advisable for the in-
terests of the community which he has the honour to repre-
sent. " I have the honour to be, &c.,

Mansion-house, Nor. 12. " JAS. YOUNG."
Now he (Mr. Crawford) had the highest respect for
the Lord Mayor. He was a Scotchman, and one who did
honour to Scotland by his talents and integrity ; but
with great deference to. his. Lordship, he begged leave
to say, that a public meeting, such as had been pro-
posed, could not in any way interfere with cr embarrass
the Government. In his (Mr. Crawford's) belief nothing
could be so well calculated to inspire her Majesty's Govern-
ment with confidence in the proposed undertaking than
to find that they were supported by public opinion.
Notwithstanding the rather discouraging letter of the
Lord Mayor, they had persevered.—(Hear, hear.) He
regretted to be obliged to add that they had received
no support fr,om those quarters from which they had
most reason to expect it—from the bankers and mer-
chants of the City. Still, however, the requisition
was signed by upwards of 120 gentlemen ; and in
his (Mr. Crawford's) opinion, the Lord Mayor
was too much impressed with the importance of the case—
too much aware of the honour which a successful attempt
to promote emigration would confer on his Mayoralty—
to refuse even now the prayer of any requisition on the
subject which might be presented to him. Already
much good had been done. The requisition and the re-
solutions had been published in the Newspapers, and the
project had received the almost unanimous support and
advocacy of the public Press, not only in London but
throughout the provinces. These were very gratifying
circumstances, and he hoped they would encourage the
friends of the undertaking to persevere in their efforts.
The CHAIRMAN then said that the requisition which
he held in his hand was signed by 150 gentleman, many
of whom were of the highest respectability, and all of
them persons of such standing in society as entitled
their wishes to consideration. He regretted to find that
many of those gentlemen were not then present ; but the
subject was one of such deep national importance that
those who were favourable to scheme of emigration should
not be deterred by any circumstances from pressing
their views. His opinion was, that without interfering
with the efforts of individuals in favour of their respec-
tive colonies, the subject should be taken up by the gen-
tlemen in the manner best calculated to promote emigration
generally.ltwas a great mistake to suppose that the question
was one ofisolated or minor importance. It was merely ne-
cessary to state a few facts in order to point out its mag-
nitude. The recent census showed that the population
of England had doubled since the commencement of the
present century; and that every day one thousand
more persons were born than died. Now, some provision
should be made for these constantly augmenting numbers,
They had an addition of one thousand a day to the popu-
lation, and they had no correspondingly increasing stir•
face in their islands which they might occupy. They
should, therefore, sooner or later, find room in which
this increased surplus population might disseminate
themselves. But where would they find that room ?
Was it in Great Britain? Why, every year fifty
thousand of the industrious inhabitants of this
country were expatriating themselves to the
United States. But the English empire itself extended
over the whole earth. In every part of the globe were
to be found the English flag, the English language, and
English laws ; and it was the duty of Government to
give a tendency to the tide of emigration to our own colo-
nies. The extent of the British empire was not generally '
known. It comprised 2,250,000 square miles, which were
equal to 250,000,000 of acres. Now it should be remem-
bered that in this kingdom there were 300 mouths to the
square mile, while in many of our colonies there was not
one mouth to the square mile ; and it would be desirable
that our surplus population should migrate to regions so
thinly peopled. In Australia there was but one
and a-half mouth to each square mile, and but three
mouths to the square mile in Canada. Unger these cir-
cumstances common sense indicated that they ought to
bridge over the Atlantic, that their overflokying popula-
tion might there find independence and a home. It was
contended that the colonies were an expense to the mo-
ther country, but many gentlemen would perhaps feel
surprised when he stated that the whole expense of the
British Government for its colonies amounted to no
more than 226,000/. a year. What did the colonies
contribute in return ? The revenue derived from
the British possessions abroad amounted to 23,000,0001.
per annum. Besides the commerce of their colonies was
55,000,0001. per annum, and of that sum 25,000,0001.
was directly exchanged with the mother country. Ile
need not remind mercantile men that the commerce
thus carried on was so much profit to the whole
empire ; while the commerce carried on between
England and New York went one-half to this
country, and the other half to the United States.
Those colonies added materially more to our physical
strength. The regular troops they employed amounted
to 156,000 men, and their militia to 240,000 men-at-
arms. People were accustomed to talk of the colonies
as if they were a drain upon the mother country, or an
offshoot, or a scion unworthy of consideration ; but
such an idea was a gross misapprehension. The
tonnage of the ships entered inwards and outwards
to the British colonies amounted to 7,500,000 ;
and the property created in those colonies
amounted to 387,000 L a-year. But whatever was the
present value of those Colonies to the mother country,
that value might be still further increased by a well-con-
sidered scheme of emigration, while a relief would be af-
forded to thousands who could not obtain a subsistence at
home. The people of this country had markets beyond the
control of the foreigner, and they had an increasing supply
of the raw materials for manufactures continually re•
turning to this country. In Australia alone they had
the woollen farm of the world. A few years ago that
country exported but a half dozen bales of wool. The
present amount of its woollen exports was 12,000,0001155.
annually.' In Australia, in Canada, in South America,
in Africa, and in almost every country in the world we
had colonies capable of being made available to relieve
the pressing wants of the surplus population of the
mother country; and he (Mr. Martin) trusted, therefore,
that the Lord Mayor would comply with the wishes of the
Present meeting, and convene a public meeting, in order
that an impulse might be given to her Majesty's Go-
vernment which should be beneficial to the great cause
that they now advocated. It was no matter what the
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Mr. NATHANIEL CLARK
Mayor's letter again read, as he was apprehensive of his
not having caught its purport accurately.
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Lordship on the subject. However, meeting
thought otherwise, he would not offer any dissent. With
the opinion expressed by the Lord Mayor, be dissented.
He concurred with the Chairman that the respec-
tability of such a meeting as the present ought to be
brought ,to bear upon the matter. He was sure that if
they unanimously agreed to ask an interview with his
Lordship the latter would forego so much of his opinion
as should induce him to grant to the citizens of this great
metropolis an opportunity of expressing, without bias
against Ministers or otherwise, their opinions on a ques-

