The Sun.
London, England, 1847-01-21 00:00:00

Lord JOHN RUSSELL replied, that on Friday 111%11t
it was the intention of Government to ask the House tors
a resolution empowering the use of sugar d to
and distilleries ; and afterwards, if the Houisne barger.e,eilo
the resolution, to propose a Bill for carrying IL
_rti.
effect, which it was not intended to limit to nnYirver,
cular period. It would be perfectly competent, b°,.. ot.,
for the Hon. Member to propose a clause limitingt_nc
ration of the Bill. Perhaps it was worthy of constelereiat_iln:
whether it would not be advisable, in the first ins
aretj
to limit the Bill for a given time, and afterwards to 1`
it permanent.—(Hear, hear.) l'krGre
CAPTAIN WARNER'S LONG Lora
Sir C. NAPIER wished to ask the Noble
whether any any report had been made • tirli Ciir—the
Warner's long range, and if they had, whethertable
Noble Lord had any objection to lay it VIM the/
of the House.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL replied that there hia,sisqrity,
a report made, but before he could consent to
upon the table of the 11,,use, he must look over ,:
MILLB ANK PENITENTIARY.
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Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said it would be in the t.e hot
lection of the House, that towards the close of tti to
session of Parliament a Commission was apPninnor
inquire into the state of Millbank prison. The
titjoA
mission was nominated in consequence Of a rne
which he presented on the subject. He wished to
tl
whether Government had any objection to lay tiPeueeted
table of the House the report and evidence cone
with the inqui
EY ry. • ht
Sir G. GR replied, that within the last fortulgtoir
he
had received a report, signed by two of the witCra 2h
sioners, together with the evidence connectednot
and he should have no objection to accede to the fel
of the Hon. Member for Finsbury. •
THE ADDRESS. dar.
Mr. HOWARD brought up the report on the A
On the question that it be read, fee'
Mr. HUME rose and said he wished to moo bleb
observations upon the subject of the Address, and
he had not an opportunity of delivering 10 0 r-
1f ...bile
He had been . always opposed to the system
of noel
works, and he had proposed. that a large sum 4gm
ought to have been expended in the cultivation ;04
land, for which it should have been responsible. Ile 4soolo,
to call attention to the state of the labouring " 000
in England. Every labouring man was suffering
the calamity, and the patience with which the PO'
suffering in Scotland was beyond expressnreloll
hoped the present calamitous condition 01 00101 i
would not carry them away from affording aseifilljietetis •
another portion of the country similarlY of Iry "-
The recital of the sufferings of the people ,-,t the
land was perfectly harrowing, and showed they
condition of the country was worse the
010
other in Europe. The omission of !lege°
ject of national education from the Queens off
had caused the utmost surprise in the Vtotioll -
because the introduction of a system of eull tate'i
into this country, having for its object the insproedftiod:
not only the moral and physical, but the religious cat, Gov"..„
the people was generally anticipated, but he hoped s" ber,
hear from the Noble Lord that such a measure had 0 Sr,
postponed until the condition of Ireland had received
rer,,
tention which it demanded. He was satisfied, hefsdacs 44.
this, that if her Majesty's Government did not icz fest
better system of education in order to elevate ire f to
classes from their degraded position, and to teach it ;ail, .
bear their sufferings with humility, that they went°, t abet
this country were visited with a similar calamity !°31., tbP,
would become lawless. Then he did not Dee,e,,,
the Noble Lord and his colleagues intended to 57,4
in the free trade measures proposed and partially e31."-the Or; 4
by the late Government, as every step taken to reduen.„4 sw
ceasaries of the people had led to increased emploYol 7,40 r,
to increase the wealth'of the country•
They shoula ,
midway, but continue to make those. reforms to OM"
be
referred. He would only mention this because heA ',
that an alteration of the tenures of land in Seotlandir'beliarV
would be productive of the greatest benefits. Lin,- 00'4',
that there was many a man who was placedin the ri':-011Ve
of landed property, utterly unable either to work it 0 0 ;
He had hoped that although this subject was not 1:00,11eeed,,14,• '"
-
the Queen's Speech, that it would be more fully ecall, • beat
the the Government, and that some measure would °11,..-ip teF.
proposed which would have produced some convertni-0111-%
respect. He heard et the Noble Nlarquis, who
apd
confession that he was in possession of large estate*
his poverty was so great that he was utterly unable tn. O• il'
the labouring poor in his neighbourhood ; that wilslders.Ligief 1
confession, and he trusted that it would lead to a cee'.lopintw-
of the question of entail. For he believed if the/ .;
the conveyance of property they would set at liberty tur
e-opal
wealth of the country. A man in the possession _h.
