The Sun.
London, England, 1841-02-25 00:00:00

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attributed to Lim, and to no one elte.—(llcar.) Wha',
tine, had Lees the conduct of her Majesty's Ministers ?
( Hoar ) Had thy exerted their legitimate authuri•y t
i do..vn tl at agitLf ?—(lle tr.) It was true that tl e
L".rd Lieutenant (Lord Ebriegton) bad recently thclared
• that be would not countenance by his paronage any person
who avowed Lirrisclf fay.iurable to the Rival of the
union. But what had been the actual conduct of the
Government in respect to patronage?—(llear.) The
Hon. and Learned Member for Liskeard had said that pa-
tronage was the powerful instrument by which all popular
leaders were to be couci!iated.—(Cheers and laughttr.)
It certainly appeared to be the tneans to which her Ma-
', sty's Ministers resorted to put down the repeal agitation.
—(Cheer<.) In 1832 the lion. and Learned Meatle: for
Dublin brought forward a motion for the Repesl of the
Union, and thirty-eight gent:erten voted for the Re-
peal. He (Sir James Graham) would just read
to the House how many of those popular lenders
had bean caneFiated by the delightful recite of the for..
and Lt arned Member for Liskeard ?---(Checre.) Erf.,
there was Mr. Fi•z-irnon, a neat relative to the lion. and
Liar. ed Member fir Dublin, who was appointed clerk to
the Hanaper office in Dublin.—(Cheers from Ile Opp:-

Mr. HUM E—What is the date of the appointment ?
Sir J. GRAHAM had not got the date, bat he had no
doubt that the Noble Lord opposite could supply it,—
(Cheers and a 1 tugh ) Next was Mr. Keanedy, formerly
Member for Tiverton,, whom the Nal:: Lord secaceded
in his scat in that Houtc—(Laughter)—arid who lad
since been apps ietad to the effice of Slave Cornnrivsioner
at lisvannale—(Chesrs.) The next was Mr. Lynch, now
a Master in Chancery in England.—( Elear, br ar, hear.)
Mr. Morgan O'Connal, appointed a clerk i t the Regis-
trar's Office, in the Court of Chancery, Dublin. Then
there was Mr. O'D.vyer, appointed to an office In the
Court of Exchequer in Ireland ; and next was
the appointment of Mr. Fitzsimon, which was still in
abeyance.—(Ct.eers and a laugh.) Then came the gen-
tleman who acted as teller upon that occasion, and was
now the Vice-President of the Board of 'Trade._
(Cheers.) Then last, bat not least, in his (Sir James
Graham's) esteem, came the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man the Member ter Dublin himself—(Much cheering)_
who last year announced, in his place in that House, Wet
the office of Chief Baron had been offered to him, and he
had refused because, he said, he could rot trust hire-
self, and he would run no risk, lest justice should be vio.
lated in his person.—(Hear, hear.) Ile (Sir J. Graham)
thought the avowal did the Hon. and Learrel Gentleman
honour, and he made a note of the gratifying and pleasing
compliment which he paid to the Ministers who made him
the offer.—(Cheers and a laugh.) But the Noble Lord
opposite, the Secretary fa- the Colonies, had once boldly
and truly declared, that not the a istocracy alone, but the
pool lc also, had their parasites, and panders, and their
slaves. He ( Sir J. Graham) had read welt satiafaeriat: the
Noble Lord's address to his constituents at Stroud,
in which he declared that " be would not be the person to
lift the anchors of the monarchy, when the signs of the
storm were black in the horizon. "—(Cheers.) lie (Sir
J. Graham) thought there were times w
hen compromise
was a diagrace and silence was dishonour—(Clasers)—
end he hoped before this debate closed, be would hear
from the Nobls Lord what were his intentions.—(Hear,
hear.) Was he disposed to extend the franchise, and to
lower property before numbers? Had he read the cor-
respondence of Earl Fitz william with Mr. Marshall? Did
the Noble Lord believe with Mr. Marshall that the revo-
lution of 1832 had not been consummated, and that the
Reform Bill had failed, because it had not given the
people bread?—(Elear, hear.) Did the Noble Lord also
believe that the war was at hand and was inevitable, in
which both the aristocracy and the Crown would be
swept away I—(Cheers.) He thought they were en-
titled to know what were the Noble Lord's iotentions
on these matter=, end whether he intended to make fur-
ther concessions and further advances in that line.—
(Cheers.) Let the Noble Lori speak frankly now, nod
appeal to the people, lest it might be said hereafter that he
slush el is office the honour of his Administration, and that
he was contented to govern when be had ceased to command
