The Sun.
London, England, 1841-04-07 00:00:00

EVENING EDITIO

One of the committee said it would be no use to enter
into any arrangement, as the masters would not take the
biggest part of us back. Williams also said it would
be of no use, and that the masters wanted two or three
volunteers to shift the knobsticks; there was no direct
answer given to that, but one of the committee said we
' didn't need anything of that sort; the meeting then
broke up ,but as we were going down staira Williams
' swore he'd be d—d if he didn't shift some of them; I
went away from the house then, and Williams followed
me; that was about half-past three o'clock •he said
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the union funds were done, and that something should
gesetrt
Kennedy to know if there was a letter going to Liver-
pool, as we sent to Liverpool every week to get money
' from the union fund. While we were speaking, Robert
Kenworthy came up, and said he had been applying to
get his. wife out of the Lunatic Asylum. lie then left,
and Williams and I went on together to Ralph Ken-
' worthy. Ralph, his wife, and Mrs. Marshall were inside.
After some time Williams beckoned Ralph and myself out.
' We went. I asked Ralph if Hardwick was going to
write to Liverpool. Ho said he was. Then Williams
said, " We should do something to get rid of these
knobsticks; the union fund is done, or nearly so; we
have had a letter to that effect." He had also said,
" We must either get shut of them or we may starve in
the streets." Isle said, " Your pipe, Jack and me have
got ready; we have loaded it with that powder that you
(Ralph) and myself sent for." He said, " I have some
fine powder in my pocket to lay a train that it may run,
and I want you (Ralph) to watch while Jack lets it
off, to see that nobody takes it." Ralph said, "I don't
know; it's a dangerous thing to bo seen with; will it do
any harm ?" Williams said, " No ; it will only give them a
bit of a start," Ralph said, " I'll never mind going then if
Davies (meaning me) will go with me." I said, " Provided
no injury is intended, I'll go." Williams said, " There
will not; if you meet me at the King's Head, I'll send
Jack the other road with it, and I will come through
Duckinfield." He also said, that "if we were not at
the King's Head soon we should meet him in Scotland-
place." Ralph then went into his house, Williams went
off, and I went to the King's Head, and from there to
Samuel Hardwick's. I spoke to Hardwick at his house.
From Hardwick's I went back again to the King's Head,
but, not findirg Williams there, I went to Scotland-place,
and I met Williams just over the canal bridge. Ho asked
me if Ralph was come ; I said, " No ; 1 expected him
here " He said, "He is most likely up at the place with
Jack." Duckinfield bridge is not a hundred yards from
the canal bridge. Williams then said, " come up this
way (Scotland-street), Jack will be up yonder." We
were then going in a direction nearer to Whitfield's.
Will'ams then told me to put his under coat on,
that I should be disguised, and he would keep on his
tap-coat. First, he proposed that we should change
coats, but I staid my ccat wouldn't fit Lim, and that
I would do very well as I was. We didn't change
coats. We thee went up to Scotland-brook, and came
into Stamford-street, where we turned to the right to-
wards Whitfield's. As we went along he took me up to
the gable-end ot Mr. Swift's house, and said, " thou hast
nothing to defend thyself with," I said, " No; I didn't
want any thing ;" and he pulled a knife out and put it it,
my hand, but I retorted it to him. He said, "Jack
must be protected; 1 will lose my life before Jack shall
be taken." fle then took up a stone and said, " we'll
go on, and when we get near the spot whistle, and Jack
will know that lam here." We then went towards the
saw-pit, I first, and he following me, and when we got
eitbin fourteen or fifteen yards of it, immediately
after Williams told me to whistle, there tsar a flash.
The flash consisted of a long trail ot fire running along
the ground a yard or more. Hulme was Wiesia two
yards cf the flash. He stood opposite the side of the
pit. The report was a very heavy one. Hulme then
came running towards me and kept on towards Stamford-
street ; there I lost sight of him ; I never saw him again
until he was in custody. Williams ran with me, and I
passed him before he got six yards. We passed some
buildings called Scurrab's buildiagF, where we heard a
woman cry out, " Good God I what made that noise."
We eent through Penny-meadow. At the Tontine Hied
we met William Marsden ,and William Newton. At
that time Williams was walking along mi:h me, for we
then ceased to run. I went down Wellington-street ;
the prisoner was with me at the time. We went through
the Market.plaee before we got to Wellingtor.-.treet. We
west through Holt-street, Portland-street, and over the
canal bridge leading to Walkmill. He crossed near the
new square is Scat-mord street, close to Dr. Wood's place.
I parted from Williams at the junction of two canard ; he
went off towards Duekiefield, along the, footpath. Befere
he left, he wished me to go through Oldham ; he said, as
there is Lkely to he a bother about this, we had better go
out in the country. As we were passing two sawyers,
that were working at Mr. Gill's, he said, " I wi h that
long b—," meaning a man named Massy, " had a
couple of bullets in him," I said I didn't wish any one
to be shot. He said, "If Jack has (Attsted yon piece
right, he has made a job of him.'' When I left Ralph
Kenworthy's the !reit time that afterncom I vent across the
market place I was taken into custody at eight o'clock
on the night of the 11th of Dscember ; I can't say whe-
ther Williams was taken up the same eight, but I saw
him in the Court the Wednesday followieg ; we were
then sent to Dreyl- den, and in about a fortnight after we
core brought up in the lock-up to be shaven;
the two Elsrdwiekv, and myself, were left together; Wil-
liams said to the Hardwicks, "I hope there will be no
splicing on this—Jack is a little good-'uri, I shouldn't
like him to be hurt—l would sooner hang like a pound of
candles than split on him ;" we were sent that night to
