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61 i ef. To that he would answer that the lines which he had They had been taunted by the Hon. Member for Portsmouth '"s ole benefit of the people, but by gentlemen
in view would pass through the Enlist of the dis- with the impossibility of raising the money ; but did they re- of the monied interests of England—( Loud cheers)—by per-
turbed districts—principally the south and western (cis- fleet that for every 4,009,0001. of money raised, 2,0( 0,0001. sons who had embarked in common in railways in both Eng-
passed were to be secured on the property of the country ? Then it land and Ireland, and who were prepared, effectively to con-
tr.], is of Ireland. Whetht r these railways
through the best or the worst parts of Ireland, they was asserted, that only 25 per cent, of the two and a half mil- duct railways in Ireland with the same advantage, the same
would, he was sure, do great good to the people of that lions to be raised, in the first instance, would he expended in economy, and with the same superintendence which the lion.
country generally. With regard to the measures ot the Go- the payment of wages. But he would come to fact, and Gen lemen had shown to be perfectly effectual for the purpose
vernmen, the did not believe they would meet the distress, or figures—figures which could, if they were wrong, be of establishing and completing railways in England. If the
secure the ends desirous of being secured. The Bill that controverted the next morning. The Noble Lord who had lion. Gereleman found that the necessary capital could be so
offered facilities to the cultivation of land was a measure made this statement had said, that out of the first six millions, easily ob'ained in England, on what ground was it
founded on a generous and praiseworthy principle, but he did four mitlions would be
,consumed in the payment of wages. that they were to suppose, that if these railways
not think it would be largely taken advantage of. It would What was the case? Why, in the Midland Counties Railway, in Ireland were likely to be of great private
sot take up to any great extent the surplus population of Ire- which cost upwards of 40,0001. a mile, 5,0001. was paid and public benefit, the same individuals who bad
laud, as a great portion of the landed proprietors were small for the plant, and 6,0001. per mile for the perma- applied their money to railroads in England and Ireland could
holders, and they would not be in a position to take advan- vent way. What then became of the remaining 27,0)0/.? not get the means to be able, without the assistance of Parlia-
tage of the provisions of the Bill. What was wanted was a Why, it was spent in the payment of wages. What was ment, to effect in Ireland what had been effected in England.
plan that would largely employ the surplus labouring PoPulas lh'.case with the York and North Midland, on which the He said this was first prima facie evidence against the Bill.
tion, and that was the reason why he supported it.—( Hear, works were small? They cost 23,000/. per mile. There was It might not be a serious matter to these who proposed this
hear.) They must have great public works, and none were 1.8001. for the plant, and 5,500/. for the permanent way. novel plan, but it was to the Chancellor of the Exchequer;
of such a beneficial character as railways.—( Hear, hear.) The What became of the remaining 17,500/. ? It was paid for la. it might not be of much consequence to those who, without
objections which had been urged against the works done bmr. In the Leeds and Bradford, which he had just eon- consideration, and by a measure which he could not help
under the Labour Act of last session did not apply to those smucted, the cost was 33,000/. per mile, of which saying had not received due consideration—especially of its
now proposed to be made, as railways, he was persuaded, 23,000'. were paid for labour; and in the sleepers, effect upon the money market. It was a measure of uncertain
would ultimately become most profitable speculations, the rails, chairs, and all the other works occasioned by the character. They must not singly look at the expenditure of
With regard to the Irish landlords, he maintained employment of no labour, the remainder was expended. the 16,000,0001., but whether the expenditure of that sum
that they had been much misrepresented.—( Hear, hear.) But they might say that there was great consumption of bricks, would relieve them from providing for those of which the Bill
They had in a great number of instances done all that was in for there was a great quantity of labour used in took no cognizance, who were a considerable distance from the
their power, and did not justify the attacks which many Hon. the construction of bricks. He could assert, however, works, or who were unable to work at them. They must, there.-
Members had made upon them. He had supported the mea- the immense cost of bricks on a railway was not more than fire, in addition, incur the expenditure which the Hon. Gentle-
sures proposed some years ago by a former Government 6001. per wiles What, then, became of the allegation that man the Chancellor of the Exchequer had foreshadowed. The
brought in by the late Chief Commissioner of Woods and only from 2a to 30 per cent.. of the money expended on a rail- 4,000,04;0'. proposed to be expended during the first year,
