The Sun.
London, England, 1840-01-04 00:00:00

SOUTH AMERICA.

REPORTED RECAPTURE OF METAMORAS.— The
Texian schooner of war, San Antonio, arrived at New
Orleans, on the 20th, in ten days, from Galveston, re-
ports that Metamoras has been taken by the united
Federal and Texian troops, under General Canales,
and Colonels Ross and Karnes. Accounts from Ha-
vanoah, indeed, give the official Mexican report of an
attack made Sept. 24, on the town of Guenero (Rio del
Norte), by 400 Federal troops, under Zapata. The
Cemmander says be repulsed them, but adds that the
Federalists would soon be 1,000 strong, and with their
artillery would probably carry all before them.
BATTLE NEAR MONTE VlDEO.—Letters from Monte
Video of October 4, confirm the approach of the in-
vading army to Monte Video. On that day a battle
was going on between 4,000 Monte Videans, under
General Frutes Rivera and 6,000 Entre Rians, under
the command of General Echague. The whole town
w under arms, and the city in great confusion, the
Goverment authorities being much alarmed on account
of the uncertainty of the battle. The French were
about to land mere troops.
Business was entirely suspended, and the Custom
friouse closed. Many vessels were leaving without cargo.
The Rtkola of the provinces or Governments seem to bo
in a state a. revolution. The French vessels in port
were the Minerva,the Sappho, 14 guns ; the
Cawilla anj It
corvpttep ; the Dapas and the
Albert brigs witii a large number of gun-boats and
°ther small craft ; they had landed from 490 to 600
men to tts;** in the 4afence of the town and protect
French propertj'. The Arit;sl) frigate Actaeon, an
American sloop, anti two 4raTili4p Anwttes were also
in port,
- AN.

SCOTTISH 110.-SPITAL.—ScoTTI6I-1 POOR RI
THE METROPOLISA,,A General Court of this Corpo,
ration was held on Wednesday at the Society's Hail,
Crane-court, Fleet street, Dr. Webster in the Chair.
Regret having been frequently expressed by the Go-
vernors' and medical officers that the Committee were
not authorised to supply medicines to the Scottish pour
who might staad in need of them, the sabiect was re,
(erred to a Sub-Comufttec at the General Court htl,d
00,t.he 2d of October last. Their Report was read by
the (IgretarY• It stated their opluign jhat the best
mode of suPt/iYiPg medicines to the potty wlonrl the
ctuwtoiounldtl:employ
4,1
Committee of Reliler And Management might in tuturp
Lo ,7-.W.horise the medical officers
phemists and drut,-
Grgetest°l:lle:ltenhn:etly might approve, and that A:1,4 chemists and'
d quarterly render their account.account.thrupt:b
the medium 6h°li
iurnofjlhe medical officer by whom they Ker.e
employed. After some discussion, the recommendation
(if ti„•/$ Committee Was carried by g considerable majo•
rity. after the usual routine of busiue” ad been
genethrough,
tbm4§ were voted to the Charm
444
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the Court broke up.

MONEY MARKET and CITY NEWS.

(FRIDAY EVENING.)

TlMES,—Under the notion that some relaxation is
to be looked for in the pressure for money, an eager de-
sire has been shown to-day to anticipate the time, and
to rush into new speculations. All those, therefore,
which may be denominated the worthless part of
stocks and shares have been more in demand, nor has
this tendency, in appearance, been at all checked by
the total silence of the Board of Bank Directors, at
their meeting of yesterday, as to any intention on
their part of reducing the rate of interest. They feel
probably that, seeing the feverish state of the Money
Market, this would only add new excitement to it,
without creating for them any additional business.
That the consideration of this question was brought be-
fore them yesterday is generally reported, and that a
great majority of the Directors were of the opinion that
matters should be left as they now are for some fur-
ther time at least. With the prospect before them of
the large unavoidable increase, almost immediately, of
the circulation, by the payment of the dividends, for
which they will be called upon as usual to make the ad-
vances on deficiency bills, with other large additions to
the circulation, through payments from the East India
Company and others, they have every argument which a
body in whom is vested so responsible a trust can have
for extreme caution, The speculators, even those who
feel that this is the proper course to be taken by the
Bank, and believe that they will adhere to it, are under
little restraint, since they imagine that the effort mak-
ing at Liverpool to extend the circulation will render
nugatory, at least for a time, the restraining power of
the Bank.

By the advices from Hamburg of the 27th ult., the
price of gold is 430 per mark, which, at the English
Mint price of 31. 17s.10id, per ounce for standard gold,
gives an exchange of 13. 7i, and the exchange at
Hamburgi on London at short being 13. si, it follows
that gold is 0.82 per cent, dearer aL Hamburg than in
London.

The premium on gold at Paris is 8i per mile, which,
at the English Mint price of 3/. I7s. 10fd. the ounce for
standard gold, gives an exchange of 25.36}, and the ex-
change at Paris on London at short being 25. 30, it
follows that gold is 0.26 per cent. dearer at Paris than
in London.
It will be seen that the Commercial Bank of Lon-
don, which has been several months in preparation, is
to commence business in the middle of this month. In
general these undertakings are only put forward in
periods of prosperity, and great abundance of money,
but here the case is reversed, and, whatever its fate
may be, it can encounter no worse storms than those
which preceded its introduction. Besides the Com-
mercial Bank, two others are said to be in preparation,
but no names have been given, nor is anything precisely
known respecting them. Another undertaking, not an-
swering exactly to the description of a bank, which has
been for some time in preparation, viz., "The Country
Bank Agency," is said to he nearly at maturity. These
incidents are unimportant in themselves, and only to be
noticed as the indications or anticipations, among others
adverted to lately, of an approaching favourable change
in the Money-market.

