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London, England, 1841-04-02 00:00:00

THE POOLE UNION.

Cslonel SIBTHORP moved for the entries on the
books of the Poole Union, with regard to the case of the
child of Peer Rickets, deceased ; return of the period at
which application was first made for relief, the name of the
relieving officer to whom such application was trade, with
the reply thereto; the name of the officer at present
holding the situation of relieving officer, and whether he
holds any other appointment, and what appoiUtment, besides
that of relieving officer ; also specifying the day on
which the child died, and of what complaint or disease ;
whether any Report was made relative to the said child,
during any period, to the Poor-law Commissioners or the
Assistant Poor-law Commissioners, by whom and at
what period such Report was made :—Also, copies
of - correspondence that took place relative to the
above case, with the results thereof; whether any
inquest was held on the body of the child, if so, where and
at what period, the name of the Coroner, and the verdict
of the Jury. Returns, specifying the period at which ap-
plication was first made, and to whom, for out-doer relief
to Rebecca Moore, and the sum, and also, for what
pe iod it was grasted weekly; the period at which Re-
becca Moore was first admitted job the Poole Union, and
at what period she died there, and also the complaint of
which she died ; the names of the Relieving Officers at the
time Rebecca Moore was an inmate, end• whether any
other officer has been subsequently appointed to that
situation, the name of the officer so appointed, and
whether he holds any, and, if any, what other appointment
best es that of relieving officer ; whether any report rela-
tive to the case of Rebecca Moore has been at any time
made either to the Poor law Commissioners or the As-
:.is!ant Poor-law Commissioners, by whom the Report was
made, and at what period; also, copies of the correspond-
mace that took place with any, a ith what persons, and the
result thereof. The Hon. and Gallant Member said that
be understood there would then he no opposition to his
motion. He did not, however, ask for the returns ai a
favour, but as a right. The returns were necessary in
consequence of the cruelties that had been inflicted hi the
instances to which his motion referred, and which had
caused death in two instances. The Hon. Geutleman
having told him the returns would be unopposed, be
would not then trespass upon the time of the House fur-
ther than to say that ho promised them, when the re-
turns were before the House, he would again call atten-
tion to the subject.
Mr, FIE LD EN, who was for the most part inaudible,
seconded the motion, and was understood to say, that he
would take a future occasion to bring before the House
some alogations mace in the Committee of Poor-
law' Inquiry, egainst the the Poor-law Commissioners,
and the guardians and other officers of a certain parish.
Mr. FOX MAULE said he was quite prepared to
grant these returns. The reason why he had before ob-
jected to them was tliat a correspondence was in progress
on the subject. That correspondence was then con-
cluded, and he should be able to present the returns veeich
had been moved for on Monday next.
Mr. E. ELLICE obtained leave to bring in a Bill for
the better preservation of salmon fisheries in Scotland.
Mr. R. GORDON moved fur leave to bring in the
Annual Indemnity Bill.
The motion, after a few words from Mr. GOULBURN,
was agreed to.

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NEWFOUNDLAND.
nNtVaerar
.0a
pUSAL,NIKeDeitLNAGNTo.N
Committee
theon
of the colony of Newfoundland :—Mr. Pakitigtfotleol:,;(7ianrtgde
John Russell, Lord Stanley, Lord Viscount lloni;:k, Mr.
Gladstone, Sir George Grey, Lord Viscount Sandon, Mr.
Shell, Lord Ashley, Mr. Langdale, Sir James Graham,
Mr. Ward, Sir Thomas Cochrane, Mr. Charles Buller,
and Mr. Lascelles..
Lord MORPE TH, in the absence of Mr. E. J.
Stanley, moved for leave to being in a Bill to enable the
Commissioners of Wide Streets to sell, and her Majesty
st
et enet
oe
ff the .
to purchaser certain hereditaments in the City of Dublin,
the Crown
on the north bank of the River Anna Liffey.
Sir R. PEEL begged to ask in what manner it was in-
tended to appropriate the ground so to be purchased ? He
apprehended that-it would be found useful for exercising
the troops in the garrison.
Leave Lord iqwoa
sRtPh
nEnT
given
vseani d
to
ot
bwouldring in
ne renderedthe
Bill, notan onlyd t v e
Cheomcomni
2vailable for exercising the troops, but also to the inhabi-
tants as a place of recreation and amusement.—( Hear.)
House Noble Lfoorr dt 0
-gave r r 0 notice
obtain
aai n t wholc,
for the purchase of the land.
POPULATION BILL.

