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EVENING,_IIARCH 16, 1847

likely to advance in the progress of civilisation.—(Hear, hear.)
Ireland, according to Irish Members, had been retrograding
since the Union, but he had lately seen more and better pigs
and cattle imported into Liverpool than were brought
from Ireland twenty years ago. The fact was, Ireland had
improved within the last ten or twenty years mote than any
other country in Europe, and it was well known that those
who had a bright arid fair prospect before them inyaviably
complained mom than these who were sunk into the depths of
degradation.—( Hear, hear.) One Hon. Gentleman had that
afternoon told them that the Irish landlords had made
presentments of two sums of 86,0001. and 68,11101., being
2s. in the pound of the whole rental of the country ; but who
paid the money ? Why, the Fngliah Exchequer; so that it
was England that paid equal to 2s. in the pound of the rental
of the country.
Mr. W. S. O'BRIEN—Yes ; but the money is to be re•
paid.
_ _

Mr. ROEBUCK never trusted such repayments. One
'_C
hen,
again, paid down was worth twenty shillings promised. _Chen,
again, was said the landlords were ruined.

An How. MEMBER—No, no.
Mr. ROEBUCK —Well, if they were not, why didn't they
pay ?—( Hear and laughter.) They must either admit that
they were ruined and could not pay, or they must confess that
they were not ruined, and pay --( Hear, hear.) Another
mode of meeting Irish questions was the cry of " Let me
have a national party, then Ireland will be safe." They had
lately had a specimen of the " national party," and,
when the party met in Palace-yard, they found the
Hon. Member for Limerick, declaring he would have nothing
to do with their acts, and flying to the east, while Lord
Mounteashel. being of a similar wind, marched towards the
Treasury ; and w hat with some flying to the east. and others to
the west, two gentlemen were left to call themselves the " Na-
tional party of Ireland." Until sectarian differences were got
rid of he had no hope for a national party. Until he saw the
Hon. and Learned Member for the University of Dublin lying
quietly down with the Hon. Member for Cork, and he found
them united together in harmony and good fellowship upon all
points, he should have no faith in the truth or sincerity of their
reconciliation. But the fire of bigotry still smouldered in the
breast of the booms able and Learned Member for the
University of Dublin, and it might still break oat in all
the fury of 1810, or fifteen years ago, when the
Emancipation Bill was being agitated. The fire was not yet
dead. They had a proof of this the other day when tne Hon.
Member for Kinsale brom
zht forward a proposition to rend
away th- last ragged reninantof olden bigotry, when that fight
Hon. Gentleman and that party wno seemed to b• in xtasies for
the social improvement of Ireland, voted against it. The Noble
Lord the Member for Lynn, did the same. He begged the Noble
Lor is pardon. The Nord,. Lord displayed more liberality than
the rest, and recorded his vote in favour of the Bill.
Were not these frequent and significant instances of what was
now going on in Ireland ? And did they not show that the
good of Ireland was to be found, not in those hollow-hearted
coalitions and interested confederations, but in the good sense
of the English and Scotch people on this aide of the Channel?
He felt every hour the pressure from without with regard to
the condition of that country. He found that from every part
of the country they were asked how it was that a representa-
tive assembly like that—representing the working millions of
this great country—threw their shield over those who deserted
the duties of their situation, and abandoned the unfortunate
beings who had an undeniable claim on their protection and
support.—( Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Gentleman, the
Member for the University of Dublin, had been casting bout
for the motives which influenced him (Mr. Roebuck) in ex-