POST.—The Foreign Funds generally were heavy.
and, but for some little comparative briskness in the
Share Market, it is probable that prices might have
been altogether less favourable than yesterday. Por-
tuguese 34-1, to f ; and Active Spanish, with the over-
due dividend coupons, 24k to g. The last-named funds
look rather better on paper, but there is no possibility
of putting off any quantity of them worth naming.
Parties who have a due regard for their reputation stu-
diously avoid having any dealings in so vile a bubble.
The Morning Chronicle is strangely at variance with
itself on Spanish financial affairs, and what the Madrid
correspondent will have to say to the writer of the
London City article we are at a loss to conjecture,
seeing that the account given by the latter of
the recent arrangements of the Queen's Govern-
ment is calculated to throw so much discredit
on that of the former. There is probably a motive
here for making all look straightforward and pleasant
that does not seem to exist in the Spanish capital.
We must say, at all events, that the statement of the
City Correspondent of the Morning Chronicle has an
ex- remely questionable appearance. Of the joint-con-
tractors with M. Ardouin for the ruinous loan of 1834,
he observes—" As regards Messrs. Ricardo and Co..
we doubt their ever having held any stock unless con-
jointly with Messrs. Ardouin ; but we have good reason
to believe that any stock which they may have so held
had been pledged by the Spanish Government to
certain parties, and that it has long since been dis-
posed of. The most rational account that can be
given of the affair is, that from the long known im-
poverished condition of the Spanish Government,
any control over the disposal of such an enormous
amount as that stated in the Madrid letter would
have been brought out long ere this, and no specie
would have been suffered to remain idle in the hands of
any
,party." Messrs. Ricardo and Co., if they have
Spanish bonds not their own property, must no doubt
have them in connection with some body, and with
whom so naturally as with their partners in the negotia-
tion of the lamentable loan of 1834 ? Our Contem-
porary says his own belief is, "that it will turn out
that the whole affair originated in some financial ar-
rangments contemplated by the Spanish Government
with reference to the accounts between that Govern-
ment and Messrs. Ardouin and Co., of Paris, which
remain unadjusted, and with respect to which some ap-
plications might have been rendered necessary."
Our readers will see at once that in all this there is
nothing conclusive—nothing that can exonerate the
Spanish Executive from the heavy imputation that has
been cast upon them by the Paris Commerce and the
Madrid Correspondent of the Morning Chronicle itself,
and but little to absolve individuals here and at Paris
from the suspicion of being engaged with them in
some dark transaction or other similar to that in which
the Finance Minister of the day, M. Mendizabal, was
the principal actor. England was at that period plun-
dered of the sum we have named—perhaps consider-
ably more—and knew nothing of the matter until the
plunderer-in-chief himself confessed his delinquency,
and it acquired notoriety through the exertions of the
Morning Post.

CHRONICLE.—The English Funds not only
maintain the advance of yesterday, but may be quoted
somewhat better, although no extensive operations have
taken place. This steady advance may, therefore, be
attributed to a general feeling that an amelioration in
monetary affairs is not far distant. Exchequer bills have
again advanced Is.

HE RALD.—A letter from Batavia, of the 27th of
September, mentions, that the Bank had not resumed
its specie payments, though supplies had been received,
and more were expected from Holland. It was ex-
pected that these remittances would have enabled the
Bank to redeem its paper without any immediate fear of
a second drain. It would also appear that a project
had been on foot, having for its object periodical sales of
produce in Batavia, as the cheapest means of obtaining
specie and any other funds, and that the Local Govern-
ment only waited for the sanction of the Hague to make
the experiment.

SUN.—The Foreign Exchanges were flat again this
afternoon, at the following, which were the closing
rates :—Paris, 251. 60c. to 25f. 621 c. ; Hamburg,
13 81 ; Amsterdam, 12 31 ; and Antwerp, 12 3.
The Colonial Markets have been firm to-day. There
are appearances in the City of a considerable increase
of business.

The Funds look buoyant also. Consols for the Ac-
count, after reaching 921, receded to 92i, at which the
Market left off. For the month of February the price
was 921 I, at the end of the day. The demand for
Exchequer Bills has been good throughout the day, al-
though the premium of 3s. was not sustained up to the
end of the day. India Bonds have not risen above 3s.
discount. Bank Stock left off heavily, at 1771 ; and
India Stock for the Account, at 9.55.
As from the contradiction of Messrs. Glynn, the
celebrated London bankers, and M. Ardoin, the rich
capitalist of Paris, to the report of certain Spanish secu-
rities having been demanded from them by the Govern-
ment of Madrid, has caused some doubt as the truth of
the statements in circulation for some days past, the
Active Stock has rallied again from 231 to 24i ;
Colombian Bonds rose this afternoon to NI 1 ; and
Mexican to 29 ; Portuguese New Five per Cents. ad-
vanced to 34i j.
An extensive business was done in the Railway
Shares. The Great Western rose to 3 discount ; the
Birmingham to 561 prem. ; the Brighton to 14 dis-
count ; and the Blackwell to 1 discount. In conse-
quence of the favourable report of the Directors of the
Colonial Bank, the shares of that institution have risen
to 8 and 71 premium.

The Earl of Camperdown has joined the
Countess and Lady Elizabeth Duncan at Bath, from
Bowood Park, Wilts, where his Lordship has been on
eloit, to the Marquis and Marchioness of Lansdowne.
p„" sanguine expectation among Re-
form," that Mipigefs, on the assembling of Parliament,
will t4lte that 401 d? YigOvoos, and judicious course
which is et once calculated to reanimate the chilled
affections of the people, and to advance the hest inte-
rests of the country. They need net hesitate as to the
ghatieter of the measures they ought to countenance
and introduce f. the more unpalatable they are to the
must be their intrinsic excellence,
'Furies, ett, e thmeergereacceptable
they are sure to be to the
rat
n e-.7"eg
and reasonable portion of the community.
reasoning therefore,. let it be with
tflifpf44,7i7;4 I:e,i.tauiny4ot, comp.-
of Reform—with
- they over
the latter, Use, IFI4ePt? Ni 4 iiPpiiicable, as
arc, thtre must he no exchangitl of compliments or
courtesies—no adaptation of measures to suit their
standard. A well-organised Ministry, suppOrted by the
co4dence of an enlightened and liberal Sovereign, and
having at its call the ready aid of millions, to assist
them in a patriotic course of action, need not fear the
factious resistance of a corrupt oligarchy. Let them
show that they despise 4.-11411 Observer.

MO N MOUTH SPECIAL

CO NIMISSION.

CONCLUSION OF THE INVESTIGATION ON
THLTRSDAY.

MONMOUTH, THURSDAY JAN. 2.
AfTr our last express loft the following examinations
were gone into :

