The Sun.
London, England, 1840-05-29 00:00:00

EVVNING EDITION.

for Shropshire. He cordially supported the Corn-
laws, because he thought they were essential to the
general interests of the country, but he was anxious that
that protection should be enforced in as unobjectionable
a manner as possible. The proposal now was for aCom-
mittee of Inquiry, and he was not prepared to resist it,
hut he thought it ought to bo an inquiry whether the
boon could be granted without loading to fraud, and
with protection to the revenue. That ought, in his
opinion, to be the motion ; but, as it stood, if the House
were driven to a division, he would feel it his duty to
vote for the motion of the Hon. Member for Hull.
Mr. MARK PHILLIPS said he felt the import-
nce of the subject so much, that he had placed in the
paper a notice of his intention to introduce a Bill
during the present Session. He did not complain
of tho Hon. Member for Hull having taken up the
question, and he would shortly state his reasons
for taking so much interest in the question.
He thought they ought to give every possible scope to
the enterprise of the merohants, but he never wished to
do so in contravention of any existing law. Whenever
a demand was made for sour the merchants were com-
pelled to go into the ports of the Baltic in order to sup-
ply the markets of the United States and the Brazils,
and those voyages were attended with considerable ex-
pense and loss of time. He recollected hearing Mr.
Poulett Thomson state, a few years ago, that owing to
the deficiency in the crop in the United States there
would have been a very considerable demand for flour
from England, if, at the time, they had been permitted
to manufacture corn in bond. Most of the seaports in
America had no n.eans of converting grain into flour,
and their supplies always came from the interior in the
shape of flour. On that occasion it would have been of
great advantage to the Americans, and a great conveni-
ence to their own merchants, if they had been permitted
to supply the demand. Ile thought an arrangement
could be mac;,© by Mich that object might be accom-
plished, wiisile at the mune time security was given that the
rAenue would not be defrauded. It was a notorious fact
t_-:at undo*. the new bonding system goods of the most valu-
able description were allowed to be transferred from Lon-
doe to Liverpool, or to any other part of the country
which had the advantage of canal communication,
without any loss whatever to the revenue. It had
'eeen stated, he believed, before that Committee, that
no loss to Atte revenue had occurred from the abstraction
of property in transit ; there had occasionally been
losses by forfeviture of bonds on account of the ins-of& •
eiency of the bonds given in the first instance, but
thcrci had been no pilfering or abstraction of property
tiering ifs transit. He could not conceive any great
tlitßetaltv with respect to security in this case. It had
iteen tried with respect to sugars which are refined in
bond, ;Lai though at first there had been some practical
dialculties these had been overcome. With respect to
the brea sa manulactu'red, if the duty were to he paid
et-pill to thc present 2'o par cent. ad valorem, he thought
it probable great ralvantege would be derived by the
im,nufaeturing interests. He was informed by a large
11°'-'se that in the aiaking 410,000 printed calicoes they
1"hl ions el bran that year.—Hear,
hear, hear.) Bran inns an article that was ai-
ttays dear in manufacturing districts,
• aeri it Geittlemen would compare its price there and in
• the qrianitural t:istricte, he thought they would find it
to their atterest to introduce larger quantities there.
Ile lase no doubt in his own mind that such restric-
. bear mig as he ietrodaced as would enable these menu-
feean es .o be carricil On with perfect security ; but a
C etalittee y was the proper place for this to
d properly settled. There was one other
Argument h 3 tvOit:(l suggest, as it was important to give
eery- inun(ieracnt to indostry within our reach. It
'scold be laund there were other branches of industry
that were rc.aieted by it. He had thought, at one
tine, cape, tnalau might be effected in aacks, but he
totted be vain; iniitaken, iind that barrels must be cm-
; so t'sn;• they would loins a new branch of trade,
nearly, the toaperage, which r:ou4 give employment
to a large a unhi rof ieilividuas. Ali this, however,
(V. 44 naLttte' i ir conAerath a by the Comnattee, who, he
triaitart, won:d agree on such measures as should hest
giva'an ;P;ilT+l;:te t.o iadostrv.—( Hear.)
Mr. E.'aTON vas satisfied coat the present motion
was an attach. upon the Corn-laws by a side blow, and
be cf.:aught ha should be hest ;service; the aarteuttural
ititerest by opposha; it.
ou itToN had no of jection to the Hon.
I)l.s:tabor for Hull amusiog ItirnsAf with a Coat:hi:tee if
1:!;:e.J. tie heti ao doubt but that ire might do so
wahrut apaa-tilea. hat when he brought in a Bill
feeedaet en the evidence cacao •%fore that Committee,
it svou:-.l.;ntea in the szme manner as the Bil; brought in
iTLit •1,,y /10„. Friend Oelow the Member for
taarreiataa tvai,nt v.. 35 permitted to he read a second
taxa, Has .iraait they came to discuss tata proVi,iol,2 by
wLiet, it
tri„ to guard against fraud, they
se, re. not peran.tted to enter tipue the consideration of
then). far eal the motion that the Speaker ,lo leave the
el air . pi-epaeatory to a...M.1g into Committee on the Bill,
tta hoe. lid: ovonsite mustered all his ibrees
cinch the Bit thrown out. Tuis was, in tact, the
af:er P serious drama which had recently been
pea that launia) Tee lion.
tincain ilaCi said that no new arguments
lanai heel brought forward which had not been brought
forwatd favOur of the former system, which had been
fiend to be attended with fraud in its operation. Now
6:le was not the a-tonsure which had been brought for-
woad before. T'ae principle was different. With regard
to sugar, when a certain quantity of raiv produce was
taken into fiend. and a certain quantity of manufactured
Auger, allowed to be exported, which teas assumed to be
triie product the raw sugar, frauds took place ; the
same thing ocaurred with regard to flour; when it was
asaumed thata certain quantity of corn could produce a
oertairl quantity of dour, which was to be the quantity
exporud,—but that was not the principle now - preposee.
Inc .; princ,p.e not, proposed wits that the whole of the
maaalactured :article produced from the raw material
.should be exported,—the same principle had been applied
tto sugec, r.t4o.;'ace found to answer. lie believed his
ahionh Friend Alight amuse himself with a Committee if
liked, but that when he brought forward his practical
hicasure be WOlll.l LAI he would be defeated.
Col. T. WOOD slid that many Hon. Gentlemen
veil°, heel voted for thee second reading of the Bill of the
Member for D artruouth had also voted for t he
Soaelccr leaving elle Chair to go into Committee on that
ceaule they be daved the inea.aare to be harmless
'xis rewarded the Corr.-laws, evhile they thought it would
condue e to the advaagage of tam shipping interest, so that
•rhe Hen. Mernuer for Bridport was nit quite justified
au the ,sc.cuaatiort he :had brought forward against all
• -who h,rlt support. id tho'second reading of that Bill.
.He hoped the Hausa ta.otrin allow an inquiry to he gone
Tinto, because lie ;ars awe the measure would be found
otto uc perfectly harmless as. regarded the landed interest.
Mr. G. PA I,MER. would oppose the motion, be-
• if cue. -conaented to a Committee, that
,4Coramittaa would be :so appo.nted as to secure a ma-
• fasour of the: views of the lion. Member for
Basidss, the eneasure proposed would materially
cheer the consurnptio a of British corn.
'Air. IRVINE nee :t addressed the House, but in so
ioet a tone of voice, that we could not hear a single
sentence he uttered- We understood him, however, to
support the motion.
Mr. VILLIERS wisha to make an observation, in
consequence of his non. Friend the Member for Hull
laying revealed a prirate communication that had taken
eiriee between them. His Hon. Friend certainly told
.
u) that his intention was to constitute the Committee
ene'rely of country gentlemen ; but he had referred to
what had taken place betweep them, with a view of
unduly influencing the judgment of the House at his
(Mr. Til,'.ere') expense. His Hon. Friend had recom.
mended hi, emotion, on the ground that he (Mr. Villiers'