Forests, and he was persuaded that had that plan been carried way was used fur the payment of labourers? If the Hon. would, with grants already proposed, be increased by the end
into effect, the present evils which had overtaken Ireland would Member for Lincoln had been in his seat he could have told of the year to 11,000,000/. ; the Government proposition
have in a great measure been mitigated. The calamity was them that on an average 1,300 men per mile were engaged in amounts to 7,000,000 e for the year, and this with the certainty
one that no human foresight could have avoided ; still had the the construction of a railway. He did think it, then, any- of having to pay 4,000,000/. more for the three succeeding
rn 'asure of 1830, for carrying out railways been effected, thing but right that the motives and the conduct of an indi- years. The Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Hudson) had taunted the
Ireland would not present such a sad spectacle as it did now.— vidual representing as large a constituency as any man in that *Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Baring) with having been willing, in
(hear, hear.) The Boa. Member for Montrose (Mr. Hume) House should he so grievously misrepresented. The Hon. 1839, to lend 5,000.0001. for a purpose totally different, whilst
had expressed great alarm at the measure of the Noble Lord, Member for Oxford had stated that in 1539 he had voted on- there was a deficiency in the revenue of 1,400,000/a and that
the Member for Lynn, and had expressed his intention to reservedly for the advance of five millions for the benefit of it was quite inconsistent for him to oppose the measure of the
oppose it. It seemed that he had greatly changed since he Ireland, with very little expectation of receiving it back again Noble Lord. They had seen by the late returns that the sum
spike on the Railway Bill of Lord Moeth, in 1839. —but there was security, valid security, for the proposed grant. (Isis of the year would be 3,000,0001. ; but if the grants to
(Hear.) He then was strong in favour of introducing The financial state of the country was very different now to Ireland were to be defrayed, they must raise 6,e00,000/. or
Theme,
--'---s- in Ireland, as a means of employing the people what it was at the t itne alluded to by Right Hon. Gentleman 7 'OOO,OOO •to meet them, so that there was no superabundant
and laying the foundation of the permanent prosperity of the the Chancellor of the Exchequer. At the time the Right lion, revenue ; and the present period was likely to be
country. How was it that the Hon. Member had changed Gentleman had referred to there was a deficiency in the one of more embarrassment than 1839. —( Hear, hear.)
his opinion ? Was it that he was then Member for the city revenue,. and yet the Right Hon. Gentleman came down there He did not think that they should depart from the principle
of Kilkenny ?—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.") Such had been to school them upon the extravagant nature of their demands, upon which the country had ever acted, upon which public
the opinion of that Hon. Member. Whatever view might exist The state of the country now was very different to what it was works had been executed, and not less successfully than they
as to some lines of railway in Ireland, there could be no doubt then. At the present time there was no deficiency in the had been conducted in other countries. Although he did not
that a great line from Dublin to Cork would he a most sue- revenue, and he thought it was not too much for them to deny that there were occasions when it might be necessary to
cessful undertaking, and instead of taking fire or six years upon come down to the House to ask for the assistance of a interfere, he did maintain. that, coming into the field with
making it, if they constructed it in one or two years, the few millions to promote the enterprise of the country. The individual enterprise was a measure which was inexpedient
greatest national benefits would accrue. It would be the means Right Hon. Gentleman had selected them because they had in itself, and not calculated to effect beneficial results.
ot making Cork the great entrepot of the British empire. Ac- asked for a vote to facilitate the returns to this country ; and The Honourable Gentleman had stated that the sue.
aiding to the authority of one of the best statistical works yet, in the face of all this argument to the contrary, the Right ceis of a line depended upon prudence and economy,
Mon. Gentleman came down to that House and asked them it was a principle perfectly true that in dealing with borrowed
a or published on Ireland, that by Sir Robert Kane, the west
. extravagantly)
--and that when a manager had
than with any
enact of Ireland was eminently adapted for the accent_ to vote money without the slightest chance of a return. The
money people went far more
~
r. elation of the commerce of Europe and America, and railways Government seemed to entertain some alarm upon this ques-
other—(Cries of " Oh, oh!
s, otld be the grand means of giving the necessary facilities. tion, but, for his own part, he bad not the slightest hesitation a lien on a concern he was far more careful than otherwise.—
Then he went on to say that the extension of railway and steam in saying that he was prepared to risk every 6d. of his (Oh,
offered
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ould state why.
