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London, England, 1840-07-10 00:00:00

EVEN 1N ti EDITION.

Cross-examined by the AT TORNE.Y. GENERAL— 113 was
Lemeee 20 eed 30 elieu lie marl ied ta,v eisier. I did
feeow him befere. He tees a good deal given to driek.
I believer it was after these drunken buuts that he dis-
played this violent turn. When be was at Pctworth we
took him before a Magistrate for breaking the things and
threatening our lives. He was allowed to leave the
Bridewell on promising to go to London. He continued
his habit of drinking. At Greenwich he went about the
hospital like any of the other pensioners.
By Lord DENMAN—He was at Greenwich for five years.
Sophia Oxford—l live at Bishops Stnrtford. lam the
widow of the grandfather of the prisoner. My husband
has been dead 11 years. He died in Greenwich Hospital.
I had been married to him thirty.fi se years. I generally
saw him when he came to England. He was generally
very unsettled in his mind. He was addicted to drink.
He was not so much unsettled when he bad ant been
taking liquor. Soon after we were married, be came to my
father's house, and created a great disturbance, and was
taken to Pctworth goal. I have seen him with a strait
waiscoat put on him. That was in 1821. Some waterman
came in and put, it on at Deptford. I sent for them, as I
was is danger. The beadle of the parish, and one or two
more, came to put it on. He had been restless during the
night, and told me be should go to the Borough in the
morning_ I watched him, and sent to the people to put
the waiscoat on. He got very bad, and continued so for
several days. He was fastened down to his bed for
about a day, and the waistcoat was kept on him about
a week. A medical man was called in and the waist.
coat was kept on him several days after be had
seen him. He got better and went to sea in a couple of
months. He was under the care of Sir Richard Dobson
for a complaint in his head, at Greenwieh. I believe it
affected his mind. His bodily health was good towards
the latter part of his life, and his intellect was steady. He
never laboured under any delusion while he was in the
Hospital.
Cross-examined by the ATTORNEY- GENERAL—I was
living with my father when he came to Pctworth. He
wished to give my brothers a treat, which did not suit
them, and he got into a vast rage. He was not in liquor ;
he thought they did not behave well to him and he broke
the things, and we sent him to Bridewell; when he came
- out of Bridewell he and I went to London, and I remained
with him for a month or two until he went to sea.
Maria Bartlett—l am the daughter of the last witness—
my husband is a farrier living in Gray's Inn-line. I re-
member a strait waistcoat being put on my father at Dept.
ford. Some men were sent for, and four came. It was
at about four o'clock in the morning. He was confined to
his bed for a fortnight. •He afterwards went to sea—
I did not see him again until he was in Greenwich Hos-
pital; he did not appear altogether insane, but more an
eccentric character. He said he was the Pope of ktome,
-when Ire was keeping guard at one of the college gates.
itie also said he was St. Paul, and that the Pepe of Rome
had made his escape. These things were said as if he
seriously meant what be said ;he was quite sober. I had
a brother named Peter, younger than myself. He
had a complaint in his head which caused his
head to be light. I think once be was put into the Naval
Asylum. My father, in my judgment, was never of sound
emind.

Cross-examined by Sir F. POLLOCK —I saw my father
last in the year 1831. lam twenty-six years of age. I
have never bad any serious illness. Millen they put the
strait waistcoat on him, he was kept in his own house.
There was a strange manner about him before they put on
the strait waiscoat. He went to sea afterwards in about
six months. His duty while he was on guard was to open
and shut a gate—l never heard him say he was St. Peter.
No doctor saw him at Greenwich—we never mentioned it
to any doctor. The prisoner is my eldest brother's son.
Sarah Kitchen—l am 74 years of age—l am a cousin
Ito the widow of Edward Oxford. I formerly kept a pub
Ric-Louse at Kennington. I remember his coning there
and behavino in- a very singular way. I can't exactly
recollect, as it was thirty years ago, the particulars
of what happened.
Cross-examined—l never saw him but four times in all
my life; I never saw him in liquor.
ti‘nnali Oxford—l am the prisoner's mother. I was
twenty when I married his father. I had known him six
months before. I was living at Birmingham with my
father, who kept the Hope and Anchor tavern. My
husband was an artizan ; be frequented the tavern. Before
'our marriage I thought he was singular altogether, and
toot like any other man. The marriage was not with the
'tsent of our friends. I refused him a great many times.
On, these occasions he pulled a razor out of his pocket,
and vid he would cut his throat if I would not have him.

