The Sun.
London, England, 1847-12-15 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, WEDNESDAY EIVENING, DECEMBER 15, 1847.

" expectants," and the " expect ants" are not pledged to a
measure as the "ins and outs" are, but he had neglected to
make that selection which he should have done with a
regard to the industry and condition of the people of
the country.—(Hear, hear.) The Chancellor of the
Exchequer had referred in his speech to two railway
directors upon the Committee as being the employers of
labour but they were employers of labour in companies.
Give him (Mr. Wakley) the man who was himself the
employer of labour, who superintended his own
workmen, who was present on the Saturday nights
and knew the difficulty of " handing" out the "needful"
to his workmen. These were the men to place upon a
Committee such as this. He (Mr. Wakley) had stated
the Hon. Member for Birmingham was a person who
had conducted his own business in a manner which had
obtained for him the greatest credit and repute ;
he was a man of undoubted honour and integrity,
a man respected by those who knew him
in private life, and there was also a large class of
peoplein the country who believed that there was no
man in the country who understood the subject better
than he did.—(Hear, hear.) He had placed the name
of the Hon. Gentleman upon the paper without consulting
him, and after his name was on he (Mr. Mentz) ix-
pressed his regret that he bad done so, and stated his in
tention of not serving upon the Committee. He (Mr.Wak
ley)helieved that he had since relinquished that intention,
and was now prepared, should the House think fit to
adopt his name, instead of that of the Hon. Member
for Montrose, to sit upon the Committee. In proposing
the name of that Hon. Member, he thought that he
would prove useful, dignified, and ornamental—
(Laughter)—should he be placed upon the Committee.
Mr. HUME thought it right that he should stand
before the House and country as not shrinking from any
duty which devolved upon him. It was quite true that
he was not so young as he once was; but it was not on
account of his age that he declined to serve. He felt
that he was as much able to pet form the duties of a Com-
mitteeman as he ever we.. He had a conscientious reason
for declining to serve on a Committee to whom was to be
handed over a system of currency to legislate upon as
difficult and as useless as to legislate for the motion of
the stars.—(Hear, hear.) One of his great objections
to the Bank of England was that that institution was
to be made the great bill-broker of the country. Radi-
cally, therefore, they were wrong in fixing the
amount of capital upon which they were to
trade as such. He objected to the Government having
anything to do with the Bank of England upon any
other terms than any other banking house. Was it not
most preposterous that .a Government like this should
have to borrow money, its 6 or 7 millions from the Bank,
for the purpose of paying its dividends? If by any un-
forseen difficulties the Bank had been unable to advance
the money, the Chancellor of the Exchequer would not
have had a shilling to pay the dividends. There was a
growing conviction, both in this House and out of it,
that monopoly and restriction were the bane of com-
merce. Was not banking a portion of commerce ? If
so, why, then, should restrictions be placed upon the
banking transactions of the Government ?—(llear, heer.)
He objected therefore to go into Committee, because
he saw that they were going away' frein the
root of the evil. For the last ; Lthirty years-
the Government of the country ,tad-- cudgel-
voured to legislate for commerce, and ,what -had been'
the result but the loss of millions ,ancl millions te--
the country? The Government pliced • upon the Bank..
a duty which it was not possible far' human 'nature to
perform. The Government had. robbed them- Of their:
capital, and how was it poesible tor"thene :to-supply
the country with the necessary aecominodalion 2
The Bank of England egreed-to atisierree, In the . ear
1830, the sum of 13,000,000i,‘ for the "purchase of the
" dead weight." At that.titne the Baerk had no Capital,
but purchased that " deadeweight"ecut -of -the:, depteits
entrusted to them. Up to this time the -Bank had been - 1
trading with capital; the Government had it all,- ate:
they bad nothing,,,,Lettee. &hi t' reit," etceettade -upon
The Bank of Engtend. weselitereller batrkrnese theouefee
the conduct of the Government, and he most decidedly
objected to going into Committee for the purpose of
continuing this evil.—(Laughter.) A short time since
the deposits at the Bank were 20,000,0001., and the whole
reset-so of their notes amounted to 1,150,000 L. and even
that sum was divided over thirteen branch banks,
one of which most strangely advanced 40,0001.
to save another bank of issue in the north. Nee,
suppose all these other breech banks .had done
the same, where would hate been the credit of the
Bank? %y it would have beenp gone, and a cheque
for 10,000 L might have brought the whole matter to a
crisis.—(Hear, hear.) And yet it was at this period
that the Government stepped in against law
to authorise the issue of money-notes, for which
it would have been possible to have obtained
gold in payment. It was, fortunate that these things
were not attended at the time by any serious result ; but
was it not preposterous that the country should be placed
at the mercy of such an institution ?—(lleges, hear.) Ile
would pledge himself to prove to the House, if they
would refuse to appoint this Committee, that in New
York there had not been any single bank of issue
which had made any default. and they were
entirely free from any legislative interference whatever.
He had no hesitatiou in saying that the whole of the
banking policy of the Government, and even of that.
House, had been under the control of Mr. Jones Loyd, and
it was high time some change was iutroduced into the sys-
tem. The fallacies of Mr. Jones Loyd ought to be alien.
Aoned, but this could not be done if this Committee were
agreed to, and therefore it was that he opposed it.
He remembered. Mr. Jones Loyd was examined before
the Committee of 1940 till he was exhausted, and
then he (Mr. Ilume) asked f.r • leave to examine
him.—(Hear, and laughter...) And if the House would
read the answers that Mr. Jones Loyd gave to his
qui.stions, they would be convinced of the absurdity
of the present system of banking in this country.—
(Hear, hear.) The question of the corn-laws was of
secondary importance, as compared with the banking
quiistion; but now that they had established freedom of
trade in corn, the least they could do was to allow free-
dom 'of trade in banking. Act, however, as the house
would, of this he was convinced, that freedom of trade
must always prove of no utility whilst there was no free-
dom in banking.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. CARDWELL did not rise to complain of the
proptsal to strike his name off the Committee, but to
read to the House au extract from a speech which Mr.
Horner delivered in that House, in 1811, to show that
every member of the Committee of 1810 was open to
foilowavhat course he thought proper, and best calcu-
lated to elucidate his own views and opinions. With regard
to himself, all he could say was that ii the House preferred
substituting the name of the Hon. Member for South
Lancashire for his own be would most cheerfully resign
his pretensions to any seat ie the Committee.
Mr. STAFFORD rose to protest against the insinua-
tions which the Hon. Member for Finsbury had thrown
out against Mr. Jones Lcyd, and at the same time to deny
that the banking policy either of the present or the late
Government was ever under the control of thatgentleinan.
He knew nothing personally of Mr. Jones Loyd, but he
was sure, from wnat he had seen of him as chairmen o

