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notice also of a Motion Conneeted with the state
of Ireland. No doubt, for the reasons stated by
the NOble Lord, he too would consent to post-
mine his motion. He (Mr. C.) Would therefore
fix Thursday, the'lB-th inst. for his motion.,
Mr., R..MAnTIN.-Wished to give way to the Right
.:tionourable Gentleman. (Mr. Canning). Indeed
-his • only -reason for appointing any day for the
niscussion of a question respecting Ireland, was •
in the confident expectation and hope that the
Honourable Gentleman would be placed in
'aThigh situation, and discharging that duty which
the country would consequently expect from
him.; that hope, he trusted, would not be disap-
pointed.
Mr. Ilbsn-here addressed the Chair,, butthere
was an immediate call :for Mr. Wortley; accom-
panied by the eclamationsqair .1 Chair I--
At length
Mr. 13.05 E obtained a hearing. Tic rose.for the
purpose of suggesting to the Honourable and
Learned .Gentleman (Mr, Brougham) the pro-
priety of deferring his motion respecting the Or-
ders in Council, as time evidence was not printed ;
that evidence would comprise six or seven hundred .
pages, and would not be ready by the day fixed.
by the Hon. and,Learned Gentleman.
Mr. BROUGHAM would .persist in bringing it
forward on the day named, because the most ma. 7,
terial parts of the evidence were printed, and the
whole, he understood, would be ready to-mor-
row. He deprecated delay, as -dangerous in the. '
present state of the Country. With respect to
the manufacturing interests, and our relations
with 'Arnerica, the delay even of a day might be
attended with ruinous consequences. A fortnight
had already elapsed without an Administration
being formed, and it had beenitated that certain
differences existed, to preclude the yote
:of the
House, contained. in the .Address,.from being car-
ried into effect ; that great political animosities
operated to retard the completion of that desir-
able, object, was also broadly stated. There were
one hundred delegates in town,-waiting to carry
back to their hungry workmen in the.various
tricts, the result of the deliberations of the House;
tot.ell them whether that, result was to doom them
to starve, or to bid them live., Were they then
to he sent back to tell these unfortunate ,men, in
order to .keepdown time rising spirit of the coun-
try, that their complaints could not be attended to,
because there were intrigues carrying on With re-
spect to theforMation of a Government ? (Nano !)
He knew of no real constitutional ground which .
could induce the House to ;depart from theireduty,
especially as they had heifrd that night that there
was at least ,one responsible Minister. The Noble
Lord and the Vice' President of the BOafd of
Trade were also in their places. The question
was to be tried, entirely on its own merits. He
particularly wished to say one word on-the subject
.of the Prithe Minister. It turned, out from -the
information of the Noble Lord, and notwithstand-
ing the Address of this House, and notwithstand-
: Mg the record_ of .the incapacity and incompe-
tence of the present Ministers to meet the crisis—,
(No, no !)--The fact was so, for the Address, re-
- corded that incompetence that notwithstanding
that Address the Ministers remained in. office ;
and.yet-the House was told; as a reason for delay,
that •no. Administration was formed. -He. could
not, therefore, for the reasons stated, consent to
the delay.
On the Order for the Call of the Houie being
read, _ _