the confidence of the nation.—( Loud cheers from the
Opposi.ior.) For his part, be (Sir J. Graham) was moat
anxious to consolidate constitutional reform, and he was
resolved to resist the advance of those democratic move-
ments. He clung to the measure of Lord Grey as the
beet security against them. On that ground he had sup-
ported it is 1832, and be then recorded his opir isn that it
was suffix to satisfy all reasonable demands.—(Loud
cries of " Hear, hear.") He regarded it as the
best safeguard against that restless spirit of innovation
which contentel itself with nothing lets than the over-
throw of all our institutions, and of the Throne Itself.—
( Hear.) On that ground he was determined to stand by
the Reform Bill, and to improve its provision=.—( Cheers
from the Reform bcnchet.) He was ready to remedy the
admitted gr;evances of the registration system. He stood
by the Reform Act, willing to improve its provision', and
to regulate its operation, but he was resolved to guard
the franchise, and, above al', to resist alterations such es
those which I am convinced must end In universal sof-
frage—( Hear, hear)—and ovembrow and degrade this
mighty nation to the level of a turbulent democracy.--1-
(Cheers.) In a word, he wished to state his creed in a
few line., which he thought were worthy of their great
author:

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g. When ancient fabrics nod and threat to fall,
To patch tat it flaws and buttress up their walle,
Thus far 'tis good ; but there to fix the mark,
For all le?yond it, is to touch the ark.
To change fout da' ions cast the frame anew,
Is work for rebels who Iwo c his pence."
The Right Hon. Baronet resumed his seat amidst loud arid
prolonged cheers.
Mr. SHIEL said that the Right Hoc. Baronet who
hnd just addressed the Howe had risen after a speech dis-
ai iguistsed by Ls ability, delivered by the Hole Gentle .
man the Member for Liikeard; and yet to that speech,
alluding to a diversity of the most important matters,
although that speech contained more than a reply—a ie-
futatian in his (Mr. Shiel's) humble judgment—of many
things advanced by the Right Hon. and Learned Mem-
bea fsr Exeter; amid although that speech presented mat-
ter deserving indeed of the most serious-.-would he Le
permitted to add cf the most solemn race:ion—di)
Right Honourable Gentleman whs had just set dov.e
scarcely mlverted to any of the topics which the Hon.
Me,nber for Liskcard had discussed—(Cheers)—bet en
turning—he hoped he would pardon him for saying se—
with the prove:bial animosity of conversion_( Hear, hear) .
—to the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary at War,
whose speech he bad bad an opportunity of poring over in
his nocturnal meditations, • he pounced on that Right
Hon. Gentleman'a criticism, fromawhich he (Mr. Steal)
thought he ought to have abstained, when he bore in mind
that the Right Hon. Gentleman had been his o:lleaguo
and his auxili try in the tuest eventful timer, and that ho
had co-operated with him when the Right Hoe. Baroret
was the advocate of that very Ballot which he had that
night denounced.—(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Raroat •
bail spoken of an address to the electors of Stroud. fie
( Mr. Shiel) remembered a speech at Stroud, and
in that speech it had been stated that the Right
Honourable Baranet was a Member of a Committee
which had agreed to the Ballot.—(Loud cheers on the
Ministerial benches.) He now defied the Right Hon
G ntleman to contradict him. He said that in a speech
at Stroud. The Noble Lord, the Secretary for the Cc-
lenie,, stated that there was a Committ• e of five persons
appointed, to whom the project of framing the Reform
was committed. He stated that the First Lord cf. the
Adrni:alty ( Sir J. Graham) was one of that Committee,
and be further stated that that Committee had agreed to
the Bill it.—( Loud cheers. He (Mr. Shiel) said, there-
foie, that the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir J. Graham)
ought to bear in mind that he was the colleague of a man
distinguished—he did not exaggerate when he said,
by his matchless eloquence—in defence of the came
of Reform, while the Right Honourable Gentleman
—he used the elpression of the Noble Lord—shrunk from
his duty. The Right Hon. Gentleman then remained
silent, or in one instance only during the whole Issitation
of the Reform Bill departed fLom his prudent taciturnity,
when lie compared the swamping of the Lords to the su-
mersion of the Royal George.—(Tremendous cheering.)