posing the criminal delinquency of the landlords of Ireland,
and set his conduct down to popularity hunting. He would
not stop to notice these imputations. He did not deny
that he sought his country's approbation, and he thought he
would take the most successful steps to obtain it by imposing a
stringent poor-law on Ireland, that would make the landlords
of that country understand their own interest, and discharge
their duties to their destitute poor.—( Hear, hear.) He would
ask the Hon. Gentleman ( the Recorder for Dublin) to meet
any portion of his countrymen, and he (Mr. Roebuck) would
meet any portion of his on this subject, and he had no hesita-
tion in saying that not a man in any town of England would
be found who would dare to oppose such a proposition.—( Hear,
bear.) And yet one half of it only had been sought to be
sanctioned by that House ; a partial application of it was
merely proposed, at present ; but as sure as the sun
would rise to-morrow—and he had no doubt of that—
(Laughter) —a long time would not elapse before
that measure would be carried out in all its entirety—a mea-
sure which was a great act of justice due to the Irish people—
due to them from England which bad too long neglected and
suffered their just rights to be withheld, and had too long
fostered the pernicious system which had tended to demoralise
them, and generate those social and moral evils to which Ire-
land was now a prey.—( Hear, hear.) And as he hope
that the real benefit which he anticipated from this measure
would be worked out for the country, he would support the
proposition of the Noble Lord, and it should be his future
object to show how inadequate for the relief of the present
evils of Ireland was that proposition, which he would now most
cordially support.—(Cheers.)
Colonel VERNER disapproved of the measure. It proposed
to be a Bill for the relief of the Irish, but ho believed it would
create greater. far greater evils than it purported to remove.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL said he was anxious to offer a few
observations in reply to the statements of many Hon. Members
who had addressed the House, as he understood it was not the
wish of the House that the debate should be adjourned.—
(Cries of " Hear, hear.") What he complained of
was, not that Honourable Gentlemen in this country
supported this poor-law for Ireland and sought the
approbation of their countrymen in doing so, but that in the
discharge of that duty they were in the habit of introducing
topics—and the system was very prevalent amongst the party
of which the Hon. and Learned Gentleman for Bath was a
member —for the sole purpose of aspersing Irish landlords.—.
( Hear, hear.) That was all be complained of, as he had, after
the most mature deliberation, come to the conclusion that the
measure was one which it was his duty to support. But the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman had been guilty of much in-
justice. First, he had spoken harshly of the conduct of the
Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Recorder of Dublin (Mr.
Shaw ). He (Mr. M. J. O'Connell) had, during the greater
period of his life, opposed the principles of the Hun. and
Learned Gentleman, but for nothing did he respect hint so much
as for his conduct on the Irish questions. which had come under
the consideration of the House during the present se,sion. He
respected him because he believed he had acted conscientiously,
and because he eonsidered he was promoting the advantage of
Ireland by the course he lad adopted. Hut whether they dif-
fered with the Hon. and Learned Gentleman or agreed with
him, he alike censured them ; in fact, he was as, apt illustration
of the drummer, who. finding the soldier whom he was punish-
ing did not relish its infliction. exclaimed, " Strike high or low,
nothing will please you." Though a man differed with him in
opinion, he should not use harsh terms towards him. Then he
attacked the Hon. Member for Limerick for the observations

