The Sun.
London, England, 1841-07-17 00:00:00

ner could-there be any two t)plftions upon the POint. The i
designs were of the most preposterous and the wildest '
of any that aver man conceived. But Sir Robert Grant
Wisely - said 'they were not bound to prove the feasi-
bility of the plans ; they had nothing to do with
the wildness of their nature ; it was enough for them
that such designs had been cherished.—(Heen /With)
Application had been made to Den Manott PA' all expla-
nation, or a refutation, of so much or the charges as was
connected with his name. But the Bombay Govern-
ment never charged him as being implicated in the
conspiracy ; all they knew was that a great
deal of money was spent .in Goa by the Ritia
to whom it was given, or for what they Kid
lot know. It was wholly unnecessary for hint to say one
word in vindication of the character or conduct of Sir J.
Carnac; that had been ably, eloquently, and satisfactorily
done by the lion. Deputy-Chairman.-4Hear, hear.)
Before he went out he was favourable to the Raja, and
he went out with power to settle, and save the Rt‘ja if
possible ; but when he arrived at his Govern,-
he did towards the Raja in
went he found that the evidence WAS so
strong that it was impossible to doubt as to
the guilt of the Raja. It was impossible for any
man to have used more mild or persuasive language than
proceed-
ings which the Goveraiment felt themselves obliged to
adopt. The Raja, howeVer, refused to agree to the first
to the first article, justification of the
article of the treaty because he said he was an honest
man and not guilty. He said I will not subscribe
of 1819 was submitted for signature, I refused to
give it three different +. my
that
He (Mr. Warden) said
because when the original treaty
the Raja ought r' 'lnes'
spoken a mo- n Grant, in
his lette- '' distinct falsehood, for Captain _
• of the 27th of September, said that the treaty
;was
seven in to the Raja on the 22d—that he had several
ot to be believed, for in. that he had
-nterviews, during which he fully explained its contents—
that the Raja was most anxious for its completion, and that
it was finally signed and sealed on the evening of Sept.
23. How, then, could the Raja justify his' refusal
to sign the new treaty up )n so false a ground ?
He knew two instances in which; on the death of the
reigning Raja the property was conferred upon his suc-
cessor, and in the present case the property being that
of the State, was vested in the reigning .Raja instead of
the ex-Raja. He would give them the instance that occurred
after the reduction of Ansa° u ra,when three lacs of rupees fell
into the hands of the captors,
they consisted chiefly of
family jewels and plate, and the Commissioners did not
think it judicious to deprive the succeeding Prince of
property which had belonged to the State. In the pre-
sent case, amongst other property of the ex-Raja of Sat-
tarn, there was in money value of buildings, four lacs,
and 700,000 rupees. It appeared that an application
was made by the ex-Raja to Lord Elphinstone, and he
recommended the Supreme ,Government to advance the
Raja two lacs of rupees, for the purpose of rebuilding
his palace. Now it appeared. to him that that circum-
stance enhanced the ingratitude of the Raja's conduct.
Suppose these two lacs were included in the estimate of
4 lacs 700,000 rupees for buildings, did they mean to say
that he was entitled to that sum, which had been ad-
vanced him by the British Government ?—(Hear, hear.)
If any proposition such as had been put forward by his
Hon. Friend, Mr. Tucker, was entertained, it would be
their duty in the first instance to ascertain what actually
belonged to the Raja, and what had been advanced by
the Government. The Hon. Director then referred to
some observations of General Briggs, relative to the pub-
lication of a despatch of his which he stated was private
and secret ; but he (Mr. Warden) had looked over that
despatch, and he did not think there was anything secret
in it. It was nothing more than an ordinary political
despatch. Ile would remind the Court also of an expres-
sion of the Raja, when General Briggs was endeavouring
to restrain his rapacity2—that he had lost all confidence
in the English, and the only friend he had among them
was Mr. Elphinstone. He had nothing further to add.
