The Sun.
London, England, 1847-03-18 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, t AITRSDAY MORNING, MARCH 18, 1847.

STATE OF TRADE.

MANCHESTER, TUESDAY, MARCH 16. There has
been an exceedingly dull and depres-ecl market to-day.
The demand, both tor- goods and yarn, has been ex-
tremely limited, and prices are in many cases a shade
lower than last week. A considerable number of mills
are now entirely stopped, and very few, except those
spinning fine numbers, are working Lull time.
ROCHDALE, MONDAY, MARCH 15.—There is yet no
change for, the better to report in the flannel market ;
the demand for goods continuing limited, and prices
much the same as last Monday. Wool remains firm in
price, but limited in demand.
HALIFAX, SATURDAY, MARCH 13.—1 n every depart-
ment of trade the dullness remains unabated; and our
piece hall, to-day, presented but a gloomy appearance.
Alike in yarn and manufactured goods, the same depres-
sion continues, both as regards price and demand. In
deed, the situation of the spinner and the manufacturer
can scarcely be worse. There is very little doing in any
kind of wool, and the prices continue to drop.
LEEDS, MARCH 16.—Our market of this day does not
present any new feature, and is like that of last week—
without animation.—Manchester Guardian.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE 01 COMMONS. Marchlf.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Twelve o'clock.
SOUTH-EASTERN RAILWAY.
Lord HOTHAM moved, pursuant to notice, that it be an
instruction to the Committee on Group No. 1 on railway
Bills to entertain the petition of Captain James Ryder
Burton (presented the 15th of March) against the South-
Eastern (Mid-Kent and Direct Tunbridge Bill) not-
withstanding the same was not presented three clear
days before the first meeting of the Committee thereon.
He (Lord Hotham) wished to say a few words with
regard to this petition, in order to show that the peti-
tioner was entitled to have his application referred to
the Committee sitting on the South-Eastern and Mid-Kent
lines. The applicant possessed a mansion about 150 yards
from the turnpike-road, between the two towns of Seven-
oaks and Dartford, and in the first instance the railway was
to pass so close to his house that a part of the paddock
was included in the line of deviation. It was how-
ever arranged that the lire should pass to the
west side of the turnpike-road, and consequently Cap-
tain Burton did not think it necessary to enter any opp-
sition. The Committee was appointed for the 11th of Mardi,
and until a few days before its sitting Captain Burton did
not know that the course of the line was again altered, and
that it would affect his house. He bad not, therefore, time
to present his petition three clear days before the sitting of
the Committee, as reluired, and consequently could not enter
any opposition. Under sueh circumstances, he hoped that
the House would allow it to be an instruction to Group No. 1
to entertain this petition.
After a few words from Mr. GREENE, which did not
reach the gallery, the motion was agreed to.
14 ER E FOR D AND GLOUCESTER RAILWAY.
This Bill was read a second time.
EASTERN AND WEST YORKSHIRE RAILWAY.
Mr. FINCH presented a petition from several persons on
the proposed line against this Bill.
SMALL DEBTS BILL.
An II°N• MEMBER presented a petition against the Small
Debts Bill.

POOR REMOVAL ACT.
Mr. CHRISTOPHER presented a petition from Gates-
head, praying for the repeal of this Act, which stated that
the effect of it was to greatly increase the burdens which
they had to endure from the poor-rates.
INCOME AND ASSESSFD TAXES.
Colonel T. WOOD presented a petition from the collectors
of the income and assessed taxes, stating that the salaries
they received were totally inadequate to the duties which
they had to perform, and praying for an increase of re-
muneration.

YORK AND NEWCASTLE RAILWAY.
The Bill for this line was read a second tinie.
RATING OF TENEMENTS.
On the order of the day being moved for the second reading
of this Bill,

