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London, England, 1840-05-20 00:00:00

STOCK IN TRADE NOT RATED.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL gave notice, that in
Committee on the Poor-law Act Amendment Bill he
would move a clause exempting stock in trade from rating.
Mr HUME gave notice of an address to her Majesty in
respect to the appropriation of Church property gas we
understood).

MEDICAL REFORM.
Mr. F. FRENCH asked if the Hon. Member for
Bridport would state his intentions as to Medical Reform.

M. WARBURTON said he had looked to the Order-
book and found—what with existing notices—what with
race week, and what with Whitsuntide week—( Laughter)
—no day open for his motion till the 16th of June, for
which day he won'd give notice of a measure.
Mr. G RATTAN—WiII it affect Ireland?
Mr. WA B U RTON—Yes.
Mr. WAR L my lion. Friend move the re-3p-
pomtment of the Committee.

Mr. WARBURTON—No ; I mean to move fur leave
to bring in a Bill; and then move that it be rzferred to a
Select Committee ?

Mr. LUCAS.—WiII the measure refer generally to
England. Scotland, and Ireland.
Mr. WARBURTON—Yes.
Mr. BA IN E S wished to ask the tinder-Secretary for the
Home Department whether thereturns relative to Church
and Chapel accommodation were ready to be put into the
bands of lion. Members in time for the discussion of to-
morrow ?—it had a most important bearing upon the
question.
Mr. F. MAULE said the returns were not yet ready,
and even if they were laid on the table of the HOLI3C that
day, they could not be in the hands of Members by to-
morrow. _ _ .

Mr. BAINES inquired whether the results of the
Returns might not be laid on the table.
Lord J. RUSSELL said many complaints of inaccu-
racies had been received, and he did not think they ought
to be produced as being relied upon.
The Orders of the Day were then fixed for other days,
according to arrangement.
REGISTRATION OF VOTERS' BILL (IRE-
LAND).
On the Order of the Day being read for the adjourned
debate,

Air. HUME rose and said, that having last night, or
rather this morning, proposed the adjournment of this
debate, he was anxious to state to the House his reasons for
having taken that step. He had several times during the
debate endeavoured to catch the Speaker's eye, and not
having been successful up to one o'clock, he was anxious
to prevent a division on the main question, knowing there
were several Irish Members anxious to express their senti-
ments, and that the lion. Member for Dublin had not
done so, end he therefore proposed the adjoui nment of the
debate. Ile quite agreed with the Noble Lord, as
to its being possible that the power possessed by in-
dividuals of impeding any measure by dividing the
House, might be carried to excess —( Hear, bear.)
But if there was an occasion which called tor the exercise
of that power, he thought it was that to which this Bill
gave rise. Ile did not think, therefore, that the Noble
Lord was warranted in throwing out reflections on those
who had endeavoured to postpone the discussion of the
question. He thought, that in every measure of great
importance, it was essential that hasty decisions should
not be come to, and that those to whom the people con-
fided their interests, as was the case with the Hon. and
Learned Member for Dublin, should not, at any rate,
be deprived of the opportunity of freely and fully
expressing their sentiments. It must be known
to Nlemb,:rs on both sides of the House, that at all the
public meetings held in Ireland in relation to the subject,
the lion. and Learned Member for Dublin had been re-
quested to oppose the further progress of the Bill by every
means in his power. He, therefore, considered that
be himself, and those who bad acted with him, were
perfectly justified in the course they had taken, and he
could assure the Noble Lord, that if ever a question of
equal importance should arise, he would never hesitate
to have recourse to a similar proceeding. It ap-
peared to him that the question was considered on
too narrow grounds. Tho Noble Lord on introducing
the Bill had pretended that its object was to improve the
franchise in Ireland, and to prevent fraudulent voters from
being placed on the list; in short, gave, as he (Mr. Hume)
understood the Noble Lord, full effect to the votes of

