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:o rating ratio beyond *hat it had ever been
i Fires. of: peace. And even in- Continental
L'i! 4c, our commerce, notwithstanding the
pow,. r of. the scourge of the Continent, had
gro\in to a considerable extent, particularly' since
the issuing of the- Orders in Council. Tire axe-
r-!--re of our annual_exports to the Continent dur-
.the throe years preceding the Orders in Coun-
cil 17,50'0,001. The annual average of the
three years subsequent to the Orders in . Council
-11,s 23,010,0001. .".f,;ven the e.7:ports to America
prim to tie last year, so.tar from decaying, had_
considerably.increased. 'The average of tile an,
1.1,A6.1 exports to Americia and the West indies-dur-
ing the three years immediately prtAtling-the last
year, was 22,000,00U1. The annual average dur-
ing-the three years preceding those three years,,
was only 19.a00;0001. The present distress
of those manufacturing districts most connected
,with America was, in a great degree; attribut-
able to the benevolent feelings of the master
manufacturers, who. had expended their capitals
in keeping their men employed on the same
during the last year as they had done

during the three Yeats preceding.. He had always
denied that theepreaent system was adopted from
any Unworthy :motives of national gain. It rest-
ed .on the:firm ground. of national defence. It.
rested on the principle, hat as the enemy wielde3
their utmost extent of power against the pro-
-
eperity of the British Empire, we had a right to
wield the utmost eatent of our power against the
prosperity of Fraytere. He stated it in Vindica-
tion Of the character of. the Country, and of the
Government, that heobelieved:no .Councils had
ever been more honourably and faithfully direct-
ed to tipply the system of
,retaliation successfuLy
to the enemy, hut hi a. Way as little obnoxious as
poiSible to the neutral'. .Various modifications
had been resorted .to for this latter purpose, and
partictilarly-the Order of 1809, limiting the block-
.
ade to :France ,and the countries -immediately
under the power of her arms. Adverting to the
systeni of licenses, he maintained that the Ho-
)am:fable aid ,earned Gentleman had fallen under
,a great error on the Subject., The licenses con-
nected With the .e stem of blockade, did
not forma fifth of the whole license syStern.of the
:country. ' We lace a right by our licenses to avail
ourselves of the relief.which the enemy repaired ;
and we had neverolone thiq to the injury of neu-'
trals, who had enjoyed as tnuch facility in sailing
from Our.perts as cur own merchant vessels. But
it wain not with the license system that America
qUarrelled. We had eXpressed our readiness to
return, if America wis'oed -it, ,to the strict measure
of 1807, provided she rescinded the act prohibi-
tory °Cour commertee, He was anxious to call
the attention of the Honse to some circumstances
vabich had occurred since the last discussion on
the .§ubject, and since the issuing of the-Re-
gent's Declaration in April. It had been asked
in that Honse, in what way be.understood the ope-
ration of the French Decree recently communi-
cated to Government by the American Minister ?
He had no hesitation in replying, that in his opi-
nion it by no means satisfied the Regent's Decla-
ration, which required the unqualified and uncon-
ditional- repeal of the Berlin and Milan Decrees,
as the condition of rescinding the Orders in Conn-
-01. The day on which he had received that De-
cree, was the very day on which the House of
cOmmons had' been pleaa:ed by. its vote virtually to
dissolVe the Adminiatetione and :therefore it
was not until the last. ree or four days that flee.
present Government, considering themselves as a
• Go veentri ent, bad deliberated
,on thnsubj act: On
the face of this instrument, bowever,ehe had no
diffieulty in repeating that it appeared insufficient,
and teas accompanied ,with circumstances of great
distrust and suspicion. It was difficult also, to say,
whether this Decree had not been completely
revoked by the sweeping declaration of the. Duke
of Bassano, that the Berlin and Milan Decrees
•wortid remain'in full force,. until the maritime as-
sumptions of 'cilia country should be abandoned.
There, therefore, must exist considerable doubts
On the subject. Nevertheless, it might not be nn-,
'Wise to put the country in a situation to, receiye
explanations upon it, if the. American Govern-
Meat shonld be found dispersed to make repre-
ientations to France, to induce her to satisfy the-
justari
expectations contained in his Royal highness
the 'Prince Regent's Declaration, Greate.Britain
would' be disposed to consent, to the anspension,
for a lit-lilted petiod„ of thereStrictive system of
both countries ; or; in other words, she would
consent to suspend the Orders in Council, if
America wonld consent to suspend her...Non-Im-
portation Act: The experiment might then be
tried 'Of the practicability of restoring things to
their ancient system. If, by an act of temper and
conciliation., not incompatible with the safety of
the country, an inducement could be held'out to
France: in the paroxysm of her'power„ to return
to that system, a departure from which had. been
desiructive of her own cominerce, it would be an
act redottriding to our, honour. Should ,the event
favourable, the advantage- would be great to all
pieties. Should it be unfavourable, we must
return to our present retaliatory system.,
if this effort on our part were not met with a cor-
respondent 'feeling on *the pazt.of America, op-
pOrtunities would be afforded, in the absence of
irritation, of fairly considering those circum-
stanceS which Inidt. restore and cernent that
friendship whicli ought always 'to be maintained
etweeri the two countries, and which it was the
curse of -both' had es: r. been interrupted. If, by
the fatal perkvertince of France, Cieeat Britain
should be driven to reaflopt her retaliatory sys-
tem, means might be adopted, without endanger-
ing its efficacy against :the enemy, of rendering it
less obnoXious:to America: He concurred with the
Hon. and' Learned Gentlernan, that would be
a rriost unworthy and unwise policy in this couna
try to allow itself to be provoked by the irrita2
tion which America' had evinced. Was it the
part of a great Empire like England to adopt- a,
conciliatory course of conduct towards America,
even at a time when her (one, although be trusted
it 'Would not lead to absOlute war, sufficiently.
marked the hostile disposition of her Councils
Although he did not wish to be too sanguine as to
the result of his experinient, yet, persuaded as he
was, that there had been moments of such great

