The Sun.
London, England, 1840-11-28 00:00:00

EVENING Rnlt. (OM

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This is what determined my conduct at that epoch. I 'elis Prep trcdt
for all thee calumnies beforehand. I disclaimed no p; trt o 1 my
conduct. France cannot have forgotten—(Fresh intern 'Ptiot.)—
that the establishment of the representative regime, Of the
liberty of discussion, of the freedom of the press, that all ou.rj :rand
conquests, in fact, were founded and put into force trona
that epoch. From 1814 to 1830, I defended the same cause • the
cause of the Charter, of the constitutional and representative Go..
vernment. There has not been a single moment of my life that
I have not combatted for the cause which triumphed in 1830
reason of the progress which it had made since 1814. Do you be.
lieve in effect that, on quitting the imperial regime you Would h ire
been capable of defending your liberties with that energy, that pi it.
dence, and that perseverance, that you met with in 18,30 ? Nut
doubtless, but you have achieved a great and fine work; you have
obtained national sovereignty and constitutional liberty, with the
virtues and intelligence that you acquired during fifteen yearst
this if what you owe to the epoch of which I speak, and to the mem
who have never ceased to struggie for the cause of 1830. I glory,„,
then, in having been what I was in 1814 —(Loud murmurs here•
arose fl'om the Left of the Chamber.)
President—These interruptions are inconceivable; it looks like..
a wish to monopolize liberty of discussion.—(Very well, very well.).
M. Gqizot resumed. In truth, Gentlemen, we are very tar from

i that freeucm.—(Very well, very welt) After twenty. five ye:tie'
.•rial of our :nstittnions, you possess 110 more patience than of?
the first day, and you have not yet learnt to bear contradie-.
timi, I admit ),Nur juseiflcatio», and you should at'o admit
mined
,if you have si,-ey reply to make to my remarks, you wile
be able, to make it ft `gin the tribune. I now return to the.question Yes, the quesCon is resolved by the present CAW-.
for it ; the question is resolv.xl tot' the preceding Cabinet, int
net, in this sense that it t,..lieves in 'peace, and that it hopes.
this sense that it kelieved in war. We proceed in our be.,
lief, we pursue the road along wi, ich we are urged. You be-
lieved that the 630,000 soldiers, aho the 300,000 National"
Guards which have been talked of ,would have a %Lured thet
maintenance of peace ; we believe ti, c our part that they
would have rendered war inevitable ; s.tt h an armament way
not one of precaution, it was an armames, t which would hare.
led to war. Do you believe that in fac.• of those arma-
ments Europe would have kept itself quiet ? Ei .g..antl w `mid have
tripled her fleet. Do you think that Prussian aim. .Austri. to Carps
would not have been advanced towards our frontiers ? And i ben, in
the state in which the country was, what would have ti eel; our 'resist,
mice to war ? When Europe was wishing ler peace, aAd pren'eoting
every day its pacific intentions, you would not have kept- down pas-
sions at home. What would have been your resistance if Eunope
had replied to your attitude by menaces? War would i ben ha ve
been certain. The question was received : it was time to put a ate is,
to this delusion. It was time for the Government to give eon Menem to
its friends, who, tram I S3O, had struggled for order ai.d pft•ce. Th is was
the true position of things ; yen had fallen because we hobewed that •
peace was possible. There is between ,tou and us fish: immense
ditletence,but it must not be said that we were anxious for peace,
a tout prix.
M. Thiers here made a sign of contradiction.

M. Guizot—You have compelled me to asc. ml the tribunle, and
I t.•ust vitli full sincerity throw back upon you yam," to-
proasam,c) . .rebnit me to discuss with you seriously the rjoies.
lion as tai whether the Treaty of the 15th or July was a grin end
far war or not. This is a question which may be discuissed
without our charging each other with desiring peace a t tout
prir, or war a I oret pri.e, It ic not the first time that sue h a
question has been discuaed in deliberative assemblies. When
Mr. Pitt discussed in Pailiainent the question whmther war
should be declared against time French Republic or not, his

speeches turned upon the quesiion itself; and no pen., uma dai
of it an object for insulting or reroluticnary qualific,

No. You do not wish for war a tout pric,nor do .ve desire peL ve
tout prir. You were a Cabinet composed of men of you tege
and ardour, who thought war imminent, and therefore prep,. red
for it. We, on the contrary, think that peace ought to be the
lution of the present crisis, and that, if there had been War, ti

fault would have been with yourselve.— (Sensation.) It was to as v
this to you that I asecndedthe tribune. To-morrow I shall enter •

upon the question more fully ; but I was anxious this evening to

establish your dignity and my own, and to do you that justice which

you have not dune to yourselves. You thought war imminent.

