The Sun.
London, England, 1841-05-06 00:00:00

SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.

FROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF YESTERDAY.
GLOBE.—The Tory organs ask, with an innocent
simplicity, " What is the nature of the exigency which
has forced Ministers on their present course ?" And they
reply to their own question with a virtuous indignatin—
that the nature of the exigency is nothing but a party
necessity imposed upon the Ministry by one or two ad-
verse votes. Ministers, we are told, mean to array the
commercial and agricu!tural classes in deadly enmity
against each other, merely in order to keep their places.
In what way this internecine war between national
interests, evally essential to the prosperity of the
country, should help Ministers to keep their places, we
are not informed. Nay, we are told by the same con-
sistent journal which imputes such intentions (and
which, still professing to retain its once honest opinion
against the Corn-laws, abuses public men like pick-
pockets for daring to propose any change)—we are told
by this same journal that " it would be impossible to have
fixed upon a time when the violent Anti-Corn-law agi-
tatsrs had sunk so low, or were so entirely destitute of po-
poularity, influence, or power." If this be so, it cannot be
unknown to Ministers. It cannot then be for the purpo:c of
pleasing the violent Anti- Corn-law agitators that Ministers
bring forward their project of Fiscal Reform. It cannot be
for the purpose of profiting by " the current of popular feel-
ing," which " will not be pacified except by large and im-
mediate concessions." No such feeling, according to the
Times, is at present in activity. "By the blessing of
Providence, the abundant harvest of last summer ha;
removed for the present all fear of distress from a de-
ficiency or an exorbitant price of corn. There would
have been infinitely greater reason to snake the change
upon this account in either of the two formers years
than in 1841. It would appear, then, that it cannot be
ascribed to Ministers, with any plausibility, that they merely
mean to seize the occasion of a momentary " pressure
from without." What they mean to appeal to must be
the rational and deliberate public opinion on this subject.
And it is the Times that charges them with this as a
crime ! The Times, which professes to adhere to that same
opinion ! It is very characteristic of an organ of Toryism
to create a crime out of not waiting for renewed famine.
agitation of this question. That is the sort of inspira-
tion its party are in the habit of waiting for. A
Waterford or Clare election—or the actual beginnirg
of a bread-war—these are is indispensable excuses for
Liberal measures—these are the topics it must plead in
mitigation of the crime of proposing them. Sir R. Peel
is the reverse of Sir John Falstaff; he will do nothing
without compulsion ; at least he finds it necessary to plead
compulsion to the class interests whose support of him is
c%nditional on his resistance to measures of change. The
present Administration is under no such necessity. Its
friends, in or out of Parliament, are its friends on no such
condition.

COURIER.—The zealous Ministerial print, with not
unaccountable anxiety, proceeds, but progresses not, this
morning, in the hopeless task of vindicating the truth and
consistency of its patron the Premier, as thus Lord
Melbourne, as we yesterday observed, has always
carefully avoided committing himself to an opposition
to a repeal of the corn monopoly on principle. He uni-
formly told the House, when opposing any motion for
inquiry, that a time might come, and circumstances
might arise, which might render it absolutely necessary
that the question, with all its difficulties and inconve-
niences, should be considered and discussed. Like a
clear-headed, practical statesman, too, he declared that
it would be inexpedient for the Government to enter on
the consideration of the question, unless " a decided
opinion was expressed on the subject by a large majority of
the people " The care with which Lord Melbourne " al-
ways avoided committing himself to an opposition" to
Corn-law repeal, and the " uniformity" with whien his pre-
sent practice squares with past opinions, will be best evi-
denced by leaving his l'ght-minded Lordship to speak for
himself. Thus, on the 4,h of March, 1839, when opposing
the Corn-law abolition crotchets of his noble ally, Lcrd
Fitz wiliiani, the Premier took oezasion energetically to
declare that, even if no great existing interests stood in
the way, " he should much doubt the wisdom of esta-
blishing laws which must make a large manufacturing
population dependent upon foreign countries for a
supply of corn. But in the actual position of the
question," he said, " when I consider the ruinous
aid complicated inte:ests which we have to protect,
and find my Noble Friend proposing to leave the
whole agricultural interest without protection,
declare before God that 1 think it the wildest
and maddest scheme that ever entered into the imagi-
nation of man to conceive." Again, he proceeded :

