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London, England, 1840-07-16 00:00:00

the public. . - "With resPect to the. other two t not to mike a stoternent on any Bill uiril it conies ido lea,e the eha'r•—( Hear, bear.) Before he sat down , most improper to ii fl et a punishment which would he
gentlemen, lit had watten ti Sir H. Vivien,
b ggitig Ito the seem- (I readioi.r. But. Inv Lerthe I am c e wlie d aei •Os ! hie to refer to neether ohs-re:aeon of the Attot-l'aft,rware.s ii-reeimaide.
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of him- to select two officers in of. ,fay' connected with that your Comte ;,.'s .sliou'd Of• put in pus e,si9o ii,--(..;..w'reii. who appeAl,,d to c,,ri:ifi Heti. M. in •ers 1 Mr, CRAVEN BERKELEY so•neely rel-jected to
the ciFe, ae they would he eine:. liaeiv to eive en lie- of toe getourei ototisieuis of Ili. 13,0 heave tt i, pi ,e,•. i e",.,oeled with Ireland, end- comp e•irii il that he ( NI". ! the Pun•shilleiit et death being t:lteli st,vay in e,;ses (.1
partial opiiiioe. Ai leer ae reeereeti the 'l,' gory of ti-“: hi, .„„r ja„,,,, 1,, ~,•iif.:. Yea 1.,,.,rd.0ips w;ii r.:-• ' K,) ha.i ffeed to extend the tnea- ore to
,Ireland. The : rape.
1:o, aec,..s-40:-, et o,ly !e'er: el diet it tin! not was th,:t he Eviti not, vv; eu ;\ 'Me. 1...!.NG DA LE eahl he tvoii!el ref In the onnisli-
House that 11,. wa, riet:CS-,hrs' ti:-.t -ill v.i7ttirk• elieual tie:. eo.:t.-et 11,t1 i,o,ii••••,..itc,
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lace as to whether the proceeding.; hie bees: 0,7111 .1W LAI lair Majesty to di • Tn'oat, it wie thoireht Let:chatty to . lie brought lit the BA had an opportunity of leeroing -mint ot &ode ib the else of murder, h,„,,„,„, he taeuele
P hut h., then, a proviewei ter the onty coefiegieley wnich i the ITnittitlS iii lion. Member• cenneeted ,tiff
fairly or not, he read leave no oak etwe to it ,
thought that ahich telieteel to too' Couno.S tuner ought aight at th it bole ocean: and wheel.' appeared : country, and that he thought tt. „Loa be u„dno pre.. wool] operate in the sante way in cases of rape. There
to be separated from the Government. to him a possible event—id the Crown descend- sumption in him to attempt a course of bgislation for was as much injury done to a virtuous female and her
Mr. O. GORE then rose to adorass. the House, but nit to an toestrieue individual who, from his impor- that country without the eoneurrerace of its representa- -elations by forcibly robbing, her of her chastity as
was reminded by die Speaker that there was nu question tant positioie as the S eyereign of another country, Lives; but as lie had since learnt it was the dt &re of a -would be by depriving her of life. On this ground, he
under consideration. m ght not be in these di:minima at the time of his ac- greet majority of Members sent to the Ile use from Ire- should vote fir the 01114:31011 of the clause.
on to the sovereignty.' Fur that contingency land, that a simile- Bill should he brought in for that Mr. FOX MAULE said, whatever unpopularity
Mr. J. R. 0. GORE then moved that the petition cession mi
respeetieg the Chester and Hoi)head Railway presented your Lordships and toe other House of ' Parae- ' country, he Without delay prepared A 11.11, which he was might attacu to the opinion, he declared it to he
me the 7th of the present month, should be referred to merit thought it proper :to make a provision now ready to lay on the tehte a the house—(Hear, his, that the punishment of death could not with
a Select Committee. for the Government of the col,try until the 1 hear)—and of which be had tills evening given notice safety be altogether eloili•hed. 'He thought that
Mr. 0. GORE said, as the Chancellor of the Ex Sovereign her-elf should arrive to feitii the duties and 1 that he proposed it should Li read it fi,st time to- ,-..0 • far from its abolition in cases of rape,
chequer had alluded to his 'l4"tr''t the petition, he Prer°gati "s which s° dev"ked oPen him. Teat is • morrow. The principles of the Ent helot the same, lito ttn-ling to the diminution of the (Wane, it would.
be aged leave to assure the Right Hottowable i not the only eahtuigticy, my Lords, which IS now to could see no diffieuhy in their p is.,:i,g, that Biel on the contrary, tend to its increase.. He thought the
Gentleman that he bed looked to the signatures be guarded al; mist. Au event may occur which in the present Session, provided the House would as- Prerogative of the Crown, which had never in may age
to the petition ai:h more than usual care. for a hue series of }ears may leave the come- sent to the et &relit eleu,es of the pres,•lit. In that been questioned. was the best safeguard that the public
He erased a vast portion of the petition whicie was ore- try iii this stwe that the heir to the Ttirone ease it zooid be read pro Anna t,:-morrow, and a second feeling- would not he outraged by the unnecessary in-
ginaily presented to Lint ; there was still one passuege, relay be nie infant ot tetieler ye.ers, aud incapable of Ills- time in 3 few dass ; committed in the course of the en- fliction of this punishment.
not a matter of fact, which a •tild have lioen oeiter
chargn ig the elutir-sand ...rfne,axiiirseatefi.::gattiilligeeirni:yht.sli
utit:.lln
pre- suitia w 0 eek, and e B his might. be reada Ili Mr. B .rd time C. ULL ER san9ielcitrl,te,uirate.a.dl
„an-gtihimee,ntithia,::taittlts,t
omitted. But with regard to the Nil ointi nent of Coin- ragaievesote Sovereign.
