The Sun.
London, England, 1823-06-17 00:00:00

HOUSE OF COMMONS.

The St. Andrew's, Holborn; Tithes Composition Bill was
read a third time, and passed.
The Limerick (city) Local Taxation Bill was rend a third
time, and (after a short discussion, in which Mr. Walborn, Mr.
Dawson, Mr. IL Gurney, Mr. fMratly Mr. S. Rice, and Dr.
Phillimore, took a part) wail ,n sell,
Li/NDON.IAREDGE BILL.
On the motion of Mr. AMC-in-lan NVoon, the House re.
-solved itself into a Committee .'on this Bill, Sir 0. CLERK
in the chair.

• Several clauses were agreed M,'without any amendment. On
the clause relating to the plan of thc! Midge,
Alderman WOOD moved tlmt tine words " specification of
the plan" be omitted.

After a discussion,'in which various Members took a part,
the House divided, when there appeared
For Mclennan
,Wood's amendment, 4 Against it, 60—
Majority, 76. • e:
On the clause tor graiting 11111613/4from the Consolidated
Fund, by instalments, for the buiding of a new bridge,
Mr; lIUMI objected to the giAnt, unless an arrangeinent
were made to secure the repayment of it to the public. If the
Government had more money than it wanted; it ought to remit
it to the nation in taxes. He believed that the City of London
did novwant a new bridge, and that it was a gross Job. Etery
purposerof a new bridge might be answered by inereasingthe
water-Way of the old one, which he understood might be effect-
ed for 100,0001. • 1
• Air. 11, SUMNER said, that if 'the new bridge were a job,
he was the author of it but he altogether denied that it was a
job. Ile entered into some details to show that the present
LOndon-bridge 18 a nuisance.
The CHANCIN,Wit of the EXCHEQUER' confessed
that he had originally been reluctant, to make this grant to the
City of 'London without seeing means provided for its repayment.
He considered that the building of. London-bridge was not
merely a local, but also a national measure. lie hail once
thought of endeavouring to obtain repayment by imposing a
toll at London-bridge; but he found that it would create so
much public inconvenience, that be soon rejected such a plan.
,Ultimately, he thought himself' justified in making the grant
without any stipulation for its repayment.
After a few words front :11 aNcx; the Lola) MAtott
opposed the clause, and moved that the Chairman do now re-
port progress.
Sir G. CocKßUlt2sr; Mr. G. BENNET, Rad Mr. n. SUMNER
supported the clause.
Air. FIUME wished to ask the Chancellor of the Exchequer
why he would not consent to give the public a reversionary
'claim on the Orphans' Fund for the money thus advanced ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that
it was not quite clear that it would be jest to continue the duty'
:imposed for the Orphans' Fund.
After a remark fro:a Sir H. PARNELL, the Committee
divided—

For the clause
Against it -
MaJprity -

-1;9

On the Oestiort That the Chairman leave the Chair,
The LORD MAYOR proposed a clause to, compel the un-
dertakers to make good damage done to the barge walks and
bridges, and to private property along the banks of the Thames
as high as Teddington.
After a few' words front Sir G. Cocrtntrnx L , Mr. CAvEItT,
Alderman Woos, and the LORD .;14Yott, the elauie was
brought up and negatived.
Mr. CA.LVERT proposed a clause on the part of the owners
of wharfs, &c. between'LOndon and Waterloo bridges, to com-
pel the city, as conservators of the Thafries, to erect sufficient
darns walls, and banks, to protect private property.
This clause was negativecl,at the suggestion Of Sir GEORGE
without being brought up.
E said he should be happy, `were it possible, to
inirnduee a clause to make the promoters of this new. project
responsible for all the injury it would 'OCeasion.
The CU A tHMAN then left his seat, and it was ordered that
the report should be brought up to-morrow.

•
IRISH TITRES.
• Mr. G6I3LBURN., moved the ordor of the day, that the
/louse
_go into a Committee on the Irish Tithes' Cot posi ion 11111.
On She question that the SPLak,:7 leave the Chair for that
purpose,.
Mr. ,GAR 17,141,1 s said, that this Bill wonld either operate
Us a criminal delusion to the suffering people of Ireland, or as
aet of injustice towards the cler progress. countrythis
account he should resist its further The lion. Gent.
also complained, that at the opening of the suasion, thornest
flattering promises had been held out of relief to Ireland ; yet,
the 16th of June had arrived and. not one of those promises
had been performed. ,lie moved that the Bill be recommitted
on this daysismontha._ _

Mr. (10U1,11URN defended the measure, and expressed his
hope that the House would proceed to render it as perfect as
possible, though some of the objects originally in his view
might not he accomplished by it,
Mr. 'WETHERELL said, that as no man could expect
that the Hill would ultimateli'pass, it was only a useless waste
of time and labour to proceed night after night with the dis,:
cus.sion of the various clauses.

