The Sun.
London, England, 1840-01-06 00:00:00

Id ON M UTI-1 SPECIAL
CO N 1 MISSION .

(Continued from our Paper of Saturday.)
John-Parsons examined by Mr. Talbot—l am a butcher
residing at Pillgwelly. On the morning of the fourth of
November I was on Stow-hill a little after nine o'clock,
and saw a great many people arriving up by the Friars, on
the road leading from the Court-y_bclla Machine towards
the Westgate. They were armed with guns, pikes, and
other weapons. They passed near me. They were be-
tween 4,000 and 5,000 men. There might have been
more or less. The fore ranks observed ordcr. They were
walking seven or eight abreast. A few came after Ze-
phaniah Williams. These men were not armed. _I heard
that morning the firing at Newport. That was after I had
seen the body of men. It did not last more than ten minutes.
Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly—l was at Stow-hill when
I saw the men pass. I was then passing through the
Church-yard. I was in the yard, and the men were on
the road, and going the way different from mine. I stopped
a few seconds. I was not then in the road. I have known
'Z. Williams several years. He had, on that occasion, no
offensive weapon about him. He was walking alongside
of the road, not with the body.
Re-examined—The distance between Z. Williams and
the men was but little ; it was about the distance (which
was about 14 feet) of where I am standing to the jury-box.
I did not see him elsewhere. I know " the Six Bells,"
which it the same place.
Thomas Saunders sworn and examined by the Soli-
citor=General—l am a small farmer residing at Tyne-
combo.
Witness—.l wish to he asked in Welsh.
Solicitor-General—Oh, never mind Welsh ; I don't
understand that langusge. We will get on well in English.
Examination continued—l live near the Welsh Oak. I
was at home on the 3d of November. On that night I
heard a noise on the tram-road. This was about twelve
o'clock. When I heard the noise, I sat up in bed to
hear whence it came. After listening a short time, I lay
down, when a voice called me. I said " What do you want
at this time ?" The voice replied, " When you get up I
will tell you. Open the door ; there are hundreds and
thousands of Chartists on the tram-road." I went to the
barn to hide myself. While I was there a large troop
same in. I.jumped down, and asked what they were do-
ing ; they said, " That they were to shelter themselves
for a time, they did not know how long." I allowed
them to remain. I then went from the barn to my house
on the tram-road. There was a great number of
people holding lights in lanterns. The barn was full.
I returned, and asked them to take care not to
burn the barn with the candles. Zephaniah Williams
name to my 'house. While I was there, Zephaniah
Williams came and said to the men, " Come, my
good men, let us go." Every man then prooeeded to
make himself ready as soon as he could, and they started.
Those men were armed with guns and pikes. It then
came in light. It was between six and seven in the morn-
ing. They came at one o'clock, and remained till seven.
I cannot form a judgment of the number of the men pre-
sent. They were out of my number. After the men went
out Zephaniah Williams and a strange man returned. He
asked permission to dry himself. I asked him where he
was going. He asked me why I said so. I said because
some men here said you were going to Monmouth to draw
Vincent out of prison. He said no ; we don't attempt it ;
we are going to give a turn as far as Newport. They ali
left my house about seven o'clock;
Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly—lt was about half-past
six in the morning when I first saw Williams; in two or
three minutes after the men went away I saw Williams
for the last time; there was a great number in my house
and barn. They were going and coming all the morning.
Barnabus Brough examined by the Attorney- General—
I am a brewer and wine merchant, residing at Pontypool,
in this.. county ; I was at Newport on Sunday, the 3d of
November last ; I attempted to return home that night to
gig, in
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fiw yiPontypool.eth
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from Pontypool
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left Newport for that purpose. I travelled in a one-horse
and a townsman of mine. We travelled as far as Cros= -
Newport. We left the gig at Cross-y-Kyloch, with an
intention of walking .on foot to Pontypool. This we did
in consequence of the horse having been knocked up. The
night•wao excessively wet and dark. About half way from
the place where we left the gig, we were stopped lir an
armed mob. We were ordered to stand by lhe party. The
leader asked our names, whence we came, and %slier°
we were going. I gave him my name " Mr. Brough
brewer, Pontypool." The same man inquired the name
of my companion. I replied, " Mr. Thomas Matthews,
currier, Pontypool," and that he was going to Pontypool.
The person.who put the interrogations, said "they should
turn back and go with them." I said, I would rather
not. They, were going towards Newport. The party in-
terrogating said, • • We must go back with them, and that
if we wont quietly we should be taken care of." Ire

