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FOREIGN TREATIES.

Mr. CANNING said, that by commaild of his Majesty, he
had to place on the table of the House, copies of commercia 1
treaties entered into between his Majesty and the Kings or
Prussia and Sweden. The papers were accordingly laid on ti e
table.

Mr. CURTEIS presented a petition frcm a certain indivi-
dual, whose name we could not hear, complaining of the Bill
ft r Regulating Bonded Wheat.
Sir HENRY PA N ELL presented a petition from certain
molesters in the Queen's County, complaining of some mode
of assessing the duty upon them.
111 r. lIERRIES promised that the complaint • of the peti-
tioners should be attended to.
CATHOLIC CLAIMS.

Mr. PLUNKETT rose to present a petition from certain
Roman Catholics of Ireland, praying for a removal of the legal
disabilities under which they laboured. The Right Hon. and
Learned Gentleman observed, that in presenting this petition,
he might as well state to the House, that he had no intention
to go into the general question on this subject during the
Present Session, or to invite any discussion upon it, on the
petition he was about to introduce to the House. The pe-
titioners warmly expressed their loyalty and affection for his
Majesty's person, and their gratitude for the grace and kind-
ness he skewed them during his visit to their country; and added
that they relied upon his Majesty's Royal word to discourage
all religious discord ; and that they still relied upon that word,
although they had been opprobriously treated by a faction, and
even insulted by a Dignitary of the Church. He was sorry to
find these expressions in the petition, because he feared they
had a tendency to revive those dissentions which it could net
but be the interest of the petitioners themselves to set at rest.
In every other sentiment expressed by the petition he heartily
concurred. The petitioners, complained that power at d honaur
were enjoyed by only a few, and that this exclusive power in-
duced pride and contempt in its possessors towards all others.
The general language, indeed the whole, with the exception he
had mentioned, was correct and moderate, and such as he highly
approved of. ft was signed by POO per, ns, and was therefore
not the petition of the general body of Catholics. It was as
the petition of those individuals alone that tie presented it. He
thought it proper thus distinctly to express himself, to avoid
any possible misapprehension. Ile disclaimed any connection
with any body of people whatever in Ireland. With regard to
the present petition, he should merely move that it be printed.
He did not, as he before observed, intend to found any motion
upon it this Session. On this important question he had al.
ways exercised, and always should exercise his own unbiassed
judgment ; and lie was induced to forbear making any motion
this session, because he believed it would be unavailing. Still,
his opinion on the subject was unaltered ; and that opinion was
formed upon a matured and dispassionate judgment. Indeed,
if he had any prejudice at all on the question, it would not be
a prejudice in favour of these petitioners. It would rather be
the other way. He was convinced of the justice of the cause of
the peritieners, of its urgency, aul of its ultimate success.—
; (Hear, hear 1)--He was convinced that it was absolutely certain
' it would succeed sconer or later ; that its success was indeed as
dpils'ycusi&casiloncatiipseosn. thtleesurbe--
pc eerattaeidn
tahsa at n yh
ee vheandt dheep ewn
ids ihn
to draw
uponject at that moment. His only desire was to state his own -in-
dividual opinion. He concluded by moving that the petition'
be brought up.

The petition was accordingly brought up, read, and ordered
to lie on the table, and be print d.
A Message from the Lords here announced their Lordships'.
assent to several Pills. -
INSURRECTION ACT.

Lord PA LMERSTON brought up the first report of the
Committee on the Insurrection Am—Ordered to lie on the.
table.

GOUI,BURN then gave notice that to-morrow he
should move the renewal of the above Act. _ _

Mr. ABERCItOMBY objected to the taking so serious a
measure on so short a notice. There would not be time to read
the evidence.
Mr. CALCRA FT also objected to the shortness of the
notice:
Mr. Secretary PEEL said the short notice for the first mo-
tion was of little importance.; as the Bill would not be pressed
to a second reading until time had been given for a considera-
tion of the papers
Mr. ABERCROM BY said that time for consideration was
now more necessary than ever, as the Bill had, in former cases.
been brought in under the authority of Ministers, while it was
now proposed to introduce it on the authority of a Committee of
the House.

IRISH MALT DUTY.
Sir HENRY PARNELL presented a petition from several
maltsters of Ireland against the Irish Malt Duty.—Ordered in
lie on the table, after a few words from Mr. HERMES and Sir
JOHN NEWPORT.
CATHOLIC ASSOCIATION.

