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of Dublin, expressed_ his-wish that the inquiry should be. con-
ducted with the strictest impartiality. - He felt himself perfectly
incompetent to conduei. it, as he was unacquainted with even
the names of the witnesses connected with the statement of the
Attorney-General 'fOr Ireland. He trusted, therefore, that that
Right Hon. Gentleman would furnish him, or retheithe House,
with a list of the'witnesses. upon whose testimony he relied in
support of his statement, and that those who had spoken in
favour of the Sheriff would do the same. His own duty he
considered as performed, bv having given an opportunity-for
the qttestion at issue to 'be'decided ; but he ' hail no means of
deciding it himself. As it would not be fair, perhaps, to call
upon the 'Sheriff for his defence in the first instance, he should
I propose the enlargement of the present order, which, for that
purp;ise he inlayed should he now read. '
Mr. PLUNKI'II'T Said, he had to repeat that in the course
of the statement he had made which led to the inqttiry now un-
der consideratiqn, he was eneaking in his own defence, 0191101
that statement undoubtedly. inculpated the Sheriff of Dublin.—
He admitted that it was perfectly natural his statement should
bring the Sheriff forward to call for inquiry into his conduct,
and he was aware that neither the Hon. Baronet nor the
Houtte could proceed without a list of witnesses. He. was
perfectly ready to give their odors.--[The Right Hon. Gen-
tleman here produced the Est, which was handed to Sir Francis
Burdett.]—He begged to observe, •with regard to one of the
witnesses a person named Noble (who had been stated to
have made an affidavit that the Sheriff was related to one of the
traversers), that the affidavit was given to him with others,
and referred to by him as an affidavit, but he 'tad since found
that there was no jurat to it. That person could, however, be
produCed. While upon his legs he would probably; be allowed,
for the purpose of explanation, to allude to an ' observation
made on a former evening by the lion. Member for Cavan.
That lion. Member had stated that he had been informed by
bins (Mr. P.) that he should not prosecute the Sheriff unless
lie were ordered to do so by the House. He was quite sure
that the Honoitrable Member misunderstood, and had no de-
sire intentionally to misrepresent' him. The circumstance re-
ferred to by the Hon. Member arose, not out of the debate, but
out of a conversation behind the Speaker's Chair, in which he
(Mr. P.) said he believed he should be ordered by' the House
to prosecute the Sheriff; but he certainly had had no inten.
tion to say that he would
not prosecute without such an order;
Col. BARRY said, he had not any intention to misrepresent
the Right lion. Gentleman. As to the course now proposed
by the Hon. Baronet, he thought it would be preposterotWto
call upon the Sheriff to state matter crirninating or tending to
criminate himself: The Sheriff had had no official notice of
_ the charges brought against him, though, of course, from the
publication of the debates, he might be able to form a tolerably
correct idea of them. Th ouht to be .put into a specific
Shniv. The mere list of witnesses would give no information
as to the charges.
slr• •PLUNKETT. had only to say upon the point just
touched by the lion. Member, that it was not he that had ori-
ginated the inquiry.
Mr. SCARLETT did not consider that any charge had been
lirought against the Sheriff—the House had merely decided
that inquiry. was necessary, in consequence of the statement of
the Right Bon. Gentleman.
Air. PLUNNETT begged to ask the Honourable !Member
twe believe Colonel Barry), who it was that had instructed him
to sly the individuals composing the Grand Jury were the same
as those who had served on former occasions ? The statement
was correct in words, but most incorrect in substance. The fact
Was, that there were two Grand Juries : one was returned for
Purposes not connected with the Criminal Law, but engaged
Principally in the disposal of public money. The other Grand
fury was for the purpose of administering the Criminal Law;
and on this Grand Jury there was not on an average of several
Terms more than one and a half who had been on the previoUs
Grand Juries.
Col. BARRY rose to order, when—
Mr. PLUNKprr .
course w
the House int . said, he was perfectly aware that his
, as not strictly regular ; but his object was to put
Possession of an important fact. There were 14
heir names, as if they
Persons on their list, who answer 4 regularly 'in the order of
castons •
•
were on a muster roll. On former oc-
ot had often been necessary to tine persons for Min-
attendance.
Lord MILTON Aid not see the necessity
time. The 'louse might proceed inpart to morrow.
_ -
of enlarging the
The Order was then read, and
Sir Or
BURDETT moved that it be discharged
Mr. IRROCJOIIAM a ed that the House could not pro-
ceed on the inquiry to-morrow with any advantage. The Slieriff
was °IIIY a,PurtY in the inquiry, and not a witness. Now he
gm?
. lung even a party,
Hp ot those who held that the House had the power of
enact except in extreme cases. He thought so because the HOuse
but he thought it should not be exer-
ws aware of the .difficulty they must feel at the thought of pu-
nishing a man oti evidence drawn froM himself: Here the Houle
,%,rotdidnbtain evidence without examining the party. No injury
fore,
1 result to either party by th. delay. Ile thought, there-
