The Sun.
London, England, 1841-11-15 00:00:00

HONEY MARKET and CITY NEWS

FROM THE MORNING PAPERS OF SATURDAY.
TlMES.—Notice has been already taken of.,the in-
fluence upon the Money Market generally of the deal-
ings in spurious Exchequer bills, and more especially
the high rate of interest occasionally paid for loans upon
them during the last four or five years, but the subject
is still capable of much further illustration. A letter
from a mercantile firm in the north of England goes into
some practical details respecting it, and shows that to
this cause is to be ascribed many of the sudden and dis-
tressing fluctuations in discounts which at the time ap-
peared to be so unaccountable. They state, that for the
last 18 months they have frequently remonstrated with
their brokers on the high rates charged on first class
bills, and were always met with the reply " that cer-
tain rates were to be obtained for loans on Exchequer
bills, and that they were compelled consequently to ad-
vance the rate on commercial paper." The cause of such
high rates for loans was always a problem, the solution
of which, however, the detection of this nefarious
traffic renders easy enough . It is manifest that large
sums must have been continually taken up by the guilty
parties, and most probably, to avoid suspien, spread
widely over the London money-market, thus producing
a fictitious demand for money at high rates. Those
by whom the great discount brokers are supplied
with means, would learn this condition of the market,
and would naturally demand higher rates than custo-
mary upon mercantile paper. This is a point which
requires to be well considered and understood by the
great money dealers, as it may tend to restore the
money-market the sooner to its naturally healthy state,
from which it ought never to have been disturbed.
Thus it appears, on whichever side the question is
viewed, what fatal consequences have followed the neg-
lect at the Treasury of the simple precautions necessary
to guard against irregular issues ; the whole of the
commercial and financial system of the country has been
disturbed, and a severe retribution, it is evident, must
take place upon the Government itself. Whatever
punishment the ordinary course of law may award to
the guilty parties for the direct offence, there will still
remain, to quote the letter referred to, " a fearful reckon-
ing, which no punishment or compensation can reach,
for the disorganization of a market which rules all
others."
The feelings of men of business all over the kingdom
are very strong on the subject, and they naturally and
anxiously look to the Ministry now h power for the
adoption of measures which may avert all risk of the re-
currence of so fearful an evil.
The stamp which is put on the authenticated Exche-
quer bills, although it gives them a decided value as dis-
tinguished from those that are yet unmarked, has not
proved sufficient entirely to restore public confidence in
the Exchequer bill market, even so far as those marked
bills are concerned. Two of the leading brokers in that
particular department of business have, it is said, re-
solved to abandon it, unless some new guarantee shall be
found to render imitative bills impossible, a degree of
certainty which they consider is by no means attained-by
the rude stamp at present employed. -What many of the
brokers seem' to desire is the appointment of a testing-
office in the City, to which immediate reference might
be made at every fresh transaction; the decision of this
office to be so absolute as always to entail a Government
responsibility. Such an institution many are of opinion
would be the only one really calculated to restore the
market, and it might be easily combined with the plans
already alluded to for transferring the Exchequer bill
. department to the Bank of England or the National
Debt-office.

