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London, England, 1840-07-14 00:00:00

CANAL CARRIAGE BILL.

Sir J. GRAHAM wished to ask his Hon. Friend
near him (Mr. Green) if it were his intention to proceed
any further with the Canal Carriage Bill ?
Mr. GREEN said that as the Bill had been looked
on with distrust by the carriers the Canal Company had
requested him to withdraw it. He moved, therefore,
that the order should be read and discharged.
The order was accordingly read and discharged.
Mr. COLQUHOUN presented a petition from the
Port of Glasgow, praying for an efficient system of
emigration ; also a petition from Glasgow against the
intrusion,of Ministers in the Scottish Church. •
Lord J. RUSSELL presented a petition froM the
Medical Practitioners of Stroud, prayin,, for Medical
Reform ; also a petition from the Board of Guardians of
Tamworth, praying for a reduction of the Assistant
Poor-law Commissioners, and a petition from Dept-
ford in favour of the Poor-law Continuance Bill.
Mr. SLANE Y gave notice that, on Friday
next lie should move for leave to bring in a
Bill to amend the law relating to the building
of houses below a certain value in populous towns.
The Hon. Member also gave notice that he would,
next Session, move for leave to bring in a Bill to
amend the laws relating to sewers and drainage in po-
pulous towns.
Sir ROBERT PEEL presented a petition from a
place in Scotland, in favour of Lord Aberdeen's Church
of Scotland Bill.
MESSAGE FROM THE CROWN.
THE REGENCY.

Lord JOHN RUSSELL appeared at the Bar with
the following message from the Crown, which was read
by the Speaker, every Member being uncovered :
" Victoria Regina. The uncertainty of human life,
and a deep sense of my duty to my people, render it
incumbent on me to recommend to you to consider
contingencies which may hereafter take place, and to
make such provision as will, in any event, secure the
exercise of the Royal authority.
I shall be prepared to concur with you in those mea-
sures which may appear best calculated to maintain
unimpaired the power and dignity of the Crown, and
thereby to strengthen the securities which protect the
ights and liberties of my people." V. R.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL then rose and said,—Sir,
as it is intended by her Majesty's advisers to introduce
the proposed measure in the other House of Parliament,
and as it would not be respectful to the Crown to delay
the acknowledgment of this House of her Majesty's
gracious message, I beg leave to move that an humble
address bo presented to her Majesty, thanking her Ma-

jesty for her most gracious Message,. and to assure
her Majesty that this House will, with. the least practi-
cable delay, proceed to the consideration of such mea-

sures as appear best calculated to rnaiutaie unimpaired
the power and dignity of the Crown, and thereby
strengthen the securities which protect -the rights and
liberties of the people.
The address was agreed to, nemine col.tradicente, and
ordered to be presented to her Majesty ay those Mem-
bers who were of her Mjesty's Most -Honourable the
Privy Council.
BUSINESS OF THE I-LOUSE.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said, that having arrived
at that period of the S,ssion in which, such a course was
necessary for the despatch of public business, he would
propose that after that day public business-should com-
mence at half-past four o'clock.—Agreed to.
SUPPLY.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL moved 'the Order of the
Day for going into a Committee of Supply.
Mr. HUME rose to call the attmntion of the House
to a petition with which he had bcou entrusted by the
Speaker of Prince Edward's Island... It was not his in-

tention to make any motion on ;the subject, because
he thought .it you'd be better, and more coo-

sonant with the object of the House of Assembly,
merely to point out their sense of their grievances, and
what they asked.—(Order, order.)
The SPEAKER intimated that, as the Hon. Gen-
tleman did not mean to make any motion on the sub-

ject, he could not call the attention of the House to i

on the present question.

