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THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY, JUNE 3, )44t.

Government never expected to carry into effect. He trustedhe
should be pardoned for adverting to the precedent of Mr Pitt, in •
1787. He was far from intending to assert that there might not be
cases, although they must be extremely peculiar ones, in which
the Minister of the Crown might well be justified in Weir g
office against a majority of the House, but circumstances se
eeculiar were notlikely often to recur, and he thought that a
s ruggle under any circumstances against a majority in that.
House could not be continued without endangering the pre-
rogative of the Crown.— (Cneers. ) Bu', with respect to the
precedent of Mr. Pitt, he said that posterity had pronounced its
condemnation against the coalition of Lord North and Mr. Fox,
and against the India Bill brought forward by that coalition as
an undue encroachment upon the prerogative of the Crown,
and as likely to be dangerous to the liberties of the people.
That was the Opinion of Mr. Pitt, that was the opinion
of the majority of the House of Lords, and of the
constituent body in the .other House. He asked whether
under those circumstances Mr. Pitt was not fully justified
in resisting for a space of time—from December until the
following April—whether he was not justified in resisting
the party arrayed against him, and arrayed not upon any public
principle, but as he thought from purely factious motives,
and unsupported by the country.—(Hear, hear.) But sure!),
thrt afforded no justification for a weak and powerless Ministry 1
not acting upon any public principle.—( Hear, hear, and
ironical cheers from the Ministerial benches.) 'Why, upon
what public principle did they stand?—(Opposition cheers. )
Was it the principle of free trade? Was it their struggle fir
an alteration in the Corn-laws? Was that the great principle
on which they stoed ?—( Hear, hear.) Why, when did they
announce that principle?—(Opposition cheers.) When did
they announce any principle which could have kept them in
office from the month of May, 1839, up to the present ti ne ?
-Why, within the last week or fortnight. after they had been
detated on the. Irish Registration Bill. They had never
heard of the principle before.—(Hear, hear.) They had no
doubt maintained a long struggle against the present
Parliament ; and was that the ground on which
they had retained office? Their commercial measures
were now brought forward, not with any view of passing them
into a law, but to serve the purposes of the hour.—(Cheers. )
He would refer to another precedent—the precedent of his
Right Hon. Friend the Member for Tamworth, in 1835, and
he would ak whether that precedent justified the course now
pursued by the present Government? For his part, he had
thought that if that precedent would have been at all referred
to, it would have been against the course of the Ministry, and
not in favour of it. What were the facts of the case which
the Right Hon. Gentleman, the Presicent of the Board of
Control, said he was now at liberty to state ? The Right Ho i.
Gentleman said that his ( Sir W. Follett's) Right Hon. Friend
possessed the unbounded confidence of the King—he had a
large majority in the House of I.ords ; and the Right Honour-
able Gentleman added that his Right. Honourable Friend
had not only the entire confidence of his Majesty, but that his
Majesty had the greatest reluctance to accept the present
Ministc. s. lie ( Sir William Follett) would add another fact
—that his Right on. Friend had the support of a great and
powerful party in the country—that he hen the support of a
majority, at least of this portion of the United Kingdom.—
(Loud cries of " Hear, hear," from the Ministerial benches.) He
did make that reference by way of drawing a distiucti in be-
tween the several portions of the realm. He was not stating
the fact with any such view;
_he had stated it for the purpose
of showing that his Right Hon. Friend had not only the con-
fidence of the Crown and of a majority of the House of Lords,
but that he was supported by a very great and powerful party in
the country.—(Hear, hear.) Notwithstanding all that sup-
port, his Right Hon. Friend, at the first moment. he had
been defeated on a legislative measure in that House resigned
office. He would ask whether such a precedent afforded any
justification for the continuance in office of her Majesty's pre-
sent advisers, under the circumstances under which they were
now placed ?-e( Hear.) His Right lion. Friend said upon
that occasion that in the midst of the difficulties which sur-
rounded him be could never have thought of advising the
Crown to resign that great source of moral strength which
consisted in a strict adherence to the practice, to the principles,
to the letter, and the spirit of the Constitution.—(Hezr, hear. )
It was in conformity with that language that his Right Hen.
Friend had resigned office ; and he would say, that if her Ma-
joety's present Ministers had acted upon a similar prin-
ciple when they resigned office in May, 1839, they should
not have accepted again without being assured of a
greater share of the confidence of the House and of the country.
He would not allude to the circumstances under which Mini-
sters returned to office; it might he that they were justified in
making the experiment to form a new Administration. But
he would say that that experiment had entirely and signally
failed. They had not since received a greater share of confi-
dence, but every thing that had taken place in the House and
in the country showed the diminished confidence of both.—
( Cheers.) f heir very first step was to abandon the Jamaica
Bill they had brought forward, and to adopt that proposed by
his Right Hon. Friend. From that time to the present
nothing had taken place to give the Ministry additional
strength. The Noble Lord at the head of the Govern-
ment had declared at the time, in the House of
Lords—not adopting the doctrine of the Right Honourable
Gentleman the Secretary at War—that the worst Ministry
for this country would be a Niinstry which had nut the
power to carry its legislative measutes. How had the Mi-
nistry since maintained their posit.on? By making conces-
sion after concession, and attempting to conciliate, and by thst
conciliation necessarily encouraging extreme parties in the
country, whose views the Noble Lord the Secretary for the
Colonies and other Hon. Gentlemen opposite had repudiased
and denounced as dangerous to the monarchy and to the
country.—(Cheers.) What was the course of the Govern-
ment with respect to the •Ballot ? They, had at first opposed
it as a Government measure—they had considered it a dan-
gerous innovation. Nothing had taken place which ought to
have produced any change in their opinions, but they had be-
come weaker in that House, and the Ministry had come down
and made the Ballot an open question. Again, when
the Hon. Member for Preston had proposed to introduce a Jul.
