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PARLIAMENTARY DI VISIONS.
From the Votes and Proceedzngsof the Hotue of Can:mons.'
TIESDAY. SEPT. 28.
• POOR-LAW. COMMISSION BILL

Order for Committee read ; Motion made, and Question put,
—" That it be an instruction to the Committee, that they have
power to introduce a Clause, that it shall not be lawful for the
Commissioners, from the date of the passing of the Bill, to de-
clare the formation of any new Unions in district' which are
net already placed under the operation of the Act 4 and 5 Will.
4, c. 76:"—(Mr. Sharman Crawford).—The House divided.

MINORITY—AYES, 49
Aglionby H. A.—Cockermoutk Hollond, Robert—Hastings
J Aldam, J. J.—Leeds Johnstone, A.—Renfrew, &c.
' Baldwin Charles Barry—Totnes Lawson, A.—Knaresboroutth
Beck«t, Sir J.—Leeds Leader, J. Temple—Westminster
Borthwick, P.—Evesham Masterman, J.—London
liroadwood, Henry—Bridgewater Mitchell, T. A.—Bridport
&bake, Sir A. B.—Fermanagh Morris, D.—Carmarthen
Brotherton, J.—Salford MurAy, F. S.—Cork
Browne, W. D.—Kerry Napier, Sir Charles —Marylebene
Bu kley, E.—Newcastle.on.Tyre O'Brien,A,—N.Northamptonshire
Cobden, R.—Stockport O'Connell, M. J.—Kerry
Collins, W.—Warwick Paget, Frederick—Beaumaris
Colvil!e, C.—South Derby Paget, Lord %V.—Andover
Dick, Quintiri—MAldon Pechell, Captain—Brighton
Egerton, W. 'Patton—Cheshire Rennie G., jun.—lpswich
F.scott, B.—Winchester Scarlett," Hon. R.—Horsham
Flolden, John'—Oldham Sibthorp, Colonel—Lincoln
Fitzroy, Captain—Durham Wakley, Thomas—Finsbury
Fleetwood, Sir P. H.—Preston Watson, W. H.—Kinsale
Grimsditch, T.—Macclesfleld Wigney, J. N.—Brighten
Hanmer, Sir T.-Hull Wortley, Hon. S.—W. Yorkshire
Hardy, J.Bradford Wyndham, Colonel—W. Sussex
Harford, S.—Lewes Yorke, H. 11.—York
-Hayes, Sir E.—Donegal TELLERS.
Heathcoat, J.—Tiverton Crawford, S.—Rochdale
Henley, J. W.—Oxfordshire herrand, W. B,—Knaresborough

MAJORITY—NOES, 131.
•
A'Court, Captain—Tamworth iHoldsworth. J.—Wake field
I
'Acton, Colonel'—Wicklow Co. dope, 0. W.—Weymouth
, Howard, Captain—Cricklade
Adderiey, C, 8.--Sta' • froidshire
Allis, J. P.—Cambridgeshire Howard, Sir IL—Wicklow Co.
Antrobus, Edmund—Surrey Ingestre, Viscount—Staffordshire
Arbuthnot, General—Kincardine- Jerrnyn. Earl—Bury, Suffolk
shire
(Johnson, W. G.—Belfast
••
Rogge, W.—West Norfolk ' IJollifie, Sir W. J.—Petersfield
litaird, W.—Falkirk, &c. Jones, T.—Londonderry Co.
Hubris, W. B.—Thetford IKemble, H.—Fast Surrey
Baring. F. T.—Portsmouth Ker, I tavid—Downpatriek
Baskerville, T. B.—Herefordshire Knatchbull, Sir E.—East Kent
Bodkin, W. H.—Rochester Knight, H. G.—Nottinghamshire
Boldero, Henry o.—Chippenham l.arpent, G. De H.—Nottingham
Boscawen, Lord—W. Cornwall Layard, Captain - Carlow Co
Botfield, Bcrlah—Ludlow Legit, G. C.—North Cheshire
Bowes, John—South Durham Leicester. Lord —Bodmin
Bowring, Dr.—Bolton Lindsay, H. H. --: andwich
Broariley, Henry—East Yorkshire Lockhart, A. M.—Lanarkshire
Bruce, Lord E.—Marlborough Lowther. J. H.—York
Ituller' Charles—Liskeard Lyall, G.—London
.Buller, Sir J. Yarde—Devonshire Mackenzie, W. F.—Peeblessbire
Burrell Sir C.—Shoreham M4Geachy, F.—Honiton
Campbell, A —zArgyllshire March, Earl of—West Sussex
Clayton, R.—Aylesbury Marsham, Lord—West Kent
Cletk, Sir G.—Stamford Martin, W.—Newport, Lof Wight
Clive, R. H. South Shropshire Morgan, o.—Monmouthshire
Cochrane, A.—Btidport I Mundy, E. M.—South Derbyshire
Cole, Hon. ArthurH.—Enniskillen Neville, R.—Windsor
Coote, Sir C.—Queen's County Newry, Lord—Newry
Courtenay, Lord—S. Devonshire I Nicholl, J.—Cardift
Crosse, T. B.—Wigan Ogle, S.—South Northumberland
, Darby, George—East Sussex Pakington, J. S.—Droitwich
Nlawnay, Hon. H.—Rutland Philips, Mark—Manchester
Dickinson, J. H.—West Somerset Planta, Joseph—Hastings
Douglas, J. S.—Rochester Polhill, Frederick—Bedford
Dugdale, W. S.—Warwickshire Pollock, Sir F.—Huntingdon
Duncan, G.— Dundee Pringle, AleXander—Selkirkshire
Duncombe, Hon. o.—Yorkshire Rawdon. John Dawson—Armagn
Emlyn, Lord—rembrokesh ire Reade, M.—Waterford City
Estcourt, T. G. B.—Oxford Univ. Reid, Sir John Rae—Dover
Ferguson, Colonel —Kirka'dy Repton, G. W.—St. Alban's
Fleming, John—Hampshire Rose, Sir George—Christchurch
Follett, Sir W.—Exeter Rushbrooke, Colonel—Suffolk
Forbes. W.—Stirlingshire Scott, Hon. F.—Roxburghshire
Forster, M.—Berwick-on Tweed Shaw, Right Hon. F.—Dublin Un.
Fuller, A. K—East Sussex 'Sheppard, Thomas—Frome
Gaskell, James Milnes—W'enloelt ,Smith, It. V.—Northampton
Gladstone, W. E.—Newarx.on- Somerset, Lord G.—Monmeuthsh
"Trent Sotheron, T. H.—Desires
Gordon, Hon. W.—Aberdeenshire Stanley, Lord—North Lancashire
Gore, M.—Barnstaple Stanton' W. H.—Stroud
Goring, H. D.—New Shoreham Stuart, H —Bedford
6oulburn, Right Hon. 11.—Cam. Sutton, C. M.—Cambridge
bridge University 'Taylor, Capt. K —Dublin Co.
, Graham, Right Hon. Sir J. 11. G Tennent, J. K—Relfast
'-Dorchester Trenzt, Sir F.—Scarborough
Granger, T. C.—Durham Trollope, Sir J.—S. Lincolnshire
Greene, T. G.—Lancashire Trotter, John—West Surrey
Grimstoo, Visc.—Hertfordshire Tumor, C.—South Lincolnshire
Grogan, E.—Dubiiii Vane, Lord H.—South Durham
Guest, J. J.—Merthyr Tydvi I Verner, William—Armagh Co.
~Hamilton, W.—Newport, Isle of Vesey, Hon. T —Queen's Co.
Wight Vivian, Captain— reoryn
Hamilton, Lord C.—Tyrone I Ward, H. U.—SheMeld
Harcourt, G. 0. V.—Oxfordshire Wood, Charles—Halifax
• Hardinge, Right Hon. Sir H.— Wood, Colonel T.—Middlesex
Launceston TELLERS.
Herbert, Hon. S.—South Wilts Fremantle. Sir T.—Buckingham
•:. Hodgson, ltd.—Berwick-on.Tweedßaring, H. B.—Marlborough

