The Sun.
London, England, 1841-06-03 00:00:00

lORNING EDITION.

thecomntry were safein their hands. He would
a word on the immediate queStion then before the House.
The Ministers had introduced certain measures for the
pm pose of 'raising the revenue, without adding to,.the
burdens of the people. Now, even though he should
have disapproved as much as he really apprOveJ of the
policy of the Government, he should still think that they
pursurd a perfectly constitutional course in deter-
mining that their measures should be fully diScossed, and
that they should afterwards appeal to the country. He
should therefore give his decided vote against the reso-
lution.

Sir W. JAMES acknowledged that the policy of the
"Ministry had succeeded in the.East—(Hear, hear)—but
he did not give them any credit for that success,- as-it
might be. attributed to chance as much as to merit. •
With regard to the resolution before the House, he felt
that the Right Hon. Baronet the Member for Tamworth
had, on the first night of the debate, completely esta-
blished his position •; and had done so less by his match-
less eloquence than by a single statement of facts. Those
filets clearly showed that the present Ministry had not
the power indispensable to a Government. The Re-
form Bill had been framed liar the purpoFa, of excluding
the Tories from office—it had been called by the Hon.
Member for Dublin a swindle. Now, it had happened,
by the justest retribution, that those who had hoped
to profit by the Reform Bill had been signally disap-
pointed ; and that under its operation the party opposed
to them had gradually increased in power. The _House
of Comnions had, no doubt, supported the Ministry last year
in the vote of confidence ; but that vote was mill and void
if the House did not subsequently give them its approval.
But so fir was that from being the case, that the Ministry
had been unable to carry any. measure through Parlia-
ment in which the Conservative party were opposed to
them. He would allude briefly to the precedent of Mr.
Pitt, which differed in many points most distinctly from
the present case, as had been most conclusively shown by
the Right 1I( n. Baronet in his opening speech. The
House of Commons, by passing the India Bill, in the case
of Mr. Pitt, to a. certain extent had assumed executive
power ; that was not the case in the present instance ; the
opposition to M r. Pitt was a personal opposition ; there was
nothing personal to the Ministers in the preSent opposi-
tion, and Mr. Pitt did not appeal to the country with any
clap-trap measure. He did not raise the clap-trap cry- of
" Cheap Bread," or " Down with the Borouglnongers."
He appealed to the country to give him a fair trial, and
they did so. With regard to the inconvenience of such a
motion he would ask,ought any Administration to hold office
when they had been so repeatedly beaten in the House of
Commons. In this country there were no questions on which
the mob were more easily excited than on questions of the
franchise. The turbulence excited by the Reform Bill
had scarcely yet subsided, and the Noble Lord had
stated he would not sanction a repetition of any appeal
to popular fears and popular wishes; yet what were these
measures but an appeal to popular fears and popular
wishes? The Noble Lord would not stir up the caul-
dron himself ; but he would put plenty of hot coals
under, and when the cauldron began to bubble he would
tell the Conservative party to put in their fingers and
pull out the hot coals, in hopes that they would 'burn
them—(Cheers)—and the Conservatives would do so—
(Cheers from the Ministerial benches)—without feat of
burning their lingers, for the sake of their country,—
With the general principles professed by Lord llelbourae,
with regard to the Corn-laws only two years ago, it was
surprising to see the present conduct of Ministers. Their
conduct had lost them the confidence of the House, and
they had not the confidence of the country. His party
was the one which appealed to the country on the ground'
of their consistent opposition to. every democratic en-
croachment. The AV higs must disappear, and the con-
test must conic between the advocates 'of religiotr
and the Monarchy and those of the democracy ; and het
hoped it would end in the signal victoryof the friendsof
religion and monarchy ; the sooner that contest came the,
better.—(Cheers.) Had the Ministers the confidence of
the Church, of the army, •of the navy, of the -law,
of the gentry, of the commercial interest, of the
colonial interest ? Look at Canada, where
.a rebellion
had been raised by the conduct of„ .the Government.
and the advice given to the Canadian:: by a (Gentleman, a,
Member of that Ifen,e. however they might have the.
confidence of flu)se manufacturers who hoped to benefit
by a repeal of the Corn-laws, he did net believe they
had the eenfidenec of the Working men; and their at-
tempt.te rouse the energies of the country by repre-
senting the aristi cracy as tyrants would not sueeeed.—
(Cheers.) They knew that the cry of cheap broad meant:
low wages.
