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London, England, 1840-07-28 00:00:00

A QUAINT CHARACTER.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

was not the law, and it could not therefore be done.
Witli ree-ara to the French treat,,, he indulged, a 1.1-,pc
that the negotiations golog, on on the suii,ct viould be
soon brought to a conclusion, so that he might he
able to submit it to the consideration of Parliament
early next Session, and to obtain their sanction for the
alterations it might propose. He could not, however,
entertain such a hope for the present Session.
THE GREEN PARK.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, JULY 27.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'Clock.
The Metropolis Improvement Bill (No. I.) was read
a third time and passed on the motion of Mr. E. J.
STANLEY.
Mr. F. MAULE presented a petition from the
Congregation of Strathbogie, which the Honourable
Gentleman said he intended as an answer to one that
had been presented by the Right Hon. Baronet
(Sir Robert Peel) from the Ministers of that parish,
complaining of the conduct of the General Assembly,
and praying the House to adopt some measures far the
settlement of this long-disputed question. Also, a pe-
tition with a similar prayer from Inverness.
Mr PROTHERO presented a petition from the
attorneys of Halifax, praying for a removal of the Courts
of Law to a more convenient situation.
Mr. GROTE presented a petition signed by a num-
ber of persons in the coffee-trade, praying that the
protecting duty on British colonial sugar may not be
increased, and for a proportionable increase in the duty
on East India coffee to that of other countries.
Mr. BAINES presented a petition from the Lon-
don Missionary Society, complaining of the sanction
given to idolatry by the British residents in India, and
praying for the interference of the House. Also a si-
milar petition from a congregation of Protestant Dis-
senters at Stoke Newington.
Mr. GLADSTONE presented a petition from the
Clergy of Nenagh, in Ireland, complaining that they
had not received satisfactory settlement of their claims
under the Tithe Commutation Act.
Mr. SHIEL presented petitions from Nenagh and
other places, praying the House to adopt some mea-
sure for the better remuneration of medical witnesses.
IDOLATRY IN INDIA.

Mr. ALSTON wished to ask the Secretary of the
Treasury whether he was prepared to assure the House
that there was no intention of planting or making gar-
dens, or altering the fences of the Green Park ?
Mr. STANLEY said that there was no intention of
making any material alteration in the Green Park, or
of excluding the public from any part of it. But at the
same time he should say that a project was under con-
sideration for making some addition to the fences in that
portion of the Park which exttnded from Sutherland
prate to Cleveland-row, for the greater security of the
inhabitants in the neighbourhood.
Mr. H. BARING wished to ask the Right Hon.
Gentlemen, whether there were any intention of making
a new footway from Pimlico to Constitution Hill.
Mr. STANLEY was not aware of any such inten-'
tion on the part of the Commissioners of Woods and
Forests.

Sir R. PEEL did not see the necessity for the pro-
posed fencing, as he thought some other precaution
might be taken for the security of the inhabitants of the
neighbourhood of the Park.
Mr. STANLEY did not say that the proposal had
been decided on. It was as yet merely under consi-
deration.
Mr. PROTHEROE begged leave to ask if there
would be any objection to lay before the House the
plans which were under consideration of the Commis-
sioners of Woods and Forests?
Mr. A LS'FON observed that if there were any in-
tention of laying their plans before Parliament, it
, otherwise no one could
l37be effected in the Park he-
'dg ie
tt
and the next meeting of Par-
liament.
, tlbeea donete alterations
prorogationonms mme'
Mr. BARING WALL was about to make some
observations, when
The SPEAKER called the lion. Member to order.
The Hon. Member might ask any question he thought
proper of the Right Hon. Secretary ; but he could not
make any observations at that time.
Mr. HUME asked when the Report relating to po-
litical prisoners would be laid on the table ?
No answer was given.
Mr. B. WALL then gave notice that he would to-
morrow move, that the plans under consideration of the
\Voods and Forests should be laid before the House.
POSTAGE.

Sir R. INGLIS presented petitions from the Church
Missionary Society, the Derby Church Missionary
Society and the Bankers and Merchants of Bristol
against Idolatry in India. The Hon. Baronet stated
that he would take that opportunity of putting the
question of which he had given notice to the Right
Hon. Baronet opposite. As long ago as 1838, the Right
Hon. Baronet had stated that as far as depended upon
him he thought the time had arrived when there
should he a discontinuance of the connection of the
East India Company with the system of idolatry that
had existed in India. That statement was made in
answer to a question of the Honourable Member for
Leeds. It was not his intention now to enter into
the merits of the case, but the Right Honourable
Baronet having stated that a despatch should be
sent to the Government of India with respect
to which there could be no mistake, he wished first
to know if such a despatch had been addressed to the
Government of India, and what was the result of the
despatch that had been sent to the Presidencies of Ben-
gal and Madras.—(Hear, hear.) He wished also to
know if such a despatch had been sent out to Ma-
dras, and not acted on by the authorities there ?
whether any censure had been passed upon the go-
vernment of Madras in this respect. He also wished
to know whether the Right Hon. Baronet would feel it
his duty to give to the House, or to withhold, the copy
of any such despatch.
Sir JOHN HOBHOUSE said that in answer to
the first question which his hon. friend had put to him,
he begged to say that not ten days after he had
given the assurance to which he had alluded, he had
done his best to carry the assurance into effect. On
the Bth of August a despatch was sent by him to the
Government of India upon the subject, the concluding
words of which were these—" We further desire that you
will make such arrangement as may appear to you neces-
sary for relieving from services, whether Christian, Maho-
metan, or Hindoo, any person who may refuse on account
of religious scruples." In consequence of this despatch
being sent to the Government of India Lord Auckland
applied himself to the subject, and the result was that
the pilgrim tax had been totally abol►shed and other
inconveniences put an end to. In answer to the question
of the Hon. Baronet whether he had any objection to lay
before the House the proceedings taken by the Go-
vernment of India in respect of those despatches, he
begged to say that not only had he no objection to do
so, but he thought it was his duty. With respect to
the other question, as to Madras—the Governor-Ge-
neral of India had addressed instructions to the minor Pr-
esidencies of Bombay and. Madras, in order that the steps
which had been adopted at Bengal might be adopted there,
and what Lord Auckland said in his letter of No-
vember, 1839, was that they knew nothing throughout
Bengal of such processions as those to which the
Bishop of London had alluded, nor were there any such
that he was aware of at Bombay ; it was only at Madras
that any such thing existed, and the Noble Lord said
that he had written to Lord Elphinstone o❑ the
subject. This was the answer that he had
to give to his Honourable Friend. Perhaps
before he sat down he might as well inform
his Hon. Friend that the Government found greater
difficulty in effecting these changes in the presidency of
Madras than in any other presidency. There were in
the Government more of these endowments for chari-
table purposes than in any of the others, and in
order to prevent them being divested from their
legitimate purposes, the collectors there certainly were
not natives, but British subjects, and it had engaged
the anxious attention of the Government, whether they
might not be enabled to transfer the care of these en-
dowments from British subjects to natives, without
suffering them to be diverted from the charitable pur-
poses for which they were originally intended. That
was the real difficulty, and which by one mode or
another the Government shortly hoped to be
able to get over. With respect to the attend-
ance of British troops he b,ilieved the Right
,Hon.
Baronet's apprehensions were by no means well
grounded. They were certainly called out to form the
escort of the Rajah of Travancore, but no complaint
had reached the Government from the officers in com-
mand as to these troops being improperly employed,
and he could give the Right Hon. Baronet his assur-
ance that these troops had not been called out to pay
honour to the idols or to assist in the religious ceremo-
nies. The troops never took any part in the ceremo-
nies or processions, and they were always drawn up at
a distance from the temples. He intended, in the course
of the evening, to move for papers which would give the
Right Honourable Baronet every information he re-
quired upon almost all the points he had referred to.
He might rest assured that the Government would not
relax its exertions, and so much having been done was,
he trusted, a guarantee that all that was required would
be accomplished. (Hear, hear.)
Sir R. INGLIS said nothing could be more satisfac-