'Motion Made, and Question put—" That it be an Instrue.
tion to the Committee, that they hare power to make provi-
sion in the Bill, that it shall not be lawful for the Commis-
sioners to disallow, by any general or other order, any pay-
ments which shall be made by the authority of a Board of
Guardians for the relief of any poor persons or their families
out of the workhouse, notwithstanding any powers given to
them by the Act 4 and 5 Will. 4, c. 76, to the contrary :"
(Mr. Sharman Crawford)—Tbe House divided,
MINORITY—AYES, 32.
Aglionby, H. A. Ferrand, W. B. O'Connell, V J.
Aldam, William Fleetwood, Sir P. H. Paget, Lord W.
Baldwin, C. Barry Hardy, John Pechell, Captain
Borth w ick, Peter Hanford, Summers Rennie, George
Broadwood, 1-I. Heathcoat, John Sibthorp, Colonel
Brothertcm, J. Hol ond, Robert Wakley, Thomas
Browne, W. Howard, H. Wats n, W. H.
Cobden, Richard Johnstone, Alex. Wigney, I. N.
Collins, W. Leader, J. T.
Colville, C. R V Morris, David MUMS.
Dick, Quintin Murphy, F. S. Crawford, W S.
Fielden, J. Napier, Sir Charles Yorke, H. Redhead

LLO YD'S SHIPPING—(THIS DAY.)
LorinoN, Serr. 29.—Wind this day at noon, W. to S.W.
Livenroot, Sem. 28.—Wind S.W.—Arrived the Breeze,
from Jamaica; Sir Charles Napier, Hill, St. Steven's; Han-
nibal, Anderson, Buctush ; Winscales, Quebec. Sailed the
Trot field, for Batavia ; Rosianna, Calcutta; Sandbach, De-
merara; Crusader, Honduras; Mary Bibby, Grenada; Re-
public, New York; John Ormerod, Civita Vecchia. Ar-
rived off, the America, St. John's, New Brunswick ; Wilson,
supposed from Texas.
OFF MARGATE, SEPT. 28.—Arrived ife Vigilant, Grant,
born Honduras, with loss of anchor and chain, and windlass
damaged ; Duke of Clarence and Statira, Jamaica.
DEAL, SEPT. 28.—Wind S.W. by S. strong breeze.
Arrived the John, Foreman, from Jamaica. Arrived from the
Itiver, Sydney, for Hobart Town ; Barrys, Cape of Good Hope.
RAMSGATE, SEPT. 28.—Jnyerna, London, for Cape de
' Verdi, slipped anchor and chain ; Cristina, du., for St. Jago de
Cuba, stern stove in the harbour.
PLYMOUTH, SEPT. 28.—Sailed the Copy, for the River
Gambia. It has' blown a' heavy gale at S. all night. The
Nie Lodskenck, and Isabella Allen, have lost an anchor each,
and part of chains.
31, FaLmotivii, SePT. 27.—Wind W. to S., fresh gales and
lquallY.—Sailed the Royal Tar steamer, for Vigo, &c.

THE SPECTACLE MAKERS' COM-
PANY.

