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notice had been given from any quarter, her Majesty's
Government should have ventured to submit to the
consideration of the House a detailed proposal. for a
measure of this extent, involving such interests, ex-
citing such hopes and anxieties, and that at the
expiration of one fortnight from that time, her Majesty's
Government should comedown to the House and tell y'ou
that the information they lied given you is eh the infor-
mation they themselves possessed.—(An ironical cry of
Hear, hear," from the Ministerial benches.) Is it
not all the information they possess ?—(Loud cheering
on the Tory side of the House.) Sir, I assume that
the Government in giving us the information they have
furni,hed would give us all that it was in their power to
furnisk—( Hear, bear.) If they have net, they have
&laded and deceived the House—(Loud cheers)—
in calling upon Parliament to sanction a measure not
only upon evidence confessedly imperfect, but upon evi-
dence more imperfect than it was in their power to
afforde—(Cheers.) But I assume they have no more
evidence, and then I say, for a Government, after talk-
ing auout the caution and deliberation necessary to be
observed upon a measure of this sort, it does
seem to me the height of rashness to bring forward
such a question, and to submit it in the form of a pro-
position, to be supported by the Government upon in-
formation which they now tell you they feel to be in-
sufficient to guide the decision or to sanction the vote
of this House.—(Cheers.) I came down, naturally
expecting that the Noble Lord, having admitted and
having contended almost as strenuously as I did
for the removal of the evils involved in the sys-
tem of registration, but feeling that there were
still greater evils thaa that system of registration, namely,
the uncertainty of the law, and if there scar greater evil
than that, it was the restriction col the franchise—l
naturaly concluded that the Noble Lord, having
the recess to consider this matter, having con-
sulted with his colleagues, and having brought
forward a Bill which bad received the sanction of the
Cabinet, and was a Government 'measure, would be pre.
pared to vindicate and defend the propositions they had
avowed and put forth as the foundation, as the princi-
ple, and, as the Right Hon. Gentleman the Secretary
at War said, the very essence of the measure.—(Cheers.)
And, Sir, I must not permit the Noble Lord even to take
the notice he has done of the statements made on this
side of the House without pointing out the difference
in those statements. lie tells us that it is admitted
that the Poor-law valuation is a desirable test cf the
franchise. Now I tell the Noble Lard that in the sense
in which it is so used by the other side of the House it
will be' no such thing.—(Cheers.) Because the basis of
his Bill is excluding altogether the test of the 10/.
profit which was the basis and foundation of the mea-
sure which that day tea years the Noble Lord sub-
mitted to the consideration of Parliament.—(Cheers.)
The Noble Lord in his Bill excludes from it alto-
gether the value of the test of rating, and
he puts in its place tie et qualification which
any pauper may acquire. As a test of the
nett annual value of the property, the difference
between it and the rent paid in the beneficial
interest, a rate subjecting the party to taxation is a
valuable check. It is import let to limit the value
of the franchise held, but unless the amount paid
for holding was combined, it was no real test.
came down prepared t r give the Noble Lord a
notice, and I shall do it now notwithstanding the course
the Noble Lord has pursued ; I cane down prepared
to give to the Noble Lord notice that on going into
Committee—of which I am as desirous as any one, when
I shall be perfectly re idy to meet the Noble
Lord—it is my intention to take the sense
of the Committee npoa those clauses of tire 8.11
relative to the 51. rating franchise in counties, and the
51. household franchise in towns, and it is my intention
to take the sense of the Committee upon those two
leading clauses. I have stated to the Noble Lord the course
I should take would mainly depend on the course taken by
the Noble Lord. I give the Noble Lord credit for
his ingenuity—(Cheers)—in this long postponement,
thereby placing his Bid and mine at so late a
period of the Session as to cause them
to be defeated by the mere lapse of time.
Sir, I do not hesitate to say that I entertain great
suspiciono rd
to
o takee
as to
thisthe
sintep °tte(%(v;hi:ietshafsroinmdutcheed
OthpepoNsiotibolne
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benches)—and at the same time the Noble Lord, in
taking this course, is well aware of the disadvantag, s
to which he subjects me, by endeavouring to compel
the to press forward the second reading of my Bill at a
time when the Noble Lord would inform the house
most plausibly that he has had the second reading of his
Bill sanctioned by a small majority, and that he is
waiting for further information at the earliest period to
be laid before him.—(hear.) Sir, I see the inge-
nuity of the Noble Lord's course of proceed-
ing and seeing the ingenuity of ,that course of
proceeding, and giving the Noble Lord notice
of the opposition which I mean to give to the two le til-
ing principles of his Bill, I will not, under the sur-
prise which this course taker by the Government has
caused to me, as it has to my Honourable Friends
around me—l will net bind myself absolutely to any day
for the discussion on the second reacting of my
Bill. This I will do. I will postpone the or-
der from this day to the 24th of March, and
within tea days from the `.4th of March, I will
give to the Noble Lord a diAtinet declaration, whether,
upon full consideration of all the circumstances, it is or
is not my intention on that day to press forward the se-
cond reading of my Bill.—( Loud cheers.)
