The Sun.
London, England, 1812-04-10 00:00:00

AFFAIRS OF INDIA;

The Earl of LAUDERDALE; in pursuance of his,
notice of yesterday, addressed iheir I;rdShips 'on
subiat. The ohjeet of the • first- motion he
sitriuld submit to their Lordships, was one to which
he thought no objection would be made—it was tor
the bringing before that Hons 4 certain important
information which already ha.: been distrd)t.ited: to
various :-Metribers of the East -India
What he mem was, Copies of eesiaLi Papers re
speCting the negociation between !he Directors of
toe East India Company, and his Maj;:sly's Gavern
'Tient, • Th.e object of whiCh he repeated, was to
!Jring papers and information regularly before that
House, whidh was alreaqy before the" •public,
through a neutral channel. His Lordships hav-
ing moved to the above died, the saute was order-
ed accordi•;gly, -
End of LAUDERDALE continued. What he
was now about to propose might nut be regarded by
No6le Lords opposite'in- exactly the same light. • He.
mpani for pro.;netion ut certain correspondence
relative to the military plaiis of- Lord Cornwallis, in
1794, referring to a transfer of the hid an 'army to
the set vice of his Majesty. The correspondence to
winch he alluded,'would foi-m a very important
part of that information which it was certainly his

wish to 'bring upon the table of that liouso. He
then regularly moved as above.
The Earl of BUCKIN-GHANISHIRS observed there
could be no Possible objeaion to the motion—
the fad was, the papers were printed, and in the
, ,

The question was put, and trill papers ordered t,-)
be laid before the House. •
The Earl of LAUDERDALE proceeded to state t (!at
another notion he had co submit- on the same sub-
jed,was to procure certain i:iformation to/ he Ho „,se,
which arose out oc or was referrel to in a lei ter
from the and De:iuty Chairinan of the
Eist India Dire `:.tors to the:`able Person lately at
the heal of 1116 Board of Cootroul—t his document
stated that much information-could ne f•irniiined
speding the connedion of the trade to the East In-
dies, with the navigation system; How such par-
ticular. ;tito*rmation militated, he could not say', it
did not appear to have been called for by Govern-
ment, but it was of t'Amislderable importance, accord-
ing to h.- expressed opinion of the Chairman ; and
it would appear to be of that- nature, as, in his mind,
was highly proper to be laid before the House.-.--
His Lordship then te:td the motion which he in-
tenited,to propose for the prodOttion of the same—
when.

The &ill of BUCKINGHAMSHIRE saiaa few words,
across the table, the .purport of which we did
not distially bear, and, as we could collect, the
proposition was • not then -pressed by the former

The Earl of LAUDERDALE then adverted to an-
other description of infortnation,'whiCh he co..ceived
it pepper to have ipd before 'their Lordships; with
a view to their. due understanding of the -subject.
He held it to tie of essential iMportance. • It Was
known that ceriain rules, orders, and regulations
were established by 'the Govertamtnt.-in India, re-
speding the access to that part of the eittpire ; the
effect of which was such os would tenet to render
nugatory a permission to trade with that country.
it-,Was proper the traders and manufaaturets:whose
interests were so much at stake, shoUld know the
nature and. effect. !If these regUlations. To keel:
them from this knowledge woold be a decer on,
a species of humbug upon -them! What he pro-
posed to move foL was, for copies of all orders,
rules, and peg-Illations, established on the part of
she United Corr pang' troding to India, at Fart
in Bengal., and at other plac,,,s in India, feta_
five to the access and tra ;nig intercourse with Int
countly.- There conid be no difficulty, he said, in
the prodattr,n of these orders, as the Government
in India were compelled to send every year copies
of these regulations to the India Housd. This too,
_tion, however, he was willittg
.to postpone to any
day No de Lora chose.
Atter oi few words. from the Earl.of Buctuks-
n A NISI-IMO: it was agreed the. consideration of the
be'u,)stponed aorta few days.
The Earl of Waitwlcic pre,iented a petition from
a nuMber of met4hanis,manufadurerers, and others,•
of the Tow, Liirmingliatit,
_praying that I,he trade
to India may roc thrown open. !t was sigtied, his
Lirdship otberyed, by upwards of fifteen thou,and

