The Sun.
London, England, 1847-05-29 00:00:00

RAIL WAY DEPARTMENT.

On the question that 17,0001. be voted to her Majesty,
to defray the expenses of the Railway Commissioners'
services,
Colonel SIBTHORP said he could see no necessity
why the country should be put to such an expense. It
ought to be paid by the railway companies.
Mr. HUDSON said he did not approve of the Board.
All the railway companies considered it quite uncalled
for, and he could not agree to the suggestion of the
Hon. and Gallant Gentleman opposite. In selecting
the officers of the Railway Board, he regretted that Go-
vernment had not appointed gentlemen who were con•
versant with the railway system. 8,0001. a year would
be quite sufficient for the expenditure of the Com-
mission.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the annual expenditure of the board was only
12,0001., and he was quite sure that the ability and
integrity with which the Hon. Gentleman conducted his
own affairs put a much larger sum iuto his pocket than
that now proposed as a salary for the officers of the
board.

Mr. HUDSON—Oh, but that is a mere speculation
—(Laughter.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the appointment of the board was most popular,
and the object of the Government was not to have any
one upon it who was connected with railroads, in order
to secure perfect fairness, and to leave no room for
jealousy or suspicion of favouritism.
Col. SIBTHORP said that one of the duties of the
board should be to ascertain how far compensation has
been given, can be, and must be given to the families of
those who have been injured by accidents upon railroads,
which he was sorry to observe were daily occurring.
The Government were bound to take care of the lives of
the people, and they should, therefore, pay attention to
the subject.
Mr. STRUTT said, that an Act was passed at the end
of the last session for the purpose of giving compensa-
tion to the surviving relatives. He had also to assure
the Hon. Member that there was no portion of their duty
to which they paid so much attention as to the causes
of accidents. And when they heard of the melancholy
accident to which reference had been made, they sent
down a very able engineer, with whom they had asso-
ciated, Mr. Walker, a very eminent gentleman ; and
they had communicated with the other departments of the
Government, in order that some steps might be taken.
The Board of Ordnance had also sent down engineers
—(Hear, hear)--to examine into the circumstance at
the case.

Mr. HUME considered that it was most important to
continue the commission, and that it should be sup-
ported in an efficient manner.
Mr. WILLIAMS did hope that her Maj, sty's Go-
vernment would place great power and control in the
hands of the commission, even so far as to extend to
the regulation of the goods on the different railways.
After a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the Ex-
CHEQUER ond Mr. HUDSON,
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the Government
had any return by which they were able to ascertain the
number of third class carriages in which the passengers
were obliged to stand.
Mr. STRUTT said, that under the terms of the Act
passed last year, each railway company was obliged to
run one train, at least, during the day, at a speed of not
less than twelve miles an hour, and at the charge of a
penny the mile, closed and with seats ; but whether any
company thought fit to run any other carriages at a less
cost, or with less convenience, was an affair of which the
Act took no cognisance.
The vote was then agreed to.
PUBLIC RECORDS.

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The sum of 12,8121 was then proposed for the ex-
penses of the offices of public records, compensation to
officers, &c. _ _

Mr. i'IIoTHEROE hoped that some safe and perma-
nent place would shortly be prepared for the reception
of the public records, in order to reserve them from the
very unsafe position in which many of them were now
placed.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
that the subject was under the consideration of the
Government. There was, however, consWerable diffi-
culty in obtaining a suitable site for the erection of such
a building, which he hoped would soon be met.
Dr. BO WRING thought that attention ought to be
bestowed by the Government in the collection of the
early records of the histories of this country, which were
believed to exist in great numbers, and of great value,
especially some of the writings of the monkish historians.
Great progress had been made in collections of this kind
by the different countries on the continent.
Mr. PROTHEROE thought it a matter of import-
ance to consider in what manner it would be best to give
the information which would be so collected to the
public.
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was agreed to.
INSPECTORS OF FACTORIES AND MINES.
A vote of' 13,0341., to defray the expenses of the sala-
frn
of the Mr.
sala-
ries of the inspectors of factories and mines was then
agreed to.
HEREDITARY CROWN REVENUES.
The sum of 1,755/. was then
proposed to defray the
expenses of certain officers in Scotland, formerly de-
frayed out of the hereditary crown revenues of that
country.
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the vete.• Lie had

