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cannot fan
.to now out -a generous excite-
.
• ment to every person tliatims the happiness 'to live
under our free and constitution. fidaours
of such a nature should be always conferred less
•
with a view to the individualthanto their:general
• effects ; but the House Must also feet, that in con-
ferring s,:ch, honours, there was at least an implied
engagement that- they should be neither burthen-
some or painful to the person who received them,
but conferred in such a way as to make them
worthy both of the Crown and of the People.--
The honours with wild) the Marquis. of Welling-
ton had been graced were • not `merely hest6wed
by the Crown, but were called for by the voice of
the nation. And he might say with, truth, that
the sanction and approbation of that • House had
followed soclosely upon the gift of the Sovereign,
that the honours of the brave General were not less
under the sanction of:Parliament than of the Crown.
By such Conduct they h'ad; at leiw, marked the ex.;
• tent of hisa..claims. Lord Wellington, though
yet a young man, though much he hoped, of his
valuable life would be yet spent the service of
Lis country;' however, 'young as he was,, he had
received more testimonies of his Sovereign's- fa-
vour than any subject who lived before-his etime;
- not excepting even the-great Duke ofMarlboeough.
It was the singular fortune of that distiniuished
officer, that in addition to the rewards and :ho-
nours bestowed by his Sovereign, he had reeeiVed
upon six: different occasions what- was mit less
flattering or less honourable, the' thanks...of that
House. On Lord *Wellington, who was younger in
years hut not in. experience, the .thanki of that
House were conferred not less than eight times,
six of which had been for his services on the Pen-
,insula, where he was opposed, not its he-had been
before, to an Indian enemy, but to armies long
accustomed to victory, to armies commanded by
men of the first Military talents, trained in the
school of danger and experience, confident of
success, for they had been accustomed to -con-
quest, with their laurels fresh, and yet blooming
round them. Such were the armies, sucit were
• the captain's; whose laurels .withered. before tlie'
brightneSs of his.fame. Those laurels' were trans-
' -planted to another region, where they would
flourish, he hoped, for ever, not for the ruin of
'mankind, but for the-protection of their liberties
and their religion, and their 'rights Never did the
country produce a man who had received so large
a measure of Parliamentary-and national appro-
bation No neei had been ever so greatly and so
'justly distinguished: In the Peninsula, taking
all together, his 'catalogue of successes unche-
quercd by any thing to.diminish their glory,- was
the greatest-that any in,!ividual -ever before had
to boast of. These successes were in the 'recol-
lection of theHonse. Every per Son who heard
him must recollect the battle of Busaco, in which.
-a victory was gained over nearly double numbers;
the battle .of Fuente tie Honore, and other hat-
-
ties Which, if not fought immediately under his
eve,- were fought, at least, under his. direction;
also the battle of Alhuera ; but, above all, , the
attack upon theltridge of Almaraz, conducted by
General fill, under the direction of Lord Wel-
lington. Soult confessed, that from the moment
of that successful attack,- the measures he had
planned With Marmont were completely deranged.
The army-of Spain was forted to act in two divi-
sions, and its :Generals were presented from their
intended co-operation. It was indeed true, that
his splendid course of military successes was not
unchequered by retreat, Retreat, however, was
not defeat, anti in the retreat to which circum-
stances obliged him, he still gave evidence that
the resources of a great .mind did mit forsake him.
In short, within the space of four years, lie had
beaten the proudest Marshals of Prange. He had
-beaten Marinont, he had beaten Smilt, who was
himself considered as- a host ; he hail beaten Mas-
sena and Ney; and Jourdan. lr no one instance
lelW he lead a British army into the field, in which
they were 'not crowned with glory and success.—
He presented the new and grand spectacle of four
years successes, without any of the disasters that
are naturally attendant upon military operations.
