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IMPERIA L rAnL:AO:ENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, WeDNEsDAY, FEB. IS.
Being Cause Day, a meeting at the usual early hour took
place, and Counsel were beard respecting the -following.
CilatiC,c

" The Newcastle-upon. Tyne Fire Office v. McMarron'and
Co." .Indgmetat postponed till Monday.
"Parker, Garderi, and Co. v. Potts, Cook, and Company."
After Counsel were heard on this Case, the Loup CHANCEL-
Lon shortly delivered his sentiments upon it, and concluded
by moving that the judgment of the Court below be reversed,
which was ordered accordingly.
CORN LAWS.
The Earl of COVENTRY presented a Petition frOm the
County of ‘Voreester, praying a revision oitheCorn Laws, &c.
The Earl o.V.MULGRAVI; presented one to a similar effect
from the-District of Cleveland, in Yorkshire;
• And the Earl of SHAFTESBURY one front Berwick-
upon-Tweed and its vicinity.
These Documents were severally ordered to lie on the
table.
The Duke of NottFOLk thought, in all proba-
bility, the state of. the Corn LaWs would soon
tome under the serious- consideration of Parlia-
Merit. He would, with a view to the due ilhis-
(ration of the subject, move,: That there be laid
before the -House a Copy Of the Returns of the
Average Prices of Graiti- in the. Maritime Dis-
tricts, from the first madeln Noveniber 1814, to
the last made in January 1815, inclusive.
The E4rl of LAVDE.II DALE:Wade some oliserva-
tions.respecting the mode in .whichAliese 'returns
were generally generally made,....in,order _to show that'litde
accurate information was to be,fonnd in the do-
cinnents moved for by the Noble-Duke ; • and to
call the attention of the tti• the circrim-
stance, in the hope:that 'some:amended or sack
factory mode may be suggested, for the obtaining
the average prices.,The.accounts moved for were then ordered to
be produced accordingly.
•
PnOPEnTY TAX.
The Duke of NORFOLK presented a -Petition
from the L?rd Mayor, Aldermen, and common
Conneil cif the. City...of London, -against the re-
newal of theabove Tax, complaining of its. -in-
jurious-tendency, of its -operation, -sonic
respects the vexations no,'d'e of its:being lewd, Vic.
The Noble Duke fe!t it.. proper to observe, that
although he pres-entlthe Petition, yet theee were
some parts of its, allegations to -Which he cold
not subscribe. With respect to -the mode of its
being levied, as complained of by the petitioners,
nothing grievous .or oppressive had come: to his
knowledge; on the contrary, he thought it, as far
as he knew, levied in'a mild-arid lenient manner.
With regard to the measure and principle.of the.
Tax itself, he confessed it appeared to him- that a
tax upon the income of property, properly modi-
fied, was one, of the best :that.could be devised ;
and preferable, should . it, be found expedient Or
necessary to revert to other modes of taxation, in
case that in question..should given up, to„an
increase of the Assessed. Taxes, or almost any
the, it being more anti. equal in its prin-
ciple, And applying to that which was-most pro-
perly the object of taxation ; but though loaded
with. all those marks of reprobation, hewould ra-
ther see it io,full force, than an attempt to re-
lieve the wants of the country, by a farther
breaking in upon it great bulwark and support of
its credit and finance, the Sinking Fund. The Pe-