-the late Irish Relief Committee, that he did not meri,

the aspersions which the Hon. Members fur Finsbury
and Montrose bad attempted to cast upon him.—(Hear.)
Mr. J. B SMITH, amidst same coalusion, and cries
of " Oh, oh," and " Divide, divide," protested agAiust
placing so many Members upon the Committee.
After a few words from Mr. FoustEs and Mr. HERRIZS,

Mr. PATTISON said he had no wish to serve on this
Committee, because he could see nu good that was likely
to result from its appointment. lle did not agree with
the Bill of 1844, and he was firmly convinced that
if the Right Honourable Baronet the Member for
Tamworth were again at the head of the Government he
would be the first to propose an alteration in it.—
(Cheers.) He repeated that by appointing this Com-
mittee they were only burking the real question at issue,
and therefore he must object to serve upon it. The Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer knew his opinions upon this
subject, and no doubt it was this knowledge that induced
Rica to omit his name from the Committee.
Tho CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
understood to say it was not so.
The names of the Chancellor of the Exchequer. Lord
John Russell, Sir Robert Peel, Lord George Bentinck,
Mr. Herrie::., Mr. Goulburn, and Alderman Thompson,
were agreed to.

On the name of Mr. Labouchere being proposed,
Lord GEORGE BENTINCK moved that Mr. La-
bouchere's name be excluded, and the name of Mr.
Bastie substituted.

Mr. HASTIE was understcod to object to serve.
Mr. LABOUCHERE was sure the Noble Lord did
not propose the omission of his name from a want
of courtesy towards him, but of course he could
not object to serve ou the Committee, and he must,
therefore, leave the matter in the hands of the House.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment 77
Against it
Majority in favour of Mr. La-
bouchere's name -117
The House then divided on the amendment, that
Mr. Brown should be placed on the Committee in the
room of Mr. Cardwell—when there appeared
For the original motion
For the amendment lOl
Majority in favour of Mr. Card-
well's name
Mr. BOUVERIE complained that, owing to the door
of one of the lobbies *having been closed, he, and others
who intended to have voted with him, were debarred
from carrying out their intentions.
The SPEAKER said the door of the House was open,
and declared that the division, as it stood, was final.
The Deputy Sergeant-at-Arms was, however, directed
by the Right Hon. Gentleman to ascertain if any Hon.
Members were in either of the lobbies.

Mr. Clementson, the Deputy-Sergeant, left the
House, and, after the lapse of a few minutes, returned to
the table, and reported that no Hon. Members were in
the lobby.
Mr. WAKLEY retracted the expressions which he
had made with reference to Mr. Jones Loyd, as they
were erroneous, and regretted that he had cast asper-
cons upon a gentleman who was not in that House to
defend himself.
haMd u with ried OSB ORlto M
NE also withdrew
Lloyd.ithdrew the expressions he
Mr. HUME respect
(w oae name stood next) hoped the House
would excuse him f
la the Committee. The Hon.
Gentleman then left the
UThe CHANCELLORofutshee. EXCHEQUER trusted
they would have the benefit of the services of the lion.
Member. He hoped,therefore,
pHottliscealwlyoudledelcaroend-
sent to his appointment.
Several HoN. MEMBER* here theme
ha
that the Hon. Member had distinctly stated that he de-
clined to serve upon the Committee?'
The House then divided, when there appeared
For Mr. Hume's name .............. 188
Against it . 97
Majority __E....9 I, 4.. ,
, .
We found, on our re-aamissprs.,

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VV 'AILEY declaring that it appearatrtoidhiml
that it was the intention of the Governmentin;iprestitg
.1)^1

the appointment of Mr. Hume, after ho had declined to
-erve, in the robin of Mr. Nluntz, that they were deter-
mined that there should be no amendment to their
nomination; he, therefore, felt it his duty reluctantly to
move that the debate be adjourned.
Colonel SIBTHORP seconded the motion. The
conduct of the House in this matter could not fail to be
reprobated out of doors.
Lord J. RUSSELL considered that the Hon. Member
for Finsbury had misunderstood his Right Hon. Friend.
His Right Hon. Friend did not wish to press the election
of Mr. Home against his will. He considered it was the
wish of the Hon. Member for Montrose to leave the
matter in the hands of the House. He was
willing to accede to the names proposed by other Mem-
bers, if it was the wish of the Hcuse. If, after his
appointment, Mr. Hume positively declined to continue a
member of the Committee, the Government would be
ready to accede to the appointment of the Hon. Member
or Birmingham.
Dr. BOWRING thought the statement of the Hun.
'elember for Montrose might he appropriately termed a
aolo episcupat i.—(Cries of " Oh, oh.") That certainly
was his impression, namely, Out he would serve if the
House thought proper ta eh et him.—(No, no.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
had no objection to the election if Mr. Mentz if Mr.
flume should dee•line.—(Hear, hear.)
Lord G. BENTINCK hoped the Hon. Member for
Finsbury would not persist in his motion.
Mr. ANSTY said Mr. Hume stated to him that he
should not serve upon the Committee. He should sup•
neert the election of Mr. Iduritz in the room of Mr.
Wilson.
Sir R. PEEL thought the House ought not to
part lightly with the privilee which it possessed
If electing Hon. Members to serve upon Committees.
lie had voted fur the piecing of Mr. Hume upon the
Committee. He could assure the House that the last
.hing in his mind was any intention to exclude either
Mr. Muntz or Mr. James Wilson from the Committee,
as he considered that the attention which Mr. Muntz
had paid to the subject well fitted him to tske
a part in the proposed inquiry ; and he also
thought that it would be desirable to have the Scotch
banking represented either by Mr. Hastie, the Member
tbr Glasgow, or Mr. Hastie, the Member for Paisley.
But he did not understand the Honourable
Member for Montrose to express a positive in
tention to withdraw if he was appointed, and
considering the lung period of his labours, that he had
stated to-day that his age formed no impediment:to the
faithful performance of his public duties—considering,
further, the disinterestedness of his public labours,
he thought his election a just compliment of the
House that he was he every way qualified to
take a part in such an inquiry ; but if he should wish
to withdraw, he should be willing to support the appoint-
ment of Mr. Misfit! ; or it Mr. Muntz was proposed he
should feel very much inclined to vote for him.—(Hear.)
Fle thought it would be well for them to abide by the
decision to which they had come until the Hon. Gentle-
man had signified his intention to withdraw.—(Hear.)
Mr. VALLEY withdrew his motion.
The House again divided on the motion that Mr.
llenle)'s name should be substituted for that of Mr.
'Ricardo, when there appeared—
. For Mr. Ricardo 's name
Against it
Nluje•rity —67

An HON. Miaisia complained that ao few country
vntlemen had bf.en nominated.