he made, that he and others intended to vote against certain
portions of the measure, which was most unjust, then
it was borne in mind that bosh the Honourable
Member for Limerick (Mr. S. O'l3rien) and he, in-
tended to vote in favour of the out-door clauses. The
queition of rating divided itself into three breeches—rating
upon unions, upon electoral divisions, and upon smaller portions
of property, lie had heard many statements during the course
of the debate, but he confessed he had heard nothing which de-
served the definition of argument. lie was in favour of the
tenth clause, which propes. d union rating. and when the pro-
per time arrived, he should be ready to state his reasons for
doing so ; but if Hon. Gentlemen could show him that rating
smaller districts would benefit good landlords, arid not lead to
the confiscation of property, he should not hesitate to alter his
opinion. Many Hon. Members, in speaking on out-door, relief,
had made most extraordinary statements. There were two
provisions in the Bill—one for out-door relief to the helpless
poor, and, second, for affo, ding the same relief to the able •
bodied, which was opposed by many Hon. Gentlemen.; but
if either clause was to be viewed with apprehensiou—it was
the first—as there was considerable danger of its adding mate-
rially to the heavy burdens already imposed land, and of
opening a door of immorality and fraud. The Irish party who
had been styled the " happy family," had come to the conclu-
sion to oppose the clause which proposed to afford out-door
relief, for which he could not help exp essing his regret. It was
clear the calamity which had visited Ireland, would not pass soon
away, and therefore it was their duty to give a greater amount
of aid to the poor than they had heretofore given. It was cheaper
to pay rates than to allow a continuance of the existing distress.
To restrict it as much as possible to those who are bedridden,
helpless, and maimed from other causes. On the first clause
he had this objection. Such he might say of the second clause
but he was glad to say that there was a much better spirit than
had of late prevailed. It might be all very well for the Hon.
Member for Bath to say that they only agreed when there was
something to be got, but he was happy to say that on the pre-
sent occasion the agreement was for sonsething to be gotten for
Ireland, and he thought it was something worse than charity to
raise up the questions of sectarian differences and allege against
them those differences. He regretted that such a propliltnitnT,
had ever been made ; but if he talked of them, he
to the propositions of that Hon. Member with regard'l'otuo India.
With great respect for his talents, the still could not help
ing that if the same principle had been adopted with
conclusionrear.d to
Ireland, that he would come to a very different
Mr. CALLAGHAN would not enter into the several
questions which had been introduced to the House ou the une
before the House. He would simply confine bins elf to the
matter stated by the Noble Lord with respect to the relief to
be granted to the able •bedied poor outside of the house ; and
with regard to that he was desirous only of expressing his opi-
nion as to the power to be given, by the Reuse to the Magis-
trates for granting that relief. In his opinion that power was
excessive ; and he deeply regretted that any such power had
been conceded. For his ow npart, he could not but conceive
that such power would be mischievous in the extreme, and
likely to do anything than be of service to the Irish people.
He would 'ake the liberty of saying to the Noble Lord at the
head of the Government that he (the Noble Lord) had not
given any one reason why lie should increase tips ex-officio
guardians. It rri.gh, be very trite to say that electoral divisions
ought to be taxed, but the truth was, that these divisions sent
into the t owns the great bulk of theiriei iipr.a inu)aptn r
paupers. It
paupers.
t eI te The
xwcaeseNd
the
great object in Ireland to send
No-
ble Lord, to provide for this, said,
their
w that
ls. 3d. in the pound, the excess should be chargeable upon the
general union. The Noble Lord ought to knew that
the rate could never reach that height unless upon
the occasion of a general famine like the present
He thought that the rates for the poor ought to come as a
general charge on the country, and then the rate-payers wouldte
have a better control over the raising and expending of h
money. He adjured the Noble Lord not to listen to the voice
of one party or the other, and not to give to any but the rate.
payers the power of taxing for the relief of the poor,
Sir A. BROOKE wished to give his reasons for not giving
his assent to the measure proposed by the Noble Lord. He
thought that the systematic plan of having 800,000 or 900,000
people maintained out of doors by public works was one
most dangerous and fatal to the interests and character
of the Irish people. He did not see any security that the
poor would derive by their maintenance from the
satisfylrish him onpropert
property
generally.
He would, if the Noble Lord
could
these two points, be very much disposed to support the measure
before the House, but otherwise he should feel justified in
p
op-
posing it. He considered the present time was not the
time for such attacks as those made by the Flon.aßndighLteaprnino-ener
Member for Bath,
whose speeches contrasted
most
unfavour-
ably with the calm and temperate address of the
Gentleman the Secretary for Ireland, and the Noble Lord at
the head of the Government, in his statement of Friday
night last.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL begged leave to explain e-point
which had been omitted in his statement of Fridarnight e last,
and to which his attention had been drawn by a note
received from Lord Monteagle. In the interview he had had
with the deputation of Irish gentlemen when the subject of
the relief of the poor was brought under his (Lord John
Russell's) attention, they stated that they were willing to bear
any expense that might be required for the extension and
erection of workhouse accommodation, so as to admit of in-
door relief to the poor. His answer at the time was, that he
did not think the suggestion capable of being practically
carried into effects—( Hear.)
The House then went into Committee pro forma, and the
Bill was ordered to be re-committed on Friday next.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL observed, 011 the Chairman re-
porting progress, that he hoped there would be no renewal of
the debate on Friday.
QIIAINAGE (IRELAND) BILL.
This Bill was read a third time and passed.
GENERAL REGISTER HOUSE (EDINBURGH) BILL.
This Bill was read a second time, and ordered to b e corn-.
mated.

