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ciency. Our population was annually increasing, and if I
we desired that this country should for the -future he pros-
perous, it was their duty to attend to tie training of the
rising generation, to protect them from the tyranny of their
parents, and from the tyranny of their masters. It would
be premature to advert to the mea.q4res which would be the
result of this inquiry, but he felt convinced that some mea-
sure would be necessary. In the conduct of the in-
quiry much would depend upon the willingness
with which information was afforded, and he trusted that
every one would feel it his duty to furnish the Comission-
ers with every information in his power. He would
pledge himself that the inquiry should be as full and as
perfect, and should take place as early as possible.
VIL LIE RS thought the Noble Lord was entitled
to the gratitude of the country for the manner in which he
had brought forward this subject. Ile thought the Noble
Lord bad not gone far enough. The conduct of the poor
was to be traced to the circumstances in which they
were placed. The real cause of the oresent state of the poor
was a want of employment and of a sufficient command
over the necessaries of life. This it was that compelled
them to toil so many hours, and almost to bring their
children into the market for sale.—(llLar, hear.) He
believed that the inquiry would be of great benefit, as
it would bring the condition of the people under the notice
of the country ; he therefore thanked the Noble Lord for
bringing forward the motion, and the Government for ac-
ceding to it.
Mr. H UNI E agreed with every word which bad fallen
from the lion. Gentleman who had preceded him. Ile
trusted the inquiry would lay bare the causes of the
poverty of the people; he hoped it would show the Noble
Lord that his support of the monopoly of the Corn-laws
was one of the main sources of the misery of the working
people of this country. The Corn-laws took from the
many and gave to the few—they were therefore against
the law of God. The Noble Lord then ought, in honesty, to
vote for the repeal of the Corn-laws in order to take from
the parents the necessity of employing their children in
the manner deprecated.
Dr. NIC HOLL denied that the children were em-
ploy ed in public works on account of the small wages of
the parents. He spoke from his own knowledge that
where the: parent was earning from 355. to 505., his
children were employed in works where they could get
wages.
Lord A SHL E Y would not reply, but merely return his
thanks to the Hon. Under Secretary of the Home De-
partment for the humane acquiescence in his motion.
The motion was then agreed to,

Mr. HUM E, in the absence of the Hon. Member for
Greenock, moved, " That an humble Address be presented
to her Majesty, praying that she will be graciously pleased
to refuse her consent to the filling up of any vacancies
which may occur in the stipendiary office of Sheriff Prin-
cipal, or Non-resident County Judge in Scotland, until in-
quiry shall have been made by a Committee of this House,
or by a Commission, into the propriety of longer applying
public money for the maintenance of this nearly sinecure
office, the duties of which are chiefly performed by a
deputy, whom the principal Judge appoints, which deputy
is not only a stipendiary county Judge, with a salary paid
out of the Exchequer, but a Judge holding the highest
station in each county as a resident Magistrate, exercising
an extensive and highly important judicial jurisdiction.
And that her Majesty will further direct inquiry into the
nature and extent of the evils which have been inflicted on
Scotland, in consequence of the Chief County Judge act-
ing by deputy, which renders it necessary to conduct law-
suits in writing, to the exclusion of viva voce proceedings
in the County Courts of Scotland, the want of which, in
these Courts of Justice, adds greatly to the delays and
expense of litigation, and creates great dissatisfaction
amongst the people." The time had now come when
sinecures of all kinds ought to be abolished.
Mr. EA STHOPE seconded the motion.