!, e, that the best way would be to fix a day, and summon the
witnesses o
. appear on that day. •
i, 4 He Order was then discharged anti it was ordered that the
"clotry should be proceeded in to-morrow se'nnight.
titer F. BURDEVr moved for the attendance of several wit.
‘sses (whona he named) on that day. For the productions of
u'ePancls of Juries summoned by the Sheriffs of Dublin in the
(torso of the year 1022 ; and for the attendance of the Clerk of the Crown on the day in question.—Ordered.
- Sir P, BURDETT presented a petition from several Towns
in Lancashire, praying for Parliamentary Reform.—Ordered
to he printed:- ' . .
I • ENGLISH CATHOLICS.
Lord NUGENT (after a few words front the CUANCEILOIL
ca the EXCLIUQUER? postponed, until the 12th of ,May,•his
Motion M faVottr of t ie English Catholics.
Ford ' PARLIAMEN'PARY REFORM. .
•
„ ..ord JOIIN RUSSELL presented a Petition from ths
„t•reeliolders of Huntingdonshire, praying for a Reform in Par.
'lament. .
,!40,rd EBRIN6TON said, a Petition, in substance nearly
esrteiletable
fee to the present, had been agreed to at a numerous and
Meeting of the County of .Devon. .
Lord
Petition wes ordered to lie on the table, and to be printed.
tint d JOHN RUSSELL then rose and said, it became his
attention renew the 'motion he had made last year,_ and call the
table of of the House to the Petitions which lay upon the
tions calling upon the House for Reform. Numerous Peti-
he
__') this description were before the House, and there would
in others if many of those who concurred with the Petitioners
reiltolotr opinion of' the necessity of Reform did not consider the
Petitiotling of
the
-Rouse as perfectly useless. Among those
,_. nit was one from the county of York, the like of which
believedlegneij had Dever before been laid upon that table. It was
dente and 111°W resident freeholders, each statinje his resi-
thou t,07 18 - ProPertY i and among those Petitions too,
oi. p§,...,_ r as nor yet laid upon the table, was that of the City
country.
it, tilueLunt" gh,•eontaining some of the most intelligent persons
tmcountet in pleading the
He was fully aware of the difficulty he had to
cult), ti t I 0 eesened by the reflection.
cause of those petitioners ; a diffi-
who were to be the
clearer he made judges of the cause itself ; and that the
out h'
would be the Is case of accusation, the more certain
too, that
_ sentence against Wm He thought ft singular
'OO, although the Cabinet was: divided upon many aria
staatsitt questions, it was perfectl
lent eman op
,11, I brought the united upon this. Since he hail
mentery RefoPtm. Subject before the House, the Right lion.
osite, who was the great opposer of all Palle-
t called uponle t I had been highly advanced, and had been
\ 'tent
fibre
under- ° undertake what was called the management of
The Right Honourable Secretary was there.the .
•
the system of pnneeca*ltY of coming to closer quarters with
1.. Peerage to. —rruPtunl : to 'decide upon the giving the
1,..* in one, oflice , .
r, -- Proportion to th South., and to distribute other rewards
..., 'them. Ile fain
e number of seatsossessed b the objects of'
would hav 1 the High t Hon. Secre.
- tary would have 0 loped that e
bee •
• would have been c n disgusted at such • employment, and,
. , People repreaentedontent to obtain the support of an intelligent
.to the subject i by an honest Parliament. Ile now ,came
tstelf
,PropositiOn not '
h He presumed he might advance, as it
Constitutio al t°
be
lieni, that that House, which was tile
guarded 4 (I"- --an of the Public Purse, should be as well
. in
_. as possible against any of. its members becoming the
!seenio
_plices.of those whom it was their duty to check. To ne-
w phsli this the
•excludin f re were two principal means :—One was, by
emsr, : g, from that House those who held office under the
01)1,4._ the other was, by giving, the people, from time to time,
othe,,, m, natt to re-elect their Representatives, or to choose
„itutin,n ntt this was the way expressly pointed out by the Can-
celled for Ile did not mean to contend that the Constitution
.taaj,„ ,„ 6 a representation of public opinion, as it might flue-
Of; `_!,i.r rn day to day. He meant ; he asked for, a fair mode
an a fair tune for i th Re tut' f th Peo 1
ng
idea
e presen Ives o e p e.
Le altogether
a sni,3o ..
,disclaimed the u which had been avowed, that
v, 4 rltY ofthe house of Co Commons should be formed by the
'awn and Mothe House of Lords. In suppojt of his own opi-
on this sub' k Alen subject, he could quote that of a person formerly
1.00„, , er of that House, who, to a solid judgment, united the
~,, %Inflexible integrity. He meant Sir John Lowther,
tico_ti first Lord Lonsdale. The Noble Lord then proceeded
parTiettejl the different objections which had been urged against
little entary Reform. It had been said that places of
hit to had long returned Members to Parliament.
ktion this he answered, that it was not until the Revo-
the sectohat the mischief was felt. In the time of Charles
Anne nd, the. House represented the people. He might
• man
ti .„, , Y instances in the present day, of direct nomina.
aaend.overbearing influence; but they were well known,
thereto
13(lrtleidally to the Members of that House. lip should
tTure confine himself to general results; for the Right
leun, table Secretary had said on a former occasion that
'ae "tailwere admitted He found th t out f th, An
einoe,„„ who • ,
" sat in that House for England, no less that 290,

