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)eou)ted than that no greater efforts could be made
than were made in the grstrict which the Hon. Gentle-
man represented te relieve the sufferings of the poor
and to supply them with a good education. The amend-
ment proposed by the Hon. Member for Finsbury woul
he quite impracticable, for in the parish of Shcreditel
60,000 rate-payers, and in the parish of St. George's-
in-the- East 40,000 rate-payers would have to he consulter
before the Act could be carried into execution. It would be
impossible to carry on the affairs of the poor through such
a medium as the vestries. Highly as he respected the in-
dividuals who composed those vestries he trusted they
would never be called upon as a vestry to carry the Ac.
into operation. The guardians under the local Acts
would have the same powers as under the present Bill. lit
had heard no voice raised against the proposition where it
was properly understood, and he therefore trusted the clause
would pass without amendment.—( Hear.)
Mr. WA KLEY said, that relying; upon the legal
opinion of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman (Dr. Lush-
irgton) that guardians under local Arts would have the
same power under the Poor-law Amendment Act, he
should advise his Hon. Friend to withdraw his motion.
The Honourable Member for Lambeth had referred,
as he was fond of doing, to that old system. The
statement read by his Honourable Friend (Mr. Hawes)
was published by him ( Mr. Wakley). He in-
spected the Bethnal-green workhouse in 1830, and found
the state of things as they had been represented to the
House.—( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Geatleman imagined
that he ( Mr. Wakley) had takea no interest in the affairs
f the poor; but in 1827 he had been a churchwarden, but
had been relieved from his duties by the Noble Lord
the Secretary far the Colonies, riot for their profuse ex-
penditure, bet because the Noble Lord had been scl;cite I
by certain parti?s to create a select vestry, where th,
churchwardens had established open ones, In this work.
house of Bethnal-green he found 12,000 inhabitacts, with
only accommodation for 300, and in one room 22 women
and children in the lest stage of typhus fever, in nine beds.
Their distress was so great that Lord Grey sent a coral-
derable sum far their relief. The Hon. Geatlemen (Mr.
Grote) bad statelahat the unpopularity of this law had
decreased. Now he should much like to know what were
the facts with regard to the administration of the law in
the City. Many lion. Gentlemen came to the House and
said the law was not unpopular, but then every now and
then it escaped in private conversation from the lips of the
chairman of a board of guardians that they found no inroa-
veaience, for the Commissioners did not interfere with
them, and that they did what they liked.—( Hear, hear.)
Was this carrying the law out ?—( Hear.) No, the people
were entrapped into their approbation of the measure. It
was not fair that the rules of the Commissioners should be
relaxed in one place,and straightened in another. He asked,
and he should be glad to receive so answer to the ques-
tien, was out-door relief withheld from the able-bodied in
the City of London ? There would be no complaints if
the Isw admitted cf these relaxations in practice. If the
Noble Lord and lion. Gentlemen should pretend that they
acre not then ab'e to answer the question, be would take
care to procure and supply them with the most authent'c
inf,,rmation on the subject.
Mr. GROTE had no objection to answer the question
of the Hon. Gentleman. It was true th t a prohibitory
order had been issued forbidding out-door relief to able-
bodied paupers.—( Hear, hear.) But he would atk was he
not justified its stating the case of the city of London
against what the Hon. Gentleman had said ? The Hon.
Gentleman expected the House to believe that the Poor-
law became thoroughly obnoxious since it had come into
operation. He (Mr. Grote) would tell him that such was
not the case. It was unpopular when it was first en-
acted, but was not so now.
ALer a few words from Mr. ATTWOOD and Mr. EST-
COURT;
Mr. HUME soil he understood the objection was not
to the supply of money, but to the mode of electing the
Poor-law guardians_a question which was not before the
House.

