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London, England, 1823-06-07 00:00:00

PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF 'LORDS, JUNE 6.
Mr. MASON, from the East India House, presented the
Monthly Account of the Pensions granted .by the Company ;
and the Annual ACcount of the Revenue of the different Pre-
sidenciei.

The Metropolis Gas Light Bill was brought up from the
Commons by Mr. P. Moore and other Members.
Lord GRANVILLF, presented petitions from various parts
of Staffordshire, praying for the adoption of some rnealsute for
the recovery of Small Debts.
The Masters' and Servants' Bill passed through the Com-
mittee and was reported.
The _Earl of DONOUGIIMORE presented a petition from,
the Clerks of the Peace for Ten Counties in Ireland, against
the Irish Grand Jury Presentment Bill, which was read at
length on the motion of his Lordship.—Adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
Mr. CURWEN presented
.petition from certain Owners
and Occupiers of Land in CUmberland, on the subject of Agri.
clitoral Distress..—Ordered to lie on the table.
BEER BILL.
Mr. BLACKBURNE presented a petition from certain
Publicans in the town of Manchester, and one from those in
Salford, against the Sale of Beer Bill, praying that the same
may not pass into a law.--Ordered to lie on the table.
Mr. ROI.IIOUSON moved that accounts of foreign vessels
entered inwards, and their tonnage, In the years 1821, 1822,
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arid 1823, should be laid before the house..._Ordered.

COALS.
Mr. W. LEWIS presented a petition fiotn the Proprietors
of Collieries in Cardiff', praying a repeal of the duties en Coal.
The Honourable ;limber expressed his hopes that the coun-
try would soon be relieVed from this hurden on accoUnt of
its unequal operation; and he was convinced much national
good would re .ult from it on various grounds.—. Ordered to lie
on the table.

On the nit tifin of Mr. JIMMIES, it was ordered that the
House at its rising should adjourn till Monday.
The Scotch Conformations Bill went. through a Committee,
the Report Of which was received, and Ordered to be taken into
further consideration on Wednesday.
The Scotch Commissaries Bill went through a Committee,
the Report of which was received, and ordered to be printed.
The Scotch Transfer Securities Bill went through a'Com-'
► mittee, the Report of which was ordered to be read on Monday.
LONDON BRIDGE BILL.
Mr. BROGDEN brought up the Report of the Committee
on the plan for building a New London Bridge. He moved an
instruction to the Committee to make .a provision pursuant to
a resolution came to in the fortner Committee.
The resolution for making an advance of money for that pur.
Lose from the Consolidated Fund having been read,
Mr. HUME wished to know whether the money so advanced
was to be ►epaid by toll or otherwise.
Mr. BROJDEN said, the advance was to be made for effect-
ing a great public improvement, as had been done in many
other cases, and he thought such an advance could not be made
for a better purpose than that of building a new bridge.
Mr. II UME said the Government had objected,- and, an it
1 appeared to him very properly, to make such an advance. If
they did so for the' purpose of building London Bridge, he did
not see on what principle they could refuse to attend to the ap..-
plications which were constantly being made, for assistance to
build bridges, and make other improvements elsewhere. Be
wished to know whether such applications were in all instances
tale attenied to, or whether this was to be a solitary case.—
Supposing such to be the intention, he did not ace why the
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lethitants of Carlisle and other places, should be called upon to
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contribute to the biniding of a new Lotidon Bridge.
Mr. Alderman WOOD thought his lion. Friend had not
taken a right view of this subject. lie then described the sa.
orifices made by the City of London tO effect this great object,
I' and stated that -the money to be adtanced was not to be ad.vanced all at once. It would be seven years 'before the whole
amount called Jim would be paid, and, in his opinion, a better
Imeasure could not be proposed to the House The SPEAKER snit], the only question that could be raised
I now was whether or not the advace .proposed to be made
I ought to be advanced from the Censon lidered Fund. The sum
to be called for was . Atri
aletner this Should be
vanced as a loan, or in another way, Was matter for future con.
sideration.
Mr. H. SUMNER did not consider this advance was to be
made as a loan, brit as a contribution towards the expense
eland on acc,itnt of the proposed alteration, which would
amount to 650,000/. The Bridge itself would not cog more
then 400,000!, ; but as it was thought it would be a reproach'
to the Metropolis, if the approaches
to the Bridge were not to
correspond with the Bridge itself in magnificence, this caused
'the additional outlay. I
GOlTlMittee did not like to
commence tkir operations before they were enabled to see
their way through the undertaking. The rebuilding of the
Bridge, would, save many liver.; u;(1 As a national work and
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an ornament to the ,Metropolis, lie did not see that those who
lived at a distance ought to object to contribute to the expense.
Mr. RICA RDO said, to the money was not to be lost, if
interest were to be paid on the sum advanced, er if the cn'ntal were to be paid, 'he should agree with the last speaker. The
Resolution was agreed to.
ASSESSED TAxEs.
Mr. MO:MEN brought tip
on the 'c A
'composition for the sussed Taxes, which Was agreed
to, and a Bill ordered. the R port of the Committee e
RECIPROCITY OF DUTIES. •
HUSKISSON moved that the H a
ouse should go into
Committee on the above Bill.
The motion inns ugreed to, and the House resolved itself into
the Committee.

