The Sun.
London, England, 1841-06-08 00:00:00

MORNING EDTTION.

tacit had lxx n their course ?—(lker, he tr.) He asked
was it not ludicrous to hear the Measures. they proposed
styled extreme measures, whe:t they left on the sugar
duties a protection of 50 per cent., on the timber duties
a still higher protection to cur colonies, and on the
Corn-laws a protection of Bs. a quarter for the benefit
of the landed interests ?—(" Hear, hear," and cheers.)
It was extraordinary, th.erefore, that Gentlemen should
say that these measures were proposed for the sake of ex-
citement, and were not honest bona fide attempts to,
u le-
gislate on questions which could no longer be left n-
legislated on without producing the worst effects on The

Community.—(Cheers:) The -Right Hon. Gentleman
liad.said that -he (Mr. Labouchere) had never attended
to the Import Duties Committee. That was quite true.
That Committee sat at a late period of the session,
when he (Mr. Labouchere) was on fouCother Committees.,
and when it was, therefore, utterly impossible that he
could attend ; but two members of the Government had
Constantly attended, one bein., a Lord of the Treasury,
and the other the Right Iron. the Paymaster of the
Forces. It could not, therefore, be said that the Com-

mittee was abandoned on the part of the .Government.—
(Hear, hear.) The arguments of the Hon. Gentleman
with respect to the Committees were somewhat contra-
dictory. When he brought forward the India Rum Bilk
he was taunted for acting against the opinions of a Com-.
mittee ; but now that he brought forward a measure ;In
the spirit of the resolutions of the Import Duties
Committee, he was taunted with having
no opinion
of his own upon the subject.—(Hear, hear;) lie had
always followed the same course with rea-
ard to Commit-
tees. Thinking there was sufficient 'otirc' es of informa-
tion in his own office, he had tever moved for a Com-
mittee, but if any independent Member of that House
aviihed one he had never opposed it. He had always
given the Reports of Committees the most attentive con-
sideration, but he had never felt himself bound by them.
He did not now think it necessary to trouble the -House
at greater length, as his sole object in rising was to re-
pel some attacks from the Right Hon. Gentleman, and to
vindicate the course pursued by the Govermyrent.
Colonel SIBTHORP said it would ar„;pear very rat-.
make any chame againo any
proper for any Member of his aide of the House t,.)
Member of the G
~,, rm.
mont. tle had opinion of the Chancellor ,-..,(A.e..eEx..
Ex-
chequer 4,;), his financial or any obher e" it). He
iiniie shared in the OpirliC4l9 of the Riot- • .4'
ac .. l
man (Sir R. Peel), It was his or'
ration that the Go-
vernment had never done anyth;- ..t, Hon. Gent e-
nity of the Crown, the char-
, -lig to promote the dig-
welfare of the people. '- -...cter of the country, or the
to evade mease-
rfe had seen a constant attempt
one Orders
....es. There were no less than thirty-
their ' •
'ss; the Day then on the papers, and among
- --sse observed one introduced at the eleventh hour, to
which he would never give his consent—he meant the
Noble Lord's Bill to prevent bribery at elections. The
Government exercised corruption privately, and' then.
let them not charge Gentlemen on that side with it. De
had often asked them to define what bribery was.
Was it meant by this Bill to prevent the exercise
of the common charities of life ?--(Hear.) If he
understood what the Government meant, he believed
these measures were brought forward to produce excite-
ment and agitation, to enable them to effect their pur-
poses. Were they now to abandon upwards of four mil-
lion of money to the hands of such a Government ? hi
believed the matters of Mr. Vizard and Dr. Bowring, i-_,,
which he had taken the sense of the House, to be *Jere
obs. He was prepared to tell his constituents, whom
he hoped he should shortly meet on the hustie:,gs, that a
more profligate, a more dangerous, a mor' idle and in-
efficient Administration never existed.
.Yle spoke politi-
cally only, fur het'lieved the Chancello7; of the Exchequer
was an es:..&tient man out of the I.lo7ase. He wished to ask
..s
...se Chancellor of the E7..ehequer what was the
particular sum he asked f.for in this vote of credit ? If he
\
were satisfied that no portion of it would go in payment
of Mr. Vizard and Or. Bowring, he would not object to
it, but otherwise he should vote against it. He came.
down determined to take the sense of the House against
the amount granted year after year to Dr. Bowring, but
he feared he must postpone it until he had again the
honour of appearing at that table.—(Laughter.) He
believed the lti?:ht Hon. Gentleman (Sir R. Peel) was
the only man in the present crisis that could save the
country.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
the Gallant Officer must be aware that the. warrant for
payment of 1)r. Bowring was already issued and paid
out of the vote of last year. With regard to the Esti-
mates it was perfectly competent for the Gallant Officer,
if he should not retire from public life, in any future
session to make the speeches he was so fond of indulging
himself in on the subject.—(Laughter.) He hoped the
House would permit him to allude to the statements of
the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir Robert Peel). - He was
satisfied that the Right Hon. Baronet had withdrawn
his imputations with respect to the Budget, but since
he had been in the House he had received communica-
tions from Gentlemen on the opposite side, stating that
the Right Hon. Baronet was in possession of informa-
tion respecting the Queen's Speech which proved those
imputations. He took it for granted that the Right
Hon. Baronet would withdraw the statement also.
Statements of this kind grew more and more particular.
Sir ROBERT PEEL said he had not the slightest
information on the subject ; he had never heard any one
suppose that he had any private information respecting
the Queen's speech. He had not said that his statements
were founded on private information, and he had no such
information. The moment he heard the Noble Lord
state that his surmises were erroneous, he had withdrawn
the charge.—(Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
