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Per Tree : a's 'man imtrnver.ne.vatr ree,eiVed tnore
148• 10c1. . icadilig tbeiti
applied to in conseqncriee of the w lo stare of the
funds to advanc.re hut ha at first hung aloof;
at length; with Pal:eh intreaty ,anfl promise of se-•
rarity for4,ayine!!t-, lre did actually advance I9s
rjetaiuing Is. for discount. It was stated_ in
"nee, and it was a statement most Satisfactory,
that tI4. measure lately adopted by his Majesty's
(3'ol•4l•nrhent, namely, the Revocation of the
°l'ders in. Connell, wciuld set•the I%lanufactu;•ers
t° Work, and cos4.qpiently the evil -would
shortly subside. The original' cause of the
evil Was attended by anothetthe. high price of
provisions. Was it very evtraordinary then, that
When a .large patulation were reduced to
!eat distresS by the want of work, and were
Pinched by,ho.niter, that they should not have re,
t-rtined the same iieaccable demeanour which they
tvere.accustonied to observe in the days of pros-
i)erity ? The return of tranquility would mainlyuepend on a vood harvest and the employ of t e
People in, the'manr,faetories. Those two objects
Were likely to be realised; if so, there was suffi-
cient evidet ee that the present law§ would be
a•tlequatz for :11.1 the TiurpOses of good order in
at'ietv.. The iron Gentleman then advised, as
chief means of ensuring this desirable view of
things', that his :Majesty's Government 'should
!ndeavour to obtain for the country the blessings
'fl
peace.: Peace would put an end to the inter-
grievantes, and with respect to the external
llPPearance of things, there never was, -in his'
°Pinion, a more favourable opportunity at least
t° make the attempt. He also recommended an
.._xellange of prisoners : the
.detention of prisoners
"s, he a great sore, which might be re-
tcied. He Concluded with expressing his dissent
the pron.-sect measures.
lii WiLlinA)ricE a.siured the Han. Gentle-
that he WIS not more sincerely a friend to
136.ce than hiMself. Happy Should- he be if he
nought that peace would remove those sovereign
evils which life-le the subject of consideration this
If the best way to secure the blessings of
,I)'ace, or at least totreat for it, was by continuing
`'-iclse evils, he, for one, could be content to bear
with them: Bat on'the other hand, believing•as
le did that sufferinre-such evils to continue with-
' °at a pronerrestraint, was not the‘best way, he
'vas for: endeavouring to interpose a bar to the-
-4°'4lrinance, and thereby securing thehonour and
'ae'er of the country. It was impossible for
t look without pain, connected as he was
l'-° a part 'of the country where the evils exist,
c't the necessity of deviating floni the ordinary
;31t'se ,:f law. The Noble Lord had truly stated;
ch 2 measures now proposed did not go beyond
(I'`e necessity of the case, nor did they outrun the
IsP3si•ion of the country. He would go the
1
tt:ngth of saying,
.that be 4hould-not have disliked
1:e N'opositions, if they embraced greater powers
je thOse asked by the Noble Lord. His Ma-
-iUinisters. had, however, with those feel.
8' of the necessity of extraordinary powers,
to that House for the adoption of measures,
t,,4°i°llSly an a cautiously drawn up to meet the
• They were actuated by a desire to afford an
thgtec,, nttiml remedy, and in affording that remedy
ad been moderate i i 'their demands. The
tti°h• Gentleman (31.r.Whithread) had talked of
eoPirreness- in the Magistracy. It was very easy
(14Atiemen at a distance from scenes of dis-
.ger to talk so ; not viewing those scenes of tu-
iflats and of riots; they could tot be capable of
t'dgl •
ng. what was proper to be done. "He jests
Itat sears who never felt a wound." The Magistrates
best enabled to judge of the proper course to
-The Hon. tientleman, therefore, should
their
have rashly concluded they were defiCient in •
the
duty, because the laws were not adequate to
hge maintenance of the public peace. ttor his
he thought that the House meant totonfine
heir view of the case to the Report on. the table ;
the
th Hon. Gentleman had not done so. 'He hacl
esen to refer to, particulars which he had ga-
vered elsewhere. But what did the Report say
the subject ? Why it was therein distinctly
f teel that the Magistrates could not rec,e,ye in-
rilLat.ion of these disorders upon oath, for per-
Lris Were precluded from giving that information
• the terror ivhich.._ the 'inisgnided' rioters held..
ofv,er theta. The lion. Gentleman had talked too
4.. the Irish RelAlion tliere certainly were many
in the suppr•ssion olthat.Rebelhon,
4,4leU•wei•e to he lamented on the score of
but they were necessary.. He hat it from
4yers:on on whom he could rely, who ,was pre-
',
'"t at those terrible scenes, and who was in
4iGrkshire lately, that he never was more wit°,
teshed in his life than at the similarity of the
:1. es then. traced
before his e,..eS, and those
present
had tli4gvaced Ireland. Lie supported the
i:sent proposition, therefore, because he would
g 9 the length of those measures which were
Li laPPily resorted to in Ireland. Was it nut
Ptime to interfere, by some proper provision,
kt:ell family was armed against family—parish
parish—aiia county against county ?--••
e,„ 'ail was confusion and terror, was it not ne-
ez;ilatY, Was it not prudent, was it not politic
1111. i :wise,. to stop such proceedings,- before they
t,n;ved at the last stage, when it might become
117'4 ejative to resort to more severe measures 1—
ttot.t4 regard to. the source of these evils, he should
bpi euter upon that subject, but.he must state his
lif°,ll, and it was an opinion founded on truth,
‘s7.tile disease is of a political. nature. Ile said
kivleina his heart 3 he . was' never more sure of
thing in his life, and it was for: this rea-
-04 ,e
tn:, concurred with the. Honourable Gen-
t• en in the Conimittee, for the necessity
fun
investigation. He wished that the evil
%ta, ing to accidental and temporary circum-
• Ikkes, and that the unhappy misguided, and de-
edti.i individuals had nothing more to ansWerfor.
Ivan"°ubtedly there was creat pressure feltafor the
cre t 0f employment ; that circumstance had in-
klitiase‘d_the discontents ; but it was an undeniable
„,e'ear truth that the poular discodtents were
eo'ran- hi • . •,
eua in a rani,. sou • that they grew in that
Land were nurturecho maturity, If the House
Ithitolle it, he could appeal to many. Gentlemen
....Iv, ad personal acquaintance with the county
the r9O knew 'that these discontents had been
t)-iseVledtand fUMented by seditiouS, wicked, and
tlie,.evotis publications, calculated to alienate,
to " ections cif the People from the Government,
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them mischievous to the. State and
Ilk 11,0