1 Mr. BROWNLOW said the petition he held in his hand re-
lated to the Roman Catholic Association of Dublin ; and is
consequenet of some remarks made a short time since by the
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, he trusted it would at-
tract the attention of Government as well as that of the House.
He should call upon Government to exercise the powers they
legally possessed, in order to restore peace to Ireland if it
exercise would be seen from the statement he should make to
distinctrr he m e no
oc ov
ern
rrunt'sfeiofinrgit;
the House. He was authorized, by a respectable Friend of
were really possible to do so
, his own, to state that the present Petition had been prepared
k with a scrupulous attention to facts, and that each signature
was affixed by the person whose name the signatuirieunrrreceit.
sented. Had it been exposed for signatsres,
; and the necessity of which
• lAiesyseodciatitlieonevlysswia,lile:h:watn:led- -
peovwe re
rcseaje;
and it was offered to the House with about thirtynot depend merely
of course the importance of a Petition did.
hey stated their
desireuo r p
on thousandstitioe
mn maintain
immn
tbiagei might top;
eaialvcaeembaeensedna
gffi,i procured,
9 but
names, not
though
col oungell
_.„,i will 'among their country-
ill unfortunately did not exist
men, that this peace and g
at this moment ; and they referred
to the conduct of the body
-eyrdefevirred the cause of the present
state of things in a grea,t measure Catholic Association. While Ws
calling itself the Roma_,
d now
o afflicted; no
y oan i
Legislativen Ireland
i t s presentw oAt 1
slcourse, y h...
.e_t h
eb a ...it
and did not confine themselvestable, to a rneie
°f
istteeys of Grievances
ti, Reports, and other delibe-;
attention. when they were performed
qtith: istnig.even orders a Census to be taken of the
rate pulation of the kingdom. Acts like these must of
imitation of a .
Committees
abandoned his duty had he not presented this Pe- -
course demand by men
shouldng no legal powertherefore conceived that he
tition to the House, so respectably signed as it was. When
In land was so poor that the Chancellor of the Exchequer could
raise no assessment, from her, she was called upon, and he
was sorry to say, answered the call, to pay an emancipation, 'or.
whai.:lolePpetoiti
(eel
as it was termed, a Slave Tax. By this Association was a lvy
made throughout the whole Catholic population. This' was in
itself an illegal assumption of the Most daring description, arid
would serve to bring to light the real objects of the Associa-
tion. These objects to a certain extent he could state to be
to supply the Americans with a priesthood, and their haughty
r&ghbours in England, with instruction—in their own words,