divided the House upon several occasions on the vote ;
he would not, however, do so on the present occasion,
but he hoped that the vote would not be again brought
forward.
LORD LIEUTENANT'S HOUSEHOLD.
The sum of 6,4641. was then proposed to defray the
charges of the salaries of the officers, and other expenses,
of the household of the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland.
Dr. BOWRING objected to the vote; one of the
items of which it was made up was 1,5001. to be laid out
in Queen's Plates to be run for at horse races. He
thought that in the present distressing state of that
country, it was most unreasonable to ask the House to
agree to vote away such a sum for such a purpose.
Mr. LABOUC HERE defended the vote on the ground
that various sums were voted by the House for England
and Scotland for this purpose, and he thought it would
be most invidious to refuse to Ireland so small a vote as
that now proposed.
Mr. 'WILLIAMS thought that it would be just as
reasonable to propose a vote for the encouragement of
cock-fighting and badger-baiting as for the promotion of
the gambling and nefarious system of horse-racing. He
should move as an amendment that the vote be reduced
to the sum of 4,890/. ls. 3d., thereby excluding the item
for Queen's Plates.
The gallery was cleared for a divisihn, but none took
place, and the vote was agreed to.
22 788/ was also agreed to for the Chief Secretary's
and Privy Council Offices, Ireland.
On the vote of 5,135/. being proposed to defray the
expenses of the office of the Paymaster of the Civil Ser-
vice in Ireland,
Mr. HUME objected to that vote, and said that the
office of the Lord-Lieutenant of Ireland should be done
away with altogether. Ireland should be placed on the
same footing in every respect as England, and if this
equality was secured, there would be little occasion for
such offices as that for which the present rote was pro.
posed. If he had the good fortune to be returned to the
next Parliament, ho would not allow the first session to
pass over without submitting a motion to the House to
abolish the Lord-Lieutenant's office, and he believed
there would not be found a single Member who would
not join him in getting rid of an institution whose only
object appeared to be the creating and fostering a "()Teat
system of cabal. This mode of dealing with Ireland
was not the proper one, and had the effect of making
that country a colony instead of an integral part of the
United Kingdom. He would enter his protest against
this and similar votes, as he believed those offices en-
tailed a useless and unnecessary expense upon the
country.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said that whatever opinion
might be entertained with respect to the utility of these
offices, it was not upon an item like that the question
could he discussed. His Hon. Friend said the general
advantage should be looked to in the application of his
expenditure, and he agreed with him in that opinion,
but he would not then enter into a discussion of the
question which the Hon. Gentleman brought before
them.

The vote was then agreed to.
On the vote of 27,0281. to defray the expenses of the
Board of Public Works in Ireland,
Sir R. FERGUSON asked the Chancellor of the Ex-
quer what arrangement was made with respect to the
salary of the Chairman of the Board ; and he should
also like to know what part of that office was to be tem-
porary, and what permanent ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, who
was very imperfectly heard, was understood to say,
that he was not able to state what part of the office
would be permanent and what temporary.
Mr. HENLEY said the vote was very much increased
since last year. It was very large, and as it was an ad-
ditional sum to what was expended in the weekly
superintendence of the works going: on in Ireland. He
thought it would he very desirable to know what part
of the office was to be temporary and what permanent.
The vote was then agreed to.
On the vote of 39,0001. to defray the secret service
expenses,
Dr. BOWRING thought it very strange that the
same amount should be asked year after year for this
item, and he wished to know if there was any balance
ever left from former years.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
the vote every year was struck on an average by former
years.

Mr. HUME objected to the vote altogether. He did
not think that bribing a set of fellows, such as those
who received this money, was the proper plan for any
Government to is,dopt. A Government that could nor
carry on its business without resorting to this expedient
vas not fitted to carry on the aff,,irs of the country.
The tendency of such expenditure was always to in-
crease more and more, and be protested against such an
outlay at all.
Mr. WILLIAMS considered it would be very desi-
rable to know whether any balances of this expenditure
remained at the end of the year. He thought the vote
was a most objectionable one, and that it created the
most erroneous impressions among the people, many of
whom supposed that a considerable portion of it was de-
voted to electioneering expences.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
such a report was altogether without foundation. The
expenditure of this vote was strictly looked after, and
he did not think that any portion of it was unnecessarily
incurred.