serahle to theusseitteS. # e trusted that ,'e coua-
.."
try,inight still be preserVed.from the Worst effects
Of such publicatiOns-. hi supporting the ,propo=-.
:salons, he was :riot actbated by any Finciple:l of
severity; he agreed with the Hon. Gentlemiin
that it would be better to intercept crime,; by mild-
punishments. He, like the lion. Gentlenmn,
wished not to hang, and hoped it would not he
necessary to go to that extent of punishment.•
But When the Hon'. Gentleman talked of the state
of trade being the cause of the evil, di/ he not
know that letters of assassination had been,writ-
ten by these deluded -tnen---that houses were
threatened to be burnt, and the threat:actually.
carried into execution ! Were such proceedings
mere ordinary common things ? When men coolly
contcruplated those things, when they gravely
enteted into solemn engagements, under the form
of religion, to perform them--to commit acts the
most m „„ostrous z and the most abhorrent to ha-.
man nature---was the House then to be told
.to
lock at the original cause, and to-believe that the
war.was that cause ? He regretted that he had
lived to read that such events -were received as
matters, of congratulation ; they served to' skew
the diseased state of some men's minds, and the
necessity of sonic strong measures' of restriction,
founded upon a grave deliberation of the state of
things.

WHITBREAD, in explanation, denied that he
meant to throw any imputation on the Nagi,
gistracy ; but at thesathe time, if he contemplated
their conduct as erroneous, that was their affair,
and not ,his own.

Sir F. BURDETT would not have risen, but for
the promolgation of certain principles by the lion.
Gentleman (Mr. Wilberforce), to whieh. it was
impossible he could consent. The Hon: Gentlee
man seemed willing to go any length in the framing
of new laws, if the necessity of the times should
revire them. He would even subscribe to the
inithtion of torture, in order to extort confession.
(No, no )—The; Hon. Gentleman did not' assent
to the proposition, but, be would appeal to the
House, whether the words of the Hon. Gentle-
man did not strike them as going that 'length ?
(No, no ! .was reverberated• from one part of the
House to the other.—The Hon. Baronet then
proceeded to discUss the principles of the measure.
He •hoped the Noble Lord was not entering on the
commencement of that career of blood which was
pursued in Ireland.—(No; no'.)—The lion. Baro-
net apologised, and that he did not wish
to affix on the Noble Lord anoditith 'which he did
not merit. With respect to what had taken place,
if he were to judge of the state of things, from what
fell from the Hon. Gentleman,' he should imagine
that the flame of discontent was spreading, but
the real fact was not so 5 it was allayed, ovat
least was'allaying. • He then sgued against the
proposition on the ground that the presept law was
sufficient, as had been shewn in the conviction of
several of the rioters. Adverting to what had
fallen from the Member for Yorkshire on the sub-
ject of seditious publications, the only Way to
stop the circulation was by, stopping the press.
With respect to the Report, he 'considered it as a
flimsy oboe containing no secret intelligence—no.
thing but what was before contained the' news-
papers. He concurred with the Methber fur Bed-
ford, that the'best means of relieving the dis-
tresses of the country was 'lsy'an endeavonr. to
obtain peace--next to that was a Reform in Par-
liament. He stated his intentioa before the re-
cess of calling the attesition. of Parliament to the
subject.
Mr. WILBERFORCE and Sir F. BU RDETT mutu-
ally explainecL
Mr. CANNiNG having been Member of the
Committee, and having heard from the Honour-
able Gentleman (Mr. Whitbread), also a Member
of the Committee, that there was no necessity for
going so far, and from, another Hon. Gentleman
(Mr. Wilberforce), something like. an intimation
that the measure of the Noble Lord d d not go
fir enough, he should not he acting fairly if he
did not express his opinion on the measure ; that
opinion was, that the measure was.as well calcu—
lated to meet she precise case as any measure
could
cod be. If he had any doubt. upon it, that
doubt would be on the side of the Member for
Yorkshire, namely, that connected .with other
circumstances, as. the case was, the measure pere.
haps did not go far enough. On the face of the.
Report, such facts were stated as left no alterna-
tii,e but -to enable the Magistrates, by a stronger
measure, to secure ' the pissce of the country.--,
From all that had transpired in evidence, he was
prepared to say, that th*sevil now sought to' be
remedied had its origin, not as the Member for
Bedford supposed in commercial distress, but a
political disease. .The impression which was left
on his mind from the e idencc, was, that a,great
veal of iOtrigue of that natuee had been going on,
associating with the cause certain individuals,
who in publications had more extensive schemes
in view. In a case like this, he felt that the re-
port had under-stated the extent, but he thotight
it better to be in error on that side than to state
the extreme of the ease, especially if the Govern-
ment would not let the inconvenience stand in
the way of further measures, if necessary. It had
been said, that the Magistrates were slow in the
exercise of their powers. It was true they Were
in some instances. lie thought, however, the
House ought to be very cautious in attributing to
a gratuitous Magistracy any dereliction of •duty,
when they must be so mainly interested in9secur-
ing civil tranquility, and in preserving the politi-
cal laterests of the country. The
,Right lien.
Gentleman then passed a warm eulogium on the
liberty of the press, and the necessity for preserv-
ing it entire, allowing ail measures, whether in-
ternal or external, to be freely discussed. If that
liberty is improperly used by designing men, it was
easy to apply a remedy by late. With respect to
the benefits to be derived from the measure, the
country might expect not only the salvation of
those engaged in the disturbances, but those who
might, but for the measure, be drawn into a par-
ticipation of the crime. With respect to the army'
in array, the impression on his mind was, that
the drilling did mischief in a political point of
vietv. On all these grounds, he should feel it his
duty to approve and support the measure.'
Mr. LAMBE contended, that on, the face of the
information there was sufficient evidence of the
existence of a system of outrage under which
no person or property was safe, and which, at