It ,was not necessary to press these things upon
the, atteiition.of the House, they were in the re-
collection of every person. The questions: now
for them toconsiderweree—lst, What was the
policy? and, 2dly, What were the means of re-
: wardingesuch seolces ? With respect to the po-
licy of rewarding military services„althongh there
were many questions of policy, in the considera-
Con of .which he would not refer for examples to
'the councils of the enemy, there could not how-
ever-he a better policy than theirs,' in, so far as- it
regarded,rewards for military service. Let them
luok to France, could they find in that country
-one Generahot any Merit, who was not loaded
with all the reyeards and the honours that it was
in the power of their Ruler to confer. Different,
indeed,-far different were. they front the rewards
and' honours of the gallant Marquis ; different in
the-grace that belonged to them ; aliti*,..rent in the
services that igained them, and in the principle on
which 'they-were bestowed. . The,y, it was true,
were highly rewarded,* but . their rewards were,
such as the braVe Wellington would disdain to ac-
cept. A' Right Honourable Gentlenma (Mr.
Canning) had truly'stated upona former occasion,
that though placed at the head. of the Portuguese
army, the pay attendant upon which situation
was not less than 50001. a-year; when asked to
accept that pay, be answered, that whateverser-,
vices- were in his power, he would be always
willing to perform for Portugal ; but as be re-
- ceived the pay of his own Sovereign, ho would not
accept of it front another. The pay bad been
buffered to accnmulate in the expectation that his
feelings might at some time be prevailed upon to
accept it. He was-apprised that the money was
to be delivered to him, but with a generosity ne-
ver before excelled, with the noble :self-denial of
a soldier, he begged it should be disposed Of for
the Portuguese army. How dide'rent the conduct-
of the eneniy. The whole of the -French Gene-
rals were covered with. rewards, and *loaded with
possessions in every country they had unjustly
conquered. Such rewards and such poss'essions
would remain a- stigma upon their -name, -not to
raise or dignify, but to degrmtzle them ;- they would
be for ever joined _with the recollection-of those
atrocious acts with- wliieh their acquisitions had

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.itch accompanied, White the Cle,nerals of Great -bem en thetely moro. Lope tlisstio_there. Wat:afteT
Britain were going forth for the salvation and those events bad taktn plece, seeingthe Sph:niards
.protection of others ; fnd they receivei honours- had not joined us with that spirit with which Mi.
gratuitousiy, and bnconnected with e_nolument. sisters deluded t;memselves, and would fasio I hide
Lord Wellington carried about him the - honours the House to believe in existence. The reverseoof
he had nobh: earned; but they were tmonrs. not this appeared to him to he the i'll(1 therefore
attended with emolument. Ile would pow sub- he thought the case of the Peninsula more deploy
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mit what apeared to him the fit course for him to . rabic than-ever. lie wiShed to move, that the
pursoe. If he could suppose that Lord Welling- • consideration of the Grant be deferred till after
ton's services were by this measure to be plarad' the holidays." . . .
beyond the reach of further• reivard, if unfortu- Mr. LUSHINGTON observed, it would
_be more,
nately by the disasters of war, 'the country :had regular tO move that he should leavethe chair.
