The Sun.
London, England, 1840-08-04 00:00:00

PVITSTN'G ETITTTOW.
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e; ,more objectionable, namely, that by which the Re.
Of Dublin was still permitted to retain his seat
11:idnal House. He had no objection to allow that Hon.
Learned Gentleman to enjoy that privilege, but he
hopedv the Noble Lord would introduce a provi;o topre-
eat any futur-a Recorder of Dublin from having a seat
i
that House.
Mr. ROCHE eutertained very considerable doubts
Whether the Bill, as it now stood, ought not to be re-
Jeeted by-that House.
h GRATTAN moved that the House disagree
owlitlretlhaenda-Tleieudment taking from the Lord Lieutenant
p.power of appointing the holding of Ses-
sions in nublintheLord MORPETH did not see any good reason for
amendment, but acting in the spirit of peace he
hoped bi T g Hon. Friend would not press his motion.
'he B;11 would be tried, and if in the case of Dublin it
was ,
fouran that the state of the gaols in that city re-
quired it, it would become the duty of the Government
t.,`", ask the Parliament to legislate for that case alone.
uPon such an understanding he hoped his Hon. Friend
would allow the Bill to although he maintained
Ills own opinions. proceed , a
R;Celonel PERCEVAL defended the character of the
gilt Hon. the Recorder of Dublin. It' he was to be
excluded from Parliament, let them take the manly
ti:Ourse indicated by the Noble Lord, and not exclude
„,lra by a side-wind: as the clause as it originally stood
"auk! have done. He was only sorry that the amend-
ments made by the other House wore not more extensive.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL disavowed that there was
anY intention to exclude Mr. Shaw from the House
When the Clause in question was originally framed. The
4°Putation had falla.n not only from the Hon. and
Vlant Member, but from a man the most eminent of
*u° Present day. He was glad to have the opportunity
of altogether disclaiming the imputation. His opinion
as to the sitting of the Judges in that House was well
known
; he thought it was a great loss to the House.
gut when they had excluded one Judge by Act of
'olianient was it consistent to turn round and say, be-
;4aBo an Hon. Member sruks for and acts with a par-
'e'aar party the House would not care for the manner
'll which his judicial functions were performed ?—( Hear,
hear.) The ease must again become matter for the
consideration o' the House.
Mr•GRAWAN withdrew his motion, and the Lords'
amendment was agreed to.
The other amendments were amended, and a Com-
mittee named to draw up reasons for their dissent from
some of the amendments of the Lords.
The Report of the Dublin Police Bill was brought up.
WAYS AND MEANS.
T:re. Order of the D,,y for going into a Committee
of Ways and Means having been read.
AA, LION BY rose to bring forward his motion
al?! an address to her
Majesty on the subject of' e
oegationt contained in
the petition of Mr.c Fcargusth
OConnor.
I.;10._uJI:11. RUSSELL suggested that the Hon lem-
her should
whso Postpo his motion till Wednesday next,
i e 'l,l PPortututy should be afforded him for bring-
n. torment.
:The motion was then postponed till Wednesday.
eerLtaoirnd sAN.DoN
then rose to state the case of
Polish refugees who had lately come into that
el4trY• The House was aware that many of these
;tohr:jur unite individuals had come to that country, not
the
own good will, but had bean driven there by
persecution of another Government. In 1834, a
:alter f
f
10,0004 was passed by that House for the
—4" oabout 466 Polish refugees. In the following
Year the number was 476 ; and in the following year
shwas 462. The events of Cracow, in 1837, raised
e number of Polish refugees very considerably, and
parliament and the country exercised its liberality by
raisi
rig the grant to 15,0001., and increased the number
f hPensioners to 646. Since then upwards of 160
ad left the country or died, and what he asked of theß
„'"i'ict Hon. Gentleman' was, that he would allow 52
tile unfortunate men, who were now in a state of
starvation in that country, without any means of sup-
!on, to be
placed upon the list, being in the propor-
so" of one to every three who had dropped off. The
.tight Hon. Gentleman bad taken a vote of 13,000/.
far the present year, and he did not ask him to increase
the amount of that vote, but to allow these 52 unfor-
tunate individuals to avail themselves of the benevo-
lence of Parliament and of the country. He trusted
1.6 House would sanction his RightHon.Fnin, to of
t
Friend in
departing from the resolution
freshthat
had
been n
L°t. Piecing upon the any
'ad been agreed to. He had no personal interest in
the matter, but he thought it was a case in which the
1.4,er Ilt .