tition was ordered to "lie c,suort the table.
TRANSFER OF ,T;ENOA.
The Marquis of BucKINGFIA;I* said,.that before
their Lvrdsbips should proceed te...the- Order of
the Day, he wished to put• a questid''t to a Noble
Lord opposite, upon a subject in whic.ll he con-
sidered the character and credit of the c(liintrY as'
materially involved.'Tire question he was' about
to put did not refer to any negociation now pend-
ing, or to any other point, the disclosure of w,‘.rich
might be dangerous. It referred to an act
,alreaAY
done— mflto a transaction which was terated-r-
-to a measure which had been taken. The ques-
tion was, whether the measure which had been
terminated, and terminated in such a way, had
been with the knowledge and by the authority of
his Majesty's Government ? How iris Majesty's
Ministers had conducted themselves. With respect
to the affairs of Genoa ? Lord William Bentinck
had entered that territory at the bead of a British
army, professing that the security and indepen-
dence of that State was his object. Professions
of regard fOr the general independence- of Italy,
too, were not sparingly used. With the-words,
Italian Independence in his mouth,-,le calle4
upon the Genoese. to arm themselves, and take
part in the great contest then going on for the
independence of Italy. They were promised their
independence and the enjoyment of their ancient
constitution, in the-proclamation 'issued by the
Commander in Chief of the British Forces. The
honour and faith of the country was pledged by
the words of the Commander in Chief. Under
these assurances, the GenoeSe rested happy,
and consented to the. occupation of their ter-
ritory by the British, and the sth of .Jt.r.
nuary was the day (so we understood the
Noble Marquis) when . the assurances were
to be fulfilled • but on the 24th of .the pre-
ceding month, another proclamation was issued
by the Officer in command in,Genoa, by.which
the Government, the lives, properties, and terri-
tory -of the inhabitants of Genoa, were to be
transferred to another Power, under whose Go-
vernment they never were before, to that of the
King of Sardinia. - In that manner, were the
pledge and promises given in the proclamation of
Lord W. Bentinck redeemed. The transaction
was of such a nature, that no objection to its
explanation on the score of pending negociation
can apply. The question was this, was the pro-
chi:nation of Lord IV. Bentinck authorised by his.
Majesty's Government, or not ? Was it, or was
it not, avowed by them ;—and was the procla-.
oration under which the. transfer of Genoa took
place, authorised by his Majesty's Ministers'?
He put this question to the Prime Minister of the
country, and he hoped that his answer would be
such as to wipe off such a disgrace from the na-
tiorval character. If it were not so,' he took this
opportunity of saying, that in his mind, a more dis-
grateefui, or a more flagrant instance of Oppres-
sion and injustice, never presented itself in the
worst periods of the French Revolution. If the
fact could not be denied, or satisfactorily ex-
plained, he trusted the voice of the British Par-
liament and nation Would he heard respecting it,
and that they would not-support Ministers in what
he held to be aggression and injustice.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL observed, he did not
then eke Cr ___

