The Sun.
London, England, 1815-03-17 00:00:00

:t.'ANrFACTORYraNDOW TAX.

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Lord GIIEN (.LE stated that he had ifi hi. hand a Peti-
ti,,n azailist the proposed Tax on Manufactory and Warehouse
\`'nlow.i. He was apprehensive, however, that he could
ia,t, according to their Lordships' rules, present a Petition
:-zaiiist a specific measure which was not before the 'louse ;
he must, therefore, defer presenting it till the measttre
- catoe before their Lordships, it, unfortunately, it should
ever come. It was a nio4 impolitic and cruel Tax.
The Earl of LIVERPOOL said, that the Petition could nut
now be pre,ented ; hut. besides, it night be a que,tion after-
whether any Petition could he received' against a Tax
Rill in progress. It could not in the other House.

Marine Mutiny Bill, and the Irish Brown Linen Bill;
were read a third time, and passed.

AMERICAN TREATY.

The Elrl of LIVERPOOL laid the American
Treaty on the table, and stated that he should
thovi that it he taken into consideration on Wed-
lt,Aday.

. E3ll GR F. 7 requested to know whether it was
intention of the Noble Earl to lay any papers
tot the table relative to the Neg-ociation
(..oncholed with the Treaty of Ghent ? It was ne-
cessary that tlige House should have information
on that subject before they could pronounce on
the conduct of Ministers, or deft!' 'nine whether
t%c•Trcaty was such as under the circumstances
tmglit to hate been concluded.. - •
The Earl-of LivEapoor. said he had no inten-
tioo to presetir any such papers ; nor was it at all
usual to do.so when a negtciation ended in peace.
It it hAti been broken off, then it :night have been
proper to present the papers : but as it was, the
H won'd he called upon merely for a general
App rohn t ion Of the Treaty. ,
Earl Gai.-.17 insisted that the production of the
papers_ to which he alluded were absolutely ne-
ees.,lu, to enable their Lordships to decide cor-
rectly on the merits of the Treaty itself. If ex-
travagant pretensions were first set up—if terms
were offered by the Americans, which were at.
first haughtily rejected, and afterwards. accepted
consequence of loss and defeat., it might .he •
necessary to inquire, whether the character and
honour of the country had not been conipromised?
INTERESTS OF AGRICULTURE.

The Order of the Day upon which their Lord-
ships were summoned, being read ;
Karl STANHOPE rose to bring forward his
promised motion on this subject, wille] he pre-
, faced with a variety of observations. The
line of the Noble Earl's argumentation and
detailed reference, were nearly similar to those
• wlAch_ he used on tuovipg his resoktions
last Session pro forth, which he now proposed
for the adoption of the HOuse. lie approved of
the principle advanced last niizlit by a Noble Earl
high in odiee,--that it.was essentially necessary to
encourage the agriculture or the country ; in this
lie Cordially agreed with hint, and it was one of
the principal objects of what Ise was about to pro-
rose to encourage agriculture, by relieving the
farmers in the only way they should be relieved,
and to enable them to sell bread at a cheap and
reasonable rate to the consumer, by relieving him
from those arts of taxation that bore the heaviest
on his agi iJns!tural pursuits. This principle was
recognised by many of the Petitions with which
their Lordships' table was loaded ; hut more espe-
cially by t-hat of Corn Growers of Peterborough
and its vicinity, in which his proposed Reso-
lutions were adverted to in a way worthy the most
serious attention of the House. In illustration
of his positions, the Noble Earl referred to cer-
• tain pa'rts of the evidence given before their Lord-
ships' Committee ; but more particularly to that
given by Mr. James Buxtou, who, other
very mater al points, stated that in 1792, the
whole expencqs of his farm, for labour was 2741.
odd ; that, in 1812, those expellees came.. to 8161.;
and that upon the same quantity of land, and for
the same degree or scale of improvement. That
the poor's rates of the same farm were in 1792,
171. 19s. ; that in 1812 they amounted to 1661.
That his other farming expellees were increased in
proportiou. How was it possible then a Man so
circumstanced could go on in his business, but by
increasing the price of his commodity What
was the cause of all this, but the crowding tax
upon tax upon the farmer, and conseqiumtly
upon the labouring poor of - the communitY.—
After some farther observations on this Fin-
ciple and spirit, the Noble Earl proposed his Re-
solutions, which appeared to be very similar to
• those he moved in the first instance, and which I
we hare repeatedly stated
• " Resolved, That to pro snle for the public an ample sup-
p!v of provisions, is at all times a national object of the very
first imPortance.
" But this ample supply of provisions cannot at all times
he provided, unless due encouragement he • given to the
• grower , Corn in Great Britain and Ireland, so as to enable
them to carry on the bnproven system of agriculture, and to
enable titian to sell the produce of the same on moderate
terms to the consumers.
• "That io order to procure these essential, united object',
it is expedient that those taxes which hear most.heavilv on j
agriculture on the one hand, or on the labouring part of the j
community on the other, be repealed, asitar as the return of
peace may enable the same to he done, tonsistentiv with the
tecpiaz glue faith to the public creditor, and pi oviding for a
sufficient peace eslahlishment,"
Ile subnotted these ResOlutions, afterwhat had
passed, with great confidence. He thought the
principle laid down should be supported, 1101 Only
by all arose who were inimical to, but by'al! those
ts}io voted for the Corn Bill; and were their
Lordships to record the principle, he thought it
must have its due weight in deterring the Com-
r,,,,ns from sending up tax bills of the nature con-
templated.
Oa the question ;
The Err; of L:YEtzroot:felt it his ditty to object
to the a‘loptiou of the Resolutions 'referring to
expe.lients which Noble fiords most know could
'not he carried into execution. The impropriety
Bruit be piain to all, of drittiling persons by liold •
iug out hopes of repeal which it was irnpractica-
ble to realise. Their -Lordships all knew w4tat
the situation of the country was with respect to
its revenue and system of taxation, now that the
interes'.. 01 the National fieht, including the Sink-