of-a British House of Commons might. be
tairly xe ercis,d.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
'lid if a certain number of persons were added to the
list the natural consequence would be to increase the
t4Pcnse, and he,was not prepared to do that without A
!he sanction of a vote of the House. vote had been
taken with the understanding that it would be applied
ta the relief of a certain number of persons, and it
Would be a breach of faith to add a certain number of
el •
tatunnta upon that score. in 1834 a vote was taken,
"tlit was distinctly stated that it would be only for one
:`,;7* The application was renewed the following year,
vertain number of persons were stated as being
pensioners upon the grant. In 1838 the House was
again called upon, and gave way for the purpose of ad-
mitting the Cracow refugees. It was now asked to
that
an additional number, and it appeared to him
hilt it atv really necessary' that the line should be
h a somewhere or these applications would never
that 5,1 end.—(Hear, hear.) He had no doubt
at other means would be found by appealing
the benevolence of the public to afford assistance
to
these unfortunate men. The Noble Lord had
w-rthed
Is the vote a miserable sum, but he really thought
...men' the vote was now a permanent tax upon the cfionuann:
t"Y and considering the heavy claims upon their
es'thet he would not be justified in sanctioning any
furtheru grant.
zJia.rLA cIaimsNGuDALE thought the Poles had very
tie tomport theporanotthioant.country, and he should cer-
t; air, DIJNCOMBE said he had presented peti-
i
the rem several Poles of distinction, who stated that.
tl•c! had been struck off the list for their political opt-
ar,Lns' He believed that there had been a very unfair
wrilt?°Priation of the funds by some parties connected
iiitrinidurnoptatphioetrtteLneintietryary Association of Poland, and if ho had
it was his intention to have moved for a
rtsaoedinary of Inquiry upon the subject. These men
committed no crime, and he thought it most ex-
that they should have been struck off the
Irt
th without investigation. He trusted the Chancellor
eue t e lebequer would turn his attention to the
jeet.
deThe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER un-
of;')ed that the rattles of these parties had been struck
!" Misconduct. Seven had been struck off for
polvl4 presented forged passports, and one for writing
ennirtieal articles of a very inflammatory description, not
re,4eted with Poland. As they bad all been recom-
to eh ed bornhe Society in question, he could not object
_ erir
Mr. g struck eff by that A'ssociation.—(Hear.)d
4,4 • BRISCOE said that if the Noble Lord had
ele4 for an increase of the grant, he would have felt
naruid to oppose it. But he understood the Noble
e to state that there was an actual surplus of the
grant aheadeasinn
_;i made this year—that this snrplus was cc-
the e" by a reduction of the number for whose relief
ethea„ nt,wae made—and that there were a number of
their" 'vat) had come to this country utterly against
such will. and were actually starving in our streets. In
net a cage, surely, the Right Hon. Gentleman would
to jinfuse, when he had considered the case, to afford
that 'se men soma relief, from the surplus of the money
sitai,e,atlY been voted.
140 FRANCIS BURDETT (who was evidently
eredarmi: under severe illness) thought it would be dis-
til, r,lt4ble to the country if, under the circumstances,
salted "Im/eminent should refuse to give the assistance
by t for to those men who had distinguished themselves
a' tile most noble conduct. He hoped the Chancellor
the
be 10 .1.-'sehequer would reflect that much more would
Peru !It In character than could be saved in money, by
ebo sing the miserable pittance which was required for
liose fifty brave and suffering men—especially when the
01 use had already voted more than was required for
ekt'urPose
tt,;;r• ROBERT GORDON said he did not think
yetithat sum of 78,0001. which had been given for the
tan_ of the Refugees could be called a miserable p.it-
a,.2;!: He would ask the Hon. Member for Wiltshire
the the
grant to be perpetual ? Would it be said that
itmeelpieoaistont was always to be kept up ? It was. quite
ioerea %le, on account of the conditions upon which the
of the grant was voted by the House, that the
by r<quired for these fifty persons could be granted
Lae Government without a fresh vote of the House.
given. SANDON in reply observed that the sum
wor'cL to each Pole could only be designated, as in the
a raise°
tablhie ll Hon. Friend the Member for Wiltshire, as
Th_ pittance.
wan conversation then dropped, and the Committee
Tr and Means was postponed to Wednesday.
