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London, England, 1847-04-24 00:00:00

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JOHN RUSSELL was really exceedingly sorry to
trouble the House with many observations on this subject, and
after the statement which he had himself made last night, and
after the statement of the Right Hon. Baronet, the IVlember
for Tamworth, he should, but for the speech which had just
been made, have considered that it was totally unnecessary to
enter into any explanation of the views of Government on the
subject of education. He did think that the statement which
had been made by the Marquis of Lansdowne, on the introduc
tion of the measure, would have entirely set the matter at rest
at least so far as the Wesleyans were concerned. But the lien'
Member for Bath (Mr. Roebuck) had raised a creature of ble
own imagination. He seemed to suppose that the Wesleyans
had come to a decision, that the Government had never con-
templated the granting any assistance tothe Roman Catholics
and had represented that its several members had evinced .
an elastic conscience in the proceeding which they
had now adopted. But without the least reference
to the transactions of the present year, he might refer to
the
year 1830, when he had put forth the principle that Roan°
Catholic scols ouht be established. The principle bads
indeed, been adopted into 1833, and the assertion, therefore, that
they had never contemplated the establishment of such schools
was a perfect absurdity. In 1839 he saw that public opiejen
was opposed to him on this subject, and he had endeavoured te,
overcome it, but in this he was mistaken, and had determine!:
therefore to wait until a revulsion of feeling should occur, an
the time should come when the measure could be carried iv 4!:
effect. He had said that public opinion wonld'come round, seu
that the opportunity would occur when the schools vvould be
established. He had repeated this Opinion last nights and he
did conceive that the whole question had been settled by the
divisio n t which the House had coe last night. The note:
which heo had read were, he conmceived, amplY sufficleip.°
to prove that he had always contemplated the establivt
ment of Roman Catholic schools.—(Loud cheers.)
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it had been represented that he had first seen a iWir...i.---
Catholic Bishop, and then had refused to act upon the d,
at which he had then arrived. He had certainly seen s highly
respectable Roman Catholic Bishop, and had stated to hini,_'',ld
in the event of the question being raised, that no 6"(. , '
be done without having a consultation with him. But in reply . '
to the observations, that he had refused to meet Dissenters',"
might remark, that he had lately seen two deputations from ...
Leeds, and that he had, in addition, seen a great number ofde'
putations, but these deputations occupied a great quantity of Urns_
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—(Loud and continued cheers)—and the affairs to which De . .
was obliged to attend, necessarily called for his consideration;
—(Loud cheers.) The motion of his Hon. Friend depen,drAl
upon a point on which a very small portion of the debate n. 7.
turned. And he regretted this, for if it had been otherei
the House would have more rapidly come to a decisioot•
—( Hear, hear, and cheers.) In 1833, he had propos d
e grentc6°.
the National Society, and the British and Foreign School ''"
ciety, and he believed that the Right Hon. Baronet the, efil;
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her for Tamworth was quite right instating last night, th_." ,
Wesleyans had no objection to the diffusion of education i-
the Roman Catholics. But stripping this question of law;t& .
difficulties by which it was surrounded, he could never altl7( &
the assertion, that the instruction was to be altogeth.e,,,et,oo
secular character. He had hoped that this measure woo spy
put an end to religious disputes.—(Cheers.) He had for ms
-
years been a member of the British and Foreign Seh°°l 0
clear, and that society had never permitted any instructiible on '
be given except that which was founded on the Bco . .
(Cheers.) As his friend, William Allen, had stated, all, •
British and Foreign schools were the schools fert,tiee
for he believed that no man desired instruale.
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who did not wish to be taught the principles of the ,roster ..
Therefore if his Hon. Friend the Member for the ',.„Dt.
Hamlets persisted in his motion he would deprive the di"-
ing body of a grant of 100,000/. per annum. '
After a few words from Mr. HARRIS, t the
Mr. HOWARD complained that the Noble Lord a teii
head of the Government had been guilty of a want of co!t
to the Roman Catholics, inasmuch as he had refused tog
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interview to Bishop Griffiths, and other Catholic bishops, tay
vious to the 19th inst., while at the same time he had sir" , :=
granted an interview to Mr. Jabez Bunting and the Ter
•n 4.. 4 c , ..
He should most certainly vote in favour of the motion , „et, ,to -
Hon. Member for the Tower Hamlets, because he wier-.7e,,,':‘''''.4..'
see justice done to ail classes of the country. ... ',l4t ...",•'
Mr. ACLAND explained.
