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THE SUN, LONDON, TUESDAY, JUNE 16, 1840.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, _TUNE 15.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woolsack
at Five o'Clock.
The Earl of STANHOPE presented petitions on the
subject of the Poor-laws and against the trade in opium.
The Earl of HA DDINGTON presented petitions
aLs.ainst the Municipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill.
The Customs' Duties Bill went through a Committee,
and was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
The Earl of REDESDALE presented a petition from
a Board of Guardians of a Poor Law Union in Worces•
ter, praying that the services of Assistant Commissioners
might be dispensed with.
The Bishop of WINCHESTER presented a petition
against the National System of Education in Ireland.
The Earl of C HARLE VILLE presented a petition
from the Coroners of Ireland, praying for an increase of
their salaries.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELAND).
Lord LYNDHURST begged to ask whether it was
intended to introduce any measure for the purpose of cor-
recting the errors in the Bouniary Clauses of the Irish
Municipal Bill ?
Viscount MELBOURNE replied in the negative.
Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from the city
of Nirwich, praying for an alleviation of the punishment of
Mr. F. O'Connor, and of the other persons convicted of
political offences. From the Chairman of the Universal
Suffrage Association of Glasgow, praying for an extension
of the suffrage. Also a petition from another Radical As-
sociation of Glasgow, praying for thedismissal of her Ma-
jesty's present Administration.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY thought the pre-
sent was a good opportunity of ascertaining from the
Noble Viscount on what principle he intended to conduct
the affairs of the country. Within the last four weeks they
had sustained not less than half a dozen defeats, and two
in the House of Commons, including the defeat on the
question of Corn, when the Noble Viscount was deserted
by all his colleagues, and even by his right-hand friend,
the woods and forests.—(Great laughter.) In the unex-
ampled crisis in which the country was placed, he thought
there should be some explanation given.
Viscount MELBOURNE said it could not be expected
that he should enter into the wide field of discussion which
the Noble Marquis had opened. He should be very
happy to answer any specific question put to him; but,
with all due courtesy to the Noble Marquis, he most de-
cline answering the question.
The Earl of GLENG A L moved for several returns
relative to the state of Crime in Ireland, which were
agreed to.
The Marquis of LONDONDERRY presented a peti-
tion from Hartlepool in Durham aginst the Ecclesiastical
Duties and Revenues Bill.
PRISONS. _ .

The Marquis of NORM AN BY moved the further con-
sideration of the amendments of the Commons to the
Prisons Acts Amendment Bill. He had prepared
an amendment which he felt satisfied would meet the
views of their Lordships, as they had been stated in the
recent discussion.
Lord BROUGHAM was not inclined to offer any op-
pesition to the clause, although he again repeated that he
did not think the present the proper course of proceeding
which should have been adopted by a Bill regularly intro-
duced and Cully discussed.
The amendment was then agreed to, and the Bill was
read a third time, and passed.
' The LORD CHANCELLOR presented several peti-
tions in favour of the Administration of Justice Bill, from
Bristol, Leicester, Wakefield, Chester, and other places.
The Marquis of WE ST NIB ATH suggested an im-
provement in the examination of witnesses before Com.
missions issued from the Courts of Chancery in that
country or Ireland; by which the civil proceedings would
be placed upon the same footing as criminal ones. There
were strong objections to the mode of taking the deposi•
tons of witnesses, instead of compelling them to appear
personally before the Court.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, JUNE 15.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at the usual hour.
Divers Divorce Bills were read a second time.
On the motion of Mr. BA RNEBY, the it't. Harman
Enclosure Bill was read a third time and passed.
On the motion of Mr. H. BERKELEY, the Lords'
Amendments to the Bristol Building and Improvement
Bill were agreed to.
On the motion of Mr. WALLACE, the Lords'
amendments to the West Ferry Bill were agreed to.
The Taffvale Railway Bill was read a third time on the
motion of Lord G. Somerset.
Mr. GREENE presented petitions in favour of Church
Extension, as also did
Sir R. INGLIS, from a great number of places.
Mr. D. BROWNE presented twenty petitions from
Ireland against Lord Stanley's Registration Bill, describ-
ing it as atrocious, malicious, and malignant.—(Laughter
from the Opposition.)