On the motion for the further consideration of the
Report of the Committee of Supply, sth May last,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
moved to reduce the amount of the item for foreign
postage frem 64,0001. to 40,000/., being a reduction of
24,000/.
Mr. GOULBURN said he was as anxious as any
person the business of the House should proceed with-
out unnecessary delay ; but he felt little regret at a
postponement which had produced such an effect. He
thought, however, the sum still required extremely large,
as the Treasury and Colonial Offices took together but
15,000/. for postage. He thought the amount de-
manded for the Foreign Office still far beyond what
the necessities of the case required.
Lord PALMERSTON said the mistake had taken
place at the post.office. He had made very strict regu-
lations with respect to the parties who sent parcels or
letters in the foreign bags, and he hoped the amount
would be still further reduced in another year. He
would do all in his power to confine the amount within
those limits which the nature of the service would allow.
EXPEDITION TO EGYPT.
Mr. HUME, before the vote was agreed to, wished
to ask of the Noble Lord, or any one of the Govern-
ment present, whether there was any truth in the
report that a large military force was about to he dis-
patched to the Lvant ; they ought to know whether
the case was so or not.
Lord PALMERSTON said if they were to be
called upon to answer as to the truth of all reports
that were circulated, their labours would be very much
increased. If the Hon. Gentleman merely meant to
ask what was the policy of the Government upon the
affairs of the East, he would see that it 4as a question
which he (Lord Palmerston) could not answer.
Mr. HUME.—The Noble Lord did not know his
own policy, therefore it was not likely that he would
ask him any question upon it.—(A laugh.) The re-
port was that 3,000 troops were to be sent out ; he
would not ask them what they were going to do, for the
Noble Lord probably did not know himself, but the
House ought to be put in possession of the fact.
Lord PALMERSTON would only ask the Hon.
Member if he really believed the Report to be true ?
(Loud laughter.)
Mr. HUME said he did believe it because the report
bad had an effect upon the public securities. The infor-
mation had been given to him, and he thought the
Noble Lord ought to satisfy the House upon the point.
It was easy either to say yes or no.
Lord PALMERSTON—Then I say No.—
(Laughter.)
QUADRUPLE TREATY—SPAIN.

Sir R. PEEL would ask the Noble Lord a question,
which did not affect the foreign policy of the country.
He wished to know whether the contingency in reference
to the Quadruple Treaty entered into between this
country, France, Spain, and Portugal had arrived ?
whether the conditions were fulfilled ? or whether it
was still in force ?
Lord PALMERSTON said it sould appear that
the fair meaning of the parties when they entered into
that engagement was, that they would assist the Queen
of Spain in the contest which was going on with Don
Carlos. Substantially he conceived that the contest
was over, because Don Carlos had been expelled from
Spain, and not less than 27,000 of his troops had
crossed the frontier, into Prance, and were now within
that territory. He should say, virtually, that the contest
was over, but if the same state of things again arose, the
spirit of the treaty would be still in force, and the
parties would be bound by it.
Sir R. PEEL said with respect to any intestine
ON o u l d
noddedhave n
ao s s ot.
troubles wholly unconnected with Don Carlos, that
treaty, hepaAlApprmehEenßdsedr, w
The remaining resolutions were then agreed to.
Lapplication ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
brought up the Report of the Committee of Supply
(13th July).
Sir THOMAS COCHRANE begged to ask the
Noble Lord (Palmerston) whether the marines stationed
on the coast of Spain would be recalled now that the
war had terminated ?
Lord PALMERSTON said a communication had
been made to the Government of Spain as to whether
these troops were any longer necessary, and they had
not yet received an answer.

Some years ago I had an old man in my employ who
was a perfect specimen of the picturesque both in mind
and person. He was tall, lean, and bony. He had
been, the greater part of his life, a Quaker ; and, to the
day of his death, he wore the Quaker costume in its most
perfect primevality—his broad hat, half cock and half
slouch ; his drab coat of an ample length and breadth
of skirts ; his drab waistcoat, with flaps of such liberal
dimensions, that they afforded room for pockets as large
as those in most men's coats ; his brab breeches, fast-
ened at the knees with buckles ; his neat gray worsted
stockings, and capacious shoes, clasped with large steel
buckles.' At one time he had been baker at Ackworth
School ; at another, coachman to a very quaint and ec-
centric Friend ; and in the course of his life be had picked
up a good many shrewd notions and racy phrases
of his own. He was noted among his acquaintance
for a man of a " large religious experience." I once
casually overheard him conversing with a youth, who
seemed, from his remarks, to be a little sceptical, or
who was desirous to call the old fellow out on his fa-
vourite topics. " William," said he, "don't you think
it is all our overweening conceit that makes us fancy
that there is to be an eternity for us ?" " No," replied
William, " it is our stupidity that makes us doubt it.
We are poor creatures, Edward, we are poor crea-
tures ; we cannot open our hearts wide enough to com-
prehend God's goodness, and so we libel it. Put me
this great jug into that tea-cup." " Yes," said Edward,
" Do that yourself, William ; it's past my skill." " Well,
then, put me the sky into the crown of my hat."
—" Ab," said Edward, laughing, " that's rather better.
Yours is no trifle of a hat, William, certainly, but it won't
hold the sky—that's rather broader than your brims."
" Then," replied William, " how is such a little head
as thine to hold the love of God towards his creatures,
which, like God himself, the heaven of heavens cannot
contain ?"—" But," said Edward, " what kind of a thing
do you suppose a spirit is ? Do you imagine it a blue
thinnish thing like a mist, or a smoke that we could
see through ? What shall we be like, think you,
William ?"—" Like ! Why, I will tell thee ; the
spirit is the real man! We shall be like what we
are. What thou seest is only the shell, the
husk of the man—the spirit is the reel man."—
" What!" exclaimed the captious youngster, " do you
expect to rise, William, with your Quaker coat and bat
on ; with your cough, rheumatism, asthma, and all ?"
" No, no ! thank God ! no asthma. I expect delight-
ful breathing on the heavenly plains ; but I cannot
drive it into thee, that all these things are as much mere
husk as my old coat. The spirit is the actual man ;
and when I rise I count upon looking just as I do now,"
said the tall old man, rearing himself up to his full
height, and clapping his hands down the sides of his
thighs, as a soldier at the word " attention !" " only
rather younger, and a little handsomer."—William
Howilt, in Tait's .21fagazine.