cherprise would soon remedy these evils, and extend to a great Property in Irish undertakings, provided always that ways d
infair security
nad a railway lreland c;lledethwe Dublin and ThepDrogheda,
d.ssree the Irish fisheries. But it was said, "Oh, these things there should be a strict and searching examination into the
file to result from the hard-earned wages of the English merits of the undertakings upon which it was proposed to in that passed through four-and-twenty miles of a most pro-
-
eeple." He believed there existed no greater fallacy than this. vest money at the risk of the Government. He considered ductivecountry, and which opened a channel of communication
he Noble Lord proceeded to quote from documents the that the speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman was exceedingly with the northern parts of the country which were the most in-
'ameunts collected from the Irish revenue, and the sums ex- injurious, because, even supposing these Irish schemes might dustrious and active. And it appeared, by a public document,
pended in improvements, and he alleged that a surplus was Yield no returns, it was not right or just that the Right Hon. that 7.5/. shares in that line, on which 701. had been paid—were
transmitted to this country. The completion of good roads had, Gentleman should depreciate their value by expressing his selling within the last ten days for 581. The Honourable
in a great measure, done away with illicit distillation, and what concurrence in such an opinion. He should regret Gentleman was extremely anxious to impress upon the
might not then be expected from the construction of railways', very much the rejection of this measure. He had House, that borrowed money was not the money of
Ihe construction of these lines would be the openine of untold supplied the Noble Lord with every information the state. But did the Honourable Member recollect
w alth, arid then England would not merely be repaid by the on the subject, and, having done so, he felt that he had per- that taxes should be imposed to pay the interest
I rayers of the Irish labourer, to whom she had given the means formed a duty to his country which he should never regret.— on the capital. If they once began on the principle of lend-
o! . providing food for his famishing children, but she would also (Cheers.) Undertakings of the same description had succeeded ing money to promote individual exertion, they would continu-
silly be called on to advance loans for works equally specious
Le repaid by an increased revenue ; and if that day came, as in this country, and he could nut see why they should not do
and affording promises equally tempting of giving employment
come it might, when the allurements of free trade might carry the same in Ireland. At all events, they were of the utmost
dto the people, and they would thus be continually
them too far, until they found the foreign markets shut against use to this country, and he did not see why they could not be
isposing of the surplus revenue of the country.
them, they would then find in Ireland a market superior to rendered of the same utility to Ireland. It would have
He.
.was bound to say that the Hon. Gentleman in his
North or South America, and the Government seed which they been presumptuous in him had he brought the
opinion had completely failed to make out his case, or show
that it would lead to any immediate beneficial effect., There
Inight at this time sow, would spring up into a goodly harvest measure forward, but still, so convinced was he
of its safety, that he repeated that he was prepared to
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re stand peace.
Mr. CHAPLIN (the new Member for Salisbury) said that character. He felt convinced, therefore, that this was the
I.e would not have presumed to address the House so very soon only measure that could redeem the condition of Ireland. there was no reasonable hope of such a result. The number of
railways were limited, and before they could begin to embark
after having become one of its Members, were it not that the fle had long and deeply considered the question, and he
solemnly declared that that was the conviction he had sin. i nportance of the subject compelled him, and that he knew in them, they should take care to enter into an examination as
the indulgence of the House would be accorded to him.— cerely come to. He thought it unfair to make a comparison be- to what would make one railroad a more profitable undertaking
( Hear, hear.) He was struck with the able and very lucid tween the measures of the Noble Lord and measures before the than another; and that very delay itself suppressed the pus-
manner in which the Noble Lord who introduced this measure House. It had been aid that it was a measure in oposition to sibility of immediate relief. If the people of Ireland would
bad stated it to the House, and he (A)r. Chaplin) was of that of the Government ; it was only brought for- exert themselves they had within their own country quite suf-
opinion that it beat the measures of the Government fairly out ward as an auxiliary to the measures of ficient capital to execute the proposed works. If they took,
of comparison. He could not help noticing the remarkable the Government. The measure for the reclamation for instance, the case of a railway from Dublin to Galway,
aecuraey of his details, aed he should say that they were in- of the waste lands in Ireland was in his opinion a good mea. made at the expense of the nation, and another line, in a pa-
controvertible. He fully believed that these statements were sure, but the Government should take care to begin at the rallel direction, on private speculation, the effect would be not '
drawn within bounds ;he felt that, from the experience he right end—let them construct the roads before they attempted only to destroy that line, but also to discourage enterprises
had had, these railways were sure of success, both in to improve the land —( Cheers)—they could then reclaim it uneertaken by private individuals.