Mr. Sergeant TALFOURD presented various peti-
tions for inquiring into t, e treatment of political offenders,
and in favour of Henry Vincent, for Universal Suffrage, &c.
Several petitions were presented against Church Ex-
tension.
Mr. MACKINNON presented a petition from a great
number of medical men, praying for speedy Medical Re-
form.
An HON. MEMBER presented a petition against further
grants to May:tooth College, where, it stated, the instruc-
tion was, that oaths to heretics should be disregarded, and
that their lives might be takes away.
Mr. WALLACE presented a petition from an attorney
complaining of the perplexities of the law, and praying for
consolidation of Acts of Parliament.—( Hear.) Also a pe-
tition from Leic,ster, complaining of the want of facilities
for %ending letters by post—( Loud laughter from the Op-
position)—and stating that spite of the penny post, they
now were obliged to resort to all sorts of byeways and side-
ways to send letters-( Laughter)—and paid, in fact, dearer
than they used to do.—( Loud Opposition cheers.) He
moved that the petition be printed, and he would bring it
before the House to-morrow fortnight.—(H: Also a
petition against further grants for Church Extension.
Mr. LOCK H RT presented a petition praying for
Universil Suffrage, &c., for a political amnesty, and the
restoration o: Junes, Frost, and Williams to their sorrow-
ing familiei.—( A laugh.)
Mr. DAR B Y presented a petition against tlic bastardy
clauses of the Poor-law Act : also from the Archdeacon
and clergy of Lewes against the Ecclesiastical Duties and
Revenues Bill. _

Mr. H. BERKELEY presented a petition from Bristol,
and Mr. PEASE from Yorkshire, against Church Ex-
tension.

SLANEY presented a petition against the opium
raffle.

-Lord GEORGE SOMERSET presented a petition
against further grants to Maynooth.
Mr. T. DLTNCOMBE presented petitions praying for
an amnesty to political offenders, end especially the par-
don of Frost, Williams, Jones, Vincent, and O'Connor;
from public meetings at Edinburgh ; from the Stafford
Potteries; from Norwich; from Glasgow; from Dundee;
Working men of Glasgow ; and the Association of " Odd
Fellows'" Democratic Society" of Dundee.—( A laugh,)
DANISH CLAIMS.—STRIKING CASE.
The Hos. MEMBER then presented a petition from T.
Heywood, Stepney, Middle ex, stating that he was one
of the Danish claimants, and that his claims were reported on
by the Commissioners appointed to investigate the claims,
by whom a Report had been made to the Treasury, who
had not, however, produced the Report to that House ;
and the petitioner prayed that the House would make an
inquiry into the cause of this delay on the part of the
Treasury, and call upon the Lords Commissioners of that
Board to produce the Report, in order that he might ob-
tain that redress to which he had already been declared
justly entitled, but for the want of which he had been
compelled to seek workhouse relief, so reduced had his
circumstances become 1
Mr. BROTHERTON presented a petition from the
Temperance Society of Kinross against the Opium Trade
with China ; also a petition from the Medical practitioners
of Nottingham, against the Vaccination Bill.
Mr. SANFORD presented several petitions from
Baptists and other Dissenting Congregations in Somerset,
against any further grant for the purpose of Church Ex-
tension ; also a petition from the grocers of a place in So-
merset, praying that the House would admit for home
consumption free-labour sugar on the payment of a rea-
sonable duty.
Lord BARRINGTON presented a petition from the
Guardians of a Union in Berks, praying that Union-work-
houses might be exempted from the payment of rates; also
a petition from Berks against any further grant for the
purpose of Church Extension.
Mr. BAINE S presented several petitions from Dissent-
' log congregations in Northampton, Middlesex, and Lon-
don, against any further grant for the purpose of Church
Extension.
Mr. DA SHWOOD presented a petition from a place
in Berks, to the same effect.
Mr. ALSTON presented a petition from a place in
Norfolk, to the same effect.
Mr. BRISCOE presented two petitions from places in
Wiltshire, with a similar prayer.
Mr. E. J. STANLEY presented a petition from per-
sons employed on the river Weaver, against the Weaver
Churches Bill.
Sir GEORGE CLERK presented two petitions from
the General Assembly of Scotland—one against the
running of mails on the Lord's-day, and the other against
the opening of houses for the sale of ardent spirits on the
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Church Extension, and for the abolition of Church-rates.