tory than the Right Hon. Gentleman's answer so far as
regarded Bengal and Bombay, and he trusted that as
regarded the Presidency of Madras, measures would be
adopted to remedy the evil complained of.
Lord SANDON presented a petition from Liver-
pool, praying for an alteration of the duty on coffee.
Sir F. POLLOCK presented petitions in favour of
Church Extension and for the dismissal of Ministers,
from places in Staffordshire ; also a petition from some
place the name of which we could not catch, praying
that the funds devoted to the support of grammar
schools might not be diverted from their original ob-
jects, and petitions from Glasgow and other places,
praying for a remission of sentence for the Monmouth-
shire political offenders, and that they might be restored
to their families.
Mr. LABOUCHERE presented a petition from
Belfast against the Linen Trade Bill.
NOTICES OF MOTION.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
then brought up the Report of the Committee of Sup-
ply of the 24th of July.
ADDITIONAL SEAMEN.

On the question being put that the House agree to
a vote of 2,000 additional men for the navy,
Mr. HUME said he felt hound again to express his
opposition to the vote as being improvident and un-
called for. He would not take the sense of the House
upon the subject, but be should say " No," to the vote.
Lord PALMERSTON would not on the present
occasion go into a discussion with his Hon. Friend
on that subject, but he would merely state, as his
Hon. Friend had laid that the papers laid on the
table shewed that the English Government
had pledged itself to Mehemet Ali to sum
port him in the occupation of the districts of which ,
he was in possession, that if his Hon. Friend
had read the papers, he would have seen that no
agreement had been made, and that the English
Government was no party whatever to any guarantee
on9.2way_or the other.

Captain PECHELL gave notice that on Thursday
he should move for a return of the number of churches
and chapels built within the last ten years—at whose
expense they were built—how the funds were raised—
and how the proceeds arising from pew rents or other-
wise were applied.
Mr. HUME gave notice of his intention to move for
certain returns relating to the Court of Session in Scot-
land.

Sir JAMES GRAHAM wished to remind the
Chancellor of the Exchequer that on the 6th of June
he had moved for certain returns relating to the corpo-
ration of Cambridge, which had not yet been made.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
would make inquiries on the subject.
Mr. GOULBURN would also remind the Right
Hon. Gentleman that he had moved for certain returns
relating to the Pest Office, which had not yet been
made.

PRESTEIGN REFORM DINNER.—.We have
had a glorious gathering—upwards of a hundred good men and
true shook the hand of fellowship at the Oxford Arms, on
Tuesday, the 14th instant, and felt that the time for apathy had
passed away, that the representation of the county had, through
that apathy, been snatched from their hands, that to achieve
the freedom of Radnorshire is a work worthy of Britons, and
and that to accomplish the work, a union of Reformers should
forthwith take place. This was not a dinner of the Radnor-
shire Reformers generally, or the gathering would indeed have
been large ; it was an assembly of the Reformers of Presteign
and neighbourhood,
n d neighbourhood, and the meeting was composed of most of
respectable Liberals of the town and immediate vicinity.—
Hereford Times

Mr. G. PALMER gave notice that to-morrow he
would put the question to the Noble Lord the Secretary
for Foreign Affairs of which he had given notice
on Tuesday last for to-morrow.

FiNSBURY PREBEND BILL.
Mr. GREENE said, with respect to the Finsbury
Prebend Bill, the course he should suggest would be that
the Committee should meet to-morrow without any set-
tled number of Members—that they should report their
proceedings to the House so far—that the Re-
port should be brought up, and that the Bill
be recommitted, so that they might commence de novo,
and add a sufficient number of members to the
Committee, and late as it was in the Session, he trusted
they should be able to add Members sufficient. He
felt the difficulty was great, but he was not aware
that any other course could be pursued.
Mr. WAKLEY said, he did not object to the
course proposed, but as it was a deviation from the
Standing Orders, the House ought to know why it was
done. There was nothing he objected to more than the
taking technical objections for the purpose of obstruct-
ing a Bill.
COMMERCIAL TREATY WITH FRANCE.
Mr, BENJAMIN WOOD wished to ask the
President of the Board of Trade whether the commer-
cial treaty between this country and France was likely
to be concluded before the recess ; and whether, in
that case, it would be immediately brought into operation.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said he was glad the ques-
tion had been put to him, as he believed that consider-
able misapprehension prevailedin the public mind on
the subject. It was impossible that any treaty by which
it was proposed to lower the rates of duties
should be finally settled till it bad received
the sanction of Parliament.---(Hear, hear.) That

LUKEWARMNESS OF DISSENTERS.--51,s1Ut frt.
RoCH
RATES.--DISSENTERS OF HACKNEY.—During0
night there have been three Church-rate meetings in this parish,
where the Dissenters are probably as numerous and respectable
as any in part of the kingdom. Their chapels are computed to
seat between 8,000 and 9,000 persons. Yet, in the district of
West Hackney, where the oppesition to Church-rates has
always been strongest, on a two day's poll, not 150 persons
coald be found to vote against the rate ; in South Hackney,
sixteen hands were held up in opposition, and no poll called for ;
and in the mother parish, after a three hours' debate and during a
three days' poll, eighty persons (some of them Churchmen) re-
gistered their names against a compulsory rate ! Every body
in the parish, not a Dissenter, is asking what the terms con-
science, consistency, principle, and the like, which form the
burthen of so many speeches and petitions, signify in the vo-
cabulary of Dissent.

