The Sun.
London, England, 1841-01-27 00:00:00

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Ifer 'OW openly manifested on both s.
-leet •• •• • • of temporary interesta, wa, vier.
~ any sac., mac,
ere successes which her arena or negotiatio.•.s could
-11 re fer h. in a • unhappily in that she had
ke herslay other way. ,
tf c`eded. He had no co:lade:nee that the present star.
taa,
der v.
!gt, Unsatisfactory .it was, would be of very
:444. The alionation which had for a Long tine se
04ted France from Russia, and which was partly,rott
'1,41 nature, might be removed. The public ~.p _ whirl
hirtgistelyposse,sed the ambitious Court of St. l'.
• ant and induced that Power to exert itself in maintain
tleoe the iategrit; of the Turkish empire,. might be esta_c ee
vial' to older and more; steady feelings, to thi
elgenceeofwhich there we. not now the
the
it English and French alliance before presented. Ba
4,,41 said that England had been induced to adopt the re-
utPoliey in the Levant, to prevent France from seizinp
e.P°4 EgYlatupon which she had an eye for the last halt
aatur - ' . was creeping along the coast
at 4', and to which she _
thatill'• But whether was France most likely to pursue
6 object, in alliance with England ?—or when s.)epa\rvatiLa,
to England and thrown into the arms of Russia
11144'4' had they that those two Powers, influenced b)
Ptatentieittr would not conic together and accomplishb those
Vilet, much more after they had ceased. to
his
ally
p• France? To the talents and ability of s
.N.obre
bleed hi the other House, displayed in these n e gotiat,ons,
e
la h. as ready as any one to do ample justice ; though
Popery (Lord Brougham) who had had experience of the
of his Noble Friend in business, •
set tithe departments in which he couldinbenee6alled opt), n to
tratl;ete was only admiration of his address anro.dv,h!litsy.states_
But
,_4Kti powers—there was no surprise,
1,4'7 ld give him every'ion of this
tlisr4;.t? which it was
:tree no
oixme execs'
admitting
the '4lB adversary the French Minister was completely in
0411143 y, it was beside the questihon ;p he might be cern-
oliey ogf his Noble
Feely in the wrong,
!iligbt be as entiraenldy yerotntg etoo. It did not at all
that the country of the our had not a right to corn-
itZef that policy, because the country of the other might
tef grestt and good cause to complain against Ministers.
km!'h be closed his observations he
might bepermitted to
ile one remark. In God's name do not let it_
forbe uric
sup-
that the people on this side the water had
et§rt felt indifferent to the evils, which had been threat-
aYrOf a w,ar with France, or to thelgreat blessings of
be said that
i'lhtaining peace with that nation.
4efihed been no demonstration to thatt might
but this lie
idea—
ileum= for. They never believed it possible—thy
144 114.8 a Practical notion, had never entered their imagi.
hr* If they had been once told that they were on the
p4i a, War with France he believed nearly the whole
..„he know
was confident the great majority of the p.2eple
th° O"
for certainantdhatthaen overwhelming majority of
Working classes middle classes, and all the
aufai party, as they were called, of this nation, without
eXception would have risen up as one man, and
kid
Chili to the a.trovernment, toe pea.ce with France
Th not be broken, come what will.—(Hear, hear.)
~,. en. likewise, another reason. why ano demon-
reason why
-nation had been made was this—it was
other demonstrations wore Lora suppressed
.The Noble
•.2 opposite were not at the head of affairs , the friends
m,"' Peace, the patrons of the French alliance, the leaders
r the Liberal party were. The natural allies of that al-
J'llll e he might call them so, the friends of pacific po..