Mr. H UME submitted that, on reading the Order I
of the Day for going into Committee of Supply, to
make a statement of any grievances which they had to
complain of, and he apprehended that such had been
the invariable custom and usage of Parliament.
Mr. BARNABY begged to ask the Noble Lord
when it was• his intention to move the third reading
of the County Constabulary Bill. Ho understood that
Thursday next had beekfixed, and he wished to know
whether it would be taken early in the evening.
Lord J. RUSSELL intended to postpone the third
reading on Monday, but it would not be in his
power to propose it first, as his Right Honour-
able Friend the Chancellor of the Exchequer in-
tended to bring in the Irish Tithes Bill, and it
was his (Lord John Russell's) intention to move
the Report on the Ecclesiastical Duties and Revenues
Bill. He believed that he had not been sufficiently
explicit in stating, his intention with regard to the
Clergy Reserves (Canada) Bill. It stood: committed
pro forma, and it was his intention to take the discus-
sion on Thursday, but he found the Bill would not be
ready, and he should therefore postpone it till Monday.
RAILWAYS.

Lord S TATET‘'SFIT begged to ail; when it NVV,
int,'ndcd brio tor lid the di•cut—ion on the iteiltv4ys
,14 4rc.kt esi-tcd on the 3nhjeot
Lord J. RUSSELL proposed bringing it forward on
Thursday or Friday next.
BIRMINGHAM CHARTER.

Sir EARDLEY WILMOT wished to ask the
Hon. Under-Secretary for the Home Department
a question respecting the Birmingham charter. When
the Birmingham Rates Bill was introduced they had
been given to understand that the question of the
validity of the charter would be soon set at rest.
Since that period rates had been sought to be levied,
and had been, in many instances, expressly refused, and
not only had they been refused by many of
the inhabitants of Birmingham, but the Magistrate
himself, amongst the number, had received notices
that they would be proceeded against by action if
they signed any writ for bringing distresses for the reco-
very of those rates, and the consequence was that every-
thing was in a state of inextricable confusion. He
wished to ask if it were likely that any decision would
be come to with respect to the validity of the Birming-
ham Charter before the vacation ?
Mr. FOX M AULE was not conversant with the
proceedings of the Courts of Justice on this question.
He was sorry that neither the Attorney-General or the
Solicitor-General were present to answer the Hon.
Baronet ; and he must be aware that if there was any
delay it did not originate with Government.
Colonel SIBTHORP wished to make a few ob-
servations.—(Cries of " Order.")
The SPEAKER said the Hon. and Gallant Officer
was clearly out of order. If he wished to ask a ques-
tion, he could do so.
Colonel SIBTHOItP would like to know why the
Attorney-General was not in his place ?—(Laughter.)
That was a simple question.—(Roars of laughter.) A
question had been put on an important point, and re-
ference had been made to the Attorney-General. He
should like to know where the Attorney-General was,
and why he was not in his place?.—(Laughter.)
Lord J. RUSSELL—The Attorney-General has
not quite so much leisure time as the Hon. and Gal-
lant Member.—(Laughter.)
NORTH AMERICAN BOUNDARY.

Sir R. PEEL said that he had asked the Noble
Lord for some papers relative to the boundary question
before the Easter recess. Those papers had been pro-
mised at an early period, and had not yet been pro-
duced.—( Hear, hear.) He should not think it a satis-
factory ans.ver to state that further papers had been
since received, as the first batch ought at all events
to have been laid upon the table before this.
Lord PALMERSTON must take the responsi-
bility of the non-production of those papers upon him
self. He had been anxious to lay on the table, at the
same time with these papers, the Report of the Commis-
sioners who bad been appointed to make the survey..
These papers and that Report were now printed, and
would be laid on the table in a few days.
Sir R. PEEL—WiII that Report be laid upon the
table in extenso
Lord P A LME RSTO N—Yes .
Sir ROBERT PEEL—Without omission or
abridgment ?
Lord PAL MESTON—Yes. There was one point
of the boundary which the Commissioners had not
been able to survey as minutely as could be
desired, and he had since appointed two other Com-
missioners, who had since completed the survey.
Colonel SIBTHORP—I shall object to allow the
expense of those Commissioners.—(Roars oflaugbter.)
Lord PALMERSTON thought it might be satis-
factory to state to the House that her Majesty's Go-
vernment, since the communication from the United
States Government during the last year, had sent out to
the United States for a definitive convention finally to
settle the boundary question.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir ROBERT PEEL—Is that proposition founded
on the basis of the proposition made by the United
States Government, or is it a new proposition which
the Government may feel itself at liberty to accept or
reject 2
Lord PALMERSTON—It is founded on the basis
of the proposition made by the United States.
MR. FEARGUS O'CONNOR.',
Sir F. BURDETT wished to ask if any order had
been sent from the Horne Department to the magistrates
at York, desiring them to prevent Mr. F. O'Connor
from forwarding petitions to the House.
Mr. FOX MAULE knew of no such order.
TRAFALGAR-SQUARE.
In answer to an Hors. MEMBER,
The CHANCELLOR of th 3 EXCHEQUER
stated that he had no objection to postpone the vote for
Trafalgar-square to the last on the list.
EDUC kTION.