THE HOUSEHOLD SUFFRAGE PETITION.
The petition, which we last week stated had emanated from
the new Household Suffrage Association, has received no fewer
than 15,000 signatures—a pretty strong proof of the feeling
entertained by the inhabitants on the subject of Parliamentary
Reform. We may also state that amongst the persons aho
have appended their names to the petition are many gentlemen,
hitherto of the Whig party, who six months ago would sooner
have thrust their hands into the fire than have signed any such
document.--Leeds Times.

•
Mr. HUME had omitted to bring down Col. Camp-
bell's despatch with him, but that despatch assured
Mehemet Ali that the British Government would sup-
port him in retaining possession of the territories ceded
to him after the battle of Koniah, provided he would not
declare himself independent of the Turkish empire. It
was evident the Noble Lord had mistaken the purport
of his own instructions.
The item was then agreed to.
TRAFALGAR-SQUARE.
On coming to the vote for the Improvement of Tra-
falgar-square,
Mr. GREENE asked the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer
bad been would hesubscribed t
n complete give an
e tb
the Nelson
funds
Testimonial? If there were not, the erection of the
column in that area ought not to be allowed ; for if the
Testimonial were left unfinished, it would be a most
unsightly object.
Sir R. INGLIS said that the Testimonial Com-
mittee of which he had the honour to be a member,
had entered into a contract for completing the
whole of the column with its capital and
a statue at the top. They had in their
hands more than sufficient for this purpose, although he
was not sure that they had enough for all that they
would desire to do.—(Hear.) But there was no occa-
sion to be uneasy as to the effect of the column when
completed.—(Hear.)
Mr. PROTHEROE thought that the Government
was to blame for having given its consent to the erec-
tion of the column before they had ascertained that suf-
ficient funds for its completion had been collected. If the
Testimonial were to be left, denuded of its ornaments, it
would be a most unsightly and intolerable object. He
did not object to the amount of the grant for effecting
so great an improvement in so important a part of the
town.—( Hear, 'hear.) But he did not think sufficient
care had been taken to prevent the improvement from
being marred, .by the Testimonial being left in an un-
finished state. I ,1

Sir H. VIVIAN could not agree with the Hon.
Member who had spoken last, that the Government
were dese iag of censure for the course they had pur-

EVENING EDITION.

