The Sun.
London, England, 1840-01-29 00:00:00

SPAIN.

Mr. MACLEAN put a question which was quite inau-
dible, but from the answer of Lord Palmerston we gathered
that ro measures had yet been taken to secure pay mc,tit by
the Spanish Government of the debt. dun to this country.
VOTE OF CONFIDENCE.

The SPEAKER having called upon
Sir JOHN YA RDE BULLER, the Hon. Baronet
rose, and amidst loud cries of " Order," which evinced
the anxiety of a very full House to hear his statements, he
commenced by saying—that when he considered the im-
portance of the motion which he rose to bring forward, be
feared that it would be thought presumptuous, on the part
of one who so seldom addressed the House, to undertake
so seri eis a responsibility. And he begged the House to
hear the one or two reasons which he had to offer
for his having undertaken the task, ha believed, in
the discharge of his duty.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.")
That there was a great deal of discontent and dissatisfac-
tion in the country was unhappily so notorious that it
needed no comment.—(Hear.) In ordinary cases it
might, be thought that this discontent arose from causes
over which the Government had no control ; but
no one, looking at the present aspect of affairs, could
fail to see that it originated in the system pu,sued
by bar Majesty's Ministers for the last few years in
attempting to carry their measures by forcing them
on the people, rather than by submitting them
.0 cool discussion.—(Loud cheers.) Disturbances had
thus originated, and gone so far that it was almost beyond
the power of the Government to put them down.—( Cheers. )
Il in the House any right to expect Ministers would thus
act ? and ought they not rather expect to find them acting
the part of ministers of peace, curbing the wills of un-
ruly men, rather than exciting them to acts of vio-
lence ?—( Loud cheers.) If Government bad not fol-
lowed that course, they would not have found armed
masses of the people marching on Newport, headed by a
magistrate, indebted for his appointment to her Majesty's
Ministers—( Loud cheers.) But those Ministers had not
been found applying their attention to the fact of the Hon.
Member for Dublin being the guest of the Viceroy of
Ireland as a consequence of his infl mmmatory harangues.
They had not been found directing their attention to that
speech wherein that Hon. Member stated his readiness
again to agitate the repeal of the Union on the earliest
opportunity; but if he mistook not, some of those Ministers
ha .I a part in framing the very speech from the Throne,
in which the Honourable Member had been denounced.
thought the connection between Ministers and the in-
struments of agitation was not likely to recommend
them to the confidence, of that House.—(Cheers.)
In the next place, he thought that their apparent union
with those who upon all occasions brought forward some
species of attacks upon the Established Church, was a cir-
cumstance which would withdraw from them the confidence
of all Churchmen, and likewise those who, not belonging to
the Church,felt that it was for the benefit of the country that
in Established Church should be maintained. The Govern-
ment was led on in these views by persona who were in
favour of a voluntary as stem, by which the Church would
b, separated from the State, and maintained by the volun-
tary contributions of its members. Lcd on in that way,
they brought forward a measure to do away with the fund
by which the fabric of the Church, had been repaired
by a great length of time. They offered first as an equivalent
that which no one could complain of—viz., a sum out of
the Consolidated Fund, but as that would not suit the
views of those who thought that the Church ought to be
separated from the State, they were obliged to abandon it.
They then brought forward another measure more likely
to suit the views of those who advocated the sepa-
ration of the Church from the State, but it. was
one in which the country at large was not in-
clined to concur. They proposed to seize upon the
lands belonging to the Bishops, and by some improved
system of management to create a surplus which was not
in existence before, which they hoped to appropriate to keep-
ing- up the fabric of the Church. The next question which
they took up was that of education. They withdrew the grant
which they had formerly given to two societies, by which
persons of all religious denominations were enabled to
receive a religious education, and by which the Clergy of
the diocese were enabled to afford education to all be-
longing to their flocks. That plan seemed to have been
working well. It gave the clergy a power over their
flocks, and enabled them to educate all those who came to
these schools in the religious doctrines of the Church of
England, but for some cause that did not meet the views
of those d•ffering from the Established Church, and the
Government was pressed to introduce anothcr measure,
which was carried in that House by a majority—
a very small one indeed—of only two.—( Hear, hear.)
This system excluded the clergy from the superintendence
of the schools, or only admitted them to give religious in-
struction at hours when the pupils were taking relaxation.
This regulation rendered it impossible for the Church—
he would say, almost impossible for the Church—to
accept cf their demands.—(Bear, hear, hear.) They,
could not help regarding this as one of the attacks
against the Church, by detaching the people from it, and
bringing them up in ignorance of its doctrines. When
Ministers took office, they came into power professing to
carry on the Government without the aid of patronage.
They held up to disrepute the acts of the former Govern-
ment, as being extravagant and corrupt. They agreed
that 1,2001. only should be placed at the disposal of the
Queen, for granting pensions to those of her subjects who
deserved them, whether for improvements in art, or disco-
veries in science. Professing that principle, they had en-
