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valry; and he considered the system practised in the recruit-
ing department as exceedingly extravagant. lie found there
were 35 superintending officers; and, on the whole, one offi-
cer to about five or six men. The expence of maintaining the
Albany and Chatham Barracks was also, in his opinion, much
too high.
Lord PAIMERS'rON said, it would be found on compari-
son with the numbers of our infantry, that that of our cavalry
was not too high. Most of then) were di*nounted. It would be
improper to make; tnrconsiderable reduction of our cavalry;
ihr this was a species of force not easily augmented on an
emergency. With regard to the recruiting department, it was
to be observed that two regiments had recently gravalrm
India; and the recruiting of "these occasioned an expence not
fairly to be taken as part; of an annual expence. There were
fewer officers in this branch of the service than there were, op,
a comparison of numbers, in the year 1792. Their pay wsts
not additional on account of their services in this department ;
for it belonged to their regimental rank. 'The expellee of Al-
bany and Chatham would not be thought high, when the cir-
cumstance of .their being rendered available in hospitals was
taken into consideration.

Mr. HUME objected also to the expence of the Riding Esta-
blishments, which he thought must be now unnecessary, and to
the allowances made to the Guards for dinners. Upon both
these points, it was his intention to divide the house on the,
bringing up of the Report of the C,onunittee.
Lord PALMERSTON said, the question relatiVe to this
allowance to the Guards had been fully gone into last year and
disposed of. He could, however, assure the Hon. Member
that the dinners did not cost 21. 10s. a head like those of that
evening at another place.—(A laugh.)—The Riding Esta-
blishments were indispensably necessary, as the Commanding.
Oficers could not be expected to attend to this part of the mi-
litary duty.
Captain O'GRADY did not consider the Riding Establish-
ments to be now necessary. The retaining them was paying an
indifferent compliment to the cavalry. It implied that they
were like dancing dogs which could be taught, but could not
teach each other.--(A laugh.)
Mr. BERNAL said, he saw no necessity for makin these
Establishments perinanent, whatever services they-might have
tendered in the first instance. _ _

Lord PALMERSTON replied, that rough riders could not
be dispensed with, otherwise the uniformity of riding would be
lost. If, however, at any future time they could possibly be
reduced, they would be partially discontinued.
The Vote was then agreeed to, as was the next, for 719,7101.
for the Irish Land Forces.

On the Vote for 93,3031. for British Staff and Hospital Ser-
vice,
Mr. HUME observed, that he thought the amount of the
Staff Allowance was very disproportioned, and that on the
coming up of the Report he should divide the House on this
and several other votes.

The vote was then agreed to.
The following votes were then agreed to, after a' few 013
servations from Mr. Hume and Lord Palmerston, viz. :-
18,5651. for the Irish service, similar to the last ; and 114,3371.
for allowances to officers of the public departments.
On the vote for 9,1071, for the 'lrish service, similar to the last,
Mr. HUME inquired what was the duty perforated, which
required two Establishments.
Mr. 001.11,11M1N said, the last Establishment was reduc-
ing as fast as possible. A great reduction had taken place this
year, and a greater would be effected in the course of next.
The duties consisted of a correspondence with the Oovern-
meat ; and the giving of orders in the first Instance, until de-
terminate orders could be received from -London.

Mr. HUME said, he not only thought this office useless,
but he thought we could ditrpense with a Secretary and a Lord
Lieutenant of Ireland.—(A should, on the 27th
of, next mcinth, bring forward a motion, to this effect ; and he
had no doubt he should be able to make out his case.—(A
laugh.)
The following Voteg were then agreed to, viz.:-
13,1301. for Surgical Materials and Medicines, and 4,8351.
for the same in Ireland.

On the Vote for 194,0001. for Volunteers and Yeomanry.
Mr. HUME observed that there was no necessity fur the
Volunteer Force, and he trusted they would be discontinued.—
They were originally intended to act in case of invasion. lie
thought also a paid 'Yeomanry could be dispensed with. He
wished to know from the Noble Lord, whether it was intended
to reduce the amount
Lord PALM E RSTON said there was no intention to reduce
the amount, as it was considered to be barely sufficient. It