a large majority, were sent by 17,000 electors. So that, in the
outset, he shoved that a majority of the English Members was
sent by persons not greater in number than those who had
signed the Yorkshire Petition for Reform.—(Hear, hear !)
He thought this fact alone-was conchisive to call for inquiry.'
Then -it was objected that the practice, as it. now. stood, had
been the same at all times of our historY ; and particularly
during the reign of Elizabeth. His answer was, that such a
practice might suit the people of those times, but were not
suitable to thepeople of the present. • They were now suffi-
„ciently informed to desire that a stop might be put to these cor-
ruptions. It was said also, that if the Parliament was corrupt,
the people were more corrupt than the Parliament. Thisbe did
'not believer- and if the House would bear in remembrance the
acts of profligacy which were exposed in the case of the Borough
of-Grampound, and compare them with the way in which the
elective franchise of that place would he exercised in York-
shire, to which it had been transferred, the assertion would be
completely refuted. Indeed he thought it
.would be found .so
by reference to the general manner in which county elections
were tarried on. It was objected also that those who advoca-
ted Reform ought either to restore the Constitution
_altogether
to its original state, or form it anew. He contended that he
was not in this dilemma, for he did not see the necessity of
pulling down a house, or restoring it exactly to its original
state, merely because he wanted to repair it. The . next ,ob-,
jection to Reform was, that however the House Might be con-
stituted, it fully performed its duty; and that it virtually,
though not actually, represented the people. In answer to this
he begged to observe; that he had examined the published Lists
of the several Majorities and Minorities in that House upon
important questions : he had taken 45 of those who were re-
tureed for small places, and an equal number of those who
were returned for large ones, and he found that of the latter 15
voted for Ministers, and 80 against them ; and of the former,
33 for them, and 12 against them. He thought it was impossi-
ble to get over this circumstance, for it clearly shewed that the
smaller number of persons went directly against the larger. He
would now state one\ or two instances of subserviency to the
Crown, in opposition to the dieters of the minds of the Mem-
bers themselves: He 'would take the votes on the Catholic
9uestion in the year 1812. The Catholic Claims were brought
forward in April, in that. year, by Mr. Grattan. They were
opposed by Mr. Perceval, then Prime Minister, and the Votes
were 300 against the claims, and 215 for them. In the next-
montitith. Perceval fell by the hand of an assassin and an
Administration was formed, about half of which was in fa-
vour, and half against those claims. They were brought for.
ward only two months aftewards• by the Right Honourable
Gentleman opposite (llr. Plunkett), and the numbef, were,
in favour of the Claims, 235 ; against them 108.—How was
it possible for all those Members to have received instrtic.-
tions on the subject, in two months, sufficient to warrant
such a change of opinions as was indicated by these numbers ?
Upon another occasion, in the year 1811, the House came
to a Resolution, that the currency had not undergone any
change ; set they were, at that tune, permitting Ministers
to receive increased salaries expressly on the ground that the
currency had changed. Another objection to Reform con-
sisted of an assertion, that when that House differed in opinion
from the people, it was better informed than the people.. If
this were the fact, it would be discovered afterwards by the ex-
perience of the .people themselves. But the real fact was,
that that House had often been compelled to retrace it steps
by the complaints Originating in the better judgment of the
people. This was proved by the reduction of the large mili-
tary force granted by the House in 1810, at the desire of the
Government ; and which the people afterwards proved was not
necessary ; and in a late instance of the reduction of the two
additional Lords of the Admiralty. These instances served to
shaw that the House of Commons was not better able to judge
of public atlitirs than the people themselves. The courso•
which he should propose for the grievance which he hat/
shewn, would be that which he had suggested last year, that
one hundred Members should be taken from the smaller
Boroughs, and added to the Counties. He thought, how.'
ever, that compensation should be allowed to • the pro-
prietors 'of those Boroughs; and he would support any pro.
posal for such a measure, having . that for its object. This
was Mr. Pitt's plan, and his own-opinion was, that a million
would be wisely expended for such a purpose. The last ob.
jection lie would notice, which was, urged against Parliamen. •
tary Reform, was in the assumption that public opinion was
a suflicient counterpoise to corruption. He thought, however,
with a Noble Friend of his, that the House, instead of being a
representation of the People, and a check upon the Crown, was
a representation of the Crown, and a check upon the people.
But if the facts assumed were correct, was this the boasted
Constitution which was said to be the admiration of surround-
ing nations ? Was it enough to say that profligate men were
Counterpoised by an enlightened people ? He had no •doubt
that public opinion operated to correct many faults ; hut the
more it was proved 'that public opinion had ac9uired Import-
ance, the more did it follow that the public institutions should
conform to that opinion. In this view of the question, he had
last year brought forward a variety of facts to show the in.
creased intelligence of the people ; and he was then answered
That this proved the excellence of the Government. He could
not assent to this conclusion. He had the opinion of a person
who united wisdom and virtue to a degree which he lied never
known before, (he meant Professor Mayfair), who held that
the public institutions of a country should conform to the state
of intbrmation of its people; and who was 'decidedly of
opinion that the want of this conformity 'had done much
towards bringing about the French Revolution. It' was
true the people were e.nlighteued ; but they would notbe
saris-
fled with the power of expressing their opinion in Newspapers,
and of criticising a Government they could not controul. In
fact, the question was not whether Reform should take aice,
but whether. it should take place now or to-morrow ; whether it
should proceed from the councils of wise men, or be brought
about by public storms. The stream of public opinion was.
irresistible, and a public submission to it would 'increase the
splendour and insure the security of the Governin:-nt.... The
Noble Lord concluded by moving a Itesolution—" That the
present state of the Representatioftiiiiiiires the most serious at-
tention of thiti House.'

