The Sun.
London, England, 1841-09-18 00:00:00

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eve ne,,,;ociate with foreign countries whether we would
relieve our own people from a vexatious law under which
they suffered ? and were the manufacturing and com-
mercial interests of this country to be told that they
were not to be relieved from their restrictions, unless it
Teased the Governments of France, Portugal, Brazil,
?and the United States, to assent to certain things, and
to say whether they would permit those relaxations or
not? He (Lord Palmerston) said, that what they had
proposed was good in itself, and ought te be adopted
without reference to such negotiations.—(Cheers.) Bat
would they not have been in a much better position if
they had adapted these measures before negotiation ?
Would any man tell him that negotiations with the
Brazils would not be carried on in a better spirit—if
Parliament had adopted the measures they proposed, if
they were able to say, not only that they wished for free.
dom of commerce, but also that they practised it as far
as the existing state of things would permit ?—(Cheers.)
When we begged them to get rid of their restrictions and
monopolies, would not our words have ten times the effect
they now had, if we could refer then: to oar own example?
And unless we did so, when we applied to France and
'other Powers to reduce their tariffs, would they not bid
,us remember what we did in 1341, when we said restric-
tion was necessary for our interests, and tell us that they
only said the same—(Cries of " Hear, hear.")
It was true that with regard to France there was a dis-
tinct negociation going on for a reduction of the tariff of
both countries, and undoubtedly if those negociations
}had come to a satisfactory conclusion. and the English
Government had consented to a considerable reduction
of the duty on brandy., it would have been necessary for
the Chancellor of the Exchequer t o have made some
provision fur the temporary deficit that would have been
thereby occasioned. But the French Government were
told that as • the negotiation was not concluded
in the early part of last year, it could not be
concluded until the beginning of next year, be-
cause it was inconvenient to do so at a long
veriod before it could he submitted to Parliament.
for its sanction. He said, therefore, for these reasons,
that he thought the country would not consider the rea-
sons assigned by the Government satisfactory for not
being within a short period from the present time pre-
pared to state fully and fairly their views and intentions
with respect-to the great questions that agitated the
minds of the country ; and he again said he ahould
be
greatly mistaken if Honourable Gentlemen opposite did
mot feel that, hoWever backed they might be by a majo-
rity of the House, they would not be backed by the opi-
nions or any great class or interest in this country.—
(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet prided himself,
and justly, en the einice which he had reale >fthe Lord
Lieutenant and Secretary Fa- lieland. His Noble Friend
fl..erd John Ressell) with that nsnikeess and can
ilour which distiee;aished hiat, was first

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had merely said that so far as the appointments went
they were indications of that meesere, and he (Lord
Palmerston) could only hope that the opinions of the
Right Hon. Baronet of the appointments would he borne
out, not only to his own satisfaction, but also to that of the
people of Ireland, fur it was not less true now than for-
inerly that Ireland was the great difficulty of persons taking
office. The Right Hon. Baronet had stated frankly that he
-would not hold office longer than would enable him to
-act upon his own opinion. He had no doubt that the
Right Hon. Baronet would ant upon that declaration.
Everything in his past life confirmed his statement, but
he (Lord Palmerston) should be sorry to consider that
intimation on his part as any guarantee that his opinions
would be tarred out, fur when he saw the homogenous
:mass of opinions entertained be the great party by whom
it was supported, and when 'he knew how widely the
opinions of many of them differed from those he (Sir
R. Peel) himself entertained, he mast say that, how,-
oever satisfactory his statement might be as regarded his
:personal intentions, it could not be considered as any gua-
rantee that he would be able to act on his opinion. How-
.ever, with regard to that, time alone would show; but he
could only think that the Right Hon. Baronet had lot
given any satisfactory reasons for abstaining thus from
stating those opinions which a man of his knowledge,
capacity, and attention to public affairs must have
forraed.—(Hear, hear.) The only opinion the country
could form on the studied silence of the Government
was that it .was not at present a united Government.
That was the opinion they would come to, and there-
fore it was doubly necessary to have prevented that
opinion, that the Right lion. Baronet should come be-
fore the House as the representative of a united Go-
vernment with the measures they proposed, or, if it was
-correct, that it should be admitted and fairly stated to
the country. If the country were given fairly to under-
stand that the reason of the delay was that the Govern-
ment was not agreed as to the measures that ought
to be proposed, the good sense of the country would
probably induce them to bear it, only he (Lord Palener-
ston) would suggest that in such case the results might
be obtained before February next ; and that, as stated
by hiS Noble Friend, the Right lion. Baronet would be
able to state in October what was the decision of the
Cabinet—what they were prepared to offer, and what
they were determined to resist.—(Cheers.)
Mr. VILLIERS, who was for some time inaudible
in consequen-ce of the noise occasioned by Members
leaving the House, said that he could not loose the op-
portunity of expressing his opinion that the feeling that
would be entertained by millions in the country with
respect to the conduct of the Government would
be that of intense disappointment.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
Nothing could be more unsatisfactory than the course
about to be taken, unless it were the reason assigned for
it. During the last year nothing had been done, but
waitirg until this hour should 'arrive. What remedy
would be applied to the great grievances of the people ?