SHIPWRECK—HEROIC CONDUCT
(From the South African Commercial Advertiser of
September 8.)
On Saturday last the Prince Rupert, from London, with
pas lc tigers and cargo for New Zealand, in entering Table
Bay, about nine o'clock in the evening, ran aground on
Mouilte Point, stuck fast, and will be a total wreck.
When the Prince Rupert struck, about fifteen minutes
past nine o'clock, she was, on firing a gun, observed from
the Bucephalus, Indiaman, at anchor about two miles from
the point, within the Bay, and a boat under the orders of
the chief officer, Mr. John R.Merewether, put off to render
assistance. Mr. Merewether succeeded during the night
in making three trips between the wreck and the Buce-
phalus, bringing off thirty of the people, besides others
that he put on board the boats that were near him at
different periods of the night.
About five o'clock, fancying that some person still re
mained on board the Prince Rupert, Mr. Merewether pro-
ceeded to the wreck a fourth time, with a crew of seven
men, the surgeon of the Prince Rupert, and Mr. Frood, a
passenger, whom be had previously brought on board the
Bucephalus. When they came under the stern of the
wreck, a short sea broke over the boat, and nearly filled
it, and the succeeding wave upset her, and this gallant
and humane young officer, with three of his crew and Mr.
Frood, perished in the surf among the rocks.
dtlgmenCe
It is impossible to express the grief which the un-
amitotfriSeisprecFtaunte
timely death of this excellent young man has caused on
board the Bucephalus, where his talents, his many ac-
complishments,sition had made him the object of universal respect and
Commander,
generous
ad
ni dispo-
sition and his most noble and
company of passen-
tahffeeentuionineroOusf himan d
passen-
gers by the Bucephalus, speak in the
highest terms of
esteem ; and Mr. Fulcher laments the loss of his first
officer and friend as the severest calamity that could pos-
sibly have befallen him.
Mr. Merewether was in his twenty-fifth year. He
was the son of Mr. Sergeant Merewether Whitehall-
place, London. His body was found in the course of
Sunday, and buried on Monday last, being attended to
the grave by a large number of the inhabitants of Cape

The following evidence was adduced before the Coroner
and Jury:—
George Ashton, of Bailey-field, pen-knife grinder, de-
posed—About ten minutes to twelve o'clock on Sunday,
I heard a noise in Red-croft, and I went out of my house
to see what it was about. I saw Mrs. Rodgers falling
out with William Stringer. They got to very high
words, and I saw her strike him several times with her
hand, and he struck her again with his fist, and knocked
her down. She got up and flew at him again, and wanted
to strike him, but he got away, and her mother
wanted to get her away into the house. She refused to go.
In the meantime Henry Rodgers came up Red-croft in a
very great hurry, andmade a stroke at Stringer .with his
fist, and knocked him diztwn. I did not see any knife in
Rodgers's hand when he struck him. Stringer was in
the act of getting up when he saw Rodgers strike him
with a knife, which he had in his right, and cut- him
through the neck. The wound bled very much. The
knife that Rodgers stabbed-Stringer with was a shoe-
maker's knife, tapering from the haft to the point.
By the CORONER—I heard Mrs. Rodgers call Stringer
an idle skulking thief, and Stringer said she could not
prove him one.
George Jenkinson, of Union-lane, hammer-maker, de-
posed that he was standing with a person named Smith,
at the top of Red-croft, on Sunday morning about eleven
o'clock. After standing a short time, he saw Rodgers
come running up Red-croft. Stringer was also standing
at the top of Red-croft at the time when Rodgers came
up. While witness was standing at the top of Rederoft,
Mrs. Rodgers came across, and he heard Stringer call
Mrs. Rodgers by some most abusive terms. She told
him to pull that silver lace off him, and then Mrs.
Rodgers's mother told him to pull his coat off. When
she had said that, Stringer said to Mrs. Rodgers that he
would kick her, and she went up and struck Stringer
over the face several times. Stringer then knocked her
down. Her mother then came up and took her away,
and Mrs. Rodgers went to the window of her house, but
witness did not hear what she said. Immediately after
this Rodgers came running up. Witness supposed that
Rodgers was going to strike Stringer with his fist. Rod-
gers struck Stringer in the side. 'Witness distinctly saw
Rodgers draw the knife out of Stringer's side. Witness
was about a yard from Stringer when he was stabbed by
Rodgers.
Mary Ann, the wife of Wm. Angelo Andrews, of
Red-croft, die-sinker, deposed--I was in my own
house, in Red-croft, on Sunday morning, between eleven
and twelve o'clock, when I heard a noise. I went to

the door, and Henry Rodgers's wife and Vim. Stringer
were quarrelling. I heard them both make use of a
deal of very abusive language. Rodgers opened the
window of his garret, where he was working, and said to
his wife " Never mind what he calls thee, come in." She
said " Nay," and ran back to the top of Red-croft in a hurry,
and said she would be revenged of that bully—meaning
Stringer. Mrs. Rodgers then ran up to Stringer, and
struck him twice upon the face. I saw Rodgers get up
t his window. He did not open it, but looked through
it, and then came down stairs,-and out of the house, and
walked a few yards. I did not see anything in . his
hand at that time. He went back again into the
house, and came out a second time. I then saw a shoe-
maker's knit. •in his left hand. I called out " mind—

