The Sun.
London, England, 1841-03-09 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

GEORGE GREY brought up the Report of the
Committee of Supply.
The several resolut;ons was agreed to, and leave was
given to being in a Bill founded thereon.
COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY.

On the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair,
Mr. BRA MSTON begged to call the attention of
the Right Honourable Gentleman to the present state
of the Yeomanry Corps in the county of Essex. ,
In that county they had only one corps, which was
supported by the contributions of the officers and men,
while in other counties several corps were maintained.
Now he wanted to know upon what principle, if there
was any one, this was arranged. The population
of Essex was 317,000 ; yet the Government refused to
give anything towards the support of a yeomanry caps,
yet they gave to Hertfordshire, a county with a much
smaller population, six corps, all of which were maio-
tained by the Government.—(hear, hear.) The yeo-
manry of Essex had been inspected every year, and
they had been h'ghly complimented by the officers who
so inspected them. He had a right, then. tosay that
they were as efficient as any other. Nether could
they say that they would not support tehe b
GmoVerenment
they were situated near London, and That
could easily send down the household troops.
county of Middlesex
itscif; yet troops in the ar-
gumentneigh-
county would apply to Hertfordshiere,th.
edtneveetrnoptoolittabne
they kept up and paid two
bourhood of Uxbridge.
Mr. I:oeXlilkoltnA. UGLeEsaid,hal
ntiemn as
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sone
which th
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to f
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dtica aptarc mtmenttoorewii,zinal
to answer as shortly as he could the observations of the
Hon. Gentleman. In the year 1838, the yeomanry
cavalry in this coul,try presented a large force, which
it seemed to the Governme it it would be expedient,
with a view to economy, to reduce. The lion. Gen-
tleman hail rather intiniat'2d that that reduction n
• dto have been made more from pat t,;,i •
ap-
peared ity r
tain localities than upon any just principle. Now,
that cause had been apparent to lion. Members
' at the
time the reduction was made, he thought that before
e
now some charge against the Governmentb. would have
been made in that House upon the su pct. But this
was the first time that argument had been used or such
a charge had been brought forward.
ard. The principle on
which the Government h acted
ad was t save as much
as possible the pockets of the people. lie thought

EVEN ING EDITION.

that Was the best principle on which the Government
could act, because their assistance would be imam
ieadily afforded by the people when it was necessary to
call upon them t, do so, Upon that principle it pas
that his Noble Friend (Lord John Russell) rodeeM
o establishments of the yeomanry corps; and wilsoo
be found, on referring to the service. of the yeoinanry
cavulry, that many regiments had never been called
into active scrv:ce at all, not doubting, or disparaging
for a moment, the good intentions or loyalty of tither
the officers or men, he certainly thought he was justified
in ranking such reduction. Such was the case id
the county of Ersex. A remonstrance was made
at the time, and very naturally, by these corps,
whom his Noble Friend thought it right to
reduce, and they were told, that if. they
preferred serving, as many did, simply as
volunteers, without p,pnent from the public Tres-
ury, .a if the Lord Lieutenaet of the
com ty recommeaded such cAablistin.ent, no objection
would be made to retain the se/vices of these corps.
The yeomanry corps in Essex, among others, valour
teerei their sciviccs without payment, and for a year
that se/vice went on ; but they, at the end of the year,
made a claim for gas treat, and were informed such
payment would not be made. Under these civeurn..
stances, he hardly thought the Hon. Gentleman had a
right to complain that the yeomanry cavalry in Essex
had been unfairly dealt with.

