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London, England, 1841-03-26 00:00:00

.re , nnmittee re-assembleid yesterday at eleven o'clock,
and proceeded with the evidence of George Taylor, who was
cross-eatsveCed by
Mr. AUSTlN—Witness is a freeman of St. Alban's ;
changed sides in politics, when Mr. Ward voted against the
freemen. Knows the Rough Club ;is not a member. It is
tviootne.rs
sWomasethninotg.emnpleocee•eirvledata
saollye;ressiagsn
only a place for chaff. Did not fill any office at the last elec-
pfoaridhifsoerxpberinnsgesi"anind
sometimes 10s. ; they were Mr. Cabbell's voters. Mr. Lane-
ley. paid him ; he gave aitness the money directly * he was
going off after anybody.
By one of the COMMITTEE—Mr. Langley is a bookseller.
By Mr. AUSTIN—Went to the Verulam Arms, when Mr.
Cabbell was there, and shook hands with him. Wert there of
an evening afterwards.
Re-examined by Mr. HILLYARD—The money was paid on
account of exeenses. Witness promissed Mr. Cabbed before
he was engaged at all.
Mr. HILLYARD—Did Dr. Webster at any time between
the vacancy and the election make an application to you ?—He
came on the 'Thursday morning with Mr. Edwards. I was at
home. Edwards made an application in the presence of
Dr. Webster.
Mr. HILLYARD —What was the application Mr. Edwards
mate to you ?
Mr. AUSTIN objected to the question being put, until the
agency of Webster or Edwards should he proved.
Mr. HILL-veep submitted that he had a right to put the
question, as part of the proof of the agency of Dr. Webster.
Any act might be given in proof of such agency, and any
declaeation made at the time might be given in explanation
of the act.
Mr. AUSTIN made no objection to proving the act, but the
declaration could not he received in evidence until the agency
of Webster or Edwards should be proved.
' The CHAIRMAN directed the room to be cleared, and on
our readmission announced that the Committee had decided
that the question should not be put.
John Poen Richardson was then called in and examined by
Mr. TALBOT—IS a bookseller at St. Alban's. Voted fd
Mr. Cabbell. Lord Listowell, Mr. Webster, and several others
called on him the Friday before the election. They came to
the shop, Rod Mr. Webster said " Mr. Richardson, we haste
called with the Earl of Listowell to solicit your vote and inte-
rest." Lord Listowell said nothing. I said I had promised my
vote ersady, and Lord Listowell bowed and went out. Knows
the George, kept by Mr. Foster. Saw a paper with the
Speaker's signature affixed to it.
Mr. AUSTIN, to show how dangerous this examination of
the witness it as, would observe, that the witness had been
made to say he saw .the Speaker's signature to the warrane.
Now, if it were a warrant, it was not signed by the Speaker..
Mr. TALBOT--Have you seen any processions by torch-light
in which that wars ant has been carried ?
Mr. AUSTIN objected the warrant should be put in evidence,
if anything were ieteeded to be made of it.
arr. Teenor wished to stow how the authority of the House
of Commons had been treated at St. Alban's.
The Cues:relax said, that unless the object waists, shove,
that there proceedings affected the case, by preventing them
to bring up evidence.
Mr. Teenor thought he should be able to show that the
case was affected by it.
Witness saw a torchlight procession, with several papers
stuck on board, and carried before a band. Did nut see Mr.
H. Edie-ards on that occasion.
Cross-examined by Mr. AUSTIN—When Mr. Webster and
Lord Listowell called they were arm-in-arm. Mr. Webster
canvassed witness. Witness had been canvassed before by Mr.
Grimstone. The room was full then. Witness's opinions are
well known in St. Alban's, and witness took this call of Lord
Listowell as a mere act, of civility. Is sure it was Mr. Webster
who canvassed witness. Was canvassed by Mr. Cabbell. Mr.
Blagg was with him. There were others—the shop was full, in
fact. They all stood very near together. Mr. Blagg said;
" Here's your old find again," and asked witness for his
vote. The applications To the two cases were very much alike.
Re-examined—reere was no lawyer with Lord Listowell's
party. Witnessliad no conversation with any one but Lord Lisa
towell and Mr. Webster.
