The Sun.
London, England, 1841-01-27 00:00:00

EVENING E ITION

d:scomfitares and disappointe.ents, or British failure:
heand defea7i; on contrary, their Lordships had
conirrh.,inorate signal. successes. We had not failed in t_,n;
; nor had we failed anywhere else, thank G'J.j
,Ind that INAS the bill of fare for that evening.--( A laugh u o
Their I,,ordips had now an opportunity of causing tb k
t-,.!arts of the korl parents to leap for joy when they twA
ui) to h,r 'il,jemy the congratulations of the country an'
of the Legislature upon the birth of her first-born, filling
the bosom of the Queen of England with renewed PrI:o
and exultation. They had an opportunity of taking ult`r
tile Throne a manifestation of that loyalty on which he
Maj.-,sty relied with such entire confidence; and under
these circumstances, he would ask whether his
tions had been too sanguine, when he expressed his blieat
that the Address would meet with their Lordsbips'
and unanimous approval ?
Lord BROUGIiAM did not rise for the purpose 6.3
debating the various matters in which his Noble Frienh,
w ,
who had just sat down had embarked, but mei elf for ""ot
purpose of calling the attention of the House to 55511°./-
the statements he had made. Although ho was quihe
awareth at an Address in answer to the Speech froallitee
'Furonein no way whatever pledged those who agrceuto-
it to any proposition contained in it, yet as it was aPi„it
be forgotten in the after part of the Session, he
hound to remind their Lordships of it. They would 'To
posse with his protesting against a large portion et t
speech of his Noble Friend who had just sat dew°, '76
there W:l9 one part to which be was compelled to 8(11111
because he would that he could believe the statements c"
Noble Fi lend were authorised by her Majesty's Govecnnle;;
His Noble Friend had congratulated their Lordshiptc
well he might, upon the Crown having reesived
assurances from all foreign Powers of their (With
iion to maintain the must friendly relativs
this country; that, however, was not in her Alsies_a)'
Speech of that day.—( Hear, hear, from Lord Lyndho's"j
It was in the Speech of last year, but it was not in thilit,
the present. The comparison of those two SpeechUS 671;
gested to his mind matter of gloomy apprehension. ~0
would he dispelled at once if his Noble Friend at the tt
of her Majesty's Government would repeat that
been stated by his Noble Friend who had seconded .011'
He should rejoice, no man more so, if it C.'10161