The Lord ADVOCATE was under the necessity of
opposing the motion. The system of Sheriffship in Scot-
land, was acknowledged to be the best part of the Judicial
system in that country.
Mr, HUME denied that the present system gave ge-
neral satisfaction, as was evidenced by a petition which he
presented only a few days ago from Paisley, signed by
upwards of 800 persons, complaining of the present
system of pleading, &c.
The motion was negatived without a division.
Mr. MACKINNON then rose to bring forward his
motion relative to the health of towns, when
An HoN. MEMBER moved the House should be
counted, and there being only 23 Members present, the
House adjourned at Half-past Six o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, Auousr 4.
ROYAL ASSENT.
The House met to-day at a Quarter before Four
o'Clock, when the Royal Assent was given by
Commission to the following Bills :
To Regency Bill, Soap Duties Bill, Assessed Taxes
Composition Bill, Parliamentary Boroughs Bill, Poor-
law Commission Bill, Insane Prisoners Bill, West India,
&c. Relief Bill, Eastlndia Mutiny Bill, Blenheim Palace
Bill, Turnpike Trusts Bill, Turnpike Acts Continuance
Bill, Caledonian Canal Bill, Canals Police Bill, Toll on
Lime Bill, Settled Estates Drainage Bill, Entailed Es-
tates (Scotland) Bill, Prisons (Ireland) Bill, Turnpike
Acts Continuance (Ireland) Bill, Newgate Gaol (Dub.
lin) Bill, Clyde Navigation Bill, Dundalk Harbour Bill,
Herculaneum Docks (Regulation) Bill, Harrington Dock
Company Bill, Exeter Market Bill, Erskine ( Western)
and Dumbarton Ferry Bill, Hereford Improvement Bill,
Wea:•cr Churches Bill, Monmouthshire Iron and Coal
Company Bill, Lord Douglas' Estate Bill, Chambers'
Estate Bill, Gregson's Estate Bill, Whalley's Estate Bill,
Earl of Scarborough's Estate Bill, Lord Vault of Harrow-
den's Estate Bill, Duke of Bridgewater's Estate Bill,
Grant's Divorce Bill, Close's Divorce Bill, Trafford's
Divorce Bill.
The Commissioners were—.the Lord Chancellor, the
Marquis of Lansdowne, the Marquis of Normanby, the
Earl of Clarendon, and the Earl of Shaftesbury.
Their Lordship& then adjourned during pleasure.

Their Lordships met again at Five o'Clock.
Lord DA CRE presented a petition from Bishop's Stort-
furd against idolatry in India.
The Militia Ballot Suspension Bill was read a second
time and ordered to be committed.
ADMIRALTY COURTS' BILL.

Lord PORTNI AN rn)ved the third reading of the Ad-
miralty Courts' Bill.
Lord BROUGHAM did not rise for the purpose
of opposing the third reading of the Bill, but
merely to draw their Lordships' attention to the
fact that, though in the present Bill they prohibited
the Judge of the Admiralty Court from sitting in Par-
liament, yet in the Municipal Corporations (Ireland)
Bill they allowed the Recorder of Dublin, to sit in the
Housa of Commons. The Noble Lord thought that
ought not to be permitted, and he trusted that at an early
period of the next Session a measure would be brought
forward to exclude all judicial officers from sitting in
the Houso of Commons.

After a few observations from Lord LYNDHURST,
the Bill was read a third time and passed.
MESSAGE FROM THE COMMONS.
Mr. BERNAL and other Members of the House of Com-
mons brought up the Consolidated Fund Bill, the Ex-
chequer Bills Bill, the Postage Bill, the Dublin Police
Bill, and one or two other Bills.
On the motion of Viscount DUNCANNON the Metro-
polis Improvements Bill, the Sugar Duties Bill, the Court
Houses (Ireland) Bill, and the Insolvent DAtors (India)
Bill, were severally read a third time and passed.
NEW SOUTH WALES BILL.
Viscount DUN CANNON moved the second reading of
the New South Wales Van Diemen's Land Bill, which was
agreed to.

