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London, England, 1812-03-05 00:00:00

COALS FOR THE, POOR OF DUBLIN

Mr. W. POLE rose, -putsuant to his notice, to
five for leave to bring in a Bill to enable the Lord
-Lieutenant to r,gulate the price of Coals in Dot)lin,
Plrchased for the lase of the Poor. By an a6t passed"
in the Ist year of his present Majesty's reign, cer-
tain officers were emp,werecl to purchase Coals, for
!bleb they were not to give more than ids. per
ton, which they were to sell again to the poor at
not more than is. per ton profit. 01 late years' t
lad been found impossible to purchase the coals at
the Prscribed price, and the low had in fait been
transgressed. The accounts of the officers had
L'nwever been passed, becouse it was obvious that
had purchased the coals at the lowest possible
trice, although not so low as the price wescribed
Y the alt of Parliament. It was not proper - that
the Law should 1e thus violated, lie therefore
3eved, for leave to bring in a Bill to enable the
'Ord Ventenant to regulate the purchase of coals
Iprt the oor, by enbling the office-s to buy it at
the lowest market aprice, to be ascertained by pub-
. le advertisement. •Leave was given to bring in the

IRISH BLUE COAT HOSPITAL.
Mr. W. POLE presented a Petition from the Trus-
tees of the Blue Coat Hospital in Dublin; and atov-
ed that it be laid on the Table.
The SPEAKER inquired. whether it was one of
fl.e. usual annual petirtops from the Irish Charities "?
'Mr. W.. Pocz replied in the negative.
_ The SPEAKER said, that a 4 it contained new mat-
ter it - must be .referred to the consideration of a
Committee to examine the fa6s,

•
Referred to a Committee accordingly.
FLOGGING OF SOLDIERS.
Sic F. BURDETT gave notice, that in the Com-
mittee on the 'Mutiny Bill, he would propose a
elanse to prevent the flogging of soldiers.
A Message from the Lords announced their Lord-
Ships' assent to the Sugar Bounty Bill.

PETITIONS To THE REGENT.
Mr. \VWTBREAD, in consequence of the extra-
ordinary fads which had come out in the cliicusilon
last night, thought it his duty to inquire the cause
of the difficulty of obtaining access by petition to
his Royal Highness the Prince Regent ? The Right
Hon. the .Secretary•of State for the Home Depart-
ment was not in his place, but probably his Right
tlon. Friend would be enabled to inform hint. i.vbe-_
tiler the Secretary of State had represented to the
Regent that there were petitions ready to be present-
ed to him, and in that case why his Royal Highness
'bad not been advised to receive them ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied,
that in the absence of his Right Hon. Friend all he
vrmicl state wss, that be believed the ordinary course
of presenting petitions was on levee days, and that
as yet no levee had been appointed. lie had Ito

doubt, houreven that had ,any special.applicatian
been made on the stNett, there would have been
no difficulty in advising his Roal Highness the
Prince Regent to receive the petitions alluded to.
It was rather singular, that the Honourable Gen,le-
man should ask him what somebody else had done,
with whose department he (Mr. P;) was not con-

neeted.
Mr. WHITBREAD remarked,
.that the Right Hon.
Gentleman was pleased to be facetious• ; but it was
the duty of the Secretary of Siate, as -a IVlembei. of
Parliament, to attend in his place ; any• in his ab-
sence, it was the right of any other Member of
Parliament to ask for information, from those
.who