Mr. addressed the Committee in explanation
of the objects of the 'Bill. English ships, he stated, had been
allowed by the laws of this country to import goods hot
foreign countries under the circumstances of advantage which
were denied to foreign vessels. This could not have proved
beneficial bad no foreign nations for a time acquiesced in
it. Their attention once directed to it, the edvantages'
which had been enjoyed by this country were not likely to
continue. It had so happened that that country which was
next to this in inercentile importance, the United States of
America, on looking into this S hj ec t., had been induced to re-
taw on Entileed, by iniposing heavier duties on goods ini-
ported in Bntisit ships, than attached to those carried Over
in
vessels belonging to the United States. (heat inconvenience
resulted frent this, as it was obvious that if the duties were so
high that they more than counterbalanced the height, no goods
would be imported into either country, but thole carried by
ships belonytng to that country... In consequence of this both
nations had agreed to abate that war of prohibitory duties
that had been waged, and now the same duties attached to
goods transported in English ships as were paid on those which
went in American .vessels, a _like advantage having been
giveo to the subjects of America trading to this' couutry.—
'ln (=sequence of this arrarigetnent, we, had been , obliged
to make a similar change in , favour of Portugal, as ws
stocd bound by treaty to place that country on a footing
with the most favoured" nations. After this other countries
were induced to have recourse to measures similar to those
which had been atlopted.hy America. In July, 11;21, the Goe
vernment of the. United Netherlands passed a law, imposing 4
duty of 10 per cent; on goods imptneed in Foreign vessels,
over and above that to which those imported in other' were
liable. There was _reason to believe, from the mauler In which'
'this law had been passed by the Government of the _United
Netherlands, that the object in view was rather to warn us
against persevering in our present policy, than, to. make the
change which had been anneutierd a part or their permanent
system, as the laW, though pasted It2l, was not to take
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the htvihning ' Prussia m like manner had
now raised her duties, and iodinated that it was her intention,if England peeseveraiu,ter present PolleY, to follow her ex. '
ample. Under these eiremnstancs he thought it desirable that a
ineasure ofre'ciproeity should be adopt ed toregulate our commer-
cial intercourse with other nations. lie was sure this would
provn,beneficial in a tglitical poiwenbl abate
those Sourees-ofjealousy Anti initatiPTl which 'had hitherto exist.ed. 'Vitiate who argued in favour ore different line of policy For-
nt pf view, it
got that commerce wits not the t iid but the means of Increasing
the wealth °firmalrd, and that any thing which gave effect to
thoae means must oenetit all parties, but especially that country
which had the grchtest share of commerce and capital. lie knew
that in certain quarters it was apprehended that the mea-
sure now contemplated would prove prejudieltd to the nevi.:
gation of Great Britain. But in' thought the shipping :interest
of this country had nothing to fear from competition '*itit
that of any other nation. It was not for the benefit of the,