Captain Basil Gray called, and examined by the Attor-
ney-General—Witness is now a Captain in the Queen's
army. On the 4th of November last was a Lieutenant in
the 45th Regiment. The company witness belonged to
was stationed at Newport, at the Union poor-house. There
W 23 at that time no other military force in Newport but
his own company, which was commanded by Captain
Stack. Recollects being detached by Captain Stack, on
the morning of the 4th of November, with two sergeants
and 28 privates, with orders to report himself to the Mayor.
Marched immediately to the Westgate Inn. Left his
quarters about a quarter after eight o'clock, and might
have taken eight minutes to reach the inn. On arriving
there, formed in front of the building, and consulted the
Mayor, who desired him to enter the yard, through
the stable-gate. He and his company were then sta-
tioned in a room with three projecting windows. After
witness had made every preparation, the Mayor re-
turned to him and informed him that the mob was
approaching. At this time the guns of h;s sol-
diers were not charged. The lower shutters of the
room were closed. Witness heard loud cheering
from the angle turning up Stowe-hill, continued to the
front of the building, and perceived over the half shutters
certain weapons, spears and pikes. Saw that the mob
were forming in front of the building; they appeared to
have formed very steadily, from the manner in which the
weapons came up; they then discharged a volley of small
arms at him, and rushed through the building by the hall-
door, which had either been forced or left open. The win-
dows were torn in different parts by the effect of the slugs
and balls. Down to that time witness's men had not loaded
their guns ; he gave the word to load immediately ; they
loaded with ball cartridge. The lower parts of the win-
dow shutters were then opened, one by the Mayor and one
by witness. Witness opened the one nearest the entrance
of the building on the left hand ; he and his men were
then unmasked and exposed to view, and another volley
of small arms discharged at us. Did not immediately
perceive- that the Mayor was wounded. Witness's men
began firing from the windows as soon as the shutters
were opened. The mob had effected an entrance by
means of the hall. The firing continued about half a
minute from the window, and the door-way communi-
cating with the passage of the house was secured, un-
til the rush had subsided, and the special constables had
got away from the mob. The special constables went
into the court-yard. The door of the room where his
men were was thrown open, and his soldiers fired into the
passage, in which those who had effected an entrance were
passing backwards and forwards with arms. One of the
mob there was killed, and his body was stretched across
the passage. The whole affair occupied less than ten
minutes ; the streets were soon cleared of all dangerous
objects, but the attack in the inner building continued to
the last, and whenever the smoke cleared away the mob
attempted to force their position. This was after the
firing in the street had terminated. The mob attempted
to rush up the doorway of the room where the soldiers
were placed, but they always faltered when they encoun-
tered their own dead and received the fire of the soldiers.
The passage was cleared of all but the dead and wounded
in ten minutes. Witness then gave orders to spare their
ammunition. Sawa great deal of ammunition belonging
to the mob. Broke up some and applied it to the use of
his men. This ammunition was taken from the pockets
of those who were killed. One man had his ammunition
made up very neatly, like a soldier's. There were on
him 30 or 40 rounds. Saw a good deal of other ammu-
nition less skilfully made up. There were slugs and balls.
The slugs were loose in the pockets of the mob. Took
some flasks of powder. Is the course of Monday morning
two prisoners were taken in the building, in a side room
connected with the passage. Saw no arms in their hands,
but ammunition was taken from one of them. When the
dangerous part of the mob had dispersed we found nine
dead bodies.

Cross-examined by Sir F. Pollock—How many of your
people were in the inn?---In all, 30.

When you came up i►► front of the inn, where did you
go next ?—lnto the court-yard.
How long did you remain in front?—About a minute.
You then went into the court-yard; how long did you
remain there ?—About ten minutes.

Where did you go then ?—I then entered the building,
and occupied the room where the firing subsequently took
place.
How long did you stay there before you received orders
to load ?—I received no orders to load : I gave them.
Sir Thomas Phillips has told us, be gave you orders
to load ?—.I do not remember to have received any orders
to load.

What did the Mayor direct?—We considered together,
and as there was an expectation that an attack would be
made on the inn, he was anxious that I should remain in
it, and offered me the room in which the soldiers were
placed. I found that it would answer the purpose, as it
was on the ground floor, and communicated both with the
street and the house. I brought in my men, but they did
not load because there was then no immediate necessity.
You say you received no instructions to load ?—No, I
ordered my men to load when they were fired on ; I then
required no instruction., and had no time to look for them ;
the mob fired at the place before the shutters were opened ;
and the moment the shutters were opened, my men were
exposed, and they received a fresh volley.
When you was fired on, did you give orders immediately
to your men to load ?—lmmediately, and the shutters were
opened to allow my men to fire.
Without opening the shutters your men could not fire,
unless they fired in the air ?—Soldiers don't do that.
But mak), of the shots fired by the mob were in the ceil-
ing ?—Many.
The practice of the mob, then, was different from that
of the military ; and all the harm they did was to break the
windows and damage the ceiling ?—And also to wound the
sergeant of my company and Sir T. Phillips, the Mayor.
Did you not give the order for loading before you opened
the shutters ?_ Yes.

flow long did you remain in the room before the firing
over the shutters into the ceiling commenced?—.Some-
where about five minutes.

Re-examined by the Attorney-General.—Before you
opened the shutters had there been firing against the shut-
ters?--Against them and through them. The shutters
were damaged and torn by that firing before I opened them.
Did you see any shot-marks in the shutters on a level
with you ?—Perfectly on a level. The shutters protected
us in a great measure. _ _

Can you tell whether the balls on the ceiling had
glanced against the shutters ?—Very likely.
Sir F. Pollock—l wish, Captain Gray, you would an-
swer the quesion. Can you tell that those shots had
glanced against the shutters then ?—I cannot.
By the Attorney-General—lf they had glanced against
the shutters, would that account for their lodging in the
ceiling ?—I cannot account for the direction of a spent
shot ; It goes in any direction.
Before opening the shutters. did balls strike the shutters
on a level with you?—Yes t. I did not see the balls in the
ceiling till afterwards.
By the Foreman of the Jury—Did the mob fire at the
military after they were completely unmasked?—They
fired a volley on us immediately the shutters were opened ;
and they might have fired a great deal more, but our fire
covered theirs ; and I could not tell what they did, in
consequence of the din and the noise which prevailed, ex-
cepting from the wounds which our party received.
The Foreman asked whether they did not fire on the
military after they knew they were in the room ; might
not the shots which entered the room have been the result
of the continuous firing before the shutters were opened?
By the Court—Did the mob deliberately fire upon the
military after the shutters were opened ?—I have every
reason to believe that they deliberately fired on us when we
were unmasked, and I was prepared for it.

Are you satisfied that the mob saw you at the time they
fired into the room ?—I am satisfied they must have seen us ;
the windows extended to the very floor, and exposed us. I
was in my uniform, and the soldiers were in a line behind me.
Can you speak with certainty as to the mob seeing the
soldiers as well as yourself ?—Thoy must have seen both
me and the soldiers.

Mr. Kelly--Will your Lordships ask how many of the
soldiers received wounds after the shutters were opened and
the soldiers were unmasked ?