their produce and in the security of the capital. at half the expence. He considered the measure of the Noble On the motion of Cutonel CONNOLLY,
That was more than he thought could be said in Lord as a fundamental measure.—( Cheers.) With reference The debate was then adjourned.
so ference to the plans of the Government, because they to the difficulty of obtaining the money, he did not think there NAVIGATION LAWS.
were uncertain in produce, and much more so in the security would be any difficulty in that respect Not two months since On the motion of Mr. RICARDO that the following Mem.
of the c pital. They had heard much of commissions. In he, in connexion with one or two different companies, sue- hers constitute the Select Committee on the navigation laws :
the commission with which Sir Henry Parnell was connected, ceeded in creating, in one week, a capital of 10,(00,000/. of —Mr. Ricardo, Mr. Alderman Thompson, Mr. Hume, Sir
ea the improvement of the road between London and Holv money ; the calls were made, and within six days there was not Robert Peel, Mr. Milner Gibson, Sir. Hutt, Sir George
bead, a vast sum of money was lost, because a railway was 'a-t. 25'00°1' of arrears. (Hear, hear, and loud cheers.) Clerk, Mr. Brownrigg, Mr. Bright, Mr. McCarthy, Viscount
the same time being made in a parallel direction. They were He had not the smallest doubt but that the money Sandon, Mr. Brown, Mr. Lyall, Mr. Mitchell, and Mr.
actually improving the road between Fowcester, Daventr and would be readily obtained.—( Cheers.) It was well known that Thomas Baring.
M m irmingha, white the railway was making, and therefore all in this country there were always large sums which could not Sir. IVAWN begged to ask whether the Government ap-
the money was lost. 'll'
he railways which were referred t by be invested in anything hut Government securities, which proved of the composition of this Committee on the subject of
the Noble Lord, under any circumstances, would beeventuallyi could not be lent to railways or to any other works of that the navigation laws?
made in Ireland, and the roads and worse which Government scene
d travelled nature—there was always a large surplus ready to invest in Go- Lord J. RUSSELL, who was suite inaudible in the gal-
furthering would involve a greater loss. He h
lery, was understood to say that, on seeing the names of the
: ought thus far very pleasantly with the Noble Lord abut h vernment securities, and he believed that tht funds would not
grettel that here he must leave him. He thot thate thisre vary one quarter per cent. even if the whole sum were required Committee, he was not aware that there was anything objec-
at once.—(Loud cheers.) They had been expending in this tionable in its composition.
was a matter that required considerable cagrreuunadn!
and Country, during the last four year, in railway undertaking:. at Major BERESFORD thought that on a 'subject of such
a-a are that he was approaching very tend. r ' he hewas the rate of 15,000,00'9!. ~
importance they should have appointed a fair, just, and honest
was very anxious that the Government should adopt a-year, and the same sum would, in all
probability, be required for the ensuing year. Surely, then, the Committee .- a Committee whose report would gain the con-
some portion of the Noble Lord's . country could spare 40( 0 QOO/ a year for Ireland. (Cheers ) fidence of the House of Commons. Bat he observed, that on
carry
it out themselves, and he was quite satisfied that That was a country calling'' loudly for something to be done f..n. that Committee, although there were several free-trade
it would be productive of the greatest benefit her. Government after Government had felt it to be their Members, there were only three protectionists to contend for
greatest difficulty.--( Cheers. ) They had never yet attempted tdhoeziwipllr.inciples of the laws under consideration.
to the people of Ireland. If they did undertake these works,
mustliUTbTe thought rho ion. Member who had just sat
they would be providing ample work for the people of Ireland to open up the resources of the country— the Government had
and, still further, that these works would be productive of bene: now an opportunity of doing so. If the present opportunity It was not necessary that a free
fit in a variety of ways, for they could do upon these works as were embraced, Ireland then, instead of being the sourceoh trailer should be opposed to the Navigation Laws.—(Hear,
was at present done in France, and could regulate the works anxiety to the Government, would be one of its strong arms ; hear.) He could point to the Hon. Member beside him.—
at their pleasure, and could pmy the people either in Mod or they would be able to reduce their military establisments— (Laughter, and hear, hear.) That Hon. Gentleman had asked
coin. At the time when the labour of the workmen was (Loud cheers!—and other great expenses.—(Cheers.) He for tree trade, but he was yet a staunch supporter of the Navi-
required for agricultural purposes, they could remove them thought very few lion. Members knew anything about gation Laws.—(Renewed laughter.)