Oa the motion of the NOBLE LORD the Order of
the Day for the second reading of the Irish Registration
1311 was then read,, for the purpose of its being post-
poned till the 24th of March.
Lord J. RUSSELL having movel the Order of the
Day for going iiito Committee of Supply,
Mr. HUME begged to move for the return of which
he had given notice, and which he thought the more
important, seeing that it was intended to MON'tt for a very
large additional force in the course of the evening. The
Hon. Member then moved for " An Address to her
Majesty, that she will be graciously pleased to direct
that there be laid before this House, copies or extracts
of the Correspondence between tire Secretary of State
for the Foreign Department and the Governments of
France, Austria, Prussia, Russia, and Turkey, since
1838, respecting the Pacha of Egypt, and the interfe-
rence with the province of Syria."
POST-OFFICE.

Mr. GOULBU RN begged to ask a question with
reference to some accounts which had been litely pre-
seated of the nett produce of the Post-office revenue for
the last six or seven years. It would be necessary
to make a short st sternent in order to render
it intelligible to the House. By a return
presented of the net amount of Post-office revenue
it would appear that the amount was 447,000/.
which, as compared with the revenue of the Post-
office for the previous year exhibited a defi-
ciency of 1,200,000/. He had reason to apprehend
that that presented altogether a fallacious view of the
matter, under the new system, of the Post-office
revenue, and the question he wished to ask the Right
Hon. Gentleman was, whether that view of the subject
was correct in connection with the statement he -,sas
about to make. Of that 447,000/. which had been
paid into the Exchequer a considerable portion was
the revenue derived from official correspondence,
and that, having been voted by the House, wa=, in fact,
not a receipt of revenue, but merely a payment on
the one side, and a receipt on the other. ney
had on the table the month's officipl correspondence,
which amounted to 16,0001., and it would therefore be
evident to the House that the official correspondence
for twelve months would amount to nearly 200,000/.,
which must be deducted from 470,000/. returned as
post-office revenue. But there was another great item
of deduction to be made. It appeared that on the
Ist of January, 1840, the unpaid balance in the hands
of the two collectors of revenue amounted to little short
of 200,000/., and it was quite clear that the balance
in their hand!, .under the new system, must be
as nothing compared with the former balances,
and therefore a further deduction on account of these
unpaid balances must be made. Having made these
two deductions, the result would be that instead of
447,000/., the balance to the public credit would be
little more than 40,000/. or 50,000/.—(Hear, hear.)
He wished, then, to ask the Right Hon. Gentleman
whether that was not a correct statement of the case,
and whether the statement which he (Mr. Goulburn)
made as to the loss sustained was not as he had
stated it ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that if the Right Hon. Gentleman had waited, in the
course of a day or two he would have had that in-
formation he was so anxious to obtain. The Right
Honourable Gentleman was perfectly correct in scF-
posing that the Exchequer returns included all
the posting of official as well as private documents.
With respect to the amount of 200,000/. stated by the,
Right Hon. Gentleman opposite, as paid for offielat
posting. under the new system, the sum was not so gre
'foe Right Hon. Gentleman here procoeded
for
detaila
the difference in the amount of postage paid for official
documents under tho new system
but he spoke in a
tone so indistinct that he was quite inaudible in the

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SUPPLY—NAVY ESTIMATES.
Mr. MORE O'FERRALL moved the Order of
the Day for going int) Committee of Supply on the
Navy Estimates for 1841-2.