Mr. GOUI,I4IIiN sa'sl, as he took part in th 4
question of the reduction of the yeomanry, he would
call the .recoLction of the lion. Member opposite
(Mr. F. MautO to some of the facts that were on the
occasion of that reduction brought before the attcnt on
of the house. The Hon. Gentleman bad stated that
at the period alluded no complaints were made of par.
l'a'ity being shown in the selection of the corps .for
reduction. He (Mr. G.) beg leave to call the
Hon. Gentleman's reesllection to cases in which it wag
distinctly stated, whether justly or unjustly he would
not say, that partiality vas displayed in the selection-.P
He (Mr. G.) remembered that a contrast was drawn
between the yeomanry corps of Hungerfokl and that
of Waltham Abbey, in the county of Essex, which were
very d.fferently commanded. He also recollectei
case that was stated of the reduction of a corps in
H ertfordsh ire, which n as placed on the establisbmentafter
having Leen reduced. He merely steed these facts to
refresh the lion. Gentleman's memory. With respect,
to the parfeular case of the Essex yeomanry, Ice stall
thought it would have been a wise exercise of discretiery
to have retained that corps on pay. It must be recol-
lected that that corps wns expressly referred to by
Lord Melbourne and tl:e Secretary of State as neces-
sary to protect. rho Ordnance property at Waltham
Abbey. The Noble Lard thought it would have beta
useful to retain that corps on pry for that purpose.
The Government, howev.rr, thought tic to reduce it.
He (Mr. G.)stiq retained his opinion, that in the selec-
tion of the corps it woul,l kve been a wise cxercisc of
discrition to retain on pay a corps so useful to the Go-
vernment.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL was aware that com-
plaints had been made when this corps was reduced, ro-
l-pcct:ng the Le;.essity of defending tht Ordnance stores.
lie lad cothu!ted the Ordnance-cfliee on the subject,
and the reply was, that the set vices of the yeomanry
were not needed tor that purpose. No doubt various
compliints had been ma le of partiality when these
corps had been reduced, and those complaints had not
been confined to One side of the House, but ha l pro-
ceeoed quite as much from his friends as from his oppo-
nents. It. hail herr, thought expedient to continue the
yeomanry in 182 I , during the agricultural riot. They
had bean reduced in 1830, and a saving. of 2opo0i:
a year had ea effected io consequence, but there
were now a gre,ter number of corps of yeomanry than
there hail been v, hen the Duke of Wellington quitted
office, and he did not think it advisable to increase them.
Sir H. VIVIAN hail not felt him-elf justified in.
recommending the continuance of yeomanry as a guard
fer the Ordnance store,.
Mr. GOULBURN had not h,fore understood than
had been the opinion of the Ordn:lnce authorities.
After a few words from Sir H. HARDINGE the
subject dropped.
LORD CARDiGAN.