franchise in counties, the Government bad opposed the mea •
sure ; and yet they had themselves afterwards brought forward
a measure for giving Ireland a 51. county constituency. Theee
were some of the concessions which her Majesty's Government
had formerly made. What was their course with regard to the
t ern-laws? The head of the Government had declared that
no one het a madman could listen to any proposal for altering
the present Corn-law.—(" No, no," from the alin.sterial
benches.) The Noble Lord at the head of the Government
had emphatically stated in the month of June last, not a twelve-
month' from the present time, that he could listen to no pro
posal for altering the present system —( Renewed cries of
i` No, no.") He did not think he could have mistaken the lan-
-nage of the Noble Lord, which he would then read to the
iiouse. The Hon. and Learned Gentleman then proceeded
from a speech of Lord Melbourne, to the
teageetad,
"that
extras.ithatn,
alteration in the present Corn-laws would be
carried without g violent struggle, without causing much ill-
blood,eg eoeietv to its foundation, and leaving be-
without stirri
hind it a source of bittertinee'end enknosity ; and he tnelefore
motion." lion.
felt himself justified in eaying ' pa, ill ti-e
Gentlemen opposite cheered that speec)s, Se ich essi been made
minadtehethamtostpiteleicho! No 're Lesed thq hg4
vernment, of which lie
waddle head, now proposed to stir soeiety to its foundatiep,—
ajnudnheerigAstil
(Loud cheers.) Were they now prepared to commeoce a
struggle which should raise man against man—(Cheers),
iiinsTl4l,sthgeq
by rashly entertaining a proposition which the very Ministers
who proposed it admitted they had no hopes of carrying ?
( Cheers. ) What justi‘agee could be biought forward more
cogent in support of the propositionpf hie noble Friend, than
the conduct of that Government, and a the *Me Lewd wh i
was at the head of it on the present occasione-(Clieete)—sin
bringing forward a measure not for the purpose of earreltlfi It
into a law. but for the purpose of appealing to the pinions of
the people ?—(Hear. ) He would ask if the conduct of ant
Government in relation to the Budget could be defended by
Hon. Gentlemen opposite, —( Cheers, and counter-cheers. )
What was the Budget? If he understood the . subject aright,
it was a proposition brought forward by the Cheneeljor of the
Exchequer, to enable him to meet the present deficieneiee
in the revenue. Now, could they tell him any ill•
stance in the history of the country, in which with
a deficiency in the income of the country, a Chancellor of the
Exchequer had come down to the House of Commons to price
pose a budget, as a means of supplying that deficiency, contain •
ing propositions which the Government thennselece admitted
they never expected to carry?—(Cheers.) Whsteeee might
I be the ultimate result of those propositions, admitting they
were sowing the seed of which they might expect the fruit lit
the future—admitting that at some distant period these proposi-
tions might be carried, still there coul.l be no hope of carrying
them for the purpose for which they had been brought forward.
If the Government could, he would not say so eecite the pas-
sions, but so trifle with the revenue of the country, were they fit
to remain any longer in office? The Right Hon, Gentlemen the
Seer/envy et War had confined his admission to the Cornslawss
hut he belie-seal that the Ministers never thought they should
carry 'hat portion of their Budget which related to the timber
duties ; gnu .
Ise believed that, even from what had transpired
with regard to the.' communications with the Governor-Gee
neral of Canada, because :_he Governor
terat
said,. ehnt W the Qu-
a
iOna its the elatesa see
vernment intended to propose any
Canada timber, he thought that. time our, to he glv,eri,t4
consider the alteration, and to enable persons interes!"-a "Ist"
trade to employ their capital in some other manner : therefo.4
that could not be a measure available for the purposes of the
Budget. What, then, was the meaning of these proposigens
The one was calculated to agitate the people of this eouneres
and the other to excite discontent, if not disaffection, in the
colony, recently the seat of rebellion, in which the great
experiment of the union of the two provinces was carrying on,
and with a country lying along its borders, he could not say
hostile to England, but the border population of which were
anxiously looking out to take advantage of any 441 i-hence;
which might arise in Canada. Now, that was the state of
affairs with regard to the Budget. The Chancellor of the Exe
chequer admitted the deficiency, and he brought forward a
Budget to supply it which he admitted he never expected to
be able to carry—(Cheers)—and then the Ministers said that.
they held office on a great public principle.—(Cheers.) Ile
saw nothing either in the announcement of an approaching
di:solution, which had produced such an effect upon his lion.
and Learned Friend the Member for South Shields, or in the
manner in which that announcement had been made, that should
prevent him from giving his vote in favour of the resolution of
his Right Hon. Friend. He should give that resolution bes
cordial support, because he was satisfied that both the propo-
sitions it contained had been clearly made, out, and because he
was satisfied from the course which he believed her Majesty's
Ministers had been compelled to adopt, that they could no
longer continue in power without putting in equal danger the
power and prerogative of the Crown, and the peace and happi-
ness of the country.—(Loud cheers. )
Sir G. GREY confessed that that it was not without some
curiosity that he had seen his Hon. and Learned Friend who
had just addressed the House, rise to state his reasons for sup-
porting the resolutions of the Right Hon. Baronet, because
knowing the reputation which he b 4) deservedly possessed as a
great constitutional authority, he was unable to imagine how
he would maintain the proposition that Ministers were bound
on the rejection of measures which for the first gmc
had been submitted to the House to relinquish office
without appealing to the country, and affording the people an
opportunity of expressing their opinions—(Loud cheers )
as
to whether they approved of the conduct of their representatives
'arliament His Hen, alyi Learned Friend had abandoned
. 'n'
in s . • . •
although other creeetjernen who had addressed
that posit, the other side, bad aeldneed precedents in sup-
that House on "tied that a dissolution vas e pert of the
port of it. He adme -.Tete r 4 the preeestativeie appeals,
Constitution, and that the e. '"= ~alone, fit ad eduntlell
ing to the people was not unconsts:."t"- -1e h 4
trot ettelfief tY.O 9
that a
dissolution might be proper, and me- ••settosiat eke
uphold the doctrine that it was a part of the consti... - ent
that any Government which, under any circumstances, shoe
be unable ta carry its measures, would
.be bound
by the decision of any existing Parliament, and must refuse to
dissolve. He had listened to the speech of the Right Hon.
