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defined. What Measures had been Brought forward by Hon
Gentlemen opposite showing their sympathy with the wants of
the people, and their desire to extend popular rights ?—( Hear,
hear.) With one single exception they had brought for-
ward no measure embodying their principles.—( Hear, hear.)
That exception was the Bill of the Noble Lord opposite with
regard to Ireland—that Bill upon which the Right 'Hon.
Baronet who opened that debate was so ominously silent, exer-
cising that prudence which characterised him, and confessing,
though silently, the difficulty which he felt with respect to
it.—(Cheers.) The Right lion. Baronet was associated
with men of less prudence and less reserve than himself. He
(Sir G. Grey) thought that was a measure which was at least
not likely to transfer to him the confidence of the people of
Ireland. The caution of the Right Hon. Baronet on that
subject had been but little imitated by those who followed
him.—(Hear, hear.) Even his Hon. and Learned Friend
could not abstain from drawing a distinction between the con-
fidence which was given to the Government by English and
Irish Members.—( Hear, hear, hear, from the Liberal benches. )
He had endeasioured, indeed, to retract what he had stated.—
(Hear, hear.) He had on his mind no doubt those analyses
and divisions which they saw frequently in the newspapers,
which hled up the people of Ireland as the dust in the balance,
and were meant to deprive the Reform Act of its vitality.
His Hon. Friend had alluded to the Poor-law Bill, and stated
that as there was to be no discussion upon that, he did not see
why there should be a discussion upon the Corn-law.—(Hear,
hear.) He (Sir G. Grey) could not but regret the spirit in
which the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Pembroke had
introduced the subject of the Poor-law Bill. The Right Hon.
Baronet the Member for Tamworth had carefully avoided in-
troducing the subject, and it was reserved for the Hon. Baronet
the Member for Pembroke, one of the authors of the Bill, to
pursue a course the object of which was to throw obloquy on
those with whom he was formerly associated.—( Hear, hear.)
Now, what was the real fact with respect to the Poor-law and
the Corn-law question ? The Poor-law had been dis-
cussed over and over again, and there was no intention
on the part of the Government to postpone the renewal of the
Bill until it should expire. His Hon. Friend must know that
while a discussion on the Corn-laws might occupy three or four
nights, a discussion on the Poor-laws would take up weeks, and
would therefore postpone that dissolution which the other side
of the House seemed so anxious about.—(Hear.) Upon the
subject of the Corn-laws, and also upon the subject of the tire,
ber duties, they on that side of the House were at a ion to
know what the opinions of the Right Hon. Baronet were. He
had stated, it was true, that an alteration of the duties was re-
quired, but he had not stated what the alteration was which
he was desirous should take place. Now he (Sir G.
Grey) thought that when an attempt was made to
displace the present Government, in order to give room
for that of the Right Hon. Baronet. the House ought to know
what his real opinions were upon three such important subjects.
The House ought to know whether the principles of the pre-
sent Ministers or those professed by the Right Hon. Baronet
were most in accordance with its own. It was not a question
of the Civil List that had caused the Right Hon. Baronet to
retire from power. He had done so because he had never pos-
sessed the confidence of the House or the country. The
flight Hon. Baronet had either opposed all the popular mea-
sures brought forward by the present Government, or, in lend-
ing his aid to them, he had so reduced their effect as to take the
,shole of their popular character from them, If the Right
Hon. Baronet were to succeed in the present mo-
tion the House would declare that monopoly should
still exist, and that there should still be restrictions upon trade,
and that the deficiencies in the revenue should be made up by
fresh taxes being placed upon the people. It was true, that if
the present motion were carried, it might be followed up by an
address to the Crown to remove the present Ministers without
a discussion on the Corn-laws or an appeal to the people. But
he would caution Hon. Members opposite and the House to
-pause ere they adopted such a step—a step which was calcu-
lated, as he thought, to compromise the dignity of the House,
and to inflict a great injustice upon the people of this country.