he has a knife," and upon that Rodgers turned the
blade up his sleeve. I heard him say, " I mean it,
and I'll do it." When he got past my door he began to
run. I saw Stringer in the act of attempting to pick up
a piece of a brick, which was lying on the ground, when
I saw Rodgers run up to him, and stab with the knife
. .

in his left Thigh.
By the Coroner—l saw Rodgers pull the knife out of
Stringer's neck; blood followed, and-the knife smoked
as if it had been used in killing a pig.
Sarah, the wife of John Palmer, of Red-croft, scale
cutter, deposed to the stabbing of Stringer in his right
side by Rodgers.
John Smith, of Red-croft, table-knife cutler, gave
similar evidence to that of the witness Jenkinson,- and
stated further, that after Stringer had been stabbed, he
followed Rodgers to get the knife from him, and he said
that if he went near him he would do the same for him
as he had done to Stringer. Rodgers did not appear in
a passion.
James Maxwell, a policeman stated that after seeing
Stringer, whom he found sitting in a chair in a house,
bleeding from the neck, he went to the house of Rodgers.
The door was fastened ; but on witness knocking it
was opened. Witness found Rodgers in the garret. He
told Rodgers that he had made a pretty job of it, as he
had nearly killed a man, on which Rodgers said, " It is
nothing more than he intended to do to me ; as he had a
knife to do so to me last night." Witness asked him
where the knife was that he had done the deed with, and
Rodgers pointed to his seat where his knife was lying,
and told him that was it. Witness took the knife and
Rodgers into his custody.
Mr. Thomas Thorpe, clerk to Mr. Albert Smith, the
magistrates' clerk,deposed—ln consequence:of information
given to me soon after ten o'clock on Sunday night, that
Wm. Stringer was in a dangerous state, I went to his lodg-
ings, and there found Mr. Raynor. He said ho did nut
think he should recover. He then made a statement,
which I took down word for word, and it is signed by
Stringer, and witnessed by myself and Mr. Raynor. It is
in the following words:—"William Stringer, of Red-croft,
Sheffield, carter, says—l am 25 years of age. I used to lodge
with Henry Rodgers, and left his house filthy, about two
months since. I have lodged here since. I met Rod-
gers's wife this morning in Red-croft, and we began dif-
ferino about it; site came and gave me a shove. I
shoved her down, and then she went to fetch her hus-
band, Henry Rodgers. He was coming up Red-croft
and I was going, down; I saw he had a knife in his
hand, and as 30011,4tS I saw that, I stooped down to sam
up a stone, and before I could sam up the stone he was
upon me with a shoe-knife in his hand ; he stuck me
with it in the thigh, then in the neck on one side, and
then on the other, and then under the groin. He never
spoke nor I either ; that was all ; I bled like a pig ;
some one took him away. I was brought up home,
and a doctor and a policeman were sent for; it was a
little before twelve o'clock at noon. I and Rodgers had
never any quarrel no farther than me telling him about
this filth ; we had never any quarrel about anything
else; I have never spoken to Rodgers these seven weeks.
This statement is the truth, as I expect shortly to ap-
pear before my Maker."
Mr. George Turton, surgeon, deposed—l was called in
on Sunday last to see the deceased, William Stringer,
about one o'clock. I understand his death took place
just before twelve o'clock on Monday. I saw him alive
the last time about nine o'clock on Sunday evening, and
I did not then think he would survive many hours. I
have made a post mortem examination of the body of the
deceased: Externally the body presented the general
appearances of previous good health. The wound was
about an inch and a quarter in.breadth ; on laying open
the cavity of the belly there was a large quantity of
fluid and coagulated blood, evidently the conrequenco of
a wound in some of the vessels of the belly. On exa-
mining the neck, we found a wound under the lower
jaw, on the left side, about an inch and a quarter in
length, end on the right side; of about three quarters of
an inch. There was a communication between the two
wounds as if the knife had passed completely through
the neck. The injury was such as would be inflicted
by a violent stroke with a knife, such as that now pro-
duced. I attribute the death of the deceased to the
wound on the left hip, penetrating into the belly, wound-
ing the intestines, and the consequent loss of blood. In
my opinion the wound in the neck would: not 'have been
a fatal one.
gone, through, the
The whole evidence having been
prisoner Henry Rodgers was brought in,
.
and after being
informed of the' inquiry going on, the whole of the evi-
dence was read over to him. He then made the follow-
ing voluntary statement :—On Sunday morning I com-
menced reading a work published in Edinburgh, on
steam-engines. I had scarcely read a page, when my
wife called out to me that Stringer, the deceased, had
been telling the people in the street that he had
had intercourse with her several times. He expressed
it in 'the' most blackguard and obscene manner he
could. I told her not to mind what he said, I did not
credit it, and to come into the house or otherwise go to
her mother's. She went to her mother's. I don't know
whether I read any at this time or not, when I was
shouted by several people to come out, as Stringer was
killing Bess. I also heard my little girl cry "Father." I
restrainbd going the first call and the second, until I was
shouted repeatedly to come out. I ran down stairs and
into the street ; I saw my wife bleeding, I think from
the left side of the mouth ; the right side of her face was
completely bruised and a lump on her chin the size of a
small egg, from a stroke. My wife and child were crying
at the time. I ran towards Stringer ; when I came within
a yard or two of him, he attempted to lift a stone or
a brick ; I closed on him, and laid hold of him ; where
I struck him I don't know. I have nothing further to
say, only I went down to my own house, and one of the
police came and asked me for the knife, and I gave it
him. I may mention one thing, that I had been threat-
ened by Shemeld and the deceased on Saturday night,
to put a knife in my guts, but not in my hearing. The
policeman his stated what I said to him wrong.—To this
statement the prisoner affixed his name.
The CouctiEß afterwards proceeded to sum up the evi-