tian upon the paint referrsed to by the
Marquis. The flouse, and the country, lie trust-
ed would do him the jostles; to believe, that both
with respect to the subject referred to. and every
other connected with it, and forming a geaeral
whole, he should be prepared at the 1 Tope !. time
to give the fullest .explanation to the Noote Mar-
quis, to the HOUs-e, and to the country. But he
thought their Lordships generally trinst feel that,
upon a question like the. present, branching. into
a variety of details, if he suffered himself to be
led into explanations hetore he could counutini-
cate to the House all the circumstances of the
case, and all the facts connected with it, he• should
so far depart from the dictates of his duty. One
point now only he would advance, namely, that he,
would. pledge himself to prove, either with re-
spect to the particular question brought forward,
or them.,re extensive question of-Itaiy, that the
British Government was guilty of -no. breach of
faith—that' it held out no expectations that were
afterwards diSappointed, and that the charge
made by the Noble Lord was entirely destitute cif
foundation.. From any farther retrial ks upon the
case he was restrained by .a sense of duty at pre-
sent; and he had to request their 'Lordships to
suspend their judgments upon the question, mita
the proper per-ad for answers and explsnationi'
should arrive.—(Hear, hen!)
Tire Earl of .LaurazanaLE seemed of opinion,
that iars.auswer .to a spitstion of the particular na-
tate .-of, that proposed by the • Noble Marquis,
might have been consistently given by the Noble
Lord. No point orpublie interest couhl be •com.sl
promised,. where the business, as it toe particular
case, was completed. , Neither did he inaik.the.
explanation-of the Noble Earl satisfactory in an-:
other point of view. -it wohirt•he desirable for
-the•nouse tc be informed when the-proper period
for full explanation, as alluded to, %voila! arrive ?
The principle on which those repeateffdelays•pro-
eaeaed,. also required explanation, were .it only •
on the ground of proper respect for the House. •
• The•alarquis of Buctsizacsiam said, that as he
considered what fell from
.the ,Noble Lord as no
answer to his question, he felt it his duty to move
to have laid before. the House those documents
which .he, had referred to, and which he believed
were published in every Newspaper in the coun
try; and the productions of" which he did not
think. the Noble-Lord could. find means to, pera.
strade the. House to refuSe.. He should move for
the Papers on Monday next, for which day their •
Lordships were ordered to be summoned.
. . -. NAVAL ADMINISTRATION. ; •
-The Earl of.DARISLEY shortly rose to state that
a misapprehension seemed to obtain as to the na-
ture of what it. was his intention to propose to
the :House on. Friday. It was not to bring for- .
ward -the general subject of tire Naval Administra-
tion but to tnove fur the production of certain im-
portant documents which he conceived necessary
to tlie,,due. illustration of it.' Some of these were
then adverted to by the Noble Earl.
. Marquis of BUCKINGHAM stated, that Ire
should move on Monday for copies of the Pro-
clamations-issued by Lord William Bentinek, and
subsequently by General Dalrymple, at Genoa.
EMBODIED MILITIA. .
The Order on whiali their LOrdships were sum
moved being read,
Earl Frrawrauriat rose. to bring forward his
promised motion. on this subject. He prefaced
it by a speech of some Iclistb, which included
most of his Lordships funnier observations on the
subject. He repeated, that the only grounds .
upon which the Militia could be legally retained
in an embodied state, were-exclusively four, viz, . -
insurrection, rebellion, invasion, or imminent
danger of invasion; and contended that, if it
could not be strewn that the corps which were
still kept up Were not retained on either of these -
gr:ri t
the retention was illegal. The Noble
Earl went into an historical view of thesubject,
uj
svissh a view to shrew that front the first
sble uc(tj:seri°
essawisimenf of the Militia force, under the Act
of Geo. the conclusion of the recent war,
whenever it was called out or retained, it was al-
ways either on. one or -the other of the above •
grounds. He also quoted some extracts from
certain documents lately -.published by his Ma-
jesty's Government, as the ground and ob-
ject. of retaining a part of the Militia in
an embodied state, and ira which were in-
volved certain opinions given- by the Law Offi-
cers of the Crown upon the subject. The grounds
assigned in those. were, the Noble Earl argued, by
no means satisfactory,- and 'were, in some points
of view, indefinite, such as '' the expediency of
the measure for the general welfare and govern-
ment of his Majesty's dominions." The grounds
referred to in these were neither clear, legal, or
satisfactory; they may refer even to the state of
Bengal, as a reason for keeping the Militia, or a
part of it embodied. The measure of which lie '
complained was not only illegal and unconstitu-
tional, but operated partially as an oppressive bur-
then, and on those grounds Petitions had been pre-
ferred from different parts of the country ; and he
condemned the modern construction of the Militia
Laws, as vesting an undue and dangerous discre-
tionary power in /his Majesty's Ministers. Their
knowledge of facts was one of the- reasons assign-
ed. "al pretty ground indeed ;" observed his Lord-
ship.. ", Upon what facts do they hold the. Mili-
tia embodied ? If they know of arty facts which
render such a measure necessary, they are hound
to come down to Parliament and state them."
After a_ variety of observations to the above ge-
neral effect, the Noble Earl moved an Address to
the Prince Regent, representing to his Royal
Highness, that by the several Acts of Parliament
under which the Militias of Great Britain and Ire-
land were raised, they could not be called out,
held together, or kept embodied, save upon the
grounds expressly stated in those Acts, none of
which existed at present ; and that as peace and,
tranquillity were now happily- restored, no cause
remained for keeping the militia, or any part there-
of, in an embodied state. Under' these circum-
stances; the House felt it to be its 'bounden duty
(nimbly to request that his Royal Highness would
be graciously pleased to give directions that the
alilitia should. be disembodied without further
delay.
Viscount SaataptfTn rose and observed, that if
such were the opinion seriously entertained by the
Noble Lord, he should have come forward sooner

