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ticularly:to Heligoland, at which place no market
big found for them, they were actually returned,
thus . frui.les4y swelling the list of exports and
imports, and s,eld by awtion for h.df the ortgi,al
price at which they !tad been purchased from the
manufacturers, Ti.is was tar front that legitimate
prosperity of commerce which resulted from actual
consumpt _ _

Lord Ross opposed the motion, as one of those
humiliating propesi,ions to winch he cou'd never
consent. At one time their Lor,!ships were called
upon by the Noble Lords oprosile to prastratp the

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,Constltution at-the tett of the Catholic Convention;
at another, to pipstiate the ruarit:me rights. of the
.c.onntry at the feet of America; at another, to
prqitcate the cause of the Peninsula at the f. et of
Buon:TA-tt..; and now, to revoke the &Jets in
Counc I, wliar the decree.s of the. en-my, ny which

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they were called (or, ren:ai-ned in tull force. II was
impossible to deny that the cothinerce of the coon-
try lidd sustained some depression
.; bin as reasona-
bly might it be exvcted to fight a bailie wilioat
having any me?) slain, as to c,irry on a war viiihout
occasioning some injury to commerce. To destroy
our commerce appeared to be the fixed de:ermina-
tiori of Buormparte, arid as fixed ought to be our de-
termination to counteract him. Buonaparte bad
declared. to his maritime towns, that England must

be humbled at any expense. To at cedeto the mo-
tion of the Noble- Lord would indeed be going a
great way toward. htimbling To accede to
the motion of the Noble Lord would be still more
to depress the Manufactures of Great Britain, and
to give to the inanufautures of France, 'by the re-
peal of the British Orders in Council, that stitnui,is
which the exchange of colonial produce (illiough
the mediUm of America) for the manufactures •of
France must inevitably occasion.
• Lord SIDNIOUTH waslanitious to take his full'
share of the responsibiky c'if. 'the Order in Council
of. 1807, which was moddled on that' of 1758, and
founded on the principle that neutrals ought not to
be permitted to carry on that trade during war
which they would not be. permitted to carry on chit--
ing peace. He certainly objefied to the older of the
7th November, 1808, because it iwerdicied neutral'
trade except on the degrading condition that neutral
tiessels should in the first instance touch at British
pOrts, and be there subject o a duty of the nature of
a contribution. This regulation appeared to him
unwise and impolitic. Happily the evils attend-
ant upon it were done away by the Order in
Council of April; 1809, which substituted block-
ad-. Legitimate, however, as he thought the
system of blockade, he confessed that he could
never attach to it so much importance as had
been supposed to belong to it both in and out of
Pirliament. In his opinion the system of blockade
ould proceed much more successfully were the Sys-
tem to trade by licenses abandoned. There were great
abuses in that latter system. Undoubtedly it was
expedient to obtain articles of the first necessity,
such as grain and natal stores; but generally speak-
ing, the license system was injurious, and in no way

more so than in the offence'w-hich it gave to morals.
Besides, it was adverse to, and completely incon-
sistent with, the principles on which the Orders
Were founded, namely, to it.tlict privation on the
enemy. There was one consideration which had
great weight in inducing him to vote-against the pro-
position of the Noble Lord. He would not assert

the general doctrine, that there should be no Parlia-
mentary interference whiles negociation was pending
With another Power; but under the circumstances
of the pending negociations with America, be was
decidedly hostile to any Parliamentary interference.
To accede to the motion of the Noble Lord, would
be to.recommend to the Crown to repeal those Or-
ders in Council which were the adual subjeal oldie
disputes between the two cquntries. 'He, for one,
would not be a party, under the existing circum-
stances; for the transfer of that discretion which
ought to belong to the Executive Government to
either of the other branches of the Legislature. No
one attached more importance than he did to the
maintonance of a good understanding between Great
Britain and America ; but he should deeply regret
if Patiiament were rashly to recommend those con-
cessions to Ametica which the ExecutiveGoverment
had, for such a length of time, thought it w ise to re-
sist. Fort hese reasons he dissented from the motion.

..,The Marquis of LANSDOWNE made.an animated
reply to the various arguments of the Noble Lords
who had opposed his motion. He particularly ad-
verted to the observations of the Noble Viscount
who had just sat down, and expressed his astonish-
ment, that after the Noble Viscount had allowed
that the blockading Order in Council and the sys-
tcm of Trade Licenses were opposite in principle,
he should proceed to declare that he would not vote
for the motion, the pui port of which was, not to
repeal the Orders in Council, but to inquire into the
effects which had been produced by deem. '

Lord FITZWILLIAM felt it to be his duty to state
to the House, that there were petitions preparing
by the Nianufa6turers of Yorkshire, complaining of
the severe distresses under which they laboured, at-
tiibuting those distresses in a great measure to the
pernicious operation of the Orders in Council, and
praying that Parliament would address his Royal
Highness the Prince Regent, to cause those orders
to be repealed. He could assure their Lordships that
the distresses-of the manufaauring districts of York-
shire, and particularly the clothing distrkas, were
'extreme. What had happened in Nottingham was
but too well known, and it ought not to excite sur-
prise if similar disturbances were •to take place in
Yorkshire.

Lord GRENVIL-LE did not rise to add a single word
to the arguments which had been so ably urged in
support of the motion, but merely to say, that what-
ever might be the decision of their Lordships upon
the present question, he was persuaded that when
the petitions which his Noble Friend stated to he in
preparation were laid on their table, nut a man
would be found to oppose a deliberate inquity into
the nature and effect of those measures in which the
evils so justly cotnplained of by the petitioners,were
by them said to originate.
The House then divided—
For the Motion 34
Proxies 37-71
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Against it- s . 66
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Proxies . . 69
j 35
Majority 64
Adjourned at Half-past Twelseo'Clock.