Yesterday evening this Worshipful Company had their
annual dinner at the London Coffee House, Ludgate-
hill, Alderman Sir James Duke, M.P., Master of
the Company, in the Chair. There were about two
hundred gentlemen present, among whom were Alder-
men Johnson, Sir George Carroll, Gibbs, &c. ; Alderman
kagnay and Mr. Rogers, Sheriffs ; several Members
of Parliament, including Mr. P. M. Stewart, Cap-
tain Bolder°, Captain Plumridge, RN. . Colonel
Campbell, &c. ; several members of the bar, includ-
ing Mr. C. Phillips, Mr. Clarkson, the City Soli-
citor, Mr. Charles Pearson, &c., the Under-Sheriffs, and a,
number of gentlemen connectd with the arts, science,
and literature. The dinner and wines were of the first
order, and afforded general satisfaction. Sir JAMES
LUKE made an excellent Chairman, and proposed
the various toasts in a spirited and becoming man-
tom, especially those of " Her Majesty," " Prince Albert,
and the Princess Royal," so as to elicit very great applause.
Indeed it was amusing to observe how cordially the To-
lies cheered the Queen, for, as a wag observed, " They
thought they could now see her through their own
spectacles, and she was indeed a Queen ! "
so say we. But politics f med no part of the hilarity
of the evening. Every man magnified his neighbour
through the medium of good cheer into an equality ,
with himself, and certainly the various toasts were
'lt sponded to with a cordiality of good feeling which
did great honour to a company composed of such a
diversity of public opinion: - When " The Navy and
Army" wore given, Captain PLUMRIDGE and Colonel
CAMPBELL returned thanks—the former saying that,
much as had been of late said respecting the inefficiency of
the Naval Administration, he could with certainty affirm
that never in the annals of England was the peace esta-
blishment of the Navy on a better footing--(Cheers)—
and if war should hereafter arise, the enemies of Eng-
land would find out that our Ordnance Board had made
such improvements in the arts of destruction as would
utterly astonish them.—(Great applause.) Colonel
CAMPBELL very modestly echoed the sentiments of his
brother officer, and observed, that of all other places
the City of London had the distinguished honour of not
only doing justice to her brave defenders by sea and
land, but of proving her high sense of their patriotic
services by sutiatatitial and encouraging proofs of her
good opinion,—(This expression was so truly correct
that it elicited unbounded applause.) The City of London
stands pre-eminent in her noble appreciation of
worthy and illustrious deeds. The usual toasts fol-
lowed, but there was one peculiarity in that of
" the Sheriffs"—the new Administration of Criminal
tsz. Justice—and it was this, that the last and the
Present *Sheriffs belonged to the Spectacle-makers' Com-
.
„ pany. Perhaps it was.nthing singular, for Sir JAMES
DUKE observed, that the Company had the honour of
enrolling among its members a great number of names
illustrious in all the first departments of life l and the
reason is very obvious, for all who join this excellent
Company immediately acquire the "second sight" with-
out the trouble of going " farther north." Connected
with this toast there was another circumstance which
Dive it additional interest, and it was this, when Alder-
man MAGNAY returned thanks, stating tint the dignity of
the office would lose nothing in his hands, Ids brother
Sheriff, Mr. TitostAs Roomta, in a speech of great feeling
and modesty, reiterated the a.ssuratmes of his colleague,
•.' nd,. pointing to a beautiful banner, whieh he had the
honour of presenting to the, Company of Speetecle
akers, said, that young as he was in the world, he felt
great pride and satisfaction in belonginii to such a So-
is etety, and that it would be the endeavour of his life so
t! conduct himself as to merit, not only their good
t w
nn but that of his own eonseience in the faithful
cut discharge of his public duties.—(Cheers.) He begged to
esent that flag, which waved over their heads in the
gsinPany of "other honoured memorials," as a token of
. esteem, gratitude, and sincere hope that they would
Pport him in the arduonsduty which had devolved on him
to perform.—(Great cheering,) The business of the
evening
passed on very pleasantly till it was more
g-
in .
4,, b • 1
the
speech of that patriotic gentleman Mr.
easso 1: AMICK MAXWELL STEWART, who, in returning thanks
5it5_zi,,b;d4..,,,,,,-..,anertaeinnment, said, in
',New: for the Members of the House of Commons present at the
allusion to the diversity of °pi-
ll: r.,_Ams • tertained in the Howe, that it reminded him of
",L,L)'ll'''l well. known lines on the dispute betwaen the nose
▪ • -- ky„, sR
that the to which the spectacles belonged, and
Its same he
the Af
allNoesdrria belon and
.”_-( ged
" right or wrong" was much the
honourable Members present and
himself, fur thto the House of " Ayes
int laughter.) 'Dv re§tivities of the
evening terminatea
great good feeling.

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40.4 FAISLEY.--:1 Ite ministers of Paisley, of all de"
nominations, have agreed to address her Majesty on the condi=
tion of the vcorking classes in all the manufacturing districts,
Issi 4 4,-.4, and to implore her not to all
Parliament till some effec-
,rl,,,„;,,,f: five measures have been taken for their relief. We hope a step
so honourable, and so full of sound policy, will be very exteN-
siveiy imitated.— Glasgow Arg Hs.

SECOND EDITION

SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock.

SPIRIT of the PUBLIC JOURNALS.

FROM THE EVENING PAPERS OF THIS DAY.
GLOBE.—War on the Factories is the cry of the
Squires, to meet the watchword of war on the Corn-
laws. Mr. Ferrand put himself forward last night as
their boisterous and boiling representative. War on the
factories? Very well, gentlemen. You can make
war on them, if you think proper. It will
be well, however, that you consider beforehand,
how you shall pay your troops. You can enlist
certainly the most ignorant part of the population in
your most ignorant quarrel. You can get your drunken
freemen, and the unemployed desperates of our towns,
to echo your cry, of " Down with the manufacturing
system!" You can lead men, pinched with the want
which your law of the lied has inflicted on them,