been deprived of his ‘ eminent talents, and that I" Drop it ! Drop it !" was here -called out by
there was a question of a provision to be made several Memliersl
e
for his family, the proposition he meant to subs Mr. Itoßisso a denied the correctness of the
mit would be of a different nature. But he proudly-1 statements made by the Hon. Baronet with
‘re-
felt that,the Gallant General is yet yOung, that he- spect to Ciudad Rodrigo and Badajoi. In hoth,
was yet Able, and likely to perform for his COin- breaches had been effected; and if .the breach
try more signal services than he had ever yet made in the latter was most gallantly defended,
achieved ; and it was his wish now to submit to . that it had fallen, heightened the merit of the
the House a plan which, if adopted, would al- plan formed by Lord IrellitigtOn. At Bargos,
wayssiteepain remembrance the title of W‘llinge . also, breaches had been made, and it was Only
tain. It was not his intention, by this plan, to the incomparable defence made by the enemy that
take either front the Crown or the Parliament the had, saved, that place. -He did not know of any of
ineens of alurther grant. The House, he hoped, the dreadful disasters in „Lord Wellingtonla re-
would feel that something should be done which •treat, of which the Hon. Bart. had spoken. If he
may connect itself with the title' of Wellington 3,1 had understood the hospital to have fallen into
and they would feel an additiOnal motive to this,- the hands of the enemy, he (Mr.-Be). believed the
when -he informed them that-the manor of Wel- Hon. Baronet to be totally misinformed. That
lingtonewhich had been consecrated by him tot some of the sick were left behind was not im
whore it tad given a title, had 'passed „from its 1 aarobable, as in such cases there were generally:
former owner into the hands of a person who was some unfortunate persons to whom a removal,
now willing- to dispose of it, if Parliament thought: weed(' be death, but the hospital he had rea-
-proper to transmit it as a spot given to the -family,: - sbn suppose' had been taken. The retreat had
of the Noble Marquis-bye vote of the Legislature t not heeu a hurried retreat ;on the . contrary, he
and the bounty of the eounthy. Ire would not believed that a retreating army had Bever taken
trespass' further upon their attention, but propose -more time, General Hill hail not been pres4ed at
that a.sum mit exceeding 100,0001. be vested in all by the enemy, and the actions which toox
trustees for the purchase of lands to' descend place between Lord 'Wellington, the enemy had
with the title to the heirs of the Marquis of Wel.- only been between the advanced. and the rear-
lington. guards of the armies. The returns of our loss
On the motion being read from the Chair, had already appeared . in the Gazette,. and the
Mr. W. XEENe spolie at UC lengthin p'raise of ' Hen: 13art. was misinformed with respe7t to the
the Marquis of Wellington, and expressed his con- ' disasters said to have - tttken place. Ile was
cut-reitcc in the Motiou.
eittztlly unfortunate in his historical knowledge,
'
Sir F. BoaDETT -thought,• however strong this • as he bad stated the services of tite Duke of Marl-
,
proposition might *cart° the House, resting as borough to have remained-unrewarded by Par-
it did on time merits of Lord Wellington, he could ;lenient till titter the battle of Blenheim, as he
not think it had derived.n-meh strength from _the was reworded with a grant, of 3000/. per annum
arguments of the Noble Lord, or from thoSe of in the year 1702, .and the battle of Blenheim was
the Honourable Gentleman. There were -two 1 the first great battle he fought. The I-ion. Ba-
considerations of which they ought not to lose roue_ thought the grant-proposed that night was.
sight when a grant of this kind was proposed.--- to reward Lord Wellington for the battle of ,Salae
The first was, as to the merits of the clairo.. : the mane?. Tiii was not the fad ; it was to reward
seconds out of What fund it ought to be rernittoe- the services of his whole life, and not one great
rated. He was of opinion that hatiinta like these, _ action, however glorious ; 'and if ever there was _
if Government possessed any funds which could an occasione which more than any -other called for
be appropriated to-such a purpose, they ought riot the?gratitude of the house to be particularly
to come to the public. ' The patronage which they evoiced, this was that occasion,
possessed in sinecuie.so &c. which, whenan out- :Sir F. FLOOD was only sorry the finances of the
cey wasTaised on the subject,-it was said ought to country were riot in a more prosperous condition,
be kept to reward meritorious services; might, in that double the sum proposed might be granted.
his opinion, be applied to such a purpose. They The vote proposed had his hearty concurrences
had another fund in their hands, the Droita of It was his maiden grant, and it shoulth.be execute
Admiralty. To apply this to reward military ser- eel with vigour. (4 laugh.) .
vices, lie, however, had One objection: This arose Mr. PROTHEROE,'T alluding to the insinuations
from an idea that the Droits of the Admiralty th-town out against Lord Wellington by an Hon.
