The Sun.
London, England, 1841-05-21 00:00:00

THE LATE DIVISION.

Mr. FIELDEN said he was •sottiewhat in doubt if he
had any right to a seat in that House, but it would be
in the recollection of Hon. Members, that, yesterday
morning, after the resolution of the Noble Lord
had been put to the - Honse, he had proposed an ad-
journment of the debate ; that motion had been
seconded by the Hon. Member for Finsbury. and since
he had come to the House that evening he had been told
that the Hon. Member for Ashburton, who was in the
gallery at the time, had also seconded it. Now that
motion ought to have been entertaina. He had been
asked by his Honourable Friend, the Member for
Kilkenny, to withdraw his motion, on the under-
standing that at some future time he should have
an opportunity of stating his opinions on the subject.
What he complained of was that his motion for adjourn-
ing the debate had been disposed of without his consent.—
(A laugh.) The Speaker had never asked him if he
would take the sense of the House.—(A laugh.) He
had not put it to the House if they would divide on it.
He thought he had a right to complain. It was
a question affecting the privilege of his consti-
tuents.—(Cheers and much laughter.) He thought it
probable that the House might have rejected his motion,
but he complained of its having been rejected without
a division. His Hon. Friend the Member for Kilkenny,
could bear testimony that he had been asked to with-
draw his motion, on the understanding that he
should have an opportunity given him on some
future occasion of speaking 'on the subject of
the previous debate, and he had risen to speak when
the Noble Lord, the Secretary for the Colonies, had pro-
posed his amendment. " During the course of the pre-
vious debate," said the Hon. Member, " I was not per-
mitted to speak, not having obtained your Ileye,
Sir."-.(Roars of laughter, occasioned by the peculiar
aspiration, which the Hon Member thought it right to
prefix to the word eye.—The Honourable Gentle-
man continued.) He had risen more than a
dozen, times during the debate to make known his
sentiments, but had not been able to do so. He
did not complain of that. He knew how difficult
it was for the Speaker to see every Member
who rose. But yesterday morning, between three and four
o'clock, he had risen to move the adjournment, as he
wished to enter into explanations as to the reasons which
would influence him in giving his vote. He had been asked to
proceed with his speech, but he refused to do so, and at that
hour of the morning it could hardly have been expected.
He wanted to know why his motion for the adjournment
was rejected—why it was not put from the Chair—and a
division taken on the question of adjournment. Before
he said anything more, he hoped to have an answer to
that question.
The SPEAKER felt that he could give the best
answer to the question of the Hon. Member, and he
could state, that if the motion had been seconded, he
should certainly have put it from the chair. After
the Honourable Member had put the question, he (the
Speaker) asked who seconded the motion, and he paused
two or three seconds for an answer.—(Loud cries of
" Hear, hear.") No Hon. Member in his view seconded
it, and he had then proceeded to read the question to
the House. As he was reading the question he saw the
Hon. Member for Finsbury rise, but he did not under-
stand him to say a single word, or to second the motion.
He appealed to lion. Members near him if he was in
error, and they concurred with him that the Hon. Mem-
ber had not addressed the House. He concluded, there-
fore, that the motion was not seconded, and he cer-
tainly did not see the Honourable Member in the gal- i
lery ; he had only heard that since the adjournment,
and was not aware of it at the time. If he had been
aware of it, of course it would have been his duty to put
the question.—(Loud cheers.)
Mr. WAKLEY could easily understand that the
Speaker was in doubt and difficulty as to what was
passing in the House. There was certainly noise and con-
fusion in his (Mr. Wakley's) part of the House, as
well as near the Chair. He recollected the Speaker
asking who seconded it, and he (Mr. Wakley) had risen
from his seat, and said, " I do, Sir"—(Cries of " Oh,"
and " Order")—but he could easily believe that the
Speaker did not hear him, for there was considerable
noise in his part of the House, and several Hon. Mem-
bers cried " Don't second it."
Sir R. H. INGLIS saw the Hon. Member for Fins-
bury rise, but did not hear him say a single word.
Mr. FIELDEN rose, but was received with loud cries
of "Chair, and spoke.")
The SPEAKER had omitted to state why the question
was not put, when the Hon. Member rose a second time.
The Hon. Member did not rise until after the voices had
been given in the negative, and it could not then, ac-
cording to the practice of the House, be put. He would
also state that when he observed no Hon. Member to rise
and second the motion, he had said in the hearing
of several Hon. Members near him, " There is no se-
conder."—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. FIELDEN, not having had an opportunity
of speaking during the debate, would send the
speech he intended to make—(Roars of laughter from all
(reat laughter)—
parts of the House)—to the newspapers.—(Renewed
laughter.) And he would tell them more, that what
he sent he had written before---
and if Honourable Members would write before-
hand what they intended to sPeak'G
they would save
a great deal of the time of the House.—(Cheering
and laughter.) That would enable Hon. Members
to see what were his sentiments on the subject.