inn F,1;1:!, ,x; ,s !:He less 1.1 ,11711 And
that in the present 3tate->ot attatu, and the world,
a certain scale of cAtahlkinoeut in respect to the
Navy, Ow Army, - 'and iu other things, was ne-
cessary Co be ktpt cif, erley may be certain,
however, that ,ho,e r.taldi.laments would not he
kept op on a scale higher than the necessity of
the S'itAr t'XMCItd. Putt it he wise or pro-
per, or did it stand to reason, that hopes Should'
he now held out, when they knew what mbNt be
reserved for the public creditor, which, in point
of fact, could not he realised ? With respect• to
the weight of taxation so part ieularly adverted to
by the Noble Bari, hr hel;eved the inconvenien-:
ces, whatever they may be, resulted Iliore from
the extort of the taxes Ono) from the mode .of
their distribution. With every disposition to re-
lieve all classes of his Majesty's subjects in that
way as far as the same could consistently he done,
he must say he had ilek er vet seen any plan for the
reductions alhided to which could he carried into
effect. When such at p:an could be 'nod:lced,
then Av.ould be the time fur considering such pro-
positions. At present the adoption ,of .the pro-
posed resolutions could -be attended witli,frno good
whatever, but may be of mischievons tendency.
He should therefore beg leaie to move the pre-
vious question.

Earl GREY expressed his strict concurrence in
part of what had fallen from the Noble Earl who
spoke last, .-and deprecated the holding out false
hopes as to reduction of taxes, where circum-
stances would not adusit of it. He trusted that. the
' Peace Establishments would be as far as possible
fornted on principles of strict econotny---,Whik he
glanced at that point, be would take the opportu-
nity of expressing his hope that those expecta-
tions of retrenchment and economy, which wen.:
naturally entertained front the return ix peace,
would not be disappointed in consequence of any
injudicious interference with respect. toy the COO-
- of France, if that country were again des-
tined, unfortunately, to be the Scene of internal
discord, or warfare. He thought it his duty to
say thus much ; and farther, that when the Peace
Establishments should come to he regularly -ar-
ranged, it was hoped that they would be confined
within the lowt.st practicable limits; as there was
no reason to exceed that Peace Establishment
which had been fixed, after so much discussion,
for the year ninety-two.
Earl. STANHoPE spoke in explanation, and ex-
pressed his determination to take the sense 9f the
House 6n iris proposition.
A division accordingly took place, when there
appeared—
'For the Re'soln:ions
- For the previous ip....tstlon 3O
Majorit
ACter forwarding the Bills upon the table, their
Lordships adjourned.

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