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WEDNESDAY, MAY 13

ShOrtly after Four o'Clock, the Lottn Cti NCEL-
LOR took his seat on the Woolsack ; aitti diivr
prayers were read, ,
Lo-d BEAUCHAMP pre-sentect a Petition trOm cer-
tain Manutnaurers and others, of budley, in Stat-
ford.shire, Praying for an abrogation of the monopoly
of the East India Company, tither, in the whole 'or
in part.—Ordered to lie on the table.

The LORD CHANCELIMR, read to the House 6 let-
ter he had received from General the Earl of Wel-
lington, dated 2gth April, 1812, acknowledging the
communication of their Lordships' Vote of Thanks
to himself, and the Officers and Troops under his
command, to whom he bad duly communicated the
same, and expressive of his Lordship's own grateful
sense of the high honour• so conferred on him by
the House, &c. The letter of the Noble and
gallant Earl - was ordered to be entered on the
Journals.

Toe Vauihall B idge Aet Amending Bill was
read-a second time, and referred co a 'Sole& Com-
mittee of their Lordships.
The other Bills on the table, also, of a local or
private nature, were respe6tively forwarded.
Mr. JoiorsoN, from the Irish Secretary of State's
Office, presented certain Accounts and Papers (the
titles of which he did not read), pursuant to an Or-
der of their Lordships. . •
Earl CHOLDIONDELEY (as Lord Steward) acquaint-
ed the House, that his Royal Highi.ess the PrinCe
Regent would receive their. Lordships' Address at
Carlton-house, at two o'clock, to-morrow.
Adjourned. •

IIDUST' OF COMMONS.

WrDNESDAYi MkY 13.

LORD WFLI.INGTOt4

TheSPEAKEttacquainted t'te House that he had
received a Letter from Lord Wellington, acknow-
ledging the receipt of the Vote of Thanks of Par-
liament on the tot h of Pohruary, for the capture of
Ciudad Rodrigo. In ohed:ettce to fhe order of the
House, he had co ornonicated it to the Generals,
Officrrs, and Troops of his Army, who, grateful for
the `ittne, had requested. him .to c.,nyey to the
House the high sense they entertained of that ho-
nour. He concAided, exprt-ssing his own gratitude
for the repeated oxoresaions Of their approbation,
and thanl,cing the Speaker personally, for the pecu-
liarly gra,ifying manner in which he had conveyed-
to hint the Vote 'of the House, .
Mr. WaLLACE 'presented certain Accounts of the
Expences, &c. of the East India Coinpanr;—Or-
dered ty• lie on the title.

Mr. BROUGHAM presonted a Petition from certain
W peer; And other Inhabitants in the town of
C ..)wbent, in Lancashire, complaining of the stags-
nation of trde.—Ordered to he on the table.

GeneraiGAscotoNcpresented a Petition, signed by
ma -y of thy- clergy, manutadurers, and inhabitants
of Liveroool, expressing their confidence in the wis-
dom of Parliament and ;n the integrity of his Ma-
j. sty's Mini.:teri, and expressing a hope, that if, on
inquiry into the o,:ders of Council, they should
appear benefit iA to the nation, they would not
be rescinded in consequence of the clamour of' a
party.
Mr. BILOUGEiAM made a few observations on the
Petition just read, which led to a warm conversa-
tion, in which Gen. Gascoigne, Mr. Stephen, and
Mr. Barham, participated.
Lord CASTLEREAGH at length interposed, ex-
pressing his most anxious wish that no angry con-
versation might precede the great business of the

evening.

After this, and a few other words from Mr. Bar-
ham, and from Mr. Stephen, in explanation, the
Petition was ordered to lie on the table.