THE SUGAR DUTIES.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER--Sir, I
give notice that, on Monday next, I will move that the
House shall resolve itself into a Committee of Ways and
Means, with a view to move the usual annual Sugar
Duties therein.—(Cheers.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL rose amidst the utmost
silence, and said " Sir, I move that this House, at its
rising,he do adjourn till Monday next."
The House House which was crowded, and the Members of
the other House, who had congregated under the gallery,
seemed lost in astonishment for a few moments, and then

burst out into loud cheers on one side, and laughter on
the other.

The Earl of DARLINGTON said, that after what had
just taken place, he was relieved from all suspense as to
the intentions of the Noble Lord, notwithstanding the
division against him the other evening • and he (the Earl
of Darlington) might be allowed to add, with a tenacity
unparalleled—(Loud Opposition cheers)—after the deci-
sion which the House of Commons had so unequivocally
delivered against him.—(Cries of "'Hear," and " Order.")
He might, however, be allowed to ask the Noble Lord on
what day he intended to bring forward the debate on the
Corn-laws.—(Hear, hear.)

Lord J. RUSSELL—On Friday, the 4th of June.—
(Cheers from the Ministerial benches.)
Colonel Sibthorpe, Mr. E. Tennent, and Captain Pol-
hill, here rose almost simultaneously to address the House.
The SPEAKER, however, said that as there was then
no question before them, they should proceed with the
motions for the day.

NAVAL COMMISSION.
Lord GEORGE LENNOX, in bringing forward the
motion of which he had given notice, for a Committee of
the whole House to take into consideration so much of the
Report of the Naval and Military Commission as relates
to the recommendation relative to the Royal Marines, said
that he meant to address the House but for a very short
time. The Commission to which his motion referred
had sat for two years, at the close of which period
they furnished their Report. It was not for him
(Lord George Lennox), to impugn, nor did he
mean to impugn the Report of that Commission.—
(Hear.) But what he complained of was, that the
recommendations of the Commissioners respecting the
officers of the Army, Navy, and Ordnance, had
been attended to, and carried out by the heads
of these several departments, whereas that which
related to the marines had been neglected. As we un-
derstood the Noble Lord, who was all but inaudi-
ble from the great noise that prevailed in the House,
the Commissioners recommended that the marines
should have a larger number of field-officers, and
a more rapid promotion. This (as we un-
derstood) had not in effect been attended to.
He hoped that the marine officers would soon be put
upon an equal footing with the officers of the Navy, and
that the day was not far distant when a marine officer
would even act as a Lord of the Admiralty.—(Hear.)
He trusted that he should be allowed to say a word as
to the honours and rewards of marine officers. He be-
lieved no one would say the Marine officers had not done
their duty to their Queen and their country, but he be-
lieved that the same quantity of justice had not been
granted to them as to the officers of the Navy.
He hoped earnestly the House woud agree with him in
the motion he was about to make. When he had
moved for a Committee, he was told that he ought
to have moved an address to the Crown, and when he
moved an address to the Crown, he was told he ought
to have moved for a Committee.—.(Hear, hear.) Under
these circumstances, he did not know what to do. He re-
gretted that the Noble Lord the Secretary for Foreign Af-
fairs was not in his place, for no one knew better than the
Noble Lord the value of the Marine corps. He now
begged leave to move for a Committee of the whole
House, to take into consideration so much of the Report
of the Naval and Military Commission as relates to the
recommendations relative to the Royal Marines.
Sir H. VIVIAN said he could assure the House, and
he felt sure he need not assure the Marine officers, that
the Government were disposed to do every thing in
their power for the benefit of that distinguished corps.
It was impossible, however, that the same system could
in all cases be pursued towards the officers of the Ord-
nance and the officers of the Marine as the
duties of each were so different. He firmly
believed that the Military and Naval Commission
had conducted its proceedings with an anxious desire to
do justice to allparties._

