The Sun.
London, England, 1823-07-10 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The House sat by Commission, and the SPEAKEn having
been summoned to the House of Peers, on his return informett
the House thut the Royal Assent had been given to certain Bills
(for which see Report in the Lords).
Mr. C. °Aix cuT presented it petition from Hadleigh,
against the Duty to Coals carried Coastwise.
The Cork Genoa' Sessions Bill was read. a third time, and
passed.
(in the motion of Mr. W. HORTON, the House went into
a Committee, pre Arum, on the Newfoundland Acts, with the
view of bringing in a Bill to modify those Acts.--To be printed,
and stand over to next Sessions.

The House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be re-
ceived tomorrow.

The East India Mutiny Bill was re-committed.—Report to
be received tomorrow.

The Irish haw Expenees Bill *as reported, and ordered to
be read a.third time to-mnrrow.
The St. Peteraburgh Marriage. Bill was committed, the Re-
port received, and the Bill read a third time and pared.
The Irish Linen Bill was read a third time and passed.
Al !MUNK PErNITENTIA

Mr. PEE!, said, that. in ...rmientience of the sickness which
had prevailed in the Penitentiary, it W 0,4111 t..
fer upon the government of the Institution the power of a
temporary removal of the sick prisoners to places where their
recovery was likely to be facilitated. lie hoped that under the
circumatOnces the House, even at this late period of the Sea.
w 4; ,fki. tit &MO* i 2 tO bring In a Bill for con.
faring a power of removal similar to that whieb was possessed
with respect to. persons confined in the Hulks. He then movedfor leave to bring in a Bill to authorize the temporary removal
of convicts in the General Penitentiary.
Mr. M. A. TAY LOH expressed los anurobation of the mo-
tion, as in al) cases of illness change of iffewas advistd.
denied there was any ground for the ordinary prejudice that
the Penitentiary was unwholesome, on account of its vicinity
to the river, for it was an historical fact that in times when the
plague prevailed, those persons who lived near the river
escmped the infection.
31r. 1101,FORD agreed that the situation was by no means
unhealthy, and that the sickness was not connected with the

local circomstances of the prison.
After a few wads front 'Mr. W. B:tt t Tit and Mr. PEEL, the
motion was agreed to.
The .Marriage Act Amendment 13111 was reported, and or.
tiered Lob,' read a third time to.morrow,

7tr. 1111HA11 presented a petition from Operson named.
Walter Plunkett, a coal-factor, in Dublin, complaining of va,
rious hardships imposed upon him in fulfilling contracts for
supplying the Irish Government with coals.
Mr. °MILBURN stated, that he was not prepared. to go
into the consideration of the statements made in the petition ;
but he could assert that the claims of the petitioner had been
rejected by several snecessive Governments for a series of years.
Ordered to lie on the table.
BEER RETAIL

Mr. BROUCHIAM moved that the Order of the Day for
the House going into &Committee on the Beer Retail Mil be
read, for the purpose of postponing it. He stated that front
the opposition winch was mriv given to the measure by those
who were interested in maintaining the unjust and illegal mo-
nopoly of ;he Brewers, while the landed interest, whom the Hill
was calculated to benefit,' withheld their support, there was no
chance Of carrying the Bill in the present Session. lie also
observed, that he had met with similar opposition with rt,gard
to his pill for the Education of the Nor, trout parties to whose
advanthge it was intended to operate.
Mr. WESTERN observed that the mrasure most likely
.to
afford relief to the landed interest, would be the reduction of
the onerous tax on malt ; and gave autice that he Would at a
future day, inure for a reduction of the .tualt tax, to bring it
back to the amount which it was before the war. He ex-
pressed his regret that the Bill had been abondonet4and thought
it would have posited.
After a few words from Mr. Alderman Woon, the Order
Was discharged.
QUALIFICATION OF JURORS.
Mr. WESTERN moved that the Order of the Day for the
fUrther consideration of the Report on the Qualification of
.1 tides 11111 be read, for the purpose of postponing it. Ile stated
that he took this step at the suggestion of Ministers, whom he
requested at the same time to take into consideratiuu some met.
sure for the more extensive and frequent delivery of gaols, by
additional Assizes.