Mr. FERRAND arid that he could not sufficiently express
his astonishment at the conduct of any Member of that
House who interposed his own Bill before the Committee of
the Ten Hours' Factory Bill.
The SPEAKER reminded Mr. Ferrand that the motion
had not yet been put to the House, and that he was out of
order.
Mr. FERRAND explained.
Mr. SPOON Eli presented a petition from Birmingham
and the adjoining parishes, praying that the Bill might not
pass, and if it did pass that they e.iglit be exempted Irons its
operation.
The order of the day having been read,
Mr. P. SCROPE said that he trusted the Hon. Member
would not press his motion for the second reading of his Bill
upon the House, and wished to know whether it was in-
tended to take the Factories Bill this morning? He was satis-
fied that the discussion upon the second reading would oc-
cupy a c insiderable time, for if it were taken he should en-
deavour to obtain the indulgence of the House,while he stated
his reasons for giving his most strenuous opposition. It was
well known that there wasgreatobjection in rural districts to the
building cottages for the accommodation of the poor, and if
this Bill were passed be believed that that disinclination
would be very largely increased. He was quite aware that
there was a great extent of property not assessed for the re-
lief of the poor, and he was of opinion that it was very pro-
perly excused, though that relief amounted, as he be-
lieved, to some hundreds of thousands of pounds—he could
speak of his own knowledge to the amount of more than
100,0001.—he felt assured that it was actually no loss to the
country, while it had proved of great benefit to the persons
concerned. This Bill proposed to make the landlords re•
sponsible for the rates of their tenants, but that would confer
no relief whatever, for the landlords would be sure to take
their own back again in the state of an increased rental. Ile
trusted, therefore, that the Hon. Member would postpone
his Bill.
Mr. WADDINGTON suggested that the Bill might be
read a second time, and go into Committee pro forma.
Mr. BROTHERTON wished to see it postponed till after
Easter.
Mr. WADDINGTON would have no objection to postpone
the Bill, bat he had done so last year, and then had never
obtained an opportunity of bringing it forward before the end
of the session.
Sir G. GREY said that if the Hon. Member wished the
Bill to be read a second time pro forina, because he had great
alterations to propose, and intended to bring it forward in
another shape, there could be no objection to that -ctitirse.
But if such was not the case, although lie had not the same
amount of dislike to the Bill as had been expressed by his
Hon. Friend behind him (Mr. P. Scrope), yet the lion.
Member must not expect the House and the Government to
commit themselves to the principle of such an important Bill
as this without a full discussion on the second reading. lie
therefore thought that the better plan would be to postpone it.
Colonel T. WOOD said that this was a most important
Bill for the labouring classes, and ought to be taken
to-day. Besides, if this Bill were to be postponed,
there was the Juvenile Offenders Bill, which affected a con-
siderable number of individuals, and he thought therefore
that the best plan would be to proceed to the discussion.
Mr. CRIITS also thought that the better plan would be at
once to proceed with the Bill.
Mr. FERRAND was not at all surprised at what had
fallen from the Hon. Member who had just s down, for he
remembered that he was a strong opponent of the Ten Hours'
Bill, and would therefore adopt any course by which it might
be delayed.
Mr. CRIPPS said that the Hon. Member was quite un-
warranted in the assertion which he had just made.
Mr. FERRAND said that it was by all means advise-
bie to proceed with the Factories Bill, and if the Rating
of Tenements Bill were to be taken, that must be postponed.
There WilL: urgent necessity that the Factory Bill should be
passed, in some way or other, before Easter; for he could
assure the House that unless it was passed, the whole of the
manufacturing districts would be in the most intense anxiety
respecting it. Ile had, besides,
understood, that the Wed-
nesdays were to be given up to the lion. Member for Old-
ham until his Bill was finished.
Colonel VERNER concurred in the request that the Bill
might be postponed.
Mr. CRIPPS said that there was an express order of the
House, that the orders of the day were to be taken as they
sweet on the paper, and important as the Factory Bill was,
and he was not at all disposed to underrate its
importance, the Rating of Tenements Bill was, in his
opini of still greater importance, and affected a larger
number of people. It ought. therefore, to take precedence
both of the Factory Bill and of the Juvenile Offenders Bill
both of which stood after it on the paper.
Sir J. PAKINGTON said that he must continue to. feel it
his duty to oppose the measure. He thought that it would
not he his duty to consent to the postponement of the Bill