Mr. WALLACE had never heard such a rar;Airi
speech as that which the Noble Lord had deliv-a64, aij
which the Hon. Member had praised. Wilat dichhe
me art by attributing the Arms Bill and the Irish Coer-
cion Bill to the present Government? Those Bills had
been brought forward by the 'Noble Lord the Member-
for North` Lancashire.- By whom had the Com-
chin Bill been proposed? Why, by the Noble Lord
the Member for North Lancashire.

Lord STANLEY.—No, no. By Lord Althorp..--
(Cheers from the Tones.)
Mr. WALLACE—At all events the Noble Lord WaS
the concoeter and the supporter of it. But by whein had.
...i.
the ArMs Bill been proposed ?—(Cheers.) ..
Lord STANLEY.—By Lord John 411 P. ell.—(0 ieers
ira'.4l. He perfretly recol-
lected and laughter from the Opposition.) -- - .
Mr. WALLACE- begged pt
the introduetion of th.l :dill into the House by the
Noble Lord the Meral7,tr tOr. North Laneashire ; and he
IdA, retnembred :bat- Noble Lord proposing one of •the
most ohnox:oas lola disgraceful provisions •in it, that
every man simwa have his name engraved on the arms
he might laaci, in his possegsion.—(ClTeer.) Then allu-
sion had been made to 'the mention of the .Queen's
mme i and .it had been stated it . had been
1 abased, Now the Queen's name hail been abused.
1 but by Whom ?--by Gentlemen en the. other side, at Can-
tertiary and elsewhere. (Loud Ministerial cheers.)
When her Majesty had expressed her determination to
see -,qua; justiee ;lone to all her subjects in Ireland, the
1 4041. 4:14 tuwle use of the Queen's name, with achnira-
dim at hot• noble conduct.—(Loud cheers.) But that
uaine had been mentioned with every possible epithet of
abuse by. Gentlemen on the other side.—(" No, no," from
the. Opposition.) Hon, Gentlemen mig•ht say - No, no,"
but he Would say " Yes, yes"----(Cheers)— and us a proof
that he W*s tight in saying " Yes, yes." be would refer
thorn to Canterhury.—(Loud cheer~.) The Hon. Gen-
tleman had designated the Reform Bill as a swindle. .
Sir WALTIi.,44 JAMES--. 1 did not designates, the
Reform Ilill as a SiVill(11-1 stated it was the !it',7l. and
.1--€Ori:cl Member file Dublin who had so deli 'rated it.
W
Mr. ALLACE understorid, then, that the lion.
CieuVlowan had not called the Reform, Bill a swindle, _
and shhuld not pursue that point norther, With regard
to what the Win. Gentleman had said respecting the
Nobto ..,:ifit's former opinions on the stilijoet of agitation,
V„0 (Mr. Wallace) htul always. regretted that the Noble
Lord should httvo published such opinions ; but, at all
events, NI :noble Lord was pursuing the right course
no% and while he did so he should have his (Mr. Wal-
lace's) support. Thoßight lion. Baronet the Member
for Tanworth, as too, e,xense for not stating what mea-
sures he would propose, had alluded to the diffieulties in
which lyt izi-aa placed, and asked•for time for deliberation.
WIA,.•• he had had .three years for deliberation' for
iittrlng the whole .of that. time he had been
anxiously seek* the overthrow of • the 'Government;
and he (Ala, W411110e) should not, before these measure*
had hcAok kKroposed, have been very sorry if he had sue-
WACA, but now that they were proposing Measures
Which were really for the benetit.of the country, he felt
bound to give them his support, and should be very sorry
to see the Right lion. Baronet succeed against them. He
would, that it:spare into their sincerity.—(Hear, hear.)
