The Sun.
London, England, 1847-07-20 00:00:00

THE BIBLE IN MADRAS.

In reply to a question from Sir R. H. INGLIS,
Sir J. C HOBHOUSE intimated that the Home Go-
vernment did not approve of the order issued by the
Governor of Madras, discountenancing the use or the
Bible in a new days recently introduced into the 'Uni-
versity of Madras, the attendance on which was per-
fectly voluntary.
On the motion of Mr. HUME, returns were ordered

;0 be laid before the House relating to the cultivation of

cotton in India ; and also returns relating to the number
of resident and non-resident clergymen belonging to the
Church of England.
IMPORTATIONS FROM IRELAND.

On the motion of Mr. GROGAN, returns were
ordered showing the quantities of Grain (specifying the
different kinds), and of Flour or Meal imported into
Ireland, from the Ist day of September, 1846, to the sth
uay of July, 1847, showing the number and description
of live stock, the quantities of cured provisions of all
kinds, of butter, poultry, and eggs imported into Ire-
land during the same period; and showing the quan-
tities of cured provisions, of butter, poultry, and eggs
exported from Ireland during the same period.
THE DOCKYARD CORPS.

In reply to a question from Mr. HINDLEY,
Mr. WAI D stated that the entries into the dock-
yard corps were purely voluntary.
COLLIERY EXPLOSION AT WIGAN.

In reply to a question from Mr. HINDLEY,
Sir G. GREY stated that the reason no officer of the
Government was in attendance at the coroner's inquest
on the sufferers from the late lamentable colliery explo-
sion at Wigan, was because it took place before there
was time to instruct an officer to attend. An inquiry,
however, had been instituted into the matter by a body
of local magistrates, and tho,e magistrates had co©e to
the conclusion that the explosion was the result of care-
lessness on the part of the workmen.
EDUCATION IN THE ARMY.
Sir R. H. INGLIS said he wished to ask the Right
Hon. Gentleman the Secret ary • at- War a question relating
to the schools and places of worship in the army. A
report had reached •him that it was intended to appro-
priate a room in every barracks for the instruction of the
children of soldiers belonging to the three denominatiens
of religion recognised in the army, namely, the Church
of England, the Church of Scotland, and the Church of
Rome ; and that it was further intended to use such room
as a place of worship on the Sabbath. He wished to
ask whether such report was true ; and if so, whether
the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary-at-War had any
objection to lay the order issued by the Horse Guard.
on the subject before the House ?
Mr. FOX MAULE said the House would he aware
that his Right lion. Friend who preceded him in office
turned his attention to the improvement of education in
the army, not only of the children, but of the soldiers
too ; and since he (Mr. Fox Maule) had been in
office he had endeavoured to carry out the views
of his Honourable Friend. For that purpose a
room had been set apart in all the barracks
throughout the country, and schoolmasters had been
provided for the education of the as my, but it was not
intended to use such roi.ms as places of worship on the
Sabbath.—(Hear, hear.)
ABUSES OF THE POST-OFFICE.

Mr. T. S. DUNCOMBE then rose to bring under the
consideration of the House the petition of Robert
Grapes, complaining of his dismissal from the office of
letter-carrier in the Post-office. The Honourable
Gentleman said Grapes was not dismissed for
incompetency, because it was admitted on all hands that
Grapes was one of the most efficient carriers in the ser-
vice. The true reason of his dismissal was to be traced
to his having been instrumental in correcting abuses in
the Post-office, and exposing fraud on the part of
Messrs. Kelly in reference to the " Post-office Direc-
tory." A preliminary inquiry had been made into the
case of Mr. Grapes, both by Mr. Peacock the
solicitor to the Post-office, and the Post-
master- General, but throughout the whole course of
those inquiries Grapes was not allowed to be heard. To
show that Grapes was an injured man, he need only
mention that Kelly had been heard to say that he would
give a 1,0001. if he could place Grapes at the bar of the
Old Bailey, and he (Mr. Duncombe) thought it was a
disgrace to the Government that they should allow the
servants of the public to be made the talk
of, and insulted by, Kelly in this way. Grapes
had been connected with the Post-office for a pe-
riod of seven years, and during the whole of that
time no charge or pretence of a charge of misconduct
had been made against him, and it was allowed by all
parties connected with the Post-office that he had
invariably discharged the duties of his office with the
utmost attention and efficiency. It was, therefore, too
bad that because he had acted fearlessly and con-
scientiously in the discharge of his duties to the public,
he should be dismissed from the office he held, and he
should move that an humble address be presented to
her Majesty, praying her Majesty to be pleased to insti-
tute an inquiry into the whole matter.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. PARKER vindicated the conduct of the Post-
office authorities, and prayed the Hon. Member for
I Finsbury- not to press his motion for inquiry.
PASSENGER ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