pc-rsons..
After tie Ilea& being real by the Clerk, the Pe-
, ,
titioli was ordered
,to lie on the table.
D,ike t INHRFULE. wok the opportunity to
observe, ,hat a P. •ilion from the treit nianulaatur-
i of JhAield, would, tie believed, shortly
l:g v
:ptt(esel:ittd, on the same subjet. Froui the b:.st
intormattou he could obtain, it as s general senti-
ment Of the ma,;taladtirers and traders in those pairs
of the. cou:,try, that were the trade to India laid
Open, they could export a far greater quantiti-
nrinufactures than they 6th4Wise could. Several
Memorials, he believed, (tad been iransmi•ted to
Goveriaent on the subjeil. He understood the
Chain!r would not expire .0 nearly two years;
,but
c
it was highly proper the onsideration, of the ques-
tion of renewal, should .not be further delayed ; and
when the document he allcded to should arrive from'
Sheffield, u was hisititention; he said, to_put a ques-
Atm to Ministers as to their intentions respecting
that great bbjec-t.
BANK OF ENGLAND].
The Earl of LAUDERDALE, agreeably to his notice
Of yesterday, rose to ti ii;g forward a motion on the
above subject. it was proper he should, and his
tnotion.woOld go to shew the benefits conferred
by the public on the -Bank, and at times when the
utmost difficulty obtained as to raising suppli
What he' should move wad, fir an-account of the
average prices of Bank SlQck, Itorn the sth of. Ja-
nuary., 1797, to the sth of January last ; secondly,
for an account of the avidnds upon Bank-Stock,
distinguishing the account of each half year within
the same interval. This would shew exient of

the bbnuSes received-ty the Bank: It 'nay be,ob-
jeCted, ttiat.he, or arty other. individual,-could easily
obtain such infortnation;, he hod endlsOvOured, but
could not obtain it with s:4licjent accuracy. fiy
what he could learn,"a suto neailyseyeateen
lions had been received by. the Bank in tLat way,
ttnd in the present distressed,,stAte of, tire Country,
he knew -of no fairer triode of taxation, 'liar, the
'atilt% in that way •froul these people, a portion, of
that which they had reaped front the public die-
tresses.

. I'lie Earl of LIVERPOOL expressed his with imt to
eater any.discussion al present, of thu • .!turt7!

to which the.-Noble Lord's,. objettions led, .cts the
s'a.bject was, not before the Honse ; but, wit)) j
spi:ct to the piiticular motion, he, s'hould wish its
consideration were deteried t..) any other day, that
may be convenient to the I\lynie Loid.
The Earl of LAIJpERDALIE immediately agre•.'d to
postpone the moitioo yard Tties,lay se'ortight, when
he should also propose a sii.itlar motion wtfh respea
to the Bank of Ireland.
-Earl GREY stated ins intention, on-the same dal,
of bringing forward the incition he had given noii,e.
of b.-fore the recess, relative to the number aiid
amount of notes tendered for payment at the Bank
0.-Ehgland, within a given p;riOd, and relbsed on
the ground of their being forged. A part of this in-
form:l6(m woul.i, be believed, be readily ,!ccorded,
naineiy, as to the aggregate ',limbers and amount ;
but as to giving a pal iicular -dvpeription of the re
pecilie,numbers of each note.so reft;sed, he under-
stoolsoine objetlions were entettaitied. -
Sir S. ROMILLY, Mr. Es rconitT;and other Mem-
bers, presented some from the Com-

mons.; with the acquiescence.of that H ou!ie in their
Lordships' Amendments; aid ;..4150 some private
local Bills, which were foithwith "toad a first time.—
.

Adjourned tilt td-morrow.