Lord J. RUSSELL said the vote for education
would be takon in its ordinary course in the Committee
of Supply. He had given notice of it expressly for
this day.
Mr. GOULBURN said the notice had been given.
he understood, the other night, for the votes in the
Committee of Supply for Friday, and at the same time
it had been stated that, the vote for Education would
be postponed till to-day. As the Committee of Supply
had not been taken on Friday he thought it was very
natural to expect that the education vote would not be
taken to-day.
Lord J. RUSSELL thought the expectation of the
Right Hon. Gentleman very unnatural.
PRINCE EDWARD'S ISLAND.

On the Order of the Day for the House resolving
itself into a Committee of Supply being read,
Mr. HUME said he wished to make a few observa-
tions on a petition he presented the other day from the
Speaker and House of Assembly of Prince Edward's
Island. It appeared that when the Colony was first
settled grants of land of 20,000 acres each had been
made, and if the guarantees failed in their engage-
ments the Government possessed a power of escheat,
So early as the year 1795 the evils arising from this be-
came intolerable, and in 1802 the erection of a Court of
Escheat was recommended. Nothing further had been
done till 1832, since which time the House of Assembly
had been occupied in devising measures for the reme-
dying of this grievance. The Legislative Assembly,
however, stopped all these Bills, and they now petitioned
the House to address her Majesty for the appointment
of a Court of Escheat, so as to put an end to the uncer-
tainty of these tenures. The grievance was severe, and
the remedy an easy one, but he could not at that ad-
vanced
period of the session do more than recommend
the subject to the attention of her Majesty's Government.
Lord J. RUSSELL could only state generally that
the grievances arose from grants from the Crown in
times past. Those grants at the time they took place
were very important, and had been made on the con-
dition that the land should be tenanted by a certain
number of Protestants. He hoped in another Session
some means would be found to put an end to the grie-
vances complained of. On the part of the Crown he
could not agree to insist that the rights of property
should be violated by a demand of forfeitures on the
part of the Assembly.
CRACOW.

On the motion for the House resolving itself into a
a Committee of Supply.
Sir S. CANNING rose to call the attention of the
House to the state of affairs at Cracow, more particu-
larly as it bore on commerce. Cracow had been re-
duced to a situation of the most painful character ;
it had been occupied by Foreign troops, and re-
duced to submission to a foreign country. It
was true that it was remote from the shores of this

EVENING EDITION

country, and was trifling in exec ut, but it xis important
from its situation, interesting from its rank, and as km:-
ing an integral part of th* kingdom of Pol.!nd•
It was painful for him to state that, notwithstanding,

the asNuranze he received from the opposie benches on
the last occasion he brought this suljcet forward,
in harmony with his own views et the subject,
the occupation still remained attended with circum-
stances of considerable avravation. It was natural.
therefore, for him, an.l in his opinion, a positive duty'
to inquire into the cause of these circumstances, and
to plaCe her Majesty's Ministers in a sit tuition of afford-
ing whatever explanation they could upon the subject.