Lord CASTLEREAGH rose, and Wished to know,
whether it was intended to proceed to the discus-
sion of the question on Friday T? if so, he should
feel it. his .duty to. take the sense of the Hoot!
upowthe-escpediency--he„ should- say the indecency
of bringing forward a question of such magni-
tude under the circumstances' just stated. •He
had reason, on one or more occasions, to,com- ,
plain of these desultory sort of notices, which the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman had brought for
Ward, under the mask of a motion, and on which
be proceeded' to make comments, and introduce
matter not at all connected. with the subject—not
founded in accuracy, And not calculated to lead
the House to a right conclusion. The Bon, and
Learned Gent, had talked of doing his duty ; but
there was nothing more inconsistent with the
duty of a Ai-ember of Parliament, when a Mi-
nistry was not formed, than to drive Parliament
into the discussion of a question of such great
importance—a question which, on his
.own decla-
ration, the, amicable terraa. with America 'alone
depended. Where the llon. and Learned Gen-
tleman obtained his information respecting Arne-
rica he knew not, and h'e believed it was not suf-
ficiently correct to jwstify him in bringing for-
ward the question before, the Administration was
formed. Responsible for the advice which ought
to be given on the
‘affairs .of that countw,
prepared to say that he had a rational-view of the
question, as it affected our relations, with Ame-
rica, save what he knew frenn the evidence taken
in the Committee on the Orders in Council,
which evidence applied solely to the local .distress
ig this ,country Would- any of the gloomy
discussions which the, Honourable and Learned
Gentleman was prone to bring forward, lead
to 'a practieal view of the policy of the negocia-
lions. with America,. consistent with the commer-
cial interests, of the country ? That the Hon. and
Learned Gentleman was disposed to drive Parlia-
pent into a discussion 'of the question, he was
well aware--,-it was a pode.of proceeding not,un-
paralleled in the line of
,conduct which that Hon:
and -Learned Gentleman generally adopted ; but it
could not be paralleled in the conduct of any
grave, or discreet person. , The House must be
satisfied, that until a Government .was formed,
competent to take charge of the discussion,fur-
nished with the, necessary information on the
. subject, and,with full knowledge,-of the state of
the .negotiation, it must be injudicious to ,enter-
Upon the subject, and he therefore should take
the sense. of the House. The Hon. .mud Learned
Gentleman had complained of_ delay, but that
delay arose' .frOm his own conduct and that of his
Friends,- for, in 'obedience to. the Address of the
House, his- KoyalHighness had proceeded. to take
aneausres for making his Administration as strong
and as efficient as possible ; but, as he had stated
before, . it was Much easier to destroy a Govern-

went :hAn to acct brib. 1u the tioniitikaYo
and Learned. Gentleinan found the record of tilt
incapacity of the Administration, he IneW not;
certainly. not in the proCeedings 'of the night on
which the Address was'voted ;' there bad not been
any vote of censure passed ; but there had been a
Vote, of the House for an extended Administration
—(hear, hear)—The Noble Lord lamented that
the Hononrable and Learned Gentleman- should
So often travel over the surface of the general irr7
terests 'of the country, for the purpOse of intro-
ducinn' discusSioni productive of no public good.
Mr. S. WORTLEY rose, to put a question to the
Noble LOrd, with a view to prevent further pro-
ceedings .; but :

TheSrEAK.Ea observed, that it was irregular,
as there was busiidess 'before, the tiouse, -to put

.queF.tions.
Lord CA:STLEREAG,Wpropo,:sed.to postpone the
call of the House till Friday.
Mr. Won'riJiY wished again to put his question.
Here Mr. MARTIN rose to Order, and was called
to order by Lord FoLKsToNE. •
Some discussion arose on thr; point of order, in
'which Mr. Stephens, the Speaker, Mr. Wortley,
Sir Francis
,Burdett, Lord Milton, Mr., Wilber-
force, &c;. participated ; and Mr. Wortley, at
length, deferred his question for the present.
Mr. STEPHEN'S very strongly deprecated the dis-
cussion on the question of the Orders" in Council
until the evidence was printed.
Lord Mit.ToN, adverting to the expression used
by the Noble Lord , (Castlereagh), thaf " there
were no Ministers to take-charge of the discus-•
sion," considered it as derogatory to:,-the dignity
of the House, and as conveying unconstitutional
doctrines, and 'contendild that Parliament vas
competent to discuss any question without•the aid
d Mio istefs
Lard C4sTLERr.A.oI-I contended:that upon con-
stitutional grounds. it- was necessary
rnent to have the aid of a'responSible Minister, in
,any discusSion going forward; .and that. it was the.
dUty of that Minister ..to State to. the HOttie the.
opinions of the Government, upon the case, for
that having .the.full knowledge of the whole cir-
cunistanee, he was prepared to give the .necessary
information. •