Mr. PEEL stated that he made a request of the Honourable
Member to postpone the Bill, not because he felt a decided ob-
jection to its principle, but because so imPorta4 a measure re-
quired more deliberate consideration. He agreed with the
'Honourable Member that a more frequent deliverance of /mobs
was, as a principle, a good one, but there were difficulties in;
the way of the, details of such a measure which he hut) not
been able to obviate. lie thought there might be an addition
to the number of JudgeS, as he 141 W no charm in the number
of Judges unless its antiquity. lie believed sixteen would bo-
a more efficient number than twelve. lie allowed that great
advantage had been derived to the ptiblle from the appoint.
meat of a third Assize upon the linmo.Cireuit, he (1(411444
that, an additional Assize could be carried into aka on the
other Circuits, at least while the number of Judges remairtet4
the same.
Mr. 31. A. TAY 10.1 t thought that a third assize would be
inconVenit tn.
ogro3trii
rtichiteat that if
o rrod:ti:attssioerlitzlyte
toux‘fvtialietsoutibivroe.
resolved on, it would be necessary to make some provision for
om
the reception of the Judges. ,
the
that he had himself pplied to the Bishois
Mr. M. A.
Judges as titsutal.if a new assize were adopted i' and, to hitt
astomslituent„.,the Right Rev. Prelate replied, that he Winad
not take theM laugh.)
BitOtrall AM assured his lion. Filend that the
shop of Durham would be as good as his word, for he knew of

. toe, 4n which,w though he took the .Tudges in, Ile made no
other preparation for their reception within his jurisdiction.
The Order-was then discharged.
Mr. BA:ft MO presented a-Petition from Mr. Joseph AI&
lar, complaining-of-the conduct of Government in withholding
from Wain fair remuneration for his services while the British
Army was in Egypt. We were prevented, by the low tone a
voce in.which the Hon. Member spoke, from collecting dis.,
tinetly the nature .of those services. He proceeded to observe,
.that,Sir Sidney Smith, Lord Hutchinson, and others, had given,
the Petitioner the most satisfactory certificates, notWitlistand-
log which the Government, after along delay, contented them-
selves with making him a grant °HOW., though they gave
SI,OOOI. to a gentleman of the name of Baldwin. This seas the
, more extraordinary, as Lord Hutchinson distinctly stated that
-the Petitioner was the person who had rendered the greatest
- services.