for the grave ethisideraiiiri ;If Pat.
liament. With 'respect to the, provisions of the
reoee proposed; it' Might be a matter of deli:,
bereldda whether the dditini.which the power Of
searching for arms must occasion; would be cone.-
tel•-balanced by any advantage that the•possessimi
Of such a nci*e.r would give to the Mao'strateS.H
ThiS and the other provisions of the Bill Would
be it subjects for future discussion ; but that
some eateusion of authority was indispensable Le
thought no One could deny.
Lord CASTLEP.EAGH' wished td say a Pel'i
in reply to some of the observations which - had'
fallen from some Hon. Gentlemen hi the course
of the debate. And in tea: first place he Would ob-
serve, on the regret expressed by his Hon. Friend
(the Member for Yorkshire), that more extensive
evidence had not been entered ,futo in the Com-
mit ate. The fact was, that the evidence of the
persons whom it had been propo-?.)ed to examine,
was as completely before the Coin tritteC as if those
persons had been actually examined: Undoubt-
edly, had Governmentthought that the result of
-any parole evidence- would have. been to sties/
Parliament the necessity of granting a larger and
more iiperati-ve authority than that proposed by
the BE: for which he had the honour to Move ; it
would have been their duty to call for the assist-
ance of such evidence ; hut this was not the case.
He had endeavoured- to show the Committee, that
by no evidence could it be estahliShed, that the
existing mischiefs were as great and cemprehen-
si're as those which existed a few years ago; arid
therefore, that it would he wise to treat the pre-
sent case in a more indulgent manner than that
to which he had just all-aded. ' He confes3ed he
never had listened to any speech in Parliament,
so unsuccessful in the endeavour, by trite and
misplaced -argument and illustration, to give to
the proceedings, in which the necessity of the
proposed 'measure origia'tted character of in-
siarriNcanee, as that which had been uttered by
the' son. Gentleinan opposite (Mr. Whitbread)-.
His Hon. Friend, the -Member for Yorkshire, had
sufficiently answered that par 'of the Hon. Gen-
tleman's speech. But if the Hon. Gentleman had
been unsuccessful in attempting to slew that the
circumstances were not worthy the attention of
Parliament, he was still more unsuccessful in at-
teniling to thew that the existing power of the
Magistrates was competent to the reduction of
the disturbance's, even if they were as serious as
they had been represented to be. When the
House reflected on. all that had Occurred during
the last three months, in the dhsturbed districts,
he thought they would require something of the
Honourable Gentleman's nerves before they could
consent to dismiss the subject as unworthy their ,
attention, • and to allow matters to proceed unin-
terruptedly, not the calf made upon
them by the lklAgistracyfor that additional power,
which was found to. be indispensable to the resto-
ration or tranquility. His Hon. Friend, the Mem-
ber for NOrkShiee, in his remarks on that provi-
sion of the propcised measure, which Went to give
the Magistrates the power of searching for arms,
seemed to think that this power could not be ex-
ercised with such rapidity ,and surprise as to
eifect the object desired: He admitted, that to
take arms by surprize, (except indeed in some
cases offensively, when they were actually in-the'
hands otthe disturbersrof the public peace) could
scarcely beeexpected ; yet in his painful expe- •
rience in another country, he knew, that although
arms had. not been -collected by .surprise, yet that
in Conseqaence of the legislative measure adopted
iil Ireland, not less than one hondred thousand
had been withdraWn, by the military and the Ma-
zistrates.from the hands of the insurgents. As he
was speaking of Ireland, he must be allowed to'
say,. that although he trnsted the wisdom of the
Legislature,. the -activity of the Magistrates, and
the good sense of the people at large, would pre,
vent this country from being brOught into the si-
tuation in which Ireland was once, yet he should
very much deceive the House, and very ungener-
ously eoulpromise the character of those who had
the superintendance of public affairs- in Ireland at
the per od td which he (Lord Castlereagh) had
alluded, if he did not distinctly declare, that were
this country to be involved in similar. dangers, it
Would be impossible for the Government and the
Magistrates to conduct themselves in a' manner
more creditable to their hinnanity than the Go-
vernment and Magistrates of Ireland-had .r:one.:—
It was. extremely easy for the Hon: Gentlearan
opposite, who koew nothieg, by personal -obser-
vahon, of the difficulties and dangers attendant
on the task suppressing.disturhances in a coun-
try, to hold such perils 'cheat.) ; but these who had
protected Ireland when she was threatened, with
`civil destruction, better knew how to estimate
them. The Hon. Gentleman's observations on
Lord Camden had been most ungenerouS and
most unjustifiable. _ The I-lon. Gentletuan might
not approve of the measures of Lord Camden's
Government-Those measures were inirly open to
his animadversion. But every one who haew any
thing of .the kind and benevolent • heart of that
Nobleman must know that he would revolt from
all Unnecessary exercise of severest'. An lion, Bart.
also .had chosen to throw out an imputation upon
the Government of Ireland under Lord Camdenrs
Niceroyalty, which,- if true, ought to briehr upon
that G-oVernMent the detestation cf all good
men, and that was, that they had. countenanced
the practice of inflicting torture for the ex-
traction of evidence. He' could assure the House,
that there 'had been no instance. of torture ever
known or authorized by. the IriSh Government.
It was true, that during the disturhances in Ire-
land, when all- other laws had ceased to exist,
there was no resource for the security of the lives
and property of the- peaceable 'mid loyal in-
habitants, but the substitution of Martial Law.
The necessity of, Martial Law on that occa-
sion had been sanctioned not' only by the Le-
gislature of Ireland, - bat subsequently by that of
the United Kingdom: The Bill bywhich Martial
Law was proclaimed, certainly gave to the military
a discretionary power of punishment. 'lf, there-
fore, the Honourable Baronet meant by tor-
ture, the infliction (in the administration of Mar-
Ttial Law) of corporallannishineut on any
dual—that was, the infliction.of the same punish-
ment that existed in the LoCal Militia, and in tile
army at large—he might be justified in the asser-
tion. Certainly, during the continuance of mar-
. tiallaWe the General Officers in Ireland. inflicted