Mr. WHITBREAD supported the opinions of
hiS Honourable and _Learned Friend, as did Mr.
BARING.
After some further observations- from Mr: Mar-.
ryatt,' Mr. Rose, Mr. Brougham, &e. the Call of
the.llanse was fixed for Friday sennight.-
General Gr:SCOIGNE postponed his notice for an
Address till Wednesday.
Mr. S. WORTLEY 'then asked to what did Lard
Liverpool's Commission extend ? Whether it was.
as ample as that given to the-two Noble Lords who
preceded him in their endeavours to form an eBi
-
dear Administration?

Lord L;ASTLEiEAGH was not prepared to answer,
having no information as to the transactions of the
two Noble Lords.

Mr. S. WORTLEY then gare notice:that he should
:0-morrow, probably, make a motion on the sub-
iect.

Lord CASTLEREA6II wisted that the Hon. Gen-
leman would apprise tha House of. the nature of

his motion. .
Mr. S. WORTLEY stated, that it would be an
Address to the Prince Regent, praying his ,Roya
Highness to follow up the commurl/4ication, made
in his gracious Answer to the Addrei4 of this
House.

Lord CASTi.EßEAGHSublilitted 10 the lion. Gent.
whether it would be expedient or delicate, after
the communication made, to discuss a motion of
the kind just stated. '
Mr. WORiTEY did not mean to press the ques-
tion, immediately,: , all he wished, was, tlrAt the
I-iouse and the country should be infOrnied of
whathad taken place.. Ile (lid not impute blanie
to Ministers, but the Country had a right tO ex-
planation; and it. might turn outrthat his Royal
Highness was, compelled to take the part which
he had. done. •

Lord CASTLEREAGH suggested to the Honour-
able Gentleyan to fix .some -distant day for his
motion. At length, after some observations from
Mr. Tierney, Mr. Wortley named Thursday.
The other Orders of the day were disposed of,
and then the House adjourned.

By the Report of the Committee of Agriculture,
it appears, that the total amount of Waste Lands
in the United Kingdom -is as follows :—England
above six millions of acres; WTales two, and Scot-
land about- fourteen. No doubt, a Bill, to en-
force the general Enclosure of. Commons, &c.
wtiuld. be the most advisable step to be taken.

MAIU.tBOROUGH.STREET-.---MC person who stat-
ed himself to be Captain Mitchell, and attached
to the Navy, underwent a re-examination on Sa-
turday, on the charge of having defrauded Mrs:'
Best, of Great Russell-itreet, Bloomsbuiy,'-of
sums of money, by giving her false checks Where
he 'had no effects. Two otifer charges, of, a simi-
lar nature were exhibited against the prisoner.—
wa% remanded :until next IVlondity.
Le 'nue, the Berson who produced a knife,
with a threat td. the Magistrates of this Office,
was brought up' for re-examination. He had no
other excuse to make for his outrageous conduct,
than that he had:been the object of much perse-
cution, and had sought redress. A person in the
Office representedto the sitting Magistrate, that,
the prisoner had been considered insane, at times,
for many years, although, he occupied a situation
as French teat:hex. It was also stated, that he
'had respectable friends in the city. The Magis-
trate remanded' the prisoner for another week,
remarking, that he was not a fit person to be at
large, add his friends would have an opportudity
of appearing at the next examination.'
-PICKPOCKET. Charles Watkins was charged
with robbing Jacob Youngman of his pocket-book
yesterday, in Oxford-street. It appeared in evi-
dence, that the prosecusor was walking through
a_ crowd, when the priSoner was observed, by a
city officer, to put his hand into the prosecutor's
pocket, and steal his.book... The prosecutor knew
nothing,of the robbery untiLthe officer seized the
prisoner, when he dropped the said.book.—Com-
mated for trial.'