A message from the Lords announced their Lord-
ships assent to several Bills.
Mr. BROUGHAM presented a PetitiOn from certain
manufaciturers and merchants now in town, waiting
to give evidence before the Committee on the Or-
ders in Council. The petitionerscomplained of the
expences attendant on thefir stay is town, and
prayed to be examined with theleast possible de-
lay.
Lord CASTLEREA4II regretted' the inconveniency
complained of by the petitioners, but the House
would feel, and he believed it to be the feeling
of the other side, and f the Honourable Geode-
man himself, that in the present situation of Go-
vernment it Was desirable not to go into any: public
busineis that could without inconvenience .be post-
poned, and more -paillt.'nlarly not .to go into any'
sublet on which a strong diff,rence of .opinion
Might be'expealed. If then the ioqiiiry gone
on With, he should hope the Hon: tentlemin
would be content to wave for the present any grave
question that tniOft arise, as a subject.for after eon-
sideration. With.an understanding that this would
be done, the. Hon. -Gentleman could examine the
witnesses he wished to interrogate on. certain points,
and alter the holidays, those who wished to examiner
persons-on the other side could calk fall for the wit-
nesses they 'intended to bring tot w'trd..
Mr: BROUGHAM concurred: in tlu: propriety of
reserving any question of grave importance (or after
consideration ; and; gvnerally, as Understood,
with the suggestions thrown out .by the Noble
Lord.,
The Petition was ordered to lie on the table.
MR. PERCEVAL.

-I.ol'd CASTLEREAGH moved for the appointment
of a Committee to frame au answer to the Message
of the Prince Regent, respeEting the mutder of Mr.
Pereeval,.pursuant to the Aesblotion of the preced-
ing day, which Resolution he proposed should be
referred to the Committee.

Sir F. BURDETT said he had no opportunity, on
the preceding day, to express those tQelings in which
he, in common with every Member of that House,
participated. On such an occasion, he rose, not to
oppose the motion of the Noble Lord, but merely to
express his abhorrence of, and horror at, the assas-
sination of the late Chancellor of the Exchequer.—
There was no room for any feeling btit one, on such
an occasion; and that feeling all must wish ;should
be conveyed to the Sovereign, unalloyed by any
oilier. It was impossible that this feeling, on a sub-
jed which concerned the safety of every man in the'

U3tion, shoUld not be carried with onanirnay to tire
Throne; it would, in his opinion, 'be an unworthy
aft to mix any ot.fer feeling with it. It was na-
tural, rrl indeed it might to be so, for such a feel 7
ing to put an end, for a time, to every difference of
opinion. Saying ihiS, however, he by. rio means
precluded himself from taking any line of 'conduct
Whi•C;i-hc niight feel it to be his. duty to rake, after
they got into the'Conunittee, when he heard the
arnonnt of the grant to be- proposed. That .he
might not be so precluded from doing that which
hereafter he might conceive to be his duty, by con-
curring as strongly is any man in the ruotion,.end
as sincerely lamenting and abhorring the atrocious
transatiion which had led to it, was the objeB he
hid in view, in thus offering his sentiments.to the.
House. (The Hon. Baronet here resumed 'his seat,,
ap4iarenily much affeded.)
The motion was then agreed to, and a` Committee
appointed accordingly.
Lord dASTLEREAGH brought up the Report of
the Committee, which. merely embodied the Re-
solutions of the preceding day, the substance of
which is already before the public...
Lord YARMOUTH appeared at the scat, and stated
to the House, that having waited 00' the Prince
Regent, pursuant to the Resolution of the House, to
know when his Royal Highness would, be pleass:d to
receive their Address; be was authorised to say,
that it was the pleasure of his Royal Highness to re-
ceive it to-morrow, at. Carlton ,House, al three
o'clock in the afternoon.

The SPEAKER said it might now be proper to con-
sider •at what time the House should assemble to
wait upon his 'Royal Highness with the Address.,,
The previous arrangements would necessarily oc-
cupy some time. He should think, that to pro-
ceed front the House to Carlton House, would not.
take up lest than half an hour. He therefore pro.
posed to come down to the Housti by two o'clock,
and to take the chair at that hour, if enabled so to
(Li by the attendance of the House.

On the rnotion.olLord CASTLEREAGH, the House
now resolved itself into a Committee of the whole
House, to, consider of making a provision for the

FAMILY OF'MR. P'ERCEVAL.

