The Sun.
London, England, 1840-07-14 00:00:00

THE SULPHUR TRADE.

Lord LYNDHURST asked of Lord Melbourne
whether any a►rarigement had been come to with the
Sicilian Government on the subject of the sulphur trade?
Lord MEL BOURNE had every reason to believe
that an arrangement had been made to do away with the
monopoly.
Lord LYNDHURST—And to give compensation
to British subjects ?
Lord MELBOURNE—To give compensation as
soon as the claims can be ascertained.
On the motion of Lord ELLENBQROUGH, the
Commons' amendments to the Vaccination Bili were
agreed to, and the Bill was passed.
MESSAGE FROM THE CROWN.
THE REGENCY.

Lord MELBOURNE rose, and in a low tone said,
a message from her Majesty."—(Loud cries
of " )
The LORD CHANCELLOR then read the mes-
HLaotrsd
es,
ff.„
sage, as follows :
" The uncertainty of human life, and a deep sense of
my duty to my people, render it incumbent upon me to
recommend to you to consider contingencies which may
hereafter take place, and to make such provision. as
will, in any event, secure the exercise of the Royal

authority.
" I shall _be prepared to concur with you in those
measures which may appear best calculated to maintain
unimpaired the power and dignity of the Crown, and
thereby to strengthen the szcurities which protect the
*ights and liberties of my people." V. R.
Lord MELBOURNE then gave notice that he
would to-morrow move that the message be taken into
consideration.
Lord BROUGHAM presented several petitions
from Chester against the Weaver Churches Bill. The
petition,: \% ere ord.-red to he referred to the (-.!m)'cif tee.
Arorisi*HlATloN .11.,STICE BILL.
The j,(.1:;) ('ll.\ NI:1.1 1,1,01: moved tikt the
Report of the sci,,,t on the Administration
of Justice 13111 should ho brought up.
Lord BROUGHAM expressed a hope that a more
comprehensive measure might yet be introduced with
regard to the Appellate jurisdiction. The Noble and
Learned Lord then proposed to make an addition to the
Bill, to the effect that the Judges of the Court of Chancery
should have the same power of arranging the practice of
that Court which had been given by a former Act to
the Common-law Judges, and which had met with the
approbation of the profession.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the propo-
sition should have his entire concurrence.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH thought the Bill much
better now than as originally introduced.
After a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, the
Report was brought up, the amendments ordered to
be printed, and the Bill read a third time on Thursday
next.

CANADA.
Viscount MELBOURNE moved the third reading
of the Canada Government Bill.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said he still
entertained the same opinion of this Bill he did
on the second reading, but he would recommend
their Lordships to allow the Bill to go go down for the
further consideration of the other House of Parliament.
With respect to what had taken place in relation to the
question of a local responsible Government, in his opi-
nion they ought to have had, they could not have
had the cpinion of the Legislature of Lower
Canada, but they ought to have had the
unbiassed opinion of the Legislature of tipper Canada,
who had assisted her Majesty's Governor in subduing
the rebellion, and driving out, what he would call, the
foreign enemy. They ought to have had their opinion
unbiassed by any ;nfluence, or anything that would
lead to the supposition of evidence, and measures
ought fairly to have been taken to make
known, as early as possible, the opinion of her Majesty's
Government, and that. in the most authoritative and
authentic manner, on the subject of that question, which,
fi it did not originate in the published report of one of
her Majesty's servants, was at least consider-
ably excited and fomented by that report ; and
it was therefore peculiarly incumbent on the
successor of the Noble Lord to state the
matter aright in the most authoritative manner.
It appeared that some officers of the awernment in
Upper Canada threw up their offices because they could
nut support the measure of the Government.—(Hear.)
But, after the publication in March of the despatch
of the 14th of October, a contested election took
place, and the Solicitor-General became a candidate for
the representation of Toronto, and he claimed the sup-
port of the constituency on the ground of his
being an advocate for the principle of local re-
presentative Government. He was elected, and
notwithstanding the statements in the despatch of the
14th of October, he was continued in his office as Soli-
citor-General—that is, in fact, a member of the Ge-
verntnent.—(Hear, hear.) The truth was, that
the principle of Local Representative Government was
secretly encouraged in Canada.—(Hear, hear.) The
as amended.
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same opinion with the Noble Duke, and for the same
reasons as those given by his Noble Friend, he would
not take all the means which he otherwise would
to procure the rejection of the Bill. He concurred
with the Noble Duke in reprehending the conduct of
Mr. Thomson in not publishing the despatch al-
luded to.