He produced pistols and poison. He showed me a paper
• of oxalic acid. He followed me with a pistol loaded with
slugs, and said he would shoot himself if I did not have
him, and I then consented. • We-were married in April
• 1818. In the interval several - circurnstances•oeeured
which created. great disturbances at• my father's._ The
. .evening of the day before we were married._ a per--
tk_Nn came to inquire about his -character, and as it was-not
tam. isfactory I said I would not be married to him, _He fell
into a' violent rage, and pulled cut a roll of Bank notes,
and -burnt them. On another occasion he twisted some
Bank nets round his finger, set them on fire, and let
them burn :rut. He said he would keep our marriage se.
eret.. He afterwards quarrelled with my mother, and dis-
closed the marriage. The occasion of his burning the
notes last mentioned was my refusing to have them to pur-
chase furniture before we were married. His average

_earnings were 201. a-week. He was a gold-chaser. He
was once found with a razor in the street by the watch-
:fien. He was crying, and seemed very desponding. I
had seven children. The prisoner is the third child. My
husband's conduct while I was pregnant with the second
~child was brutal . Ha kept me without food so that
el frequently fainted. He broke a jug and threw the pieces
tit•tne. He would imitate the grimaces of a baboon in my
Presence. The child was barely alive when born. It was
a• confirmed idiot. Its countenance exactly resembled the
grimaces made by the father. It lived not quite two years
and a half. It never spoke or walked. It eat voraciously, but
•showed no indication of a sense of reason. After the prisoner
Lwas born I suckled the child and the prisoner together. My
!husband behaved to me in the same manner during my
:iiregnancy with the prisoner. He struck a file into my
hcesset before the birth of the prisoner. He showed the
%um 'St indifference. He did not quarrel with me, but took
the utmost delight in tcazing me. I never provoked him.
Ihave s.ten him lead his horse into the house, take it into
thei sitting room, and lead it about. I have applied to him
for money, aesel he knocked me down and fractured my
need. This wake before the birth of the prisoner. He cut
AY bead while I w'es pregnant with prisoner. When my head
was fractured I was.ebliged to have it shaved and pnulticed.
°nee he left me, telliej me he must go to Partlett's to
firliet a box. On my return, I found the house locked up,
,
of the goods removed, and my husband gone. He
'was arrested next day by the authorities. He afterwards left
.la)e and my children, and went to Dublin for four months.
,reen reasoned with, he said if any one attempted to per-
tne'de him to do any thing, he would act directly opposite.
He ,vionld laugh in a triumphant manner, and had a super-
nature,) look with his eye when he had done wrong.
Ile,, °see ook poison—laudanum, and was ill for several
'aYa after. He died on the 10th June, 1829. I have
several time ~,een his father. I saw him on the occasion
of husband's .death. He said be was determed to lie
by the side of his Jeer boy. My husband was then in his
"ffin- The father appeared to be out of his mind ; he
reproached me with having had my husband's body opened
Without having got anything in return ; this I thought
unnatural in a father. The prisoner was born 19th April,
1822 ; for the first seven years of his life he was under my
care. He would as a child burst out crying when no one was
ar him. He was always very troublesome. •He was
different from otl or children. He was subject to fits of
(.eying. He would get into a violent rage without any
Cause, and deliberately break anything. Ile pointed a
pistol at me the first day ha brought them into the house.
He was fond of fire-arms and gunpowder. As a child he
was fond of playing with gunpowder, and was once injured
In consequence. He has a habit of laughing without
cause, After those gloomy fits and fits of passion he
laughs hysterically. I should say the laugh was