Oa the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair,.
Mr. O'CONNELL rose to express his regret that
they had now arrived et that the list night for consider-
ing the Military Estimates, without the attention of the
House having been directed to the conduct of Lord
Cardigan in regard to his regiment. The public tid-
ing bad been excited to such a pitch on the subject, that
Lad it not been for the letter of the officer who
had been dismissed, which he (Mr. O'Connell) consi-
dered placed that officer out of ti.e pate of sympathy;
the House would have been compelled to take the
subject into their consideration. He felt himself calk&
upon to direct the attention of the House to the sub-
ject, because, on the occasion of the court-martial on
Major Wathen, he had animadverted on the conduct of
that court-martial ; not, of course, for having acquitted
Major Wathen, but for having censured Lord Cardi-
gan, without having given him an opportunity of being
heard in his defence. He considered that was contrary
to all rules of justice ; but the court-martial on Cap-
tain Reynolds appeared to him to have acted still
more contrary to those rules, for, possessed of
unlimited power, they had sedulously excluded the
consideration of all those circumstances by Which
his sentence might have been mit;gated.—(Hoar.)
The nature of the sentence ought greatly to have de?
pended upon the provocation. If without provocation
he Lai violated the commands of his superior officer, no
eenter.ce could be too severe ; but on the other hand
they might suppose circumstances under which there
should be the lightest possible punishment. It was j.
possible therefore, he thought, to defend the conduct of
the court-martial. When they looked at the condoet of
the Horse. Guards they would see it extending its.pro-
tection and patronage to title and wealth, so as it
was never extended to mere merit. The ham imprison-
ment of. Captain Reynolds for three or four days had
gone entirely unpunished. He did hope that some
person more influential than himself would move for an'
inquiry into the whole of the circumstances., The Hots.
and Learned Gentleman then proceeded to refer to the
army and navy estimates, and to the opinions of tire
Hoc. Member for Kilkenny with respect to the in-
' crease as regards Canada. He (Mr. O'Colinell) was
bound to express his firm conviction that in the origin
of the civil war in Canada the Government were entirely
in the wrong—that it was a provoked insurrection. In
his opinion it was greatly to be attributed to as un-
constitutional vote of the House, which violated first
principles, and was not rendered necessary by any pecu-
liar exigeueits. It was indeed no palliation of the in-
surrection.. The insurrection was worse than a crime.
it was folly, and it had been deservedly crushed. They
mad passed an Act of Union of the two colonies, but.
that union was based upon injustice. But there seat '•
another and more grievous crime committed against'
Lower Canada. Lower Canada owed no debt, and yet
by the Act of Tinian they had settled part of the debt
of Upper Canada upon Lower Canada. Then,
again, at what period, ho 'would ask, had this
htaadkehnerpiPaacreli Why, et a time when Upper Ca-
ament, but Lower Canada had been
nuandioandeprived of hers. He (Mr. O'Connell) thought they
bad better be cautious how they acted, or they might
repent what they had dote. 01 course, he did not
know what was done in the other noun or
Parliament, but he found on looking at the newspapers
Vett the Bishop of Exeter—that that Right Rev. Pre-
-I,,te Lad been Made to suggest the grossest injury that
could be inflicted, namely, taking away from St. Sal-
pice the property it had. In fact,,, in that debate. be
saw that one of the greatest men in the country stated
that such a spoli, ton would he according
princi-
ples of the Reformation. Their conduct had been most
exemplary. There was not the slightest
_blot upon
their character. But they were to he robbegoitrsnoo
ego,
to the
They bad enjoyed this propertyBo ireiatrissi
as 1763, by the suggestion of thefSt.
Salpice made over
Ambassador
at Paris, the French seminary of
seminary. In 177 k
all their property to the Canadianwas
a doubtful phrase, boa
in the Canadian Act, 60:Cone-ate
cili the Catholic pies
soperty being in the pos.
pulation, and calculated produce tne most favourable
general or e
admitted tl,ey were most
ritesu waslresult
wlins elAncst ,taomgaidheitito
pointed distinctly
seminary.
th The feudal rights they enjoyed,
They had enjoyed rt
the
excellent landlorxa.iotu,
and their inconvenience•
had
were, however,
eversessi session oc fe,
Seminar), instead of
veThe Se
been long
n their rights, offered to compromise them rigidly IWO so
inogn shouldf
800 t
yheheamers.c,lontheed
it was at once accepted by every person •
far, and
utterlyth legal
deni
denied
the
statement in-
terested in the property. An ordinance was subsequentlE
_assed, making them a corporation, so that as they bad
and it was
but as these were theirs before incorporation the &di-
statement that they had not a legal title. They bad
nbaPealncilndtiidtrioensotshetlseisyi
and there could be no
better title. In default of deeds or an Act of Perna.,
trent, one or the other was to be presumed. But he
would not enter into that. Their equitable right was
admitted, and now that they
had made a transfer of
these rights, they were to be turned round upoa, and
were to he told by a Bishop of the establishment that
because they were Catholics they. were to be
robbed of their property and that another grievance was
to be itnflicted upon the Cathel:es by this injustice. If
that were done let them' prepare themselves for higher.
estimates. This act of injustice would deservedly bring,
it upon them, but he (Mr. O'Connell) could not far the.
present bring himself to bilieve such_a he would take his an aet of injustice
would be committed. From Vaned
flight to the East Indies. soldiers of our army in
India were one-half
Catholicsf and he had had many
letters addressed to him from Olen complaining bitterly
of the total want of religious &tloa and instruction.
Everybody knew the importance'the Catholics attached
to the oXces, of their Church-4 Protestants and
was
total were properly provided for -; but there was
tatai neglect of the Catholic soldiery in India. Almost
every Commander had promised them redress, but it'
had never arrived, and Sir H. Fate had even refused to
forward a petition from the 13th Regiment to the G 0.,.
vernment. (The Hon.and Learned Gentleman then read