.Mr. OSBORNE then proposed that the name of Mr.
,GV;} should be excluded, and tha name of Mr. Rey-
nolds, Member for Dublin, substituted. He did not
knoW whether it was competent for him to move the
subotituifon of Mr. Reynolds' name, but there could be
'no,cloubt that he was perfectly in order in moving the
expulsion Of Mr. Glyn's name.
Lord G. B&NTINCK said there could be no dcubt that
Mr... Glyn <was a otrong Whig, but still he was a most
coropete;44nan to serve on this Committee, and he honed
'the motion of the Hon. Member for Middlesex would not
be persevered in.

Mr. REYNOLDS would certainly not serve on the
Committee if his natn4 was to be substituted in lieu of
that of so eminent en authority upon monetary and
commercial tnatters as Mr. Glyn. lie must, at the same
time, express. his opinion that Ireland was not. fairly
and properly represented in this Committee. No country
had sulfered more from monopily in banking than
Ireland, and she ought, tl.erclore, to have been more
fairly represented.
After a 1, w woi di from Mr. I). CALLAGHAN, who
expressed himself satisfied with the Committee as it
originally stood, the motion was withdrawn, and Mr.
Glyn's Leine was agreed to.
On the question that Sir William Clay's name be
agreed to,

Lord G. BENTINCE moved, as an amendment, that it
be excluded, and Mr. Putteson's name substituted.
After a few ords from Mr. PATTISON, who said
he had no wish to s,,rve, the House divided, when there
appearcd—

For the alcelidtuelat

Agairstit

152

Majority for Sir Win. Clay... -30
Mr. ANSTY ruoviAl that the nomination of Mr.
Thorndy hepo*tpoed until a future time.
The galleries were cleared, but no division took place,
the motion having been withdrawn.
The other names were then agiced to. The Coca-
tnittce gtands six originally proposed by the Government.
SaTINGS AFTER TWELVE O'CLOCK.

Mr. BROTHERTQN. proposed ,tl7atwhe;;;; new
business is brought un after twelve o'clock at night, if it
be moved and seconded that the debate on such question
ho adjourned, the Sinfaker should immediately declare the
&bate adjourned, without putting the question to the vote.
He said he had, in making. the motion, the health of the
Speaker and the House in view. He simply wished de-
bates to be adjourned at twelve o'clock, without dis-
cession, hut he did not wish his motion to apply to
business which was coaemenced before twelve, and
Which extended beyond that hour. Wednesday sittings.
had proved most successful, and he concluded that they
would do well to go back to the times of their ancestors,
who met at noon to rise at six. The business was better
transacted during the day than night.
Dr. BO WRING seconded the motion.

Mr. EIVART complained that the motion of his Hon.
Friend did nut go fur enough, and proposed as an amend-
ment that the House should meet every thy from twelve
to six. Tide would give them sufficient time to transact
the public business efficiently, and would not withdraw
Hon. Members li.ow their respective domestic circles.
He should not press him motion to a division.
Sir GEORGE GREY opposed the motion, as he
considned it would put it .in the power of
any two Members to adjourn the House during
an important dei-ute on a subject which admitted of no
delay. Sitting every day would prove most inconvenient.
The Hon. Geutleuian had dune much good service in
adjourninu debate.; ut la'e hours, and lie hoped ho would
exercise his power whenever he found due occasion.
Lord G. BENTINCIC said, the subsistence of the
Hon. Gentliniun on a vegetable and water diet had led
him to believe that the best way to live long was to ab-
stain fru:,u late hours; but he could nut forget the words
of the song—

best of all ways to kngthen our days
Is to steal a few hours from the night, my boys."
Sir IL WILLOUGHBY suggested that there should
be a standing older that no Member should speak longer
than half an hour.

Mr. BROTHERTON would press his motion to a
division; Le once possessed some influence in that
llougo with respect to Ldjourning debates, but of late
years he ha,i not bee❑ able to catch the Speaker's eye.
The House divided, when their appeared—
Po.- the motion

Against it .
tilujority
O'GORNIAN MAHON stated that he and several
Irish Members were deliberating in one of the Corn-
tnittee-rooms, and when the bell rang for a division they
hastened thither but found the door closed and they
were consequently shut out. He thought this rather
discourteous.
Sir G. GREY replied that as soon as strangers had
left the House, the Sneaker was bound to put the
question, before which. the -doors were closed. He
was sure there was no intention to exclude the Hon.
Member and his friends.—(Hear.)
The House adjourned at live minutes to Six.

CRIMINAL CO URT.-( THIS DAY.)
OLD COURT.
The case of William Newton Altai& (cont:flued from our

Afternoon Edition.)
Mr. BILLITINIS addressed the jury for the prisoner,
resting his defence mainly upon the ground of insanity.
H• called 1)r. Edward Henry Paine, brother-in-law
and medical attendant of the prisoner's father,
who, the witness stated, was subject to disease
of the brain, and died quite raving mad.
Other members of the father's family were
subject to affections of the brain. From his obser-
vation of the prisoner, and knowledge of his habits and
constitution he considered him partially insane, and he
believed he would become more so. Mr. Croucher, sur-
geon to the county gaol of Derby. had attended the pri-
soner, and confirmed the opinions of the last witness.
Dr. Dewsbery, of Clapton, had also attended the pri-
soner, and was of the same opinion. Dr. eon°lly of
Hanwell concurred in the views of those witnesses.