Ile was satisfied that in the circumstances to which he

had alluded, there was enough to justify the appeal he in-
tended to the House that eveniog,- even on a Supply
night. Reference had been ma le to it in the course of the
Session—questions had been asked of the Noble Lord
opposite—petitions had been presented, and notices had
been given--and he must say ha regretted a subject so
delicate and important had not fallen into abler kinds.
The subject might, or [eight not, involve a charge
against het Majesty's Ithei.aers, and he would not take
upon himself to say, before hearing the statement of
the Noble. Lord, whether it did or not. He brought
forward the motion free from any party motive whatever.
It appeared to him that the manner in which the affairs
of the country had been conducted during the
present Session, and more particularly the fo.
reign policy of thq Government, were such, as
would not authorize him in gie'ng his sanetic,n
to the proceedings of her 11,jeste's Government. It
was only necessary to point out their present relations
with China,with Naples, with EuenocAyres, w idi Perei,
and the United States, with which thee LOU shy h-°"
on friendly terms, and, he might 'uiJ. tee, if they
looked to the state of their affairs Washingtoo
and.. Constantinople, there was some ground for .suppos-
ing that great apathy and neglect existed on the part of
the present Government. It was, he contended, the
duty of the Government to ascertain the circumstances
that had led to their present position with regard to
Cracow. It was not necessary for him to refer in de-
tail to the stipulations of the treaty of Vienna, by which
the existence of Cracow was guaranteed, because the
provisions of that treaty had been brought before the
House on more thaw one occasion. It was enough for
him to say that, by the articles of that treaty, the lode'
pendence, freedom, and neutrality of Cracow had been
secured. He now approached a matter much more
painful, and that was the occupation of Cracow by
foreign troops. The Russian troops at that time en-
tered suddenly into the territory of Cracow, apparently
without any previous concert with the other Powers'
but under an impulse that might be supposed to be
right, from the peculiar circumstances of the me'
meet. Tee cccupation of rnr. ,Dort slur ;tier.
not exceeding, he believed, mouth,; and it 7:an but
fair to statc diet circumstance was ,vainly brow;ht
about by an amica.ble interference -oa the part of lus'
trio. The second occupation occurred some years
later, and was lees excusable, and appeared to love
borne a more serious character. It was unnecessell
for him to enter into details upon it argument, as the
principal circumstances were well known, he believed'
to the House. The principal circumstances of that
occupation were not confined to the mere establishment
of a military authority : many of the features of that
occupation were of a civil and political character. The
forms of a free constitution were indeed preserved, be',
the*supreme conference had been vested in the Per'
manent authority of the three Residents.—(Hear')
The constitution itself, as inserted in the treaty
Vienna, had been completely changed ; and, not content
with that, the new authorities had introduced arbitrary
enactments calculated to remove all authority front thej
functionaries of the place. The police were place
under the directions of Austrians, and all the appoint'
ments were put under the direction of the Conference
itself. A discouraging system of duties had also been
placed upon the trade of the country. This it was tti
which the petitions that had been laid on the table °f
the House had been directed, and judging from the el.
respondence to which he had had access, the people °
Cracow had borne all these trials with the greatest fed
bearance and resignation. One of the evils that he
resulted from this state of things had been the retirereentt
,
of persons most likely to obtain the respect and eon";
dense of the people. In the ensuing year, 1839, men
it
vials were addressed to the Governments of France '.)
England claiming their production. He could not (111
miss the subject without alluding to what was conceM,
would be the remedy for that state of things be had
imperfectly described. He thought the interests of tb
country had been too much neglected, and it now
remained for the country to afford at the present (130;
some tardy reparation. It was difficult to Pre
cure any exact statement of the commerce •
Cracow with this country, or our relatielir
with it, but be thought it would be difficult
any person to cast their eyes upon the map of Eurnrto
without understanding the importance of Crsoon' r,
the trade of this country. Having shown the ingli
tante of Cracow to the trade of this coantryle thoefio
the House would not be insensible to the advent°.
that might be derived in a commereW paint of vie'
in placing an agent there. He had, therefore, to e",l
press a hope that whatever difficulties had Presente
themselves that something would be done in th tt re;
spect. It was impossible not to suppose, after obBo
had been stated by the Noble Lord some years egr:,
that there might be objections raised to an age