to believe that those who are nearest are the right objects
of their rage and vengeance—that thole who employ
them are answerable for the scant food they can earn by
labour, and even for the slackened employment which
proves that capital is working without profit. You can
lead ignorant men to believe that masters regulate wages
by their own will ; and that when wages fall, and food
rises, their immediate employers are answerable. You
can screen from their view the truth that one class of
capitalists, and one only, can and do affect the rate of
wages, and the comforts those wages can buy. That
class is the class who speculate on a nation's subsistence !
—who combine to stint the supply of that subsistence ;
in order to raise its price—who prohibit returns in food
for exports of British commodities, and thereby sentence
the manufacturing masses to periods of want and woe.
Yes !—those periods recur—they recur with ever-increas-
ing intensity—they draw disease and sordid recklessness
Wall but bare life in their train—they stamp ,their wild
and haggard physiognomy on the myriads of our towns
—and they teach no other lesson to the bread-barring
caste who rule us, than the base lesson of recrimination
and insult on those they ruin and starve.
STANDARD.—Upon the House going into Com-
mittee upon the Poor-law Commission Continuance Bill,
a. very long debate was raised, and in the course of this
debate the whole subject of the New Poor-law was can-
vassed. This discussion was no more than was to be
expected, considering the opportunity it afforded for
making a seeming show of division in the Conserva-
tive party, but it was nevertheless uncalled for and
irregular. The question before Parliament,is simply this
—shall the Commission be continued from. the 31st of
December to the 31st of July; or shall the New Poor-
law, which, in its present unmodified state, cannot
be administered without such a Commission, be left
to administer itself, and throw the country into
confusion ? It is quite plain that, under such cir-
cumstances, there is no choice between the implicit
continuance of the Commission and at once engaging
with the consideration of the whole law, through di
its provisions and details. It will not suffice to
admit partial amendments and modifications ; for once
allow that the question is open for such partial amend-
ments and modifications, and every one of the 658 Mem-
bers of the House of Commons will have the right to urge
his favourite proposition. Now, it may be right that the
Parliamentary business of the year shall lave begun on
the 19th of August, 1841, to be continued without inter-
ruption to—say the 19th of August, 1842. Upon this point
it is unnecessary to speak at present ; hut if this is
not right, and the understanding in Parliament is,
that such a perpetual Session would be inconvenient,
there can be no doubt that a question of such mag-
nitude as the New Poor-law Bill ought not to be dis-
cussed in a hurried remnant of a short Session. We
have as strong an objection as ever to the harsher
provisions of the New Poor-law ; and we have little
doubt that in a Conservative House of Commons these
harsh provisions will be mitigated, and the harsh ad-
ministration of the law guarded against ; and' for that
reason it is that we are anxious that the subject shall be
left untouched until Parliament can sit down, calmly and
deliberately, to deal with it, which Parliament cannot
do at present.

MPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

(THIS EVENING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at five minutes before
Five.

Lord LEVESOI4 took the oaths and his seat for Lich-
field.

Sir G. COCKBURN took the oaths and his seat .for
Ripon.
Mr. GREENE brought up the Report of the Private
Bills Committee on the Duke of Marlborough's Estate
Bill, Riddell's Estate Bill, and Clayton's Name Bill.

CORN-LAWS.
The lion. H. BERKELEY presented petitions against
the Corn-laws, and praying the House not to separate
until it had carried into effect her Majesty's gracious re-
commendation in her Speech at the beginning of the Ses-
sion—from the Congregation of Presbyterians in Lewin's
Mead, Bristol ; and from Dissenting Congregations at
Kingsdown (Wilts) ; North Nibley, Wootton. under-
Edge, and other places in Gloucestershire.

Sir J. BECKhT presented a petition, which was
agreed to at a meeting convened in Leeds by the Mayor,
praying for a repeal of the present Corn-laws, to the
operation of which the petitioners ascribed the extreme
distress under which the manufacturers were suffering.
Alr. GIBSON presented a petition from an indvidual
residing in Lambeth, complaining that the Corn•laws
were grievously injurious to the most important interests
of the country, and praying that the food to be consumed
in the work-houses might be allowed to be taken out of
bond free of duty.
Mr. FIELDEN gave notice that on the Order of the
Day being read for a third reading of the Poor-law
Commission Continuance Bill he should move that the
Bill be read a third time that day six months.
RETURNS.
_ _