Mr. RYLAND replied, Baron ROLFE summed up, and
the jury, after deliberating twenty minutes, returned at
six o'clock a verdict of " Guilty," with an earnest re-
commendation to mercy on account of his tender age.
Mr. Baron RoLFE ordered sentence of death to be
recorded, with an intimation that the recommendation
would be attended to, but that the prisoner must be pre-
pared to pass the remainder of his life in ignominy and
toil.

SALE OF RAILWAY SHARES BY
AUCTION.—(THIS DAY.)
There was a fair amount of bu.iness done at the sale
of Railway Shares to-day, by Messrs. Lamond and Co.,
and prices were considered stationary. We subjoin a
few of the quotations:—
Leicester & Bedford, Exchange Certificate .£0 12 6
North British, Extension
Shrewsbury and Birmingham ( 8)... ...... 0 17 6
Northern and Southern Connecting
East Indian, Beg.
Great Northern ... ... 413 0
London and Blackwell, No. 1
Madrid and Valencia.. 0 11 0
North Staffordshire
Caledonian 37 5 0
Eastern Counties ..... ......... ........ 16 0 0

STATE OF TRADE.
MANCHESTER, TUESDAY.—The market here continues
generally in the dull and inanimate condition which it
has exhibited for two or three weeks past. There is
little demand, except for I._;ng-cloths and a few other
'inferior fabrics, suitable to the Levant trade. These
'full maintain their prices, and are now remunerating
'y the Autnufacturcrs. In other descriptions of goods, and
..ti

• in yarns generally, there is very little business done,
and that generally at slightly declining prices.
We hear from various quarters of arrangements
making by millowners to elude the provisions of the last
Factories' Regulation Act, by increasing those descrip-
tions of machinery for which the labour of women and
young persons is required, and working the mules and
looms, with men only, for thirteen or fourteen hours per
day. There is no doubt that the parties who adopt this
plan will readily obtain hands; for however much some
portion of the workpeople may have clamoured
for a Ten Hours' Bill, very few indeed of them will
accept employment at that rate, if they can procure it
at the rate of thirteen or fourteen hours per day. The
obvious effect of any extensive adoption of this mode of
working will be, to make a very serious difference in
the rate of payment for the labour of those who can and
those who cannot legally work beyond ten hours, to the
great detriment of the latter, who will not only be pre-
vented from performing the same quantity of work, but
must necessarily be paid a lower price for what they do
perform.
ROCHDALE, MONDAY.—The demand for flannels
continues dull, and the business transacted to-day has
been very light. The manufacturers complain of the
low prices given for their goods, and this is likely to be
the case while the demand for flannels continues so
limited. Wool is much the same, both in price and
demand, as last week.
HALIFAX, SATURDAY.—Fewer merchants made their
appearance in the Piece-hall to-day than this day week,
and but little business has been done. There seems• to
be an impression that things will take a favourable
turn after Christmas, yet that the improvement,
when it does come, will be very gradual. The con-
tinuance of open weather enabling the export merchants
to ship, supports the limited demand for yarn that has
been experienced the last few weeks; but in spite of the
reduced production, job lots are still thrown upon the
market. Prices for known spinnings continue without
alteration. Deep bright wool, both hogs and wethers,
are thin in the market, and are in request; but many
sacrifices are made under the pressure of necessity.
Short wools remain without change.
HUDDERSFIELD, TUESDAY.—More sales have been
effected to-day, in the Cloth-hall, than last week, but
these have been in the lowest description of goods.
There is an inclination to purchase the better sort of
woollens, but at such sacrifices that manufacturers are
unwilling to accept, feeling assured that a few weeks
will produce in our affairs a more healthy state. This
being what is termed " Second Tuesday," there is a
general complaint of the difficulty in obtaining settle-
ments. e,

LEEDS, TUESDAY.—Our market presents little altera-
tion from last week, the tendency being, though, to-
wards improvement.—Manchester Guardian.

SCOTTISH CENTRAL AND CALE

DONIAN RAILWAYS.
The competition between the Edinburgh and Glasgow
and the Caledonian for the possession of the Scottish
Central to form an extension :and conjoined portion of
their respective systems of communication, which was so
energetically pursued last summer, at length brought the
parties into the Court of Session. The Scottish Central
shareholders having, in the course of last summer, con-
sulted the Lord Advocate and the Hon. J. C. Talbot, of
the English bar, obtained a clear opinion from those
eminent counsel that the agreement entered into by the
Caledonian to lease the Central was to all intents null
and void, as there was no statutory power to that effect.
In those circumstances, and on the farther ground, that
they bad never been rightly apprised of the nature of the
agreement under which their property was to be delivered
over to the Caledonian and the English companies, they
passed, by a large majority, resolutions holding the same
at an end. The Caledonian, on the other hand, main-
tained that the agreement was valid and effectual; and that,
according to its tenor, it bound both parties to unite in ap-
plyieg year after year to Parliament to sanction the amal-
gamation until success crowned their efforts, and that until
i.uch sanction was obtained the parties were bound to enter
into a working agreement to accomplish as far as possible
the objects of their union. Acting on this view the Cale-
donian applied to the Court of Session to interdict the
Scottish Central Company from departing from that
agreement and relative stipulations by entering into a
new agreement with the Edinburgh and Glasgow or any
other.company. After various proceedings in the case,
the first division of the Court of session, en Saturday
last, confirmed the view held by the Caledonian and
London and North Western Companies, and continued
the interdict.

This dicision, which has caused a considerable sensa-
tion among railway dompaniev, will, we understand, be
appealed, as grave doubts are entertained by some of the
gentlemen of the bar as to its soundness, when viewed in
connexion with the railway statutes. It is contended
that the Court have here given a sanction to an agree
ment, which a railway company had no power under the
statute to contract, and that, therefore, if this decision
was to be the rule, railway companies may now walk oat
of the statute to which alone they owe their being, and
at their own pleasure enter into agreements involving
great public interests.— Caledonian Mercury.