Lord MELBOURNE—With respect to the com-
plaints made by the Noble Duke and the Noble Baron
opposite as to his Rlglit Hon. Friend's not having pub-
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found to be difficult to know how to act when there
was a feeling in the popular mind, which you do not
think a correct one. It might, in some cases, be pru-
dent to face that feeling, and to stem the popular error.
It night, on the other hand, be often prudent to wait
until the feeling should die away, and the popular
mind take a more wise direction. Which of those two
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stances ; a
con-
sideration the state of feeling in Canada, thought it most
wise not to publish the despatch, in which the opinion of
the Govern(); was declared, in opposition to what he
knew to be the popular opinion. But, however, the
opinion of the Government upon that subject was well
known in Canada. It was well known that the Go-
vernment had net changed its opinion ; for his Noble
Friend in the other House ( Lord J. Russell) had declared
last Session that his opinion, and tbat of his colleagues, had
undergone no change. Still his Right Hon Friend
thought he had a right to use his own discretion, and
he (Lord Melbourne) had seen no rerson to think that
he erred in that judgment. He believed that on some
points the information of the Noble Duke had been in-
accurate. The Solicitor-General had not left Toronto
because he had disapproved of the conduct of the Go-
vernment, as the Noble Duke seemed to suppose. He
lamented that the Noble Duke should have again ex-
pressed his disapprobation of the Bill, and his distrust
of the effects which it would produce ; but he (Lord
Nth.leelbsoeunrsencollhioepredmtha
jstaettyh,sose anticipations and prophe-
cies would be found not to have been characterised by
the Noble Duke s usual providence and sagacity.
The Duke of WELLINGTON thought, after all
that had passed, that it was indispensably necessary that
Ministry should have been
made known on the subject of responsible government:
Lord MELBOURNE said that it was a question
of prudence and discretion.
Lord ELLEN BOROUGH observed that the
Governer-General had placed in office Mr. Baldwin,
who had advocated the principle of local responsibility.
Lord GOSFORD submitted that the qualifications
carriedall no
n(tlno doubt
effect,
of the Representatives, which was fixed at five hundred
pounds, was too high
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psluu3ccecdsist;
The Earl of RIPON. said if
.the passed, they
higAhfrteesrpaonfes:vletvosituationswishthat
persons who. differed from.
them on great fundamental questions, it would be im-
possible that such could be the case.—(Hear, hear.)
It was incumbent upon the Government to require
the resignation of Mr. Baldwin, or they would be sanc-
tioning principles which might lead to the separation of
the colonies from the mother country.—(Hear.)
Lord BROUGHAM said their Lordships would
perhaps remember, that on a former occasion his obser-
vations had referred to the want of consent on the part
of the colonies, and to the nature of the measure,
l
being such as would lead to separation, which, whatever
,
mbuigtht
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pace in consequence
of this measure what he was apprehensive of was, that Noble Lords, he should
not lament to see take place at an earlier period,
the parties would separate in ill-blood.—(Hear, hear.)
It was not his intention to renew his arguments further
than to state that he was sorry to say, having attended
to the arguments and evidence on both sides, that if the
consequence of the suppression of the despatch of the
14th of October was to lead the province into an error
as to the opinion of her Majesty's Government and the
House on the question of responsible Government .it
was not much to be wondered at.—(Hear, hear,)

Lord MELBOURNE wished to say, that they were
distinctly given to understand that before Mr. Baldwin
accepted office he had declared that he understood the
words " responsible government" precisely in the sense
in which they were used in the despatch of Lord John
Russell, and that he did not wish for responsible go-
vernment in the sense put upon it by the Noble Duke,
and in which it was generally understood by their Lord-
ships. The question was not whether by putting for-
ward the despatch they would have been acting pru-
dently or imprudently, and thereby the greatest diffe-
rence of opinion on the subject, as he had differed in opi-
nion on former times with his Hon. and Learned Friend.
When his Noble and Learned Friend, with that decision
which was suitable to his great and powerful talents,
was always for stemming the popular current, but he
(Lord Melbourne) with that policy which was perhaps
more suitable to his talents, was for cutting it slip by
slip.—(Laughter.) It was always a question of diffi-
culty, and one which depended on circumstances, to
decide whether they would meet popular error in front,
or allow it previously to expend its force. The Governor
of Canada certainly thought that in the present circum-
stances of the colonies it would be better not to revive
that subject, and so far he had been justified by the
result, for in the last despatches of Sir George Arthur's,
it was said that the cry for responsible government had
died away,, and was now little heard of in the co'ony.
—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the suggestions of
altering the qualification, he would only say that that
qualification was settled in the colony, and therefore
could not be presumed to be too high, and he thought
it would be in the highest degree imprudent to have a
small qualification.—(Hear, hear.)
The Earl of WICKLOW observed, that it would
appear then that Mr. Thomson was a fit representa-
tive of the Noble Viscount, and not of a person of great
and powerful mind.—(Laughter.)
After a few words from Lord BROUGHAM, the
Bill was read a third time.
Upon the question that the Bill do pass,
The Duke of WELLINGTON observed that the
amendment Ir.) proposed, relating to taxation, was only
carrying a little further the views of the House of
Commons.
Lord ELLENBOROUGH said it had always
been admitted, that in regard to taxation in colonies,
that House had equal jurisdiction with the House of
Commons.
The Bill was then passed.
The Marquis of WESTMINSTER presented a
petition against the Weaver Churches Bill.
Their Lordships adjourned at Twenty Minutes to
Seven o'Clock.