it was probable could afford it on any subjeti upon
which the public interest .demanded explanation. _
7He repeated that he wished to know, whether the
Secretary of State for the Home Department had
communicated to the Regent the fact •that there
were petitions is the hands of different Noblemen • •
and Gentlemen, which they were desirous of pre-
-stinting to the Regent ? for had such a communi-
cation
l'been made, he could not conceive it possible
that the Regent world not have been advised to it,-
ceive those petitions. •It was rather a tearful. cir- ,
cumstance, and one which by no means ought to
be treated in the light way 'n which the Right Hon.,
Gentleman seemed disposed to treat it, after the
subject had been so long exchided from the consii=
tutional approach to the throtie, that, at the corn-
tnencement of a new zera, the avenues to that
Atone:should yet remain blrred.
- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER denied that
he had any disposition to be facetious on the sub-
jed 3 nor was he at all aware that he had been so.
All that he had -said was, that it was really extraor-
dinary to inquire of trim what course of proceeding
had been adopted by another. Officer of the State.—
As far as he was aware of that course, he had com-;
municated it to the Hon. Gentleman. The Hon.
Gentleman was Correct in saying,that it was the duty ,
.•
of his Right Hon. Frieod, as a Member of Parlia-
ment, to be present in his place in the House, hut
he conceived that on such a day, when no public
business of importance was expected, and when the
inquiries of the Hon. Gentlemen could not by pos-
sibility be anticipated ; the absence of his Right
Hon. Friend could not be imputed to him as a very
serious offence.
Mr. WHITBREAD said, that the Right Hon: Gen-
tleman would perhaps communicate the conversa-
tion-to his Right Hon. Friend, and that to-morrow
he would be able to afford addiqonal infoimation on
the subject.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied,
that to-morrow, his Right Hon. Friend would be
present to answer for hituse;f.
LORD HIGH STEWARD.
Mr. W. WYNNE stated, that some days ago, the
Lord Steward of his Majesty's Household had sur-
rendered his keys to his Royal 'Highness the Prince
11.,-gent, but than no new appointment !-3.d. since
taken place. Ha gave notice that be would to-mor-
row call the attention of the House to the inconve-
niencies which resulted from allowing this office
to remain unoccupied. . .
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER believed.
that to-mot row the office would be filled up. _
Some conversation ensued between. Mr. W.
Wynne and the Chancellor
.of the Exchequer, re-
spedmg the nature of theineimiernencies of which
tt:e former comp aired, which terminated in Mr.
Wynne's repeating his ,determination to submit the
subject to the cotisidel4tioa of the,House to-mor-
row.- .

LORD CHAMBERLAIN AND SERrEANT AT

A Mi

Mr. WHITBREAD said, that in consequence of
another offices that of Lord Chamberlain, not hav•
jug been filled up, the House or Commons had teen,.
during the whole of the 6ession,. deprived 'of the ser-
vices of a Serjeant•ar Arm.. He s,vi,hed fur some
satislaCtory explanation on that head. •
The CHANCELLOR 01 the EXCHEQUER replied,
that the Hun. (.;:?otleman - was Misinformed; for
that a Serjeant at Arms had actually been- fOr-. some

time appointed. • •
• Nit.. WHITBREAD asserted, that this' was no an-
swer to his observation ; which WaS, thaethe House
of Commons had not the benefit of the services of
a Srljeant at Arms, and he lint the anthori,y of the
Chair, and df arecent Art. of Parliament, for believ-
ing, that there was a necessity for a Serjeant, as well
as a Deputy Setk•ant at Arms.
The conversation proceeded for a few minutes
'across the table, but in so low a tone of voice that
we VL ere unable to coiled its tendency.

Mr. MARTIN postpo*ied from to-morrow, to
Thutsday Ilex), his motion -respeding the Office
of Registrar of the Hish Court of Adroirdlty.--Ad-
ioutued. -

On Monday last the Gentlemen of the Clarence
Hunt held their annual Meeting at the Red Lion
Hampton, which was graced by the presence
of his Royal Highness the Duke, of CeAtt4scv, the
Patron of the Hunt.
Mr. BitooGnAm, by what he said on Tuesday in
the House of Commons, seems to el-nest:lin opini-
ons respediog the wishos of BuotqArAierß very
different from those of Mr. Wntrnith-Arl; for the
latter recently eN; ressed his hopes tin! the Usurper
might have what he desired, viz..' Ships, Ct4lo-
[lies, Commerce ;" but Mr. fittousniAm said,
that BUONAPAIITE only expressed such a desire " in
some moments, while sobering under the vexation
of severe naval lo•ses ;" aL the Opposition Member
added, that " po sooner had his mind resumed its
tone, than he turned t') his favourite policy of sa-
crificing his own trade to the ruin of ours." We
leave these Gentlemen to justify their own opini,tos
respecting the siews of the French Ruler, but the'
difference spews that there is no concert in the
patty, and that while there is a general ambition
among them to get into pl ice and power, they are
severally governed by their own notions and feel-
ings, and have no systematic plan for the national.
welfare. Mr. BIiOUGH AM, bowel er, is wrong as to
the time when BUONAPAIITE uttered the otembra.:.
ble words in question, for they were not tile eifed
of temporary vexation under naval losses, but deli-
vered in the intoxication of triumph atter a recent
victory over the Austrians, whose defelted Ge9e-
rals were passieg- before hint : indeed, at the
very moment the British Navy had achieved a glo-
rious victory ; but this event was unknown to' Boo-
,I'ARTI3 when he expressed the sentiments_ in
question.