Samuel Cheny examined by Mr. HILLWARD—Witness is a
linendraper at Wit. Alban's, and a voter was canvassed on Fe-
bruary 5 for Lord Listowell by Mr. Webster. Lord' Listowell
was present. '
Cross-examined by Mr. AUSTlN.—Witness is a Tory, and
voted for Mr. Cabbrll. Had promised before, and told Lord
Listowell ,d. Had b. en canvassed for Mr. Cabbell by Mr.
Storey, Mr. Gate, and Mr. Blagg. Mr. Blagg introduced Mr..
Cabbell to witness, anzl he promised Mr. Cabbell. It was the
.Ountereart of what took place with Lord Listowell.
Thomas Wood examined by Mr. TALBOT.--Is a harness-
maker at St. Alban's. Is a Blue—that is a Tory. Was can-
vassed for Lord Listowell ( by Mr. Webster, in company with
Lord Lisee ell). Witness said lie was engaged, and they went
away.
Cro s-examined by Mr. COCKBURN—There were a great
many will them. Witness is not always a Blue—sometimes=
is on' the other side. Shifts the colour occasionally. Was
canvassed by Mr. Cabbell. Mr. Story was- with him. •
Others were there, but lie cannot recollect who. Does not-
know if Mr. Blagg was there. They asked him for his vote-
in the same way as the other party.
Joseph Richards, examined by Mr.' HILLYA RD—IS a voter.
at St. Alban's; was canvassed for Lord Listowell and Mr. We-
bster, in the presence of Lord Listowell.
dross-examined by Sir. LEAHY—Was canvassed for Mr.
Cabbell, who was also accompanied by many persons. Mr.
Blugg was on the opposite side of the street at the time.
Robert Howie, examined by Mr. 11'GDY-A an—ls a gardener
at St. Alban's ; remember.: the Thursday evening before the
election was proclaimed; was before Mr. Webster's house ;
Webster came to the window, and addressed the people ; he
said he had brought them a good man ; he said he had brought
ten candidates' Lefore, and had fought the battle many times,
and never lost it but once, and he would fight it again and
. again • After that Lord Listowell came forward and addressed
the people; had frequently seen Lord Listowell and Webster
canvassing since; they were walking arm in arm, and going •
into the houses of different voters.
Crosseexamined by Mr. LEAHY—Does not know that
there was anything very extraordinary in Webster saying he
had bought them a good rem. It may be a common thing at
elections for persons who are not agents to recommend candi-
dates to the people. All sorts of people speak at elections.
Witness is in Story's employment. Story is the petitioner in
this case.
Re-examined.—Witness has seen Lord Listowell and Web-
ster canvassing at night. Does not know he ever saw Lord
Listowell without Webster.
James Armsby Doran—ls a voter in the Blue interest.
Was canvassed on the part of Lord Listdwell by Mr. Webster.
He had a book in his hand like a canvassing book ; but does
not know its contents. Was on the hustings on the poking-
day about two o'clock. Mr. Webster told me what had taken
place at the hustings relating to Adams.
Mr. TALBOT—What did he say?
Mr. LEIIAY objected to the question on the same grounds
that Mr. Austin had objection to a similar question in the early
part of the morning.
Mr. TALBOT submitted that he was now in a position to
entitle him to ask tire question.
Mr. LEHAY contended that the Committee must decide that
Webster was Lord Listowell's agent before the question could
be put.
The Committee decided that the question might be put.
Witness—Dr. Webster said they threatened to send me to
Newgate. Witness said, what for? Webster said " Adams says
I gave him 101. to vote for Lord Listowell. Witness said,
jokingly, "Many better men had gone there, and he hoped he
" A
would have pleasant company. —( laugh. )
Cross-examined by Mr. LEHAY—Can't say if that was raid by
Mr. Webster seriously. Witness said what he said as a joke.
He could till whether Mr. Webster meant it seriously. He
was certainly agitated. If a similar imputation had been made
against witness, however falsely, he would have been agitated
also. He should not think it a joke to be sent to Newgate on
any account. It is very true that witness at the time might
have thought it possitle that the circumstance could not be
true, and therefore he treated it as a joke. When witness was
canvassed, Mr. Webster was not arm in arm with Lord Lis-
towell. Lord Listowell was among the party of canvassers. It
was much as other canvassing parties. Witness was net at the
hustings when the affair of Adams took place.
By the lion. Mi. Er, • more—Witness did not see Mr. Web-
ster write anything in the book when he canvassed him.