front the works , and, again, when the season for agricultural Ireland.—(Cheers from the Ministerial benches.) The Lord GEO. 13ENTINCK could assure the Hon. Member
employment was passed, they could again place them upon the House was legislating for a country of which they that nothing was meant more than the Committee to give a
works. And as to the financial part of the business, the Go- knew nothing. Let the Government give to her the fair consideration of the shipping interest. It appeared that
vernment could regulate the outlays just as they pleased, with- means of ready access—(Cheers)—anti a quick communication out of fifteen members named in the Bill eleven voted the
out. at all impairing the efficiency of the works, for the advantage from point to point, and the House would soon find that there other night for an inquiry upon the navigation laws, and he
would be very few Members who would not be visiting Ireland would assure his Hon. Friend that the shipping interest, from
of the people; and this, he thought, was a sufficient reason
for the Government making the works. He was still more once or twice, at least, in the year.—( Loud cheers.) He be- one end of England to another, thought that the inquiry ought
satisfied that they would tend to develope the resources of Ire- lieved that if the House refused to sanction this measure, re- to be conducted on a principle conducive to their interests.
lend, and they could do as they pleased in the regulation of the commended as it was by gentlemen of the greatest practical Lord J. RUSSELL said that there was something in what
sr, rks. Then as to the interest which would be derived from experience, and confirmed in their opinion by that of the lion. his lion, Friend had stated in the Committee. There were
ti— outlay of the money, he believed that a far better return Member for Salisbury (Mr. Chaplin), and assured by them certainly four in favour of the navigation laws, whatever might
w-'ald be made from these works than from army other source ; that the security offered was of the most unexceptionable kind, beethe opinions of the Committee.—(Loud laughter). There
and if they would only do away with those ridiculous standing and that the country would not lose a single sixpence were four who were of opinion that they ought to be entirely
o. iers, they would reduce the legal expenses to such an extent-, of the money to be advanced, then, he thought, repealed, and seven who would give their opinion in neither
that they would save as much as would satisfy the claim for their conduct would be the means of greatly adding to the one way or the other, but retained a medium course.
interest, without going to any other fund. He trusted the weight of the arguments used by the Hon. Member for Cork Mr. FERRAND objected to the present system of the
Right Hon. Gentleman the (;hancellor of the Exchequer, (slr. O'Connell) in favour of the repeal of the union. The Committees of that House. According to the Noble Lord,
w'ien he said that in America, at the present
mueo-r, Chancellor of the Exchequer had said that there would be no there were a certain number prepared to vote against the nevi-
'tent, railways were made altogether for less money valid security for the money. Why, at least there would be gation laws and a certain number in favour of them. He also
than was paid for the legal expenses of pasting rails, which would be worth 5,0001. per mile, which the Go- objected to many Hon. Members who did not give their
a Bill in this country, was under a wrong impression, vernment might take possession of. There was not, he be-
opinions fairly, according to their profession. He had heard
By the reduetien of those expenses they would altogether ob- keyed, a single railway in Ireland which, if properly selected touch of his side of the House; he should like to know what
Mete one cause of difficulty which seemed to impede the pro- and conducted, but would prove remunerative to the that term meant ; for there were many Members on his side
gross of the measure of the Noble Lord, and he would now proprietors and the shareholders.--( Loud cheers.) The of the House which kept up a show of opposition across the
thank the Right Hon. Member for Derby for the alterations Chancellor of the Exchequer dwelt upon the cir- table, but voted with the Government on every important ques-
weich he had already made, and he would at the same time say cumstance that they would be able to employ only able- tion. To say that they would give a Committee composed
Melt he was delighted with the good temper with which the bodied men, but from the statements laid upon the table with of a certain number of his own side was plainly to say
Irish Members hail received the statements which had been respect to those who were now receiving pay on tire public that they would give them a Committee in which they should
made on this subject. If Hon. Members, who had come to this works, he would ask were not they also able-bodied labourers? have fifty Members of their own opinions, although sitting on
discussion with prejudice on their minds, would only consider They had at present 500,000 employed in that country, and this side of the House.
tlitt the forma.ion of railways in this cannery varied from did no benefit accrue to the rest of the population ?—( Hear, Sir. 11 ICA LIDO thought that the opposition of the Hon.