monstrated against.the attack on my liberty. They told
me to hold my tongue, or that it would be worse for me. I

inquired by what-riglit they thus attacked my liberty.
They again told me to hold my tongue and go with them.
We did so. Two men in front of us and two behind

armed with pitchforks, guarded us. The leader marched
to my left, and another at the side of my companion, In
.this order we marched towards Newport. There might
have been about 40 or 59 men collected there. It was too
dark to disti►;guiah the number. We thus proceed,id
within three quarters of a mile of Newport. I did not
attempt to make my escape. We were ordered to halt in
the marsh within half a mile of Newport. I then asked to
cross a hedge, and on attempting to leap it fell into four
feet of water. Two or three called out, and threatened to
blow out my brains. I felt two guns near me. There
might be more. The men ordered me to return, and I did
return. We were taken as far back as the turnpike gate
200 o-300 yards nearer Newport; it is called the Malpas-
gate. We were placed in a shed or cow-house opposite
the toll-house, and were guarded by armed men. There
was one person without arms, who went in and was kind
towards us, They brought us five miles. I heard none
but common names mentioned, such as Jones, Edwards,
&c. I was then taken to the toll-house. I was

guarded all the time by a man with a drawn sword,
We were taken up stairs, when I tell asleep, and

remained so three quarters of an hour, when we were
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ordered down again, and were placed in the same
position and guarded as before. They took me across the
canal and up a lane that leads to Risca. They appeared to
carry us several miles when we reached the Cern. It is

about two miles from Risca. No assignable object was
given for carrying us, there. At Ccfn we went into a
public-house. It was half-past three or near four o'clock
when we arrived there. We were taken prisoners to the
Welsh Oak, which is about a mile from Risca.
We were still guarded, When we got to the Welsh Oak

I requested. a —person to find Mr..Fiost for me. I heard
Mr. Frost's name mentioned in the lam. A person asked
" Who were they ?" He was answered, " They were
taken for Frost or Frost's men." I inquired for Mr.
Frost, as he was an old acquaintance of mine. While we
were in the Welsh Oak, Mr. Frost came in. It must

have been then about six p'clock. As the day was dawn-
ing, I heard him say, " Where is Mr. Brough ?" I re-
plied, " Here, Sir." He appeared astonished to see me,
and asked, " What brought me there ?" I told him, "that
the parties who had me in custody would best tell him."
I required of him to let us free. He said " that though he
detested my polities he had a personal regard for me."
He then said, " that I was dismissed or ,discharged." I
then inquired if my companion was included in that libe-
ration. The answer was, " certainly." I thanked him,
and then left the party. We were then liberated ; I ob-
served a light as it from a lantern. This light appeared
to come from the direction of Newport. It was extin-
guished before it reached us.

Cross-examined by t-it F. Pollock--We came through
the lame to the Welsh Oak. I hare known Mr. Frost:fur

five or six years. I had every conficicnca,if.he had bet,nthrc
that I would not have to dread any personal injury. 1113
general character is in accordance with that opinion which
I formed of him. I parte(' with Mr. Frost at half-past six.
Thu day was breaking, or rather the day was dawning.
An order «2f; granted by the Court, on ti o writlec ap-
plication of Sir F. Pollock, for the admssion of Mr.

Thoma 3 and Mr. O'Connor '
to the gaol at all reasonable
hours, fur the purpose of seeing Mr. Frost.
The Cella adjourned at a quaiter to six o'clock.

SATURDAY'S PROCEEDINGS.

SUDDEN CLOSE OF THE PROSECUTION.