Mr. ORD moved for returns relating to the importa-
tion of cotton, wool, raw silk, and indigo.
Mr. WARNER'S INVENTION.
On the Order of the Day for the second reading of the
Exchequer Bills Bill being read,
Mr. WAKLEY said he wished to put a question to the
Gallant Secretary of the Board of Ordnance, relating
to the invention of Mr. Warner. The subject had been
brought before the House last Sessibn, on which occasion
many Members had borne evidence to the extraordinary
nature of the invention ; and in the debate on the esti-
mates the Right lion. Baronet at the head of the Go-
vernment had admitted that he had seen one of the
experiments, and that he had witnessed the most
extraordinary, effects. Statements had been made
the other night by the Honourable and Gallant
Member. for the Tower Hamlets, and ' by some other
Hon. Members that Mr. Warner had objected to the
appointment of a Committee to investigate the nature of
his invention, Mr. Warner and his friends complained
of that statement. The fact was that Mr. Warner was
most anxious to have a Committee appointed to investi-
gate his invention, and he was most desirous that the
Government should be fully satisfied as to the nature of
his invention before they adopted it. Mr. Walseby
said that shortly after Mr. Warner's return from Portu-
gal the subject had been mentioned in the House of
Commons, but had been stopped by the then First
Lord of the Admiralty, Sir J. Graham, who suggested
that a Committee should be appointed to investigat. It
had been appointed accordingly, but Sir R. Stopford, the
Chairman thought it was too numerous, and some alte-
rations were suggested in it, but Sir Robert Stopford
shortly afterwards left England for the Mediterranean.
Sir Richard Ideates, another member of the Committee,
died, and his NI ajesty, who had taken a great interest in
the subject also died shortly afterwards, so that the sub-
ject had never been investigated. The Gallant Captain
the Member for Gloucester had stated that Captains in
the navy mi;ht object to admit the invention on board
their ships, for fear of being blown up ; but he under-
stood that when the subject should be investi-
gated it would appear that such apprehensions
were groundless. When the subject was discussed in
June last the Noble Lord the Secretary for the Colonies
had stated that some explanation ought to be given, and
had promised that further negociations with Mr. Warner
should take place. He was anxious to know if any in-
vestigation had been instituted.
Colonel FOX said that he believed that the Master
General of the Ordnance, Lord Vivian, bad wished to refer
Mr. Warner to the usual Committee at Woolwich, for
the investigation of inventions of the nature of that
brought forward by Mr. Warner, and that Gentleman
had refused to submit his invention to that Committee.
With regard to what had fallen from the Hon. and Gal-
lant Member for Marylebone the other evening, in rela-
tion to the muskets supplied to the Navy, he supposed
that the observations of that Gallant Officer ap-
plied only to the old arms formerly issued, and not
to those which had recently been given out.—(Hear.)
His, Noble Friend's attention bad been most closely di-
rected to the subject for the last three or four years. He
knew that upwards of 6,000 muskets, with the percussion
lock, had been constructed—most of them had been dis-
tributed. They had received .the approbation of
all the officers. Complaints had been made
with regard to the Royal Marines. He believed that
4,000 or 5,000 of those muskets had been given to that
corps,
which had received the unqualified approbation
of the officers.athe
His reason for making the statement
might not io forward to the public
]ate Master-General of the Ordnance
wasattthat
lt
had neglected his duty.
Captain BOLDER °, in reply to the Hon. Member
for Finsbury, said, the Master-General of the present
board had not received any communication from Mr.
Warner on the subject of the invention.
Mr. WAKLEY said that the question was whether it
was the intention of the Board of Ordnance to institute
any inquiry on the, subject.
Captain BO
to take upon himself the
o
LDLRO said the Master-General did not
consider himself authorized
responsibility of appointinga 123
debate referred to
by the Hon. Member for Finsbury.
Mr, BROTHERTON said, in the
he had entered his
,previous sanction of her cmittee, without the
Majesty's Ministers.
.
protest against the Government giving their sanction in
offering a reward to men who exercised their talent and
ingenuity in discovering some infernal machine for the
destruction of human life. Ira man used his talents to
promote the happines of his race he was entitled to re-
ward, but not for using them for an opposite purpose.
He had heard, with great delight, the announcement of
_
the Right Hon. Baronet (Sir R. Peel) that he would use
all his influnce to diffuse those sentiments in so-
ciety which would lead men to discourage war.
fia must say his heart had burned within
blip, when on a previous evening he heard the Muse
debating about locks and guns, and variops other in-
struments used in war,---(A laugh,) What would the
next generation think of the present when they read
that the House of Commons of that day had debated for
hours about implements of destruction?—(Hear, hear.)
He believed that until war and warriors were held in

less estimation, there was no hope of good for this
country. Certainly on all occasions he should enter his
protest against rewardbeing granted for inventions of the
nature then under discussion, because he conceived that
the more they discouraged war, the more would civiliza
tion advance throughout the world.
In reply to a question from an Hon. Member, whose
name we could not learn,
Lord STANLEY said that the inquiries made by Pr.
Madden on the coast of Africa, were of so private a na-
ture, that he must at present decline laying the reports
on the table.

Mr. WAKLEY begged to assure the Hon. Member
for Salford that the object of investigating the invention
of Mr. Warner was, first, on the ground of humanity;
and, secondly, on that of economy.
On the motion of Sir G. CLARKE, the Exchequer
Bills Bill was read a second time.

On the Order of the Day, for the second reading of
he Exchequer Bills Funding Bill,

POPULATION PAYMENTS BILL.

The Report on this Bill was brought up, and the
Bill was ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.

EXPIRING LAWS BILL.
This Bill, on the motion of Sir George Clerk, was
read a third time and passed.

POOR LAW COMMISSION BILL.
On the motion for bringing up the Report of the Poor
Law Commission Bill,
Mr. WAKLEY said he was anxious to learn, on the
present occasion, whether the Bon. Member for Sheffield
was prepared to state to the House the name and ad-
dress of the Guardian of the Union, with where he had
held the conversation to which he alluded last night.
Mr. WARD said he certainly was not prepared to
state any thing of the kind. The conversation had taken
place six months ago, and he thought it was more than
probable that the individual would not allow his name
to be mentioned.

Mr. WAKLEY had no objection to adopt the course,
if the House allowed Hon. Gentlemen to state conversa-
tions they had with parties, those conversations casting
calumnies on Hon. Members. But he thought the mat-
ter was of so much importance, that without entering
into any hostility with the Honourable Member, which
he trusted he should tiever be charged with,
he should sift this matter to the bottom. The character
of the House, and the safety and security of Hon. Mem-
bers, was at stake, because, if conversations of this
kind were to be related by persons under no re-
sponsibility, he would like to know where was the
protection for debate. (Hear, hear, hear.) As the
Hon. Gentleman had refused the name and address of
the Guardian, he (Mr. W.) would go through the Board
of Guardians of the Union, and ask every individual
Member whether it occurred or not. They should then
know in whose mind the calumny and slander originated.
—(Cries of " Order.")
The SPEAKER begged leave to call the attention of
the House to what he believed to be the rules of the
House. When an Hon. Member stated anything in his
place in that House, it was considered to be made on the

honour of that Member.—(Hear, hear.) It was clearly
out of order, therefore, to make any allusion to what oc-
curred out of that House.

Mr. WARD said that he could see nothing in the con-
versation that bore on the Hon. Member's case. It was
not fit that every Member should be left to interpret
the principles of a new law, or to have a Mr. Wakley in
every Board to pronounce upon the principles of the
law. He did not mean that what he had said should re-
ceive a personal construction, and he did not think that
it could be so received.

Mr. WAKLEY said he would bow to the decision of
the Chair at once. The Hon. Gentleman had not quoted
all the words he had stated last night..
The SPEAKER said that the Hon. Member was
again out of order, as it was not right to refer to a
former debate.

The Report was then ordered to be received and to
be read a third time on Monday.
Sir G. CLERK said that, for the convenience and des-
patch of business, he would move that petitions be pre-
sented at a quarter past four, instead of half-past four,
as heretofore.