10,000/. or 11,000'. per mile, to 50,000/, or 60,000 e per mile, hear.) They could not employ a large body of men without Member was not fair. lie would be ready to give eight
they would see that there was a sufficient margin for a large al- assisting the vast mass of the people.—( Hear, hear.) Members from his side •f the House to seven of the other.—
lc Nance of contingent expenses, and he could himself, from The House might look gravely at the outlay of sixteen (Loud laughter.) He did not understand what Hon. Members
experience, allow for :he fairness and justice of the Noble millions, but it was not long ago when they laughed at. He was not aware that any set of gentlemen
Lent's statement.—( Cheers and counter-cheers ) meet voted twenty millions to a certain interest to compensate had assumed the power to direct a Committee.
Sir CHARLES NAPIER said that it appeared that the them for certain losses, and there was this difference in the two The CHANCELLOR OF THE EXCHEQUER said,
House had got into a complete fix. It seemed that there was cases, that with the latter it was money never to be repaid, that as Hon. Members on the other side of the House were dis-
a ofe3ire to improve the measure of the Noble Lord at the but by the proposed plan there would be abundant security for satisfied with the constitution of the proposed Committee, it
head of the Government ; and if it could b • shown that the the repayment of all the advances. He was satisfied that the weu!d be better to postpone its appointment till Monday. By
measure of the Noble Lord opposite (Lord G. Bentinck ), and security was most satisfactory. He hoped the measure would that time he hoped some arrangement would be come to.
the introduction of railways into Ireland, would tend to the be eiscussed wehoim any personal imputation. He was glad The motion was then withdrawn.
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the measure of the Noble Lord, even though the effect of the sure, and re regretted that her Majesty's Government
suecess of that measure would be to turn out the Government. did not think it necessary to accede to
thethe proposal.ember
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Y the Caledonian Canal, and that therefore mono ought to be for Portsmouth had thrown ridicule upon the measure, hut Sir. WARD had no abjection to the production of the
advanced for any, measure that would tend also to the advantage the promoters of it did not enunciate a new principle, but circular order ,• and the motion was accordingly agreed to.
of Ireland. Another Honourable Member hail nea merely asked the Government to assist private enterprise in COMPENSATION TO HUSH TENAN I'S.
o improved developing the resources of Ireland, and to adopt the same Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD brought up his Bill for
that it might he made a great naval arsenal and'de'
course as Belgium arid France had done to effect the same
~ t securing Compensation to Tenants in Ireland, which was read
po
sad he perfectly agreed with him that such mieht object in those countries.—( Hear, hear.) He believed the a first time.
and that such scourd be the case. But the improvement of same results would follow in Ireland as elsewhere, and
Cork and the promotion of the navy was not the question at that the permanent prosperity of that country would be
present. The question was, whether the present distress in secured, and contentment. civilisation, and every comfort
Ireland was to be relieved at the present moment, and by the would be introduced.—( Hear, hear.) He did not see why
plan of the Noble Lord, which was to expend 16,000,000/. Ireland should not reach the same pitch of greatness and pros-
en the formation of railways to relieve the distress of the people PeritY as Ishigland. Was there anything in the men or in the
in that country?—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) The Noble Lord capabilities of the country to preclude such an expectation?—
hail said that he would take the responsibility of the measure (Hear.) He believed not, and if they had the means of bring-
hi• and would at once assure the Government. But he
er ) greatly doubted whether the Noble Lord ing her produce to market, and the capabilities of the
could bear the responsibility, and, if Ye did take that country opened up by railway communication, the results
which he anticipated would soon be realised. Besides, if Ire-
responsibility,ponsibiltywhether he could form a Government, and if he land was benefited, England would be benefited ;if the south of
did forma
Government, he very greatly doubted also bin I Ireland, the north of Ireland ; anti the whole country in all di-
ability to carry it on. It had been stated to the House by . rections would partake of the advantage.—( Hear, hear.) The
the Noble Lord—and the statement had remained uneontra-. Right Hon. Member for Portsmouth talked of the Dublin and
dieted—that from 25 to 30 per cent. of these 16,000,000 e I Kingstown Railway, but if it existed in a populous Fart of the
would be spent in the employment of labour and the payment country, it should not be forgotten that it was constructed at a
of wages in Ireland. He would ask any Member of that very great cost. Now the promoters of the proposed scheme
House whether, if these works were to be set afloat, how much had estimated the construction of the railwa -s at 6,000/.
of the money would go to the labourers in Ireland ? And he mile, and it was his opinion they could be laid down for lepses.r
would further ask the Right Hon. Gentleman the Mayor of That was another argument why they ought to pass this Bill.
York—(Cheers and laughter) whether, if these railways —(Hear, hear.) He regretted sincerely that the Govern
-
were started, he would have nothing to do with the manage- ment intended to oppose the Bill, and considered that they.
