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London, England, 1847-04-16 00:00:00

WASTE LANDS IN IRELAND.

The Marquis et WESTMEATH brought in a Bill to
restrain the sale of waste of lands in Ireland, which was
read a first. time. _ _ _

The NOBLE MARQUIS also gave notice that he should,
on Monday next, move a resolution to the effect, that in
the present state of the law of landlord and tenant in
Ireland, and atter the decision come to the other day in
the House of Commons, it was inexpedient to impose
any further burdens upon the landlords of Ireland.
Several Bills were advanced a stage, and their Lord-
ships then adjourned.

HOUSE ()I GUM MONS, April 15.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
Mr. PINNEY took the oaths and his heat for East
Somerset.
BREACH OF STANDING ORDERS.
fir W. lIEATHCOTE stat*d that Mr. Ileneage had
not at.ended in his place on a Committee, but a. he
bel►eved that then• bad not been suffi••kr.t Lotice, and no
tiouht he would be in hii place on Mond.iy, he did nut
think it necessary to make any motion „r• ,he matter.
GOVERNMENT SCHEME OF EDUCATION.

.
Colonel REID presented a petition froni the Sunday-
school teachers and others auainst the plan.
COLC I I ESTER RAILW AY.
Mr. C. BERKELEY presented a number of petitions
in favour of the Celchester
ROCHDALE CANAL PURC "ASE.
Mr. BEcKETT presented a petition from manufac-
turers of South Larcashire against the purchase of this
canal. The lion. Member also presencd two petitions
against the Noith-Westerri Railway Ex:,-nsion.
SOUTH-WES f ERN RAILWAY EXTENSIONS.
Mr. SEYItER presented forty-eight' petitions in
favour of ;he Bill, for these extensions.
LLANILLGOLLEN AND CARDIGAN RAILWAY.
Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition against the Bill for
this railway.
LONDON, OXFORD. AND CHELTENHAM
RAILWAY.
Captain BERKELEY presented six petitions in favour
of this railway.
HOLYHEAD HARBOUR.
On the motion of Mr. WARD, the following Memhers
were nominated as the Select Committee for the Holy-
head Harbour Bill:—Viscount Morpeth, Mr. Ward, Mr.
W. 0. Stanley, Admiral Dundas, Colonel Pennant,
Captain Birkeley, Mr. Bulkeley Hughes, Mr. Parker,
Sir Stephen Glynne, Mr. Tufnell, and five Members to
be added FP? the Committee of Selection.
Mr, GILL suggested the appointment of Lord Sandon
as a Member of the Committi. e.
Lord SANDON said that it was incompetent for the
Committee to proceed until they had received the report
of the Commissioner,,, and that the Committee therefore
would be useless at hia.4 at the present time.
Mr. WARD said that this Committee was simply in-
tended to inquire into the objections which hal been,
and he believed very needlessly, made against the plans
of Mr. R•mdell. The Noble Lord was aware that a
very large sum had been actually voted for the formation
of the harbJur, and if he would serve upon the Com-
mittee there would be a great facility given to the
labours of the Committee.
Mr. WILLIAMS was astonished that the Hon. Se-
cretary to the Admiral.), had brought forward this mo-
tion at the present time. A very large sum was to be
d.3voted to this subject, he believed upNards of a million
and a half, and he .bought that the least that could be
done wou d be to wait until the report of the Commis-
sioners had been made.
Mr. W. 0. STANLEY thought that the observations
of the Hon. Member fur Coventry were quite out of
place, for this was no new measure. It had been amply
discussed at the time, and the Government hat given
every information in reply to the many inquiries which
had then been made. Th., whole of the plan had been
stated, and he thought that the Noble Lord the Member
ter Liverpool had given circulation to the most gross
and injurious fabrications.
Lord SANDON utterly denied that such had been the
case.
Mr.W.O.STANLEY—Well,thosefabricationshsti been
circulated with facility among the Members of the HiMse.
The Committee was for nothing more than to enable the
CroWn to purcha,e land at lieybead.
Mr. WARD wit., quite willing to postpone the motion
till to-morrow, as well as the other matter connected
with it.
The motien was acc•,rdingly pestponed.
USE OF GRAIN IN BREWERIES.

Mr. BROTHER I'ON pre,ented a petition from the
inhatiiwits 01 Leeds t- prevent the use of grain in
breweries and distiDerit.s.