'Ji.ove,Wz-trt -A- 't-liarg'r
'4:ijes!v!*Gm•ernmeot. riut he felt a
:erm.fidvot c sise,'taioes of lieiwg g)le, ii4enendent
of the d-libtootte ovinion giver) upon the que,stion
by Vie Liao, Officers of the Crown, to con hire
t!,e IZoose, ocnerally, that the view -of the subjeel
'by the Nol)le Earl erns erroneous, anti ti.ut the
lootclos oos drawtobv bin), from the anthorities
and ':!cts Ile had referred to, were unfounded.—
fie ,;-en proceeded to di cols and combat the re-
fer , ces and arguments of tie Noble Earl, eon-
temlin:,:, that no existing la* upon the subject bad
seen , io any manner violated—that though the
can es of Calling out the Militia were clearly
expressed on the face of the statutes, nothing
was prescribed .as to the disembodying the
from which he seemed to s,ay a disere-
tioto-oy power in the Crown was in some Alegre*
inOl-able, and nrgucd that the spirit and intent of
th, Militia LAWS were strictly adhered to in these
measures, of which the Noble Earl thought
proper to complain: From the historical view of
the subject, in which he followed the Noble Earl,
be rwitended it appeared in a variety of instances,
that the Militia force was kept embolied long
aftcr-not. only every danger, but every apprellen-
ion of any of those dangers, of any of those evils,
the.existence- of which the Noble Earl insisted
were the only grounds on which -the
could, he legally kept together. Having esta-
blished the legality.. of the measure complained
of, the Noble Viscount proceeded to point
out the m-cessity which existed for it, but
to slew, indeprodeut of such necessity, -the
policy of its adoption. In point Of economy too,
lie artied, the measure was desirable. -Withotit
a rerurrenre•of the fluid, a larger regular force
should be kept up in the country, which irotald
much more expensive ; and 'kilt bout'it the Coln'
trial service, which was now particularly•ituport,
cut, would be cramped. Upon the whole, he-
.contended, that even the letter of the law; did not
sanction the proposition of the Noble Earl; hut
the circumstances of the country rendered the
painful duty of Ministers to advise the measure, -
in consequence of which, be meant not to deny,
that some -disappointment unavoidably existed.
That viewing the whole subject, as he certainly
did, he felt it his ditty to oppose the motion. •
.Lord GRENVILLF. answered at considerable
length . He was peculiarly surprised at the paper
which had been laid on the Table. It contained
the opinion of the Law Officers of the Crown on
the Act. .Bt.t be recollected a period when the
Judges had been called on for extra judicial opi-
anil they recommended the raising of ship
money, if it pleased the Crown. The Crown I
Law Officers bad given Crown Law of this nature
Nvithiu his own memory, but it could not stand a
moment in the Courts. As to the commission in
the Act commanding the-King to disband the Mi.
litia, he could find no statute which made any-thing
imperative on the King, though it might coffi-
n:and his Ministers. But in 1792' there was flan, '
ger, all but actual rebellion.
.He ivished to
know whether in -futor.e,- "the convenience of his
Majesty's Governmerif was to be the standard of
'keeping up the Militia in the re.ahn: Yet this
monstrous proposition was the argument of the
paper and the Noble,Lord...
The Loan CHANCELLOR considered the inter-
pretation of the jtioide Lord (Grenville) As tin.
sound. .0 the first place, there were statutes im-
perative on the King. In this very 42d of the
present reign, it was enacted that the King, on
calling out the :Militia, may and shall communi.
care the same to-Parliament, or assemble it for
the purpose within fourteen days. • But in no part
of the Act which thus guarded against the Itc:yal
Authority it) calling out was there a word as to