Mr. HANDLEY rose to move the adjournment of the de-
bate, but was met with loud cries of " Go on." He had no
wish but to defer to whatever was the feeling of the House.—
( Hear, hear.) If they were disposed to indulge him for a
short time he should proceed. It was obvious to every Hon.
Member that from the pGsition in which he was placed he could
not allow the debate to close without requesting the indulgence
of the House for a short period. He was the more induced to
do so as in the speech with which the Right Hon, Baronet the
Member for Pembroke closed the debate on Friday night, he
had addressed to the Noble Lord the Member for Lincolnshire
and himself (Mr. Handley) a lecture upon consistency—
( Hear, hear, and a laugh)—which, coming from such a sourer,
did evince a degree of modest aAurance of which he. seareo
thought him possessed.—( Cheers and laughter.) The Fight
Hon. Baronet was reported to have said, if lie hid not the plea-
sure to hear him, that both the Noble Lord and. himself had
said, so far as they were cesleerned, the Noble Lord
the Secretary for the Colonies could have an op-
portunity of bringing forward the Corn-laws as a
Government measure. Never having stated anything of
the kind, and believing he never had done so, he had carefully
e.samined the reports of his speeches, and the only thins;
which had at all a reference to the question, was when he had
corrected the mitrepresontations of a Morning Paper.—( Hear,
hear.) It could opt merely be upon words like these that the
Right Hon. Baronet had not scrupled to affix upon him the
intention to join in a vote of want of confidence against a
Government from which he had never differed except upon
the question of the sugar duties.—( Hear, hear.) Was it
upon grounds life these the Right Hon. Daeonet had cows_
selled him to a breach of the peake, and when found a
madman wielding a dangerous weapost he was to
Noble Friend the Secretary of the CoLoies, 'waylay his
Down-
ing-street and that House,. and on Friday l';et men
hands the Corn uhich he t wrest from his
the House ?—(Hoar, hear.) 1. •
intend:ed. to lay on the table of
as
called upon the " as it upon such grounds that
..eavy agriculturists of Lincolnshire,"
designated
as the RiLlit
_..dnourable Baronet himself, no zephyr,
chew.-
nis constituents, to reject him ?—( Loud
- and laughter.) But there was this manifest
distinction between his (Mr. Handley's) case and the Right
lion. Baronet, namely, that they would reject him for having
been true to his principles—(Luud cheers) while the
honest grey-coats of Cumberland kicked out the Right lion.
Baronet because he had proved false to his. —( Renewed cheer-
ing.) The Right Hon. Baronet had said, and said truly, that
the resolution of the Right lion. Baronet the Member for
Tamworth was founded, not upon the ease of a single defeat,
but upon a succession of defeats. Now, inasmuch as the sugar
duties was the only question on which they had sustained a
defeat, and in which he had not concurred, without going
back so far as the Approprsatfon Clause, the Right Honour-
able Baronet had vevy good reasons for not. ante-
dating his resolution, as it might have been very
inconvenient. to the Noble Lord the Member for North
Lancashire and the Right lion. Baronet the Member for
Pembroke.—(Loud cheers,) But hitherto Parliament had
not expressed an opinion ;Ton the corn or the timber duties,
and he was much more inclined to look upon the Right Hon.
Baronet as a warning rather than as an example; to adopt his
precepts rather than his practice ; and to follow his docti Lies
rather than his acts.—( Hear, hear.) He had, there-
fore, much satisfaction, as all might have who would
go through the labour of reading the Right Hon.
Baronet's speeches, in finding a precedent, an argument
and a reason for any opinion a man may choose to profess.