Lord J. RUSSE L L said he proposed to move the third
reading of the Population Bill on the first instance, then
the Committee on the Ordnance Estimates, and afterwards
the Committee on the Poor-law Amendment Bill. The
Noble Lord then moved the third reading of the Popular
tion Bill.

In answer to a question from Sir W. FOLLETT,
Lord J. RUSSELL said that his Noble Friend, the
Secretary for Ireland, would state, immediately after
Easter, the exact course which the Government
meant to pursue with regard • to the Irish Regis-
trativa Bill. In the meantime, it would be necessary

Lord G. SOMERSET had many objections to the
power to be given by this Bill to the Lords Lieutenant ;
and as he was obliged to hare town to attend his duties as
Chairmaa cf Quarter Sessions, he trusted the Right Han.
Gentleman would have no objection to postpono the fur-
ther progress of the Bat till after Elute,. That postpone-
ment would be no detriment, fur it would be totally iirpot-
sible for them to surt cyan)/ county until the crops were off
the ground. He was most anxious that there should be it
proper Ordnance officer appointed, who would be respon-
sible; but as the rights of lords of manors might be effected,
he was anxious that they shmild have notice, in order that
they might attend per.sonaly or by deputy, in order to
guard them.
Sir H. VIVIAN would certainly adopt the amend-
ments of the Noble Lord as far as possible. But,
as it was evident that there must be some person
t) give information to the Ordnance officer, and as
be was not gciog to survey manors but parishes and hun-
dreds, be thought the Lord Lieutenant was the proper
person to gnppt int such person as could give the best infor-
mation in the various localities. With respect to the delay
asked for, the Nol)!e Lord would remember that they
Gould base to survey many towns and building', so that
e;ht be most profitably employed lthough they
I.l3):enirv.chains
be
allowedacross fi etlod s
pass untilwithout
itthheo
uatudt
delay.
resumed—tie Report was brought up and ordered to be
further consilcied to-morrow.
The Report on the Houghing Cattle Bill was brought
cil°:Slhodoripni ceedtvretuibb:a I arneudnicas were introduced—the House
up—to be read a third time to-morrow,
POOR-LAW AMENDMENT BILL.

Lord J. itUi:',SELL moved the Order of the Day for
going into Committee on the above Bill.
Mr. ALSTON presented a petition from the board of
guardians at Watford praying that the owners of pro-
pe-ty under the value of 10/. should be the parties rated.
Tile House then went into Committee.