PRICE OF SUGAR.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.
Siu,—Taking the average of all the average prices of
West India Sugar, published each week in the Gazette,
from the sth of January to the 30th of 'November,
1847, inc;usive, being forty-eight weeks, we have a value
of twenty-eight shillings per. cwt. It is true that the
►uxuriant sugar harvest throughout the British posses-
sions has somewhat abated that price at the present mo-
ment; and it is also true, that the colonists have had
difficulties to contend against, through the scarcity of
money since the beginning of October, similar to those
experienced by all classes of her Majesty's sub-
jects. Surely the
,great body of consumers in Great
Britain should benefit, and have a right to participate
in the immense crops of sugar, the plantations have
yielded this season; tho consumers can but have
their share. of that advantage in price, while
,the
producers are sure of theirs in quantity. What can the
West Indians want or desire, that they would occupy the
valuable time of the Legislature, to the exclusion of
more important affairs ? Do they hope to levy contri-
butions r.gain from classes who have suffered equally
with themselves, by endeavouring to revert to protective
duties ? They ought to recollect they have already
been more leniently dealt with than the agriculturists
of this country, inasmuch as they had foe years allowed
them before the protection ceased, while the latter had
but ee ! Again, all the protection an Act of Parlia-
ment can secure them has been granted ; and yet, so
great is the quantity of sugar produced this year in the
British possessions, that the settlers are utterly unable
to inaintain all the law has given them.
The fact is, all things progress excepting the West
Indian colonist. What he was a hundred years ago he
is at this day, namely, alieni appetens sui prolusus.
I remain, Sir, yours obediently,
Mincing-lane, Dec. 14. B. B. R.

RIVER PLATE.
The following are extracts from letters received per
Creole, from Monte Video:—

" MONTE VIDE°, OCT. I.—During the past month
the receipts of this Custom-house have produced 351,870
dolls., and the committee has decreed a dividend of ten
per cent. to the shareholders for the month of September,
thus making a total of eighty per cent. paid oft on the
original amount subscribed of each share.
" OCT. 7.—On the night of the 4th, Don Lorena)
Battlle, Minister of War, left this in the armed national
schooner Maipeo, with 160 soldiers, for Maldonado, to
seize General Ribera, whom the Government suspected
of being in correspondence with Oribe. This morning
the Minister returned, having executed his mission, by
apprehending and banishing to St. Catherine's, in the
Braila, Ribero, to whom they have assigned 600 dolls.
monthly, paying him in advance three months. The affair
has been managed very quietly throughout.
" During the month of September there have been
imported into Monte Video from Buenos Ayres 270,383
dry hides, 43,211 salted, 25,000 Os. tallow, and 8,250
qtly. wool.

" The exports from ➢Monte 'Video have been as fol-
lows:-119,154 dry hides, 33,369 salted, 7,329 qtls.
tallow, 5,000 qtls. wool; of which have been sent to
England 512 dry hides, 20,761 salted, 7,129 Os. tallow,
4,560 qtls. wool. From this abstract you will perceive
that 17,000 qtls. tallow have still to be appropriated, and
this quantity is already_ afloat-rm board of the several
vessels loading for England.
" OCT. 9.—This morning the arrival of several of the
river craft has brought us dates from Buenos Ayres to
Oct. 6th. Doubloons were quoted at 893 dolls. Our
advices contain news of the safe arrival of the English,
Spanish, and Brazilian vessels at Buenos Ayres, of the
sailing of which, without paying duties at Monte Video,
we previously infoimed you. Several other Brazilian
vessels acting in a similar meaner, have also arrived
safely."

C. Fox, Kingston-upon Hull, tavern keeper, 29. Bd.,
on Tuesdays, between the hours of eleven and two, at
the office of Mr. Stant-Svld, Kingston- upon-Hull.
G. Duplan, Regent's•place, Westminster, tea dealer
and grocer, 4s. 6d., on Wednesdays, between the hors
of eleven and three, at the office of Mr. Whitmore,
Basinghall-street.
H. B. Brecknell, Oxford street, draper, 45., on
Thursdays, between the hours of twelve and two, at the
office of Mr Pennell, Guildhall-chambers.

D. Syred, Bloomfield road, Paddington, market gar-
dener, 75., on Thursdays, between the hours of eleven
and two, at the office of Mr. Pennell, Guildhall-chambers.

J. Prosser, Piccadilly, goldsmith, 4s. Gd., on Thurs-
days. between the hours of Eleven and two, at the office
of Mr. Pennell, Guildhall-chambers.

J. Gapp, Duke-street, Manchester-square, livery stable
keeper, 55., on Thursdays, between the hours of eleven
and two, at the office of Mr. Pennell, Guildhall-chambers.
C. Martin, Darlington, plumber and glazier, 10s., on
Saturdays, between the hours of ten and three, at the
office of r. Baker, Newcastle-upon-Tyne.
R. Gisburne, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, bookseller and
stationer, 9s. 6d., on Saturdays, between the hours of
ten and three, at the office of Mr. Baker, Newcastle-
upon-Tyne.
R. Hallam, Newcastle-under-Lyme, Stafford hire,
grocer and tea dealer, first and second dividends of
ss. 6d. and 10d., on Thursdays, between the hours of
eleven and two, at the office of Mr. Yalpy, Birmingham.
R. Nichols, jun., Birmingham, bookseller and sta-
tioner, 3s. 6d., on any Tuesday before March 31,
between the hours of eleven and three, at the office of
Mr. Whitmore, Birmingham.
NOTICES OF CERTIFICATES.
At the Court, Basinghall-street.
W. Armstrong, Norwich, draper, Jail. 5, at twelve—
J. Hammond. Bognor, Sussex, ironmonger, Jan. 5, at
eleven—C. Bone, Millbank-street, Westminster, licensed
victualler, Jan. 5, at half-past eleven—M. Lewis, Oxford-
street, draper, Jan. 6, at two—A. F. Lloyd, Brighton,
cook and confectioner, Jan. 5, at half-past twelve—W:
Guttridge, Fulham, baker, Jan. 6, at one—B. Mayhew,
New Town, Bow, common brewer, Jan. 5, at two--S.
Bretton, Charlotte-street, Fitzroy-square, upholsterer,
Jan. 4, at eleven—J. F. Isherwood, Holland-place,
Clapham-road, house decorator, Jan. 6, at eleven—G.
Gusterson, Paradise-walk, Queen's road West, Chelsea,
builder, Jan. 5, at eleven—J. Tupling Cambridge, shoe-
maker, Jan. 5, at eleven.
In the Country.
J. Ashcroft, Liverpool, timber broker. Jan. 6, at
eleven, at the Court, Liverpool—G, Bagnall, Newcastle-
upon-Tyne, music seller, Jan. 17, at half-past ten, at the'
Court, Newcastle-upon-Tyne—J. Dawes, Gloucester,
tailor, Jan. 11; at eleven, at the Court, Bristol—J. Cale,
Gloucester, builder, Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court,
Bristol—G. Evans, Bristol, carpenter and builder,
Jan. 6, at eleven, at the Court, Bristol—J. Lowden,
Leeds, ironmonger, Jan. 11, at eleven, at the Court,
Leeds—W. W. Cooke, Denton, Lancashire, hat manu-
facturer, Jan. 14, at twelve, at the Court, Manchester—
J. Andrew, Prestbury and Manchester, calico printer,
Jan. 7, at twelve, at the Court, Manchester.
At the Court of Review, Jan. 4.
S. Lord, Liverpool, wool dealer—J. J. Day, Liverpool,
ship broker—J. Hatfield, Southwell, Nottinghamshire,
victualler—R. Thackray, Manchester, cloth and linen
merchant—J. Fawcett, Richmond, Yorkshire, linen and
woollen draper.
PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED.