The Right Hon. Gentleman had done him (Mr. Skier)
the honour to alvert to him. He (Mr. Shiel) could not
te surprised at it, and he could not complain of the manner
i a which the Right Hen. Gentleman had done so, espe-
cially when he remembered the way is which he bad
been in the habit of adverting to his former
friends.—(Loud cheers.) He (Mr. Shiel) remembered
in 1831, a speech made by the Rght Non. Gentleman en
Sir James Scarlett, and how did he represent bin?
Ho
called him ,‘ a renegade Whig."—(Loud )anTobr.
Right Hon. Baronet might call him (Mr. 6bl
d gentleman to
re;ealer, if he liked, when he designated
whom he sei I he was attached,
be
a (Great cheering.)
which he surely must now deeply' feL
almost too personal
He would turn from topics, perhspea,;atie?hraase the forte of
ataleast some excuse for Lie
( Hear, hear)—in which the H
had gone too far, there was ! would feel, that if he
ighaion. Gentleman
subject from which he thought the
away.
He would turn
aFriend, and the Bill of the Noble
having done so. He would_ turn
utarhne
Right
those topics to the
had lel tl eir ;attention orn
for No,th Lancashire.
If it • were said
Lord the Member
his Noble Friend was at variance with the
that the Bill f
to the 1311 of his Noble
quite consistent with that spiri•
whiche (e d t
nh
co)
.._(Hear,
Noble Lord was
woTstitacilmesp
That Bill left the question of the franchise as it
general spirit ofa Refor•n Act, of course, the Bill of the
hear.)
rather, it involved it in perplexities still more barrette--
eo sf et
hwhich
franchisesur rouhnyd surrounded
means it now—it
acquisition
ordieary claimant could he expected to surmount ; and by
miens of an annual revision—let the House mark it—for
matters antecedent to the register, it worried and molested
the voter out of the enjoyment of his privileges;
17rnags,tbran those
and by these expedients, so discordant with the
purposes of the Reform Bill, it contracted • and
narrowed the already wasted and shrunk constituencies
of Ireland. This appeared to llon. Gentlemen opposite;
and to the Right Hon. Baronet, among others, to be cone
ni,tent with the spirit of the Reform Bill. Let them on
the contrary define the franchise, and they would then re,
move the doubts and difficulties founded on questions of
value. They would suppress fraud and perjury, and estab-
lish a qualification independent of the oath of the claimant,
and facilitate the acquisition of the franchise by tbo legi-
timate claimant, while they created a criterion for the qua&
fication of a fixed and permanent nature, which would protect
the voter when he had acquired the franchise by legitimate
means from lei ng perpetually harassedand tormented. He
believed that the Bill of his Noble Friend would raise tile
character of the Irish constituencies, and would teed to
increase the wealth, prosperity, and remuneration, social,
'
political, and moral, of an intelligent people.—( Cheera.)
These, however, appeared to Hon. Gentlemen opposite,
.
objects at variance :with the general spirit of the Re-
form Bill. Ho (Mr. Shiel) was of a contrary opinion.
He regarded the measure of his Noble Friend as one by.
which the true spirit of the Reform Bill might be readily,
carried into effect. He regarded it as a means of fortify-
ing the Reform Act against any future and not improbable
assaults of the Noble Lord opposite.—(Hear.) Ho
regarded it as the means of allaying that ferment which
now prevailed in Ireland, and of securing the confidence
and attachment of the people at a time while they might
have needed them ; and by doing which, he did not he-
sitate to reply in the words of his Hon. Friend the Mem-