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" In my opinion, it is not wise to depend upon foreign
countries for a supply of food ; and I think that, even
at the sacrifice of some portion of our manufactur-
ing prosperity, we ought first to provide for the na-
tional safety and the national independence.
am no', in any respect, bigoted to the existing Corn-
laws ; but it must be felt and admitted on all hands,
that change is in itself a great evil. Therefore, I for
one am not ready to make any change, unless it can be
plainly shown me that the change would ha for the
better ; and so much the better as to inct4e it worth
while." So much for the truth of the latest rt%tements
recklessly asseverated by his Lordship in Parliament, and
impudently re-assortel by his profligate apologists out of
doors, to the effect that he had never compromised himself
to any opinion upon the Corr. raw question, or in his own
words, on Monday, as follows " But at the same time, I
beg to call to the recollection of your Lordships that on
every occasion in which I addressed the House on the
subject, and whenever I opposed its discussion and con-
sidcratton, it has always been on particular and tempo-
rary grounds. And on the measure itself, I have always
reserved my opinion. I have always stated tbat I would
never pledge. myself to the law as it at present stands,
seeing that the time might come when it would bc ne-
cessary to take the question into consideration, and to
settle it on another basis fr.im that on which it at pre-
, sent rests." By the foregoing extracts from his own
former speeches, is veli as those cited yesterday from
the same authority, it may be readily deduced with what
retard to decency it is now preendel that " opinion"
" reserved," or subject to be qu'lnficd by " particu-
lar cireuinstanceA," &c.
STAND A RD.—The permanent interest to Englisl:-
nrea of the Corn-laws has cawed us to neglect the attack
of the Budget upon our commercial and colonial interests
and we era ashamed t:s say upon the interests of
humanity. A petition in course of signature at Bath,
which we have received this morning, reminds us of
this last r:egiect. The petition in question reclaims
against the encouragement of slav,ry ie its most
savage fur m, by the introduction of sieve-made
su,gar. Let teen read Sir Thomas Powell Box.
ton's account of the atroci u 3 system of Spanish and
Brazilian slavery, with its preparatory and accompanying
murders cf nearly half a million of our fellow-creatures an-
nually. Let any man, we say, read that frightful history of
suffer ing and crime, and then, if he can, withhold his voice
from the protest of the Bite petitioners, Out upon the
hypocrites who clamoured for the abolition of the
mild system of slavery in our owe. colonies, but
woul.l now remain silent when iTnisteis call upon the
country to give its aid to a system of slavery the most
cruel that ever the infern4l spit it suggested to deprsved
roan. We respect ta.sse who hate all slavrry, aria we
hay,: ever sympa.lii,ci, and, to the extent of our
small power, co-operated with them ; but words
cannot express t`te loathing and contempt with
which alt honest tnea must regard the hypocrites who
raised their veizes so high against the :lively in our own
col,miev, and are slow silent when we arc to be made the
auxiliwics of an jefini.ely wore slavery. Where is Sir
Thorna.s Powell Buxton ? Where are they all who took
the lead in the abolition law of 1832?
FOREIGN SLAVE SUGAR DUTY.

COPY OF A PETITION IN THE COURSE OF SIUNATURR

BNTIL

That, after a long struggle in consonant" with the generally
expressed feelings of the nation, the British Legislature pass.'d
an Act abolishing colonial slavery, as entirely inconsistent with
Christianity.
That, in furtherance of this enactment, it was made ki.ony
for a British subject to assi=t in any way in carrying slaves to
the Brazils, Cuba, or elsewhere.
That, in addition to the 20 millions for compensatian, up-
wards of 10,000,0006. sterling has been expended since 1807
in endeavouring to put down the African slave trade, ant( that
a large sum is still annually devoted to the same chiett.
That it appears from official documents that upwards of
50,00'J slaves are annually imported into the Brazils and the
Havarmah.

