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London, England, 1824-04-09 00:00:00

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a any iehere than in Scotland. If the evita Complained ofgtew
out of the tithe system; or out of the want, of oh/cation *Alt*
the lower elasses, let specific measures be introduced tie"te-
medy the. evil, but he objected to a general motion likiadiat
now before the House. Ireland was frequently compared
Scotland, but Ireland was different from any other country that
ever existed, In - Ireland was, seen a Protestant Governinepte
with part of the. population Protestant, and part Catholics ...:
The great Mass of the property, landed find commercial,
Protestant ; the great mass of the population certainly Catfahlic.
Now if the religious disabilities which some deScribed to be the
cause of all the evils which afflicted Irelaud..were removed, it
could not be denied that the immher of individuals to *host
such a-Measure would bring. relief must be very small indeed.
But it was said such a measure.wOuld be good, as one of coati;
Nation. If the effect of it would be to make the Protestants
Catholics, or the Catholics Preitestentee he could 'believe thatit
might prove beneficial; but if. it were to leave the Protestatata
and Catholics to go on as heretofore, be could not See for his
life what good it would do in that respect. He considered that
measure ought to be taken up on different grounds; but ort
that question lie would not now enlarge. The Noble Earl
then briefly recapitulated the main points which he had been
anxious to press on the attention of their -Lordships, and eon;
chided by declaring, that having given his best attention to the
subject, he could not see what good was to be expeated froki
agreeing to the motion of the Noble Lord.
The Marquis of LA NSDOWN though he ageeeal with The
Noble End who had just sat down on some points, yet differed
from him' as to the inquiry proposed by his Noble Pliant!,
which, lie contended,' was as necessary as any that had been
called for at former periods of our history. All the topics
treated upon ranged thernselves under two heads, and they hivd
but to choose whether they would take the view suggested. by
one of these or the others. The first consideration was what
made the situation of Ireland an anomaly, throwing out of theAr
calculation, whether or not the Church there established was
in unison with the feelings of 'the people; . and the se*cl
was, whether these statutes applied to correct the evils greiv.:
ingout of that anomaly he had deseribed, and Which travelled
out of the Constitution, were calculated to give the goat*.
tion and GoVernment of that country security and repose:—
The Noble MarquiS proceeding to discuss those points, coil-
vintied that the circurnstances which rendered Ireland clisehirie
lar to etcry other country in Europe, were adverse to thi
• real prosperity of the empire, and argued that, the inertetitas
adopted to guard against the evils thearce arising were not, itleis
as-ought to prevail. After all that the Noble Earl had tat
them Government had done for Ireland, he was not prepared
to say that that practical order had been flecured,. and that
sincere attachment to England, which could exempt us 6.90
that addition to ounhurdens, which the Noble Earl wouhl
morrow 'call Upon' them' to hear When proposing to tlieni
augmentation on account-Of Ireland: There was sonietli*
then that prevented the measures devised by the Noble girl
for the benefit of Ireland from producing the deSired effect:—
But When told of the 'generosity of this country towards Ire-
land, he must remind the Noble Earl of some of the circtini-
stances connected with the display of generosity.
,He Wintid
chew that that generosity might-be fairly named expedieite)*
expediency founded on an _enlarged view of the aituatiOn- of
both countries. If Iteland produced much corn and Eiigaid
but little, was a-favour to allow-her corn to be constimi On
England on condition that she took our manufactures f4t the
!•eonsumotion' of Ireland ? • 'When they were told of the
sence between taxation:in England and taxation in
• the reason was obvious.. •It was because the former ataallie
richest, the latter the poorest country in Europe. Theta/tea
-had been reduced in Ireland, but first they bad beentolariVy
augmented, that their produce diminished from the eirt,ent to
which they had been pushed ' The taxes which had forinerly
given a million, from being- angmented eunk to half a Million.