being there ; but he thought that ought not to de"to,
the Government from taking so desirable a step.' 141,r
burgh, in point of commercial station, was not big
uji
than Cracow ; and there this country had not Or
an agent, but it Consul. It was from these considero
tions he had stated, notwithstanding the lapse of yet I;
since the promise of the Noble Lord, that he lip
confident hope that something would be done. re
had taken up this subject from no party conside.ra,
tions, but from a firm belief of the necessity el. joi
pressing it upon the attention of the Government, iljs
he trusted there were Members on both sides el "he
1 House that would aid him in doing so, 05,01.
thought it was particularly the province of the 'tad.
hers' of that House to watch over interests of.thatto
He had now alluded to all the points which appears the
him to bear upon the question, and he trusted
case would be found of sufficient importance Tele,
duce the House to take some steps in connexion t"
I with. He felt that the nature of the subject was su
cient to excite the interest of the House, and althoeloge
he was aware that the subject was a dry and irlts°,lo
one in its details, he felt grateful to the House for It
attention it had bestowed upon his observations•Lorcl
would depend upon the line taken by the Noble '„;,60
(Palmerston) whether he should make any aPc".
motion on the subject. io
Mr. GALLY KNIGHT felt much pleasnr-031
supporting the observations of his Right Hon. Fri
and he felt himself peculiarly qualified to address iv
House on the present subject, having taken a deePbio
terest in the question of Poland. It appeared to the
this country was highly blameable for permitting lace
scenes of atrocity and tyranny which had taken P the
towards that brave, but unfortunate people. Oh3,f
last occasion when the question had been brought m".oe4
the House, the Noble Lord had pro10:15.0
that before a month had elapsed, a 13rit'e3
'Consul would be appointed at Cracow. It 'turner
out subsequently that some apprehensions were entot,
twined that might displease the Russian GoyernPeol
and no steps were taken in the matter. Now he `Sri'
ask, was that a proper position for a country like for
tarn to take up ? Were they sunk so low as to 00
the displeasure of the Russian Government ?
trusted such was not the case, because on a nwrfidio
cent occasion when the publication called the For`Lorti
was coming out, the great object of the Noble sot
appeared to be to enter into a war with Russia. 01
his policy would appear to be to give the Dardanler
to Russia and Egypt to France. He could not nr!
stand why, if Russia objected so strongly to the 'fiaid
pendence of Cracow, she had tolerated it in sat-40 03
the provisions of the treaty of Vienna. In bed
Russia, under the pretence of protecting Cree°%oo
sent her troops, and actually taken military P°ssc-,100
of Cracow, and he believed that such an aggcgijcif
was not paralleled in the annals of the world. 1, no
trade had been taken from them, their intlepenne,",io
had been completely destroyed, and yet they in *jt
appealed to the British Government for protection•no
appeared to him that the inscription poetirc the
said to have been written over the entrance 91,00,
infernal regions might be well applied to,, t",O
"no hope remains for those who enter here. the
proposition which he understood had been made t° fa
British Government was, that there should be a cl,ty
rence of the three Powers who were parties to the frecoi
of Vienna, to devise measures for restoring to Cr atl.
those powers which were gUaranteed by that "oo'
Notting could be, in his opinion, more fair and re n iff
able, and he merely trusted that the House would g
an assent to some such proposition.—(Hear.)
Cen'
Lord PALMERSTON said the Right Hon. bad
tleman, in the course of the sweeping attack be eat,
made upon the conduct of. her Majesty's Govern thief
had taken care to deprive them of any hope,
„or
might entertain of counting upon his apprebati%ce,
support—( Hear, hear)—by stating, at the coon et
ment of his speech, that he entirely disappr°ve chit
their policy, foreign and domestic. He assured op
Right Hon. Gentleman, that no such clearing w.)
was necessary to set the matter right.—(A law` is'
He was quite aware that they had incurred the 'leg
fortune of his disapprobation ; but they should en ..e,
your as well as they could to remedy that misforto"ol,
—(Laughter.) The Right Hon. Gentleman had 10,
laded to the discussions which were going on with N 3,9.0,
Buenos Ayres, Constantinople,Washington, and Cuirly
as proofs of the mistaken policy of the present Onv.de
ment. They certainly did not pretend to more te"00
door than their neighbours, but they took care at dad
to understand a subject before they talked upon it' twit
the Right Hon. Gentleman read the discussions ha
had lately taken place in the French Chambencea
would have been aware that the differences bel`roe
that country and Naples had, through the interfereo
of France, been happily adjusted ( Hear, he a
ths
What the discussions were with Buenos AYrc!'forto
Right Hon. Gentleman had not condescended to In

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