on the rebelithe same punishment for their of-
. fences as they would have inflicted on their own
soldiers. But as to extorting evidence by tor.=
tuhe, no euch act had taken place under the sanc-
tion of Government. He did not say that no
such act had occurred. In the midst of a rebel-
lion, during which the whole system of society
was deranged, be believed that such acts had oc-
curred ; but he solemnly denied that they oceur-
red under the sanction or with the knowledge of
Governirient. The Honourable Baronet bed ad-
verted etri a recent trial for iibel„ in which he
(LbrdC.) had been charged-with the legal murder
of one Orr, iii 1797, who having been tried, and
found guilty of the offence for- which he was
tried, bad been executed by the order of the
Lord Lieutenant, under the advice of the Judge
who -tried hith. On this ground he had beeu
charged with being a legal murderer. That the
occurrence. alluded to did actuelly h ,ppen. was
the fact ; but it was also a fact, -'tat it bappe led
seven months before be was in odice. s was
certainly. a pretty good alibi. Bat let it .ut be
supposed that he was net perfectly prepared to
share all the responsibility, of Lord Catialte:'s
vernjuent, and to consider it a
.te srsoaal -he err
that he bad served under that IN obleraae Lnat
Government. He had merely stated the circum-
stance which he had just narrated, to chew the
facility with which such stories were iuventrd and
narrated. The person tried for the libel to wh.ch
he had alluded, went, previously to his rece. ing
judgment, to Irehnd, for the express purpo e of
obtaining affidavits of the cruelty of the Irish Go-
vernment, and particularly of his (Lout Castle-
reagh's) individual cruelty. Oa his appear,nee
in Cohrt, the reading of those asEdavits was °lr.;
ejected to by the Judges. Two of then, however,‘
hadbeen previously read. The onerelated to 'A man
who, it was alleged, hhd been se to Beeany Bay
by an arbitrary act of his. Now it happened that
he had two letters, the one frarn Lord Bantry, the
other from a Captain of a Fencible Be isnent,
both of whom sat on a Court Martial in the Southern
District, in which this man was sentenced, under
the laws of that country at that time to transposrt-
atioh ; a sentehee which he (Lord C.) in the
due discharge of what be conceived to be his
duty, had ordered to be carried into effect. The
other affidavit charged him with having been pre-
sent at the corporal punishment -of a man, and.
with having, on that occasion, uttered expresa
sinus, of which he
.trusted that those who knew
him would believe him to be incapable. The.
fact was, that not only he had not witnessed that
punishment;_ but that he had never in his life,
by ,any accident; witnessed such a punishment.
So much for the accuracy of these affidavits.—
.Such accasations proceeded from those who,
when they failed in 'their plans of wicked-
ness, resorted to the practice of vilifying
the individuals to whose e'Kertione that failure
was attributable. He certainly never expected to
make his peace with that class of oersols. Their
hostility was the best testimony that he had per-
formed his duty conscientiously, and he hoeed he
might say, firmly and although he hewer d pect-
ed to experience -their approbation, ens indeed
wished to do so, knowing that it would be_ given
only if he did not deserve it, he trusted that he
Inc( lived long enough to convince those who
knew him best," that there were no feelings of
cruelty in his disposition ; but that in the con-
duct which he had pursued, amidst the diffi-:.ult
circumstances in which the disturbances in Ire-
land had placed the Government of that country,
he had been 'influenced. solely by a wish to protect
the unoffending, and to restore general tran-
quility.
A MEMBER, whose name we could not learn,
stated that it had come within his knowledge,
that the Sheriff of Tipperary had in the.market
place of a considerable town, picked out an ob-
noxious individual, anti without trying him by
any. Court-martial, had employed a drummer of
the regiment to which he (the floneurahle Mem-
ber be'ibngect, to punish that individual more se-
verely than he had ever known any man punished
:whO had even been tried by a Court Martial.
This happened before the Rebellion. During 'the
Rebellion he saw, not now and theh, but every
day, men tied hp and flogged, in order to make
them con'ess. He did not say that this was done
by order of Government ; all that he was aware
of was. the.simple fact. In many of these' cases
the persons punished confessed ; in others they did
not. He remembered
.one instance, in which a,
• man who had been first threatened was after Wards
hanged, and his comrade threatened, flogged,
and induced to confess.