—Then we became generous and remitted the eitralardliiiiry
duties most felt, and nOV fiChind was likely to flay. a Million
again. Ireland was reviViiigon the ruins of those laws tinder
which sire had suffered, for to the tyrannical-laws Whichlad
been in force, 11,,. imputed much of that diepcisition'arebel
which had manifested itself in the North at' Ireland.—
He dwelt on the sad effects of past mis-goVernment,
, but warmly praised the measures latterly adopted by •Go-
vernment, and expressed particular satisfaction at seeing
the principle of a commutation of tithes admitted. He hoped
Ministers would follow it up, till the practice of commutation.
should become general throughout Ireland. There was another
question to which the Noble Earl had adverted, and which; in
the unhappy situation of that country, must always demand
particular attention, he meant the state of' the administration
,of justice, Than this-nothing could have greatet inflhencecin
the manners and feelings of the people. °tght it to-be sup-
posed that Irishmen were found residing in all other countries
from choice ? Ought it not rather to he ascribed to the state
of the laws there and the peculiarities in the administration of
justice. On the subject of middle-men, he begged to remaik,
that such persons were as much employed by the resident Gen-
- try as by the absentees of Ireland. From various circum-
stances, he was sorry to say that Ireland had not through many
years enjoyed the advantages intended for hef in the full and
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fair administration of justice. He, however, acknowledged
that the greatest efforts had been made by his Majesty's Go-
vernment, and especially by that part of it which was mere
immediately connected with Ireland, to accomplish that most
desirable object. He 'eulogised the efforts of Chief Jeatiae
inferior agents. He imputed no indisposition to
fluent to appoint proper
ctphhro.oelpceer. persons, but admitted the
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of creating those very disturbances which it was their duty to
put down. He had received a letter within these few days
front Ireland, one passage of which he would repeat; it was
this—" The Assize here is just over ; it would have been a
maiden one but for the disturbances created by the police."
—Those men who bad been engaged by Government to guard
against a disturbance, had been guilty of going into a fair, and
enticingenen to drink till they became drunk, and then murder-
ing them, fOrso he thought he might fairly describe their Crime.
These men had been convicted of manslaughter by a Protestant
Jury, and had received sentence of transportation. To shew the
effects of past misgovernment, and to shew how little the people
calculate on obtaining justice at the bands of Government, he
would state what had occurred on this occasion, The farnily pf
the person who had lost his life was so poor, that it was consi-
tiered they could not obtain 'legal advice if left to their own
resources. The Government upon this, very commendably
i and very promptly directed feu; libig's Counsel 'to contlitet
the case. I, our Gentlemen prepared to obey, and would doubt-
less honourably have discharged their duty, but so little •faith
had the former in the good intentions of Government, that they
actually subscribed to have a Counsel of their own, and Mr.
Wallace had been sent to Maryborough, and, on his skewing,
the verdict and sentence had been obtained. This he men-
doped, but to shew the rooted belief which prevailed among the
.people that they were proscribed, and could not hope f?.: j4S-
dee at the hands of Government. A resointion come to he the
Grand Jury of the county of Roscommon, had been communi-
cated to him, which charged the constables sent down be Go-
vernment with creatingdisturhaneee and extortingmoncy, under
the sanction of the person at the head of the Police there, Who
had culpably endeavoured to screen them from punishment.
He stated this as another instance of the difficulty of admi-
nistering justice even where the Government were thaposed
to effect that important object. The Noble Merqpis alhttled
to various cases, in which individuals had been impro-
perly molested, . and where blood had been shed, without
its being found practicable to bring the authors of , such
outrages to justice. These things he mentioned as emu-peeve
in favour of that inquiry which had been called for l,yhi,
Noble Friend. He noticed the ineerions etl'eets of Opp.,_
grand jury on the importance of putting them
dwri, charge processions, and read the remarks of Mr. Baron laVOle'l4*.rin
a late ngeden the misconception, wild counquent
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contents in Ireland, which it was his Lordship's behef led the
peasanne under the impreasion, that equal justice would tot be
dealt-out to them, to outrages, burnings, and murders, He
thought those in any way connected with the_Oraege institq-
tion 8 and Orange processions ought not to be placed or cone in teed
in office, as their being so, only strengthened the popular he-
lief to which he had alluded, as the fruitful source of ennem-
heredrils. No one could be more favourable than hewas to
Coinmissions of Inquiry, and he was as ready as the Noble Earl
to ear testimony to the ability and integrity with which the
at iniasioners formerly appointed by Parliament had }per-
formed the duty imposed upon them, but he thought something
more than inquiry ought now to take place. Ile proceeds it ,
to describe the course which had been pursued, and the many --
repolts which had been made by different Comenlisioners-: The
question mow was what had been done an _consequence of these
reports He maintained that nothing had been done to give
them ellikct. They -contained many valuable Fuze( eetiPP'he but