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Glasgow
had cha4ed his opinions on this suhjict.
Ali! FINLAY-denied that tie had coanged his (~:iai„ns: he
bad all along thought sus to big!) a io-uce..

E*Ti'll INSTEIt

Sir. Btape iaise pr,sent ;he Westmin-
ster Petition against the torts Laws, signed leY
41,473 persons. 7.1 e woind aake tins opportunity
of correcting d nosrepresentaPion that had, gone
abroad, that he was supporter of the Coin BM.
It was, anti him always been -iris pi inciple, that
• Government alone was intell'ied io carrying this
meastne.; that it arose out of the unnatural mid
excessive state ot taxation ; that, if proper
means Ott redniqhni had been resorted'to, there
could be no pretelice for a Bill which was now
wanted to noLter up a corrupt system of adminis-
tration. Heatinerea with hisconst intents, nor aS
to the propriety of the measure, Inicas to the inn-,
tility of petitiouing. It certainly nas a grLat pay,
that the punlic imiienation shonld he directed
against indixidlials titIlip0111;(1 this measure ;
he_had_emleavoured to impress oil the minds
of his follintilent s, that the principal object to
• which their 'attention .'iouldhe directed,- ivas the
(affront. state of the representation of the country.
Sorne persons had pretended ttt .s.iy of hint, that
he had suffered'. his private:.ioterest to stifle the
public interest, and that the Patriot ;was merged
in the Lanni-owner. It wars unpleasant to talk.
of himself, bin he milting say, that this mea-
sure, whether carried or defeated,- would. 'mike
to differtuce to bitn. His estate had always'.
been. on what miglitoe called a peace-establish;-
ment,•and his system. had always contemplated'
permanent rather. than rinctuatiog rents. Whe-
ther, -there!ore, a,price of ,80. s. or Is. was fixed,
or no shillings at all, he should not raise or lower
his rents one farthing. Ile was surprised that
Gentlemen in discussing this wiestion seemed to
think that there was niefrely a choice of evils, and
debated merely what price should be fixed. He
thought that stieli a discussion was idle and na-
.
gatory, and that the matter to be conswereu was,
what %vas the ori4in of such a measure at all ?'
Whatever-might be the Opinion of other Gentle-
men, his Own drcided opinion wits, that the sub-
ject was nitituateiv connected with a reform. iu
Parliament, for it sprung solely trout the corrupt
start; of the Representation. Nobleman (Lord
Grenville) in another place had, with the true
IMings of an lialgaishman, exaressed his astonish-
ment that Ule Nation could acouiesee it: such an
enormous Peace Establishment-, which must lead
to a military deispotisin'; and that if such was.t he
case, he should no longer take his place merely,
for the purpose,of going through the empty forms
of debate. ludeed it was- futile and absurd to
conic down to the House to discuss what would
of coarse be settled by
.a Ministerial majority,
when it was known that the Noble Lord xvlio
sat opposite . (and not merely the Noble Lord,
but whoever was in office) was, as Minister,
clothed with the infallible mantle of a Pi ophet,
and all were ready to bow to him as to an Oracle'.
As. to his own opinion on the present measure he
firmly belie d that his constituents would des-
pise him, if he shoal(' vote against his judgment ;
if he had been disposed to suppoit the measure, he
ishould have done it without ttesitation : and it his
electors tool disopprovcd of conduct, lie would
not continue tO inipoNe lihnself upon them tinder
the privilege of the unconstitutional Septennial
Act, but would immediately resign his o.nation
into their hands. He mast 116;tV expreis his hor-
ror at the system which had been adopted of fill-
ing houses with soldiery, who fired in ambush-up-
on the crowds before them : ill the deaths snoc-
casioned were legal murders, The constitutional
civil farce should have been called out for the
protection Of the town, iastead of surrounding it
tvith troops like a beSieged city. No man could
walk the streets of a night avithout .hazard,
on account of the Military. Thee.e appeared tO
him to have been no justificatory cause for.
shooting the 11.lidshipman the other evening.--
The military force should hare been displayed, and
not hid in ambuscade. No man ever put
spring-guns or steel-traps into his grounds With-'
out giving the notice, and yet in this case soldiers
%vere placed in houses, not only without notice,.
but so concealed, as to invite rather than deter an
attack. Hp had'hiniself been misrepresented as a
• friend of the Cdru Bill, aad, therefore, might have
been exposed to assault ; but he would. prefer for
.see his house razed to the ground, to having re
course to unconstitutional means of defending it.
But what was the cause of all these disturbanees-?
Why was it that the people paid no respect to,
larg,e majorities in the House of Commons It
was.beeaase they felt that they were not properly
represented; for it they were once. 'assured that
the House was constitutionally appointed, they.
would readily believe tl.nit its decisions contem-
plated only the public good. At the same iiiue he
must say, that he thought great mistakes had pre-
vailed on both sides, as to the evil or good of this
measure. The labouring claases were mistaken if
they thought that they would be affected by the mea-
sure, for t he i rwages cvolOrt . olcourse .r;se propor-...
tin!) to theprice of food. The landed intereStetoo,
(against whom the nmst.unjuSt imputations were
east), were equally mistaken if they thought that
.any advantage could accrue from this. litigator),
protection. For his part lie %visited to see no pro-
tection afforded to any. particular branches': all
should be regarded with au equal and impartial
eye, for no greater caiatitity could arise than from
arraying one interest against another, as if the
monied, the commercial, the mamifact wing, -and
the agricultural interests, were different and oppo-
site things. lie was sort y that the country gentle-
men had suffered themselves to be cat's-paws in
the hands of the Ministers towards the support of
a .measure which was exclusively for the benefit of
Government. For his eeiini part, ha saw Inc) re-
medy for this anti other evils, but the renovation
of the Constitution of the countr. •
Ron;::se:: rose under an evident depression
of spirhs,whiell sunk and enfeebled his utterance
.;•
he proceeded as follows :—'' I never, S;r, rose
with feelings so oppressed and embarrassed as 1
now labour tinder. I should be divested of every
I leeling which characterises a Gentleman and au
hontst man, if I were not deeply interested in the
unfortunate transaction to which' the honourable
Baronet has so pointedly alluded. I do assure
that Hon: Baronet he ti.xtremely mistaken, if he
supposes that I planted atraMbuseade of soldiers
In my house ;:or the ptirposc of 'shooting at the

