The Sun.
London, England, 1841-03-03 00:00:00

EVENING EDITiC)I4.

couRT OF SE WERs Fo
MINSTErt AND PART OP' 111IDDLESEN•
7rties of

A Special Court of Sewers for the City and Libe.
Westminster and part of the county of Middlesex, was yesler..
day held at the office of the Commissioners in Greek-street,
Soho. Before proceeding to the bu-iness of the Cour',
Air. LEsux rose to call the attention of the Court to his ob-
jection to the legality of the meeting.
Air. T. JOHNSON rose to protest against the business of dr,
ere
Court being thus interruptedconstantlyby nnemeraber, w
for the sake of notoriety. If those interruptions were continue'''.
and the time thus wastei, he would never come again. It was t.'°,
bearable that one member should come there to make spec°,
because he happened to be connected with a public Journa,
and to bring reporters there to give his speeches notoriety.
Several members rose to protest against the time b4ln.
wasted by the eternal speeches of a certain Commissioner. d.
Mr. T. KNIGHT moved to order payment of 47/. 18s. 5
for rates and taxes:
Air. LOCKE seconded the motion.
Mr. LESLIE wished to have his objection to the legality n' the •
meeting recorded.by the Clerk. The
The CHAIRMAN said it could not be done at present.
only way would be for the Hon. Commissioner to make a do'
tinet motion on the subject.
Mr. T. JOHNSON— Oh Sir, the reporter will take: are to
re cord your objection.
'the motion was then put and carried. the
Captain BAG UE then moved that the Court do sign
decree for the rate on the Ranelagh district in the Lod

manner.
Sir G. FARRANT seconded the motion. their
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thought that it would be more proper to allude to the hd
of the Traverse Jury ; and, therefore, he should moee an aMen"te
ment that the decree be signed in the usual form, except jury,
far as the presentment had been altered by the Traverse bur'
in the case of St. Luke's, Chelsea, the Old Church
ground, workhouses, and schools in the same parish. had
Mr. BEACH would have supported such an amendment, in
it been proposed on Tuesday last ; he had great pleas re
seconding it.
Mr. LESLIE wished to know if either the mover or sae°°4Bl,
of the motion had read the decree.
. The CHAIRMAN said, that any Commissioner mightrmu is!
any other Commissioner a question, but it was for the ‘7,
missioners to decide whether he would answer. -
Captain BAGUE would not answer the question. _ cop
The amendment was then put and carried, only Ihref„teio
missioners, Sir G. Farrant, Mr. Willoughby, and
Payne, voted against it.
the Coer
Mr. LESLIE, who, during the division, had left
moved that the
had no objection, names be taken downbut .
in point, of order, bf °l-
Mr. BEACH
jected to a Commissioner who, during the divis7on, had let the
Court, making a motion regarding that division. the
. Mr. LESLIE said he had retired below the bar, because- k.
'Chairman had ruled that he was not to be permitted tlreer
The CHAIRMAN had not prevented the Hon. Conel"
from speaking. Li DOI
Mr. LESL lE—The Chairman had ruled that he a11°,,1 the
be permitted to speak on the question of the illegality
meeting.
The CHAIRMAN had so ruled on that question. eerie%
Mr. LESLIE
-did not interfere, for he contended the ra
was illegal, and the proceeding void ab initio. miistover
Capt. BAGUE wished to know why the Hon. Com
was there if the meeting were not a legal one ?
had
go?e
Mr. LESLIE attended as one of the deputation whother
up to Lord Normanby yesterday, to give an account et
proceedinge.
District 111 •
The decree for a rate in the Counters Creek. Dii4r , the
then ordered to be signed, Mr. Fuller alone voting against
motion.
The decree for levying the rate on the Counters Creek
iaa
trict was then read by the Clerk, and signed by .the Char
and six Commissioners. •
Captain BAGUE—Your names will all be iu The Su 'I tfr'll'ar'
row morning, gentlemen.—( A laugh.) edto
Tho Collector's books for tke district were then order
be
The sined.
triet
g decree for levying the rate in the Ranelafl-h dis Me.
was then read by the Clerk and signed by the Chairtnard''
A'Beckett, Mr. Beach, Mr. Johnson, Mr: Locke, an
White.
were er
A COMMISSIONER expressed his fear that they tect
barking on a sea of litigation. Ile was instructed to std se
one chapel, attended by 2,000 persons, would certainly
the etermination of the Comi.
