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might fairly infer, that had his Gallant Friend been apprized
of each particular case to be brought forward, he could have
as clearly and minutely answered it. His Hon. and Gallant
Friend had not only reiroved the imputation of abuse, but had
shervn positive merit in the administration of naval affairs.
The House would perceive that promotion must necessarily
be regulated by seniority expressly, or must be left to- the
discretion of some quarter which should be empowered to
Nulate it according to merit. Such a power was, from
its nature, liable to abuse ; and had his. Honourable and
Gallant Friend not admitted this, had he not admitted that
some uegree of influence prevailed, in this particular, he
should not have for him that respect which he had. The mixed
nature of the service rendered it impossible that there should
not be some degree of influence, and then the question pre-
sented itself to the House as one of degree. Vas the influence
in question too much; and was it allowed to operate in
favour of unworthy objects. Th.: case made out by his Gal-
lant Friend completely negatived this question. Then, with
regard to the encouragement given to persons of birth and
rank, he would say that this circumstance, contributing, as it
did, to preserve the mixed nature of the service, was one of its
greatest advantages. All classes were brought together ; the
lower had the means of making their way to honour and ad-
vancement, and any feeling of pride which might be supposed
to actuate the higher was corrected by both classes being rubbed
together in mutual hardship and danger.—(Hear, hear !)
It should be recollected that the Admiralty had not only to ad-
minister the affairs of the Navy, but to maintain the Navy it-
self ; anti after the statement made by his Gallant Friend, he
thought there could be little difference of opinion on the ques-
tion whether the Navy did not now stand upon principles cal-
culated to maintain it.—(Hear, hear!)
sr F. M. OMMANNEI' said he :should like to ask the
Gallant Admiral how many Masters had been promoted since
the war ? They were deserving men, and ought to be pro-
moted. They were the most efficient men in the day of battle.
--(Cries of Question, question.)—He thought the House ought
not to neglect the humbler classes of the Navy. The Hon.
MeMber proceeded to make some further observations, but the
impatience of the House for the question was so great, that they
were either inaudible or were heard too irregularly to admit
of any arrangement. The Hon. Member moved as an amend-
ment a Resolution which we understood to be to the following
effect :—" That the House is satisfied that the powers vested
in the hands of the Admiralty are exercised with discretion
and judgment; but that an humble Address be presented to
his Majesty praying that lie will be graciously pleased to give
directions, that, for the future, no Officer of the Navy be pro-
moted to the rank of Rear-Admiral, to be superannuated im-
mediately afterwagis ; and that Captains shall take rank by
seniority only:"
No one having seconded this amendment, it fell to the ground.
Mr. HUME shortly replied. He observed, that he was
ready to rest his case on Lord Frederick Thynne's promotion,
for a grosser act of favouritism never occurred. In whatever
manner the House might deal with this question, he knew that
he had the navy and the country with him.
The previous question was then put and carried on the two
first resolutions.

On the third Resolution the House divided—
Ayes, 32—Noes, 153—Majority against the Resolution, 121.
On our re-admission into the gallery, we found that the pre-
vious question had been put and carried on the remaining reso-
lutions.
Mr. WESTERN moved for leave to bring in a Bill to alter
the existing law relative to the qualification for jurors.
Mr. PEEL, said, he did not mean to oppose the introduction
of the Bill, as the subject was one of great importance, but at
the same time he would not pledge himself to support it.—
I, was accordingly - tnted.

