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consequent upon it to these poor people?—T• these poor
people, abstractedly, I think it has been hitherto a dis-
advantage ; decidedly so.
Where have they found other habitations ?—ln the
courts about Drury-lane very much, and the lower parts
of Westminster.

But have they found them ?—Yes, they have squeezed
in somewhere ; they have been obliged to do so.
When you have stated they hare squeezed in, have
there been any now habitations in any of the neighbour-
ing districts for them ?—No, not to any extent, not to
meet the circumstances of those poor creatures.
Do you think, then, that the removal of those people
has tended rather to accumulate population in already
extremely peopled districts?—l have no doubt of it.
And in that way it would have created a greater in-
convenience in some other portion of the metropolis ?
No doubt about it.

Are you convinced of the fact?—Certainly; several of
my Rookery acquaintance that have been removed,
sweep the crossing of the streets, and I stop every now
and then and ask where they are lodging, and I find
them, as far as I am able to discover, moved almost in-
variably to the dense rookeries of the town; many in
Westminster, and about Drury-lane.
But the lower parts of Westminster have been greatly
improved of late years?—Yes, in same parts it is so; but
not hitherto much to aid such poor persons.
There are some parts now covered with decent streets
and decent habitations that used to be bad?—There
are few persons who know, but those whose duty it has
been, what is behind the curtLdn: you pass through a
decent street, and some of the streets eve n at the west
end of the town; but only get . behind them, lift the
curtain up, and there is misery, filth, and wretchedness,
beyond what most people imagine, very often to be seen.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
MANSION-HOUSE.
RAILWAY MATTERS. Mr. P. Scanlan, Mr. TV.
Killick, and Mr. 11. Flight, were brought before the
Lord Mayor, in the custody of John Forrester, upon the
charge of having conspired to defraud Mr. Margetson,
carpet manufacturer, of Aldermanbury, of 1001., under
the circumstances mentioned below.
Mr. Humphreys appeared for the prosecution, and Mr.
Hobler attended for the prisoners.
Mr. Margetson said, on the 30th of November, Mr.
Scanlan was brought to my office and introduced to me
by a Mr. Fennell, as a highly-respectable gentleman,
who wanted the advance of a sum of money on railway
shares, upon which the company had advertised to re-
tern 11. 12s. 61 per share of the deposit of 2/. 12s. Gd.
to the holder of certificates after the first of De-
cember. Mr. Scanlan confirmed the account given by
Mr. Fennell, and produced several pieces of paper
purporting to be certificates of the Direct Lincoln
East Retford and Sheffield Railway Company, saying
that the advertisement, stating the intention to return
11. 12s. Gd. per share, appeared in the Times newspaper.
I told him I thought he had better go to the company's
offices and receive the money, but he said he was secre-
tary to a Railway Company himself, and he knew the
difficulty of getting directors together, and it was more
than probable the first time they were called together
k the meeting would be postponed, and some time might
elapse before the payment of the money ; and as he was
in want of money to make up some differences, he would
rather make a little sacrifice than not be able to obtain
it. I asked him how much ho wanted. He answered
100/. for two months, and he would give .5/. fur
the use of it, and a bill, or promisory
note for the amount, as well as an authority
to sell the shares, which he offered as collateral security,
if the bill was not properly met. I asked him if they
were his own shares, and if they were allotted to him.
He replied that they had not been allotted to him, but
they were his own shares, and he had paid 31. premium
per share for them. I told him I should be glad to be
referred to any one as to his respectability, and he told
me he could give me a reference both as to his respect-
ability and his responsibility, and he accordingly ref erred
me to Mr. Killick, No. 6, Bank-chambers, who, he said,
did a great deal of business for him. He left me a certi-
ficate of five shares, and I called next day at 6, Bank-
chambers, and saw Mr. Flight, and asked him
if his name was Killick. He replied in the affirma-
tive, and asked me what I wanted. I told him
had been referred to him as to Mr. Scanlan's
respectability, and he said it is all right ; the company
has advertised to return 1/.1125. 6d. a share. Mr. Scan-
lan is a highly respectable man. We call him Doctor
Scanlan. If he had applied to us we should most wil-
lingly have let him have 100/., but I suppose he did not
wish us to know he wanted money. Then said I there
can be no risk in advancing the money. No, said he ;
and I then went away. When next I saw Mr. Scanlan,
he called my attention to an advertisement in the Times,
postponinglthe meeting till the 22d of December. I
told him I was not quite satisfied to advance the money
without seeing the secretary to the company ; and I
asked him where the offices of the company were. Ile
said he did not think there was any office at all in town,
and that he had seen the Times advertisement of the sth
November, and there was no address given to it. I
said something about not parting with the money
till next day, but he stated that he wanted the money
very particularly, as he was obliged to go to the
country that evening, upon which I gave him a cheque
for 100/., and I drew a bill upon' him for 1051. 10s.,
which he accepted, and, at the same time, he gave me a
letter, authorising me to sell the shares if the bill should
not be taken up. The odd money was, with ss. more, to
go to Mr. Fennell as commission.
