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MOTION RESPECTING SOUTH AMERICA.

• Sir J. MACKINTOSH, in rising to withdraw a notice which
ha had given, hoped he might be indulged with the permission
of the House to offer a few observations on the causes of' his
doing so. Since he gave the notice some important declarations.
•had been made by Ministers. He would not name the occasion,
the places, or the time when these were made; but in his judg-
ment, according, to his recollection and understanding of them,-
it had intimated that if any considerable armament left the ports
of Spain for South America, while the French army remained
in Spain, such armament would not be regarded by this GoVern-
ment as really Spanish, and would consequently come within
the view taken of the subject of foreign interference in the last
dispatch of Sir Charles Stuart. This had a great etTect on
his mind. It so narrowed the question relative to practical
hostilities and hostile menace, that it would not become him' to
ta!ze a course which would make it appear in foreign countries
that after such a declaration as that to which he had alluded,
'the intentions of the Government were mistrusted at home.—
lie had heard from a private, but in his judgment trust-worthy
quarter, that one of the Great Powers of , the Continent had
(Unlined being a party to the threatened Congress on the affairs
of South America. This, as he had Stated, came to him from
-11 private qnarter, and had not the sanction of official audio-
tit/ ; but believing it entitled to credit, as he did, it cer-
tamly had some weight with him. He could not say that
conduct would be at all influenced by the ambiguous lan-
guage wench he found in the speech of the French King. Had
tie words used by him, or his Ministers, been more precise
than they were, after tire language which they had held in the.
yeses No') and 1823, he could not say that he should have had
any reliance on their professions. The circumstances to which
lie had referred, induced him to withdraw his notice. He
rnight, if he thought proper, put it off to a future day, but he
thought the mere proper and manly course was to withdraw it
altogether. Poing this he looked up to Government fbr an
early recognition of the independence of the New States of South
America, reserving to himself, of course, the right of giving a
niew notice on this subject if, in his judgment, the course of
events should make it expedient to do so.
Mr. Secretary CANNING said his Hon. Friend had unques-
tionably a rinht to withdraw, to postpone, or to bring, on the
Motion, of which he had given notice. If he had decided on
Making it, an opportunity wculd have been afforded_ to him of
debating it, and perhaps the course he had now taken presented
seine facilities for delivering his sentiments on the subject.—
But, upon the whole, he thought he'should -best perform his
duty by abstaining altogether from offering any remarks nn
this occasion. He would only desire that the -Honse would be
as_ food as to bear in mind the former debates which had taken
place, and the public declarations of his Majesty's Minister;,.
and judge of their policy and conduct by these, and not from
any opinions formed, or inferences drawn, by his lion. Friend,
the correctness of which he would neither ahirm nor deny.
BOUNTIES.
Mr. MABERLY, on presenting a petition respecting the
duties which affected the Shipping interest, thoUght, as the
duties taken off' had undergone considerable discussion, it might
.be proper that those bounties proposed to be repealed, should
he debated, and wished to know when the Chancellor of the
Exchequer thought these could be conveniently taken ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought the
most convenient time Would be when the Bill to which the
question of the Hon. Gentleman related should be in a Com-
mittee: In that Committee the Hon. Gentleman could not
bring forward any specific motion with respect to the duties
on Hemp and Fiax, to which he understood him particularly
too.efer, but they could then be discussed.
Mr. liIJME, on the presentation of a petition from certain
Ship Owners and others relative- to the duties which press on
the shipping interest, reminded the Chancellor of Inc Exehe-
Tier of a pledge given last year to take this subject into con-
sideration, and hoped that pledge would shortly be redeemed,
and that measures would be taken to relieve the shipping inte-
rest cf this country, so as
_to enable the British ship builder
to compete with the foreign ship builder.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated- the
subject to have been under consideration, and admitted it to
one which deserved the attention cf the House. This was all
which he could say. now.
Mr. BRIGH T trusted the Right Hon. Gentleman would
give them- hopes that something would be done in the course of
the present Session.
After a few words from Mr. HusrE and Mr. GRANT, the
Petition was read and ordered to lie on the table.

Mr. Alderman HEYGATE presented a Petition from the
Licensed Victuallers of the Borough of Sudbury, praying the
repeal of the Excise Licence Duty.—Ordered to be printed.
Colonel WOOD presented a Petition from James Williams
and certain Wool Staplers at Radnor, praying for a drawback
of the duty on their stock in hand.—Ordered to lie on the table.
Air. BuTTERWORTH presented a Petition from the in-
habitants of Hammersmith against the continuance of Slavery
in the West Indies.—Ordered to-lie on the table.