he was perfectly satisfied with the explanation, but the
cue withdrawn was not the only statement of the Right
Hon. Baronet which was erroneous. He had., seen a
statement made by the Right Hon. Baronet which had
filled him with great surprise, and which the Right Hon.
Baronet would have an opp&tnnity of -setting right in a
Committee of Supply, and which he (the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) was anxious to give him an opportunity
of explaining. The Right lion. Baronet had stated that
airline the time he was in office he (the Chancellor of
the exchequer) would find that they had left a sur-
plus of two millions, , that they had reduced
the national debt in three years by twenty millions, that
they had reduced the interest of the national debt by one
• million more ; but now there was a deficit of t;pwards
of seven millions created by him (the Chancellor of the
Exchequer). Now, first, as to the statement as to the
two millions surplus ; that was not correct. It was quite
true that the last year the Right lion. Baronet NI as in
office he had a surplus revenue to a considerable amount,
but he spent it.—(Hear, hear.) Ile took off taxes, and
his own Chancellor of the Exchequer was taunted in the
House, and told that so far from leaving a surplus he had:
left' a deficiency of 300,0001. That was not quite Cor-
rect ; but the Right Hon. Gentleman admitted that-he
did not leave two millions,. but said he believed the sur-
plus wa5.1,600,000/. The Right lion. ,Gentleman, in a
subsequent budget, lost several taxes, and commuted
others. When Lord Spencer came forward with his bud-
get, he had occasion to state what the Right Hon Gentle-
man had left'him to spend. It was then his interest to.
state it as high as possible, and he stated it to be 300,000 k.
If they put it at 500;0001. they would exceed the surphere
left, so that he believed the Right Hon. Baronet saw • a
little double-with regard to this subject.—(Hear, hear.l
The next question was with regard to the 26,000,00P:e of
debt, which the Right Hon. Gentleman said he had re-
duced. This was not quite correct nor quite incorrect.
It was quite true that the amount of the capital of the
national debt was reduced by the Right flora Gentle-
man's GovernMent, but 10,000,000/. Of that was con-
verted into terminable annuities. - No doubt that was a.
good arrangement, but was he to -he told that the debt:
was paid off by it.?—(Hear, le.;ar.) Again the Right
Hon. Gentleman stated that the annual payment on ac-
count of the national debt was reduced a million. He
should like to hear the Right Honourable Gentle-
man's figures.—(Hear, hear.) The third statement.
with respect to the deficiency was equally incorrect..
He had last year received 2,400,000/. for the duty 131111
corn. But taking the average received by the revolt/7,e
upon corn sines the present law had come into opera ,ion
it did not amount to more than 500,0001. It should be
observed that in various years the duty on malt end the
duty upon corn counterbalanced each- other. If there
was a large return from corn, there would he a dimi-
nished duty on malt. The average returns from both/
amounted to 5,560,0001., except in the year 18:38, whiclu
was a remarkable year. It was a year. in which eatTos
had been a considerable importation of corn, but the price
was so high that it had been_ introduced at a very low
rate,. and, consequently, he lost that year the duty teem
corn as well as the duty upon malt.—(Hear, hear.) lEw
' believed that under the proposed altration he. would
receive a duty of 900,000/. a year. :
Sir R. PEEL said that the chary .e
he hs4 to make
was thusame as that which he liee(ergedin the debate
on the Sugar Dudes Bill. His 'charge against the Go-
vernment was that after five 'years they had left a
the sum of
defi-
ciency of 7,600,000/. The estimatededeficieeey during
The deficiencies during
the present year was 2,4:00,000/.
the four preceding yaare amounted to-s,itiysoo/., and if
lladhlaudi d
accumulated
cs
uuirnpul
luast
eodf
to that 2,400,000/.
7,566,000/. It was, true they had begun with a surplus,
paluslaft:l;
I of 1,961,0001.,
p` , • bringing rdevbeeenune.
1,8.62,000/., P..oCt that in Igr7iotr
they y
i .a.defi e iq Tiat,i. 1,1 t7,ssionlc),eo())lh.t, andhatdhe
hf:ogriiinnerwsitthi r
efiaier,cYe)o.nly indicated a more alarm-
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against then w.
the finances. .
Mr. HERMES was surprised at the statement of the
Chancellor of the Exchequer. He could not deny the
fact that during the last five years there had been a con-
tinually increasing deficiency, which had at length
amounted to seven millions and a half, but because in
eehal to challenged that
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why
former years there had been a surplus which had been
sdliisrpp7usts.da(s)f taheseltt-ftioghlt Hlfoll
they Gentleman.nt
back c
might they not go back to Lord Grey's Administration,
anti say that because there was a. surplus during that
Administration therefore they had a right to claim that
as a set off ? Lord Althorp had handed over a surplus.
to Lord Monteagle, which had been sufficient to keep up
a surplus during the first two years of the present Admi-
nistration, and which proved the better administration.
of the finances of Lord Althorp during the time he had.
been in oXtee. The surplus under Lord Grey's Adminis-
tration amounted to six millions and a half, and if that
was added to the surplus of two millions and a half
handed over tiv Lord Althorp to; Lord Monteagle, and
if they elaimea that as a set-off againSt the present defi-
ciene4 a seven millions and.a half only, instead of a de-
lletereay they would at that moment be entitled to take
credit for a surplus. But what would. the natioresay to
such a statement of accounts ? Would they be inclined
to admit that there was no cause of alarm from the defie
ciencies of the last five years, because, during the
pee-
vious twenty years there had been a surplus.? He had
made a statement a few nights ago to which he had ex-
pected the Chancellor of the Exchequer would have paid
'some attention. lle had. been contrasting the financial
administration of the last .few years with the previous.
administration, oh the since finances - the peace. By thou