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Strangers were then ordered to leave the gallerys.ll '..z4o'.
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House divided, when there appeared— . .. „f
For the motion 2lO 4.. '
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For the amendment
Majority for goine into Committee.---- .6 ~01,,,:, • -
The House then went into'Committe and the• ri...,..,..i".4
agreed to—to be reported on Monday. BILL - , '''' '',.:l -'
AGRICULTURAL STATISTICS '. ,:...,)ot4. '•
The Earl of MARCH objected to the funds' for this $t tev.--
being taken from the county rate. He would- not 71100;1A0-
oppose such a course ; and he thought that the expenr , --. '
fall upon the consolidated fund.
Mr. MILES supported this view of the question• led by , •••
Mr. FINCH thought that much more would be se the •..
the Right Hon. Gentleman taking the discussion 111:600
second reading of this Bill ; there were so many ol'
J
,ier the
to the Bill, which he thought would by no means a°
ens
purpose for a hich it was intended. la cells•
Mr. HENLEY trusted that the Government woo Leo wereet
as
to the postponement of this measure until the Menlb it •
better informed as to its nature, and the way iu which
proposed that it should operate.
The Bill was then postponed.
T 1 tre pairzviaeyssZ•csvaas
pdeaesdeceornidtatilen.
day
vex_t_•
d''.,
N al Prisons Bill was brought tip a', .
The report of the .. av
received. , ,
vela'
his Bill was brought up, and after se
The report on t
ALLo it it was agreed to
sttiheennp:7:
clauses had been a , • •
the
moved for a r,turn howling
Captain PECH . . - , s ~,e,
particulars of the several disbursements constituting `"d
LUNATICS' ASYLUMS BILL.
t be
166/. 14s. 11d. , paid as the net proceeds of .
difference between the sums of 1,1521. 18s. 10d. ant
slave vessels Jehovah and Diana, 4,t0 the :471,g;
Admiralty Court at the Cape of Good one, on the 1216"
of December, 1842, and the Bth day of December,
spectively, and the sums of 1,2021. 7 63 iand 2"51 °6* . . .
s. z( . 2T es
being the gross proceeds of sale of those vessels resPe ed •a :.
less the sums of 4761. 188. 9d. and 2731. 175., mention 7 i
the return presented on the 15th day of Aril' 154 6 -
Agreed to. t the
Captain PECHELL postponed till Thursday nen ,„ e.
mot on for a return of all fees payable in the several
.veic_s •
Admiralty Courts at the Cape sif Good Hope and St. Hel n_t;
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with a return of all officers and persons holdings ppoiotna7.,
in the said Courts, with the nature of the duty porneds then
the amount of salary received by each, and, if 18.
,4 ,9ede re-
of
by fees,2.
annual amount received by each since the Ist Jan., 184e' •_,•0.•
Mr. WAKLEY moved that the petition of Georg ""
stop, presented April 22d, be printed with the votes.
Agreed to.
ehairnin or :f st
meeting at Crosbymove th at etiti
Hall, London, against the Govvrei th eu
the
Mr. RIGHT d the pon of a s_
B
educational plan, presented April 20th, be printed
votes.—Agreed to. a
Nil t°
Sir GEORG '"-?, GREY obtained leave to bring in
vs 4,001
amend the laws relating to the removal of poor perso "
England and Scotland.
PASSENGERS' ACT.
fur the introduction of a Bill to amend the Passengers -11' Mr. H AWES gave notice that he would, on MondnY,':•°" _'
LAW OF SETTLENIENT. _ Diu to
Sir GEORGE GREY moved for leave to bring in.
amend the law of settlement.
The Bill was read a first time.
The House then adjourned at One o'clock.
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STATE OF MR. O'CONNELLS
HEALTIL well as the ac- ,
Private letters received in London, as ,_ are
journals, ~
counts which appear in the Continental., . ,ycoaren,
confirmatory of the apprehension that Air•
ten`- the
since his departure from Paris has not as )
any material benefit from his tour, but that, he
,atber,
trary, owing to the extreme severity-of the
.WL . Letters
is sinking under the malady which afflictsahlitte invalid'i
received within the last two days repree His .
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condition at Lyons as peculiarlydistressing. pn.y_.