EDUCATION.
Lord EMLYN presented six petitions from various
congregations of Dissenters in Pembrokeshire against
any further grant for ettucatior al purposes.
Pelititns against the Goverement scheme of education
were presented by Mr. Mitchell ; by Mr. Duncan, from
Dumfries ; by Sir G. Staunton, from Ports, a ; 25 peti-
tions by Mr. Barklc, from inhabitants of Bristol ; by
Mr. P. Bennet ; by Mr. Caristie, from Weymouth ; 13
petitions by Sir B. Hall, from different parishes in
Wales ; by Mr. Allan], from Leeds ; and by Mr.
Muntz, from inhabitants of Birmingham.
ABUSE OF CliA RI FABLE FUNDS.

Mr.y. D UNCONI BE presento.l a petiti.,n,nutnerousl

signed by inhabitants of Pontefract, complaining that
the sum of 1,2001. per annum arising from lan(ls, and
6
004 per annum arising from other sources left for the
purpose of sending scholars to St John's College, Cam-
bridge, bad been grossly abused, and praying the House
to inquire into the management of the funds.
Mr. P. HOWARD presented two petitions in favour
of the Bill that was lost yesterday.---(Laughter.)
Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from the town of
Sheffield, agreed to at a meeting where 5,000 or 6,000
persons were present, against the Government scheme of
education ; also a petition to the same effect, signed by
100 Dissenting ministers in London and Westminster.
Mr. WILLIAMS presented a petition from Coventry
to the same eff...ct.
Mr. BANKES presented a petition from a place in
the county of Carnarvon against the Holyhead Harbour
Bill ; also a petition from Dissenters in the county of
Dorset, against the Government scheme of education,
and a petition from Saltash, against the Poor Removal
Act of last session.
Mr. W. O. STANLEY presented a petition from
Aberystwith against., the Government scheme of
education.
Mr. BOUVERIE presented a petition from the
merchants and traders of London, praying for the con-
solidation of the bankruptcy and insolvency laws.
Mr. F. FRENCH presented a petition, signed by the
High Sheriff and other landed proprietors in the county
of Roscommon, against out-door relief.
Mr. M. GIBSON presented three petitions from Man-
chester against the Government scheme of education.
Mr. P. SCROPE presented several petitions from
Stroud against the Government scheme of education.
Captain HARRIS presented a petition to the same
effect.
Mr. MACAULAY presented a petition from Edit-
burgh to the same effect.
Viscount NEWRY presented a petition from the
county Down praying Government to give a system of
railways to Ireland.
TRADING IN SEDUCTION.

Mr. GREGORY presented seven or eight petitions
from various parts of the country in favour of the Hon.
Member for Birmingham's Bill against trading in seduc-
tion.
Dr. BOWRING gave notice that the motion which
he had been compelled to put off that day, in consequence
of the absence of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, he
should bring forward that day fortnight.
FItEE TRADE IN JAMAICA.

Mr. HUME gave notice that, QU that day week, he
should al the attontirm of tilt. House to a petition
signed by 4:000 people from Jamaica, praying for free
trade, and Hn additional supply of labour to that island.

.
WARDEN. &c., OF THE NEW FOREST.
Mr. TRELAWNY inoved for returns of the names of
the warden, verderers, romarderers, surveyors, deputy
surveyors, Masters, or keepers of walks, lodge keepers,
and of such other officers who have residences within
the New Forest, by whom and when appointed,
their fees, emoluments, and perquisites, the
name of their places of res,detic-, and the
quantity of land atuwhed to their residences,
during the years 1841, 184.1, and 1846 ; of the names of
the courts held within, the New Forest, the usual tlnte
awl-place of . bolding Ilut .of Ihe 444e$
stewards, anti all other officers of the said courts, by
whom and when appinted, the amount of the tee,, per-
, quootes, and emoluments of the said officers, during each
of the said years, and the annual other expenses of hold-
ing the said courts ; of the number of acres of which
the New Forest co
nsists, the extent of land en-
closed? and the extent unenelosecil and the number of

acres under tillagc'; of the estimated number of (14-Pr
kept in the New Forest during each of the said years,
and the number killed in each of the said years, stating
the estimated number of deer kept and killed in each
walk of the forest; of the number of licenses grairled,
or in force, for hunting or shooting in the forest, in the
said years, by whom such licensee are granted, and the
total amount of fees paid, in each of the said years, for
the same. Agreed to.
COURT OF CTIANCERY.
Mr. HUME wished to ask a question of the Noble
Lord at the head of the Government, a question of !
which he had given notice. It was respecting the Court
of Chancery. He had moved on a former day for copies
of the evidence and the report made by the Commis-
sioners who had been appointed to examine into
the proceedings of the Court of Chancery. Su,ce
the time of the appointment of the Commissioners,
however, it, would appear that no absolute report bed
been made, though certain recommendations had been
made by them. What he wanted to know from
her Mapely's Gelvernment was, whether eity at-
ter:dem iu the plan. recommended by the Corn-
tnissi mers had been cone to, regardint; the
aholiiion of tte Master in Chancery, and the other
otficert connectel therewith, and the appointment of
two judges instead. This Act of 4 and 5 Vietoria
gave the L.wd Chancellor the p,,wer of making
the, changes, but five years had elapsed and yet no-
thing was dune. Last year but one a rcselution on
the same subject had b«-en come to, aed though two
years had el Ipsel since then. nothing wa• accomplished.
Ile wanted to knew feem the Noble Lird when the
eheng, s v.-W(1 be made ?