Mr. CII UTCHINSON bore testimonyao -the servicee of
;the Petitioner.
The Petition was then ordered to be laid on the table.
Mr. C. MITCHEISON. presented a Petition from certain
-Inhabitants of the Counties of Middlesen anti Surtsey. praying
that the House would takelnto its cousideratioe the distressed
state of the labouring Poor of Ireland, and place them in the
same condition with the Poor of this country by the introduc.
,tion of• Poor Lava.
Mt% DENISON thought that • the people of Surrey had sof-
fered too much from the Poor Laws themseleeS to recommend
their adoption in another country. Ile was sure that it Was
. far from being the generet wish of that county.
Colonel DAVIES wished to know whether it As intended
to extend to the Isle of Man arty, of the reforms whieltehad
taken place in other parts of the Ismpire He yarti-
,ttlarly to the office of Attorney-General tbr that place.
Air. HSU. RTES said, that it was the intention to adept eco.
tome., but denied that the office of A ttliravy..leiril was a
- tinecure in tha: island.
Alter tykes words from lilds Pen ie. Mr..:1300 titan, and
two, the conversit an dropped.
FOREIGN' POLICY.
• Colonel PALMER, on thing to make his promised motion,
began with stating that the motive which had urged him to ad-
}trees the /louse, was a conviction of the danger of the country,
arising out of the conduct of the Government with respect to
stspain, and the language of the late Address to hit Majesty
• upon the subject. lie might naturally be asked, considering
the protracted debate upon abet question, the 'reason of his not
having stated his opinion at the time; and confessed that his
~reluctance to obtrude himself upon the attention of the House,
joined to the expectation that the same opinion would have been
felt and expressed by others more worthy their ettentiorf, bad
prevented him In the early stage of that discussion, but that he
_had repeatedly endeavoured to address the House upon the last
night of the debate. Having then failed in such endeavour, and
. the question bring equally, if not moreimportant to the'coun.
try at the present moment, he would take the liberty of stating
the different view which he had taken of it, front that of every
I-ton.:Member who had hitherto spoken wenn the subject. it
"peered to him that truth and sincerity were as necessary to
the honour and interests of a nation as of an individual ; and
upon this ground he contended that the late Address should
have openly expressed the indignation of the Home at time con-
duct of France and the Allied Powers; because, by not ex-
pressing it, the nation was exposed to the elnuete of not feeling,
or not tiring to avow it. He also contended that the Address
s,houhl as openly have stated that inability of the country to
tender Spain assistance, the only reason and excuse for with-
holding it,' instead of motives unworthy of her character and
iyitirious to her interests, inasmuch its she had thereby depriv
tat herself of all claim to that gratitude and ettachment on the
part of Spain which a more generous conduct would have in.
spired, and whose independence, at all times essential to Eng-
land, was at the present moment of vital importance to her
interests, whilst on the other hand she bad aotallY failed in
that object which the cold and timid policy of the Address was
in:ended to answer ; for at the same moment, whilst as a nation
ttos liouse had declined that expression of its feelings which
,• honour, truth, anti justice, called for, yet as individuals npon
eider, they had spoken in terms much •more calculated to
provoke the consequences which the language of the Address
had deprecated, than the dignified censure which it ought to
hn-re contained ; and lastly, whit 4t to conceal the real motives
of neutrality they had avowed principles repugnant to every
sgettetous feeling, and only calculated to confirm that unjust
tropreation of Xngland, which the crooked policy of her (io-
vsrnuient
had long stamped in the minds of Europe, it stood
be: too plain upon the face of the whole transaction, that the
conviction of her weakness alone, and the utter contempt of
her tneane of resenting it, hail encouraged France and the
Allies to dare to act as they had done. h e must admit, that
from this feeling of necessity alone, it was almost the unani-
mous Opinion of the lionse and country that imam: should be
niairite.thed; but did they not equally feel the danger, nay, the
certainty of eventual war ; and nut its England ()light to con-
duct it, by her navy alone, but wherein, 'as Ministers had d
m e-
cla" she would have to bear the whole burtheri, and incur
again the same enormous, wasteful, anti unnecessary expendi.
rare as in the former in tat,,,— `ern to prokant
tho dietresses of the landed and
Atter interests, he could not but deplore the infatuation of the
sareendholders in supposing, that n rise in prices, or any thing but
a reduction of taxation, could possibly relieve !hon. Ile was
sensible of the importance of their intereetta end that es
she heart wee to the body, so was the agrictitture to time country,