Lord NORMANBY rose to second the motion: It was
unnecessary, he said, to trouble the Howie with many. observe-
Lions. His sentiments on this important subject Were knOwn,
for it was not long since he seconded a similar motion. It might
be thought that he should have waited till he heard some argu- '
ments against it, but he could hope for little more than the usual
stock of declamation. Those who opposed Reform could not
now avail themselves of the hacknied topics drawn from the
French Revolution, or from the dangerous principles of Radi-
cals. As little could it be said, that the advocates Of the inea.:
sure asked for the people what the people themselves did not
ask, for their table was crowded with petitions praying for Re.
form. He fully concurred in the praises bestowed on the frame
of the Constitution ; and if he thought all the evils complained
of were those merely of theory, he should not say a word
on the subject. There could be no more beautiful theory
than that of the balance of interests. But what.was the fact ?
Wag it not notorious that there were many questions in which
that House, as guardian of the public purse, when called
upon to vote, spoke not the sentiments of the people, but the
wishes of the Government, in opposition to the sentiments of
those who in reality represented a majority of the people. It
was in vain for the opponents of the motion to flatter them-
selves that the decision of that night would be final. The wish
for Reform was not confined to the great county of York. Simi-
lar sentiments prevailed through all parts of England ; and if
an Hon. Friend of his had been in the House at an earlier pe-
riod to present a petition, it would appear that the great and
enlightened city of Edinburgh was not content with its present
mockery of a representative. One word with respect to what
was now passing abroad. It was undeniable that there existed
a conspiracy against the liberties of this country.-(Hear ! )
They should show the despots of Earope that there existed at
least on country, whose institutions were owing to the .efforts
of the people, and where the voice of the people was omnipo.
tent to correct them. They should exhibit to them the undivisible
front of a united Parliament and a united people..-(Hear !)
Sir E. EAST, in opposing the motion.' quoted the preamble
of the Bill of Rights, to chew that it was then declared that the
Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and the House of Commons,
lawfully, freely, and fully represented the people, and that as
little alteration had taken place in the state of representation
since that law was passed, there was no reason why the House
of Commons should now agree to any measure which would
contradict that preamble. If, said the lion. and Learned Ba-
ronet, any abuses did exist, were they not immediately removed,
as was proved in the case of the disfranchisement of the
Borough of Grampound for curruption ? If the influence of
the Crown was too great, various laws were already in existence
to abridge it, without the necessity of enacting any more.
Mr. RICARDO observed that this question never had been
brought forward, to his knowledge, without the old argument
against it being brought into play, of the wisdom of our ances-
tors. Now he was 'of opinion that the present generation pos-
sessed all the wisdom of our ancestors and a great deal more.
—(Hear !)—The question of the Reform divided itself into
three parts. The first was the extension of suffrage; the second,
the mode of election; and the third, the age of electors. The
first topic he thought the least important; but on the second, he
considered the whole of the question to hang. It was obvious
that if the few elected the majority of that House, the in-
terests of the many must be sacrificed. lie was sorry, how-
ever, that ft was not in his power • to coincide with the views
of the Noble Lord as to the transfer of the elective franchise
of boroughs to counties. The Noble Lord thought that
would effect the object he had In view of purifying the repre.
sentation ; but he (Ztlr. Ricardo) could not agree with him in
thinking so. As long as the Aristocracy had, any influence in
the elections, there could not be a free House of Commons.—
It could not be expected that the people should be able to
withstand the temptation of yielding to such influence. The