pamphlets, all condemnatory of the publication in
question,•and he distinctly sated that he was not aware of
the libellous character of the Letters until the evening
when he was arrested. He further stated that he had, since
then, wholly refrained from the sale of those publication;.
Sir C. Shaw corroborated the main facts in Heywood's memo-
tie% and his representations had great weight with him
(the Marquis of Normanby) in the course he had adopted.
He said that Heywood had materially assisted him in pre-
serving the peace of the town of Manchester during the
previous winter, at a time of great political excitement and
alarm. He believed that Heywood had been uncon-
sciously made the instrument of the publication of the
work in question, and he therefore decided, that if Hey-
wood would enter into an engagement not to publish such
works in future, that he would be justified in letting him
off without further punishment, believing at the same time
that be would thereby best serve the object an must have
in view, namely, the suppression of such blasphemous pub-
lications. Now what were the facts? Why, that publica-
tions of the nature that had been adverted to are very
sensibly on the decrease, and so far, therefore, the course
he had adopted had tended to produce the result which he
desired. With regard to the petition which the Right
Rev. Prelate had presented, he believed it did not gene-
rally represent the feelings of the people of Manchester,
who were desirous of putting an end to such publications.
As the Right Rev- Prelate had therefore said, it must be
taken to be only the petition of the two individuals who
had signed it. He had spoken with some warmth on this
subject, but he felt indignant at the manner in which the
Right Rev. Prelate had imputed motives to him, while lie
had acted upon an impression of what was right, from the
facts that had been brought before him.
The Bishop of EXETER felt bound after what had
been said by the Noble Marquis, to say a few words.
With respect to one of the statements which the Noble
Marquis had represented him to have made, he must say
that what be stated was, and it was what he would state
again, that under such circumstances for the two Mem-
bers for Manchester, and the one for Salford, to go to the
Secretary of State with a memorial—such a case was,
though not in words, saying we are three of us. As to
the words the Noble Marquis had used of contempt in this
case, he would not drive them back upon him. He had
no contempt for the Noble Marquis—he had no contempt
for any one, but he must repeat what the Noble Marquis
had said. He had charged him with extreme inaccuracy
for denying that it was at the last Quarter Sessions this
occurred. Now, what was the fact ? Why, the Noble
Marquis himself had admitted that such was the case. The
Noble Marquis had stated that he had been told that the
individual was not an habitual blasphemous publisher;
if any person had told him so, he had had it in his power
to contradict him, for he had sent to him from a Magistrate,
of Manchester, depositions which proved distinctly that
this person was the guilty cognizant publisher of these
blasphemous publications. The publications were sent to
the Home-office with the depositions, so that the Noble
Marquis could not be ignorant of the whole circumstances
of the case. He would tell the Noble Marquis, in answer
to what lie had stated with respect to him, that the coun-
try would feel they had not a Government that would pro-
tect the morals and religion of the people, when persons
high in office pursued such a course as the Noble Marquis
had done, In a matter of such vital importance. The
Noble Marquis knew that in this very neighbourhood the
most frightful, odious, and immoral discourses were re-
cently delivered. At Ham Common, on Sunday last, a
meeting was held, of which the Noble Marquis was pre_
viously informed,. and at which, no doubt, he had persons
present who gave him an account of what passed there.
He, (the Bishop of Exeter) had received a communication
from a person who asked Robert Owen, on that occasion,
" Is a man at liberty to put away his wife at will ?" and
Mr. Owen answered " Yes."—( A laugh.) The person
asked " If man was responsible for his actions ?"
Mr. Owen answered, " No ; not even for murder, or for
any other crime." And he illustrated it by holding up a
decanter and glass of water, saying, " Man is no snore
responsible for his actions than this tumbler and this glass
is responsible for the water which I put into it." That
was the language held on Ham Common on Sunday last.
He himself had called the attention of the Noble Marquis
to the character of the publications exposed for sale in
the shop of Hetherington, in the Strand, so far back as
April last ; but he had heard nothing of a prosecution
since that time. He hoped, however, it was only through
the law's delay, and not through any intention to abandon
the prosecution. One of those publications, entitled,
" The New Ecce Homo," in which there was a repre-
sentation of a man pointing to a broken sceptre and a
broken cross, and saying, " Break the cross—it is the
priest; break the sceptre—it is the king." In the case
of Heywood, the Noble Marquis objecte to the evidence
of the Rev. Mr. Stowell, because ho was himself at the
time under prosecution for a libel. He (the:Bishop of Exeter)
had ascertained that Mr. Stowell was a clergyman of much
zeal and piety, and had exerted himself to check the pro-
gress of Roman Catholic doctrines in this country, for
which, perhaps, the Noble Marquis might not be disposed
to think the better of him.—( A laugh.) The alleged
libel consisted in his having stated that a man named John
O'Hara had been ordered by a priest to do public penance
by walking upon his hands and knees upon the high-road.
The statement was borne out by the policemen who found
the man in that position, and who, in the execution of
their duty, removed him, having received from him the
account of his conduct, for mentioning which Mr. Stowell
was prosecuted. But the action was not brought until
the man was in a lunatic asylum, and could not be pro-
duced as a witness.
The Marquis of NORMA NB Y replied, that with re-
spect to the books published by Heywood, and sent by the
petitioners to him, they had been submitted to the Law
Oilicera of the Crown, who would take what steps they
thought fit concerning them. The only answers which he
had received from the Lords-Lieutenant to his Circular on
the subject of blasphemous writings and discourses, led
him to believe that the Socialist system had sunk into con-
, tempt or oblivion.
The Bishop of EXETER said that four months had
elapsed since the papers were put into the hands of the
Law Officers of the Crown, and he asked would the House
endure such a case being treated so slightly ? He never
saw public justice so much outraged as it was by the Noble
Marquis.
Lord DUNCANNON moved the second reading of
the Pilots Bill.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said that the Noble
Lord was mistaken in supposing that the abuse which the
Bill removed from the pilotage of the Cinque Ports con-
sisted in any privilege of the pilots, but in a privilege of
the inhabitants, which was a fraud upon the pilots, as it
enabled the former to navigate their own vessels without
employing the latter. The fraud was carried to a great
extent, as it enabled shipowners from other ports to de-
fraud the pilots of the Cinque Ports by making any one of
the resident inhabitants a partner. lie thought that
those poor men ought to be protected.—(Hear, hear.)
They could not give these men compensation because they
were only paid for the labour they did, and they did not
choose to employ that labour. He should like another
mode of making the arrangement, but he should not oppose
the present Bill.
Viscount DUNCANNON said the Bill was merely a
temporary one.
The Bill was then read a second time.
The Slave Trade Treaties Bill was read a second time.
The Attorneys and Solicitors Ireland Bill was read a
second tape.
The Isle of Man Bill, the Slave Trade Treaties Bill
( Venezuela), the Joint Stock 13anking Bill, the Bank of
Ireland Bill, the Population (Ireland) Bill were respec-
tively read a second tone.
The Municipal Districts ( Ireland) Bill was read a third
time.