He had had the good fortune to find, in a speech made by the
Right Hon. Gentleman at Carlisle, on the 12th of January
18:35—( Sir James Graham here made an observation across
the table)—the Right Hon. Baronet wished to plead the
Statute of Limitations, but he held the speech in his hand,
evidently printed by an hostile hand; and when giving a rea-
son for not accepting the offer of the Right Hon. Baronet
the Member for Tamworth to join his Administration, he de-
signy,ted that Administration in the following language:—" The
cimposition of this Ministry is as bad as I can well imagine, for
it is entirely composed of men to whom, and to whose measures
I have been all my life opposed."—•( Loud cheering arid laugh-
ter.) Yet, if he (Mr. Handley) recollected right, it was com-
posed of the Right Hon. Gentletnan the Member for Cam.
bridge, who generally sat in close contact with him, the Right
Hon. Gentleman the Member for Harwich, and the Right-
reconciled Baronet the Member for East K ent—( Much laugh.
ter)—who carried as an indelible warnin--
" Nusquam tuts fides."
(Hear,hear.)—The Right Honourable Baronet had designated
that Ministry in words so apposite and so much better than ho
could do it, that he trussed the House would allow him to read
them—s" I rejected the offer on the ground of public duty, be-

-
nose I thought I should Lot be actin right, or
my duty to any country, or showing that Irroi :,-"srered,
considered due to my own character, if, bece.iite I , into
front my late colleagues upon one p.eint, I I,l":',_lsete'i.'ing,)
.)pp.is;tion to them all points.' —(.‘ `, d 0„ as
Such conduct he (Mr. •Handley) would have locked It
inconsistent With private honour.—(Ministerial cheervand.
would not have advanced the public good. Tie (11'1'•onet
ley) knew full well his inferiority to the Right Hon. o„_•ar
sos,
(Sir J. Graham) both in talent and station; but not 10
that talent or station, nor the glittering prospects tog.
and power which no doubt the Right Hon. Baronet .c,:tch3e
tained, would he sacrifice that honour, the loss of uh`,,ao
Right Hon. Baronet seemed to imply was involved in the'
of a person who, in one point differing from his friends,' wen nib
therefore, plunge into opposition on all points with those
whom he formerll struggled.—(Loud cheers front tb
.I:L▪ uter
terial benches.) fhe resolution of the Right lion.
for Tamworth seernsd to him (Mr. Handley) to imp-,
wants. By the one he (Mr. Handley) was called on ,t,unce,
,ure that Government to which he had adhered on aucounty
sons, with one exception, since he represented the
__at
of Lincoln ; at the same time the Right lion. Bauer.
called on him to admit that he (Sir R. Peel) was 1;1'7,1) let
son whom lie should wish to see called to pot/er. °„,,„ht •
them examine that part of the subject on which the of
Hon. Baronet in the first instance required the confide c_at
" the heavy agriculturists of Lincoln." Could be hae ‘itsho
confidence on the special point of the Corn-laws, on which.
Right Hon. Baronet conceived that he was so explicit ?
nisterial cheers.) The Right Hon. Baronet told them tc.t.eel)
back to his speech of last year, that by that ke (Sir B.
was willing to abide. Now he (Mr. H.) had listened aR
, rite
tively to that speech, and he had conferred on " bt
the debate with some Hon. Gentlemen, friends of the '.vhs
/lon. Baronet, and they all concurred that never had the Riled
Hon. Gent. made a speech so full of reservation—so intellar;s6
with " buts," that they fully and perfectly agreed that the
was no word of that speech which the Right Hon. li„
might not unsay, with the exception of that cuckoo notte_,:o.
feet called on to express my predilection for a sliding i,efsus
s
But as to the details, the Right Hon. Baronet said he u"
reserve himself as to the right of dealing with them ss $
thought 'fit.—(Cheers.) What was the Corn-law vit▪
ulio
sliding scale unless they gave also the whole. to
and marrow of the law —( Hear.) He would S.
the
was it to be 70s. or 60s. or 50s. or 405., or what was to
die
ai
ratio of decrease ? Let the Right Hon. Baronet give iThe
some information further than what he had vouchsafed. fell
Right Hon. Gentleman had used an exp izression which
wish very ominous import on the ears of the farmers of 1y
land.—( Hear, hear.) That sentence was that the prospe /4$
of manufactures was a greater support than any Corn-law• hi,h
had read a series of letters written by a gentleman of ,
commercial station, one wham he had no doubt wo ala
consulted by the Right Hon. Baronet with. great contidet..o
He alluded to Mr. Gladstone, the near relation of the ..