only way in which he thought it possible to have a free
elevation, was by having the suffrages given by ballot. By
such a mode, and such only did he think it likely the House of
Commons would ever fairly represent the people. The next
point was, the frequency of elections ; and he thought it neces-
.sary that they should he very frequent. There was another
point on which he t!fsagreed with the Noble Lord. He meant
that part of his argument in which he seemed to treat the elec-
tive franchise as a vested interest. He (Mr. Ricardo) could
' not view it in any other light than as a trust, in which there
wars no property. The people had a right to be well governed,
and if that could be accomplished by a change in the mode of
exercising the elective franchise, they could claim that that
change be. made. The Right, Hon. Secretary opposite had
often observed that if the House of Commons were freely
chosen by the people, it' would becothe too strong for the
House of Lords and the Crown. If a reformed House of Glom.
moos found the other branches of the Legislature useful to good
Government, they would not dismiss them. He must avow in
the face of the House, that any plan of Reform not having the
vote'. by ballot for its basis, he should oppose. The Righs
Hon. Gentleman opposite thought that a House of Commons,
chpsen as it was at present, was a sufficient check on the
power of the Crown. If it were chosen by the Clergy, it
would be a check upon the Crown, as far as that body had
separate interests from 'the Crown ; -but the question was,
whether it would be a check for the people ? In all other re-
spects it was a farce and mockery. ,The Government of the
country he considered was a compromise betwixt the Aristo-
Craey and the Crown. It was said, the House was under the
control of public opinion ; that was no doubt a powerful check ;
but was it a convenient mode of control The Right Hon-
ourable Secretary asked triumphantly when they had a better
Representation ? He answered that they never had a better.
(Hear, hear 4--But he asked was that a reason that they never
should have ?—(Hear !)—The people had now acquired so
much more information thin they ever before possessed, that
they were on that ground alone entitled to a better representa-
tion than they ever had before. It was not fair to represent a
change in the representative system as likely 'to lead to re-
publicanism: The people of this Country were attached to
their institutions and to their rights, and were easily satisfied.
Constituted as file House was at present, a Minister, though
.inclined to be honest, could not be so. He would not keep his
place for a week if he did'hot fall into the mal-practices of his
predecessors in office.
Mr. R. ;iIARTIN assured the House that all the efforts used
to seduce the confidence of the people of Ireland from that
House had failed. The great argument 'in favour of Reform
was, that that House did not sympathise with the people. He
thought, however, that the House sympathised too much with
the people—it always folloWed the popular sentiment. He
should suggest to the Noble Lord to try his plan of Reform up-
on -a morel imited scale, from the success of which they might he
disposed to extend it still further. If, for instance, he was
to bring in a Bill to apply to two or three of the Boroughs on
his side of the House, such as Knaresborough, Tavistock, and
Winchelsea, he assured biro he should have his most cordial
co-operation.—( Hear 1 and a laugh.)
Sir JUAN NEWPORT Confessed that he once entertained
different opinions on this subject from those he now professed.,
Ile certainly was glad to find there was a change in the :senti-
ments of the Pon. Meinber who had just sat down, well re-
membering that that Hon. Member once voted for one of the
largest schemes of Reform ever proposed—one which went to
obliterate from the representation one-third of the Empire.
Having been a Member of that House for twenty years, he
had changed his opinion as to the efficacy of it. He had there i
seen changes in men's opinions and conduct not attributable
in any way, to reason. lie had seen that it was one man's con-
duct in that House,'that could influence the conduct of all the
rest of it, or neary so, and that in scarcely any case had the
sense of the country any such influence.—(Criesot " Question !')
Sir THO3IAS LETHBRIDGE assured the House that he
had not changed his opinion upon this important subject with-
out full deliberation. lie rose to state that it was his inten-
tion to, vote for the motion of the Noble Lord.—(clear!)—lt
was his opinion that thiS motion, by the enlargement of county
representation, would bring into the'llouse a different class of
persona, whom he especially wished to see in, it. This wits a
feeling which was daily ,rowing stronger in the country.--
(Hear, hear !)—He wished to see a moderate and practical Re.
form take place, which the adoption of the Noble Lord's mo-
tion would ensure them. ,By that House taking up the sub-
ject of reform seriously it would meet with the attention of
persons of the highest talents and Character, and be taken out
of the hands of individuals in the country who could not fail
to create mischief, and use it as a firebrand.
Sir FRANCIS BLARE rose amid cries of question. Ho
said it could not be disputed that the question of Reform was
gaining ground every year. Lie begged to ask the Honourable
Member (Sir E. 11. East) who had requested' the preamble to
the . Bill of Rights to be read for the information of the
House, What Was the opinion of William 111. himself, re-
specting the purity of the House of Commons on his being
requested by the Earl of Sunderland to dismiss his Dutch
Guards ? That Monarch replied, if he had as many places to
dispose of as .there were Members In the house, he should
not be required to discharge them.. The observation of Sir
Robert Walp,ole, in a more recent period, had become pro-
verbial, he had asserted " that every man had his price."
But But to descend to a still later time, it would be in the re-
collection of 'the Honourable Members of that House, that
the late Marquis of Londondery had observed, " that place.
selling had become as notorious as the sun at noon-day.—
(" No,- no I" and laughter.)—The „Honourable Member
said he was informed that he was wrong ; the expression,
he was now told, proceeded from the predecessor of the pre-
sent Speaker.—(‘A laugh.)—The Minister of the day had
such influence over the Muse, that if he (Sir F. Blake) were
asked what language to apply to them he would recur to the
time of Richard for an expression.--(Great laughter.)—The
phrase he would address to them wa5.....
" Jockey of Norfolk, be not so bold,
For Dickon, thy master, is bought and sold."
(Continued laughter.)—With respect to the present House,
as he could not say any thing favourable of' it, and as he
was not permitted to speak in its dispraise, he would leave
it to posterity to form- their own opinions upon it. Ile begged
the House would restore the people their birth-right, without
suffering the period, however long it had been denied them,
from preventing that restoration. And as there was no period
without kingly and ecclesiastical right being asserted, " Nulltun
tempos occurritregi ant ecelesite."- Let the Members by their
votes this night, add two words in,addition, "aut populo."
The Gallery was then cleared for it division, when the num-
bers were-1-