The Collector's books form thessioners district were then read laa
signed.
Mr. LESLIE wished to know how many of Is°
tile bye- •
approved of in 1839 had been repealed.
The CHAIRMAN—None. thl know of. die
Mr. LESLIE would ask the Chairman to slate whetheireso.
decrees jus' signed were in conformity with their own hYe:
that
They had departed from all laws ef the Court in roakt%
decree, and, as a matter-of course, everything done underbp eel
void. Was the Chairman aware that by ,re
the course had
adopted they had departed from those bye-laws ? ',ere
charged parties by those decrees, who were not within le
lations. . teel
The CHAIRMAN asked the Clerk if there was any °tea
in the usual form?
The CLERIC—Not that lam aware of. silty °I
Mr. LESLIE said that first he had objected tosthe meobYe
the Court ; next, it was contrary to the ordinance and
laws.
to erges
Mr. WILLOUGHBY rose to order. They were not 9t, net,
the objection now ; the objectisn appeared to him 111°
chievous.
d fr°
The CHAIRMAN thought Mr. Leslie was precluded
making these objections now. not
Mr. LESLIE had purpo,ely abstained from taking OIL lot°,
the discussion relative to the decree. As he was 'not to
''.
the objection now, he would be contented with the allay'
none of the bye-laws had been rescinded. &OP
The CHAIRMAN was not aware that any material Alter
had taken place. mion to
Mr. LESLIE would ask if there would be any ke- other'
basing Loth the decrees printed and delivered with the 0 wsot
it would save an enormous sum to the parishes, hcoral'"
otherwise get them from the solicitors. Would he be
dered out of order in moving it now?
The CHAIRMAN thought he could move. •
Mr. BAKER—No, it cannot be m
had better take the oved now. e cha
Mr. LESLIE—ReaIIy, Mr. Paker fae b
The Chairman had decided he could move it, and theist
would move that the decrees be printed.
Mr. BEACH objected to the printing the decrees. f ;ore'
Mr. A'BECKETT thought it would have the effect tiliet
dating the office with applicants. He would suggest t cep'
Clerk should Le ene owet ed by law to furnish copies
the rather
tab charge. He objected to furnishing parties with tile robe
of flndirg fault with their own proceedings. It Wa' to fa.
ungracious in the members of that Court to endeavor „l.t.
nish means to others to upset the prcceedings of the ,°,-be die;
Mr. JOHN GUNTER thought it very advisable that
He
crees sh ,uld be printed and furnished to the public. persons
not imagine that more than 100, or at furthest 200 e
see
woul appFAly for them.
ird G.FARRANT was afraid that the solicitors - - l
fod r°,},e
there and get the printed espy and charge their. chenls
copy M. 401;
Mr. LESLIE then altered his motion that the decree o
d
be printed and forwarded to each Commissioner, an
vestry-cliks and solicitors of the dieret parishes; to eat-
Mr. J. e
BROWN seconded the motiffon, n
as one likely
the time of the clerks, e Ce°l4
Mr. W. WHITE proposed as an rmendment, that th
do not depart from its usual practice. • bleb 00
Mr. T. H. JOHNSONseconded the amendment,
carried by 17 to 4. V
• ce•
eal.
Messrs. W. White, Chalmers, Knight, Bardillon,tt 01
Bran:comb, Biffin Soley, T. H. Johnson, A'Bec'.'e Vsglei4
loughby, Baker, Locke,' Sir George Farrant, Captain fly
and D. Rogers, voting for the amendment ; and leg laid
ter, J. Gunter, Leslie, and Browne against it. ;,,e3
'1 he Surveyors then presented their Report on Ple re"
r t the
through the bank of the Counters Creek Sewer, f°_,liich
of the West London and Westminster Cemetery ; "a anO°
Chairman proposed should be printed and circulatecussej,
the Commissioners previous to the question being dis
The Hon. P. B. BOUVERIE would at a proper titne;taticet: •
to the "oust his reasons for considering that. In 0-;1 , ode,
the Commissioners had exceeded their authority. '
was this :—ln consequence of the Cemetery Conll4,le%estoo%
made some under-ground drains to draw off the surfa` nice° r
had occasioned that to communicate with 'pipes cc/111010d eete.a
with the Westminster Canal. Now, the ground °der °l'll
be used for the purposes of being built upon • and, un la cut ar•
circumstances, he should hardly think the Court w" "``.e.