those who were really entitled to the franchise. It arie
peered to him, from every report he had received from
Ireland upon the subject that the character given of the
Bill last night by the lion. and Learned Member the So-
licitor-General for England, was a proper and correct one.
It appeared to him to be in every sense a Bill which would
limit the suffrage in Ireland, and that it would be
impossible so to amend it in Committee as that it
could be attended with any other effect. He contended
that if there was one point on which the public voice of
Ireland had been more decidedly manifested than on an-
other, it was in their opposition to the present measure.
lie would not say that in some points the feelings from
which that opposition arose might not be exaggerated,
but the Noble Lord would allow him to say,
that anything coming from him was looked upon
with great suspicion by the people of Ireland. They
could not forget that the Noble Lord had formerly intro-
duced the Coercion Bill—a measure more calculated to
estrange their confidence from him than any, perhaps, that
had ever been introduced by the Minister of any country.
The people, therefore, recollected the Noble Lord's at-
tempt to destroy the civil liberty of Ireland.--( Hear,
hear.) Thee uuld not forget that, and he hoped they.
never would -forget it. That was not the only Bill which
the Noble Lord attempted to pass to destroy their li-
berties—
An HON. MEMBER-It was not his Bill at all.
Mr. II UM E—Yes ; the Noble Lord had generally the
credit of it, and he ( Mr. Hume) believed he was the
author cf it though ethers participated in it.—( Hear and
a laugh.) He (Mr. Hume) always blamed those who
were sneak enough to concur in the Coercion Bill.—
(Laughter.) When the Cabinet of which the Noble Lord
was a Member was broken up, explanations were giver,
which exonerated those who voted in the minority upon that
Bill. The Noble LDrd had also introduced a Bill to de-
prive the people cf Ireland of the power of possessing
arms as if they were unworthy of being intrusted
wit', the possession of arms.—( Hear, hear.) He was
scrry that the Hon. Member for Caithness was not in his
place—( Cheers and laughter)—for, as an old Radical, he
did not like to see those changes in political principles
taking place —( Hear, hear.) He hoped the Ho ..:
able Member would come in before he 110
that he might call to his recollection so--
sentiments which he last night profess-
.tie of those
he (Mr. Hume) must express, ' -ed, and at which
The lion. Member was a me- • his utmost wonder.
spects—( A laugh) —an-)
of good tense in some re-
he had to say . of great consideration, and what
others ne did not say " etirhand, like some
(A laugh) but he came down
p,, ared, and what he had to sa was not to be
taken as ordinary matter or undigested observations. The
lion. Member for Caithness, and Noble Lord the Member
for North Lancashire, said that this Bill was a boon to
the people of Ireland. He was sorry that the party who
were to receive the boon did not consider it as such.
The people of Ireland, on the contrary, regarded it as part
of the same policy which they had experienced from the
Noble Lord before, in his Coercion Bill and others ; and
surely no boon was ever received by any people with so
much reluctance. If ever there was a Bill against
which the sense of the people of Ireland vies
strongly expressed, this was that Bill.--( Hear, hear.)
lie could speak with perfect confidence solar as regarded
the city which he had the honour to represent. Petitions
had been forwarded from every parish in the city of Kil-
kenny, and he had been requested to offer every opposition
to its progress, consistent with the rules
.of the House,
It was pleasing- to him to concur in the wishes of his con-
sitteents, and he should endeavour so far as in him lay, to
give full effect to them. He should be sorry to differ from
his constituents, nor did he feel himself bound to follcw
their opinion on all occasions, but when they were

