The Sun.
London, England, 1841-03-19 00:00:00

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, MARC,, 18.

The Earl of SHAFTESBURY took his seat on the
Woolsack at Five o'Cleck.
Messengers from the Gammons brought up the
Mutiny Bill, the Marine Mutiny Bill, the Rum Duties
Bill, the South Western Railway Amendment Bill, and
several private Bills, which were read a first time.
The Marquis of NORMAL BY laid upon the table
the nitieteeLth Report of the Inspectors General of
Prisons in Inland.
The Duke of ARGYLL presented several peti-
tions from places in Scotland, praying for the abolition
of Church patronage ; and one from a place in
Scotland, praying for an alteration of the of pa-
tronae. In the prayer of the latter, he fully con-
curred.

The Duke of CLEVELAND presented petitions
from Down, Stockton, and other pliees in Durham,
in favour of the Drainage of Houses Bill ; also a pe-
tition from a Surveyor of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, pray-
ing for an alteration or repeal of the Corn-laws.
The Bishop of BANGOR presented a petition from
the Clergy of Ang'ciec, praying that the propos:el
union of the dioceses of Bangor and St. Asaph might not
take place.
The Earl of ROSEBERY presented a petition
from some place in Scotland, in favour of a revision of
the Import Duties.
EAST INDIA. RUM DUTIES BILL.

The Marquis of LANSDOWNE moved that the
East India Ruin Duties 13A, which hal that night been
brought up from the House of Commons and real a
first time, should be printed ; and he gave notice that he
should move that it be read a second time on Tu,:sday
next.

POOR-LAWS (IRELAND).
The Marquis of NORMANBY said that before
his Noble Friend opposite moved that the exa-
mination of Mr. Stanley be resumed, he thought it
right to state to their Lordships that be bad received
a letter from Mr. Shaw Le fevre, one of the Poor-law
Commissioners, as to the emission of a paragraph in
one of the letters which had been 1 lid before their
Lordships. That get tleman stated that himself and
Mr. Lewis had looked ovar the returns, and that
they had approved of the omission of the para-
graph in question, as it had no relation wlitvever
to any mance connected either with the election of
of Poor-law Guardian for Clonmet, or t 3 any proceed-
ings connected with the Poor-law. Their Lordships
had the letter now printed in their hands, and the pas-
sage in question merely stated that the writer had seen
the Attorney-General three t mes, who had seemed
writ disposed towards him, but that nothing had been
done, and requesting that the person to wham the let-
ter was addressed would, if he saw the Attorney-
General, remind him. Under these circumstances, the
Poor-liw Commissioners had omitted that portion which
they considered a privet,: itt e-. With regard to
Mr. Nicho,l,, that gentleman's return to Ireland
had been delayed for a few days, and he was still
in London. He made that announcement in order that
any Noble Lord might have as opportunity of examin-
ing that gentleman if it should be thought requisite.
Tee Duke of WELLINGTON thought he had
better appear at the Bar. O.te observation had struck
him forcibly as most important while the Noble Mar-
quis was reading the letter, it was this—it was obvious
from that letter that this Mr. Butler was a dealer in
politics, and if he recollect al rightly, that on which
the Pour-law Commissioners for Ireland prided them-
selves—that which they had said over and over again,
was, We must take care to have nothing to say to po•
liticians ; and, with that lcVer before them, they ap-
pointed this person. .Teat showed how necessary
it was that the Act---iit- Parliament should to
obeyed, in order that ail the motives to these
appointments might be mode distinet'y apparent.
Tneir Lordships ought to have before them the whole
proceedings of the Board, so that they might know the
motives of the appointment, and what was the character
of the individual. The clause in the Act of Parlia-
ment was little obeyed in Ireland, and he was afraid
as little in England—(Hear)—so that there was no
tracing any act of the Cornmiss'oners, as every thing wits
iu their bands. In fact, tatty might do what they pleased.
Lord ELLEN BOROUGH entirely disagreed with
the Noble Marquis that the omitted paragraph was
unconnected with the appointment. He thought that
when Butler inserted the paragraph is his letter to
Mr. Phelan, what was in his mind wee, that when Mr.
Phelan showed it to the Attorney-General, fie I itter
would say, " It is true he has ht ea of use to me in Clon-
me!, and he is a very troublesome fjow. It would
be quite as well to get rid of him at once, field if you
can give him the [dice, it would be a great relief to
mc."—( A laugh.)
Tne Marquis of NORMANBY agreed with the
Noble Dake that the construction might be put upon
the letter that Mr. Butler was a partizan, and that it
was the duty of the Commissioners to select persons
for the °Elle() who were not partizans, if such could be
found la Ireland.—(Hear, and a laugh.) He believed
that Mr. Fennell, the opponent of Mr. Butler was also
well knotNn as a partizan.—(Bear, hear.)
The Earl of GLENG AL L assured the Noble Ma:-
quis that such was not the fact.—(Ue tr, hear.)
The Marquis of NORMANBY had heard the
name very often in connexion cstith the party politics of