• of P
from his inability to work out the estate, was eeri; Res.
either to use it or dispose of it. On the other hand of 0.41"
served, how many monied men came intothe poseessl°--buslt.
tate, andthe whole neighbourhood became immediate lose
the poor around it were employed. He had just hadtine4fortiloi
of talking with a gentleman, a land agent, who 14°;„-itels).,,
him that if the conveyance of landed property efts
was to be made as free as the transfer of persen,„ of a
he would assert that within ten years thew hn'-beiew"
present distress in that country would be entirely Oof CO"
With respect to the destruction of the independeseegs
riolr
cow, he did think that it was one of the most outrage° oeced •
Lions of the faith of nations, but last night be had ,Doer
tunity of making any remark on the subject. The ;tie& av"..ce
the Noble Lord quite unnerved him, and prevented
troubling the House. He was glad when he heard 10. _ oft,
so manfully and clearly his opinion. Last year, when Toriti
Hume) brought forward his doubts of the honesty tut:A bite'
of Austria, Russia, and Prussia, the Noble Lord
self, from correspondence which he then had in his ricki Din
that the occupation was only to be temporary. 4,l`a.c oder.
in another place also rung the same changes. He twt
provedwhat t the
r not
ot
yNt. t Noble bob]
ue.
dDt h abr. k
equallytllo -uh h iow
binding. They
lap• dr
do justice to the feelings neoptl;
if they did not designate that act of
the strongest language possible. I have heard nooamfctartrEeeittlYl ffc:lll4
to justify this act, except one or two Members in this INS ,
last night, and then he was much ashamed of thenrie
(Laughter.) One of those gentlemen, whom he was
_Oll7 ,
say, he did not see in his place, attempted to prove thso!
hil
violation of the treaty had taken place. In the coursefes't
arguments, he 'went to Westphalia and other places, role!
did not know where the devil he did not go to. tier ffn2" may
the world, but he did not arrive at Cracow.—(Loud 'aloo
He (Mr. Hume) did not see how his arguments were ato, the.
to that place at all. Seriously, he did think that it w_ettritl
grossest violation of honour and faith, when the isie, ef
yed
of Cracow was invaded. The English people had weend etbc
sacrifice to obtain that treaty. They gave up Jo* 4,„-,streo•
important places, and kept nothing but trash for the foe
The Emperor Paul had borrowed four millions of roonkoglish,
the Dutch for the purpose ot making war upon o°4l upea
and they were such fools as to take two millions ef
themselves, and to pay the interest as long as the allawso pit
maintained, and the treaty kept inviolate. Were theY.„istiell
of money as to continue to pay that after that gross vi-oosee
He (Mr. Hume) at any rate should move that the,Poskielf
be no longer continued. What was the object or of
treaties if they were to be broken et witbeet f
if they had not the courage to enforce„ body
It was, perhaps, of no great importance, that a sips" but it
men at Cracow should have lost their independen thsce:o 00. i
was for the principle which was here infringed see
tended. What security was there now for the Pe Om
Europe ; but violence of treaties were now nothiek,..eitle"
were all aware of the position of England from those ;ler the
He would not blame the Noble Lord who preside
Ability
Foreign Department, nor would he question his 'bet
meet any emergencies that might occur;
olloge 6
was an awkward thing for him and his A c for
nits re'
in the present situation. It was too ua"
country from year to year to be insulted by Ministers,o the,
ference to these treaties, as in the present instance, l,l„ets
were treated by those powers as if they were some Pe'n O't M;
instead of being that state which had secured solie Tbit,
powers the most valuable privileges they Posse,si„
were paying 100,00 A per annum trust money to leriuse
abe
hoped, when he brought the question before the 'OO her-
they would express themselves upon the subject..„ andthe Noble Lord would carry out what he had ealu'what b
opportunity would be afforded him of disapproving -I
been stated on the other side of the House. 1, cell°
Colonel SIBTHORP was of opinion that the Chance fee
fbe id
the Exchequer should have given some indication 0- atate.a
cial state of the country, and he considered that tow.nt
Ireland was induced by the policy of the late Goverell'ookce.