_ .
sued on this subject. He eoe.,,id assure the House that t five years he had been eentan " -.'-l• • • • eed tlsici Chinese ',ere in lilts in aid of the law of netione. rese.eeeniled of the
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1-1 an-, amps 11,`' Gcly"'"ivEett had taken they had hese earnest, and that the trade ' ll I ' ' ' T
, eseee notoest ; he was eon- or .1, :.-eie and of tee e , ... ee ,: e ~, s.
ere. : rl,, ,• - actuated only byl desi-e'., to do that which aee. right aea. vinced that a rueture must icon bre•out.All there /neeed taw 1)01 been en - up I • the Han. G-sel . e ••'
ofthe 'things all .*- . China, '-- ~ . '• ' " i' • • • .
most likely to meet v: i the itn n approbation
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER any steps for withdrawing frbm the country. agree to that, they knew Europeans well enough to
said that he tlid not think that was the most convenient The alleged want of notice, than, was a mere know that they did not like to be robbed or murdered,
time for discuesing the subject, while the papers con- fallacy, for the Chinese had long Islaown their deter- • and every Chinaman must be aware that we did not
sleeted with it remained still unprinted. He had no mined hostility to the trade. It was, then said, that in think it right either according to the law of nations or
doubt thaa when the time came, the subscription list defiance of the law of nations the Cliinese had placed in the law of nature.—( Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman
would be filled up. duresse a whole community of foreigners, in order to said the law of nature was applicable to the Chinese.
The vote was then agreed to, as were several others, reach the contraband goods of a portion. But we hail ' Nov was it according to the low of nature, when an in-
nn right to press the law of nations upon China, for she dividual wanted something of which a. other was pos'
WAR WITH CHINA. ,
did not exact that code from us, neither was that code sassed, to lay hold of a third party and keep him eon.
On the vote for the additional seamen to supply the
binding upon a nation which had never acktmowiedeed : fined midi the property desired was given up ? That
place of those engaged in the expedition to China being
i par_ o. _ le .aw 0. nature
i it, nor had anything to do in its forrriation. Beside:hie 1 wits . tf ti 1 't
with which
proposed,
g and acquainted, , _ • should never desire Mr. GLADSTONE said he could not allow the ' Principle 1 ' ' ' • '
1 of nte wet responsibility' wes acknowl -d ed ' ind with which he
acted upon in England. If a riot took place in a bun- ; become acquainted.—(Clieers.) Tee Hon. Gentleman
present opportunity to pass without at all events calling
dred, and damage was done to property, the inhebitents, said that tee duresse consisted merely in refusing them
the attention of the House to and entering his pro-
'the great majority of them innocent parties, were held ' passports. Did the Hon. Gentleman think he sail'
test against the expedition in question. It might be
responsible for the damage. NV by then' should we be talking of Paris, or Turin, or Downing-street ?
asked what advantane he proposed to himself in bringing
surprised that a nation like the Chinese should act upon Mr. GLADSTONE-4 said, something equivalent
the question under consideration then, at that late pe-
tlile same natural. principle ? It wasito be remembered to a refusal of passports.
rind, when lie could not hope to stay the arms- the
it
in was
Chinaia e v ideateha
Sir JOHN HOBHOUSE denied that it was merelY
meet in any way. The answer was that during the pre-
t t was not e.ngag.-0 , the opliT:
equivalent to a refusal of passports. If lie were to ask
sent Session he had not seen an opportunity of interfering
trade, and these were the parteeshwh
du evidence placed ' his Noble Friend for a passport to Paris, and instead of
with success or with any hope of preventing the armament
resse.h He contended that all t e went to
giving him one, he were to shut 'him up without aril
from proceeding. He was afraid that he would not
show t that the Chinese merely demanded the. per-
thing to eat, would that be equivalent to a refusal of
find any great body of persons to agree with him sonh of Mr. D.ent, because he tees the gentleman
in
passports ? Certainly he would not get his passport,
in protesting against the olejects of that arma- w o stood highest in the estimation of hot
but neither would he get his dinner. (Cheers and
meet. That was not now the question.—(Hear,
hear.) It was not now a voluntary movement on his the Chinese and the British, and therefore that they
laughter.) But then they were permitted a certain degree
would be able to make better terms with him than any
part—it was now a positive demand made on the part
other,
water occasionally—in other words, they were not per'the British residents having positively refused t of liberty ; their servants were permitted to bring their
of the Government for a vote of money in support of
an expedition, the objects of which it was due to give that gentleman up, because parties in the cause of
mitred to die of thirst. True, they were not ultimately
,
quarrel, and were liable to all the responsibilities at-
starved to death, but no thanks to the Hon. Gentleman's
the Noble Lord and the Government to say,
thaacdll to the refusal. Then it was said that the Chinese
friend, Commissioner Lin, that this did not happen.
were honestly and plainly declared. The Noble
insulted her Majesty's representative. In what way
Lord in the early part of the Session plainly (Cheers.) They owed their preservation mainly to the
did he appear in that character ? The Government might
stated that the objects of the armament were
know th. e ofthe Captain .
hisEliot—(Loudknew
own position ; but had the Chinese ever received
Brifisr!the station of difficulty and of danger, had rescued them
the English flag ; 'second, compensation for in-
any otherrc light_ than as a superintendent of
from their situation ; and, notwithstanding the speech
juries inflicted on the property of British subjects ;
he
waslh commerce rnfe hey. He was not evea a Consul, certainly
and the wishes of the Hon. Gentleman, he hoped it
and third, security for our commercial inter-
o ahi her rode, and not entitledl
course for the future. The statement of those
to thenot
• would eventually prove that he bad saved their propertY
objects was a challenge to the House, which he, for one, to be the privilegesße of at publicnrihineist minister. But him
also.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman had gone so far
did not, in his conscience, feel he should be justified
not demand ithreesen'ative aft
Queen,
lliot untilneliseeh(aid as to say that this conduct on the part of the Chinese
in allowing to pass altogether unnoticed. He was identified himself detention'
Captain
•
with the opium traffic by the re- was no violation of natural justice, and that d claratioa
struck him as being almost as curious e en as
as some Lan,
not allowed to enter into the general question whether
fusel to give up Mr. Dent, and declared that he
a warlike expedition ought or ought not under all the
would defend the opium ships. The ° ractical upshot which the Hon. Gentleman had said when the subject
circumstances of the case to be sent against China.
of theproceedings of the Government' Phi
.was to say that , they was last debated in the House. Was it no violation of
He would leave to the prerogative of the Crown ~on • ,natural justice to lay hold of persons for the purpose of snore determined to carry on the opium trade, in spihtee
getting possession of their property ?—(Cheers.) Ac'
and her Majesty's Ministers the responsibility of the
of the
seize se authorities. The Chinesei had not
I,t
er
cording to his views, the conduct of the Chinese was Ot
expedition ; but there was one of the three objects enu-
merated by the Noble Lord the Secretary for the power to theopium ships ; they iad
boat; i co,
ding
such a violation of justice as to be abhorrent to the
means of puttingh they down the traffic whichthey they a n -
feeling; of every subject of a free state,but to those eves
Colonies, which, if he interpreted his language right, did
Hated thantt those put in force, and werde nothe of ,
tell subjects of the greatest tyranny in ehe worlo•
appear to call for some expression of sentiment on the
hmlaeaasduarefs o cruelty. The opium ea ships had shed she
it ,d, ,
File Hon. Gentleman towards the conclnsion of his
part of that House : he meant the object of demanding
the