• placed in ambuscade ; they wire inside, 't is true,
because, if outside, there would have heel,
no. protection. My house, on the first nii..;litT,was
three times entered by the .poliillace-(llear !)
Those who were within were moniew.arily ex.pos-
ed toidestruction : propertyntv was at the mercy
,
of tne riotoes int roders—and nothing; hitt the slid-
den presence ()elite militariprevente7l its destruc-
tion on that occasion.—(Bear, hear !),--1 would
;to that destruction of property, but
1 greatly tea:, that those who remaiaed with it
would ii, ye equal Victims to popular violence,
and the lives of lay servants would haverbeen SA-
crificed in the atteMpt.(Hear, hear !) No soldiers •
were in toy !Louse on the first night ; from what
hen took place,.l felt it my duty to remove my
family to some safer asylum—tor there tta.l' had no
protection. My servants were theft attacked, and
threatened with death if they refused to tell where
I was. They risked their lives in this attachment
to me. Alv house was again beset--4bose poor
and faithful creatures said their lives were of no
value. I did then think it essential they should
recei..e some further protection ; besides, the
house is not mine, and being but a temporary re-
sident, I thought it the more my duty to protect
it, and applied to the Secretary of State for that
purpose. Some soldiers were then sent, and here
again, Sir, I protest against their being placed in
ainbuscade."—(The Right Hon. Gentleman was
here so overrjowered with his feelings, that he was
obliged to submit to a momentary pause.)—He
resumed—" :Ishey were not so placed- : they came,
•aS well as my servants,- to the windows of the
house, which were assailed and broken in by re-
peated assaults ; they entreated the assailants,
long before a shot was fired, to desist—to take
care what they were about,. and not to risk
the consequences—(Loud cries of heat', hear !)—.
and, it was not until those inside were threat-
ened with' the actual' visitation of immediate-
danger, that for their own personal safety
the shots were fired. When the Honouratle
Baronet talks of the Inquest, and•seems to quote
it as his authority, he appears to forget -.hat that
Inquest is not yet over—(Loud cries of Hear,
bear !) he f-e'wgets that its proceedings are still
pending, and that it has. not arrived to any sen-
tence—whatever that sentence maybe, 1 can as-
sure
the Hon. Baronet it will be no less painful.
to my feelings. I. therefore conjure that • Hun.
Baronet, if he values the peace of society, for
which he professes so deep an interest, to ..thstain
from statements which can only operate to • the,
further inflammation of the people, and to the still •
greater endangering those lives- for Which he feels
so warm an interest.—(Loud cries of. Hear !)
From the circumstances, Sir, in which this ques-
tion has placed me, I am, perhaps, more than. •
any other nem exposed. to popular fury. What-
ever be my fife in the result of the measure itself,
it is my consolatory reflection that I have done
my duty according to the dictates of my con-
science.—.(Hear !) Speaking as art individual,
neither for myself, or for those connections which
I hold most dear, does there exist th.esmallest
interest, in a personal sense, relative to'svintt may
he the issue of this .measure. But 1 think the
Hon. Baronet wotilll but discharge his duty; by
abstaining from language, the tendency of which,
his own reflection must. teltitnnyessrlsonly 16-ut to _
an increase of the lamentable occbrrences which
be wishes to limit and repress."— ([he Right
Hon. Gentleman sat down amid continued cheers )

