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London, England, 1824-06-16 00:00:00

PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, JUNE 15.
SLAVE TRADE.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL laid on the table certain Papers
relative to the Slave Trade.

BILLS.
The Public Works Exchequer Bills Bill, the British and '
Irish Fishery Bill, the Salt Duties Repeal Bill, the Weights
and Measures Bill, and the Irish Mining Company Bill, were
read a third time, and passed.
NEW BILLS.
Mr. PEEL, and others from the Commons, returned the Five
Peerages Restoration Bills agreed to by the Commons, brought
up the Marine Insurance Bill, the New Churches Bill, and
several private Bills.
Viscolint MELVILLE presented a petition from the Under-
writers at Lloyd's, against the Marine Insurance Bill.—Laid
on the table. •
The Earl of HA RROWBY gave notice that he should move
to-morrow, that the new Standing Orders be suspended, in
order to propose the second reading of a Bill founded on ex-
actly the same principle as that on which those Orders had al-
ready been suspended.
EQUITABLE LOAN COMPANY.
The Duke of ATHOL presented a petition front the Work-
men of the East India Docks in favour of the Equitable Loan
Company's Bill.—Laid on the table. • ,
The Earl of LAUDERDALE presented petitiona against
the same Bill from the parishes at St. Anne's, Limehouse,
Poplar' Old and New Brentford, St:. George in the East, St.
Paul's Shadwell, St. Mary Stratford; Bow, All Saints, West
Ham, Christ Church Surrey, St. Botolph Aldgate, St. Mary's
Newingion, Fulham, St. Mary's Overhead, Kensington, Ham-
mersmith, St. Andrew's Holborn, St. George's Ilanover-
square, St. Clement's Danes, St. Margaret's and St. John's,
Westminster, St. John's and St. James's, Clerkenwell.—Laid
on the table. •
Earl DARNLEY presented petitions from Deptford and
Greenwich, in favour of the Equitable Loan Company Bill.--
Laid on the table.
Lord REDESDALE presented a petition from the Royal
Exchange Insurance Company against the Marine Insurance,
Bill.—Laid on the table.

CATHOLICS.
Earl DARNLEY rose to present the petition from the Ca
tholics of the County of Monaghan, according, to the notice
which he had given yesterday.
The Earl'of HARDWICK claimed precedence for a motion
which he had to make respecting the second reading of a Bill ;
but after a few words from the Earls of LAUDERDALE and
LIMERICK, the claim was withdrawn.
Earl DARNLEY then stated, that late as it was in the
Session, he should have thought it his duty, to propose some
measure on the subject of the Catholic Claims, had such been
the positive wish of the petitioners; but, as they had left it to
him to follow his own judgment, he should not go against the
general feeling of the House, which seemed to be, that it was
better to wait till the next Session. The Noble Earl, however,
recommended to their Lordships to consider the claims of a
great majority of their Catholic fellow subjects in Ireland.—
It was the firm conviction on his mind, that till they were
granted order and peace could not be established in that coun-
try. It was impossible that sheyhould be any longer governed
by the sword, and by the sword alone. After the petition
should have been read, he should move that it be laid on the
table and printed.
Viscount CLIFDEN entirely concurred in the sentiments so
ably expressed by his Noble Friend.
The Earl' of LIVERPOOL objected to the printing of the
petition, on account of the inconvenience of the practice.
The petition was then read and laid on the table.
NEW CHURCHES.
On the motion of the Earl of LIVERPOOL, the New
Churches Bill was read a first time, and ordered for a second
reading to-morrow.
SCOTCH JUDICATURE DILL.
On the Order of the Day for the third reading of the Scotch
Judicature Bill, '
Viscount MELVILLE stated his 'objections to some of the
provisions of the Bill. As he approved of its general principle,
however, he should not oppose its third reading.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL was thoroughly convinced that'
a greater boon had never been offered to tiny country than
that which was offered to Scotland by the present Bill. Their
Lordships had prefaced its proposal by the most perfect in-
quiry which had ever been undertaken. It had been entrusted
to a Commission of 26 persons, amongst whom were to be
found, not only the best informed individuals of both countries,
but in every branch of the law: for it consisted of Judges,
Counsels, Advocates, and persons most conversant with the
Common Law, with Civil Law, and with Equity. The Report
on the table was the result of that inquiry, and was signed by
the whole of the 26 names without any material difference of
opinion. The Bill now before their Lordships was little more
than a transcript of that Report. By adopting it they would
not close the doors to future improvement; but it was impos-
sible that they should adopt a measure with more previous in.
quiry and a greater collection of information. The Noble
Earl then added, that the regulations adopted for the interior
business of the House with regard to Scotch appeals would
greatly facilitate the administration of justice to Scotland, and
prove highly convenient to their Lordships.
The Duke of ATHOL admitted that all Members of the
Commission had been actuated by a sincere desire of benefit-
ing the northern parts, but he much doubted whether those to
whom the measure was granted as a boon, would consider it in
that light. In order to ascertain their exact feelings on that
subject, he thought that it would have been better to print the
bill, and to postpone its passing till the next Session.
The Duke of MONTROSE was understood to approve of
•
the measure.
Earl ROSSLYN acknowledged with gratitude on the part
of his country the boon granted her in the present bill.
The LORD CHANCELLOR should not do his duty to the
House, or to Scotland, if he did not say that he most fully ap-
provedof the measure.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
IRELAND.
The Earl of LIMERICK having moved the second reading
of the St. Patrick Insurance Company Bill,
Lord REDESDALE urged the necessity in Bills of that na-
ture of introducing the names of the partners in the preamble.
The LORD CHANCELLOR thought the suggestion per-
fectly just, for it might happen that when such a Bill should
come into operation, not one of the original Members of the Cor-
poration should belong to it.
After a few words from the Earl of LAUDERDALE,
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, that he should move in
the Committee that all the individuals mentioned in the Bill
should be answerable to those who dealt with the Company,
until a certain time after the passing of the measure.
Lord REDESDALE observed, that as the Bill stood, the
only person really interested in it might be the individual who
brought it forward. He also mentioned a case in which the
only members of a pretended Company were the two persons
who signed their names as Secretaries.
The Earl of LIMERICK said that the Bill had been put
into his hands by individuals who had informed him that it
was founded on exactly the same principles and ground as the
one which had lately been passed by their Lordships.
The LORD CHANCELLOR hoped that in the Committee
the Noble Lord would be so good as to say who those persons
were.