'Lord CASTL4REAGEI having
,yesterday ascertained
the sense of the House on the consideration growing
out of the late melancholy event; felt it now would
be unnecessary for him to take up 'the time of the'
Committee by going into the snbjea at any great
length. It .was only necessary to submit to their
consideration the regulations 'necessary for carrying
into effea what stu.o. had yesterday unanimously re-
solved to do with an expression which would never
be fOrgot by those who were present, and which was
as creditahle to that House as it sas honourable 'to
the country. In the course of what. he stated yes-
terday; he had 014 endeavoured to :'raw the atten-
tion of the House to one consideration--to that of
making the grant of such a/nature, that the advan-
tages resulting from it should not go from the family
on the death .of one or two individuals of that fami-
ly. It migat hardly' be necessary to state, that in
addition to the. widow of Mr. Perceval, there were
, • twelve chile, en to provide for. The House would
feel that such a provision ought to be made as would
enable these to whom their education was entrusted
to provide for them in some measure according to
the rank, talents, and charaaer of their father. It
had been thought by his Majeary's Government, that
in makinfr, the proposed provision, it would be de-
sirable, in the first instance, to vote a grant of a
substantive sum of money, as if no provision were
made but by an annuity, the death of the individual
on whom the annuity was settled might leave the
children unprovided for before they attained the
years of maturity. He should therefore first propose
the grant of a sum of money for the support and
education of the children, meaning afterwards to
move a grant,by way of annuity to Mrs. Perceval.--
When they looked to the family whicit Mr. Perce-
val had left, it must be seen that the sum necessary
to place the individuals of it in that situation which'
could be wished, but it might be clunb}ed if this
could be done consistently with that economy
it was necessary should be consulted by Goirernment.
in the present situation of the' country. On this
point Government were controuled, not only by the
considerations to which he had referred, but by the
family of Mr. Perceval, whose wish it was, that
whatever was done on the subject, might be framed
on a scale to meet the approbation of all -parties.
The House, while making a' provision for Mr. Per-
ceval's family, would feel that, though bound to
consult economy, they could have no wish to make
a grant that was wholy inadequate to the pnrpose
foi;avhich it was made ; which would be in some
sort superfluous, as it would not mark the at which
they deplored, with that sense of public feeling
which it was desirable should be expressed, to con-
vey a proper lesson to posterity, and If possible to
prevent the recurrence of a similar calamity. The
amount of the sum which it had occurred to Go.
vernment it might be proper to grant in money, was
fifty thou Sand pounds, to be aopropriated to the use
.of Mrs. Perceval in the first instance, and after-
Wardslo be divided among the children, under seep
regulations as the I-louse might 'think necessary.—
With respect to the provision to be made for Mrs.
Perceval exclusively, heconceived that a smaller an-
nuity than 20001. per annum would not be suitable
to the situation in life in which she was placed.—
These were the propositions which he had to :sub-
mit to the Committee. He thought it unnecessary
to detain them longer, and should therefore move—=
That a sum, not exceeding 50,0001. be granted to
his Majesty, to be vested in the hands of • Trustees
'for the twelve children of Mr. Perceval, and to 'be
applied in such manner as his`Majesty, or the Prince
Regent in behalf of his Majesty, should direct."--
The Noble Lord thought it necessary to state, that
the provision which Mr. Perceval had left for his
family was so moderate that it wdold not enable Mrs.
Perceval to live in the manner required by her situ-
ation, and it was also proper to state, that his family
were at present in possessiob of no incerne arising
out of the fruits of his exertions. It must be known.
to them all, that from the period of his becoming a
servant
.of the Clown, he had devoted the *hole Of
his time to the public service. His family had
therefore nothing riow but Mrs. Perceval's family
fortune, which was such, that if distributed at Mrs.
Percevalis death, it would not be sufficient to
furnish the means of enabling her childreb to
enter into any plofesiicin suitable to their
.rank in

Mr. REASIIIIT (of Kerry) thought the grant ia-

, .. . . sufficient, and could not refrain from rising to move
that the sum of ten thousand pound; should be
added to the grant to be given ta,Mr. PerceVal'; eld=
est son.