Mr. GAI,CIIArr observed, that it would be but fair to let
the Right Hun. Gentleman complete the measure he had be.
If tiro. House rejected gun : believed that nothing could give him (Mr. Goulburn)
or his friends greater setisfavtion than to be lowed from their
own measure.the Right Hon.
Gentleman would only have to return to Ireland, and to tell
the Bill,
the people there that he had had the most benevolent and
praiseworthy view towards them e but that the-House of Com-
mons, regardless of the interests of Ireland, had refused to
let him proceed with a Bill, which, if completed and perfected
as he wished, would have remedied all the grievances now com-
plained of.
Colonel BARRY thought that it would be better to put an
extinguisher on the Bill at once, rather than hurry it through
in the Present. session. Ile had no objection to proceed with
the completion of the Bill it it were to stand over.
Mr. W. BA NICES supported the amendment, as the Bill in
no shape could be rendered palatable to him.
Mt. S. RICE concurred in the amendment, but gave Go-
vernment some credit for a disposition to remedy existing evils.
He feared, however, that this measure was not capable of mo.
dilication. He had not said on a former occasion, that the
comnintatiort for the clergy ought to he calculated upon the
average receipts of the last three years, but upon the average of
a series of years.
Mr. HUME contended that the Holum hail great reason to
complain that Ministers had abandoned the ground upon which
they introduced the Bill. When it was first introduced, he had
asked the Bight lion, Gentleman whether the commutation
was to, be calculated upon the actual money receipts; and the
answer was in the affirmative, calculating on an average of
years. Now the Right Hon. Gentleman had brought in a
clause to •add one.third more to those receipts. He (Mr.
Homo) thought that -the amendment Weithl defeat the object
of the lion. Gentleman (Mr. A. Fallis:) If he wished to do
away with the delusion, let him allow the delusion to be corn.
pleted, and then-it would be seen how idly Ministers had been
legislating.
3ir, GOI3LBUR m N maintained that his conduct had been
consistent with the answer he had given to Mr. Hume in the
opening of this business.
Mr. PEEL argued that no delusion hall been attempted by
Government. Of this he was certain, thet-je the present bill
wee lost, he should despair of originating any one which could
be satisfactory.
Mr. ABERCROSIBY considered the bill as utterly useless
without the modified compulsory clause, and Proposed there.
fore to vote for the amendment. He, for Ills own part, earl-
buted the rejection of that clause entirely to the Hight !lon.
Secretary's (Mr. Yea's) sitting thy the University of Oxford.
Air. CANNING admitt
ed.the inconvenience of occietionally
giving the clergyman an augmentation of his income, but
thought it fear more dangerous to break' through the rule upon
which Government had uniformly acted, of never compelling
any tranefer of property without giving the most ample mdem,
nity. Ile trusted that the bill would not lie lost in its present
stage. I fit was worth while to put it over to the next Session,
let it at least be first Completed. • -
Lord EBRINGTON supported the amendment.
AIL V. FiTZCIERAI,Ii ((as we understood -him) took the
tame aide.
General HART said a few words which did not reach the
gallery.
Mr.
RICARDO suggested the impossibility of
actly, und.,,r any circumstances, what Should be the right of
the alert; man.
'd yNN supported the principle of ample compen-
ation. He 1 eg4.ed to remind t e House, that in dealing with

