The Sun.
London, England, 1841-05-15 00:00:00

MORN 'v ED In ON.

Indies would be inadequate to the, demand in-the Briti
market for the ensuing year. He did not think tie°
the question, as regarded those colonies, had. been fairly
argued. During the past year the West India jiroprie"
tors had, been aided out of the Consolidated Fund, t°
the amount of nearly 80,0001., and such being the case,
and the value of the slaves having been .paid for,
he did not think they ' could stand in '.:the sval
of •tneasures in whieh the-interests of the country Were
involved. He thought the House would be Wong, after
the great advantages they had:given to the West Indians,
if they were to refuse a great commercial treaty. The
exports to the Brazils in 1839, even under the present,
unfavourable circumstances, amounted to more than two'
thirds of the exports to the West Indies, and if by enter-
ing into a commercial treaty with the Brazils, and by
that means opening the markets of South America to oat
commerce, we should realise the proud boast of Mr. Carr
ning, we should have called a new world. into ex-
istence.—(Loud cheers.) With regard to the -timbee
duties, he thought that that was perhaps the
weakest point of the proposition of the Rigby
Honourable Gentleman, bteause he had not carried ea
his principles on that subject with the same boldiiess he
had manifested with regard to sugar and corns-(1W,
hear.) He disapproved of the augmentation of the &IQ'
on Canadian timber, and he thought it would have been
batter to have further reduced the duty on Baltic timber,
and to have left Canadian timber liable to the same duty
at present. With respect to the duty on corn the Mi-
nisters, by the proposal of a fixed duty, placed them'
s
selves in the position they ought to occupy—that e'
umpires between the two contending parties in the State.
They had adopted a course which, while it would
give satisfaction to the country, would obviate many et
the evils of the present system. The Ministerial mea-
sure would tend to make the trade in corn a fixed ,
and regular trade and would conduce to the prosperity
of the manufactures of the country. It was the ()poi°
of Mr. Blamire, a high authority on the subject, that e
fixed duty as a protection to agriculture was preferable
to the sliding scale. Many agriculturists would. have
preferred a duty of 10s. to one of Bs., but he thought that
in order to obtain a final settlement of the question that
agriculturists would be acting wisely to accept the pro'
position of the Chancellor of the Eichequer.—(Hesr,
hear.) The present system had been tried for well"
years, and during seven of those years there had. been
a considerable importation of foreign, corn, ,therefore
they had failed in their object of insuring a perwa;
nent supply from the home-grower.-(rear,). He'wa"
glad to see that -the Government did not mean t°
deny to the manufacturers of corn that protection
to which he thought they were entitled. He should he
sorry to expose the British husbandman unprotected tt°
competition with the corn-grower of Poland and the Cry
mea. He considered the absolute repeal of the Core'
laws a measure which would lead to vast mischief and
hardship, and he was glad to see the Goverument, in.
stead of giving into the opinions of theorists, Pursuing
middle course, and he was sure the scheme they had sub'
mitted to the House would be approved -of by the coup'
try, and that on an appeal to the country, a swum'
would be given in their favour.—(Cheers.) He gave
them full credit for that dignified disregard of the ein°'
luments of office which had impelled then to declare,that whether in or out of office, they would maintsw
the principles they had propounded, and he was cell.
vinoed the country would wish to see these measure car'
vied out 'by the Ministers who had propounded them
and not by those who, now seated on the Oppositi°°
benches, might hereafter find it convenient to adopt
them. He was sure the country wished to see these raeasurfs
carried out by its friends, and not by those who were is
opposition to it. The country was anxious to see re;
forms carried out by Reformers.—(Hear, hear.)
that the Ministers should resign office without appew.'
to the country, he could not for a moment contemplate',„:
That the House and the country should seethe
measure carried out by single-hearted Reformers was not
only his wish but that of every right-minded-man in the
country.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. Alderman COPELAND totally dissented from
the proposition brought forward by the Chancellor oft
,
Exchequer. He thought the budget, if carried out, wt
prove the total ruin of the commerce of the • Colint.;.
As to the Corn-laws, their total reed would not 'ame-
liorate, in any way, the condition of the Men";
of the country. Seeing the Hon, sue'";
tier for Paisley in his place, he wished to call his
attention to what he stated last t4it relative to the
India and China Association. He stated, as Deputy'
Chairman of that Association, that that Society w!fi,e !-
favour of the propositions of the Chancellor of th:3.01;
chequer. Now, he (Mr. Alderman Copeland) felt bound most unequivocally to state that such was not the
fact, but that they were most decidedly opposed to it.
Mr. HASTIE felt obliged to the Hon. Member for Coleraine for giving him an opportunity of putting him-
self right. What he had stated was that all but a 'ea-
,jority of the people connected with India approved.of3
moderate differential duty, not a prohibitory duty, and
in that the Hon. Member cordially concurred. He *.,11.,a
also to state, that when he mentioned that he was me;
puty-Chairman of that Association, he mentioned
with the view of convincing the House that he had
grounds for the statements he made.
Sir H. VIVIAN was always unwilling to trespass 0.0
the indulgence of the House,
_ and especially was. -I_l
so at the present time, when the discussion .had
proceeded for six days ; but having always been
strenuous advocate for free trade, and having' nay's
d
spoken in favour of the Corn-laws:he thought he,sho u
be wanting to himself and the House, if he hesitated ;te
state his entire concurrence with the views Of
the Government. With respect to the Corn;
laws, he would ask his Honourable .Friend
the Member for Coleraine whether they had '!"1'
swered the purposes for which they , wore not,
tended ? He would venture to say' that they
but that they had deranged the whole monetary syshteere
of the country, and they had made it appear as if there
were two parties and two interests in the country. ;
interestforhis o
andwm ptahret,cho he hadme r
cai alwaysr fee lsto tihnattertt
interwoven
tal
could not flourish without the other.—(Hear, hear.)
would venture to say that as long as the Corn-laws
isted, there would be nothing but distress in the cotta'e
try. Ai an instance of the effect of the Corn-lawss
would state that some time since he had oecasolo,
to go to Liege to see if in case of necessity he could
tarn arms there. He found the manufactory there busily
employed in getting up goods that had been ordered:l.
that
He
onea. •
Birmingham but refused there ; and upon making: .01
quiries he (Sir H. Vivian) found that the anus for wield
3/. 10s. were usually given in this country, he 0:4.1„,
get there for 21. Upon going to Birmingham and 1"
quiring the reason of this, he was told by for
a manufiletnreel.
'there, while the Corn-laws existed it was impossible 0,
them to compete with foreigners.—(Hear, hear.) -A-3. a
the sugar duties it was said if that measure was' came
out out it would increase slavery. He was as decided aspc s
enemy to slavery as ever existed, and being such he ine,t.
state his belief that it would have no such effici
In considering the reduction of Is. 6d., they shoal
look not only to the reduction itself but to the eft
which it would have upon consumption. The .
Lord concluded by saying that borough after linr°oba
had slipped out of their hands. Was the Noble L'-i
at2,d those who sat with him prepared to approve of the
Taans by which that had been done ?—(Cheers _
the Liberal Benches.) Were they prepared to go e r
the Chartists ?—(Here Kane observation in an in
tone was made from the Opposition benclie3;i).
It was possible that such a change as Gesso "
tlemen contemplated might take place. —(Hear.)
would not admit that though.—(Hear, hear, and a laugh
from the Opposition benches.) When that change 'A
take place, depend upon it we shall see the Hon. Barne'
and Hon. Gentlemen opposite coining down to the
;r
House to propose measures very similar to those tinder
the consideration of the House.—(Hear.) It must
off
so. The time was come when it was not safe to put he
the consideration of this great question any longer. *be
time was come when England would see the cause of t a
opposition which had been made to these measures, ae
when it would be admitted that England, of all countries
on the face of the earth—England, rich in its productions'
rich in its mineral productions, rich in its merchants,
rich in its artisans—that England, above
all countries on
• the earth, ought to have every possible facility given to
the extension of its trade.
Sir C. DOUGLAS said as lie had been a Member
i°d
the Committee on Import Duties to which allusion
been made, he begged to tell the House that the anaklif.'-o-s
presented to the House was not a correct statensfe'bk,
what occurred in that Committee. The Honoura, •
Member then referred to transactions which 114
during
occurred in reference to the slave trade '
the Administration of the Duke of Wellington ; andn lie
contended from the measures which had been ailopted
by that Government, they had been opposed to and had
taken steps for preventing the slave trade by the veil
means which were opposed by Hon. Gentlemen opposite':
In his opinion the measures under consideration were 0`
a very recent date, and proceeded entirely from an un'
constitutional tenacity of, office. The Government, came
in with a great cry of " Peace, retrenehment, and re-
form." He contended that. the Government had
entirely. - deceived the country with respect t°,
all those objects.(Cheers.) They never thought
,t.);
these things, except when they found that they we—
losing ground.--s(Cheers.) He had no wish to say ail; •
thing personal or offensive, he spoke of the Government
as a Government, not as individuals. But he would ,j 0
make one quotation from what Mr. Fox had said, on the
motion of Lord George Cavendish against Lord North''.
Administration in 1782 : "He would be an infamoo'
man who Should, on coming into place, abandon the Pr°-
fessions which he made when out of place." If the Pre-
sent Government should, .by the course they were Peti:
suing, render it almost impossible for any other party e
hold.the. reins of office, he' would leave it to the kr"tis
to say how that expression would then be applicable t°i
them.

