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London, England, 1812-06-16 00:00:00

ROUSE 01? COMMONS—AIo NDAY.

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Q brought in a Bill to enable the
t.Mcers of the Royal Marind on foreign sta
I°ns to draw on the Paymaster of Marines for a
Dart
of their pay.—Read a first time and ordered
`) be read a second time on iThUrsday.
C/2 the motion of. Mr. BaonoriAm, an account
ordered to be laid before the House of the
iTilbcr of ships. cleared out from the port of
front 1804 to ISI2.
B,,,Lara JOCtLYII appeared at the Bar, with. an-
er§ to various addresses of the House for the
iePort •of the Coinmissioners for Queen Anne'S
the,pardon or reprieve granted to Walter
11,411,. in Ireland, for Murder, Bic. announcing that
toßoValHighness would cause the proper offiCers
the same before the House.-
?‘het,4 General Enclosure Bill was recommitted ;
41 the Report was ordered to be received 'tat-
orrow.
IfoRNER intimated his intention after the
11A cPtion of the Report; to move 'that the Bill
' printed.
SINECURE BILL.
er• BA.NP:rs moved the Third Reading of the
lieeure Bill:
tro-'! • W. DUNDAS opposed the Bill on Pus former
t'nds as inefficient and, illusory. It would,
ave
the country nothing,_and would be.most
Ita` to many individuals ; particularly in the in-
Ties of the Great and Privy Seal of Scotland.
Of it' W. FITZGERALD Obyieted to the Schedule
aces in
Bill, as interfering unjustly with. several,
in Ireland, such as Constable of the Car-
t•°f Li k Clerks and: Officers of the Per-
ilt 0 meric ,
t}le gm. His opinion on the principle of
Vtit-QI remained unaltered ; although, after the
of the House, he should think himself pre-
Ptuons in offering his sentiments-upon it.
tllat°lllCAsTLEnzAnn.dealared that he still thought
to; the advantages to be derived from the Inea-
\,„ii`i_ 'were as nothing compared' with• the evils
which it was pregnant. The Bill also
4.,01111ded with technical errors, and if. passed in
54Pres_ent state, would be proilactive.of great in-
tti:ehiences. As, however, the Bill had re-
ved the former sanction of the HOnse he would
Freg take the sense,of the House upon it: on the
‘erit occasion.
14' PONSOyBY obje'cted to the clause respect-
'l1-I.e Pension List of Ireland:. ,
‘ •
'.;• W. POLE coincided with the Right Hon.
der who had just • spoi“..n, and expressed
disapprobation of the principle of -the

Si NEwrozi 'defended the clause respectinglie Pension List, and called thc attention of the
2evcr:il gross deviations from the civil
171. Act of Ireland.
of Poogn highly approved of the principle
tel`,lle objected to that part of it which
.4\i"(l to Courts of Justice.
I.BRowN,. as .he ,considered the Bill as an
1j to to the Country. of the intention of the
fotlis!' to carry into effect an economical Tefonn,
j,sinclinert to state any objectiop,; but he re-
t;ocied to find, 'that in' the schedule was in-
"e't the o ce Ili .0 f King's Advocate in the Co-

I%s

Mr. tAilitin intinlated that that aftc:t *AS
omitted..

Mr. BROWN observed, that it was nut so in the
copy which he bad received:
Mr. COITRTENAY and Mr. MARTIN (of Galwa)
objected to various parts of the detail of the Bill,
and protested against it, as an unconstitutional
Incas are.

