The Sun.
London, England, 1840-05-09 00:00:00

EVENING EDITION.

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his intention to m-ikeirquiries on the subject, astir, thought
that the system to which he had ac:verted was an imposition
on the public.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
thought the Hon. Member must be under some mistake
when he stated that this course was pursued by stamp dis-
tributors. He thought that ho had confounded them with
persons who had taken Gut a license to sell stamps.
Mr. BA R.NEBY stated that he considered the subject
of so much importance, that he bud written to the Corn-
rnissiosers of Stamps on the subject.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that it rested with the public, as to whether they would I
purchase the stamps from the proi'cr distributors, or from
thane only who were licensed to sell stamps.
hr. BARN EBY wanted to know whether those per-
sons who were authoriz.,d by the Stamp-office to sell
Stamps were permitted to charge 8 or 16 per cent.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would
answer that question, at once- The officers of
the Stamp Department sold at a oervain fixed
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rice but other parties who had the power of sale by
'
license, sold at reay price they could got, or the public
were unwise and foolish enough to give.—( Hear, hear.)
Sir R. PEEL wished to ask whether it was intended to re-
tain permanently that ornamental engraving which speared
at the head of the covers.—( Loud laughter.) lielhad the
highest respect for the talents of the artist by whom it had
been produced. and it was not his intention at all to call in
question its merits as a work of art.—Renewed laughter.)
It was a different question, however, whether it was con-
venient, and he therefore wished to kacw whether the
mul!;plication of figures—( Laughter) —were any security
against fort pry ; if not, be thought it would be for the
convenience of the public that tee engraving should be
curtailed so as Sc, afford mare space for the address.
Hear, hear.) We certainly thought it would b::.• bet-
ter to select a portion of the engraving : but in
saying this, lie begged again to state that he did not call
into question its merit as a work of art, although he very
much doubted its utility..--(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would
also abstain from entering into a discussion upon the merits of
the engraving as a work of art.- He begged, however, to
state that whotevet opinion the House might have formed
upon it, that those persons who had been appointed to
pre a judgment upon it had come to a different conclu-
sion from that which appeared to be the general opinion.
It might be desirable to make some alteration
in the engraving, and he certainly thought too
nirrch space was occupied with the figures. There would
be scarcely any expense in changing it, but of course the
object of the engraving on the cover was to afford as much
check as possible against forgery.—( Hear, bear.)
NEW WRITS.

Mire- THOMAS DUNCOMBE wished to ask the
Speaker whether the motion for a new writ for the
borough of Cambridge would take precedence of the Or-
ders of the Day, or would come on as a notice of motion.
The SPEAKER said that all motions for new writs
were brought on at five o'clock, before the public business
of the day began.
Mr. HAWES wished to ask the Honourable Mem-
ber for Sudbury (Sir J. Walsh) whether he intended
also to bringer.' his motion for a new writ for the borough
of Ludlow on Monday, because he (Mr. Hawes) thought
the House might be spared two discussions in the same
night on one subject.
Sir JOHN WALSH said of course the motion with
respect to Ludlow would have precedence, but be did not
think it would occupy much time, and then he would make
1 is motion.
Mr. ELLIOT would put it to the Hon. Baronet whe-
t •.er he thought it was possible for Members to have read
Lees papers, which were only put upon the Members'
able that morning. Many bad been engaged all day in
ommittee, and probably would be so again to-morrow ;
tie next day was Sunday, so that it was impossible
they could be prepared for a discussion on Monday.
Sir R. PEEL moved that the estimate for the British
Museum should be referred to the Committee of Supply.
Mr. HAWES hoped they would not be pressed that
night, as he wished to say a few words upon the subject.
Notice was (usually given.
Sir R. PEEL did not intend to press them without
notice, but such a motion as he had made was necessary.
The Order of the Day for a Committee of Supply pav-
ing been moved,
Mr. HUME submitted to the Hon. Baronet the Mem-
ber for Sudbuty that it was impossible for Members to he
prepared for his motion en Monday, unless they oc-
cupied themselves all day on Sunday with the book
en!), put into their hands that morning.—(Hear, hear.)
It persisted in, it must lead to an adjournment, and it
would be . a saving of the time of the !louse
the Hon. Bart, would give time for the proper study of
the ease.
Sir JOHN WALSH said his notice was in answer to
the challenge thrown out by the Hon. Chairman of the
Committee.—(Cries of " No, no.") It appeared to him
that there was saMcient time for Hon. Members to make
themselves masters of the case before the time he pro-
posed, but as he found that such metions had precedence,
he would postpone his motion till Tuesday.—( A laugh.)
Mr. BAINES would, upon that day, move that the
motion be poseponed till a future day. He thought that
Tuesday week would be quite early enough to make the
snot:on.
Sir JOHN WALSH--A communication had just been
made to him that The Noble Lord the Secretary for the
Colonies was anxious to be present at the debate ; ho
would, therefore, postpone his motion till Thursday.
Mr. DUNCOMBE would remind the House that there
was a eery important question fixed for discussion on
Thursday, namely, the Corn-laws. As it was totally im-
practicable that they would be able properly to discuss the
merits of the Cambridge election on that day, he should
now move, as an amendment on the question before the
Chair, that the writ for Cambridge be suspended till the
Ist of Juue.
3lr. E. J. STANLEY trusted the Hon. Gentleman
would not press his amendment. He hoped the question
would be allowed to come on on the day that had been
fixed.