The vote was then agreed to.
295,5131. was proposed to defray the expenses of the
stationery and printing, Ste. of the various public de-
partments.
Mr. WILLIAMS considered that this was a most
enormous sum, and would like to see a detailed account
of this expf.mliture.
Mr. PARKER said there were so many returns or-
dered by the House—so many inquiries made, and so
many documents demanded, that a very large expendi-
ture was necessarily incurred.
Mr. CARDWELL corroborated this statement, and
said if a detailed return of the cost of printing each do-
cument was made, the expenditure under this vote
would be greatly increased.
After a few words from Mr. HUNIE, who was desir-
ous that a full detail of the accounts should be given,
Dr. BOWRING said if the statements made by the
late Secretary of the Treasury (Mr. Cardwell) were
correct, it only showed the complicated and entangled
way in which the public accounts were kept, and the
necessity which existed for an improved system of keep-
ing them.
Mr. CARDWELL said that these observations were
entirely unfounded and uncalled for. What he said
simply was a detailed account of the cost of printing
each return would cause a very considerable additional
expenditure.
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Lord G. BENTINCK thought that many of the re-
turns ordered were useless, and he should like to have a
return of the cost of the various documents which had
been moved for by the two Hon. Gentlemen opposite
(Dr. Bowring and Mr. Hume.)—(Laughter.)
Mr. HUME had not the slightest objection to accede to
the Noble Lord's wish, and to challenge him to say that
he (Mr. Hume) ever moved for a return that he did not
afterwards make use of.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble
Lord had no right to say that the papers he moved for
were useless and unnecessary. Let the papers be looked
at, and it would be seen that in the great majority of in-
stances his object was removal of existing abuses.—
(Hear, hear.) As there appeared, however to be some
reluctance to give a detailed account of the expenditure
of this item, he would, on Monday next, move that these
accounts be analysed, and that the result be laid before
the House.

Sir W. CLAY said there could be no doubt that many
of the returns moved for were quite unnecessary, and
only gave trouble to the department without producing
any advantage.
Mr. WILLIAMS said it appeared that there had been
an increase of 68,0001. in the course of last year ; but
the Hon. Gentleman had only accounted for 11,0001.
He was not aware that more Parliamentary papers were
published last year than in its predecessor. He hoped,
therefore, that the Hon. Gentleman would take the
subject into consideration, and that for the future a
succinct account would be furnished of the different
papers published, and of the quantity of paper supplied
to the different public offices.

Dr. BO WRING said, frequently repetitions of the
same return were published, and suggested, in order to
obviate this, that betore an unopposed order was put
by the chair, it should be ascertained that no similar
document had been previously published. Returns
were invariably made according to the letter of the
order, and where figures extended over a number of
pages, they were not added up at the bottom of each
page, and Hon. Members were often obliged to add up
the whole at the end of the twentieth or thirtieth page.
He had never moved for a return, because he had been
asked to do so ; but because they had reference to mat-
ters before the House.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER depre-
cated the turn which the discussion had taken. He
considered, however, that some censure was deserved,
with respect to the way in which returns were made out.
Wher Hon. Members had asked him whether he had any
objection to a return, he had invariably suggested that
they should search their library in order to ascertain
whether they had or had not been furnished, and fre-
quently similar returns had been found. It would be
utterly impossible to furnish every item of expense in
preparing a return—such as paper, printing, &c.—but at
the same time he could not avoid saying that the expense
of this department ought to be conducted as economi-
cally as possible, but without, at the same time, militating
against the value of the documents.
Mr. HENLEY wished to know what portion of the
increase related to papers published by the order of the
House, and what to the papers published by the order of
the different public departments ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
he had already stated that the increase in Parliamentary
papers was 15,000/.