tion which involved the best interests of the country. He
(Mr. Clark) had read certain resolutions which had
been generally circulated, and which it was intended to
propose at a public meeting to be convened on the subject
by the Lord Mayor, should his Lordship consent so to do.
With the general scope of those resolutions he concurred,
but there was one, from a part of which he dissented,
(Mr. Clark then read the portion of the resolu-
tion to which he referred, and which called on the public
to contribute to a general fund for the assistance of emi-
grants; instead of which, he meant to propose that a
national or parochial rate should be levied fur that pur-
pose.) In case the Lord Mayor should convene a meeting
on the subject, he meant to urge that point on its con-
sideration, unless he found that it was not generally
concurred in. He deprecated their calling in
eleemosynary aid to the carrying out of any great na-
tional work, such as the question which had brought
them together to-day.
Mr. CRAWFORD concurred in the opinions expressed
by Mr. Clark.
Mr. MANBERS bore testimony, as far as his experience
went, to the benefits derivable from a well-conducted
scheme of emigration being set on foot, and instanced
the Childrens' Friend Society, which the press had
knocked on the head, but which had had its efforts in
behalf of poor children, which they had sent out to the
colonies, attended with the most happy. results.
Mr. J. RocEas said he had had an opportunity, with-
in the present year, of witnessing the distress existing
both in Paisley and in several parts of Ireland. He re-
gretted that the Gentleman who made the opening speech
of the meeting, had suffered a selfish feeling to con-
fine his charitable views to his own native place,
and had not extended them to Ireland and Eng-
land. The Spanish refugee, and the Polish exile,
found sympathy in this country ; but the unfortunate
English operative and the Irish labourer looked in vain
for a share in that sympathy. He (Mr. Rogers) par-
ticularly regretted that the gentleman to whom he had
before alluded, should have made any national reflection
on certain classes of emigrants who were under the
necessity of leaving their native land to seek a livelihood
in England and Scotland. He (Mr. Crawford)
seemed to forget that these very men were the
countrymen of the hero of Waterloo. Mr. Rogers then
entered into statements of the distress he witnessed
in the west of Ireland and in Paisley, and
expressed his approbation of the plan of a
great national scheme of emigration being established.
He believed that if the Lord Mayor of London were to
lead the way, all the corporations in the United King-
dom would come forward to assist, and their united force
on the House of Commons would be irresistible.—
(Hear, hear.) The Lord Mayor of London was always
a man of great importance and extensive influence, but
the present one had such an intimate acquaintance with
' shipping and commerce in general, and such a character
for philanthropy, that whatever came from him must
have a great influence upon the country at large. He
entirely agreed that anything like a public subscription
would fail, or would be inadequate to the demand.—
(Hear, hear.) Her Majesty's provinces of Upper and
Lower Canada would be much improved by the addition
of two millions of inhabitants, and to emigrants them-
selves the advantage would be great and lasting.
Mr. BROOKES said the gentleman who had just spoken
had adverted to the fact that ten persons had been found
living in a room eighteen feet square. He could state
from his own knowledge, that in a parish within a short
distance six or eight persons had occupied a room ten or
twelve feet square within the last month. He had him-
self seen persons inhabiting places which he would have
thought it impossible to use as a residence. Knowing
that large masses of the population were placed in this
degraded state, he who did not endeavour to remedy the
evil was answerable for the death of every per-
son who died in consequence.(Cries of " Hear, hear.")
The question was not to be discussed as
one of commercial greatness, or of partizanship. With
regard, however, to the present meeting, he thought that
when they had the letter of the Lord Mayor, stating
that the object was under the consideration of the Go-
vernment, they ought to be satisfied. He could
not hold up his hand for anything which would
seem like dictating to the Government. He
was surprised, that after the Lord Mayor's
communication, propositions would be put forward im-
plying that the Government were not inclined to take up
the subject in all its length and breadth. Without at all
detracting from what had been said by the Chairman,
and by the Gentleman who had first addressed the meet-
ing, he must say he had heard nothing which entitled
them to dictate to the Government, or to say that the
question would not be taken up by them in a fair and
manly way. He said this, although as an individual,
he was opposed to the existing Government. He believed
that their scheme of emigration would, like most of their
measures, be a scheme of mere palliatives. As a politican
he was an enemy to Sir Robert Peel.—(Hear.) He had
never had the slightest confidence in him, and had never
seen any greatness in him as a statesman. If, however,
the Government had been strong enough to say, with
regard to measures of relief, and to the Corn-laws, that
they should be postponed for three months, they might
expect that in all rationality they would meet
such questions like men. He thought, therefore that they
should not interfere with the Government on this ques-
tion. He believed that the subject was one which could
net be treated with too much solemnity. To provide
means of employment somewhere—whether in our own
land or in the colonies, was a question of profound mo-
ment—seemed to be the only remedy for the distress of
the people. He looked upon all the affliction which
had come upon the country as the result of their disre-
gard of the religion which they professed, and as in-
tended to teach them that there was no redemption for
nations but in simple obedience to the revealed will of
Heaven.
The CHAIRMAN said he must remind the Gentleman
who had just spoken that the meeting was not assembled
for any party or political object, and it had no reference
either to Sir Robert Peel or to Lord John Russell.—