After a few observations from the Marquis of DOWN-
SHIRE, the Bill was read a second time.
COMBINATION LAWS.

Lord ROSSLYN rose to give notice that he should more
the second reading of the Bill, for repealing the Combination
Laws, to-morrow.
EQUITABLE LOAN BILL.
Lord HARDWICKE moved that she Order for hearing
Counsel against the second reading of this Bill should be
discharged.
Lord LAUDERDALE objected to this Bill. The very first
clause gave the privilege of lending money to any amount, and
was therefore a virtual repeal of the Usury Laws for the bene-
fit of a particular company. The Pawnbrokers, who were a
most respectable class of traders, had petitioned to be heard by
Counsel against the principle of the Bill, and if that prayer
were not granted now, he should move that Counsel be heard in
the Committee.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL did not know until he came
down to the House that any order had been made to hear Coun-
sel in opposition to the principle of the present Bill, or he
should have objected to that order in the first instance. Ile
therefore thought the order should he discharged. He said this
with respect to the principle of the Bill, although he disap-

proved of many of its provisions as they now stood. The mea-
sure in itself he considered a public and important one, but the
support he should ultimately give it would depend upon the
nature of its details. This was not the time to listen to private
parties against a Bubhc Bill, but let it go into a Committee, and
there Counsel might be heard.
Lord LAUDERDALE said this was the first time he had
ever known it to be maintained, that private individuals were
not to be heard against Public Bills which affected their rights.
The doctrine was new and as dangerous as new.
The LORD CHANCELLOR thought that Counsel should
be heard. Those who originally brought the Bill into Parlia-
ment had framed it in such a manner that hardly a day passed
without their being obliged to recede in its provisions. For his
part, he considered it a private Bill, for he had asked for a copy
of it, and was told he should apply to the Agents of the Com-
pany. When a public Bill was on the table, it was certainly
irregular to hear Counsel against it on behalf of private parties,
but the present measure did not seem to him to come within the
rule.

The House then divided on Lord Hardwicke's motion, when
the numbers were—

For discharging the Order=
Contents - - -
Non Contents - 17
Majority - 9
On entering the House, we found
Lord LAUDERDALE on his legs, opposing the second
reading of the Bill. The object of it was to enable great Ca-
pitalists to destroy all private Traders.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said, unless the Bill came
out of the Committee completely altered from what it was, he
should certainly oppose it. It was now most objectionable,
and if it came from the Committee in any thing like the same
state he should have a motion to submit to tneir Lordships on
every sentence of it.
Lord REDESDALE objected to the Bill. If stolen goods
were pawned' with a pawnbroker, he was liable to a-prosecu-
tion. but this Company was not. He also thought the influence
of the many greatecompanies at present establishing upon the
Government of the country well deserved attention.
Varl WESTMORLAND expressed his)aerfect concurrence
in the sentiments 'of the Noble Lord who hadDjust sat down, and
should vote against the Bill.
The House then divided on the second reading, when the
'nuThbers were:
Contents - - 17
Not Contents - - 14
Majority - - —3
The Bill•was accordingly read a second time, and ordered to
be committed on Friday. :or, - •
On our return to the House, the Bankrupt Laws Consolida-
tion Bill, rthe Great Session in Wales Bill, and some others,
went through Committees, and were reported. •
Mr. TIERNEY from the Tax-Office presented Papers re-
specting the redemption and sale of the Land-Tax for the year
1824.—The House then adjourned.