like Antinomianisin in religion to beget a spirit of de-
pendence.—of " dependinn, on Providence"—if persons
failed to do all they could° for themselves. Man in his
individual capacity (he said) was unable to accomplish
some things which he might accomplish by joining with
others. It was the duty of man to observe the laws of
nature, and to endeavour to convert them to his own be-
nefit. Of those laws there were a great many that man
had some knowledge of : the law of the seasons, the
pressure of the atmosphere, and a great many others
which he might name. There were, however, some _ag-
gregate laws also which man might convert for his own
benefit. What law was more determined, perhaps, than
that of the near equality of the sexes? Yet nothing ap-
peared a greater chance than whether a male or female
should be born in a particular family. The law of mor-
tality was of a similar character : the time of death was
uncertain to all ; yet in taking the mass of mankind in
any given age, it might be predicted how many would
die within a year almost with as much certainty as pre-
dictions could be made concerning the various seasons of
the year. The same remarks might be applied to the
law of sickness. It was from these laws that calculations
were made, with a view of providing for the aggregate
amount of sickness and death among the whole Society.
After stating shortly the details of the Society, he said it
behoved those who comprised it to be cautious in the selec-
tion of their members as to their health and constitution.

It behoved them also in looking at their funds to be very
cautious that they did not draw false inferences from
their accumulation. Those which were destined to pro-
vide for a superannuated allowance must go on accurou-
lating until the age at which the parties were to have the
allowance. The same with respect to endowments for
children. The admission of new members likewise should
not be viewed in a wrong light ; they did not pay any-
thing to aid those-who had previously joined the Society.
but only helped.to make a more sure average, and in
their turn to. form a succeeding class, that the Society,
might be earried on from one gerierition to another. It
was also to be rememberede9that- as old age ad-
vanced incapacity for . khpun increased, and sick-
ness increased,
_and that therefore the subscrip-
tions which were to pteVfaa' for the whole term
of life, ought necessarily to be more than would cover the
outgoings of the Society during the first few years of its
existence. Ou.these accounts it behoved all the mem-
bers not to be anxious to divide the money if it should
accumulate', but' to husband sufficient for all the casual-