The Judges took 'their seat at nine in the morning.
Thomas Watkins examined by the Solicitor-General
—I reside in the neighbourhood of Pontypool. I am
acquainted with Mr. Brough. I was with him in a gig
on tho night of the 3d of November. We were going
to Pontypool. In the course of our journey we were
internipted,:and were kept in restraint until six o'clock,
or half-past six in the morning. During the night I
observed two or three lights—a kind of rockets. They
were between Newport and Rises. We were then about
the end of the lane going from the toll-house to Rises.
We were guarded by men with arms. We were at the
Welsh Oak public-house in the morning, having been
kept ,in custody till then. We asked Mr. Frost if he
would liberate us ? Mr. Frost :aid " I detest your po-
litics, but you are discharged," and we then walked on.
Cross-examined by Sir Frederick Pollock—There were
tin works near the place where we were first taken. lam

a currier.
Re-examined—l ens sufficiently acquainted. with the
lights of iron-works to be able, to say thst the lights I
speak of were not from iron-works. I saw these lights
after we had.passed the iron-works.
By the Foreman of the Jury—There wore no iron-
, works between Newport and Risca. The lights I spoke
of were not low and near the ground, but very high in the
air. You can see at a distance from iron-works a conside-
rable reflection in the air. I cAn say positively that the
lights I saw were not any such reflection.
John Harford examined by the Solicitor-General—I am
a collier. My health was very poorly on Sunday, the 3d
of November last. I did not get up till the afternoon. At
six o'clock I was in the house when some men came to the
door. There was a great number of them. I had a
sword in my house, and they told me if. I did not come
along, and bring the sword, they would kill me. I teas
'obliged to go. They pulled me. out of the house by the
collar. We first went to Mr. William Jones, at the Car-
penter's Arms. The men had pikes. From Jones' I was
taken on, and at last got to the Welsh Oak. It vas about
one o'clock in the morning when we got there. On the
way there were hundreds and thousand; of men.
great number of them were armed I saw them go to
the doors of the house and order people out, and pull