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centheced, I.a I not conic to the knowledge of the
your tog..thrr. fled Acta to the ous., of 'atoll.. if. there- tha punishment tit was its irrevoceble nature, and
mese-loners, there was one circutustalice which, he was Lred.
tore, there was any delay it would he on the part of the the more iof ‘rination iv
I;e :r"ships do no coot, neplate—( Loud cries of " Hear,
)—and if the prayers of a notion tee heard, it will (lot, rionent, and not on the part of liimielt. He had greater would be-the popular horror at it. He thought
Right Hon. G?ntlernan. 'Caere was a tneetine held ntt cateure—(Moeb cl"'eli") The nation hopes, my also t oised a Scotch Bill to he prepared, and it was there was no crime oft elect] they should more hesitate
at the house of a Noble Lord in that town. at Lords, t he prelentted, ready to be lirid on the table of the House : hut in con- to tifbet this irrevocableopunisautent than that of raps,.
which the lion. Member for Anal sea was pr, sent. cirieh,yourtitat ti
the
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seqiietice of a euggesoon from the Utider Secretary of There was no crime more difficult of proot, and a
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At that meet ng it was agreed mime that a Commission e
rr ye at a in. j ruts .—( Covers.) But it is tie, e,„.y S ate, that it would be advisable to lay it before the crime on tilde') it wee so difficult to obtainsatisfictort,
&mold be asked for. Tie illy,. 11,inher at once agreed,
for your . Lordst.ips .v•ttialt to titht is Pleenknee Lord Advocate helm e its introduction, he could not evidence—the principal witness being recess erilv the
aid mentioned the name of Ceptein Be chi, when almost to guard agam,t the po,si hility of that event
brine that in immediately. it, however, it should he one most interested. —( Hear.) The minds of Juries
every one present ob.j.:et:d, en i set 1, `• No; C motel tyLieu mielic liappro at any term within a bung found there were difficultrt sin the Scotch law, with were, moreover, liable to be prejudiepd at the
Beechy has :,hear!), reperteo, 4411141 could cot net int-
se'r'e of . flair:, tluring which the Hair to the Terone obeli Eeglish lawyers were not newt tinted, and which ',tire recital of the circumstances of the cane. The
partially." The Gallant G ner :I at tt o• held of the
would be in a trate of hammy. Your Lerdsleps have operated as an oestat-le to tie introducton of the Bili
henious cases, which had been referred to,. -
that cireunestaree. ought not to pre- eisely the cases Which produced this tei•ling, wh eh wa.,
tlicre ore to consider . whether it i., not ex this S -ssion,were pre-
0, die nei Depar menu i ad Ap, lied to his 11,11. It 71 •tien
g I erti animist tles poe. i,,i y, and ' 'lit the Preferess of , the Eier'isle and Irish Bills caleuLted, and which lie feared did operate, to c ndemn
io ki.o.v it by the petition was leite•tried to r• floe. fe-he'it t"
upon the officers nwler his department, when it wee at t., WO'
(Me. O. Gr) begged to edd lea e‘en , i' ' 'T: "tr i';''''s hy which, iii nut au Th , Hon- antl L"turnetl Attorriev-General bad said there chin)' innocent. nun to an a:m.11,1,1,m.. death, IL
once disclaim el, ie
rnrt A pit to wood b•: (.1, fci,ed w,s some Oli•etiOn to the Bill before the House be- •theitatht there was no twin.° on which they sboul 1 longer
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di,elall
insee to that. of his oacureide Relation. 1. that 1111,n11.1 tie your Lordship eipitiion ot the duty
s' cause it proposed to kite the pitnishinent of certain panto h•ttoe they it.flieted an irrevocoid , putt-hment.
With,ut intenting; any tifeac.., to nay one ot Pm-Molten', and if any d your Lordship, should offences to the discretion of the judge ; but hte would Mr. BERNAL would ask wacther the reselt of the
of the Coned i ~.0 •ei 3, he weintet say t bat think it expedient now to es. 'to, t ~, pr0v,,,0,,, the let to ask in what cases of-felony now punishable with crime was nut as irrevocable as the punishment eoutel he,
they hal been ilnProPPrlY appointed ; one of them bail qu'sti"" then will be—First. 11`. about the important anything less than death under the, existing law, that end, therefore, whether the irifhetion of the punishment
a nays reported he favour of the Holyhead 11 rooter. fleet of exert ising the royal 1 oaers, (Ili ,itig the intrincy discretion epis not left with her Majesty's Judges ? of death on the criminal could he a reptoach to his un-
while Professor B erlow lied nines been in tin filo nt of the Sovereign, %hall he coefided," and whether (Heat, hear.) He trusted the House would still sane.. fortunate vietim ?—( Hear, beer.) •
Meted Bridge, and ot course report, el in 1,5,0 r td tom there shad ha any provision nettle as to the meow in then that principle, and leave in the hands of the Mr. EWART was surprised to bear the Hon.