"q nether Orders of the Day were then disposed of,
use adjourned at Half-past Nine o'Olock.

I/ -.:oltor\lElt'S INQUEST.--SUDDEN DEATH.—
iSesterday an innuest was held at the Workhouse, Parish-street,
lt. ()lave's, before Mr. Payne, on the body of Thomast
pear", aged 36. The deceased was discharged from the
ne.
_ ancras Infirmary, on the 17;h of July, having been there m
A At' eIL riot
lik, h Thomas's Hospital, and seas admitted on the ground that
f,,_ had stricture of the urethra. This statement proved to be.
,`,.'e and beinn, afflicted with the itch, a com_plaint nor, IT
?"3ved into the'hospital, he was discharged. Ile was pubse-
,iiNenattluyrtaalken to the abo7e workhouse, but at five o'clock the
'.ext. morning he was found in his bed quite clead.—Verdict,
Death."
13RITISH NA VY.--It will be consolatory to our
r-k,ettiart.r3atteos ) know, that independent of the three flag-ships
which might be manned from the ordinaries, and
'ea in a week,nay in twenty-four hours, were the occasion
Zgh`l!'gent, we have now—five first-rates, one second rate, and
e, third-rates, in all fourteen sail of the line, and about
a 7,1, On heavy frigates, with every article of their furniture
o(ltlarrnarnent provided. These w,th the ships in comuli§-
th_ are sufficient of themselves to give a,good account of all
"e navy France ,possesses afloat —Aiwa/ and Mditar,y
Garotte

DINNER TO MESSRS. LOVETT

AND COLLINS.

A dinner was given !o Alvsrs Lovett and Collins yes-
terday, at White Conduit I-I,use, for the purpose of con.
gratulating them on their release From their imprisonment
in Warviick Gaol.

Tire Chair was takes by THOMAS WAKI.EY, Esq.,
M.P., on his sight sat Mr. Lovett, whose apoearance
showed that his health had been greatly injured by the
confinement and treatment he had undergone, and on the
left of the Chair was Mr. Collins, who, though much
thinner than before his confinement, did not appear to have
suffered so severely from it as Lovett. Mrs. Lovett and
her daughter were also present, as was Mr. Thomas Dun-
combo, M. P. for Finsbury, to whose great exertions in
their cause were to be attributed, in a great degree, the
abatement of the rigours of their confinement. Upwards of
1,200 persons sat down to a most excellent and substantial
repast. The entry of Love' t and Collins was hailed with the
most enthusiastic cheering and affectionate demonstration of
respect and esteem, the ardour of which was, however,
damped by the evidently ill state of health and acute
suffering of the former. The dinner having been des-
patched, and the cloth removed,
Mr. WAKLEY proposed the first toast, and was received
with the most enthusiastic applause. It was a great
gratification to him to pronounce the word Ladies in
addressing a public meeting in thia country. He deeply re-
gretted that they were not more frequently present to grace
and ornwent, and soften, their proceedings. He knew
not why they should be exeludr I from such assemblies, as
he knew whenever they happened to be present they cast
greater pleasure and happiness upon the cause they were
met to advocate. He was proud to see them there, be-
cause in a meeting of the Aristocracy they would not dare
entrust their wives and daughters among them. On an-
other occasion of this kind he would invite the Aristocracy
to come there and see how they conducted themselves.
There was nothing among working men so rude or ill.
be hayed as to render it necessary to exclude females.—
(Cheers.) The business of the meeting at the present
moment was not an idle and useless ceremony ; they had
not come there as a mere matter of form to attend a public
festival, but for the execution of a solemn national duty.
which was divided into two parts—First, To pay their re-
spects to men who have sincerely advocated their cause,
and had been martyrs to it.—( Cheers ) Secondly, To
hold out to the British people an example in these persons,
which was evr,rthy of imitation —( Cheers.) The first
toast he had to propose was one which related particularly
to themselves. It was one in which ail felt a deep inte-
rest, for, in point of fact, it was the toast of the people.