theTihnatteiyitoiuorn
opfethiteironi‘eirassiellaty7s
cleialarnacteliotrhofs:;hrperiEsexacndqatrl:r7tto,
submit to Parliament a bill or proposition to reduce the ditties
on the Brazil and other slave-made sugar about 45 per eve.%
That your petitioners submit that such a reduetin of duty
is an anomaly in legislation—as, on the one hand, discouraging
slavery by penal enactments; and, on the other, offering a
premium to those foreign nations which uphold it; conse-
quently, is not only inconsistent, but certain to aid in perpe-
tuating the very evil which the British nation has made ag
great a sacrifice to remove.
That your petitioners further submit that, independent of the
principle which the question involves, it will be impossible for
free labour in the West and East Indies to compete with foreign
slave-labour at the rate of duty proposed by the Chancellor of
the Exchequer.
Your petitioners, therefore, humbly implore your Honour.
able House not to deal with the present subject as one merely
of Commerce or Finance, but as a national question con-
nected with the great experiment, now in progress, of the
practicability of abolishing slavery in every quarter of the
globe—an experiment which other nations are anxiously watch-
ing, and the success of which mainly dep.:,ods on the consist-
ency and moral firmness of your Hon arable House.
And your petitioners will ever pray, &c.

STATE OF TRADE.
(From the Manchester Guardian.)
MANCHESTER.—There has been no change in the tone
of the market since last week ; the demand con-
tinues exceeding) [limited, and prices, both of goods
7;
and yarn, gradually declining ; being now on the ave-
rage fully as low as at the lowest point in December,
although good cotton is fully a penny, and inferior
cottoki. 11 halfpenny, dearer than at that time. The
s,,tuation of the spinners and manufacturers is conse-
quently very painful, and the working of short time is
gradually •
tending. The spinners of Ashton, Scaly-
ex
bridge, Hyde, and the neighbourhood, have begun
`pursuant to the agreement which we mentioned on Wed-
neglay last) to work four days per week; and those in the
neighbourhood of Bacup will commence on Monday next ;
but we understand that no agreement on the subject bas
yet been come to at Blackburn or Preston.
ROCHDALE FLANNEL MARKET, MONDAY, MAY 3,--
There is very little change in the flannel market to-day,
except a reduction in price?. There has been very little
doing in wool ; and prices about the same as those of last
week.

The workmen in excavating for part of the site
of the new Exchange have found several Roman anti-
quities on the site of a large pond 50 feet long, 34 feet
wide, and 13 feet deep. Amongst these antiquities are
a Romau wall and pedestal, articles of pottery ware, glass,
and glass vessels, lamps, coins, styles and tablets for
writing, and a strigel, such as bad been used in the baths
of Pompeii. The latter is perfect. Sheep bones and the
bones and horns of stags have also been discovered in the
excavations.

IMPERIAL. PARLIAMENT.
110 USE OF COMMONS, MAY 5.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour.
Mr. SYDNEY HERBERT presented a number of
petitions without specifying from what pieces, praying for

Church-extension:
;qr. EA ST HOPE presented a petition signed by
11,832 inhabit ints of L&ceiter, against the present
Corn-law 9. The petitioners complained of the distress
which they suffered in consequence of those laws, with-
out any compensating advantage. Tbo Hon. Member
also presented petitions to the same effect from plac2s in
Leicester, and from Bagnigge-wells and Islington ; also a
petition from Horsham, in Sussex, praying that the inmates
of workhouses might be allowed to attend their own

places of worship.
Mr. ALSTON presented a petition from the inhabi-
tants of Bishop- Stortford for the abolition of Church-rates.
Mr. BELL presented a petition from Nwthumberlanti
in favour of Church Extension.
Mr. BUSFIELD presented a petition from a congre-
gation of Protestant Dissenters at Bradford, against the
continuane3 of Church.rates, for the abolition of Eccle-
siastical Courti. and for the liberation of 111 r. W. Baines.
Mr. STRUTT presented a petition from the inhabi-
tants of thz town of Derby, in favour of the Drainage Im-
provement Bill; also from a Congregation of Protestant
Dissenters, praying for the Abolition of Church Rates and
Ecclesiastical Court. _