"" to supply our haughty neighbours of England with instruc-
eion- in their ancient faith, which ever was and ever will be
the only source of the social virtues."—(A laugh.)—Another
object of the . Association in levying this tax was, to buy
up the independent press of the country which should pre-
smile to oppose Catholic sentiments and interests.—With these
professed ,views he should leave the House to deal as it
thought fit. All who knew the value of a word in Ireland,
where so much in the human breast was in the nature of touch-
wood, would not fail to see that the effects of this tax must be
of great importance. Certainly, if any thing could prove that
the .Irish were slaves, it would be the submitting to pay this
tax. 'To tell them they were slaves, was to tell them that they
had the right to throw off the yoke of their Governors, which
was the common right of every British subject under such cir-
- eunastances. It was a direct endeavour to excite hatred and
contempt for the laws of the British realm, and almost as direct
• an incitement to arms as could be addressed to a generous
people., But, if there were nothing in the Catholic assuming
the right of taxation, over a country without Parliamentary
authority, and creating such an uproar against individuals,
that the Archbishop of Dublin, for instance, could not go out
of hia house, there would remain something still, which it
became that House .to resent with peculiar indignation.—
So as that Association lasted, the free liberty of speech
would not exist to Meth Members in that House. It might be
granted at the beginning of a Session, but he must be a bold
-man who should maintain his independence throughout, when •
there existed such means of raising a powerful outcry .against
him. The whole objectand tendency of the Association was
to .checic the liberty of speech and overawe the freedom of
. thought. Was that House; then, to give tip the right of taxing
the people of Ireland to the Catholic Association ? A small
band of agitators was enough for Ireland. Their ostensible oh-
ject was to petition Parliament, but in fact they only met"
to harangue .with factious declamation against individuals un-
der temporary pressure. The Irish were not a people who
had education .to repel the sophistry, or who had comforts suf-•
ficient to block up their hearts against the inflammatory ap-
peals of this Association. Ile knew not by what other means
than could be devised by that House this Society could be
dealt with. Ile had heard of the supremacy of the law—he had
ineard diet law was convertible with sovereignty itself.; but in
Ireland it was only convertible by impotency, ridicule, and
laughter—and never more than by those men hid it been
ridiculed, laughed at, and boastingly evaded. That they
,assembled for the purposes of petitioning he denied. Their
petition was known by every peasant in the country, long
before it was adopted, and any one able to write, could write
it from beginning to end.as well as the first statesman of the
:.Association. They met, and adjourned, and met again and
again ; they published the most licentious harangues, and
hlid every thing, in short, but petition. Since February they
foul met, but they had beard nothing of their petition. The
. bold meaning, the tone and manner of their harangues, and
the exposition of the numbers at their backs, all showed that
their object was to bear down all opposition, and make the
Legislature adopt what measures they thought conducive
to the cintereats of Ireland. All who were attached to the
right of
,petitioning ought to regard their proceedings as
elnustileafor it was the riotous abuse of a right that led to the
curtailment of it. Petitioning might, perhaps, have been the ,
original view of the Institution, but moderation had always •
'been kicked out of the doors by them, and any Gentleman,
• really attached to the interests of the country, who might wish
.• to take a lead there, was sure to be put down by the factious
..and the upstart.—(Hear, hear U.—They had already outraged
every Protestant in the country, and scandalized the Roman
Catholics. lie might safely say that, if they were to be mecia
sured by such a standard, or confounded by such men, whoa
eif they had any talent, it was just such as was enough to;
teach them how to cheat the law, and who cared no more
about the Catholic cause than it served to promote their.'
• own interests, whilst they exasperated the passions of all par--
ties, and retarded the success of that very petition which they
pretended to be the end of their meeting. He had been asked.
at the corner of every street, what had become of his Ma-
jesty's Attorney-General for Ireland, who had so lately
shewn himself to be so active against those who, no doubt,
were very riotous, very misbehaveda and murderous. The
. answer that he had made to each of these anxious inqui-
ries was, that he supposed this Association did not come within
• the reach of the law. Probably the 33d of the late King might
. not reach them, one of the Six Acts might not apply- to them,
.-and an Act passed last year might perhaps be in the same pre
dicament, because they had not corresponding Secretaries, al-
though they had Secretaries who corresponded with every county
in Ireland. Perhaps, however, if the Attorney-General lor
Ireland had been as eager to prosecute this A ssociationas he
had been to pursue the murderous 'bottle holders, he might
have found the law strong enough, and that too without strain-
ing it to an unconstitutional pitch - for his purpose. This, how-
-ever, was a question for lawvears to decide, and he would leave
