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with his Bill for the regulation of the medical profession.
Mr:HAWES, sai4 that he had not the slightest in-
tention of proo3eding further with the Bill.
FACTORIES' BILL.
Lord J. RT:SSELL moved the Order of the Day re-
specting the 'Factories' Bill, for the purpose of discharg-
ing it.—Agi •eed to.
On the m Jtion of Lord J. RUSSELL several of the
Orders of tl le Day we:e called on for the purpose of
ft'sti)°,ll4l3F them. The Noble Lord stated that it was
ais iritention to proceed with the Bribery at Elections Bill
to-r-totrow, the F,celesiastical Commissioners Bill, and
tha New South TATales Bill.
HERTFORD REGISTRY.
Mr. Ster'J, the Town Clerk of Hertford, was then
foiled to th% Bar, and in answer to a ques-
tion from the SPICLKER, he stated that he pro-
duced a copy of the registry of Hertford ; but he
did not think he was bound to produce it, inas-
much as it belonged to the Magistrates of the county,
who had paid for it ; and there was no other copy.
The witness, amidst the loud laughter of the House,
here quietly walked off, taking with him the copy ; but,
having bran brought back again by officers of the House,
The SP:9-41(ER ordered that he should leave them
the copy of the register, and the House would see what
they shouZld do with it.
The copy of the register having been left in the House,
mad the • names having withdrawn,
Mr. T.. DUNCOMBE said that it was a matter of in-
differenco whether the copy belonged to the Magistrates
or not. The Clerk of the Peace was the person who was
answera' Ae to the House, and it was his duty to obey
their or lets. There could be no doubt that the Magis-
trates h. tel exceeded their power ; they had nothing at all
to do with the printing. It was extremely unjust to the
electors tJutt they should not be furnished with a printed
copy as provided by the Reform Act. Between the
Clerk of• the Peace and the Under-Sheriff the House had
been trif led with ; and if the House did not take deci-
sive stay the effect would be that the House would be
dissolve 3, and that the electors would be deprived of the
register . He believed that such had been the object of
the parries in refusing it. If an elector had applied for
a copy son the 30th of May, he would no doubt have been
atipplvatl with a copy at a charge of 251.; that was not
cower iplated by the Act. The Hon. Member Then
moved „that the copy of the register be no* laid upon the
table.

Mr. 7..STOOTAIT could see no sufficient ground for
taking she xygister from the custody of tho officer.
There -owl n o doubt that the order of the House had

been dis.!er,a-rded, but he saw no reason for imputing im-
proper 'anti res to the Clerk of the Peace, who was the
erva.nt (of the Magistrates, and had only acted under
their ordiut 3, and if the House should remove the register
front his custody, it would be impossible for him
than to en nply with the Act. He wznild not object to a
motion or 4 ering a copy of the register to be furnished
within a w eek, or any time which would he sufficient for
the purpoo e. The motion as it stood was quite inconsist-
ent with tt ,e practice of the House.
Mr. COWPER said that the electors of the
county of Hertford were in this difficulty, that any per-
son who Ivished to obtain a copy of the register must pay
for it tht, sum of 251. There could ha no doubt that
throughoi it the whole transaction there had been a de-
cided era ion of the orders of the House.

The SC tLICITOR-GENERAL thought this question
was very preperly brought forward.—(Hear, hear.) Ho
did not th Z lk it expedient to take the copy from the cus-
tody of tl te• person at the bar, but he would certainly
submit to tic Honse, that that person should be ordered
forthwith b) furnish the House with a copy. By the Re-
form Bill it was clearly the duty of the Clerk of the
Peace, as 5. oon as the register was revised, to be in a
situation tc furnish a copy to the public upon application.
The order of the House required a statement of the ex-
penses-attei ading the publication of the lists. That return
stated that the sum paid by the Magistrates was 891., but
that it way not, a sufficient remuneration for the labour of
preparing these lists. It being the duty of the Clerk of
the Peace za fturnisk copies to all parties at a reasonable
price, some difficulty arose as to how he was to be remu-
nerated. nut the Act said that the Sheriff and the Clerk
of the Perm were to be remunerated for any expenses
incurred '.n carrying into effect the provisions of the Act
by the tr easurer of the county, and therefore the Clerk
cf the. Peace was not interested except in so far as con-
cerned thi discharge of his public duty. His remunera-
tion (I'd not arise from the sums received by furnishing
copies to the public. He was paid by the treasurer. In
every county the electors were. required to pay ls. to-
wards the expenses of the registry ; and in the present
case there were several thousand electors, so that the sum
Must be very considerable; but that sum was not applied
to the expenses of the printing copies—it was paid to
the overseers, and was added to the Poor-rate of the
county. The representation of the county being
a matter of interest to the county, it was
considered advisable that the expenses should be
defrayed out of the county funds. It appeared to him
that the party at the bar had no excuse for refusing to
furaish a copy, inasmuuhi as it was a statutable duty im-
posed upon him withoet any condition. He was most
-unwilling to attribute motives to that gentleman, as he
believed him to be a very respectable person, but he ap-
Wpcered to him to be acting under some gross delusion.
When the application was made to the Under-Sheriff in
the first instance his answer (not a very respectful one)
was in substance " I want to know who is to pay me."—
(Hear, hear.) An Hon. Member had said "hear, hear,"
but he did not think that a safe principle to lay down.
—(Cheers.) Because if the House thought it necessary
to cull for the production of any document it was the
duty of the party, on whom the order was served, to fur-
nia it, in his power, otherwise no one could tell how
far the doctrine would go.—(Hear, hoar.) He did not
think the House would so far disregard every sense
of jirstice as to refuse proper remuneration to
the - party who had been put to expense in
complying with its orders, but it should not be met, in
the tiret instance, with the question of " How am I to be
paid ?"- The House had shown groat forbearance In
waiting ftom the 23d of March till now, the Bth of June,
and if :here was any longer delay the House would rise
without having its order complied with. Ho submitted
to the heave, therefore, that Mr. Storey be required to
delieervA „copy to the House forthwith, or, to prevent
any itvorteea:ence, hu would move that he be required
to furnieh a copy on Thursday next.
Mr. WYNN said there were two questions belonging
to the present case—the one was, as to the Clerk of the
1". sacs, net having -complied with the provisions of the
Reform act, and then there was his not having complied
with the order of that house. There was another point
'Which should not be lost sight of, and that was what was
The object of the Hon. Member in making the motion ?
New he
_presumed the object of the Hon. Member was
that the public should be supplied; but he did not think
the pubiieation of these lists by the House would tend to
say very great utility, because it would hold out an in-
ducement to the Clerks of the Peace to furnish copies to
the public and hero them printed at tho expense of the
House. It would be better, in his opinion, after the
copy wee laid on the table, to return it to the Clerk of
the Peaee, and to admonish him that he was bound by
law to furnish copies to the public at a reasonable price.
Sir 11. INGLIS said it was impossible for him to con-
cur in the suggestion of the Right Hon. Member for
Montgomeryshire (Mr. iNrynn). The object which
was required would be obtained by following the advice
of the Solicitor-General, and if his Right Hon. Friend
(Mr. Wynn) urged his suggestion, he (Sir R. Inglis)
ueisted the Ilou,c would not concur in it.