ties that might 'come. upon them. He also hoped that
some members, would be found willing to fill gratuitously
the different offices of the Institution, either in rotation
or otherwise, as the calculations did not include any pro-
vision for that purpose.
Mr.- ROBERT OWEN (Eryron Gwyllt Walla) then pro-
duced an elegant and massive silver teapot, and said that
the duty entrusted to him on thit occasion was a most
agreeable one to his feeling. IC Lc. 14.1 15n‘,.,1./ 24r.
Hugh Oaten only as Secretary to the Welsh Provident
Society from its formation to that time—then nearly
five years—his conduct during that period—his zeal and
perseverance on behalf of the Society—would have ren-
dered the duty of presenting, through the Chairman,
that small token of their hearty acknowledgment of his
services a most pleasing one. But it happened that they
were, and had been for many years, personal friends,
and that circumstance enhanced the pleasure not a little
of having then to unite with his brethren, the members
of the Society, in paying this tribute of respect to one
who had so justly deserved it. He desired from his heart
long life to his friend to enjoy his reward.—(Cheers.)
The recollections connected with a present of this na-
ture could not be unimportant. Perhaps the chil-
dren, and even the grandchildren, of the friend they
had met to honour, looking at the handsome ves-
sel after he should be gathered . to his fathers,
would be reminded that their parent had been respected,
beloved in his day, and had been useful to his genera-
tion; and such' recollections would doubtless tend to
awaken in them a desire to walk in his footsteps and to
imitate bis exemplaryconduct. He adverted to the pre-
sent itself—and complimented the Committee on the
taste and judgment they evinced, and he considered it
creditable to the Society to have presented their Secre-
tary with an article at once useful and ornamental, and
they wished, thereby, he had no doubt, to convey a
wholesome lesson, that to be useful is the greatest orna-
ment of life. And it was not the least gratifying circum-
stance attending the presentation, that it was done on the
same auspicious day that had given birth to a Prince of
Wales. In the name of the members of the Society, as a
small token of their esteem towards Mr. Owen, and the
value they attached to his unremitting services as their
Secretary, he begged his acceptance from the hands of
the Chairman of the piece of plate.
Hyn o rodd sydd yn arwyddo
et gwir
Ddiolchgarwch iddo—
Haul fu ei rad'lafur o,
l)yfal m einydd diflino.
The SECRETARY rose, and was received with loud
cheers. 'He said, he sincerely thanked his friends, the
members of that Society, for the mark of their good
feeling towards him which they had just given, and of
the sense which they appeared to entertain of his voly
humble services. He should value that gift very highly,
not because it was silver, but because it conveyed to
him a testimony of the good feeling of so many kind
friends towards him, and of their approbation of his
conduct as an officer of their Society for a period of
nearly five years. He regretted to find that he was the
only one who was made the object of any particular
distinction connected with the Society, because there
were others equally entitled to similar marks of appro-
bation. He considered it his duty to state, that he
could have done nothing unless he had been ably
assisted by other zealous and persevering friends. He
must, in particular, name his friend Mr. John Davies,
the Treasurer—(Cheers)—who and himself were, per-
haps, the originators of the Society. Their President,
Mr. Griffith Davies, had given them very great
assistance in preparing,. the tables of the So-
ciety, and in approving of the rules, and especially in
the weight and character which his name had
afforded to the Society. He could not fail to name his
friend, Mr. Robert Owen, who had said so many kind
things
gratifying
of him that evening, in a language whichsalin
some of
them
did not understand. It was particularly
to him to receive such • a token from his hands, for they
had been on terms of friendship from boyhood. He
ought to refer, likewise to the assistancewh rendered to the
SocietylTi
tbhythAelr.pJriennekipinleJs Jones,
which Benefit
practical acquaint-.
was such as rendered his aid peculiarly valuable.
ab na se
based,
d Societies are
Several others, who had thebehen.., means of giving a be-
gibennnainniged.to the
It
wSasociteotyi,tionlugist a so, if time permitted, to
sur-
prise that such a Society h(adr.noOtwbeenen) aormigaitntaetredo f
long
before, for they were in London a very large body, es-
timated by some at about forty thousand. He alluded
to the peculiar difficulty they had to contend with, from
the fact of many of those for whose benefit it was formed
being indifferent to the advantages held out. That cir-
cumstance had in some degree discouraged them, but as
they went on they found that theygrew in strength ; and
he was glad to say that they were continuing to increase
in numbers.—(Cheers.) Mr. Owen stated that the
Society was formed in January, 1837, and the
rules enrolled in the month of March, 1838 ;
the number of the benefit members was at present 63,
of honorary members 12, making a total of 75. Four
of the benefit members had died since the formation of
the Society. The total amount received from the pre-
miums of the benefit members, and from the interest of
monies in the savings' bank,
the reles of
amount paid to sick members, and to
rtehrnatiutmhesreofnhrnilascehmn,boveas .
ford'
fund than
a Valance of
de-
ceased members, was 94/. ss. ; giving()
was 174/. 15s.
.T he total
BthOaLt lana—e rtisierß the 'd,
and the rofit ef
forme by alth
subscriptions however, oa sdf
bst
huYoneflt silbinueogrnpP tri
as r
y fund, w
members,
of the Society, was upwards of 100/.
all the expenses
excursions, the actual balance now in hand, afterp
paysinog
He also stated that fifteen new members had been added
during the present year. He concluded by again sin-
cerely thanking them for the kind taken of their regard
towards him, stating that it would stimulate him, he
hoped, to greater exertion on behalf of the interests
of the Society than be had hitherto manifested. He was
induced originally to lay his hand to the work from a