Baronet, and had gathered that the object of the resolution
was to drive the present Ministers from their offices, and to
assume the Government himself without any appeal to the
people.—(Loud cheers.) The Right Hon. Baronet the
Member for Pembroke had denounced a dissolution as uncon-
stitutional, reckless, and revolutionary. It seemed as if that
Right Hon. Gentleman had entered the House from the li-
brary fresh from reading the speech of the Right Honourable
Member for Tamworth in 1831, in that debate which had been
interruptedby the tap of the Black-rod at the door of the House,
and who, in terms not so strong nor so vituperative
as those which the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir J. Graham) had
felt himself privileged to use, because he was using them in
speaking of men whom he had once called his friends. had
attacked the measures of Msnisters in 1831, when the. Noble
Lord the Member for Lancashire, who then sat opposite the
Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth, had an-
swered him, while the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for
Pembroke sat silent under the lash.—(Loud cheers.) The

Right Hon. Baronet had then said that the Government ha i
laid a measure on the table of that House without any itit:,n-

tion of passing it, but merely for the purpose of popular et-
cher:lent, and that they were taking A course fraught wito dan-
ger. and which must lead to tuAiult.—(Cheers. ) To him it
was gratifying to witness the enthusiasm which had beet, ex-
cited ashen the Ri,,ht Hon. 13,ronet had been rernintic.i of :he

dissolution of )831. lie had frankly admited the precedent,
and had said " Dissolve, but dissolve with spirit. Dissolve at
once."—(Cheers.) But he must recollect that those who
cheered him had equally cheered the attack made by the Right
Honourable Baronet and many of his associates with regard to
the dissolution of the year 1831.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.")
It was a gratifying scene, for any one who felt an interest in
the measures then proposed to Parliament, and who remem-
bered the course of events then taken ; and he must say it
gave him a hope that before another ten years were past the
Right lion. Baronet would be found among those who would
approve the course now taken, and think that under existing
circumstances they merited the approbation of posterity Up
to the speech of the Hon. Gentleman opposite he hid con-
ceived that the object of the motion was to obtain a vote which
might have the effect of inducing the present Government to
abaadon office without an appeal to the country. What was
there to be deprecated in a discussion of the Corn-laws in that
House? He could deprecate meetings like that whica hid
been alluded to which' took place at Stroud.—( FL ar,
hear.) Nothing could tend mere to bring popular meetings
into discredit than meetings disturbed by an uithalloweil union
between Chartists and Conservatives, who attended for the
express purpose of interrupting the proceedings. —( Hi ar. )
His Noble Friend the Member for Marylebone had told them
the other night that he had spent three hours in the company
of a deputation of Chartists, who told him that they were no
supporters of the present Government, but that they were i re-
pared to support a Tory Government, believing that they would
do more for then than any Government which had hitherto
existed. His Noble Friend should have gone a little furtlit r,
and told them what measures were proposed in the course of
those three hours for securing a continuance of that susport.—
( Hear, hear.) These were the men who disturbed and
brought discredit upon public meetings. He would ask, was
it possible to suppose that any scene like that to which he had
referred could take place within the walls of that House ?
Had they any reason to suppose that the subject would
not be discussed with the calmness, the deliberation,
and the dignity which became that assembly ?—( Hear. )
It would tend to dissipate much of the delusion which
existed on the subject of the Corn-laws, and rather cal it
than excite the feelings of the people.—(Hear, hear.)
That it was an inconvenient subject for Hon. Gentlemen op-
posite to discuss he was perfectly ready to adinit.—( Hear,
hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet opposite had said tha, he
had no wish for concealment ; but after listening with the ut-
most anxiety to hear what his opinions were, all he could col-
lect was, that he pledged himself to the maintenance of a
sliding scale in opposition to a fixed duty.—( Hear, hear.)
Why, was that, he_would ask, being explicit?—(Cheers.) A
sliding scale might be consistent with the absence of all pro-
tection whatever.--(Hear, hear.) When the Noble Lord gave
notice of his motion in the first instance, the greatest import-
ance was a' taehed by Hon. Gentlemen opposite to the amount
of duty. He stated distinctly what duty he proposed, and they
had the full benefit of that statement. The Hon. Baronet avoided
giving any opinion on the subject ; and while petitions were
pouring in from the agricultural districts, praying that no
alteration whatever might take place, the Right Hon. Baronet
deprecated the agitation because it would tend to prevent a
settlement of the question. It might be extremely convenient
to the Right Hon. Baronet to avoid being explicit, part cu-
larly when he saw candidates, some of whom stood high in his
confidence, making propositions which were utterly inconsistent
with the present system.—( Hear.) With regard to the dis-
solution the question was whether it should take place before
or after the discussion of the Corn-laws. In his (Sir G.