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Sir F. Pollock objected to his description as stated in the
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list of witnesses, and the Court allowing the validity of the
objection, the witness was not examined.
Thomas Walker sworn, and examined by Mr. Wightman,
—I live at Newport. I remember Sunday evening, the
3d of November. lam a special constable. I went out
that evening to the hills by orders of the Mayor. I went
on horseback at about ten o'clock. I went towards Risca.
A man named
mßeig Rigby, a metbo about
party
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half from thoughewport. There were about
twelve men.
Charles
passedrles Webb
What were they doing ?
Sir F. Pollock objected to the question, en the ground
that the acts of those twelve or fifty men,
whichever they
might be, ought not to affect the prisoner until he was
shown to be present, or to be connected with those parties.
The
Lord Chief Justice—The question is perfectly re-
levant. Mr. Kelly followed, and contended, that whatever those
i men might have done, Mr.. Frost could not be prejudiced
by their actions.
The Lord Chief Justice—Let us hear where Risca is, it
may be towards the spot whence they cams the next morn-
ing, and if so, certainly this evidence will bear.
Re-examination resumed--Risca is upon the road to the
hills. I know the Cefn, that is in the road towards Risca
from Newport by the tramroad. The tramroad of which
I have been speaking leads through Tredegar-park. I
sawl2 o
had in their hands, it was too dark. ' I
went to the Welch Oak, and on to near Rises.
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Sir F. Phollock objecte question, and he could
not better do so than by at once citing a case, to which he
could add but little, if anything—which was thus reported
in " Roscoe's Digest of the Law of Evidence," p. 19 :
.' Similar evidence was lately admitted in a case of rob-
bery. The prisoners came with a mob to the prosecutor's
house, and one of the mob went up to the prosecutor, and
civilly, and, as be believed, with good intention, advised
him to give them something to get rid of them, which he
did. To show that this was not bona fide advice to the
prosecutor, but in reality a mode of robbing him, it was
-'1 to givo °Menet' or QOM' denlanda of TfigilOY
propos._ -t- ..,, other houses at dial:rent periods
made by the sante mu„ ...
of the day, when some of the prisoners were
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evidence.' fie afterwards stated that he consulted with
Lord Tenterdcn, who concurred in this opinion (it was a
special commission)."

Mr. Baron Parke—Yes, I remember; that case oe.
cur red at the special commission at Winchester.
Lord Chief Justice Tindai—But that was an indietinen:
for robbery.

Sir F. Pollock—Very true, my Lords, but this is not
an indictment against the prisoner for a conspiracy, iu
which you may almost prove anything ; but although you
may do this, even then you must show that your evidence
affects some one person connected with the conspiracy.
Here it is said, that there are twelve persons standing
under a wall; well, suppose it to he so—for we must not
disguise from ourselves the fact, that when Mr. Wightman
asks the gnestion, " Did you hear anything ?" he expects
the answer to be that he heard firing. But is this to be
given against the prisoner—is lie to be made answerable
for every stray shot which may have been fired that nignt,
by whatever party ?

Mr. Justice Williams—The question was not as to a
shot, Sir Frederick Pollock, but as to a sound.
Sir F. Foltock—But I apprehend this to follow.
Mr. Wightinan—Oh, no.
The Lord Chief Justice—But, Sir Frederick Pollock,
the question appears to me to be perfectly legitimate, for
suppose he heard or saw a drilling of perhaps 2,000 men, or
upwards, why that certainly would be legitimate evidence.
Mr. Kelly—My Lords, pray permit me to say, notwith-
standing that this mob which the witness saw or heard may
be entirely unconnected with the parties of the next day,
supposing, for instance, that certain parties met by the
witness had said, " We are marching to London to de-
pose the Queen ;" however criminal this might have been
upon their part, it could not legally have affected the pri-
soner, although statements like the present might have an
effect upon the jury.
Lord Chief Justice Tindal—But it is right for us to see
how this large body of men were collected, and we may
find that some met at one part, and some at another, to
proceed to a general purpose ; the evidence then of this
assembling would be clearly relevant.
Mr. Baron Parke briefly concurred with Lord Chief
Justice Tindal.

Mr. Justice Williams—lt is quite clear that the ques-
tion can be put, and that this is admissible evidence ex
concessu. Suppose, tor instance, that the place spoken of
by the witness had been nearer to Newport, why the evi-
dence would only have been stronger, but it would have
been legitimate, and the only difference was, that from the
distance it might now be weaker. But still it was quite
evident that the testimony tending to show the general
state of the country on that night must clearly be admis-
sible evidence, tending as it did, to show what was going on.
The objection being overruled, the examination pro-
ceeded.

Examination resumed—l heard a noise, cheering, and a
gun fired. It appeared to come from a great many people.
This was about eleven o'clock. I was then about a mile
from the Welch Oak. The sound appeared to be further
up the hills, and above Risca-bridge. When I heard this
I returned ;it was raining, and a very dark night. On
my way back, when I got to Rigby's, which I have men-
tioned, I saw some persons. It might then be about 12
o'clock. I saw some men, who tried to stop me, and
stabbed me in the thigh. There were 12 or 16 ; they
were across the road. I can't say if they were armed, but
I was stabbed with a sharp instrument. When I was
stabbed, there was also a pistol or gun fired. It was from
one of those persons. I was stabbed in the thigh. It was
a considerable wound. I think the pistol or gun was fired
at Webb, who was with me. I was a little on before
him. I went to Newport, and I reported to the Mayor
what had occurred. I was then very weak, and was carried
into the house.

Baron Parke—Surely that is not material.
Sir F. Pollock—Oh, it is very material.

The Lord Chief Justice—Yes ; they must show that this
was fired with a view of preventing communication with
Newport.
The Solicitor-General—My Lords, the next witness I
shall call will he very long, and I therefore beg to ask your
Lordships whether you will now proceed or adjourn?
The Judges decided, that in consideration of the prisoner
and the jury, the Court should be adjourned until to-mor-
row morning.
The Couit was, at six o'clock, adjourned accordingly.

MONMOUTII, FRIDAY AFTERNOON, QUARTER TO 5.
The Court re-assembled this morning, and the prisoner
John Frost being replaced at the bar,
Matthew Williams was sworn and examined by Mr. Ser-
geant Ludlow—l live at the Argoed; it is about 16 or 17
miles from Newport : it is in the hill country ; there are
mines just above. On Sunday night, the 3d of November,
I went to the Welch Oak ; Risca lees in the direction be-
tween Argoed and Newport. The Welch Oak is at
Risca ; it was about midnight that I went to the Welch
Oak. I saw the prisoner John Frost there. A great
many went with me. I saw Frost speaking to another
man, and there was a great many around the place. On
the night before that I had been at the house of William
Williams, at Argoed ; he keeps a beer-shop. There was
a Chartist lodge held at his house that night. I was at
Williams's from 9 to 10 o'clock. His house was full of
people, and I saw some outside. They ware most of them
colliers. Our names were called over there. I was a new
member. A person took down our names. I had a per.
son put over me and nine more as a captain ; there were
ten under the captain. Sonic money was called for from
us-sd. each; the captain was to bide there all night.
This was the Saturday night. I saw the captain again
the next morning. We were told on the Saturday night
that we were to meet him next morning between nine and
tent) 'clock, by the chapel. I met my captain near the
chapel accordingly, and in pursuance of what passed there
we met again at about six o'clock in the evening. There
were many other persons there. There was a lodge
again held on the Sunday night. I attended it. It was
between three and four o'clock on Sunday afternoon. It
was held at the same place as before, William Williams's.
At that lodge an appointment was made for our meeting
again at a later hour. We were to meet together to pro-
ceed for Newport.