its vital principle, and the source from whence all its prosperity
flu ; but as the heart was equally dependent upon the body,
so was agriculture dependent uponeite other interests of the
country, and could n t be eupported at their expense. ' Ile rer,
Membered the sprri not the Chancellor of the Exchequer to
Cie Country (lentllc In the last Session, who told them they
I'ost not despair, because they could not here every thing al.
ways as they wished, • but take their turn of good and evil with
t caber Intereets (if the nation ; that, at the rime manufactures'
Were at their lowest ebb, agriculture was in the full tide of
prosperity—and now, Mace agriculeure had stink, manu-
facture!' had risen; RR if, like the buckets of a well, they
ratan let one down to bring the other up. The comparison,
however, was unfortunately too just—for agriculture could not
paseibly be raised by high prices without sinking the menu-
lectures ; and, unless both could be supported, he feared both
%amid soon sink together. Looking, thens to these distresses,
to the opinions and feelings of the people upon the subject, to
unanswered and unanswerable arguments of the numerous
Petitionsfar Reform, carried by acclamation in the Counties
which presented them, and last, to .the enormous and
minished hurthen of the public debt, now in the eighth
yleir of peeees whet would be the titillation of the country
-,alien called upon to renew the content, afar to enter again
Siete- the oinnus expenditure which Ministers had warned them
to expect'? And yet, to this appalling but true picture of dis-
tress,
their only answer, was, ,that I cing true, it was the best
ftegument for --peace.; t 4 for if (pie, the Secretary for Foreign
elAitir)t) Was the situation of the country, and yet it must
r'i,i4roig'ar..soon Or late in God's name; let it he late, and tints
the Ministers, already duped :•enti insulted, etaid to be kicked ,
leto. it, whilst frt their Addrean they talked of defendlins die
Loam of the lhawn, and the righti and interests of' the
Teople. But the House had been told, as another argument
4ar peace, that the interference of England would injure
erpeso, by making-the war popular in • France; and it was to
thlealie:r strongest and hitherto unenewered argnment be beg-
ged the attention of the House, because, upon it bung the
whole question of the true policy of England at the present
orieis, and which every consideration for the honour,' security,
and best interests should lead her to adapt. Fig how came it,
that the French nation, se indignant et the conduct 'of its Go-
vernment, that Ministers, in their /ate spe ?dies, had anticipated
the most fatal coottequencea from what they had termed this
act of' mednette in the Bourbons, should notwithstanding turn
rpund, and join their Goverment against Spain, if England
interfered in her behalf? -What, he would ask, was the rea-
son of this apparent inconsistency, but simply because such
interference would b.! the act at a Government, composted
of nearly the same individuals, professing the same min-
, clples and treading the name steps as that Government
Vphlch Wade war against the liberties of France at the cane.
tnencement of her levalution, and co mJnued to be her con.
itotit' and inveterate enemy from that moment until tha
estaltlishinent of the itimphon dynasty'? Ilut if, instead of
wit Government, a oOveraineatjairly reproioating the people
of England, would declare war to-morrow, not against but
for the lilit.tii('ll of France, which, whit her own, were now
endangerad by the hose attack of one, or (upon the principle
that thos: who permitted an injury were parties to the act)
both their Governments upon the liberties of Spain ; such de.
daration would in an instant rescue England from the burnt.
diegrace, and danger she stood in, mid restore her to,
•-
tat proud footing amongst the nations of Enrope, which she
once held as the defender of their liberties ; for England, by'
(awl defending the liberties of Prance conjointly withlier own,
would at once win the hearts of that nation, which, with her-
Self, were unquestionably the greatest, most powerful, and en.
aigleened nations of Europ,e ; and betwixt when the reel
Honour anti intereets of each would beet be consulted by their
Muteal friendship; although the policy of their Governmente
ed hitherto prevented it, by estettsng elid keeping alive those
jealousies and antipathies which however natural and ie.
thtctive in the brute creation, were most unnetural, ahsurd,
itrid barbarous betwixt Christian States; and above all, these
nations, who seemed by nature formed to cherish and pro.
tc;Ct each Other—the one invincible upon that element, to
yrhiCtn shot owed all her real greatness, whilst the other was
tepidity powerful on her side; and .both of whom, combined,
'night defend not only themsolvee, but the whole world against
tie tyrants who oppressed it. It was an old saying, when rogues
fell out, honest men came by their due; and thus out of thedie.
Fortes betwixt their Governments, it was to be hoped hen eople
.
rouhl 4t chtaio Omit As to Ow Govern 3,

