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London, England, 1812-06-23 00:00:00

tnglanul, Crinilnat 63niliket to lie
enctured ?" He cautioned the !loose to beware
of their decision on that night: The event would
thew whether they represented the Ministers of
ringlAnd oethe people of Pelatid:- The sacred ilame
of independence is Ireland had become t.rren era/ re
verberated front hlelfast to.,Cork, 'fai.un Wicklow •
to Mayo: It had been ;kaare 1 That the present
question was nortO he considered as- a \rioverti.7
tent' question. The people of:lreland, liowever,
Were not to be so -galled., The_y knew there- was
110 since-fity in this -.poinf'on the part of Ministers,
tacept indeed iiid;Noble Lord, because he WaS ttti
Irishman, and knehr'-the necessity of the coricei- 4
lion. He atsuted those Members" who were diS-
Ilosed to vote against the Catholic Claimi, that
vhen Ministers found, as they' would find; that.
k,he people of Ireland Were in earnest, they'
leave them in- the lurch, as fit objects ".for the
of scorn to pointits slow and moving finger
Human nature would not en:lure more than
certain degree of oppression. • He trusted that
he should not live to 'see ,the day when that line
should be paz.;sed in Ireland. The contest would.'
'be dreadful; Vut the issue uncertain. million
of the braveSt and hardiest men in the world
Would soon trample their. oppressors in the dust.
was•to n*ert thrs•evii, • that he called upon the
11-Ouse to ads-;;t the amendment which he should
Propose to them, which was to omit all the words
after the word "that" for the purpose, of sob-
stituting the following : " the Claims of the Ca-
tholics of Great Britain and Ireland be taken into
immediate consideration, and that the Houfe will
•resolve itself info 'a Cortonittee of the Whole House
Li that' purpose on ThvrsdayueXt."
Mr. IV. POLE said, he was anxious to rise thus
early in the debate to' state as shortly -as he-Cotild
th4-mOtives by which he was governed in the vote
'Which he should :five this night. He concurred
`'Wit;
,his Right Illncturable Friend in lamenting
the intelligence 'which had that day been received
rlona Ireland, respecting the proceedings of the
Roman Catholim • There was no Man who heard
pith who could feel more deeply than he' did upon
receiving that intelligence. CcmSidering the situ-
_
4tion which he recently held in the Government of
Ireland, the resolutionslatelv passed unanimously
in tile Aggregate Meeting of the Roinan Cathim-
ltcg of Dublin, must be particularly grating to his
reelings : but he felt it to be his duty, in'deciding
bP.on the question then before the House, t 6 ab-.
stract everything. froin it of a private nature;
.llot to suffer the conduct of the persons Who com-
posed the meeting alluded to, however numerous
'or.respectable, to influence his judgment, but to
consider the question purely in a political point,
of view, and to• adopt those measures which.ap-
reared best calculated to promote \the advantage,
and secure the happiness of the country at large.
lit had never hitherto taken any part in the va-
l'ious discussions, which had occurred respecting
the claims of the.Romin Catholics of Ireland,--ex-
cc. Pt Upon one occasion, when., after haVing en-
tered into a defence of the measure adopted by
the. Irish Government, he said a few words at the
conclusion of hisspeech, upon the subject of those
claims. The House t would do him 'the- justice to
recollect that,.aipon the occasion to which he was
referring, lie had stated, that, in his opinion, the
door should_not be shut upon the Catholics, bat
that considering the tone which they ad assumed,
and the temper :ViTlife.h.they had manifested, he did
11.0 t think it would be -wise or prudent at that
comply with T their demands. It was
true that the conduct of the Roman Catholics
was, -at the present moment, • .equally intent,
Aerate but there was this difference between the
circumstances of the two periods.; • at, the former
period, the conduct which he had censured was
that of a Committee' whase sentiments Were
adopted by the Roman Catholic body; the resolu-
tions of which they this day had 'received thein-
telligence, were those of a respectable Aggregate
Meeting, at which Lord Fingal was in the Chair ;
they Were moved by Lord Killeen, and passed
unanimonaly. But though he 'did not think the
' tone and temper of the Catholics were at all alter-
. ed, heWould state to the House his reasons ,for
thinking that the circumstances of the country
Nvere materially changed. When the question
-was before debated in that House, they did not
know the intentions of the Throne upon that most
ftlportant subject : since that period those fitted-.
• tions-had been made known by the person autliortsed ,
to form an Administration. He did nolWisIX
to be disorderly, but 'it was now known to he the
'opinion of, time highest Authority in the Constitu-,
ton, that the claims of the Romli Catholics ought
to be taken into the most serious consideration..
Since the former period also, every statesman al-
baost in the country had declared his firm convic-
tion, that the Catholic question could not remain
In its present state. The House also knew that
at • the time to which he was referring, it was -the
generally received opinion (it certainly was his),
that the Protestants of England Were ,decidedly
AVerse'to a compliance with the claims of the
tholics, and that they would' raise their voice
Against it 'as one man. That opinion had turned
°O-t, as it appeared„ to be unfounded ; for the
rotestants had not come forward to express any;
"rAjectibn to the consideration of the subject. An
ether circumstance that had a very considerable
"effect upon his mind was this: when,the last dis-
cussion and division in that HOuse upon the Ca..'
thOlic Question, was made knOwn in -Leland, a
Very considerable alteration took place in the public
Third in that country, and repeated. communica-
tions were made to him, in his official charaeter,
expressive of that change of sentiment, and of a
wish that his late lamented Friend would re-cotta
sider_the. question; With a view _to the ..opening
of S9me negociation with the Roman Catholics
aeon the subject; Alt these circurastances made
111110. st material Alteration in the state of the case.
.: 11 had. always ':•neeli his, opinion, ~that it would
T be desirable to grant the Roman Catholics every
• Possible Aegren of civil liberty that was ,consis-
tent with the safety of our 'Establishments in
Church and State ; bat the great difficulty
teare" ap-
d to him to be, how the proper security for
°so Establishments could be obtained. He was
!1-I°St willing to grant the whole of their demands,
*tit could he ,done with • safety 5,.. but no
.lionest
statesmanbbring-.forwardthe question of
Concession .without .connecting it with some of-.
eetual security for the• Church, and State ; and he
Itaa convinced that this was the opinion of every