Sir F. Pollock—But you must ask by whose direction.
Examination resumed—A person mentioned the Cefn.
I did not go there. There was the Oak mentioned, and I
went there. I had previously gone to bed about six o'clock,
and between that and seven there was a knock at the door,
and they said they wanted the men out of the house and
my wife said there were no men there then, they
knew better and split the door in and then I cried out
" I am coming." There was a person put over me
to guard me, that I did not run away. I took a stick with
me, and I went with a great number of others to New-
bridge. Newbridge lies in the way to Risca. We met
with many lets on the way, and I can't say how many there
were, it was so dark ; but there was a great number of
men. Most of thorn had some weapon or other. Many
had spears, some had guns. I did not see any with
swords i❑ the night. It was a very wet and tempes-
tuous night. In consequence of something I heard at
Newbridge, we went on to the Welch Oak, where we met
the prisoner. There were a great many there with
Frost ; they were variously armed. I stopped at the
Welch Oak, until almost dsylight. The party went from
the Welch Oak down towards Newport ; we went through
Tredegar-park, and passed by the machine, where there
was a little halt below the machine. We went by the
Fryars, down Stowe-hill. I know the Roman Catholic
chapel, it is near the Westgate. I went on to the West-
gate. I last saw Frost by the Roman Catholic chapel.
I am sure I saw him there; he had come with
the party from the Welch Oak. I saw him several times
on the way. Frost was chiefly, in front. When I was at
the Roman Catholic chapel there were perhaps 400 or 500
before me. As I turned round the corner of the Westgate
I saw them going up to the Westgate front door with their
guns and spears and arms, and I heard some person cry
out, " Fire," twice or three times. I believe there were
captains over every ten, but I did not hear only my own
order. There were parsons giving directions as we went
along, but my captain was not there. Before we set off
from the Welch Oak or Newbridge, I did not hear any one
say where we were to go, no further than that we were to
go after Mr. Frost. I did not see a person of the name of
Rees that night ; I beg pardon, when I said that I did
I made a mistake ; as I believe the man iwho it was said
came as a messenger from Mr. Frost was a man of the
name of George Read.

The Attorney-General—The witness, my Lord, in his
deposition, had stated that the man's name was " Rees,"
but he now finds it to be " Read."

Examination resumed—Did you hear that person say
where you were going ?

Sir P. Pollock objected to the question. This was at
a time previous to the prisoner's having been shown to be
at all in connexion with the matter, and therefore what-
ever any person might have then said as to where they were
going, or what they were going to do, could not be evidence
against the prisoner at the bar.
Lord Chief Justice Tindal—But supposing in answer it
is said-.-... A messenger came and gave directions as to
where to join Mr. Frost," is that to be shut out? It is
shown that this body did join Mr. Frost, and to show how,
we must go by steps.
Mr. Baron Parke—Perhaps the more regular way will
to object to the question, and then the point will be argued
upon that question.
Sir F. Pollock contended that nothing which wits said
by Read at that Chartist lodge could be given in evidence
against the prisoner, as he was neither present, nor had he
at that time been shown to have had any communication
with them.

Lord Chief Justice Tindal—You had better, brother
Ludlow, ask—" Did anybody give directions ?"
Mr. Baron Parke—For suppose five passengers had
come up to them and said that they were to go and meet
Mr. Frost, that you know would be evidence.
Mr. Sergeant Ludlow—Were any directions given you
at the lodge ?
Witness—l heard at the lodge where we were to go to.
We were to go to Newport. George Read told me so.
It was at the lodge.
Did George Read give any directions to you, or say anyl
thing further ?

Sir F. Pollock objected to this being received in evi-
dence as against Mr. Frost. Their Lordships would ob-
serve that there was no evidence of Mr. Frost having met
them at all, earlier than at the Welch Oak; that they were
to meet him there I admit, my Lords.
Mr. Baron Parke—We have not got that in evidence
yet, Sir Frederick.
Sir F. Pollock—No, my Lord ; but I concede that. I
do, however, object to the vague directions given by any
other person as to what they were to do, as being received
as evidence against Mr. Frost, unless it were shown that
he was either present then, or that he had been present at
some prior meeting sanctioning this course.
Mr. Kelly followed. He would submit to their Lord-
ships that this could not be evidence againbt Mr. Frost,
To any questions asked as to Frosts haling ,party
at the Welsh Oak, and Ro...,,uied them to
—ewport, we
do N e
do not ob4ec,t do we'Objeet to evidence that there were
Uireeitons to follow Mr. Frost.
Mr. Baron Parke._But you object to declarations made
by any persons prior to that meetingat 12, o'clock on the
,511344 Y 0.01, To what passed afterwards you do not
poject."
Mr. Kelly—No, my Lords,
The Lord Chief Justioe—Do the parties for the Crown
intend to carry it further than to that point?

7

The Attorney- General rose, and was about to reply, when
Mr. Baron Parke said—But, at present, you have not
shown that there were any directions to meet Mr. Frost.
Had you not better first prove that fact?
The examination rcsuraed—We had directions at New-
bridge to meet Mr. Frost, and it was said that he was gone
on to Cefn-de-Machogr,. We were told this at Newbridgs,
at about 10 o'clock on the Sunday night. The Welch
Oak is higher up than the Gehl. We were told at Rises
that they had halted at the Welch Oak, and it was said
that Mr. Frost was there. Ido not know.,who it was said
that, but it was a mob of persons at Rises bridge. It
was at the lodge that we were told by George Read that
we were to go to Newport ; this was at Argoed, and at
about five o'clock on the Sunday evening. Most of the
persons at the lodge went with me to the Welch Oak,
where we met Frost.

Mr. Sergeant Ludlow_l now propose to ask the wit-
ness, my Lords, if anything was said before they came to
the Welch Oak of what they were to do at Newport?
Sir F. Pollock—l think this cannot be asked, although
I admit, that after Frost joined them, the vague observa-
tions of any of the party might be made, perhaps, matter
for remark, but only so ; but any observations made pre.
viouly are not admissible, merely because they were told
that they were to meet Mr. Frost, and that they did after-
wards do so. Now, how could any cue, according to any
reasonable construction of the rules of evidence, which are
sufficiently loose, and very properly so— how could any one
seek to make the prisoner answerable for the ♦ague expres-
sins of any one of, say 500 persons, previously to his being
shown to be at all mixed up with them, merely because
some one might have said that they were to meet him ?
I doubt very much whether, even in the ordinary case of a
conspiracy, in which almost anything can be proved, I
doubt whether what one of the conspirators who was not
indicted with the rest might have said in his private
chamber, or to another person not connected wii.h
the conspiracy, would be evidence against any one but him-
self ; against himself, if indicted, it most surely would be
evidence ; but it certainly would not be evidence against any
other of the conspirators. Your Lordships will, perhaps,
recollect that in Lord George Gordon's case, it was sought
to prove what were his intentions—then all London was for
ten days in the bands of an infuriate mob. The Lord Chief
Justice's house was, I believe, burnt down; there were 300
fires, and yet he was not held accountable for those acts.
Mr. Justice Williams—Because these things were done
afterwards.