Mr. ARK4VRIGHT inquired what control the sta-
tionery-office had in the publication of papers?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
the stationery-office could not print any papers without
authority to that effect from the public office from which
they were supplied. Papers were printed under the
authority of the Government, and the Government was,
of course, responsible.
After some further conversation, the vote was agreed to.
9,6001. was next voted to defray the expense of
Mint prosecutions, and 16,1001. to defray the expense of
sheriffs, commissions of the peace, &c.
13,3681. was next proposed to defray the expense of
the Insolvent Debtors' Court.
Mr. lIUME said he had understood that the
Bankruptcy and Insolvent Debtors' Court were to be
amalgamated. lie wished to know, whether this was to
be the case or not ?
Mr. PARKER replied, but the purport of it did not
reach the gallery.
The vote was agreed to.
61,0601. was next proposed to defray the law ex-
penses of Scotland.

In reply to Mr. HUME,
The LORD ADVOCATE said the accounts were
regularly audited.

On the vote of 71,259/. being proposed to defray the
expenses of criminal prosecutions and law charges in
Ireland,
Mr. HUME wished to know if the system of detain-
ing witnesses for many months before the trials n
which they were engaged was:allowed, or was still con-
tinued ?
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL for Ireland said, ex-
cepting in very rare instances, this system was done
away with.
The vote was agreed to.
On the vote of 388,0001. for defraying certain charges
formerly borne by the county rates, being proposed,
Mr. HENLEY said that as this vote could not
cover the expense at present incurred by the country for
the maintenance of the persons detained in custody, he
wished to know how the balance was to be made up?
Sir GEORGE GREY said that there were two classes
of prisoners—those to be detained in custody in the
gaols of this country, and those sentenced to banishment
beyond seas. The present vote was intended to cover
the expense of the former class, the latter would be pro-
vided for by a future vote of the House.
Dr. BOWRING wished that the Right Hon. Baronet
the Secretary of State would give the House some
assurance that the good conduct on the part of a pri-
soner would alleviate the condition and length of his
punishment,
Sir G. GREY said that such an assurance was not
required, as the principle was already acted on.
The vote was agreed to.
On the vote of 14,349/. being proposed to defray the
expenses or Parkhurst Prison, Isle of Wight,
Mr. HUME thought that the present system was an
experiment which must of necessity fail. He believed
that it had failed already. He thought the preferable
system would he to give homeless boys an opportunity of
going to the colonies, where they might turn out good
subjects. As the case was at present the country was
put to a vast expense, and no good was derived.
Sir G. GREY said that the experiment had com-
pletely succeeded.
Mr. WILLIAMS said that the cost at present incurred
under this system was 201. per boy, which would be far
less if they were, by consent of their parents, sent out of
the country.
The vote was, after a few words from Lord GEORGE
BENTINCK, agreed to.
On the vote of 18,307/. being proposed to defray the
expenses of the Pentonville Model Prison,
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the expense incurred at
this prison for the maintenance of each prisoner. The
average cost of maintenance in each case was 361. Is.,
which was a larger amount than two independent and
honest labourers had in wages to support themselves
and their families.
Sir GEORGE GREY said that the expenses were
daily decreasing in the establishment, which was other-
wise of the highest importance, as furnishing a model for
the prisons throughout the country.
Mr. WILLIAMS said that he found fault with the
expenditure in this matter of last year. Things were
differently managed in New York. There were two
prisons there where the product of the labour of the
prisoners confined there last year was 10,000 dollars more
than the cost.
Mr. HENLEY said the cost of maintaining prisoners
here was 14s. a-week, it being necessary, under the
silent system, to deal out a more livable diet. He must
say that he did not think there was any extravagance
