The Sun.
London, England, 1812-05-05 00:00:00

IRISH TOBACCO DUTIES PILL

_ On the question tbr the thiid reading of the Irish
Tobacco D ties liegulati,n sill, soul,. discussion
tOok place, in consequence of -the Earl of LAUDEg-
'DATA enforcing his objedionS of 'a
former evening;
to certain clauses and provisions of •the Bill. He
contended, that the enaatnents to which be referred
were unintelligible, and the words " to .the amount
of the value of the, said Tobacco," were Car from
being sufficiently clear and explicit; the measure
weut.alsoito introduce a novel principle in le islatioer,
at least in -this put of the United Kingdom, inas-
much as it prescribed "the minimum of price. Upon
the.vshole, he trusted their Lordships, on the yari-
ogg grounds which he advanced, would nut concur
in the Bill. as it then stooj, as it defied intelligible
explanation. The Noble Earl then proposed the
adoption of certain amendments, tending to ob-
viate these objeaions oh which he laid so much
stress.

The Earl of. Rosss argued, that the Bill intro-
duced no novelty of legislativeregul,ftioni it went,
in that respect, merely to a continuance of What had
been the law for at' least tWenty-one years in Ire-
land. Neither were its Provisions cotYused or un-
intelligible, as they had beeit long aced upon it 4 that
part of the Country, where from local circumstances,
a very different system of regulation was neces•ary
for the tobacco trade, from what pr&ailed in this
part of the'United Kingdom. _lreland was so full
of creeks and harbours. on that part of its coast,
which was next tb Americ,a,.asafforded inconceiva-
ble faciliiies-`or the sreugOing of tobacco. Besides
this consideration, tobacco in that country paid a
duty'ot five 'Aries the value of the article itself, being
subject to a duty of 2s. 2d. per pound. when the
value was only five-pence. It was quite ditfeteut
with respk:a. to tea, sugar, 'and various other corn-
modit es. A different system of checi: and preven-
tiin therilore necessary 'for that article, and ac-
cordm ly s.tch was provide • for and continued by
the Bill now under consideration.

Lord HOLLAND ex4;re4+e,l2 his
.appreliension„ that
be v. Inv fell tram the Noblc Earl, he should incur

the imputati -fanswetaig that vt Lich he did not
understand, particularly, that because there 'were
creeks in Ireland; something peculiar, was 'neces-
sary in the pre:sent; Bill . The Noble Earl seemed
to admit' that any Noble tord may make the
Bill' clearer; but at the same time he ar?,tit.cl it
was sufficiently clear and intelligible for it pur-
pose. ,EqUally extraordinary did he deem the argu-
ment, that; because the measure had srood 21 years,
that it had come t(i years of discretion, that it *as
n,, 19-4er under the tare and guardianship of Pat lia-
mew.. His Lor.tqlyip then -illustrated and enforced
some of the learling objet-tions- of, his Noble Friend
against the Bill.
The Earl of ROSSLYN followed, and made.several
objeCtions. in suppoit of v. hat had fallen from the
Nt.thl, Lord at his side of the House aganst the
Bill, anti especially contend.-cl lot the injurioul ten-
dency of the minimum, with respect td indivi-
duals pat ticularly circumstanced.
The Earl of Ltvzaboot. said, that these provi-
'Siang which were now ()Nested- to, were called for
.by the eircumstances of the cave; they had never
produced any practical inconvenience, nor were they
',ever complained 01 by individuals as such. With
respea to the question Hof smuggling, particularly
with respet to this article, there was no comparisOti
whatever in the local circumstances of England and
Ireland. "

The E.lrls Of. RossE and-LWDERDALE spokere-
speetively ,in exPlanation alter which tlift cpes-
tioti wa. pat, and the Bill Was reed a third tune and
passed; as was, without any discussion,, the Gold
Coin Bill. / -

•
The Bills upon the table were_ respectively for-
warded. Among these the Place and Pension Duty
Bill was read a ijird time atfti passed..

The Irish Di;illeties Bill was, returned from the
Cornmons by Mr. LUSHINGTON:, Wiql the concur-
rence of that Hous6 -la, the amendments made by
their Lordships.
A few private and. local Bills were brought up
from the Commons by Mr. ASHETON SMITH and
other Memb€rs, ant read a first time.---. Adjourned
till to=morrow._