oughtito he appropriated to the benefit of naval Baronet (Sir F. Burdett) observed, that he had
officers. if they were not so applied-, and it-the been doing that of which he accused the Noble
Princes of the Blood and others were to receive Marquis, making charges where there were no
grants front it, who had no regular claims on' it, breaches. He would probably look to the-French
then he thought that a grant like - the one now Emperor, to see how a bold advance could be
proposed might with propriety be-marie from it. made without rashness, and a skilful retreat with-
The Noble Lord had saidethe retreat of an army i out danger. He thought it was the duty of that
furnished no
-proof of demerit on the part of the House to enable the Marquis of Wellington to
General. It might be so; bat after a precipitate sustain those honours .which his Primes had so
and, if report saidtrue, a most disastrous retreat, very properly bestowed. He. had probably seen as
he could have wished, previous to making the much of the commercial distresses of the country
proposed grant, to have had some informetion on as the Hen. Baronet, and he us sincerely felt for
the
-subject which the Noble Lord had not sup- then;; hut the :commercial; world Would- feel in-
plied. •HS could have wished to know- whether I stilted, if these were urged as reasons for restrain-
Lord Wellington had left his military hospital, lug the munificenCe of Parliament an such an oc-
and 'he thought other particulars ought to have casion. He could not yet admit that they had
been known of a retreat, Which it was said had reached that worst State of national insolvency
not been much less disastrous than that of Sir J. f which made them incapable of answering the
Moore. Though a retreat might be no proof of claims on national honour and' gratitude. Ile,
however, - concurred with the Hon, Baronet, in
demerit on the part of a General, he could not
think it furnished grounds on which to call for thinking that economy ought to be continually
Parliamentary remuneration. To him as a man attended to, to enable them to essercise well-timed
of a plain Way of thinking, it appeared, that the'generosity. ,
results of the _campaign had been -nothing but Lord Coe LIRANE complained that that assist-
disaster ant, defeat, The victory of Salamanca ance had not been given to ,pain which would
appeared to be a victory forced upon Lord Wel- most have_serVed her cause. If the army under
lington. After that victory lie could wish it to he Lord Wellington had been stationed in the Isle of
explained whether it was good conduct to proceed Wight, and oceasionhlly employed against the
against Burgos, whether in the conduct of that coasts of France, it would have occupied the at-
.siege there was a want of ability 'in the Co m- tention of a unteli greater come- than it at present
mancler, whether the project was a bad one, or employs ; and such a ,stem in the end .would
whether the Ministers of this country had given ' make Buonaparte glad to, accept of any terms -of
lan positive orders to advance against it without peace we would grant. e.
ftesnishing him with the means of taking it, In Mr. WHITBREAD, as he had diffhred from the
one of Lord Wellington's dispatches there was a 'majorities of the House on former occasions, both
Singular paragraph—'' Your LOrds'hiP! is aware I. i as to the merits of Lord Wellingtons and as to the
had little hopes ,of success at Burgos; yet after remuneration proper to be given for his services,
the battle of Salamanca; it MIS necessary-to pro- 1 felt it incumbent upon him to declare his entire
teed against. Burgos, to ensure the-success of-the approbatiOn of the grant. On a former occasion
campaign." Thus, then, the consequence of that he had' not hesitated to put questiona to a relation
aictory was disaster. He (lift not wish to under- Of Lord Wellington's, a Member of that House,
value the services of .1:-,ord Wellington, bet the - zleaphetiog Load Wellington's private forttute, Ise-
victories he Lad 'gained in Spain had none of the fore he would consent to the reinuimiettion then
characteristics which distinguished those of the proposed. In some iristhnees he had thought Lord
Duke of Marlborough; , The.advantagps.that Ge- Wellington had led his army into a serape, and
nerargained he retained ; 'yet it was not till after that they had gallantly-fought him out of it On
the decisive battle of Blenheim that Parliament the disastrous ‘retreat after the battle of Talavera
rewarded his