Their Lordships then resolved themselves into Com-
M I?. HEYWO 0 D. mince on the Church Temporalities ( Ireland) Bill, which
The Bishop of EXETER, ; Noble
see.ng the Marquis, was reported without amendments.
the Secretary for the Home Department in his place, CLERGY RESERVES.
would beg leave to present a petition gravely affecting the Their Lordships then resolved themselves into Commit-
interests of morality and religion, and the character of the tee on the Clergy Reserves ( Canada) Bill.
Noble Marquis himself. In consequence of what had Lord ELLEN BOROUG El said it would be desirable
passed in this House in reference to the horrible system of that the proceeds ariiing from the sale of the land should
Socialism, committees of respectable persons were formed not be invested in the colonial funds. Their investment
in various parts of the country, for the purpose of checking in the funds of this country would produce but small effect
the progress of blasphemous and immoral societies. From upon the price of the public securities, but in Canada this
one of those Committees the petition was forwarded to investment would place it in the power of the Governor
him, which he had now to present. The Committee .as to affect the price of colonial securities to an immense
Wesleyan ministers, two solicitors, five extent. It would act as a sinking fund, and make it a
composed of two
inhabitants of Manchester, and four other laymen, lie desirable speculation for any persons to advance money as
referred to the case of one Abel Heywood, who was pro_ a loan to the Government: but when this sinking fund
scented for a blasphemous libel to this etTect—" What ceased, the prices of the funds would fall, and the pro-
wretched stuff the Bible is I Would it not be a disgrace vision for the Clergy would, in fact, amount to nothing.
to a race of ourang outangs, much less to men ? it is a Ile therefore proposed to introduce a clause authorising
libel upon God and insult to man ; and every copy of it in her Majesty to give her assent to a Bill for the payment
existence ought to be burned." Teis man was pro- of the proceeds to the Governor and Council for invest-
• ecuted, but at the trial he was persuaded (at the avowed went, the interest on such investments to be paid prefer-
instance of the Government) to plead guilty ; whereupon ably to any other. The great object of the province was
the Queen's Counsel declined to press for a punishment, to sell these reserves, and to have the funds to apply to
and the defendant was liberated upon his oen affidavit, that the purpose of the completion of a ship canal ; now this
he had discontinued and had ordered his servants to discos- proviso would enable them to accomplish this, and it
tinue the sale of the libel. But the fact was would also place the provision for the clergy upon a per-
that he had immediately resumed the sale of bias- manent footing of security. Ile thought it advisable to
phemous libels, with which he (the Bishop of Exeter) give the Colonial Legislation the power of passing an Act
would not insult the ears of their Lordships, and the fact of for this purpose, without coming to the Imperial Perlis-
his having done so had been communicated to the Noble went for that purpose. Ile proposed to limit the interest
Marquis by one of the petitioners. The interest of the to five per cent. as a fair rate ; under the circumstances
two Members for Manchester, and also of the Mem- he thought it would not he,right to ask for more.
ber for Salford, had been exerted with the Noble Marquis Viscount MELBOURNE doubted whether the House
apprehend. that the
in favour of this man, who was not 014 a vender but an was competent to
Einotriezdoueuelsiucdhida
ncloatuse.
habitual vender of blasphemous publications. He
impious clause
Lord ELLEN
of the
aware
Commons.all interfere with the privileges of the
say that those gentlemen were
character of the man, but the
SETON. said. he had no doubt but that this
Noble Marquis was so,
charged
HoLuoserdof
it was highly reprehensible for the person who was char
will the guardianship of the peaceand morale of the com- Bill would be received with the greatest joy throughout
him province, and would
munity, to allow parliamentary interest to influence in the put an end to the agitation which
had existed
such a case as this. The petition prayedhis their
ea . Lordships for yearsears past
Earl of
to institute an inquiry into the facts of t
mostse anxious RIPON entertained some doubts as to the
to policy of the clause, inasmuch it • '
The Marquis of NORM ANB Y was ,!
of as dep wed the Church of
take the earliest opportunity of giving the must eepianae any power purchasing land either as an investment, or
tion of his conduct in the ease referred to, but before he for the purpose of building churches or glebe houses. He
did so he begged leave to repudiate with contempt, con-did not, however, press his objection.
'on of the Right Rev. Lord ELLE NBO ROUG II said the clause was merely
eisteatly with his respect fir the state
he had been
Prelate, the insinuation he had thrown out that permissive, and not compulsory.
operated upon in the discharge of his duty by the applica- Lop! SEATON said that in no one year had the whole
tion of three Members of Parliament. 'I rue, three gentle- of the reserves ordered for sale been purchased. fie
men had presented petitions on the subject of Abel Heywood, should prefer investing the proceeds in British securities.
but, as their Lordships must well know, they had merely done The Archbishop of CANTERBURY had felt himself
as any other Members of Parliament who were entrusted authorized in assenting to the Bill with a view of pacifying
with the preservation of petitions to the Home-offioe would the Province, but he regretted extremely the state of spi-
have done. He had stated to them that he could give ritual destitution in which the Province was left. There
them no answer then, as the case of Heywood were whole masses who sometimes did not sea a minister
was under consideration, and he would act in a of the Gospel once in fourteen days. Some portions of
great measure upon the Report that would be made the Province were in a state of actual heathenism, and it
to him. Previously to that time he had received a memo- . was to be regretted that no further provision was made for
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vial from
Heywood, and he had transmitted it to Sir ' the extension of religious instruction, than that arising
Charles Shaw, for the purpose of having the facts r from the sale of the Clergy Reserves. The Church of
therein contained investigated. The defendant stated , England in the Provinces received at present about
that a prosecution had been instituted against him I 16,000/. a year, a most wretched pittance, and which,
for having published Haslarn's Letters to the Clergy until
sea f li. WU was daily diminishing. Un-
g o t is i
of all
denominations, which he bad afterwards discovered der th ill the share of the Church of England, would
contained a blasphemous libel. The Right Hon. Prelate not exceed 25,000/. a year. He trusted the Government
had very unwarrantably contradicted a statement made would take the state of spiritual destitution of the Pro-
by him when, he ventured to set him right as vince into their most anxious consideration, and not to subject
to the time at which the
prosecution was instituted, j this country to that curse which must fall upon it if it ne.
but it appeared the Right Honourable Prelate was not glected the
most important interests of such a large mass
justified by the fact in so doing. The petitioner stated of its subjects. He thought the amendment proposed by
that he was a general publisher for the sale of all tie- his Noble Friend was liable to the objection brought ' 1
seriptione of books except those of an immoral or against it by the Noble Earl. He should be sorry to see
obscene character, and. that he had sofa five differeot , the proceeds invested in Colonial securities of any sort. 1