disetubovilyitg. it was impossible to presume
t: at this material point should have escaped all,
, the' framers of the suceessiVe Militia ActS tl:Ay
of 'course left it to the wisdom. or the eniejrrencl,,,,
should. pat the case•ot the Dandee lnsurree,
•
/ion in 1792-, when he was fightirg h'i.the side of
the, Noble Lord:(Greaville).
The Marquis of iiticsiNGEt.rif Considered- the
greej question
,to be; wileLhet: a standing army
~-as to he maintained:in tlir,e of peace. The etn-
botivingof the Militia was to be regulated by
stature law, and not by the impressions which
Ministers 'might atteuipt on Parliament. The
period alluded to by the Noble Viscount, when
the Speaker' eongrat!.dated the King on being
enabled to dispose of the tt•gular forces, was ra-
ther inifortnitate, as we were then, just on the
eve of a war ; but now all war had ceased.:
Lord ELLENHOROUGH said this was nut exactly a ques-
tion of a standing' army, nor was the present strictly a time
of ieFce. He thouht it his conscientious duty to vote against
the pronfised Address. It the statutes were silent on the sub-
ject of disenittodying the Militia, what was 'undefined cer-
tainly left to the Crown a power to exercise its discretion,
whi:ll was to be exercised with an anxious regard to proper
feeli-;,; and to public justice. Where was it to be fooind how
the King was to he limited in such cases, otherwise than by
a sound and wholesome discretion according-to the
!lattice of the pal ticalar occasion? Cases of this sort were
nut always so cleor in the original exercise as in the conti-
nuation. 11That were the eircuinstauces in 1792, when the
Baron,bure a great part? The Minister of. that day
very able to coiistroe au Act of Parliament; but two
things were desirable, the assembly of the legislature and the
collection of an armed politic force ; and the Noble
Lord be
liered he willingly stretched, or peihaps made the law on the
subjec,t-for•st tile!, he did not lelame trim, on account of the
pre,oure. of eireuinstatiees. It would be ridiculous to say that
insurrection was then the cause. On Nov. 13, some boys had
)net at Dundee, mug the hells, and burned about 109 cil nod
porter cashs;.. Inn before the post came away with the intel-. ligenee, he helieved all those insurgents were in their beds.
Tire Proclamation stated, that tumults had manifested them-,
selvss in acts ot ;Ind insurrection ;,the Miiitia were call-
ed ail Pot: assembled. There was also a kind
of pstudo P t ii.l petit held in Scotland. The asset:Ailing
of Parliament sera necessary, as the word " shall" in an act
V/:13 ini)ieral ire, whereas that '' may" was only ena,blitig.—
Cc) tainly t ?le times wore veryanxions, but there scenic(' no
parideuFir (langer till after the murder of the. King of France,
lie should be sorry if any thing that was said should lead tire
Z.filifin 'so .Itttiny Law was of no authority.
God forbid • • .• old go forth; and it was in that
vieK to express himself.
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t to say a few words. His Noble
hot suppose him capable of intend_
intent ia ally portion of his I?...iesty's
lie armed portion oftlieni. But if the
the same opinions with himself,
it his duty not to sit _silent km that
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- on foil consideriiion of tht• sob-
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deer.; winch itext.year al-peared to cov..u, an invisian of Eng-
-141)d, it iva. alutful whether we had the means of recent-
ing.the to oar resources. Ministers in t7O
were ails •at,-, for Om Authority of Nefiameet, t;; 'force down
insiirreet-ieau.l call out the
• Tile 4!•%f I.lVl'.looet, said, OA ifter the opinion
which Ins :Solite and learned Priends had delivered as to-the
legalitv of the proceediop of Ministers, it would be Pre-
suniotco4 in him.. tioceupy the time of the House en that
point.• lle wettiernie rely O'Jjer ye, that the law had prescribed
the time and the occasion on which the Militia should be
embodied ; but said nothing -about when it was to be (Mew-
l:tidied, thus leavins sense discretien to the Ministers of
the crown, acting of Course under responsibility to Par-
!lament. lia illustration of this, he remarked, that the
Local Militia Act spetified the period, of six weeks after
the peace for their dissolution; hut with regard to the Re-
gular Militia, the time of their being disembodied WaS
rather a question of discretion, though certainly it never
could enter into the heads of Ministers to retain them longer
than an enlarged view of existing circumstances scented to re-
quire. On this ground, theta, he rested their defence, that
nn tile conclusion of Peace with France we were still at war
with America; that a large British force actually proceeded
from tlw ports of France to America ; and that though PeaCe
with France was signed, a great variety of interests still re-
maiued to be adjusted at the Congress, which required the
presence of a British force on the Continent of Europe.—
Under all the circumstances, and with the utmost desire to
diiernl;tidythe Militia, Ministers had thought it best to pro-
ceed ley degrees. Accordingly during the recess some addi-
tional regiments were disembodied, others were in a course of
being disembodied, and all would actually bo so as circum•
starer:es permitted.
The house then divided, when there/appeared, -
Against thcAddiess, :::7; for it, 12.—Majority 15.•
Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS:
'Petitions, were presented from 'Stafford, Loughborough,
Chippenham, and Evesha+it, zziraii;it the Property 'fax.
Mr. PRATTIE presented a Petition from the County of Tip-
, .
perar, praying for an 'alteration in the Corn Laws. •
Mr. L:aved for:, leave to.- bring in a: Bill to extend
the Act which allowed the ALgistrates . the Quarter tits-
to zip.• an allowance nut exceeding 504. per anninn to
-tbis ('halildins 4illiciating' at the toitiity Gaols. This-Act,
-Inniling the allowance to iOl. was risked .$) long as 43 years
ago, and since that time. et .13 51.-of that allowance had been
tahe:lt away from them in'the• shape of Property 'fax.
therefore; waived' for leave, to bring in a Bat.) enable the
Masistrates to increase the allowance.
. tlr. D. GIDDY asked whether this Bill was to be confined
to-the County Gaolt, or whether it would extend to Houses
uf- Ciirrect Mit?"