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right, as he believed them to be on the present
ci tion he was glad to co-operate with them in resisth
an insidious attempt to interfere with the privilege to whiea
they were entitled. Forty years had rolled over Ireland
since the people of that country had been told that they
would have a community of- interests and an equality
of laws with the English people. Instead of
that they had been trampled on and persecuted. The
Noble Lord certainly did attempt to destroy the master
grievance of the Irish people—an overgrown church esta-
blishment. He had reduced a portion of the useless Bishop-
ricks of that country ; but to the present hour Ireland stood
in a different situation from either England or Scotland.
and he would say that the people of Ireland iought
not, and he trusted they never would be satisfied
until they were placed on an equal foting with the
people of England and Scotland, not only as re-
garded civil rights, but also as regarded religious
Establishments. Up to the present moment the Parlia-
ment had refused to place Irishmen on the same footing as
Englishmen and Seotchmen, and in England and Scot-
land a majority of the population belonged to the
Establishment, and. therefore, he did not quarrel
with the continuance of Establishments in these countries,
but he trusted the time would soon come when the people of
lreland would no longer suffer the existence of that master
grievance, from which they derived no benefit whatever.
They were taking away from the people of Ireland that
runt to ichich, by the Union, they were entitled. They
had refused them that justice which had been extended to
England and Scotland as regarded Municipal Corpora-
tions.—( Hear, hear ) Was it possihle that anything
else but discontent with the conduct of those who
thus kneed in Parliament could arise in the minds
of the people of Ireland; bad they not a legitimate cause
of discontent ?—( Hear, hear)—and he would ask the
Noble Lord why he introduced this Bill to add to the
discontent, by taking from the people of Ireland the little
remnant of justice which had been done them by tle Reform
Bill. Could the people of Ireland ace with patience this
attempt of the Noble Lord to deprive them of the little liberty
left them by the Reform Bill, to give them over into the
hands of those who had ever studied the benefits of the
few at the expense of the many, and to place them in de-
pendence again on that party who had, until recently,
ruled lreland with a rod of iron. He would tell the
Noble Lord that the Bill was calculated, and that
its object was to reduce the number of the electors of
Ireland beyond the present scale, and to deprive the petite
of :that influence to which they were legitimately en-
titled,—(Hear) The Noble Lord declared the object
of his hill to be to clear the Irish register of improper
persons, but what said the people of Ireland as
to the effect which would be produced by the Bill
of the Noble Lord?—(hear, hear.) Why that it would
occasion suchvexation, plague, litigation, and expense
not fit for an enlarged franchise. Now what right had the
; Noble Lord to make such a remark.—( Hear, hear,
bear.) The Noh:c Lord had assigned no reason for
statinj that the people of Ireland were nut entitled
that it would not be worth while for one-half of the consti-
tuencj of Inland to take out their franchise. He would
only allude to one remark which had been made by
the Noble Lord the Member for Northumberland last
night as that Noble Lord was not now in his place,
had he been present be should hate commented on
what had fallen from him at some length, but as he
was absent he would merely make one remark. The
Noble Lord had stated that the people of Ireland were
to equal rights with the people of England and of Scot-
land. lie denied the allegation ot the Noble Lord—
Ire:and was quite as lit for the franchise as England or
Scotland , and in the selection of representatives,
since they had the power of choosieg their
own representatives, they had chosen men
who were more inclined to popular opinions than the
people of England had done, and therefore he would
say they were wiser, and the better entitled to an extension
ot the franchise, at least, equal with England and Scotland.
The t tract of the Bill of the Noble Lord would be to re-
duce the present too limited number of electors
in Ireland more than one half.—( Cries of " Hear.")
Had they given him a little light he would have
refcrr, d the !louse to some documents—(Laughter)—but
as it was, he would ssy that in his opinion every one
contributing to the taxes of the country, and called upon
to serve her Moy:sty in the militia, the army, and the navy,
ought to have his intcrets protected, and had a right to
participate in the election of those to whom were
delegated the destinies of the country. Those who did
not were no better than slaves in the West Indies.—
( Cries of " Oa, oh.") He repeated it that they were
as much s!av,s in England as the Blacks were in Ja-
maica, for neither had the frahchise and both were obliged
to obey the laws made by those in whose election they
h no voice. Those ni o were for rrstrictir.g the Irish
Ganchise ought to how they could retain any hold
'on tho affections of the Irish people. —( Hear, hear.)
The Hon. Member went on to allude to a tabular return
he had of the rclativa constituencies of England, Scot-
land, and It-chi-id, and the House would sec the
depressed condition of Ireland. (Here the Bude
in process of illumination. became suddenly da,kened,
The Hon. Member remarked that he could not see it.--
( A laugh.) In England there was one elector in 17 ; in
Scotland one in 32; in Ireland one in 85 —( hear, bear.)
He had made an abstract of these returns, and he would
read them to the House, to show the disproportion there
was in the possasion of the franchise between England and
Ireland.

[l.l AT SPEAKING.]

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, MAY 19.

The SPEAKEIt took tha Chair at Four o'Clock, when the
Usher cf the Black Rod appeared at the table, and suoa.

moiled the House to hear the Royal Assent given to several
fcr-trfrich ace Lords' R"port.
Mr. GIZIMSD IT C H presented a petition from the bo-
rough of Mamie:field, in favour of Lord Stanley's Regis.'
tra ion Bill.

NEW ZEALAND COMPANY. EC
Mr. Alderman THOMPSON moved the second read-
in" of the New Zeeland Companys Bill.
V. siuurii had intended to oppose the Bill, but
as the lion. Member had consented to withdraw the ob—
jectionable isords, he had no objection to its going into
Committee.