Mr. H. SLTIN.Eit spoke Warmly it favour of en-.
urging thegrant. sir i'ded among. the family of
Mr. Perceral, it w,uld'amOunt to but little more
than 40001. each; the interest of this sum was not
enough even for theireducation. He Would pot it
to the Members of that rioNe, if such a sum were
sufficient for such a purpose He He called upon
m
-thr to look to the advantages which Mr. Percevai
en;ght-li;ve &lived from hi; profe:Sion, and coo:.
tendul that they world not do justice to him if they
conAned theMselves• to the grata Proposed. He
approved of the suggestinn of the Hon. Geri,lerhari
behind him (Mr. Herbert), and could even have
wished to see the House go further: He thought
they (night to hii've come forward with an AdriregS
to the Prince, praying his Roval Hi;:hness the Prince.
Regent to Confer that rank on hiS which has
been given to others, and that a pr-vision ought to
have been made for the family of Mr. PerceVal, on
a tilore ettended Scale, thAt hfs services miglilt have"
been rewarded as those of other public servants had
been. If they dirt any' thingat all, he thought the
sum proposed to be given ought to be made at least
half as much more. The childrcti ought to hay?:
six or Seven thousand pounds each, anti the H .tae
would degrade itself by its pzirsitnony, if it pinned
no more than was proposed in the motion bcfme
them.

Mr. WreOartroaCe thought the grant small,
when compared with the nieriii of Mr. Perceval
but approved of the condU6 of qbiTerrarien t iii ask-
ing'no more. They did right to look to the situa-
tion of the country, and it was their duty to elide*
your to come forward with such a proposition as
could not tail of Securing unanimity. Minis,!,ers had
taken the''- best ' course they could, considering all
'things. 01'all themea almost Le had eve: known,
he had ~-never known a, single man who seemed sd
insrin6tively in every situ.ition to a:!:t from the flu-
pulse of d sty. IHe was a man of great talents.
(Mr. Wilberforce) had known him 35 yeerg; and
often as he had 'seen him, he had never Seen bini
oth-lwise than from the instin&ive iMpulse of
duty and conscientious feeling. With great vivacity
and a ready flow of wit, he had never known 1:;:i
Right Hon. Friend t ,ke pleasure in making any
n-Lin unhappy fora moment ;he had always seemed
anxious to guard himself in this respell ; and more
real natural sweetness of temper than he had pos.;
sessed, he (Mr. W.) had never witnessed. With
all these considerations, he was of opinion, that
upon the whole the sum prof osed woule be of
more value, even to the descendants of Mr. Per;.
ceval, which they could receive without -hesitation;
as granted by the unanitn,ons Vote of Parliament,
than a little more, which might be reludantly given,
and agreed to by many because they did not like to
object to such an extension of thegrant, rather than
from a desire that it should be so .exteaded.'•
admitted, that it' Mr. Perceval had continued m his
profession, he might have been able to have made:
a greater provision for his• children, but he thought
there was a higher question for them to consiJer—:,
the present situation of the country. He respected
the motive by vv hich his Hon. Friend (Mr. Her
:-
bell) was kinated; but, upon the whole, he pre=
(erred the original proposition.
Mr. Guns reminded the House, that Mr. Per-
cev4l had declined receiving larsalary as Chancellor
of the Exchequer, -which was 2,8001. H. he had
rec.oved this, -his family might have been beiter off
by twelve or fourteen thousand.pounds.f he; there-
fore, thought the grant ought to be extended, -aed
that they ought, at least, to give his childten five
th(Mand pounds each. •
Mr. WHITBREAD would confine himself to stat-
ing the conclusion to which he had come, without
stating the reasons which had brought him to that
conclusion. He thought with the Member for
Yorkshire, that the unanimity of the House was of
more importance to the family of Mr. Perceval,
than a
sum something larger thanthat proposed, if
voted with relu.lance. He felt himself bound to
say, that entirely concurring with that which, after
due consultation,•had been proposed by the N .bie -
Lord, if any thing beyond that sum wete proposed,
the vote of the House would not be unanimous.
Mr. CARTWRIGHT, though he could !lave wish-
-ed a larger grata had been proposed, was ;n favoUr
of the original proposition for the sake of uttanimit v.
Mr. C. W..WXNNE was of The same opinion. He
could have wished the 'House had .been favourable
to a larger grant, but at the same time he must ob-
serve, that the vote of that Committee was not all
the patrimony the children of Mr. Perceval would
derive from their Lather. • They Izad the inheritance
Of his virtues, and those, whatever situation his off-spring might be placed in, would ensure them the
respect and assistance when practicable iron] persons
of all parties.