Mr. ALFRED presented a petition from the county of
Leicester, against the Repeal of the Corn-laws ; also :It
petitions from verious places in the same county, in favour

of Church Ext?nsion.-
Mr, VILLIERS presented sixteen petitions from
Yorkshire, Cheshire, Gray's lan-lane, (Middlesex.) and
several other places, in favour of a repeal of the Corn-laws.
Mr. BA IL LIE presented a petition from Inverness
complaining that the Caledonian Canal had fallen into
disrepair, and praying for a further grant beyond the 2,000/.

proposed in the estimates.
Mr. HEATHCOTE presented a petition from certain
medical practitioners in Kent, complaining of the mode in
which medical officers are appointed and remunerated
under the Poor-law Act ; also a petition from the Board of
Guardians of Tiverton, praying that union workhouses
might be exempted from taxation.
Mr. THORNEL Y presented a petition from West-
moreland, and from the inhabitants of Bath-street, St.
Luke's, and of Spafields, London, prayiogfor a repeal of the
Corn-law?.
Mr. BL ACKBURNE presented a petition from an
agricultural parish, praying the House not to withdraw the
protecting duties from the agricultural interest, or they
would be all ruined.
Mr. HUME presented petitions from Montrose and two
parishes in Forfarshire, praying for a repeal of the Corn-
laws ; also two petitions from Dissenting congregations,
praying fir the abolition of Church-rates and Eeclesiasti-
, cal Courts ; also from two Chartist Societies, praying for

the release of political offenders.
Sir J. Y. BULLER presented a petition complaining
of the arbitrary character of the New Poor-law Bill, lrem
a parish in Devon ; also one from a Board of Guardians,
praying for an exemption from parochial rates and taxes
for all workhouses.
Lord INGESTRIE presented a petition from Lich-
field, complaining of the hardship of the Bastardy Laws;
several petitions praying for Church Extension ; also from
the boatmen on the Burslem and Liverpool Canal, com-
plaining that they were empelled to labour on Sundays,
and praying that Sunday trading on canals might be put
a stop to.
Dr. LUSHINGTON presented a petition from the
barkers, planters, and others of Antigua, in which they
stated that they gave emancipation at the earliest possible
moment, giving up six years of apprenticeship in the hope
that they were aiding the great cause of eiv lization.—
( Hear, hear.) They were informed that a petition had
been presented to that House, praying for the introduction
of fireign sugar into England. They stated that such a
step would be ruinous to them and all their interests, and
must put an immediate stop to the great exertions that
they had bean making for the education of the labourers
—the prospecs of prosperity which ha-1 dawned upon them
would be blisted—(Cheers)—they therefore prayed !be
House to refuse the prayer of such a petition as incon-
sittent with the honour and character of England. They

prayed that the use of slave.grown sugar from foreign
countries might be prohibited within the limit 3 of English
laws.—(Cheers.) Also a petition from Dr. Pye Smith
and his congregation, praying for the abolition of Church-
rates, and one from a congregation of Bapiats,praying for
the abolition of oaths and the substitution of a declaration.
Mr. T. EGERTON presented several petitions pray-
ing for Church Extension.
Mr. C. HAMILTON presented three petitions from
Bucks to the acme effect.
Mr. BROTHERTON presented twelve petitions from
different trades of Mitnehest,Jr praying for a Repeal of
the Corn laws.
Lord JAMES STUART presented a petition from
Argyle against lar patronage in the Church of Scotland.
Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from Renfrew
in favour of the abolition of Church Extension.

