The Sun.
London, England, 1840-02-14 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, FR I DAY, FEBRUARY 14, 1510.

business would be to ascertain whether a machine could
not be invented to prevent accidents that had not yet oc-
currcd.—( Hear, hear.) That might safely be left to
the ingenuity and the interest of all parties concerned when
the necessi y arose.
The Earl of ESSEX feared these Artesian wells would
be a great detriment to persons living in their immediate
neighbourhood, as they would dry up all the smaller
springs. He happened to live in the neighbourhcod of the
Artesian well to which the Noble Marquis alluded, and i
had, he understood, created great alarm in the minds of
persons residing in the neighbourhood. Great care must,
therefore, be used iu the selection of spots in which to sink
them.
The Marquis of WE STM IN STE R explained that these
were a different sort of springs.
The Earl of ESSEX did not object to a Committee to
inquire into the plan for the supply of water to the metro-
polis, but he thought that the Committee upom Rail ways
ought not to be appointed until some specific plan was
brought before the House by petition. He did not like
the appointment of those fishing Committees, which be
thought very unlike the usual parliamentary conduct of the
Noble Marquis. The Noble Marquis had said that he
had heard of excellent plans, by which the accidents that
so frequently occurred upon Railways would be prevented.
If so, let some one of those plans be prevented to the
House by way of petition, and let an inquiry be made into
that plan.—( Hear, hear.)
The Duke of RICHMOND hoped that the Noble
Marquis would withdraw his motion. If they appointed
the Railway Committee, they would alarm those who had
embarked their money in those speculations, and they
would do no good. They would have every man before
the Committee who had any scheme to bring forward, and
of those plans their Lordships were no more capable of
judging than any ten persons who might be called in from
the streets. He thought the railway directors were the
best persons to judge of the efficiency of any engines that
should be employed upon their roads.—( Hear.) He had
sat in a Committee which was appointed to inquire into a
rr cans of preventing the sparks from the flues of steam-
engines setting fire to the stacks and crops of the farmers.
But after the Committee had sat some weeks, and incurred
great expense, they broke up without doing anything.—( A
laugh.) But he thought it remarkable that he heard no-
thing of the firing of stacks since.—( A laugh )
Lord RED E SDALE thought that there was an objec-
tion to the Committee upon the plan for the supply of
water—it would give the Companies who proposed to
supply the metropolis with water on the new plan, an
unfair advantage over parties who might wish to oppose
the passing of a Bill for the establishment of such Coin-
panics.
Lord A SHBURTON objected to the appointment of a
Committee to inquire into three distinct subjects—the
safety of railways, the supply of water, and the sewerage
of the metropolis. He thought, with respect to railways,
it was not desirable to have a Committee on this particular
subject. On the subject of water, he had always thought
the metropolis was not sufficiently supplied, and that none
of the Companies produced water which any person, who
was not obliged to do so, would drink ; it was, therefore,
desirable to see whether or not a supply of pure water
could not be obtained from springs. He thought not ;
but he had always thought that a supply of the purest
water might be obtained from this and other rivers near
London—the Medway, the Lea, and the Wandle. If
the proprietors of this reservoir came before the Legisla-
ture wish their plans, it was desirable that inquiry should
bo made on this subject, lest this should be granted to the
prejudice of a better plan.
The Marquis of WESTMINSTER said, his object was
to prevent dangers. Would their Lordships think it wise
to wait till trey had actually arisen—till more lives were
lost ? lie begged to state that he had no connection
whatever—he had always purposely abstained from having

any—with these railroad schemes.
Lord DUNC A NNON suggested that the supply of
water should be made a distinct subject of inquiry first.
To this the Noble Marquis agreed, and the Committee
was appointed on that subject alone.
Their Lordships adjourned at Half-past Six.

ROUSE OF COMMONS, FEB. 13.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.

Leave was given to bring in a Bill for improving the
road between Macclesfield and Congleton. Leave was
also given to bring in several other Private Bills, and
others were read a first or second time.
THF. CASE OF THOROGOOD.
Mr. GREGG presented petitions from the congrega-
tions assembling at various chapels in Manchester, praying
for the release of John Thorvgood from confinement, and
for such an alteration of the law as may prevent the recur.
rence of such cruelty as that gentleman had been sub-
jected to.

MUNICIPAL REFORM (IRELAND.)
Colonel BUTLER presented several petitions from
places in the county of Kilkenny, praying for the reform
of Municipal Corporations in Ireland.
Mr. PIG OT presented similar petitions from places in
the coulsty of Cork ; and also a petition signed by 1,458
persons, alluding to a petition which bad been presented on
a former night by his Honourable Friend the Member for
Bar.den. On the last petition which he presented he would
not then make any observations; but he gave notice that
he would call the attention of the House to it when the
Irish Municipal Reform Bill came on for discussion.
IMPORTATION OF FLOUR.
_ _

Colonel BUTLER presented a petition from the mil.
lcrs of the county of Kilkenny against the importation o
foreign flour into Ireland.

CHURCH EXTENSION.

Petitions in favour of Church .extension were presented
from places in Leicestershire and Derbyshire by Lord
E A STNOR; from places in Wiltshire and Yorkshire by
another Hon. Member; and from Berkshire by Mr. R.
PALMER.

CORN-LAWS.
Mr. VILLIERS presented a petition from the Mayor
and Corporation of Manchester, praying for the repeal of
the Corn-laws; and a similar petition from the county of
Perth.