GAME LAWS.
Mr. MONCK presented a Petition from certain owners and
occupiers of -land in the County of Berks against the Game
Laws' Amendment Bill, in which the Petitioners called on the
House to mark their contempt for the provisions of that Bill,
and expressed -a perAuasion that such a one would never have
been even presented -to a House of Commons, which was freely
chosen by the people at large.—The Petition was ordered to
be printed.

ASSESSED TAXES.
Lord CLIFTON presented a Petition from the Inhabitants
of Canterbury against the Assessed Taxes. The Noble Lord
briefly set fords the claims of the Petitioners to the relief they

prayed ; and, not suggesting any thing himself, recommended
the subject to the consideration of the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer.
Mr. MA BERIX said when he had lately given notice of a
motion for the repeal of all the Assessed Taxes, it was re-
ceived with a general laugh from the Gentlemen opposite.—
The Chancellor cf the Exchequer had manfully braught for-
ward his plan for the relief of' the public, and the moment that
bad passed, and halls the window tax had been repealed, the
Commissioners or Texes'went to work to -endeavour to bring
what remained of the Assessed Taxes up to the former amount
of the whole. The Chancellor of the Exchequer had sanc-
tioned this proceeding from a wish to eqUelize the duties. But
what became of this principle, when he (Mr. M.) brought for-
ward-his motion relatives to the duties on malt and beer? The
measure now taken to equalize the Assessed Taxes would, he
doebted, finish by increesing the house tax from 25 to 50 per cent.
He Was glad to Ivied the people began to understand what was
meant by equalising. He thought the Right Hon. Gentleman
ought to have looked. if it- were not possible' to reduce the
House Tax before he expended 900,0001. on building Churches
and repairing Palaces, and before he made that injurious con-
tract with the Bank, by which 1,500,0001. was lost to the pub-
lic. lie wished the Sinking Fund to be abandoned, and if
that fraudulent Sinking Fund were properly applied, the
3,900,0001. raised by the Assessed Taxes might be remitted
to the public. The people would apply the amount better than
by purchasing Stock at 901. or 95/., which had been created for
551. The Chancellor of the Exchequer could not continue to
go on at this rate. Some such measure as had been suggested
ought to be adopted, and be thought when any thing of the
kin was proposed, it ought not to meet with such unmannered
treatment (he did not impute it to the Right Hon. Gentleman)
as to be laughed at.
The CIIA.NCELLOB. of the ENCIIEQUER was obliged
to offer a few words, though it was not a convenient mode of
bringing to debate such a variety of subjects. As to the un-
mannered conduct complained of, if the notice of the Hon.
Gentleman had celled forth a smile from that side.of the House,
he did not know that he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) had
joined in it, and he believed it wholly to have arisen from his
having fixed it for a day on which the House never sat—the
day on which his Majesty's Birth was celebrated. If then the
Hon. Gentleman charged him with acting the unmanly part
described, he could not plead guilty to the charge. Neither
could he admit that be was well grounded in supposing the
survey which had been ordered was to increase the amount of
the Assessed Taxes ; as he had already stated the real object
of it was to reduce the tax if possible, and thus save the people
money instead of taking it from them.
Mr. INIA.I3ERIN had not said the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer himself laughed when his (Mr. Maberly's) notice was
given ; but if by what he had nowt said be meant to get rid of
the charge for his 'colleagues' he (Mr. Moberly) begged most
distinctly to say, that when he gave his notice they did laugh.
—(A laugh.)
Mr. fIUME wished the Right Hon. Gentleman to take off-
all the Assessed 'faxes.

Sir T. LETHBRIDGE hoped in another year to get rid of
the Assessed Taxes. He thought it possible to do without
them. Without giving up the Window Tax, however, there
was a way of relieving the public by allowing all windows
which had been stopped up on account of the tax, to be now
opened without exposing the inhabitants of the houses to
which they belonged to an additional charge. This relief might
be afforded with great advantage to the public, and without
injury to the revenue.
Mr. N. CALVERT would not call for the repeal of the As-
sessed Taxes till the duties on malt, salt, coals, candles, and all
exciseable articles had been entirely taken off.
Sir .1. YORKE said, if the Hon. Gentleman who had just
spoken would pledge himself that manufactured articles would
be sold one penny cheaper in consequence of the repeal of those
duties which he wished to see abandoned, he (Sir J. Yorke)
would join hand in hand with him to call for their reduction.
The petition was ordered to be printed.
LEATHER DUTIES.