Mr. MORRIS presented a petition from the Dissenters
of Caermarthen, praying for the release of John Thoro-
good, and the abolition of Church-rates.
Mr. HUME presented a great number of petitions from
Birmingham, Stockport, Barton, Nottingham, and places
in the county of Durham, praying for Universal Suffrage,
and the release of Mr. Feargus O'Connor.
Mr. F. FRENCH and the ATTORNEY-GENERAL presented
several petitions from members of the medical profession
in Ireland, complaining of the injurious privileges possessed
by the Apothecaries Company, and praying for protection
against the usurpations of that body.
CHURCH EXTENSION.
Sir R. INGLIS rose and said, Sir, I beg to give no-
tice, that to-morrow I shall move that the House resolve
itself, on Wednesday, the PA of July, into a Committee to
consider an address to her Majesty, in the terms of the
former address I gave notice :of. The discussion can,
therefore, be taken to-morrow.
Mr. HUME—I will not enter into the novelty of the
thing-4 A laugh)—but I shall move as an amendment
that before her Majesty recommends to the House any fur.
ther grant to the Church she will direct our attention to
(tic hear.
that) to-morrow he would
the rich possessions of the Church and the large grants
already made to Hear,it.--(n)
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EMBANIOILNf OF THE THAMES.
Sir F. TRENCH also gave notice of a motion for moa.

sures to secure the reservation of terraces along the shores to the Noble Lord, which I will by no means counten-
of the Thames for public recreation. ance.—( Hear, hear.)
REGISTRATION OF VOTERS (IRELAND) Mr. O'CONNELL—I understand the Noble
BILL. Lord's request to apply to me, and I certainly
On the Order of the Day being read that the House shall not stand in the way of the arrangement.
should go into Committee on the Clergy Reserves Bill, —( Hear, hear)—but I beg to say that Iby no means wish
Lord JOHN RUSSELL.—Sir, I should now take to compromise thereby my extreme right—l use the
the ordinary mode of moving the order of the day Noble Lord's phrase—but I shall take every op-
for this day, but that the Noble Lord opposite ( Lord portunity to oppose a measure calculated, and I believe
Stanley) having stated on Thursday evening that heended, not only to injure, but to insult the Irish people.
it was his intention to move the consideration of ( Ironical cheers, and counter cheering.)
the Irish Registration on this day, in preference to any Lord STANLEY then said—l will now move, therefore,
measure or any Bill the consideration of which might be what I dare say none of us expected the Noble Lord would
moved by a Member of the Government, I think it no- accede to, that the Order be now read and fixed for Friday.
cessary to trouble the House with a few words, and my This was accordingly done, and the immense body of
reasons for taking the usual course on this occasion. 1 Members who had evidently collected in artieipation of a
believe the course proposed by the Noble Lord op- division, suddenly broke up.
posite is entirely unusual.—( Hear, hear, hear.) CANADA CLERGY RESERVES BILL.
For my own part I consider that that is a Lord J. RUSSELL then moved the second reading
most useful and convenient mode of transacting the of the Clergy Reserves ( Canada) Bill.
business of this House, and one which has been generally Mr. PA K INGTON presented petitions from the coon-
acquiesced in, that on certain days the measures proposed tics of York and Worceater; also from Kingston, Upper
by the Government should be taken into consideration on Canada.
the proposal of some Member of the Government holding Mr. G 0 ULBURN wished to state to the House
such a situation as I have now the honour to fill, the course he intended to pursue, and which, he
and that such a proposition should be agreed to was happy to say, would prevent his entering at
by the • House.—( Hear, hear, hear.) I believe that any length into the details of that measure.
has been the usual course, and as I have said before I ' It was not his intention to oppose the Bill going through
think it is the most convenient one, because those measures its present stage. He should not, however, be acting fairly
which are brought forward by the Government, are many by the House, if he did not say that he had not arriv d
e
of them measures which do not belong specially to any at that conclusion, of allowing the
second readin ,
particular Administration which might happen to be in office without a division, without having doubts as to the most
at that time, but they are measures which it is thought expedient course to be adopted. Ile had only agreed to
necessary to bring forward, in order to promote the busi- permit the second reeding of the Bill, because
ness of the country, and they are frequently measures he was unwilling. to have it supposed that on a
which any party entrusted with the confidence of the measure which was to be contemporaneous with the
Crown would be obliged to bring forward in order to union of the provinces, the House of Commons had not
carry on the business of the country. The Noble Lord, been unanimous. Entering his protest therefore against the
however, has proposed another course. lie has stated principle of the Bill, he would content himself with ex-
his intention of setting aside the usual and ordi- pressing a hope that the Government would see the neces-
nary mode of proceeding—( Hear, hear)---in order sity of altering seme of its provisions in Committee.