sense of duty, but he felt now that a sense of gratitude
would compel him to persevere.
Societyh thatad l
ert
uh
teeJhralaxddi
ea
precludedill,
ins T
taoidi
eis:reeisxn,
iancthei
oeenhssofei addressingitr3t,hoeft
respectedh ebi
his
objects
meeting,
Chairmantki
innoggf, staahni
the
the
observations on that point, which lie had otherwise in-
tended to have done. He remarked that the principle of
mutual combination, or of mutual aid, had been found
necessary from the earliest ages ; that originally the
only combination for mutual aid that was needed, was
that of mutual defence from robbers and the beasts of
the forest ; but, as society advanced, and nations arose,
and entered into commerce with each other, those who
had embarked their property at sea found it absolutely
necessary to unite together to provide some means by
which the risks which they incurred should be covered.
Hence the introduction of marine insurance. At
length the principle was extended to the life of man,
and to the casualties of sickness and old age, which
was the principle, in fact, on which their Society was
-founded. He would particularly urge upon the mem-
bers of the Society the absolute necessity of a continuous
iufusion of new members, without which it would neces-
sarily did a natural death. He would also urge upon
them to watch jealously the proceedings of the Com-
mittees and the. leading members ; for (said he) you
cannot always guarantee the conduct of your affairs
by a Mr. Owen and a Mr. John Davis, to
whom is due,. in a great measure, the existence
of the Society, and who have devoted much time,
and displayed great zeal, iu conducting it to its
present apparent prosperous condition. He would
mention a circumstance which had come to his know-
ledge that day, as showing the absolute necessity of per-
sons entering Societies of this description while young.
A person of the name of Thomas, a carpenter, who, he
believed, was known to most of them, and who had al-
ways been considered an industrious and well behaved
man, but who had neglected to join a Benefit Society,
had met with an accident, which deprived him of the
means of obtaining his liVelihood. He was now resident
in an hospital, and he had been informed that the Rev.
Mr. Williams had made an application to the Religious
Society of this place on his behalf. He (Mr. Jones)
could not help regretting that this unfortunate individual
should be obliged to ask charity from persons, many of
whom were themselves paying to cover their own risks,
when that individual might himself have provided for the
calamity which had now befallen him. Mr. Jones then
proceeded to animadvert upon some observations which
had been made at a previous meeting by the Rev. Mr.
Williams, on the comparative value of Benefit Societies,
and Saving Banks, which lie regarded as calculated to pro-
duce an unfavourable impression on the minds of the
audience with reference to the advantages to be derived
from Benefit Societies ; he was induced particularly to
speak on that point, as he knew that any observa-
tions and advice emanating from that Reverend
Gentleman, lie being one of their pastors, would have
very great weight. He (Mr. Jones) would certainly advise,
and he thought that the Chairman would concur with
him, that provision should first be ramie to cover the
contingencies to which they were all liable ; and that
after that hail been dune; whatever surplus funds might
be possessed by the members, would be very advantage-
ously deposited in a Savings' Bank. The speaker then
remarked on the extraordinary difficulty experienced in
inducing persons to join the Society—and observed that
we are commanded to love our neighbours as ourself ;
but he could not conceive how a man could do that and
run the risk, or even contemplate the idea, of dying and
leaving a wife and children dependent upon the cold
charity of friends and the world. He felt he was oc-
cupying the time of the meeting, but he would, never-
theless, say a great deal more if he thought it would
have a good effect ; but he would only observe, in con-
clusion, that he himself could not conceive that man to
be a conscientiously religious man who neglected those
things; for it was distinctly stated in one of the com-
mandments, that the Lord our God was a jealous God,
visiting the sins of the father upon the children, unto the
third and fourth generation of those that hated him and
kept not his commandments. Now he was well aware
that it was the fashion of sceptics and infidels to
dispute the justice of that command, but the
punishment threatened was not to be regarded as a
direct punishment. It was not the transportation of a
son for the robbery by the father, but it was the evil
arising as the natural consequence of, the father's sin ;
and who can tell the extent of injury to the third and
fourth generations, to that man's children who is im-
provident; and neglects providing for his family in the
event of his early death ; and, on the other hand, in the
fulfilment of the remainder of the Commandment, " And
I will show mercy unto thousands of them that love me,