.services. Now iii the Peninsula it. he had ii sitated to decide till-hesaw the whole of
bad been observed, and by military men too, that Lord Wellington's plan ; but when this developed
Marquis Wellington had brought his army into- itself in the retreat of Maseena from-Portugal,
difficulties, but his men had fought him out of from that moment he considered his actions to
them again, and that in the eapthre of thm. for- have stamped hint a great Officer. A retreat, he
tresses which lie had won, a waste of life was to contended, • might-he most honourable to a Gene-
be complained of. This he understood to have ral, atiLl he believed Buonaparte to have been as
been the case at Ciudad Rodrigo and Badajoz, wellsatia'fied with Massena and Ney for the man-
which places bad been , stormed without a breach, ner in. which they had conducted the retreat of
being previously • made. A 'similar complaint he their forces from Portugal, as with any, victories
had heard respecting Burgos. He did not wish-.to they could have gained. The attacks made_ on
divide the House on the grant, but -he wished to Ciudad' Rodrigo and Badhjos he-thoughts:justified
nitre that the cpbsideratiouhof the grant shoals! by the success- which had crowned them. ''"Though
be deferred till some inquiry had been made:into both were desperate, and had
_cost. us-many 'brave
this extraordinary -campaign., He didnot-see that men, whose loss mast he sincerely deplored, yet
flattering success which the Noble Lord-thought still the capture of those places had saved the lives
he saw in the siege of Cadiz having been raised by of many who would have fallen at, other places, and
the enemy. The cause-of Spain to.lifift appeared 'therefore what they had cost us was not to be esti-
infinitely more hopeless that it was at the cool- mated by the-lOss they had cost ns in the first in-
inencement of the campaign. If Lord Wellington stance, but by the greater or smaller loss of life
had never marched to Madrid,, and if he had not we had sustained in the progress' of the campaign.
gained the battle of Sahonanca, there-would have -He then noticed the consequences ()Idle battle
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Satanaanc rather and to ittihh.
what .object JAC 1-Velliagton leaf /said
whenht advanced hi-hal:id') rne Noble thra-,
liatihhe observed, that uh4ht staoothed ;-hyth,'wa
ofthe obstaeles.to -a peace, byrecognisiag Joseph.
Haonaparte as the Spain ; for, speaking of
the Commanders Lord Wellington had beaten,
fiad said.--he beat Soult-he beat Marshal- hiar7•
inont---4te heat ey—he beat the Khig, assisted
by Chaefat Jachatah. One remarkable passage
in a dispatch of Lard Wellington's, empressed
hope that the people of Madrid' would exert then:-
selves better than they had.doue on a former occa
sion, .He had given them an opportunity o!'doing:
so, and if they had not availed thenrielVes of ii, it-
wavno-fault of his. - lie bad no doubt but the
Freneh-Generals thought higher of Lord W.ellinth
ton since his late retreat than ever, even -after the
bahtle of Salamanca-. Knowing how high Lord
Wellington stood in their estimation who.werethe
best judges-, A 3 was seen from intercepted letters;.
it was nbt.now for the House to detract froth his
merits ; and he thought it wouid beeame the
Hoare now to Vote the grant proposed, however
however
they aih.)ltt wish for information, relati,7e to the
genera:- plan 'of the taMpaign. He wished no
comparison had been made between Lord Wel-
lingroa aa d Commanders of former times. It
was not necestary to compare him with the Duke
of Marlborough.. Each Stood suffieieatl h
his own merits, •If any tarnish were to '-e
on the character of the"Ditke of Marlborough, it
was -there Hier'e the elmh!cter.of Lord slhaliah-
ton rose, in pecuniaryanattersh• Lord Wellington
Was invainerable there, tvheretheDukecoald be
wounded. The sum
.of 10000/. was iertainly a •
large grant, but at a. time when the Chanceilhr
of the Exchequer told them that • he had hen the
means of passing eleven -millions and .a
half intd
the Veniasula within the list year, and toahcais
with a sort of apology for not Seil,Hg More, it
would be absurd to say, while the people tOcheh:,t
11.500,0001. too little to send there, that econo-
my forbid thy grunt of 100,000/. to Lord Wel-
lington:
Mr: CAN thought the grant to the se:viers •
of Lord Wellington, .for the moral effect they had
produced in this country, front the
.conscious
strength aml heuelity welelt, while comparing .