Involuntary. I kept a coffee-house, and he made
'such a noise that the customers complained. I lost
" business entirely in consequence of him. I went to
wlr- Prescott's, the banker, as housekeeper, and remained
year and a half. I placed him with a person named
S-an Ne. After I left Mr. Prescott's these peculiarities
appear 'd to have Increased. I could not manage him at
all. He afterwards went to live with my sister at Houns•
10w, and remained there three years ; from thence he went
t 0 London, and filled situalees in different places
as barman. He was in the ha!eit of going to the
roof of the honse and throwing at people as they passed.
i
Vo was once sent to the station-house for 111%.!tig got be.
"ind a lady's carriage, and frightened her by rn.,..4jug a
; this was six years ago. I never knew that he beloti •
gcd to any club. It was four weeks end three days
before this occurred that I left London, He bad left his
Place ; his wages were 20/. a year. He has had the coat
7 has on About two years. He got a suit of mourning
g'ven him at Mrs. Lintin's death, and these are the clothes
be has on. He was always speaking parts of plays from
child. He wanted to go to him last winter, and said he
hoped to be Admiral Sir Edward Oxford. lie told me
!ne pistols were not his, he was saving them for a young
ratan. He has behaved with violence to me, the day be-
"re I went away, and he appeared very sullen. I know
hie handwriting; I believe the papers produced to be his
bardwriting.
Cross-examiaed bv the SoLterrok-GENEant..—When
he behaved with violence to me before I went away, I said
It was an accident. He was a very little boy when
1" first went to school ; wes seven years old
when I left him to go into a situation. He was placed
t_ Birmingham during the time I was at Mr. Prescott's.
He was barman at his aunt's. It was his duty to serve the
liquor and take the money and count it. He was with
Lintin in the same situation twice; he then went to
"Ir. Barr, and remained with him in the same capacity
T'til he left the house, and he received a sovereign from
the person who took the business, for initiating him.
Ile then went to Mr. Robinson's. He left there of his
"n accord. There was no complaint against him ; they
Were, satisfied with him in every thing except laughing.
'hen he left Mr. Lintin s the first time it was in conse-
inenee of making such mistake.; in giving change, bat he
tauk him beck aeain and kept biro for six months. During
tle last four years he has supported himself in these set--
II:cm Ido not know it lad named Roach, or Gray. I
Lintin ; be associated with the lads of the neigh-
-"ourlioed. He had been home eight days when I wont to
ieminghatn. It was a few days before I left that he
'' ''''sght home tite pistols I resircd him to look out for
another lace 11.• said there was nothing stirring, and
her' •.
611"31-11(i wait until a good pkeee offered rather than
answer advertisements.
.At the conclusion of the ease,
Led DENNIAN said that he had bran .exceedingly no-
;o interfere with the ex,,mination of the prisoner's
n,other, bye' he thought it would be better in the exgroina.
linn of the other witties,es rallier to ask if they had formed
opinion as to the state of the mind of the prisoner, and
the ground., on which they had formed that opiroon, than
(?.lead them into the would Hsiory of his lite. in order to
sAleit aoree circumstance which misaist bear upon the case.
,le did not with to interfere with the der'el.ec ; Lut he
threw
,out that as an observation for the consideration of
Ina Cout.sel.

The Court then adjourned at eight o'clock till to-mor-
row at nine o'clock.

The following noblemen and gin lemen were on the
bench during the course of the day: —His Serene Hi4h
ness the Duke of Brunswick, the Earl of Uxbridge, Lird
Colchester, the Earl of Erroll, Lord Fitzclarence. Mr. R.
Somerset, Mr. Augustus Paget, Mr. W. 0. Stanley, Mr.
Fox Manic, Sir Alexander Morrison, Sir W. Lumley,
Count Nesselrode, and Sir Henry Wheatley.