11,e)'titel enemies of a rupture with France unless reduced
git by absolute necessity, ware prevented front making
4
' demonstration which they thought might be injurious
t,..ethe came of their friends and leaders in the Government.
there was another reason which operated, and perhaps
et.reore justifiable one, in his op 1 inioi a reason which did
Ateent the greatest possible credit—it was, that a public
'er▪ :onstraalon might possibly be productive of the most
Zh.gerous consequences. When they saw the bad spirit
,4111 pre sailed tie other side of the Channel, the
Ana arid the means which were so °
leunscrupulous!):
af
~- yaa, to foment it, and to produce the worst possible
feeling oaf national animosity, and the most deter-
mined
opposition to the continuance of peace, these
.triecasoos had operated necessarily to prevent
,a pub_
demon ,stration. This was not mere speculation,
he "e knew it to be the fact that they had been used.. I
thoughtof ti at as they were ignorant of the precise nature
--e negotiations which were in progress, and that. were
thel.svros 'd once drawn, no man could tell how long it. would
e befor,% it returned to the scabbard, it would be impru-
dent to ;risk injuring the cause of peace by making a de-
monstration which all their feelings, all their wishes, would
otherwise
in itehave led them to make. Let not his Noble
the Government, then, suppose tnat this feel-
ittig did net exist, that this opinion did not prevail, and
r\-itke cP a firm and deep hold upon the minds of the people.
not them imagine that if peace ;had been broken,
latr,,ll4d e'en been put in real peril of proximate rupture,
se w cold not have been such a sensation all over
cet eery, such an unanimous feeling of repro-
.among those who were the friends of peace
ion; alliance with France, as would have made it im-
anble that that policy should have been pt rsisted in.
i.st undue means had been taken for bad purposes by mi-
llet opulent; men in France to take advantage of the popu-
al" excitement there, and propagate an unfriendly feeling
!ga.;nst the alliance of that country. He hoped and
Rust ed that these men were few, that the proselytes were
1114 uuraerous, and they would fail, as they well deserved.
lelttn tented the proceedings, both in the circumstances
tell :3 auner in which the aliance, which had occasioned
tneeurlx.tlture with France, had been carried on. He la-
the :ea‘ the mariner in which it had been executed, and
E °f courtesy that bad been shown towards France.
Even lhat illostriO•us man, upon whom his Noble Friend
.11,th:1)14:211ot lusizeocto,netdathbee,Address had pronounced a panegyric
with all his dispositions in favour
dial with that country, had complained of the
Fr-3,1111°1 wilt which France had been treated. Ia
tie,Caey had a nation exhibiting the greatest qua,i-
kikiitt people known to possess the greatest genius, the
tei:.ei"courage, and the utmost military skill and charac-
ile, combined with these feelings, they might see
andi4 it'll' '62 •oUs of honour ; sudden._ and quick in quarrel,"
oft h at" People having their destinies committed to a man
people
ext: Veatest power and genius.
Intend Le ly prone to take offence atl whehyat wmeieghat pbe
b"" Id to he offensive, and it should make those dealing
Tt; 1 scrupulously, nay, exaggeratedly particular.
goer !pose for one moment that any man in that country
ea e ` dervalned the military renown of France—that they
ttie.„;' ght lightly or spoke lightly of it—to suppose tha
441,11 nrious Duke, or any of his gallant comrades who
tyerol tied with them in many a hard fought field, had
• raipa'l3 nke therwise than highly of their gallantry and
th 11'1 achioevements, would be one of the most monstrous
ni,`eSi tions that ever crossed the imagination of any
lir— He (Lord Brougham) had heard the subject
thoaeln :d in every sort of society—by those who had
by t more and had thought less in favour of riperFrn-
-4414: IC who retained some of the vulgar national iju-
ati-b% ,Pf that side of the water ; but he hadi never heard
Pr ilisnaracing sentiments expressed with respect to
ellehgallatli'ry, skill, and renown in any
L would be
one society.