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' community that a course: should be persevered in, whi 'Ai, if
ships went out to Holland or any other places Icith goods,
would compel them to make one of gieir voyages in ballast.
If he sent a waggon empty to Birmingham there to be. lo.uled,
an expellee would naturally attach to the .procettling for which
the. consumer of the goiids would not be much obliged to him.
With the advantages which this country possessed, he would
not suppose it was unable to compete with any other. The
measure :now proposed, he was confident, would .promote the
interests of this country, as lie was convinced that it was for
the interest of England to have her commereisl relations ex-
tended in all parts of the world. The mode which hu now pro.
poSed for the regulation of commercial duties, was to give
power to the King in Council to declare that the duti a attach.
mg to goods imported in foreign vessels, should be but equal
to those which attached to tuerchantlize exported in British
vessels to the countries front which foreign vessels came. It
was, however, necessary, in case other nations would con_
tinue to impose high duties on goods carried out in }lritish vessels, to give the King in Council the power of retaliation.—
Ilowas aware that some jealousy might be excited by a prop°.
sition which went to give the Crown the power of putting ott
or of taking oil' an impost, but in truth then was but little
ground tbr such jealousy, as it was only proposed to authorize
the Crown to declare it fact, and to apply a pnneiple where this
became necessary. He had reason to know that Prussia was
willing to abate all their discritninatina duties if we did the
same. The. Prussian Minister had declared that :mimed re-
strictions were reciprocal nuisances, which were prejudicial
to the interests of till countries, but noire especially to that
country which had most intercourse and most capital. Ile
therefore was friendly to the principle of affording reciprocal
facilities to the vessels of both nations. The Right tionour..
able Gentleman concluded by moving—," That it is the opinion
of this Committee that his )lajesty be authorized to no-
late, by Order in Council, the duties on Importation and
exportation, so as to admit goods brought to this country in
foreign vessels, with, the like duties, drawbacks, and allow-
ances which were imposed on and granted in favour of goods
carried in English vessels to the countries from which such
vessels carne.il

• Mr. ELLICE said, concurring, as he did, in almost ell that
bad fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman, he would not go
into any length of detail, but he called ort,„the Hight Hon.
Gentleman, as he had done lastlear, to talte.6are that he did
put the shipping of this country on the same footing as that
on which the shipping interest of other cOuntries stood, He
expressed it to be his intention to support the nitasure in every
stage. _ _

• Sir. SYKES hoped the Right4fon, Gentleman would pause
before he pressed this measure, that the 'merchants and all con-
nected with the shipping interest might haie time to make those
representations which they might consider necessary. While on
his legs, he, thought it right to direct the attention of the House
to the enormous Consulate fees which were exacted in 80111 Q
places,. and which increased in account in .proportion as the
parts in which the Consuls resided, were distant from this
country.
Air. HUSKISSON had no desire to hurry the measure. lie
wished the Resolutions to be printed, that Gentlemen affected
by them might have an early opportunity of knowing what watt
intended to be carried into effect,
Mr. WALLACE expressed his perfect concurrence with
the Bill. The present ayStem of duties could,:.not continue
without producing retaliatory measures. The Opposition of the
ship,owners to this measure 'he should nut consider :very for-
as in various instances, where they had come forward
in the same way, it had been proved that they were decidedly
in the wrong. lie had no fear that the shipping interest of
England would be found unable to compete with that of other
nations. •
Mr. ROBERTSON thought he could prove that which was
diametrically opposite to what bad been stated by the Right
Hon. President of the Board of Trade. He was satisfied that
our shipping trade was leaving us. Between 1221 and 1823
there was a falling off in ship-building to the amount of 161
his anti 122,0110-tons, and within the same period our nays.
plums had been diminished by 732 ships, 129,000 tons and
8,000 seamen. Ile was of opinion .the present duties ought net
to be abandoned: America had demanded h similar change of
system front France, but the demand had not been complied
with. America upon this had not perseYered in the demand,
nor retaliated, but had contented herself with imposing some
light duties on 'certain commodities. Our shipping interest
could not compete with that of other countries under the
advantages to which it would be exposed if, this measure were
carried.