CONCLUS/641 THE
C#A Ct 4,L0 Rof the EXCHEQUER'sSPEECII

ON MR. BROUGHAM'S ICIOTION.

. .
:Re obserted, that his Honourable Friend (Mr.
Wilberforce) had admitted not only that the Or-
ders in Connell were stridly justifiable, but that
they had produced a beneficial effea. The com-
mercial• embarrassments which were now • experi-
enced induced him to think there was -something
wrong in the system, whiCh required alteration ; and
therefore he supported this snot an for inquiry.. It
did not appear•to him to be a very corred mode of
reasoning to attribute the recent diminu,loe of trade
to those Orders in Council, when it was an incon-
testible fed that for taro or three yeas they had pro-
duced e directly opposite riled ; and when . the &-
crease which had taken place had been so clearly
traced tmother causes. But it had been argued, that
even if the Orders in Council had not produced ef-
feds detrimental to our trade, they .had tended to
encourage foreign stamen. The first and obvious
observation that occurred on this objedion Was, it
was wholly irreconcilable with :those which had
been urged from the sane quarter. It. would. hardly
be contended that the Orders in Council could pro-
duce two efftds diam,,trically -opposite to each
other; they could not at- the same time destroy our •
trade, and yet give such great encouragement to fo-
reign seamen in cartying.it on. That foreign ship-
ping and foreign seamen• had, from the peculiar and
unprecedented circumstances of the times, been em-
ployed to-a greater extent than could be wished,
was not denied; but. that effed was not produced
by the Orders in Council which had been issued by
the present Government. The system of which it
was the result wa.,• in force when they came into
power; and those Gentlemen, who expressAl such
alarm at the consequences of employing foreign sear
men, ought surely to have proclaimed their appre-
hensions when that system was first introduced in
the Administration of Lord Grenville. - He was far
.from contending that, if any measure which he had
adopted was impolitic, be ought to be excused, be-
cause it was introduced by another administration ;
he had merely mentioned the circumstance, to shew
Gentlemen who were so ready so throw every spe:-
' cies of blame upon the preisent Ministers, how ne-
cessary it_was to ascertaitifads before they preferred
charges. The assertion, however, that the are& of