Sir A. DAL•RYMPLE said that he had for-
merly voted for an address to the Queen
for the appointment of the Naval and Mili-
tary Commission; but as he believed that Commission
had fairly discharged its duties, he could not vote for
bringing the subject again under the consideration of
the House.

Admiral ADAM said that the matters to which
the motion of the Noble Lord referred, were of such
a nature that it would be attended with great incon-
venience to investigate them. The Commission itself,
with regard to retirements, had recommended that
they should not be Ailed up, unless the Admiralty
should see it necessary, and he did not think it right
to place men in the full enjoyment of health upon
retirements that others might be appointed in their place.
Lord INGESTRIE would give a decided negative to
thg motion, at the same time that he entertained the
highest feeling of respect for the corps whose cause
the Noble Lord opposite (Lord George Lennox) had un-
dertaken.

Captain BOLDERO said it was a most just matter
of complaint that whilst the recommendations of
the Commissioners had been carried into effect in every
other department of the service, the important corps in
question (the Marines) had been uniformly neglected.
Mr. C. WOOD said that all the recommendations of
the Commission had been faithfully fulfilled. The pro-
motion given by the Lords of the 'Admiralty to the offi-
cers of marines, in proportion to their number, was un-
exampled in any other part of the service.
Mr. HUME said that he had voted for the appoint-
ment of the Commision, under the impression that the
Marine corps had been neglected ; but this was a diffe-
rent case from that which he contemplated, and if it went
to a division he should vote against the motion. He
thought the Marine officers under Commodore Napier
had not been fairly treated, and he hoped the Govern-
ment would take their case into consideration.

Lord A. LENNOX said he hoped his Noble Relative
would not press the motion to a division. He trusted
that what had been stated would induce the Lords of the
Admiralty to adopt a different course with regard to these
officers.

Captain PECHELL was ready to support the Noble
Lord in any motion which would benefit the corps of
Royal Marines. He would, however, recommend him
to withdraw the present motion, in the hope that what
had been said would influence the treatment of that body.
Lord G. LENNOX said, owing to the small attend-
ance in the House, and being convinced that he would
not be so successful as on a former occasion, he would
withdraw the motion.
The motion was then withdrawn.

On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL, the Order of
the Day for the Committee on Ways and Means was
read for the purpose of being postponed till Monday.

REGISTRATION ACT.

Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said, as he understood that the
resolutions founded upon the petition to which he in-
intended to call the attention of the House would be
agreed to, he would simply move " That, under the pro-
visions of the Act, for amending the Representation of
the People of England and Wales, it is incumbent on
the Clerk of the Peace of every County to write or print
the Register of Electors annually, and to furnish copies
of the same at the most reasonable price. That the
omission hitherto to print the Register of Electors for
the County of Hertford, and to furnish copies at a rea-
sonable price, has been productive of great inconve-
nience, and is an infringement on the rights of the Elec-
tors of the said County in the exercise of their fran-
chise to return Members to Parliament. That a copy of
the Register of Electors for the County of Hertford, for
the year 1840, ending 1841, be forthwith laid before this
House."