SECOND DAY'S TRIAL.
The Court met this morning at nine o'clock, pursuant
to adjournment. Shortly before that hour the Attorney
and Solicitor- Generals, Sir F. Pollock, Mr. Adolphus,
Mr. Wightman, and Mr. Gurney, the Counsel for the
Crown, entered the Court. Mr. Sydney Taylor, the
Counsel for the prisoner, bad been there from an early
hour. At nine the Judges took their seats upon the bench,
and the prisoner was placed at the bar. He exhibited no
alteration whatever in his personal appearance. The first
witness celled was
Mary Sumner—l live in Houndsditcb, and am a widow.
My busand once lived at Birmingham, opposite the house
of the prisoner's father. I once knew him ride into his
own parlour on a horse. I heard his wife scream, and
went over and saw him riding round his parlour; of course
I thought he was not right in his mind. Once at dinner
he threw the meat and vegetables out of the window.
Myself and my husband always considered that he must
he out of his mind. He left Birmingham and came to
London in 1820, and then his acts were those of a madman.
Cross-examined by the ATTORNEY-GENERAL—He did
not drink, but used to take a grass of wine or beer occa-
sionally. He used his wife very ill.
By Mr. Baron ALDERSON—I never knew him attended
by any medic ,1 man.
Charles Marklew-1 live in Birmingham. Mrs. Oxford
is my sister. I had the care of the prisoner Edward and
his sister when young. The father came to my house,
kissed the children, and skewed me a bottle through the
window, and swallowed the c)itents of it; I knew it was
laudanum by the smell of the bottle. I said he was a fool,
and desired him to throw it off his stomach ; he could not
do so. I sent him home, and Dr. Burt Davis was sent for
to attend him. I always considered he was in a bad state

of mind.
Cross-examined by the Somerroe-GENERAL—When he
kissed the children he took leave of them; he said nothing
to me. He appeared solid. He was then parted from
his wife. He was a gold chaser. He went to London
shortly after, but came occasionally to Birmingham. He
saw the children ; be never stayed at my house.
By Mr. Baron ALDERSON.--Dr. Burt Davis is still alive.
Dr. Davis examined by Mr. BODKIN—I am a phy-
sician, and the coroner of the county where I live. I at-
tended the husband of Mrs. Oxford on one occasion ; he
was labouring under poisoning by laudanum. I think I
saw him twice ;it was in 1824. fie recovered in conse-
quence of the proper remedies being administered. I can
hardly say whether he was in any danger when I first saw
him. I have been in practice since 1823 ; Ido not think
I had ever seen him before; I never saw him after; I had
no sufficient opportunity of judging of the state of his mind.
I had heard of his odd conduct from others ; I have been
present during this tt
Mr. BooxiN.—From the evidence you have heard, can
you form an opinion as to the sanity of the prisoner ?
Lord DENMAN.—The Jury are to decide that; the wit-
ness cannot do it. He may describe the symptoms of in-
sanity, but he cannot find a verdict instead of the Jury.
Mr. Baron ALDERSON.—You may ask what are the
symptoms of insanity, and then it will be for the Jury to
decide if the prisoner labours under those symptoms.
Mr. BODKIN—Have you formed any opinion of the
sanity of the prisoner? Witness—l have.
Mr. BODKIN—What is that opinion?
Mr. Baron ALDERSON—That is the same question. I
have not only told you you must not put it, but kI2VC told
you how you may put it.
Mr. S. TAYLOR submitted that the question might be
put, and that he had heard such questions put to medical
men.