bad said tht reFqsal of the motion would throw odium-
on the other side. That disclosure was not correct.

YnC-on!y question I,etween him and his Hon. Friend was
as to the time ; and he had recommended the motion
to be brought on after the House had refused his

(Mr. Villiers' motion) which they were sure to do,
i; was very unpopular. Hii 1-I:,n. Friend then said,

" Oh, I An sure to carry it, for Lord this and Lord
that, and Sir Charles the other, have promised me
their support." All that he (Mr. Villiers) had said
vra,, 14at •11.Ltlid not consider the objection was as to
the dTetaiis, but as to meddling with the Corn-laws at
all ; and that, as no Opposition was to he offered to
t 5 motion, his lion. Friend had better bring in a Bill
art „,Q, lie never begged Vial to withhold his motion
on acMunt of casting odium on the other side. It
might do Mime good,, and he did not see how it cotild
prej Alice anybody.
Air. jIUTT, after the extraordinary speech of his
Hon.
Friend, the Member for Wolverhampton—
(Laoghter)—must make en observation. It was true
this was a private conversation, but his Hon. Frien4
had stated, two years ago, in that House, that his op
jection to this Bill was, that it would remove from the
Corn-laws a portion of that odium which he thought

they justly &served.
Mr. VILLIERS—No.
lir. H U TT—That was the impression on his mind.
If he had misunderstood his Hon. Friend, he must re-
turn tlie compliment by saying his Honourable yriend
hai most egregiously misuiederstoad him.—( A laugh.)
With regard to the motion before the House, he
benel to state it. was his determination to deal honestly
vri!h all parties.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw, and the
Hoes-, divided. Tire numbers wore—
For tire motion
Against 4
*Al...jority in favour of the app3lnt-
:vent of a Committee --72
PR.EVENTION OF BRIBERY AND; - J
TREATING.
tin our return to the gallery, we found
~'rd JOHN RUSSELL moving ter leave to btin
B:11 -*
for the better prevention di bribery and treat-
fle, wished to state what he had net before stated,
01; the previous occasion he bad not made Hi)
on the sub;eet, that it was his intention to in-
orovision into the Bill, concernin2 bribery and
the :part of the candidate. When it was
,-,,vious to an election bribery and treating,
treading, was going on, any candidate
:ce that the other cir:didate, by .