is in their hands. He would simply ask whether it was fit that
- any country, with the rudest tbrm of a constitution, should
.1-lave a minor association exercising the right of taxing the
Ring's subjects? With portentious -blare it sited its fiery
f_heams through the country, owning no lord, anal doing no
homage. By them the law was transgressed in its spitat, • if
not in its letter. lie called then upon Parliament, as he had
a right to do, to pass their opinion upon an Association such
as this, in a manner suited to the novelty of the situation
in which the law of the country was placed. He was entitled
-to call upon that house to do this, for he had passed his opinion
- in • reprobation of Orange ,processions although he was an
Orangeman. He had, however, been misrepresented upon
this point, for it had been attributed to him, that he had
avowed the principles of Orangemen and Ribandmen together.
• lie never could have said so, unless he had been so unfortu-
nate as to say the very reverse of what he had always thought.
lie had no other opinion of the Ribandmen than what was de-
clared by his Majesty's principal Law officer in the Court at
Dublin the other day, viz.—that their object was that of stir-
ring
up resistence to the law, and creating disturbance and in-
--subordination amongst the people. Of Orange principles he
would say -no more than that they were praiseworthy, mode-
rate, and constitutional. They were the principles which set
in motion the great families, and Whig families too, which
brought about the glorious Revolution, and they ought to be
held in esteem so long as the Bill of Rights was reverenced.—
•,The very contrary were the principles of tile Catholic Associa-
tion. They were destined to perpetuate what the Revolution
• went to destroy, and to disturb what the Revolution intended
to settle. Ile hoped he had said enough to convince the
House that this Association was dangerous to the peace of
• the Empire. He had intended to have moved that the peti-
tion be referred to the Committee sitting upon the disturbed
-Counties : but he found that by the forms of the House he
..Naas too late to effect that object. lie therefore moved that it
•-be.brough t up.
The petition was then brought up and read. On the motion
s that it he lald-on the table,
M r.'PLUNKET T rose to express his obligations to the Pion.
:Member for Armagh, for the Obliging defence lie had made to
those wino had arraigned his (Mr. Plunkett's) conduct. It pro-
ceeded, lie was bound - to suppose, from feelings.of personal
kindness towards himself. The Hon. Member had told diem
athat he had no doubt hia backwardness proceeded from the im-
perfection of the low, • at the same time that he insinuated his
-surprise that he, who had formerly not only put tine law in full
vigour, but actually stepped beyond it in the affair of the bottle
holders, as he was pleased to term them, should have left the
-_.law so inoperative on the present occasion. He could assure
the Honourable Member and his friends who had undertaken
' his defence, ' that --they could not,alter his conduct, nor cause
him to swerve from 'the even course which lie thought
it duty to pursue in discharging the important duties which
-his Majesty had been graciously pleased to impose upon him.
• • ( Hear, hear !)—He looked ,itraight forward without any respect
to party. Whether he was-rigiu or • not, the House would
judge; but the course he bad pursued-w;as that which he ever
should pursue. lie would deal no • left handed justice, and
- whoever transgressed that law, should bythe law be punished.
,The lion. Member for Armagh had avowed Oranise princi-
pl, and declared himself to be, an Orangeman. He could
-assure` that Honourable • Member that if he would furnish
him with adequate proof of that • he abould notfind him back-
ward- in tryiug thestrength of the individual
law to punish an
so obnoxious -to `it.—(Hear'!)--No one, •he could assure the
House, could he more disposed than he was te,wateh.the Ca-
tholic Association, for he thought they required to
be closely
watched. They might or might not be within. the law, and •
•there might be reasons-Why he,- with
all the responsibility of „a
public prosecutor.S should notbe drawn into a public declar t-
ion
one way or the other.—( Hear; hear! t tile same
jtoimn e he must
•observe, that he could not understand why thea Alember
for Armagh, who now sheaved se-much anxiety . (roan inquiry
'into this Association, should have professed-
so hale anxiety
for an inquiry respecting other Associations equ- sily illegal.—
this,
The lion. Member heel Lot given them any.reason for
f.wllilst be very confidently called upon that House for an opi-
upon the subject which he presented to them. ,-It was
;the first time he had ever heard a man venture to profess him-
-self a Member of the illegal Association of Orangemen. The
;Member thought himself quite guiltless because he had
Yraigne(l. their riotous processions, where they simply stepped
'beyond tile,
_pale of the aw to the commission of murder and
every outrage that able of. If Gentlemen
ss men acre eapa e
wouldehooseto associ •
atethernseives with the lowest dregs of the
_community they Inust net
x ect-to taraw themselves out of their
Atrocious acts, to which_ their them by bimply countenance might have encou:
ran
,of them. 11 e be
leave;
tidisclainning participation or approval
ore, to- telkhe lion. Gentle-
- tisat littlest the advice hadCei;
man, • • offered him he might have
,•lsept for himself.- (Hear, hear !I•
141AilitifIE FITZGERALD :A
h in this petition which he Thought that
-there way much, ought to make the House
could ,
yea se I. • .Whatever,eUrgeurr.against trio