L :;1-1 J. RUSSELL sald, in answer to tlo first point of
the Hun. Member, atone the abolition of the Ma-ter
in Chancery, the Lord Chancellor had e.cvitlered the
matter, and the result was the duties of the Master in
the Exchequer had dean added te those of the Master
in Chancery.—(Hear, hear.) This arrangement ren•
dered the original one. recomtni nrl.2d now, unne-
cessary. The Honourable Member might thence
infer that it was not the intention of the Govern-
ment to fill up any vacanei,s that might ',rise.
He trusted, also, that with respect to the iiitenti-iis of
the Lord Charcellor, changes of a beneficial character
to the interests of the suitors would be introduced into
Chancery processs very shortly.
Mr. HUME suggested whether, as no official report
had been laid on the table of the House, any objection
could be raised to the Lord Chancellor's collecting the
information required, and so bringing it in a tangible
shape before the House.
Lord J. RUSSELL did not think that any oljection
, could be urged against such a course.
JEWISH DISABILITIES.
Mr. SPOONER, said that. as the answer of the Noble
, Lord-to the questimxof the Hon. Member for Tavist..ick
with respect to the civil disabilities of the Jews was
very generally misunderstood, he begged to repeat the
question. He wished to ask whether it was the intention
of the Government to remove those di:ahilities which
prevented Jews from occupying seats in that House?
The aciwer of the Noble Lord wat, that it was
not the intention of th,‘ Government to briug in slich
measure, but he stated that he did net mete to say that
he should oppose the bringing in a general measure in
reference to the subject. He wished to know whether
it was the intention of the Ministry to bring in a mea-
sure involving the repeal of these disabilities?
Luca JOhN RUSSELL said that the Hon. Gentle•
man was quoe right in saying that his former anise+ r
had been mi, understood, although at the same
time it appeared that the Honourable Geotle-
man had collected its substance very correctly.
lie did not mean to say that the Government
would bring in a specific measure, but if a general met-
Sure were introduced with respect to a change in the
oaths, he did not consider that any opposition need be
given to such a measure. All he could say now was, that it
was not at all probable that &measure would be introduoed
by the Government in the course of this session, but
neither would he pledge himself that such a Bill would
not be introduced.—(Lenghter.)

EDUCATION.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM wished to ask the Noble
Lord at the head of the Government the two questions
of which he had given notice, with respect to the minute
of Council on the subject of education, which had been
laid on the table of the House in the course of the session.
The first question was, whether in the minutes of Coun-
cil, it was intended that, as heretofore, no aid should
be given to schools that are not in communication with
the one or the- other of the two societies—the
National School Society, or the British and
Foreign School Society ; - and if the Noble
Lord's answer should be in the negative, that
it was not the intention of the Government to give to
other schools as well, then his next question followed,
occasioned by a statement made by a reverend member
of the Church of England, at a public meeting.,
that Government aid was to be confined to
those schools in which the authorised version
of the Scriptures was used. He wished, therefore, to ask
the Noble Lord whether any such limitation was to be
introduced?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, in answer to the Right
[lon. Baronet, in the first place, that there had been Tu.
alteration in the minutes of Council of 1846 which had been
laid on the table of the House, to the effect that no grants
should be made except to schools in connexion
with the National or the British and Foreign School
Society, or in which the authorised version of th,
Scriptures were used. But inquiries had been
made in reference to that point by dill rent
parties, and the Presid,nt of the Council had in answer
referred theta to the minutes of Council of 1839 Pr. -
'foils to 1839, tee view was that Government aid could
only be given to schools in c ,nnec ion with these so-
ci. ties. But in 1839 it was intimated that th.•
Committee of Council would censid.-r other applications
mad-, not through these societies, but as special c•ses,
and they would be considered as special. It had.
however, been intimated by Lord La. slown,‘, the
President of the Council, that the C nniulttep 0
Council would not insist that such epplic itions shout,'
be considered us special cases, but that if they should
seem deserving of aid, aid would be grun'eo, although
they were not in connection woh those societies. Re
feronce hiving been wiatie to the ininu:es of the ve
1839, when it was made necessary that the authorise,:
seronin of the Scriptures should be used in the ache,
the impression seemei to have been made that that
limi-atioo ctdl continued. But it must be recollect&
that Boman Catholics since tben had received Govern-
ment aid in their schools. 'l' ere might be some attera
does m.aite with reap ct to R oaan Catholic sch eds.
Lord J. RUSSELL. in rely to questions from Mr.
Duncomte- and Mr. Ewart, said that every th;ng that was
required would be found to be contained in the minutes.
With respect to the minutes of 1832, they had long be-
fore been presented to the House.
RELIEF P 3 IRELAND.