croached more on the patronage of various departments
than any Government that had preceded them.—( Cheers. )
A large pension had been granted to a gentleman who had
retired from a sinecure office to make way for the late
Chancellor of the Exchequer.—( Cheers from the Oppo-
sition benches.) Another ground of complaint against the
Ministers was the uncertainty attending all their plans,for last
Ssssion they had heard the Noble Lord opposite arguing and
voting against the proposition of the Hon. Member for
London, when that Hon. Gentleman proposed to intro_
duce Vote by Ballot. He found him replying to the
argument of the Hon. Member for Edinburgh, regretting
that he should hold such opinions, and not take more
time to consider.—(Hear, hear.) What was now the
situation of the Noble Lord—( Hear) —still holding, he
believed, the same opinions upon that subject? Why, he
had admitted into his Cabinet the Honourable Member
for Edinburgh as Secretary at War, and still the advocate
of the Ballot.—(Cheers from both sides of the House.)
Pursuing the same line of uncertain conduct the Govern-
ment would never let the landed interest know what their
intentions were with regard to protection to agriculture.
It was true the Noble Lord at the head of the Govern-
Inent had declared that to take away all protection
from agriculture would be the greatest madness
in the world, but when they found that in that House the
Members of her Majesty's Government, on the bringing
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landed interest were certainly led to feel that there was
no security for the protection of agriculture to be
expected from the Government. If the Administration
wished to have time confidence of the country and of the
landed interest, they must take a more decided course
vtth regard to this important question—they must say
whether they would or would not support the Ballot—
they must declare whether they would or would not give
protection to agriculture. There was at this time a
society growing up in this country under the name of
Rational Religionists or Socialists, who stated they
were making great progress, whom he believed had branches
in all the great towns and who sent lecture's throughout
the country disseminating the most pernicious doctrines.
Those men held tip private property as time source of
all vice, crime, and misery. They scoffed and laughed at
religion ; they said that all competition, all stimulants to
exertion, were only so mummy incentives to misery and de-
gradation. They endeavoured to bring the marriage rite
entirely into disrepute, and declared that it was an un-
social tie. They could not, perhaps, complain of the Govern-
ment until those societies came under their knowledge;
but it was not expected that the President of that
Society the man with whom all had originated—
would be conducted by the Prime Minister—( Cheers)—
carried by bins to the foot of the throne, there to present
an Address, praying the Sovereign to demand that that
House should enter into a course of inTairy respecting the
doctrines—the pernicious doctrines taught by hint. Such
a course of conduct would be at all times censurable,
but doubly so now, when we consider who at this
moment is the occupant of this throne-410 w,
when we have a Queen, young in years and upon
the point of entering into the holy state of matrimony—
( Laughter)—he hoped that at no time would this be al-
lowed to pass over by calling it a slight lnaprudence._
( Cheers.) No father of a family, having daughters
under his care, but must believe that the INoble
Premier must have felt it to be his duty to
have made himself acquainted with the doctrines of that
circumstances,md a
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These were some of time
to bring his motion reasons which induced him before time
House. He should not think it right if he intruded him-
s
self upon the House by entering into. the conduct of the
her.—
(Cheers mighthe rsple' andse 1 ahui ter. fancy,)
Ittoial policy, otherwise he might have might
Government with regard to their . Foreign and Co_
have found many charges of
neglect. Many others
would enter into their mismanagement upon
those
points,
as well as'into that system which had reduced our
naval force to so low an ebb as not to be equal to the e
pro-
tection of our commerce from foreign
- aggression.
Thanking the House for their kindness and attention he
begged
eto move the resolution of "
That her '
which he bad piven
notice, viz , Majesty s Government, as at
present constituted, does not possess the confidence of
this House."
Mr. Alderman THOMPSON rose for the purpose of
seconding the motion of the Hon. Bart. He thought that
time thanks of the House were due to the Hon. Bart. for
having adopted the course of proceeding he had done on
the present occasion, whereby the country would at once
ascertain to what extent, and in what degree, her Majesty's
Ministers possessed the confidence of that House. He knew
not when, in modern times at least, there had been a ne-
cessity more urgent, or a time more important for the
adoption of the course pursued by his Hon, Friend the
Hon. Baronet, than the present. When he considered
the state of the great mats of the labouring popu-
lation of this country—when he considered the financial
condition of the country—the state of some of the most
important of our colonial possessions, or the state of our
foreign trade, and the interests of navigation.—( Loud
Baronet had alluded to the state
cheers from time Ministerial benches)---he could rot con-
sider but that the present motion was of the utmost import.
ance to the interests and constitution of the country. His
Hon. Friend, the Hon.
of the population generally, and he had made more parti-
cular allusion to that district where outrages of the most
calamitous and mischievous nature had recently taken
place—a district with which he (Alderman Thompson)
' was connected, he meant the district of South Wales;