to substitute the consideration of a Bill which he hes Mr. G ALLY KNIGHT was opposed to the second
brought into this House. I submit to the [louse, and Ido reading of the Bill ; and he had certainly thought that
it to the whole House, that this is a proceeding unusual, the Noble Lord would have availed himself of the delay
inconvenient, violent, I should say—( Loud cries of Hear, and the opportunity he had had for making the Bill less
hear)—but which at least lam quite sure is a mode of objectionable than it was. lie thought the income pro-
proceeding which is not Conservative—( Hear, hear, and posed was a very small one to be divided between the
laughter)—and that if such a precedent were to obtain, clergy of the Church of England and the Church of Scot-
and if the usual course of proceeding should be interrupted land, over such an immense empire. It was said they
by the motion cf an individual Member, himself be- ought to give satisfaction to the Canadians; now it was
longing to the party in opposition in this House, there impossible to give satisfaction to every one, and he did
would be no surer mode of embarrassing, not this Go not see they were bound to give satisfaction to those who
vernment, not the Government that might exist this year had so recently been in arms against this country. Front
or the next year, but any Government which might be these considerations he thought the better plan would have
entrusted with the confidence of the Crown—( Hear) been to have adopted the resolutions which had been agreed
I must therefore declare that I will persist in moving the to a year ago, by the Assembly of Canada, as the basis of
Order of the Day—(Ministerial cheers)—and that the present measure; that resolution proposed the sale of
I will resist any motion for the substitution of the Clergy Reserves, the investment of the proceeds, and
another Order of the Day. But, Sir, I have seriously that from the interest of such investment 100/.
considered what is my duty to the House on the present a year should be paid to every clergyman of the Church
occasion, having referred to the votes of the House as they of England, or of the Church of Scotland, or of the Wesleyan
have been declared in divisions on this question.—( Hear, Methodists, and the surplus should be expended in the
hear, hear.) The Noble Lord first brought in erection of places of worship. A number of Irish Catho-
his Bill without any division ; it was afterwards car- lies had emigrated to Upper Canada, and in his opinion
tied on the second reading, the House having agreed they ought not to be left in a state of spiritual destitution,
that the Bill should go into Committee ; and, lastly, only they ought not to be provided for out of a fund set
when an Hon. Friend of mine, the Member for Halifax, ' apart for Protestant clergy ; but he would be perfectly
on grounds which I think perfectly fair.--( Hear, hear, and ready to accede to any proposition for providing for the
a 1augh).....1 say, on grounds which I think most just, Catholic clergy out of the territorial revenues.
moved that the Registration Bill for England should be Sir IL ING LIS thought it was due to the importance
considered previously to the Bill of the Noble Lord, the of the subject that it should not pass through the House
House decided in favour of considering the Bill relating to without discussion, whether it did without division or not.
Irish Registration. I see there has been some intimation of He thought that if Hon. Members had been aware of the
doubt as to the propriety of the course pursued by my Hon. importance of the subject they would not have left the
Friend, and I therefore declare again that I believe the House in the manner they had done. There had hardly
intention of the Hon. Gentlemen was perfectly fair towards ever existed greater excitement on any subject than on the
the House and towards those measures, and I can say for present, when it was first broached. The opinions of the
myself, that though I have waived what I thought would Judges had been asked, and yet here was a Bill diametri-
be the most convenient course of proceeding, in cally opposed to their opinions. The clergy reserves
compliance with the wish of the house, I have had always been considered as vested in the Protestant
still supported the proposal of my Hon. Friend clergy, and the only dispute was whether the clergy of
thinking it would be better for the consideration of the Church of Scotland were entitled to share with the
those questions that the English Registration Bill Church of England ; but by this Bill—the absurdity of
should have precedence of that which related to Ireland. which could only be equalled by its atrocity—not only all
The House upon that occasion came to a different con- denominations of Protestants, but members of the Church
elusion, and I had then to consider the circumstances in of Rome also, were admitted to share in these reserves.
which we were placed. I told my Honourable Friend lie held that the alienation of Church property was not only
the Member for Halifax, that if he succeeded in car- a crime, but a needless robbery of the clergy. The wise
tying his motion, and I should succeed in getting principle which the Crown should have adopted with
the English Registration hill read a second time, I pre- respect to Church land in the colonies would have been,
posed to proceed in Committee with that Bill on Thursday. not to sell these lands, but to have made leases of 99 years.