IN

some extracts from a Bengal paper on the subject.)
The *Hoe,. Beroect was rether angry with him the other
eveeiing for seegering to him the necessity of altering
lii s policy towarla ire'and. There wee not a day pen-
-ling that did act convince him that he was right—even
the iatellizosace whiela had arrive I that dey would con.
vine° hireelese more thet the Gentleman opposite mug
see that they would be committing a feral error iu con-
, tinuing an insulting policy towards Ireland. Wll3 it
a pee'ese like the present, when they might soon have
ocraion to call for an extreme augmentation of the
:army that they were to make an enemy of Ireland ?
Ought they not rather endeavour to make her a firm ally
and friend? The Right Hon. Baronet need not sup-
peso that be could ever have the cordial support of Ire-
landeunless she was treated with the same fairness as
Eagla-id. Look et the Municipal Bill—in this coun-
try not one man who paid coo Aiding to the poor-rate
but was 3 burgess, while in Ireland, a man before he
Obtained the same privilege must be rated at 101. It
was his duty to warn them that if another packet
arrived from America with such menaces as that of
that day it would be necessary for them to conciliate
Ireland ; indeed be did not think that in such a case
there was oce gentleman, however reckless, who would
persevere in the present insul:ing and degrading policy.
Sir G. GREY did not mean to enter into the gene-
ral arguments of the Hon. and Learned Member, but
from the position ho held he felt bound to say that the
courtrmartial upon Captain Reynolds had aetel strictly
according to their duty. He would go further and
. rny that they had awarded strict justice. They were
appoiated for a special purpose, and they had no right
to inquire into provocations which had been given
mouths or years before.
Sir De LACY EVANS had the pleasure of know-
rag many of the officers who sat on the court-martial,
. and knew them to be men of personal honour and
eauel}"judgment, but as the Court was for the tlial of
e captain he thought there ought to have been more
o.'ficers of his own rank.—(Hear, hear.) On the con-
erary micro than one-half were cosnrnanding officers.
(Sir Die Lacy Evans) did not dispute the finding
ef the Court # but ho thought it was highly inconve-
relent for any court-martial to assert the abstract prin-
ciple which had been asserted in this case. The
4mut-martial had said that no provocation whateve
could excuse disobedience of ciders or insubordination.
Although ho would be the last to countenance insub-
ardination, he thought it would have been better not
to have laid down the principle, that provocation could
ie no instance form a palliation or defence. He was
rather surprised the other evening to bear the Noble
Lord the Secretary for the Colonies say that the great
clamour upon this subject was to be attributed to the
fact that the Commander of the llth Regiment was a
n >blemae. He (Sir Do Lacy Evans) had always con-
sidered that rank was a great advantage to a commander.
He believed it was much easier for a nobleman to ren-
der himself agreeable to those who were under his
orders, than for any person of lower rank to do so.
There were many instances in support of his view,
amongst which were those of Lord Anglesey and the
Duke of York. That the Noble Lord should rest his
argumeat an EWA a point only showed the meagreness of
the grounds on which he stood. The Right Hon. Gent le-
man the Seorsteryeat-War had stated that it would be
unusual to place an officer on half-pay, because he had
fallen nadir displeasure. He (Sir De Lacy Evans)
believed It would be found upon inquiry, that there
were matey insteuteas in which such a course had been
pursued. There were officers in the army at that very
time who, through having got into some little difficul-
ties, lead boon placed upon half-pay. With respect to
the propriety of affording religious assistance to soldiers
of the Catholic pecsuasion in the East Indies, which had
been alluded to in the debate, it should be remembered
that the priacipal disorders which occurred in the army
arose from intoxication ; and if in those portions of our
possessions where there were no Catholic clergymen,
some assistance could be given to the soldiery, he
thought it might tend to check that evil.
.'Mr. WARBURTON could not but think that
theneewere facts enough beforejhe House and the pub-
lics to oill for an inquiry.—(1-rear, hear.) In a letter
scot by Lord Hill to the officers of the regiment, al-
dressed to Lord Cardigan, the commanding officer, it
eteteel that the regiment was in such a condition that it
was neither useful for domestic purposes nor to be
trusted is the field.—(Hear, hear.) Was a regiment
to be in that state and no inquiry take place as to the
cause which led to it? In the debates the other night,
the Gallant Officer, the Master-General of the Ord-
nance had stated that there was that, though not in the
matter, yet is the manner, of the commanding officer,
which led to these results. On the other hand, it had
been stated with respect to the officers, that there was