them out. I knew Mr. Frost. I saw him between the
Cefn and the Welsh Oak. He was alone when I
saw him. He came along with me and the men to-
wards the Oak. He was standing in the road with his
two hands in his coat pockets. We went to Cern
(bee:lL:a there were so many that we could not all
get into the Welsh Oak) to have a pint of beer. There
is a public house at Cefit (the relative situation of these
two places was pointed out to the Court on the plans.)
When we met Mr. Frost the mob asked him, " If the)
had not better return." He said " No, you had bet-
ter not return." They asked Mr. Frost what he did
intend to do. He said at first "be should go to the
New Poor House, and take the soldiers and their
arms," and he said there was a storehouse where there
was plenty of powder, and that they could blow up the
bridge; that would stop the 'Welsh mail, which did run
to the north, and that would bring tidings, and they would
commence here in the north on the Monday night; and
he said that he should be able to see two or three of his
friends or enemies in Newport. He said no more. Mr.
Frost and the mob then went on towards the Welsh
Oak. I don't know how long they remained there. I
made my escape about 200 yards from the Welsh Oak,
and went into a cow-shed. It was between three and four
o'clock when I first saw Mr. Frost, and it could not have
been more than a quarter past four o'clock when .I last
saw him. I saw no more of him that night.
Cross-examined by Mr. Kelly.—l was examined before
the Magistrates at Newport. I cannot say on what day
of the month. It was on a Friday ; not the Friday after
I had left my house. This was the second Friday. The
people at the Union poor-house told me to go to be ex-
amined. I was at the Union workhouse, because I was
f.)recd out of the house with a sword by Mr. Frost and
the moia. I was apprehended by the Magistrates the
Sunday fortnight after the riots, in my own house. I was
taken to the George Inn. at Blackwood. I remained
there till the eves:lag. I was not examined there. In
the evening I was taken to Newport, to the Union. I
have Taal remained in custody ever since. I was not
locked up there. I stopped in it for the night. I was
obliged to remain there, being apprehended. I was not
examined the next day. I was detained there thirteen
days. I was not examined during that time; I was
detained till I was examined. I was examined at
the Westgate. I was taken there for that purpose;
after having been detained thirteen days. I was
detained on the charge of carrying a sword in
the mob. There was no charge made against me
at the Westgate. I had these few words to say what
I have said cgainst Mr. Frost. I told it to the person
who keeps the Union. I think his name is Mr. Harris.
I told him what I had to say. I was obliged to take a
part in the riot. I knew when I told him it that there
was a charge against me of having taken part in the riot.
I was obliged to take a part in it, or it would have cost
me my life. When I told the master of the workhouse
what I had to say, I knew well I wits charged with carry.
hag a sword. I had learned that some had gone to prison
on a charge of riot. I had heard, too, that some had gone
to prison on the charge of high treason. I did not know
that if any persons were convicted there they would suffer
death. I did not understand the law. I did not know
that a person convicted of high treason would suffer death.
I did not tell any ono but the master of the workhouse
what I said against Mr. Frost. He was arrested before I
was taken before the Magistrates. When I told the mas-
ter of the workhouse what I had to say, there were other
men beside mvsalf at the workhouse; what charge they
were on I don't know. I did not ask them. Certainly
they were on some charge. The place was not guarded by
soldiers. There were soldiers there who were wounded.
There were soldiers there besides the wounded, and re-
csuits. They were then learning their exercise every
morning. They were on parade or whatever you call it.
I knew nothing about the workhouse having been made a
place of confinement or not before this business. I talked
to one of the persons there about this business during the
twelve dabs I remained there. Ido not remember the
man's name. I did not know him before. I never heard
his name. I did not tell him what I had done in the
I business. I did not talk about Mr. Frost to him. He
told me that if be knew anything about Mr. Froste he
would tell it if he was in my place. Upon my- oath I did'
did not tell him about Mr. Frost in order that I might got,
my liberty. I expected to be freed from this charge svhcip
I told it, and when I had given my evidence I did get my
liberty. I cannot write; I did put my mark to something
when I was examined before the Magistrates. I was not
examined more than once. When I had made my state-
ment, I was at once set at liberty. I have since been
working as a collier at Mr. Jones's, the same master as I
worked for before. The name of the person to Whom I
spoke about Mr. Frost at the workhouse was net Edwards.
1 know no person of the name of Morgan to whoa I have
spoken to about this business. I have not spoken to any
one of that name about it. It was about four o'clock in
the morning when I saw Mr. Frost, and it was within a
quarter of an hour after that when lie told the mob in my
blaring about the powder, and the soldiers, and the post,
and the other matters.
Examined by the Foreman of the Jury—l have at-
teuded at a Chartist lodge. I endeavoured to make my
escape from the mob several times, but they prevented'
me, pulling me by the collar and striking me, and
threatening to run a pike through my body. Mr. Frost
said he should see two or three friends or enemies at New-
pert. Ile did not name any one that I heard. I had not
heard at the union workhouse that any one was likely to
be hanged for this rising or riot, or whatever it was. I
was not afraid myself of being hanged, for I had done no.
thing to deserve to be hanged or sent to prison.
William Harris examined by the Solicitor-General—
e.