:See never iuld be humbled, and none
ad ready ft:inn the Noble Duke himself to
t that she must always be a great leading and princi-
ta" Power; and, had it been proposed in 1814 and 1815
neroach the fraeion of an acre upon the integrity of
Ale rench empire, at ustrius commander, and no I.e iss
strFiousi negotiator andill statesomen, would have been s
tto have resisted it. No one had ever dreamt of
e tabling France. The truth was, her humiliation could
" 13' arise from the unrestrained im!ulgence of those pas-
ato ris which agitated, as durin ?; the first Revolution, a
Ant tof her population. He hoped, however, the designs
of such men would be frustrated. He felt a cosifidei.ce
at Vie high spirit and manly feeling of the French Govern-
teek.--in their consciousness of their own power—in their
e,erta.;nty that they must ever command respect—in their
+harleosness that any one could treat them with disrespect ;
ands tt u3ting that those feelings might be universal among
the French people, and that their amicable relations to.
tietds t, is country might be revi%ed, he would conclude
Y ex' tresaing a fervent hope that all that had been done, li
ttlilla eh as he deplored it, would not endanger the peace of
e two countries, and the tranquillity of Europe.
Lordl MELBOURNE said that before that debate had
w 1
gun certainly did anticipate, and he still hoped,
V" what had fallen from the Noble Lord, that their
Jurdshios would come to a unanimous vote on that ocea-
en. But he could not anticipate that, considering the
great events which had lately taken place in the East, and
the nature of the policy on which they were founded,
that those events and that policy would be passed over by
that House in silence. He was not surprised, therefore,
(ti. What had fallen from his Noble and Learned Friend
I,`"derd Brougham) in the speech which they had jus
,7°arti---a speech se able and onuent' Kati in the generalßut
he of which he (Lard MAbourne) agreed. .
the
Was sorry that he could not at the same time concur inf.
Ie application made by his Noble and Learned Friend o
those principles. His Noble and Learned Friend had
stated, and with truth, that the Address did not pledge
the House to an approval of any of the measures to which
it referred. He would say that the Address had been
framed with singular care and caution on that head. Mi.
131nuartseureldw wereas certainly aware that the policy they had
bold and decisive ; but he trusted when the
documents relating to it came under their Lordships'
consideration they would be found to justify that policy.
fHeeelitnhgosuogf ht too, that it was not calculated to wound the
the most sensitive nation. On that subject he
would beg leave to observe that it was not sufficient for a
People to say that their temper was easily ruffled, in order
to compel other nations to violate their general course of
Po. liey in their regard. An ill-tempered member of a fa-
mily could say tt
!lty ill humour. Take care, and do not tamper with
"—( A laugh.) That would not justify
hind in interfering with the rights of others. It was asked
I'll were they so anxious in July last to deprive the
Pacha of Syria, when they were willing to give him Egypt'
414 Syria in 1847. It was not necessary for h Tat i inquire
whether the policy pursued 'in 1837 was wise or not.
There existed at that time motives and feelings which did
tat exist at present. There were views respecting G Tece
thwhich rendered the Allied Governments anxious to settle
e affairs of Turkey ; and it was with the object of avoid-
Mg the ulterior measures to which they had been since
compelled to have recourse, that the most favourable offers
were made to the Pacha. It was clear from papers that had
already been laid on their Lordships' table—from the dis-
Patches of Colonel Campbell in 1838, that the Pacha me-
"litated his entire independence, and designed to consti-
'tate himself a separate and independent Pawer in the
~by Nediteri-anean. His hostility to the Sultan showed itself
his seizure of the fleet, and his refusal to restore it,
Perfectiv clear that he was determined to encroach
tf•l the Turkish' empire, and to constitute himself the sole
or greatest Mahomotan Power in that part of the world.
It therefore become necessary that the other PoNers
should oppose themselves and take decisive measures to
cotrzteract his designs.—( Hear, hear.) He could only
lay that they delayed those measures fur a great length
of time; the only charge which could be made against
i_theol was that of delay and procrastination. They might
"ie asked why had they not done all this before, when
there was less opposition and difficulty ? His answer was
Milt they were solicitous to obtain the concurrence of the
Five Powers. They had no other object but to act together
for the pacification of affairs in the Levant, and the mainte
ets of the Turkish empire. They had been disappointed
4uthorto, but lit did not give up the hope that they should

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