Members for Newark and Walsall. That Gentleman also
vocated a sliding scale ; that the duty should be redu,cedip
73e. to 6.55. Without comparing the present scale with bg
proposed by Mr. Gladstoae—namely, 555., instead of 735.,,
would simply mention that in the present average of wheaesr
namely, 635. per quarter, under the present law the duty!
00
ceeded Mr. Gladstone's scale of 6s. Bd. by is. 4d. I.'„nry
before they were called on to give their sup
to the Hon. Baronet, ought they not to know whether
ao.
sliding scale was to be 735. or 655., or 705., or 505.,
any other number he might think fit hereafter to propose.
the Right Hon. Gentleman would not answer that questiouiet
if he would reserve himself for dealini, with the detailar:cs,
him (Mr. Handley) at least ask him that simple, plain,:us,oo
doors, intelligible question,—would he or not c nt
to the farmers of England the „protection they at $
enjoyed ? That was a question which might be answereo4
Yes," or a " No. cheers.) The Right,'",ith
Baronet might not think fit to favour him (Mr. HandleYi did
an answer, but might favour him with an inference. If isB of
not answer that question, then adieu to candour. Let. Itile/7.)
claim candour with the farmers of England. He (1111*_Itbe
asked no more than that candour In which confidenre snir„t io
placed. He. was willing to meet the Right Hoe.. Bar°l%oo.
the House or out of it, on that plain intellig.;iblel Otegi.4od-
Would the petitions that had been sent to Van _(Mr.
st
ley).—one of them from a most important meeting, prayingkeo,
no alteration might be made in the Corn...laws—would, he as ot?
any answer be given to those petitions, in the affirmative oro his
Probably the Right lion. Baronet would favour them with too
opinion on the Charter, but perhaps that would be a viol 3 0
of the treaty of Nottingham.—(Cheers and laughter.)
might probably be averse to the " Times "-serving aihaue'
which he wished the Right Hon. Baronet much Jet-ho
(Laughter.) But were there no other question on whc.del
felt his consistency so involved, in which he had so far sst
with the Government, that he must refuse his vote to the lijbe
Hon. Baronet. Were there no questions connected with too
reform of abuses, with the great principles of civil and relignet,
liberty, on which he was opposed to the Right Hon. Baer°, . s
yet which he was called upon to give up I°' 0,)
skeleton Corn-law, with an unmentionable pivot.—(Cbeis' tp
Ile had voted for the 51. franchise in Ireland in prefertio
the Si. He would have voted for the 40s. franchise blot
had the opportunity, because a beneficial interest, turaa 501 cs.
tenant test, did not come within the humble ra.nre of his tbs
pacity.—( Cheers and laughter.) Was he, then to to fercerer.
measure of the Noble Secretary for Ireland, And give $ Pi-As'
rence to that of the Noble Lord, the Mk,er for North
cashire, because the Right Hon. Beeselet offered bin!,
great boon of a slidingscale, of which )'.e chose not to give b„
any
.information?—(Cheers.) But, his, Right Hon. rrilr,
(Dr. Lushington) had alluded to a subject which he (floe
exi
Handley) felt much more deeply than the. Corn-laws. .0g•
did the Right Hon. Baroreet propose to govern the sister ki,-
dom ?—( Hear, hear.) 'Was it as a sister kingdom or asacniissi
quered province ? "triere they to be again treated as ', , to
in language and aliens in blood ?"—( Cheers.) Were theted
be handed Over to the tender mercies of those who had oh.)
their sectarian interest too long ?—( Cheers, and Oh, Ir.