The motion was agreed to.
ANATOMY ACT.

Mr. M‘LEAN moved for returns of the number of in-
spectors appointed under 2 and 3 Will. 4, c. 75, com-
monly called " The Anatomy Act," and the district
under their separate inspection. Of the amount of
salary paid to each inspector, and allowance for travel-
ling expenses, in each year from 1836 to the 31st day of
December 1840. Of the number of visits made by each
inspector to the several schools of anatomy within his
district ; specifying the name of the school, and date of
each visit, from 1833 to 1840, inclusive. Of all subjects
sent to the several colleges and hospitals, and schools of
anatomy, specifying the number to each, and the date
thereof. Of each inspector's Report to the Home-office,
of all contraventions of the Anatomy Act by teachers or
students, from the year 1833 to 1840, inclusive ; and
also (if any), what proceedings have been taken thereon.
After a short discussion all the returns except the third
were granted.
Mr. M‘LEAN said he should take another opportunity
of moving for the third set of returns, and also for the
appointment of a Committee to take the subject into
consideration.

Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the Hon. and Learned
Member would not adopt any course that would prevent
the Anatomy Act from being carried into effect.
Mr. M‘LEAN said if it was shown to him that the
Act was working well, he should not trouble the House
further upon the subject.
The subject then dropped.
On the motion of Mr. HINDLEY, a return was
ordered of the names of the barristers who were
appointed, for the first time last year, by the Judges,
to revise the list of voters in England, and of the standing
at the bar of each such barrister at the date of his ap-
pointment.
Mr. BEAMISH obtained leave to bring in a Bill to
provide for the payment of debts, charges, and incum-
bra,nces affecting houses of industry and workhouses, and
of advances made, conformably with previous usage, for
the lawful purposes of such houses of industry and work-
houses, in certain cases in Ireland, which was read a first
time.

On the motion of Lord J. RUSSELL, the further con-
sideration of the Report on the Poor-law Amendment
Bill was postponed till Monday next.
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The Mad-houses (Scotland) Bill, the Charitable Trusts'
Bill, and the Victoria Park Bill, went through a Com-
mittee. .

VACCINATION BILL.
The House then went into Committee on the Vaccina-
tion BilL

Mr. FITZSTEPHEN FRENCH proposed the follow-
ing clause :—" And be it further enacted, that it shall be
lawful for the guardians of every parish or union in Eng-
land and Ireland, and the overseers of every parish or
union in which relief for the poor shall not be adminis-
tered by guardians, and they are hereby directed to em-
ploy any legally qualified medical practitioner or practi-
tioners for the vaccination of persons resident in such
parishes or unions respectively; and to appoint and pay
such reasonable annual stipend or remuneration for the
same as to the said guardians or overseers shall seem fit,
and to defray the same out of any rates or monies which
may come into their hands respectively for the relief of
the poor, anything in any other Act contained to the
contrary notwithstanding.'
Mr. FOX MAULE objected to the clause, and after
a few words from Mr. WARBURTON, the clause was
withdrawn, and the Bill went through a Committee.
On the motion of Mr. LAW HODGES, the Paro-
chial Assessments Bill was read a second time.
The Copyhold and Customary Tenure Bill was re-
committed.
After the insertion of a clause extending the Bill to

Ireland, the Report was ordered to be brought up on
Monday next.
The Court Houses (Ireland) Bill passed through Com-
mittee.

On the motion of Mr. B. WOOD, the Turnpike Roads
Bill went through Committee, and the Report was or-
dered to be received on Monday.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of,
and the House Adjourned at a Quarter before Nino
o'Clock till Monday.