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St. David's) would answer, that those who had fully con-
sidered the question, and who well knew the nature of
tl.l branch of industry, declared that this was a
~s exagg: ration, and that the estimate of the evils
Prehended had no foundation whatever in fact. Not
only the most intelligent of the working population, but
nanny of the greatest manufacturers of the country had
raet these objections, and shown that they were falla•
eious and unsound. Though it had been said that this
would be a perilous experiment, he contended that the
peril was all on the side of the system the Bill sought to
amend, and he therefore called on their Lordships to act
fin the humane peinciple of the greatest happiness to
the greatest number, and support the second reading of
the Bill.—(Cheers.)
beware
ASILBURTON called on their Lordships to
},eware lest by injudicious interference they took away
the bread of a great body of the working population
engaged in factory labour. His objection to the present
"Leasure was, that they were proceeding with most im-
perfect knowledge of its probable operation. He did not
o!risider the working population referred to by the
Right Reverend Prelate proper authorities to decide the
question, and he, for one, would have been glad if steps
had been taken to inquire more fully into the feelings
and sentiments of the master manufacturers. At the
present time the manufacturing producer of this country
_ had to submit to the keenest competition in all the
markets of the world, and they ought therefore to pause
ere the
eo,t Y aggravated that state of things. Had the Bill
Ptuned a clause for eleven hours, he would have sup-
-I,orted it, but as it did not contain such a clause, he must
ote for the amendment of the Noble and Learned Lord.
theTrhee appeared
.For the second reading of the Bill,
Contents
Against the Bill
Their Majority for the second reading —42
Twelve o ' Lordships then adjourned at a Quarter past
clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS. May 17.
The () clock. SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four

REPORTS.
B The reports on the following Bills were brought up:—
ridge House Estates Debt.
DCommercial Gas-light and Coke Company.
üblin and Belfast Junction and Navan Branch Railway.
""'in and Drogheda Railway (Purchase of Navan
„ularanch, &c.)
14..ndalk and Enniskillen Railway.
erifeerol
tar ine Waterworks.
-e'ern Counties Railway (Mahlon, Witham, and
Eastern Counties Railway Extension (Cambridge to
Bedford, &.)
.ta!t Liucolnshire Railway (Deflation at Boston, and
tsranch to Great Grimsby and Sheffield Junction Rail-
, ,n,y at Grimsby).
.4111 burgh and Glasgow Monkland and Kirkintilloch,
Bsaatieloeohnay
and Slamannan, Railways Amalgamation,
reifield 0 Lease-
Falmouth
Edmonton Railway Extension.
Gi Waterworks.
GlusgoW, Barrhead, and Neilston Direct Railway.
pry, Dumfries, and Carlisle Railway, and Glasgow,
Glasgow l, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (No. 1).
eot, Kilrcarnock, and Ardrossan Railway (Amend
mas 0 Deviations, and Branches)
ciPagrswthaPsagio'lweY): and Greenock Railway (Branches at
aniersw' Paisley, and Greenock Railway (Amendment
and siranches to the Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock,
the (14,Yr, the Glasgow, Barrhead, and Neilston, and
and -,-11,..‘g°w, Strathaven, and Lesmahagow Railways,
Gifts .0 elaugh Pits)
Glaerw' Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (No 2).
AyVshirPe4i'leY Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway, and
Great Ind. and Bridge of Weir Railway (No. 3).
Great Soultreri:ienaiindsula Railway.
artio to . Western Railway Extension (Port-
Lowe_ g nto lullamore).
ha 4). ft Railway and Harbour (Alteration near Reed-
Manchester and Birmingham and North Staffordshire
i‘Tot'unetion Railway.
Rorrfolt Railway (Yarmouth Extension).
ttailway (Branch from Wymondham to the
Norwich railway
of the Ipswich and Bury St. Ed-
Reedili3 Railway
and the proposed Thetford and
paiare Railway near Diss.)
Ila,!l,eeY, and Renfrew Railway (Sale and Improvement).
p_
y"nt , Ilarrhead, and Hurlet Railway.
I);Lynie a I atents Assignment.
Ross and Tavistoek Road (No. 2).
Rue' mcmnartY, and Part of Nairn District Roads.
sce corn ea„.
s_zon Walden Rates.
Is?
eke and Amman Junction Railway.
at BZakefield Market.
arrington Gas.
antlodadi:ittleriCk Railway.
liaeterffPorrd
Yorxkflrd Free Bridge.
The
ilproveraent, Lendal Bridge and Approaches.
sideeed and on the following Bills were further con-
Belfast IPed,..agreed to:_
-•.
uuhn Cons "" ttarbour.
Duffryn Litimers Gas. *
Railw and Perth Cawl and Lynvi Valley
Glasgowa,d Irs`'thal.garnation.
gow, ;',lll3efries, and Carlisle Railway, and Giu-
lio/id Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (No. 4).
°n Seara
I.l4Lee,
ds_Chemical Manure
Ryd 8 (Dalkeith Glebe) Estate.
shmte
improvement.