C. Edwards and T. Bryant, Totnes, Devonshire, at-
torneys and solicitors—T. S. Ashburner and T. W.
Robinson, Litherland, Lancashire, merchants—R. A.
Johnson and J. P. Withers, Winchester, drapers—W. L.
Freer and J. B. Minshull, Birmingham, wood turners
and japanners—J. Winch and H. E. Brydon, High-
row, Knightsbridge, lead and glass dealers—Hannah
Ullathorne, 0. J. Ullathorne, and J. Ullathorne, Liver-
pool and Scarborough, shawlmen and linen drapers—T.
Phillips and S. Phillips, Birmingham, guninakers—C.
Wilkinson, H. Wilkinson, and T. Haigh, Huddersfield,
Yorkshire, thread manufacturers and winders—P.
Duckworth, J. M•Namee, and J. Fisher (as far as re -
gards P. Duckworth)—E. Ford, S. Rhodes, and T. Wil-
lott, Bar slem, Staffbrdshire, plumbers—G. S. Upton
and J. Podmore, Liverpool, silversmiths and jewellers—
J. Holmes and J. Wilson, Sheffield, coach builders—C.
Greatrex, T. Greatrex, and J. F. Greatrex (as far as
regards T. Greatrex), Walsall, Staffordshire, saddlers
and coach ironmongers—J. Mountford and E. Mount-
ford, Birmingham, builders—W. R. Neale and J. A.
Knight, Exeter, civil engineers—W. Thompson and G.
Hunter, Edmondsley and Sunderland, colliery owners
and coal fitters—T. Mason and E. C. Hindley, Liver-
pool, grocers and tea dealers—G. Beardmore and G.
F. Beardmore, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, lace manufac-
turers.

INSOLVENT PETITIONERS.
Edward Harnett, Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire.
James Clarke, Ipswich, journeyman carpenter.
Thomas Pratt, Nottingham, tobacconist.
Goodare Sills, Bulwell, Nottinghamshire, lime burner.
Henry Francis Watkins, Bristol, clerk.

Thomas Jacobs, Stapleton Villa, Stapleton-road, Glou-
cestershire.
Joseph Hannaford, Salcombe, Marlborough, carpenter.
Richard Lea, Romsey, Hampshire, chemist.
Peter Lever, Prescott, Lancashire, watch fusee maker.
Thomas Ball, Haweside, Lancashire, shoemaker.
John Pile Body, Stonehouse, Devonshire, baker.
James Henry Wolff, Southampton, clerk.
John Halliday, Liverpool, publican.
John Hughes. Liverpool, butcher.
Peter Hughes, Liverpool, dock porter.
Edward Itoore, Moorfields, and Liverpool, white cooper
and basket maker.
Samuel Holloway, Canterbury, baker.
George John Russell, Winchester, bricklayer.
SCOTCH SEQUESTRATIONS.
J. Gillau, Inverness, draper, to meet within the Cale-
donian Hotel, Inverness, Dec. 17, and Jan. 7, at two.
T. Morrison, Glasgow, bookseller, stationer, and map
publisher, to meet within the chambers of Mr. Smeaton,
Dec. 20, and Jan. 10, at twelve.

D. Hogg, Holytown, Bothwell, tailor and clothier, to
meet within the chambers of Mr. &Denton, Glasgow,
Dec. 17, and Jan. 7. at twelve.

W. Hutchinson, Edinburgh, solicitor before the Su-
preme Courts of Scotland, to inlet within the writing
chambers of Mr. Robertson, jun., Edinburgh, Dec. 20,
and Jan. 18, at one.
_ _

J. F. Tress and Co., Edinburgh, tea dealers, to meet
within the writing chambers of Mr. Lindsay, Wliuburgh,
Dec. 20, and Jan. 12,. at two.
W. Grieve, Kevock Mills, Lasawade, paper maker, to
meet within the Royal Exchange Coffee-house, Edin-
burgh, Dec. 20, and Jan. 12, at two.
J. M. Turnbull and Co., Glasgow. tea merchants, to
meet within the writing chambers of Messrs. Strathern
and Douglas, Glasgow, Dec. 21, and Jan. 11, at twelve.
11. Baird and Mary Bowskell, Coatbridge and Air-
drie, Lanarkshire, printers, publishers, booksellers, and
stationers, to meet within the writing chambers of
Messrs. Strathern and Douglas, Glasgow, Dec. 17, and
Jan. 6, at one.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
• HOUSE OF LORDS. Dee. 14.
PENINSULAR MEDALS.

