The Sun.
London, England, 1812-06-25 00:00:00

SILVER TOKENS.

• The following table of the weight'and value of
several of the- pro,vincial tokens, which at present
form a part large part of the silver circulation,
Las been drawn up by Mr. N(V.h, of the Assay
OffiCe,.York, from the assays made by him. The
intrinsic value is' said-to be calculated according
to the present price of silver, (but the price is
not mentioned) and-the weights. on an average of
several pieces.. ,The 4th column states -the in-
feriority in every 12 oz. to standard silver :--

tvelight.r.WOref.intrin.
• ,t. d. duls: gr. du is. 2,711(e.
The Bank Dollar of 5 6 17 8 9
Ditto - 3 9 11 9 ll'
.1

,The Gloucester - •
The Newcastle , 2 6 - 7 3
The Hull 1 6 314
Ships, Colonies, & Commerce 1 6 318
The Doncaster 1 0 2lt
~The Leeds 1 0. 3 1
Thp Newcastle, by Robertson ...:1 0 222
The Newcastle, by Kelty l. 0. 218
The York I. 0 , 2 16
The Lincolnshire . ...
The Whitby 1 '0 216
'The West Riding ...1 0 216
The Scarborough' - 1 0 '2.16
The Stockton..... , '
~ 1 0 • 2 16
The Newark 1 0 2 12'
TLe Sheffield • ' 1 0 -2 23
'The Shaftesbury
The London .(Warren's) 1 0 215
The Bristol 1 0 .2 16
The Bridlington • 1 0 210
The Derby 1 0 212
,;The Lincoln 1 0 213
The G-ninsbroor;il 1 o_, 3, -1
The Charing Cross) London 1 o''' 2 7
'I he Stamp Office - ,
The Beadford 1 0 220

The rozely
T . York .
!The Britannia .
The Hall. •
'I he Derby •

10 2 8
06 1 5
0 6 1, 7
06 1 6
06 1 2

A most excellent arra.ugement has taken place,
a-nd will be notified:officially .from tlie War Office,
f )1. granting Pensions to Officers wouinled severely,
or who haire lost•an eye or limb in the service.—
Vile scale of pensions 'will be frorn 4001. per ann.
-the.highest to a General, and 501, the lowest to an
EtiNign, and intermediately according to regimen
tax rank.

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the thoffeeileolleCtihg tith's, and afterwards,
that they -were to be. attributed to the:landlords,
and not to tie tithes. Certainly he (Mr. is.) did
state what he had now no difficulty of, repeating,
and What he had. formerly .so artell stated, that
the Clamours athong the lower orders of the peo-
ple in-Ireland against the tithes, arose from their
not understanding the subject, and from not knoW-
ing the. nature,. of the tithes. For he did think,
that•thet system must be ranch more convenient to
the Irisli peasantry, and much more popular,
which' only took -from them one-thirtieth instead
of one-tenth of the produce of their lands. He..
was' warrented, therefore, in saying, that the
common people of Ireland were -ief.norant of the
nature. of the subject, and thateteey were not
aware thet be removing wlit. they were pleased
to call their present grievances, they would make
themselves liable to a greater burthene becease.,
as he observed hte.fOre, if the House were to make
any regulation upon this subject, the foundation.
of it must be the legal demand of the clergy to
one-tenth of the produce. That, he repeated,
must be the foundation of the measure if any al-
teretion were attempted. But his ,Honourable
Friend hild stated that he (Mr. P.) had maintain-
ed that the tithe system was a great grievance in
Ireland, and' then:that lie (Mr. P.) was guilty of
an inconsistency in stating that the whole cause
of the'diffieulty lay on the-landlords, -and not on
the system of tithes. Now ilk! would beg leave to
state his own explanation upon this point, , in the
outset of that sptech which was the ,subject of
the Honourable Gentlerrian's animadversion,- he
did take the libaty of7stati4g, that. if there was a
reasonable degree of-foundation for thostealleged
grieveoces, it was an object riorit near aed dear to
him (for that washis ea:ln.:en:ion). to put the people
of Ireland on a better condition ie that respect ;
but he (Mr. P.) found it utterly impracticable;
for when he came to consider more nearly the
state of thOse people, he did abSekve, that un-
luestionably a great part of the misery they suf-
fered was owing to What were gilled the middle
men, These were the observations to which the
Honourable Gentlemarnha.d Made so much' objec-
tion. But, neverthelesS, he still mainteined the
same opinion ; and
,first, he Would'undertake to
shew why the system of tithes -in Ireland Was less
obnoxious to the people • than other sinirceetf
complaint ; and he would stew that they oppress-
ed the people in a less degree than seemed to be"
imai.eieedj and that they were by no means the
cause of the real harship of Which ,the common
people of is at country complained. Of this muel,
however,, he would again assure the Honourable
Gentleman, that if he would point out any meat
sure at all commensurate with the object he had in
view, he would most cordially support him.—
With eegard'tn these Middle men, his • Honour-
able Friend stated that it was a most extra-,
ordinary thing that any Irish Gentleman
shetild find anj*. fault with the persons call-
el the Middle Men. Now there vas an-
other terin ...which naturally. arose out of the
system of Middle men, and to which, in fact,
their conduct had given rise. Did the Hon.
Gentleman' ever hear of the Land Pirate-men ?
Surely the Hon.. Gentleman could rot deny the
existence of such persons. These were not the
persons who were to be considered as the respect-
:able land-owners of the country, who gave their
tenantry fair - play. He would ask, was it to be
supposed that such landlords as he now saw in
that House were -the sort of lendlords of which
complaint was made in Ireland ? The' supposition
was so offensive that be would net venture to en=
tertain it. But what, he Would -ask, were the
distressing cireumstancee which accrued some-
times from the Leasing systeln, as it bad' been
called in this country ? There were few Irish
Gentlemen in the House ignOrant of its effects.
He wouldju.st put it to the Hon. Gentleman him-
Self, for he could _not be ignorant Of that system;
suppose he were to let a farm or three or 400