lChinese ; and, alas . one Queens ship had, .sign had made use of those eloquent appeals which
from the Chinese Government a full compensation for .1 November last shed the blood of hundreds of na-
were so familiar to him. He said there was a feeling
the opium surrendered in the mouth of August, 1839. 'titres, without any case of danger to justify such
hae
of justice, of morality, and of religiora gradually gran"'
If he was wrong in that interpretation of the language
course. He could assure the Noble Lord that t •
ing up in this country. Now he 'hoped lie might SOY
of the Noble Lord, he might save time if he were at
time would soon come when the people of England
that these feelings had attained to a full growth in this
once corrected. He would set aside the general policy
would be amazed to find that the Government nan
of the war, and lie would set aside even that which was country, long and long ago--(Cheers)—and that feel'
gone to war upon a demand for compensation, under all
more immediately connected, nay, substantially con-
netted with the ing the Hon. Gentleman lead said would become for-
the circumstances of the case : that upon such grounds
present subject--he meant the effect of inidable to the Government if it became predom ill we had spilled innocent blood, which cried aloud for
the present expeeLtion upon the opium trade itself. It was the House of Commons. as it was becomingi i inn
n the
vengeance. He trusted they would be able to retrace
right it should be known, while so much feeling was country, if they continued the course they had entered
their steps before fatal consequences ensued, for the
on relating to China and the opium question. Now, II
entertained in this country upon the subject of the con-
indignation of the people of England would, before tinuance of the opium trade, bow direct an influence that would ask, what feeling of justice, ' • °'
of morality, or long, work awful retr;bution.
expedition had exercised upon the promotion of that religion had been exhibited by those atrocious monsters
Sir JOHN HOB HOUSE—Although there is no : a
in the conduct they had pursued towards the English
trade.—(Hear, hear.) He was not left to inference to
doubt at all that the Hon. Gentleman is fully justified at Canton ? He was convinced that that growing
justify the statement of such a proposition, but a few
in the course he has taken upon a money vote, he could feeling in the country would support the Governmen
figures of the most undeniable character would establish
it beyond the possibility of doubt. The Calcutta sales not see ivhat earthly good could accrue from the in the part which they thought it their duty to take iii
of opium in January were, for Patna opium 437 rupees statement of the Hon. Member. The Hon. Gentleman
reference
to this question. He was not afraid that the
a chest, and for Benares opium 416 rupees a chest, By had given some good reasons why he had delayed his verdict of the country should be passed upon their eon'
the nsonth of February it became notorious in statement ; he (Sir J. H.) was only astonished that duct, and he was sure that that verdict would be the
Calcutta that an expedition was to be despatched he had thought it right to make it at all. He had same as the one already pronounced by the illustrious
said that if he had brought it forward sooner he would not warrior and statesman to whom he had alacad allude'
to China, and at the sailes in February the price
have met with any support either in that or the other
—(Loud cheers)—which was, that they., were not onlY
of Patna opium rose from 437 to 610 ice have
of Parliament. That he had taken a just view justified in the course which they we, re' " rsuing, but
pees a chest, and the price of Benares opium
of the matter was evident from the look of the beeches that there was no other course open ten- themipn : pursue'
rose from 416 to 550 rupees a chest. But he
behind him—one star after another had faded from and that it it would be contrary to ever -of .ilit'
would not dwell in detail upon that subject.
the view under the oration of the Hon. Gentleman. rice, of humanity, and of religion , to truckley: feelingto those
He might well question the policy of the armament,
He (Sir J. H. did not think himself called upon to whom the Hon. Gentleman had refused to rank arno4
even on the ground of expediency alone, without any
follow the Hon. Gentleman through all his details, tor the civilized nations, and to submit to insults and in oriel
allusion to principle. It any Gentleman acquainted
best of all reasons—that the debate was a mere rechau- from them which no other power in the world Woui",
with public affairs in connexion with pecuniary results— best
laugh.) In the early' part of the Session three be permitted to offer us with an • ) (ceeerSl
if the Noble Lord himself were asked if he considered f
clays had been spent in discussion, a decision had been He did not know to what the GentlemanHoPnuni'..-- 111:
the expedition would be of advantage to England—if he
conic to, no doubt not satisfactory to the Hon. Gentle- luded when he said the country was ow' akin toe joss
consiaered the question of claim could be enforced—
man, but undoubtedly much so to the country, and he sense of the cause of the war ; he thou htgthe Vesr.
what would be his reply ? Here was a demand made
fully believed that the Hon. Gentleman stood alone, or tics) had been sufficiently discussed ong the 9th 0
of' two millions, and an armament was sent out to en-
nearly so, in his wish to revive, at the present moment, force it, for which the demand, it was true, according April ; but he would eneage to say that out of that: the asperities of the discussion. Since April the Cona• House, or the other House of Parliament,
to the present vote, would be only 173,000 for the pre-
pensation Committee had sat. He presumed that that Hon. Gentleman
would not get twenty men to sympathize,
sent, but every one who had taken any part in the dis-
Committee was somewhat fairly chosen, and that it had with his views.--(Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman said
cession of the vote had admitted that this was a mere
fairly attended to the duties imposed on it ; yet they they had no right to ask for compensation. Certainly, acici
mouthful, a mere sample of the etpense which the ex-
reported nothing but the evidence taken before them. cording to the views of the Hon. Gentleman, they c°e's
pedition must ultimately entail on the country—but
The proceedings of the Hon. Gentleman that night not be justified in asking it.; but according toms view'
suppose the armament to be conducted according to
they oughth to make the Chinese pay something more. Pert;
would have the same result. He might be reported, the calculation which the Chancellor of the Exche-
but it would be nothing more than the proceedings. It Papshe cs.htuvou d . wish theta to send out 100 more inerche?
quer had made on
proposing
the vote, and which cal-
also would have no result. The Hon. Gentleman had to
stoner to tbenl:nsinulted
gentle duresse, and another Commis' culation he must confess was a curiosity in its way.
complained that the price of opium had been greatly heiT•s.) He had not touchedt.
Suppose that this should turn out to be the cheapest
on many topics of the enhanced by the proceedings of the Government. No be
he need not say more.— Cheers,)
speech, o,'
war on record, what was to prevent the Chinese from
i3°.. eers.) He had .
.doubt th© price of opium had risen greatly, but shown, nor was there any in• h(
saying that at war they would grant all our demands—
one i; e House. who could Iv°
it had done so in consequence of the monstrous derstand what e
from paying the compensation demanded, and from
,earthly benefit could 1.1 frog raising it by the imposition of duties upon the legiti- absurdities of the Chinese Government. It the speech of the Hon. Gentleman.,A poi,sluty accrue
mate exports, the tea and the silk ; such a tax would be was the seizure of the opium, and its destruction at Mr. A. CAMPBELL k Loud cheers.) e
~.f
sufficient—and he had not conversed on the subject with Canton, that had caused the great rise in price. He justice. He did not • . said the question. was 0n,.. v,
wish to cast ;Any imputations on Cap'
any Gentleman who had not considered that such had a letter from Lord Auckland, stating that so great tain Elliot, as he had no doubt, that- all had done 11°' would be the means adopted by the Chinese had been the rise in the price of opium that our small been by positive orders. The. 'fact of the son of the Vice'