the present Government when they had preceded trhaet:," ;favor"
He had expected different results from the or
Bill referred to than had taken place. If Mr. Pitt vitsietit.: •
now, what would he think of such a Ministry as the Pr e: I
He would be ashamed of it. He: (Colonel SibtberP i
r e'
persuaded they had acted a most cowardly part in the
Cracow. • sPlepiti
Mr. P. SCROPE wished to offer a few words in he bd ll!te
tion of a point he had maintained last night, in which ~,site,
contradicted by the Right Hon. Gentians!' ,-ot,
(Mr. Labouchere). He (Mr. Scrope) bad state" Ir.,
Relief Committees had refused to give relief in te7v,ron
poor, except in the shape of wages under the Board of
Now he had in his possession documents which o°ll4 from
he was right. He had a copy of the instructions is° r
Dublin by the Board of Works, on the lit of Octobe
which confirmed this view. It instructed that ,abo° err
should be given to the poor except in payment of,
the purchase of provisions for sale at the cost pies' et,"th
Hon Gentleman here read an extract from the rriteinitio,
ferred to, in proof of the statement he had madeP
.A ',a
be said, in reply, that the instructions had been alter"- f °
report. He had, however, watched the proceedings:Blln
Board of Works carefully, and had not seen any acti`rt
ration. By resolutions agreed to by the re-P'--„,berr,'
Committee sitting in Dublin, on the 23d of Deee- tiw"
would appear there was no change, for one of the reseloa the,
called on the Board of Works to alter the instructions tool
head of relief, which they had issued. The next reoleo-orlte
the same committee also complained that the Board Of coo,
had not made advances as loans, to be repaid by 411"-accc°.
This was required in order to find additional workhouse thf
modation. lie thought this should have been done,
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greatest hardships had resulted from the poor not bnieg..:sgiont
find shelter in the workhouses. This was a grave I'ooo.
and the House should not pass it over without full d..,11, scf",
The Government, he was persuaded, bad not acted ”.11
cient energy, else the people of Ireland would not lleltegts
present condition. He thought that even in Ireland Toping I
very large amount of food, only the farmers were sttei. fpm
back to realise higher prices. He had received a le. reel
the West of Ireland, which stated this to be the fact 110 way to
to the supply of food. It further stated, that the oa.,Yorder
to
meet the evils of Ireland was to put on the screw, IL`
make the landowners of that country support the
ER Po"'o 0 aid
r of
The CHANCELLOR a the EXCHEQV - „oat
said, that no doubt, in the first instance, the arran/es the/
the Board of Works was rather defective, inasaic3 '
evil
had no certain information of the extent of ethe thst °
before them ; but the Honourable Member wag swerGeeerir ,
soon as such information was received, her Majesty e bout the
ment lost no time in establishing soup kitchens throld woos
distressed parts of the country, so that the ego:livid, feed'
who could not possibly labour might be supplied dell the
The Government would be enabled to give in ;„ate the •
amounts expended by them is endeavouring to luf!,,apers
pre;ailing distress ; but, unfortunately, he had net tlyenher,
with him now, as he did not anticipate that the 1-41 ho:. ;nastier&
for Stroud, would have opened up for
bY the
that night, especially as an early day was fi
for bring-
Noble Lord at the head of the Government when thst
ing the whole quession before the House.
day arrived, he would be enabled to
etrieearsanipythc
House that her Majesty's Government had not nbeog
means in their power to alleviate the presenstdlies to
nig_ht
Ireland.
Lord BERNARD had tried in the course of that WI!. -e
to catch the Speaker s eye, but had been unsuccessful.•_ was
would but address a few words to the House, althougey:ini.
most anxious to express his opinion upon a subject otufs,ioh
portance'to his country. With reference to the question r'muso
the Chancellor of the Exchequer had just answered, .reight
would find that it was only within • the last or_o_bibb,,
that instructions had been issued for the ;d Don
fug of soup kitchens. He (Lord Dellzerd)