The Sun.
London, England, 1840-08-04 00:00:00

EVPN'TWO EDITION?.

! Lord CHARLEVILLE no!
The Marquis of NORMAN BY bail so understood
the Noble Lord. Indeed the fact was that Mr. Lang-
ford had done so; and he (the Margins of Nomanhy)
entirely concurred with his Noble Friend that Mr. Lang-
ford had acted improperly—and in opposition to the
letter of the law and the spirit of the Constitution. The
Temperance Society bad clearly proved that they
had no connection with the Ribbon Society, although
the Noble Earl did not think that the Temperance
Society had completely exonerated themselves from the
charge of such a connexion ; but the Bench of Magi*.
trates who investigated that charge were unanimously o
opinion that the connection was disproved. They did
not certainly decide that the document found in Michael
Whelan's house was a fabrication. But nearly erre-
hal: of them were of that opinion, and the casting vote
to the contrary was given by Mr. Langford.—(Hear.
and a laugh.) He had no objection to the production
of all the documents connected with the case, and be
had them all in his possession, as he had before told the
Noble Earl. But he positively objected to return
copies of the opinions of the Law Officers of the
Crown. With respect to Palan-Kenry, be denied that
it had been of late in a worse state than in former
years, when starvation prevailed in that district, and
was accompanied with such disorders as were, perhaps
inseparable from such a lamentable state.—( Hear
hear.) The Noble Marquis then recd several returns
relating to the state of crime in Ireland, from
1834 to the present year, to show the very
great diminution of crime. At the late A,siz
hat diminution was of a most remarkable
extent. Nor would lie hesitate, notwithstanding the
risk he ran of incurring the censure of the Noble Earl
to avow his approbation of the procled;rg; of the
Temperance Societies, and to express his hope bit' thy
would have the most beneficial effects upon the social
state of Ireland. He would repeat, in conc'usion, that
he would not object to the returns moved for, with th)
exception of the opinions of the Law•otf'icers of he
Crown, in the case of Mr. Langford.
The Earl of GLENGALL did not deny that great
distress prevailed in the county of Limerick, but he
could not see what connexion there was between that
distress,and the b caking into houses, for the plundtr
of arms. He concurred with his Noble Friend (Lord
Charleville) that Mr. Langford had been very harshly
treated. It had always been the custom of the Ma-
gistrates to act upon the warrants upon which
that Gentleman had acted, until they were called
in by the Government.—(Hear, hear.) The letter
o" the Lord Lieutenant to Mr. Langford, was one of
the most offs sive ever %ritten from one gent'eman to
another. In fact, he believed that the letter was
written by some person in the Attorney-General's
offizk, and was signed by the Lord-Lieutenant without
being read by him. The rewards offered for the ap"
prehension of criminals from 1836 to 1840 were 814,
and only forty-seven had been claimed. This showed
the great extent of the system of intimidation, and how
impossible it was to bring criminals to justice. He
wished the Noble Viscount would ask the opinion of
Mr. Sergeant Moore as to the cases tried before him et
the last Tipperary assizes. Juries were afraid to con..
vict, and the consequences were criminals escaped.
The Earl of CARBERY thought no censure
ought ever to be cast upon a Magistrate fora mere
error of judgment.
The motion was then agreed to.
ECCLESIASTICAL DUTIES AND
REVENUES ',SILL.

On the motion for their Lordships resolving theta'
selves into Committeo on the Ecclesiastical Duties and
Revenues Bill.
The Arel'.Vshop of CANTERBURY moved theS
it be rererred to the Committee up stairs.
The Bishop of WINCHESTER, in assenting (0.,
the proposition, reserved to himself the right 01
moving any amendments on the bringing up the Report.
The Bishop of EXETER suggested that the House
should sit on Wednesday to discuss the Report.
Viscount MELBOURNE hoped there would be 00
impediment to having the Bill read a third time eg
Thursday. The Standine; Orders might be suspended*
The Bishop of EXETER thought that too much
power should not be delegated to the Committee er
stairs.

