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calved various statements from different quarters, being copies
of various reports which have been made public in the railway
papers of this House, and from those reports it appears that
while the Hon. Gentleman estimated so much for permanent
way, so much for land, and so much for the remainder, leaving
it to be inferred, and asking indeed in what that rest could be
employed except in labour, he seems entirely to have forgotton
that very large sums are expended in locomotive engines, and
very large sums also for the construction of stations,which stations
are in point of fact in a great part ornamental buildings. With
respect to the North Midland Railway, one of those lines to
which the Honourable Gentleman referred, I find there were
expended 190,0001. for locomotive engines, and 260,0001. for
the stations. Now, the Honourable Gentleman knows per-
fectly well, though those sums were expended in labour, that
it is not the kind of labour which can be performed by any
class of labourers, still less by the class of destitute labourers.
—( Hear, hear.) But with regard to the 27,0001. per mile
which that line cost, it will be found that, deducting those
two items for stations and locomotives, that sum will be re-
duced by 6,0001. per mile.—(Hear, hear.) Various state-
ments I have received all concur in one general result, that of
the whole of the sums expended in railways, about one-half
may be said to be for labour, but then that includes a vast deal
of skilled labour, so that on the whole but one-fourth, or 25
per cent, is devoted to ordinary purposes.—( Pear, hear.) Now
when the question is, as my Noble Friend has just been stating
it over and over again, how we are to save millions of Irish
people from starving, we are obliged to-go into the details, and
when we find that of the whole 16,000,0001. to be advanced,
only one-fourth of that sum goes to unskilled labour, I say this
is not a Bill which goes to the immediate relief of those starv-
ing people. Every one knows, who is at all acquainted with
Ireland— and this is a remarkable circumstance—that, with re-
spect to skilled labour, such as that of masons, bricklayers,
and carpenters, there is no such supply, certainly no super-
abundant supply of that labour in that country ; that that
labour, as compared with other descriptions of labour in Ireland,
remains dear—almost, if not quite, as dear as such labour in
this country, and that so far from their being in constant want
of employment, they are the very class amongst whom combi-
nations exist in order to obtain high wages from their em-
ployers.—( Hear, hear.) I heard an instance of this only a
very short time ago, in the town of Galway, where, amidst the
greatest distress, there happened to he two or three public
buildings progressing, and, consequently, when there was work
for masons, those masons were holding out for snore than
2s. 6d. a day. —(Cheers.) I say, then, if you are applying
these large sums for labour, that the word labour is a complete
delusion when applied in connexion with distress, because it
includes a great deal of skilled labour. I come, therefore, to
the conclusion on this general view, that the finances of the
country being severely pressed by the demand for the relief of
those who are famishing in Ireland, that the manufactures and
commerce of this country, that the wages of industry in this
country likewise, being severely tasked by the present state of
Ireland, and by the efforts which are being made by Parliament
and by Government to relieve That distress, unless this Bill is
one which goes immediately to the relief of destitution, it is
not one which this House should adopt.—(Hear, hear.) For
the short reasons which I have given—for reasons in which
I think the Honourable Member for Sunderland must
concur—for the reason that three-fourths of the sum pro-
posed to be advanced would not go to the relief of desti-
tution, I come to the conclusion that it would not be wise in
the present circumstances of the country to accede to this Bill.
lam not at this hour going to enter—as I might do, were it
earlier—into the question whether it is advisable for the Go-
vernment, under any circumstances, to make grants of money
for the promotion of railways. There are questions connected
with those matters which would make me differ from some of
the opinions that have been urged against the Bill of my Noble
Friend ; but at all events I think that any advances which are
made to railways should be made in a different state of the
country, and in accordance with those principles on which
Governments generally proceed when they are making ad-
vances to public works.—(Hear, hear.) I am far from saying
that there are no great public works to which Government
might not under particular circumstances make grants of
public money. In the fens, as the Noble Lord knows, it has
been done with great advantage, and there are now great
publiv works in Ireland which have been undertaken under
various Governments, and which have been most useful in
their results, and certainly I should be most loth to say that
railways would not be most useful to Ireland ; but
I am only dealing with the proposititn before the House.
Now, with regard to my Noble Friend's speech, and to the
manner in which he has brought forward this Bill, I am far
from making any complaint of his bringing a measure before the
House which he conscientiously believes will be of great service
to Ireland, and which will tend to relieve the misery of that coun-
try; but the Noble Lord must at the same time sec that it was not
equally reasor able in him to expect that if the Ministers of
Queen did not take the same view that he did of the utility of
this measure, they should adopt a measure of which they dis-
approve. The Noble Lord might have brought it forward,
and have laid it on the table, as a measure to be taken or not
by the Government ; but he thought it so important, that the
Noble Lord the Member for Newark (Lord J. Manners) de-
clared his intention of proceeding with the measure, and of
eliciting the opinion of Parliament with regard to it. But it
is quite impossible for any Government to allow the finances of
the country to be taken oat of their hands to be placed under
the direction of the Noble Lord. Therefore, whilst I quite
concede that he had the best motive for bringing forward this
measure—and though I think he was quite right in saying that
if he carries such a measure he would himself be responsible
for carrying it into execution—though I think he showed great
spirit in expressing that determination—(A laugh)—yet, on:the
other hand, I must say, feeling myself responsible for the con-
duct of affairs in this very important crisis, all I can do is to
bring forward those measures which I in my heart believe will
tend most to the relief of destitution in Ireland, and to ask
Parliament to consent to those measures.—(Cheers.) If I
am supported by Parliament I shall then feel courage to go on
and to brave all the difficulties with which I am encompassed,
but I do hold it would be most injurious to this country to have
at this moment any Minister at the head of affairs who may be
baffled in any effort he may make, whose opinions are not in
accordance with the ruling opinions of the Members of the
House of Commons, and whose position is still further embar-
rassed by having to carry out measures of which he does not
approve.—(Cheers.) I must repeat, therefore, that I do not
think I was taking any other than a constitutional course when
I intimated to those who I believed were disposed to support
the Government that, with respect to the management of the
finances of this country in this great crisis, we must have the
majority of the House of Commons with us, or we shall not be
competent to conduct the Government of this country.—
(Cheers.) I think the Noble Lord has had nothing to com-
plain of. With his convictions I think he was perfectly right
in bringing forward this measure, and in his readiness to carry
,it out if Parliament should consent to it. It is now for the
House of Commons to decide whether this measure is that
which he has described it to be—the sole measure which is
essential for the benefit of Ireland, or whether, on the con-
trary, the course which we are pursuing is the best calcu-
lated to promote the welfare of that country, and of the
whole empire. (The Noble Lord resumed his seat amidst
loud cheering.)
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK rose to explain a sentence he
had used in reference to a ship which had been built on the
plan suggested by the Hon. and Gallant Member for Maryle-
bone. It was said of a ship when she rolled in the trough of
the sea, that she rolled like a drunken man, and his allusion
was to that phrase. He was not aware that such an allusion
could have the slightest reference to the Hon. and Gallant
Gentleman, and nothing could be further from his intention
than to apply it to him.—(Hear.)