Sir I. COFFIN thought a great alarm was excited in the
shipping interest about nothing at all.
Mr. _RICARDO thought the present system injurious to all
partieii. was ,opinion that the shipping interest.in this
couclUry could compete with the Shipping interest in any other,
and wished the measure now contemplated to be adopted.
Mr. T. WILSON approved of the .measure, and thought it
Wise; still keeping the power of retaliation in our own hands,
to enable the Government to make concessions in favour-of
other countries..

Mr. IVIARRI 'AT thought imposing higher duties.= qoods
imported in foreign vessels than were paid in - those cart i el in
British ships, must provoke measures of retaliation. 'What
had been stated with respect to France and Atnerica was in-
correct. It was.true that America had claimed reciprocity of
duties, and that, France had refused compliance. The cattle-
quence was that America retaliated. France replied to this by
entbreing sdll higher Judea ; and thus matters went on till no-
thing could be imported to the one country in the ships of the.
other. English *hips were in consequence called in to take
:goods front France to America, and to carry back goods from
America to France, till at length France conceded the point,
and reciprocal diadem between the two countries were now,
established. With sonic reservations, he was in favour of the
measure.
Mr. C. GRANT stated, great inconvenience to be sustained
wider the present system, anti this furnished an unanswerable
argument against postponing the measure till next Scssion. An
additional number 9t Dutch ships bad been recently got ready
to carry on that bustnetts.',- which had heretofore been enjoyed
by this country, and which, if the were not speedily intro-
duced, would pais into the hands of other powers. Our system
was only of value So long as other powers acquiesced in it. The
moment foreign nations came to retaliate is was necessary that
it stimuli give way.
The resolution • wax: then sgreed4to, as las it second resolu-
tion, atithorising the king in Council to impose higher duties
on Moods imported from countries where high duties continued
to he paid, and where similar drawbacks to these granted in
this country. were not allowed.
' The Homo resumed, and the report of the committee order-
ed to,be read on Monday.
GAME LAWS. •
Lard M TLTON' did not know what arrangement would be
made with respect to the (lame Laws in the. present Session,'
but he tose to give, notice that in the next he would move for
leave to bring in a Bill to repeal the Act commonly called
" Mr: Bankes's Act," to prohibit the purchase of (tame. • If
he succeeded in this, he should probably fellow up the men.
sum by inoviug to repeal those laws which prohibited the sale
of Game.

ENG lASI{ CATHOLIC'S':
Lord NUGENrpostponed his motion respecting the dis-
qualification of English Catholics till Tuesday.
BEER RETAIL BILL.
' Mr. BROUGHAM postponed the becond reading of the
Beer Retail Bill till Monday.
The Report of the Reeognizaves Bill was breught up and
agreed to, and the ordered to be read u third time on
Alonday. . • .

601,, RN moved that the house should go into a
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Committee On the Commutation of Tithes Bill.
Air. DOM IN ICK BROWNE objected to V 4401.0 provisions
of the bill, and especially to the manner in which it was intend.
eti the Vestry should be composed," by which an arbitrator was
to be appointed.
Mr. DENNIS BROWNE also °Named thobill. Ile corn.
plained of the course taken by England pulling down the
woolltn manufactory in Ireland, and discouraging the 4.:rowth
of tobacco, and now be complained that a lambert was to be
imposed an the country from which it had been exemPteti by a
positivel.cty. Ile could wish this measure postponed till next
Session, to atibta time-Air the land% on which this charge was
to be-thrown to he valued by a commission, anti with such
talon he would be;cantekt,
ALVUITCR9II/IIV, tbough he believ,id the present bill
involved feel it lei.: dot): to oppo,kv,
was anxious that it might now go to the Committee, that the I
aubject might he fully and fairly etuntidtzeti.
NEWPOitT thcittght the Bill might Ito -iinproved iii
a Cattinftiee, so as render it-unobjectionable in principle!
Alr. W. BANK ES objected to the Bill front the ootvinttice.
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