acres to a Solvent tenant, ti:-inch :solvent tenant,
though a very good man, lets the same faun for
three lives to another man. He (Mr.T.) would
not suppose that the Hon. Meinher would in these
times let such a farm for, so long a period at the
same rent. 13nt he would suppose that such a
farm vas let for one life or fora term of years

this person then lets the same fArnvat'an incireas-
ed rent, subdivided into other farms for different

periods : these minor tenement! are perhaps hand-
ed over to other landlords; till atlast they come
to what are called the Land Pirates and it often
'happened at' last that the actual occupier of the
land had to pily two, three, four, five; Or six. rents.
Surely then, the complaint of the tithe systeni
must be a matter of very inferior consideration
Unconnected With any other cause of complaint.
fie thought it necessary to state so much respeet-
ing what his Honourable Friend had. said on the
subject of What•he (Mr. P.) stated as. to the land-
lords' system in Ireland. In -fa`t., there was no
one subject that his Hon. 'Friend had touched
upon, relating to any remedy that 'could be pro-
posed on this subject, that did not apply to one
or other .of the arguinents that had been hereto-
fore urged upon the 'question, and that was not
anticipated by. every poison who gravely Consider-
ed the subject. For his own part, he had un-
questionably looked at it with the utmost anxiety;
he had considered, with the most cautions delibera-

/ . - •
tion, all the circumstances-that had been urged on
every occasion the subject had been discussed ;
he had bstowed a patient. investigation on all
the plans and views that had been suggested by
different Gentlemen : in short, he had examined
the subject-with the most minute attention, and
the result of that inquiry, in his, Mind, had been
a conviction that any change or alteration in the
condition of the .people' of- Ireland on the parti,
cular subject, founded upon the propositions
hitherto maintainecl, would put them in a. -worse_
situation than they were at this moment. For

one, it was his firin opinion that if any such plan
were attempted to be carried -into execution, in-
stead of ameliorating 'their condition; it would
aggravate their alleged grievances. In .so saving,
however be did not mean to admit that the people
of Ireland were in a bad situation for lie would
say, that with-respect-to' tithes in Ireland, com-
pared, with th tithe system in England., the result
would be found to be 'greatly in favour of Ireland.

tet any thin &Oznpare the tithe lawa Of the one
with these of the other country, and h would,
iScon seethat there was a large :balance in favout=,
of the Irish. The' Irish IlleW nothing of Sit%
tithes ; and in a large proportion of that country
they only knew the tithesupon hay by name ; anci
„above all, the whOle of the pasture land of the
country was exempt from the consequences of that
institution, This, he thought, it was necessarY
to have stated upon the subject of tithes.in the
two countries. 'He bad also ventured to state
that he thought It would be found that any person
who looked-narrowly into this. subject, would find
the difficulties opposed in his- way insurmountable.
Tre had used every argument in his power to in-.
duce_his ITon. Friend to turn his mind to the
subject'. butlie could net help"regretting, that his
Hon: Friend after having taken so much- time to
'consider it, had come down to the House with.;
out producing any other effect from his Cogita-
tions than the very same proposition which he
had heretofore on. former occasion laid befoFe
the House,. and to which the sense of Parliament
had been decidedly, opposed. He would now re-
peat as he had often repeated, that as long as.he
shOuld have the honour of _a seat in that. House,
and- his Honourable Friend could find or desire
any measures whie'a he really-thought equal to the
objects which he had in view, and should bring-
them before the
House in the shape •a Bill,
lie pledged himself to meet it fairly anu dispos-
sionately. He would in all events be ready to debate
clause by ::.louse, and if he could, he would. sup-
port it in its. last enacting stage-: but he should
not act fairly if he did not state his hUmble opi-
-Ilion that it was impossible to bring forward an of that kind ; andille thought the Honse
would agree - with . him iliac there was wore
difficulty in , the matter than. at first struck the,
view, because his Honourable Friend, w4l. all his
talents, assiduity, labour, and knowledge of the
subject, and all the systems and plans over devised
upon the 'topic before him, _and with the aide as-
sistauce Of the Right Ron. Gentleman, the
her for Dublin, bad not been able, alter three
years consideration (this being the third year the
subject was brought before Parliament), to-bring
forward any measure which _ the -wisdom of the
Parliament could adopt. Upon the grounds,.,
therefore, the Honourable Gentleman 11h-itself bed;
stated,, and after a' patient consideration of the
by which the question was_ environed,
he felt that he, must giVe his vote against' the
motion.

