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pannel of impartial men on a question like that which was then
In agitation.
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The witness was asked if he thought the committal of all
the parties fora great crime was a measure which tended at all
to allay the exasperation of which he had spoken ? ,
Sir J. MACKINTOSH objected to this question.
Mr. BENNET thought it might be put as other questions
on matters of opinion had been allowed.
Mr. BRIGHT thought that the examination ought no to be
stopped.
Examination resumed.—Witness thought it might increase
the exasperation in the minds of many. The parties accused
had not lnen committed for high treason by witness. It was
never proposed by him to sip such a committal. The wit.
ness had no personal objection to state any thing that had
passed ; the witness received several informations, which he
signed ; there was an information on the capital charge, which
he subscribed ; he subscribed one information respecting a con-
versation at a tavern in Essex-street.
Q. Did any information the witness subscribed warrant a
committal on a capital charge 2 A. In the ordinary course of
his business, as a Magistrate, he should not have considered it
ground for a capital charge. The committal of Sharpe was
signed by R. Searle.
Examined by a MEMBER—The committals took place on
the 2341 December; the trials were on the 2d or 3d February ;
it was not likely the sheriff should have struck a panel for the
trial of the rioters on the 17th of December.—The witness then
withdrew. _ _

Virm. Leadon called—The witness was a tallow-chandler in
Dublin. He knew James Hornsby. That person was dead.
Before his death he made a communication.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAI. wished to know the ob-
ject of the examination of this witness.
Colonel BARRY—To impeach the evidence of two wit-
nesses respecting Graham and throwing the rattle.
Mr. PLUNKETT said, the Hon. Member could only exa-
mine to prove the witnesses could not be believed on their
oaths.

Mr. BROUGHAM was ready to allow the utmost latitude
in the Inquiry, but he could not say they had any right to exa-
mine a person as to what a dead man had said, and which was
to impeach the evidence of two witnesses.
Col. BARRY said, he should prove the dead man confessed
he threw the rattle, and that he was identified as the man who
threw it, in Newgate. He thought such evidence was in hiS
opinion admissible.
The witness was called in.
A. He had a conversation with the man ; in the month of
March he called upon him ; the man was in a dangerous stage
of consumption. Speaking of the trials in the King's Bench,
the man said the lads will get off better than they expect, as
little do they know that it was poor James Ormsby who threw
the rattle; he died some time after.
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Examined by a ME 3111Ek---Onnsby, when he made the de-
claration, was in a dying state; he was in the last stage of con-
sumption.
Examined by Mr. GOULDURN—The witness went to see
Handling in the prison.
•By Mr. PLUNKETT—The witness neur made any deposi-
tion to impeach the testimony of the witness ; he was intimate
with Mr. Forbes ' • he was not a member of any lodge.
Examined by Mr. BROUGHAM—He was an Orangeman
and a purple man. He was not intimate with Mr. Ormsby.
At the time the traversers were tried, Ormsby was not in dan-
ger of death. The man was on his death-bed in March, when
he had the conversation with the witness. The man was in a
state of mind which the sense of immediate dissolution might
produce: He went after a book he had lent to Mr. Omisby,
He told Mr. Forbes of the conversation on the Friday fol-
lowing.
Lord MILTON.—Q. What made the witness so anxious that
the traversers should he acquitted ?—I certainly,felt for. them
•AR belonging to the same lodge.
Robert Gilbert called—He never recollected persons coming
to the gaol of Newgate to see the rioters. A man named
Orrnsby was identified by one Lewis as the man, who threw
the rattle. Major Tandy, 'a Magistrate, was present at the
time. The witness pointed out Graham, but Lewis said
Ormsby was the man.
Examined by Lord MILTON—He considered the circum-
stance of Lewis pointing out Ormsby as the man who threw the
rattle a matter of importance ; but he made no communication
because Major Tandy was present. Lewis was sub-sheriff of
the county of Kildare.
By Col. Bait RY—The persons charged with the riot were put
on the felons' side, where they remained seven days.
Re-examined by Lord Mri..rox—Lewis said on his own
knowledge that Ormsby. was the man. When the witness told
him Ormsby was not one of the prisoners there, he said he was
not so certain of his face as his clothes.
Examined by Air. SMlTll—Ormsby was there on a visit.—
The witness afterwards spoke to Ormsby, and told him a gen-
tleman had pointed him out as-the man who threw the rattle,
and that he was known by his clothes. Ormsby appeared much
agitated, and said he did not wear the coat he had on, at the
time the rattle was thrown. •

Examined by Sir J. NewPonT—He was not examined at
the trial ; he told the Tmversera that a Gentleman brought by
Major Tanday had pointed out Ormsby as the man who threw
the rattle; they did call upon him as a witness; he told the
agent of the Traverses, all he knew about it.
Examined by Mr. ELLICE of Coventry—He said he expect.
id to be calledi but was not called because Mr. Lewis did not
attbut to identify Ormsby at the trial.
-Sir J. NEWPORT—Q. Who told you the person was Mr.
Lewis ?—A.: It was told me in confidence, and Ido not wish
to mention the Gentleman's name. _ _

. Sir J. NEWPORT pressed the question, and the witness said
he was told it was Mr. Lewis, by Mr. Stoddart, a Police Ma-
gistrate.
The witness having withdrawn,
Colonel BARRY said, It was not his Intention to call more
witnesses as they had not arrived from Dublin. It was there.
fore for the House to say when the examination should come
on again. - He had more witnesses to move for.
Mr. OOULBURN said it was the wish of the House to dis-
cuss the Insurrection Bill on Monday.
On the motion of Sir J. MACKINTOSH, Sheriff Cooper was
called in.

Mr. Cooper told Mr. Poole, when he applied to be put on
the Grand Jury, to go to Mr. Sheriff Thorpe, who was in the
Sheriff's Court. It was either on Tuesday or Friday in that
week. The pannel was not settled before Pool's application.
On the motion of Mr. JONES, Mr. R. Moore was called in.
He lived in the city. of London ; he was a stockbroker, and had
a clerk named H. M'Kulloch ; he knew Sheriff Thorpe; he
saw M'Kullock in his office from ten to five; he asked his
clerk whether he had been to the theatre; he said he had, and
that he took no part in the riot whatever; he was on the
grand jury, but did not know that more than two were re-
quired in law to make a riot.
The witness withdrew.
Lord FOLKESTONE proposed that the House should ad-
journ over Wednesday. •
Colonel BARRY thought it expedient to proceed again on
Wednesday.
On the motion of Colonel BARRY. the Chairman reported
progress ; and the House having resumed, the Committee was
ordered to sit again on Wednesday.
The other Orders of the. Day were then read, and the House
adjourned at HALF-PAST TWELVE O'CLOCK, to Monday.