FROST, WILLIAMS, AND JONES.
Mr. I'. DUNCOMBE presented a petition signed by
650 persors in favour of the Chartist convicts, Frost, Wil-
liams, and Jones.

Mr. O'CONNELL presented twelve petitions from
various places in Ireland praying for Corporate Reform,
Extension of 'the Elective Franchise, and that the House
would support the present Adminisitration.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
S:r G. GREY moved the adoption of the resolutions of
the Committee on Private Business, contained in their
Report of the 7th inst., which were made Standing Orders
on the understanding that appeals to the House would be
allowed.

Mr. ERLE presented a petition from the Mayor and
Corporation of the city of Oxford, expressing their sym-
pathy with the Sheriffs of London, and praying that, as
the privileges of the House had been already sufficiently
vindicated, those officers might be discharged from further
custody ; also a petition to the like effect signed by 700
inhabitants of the same city.
CHURCH PATRONAGE (SCOTLAND.)
Sir SINCLAIR presented petitions from Clack-
mannan, and other towns in Scotland, against the intrusion
of unacceptable ministers into the Scottish Church.
Mr. MACAUL AY presented a petition from Dum-
fries, to the same effect.

Mr. COLQUHOUN presented petitions from K
marnock and other towns of a similar nature.
CHURCH ACCOMMODATION.

Alderman COPELAN 9 presented a petition from
Stowe-upon-Trent, in favour of further Church accommo-
dation.

Colonel WOOD presented petitions to the same effec
from three parishes in the county of Brecon.

LIVERPOOL WAREEIOLTSING BILL.

Mr. GR E ENE brought up the Report of the Commit-
tee on Standing Orders of the Liverpool Warehousing
Bill. It was reported that the Standing Order had been
complied with, and leave was given to bring in the Bill.
Mr. WALLACE presented a petition, signed by
wards of 1000 inhabitants of Burden, in Roxburgbshirc,
stating that they had no Post-office in that village; that
they had proposed to the Postmaster-General to
establish a Post-office there at their own expense,
guaranteeing the pram to the Treasury, and also
stating that they would pay the Postmaster's sa-
lary, provided they were allowed a boy to carry their
letters. This was, however, refused, and the result bad
been the present petition. As that petition antainerl
charges which might not be very agreeable to the Post-
master-General, he (Mr. Wallace) would now move
that it be printed with the votes, and at the same time
he begged to give notice that he should bring it
under the consideration of the House on the 27th of the
present month.
Sir G. SINCL AIR objected to the printing of the
petition, considering that the printing of unimportant pe-
titions was very much on the increase, greatly to the
public expense.
Mr. WALLACE was glad that the objoction to the
printing of the petition tad been made by the Hon. Baronet opposite. He should not be sorry if he was de-
feated in this motion, as it would show the people howthe Members on the other side of the House were inclined
to treat their requests. Believing that the petition con-
tained substantial truths, he should persevere in his motion
that it should be printed with the Votes.
Mr. F. SHAW said the speech of the Hon. Member
was in itself a clear reason why the petition should not be
printed, for the Hon. Member admitted that he was desi-
roue of having it printed, in order to have a discussion cn
it. That was evading the order of the House, which was
intended to prevent the discussing of petitions without any
motion being founded on them.
Mr. WALLACE said he had in his hand a notice fur
motion on the subject, fur the 27th.
The motion was agreed to.
Mr. V. SMITH presented a petition from Northampton
against Church-rates.
THE CASES OF HIGH TREASON.

Mr. HUMS presented a petition (from Glasgow, A,
believe) praying that the prisoners tried for high treason
might receive the benefit an acquittal, in consequence of
the doubts that divided the Judges on the point of law raised.
Also another petition, from some individual, praying that the
law upon a point which had so divided the opinions of
the twelve Judges, might be settled by Act of Parliament.
The Hon. Member said he heartily concurred in the pray er
of both petitions.

Mr. B. CLIVE presented the Hereford Improvement
Bill.

CHURCH EXTENSION.

Lord SANDON (after having presented a petition
from Liverpool in favour of the Copyright in
Designs Extension Bill, and a petition from the
American Chamber of Commerce in that town, praying
that a Committee might be appointed to inquire into the
management of the Trust of the river (Wear, Weaver, or
Weber) in Cheshire—proceeded to ask the Hon. Baro-
net, the Member for Oxford, if he was willing, in con-
sideration of the many wishes which had been expressed
to that effect, to postpone his motion relative to Church
Extension till after Easter.
Sir R. H. INGLIS, in answer to the question of the
Noble Lord, said he must, although most reluctant, be
compelled to yield to the many similar solicitations he
had received from friends of the cause. However highly
he respected those friends, he must state that, to any of
them individually, he would not have yielded, but the soli-
citations had been so numerous that he felt compelled to
postpone his motion until after Easter.
Mr. HODGSON lIINDE gave notice that it was his
intention in the Committee on the Tithe Commutation
Amendment Bill to propose the insertion of a clause.
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON gave notice that on Tuesday
next he would move for a return of the number of
freemen in each borough in Ireland, together with the
date of the certificates of Registry.
Mr. EWA RT gave notice that it was his intention to
move for a copy of the warrant of his late Majesty
throNing open the Court of Common Pleas to the legal
profession generally, together with a copy of the
judgment delivered by the Judges of that Court
again shutting it to all but a privileged class ; also a re-
turn showing the number of causes determined in that
Court during the period it was open, and a similar period
before.

Mr. HUME said that on Thursday be would move for
a return showing the state of representation in England,
Scotland, and Ireland, being a continuation of that which
was made in 1834.