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CORN DISTILLERY PREVENTION BILL.

After Tome timehldelkipsett;
Earl BATHURsT, aireeably to notice on a former
evening, inovet4 the second reading of this
which proceeding ficcOrchngly, took place:
A kw winds were inteicininged "on ;be oreasimi.
between Lis Grace 61.Nortolk Atid the Noble Enrl
across the table; arid rather, in a low tone of yoke.
The first mentioned Peet observed, that the dale
of the expiration of the Bill was in 1812, therefoie
should Pin-hat-net-it not be sitting at the time, 'bete
would be bo opportunity for% renewing or revising
,the Bill, should tt be requii.rte.
BATI:WHST replied,r that only A part of ilie
Btll would expire, as alluded to by the Noble Duke;
the rem ender would continue in force beyond that:
period; ai4 in this 'reqpeEi. it was alike applicableto Great B.ritain.and Iteland.

The Bill was then committal for Allnday, and
their I,,rdshirs adjourned (to- -tirrow.tie;ng the
Anniversary of the..o,'AartyrdOrd of King Charjes I )
until Friday, when a hnig, . d ted debate is
expeded on the subje& of the Irish Cdthohes.

HC~OSS •U F CO nM 0 'VS:-

WEDNESDAY, JAN. 29.

Mr. W. POLE presented certain Estimates; rela.h
tive to the Board of 'Works,. &c. in Ireland.
dered to he on the table.
' Mr. W. P0r..9 presented the usual. Annual Poi-
tions• from the various Charitable Institutions in
Dublin.. Ordered to lie on the table.
GRANTS IN REVERSION.
• Mr. BANKES brought in a Bill to prohibit the
granting of the offices in reversion, or for joint
lives, with the barrefit of survivorship. Read a
first time, and ordered to be. read a second timeort .
Tuesday.
The Ten Millions and a Half Exchequer Bills
Bill, and the • one Million' and a Half Exchequer
Bills Bill, were read a third time, and passed: • •
Mr. LOCKHART gave notice, that on Friday he •
would submit to the House a motion for an In—
quiry into: the propriety of allowing Members of
Parliament, becoming 'Bankrupts, to sit and Vote in
that House.

COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
The Accounts presented to the House of money
paid by the Crown, in consequence of Addresses of
that House having been referred to the Committee
of Supply,: the House resolved itself into the said
Committee. „

•
On the mntton of -Mr. WHARTON, it- was ro-
solved, that a sum not exceeding ?V,3dfil. be grant-
ed to his Majesty, to make good the nns•indyanted
by his Majesty, in pursuance of addresses from that
House. •
-The House having been resumed; the report wa4
ordered to be received on Friday.
- • !j-LOCAL.MILI efA.
.
• Mr..Secreiary RYDER'gave notice,. that on Friday
he would move for leave to bring in a Bill to amend
the ,Laws respecting -elle Local Mi; it ia..
On the. Motion of the .(.31-lANccu.Oft of, the Ex.
C-HEQUER; it was ordered, ihat at--its- rising the
:House should adjourn -to Friday.
On the- robtioroor the CHANCELLOR ref 'tlie.EX.
CHEQUER, it was ordered that the Rev.
.W. Manby,
DI). be revested to preach before the House, at
St. Margaret's Chad), ;130 Wednesday,' the sth Fe-
brlwry, being the day kippointed by, his •Boyal
ness the• Prince Regent for a °et-writ-I Fast.
PO.I'CILATION* VP Ilt ELANTI).
Sir J. NEWPORT, in.porsuance of hiS notice, mov7.,
ed for -leave to bring in a 'Bill to ascertain the Po-
pulation of Ireland. It was a matter of great- won-
-der to hire that such a titeasuri: had hcen deferred so
long ; for he confessed liimself.to beat a /OSs to' con-
-"ceive why the LegislatUre should not be. accurately
apprised of Ate numbers of the people over whom
they Were to legiilate. Since the Union between.
the two catmints, England had .been twice .num-
bered : Irelaitd not once. This negrea might by
some be attributed to a wish, by consoling the great -
amount of the Irish population, to disguise from •
Parliament, and from the Empire, The necessity of
gravely conaidering the state of behind it,elf. But
for his part, he did not think the Legislaturewould
do their duty if they left the real amount of what was
• cd'hfe•sedly s!) large a portion of population of
the 'Empire undecided. . It had •itideed appe-ired to
him to be`agTecsin in sall Bills introduced tritO that
House, that:they had not been originally drawn as
extending to all parts .of the United ,Kingdom ;
leaviog it to be shewn in their progress , (ii it. t cold
be shewn) why any part of the United Kingdom
sho,ald be excepted from their oper,tion. Instead
of,diat, the prattice was to make the exception lilt
rule ; to bring in a Bill as for Great Britain Dolt ;
and, then, it it were deemed 11,:CeSS:ily, totAtelici the
provisions of it to Ireland. This certainly was not
the proper....mode'of legislating. for an United Ern-
,pire. In proof of these assertions, ottkl advert
to the .Ael of. the Session before ',else la“, for itle
better' security of the duties to be discharged by
publjp.ofticers.. If it %yew necessary that any keip3.