committed in the cost of maintaining the prisoners under
the system hero adopted.
Mr. HUME said that it did appear to him that Go-
vernment ought to take a comprehensive view of this
subject, for ho thought they were not at the present
time pursuing a very wise course. This was a model
prison, and was a great expense.
Mr. HENLEY said that he was of opinion that this
exp• ritnent was not very convincing, inasmuch as only
picked prisoners were confined in this prison. Some
doubt also existed as to the efficacy of separate confine-
ment, at .d there were a great number of cases of insanity
or of delusion.
Sir G. GREY denied that there was any excess of
these cases.
The estimate was then agreed to.
33,9851. was agreed to for the prison at Milbank.
The estimate for 8,8121. for the prison at Perth was
also agreed to.
The vote of 3,2231. for convict depots, Dublin, &c.,
was agreed to.
The vote of 10,0001. to defray the expense of a prison
for general convicts in Ireland.
The vote of 4,4021. to defray the charges of maintain-
ing criminal lunatics in Bethlehem Hospital was agreed to.
The vote of 6,293/. to defray the expense of erecting a
prison for criminal lunatics in Dublin was agreed to.
The vote of 11,1001. to pay the salaries of inspectors
of prisons in Scotland and of lunatic establishments in
Ireland was agreed to.
On the vote of 39,500/., to defray the charge of the
Metropolitan Police, in Dublin,
Mr. HUME said he had often intended to ask what
were the expenses of the police courts, and how many
magistrates were in each office; he now, therefore, put
the question?
Mr. LABOUCHERE said the salary of each magis-
trate was 600/. a year, and there were three attached to
each court.
The vote was agreed to.
The vote of 118,780/. to defray the expenses of the
convict establishments at Bermuda and Gibraltar ; and
The vote of 200,000/. to defray the expenses of the
convict establishments at Van Diemen's Land and New
South Wales, were agreed to.
On the vote of 100,000/. for education in Ireland,
Mr. HUME regretted that no report of the previous
history of the experiment had been laid on the table.
Ile had himself visited Ireland, and when he saw the
schools there, and the actual effects of the system, he
was satisfied in his own mind that the system was excel-
lent.—(Hear, hear.) By it all parties were united ; and
he was sure the only way to effect the same good end,
the union of all parties, in Scotland and England, would
be to adopt the same system.
Mr. LABOUCHERE said he had no difficulty in ex-
pressing his opinion, that the system, from the results
which had followed, was the best that could have been
adopted ; and in reference to that country itself, the
most adapted. But he did not think that a report
must necessarily be laid upon the table, to induce
the House to agree to the vote. At the same time,
he thought it desirable that information should be
furnished, and a report would be laid upon the table in a
few days. Those who read that report would at once be
gratified to mark how great had been the blessings of
education.—(Hear, hear.) There were half a million of
children, both Catholics and Protestants, often educated
together, but at least all well educated. The Right Hon.
G, releman then read from a document, that there were
456,410 children under a course of education in the Go-
vernment schools; that the last year's increase had been
23,500 children, and 211 schools; that one-seventh of
the children were Protestants; that of the total number
of schools, viz., 3,986, there was 1,601 in Ulster alone;
that 300 teachers were annually trained, one-fifth of
whom were Protestants; that both Protestants and Ca-
tholics were educated together, irrespective of creeds,
and always with the greatest harmony.
Mr. EWART was gratified with the statement of the
Right Hon. Gentleman. But as to the remark of the
Hon. Gentleman about its being adopted in this country,
he had to tell him, that it had been adopted by the Cor-
poration of Liverpool, and acted on with the happiest
results.
Mr. M'CARTHY said, that amongst all the different
topics of education, there was none of so much prac-
tical importance as that of agriculture. in all its
branches. He hoped that this branch was not less at-
tended to than the other and less important branches of
secular education.