On the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair,
Mr. HUME said it was his intorition to have sub-
mitted some resolutions respeAing the dsfieicnt
sate of the revenue, as compared with
the expenditure, but he thought it would

be better to hear what the Government
had to say to warrant so large an iecrea.se as was now
proposed in the expenditete of the navy under the
circumstances in which we were placed.—(Cries of
" Hear, hear.") It was perfectly wed known that for
the last four years the revenue had been deficient as
regarded the expenditure, in round numbers, four
millions sterling. The returns made on the motion of
the Hon. Member for Harwich, showed the
irregular manner in which this deficiency had been pro-
vided for. But the point to which he (Mr. H.) wished
the attention of the House should be directed was
that their estimates exceeded by three and a half mil-
lions those of 1836. They had gone on gradually
increasing them since that time, notwithstanding
the distressed state of the country.---(Hear.) Tian
revenue up to April Bth was exactly 283,000/. less this
year than it was last year, notwithstanding the increased
taxation. One of these things must consequently
follow, either the new taxation had fniled or scene mis-
take had taken place with regard to the ascounts
brought up. It was not possible to believe
that in the whole Customs Department
and the whole Excise department, with an addition
of five per cent., and with an addition of ten per cent.
on the assessed taxes, there should ha a deficiency this
3 ear of 283,0001. He thought the Government ought to
erovide some way of supplying the deficiency, and not
to go on adding loan after loan, in order to provide for
(his great expenditure. It appeared to him the
House ought to consider if there was any necessity
for continuing this large expenditure at the pre-
sent moment. We had secured what the Noble
Lord and his colleagues had gone so madly
about in Syria, for a great pitt of this expense
had been incurred there, and they had been told by
the Queen's Speech their object was attained. If so,
clearly there ought to be a decrease in our expend:eure,
instead of which there was a considerable increase to
be voted for our naval and military force. He had
as he had said brought down some resolutions eo
submit to the House, but it had been suggested
to him it would be better to hear the Govern-
ment statement, and then to print his ieseletions,
and take the sense of the House upon them. hset44"
He was determined to submit his prepositions= to the
House, unless he heard to-night some very satisihetory
reason to the contrary.
'Frac House then went into Cominiee t, when
Mr. MORE O'FERRALL rose to propose the
Navy Estimates for the ensuieg year. Before, how-
ever, he went into these estimates he would
state the balance sheet of the year ending the
31st of March, 1840. The excess of expz,nditare
for that year was 29,694/. This was the first vo! e
for which he had to move ; and it was right that he
should state to the Committee the circumstances which
rendered that vote necessary. (The Hon. Member was
heard with difficulty amidst the noise of Members meving
from their places and the cries of " Order." Mr. Hume
called out, I wish ti.e Right Hon. Geetternan woell
speak up—we can't hear a word.—Hear.) Mr. °Ter-
rell proceeded—Previous to the year 1832, the
balances of former years were left in the Exchequer
and were applied by the Admiralty to such purposes
as the Lords Commissioners thought proper, and occa-
sionally they were made available for such emergencies
as occurred last year. Thet was considered a
great abuse ; and was strongly condemned by the Right
Honourable Baronet the Member for Pembroke, inas-
much as the Admiralty took upon themselves to apply
the money voted by Parliament to purposes different
from those for which they were designed. Wl:ea the
Right Honourable Baronet was made First Lord
of the Admiralty he applied himself to re.
needy tl.e abuse, and the Act of 1832, the
Ist and 23 William IV. c. 40, was passed, in
the 30th section of which it was provided that
tire balance sheet of each year should be seat in the
month of N..iveinber to the auditors, that they might make
upon it wl at comment they thought fit. But the Act
did not provide for the disposal cf t'.e mianpropri-
ated balance ; and it became a suleieet of
arrangement between the Treasury aid the Admiralty.
If any improper expense had been incurred by the Ad-
miraiiy, they could be brought to account for it by
the House, and he was ready t. 3 defend their conduct on
that head. The first vote was for a sun of 29,6941.
excess of expenditure for the year ending the
31st of March, 1840. That balance on a sure
of 5,090,000/, would not, he thought, be considered
a large one, especially as it was impossible for any one
to cideulate precisely the extent of sash an
expenditure. The second item would be a
suppierneet al vote for the sum of 161,5004
He should observe, that in August, September, and Oc-
tober last, gre.:t exertions were made in al our dock-
yards, seamen were taken from all the maritime towns, and
ships were sent to every quarter of Cie world.
'Filet was at a time when' it was impossible to
foresee from day to day what might occur.
Other Governments bad increased their armaments.