The House having decided in favour of the Irish Regis- The result of that arrangement would have been, that at the
tratiou Bill, I think it but fair that that Bill should end of the period the lands would have been in a highly im-
be place d in the same position as my Bill would have proved and much more valuable state to the Crown. If in-
been ; and I therefore propose, that as Thursday is stead of selling the clergy reserves in Canada they were now
a motion day, he should proceed with that Bill on let for a term of seven years. and by degrees these lands
Friday or Monday next. If the Noble Lord agrees to were brought into cultivation, under the terms of the
that course, I will then be ready to go into the: Bill. leases, they would at the end of 01 years have obtained a
I voted against any instruction to the Committee on higher suns than they could now procure for the fee
a former occasion, and if the Noble Lord adopts my plan, simple. Ile contended that they might just as well seize
I will do so again. I will then be ready to go the property of any public body as the clergy reserves.
into Committee on the Bill, and there discuss it on The opinion of the House of Lords and of the Judges was
its merits. It is for the Noble Lord to take his decidedly against the present measure, and yet they were
own course. I consider it a fair proposition to the called upon now to give their assent to the second reading.
House, but if the Noble Lord shall decline the pro Regarding the Bill in the light in which he had just t
posal, and shall proceed as ho stated his intention of described it, as a Bill of gratuitous robbery, and an inter-
doing the other evening, to thwart and obstruct the usual ference with the vested rights of parties, he trusted the
course of business, I must oppose him. The Noble Lord House would not sanction the principle of the Bill.
concluded by moving the second reading of the C:ergy Mr. HUME was also opposed to the Bill;
Reserves (Canada) Bill. but for very different reasons to those which had
Lord STANLEY said he thought the House would do 'u ,t been stated by the Right Honourable Baronet.
him the justise to acknowledge that nothing of violence The Bill contained two parts—the one for the sale, and
had characterized the manner in which he had etideavoured the other for the distribution of the clergy reserves. He
to conduct that Bill, whatever violence might have charac- was of opinion that the sale of the property in question
terised the opponents to it.—(Hear, hear.) That the Vasa wise measure. As regarded the proposed distrilm.
course which he had proposed to pursue was an unusual tion, however, he was decidedly opposed to it ; and he
course he was ready to admit.—( Ministerial cheers.) was persuaded that that distribution would not be in ac-
li.' was ready to admit to the Noble Lord, the Member cordancc with the wishes of the people of Canada. The
for Stroud, that in ordinary circumstances it was on every wishes of that people were that the clergy reserves
account desirable that the person, whoever he might hap- should be sold and appropriated to some national purpose,
pen to be, VI ho stood in the situation of the Noble Lord, of and to the establishment of any religious sect whatever.
conducting on the part of the Crown the business of They have recorded that opinion through the medium of
the country in that House, should have precedence .ix or seven Parliaments. The people of Canada were
of other measures on the days allotted for the advocates for the voluntary principle; and he believed that
public business; but he asked the House with con- if the House of Commons ran counter to their wishes on
fidence if the circumstances were not unusual in which he the subject, they would promote discontent and ill-will in
was placed?—(Great cheers.) And when lie said the that country. He therefore protested against the pre_
circumstances in which he was placed, he might be allowed posed appropriation of the clergy reserves, and he wished
to disclaim for himself personally any preference whatever that part of the Bill shou'd be left to the Parliament of the
for his own measure upon his own account—(Cheers) wo Canada?, who were the most likely to come to a wise
—but he asked the House if the circumstances decision on the subject.