and keep.my commandments ?" Who can tell the extent
of the blessings to, and the prosperity of, the future
generations of children of those parents who have
obeyed the Commandments, and have consequently,
among other things, discharged their duties, as parents,
in providing for their children to the best of their means,
so as to enable them to be independent, and to hold
their heads up as decent and respectable members of
society ?
Mr. Wm. MORGAN addressed the meeting in Welsh ;
after which he made a few observations is English,
stating that he was aware that a great portion of the
meeting did no; understand the Welsh language. He
remarked on the additional interest which was given to
the meeting by the presence of so many ladies. He
said it was impossible, when ladies and gentlemen met
together, for a very great attraction not to be produced;
and where ladies and gentlemen thus saw each other, it
might lead to their going to church together—(Laughter)
and thus promoting the objects of the Society, by en-
rolling themselves amongst its members. He had no
doubt :hat the Society would continue to flourish, and he
heartily wished it success.
The tiev. WILLIAM ILLIAMS Wit 3 tacit',idled upon
to address the meeting, and stated that he must have
been altogether misunderstood by his friend, Mr. Jenkin
Jones, in the allusion which he had just made. As far
as he could recollect, he (Mr. Williams) had said
that he certainly approved of such societies as benefit
societies, and should himself be a member of one, be-
cause he considered them essential societies ; but, at the
same time, he intimated that he should not only be a
member f a provident society, but should also lay a
little money in the Savings Bank, that he might be
enabled from the one and the other, in times of difficulty,
to relieve himself. He would say, by all means be a
member of this Provident-Society, for it was the very
thing to support the spirit of independence which their
worthy Chairman had recommended. His aim was to
be independent—and yet depending entirely upon
Divine Providence ; he hoped and trusted that
Welshmen as well as any body else, would. be
independent, dependent only upon the blessing
of Gcd.—(Cheers.) He would just make one other re-
mark which had occurred to which was that when
it was urged that great care should be taken that the
members admitted were healthy members, it had struck
him what must become of the delicate and the infirm.
Should another Society be formed to support them, or
would that healthy Society reach out a hand to them. He
should propose that no one should be rejected except the
drunkard. He concluded by saying that lie hoped the
blessing of Providence would rest upon their heads.
Mr. J. JoNEs requested to offer a few words in expla-
nation. He stated that on the former occasion Mr. Wil-
liams had addressed the meeting in Welch, and the mis-
take under which lie (Mr. Jones) had laboured, with re-
spect to what lie had said, must be attributable to his
not understanding the Welsh language so well, perhaps,
as he ought to da ; but he was not sorry that he had
fallen into a mistake, for it had brought his friend out,
and he was sure that the observations he had made this
evening would do the Society more good than any which
had fallen from any member of the Society. He
"aid, however, with all due respect to his friend,
