The Sun.
London, England, 1847-02-02 00:00:00

L PA it L I AMEN T.

DERBY.
Van Tromp was backed for 3001. at 15 to 2, which
odds were offered throughout the afternoon ; Epirote
was a point worse, and net in demand ; Planet,
on the other hand, was in force, at an improved
quotation, and layers of anything above 20 to 1 agst Glentilt
could have been accommodated ; 4 to 1 taken freely about
Red Hart, 40 and 45 to about Lunedale, 1000 to 20 three
or four times, and afterwards 4000 to 100 about Horn of
plenty, 1000 to 20 each about projectile, The Liberator,
Christopher, and Will o' the Wisp, 1000 to 15 several times
about Black Dwarf and some others, at liberal odds. We
give the closing averages :-
100 to 100 agst Kent's lot—taken and afterwards offered
1000 to 25 agst Sir G. Heathcote's lot—taken
15 to 2 agst Lord Eglinton's'VanTromp—t. and aft. off.
10 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Epirote
15 to 1 agst Mr. 111ostyn's Planet—taken
20 to 1 agst Mr. Mostyn's Glentilt •
35 to 1 agst Sir R. Pigot's Conyngham—take 40 to 1
35 to 1 agst Mr. Payne's Sister to Cobweb c—taken
40 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Lunedale
40 to 1 agst Duke of Richmond's Red Hart—t. freely
40 to 1 agst Lord Caledon s Wanota
40 to 1 agst Mr. Irwin's Horn of Chase—t. and af. off.
50 to 1 agst Mr. Mostyn's Projectile—taken
50 to 1 agst Mr. O'Brien's The Liberator—taken
50 to 1 agst Mr. A. W. Hill's Will o'-the-IVisp—taken
50 to 1 agst Mr Bouverie's War Eagle—taken
3000 to 50 agst Col. Anson's Bingham—taken
3000 to 40 agst Mr. Ford's Clarendon—taken
1000 to 15 agat Mr. Mostyn's West India Planter—taken
1000 to 15 agst Mr. Fuller's Oxonion—take 100 to 10 .
1000 to 15 agst Mr. Terry's Limestone—taken
OAKS.
2,000 to 100 agat Lord Strathmore's Sultan—taken.
500 to 25 agst Capt. Harcourt's Ellerdale—taken
1,000 to 20 agst Mr, Cheshire's Ellen Horn—taken.

The late Mr. Phillimore's stud came to the hammer, yes-
terday, at Messrs. lattersall's, and the following lots sold,
viz. :—Fliztztone, for 155 guineas; Lady Laura, 70 guineas;
Skeleton, 56 guineas; and a yearling filly, by Sir Hercules,
out of Mistletoe, 18 guineas; Potentia was bought in for
355 guineas.

110175 E OF LORDS, Feb. 1.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Wool-
sack shortly, before Five o'clock.
NEW PEERAGE.
The Earl of ELLESMERE was introduced by the Earl
of Wilton and the Earl St. Germans, and having been
sworn took his seat on the Earls' bench
LUNATIC ASYLUMS.
The Duke of RICHMOND gave notice that he should,
to-morrow night, move for the re•eppointment of the Se-
lect Commitee on Pauper Lunatic Asylums which had
existed two years ago.
THE POOR IN IRELAND.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE laid several papers
on the table relative to the state of the poor in Ireland.
PROPERTY IN IRELAND.
Earl MOUNTCASHEL moved for the returns of
which he gave notice the other night, for all the present-
ments which had been made to the Court of Chancery
in Ireland, and all the attachments that had been issued
by that Court, distinguishing those which respected the
property of lunatics an& minors, together witji the
accounts showing how far the moneys had been paid
during the last year.
Lord BROUGHAM said it was utterly impossible to
obtain the returns, even if they were confined to the
specific object, at least for any useful purpose.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that they could
(mi). be obtained by some officer of the Court searching
through all the documents which had been presented at
the Court between the Ist of January, 1846, and the Ist
f January, 1847 ; stud even if they were obtained, it
would be at so late a period as not to be available for the
preent session. At the same time they must, of neces-
sity, be very imperfect.
Lord BROUGHA M—Of course ; for even if the docil•
ments were searched the accounts would be wrong, for the
payments on affairs of previous years would be neces-
sarily mixed up with the return.
Earl MOUNTCASHEL said that his desire was to
obtain a fair representation of the state of affairs in
Ireland, especially when it was likely there would be
great calls upon it ; and that it would prove of great
service if the returns were made, for the information
was necessary not only for the House but for the troundrY•
and that was the reason why he desired to oblein thew•
were not sufficiently informed as to the state of
property, or the management of landed property in
Ireland. He was sure that if their Lordships knew the
truth they would not torm so mistaken a judgment of
the liability of the landlords and these interested in the
soil of Ireland ; still, if their Lordships were of
opinion that this was not the proper mode o
obtaining the information he required, he should be
happy to adept any other form.
The LORD CHANCELLOR thought the object the
Noble Lord had in view might be obtained by the adnr
tion of a simple form, namely, by stating the amount
paid by receivers in that year, and moneys paid in to
account of lunatics.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE did not think that
a motion so worded would answer the purpose, for it
would altogether depend on the manner in which the
tenantry paid the rants. As far as he (the Marquis of
Clanricarde) could understand, his Noble Friend cool:
plained that they paid no rents at all. He understood
his Noble Friend to wish for a return of the real state
of property in Ireland, and he thought, therefore, that
some way should be adopted to get from the receivers
the sums paid in by them to the Masters in Chancery..
The Earl of MOUNTCASHEL then withdrew his
motion.