Mr. T. DUNCO MBE said that the case to which he
referred was that of a uliion in which there we:o two
boards cf guardians—one electel under the local Act, the
other under the provisions of the Poor-law Bill, and be
wanted to know what they would do with those boards of
guardians, which were perpetually squabbling, and were
as %side asunder as the poles. Rates might be imposed
for the erection of workhouses, repa'rs, &c., without the
consent of the rate-payers. He world, therefore, even if
ho stood alone, take the sense of the House upon the
question.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the Houso
divided. wen there appeared—
For the clause
Fur the amendment

Majority against the amendment 194
The clause was then ordered to stand part of the Bill.
On clause 23 being put, which proposed to give the
Commissioners the power to regulate the manner inlwhich
pauper children should be apprenticed,
Mr. B. WOOD proposed, as an amendment, that the
words, " with the consent of the guardians," should be
added.
Colonel SIBTHORP thought that the wishes of pa-
rents should also be consulted. It would be unnatural net
to do so.

Lord J. RUSSELL said that the object of the clause
was to remedy the abuses of the present eystern. Ap-
prentices were now bound to trades without choice or
wisdom. Trades were thus overstocked, and the parties
could not afterwards find employment. It was proposed
to leave the subject in the hands of the Commissioners,
with a view to its better regulation.
Lord HOWICK said that in his opinion the clause was
useful and necessary. Under the influence of the guar-
dians, the present system often led to gross abuses, by
the payment in many cases of ugh premiums, and the im-
proper mods of selecting the trades to which children
were to be apprenticed. He could not approve of the
amendment of the Hon. Member for Southwark, which,
in his opinion, would leave the present ev:ls unredressed.
Mr. B. WOOD contended that the only judges as to
the propriety cf apprenticing a child to a particular trade
were the guardians.
Mr. H A WES thought the present method of appren-
ticing children highly objectionable. He thought the
Commissioners, through their Assistant-Commissioners,
were more likely to obtain an accurate knowledge on the
subject than guardians. He was anxious for a permanent
supervision of the state of tho apprentices, enclitic should be
disposed to ask the House to consent to a proviso, render-
ing it incumbent on overseers to report periodically as to
the state of the apprentices.
Sir R. PEEL thought that the power proposed to be
intrusted to the Commissioners, ought to be distinctly
defined. What he objected to in the clause was its
vagueness.
Sir EARDLEY WILMOT thought the clause bad
better be expunged. Ile, himself, had a notice on the
paper proposing a clause which would secure the periodical
supervision recommended by the Hon. Member for
Lambeth.

Lord HO WICK said the board of guardians at present
possessed an almost unlimi:ed power of apprenticing, and
therefore the clause was, in tact, of a restraining nature.
It morels gave the Commissioners power to prevent guar-
dians from apprenticing children to objectionable trades.
Colonel SIBTHORP thought that the parents or
friends of a child ought to have an op:ion as to the trade to
which such child should Le apprenticed.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL :could take time to consider
the objections which had been made to the wording of Cue
dame.

Mr. GROTE said the object of the clause was to put
a check upon the present power of the board of guardians,
and he hoped it would pass without material alteration.
The ineonveriences of the present system of apprenCee-
ship were severely felt in the metropolitan unions, and the
present clause would re:nedy rnany of those inconvenience:.
Mr. DA RBY thought the word cla,s in the clause
would create considerable difficulty, as under it clippies
totally unfit for trade might be appranticed.
Mr. SLANEY thought that some restraining power
ought to be given to the Commissioners to prevent per-
sons keeping apprentices who had received thorn only for
the premiums.
Mr. B. WOOD then withdrew his amoriment.
Colonel SIBTHOR 13 said if the Noble L,rd would
not postpone the clause he should move its expulsion, and
take the sense of the House upon it.
After a few words from Mr. SANFORD,

The Committee divided, when tilt re appeared--
For the Canso
For the amendment 7i
Majority for the clause —69
The clause was then agrcei to.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress and obtained
leave to sit again to. morrow.
The House then went into Committee upon the Excise
Duties Bi I.

