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that night; it was after supper, before the singing, that Thur.
tell-gave me the chain ; I did not offer afterwards to return the
chain ; there were cards on Sunday night ; I did not play at
cards that night, but I am not positive whether my husband
played, or was present at the time; I do not remember who
played ; 1 did hear some one remonstrate at card-playing. Mr.
Noyes came down on Sunday and remained till 'Monday!, but I
did not mention to him what I had seen or heard; I did not

show him the gold chain.
Thomas Thurtell examined.—On the 24th Oct. I was at Tet-
sail's, in Conduit-street. I remember Hunt went away and
came again on that day. He brought a sick, I rather think,
and a gig. When he brought the sack he said nothing that I
recollect. The horse in the gig was, I think, a grey horse. I
rather think my brother went away in that gig. Hunt and
Probert afterwards went away in Probert's gig ; I cannot re-
member exactly what Hunt said to Probert ; I saw some large
pistols there; I asked one of them what they were going to do
with them, and I think I heard Hunt say to Probert, " Will,
will you be in it." The next day, Saturday, I saw Hunt at
Tetsall's ; he offered to lend me .201. if I wanted ; I expressed
my surprise to see him with so much money. He said they
had been netting game.
The witness was here admonished by the Judge, not to tam-
per with his oath and his conscience. He was aware of the
painful situation in which he was placed ; but he had a duty
to perform to God and to his country, and if he did not take
care he should read his own depositions against him.
Examination resumed.— Hunt said something about "We
Turpin lads." Hunt said he had been killing game, and
Probert held the bag. The word " murder" was used by Hunt
in joke ; he said he had been committing murder or something
of that sort. He said, "we have been committing murder, to
be sure." I went down to Probert's cottage on Sunday. I
walked as far as Maida-hill, when Hunt and my brother took
me up ; I observed a spade in the gig which Hunt asked me
to throw over the, garden, wall; I said he had better take it
farther; he answered, "No, I know what lam about;" he
said he did not wish Probert's wife to know about it.

Cross-examined by Mr. THESSIGER—I was at Probert's
cottage on Sunday night, and remember cards being introduced.
Thomas Noyes examined by -Mr. BOLLAND—On the 24th
October I was at the Coach and Horses, and saw there John
Thurtell, Hunt, and Probert ; Thurtell went away in a gig,
drawn by an iron grey horse ; Hunt and Probert also went away
in Probert's gig; I saw them next on Saturday morning at
Tetsall's ; I saw John Thurtell; I went to Probert's cottage on
Sunday ; Thurtell took me up in a gig. On Sunday night I
remember cards were introduced. John Thurtell, Thomas, and
myself played, but we did not play the game out. I can't re-
member whether Probert came in during that time. Hunt and
John sat up that night; I went away next morning, but the
others had left before me. John Thurtell threw his cards
up, saying he could not play with such cards which were
not sorts.
Miss Ann Noyes was now called in, and after being al-
lowed a short time to compose her spirits, was sworn and
examined.
On the 24th October I was at my sister's cottage; I heard
the noise of a gig passing about eight o'clock : I also heard the
bell ring about that time. Some time after John Thurtell en-
, tered and Hunt and Probert; Hunt had a black coat on.
[ln consequence of a noise from the street here interrupting
the Court, the Judge assured the officer, whose business it was
to keep order out of doors, that the next interruption he would
visit with a fine of 501. onihim.]
Examination resumed.—Mr. Probert had a white hat, but I
did not see any that night. They all went out, having proposed
to go to Mr. Nicholl's to shoot, and were away three quarters
Bert'sthat neck.
of an hour. I remember a gold watch which Thurtell shewed
evening, and a watch chain, which lie put round Mrs. Pro_
—[A chain was here shewn to witness, which she
recognised to be the one in question.]—l did not breakfast with
then: the next morning. I rerriember their going out. On
Sunday Hunt and Thurtell came down. Hunt had on a black
coat and waistcoat and a white cravat. Mr. John Thurtell ob_
served, " How smart Mr. Hunt is dressed this morning."
heard Thurtell say Probert would not do for a Turpin -lad.—
Mr. Probert was out a part of that rnorning•—[-k Penknife was
here handed to witness, which she identified as one she had seen
in John Thurtell's possession.
Cross-examined by. Mr. ANDREWS.—I did not go down to
breakfast because I was poorly on Saturday morning. Mr.
Probert had a black hat and a white hat—the white hat was in
the. hall. This hall leads from the parlour to the kitchen. The
kitchen joins the parlour by one door, but there is a passage.—
I did not hear Probert get up on Saturday morning ; he was
out all the morning. I saw him come in, but did not observe
what hat he had on. Thurtell did not • sleep always on the
sofa ;he did sleep there all night. He was there for nearly
a week, and then he slept in the little room over the parlour ;
he slept alone. Woodroffe made the bed.
Cross-examined by Mr. TUEssiGEß.—After supper, Pro.
bert said, Hunt could sing a good song, upon which he sang.
Thomas Tetsall examined by Mr. BoLt...a.xn.—l keep the
Coach and Horses, in Conduit-street. The two 'l'hurtells
and. Hunt o:equented my house. On the 24th October, these
persons were there, and Probert. Thurtell asked me to lead
Hunt Si.