so rte. H • did not thick that die gi•uttem- u ,elected which that iiiievidual shall exureise these tenctions. It Judges the pus, er to award punishment .according to .Under-Secretary for the Home D•!putrtment. say thee
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w re_ impartial, and he Pledged tatniscli be wite fully pre- is a nee ttome in submitting a eneuesure for this pure the circumstances of the case. Then as to consulting e would retain the punishment of death to he suspended
para to prove every a:legation coot tioett to the petition. Fos 'to your Lor..ships'coasideratiln, to flied ilia:. trotter with the Judges, He gave notice before E.:ester of his over a criminal, in order that it might be enforced or
The real question was, whether they should refer to a eacurnstanet's vet), aueiier the opinion of Parliament intention to move for leave to hriuo in the B•II, and it not at the pleasure of the Crown. This was an oh-
Select Cemmittee those decisions which had already was declared in ao Act passed in the year 1830 1 say the Noble Lord considered the opinion; of the Judges “Aete nrerog-itive, tendine to pr„mete tne „ne„mi„t,.
been mime to by the Commissioners appointed to
it is a great eatisfaetioa to nie, hee„u„ that Act passed necessary ii relation to the Bill, he ought to have of punishment, and which he should rejoice to see
iuvestiaa e the subject, anti who had been so under circumstenees which entitled it pre eminently to made himself acqu tinted with their opinions.(Hear, ~bobsled. He was also surprised to hear Hon. i‘leal-
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et:pointed in coast quetice of an address by that the coneideration of this House, and hot only re- hear.) He (Mr. Kelly) hail not thought it ben use such phrases as "such and such
,a criminal de-
House 'Ells he considered exceedingiy wideeirablei, ceived the sanetion of both Houses, but hcaanee the would he right to ask the Judges to make served de ate:' That was ton the question, but wile-
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• ated a course which the House ought not to accede to,
law of the [tad, but was introduced by a Noble and any official statement of their opinions, because, timer that punishment was efficacious for the pretention
except upon good (;rounds. He could allow her the
Learned Friend, a inernher of the then A•linitestration, advantage might be taken of their declarations on the of crime and the safety
of society.—(He•tr, hear.) It
irritaticie of disappointed parties, but lie could not out it wade but hide orogress before that Administration Circuit by counsel and prisoners ; but this he would was•not from any unjustifiable sympathy with the off..n.
wish the Hon. Gentleman had still furl her
chawted, but it contained provisions so much ap- venture, to say, that if the Bill should pass through der, but front a beliet in the, inefficecy of the punishment
altered the petition before. he hid preseuted it, us ti
p ov.'d of by Parliament, that it was take n the Legislature, the Judges of the land, as a body, they sought to abolish. He could not but think that all
contained the must sve• ping allegatioes against such up by the Government which followed, mid became lee would he found to be among the last of her Majesty% the arguments of Hon. Gentlemen tended to the total
ensue.
by the unanimous approbalinn of all parties in Parlia- subjects to complain of it._(uear, hear.) He coil- abolition of the punishment of eleatle, a cunsummaticei
men its Sir F. Smith. Professor Barlow, Adm•ral
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said,
ilsiesdh:l,:a_oluee;:rainnytit.o,
e.,talf,:rii.,:dpl..tett.l.l,l,f,t:iel),,t)
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whether
rtestoltis
jia.t::::hee, e,cfioretifh,r,
rtir,",:mue.irsa,gri,,l,ol.l,,ll..l;
Gordon, and Ceptein B •ecley. This was but e poem mew, I said it was a great satisfaction to me to find that dared it to be his duly, and a duty from which he %could which he devoutly hoped would speedily
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preeedeut, te cauee it , neble• Ille to recall te yaur Lord• not shrink, to press the Bill forward, vrithout one mo. alto 1e,.• asla uLE ,epleincel he had simplvsaid that the
return ter the abl,., and he believe d, impartial ri low.
measure on the two rut Bets 1 hate referred to, and P
hip's recoltection the provisions introduced into that menus delay, and to exert evety ineaas in le:s power to practice had lately been certain eases tea to enforce the
It the Gov, nuncio were charged with having acted wit I. '
punishment in cases of peculiar
partielay in the vit intineiii of those Coniebisseniers,
therefore supers de, in a great meager,. the necessity of
_( Hear, bear.)
traveileig heck to an au earli, r period of our losiory, it better not to deprive themselves altoget her of the
lie shoula he most onslous that every i. quirt' should be
Lord J. RUSSELL did not thiek the Hon. Ger- power of inflicting that
ass it through the Live Houses of P mrli.ment.—
enede into them conduct. But the Committee moved
ter would only- hue the effect of ties:wig ate undeeerved
Bel, etated his Opinion and the
end to the elescuseions of former Parliamehts. Tee demon ought to complain of the course which the Go- atrocity.
vernment had taken, because he hid, oil the motrot.