• though bCd•swas the West, 'the • contlnetrof the French Ministerswas infinitely more excusable than ems own; for it was but
just to molder the difficulties of their situation, in having to
support a•Csown not only forced. upon the nation, but which,
from other unfortunate causes, required te more than constitu-
tional three to protect; and this situation, fon'it not of their own
' seeking, but to which they tied been fbrcerlieltk. inhere,- and
above all, tine Ministers of England: For li' ;-,q e, Power* as:
sembled at: Ole Conatets, With . L ogle tul at their. a -
.I, fluted Upon
opposite principles tW • those adopted, and wit had brought
Europe to it preient State, he firmly believed that France
at this moment would be enjoying the inn benefit of her Char-
ter under the mild sway of the present Sovereign. -But-it was
too late to regret the,patit, and- they had only to consider the
best to he dime at' present. He would then ask if any thing
could be so Aid vantageous to themselves and the rest of
Europe, as ' that France and England Should join hand in
band to .protect the liberties of Spain ? and if. that...was ad-
mitted, he would ask again, what should prevent it ?:-Llbiin
ordinary cases', wherein two partieS inthiettced by the same
Motives, and looking to the same' Object, Were` prevented
from acting in concert .by any nitenntlerstending, it wits only
to remove such misunderstand.ng and bring them together;
and was there ever ea eriorinuA .urt.-opportmulty. of bringing
France and England. together es the preseno when Eng-
land, by this bold, .dechave, and generous Step, would at once
root out from the Inetoro of ,I.'rtinee 'every r•teetl tif that hatred -1
•,anti jealousy which Mile had so Rung borne against this country,
a, the cause of all the disaster, defeat, and humiliation she.
had suffered', and above all that:indignity, which Yrenee never
could forgive, until. Engiend had acknowledged her error, and
expressed her regret .t'or the part she hatilaken in the transac-
tion, not by the SpeeelieS of individitals in that Ilinote, • but by
her conduct :is a nation--therestormion of the linitrhons. in
saying this, he disclaimed all hostility to that ttnhappy
,family ;
and in juSticeetosthepi' must defend a continet which necessity
alone had dictated, for the' ultra faction in France, the Holy
Alliance, and ' above all, the Ministers of England, had com-
pelled them to the steps they had taken. A Noble Lord, in his
excellent speech on a former night, had said, that trims a late
• residence in France he had the best reasons for believing, that
if England lied said " Na,'' France would not have dared to
attack Spain ; bid the Notate Lord might have gone further,
and told the ot*, that if England 'had acted as became her,
and 'declared in favour of Spam,' the head Of the French Go.
vernment, who was universally known to be a Liberal in his
principles, and had no object so dear to his heart,• as the liber-
ties anti happiness of, his people ; would at once have thrown
himself and people into the arms of England, and have called
those Ministers to his Councils, Siho, in conjunction with
England, might have set the Despot?' of- Europe at defiance.
The folly and madness, not of the Bourbons, but of the Eng-
lish Ministers, bad prevented this, whilst the steps they had
taken to avoid war, - were the most likely to lead to it ; for
their only hope was, that France, by ruining herself in
Spain, might be unable to annoy this country ; but even if
it should be so, 'could any thing be more detestable than the
policy of looking to the security of England in the misery of
Vranee? His own feelings were quite the reverse, for, instead
Of reducing France, now •in. so flonriehing. a state, to the
wretchedcondition of England, he woulti raise England to a
level with France, and all the world if possible to the level of
both. This ,•watt the tftie'''poliey which humanity and the brst
interests of England (Whited, and this was the moment for the
Crown to exercise that prerogative which the Constitution had
given it for the protection of ' itself And the people to save both
from the destruction which threat-21104i then], for it was nut in the
wretched hirers they had discussed, but in the speeches of the
French Ministers:and the eorrupentejorities which hatl supported
them, that the realelanger of England was to be seen. No One
could look to their intentions openly avowed, the progress
made in their execution, the pledges of the Allied Powers to .
support France, and their insolent threats against Spain on -mie
side, and on the olher to the noble defianee which Spain had
hurled at her invaders, as well as the glorious straggle which •
liberty was making against despotism in other quarters, with.
out seeing that the present contest admitted of ne compromise,
bet that one or other party met inevitably perish. It was
therefore to save thole from becoming victims, -who were only
the instruments of these lase plots against the liberties of-men-
kind ; the acts not of themeelves, but of the weak or wicked
Ministers who surrounded them; and to protect Crowns no well
as people, lie appealed to the Members of that !louse, the Re-
presentative's of the only nation which through the blessings of
her Constitution, was capable of the effort to declare in its cols
lective wisdom those sentiments which as individuals hail lately
done theneso 'much honour ; rind ne u nation to raise that
mighty voice in freedom's cause, which might at once -des*
the contest,'onit spare those sactitices by which the cause must
otherwise be obtained ; for that it must ultimately triumph- no
mantic common sense, whose judgment was not bitntled by his
prejudice, could entertain a doubt of. It wits therefore not
only for themselves, hut for those much dearer, and upon
whom the consequences of the present destructive system must
Inevitably.fall ; Mr their *egos, and in the name of that hu-
inanity which in a recent ease involved in delvers, doubts and
difficulties on all eides, would. in Its zeal have Come down every
obstacle, destroying even tiliDie it meant to save, but for the
interference of the tieverninent, and that eloquence which,
when exerted in the cause of reason, justice, and ottruth,
carried conviction with it; he implored them tlien, in this in-
stance, to turn their eyes at home., und befriend the cause of
ftiltli,rtosr I 14, in • I.l*oror-, 1a.., ~.kt.... Tr h LA% ir••••,1,,0 Ili,
danger, doubt, Mir difficulty, • lint vilietein Illtlt• At ill) op:.
pariah in the 'mime Of religion, morality, and social order,
had only to follow that plain precept, the essence of them all--
simply to do by others as themselves.; JilabY this preci.pt he
called upon that IlOnse, the Representatives of the Nation
(or, at least, who ought to represent it), to do by the people
as themselves ; and to defend in their own honour and in-
teeests, the honour and interests of their emintry.. Nor was
it the interests and liberties of England only, but of' all
other nations, and ,with which the Ministers had at inst dis.
Covered her usia to beldentified ; this great and glorious
cause, 'the cause of liberty throughout the world, ' was in
the hands of England, and if her Representatives would hint
defend it, the victory was certain. The 'Honourable Mon-
her ctinld say much more, and state-how and by svimin such
vietory swam to be obtained; for as to the present Ministers,
whatever • their real feelings might • be (and' he cenfessed
he was Unable to understand them, if they understood them-
selves), -as the advocates and sworn defenders of that system
which had brought the country to its present .State,- and
which in spite of all its statirin they still gloried in, and
still at their public meetings. pledged themselves to defend to
their latest breath : in jiistice to their own consistency, and
the feelings of the people, come what might, by their own syS-
UM they were bound to.stand or fall. Nor was it a.mere change
of Minnitcre could Have the country, but a change of Ministers,
combined with a change of measures which 'might enable them
to apply the resources of the country, and the energies of the
people to the relief of' their own burthens, without injory to the
Constitution or injustice to the public creditor; for whilst he
agreed 'entirely with his Noble Friend, who had:stated it was
the debt, the cursed debt, which weighed them down, asiong
as the country had the means of pesirg it, lie considered the
property of the public' creditor to be equally littered with tint of
every other description. lint who, he would ask, in the pre-
sent state of things, were the real friends of the -public cre-
ditor? Those who would adopt every possible retrenchment
which the safety of the Constitution and real interests of the
country would admit of, or the Ministers whose measures
must inevitably lead to those consequences, which, looking
to the French Revolution arising out of the same cause,
nothing but a change of system could possibly prevsot ...ets
to retrenchment, end all which the Ministers had been driven
to, Session anti Session, by the exertions of their oppon-
ents, particularly the Honourable Member for Absnleen,
Whose character mad services no one could estimate snore highly
than himself, the only real advantage, the public had dent:Ll
:froth them; had been to open their eyes to the imposeihility of
any real retrenchment under. the present system, for all the
savings gained by it were more than counterbalanced by ex-
' posuree, which only increased the resentment of the pantile, the
difficulties of the Ministers, and the necessity of all their power,
'patronege, and means of corruption to support their measures.
The Hour. Member concluded with stating, that having availed
-himself of the Opportunity 'to express his feelings on this im-
portant subject, he had no wish to take the Raise of the House
upon the motion with which he should conclude, which was,
faa topics of the instructions risen to Sir Williant A'Court
-for the direction of his conduct, in case any changes should lie'
made by the Cortes, relative to the internal tlovernment of
Spain, or of such Extracts as could be efforded.; without detri-
ruedt to the Public Service.