On the report of the Committee appointed to confer
with the Lords on the subject of amendment on this Bill
being brought up,
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK complained that her
Majesty's Government had been guilty of breach of com-
pact, in allowing the amendments wnich he introduced
into the Bill to be struck out by the Lords.
Mr. HAWES denied that the Government had coin
mitt, d aov breach of compact whatevet. because
there was no. compact made wan reference to
the clauses that had been struck out. The compact r,•-
lated to the clause providing for surveys, and in reference
to that clause the compact had been most religiously
kept. But how was it the Noble Lord did not object to
the Lords' amendments before ? Tt ey were printed
in extenso with the votes, and in answer to a ques
lion from the Right Honourable Gentleman the
Member for the University of Cambridge, he (Mr.
Hawes) stated that these amendments entirely annulled
the clauses introduced by the Noble Lord. The Noble
Lord, however, did not appear at the proper time to
resist these amendments, and it must be evident to tLe
House that the Noble Lord could not do so now.
After a few words from Mr. BROWNE,
Mr. HUDSON said he was surprised to hear what
had fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman, who said
there had been no breach of compact in this instance.
He contended that there had been a breach of faith.
The Government agreed to the introduction of the
clauses of his Noble Friend, and it was inconsistent with
the reputation which the Right Hon. Gentleman the
Chancellor of the Exchequer possessed for honour and
straightforwardness in matters of this nature to have
allowed the clauses to be struck out.—(Hear.)
Sir R. H. INGLIS said he perfectly recollected
that at the time his Noble Friend proposed the introduc-
tion of these clauses, he was prepared to carry
them by a majority; and to obviate the pos4bility of
a defeat, the Right Honourable Gentleman the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer consented to the introduction
of the clauses. So far then there was a compact entered
into, but he could not consent to the proposition that it
bad been broken through, because the Lords had de-
clined to adept it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
only clause he pledged himself to was the one proposed
by the Noble Lord, providing that in all cases a survey
should take place to ascertain the seaworthiness of
vessels proposing to carry out emigrants.
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK said his Right Hon.
Frieud was perfectly correct in what he stated; but he
begged to remind his Right Hon. Friend that on a later
occasion both himself and the Hon. Gentleman the
Under-Secretary for the Colonies agreed to the intro-
duction of the other clause relating to the manning of
emigrant ships, and he bad therefore a perfect right to
complain of a breach of compact on the part of the Go-
vernment.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HAWES readily admitted that he consented
to the introduction of the second clause, but never
intended, nor did he, in fact, pledge himself to insist
upon its adoption by the Lords.
Mr. HENLEY said he, for one, certainly did under-
stand that an arrangement was come to between the
Noble Lord and the Government to render it unneces-
sary for their going to a division on either of the clauses,
and to that extent there was undoubtedly a compact
entered into.—(Hear, hear.)
The amendments were then agreed to.
POOR-LAW ADMINISTRATION BILL.
• A conference was held with the L Ids relating to the
amendments their Lordships had introduced into the
Poor law Administration Bill. On the return of the
managers on the part of the Commons,
Sir G. GREY informed the House that the managers
on the part of the Commons had left a copy of the
reasons why the Commons objected to the amendments
with the managers on the part of the Lords.
POST- OFFICE ABUSES.
Mr. PROTHEROE then resumed the debate on Mr.
Duncombe's motion. He regretted that there was no
representative of the Post-office in that House to meet
these charges of abuse. He had full confidence in the
sense of justice entertained by the Post office authorities,
but nevertheless he thought they would have acted with
more decorum had they simply suspended, and not dis-
missed the roan Grapes from his office of letter-carrier.
PASSENGER ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
Another conference was held with the Lords on the
subject of this Bill. On the return of the Managers on
the part of the conference,
Mr. HAWES reported that the Managers of the Com-
mons had left a copy of the objections to the Lords'
amendments with the Managers of the Lords.
POST-OFFICE ABUSES.