The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be
committed.

PORTSMOUTH FLOATING BRIDGE BILL.
Captain PEC HE L L proposed that this Bill slnonid
not be immediately proceeded with, as there were lome
differences among the parties interested in it, which might
be settled in the soul se of aim days. He trusted, there-
fore, aat the Chancellor of the Exchequer would not ob-
ject to delay the consideration of the measure.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER made
a few observations which were inaudible in the gallery.
We understood him to object to the proposed delay.
Mr. AGLIONBY hoped that unless there were some
strong r cations fur it the Chancellor of the Exchequer
would not press the Bill.
Lord ELIOT thought the promoters of tho Bill would
be hardly dealt with by postponement. They had done
all they could to accommodate the public, and the second
floating bridge would bo an immense advantage.
Mr. MACKINNON as one of the selected Members of
the Committee, would support the Bill being read now.
Mr. M. O'FE RRA LL said the parties had done every-
thing to meet the views of the Admiralty.
Lord G. LENNOX had been informed that the Adraii-
rob y Engineer's opinions had not entirely been followed.
Admiral ADAM declared such was not the
case, and that both the engineer and the solicitor
had been satisfied, and he corroborated what had been
stated by the Hon. Secretary for the Admiralty.
Mr. ESTCOURT was afraid that the rules of the
House would not allow the clauses to be sent to a Com-
mittee in this stage of the Bill. But if it was possilsle tea
s 2 1:d them to a Select Committee, he would move to that
effect, for he thought it was of the utmost danger to the
interests of the public, that this practice of introducing:
amendments on the third reading, and after the Bills had
gone through Committee should be countenanced.
The SPEAKER raid that the Hon. Member had c' r.
rectly stated the rules of the House, which did not straw.
rise the sending a Bill to a Select Committee after bad
been engrossed. But it was not unusual for clauses tsrought
in upon the third reading to be committed to a Committee
of the whole House for discussion.

Captain PECHELL hoped the Bill woi.iid be postponed
to give time to consider the amendmen►4.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER saidi
he had already postponed the Bi!1 several times at the re-
qucst of Hon. Gentlemen, but he had found that every
poNtFonement only brought new difficulties.
After a few words from Mr. W. PATTEN, Mr. EST.
COURT, and Mr. AGUONDY, the Bill, with the amendments,,
was read a third time and passed.
Sir 11. lIARDIL-NGE brought up the Report of t.k.
Committee or) the Launceston Market Bill.
Several Hon. Members postponed their motions that
were 'likely to create discussion, to future days, in conse-
quence of the understanding that the adjourned debate
should take precedence.
BUENOS AYRES

Mr. CUE SSW ELL wished to ask the Noble Lord the
Secretary for Foreign Affairs whether he entertained an
expectation that the disputes between the French and the
Government of Buenos Ayres r culd be speedily settled,
and whether the French had done any acts as belligerents
against Buenos Ayres. except establishing a blockade?
Lord P A LME ;CON had received dispatches from.
Buenos Ayres, c.rom which it appeared that Admiral de
Cota 12ad 9-. rived at Buenos Ayres, and that communica-
tions ,
taken place with a view to form an arrangement
'el...wen the French Government and the Government of
si nttoo
the
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question, it was well known there had been for some time
acts of hostility between the French force, in the River La
Plata, and the Buenos Ayres Government.
Mr. CRESSWE LL wished to know whether the
French had on those occasions acted as belligerents against
Buenos Ayres, or only as assistants to other Powers ?
Lord FA LMER ST ON—Of course they acted on their
own account.
Lord SANDON wished to put a question to the No-
ble Lord as to a Spanish decree passed on the 29th of
January, 1816, which had lately been called into action
by the authorities of Bilboa, by which duties were levied
on iron imported from this country, to the great detriment
of British interests. He wished to know whether the
Noble Lord had had notice of that invasion of the usual
courtesy and policy between nations, and whether he bad
made any remonstrance with the Spanish Government, and
with what hopes of ruccess.
Lord PALMER ST ON was aware of the circumstan-
ces to which the Noble Lord had referred. He had en-
tered into communications with the Spanish Government,
stating his reason why the duty ought not to be levied,
but he was not prepared to give any opinion as to what
the result would be.

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