Catholic Association, it was most true that they had done no.
thing equal to the provocation which had been offered to them
by other parties.
Sir T. -LETHBRIDGE expressed his surprise that the Ca.
tholic Association had been allowed so long to exist. It was
his opinion that had it not been for Catholic Associations, in
one shape or another, there would have been no Orange
Societies. They were Associations for defence, and as such
only ought to be viewed. He considered that the Honourable
Member for Armagh was entitled to the thanks of every man
in the Empire.
3lr. C. H. HUTCHINSON said that he did not blame the
Hon. Member for Armagh for having presented a Petition, but
at the same time he could not think his Majesty's Attorney.
General for Ireland entitled to animadversion for not having
suppressed the Catholic Association. He hoped that neither
one society nor another would be guilty of illegal conduct ;
but it should never be forgotten, that if the catholics assembled
for the purposes of petitioning or discussing their grievances,
they were goaded on to it by insult and oppressiom. lie was
convinced that the Treat day of emancipation for the Catholic
millions of Ireland was not far distant, and he could assure
his Majesty's Secretary for Foreign Affairs and for the Home
Department, that they would not do their duty unless they
carried this great measure. - He had nothing to blame Isis
Majesty's Secretary for Foreign Affairs but with the Spanish
war, and he hoped he would redeem himself upon this other
important topic.
Colonel TRENCH strongly condemned the Catholic Asso-
ciation of Ireland. He had found in the records of that Asso-
ciation the origin,of many of the atrocious outrages that had of
late been committed. Ile found this in the ineulious proposi-
tion disseminated throughout the country, that all possible faci-
lity should be given to collecting tithes in kind. The object of
tins was to prevent compositions in money, in order to keep up
that irritation which was always created among the peasantry by
any attempt to collect tithes in kind. This and similar in%i_
dious steps were taken by this association under the guidance o
artful leaders whp taught them to transgress the spirit without
violating the letter of the law. Under their protector, O'Con-
nell, they set the law and its precepts at defiance. He consi-
dered it the fertile source of every disorder in that unhappy
country, and one which loudly called for the interference of that
:House. The peace of Ireland depended on its suppression, for j
there was scarcely an outrage which might not be almost directly
traced to it.
Mr. 11. SU3INER approved of the conduct of the Hon.
Member for Armagh in bringing forward this Petition. There
could be no doubt the Association in question was a most mis-
chievous one ; but he did not think the Attorney-General for
Ireland open to any blame for not having prosecuted them.
That Right Hon. Gentleman had, as lie understood him, told
them that lie was watching an opportunity of bringing diem
within the law, but that their artful leaders, or lawyers, pre-
vented then from committing themselves. He was sorry, holy-
ever, the Hon. Gentleman hatl not said something more upon
such a subject.
An Hon. Member from under the gallery spoke in &vit.r of
the Catholic Association (as we. understood.)
Mr. WARRE spoke of the aggravated sufferings of the
Catholics of Ireland. They were an oppressed people, and
ought to receive a certain portion of indulgent consideration
from: those who criticised their conduct. lie wished to see the
Catholics treated as other men, and allowed to possess the same
rights. With regard to the Catholic Association it was no
doubt mischievous to the country, and not serviceable to the
cause it professed to advocate. Ile should like, therefore, to
see the great Catholic Noblemen of this country take the cause
out of the hands of this Association.—(Bear!)
Mr. BROWNLOVIT rose to move that the petition be print-
ed. Whether any, he observed, or how many, of Isis Ilajesty's
Ministers agreed with the Attorney-General for Ireland he did
not know, for they had not tittered one word on the subject.—
.Here was an Association by which every man who professed
-the Reformed Religion, from the Heir-presumptive down to
the meanest subject in the realm, was abused, and yet they
-were left in the dark as to whether such a society was tolerat-
ed by the law or not. A s for the Attorney-General for Ire-
land, when he was asked for a legal opinion upon the Ca-
etholic Association, he told them that if lie (Mr. Brownlow)
would give him proof of his being an Orangeman he would
prosecute him. He was ready, he assured him, to give him
every information, for the more that was known of that Society,
the more it would be admired and respected. Under the hands
of the Catholic As.ociation, Ireland was as miserable being
condemned to be the living subject of anatomy, and yet no man
in power had granted them the benefit of an opinion. For his j
own part, he did believe the Association could be brought
within the reach of the law. All the terrors of the law, aye, '
and powers beyond the Constitutional limit of the law, could be
ransacked to put down Orange Societies ; but this which trans-
gressed the spirit yet cheated the letter of the law was left with
impunity. Ile would say nothing more, than that as the peti-
tion could not be referred to the Committee appointed to exa-
mine into the state of Ireland, it would be throughly examined
by the House itself.

