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in so far. as AIMS consistent with his public duty,
,and what he owed to,his own. and to other eon's-
tries, endeavour. to 'prodtitte. frr looking to our
external relations, the Right Hort. Gent. had-first
brought before them-the most impottant state of.
affairs in the North of Europe ; he had, secondly,
directed their „-regards to the war on the Penin-
sula ; and, in the third and last place, had al-.
hided to that contest in which we were engaged
alone, and Which might therefare he considered-
as more :peculiarly- within our own province,
namely, -. the _war with. America—a war which
he WOUld O'er continue to think most unfortu-
nate and afflicting. endeavoming to folloiv
the Right tic-in. Gentleman- :.:over these grounds,
he would bek leave to-vary a little the order in
which he had considered the several. topics. He
"would take the war on the-Peninsula in the first
instance, arid this he might the more naturally do.;
since the Right Hon. Gentleman had:spoken of it
as the point iii 'Which they ought, by the ordinary
course of policy; to snake:their effort ,as'a diver-
sion in favour -of Russia, :since -it could, not be
-expected of this co.untry; that it was able, at one
and the same time, to make A proper- exertion in.
that qUarter, and nerve the aria Of Russia in the
NOrth-,' by furnishing her with men- or money:—
He beggeitto assure the Right Hon; Gentleman
and the Honsej. that Ministers,would not be-in-.
dined to_ rebut any censnre thatmight-be applied
to thein;tin the ground of relaxation in their ef-
forts to' carry on 'most Nigototisly -the war in Spain-
---There had been no 'retaxationion their parts---,1
»either bad they neglected any Means by which
Was possible -for thenr,- by -previous provisions; to
obtain-pos.sesBiow of., sr:greater ,disposable force;
They would not found their justification on any
grounds of postponernent, or inclination to delay
,•
exeeutiug that which -was- in their -power. Ile'
Also rejected,• in theirnaose.. the- -defence that
might be set- up for not .calling earlier on Par- ,
liament,to furnish, them with. more -extended

Means. The Ministers of the. Prineellegentivere
prepared to defend themselves ou the exercise

the Means they actually did posses.F., or Could pos-:
sess; and their having employed the resources en-
trusted to them to the Utmost,.without draining the
country beyond that pitch - whieh no nation could
sustain or suppOrt. Whatevel- mighi be the Right
Honourable Gentleman's opinion on this head,
.Ministers certainly could not look- on to make
these, unnatural attempts by Gentlemen -en the.
other. side ; -.by those ,who •had ever inculcated
upon their minds tine necessity there was tor hits
-binding our resources, and. -even. •on. the Penhi-
sula, keeping our exertions within bounds of the
-strictest moderation. It was ngt his intention
to throw. out any invidious reflection, and all he
wished to do at this tune was, -to lay in his claim

to the grounds on :which he .shOuld'be prepared
hereafter to combat any attachment of blame to his
Royal Highness's ' advisers on this subject. In-
deed, it was obviously impossible for Ministers
to .enter on an ample elucidation of the meastu es
respecting ,which doubts-might be thrown out, on
a night like the present, when all the numerous
points, of policy connected with the country were
th rown :open . for partial 'discussion, and their at-
tention was not-confined to a single object, though
many.of those alluded to were sufficiently intricate
and important to require of themselves their utr
Most diligence powers Of inquiry. lie
begged leave to caution the. House, againste,k-
ing; as it' was apt to be, led to expect too much
from successes, or •to despair at reverses, even
though. they might- be such as .placed 'the allied
-fortes in the lines fir:Torres Vedras. -It was neither
one disaster, or one vietorv,• that could decide
the'f4e.. of the Peninsula,' and it was a dangerous
feeling-to indulge,' whiellAvould be elevated be-
yond correct -views - even I.by such a yietory as
, for the thanks of , t4e
Rouse 3 Or he depressed .laeyond •oceasion by
e:-erfrfailiffe 'of complete success that might at=
tend our .exertions. When by the most consum-
mate Generalship, that vietors,, unparalleled in the,
iii Story of the -war, and as g;orious, as, ever
adorned theßritishname---When.tbatvictory Made
the enemy feel its eifects.to the utmost extremi-
ties of his, force, and I disloCated his armies 3 he—
cause• our illustrions and excellent Commander