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' h d is stated to be very much shattered, an- ,_
tinguis e , ',len
is afflicted periodically with a mental depres,ion w—
sical vigour, for which Mr. O'Connell was once soAdlhst,
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it is painful for his friends and co.npanions to contern•
The inclement weather preva;ling 01 the
plate.
south of France since the oianiiig of the reontbt ' •
fhraosmh aljdaa sradaiiespffiseacecn tyatiool:idiltLihii,Jrne,
hoa,
e.nntlern:haen.
Re at
litibi.-0. :
oinnoucroanbi
Learned
a GI
the Honourable
Miley, and his son, the Member PalPal
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nira:lsntet.i exceedinglyrende red
fur Dundalk, 4t
Hotel l'Univers in Lyons, a few days,since the Catholics
_ e „ye ,
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of the city assembled in l th e
trying! progress
r efsi 1914 - -
arge numbers, and r st. •
Bea -
upon presenting him with an address, expressive of t le -,._
admiration and condolence, thus following the otalqup
of the Catholic party in Paris, whose address, draw
by the eloquent pen of the Comte de Montalenabert,
and
already obtained publicity in almost every Frenche'v'er, -,
British newspaper. The Lyonese deputation, hoorit.
....
were denied the gratification they had promised. to
_oure;
selves; for, in reply to a personal applicaAtior. Laniaei
interview, they received a letter front h., father :`-,'•-
O'Connell, jum, expressive of his regret that 1
bleed
was in such a state of health as to be wholly
h i audndress
give them an audience. The letter, tvitiu- --s the
to the head of the deputation, and bears date
April, is as follows: to Ytdl •
so
" Sir,—l am directed by my father to expr
_ined the
his deep regret, that his physicians having cur the 0 •,,
' strictest repose, it will be out of his power to s , .
audience to the Catholic deputation of .Lyons-t
"Your faithful and obliged serv,a,.% . jun. - •
" DANIEL O'CONNr-Ll-4 '
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" Hotel de l'Univers." ~ rota- •
Doctors Bonnet and Voricel, the two first o,Coo'
men in Lyons, were in daily attendance on D's-r'e letters
,
net during his sojourn in the city. The site: 0000;
which convey this intelligence, give a deplortu' oe, 0'
of the state of the weather in the south of Frani:o4o3'l
attribute to it the aggravation of the patriot's no, and •
The rain has been incessant, and the cold into almost
the Rhine is represented as being swollen to °, rills.
unprecedented degree, and inundated whale hone)
Talking of Mr. O'Connell, a Lyons paper (La
ant, or
observes, " The illustrious invalid never stirs ° arsons
does he receive visitors. Many of the highest Pe been
in Lyons have called at his hotel, but they ri„vi, who • ;-
invairiably received by his son." The phYsict!'"i; Irish '''-, •
held a consultation as to the advisability of tiLetrentit
patient continuing the journey in his state of es until ... '
weakness, recommended further sojourn at Wu •
the weather becomes more genial.
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On the 18th inst., at MilifißsoTnHeStie Ingatestone, E"*l'
lady of Captain Jesse, of a son.
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rnssy inst.,inst.,
Forsyth,
cf Great Malvern,rdseooagnta.:pl ce,
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de C. de Crespigny Bart , of a son and heir. , float
On the 20th inst., at Idaida-vale, the lady 01
Brandon, Esq., of a son.
On the '2lst inst., the wife of Joseph Bullock,
Lambeth, of a son. build'
ings. Finsbury-circus, of a daughter.
On
the 21st inst., Mrs. Sampson Samtetheell:oyfif::o.ofSrirtthliCe-
Esq., of South

MARRIED. -la, :' :' •
FOn the 22d inst., at St. Mary's, Islington, Charles TA3 .a. t '
,s(l., of the Clapham-road, to Maria, widow of the late C. ir'
t l•
Judge, Esq., of Liverpool. ... ,
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DIED.
On the 21st inst., at East Farlei 11 Vicarage,
Anne, relict of the late William Wilberforce,g Esq., ISL'lep i• ‘
On the 2241 of January, on board the ship Welles 1 ,
Brevet Lieutenant-Colonel Robert Codringtoo, 49th Bengal '.•
Native Infantry, Assistant Quartermaster-General, aged 4
On the 7th inst., at Naples, Edward, Lord liokeby. ~,,
On the 12th inst., near Dublin, John Ord Owen, Jr-Dn''
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youngest son of the ate Rev. Johnwen,ofFulhatiPs.;
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