Grey's) opinion it would not be just to dissolve Parliament
until Hon. Members had had the fullest opportunity of ex-
pressing their opinions. One of the principal grounds upon
which the resolution of the Right Hon. Baronet had been sup-
ported was the modification of measures which had been put
forward by the Government. Those modifications were not
in the slightest degree owing to the want of confidence in the
Government on the part of that House, but to the means
which Hon. Gentlemen opposite possessed of thwarting their
measures. Upon what ground did the Right Hon. Baronet
ask for the confidence of the House? Looking back to firmer
Governments, they found the principles of opposition clearly
defined. What Incase-tee had been brought forward by Hun
Gentlemen opposite showing their sympathy with the wants of
the people, and their desire to extend popular rights ?—( Hear,
hear.) With one single exception they h td brought for-
ward no measure embodying their principles.—( Hear, hear. )
That exception was the Bill of the Noble Lord opposite with
regard to Ireland—that Bill upon which the Right Hon.
Baronet who opened that debate was so ominously silent, exer-
cising that prudence which characterised him, and cord. ssing,
though silently, the difficulty which he felt with respect to
it.—( Cheers.) The Right Hon. Baronet was associate,'
with men of less prudence and less reserve than himself. Ile
(Sir G. Grey) thought that was a measure which was at least
nut likely ro transfer to him the confidence o` the people of
Ireland. The caution of the Right Hon. Baronet on that
subject had been hut little imitated by three who followed
him.—( Hear, hear.) Even his Hon. and Learned Fried
could not abstain from drawing a distinction between time con-
fidence which was given to the Government by English anl
Irish Alembers.—( Hear, hear, hear, fi em the Liberal benefits. )
He had endeavoured, indeed, to retract what he had stated.—
( Hear, hear.) He had on his mind no doubt those analyses
and divisions which they saw frequently in the newspapers,
which hied up the people of Ireland as the dust in the balance,
and were meant to deprive the Reform Act of i's vitality.
His Hon. Friend had alluded to the Poor-law Bill, and stated
that as there was to be no discussion upon that, he did not see
why there should be a discussion upon the Corn-law.—(Hear,
hear.) He (Sir G. Grey) could not but regret the spirit in
which the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Pembroke had
introduced the subject of the Poor-law Bill. The Ri:, IA Hen.
Baronet the Member for Tamworth had carefully avoided in-
troducing the subject, and it was reserved for the Hon. Baronet
the Member for Pembroke, one of the authors of the Bill, to
pursue a course the object of which was to threw obloquy on
those with whom he was formerly associated. —( Hear. lame )
Now, what was the real fact with respect to the Poor-law and
the Corn-law question? The Poor-law had been dis-
cussed over and over again, and there was no intenti ,n
on the part of the Goverment to postpone the renewal of she
Bill until it should expire. , His Hon. Friend must know that
while a discussion on the Corn-laws might occupy three or four
nights, a discussion on the Poor-laws would take up weeks, and
would therefore postpone that dissolution which the of er side
of the House seem d so anxious about.—( Hear. ) Upon the
subject of the Cern-laws, and also upon the subject of the tim-
ber duties, they on that side of the House were at a loss to
know what the ,pini..ns of the Right Hon. Baronet were. he
had stated, it was true, that an alteration of the duties was re-
quired, bur he had not stated what the alteration was which
he was desirous should take place. Now he ( Sir G.
Grey) thought that when an attempt was n.ade to
displace the present Government, in order to give room
fqr that o
ref the Right Hon. Baronet. the House ought to khow
what his el opinions were tenon three such important subjects.
The House ought to know whether the principles of the pre-
sent Ministers or thine professed by the Right Hon Baronet
WPM Mast in accordance with its own. It was not a question
of the Civil List that had caused the Right Hon. Baronet to
retire from power. He had done so because he bad never pes-
sessed the confidence of the House or the country. 'the
Bight Hon. Baronet had either opposed all the popular mea-
awes brought forward by the present GOvernment, or, in lend-
ing his aid tei them, he hail so reduced their effect as to take the
is pie of their papuhr character from them. If the Right
Win, Buono were to sowed in the present mo-
tion the House would declare that monopoly should
still exist, and that there should still he restrictions upon trade,
and that the defieiencies in the revenue should be made up by
flesh taxes being placed upon the people. It was true, that if
the present motion were carried, it might be followed up by an
Adrees te the crown to remove the present Ministers without
a diseessipn en the Ceerielewa or an appeal to the people. But
he would caution lion, Member' eppeaite and the House to
pause ere they adopted such a step—a step which WAS caloW-
lated, as he thought, to compromise the dignity pf the Heine,
and to inflict a great injustice upon the people of this country.
Mr. HANDLEY me to move the adjournment of the de-
hete, Nit was met with loud cries of " (so en." He had no
wish Nit tfi defef to whatever was the feeling of the House.—
(Hear, heir.) it they siege Fillieied to iPdulge him for a
short time he ehould prneeed. It spa ohrique to cam Brie.
Member that from the priaition in which hp was placed lie egu 4
not allow the debate to close without requesting the indulge ee
of the /louse for a short period. He was the more induced to
40 so E§ ife the speech with which the Right Hon. Baronet the
Member fer Bernhreke eleseel the debate on Friday night, he
bed agideesSe4 to I.he ilpialp Loril the Member for Lineolitah re
and himself 441 r. HPOPY) a lecture 111,911 eollsislenCY=--
( Hear, hear, and e lapgh)---:whieln ponainK from seph a ei,qiee,
did evince a'clegree of tnotlest e ,surance of Which le scarce
thought him possessed.—(Cheers and laughteie) The Rielit
Here 13aronet was reported to have said, if he had not the plea-
taare ~9 ilea! &fft, ;heat both the Noble Lord and him,elt had
arlial, ee tilt' es thgy et-He fi,Torned, the Noble Lend
1 pothertugb,o4ntavretaary for IhP (-7,919n1ie& F9/11(1 hi" RP oi*
bringing forward the Peiti-lawe ei e
Government mea"ire, 14"" having stated' 40)tIIIng Cie
the kilo , and believing ,_ had done so, he had carefully
and the only thine
ei4ll,:iml
doeyepp rts ehfehniseir
thing
which had at ell e refermce fit the question, was when he hm
speeches, . .
corrected the misrepresentetiene 9f feioenieg pener.—( /liar,
hear.) It could nut mere y by urn ,words like thi,sp, th.tt •ife
Right Hon. Baronet had nut setalaitePt II?. Ai uPt6P Nill he
intention to join in a vote of want of porichVp awl:, !