Lerd DENMAN —I have never permitted such questions
to be put, and will not. It is puffing the witness in place
of the Jury.
Mr. BoDKlN—Supposing a person to fire from a public
road a loaded pistol at her Majesty, without any assignable
motive, and to remain, without attempting to escape, and to
proclaim he was the person who did it, should you consider
him to be mad? Witness—lf there were other hallu-
cinations.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL objected to the course.
Lord Deer...law—Should you say that a person acting in
that manner was mad ? Witness—l should.
Mr. BODKIN —lf in addition to that the prisoner had
written the papers you have heard read, would that confirm
your opinion ? Witness—lt would.
Cross-examined by Sir F. PoLLocx—l do not recollect
the remedies administered to the prisoner's father. I do
sot recollect the particulars of the case. It is impressed
upon my memory by the fact of his having been a man of
colour. I received from others the information that he had
taken laudanum. He was not in such a condition that I
could farm any opinion as to his state of mind. I answer
the questions put to me relating to insanity as a medical
man. If as a physician I were employed to ascertain a
person's state of mind, and found those symptoms, I should
state that he was mad.
By Mr. Baron ALDERSON—I am far from considering
every crime as indicating madness. I form my opinion in
this case from the openness with which it was committed,
the want of precaution, the free discussion of the subject
afterwards, and the admission that balls were in the pistols.
Mr. Baron ALDERSON-110w do you know that that is a
point to be discussed ? Go on. Witness—The free dis-
cussion of the subject.
Mr. Baron ALDERSON—Might not a person have writ.
ten those papers, and left them in his room without being
mad ? Witness—Certainly.
Mr. Baron AI,DERSON—It besides depends upon the
hypothesis of those papers not being genuine.
Lord DENMAN—Might not a person contemplating
crime, and also the plea of insanity, have written those
papers ? Witness—He might.
John Wright—l am a sergeant in the Birmingham
police. I knew the prisoner's father in 1831. Ho had
wild and mad ways with him, and was a great brute to
his wife. I have seen him strike her. I should not
think he was right in his head half his time. I was ar-
ticled to him to learn gold chasing.
Cross-examined by the ATTORNEY • GENERAL —I had
Eknown him a fortnight before being articled to him. My
rother knew him, and recommended me to become his ap-
prentice. I remained three months with him. He drank
and gambled a good deal.
Re-examined—While his wife was pregnant with the
prisoner he pointed a loaded pistol at her. I told him it
was loaded, he then began to make faces at her.
Robert Med—l live at Birmingham. I knew the father
of this lad for five years before and after his mrrriage. I
consider him to have been in a very unsound state of mind.
Cross-examined by the SOLICITOR- GENERAL—I consider
he was road because once he secreted a Bible and Prayer-
book, and laughed at it, and once he pretended to cut his
throe, and frightened the women, and then ran off foolishly
for a doctor. We got the knife from him, and then he
went into his shop and burst out laughing. He was a man
given to play pranks to frighten people. When the
doctor came Oxford laughed at him.
By the COURT— When he had money he was a complete
madman—he could not keep it
Mr. Partridge—l am a surgeon at Birmingham. I
know Mrs. Oxford. I have attended her more than once
for injuries inflicted on her head by her husband.
George Sandon.—l am a tailor, and reside at Bir-
mingham. The prisoner was under my care for twelve
months in 1830 I have not known him either previously
or since. While with me he was a very peculiar boy.
He was subject to many rash tricks when he was out. I
considered that be was not right in his mind, and that was
the reason I sent him home to his friends.
Cross-examined by Sir F. PoLLocK.—He would beat
other children with nettles; ho would laugh and cry
both at one time, and when asked the reason, instead of
giving a straightforward answer would run away. He could
not write at that time, and could read but little. I often
taught him to read. He improved some little while
under my care, but he was mcre inclined to be wild.
I used to correct him, and box his ears, and instead
of crying lie would give a very peculiar laugh. I did not
like to be very harsh with him. I never bit him above
twice in my life. I never locked him up. Ho was al-
ways mischievous in the extreme.
Mr. Benjamin Walters —I reside in Birmingham, and
am :Tent for the Birmingham Brewery. The prisoner
was under my care in 1832 for about a year and a half
conduct was different from that of other boys. He
was quick at what I set hies to do when his attention was
jirected to it. I considered him unsound in mind.
m 'rambled by the ATTORNEY-GENERAL—He was
with fee at
school. He was a quick lad, and made
considerable progress. He lamed reeding and writing,
and is a good scholar. He was idle, and mischievous to the
other boys. I have punished him fur late attendance at
school. I punished him with a cane, as I did other mis-
chievous boys. I have caned him for playing mischievous
tricks to other boys, and went on so from time to time
during his stay with me.
Louisa Powell—l formerly kept the King's Head, at
Hounslow. I am the prisoner's aunt. He lived with me
for two years. I consider he was in an unsound state of
mind from the time he came to me till lie left.
Cross-examined by the SOLICITOR-GENERAL--Mine
was the first place he was ia. His duty was to be in the
spirits and beer. He also went out with
draw
He would have to receive money. I had been
bar,ia
nr articles.
businesselaettsd.
threeyears and a. half before he came. I re-
mained a year after he had quitted my service. He had
to learn the business of me. He had no books to keep.
fit used to account to me, but not always. When he left
me be went to live with Mr. Minton at the Shepherd and
F:ock. Mr. Minton never made any application to me
as to character. He one night put out all the lights when
the room was full of company. There was great confusion,
and I, who was ill in bed, was obliged to getup. He did
net know why be did it, and was crying violently. He
had been with me a twelvemonth at that time. He was
very absent. He read very mush..-.generally sea.voyeees.
Ile iwed to talk in a very random way. He left me of his
n:: t 1 accord. lie was taken before a Nlagistrato and fined
ij. some weeks before he left me. I paid it for him. He
was vary ire-used,
and ought to have had those who sum-
the Magistrate.
of becoming a very great man.
I moned before
Fccer ; in 1837 I was a
JRoes-cepeha mpi
anye.dflliaeme ea' ee
greend
corporal in the 2d Battalion Grenadier Guards, quartered
at Hounslow. I knew the last witness, and went frequently
to her house ; I saw the. prisoner there frequently, and
think he wag
beer into the tap-
, ISe—At times he
Cross-examined
of u
b sir
tLsouynd..rnindF.. p
OLLOC
would make mistakes in bringing tea
room, and lay hold of the servant girl and behave
perly to her, I bad been brutally knocked down on one
occasion at some other house, and was brought to Mrs
Powell's, and prisoner asked ehether he was a tall, a. short,
or thick man. I went there a few days after again, and he
seemed pleased at the injuries I had received; this made
me think him uusounds
Mary Ann Fort man.-1 was living at Mr. Minton's, at
the Shepherd end Flank while the priEmer was there for