Thp wieustires themselves were suln:tantially. good, and
in' would give his vote for those measures. He firmly
believed that the agrieulturial as well as the manufacturing
class would be benefited by them. They knew very well
that the wages they received would buy a much larger
quantity 0S wheat were that NI beat cheaper, and
Drat sot long as the landlords could ineintain their
monopoly, they would never have cheap bread. The
mode of introducing corn at a fix duty of Bs. was a
greater proteilion
expect n '% I
i•-•,,N ,J.t,t *respect to the alteration in the postage,
than the agriculturists bad a right to
thew. had been manifested in that debate a degree of
heartlessness and a want of care for the working classes
of this country, which he had not expected to see in
that House.-...(Bear, bear.) Not one word had been
said of the advantages conferred upon those persons. if
the ltigt“ Hon. Baronet had -inquired, he w''uld• have
I co.toul that though there had been it failure in a --•certain
I class ~if eorrespondence which was expected to -pass
through the Post-office, there had been a great increase_
in that class which it was chiefly
An What way txpeeted to pass through the fiit
„in It
intended to benefit.
printed tam there certainly had I,yeen.nsct.rZt:lwt:ll
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mar.
Con-
siderable. In the
,year 1839, i
„tin - ""'
; :the--; four
I ,619.765 letters passed tht;(iurrt,hthe
were 8,46n000, and in
-:,,, 4130 verthatifying to
11 •o• Ili or lnoney sent through
tW the increase in sma. .
money orders were
the Post-office, The wi,;(l6ivs
:for. . .
-ere availow-. themselves of
crowded with person:- oho
.vi , ~ d.
4w,kettt'ut,vilsA.lLigt, ~7,24..36),05t4?: 111[1,, • .
Dale Lord, the
their parents and others re-
j that in(ians to si;;,,ti monpy
tr)-ountrc
i'lkiiri`:,* is ,!'tint parts of th,:.e. N'Secret'
.' tied that the Government had a
tot.
_lreland, had contended .
ofthat House. I . •
confidence
large share of the ,
I large a share as they
agreed tat. they li:t :th.
,' liri :AI ESSIVELL said rue
• Ain't that they had sneh a 'shar‘
hituataelt; net • ,
reins ..."; . . • . La*
or timetnment And be
lmaintained that they never had been fit since the aSsemr
of the present Parliament. What was the history
Wing-
of the Government from the period when it succeeded in
expelling the Eight Hon. Baronet from office ? The
heetit'it'lli4t to hold Inc , . . .
Hon. Baronet retired from office in consequence of the
passing of the resolution, embodying the- principle of
which was
mskie:S3b:is sin-
appropriation. For six long years had they held the
• reins of office without carrying that principle. In 1835
and 18.1 Ci, the principle was proposed, but it was finally
n:bandoned.• I 1 in?, to gratify the enemies of the
Church, a.schetne was propounded for the abolition of
the Churele rates, and the Noble Lord succeeded in car-
rying> the resolution in support of dint measure, by the
glorious majority of 287, against 282.—(Hear, hear.) It
they did not consider the measure essential, why seek to
deprive the Established Church of the sacred fabrics
in whiell they had paid their homage to the Deity, by
raking from it that support which it had received beyond.
the period of legal memory ? But the measure was
abandoned, In 1838, the Government brought in
awa for. settling the Irish Tithe • question, and
to that bill they omitted the appropriation clause. Thus
had they shifted their ground from time to time. Having
passe( this Tithe Bill, and abandoned the principle of
the resolution upon which they cause' into office, what.
Churchciiil tbi.y? neativh..p.ticoxi.:trit:osiatiBtio:efii3itttibLittli:esinteintEtoiGjnoslaso'yri‘ii-,‘etr;otititmiftohitt:n.lienNs.t:o:ll::ilsips•:o4.sftreatlasthea
scheme for oislneating, the pet-ye.,
met, Then came
, . fCl:l4'elsEleel"todtemidlae.ikhti
one of Ave Atllest Rouses that ever
What party that eoritinate he could n t t e
con. re:riLepared to h '
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Oa esetuorable
rua :awieett
annihilate
w"
I Intended to
' but the Government y say