—( Cheers.) That was a fitting toast for such a meeting
as the present, and one which, at all meeting- of English-
men, ought to be drunk with enthusiasm.—( Cheers.) It
was not the t,ast of party or faction ; it was not the toast
that embraced only the section of the empire, but it compre-
hended the entire nation. If they assembled to advocate
any principles which related to less than the whole nation,
they would be unworthy of the good opinions of the coon-
try.—( Cheers.) It was not their wish to detract from
the welfare and happine.ss.of other men.—( Cheers.) He
had therefore to propose the toast of " The People, and
the full measure of their rights."—( Great cheering. )
The toast was given amidst the most enthusiastic ap-
plause. Air—The Marseilles Hymn.
Mr. WAKLEY then rose to propose the next toast.
They would not suppose for a moment that the Ladies
were not present.—(Laughter.) The present was
a very peculiar epoch in the history of the country.
Men were in the habit of declaring their conten-
tions. One nation doubted another. Millions con-
tended against millions, and the most powerful nation
on the face of the globe-was at the present moment under
petticoat government —( Laughter.) Did he, for one,
deplore that ? Not at all ; it was the best of all kinds of
government ; and if men would but be ruled by their wives
they would seldom do wrong. —( Laughter.) Thei e was
a little wife in this country who was then President, and
the Stewards were anxious on the present occasion that her
health should be drank. He was sure that toast would
meet with the approbation of every person present. It was
a splendid position to occupy the throne of so great a
country as England, but it was more splendid still for the
possessor of that throne to inherit a heart that felt for the
distress of the people. If the President of the na-
tion forgot her duty she ought to be told of it.
She was surrounded doubtless by persons who,
basking in the sunshine of courtly corruption, seldom, for
their own purposes, let her hear the truth.—(Cheers.)
But they would not allow her to be blinded as to what
was passing, and she would see, in the public records of
the day, what the desires ansl feelings of the people were
then at meetings of the present kind, where Englishmen
were enthusiastically congregated for the purpose of pay-
ing tribute to private worth, and the defenders of public
principles, and the people should' tell their Presi-
dent what were their feelings with regard to that
President's public duCes. In proposing to the present
meeting the toast of " The Queen" there had been an ad-
dition made to it which, he honeyed, all would deem to be
of importance. —( Cries of " No, no.") He agreed with
the person who said a No, no," and he would be the last
to propose the toast of the Sovereign of the country if
the conduct of the Sovereign had not been such as to ob-
tain his approval.—(Great confusion, cries of " Off, off,"
and " Hear the Chairman.") All that be asked of the
meeting was to hear the toast, and if they would not his
duty was ended.—( Considerable confusion—amid which
Mr. Wakley said,—Suppose it is proposed—( Increased
confusion)—only hear the toast, and then determine for
)ourselves, whether you will adopt it or not.—(Cries of
" No, no ; no health of the Queen ;" and considerable
confusion.) If they did not support him in the discharge
of his duty, he must abdicate his seat.—( Long
and continued cheering.) A toast had been put into his
hand by one of the Stewards—a man whom he had known
for many years, and he believed that a more respectable
man did not exist ; and he believed that the toast had met
with the approval and general concurrence of the stewards,
—(Cries of " No.") If such was not the case, then let
the stewards that were opposed to it hold up their hands ;
and if it was decided against, he would not put it.—
(Great confusion.) He only asked the meeting to hear
the toast before they condemned it; it was—" The Queen
and Prince Albert, and may they soon, as parents, feel
sympathy for those, who, having children, are confined
in prison for political offences."—(Great cheering.) He
thought the meeting would not dislike the toast, when
they had heard it. In every nation there must be some
ruling power, some ono who should be selected as their
guide. He was there as their direction post, and when he
pointed they
ought
to obey.
The toast was then carried, only 12 bands being held up
against it.
The CHAIRMAN said the next toast he had to propose
was with regard to the subject that had brought them there
that day—'e The healtlrof William Lovett and John Collins,
the uncomplerrising
"'friends of freedom."—(Cheers.)