For the motion . 169
Against it - . 21.10

Majority against the tr.otion
LAND TAX.
On the motion of Mr. HUMI, certain Returns were order.
ed to be laid before the House, relative to the sums paid into
the Exchequer under the Land Tax Redemption Act.
A Return was also ordered of the number 'of suits com.
menced in'the Scotch Court of. Exchequer, stating the names,
and those which were compromised, with the amount paid in
each case.

IRISH TITHES.
Mr. GOULBURN postponed a Motion, which stood for
to-morrow, for the second-reading of the Irish Composition of
Tithes Bill to Monday sennight. He begged to state that if
the inquiry to commence at the liar of the House would allow
him, he would bring on this motion an Friday se'nnight.
DIYIONPF COUNTIES.

The Counties Division Bill was rea athi-rdtime and passed.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
louse adjourned at ITALY-riolT ELEVEN.

MEItCAN'III.P.: SHIPPING.

DEAL, APRIL 24.—Wind N.N.E.—The sloop Lively,
Smith, of Sunderland, after delivering her cargo (coals), beat
upon the beach this morning, the wind blowing strong from
the N.E., and has become a total wreck. Put back the Jane,
Wylie, for St. Lucia ; 6 r. at.—Came down from the River
and sailed, the Ebenexar, for St. John's, and Utbistel, for
Gibraltar. - _ -

011714 MOUTH, APRIL 24.—Wind N.N.E.—Sailed his
Majesty's ship Briton for Plymouth,
.South America;
St. Vincent ; and
oAjcseaxn,,nill:onnin,gftoorn,QNueewbescou; Itibanmg,,aiCesi.ark
Pit.vstouTti, APRIL 23.—Wind S.S.W.—Arrived his
Majesty's ship Bathurst, from New South Wales; Trinculo,
from Portsmouth, with loss of topmasts ; Latona Amy, from
Demerara. Off the Sound the Sesastris, with Lady Cochrane
on board, from Valparaiso. •
FALMOUTH, APRIL 23.—Wind S.E. to S.W.—Arrived
the Trial and Ilebe, from London. Sailed his Illajesty's ship
Clinker, with a mail for the Islands. Arrived oft' the port the
Stark, Summers, from Charlstone, 37 days; "Imam, ,
Hall
from Baltimore, 20 days, both for llamburgh.

CORN EXCHANGE, A ran. 25.
The supply of most kinds of Corn to this day's market is
tolerably good, and of Oats is very large ; Wheat still keeps
gradually advancing ; Barley is also rather clearer ; Peas and
Beans remain as on Monday ; although the quantity of Oats is
considerable. yet the demand being very large they obtained
rather more money than Monday.

This morning, a little after ten o'clock, a fire
broke forth in the kitchen of Mr. Bnoivw, tailor and gaiter.
maker, Strand, which, for a time threatened serious mischief,
but with the aid of some engines and a supply of water it was
soon extinguished, without doing much damage.

_PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINOS.

HOUSE OF COMMONS:
Jovis, 24 die Aprilis, 1823.

FrotEarrs--Pirtsea and Emsworth—Petitions from Ports-
mouth, Portsea, and Gosport, against; Bill reported, to .be
ingrossed. Tay—Petition from Dundee, against, referred
to the Committee on the Bill ; Bill read a second time, and
committed.