eighteen months. I consider him of unsound mind. Mr.
Minton is in Berkshire, but I do not know where.
Cross-examined—He was bar-man, and I was bar-
maid for eighteen months ; during that time he served in
the bar, and received the money, and accounted for it to
Mr. Minton. He slept in the house during that time. He
went out little. He had no doctors to attend him, He
did not go to church on Sundays ; he hal no time be slid
to get out. He went to Mr. Fare's, Mr. Minton gave
him a good character—all but his laughing and strange

ways,
Re-examined—He would, if he made any mistake, burst
out laughing, and sometimes crying. He had only to put
the money in the till; there was a bar-man over him.
Wm. Hazlewood—l was head bar-man at the Shepherd
and Flook while prisoner was there. I have frequently
observed his strange habit of laughing and crying, and
think he was of unsound mind.
Cross-examined—He had an excellent character Irons
him to Fare's. He was often spoke to about his laughing
and crying, and said he could not help it. He and I quar-
relled, and he left afterwards. I left, and he returned and
remained four or five months. I came back again also.
He remained only a few days after my return. I did not
keep up my acquaintance with him. Mr. Minton gave
him warning.
Re-examined—He frequently made mistakes. Some-
times he brought beer instead of gin, and sometimes he
would take sixpence and give change for a shilling, and
when spoken to he would laugh and then burst out crying.
By the CovaT—l never observed if his mouth was drawn
on one side.

Mr. Thomas Fare—l did live in Wilderness-row ; the
prisoner was in my service for six months; he came from
Mr. Minton's. I considered him of sound mind. He was
subject to fits of laughter, which at times appeared uncon-
trollable. I have never seen him crying.
Newman Robinson—l am the landlord of the Hog in
the Pound. The prisoner was in my service. He left on
the Ist May. He left because he was always laughing,
and when I reprimanded him he kept laughing still. This
occurred frequently. Some of my customers were offended.
He came to me on the 24th January. He used to laugh
and act foolishly.
Cross-examined by Mr. F. Por,LocK--Ho was correct
in his conduct in all other respects. He kept no accounts,
but used to take money and put it into the till.
(While the witness was giving his evidence the prisoner
was crying.)
Inspector Tedman—l knew the prisoner when he was
barman at the Shepherd and Flock, in High. street,
Marylebone. It is opposite the police-office. I consider
the prisoner to be a person of unsound mind.
Cross-examined—During that time he was trustel to
draw the beer and take money. I never saw anything of
him except in the house.