Among the men who had struggled hard night and day for
the establishment of Liberal principles was Mr. Lovett—
( Great cheering.) rie had had the pleasure of knowing
him for many years, and Mr. Lovett had known him, though
not perhaps with equal pleasure, because he had not gone
on several occasions so far as Mr. Lovett bad done—
( Cheers)—in upholding the principles that he advo-
cated.—( Cheers.) It was true that be had not gone so
far, and he taken care not to do so, for the truth was, he
had no fancy for Warwick Gaol.—(Great laughter.) He
had no fancy for the dreadful punishment he had under-
gone, or the horrible and undeserved persecution he had
endured.—( Great cheering.) He (Mr. Wakley) had
endeavoured to keep out of the clutches of those harpies,
who would feel as much, if not more pleasure in feeding
upon his fat body, than upon Mr. Lovett's thin and
attenuated one. However, notwithstanding all this, he
could assure them that there was not a more sincere advo-
cate than himself of the people's cause, and he had yet to
learn that lie could best support the cause of the people by
being immured in the walls of a dungeon.—( Cheers. )
Mr. Lovett had suffered, not for his own offences, but for
the misconduct and folly of others, together with the mis.
taken zeal of many most excellent men—men who, he
would venture to say, were prepared to sacrifice
their lives for the benefit of their country.—

(Hear, and cheers.) Mr. Lovett was known to nearly the
whole of those who were presont ; he was one of the Na-
tional Convention of the working classes ; and, nine or
ten years ago, he had resisted, even to the sacrifice of all
he possessed, rather than obey a law in the making of
which he had no participation.—(Cheers.) He was drawn
in the militia, and for refusing to serve he was taken be-
fore the Magistrates ; they said they would make him
serve ; he refused to do so, stating that he would never be
the man to cut throats by hire.---( Cheers.) If a foreign
army came he expressed his readiness to fight if
the quarrel was just ; but he was the last man
who would cut the th-oats of his countrymen, because they
demanded their rights.—(Great che,.ring.) When the
Magistrates found they had so determined a man to deal
vv:th, they were glad to get rid of him, and desired the
officers to turn him out. Off he went, and so did his fur-
niture too; for immediately after he disappeared from the
police office, his furniture disappeared from his house.—
Cries of " Shame, shame.") It was a shame, but it was
a still greater shame that they allowed it.—( Cheers )
Notwithstanding this, Lovett was not to be intimidated,
but joined the union of the working classes, and aided in
the support of every principle that had for its object the
welfare of the people.—(Cheers.) They knew what he
had lately endured in consequence of the support of his
principles, and he (Mr. Wakley) thought, if any-
thing was wanted to show the necessity of an alte•
ration of that representative system, it was to
be found in the treatment which the political
I offenders had lately received.—( Cheers ) The Spanish
Inquisition was a treat compared with it.—(Cheers.)
There persons were killed in a short time; but the treat-
ment political offenders receiv-d caused a lingering death
—such a death as a poor Coroner like himself
notimself(ccouhleders. ;
take cognizance of after it had taken place.—(Cheers.
With respect to Mr. Collins, he had not the pleasure of
knowing him before that evening—though a brother in
principle, he was a stranger to him in per-
son till that time. He thought that Mr. Col.
lins must be a marvellously good man, for up to
the present hour the tongue of slander had not fixed one blot
on his good name; he had only been guilty in the eye of corrup-
tionists, of advocating the cause of the people; for that he
had been imprisoned, and whose release for that imprison-
ment they were then met to celebrate. What was it
they preached? Was it murder, robbery, rapine, or
bloodshed ? They preached no such thing—their motto
was, " Live and let live—(Cheers)—and happiness to the
greatest number."—(Continued cheering.) In raising
themselves to a higher position, they never were desirous
to step upon the necks of others ; they knew what it was
to work and gain their daily bread by toil, and all that they
wantea was to humanize those who knew not what
toil was. r-- (Cha,lrs,) Was there any man there,
he would ask, who woi.d.l be ashamed to-morrow
of what he had done that day'?--(Cheers.) Was society
in such a state in England that it was impossible to pay
respect to two deserving men It might be so to somn
hungry ruffians who surrounded the Court, but it could by
no disgrace or stigma to honest Englishmen.—(Cheers.)
He was proud and delighted to he there thatL day, and 4
gavenine himnut tohre h greatestis i
nfe r n a pleasure e
nt o; seeand. Nitlrg.av?oi,hei
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Ihmt thtoatbpeoaosr
!.asure to s„heearl:crt.el.Casolmlinr.s.LovHetet, teevtehdonhu
estimable «.