Sir H. PARNELL presented a petition from certain Tan-
ners, complaining of the Leather Duty, and the mode of col-
lecting in Ireland.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated the
subject to be under the consideration of Commissioners, whose
report was shortly expected.
After a few words from Mr. T. Ettas and lir. CALCUAFT,
who announced it to be his intention to bring the subject before
the House after the Easter- recess, the petition- was ordered to
be printed.
Sir M. W. RIDLEY presented a petition from certain
Tanners of Newcastle against the Hides and Skins Duty.—
Ordered to lie on the table.

TURNPIKE • ROA-Ds.
Mr. CRIPPS took a view of the Acts relating to the Turn-
pike Roads, pointed out certain defects which he wished to
correct, and moved for leave to bring in a Bill to consolidate
and amend the several Acts relating to Turnpike Roads passed
in the 3d and 4th years of George the Fourth.
Mr. T. LEWIS explained the course he had formerly been
induced to take in order to amend these laws. He was happy
to resign the task to the Hon. Gentleman, but suggested that
another Session or two ought to elapse before they were again
altered, in order that the effect of the present laws might be
better known.

Sir M. W. RIDLEY thought it would be advisable to with-
draw the motion for the present.
Mr. Secretary PEEL was of the same opinion, and was con-
fident the lion. Gentleman would readily acquiesce in a sug-
gestion which he would feel was thrown out for the public good.
Mr. CRIPPS hoped, if nothing occurred in the course of the
summer to alter his opinion, that in the next Session his motion
would not he opposed, and for the present most cheerfully con.
sented to withdraw the motion.
EDUCATION IN IRELAND.

Sir J. NEWPORT rose to call the attention of the House to
a subject of considerable importance, which required not elo-
Oucmce to entitle it to their attention—the state of Education
in Ireland. In discussing this subject, he would abstain from '
every thing likely to create an acrimonious feeling, and view
the improprieties which had occurred, as the result of mea-
sures adopted with the best intentions. He stated this sub-
ject to have been taken up in_l7B7, and described the mea-
sures pursued. in consequence of the determination,then come
to by the Government and Parliament of...lreland. An Act had
passed to give effect to the resolutions to which he had alluded,
which was continued by two other Acts of Parliament up to
the year 1796, whets the last of them was suffered to expire.—
In 1805 the subject was again taken up ; Commissioners
were appointed, among whom was found that great name -for
Ireland—the nanie.of Mr. Grattan. These reports were made
by the Commissioners at different periods which came before
that House in April, 1809.. He then noticed the appointment
of Commissioners of education in 1812, read passages from
some of their Reports, and strongly supported their recom-
mendation that the people of Ireland should be educated un-
' der the same system, and under the same establishment, that all
classes might avail themselves of the advantages of instruc-
tion. This could only be effected by avoiding all religious te-
nets, and even the appearance of seeking to make proselytes.
—lt would appear, upon an examination of the Royal schools,
that they were in an imperfect state, very expensive, and hav-
ing very few scholars. Where the Royal munificence had
extended endowments, tuition ought to be moderate in its Ca-
pence, and rendered easily available. There was a great ob-
jection in the body of the people to have gratuitous instruction,
for their children, and when such an honourable feeling existed
among the people, it was still more the duty of the Legisla-
ture to extend education upon the lowest possible charge.—
The .Right Hon. Bart.thenread extracts from the 14th Report,
shelving the anxious disposition of the people to give educe-
tien to their children, and the opinions of individual Gentle-
men appended to that Report, as to the proper regulations for
feneral national schools. They recommended that no reli-
gious distinctions should be made, and that the children should
• be taught the four great points, of duty towards God, duty
towards each other, duty towards their . country, and duty
towards the Government. By the last returns it was seen that
at the endowed schools there were very few free scholars.—
They found six in one, thirteen in another, and nine.ein
another. Now he considered that where the Royal munia-
cence had provided emoluments for the matters, the terms
ought to be so moderate as to come within the common means
of the great body of the people. The Right Hon. Baronet
alluded to the Reports of some London Companies, the Fish-
mongers and Drapers, upon the subject of education in Ire-
land, and stated that the soundness of their principles and the
correctness of their views would do honour .to any Statestpen
in Europe. This was not his own opinion merely, but one which
had also been declared by his Noble Friend, the Chancellor
of the University of Oxford. He was afraid that a good deal
of jealousy and distrust had been expressed in Ireland upon
the subject of extending education. But it was only just for
the House to make allowance, and remember that they were
Protestants, and that they were legislating for a large majority
of people holding diErent religious opinions. It was their duty
to endeavour to abate the jealousyeand not to make it a ground
for refusing the education. It appeared that education was mak-
ing some progress, and that a great many schools had been esta-
blished upon private foundations. There Valg an individual, iiu 111-
ble in rank, an inhabitant of the city he had the honour to repre-
sent, who was originally a butcher, and thence becoming a drover,
had realised a certain quantum of property which he devoted to
the support of schools. As a mark of the benefit which these
schools conferred upon society, he would mention that the
Quakers always took the boys educated at them in preference to
any others, for their good moral and orderly conduct. In Tuam
there were 116 Roman Catholic schools, and in another dio-
cese 159, containing together 21,000 scholars, who were taught
reading, writing, and arithmetic, at the rate of twenty shillings
per year each. He felt it was the duty of the Legislature to un-