Mr. DUNCOMBE said, that as he understood there
was some doubt in another quarter as to whether the
Corn-law debate would come on on Thursday, he would
not press his amendment.
Mr. VILLIERS said, from what he had learned had
fallen from the Chancellor of the Exchequer before
he (Mr. Villiers) entered the House, with respect
to his determination to bring on his financial
statement on Friday whether the debate on the Corn-laws
closed on Thursday night or not, as he could not be an-
swerable for the debate net being adjourned, he was dis-
posed to postpone his motion on the Corn-laws to a future
day.__( Hear, hear.) He had looked into the notice-book,
and be found that the only open day was Tuesday, the 26th
instant; and under these circumstances he would give no-
tice on Tuesday next that he should bring the subject for-
ward on the 26th instant. He must say that he did not
think either tho House or himself had been treated with
courtesy by the Right Hon. Gentleman, because no objec-
tion of the kind had been raised when he fixed his motion
for Thursday.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could
assure the Hon. Gentleman that there was no want of
courtesy on his part ; it was merely from the lamentable
circumstance that had taken place that he had been com-
pelleel to alter his arrangements.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.
The Order of the Day far going into a Committee of
Supple having been read,
Mr. HUME said, before the Speaker left the Chair, he
wished to impress upon the House the absurdity of discus-
sing these estimates when there was only a thin attendance
of Members. In other popular assemblies there was no
inch neglect of whet was one of their most important
duties. In Paris; in Brussels, and on the other side of the
Atlantic, every estimate was submitted to a Select Com-
mittee before it came under the consideration of the
Thetise. It was Impossible that they could be fully con-
sidered w-lthout wasting more time than was fit
and proper upon trifling estimates. —( Hear, bear.)
When the Irish Estimates were in 1830 referred to a
Select Committee, there was in no time a reduction of 23
pfk cent": effected by the discovery of the most flagrant
Abuses which had for years (dited, and Which the present
:Secretary for the Treasury ( Mr. R. Gordon) had been
very active in exporting. And if on the present oceasien
he refrained from lensing that the estimates be referred to
a Committee, up stairs, bereave notice that next Session,
at the earliest period, when the uctimates came on, he ,
should mole that they all be referred to a Select Com-
mittee; and he was satisfied that the result would be that
abuses at once numerous and enormous would in various
departments be exposed.
The, Houtte then went into Committee.
• On the first vote of 9,5001. for allowances in superan-
amnions tied coinpeneatiens to the hold-..;s of civil offices,
Mr. HUM E said ao long as the presmt system of su-
perannuation in the civil offices existed, and every head of
a depart-meet had it iu hisowr, citacrction to
any person who declared su erannuate
msunfit for longerl) •
e. service,
and, of course, the heii„, of departments had the greatest
linotnearewstouin,Ac.rL.tiar; va_e.,enetea that they had to fill up, Si)
to super:in-1.11,1,7
it:},edadtshe imiofoffices la,lve greater temptations
:lets of offices greater tempta-
tions to pc su
perannuived thaw human nature could with.
r''..titt. A return had been presented, from
wlaica
A appeared that there was an increase in the number of
!persons employed in the public (aces of 661, and of that
number 484 were connected with the Post- office He
did not object to the changes that had taken place iii that
ellablishment, and he hoped it would work well; but
what he objected to was the increase that had taken place
in the Customs. The whole of the increase for theme
things was 38,522/. He objected to a great many of the
stiperannuations, bat especially to the pensions to Lead-
bitter and Capes, who had been officers at the Palace, the
former of whom, although only 42 years of age, had a
pension of 1601, and the latter 761. a-year. Considering
the large police establishment that was kept up. he must
require a special explanation from the Honouratle Gentle-
man on that subject.
Mr, It. GORDON said that Leedhitter and Capes
were formerly belonging to the old police, and had always
been in special attendance on the Coert at. Windsor.
When it was thought advisable to {)lace Windsor under
the jurisdiction of the new police force, there was no
longer any necessity for the attendance of those officers,
and he thought that after their long services, they were
fairly entitled to their superannuetion.
• HUME said that no man was more fully aware
than ho was of the arduous nature of the services rendered
by persone filling snbordinato situations. as " no man has,
perhaps. given them more trouble than myself."—( Cheers
and laughter.) He did not wish to object to their being
properly rewarded, but willt he did object to was that
Charles Gremwood's services should not he otherwise
employed. If there had been no police officers in attend-
ance at Windt at present, there would be an end of the
neetter, but as there was a civil list granted to her Majesty,
•- he thought e;eat those pensions ought to come out of the
civil kiss.
Mr. FOX MAULE said that previous to the ap-
pOintmcnt of the police, Messrs. Leadlbitter slid Capes
)tad boon in constant attendance upon t. Royal
person.
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tha metropolitan police had been introduced' their
''•tieduncc became
unnecessary; but he thought his Hon.
„= r4eudwould agree „fat him, that it would be inflicting a
hardship on these mei] to dismiss them without some re.
.ninueration.