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London, England, 1847-06-23 00:00:00

SCN, LONDON, WEI;NESDA V MORNING, JUNE 23, 1847.

Rates; Liskeard and Carridon Railway;
Liverpool Gas; Waterford, Wexford, Wicklow, pnd
Dublin Railway; Wexford and Valencia Railway (Kil-
larney to Valencia); Wilts, Somerset, and Weymouth
Railway (No. I—Brawn, Pitconibe, and Rodden and
Bradford deviations); Windsor, Staines, and South•

Western Railway (Staines to Ascot and Wokingham,
with Branches); Windsor, Staines, and South-Western
Railway (Richmond to Windsor, &e.)

THIRD READINGS.

The following Bills were read a third time and
passed:—Caledonian Railway (Edinburgh Station and
Branches to Granton and to the Edinburgh and Glasgow
Railway) ; Eastern Union Railway (Branch from Man-
ningtree to Harwich) ; Exeter and Exmouth Railway ;
Great Northern Railway (Deviations between Grantham
and York); Wisbech Port and Harbour; York and North
Midland Railway (Hull Station and Branches).
BELFAST IMPROVEMENT BILL.

On its being moved thas this Bill be read a third time,
Mr. ROSS rose to oppose the motion. He believed
that a large body of the most respectable parties in
Belfast, merchants, bankers, magistrates, and inhabi-
tants, were all opposed to the Bill. If he was asked
why so few petitions had been presented against the mea-
sure, he would answer that it was at first determined riot
to bring the m-asure forward, and that was the reason
a by the inhabitants had not assembled in public meeting
to petition against it. But then it might be asked how
it happened that is (Mr. Ross's) name was at the back
of the Bili? It was true that such was the case, but he
h,- .1 protested against it. Not a single person, he be-
lieved, professing Liberal principles in the town of Bel-
fast was in favour of the measure. He therefore moved
that the Bill be read a third time that day six months.

After a few words from Lord A. CHICHESTER,
Mr. DIVETT, as Chairman of the Committee, stated
that the Committee had struck out several portions of the
Bill, and had only retained those portions which related
strictly to the improvement of the town. It had struck
the Committee that the law charges in the case were
most enormous, and he should certainly feel it his duty
to recommend to the House the propriety of not passing
in future any Bill of this nature, the promoters of which
could not give a fair and proper account of the expen-
diture of money authorised to be raised by them under
former Acts.

Mr. S. CRAWFORD supported the amendment of the
Hon. Member, and it was his intention to vote with him,
should the House go to a division.
Mr. F. FRENCH thought that it was the duty of the
House to support the decision of the Committee.
Mr. M. O'CONNELL supported the amendment. He
thought, as the Committee had thrown out nine-tenths
of the Bill, the House would act wisely in throwing out
the remaining fraction of it.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. The
House divided, when their appeared—
For the third reading 62
Against it l2
Majority
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
SMITHFIELD MaRKET. _

Sir 11. DOUGLAS presented a petition praying for
,he removal of Smithfield Market.—Ordered to lie upon
,he table.

NAVIGATION LAWS.

Mr. LIDDELI presented a petition from the butchers
and bakers of South Shields, against the Navigation
Laws.

AGRICULTURE.
Mr. PUSEY presented a petition, signed by several
hundreds of farmers, praying that measures may be
taken for the improvement of agriculture.
CANADA.
Sir H. DOUGLAS, seeing the Secretary for the Colo-
nies in his place, wished to ask whether it was so that
the Governor-General of Canada had issued proclama-
tions, giving the United States vessels privilege to enter
the port of Montreal, and to use the free navigation of
the river St. Lawrence; and, if it was so, whethr it did
not produce such an alteration in the navigation-laws as
to prevent provisions being conveyed into the British
dominions by the vessels of the United States, for which
there was a special proviso in the existing laws?
Mr. HAW ES said that the Government had not yet
received any information on the subject.
NEW ZEALAND.