On the ruction of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, the South
Australia Bill was read a second time.

On the motion of Mr. E. J. STANLEY, the Metro-
polis Improvement 13111 passed through Committee.
The other Orders of the Day were disposed of, and the
House adjourned at Half-pant Twelve.

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last, the
a pensioner, named King, and his family, suddenly fell
outwards, with a tremendous crash, letting down the
doors and the roof, burying some of the iumate-:, and
throwing the others to a distance. The sound of tie
and the shrieks of the sufferers, soon drew a
number of persons to the spot ; and, by their exertions,
the rubbish was removed, and those who were under it
ex•ricatei. At the time the occurrence took place, K•ng
and his wife, and three children, were in bed, as were
also a female and a male lodger. King, his wife, and
children, itvero all covered by the ruins ; but, by the
stairs projecting over some of them, and a beam over
the others, there were none of them smi4usly hurt,
lodger,t e
yard,
wvh
though they were all more or less brtised. The female
lodgern
‘ albut was tipsy,
was
thenouobofyot so emrwindow, and alighted in
e meansiouslyhurotr.
oTthbeer, gotmale
astride of a beam, and was hoisted into tho yard. He
had nothing on but his shirt, and he immediately set off
running towards Hanovcr-street, where he was stopped
by the polices, who not without apparent reason,
imag;ned he was mad. He, however, got a supply of
tlotties and then returned. The cottage was a back one,
and in falling it took part of a chamb:r of the front house in
wii:ch a female was in be 3, but she was not injured. 'the
bliidinas arc very old and belong to Lord Ducic.—Man-
cht,tPrb-Porer•

Caledonia arrived safe at Halifax, after a
E eveir:e C
pa
ssage of 13 days f
and a half; on the 12th ult.
,
thy had a vary bi.”:cre giie roin N. V., and a tremendous
sea, in 11 Yell they lost their fore ail, gibhuum and one
of the quarter boats. " The ship," says a letter,
~ behaved -n.hnirably, and astonished some of the pa-_
f
setiffer;, who were old ai)-masters in this trade, and
lanever known so heavy a gale to last Ho long a time."

FRONTIER OF ITALY, MARCH 19.—Eight
English ships of the Line received orders at Malta to pre.
cccd' to Gibral'ar, where they will rtceire further orders.
It i 4 probable that these orders are in consequence of the
dispute between England and America.,

COURT OF COMMON COUNCIL.

Yesterd::y a Court was held for the despatch of business.
A Report was brought tip from the Commissioners of
Sewers, stating that the Commissioners accepted the grant
,f 1,600/. fcr the erection of a statue of William IV., in
he wide space between Kirg William-street and Grace.
church-street, according to the very beautiful design ex-
oibited to the members of the Court, prepared by Mr.
Kelsey, the surveyor to the Commissioners, and Mr. Nixon,
t very rising artist.
The work was directed to be proceeded with immediately.
WRETCHED HABITATIONS OF LABOURING} MEN IN TILE CITY.