-"eid Markets (Amendments to be proposed).
THIRD READINGS.
The following Bills were read a third time and
eased :
Ziirlienhead Dock Company and Herculaneum Dock
Company Amalgamation.
British Commercial Insurance Company (No. 2).
Caledonian Railway (Glasgow, Garnkirk, and Coat-
bridge Railway, Branch to Glasgow Station).
Cork, uork and Bandon Railway.
Blackrock, and Passage Railway.
Dunfermline and Cupar Court Houses.
''astern Union and Ipswich and Bury St. Edmund's
Railways Amalgamation.
Southampton and Dorchester Railway (Weymouth
Branch).
REPORTS OF RAILWAY COMMITTEES. _
t Mr. FITZROY moved that it is expedient to suspend
°r the remainder of this session the standing order
r,,iell precludes Committees on Railway Groups from
tasoing their reports to the House until the reports on
1,,,t several lines comprised in the Group have been laid
them by the Railway Commissioners.
ssir. STRU FT said that it was not possible that the
reports of the Railway Commissioners could be more ably
blade out; no expense 'nor trouble was spared, and their
zeothority was very great, and he therefore could
inst think that they were valueless. They had
NseLeillt,e,d a great many evils from occurring, and,
In4e-a,"Y, they had prevented railway companies from
Ifasing their capital to an unlimited amount.
ales:* SHA.W said that he was not about to deny that
the 'ePorts were valuable ;it was to the working of
sYsteea that he objected. The Committee were
sOLed to hear everhin, and then read the Commis-
Watt
for report, fur which they were often obliged to
expense a long time, and thus occasion an enormous
to the parties.
tr a few words from Mr. CRIPPS, which did not
reach the -
gallery
Sir E
tha •• ELLICE said that no person lamented more
6
ea did the difficulty which had been exrienced in
phtrYing out the resolutions which he bade entured to
°Pose, and he must again say, in his own defence,
air t this matter of difficulty should not have been
Fofawed to remain in the hands of an individual Member
that Rouse. What had fallen from his Right Hon.
rritiend the Chief Commissioner of the Railway Board
411" Y bore out his statement, in which he recommended
e House to come to this decision. He would not repeat
What his Right Hon. Friend had said, but there were
tbmany of the Bills which had been prepared during
.'3 present session so many conflicting propositions
With respect to the powers for raising capital and for
raising loans, and for amalgamating and uniting compa-
tlies—many of which had be en so preposterous—that
~e parties themselves upon the first attempts at examination before the Board,
Ela
had had been ashamed of their own
propositions, and withdrawn them. Many of them
had, quite contrary to all principle, and in defiance of
the standing ordersftte iof the House, gone before different
Committees o
House to ask for powers which
they knew could not be granted. He certainly thought
this was not a fit state of things to continue, and
something, in his opinion, ought to be done to effect
an amendment. The whole question of railways
was one which Parliament ought to take up, in
order to provide a remedy for the evils which were
complained of in the debate of last Friday. He
should recommend his Hon. Friend to put up with
the inconvenience, in order to have the examinations
which had been taken in that Committee, which the
Government had deemed was necessary for the public
safety.
Mr. HUDSON said that the Committee might have
waited very long before they would have got the.Rt
stv;aY Commissioners' reports, and had the original ip en
"°ll been carried out, not one of the Committees
11i3w sitting would have got on with their binteaskse
l: said, therefore, that this investigation should
iselee,i.a. use by clause; but.
.there would,, according to his
be esion, be a very injurious delay, which would
prn accompanied by an enormous expense. The
op
of his Hon. Friend was, he thought, ex-
hreeilleelY simple, and he hoped that the Noble Lord at thet
fo-ag of the Cs' overnment would make an explicit statnen ,
for
the want of it had been attended with very consi er-
n4l,-7 eonvenience. He sincerely trusted that the pro-
p which his Hon. Friend had suggested, whatever
"'itnLeght take place, would, by the consent of the Govern-
-4,1t, be put before the House.
he
ha . CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
thatult was a universally agreed proposition by
deei in'ause, that no Committee should come to a
atalls`ll before they received the report of the
orj..vay Commissioners. This was the unanimous
ti7_loion of the House. Nothing had been found to affect.
ti. e character of the report of the Railway Counits(-)
;:hers, and yet the object of the Hon. Member was
.ng about a decision for the preamble before the Com-
te.luittees received that report. There had been nothing
ti;PnPeach the report of the Railway Commissioner;
.he
_,not see any reason for the alteration. He had in-
:_lliuced to give notice, in compliance e ith the reasons
7 .h had been adduced that he should move for the
appointment of a Select Committee, and ho did accord-
tng!er give that notice now.
134e,r‘fter a few words from Mr. HODGSON and Mr. W.
_TrEll. who supported the motion,
_0431 . BAILEY said the resolution was not only an in-
cartv.enienee to the Members of that House, but to all
tarries who came before the Committees, and it ought,
therefore to be rescinded.
'
F' SBRING trusteA that the House would not