Mr. HUME then resumed this debate. He said if the
charges preferred by Grapes against the Post•ofßice
authorities were correct, he ought to be rewarded, and not
punished for the part he had taken in defending the
interests of the public. On a former occasion he
brought under the consideration of the House the
case of a man who had been dismi.sed for having ex-
posed the plundering system of his superiors, and it
did appear to him to be extremely dangerous for that
House to allow men to be quietly punished in this way
for doing a great public service.
After a few observations from several Hon. Members,
the motion was withdrawn.
[LEFT SITTING.]

It will be recollected that Dr. Arnold Mendols-
sohn, advocate, at Berlin, some time ago assisted M.
Oppenheim in abstracting, under peculiar circumstances,
the casket of the Baroness de Meyeridorff. For this M.
opp,nheim was brought to trial, before the Court of
Assizes of Cologne, but Dr. Mendolssohn contrived to
make his escape, and, notwithstanding all the exertions
of the police, nothing was heard of him until a few days
ago, when he voluntarily presented himself to the judi
cial authorities of Dusseldorf, and constituted himself
prisoner. He has since been examined three times, and
will, it is said, be shortly brought to trial before the
Assize Court of Cologne.

IMPERIAL PA RLI AMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS. July 19.
LEITH HARBOUR BILL.
Lord CAM I't;ELL moot d the third reading of the
Leith Harbour Bill, and explained its provisions at on-
iderable length. He said the object of the Bill was to
empower the commissioners of the harbour 10 expend
the surplus of their capital on improving the harbour,
and to raise, if necessary, 125,0001. by loan, for the
same purpose. He, however, had no objection t°
strike out the clause empowering the commissioners W
create additional capital to this amount, as he believed
the Noble Lord opposite (Lewd Redesdale) objected to the
Bill on account of that clause. He could not, to
consent to the recommittal of the Bill.
Lord REDE'SDALE said he was perfectly justified t°
characterising the Bill as a " lob." Why there never Wel
an instance of a Minister of the Crown proceeding with
it Bill to its third reading, and then consenting'. for the
purpose of neutralising opposition, to withdraw the
leading clause. The Commissioners sought posser
raise far more money than they themselves aduaitte!:
they required. He moved that the Bill he read a this'
time this day three months.
Lord BROUGHAM said it was a stupid, jobbia
Bill; he admitted, however, that he had not read it.
Lard CAMPBELL explained, that the Bill merelf
sought power to hirrow 125,000/ ; but the cornn3issionere
could not borrow it without toe consent of the Comfills.
sioners of the Treasury, which was to be repaid with into;
rest. In fact, the commissioners might raise the wool
without this Bill.
The Duke of RICHMOND also characterised till
Bill as a " job." The c immissioners ought to have paid
their surplus funds into the Exchequer, but they had Ate
keen called upon to do so, because the Lord Advoeet'
was the Member for Leith.
Earl GREY considered that the aspersions which bad;
been cast upon those who supported the Bill, were 11°A
creditable to the House—(Hear, ar)—and he belie/7
that the "vagaries" of the Noble and Learned fin
who admitted that he had not read aline of the
who treated of general matters instead of the subject
fore the House, did much to bring the proceedings of tbecl
House into contempt with the country.—(Hear, hear,oll,
the
vernment, But the Bill was brought in by the late tilbue
vernment, anal the then Lord Advocate was not o
Member for Leith, but a gentleman strongly opposed
it on political, as well as other grounds. The reason t°9;
money had not been paid into the Treasury', vi3O
because there was a dispute on the matter bete'.
the Treasury and the commissioners. The reason b:
Noble and Learned Friend had consented to withdraw:l
the money clause, was because the commissioners 11i..7
the power without it, BA because the drawer of ,1,
Bill had thought that they could not do so without 1_1;
He trusted their Lordships would not reject the Bill u.„
the grounds stated against it. The work was one of
important ano of a public character.
Earl ST. GERMANS opposed the Bill. A; lel
After a short discussion, their Lordships uell
when there appeared—
For the third reading 26
Against it 2O
Majority for the third reading
The House then divided on an amendment of
Redesdale, to the effect that the debt of the Cotnt°lol
sioners to the Treasury of 228,3741. 9s. Bd., be tall 01
the above amount on Whit-Sunday, 1852, instee bele
Whit-Sunday of the present year, when the norn
were—