Mr. fluni.yr said, that it Uxts confine.d to CountfPauls.
Leal-er.sras then given to bring in the Bill. was after-
ward., brought up, and read a first time. Ordered to be read
et 'second time on Friday serf:light.
Capt. BENNET hrceught Bill • fur the Abolition of
Gaol Fees, which was read a first time. •
After a few words from Sir Wm. c it was ordered
to he read a second time on •Wedaeay nezt.
REMOVAL OF THE POST.oFF/m.
The Sheriffs a the City of Loudon brought up
a Petition Iron] the Common Council; praying for
leave to present a Petition, (nOtwithstanaing the
regular period for presenting 'private PetitiOus Was
past) for the improvement of the great cominuni-
cation with the north road -by St. Martin'-le
Grand, and by the intended s'cite of the new Post-
-
Office. The Petition stated, thot the cause'of not
applying earlier, was, that it was only a few days
ago that the Lords of tile Treasury had given their;
consent to those improvements.
On the question that this be agreed to,
The SpEixkli observed,. that It iF:volvea.R, ques-
tion of money, and asked whether it had •,t,,
sent of the Crown?

The CHANCELLOR 'of the
,ExcttErAvEtt rose to
signify that assent ; at the same time, he must
vndicate himself from the rer orts that had been
spread, of his having thre
-'afetied to reinov the
e'ity ; and by this means
Post-office out of the
agree to its being placed
prevailing upon them
in the situation had
.been mentioned near
St. Martin's-le-grand. The fact was, that from
incestigati,on, he was convinced that the busi-
ness of the- aepartment could not be carried on,
adequately in the 'present Post-office,, and :t
Came ne'.iessary to build another. Several ocher
sittho ins in the city had been pointed out, but all
Of. Elif;:to had bcen found more or less,;inconvenient.
Th‘'.rsituation Feinted out wax the most couve-
n'int toa.Post-office that could' be found within
file city of Loudon.
Mr: BARING opposed the presentation of the
Petition, 'under pretence that the removal of the
Post-office Avould be inconvenient to the mer-
chants of London, and that the measure was oh-
rectionable'from the large sum it would cost to
carry it into effect-800,000/.
• Sir W. Cun-rts said, that if it was -absOltitelY
necessary to have• a new TdBt-otriciz-, he did not
care much whether it cost 800,000/. or. 500,000/.
As to himself in particular, there were but few
men in the city that would feel more personal
convenience than himself in the Post-oflice• re-
Maining where it was. He should, however, sup.
port the proposed removal, for the purpose of ge-
neral accommodation.
Mr. GRENFELL thought that the convenience
of other people sh.ould be attended to as well as
the convenience of those who lived in the intuit.
• diate neighbourhood of Lombard-street. He be-
lieved that a very great proportion c,f the- riser.
chants of 1,,,0ud0u lived west of Lombard-street.
The accommodation of the tradesmen and of men
who, lilaitheinselves, lived at the west end of the
town, should also be considered.
Mr. GORDON was against the removal, on ac.
count of the expence. .
Mr. PossoNsT was persuaded, that the finances
of the country would' not afford an expenditure
any thing nearly so great as was proposed for this
building.
The CRANCELLOR of the EXCHER.UER thought
the expense of building the new Post-office could
not fairly be discussed, now, when the only ques-
tion was about allowing the city of London to
present •a Petition. As to the plan that was pro-
posed,' lie conceived it to be the most economical_
that could he adopted, and that it would CO=
cheaper than *building the present Post-office.
• Mr.•l-I.SumNut was convinced, that at a much
less.expense than Was proposed for this new
building, the present Post-office might be Joade sitilieient for all purposes.
Sii J. SHAW observed, that the city of London
had but a small interest in the question, except
that they naturally felt interested for the improve.
bent of their capital. Towards the expence of
a new and elegant street, communicating with the
no:th'road, they 'offered to cdantribute one-third,
which was about 100,000/. •
.Mr.' SUMNER 'explained.
• .Mr. BANKs was fo'.• receiving the petition, but
wished to guard liiinself from being supposed to
2pprovv, the plan. ;Jr thought than sufficient ;id-
ditions might be made to the present Post-office.
,The House then divided (no the receiving the
"Perition— •

, Ayes 7 I .—Nues 17:4:•—Majlrity 7.
Ti .e Petition wa4 114:4 pres,euteci et the Bar by

- •
nr. 'Sheriff Rex*, eiti the 14' Sit•
Curtis, read and referred to a Continittec...'
Sonie conversation theri took plAce on the pi-w-
-prietr of producing not only the estimate and
!Awns of the new Post-office, but likewise of the
expense attending the plan of 'rendering the pea:-
sent establishment sit flicietitly commodious.