am a collier, residing at Blackwood, I remember Sunday
night, the 3d of November. I was near the Coach and
Horses lon, at Blackwood, about seven o'clock ; I saw
Mr. Frost outside the door. There were a good many
persons about the door ; some of them were armed. There
was every •kind of arms there, pikes and everything.
I saw a person of the name of Davies close to Mr. Frost.
Davies told the people to go on ; " that there was enough
there to eat Newport." I went up the road after this.
After that, I and my wife went up the road together, and
we met a mob coming down. I suppose I was opposit'e
the Coach and Horses hardly a quarter of an hour. My
wife came down after me, and we went up the turnpike
road towards my own house. While we were walking. we
met a mob, who told me to come along. I said I would
not. They were armed. They had great sticks with them,
every one. I did not see anything else with them. Alley
said again to me, " Come alone ;" and I went on with
them to the Greyhound. I should say there were 50 -of
them together. I remained at the Greyhound about a
quarter of an hour. I dare say there were 200 persons
there ; some of them had pieces, some pikes, and some
mandrils, By "pieces" I-mean guns. Ido not know
what time it was when we left the greyhound. We after-
wards went to the Welsh Oak. There was a great num-
ber of men who preceded us, and we met others on the
road, who joined us. They were coming down in every
part; and some of them were armed. At the Welsh Oak
I saw Mr. Frost. I saw Zephaniah Williams on the Mon-
day morning about seven o'clock. That was the first time
I saw him. When we got to the. Welsh Oak, and I saw
Mr. Frost, it was about eleven o'clock at night. It was
toe the turnpike-road across the tram-road that I saw
Zephaniah Williams. I saw Mr. Frost about forty yards
from that spot. Mr. Williams spoke to me and told me to
go on and not to hang back there, but to go on with the
rest, because I was going towards home. I then went on
towards Newport, as far as the Friars. Every one was
going on as fast as they could go. I did not go on to
to Newport. I turned back at the Friars because I was
af-aid to go on. I thought they were going on to kill
people. I had heard Mr. Frost call the guns forward. He
said, 4' all that have guns come in front." The guns were
tried ever so many times. It had been raining between the
times when they were tried. Two or three of the men
turned back with me. I went to the tram-road to get on
the tram-engine to go back.
Cross-examined by Sir F. Pollock—l come now from
Blackwood. I was in custody. I was taken to Newport
on the 20th of the last month. I cannot tell you the name
of the month. I don't know the names of the months. It
is going on three weeks ago—three weeks next Monday.
I have been kept ever since at Newport and here. I live
at Blackwood. This morning I came from the Black
Swan. I have been here in Monmouth since lAs• Mon-
day. I was in Newport a fortnight "handy." I was
in custody there at the Parrot and Salutation Inns. I was
examined before the Magistrates. The mark on the paper
(the deposition) now produced is my mark. The paper
was read over to me. I suppose so. That is the mark I
made when I went down to the Coach and Horses, and
met some of those persons. It was seven o'clock, or a
middlingltwasosmestieks, adnadrk' but I could
some pieces.
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were
There were one or two guns. I know there was one
gun. I saw ever so many about the road. I don't know
about swords. There were some pikes. I saw no pistols,
but some mandrils. I do not know whether there were
four or five. Ido not know how many. There certainly
was one, but I don't know how many. There was more
than oue gun, but I don't know how many. That was
at the Coach and Horses, or on the road clove by. The
people who came to my door had sticks. I don't know
how many people there were. There were six there.
There were seven. There were eight.. There were not
twenty. There were from eight to twelve. None of
those who came into the house had any other weapon
than a stick. I had seen Mr. Frost a good many times
up and down Blackwood before that, I knew him well
enough to know him when I saw him.
The deposition of this witness before the Magistrates at
Newport was then read by the officer of the Court.
Cross-examination resumed—l do not know whether I
had been examined the day before I made this deposition
I was examined two or three days. I was sober when I
made this deposition and this mark at Newport, to be sure.
The day before that on which I said I was sober I do not
know whether I had been before the Magistrates.
Chief Justice Tindal here called Sir Frederick Pollock,
as he he had the Attorney-General near him on the
bench, in order that they might privately consult 'together,
so as to make come arrangement-with respect to the Jury.
After a few moments' consultation together,
Mr. Bellamy turned round to the Court and said—The
gentlemen summoned on the Petit Jury may all return to

their homes, but be back here on Wednesday morning at
nine o'clock, those who do not return on Wednesday morn-
by nine o'clock will be ined.
The Forman cf the Jury, in the Jury box, said one of
the Jurors wanted to send home for something, and wished
to have persnissicn from his Lordship for that purpose.
Chief Justice Tindal replied—Certainly, every accom-
mociation.in that way would be given,to them ; the-Court
also hoped to be able to make such arrangement as would
enable them to get a little air.