a cabal amongst them. Was it not right, under these
circumstances, that an inquiry should take place ?
•c.liear, hear.) He considered these matters as a reflec-
tion, not upon Lord Cardigan, or upon the officers of
tee regiment, but upon the Commander-in-Chief of the
2erneys who had not instituted a full inquiry into the
etthject ; fer nothing but a fair and candid inquiry could
luran end to this state of things.
Lard JOHN RUSSELL said that with respect to
eelsett had fallen from the Hon. Member for Westinin-
:.ter Ise quite agreed with him, that high rank was rather
?event of the commanding officer than against him ;
ieut what be maintained was that complaints of this na•
:;are were mere likely to excite public attention, when
ho (Accr was of high rank than when he had been raised
:e the service, or did not occupy a commanding position.
In his opinion, in consequeace of the situation of Lord
Cardigan, there had been a great deal more ma le of
the matter in debate than there otherwise would have
been ; he did not want to enter list) details, but if he
were asked what those details we-e, be should say they
,veto exttomely frivolous in theinitelves..--( Hear.) Tae
Hon. Member for B:idport had said that there ought
to have been a solemn Court of Inquiry. Now, the
opinion of the Commander-in-Chief was the contrary of
that ; he thought it much better to send down the Al-
jet ant-General to the regiment, for the purpose of de-
claring his opinion of the course twat had been pur-
sued ; and he (Lard J. Russell) thought that the ad-
monition that was given by the Commande:-in-Chief;
was far more tikely in future to induce the officers to
perform their duties effectively, and to live in harmony
with each other, than if an inquiry had taken mace,
And the polka mind had been excited on the subject.
With regard to what had been stated by the Hon. and
Letrnod Metzhee far Dublin, he did not wish them to
cater into the effeirs of Canada ; that Honcareble
a :4° teemed ZelaaeLer had truly stated that those
affairs ware matter of history, and to history he
would leave theta.—(Hear, hear.) As to the ordinance
that bad basses passed relitive to the Seminary of St.
Sulelea, that ordinance had been approved of by an
e.unzet (Afloat who la I served in C:nade, and by sue-
CCS3:VA Sseretarias of State ; it was but a m ttcr of jus-
tice era an aesiaeet body of men, and any interference
wi,th it would be considered as an interference with tho
ordinance, act because it was just and equi!ahle, but
because a benefit was derived from it by the Rmnan
Catholics.—(Hear, hear.) He should think such an
interferesce, considering the state of Canals, must un-
wise and imprudent. He thought they ought to behave
towards the 11:-.man Catholics of tha. country w;th the
gmetaat rega,d--shay ought to bate that which was
their due as loyal subjects of the Crown.—( Hear, hear.)
As to the Roman Catholic soldiers in ledia I.c did not
know what would be done by the E ist India Company
or the Goyerntment of India, but he thought that eve-)
silty should be given to enable Roan C Ith -
diers to have the assistance of a
taini,t,t.nr of theirtheir
religion, and every means should he taken to gite them
the assistance.
Sir GEORGE GREY said that tLe Hon. Member
(us Bridport had not put a righ' comatrucfen upon the
reoceedinge of the court ma.fal.
Sir A: DALRYMPLE felt bound to bear testi.
:pony to the excellent state of discipline in which the'
11 ids regiment was, after what had been stated by the
item Member for Bridport. A better behaved or dis-
3ipliaed regiment never existed. ,
"Sir HARD: NGE said that t.c corps was in an
calms la stet) of discipli ie.
M. HUME wisi.e 1 to put a question ti the Judge
Airesneeefsaexal. He wished to know whether cvi-
wea at tendered at the court-martial of along
:furs of haul.* that had been received by the gallant
ricer, and whether it was not usual on such occasions
note down the evidence tendered, in order that, when
114$ beonght before the higher tribunal, there might
be quo:Lions raved as to wflether that evidence did not
ee groani far further inquiry. That ma-le a strong
isression on his mind, for they shut out all the pre-
, tons acts of oppression and provocation. He was not
disposed to deny the doctrine that no previous provoca-
s;en could warrant an immediate breach of discipline ;
but he would put it to the Right Hon. Gentleman how
ler it was possible to suppose that officers were not
11$5:), and could bear insult without any means of redress
hoingafforded them. On a former evening he had sainhat
tie lee! blamed Lard Hill even more than Lord Cardi-
gan, and ha had &no 'Aimed the Right Hon. Gentle-
man the Secretary at War, whose duty it was not
only' to Me justice done to Lord Cardigan, but to every
officer in the regiment. The whole affdr had been a
gross act of injustice towards the officers, and of fa-
vouritism towards Lord Cardigan. In his opinion,
Lord Hill should be removed from the command of the
army—(Hoar, bear, and a laugh)—and ho thought he
should never have been allowed to have continued in
that command after Lord Grey had assumed the Go-
vernment.