a ' toe
the ancient drainage, and force the Company to build exer
He thought the Commissioners were attempting to
a right which they never could maintain. hi, coil
Mr. J. GUNTER thought the Company were wr°,ngtbeC
ing to the Court at all. They ought to have gone 10 deprive
-Company.. The Cemetery Company ought not to bed for 1
of their ancient rights of drainage. All they aske
permission to lower the pipes ; they had a right to iten, to the,
Mr. BEACH thought they were quite right in 011'1a:a it 13
Court to ask the permission required, and not to deril,a, beaPt,
a right ; they had no right of the sort. The Court netdbeee
to protect the , property of building ground in the . ,
hood, by procuring the means of efficient drainage- and
Captain HAGUE moved that the report be printed of Mart
culated and that a special Court be heldon the 161,"
to consider it.
Mr. WieeoucHnv seconded the motion. • ,g the i;eet
Mr. HAWRES did not see any necessity for prirt`l:o" do
port. The Cemetery Company should be required 4. cold
which all other parties-were compelled to do, and be
see any benefit to be derived from further delay, , to
The motion was then put and agreed to. „ Iligr not
The Surveyors then reported, on petition of ' vlO
build 250 feet of gully drain in Fulham-road, the invret
advisable it should be granted, and suggested certain
-silents which would produt e the desired effect. the
The report was-approved cf, , to ter
The next business for the Court was to conodleirestoillr„rs
rating of churches in the eastern division a the solic'e`4l.3l
sewers, with reference to a communication from 5e ' -
tev fro'
respect:ng their conference with the solicitors ease, oo
parishes upon the eubjed of a proposed silecleiconte t 0
which it appeared that no arrangement could be
fly
the subject of a special ease. had reeetes•
Mr. A'BECKETT said that the Legislature poor-ratite
thought proper to exempt an places of worship from
tioa if hi,
He thought it would save much trouble and litiga_
Marquis of Normanby were requested to introduce isuihie
thcr
Bill a clause exempting churches, chapels, and O from Ste
exempted from Poor-ratesby the Ad of Wrre
_ffect. pee
rates. He would give notice of a motion to that,te
that be ero,
Mr. Wreenuerinv thought it would be sce,%ould be Teo
proceeding to levy distress on this property tbeY d some ear)
perly advised. Sir. William Follett had explal", Hear, eet,
difficulties of levying on ecclesiastical ropertcYTie` adjusti,°4 be
—and as there seemed no pro-spect of art ,houl „et,
he proposed that the opinion of an eminent eivinal'a to inter
taken as to the power of the Ecclesiastical Court
TheY
to prevent the levying a distress.
hadMrd.ocLreeesde Itehasthoifulndo likett.tl h,:te vree tthoe
bdoefeoroe
ne
ne
ohd.ney
ocf°l°-opi
decree away the land. Then why ask the the °pie
civilian now ? They had decreed they could do it ,
should have been taken before signing the decree .alluded t°'
The Clerk then read the portion of the decree olon.
Captain HAGUE seconded Mr. Willoughby's
In answer to Mr. Leslie, the CLERK stated that
lectors might apply for warrants in the cases o
uts
the 19th of this month. re t° P had
they da T_
ey
Mr. LESLIE said the question was, would ,
lana • e
distress into a church, or sell consecrate(
av, nos ,ney,
more 131,°iniseo
tbieesepnereantteragpopmedesitnettos,
tshigenyin,gyearedgecorieneg tthoatspdeiidave
the
oin.n
More law was the cry ; and now they a distress
°n.
Mr. JOSEPH BROWN thought the conduct
dicereting ° were
Chf uarchei.viliTanheyaskntewleetyheenrultdhenrotc.oulvdere.putto,
of the Co f the
this question reflected little credit on the ivy
into
Cemmistioners, or on their knowledge of the Laring. themviouid
foolishly entering on a course which would
din thichatorthebeesc°o
odium. It would bring the Church uponnil' „leo, p. rood
Unless t„ )liigaf
cborminglaitoheof Dthisesiernttearxsinugpmoneettihnegn_sh, who "n'Ot
s, bad
churches at only two-theirds, their vatue.new, a ionee,_„ree.
some loophole to escape, they were commencing th
tion. They ought to have advised before signing
rate,
It was a disgrace to the Court. king the •eil•
thaenqoupeisnloonn
as
but far; tAo ntEhYe takingd tonohtoaws• it vi-aas to be foul