Mr. PLUNKETT said he must throw himself upon the can-
dour and fairness of the House, to say whether the Hon.
Memberhail any right to press him in the way he had, in the
situation in which he stood as a public prosecutor.—(Hear,
hear !)—The Hon. Member said that this Association was act-
Ping improperly and dangerously, but he furnished an answer
to himself in the last sentence of his able reply, wherein he said
•that they transgressed the spirit, but cheated the letter of the
'law. Now suppose him (Mr. P.) to have come to the same con-
clusion, was he to get up and say that he did not believe the As-
sociation.came within the reach of the law, but he would do his
best to ,prosecute th em ?—( Hear ! )—The Hon. M em her for Sur-
rey (Mr. H. Sumner) had misunderstood him, in supposing he
said he was watching an opportunity to prosecute them. He had
said that they required to be narrowly watched, and he pledged
himself to the House, that if lie should see his way clearly..as
to the law, and clearly also as to the prudenq and discretion
of the act, he would not skrink from his duty, and no one who
knew him believed in his heart that lie would. He considered
the Association as calculated highly to endanger the public
peace, and what he valued as highly--the Catholic cause. Ile
considered that it would endanger more the success of that
great object than all its open enemies.—( Hear, hear !)
Mr. Secretary CANNING said, that lie rose in consequence
of the pointed manner in which the lion. Member who present-
ed the Petition had alluded to the Administration. He did not
think it a wise course, upon such an occasion, to deliver his
sentiments upon the main question, nor would he, however
unwillingly, be led to do so. The Hon. Member said he was
precluded from any other motion upon this Petition than mov-
ing that it be printed. Ile (Mr. Secretary Canning) had ex-
pected a subsequent motion, on which it had been his intention
to express his opinion. But he did not think any Gentleman
entitled, on the presentation of a petition, to call upon Go-
vernment for an opinion upon questions affecting the import-
tint interests of the empire, anti he, for one, would never be
drawn upon such an occasion into discussion. He had always
considered it a most inconvenient mode, merely upon the placing
of a petition on the table to, go into the discussion of the evident
and most important subjects; and one in the present case, which,
upon the very chewing of it, must take the House by surprise.
Ile had expected the Hon. Member would have moved to refer
the petition to the Committee up stairs. had he done so, he
should have voted for the motion, and stated his reasons, had it
met with opposition. But to call upon his Majesty's Ministers
to lay down the law in that House was really a mistake of their
functions. 'Whatever he stated as a Minister he hoped would
be received with the respect due to the office, but he claimed
no respect for his law opinions.- It was true that he had for-
merly said there was much mischief in such associations. It
was not, however, a question of feeling, but of discretion,
where free institutions were concerned. It was better in sonic
cases ,not to check such irreeularies, but rather to let them
run to the end of the course by their own natural impulse.—
It was one of the most difficult questions of Government to say
Where the strong arm of Government should be introduced.—
It did not follow because an evil was beyond the law that a
law should be created to meet it. In such cases it was some-
times necessary to hesitate, and decide cautiously and ti•tielly ;
not timidly as running away from danger, but from the tear of
creating a greater evil.' At present he- conceived it to be no
part of his duty to say what was the applicability of the law.
It would require the exertion of a grave and a perilous dis-
cretion to declare what would be the course to take, if the law
should fail. It would be too much, however, for him to say,
that such an Association was highly dangerous. It did more
.mischief to the Catholic cause than to the country even, and as
a friend to the cause he sincerely deplored it. He did not think
.the temper in which the Hon. Member had discussed this ques-
tion, would much lessen the evil. He wished it to expire, but
lie would not ray, least of all upon a petition, what was the
course his Majesty's Government would take.—(Hear!)
- -