Sir F. Pollock—Some of them were afterwards, but
some of them were, I believe, consecutive. Now suppose,
for instance, that at a meeting of the Chartist Lodge reso-
lutions were put as to what was to be done ; that certainly
would not be evidence against Mr. Frost, unless it was
shown that he was connected with it. The question put
was, with what object was it that you were to go ? and he
submitted to their Lordships that such a question could not
be put as evidence against Mr. Frost.
Mr. Kelly followed on the same side. The question
sought to be obtained was what were Mr. Frost's inten-
tions ? Now, this must be inferred from two sorts of evi-
dence—first, from acts done by him or those with whom
he was acting in concert, or by the declarations made by
him or them. Now, no objections had been taken either
by his Learned Friend or himself to anything being given
in evidence which was done or said from the time the as-
stmlny on the Sunday night took place, and the prisoner
was one of that assemblage, although it might have been
out of his hearing ; but his Learned Friends were now
proposing to prove the intentions of Mr. Frost, not by any-
thing said or done by him, but by a something said in his
absence by some person who, it was said, was his messen-
ger, but who had not been shown to be so ; nor was it even
attempted to be shown that the prisoner knew anything
whatever of the matter until he now heard it for the first
time : how then could that be made evidence against him?
He would now call their Lordships' attention to Mr. Star-
kie's observations, vol. ii., p. 234, under the head " Con-
spiracy," in which it was said, " It seems, however, on the
other hand, that a mere gratuitous assertion inculpating
himself and others, although made by a fellow-conspirator,
would not be evidence against any one but himself. As
against himself it would be evidence, on the general ground
that any declaration or admission connected with the charge,
be it oral or written, is admissible in evidence against
the party who makes it, but as againstfanother person it is
no more than the mere gratuitous declaration of a stranger
not upon oath." Now this showed, therefore, that there
must be evidence to go to the Jury to show that Read,
when he made this statement, was acting in conjunction
with Frost, and for this conspiracy. Mr. Starkie then
went on to say : —" Although in general, upon principles
already adverted to, the act or declaration of one man is
not evidence against another who is charged as a fellow-
conspirator until such a privity or community of design
has been established between them as affords a reason-
able presumption that the act or declaration of one is the
act or declaration of the other, made with his sanction,
arid therefore indicating his mind and intention ; and
although it follows from these principles that such a con-
nexion must be established before the acts and declara-
tions of one man can properly be ased as evidence to show
the designs of another, yet in some peculiar instances,
where it would be difficult to establish the defendant's
privity, without first proving the existence of a conspiracy,
a deviation has been made from this rule, and evidence
of the acts and conduct of others, has been admitted to
prove the existence of a conspiracy previous to the proof
of the defendant's privity." Then Mr. Starkie cites
Hardy's case. But this was an indictment for high trea.
son, and he would suppose for a moment that a meeting
was to be held under the presidency of the High Sheriff
in the County-hall of Monmouth, and that a person in-
tending to be present at that meeting sends a messenger
to another person at a distance to meet him at that county
meeting; suppose that that meeting changes its character,
its legal character, and becomes a treasonable meeting,
and the first person remains there until it is dangerous
to his safety to remain any longer, and that he is after-
wards indicted for high treason, could the declaration of
any other party made previously be used as evidence
against him because of its being said that he had sent a
messenger desising the attendance of the other? Sup-
posing, for instance, that Read had said, " We aro to as-
sasinate every Magistrate, to break down the bridge, and
then to march on to London and depose the Queen,"
would that be evidence against Mr. Frost? Their Lord-
ships would see that if anything which occurred be-
fore be was shown to be connected with the matter
was to be evidence against him, how fearful it would be.
What man's life wonld be safe? How was he to defend
himself against that which ho then heard for the first
time, and by which it was sought to affect his life ? lie
could not conceive in what mode their Lordships could
submit this evidence to the Jury. Read, who was supposed
to have made this communication with the authority of Mr
Frost, was not one of the parties in the indictment. If he
was living, why was ho not produced ?
Mr. Baron Parke said he did not understand that the
question put by the Learned Sergeant applied particu-
larly to Read. He took the question to be, " Was it
said at the Chartist lodge at Argued that they were to gn,
to Newport, and for what purpose ?" The answea• ja,
that question might show that a certain numbe-f of per-
sons assembled at the lodge, having a de6aaite object in
view. Supposing that object to have been to take posses-
sion of Newport and assassinate the Magistrates, was not
that admissible evidence ? It would 'clo for the Jury after-
wards tojudgo from other cvidenco whether the prisoner at
the bar had concurred in that design.
Mr. Kelly apprehended that The evidence was not ad-
missible. Supposing such words were used at the Char-
tist lodge, still, if it was not proved by some act that Mr.
Frost participated in the design, the whole of the evidence
was useless. On the other hand, if any act was proved on
the part of Mr. Frost, by that act he must be judged, and
not by the evidence now proposed to be adduced—not by
what was said by other persons, of whom the prisoner knew
nothing. That evidence might be good against the parties
who uttered the words, and against those who heard them,
because their acts might be coupled with the words; but
Frost could not be bound by what somebody bad said to
somebody else, unless it was communicated to him, or
unless Frost had given precise authority for the utterance
of the language.
The Attorney-General was about to reply, but the Court
did not deem it necessary to hear him.
Lord Chief Justice Tindal said, it appeared to him that
the evidence was admissable on the principle established in
all other cases. What its value might be would be matter
for observation at a subsequent period. It was very true that
the mode of showing conclusively that a conspiracy had
been entered into by various persons was by showing an-
tecedent acts that brought them together. But that was
not the only mode of proving a conspiracy. Its
existence might be show:, by acts afterrwards done by •,:ee
parties, leaving it to be inferred by the Jury whaether or
not there was a common design among the ~a'arties. Tho
question now was whether, when the 13';,soner was found
accompanying a certain body of me;, from the Welch Oak
to the Westgate Inn, that vvl“.
ell had been resolved on by
this body of men should soe admitted in evidence ? Un-
doubtedly this
evidence,3 if it should have no reference to
facts afterward to be proved, must fall to the ground; but
if an agreemell't had been come to by a body of men to do
the yen: Laing which was afterwards done in the presence,
P.'...,1 with the participation of the prisoner, it might be
supposed that the design of the mob was communicated to
him as they went along. At any rate, the Court had no
right to anticipate at the present moment what the effect
of the evidence might be as respected the prisoner. la
one way it would make no evidence against him, while in
another point of view it might be evidence, supposing it to
be strengthened by other evidence afterwards to be given
I in the course of the investigation.
Mr. Baron Parke and Mr. Justice Williams expressed
1 the s ime opinion.
Mr. Serg. Ludlow then resumed the examination of the
witness, and put the question which had been objected to.
Witness said they were told to go to Newport.. They
were to go there to stop the coaches, and, and all
traffic, Witness asked what they werewing to do be-
aido.., it was said they were to stop there to guard the
town. Met Mr. Frost at the Welch Oak at midnight.
After that witness was told that Mr. Frost had gone away.
lie saw Frost afterwards coming back to the Welch Oak
at the break of Jay, together with a great many others,
who followed him. They had in their hands spears, and
gum, and arms of different kinds. The people had goato
to the Welch Oak at midnight, waited there until Trost
came, and then went on to Newport.
Cross-examined by Sir F. Pollock—Witn.ess first met
Frost at the Welch Oak at midnight. 1-fad seen Frost
before, and knew him. Saw him comilig back at break of
day, between six and sovon o'clocia. Between midnight
and break of day made no inquiries for Mr. Frost. The
lodge took ialaco on Saturday night at Argoed. It was u
~-igs,n of Chartists. Had not been at the lodge before
since last harvest. Paid no money or attention to them.
1-lad been at their meetings three or four times when he
went to the house for a drop of beer. The lodge was
held at Argood every Saturday night, and this waa.:
publicly known, he supposed, all over the place. At
the lodge they paid a penny a night. Wit 7., ne' did not
see them eat or drink. Two persons were i..::
tting at each
end of a large table writing names and .:eemving. money.
The room would hold about twenty persons. More were.,
Because some Were coming
present on the Saturday night.
up and some going down. Knew that. `,:ioorge Read way
present; Read is a atoemaker : ' ,
nine nlontbs •
gut 100 yards from witness, ea
, nag anown liimeigßht ox
d
Ml.' ; ;le lived al,-