For the amendment
Against it
Majority for the amendment
After some verbal amendments, the Bill was re
third time and passed.
PUBLIC WORKS AND DRAINAGE (IREL
BILL. tbit4
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved the
reading of this Bill.
After a few observations from the Earl of ROSS
The Bill was read a third time and passed. ro
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE laid on the to
the House various returns.
MAYNOOTH COLLEGE. whe°
The Earl of REDESDALE wished to know A bs
the report of the visitors to Maynooth College world
laid on the table of the House ?
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE thought it
desirable that the public should be made acquainted vioil
the management of the college; but the visitation sti
only talon place on the 20th of June, and si% I/ for
must at least elapse ere the report could be read,'
delivery. 1$10"
THE HERRING FISHERIES (SCOTLAND) chs'
This Bill went through Committee after a short
mission.

NEW ZEALAND (No. 2) BILL.
Oa the motion of Earl GREY, the New Zealassu
2) Bill went through Committee. „ffn.
POOR REMOVAL ACT AMENDMENT (1-`"
BILL. os
Lord CHURCHILL moved the second retail: the
this Bill. The object of the Bill was to octell We'
operation of the Act of last session to make the 57
ment of pau equal with the union.
After somepers observations from the Earl of STII.
DI
BROKE, 0-gif
The Earl of RE DESD ALE expressed himself stri9 ob.
against the Bill, as estabiishing a principle higilible
jectionable ; namely, that of making the poor cbab:0111
on the general funds of a union. He thought that ;tisto
ought not to pass without full discussion, and be
therefore, object to it. ridt4
be'PCOltnn'iltclien'ormtotAino7Nr;s7; a second time, and or
-e
NCLOSURE BILL. to be
This Bill was road a second time, and ordered
committed.

LON— _
The London-bridge Approaches (Fund) Bill Wslll
a third time and passed.
DESTITUTE PERSONS (IRELAND) BILL (Na 5,)
This Bill was read a third time and passed.

DON BRIDGE APPROACHES.

HIGHWAY RATES BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
MILITIA PAY BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
COPYRIGHT (0)LONIES) BILL.

This Bill was read a third time and passed.
i.
CONSTABULARY FORCE (IRELAND) P`
This Bill was read a third time and passed. ,_ oced
The Commons amendments to the Masters inCl'A
Affidavit Offices Bill were agreed to. A t6os)
CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRI."--
BILL, tO V
This Bill was read a second time, and ordered
committed. stisgt
The other Bills on the table were forwardeu- „. , locP'
and their Lordships adjourned shortly after Eight °

• HOUSE OF COMMONS, July igh•dof
Mr. FORSTER presented a petition against t"
Hospital Bill.

RAJA OF SATTARA.
owe . o
Sir J. 11013110 USE moved for a copy of 6 so.
and other documents connected with the eX..