On the question that the House do now adjourn,
Lord INGESTRE was about to make some explana-
tion respecting the invention of Capt. Warner, when
The SPEAKER said the Noble Lord was out of
order in alluding to a former debate.

Lord INGEStRE would take another opportunity of
making his explanation.
The House then adjourned. •

STATE OF TRADE.

There was not quite so much demand for yarn yes-
terday as on the preceding Tuesday, owing, perhaps, in
some degree to the non-arrival of a Russian mail which
was expected. Prices, however, were perfectly steady.
Goods were much the same as last week ; the prices
steady, but the market entirely without animation.
ROCHDALE FLANNEL MARKET, MONDAY, SEPT. 27.
The market has been thinly atttended to-day, and there
has been a great falling-off in the demand for flannels.
In prices there is no change. The wool market has also
been very dull, but prices steady.
HUDDERSFIELD MARKET, SEPT. 28.—This was a
comparatively flat market, although, in some descriptions
of fancies, heavy sales were made at fair prides ; but re-
cent failures in Manchester and other places have caused
misgivings, which operate unfavourably, by inducing a
degree of caution and timidity that tends to paralyze bu-
siness. Prices, however, are firm, and a fair general
business is doing in the warehouses.—Manchester Guar-
dian.

LEICESTER TRADE.—The demand for goods is dull
for the season. The hosiers complain of the difficulty
they experience in obtaining the smallest profit on their
sales; and, in some cases, sacrifices are submitted to with
the view of clearing off stock. Business is far from being
in a healthy or satisfactory condition ; but wool is firm,
without alteration in price.—Leicester Chronicle.

LATEST MANCHESTER BETTING.
MANCHESTER TUESDAY EVENING.—The room was
pretty well attended this forenoon, but we did not hear
a single offer upon the Newmarket events of the present
week. The races touched upon were as follow :
THE MOSTYN STAKES.—For this rapidly approach-
ing race, which is annually much speculated upon in
the provincial circles, Lampoon has been, by one or
two gentlemen, rather heavily backed at 7 to 2, and 3
to 1. 50 to 20 was offered at the opening of business ;
18 to 5 was asked for. After a large majority of the
company had gone down stairs, a gentleman from the
country, probably not aware of the state of the market,
laid one bet of 30 to 5 against her ; and, in a few mi-
nutes afterwards, another of 25 to 5. The layer of the
odds wanted to back Ghuznee at 5 to 1, but there was no
one left who would risk the price ; we should say 4 to 1
would be pencilled down against anything, bar Lampoon.
THE CESAREWITCH STAKES.-60 to 10 was offered
against each of two. Ruler's party are numerous, plenty
of takers of 8 to 1 ; 200 to 16 was offered on the field
" bar three," but as the room broke up was accepted.
The horses we heard named were as follow :-
5 to 1 agst Mr. Bell's The Squire—offered.
7 to 1 agst Mr. Eddison's The Ruler—taken, then
offered.
10 to 1 agst Mr. Payne's Welfare—offered freely.
200 to 16 agst Lord Palmerston's Ilioni—taken.
14 to I agst Mr. Goodman's Orelia—offered to take
15 to 1.
15 to 1 agst Lord Exeter's Bosphorus offered
freely.
20 to 1 agst Corsair—off.
20 to 1 agst Miss Stilton—taken yesterday.
20 to 1 agst Duke of Wellington—taken yesterday.
30 to 1 agst Lord Miltown'sWirrestrew—t. then off.
200 to 6 agst Rory O'More—taken and then offered.
Offers in a leading channel to take 35 fifties to one, or
any part on Wirrestrew.
THE DERBY.—The only bets we heard were 200 to 8
and one or two other bets v. Auckland ; 1,000 to 30 was
offered against one, and 1,000 to 40 against the other
horse of the Marquis of Westminster's. Offers to take
500 to 10 on Gunter, or lay. 20 ponies to one against
anything of Scott's " bar one.'

EXTRAORDINARY ATTEMPTS AT SUICIDE
AT BLACKFRIARS BRIDGE.—The mania for attempts
at suicide at this bridge has unfortunately not yet ceased.
Yesterday morning, about eleven o'clock, John Ware,
who has been the means of saving the lives of upwards
of twenty individuals, was successful in rescuing another,
after a most determined suicidal attempt. About the
hour above stated, a young lady was observed on the
steps on the south (Surrey) side of the bridge.
The tide was about half-flood, and was running up very
strong. She was extremely well dressed. She had been
but a short time on the steps, when she deliberately placed
a small hand-basket on one of them, and leaped over the
railings into the water, which is at least 12 feet deep.
Scarcely had the young lady been conveyed to the
workhouse, when another person tried to destroy herself
on the other side. She was a: woman apparently fifty
years of age ; her name is Elizabeth Bollard, and she
resides at Saffron-hill. At half-past three she walked
deliberately down the stairs of the bridge on the right
hand side, and having walked up to the middle in the
mud and water, coolly sat herself down. With some
difficulty she was got out of the river in a most de-
plorable plight. The police wore called, and she was
conveyed on a stretcher to the station-house in Black-
horse-court.

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VAUXHALL GARDENS.—The public have been
already informed that this celebrated place of amuse-
ment has been sold by auction, under an order of the
Court of Review, for the benefit of the creditors of the
estate of Messrs. Gye and Hughes. An opinion was
very generally entertained that the new proprietor, ►Mr.
Foster, would devote at least a portion of the very am-
ple site he has acquired a right over to public amuse-
ments upon a more limited Scale. It is his intention,
however, when the bargain is finally completed, which
must be in December, to lay down the whsle area for
building ground, which for that purpose will derive ad-
ditional value, should the Commissioners of Metropoli-
tan Improvements be induced to allot any portion of the
Parliamentary grant towards the formation of two new
lines of street from Vauxhall to the Westminster-road,
of which a very confident expectation is entertained.
Mr. Foster had the option of taking the fixtures of the
Gardens— such as the pavilion, the orchestra, the ro-
tunda, the theatre, the firework-gallery, the Italian tem-
ple, &c., at a valuation ; hut, having declined doing so,
the assignees of Gye and Hughes have directed the whole
to be sold.