After a full review of all the proceedings in the case of
the Raja, his solemn and conscientious conviction was
that the Baja was guilty, and that he had scarcely paid
the penalty of his offence by the punishment that had
been inflicted on him. _ _

Major-General ROBERTSON, a Director, said there
appeared to be considerable difference of opinion as to
the terms and extent of the treaty which had been con-
cluded with the Raja of Sattara. Now the schedule
which was annexed to the copy of the treaty set out the
different districts assigned to him, and at the end of it
was added, "together with the possessions of the Raja
of Akulkole, the Punt Suchew of the Prithee Nidhee,
and the jagheer of the Dufflays, in the Pagunna of
Ihut." There was an amended schedule which was
added, which set out some additional jagheers, and then
it went to say,
"And the Raja having been told that his frontier
should extend from the Kistna and Wurna on the south,
to the Neera and Beema on the north, and from the
western ghauts or Shyadree Hills on the west, to the
city of Punderpoor on the east,. exclusive of jagheers,
there will be some additional territory made over to
him from the provinee df Bcejapore, to be hereafter spe-
cified, but of which the revenue shall not be less than
one lac of rupees."
Now there were some detached villages about which
some doubt existed as to whethei, they belonged to the
Raja, and whether lit ekercised jurisdiction over them.
Now, in his opinion, the Raja had sovereignty over these
villages, for General Briggs did so before they were
ceded to the Rajah, and so did G eneral Lodwick. When
he (General Robertson) was coming away, in 1832, he
said that there was a spirit getting up of encroachment
upon the territory of the Raja t and he wrote a despatch,
dated December 31, 1831, on the subject. Lord Clare,
however,did not coincide with him in his views. Shortly
afterwards a Case arose of a claim against some of the
Nes subjects in one of these villages north of the Neera
river, and they not answering it, an application was
made on the 3d August, 1832, by General Lodwick,
requesting his Highness to point out the property of his
subjects, that it might be taken possession of. A reference
was made to the Government on the subject, and the re-
sult was, the Government decided that all the villages north
of the Neera river were not under his sovereignty at all.
Sir J. LITSHINGTON begged to refer the Hon. Direc-
tor to the seventh article of the Treaty, with respect to
the limits of his Highness's possessions, great stress had
been laid upon the term "exclusion of jagheers," and it
was contended that that gave him unbounded authority
over them, but he (Sir J. Lushington) contended that
the meaning of the phrase was the very reverse, and that
it gave him no authority whatever over them.—(Hear,
hear) In proof of that he would refer to Mr. Elphin-
stone a instructions to Captain Grant, dated Bth April,
1818, in which he
—ll
said—
" The limits which I intend
hi g 1.
intend to prtiVit, tc) AO_
the Most 14010 tilk) qtifernor-acneral for the
tWitbrY, are the river Neera on the north, the
titnna and Wurna on the south, the Peishwes frontier
on the east, and the frhants 141. We§h 1f e o'llll4
themselves% anti tire, foriS ivfiir. Bldiiiiiiilild tlielljf iVII
probably be anitekcd to tip
eastern fronti'e'rtktitab,ye imiireVed and dfilned;
arraottouietitg with the Government Of his itigiiiigs§
Ninin. I have guarded agttihst di§lirpOilitlll'elll 611 this
last head, by acquainting the Raja that his country would
only extend to Plinderpoor., hire like*ise appriaed
the Itt\)a that 4.ll,lw.ghtet lalicts Wietlitdd ftudi Hid
proseca gyanC)
N ow, then, it was clear that all the jighttr rands ikti.@
excluded. He did not pretend to 4ilic en *tilt% Of hi§
own upon the tuattef), hitt thbrb wag a great deal of doubt
eximting OA to the meaning of the passage,----(Heal
Mt liEWts said the lion, Gentleman had left n jdst
at the veq point which *Mild give Aft explanation, It
, os3 as foiMs

The extent to which this last • declifttliOn id
acted on will, howevetl dqiehtl tiii eifetinistancesi_.