had accomplished thiS,had-they any reason-what-
ever tip suppose that the entire French power on-
Ili'erPeninsttla, would be at: once.extinguished, and
• the Allies enabled to march to the Pyrennees The
public mind was apt to run into, &course too san-
guine,. and to believe any statement
.Which might
pretend that, the effect of a defeat like this would
he the total extinction of the enemy in Spain.. But
when the House reflected.that at the commencement
Of the campaign, the French force Oil the Penin-
`sula amounted „to 200,000 men, which rya's per-
' haps reduced by detachments sent to the North
to 150,000, at the period of-.the battle of Sa-
lamanca, they would be inclined to, take. a different
and:inure correct view of the Subject:. They would
Observe that such a, force, when- spread oVer the
face of Spaifi,:might rraintaiti the possession of the
country, by:keeping down the spirit_of its popula-
tion, which they were now unable to do when col-
lected into two great masses. After the:memo-
rable battle-of Salamanca,. they were rendered too
feebleto keep possession of 4ain, and hivtead of
driving, the British into the sea,they were, driven,
by the British. But When :they gaveupt pro-
"vinces and became a•concentrated army, any man
looking with a soldier's eye might be able ra see,.
that even after the battle of Salamanca, the Mar-
quis of Wellington had a heavy task to perform to
drive the French'froth Spain:, IThey might wor
ship the spirit of the people of this country,whos.
exultation 'on 'the triumphs of their gallant court-.
trymen ih Spain was.so great as to induce a sari—
guine feeling, not warranted by the actual state of
the case. But whatever expectations the people built
upon, as fa,r .as Lord Wellington with his knowi-
ledge and information went, his. prospects had
been largely and liberally accomplished. He
could assure them that Lord Wellington had
ceived supplies and reinforcements to a greater.
extent than ever. -In the course of last year,
20,0.00. Men had been sent to join him, and he
(1
.Ord C.) should be able to contend, that though
large reinforcements had not arrived since the
battle of Salamanca, this arose from the impossi-
bility of sending men sooner than had been done.