MUTINY BILL.
This Bill was also raid I woad time, vsd ordered to be
coammittul o 4 Think.

AGRICULTURAL TENANT RIGHT BILL.
On the motion that this Bill be committed,

Mr. STRIJIT suggested its postponement.
Mr. CRAVEN BERF-s:ELEY hoped they would not go
into Committee to-night, as he had a must decided objection
to certain portions of the Bib, which he intended strenuously
to oppose.
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK said that the Bill was one
which created the greatest possible alarm in the country, and he
trusted that the Hon. Gentleman would give a little more time
for its consideration. The nature of the Bill was one of a very
objectionable nature, and the country would require time to in-
vestigate it.

Ali:. E. DENISON said that a petition had been got up by
per,nns who had never seen the Bill, in order to &feat it.
'There was nothing in the Bill at all calculated to excite alarm
or annoyance

After 2 few words from Mr. ACKLAND and Mr. STAFFORD
O'BRIEN in support of the measure,
Sir J. YARDE BULLER hoped that the Hon. Gentleman
would consent to put off the Bill to a later day than Friday, in
order to give a better opportunits: fcr the reading of the Bill.
It was impossible to give it a fair reading and investigation be-
tween that time and Friday.
Mr. PUSEY said that in order to meet the wi-hes of Hon.
Members, he would postpone the Bill until Friday week.
The second reading of the Poor Relief Supervision (Ire•
land) Bill was then po:tporkd until Friday next.
The Earl of LINCOLN obtained leav • to bring in a Bill to
facil-tate the drainage of lands in Great Britain. fhe Noble
Lord said the object of the Bill was twotold. It was to
enable persons, without the enormous expense of a private Bill,
to take measures for draining their estates ; and secondly, to
allow them to take sites for the erection of mills and other
machinery for such purpose.
Mr. VESEY moved for aeccuhts of the amount of sums ap-
plied for at the various presentment sessions held between the
Ist day of October, 18-16, and the Ist day of" March, 1847,
specifying the various works, and distinguishing those for
p.iblie works and those for drainage; of the amount sanc-
tioned by the Treasury for each work ; of the amount ex-
pended on each work up to the 14 day of March, 1847 ; of
the sums actually paid to the labourers on each work, specify-
the nature of the work, whether done by tali or otherwise;
of the sums paid to the officers employed in carrying on the
var:ous works in each district, as well as the cost of the imple-
ments necessary for such works.—Agreed to.
Mr. WARD moved for and obtained leave to bring in a Bill
to empower the Commissioners of her Majesty's Woods to
purchase land for the purposes of a harbour of safety at Holy-
head, in the county of Anglesea ; and also mowed that Mr.
Ward, Admiral Dundas, Captain Herkeley. Mr. Bankes, Vis-
count Morpeth, Mr. Bernal, Mr. Christie, Sir James Graham,
Mr. Parker, Mr. Seymour, and five Members to be added by
the Committee of Selection, be nominated the Select Com-
mittee on the Portland Harbour of Refuge and Breakwater
Bill.

The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at One o'clock.

PARLIAMEMTARY BUSINESS.

(From the Votes and Proceeding, of the House of Comnwns.

MONDAY, MARCII 15.

The uncial-named Railway Bill was presented, read a firs'
time, and ordered to be read a second time :--

Glasgow. Kilmarnock, and Ardrossan (Amendment, De-
viations. and Branches, &c.)--" to enable the Glasgow, Kil-
marnock, and Ardrossan Railway Company to make certain
Branch Railways, and to make certain Deviations from the
line and levels of the said Railway, and to amend the Act
relating to the said Railway."
The following Railway Bills were read a second time, com-
mitted, and referred to the Committee of Selection :
Midland (Mangotsfield to Bath).

Glasgow, Paisley, and Greenock '(Branches at Port Glasgow),
Glasgow, Paisley, and Greenock (Branch to the Caledbnian
Railway and Diversion of Canal).
Parkgate and Chester and Birkenhead Junction.