3: ur on vie Commissi,niers, and therefore ne shoonf Act . of 1830 wits pa sell ott the oeue,sion of
oppose it. tee late M - jesty, her present Al: jcste beteg i heta tit for leave to brie gin the
Mr. OR \IS BY GORE expl duvet that the prtitioo teedte• yealf, : CI 111...olties that he tnou It would • •
years that I:. steam! have been jut- ill--- .:, occur to tic p.is•ilL!
Tic greet difficulty in aiholishing
.. capital pane-hue nts in all that. if the punishment of dei.th tkere if li eta (I (9)ungliu%
po,sibt, for tier, it the wont, hat d‘'soended to tier, of the Blldi s Session. H • lied vette' flu it he felt rape. an I murder iv: re • quaily ntrocinue. HO 1 111 ' 1 .
a Lich he heel si4ne,i was one prescit'eti to lit, .ot lon
tor her per, main) to eave adeniersteeed its duties.
cases, and diet diffie ult y bail not I. eis (I,mitii-li& n both eiisre, it worth! k
floes.% a; Le teeter sig.icd a peittioli to the House ui
provbaoas of that act were, that iii toot event the
Commons.
11,,ustrious Mather ol la•r Aliejesty should have the guar- but increased by the do,•urnents ilea had been Lehi fee evil° com Lifted a rime to cone I itat name rr tor the eak
deanship ot the person of the. Queen, and ex,.rcise toe the table that day of the number of et an nal offenders. of the chance of escaping 1 ' i
punishment :woe elect.
duties of, and act as Regeot fur, her i INI i .....i.,,,esty He thOU,tilt they ought to wait till next year, by which After a few words from Mr. TURNER 'ln support
witil she should attain the age of 18 years, time they would have had more experience of the Bil; of the clauseH ' , the House divided; and the uurnber
' under certain restriction. This Act eoetenipiatut passed ite 1837. The Hon. Gentleman nOght not fe, i
the Crown descending on a mimeo and maeina proete that difficulty because he had made up his mind that
• sons for tee Gov,rometat. 'Platt to w Lehi I :lOW Call (wind punishments ought t-,o be altogether atititisheo.
your Lordships' art claim), also provides for the. possible . He should lel great difliculty in arguing- he Cemenittee
event of the Cruete's descending to a tnitior ; and it, upon the var.ons off..nces from want of reform:l,ton, but
duet possible meta there is al possibility, at least. he dal not titan now, any more that on the former oc
of the it Int% surviving its parent. My Lords, ammo to corvend at any way against the p•ieiciple of th.'
that :-urt icing ptre;.t, so ideetitied with that mute- Bill. Ai the Hon. anti Learned
.Geatlemen wished, w-
rests of the intaut Set ereigio, is the perent to whom he (Leal Jehn Russell) thought unaeltiseery, to proceed
you would naturehy leek as the proper person to hate •tit') the 8,11, he would not oppose the Speaker leasing
the cate met guerd.unseip of the isdant, and to het e 'h" C air.
the ae,ministration of the duties of office. It wee Mr. GOU L BURN oh,etveel that he was opposed to
s„ coasolieed in 18S0, and 1 ttust your Lordships wii 'he genera! declaration of the pre 'male, that it. would be
entertain tie., same opiate) tei A .—(tlear, hear.) An- 'desirable the punishment of death ghoul.' he nbelished
*oiler gel` stern reunite's, whether toe Regent SO ap and suggested th it upon going into Committee it would
poilitt d should be tt tiered by otty Parliament/ re- be better, instead of postponing the preamble, to take e
striations, or whether the Ragent bootee he pertifito.„ ,faragrapii by ptraar•ple, and decide upon the severe,.
to exercise all the power, all the duti: s, ,end al: cases taerein mentineed.
tUe futectons of the Sutereigte ? My Lords, a cast, Atter a few observet ons from Mr. EWART and Si:
itiav,' utaloubtedly, Occur, in which Partial:lCM WO) C• (iREY,
think it necess,ity, for some tempor try itt,s. tier, or:aunt The House went bite C ownittee on the BM ; nail it
was.arranged that the preamble shoui ibe take p in.-.
teinio.rary illeess ot the Sovcreig .. to p. ovi .se the menus
..t &It-ie.:at:4 the Rojo' auttioroy, "Ind yet the great oh- grant] liy paregreph.
Vet may , e to pr. serve the no)ill ilUttiority tin
_trifle' the parieraele. aholishhie 'he peni,ll.l en. , f
t i the Sie eivlgn wheii Le rney recur:. Such was tile ile eh for setting fire to her M j sty. Alps. be ng pet
°eject el die Bill to %Inch I have before eelvi reed, and from the Chair,
which pas.ed in the fiat year of her Majesty's reign.
1..,r41 .1
.RUSSELL moved it eotn.ss.ion of the pap..
That Bill did not appolut a R gal—it a1,,,,,,mea Loris graph, thins. ng that setting fi, cto ship- was little
short of treason, and omelet to h.• punioeed obi] death.