be shown that the word; in the Speech of last year wi,;l
applicable to the present, namely, that assurances 6
been received of the unabated desire of the French di
vernment to maintain with this country the most "rte? a
relations. This led him at once to state that those thirci
which took place within the last six months, and ell a,
were preparing for some months proceeding the prore(ti
tion of Parliament, naturally filled his mind
deep and gloomy apprehension. It was ado
mendous thing to reflect that the friendly 0,
positions had been changed, that the good 0
derstanding had been impaired, that the alliance of
re,
years' standing had been terminated—at least for the r
sent—which had knit together England and France, !0;
which by binding them in the habits and feelings of alio
ble intercourse, had secured the peace of Europe allute
world. It was a grievous thing to have to reflect tbatodi
work of slaughter in one part of the world had filo
commenced, and that they were engaged, he woolubd
say in a war that would have no triumphs, and whieh4l
already had none, but in wars which ended in triumred
such a nature as to dash the exultations of this 000
with feelings of a far different nature. It was nesol
that all this might be defensible ; but if defended ,0
success, if capable of justification, it must be upon gros
not of any mere policy, or interest, or expedieneLo
must be upon grounds approaching upon necessity, 70
dangers not remote and contingent, but all but imme7oo,
It was upon such grounds, and such grounds e' id
that those things could be justified, and the policy °Lot
had been adopted, defended. An opinion had at 0",111
times prevailed in this country, and it had been gtLe-ge
reinforced of late years, and very much added to WO
cent events, but in which he had never concurred, tillitirst
best policy for this country was to keep herself aloof coe
all connection with foreign affairs, to take no more
cern in the proceedings or foreign powers than our bre'd
of America, that we should trade with all, and :0
all powers in a friendly manner, so long as our iete,',jl
were respected and our flag not insulted. He
were possible that, from our position, and fre°,(lll
nature of human affairs, such a policy as that coloof
pursued. Ho considered it impossible, but there Iv
wide difference between never interfering at all, 040
tween incessant interrneddling—between shutting our!:tP
up in our insular position, as if we were divided byor
Atlantic and not by the mere Channel, and making
selves everywhere present, and perpetually intriguing: se
did not wish to be offensive; therefore, he would e°loo,
gotiating,; but always meddling everywhere, as if cures
i
ence were extended throughout the whole Continent.,
that it formed part and parcel of the British doOli°loll
It was of that excess that he complained, and ever if,
complain. The negotiations of the last six months ill
it appear as if men and Ministers thought tirs'i 0
capital of the Turkish empire was the capil3 or
this country—as if Syria wore Ireland. There weststi
thing more wide of the question then under discussiele
the conduct of Mehemet Ali--that conduct was
vented according to the interest of the parties mall ir,
representation. Sometimes he was represented as of/
dependent Sovereign, at other times as the merti 00;
of the Sultan ; again it was stated he was power"' 'sge,
his resources great; or on the contrary, that be NO, g°'
and vacillating. Whatever his resources were la"
now the question ; in late events, however, lie bane :00!
they were not now so great as they were in 1832. 000:
was the avowed object of all these proceedings fare ft
so great a risk had been tun in that quarter whe, tot
peace of Europe hinged, and which had put an enS
alliance between France anti England r Ite,„.„tir,
that it was to maintain the integrity of the
empire. Since when had wo begun to tbleopol
absolutely and indispensably necessary to °,O,
for nothing but the independence and integri.,,io
the Turkish empire? Was it in. 1927, when Roe°lol,
defiance of the rest of Europe, determined by >i
jol
brated Treaty to destroy the independence andodi
grity of that empire? Was it in 1830 or 1831, °lie,
the assent of Russia, we joined with her and other f tore
to dismember the Turkish Empire by taking from
large and valuable portion of her territory. Ver( it/
no doubt—no hesitation, except about the amount :0r!
territory which should be taken—the amount of ,t
croachment which should be made upon the I'4o,
Empire. In 1839 they had offered the Pacha
Egypt, the most valuable of the Turkish provir',/
hereditary sovereignty. That was not all—le QGtr
1839, they not only effered him Egypt, but thefr
cruached upon Syria, that very ground of conte°,
they had offered him the Pachalic of Acre with°
fortresses. Now they would not allow him to her4otr,
(Hear, hear.) In May 1840, they had offered her
Pachalic of Acre with the fortresses, but for life ; bi,
difference between the hereditary government an
for life was a trifle which he would not detain their Opir
ships upon. The independence of the Turkish efor i
was an object of so much importance that
they were to give up the alliance and Mende e
France, and, with the remnant of the Holy took:,
ance, to secure that integrity and independencel,
ject so absolutely necessary to be secured that a!, r
considerations were of no value as compared with It'otoeolil
secure that, the real and true basis of any solid foe°
there could be for the peace of Europe, namely. 111°
understanding and alliance between France and. V°:4ol,
was to be placed in jeopardy. It had been coosiderhoc:
cessary for the sake of keeping peace some year° 0401,
that they should run the risk of going to war at Pols
and to arrange matters in such a way in the Leciedli;
would prevent the Turkish empire from falling tolchio
Talk of preventing from falling to pieces a State erblol
in a complete state of decay and dismemberment, 0/0,01
the assistance of Russia. appeared to him the moat 7 pia
rical object that could enter into the brain of Belo is
Suppose the Government of Syria was restored e
Porte, and taken from Mehemet Ali, what guaraete„of°,
they that the Government of the one would be more e(
ler than that of the other ?—( Hear, hear.) Did 09
pose that, having ruined the Syrians, they would o°Cll°#
and use these arms against any other opponent ?
who entertained no such opinions took a much 10,1 (11.1
guine view of the matter than he (Lord Broughewtogorr,
and it was absurd to suppose that an undisciplined, IP Jot
mob would, at the word of command, take up and 140,,
their aims. But then again let them only perceive 13,0t1
argument was used. Danger was apprehended. To fvor
against that danger was the object of the endeeri, tb°l
keep the Turkish empire together—keep it togethe le rAr
could not say with any correctness, but to renovated', WI
form it—to put it together again when it had sires jot,
broken to pieces by time, by its own hands, by other of
titan its own, and then the hand of time; and ameegoo,
other bands by human hands, and the hands of theirPoollll,
ally and confederate, Russia, which bad more eoeogfiffs
powerfully, and successfully aided in the operatioe,4ool
ing the Ottoman empire to pieces, than all otln r "100$0
its own included—put together. It was by referese
after it had thus been taken to pieces that they eop
ward against future contingencies and possible jO5;
Now lot them come at once to what that danger.‘;o'oo
cause it should not be mere danger to Turkey, (
wou!cl not do. That was no argument for interfer
es
say way, according to any doctrine of the Isl°ol
px,ver ; that was not a sufficient ground .0 i',ool
terference ; there should be a danger whised 2
plied a risk to other countries, to the 13° idoci
the world, to the safety of nations. Now, that
geld
was nothing more nor less than this. It was a atisoP`i
be apprehended from Russia herself. But if 04111,1
got enfeebled, if Mehemet Ali were left in po
of Egypt, and if to Egypt were added Syrief.o 'sfr
which the difficulties arose, it must be that boat!!
hornet Ali's being possessed of Syria would 0%164,
to proceed further, to pass the Taurus and Sleep !"-eptiAl.
phorus, and reach Constantinople. 'rah' wont 0 esNlO,
Russia to come down as a protectress, while Porte 4,
was to take a share of the dominions of the
addition to that large share which she alreadlll°;.oe'S
That was the reasoning on which alone the, rAi
with Fiance was to be defended. It was cortaiol 'pelf t
that of all the Powers in the world the very be he
against whom that policy was directed sheu;og, 00,
consenting party to it. There was an old flaY:c; /
if you wanted to find out the author of 104 Zetce' 00,
bed only to find out the party who "of
by it.--(Hear.) Let them apply the converseria 01,
rule in the present instance; and they would rill, or,
Russia must have taken a very strange part 014
proceedings. Taking the subject altogether, they
say that whatever might have been the tritooP orof
Levant. Russia must have gained from the policy Vif
and been better than before it. He could cony teu
Russia could gain a less immediate, but eert' 4„iltlf° if;
comparably greater benefit—he would not say i'lgiobediro
run, but at no distant day—by keeping the Tur rif d
lire for a short space together, and by built! ,
pracxt for interfering with her protection to, Voice
European policy, the natural consequent
seas partition. What made Constan'
inePle ,141
ground ? What rendered it hopeler
s;
otifolrio6001)„110(1)0ijoo°
turn her eyes towards Turkey ?
alliance between France and Engler The thclfii
0 oily'
which was nursued by Russia snore than °co Pal JO
that that alliance should cease, am' the t(11
'that b g
substituted for the good understanewain eps
.in fee,
happily prevailed, the angry if n 9 t hostile