For several minutes the House was in a state of great excitement,
during which the cries for division were loud, frequent, and vehe-

The House then dhided, when there appeared—
For the second reading llB
Against it 332
Majority against the Bill ----214

The Bill Is consequently lost.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the House
adjourned at Half-past Three o'clock.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.
(RECEIVED THIS DAY.)
BETTING AT MANCHESTER.—TUESDAY.
LIVERPOOL STEEPLE CiLasE.-8 to 1 agst Brunette, 12 to
1 agst The Roarer (100 to 8 taken)-13 to 1 agst St. Leger--
16 to 1 agst Avoca.
CHESTER Cur.-22 to 1 agst Medicant (taken freely)-
25 to 1 agt The Lamb (offered)-35 to 1 agst Mickey Free
(taken)-50 to 1 agst Emigrant (offered)-1,000 to 20 agst
Princess Alice (taken)-1,000 to 18 agst Intrepid (offers to
take)-1,000 to 15 agst Inheritress (taken)-1,000 to 15
agst The Conjuror (offers to take). None others named.
METROPOLITAN HANDICAP.-14 to 1 agst Lady Sarah
(offered).
DERBT.-15 to 2 agst Van Tromp (offered)-11 to 1 agst
Epirote ~(offers to take)-13 to 1 agst Planet (offered)-23
to 1 agst Glentilt (offered)-250 to 10 agst Conyngham
(taken)-500 to 5 agst Bedlam (offered): Nothing else
named.
OAKS.—S to 1 offered on the field.
BRIXWORTH STEEPLE CHASE.—ThESDA.Y.
Handicap of 10 sous. each.
Mr. Elmore's Grey Frieze, lOst 10Ib (Butler) 1
Lord Strathmore's Walter Gay, lOst 12Ib 2
Mr. Wesley's Gayhurst, lOst 41b
Seven others started. Won by about two lengths, Gay-
hurst beaten about the same distance.
HUNTING APPOINTMENT.
Her Majesty's stag hounds meet on Friday at Maidenhead
Thicket, at half-past eleven.

