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London, England, 1847-07-08 00:00:00

RAILWAY COMMITTEES.
110 USE OF LORDS.—(YESTERDAY.)
Room B.
COVENTRY, BANBURY, AND OXFORD.
The Committee were occupied during the whole day
with the examination of Mr. Blyth, C.E., in support of
the proposed line, and Mr. R. Stevenson, C.E., in oppo-
sition thereto.
The Committee adjourned till eleven to-morrow.

Room D.

S01:7171 Tonmsnxitz (DONCASTER AND

GOOLE).
Mr. Cubitt, C.E., and other witnesses were examined
in support of tbis line.

Room F.
/LEADING, REIGATE, AND culLpronD.
The Committee met this morning at eleven.
The object of this proposed Bill is to enable the
Guildford and Reigate Company to construct a portion
of their lino between Dorking and Gomershall, wh'ch,
in the original Act, it was stipulated should be made by
the Direct Portsmouth R tilway Company.
Mr. David Salomons and other witnesses were called
in support of the Bill.
The Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock to-
morrow.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-(YESTERDAY.)
GROUP VI.

SOUTIEAMPTON AND DOZWECESTER. (ways-
BORNE AND nz.aNDroam BRANCH).
Evidence in favour of this line was offered.
Captain Moorsom, C.E., was also examined with re-
spect to the engineering features of the line.
The Committee adjourned till twelve to. morrow.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
HOUSE OF COMMONS, July 7.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
REGISTRATION OF VOTERS BILL.
On the order of the day being read for going into
Committee on this Bill,
Mr. V. SMITH urged the Government to withdraw
the Bill, as no practical good could come from proceed-
ing with it at this late period of the session.
Mr. WALPOLE was surprised that the Hon. Member
should have offered any opposition to the Bill. The Bill
was so framed as to do away with the objections which
were anticipated from Hon. Members.
Mr. NEWDEGATE said that the Committee was a
truly impartial one, and the clauses in the Bill had been
agreed to unanimously.
Mr. HEATHCOTE thought that the House were
losing time in discussing a B:11 which, at that late pe-
riod of the session, could not be carried out, and which
would not be entertained by the Parliament which would
succeed them.
Mr. CHARLES BULLER said that it was impossible
that such a discussion could be brought to a successful
determination in the present session. It was impossible
that they could get through the clauses this session, and
it would be better to leave this unprofitable debate at
once than waste two or three hours more in doing that
which could have no beneficial result, especially when a
dissolution of Parliament was so near at hand.
Mr. S. WORTLEY said that it certainly was not in
his opinion desirable that the Bill should be forwarded
in the present session—for, even supposing that they
could bring it to a conclusion, it would be productive of
no beneficial effect.
After a few words from Sir G. GREY and Mr. HEN-
LEY, which did not reach the gallery,
Mr. WALPOLE said that nothing was further from
his intention than to press this Bill against the desire of
the House, but he thought it but fair that if this Bill
were withdrawn that the other Bills upon the same sub-
ject should be also withdrawn.
Sir G. GREY said, that with regard to the Parliamen-
tary Elections No. 2 Bill, which was upon the paper fur a
second reeding. that Bill should be postponed until
to-morrow. There was some doubt as to whether it
would be advisable to proceed with that Bill during the
present session.
Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE said that it was not quite fair
to avoid the discussion upon this subject after the repeated
promises which had been male since the beginning of
the session to take the matter into the consideration of
the House. He thought that the termination of these
Bills with regard to the Parliamentary elections was most
unsatisfactory, and reflected very little credit upon the
House.
After a few words from Mr. B. ESCOTT and Mr.
CHRISTOPHER,
Mr. WALPOLE suggested that the Committee upon
this Bill be deferred until to-morrow, when the Noble
Lord at the head of the Government would declare what
his intentions were with regard to the other Bill.—(No.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that it was perfectly competent to the Hon. Gentleman
to postpone his motion until to-morrow, for it was per-
perfectly impossible that it could come on.—(Lsughter.)
He thought that the course suggested was a very fair
one, and the Hun. Member could is the meantime decide
what course he should pursue with regard to it.
Mr. NEW DEGATE said, that after the principle of
this Bill had been admitted by the House, it was not quite
fair to the mover of the Btll to shrink from its discussion
in the present session. He (Mr. Newdegate) thought
that the Bill was one which ought to be passed as speedily
as possible. He should in every way he could throw ob-
stacles in the way of other measures which were taken in
the place in which this Bill ought to be.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that this postponement was not the act of the Govern-
ment.
Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE moved the second reading
of the Bill.—(Cries of " Divide.")
Sir G. GREY said that if this motion were persisted
in he should be compelled to oppose it.
Mr. T. S. DUN COMBE said that the Bill was then
in the hands of the House, and if the Government wished,
they could, doubtless, postpone it till to-morrow.
After some further conversation,
