The Sun.
London, England, 1840-02-05 00:00:00

E ENIN G EDITION.

:hose who had shown the greatest patience under the
so-eatest evils.
Mr. HUME thought that the House should know the
nature of the inquiry, and whether it was to extend to the
vein' or political condition cf the people. Ele would
advise the Noble Lord to give more dafiaite instructions,
or to have no Committee at all. His reason for supporting
the original motion was, that its object was for inquiring
into the political as well as social evils of the country, and
into the best means for remedying them.
Lord GRENVILLE SOMERSET thought it would
be advisable that the House should know what was to be
the precise nature of the inquiry. Would the Committee,
fur instance, have authority to inquire into the late dis-
turbances in Monmouth, and into the circumstances which
had attended them ? Did the Noble Lord conceive
that any Committee of the kind could be conducted with-
out any allusion being- made to the general political con-
dition of the country? He should b glad to see a Com-
mittee appointed with the definite object of having to in-
Ruire into questions of a social, political, or economical
nature. It would, however, in his opinion, be quite ridicu-
lous to form a Committee unless it could go into political
questions.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that it did not
seem impossible to him to inquire into the state
of the mining and manufacturing districts .without enter-
ing in detail into political grievances. He thought, however,
that it should be left to the discretion of the Committee to
limit the extent of its inquiries.
Lord GRENVILLE SOMERSET said he under-
stood they that the inquiry was to be into everything con-
nected with the distresses of the country.
Mr. LAMBTON objected to the explanation which
the Noble Lord had given of the objects of the Commit-
tee. He should, for his part, confine himself as a Member
of the Committee to the words of .the motion, and he
should not adopt the course alluded to by the Noble Lord.
Mr. SLANE Y then said that he would withdraw his
'notion for the present. He would, however, again bring
it forward in a manner to meet the views of Hon. Gentle-
men who objected to it in its present form.
Mr PRESCOTT said that he should strongly object
to the limited nature of the amendment before the House.
He believed that as much, if not of discontent, at
least of distress, existed among the rural population as
in the towns.
Sir E. KNATCHBULL said that since he had a seat
in that House he had not seen it in such a position as it
was in at present. The Hon. Member for Shrewsbury
had introduced a motion on a subject of great importance,
and the Government did not seem to know what course
to take on the occasion. If any one had entered the
House during the speech of the Meyer, he would have
found almost every Member of the Ministry absent, and he
night suppose that the business of the Government was
conducted by the Hon. Member for Kilkenny and a few
others. In matters of this kind it had hitherto been the
practice that some Members of the Government should be
.present, and that they should take a decided position.
Lord J. RUSSELL said that he was surprised at the
exprewions which had just fallen from the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet. The Hon. Member for Shrewsbury had commu-
nicated to him (Lord J. Russell) his intention of bringing
forward such a motion as he had done. He said at the time
that he should not conduct the inquiry, but that if its ob-
jects were limited he should not object to it.—( Hear.)
Ha certainly did not see anything in that which could call
down on him the censures of the Right Honourable Ba-
ronet. He thought the Government had done all they
were bound to do on the occasion. Under these circum-
stances he could hardly account for the invectives of the
Right Hon. Baronet, had it not been for his recent defeat
and disappointment,—.(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
Motion withdrawn.
SALE OF BEER.
Mr. PA KINGTON said that in bringing forward the
motion regarding the sale of beer, of which he had given
notice, he felt reluctant to trouble the House at any length.
It was a motion of the same nature as that which he had
brought forward last year, namely, that no one should be
allowed to sell beer without the possession of certain qua-
lifications. Ha now wished that the motion should be
postponed till the second reading of the Bill. The Hon.
Gentleman then concluded by saying that he would move
for leave to bring in a Bill to alter and amend the sale of
beer.
Mr. HUME submitted to her Majesty's Ministers
wheiher it was right to bring in a Bill on the subject in
nuestion, after that of last Session bad been introduced.
(lc objected nn the ground that it was an unwise meddling
with property invested in that way to a great extent. IF
there was any Bili to be introduced it would be the duty
of Government to do so atter having entered into an in-
cptiry into the matter. He therefore submitted that the
Bill should not be introduced.
mr. WA RI3 U RTON thought, if any houses of public
entertaiernent ought to be placed under regulation, it
should he those in which spirits were sold, and not those
in which beer was sold. He should support any Bill
sabjceting all victualling houses alike to police regulations,
bat be aoul.i oppose a partial measure of this nature in
every stage.
Mr. WA K LEY wished to know what was the specific
object that the lion. Member wished to attain by bringing
in this Bill.
Mr. P A KINGT ON said his object was to diminish the
number, and increase the respectability, of beer-houses.
After a few words from Mr. ALSTON, leave was given
to bring in the Bill.
Mr. HE R RIES postponed the motion of which he had
_t'v-rt notice, fsr accounts of public income and expend--
t•itc, to Thursday se'anight.
:t3IIMMARY CONVICTION BILL.
fir EAR[)LrEY WI LmoT moved for leave to bring
io a Bill to aut•eorise the summary conviction of Juvenile
Offeedars in certain cases of Larceny.
After a short paws.,
Mr. FO X MALT LE seconded the motion, which was
eeseed to.
TRUSTEES OF GRAMMAR SCHOOLS.
Sir E. WILM OT moved for leave to hi leg in a Bill
to authori.e trustees of Free Grammar !Schools to enlarge
the stet's of education therein pursued, under certain
restrietiees. It was net Lis wish to interfere with the
fo,i„,Tvions of those schoo:.3, hit to extend t -sir efficiency.
t!lo days when they wet e founded, Latin was tllO
of Our loan eel our religion, and therefore was
:be key of ail knowledge; but now some measure was
' see„ :,cry to enable trustees to introduce those branches of
ortoseiedge which were now essential to a good education.
ITrustees, by going to the Court of Chancery, might,
at a great expense, erila-ge their powers his
lob!cet was, by a general public Act, to give
trustees the powers which they now could only obtain at
great expense ; he proposed to give trustees the power,
atter previding for the teaching of the classics, to devote
the foods to the teaching of other branches of useful know-
ledge, and to feted exhibitions, provided their proceed-
ings met with the approbation of the Court of Chancery.
Ile would interpose sufficient time between the first and
second reading, to enable the House to make itself ac-
cplainted with the details of the proposed measure.—Leave
given.