MRS. GORE'S NEW TALE, " TEMPTATION AND
ATONEMENT.". -The simple and affecting pages of this work
seem to have made an unusual sensation, and the favour
with which they have been received will, it is to be hoped,
prove the means of encouraging this popular novelist to
another such divergence from her usual course. A story of
powerful interest, simply told, is decidedl7 the only thing
likely at the present day to rivet the attention of the public.
We do not say that Mrs. Gore can write like Defoe or
Godwin, but to remind the reader of them is to achieve no
small degree of fame.
ROBBERY OF 10,000/.-Notwithstanding the ex-
posé at the Mansion-house on Saturday concerning the doings
of the swell mob in the City, and the caution:the Lord Mayor
threw out, a robbery of no less a sum than 10,000/., in Bank
servicei nadthb ee •
ofv vicinity nit letacyht
non:,
Paul,t he Reaon:daulßr
BEttxe
hbankers,ane
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of England
.. notes,. was yesterday, about one o'clock, effected
o called
n clerkgt h
aet
Strand,siel:tyerthae
of the City banks, and the last place her called at was
Deacon's bank, in Birchin-lane. On leaving he carelessly
deposited his leather case, containing the above amount in
notes, in his coat-pocket, without a chain or any security
being attached to it. It was raining at the time, and, during
the confusion that existed in that crowded neighbourhood,
some of the expert swell mob gentry managed to extract the
case and get clear off. On the clerk discovering his loss he
instantly repaired to the Mansion-house, and gave informa-
tion to the Forresters, who in a short time succeeded in ob-
taining an accurate list of the notes and their numbers. Thev
are as follows :-1,0001., dated June 13, 1846, No. 08,670;
1,000/, No. 68,787 ; 1,0001., No. 68,850 ; 1,0001., No. 70,652;
1,000/., No. 70,665 ; 1.000/., No. 70,666 ; 5001., dated March
12, 1846, No. 51,339-; 5001., same date, No. 52,276; 3001.,
May 11, 1846, No. 57,107 ; 200/., March 10, 1846, No. 38,362 ;
206/., same date, No. 39,888; 200/., same date, No. 40,488;
100/., May 9, 1846, No. 84,172 ; 501., Oct. 8, 1846, No. 40,152;
50/., same date. No. 43,560; 201., Oct. 5, 1846, No. 83,274;
201., No. 83,275; 51., Dec. 2, 1816, No. 35,910; 51, Jan. 13,
1847, No. 59,650; and 51., No. 94,426. There can be doubt
the clerk was watched from place to place. Late last night
Messrs. Bush and Mullens, the solicitors for the Association
of Bankers, forwarded by the mails a list of the notes, not
only to every town throughout England, but also to the
Continent. A reward of 500/. is diked for the restitution of
the notes.

WINDSOR, TUESDAY EVENING.—The Countess
Dowager Lyttelton, who, ever since the Court removed to
Buckingham Palace, has been confined with an attack of
influenza, is now fast recovering, and her Ladyship is so
much better since the change which has taken place in the
weather within the last day or two, that she will probably
be able to resume her duties at Buckingham Palace before
the end of the present week.
The Earl of Auckland and the Hon. Misses Eden
received at dinner on Sa, urday evening, Vice-Admiral Sir
Charles Adam, Colonel Oldtield, and a distinguished circle.
The Chairman of the Excise had an interview with the
Earl of Clarendon yesterday, at the office of the Board of
Trade.