LordCASTLEREAGII.-If the lion. Baronet had
merely indulged himself with a general censure
of the principles and confinet of his Majesty's
Government, he was prepared to have. been -per-
fectly silent ; but when the. Hon. Baronet had
travelled out of his course to attack those neces-
sary measures which had been taken to secure the
peace and safety of the. metropolis, .he felt
iiin-
self bound to make some observations. In the
first place, he Was convinced, from the equive;•al •
language of the Hon. Baronet, that he was in his
heart a sincere friend of the Corn Bill, tor other-
wise he would have been in his place to oppose
it ; but,.however that might be, it was too pinch
for the Hon. Bardnet to come now to the House
as if merely to stigmatize those who had used
legal and constitutional means of defending their
lives and property--(Hear, hear !).--4'he Hon.
Baronet had taken credit to himself on a former
occasion for defending his house, though
.that de-
fence was in direct violation of the. laws of the
country; and did he now undertake to reprobate
those Who by legal and
.constitutional means de-
fended their houses against outrage and destruc-
tion ?—(Loud cheering.)-r-He trusted that he
should be able to keep his temper in speaking on
this subject ; but all the feelings of an Englishman .
and a loyal subject were roused when he heard thOse
who adopted legal methods of protecting their
lives and property thus vehemently reprobated as
connuittinglegal intirder--7 (Loud cheering) :--Why
did the Honourable Baronet come to the House
now ? Was-it to oppose the Bill ?No ; the Hon.
Baronet evidently ai-yroved of the. measure; but
his object and aiorwasi to..
_subvert the Constitu-
tion. He did not come, to oppos'e The particular
administration .(for he must do the Hon. Baronet
the justice to say, that supposing the government
to exist, had repeatedly acknowledged, that it
could, not be administered by better bands than.
the present) ; but his wish Was t!, oppose and
overthrow the Constitution. }le hoped that those
who opposed the Corn Bill were not disposed .to
adopt the sentiments of the Hon. Baronet—(No,
no !)—eSpecially as, in truth, there could be tittle
doubt that he was ,1 real friend to the Bill.—(The
cheering at the cud of this speech was not merely
loud, but
.tumultuous.)
Mr. M. A. TAYLOI{, though no friend to the
Bill, highly approved of the calling out the mili-
tary force. Everyman had a right to defend his
house by all the means in -his power. He had no
taste, like the Hon. Baronet for haling his house
rased to the ground, but should, if attacked, de-
fend it to the utmost.