dertake this subject, and be saw two modes in which it might
be done. The one was by a Committee of the House, the other
by a Commission to proceed to the spot, and to report their opi-
nions to the House. A Coineaittee, he was aware, would bet-
ter attract the public attention of this country to the subject,
but a Commission was preferred by those who were entrusted
with the Government of the country, and whose peculiar care
it was to watch over its tranquillity and happiness. There
was another ground upon which he made up ilia mind, in fa-
vour of a Commission ; and that was the great advantage which
Ireland had derived from the labours of two other Commis-
sions, which were appointed to inquire into the Courts of
Justice and the Revenue of Ireland. Of the good which had
been done by the latter, and of- the readiness with which the
Government had carried its recommendations into effect, it was
impossible that any man should say too much in praise. After
thanking the House for its attention, the Right Hon. Baronet
concluded by moving " That an humble Address be presented
to his Majesty, praying that he will be graciously pleased to
issue a Commission under the great seal for enquiring into the
nature and extent of the several institutions in Ireland, esta-
blished for the purposes of education, and how far they are
either wholly or in part -supported by the public funds ; for
enquiring into the state of the diocesan, and district schools,
and the nature of the instruction there given ; for ascertaining
what regulations will be fitting for the parochial schools, and
to report such measures as can be adopted for extending the
benefits of education to all .parts of the people; and that his
Majesty will be graciously, pleased to order and direct the pro-
ceedings of such Commission to be laid before Parliament."
Mr. GOULBU RN highly complimented the tempey and mo-
deration of the conciliatory speech by which the Right Hon.
Baronet had prefaced his /notion. If education was a subject
of high importance here, bow much more was it so in Ireland,
where its first object was to raise the people to a level in ac-
quirements and tranquillity with the people of this country:—
He agreed with the Right Hon. Baronet that all irritating
t9pics ought to be avoided when treating of this question, and
he should think himself highly Culpable if he made use of any
expressions calculated to disturb the unanimity which ought to
prevail. The greatest anxiety was known to exist on the part
of the people of Ireland to Procure 'education, and great pro-
gress towards affording it had certainly been made. The atten-
tion of the higher classes had been more called to the subject,
and the Legislature had likewise seen the necessity of inter-
posing. He should content himself with expressing his con-
currence -in the motion, and with once more acknowledging
the temperate, judicious, and manly speech with which the
Right lion. Baronet had introduced it to the House.
Mr. J. SMITH said, that in consequence of the manner in
which the motion had been, met, he should not detain the House
with what he had intended to say upon the subject. lie felt
grateful for the concession which the Government had made;
but while speaking upon the subject of Education, in Ireland,
he could not help expressing his surprise at the manner in which
the House had heretofore neglected it. 'He recollected hearing
some years ago a very eloquent speech from a Right Hon. Gen-
tleman, at that time connected with Ireland, setting. forth the
advantages of education. But he had since looked in vain for
the effects of any practical measures adopted by that Right
Hon. Gentleman in an improved tranquillity of the country._
They could never expect the people of Ireland to change their
habits, unless they taught them how to do better. To use a
familiar comparison, they had their dogs and their horses train-
ed before they expected them to contribute to their pleasure or
use. But man—man alone, was to be left a prey to his own
natural vices and fullies, and then came hanging or transport-
ation for acts which they had not taught him to avoid. While
people were kept in this state of darkess, and we neglected to
educate them, he protested against the application of our bloody
and ferocious laws. He confessed that he should have prefer-
red the appointment of a Committee before sending out a Com-
mission. A Committee of that House, he thought, was always
sure to get at the whole truth of any thing that came before
them. He trusted that in the nomination of the Commission,_
the Government would exercise that candour and fairness which
alone could make its services of value.

Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that from the course which the
debate had taken, he should not have troubled the House but
for an observation addressed personally to him by the Hon.
Gentleman opposite, who charged him with having made a
speech in favour of Education, and then with not having acted
upon it, because they saw no consequent increased tran-
quillity in Ireland. He begged to observe, that whatever
might have been dope since that period, the visible effects
of s
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of education could not yet be expected to appear. But he
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was anxious to convince the Honourable Member that he had
not neglected to. act up to the sentiments expressed in that
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prevented the recurrence of the abuses they exposed.
turning the other part of the subject in his mind with theter
greatest anxiety, he was afraid that the then state of public
feeling would not permit that he should propose another Act
for the appointment of Commissioners to regulate the educa-
tion of Ireland. There was at that period so much distrust
and jealousy abroad, that he felt, instead of advancing the
cause of education, he should only be doing it disservice. To
shew the extent of progress which education was making in he-
' land, he mentioned that a society composed of persons of dia.
rent religious persuasions, established in 1816, three hundred
and twenty schools. Their object always was to have a system
which would at the earliest period of age unite the Protestant
and Catholic, so that they might afterwards grow up in amity.
He wished to see the instruction in such schools founded upon
true Christian principles, hut for religious doctrines to be left
to the Pastors of the different sects. In the Society he had
named, the number of schools grew in two or three years to 513 ;
the next year it was 727, and last year the number increased to
1,108. There were other institutions its the country which had
likewise forwarded the interests of education. The best way,
therefore, was to examine into their several merits, and adopt.
such plans as appeared most eligible. Let them enquire—let
them appoint Commissioners on whom they could rely, and then
they should know how to act with safety and with satisfaction.
He agreed that the utilitYof the measure would greatly depend
upon the constitution of the Commission.
Mr. BROWNLOW thought the only hope for Ireland was
in a liberal and complete system of education. He should
object to any plan which did not combine and unite the Pro-
testant and Catholic in one establishment. Any attempt at
having separate schools for the two classes, he should consider
as a wretched and wicked s-stem of perpetuating the feelings
of animosity which every 'honest man desired to suppress.
He would never consent to any specious plan of morality
without religion ; for although instances were pointed out,
such as Mr. Hume and Others, of men who were good moral
characters without religion
' . yet he defied any man to point
out to him the people who were ever permanently great
and happy, and were religious instruction did not form a
part of their education. He wished it to be distinctly under-
stood that lie desired no conversion or proselytism, and least
of all the conversion of boys at school. The Hon. Member
concluded by complimenting the Right Hon. Baronet upon the
manner in which he had brought forward the motion, and ex-
pressed great pleasure in agreeing with his opinions.,
The Motion was then carried unanimously.
LA 130 URING POOR.
Lord JOHN' RUSSELL presented a petition from Mathew
Philips, civil engineer, praying that the House would order an
enquiry into the condition of the Labouring Poor—Ordered to
be printed.
Lord J. RUSSELL then prefaced the following motion by
some observations, which were so frequently inaudible that we
could not catch their tenour :—" That a Select Committee be
appointed to enquire into the condition of the Labouring
Classes, with a view to the practice of paying the wages of
Labourers out of the Poor Rates, and to report their observa-
tions thereupon to the House."
Mr. Secretary PEEL suggested that some alteration in the
wording of the Inotion would be necessary, as it proposed to
enquire into the condition of the labouring classes without
limit—a sea on which they would be embarking as it were
without chart or compass. He thought it would be better to
have some such words as these t—" That a Select Committee
be appointed to inquire into a practice which prevails in some
parts of the country of paying wages for labour out of the poor
rates, and to consider what measures may be carried into exe-
ution for the purpose of altering that practice."
Lord J. RUSSELL adopted the proposed words, the mo-
tion was agreed to, and a Committee was accordingly ap-
pointed.
Sir H. HARDINGE obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
remove doubts as to certain property formerly vested in Bar-
rack property, andnow transferred to the Ordnance. _

CRO-IiER obtained leave to bring in a Bill to enable
the Commissioners for Victualling the Navy to purchase certain
premises for the Navy Victualling Office near Ply Mouth.
SILK DUTIES BILL.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER moved the
third reading of the Silk Duties Bill.
Mr. DAVENPORT made a few observations upon the Bill.
After a few words from Mr. BILIGIIT,
Mr. P. MOORE thought more time ought to be given than
was proposed by way of experiment.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
GAME LAWS.