Mr. MACAULAY denied that he had used the
wards atteibutnd to him by the Hon. Member. He
maintained where a clamour which he thought unjust
end ill-tempered was raised against a man, it was only
un,ftdditioo-al.roason why a man of spirit and conscience
should Perlbrm his duty freely and impartially. No man
respeeted the opinion of his countrymen more than he
(Mr. 14RaIlaY) 4d ; he believed they were always
ready to hear both sides, and to give fair
play to all
parties, and he believed that the course taken on the
persent occasion by her Majesty's Government was the
one most consistent with justice, and best calculated to
promote the discipline of the army. Now the admoni-
tion to which the Hon. Mnrnber for Bridport referred
was a general one, and merely stated that a tendency

to disagreement and dlssens:on must render a corps in-
efficient ; and although is WAS not his immediate pro-
vince to look after the discipline of the army, he be-
lieved that to wh,ite-e: cl.arges Lord Cardigan might
ho lial.l-, ho had brought his re,gimeat t) a very high
de4re.:3 of efficiency in a very short time after its return
from India.—(Hear, hear.) He could not sit down
without adverting to anatlyr point, referred t by the
Hon. and Learned Membe: for Dublin, with regard to
Catholic soldiers serving in India. Whatever they
might held with regard to their re'igiouse tiblishments
at home, he thought there could be no doubt that if
they beat up for recruits in the Catholic counties of
Ireland—if they took poor and ignorant men, and put
them on ship board, and sent them 15,000 miles from
their homes, into the midst of Pagans and Mahome-
dans, where they were exposed to fever and wounds,
and were called nn to fight the batees of their country,
they were bound to provide for them the comforts of
their religion.—(Loud cries of 6' Hear, hear.") He
was quite satisfied that the happiness and morality of
the men would be improved by such an arrangement.
He had not seen the statements referred to by the
Hon. and Learned Member ; but he would make it his
business to inquire into the matter.
Sir ROBERT PEEL could not help remarking
that the Hon Member for Kilkenny had a strong
prepossession against Lord Hill, because be had not
resigned when Lord Grey entered the Administration,
and it appeared to him that the prejudice which he en-
tertained aiainst Lord Hill bad communicated itself to
the case of Lord Cardigan, and swayed his mind to a
certain extent. Now, in the case of Lord Cardigan,
it would have been manifestly unjust to have dismissed
him without a court-martial ; it would have been un-
wise to replace him on half-pay under the circumstan-
ces, and it was admitted on all hands that there was
not the remotest ground for justifying the appointment
of a court-martial in his case—(Hear, hear)
in short none of these grounds could have been taken.
It was his opinion that the Commander-in Chief was a
better authority on that point than the House of Com-
mons. He could not be!eve that any Court of Inquiry,
extending as it probably would over many years, haves
tigating offences that might be given by look or man-
ner, would end in any satisfactory way. He thought a
wise discretion was exercised in permitting that case to
be decided by a man holding the high station which the
Commander-in-Chief of the British Army did, whose
public military services entitled him to the highest re-
spect, and whose private character was exempt from
suspicion. There was nothing which he (Sir R. Peel)
would deprecate more than that the intentions of the
Commander-in-Chief should be influenced by any ex-
pression of opinion, on a matter of mere uatary disci-
pline. He was also bound to say that he could not
conceive what motive the Secretary-at-War could have
in protecting Lord Cardigan. It was quite clear he