Mr. JONES presented a petition from Carnarvon
against the grant to the College of Miynonth.
Colonel SALWEY presented a petition from Sir W.
Downey, ono of the coroners of Shropshire praying for
further remuneration to county coroners.
Mr. W. DUNCOMBE presented nileteen petitions
from the North R ding of Yorkshire, against any alteration
in the Corn-laws.
Mr. HANDLEY presented a petition, signed by 4,000
pc.sons, praying for a repeat of the union between Great
B.it in and Ireland.
Mr. A. WHITE presented a petition from South
Shields, praying for the extinction of Church-rates.
Mr'. M. PHILLIPS presented a petition from Man-
che,ter, against the Corn-laws.
Mr. 0. GORE presented a pr.stit:en against the union
of the two Ste; of St. Asaph and Bangor.
Mr. J. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the
parish of S'. GNirge, in Southwark, complaining of the
violation of the Anatomy Act, and praying an inquiry into
tic subj-c'. Also a petition from Gin Tow, praying for
the extensim of the franchise.
Mr. CARTWRIGHT presented two petitions from
places in the county of Northampton, praying fur Church
Extension.
Mr. GREG presented petitions from the parishes of
Aherdal& and Tibbermuir, Perthshire, praying for the
abolition of Church patronage in Scotland. Also a peti-
tion from the Bit,tist congregation of r erth. for the
abolition of Church-rates in England, and the liberation
of Mr. Baines.
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON_ presented a petition

favour of Mr. Colquhoun's 13;11 respecting Maynooth I
College.
Sir ROBERT INGLIS presented 33 petitions froze
places in the counties of Cambridgs, Wilts, York, Nortba
ampton, Somerset, Warwick, Salop, Worcester, Gloucer-
ter, and Dorset, and from the Isle of Wight in favour
Church a:vet-vino.
Mr. BAIN E S presented petiti ms from various places
in Yorkshire, in favour of a repeal of the Corn-laws; •
alio from the Corgregation of some Chapel at Leeds,,
prat lag for the abwirion ~f Church-rates ; also petitions ;
to the same eZect from Bradford, Halifax, Calverly, and
some otl er place in Yorkshire.
Sir DE LACY EVANS presented a petit'on from
Weitininster (as we uncle, stood) signed by 240,000 per-
sons, pia) ing tor a reaeal ef the Corn-laws.
Mr. ASHTON YATES resented a petition praying
for a repeal of the Corn-laws.
Sir THOMAS FRE'MANTLE presented a petition
from some place in 13uckiugliamsitire, prhyaig for Church
Estensiop.
Mr. CLIVE presented a petition from some place in
Satopshire, praying that an adequate remuneration might
be afforded to county coroners.
Mr. BROADLEY presenavd tietitlon from some
place in Yorkaltien teatriSt a repeal of the Corn-laws.
Ma. Ht Of; SON presented a petition from some place,
the battle of which we could 11S4 catch: r ra)inig for Church
Extension.
NOTICES OF ,!.r.3Ti.OIT;—CHURCI-1 EX-
Sir K. INGLIS gave notice t' ..at on Tuesday, the 18th
Inst., he hoped to be able to call the attention of the House
to the question of Charch Extension.—(Hear) hoer.)
LORD CARLaICA.
Mr. MUNTZ gave actisaa itat. in Thursday, the 13th
inst., he hold thea.e that an humble address be pre-
, sente'd to het Majesty, praying her Majesty to be graciously
pleated to remove the Right lion. the Earl of Cardigan
from the commission Which 1-..te now held in her Majestl;'s
service.—(llear, lira:)
bUTV SUGAR.
Sir G. Ci:.ERk said that he had been requested by his
Noble -.l.lettal the Member for Liverpool to state to the
flme, in his absence, the form of the resolution of which
he had given notice of his intilintion to move, before the
House went into a Committee of Ways and Means on the
Sugsr Duties, on Friday t--" Resolved, that considering
the efforts and saarifices which Parliament and the coon..
try had made for the abolition of the slave-trade and of
slavery, with the earnest hope that by our exertions
and example, we might be able to lead to a mitigation
and final extinction of this eve in other countries, this
House is not prepared, especially with the present prospect
of the supply of sugar from the British possessions, to
adopt the measure proposed by her Majesty's Government,
for the reduction of the duty on foreign sugar."—( Cheers
from the Opposition Benches.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said he wished to state that in the
event of the House not going into Committee on the
Sugar Duties, and the resolution which had been just
read being put from the Chair, he would move an amend-
ment, the terms of which he would be able to state more
correctly to-morrow, to the following effect, " That it is
the opinion of this House that it is practicable to supply
the present inadequacy of the revenue, and to meet the
expenses of the country by a judicious alteration of the
protecting and differential duties, without any material
increase of the public burdens, and at the same time to
promote the interests of trade, and to afford relief to the
industrious classes; and that this House considers such a
course as the best calculated to provide for the mainte-
nance of the public frith and the general welfare of the
country."—( Cheers from the Ministerial Benches.)
Lord DUNGANNON wished to ask the Noble Lord
the Secretary for the Colonies whether any of the sur-
plus funds which had fallen into the hands of the Church
Commission had been applied to the augmentation of
poor benefices.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the subject had undergone a
greet deal of consideration on the part of the Ecclesiasti-
cal Commissiorers, but they had not yet adopted any
general principle for the application of the funds, and
therefore none had been applied.
Lord MAHON had observed that in the sales ordered
by the Commissioner in this country in our Australian colo-
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After a conversation relative to the Orders of the House,