Lord DENMAN—On what do you found your opinion ?
Witness--I have frequently gone in of a morning and
found him crying, and when I asked what was the matter,
he would say nothing now, it is all over; and when asked
if any one had ill-used him he would say, No. At an-
other time he was attempting to bottle stout with the
bottles wrong side. I asked him what he did it for? He
said it was a jolly good lark. I told Mr. Minton he- was
acting like an idiot, and about that time he sent him away.
He used to laugh and say it was enough to make anybody
laugh to see the old women drinking gin. He was some..
times very violent, and at others silent On one occasion
I had got Mr. Minton's children to see the Queen go to
the House of Lords, and he was angry I did not get hint
there. I said I did not know he wanted to see the Queen.
He said, Oh, yes I do, and I will see her some day or
other.

Susannah Phelps—l am the prisoner's sister. He lived
its the same house withi me in \Vest-square wisest this
circumstance occurred. There was constantly some-
thing strange and extriordinary in his conduct. He was
always firing pistols out of the window and in the yard.
He pointed pistols at me. Ido not know if they were
loaded. I never knew of any one being hurt by his firing
out of the window. He began about a day or two after
he bought them. He brought 5/. from his last place, his
quarter's salary. He had a suit of mourning from Mr.
Minton. He kept:company with no one except John Lin-
tin. No one ever came to see him, and he received no
letter. It was my opinion he was not right in his mind.
He once put a pistol to my head while I was in bed.
Cross-examined by the SOLICITOR-GENERAL—Fie had
bur one pair of pistols. He used to have books from the
library. He had the Black Pirate, Jack Shepherd, Oliver
Twist. Be generally staid at home. He very seldom
went out. He went out on the 10th of June at about ten
minutes past two. He said he was going to the shooting
gallery, and that he would bring some tea hoine from
Twining's, in the Strand. He was firing Abe day before.
He used to go to Linares, and-spend most of his evenings
with, him. Lintin never came to him. r never heard him
mention any young lady that he visited.
Be-examined—About three years ago he used to write
letters to little girls. •
By the Courr—He used to fire into the yard, not into
the street. He was subject to violent rages. He also
read the " Pilot." I never heard him talk about Young
England, or of any society he said he belonged to.
Emily Chittenden—l was living at the Hog in the
Pound whilst the prisoner was there; I was there three
months. His conduct was very strange at times. I con-
sider him in a sound state of mind, but very eccentric.
Mrs. Robinson once fell down stairs; she did not appear
hurt, only frightened. The prisoner laughed very mach
indeed. He would laugh when there was nothing to be
laughed at. I never saw him cry. I have received a
letter from him since he left. It is destroyed. It was
on the 13th of May, I think. It was addressed " A pub.
lic-hause the Hog in the Pound, Miss Cbittenden ; there
and then convey with speedility. Remember, my blade,
the postage is paid." This was on the outside of the

Christopher Day—l am assistant to a tailor. I was in
the Park in the evening the prisoner was charged with
shooting at the Queen. I saw the carriage, and was five
or six yards from it when it was fired at. I did not see
the first pistol fired. I saw the second fired. I was six
or seven bards from the prisoner. The pistol was levelled
right over the carriage. It was fired rather up Constitu-
tion Hill than across the road. He was about five yards,
behind the carriage.
Richard M'Donald—l am a corporal in the 906 Regi
ment, and was in the Park when the Queen was fired at.
I was coming down Constitution Hill. I heard a shot
fired. I looked at the garden wall of the Palace% A
mark was pointed out to me by a gentleman on horseback.
I do not think that the mark was made by a ball.
Cross-examined by the ATTORNEY- GENERAI—I saw
two marks, and they seemed to have been recently made.
Re-examined—They were two yards and a half or three
yards from each other.
By the Couar —The marks seemed newly done. They
might hate been done by a stick.
Dr. Hodgkin—l have been a physician 14 years, and
am a lecturer on morbid anatomy. I have written works
on pathological anatomy.
Mr. S. TA YLOR—Supposing a crime is committed with-
out a motive, and that the crime subjects the person com-
mitting it to loss of life, that he takes no precaution to
escape, but delivers himself up to justice, should you sup-
pose suet. a person sane or insane ? Witness—l should
say it was a strong case of suspicion.
Mr. 6. TAYLOR—If there had existed previous delu-
sions ? Witness—lt would strengthen my suspicion.
Mr S. TAYLOR—And if insanity was hereditary in the
family? Witness—lt would be a still stronger ground
for concluding the party to be insane. There have been
instances of persons becoming suddenly insane, whose con-
duct had only been eccentric. If all the circumstances
mentioned co-existed, I should conclude he was insane;
because such a form of insanity has been recognised.
Cm's-examined by Sir F. Pota.ocx.—lt has been called
by Le Marc Lesion de la volonte, or lesion of the will.
It means more than that a person has lost the control of
his conduct ; it means morbid propensity ; it is connected
with moral irregularities as the result of disease. In some
instances there are other symptoms in addition to moral
irregularities.
Sir F. POLLOCK— Have you ever met with a case of
insanity, of which the only symptom was moral irregula-
rity, unattended by physical disease? Witness—l do not
think I ever have.