•
Mr. HUME seconded the motion, which was negatived with.
out a division.
CHIEF BARON fralt.l.l)V.
The Order of the Day was road for resuoiing ih debate upor
ate relative to the Conduct of the I :hief Baron.

The SPEAKER h:tvingVeaci '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
ment thereon moved last night,
Mr. S. It It; ?Am ieti the resolution alto] retl i cr.
Mr. SCAItI4I, T thought the proceedings were in such a
state that the liousexould not only not come to a vote of censure
against the Chief Ramo, but that they could take no further
steps in the business.. lie thereforerecommended its postpone.
ment alt3geeier..
The SPEAKER then said, the original motion was That
it is stated in the filth Report of the -00111111iNsiiniers that it is
not their province to discuss' how fur, or within what 'Arnim, tits
Judges of the. clperint courts of law are uuthorixed to establish
new or increased tees fir th,ir own services ;* but that it will
be seen, from the table subjoined (to their Report), that a ills.
cretion of this nature has, in fact, been exercised to a considera..
ble extent, at Some period or periods, within the la.t lOU years;
and that, during the time of the present Chief JOstice of the
cvnmop y3ni,-$11:11 an 'et mist. of judicial authority appe4rs to

I'have occurred in three 'instances;"; since which an amend-
ment had been moved,- to leave out the words*" And that,
during' the time of the present Chief Justice of the Common
Pleas,-such an exercise of judicial authority appears to have oc-
curred in three instances:" the question, therefore, he had to,
put was, ", That the words proposed to be left out stand part'
of the question ;" which wag carried -in the negative,; conse-
quently the amendment was agreed to. • -•
' 31r. said, that certainly the mode proposed by his
Learned Friend (Mr. ScaLlett) was the mist convenient anti'
expeditious way- of getting rid of the question altogether; And
he would leave it to those who advised sittlfitcourse. who were
willing; that Judges should exercise the power which was cen.
slued by the Commissioners in their report, to take the whole
responsibility of the proceeding on themselves. He should
move:lts nn amendment to the 'Resolution,- <;-*, but that it is not
stated in the aforesaidlnh Report, that those fees were taken
for the Judge's own emolument." • ' -
Mr. SCAR LErr opposed the amen din on-, as containing a
sting which the circumstances of the case did not justify.
The SOLI CI TOR -OE NERA Largtied that the amendment
was not in 'unison with the report. , ' •
Mr. S. RICK contended that it was. • _ _ . .

Mr. It. S3I ITH could neither approve of the original motion
tu►r of the amendment. The former contained a fallacious
apology fox the Chief Baron, the latter implied a censure. L-e-
- Both the one and the other was a departure from the express
• 'understanding of the House, which was, that no opinion should
•he expressed on the case at present. ie felt itiMself incom-
petent to decide on the question either one way or the other at
this time. lie could not, on looking at the report, and at the
Chief Baron's defence, declare hint to be innocents but it was
inipossiMe for him to pronounce an opinion on the subject on
almost the last day of the Session, and without sufficient infor-
Minion. The case ought to rest until the ensuing SeSsion.
Capt. O'OIIADY defended the conduct of the Chief Baron,
who, he contended, had made out a good case, both with re.
krenee to law and usage. lie might, undoubtedly, have been
Mistaken in his view of the subject ; but it eild not theretbre
follow that he was culpable and corrupt. • lie (Capt. Olirsuly)
was most anxious that the decision of the !louse should be giecn
in the present Session.
Mr. PEE!, could see no benefit that was likely to accrue from
postponing the question to another session. If it were put off
fur six months, would they, in 1112.1, (when their recollection of
the facts would he weakened, and when they would not be
able to command a more numerous attendance of members
than at present), be in a better situation for deciding than they
• were at present If this practice of regulating fees were en
improper one, it would be better he thought, to bring in a Bill
fbr its abolition, rather titan harrass and Condemn an individual
by keeping a series of criminatory resolutions suspended over
his head. •
Sir 11. P:111 NELL said, as it was distinctly understood that
the 'investigation was to he renewed in the next session, he had
• taken no part in it. • For the same reason, lie would not support
the present resolution. Ile should oppose any thing that
looked like La decision on the charges ; and he would refrain '
from offering an opinion on them.
Lord.A. HAMILTON understood that no resolution but of
• facts was, to he placed on their journals; and that eitrunietance
kept many Members away who would otherwise have been pre.
I sent. It was, he admitted, must irksome, that a Judge should '
have charges hanging over him, while he was exercising his ju.
&cid functions. lint a•hose 'fault was that ? The fault of
the licritlinium opposite. The delay came entirely front the
other side of the !louse. Ile would ask those (lentlenien who
wished to set the question at rest now, whether a decision, atiOpt-
ed 'at such a period Of the Session, and in such a !louse, etituld
carry any weight with it ?
Mr. C. lIUTCIIINSON said, he had all edong declared, that
he was ready to go • on with this inquiry, provided the House
wonld come to the, plain proposition of acquittal or condemn-
Lion. 11is. lion. Friend (Mr. S. nice) had,
poho:t:euvlee,ri,t::eurisz,le;.t
course. which, appwed to him. o be most unfair to the Irish
public and to the. Chief I won. lie had int
until he caused to be entered on the ,journal:: a series of what he
vaned resolutions. of fact. but which contaitteil matter of crimi.
nation. lie was oropinion,tha.t: the question should .he put an
end to now, because ite did riot believe his lion. Friend het/ any
intention of bringing: it tbrwarl next Session. If he meant to.
stitute any altetior proceeding, lee him prase those tesolutions,
which did not salve:ice his purposeottejot. :Etc believed the (Add
Baron to be innocent..• It the question were to he considered,
it would be .found 101 l of difileolty ; and in the end he matt
sure they wouh) have to acquit the -Chief Baron altogether. At
all events, if they discovered an error of judgment in his con.
duet, he was convinced they would acquit him of corrupt mu.
Oyes, He could not therefOre consent. tiott those resolutions,
which were of a eriminatory character, should be suWered to
bans* over the head or thecluidltaron..
, „Air, WYNN thought it would tic better•to pass the two Re-
solutions now before them in the first place ; and afterwards to
proeced to the third.
The lino. Resolution, after is few words from Mr. CAN.
/No, was then agreed. to without opposition.
• Mr. scAn.LETT then roue, and observed that after a mas
tare consideration
_of the subject fictive the•llouse, he had conic
to that conclusion that •he bed prepared certain Resointions
which he had intended to move by way of amendment on the
original liesolutions. After what had pissed, however, he
would content, tumor wite.u„eum. one of them only, name.
ly, " Thai• this I louse dies not think it necessary, under all the ,
vreunistanees that' have been stated, to adopt any proceeding
regrtrdhi to the condneeof the Chief Baron of Ireland."