He wished that the funds had been placed at the disposa
of the Church itself, to be invested as the Church night
think fit. The evil of this Bill was, that it made the
Church for ever a burthen upon the funds of the country,
and it would be subjected to unpopularity on that account.
He would rather have been committed them to the care
of the Society which had done so much for the Province.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw, but no division
took place, the clause (we believe) being negatived with-
out a division.

CLAIMS OF THE SPANISH

The Bishop of EXETER complained that under the
clause one-tenth of the funds to be raised by the sale of
the Reserves was to be given to the Roman Catholic
Clergy—and that was out of funds laid aside specially by
Act of Parliament for the support of Protestantism. They
were going to force it upon the Catholics too, for they did
not ask for :t ; but in au address to Lord Durham the Ca-
tholics of Upper Canada disclaimed the right to partici-
pate in these funds. lie moved the insertion of the word
Protestant in the third clause.

Lord ELL ENBOROUGH said if they took away any
portion of the bounty of the Crown now enjoyed by the
Catholics in Upper Canada, they could not by any pos,ii,
bility expect tranquillity; they would immediately raise a
Catholic question in Canada, the end of which could not be
foreseen.

Viscount MELBOURNE opposed the amendment upon
the very grounds stated by the Noble Lord, and he most
earnestly entreated the House not to accede to the intro-
duction of the word which would create immediate dis
session.

The Earl of RIPON considered the whole of the Bill
as a sort of csmpromise which gave to the Church rights
to which she was not now entitled. He thought it would
be unwise to leave any matter rankling in the minds of
any portion of the people. lie therefore opposed the
amendment.

