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from Cour the things which were Cmsar'e.—( Hear, I
hear, acd loud cheers.) But with respect to the general
conduct of the Roman Catholic clergy in Ireland, and to
the iefluence which they exercised over their flacks, with-
out moaning to flatter the Irish people, and without mea--
ing to say that the people of this country did not possess
advantages over them in many pointe, he would say that
he did believe that the male portion of that people ex-
hibited more sobriety—( Cheers)—the female portion more
chastity—(Cheers)—and both mete patience under in-
tense suffering than could be said of either of the sister
counties.—( Loud cheers,.) He said thus much, (lie iectly
guarding himself against the inference that the conduct
which h was about to adopt on this occasion alsould be
considered as hereafter precluding him from the tight of
voting in favour of the paltry grant of 8,000/., which was
all that the State granted towards; the support of the re-
ligion of the great majority of the people of Ire-
land.—(Loud cheers ) Seeing that they were told
every day, both in and out cf the House, that
the Honourable Gentlemen who occupied the benches
opposite were ready, nay, that they professed the r-
selves ready, to assume. the reigns of power, and that thee
represented that those reins were likely to fal within their
grasp ia a short time—(Cheers)—he thought it de,ir-
able that the country and the people of Ireland—( Loud
cheers)—should see before them fully explei:•ed and de-
veloped—( Continued chetrirg)—the 'wens and policy
which they were prepared t adopt, respecting the Go-
vernment of Ireland.—( Loud and continued cheerier.)
He should, therefore, offer no objection to the present
motion }sins. It—( Loud cheers)—and he Legged the
House to allow the Hon. Gentleman the opportunity of
bringing forward all he had to urge against the institution.
—( Loud el eerv.)
Sir ROBERT INGLIS said that although the Noble
Lord had not, in distinct words, rneationed the University
of Oxford, vet he had alluded to it in so significant a mer-
rier that he felt himself called upon to pre trot that venerable
body against the misrepresents ions of the Noble Lord. The
publ :ations to which the Noble Lord hsd alluded were
not delibercte acts of the University. They were not
established as test books by the University of Oxford, and
the Noble Lord hid quoted them from tt e works of an
psonent.—( Hear, bear.) The University of Oaf ed
was no more answerable for the works published is Ox-
ford, than the City of London was for every work pub-
lished in London. It was childish, therefore, to contend
that the University of Oxford was responsible for every
work published in that city. There was this great differ-
ence Letweon the cases—these books bad never brew made
class-books. Did the Noble Lord mean to say that any
person had ever teetered from them? Had they ever
been enforced ac doctrines upon classes of the young
men ? The Noble Lord had quoted them from the tepre-
sentations of their opponents.
Lord MORPETH had not quoted the publication as
expressing t'se sense of the University of Oxford, but as
expressing the sense of a great multitude of i.crsons with
regard to the doctrines promulga el in the Oxford Tracts.

Sir ROBERT INGLIS would not now discuss those
points.—(" Hear, heir," from Mr. O'Connell.) He
agreed with tie lion. and Learned Gentleman that that
House was not a proper arena for theological discussions.
Cheers.) There were some points with which he
differed with his Hon. Friend the Member for Kilmar-
nock. He Lai alaa,s opposed the grant to Nfajnooth,
because. believing as he did that the doctrines of the
Roman Catholic r digion were founded in error, he could
never conscientiously vote for the appropriation of money
for the teaching of that doctrine which he believed to be
erroneous. As there was no opposition to the motion,
and as whatever speeches might now be spoken would h.
all probability he spoken over again, ho would not detain
the House any longer, but support the motion of his Hon.
Friend.

Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL would not allude to what
had been said respecting the doctrines of the Catholic
Church. Ths. Hon. Gentleman had ?teed that he
hai Leen hitherto withheld from voting against the
grant because it vies sanctioned by an Act of
Parliament, and en express compact entered into ehsn that
Act was passed, but he had no scruple in moving tor peal
the' Act and that compact. If such a proposition lied
beeen brought f mrward by a Member of his (Mr. M. J.
O'Connell's) religious eemmunion, he couli not help
thinking it would have been denominated jesuitical.
(Cheers and laughter.) But Her. Members on the other
side seem to possess peculiar privileges in that respect.—
(Cheers and laughter.) With respect to the grant itself,
he was perfectly indifferent, believing, if it was withdrawn,
that greater exerticns wculd be made by the Raman Ca-
thol'es to place the College on a respectable foseiesa.
(Cheers.) T 1 e principle of the Hon. Nlemter for the
University of Oxford was an intelligible one, but it might
have a twgfold application, and if it should be found in-
convenient in its application, they had nobody to thank tor
it but themselvea.—( Cheers.) This motion was brought
forward for the purpose of supporting the Mayncoth agi-
tation, which had rather been discontinued of late. The
agitation havirg been recently confined to the differences
between the Evangelicals and the Puseyites, and he would
not allude further to that subject, as he should be soiry to
throw any obstacle ia the way of one of those parties c
'n-
forming to the communion to which he belonged, to which
they seemed rapidly approaching.--(Cheers and laughter.)
The Hon. Member hal quoted Inglis's Travels in me'ation
to Maynooth Cellege. and had attempted to excite a pre-
judice against the Roman Catholic clergy, and uufwtu-
natelytherewere many reedy to believe any story, however im-
probable, provided it was circulated of the Roman Catholics.
Ile did not think this feeling was confined to the unedu-
cated and the vulgar, there was a publication which was
comi Icred the organ of the high Tory party, he alluded to
the Quarterly Review, which, in an article headed Ito_
monism in Ireland," afforded an exam; le of that kind of
a; i it to which he had adverted, that of shadowing out a
spirit—giving nothing tangible to lay hold of, but doing
everything that could raise prejudices and excite schism.