Mr. WYNN. felt
.hiniself com.pelled to oppose this llcsolo-
tiotl of his Ilon and Learned. end. The question here wax,
able fees, asatiuting that drat could he, proved, ought to be
continued in the hlt h aituatic►n which he `occupied in the judi-
eial administration of his country ? Now when such a question
was to he deetoled, it was surely imperative
Tinlien
tliciltletritcy of ;
toin
stituto .strict and itimittliate inquiry..
Jitdg,:. Bk.?, the chast:ty of a Woman, or the courage of :t
wiry a matter of that delirate nature that it ought to be above
all question or suspicion ; and •t!::s. being the ease,- it made no
ttilrevelleo to the importance of the necessity of the inquiry,
whether the excess in the fees charged by the Chief Baron was
confined to so'many pence or to many pounds. The Right
Gentientan,then adverted to the reports of the Commis-
sioners of Inquiry, and animadverted on the conduct therein
imputed to the Chief Baron, to which charges that J Aro tad
not hitherto off;:rtd such a defence as ought to preclude „die
House from tclopting some ulterior proceeding.
Mr. A itlt.l.l:l:in BRIDGES was decidedly for immediate in-
vestigation. Ile thought further delay in every respectinex-
• . •
Peedit'etplitt,,t;llll:i..ll6l:ll'.."r.said, that • the fact .was, that the .Cluet
Baron's defence, as contained in his second letter, was founded
on mattsts eentainetl'in a report which had not been publislictl
when his first letter was written. • it would be a little too hard
ctir with the lion. and Learn en Mem.
IbiFtit,ri:iftilnitirmatter of imputation against
the Chief Baron t}itit he the hurry or his first letter,
• that a decree which was in
fact :►n e. plification. It was not, therefore, a new defence
which was .contaitied in second letter but a defence on new
the Report made subsequently to his
former let^r.
Mr. IS'N'NN shortly explained.
tit:ME (as we understood) expressed his unwillingness,
after the letters °fete Chief Baron, to support the original reso-
lutions, *lll.l Ile had artiest telt inclined to advocate. •