Mr. VERNON SMITH wished to ask his Hon.
Friend (Mr. Hawes) whether any arrangement had been
entered into respecting New Zealand.
Mr. HAWES said that there had been an arrange-
ment entered into which be hoped to be able to lay
before the House in a few days. Most satisfactory
accounts had been received from Captain Grey, which
also would be laid before the House in a few days.

MESSAGE. FROM THE LORDS.
Messengers from the L ,rds brought up some Bills.
ANDOVER UNION.

On the motion that the orders of the day be now read,
Mr. VILLIERS said that in requesting the indulgence
of the House for a moment he was desirous to explain
that if he had had the most distant notion that there
was an order of the day which would enable lion.
Members to enter upon a discussion on the Andover
Union Committee he should assuredly have been in his
place, and he could assure the House that he would
not refer to that discusion if it related
only to himself, as he would have been then
perfectly willing to let the matter remain where it was ;
but there was another person involved in the question ;
and, therefore, although he was aware that he was
rather out of order, he threw himself on the indulgence
of the House, assuming that where there was a
question involving the character of an Honourable
Member, the House would allow that Member to
make his explanation. He said that there was
another person involved in this question—he meant
Sir Frankland Lewis. When he (Mr. Villiers) brought
this matter forward, he did so simply because a
letter had been put into his hand stating that
that gentleman's belief was totally at variance
with that of the Honourable Member for Wey-
mouth. That gentleman had heard with astonish-
ment that the question which he believed had been
put to him bad been denied, but nothing that had
been said had altered his belief upon the matter, and he
(Mr. Villiers) fully agreed with him in that opinion.—
(Hear, hear.) The lion. Member for Weymouth had
assert d upon his honour as a gentleman that he had
not done so. He (Mr. Villiers) was aware that an
Hon. Member's asseveration should not be doubted,
but notwithstanding this he should make bold to
refer to what was really the property of the
House, namely, the report of the Committee. He proved
then, that the question No. 22,622, put by the Hon. Me-
mber was this, whether there was not an arrangement that
on Sir F. Lewis's retirement his son should succeed him.
Now, that was a question which affected the arrange-
ment between Sir Frankland Lewis and his son. Sir
Trankland Lewis professed to explain the arrangement;
but tihe (Mr. Villiers) was not satisfied. But the
difficulty was not whether the question was put, but
whether it was a proper question, and not whether
he agreed with Mr. Chadwick, but whether he had
made any agree ment with that gentlemen on his
accession to office. He had accordingly referred, on the
suggestion of the Honourable Member for Finsbury,
to see whether this question had been put or not,
and whether it had been answered. On refer-
ring to the journals he found this question, " When
your son succeeded you did you guard him against Me.
Chadwick?" He (Mr. Villiers) would say, then, that this
question had been put, and that if he had been
misled he had been misled by the report of
the Committee, not by the short-hand notes, but by
the report of the Committee, and in referring to that
report he found that this question had been put, and on
the representation of a Member of this House he found
that in the journals it was stated also not only that it
was answered, but answered in detail. Whether it was
a private question, and one therefore fit to be put
to the Committee was the matter for another statement.
The question was thought to be an improper one, and
the room was cleared. The. Hon. Gentleman got his
friends Lord toiNcoaesdToßwEn Lolthreistolotuoseortdoejru,sfry.
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refer to any one.