Mr. LABOUCHERE said that the subject had not
been lost sight of by the Government, and a proper
system of education on this subject had been esta-
blished ; the importance of which was fully appreci-
ated both by the Government and the people them-
selves.

After a few words from Mr. VERNON SMITH,
The vote was then agreed to.
On the vote for a grant of 6,5001. for the Schools o
Design,
Mr. EWART expressed his anxiety that one uni-
form system should be kept up in these schools, and
that the taste of pupils in the country should be
modelled and guided by casts of the best designs from
the central school in London. He was also anxious to
call the attention of the House to the instruction of
females in the schools of design. He hoped that every
facility would be granted for the establishment of
schools for females in that branch of the arts.
Mr. HAWES answered the observations of the Hon.
Member, but was quite inaudible in the gallery.
After some further conversation the vote was agreed

to.
The next vote proposed was 2,0061. for the purpose of
defraying the expenses of certain professors at Oxford
and Cambridge.
Mr. WILLIAMS objected to the sum as extravagant,
considering the great wealth of the Universities.
Mr. ESTCOURT defended the vote. The sum had
been agreed to on a former occasion, when the Crown
appointed those professors, and it had never under any
circumstance been increased. It would, therefore, be
very improper to refuse the vote now, and he trusted the
House would affirm it.
Mr. EWART regretted that the course of education
pursued at the universities was such as to justify such
objections as had now been taken.
Mr. HUME thought the matter a very shabby busi-
ness
altogether. He had repeatedly called on them to
furnish a statement of their accounts and funds, but they
never had yet furnished it. He trusted the matter would
be fully inquired into.
Mr. WAKLEY called the attention of the Govern-
ment to the fact that the professor of chemistry had but
1001. a year, while the professor of modern history had
t
3501. This ought to be amended.
After some further discussion the motion was agreed to.
The next vote was for the sum of 4,5361. to defray the
expenses of the London University.
It was agreed to, after a few remarks from Mr.
HUMS.
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sum of 7,4801. was voted to her Majesty, to
defray the expenses of the Scottish universities.
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the trustees of the British Museum to defray the ex-
penses of collecting antiquities.
The next vote was 5,5371. for the National Gallery.
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After a few words from the CHANCELLOR of the
EXCHEQUER in explanation,
Mr. HUME complained that the minutes which ought
to have passed before the House of Commons had not
been produced, and he intended, therefore, to move that
they be laid on the table of the House, so that the
public might see by whose advice this forgery had been
purchased.
Colonel THOMAS WOOD objected altogether to the
purchase of those pictures, at least while the Gallery was,
under the present management. The present National
Gallery was in a disgusting and dirty state; it was, to
a disgraceful state: because all classes were admitted;
it
and so happened, that persons came there to lounge
and pass away the time,instead of being attracted by the
beauty of the pictures.
Mr. HUME could not say that he had seen the Gal-
lery in that filthy state. It might, perhaps, towards a
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end of the day. But the keepers had certainly infortne
him that the rooms were washed every morning. 116
(Mr. Hume) would feel much obliged if the Hon. Meer
ber would point out to his attention where the place, was..
one of the trustees of the Gallery,
in that very dirty state; because lie should certainly, '—
prove it. He must say that he had been there—he bat
there repeatedly—and he was always happy to see
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it was frequented by persons of all classes; and he trust'
it would long continue to be so.—(Cheering.)
The vote was then agreed to. ,ps of
A vote of 8.9611. to defray in part the expen—
th,, Geological Survey of Great Britain and Ireland was
endeavour to inv.
then agreed to.
On the vote of 4,0941. for the erection of observatories
at St. Helena, the Cape of Good Hope, and i van
Diemee's Land.
Mr. HUME observed that they had already la former
bed
sessions, given two votes for this purpose, and he w
to know when these were to be ready?
Lord MORPETH trusted that no further delay would
take place.

Vote agreed to,
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On the vote of 2,0001. towards defraying
of the Monument in Trafalgar-square, la be
Mr. WILLIAMS inquired how much wou
wanted to complete the Monument ? to the
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Government, which had undertaken to complete
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complete the base ; 8,000/. had been already
2,000/. was asked from the House now, and he thought
that 2,0001. more would cover the rest of the expells—.
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Mr. P. BORTHWICK thought that this country
very unfortunate in its public monuments. ge cep
plained of the present one on the ground that it -
entirely out of proportion.
The vote was then agreed to.
The sums of 4,0494 to defray the charges of the
establishment at the Bermudas, and 3,410 for
Bahamas, were then voted. like
As was also a vote for the sum of 3,070/. for the
purpose at Prince Edward's Island.
A sumo f 400/. was also voted to defray the charges of
the civil establishments at Sable Island.

The following votes were also areed to :-- son the
The sum of 13,680/. for the ciyil g
establishment
Western Coast of Africa. t at
11,500/. for the charges of the coal establishmetl-
St. Helena.
Western
7,2191. for the charges of the establishment of
Australia.
A sum of 1,240/. was also voted to defray the charges

of the settlement at Port Essington.
The sum of 5,5001. was next proposed in order t--9-1e1c:
fray the charges of the civil establishments at the X'
land Islands. •nz and
After a few words from Mr. Hume, Dr. Bovirl'
. _

