The Sun.
London, England, 1841-03-03 00:00:00

MORNING EDITION

Of the visitors three were Protestants, and two Roman
,Ca. belies; but the power of forming new rules and rogue
moons was transferred to the trustees, and they were
alt ogether Roman Catholics, four-fifths being Roman
C;.tbolic ecclesiastics:, with power to fill up their number
as my vacancies arose. SO that instead of the object Mr.
Pitt had in view, the Act of 1800 turned the visitation
rim a farce. divested the visitors of all power, and handed
t over to the trustees. Now, if it were wise that such a
College as Mr. Pitt established should exist, and over
which the Gas erument should exercise a vigorous control,
such an Act as that of 1500 should not stand. Hain
Hon. Member thought that these powers and that control
should be restored, than that Hon. Member was bound to
support his (Mr. Colqulaeun's) motion; because otherwise
they could not proceed a step. Whatever course was to
to adopted, the first step was to biing in the Bill which
he now moved for. It might he said thta by such an
alteration, by removing the Lord-Lieutenant from all
control °ter the College, and by removing the con-
Lesion of the Judges and dignitaries of the land,
they would be placing Maynooth on the same
footing as the Be fast Academy, and that would
le thcreay dept.:via; it cf the very impottint saec-
ton it darivsd from its connection with the Crown and the
-laden's. Ile adnitted it would do so, and that it would
leave the College of Maynooth naneel and isolated to the
consideration of P.:shame:at when any grant was propossd.
That, loosest' r, appeared to him a strong tecommendation
of the plan, and he thought the tio.e was come (looking
at the langu-go of tie petitions that had been prezemed
from venous parts of toe country) when the dissatisfaction
and encrust that exist2d out of doors, as to the system
wise! in the College of Mayeootb, should find an
eclso and a response is that house. It was time,
that the sanction gi; ea by the Government to Maynooth
should he withdrawn. If the House would endow him to
Ten rto the foutida'ioa of the College cf Maynooth, and
the coon, act which it was stated by the Hon. and Learned
Metre or for Tipperary exis'ed under the Act of Union,
he thought he should be able to show ttem that a very
dirre mot coeclasion was t o be drawn from these circum-
stances to what was reduced by many Hon. Members.
Tin compact on wti h the College cf Maynooth was
founded was established bet seen three parties. Tile one
was tee Roman Cathelic laity, who were very anxious
for the establishment of a College for the education of the
Catholic clergy. On the other side, a desire was ex-
pressed and evieced by the Roman Celli :lie hierarchy,
who desired that nraynooth should be a College for the
general purposes cf education; nod in a document drawn
up by Mr. Keogh, on the ea-t of the Roman Catholic
Committee who represented the Roman Catholics cf
Ireland, it would epee sr that Coenr views were, that
no persons should be excluded on account o'the'r rcligh us
opinions; that the College should depend upon the peep .e
for its support, end be subject to the joint crontal of the
clergy and laity. The views of Mr. Pitt were I,ltegether
uoequivocal; and on the 23d of Ap il, 1795, leave was
given to bring in a Bill for applying the sum of 10,0001.
to establish a College, the object cf which was the betnr
educ dion of persons protesting the Roman Catholic rcli-
gior, a:id intended Ix the clerical mitiary theiesf. The
last poi..t had been iatrodused surreptitiously, for the Bill
was under the conduct of a very clever man, Mr. Hussey,
and when introduced by Lim was limited to education ;
bet the moment the Government discovered tint the
13;11 had that title, it was instaatly w'thdrawn.—( Hear.)