Mr. KELLY gave notice that to-morrow ho would
move that Sir Thomas Cochrane have leave to bring uo
the Report of the Committee on the Ipswich Docks Biil,
the Chairman having without notice postponed it till Friday.
COUNTY CORONERS' BILL.
On the motion of Mr. PAKINGTON, the House

went into Committee for the re-consideration of the
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County Coroners' Bill, Mr. FRESIIFI ELD in the Chair.
Clause 1 was agreed to.
On clause 2 being proposed,
Mr. WAKLE Y said that the clause provided that Jus-

tices of the Peace sLould meet in Session for the purpose
of dividing the counties into districts. He thought
it would be but an act of courtesy if the Honourable
Gentleman (Mr. Pakington) proposed in his Bill
that before counties could be divided into districts coroners
should receive intimation of what the justices intended
doing. He (Mr. Wakley) was aware that in arguing the
case of the coroners against the justices in that House,
there were fearful odds against him. It was ex-
traordinary that justices of the peace without giving
notice to the coroners of what was to be
done, should consider that they had the power
to decide what was more convenient for the public
than the coroners themselves who had been acting in those
districts for many years. Several coroners' oudly complained
on this subject, and considered they were most unfairly
treated. 11 the Hon. Gentleman ( Mr. Pakington) would
intimate that the Coroners should be adequately pro-
tected he (Mr. Wakley) would not trouble the
House with the proviso which it was his intention to move
to the 2d clause. But if the Hon. Gentleman should not
_ _

give suchan intimation he ( Nir. Wakley) should he obliged to
put the House to the inconvenience of moving such a proviso.
The Hon. Gentleman then read a note from a coroner in

Gloucestershire, to show the injurious effects of the clause
upon the interests of the coroners. Th 3 note com-
plained of the injustice of putting coroners
who had been at great expense in obtaining large districts
on account of the larger emolument arising therefrom,
on a level with coroners of small districts who had
been at little or no expense or trouble in obtaining
those districts. The Hon. Gentleman proceeded to say

that some—compensation ought to be made to such
coroners. He (Mr. Wakley) was desirous that
the House should not interfere with the pre-

sent management of counties when the counties
had been divided into districts for a long series of

years, and if the Hon. Gentleman should state that that
were his opinion he (Mr. Wakley) would not trouble the
House with the proviso he had mentioned.
Mr. PA KINGTO N was not aware of the nature of the
amendment which the Hon. Gentleman meant to propose.
Mr. WAKLEY said that the proviso was to the
effect that due notice should be given to the coroner

