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not intend to proceed with that measure, and
it would be hailed with the utmost plea-
sure b 1 thousands of his fellow-countrymen. Would
the Right Hon. lion. Baronet bring forward a Bill for
the renewal of that measure ? He (Mr. Wakley) thought
not, he hoped not, he believed not. But still had he not
been the warmest advocate of the measure throughout ?
The Right Hon. Baronet had stated that when he ob-
tained office, he :would take a careful review of all the
circumstances .of the country. But he (Mr. Wakley)
wouldasii, could he not do that better, more carefully,
when he-had more time, being out of office ?—(Loud
cheers -and laughter.) He hoped on Thursday that
'something tangible would be promised, for it was most
extraordivary and without parallel in this country, that
such a party as that opposite, should expect to attain
even to the threshold of office, unpledged to any one
measure for the public good—tono one measure in which
the public feelings or interest were enlisted—and tied to
-no one promise, for the breach of which the public
could turn round- and say they had not fulfilled their en-
gagement. To him such a state of things was very un-
satisfactory. Bet Ween that time and Thursday, he
trusted the Hon. Baronet would turn his attention to
these matters, and let the House know what it was
they had to . expect when he came to that
(the Mirister`ial) side of the House. If the Right Hon.
eiaro et would offer more for the benefit of the public
t' an toe present Ministry, then he should command
Ida (Mr.,W's.) support.—(Laughter.) He was there to
serve his constituents and not to vote for party motives.
Nothing in his mind- could be so unsatisfactory as the
state of parties in that House, and particularly the state
of the public mind, agitated as it was, when so much dis-
tress existed. There was a little nursery tale he re-
membered, which nursery maids repeated to little child-
ren while playing with them. It was " open your mouth
and shut your eyes, and see what luck will send you."
Now, he would ask whether that was fit for them as
Members of the Legislature? He thought the time was
ill-chosen, and he had unhesitatingly expressed his feel-
ings on that occasion. He thought that a great and noble
cause was perilled by the time selected for fighting it. How-
ever, if Ministers showed that they were sincere in mak-
ing those proposals, and determined to carry them out,
he was convinced that they would be upheld by the
public ; and that in the conflict which was to ensue they
would be, and must be, triumphant. He therefore,
belonging to the small section called Radicals in that
House, earnestly entreated the Right Hon. Baronet to
exercise his enlarged faculties between that night and
Thursday next, and see if he could not propose something
of more value than what was proposed by the Noble
Lord. If lie would only come forward—the Right
Hon. Baronet shook his head, and he feared his applica-
tion would be unsuccessful—(Laughter)—with a com-
prehensive scheme of Government—if he would only
show them how thepublic expenditure could be decreased
whilst the public income was increased, without adding
to the burdens of the people, he would from the Radical
section of the House receive that support which he would
be fully entitled to receive at their hands ; sitting, as
they did, in that House, not as the advocates and adhe-
rents of any party, but as the sincere advocates of the
rights and interests of the people.—(Hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said lie had thought that in the
peeseet state of affairs, with questions relating to the
Budget, aid other questions which were exciting a great
degree of interest before the House, it would have been
highly inconvenient to proceed with the Poor-law
Amendment Bill. In the first place, it would have
occasioned a very protracted discussion without any
final result.—(Hear, hear.) In the next place, in the
eepleOation which every Gentleman seemed to have,
that he was to account for his conduct on the hustings,
they would have had a great many speeches made with
a view rether to the hustings than to the House of Com-
snows, Teat certainly wag hie impression, and his reason
for not proceeding with the Bill. • But if the Honourable
Gentleman thought that he had made that announce-
vent inconsequence of having at all altered his opinions
with respect to that Bill, or with respect to any particu-
lar parts of it, he thought it would be better at once to
say that there had been no such change,---(Hear, hear.)
With respect to the proposals of the lion. Gentleman, he
could give no opinion until they came on for discussion ;
but he begged leave to, say that, in postponing that Bill,
he still
,lielieved that whether those who then sat on that
side of the ouse, were the Government of the country,
or whether H,.7.---Gentlemen opposite occupied those
seats, the principles -04. the Poor-law Amendment Act
were sound, that they were such as would commend
themselves to any Government in country, and such
as any Parliament would adopt as the Saris of a Poor-
law.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. SLANEY said 'he believed the measures pro-
posed by her Majesty's Government were necessary.
Gentlemen should bear in mind the great change that
had taken place in the relative position of the agricultu-
ral and commercial population of the country. He thought
this alone was a reason why there should be a revision