Ja-tie. s, and the oni..et of the 17.11 was to do .:s Mile ae
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON cots erred with ti o
;get. be, out to present e tnitigs in that state roan
Noble Lord in thinking that setting tie, to ships must
it'lli,i Soveitign Ott coming into this coutoty to assume
the reics of Government might lid pubete affeirs in he considered in the nature of waging war against the
he same state, as nearly as possible, as they had Queen, and therefore it was treason.
been left by the preeteeding S.everelgte. Bet, my Mr. Sfrge.int TALFOURD supported the reten-
Lords when your Lordships are making protisiun, the lion of the paragraph.
obect , f which must be to provide for the govern- Sir R. INGLIS had strong objections to the retee-
ment of the country for a long series of ye are, tendon of the paragraph, but he hoped that his Learned
your Lordships will be of opinion thet it is not prudent, Friend would no d the House upon it.
that it is n•tt safe, and that it is not consistent with the me. EWA RT supported tie retention of the clew-
principles of the Censti Mr• KELLY defended the retention of the el lust..
tution that the sovereign power
He thought the 8.11 would be unworthy of the sup
51:00 11 be lettered in the betide of the Regent.
—(11, ar, hear, hear, front Lord Lindhurst rend port ot the House and the country if it retained capiad
ot tar Noble Lords.) Tile poser and `preroga• punishments with regard to property in ships. He was
lives ot the Crown are given to the Crown i o for abolishing the puniehmenz. of death in, alt cases ex
r e the oleoce of the difiereta parts of the Coo-
l' -` •rve b eept wherethe ir f' h Sovereign
1.. e 0. tee ' fI or any o ter sub-
s
itudon of the country, they ar;; given to the Crown sects trete coneerned.
him order to - picstr,e the power of the Crown Mr. FOX MAU L E wou'd simply ask the lion.
in that state in wiliett it is most benefiteial to the and Learned Aitioher when he proposed the repel of
public it should be preserved. Teel are not, the puni,dutient of death tear vetting fire to any of her
1 lirrett)re. ;,loot 10 the C. a‘, n for any other Majesty's Milps, whether he had considered that in all
purpose tiolo.4mg ofer,i,ed, and as
occasion may to_ these vessels there were large magazines of powder.
geir,„ of adding to or streagtlietang the pester ot the and, therefore, the setting fire to time would be likely
ta etelenger the lives of hundredsl her NI ; I
o: ..eates•y's sub-
Crovrn, or (b.: dolt; with tr.s telfore el the State, ile such .
wanner (IS it IS IIR: duty iii the Cioatt iie epithet; to the )ects,?
AG 110 NBY WAS COOsineeci if the Committee Glinsf i' ul ton. to 'it" e.se or deal wit le them. Tnev are ma 4 e'4 r.
rejected the douse in the preamble, they would create
Loge, to
.0 or c,m,tjtut:oo ot thecomery thought neees-
great disappoito meet in. the thiptie of timer, elm were
a.„.) ; and it they t.,Tka F' kft fu Lie caeicieed in the
person of the eove reign eitlitio Ott the torot„,, io: It reaper 0 die repeal ot the punt.slentut of deeds in al;
hie ow it right, anti he the pieliil tide of the pet we r a SO+ - eases except murder.
Mr, .
ti11.(../TH E 11TO N copsitfereti that capital pit-
„i4) ct,t. ,j,,ifs Low much mere be eersary „must
rudiments could only be defewled on the ;;round of ex-
th, y oe when tile PO#V!tr tII the S evereign are exercised
net itv 010. In Ilia o'o right, but by! a person with the podia 'ley, and that such being the c ,se the I-loose opght
diminished pavii4lo Pf II ant howdy of a Itegent.—( Hear.) not tp teghlite iti their fits our. Ile cruder-1(1rd that tee-
After some further onee,,,aeiwio true ~,,,it, unti mod pufarlanent did not prevent crime, and therefore
' that it motor rot to be sanetiorool,
Leal lied Lot (i moved that the Bill be reed,l first tiow,
Mr. KELLY sail that after is Bill passed, if ant.
a leidi wile ageeed to nem. cult.
• person f h .u.(l make any attemot to set fire to any of
,r,,,. olli tau diet ordered to be lead a second time iq . , •
her . alesty a elims, and that eat: mot should be titlifilded
,
on NI• tidaS' nclit' with loss of tile the party inaltioe' it would he liable to
. he itidictrel for murder. ,
Lord 110 ii N BUSSEI4, said no douljt the offence
would be murder it any one lust their li3e, but tit ques-
don then under discussion was the attempt. Ile rose,
ho.vever, to show by returns that the law Ives now fitilv
a irr.ed ttnt by Illg.. Juries evett ill the ofiee of wilful fire-
raiiiiig wnere life ie placed in j opaidy. Tiiere was no
ditpositioo to let parties escape where off noes were of
-1 grave character, aud he did opt !Inuit there would be
.any indisposition to convict for the crime of setting fi.c
to her M -jesty'e ships.
Mr. I tpi. 411. P deeitletl!y 014jected to the eattlu-
sion of the eleuee from the preamble
me. C. pui,LE4 had beta almost cony' dh '
- • PPe )
the argument of the Under Secretary for the Home
Department. Nothing could b•• so diabilicel as ate at-
tempt to set fire to a shi-
pin which wholesale murder
might be t Wetted ; and *out(' th•.y not puoish such ate
ette rapt with deivile because toe cc:both:al ottempt was
ltd.. LICCi:sSIO y Tue tyti vvel (Ino a hipti tiq.rived ow
Legislature of all attempts to Amend it, and the only
fleet of it was to oblige many who were in favour ot
the nine tenths of the 13.11 to vote against it, because
they could not agree to 414
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. The
Hotter di% idedt when there appeered-e.,.