Lore CASTLEREAGH,. in explanation, observed,
that what he had said was, that he did believe
such acts as those 'described by the hon. Gentle-
man had occurred, but that he denied that they
had occurred under the sanction and authority, or -
with the kr.owledge of the Irish Government.—
As to the High Sheriff of tl:e Coorlty of Tippem
r.ary,'two Pc tit n s had been against hint
for his ,conduct, on both of which he had been
convicted ; and, notwithstanding a subsequent Act
of Indemnity, had suffered the impsitiGn of
very heavy fines. .
The Eton' IVIEmzEa who had before spoken,
said, atrocities simi!ar to those which' he had de-
scribed as having taken place in Tipperary, had,
to his knowledge; occurred in Clonrnell long be-
fore the rebellion.

Lord CASTLEREAGIT repeated his positive denial
that such acts had received the auction of the Iri,h

Government.

Mr. TIC-HE bore testimony to the atrocities
which Imd been committed in Ireland, and partif
cularly in'the county of Tipper-kry,- the SneritY of
which, had nevertheless received subscoiently the
protection. of the /mil Goyernmcnt; awl had ob-
tained an act of indemnity. Anvertiog to the
I:ish Att authorizing Magistrates to .seirch for
ar.ts, he observed, that the one hundred thou-
sand arms which the Noble Lord deicribl-d, as if
they had all been nhiskets, were chiefly pikes, and.
most of them merely parade pikes. The Irish
Act had been. productive of most him carious con-
sequence's. With respect to torture in Ireland. :e
:certainly acquitted his Noble Friend of any
personal kqowledge of such transactions ; hu
they rieverthelesshad occurred, an; he instanced
several wit of many-cases of their ocetilTence,

, Lord CASTLEREAGIJ denied that the Bill of In-
! detanity, to which the lion. Geatletaan liatl U.

I,lded, was for the purpose of shielding the She-
riff of Tipperary. It had.bcen brought_into Par-
-I.l4mcpt by the late Lord li..ilwarden, and the hu-
mane Acct. 1-vas to compel juries in Ireland, when
they convicted persons tried before them for an
wrcise bf authority, to add- to their.ver-
dict,ef pay,. when it should be proved that that
ilieal act was nevertheless consonant to discreH
tiokt andyrioience, that such was the fact.

Member of that House, and of preventing him
froth expressing any opinion which he thight
think p:oper upon the statements of the Honour-
able Gentleman, or upon any other subject that
might co;--:e befarehini. lietrusted.tt the pre-
sent diScus&ion-Would contribute to cozY:nee the
House of the inestimable value of public trnn-
quility, and of the necessity of gunding -against
the..recurrenee of such scenes as had recently.taken
place in Ireland, and, at no very remote period,
even in this .country. If there was any fault in
the propo.cd measure, it was that it, did not go
far enough. He had studied the character of the
existing diSturbances very closely, and he was con-
vinced that whatever share the depressiom of ma-
nufactures and the scarcity of corn might have in
their origin, .there was '. at the. bottom of the,m a
spirit of disaffection and of discontent, a revOlu-
tionary principle which availed itself of the tem-
porary irritation of a certain deluded-and ignorant
people, in order to accomplish its own mischievous
objects.
Mr. -ThrroniNsow, in explanation, disclaimed
any disrespectful intention towards the Hon.
Gentle Man opposite, or the House ; but the Hon.
Gentleman hail thought proper not only positive-
ly to contradict one 'fact which he had.stated, but
to intimate that it,was probable his other facts
r.-ere equally unfounded.,
Mr. M.. FITZGERAD' denied, that his Hon.
Friend had contradicted the lion. Gentleman's
fact. His Hon. Friend had admitted, the. fact ;
but he had shewn that the Hon. Gentleman bad
omitted cireumstances on which the Whole cha-
racter of the transaction depended.
Mr, FULLER—". Sir, one word with respect to.
surgery; when we are told of dead bodies welter-
ing in their blood, Vhen'you know all circulation
is stopped, it is too ridiculous."
The -motion was then put and agreed to with-,
out a division.

-.1.qr._1-1-u,TcruNsox- reprobated the unnecessary
indiscretion of the Noble Lord, in making the
statements, which he had clone with respect to the
conduct of the Irish nnent, and declared
that:every- Irishman whoheard him would be dis-
.
gr.
ced if he did not contradict the. Noble Lord's
statements. For himself, he was prepared to give
them the most distinct and
,unqualified contradic-.
tion. He was to strengthen the arm of
the Executive Government for, the purpoSe of
preserving the peace of the country ; and he ad-
mitted that the proposed measure did not appear
to be one of /great severity ; but he deprecated
any disposition. on the part of the House and
the country to confide in the Noble -Lord.—
The Noble Lord had aserted that torture had
not been. sanctioned by the Irish Government. He
(Mr. H.) bad laid the mi4Ortune of being ill
Dublin during the greater part of the Rebellion of
17:;,1•-, and he had. there witnessed the 'greatest
aq-ociticssorn-mitted by persons '.of high rank and
low rank, commissioned by Government, and under
the :•ery eye of Government. When an armed
yeoman in ,Dublin, end on, guard. in the Four
Courts, he bad prevailed upon the Captain of the
Girard to turn out of -that *building a person of
rank, who wished flogging to be there in-
flicted on an individual from whom be was desir-
ous of extracting confession by torture. A ser-
vant of the Lgrd Mayor of Dublin, hyd been pu- •
nisbed on several successive days in the guard-house
of that city, and hip bleeding body exhibited to the
public. Dining the rebellion,- two persons who
bad suffered torture were dragged into .the lower
Castle-yard, and their dead bodies, weltering in
bliood, exhibited to all -oho were anxious to see
So horrid a spectacle. He should not have men-
tioned these circumstances, had it not been
for the Noble Lord's declaration of innocence--
Although most hostile to such practices, he bad
exerted himself to the utmost, ~and-had exposed
himself to much personal danger, in order to sup-
press the rebellion. He by no means accused
Lord'Camden of authorising the coinmission of
those atrocities which he had described. But it
w4s generally believed that Lord Camden left
Ireland in disgust, on finding that persons high
in, the Government permitted those atrocities to
be perpetrated. After a variety of similar obser-
vations, the 'Honourable Gentleman concltided by
declaring, that he should look with jealousy at
the proposed measure, and by advising as the best
means of tranquilizing the country, strict econo-
my in the public expenditure, and peace with
France, whenever that object could be obtained
with honour. , ,