Gentritl.
Tire E trl of GLENGALL—That was the name of
his hrother.—(Laughter.)
The Marquis of NORM ANBY had not known
that there were two Fennells, but he knew that there
was one of the name a partisan, if not two. There
was no proof present that the Commissioners ever
taw the letter to Mr. Phelan.
Lord FITZGERALD said the witness Stanley
stated that the appointment had taken place upon the
recommendation of M-. Phelan.—Heir.)
The Earl of GLENGALL said that Mr. Phelan
must have known that Mr. Butler was a politician.
He either proposed or seconded the Member for tine
Borough of Clonmcl.
The Marquis of NORM ANDY said there was no
evidence to show that the Poor-law Commissioners
knew him to be a politician.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH said that Mr.
Butler seemed capable of producing- proof of en extra-
or.linary nature, for he stated to the Poor-law Commis-
sioners not only at he did not attend any polit.eal
meetings, but that he did not belong to any politic4l
party whatever.
Mr. Stanley was then called in and his evidence
resumed.
By the Earl of GLENGALL—He held in his
hand the letter of Mr. Bagwell to the Poor-law
Commissioners, in which he stated that on minute
inquiry he had found that Mr. Butler was an unfit
person for the office of returning officer of the Clonmel
Union, for reasons which he need not state. Mr. Nicholls
had seen that letter. Mr. Nicholls had been previously
in London, but he had returned by the middle of
March, and the le!t,lr was then shown to him. Mr.
Nicholls had written a letter to Mr. Hawley inquiring
into the qualifications of Mr. Butler, and stating that a
neutral man would be on all occasions best fitted
for offices under the Poor-law, and that party men
should be avoided. Mr. Hawley stated in reply,
in a letter which was dated from Tipperary, that
Mr. Butler was nephew of the Roman Catholic
Archbishop, Mr. Slattery, and that he had been strongly
recommended to them. He said that he was a re-
spectable person, and had been imprnp:.‘rly complained
of by Mr. Bagwell, and that the complaint could only
have reference to the Prelate above-mentioned. Mr.
Hawley thought that his appointment gave general satis-
faction in Clonmel. The Commissioners directed Mr.
Hawley to inquire into the qualification of Mr. Butler,
and did not to his knowledge consult I\lr. Phelan on
the subject up to that time. They had no Report but
that from Mr. Hawley.
By a NOBLE PEER—Nor had he any reason to sup-
pose that any other inquiry bad been instituted.
By the Duke of WELLINGTON—Mr. Nicholls
had not at that time before him the letter from Mr. But-

ler to' Mr. Phelan, dated February 6, 1839. His belie
was that Mr. Nicholls had never seen that letter unti.
it had been moved for in the return presented to otho.
House. It was then obtained from the Assistant-Cm
TIIE ENGAGEMENT—This new novel seems missioners.
to be generally considered the most successful first produc- By Lord ELLENBOROUGIT—He could not say
lion we have had since the days of " Tremaine" and at what pbad been referred lace Mr. Hawley was
twasi m. e mig when the letter of Mr.
" Pelham " The Naval and Military oxen- observes Bagwell
thA —" For sketches of English so ,at once brilliant been in Clonmel that day, and the H
next evening In
hhteni have
and true, for picture; of hums sion at once lofty and
Ti erar .
If it had been sent to any other . This letter was referred to Mi !r. H
er p
_ aweleeyhu
ir ppalont
imaginative enough far the .est poetry, yet real enough the 14thy
to satisfy the most rigi esker after the actual truth of
Ti erary, it would not have bern receive! by 11 .
every day life—for d atic spirit in the conduct of indi-
HaP ufley until the 16th, the day on which he answere'l
victual scenes—fo ilosophical acumen and accuracy
the dcliaratipwvof' individual characters—for pungency ic,if it.
wit, playfulness, and humour, and general grace of style— they had made further inquiries. He believed they had
The Commissioners stated in their answer that
but they expecteind
eNlilr.
qieugiruyirywas to be
for all these high aid rare qualities we have nothing equal not made further inquiries,
He could not say how they
to 'Tie Engagement' since the appearance of ' Tremaine' Hawley had done so.
and ' De Vese.'" could have supposed that, as Mr. Ha.wley had done so,
themade tn
DR. CROLY'S " PERSONAL HISTORY OF he not being in the plinaicgehtwhheanve
Gamin% IV."—We are requested to state that "The Per- made. Mr. Hawley
to Tipperary on 0 1 )n-
-1 s-mal Hi'tory of George the Fourth," by the Rtv. George mel, and returned -le 6th, and
Croly, Second Edition. in 2 vols. small 8v,)., price 213., written his letter on the evening of that day.
e Commi
is published this day by Mr. Colb re, of Great Marl- By Lord FITZGERALD—Th - •
i . ssioners
I.
borough-street, and may now ad of all booksellers. had no idea that sufficient nqutry had not been made
Mr. Colburn has also ' ready for publica•im " The by Mr. Hawley.
French Stage and t iench People." edited by Theo- By Lord ELLENBOROUGH—The Commis-
dose Hook, Es n 2 vole, small Svc); and" De Clifford,
sioners, in their letter of the 18th, stated not only that
or the Censt t Man," a novel, by R. Plumer, Ward,
they had made further Ir.€l'll • '
re-
Esq., aut licr of " Tietnaine," " Do Vere," &e, , eeived strong reem 'rY, but that they had re-
imendations in favour of Mr. Butler.
GERMAN OPERA.—Her Majesty will honour r He believed the Conamis6on further
ers had made no
but they
, this entertainment with he pre=sence its ll- enee to-night. inquiries themselves,
might have inquired
Royal Highness the
I Wednesday cvcniug'' of Cambridge was there on i through the Assistant-Commissioners, who could have
I Wednesday evening.