was about 31. to 41. per man.
Mr. HUME said that many public spirited men mould be
found to serve in the yeomanry for the honour of the service,
without accepting such a paltry sum.
Sir 'l'. LETHBRIDGE said, he thought there could he but
one opinion as to the meritorious services of the yeomanry.
Mr. F. PA LAI ER said, he well recollected the time when
the Yeomanry served without receiving a farthing. At pre-
sent the establishment was used as an engine for advancing
those whose political opinions were approved of. Their ser-
vice could be but trifling; for he had himself seen the Bedford
Yeomanry reviewed : and, although this was what was called
a crack regiment, the size of the horses was so disproportioned,
that some of the men were on ponies, and others on horses six-
teen hands high. The House could judge of the sort of ser-
vice they coin perform in a charge.
Mr. BENETT (of Wiltshire) said he had long commanded
.he Wiltshire Yeomanry ; and, while he was able to bear tee.
timony to the services they had performed during the preva-
lence of riots in theenanufacturing towns; he could confidently
say, that political opinions had not interfered with advance-
ment one way or the other.
Mr. FREMANTLE said be had bad the command of the
Bedford Yeomanry, and he could speak with confidence to a
denial of the statement of the lion. Member respecting the
disparity of the size of the horses. They were regulated, in
this respect, by the general orders of Government.
Mr. F. PAI,MER could only say thafhe thought the dis-
parity was such as he'had mentioned. As however he was
himself only a private in another regiment at the time, he pro-
bably was not able to form so accurate an opinion on the sub.
ject as the Hon. and Gallant Commander. He had every
reason to believe that, in many instances, horses had been
entered in the Yeomanry Corps to obtain exemption from the
horse duty.
After a few words from Mr. C. WYN N', Mr. heat:, and
Sir Jolter Surma:v.
Lord PALNIERSTON said the question was, not whether
the-Yeomanry should be paid, but whether they should he corn.
pelled to find their own equipments?
The vote was then agreed to.
On the' vote for 19,31141. for the Irish Yeomanry,
Mr. 11U5IE said, that on the coming up of the Report, he
should move for the rejection of this vote. He thought it was
highly dangerous to sanction time keeping up of a large body
of men in arms whose opinions were contrary to those of the
mass of the people. The Bill authorising the keeping Up of
the Irisilt Yeomanry had been read at an unusual time of the
evening of yesterday, and while he was out of the House, or
he should have opposed it. lie should certainly do so on the
question for the third reading of the Bill.
Mr. GOI/LBURN said, he had moved the second reading
of the Bill, because he was at the moment in question called
upon by the Speaker in his turn, to bring on the motion re-
lating to Irish Tithes. lie then observed, that there were few
Irish Members in the House ; and as he wished for a full at.
tendance of theni on the bringing forward of that question, he
had postponed it to a more advanced period of the evening.
To answer the Speaker's call he had therefore moved the se-
cond reading of the Irish Yeomanry Bill, to which he had pre-
viously understood from the Hon. Member for Shrewsbury
(Mr. Bennet) that there was no objection which could not be
taken in a Committee. . Had he known of the objection, he
should not have moved the second reading of the Bill out of
course. When the question respecting the Irish Yeomanry,
should come before 'the House, lie had no doubt he should be
able to shew that every argument in favour of the English Yeo-
manry applied with ten-fold weight to those of Ireland.
Colonel TRENCH said, he was sure the attack of time lion.
Member for Aberdeenon the Irish Yeomanry, would be fairly
and satisfactorily met.
The vote was then agreed to.
697,2371. were then voted for Regimente in the East India
Company's territories; and 19,976/1. for recruiting troops for
the same regiments,
On the vote for 11,11139/. for the Royal Military. College,
Mr. HUME asked how many Cadets had qualified, and how
many received commissions since last year ?
Lord PALMERSTON said all who had passed the usual
examination had received commissions ; of these '25 were ob.
tained by purchase, and to without. He could not at present
tell how many had left the College qualified in other respects.
Mr. F. PALMER objected to the large establishment of
the College.
Sir H. HARDINGE said a similar College had been esta-
blished
Mr. HUAIE said it would be found that the expense of Staff
for the American College was not any thing like 6000/.
Lord PALM.ERSTON said he knew not the Stairexpence
of the American College, but he knew that the number of
Cadets in it was 272, While that in our own was about '290, be-
ing considerably less, according to, the comparative numbers
of the two armies.
The Vote was then agreed to, as were the following, viz.
151,5571, for the pay of-}"higlishGenerals, not Colonels of Re..
giments ; and 1.2631. for Generals in Ireland.
On time Vote for 29,1501. for garrisons,
Mr. HUME contended that many of the charges were too
high, and that the commands of garrisons .were, in general,
sinecures.
Lord PALMERSTON denied that the commands were