Mr. HERBERT offered a few observations which
we could not distintily hear. We understood him
to decline pressing his proposition for increasing the
grant.

Mr. BANKES moved; that the following words
should be added to the motion :---" The said sum
to be paid without feb or dedua ion."

Mr. HAWKINS BRovv7,9E proposed making Old
grant 60,0001. an moved
.to that effect, but the
motion was not seconded.

The qut.stton on the original, Motion, with the
addition of the worth proposed by Mr. Bilnhe.tl, wa4
then put -and agreed to, with one dissentient voiCei
that at .-Mr. H. Browne, , Whose.. Opposition had
of course' for its ()kid& the substitbtion of a laret
gram.

The question was then put again, and carried
nein. ctn./.

Lord CASTLEREAGH moved that the annual sotri
of 20001. be granted to his -Majes!y out of the Con=
solidated Fund, to commence from the ifth of May
to enable him to grant an annuity to that
atnoont to Mrs. Jane Perceval, widow of the Right
Hopi. Spencer Perceval, tor the tertn of her natural
life.

Mr. H. SUVENER felt it to be a dUty he owed to
his constituents to move an amendment to contintist
the annuity to Mr. Rtsceval's eldest son. It ill do
ing this he sacrificc-d •unanitnity; he felt that be sa..
crificed but a for►n; as he had no doubt of his mo-
tion bein carried, if it did not meet with unanimous
support._

Sir M.Woop miggested to the fierlourab!e Alm-
ber whether it would net be bet ret• to tot the re, -
lution of the Noble Lord be first ,pit and afterr'

v ar,`s mov(fl' that which he bad brought forward es.s
2 (I..vind re,alution, as doing this, two of the reso-
lutions wnul t !ass unanimously, whatever•mightte
the tate of she. t fwd.
Mr. C.' W. WyNNB recommended it. to 'the
Honourable Gentleman to avail himself of this sug-

grAtion. `,•
- Mr. H. 'SUMMER was understood to agree to
this, and tht. original motion was put anLicarlicd,
nern. con. He ►hen moved—That the annuity be
continued from the death of %Irs. Perceval, to the'
person who may at that period be the heir of Mr.

Perceval. A
Mr WHITBREAD %-'ll'sorry the, Hon. Gentle-.
man had pressed his motion. He wished to say
thi, g against the political memory of the dead, but
his opinions on the_pdlicy of Mr. Perceval he had,
when living, expressed to, his face. If he concurred,
with that. ‘k hick was proposed, he should think that
doing'so, \he concurred in approbation of his politi-
cal mea‘:ures.—'(Cries of No, No,l) He spok' for
himself, and for no One else, but if they came to
a vote on the subjetl, he should certainly divide
the Committee.
Mr. WILBERFORCE reminded the Committee that
their proceedings would be considered by posterity,
and would become matter of history. They ought
therefore to be diaated by views of sound national
policy• If there was any one thing which
.the
Committee ought particularly to guard against, it
was the imputation that the !majority who voted