Mr. INIcTtruEN disclaimed all participation in
the conititutional opinions Of the lion. -Baronet.
A Mcmnii,a, whose name we could not learn,
confiianed the statement made by Mr. Robinson,
of the tumult in Burlington-street, and of the
wattling given by the soldiery previously to the
firing.

Sir JOHN BEI:MIGHT con-P-nendcd the manly
col:cluct of the Nob Loi.d and the .est of his'

been neark(Nl I, • h by firmness and inoderati""io
For his own part, if his house were atracke(l, '
I ice
should nroettre inf;n, to defend it ; he would P.' 1,
them
if he thought proper in ambuscade, utter Jr
reordless of "the opinions of the Westminste
constituents. He thout.Jit 'that the Right 11°-
nourable Gentleman (kr. Robinson)., 1"1 teen
ton Much affected .frith what had happehed °pr.;
si!e his House. if the death were an accideat,
was to be regretted : if the person -killed .lift:! beci,
a trespasser, therewas little occasion, for Ili,' e°1,"...
plaint made by the lion. 'Baronet. For hittoot,
be would state fur the information of the Elector,
of Westminster, that be should' defend hi5...0w.3
house to the last,. and; by the theans' •11°••
power. , .
Sir FRANCIS 'BUR:WIT wished to say {ctrl
words in explanation. He had not meant to
tacit any imputation to the Right lion. Gentle''''
man (Mr. Robinson) iii lividually : he bad (117
Jected generally to theintroduct ion of a nil-fit-ail
force, which he must consider as a symptom (If.;',l'
military despotis.m. lie had argued that the civil
power alone ought to quell a tumult as in fortOr
times when a standing army was a thing tinknovi
to the nation. In those days the civil power
been sufficient', and why not no•.e ? " I ioust
now (said the Hon. Bart ) allude to certain es•7'
pressions which the Noble Lord has thought l)r"."
per to use. That Noble Lord has charged 01 •
with a wish to subvert the Constitution ;
charge him with having actually subverted tlle
Constitution, in the sale of seats in Parlianieat-
He was detected in the manner. The Noble 1,0111
ought to have lost his head ; and would have I°4
it, it the House had not been too corrupt to Wl'
peach him. He escaped because the delinquent
was general. The Noble Lord may laugh, 31",,
so may the majority behioul and around hint ; 11°,!
you, Sir, (turning to the Speaker) did not 60'.
it a subject of ridicule, %el:en, in the strong ,lan-
guage of indignation and abhorrence,. yoti
nounced the practice as one at which our nitres"'
tors would have started with horror. As to the
Hon. Bart. who talks of defending his house si), •
r' strenuously against the attacks of the Electors (11-
Westminster,he will wait long enough if he waits
for any attack from them : he may he perfectly rr
case, us he may be assured that there will be °*
call upon. hint, for any exertion of his spiri•
must again say? that the Noble Lord opplisite
could not have escaped but for the corrupt state
of the• House of Coin:lions."
Mr. METHUEN rose to order : the Hon.•
net was not entitled to call the House corrupt.
The SPEAKER.—The Hon. Baronet., from 110
experience in .Parliament, must . know that t,b:
langaage.just used is a breach of the orders of t,'
House.:

Sir. F. BURDETT.—" I knoW, Sir, that it is con'
trary to the rules of. the House : I wish it were:•
also.contrary to truth."7--(Order, order).
Mr. lIOLME SUMNER thought, that as the 11,°17;
Baronet had allowed that he was transgressin'
the orders of the House, his words should -
taken down.--(Cries of no, no.)
Sir F. linaoETT.--" It is quite indifferent tac
me. 1 will •say but one word more : 1 cantos
understand why my language with respect to tb,e
measure should he. culled euuivocal, when 1 1143 f...--
.exptt-asij- i.E,d-ttlat I
do not care one_s4-1". •
about it.''
'133