Lord Coditu•ANE stated it to be his intention to
move an Amendment, to omit the•words ." from
and after the expiration of the existing interest
legally vested in ofEees,". for the purpose of in,-
troducing the words "from the passing of this
PAL" in order to :empower the Sovereign imme-
diately to reward public merit in a constitutional
mannet. It was, also his intention to propose,
that for 2 or SOM. named in the Bill for the re-
ward- of certain public servants, a smaller sum
should be there inserted. He then moved, " that
the Bill fie re-committed."
• The SPEAKER said, it was unusual to re-commit
a Bill in. tivt stacte' after it was engrossed. lithe
t
House thought it'necessary to make any amend-
ments in it, , such amendments could be moved
after the third reading. •
Mr. A: BARING objected to that part of the Bill
which gave the Crown the power of 'rewarding
the services of JUdges with pensions, the amount
of which was unlimited. .1-le. would propose,.
that the pensions to be granted to 'fudges should
be in proportion to their existing salaries.
- Lord BINNING protested against the conso-
lidation of the Great Seal, the Privy Seal, and
the Signet of
.Scotland, Which the Bill t: ant to
affect.-: He could neither consent to their be-
ing thrown into one, nor to their being abo-
lished.

Mr. BANKES, in reply, went over the argu-
ments which had been, urged against the mea-
snre, and defended the-general provisions of the
Bill.

The SPEAKER felt it his duty to observe, that
the recommendation of the Crown was not ne-
cessary, in his opinion, before the third reading
of the Bi.l, on account of its affecting the Civil
List hereditary revenues, &c. ; but it would be
inconsistent with the practice of that House for
a hundred years, to pass the Bill without the re-
commendation of the Crown, unless some amend-
ment .were made to take away that which had
'been spoken of.
The Bill was read a third time

Mr. BANxEs then brought-it-La clause to.exempt
the pres.ent officers of the Courts. of King's Bench
and Common Ptea-s, • and- other officers, from its
operation.
Mr. LOCKHART declared this clause had taken
away ail his objections to the Bill.
Sir W. CURTIS moved a clause to prevent- the
operation of the Bill extending to the Omit of
tke Lord Mayor and Aldermen, and other Courts
in the City of London.
Mr. WROTTESLEY opposed the clause. He
knew of no ground on which such an exemp-
tion could be claimed by)the City of London-. He
thought the Cursitors in Chancery had at least an
equal right to be exempted from the operation of
the A •

Sir W. CURTIS defended the clause.
The question was put on the-clause, and'carried.
Lord COCHRANE proposed his amendment. The
question was put and this motion lost.
'Mr, MARTIN (Or Galway) objected to the lan-
guage of tile Bill in one part;--that. Where it
gave,a pension to public servants, " provided they
wanted such assistance." This he contended was
improper, as whether the individual who had
served his country did or did not stand in need
of assistance, a pension for his services was ho-:
nourable. Stfch a provision as that to which he
objected in the Bill, went to cast .a reflection on
those who might avail-themselves of such assist-
ance. It went to place a servant of the public in
the situation of the apothecary in • Romeo and
Juliet. It seemed to say, 'when he took such
reward—, • . _ •

" 11fy poverty, but not my will, consents 7

He therefore moved the omission of the words
" provided they want such assistance."
A division took place on Mr. Martin's Amend-
ment, when we understood the numbers to be

In favour of the Amendment 64
Against it s'2
• Majority • in favour —l4

Mr. WROTTESLEY, after the course which the
Bill ,had taken, felt it •to be his duty to move' a
claule for exempting- the Cursitors in Chancery
from the operation of the Biil.
Mr. W. FITZGERALD moved an. Amendment
respecting the further regulating the Irish Pension
List, •

Mr. IlusxissoN objected to the amendment, as
tending to distresS Ireland, already incapable of
paying. her debt in consequence of the heavy
charges on the Establishment.
• Sir J.,NEWPORT 'concurred in opinion with lilt
/lon. Gentleman, and stated that thejtevenue was
deficient half a million sterling.
_ _ __- •

After some observations fi:oni Mr. W. FITZ-
GERALD, the House divided on the amendment.

For it an
Against it . 59
Majority —1

On our re-admission to the gallery, we found
that a proposition had been made for postponing
the further consideration of the Bill till to-mor-
row. At length, after some remarks by Mr.
WYNNE and Sir J. NEwroicr, the further consi-
deration, on the motion of the. CHANCELLOR of
the ExcHio.uEß, was deferred till Wednesday.