LOVE'S TELEGRAPH.—If a gentleman wants
a wife, he wears a ring on the first finger of the left
hand ; if he be engaged, he wears it on the second fin-
ger ; if married, on the third ; and on the fourth if he
never intends to be married. When a lady is not en-
gaged, she wears a hoop or diamond on her first finger;
if engaged, on the second ; if married, on the third ; and
on the fourth if she intends to die a maid. The last is
seen about once in an age.
" I shall prevent the use of ardent spirits," as
the innkeeper said when he watered the liquors.

hem.

BRITISH IRON COMPAN -

A meeting of the Proprietors in the above Company
was held in the London Tavern this 'day.
Sir GEORGE LIRPENT took the Chair at one o'clock
and said, that being a General Special Meeting, there
were no minutes to be read. Having read the setter
calling the meeting, he said he had to inform the
Proprietors that since their last meeting their solicitors,
Mr. Stevens and Mr. Maitland, had retired—the former
on account of advanced age, and the latter because of the
distance of his offices. The Directors had appointed Mr.
Freshfield their solicitor, and he trusted the appoint-
ment of so talented and respectable a man would
give satisfaction to the proprietors. The Directors had
unanimously awardtid their thanks to their late solicitors,
and he read letters from them in acknowledgement of
the resolution.

Mr. RICARDO, the Chairman of a Committee of Proprie-
-tors, appointed to consider of _the conduct and accounts of
the Directors, &c., then read the report. It stated that they
were appointed at a special meeting in June la it, to consider
the accounts; and the best mode of closing the business
of the Company, or otherwise. It appeared to the Com-
mittee that the main object was to determine on the re-
commendation they should give their fellow proprietors
with respect to the future operations of the Company,
and more especially on the important question
of closing the works. The Company had been formed
in 1825, but they had not thought it part of their duty
to go in detail through all the accounts from that time.
They had examined and verified the statement made by
the Directors at the last meeting, and they felt them-
selves compelled to report that the books appeared to
have been kept with great care and correctness. Most of
the evils under which the Company had suffered, and
were suffering, 'arose out of the ruinous engagements
contracted in 1825. On the formation of the Com-
pany they involved it in litigation . that was unex-
ampled in this country, and consequently- entailed upon
them these enormous expences. The judgment of the
House of Lords reversing that of Lord Lynd-
hurst, was wholly unexpected by any party, but it
made a difference in the cash funds of the
Company to the amount of 850,0001. After the judg-
ment of the House of Lords, an agreement was entered
into with Mr. Attwood, and the Committee reported that
' under all the then circumstances of. the Company it was
the best thing that could be done. The Directors, however,
' were placed in circumstances of very great difficulty by
the non-payment of calls upon shares, which diffi-
culties tended to depreciate the value of their pro-
perty. Upon a consideration of the , cost of making
and the price of iron, they were of opinion that a
profit of 38,5001. might still be made if the works
were in full operation—still, considering the whole
of the circumstances in which they were placed,
the Committee, although the works might be carried on
by other parties to considerable profit, they were of
opinion that it was their duty to recommend the final
dissolution of the Company, as soon as it was possible
to sell the works without suffering the loss necessarily
attendant upon a forced sale ; this to be carried into
effect by a Committee of Proprietors co-operating with
the Directors. In order to e&ct such a desirable object
it was necessary that the works should be carried on in
full action; and that could only be done by the Proprietors
paying up their calls. The Hon. Gentleman said much as
misapprehension appeared to prevail among tEe Proprie-
tors in relation to their individual liabilit) , the Committee
inquired and found that everything that had been done
was with the full sanction of the Proprietors, and upon
their votes the credit of the Court was pledged ; there-
fore, they were individually, morally, and in honour,
as well as legally, liable for all that was owing.
No steps could be taken for the sale of the
property while the Company were involved as they
now were; and as they were threatened with another
suit in Chancery, it was most important that immediate
steps should be taken. The Committee could not close
their labours without freeing the Directors from asper-
sions cast upon them for errors committed sixteen years
ago. They were of opinion that they were fully entitled
to the thanks of the Proprietors. .

The CHAIRMAN said, before any motion was put, or
they entered into any discussion upon the Report, he
begged to state that it was as entirely unknown to him-
self and the other Directors as to any one in the room.
They had abstained from interfering in any way with the
Committee, as they were anxious only that the Proprietors
should be satisfied. He had to propose that the Report
just read be received, printed, and circulated amongst
the Proprietors. It would scarcely be possible that they
should discuss a Report which they could not possibly
understand.

Mr. HORSLEY PALMER, Deputy Chairman, seconded
the motion. It was necessary thatipll parties shoukl
have time carefully to consider a doelliment of such vast
importance.
Major .RICUARDSON did not mean to discuss the ques-
tion now, but he thought it was too long to allow the
matter to stand over till November. They ought to have a
Special Meeting within a month, and he would move
accordingly.
Mr. Brcnino—The recommendation of the Commit-
tee was framed so as, if possible, to avoid these conti-,
nual special meetings. The general meeting might be
held within five or six weeks.

Major RICHARDSON had no objection to wait that time.
The CHAIRMAN said, if they fixed upon six weeks from
that time all the accounts would be ready.
Major IIicHARDsoN thought that an object worth wait-
ing for, and had no objection to the postponement.
The CHAIRMAN said the great object was to have all
the accounts ready, and the Secretary said it would take
till very nearly the middle of November. I-Ie therefore
proposed that the meeting should take place on or before
the 20th of November.