Re-examined.—The lesion of tho will is a well-recog-
nized species of insanity. •
Lord DENst*N.—Do you think a medical man is more
competent to foirn an opinion on this subject than other
persons? Witness. —I do, en the authority of Reny,
Marc, and other writers.

Lord Datimarr—Do you mean to say that a medical man
has any peculiar gift enabling him to form an opinion as to
the moral responsibility of man ? Witness—Yes, on ac-
count of his superior opportunities and attention.

Lord DENMAN—But, supposing other persons to pay
the same attention ? Witness—They would be enabled to
judge.
Mr. Baron AIDERSON—Do you consider moral respon.
sibility a medical question ? Witness—Scarcely. It is
impossible to sny where soundness of mind ends and un-
soundness begins.
John Conolly, M. D.—l am physician to the Hanwell
Asylum. Eight hundred and fifty patients are under my
care. I have seen and conversed with the prisoner. In
my opinion he is not of sound mind.
Cross-examined by the ATTORNEY-GENERAL—I saw him

the day before yesterday for the first time, and I was in
Court yesterday. My interview with him lasted half an hour.
A person who is unsound need not in all cases be put under
restraint. Some insane persons may be put at large. I
consider there is danger in the unsoundness of the pri-
soner. Dr. Sharman, Mr. Clarke, and Mr. Manic, the
Solicitor of the Treasury, were present when I examined
him. He exhibited nothing like violence. He replied
willingly to my questions, but his answers were unsatis-
factory. He knew that be was to be tried. When I
asked him if ho was going to be tried, be at first said
What trial ?" And he said he knew he was to be tried

next day. When I asked him if he did not think it a
crime to shoot at the Queen? be said he might as well
shoot at her as anybody else. I did not take any notes.
I knew I was to be a witness at this trial if required.
When I asked him if he was attached to his relations, he
said he was. And when asked if he thought it would
vex them, he said he did not know. Ido not recollect
any other question at this moment. I had only notice the
evening before I saw him. I made no notes when I went
home of the questions and answers, only the general re-
sults. I did not ask him to do any sum iu arithmetic.
Re-examined—l examined his head.
By the COURT—The formation of the upper part of
the forehead is such as to indicate that the brain is im-
perfectly developed. It is frequently met with in insane
persons, and also in persons not insane.—(The witness
here read his notes, from which it appeared that he was
of opinion that the prisoner was incapable of reasoning._
had no knowledge of moral obligation, or any idea of future
•
responsibility.) I endeavoured to ascertain if he was acting
a part, and do not thinklae was.
Dr. Chowne, Lectwee on Medical Jurisprndenee in thp
^rnss hopital.--ln answer to the same question- n. the witness said that
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as had been put to;Dr.
a person he should consider of unsound mina. . -
species of insanity called lesion of the will. It is also
called moral insanity. There are frequently people who
complain that ;they feel impeded to commit suicide,
and yet exhibit no other symptom of mental ds.
case. He has frequently met with cases of this sort