put himself in antagonism to him again. He
(Mr. Jones) knew that a great deal too much sympathy
existed in the Club already. Benefit Societies were not
made for those in a weakly condition, they were only
made for the strong and healthy. The tables were cal-
culated upon the average chances of sickness among
those who were strong and healthy, and to afford them
the means While young
and healthy to provide against
the casualties of sickness and old age.
Mr. OWEN WYNNE THOMAS addressed the meeting in
Welsh. -
Mr. JAMES, in addressing the meeting, said that it was
one thing for which the Welsh were to bo blamed that
Societies like the present were not more general, and
that other demonstrations of public spirit in London or
elsewhere had not been evinced ; and he considered that
want of spirit to be a reason of the degree of contempt,
if he might use so harsh a word, in which the
were held among other nations. Ile was quite sureltN thate.sti
there did- exist in the Welsh a great deal of sinnr!fe,stedu t
.
from some cause or other that spirit Was not manifested.
,Mr. BANKS, an Honorary Member,
beingaorded him as
to address the meeting, stated that it _ called upon
present to have witnessed the mark, (.
Ad Secretary. He was
had been shown to their respect— , • _
much pleasure, lie was sure, as itdid_caensyt'ecinmdi,Nvildiuicahl
considered it was upon
glad to hear of the steady
the benefit members, because he
Society
though gradual increase or
accessions to their funds which
and not upon the casual
tcursions and from the sub-
scriptionsmight be reaped from
members.e lie therefore trusted
those members alone that the ought to depend,
of honorary
have
had been the case with previous
beneficial effect in producing the
those members.
increase in the number of d
th
mtheaettitnligast,mlse,oeutlidn",as
w. oacisemyoved tsbyt
Mr.
o.
Welsh. to the Chairman for the kind s
The Rev. RICHARD JoNEs addressed the meeting in
A vote of thanks u`
the,St from •
com-
mencement, and
that
the able manner in which the chair
although he knew it was customary, and did not di
phoadrt
RowLAND, and seconded by Me. LLOYD, and carried
bweehnichfi
he
lled
unanimously.
adtl:afitbredveednin evening
The CHAIRMAN, in returning thanks, said
te its being done with a good intention and good feel-
ing, pu
yet for his part lie would rather never have a vote
of thanks passed to the Chairman when he was in the
chair. However he would not trespass on their time by
making a speech, but would only say that whatever ser-
vices he had been able to render to the Society, as he
had done heretofore so he would endeavour to, do in
future.—(Cheers.)
The meeting then separated.

BARONETCY OF THORNTON.—On the 26th
ult., John Strachan, Esq., of Thornton and of Cliffden,
Teignmouth, Devonshire, was served as nearest and
lawful heir male in general to the deceased Sir Alex-
ander Strachan, of Thornton, who was raised to the
dignity of Baronet by King Charles 1., 28th May, 1625.
The Baronetcy of Strachan, of Thornton, had remained
in abeyance, since the death of Admiral Sir Richard John
Strachan, G.C.8., Who died in 1328.—Western Exeter

The Earl of Delawarr (Lord High Chamber-
lain) had an interview with Sir 1 t. Peel on Saturday morn-
ing at the Right Hon. Baronet's residence in Whitehall-
gardens.

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