The Sun.
London, England, 1840-08-08 00:00:00

LOAN SOCIETIES.

Mr. HAWES observed that the Loan Societies
Bill had come down from the Lord with
certain amendments. A clause had been in-
serted by the Lords preventing the holding of meet-
ings of these Societies in public-houses. The Hon.
Member for Finsbury intended to oppose that clause,
and it would be desirable to know when would be the
proper time to discuss it.
The SPEAKER said the regular way would be to
move that the amendments be printed, and taken into
consideration tomorrow or Monday.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE adopted this suggestion, and
moved that they be taken into consideration on Monday.
On the motion of Mr. LABOUCHERE, the Lords'
amendments to the Commerce and Navigation Bill
were agreed to.
On the motion of Lord MORPETH, the Lords'
amendments to the Church Temporalities (Ireland)
Bill were agreed to.

Lord MORPETH moved that the Lords' amend-
ments to the Irish Population Bill be agreed to.
Mr. PIGOT moved that the Lords' amendments
to the Joint Stock Banks Bill be printed, and taken
into consideraton on Monday.—Agreed to.
PENINSULAR AND ORIENTAL STEAM.
PACKET COMPANY.
Mr. OSWALD, seeing the Right Hon. the Pre-
sident of the Board of Trade in his place, begged to
ask whether it was the intention of the Board of
Trade to recommend her Majesty to grant letters pa-
tent, with the privilege of limited liability for debts to
the Peninsular and Oriental Steam Packet Company,
or to any
company of a similar description.
i‘lr.LoAtheßor
utradng
cHiER
said that the question was
one to which his Hon. Friend must see he could not
give a definite answer ; all he could say was, that the
Board of Trade would adhere strictly to the Minute
which they had issued on the subject, Whether the
operations of this Company
were of such a nature as
not to be conducted by private individuals was one to
which the Board of Trade would apply their most at-
tentive consideration, and decide accordingly.
LIGHT DUES AND PILOTAGE.
Mr. W. ATT WOOD said that the shipowners
had long complained of the excessive dues they had
been called upon to pay for lights and pilotage. The
subject had been, in 1834, under the consideration of a
Committee of that House composed almost wholly of
members well acquainted with the shipping interests. He
hoped that the House would..think it a matter worthy
of their serious consideration. The petitions which he
had laid before the House fully detailed the grievances
complained of. He believed the President of
the Board of Trade was giving his anxious considera-
tion to the subject, and he trusted that during the re-
cess he would mature some measure to lay before Par-
liament. He would move for returns of amounts of
tolls or duties for lighthouses, paid respectively by
steam ships and sailing vessels from 1830 to 1840, to
the Corporation of the Trinity House, the Commis-
sioners of Northern Lighthouses, and the Corporation
of the Port of Dublin.'

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Mr. AARON CHAPMAN (who was at times
almost inaudible) said that he had been a member of a I
Commission which had been appointed to investigate
surprised
dhictho
that subject, which had made a Report, which
have been carried into effect, buteaunwpooansno:
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of the crew depended upon the efficiency of the light
service, and in no country in the world could it be
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better conducted than in this country,
Mr. LABOUCHERE could assure the Hon. ,
Gentleman who had brought forward the subject, and
also the Hon. Member for Whitby, that during the re-
cess he should turn his attention to the subject.
As far, however, as the lighting of the Trinity House
was carried, he thought it had been conducted with
economy and in a proper manner. With respect to
the pilotage laws he could . assure the Honourable Gen-
tleman that the reason why he had not proposed
of
for the purpose putting the
any measuresys-
ten on a better foundation had not been from any
opinion in favour of the system, but after what had
taken place, when his predecessors introduced a
measure on the subject, to the opposition it received •
from local parties ; he conceived that until he had reason
to anticipate that that opposition would be removed, or
the support
given to it by the mercantile interest was
more cordial, it would be wasting the time of the House
to ask them to entertain any such measure. During
the recess he should consider it to be his duty to obtain
all information he could uponthe subject, and if he found
that he could introduce a measure founded upon the
same principles as that introduced by Mr.
Poulett
Thomson, he should be ready and anxious to
do so. He could introduce a measure founded upon
no other basis, because unless some system was adopted
with respect to pilotage, Which would equalize
the rate, it would fall short of any good effect.
In any alteration that took place the steam-boat in-
-1 terest must be regarded. It was quite clear that if
i the old rules and rates of pilotage were levied on
steam-boats, that. interest would peculiarly suffer
,in consequenco of their speedy transit from
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