Bacot of these railways ; and, if he had, whether he would not I
were indebted to the courtesy of the Noble Lord in intro-
feel it.—(Hear, hear.) He had no interest to gain by the
feel it his duty to employ the best persons he could find for l
I measure. He was content with the throne on which he sat.--
the performance of this labour? From what he had heard,
the people of Ireland were quite unfit, from starvation, to do (Roars of laughter, hear, hear, and cries of " Divide.")
the hard labour which would be required of them in the exe- Mr. GOULLIURN then rose to address the House, amidst
en ion of these works ; and, if they were so, would not that cries of " Divide, divide." lie said he was anxious
Hon. Member feel it his duty to the shareholders to send for to say a few words on the question before the House.
labourers from England ?—(lronical cheers.) They might say He did not wish to share any part of the Hon. Gentleman's
what they pleased, but self-interest was the rule always followed. throne—( Laughter)—neither was he inclined to impute any
He had been reminded that people were taken over to France improper motives to him for the course he had taken in the
because they were the best men., They were not the most sober preparation of the measure. He gave him the credit of having
it a, for he hail seen a great deal of them. If they could make done s, in the sincere belief that it would contribute to alle.
ee that these works would be made with advantage to Ireland viate the greatest and deepest calamity that could be inflicted
hi could give his best support to the preposition. In the pre. lon a peopl. But he admitted also that the Right Honour-
+, .t state of Ireland, it was the bounden duty of the House , able Gentleman was a great authority upon questions
"t Commons to provide for the dreadful distress that I connected with railways, and he willingiear, hear.)liy bowed to
Misted there. If such a calamity as the fire of London was j bins upon all questions of detail. (
t°''ctillir, and half of London was to be burnt down, would it not but he deduced from that example of the Hon. Gentleman
be the duty of the House of Commons to come ferward and to I himself the strongest reason for opposing the plan which the
relieve the distress that had been suffered by the measure proposed to introduce.—(Hear, hear.) He had stated
itioi seless inhabitants ? Ireland was more distant than that by constant attention he had succeeded in establishing in
E,eeland, but the d duty was, nevertheless, precisely the England a complete system of railway—a syste.m of lines which
sa'ne•—(Hear hear ) Great reflection had been made were, he said, managed with economy by private companies,
up in
wtheerehristlaneler.ds, but he believed that the Irish land• and producing results most valuable to those who hail invested
th-ir ecatiens 3Wveerry different position to the Scottish landlords; their capital in them, and to the commerce of the
apply their r,soure unencumbered, anti they could therefore districts which they traversed ; be also told them
the improvement eol had had no
s cultivation of their estates, and to that, in carrying out these projects, he
oppose the eeeexhi
,athde country. For these reasons he should difficulty of raising, by voluntary contributions, enormous sums,
biill.
Mr. HUDSON wiling by which this great object had been achieved.—( Hear, hear. )
o rose
fir•t words were quite ol
tahmed such confusion that his Therefore he had furnished to his mind the strongest proof that
ob .ervations so unfair shoinaudible,l went on to complain that Parliament had committed an error in trusting the construe-
Member of that House as tutedise.hw"t?' been made agsinst any tion of these great speculations to individual exertions, rather
tho Gallant Officer who had ' which had just fallen from than interfering, by enormous loans, to induce other persons
that if his Noble Friend's jenuLseart. down. It was true to embark their money in them. And what was the difference
his advice were asked he wo•idwere earried, and , Let veen embarking capital in Irish and in English
assistance and advice wh.ch his ez give all the railways ? Were they not all led to suppose
to afford but for his own slalreier
position which
udiciously enabled that Irish lines were constructed by Irish capital,
warsfficiently obvious, from the he, thought it alone, and that English railways were constructed by Eng-
..,,,,v,d
ever eliii,ol, d i lists capital ? Was that the ground on which this discussion
slightest intermt in, any of these r'n,i'a
the responsibility that lay u on him, teat he
was to proceed ? If it was, he wool., tell the House that it
single share, or take the
net
\_ as altogether ill-founded. The House had had before it in
Ways. Isie was quite aware that it was commonly, and
he and thegentlemen t detail in former sessions
!very ceremoniously, asserted that of the dcsitrdenftorr ions an account of the money embarked in
a ilw a i n
tEhneg land and
residence,Sc ot land
alnlde t'urns
commercehad be been
highest respectability who acted with him, were prompted
1 those who had showing
It ap- examination "ffthe
Cou
t ' •
solely by mercenary motives; but he could declare that in al
had always public motives to in either pert contributed capital for perfecting these works
unties
their projects of enterprise they
n ry•, and what was the result of an
prompt them as well as private interest.— (Laughter,)
am „untof " that
d°"us;""" I•
the
supposedh i
Constructs t htaot
be of
nt
desiroush,
,ef io t!hl
i money contr.._ ,ted to
geared that the Chancellor of the Exchegriers had committed
threeMoerth . s was a gross mistake, but if he had been misled, he (11r. railways,
contributed—not by Irish pro-
Hudson) wondered that the Right Hon. the Mem. ber prietors--not by gentlemen who sere
or Portsmouth (Mr, Baring) did not correct him. to have such taXing m. •
neci Out for the

EJECTMENTS IN SLIGO.