Cross-examined by Mr. THESSIGETt.—The Thurtells and
Hunt were introduced to me by Probert. They frequented my
house from the 21st of October.

Re-examined by. Mr. BOL LAND—Hunt wore very large
whiskers on the 24th, which I observed he had cut off on the
Monday folloWing 'on that day John ThUrtell was differently
dressed from any thing I had seen before. Hunt was well
dressed. On Sunday they went away in a gig, in which I per-
ceived a shovel. Hunt was generally shabbily dressed.
William Rixwerthy was again called in, and examined by
Mr. BOLLAND—I have known Mr. William Weare fifteen
years ; he was a man of considerable property, and carried his
money to a large amount about his person ; I have seen him put
his hand into the inside of his shirt, and take out large sums ;
I believe he was acquainted with John Thurtell and Hunt.
0 Thursday preceding the
,murder, I saw John Thurtell and
Weare together in my house. On the 24th I saw Mr. Weare :
he called on me at •No. 6, Spring-gardens, between one and
two ; I did not see him after that.
Cross-examined by Mr. ANDREWS.—My rooms are much
frequented • I often.see the same faces; I saw Mr. Weare's
body after he was murdered; I did not see it disenterred.—[ The
penknife before spoken of, was here handed to witness, and he
identified it as one he had seen in the possession of Weare on
the morning of the 24th of October.l
Cross examined by .Mr. ANDREWS.-1 know the knife by a
mark on it, and because it is a remarkable knife, and much
worn.

a yellow gig. He brought them back in the middle of the
next day.. On Monday when he returned them, he said he
should want -a-horse at half-past three; he had the roan horse'
and a gig at about half past three. I examined the gig he re-
turned; it was dirty, and so was the horse; there was a little
blood at the bottom of the gig ; the horse was distressed ; the
whip was almost cut out.
By Air. PLATT.—Did not see any one but Hunt.