Qevarninent from which he had never differed ei R., edit
en
the questionOf the sugar duties.—( Hear, hear. ) IVas ii
upon grounds like tnrs# tho- Right Hon. Baronet hat; coen-
celled him to a breach sit the pessera end whets he found e
ingarnen wielding a deogereus weapon he wes to ;Feeley Ilia
Noble Friend the 4enretary of the Colonies, between Dpw:i-
ing-street and that lieu*, ,mil oil Vriday night, wrest trent his
hands the Corn Bill which he intended tq 3a-y ou the 4Ple of
the House ?—( Hear, hear.) Was it upon such; Andi tLat
he called upon the " heavy agriculturists of Li nshire,"
es the Right Honourable Baronet himself, no zeph)r,
designated pi ceinstituents, to reject him ?—( Loud
Hon. Baronet, namely, that cheers and laiegheer.) kft there was this manifest
distinction between his (Mr.' Tipyilees) cape td t'fffl 114.0i1i.
. been true to his prineiplee—ose ed. cheers While tli
ai.ey would rejeCl hire feiebernig
honest grey-coats of Cumberliod lai4efl SW. the lliFt/i ilqiir
Baronet because he had proved false to Its. —( Renewed clew;
ingi ) The Right Hon. Baronet had said, and said truly, that
the resolution pf the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for
Tamworth saves foanded,
eve the ease of a single defeat,
but upon a suegessiee pf de , eer, iffaemtteh he ellesuger
duties was the only question on which they, bed snataineil e
defeat, and in whieli he hitd
nut concurred, without going
back so far as the Appropriation Cialilser the Right Honour,
able Baronet had very good reesous ffir pet eine-
dating his resolution, as it might have been rye
Lanceshise epet thp Right Hou. Baronet the Member for
inconvenient to the Noble Lord the Member for North
Pembroke.-4ond' plicers.) Bet hitherto Parliament had
not expressed an opinion
and he was mach More. Walked to loelt apen the Riglit Hen.
Barot.et as a warning father than es #I) pOtriple i to .adoVili's
piton the c,oven or the tinter dn:iis,
precepts rattier than his practice ; and tll 1410 hti 4,,t..i",.
rather than his acts.—( Hear, hear.) He hid,ifi'FV:
fere, much satisfaction, as all might have who stool l
p fivoligh the labour of reading the Right lion
sect a reason fer eny
,opinient t. ap may
Baronee's weel,es, in finding a precedent, an argument
choose to prof se
he hed had the goied (terfiln't; o tn 4, yi k eqee4e inde by the
• -At thee, osiittionirt ett"Caili '. e; ' od Or' PT ot Jartetai y
j""' lento. 6fieeaeie tree eheile an ettgereet?di itaro!e
Uri—( Sir... e es . ire,: lieeeeseit ty jfiN# h? pleAd the
son for not accepting
the table)—the Rte... -- - held the speech Ili hi'illi'fiq!
Statute of Limitations, but he -- ' --"n giving "ea'
evidently printed by an hostile hand; met e__ v'-meet
the Right Hon...
the Member for Tamworth to join his
signated that Administration in the following leripiage -a. i fil!
composition of this Ministry is as bad as I can well imegine, ft r
it is entirely composed of men to whom, and to whose measures
I have been all my life opposed. cheering and "—(Loud
the
offer
Pt.
4dZniOrgtion, he,
laugh-
ter.)de-
Yet, if he (Mr. Handley) recollected right, it was com-
posed of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Member r Cam-
bridge, who generally sat in close contact with him, the Bight
reconciled Baronet the Member for East Kent,,,(Muoh langh
for flarwieh, and the Right_
ter)—who carried as an indelible warning—,
" Nusquim tuts fides."
(Hear,hear.)—The Right Honourable Baronet had designated
that Ministry in words so apposite and so much better than he
could do it, that he trusted the House would allow him to read
them—. I rejected the offer on the ground of public duty, be-

cause I thought I should not be acting right, or discharging
my duty to toy country, or showing that proper regard which
I considered due to my own character, if, because I differed
from ray late colleagues upon one point, 1 plunged into
opposition to them on all points.' --(Muen cheering. )
Such conduct he (Mr. Handley) would have looked oo as
inconsistent with private honour.—(Ministerial cheers.) It
would not have advanced the public good. lie (Mr. I:land-
ley) knew full well his inferiority to the Right Hon. Barlinet
(Sir J. Graham) both in talent and station ; but not to possess
that talent or station, nor the glittering prospects of place
and power which no doubt the Right Hon. Baronet enter-
tained, would he sacrifice that honour, the loss of which the
Right Hon. Baronet seemed to imply was involved in the case
of a person who, in one point. differing from his friends, did not,
therefore, plunge into opposition on all points with those with
whom he formerly struggled.—(Loud cheers from the iNfins-
teriel benches.) The resolution of the Right Hon. Member
for Tamworth seemed to him (Mr. Hantiley) to imply two
wants. By the one he (Mr. Handley) was called on to cen-
sure that Government to which he had adhered on ail occa-
smns, with one exception, since he represented the county
of Lincoln ; at the same time the Right Hon. Baronet
called on him to admit that he (Sir R. Peel) was the per-
son whom he should wish to see called to power. Now let
them examine that part of the subject on which the Right
Hoe. Baronet in the first instance required the confidence of
6' the heavy agriculturists of Lincoln." Could he have that
confidence on the special point of the Corn-laws, on which the
Right Hon. Baronet conceived that he was so explicit ?—(Mi-
nisterial cheers.) The Right lion. Baronet told them to look
back to his speech of last year, that by that he (Sir R. Peel)
was willing to abide. Now he (Mr. H.) had listened atten-
tively to that speech, and he had conferred on it after
the debate with some Hon. Gentlemen, friends of the Right.