The SPEAKER—The Hon. Gentleman ought to con-
fine himself to his own justification.
Mr. VILLIERS then proceeded—He was not on the
Committee, but all the witnesses had complained of the
conduct and tone of the Hon. Member for Weymouth.
Sir Frankland Le wishad complained often of his conduct,
and he complained to the chairman of the Committee,
Mr. Eastlake, also—(Order.)
The SPEAKER decided the Hon. Gentleman was out
of order.
Mr. CHRISTIE—Sir, I am quite satisfied with the
manner with w hich the house received my distinct
denial of the charge last night (Hear hear)
and I consider it would be beneath me
to again deny it after the solemn pledge which I have
already given of its injustice.—(Hear.) After the
honourable testimony borne to my conduct by many
Hon. Members, and amongst others my Hon. Friend the
Member for Shrewsbury, who saw and heard me daily,
I do not think it would be agreeable to the House to
again enter upon the discussion.— (Hear.)
LEGACY DUTY.
Dr. BOWRING said, as he did not think he could
succeed in obtaining a Select Committee to inquire
whether sundry amounts have not been and are illegally
detained by the Treasury for legacy duty on the pro-
perty of testators not domiciled in the United Kingdom,
he would withdraw his motion.
COPPER DUTIES.
Mr. ASHLEY presented a petition signed by 11,000
working men of the county of Cornwall, in relation to
the copper duties, and moved that it be printed with the
votes.
Mr. MUNTZ then rose to move " That the House
resolve itself into a Committee of Customs, to consider
the duties upon the importation of copper (Act 5 and 6
Vic., c. 47), with a view to their re iuction or
abolition." He said that previous to 1829 a large
quantity of copper ore was usually smelted in
South America. The quantity, however, was
reduced by a wise alteration of the law in relation to the
importation of that article. But another alteration was
made in the law in 1842 prejudicial to the importation
of ore into this country, so that in 1843 the
quantity imported was 19,829 tons, in 1845
10,500 tons, and in 1846 13,000 tons. The
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The Hon. Member concluded by moving that the House
resolve itself into Committee, to consider the duties
upon the importation of copper, with a view to their re
duction or abolition.
Mr. EWART most heartily seconded the motion;

for this was a matter of too much importance to the
mercantile marine to be neglected, and he, therefore,
Concurred in the views of the Hon. Member for Bir-
mingham.
Sir CHARLES LEMON thought that this inquiry

was one which was quite unriecesSary, for it had, by no
means been satisfactorily proved that the new plan was
better than the old one, for the only proof they had of
it was the existence of a report to the judicial Committee
and the unsupported assertions of those who were in-
terested in the promotion of the use of the invention.
He would quote another simple instance to show that
duty upon copper ore was a new tax. The Hon. Gentle-
man then read several lengthened extracts from the blue
book, which he said were of a nature to mislead the
public. It had been said, and it was true, that there
had been a rise in the price of copper during the last
year. But why ? Because there had been a consider-
able falling off in the production of the foreign mines,
and of the mines at home ; also what was said of the
discovery of coal in America, was an old subject. It was
well known that there were coals in America, as great
in extent a the fields in England, Scotland, and Ireland.
But he would not occupy the time of the House un-

necessarily. All he would ask of the House was, that
before any change was introduced, some inquiry should
be made, and some reason shown that injury would not
succeed.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
rose then in order that the debate might not be prolonged.
He had stated at an early part of the sessi,n, that he
could not hold out any prospect of a reduction in the
custom's duties this year, and the charges which had
fallen upon the country since then gave him no en-
couragement to diverge from that statement. Having
said so much at that early period, he could not be sup-
posed to oppose the Hon. Gentleman's motion now, ex-
cept on a ground which he had laid down previously.
On that ground and that alone, without expressing any
opinion on the merits of the question, he would oppose
the motion.
Lord W. PAWLETS thought the Chancellor of the
Exchequer had adopted a course which the affairs of the
country rendered necessary.
Mr. CAREW said that after what had fallen from the

Right lion. Gentleman, he did not think it would be
right to take a course opposite to what the Right Hon.
Gentleman had suggested. In confirmation of what
had been stated with respect to the importations to the
United States, he begged to say that the quantity of
copper exported from this country into the United
states had become doubled within the last year.
After a few words from Mr. BROWN,
Lord SANDON said that having, on a different occa-
sion, taken a part in this question, he did not wish the
present occasion to pass without saying a word. He did
not agree with what had been said about the application
of free-trade principles to this question. He trusted
that ao change would take place until the matter had
been more fully considered.
Mr. RASHLEIGH opposed the motion, which he
considered prejudicial to the labourers in mines.
Mr. SPOONER said that if they refused to smelt
Chili copper here, it would be smelted elsewhere, already
a large manufactory was at the present moment being
established at the mouth of the Elbe—if the duty on
copper was not taken off, they would drive out of the
country a great manufacturing interest. The present
duty yielded only 50,0001. a year, and such was too
miserable for a Government to care about, especially
when such a tax was opposed to the best interests of the
empire.