PoLicF.Greenwicn , 1 Bills read a second time, & corn-
DILAINAGE—Deeping Fen ) initted.
1).-cLostrnEs—Ahtliorpe,(Northampton).Bill -read a second
time, and committed. Cherry Burton (York)—Bill report.
ed, to be ingrossed. , Egton-with.Newland (Lancaster)--Bills
• read a third time, and passed. ' •
Cozen or REctutsts—Southwark—Four Petitions, against,
to lie On the table ; Bill to be read a second time on May 2.
RoAns—Tenbury, Cockermouth, &c. -Darlaston, Wigtown,
and Garstang and Lancaster-Bills reported ; to •be in-
grossed. Haworth and Kighley, Wadsley and Langset,
Nl"ibsey Bank Foot, and Oakhampton—Committees revived.
Bolton and Blackburn, Worthing, and ll'. hop's Waltham—.
Bills read -a third time, and passed. Petition from Cole-
ridge and Stanborough, against. Kettering, &c.—Petition
of Justices of the Peace. and others of Newport Pagnell,
against, referred to the Committee on the Bill. Castleton—
Petition of Inhabitants of' Rochdale, in favour of. • Alfreton
—Petition 'of John Wright of Isenton,- against, referred.
HARBOURS--Holyhead and Howth—Petitions of Trustees of
St. Alban's and South Mins, and Whestone Roads, against.
Stranraer—Five Petitions, against. •
TAY FERRIES ACT AMENDMENT }Bins read a first time.
Ju arts (Scotland)
PiEns—;Scarborough—Bill reported, to be ingrossed.
GAs LIGHT--Ratcliffe—Petitions of Joseph Vicars, and Com-
missioners for paving St. John, Wapping„ against ; referred.
Stamford—Bill read a second time, and cominitted._
IMPROVEMENTS—Bermondsey—Petitions of Inhabitants of
St. Mary Magdalen, .Berinondsey, and St. Nicholas, Dept.
ford, and Commisioners of Pavement, against, referred to
the Committee on the Bill. . •
SPIRIT LICENCES (Irelaml)Petition of Hotel-keepers of
Cork, for a reduction of the Duty thereon ; to be printed.
Cbar. Es•7-Petitions from City of London, Woodbrige,
and Penryn' against the Duties on Coals carried coastwise.
REFORM or Pint lASlENT—Petitions from Counties of Suf-
folk, Norfolk, and Huntingdon ' • City of Oxford-; Hundreds
of Launditeli, North Greenhoe Brothercross, North Erging.
ham, and Ilumbleyard ; and 'from Selkirk, Rochdale, and
Manchester, in favour thereof.
GAME LAWS—Petition of Magistrates of in favour of
an alteration.
SHERIFF or DunLlN—Committee •of Inquiry into his con.
duct deferred from Friday to Friday 211 May :—Order for
the attendance of Mr. Sheriff Thorpe on Friday read, and
discharged r—To attend on Friday 2d May. •
Ordered,--That Barrett Wadden„
i Crown Inn, Redcross-
street, Liverpool; Robert Fletcher, nn. Dublin ; Benjamin
Smith, Dublin ; Daniel Smith, woollen-draper, 'Dublin ;
John Atkinson, Dublin; Geo. Atkinson; Dublin • Scbieski
Kildalk, Sackville.street, Dublin ; 'Richard Milliken, hook.
seller, Dublin ; \t'at. Graham, Dublin; Henry Noble, Glen-
cullen ; John M`Connel, silk-manufacturer ; Henry Cooper,
Sheriff; Henry Arther, Solicitor of Sheriff's Office ; Gabriel
Whistler, Sub-Sheriff; Mansfield, °oldie, Clerks
in the Sheriff's Office ; 13. Richy, Clerk of the Crown ; Geo.
Farley, Attorney, ; James Troy, silk-mercer, Bridge-street ;
Philip B. Ryan, Excise-officer; Christopher Moran, painter;
George Harris, sajeant 7th Hussars ; , Wynne Faucett, Peter
street ; Stephen 'fill, Poole, and Nolan Elrington
otherwise Llrington Nolan,' Saunders' Newspaper Office,
do attend this house on Friday, 9d May. - •
Orderedl That the Pannels for the Dublin Commission
,Grand Juries for the year 1022, and for the Commission Grand
• Jury of January '1023, be laitibefore this House, and that
the Clerk of the Crown do attend thcrewith,on Friday 2d May.
GAME—BiII to legalize the sale thereof ordered.
CAPITAL CRIMES=-Bill to allow persons charged therewith
to make their defence by Counsel ordered:
Orin. CowrixoEmeir.s.—Return ordered of the name 'and
age of the person appointed to succeed Mr. G. Thibinson as
Collector of the Customs at Sunderland, and the date of Iris
appointment.
COMPOSITION or Titling (Ireland) BlLL—Committee de.
ferred till Friday 2d May.
COMMUTATION or TITHES—Second reading of the Bill
deferred till Friday, 'May 1 •
CilUncn RATES ( Ireland) 'BlLL—Committee deferred till

to-morrow tthis day).
Diviatow a or Co UN T lEs-Ifill read a third time, and passed.

ORDERS of the DAY for THIS DAY.
1. Joint Tenancy. (Ireland). Bill—Further consideration of
Report. , •• ,
2. Slave Trade Consolidation Bill—Se&ind Reading.'
1 Masters-and Apprentices Bill—Second Reading.
• 4. Great Sessions in Wales Bill—Second Reading.
5. Registry of Vessels Bill—Second Reading.
6. Weights and Measures Bill—Third Reading.
7. Grand Jury PresentmetitS (Ireland) ,
U. County Treasurers ( Ireland) BM—Further consideration of
Report.
9. Sttpply—Committee.
10. Ii ays and Means—Conunittee. •
11. Apprenticeships Bill—Committee.
12. Sheriff Courts (Scotland) Bill —Committee.
13. Commissary Courts (Scotland) Bill—Committee
14. Union Duties Bill—Further consideration of Report.
15. Supply—. Reports.
19. Union and Intercourse (Ireland) Acts—CoMMittee there.

upon. • .
17. Church Rates (Ireland) Bill—Committee.
18. Militia Reduction (Ireland) Bill—Committee:
19. Beer Duties Bill—Further consideration of Report.
NOTICES .G IVEN '• YESTERDAY.
Tuesday, April 29.
Mr. Kennedy—Select Committee on the Roads leading from
Glasgow to Portpatrick. •
Thursday, May 8.
Lord Nugent—Bill to
.place the Roman Catholics of Great
Britain in the same situation as those of Ireland. Deferred
from May 2.
Tuesday, May 27.
Mr. Kennard--Bill to alter and amend the Laws respecting
the burial of persons who have been adjudged/do de se.
PRIVATE BILLS—SECOND READINGS for rIIIS DAY.
1. Casleton and Rochdale Road 12. Woolwich Gas Light.

SAINT MARK—Holiday at the Bank, Exchequer, East India
and South Sea Houses.