in which he was placed were not only unusual, hut unpre- Sir G EORG E CLERK was opposed to a great
cedented ?--(Cheers.) He asked if the circumstances in m any details of the Bill ; but he was not opposed
which the House was placed in this important measure, to its second reading, as lie thought it important
touching the registration of voters in Ireland, were not un-
usual aal wholly unprecedented ? He asked, were the cir-
cumstancs usual that, three times on a single Bill, the of Scotland, such benefits should be confined to those who
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Church
utmost efforts of tale Government had been defeated, strictly belonged to that Church. That, however, was
and that against the express sense of the majority of the not the case, and under the present Bill parties were
House, the Members of her Majesty's Government should treated as members of the Church of Scotland who differed
rep escnt themselves as conducting the affairs of the front it in many important respects. He hoped the Noble
country—(Cheers)—and should not only abstain from Lord would take that part of. the Bill into his serious con-
entire opposition to the measure so decisively supported sideration.
—(Cheers)—but should also put it to the ember. M
Mr. KEMBLE was opposed, not to the details of the
who bad undertaken to conduct that measure,
Bill, but to its principles, and if such a Bill were pasted
to take his chance of those three days of each
he did not see on what grounds they could maintain an
week which might be left open to him by the other
business of the House. If the course which he took was Established Church either in England or in Scotland.
unusual, the circumstances which enforced that course Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Hon. Gentleman
were not only unusual, but unprecedented—unknown to who had preceded him had argued on the grounds that the
the practice of that House, and altogether unparliamen- object of the Bill was to explain the Act of 1791. That,
tar Great cheering.) His object was not to obstruct however, was not the case. The real object of the Bill
the public business—( to give the House MIS the settlement of a question which had been
an opportunity of saying what business it would a source of great dissension in Canada. The 13i1,
of 1791, therefore, which bad been appealed to'
take in precedence. The Government had no claim of
right to precedence—their only claim was one of courtesy lost, ou the present occasion, all the force which 1.
might otherwise have. The property in question had fort
and expediency. They could claim nothing of right, and
meily, with very few exceptions, been left totally
he must be excused for saying that in a question of courtesy
unproductive, and the revenues derived from it had
never on any occasion had one side of the House less claim
been mismanaged or entirely lost. That property had
upon the courtesy of the other.—( Loud Opposition
cheers.) He would say that the course of which he had been in Canada a source of much distraction and dissen-
sion ; and it was therefore desirable not so much to ex-
given notice was strictly Parliamentary, and in strict ac-
lain the intentions of the Act of 1791 as to settle the
cordance with the Standing Orders which were agreed to P
by the House at the commencement of every session. entire question in such a manner as might permanently
There was a time when it was found that amendments were terminate all discussion with regard to it. The present
moved to the Orders of the Day, which had the effect of Governor-General had stated, and he (Lord J. Russell)
obstructing the public business. On the orders of the day thought he was justified in stating, that if the English Par-
being read Members were in the habit of moving questions liament did not settle the question, the consequence would
as amendments which had nothing whatever to do with the be that whenever a general election came on in Upper Ca-
subject of the Order of the Day, which they had no right nada, the subject would again become a source of much
to bring forward in such a manner. Now, what had been contention, and candidates who would not otherwise be
the remedy applied, and how had it been limited? Three chosen, might, lay stating their accordance with the views
years ago a standing order had been agreed to, of the people., and by declaring themselves ready to take
which was repeated every year, that ono amend- away the clergfromy any other sect whatever, be elected on
reserves not only from the Church of
meat, and one amendment only, should be moved England, but
to the order of the day—.( Hear, hear)—and that those grounds, and the first meeting of the Legislature
that amendment should be, either that the other would be disturbed by irr.tating discussions. The ques-
Orders of the Day be now read, or that some par. tion was not in reality whether the Church of England
titular Order of the Day should be taken into consideration, was to have one portion of these revenues and the
in order to bring the subject fairly before the House, Church of Scotland or Dissenters another, but the
whether or not they would proceed to the consideration of question was whether the Legislature of the United
the Order of the Day, which had been moved in prefe. Provinces would countenance any plan which would allow
rence to any other. So far, therefore, from the course of a provision for any Church whatever. Was it not
which he was pursuing being unparliamentary or un- desirable to prevent discussion on such a subject? Was it
constitutional, it was the course expressly pointed out by not desirable to remove the possibility of the question
the Orders of the House. His simple and only object was being decided on by the United Legislature, in a manner
to obtain for the measure which he had introduced a full, a of which the Imperial Parliament could not approve ?