Lord CLEMENTS gave notice that, as the Right Hon.
Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer had left his
place, he would, on Monday, ask him on what authority
he had made the statement which he had dome that night in his
speech as to the ejectment of tenants by landed proprietors, at
S,igo?
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
llouse adjourned at Half past Twelve o'clock.

'he Total Abstinence 6uctety of Liverpool adopted
a new plan of obtaining an audience for their lectures on
Tuesday, having offered soup tickets to those who should
attend. By this-means a goodly concourse assembled to best
the advantages to lee derived from total abstinence; and at
the close of the speeches 433 soup tickets were distributed.
Viscount Melbourne entertained Viscount and
Viscountess-Palmerston and a select party to dinner on Wed-
nesday, at his Lordship's residence iu South.street.
NOVEL Hoax.—A curious hoax was played off
on Mr. George Davies, of Oldbury, near Bridgnorth, last
week, by some kind neighbours spreading a report that, in
consequence of the severity of the weather, he had given
leave to the poor people of the town to gather turnips from
one of his fields near the church. The consequence of this was
that a fine field of about eight acres of capital swede turnips
was densely thronged by parties availing themselves of the
opportunity, and it was not till full two acres had been
cleared of the crop that the owner was apprised of what was
going on. Great was his astonishment, and as great kis vexa-
tion, particularly so as many parties who had benefited
thereby informed him that a Mr. Fletcher, a baker, of the
New Town, had told them of the matter. Upon that person
b-ing applied to he said he had heard the.report, the same as
others had, and had only mentioned it again. Mr. Davies
caused two women to be apprehended, and taken before the
magistrates, at their meeting on Saturday, when the case
was heard ; and as the proceeding bore no felonious intent,
the parties, Sarah Adams and Jane Hurst, were severally
tined in the sum of 6d. each, and discharged, with a caation
in future always to ask leave of the owner previous to again
going out on such a Quixotic expedition.— IVercestersisere
ronicle.

DEATH IN THE STREET.—Yesterday, Mr. G. I.
Mills held an inquest at the Churchill Arms, Kensington, on
the body of Elizabeth Jeffreys, aged fifty-two years, who
was found on Sunday night, opposite the residence of the
Princess Sophia, apparently in a dying state. It ap-
peared that the deceased was a widow, carrying on the busi-
❑ess of a laundress, at No. 13, Camden-street, Kensington
Gravel-pits. About nine months ago she broke a blood-
vessel, from the effects of which she was believed to have
recovered. On Sunday last she left home at eleven o'clock
in the forenoon, to go and see her married daughter at Wool-
wich. She left there late in the evening, and came from
t,)wri in an omnibus to Kensington Church, and was seen
about twenty minutes to twelve o'clock at night sitting in
Church-lane, opposite the Princess Sophia's residence, on
the - kerb• stow.•. She appeared very ill, and complained of
pain in her chest. She was promptly conveyed home by the
police, and Mr. Cobb, surgeon, was sent for, but deceased had
expired. Mr. Cobb gave it as his opinieu that death had
been caused by the rupture of a vessel on the lungs, from
natural causes. The jury returned a verdict to that effect.
CITY OF LONDON GENERAL PENSION SOCIETY.--
The Duke of Cambridge has honoured Mr. H. F. Richardson
with his commands that the festival of this charity should
take place on the 31st Mar. when his Royal Highness will
preside. The illustrious Prince has before presided. lip-
wards of seventy merchants and others have already joined
the stewardship, and by the period of the announcement of
the list, it is anticipated it will be the largest of the season.
Lord Ashburton is president this year, and 110 vice-presi-
deuta adorn the publications issued by the society.