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Sir H. PARNELL said the Hon. Member hadilna
fault with the Report made by the Committee on
Ainr‘et
Duties, hut he believed that they had named it. Al•st *i )
.conformity vith the evidence laid before it, and that the
witnesses were those who were best qualified to P'll,
1)
nounce an opinion upon the subject.
.lle believed
Report of the Committee had
one, fir to enlighten file
public as to the large sums which were pail, not bY: "r/r
of revenue but for the purpose of protecting paractlic;-Is intereSts.--(llear, hear.) \Vhy there Were "t
than 84 articles of colonial produce on which protect
duties were laid. It also showed how the- iflete t-cr.
duties and the consequently' enhanced price ha4.-dtod
fered with the consumption of various artickts"
country had now obtained the most authentic
evidence as to the immense sums paid annultielt
in the way of indirect taxation, and the manner:in ;valid
the System had crippled their commerce and in3t twit
ttluieresa.mot bpPaiiiedvbl INtV:htyad been clearly establislW4
the entire sum pad by. wa°3l oiflurieifveeCntutea,.xaantid°4tia:lll
quenc.,' was that the people were- paying 40,9k)g,'d •to
aloce th:ta they light lt.appei.kr_.%d
y eatYyi4; out the ,m9asurei;
.reconaniftt!'entitil
;he Report of that. Committee, b.)* revising they 4-Atierce
and protective deities, they would promote the eert,n,_,nt
of the country, place it on a s9und..aqd more Perw"'