ROUSE OP COMMON&
-THURSDAY. X, IL g,

Mr. GOLBUti ')rought" up certain ,apets teenert.
ing the Licet;.s Trade, which v g-re l jin the table,
A Petitiem was t:lesented froql Ecio'rird 8.. k'-ley
Portman, Esq.: against_ the Regent's Canal vvii ch
was laid ondhe table.

SEAWATER BATHS.
Mr. PETER MoottE pre•en.ed thrt,e'seteral Peti-
tioos in:lA% our of tt Hill bet Ore the Hoose, 1,4
erre!' .n ot. Sea•VVAer 13 itits in the %itinity of. 'Pie
me: t °polls.
The'first .Petition kkas fr,}rn the 'Member. of the'
Royal College ca Phpicians, s,.'t!ing forth the great
utility of these Baths, as nec ssary to the co •)fore
and convenience of the inhabitants of the crieJrupo4
lis, as being higlsty b to the health ¢t thd
inhabitants in the
.cure of rcuta,,tons and eruptiire
disorders._ '

The next Petition was from thelnhabitants of thi
City an,:t Liberties of We,tabinsfer, to the same et.
feet, a!)d the third Pe;ition was foam !he Inhabitants
of the City of London,, stating simi:ar benefits as ,
likely, to arise, if the House would permit the I3:11 to
pass into a law.
The Petitiors were laid on the table.
Mr. PETER MOORE then moved the second reads
reading of the above Bill.
AdMiraI.HARVEY opposed it, principally on, the
ground, that. soine.of the,landed properties in &sax,
either were against it, or at least remained neuter.--
He theti.,fore moved, that instead of " Now, tht:
Bill be read. the second time this day Six Months."
Ler.: HENNIKER supported-the motion.
Mr. PETER MOORE observed, that as the two
Hon. Members had objected to the progress of the
Bill in perfed gooSburnour, and not having stared
one( re.il solid objection to the Bill passing into a law,
and after the Royal College' of Physicians and the
Cities Of London and Westuiinster had coins.
ward in favour of it, •he thought the House.would
allow it,to'go into a Committee. With respeal to
ihe Bill itself, of 204,nersOns stated to be interested
in opposing its progress, 104 had-given their assent,
86 were neuter, bec,use as their names were not in
the Papers, they were not consulted; and oply 14
dissented. So that, in a line of 40 miles, which tee
Aor',,F. necessary for completing the undertaking
would occupy, there were: 7-8 tbs. of the Artiesinte-
rested in favour of it.
Aftt,r some' further observations from Admiral
Harvey, Lord Henniker; and-Mr. P:.Moore, In ex-
planation,
Mr. lionc supported the Bill, as tending to the
comfort of the metropolis, and stated, that, in the
Committee, the proposers would be prepared to
prove that 7-sthsot the County of Esset had given
(Weir consent. .
Mr. CURWEN conceived, that as the public would
derive great benefit from the creation of sea water
baths, at least he hoped the House would allow it to
go to a Committee.
, The House divided on the second reading now-,,

A yes
N ocs

Majority azainstit

17
29
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' Mr. FULLER presented a Petition from the Inn--
keepers of Sussex, cbm.plaining of the l,rievances '
under which they labour in conseqmence of the 4il-
- of soldiers upon them.
Lord PALMERSTONE did not see any good that,
could' result from the Petititm being laid on the la.
hie. He had_no objetlion however to it.
The•Ptlitioll was then hid on the Table.'
Mr. J. WARD postponed his notice of a mo-
tion 'on the Act of the 22d George the Second RI
the sth of. May. •
Lord A. HAMILTON gave notice, when the G ld
Coin Bill cane from the •Lordq, that he should prod
pose a Clause for prohibiting the Bank Company
from receiving a larger dividend•on their Stuck than
iht-y at present receive.