Mr. Hawes, this vote ;vasaliotiiieed to.
the
The sum of 36,0001. was then proposed to de
charges charges of the civil establishment of New Zealand'
Mr. HUME objected to the votes, on the ground that
the island having now a government of its own, it ougu
to bear its own expenses.
Mr. HAWES said that the Act had not
force which gave a local government to that countT.(4,
Lora '"
After a few words from Dr. Bowanta and
GESTRIE,
The vote was agreed to. Islasag
1,0231. was next agreed to for the Heligoland 58L
as also 18,394/. for the West Indian colonies ; I i/ortb
for the Ecclesiastical expenses of the British e
art.
American colonies ; and 15,000/. for the Indian d P
yet come ia°
ment of Canada. oes of
23,8151. was next proposed to defray the expo
the Colonial Land Emigration Board. bad
Mr. V. SMITH complained that a gentlemdan who
had been
formerly been assistant-secretary to the boar, hf
appointed one of the Commissioners, at a salarYi hat
a year. The explanation to the vote iers, and
misson
there were originally three salaried Com d the appoint
that the increase of business had rendere
This, WO/.
ment of a third Commissioner necessary. who had
ever, was not the case, as two of the gentlemen
re
Kt'
not
acted as Commissioners held other offices, and we
paid exclusively for their duties as commissioners•
thought but two commissioners were required. h
st
was th
uld
Mr. HAWES said it was essential that there 5 °
be three commissioners in order that disputes might.f.:
and. De 4..
settled which two could not well deal with,
Rogers, the gentleman appointed, having had cosisier
'
able experience, was thought a proper person to app
and and he was accordingly nominated.
Mr. HUME said that this was a palpable attempt
magnify the labours of the commissioners. They dith
not in any degree assist the emigration of the persons
who departed this country, for they emigrated to the
colonies unaided and unassisted. He thought with his
Hon. Friend that a lobs of 1,0001. was incurred to
the country by the appointment of the third commis'
sioner.

Mr. lIAWES considered that as additional labour
was imposed, there should be an additional commis'
sinner.
Mr. BORTHWICK thought that question should
receive consideration from a full House.

The vote was agreed to.
On the vote for the estimate of 15,790/. for defraying
the expenses of the functionaries employed in the 01°-

flies,
Sir GEO. CLERK made a few observations which
were inaudible. ;red
Mr. HUME said that this question certainly reclll--
some consideration.
Mr. WILLIAMS said he would press the Houso t 43
a division on this vote.
After some conversation it was agreed that Mr. areell
should report progress.
ordered
The House then resumed, and the report was or
to be brought up on Monday next.
The Newfoundland Government Bill, and the Borough
Police (Scotland) Bill, were read a second time.
The House then adjourned at One o'clock.