of the intention of the justices to make any division of
counties, and that the coroner should be heard at Sessions
either by himself or by counsel for or against such division.
Mr. PAKINGTON bad no objectioa to the introduc-
tion of such a proviso.
Mr. BARN EB Y wished the Hon. Member would with-
draw the words " or Counsel."
Mr. WAKLEY could not withdraw the words, be-
cause the coroners were perfectly incorup !tent to defend
themselves when brought into contact with the Justices.—
( A laugh.)
The proviso was then added to the clause, and the clause
with the addition, was then agreed to.
On clause 3 being proposed,
Mr. BA RN EB Y said, that the clause proposed to make
it incumbent on every coroner to reside within the district
for which ho acted; but if a coroner resided ii a
town which had a right of holding Quarter-sessions, he
could not be, strictly speaking, residing within his
district. Now he thought that such a provision would
press hardly upon some coroners, and therefore he wished
to ace some words introduced, giving to the justices
the power of giving leave to the coroner to reside out of
his district, in some cases, as they may see fir.
Mr. PAKINGTON would accede to the introduction
of some such provision.
Mr. WAKLEY objected to giving the justices
such power. They were constantly boasting of the
necessity of having the judges independent, and her:
they were proposing to make the coroner, who was a
Judge, dependent upon the Magistrates. It would be impos-
sible for him to do justice if he were placod in such a situation.
Nothing could be more unfair than the manner
in which coroners were elected; and he rejoiced
that the Hon. Member had brought the subject before
the House. What be complained of was, that
that Bill left the justices to deal with the present coro-
ners as they thought fit. He should, therefore, move that
the bill should not extend to any county which was alrcaly
divided into districts without the consent of the coroners
of the said county, who had filled that cffice for a given
number of years.
Mr. PAKINGTON thought the justices would not
have any undue power over the coroners, nor any power
that must not be given to somebody. He thought, theic-
fore, that the clause contained nutting unreasonable.
Sir G. STRIC KL AND approved of the amendment.
The House should not give to justices of the peace the
power of cutting coroners out of the practice which they
now enjoyed.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that he did think there was a
great objection to the clause in its present shape. Coro-
ners had new a vested pecuniary interest in certain dis-
tricts ; and why should a change be made to their detri-
ment at the caprice of the justices of the peace ?
Tile words when it was thought " proper and conve-
nient" e. ere, no doubt, introduced into the clause, but that
still left the matter to the discretion of the Magistrates.
He did not approve of such a principle ; and lie believed
that no Bill had been ever brought into that House which
took away a vested interest wi'hout some adequate cons-