STANDING ORDERS COIIIIIITTEE.
The following Resolutious were reported from the above
Committee :

1. That the Committee having considered the special
report made by the Examiners on the Kilmarnock and Ayr
Direct Railway petition, are of opinion that, with reference
to the facts therein stated, the standing orders have been
complied with; and that, with reference to the non-com-
pliance stated in,,the;report of the said Examiners, they are
of opinion that the standing orders ought to be dispensed
with, and that the parties be permitted to proceed with their
Bill, with the exception of that part which enables them to
make a Branch of about two furlongs in length, in order to
effect a junction between the Main Line and the proposed
Glasgow and Belfast Union Railway, and on the insertion of
a Clause, restraining them from taking, for the purposes of
the Branch Line to the Harbour of' Ayr, the properties
numbered 120, 122, and 123, in the parish of Newton-upon-
Ayr, and also from interfering with the roads numbered 119
and 121 in the same parish, without the consent of all parties
interested therein respectively.
2. That in the case of the Dublin Improvement petition,
the standing orders ought to be dispensed with :—That the
parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill, with the ex-
ception of those parts which enable them to purchase or take
by compulsion, either the property comprised in schedule
E) annexed to the Bill, or any property for the improve-
ment of any of the existing streets, lanes, or passages within
the borough of Dublin, or to vest, by compulsion, the Dubin
Royal Exchange, together with the powers, duties, rights,
and liabilities of the trustees thereof, in the Corporation of
Dublin.

3. That in the case of the Waterford, Wexford, Wicklow,
and Dublin Railway ( Repeal of Act) petition, the standing
orders ought to be dispensed with :---That the parties be
permitted to proceed NT ith their Bill on inserting the notices
for three successive weeks in seine newspaper published in
the county of Kilkenny.
That the Committees on the three preceding Bills do exa-
mine, in the first place, how fir such orders have been com-
plied with ; and do report the same to the House on the re-
port of the Bill.

4. That in the case of the Waterford and Limerick Rail-
way petition for leave to read the Bill a second time, the
sessional order ought to be dispensed with :—That the par-
ties be permitted to read their Bill a second time on giving
due notice thereof in the Private Bill-office.

5. That in the case of the Edinburgh and Northern Rail-
way ( Brat:ch from Burntisland to Dunfermline Branch, &c.
2) petition, for leave to deposit ke petition ter a Bill,
the standing orders ought to be dispensed with :—That the
parties be permitted to deposit a petition for a Bill to enable
the Edinburgh and Northern Railway Company to make
de►•iation and extension of their Branch Railway to Dun-
fermline, to make another Railway from their Strathearo
Deviation Railway to the Scottish Central Railway, and to
make an alteration in the manner of constructing the said
Branch and St rat !learn Deviation across certain ro.di and
the Ilalbeath Railway.

6. 'That. in the case of the Edinburgh and Glasgow, Monk.
land and Kirkintillock, Ballochney and Slamannan way,.
Amalgamation, Sale, or Lease petition, to read the Bill a
vecond time, the sessional order ought to be dispensed with :
—That the parties be permitted to read their Bill a second
time on giving due notice thereof in the Private Bill-office.
7. That in the case of the Gravesend Cemetery petition, for
leave to deposit a petition fora Bill, the standing orders ought
not to be dispensed with.
8. That in the case of the Great Western Railway
( Branch to join the West London Railway, Widening wird
Enlargement of the West London Railway, and Branches to
Hammersmith, and to join the London and South-Western
Railway near Lambeth) petition, for additional provision,
the standing orders ought to be dispensed with :—That the
parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill.
First, second, third, fourth, fifth, iath, and eighth resolu-
tions agreed to.—Report to lie on the table..

NOTICES GIVEN AT THE PRIVATE BILL-OFFICE.
The following Railway Bill is appointed to be read a
second time on Wednesday, March 17:—
York and Newcastle (Main Line Improvement, &c.)