The LORD MAYOR—As commission upon this bill
transaction ? Mr. Margetson—Yes. Next morning I
saw him in Aldermanbury, and he told me he had another
100 shares, and he wanted an advance of another 1001.
upon them. I made some remark as to his having fre-
quently said he had no more shares, and also as to his
having said he was going into the country last evening.
He replied that he had dined in the country on the day
before, and he assigned as a reason for having more
shares that he had expected to get more money upon
them from another quarter, but had been disappointed,
and he preferred having his shares all in one hand to
hawking them about. He produced the Times of the sth
of November, and also the Times of the 2d of December,
to shew that the advertisement was repeated, as to the
intention to pay back 11. 12s. 6d. a share. On looking
at one of them I observed the address No. 14, Fish-street-
hill. He left the other hundred shares with me, and I
called at the office of the company, at 14, Fish-street-
hill, four times without seeing any body. Mr. Scanlan
called upon me afterwards, and I put him off till two
o'clock next day.
Mr. Humphreys—Did you afterwards find out who
the solicitors to the company were? Witness—l did;
and I found out the secretary, and one of the directors.
Mr. Humphreys—And have you reason to believe,
from what you learned from them, that the advertise-
ments were forgeries, and that those shares are merely
duplicate shares? Mr. Margetson—l have.
Mr. nobler objected to the course of examination as
irregular.
Mr. Goodman (the Chief Clerk) said the magistrate
was justified in having questions put for his own satis-
faction, to enable him to judge of the animus with which
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Mr. Margetson, in continuation, said—after I saw the
director, I saw Mr. Scanlan, and told him I found out
that the whole was a swindle, and it looked much as if
a fraud had be
en practised on me. I said the
advertisements were forgeries. He said he knew
nothing about it. I asked him then whose shares they
were, and he said they were Mr. Killick's. What, said
I, the very man you referred me to for your res p"t a bitty?—(Laughter)—and the place where
you have made
a bill payable? I then asked him how
many shares he
had altogether? and he said 250, and if I was not satis-
fied with his bill, Killick would give me his bill for
the amount. Flight was present at the time, and said
the shares were perfectly good, and the advertisements
were not forged, and he did not think Killick would
have any objection to put his name on the bill. Doctor
B— was present at the time, and said he had seen the
secretary, who told him it was a genuine advertisement,
as he had searched the Registry•office, and he knew
30,0001. had been paid up, and that money belonging to
the company had been removed from the original bankers
to a private bank of one of the directors at the West-end,
in order to prevent an attachment in the Mayor's Court
against it. Mr. Killick and Mr. Scanlan afterwards called
upon me, and Mr. Killick said he believed the shares to be
good, but they were not his shares. They belonged
to a Mr. Rogers, and he (Killick) merely put them into
Mr. Scanlan's hands to get an advance upon them, and
that he handed over the money to Mr. Rogers, and all
he and Mr. Scanlan got by the job was 51. The witness
finally said that Killick completely shuffled out of the
business, and had not been seen by him since until he got
into the clutches of John Forrester.
Mr. Hobler submitted that there was nothing in the
statement which showed that a fraud had been committed
or intended. There were certain insinuations to the
effect that advertisements had been forged by his client,
and that the shares being duplicate shares, were of no
value. But there was nothing like a foundation. The
fact was, that the shares were like the shares in many
other companies, deteriorated by the panic, and they
had got into the hands of the prisoners, as they might
have got into the hands of any other speculators. Mr.
Hobler here produced a Leeds list of stock, in which no-
tice was given, under the head of " Deposits to be Re-
turned ;" that the Direct Lincoln, East Retford, and
Sheffield Railway Company was about to dissolve, and
that hi. 12s. 6d. per share would be returned to the
holders of the certificates. The date of the list was up
to the 31st of December ; and he also exhibited some
nee spapers, in which there was a similar notification.
The LORD MAYOR said there was prima facie evidence
of a gross fraud upon the complainant. All the details
showed a regularly concocted plan, and he should give
opportunity to bring forward the necessary witnesses in
order to arrive at a complete elucidation of the affair.
It was stated in the justice-room that the shares are
worth about 2s. 6d. each.
The case was then remanded, but the prisoner was
informed that if Mr. Scanlan and Mr. Killick produced
good bail, • each in 200/., and if Mr. Flight produced two
In 1004, they should be liberated.
GUILDHALL.
THE NEW YEAR—A GOOD COMMENCEMENT. Mr.
Alderman Johnson sat at Guildhall yesterday, and hoard
several summonses, of no public interest, with one ex-
ception, given below. During the last few days of the
old year, the Court has been occupied for several hours
with crime in all its variety, but yesterday, strange to say,
not one charge was brought from either of the three
station-houses attached to this Court, and only one case,
we understand, was sent to the Mansion-house from the
other three stations.
A case of some interest to householders was brought
under the Wilful Trespass Act, before Mr. Alderman
Johnson. Philip Castainy, a dealer in foreign birds,
appeared upon an information fur wilful trespass, laid
against him by Mr. Price, the landlord of the house No.
la 3, Fleet-street. The circumstances were these