Sattara.
BISHOPRIC OF MANCHESTER DO' iO/
ADJOURNED DEBATE. po ,
Mr. AGLIONBY wished to allude to eho
which had been touched upon in the course ocit'itateu;
hate. The Bishops of London and St. Astilji
before the Commissioners appointed by that foge:4
inquire into this subject, that it was highly atal
to keep up the distinction between the episoP prosy
ecclesiastical funds, because the Church wantedl34l°
sion for more bishops, He thought that evidence bot po
the present question, and he hoped the House w,Onliol eJ
lose sight of it in deciding this Bill. The fils"%reSt i.,
Asaph's opinion was, that if more bishops were
they would be enabled to induce the laity to se bet °
towards a charitable fund for increasing the Ow
at
poor working clergy.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME said if the spirit and feeling, °co-
Bishop of London were to be taken as the 5k,11,A..,1?
feeling of the bishops generally, he did fear t'leftV
no hope for improving the poor working clergt-dieft;
coorunttory.
esßtatbitliisfh thoeyo'lowneirael tobicsrheoaptes,thewsheynelin...7l-I;gotheidi..
not give St. Andrew's, Edinburgh, and ‘l/01,
bishops ?—(Hear, hear.) Ile regretted that the ,s
Lord had not come down to the House stating thiise
was prepared entirely to withdraw, or at least to Foto
pone this question till the next session of Parlol9olo
because he felt it to be his bounden duty to resist troteis
last breath, and he should, therefore, strongly Pheet,)
against the continuance of this Bill.—(Hear'''post'
He implored the Noble Lord for his own salt oi.e.
pone the 13111 till another session. Then, if thei,36";ll ts;
it necessary to press it. let them bring it forriar',;tildt
beginning of the session, so that the measure W" es'
Ile-
least have the benefit of a full consideration• taYsi
anxious that the opinion of the country should wrileoL
upon this subject; moderation would be the hette-orePl
of preserving his own power, than by an arbitrarY
of that power to push a Bill through Perlis:l3o_7,es
0t
the opinions and wishes of the people. Of the
the clergy who really attended to the religious 01
j,l
9
the people, few were adequately paid • 00,1„es-lY Ptie
now proposed to add to the number of lultutle-iri tO-„
bishops—to add to those who were now rolling 017,'"
carriages in the midst of a depressed and star ills FP,
lation. He did on every ground protest sgiliseeselir
ceeding with this Bill, because they were nc. 001:1°-'
the time of the House.—("Hear, herti.," from the ieeell
tion.) It was wasting the time of the HoussLitea,gsjettfs
a greater waste. He considered that the intronejthl
this Bill was a breach of public faith, and he trolls AOC-
hthaedßbc,ilelnw(b)uroldugbhet seinn tthtuis:isoeisnsisoonm.fasouf the °P.- s•
Lord J. RUSSELL could not but thingkh.Vier).ll-tedaoricPi
the speech of the lion. Member who had just sat do
that the present opposition arose from a osisaPPr-,,„resew,
of the question. The Hoe. Member seemed to ritced.i
that the ecclesiastical measures generally intr° she
her Majesty's Government had for their objece‘ile 11°4
crease of the resources of the hierarchy, w''"" cure
depress, d those who had more immediately theisfeehe.;
souls, But he would remind the llonour;thled astteitber
that whcti this Commission was appointed
of the higher clergy held pluralities st! t.
means of emolument, which did not now "7 thiegg;
Commission applied its attention to this state 0 ~.icooe,
They applied themselves in the first place to the
the' faoi
of the bishops, and it. app,ared to them that nose °A
that the bishops held many amounts for the Purt',
eking out their salaries was a considerable sb,!l:l;ettee
they thought that by reducing the salaries of t 1,15 oft h.s
paid bishops, so as to equalise the emolumenic_neu,
different die c« sans, without trenching
appeared to them tha,t by this mode of ecuali.oe'resse ,;
efficiency of the Church might be greatly or, other.
_Tioss tlje
and in this way the emoluments of the B,vv".
of Durham had been reouced from 22,00 a 10,0011,1
Then they thought !hat the numb' rof deans `hey foot;
might be greatly reduced; and by such means t' o.'es t,ll
an amount per annum of 134.01)01, but ow,vvos ere
better management of property, this auium' pad p
purpose "cl
creased to 300,0001. N•ow, to what dein:o •
sum to be applied? It was to ,