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stand pledged to vote for the- Insurrection. act, as.a permanent
measure. _

The Report having been read,
The NOBLE MARQUIS said, that he thought the evidence
justified the proposed renewal of the measure for a limited
period, till the Committee should be able to resume the inquiry.
This renewal was necessary, not for the sake of the rich alone,
but for that of the poor. He then stated, that in the course of
the next Session he should propose, not only to inquire into.the
state of the Districts where the Insurrection Act should be in
operation, but to extend it those where it had been.
Lord HOLLAND only rose to be able to record on the
Journals of the House the reasons which induced him to give,
his decided vote against that unconstitutional and: illegal,Bill.
He objected to it, not from any doubt of the existence of dis-
turbances in Ireland, but because he was convinced that, far.
from tending. to tranquillize, such measures coultl,enly.serve.to
perpetuate and aggravate the evils which it was pretended
they would allay. They inculcated in the people disrespect
of the laws ; whilst they taught the gentry to look for security,
not to the preservation, but to the suspension and violation of
those laws. He admitted that the conduct of the Govern-
ment of Ireland was mild and temperate, and that by, con-
ceding the late Committee, the Noble Lord opposite had open
ed the door to inquiry, and created a gleam.of hope. But he
was surprised that in introducing such a bill to the House, the
Noble President of the Council should not have condescended
to explain the grounds on which it was founded.
The Earl of HARROWBY• explained, that having brought
in the bill at the recommendation of a Committee composed
of Members from both sides of tke House, and well versed in
the situation of Ireland, and after it had been agreed that no
evidence -should yet be produced, and that the House should
be called upon to give a vote of confidence, he had thought it
more respectful to suffer the measure to rest entirely on. the
opinions of that Committee than on any statement of his own.
—He admitted that it was impossible that the Insurrection Act
should produce permanent tranquillity in Ireland, but it would
prottire her a pause from violence—a breathing time, which
ndert be employed by Parliament in devising better means of
giving her lasting peace and security.
After a few words from the Earl of CARBERRY, Lord
PauramE, and Lord GORT, the Bill was read a third time,
passed, and ordered to be returned to the Commons.

•
TYTHES IN IRELAND.
The Earl of LIVEItPOOL having moved the second read-
ing of the Irish Tythes Composition Amendment Bill,
The Earl of KINGSTON was understood to oppoie it as
calculated to give great advantages to the Clergy.
The Bishop of LIMERICK defended the measure, and said
that it did nothing more than give the Clergy what was their fair'
right, whilst it tended to remove the grounds of difference be-
tween them and their parishioners. He then vindicated the
Irish Church from the unjust charges brought against it in pe-
titions for Warded to both Houses, which he considered as an
abuse of the right of petition, committed however not by those
who presented, but by those who sent them. 'He showed by a
reference to the charge of the Archbishop of Cashel and by seve-
ral other documents, that instead of non-residence being common
in Ireland, the number of resident Clergymen was compara-
tively far greater than in England, and comprised nearly the
totality of the Irish Clergy. He next adverted to those unjust
and unconstitutional principles, that led men to attack the
property of the Church ; and maintained that if it was once
attacked, there 'Would be no security for any other species of
property. The statements made as to the value of Bishoprics
in Ireland, were also untrue. He could assure the House
that there was not a Bishopric in Munster that netted so much
as 5,0001. a year. The Bishop of Ossory did not for the last
eleven years derive from his See more than 3,5001. a year. It
had been recommended to make the Bishop's lands in Ireland
available to the,expences of the Church ; but if such a thing
were done, it would not only be a robbery upon the property
of the Church, but upon the property of most of the landed
proprietors in Ireland. In Prance the Revolutionists began
with an attack on Church property, and that was soon followed
by the confiscation of lay property, and the destruction of the
right of primogeniture. Therefore, what had been done in
France ought to operate as a warning to the Church Reformers
of this country. Statements had gone forth representing some
single Clergymen as possessing, five or six livings, but the fact
was, that the incomes of such' livings taken together did not
amount to more than•two or three hundred pounds a year. In
Ireland no persons could' be admitted as Clergymen without
a most expensive education ; they were first obliged to pars
a long time at school, and then to pas four and a half years in
the University of Dublin, a 'seminary of extensive learning,
which had produced menof.the first character in science and
literature, such as Archbishop Usher, Dr. Berkeley the great
Metaphysician, Parnel the poet; and Goldsmith, Swift, Burke,
and,Grattan. After a variety of other statements, his Lordship
entered Ant() a general justification of all the measures lately
OttpßOil by. the tiovernment With regard to Ireland, especially
the. Insurrection Act, and he was confident that in a few years
those Measures would do more good than the mischief that had
taken place in Ireland for centuries past. He again dwelt on
the necessity of preserving the union and integrity of the Irish
Charter, the least alteration in which would priduce revolution

and ruin.
Lord MN() observed, that up to the present time he bad
considered the Ecclesiastical Establishment of Ireland more of
a trade than a Church: this was the opinion of Mr. Burke,
who had applied to it these words—Non est magna Becksia,
sed magnum latrocinium. What was now wanted, was to make
the Church of Ireland conformable to the wants of the people.
Ile' should quote another opinion respecting this body. Dr.
Paley had called the Church of Ireland a proud, haughty, do-
mineering aristocracy of Ecclesiastical wealth. The whole was
a grinding system of oppression, particularly in the South of
Ireland, where the tithe on potatoes was a despotism of modern
date. It was a grinding Church, a useless Church, abounding
with excessive wealth, and was the perpetual cause of disturb-
ance and outrage.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that at that late hour, (a
quarter past eleven), he should not enterinto any of the vari-
ous topics adverted to by the Right Rev. Prelate. But he felt
it his duty to state that the Church Establishment of Ireland
was guaranteed by the Act of Union. That had been frequent-
ly and distinctly recognised by a Noble Baron connected with
the Noble Baron who had just spoken, who had been employed
in drawing up the Articles of the Union. The Bill under con-
sideration was generally admitted to be highly beneficial, and
be had never known an instance of a greater universality of
opinion in favour of any measure.
The motion was then put and carried • and the Bill went
through the Committee, and was ordered to be reported to-
morrow (this day).
EXCISE OFFICERS.
Lord HOLLAND moved that the word " previously" should
be omitted in the preamble and enacting clause of the Excise
Officers' Indemnity Bill.
After some observations from the Earl of LIVERPOOL,
the motion, as we understood, was negatived, and the Bill
passed.
. Their Lordships adjourned at TWELVE O'CLOCK.