Mr. HAWES presewed a dispatch from British
Guiana, in'which .it was stated that 1,200/. were coi-
lected for the distressed Irish; also another trorn Birba
does, where 2,0001 wFss collected for the smile purpose.
WRECK OF THE

Viscount INGES rRE moved for a Select Committee
to inquire into the circumstances relative to the re
covery of treasure and public stores sunk in her Ma
jesiy's Lite frig lte 'Teti,, off Cape Rio. in 1830.
Ile would preface the observations, which he was about
to make, by stating that he did not want the trea-
sury to pay away nion:l as a gift, but to renth-r
up that which had been unjustly obtained frog:
a body of men who exerted themselves most
laudably in saving a vast arpount of treasur4
from the wreck of her Majesty's frigate Thetis. She w,s
sunk in water from six to thirteen fathoms deep, and had
it not been for the exertions, bravery, and mechanical
skill of Captain Dickenson, 157,0001. would have
been lost. It was his intention so long ago
as 1844 to have brought this subject under the attention
of the House. But he was prevented by his Hon. and
Gallant Friend the Member for Ripon, who was of
opinion that discussion might prejudice the
cause, as he believe.l that the Baard of
Admiralty would do justice to these brave men.
In the correspondence which had taken place upon the
subject, when several officers had volunteered to recover
a quantity of the treasure, it was stated that no expense
would be entered into on the public account, beyond the
use of the crews of those ships on the station who might
not otherwise be engaged. That permission having been
given, it was most unfair to charge the expense of the
provisions of the crews and their pay upon those who
had attempted a public service. It was shown that ,
there was no other service in which to employ
the crews, and it was merely a little extra work.
It was said that the treasure in the ship was 157,0001.,
and the stores were estimated at from 2,0001. to 3,0001.
An. adjudication was made on the question in 1834,
after a long investigation by the Commissary Ge-
neral, tat the decision did not give satisfactioa.
In this case there was recovered not less than 157,000/.
and there was scarcely anything like a fair proportion
given tor the recovery of it. He did not wish to press
any particular course on•this, but he did suggest that a
Committee of inquiry should be appointed in this
matter. He must say on bQhalf of those hardy seamen
employed in the service that their remuneration was
miserably inadequate to their services, notwithstanding
their praiseworthy conduct and the hardships endured.
He thought it was bad encouragement to those who had
risked their lives to recover property, and save human
life. He thought 161. or 171. a head would not have been
too great a remuneration for their services. He hoped
that the House would not sanction suet] an unprece-
dented act as the present. The Hon. Gentleman
con-
eluded by moving for a Committee o
the of
I mot
Captain PECHELL thought thintg
log
II':
-erY•oefx t rtia110
ridhie
cases be had ever heard -
nary. One
ofherMajestfsdasihiigpes;ouswhecnoast,
ona
cruise, was wrecked on a
and
the stores and specie on board
that everyt ri risk.
The admiral on the station gave orders
exer-
tion should ba made to save the sp.-cie and.stores,andCapt.
Dickinson was the officer who had toe duty in charges, and
who had exerted himself in a, w inner the most exem-
plary. After several months suffering and privations
of the ex:renrtst kind endured by the crew
at work on the wreck, a very considerable
r:um of
vdedoverfroonne thtihred of' hip.
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till,
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nightn
now
feltoiw in
and his
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xsd
.et°ehlYkie:ril
the excesssive charges and extortion of the Admiralty
and Ecclesiastical Courts, had been exposed, but he
won',d say, this bill of the Board of Admiralty, of 1831
and 1832, he did not know wh ) they were, was
.of wt,rse character. It was not only abo-
'minable -extortion,- but :.gross (*ars IMO,
Thirteen thousand pounds was charged for the wear and
tear of these vessels, and they &so charged for the time
the ships were employed on other s rviee for the vic-
tualling of the men. The shps were back-.
wards and forwards, and on other duties, yet, not-
withstanding, they were charged fr. He disputed
the principle of charging at all. 2,1931.1 was charged