Alderman KELLY presented a petiti in from the Ward
Inquest of Farringdon Within, which he said waa one of
tonsiderable importance and interest, as regarded the poor
oeople who laboured in tho City of London, and was most
re ii able to the humane feelings of the gentlemen from
whom it issued.
The petition stated that the Inquest Jury in going
-ound tie Ward of Farringdon Within, to cliTense the
money raised for the service of the industrious poor in the
!Ate severe EC ison, found that the claimants prid enormous
-cuts for the most wretched tenements, and that the land.
lords in many eales treated them with great inhumanity if
they happened to be unable t) pay. The petition, which
resembled that which was a few weeks ago presented to
ha Court cf Aldermen by the same petitioners, prayed
hat the Court would take the case of these poor oppressed
persons into their humane consideration and supply a
piece t f ground fir the erection of several smell houses for
their accommodation upon cheap rants.
Mr. STEEL, one of the petitioners, addressed the Court
in a sreetah of considerable length. He deprecate the
conduct of unreasonable landlords, who deserved t) be
punished as severely as tradesmen who gave felEe mea-
sure and bad quality, and argued that the corporation
would do more credit to itself by affording the means of
providing cheap and comfortable habitations for the 1:-
bouring poor than in laying out large sums of money in
magnificent improvcment3.
Mr. LAWRENCE said that f ore ward were to receive
the accommodation thus required all the rest of the
twenty- ix might be expected to apply fur simil tn-
didgeace, and the C rporation would never be able, how•-
e•.er willing, to comply with such an arrangement. If
the ward of Farringdon Within were so remarkably distin-
guished from all the other wards, would it not be likely
to be crowded to the inconvenience of the inhabitares ? He
considered that the thing was quite impracticable, end
therefore moved as an amendment—That the petition be
laid on the table.

Mr. STACEY seconded the amendment. He contended
that the very improvements which had been alluded to by
the petitioners, were infinitely more serviceable to the
poor labourers, than new and cheap tenements could
prove to be.
Mr. ASIIIIRiT approved of sending the petition to a
Commit'ee, avid said that it might be advisable to make
the experiment.
Mr. R. L. JONES opposed the principle altogether, and
'tared that there was not a ward in the City, which had
1-am reason to complain than the ward of Farringdon
Within.

Mr. ANDERTON said that if the prayer was ►ranted, it
would have the effect of driving the poor of Farringdon
Within into Farringdon Without, which had already quite
enough of its own.
Mr. WESTWOOD was convinced that the thing was quite
practicable, and would be highly beneficial.
The amendment was then carried by a very large
majority.

fectly correct and candid. One remark. however, i
must be made upon the observation in the York report
concerning the short sowing of barley. The fact is
certain ; the same practice is taking place in fie
miu-
land corn district,. but why ? Is the Clai]valler
b.rley so much preferred by maltsters as to render the
sowing of the old spin variety cf little avail ? So
we hear. Or may we not lock to the spread of what
is sillily called " tee-totalism ? " A vary sensible letter
appear:, signed " A Farmer," at p. 5, col. iii., of the
Alark Lane Express. The writer views the prospective
consequences of an abstinence from beer on farm pro-
duce, and adds " The fiat article that it may be at all
likely to affect would be barley. Now, after watching its
effects for above a year, I am come to the cnncluei9n
that it would be so far from being an injury to us, that I
believe it would be an immense benefit. I find when a
labouring mm has left off drinking he generally purchases
a pig, and bestows more barley upon that in the course of
the year than he would consume himself in the shape of
malt. In fact, if all the labouring classes spend nothing
for drink, nearly all that they earn is laid out for food ;
and thus every sixpence comes back to the farmer imme-
diately, without, perhaps, more than one penny being de-
ducted for a profit for the butcher a'id baker ; but if the
same sixpence is spent at the public-house, not mor than
three half-penci of that comes back to the grower."
We cannot copy the whole, nor its most just allusions to
the eff.rct cf abstinence on lahou,-, or. the d,rection of ori—
lay, on family comfort, Poor-laws, and taxation. As the
mental and bodily power so maintained would be devo:el
to the manual and practical duties of husbandry, so might
we, with equal justice, ins;st 'hat science, direct 'd by na-
tional educational farms, would influence the knowledge or
theagi iculturist and conduct him to the perfection of his arr.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.

HOUSE OF LORDS, APRIL 1.

The House sat to-day, to hear anpeali. The Peers present
were the Lord Chancellor, the Earl of Bandon, and Lor,
Colburne. '

THE MARQUIS OF BREADALBANE V. CAMPBELL.

The LORD CHANCELLOR gave judgment to-day- in this case,
affirming the judginent below, with costs. The only question
in the ease related to the validity of the entail of the lands
which formed the property of Combie.