Benjamin Coxwell examined by 3I r. Bo LLAND.--I am shop-
man to Mr. Ball, pawnbroker, Of High-street, Marylebone; I
sold a pair of pistols like those now produced, with a key and a
mould, to two men, strangers to me ; one was tall and the other
short ; it was on the 24th Oct. ; 1 received I?. MS. for them ;
I should not know the persOna of the men. •
John Butler examined by Mr. BRODERICK.—I am ostler
at the Bald-faced Stag, Edgware; I remember the 24th Oct.
last, a Friday ; I saw Mr. Prober between six and seven at
the Inn ' • he was alone in a chaise drawn by a bay horse.
Wm. Clarke, examined by Mr. BoLLAND.-1 was landlord
of the White Lien, Edgeware ; I knew John Thurtell ; I saw
him on the 24th October, about 7 o'clock, near the nine-mile
stone ; he was in a gig, another was with hiin ; it was a white-
faced horse ; I was then going to King's Langley ; I returned
home, and there saw Probert and Hunt in a gig; they had
some brandy and water; we talked about the Thurtells ; Hunt
had large whiskers; I saw Thurtell on the Sunday afterwards
near Edgeware, walking with Mr. Noyes; I observed to Thur-
tell, he looked poorly ; I did not see hint afterwards until he
was in custody.
By Mr. ANDREWS.—It was not quite dark when I saw Mr.
Thurtell ; there was a lamp in the gig; I was passing one
way and he on the other; and all that passed was his calling
out, "'lra, hip!" to caution me in the dark, he being on the
wrong side of the road. I think Probert and Hunt were in my
house a quarter of an hour.
By Mr. THESSIGER.—Probfrt was impatient to be gone, and
not Hunt.
David White, a boy, examined by Mr. Bnot)Enrcx.—l re-
collect Mr. Probert calling, on my father, who is a cornchand-

ler at Edgeware, 'on' the 274th Oettiber last; it was in the even-
ing; he was in his chaise with-another person ; he staid about
ten minutes, having purchased some beans. •
By Mr. A NDREws.----He was in no hurry to get away.
Stephen Probate examined' by Mr. Broderick.—l keep the
White Lion at Charing-cross Hunt borrowed a horse of me
on the 24th and 25th October, and on the Sunday following
he had a bay horse. I saw Hunt on the Saturday evening; lie
said he wanted the horse the next day to go to 'Dartford. He
produced money ; a Mr. Reece was there at the time. He
pulled out a pistol somethinglike the one now produced, and
said something which I understood to be an intimation that it
would do Mr. Reece's business well. • This was said to me.
By 111 r. NDREWS.--1 do not know that any thing certain
was meant by the observation about Mr. Reece. It was o:a
the 25th of October I saw Hunt, en a Saturday ; I cannot
be mistaken as to the day. 'The- horse is in the town here.
It could not he a difficult matter for a person who understood
horses to distinguish the horse by his white face.
Robert Field examined by Sir. BO know Pro-
bert ; he called at my house in his chaise with another person,
whom I know now to be Hunt, on the 24th of Oct. They had
five glasses of brandy and water ; Probert asked his friend to
sing, he said he could not. They stopped half an hour. Pro-
bert's was a brown horse. 111-y house is a few hundred yards
from Elstree. I saw the singing man on Monday with John
Thurtell, about hale. past five in the evening. They called at
my house and'smoked their pipes.- I saw Hunt the next day,
about a quarter past eight in the evening ; he came from Lon-
don. I gave the constable a sack and shirt which were in my
possession, given me by hiM; I gave • him the same that he
gave me.
By Mr. PLATT.—I am certain as to the time. Coaches pass
my house frequently.
Richard Bingham examined by Mr. BRODERICK, in • the
presence of Mary Molony.—l am ostler at the White Lion,
Edgware. -1 recollect two gentlemen calling there in a gig on
the 24th October. One had whiskers down to his mouth, and
a sallow complexion. The other had high cheek bones.
Mary Alcilony.was now sworn, and said the description of
the first person corresponded with the appearance of Mr. Weare.
Bingham re-examined.—Said the taller of the two gentlemen
had a white coat on. I should not- know the horse again. -A
second gig came up in the course of the evening with two other
gentlemen, whom I should not know again.
Cross-examined by Mr. ANDnEws.--The first gig might
have got on a mile or more, before the arrival of the second. •
James Freeman examined by Mr. • BwonEntox.-4 am a
labourer at a place near Mr. Probert's cottage. On Friday
evening 24th of October I went out about eight o'clock to Gill's
Hill-lane; there is a gate about 30 poles from Probert's; I saw
two Gentlemen in a gig; I heard the gig before I saw it ; it
must have come by Probert's cottage very rapidly; one of the
Gentlemen got out; I spoke to one of them ; I saw the horse
had a white face; it is the horse I have seen here ; the moon
was not up ; it was a starlight night; it was between eight and.
nine.; I should not know either of them ; one had a long white
coat ; I went out to meet my wifeanci see her home. ••
Cross-examined by Sir. PL AT T.-1 t was not a yellow gig,,
and I have never said it was.