RICE.
Mr. LYTTLETON, not seeing the. Right Hon. Se.:
cretary, in his place, wished to ask- of any other of
his Majesty's Ministeri, whether, • what- he had
heard as a faCt, was corre6l, viz, that thete were
now several ships lying in the It,ver, having 6-cc' on
hoard, which they had licensed to export to Fr uicel-
- that was true, considering the great scarcity' of
grain in the. country, particularly in the county
which he represented, he thought it would be be-
comkg in Ministers to explain the reason those
li-
censes sere granted. If no explanation 'was given,
lie hoped. the House would see the necessity of
•
i iry.

13:!1nggiven, after a pause, . •
M;'. WHITBREAD observed, that the question of
his Hon. Friend was one ':f great importance in the
present stale of rite country, • when 'thescarci.ty-of
grain wawalarming. If the. Hon. Gentlertfen were
not prepared with answers, be hoped they would
make iilquities as, to the fad* stated,-,and if license's
had been granted, give orders to suspend -their Ope-
ration. •

The CHAN-CELLOR of the EXeIIEDUER was not
prepared to give an answer to the questiOn of the
Hon.Gdutletnan, but Most certainty licenses had
been originally glatned for the. exporialion of aril_
des, nut excluding the article of lice, there being
nothing ,n the law of the country providing for that
exclusion. Subsequently, however, he b ihß-
cotnnicuications had been tnade to the ir.!peipltice.,
that it v% ouid beexpeJicnt to omit rice in any tiLenes
which might be applied for.

MARTINIQUE' SUGARS.
Sir Jontc NEWPORT men, d, that be had giv,..11
not,ceof th,itt motion laid Session,.but owing 10 the
delay which generally took plaCe in the prinorg of
,I6:sh'pipers, he had not been able to bring it tiir.
ward at that time. He ti.en went into ‘i l ing•and a
st,,ten!ent of.a transaction which had taken
p.ice in Ireland, in the year 1810. As far. as we
could collel. "rhe substance of it,i an Indic ideal
had, at that I.,eriod, intrOnced a cargo of nroi-
oirinc sugars,. for which lie was required to pay
the foreigti, instead of the British colonial duties,
he had been led to expeti. by the Criskorn-hOuse
Officers at Martinique. On obis he presented a
Membrill to the Lard Lieutenant, stating his griev-
ances, and praying for a remedy. The sugars were
then allowed,b( v.areb)msed, and after a consi-
derable titn.± putt of those sugars were snliowed to
•be sold for the home consamption, the rest being
liable to the foreign duties. The Hon. Baront
censUref that constant inferterez,ice' the
Executive Government in Revenue Affairs, instead
of refetring them to the Treasury;.as-was uniformly