All the business of the country had been delayed on the
ground that the men in power had not the confidence of
the country, and that men better able to conduct the
Government were ready to take their places. The Right
lion. Baronet had created every obstruction to the Go-
vernment until he drove them out, on the ground that he
was ready to form an efficient Government. Now, the
people had for four years unceasingly complained of the
Corn-laws, and had shown that the predictions made
when those laws were enacted had literally been fulfilled.
Evidence to that effect had been substantiated before a
Committee of the House, but it had been rejected
by the opposite side, on the ground that it was
one-sided and partial. But evidence had been offered
at the Bar of the House, where a partial inquiry could
not be suspected. But that was refused, and when Go-
vernment admitted that the grievance was great, and
that the remedy could not longer wisely or Justly be
postponed, and when a united Cabinet produced a mea-
sure which, although it did not meet all the necessities of
the case, would yet remove many evils and do great good.
Every obstruction was offered by the Right Hon. Baronet
until he drove that Cabinet from office, and now he re-
fused to allow the question to be discussed. The whole
year had beea lost by those obstructions, and now the
Right Hon- Baronet required five months to make up his
opinion. It was inconvenient, indeed, for Gentlemen to
remain in town. Why, then, did they not make the in-
quiry before ? How would their reason satisfy the people
who were starving in consequence of that law ? He
knew there were questions upon which the Right Hon.
Baronet ought to be allowed time, but this was one upon
which his opinion must be completely formed, and the
people will not think that by the postponement they will
get a better measure. The Hon. Baronet had taken into
his Cabinet men known to be the most determined friends
of monopoly.—(oh, oh.) Why the Gentlemen who had
lately gone back to their constituents, had said a great
deal about attachment to the state and to the church,
and the favours they had received from the First Lord
of the Treasury, but not a word about the monopoly of
food which they maintained to keep up their rents. He
had never known such sedition spoken by the working
men as was uttered by those gentlemen when out of
office. They had endeavoured to bring the Sovereign
into contempt.—(oh, oh). The cap seemed to fit how-
ever.—(Opposition cheers). He believed, however, that
no Sovereign was more popular than she had become
since, she showed her desire to relieve the wants of the
people.—(Cheers-) It was dangerous to make the
Rouse. Gentlemen oppositeople believe that they could hope for nothing from that
were making still smaller
n
the party, which was already small, of those who thought
that the people would receive justice from Parliament.
—(Hear.) The upper classes always taught an unfortu-
nate lesson to the people, which drove them to violence.—
(Hear.) They perverted -the purpose of representation,
and instead of discussing questions in that House, they
compelled the people to discuss them oat of doors, where
this question would eventually. be decided. The course
of the Right Hon. Baronet was unwise and unjust,
would cause the country to be agitated for the nee
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months.
Mr. BROTH& .
TZTON said that great dis'
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..heel pre-
railed for the last ... worlicin,, classes,
and years amono-st th- "'"-,
A me b
it was increasing. , lus4 been held at
... rest to proro7,ue Par-
.
'lament until something had' '
Manchester to address the Queer
Jeer. done to relieve trade,
Iti:d esp-,ciallv in respect t,, the provision laws. It was
the general belief that ',ap, distress was occasioned by the
torn-laws, and the. distress was constantly increasing,
in 18t.i6 there vir24 net a mill idle, noorfa house uninha°-
mills standing
lited ; but now there were, a number
*till, and ho.ndreds of houses and cottages . unoccupied.
Rohe Mini
• - Jters would incur great
relieving this
responsibility- if they
;allowed the, winter to pass over without
ittppallimer.
distress, or at • least letting people know what
;they iw.ended to do. If they said they intended to do no-
.
ftbint,: people would know how to employ their capit..."____
ert. car, hear.) He cared for no party. He said ',perish
?Tarty, but give the people bread."—(Chee'ls.)
there wars no argil-
nent so good in that, douse as a ma-
jority ; but.He knew
Fee would implore ti..,, Government to give
seine indi":-ion of their intent= allay the anxiety of
, ..on to a -
Ile suf.'. ring people.
11".- WARD could n.„ hel p
.:2nr..nications made saying that, after the corn-
lhe,-
'east night and this night, the sooner
i.ot-Teclin.gs of the house were brought to a close
o,..lbetter; -
;Jr people would cease to look to the House
with any nope. He was willing to give the Right Hon.
Barone;, a fair trial, as he had fairly won his place ; but
filpon this question of the monopoly of corn, he ought to
a,c prep/And to state his views. The Right Hon. Baro-
/iet kstd said that he would not condescend to work out
l'he -Jpinioa4 of others, but that next year he would be
repared to present a measure of a united Cabinet.
7-.3ie (Mr. Ward) did rot conceive that any alteration
'x hick would give a large coneession to the people,
twostid be made by the Duke of Buckingham, or by the
ight lion. Member for Kent, Wao had instantly op-
,posed even that paltry measure for admitting bonded
>1- ; 'flour. He did not anticipate inuel. eit':c r from the Right
----' •Ilen. Gentleman, the V ice-President of the Board of
Tas,de, after a speech lie had lately made ;
and such a
i:tate. of things held oat the mostunfavourable prospects.
i,tf,h4 .distress in the roanufaeturmg districts could not be
ii ' rated. He coulci s; to that in the town of tTi:it,f-
''fier4 Which he ' had th:, honour to represent, :3,1191) I
k s were now unt‘niantecl. Under those circum-
- ces, he thought that the House and the country
bad a right to expect from the Right Hon. Baronet a
sore explicit declaration than is hid made.