with t►he Minister while living, had lioted a :large

sum after his death" in support of their political
nions. Any division on this question would but
'sully the high testimony of approbation which his
late Right Honburable Friend had received even
from. those who were hostile to him in politics. Sure-
ly, a grant of 20001. a year to a branch of Mr. Per-
cevarstamily for a few years longer,. wasfrot to be
put in competition with unanimity in their pro-
ceedings.
Lord CASTLEREAGH could not, help admiring the
conflict of generous, feelings diSplayed on this oc-
casion. He would assure the Honourable Mover
of the present proposition, that had he calculated
the proposed remuneration by his own sense of the
• chararier and public services of his late Right Ho-
nourable Friend, it would bine been- of a roach
higher description ; but thought that he should
best perform his duty, and aa most consonantly to
the .feelings of Mr. Perceval's family and connec-
tions, by framing his resolutions in such a manner,
as to (oociiiate -all parts of the House. He con-
fessed that he extremely lamented, that the zeal
and affeetion of any individual should endanger
unanimity on the present_ occasion ;. and to prevent
the House, if possible, from being put into the
awkward situation of direaly affirming, or disaffirm-
jog the proposition of the Honourable Gentleman,
• should move, as an amendment, to leave out. all
the words after the word "that" in the Hon. Gen-
tleman's . motion, .for the purpose of substituting
the following I report the said resolution to
to' the House."
Mr. CANNING declared, that bad the extended
grant moved by the Hun. Gentleman formed part of
toe original proposition—nay, had it been a much
larger suin—had it been a sum within any reasonable
limits—he should have had no hesitation inegiving
it his unqualified assent. • Unquestionably Govern-
ment had had a difficult task, to perform on, the pre--
sent occasion. On the one side, they were influ-
enced by t• e merits of the individual in question,
any' by their own natural partiality towards him; on
thr Lete.e• side, they had to consider what kind of
proposition was likely to conciliate general concur-
rence. If he supported the resolution for an en-
_ hanred grant its the. House, after having been one
of otiose who agreed to the limited grant out of the
1-1,-ise, he sheald certainly render himself liable to
_ the charge of bidding unfairly for popularity. He
s!i uid, ti.erefore, vote for the Amendment of the
I\:eale Ler4 in the first instance ; if.that were nega-
tived; he should. then feel exonerated from all diffi-
culties on the subjeet, and would, without hesita-
tit'en support the' Honourable Gentleman's propo
si,ion.

Mr. W. &mem expressed great personal feelings
of regard for tne memory of Mr. Perceval, a feeling
which was certainly ti,.t diminished from the circurn-
6t-,ece' of his having received almost his last breath.
Ike treeeght,. however, tkat, after the proposition
of M.niszers on the subjeC't had been unani,
meusly acceded to by the Committee, it would be
unwise to overset it by. alterations whiCh appeared
to horn to have no specific limit. For if it were
once i:llowed to any Hon. Member to disturb the
original proposition, others might be disposed to fol-
low the exirnple, and he who proposed the largest
I.reint might probably meet with the greatest
roly; ort. It would be wiser for the Committee to
be eitisfied with what they have already done.
Mr.,SutieoN declared that be did not think the
itise would redeem the pledge
.which they had
given in the Address-to the Prince Regent if they
sarktied therselves with what had aheady been
dote. After all their acknowledgmehts of the ser-
vices rendered-to the public by Mr. Perceval; how
coehl they entertain the probability that the repre-
sentative ot his family might be turned out into the
woild with-not a shilling- more than 40001. in his
pocket ? Although he had generally supported Mr.
Perceval's mtasuies, he had never been personally
obliged to hint but he should think himself defi-
' dent in duty, and negligent of the pledge which he
had already given on the subject, if hectid not con-
cur in- a proposition, the object of which Vvas sim-
ply to keep Mr. Perceval's eldest son from the dan-
ger of want.
. Mr. Secretary RYDER said a few words, but in a
tone of toice so subdued by the strength of _his feel-
ings, that ‘-1e could only collea that he opposed the
ad‘!itional Resoluticin, although by no means on the
ground taken by an Hon. Gentleman,. Mr. Whit-
bread ; that to :tdopt it, would be to imply the ap-
proboion of tic House of the political 'opinions of
'his lamented Friend.
Sir J. SF:BRIGHT declared, that all must concur in
lamenting the loss. which the country had sustained
in die talents and virtues ot Alr.Perceval. He must,
letp‘eot t the amendment of the Noble
Lou.r If it' wt- re possible to obtain-Mr. Perceval's
(wag, i.,piroon on :he _subject, did the House suppose
th s' he
_would hesitate for .a moment in preferring
the smaller gr..nt with unanimity ter the larger with
a division He would stand-Up to plead the cause