was not actuated by any political partiality. It was
evident also that some temporary popularity might have
been acquired by that Right Hon. Gentleman's adopt-
..

in a contrary course. Whilst he (Sir R. Peel)
thought that the rank of Lord Cardigan ought
not to be any source of protection to him ; yet he must
say that it was inconsistent with justice that a noblemen
being the commander of a regiment, and a man of high
rank, should be exposed to a punishment from which a
man of inferior rank would be exempt. He did trust
that the same motives which influenced her Majesty's
Government to act with a sense of justice in the first
instance would induce them steadily to adhere to the
same course.

Colonel SAL WEY thought there was great incon-
sis:eacy in the statements made relative to the present
condition of the regiment commanded by Lord Cardi-
gan. The Right Hon. the Snretary at War had
spoken of that corps aq being in a high state of ineffi-
ciency, whilst on the other side of the House an Hon.
and Gallant General (Sir H. Hardinge) had stated
that a cabal existed among the officers of that regiment.
That was in his (Col. Salwoy's) opinion the most un-
fortunate expression that could have fallen from any Gal.
lint Officer in that House. He never heard it stated
that any cabal exited in that regiment. Though he
had not the honour of being acquainted with Captain
Reynolds—better known as " black-bottle" Captain
Reynolds—yet he believed that gentleman would be the
last to form any cabal against his commanding officer.
He (Colonel Salway) was sorry to hear such an ex-
pression from the Hon. and Gallant General opposite.
Sir H. HARDINGE said that what he had dis-
tinctly stated was, that the differences in that regiment
partook of the nature of a cabal among a few of its I,

officers. He was justified in using that expression,
because it had been used at the Horse Guards with re-

spect to the subject now before the House. He was
far from attributing anything like a cabal to the whole
of the regiment, for with the exception of three or four
of its officers, none bad any misunderstanding with Lord
Cardigan. With respect to that nobleman, he (Sir H. H.)
did not mean to justify his every action, but he must say
that he (Lord Cardigan) had not merited the severe
censure which had been passed on him by the press.
He was happy also to say that the officers of that regi-
ment under Lord Cardigan's command conducted
themselves in general with propriety, and with a due
regard to discipline.

An HoN. MEMBER said it was unwise of any mili-
tary man to say one word in that House as to the rno-

fires that actuatei the Commander.in-Chief in his
treatment of Lord Cardigan. Lord Hill had sent
down the inspector of cavalry to inquire into the merits
of the case, and his Lordship acted on the report of the
inspcc:or.

ARMY ESTIMATES.
The House then went into Committer of Supply,
Mr. BERNAL in t'le chair.