Th Codege eas to he under the charge of laymen as
well as ecciesitstice, and there was to be not a College fur
the education of eccLsiaoies alone but one for tie joint
education c f hymen and coclesiastics. The Roman Ca-
tholic laity wished that Protestants as well as lioraan Ce-
tbclics should le educe ed is the Cellege, but Mr. Pitt,
who saw too c'eerly the alouses to which that would lead,
refused to Sanction that plan. But upon those two pciets they
agreed—first, that the Colteee should be a general one ler
ecclesialties and hymen ; and, secondly, thet it should be
utiles the control of layosea as well as ecclesiastics, and,
in point of fact, as he (Mr. Ctlquhoun) ha l alt c_dy
ohnen to the House, lay mesa formed the majority of the
first Board who took charge of the College. Now, the
whle of that system—that wise system—was entirely
changed at the present tires. The College no longer ex-
isted, as Mr. Pot had designed i , for the education of
laymen as well as ccelesi sties, and under the control of
latonen as well as ecclesiastics. But at the present nvo-
ancro e College was solely under the superireendence of
ecclesiastics, who possessed all the poe era cf appointing
professors, &c., and even the power of the exclusion of
visa aions—for no viaitetiou was tolerated by the Roman
Catholic dasciplire. The compact between the British
Minister and the ecclesiastics r f In land was broken, and
it was of the utmost importance to Government to know
it. Tie compact was broken by those who elteted tie
College of Msynooth, in which, at the present moment,
no lay education was mini ;d on ; ecelesiesticeil
education was established exclusively, and the en-
the control was placed in the hands of ecclesiastics.
The compact therefore between Mr. P.tt and the Roman
Catholic laity of the country was broken. lie was bound
to say that as matters now stood, the pcsin on of Maynooth
was one of very serious alarm, and certainly sell-founded
dissati•fsesion t the people of this country. Without any
allusion to the differences between the Roman Cathoine
and the Reteitant laity on this question, 'here was a dis-
tincti on in the Raman Catholic Courch, and a disticcti m
of most material importance to this country tetween two
abodes of opinion that prevailed there. He alluded to the
parties charecterized in that Church as the Montalats and !
ul r - tlontaants.—(llear, hoar, from Mr. O'Connell.)
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman opposite cheese 1.
Did he thisok that a matter cf no consideration ? He •
(Me Coloquhoun) thought it a matter to be considered ;
by the whole of the Sates of Europe. Teem was a Com-
mittee of thet house-appointed in 1816, to ieveoigate
the position which the Roseau Catholic Church occupied
in tee sa ious countries of Europe. The Report of that
Committee Irought out those sigatficant lacy, that a cosi-
federacy, such as tie ultra-Nloutane system—a confe le-
racy possessing laws and canons by whieh Bisheps were
bound to a central conference—canons, by which Bishops
were bound to eeforce the observation of certain laws
within the country of which they were cit;zens—a cotsti
deracy possessing such power seemed so formidable to all
the States of Europe, that they took th see precautions
against the consequences likely to result from it. They
would not allow any rescript from Rome without its being
seen by the Secretary of Stets for that country into which
it was to be ism-educed. They would sect ciliate any con-
munication to pass between the central conference and the
Bishops of that country, without its havirg been seen
by the Secretory of State. They would not allow the ap-
pointment of the Bishops to be vested in any hands but
their own. They, in fact, resolved, and executed that re-
solution, that there should not exist in their own dominions
a Church which did not own any close connection v ith the ;
State, and which had a close and direct convection wit's ;
a foreign Power. Such were the Gailican tiberties fur
which, in France, the French wisely con'ended. Such
was the lea in Austria—such the law in Ruoi and such
the Itw in Prusia. In no one of the count ies of Europe
was it tole: rate that the appointment of Bishops r f the ;
Church should be vested one the net of Rome. But the
rescript of the Pope passe I iota that c runtry ( Ireland)
without being seen by the Secretary of State.—(" a-,
hear," from Mr. O'Connell). He (Mr. Celquheun)
must say that, notwithstanding the cheers of the Hoe. and
Learned Gentleman oppori e, those States had adopted
a wise course. He woald show the House, from the ern.