for raising any compensation that they might vessels had brought over no less than 30,000/. worth roy having built two boats for 'the opium trade was 'noel,'
require. Thus the English people would be twice of fine silver, but that was long before any arma- an isolated one—he might h aye done so without his fa'
taxed., once to defray the costs of the expedition, ment :was spoken of, or before it was possible that the tahmenesEiiin, knowledge—thef trade had been carried on in Car
and again in the article of tea and silk to pay' the coin- intention of the Government could be known. Ti
- -me twin Elliot
soannc tioancetodry
pensation. But he would not dwell at length upon Hon Gentleman had done them the justice to say that held answerable for the,wines trade, Parliament Parliamdent ought too,
this part of the subject, because it presented itself in a he did not charge the opium trade either upon the Go- liot's dispatches showed he was cognizant of Captain Eh
go..
vernment at home or that of India. That was most ing on. An illustriotas individual in anotherw what
baa
higher aspect ; every one felt that there was the greatest
inoritl responsibility resting on those who provoked a war undoubtedly true ; it had received the sanction of no given a hasty opinion. on the subject.—(lronicel cheers.)
less than three Committees of that House ; nay he would He would admit that that illustrious person was; not in ille
—that the waste of bunion life, of property, and of hap-
even go farther, and say that the opium trade had re- habit of forming hasty opinions, but on this, occasion 11
pines, was such as demanded the strongest and most
coined the tacit approval of that House itself. In had donedi so..—th (Lov.d cheers from the Ministerial benches''
invincible necessity to justify the entering upon hostili-
-1833, when Mn. Grant so ably presided over the Board 1-1
of
some denied
ite was aet nabll the opium had been delivered upr;
ties. Was there in this case such a necessity—was the
at the head of which he was now so unworthily placed,Captain board ships at the tirae, under the let,
claim on the Chinese Government for this compensation
guns of
he stated the whole facts of the opium trade, and only
,gauard-ships. How could t°„
founded on justice ?—(Hear, hear.) His object at that Chineee, therefore, think
tli t he In s dealing fairly L,
one Member in the House (Mr. Buckingham) was them ? It was. his
moment was Lot to cast blame on Captain Elliot. He
duty as a Consul es olio
found to complain of it, and he did not find a seconder- commerce from being carried to prevent any e
~,,
said this because it would be necessary for him fie- found
he had not do:, 'OO
Ile Hon. Gentleman then charged that we were the The country and the East India C.Company deril uto
aggressors in place of the Chinese. Now they had small advantage from this trade.,
to cast the least imputation on him, and although he
only to deal with the facts of the proceedings at Canton, reeans of payingash it afforded thorn the
disapproved of his conduct, yet he believed that, in the balance to
_at e. Chinese in the
.°,3;
and he would take the liberty to say that he was en- for tea. Had the letter to •
March, 1839, affairs had reached such a pass, that it
'C ptain . Elliot, statinet, !'„;
tirely at a loss to know by what moral feeling the Hon, Government would
was impossible for him, let him have adopted what
not be responsible for the seis`d
Gentleman was actuated in characterising the proceed- opium, been published in China, it would have exonerated
course of conduct he might, to have extricated himself
legs as he had done that night—he could not see by him from blame; but that letter had never beer,'exp°nblis-a
front the dilemma. Neither was it his intention to pre-
what obliquity of vision it was that he could look at the in China. Through the whol a of these trinasaction°
judice the character or the claims of the merchants, the
atrocious conduct of the Chinese at. Canton and calmly Captain Elliot had not made known that teeter, which he
subjects of her Majesty, who were interested in this
characterise it as a mere national ebullition of feeling ought to have done. With regiird to the individuals de,:
question. The characters of those gentleman stood
natural to human frailty. Now if the Hon. Member tattled, if they were smugglers tt ley vvoulne have been, dealt
among in the commercial world, and there were
were so tender of the Chinese, he hoped that he would 1 ev,itehd
imoretrh,ardly in this country, as they would have been,
among them many houses not surpassed in
1 fi i
.n la e ten., s the amount of the goods, or cominittel
allow the House of Commons to ,eel some
any part of the world for honour, integrity, and
for one—na - for men of tl . tenderness to prison. Surely the act of the oh' WO
inese, therefore, , e
enterprise, and he had no doubt that it was more their
been a, ,y . eeir fellow-subjects, who had surrounded the factory, and • ‘-'
said that they should not be
misfortune that they had been employed in this traffic. treated. at Canton in such a manner as to make it set at liberty until they had •
gaven up the opium in the impossible for one tie. t • -* justifiable.—( Hear
--(Hear, hear.) It was, however, monstrous to mat(;-
but . to -thinking man to dwell Port. was
hear.) Blood had beel
thin that the opium merchants should be the oly suf- upon with feelings of' horror and indignation. shed, which would not (Hen'.,
een the cane haj
forers and bear the whole loss ; their claims had been Even if Captain Elliott was not her Majesty's he sent down a force t 0 seize ' • .__( Hear" the opium.
'this was a trade that he, advanced not against the Chinese but the British representative—if he was only a man belonging to the ' e, d been forced upon the Chinese'
Government, and though their claims had been dis- same species as themselves, they ought to hear of such No onehwe'anctehtithe ter
~,ernmen. to
t station guarda costar
owned, still the circumstances under which that had proceedings.h as he was subject to, with the same feeling f 3 alongrit
is the
nation oeuseeSe oast, but the represereative of the
: fie taken place rendered it necessary for him to say a few h
his lace
the Duke of Wellington so nobly expressed in felt obliged. to the ;dt not to have sanctsonea it.
ear
un. Member for Nereark for bringlues
words upon it. The holders of opium contended that p ace hi Parliament. He was astonished to find forwas-; his motio•
otol"
a, and he trusted the c;overnment W ~,
in of the guarantee of Captain Elliot the Hon. Gentleman deny that there was any count- eome out of tali,. '
consequence
, affair without inflicting disgrace on t" they were entitled to compensation. Now the Go- nonce at smuggling on the part of the Chinese author;_ country.
vernment having repudiated his acts, he did not see how ties. He had read Mr. Lindsey's pamphlet. The T:100. Sir C. GR'Ey said that wi •
th rneard to the illustration
very well they could keep him in office.—(Hear, hear.) Gentleman had said (and he confessed it was w,:al asto_ of the law of nature and nations a -.°
- I '"''
y the Hon. Gent ern .0
Now who had been the real gainersby the opium trade but nishment he had heard him) what objection >.ould there he had been grievous)
y disappointed. He attributed thie
these individuals, and they were but the agents of another be to a State confiscating a contraband ar' j e WI to the constraint winch Hon G .
the under e • -'y i ' • • eatlernen opposite laboure.
power—the Government of India. The conduct of the certainly if it were put in that way tar_re could he no in not permitting themselves to argue this upon
East India Government was fully sanctioned by a Com- objection, but the query was, how confiscated ? In broad points, but upon petty, trivial, and warped consider°.
mittee of the House of Commons, and therefore the what manner?—(Cheers.) Confiscated by seizures of n
nioennst,. solely h witheeta a view Not.,ot., cast blam e upon the Govern;
House should take its full share of the blame. But the person—(Loud cheers)—by subjecting' the persons illegal policy pursued t one
of them had adverted to tllseci
of the merchants to that gentle duresse whichhad been lawof andby nationsthe Chines e with regard to 1"0,
the Indian Government had been the real gainer by
the opium trade, and there could be no doubt that the so agreeably described by tlee Hon. Genii •which treated einan,
unnatur!"
largest part of' the profit came into its coffers. The claim consisted. in shutting them up in the gentlest manner— unsocial policy, by excluding all na lions fromn their terT