BANK RESTRICTION.
Mr. PoNsoNft rose to retwest of a. Noble
Friend behind him (Lord A. Hamilton) to defer
his motiou for a select Committee 'rem to-mor-
row to a future day, as the Chancellor of the Ex,-
chequer persevered in bringing on his motion for
continuing the restriction on that day. It was
desirable, he thought, that the provisions of the
Right Hon. Gentleman's Bill should he before the
House'previous to their going into the considera-
tion of the measure which his Noble Friend had
it in contemplation to propose.
Lord ARCHIBALD Hamrivozi felt no reluctance
in acnoiescing in his Right Hon. Friend's sugges-
tion ; his only difficulty was as to the-selection of
a proper day. He was not aware of the degree of
rapidity with which it might be the intention of
the Right Hon. the Chancellor to press forward
'his measure ; but provided his motion might, take
precedence of other business, he ‘ionid *name to-
morrow se'nnight for submitting it to the Hinisc.
The CHANCELLOR of. the EXCHEQUER I(gyltrg
stated, that he had no objection., the (notion was
fixed for that (lay. ..
- Mr. WHITBREAD enquired again whether,a Set,
cretary of Embassy, or .a Secretary of Legation,
was going out to Lisbon' at an 'additional expense
of LAO& per annum to the country ?
The CHANCELLOR of ..the EXCHEQUEI had heen
led- to believe, when this subject was first
duced by the Hon. Gentleman, that 'Son-4!thing
very unusual had been done: I:he si!:„pie filet
%Vas, that there was, as there had alto 4s been on
former ElDbaSSiCS;.kSvcreturyof EnAassy a! Lis-
bon,Mr. Cassarnaior 5 and. unti4l,!:r, oily, if that
Gentlenl4.l): should return, the a
be finial Hp. ',,pointment would

CORN
Mr. liAnr NG wished to 'afore for the production
of a paper connected a subject of the deepest
public iirtportance, t'xit was shortly to engage the
attention of the
Fl,ouse. He regretted that this
brought into discussion cm so
earlyearly ‘sda-a; tasrd be
Friday 'next, and that the House
called on to agree to certain resolutions %without ftny previous ingairy or deliberation, but
such ;,..s might have taken place at the legislative
Iffee'.-Mg held at Lord Liverpool's house. Some
011"%ortnation at
.least was due to the House from
(iOvernment, who were now understood to have.
taken op,the measure. Was it the intention of
the Right Hon. Gentleman (Th'. Robinson.) merely.
to read his resokeions pro furma,-and appoint an
after day for their consideration, or to preis ,the
House at once to a decision. If the assembly at
Lord LiverpooPs had sat day
.after day before they
could bring their scheme to maturity, it was not
very decent to require of Parliament to- agree at
once in 't he plan submitted to-them. The Right
Holt. Gentleinan had put off his finance measure in
order to-give precedence to the Corn 13111, although
the ports were already.shut, under the law as it
now stands, till. May next, and the exclusion
against foreign wain was, up to that period,
therefore as complete as the .most sanguine friend
to corn bills could desire. The Right Hon. Gen-
tlemen ought to be aware that the vague notions
which he had scattered abroad of his intention to
introduce some extraordinary measures of finance
were producing _great inconvenience, and giving
rise to much speculation in the funds. The lily*.
tery in which the Right Hon. Gentleman:s in,
tentions were involved, affected publiectedit, and
was extremely injurious_ to all money transaction S.
The ferment in the pahlic mind on this subject, he
thought, ought to be tranquilised as early as pos-
sible, and not suffered to continue for the purpose
of scrambling through Parliament the much less
urgent bweiness of a new COrn-Bill. That bill, he
should take an opportunity.of opposing in every
stage; and he trusted that the saute year in which
the great proprietors of the country were relieved
from the heavy burthen of the Property
would not witness the success in inducing Par-.
liament .to transfer the burtlten to shoulders so
much less able to bear it. He shotild conclude
by moving for an account of the average price of
the quartern loaf, as fixed by the assize for the
City of London since the year 1697 up to
year 1814, both' inclusive.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no
objection to the production of the account,. and
he supposed the City Officer could produce it. He
could not agree with the Lionourable Gentleman,
that the delay in bringing; forward his propositions
on the finance of the country was at all uurea-
sonable; and had the time, locked, been shorter,.
he apprehended some complaint might hat-, been
made on a different ground. lie conceived, that
the anxiety prevailing in the yummy on. the sub,
jest of the Corn Trade did call for the earliest at-
tention of Parliament, and was of a more urgent
description than any new measure which was to
be proposed in substitution for the Property Tax.
As to the previous meetings held at the Ittorse of
his Noble Friend, the lion. Gentleman could not
be so unacquainted with the practice of late
years, as not to know that it was extremely usual
before submitting any measure to Parliament of
great and general importance, to collect the opi-
nions of different l‘ionbers more immediately in-
terested, as to the best form of so submitting it ;
and that it was a practice which had been found
extremely convenient to Parliament and the Pub-
lic. The subject of the Corn Bill had been dis-
cussed at Lord Liverpool's in a numerous meet-
jug, composed of individuals of opposite COMICC-
dons, and different political st4inlents• WWI
respect to time alleged specolations in the moray
Market, these he considered unavoidable, and as
naturally attendant on every notice io Parliament
"of a similar nature. The Hon. Gentleman had
done him the justice to say, that.no improper dis-
closurc had proceeded filial him. He had only to
add, that there was no iiiteation of unnecessarily
it mu ry'ing forward the Corn Bill, although he_ most
observe, that the sobleet had :ziready undergone
an ample and lahocions investigation.
Tixanao said; what his lion. Friend had
complained of has, that there bin itg twO great
quction; e!nre the ilouse, ,he Right lion. -Gen-
tleman Iluti;(l,6x..thai. for the earliest day W-witich