-Lord CASTLEREAO immediately brought in the
Bill, which was read a first time, and ordered to
be read a second time on Monday, and (at the
suggestion of Mr. Whitbread) to be, printed. -
The Committee on the Framework Kittersll,
was..after some conversation revived, and the Re-
port ordered to be taken into further- considera •
tion on Monday next.
Mr. SIIiRIDAN postponed his intended motion
relative to the case of. Mr. St. John Mason, to
Ti'esday.

-
Lord CASTLEREAGH obtained leave, and brought
in a Bil, to alter some Acts, and repeal others on
the subject of -Religious Worship. He stated,
that no practical inconvenience wasielt
_Under the
-Toleration Act as it existed ; but some late deci-
sions having produced a doubt in the minds of
some, as to the...extent of its operation, the Bill
was intended to place the Dissenters on the same
practical footing as before.
After a few words from Mr. W. SNIIT}I, the Bill
was read a first time, and ordered to .be read a
second time on Monday.

ESCAPE OF FRENCH PRISONERS.
Lord CASTLEREAGA gave notice, that he would
move • on Monday, fOr leave to bring in a Bill,
to make the offence of aiding the escape of French
prisoners a felony.
The other Orders of- the Day were then dis-
posed of, and the House adjourned to 111unday.

Lord CASTLERgAGH. once more said, that he
had never denied• that torture had taken place,
but that all he had asserted x`Vas, that it did not
take place under the sanctio of the Irish GO-
vernment. The ilebellion threw the whole ciann-
try into confusion, and it was impossible that
the Government could be considered reponsible'
for all that happened in consequence.
Mr. W. SMITH did not think that the Irish
Government was sufficiently justified by 'the de-.
claration that the enormities alluded to did not
take place under their sanction. If he thought it
possible that t-he present measure should be fol-
lowed up by Martial Law, and Martial Law by
such-scenes as those which bad been exhibited in
Ireland, he vowed to God. that he did not. know
•apy state of things which would indtice him to
concur in the. first step of such a, ctiursc of
horror.

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• Mr. CROKER, remarked, that an Hon. Gentle-
man opposite (Mr. Hutchinson) had adduced a
number of . facts to prove the cruelties which •
existed in Ireland during the late rebellion.' Of
one of those facts he happened to have personal
knowledge, and the manner in which the Hon.
Gentleman had described it, induced him to sus7.
pea -that the other facts stated by the Hon. Gen-
tleman might be as incorrectly detailed. The
Honourable Gentleman had said, that the dead
bodies of two men wholad. been tortured were
exhibited in the Lower castle Yard weltering in
blood. It chanded thathe (Mr. C.) was on duty-as
a private volunteer at that place, at that time..
was certainly true that two dead bodies were so
exhibited ; but the Hon. Gentleman had omitted
to state that they were the bodies of two rebel
leaders who had been-actually killed in an action
with the King's troops, and being unknown,
were
.exhibited 'in order to . discover who they
were. If other .Honourable Gentlemen knew as
vach about the Honourable, Gentleman's • other
facti as be happened to kndw. about that indivi-
dual fact, the probability was that they woUIJ
appear to be, equally mis-stated.
MARTIN (of Galway) .admitted that ,many
horrid atrocities had been committed. in Ireland
during the, rebellion ; but ascribed their coati-
nuande to the conduct of the Parliament rather,
than to that of the Government of 'file country.
Feeling that some- measure was necessary, at the
present moment, to strengthen the hands of the
kagistraey, he should support the motion of the
Gble Lord. , _ ,

Mr.HUTCHINspy, adverting to what had fallen
from the Secretary of the Admiralty,. re-asSerted
the truth of all his former. allegations, and ob-
served, that the ficm. Gentleman bad better take.
ci:re how he ventured to contradict any of his
statements.-4A loud cry of Order !)
Mr. RYDgR commented on the inconsistency of
the Hon. Gentleman, who having begun his speech
with a direct contradiction of all that his Noble
Friend had said, nevertheless thought proper, when
corvected in one of his alleged facts bi bis Hon.
Friend behind him, to Assume a style and manner,
and to throw out a sort of threat or menace, of a.
nature wholly unjustifiable and unparliamentary.
What the Hon. Gent. 'proposed by ding this, he
knew not; but he was persuaded that it would not
have the effect of intimidating either his Hon.
Friend, or his Noble Friend, -or himself, or any

THE SIN.

ii9LEM QUIS DICLRE FAI.SCM AIiDEAT ?

• LONDON,
SATURDAY, JULY 11, 1812.

This morning an Anil°lt Mail arrived. It does
not, as we expected it would, bring an account of
the commencement of hostilities.—lndeed we
learn from good _authority, that no blow had
been struck in,the North, so late as the' 19th 'ult.
The following are the only articles in the Mail,
which are worth extracting :
GOTTENBURGH, JUNE 30 —Letters from Pe-
tersburg and Wilna continue to state, that hos-
tilities were daily expected to take place on the
banks of the Niemen. His Royal Highness the
'CROWN PRINCE has signified his, intention of
being here between the 12th and 13th July, for
the purpose of paying his respects to the British
Admiral.