The Got element' finding that this was the case, was
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obliged to iecrcasc our forces. The Mediterranean
fleet was increase 3, transports were obliged
to be taken up for the conveyance of
reinforcements to the colonies, and the whole of that
service had been performed with an excess over the esti-
mates amounting only to 161,900/. He therefore hoped
that the G. veroment would not be considered to have
acted improperly. He now came to the Estimates of
the present year, and he should feakunder eonsii!erable
difficulty in approaching the subject, as he was
about to ask the Committee for a large increase,
if he did not recollect that for the last six
years, whenever the Navy Estimates had been
brought forward, the Government had been blamed for
not asking enough.—(Hear, hear.) The Govern-
meet had not been influenced by those attacks to
ask for more than they thought was required—neither
would they be prevented from asking for a large
increase where they thought it might be necessary. In
bringing forward the estimates he should cautiously
abstain from the introduction of any topics which
did not properly Leong to the Estimates, believing as
be did that the question of the Navy Estimates should
be discuseel without anything like party feeling,
as a question which was interesting to a'l men of
eli parties throughout the nation.—(Loud cheers.)
He would commence by stating the number of ships
in commisien. In January, 1840, the number of ships
in commission amounted to 239, and in January, 1840
the ships of el! sorts in commission amounted to 242 ;
making an increase of three only in the number of ships,
although there was a large increase in the number
of men. In January, 1840, the number of men em-
ployed, amounted to 37,165, and in January, 1841,
they amounted to 43,000, being an increase in the
number of men of 5,835, 1,500 of whom whom were
marines. The excess of the gross estimates this year
over the estimates of last year amounted to
709,650/. Tice credits in aid last year amounted to
195,500/., and this year the credits in aid would only
aelount to 158 812/., so that the total excess of
this year would amount to 766,6111. He would
now go into the different heads of expendi-
ture, and proceed to show the different pur-
poses for which the additional votes were proposed.
The next two votes were 3 and 4, the Admiralty-offica
and the re.sistry of merchant seamen. In those there
was a small diminution of expenditure. In No. 5, being
the scientific branch, there was an increase of 4,414/.,
2,146/. of which had been paid for the measurement of
La Cable's arc of the meridian at the Cape. 'nacre
had been also an increase of 2,268/. for survey expenses,
charts, apparatus of the mathematical master at the Naval
College of Portsmouth, and in the purchase of steam-
engines, for students at the Naval Co loge, and the re-
pairs of the Observat try. In Nos. 6 and 7, the esta-
blishments at home asol abroad, there was a small in-
crease in the two votes of 3,281/. That would be
necessary for the repairs at Deptford and the steam
factory at Woolwich ; and for the additional paY
to medical officers, and the establishment of schools for
the children of marine. It was also proposed to re-
establish the hospital at the Cape of Good Hope, the
expense of which, together with the salaries of clerks
and other charges at Valparaiso, would amount to
1,142/. In No. 8, the increase was considerable. It
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was for the wages of artificers in the home/establish-
ments, and amounted to 46,784/. ;
plicable to the payment of the increasedllio numberw
of
ece-work and
shipwrights in the yard ; 12,0001. for
full pay ; 10,000/. for civil
iestablishmentsp ; and
s &c. He did
13,5541. for the increase of teams,
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not know whether it was the wish o_ the Committee
that he should state what these works were, but there
was one which he felt it necessarytocallthe
eattention
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of the Hous.; to, he meant the
at Woolwich. With respect to lief works at Woo
wich, the Wet Dock would be completed next year,
for which a sum of 105,1. 0 0
would
olwdo b
oi. ul
would d
berul
required
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beier eciudi requiredrefd ;
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renting the .r yAt
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Sheerness the usual sum 0 0
and at Cnatbam 4,0
accumulation of sand in the river. At
Portsmouth 4,0001. would be required for the sea wall,
and 6,0001• had been expended on the wall that had been
destroyed by the late storm. At Plymouth the new
dock was in a state of great forwardness, and furnaces
for new fires had been erected. No estimate had been
made of the damage that had occurred by the late fire,
but the amount of the value of the vessels destroyed
was 38,000/., but it would take 91,000/. to reelace
them. At Bridgewater a sum of 15,000/. would be
required this year ; and at Pivmouth it would require
175,000/. to complete the breakwater. At Pembroke
the works that had been commenced were in a great
state of forwardness ; and a matter of 10,000/. would be
reguired for the construction of a dock. New con-
tracts lead been entered into for the conveyance of the
mails from Liverpool to Halifax, and from Halifax to
Bermuda ; from Bermuda to Newfoundland, the West
Indies and England, and Alexandria. Hat ing gone
• through the different heads of expenditure the result
was, that the nett sum expended for the year was
6,614,157/. This sum might appear large to the
Honourable Member for Kilkenny, but when they
recolected the efforts that had been made by
other nations, they would see the necessity which
there was for so large an expenditure. He would con-
clude with expressing a hope that the late brilliant
events in the E.st, in which the navy had so signally

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