-
is a married man. Witness knew/be publican wheret7ko.-,
lodge was held, and two or three More by their faces. ..../i4
riot know any man of the name of George Rees; 5412144
making his atatement before the:Magistrates respecting.
1 the messenger, he said his nam6 wa,.Geonge Rees, in-
stead of Read, and a collier instead ef....i(4erviker. On
his solemn oath does not knowla masalt,bpolualavepf Gbp
Rees living at Argued, within 100 our iirdsf, oft Itua•
Witness came to that Court from the Union at Newpbrt ;
is kept in the Union; dares say it is not the first time he
has been confinement ; does not know where be has been
in confinement before; has been in confinement once before.
six or seven years ago, in the gaol at Usk. He was con-
fined for three months; was convicted at the sessions for
taking a bit of coal; means by " taking" stealing a bit of
coal ; witness was wounded in front of the Westgate Inn, on
the 4th of November ; was taken up as one of the Chartists
about 10 o'clock in the morning. Has been in confine-
ment ever since. It was at the meeting at Argped on
Sunday night that it was said they were to go to New-
port to stop the coaches and all traffic. George Read, the
shoemaker, said so. Read also said, "Be sure to bring
arms with you." Somebody said, " Did we propose to
carry the meetings peaceably throughout the country ?
instead of that we are carrying arms, and we know that it
is against the law ;" but the messenger said, " If we we
do not break the old law, :we shall never get a new one.."
They were to do nothing besides stopping the coaches,
stopping the post, and all traffic at Newport. Witness
first agreed to give evidence for the Crown when examined.
Was examined by Mr. Edwards, a Magistrate, at the
Westgate Inn. Was examined before that time by Mr.
Edwards, who Came to him while witness was ia his
bed. Mr. Edwards said to him, " Alattli-ew, bow ,
be you ?" Witness replied, " Very bad ;" when Mr.
Edwards said, " Well, you must tell me the truth,
and how you came to this," and witness then told
him. Mr. Edwards examined witness before being
taken to the Magistrates. Mr. Edwards did not say that
if witness told the truth be would get off. Did not think
at all about being imprisoned, because at that time he ex-
pected to die. Mr. Edwards told him he would be severely
punished. He was afterwards carried to the Magistrates.
When called up in the morning, witness took a walking..
stick with him. Had no other weapon ; it was a walking_
stick, but not trimmed off, for he took it in a hurry in his I
hand to go with the people. This happened on Sunday
night, about seven o'clock, before he had been
,i.'sl, bed an•
hour. Never was in gaol on any other charge, excepting
about the coals. Does not remember being in custody on
any other charge. Remembers being taken up some few
years ago at Newport for leaving his children, though b.;
had not left them ; had only gone to seek for employment.
Was not detained on this charge half an hour. That was
the only time he was ever taken up before. Was never
charged with sheep stealing. The coals he stole were
worth lid., and he was imprisoned three months fow taking
them.

Re-examined by Mr. Sergeant Ludle'w—When Mr.
Edwards came to witness, was very Min bed, and consi-
dered his life in danger.
By the Jury—Did not know who took down tie names
at the lodge. It was with the captain that they made an
appointment to meet a second time on Sunday. George
Read said himself that he was a messenger from Mr.
Frost ; waited at the Welch Oak from midnight to day-
break, because he was afraid to go away: witness un-
derstood that the people were to stop there until Mr.
Frost came back ; three months ago, if he had met
George Reed, should have addressed him by the np7,13
of Rees.
James Hodge called and examined by the Policitor.
General—Witness lives near Blackwood ; tnows Mr.
Frost; remembers Sunday, November 3.
Mr. Kelly here observed, that he intendrzd to take !AI
objection to the description of this witness, as given in the
list of witnesses ; and proposed to n
some questicms to
him on the noire dire.