I Mr. S. WORTLEY Moved the recommitment of the Game
Laws Amendment M.—Agreed to. And the House being in
a Committee, some verbal amendments were agreed to.
On the clause describing the animals to be treated as game,
Lord MILTON opposed the clause as an enormous ex-
tension of the Game Laws. It proposed the extending those
ilaws to woodcocks and other animals not now treated as
game. The business of the House ought to be to attend to
the interests of the people, and not to those of Sporting

Gentlemen alone. He objected, therefore, the applying of
those laws to animals not now the subject of them. He object-
ed indeed to almost every clause in the Bill. He did not wish
to legislate upon the subject at all. He wished if possible to
do away with all legislation upon this unpopular subject. The
only good principle in the Bill was, the licensing of the sale of
game; though he thought the proposed mode of licensing ca-
pable of amendment. The whole of the present laws excited
horror and disgust.
Sir JOHN-SE BRIGHT thought these laws were deservedly
unpopular, because they gave the game to a privileged class.—
The game was bought, would be, and ought to he bought.—
(Hear, hear !)—He, for one, was prevented sheaving civility
to many of his friends, merely because they were not qualified.
It often happened that a pauper was qualified, while a man of
respectability and property was not allowed to shoot on his own
land. lie highly approved of the Bill.
Lord .111 I LT 0 Nexpla!iried.
. _

Mr. S.'WORTLEY denied that the animals alluded to by
the Noble Lord were made game by the Bill. It only made
them the property of the owner of the soil.
Mr. BERNAL thought the clause should be cautiously
worded, as the taking away of this property, by a trespass,
might, in some cases, he considered a felony.
Mr. S. WORT LEY expressed his readinass to remove every
doubt on this subject.. . . _ _

Mr. JONES denied that the taking of this property would
be felony as the clause now stood.
Mr. BRIGHT Mr. 111b)tcx, and Mr. BERNAL, exchanged
a few words, when it was agreed to leave out the names of all
the animals not considered as game at the common law.

Sir J. WROTTESLEY Objected to the........e of the
clause, because it interfered with the vested rights of Lords of
Manors.
Mr. GOULBURN also objected to this part of the Bill.
Mr. BERNA L denied that the Clause interfered with mano-
rial rights. A lord of the manor had no rights over the game
on the land of his tenant if the tenant chose to forbid him.
Lord MILTON was convinced that the Bill would trench
upon manorial rights, and not answer the desired object,
namely, clearing the gaols of offenders committed under the
Game Laws. .

Mr. PEEL was disposed to support the views,of his Hon.
Friend (Mr. S.. Wortley.) .
Sir JOHN SE BRIGHT was perivaded the Bill, whatever
might be its fate, out of doors would meet the approbation of
the country.

11.1r.6.13ANKES was of opinion that all property which
had been handed down from father to son, ought to he protect-
ed. He did not think the Bill would do any good. if they
passed it, they would never be able to retrace their steps.
Lord BINNING thought the Bill should not be passed
without an assurance that advantage would arise from it. Le-
galizing the sale of game might prevent poaching, therefore he
should not oppose the Bill, but in case he was called upon to
invade manorial rights, he should agree to the proposal with
great reluctance. _ _ _

_ .
After a conversation between Mr. Ev.. Ass, Sir J. :lIELLET,
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Sir JOHN WROTTESET and Mr. 8. WORTLEY, the Com-
mittee divided on the question that the words proposed to stand
part of the clause,
Ayes - -
Noes - - - 82 •
Majority - - - —53
The clause without the words was then agreed to.

On the clause which takes away the right of the owner to
shoot game on the land of the tenant without permission, a dis-
cussion of some length ensued.
Mr. S. WORTLEY finally consented to postpone the con-
slieration of the clause, and the Chairman having reported
progress, obtained leave to sit again on Monday.
The other Orders of the Day were then postponed, and the
House adjourned at Half-past Twelve o'clock.