Hon. Gentlemen might dislike the quotation, but if an
man ever forgot that savage, insulting speech, lie„deree',)
himself to he forgotten in the hour of his adversity.—(C:neri
, to
Now what was it the Right Hon. Baronet proposed to'
do ? He thought the Right Hon. Gentleman who ).Lad bruubse,
forward this resolution had not much displayed !,is gratit%o
and he hoped Gentlemen would take warning by this in,ichhio
resolution how little gratitude may be expected in 00
future policy.—( Hear, hear.) Ile wished to ask bo
Right Honourable Baronet another qnestion. If
~„s
(Mr. Handley)had fallen into this trap of his, would be ".0,
himself have despised him? Would they not have despised
so
if he had forgotten the opinions which he had eider-tire:tea
many years, and separate from friends with whom he hae2,"tbe
en all the great question; of policy which had distinguishe;o
present Administration during the last ten years ? 11,
e ;;-01
the Right Hon. I.)_.aronet what would have been his or'nltis
him (Mr. Handley) if he had sat down a Tory for the rest fop ;
life ? He begged the Right Hon Baronet's Par:tigllt
he ought not to expect an answer to that question, far it
be personally offensive to his Noble and Bight Hon. •I' soa
(Lord Stanley and Sir James Graham).--( Loud cheer.,si„g,
laughter.) He was quite content to look to them as warloald
and not as examples—he was quite content that they i'et,
enjoy the fruit of their actions, but for himself he neit''
mired their treachery nor approved of their priociples•
The Debate was then adjourned until this day.
11IUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL. 001
Si: J. YARDE BULLER moved the second rea
this Bill, which related to rating under the Municipal sk.c:o,ol
Mr. DIVETT moved that the Bill should be read a 1
time that day six months.
tb"
Sir W. FOLLETT recommended the withdrawal,sislt
Bill for the present, as there could be no possibility of 1"""
it in the present Parliament. •
slide
After a short conversation, strangers were ordered
draw, and the House divided, when the numbers were--
ayes
Noes
Majority in favour of the second reading "'"75
DANISH CLAIMS. to
CRESSWELL said that as it was not then pro'est-oths
go into Committee on the Bit, he should propose to gch
Committee on the Danish Claims.
Mr. BROTHER'fON rose, but gave way to t,„ ,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, 1",; site'
that he objected to entering upon a money questi°-
12 o'clock. ssl'

Mr. CRESSWELL said that if the Hon. Member f°,l.';Ole
ford would put a stop to all public business, he would orle
tent; but that if they were to go on until 2o'clock in the ;rse
ing with other business, he did not see why he should not.lol'
vsre. —( Cries of No !No !") Well then, under the ro
stances of the case,_ he would proposf: the further consider
of the subject to that day week.
1,
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COPYHOLD AND CUSTOMARY TENURE --, 13111
On the Order of .the Day for the third reading Of "-
being read,
tioue.
Mr. GOULBURN moved the adjcurnment of the
4,3
Mr. F. MA ULE said if the Hon. Gentleman 11'.1":, g °
motion to a division, he would vote for the third, rea
the Bill.
After a short conversation strangers were ord,?red t°
draw, and the Home divided, when there appeared---11
For the adjournment
Against it
....
Majority against the adjournment .00
On our return to the Gallery we found the House (I°L
the third reading of the Bill. Itr
After a short discussion, in which, Mr. F. I"au-e:
Sergeant Jackson, Mr. Charles Buller, Mr. Goulbittl ars
Aglionby, and Mr. Hawes took part, the House divin
the question that the Bill be read 4 third time that u3'
months, when there appeared
For the amendment that the Bill be read a third 5
time that day three months ....... ....... 7
Against it... ..........................
.. ................. „..19
Majority against the amendment ......... •••* ius
The third reading was then postponed till to. marr°,",e.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed el,
House adjourned at a Quarter before Two o'Clock.

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