For the motion . . .„
Against it
Majority tor hie etau,e —lo
~
()a our return itl the cutlery we Itmeof
Lord JOHN RUSSELL Objecting to the retention
of the euelee Of rape in the clans!. He thought a
clause might lee drawn up which would distinguish
aggravated c uses and those of anoteer character.
ST STEPHEN LUSHINGTON was in favour
ot the tete oiler') ot the clause. He iptreated hie Noble
Friend, as he valved the safety of the lower order of fe-
males, who were compelled to go at unreasonable hours
over lonely roads and unfrequented places, to withdraw
hid oppo&tioo to the (these, al d g ye the publ c protec-
tion hy a puttee went which v9117(.1 be found Co be per-
manent in its operation.
6 r CHARLES GREY suppeeted the clause.
Nr, ~seentit JACKSON sad the gtoat o‘bjeci of
punishment wee the pre Notion of crime, e
, and tic wits
quite persuaded that as the law at present stood, it bad
the directly contrary e fleet. Intl e present stete elders
low the eetip• peels "tiro wets eff *eel to the crime Or
rape as murder. le Ireland el-: rges Of that sort were
e tomtit ly ftevent, and for do- mere purpose of forcil
% mitrriage were the halter foUti,, a merit" neck. He hag
known ninny cases in iN 11!ell if trial had actually been
suspetitled ti r time purpose of I avimi the marriage cele-
brated, and then a verdict of acquittal pronounced.—
(11•" art hear.) He was qui e persuaded) that on ea-
ti aoi dia icy degr: 6 of pueis Metl't *maid nevet act as '4
prevelitive of punishment, and on these grounds to
should vote for the retetoi, n of the cause.
the - clause AIN T. B. 1101300 heapedpositiOn. h tyO
Pe 411e.tyel je Nina; without 0 . tieing in latent(
of the total uhelition of the punishment of el, rah, h •
etipuld toto tut deo oletPie Because in et cosos where th?
prOof a the come was aittetileridifEiult, it would L;;-;

(LEFT SITTING.)

IIoUSE OF LORDS.

•The LORD CHANCELLOR took his se, t on the Wool-
sack Five 4, 'Clock.

• crc--

Lord KENYON presented petitions from Notting-
ham ant other p:tiecs .against the gra%t to the CoHuge
of M lynooth.
The E..rl of HADDINGTON presented petitions
from several plaCeli in Seorithd in hoourrit Lord Ab, r-
deep's Seottb Benefit Ns. B.ii, which he rilrettLd had
Isten withdrawn.

Fs:. the paragraph 5O
For the ameniinhoit.. .
Msjority —2s
The clause was till n agreed to,
Oa our return Mr. KELLY stated Le should bring
tip the report m.0./worn to morrow, anti take the h,alo
reading on tit d y week.
Lord JOHN it USSELL intimated that he should
again ditote this anise on both occasions if necessary.
Sir R. INGLIS s tai he should certainly take every
,pportu tit v tat opposing ssveral elatisesot the Biil.
111 r. E n. hexed t hst every Hon. M tuber who
sad voted had done so on principle. and had not but
ictiiatcd be any improper desire for popuhsritys dud hi
rasted that it necesssry they would rep-at their vet.
or m untsiniog re the principle atilt. Bill.
Mr. M AUL E said he thought it right to stilt,
here Were other causes in the Bill to which lo• Has as
nuch opposes as that o.i which they inel just dititt,to
tVoether by accident or di sett-the Bill was !tamed is
such a mssner iii trail to Ino capable of am minuets,
It was necessary to ogre, or ilisigree to the whole. He
toped the pr-eetleot sunlit Lot he followed in any o• het
8.11, ot putting everythiiig in the preamble and hatii
oily ono ell:acting clause.
Mr. KELLY said the ob,siirva!ions of the Hon.
Under S,cretary were by no means ju-ttfied. If it were
40j,eted to repel capital puoishinent for any crime
uentioned in the BA, there would be nothing to do but
to move the omission of that pat of the p.aamble which
related to it It would be with the gr,at-st sorrow that
no should see the Bid mokldisil or altered in any degre..
Mr. S.irgekint TALFOURD then briefly adkires.ed
ills House with great tit/W.lOlWe MO fervour, to support
of the measure, hut we regret to say was but imp. Meetly
hoard in the gallery. He said as it would not be in
eower to attend the future stages of the Bill, he ist't,ed.
without bringing on a general discussion,
Ckpresi
his
entire concurrence in the priticipl 'a rah the House had
shut far sanctioned At tin early period of his life, and just
a. he rots red on the profession in which he had now
been engaged a great numher of years, he had enter-
tained, and he had not forgotten it, 4 strong feeling
a ith rk spear to the is iliction of the punishment of death,
rind his thought it right to say that long exp. rience as
•0 the operation of the criminal law had strongly con-
firmed that ittipressioness,(hstir, hear.) He felt asto-
nishedwhen Ito 'ward an Hon. Member to-night state
that thsoa were other punistuneuts which he rrgarde •
to b as severe as the punishment o' death, for he would
desire to ask the lion. Gentleman—Do you know
.t list; the punishment of death is?. HaVe)oU .any means
4,f judging what it i- y Death was a great chatige,
change might tie for good, no dsubt ; it tuns a great.
anti a good change to the good raid to the wise and
to those 60 Were pit,Silla to to their s:mety. It
was a eh imp that al way,: excite sympathy
awl to 11(.1411.6u denier conciliate regard from those
who were destined to tread the same unknown path.