By the CHAIRMA re—Witness has always been a Blue, and.
that was known to 31r. Webster.
Robert .Taylor examined by Mr. HILLYARD_Had the su-
perintendence of the bar of the Red Lion on the Saturday
before the election. Mr. Webster came there—Goodspeed,
a voter, was with him. Webster told witness to let the people
have something to drink. Witness supplied the people with
drink—did not receive money for it.
Mr. HILLYARD—Did you put down to any account the
amount of drink so supplied?—Yes.
Mr. HILLY RD—Did ou do so in consequence of any direc-
tions you received from Mr. Webster ?
Mr. LEilay objected to the question. The agency of Web-
ster must be proved before Lord Listowell could be affected
by any acts done by him.
The Committee decided the question might be put and
the witness answered in the affirmative.
Mr. HILLYARD—To whose account did you put it down?
Mr. LEISAY objected to that question. It was laid down in
the Wells caseithat agency must be proved before the decla.
rations of the agent couldbe admitted in evidence. But even
legal purpose,
supposing the agency proved for a it tn
"'
strous to assume that lie had the authority of his principal
for an illegal purpose; for doing that .
which itself would
be sufficient to vitiate the election;
Mr. HUSSAR]) contended, that this not being a case of
criminal prosecution, the evidence was admissible, and quoted
won.
various authorities in support of his opinion.
Mr. LEHAY replied. And
to be cleared in order
ordered the room
The CHAIRMAN
that the Committee might deliberate.
On the re-admission of strangers,
The Cuelnereer
announcedthat. the Committee had de-
:
cidi &that the question might be p
recalled, said he had put the amount down
The witness beingels Committee.
to the account of Lord
ot put Lord Listowell's name
d ,
CrosE•3xamined—
rtrd, 4, To the Committee." own-
mc-ely rut down the eth.e.
called.
Robert Adams was.
his intention i
said it waston to re-,4
Mr. Ausrix s
an
bribers on the part Si any attempt
act of r. Webster ; arid it
to prove
arranged to proceed at once with the argument on
e the witnesswas ordered to withdraw, and
that points I Counsel proceeded to argue
the Learner
that a per •
might be an agent for a lawful purpose without bein
son an
an a' 1.
stab .sh the agency of Mr. Webster. been proved
to e • , It had not
been proved that he had either ordered the erection of
polling booths, ur paid for them on Lord Listowell's account ;
or that he had paid the expenses of the Committee. It had
not been proved that he had called
at Mr. Coppock s • true he
had gone to the Treasury and hadcanvassed, but nothing had
been proved to es' ablish Mr. Webster's The Learned
agency.
Counsel then quoted several there authorities to show that was
no proof of Mr. Web te ' s r s agency.
Mr. HILLY:tun contended that the facts in evidence were
quits sufficient toestablish
Mr. Webster's ae •
rreooy He had
been in constant communication with Lord Listowell. He
had ordered horses at Barnet for Lord Listowell, and therefore,
it was presumed, by his Lordship's orders—had identified him-
self with Lord Listowell in the most public manner, and
had carried a canvassin g
book, f
a candidate. a book only entrusted to a
most confidential agent o
There could be no
w
doubt but that he was Lord Listoe g ;
11, agent and h
a that Mrhe
in-
tended to follow up this evidence by Proving and that proof were
* Webster
had offered Adams money for hise
Acts inteicting penalties ved
not allowed to be given,
the A
rased from the statute-book. he
for
The
Learned had better a+, once be e
Learned Gentleman then quoted authorities
severalin support
of his argument.'
Mr. AUSTIN then rose to reply, when he was interrupted
by the Chairman, who desired _ him to abstain for a few mi-
nutes. The Committee deliberated for a few minutes when
the Chairman directed the Learned Counsel to proceed with
his argument.
ete. AUSTIN then proceeded to reply to the several arguments
of Mr. liillyard Before he bad finished it was announced that
the Seeaker was at prayers, but the Chairman and the Committee
decided that they would-sit until Mr. Austin should have con-
eluded
his argument. The Learned Counsel then proceeded
to controvert tie various authorities quoted by Mr. Hillyard,
and coneltded by submitting that there wrs no proof what-
ever of the agency of Mr. Webster.
The Committee at the conclusion of Mr. Austin's amt.
adjourned till

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