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Period of the Administration, instead of leas-
*to _the.' sSueh.:-a proceeding, so far
cierki forwarding; would have.. the iminediate ten-
of tbrowingsimpeditnents in the way-. When
• 'fliraosities were talked of, he. wa§.not aware that
a's'Y existed-i'vhich•would,preve-nt the country from
,e'PY.iog. the aclvantage.,of those talents which . it
na-salie wish. of alLto.h.,a; v.e combined, in case they •
eltoilhl have agreed-- upon, principles consistent. with
t
qr -mutual eharacters. Honourable Gentle;,
had sporr the power Of the Crown ta
.i.all'unor:individtials, of. public talents being
; but however the abstract theory
t " appear, .he • did -not see how, in this freecOWr» it 1s
capable of a.practical application.
,tre renal before the .House Was, whether
•N'"Y- would corne,:to a-vote, declaring the incom-
':-.-'Zl.Pf4ey, of the-...pre§ent_iAdministration? He was..
proceeding
..to a consideration cif this
,'444.thcv-wouldhave- a comparative view of men, .
44'deterinine not only. upon
,the.positive merits -
•,(f di.Gse now power, but upon the probability
c'htaining the assistance of the -Gentlemen op-
fr'site• Both the Noble Lords bad designatedthe
1,. ministration-in 4(1 •
nistration-in terms, -which he did not
'think'.
.;'lll'anted by fact. Even supposing that the pre-
'itmen were those who were driven out in the
tar 1804 ; he meant no dispargement to any Gen-
t•-man in the House, and he was sure it- would
'ot be regarded as such, when he said,--that there
. .
no-individual to whom the country looked at.
.ti.i)re*nt with the same -degree of confidence as it
.1.141 to -either of the two great men then living.
e would , challenge the Noble Lord, when he
t
calked-of an Administration removed for incapa-
-41!; to shew, whether at any period greater ex-
itions had been made, or whether greater or more
il'
iversal support had ever been 'given to any.
fhe Hon. Gentleman opposite-had alluded to the.
CthOlie QueStion, and that. being :said to. be no
71ter.a Cabinet -question, objection had been taken
the principle. of Cabinet questions altogether;
it if.'heYreeollected rightly, he had often heard it
orte as a matter of to Lord Gren-
-I''lT, that he had carried the question of the ago--t'tion of the- slave..trade by making. it a Cabinet-1 .
ile•; and the fact was that there must be at .all'
alegitimate ,Iriftuerme exercised by Govern-.
1,....".5t in such caies. Bin it had-bien aidth at if the
„'"e'iN: Ir. Perceval --had not -made it a Government
‘PitiOn,- it would. have been carried. Was it not ,
t'4l' theii fo.• Government .tO say -they would try it
~P°n that issue, and-not make it a GovernMent
'o't•tietion any longer ?' They must limit the numbers
=if the Administration much more thah they were,- ,
t‘heyO did not allow' them to differ upon any: sub- .
Ai,`'`•• n the' subject to which he now alluded,
Were at liberty to .act 'as. they pleased:. He
S 4 wlik) inconsistency in an arrangement of this kind,.
ally Impropriety ' in the determination of cer-
individuals to act together for the benefit of
• "e•Sta.te though- there might be found to exist
*a_
.16 ggt theM some shades -of difference upon
partieular points'.. "He had thought it niecesto--state so-much, to bring back the question .
tQ its trnexiate.- He, for one, heartily joined in
that.all public men could. he brought
4" the public service, -consistently with their ho-
4'''' but fie Would. riot. all6W that there was any
i)te of incapacity against the present Ministers:
:,a,•si it :a ..vote of incapacity to call for assistance-?
17.'4116 4et.of men call upon another set to join
u' .voting their own incapacity by: the
that He hOped, upon all those grounds,.
• noble
they -would meet the last proposition of the :
Lord, and declare whether .the present .
A. •
/,ctin inistration possessed the confidence of the
. - •
brLord YARAI UTH said, that the negoeiation was
° kenoff in consequence of a.disagreeMent re-
tPecting the Officers: of the HouSehold. It was
Stating
instruction, and they took every mean. of
atitig• it in every, quarter, that the removal of the
presentll Household would app-ear as if the Govern-
efitiwas forced on the Prince Regent. He spoke
lot here of one or two Officers, bat of 'a larg
changeer
n" Proportion than had ever been removed upo
~ of Adniinistration. They, on being .ap,,
toed
to, had declared .that they only wished-to
aow ten minutes before certain Gentlemen re-
' Zeived the seals, upon which warning they should
e prepared to resign. Before God and his coun-
ZY, be would declare 'that he'could see no other
71tive for insisting upon-this as-a preliminary, but
it desire to offer humiliation.
PONS'ONBY said, that after what had taken -
see, the House would naturally expect that he
Auldt. offer himself to their attention, and if he
c)("k up a greater portion of their time than he
sl
usually in the habit of occupying, he hoped
Q'iseY would hear him patiently.- As to what the
Lcwd who spoke last had ,said, he heard it
.°L' the first time to-night. Who the Right Ho- .
ZlukableGentkrtian alluded toby the Noble Lord,
h. taking so large a share in the Negotiation, was,
e did not know, but he could say that no corn
th-
arlication was- made to or to Lords Grey
find Grenville,of the description stated. He be-
tl'ved also, that there never was a conjecture
°re injurious 'or, unfoUnded than that of the
11()hle Lord,' when he ascribed the preliminary
;..etNired to an intention of humiliation to one
t°se dignity- it must be the wish and in-
rest of all to support. He did not know the
ght Hon. Gentleman alluded to, but be was
cUrthat if such a fact had come to the know-
edge of those who did him the honour to act with
they would not have forborne to communi-
cate it. All the individuals concerned in the ne-
plciation 'were at present in the House, and if he
6 not speak correct/he begged to be contradict-
,t,l by the. On the 21st of last,month, the House
voted an Address to his Royal Highnes‘, pray-
, , -that he would take measures to appoint a
'rg and efficient Administration. The Ho-
, ourable Gentleman opposite. (Mr. Stewart Wort-
p,) had made that motion the House, and
rWould ask him, on his honour, as a Gen-
Leman, whether he had had, any communica-
°ll 'with him, (Mr. Ponsonby,) or- with those
1,.
14:0 acted with him, previously to that period.?
e Address did not proceed from his side of- the
1 t°llse, nor was it passionately or laboriously pa-
*()ai d
Iby He recollected there were but
i.°o
ze
Members spoke from it, he had said nothing
4;4-ts
uL. ell. He was aware of the insinuations to
t "'eh it would expose him ; neither was it cor-
, 3!. Ct to state that two-thirds of the majority con-
. 74ted of Members of that side.' did not re,