inconvenience to:Pr:lnce, that ad she ndt, Cher
risked hopes' Of final success frqm the occurrence
of certain circumstances 'in this country, she,
would w,illing-17 have alynirloneil ',her systom 3 he
odd not help- entertaining au expu:tation tltat
she rani lit be induc'e.l to return t
system : under all these -cireunst._!n,:Lc,

t:.e z't ricitr)l:

le ti'llst:l

tie House would not conient to the

.would content himself with moving the Order of
the Day. Were the docuareni3 illustrative of 'the
negdciation bOween this country and An on
the table, he shoals] call-for a (Us:tin& negative to
the motion, but as they were not; so he did not
wish .to extract from the House any vote Ivhich
might imply- their approbation of the_ conduct of
his Majesty's Government in that negociation.
ME..WHITBREAb professed himself-at a loss to
understand the Noble Lord's precise meaning in
the proposition to America, to which he had al-
luded. ,Was it intended .to suspend the Orders in
Council immediately on the expectation that
America would suspend - her NOn-Importation
-Act ; or was it intended, in the first instance, tq
send an Ambassador to America, and to await the
result of a previous negociation ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH replied; that it was in con-_
templation to make the proposition to America,
on her answer to which Avould depend the conduct
of„Great B.itain.

CharaCte:*:SC'd the statement of
the Noble Lord; as •one of the greatest delusions
ever practised in.. c,hatlio use,- Vci r the purpose of
diverting them from the object under their consi-
deration. A -Minute was •of importance to the
empty, and the Noble Lord was about to delay
the proceedings for six months. If the-Hot-me
agreed to the motion of his Hon. and Learned
Friend—if the. Orders in Council were repealed,
in seven days the loonis. would be, all at wOrli.,and
the manufacturing districts would be relieved—if
the Noble Lord's plan were preferred, not a.siugle
loom would be occupied, - not a .b'ale of goods
would he shipped, • nOt a manufaCturer would be
employed.
['The remainder of the debate, which contains
very little novelty, -want of room compels us to,
give very briefly.)
Mr. B. .I.l.AfrilußsT contended, that in the pre-
sent situation of America, the House ought not to
come to .a resolution to give, up the Orderg in
Council altof.i:e.ther.

Mr. PON-0;;;BY OppC)SO the proposition of Lord
Castlereagh, for recurring to the Order of the
Day. Such a proceeding,, he thought, was but
ill calculated to satisfy the distressed Martufae-
ttirers'who appeared as Petitioners at their • _ . .

Mr. CA.NgitcG stated himself 'to be one of those
with whom the :Orders in Council
They had his strong approbation when they were
,issued, and to. that approbation he thought them
still entitled. He wished it however to be dis-
tinctly understood, that he had approved of them
as a belligerent. measure; and not as a mercan-
tile regulation ; as retaliatory upon France,: but
not as a' commercial expedient. Since it ap-
peared to be the wish of the' country, and of the
House, that they should be in some way-modified,'
to their wishes he should how: It-seemed to be
the opinion of some Honourable Members that
such a relaxation on the part of England would
be productive of conduct more conciliatory on the
part of France. He had no such hope ; on the
contrary, he apprthended it would only tend to
make France more haughty and overbearing in
her clemands. He however hoped it would have.
the effect of making the conduct of America More
Conciliatory than it had been of late, and.thought
its would be better that the Orders should be re-
voked, with the power of re-enactment, than that
they should be suspended with the power of 're-
action, as recommended by an HOty. Member. He
thought the least exceptionable way of proceeding
on the part of the House, might be to :address the
fl.egent, and lay before him the evidence given in the
Committee. He merely threw this out as hint,
approving he did of the feeling of the Noble
Lord (L.vd Castlereagh), as to the impropriety of.
the- interference ,of that House with the ExeCutive
during a pending negociation.
Mr. BROUGHAM shortly. replied.. He congra-
tulated the
.House and the Country that their la-
Hbours, though long and painful, would not be in
vain: He expressed a hope that, the Noble Lord
(Laid Castlereagh) would withdraw his motion.

.•
Lord CASTLEREAGH • could not :withdraw his
motionobjecting, as he did, to the interference
of, that House with, the Executive, pending any
negociation. 'When the Executive had taken its
measures, it would be for that House-to. express
its sentiments of that measure, whatever it might
be, but till then, any interference on their part
would, in his opinion, be premature and Improper.
With this feeling, whatever might be the fate of
his motion, it was his intention to take the sense
of the House upon, the propeiety of recurring to
the 'Order of the Day.
The 'question was then loudly Called for, and
the gallery was. cleared for a. division ; the Honse,
however, did not divide. Mr. BROUGHAM and
Lard-.CASTLEREAGH severally withdrew their .mo-
tions,. with ,an understanding that an official, in-
strument on the subject would appear in the next
Gazette. •

, The House adjourned at Three o'clock this
rnoraing.

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