Kirkdale gaol on a charge of conspiracy, not of murder;
while at Kirkdale, 1 said to Williams that this was a very
serious job, that a good many eerie taken up on it,
that 90111,! innocent person might suffer death for et,
and that if I knew he would have gone su far I woulr'an't
have gone with him ; he said, t• Oh ! never mind `it; it
will never be found out;" I said I was sure ;;•t would
come out; be said, no one on ear,h knows, 'anything
about it outside—only me and Jack ; &unreel Hardwick
then joined us ; the same was said in Vis presence ; I
said I was sere it would come out—thest murder could
never be kept secret long; he said it never would come
out. ( Witness can here handed a paper. Y., I saw this before
at Beckwith's ; Williams gave it to me he said it Con-
tained some good receipts for making Lucifer: matches, and
for making fire without light ; I was examined before the
Magistrates on this charge ; I did not tell tree whole ac-
count on that occasion exactly as I told it to-dayt; I omitted
the last pat t about the discharge of the cannon.
Cross-examined by Mr. WILKINS—I have been se saw) er
for twenty years, perhaps, and during the greater-. part
of the time I was a resident of Ashton. What I told on
my first examination was true. There might be seamo
parts that stem not exactly as I have recollected since e,
but they were as nearly as possible correct. Robert •
Newton and Hayes, apprehended me, at my own house.
I did not then give Newton the account I have now given.
I can't tell exactly what I told hire,. I perhaps might
have said that I neither knew nor heard of any man having
been shot. I seas touch agitated at the time. I can't
recollect havirg told him so. I said that I had heard
nothing about Whi:field's men. I told Newton what
iirne left the King's Head, but I do not now re-
collect what the time wee I mentioned to him the
names of the persons who had been with me there, but
I cannot say that I mentioned the name of Williams.
rvvent on the tramp on the 2d of October. I cent to look
fOr work. I did not go express to solicit subscriptions for
the Such ty ; but the Committee gave me a book, and said
that if I could get anything I might. I asked for sub..
scriptions at Burnley, but not at any other of the many
places to which I went. I have been in Kirkdale gaol up
to the present time, Mr. Newton has visited me there
two or three times. I once threatened Williams that if
the pipe acre not made away with I would let
somebody know, so that the matter would come out.
That was on the 18th of November, the night on which I
took the pipe home. I told my wife a lie about it. I
said that it was a parcel of tools belonging to a man who
would call for it. I was anxious thai the pipe should
be destroyed. There were some pits near my house. I
poured water into the pipe during the absence of my wifo.
Samuel Hardwick examined—Was secretary for a few
months of the Sawyers' Society at Aehton. Was at the
King's Head on the afternoon of the murder, about two
o'clock. There was a meeting of the club, in a room
up stairs, in which all general meetings were held.
Davies, Williams, himself, and brother were there.
Hulme was not a member of the club, but had frequently
seen him at
,the King's Head. A—t
that
meeting witness
proposed, after the accounts had been gone through, that
a deputation should be sent to the masters. Somo
doubted the utility of such a thing, and opposed it; but
others recommended it. Joseph Marshall
saidit
that teas
ifa
very good proposition. Williams said,
in
the
o r end,three. good
nothing could be (lane, he only wanted two
volunteers. Did not remain in the room many minutes
after thee Was taken into custody, and had remained in
gaol ever since. At the station-house, remembered Wil-
liams saying to those present, of
that he should net like any spitting,whom there were five,
and rather than that
any harm should come to Jack lie would hang like a
Davies was once saying
pound of candles. At Kirkdale,
world suffer, the innocent as well
as the guilty. e
that a great many people
lie
rd► " How the devil can they
bring any one in, when no eone knows but Jack,
and
thee, and me ?"
• lc on the Saturday night previous to
Henry Hardwick, y King's Head, when W'll. 11MR or.
the murder, was
at
ago wing 'so
• to Old
dered Job Arundel,
1lb:of °bllnag • Oldham for 10a.,
bring back
towith him sting powder. Arundel
Vash of powder, which Mirens gave to
brought bee
' H d
at the mg s ea on afternoon of
the nowder, when the reconciliation was proposed, and
Williams said, " Oh, it is no use; I oily want five or
good volunteers to settle i:." Within a day or two
after the murder, in the lock•up, Williams and be were
speaking tcgether, and witness said, " I wonder whether
the man was killed dead," Williams answered. " Why.
man, there were five or six bullets in him, end I am only
sorry that there was not another served out." Be men-
tioned also thtt it had been intended to fire one of the
cannons in Goldthorpe's pit. At the Liverpool gaol,
mentioned to Williams that Davies was telling all he
knew abort it; on which Williams wished that he were
dead. Asked him whether Davies knew anything that
would criminate him, and he answered, " Yes, be knows
all about it," Then asked him whether be had said
that it was Milne who bad fired the shot, and he said,
" I might base let it slip in conversation." The
book produced was an entry of payments,
it an entry ef made by him
on account ef the Society. There i wasn
55., which witness had paid to Williams for Hulme, who,
he said, had spent that much amongst the sawyers. wee
with Heliee in the lock-up at Ashton, in the same cell.
nalme started a-pt eying, and wanted me to pray too.
Witness made no reply. Hulme prayed aloud and re id,
" How can I stand before thee, 0 God. and ask for for..
• since I have taken life I I have taken what I
gi‘eness,
time
cannot give.' Some during the night in question,
Williams was put to us, and on the following morning they
both knelt down and prayed together. Hulme was that
speaker. He said, " I pray thee, 0 God, to bless the
woman whom eve have made a widow, and the childntle
whom we litis,u made fatherless."

Job Arundel—Was sent over to Oldham on the sth De.
cembcr. Thcre were present, whop be was sent, Ralph