The Sun.
London, England, 1841-05-25 00:00:00

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tion, which the Right Hon. Gentleman so paraded, was
to make every man in the country pay threepence
-in the pound for sugar more than he ought to do.
The Noble Lord, the Member for North Lancashire,
might, if he pleased, publish to the country that the ef-
fect of alteration of the sugar duties NN oald not be the
centessimal part of it farthing benefit to the pur-
chaser ; but the effect of the continuance of the
present law during the last year had bee,' to make
every man pay threepence more for sugar than he ought
to -do. The Right Hon. Gentleman seemed to think
there would be a supply of sugar which would keep
down the price, he (Mr. Hume) differed from
him. Prom every account he had seen, he thought
there would not be that extra supply, and that, conse-
quently, the public would continue to be taxed, not for
• the sake of the revenue, but for the support of the mciP
nopoly. The people might see from this, what benefits
they were likely to derive from the measures of the
Right Honourable Baronet.—(Hear, hear.) There
was not a man who consumed sucrar, but would be t,
in-
fluenced by the course pursued. He was surprised
that the Right Hon. Baronet should haverrided himself
upon that victory which he had obtained, because it was
a victory obtained not so much against the 'Ministry as
against the public.—(Hear, hear.) It was a victory
against the people of England. le Honourable Gen-
tlemen opposite desired the people to be comfortable
and happy they had, at any rate, chosen an extraordi-
nary course for producing that result, when they deter-
mined to maintain the high price of sugar.—(Hear, hear.)
He (Mr. Hume) hoped the Right Hon. Gentleman would
recommend all his friends to read the paragraph which he
had read to the House, at theopproaclung ejection, that the
country might know that he was determined to keep up
the monopoly. He could not but express his surprise
that the Right Honourable Baronet could have read'
with such humour that resolution which he had
carried in spite of all the Ministerial forces that could
be mustered.—(Hear, hear.) He said •so undoubtedly,
but it was nothing to the credit of those who carried it.
If he Were to judge by their measures, he should say that
they were likely to be against the consumers and the
country. Ile hoped, when the day -came that they
could do so, lion., Members would explain why they
compelled the `per to pay a high price for so essential
a necessary of life as sugar.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
On. Thursday next they should have an opportunity
of discussing the question, and he hoped from that dis-
cussion the country would be made fully aware of the
whole question,—(dieers.)
Sir R. PEEL said that this was what he got by sup.
porting her Majesty's Government.—(Great laughter.)
With respect to the statement of the Honourable
Member for. Kilkenny, that .it would be desirt
able that the resolution of the Noble Lord, the
Meinber for Liverpool, should be read on every
hustings, all he had to say was, that he should cer-
tainly when on the hustings read the speech of the Hon.
Member himself, which was delivered on the Bth July,lB4o;
it was to the following effect :—" Sugar Duties,"(Laugh-
ter.) Mr. Hume—l wish to know whether the Right lion.
Gentleman, the President of the Board of Trade, is aware
whether it is correct as reported that a quantity of Sugar
the produce of slave-laboUr has been imported into this
country paying an enormous differential duty ?—(Cheers.)
If this practice is to be allowed, the attempt of the
House to put a stop to the importation of slave-groan
sugar would .be rendered abortive." And then iu an-
other part the Hon. Member said, that he had no objec-
tion to the importation of sugar, but he thought, if they
wanted a stock for home consumption they ought to
take that in preference which was the produce of free
labour.".(Great cheering.) It appeared to him, there-
fore, thatahe opinion of the Hon. Member was clearly
in favour of the sugar duties at they at present existed.
Mr. HUME said that the Bight Hon. Baronet should
bear in mind that a motion was made to admit foreign
sugar; The House rejected that motion, but he
(Mr. • Hume) was against the opinion entertained
by the House, and he told it plainly that such would be
• the ease,- -and that the result would be that they
would admit any kind of sugar.--(Hear; hear.)
The.ltigbt Hon. Baronet thought he had obtained it
triumph over him, but lie. was quite mistaken; he had
merely expressed and argued upon the opinions come to
by the House, not upon his own. He had joined with the
Hon. Member fur AN' igan in the attempt to obtLin the ad-
mission of free labour foreign sugar, merely Izecause be had
before failed to obtain more, and he wq.ad tell the House
had that question of his been attended to, the taxation
of the people of England wonid tot have been -so much
as it had been by the stureor four millions.
General EVANS understood the resolution.. tuored
by the Right honourable Baronet to be one for the con-
tinue:zee of monopoly, and the Right Hon. Baronet
was entitled to the thanks cif that House for his candour,
te dontolyttehlel ).isiescecnodne'sytihtteifeenrets
onhndtilliee h%.3.sstienegrstaitnhlitalhesoweanstnitol
the Chair, but that he ought to-have been its proposer.—
(Immenshise Tory cheerinz) lie had an undoubted right
to tell constituen te and the people of England that he, :tit
at the head of his body of supporters—the confederated
monopolists opposite----(Loud chests and laughter)—that
he and they had determizlm that the monopoly
on sugar
should continue,

• Lord J, 11L'SgELL saiNd..thltatthwe rlevshoileuhtiotlre hi-,aloubsye the Right: /len. Baronet way i
haircometo, only endralV leaving out o.(at part of it
-relackrig : cheers.) The Right
Honourable Baronet now admitted that all that
part, of it was a mere. pretext-..(Loud cheers)
—intended to catch votes, and he had succeeded
in catching' his Right lion. Friend the 'Member for the
Tower Hamlets. By leaving out all that part of the 'no-
tion which was now shown to have been intended to
catch tho &clings of the human; and although he had
succeeded in catching his Right lion. Friend, he would
tell .him that he hail tutally tailed throughout the coun-
try.—(ltemense cheers.) However, the -Right lion.