The Hon. Member then proceeded to read several extracts
from the Quarterly Review, and proceeded—Such state-
ments disgusted all rational and thinking men. He hoped
they would see the Bill of the Hon. Member for Kilmar-
nock shortly, as he hoped the Hon. Member would lose
no time in bringing it in. As he had said before, he
thought the Bill was not so much an object with the Hon.
Member as the making of a speech.—( Laughter. ) The
Hon. Member in the opening of his sr each had talked
about avoiding asperities, now he (Mr. M. J. O'Connell)
would leave it to the House to say how far be had done so.
—(Cheers.) He trusted the House would not lightly
ease censure upon the Roman Catholic priesthood in Ire-
land ; time, howevee would be gi e hen the second reading
of the Bill for considering that subject. Tie Noble Lord
the Secretary f.:r Ireland had not overdrawn the influence
that that body of men had over their flocks, and he thought
they might challenge comparison for piety and devoion
with any body of men, whether connected with the S.ate
or not.— ( Cheers. )
Mr. CUMMING B°.UCE was disposed to agree with
the Hon. Member who hal just sat down, that many of
the Roman Catholic priests had performed their dut es in
a manner that could rot be questietel. As the Noble
Lord the Secretary for Ireland had stated that it was not
his inte Alen to oppose the introduction of the Bil', he
shoul I not occupy much of the tine of ti e House. He
thought tile speeches that had been made on the other side
had not answered in the slightest deerce the excellent
speech of his Friend who had introduce] tae subjeca The
Hon. Gentleman who had just sat down had expresse I a
hope thst the Bill would be introduced as soon as possible.
Now for his own pact he must say, after the postpone-
ment by the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies
the olmsr right of so important a mn, asure es the
Registration of Voter; (Ireland) Bill in consequence, an he
saici, of the pressure of other public business, he (Mi..
C. Bruce) thought his Friend was bound nut to introduce
his Bill till agar that most ii,pottaat period fixed upon
by tie Noble Lord, of the 24th of Apri). He trusted his
Friend would not be so uncourtentS as t h introduce it be-
fore that period.
Mr. LANGDALE wished to make a few observations
with reference to what had fallen from the Hon. Member
for Kilmarncek. That Hon. Member had repeatedly re-
ferred to time word allegiance, and from it he deduced that
the Roman Catholics were disloyal. Now, with reference
to that, he must be allowed to say that time Catholic held
a very different allegiance to his Sovereign from that which
he held to the head of his Church. They were as totally,
as entirely distinct as the two principles of spiritual and
temporal authority. He had repudiated over and over
again the doctrine that Catholics did not bold the same
allegiance to their Sovereign as was held by those who
were members of the Protestant Church. The
Honourable Gentleman said that the Catholics
denounced the Protestants as heretics and schis-
mat'cs. Now, he should like the Hoe. Gentle
njg
to state the difference between the Church of
and the Rcmi Ii Church in that respect? Did not tl.e
Church of England call those here ics and schienatics who
differed from them ? The Hon. Member for Oxford had
stated that he was a Churchman, and any doctrines incompa-
tible with that Church he felt bound to deprecate. The
Hen. Gentleman had said that there was strong anti-
Pre te_t metism in Ireland. He would ask that Hon. Gen-
tleman whether there was not a strong anti-Catholic ft.el-
ing iii Ireland. Waa there not a party there who, when
the claims of the Catholics were acceded to, kept eta that
feeling against them that existed in Ireland before? Then
it was said there was strong preaching in the pulpits in
Ireland. Was there, he would ask, any stronger language
used than that adopted by the itinerant preachers of the
Protestants in this country? He alluded to Me.
MnNeile and others who bad gone through all the
large towns of the kingdom, reising a cry against
the Catholics. If the spirit with which the Catholic
Emancipation Bill was brought in by those great men
who had introduced it, had been acted upon in Ireland in
ti.e spirit in which it had been acted upon in England,
those prophecies that bad been made at the time the Bill
was brought in, that it would turn out a failure, would
revtr have been accomplished, fer it would then have
, Gentleman would never hive had occasion to bring been
for-
ward an entire settlement of the question, and the Hon.
motionT ().Nf theai descriptiond
thatf eheh believeda
Hear, hoer.
called
hotr.the t h atten-
tioneßo Roman
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Catholic
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toa htaatungihgthtby_ greatb
portiMr.
on of the
priesthood of Ireland,
been descrit ed, he fur one of
the nature which had just
would
success of the motion before the
eniot be anxious for the
louse. He believed
that the Hon. Gentleman had sad
truly, for himself and
for a very large body of the R
country and Ireland, that they bad cpomanu dcatholics of this
oaths the doctrines which were rimputed,iateJ upon their
and which he
was obliged to say he continued to impute,
in the Coll •ge of Maynootb. But if the statements to
the ?near era
bad been made both in and out of the House for fie which
six successive years were not true, he was surprised thvatreer
spectable and conscientious Roman Catholics, who o-
pr
fassed to be the friends of that College, should not be the
first to challenge inquiry, and refute the charges which
had been brought forward. If the Hon. Gentleman would
fairly meet the charges, he (Mr. Litton) would be most
happy to assist him in the investigation. There were
none who were mere inteme ted in having this question
se tlt d than the respectable, loyal priesthood of Ireland;
none ought to fei half so much anxiety to grapple with
the subject, not by reading scraps of books, but by
b Idly and fairly testing the whole of the state-
met tg.—( Hear, bear.) Ho would not then
used at May. go at any
length into the contents of the class-books