The SPEAKER observed, that there existed some mistake
relative to the forms of the House. The Hon. Member for
Armagh (Mr. BraWnlow) had asked him whether, by putting
his name down upon the paper, he could move to refer the pet:-
tion the Committee above stairs ? He had answered that
"he certainly could not without setting aside the sessional rule
of the 'louse, and Alie ordinary course of proceeding. The
Sessional rule was, that Orders of the Day should come before
%lotions, and that notice.of:Anotion should be given upon im-
portant subjects. The I:Ater-rule had never been carried so
far as to exclude the right,of: making motions without notice,
but sitting in that Chair it was his duty to take care the House
was not taken by surprise wherever his advice was concerned.
—(llear, hear!)—The blame, therefore, if anywhere, rested
with him.—(Hear, hear!)
Mr. Secretary CANNING explained. Ile had spoken from
mistake, thinking that notice had been given.
Mr. ABERCROM BY spoke as to the course proper to be
pursued. lie thought it ought ,to. be free..tct thelion. Gentle-

man to lay his petition on the table, and subsequently refer it
to the Committee now sitting up stairs.
Mr. Secretary PEEL had abstained from speaking, from a
persuasion that his Hon. Friend intended bringing forward a
subsequent motion, which he thought would afford the fittest
opportunity for offering his sentiments, and he had expected.
that no more would be done on this occasion than refer the
Petition to the Committee now sitting on the disturbance in
Ireland. He thought it would be premature to enter on the
Subject now, and he begged his Hon. Friend to understand that
he had not been silent from insensibility to its importance, and
still less from disrespect to the individual by whom it had been
brought forward. It was not till the second speech of his Hon.
Friend that he knew of his having changed his intention. Under
existing circumstances he would not offer his opinion on the
case, considering a fitter opportunity would arrive. His Hon.
Friend could act on the idea which had been thrown out, and
after the present motion had been disposed of, give notice of
another for referring it to a Committee up stairs.
Mr. M. FITZGERALD complained of the manner in which
cm Hon. Gentleman opposite had spoken of a respectable
individual in Ireland. He had described "the Catholic Par-
liament to be sitting with their Protector O'Connell," and then
he had represented them to have acted a part which he pro-
ceeded to stigmatize. The Hon. Gentleman, in answer to-this
set forth in the strongest terms the eminent talents, high con-
nections, and large property of that Gentleman, as exempting
him from all suspicion of selfish views or disaffection to the
State.

Colonel TRENCH rose to repel on unjustifiable attack. He
regretted having mentioned the name of any individual, but
had felt it his duty honestly to convey to the House that the
party of whom he had spoken not only acted the part which he
had described where lie resided, but went about to other parts,
making himself the organ of the sentiments of the Association,
and thus producing much mischief. He retracted nothing of
what he had said, though he regretted having mentioned the
name of any one.

Mr. C. HUTCHINSON protested against what had been
advanced by the Hon. Gentleman ; he denied that that charac-
ter was deserved which the ITlen. Gentleman had bestowed; on
millions of his fellow-subjects in Ireland. The Hon. Member
might know some disaffected Catholics in his part of the coun-
try, but this did not justify the libel which he had pronounced
on the population of Ireland. He called on those who were
connected with the Catholics of Ireland to rise a. 4 he did and de-
nounce the charge of disaffection, of wishing to separate Ireland
from England, or of wishing to connect it with any other State.
Such s charge was a most unqualified and shameless libel on the
people of Ireland.
Colonel TRENCH denied that he had any intention of libel-
ling the mass of the Irish people. He lamented their igno-
rance and poverty, but the former education might correct, and
the latter would, he hoped, be relieved by the care of the
landlords.

Sir C. BURRELL spoke of the danger of granting the
clams of the Catholics, and read a letter which he had received
skewing the manner in which theydeclined Availing themselves
in some instances of the advantages-offered, by the national
schools.

i:t;riiIIIILTON expressed a wish to know what were the
particular rules of those schools which the Catholics had refused
to attend ?

Sir C. BURRELL understood they did not at all interfere
with the religious opinions of the Catholics.
Mr. it RO WNW %V said, he had not abandoned his former
design. Ii the House would permit, he would substitute:for
the motion That the petition should be printed, one for referring
it to the Committee up stairs.
The SPEAKER pointed out to the Hon. Gentleman, that in
point of form there was some difficulty in the way of pursuing
that course.—The petition was ordered to be printed.
Mr. BROWNLONT then gave notice that he would to-mor-
row move to refer the petition to the Committee now sitting.

ments proposed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer were
agreed to.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER also proposed
the sum each individual might place in these banks should not
exceed 400/. instead of 2001.

Sir M. W. RIDLEY and Mr. Hu ME objected to 4001. as too
large a sum.

'`he CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER finally with-
drew the amendment.

Several new Clauses having been added, the Report was
ordered to be received to-morrow.
BANKRUPT LAWS.

On the third reading of the Bankrupt Laws Amendment Bill,
Ur. LOCKHART brought up a clause to empower Com-
missioners to report to the Chancellor, if any gross fraud ap-
peared on the part of one bankrupt, in order that his Lordship
might thereupon disallow'his certificate.
The Bill was read a third time, and passed.
The third reading of the Hides and Skins Bill was opposed
by General GASCOTNE.
General FERGUSON and Mr. BRIGHT opposed it.
31r. LUSH INGTON supported the Bill.
The House divided on the question—
Ayes - - - . 34
Noes - - - - 1
Majority - :.: -- - - - - _ —33

The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at HALF-PAST Two o'CLocx.