The Bishop of EXETER, contended that if the Go-
vernment was pledged to support., the Catholics, let
them go to Parliament and ask for the means to redeem
the pledge, but do not let them steal those funds which
were especially set apart for the support of Protestantism.
Strangers were ordered to withdraw. The House di-
vided, when there oppeared—
For the amendment l7
Against it 27
Majority

The clauses were then agreed to. The House resumed.
The Report to be received to-morrow.
The Stock. in-trade Bill was abandoned, as it was con-
sidered that some of the words went too far in exempting
property from being rated. A temporary Bill would be
introduced to-morrow.
Lord BROUGHAM presented petitions from Bishop's
Stortford and Glasgow, in favour of the Affirmation Bill.
Lord MONTE AGLE presented petitions of a simi-
lar nature, and then moved the second reading of the Bill.
The Noble Lord stated that the Bill was for the purpose
of relieving those persons who, having been Quakers or
Moravians, had joined the Church of England, but still had
a conscientious objection to taking an oath. The Bill had
been drawn up by Mr. Baron Alderson, who had seen the
evils caused by the want of such a measure, and he believed
that it met with the general approbation of the Learned
Judges.
The Duke of WELLINGTON entreated their Lord-
ships to pause before they passed the present Bill, and to
recollect that the basis of all justice was truth, which was
generally obtained more effectually through the solemnity
of an oath than without it. He was afraid if the present
Bill passed they would shake the foundation of justice,
added to which he thought a measure like the present
ought to be introduced at an earlier period of the Session.
The Noble Duke concluded by moving that the Bill be
read a second time that day six months.
Lord BROUGHAM supported the principle of the
Bill, but he should have been more pleased with the mea-
sure if it had been without the test, which was provided
by it. Approving of the principle of the Bill, he should
vote with his Noble Friend, who had xaovcd its second
reading.
Lord L YNDHURST had a very great aversion to
the Bill, and every person who knew anything of the ad-
ministration of justice must know that the security which
it was said was introduced in the Bill was a mere
mockery. He thought the Noble Lord opposite could
not be serious when he said that this Bill had been drawn
by a Learned Baron, for to him it appeared to be full of
absurdities.

The Earl of DEVON objected to the Bill, as it intro-
duced a system of giving evidence in criminal cases with-
out the sanction of an oath.
Lord MONTE AGLE replied, and, after a few observa-
tions from Lord LYNDHURST, the Bill was withdrawn.
LAW OF EVIDENCE (SCOTLAND) BILL.
The LORD CHANCELLOR moved the third read-
ing of the Law of Evidence ( Scotland) Bill.
The Earl of HADDINGTON opposed the motion.
All ho asked of their Lordships was to inquire if it would
be safe to introduce so much of the law of England, or
any part of it, into the present system of judicature in
Scotland. He moved that the Bill be read a third time
this day three months.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the Bill had
been introduced early in the Session, and had been sub-
jected to investigation in Scotland, after which it had gone
through Committee in this House. He could not, there-
fore, admit that it was proposed to pass it without in-
quiry. He did not know what could be gained by delay,
except to defeat the Bill for the present Session. The
Noble Earl could not say tha Bill had not been discussed,
for on the question of the second reading, the Noble Earl,
calculating upon a majority upon his own side of the
House, which was always greater than he (the Lord
Chancellor) could command upon his side, brought for-
ward an amendment similar to his present one, that the Bill
be read a second time that day six months. But before
the Noble Earl had concluded his arguments against the
measure, his majorities, which were dwindling away during
his speech, vanished_ from his sight, and the Noble
Earl did not think proper to divide the House.—( Hear,
hear.) Ile regarded the question as one of great impor-
tance to the administration of justice in Scotland, and he
trusted that their Lordships would pass the Bill.
The Marquis of NORM ANB Y, in support of the Bill,
instanced the recent case of the Dalrymples, in which the
only witnesses who could prove the mitigated character of
an act of homicide, were relations of the accused, and in-
capacitated to give evidence in his favour. In that case
he (the Marquis of Normanby) was induced by other cir-
cumstances to mitigate the sentence passed upon Dal-
rymple. But the whole of the facts were of such a nature
as convinced him that the law ought to be altered, and he
hoped the Bill would pass.
Lord WHA RNCLIFFE would support the amend-
ment, because the members of the Scotch bar were not
prepared for the proposed alteration in the law of evi-
dence ; and the whole subject required more considera-
tion than had been given to it.
The Earl of HADDINGTON said that the Faculty in
Scotland had expressed themselves favourable to a modi-
fication of the existing law, but they never would consent
to so sweeping an alteration as this Bill proposed. He
repeated that all he asked fur was the delay of a few
months to give time fur a full consideration of the subject.
He should feel it his duty to divide the House. It had
been said that the Bill passed the House of Commons
without opposition. But that was not the fact, for it was
very much resisted there, and by a gentleman who had
filled the office of Lord Advocate.