a 11-i)on'f46&nt- tat, could
rea•or,ably expect from [aim a fuli discfu. ire of his
finntial plan ; lint it wduld certainly relieve the
PolAic U-okietyi to know.‘i,hether the 14 millions
produced by the Property Tax,'%i.ere to be in part
or entirely raised by a new system of taxation ? If
not,, the effect on the money market -most be pfd
twit.), as great as if the money were reiscd by loan,
So tar from thi-nking the Meeting at Lord Liver,-
pool's nothing more than usual, he deemed it ex-
tremely. unusual, and thought it highly objec-
tio'nahle in a :Minister to send for a certain 13q311
her .of leading persons in both Houses, aud ask
them-whether, if such a measure were framed irz
such a manner, he might rely on their sopport
To him this appeared to be lather an unconstitu-
tional kind of rehearsal. if the object in naming
s 9 early a day was to strike while the iron svo
hot, and to take the country Gentlemen at their
word, he could understand the.policy of this pre-.
cipitation but he could not see how it: accoreA
with the acknowledged importance of the subject,
and the deliberation due to it. He had by rumour
iseen given to understand from what passed in no"
cachet place, that the report of the Lords' Cona"
tuittee was represented to contain :a very eyttj-;
plete'and satisfactory body of evidence. Ile had
beep a little surprised at this,, as he recollected,
that last Year, when• the. report was prodUced; the
Lords yelued to take any steps it on such defcc-
rive information. He was desirous at precept
lio(vever, to know whether it was the
1:11t Hon. Gentleman's intention to proPof4
-dew taxes, or to raise the necessary supply 'Di
other means?

111 r. SWAN said he "sholt1(1 wove an Rdiourniael“,
~.
if the present irregular and premature discntsl,u,)f the sl;b'
ject was pruceedtd in... • '

Mr. floaNTEn .was-auxious slat the present eov"
vergation, which was strictly regular, and arose alt of Oe
'notion of his Hoimtirable Friend, should nut, though tl;gt
tactics of the Honourable Member, he terminated witio
some reply front' the Chancellor of the Ecchequer to the
question last addressed 10 hint. —He .wished also to itrlo"'s
whether it was intended to take the ser:.e of t=ire House 4c
once upon- ReSolntions w Lich had pea-naps been fully 6'l"
cussed, and unanimously carried at Lord Liverpool's, but .0,
the grounds of which, or the justness of the reasunioi,;t; uri;e4
in their support, Pat harnent cauld htive no hausidcdp.
"Ikir.•;Sw TOSkt to order, but dive SPee-lizr C°"'
• .
sidered there wits no irregularity.
Mr. HOLNEts.Ligui.ji wkw
,gcp‘sideNti et, in-ctire
to he, to print Rest, utiosn;outuk.impartantvest,ion, previa!'
to Omit. discussion in Parliament.. This, lio,,sever, he did nutask.: he asked only fur teasonable and 'for full:
deration„ He NV a;i, also of °Onion that tire deliberations O.
that House umst be fettered, if publl.; measures vi-ere to bee
subjected to the inspection or certain Lords •sittin4 in \\ lift!'
halt, of the Articles prerious to their production in Parll.;'
meat.

The CHANCELL.oR of the EXCHEQUER ObsPrveoe
that the practice of printing il,csolations before taking.tLei
into cotssideration ?Il t. be necessary in • ditlicalt Linestio%'
but not upon a measure so simple as that which it w,03
tended to nopose relative to the Corn Jaws. (.iJeir, bear
Me. LoCKH ART said a tew wort:s itt justificat;oa
of the priority given to the discussion of the Corn Bill. .
,Mr. BA EllN'd, 41 reply, repeated his verstut6io3o
that theniode of proceeding now adopted was most Intie..o4o:
outs, and would bc.loolied at by_the country with the ,sreattO
jealousy.
The Motion was then put, and carried.
The I.leltone Election Bill was ordered, after some eurivr
sation, to be comioated to.morrow se'unight.
The other-Orileis were disposed of, and the IlOuSt.A'i9

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