IRELAND.—MORTGAGED ESTATES.
The Earl of MOUNTCASIIEL then moved for a
return of the total amount of the sums appearing to be
due for debt, damages, and costs, upon all decrees, order*
and judgments in Ireland, re-docketed pursuant to the
Act of 9th Geo. IV., cap. 35, or registered pursuant to
the 7th and Bth Viet., cap. 99, and now appearing to be
re-docketed or registered in the office for registering
judgments in Ireland ; distinguishing those which are
in debt from those which are in case.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH thought that if thig
motion were carried out the officers of the Court Would
be always employed upon it and the other business of
the office. If the Noble Lord could frame his motion to
such a way as not to incommode or hinder the other
business of the Courts, he should be very happy to give
his consent to it, but, as at present framed, the motion
was quite impracticable.
The LORD CHANCELLOR agreed with the Noble •
Lord who had last spoken, that the order would, is tue
first place, be impracticable, and, in the second, useless!
if obtained. When it was so very difficult to find out
a judgment in one particular case, he would leave
their Lordships to judge of the impracticability when
applied to all mankind. They would have a return
.4?f
..
dt bts comprising, perhaps, two or three hundred 011
lions, and yet they would not be able to say what Pro.
portion of that sum remained unpaid.
Lord BROUGHAM—There was another reason.
which completely demonstrated the inutility of the
ere-
turn. In every case the balance remaining unpaid w 1"
no test whatever of the burdens affecting landed Pl 7;
perty in Ireland, because it only applied
of
such property as came into the Court
Chancery cr any of the courts of common bor•of If
the
proprietor were fortunate enough to keep only,. no
Court of Chancery or any of the courts ° d the
taa:ter how much his estates were mortgage
court %you'd have no knowledge of it.
a returnE a 1
or
tthe MOUNTCASHEL
fourcourtss
his mthoattiohnal4u
d,
then have
been open to the objections urged against it; he hi",
however, only moved for a return of '• the total amount
of the sums appearing to be due for debt, damages,
and costs, upon all decrees, orders, and judgments,
in Ireland re-docketed pursuant to the Acts of 9 Geo.
IV., c. 35, and 7 and 8 Vice, c. 99." Under the letter
moved for
of those Acts a particular office was established, in
obeld
which was to be registered all the different claims
to the property in Ireland. Since the passing of
that Act those claims had been registered, and it was
only a return of those claims so registered that he wished
to obtain by his present motion.
The LORD CHANCILLOR—The Act of 9th Ge°'
, IV. was passed a great msny years since, and, in order
to obtain the returns made under that Act, a reat des'
of trouble and extensive research would be g
required.
All the ju gments had no doubt been re docketed sluee
the time or the judgments having been delivered, and Lb".
result, when obtained, would give only—
Lord B ROUGH AM—An erroneous view.
The LORD CHANCELLOR—Just so ; and the
first of his objectitMs would still remain unanswered,
namely, what amount of debts remained at preseni
unpaid.
After a few words from the Marquis of WEST'
MEATH,
Lem' BROUGHAM suggested the propriety 0f
ipost-
poning the motion until an opportunity had bee..
afford. d of consulting the officers of the courts tie
Ireland.
Earl MOUNTCASHEL, although he thought it
bad
• of great importance that the returns he 11. e
• moved for should Le obtained, still had no objection
to postpone his mu ion for a she rt time.
USE OF SUGAR IN DISTILLERIES.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition, numerously
signed by la: dedproprietors,:tenan: farmers, and (Abel •
in the county of Stirling., in Seetland, complaining ths •
the duty proposed to be levied by the Government& 4id....
per gallon on rum would leave the distilleries of Seotd