BERLIN, JUNE 20.—0 n the 14th inst. his Ma-
jesty .the Emperor NAPOLEON revi;vved on tire
plain of Friedland the part of the army assembled
upon that point.
The .Duke of BASSANO has received ay present
from our King ten of the finest horses in his
stables.

Our-Gazette says, that all comnranicStion
be-
tween the Grand Duchy of Warsaw'and Russia
has -been prohibited.
Just 10.—Lately several large trans-
,-
ports -of horses have left this place for the army
of observation in Galacia. Several young Phy-
sicians and Surgeons have also been enrolled, and
sent to this army.

LA. CAOTAT, JuNL 2.—Yesterday at 2 o'clock
in the morning, 15_ of the enemy's ships, two fri-
gates, and 3 corvettes, which were cruizing before
Crotat, put out sixty boats filled with troops,
and steered. towards this port ; a lively and well
supported fire from' the batteries forced them to
retire, and the boats regained their vessels. .

At break of day, it was observed they were
still at sea, and that the squadron directed their
Course upon Isle Vert, situated about 1000 toises
from Crotat. About 7 in the morning, nine
ships, two frigates, and two corvettes, were in
shcirt cannon shot . distance of it, and Opened.
their fire -upon the island, 'b.:tteries, and fort,
in order to protect the disenrharkation„.
Scarcely had the enemy landed when -they were
attacked by detachments of the marine artillery,-
and the Ist regiment of the line. The affair was
but of short durations on the first shock they re-
tired under the fire of the suadron,- and onlyite-
mained a sufficient timeon shore to carry off their
killed and wounded, who left the shore iz-,ldated
with blood. The Lieutenant of Artillery, Guy,
who commanded that force, received two shots
at the momenthe.was.advanch)g upon the enemy
with' the bayonet. Three soldiers of the Ist Re-
giment have also been wounded, but not mortally.
We can only form an idea of the num-
ber Of, English who disembarked, by the
sixty boats that conveyed them. Lieutenant
CILIMPEAUX, Commander of the corvette Victo-
rieux, who was at Crotat,' had provided for the
embarkation of 800 men from the garrisOn, and
directed them towards Vert Isle; but the defeat
of the enemy was so prompt, that they could not
arrive till after the., affair. • . .

Letters from Riga Lre said to confirm the ac-
counts of the restoratior, of peace between Russia
and the Porte.

An account has been received that the following,
ships were to.sail fromAladeiia on the evening of
the 12t.h. June last,-viz.

Thomas Grenville, Princess Charlotte of Wales, Broxburne-
bury, Lord Duncan, Sir Godfrey Webster, Diana, and Ju-
liana ; also of the arrival at Madeira, on the 19th June, of
the ships Fairlie, Alexander, and Apollo. • -

The Report of the Secret Committee was yes-
tehlay taken into consideration in the House of
Commons, and Lord CASTLEREAGII stated the
measures which in his opinion it would be neces-
sary to adopt to meet - the ' exjgency of the case,
lit will be seen that Ministers have been most
anxious not to make any greater alteration in the
existing laws than was absolutely necessary ; in-
deed,. in the opinion of 'W. CANNING and Mr.
WILBERFORCE, the measures proposod are hardly
sufficiently strong. :;The Bill Which Lord CAS-
TLEREAGII brought in.is limited in its operation
to the disturbed, districts, and, in point ..-of
duration, to' the next Session of Parliament..
The Magistrates of thuse districts are to have the
power of searching for stolen or secreted arms,
without having first a deposition made hi respect
to the concealment, as at present required by law.
They are likewise to'have the power of calling
on the inhabitants to give up their-arms, receipts
being at the same time given, in order to the safe cus-
tody of the same; and of immediately dispersing any
tuinultuary body, without allowing them an hour,
as at present, to disperse; after the Riot Act has
been read. Those who do not immediately dis-
perse, when so required, are to be liable to pu-
nishraent for a misdemeanour, and the Magistrates
are to have not only the power of dispersion, but
also that Of arrest, and to hold the offenders to
bail, in order that they may be brought to trial at
Quarter S,essions. - Finally, the Ma.gistrates of
the disturbed counties ,are to have jurisdiction
over the adjacent districts, in order that offenders
may not defeat the ends of justice• by passing
with impunity over thA borders of the county
in which their offences have been committed.

stria.

• „ (Signed)
" Gumbinnen, Ala 21."

• WINDSOR, JULY 10.—The KINGOSC and
ordered his own dinner yesterday, and partook of
it very heartily soon after one: lie.is navin the
same state as previous to his.late attack.

The PRINCE REGENT will hold a Leeve on
Friday next.

The Duke of YORK held a Military Levee yes-
terday at his Office in the Iliirse-Guards.
Thursday the PRINCE REGENT took an airing
on horseback in the Parks. - .

Yesterday the LORD MAYOR
,gave a grand
Turtle Feast, at Kew, to the ➢ukes of CUMBER-
LAND, SUSSEX, CAMBRIDGE, GLOUCESTER, and a
large party of persons of distinction.

Accounts have been received froni the Downs,
detailingtheparticularS of a gall4nt attempt of Capt.
.LENNocK, in the Raven sloop, off the Scheldt', to
destroy.the ,enemy's flotilla,. consisting 'of 14 sail,
when practising hi the 3d inst. close in their. own
port. He succeeded in cutting off 7, three of which
he totally destroyed, the other' sought protection
under a battery. - The enemy's naval force, now
ready for sea in the Scheldt; consists of eighteen
sail of the line and five frigates.-
In consequence of what the LoRD'eHANCELLOR-
said yesterday, in the House of Lords, On the sub-
ject of PALMER's claims, it may be supposed
that the clause-to .vhich his Lordship objected,
implied, that Mr. PAr..ma was to receive the ar-
rears with Out deduction of the Property ,Tax.—
This, we understand, not the case, but that the
wards Were usual, and such
,as Were adopted in the
case of -Lord NELSON'S, Lord WELLINGTON, and
all grants of a similar nature.