Sir JAMES GRAHAM proposed that the order of
the day for the second reading of the Bill should be
postponed.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said he had already, in the ab-
sence of his Hon. and Gallant Friend, the Member for
Westminster, assented to such a proposal. (Here Sir
de Lacy Evans entered the House.) Now, however,
that his Hon. and Gallant Friend had come in he trusted
the second reading of the Bill would not be postponed,
but that his Hon. and Gallant Friend would proceed at
once to take the sense of the House upon the question.
If his Hon. and Gallant Friend would pursue that course
they would know at once who in that House was for
reform and who was not.
Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN said he for one should
give the Bill his decided opposition, and in order that
the opinion of the House might be tested upon it, he
hoped the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Dor-
chester would withdraw his proposition fur adjourning
the second reading.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM said his only reason for
making that proposal was the absence of the Hon. and
Gallant Gentleman who had charge of the Bill, and
now that the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman had come in,
he had no objection whatever to withdraw his proposi-
tion.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir DE LACY EVANS, in rising to move the
second reading of the Bill, took occasion to thank his
Honourable Friend the Member for Finsbury for
having taken care of his interest in his absence. He
was in the House just before the discussion camp on,
and he had merely gone out to have a conversation with
some of his constituents.—(hear, and laughter.) It was
a rare occurrence to see so large a House on a Wed-
nesday's sitting, and on that account he felt he had no
right to adjourn the second reading of this Bill. He
should, therefore, persevere in his motion for the
second reading of the Bill at once.--(Hear, hear.)
The object of the Bill was a simple one. It was
to alter the date at which it became necessary
for rates to be paid by voters, that is to say, the rates
payable on the 20th of July would be those due in the
preceding month of October, instead of the preceding
4th of April.
The House then divided, when there appeared—.
For the second reading
2
Against it
Majority against it
POOR REMOVAL AMENDMENT BILL.
Mr. BODKIN moved the second reading of this
Bill: The Poor Removal Bill passed last year provided
that no person who had resided in a parish five years
should be liable to be removed.
the spirit of such a provision, but infietimes not
ofdistresstject to
pressed heavily upon the parishes, and was excessively
inconvenient to the poor, whom it was meant to serve.
It threw so many ,
were unable to jurf full upon the parishes that they
justice to their own poor; and the
object of this Bill was n
so to amend the law that the
maintenance of the on
to relief through havingreenTdipo or, who were entitled
e-e-
in
a
mon fund of the union,
parish five years
should be thrown upon the es
instead of upon the individual"'
parishes.
to make the measure temporary,
w"willing
Mr. CHRISTOPHER objected to the Bill on the
ground of its centralizing character.
After a few words from Sir W. JOLLIFFE, who
opposed the Bill,
Mr. SPOONER did not intend to object to the
reading of the Bill, but he thought it quite truestehert da
very great burden was laid on the towns, and that
sures should be taken for the purpose of relieving tLeraa.
He thought it fair that those towns which were unions.
in themselves should have the same privileges as those
which formed only a part of unions.
Sir GEORGE GREY said, that as the principle of
the Bill had been already so fully discussed he did not
think it necessary to take up the time of the House by
further discussing it. Ile would not oppose the second
reading, as he believed it would remove many of the
evils of the Bill of last session.
After a few words from Sir JOHN PAKINGTON,
Mr. FLOYER was opposed to the Bill. He believed
it would be Found quite inoperative.
Mr. HENLEY supported the Bill. The evils which
at present existed in the law required a remedy, and
believing that the Bill would have the effect of removing
them he would support the (1. second reading.
Mr. WAKLEY thought theßillwainsgnecessary, but
from all he saw and heard they must come eventually to
a national rate for the support of the poor, and until
that was the case the poor would never be treated as
they ought.
Mr. BANKS was in favour of the repeal of the Act
e
of last session, and he was very happy to hear the Hon.
Member for Finsbury admitting that there were
evils' hn.
that measure.l:lierse ivese many attempts to amend
tbgt 11.44 41:1! nre,ont measure proposed to
teak 6••• _ = suit in it, he wuutd Out Oppose it ;
buts t did not go far enough, and he hoped
it wintlldtirertiii“tAaily improved when it went into Com-
mittee .
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Mr. P. BORTHWICK was opposed to the Bill, but
would not move an amendment.
The Bill was was then read a second time, and ordered
to be committed.
JUVENILE OFFENDERS BILL.
The Lords' amendments on this Bill were considered
and agreed to.
COMPENSATION FOR
ILL DAMAGES (IRELAND)
B.
This Bill was postponed till to-morrow.
NATURALIZATION OF ALIENS BILL.
This Bill was read a second time.
STOCK-IN-TRADE EXEMPTIONS BILL.
The report upon this Bill was brought up and agreed to.
Several other Bills were postponed till to morrow, and
the House adjourned at a Quarter to Six o'clock.