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CORONATION EXPENCES.
Mr. HUME rose to introduce a subject which he considered
•f importance. Having stated the facts respecting the Corona-
tion on a former night, he should be brief. The lion. 31ember
for Knaresborough made a motion on the subject of the French
indemnity in 1818, and from that period they had received
no account of the indemnity from the French Government.—
TO Chancellor of the Exchequer had indeed stated that a
portien of it was appropriated last year without applies-
tuntcto Parliament. He complained of his Majesty's Minis-
ters for having taken on themselves to make that appro-
priation. It appeared impossible the proceedings could be
justified. In 1821 it was said the money was applied to the
Coronation. It was astonishing how the expellee of the Coro-
nation could have been so great. One of the items was the
diamond bauble which had been kept onhire in a useless state.
He thought a Committee ought to be appointed to inquire why
the expellee of the Coronation had so much exceeded the Esti-
mate, and concluded by moving, " That a Select Committee
be appointed to inquire into the circumstances which occasioned
an expence of 13,8281., in the charge for the Coronation, more
than the Estimate of 1820. Also to inquire why 113,2181. had
been applied to the discharge of the Coronation expenses with.
out the sanction of that House."
The CI IA NCH LLOR of the EXCHEQUER could not ad-
mit that there had been the slightest misapplication of the
money alluded to by the Hon. Member. He was sure the
house would feel it was impossible to present any estimate of
the real expence of the Coronation. Many offices retained at
the former Coronation had been abolished by Mr. Burke's bill,
and under all the circumstances, it was a guess more than any
thing else. It was obvious that the expence of a Coronation now
must be more titan it was 80 years ago. With respect to the
Crown and the Robes, he could say, that the price fixed on at the
time of the Coronation was 60,080/. Other articles of the regalia
and particularly the circlet, were Wed. The expence of the
Coronation of George the Third was 15,0001. The additional
expence in the last Coronation was occasioned by the new
crown. It was not known precisely when the Coronation
would take place, consequently the Crown was kept on
hire. After the Coronation took place, it became desirable
that the crown should be purchased, and become part of
the Public Regalia, but his Majesty's Government knowing
the expellee of the crown would he 65,0001. they did not de-
cide upon the purchase until they ascertained what the total
exPetiee of the Coronation was. His Majesty was disposed to
sacrifice, with that consideration which marked his conduct,
ant of the Royal Revenue, 30,11001. per annum. It was after-
wards ascertained that the purchase of the crown was not an ad-
visable measure. It was therefore sent back, and the hire paid.
It was abandoned on account of the expence. The other Item,
namely, the robes, constituted an expence of 24,0001. It was
required that the Sovereign should have two distinct dresses.
He could not say whether gold lace or embroidery was an inch
broader than the dresses used at former Coronations. It was not
a subject for the consideration of the liouse.—(Hear !)—There
was a set of Robes which his Majesty wore at the opening of
Parliament. These robes were always new at the Coronation.
His late Majesty, however, did not order new Parliamentary
robes. He went to Parliament in robes near a century old,
'and if any one had trod on the train, it must have been
left in a tattered state. It was therefore not extraordi-
nary that his present Majesty should require new Parlia-
mentary robes. It was not surprising that the total expence
of the Coronation should have exceeded the estimate. The
lion. Gentleman supposed there had been a misapplication of
' the indemnity money from France. Parliament, in the Ways
and Means, never did appropriate that find; therefore Go-
vernment were competent to apply the indemnity to the Coro-
nation, because It wits a public service. The people of the
country had never treated the ceremony with the levity of the
Non. Member. Government were justified in applying it to a
public service. lie concluded by giving the motion his com-
plete negative. The House dividd—
For the motion - - 77
Against it . 127
Majority - - -—5 O
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
third reading of the Scotch Commissaries Bill.
Mr. GIIA NT objected to the discussion at so late an hour,
and moved the House do adjourn.
Laird A. HAMILTON said he had never had an opportu-
nity of doing his duty on this Bill.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said the inquiry, into the conduct of
the Sheriff of Dublin, had occupied ao much of their time, that
he had been obliged to postpone the consideration of five Bills
affecting the subject penally. if any time could be selected for
the discussion of the subject he was sure his Hon. Friend would
adopt it.
After a few words from Mr. KENNED" and Mr. W. S`stlTll,
the LORD ADVOCATE said the Bill was of importance to the
Public, as it abolished five patent places. lie should, however,
consent once more to postpone it to give the Noble Lord an
opportunity of making his objection. Possibly Tuesday might
suit the Noble Lord.
Sir G. CLERK hoped it would be brought on early.
The Noble Lord assented to the arrangement ; and Mr.
n
'''RANT having withdrawn his amendment, the third reading
was fixed for Tuesday.
The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and the House
-adjourned at ONE O'CLOCK.

A LIST OF TILE MINORITY
Wil° voted for the Third Resolution proposed by Mr. Hume,
respecting Naval Promotions.
.11 obr ey, sir J. Kennedy, T. F. Sefton, Earl of
"'nal, Ralph Lennard, T ,T. B. Smith John
...Aright, Ilen:Y Langston, J. H. Taylor, Al. A.
Isamu, S lif Maxwell, J. Webbe, Ed.
Coke T. T. S. Williams J.
'jun. Itlorick, J. B.
/Le! teY, 'nos. Noel, Sir G. White, Like
...Limo ,
Poiev, .y. it. Nugent, Lord Wood, Alderman
Palmer, C. F. Whitbread, S. C.
Lloribfatht .i.liV. Purse, P.
Jairse. J. C. Robarts, Colonel TrLTAUS.
Jen •' V' Ricardo, D. Hume, J.
°lles O. P. Stewart, W. Bennet, 110n.H.0.