The Solicitor-General objected, tleat as the wifeless had
been sworn in chief, it was too lace to swear Vern on the
voire dire.
Mr. Baron Parke said that some witnesses had already
been first swore in chief, and afterwards examined on the
voire dire. This was Certainly an irregular course, and
would be better in fetture to adhere to th regular form of
proceeding.
Mr. Kelly was then permitted to examine the witncee.
who was described as being of Woodfield, near Blacktveod.
From his evidence it appeared that he was at Moremeete
on the 11th of December, where he stayed aleout two
nights; that he then went to Newport and 'Stayed two
nights there, and then returned home, where he remained
three, four, or five days. He afterwards left his hon .
and went to Newport, and lived at the Salutation end
other public-houses, until his presence was required at
Monmouth.
Mr. Kelly submitted to the Court, whether the 'descrip-
tion in the list was sufficient. J'
was not only eeeeseary
to look at the words of the stveute, but also ite spirit and
object. He need not rerr'Lnd their Lordshien that Lord
Tenterden had laid it deeen on the subject of: treason, that
the description of th'e witnesses must be such as would
enable
efoe unTindalLor said, the object of requiring
dtchehmiefto justice
the descrirAion was that duo inquiry ?night be made re-
speetle.g the character of the witneses.
Kelly submitted that the object was more extensive.
It was intended to give to the prisoner an opportunity sending parties on his behalf to see the witnesses hims, if
and not merely to make inquiry about their character. It
I might be essential to the prisoner for some p ellen
acting for him to see a particular witness, in order, if that
witness were going to speak to a certeain fact, that the pri-
soner might be in a position to contradict hire. In this
very case the witness in the box was a very ir.opeeitant one ;
and it was of the utmost co*asequence to the prisoner to
have been able to find are witness, and cause him to be
identified. What infor-.nation did the description in the
list afford ? Woodfie),d, near Blackwood, might be the
witness's general piece of abode ; but then he went from
his home just at the time, or even before the time, when
the list of witnesses was delivered to the prisoner, and left.
no word where he was to be found.
Lord Chief Justice Tindal—How would yon have de _
scribed his abide?
Mr. Kelly would have described him as being of Wood-
field, but row residing at the Salutation public-housee New-
port.
Mr. Baron Parke—According to the evidexces he was
at home on the 17th of December.
Mr. Kelly—l think you will find it nit so, my Lord.
He was examined before the grand jury on the 11th of
December; he stayed in Monmouth two nights. This
brings it to the 13th. He then 'iter.tt to Newport and
stopped there two nights,lbringireg 'it up to the 15th. He
then goes home, and remains th,ere three, four, or five days.
Mr. Baron Parke—That lerings ti*i to the 17th of De-
cember.
Mr. Kelly—The evidence was given by the witreees with 'lone degree ef uncertainty. He might have left his
br.,me at the time the list of witnesses was given to the. prie
soner, and certainly before it could be acted upon.
Lord Chief Justice Tindal—According to the eci'aiessls
own account, he was moving about from public,-house to
public-house; and if he had been described as l'ffing in one
of these public-houses, it might have been obj ected. that as
the man had a place of abode, it ought to hr ve been given.
Mr. Baron Preece thought the Solicitor for the Crown
was riot bound to state more than the place of abode of the
witness.
The Solicitor-General then reaumeee the examination in
chief.—. Witness remembers Sunday, November 3d. Ir.
the evening of that day, ab Jut seven o'clock, was at t'de
Coach and Horses, at Blackwood. Mr. Frost was th.ere.
There were a are man/ persons in the room. rJuring
theand Feeist were there, in the roceel, a man
was present wearing a glazed hat, who said Yee had just
' come from Newport; that the soldiers were all Chartists,
anal that their arms and ammunition were 'packed up ; and
that they were ready to come up. It was only for them t
go dawn and fetch them. He asked 'if any person want ed
arr.munition. It was said that the seildiers were in the 'ear-
racks. The man also said that the people ought, to be
out on the road with guns tr, stop any reereon that
passed. He said, " Come breehers, it is time we were
off. Our enemies are flyir,g in all directions, and we
ought to have been down *these two hours." The people,
after what this man said, went all on the road. Some
were willing to go te, Blackwood and scour the wood, and
some would not. 'These was a "stagnation" at the time
when Mr. Frost put himself at their head, and told
them to follow him. Upon that the people turned
about and followed Mr. Feast. There was no parti-
cular form observed in znarebing. Mr. Frost told them
to follow him to the Cefn. He (Frost) said they shoul•
there meet 'Zephaniah Williams, with 5,000 men. a.od
Jones, at Pontypool, with 2,000. They then went to_
wards
Frost were armed, some with pikes, others. KithKithguns
the Greyhound at Cern. The persons teellowing
and sticks. Some were willing to go 0.11, arta some not,
Those who were unwilling were ordered to be kept up.
Arrived at a place called Pie-corr,er. Saw Mr. Frost there. Mr Frost said the guns sh ould take the front, the
pikes next, the bludgeons next, 'and then the people with.
out arms.• Was within a few v, ards of Mr. Frost when he
said that. On Mr. Freest giv:ing these orders witness went
to him and said, " In the r.dme of God what was he going
to do ?—was he e.,oing to attack any place or people ?"
He said he was. ; that he was going to attack Newport
and take it, to lelow up or to blow down the bridge, Menefee I
could not say which, and stop the Welch mails from pry.
seeding to Birmingham ; that there would be-three dele-
gates there to wait for the post an hour and a heat after
time, and if it did not arrive in time the (*WA was to
commence at Birmingham ;_from thence i.e would spread
to the berth of England and Scotland, rend thitt, would be
a 4443 for the whole nation. Witnes-,4 told Mr. Frost he
atlig!at as well lead them to a s'saughterhouse to be
slaughtered, and that he imita',ed a butcher lead-
ing a flock of lambs to the il.aughterhouse. Witneu
begged of him to desire, the reign to return to the hills.
Mr. Frost replied, " J:JO you, think so ?" and turned *way
with a scornful look ,as witness thought. This happened
at Pie-corner after break of day. The road was lined with
people further tlean he could see. Witness did not after-
, wards remain with the mob. Jumped into the briars and '
brambles wed hid himself for some time, and thus escaper,?,
going he,me as fast as he could. Had endeavoured to
es-
cape before, at Risca in particular, but was prevente d bT
people placed on the road, and compelled to go re 4. A
great many persons were forced in different place-, against
I their will. On Sunday night before start',nre the pass-
words were given at the Coach and Hors,, The pan-
, words were Beans" and " Well." P'ersons whom they
sent opt, and who did not know these reass-words were to
be made prisoners. I know Jones 'f Pontypool'. I had
seen Frost in the kitchen of the Cc,ach and 'Horses on the
Friday night, and I saw ,ones ire the passage. Chartist
lodges woe held at thret house. There was a meeting of:
delete ':: es that night ...here. I attended that meeting—,es
',as held in the lor„e room.
Cross-examin-ed by Mr. Kelly—Tell me the 'name of
one person,if, you can, who was forced to procr
ed against
his will?—.it is a thing impossible for a riven to tell the
names r:nen so many hundreds were aboiet,
1 epeat my question—_l ask you tilt name of any one
person forced against his will. Can. you give me same
le-other-in-law for another.
or not can give you my O
Give me your brother-in
-law
sr,n name for one ; any
's name ?—Thos. Williams.
Where does he live
At the same place I live myself.

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