The Petition was then brought up, read,
laid on the table.
TREATY OF CITAUMONI, AND LANDING OF DC°'

NAPARTE IN FRANCE.
WIIITBREAb rose and said, as his motion
respectin: foreign relations stood for Wednesdif
next, he should be glad to know whether tbe:`,l,
ditional Treaty of Chaumont had been rati"e't
Ministers had been frequently questioned on th'a,
subject, and had always answered that it was nlif
ratified.; but he then wished -to be inforoc`i
whether the Noble Lord (Castlereagh), hacf
with him, ,and whether he intended to lay it -be
the Table. At the same time, he wished a
B t •
Noble Lord to state, •whether it were trtie t;1
uonaparte had landed with troops•in Franeei
Lord IL%ASTLEREAGII replied, that the rati"ch
tion of the Treaty had been received, -and w°dl
he inchided in the information which lie
to give to the House. As to the landing of Ptio •
naparte in France, his Majesty'S Government b
received official information of that event. Loal
Mr. WityrnaßAD trusted, that the Noble 7,09
would, on Monday next,- put the House in ros.
session of the Treaty, preparatory to the discott,
sion of a great variety of important topics
.he hoped it would be found in the course of
04
Nobte Lord's information, that Great Britai"
the Allied Povrers bad preserved an imniacilioa
character, consistent with the principles they at
professed in the proceedings of the ConVes'
-Vienna_ tlta

Lord CASTLEREAGH thought it strange joco
the Hon. Geotletnan should call for the Pr%cco,
tion of the Treaty betore the supplies .11A
voted. T 1116

Wityrar.F.An desired. to inform the
Lord, that the money had been voted ; and, " the
fore, the Convention ought to be laid beft'le -
House.
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, that the Treaty ' h 5--(;) •
be presented with all conveni.mt speed.
„vti
10(1
.Mr. TIERNEY observed, that the 11103*-:
been voted in confidence, and the only ve3s°-ii;4,
-signed for not producing the Treaty bcfdre vie
that the ratification had not been received' a)rtt
Noble Lord, however, seemed to consider,',t be
he was granting a favour in decia:ing'
would•preseut it to the House ; .but he I,ll'
demanded it as a right, and would tell the
Lord,. that that Minister betrayed his trust
neglected to produce a Treaty, after he 11'“billi‘
•ceived it. Whatever the NOble Lord toigit tietelf
e:
of that language, it was, he conceived, conjetin.
parliamentary, and not liable to those Ol; P;
which the Noble Lord had Made to the sr -i,eve
an Hon. 13al.oliet. 'fbc House had a riglit °Noble"
what Treaties. had been made, the
Lord was bound to furnish them with info.o7 -or
Lord CASTLEREAGH' COHSideVed COC(111:1:.ge;
so sar.Tacious a Member of?tun:latent t°
his Majesty's Ministers' With a breach of t 1;- ittfll,l..
they reaained a treaty for a few days. 14c b-°,l/r-
-it would be b'tter, as he had before obserr.tv.irte
include it in his
,general statement tb"niji"
.
anformatiou to the Rouse but 361'1-

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.1 to press rli,,; ulattcr, h•,.! Lai at)
!lqi; a, - \,• i, t. ,' that 1
I, ,- . 'I 4), n;.r, - -ne" would present the
' r. oy on Mond r',7 nexi•
I..n?;'lr..ll,7ll:TsaFAD said, that nothing could he'
orecontenyrnous than the manner in ‘rhiel) the
)hk. irf.i.d ,:til treated the lionse, especially alter
He
1.4 coofitienc,.• ~,,,Itich it ha:l repiked ill hint. 1.4" ror s',-ii ini"nAnation as the Ni!ble Lord
)4 for
• ' '
70 - .. anti n7s t.,otr4ht it strqnge that ally
...Inher of Parlianient sho:thl have 'occasion to
,tad ulton hhu, considering the winner in which
'' !ad hetli treated. IL' should, 'titet•efore;.nlove
"" Address to the Prince li. • - in't iit"t his
,
egeot, p. ly p,
,•nyal Eigll,is lvonid bt! pleased to °frier the
Ilealy to he laid bef of e the !louse.
z ,
'"1,,! CASTI.I,P,E.;G:i S.C!, 1-,e Ironicl take mea-
yes tor bresf ot i:::: the Treaty on i'dwiday.
, 'Alf."7.ol'lniz.a,ll) then d.'.sired to know, whether
'''''. , am! what ninnev haul been paid before the
ratificatio: of the Trea-tv ?• Lor.tICASTLEREAGIT.---" I do distinctly say, that
1)" uloney wliatevet• has been paid.'-
• :\Tr. WHITBREAD was glad to heir that dechr-
r':ticr,, and was anxious. for the statement of the
INPIde Lord. Stich agreeable intelligence as that
'v"ich he bad conmmilicated could nut come too
'lon,.