A PROPRIETOR objected to the word " received " in
the resolution. He did not think the Report of the
Committee had yet been received.
The CHAIRMAN said the resolution was in the very
words of the advertisement calling the meeting. They
were to receive or reject the Report of the Committee.
The resolution was then put and agreed to unani-
mously.
Mr. JACKSON complained of the manner in which
the Report had been got up. It had been prepared to
meet the views of the Directors, who had appointed their
personal friends on the Committee.—(Loud cries
of "No, no.") He should forego his rights as a
partner, and forfeit his independence as a man,
if he consented to receiving the Report. If
it should come into his possession, he should tear it
to pieces, and trample it under his feet.—(Hisses, and
cries of " Shame !") He was not satisfied with the ap-
pointment of Mr. Freshfield, and should move a Com-
mittee upon the subject. The Directors had no right to
make that appointment without consulting the Share-
holders. The statements of the report were full of mis-
statements, and was a disgrace to them. He complained of
the manner in which the meeting had treated the gentleman
near him (Major Richardson). They had met his ob-
servations with marked scorn and contempt.
Major RICHARDSON—That I deny. I totally deny it.
—(Cheers.)
Mr. JACKSON resumed.—The calls made by the Direc-
tors were illegal, and he or his friends should never pay

Major RICIIARDSON said, as some of his friends
seemed to have an idea that the receiving the report
would be in some wey binding upon them, he begged to
say that they were not bound by the resolution, but
would discuss the report at the next meeting.—(Hear.)
The CHAIRMAN presumed, that having agreed to a
resolution to discuss the Report at their next meeting,
they would not now entertain the resolution, of which
notice had been given, for the immediate dissolution of
the Company, as that would be at variance with the one
that had just been passed.
Mr. WILKINSON said, as the Report had only been
read once to the meeting, it was important that the
portion of it referring to the dissolution of the Company
should be distinctly understood, as it might otherwise
prejudice their interests. He wished to know whether
the Report did not distinctly recommend that no steps
should be taken that would interfere with the carrying
on the business of the Company ?
Mr. RICARDO said the Hon. Gentleman was perfectly
correct. It recommended that the operations of the
Company should be carried on exactly as if they were to
continue the Company in its present form.
Mr. HonsLEy PALsir.a thought it of very great im-
portance that that should be distinctly understood, be-
cause the value of mineral property was greatly affected
by the permanency and character of the works.—
(Hear, hear.) Although the works and property of the
Company were of considerable value, it would be
perhaps impossible, under such circumstances, to
get any person to purchase it. If the works
were suddenly stopped in the first instance it
would totally destroy the value of the property.—
(Hear, hear, hear.) If . it were practicable to dis-
solve and provide for the liabilities of the Company it
would certainly be the shortest way, but that it was im-
possible to do, and they must go on with it until they
found buyers who would carry it on on their own ac-
count. The Congreave Works had übtained a high
name and character in the trade, but if they were
suddenly stopped it would destroy their value as a
property to a great extent.—(Hear.),
The CHAIRMAN, to prevent misconception, would
read the passage in the Report It Is necessary,
however, that the works should be maintained in
ma
them, and
taken as
com-
plete action to prevent their deterioration pending their
consequentlysale, orany other
that
orders
final arrangementfor iron
irsehsopueicdt
heretofore, and any portion of theSe orders remaining
over should be provided for in the conditions of sale."—
(Hear, hear.) Now, be thought that recommendation
extremely necessary, considering the large orders for
iron they received, and the extensive value of their busi-
ness,:t manage these works
Its admitted that they
were extremely valuable, but under the and it would be extremely injudicious to throw
any doubts upon the character of the works. It did
nwoitthfolalodwvanthtaagtee, others might
It
n t
circum-
stances in which the Company were placed—after the
litigation which had lasted for so many
, years, and the
great expense entailed on them, it would appear as
if they were not the instruments by which these works
could be carried on with advantage. He hoped it would
not go forth to their rivals in trade that they might
have these works for nothing, or that they would be
taken altogether out of the field of competition, because
if they did. that they would be doing the
greatest injury
to their own property. When the iron trade was in a
healthy condition he bad no doubt but the profits on
these works would be very considerable.
Mr. RICARDO reminded the Chairman that in one
part of the Report it was distinctly stated that these
works could be carried on with great advantage, and that
the statement of profits made by the Directors appeared
to be fair and reasonable.
Major RICHARDSON said neither himself, nor the
Shareholders who acted with him', were inclined to depre-
ciate the value of the works, because they had sent per-
sons down who had minutely examined the works, and
had considered them fully worth the money
that had been paid for them. Ile also approved

of the manner in which it was proposed to
carry on the works, as he thought it would tend to
increase, or at all events to maintain, the character of
the works, to continue them in operation. He would re-
mind the meeting that for land of the very same quality
as theirs Lord Dudley asked 2,0001. per acre, and there-
fore theil 200 acres must be worth a very considerable
sum.

The CEIAIRBIAN said there was no further business
before them, and the meeting then separated.

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, Sept. 28.
Their Lordships met at Five o'Clock.
FROGMORE ESTATE BILL

On the motion of the Duke of WELLINGTON, the
Frogmore Estate Bill was read a second time, and ordered
to be committed on Thursday.

The Duke of WELLINGTON also moved the se-
cond readinf, of the Royal Gardens Bill,

Lord BROUGHAM said that he understood that this
Bill had received the sanction of the Noble Lord lately
at the head of the Woods and Forests' department, than
whom no person had ever better performed the duties
of his office. The Bill, therefore could be well recom-
mended, but he could not avoid expressing his regret that
applications of this nature should be so readily re-
sponded to by Parliament, when he had so much diffi-
culty to wring from them 10,0001, or 20,00 C/. for the
education of the people.
Lord MELBOURNE said, that all who had witnessed
the miserable accommodation for the Queen's horses be-
fore the new stabling was erected would admit the abso-
lute necessity of the new erection.
After a short conversation, the Bill was read a second
time, and ordered to be committed on Thursday.
The Earl of REDESDALE presented a petition from
Wigan, against Sunday trading.