tar., se., es ,on land with an enemy, whom till lately
we had been, disposed to think as superior on one
element as we were on another. M ith Allis view
'he thought Lord Wellington's services would be
inadequately rewarded by any thing which the
House might grant. It could not be denied, that
it was impossible not to see that we owed to Lord
Wellington what the nation could not owe to the
Duke of Marlborouah front the circumstances of,
,the times in which he lived, which could notfur--
nish that revulsion of sentiment produced in one
day by the splendid achieveMents of Lord Wel-
lington,- It was impossible not to look hack to
our feelings at the commencement of the present
war, When we'were not considering whether we
should be able to drive the enemy from the Tagus
to the Douro, from the Douro to the tormest,
or from the Tormes to the Ebro ; but when we
Were preparing to fortify the Thames and to flood
the country, it was impossible to look back afirnh •
out congratulating ourselves on the 4:L-ange. To
hint We mainly owed the change which had taken
place to the army formed under his eye, to the
rising generation, •the glory and defence of 'this •
country we could now look with confidence, and
repose in security. Lord Wellington had not- ,
Only raised this country in the eyes Of the world by
bearing the thunder of England against her foe,
bat by appearing the tutelary genius of the
countries he was sent to, assist. The almost
unhoped-fer successes of Russia were partly to
he ascribed to what had been done by Lord,
Wellington. He ' then shortly contrasted the
campaigns in Spain and Rusia, and partitularly
pointed out the splendid difference between the .
career and the conduct of him NV ho advanced to
succour and to Save, and he who but advanced to
devastate and to overthrow. He objected to that
which the Hon. Baronet (Sir F.'Burdett) had
seemed to recommend, that the grant should be
made to Lord Waington out of•the fund .he had.
named. If this were done, he was confident the
public, far front feeling themselves relieved,
would consider themselves to hare been defraaded.
They would resent that conduct *hich seamed
tended to make such a grant palatable. He .was
convinced, that however the funds irr question
might be disposed of hereafter, they ought not to
pollute the grant they were now called upon to make
by any
.thing that would seem to apologise fur
their conduct. They ought not on such an occa-
sion
to appear to excuse themselves for such an
act, by making it understood that they were
generous, because they could be so at a cheap-
rate.. The grant otight to be made out of-the pub-
lic money. He understood it was proposed to lay
out the 1:00,0001. in the purchase of lands to be
attached to the title of Wellington: Lord Wel-
lington's children were all sons,' hut they might
have only fernale issue. He presumed that it was
not intended the title should fail in that case. He •
thoright•it necessary not only that the immediate
descendants of such a man should he provided for,.
but that the grant of that night should insure to
their posterity that result which Englishmen-could
not but wish to see, as a lasting monument to tbo. ,
memory of their great ancestor.
Lord CASTLEREAGH observed, that matter would •
come to he considered in the Bill. It was the
wish of Ministers that the grant should be- made
on the most liberal principles.
A motion of Sir F. BURDETT'S, that the Chair-
man should leave the Chair, 'was negatived, and
the original motion 'agreed to.
• The House resumed, and the reportof the Com-
mithee was ordered -to t,t.' received o-Inorrow. •
In a Con. neittee &Supply, several of time annual
Naval Supplies were votedaaanal /0,500h0001. for -..
Exehequer. Bills outstanding and unprehided
for. The report was ordered to be received to- . •- ,
wrrow.

BIRTHS.
Ou the 30th of Novembei, in Dublin, Lady Harriet, wife of
the Right Hon, Colonel Foster, of a Sau ali:1 Heir:
Last Saturday, the wife of Mr. Silver, Surgeon to the,.
Sea-liathipg Infirmary Margate, of a .Sar. ',!.
On. Sun t ay last, a;, earihai ton, the Lady: of joseph Estridge,
Esq. of a Sou.