Was it not desirable that the wishes of a colony of
fair, and a deliberate consideration for its details, and he
1,200,000 inhabitants should not be rejected by the British
must do his utmost to obtain that consideration for it,
and not have it pushed oiffrom day to day, and from weekto House of Commons? He thought that so far from that
week, by the moving one instruction after another, and one it was their duty to settle the question in a way not re-
amendment after another, whenever it was proposed that pugnant to the great majority of the people of Canada.
the Speaker should leave the Ch. air, for the. House to re- If they attempted to settle it in any other way, they would
solve itself into Committee. Hie only wish was that the merely create a new source of dissension, of discontent and
motion should pass. Further than that be had no wish to complaint against the mother country, which the people
o as if he were to go further he should be placing him- of Canada would say had attempted to impose on them a
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nhuordsdiffiayeutlhtiees NinobtlheeL%ovardy which, according to their conscientious views of public
self in the wrong before the House.—(Loud cheers.) statutary provision, inconsistent with their welfare, and to
policy they could not assent. Those were the general
of the Bill being fairly considered on some proximate day, reasons on which he proposed to introduce the present
he (Lord Stanley) would then have at once been satii. Bill, Its object was first to settle the question by disposing
fied.—( Cheers.) But the Noble Lord had given no such of the c.ergy reserves by sale, and in the second place to
atth e
ho divisionw ou ld
thornowT
assurance. On the contcary another notice to obstruct the effect that sale as nearly as possible in accordance with
had de ven
statedafttehr
Bill had been given by the Hon. Member or Dublin to repeat the Principles which the Legislature of Upper Canada and
an instruction that had been again and again defeated.— the Legislative Council, consisting in a great part of mem- I
(Hear, hear.) Under these circumstances he should hers of the Church of England, had laid down. They hadf
have been allowing himself to be trifled with, the Bill, and that sound basis for the present Act. The people of
thee House, not to throw himself upon his extreme right, if Canada would adopt the present Bill, while they would
he did not declare that the Bill should not be shelved_ never, on the other hand, assent to any measure which
should not be put off day after day.—( Cheers.) Even now, would apportion those lands to any particular Church.
if the Noble Lord would fix an open and an early day for the cos House of Commons had thus an opportunity of
di'acussion his (Lord Stanley's) object would be reasonably dispng of the question before the United
in Le-
satisfied, if the Noble Lord would promise to discounteno gislature might meet, and of disposing of it a 1
et cins—(Hear)___ manner in which the majority of that Legislature might
d h details of the Bill, and
and not afford them even a passive acquiescence.—( Loud acquiesce. W ith regar to t e .
Member
cheers.) Perhaps Thursday, for many reasons, would be rd to anything which the Right Hon.
ante any vexatious and factious. obstru i
Members, might propose in
rankly to the whether Noble Lord to say it should be Friday he did not think the time for discussing
an inconvenient day—(Laughter)—but he would leave it for Cambridge, or other [lon.
~ . .
tilos subjects y
had yet come. He should merely say that
for Monday—he would then be perfectly content. —Ohs
near.) All he wanted was not to obstruct the business of when the Bill went
he had j ust into Committee
down. he
should be guided
tite country, but to obtain a fair opportunity for discussion. by the principles laid
PA KINGTON could not coincide in the views
Noble Lord. He was opposed to the Bill on prin.
That opportunity he was determined to obtain, and to use Mr.
all legitimate and Parliamentary means to get the sanction , of the
of Parliament for a measure which he believed essential to cile ; and he thou ht that any Government of this country
p
the welfare of the empire.—(Tremendous cheering. ) was bound to provide for the establishment of the Eng_
JOHN RUSSELL after a pause of some lish Church in every colony under its rule. He would
moments rose, and said—After what has been said I will i strongly. object to the principle of appropriating any part
say that I am anxious to give the Noble Lord tbe car- of the property which was peculiarly a Protestant
Best eonveeient day--thet I am willing to fix Friday I propeety for. the Li oefit of the Roman Cath.lit• Cburch,
for - this tinm.....and that as far as depends upou 1 Ile el etc'd to the forced sale. of this immeeme pre
,J t,,
me—and 1 Ait't use all the ibiluenee that my eapes.elly at the present price of laud in the colony. He
request will carry to others, to prevent any obstruction I also objected to the investment of the proceeds of these