The knife was then shewn to the Jury and closely examined
by them.
In answer to Mr. Justice PARK, he said he had seen the
body of Weare when'taken out Of the Water ; the legs were then
naked.

Here the Learned Judge was obliged to retire, apparently in
a state of exhaustion: -He was supported out by the Nobility
and Gentry who were round the Bench : he returned in a few

minutes, and
Philip Smith was called and examined by Mr. BRODEItICK.
was at Mr. Nicholls's on the 24th of October with my wife
and child; we returned a little before eight, I on foot, and my
wife and child in a little chaise I heard the.report of a min and
groans ;
I was not eading my. donkey chaise, 1 was walking
behind it.
Richard Addis examined by Mr. BOLLAND.—Lived with
31r. Probert in October last ; he looked after his horse and gig ;
he had the horse and
bay horse—a good One.gig about two months ;• it was a brown
On the 24th of October, he heard the
noise of wheels near Probert's house ; he thought it was going
towards Radlett, and ping fast. About nine o'clock there.
was a ring at the bell.; WitnesS• answered. it ; he found John.
Thurtell at the gate ; he told witness to take the horse, and
keep in ; he noticed the horse and had seen it since in London ;
it was a kind of iron-grey ; the .horse seemed to come from Bat-
Thuitell told the witness to take the horse and keep
in, as he was going to look for Mr. Probert. Thurtell:returned
alone, and did not then give him any directions. When the gig
returned it Was very heavy indeed, and hesaiv a gun poking out
on eachside between the leather ; saw nothing else that night.
On the Saturday morning he lifted up a bag—a carpet bag and
a box ; the box was in the parlour. Thought the box now in
Court was the box. Probert or Thurtell told him to fetch it

from the Parlour.:atid put it into the gig. On that night Thur-
tell wore a light great coat. Witness's master came home three
quarters of an hour afterwards, as if coming from Ratlett.
Hunt was in the gig, and Thurtell was behind him. Witness
saw spots of blood on
.Thurtell's great coat.
_This was on the