The Duke of—iiiC-liilo-Zin asked when it was likely

th e medals would be given to the Peninsular officers
and soldiers, and if it wee intended to extend the grant
of such medals to other officers and soldiers and
sailors who served in the late war? He had hoped
th at those brave men w ho had served under Aber-
crombie in Egypt, and those brave sailors who
had, during the course of the late war, sustained the
honour of their country in skirmishes and in single ac-
tions, would also be decorated. He thanked his Noble
Friends opposite for what they had done, but he thought
that medals ought to have been distributed much more
extensively. Although there had not been the slightest
pledge given by her Majesty's Ministers on that occa-
sion, yet he felt anxious again to press the matter on
their attention. He never contemplated that in doing an
act of justice to the officers and soldiers who had so
nobly served their country in the great Peninsular war,
that they would exclude others who had served under
Abercrombie in Egypt, and under many of our greatest
naval heroes. He did not either perceive the justice of
confining the honours to those who happened to be pre-
sent in general actions; many of those who were not
fortunate enough to be present at such actions, had yet,
in the disehesrge of other and most important duties, suf-
fered much hardship received serious wounds, bravely
done their duty, and were of essential serice in securing
that success kof which these general actions were the
most brilliant features. He could not say that he was
satisfied by the exclusion of such men from the list of
those to whom decorations were to be granted. He
thought that medals should be given more extensively,
and that many of the soldiers and sailors who had fought
in their great wars, were quite as worthy of having
medals as many of those to whom they had been
granted for bating been in general engagements during
the last few years. He suggested whether they might
not make some difference in the medals granted to those
who had been ta skirmishes, and those in general actions.
He concluded by asking his Noble Friend whether it
was intended to issue,those medals immediately, to wait
until all the claimants had been decided upon, or to
issue them each month as the claims were settled?
Earl GREY •was not aware that any further exten-
sion was intended beyond the grants contained in the
order issued from the Horse Guards last June, and
which order spe 2ified the actions for which medals were
to be granted. With respect to the nary, it bad been
found that the rule laid down did not apply, and there-
fore it was lately that some extension might be needed
in that direction. As to the claims, 2,000 bad been dis-
posed of, 400 had been rejected, and 16,000 were still
under consideeation. The design for the medals had
been presented and approved, but some delay had oc-
curred in their preparation, owing to the artist having
nearly lost his life by a severe railway accident. He
understood, horrever, that the medal would be ready in
about two months from that time, and he saw no
reason why they should not be delivered as soon as
they were ready.
CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) BILL.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said it was
crime
endgreat
importance that the Bill for the prevention
upofrom thef
outrage in Ireland, which had been sent
other House of Parliament, and read the first time in
their Lordships' House last right, should be proceeded
with as rapidly as
possible. wished, therefore, to,
state that it waAs his intention to move the second read-
ing of that Bill to-morrow. As they were approaching
the holidays, it was not his intention to go into any
lengthened explanation on that occasion. He would, on
going into Committee on Thursday, give the grounds on
which the Bill was brought forward, and the objects the
Government had in view. That course would, he lie-
lieved, be acceptable to their Lordships, by giving them
time to exa mine the provisions of the Bill, and, as he
believed, one debate would be sufficient upon it, the pass-
ing of the B iU would not be thereby delayed. -
Lord STANLEY thought the course proposed by the
Noble Marquis would meet tie geuerai convenience of
the House. He was not aware that there was any in-
tention to oppose the Bill, said therefore one discussiou

would be enough, while the course proposed by :the
Noble Marquis would give their Lordships :;.allicient time
to examine ti:e Biil.
DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH THE
ITALIAN STATES.