The Duke of WELLINGTON objected to sitting
on Wednesday ; he thought the Report might 118
received on Thursday and the third reading taken oa
Friday.
Viscount MELBOURNE said that the Standing
Orders might be suspended, so as to have the Bill Nd
a third time on Toursday. It had always been wider'
stood that the House should never sit on a Wednesdei
except for pro forma busin*.ss.
The Duke of W ELLINGTON—Anything 70
like ; only do not bring me down to the House**
Wednesday.—( A laugh.)
On the motion of the Niarguis of LANSDOWNS4
the Standing Orders were ordered to be suspended, and
the motion of the Archbishop of Canterbury wal
agreed to.
The Admiralty Courts BM passed through Committee.
On the motion of the Earl of DEVON, the order
for the second reading of the Drainage of Lands Bil
was discharged.
The other Bill on the tWe were advanced a stage'
and their Lordships adjourned at Nine o'Clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, AvGusr3.
METROPOLIS INIPROVEMENTS.
Clau,es up to II were then agreed to with son)
verbal amendments.
On clause l 2 being proposed, '
Mr. WARBURTON wished to know whether
costs of the proceedings before the Bishops' C°ll
would be allowed.
After a short conversation, i i which Mr. Hawes, r;
T. Hobhouse, and Dr. Nicholl took part, the clause °a
agreed to with some verbal amendments.
of
On clause 13, giving the power to the BishoP
prohibiting accused clergymen from exercising their •
functions,

Mr. EWART said, that giving this power to the
Bishop would be in fact a prejudging the case.
Dr. LUSH INGTON considered this as oue of the
most valuable provisions of the Bill. It was of the
utmost importance that the Bishop should have the
power of preventing clergymen, under accusation, frlltil
officiating until their character should be cleared ur
It was of the utmost importance that Bishops 0,
11°13
possess this discretionary power.
After a few words from Mr. HUME,
Dr. NICHOLL proposed the insertion of word
making it necessary to give the party fourteen dsl'
notice before the inhibition should take effect, enabli"
the Bishop to revoke the inhibition at any time, and c 0;
powering him to grant to the curate a remuneration 11°
exceeding one-half of the next annual income of the 10.
eumbent.
Mr. J. HOBHOUSE said that the last provisio:
violated every principle of English law, as it inflicted
a pecuniary penalty on a man not proved guilty. to
Mr. HUME wished to know if the party Wag.
have any redress if he was afterwards found to be to
noc-ent.

111 r. ESTCOURT thought the clergy • themselves
' would be the most anxious to have a Bill like the Prr
sent introduced, and it seemed to him that the pectullarit
penalty (if such it could be called) was no' penalty {or
all, because it was merely a payment to-any party
'-
the discharge of the duty of the parish. tbs
Mr. HUME thought the accuser ought to pay
expenses if the party was innocent.
Mr. PROT HE ROE said many most exemplary al
respectable Clergymen had complained to him of wilt
they considered a pecuniary penalty being imposed oa
party before he was found guilty.
The clause was then agreed to.
The remaining clauses were then agreed to, tha
House resumed, and the Rvort was ordered to be re'
ceived to-morrow at 12 o'clock.
The Infant Felons' Bill was postponed till to-Iliarr
OA
at 12 o'clock.
Messengers from the Lords brought down the Ada/a
nistration of Justice Bill, the Sale of Beer Bill, an
other Bills.
On the motion of Mr. FOX MAULE, the Mat
nistration of Justice Bill was read a first time► an
ordered to be read a secend time to-morrow.
On the motion of Ler: GRANVILLE 5014.0
SET, the Lords' amendments to the Sale of Beer -I
were ordered to be printed, and taken into oonsiderstO
to-morrow.

AY RATES.
The House thenHIGH wentW into Committee on the Highs:
way Rates Bill.
The Bill went through a Committee, and the iteP (}rl
was ordered to be received to-morrow.
MUNICIPAL CORPORATIONS (IRELANIn
Lord MORPETH moved the Order of the DO j°-
taking into consideration the Lords' amendments °
the Municipal Corporations (Ireland) Bill. In c°se
quence of the discussions that had taken place of Into
years, the Bill now sent down differed less from ttlagi
originally introduced than any they had ever before bees
called upon to consider. He asserted, however, ths
some of the amendments were such as he was very WI;
willing to give his consent to, namely, the permsfleue,
valid qualification of 101., and the mode of electing t"i
Sheriffs. But taking into consideration the lent
time the Bill had been under discussion—the amelmj
of pcmit:ve good that it was calculated to effect, O
the amount of evil and mischief which it would put ap
end to, the Government had come to the determination;
and he trusted that Parliament would also agree j
pass the Bill, and thereby bring that long, veited,..,e,etb
discussed question to an issue.—(Hear, hear.) "10.
these views and in that spirit he would move the 0°
sideration of these amendments. He would not call en
the House to disagree with any of the amendments
the other House which involved any party differengi
between one side of the House and the other.
de-
amendments would be confined to points of mere ,„.Nr
tail, and not connected with the machinery or vier'.
of the measure.
the
Mr. JAMES GRATTAN was rejoiced that
Bill was at length about to be passed. At the Piro
time he thought the two amendments to which
but
Noble Lord had alluded highly objectionable ;
wis
th're was another amendment which, in hisopiajot