of the owners of the confiscated opium was one which he permitting, said the Ho.a. Gentleman, their servants to tories—but, unlike the Japanese, tlaey acted a double par,'
hoped that Government and the Parliament would one attend upon them ; but if those servants happened to be and did not carry out the prohi Onion to its full ext"l".
day recognise. But it did not follow that the claim now Englishmen they were shut up too—( Cheers)—and Having permitted a trade, they had attempted to riaen-
cite irepossiiehties ;
this the Hon. Gentleman described as the common they had endeavoured to keep a c°/11.;
made on the Chinese Government should be sanctioned.
merce tor their own exclusive et and benefit' free
course of things.—(Cheers.) The Hon. Gentleman use ; that
' It was generally supposed that because the Chinese
the main and ervadinl,J
said the merchants had no right to expect any Other mischievous cause of all 'that .--a
were barbarous, and inhospitable, and insulting to
ensued. ThePopium
t should not treat them with as much treatment, for the autleorities of Canton had given beyond the . fade in India had been sas tablishe
possibility of . ,-
s rangers, we
good proof that they were • -revocation, Deem 11013 ;bl
justice as we treated other nations of whose man- in earnest. Why, if a man then, could the present Board of Cont 1 ' sidere
roved. The Honourable Gen- had stopped another.. on the highway, and his refusal
on answerable for it ? It began when Control tae con ,„,
ners we more app .
to deliver his •
money blew his brains en Mr. Dondas ceased ‘1,4
tleman then read extracts from the testimony out, that would be lay the India Budget •
before P l ow'
of Mr. Jardine, Captain Elliot, and others, to showgivingpretty good
proof that he was in earnest ; but ask the Noble Lord the Member fore
iameren, and he w
..0
tbe 0
ember for L iverpool if '
that in these respects the Chinese were misrepresented, would that be any reason for s lying that it would be was any tradition in •
his family as to w'nr, were the Incli°, and that they were, in fact, amiable, hospitable, and right to blow out the brains of another man travelline Ministers from 1795 to 1829 ? Those • the person'
obliging to strangers. The demand for compensation the same way, because he had. had proof that the rob-
who were answerable for th ' wire ' de"
e omen trade. Hon. Gen.
founded on this—that the Leisure was unjust in its hers were in earnest?—(Cland 1 men had little •
wasif:ers aughter ) The very considered rile nature o f trade, if we'
character, and was carried into effect by unlawful British Government had a right to • • *
inquire if it wis the considered that it was as easy e to
Ministers
or the pres ent . t s
means. This he denied. The connivance at the opium proper way of showing they
Were in earnest— '
(Ulcers) door that
put a stop totrade .'
a once established, as it was to shut , trade, which was alleged in justification of that trade, —to take 100 men and shut them u tellin was open so as to occasion person: il inconvenience'
had been proved to be very limited in its character ; if they did not give up th • p, . g them that Neeh opium trade was cart.' dleon by all ants is
merch lir
. . their Property within a given time
and to have ceased, three years before the seizures, as their provisions should be d country who trafficked with China, and he thoego,
~herct wally withdrawn from that universality should go a great way in , •justifying it' e'io
far as it depended upon the officers of the Government. them, until at length they Should have nothing to sub- was assured too, that if the Government had attemptee -,
It was objected also, that the confiscation was unjust, sist on.—(Cheers.) It as true they were not starved, sacrifice such a trade they could not h sve succeeded' jase
and was not in accordance with the laws and usa es of but why ? Because those
menaces produced the de- the entire commercial interest of this country would ea
the Chinese themselves. But, in face, notg only sired effect the '
was confiscation the natural and universal punish- Chinese behaved faoPiluna was
given ::.p. But had the brought to beard dagaiest them. The vet 7 character of tine
Chinese had they behaved honestly after
for Chinesetheywrenreearefiniwtedifficul to settle tl Le trade with tsiteivoi
meat of smuggling, but it had been before re- it had been given WF,,re the Englishmen theof
f e nation,gna i
.t who woTl old not c odn
tdne
ee..
ter
sorted to in China as the punishment of the particular better for having givenP itto meet useon a footinrgy
up
nNo.---(Cheers.) 'The
into any agreement, or at least equality
yto a ley refused
wil"ich
offence—the smuggling of opium. It was also said that bargain had been broken thebyf. Chinese, and the duresse both countries might find beneficial. 1 Yhaegrfieresmt thing,'";
the Chinese Government was not justified in confiscat- continued on the most lous pretexts. But it his cpinion, to be done was to force Ihe Chinese to )noel
ing opium that was not in the river of Canton. But it appeared, according to the Hon.riv°'
Gentleman's statement, their pretensions, and to negotiate wit th us for the mute°
could not be pretended that the seas of China that the Chinese kept
c them on 'account of their strong interest of the two nations—(l fear, hear, hear) did not extend far beyond that river; and affection for them—(Cheers and laughter)—and the and when the Chinese consented to assume suc"of
an instance had occurred before in which opium reason they asked for and
to be sent to Canton position,
the shouldl consider that th a question was neelotif
belonging to foreigners was seized off the port of Maeao, was, not to inflict any • '.
(cheeinjury upon him, but because he brought oa
tcoo;itc conclusion, and that we might eon"
Captain Elliot had complained that the proceedings was so popular.— (Cheers rt.nd hiughter.) But. they had look forward satisfactory adjus
,tmer,t. osit°
were harsh, and abrupt, and unexpected. But was it not waited for the other the city . Lord SANDOs N sad that Ho a f 'eotlemen °FP the
m erebal its to comic into
had confined tfiem without. pot a rig t 0
ce,,oci,
the three previous years, warning foreigners not to per- Could the Hon. Gentlemaney nature of' its commerce, but he w,
sist in this trade, and the Government gave the most I h h I k
le _e..evet. Le reasthew,tbn a graveiutllorlenees sayseitt that
i how such a doctrine could be man
snub antcda lossfine held cn;
difh•rent sentiments on the, i.ect, as he COuld rfc'e°r
unqualified proofs of its earnestness to put down dint Mr. Dent was, not to make I 'niseeseo'f him as a hostae for
I tirely
1 thiek that any Government mole . be- compoke to 5°
~,
trade? When the Chinese took the unusual mode of but because he was . Ula' r •-' The Hon. Gentle:fen'
tait).Triade tTo continue which wes of r 11,.! most lioxious was
Appealing to this country—this being against their own had tell kthat L
11.1_ teem teariPleaPw of nations seas not quite hat eas the tread prim mciple at issue, and ' _en,
maxims, ought to have been taken as a proof of their applicable to the Chinese. He really did not kuow i with. '
, a view to it that the entire Question •rloulel be con-
sincerity sincerity ; but if that was not, when they threatened to ! according to what -I-1 C rules the nn. eeuteeinan would have I sidered. The Chin.,se in f ' ' • [ which they
send
en for crag the rig it e Led re-
send off with ignominy the Superintendent—an officer ' the Chinese dealt with. According to the Hon I pesses,ea to r I' . .
cows,
to
soneigetu
.a.tsetrtah‘}eidr. own trade, might litt:::.
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recognised by themselves—if he did not send ~way the Gentleman, they were such an erniable people that i;
1 more
e.,.
a,.
but
'nary proceedings
lake' intor receiving ships, surely any sane man must have seen that would be disgraceful to tneat the as I h •
in itir arzens and 1 ilis.ed h. ones. the
p wii(
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shouldl
aiii
thei,
the Chinese were determined to put a stop co the opium yet they were ;lot to be treated like a civilized' people • censitieratain th • ,••
ifliear:h •4 that "'''PHee did not
iee rior strength'..--1(
trade. A gentleman of the greatest experience in China, , (Chesrs)—they were not. an tenable to the law' nationsoi
the cite eir hear.)
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i think, therefore, that the •: could be judge V'
shoo
Mr. Inglis, said before the Committee, that for four or but the Hon. Gentleman stepped ' with •
in a species of I
by ordinary rules, and he felt ' case;bat due dnowance

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