On clause 18 being proposed,
Lord G. SOMERSET hoped that upon consideration
the Noble Lord would omit the clause. It provide.' for
sudden derangements of trade when the workhouse be-
came too full, but it also gave the power to the guardians
of one workhouse to contract foe the support of the extra
poor, or poor of another parish, for a period not
more than seven years, to which he had many objections.
The general tendency of the practice of persons contract-
irg for the support of the pocto—where one party would
endeavour to bring down as much as possible the price
of the ether—would he most injarious to' the unfortue'ate
paupers. There was another thing, too, ahich made hint
object to the practice to which ha alluded; every Poor-law
guardian would seek to have the Poor-law system carried
Into operation in the cheapest manner possible, and
the result would be, that the party contracting at the
cheapest rate would be employed, whereby the poor would
be very far from being benefited. lie would, also, re-
mind the House, that as the clause now stood every old
pauper, both male and female, might be r -moved from
one workhouse to another—the aged husband might be se.
prrated from his wife, with whom ho had e passed Veal
greater portion of his life, and sent off to a district ahero
be was a complete stranger. ft wol, in his (Lord G.
Somerset':) mind no small grievance that paupers should
be serercd from all those tics and connections which ren
dored life dear. There was nothing in the clause which
would prevent a pauper being sent from Cornwall to
being-pgerlel ea dt :io,t done,ea
nn t
enter
frontn tdhien
ttwhh
workhouse,
r part
heusoteu
sooeff ,
the able-bodiedhacto
wasu n tr
country
from temporary want of employ-
gmeutt!t.er
isiterawn
Dothan,. Ha (Lord G. Somerset) did not mean to say
that such a thing was likely, but then the chute nouldl
iagnlc't:. Those labourers might be se :t to
of
fonteh etirh those Hoer. c-1
vac,
.mlaa.edodebrmrnyoi
:tiutis,trire."o,cbur. fetse:rseaccuwtoteghmeharo
that instance cause a manifest in: ust;
ieumvnable to get in consequence
where they where known, and the when they left the
polafcoepilm.o3th.,t
the
employment,gasc,rstheinreftohrce, 'ilia clause
would incosta be
clause ought to he omitted,
Lord J. RUSSELL said the jet oition of the clause
was. not exactly that the Noble Lord supposed. One
main reason for its proposal was tint many parishes had
not sufficient workhouses to receive the inmates; rent there,
and that it would be more advantageous ;hat the manage-
ment of the poor should be carried on kfiuq of
sufficient siza than in temporary erectionr. At the same
time, he admitted there was great force in the Noble
' Leed's objection, that the clause, as now brought up, might
afters arils be used for purpose; for which it was not in-
t,ridecl, and so not only cause considerable disaffection
among the poor, but real practical inconvenience. With
respect te t,e
,amendment of the clause, it appeared to hitt
there were two modes in which it might be amended. One
was, by preventing contracts being made with any union
at a great distance--for instance, ten miles. The Noble
Lord proposed that the poor sh ould
L not be removed with-
out their consent, but he (
Lord John Russell) thought
' the Noble Lord would FCC that the practical effect of the
amendment he proposed, would be to defeat the clause,
7had because the guardians could not contract, if they
after-
wards to consult the paupers; and, moreover, it would be
hardly possible, ohaving obtained the consent f
pees, not to allow them, if theythe pans
required it,
to be taken back to their own -
there woubl be constant uncertainty„lull"' and
so
he impassible to put theclause and it would
There was another mode iri
which
. iu operation.h
the clause might he
altered, and ''
withrceit Vhtol ehimhotuladt
certainly be satisfied, although 4t, would vb'c'' Igteix:n.g us) the
original object of the elapse,-'namely . it" claw
to COcie ;bee .
._e
to the management of the infant poor and er the direction
of the board of guardians. There were IT .any workhouses
little used, and it would be a great to: oeantage if these
were employed for this purpose insteiv:i of erecting new
ones at a great expense. He could r,ot, however, as ha
had said, agree to requiring the consent of the poor for
their removal, which he thought ei auld render the clause
nugatory, and than which it had better be left out alto.
gether.
Mr. G 0 ULBU RN raid it frequently happeeei
that the workhouses were: for a co nsideratile period desti-
tute of inhabitants, and that duriars that time the guardians
acre wilUng that perseans who would pay eboul I conic
into them, but if the pro-Jima? contracted for Seven years
to receive them at any ti me. the numbers would inceease,
aed when the period erriiveel at which the workhouse wee
net competent to receive: (those whom it wee desirable to
receive, they
.would be necessarily driven to the alterna-
tive of resorting to out- door relief. He was quite h
aware
of the diffi,2.ulty with re! poet to parishes
which had not
sufficient accommodation , but he thought tine
would be for them to lilac° themselves in a situation to
give efft.ctual operation ;to the law by erecting workhouses
where they were found nocessary.
Mr. WARD thought tlee Noble Lord would find it
much easier to omit the clause than to amend s- 1• , for it was
calculated to excite a well.fotended prejudice against th*
Bill. lie knew that between 1,200 and /,bOO of the