If the Raja's conduct Off Oi4ll Beliet phOtild
his E*oo4ttiqt tibolfutiiAteilertti Oestrous of eir-
00iSiefiblit authority, the whole jagheer ..of 'the
Pfltriee Nidhee, resumed by Bajee Row) may be re,
stored to him to be held of tkW TAritlqi Ontoftittlerit;
ink titbei tle Itift tl3 jo.,,Khmt§). temtmed by the.
1.44114 h 00V'erninent without the Ilaja4s being entitled to-
claim any part of them ; this would Itititt do
more than six or seven IttdB tit Yetetitte: If, as is more
probable, it should be the wish of the \lost Noble the
tti increase the Baia's consequence,
tie tiin hulti till li the illOst eiti@iided
ttt limits above nnticcd that already helthigg tilleet)y
to the Government; or may hereafter lit: reNiiiitd) itfid the
Jagheerdars wh tire Allo*eci to fetntnti May nold their
lititids ti Min; with the ekeeptidti of the Pittmirdhuns,
ivivitu it thlitilt a tieiiniefiietif 10 Ettniek With the
llt4N us th 4 eteaief part of their laticlS lie on the south-
ern bank of the Kishnttj and whose inclinations we are,
moreover, bound to &insult beere we video them under
any goveftirhlillt hilt
Clenerttl restitned--:IIe contended titai
it tltt ikth the trOilt ireit,./Ittly they had
Vdti; 'and fidt with- the letfers dr nistruetidrl. Might
Rift tefit reference to. it: He would now read
tti t 6 'dart fOni the letter of the ex-Raja's
Vakeels, to the Court of Direetofill Jan: 7, 1840,
in order to show the nature Of the conspiracy ChM' had
it 1110.1111 d 4; d hiS letter to yotti Ho-
naUfable Court; to the et thit galB
ledt nione to3hiS Highness's Jagheerdars, hate
hoiomifc'Addri oiler Wfree themselves from the chock
Which his iiiittin'lliO(YSea in eventing their
iliehation of the lands anu ie.'erl.3._H of tI/4.6stattoS of
their debtors--to which his Highness is tile 8-IWritntl.
siieetiOgoitti lend themselves to the object of accom-
oishitiklrr~ tiotte#?.# 'pill, It is, we feel convinced,
Certain? that a strict hsyw the question of
t)id jurisdiction of hie llig,hness aTtitin Jagheer-
nags ta« e
e
Ihllitioe.tedsts
al Imp.oorn:oimi
prominent
ebenl eat
1.9 po Rk,)liikieft (end wgs so perseveringly
d
pee rnsetehitetisoanghagoaoinefst
thehis
tlttit would show that itcriod7riliZoi:e:cited with Ballajee
position in all the it
rius
ddfciesigg 0::
tlifulegualinstieelshleawcalen—dion'o'h:hom he had lent a large sum of
money—first desired to withdraw that property from
his Highness's jurisdiction ; and subsequently perceiv-
ing that his Highness was not likely to submit to such an
invasion of his rights, then entered on the course which
has since been pursued. Accordingly, this person was
at Sattara during the inquiry into the charges which were
investigated by a Commission, consisting of the late and
present. Resident, and the present Secretary to your Go-
vernment in the Political Department ; and took an ac-
tive part in the proceedings of . the Commission. He
has ever since, it may be added, remained at Sattara ;
and now he is the chief adviser, if not the Minister, of
hiS Highness's brother.'"—(Hear, hear.)
With regard to the succession to these jagheers, he would
refer the Court to his letter to Mr. Elphinstone, dated-.
13th August, 1827, when the reeul was ill, and his ill
ness had assumed an alarming appearance. He then put
certain questions on the part of the Raja, among which
were--
"I'hat his Highness should be informed of ,the,inten-
tiOns the British- Government as •to the 'prepei:VOT
CUSe of adoption.
whether ih the opinOn
the. STnitetthtehwe wisttolndibtseliamppirtied