of the commercial code of the country. It was abso-
lutely necessary, for the welfare of the people, that the
general principles 'of free trade should be cautiously ex-
amined, and carefully admitted. He took this opportu-
nity of stating these opinions, as no opportunity was af-
forded him during the recent debate.
Sir C. GREY said that the Right Hon. Gentleman
(Sir R. Peel) had given notice of a motion for
Thursday next, that, if carried, would necessarily prevent
the discussion which the House looked forward to, both
with respect to the Corn-laws and the measures proposed
by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, with respect to the
sugar duties and the duty on timber. If he could put it
in the nature of a charge, he would charge the Right
Hon. Gentleman with the design to stop the discussion
of these measures, to prevent the people being informed
of their merits • before an appeal was made to them on
the subject in the usual form. lie was desirous of re-
cording the views which lie had in voting as he did on.
the present emergency, which he ventured to tell Hon.
Gentlemen involved a question of more importance than
had yet arisen in the nineteenth century. The gauntlet
had been thrown down on that side of the House, which
Hon. Gentlemen on the opposite side had refused to take
up like true knights. The principle involved
in the measure proposed by Government was,
whether the prohibitory duties on foreign im-
portations generally would be taken off or not.
(Hear.) So far from that question being taken
upon the other side, the object of the motion of which the
Right Honourable Gentlemen (Sir R. Peel) had given
notice that evening was to prevent the discussion of the
measure. He (Sir C. Grey) would still be opposed to
the proposition relative to the Corn-laws, if brought for-
ward as an isolated measure. He would never give his
.support to any party for the revocation of those laws,
unless it was promised at the same time that they would
bring forward measures for the revocation generally of
the prohibitory duties on foreign imports. As soon as
he (Sir C. Grey) understood that a general principle of
that nature was to be adopted, he gave his support to the
measure. A reduction of prices was not the greatest be-
nefit to be anticipated from a revision of our import
duties ; the principal advantage which would follow from
Ate measures of the Government was that they would
open new markets to British industry, and would
offer additional employment for our manufactur-
ing population. He protested against
,the course
pursued on this occasion by Hon. Gentlemen opposite,
who seemed anxious to preclude the discussion of these
great questions. He trusted they would be disap-
pointed, and that matters of such vital importance :to
our prosperity would receive the due consideration of
Yards ement.
The eesolution was then put and agreed to.
ADKINISTRATION OF JUSTICE BILL.
M—. BERgAL brought up the Report of the Adminis-
tration of Justice (No. l) Bill.
Sir E. SUGDEN- then rose to move the amendment,
of which he had given notice, in the clause with re-
spect to the Accountant-General of the Court of Chan-
cery. By the oresent Bill the funds in the Court of Ex-
chequer were to lie transferred to the Court of Chan-
cery ; and, in consequence of the appointment of two
new Judges, the business of the Accountant-Ge-
neral's Office would be increased, and there
was nothing in the Act now under consideration
that would prevent that officer from receiving
7,0001. or 8,0001. a year, which was far too much for the
fluties he had to perform. He, therefore, proposed a-4 an
01,:endment to the present clause, that the whole of the
ettpiuments to be enjoyed by the Accountant-General of
vie Court of Chancery should not exceed 4,0001. a year,
end that he should pay into the Suitors' Fund the balance
or surplus above 4,0001. He understood that an altera-
tion had been made in the Bill since it was last before the
House, and that perhaps would obviate the necessity of
,his amendment.
Mr -HUME thought the House ought to be informed.
„ .
of -t;,e real state of the case. He should certainly sup-
port tee
proposition of the Right Hon. Gentleman, be-
cause he thought 4,0001.' per annum an ample remunera-
tion for any lawyer.
Sir E. SUGDEN said he had just learned that several
, uses had been agreed to during his absence from the
Hot se. He i!id not complain of that, but as these
need, he should move that
ekes.% had not yet -been
the doi.eite upon the Bill hperiadj urned.
The ATTORNEY-GENERoAL _ objected to the ad-
The be consi-
journmenL He thought
dering the Crest responsibt y attached to the office of
Accountant-Cleneratt to reduce the sum which it was
proposed to give' him.
said the best thing the House
Mr. GOULBLTR,N mut to t
could do, under \ the circumstances, was pos pone
desirablei they
the discussion till a fsiture days It was
sliould have the clauses before them in order to form a
proper judgment upon t.l)em• .
Lord J. RUSSELL Could not consent to the reduc-
tion, proposed by the Rigi;t Hon. Gentleman,in the
emoluments of the Accountant-General. He had no ob-
jection to the postponeMent of the discussion, if it could
tend toTany useful purpose; but he would remind the
House that this functionary held his office for life, and
could not be removed without some gross dereliction of
duty on his oart. They could not, therefore propose,
whatever the amount of his duties or responsibilities was,
-.to make any large reduction in the sum he had hitherto
received.