(Hear, hear.) As to the charge of dictating to the Go-
vernment it was not their province as Englishmen to
dictate ; they came there only to express their opinions,
and he hoped the Gentleman would withdraw that ex-
pression.
Mr. BROOKES said a few words in explanation.
Mr. WATSON said he distinctly disclaimed, both for
himself and the requisitionists in general, any intention
to dictate to the Government.—(Hear, hear.) But they
thought that the time had arrived when the question
should be taken up by the Government of this country,
and when they, as members of society who felt for the
people in their distress, should respectfully lay before the
public their feelings on the subject: and the remedy
which they thought it most desirable to apply. Such
conduct amounted to nothing like dictation.—(Hear.)
He quite concurred in the observation which had been
made, that the subject could only be taken up effectually
by the Government. It was exceedingly important, he
thought, thrt it should be taken up as a Government
question, that where a party was compelled to emigrate
facilities might be afforded them for choosing east, west,
north, or south. It was exceedingly important to this
country that the able-bodied labourer should not be in-
duced to go to a foreign country.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
Let them open the door to our beautiful colonies,
and invite the people to go where they would have the
benefits and protection of British commerce and British
laws. He had reason to believe from letters which he
had seen on the subject that numbers who had emigrated
to the United States of America, were unable there to
obtain that full employment which was so easily pro-
cured in Canada, and other colonies of England. He
hoped that this fact would be made known to the work-
ing.classes generally.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. CLARK wished to observe, that he entirely ap-
proved of the objects of the meeting. He had formerly
been a party to sending many thousands to our colonies;
and he believed that, with few exceptions, they had all
benefited by the change. That was a reason why
he was anxious to join in the present movement
in favour of emigration. We had now arrived
at a state of mendicity in our rural and manufacturing
districts, and it was of the utmost importance that emi-
gration should be taken up as a national measure. We
would by this means benefit ourselves, and create new
markets for our manufactured productions. He hoped
that, considering the importance of the subject, the
Lord Mayor would be induced to re-consider his reso-
lution.
Mr. HINTON then proposed the following resolution :
" That a Committee be now appointed to wait upon the
Lord Mayor, and to solicit his Lordship to convene a
public meeting, to take into consideration the necessity
of emigration to the British Colonies as a relief for the
distress now afflicting a large portion of the inhabitants
of the United Kingdon ; or, in the event of the Lord
Mayor declining, that the Committee may take such
other measures as they may deem advisable for promot-
ing the objects of this meeting." He (Mr. Hinton) felt
that this was the best to give practical effect to their
wishes.

Mr. BURT seconded the resolution, which was put and
agreed to.
In reply to a question from a Mr. Carpenter, the
CHAIRMAN stated that it was intended to submit the re-
solutions which had been circulated, and which had been
alluded to during the meeting, to any meeting which the
Lord Mayor might convene on the subject of emigration.
Mr. CARPENTER stated, that his object in asking the
question, was to state, that if it went forth from that
meeting that it was intended at any public meeting to
be held on the question by the citizens of London, it
should be recommended to have a parliamentary or paro-
chial rate levied for the purpose of carrying out this
great scheme of emigration, such would go far
towards defeating those beneficial objects which the
originators of the present meeting had in view. He
was sure, at all events, they would agree with him,
that any recommendation to have a parliamentary
or parochial tax levied in the present state of things in
this country, for the purpose of carrying out even a be-
nevolent scheme would raise up enemies on all sides,
who would, under other circumstances, ' be ready
to carry out the objects now sought to be attained.
It would be far better merely to press upon the Go-
vernment the necessity of adopting some scheme
for promoting the permanent welfare of our surplus
population. After some few further remarks, Mr. Car-
penter concluded his observations.
Several gentlemen present then gave in their names
for the purpose of forming a Committee with the object
in view already mentioned, and the meeting separated.

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