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Or. WlLEErtFotiez h.euged to know what had
• TI ell settled at Congress respecting the Slave'
,„
!e
Lot.i'es
f -•( k,ASTLEREAGEI intended to give some. in-
"rotation on that subject in his general tate-
tnehL
it-
~.all-Tllt r• I'9N:soma-Y. said, that if the 7;ohlt, Lord
• .--i enter into a general statement WI,. Wed-
Zs'ea}"to ,
withoot Previously laying the necessary
-. 4-lucid:wigs before the House, fie' most protest
Inr::aine ;oust q g.ivinu any opinion on such information.
therefore,: put in his claim for
,time. •
Lord CASTLEREAqH merely intended to give a
general ont!ine of what itad been done at Congress.
,k. .( re
;elleral GAsetmE oresented a Petition from
4"' erPonl, signed by 48-,000 persons, praying that
• lt) alteration might he made in tho Corn Laws.
14-e Oserved, that when the Corn Bill was first.
introduced; a great difference of opinion existed lo
p/he town of Liverpool as to the propriety of the
leasure ; hut
as soon as it was, foetid to ‘.Vilat.
:Ilgth the House Were proceeding, th..re was but
:41.e. gel1"al ,Sentiment, and the Pe!. tio,: '"iii ITT
still's,. •, .
1,v,• ripen without any meeting havi;•e• bee- eal'e' •
)ace'th respect to the riotous, couttnet: t the poptt-
"t lil the metropelis, he would only observe,
tr'll4t. a measure of this it indinust naturally product
:eat sensations -though not disturbances ; and
11°Ped- that Millisters would. adopt effectual
-IQ.l'itres to prevent a recurrence of them.
a_ 1 etition3 were also
.presented front -Chesterfield
ntt TOtness 1., .' -'
.
, . „oast the Coln La ws•
Lord Ni
v_lr I tr.Tox. moved for papers relative to the
;TrPost Office.--.-Ordered.
bo k•t}tlAß,•, Presented Petitions f•rom Plymonth
T.,,,,,t ' "Ie rariSh of St..Marv-le-ttooe,_and Imin-
ev,;_. a:ran,t the Corn Laws. He
_feared, bow-
-167,1', drat those Petitions, like all others, wrorld he
~.„,0._711:011. the table, ae.i: ti:,ree..ard.l,l. An im-
r4,4l.7.e.i.d.tscussion had been raise
epon the. Wes-
t-1.4„." Petition, which he was nu lulu,* to Pro-
t), iV'r 6 Si4lll4j I. “ t. '''
1 of
t.oe Aoeie i „ --- - alive yeplied •., the appe,t
111}1401111,;t1d,. t° diSAVQWIII4 any intention
alto, .1 - Ile public mind. He considered it
‘retuer
In* , l-1141,essary for him to disclaim such
ctition
- ; and ne 'thought. that those who dis
i,,a),Prt?:",le.d of the Rill had 'much to complain of the
r_ Tiutees which the riotous behaviour of the mob
,t"(' excited ; for he felt
c le general v persuaded, that, with
oice ♦of the Nation against the mea-
3'ire; Illintqers- would not have proceeded with
f.:' 'ad thei, not deemed it necessary to shew
`i'eir• firmness on the orcasion. Helaine:get' that
Eire
1. Baronet bad not 'given him any assist-
-4.-rte.-rte
;h "c al.:1111st the Bill ; and he thonght, instead of
;:-,,,,.e c°iitry Gentlemen having been made cat's-
