The Sun.
London, England, 1812-01-28 00:00:00

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W.heti reitri6liOns course eipire, he.
Quid answer, that if ever there was a Bill %vote!)
ought not to be brought forward before nib restric-
tions were reinoved,lbe woulTd say that was the ore.
It must be obvious, any concession would come
ith moregrace from hi, Royal Highness_whtn he u a§
entirely free, than while it could bear the appearance
of a soil of bargain to get rid of the =-
D d body think that any thing improver could
rake place op the part of the Prince in the. 'course-of-
one fortnight ? It would be satislathiry to the coun=
try; that a proper confidence 'should be reposed in
the Prince Regent, and that proper means should be •
taken for placing him with sufficient dignity
.on the
throne. The Parliament was of itself responsible far
the manner in which that was performed, and wak.
bound to rake care that he was treed from,
cutnbrances which could, hi the slightest maneer,
interfere with the splendour of the Monarchy. Hia
bad confined himselt in what he had said to thee
principle of the Bill, If he were to ati merely trotet
his opt; opinions, he would oppose the Speaker'ir
leaving the Ctiair altogether, in order to
:get rid
the Bill; but lest he should subject himself to ink.
conception or misrepresentation, on a sue ject of:that
kind, he opposed it conditionally, with a view,
to the future apoiiffinent °fa Committee for •the
purpose of considering the various points connected
with the .Estibleihment of the Royal
Mr. G. JOHNSTONE said, he was of opinion, that
they would not discharge their duty to the puslic if
they agreed to the arrangement in the manner pro- •
posed by the, Bill, and did not utovide for the incle;s
pendence of the Prince Regent by art adeqnate Civil •
List. They ivere also bound to take those whole- .
some precautions recommended by the: Constitutien
for securing responsibility in the expenditure. The
Right Hon. Gentleman who spOke last, had not etr•
tered into the details of the subject, and he should .
follow his example ; at the same time he should -
observe, upon one or t 0 eases, in which he loped
,he should not be accused of enter•aining -any narrow
or mean views. He was disposed to think, that e
m ikiog proper allowances for the alteration in the
value of money,the expel-ice, in various departments
of lite Civil List would not be found to have ex.,
ceeded that of the best times of our history : ~but
'when in 1804 they were called upon to vote an ex-,
ces3 of 102,0001. lie would venture to state, that if
t bet e was nut such a fund as the Droits-ot Admiral-
ty,, the excess would not have taken place
hers u uuld have economised better. 'This was enough
to prove the unpolicy and the improv dence- of not
adhering to the custom of our ancestors, by limiting
The amount attic Cis it List, without admitting the
supply_ of any cotatingent funds.' He made no
charge against any one, for the p; aelice had obtain-
ed in all administrations; in that of Mr. Pitt, in that
'oi, Lord Glenville, and in that of •his. Right
nourable F iend -(the-Chancellor of the'Exchequer)e,l
berthas. waste, reason why'it ShoUld b.: permitted,
•n that it was brought before the House. With
respect to the Molts of Admiralty, stone persons
contended that theybelOnged to his Majesty, upon
-the same groutrds that all his other prop,i ry did, but
ever it that were the case, it' furnisled no reason ,
why they should not be regulated by Parienttent.---
He conceived that even if his Majesty were, in per-
feet heal, h, it would be competent to them to debate
upon all his revenue. If not, they had taken art
unwarrantable liberty indeed, in voting fur Mr-
Burke's Bill. They had also taken a great liberty
in regulating the amount of pension.; to be grant-
ed out of the Scotch Hereditary Revenue. If
it was stated, that this competency 'was restrict-
ed- to emergencies only, then he would make. •.
answer, that this emergence had now occurred,
so that the only- question was whether it be-
came them to take a narrow and limited view, or e-
latge one. Mete was great force in what the Right
Hon. Gentleman who spoke last had said, as to the I
power and euthorPy granted to the Queen. It watt_
known that there were six persons under her influ-
eareee the House of Peers, and four in the Houso
of Commons, and he thought it a necessary step to
provide, twat those Gentlemen who were appointed
to the different offices descritied in the Bill, should •
not Stave seats in Parliament. The importance of
settling a specific suin for the Civil List was'great,
in point of economy, and if they legislated without
a view to it, they would not do their duty. Much
more might be said en the subjett, of disbursemeets,
but it was disagreeable. Ha should only mention
one or two instances which would show the mis-
chief of departing from the principle to which h(t.
had alluded. Oue 'instance wets, that of Sir S,doef
sinith, to whom the public were indebted as mucrk

as to any man, but they would find that in the year.
18 10, seven thousand pobndS were granted- to him
fur ser,'ices performed tWelti: years preceding. Ile
kneW that.hii Merits were great, and that the good
he had- done, by- nego:iating Hith the French in,
Egypt; m was eminently, great ; but. if the Civil List
was limited,. this would not hate have happened • ...
nay, his Right Hon. Friend himself- was so con-
vinced of the necessity of such limitation in future,
that lie had broUght in a Bill to effect it, which,
however, would not have so good an effect, as if
.3, . •
limited sum was granted to the Administration,- lot'
witith-it Should be accountable. He concluded with
expr.essing a hope, that the Bill would be so e' -
tended, as to embrace the different objects to.whicls
he had called their attention.
• • Mr. MATTHEW MONTAGU, in explanation, said,
that, in point of fact, Sir Sidney Stnith bad had
but a small part of a sum which he paid out of his
own pocket tur the service of the country. It ought
not to be believed that the grant alluded to by i:is
Honourable Friend was given as a remuneration or
reward; fur the public w ere yet indebted 10 hip.) for
eonve)ing' the Court of Lisbon to the B-.1.-"iil4. He
thought rt but fair OM -this noble and generotits
person should have the advantage _of an explana-
tion on this subject, that it might be seen there was
nothing like a surreptitious grant connected with his
name.

• Mr. GEORGE JoHNSTONE said, he did not stater
that the sum granted to Sir Sidney Smith was. out
of the Droits of Admiralty, but out of the fund of
Extraordinary Disbursements. He found that the
claim wars of twelve years standing, and concluded if
that claim were just, that Government must be'
wiong in withholding it.
Mr. MATTHEW MoNTAOu, assured his Honour-
able Friend that he had stated the fad correctly, and
.that sq far from that gallant Orrlcer being repaid,
part of his pay as Captain was withheld while absent
on k.nother service.
Sir T. TtJRTON said; Ite:Shoo!d not otkea to the