which he had introduced upon the subject of the juvenile
offenders. It was of great importance that the subjecti d
should be settled before the ensuing quarter-sessions
e
was not, however, disposed to offer any opposition tothe
further progre-s of the Factories Bill, and be was quite ,
willing to consent to the Juvenile Offenders Bill being-read
a second time, sub silentin, arid any discussion that might be
raised upon the principle of the Bill should take place on the
Bill going into Committee.
Colonel SIBTIIORP thought that
the most advisable
course would be to postpone the consideration of the Fac-
tories Bill until after Easter.
After a few words from Mr. Robert Palmer, Lord J. Man-
ners, Mr. Dennistoun, and Mr. Newdewate-
Sir G. GREY said that he did not 'think it was desirable
that any Bill, upon the principle of which diver-
sityther.evtvhaastaalie
of opinion entertained by lion. Members n
should be read sub slientio as proposed by the Right Hon'
Baronet (Sir J. Pakington). seed a second
Mr. HENLEY objected to the Bill being
time sub silent* as the magistrates of quarter-sessions
of
io,ln would
otuhlde
conceive that the House had adopted the Principle
Bill.
Mr. B. ESCOTT thought that if the Bills were to be
discussed, they ought to be discussed atoncene.tio.lie would
oppose the proposition to read the Bills sob si
b
l unfair that t
Mr. MILES thought that it was nost
opponents of the Factories Bill should morioP oliee, by their rope
P
time of every -
position, the whole of the Wednesday. lie did
not think that even if the Factories Bill werebr,(omingghttohnt,otuhgaht
there would be the smallest chance of its
Committee that day, or even in the present session. There
was a vast quantity of notices on the paper with respect to
that Bill, which would occupy a vast amount of time.
After a few words from Mr. GREENE, the gallery was
cleared for a division.
On our return to the gallery we found that no division had
taken place, but that
Mr. BRIGHT had moved the adjournment of the debate.
Mr. WILLIAMS thought it would be better if the dis-
cu;siiro.
n onbooth Bills were deferred till after Easter.
WARD concurred in that recommendation.
A P. n
conversation then ensued on the question of proceeding
or adjourning,
when strangers Were again ordered to with-
draw, and the House divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment
Against .........Majority 39
ajoritY ........... —4B
JUVENILE OFFENDERS...
Mr. WAKLEY considered that they ought to proceed
ndeudtyfor to a
fortnight. move that
with the Factories Bill without loss of time, and in order that
they might do so at once, he felt it
hispo
the second reading of this Bill be post
Mr. FERRAND seconded the motion.
The House then divided, when there appeared--
For the motion
93
Against it
majority ..................... 64
FACTORIES BILL. .........
Lord JOHN RUSSELL presented a petition from master
spinners and manufacturers in favour of this Bill, signed by
394 firms in Lancashire and Yorkshire, making, in addition
to those signing petitions already presented, 922 distinct
firms. The petitioners stated that ten hours was the dura-
tion of labour in their occupation, and that the reduction of
the hours of labour of children and women in factories would
be attended with the best results. They were of opinion,
however, that the hours of work in factories could only be
reduced by a legislative enactment like the Ten Hours' Bill.
Mr. BRIGHT wished to ask the Noble Lord if those who
had signed the petition were millowners, using
and working them by fteam, or merely Persons machines,
working by
hand in their own houses?
Lord J. RUSSELL replied that the petition had only
been put into his bands that morning, and that he was
not aware whether those who had signed did or did not
work by steam power. They were mill-owners, and there
could, therefore, be little doubt. but that they were owners of
machinery, and worked it by the aid of steam.
Mr.
favour] t DUNCOMB
the Bill.E and Mr. WALLEr presented petitions in
Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from a number of persons
who worked cotton and worsted by water power, and also
were in the habit of working their mills twelve hours' a day,
against the Bill. They stated that the Ten Hours' Bill would
render that power useless for two hours a day less titan
heretofore, by restricting its use to ten hours a day, that this
would be a grievous loss to them, and praying the House not
to pass the measure.
Mr. FIELDEN presented a large number of petitions in
favour of the Bill from various places in the manufacturing
districts, the names of which, from the low tone in which the
lion. Gentleman spoke, we were unable to catch.
On the motion for going into Committee on the Bill,
Mr. DENNISTOUN rose to bring forward the motion of
which he had given notice, that the House should not resolve
itself into a Committee until this day fortnight. He said,
notwithstanding the violent denunciations of the Hon. Gen-
tleman, the Member for lilare-sborough (Ur. Fenno),