LIST of the MINORITY on Mr. CANNING's MOTION 'oct
Tuesday last.
Adams, C. *Fellowes., W. H. I Peel, R.
Addington, rt. bn.J. *Ferguson, James' Plutn.er, Sir T.
Agar, Capt. E. F. *Featherstone, SirT Price, Sir C.
*Apsley, Lord Finch, Hon. Gen. Rainer, Capt....l.
Artshdall, Gen. M. Fitzliarris, Visc. *Rochfort, G. H.
Baker, P. W. Fitzliurrh, W. Rose, G. H.
Bath a-rst, at. hon.B. Glscoyrie, Gen. T. Ryder, rt. hon. R.
"Beau:::::ont, Col. T. Giddy, Davies Shelly, 'F.
Pt.:is-on, R. Gbulboura, H. Shitinzill
Beniinck,LordC.W;,*HarveYJ Admiral Sloane ,:XT'..
*Bernard, Viscount *Heatheote, T. F. *Sue-yii, N.
*Blackburne, J. *Hirichingbroke, Vs *Somerset, Lord A.
Mackburne, J. T. *Hotablon, J.A. Stewart, It.
Pouverie, C. H. Jenlainson, Hon. C. &-erlitl:4, fir W
Burrell, Sir.C.NI. Kenrick, W. ' Shaw, S.r J. •
Barton, F. King, Sir J. D. Strutt col. J. K.
Calvert J. *Leslie, Col. C. *Sumner, G. H.
• Chaplin) C. Leycester, H. Spies Sir M.
Chaplin, C. inn. Lockhart, J. J. homson,
*Cholinondeley, T. Loft, Gen. Thynue, Lord J.
*Chute, W. Tioftus, Gen. *Tremayne;J. ,
*Clements, Col. H. LoWther, Viscount Verelker, Col.
Clive, Viscount *Lowther, J. Vyse, Capt. R.
Coke, D. P. *Lowther, Col. J. Wallace, rt. tin. t: •
-Chmoton, Viscount LuShington, R. S. Walpole, Lord
Curtis, Sir W. *Lygon, Hon. W. *Wersycs" Gert..•
. eDavenport, D. , *Mac Naghten, E. Wigram, W.
Davis, Hart Magens, M. D. Williams, R.
Drake, Thos. T. Manners, Gen. Yorke, rt.. hon. -
Drake, W. T. Mexhorough, Earl Yorke, Sir-J.
*Drummond Milnes, R. P. TELLERS.
*Drummond -• Monta.oe, M. Nicholl, rt. ha.Sirff,
Dufferin, 'Lord Moore'Lord H. Yorke, rt. hon. C.
Egerton' J. Morris, It. - 'PAIRED OFF.
,Ellison, Col. R. Nicholls rt. hn.SirJ. La.seelles, hon. IL
Estcourt, Thos. G. Norton, Hon. Gen. Lefevr?, C. 5.
*Fane J. . , his. T. R. Newark, Vise..
'Farquhar, James Onslow,•hn. Col.• T.
* Those art County Members.

It is generally admitted that the most ‘listiff-
guished speeches in the late debate on the Catho'
lie Question were, on the one side, Mr. BA"
THUIIST'S, as a specimen of 'close and powert4.
argument, and Mr. CANg.trro.'s reply, as.a ‘pf.tc-e
of brilliant eloquence. From the latenesS of the-
hour at which those Gentlemen respectively rose,
those speeches have, of course, been ina.dequatelf-
reported.'
.•

On Monday last, in Loiver Brook-street, the Lady of the
Right Hon. Lord W. Beauclerk, of a Son. ••
On the 9:.;;ql..t.inst. at he:e father's house in Bloomsburg
sqnnre, :the Lady olltalph Deane, Esq. of a Son.
On. Tuesday, at • their •house in Weymouth-street, .111:rs. •
Charles Bevan, of a Son.