land worse by 81, the present amount of duty Jeri%
upon malt whiskey being es. 10(1. This was a point'
the Government plan, which, when it was brought before
their Lordships, would no doubt cause considerable diffi.
cults,. It was, however, no part of tee plan of the Govern'
_
went to prevent distilletioelfroin malt, but only to admit
sugar to be used in distillation pars passe. He would not g°
into any discussion on the subj •et at the present moment".
LIVERPOOL AND THE IRISH POOR.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition signed °Y
the Mayor of Liverpool. Mr. Lawrence, the magi!.
trates of the borough, and by several of the
most respectable and opulent inhabitants, calling the
attention of their Lordships to the great additional bur:
den imposed upon that parish by the immense influx of
destitute Irish poor, and praying their Lordships would
pass a law to compel the Irish people to support the
own poor, like the people of this country. Thef
petition deserved the most earnest attention °
the House. It stated that in fourteen days 111
paupers had come over from Ireland and lere;e
themselves in that town, namely, 5,737 men. 3,:970
women, end 1,870 children, making an average of 'he
per day during the last six weeks. By a letter from the
mayor, it appeared that on Thursday last upwards ofe
1,100 came over. He said, "There have arrived to dayOh
nse
29th) by two steamers only, no less than 1,124, and
have reeived information that thousaeds of persona
begging their way to the Irish ports in Irelanu
with the intention of seeking food in this"
country, and efiefly in this town of Liverpoh°o,
These melancholy facts were undoubtedly true, es they
were collected by the officers of justice and the reis-A-r„
cipal officers. He thought it best to postpone anYous",„
vations on this subject until the measures lately P
posed by her Majesty's Ministers for relieving thet
Irish poor were before their Lordships, but be could not
help calling their attention to a few facts having relation
removal of the poor, c. 117,r tbe to this matter. By the Act passed last year to
had the power of sending ialmigrati" to
the
places from whence they came, but they wean tops
to do so at their own expense. The counties
of
compelled, however, to pay a portion of the expense sse
a place like Liverpool
this transmission. A subsequent Act was
which -threw the expense upon the unions. passed
tht transmission. A subsequent Act "
which thrsw the expense upon the unions. But
the expense was frequently considerable, as delay's
~t•en took place in finding their proper settlements,
or that during the interval they' were thrown upon
was
ex-
hausting and exhausted population. L
poor, and the result
already overburdened with her own
poverty and diseave.
poorest districts, and increased
was that these immigrants locateed
the
was another evil and
That was one object But
there
en' ischief which arose
themselves in the
another reischiee—that was the _
_aching. Very nice preaching
from what he called pseoes
it cost them nothing but
or the preachers,ert r
ase few those whom he might style
a very different le
But, as he said, it was a very
the preachers.
expensive business
for the prey ehers. like hie
rt of the poor—the Irish poor—on the
for the support
his warehouses. Now, at the cost of being
friend, Mr. Horsley, who absolutely paid 9001. a year,
buildings of
called cane of those hard hearted wretches on whom so
touch abuse had been poured—for, as his late Noble
Friend Lord Ellibank had said, and he perfectly
agreed with him, that it was an erroneous doctrine that
the poor were entitled to be fed from the land. It
was said that they had the land, and that the
poor had a right to be fed from the land. This doctrine
he denied. lie denied that the poor bad any right to
be fed from the land. He denied that the poor had any
right to be fed by the Government, or to have work
provided by the Government. But they
had a right,
they had
.11 alga, they had a right *. be fed by their