tithes, it was not dealing merely with church-property; one-
third of the tithes M Ireland belonged to lay.impropriators.
Sir J. STE WART said, that if the clergyman got.the ave.
rage of the last 7 years without any addition, he got More than
he was entitled to. It was better, he thought, to put an extin-
guisher upon the present Bill at onei.
-Mr. CALCRArr said, that if the amendment was rejected,
he would himself proposia modified compulsory clause.
After a few words front Lord A. IlAmivrox, the. House
divided, and the numbers were
For the Amendment, $8 I Against it, 51 I Majority for the
Bill, 15.
On re-entecing the gallery, we found the House. iit-a Com-
mittee upon the
Colonel BARRY said, that he apprehended the Bill would
be recommitted after it was reprinted with the alterations.
Mr. UOULBURN said, that the House would be beit able
to decide upon that point on seeing the Bill reprinted.
A discussion took place upon the nature of the applotment,
the question being whether the net or gross produce of the lands
should be taken for the basis in tisiugit'v'Vrttibus verbal amend-
ments were proposed,'some of which were carried.
The Committee proceethxl to discuss the several clauses of
the Bit. ..
A varV. 7 'lf verbal alterations having been agreed, to,
The C1...1RMA:4 reported progress, and obtained lettiefo sit
again on Wednesday next.
The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at about a QUARTER TO Two °Timex.

A LIST OF THE MAJORITY
WHO VOTE!) AGAINST R. WESTERN'S MOTION,
That a Committee be appointed to take into consideration
• the changes that have been made in the value of the Cur.
rency between the year 1793, and the present time, and the
consequences produced thereby:upnn the Money Income of
- the Country, derived. from its industry ; the amount of the
Public Debt and Taxes considered relatively to the Money
Income of the country ; and the effect of such changes of the
Currency upon the Money Contracts between Individuals."
A rbuthnot, Rt Hon. Pane, John Palmerston Lord
C. Vorhes, C. Peel, Rt, lion. R.
Bankes, Henry Forre3tr C. 'W. Pennant, G. H. D.
Baring, A. Gordon, Hon. W. Percy, Hon. W. H.
garrettt, Goulburn,RtHnli. Proby, Hon. G. L.
Bective, Lord Grant, G. M. Porcher, H.
Bentinck, Lord F. Harvey, C. Powlett, lion. W.
Bernal, Ralph Berries, J. C. Ricardo, David
Bernard, Visct. Hulse, Sir C. Rice, Hon. 0.
Brecknock, Earl of Hume, J. Kiel ford, W.
Brown, P. Jervoise, G. P. Robinson,lttlln.F.
Brown e, Rt. Hen. D. Jones, John Rose, Rt. I en.Si r
Bruce, R. Irving, John Ross, C.
Buchanan,
.John King, Hon. Sebright, Sir J.
Calvert, J. Knox, Hon. T. Scarlett,.. J.
Campbell, A. Lamb, Hon. W. • Smith, Robt.
Canning. Rt.lln.o. ' Lewis, Sotheron, F.
Cheer,, E. M. Littleton, E. . Stanley,
Clinton, 11. F. Long, Rt.lln. Sir C. Sultrier,' G.
Cocks, J. Lovaine, Lord Talbot, R. W.
Cooper, R. B Lowther, .Townshend,Hn.ll.
Corbett, Panton Lowther, J. H. Trench, F. W.
Coartcnoy, T. Lushingtop, S. R. Thompson, L.
Crailey, Samuel Moberly, J. Tulk, C. A.
guile, J. . Moberly, W. L. Walker, Josh.
Cust, lion. P. Macnaughten,E.A. Wells, John
Dawkins, li. Manning, W. Wilbraham, E. B.
Dawson, G. R. Martin, R. Wilson, Thomas
Dickinson, W. Martin, Sir T. 11. Wynne, C.
Douglas, 'W. K. Munday, U.
Duncone, W. Nightingall, Sir M. TEI.I.E it s.
Egerton, W. Ommaney, Sir F. Clerk, Sir G.
Ellis, T. 'Osborne, Sir J. Huskisson,ltt.llon.
Evans, William Oxmantown, Lord W.

• MINORITY
Attwood, M. Gordon, R. Pryse, P.
Benett, John Grant, J. P. Palmer, C. F.
Bennet,Hoti.H.G. Griffith, J. W. Pelham, J. t'.
Barham, J. P. Hamilton, Lord A. Tennyson, 1.
Brougham, Henry lloneywood, W. P. Wells, .L ,
Browne, .111. James, IV. Wodebouse, I:d.
Denison, W. J. Leyeester, Ralph Wood, AL:eon:ln
Ellice, Ed. Maxwell, J. W. Tvr.r.Ens.
Ellis, Hon, 0. A. Monek, J. B. Tltchfield, '%tarci. of
Folkestone, Visa. Moore, Peter Wisstern, C. C.