Mary Malony examined-4 was laundress to the late Mr. night' of which he had been speaking. He saw Thurtell
Weare. ;he lived at No. 2. Lyon's Inn. On Friday the 24th sponging his great coat. Ile was most confident that Thurtell
October, 1 went into his room in the morning. Some of his Iced a sponge, and was sponging the collar of his coat. This
things were on his drawers ; he put them into his carpet bag. was after witness's master had come home about three guar-
(The hag was here identified.)—There were five linen shirts. tars of an hour afterwards. Thurtell fetched the sponge,
six pairs of stockings, a shooting jacket, and gaiters. A pair and asked if there were any
water. Ile grahbled about in
of laced-up boots and Wellingtons; he had a backgammon the water. He afterwards saw his master, Mr. Thurtell,
board and men, which were put into the bag; he ;lined at one and Mr. Hunt. His master came to him at the stable door,
o'clock that day ; I understood he was going out of town, and and asked him for the lantern. Did not know whether this
fetched a coach for him at nearly three o'clock. I got it from was before or after Thurtell had been sponging his coat. All
the stand opposite the Spotted Dog. It drove up to St. Cle. three then went out, and went as if going to Batter's Green.
inenes Church and then up Holywell street; the carpet bag His master said he was going as far as Mr• Nicholls's. They
and double-barrelled gun were put in ; Mr. Weave had a bufF went out about three quarters of an hour ; when they came
waistcoat on and a new olive coat; he had a double cased gold home he beard his master tell Susan to put the pork chops on.
watch and a chain, which I know. Witness staid in the kitchen a little while, and then went into
[The watch and chain were here handed up, and identified the stable. John Thurtell and Hunt came there. Hunt was
by witness; some shirts and collars and ozher articles of wearing outside, and Thurtell came in. Thurtell was sponging hat
apparel were also identified as the property of Mr. \Veered coat. They went as if going into the house. Witness put
Thomas Cave examined.—l ant driver of a hackney coach ; the horses up for the night, and then went into the kitchen;
drove for Mr. Beckett three weeks ; during that time I took a saw Probert come out for a bottle of turn, witness believ_
gentleman up at Lyon's Inn ; he was the only one I took Up ed. He kept his rum in a place which he used as a sort of
from that place during those three weeks ; a young woman cellar; Thurtell pulled out his watch, which had no chain;
called me ; a carpet bag and gun were put in ' • this was in 0e- Probert said it was awkward to have a watch without a chain.
tober, but Ido not remember the week, but have no doubt it Witness went to bed about twelve, and saw no more of them
was the week in which the murder in Hertfordshire was coin- that night. The next morning ie rose at six, cleaned the
mitted ; I drove him to Charing-cross, and thence to Maddox- horses and fetched up the cow, and having done this he went
street, and then to Cumberland-street, New-road ; here he got to Thurtell and Hunt about eight o'clock ; Hunt was sponging
out, anti after being away for a little, returned with a tall gen. John Thurtell's coat ; it seemed to him he was sponging it all
tleman in a rough coat ; they carried away the things ; the over ; he cleaned their boots, which were very dirty ; they
lamps were partially lighted. went away about ten o'clock. Witness's master seemed in
Thomas Wilson .Broderick.—l am a horse patrol; I was on low spirits ;' was sent in the afternoon with a message to Ni-
duty on the night of the 24th October on the Edgware-road ; I cholls s ; witness having heard something front Harrington,
do not know the prisoner, John Thurtell ; I met a gig about went down Gill's Hill-lane; he saw the ground stained with
five miles and a half from Tyburn-turnpike ; the horse was a blood. On Monday morning witness went to London with Mr.
roan grey, and they were driving furiously. The horse had a T. Thurtell; T. Thurtell was set down on the way; Hunt
white face ; I have seen it since at Mr. Probates stables, where took witness to Tetsall's ; witness had nothing at all to do in
I pointed it out. London.
Cross-examined by Mr. ANDREWS—It was light enough for Cross-examined by Mr. ANDREWS.—Had often been up
me to distinguish the horse. I never described to any one that Gill's Hill-lane ; it was very difficult to turn in Gill's Hill-
the horse was different from a roan grey ; the horse was driven lane, and where this could be done there was a heap of mud,
up the road where you were afterwards, in order for me to in- and great danger of a gig being overturned.-1 The noise which
spect ; I knew it was coming ; I never said that I had before prevailed during the remainder of this cross-examination pre-
taken it for a grey, but I now found it to be a roan. 'eluded us front collecting more than that it generally tended to
James Shepherd.—l am ostler at Mr. Cross's livery stables, confirm what had been stated by other witnesses.]
Whitcomb-street ; I know the prisoner Hunt ;he came to hire By the JUDGE.—Thurtell frequently came there, and was
a gig at my master's stables on Friday, the 24th of October; generally provided with a bed.
it was a dark green gig ; I saw the horse in it, and Hunt told Susan Woodruff," was then called in.
me he was going to Dartford. The horse was a kind of roan The annoy:, now desired to know if the Jury wished to ad-
colour, but there was nothing remarkable in him ; he had a journ for the night. He could not by the law of the land dis-
white face. charge them, but if they desired to retire, they might be per-
Stephen March, examined by Mr. BoLLAND.-1 am ,ostler mitted.
to Mr. Probatt, the liveryman ; I know Hunt ; I recollect his The Foreman of the Jury, after consulting with his brother
hiring a horse on a Friday ; it was the Friday on which, as I Jurymen, expressed a wish to go on.
heard, the murder was committed ;it was a dark roan ;he The witness (Susan Woodruffe) was then examined by Mr.
hired it to go to Dartford; he was to put it in a gig ; he brough Bwonsatticw.—Heard on the 24th of October, a gig passed her
it back on Saturday. On Sunday he borrowed a bay horse and master's cottage at half-past eight. She saw Thurtell after-