Lord CLARENDON said that it was very irregular to
refer to what had occurred in the House of Commons.
After a few words further in explanation from the Earl
of HA DDING TON, strangers were ordered to withdraw,
and the House divided, when the numbers were,
For the third reading
Against it ...
Majority
—4
The Bill was then rcai a third time and passed.
On the motion of the Earl of CLARENDON, the
Railways Bill, after a few words from the Marquis of SA-
LISIIUISV and Lord WIIARNCLIFFE, who supported the
principle of the Bill, was read a second time.
The Duke of WELLINGTON said that the railways
had now a monopoly of the principal carrying trade
throughout the country, and they ought to be placed more
under the control of the Government than they were by
this Hear.) They had driven all other carriers off
the roads. Their bye-laws were not sufficient for the pro-
tection of the public, and the inspectors ought to have
greater powers than the Bill gave them.
Lord CLARENDON said that the Bill was only an
experimental measure; and if it was not found to be suf-
ficient, it would be amended and enlarged.
The Earl of GLENG ALL said that the monopoly of
the railways was intolerable. Nothing could be more
scandalous than tue mode of car., ing goods under the
present system.
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to
be committed on Thursday next.

PAROCHIAL ASSESSMENT BILL.
The Earl of DEVON moved the second reading of
this Bill.
Lord PORTMAN moved that it be read a second time
this day six months.

The Marquis of SALISBURY and Earl lIARDWICKE sup-
ported the amendment, and the Bill was withdrawn.
LOAN SOCIETIES BILL.

Lord NIONTEAGLE moved the Order of the Day
For the Committee on this Bill.

The Marquis of SALISBURY said that the Act which
was passed to facilitate the formation of Loan Societies
was intended to facilitate charitable loans. But he be-
lieved that those societies were now obtaining usurious
interest. He would propose in the Committee that the
rate of interest should be reduced from 15 to 10 per cent.
He would also propose that those societies should not hold
their meetings in public-houses, as he believed that where
they were so held a great part of the loan was expended
in drinking.
The Duke of WELLINGTON concurred in the ob-
servations of his Noble Friend.
Lord MONTE AG LF, was only desirous that the Bill
should go into Committee, in which its details would be
considered, and the suggestions of every Noble Lord
would be attended to. He was as willing as his Noble
Friend to lower the rate of interest, and he would not
object to take the Bill as only a temporary measure, to be
revised next year. But he was convinced at present, that
to reduce the rate of interest below 15 per cent. would be
making too large a step at first. If such a reduction were
made without further inquiry, the whole object of the mea-
sure would be hazarded.

The House then went into Committee, and the pream-
ble was agreed to.

On the motion of the Alarquis of SALISBURY, clause
6 was omitted.

On the motion of the NOBLE MARQUIS, clause 10, which
gave a power to two Justices of summary conviction of
borrowers and sureties guilty of fraud, was also omitted.
After a few words from Lord MONTEAGLE and the Marquis
of SALISBURY, the rate of interest, as set forth in clause
22, was altered from 15 per cent. to 12 per cent.
A clause was then agreed to limiting the operation of the
Bill to the close of the next Session of Purliament,
The House resumed, and the Report was ordered to be
brought up to morrow.
The other orders were then disposed of, and the House
adjourned at a Quarter pat Eleven.

AUXILIARY LEGION.

We received the following letters on MondlY
but want of space prevented their earlier appearance
our columns :

TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.
26, Devonshire-place, Aug.4'
Sin—As your sympathy for the persecutions of the
officers and men of the British Auxiliary Legion, or
(laced you to insert and advocate in your Liberal J'llre
nal of the pith ult., my letter in their behalf, miY I beg
of you the favour of granting admittance to the anonl:
panying copy of a letter addressed to the Times, in c°,ll
sequence of a most extraordinary misrepresentation by
that paper of my intentions.
I apprehend little doubt but that the Times Will iry
cart it also, as the only just retribution which it ea°
offer for its mis-statements ; but as it is much more
difficult to counteract the effect of an evil report than
it is to give currency to it, I am induced again to 3r
peal to your kindness from an anxiety for my own chi.
ratter and the cause which I advocate.
I have the honour to be, Sir,
Your most obedient and much obliged servant,
CHARLES COCHRANE'