lative ensament should extend to the whole Empire,
surety this was that enadment.;' ingead'of
th&nderation extended only to England and Wales,
,
-and was I,ot even extended to Seethed. The pro-
visioes of the Bill for Iperating persons confined on
process tur small debts, were not extended to Ire-
land, although he confessed -he could see no possible
'reason tor tiseir not having been so extended. But
to return to the subject to which he then wished to
draw, the attention of the House, namely, the ascer-
taining the population of Ireland : he observed, that
the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite. (Mr. Rose),
ilAy whom a Bill for the purpose of ascertaining the
population of Great Britain had been moved; had
expressed .a difficulty in applying the principles of
the measure to the' Sister Kingdom. For his part,
he (Sir J. Newport) was not aware of any such dif-
ficUlty. In the Bill which he should have the ho-
-nour to propose, it was his intentioniahoUld his mo-
tion be acceded to, as it was impra6licable for the
_ Legislatures° avail themselves in Ireland of the pa-
rochial management which was so convenient for
their purpose in Great Britain, to submit to the
House the necessity of having recourse to other me=
thods.. In the first place, it should be considered,
there was in Ireland, a peculiar means of supplying
the deficiency supposed to exist in that respell. He
meant to propose, for the purpose Of ascertaining
the Irish population, to avail himself of Grand Juries
and officers employed by them -in 'making county
presentments. Into the details of this proposition
he would not then enter. They would come with
a better grace in a subsequent stage of the proceed-
ing, should the House allow him to bring in his
Bill. He-would only observe, that under the present
circumstances, he thought it advisable to avoid pro-
viding in the Bill any eligious distinctions among
the population which it was intended to ascertain.—
He did not wish to set the natives of the same Coon.,
tty in hostile array against each other, because they
were of different religious creeds ; not that he cop-
ceived any serious evil would accrue, for he believed
that if ever there was a crisis in which the inhabi-
tants of Ireland were determined to a& in defence
of the'ConStitution, if was since they had become a
part of the United Empire; and be was more and
more convinced,. that Whatever pains might be taken
to disunite them, they would remain united in de-
fence of the common-interests of the country. To
revert to the measure which he was about to pro-
pose, he cleclareckahat he did not think that it ought
to be a temporary; but a permanent a6l of the L-
egislature. In his opinion, a census of the people,
taken at certain intervals., afforded to a Legislature
grounds' for providing due means, for their Govern-
ment.' Until that census had for some time been
regularly repeated, it was impossible'io 'expect ac-
curate returns; for if the people took if into their
heads that it was merely a measure dictated by the
policy of the moment; for the purpose of taxation
or finance, the conseqrience would be a suspension
or deficiency in the statement of the population.—
This assertion would be Mustrated by a 'reference
to the returns for Great Britain,-; for it was im-
possible that any thinking-mind could attribute the
great apparent increase in those returns, during
the last" t%senty years, to any
_other source ;
particularly when it was observed that the ap-
parent 'increase was the *greatefit, in those very dis-
tricts in which the continuance of the war must ne-
cessarily have tended to diminish rather than to
augment the population. To what -was this to be
ascribed but that the people in 1801, conceiving
that the Bill for ascertaining the population of the
kingdom would be .followed by some general mea-
sure of taxation, held back the returns, and that in
181 0, having repeatedly experienced that no such
evil resulted, they came forward fairly, and abandon-
ed all evasion ? It was on thii ground that in the
Bill which he wished to be allowed to bring in, he
meant to introduce a clause enaEting, that in a given
number of years (he would perhaps say seven) the
Census should be repeated in Ireland. He would
not trouble the Housegat greater length on the sub-
jed at present, but would simply move for leave to
bring in a Bill for taking an account of the popula-
tion of Ireland, and of the increase or diminution
thereof.. .

Mr. ROSE declared, that he had not the slightest
objection to the motion of the Hon. 'Baronet, and
that he had gof up merely to vindicate himself from
the charge of having negle&ed to include Ireland in
the provisions of the Bill,,,vhich he had himself sub-
mitted to the House on this subjea. The reason
was, • his consciousness of his own inability to -sug-
gest any mode by which the provisions of that Bill
might be carried into effe& in Ireland. He had
never conceived that it would be improper to ascer-
tain the state of the population of Ireland ; but quite
the contrary. Indeed, he found a sufficient excuse
for his omission in the speech of the Hon. Baronet,.
Who himself allowed that the proyisions of the Eng-
lish Bill were not applicable to Ireland. He repeat-
ed that he thought the measure extremely %Vise and
and proper. He was heartily glad the Honourable
Baronet had taken it up. It was in very good hands,
and if he could assist the Honourable Baronet, it
would give him great pleasure lb do só.• He was
I.appy to find that the Honourable Baronet did not
intend to propose that the religious clistinaions of
she Dish population 'should be marked in the re-
'turns, for be perfectly agreed with the Hon. Bart.
'that whatever alight be the religion of the people of

Ireland or of the people of Great Iritain, there were
few instances, either in the- one kingdom Or the
'other, in which the inhabitants were not zealously
'attached to the interest of-their country. He thought
it also extremely -desirable that the measure should
'be periodical, for he allowed that in a single in-
stance, to take the populatio❑ of the country was by
no means satisfactory. At the same tithe 'ha by

no means admitted, that the increase in the returns
for Great Britain, dufing the last ten years, was
solely attributable to the cause to which it had been
ascribed by the Hon. Bart. On invcsligating the
circumstances very closely, he was persuaded that
there had been a real and considerable increase in
the population of the island; and he instanced the
case of a village in the neighbourhood in which
be usually resided, the population of which had,
to his certain knowledge, increased during the last
' ten years, from 880 to 1030. He concluded by
giving his hearty 'assent to the Molion.—Leave
-granttd.
M.. EDEN gave notice that on Tuesday he would
niove for a Committee to tale into cOnsiderathn the