Hon. Baronet, and they all concurred that never had the Bight
Hon. Gent. made a speech so full of reservation—so interlarded
with " buts," that they fully and perfectly agreed that there
was no word of that speech which the Right Hon. Baronet
might not unsay, with the exception of that cuckoo note "I
feel c.lled on to express my predilection for a sliding scale."
But as to the details, the Right Hon. Baronet said he should
reserve himself as to the right of dealing with them as he
thought fit.--(Cheers.) What was the Corn-law with a
alining scale unless they gave also the whole pith
and marrow of the law 2—( Hear.) He would ask him
was it to be 70s. or 60s. or 50s. or 465., or what was to the
ratio of decrease ? Let the Right Hon. Baronet give them
some information further than what he had vouchsafed. The
Right Hon. Gentleman had used an expression which fell
with very ominous import on the ears of the farmers of En; •
land.—( Hear, hear.) That sentence was that the prosperity
of manufactures was a greater support than any Corn-law. He
had read a series of letters written by a gentleman of high
commercial station, one whom he had no doubt would be
consulted by the Right Hon. Baronet with great confidence.
He alluded to Mr. Gladstone, the near relation of the Hon.
Members for Newark and Walsall. That Gentleman also ad-
vocated a sliding scale; that the duty should be reduced from
735. to 655. Without comparing the present scale with that
proposed by Mr. Gladstone—namely, 555., instead of 735., he
would simply mention that in the present average of wheat—
namely, 635. per quarter, under the present law the duty ex-
ceeded Mr. Gladstone's scale of 6s. Bd. by is. 4d. Now,
before they were called an to give their support
to the Hon. Baronet, ought they not to know whether that
sliding scale was to be 735. or 655., or 705., or 505., or any
any other number he might think fit hereafter to propose ? if
the Right Hon. Gentleman would not answer that question,—
if he would reserve himself for dealing with the details,—let
him (Mr. Handley) at least ask him that simple, plain, out-of-
doors, intelligible • question,—would he or not continue
to the farmers of England the ,protection they at present
enjoyed? That vas a question which might be answered by a
" Yes," or a " No."—(Ministerial cheers.) The Right Hon.
Baronet might not think fit to favour him (Mr. Handley) with
an answer, but might favour him with an inference. If he did
not answer that question, then adieu to candour. Let him not
clam candour with the farmers of England. He (Mr. H.)
asked no more than that candour in which confidence might be
placed. He was willing to meet the Right Hon. Baronet in
the House or out of it, en that plain intelligible' question.
Would the petitions that had been sent to him —(Mr. Band-
ley)—one of them from a most important meeting, paving that
no alteration might bemade in the Corn-laws—weuld,hc asked,
any answer be given to those petitions, in theaffirmativeor not?
Probably the Right Hon. Baronet would favour them with his
opinion on the Charter, but perhaps that would be a violation
of the treaty of Nottingham.—(Cheers and laughter.) It
might probably be averse to the " Times "-serving alliance, of
which he wished the Right Hon. Baronet much joy.--
( Laughter.) But were there no other question on which he
felt his consistency so involved, in which he had so far sided
with the Government, that he must refuse his vote to the Right
Hon. Baronet- Were the. no questions connected with the
reform of abuses, with the great principles of civil and religious
liberty, on which he was opposed to the Right Hon. Baronet,
vet which he was called upon to give up for a
;Itsleton Corn-law, with an unmentionable pivot.—( Cheers.)
Ile had voted for the W. franchise in Ireland in preference to
the Si. He would have voted for the 40s. franchise if he had
had the opportunity, because a beneficial interest, anda solvent
tenant test, did nut come within the humble range of his ea
pacity.—(Cheers and laughter.) Was he, then, to forego the
measure of the Noble Secretary for Ireland, and give a prefe-
rence to that of the Noble Lord, the Member for North Lan-
cashire, because the Right Hon. Baronet offered him this
great boon of a sliding sca.e, of which he there not to give him
any information)?—(Cheers ) But his Right Hon. Friend
(Dr. Lushington) had a luded to a suitject which he (Mr.
Handley) felt much more deeply than the Corn-lasts. How
did the Right Hon. Baronet propose to govern the sister king-
dom ?—( Hear, hear.) Was it as a sister kingdom or as a con-
quered province? Were they to be again treated as " aliens
in language and aliens in blood ?"—( Cheers.) Were they to
be handed over to the tender mercies of those who had used
their sectarian interest too long?—(Cheers, and Oh, oh.)