:,VI
Mr' 4"1II:R ELI. was of opinion that the House should
came to some conclUsion this session on the subject before them ;
and, looking to the painful and disastrous situation in which
further dclay limist, leavc the Chief Baron, and seeing no case
made out, he woithl sppport the amendment proposed by his
lion. Friend (31r. Simko.)
Mr. It. MARTIN defended the Chief Baron, and expressed
his intention of supporting; the resolution of the lion. and
Leaned 111 ember for Peterborough.
Mr. 11. GURNEV proposed, as an amendment necessary to
lead that of the Member for Peterboroug'i, that the tlinise
lotions sliNAVlntti.tintaitted in these words*" That the receipt of
should agree to so much of the substance of the original Rest).
fees by the' J4dge, of (4,0t,,t4 of cni... Law and of Exche-
quer in Ireland liii been recently abolished by law."
This amendment was, after a few words from Mr. IL Saill.ll,
imMediately-adopted, *and the question was then put on the
amendment proposed by Dir. Sc "'LETT'
31r. 3'l. W11,1,1r11118 said he could by no means support the
amendthent or his Hon. and Learned Friend.
Mr. G 01.11,1111 ICI thought no case of er.tmlnalitY or cor-
ruption was Made out pednst the (Thief Baron, though his con-
itivtilieitizi.ight not have'a.en quite as well advised as could he
Mr.( !,
centlednilritgt6edwitllilcal
hewn chiefly
had',., fL) etc' t II iNttadkNieflifiNcitillimat orttelitenbtlirtoi uevtileitr‘iiiiitelii‘.tvilii:erl geistip 01°1 eunPmseri°L i 1 i t. y en having
instrumental to persuading the Iltinourable Mem-
ber tar Limerick to adopt resolutions of tact merely, and not
to embody any thing in them which was only matter ot
opinion. III: knew nothing of the Chief Baron ; nothing had
ewer occurred to induce Lieu to waste a thought Upon that great
personage. But his impr:ssion of the importance of the charge
and the nature
could be mad? the. grobtal don Addi'm to
of their progress. the could not concur in any vote tending tie
removal, or of Of the proof had been weakened at every seep
an ace..ipitioll by the Crown for his
his censure, nor could the [louse assent tunny resolution which
'
• Mr. C. II UTCII 1 NSO N concurred in the opinion of the
way of inmeaehinent.
Eight Hon. Secretary, that the Chief Baron mild not be in-
culpated by any thing Ni'hieli had Om under the observation
of the Committee..
Mr. S. RICE felt satis6ed that, however the House tbight

decide, the labours'of the Comniitte would not be hist is he
public.
A 4ivision took Vince—
For the Resolution - - -
Against it - -
Majority -
The'Lancoidi County Court," f 1& was read a third thee.
' The House resolved liSelf into a mittee on the
NEW SOUTH- WALES */. :DICTION BILL.
Mr. PEEL proposed arfametiftl C se, the object of wh I
'was; that the confirmatiodt,of aiardOns anted to convicts by
the 14oYernor of New' South ks shoUld'be confined to that
cot!titry.
Sir JAMES MACKINTOSH opposed this clause and
cont-nded that the confirmation ought to be as full as possibl:..
After a conversation between Mr. Wilmot; Mr. Forbes,
Bright and Mr.- 11. Gurney, the clause was agreed to.
The house then resinned,'“ful the Report was ordered to be
received to-morrow (this day.)
The other Orders of the I)ay were then disposed of, and the
L House adjourned at lIAF T r-rAsoitEE O'CLOCK.

A LIST OF THE MINORITY
Who voted against .411 r, Scarlett!s Resolution, that under all

the circumstances stated in the preceding Resolutions, it
vas not expedient to proceed further in the case of Chief
Huron O'Grady. . .
lirottgl unit, Henry Lamb, Hon. G. NVigram, W.
Millie Colonel Money, W. T. It'illiams, J.
hlorland, Sir S.B.
Canning, II t. 1111.11. Palmer, C. F. TEt.t.Etts.
Forbes, C'. Parnell, Sir 11. Smith, H.
Gordon, H. Taylor, M. A. Mee, 'l'. S.
J. IX. NVynn, Ht. 11n. C.

. ~,;•,,f;,,,r,
~ .- fa
0 ti
0 t&V,...';';...,
'o'.. - rt.
~... ~.,.. ” %....-„4..1„,
fk
/11 4.,
(lik -441TN1 IV\-11.

31:1s1)NIC NOTICBS.,FOR NEXT NirEtK.'
4oadv, July rit, tosi)os: Nos. 40. 100, 143, 241,
:119, :129, 335.
CousTity. Nos. 131, 243, 320, 37134
433, 473, 517, 536, 546,
570. 576, 701!
Tuesday, 15, liosnox.' Nos. :13. 42, 2136.
&UUNTRY, Nov. 127, 151, 167, 170,
18-1, 1:49, 3135, 532, 544,

• - 551.
Weduesday, 10, Los nom. Nos. 36, 40,.92, 134,22474
274, 296,- 399. • -
Co 1.7 NT It V. Nos. 95, 105, 124, 12b,
146, 207, 229, 339, 342.
46.1, 4671, 480, 487, 329,
T,Ol, 678, 704, 711.
Thursday, - 17, Lostnos. Nos. 85, 128, 152, 388.
tuus Tit v. N. 48, 70, 113, 171, 214.
288..416,• 453, 406, 469,
511, 5111, 560, 561, 042,
079. -
rridny, - 18, Los:Dos. No. 4133.
CovN '1 It Y. Nos. :tit. 55, 193, 470, 550,
600, 640, 655, 709.
Saturtl:l, - 19, Lo Nitos. • • •
Cou 'II Y. Nos. 64, rei
4' •