Loid STANLEY proceeded to call the attention of
the House to the continued absence of the Lord Privy
Seal. Under any circumstances the aoaence for several
months of a person holding an high a position as that of
Lord Privy Seal would be a ground to entitle Parliament
to ask for some explanation from the Government ; and
the necessity for such explanation would be increased,
if, as in the present case, the state of the country was
such as to require Parliament to be called together at a
period much earlier than usual, and under circum-
callers in which it was to be expected that every person
who was honoured with a seat in her Majesty's Council
would be present to offer his advice and assistance. He
had always understood that though the office of Lord
Privy Seal was not one the duties of which were
particularly onerous or laborious, still that it was an
office of great importance and high authority, the duties
of which must be discharged in person, and requiring
the constant attendance of the. party holding it. Ile
presumed arrangements had been made for the due
discharge of the duties of the office during
Earl Minto's absence, and what those arrange-
ments were the Noble Marquis (Lansdowne) would
probably inform their Lordships. He confessed, how-
ever, he should be less anxious for any explanation on
the subject, were it merely on account of the absence of
the Noble Earl from England; but that which rendered
a specific answer from the Noble Marquis to the ques-
tions he was about to put to him necessary was, not so
much the absence of the Noble Earl from England, as
his presence in Italy at this particular moment.—(Hear.)
There was a general expectation and belief prevailing in
this country—whether correct or not he was unable to
say—that it was the intention of her Majesty's Govern-
ment to endeavour to establish diplomatic relations
between this country and the Court of ROlllO, and that
the mission of Earl Minto was connected with that
object. With regard to the expediency or policy of
such a change of the law—if change of the law were
necessary—as should enable the Government to esta-
blish such relations with the temporal Sovereign of the
Roman States he expressed no opinion. He said that
the Noble Viscount the Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs, in answer to a question recently put to him in
another place, had stated that Lord Minto was
entrusted by her Majesty's Government with no mis-
sion to the see of Rome.—(Hear, hear.) He under-
stood that answer to mean that Earl Minto was not,
on the part of her Majesty's Government, an accredited
Minister entrusted with any diplomatic functions at the
Court of Rome; at the same time there undoubtedly was
a belief in this country, which belief had been much
strengthened by reports, whether true or false he knew
not, of an interview of considerable duration with which
the Noble Earl had been honoured by the Sovereign
Pontiff, that if not engaged directly to establish diplo-
matic relations, one portion of his duty had been to
ascertain what would be the feeling of the Court of Rome
with regard to the establishment of such relations.—
(Hear, hear.) But though such was the opinion which
prevailedsgenerally, not only in England and in Italy,
but throughout the continent, he apprehended that a
different motive might be attributed to the mission in
which Earl Minto was now engaged. He used the word
" mission," for he assumed that the Noble Earl was not
at that time a mere casual visitor at Rome, travelling
for his own amusement, and in that case culpably neg-
lecting his duty both to Parliament and his office in the
Government. Assuming, therefore, that in some capa-
city or other he was acting on the part of, and perform-
ing the duty of a representative of the British Sovereign,
his object was now to ask of the Government that
which he thought Parliament had a right to ask, if it
eels thought necessary to dispatch to any foreign couni.ry
an officer of such high rank and dignity us a member of
the Cabinet—the Lord Privy Seal ? Parliament had a
right to inquire what was the nature of the mission on
which he had been dispatched, and the functions he was
supposed to be entrusted with. Such an inquire. would
be right in refereece to the mission of a Cabinet Mi-
nister to any country ; but a ith regard to the Italian
States, and at this particular time, it was a matter of
peculiar importance that Parliament eliould be fully in-
formed of the views with which Lord Miuto had been
sent out. He was not acquainted with all the intricacies
of the present state of affairs in Italy, especially the
north of Italy ; but it was notorious that, under the
auspices of the Pontiff, and partly under other auspices,
there was a state of disquiet and political movements
going oniwhich excited exaggerated hopes on the one
hand, and apprehensions on the other, the effect of
which was to place the whole of that part of the con-
tinent in a state of fermint, and the several nations
connected by political relations with it in a state
of considerable anxiety. It was under the guid-
ance of the present Pontiff that various schemes
had been set afloat for the introduction of a more
liberal system of government in the affairs of the northern
states. Similar concessions, they knew, had bees
demanded by several other states from their respective
sovereigns, and, to a more or less extent, and with more
or leis reluctance, those concessions had, by more than
one of those sovereigns, been granted. What might be
the object of the present movement in Italy, or the ulti-
mate intention of those who were directing it—if indeed
they had made up their minds as to any ultimate inten-
tion—above all, what might be the meaning of that ex-
pression put forth as the watchword of the more eager
partisans of that movement, " the independence of Italy,"
he (Lord Stanley) could form no conception.—(Hear.)
But the object of the movement in the Italian states, so
far as it had taken place in one or more of those states,
was confined, so far as lie could understand, to changes
of purely an internal nature—changes in the popular
power in its relations with the sovereign power as then
exercised. So far then as this movement had anything
of an internal aspect and bearing it was, so far, removed
from such cases as this country, acting on principles
of good sense and good policy, had any right to
interfere in. It had been supposed that the object
of the movement was partly of a commercial and
partly of a political character, for the purpose of
establishing a general federal union of all the states
of the north of Italy. If the object were to estab-
lish a commercial union which would in any way affect
the commercial interests of this country, no doubt it
would be a matter for the attention of her Majesty's
Government, and one that should be watched carefully
by them at home ; but it was one that by no means justi-
fied the accrediting a cabinet minister to the Court of
Rome. So, if the object were to effect alterations in the
internal political arrangements of those states, though it
might be well deserving the attention, and justify the
anxious consideration of the Government, the last course
they should pursue would be to give to that movement
direct encouragement by the presence of a cabinet minis-
ter of this country.—(Hear.) But if', by the " indepen-
dence of Italy" it was meant that no foreign power
should exercise any eeentrol over any province situated
within the geographical limits of Italy, that was an ob-
ject to which not only this country would not be justified
in contributing, but an object which we were bound by
the faith of treaties not only nut to aid but to resist.
Though Earl Minto might not be accredited to the Pope
or to any other sovereign that we knew of, yet, being the
representative of the British Government, he had, pre-
awning the information which had reached this country
to be correct, compromised the British Government
his acts, by his words, and by his conduct ; and
it was due, therefore, to Parliament that they should I
have a distinct understanding of the functions which
Lord Minto had to perform, and the cam actor of the I
instructions with which he had been sent out. The re-
ports which had appeared in those sources of information
which were opeu to all, as to Lord Minto's proceedings,
he trusted the Noble Marquis would be enabled to con-
tradict. He meant that the Minister of Great Britain,
so situated and so circumstanced as Lord Minto was in
Italy, had, on more than one or two occasions, appeared
in answer to the calls of the people parading the streets
with flags and emblems, and joined with them in the cry
in favour of the " independence of Italy;" that on the
second occasion, during a procession at Rome, the crowd
assembled before the hotel in which Lord Minto
resided, and, recognising him not as a mere British
traveller, but as the supposed representative of this
country, and as expressing the sentiments of the
British Government, called tor him, and that in obe-
dience to that call, he appeared on the balcony
waved his hand to them, and joined in the " Vivasl"
for the independence of Italy. He trusted that
the Noble Marquis would be enabled to state that
there was no truth in these details. In a nobleman of
the Earl of Minto's rank such intermeddling with the
internal affairs of foreign states would be highly repre-
hensible, but it became doubly so when the nobleman so
acting was the, avowed and accredited representative of
his Government.---(Hear, hear.) For a man so circum-
stanced to take any part in the movement at present
going on in Italy, but above all to join the vague and
unintelligible cry of Italiau independence, "g
course
calling for unequivocal disapproval, and trusted he
should hear from the Noble Marquis that it was wholly
inconsistent with the instructions of the Government.—
(Hear, hear.) The question he was about_ to put to the
Noble Marquis, and to which he hoped he should receive
a satisfactory reply, were, in the first place, whether
provison had been made for dischargingEail of the duty
Miutof Lord
Privy Seal in the absenceof the
that Noble Lord Minto; and
Italy, under the or
next, on the assumptionders that
of his Government, he wished
instructions
pointed, to be informed to what object his
pointed, and whether or no be was accredited to the
supremo Pontiff or to any other Italian sovereign, and,
if so, what were the limits of his functions, power,
and authority P—(Hear, hear.) He wished further to
know whether the Noble Marquis, on the part of the
Government, was prepared to state that England had no
desire to interfere—he did not mean merely by force,
but by moral influence, or by the encouragement of its
accredited Minister—in the interne' affairs of Italy, or
in disturbing those forms of government which each
particular state might have thought fit to adopt. These
wore the questions to which he hoped the Noble Mar-
quis would give a distinct answer, both as to the facts
and as to the views of her Majesty's Government; and
he also hoped for a denial of the conduct which had
been attributed to Lord Minto, or, if it were admitted,
he hoped for a declaration that Lord Minto in so act-
hag had exceeded his instructions and authority.
The Marquis of LANSI)OWNE said that the Noble
Lord had asked for explanations respecting certain
subjects, and lie had accompanied his request
with observations respecting the conduct of a
member of the Government at present in Italy. In
the first place, the Noble Lord wished to know on what
grounds the Lord Privy Seal had been absent front
this country, and in consequence had not attended his
duty in that House. He (the Marquis of Lansdowne)
might refer the Noble Lord to other times, and other
circumstances, when a Cabinet Minister, holding a high
official station, had been absent from his post without
any disadvantageous circumstances resultingfrom such
absence. Ile thought that the Noble ..Lord must
be
sufficiently aware of the duties of Lord ierivy Seal, to
know that, although it was undoubtedly an office of high
mak, yet that, looking to the ordinary practical