Mr. 'MACAULAY, in proposing the vote for the
yeomanry cavalry, said that the Hon. Member for
Kilkenny had on the last evening requested him (Mr.
Macaulay) to postpone the vote. The whole vote
amounted to only 82,2661. for defraying the expenses
of the yeomanry cavalry, and when the Hon. Member
(Mr. Hume) recolleated that the conduct of the ca-
valry was perfectly irreproachable he (Mr. Macaulay)
hoped he would not press his opposition.
Mr. HUME had risea actEr tn•elte o'clock the 'other
night to prevent the vote being pet, which he consi-
derel the most objectionable one in the Estimates. He
did not think such irregular corps ought to exist. They
never came in contact with their fel!ow. citizens without en-
windering unpleasant fcelings, which were not occasioned
by the regular troops. He never reeelleated any corn-
pl dots being made against the regulars, who always on
such occasions performed their unphasant dut;es with
the utmost impartiality. There had been no instance
of complaint in Ireland against the regular troop!,
whilst the employment of volunteer corps in that
country had given rise to the most bitter feelings.
Toree regiments cf regular troops could be maintained
for the sum now proposed for these volunteer corps,
and he was convinced that, with the present easy means
of communication, three regular regiments would bo
found much more efficient than the whole of the yea-
maary corps. He should certainly d:vido against the
grant.

Mr. O'CONNELL, in reference to what had fallen
from the Hon. Secretary at War, before going into
Committee, in relation to Catholic soldiers in India,
wiiiied to remind him that precisely the same promise
had bee., made by I:i3 prrdecessor. He hoped he would
pre-33 the matter at the In lia Hou.e. The ii.formation
sought for could he elsily acquired, and he would take
care he should be furnished with it.

Mr. P. HOWARD hoped the Right Hon. Gentl •
man would also direct his attention to the furnishing re-
ligious instruct oo to the Catholic soldiers from Lan-
cashire and the aghl.inds who were serving in India.
St•angers were ordered to withdraw, and th Com-
mittee divided, when t!.e:v appeared—
Ayes
Noes • 14

Majority in favour of the ;rant
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mates. It would have afforded him the greatest plea-
sure ir, like the Hon. Secretary at War, who had an-
nounced a decrease in ptoposing the Army Estimates,
he could have it in his power to 'hat e announced a de-
crease in the Ordnance Ettintates. He regrett .d, how-
ever, to say that he fe't himself called on to propose a
large increase—an increase to the amount of 186,9u3/,
and ha would endeavour as briefly as possible to ex:
plain
under each vote the necessity that existed for the
increase. The first 'tote was for the Ordnance civil
establishments at the Tower, Woolwich, and the out-
stations. Under this hen 1 there was an increase of
0,7571, ; this was owing in a great measure to the in-
created salaries of their servants, who, a; they grew older,
received an increase of salary, and also to the appoint-
ment of two additional storekeepers at Montreal and
Sierra Leone. On the second vote for the Royal Engi-
neers, Sappers, and M'ners, teem was an increase 0t2.688/.
The increase was owing to an application from the
Go-
vernorw o rks of B
on a
thatrmud as, t forati sappersotLhad and
found
miners,
thatte conduct
the
works could be carried on infinitely cheaper by the em-
ployment of sappers and miners, than by hiring G
lahourers, and therefore, at the suggestion of the c-
vernment, he had applied for this assistance.. Oa the
third vote there was a decrease of 1,2121., arising from
the fact that a large quantity of clothing had been sup-
plied last year, and that therefore there tea; less re-
quired this year. No alteration had taken phee in the
establishment of Royal Art llery. The number of men
which had been aided last year amounted to 576, and
enaided him to relieve the foreign and colonial stations
when the time came. He had, however, been obliged to
reduce the number of the men on some of the foreign sta-
tions, and it it should be deemed advisable to keep up the
present number of men on the foreign and colonial sta-
tions, he should be obliged next year to ask for an in-
crease. On the fourth vote there was an increase of 96/.,
owing to the appointment of a barrack-master at Tor-
quay. On the fifth vote, for Ordnance works and re-
pairs in the United Kingdom and the colonies, store-
keepers, barracks, clerks of works, &c., a great increase
had taken place, owing totet Ordnancebeinge,irobligedoCk works, The
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