Toeroore, wtiel they were told they wi re trpag to
sxcite sympathy in favour of the criminal, lie misty, red
t iat nothing you'd r xeite hall the quip it by occasioned
uy the niii:ution of the [worship, sit of dew upoe a eri-
in teal. was regarded as 000 about to appi ar
:hut ternbe tribunal they ;di looked to, awl inust of
heave k 4 ilut, forgotten for LI e time by trios.
who :oust shortly follow hiss.-Hear, hear.) There -
tre-he said, a Christian Legislature, before it Intl cted
death, should have tin doubt what the iff•et of that
ingictiot. was. They had the portal of the grave partialle
uoveilled, and as far as it eta, unveiled, lie declared he
was astonished that a Qhrisiian could consent
to defeat the object of this tneasure.(ne,tr, hear.) Ile
concurred with the Hon. Member lui W,gatt, that fir,
support given to the hill showed that a Christian spirit
had at length passed into our legi.lation, mid he trust, (I
beiore long they should be able to say, not with Judg,
!tale that Curt-00;14y was part and ',arced of the lax of
. , .
ILagland, but that it was its inmost principle, its vtvii)-
nig soul and spirit, and that this punishment would ht
so separated Icor it, and with results so trUntiphant, that
tney should feel amazed to think of its ii Rattier). He
therefore begged to express his thai.ks to his Hon, ant
Learned Frietid for this groat step in this great course,
and he trusted he would persevere until the cane of hu-
inanity prevailed, and (for this Bill would not entirely do
so) until tic had wiped tat' the stein which now di-graced
Ctiristian legislatures—( !leer, hear.)
Sir C. GREY would suggest to the lion. and
Learned Gentleman the propriety of modifying some ot
the clauses, s. as to be secure of carrying some part
of his OIL He pet it to him whether he thought he
should be able to carry his 13 II in its present state ?
Wall regard 'o the subject of piracy, from which it was
proposed to remove the punishment of de3th, he knew
of eases of piracy in vi bkh such atrocities been
corn uitted, that ho could not but think lint those who
a cue guilty of them ought not to bes suffered to rentals
in this world. The H 011• ;lad Lcarned Member the
alluded to the ease of Abraham Thornton, and put it
to the Hon. Gentleman wit then if, in a cai of rape,
the woman was driven by mental anguish to commit
suicide, he would content himself with punishing the
criminal in the same Imenner only as a common pick-
pocket ?
Mr. S rgeant JACKSON t;onces;ed that his objec-
tion tpvl;ugthe punishment of death for r.ttempt
ut murder had been completely removed by tho Argu-
ment of the Hon. and Learned Gcotleinati, and he,
therefore, should support that Otiose. He was happy
to hcar tiiat the feeling out of doors was ag dust tilt; in-
tl. (Ilion of the punishment of death.,
Mr. W "
AKLEY eutreated the Hon. and Learned
gsrit (email to etniseot to some of the modifi-atitpts pro-
Posed by the Sn'eretary of Stato. 4;4ivyo it mould
be seknow ed4i d t y alt upyi4iiitod with tie 064 r House
' its preseut state it would not pass
that House, He hawed
thought
. that in aggravated cases
of rape the existence 01 pow, r io infl et the purrs ment
ot (Lath ought to be retained. ILe thought the feclitigs
of the Ilquse were taking a wreaiF clistsc:tion eu the
suliisct, T 4, it 4,rge:o, ,
lq 4 very pretty and
poet teal spsech:. had espres,cd great synspatby for the
murderer, bit was none t 9 h 4 Is 4 4.r We itturds,rcil
;1:;•• ani, the murderer, prepar•sll as lie
was al, What must be the case with the ;:oiirstered,
sent, as lie , into the pm htll .keg witlltttE
-
He belie% sal Ilia there
one niumetit's n.septstY"
t4t :40,4 w UntunqUerable as. rsioo to sou•
vet ut cases where capital pumslaucnts rare mama

Too B.shop of EXETER pr seated a petition from
Brist►;l, .-.gainst the Gr:tinniar Schools Bill.
The E:irl of ABERDEEN gave notice that he
would to•wnrn.w peseta a petition tr..in certain hoi6i.!rs
of Spanish Bonds, an fon Ln:t occasion he ►vou.d make
some ol.serv..tiotni 0:, the buhje.t.