Mr. WYNN explained.
After a. few worli from Mr. C. WOOD and Sir E.
buGDLIN,

Sir IL PEEL did not think that the privilege of tho
Rouse was in any way called in question, so as to render
it necessary for Hon. Members to vindicate them. In
his opinion the best practical course in the present in,-
estance was that suggested by the Solicitor-General, and
at an early period of next Session a Committee should be
:Appointed to inquire into the best mode of obtainin7; co-
of registers of voters at the least possible expense.
Mr. T..I)UNCOMBE acceded to the course suggested
by the Solicitor-General, and as to withdraw his
motion.

The'rffotion wits then withdrawn, and the amendment
of the SAileitor-General agreed to.
Mr. Slorey was then called to the bar, and
The SPEAK
;It read to him the order of the House,
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directing hirn.to cause a copy of the register of the
01'5 the dee-
*.county of Hertford to be presented to the
.
House on-Thursday next.
The witness stated that it would be impossible for him
to have it prepared on that day ; and, in reply to a ques-
tion from Sir Edward Sugden, he said that it would take
Nun three weeks to have a copy prepared.—(Hear, hear,
-and hinghter.)
The witness was then ordered to withdraw.
The ATTORICHY-GENERAL said he had a feeling
at first in favour of the person at the bar, but after his
late exhibition, he certainly thought him contumacious.
--
- (Hear, hear.) There could be no doubt the copy could
be made within twenty-four hours' or half the time if ne-
esesary.-4Hear, hear.)
Mr. ESTCOURT said he did not think the gentleman
at the bar -was contumacious, but that he was acting
under an erroneous impression.
Several Hon. Members rose to speak, when the Speaker
reminded the House there was no question before it.
ST. ALBAN'S ELECTION.
3111 r. W. WYNN moved that Mr. Attorney-General
be directed to prosecute Dr. Richard Webster for bribery
at the last_,,Bt. Alban's election. He would put it to the
Ilotise whOther there was not sufficient evidence laid on
the table to enable the house to institute judicial pro-
eeedtngq‘ .eit was proved that Dr. Webster gave two per-
sons, named Stabbings and Adams loi. for their votes in
favour of the sitting Member. Adams was a person who
went by the name of "lying Adams," and his evidence
therefore night not be to be depended on, but they had
in addition the evidence of a clergyman that Adams
came on thirlitatings during the election, bearing in his
hand a small paper packet, which was opened in the
presence of the candidates and all the electors. That
the Mayor said "What is this ?" and Adams replied,
"It is money, two five-pound notes•and two sovereigns,
given rue to vote for Lord Listowel by Dr. Webster."
Dr. Webster appeared to be the chief mover in the busi- '
nes of the election, and he (Mr. W. Wynn) could well
conceive why the Committee had come to the conclusion
which they had come to, that he did not act under the
directions of Lord List:ve], for in fact, he was the prin-
cipal and not . the agent. He (Mr. W. Wynn) looked
tri)on this es a case of peculiar importance. If Dr. 'Web-
ster had any evidence by which this charge could be
net, he would have an opportunity of producing it,
but he (Mr. W. Wynn) would ask any Hon.
Membev whether if he sat on a Grand
Jury, and this evidence had been given before him,
bcir,e, would have hesitated to indorse " a true bill?" The
y answer he had heard to his motion was an inquiry
whether h;Laddidbenoent also look at the election at Walsall.
If there
. fifty persons guilty of bribery at
Walsall, that vas n
forcr2crd this charge ':11Z1boe,11 :why he should not bring
also been"said that Dr. Wel,:y at St. Alban's. It had
might be prosecuted by
a qui tem aetiou, hut ht, ter
very wrong if it was satisfied?uNytt,, stiaioelse he
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