the Orders in Council had diminished the quantity
of British shipping (against whatever administration
it was directed) was not founded in feet. Between
the years 806 and t 810, the number of British
ships and of British seamen employed in our trade
had increased : it was true that the number of fo-
reign ships and of foreign seamen had increased in
a greater proportion ; but that was owing to other
causes wholly unconnected with the Orders in
Coancit. The extra rdinary state of the Continent
bad rendered it impossible to carry on so large a
pornott of our trade in British bottoms as we had
been accustomed to do ; when therefore our com-
merce increased we had only the alternative of giv-
ing it up, or carrying it on by means of foreign
ships. This was the plain state of the case, and it
placed- the consistency of . the Gentlemen on the
other side in a very striking point of vi.eA. They
described in strong colours the distresses of our ma-
nufacturers arising from the reduction of our trade,
e..nd the=y y proposed i• reiedy the evil by reducing It
ltetaer. The trdde of this country could not, 't
-was °hi-loos in the present state of things, be carried
on with the greater part of tbe Continent by British
ships and seats-ten ;we were therefore compelled, if
we meant to carry it on at all, to employ foreign
vessels: The language of the Gentlemen oppetsite
to him.to the •manntaaurers, if they poke taitly,
must be to this effea : " We. feel deeply for your
distresses, which we know arise from a diminution
'of ;rifde ; -Vve,afe extremely anxious to relieve you;
?pet in order to accomplish that objea, we have pro-
posed an inquiry, - in order to see if we cannot de-
stroy the greater part of the trade that you carry on
with the Continent of Europe." Whether the ma-
emfaelurera would be grateful to the Honourable
Gentlemen for their interference, or would apprpve
of their remedy, he would leave the House to de-
termine. He now came to another part of this sub-
jea on which the Gentlemen on the other side had
employed much of their eloquence—he meant the
licenses. Here again he begged to observe, that the
system of licenses,svhether wise or unwise, originated
with the administration of which those Honourable
Gentlemen were such enthusiastic-admirers. e Nay,
the very clause in the- licenses which the Hen. and
Learned Gentleman who brought forward this mo-
tion bad reprobated with peculiar severity, and had
represented as being at once michievous and ab-
surd, was drawn up by that very administration, and
was found by the. present Ministers ready cut and dry
in the office. This identical clause, upon which the
Honourable and Learned Gentleman had bestowed
such opprobrious epithets, was drawn up at a meet-
ing of the Board of Trade, by Lord Grenville, Lord
Auckland, Lord henry Petty, and Lord ferople.
He was ready to adfeit, that if the measure was a
bad one, it was no excuse for him that it, had the
saoetiou of such Flames; tut he mentioned the cir-
cumstance in the hopes of inducing Gentlemen on
the other side not to be so lavish of their censures
before they were quite-sure to whom-they applied.
With regard to the perjury which was said to take
place, he had every reason to believe that it was
mach less under the present system than it was
before, and fur a most obvious reason, that the
number. of oaths to be taken were gteatly reduced.
He should not now stop to argue whether carrying
on trade by means of licenses was not liable to some
objections, for the real question to be determined
was this---It you cennot carry on your trade with
certain countries, except by means of licenses, are
the objections to that Mode of proceeding so for-
midable-that you would give up your. trade rather
than have recourse to it? It Gentlemen really
thought that it would be better to -give up trade al-.
together, than to carry it on by means of licenses,
they would, he prestmted, at in the Committee
upon that system, and diminish our commerce
in
order to increase our manufaanres: Having stated
the circa which the Orders in Council had had upon
Our trade, he begged leave shortly to state how it
had operated upon the enemy. The duty arising
from Customs in France, amounted, in 1803, to
33,000,000 !tyres; in 1804, 41,400,000 ; in 1805,
•;), ;700,000 ; in 1806, 51,7t)0,000; . in 1807,
at the latter end of which )ear our Orders in Coun-
cil were adopted, the du'y amounted to 60,483,000
Lyres, and the very next year they tell as low as

I;vees, rn Isng, t 1 16y fell still lower,_
they only amounted to 11,500;000 livres. The
Hotse would,bear in ins recollection, that while the

amount of the French Customs v► as thus reduced

immediately after the acA.)ptiou of the Ordeis in
Council, our rev-not had experienced an astonish-
ing.-increase. He w.s aware that the Costotus
di:d-,not. form so important a branch of the
revenue in Franca as they do in this country; but

it was impossible that they could have experienced

such an extraordinary decrtase, without producing, a

very considerable erred ap n the rest.of the: r ✓entre,
He knew ihat sorneGetuleme;; on :he other side

were fond of supposing that Buoliaparte entertained
an opinion, half philoaophicalF and half wad, that
trade was produciivc of liberty, and therefore he

hated it. The tad was, he hated British- trade,
and would. willingly sacrifice his own to de,
stroy ours ; but it he could carry on a com-
merce without benefiting us, he would most

willingly do it. This was most obvious from
the paws he took to consttud canals and roads for
carrying on internal trade, and from the uniform
language of those a,-.nual expositions which were
published 're.peting the .state of France. He was
bound, however, in fairness u state, that the duty