RAILWAY SHARE MARKETS'
LIVERPOOL, MAT 28.
Rr
;1: ,
STOCK EXCHANGE.-The sales are-East Lancashire, ,N,861
1 dis.-Edinburgh and Glasgow, Quarters, 17-
Western, Fifths, 2534-London and North-Western, "„ir..
Ditto, New, Quarters, 10%p.-Ditto (Manchester and
mingham) Quarters (A), 51/4 p.-Ditto, Quarters (C), sclf
Manchester and Leeds, 321. Shares (late Extensions),
Ditto, Fifths (late West Riding Union), ls. 3d. disP"
Ditto (late Manchester, Bolton, and Bury), 17 p.-Malci
chester, Sheffield, and Lincoln (late Great Grimsby an,
Sheffield), 201. Shares, 6 ls. 3d. dis.-Midland, 1163/4:
Ditto, 401. Shares, 3% p.-Ditto, New, 2
and Berwick, New, 1% p.-North British, New, 3s. 9d. P.
-Preston and Wyre, 353/-South-Eastem and Dovel
New, No. 2, 1/1 dis.-Ditto, No. 4, Is. 3d. dis.-York ant
pfi field ledfe r Canalenc e,3s.a nNewcastle, Preference, 3 p.-York and North Midland (Eas
and West Riding Extensions) Preference,
_udders:
hd Railway, lis p. eaxminta.n- 8%
and
LEe hDS, satit
6% p.-Great Northern, 1% dis.-North Staffordshire, 21/4,
p.-Liverpool, Crosby, and Southport, 1% p.-East 111(111114u'
STOCK EXCHANGE -T
Le-B.Ambergate, Notting"
ham, and Boston, 1% dis.-East Lancashire, New,
-Ditto, New (scrip), ls. p.-East and West Yorkshire, Ts
2
die.-Great Northern, 235. dis.-Ditto, Extensions, 15s. ths'
-Leeds and Dewsbury, 10s. n. p.-Leeds and Thirsk, Nevi'
4% n. dis.-Ditto, Preference, 6d. dis.-Leeds, 'Wakefield,
and Midland, 18s. 6d. dis.-London, Brighton, and South
Coast, 53 n.-Malton and Driflield Junction, 15s. n.
Manchester and Leeds, Quarters, 2;vB p.-Ditto, 321. shares
(late Extensions), 4s. p.-Ditto, West Riding Union, 3s. P.
-Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midland, 58.
Midland, Preference, 214 p.-North British, Quarters (WS
Carlisle Branch), 21s. p.-Ditto, Extensions (scrip), 2s. 6ti
p.-North-Western, dn.-Sheffield, Rotherham, an
Goole, 11/4 dis.-Wharfdale Junction, 11-Ai die.-York
Newcastle, Preference, 3% p.
SHEFFIELD, MAY 28.
urtonr
STOCK EXCHANGE.-The sales are-Manchester,
Matlock, and Midland, 14 dis.-Manchester and Leeds (
IN;
Riding Union), p. -Mane , hester Sheffield, and Lincoln
shire shire (Grimsby and Sheffield), 8% dis.-Ditto, 201. Sha.
dis.-North-Western, 1% da.
3% c. dis.-Ditto, DoitiL426,
MAT 28.
STOCK Excna.Non.-The sales are-Ambergate, Notting'
ham, and Boston, 305.-East Lancashire, New (scrip), 2 8.
6d.-Great Northern, 485.-Manchester, Buxton,_ Matlock,
and Midland, dis.-Manchester and Leeds (West Riding
Union), I.s. 6d. p.-Newcastle and Berwick, ‘25%-Ditto,
New, 1% p.-North British, Quarters, 855.-Ditto, Extern
sion (scrip), 3s. p.-Ditto, Thirds (scri,p), sls.
NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYE, MAY 27.
STOCK EXCHANGE.-The sales are-Caledonian, New, 168.
dis.-Newcastle and Carlisle, 110-Ditto, Quarters, 98. P.

A BLACK TURNED WHITE.--ALEXANDRIA, 144:11,
9.—The extraordinary fact of a black woman turning "I s
has recently occurred at Cairo. The woman is married to
black soldier belonging to Ibrahim Pacha's gua_

On the 27th inst., at HeßndliOnr,l73the Countess of Kean of a
daughter.
On the 25th inst., at Purbrook Lodge, Hants, the lady of
Stephen SVinkworth, Esq. of a daughter.
On the 26th inst., the lady of Masterman, Esq., of a s°l:
On the 26th inst., in Noel-street, Islington, the wife of ri
L. Hooper, Esq., of a daughter. of
On the 26th inst., at Nonsuch-park, Surrey, the lady
W. F. G. Farmer, Esq., of a son.
On the 26th inst., at Cottimore, Walton-on-Thames, the
lady of John W. Gooch Spicer, Esq., of a daughter. illt .s—
On the 27th inst., at Clapham-park, the lady of W
Thornton West, Esq., of a daughter. ge•
On the 27th inst., at Markham-square, Chelsea,
Heise, of a son. tail)
At South-crescent, Bedford-square, the lady of Capes
Norman C. MacLeod, Bengal Engineers, of a daughter.

MARRIED.
On the 11th of January, at Gliazeepore, A. E. Frere, ESq"
Lieutenant in her Majesty's 24th Regiment, to Miss Botha
s'
[Jett' Palmer, daughter of Quartermaster James Price,
same rment
On the 27th. inst., at St. Mary's, Bryanston-square, the eSf'
William Cooke, 8.A., to Fanny, second daughter of tile late
Rev. G. J. Haggitt, of Bury St.

DIED.
On the 11th of April, at Bombay, Frances GiVynnet v 1,116
of Captain Henry Creed, Hon. Company's Artillery, sgerirg:
On the 23d inst., at Belgrave House, Turnham-green, •-
Fenelope Graham, aged 84.
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et
Strand, Printer, at The Sun Office, N 0.112, Strand, in the Fro,*
of the Savoy, in the County of 11114.1dleses, Saus44r, Sal
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