pensattorr
Mr. WA RBURTON said the effect of the cl arse would
be to give an arbitrary power to the Magistra'es to alter
the districts of coronet-3 without giv'ng any cornpensa-
where, such alterations were made. In the case
of the Criminal Justice Bill, the coroners who
might be affected by the justices on that all, would
rese:ve eorneeasation, and they would be equally entitled
to it in the case under consideration.
Mr. F. MA ULE said, he thought that this ciame dealt
somewhat hardly with coroners, and as he objet cd to
elating more power in the heeds of the Mapistrates, he
should vote for the amendment of the Hen. Member for
Finsbury.
After a few words from Mr. HOME and Mr. WILBRA-
HAM, in opposition to the clause,
Sir R. PEEL said he had always been in favour of
allowing fair compensation whenever the House was
itJug important and extensive refor.ns. He did not
)t that a measure of public convenience ought to give
- Y to vested interests. But neither did he think that
vested intoreste should he interfered with, without corn-
pensatione.....( Hcar, hex.) It syss net advisable to make
the-coroner subordinate to any other Magistrate, or
otherwise to die' urb the relation or reduce the dignity of
iistee'-' ancient office. If this measure would greatly dim-
NO the emoluments of the coroner, the House was
(kiss(' in common justice, and by its own precedent in
ifti Bill of last year relating to the county of Che ter,
, • e '3ve him compensation.
e;:ree. WAKLEY thought what the Right Hon. Gen-
" #an had said. would have great weight both in the
House end out of it. With re.gsr 1 to what the Right
Hoe. Gentleman had said of the division countieo &c.,
lie (Mr. Wakley) had only spoken of counties that bad
been dividc'd for years, and lie asked the Rtet Hon.
Gentleman if he could hsve a county so divided in which
the business was belly done, Where there were excel,
tions, the law might be applied to them.
After a few words from Sir T. EGERTON,
Mr. BARNEB Y moved after the word "teenty one,"
to inset t "or within three miles thereof."
Mr. HUME thought the introduc'ion of those words
would merely add to the evil. It wee exceedingly de-
sirable that Ceroners should reside within thee' district?:
Mr. B ARNEBY said that he thought there was weight
in the objections of the Hon. Member for Finsbury to
giving additional
lchphoiweritioe
hJaudstibeeefso,rennadiluadtetdhetossahmoeultdimbee
tbeet the eves to y
pio'vlicti Ms . ,
Mr. PAKINGTON thought there was some force re
the Steciielle of the. Hen, Member for Kilkenny, and pro-
posed that instead of the amendment of his Hon. Friend,
the words to be !nteredoeed. should bet or in some city or
bdrough adjolniii thereto. Wi ihotistlit th Hon. and
Learned Member for Dublin must bel undef soMe tnl,talti
when he talked of vested interests. Yet he thought tliere
was so much force in what had fallen from his Right Hon.
Friend, that he
,sheuld not object in some future stags of
the !lilt to introduce a elatisegranting 0 milpeneation.
Mr. WA KLEY objected on principle to gieing the Mae
gistrates the power proposed to be given to them by 'he
BR The Coronae did not want compensation. What
they desired was that they should not be, entette red with
by the Magistrates in their exercise of thetteo r . of that ,
ancient office, to which they had b. en elect .. people.
The law was not, as had been suppose at the Lord
Chancellor could interfere in the appointment of coroners.
He would defy the Attorney .General to produce four in-
stances in the course of five centuries in which such apower
had been assumed. There were two cases on record in
which the Lord Chancellor had so interfered, but these
wweitrhoeuetxtareemareuncear; cases, where large districts were completely
of the conduct pur
Wakley) doubted whether the precedents would ever again
s uaendd chvaedn
bi ne
et
ah o
gseu
ees
taisueuse
dt.h e pHreo p(r ime try.
be followed. The proviso he proposed would be to the
effect that nothing in the Act should extend to any coro-
ner who had discharged his duties during a certain num-
ber of years past.
Mr. O'CONNELL said that whether or not the Lord
Chancellor had the power in question in extreme eases,
the interest of the coroner would no less be a vested one.
Sir R. PEEL thought that no public officer had a right
to claim protection by the exclusion of a measure which
might be considered as a public improvement. He had a
right to expect that his loss would be compensated for,
but not that he should prevent a legislative enactment.
Major AGLIONBY agreed with the Right Floe. Ba-
ronet. He should advocate compensation, but not the re-
jection of a measure enacted for the general good.
Mr. PAKINGTON bad no objection to the introduc-
tion of a clause granting compensation; and on a future
occasion he would take the opportunity of doing so.
Mr. WAKLEY then consented to withdraw his amend-
mend, and its was withdrawn accordingly.
TaTmhweocrltah, uscel,auinse sord,ewratsOthaesen ertain the result of the re-
commendation of the Right Hon, Baronet tho Member for
agreed to.
On clause 6 being proposed,
Colonel T. WOOD objected o the confining the fran-
cetise to those freeholders residing within the district ; it
proposed.
After a slight discussion, the
clause was
would have the effect of disfranchising many voters; and
he also thought that all the voters ought to be registered.
He moved that the words " residing within such district"
be left out.
Mr. HUME objected to the omission of the words.
The retention of those words 'would tend to diminish the
the expense of out-voters. When the Bill was introduced
he had objected to disfranchising any persons who had the
right cf voi,infr for coroner. He believed that at the pr.-
: clit 1407,14 ',CI Ut.:t": 'a ViCr:. eiseteel hy Uoisereal Sufi's,- go.
He proposed to give the right of voting to all persons
rated to the poor, which would give a constituency suffi-
ciently extensive and would secure a register unconnected