TO THE EDITOR. OF THE TIMES. j
Sup— My attention having been last Saturday directe.,,
by a friend, to your paper of the 28th ult., vthere!,"
there is a second article on the subject of my letter I°
behalf of of the original claimants of the British Legi'th
I take the earliest opportunity of correcting a v ry
serious mis-statement of my views into which you kW"
so strangely to me, allowed yourself to be misled. of
When you impeached my judgment in your par:, 3
the 24th, I remained mute, inasmuch as I thougn'if
possible I was in error, although I could not rid 10°,4
of the suspicion, that you had, from the tenor of Pre
remarks, most widely misconceived my intentions; at,tb'e
same time I saw a little difficulty in conveying t°
Editor of so powerful a Paper as your own, that it ,`l'd
possible he had committed a mistake—but when I n°
you have actually misrepresented in your Paper of ,0
28th ultimo, the integrity of the principles on which 513 e
letter was founded, it is quite time that I should 1311 Lit
stop to such a proceeding, as 1 conceive it alike PM":
dicial to my character as a man of honour, and the:liii.;
happy cause of the deserted claimants that I am anll°-
to advocate.
You say, under the bead of your City article, " that ml
letter which appeared last week recommended the 51)0";
nislc Government not to pay any thing to those pers°",§
who have purchased Certificates of pay and allowanc
without the consent of the holders." I herewith sett,
you another printed copy of my letter, and after on %t
tentive perusal of the same, I challenge you to 1)310.
out to me a paragraph embodying so dishonourableoa
so absurd a recommendation. The argument 800
groundwork of my letter hinged wholly and soleli od
three simple words, " through British mediation, I'r
which, in order to avoid the possibility of a, Ift
conception, were printed in italics—and
so secure against the liability of misconstruction or Pii.
representation, that I by no means considered it aec'b,
sary to occupy more of the valuable columns of the
lic Journals by enlarging on this point. British illet!I 01
tion has taken place from a sympathy to the oriel ej
claimants ; and the Spanish Government has COtero;
upon its present financial arrangement, to its very ra-ai
inconvenience and the sacrifice of all other clainthir"be
a similar humane feeling ; therefore I argued, that t,
purchasers were bound in common honesty, as the c„etf
tificates had thereby become so very valuable, to on?i,
the original claimants a portion of' the benefit of nr,_illso
mediation. If the purchaser would not consent co ti'ete
terms he inflicts a twofold injury on the unfortt°
claimant.
In the first instance the miseries of the claimant to'
able him (the purchaser) to become the possessor of
certificate for a very trifling sum ; and in the second 0,
stance a sympathy for the miseries of the claimant repo
ders this certificate, according to the opinion of Sir or
Lacy Evans, fully worth the whole nominal value'
100 per cent. A to
In a case which was only four days ago subinitte,"nse
me by an officer, a Captain in the British Legion.vi"wof
necessities compelled him to part with his certifiettte,;(o
200/. for 28/. ss. 6d., previous to British mediai',h
°-
having taken place, the purchaser will now get tbr();t3,:uf
British sympathy a clear profit of 1711. 14s. 6d.
the interest of the purchase money. to
If you will take the trouble, as I have dane'tes,
inquire into the conditions of the sales of certifica"oe
you will find that the amount given fluctuate betty of
12/. and 19/. for every hundred. The only sYstchilljfi,
compulsion which I recommended was to the Spn,,lir
nister and the British AuthoritieS, and that referrecl6`:lA
sively to the payment of money rased through Prtielof
mediation." If the purchasers thought it consis to
with common honesty and common fair dealing an,thee
allow their victims to participate in their profits, 'obi
my letter implied that the usurious purchasers sbi° be
be forbidden the benefit of British mediation. avhi-b
compelled to negotiate themselves with the SP3",.t'i.
Government at Madrid for the payment of these cosh
ficates, in the same manner as the unfortunate SP3-eirit
bondholders have been obliged to do for the Wrili-ost
of the interest of their bonds. Their stock 'sleet
enough, God knows ; their money was gencrouslYni
;11
w
in a good cause, and with the best inientions.iati
ma
certainly think every honest man will agree—
that they have a priority of right to demand 13nr the
mediation in their behalf over those speculators re-
miseries and misfortunes of the British Legion. dva,
gret, Sir, that justice to myself and the cause I it •e 0.
eate will not admit of my compressing my 0113111un' bort,
tion into a smaller compass, but whether long °r iv
I am convinced your love of fair dealing will gitr,'e,t'srat.
sertion, and if placed under the head of your City st.
tick, I assure you I shall not now apprehend tho
cisms of your practical City'readers.
I have the honour to be, Sir,
Your's, very faithfully,
,-, Ap NE'
CHARLES COCHLt'
26, Devonshire-place, Monday,
Aug. 3, 1840.

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