PRICE or, FOREIGN STOCKS Ix LONDON, APRIL 25,

AT ONE O'CLOCK.
French Five per Cents. 1)0.
{Six per Cents. 00.
Russian Five per Cents. (Metallic) 00.
Ditto New 76.
Neapolitan
I. Five per Cent. Bonds, 71a.
Scrip, 00. ,
Austrian Five pereents. (Metallic) 00,
Five per Cent. Bonds, 41.
Spanish New Ditto, 33a.
I
Scrip, 00 disc. - •
. I Five per Cent. Bonds, 82b.
Prilsglan- . Ditto New, 82.
Danish Five per Cent. Bonds, 86.
Chili 68.
Colombian Six per Cent. Bonds, 6.5 i.
Peruvian ' New Loan, 00.
Bank Shares All Ss.
American Six per Cent. 90-98.
Five per Cent". 03a-97.
Three per Pent. 70.

HIGH WATER AT LONDON BRIDGE TO-MORROW.
Aiming, 44 minutes after 2. I Evening, 2 minutes after 3.

THE SUN.

SOLEM QUIS DICERE FALSUM AUDEAT

LONDON,
FRIDAY, APRIL 25, 1823.

THE KING.

Carlton Palace, Two o'Clock.—His MAJESTY,
we most fervently rejoice to state, was so much
better this morning, that it was deemed unneces-
sary to issue a Bulletin.--His MJESTY'S reco-
very continues rapidly progressive to the present
hour.

We have received the Paris Papers of Tuesday.
The Monitsur gives a more particular kceouut of
the contents► of the Telegraphic Dispatch from

Bayonne, respecting the action at Logrono, the
substance of which we communicated yesterday.
It appears that the town was not carried without
strong opposition on the part of the Spaniards.
There is every reason to suppose that the entry
9f the French troops into Catalonia will meet
with immediate and the most determined oppo-
sition. The inhabitants of- Figueras have sent
their wives and families into the interior, and all
the men capable of serving have taken up arms.
The Gosernor of the Fort of Figueras is resolved
on defending it to the last extremity.. 4

At Puycerda the Commandant assembled the
garrison, read to them the Proclamation of
QUESADA, and gave full liberty to such as wished
to join the French party to leave that fortren,
but all remained faithful to their colours, and
answered with cries of Live the Constitution, or
Death !

It was reported from l'ar;ous quarters that the
Army of the Faith had evacuated the fortress of
Murviedro, after their defeat near Valencia.

Fauxcii Ft/MM.—APRIL 22.
Five per Cents.

.
Lowest ll3 t 15 c.
Closed at B4f. 35 c.
Bank Stock 1520 1. c.
Neapolitan Stock 7li 1.
Exchange on London—One Month 25 f. 65 c.
Three Months «5 1. 43 c.

We have received Bayonne Papers to the istit
instant. The following are extracts :-----
"' PROCLAMATION of GENERA], QUE:SA7)A, AD-

DRESSED to the IVIUNICIP.ALITY of RILBOA.

" The French army, commanded by his Royal Highness the
Duke of Angoulerne, has entered Spain, preceded by that of our
Sovereign, to re-establish peace and order; in a few days
this- city will be occupied. I request you,. Gentlemen, and I
charge you to take, care that no useless-resistance be made,
the sole result of Which would be the ruin of this beautiful
and wealthy city. Neither the French nor we come to exorcist,
vengeance, or to pursue any persons for political opiniens ; we
come only to contribute to the union of all Spanitirds, by
restoring to liberty our • captive King. Let every one,
therefore, remain tranquil at' home, . with confidence and
certainty that he will not be molested. Let care be taken to
adopt proper measures that there may be no want of provisions
and other things necessary for both armies. The French army
pays ready money for every thing that it uses, and observes
the strictest discipline. Let the Municipality which existed
before the year 1820 be restored, and above all let the Stone of
the Constitution be removed. I doubt not, Gentlemen, that
you will answer me without delay. I promise you to ptit my-
self immediately at the head of my army, to prevent it from
committing the smallest excess.
" Ilead-qua'rterset Montdragon, April 10."

BAYONNE, APRIL 17.—1 t appears from the
proclamation of General Quesadn, that the plat►
of excluding the Spanish troops from the van..'
guard has been relaxed with respect to him. This
General has_ hitherto conducted himself well in
'all the places that he has entered. Inthorin,
nothing opposes the progress of the united armies ;
on the contrary, every thing facilitates it. They
are yet, however, in the countries which formerly
enjoyed peculiar privileges, and are the least in-
cline(' to the constitution of any in Spain.
" The great difficulty will be to supply the
troops with provisions as they advance; hitherto
they have drawn ample resources from our fron-
tiers, but the Alffictilty and the expet►ce will
greatly increase as they proceed,-end it is to be
apprehended that .Spain is not able to furnish the
necessary supplies.
It. has been states) as certain, that the first
corps. was going to march in the direction of Pam..
peluna, in order to join the third, and endeavour
to repulse the Spanish troops, which are uniting
between Tafaillat and Tudela, and which are corn..
posed of the corps of. Ballasteros, the Pastor, and
all the. Patriots who have voluntarily quitted the
country at present occupied by the French and the
Army of the Faith ; but this movement has not
been affected, for an -officer who left Vittoria yes-
terday morning says, that the Vanguard of the
first corps had taken up its positions the
some day on the Ebro. Those whose hopes of:
Success are sanguine will have it, that Part►pelunn.
is ready to be delivered up to our troops, and
that in a few days the town and even the citadel
will be evacuated, without firing a shot and
without capitulation."