Lord G. BENTINCK said that he regretted he had
to oppose the Members for Birmingham, who had been
formerly in alliance with him, he would be very glad
that the Government would make some declaration as to
what they would do in the next session of Parliament—
it would be very agreeable to the Cornwall miners on
the one hand and the manufacturing interest of Birming-
ham on the other.

Mr. TURNER said that it was their duty to protect
the interests of the great working body of the whole
country. He was in favour of the motion, but he con-
sidered it would be better to adjourn the question to a
future session.

After a few words from Sir CHARLES LEMON in
explanation,

Mr. MUNTZ said if Hon. Members knew as much of
trade as he did they would not be so hasty in coming
to a conclusion against the motion. He said he would
press the motion to a division.
Mr. NE WDEGATE regretted that he could not give
his support to the motion.
Sir G. CLERK would oppose the motion on the
ground stated by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, that
he could not afford to lose so much revenue. He hoped,
however, that the present Government would watch the
experiment which had been already made, and shape
their course accordingly.
Mr. G. PALMER opposed the motion, on the ground
that it would be unfair to deprive the Cornwall miners
of that protection which they had hitherto enjoyed.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
House divided, when there appeared—

For the motion
Against it
Majority
The motion was consequently lost.
WASTE LAN DS OF IRELAND.

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Mr. P. SCROPE then brought forward the resolution of
which he had given notice, that the waste lands of Ireland
offer an available resource for the immediate employment
and future maintenance of a part of her population, now
apparently redundant; and that it is expedient to
apply them to this great national object, making
equitable compensation to their present proprietors.
About 12 years ago he brought forward a similar mea-
sure, and he regreted that he was not able to have that
attention drawn to it which its merits deserved. He
was extremely sorry that the Government had aban-
doned the measure which they had in contemplation
with regard to this subject, and he hoped it would not
f- deemed presumption in him to bring it forward at
this late period of the session. The Hun. Gentle nan
was proceeding to state the grounds on which he thought
the motion necessary, when

An HoN. MEMBR-R moved that the House be counted.

Strangers were ordered to withdraw, and there not
being 40 Members present, the House stood adjourncd
till to-morrow.

RAILWAY COMMITTEES.
HOUSE OF LORDS.—(YESTERDAY.)
GROUP A.
WATERFORD AND LIMERICIC RAILWAY.
The Committee on this line met to-day at eleven
o'clock; Lord Camoys in the chair.
Mr. WHEATLEY opened the case for the promoters,
and pointed out the great advantages which would be
conferred by the deviations.
Mr. Osborne, C.E., was then examined at great length
3n the engineering peculiarities of the deviations.
DECISION.
After some further discussion the room was cleared,
and on re-admission,
The CHAIRMAN announced that the preamble was
proved.
DUBLIN, D'UNDRUIVI, AND RATBFARN-
HAPS.
The case for this Bill was opened, and evidence partly
heard.
The Committee then adjourned.

the remainder of the day in hearing the evidence of
Mr. Gregory, the engineer to the line,
The Committee adjourned till twelve to-morrow.

TUESDAY NIGHT'S GAZETTE

BUCKINGITAM:PALACE„ JUNE 17, 1847.

This day his Royr.l Highness the Hereditary Prince Uf
Lucca, attended by his Excellency the Count. Revel, the
Sardinian Cnarge d'Affaires, had an audience o! her Majesty,
to take leave : to which his Royal Highness was introduced
by Vircount Paliner:Ann, G.C.8., her Majesty's Principal Se-
cretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and conducted oy Col.
the Hon. Sir Edward Cust, K.C.H., her Majesty's Master of
the Ceremonies.