The Doke of RICHMOND presehted a petitirn
:ram Liverpool against tiloo causes rn the Beer la.-s
Am: minima Bill which place ht cr.-bops on the same
tooftig with pubk: houses in r.tpect to hours. 'rt.•
eens..d victuallers, he causalered, were rut.)
much i,l-
uaed—(Cries of '• hear")—by the i e petual
ineddloia with their i u n •ss, by M. mbe.s of natal
of Paroutnent introduen g to re...:01at.-
he trknte. y v‘cra under the cot ol ..t !lie
ii,ig,istr.ley of the country, and it was a difficult
thing tor a man at bad character to obtain a lievixe,--
( Hear, hear.) But the beer-shopk,eper was under no
such control, and no matter how bad a man's character
might be he could obtain a be r licence.—( Hear,
near.) The effect of the B II now b. tore the House,
would be to compel the publicans, in -fence, to imitate the example of the beer-sell. rs
and allow their houses ti tic places of resoit .for the
worst of characters—( Hear )—so that there would be
a race of rivalry between the two, to sec which could
the fastest demoralize the people.—( Hear, hear.)
Tue Earl of WICKLOW
tn gave notice that be would,
. ,n-orroiv, move for copies of the instructions sent out
c4orge Arthur, upon Lis appointment as Go-

It was the subj-et ut goncr.ll remark that the DJ'Ke
of Weilingt on was not in his place this evening.
(LEFT SITTING.)

I3IPEItI At- PARI-141 gN

ifiuoNWlEj:i\ioi
bElHuN'toCtibi,,O,(l/1)/iii,,M,,paii))1OliedNdeti,..1,18,iJgliiitusir.tiir,is,1110:,,,,:fLtv,,tiltp,.e4i,,,ti43,bs.oris,bi,oe.p.aniuFcil:1:.1
Mr. ti.p., 1., i wrist expwss his great coticAll that the
antign witictilic should feel it his tioly to Wk.? upon the
,::::Lo.l.aoriciet.u!inztrt.esltolu;l(l meet the displeasure ot In- !Jon.
bur he felt lie could hot depart
from the c.urbu wialett :ais duty called upon h to le t.rk.e.
His Hon. and Learocri rrichd ltdd Whined to the ease
being taken out of the !wilds ut tiro Uovernment ; hu
he begged to assure l.iin that he had utirievtaken
a measure of such importairs 0 only Hypo receiving the
nit:roation. that IL was not the intutitiou of Ili.: (..; ,t ern-
went to oristitiute such a Men:, U, C at present. Li was
tditiieusre:con,Litiecotrutirittrrit:::;s:::hi:i.4::n'e,
abirioau Lb t,, ipnol,tih et,
filivii I 1 at an c aly
been comp. -
lea to his Hon. airdßit.:l:afiriored Vtletld 0 haf/ii itti
Irelandro-
lh
that
dble:
ele,oilitidlttroin,
ritl,,tiagnbtt
ti:ielumivbeerp:osrset.illeti:reonwt leui:ignbar.l.ertes,the day nt which tlay
intro-
ducewlr now
tle un
i er rail:
the Member for WI., and the lion' ta"d L"ed
it was under these- cit:tunitrtst.atlee:rg flg
it the Bill. The delay to whodi his Hoe. iind Lelroed
er;
arr.
the, 1
oc-
casion, Niazbiliciatllit:odts.:4l4,
i(t:ltidrltb.tueisn4e
I.l.)eo:azist. i otnhet.,vd
01;
upon a lamentable (re-
tort take place until the N"W°
tike a
sent, on the second reading of the Bill.,—(titsiltcitritgor:ti.do)t
,pl"Ht-i:liir,:ii:ieji,n:iiinzt.B4i.ii,et,pit:liiiflili,Diat(tit,no.elioitw:ttiigtirithetAelurie:tr,l4,lle4:Batltr,e;,,trliell;7e.t:lti,pii.ni.loricsiellturi3Oeistftsei
iiirliiiicite,
:;13Gi,thiv. i.,.:r,hn,v,rwr.oraeanisti
zat:rititoyo,:teooo
without
Undet-Secretary for the
time witho: a di%ision, the his concurrence in the
Pritt Y 14 sonic par ti cu Ia r cil Ice:ELl:n:l:es :(*)tie.'i:t);;;:b's!el'lßiti'irisil taitse:Cnii!):llfllll:-
tuittoo he should find the Attorno-General- offdriog to
the. House that cows, of observation which, if it noon,
to t''' iii 44Y wail. ought to have been so on the second
re.:.,'ltql:tirt:ig.;-1,1 tirlrlialastrt'' liiii.l.ir".)l7: :144.iit"rlehriio'r6e. out
te
tttentel3r;lYltl44l(l9ll,
was liThlk dealt with, on the part of his Hon. awl
Learned Friend the Attortio-Goreral and the other
1,1e1"="4.3 pf the Go...rnamt.t. If his Hon. and
wits not come when
the Biil should P....s through; iii"eHiruse, th . rrajeciiirr
sol;ilo*iultkilwltpavhemb,:etiikkiTnuictio,:tsti'ali:.:.:l7;st or second reading,
of the House on it.
/3 it us the ..)nyer. 'trot hirl thought proper to defer
•
their opposititn to rh,t Bill till it WO :P 4 .1.44',.e. tvl'i."-th
he ecauseivi'll th. house was bound pgo finn p ,ontaitj;.c
on partieubtr ektves, be !lid fr! it this 'luts' "y preo the
13-it forward on the ut„nii„,, ut the tfouse, oi 4 410
tiioUiti tilereru.e Conclude by owing that the Speaker