After a few words from Sir E. SUGDEN,
Mr. HL CIE said he conceived the motion for ad-
• join nment ought to be pressed, if the Noble_Lord (Rus-
sell) was not prepared to agree to the proposed limita-
tion of salary.
Mr. LYNCH bore testimony to the qualifications
:necessary to fill the office of Accountant-General. He
winild not say that 4,0001. a year was not sufficient, but
...145che business of the Court of Chancery was to be in-
cre:sed, he asked what right had the 'Right Hon. Gen-
Aleina„- to seek to curtail ttc emoluments of the office
They cockl not interfere.with Yested rights of the
Possossor, w;Lhout giving him some coil:;7'4r-sation ; but
when there was itn increase of business, nl%.:nt better
compensation etruldi.'e (riven than an increased preno:72
No one could he fitted to fill the office than the
_gentleman now in possession of it.
Mr. R_TCHARD6 supported the proposition for an in-
crease of .salary.
Mr. AGLIONBY thought that the
House should take
time to consider the proposition of the Right Hon. Gen-

tleman (Sir E. Sngden) before they came to any con-
clusion. _

The Bill was then postponed to Friday next.
VICTORIA PARK BILL.

Mr. BERNAL brought up the Report on the Vie-
kria Park Bill. •

Mr. MIME expressed his satisfaction that Govern-
ment had attended to the petitions addressed to them on
this subject. They had acted liberally towards the
north and the east parts of the metropolis, and he was
now anxious that they should consider the situation of
the south. Unless an opportunity were soon taken of
securing some open place, such as that in the neighbour-
hood of Bethlehem Hospital, they would in a short
time find it difficult to get any eligible spot.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL said the measure would re-
ceive the support of both sides of the House.
Mr. FRENCH complained that when so much was
being done for the improvement of London, nothing of
the kind was proposed for Ireland.
Mr. E. J. STANLEY reminded the Hon. Gentleman
that in the present session the Wide Streets Dublin Bill
was passed for the improvement of the Irish metropolis.
Mr. WAKLEY did not wish to oppose a vote for the
accommodation of the public ; but it seemed to him irra-
tional to lay out so much money on the eastern part of the
metropolis, when there was so much land on the north of
the city to which the people had a right, and to which they
were still refused access. He wished the Secretary of
the Treasury would state when the 288 acres closed up
in the Regent's-park would be thrown open ? He (Mr.
Wakley) was quite sure that, while the public were kept
out from so much ground to which they had a right,
great dissatisfaction would be created by the outlay in
the present instance. He was happy to hear the Hon.
Baronet opposite (Sir E. Knatchbull) make the declara-
tion which had just fallen from him. The Hon. Baronet
was willing to give the people fresh air, and he (Mr.
Wakley) reminded him that fresh air increased the ap-
petite—(Laughter)—and he hoped the Hon. Baronet
would recollect that on a future occasion. The people
wanted bread.—(Hear, hear.)
The Bill was then ordered to be read a third time to-
morrow (this day.)
ORDNANCE SURVEY BILL.

The House went into Committee on this Bill.

The clauses were agreed to, and the Report brought up.
PUNISHMENT OF DEATH BILL.

On the motion of Lord JOHN RUSSELL, the House
went into Committee on the Punishment of Death Bill.

The Bill having received some amendments, passed
through Committee, and the Report was received.

BANKRUPTCY, INSOLVENCY, AND LUNACY

BILL.

On the motion of the SOLICITOR-GENERAL, this
Bill passed through Committee. '
ENTAILS (SCOTLAND) BILL.

On the motion of the LORD ADVOCATE, this Bill
passed through Committee.

PARISH CONSTABLES' BILL.

On the motion of Sir E. KNATCHBULL, this Bill
was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on
Friday next.
MAD-HOUSES (SCOTLAND) BILL.

On the motion of the LORD ADVOCATE, this Bill
was re-committed.

The Bill then went through Committee, and the Re-
port was ordered to be received on Thursday.

The Report on the Charitable Trusts -Bill was re-
ceived, and the Bill was ordered to be read a third time
on Friday, the 4th of June.
The Vaccination Bill was read a third time and passed.