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REPORT
OF THE MINISTER FOR FOREIGN AFFAIRS TO Trf•
'EMPEROR, &C.

Sfan—The Treaty between France and Pais3ia was a treaty
ofatfensive. Afliance,against England. It was on yo'ir
re
turn from the conference:3 on the Niemen, in which the 1:173"
peror Alexander said to yo!ir Majesty, that he Would, be
neconS against England, that you determined to sacrifice the
advanta..ges victory had given you, and to repass rapidly frog
ti's cute War to the state of Alliance with ItusNia. Cl-i 5 •
which augmenttd for France the means of W 3:
against Engldnd, ought also to have secured the Peace of the
Continent. In- 180 C,, however, Austria made war upon France;
Russia, in contradictiMi to the precise text of treaties, afford-
edao aid to your Majesty: Instead of the 150,003 then which
might have been put in motion, and which ought to have sur
ported the French army, only fifteen thOusand. were hrou6lit .
into the field, and by the time they crossed the Itu.s3ian fra"
'tier, the fate'of the war was decided. your

4, After this epoch, Sire, the Ukase of the-Oth December,
18:0, which destreyed our commercial relations with Russia;
the admission of English commerce iato her purts4 her 0.0,7
ing, which, from the conimentemerit 4f 1811, threatened th
iii anion of the Duchy of Warsaw; fmatly,the'protest respect`
ing Oldenburgh, annihilated the alliance. f Ets,n4 longer c%-
isted when, on both sides, 'armies w're formed for reciprocal
observation.

"The whole of the year 1811 was, however, spent in con-
ferences and negotiations with Russia, in the hope of with-
drawing, if possible, the Cabinet of St. Petersburgh from the
war, upon Which it appeared to be resolved, and to obtain a
knowledge of its real intentions. It is proved to the certainty
of evidence, that that Power proposed at the same time to de-
part from the Treaty of Tilsit; to place herself in peace with
England, and to, menace the existence of the. Duchy of War-
saw, making use of the pretext of indemnities claimed for the
Duke of Colderiburgh. • •

"Your Majesty, determined to maintain by arms the bc-
nour of treeies, the existence and integrity of the States of
your Allies, has felt the importance of uniting yourself trore
closely to a Powcr, to which you were already attached bt
words dear to your heart, and the general
orlitical interests of

which are the same as those of your Majesty; for this purpose
a Treat}, was concluded on the 14th of this month with Au'

" Every thing promises a long duration to this alliance ~it
assures repose to the South of Europe, and promises to k'raoc•l3
that she,shall, no longer be disturbed in her efforts for the
re-establishment of a maritime peace. •

" LE MC DE BASSANO.

By theNreaty with Austria, the latter is to fur-
nish 30,')O0meli to France. The iotegrity of
'Turkish-territorities in turope is gunonteed, ava
.
the principlcs.of the Treaty of Utrecht dn reccga
nixed.

•
OXFORD, JULY U.—The Rev. Ralph Ord, A.M.
Student of Christ Church, and Perpetual Curate of Hawke':
burst, Kent, is presented, by the Dean and Chapter of
Chpreh, to the living of Seouly, in WiltSliire, void by t:-;4
death of the Rev Citiles Parker ; the Rev. Edw,ird, Coyle'
stone, Fellow of. Oriel College, was lately installed a Pre"
bendary of St. Paul's Cathedral, Londun.
The Prizes annually given by Trinity College,
Cambridge, for the; best Latin Declamatiorls,
have been adjadged.a.S follows Erst, tog.',
Musgrave, jun. ; the second, to Mr. Sunmer.
'E li
For the best English Declamations :--The first".
to Mr. Kindcrsley ; the se(!ond, to Mr. Elliot
the third, to Mr. Inge.

„.., ,
• INTAilLiqoaovon-sTAEth.--A melancholy occur'
mice was stated at this Office-yesterday, narnelf*
the poisdning of four children by means of arsenie,
put into some medicine ; • one of the children is,
already dead, and two others are not expecte'
to survive. The parents of the children were o'4;
mined on suspicion ; they were both in tears, and
it was proved that they were very fOnd of their '
children: The arsenic was mixed by the mother'.
with some treacle, who thou&ht: it was crefilil
of tartar, .but neither of the. parents could tell
how the arsenic came into the house, the :AW
gistrate expressed his opinion that the cattoti
trophe was the effect of accident, but ordere,
an officer to- remain with the prisoArs at their
house in George-street, Norton-street, until tile
verdict of the Coroner's Inquest'should be know" 1”
BRISTOL ELECTION, TIIURSDAY.—DAVIS 311"..
HUNT 5.

BIRTH.
On Wednesday last, the Lady of Sir Edward Synge, Barti'
of a Son.

DIED.
On Tuesday last; Mrs. Wright, wife of John Wright, f1.,4;
of Ke;vedon-Hall, ,near Ongar, Essex, and douglitir of "-
late Sir John Lawson, Bart. ofßroug4-Hall, •Yorkshire. sf
On Wednesday last, after a long illness, Matilda, younge:t
daughter of Sir Edroand Bradock Harto?p, Bart. of Fo'
Oaks Hall, in the County of Warwick. '
On Thursday last, at her house in Gower-street, IA4-i
Blackmore, relict of the late Thomas Blachmore, Esq. "
Biggins Park, Herts.

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