Hon. Gentlemen might dirl.ke the quotation, but if an Irish-
man ever forgot that savage, insulting speech, he deserved
himself to be forgotten in the hour of his adversity. —(Cheers )
Now what was it the Right Hon. Baronet proposed to him to
do ? He thought the Right Hon. Gentleman who had brought
ferwaid this resolution had not much displayed his gratitude,
and he hoped Gentlemen would take warning by this insidious
resolution how little gratitude may be expected in ha
future policy.—( Hear, hear.) He w.shed to ask the
Right Honourable Baronet another question. if he
(Mr. Hawley) had fallen into this trap of his, would he not
himself have despised him ? Would they not have delesed him
if I.c had forgotten the opinions which he had entertained so
many yea s, and separate from fi iends with whom he had acted
en all the great questions of policy which had distinguished the
present Administration during the last ten years ? He asked
the Right Hoa. Baronet what %%null have been his oi.in on of
him (nir. Handley) if he had sat doe n a Tory for the rest of his
life? He begged the Right Hon Baronet's pardon ;
he ought not to expect an answer to that question, for it might
be personally offensive to his Noble and bight hon. Friends
(Lord Stanley and Sir James Graham).—(Loud cheers and
laughter.) He was quite content to lock to them as wainings,
and not as examples—he was quite content that they shouid
enjoy the fruit of their actions, but for harve f he neither ad-
mired their treachery nor approved of their principles.
'I he Debate was then ajourned until this day.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS BILL.
Sir J. YARDE BULLER moved the second reading of
this Bill, which related to rating under the Municipal Act.
Mr. DI VETT moved that the dill should be read a second
time that day six months.
Sir W. FOLLETT recommended the withdrawal of the
Bill for the present, as there could be no possibility of passing
it in the present Parliament.
After a short conversation, strangers were ordered to with-
draw, and the House divided, when the numbers were—
A yes
Noes
Majority in favour of the second reading —73
DANISH CLADIS.

lt'r. CRESSWELL caid that as it was not then propcsed to
go into Committee on the 1311, he should propose to go into the
Committee on the Danish Claims.
BROTHERTON rose, but gave way to
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who said.
that he objected to entering upon a money question after
12 o'clock.
Mr. CRESSWELL said that if the Hon. irember for Sal-
ford would put a stop to all public business, he • would be con-
tent; but that if they were to go on until* /o'clock in the morn-
ing with ether btoinesc, d'd not see why he should not perse-
v.-te.—(Cries of "NO! No F') Well then, under the circum-
stances of the case, he would propose the further consideration
of the subject to that day week.
COPYHoLD AND CUSTOMARY TENURE BILL.
On the Order of the Day for the third reading of this Bill
beinff read,
rtj. GOVLBURN moved the adjournment of the House:

Mr. V. N1AV1....E said if the Hon. Gentleman pressed his
!notion to a division, he would vote for the third reading of
tiv. Bill.
After a short conversation strangers were ordered to with-
draw, and the House divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment
iltp:nt,t it •••,„•• ..... 1•••••11 ............ ••••I•,R 72
Altjorik the adjournment —55
On war. rettieh to the gaillery we found the House discussing
the third reading of the Bill.
After a short discussion, in which Mr. F. Maule, Mr.
Sergeant Jackson, Mr. Charles Buller, Mr. Goulburn,
Aglionby, and Mr. Hawes took part, the House divided upon
the mit.= that the Bill be read a third time that dal three
FRnits, wiep thefe
pr the amendment that the Bill be read a third
time that uy three months....
....„...„, 8
AgAirolt t•tt:
Majority against the auleprtuusn, —49
' The third reiding was then postponed till to-morrow.
The ether Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
Hoe Fljogyned at a Quarter before Two o'Clock,

Buis'pp 4-Np Ewygu ifAiLwAy.",—We beg
leave Sincerely to cungratulate the public of West So-
merset on the immediate prospect of reaping those
beneficial results to which the introduction of a
railway into such a district must necessarily give
rise, and we hail with the utmost satisfacti;on
the Suct:c W 441,1 ?ip let 81140,
exerticits""of direAciF.s 'lll`. IVis'tislazl xcA.
the 9,CAvir Ws?. to
syater Hu -14Htftfq taiHt !?!``ens must be looked
upon as forming an era in the history of this part of the
country, where, it must be confessed, we have hitherto
been content to remain very much behind the north of Eng-
laP4 m allo in ourselves of frai%
illd4oNy!rel44.TpTpo§99,
and intelligence. .3Q :pm,l7:-c2l::*AillcAtion sv'ntert will
now, by the poWerfuragbncy of steam, be opened up be-
tween the commercial city of Bristol and the rich agri-
cultuNtti 4i4ripts of Somerset must tend to the mu-
tual benefit of pagtiq 1:91141pg Fact loclibtx by
creating a large increase of tfacle an pro table im
tercourse; while the traffic which this fine and that 'cif the
Cfreo Wgterlt Raillyny evenirsphi o'o4 Veiween
the entiFe cßiffiti nistropAs and north of Eng-
Wig het 1 oconstltute a MOst-iniportant addition to those
,
Q
nimmtiki ajvFtntffgo which W already possess. We
apprehend tie jourtley teinii4n 'will, 443 iH7►g-#l# ileceli4-
plished in somewhere about six hours. What a marvel would
such a declaration be in the ears of our fathers, who were
accustomed prudently to make their wills before setting out
on sp.ch an adventure, which occupied them several days !
its bi:t4r•-o atlypitlige.s of the railway as widely
available tiaS e;` etoss'6i.actig c. 001.0;
tie im~-
§4i,:fp'47‘ ikn,otoy
.41101,3(1.1mo Iramecii4to coßnectft-,in with the terminus :
for instance, a coach rurning front Lyme through the
populous neighbour:l64- Axminster, Chard, and Il-
irer, to Bridgewater, would ensure a large number of
gse-FOks, it.ml Fmtmerate its rojectors..
.As soon as
tout, puphq sptru mid
thciitff 0.-ptetl.'WLoni464 girQP e
enterprise aggVpigi be 'P... E.
•• •
borne Journal.
ERRATUM.—in the report of the great Anti-
Corn-law meeting held on Tuesday in Guildhall, the pithy
s_peech of J. Travers, Esq., was erroneously attributed to J.
Tipmr3 EN.