,-;',' 03; Government, that Government had been
tilfe Cars-paws by the country Gentlemen. As
r.'),(ce"nfortunate Cransaction- in Burlington-street
,e- litln could deplore' it more'than he' did. Great
-t-insati(msl must .rtaturally be excited ; but he en-
_ rely disapproved of the behaviour of the mob,
ty, admitted that persons were justifiable in re-
l're'ling attacks Upon tlreir houses. He would not
i;"ti) the length of approving all that the Lion.
f,:l'ttet had said respecting Parliamentary Re-
tr,t ii but be felt persuaded that the conduct of
t'_ el/louse on this measure had (lone more injury
ti(i) their
reputation with the people than all the
i)e.:ehes which the Hon. Baronet had ever made.
,r 41.• HRAND observed, that though 'lie had al-
h,,'‘ been sincerely attached to every: thing that
1,141,,'11t
e:,, Procure parliantentary Reformation, yet he
,;-PPl."‘'ed of the•introduction of drat subject as
rite sic with the nreseut measures, whether by
th-t!"°,o• rnironer, or the [ion. Gentlemen. Every
to:17 tleterogeneous and inconsistent had been
e,xlelc npott by the Hon. Gentleman in the
I,,,,tire of' his -speeches on this subject; and after
tre4(lilg done every thing. to inflame the pablie
tit,, ' he then said, that he 'had acted from feel-
;nl,l
d(,iL,2 - conscience. The Hon; Gentletheo, had
tiat..""d,rthat the Country Gentlemen had made
ttlis,3,l4lws of the ministers ; but, however he
ti?!'it then lament the situation to which lie had -
''(l tt _ J.
NI, Ie inctra.pot!s—
U, E. I iti,,Nr.7 rose, io• order. He Was sure
'1,4,e "Ist lean end to all debate• it such conse-
*lir{ 'ce,s were to he attributed to his lion. Friend :
ol'ilt;'(l.'l"re, he the I it 1
[teat better that the House
of , f‘ adjOtil'll till the metropolis were in a state
v'"f.(st trniuriiiiity.
. ~ 3,
1,,,.""AND was tinder :correction.; but if any
‘tli„ 'ieother •• . • • , .
ci!4ii!)ed onploncr motives to those
RR ~..- llorted the Bill, it teas natural for him
114,-,4,15t'Ll the charge.. He ished, however, to
l!iti. ne ineougrui:y of the lion. Gentleman in
11,, '4lrrvilig• p: .! . . p ion', The lio"•
~„.0:1„. , ar.iamint,,Ty le . ' ~,,. r ‘ „it
,9c!(: t'elned to concur, with hull, t". • ' '
A. r "rII-Laws, 7ind he COlicUrred With the lIOn.
'414,:?" an I'o nvforw, but not precisely in the
t'it;!,ele.v"Y• The two snbjeets ought lout to be
4it'ted fm this occasiou.
'''ll(,,' ''-utitio eoreended, that be was strictly in
1;1/4'144: as '') %t felt he bad said respecting •Porna-
'Y li 1 • :1 4.i I. t the mea-
e, . t anf ae repel tet t iht . ;4t,t.:(-" hf,:or, the ;,' loose would injure their re"
:it tlll.,'l)‘‘'it!t the eeople. Thaw wooid '"'se. in"le
1•r;„„c \,.-ever if, i,, i eat i„,mni-e. than by any act.
,_ ~,td , , ,
ri,,,._.,
"" kikCti piaCC 811+re he. had sat ,vithin
, i( , .
'et "."I• I.le•lri ei,v -r ~,,• 1 :kit there were
4414
,t„, . , , . . . e
liit) bad 110: voted cou6ciet:u.ously ; but