tlae-ease in this country. This interference, he male. '
tamed,. would ever prevent any proper order in the
administration of revenue in Ireland. He con-
cluded by proposing a series of Resolutions, men-
tioning 911 the teas in the case. The first 'stated—
s' That on the 31st of December, ISto, a Petition had
been presented to the Lord Lieutenant of 11,7!4nd, praying
for the admission of a cargo of Martinique -93 gars into the
Port of Dublin, which'prayer had been reyedied, but on con-
dition that foreign duties should be Raid."
On the question being put,
Mr. W. Pots said, he certainly sh9,Dld not take
tap the time of- the House by following the Right
Honourable Baronet through the details into which
he had thouelit proper to enter, particularly as the
Right Honourable Baronet had admitted that, since
the trknth of 'April last, all the steps which had
been taken in this busineia had'-met with his appro.
batiptr. With respect to the delay.which took place
last Session, it arose from the. unfortunate illness of
the Right Honourable Baronet himself; and not
because the Papers were not produced. The simple
fags of the case were, that the person alluded to by
the-Right Honourable Baronet had imported a large
quantity of Martinique Sugar into Ireland, under the
idea that he should only be charged the British co-
lonial duties, not the foreign duties, and upon finding
that he had been misinformed with respeCt to the •
jaw upon the subject, he bad applied to. the Execu-
tive Power for redress. The Right Hon. Baronet
bad contended, that the Lord Lieutenant, by means
of his Secretary 'or Under Secretary, ought not to
have interfered, but that the interference with the_
Revenue Board, if it - was necessary,- should have
been by the Treasury. This was the first time he.
bad • ever heard it stated, " that if a person
,applied
- to the Executive Government, praying for relief,
that the application ought not to be attended to.-
He agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet, that
when the interference did take pla"ce, it would
have been better if notice had been given to the
Treasury, because, in all cases of this kind, he was
of opinion that the Treasury ought to be consulted,
-or te have notice given to it of the transaction.
With respe& to the present case, he was at a loss to
conceive what it was that theßr.Hon.Bart. complained
of : the revenue had sustained no loss, for he
liim-
self admitted that every farthing of the duties bad
been paid. When the individual first applied to the
Irish Government, the opinion, of the Attorney-
General was
,taken upon it, add upon that opinion
thesugars were allowed'to be landed. It was true
that a part of these sugars were allowed to be taken
out of the stores, and seld for home consumption,
paving the smaller duties, and he would state the
reason of it. When thisperson imported this large
quantity of Martinique sugars' into Ireland, he bad
entered into several engagements which he meant to
liquidate with the produce of these sugars, and in
consequence of an application from him, he was
allowed to sell a part of the sugars; but enough was
received in the Kings stores to cover the whole of the
foreign duties, not.only upon what was sold, bet
epou what was retained in the stores. If this per-
mission had not been granted, the man must have
become a bankrupt, and it appeared very hard to
place a man in that situation, when he had property
to so large amount in the Kings warehouses. Upon
the whole, he was at a loss to conceive what was
tOe complaint
,which the Right Hon. Baronet in-
tended to make against the Government of Ireland.
The case of this individual had been examined with
the greatest tare-and attention, and it was not pre-
tended that the revenue had sustained the slightest
losi. Under these circumstances, he should certain-
ly oppose the motion.. •'
Mr. PARNELL and Mr. HERBERT made a few
obserVatiOn,S. .
The CHANCELLOR of- the EXCHEQUER, on the
ground that the Resolutions contained no allega-
tion- whatever; even of-censure, moved the pievious

quest ion.
AilCr a_sliOrt reply from -Sir J. 1 .EWPORT, and a
few words in explangtion from Mr. POLE, and the
CLINNCELLOR Of the EXCHEQUER, the House di-
vided— _ _ - ,

For the original motion,
}or the previofis questton,
Majority,. /

-25

;'RESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF CONTROUL.
On our return to the gallery, we fdund Mr.
CREEVEY in the midst of a variety of observations
on the places and pensions enjoyed by the late and
by the present-President of the Board of Controul,.
which he concluled by moving, " That there be
laid before the House Copies of the Warrants under
najevy's Sign Manual, dire Ling the amount of
the salaries to Lord Melville, late President of the
Enard of Controul, and to the Earl of Buckingham-
shire, .now PreSident of the'Board. of Controul, ac-
cording to the provisions of the 51st of the King,
chap. 79.:'
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER cli.l not
object to the motion, Irat replied to a number of the
setnarks mni!e by the Honourable Gentleman, in the
Arotirsu of wit;ch be' observed that the Earl of Buck-
inghamshire had' signifaLd to the East India Com-
pany his wish, that during the time that he might
lin;tl the orrice of President of the Board of COQ-
the payinent of the pension granted to him by
4he C..inpany fur his former services in India should
be suspended.
Mr. WHITEREAD was desirous of
,knowing whe-
ther it was true (as he understood it lo be) that the
pension of the Noble Earl from the Company was
co-existent,with their Charter ? If so, it certainly
was highly improper to place the person so situated
In such an office at a period when the renewal of,
that CiKirter was about to become a subject of serious
consideration.
The cHANtiIELOR of the EXCHEQUER said that he
'realty dii not know how the fait was, but however
it might be, he did not see why the consequence of
the former services of the---Noble Earl in India;
wight to preclude Government from availing thetn-
oulves of. his services at home. ,
After some mutual explanations from Mr. Whit-
bread and the. Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr.
Cretvey's Motion was agreed to. .