We, on the contrary, believe in peace. Here let us break of for to
day, to-morrow, we will resume, but for God's sake let us hear no

more reproaches about wishing for war a tout prir or for peace a
tout prix. Such observations are inconsisteat with what is due to
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yourselves, to me, or to the nation.
Approbation, and exclamations of " Very good, very good."
The Deputies new began to quit their places, and it being half-

past sir, the Chamber adjourned,

SITTING OF Nov. 26,

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M. Sauzet, the President, took the chair at a quarter past one,
h
but the Chamber was not in sufficient numbers to proceed to busi-
ness. The public galleries were, however, crowded as yesterday.
At a quarter to two the President announced the order of the
day, viz., the adjourned discussf'►n on the project of the Address.
M. l'assy (Minister of Finance is the Cabinet of the ltlth Aptitr
rose to explain to the Chamber the site of affairs at the time of thc•
Treaty of 15th of July, respecting which' notions
had had been entertained, and even been expret Ned at the tribune. My
asset tions might be contradicted if 1 did nmot:
production of authentic documents, and I not: scruple to
read them, in order to disengage my responsibilit:Ts 'll'e
world.
was open before the formation of the MinistryouYpo,e.r.ir:rtb°v:
After having reflected on it, it appeared that two
direct our policy. The first and principal was to cause ti'ee!;necbostaloil,otriaoittlets
of the Treaty of Unkiar Skelessi, and substitute for the , -11
of Russia that of Europe common. The second was to hr.
the issue of events in a manner favourable to the peace of Csk
Our first step was to consult Lord Palmerston, who 4visoi
the formation of a Congress at Vienna , The President u► the
Council was in error yesterday when he said the proposal had et
nated from us. The hesitation on the part of the French Gores • "is
ment to enter into the views of Lord Palmerston had produced rut'
unfavourable impression 011 the English Cabinet, but it was of iias-
pOrtance to obtain further information as to the exact state et!
affairs. The Honourable Deputy then proceeded to read acul com..
ment upon several official documents and despatches, to prose that
no direct proposal had been made by England to France to foixe tic
Dardanelles. The contrary assertion arose from a mistake slf the
French Charge d'Affaires, who had misconstrued an allusion ti i th at
effect in a conversation with Lord Palmerston. The Hon. Dot 'putt'
referred to the refusal of Russia to join in the conference of Vie nna,
and to the mission of M. Btunow to London, and its injurious in. 1"-
ence on the Anglo-French alliance, and read documents to show tk
the French Government acted consistently with the honour and bk -
Wrests of France, in refusing to join in any proposition for deprivi
Mehemet Ali of his just and acquired rights, and thereby distutbirtg
the ba.ance of power. France could not abandon the cause of th
after having induced him V. desist from his threatened ex-
pedition to Constantinople. The French Government had done
all in its power to remain in friendly relation with England. He
should reserve further remarks for a future stage of the discussion.
After a suspension of the sitting for a quarter of an hour,

M. Guizot rose to lay before the Chamber the history of the ne-
gotiations ou the Eastern question since his appointment as Ambas-
sador to Loudon. The Government had not then decided on any •
particular line of policy, but were disposed to follow that, of their
/wetter( ssors : and, as M. Massy observed, there had been 110
terial deviatiot. from it.

(LEFT SPEAKING.)

SPAIN.

MAPIZIP, Not. 19.—The levee held to-day in honour of its being
the Queen's fete, or patron Saint's day, was very brilliant although
few ladies attended. The members of the Regency, who, in that
capacity had the right of being by their sovereign's side, had the
modesty of acting but as INliiiisters of the Crown, and as such
stood behind the thrOile. The levee was principally attended by
military men ; among them the gallant Duke of Bailin held the.
foremost place.
Several nominations and appointmmits are to take place in honour
of the day. 11. Linage will, :t is said, be raised to the rank or Lieu.
tenant-General, and M. Infante is to he appointed Secretary to the
Regency. This gentleman will in that capacity ac lompany Marshal
Espartero, should he proceed to the Basque provimlrs, which still
continues to he talked of as being very likely.
This measure is said to have a twofold purpose—tOrst, to pacify
the Basque provinces, in which a certain degree of essatisfaction
is prevailing ; and, secondly, to inspect the frontiers, on. -account of
a French corps being about to be placed in their vicinity.
Despatches have been received horn General Ribera, _in which
he asks for reinforcements and instructions. It appears that seve-
ral delicate questions have arisen with respect to the fees os, and
that the Deputy-General of Rscay has expressed himself in vetlr
hostile language to the authorities of the province. In spit. 2of an
this, it is probable that Espartero will not leave Madrid, as by so
doing, he wcold leave his two opponents, Cortina and Becerni, ful!
play for their projects against him.
Our Gazette contains a decree of amnesty, on the occasion of
the Queen's fete, to all ptisoners throughout Spain and its posses.
sions, with tha exception of those guilty of murder, treason, arson
and other heinous offences.