DEATH of COLONEL GORE LANG-
TON, M.l'. FOR EAST' z-sOMERSETSIIIRE.
We have to record the decease of Colonel Gore Langton,
one of the oldest as well as one of the most distinguished
Members of the House of Commons. He expired on Sunday
last, at his residence in Grosvenor-square, in the 88th year
of his age, and after service as a legislator since the year
1815. This gentleman's name has been familiar in political
circles owing to his determined opposition to the corn-laws.
Though one of the largest landed proprietors in the kingdom,
he was the greatest enemy of protection, which he considered
to be as detrimental to the cause of agriculture as to that of
commerce. Though suffering from extreme bodily debility
during the greater part of last session, he went down to the
House, or rather he was carried there, to vote for the second
reading of Sir Robert Peel's free-trade measures. He ob-
served on the occasion, that " He would give his vote though
he should die in the lobby." Colonel Langton was also a
prominent supporter of the Reform Bill, the Roman Catho-
lic Relief Bill, and other measures of a liberal tendency. The
deceased gentleman has died one of the wealthi:st commoners
in England. Ile was the eldest ,on of William Gore Lang-
ton, Esq., of Newtown Park, who assumed the name and
arms of Langton, in addition to those of Gore, on his mar-
riage with Miss Langton. Ile was twice married, and had
four children. He is succeeded by his grandson, Mr. Lang-
ton, who married, a short time since, Lady Anne Grenville,
daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Buckingham. Colonel
Langton for many years held the command of the Oxford

The works on the Avignon to Marseilles Railway
are approaching their termination. The long tunnel of thy
Nert he is so far advanced that the opening of the line may
be looked for in November. The execution of the iminenst
works on this line will render, it is said, a loan necessary.
MENDICANCY IN BELGIUM.--411 consequence of
the overwhelming influx of mendicants from Flanders into
Brussels, the government came to the resolution of removing
them all.back to their respective communes. The Brussels
journals of the 6th present a mournful picture of this opera-
tion. At six in the morning of that day upwards of 1,000
of these poor creatures were marched out by the gate lead-
ing to Halle, escorted by gendarmes and other policemen,
the sick and infirm being put into three large waggons. The
crowd assembled to view this sad procession were painfully
affected by the sight of so. many wretched beings, among
whom were feeble men in the last stage of life, women and
young children incapable of helping themselves.
SiNnan No SAILOR.—IVe are every day disproving
the wisdom of the ancients ; whatever Sinbad might have
been in the "Arabian Nights," he is evidently no sailor in
these days. The crew of the Sinbad, provision vessel, en-
gaged in distributing biscuit on the Irish coast, have made
a report to the admiral of the station that their Sinbad is no
sailor—indeed, is hardly sea-worthy with the quantity of
biscuit she has on board, dealing in rolls as she does on her
own private account. They confess that she labours hard in
the service in which she is engaged, but she allows her feel-
ings to be almost too much for her, indulging in them to a
terrible pitch now and then, indeed being quite ungoverna-
ule. Again, some of the crew are fearful that in some of her
antics they shall leave her in the lurch, by rolling overboard.
We have heard that the Sinbad is one of Sir %Villain Sy.
mond's build. (Query ?) Would it not be well to s, nd for
the "surveyor" to Ireland to survey the vessel—and the
biscuit ?---Nurtfical Standard.

WATERLOO.—" What did you think of Waterloo ?"
I inquired of an old fellow I found one morning digging in
my garden, where he had been hired to assist by the lazy
head gardener. " Think of it, said the old crab, stopping
and leaning upon his spade, " I thought it hell upon
earth. 1 was utterly deaf with the continued roar of
artillery on one side or the other, and the sound of
the musketry of the men beside me. I could not see
my companion's face for one minute (as he stood next me)
for the thick smoke; and the next I found him choking,
fetching, and vomiting in the agonies of death,
and clutching my very feet. Sometimes a shot went
tearing through our ranks, and almost shaking the part of
the square where I had been for some hours standing, seem-
ing to loosen our files as it knocked the poor fellow's head
over heels, like nine-pins on a bowling gr en ; and then we
heard the familiar tones of the old colonel, to prepare for
cavalry, as those devilish Cuirassiers poured upon us, and we
were wedged together into a wall of iron again to receive
them. That is all I know about my feelings, Sir," said the
old soldier. "It was a terrible sight and awful to look upon.
It was hell upon earth," he muttered, as he resumed his
spade, and commenced digging with fearful energy.—United
Setiicc Igaiaain4