anions of Lord Castlereagh:, who was a long time the
distiogoi.bed advocate et. the Cant:lns—(Pear, from I
Mr. O'Connell)—Lord Cs.s.l.re, veer, he must rep. at,
a lorg thee a most ardent supporter cf Canto is Ernonci- I
patios. He would shew from the opinions entertai red bs
that Minister that great (larger was to be apprehended I
from the system (alt-a-ndentsee) to which he had alluded. I
Lord CaOleroagh did not speak his own ( pi, i.ms Only,
but i has speech on the subject in 1810 he adverted to
the opinions of Mr. Fitt as co;nciding-with his ( L rd
Cactlereagh's), Red Mr. Pat, he shoell say, teas a stuff;
authority on the subjec t. It was les wish teat the Cat he-
licathould continue to be such, but that they should coo-
seat- themselves with theneosvn Government, and have no
dependence upon foreign Powers. The II or. Gentlerrao
then quoted the opinions of Dr. Doyle and Dr. M'Ha e
respecting the acceptance by Roman Cathonca of the Bulls
of the Pone, which were opposed to the laws of
the country in srni:hey lived. He expected
to bear from the Honourable and Learned Member
from Dublin that these were questionsf which belonged
to other ages and to a differentstate
bad the authority of a kneech noblemans,..,i(-R society. But he
and a oman
Catholic, the Count de Mont '
os,that in 1816 the
confederations of the ', el
peach
priests, - undernametnntthee.
of
Sodalities, became formiloble to the and •
Government;
the previous year, in a country to which the lion. and
Lammed Member was fond of referring, the Catholic
Bishops cf Belgium. made a protest t o the King of the
Nethcreande, declaring that the canonical law, which was
sanctioned by the ancient laws of the country, were op-
posed to the measures agreed to in the States, and that it
wero attempted to enforce those measures, and the King
. s.
-would not follow their advice, they would place themsehe4
in collision with the authorities, and %ear.could stirow Nup the
H) ever
people sgaiest the Gm ernrnent.—( y_
body knew what had been the consequences of that decla-
rafon in Belgium.
At all events Mr. Pitt intended that
the Coll ge of Maynootli should be founded and conducted
on different and more sound and liberalrinciples. lie
p_
bad not teal to the House any passages from
e would
the works
studied in the College cf Maynooth, but this h
soy, that authors who taught the doctrines most
to the civil rights of the Crown, to the laws of the coun-
try opposed
and the peace of the State, were the authors who were
read, and whose doctrines were inculcated in the minds of
the students. Among the books returned as those studied
at the College, founded -with a view to liberalize the Ro-
man Catholics, were the works of Bellannine, Thomas
Aquiaan and others, in which were to be found the fol-
lowing doctrines He who owes anything to a heretic
by means of purchase, promise, pledge, deposit, loan, or
other contract, is, ipso facto, free from the contract, and
not bound to redeem his alighted faith, even though under
an Oath."—(Oh,
If Hon. Gentlemen doubted his
correctness, they would find the passage in the sth Bock
of Decrctals. Dr. Slevein, in page 220, said—" All who
separate from the body of the Roman Catholic Church ate
exanomunioeted. The Roman Catholic Church has the
same ppititual authority ever Protestants as over Catholics."
Dr. Sievein did uct positively assert there should be a c
ow-
Eseetion of property, yet the authorities referred to as
studied at the Coilege, instilled into the minds of the Al-
dents all these abominable doctrineas-4" Oh, oh to from
Mr. O'Connell.) No doubt the HOD. and Learned Ges-
tleman truly and sincerely repudiated such doctrines, but
what he (Mr. Colquhoun) regretted was, that they should
be inculcated in the College Was the object of Mr. Pitt
thereby attained? And if not, why were such books as
the secundum secunda of Thomas Aquinas in their bands?
The Noble Lord the Secretary for Ireland said, in the
last debate on this subject, that he did not think it impor-
tant to examine what books were read at the College of
blan'anntin Now, he was persuaded that if it were shown
that doctrines similar to those he had referred to, had been
promulgated in
the Universit of Oxford or of Ca y
rn.
bridge, they would meet with the vehement denunciation
of Hon. Gentlemen •
opposite.
dissolve the bond of secret • ow doctrines tend to
Maynooth had a most , and the books now used in
the clergymen
educated
inticieus inflce-tc© on the minds t
therefore a marked difference n bethtewteCollege. There tees
en the Cathaic clergy •