Baronet, with less than his usual judgment and tam
had eint.4an to throw aside the humanity part of the
resolution as a warm garment ; 'and the House must see
that the proposition before, the House was in fact one of
the prohibition of foreign sugar. While.upon that sub-
ject he could nut but advert to a complete misrepresenta-
tion of A.Yhai tell from him which had gone abroad. It
had Leen stated that his argument was, that Brazil sugar
could not be brought into this country to be sold. under
615., and that at thaertite the West India interest would
be no sufferers. But he went further ; he went on to
argue that if the prohibition were continued, and that if
the Inclines failed in raising the quantity calculated upon,
if they should fail in their promises, then the people
would be previously taxed without any hope of remedy.
whereas the propositions of the Government would have
afforded that remedy without any great detriment to the
West alias. Those who had quoted his speech had
taken the whole of the former and omitted the whole of
the latter part of his argument.-(Cheers.) What he
stated was, that if their calculations should turn out to
be erroneooa, then there might be a taxation of a penny,
tw0.1)000, or , threepence per, pound on sugar. Now, to
Ids opinion, the people of England ought not to be sub.
jetted to those monopoly prices, The proposition of the
other side is, that let what will happen, if there was a
good .supply; then the people will gain the advantage, but
if not, that. the West India interest , still maintain their
prides and their profits. Their motto appeared, to be,
"Let monopoly- theirish, if the people perish."---(Loud
cheers, and Cries of " Oh, oh.")
Lord - STANLEY was exceedingly astoni'led
that during the eight nights' debate on that question,
the Noble Lord had not thought it necessary to enter
into that explanation before.—(Loud cheers.) It was
to be reuiembered that the statements of . the Noble
Lord were made -before the debate began--while the
Noble Lord opening the plan of the Government,
and not in answer, to any arguments or statements
made on that side of the House.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL--The Noble Lord knew full
well that if he (Lord John Russell). had again at-
tempted to speak in that debate—.
• Lord STANLEY—You did.
Lord, JOHN RUSSELL—Certainly, to address the
iinuse upon the amendment. And he had considered
that the misrepresentations of the Noble Lord had been
fully answered his Right Hon. Friend, the President
of the Board of Trade, and'others. At the time lie was
preeeediag upon statements in a memorial presented to
the 'House by the Noble Member for Liverpool, upon
which the House was called upon to legislate.
.Mr.• WAKLEY—The Right Hon. Baronet ,(Sir R.
Peel) had again taken credit to himself for. supporting
her 'Majesty's Government., and he appeared to think
that he was not well treated bet use he did not receive
a share of gratitude from that side of the house upenna
great variety of occasions ; the Right Hon. Bart.. had
lids?
Una some thing,' and that made him (Mr. 1t.":1,,kvce.1).;)u5ek,....
very plain and Simple question, which 1,4-s o
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the 'country it would be were the resolutio!iisiexft_lltfigpet
Honourable Baronet carried on Thursday
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were prepared to pursue the same po
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greater apprehensions apprehensions as to the result
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were only
• had not given satisfaction, but the
of their measurl..
than at this moment. The present
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ele'ocro.'m'ce so unpopular, and until the last two or three
'• cu. unpopularity
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fulso,,,p, one which they would deeply rue_ within
very short space of time. He hoped aria- he be-
lieved it; that was his prediction, and(' a very
d 1( ydas. th
short , time would prove its • correctness. He
seurooy knew whether there was or was not
a Radical,
.party in that House.—(Laughter.)-''`But it
there was, and that they had a recognized leaddr, they
Would prove of essential service to her Majesty 'in her
present Strait.--(Loud laughter.) He should hope that
the leader of that small but intelligent party would be
sent for. However, as things stood, there would only be
an exchange between the leading faction of Whig and
Tory; but he In-Aped that the good sense oldie people of
England would come tOthe mew). He had been told
that the late vote was one of confidence or no confidence.
in Ministry. He, for one, could not view it in that ligh
it was not fair to put in that light. He supporte4 the
propositions because they were for a reductiens Df the
burthenn Of the people—because he believed 'co°, would
confer on the C01111:1 an immense ame;ont
of. public.,
good—not beca;dso he had any confider:,:e in the4irovern-
"'lent. It, 'nail been said, vote agains:. the propositions in
t'r:ter to 'turn out the present I`4litilsters; but for what
purpoSe- should they do so if he policy of those who were
to follow was to be the samelt It was said, vote against
them in order to turn out the Poor-law Ministry; but
where were they to get another, who would be Anti-
Poor-law ale had been delighted to hear the
statemeat made by the Noble Lord that he did