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The exertions of the GoVertrzlent, and ie Ddeco:
liar . iminnera of the Courmanderain-Chief (the
Duke of York),- •tca Iming regiments to such a
'state,: of wileiency .as ,takrender them fit .for-fn-
reign serviee, had been 'incessant and strew/ohs.
And• he had• to apprise the Right Hon.-Gentla-
mlin, that on the wisest principles the grants frorA
the Militia had• not- heeh earlier available ass-a re-.
•gular force„. till the month of May, and that nei-.
ther the internal state of the >conntry, nor of Ire-
land, would, at a former period, admit of thase
forces being spared which might now be united
to their gallant comrades in the glorious task
of delivering . the-Peninsula. He again repeated,
that the. greatest possible efforts had been niadc'
for an active; campaign ; and he trusted- what
he.had said on thist.point- -would be received as A
fair .and candid solution of the doubts thrown oat
by the Right Honourable Gentleman. Thus far
he had rather opened, the matters at. issue
tween the Right Honourable Gentleman and him-
self. He ,perfectly agreed with, him; 'that the'
aid_to Russia onght to,' be given in Spain ; and
he was also- re.adyato admit,- that as the .North
opeued_praspects of -greater " a_uccessa insomuch ,
oughttipy,to
..make more strenuous -efforts on..
the Peninsula. With respect-to. the ,ivar the.
North, the Right Honourable _Gentleman had laid
what was-necessary for him 'to advert to, into a
narrower compass, as heahad•not Made any chargs
in so far-as Russia: was concerned. He and all_
the_ world must ,feel, .and none felt. k 'More than"
the illustrious person at the-he *'of that vast Lan.-;
Aire,,-who was so Likely to auleliorkite the destinies
of= the wOrld, that it was.not to_ be expected from
this Country ,to make larger: sacrifices; or its other •
quarters, than._ those in which' she was engaged,
That great Monarch dida,not call .on 'for De-
cuniary .support. He said, `-` you are fightingfry
causeand thecauseof theworld in Spain; and there. :
it is that your efforts will lie most available and
aaajoua.ca. His Impeaial Majesty felt this bs
the-EbTnilitiitrapoliey, in the common cause, and. in--.
Steatt€6fitdok4ng, to -us for aid, he has looked taa
a ffff.ittreiLcatid nobler source--be has looked to
thel4ericitilfina the liberality, the unbounded
beralitlVilie spirit and the loyaltylof his peopie„.-
to uphold him in the great atreggle for inde-
pendence in which he is. engaged, -raid to us ha
has looked for the effectual carrying on the Cam,
test in Spain. Of Sweden; to which the Right
Hon. Gentleman has alluded, it is more. difficult
to speak. Without divulgiug any of those .secrets
'which belong to the Cabinet of this tax oF. other'.
,countries, he might state that SWeden as well as
Russia had received injury from France, and.both
.hact felt it. Russia bad Wien the field to
the aggressions., her- adversary; and -therefore
there could be-no iMpropriety Of speakingg-opena
ly
,of her measures ; but as Sweden. had not
taken 3.-§tO so decided, he hoped. the llanse
woelCLane
hea o6;;opinion that he had a dutv• twete77
niana-441entlered• it vei-y..diffic,ait foi•
to make ati;ys_tery open statemt -. enon this point.—
Yet witAl4ifittt eaceedinga-discretion, he might aaa,
that if fhe exertions of Sweden, necessarily i., t::ar;
'• than those of. Russia, had reqUired thespeaata,ary
aid of this country, to cause a diversion in the I
of the French armies, Ministers would haee :been
ready to have assisted her operations to that'-ex-
tent. , He declined entering further into. ahis
matter at present. France: hadacomuniteclaamt
unqualified aggression
"on the -Swedish MOD itch :
which had as yet been. only nit lay.a aoiaaavhat
qualifted resistance. Whit were the mativea-far
..collecting the force upon her coasts, ,it woal4
not, be expected for him to explain ; hat it a.,-taild
be seen with a feelina• of hope and exeltatiOu„ .
that between- these great. Northern rowers.,
for they were : both great, caat of their-
contention, which' had " led to, the eis:aelh-
bcymeut of the province-of Finland troll",
of that -contention a .sy.Stetn had
ariaeu; wiiieh happily • had not prevented their
being inked-, together in bonds of the c‘icise t
g.nd But those who were not a-
tisfiedrwith this demoastnttion_of friendship, must
have every apprefieusioo relieved bv: the peraotaal
interview at Abo, atter which, SOJO men from the
port of Sa"yinbargh were dispatched to Rign„where
they arrived in tine to join General Wiatgen-
stein atthe critical period which enabled him to
turn the scale of the war in that qnarter, and de-
feat the object althe enemy's right wing. Heanight •
..also be permitted to say, that if there had -not been
any actual military exertion-on the part. of Sweden,
yet that much benefit had been; reaped froth the
posture. which she ussumed. He called upon- Par-
liament to take sober views of these questions. Ho-
w. ever much we alight wish other Powers. to enter.inte
_resistance against the enemy with as great energy
aai;efeh'selvas, when we consider that not pos-
seillfilgothe advantages of_our insular _situation,
theyrWere'nOt so safe and remote from danger as
*ve oier'ev-we ought to look with,forbearance -to
their,tneasiires, and not run them down, or impute
Want of virtuous feeling to them, because they
Might -not embark in hostilities with the avidity
wedesired.

[We' regret that, for want of room, we are under tha ne-
cessity of ()nutting the.remanider of the Debate.] •

..•:• . • .. -
Mr. Wit vrta.EAD, after a long- speech,' in which he censured
the ..truditet Of; Miniiters, eontiuded with moving an 'Aineln d-
ment, the.principal object of which was to; recommend Whit
, Ptincc ltegt!fn. to COMM ence overtures for Peace: ..
Mr. BA'Flitlit3T fel)lied to Mr. WHlTlntii.ll:!..
:Mr., PoNiONBY • disapproved.of Mr. Wn!'ettar.AVs Amend-
meut
.on the subject of Peace. . _
After a few words from Mr. VERNON and Mr. .1,•44,icr, tii
'Address was voted Without a division.

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