It is rumoured in Merthyr, and the neighbour.
hood; that several hundred of workmen have had notice
to leave from the iron masters in the vicinity.—Bristol
Mercury.

LAW INTEL! IGENCE
COUET OF CIVIVCERY, Jun, 2

WHITWORTH V GAUGER-JUDGMENT.

The Loan CHANCELLOR gave judgment to-day in this ease,
which was argued a short time since. Tim question in the
case was whether the equitable mortgage of the plaintiff upon
certain lands belonging to a person named Cooke, was a pre-
ferable title to certain elegits which were in the possession of
the defendants. The Vice-Chancellor was of opinion that the
plaintiff's was the preferable title, and decreed accordingly, and
from that decision the defendant appealed. The Lord Chan-
cellor, in giving judgment, went shortly into the facts of the
case, and stated his opinion to be that the plaintiff had fai'ed
in making out a case for the interposition of the Court. The
order of the Court below must therefore be discharged.—Jutig-
ment reversed.
Irt TIIE MATTER OF NICKELL'S PATENT.
The arguments in this case were concluded to-day, and the
Lord Chancellor postponed his judgment.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
MANSION-HOUSE.
Hanley, one of the men who were on Tuesday brought be-
fore Alderman Pirie for having committed assaults upon police-
men and others near London-bridge, when Mr. O'Connell was
in the procession of the Repeaters and Teetotalers, on their
way to the Bridge lintel, was brought up for re examination
before Sir Peter Laurie yesterday. The prisoner had been
remanded in consequence of the alleged inability of a Mr. Bull,
who was violently assaulted in King William-street on Mon.
day, to attend the first examination. The prisoner is a raw,
but quiet-looking Irishman.
Mr. Bull stated, that as he was crossing towards Great East
Cheap he saw 20 or 30 fellows belabouring a cab-driver with
big ticks, each of which -weighed about two pounds. Some
of the sticks had brass crosses on the tops of them, and others
had knobs. Witness cried out to the men who were kicking
the cabman, " For God's sake, don't kid the man," and eras
immediately attacked by about a dozen of the brutal fellows.
The prisoner, who had a staff with a knob in one hand, and a
stick in the other, was the first who struck him. He was un-
able, in consequence of the beating he received, to attend to
give evidence on the former day. If it had not been for
Evans, the street-keeper, who, in the most spirited manner,
rushe't to his relief, and dragged him out of the mob, he might
have been destroyed, the attack was so ferocious. The stick.
which aot ea ed to be a good knock-'em down instrument, was
here produced.
The prisoner said that he carried the stick, to be sure, but
he never used it except to walk with. As for a staff, he pro-
tested before God that he had nothing of the kind, for it was
none but the Committee-men carried staffs.
Sir PETER La uttlE—Witat are you? Prisoner—l've been
a teetotaler for these 11 months, and I don't mix in any nvib.
I've been 16 or 17 years in this country, aad I never got any
good by drinking, and now 'lam a sober man. I was going
on quietly whey. I was collared by the gentleman (Evans).
Sir PETER LAURIE—Why did you carry that stick? Pri-
soner—Only to help me to walk;lhat's all. A man ga.--e it to
me in the City to walk with.
Sir PETER LAURIE—What man gave it to you? Prisoner
—Faith I don't know who he was, Sir.
Sir PETER LAURIE—I don't understand why a stranger
should give a person of this description a stick under such cir-
cumstances.
Evans said that the prisoner had a very different appearance
in the mob from that which he presented at the bar, and
flourished about his stick with great energy.
William Wright said that at half-past one o'clock he was in
King William-street, and saw a cab stopped by the mob, and
the cabman beaten. He expected that people would have been
lulled. The prisoner had a staff in his hand, and broke it on
the cabman's back, and then struck Mr. Bull violently with the
stick produced.
Sir PETER LAURIE—Had he both stick and staff in his
hands ?—The witness replied that he certainly had, and that he
positively broke the staff on the back of the cabman.
Evans said that the mob, the greater portion of whom were
drunk, were a regular Irish rabble. He had to seize the reins
from their hands several times. The prisoner resisted him in
the most determined manner, and he had to drag him out from
the crowd with violence.
Mr. Bull—l do not know what would have been the con-
sequences if the street-keeper had not come to my assistance.
I am sure 1 am greatly indebted to him.
The Prisoner—The Lord knows I never struck a blow.
The witness Wright said that he could nut be mistaken in
the man.
Sir PETER LAURIE—Was Mr. O'Connell in the procession?
Wright—He was in some part of the procession in an open car-
riage drawn by six horses, and he had a cap on with a gold
band round it.
Sir PETER LAURIE—YOU observed Mr. O'Connell on the
occasion ? Wright—Yes ; he was perfectly peaceable and quiet
at the time of the occurrence.
The prisoner— Mr. O'Connel was there, but I didn't see him
the whole day.
John Forrester. the officer, stated to Sir Peter Laurie, that
bodies of teetotallers set out from different parts of the metro-
polis during the day, and that, no doubt, many persons who
did not belong to them mixed up with them as they went along.
Sir P. LAURIE-If conduct of this description is to be ex-
pected on such occasions, a stop must be put to such proces-
sions altogether. I apprehend that ignorant men, like the
man at the bar, are misled by men who should know better.
I shall send the case to the Sessions to a jury, for it might be
said, if I decided it here as a Magistrate, that 1 was influenced
by some improper motive.
Alderman ‘OI.ELAND, who was present during the investi-
gation, approved of the determination of Sir Peter Laurie to
I send the case to the Sessions.
'I he prisoner said it was rather a hard case that a sober and
industrious man like him should be accused of what he never
was guilty of. The only thing that could be truly said of him
I was that he was in the crowd. God knew that he did nothing.