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GROUP XLVII.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, April O.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat upon the Wool-
sack at Five u'el,ek.

ri'itANSPORTATION.

The Earl of ELIENBOROUGH wished to ask the
Noble Earl the Secretary of the Colonies whether the
Dew regulation on the subject of transportation would
apply to soldiers engaged in India and the colonies ?
Earl GREY was understood to reply in the negative,
and to intimate that soldiers in the colonies who were
convicted of criminal offences would be still sent to Van
Diemen's Land, under an Order in Council.

Lord BROUGHAM must protest against the new
doctrine, now for the first time promulgated, that it was
within the power of Government to alter the criminal
law of the land. The law of this country was that for
certain offences the judges were to have the option of
imprisoning or transporting offenders, and that
rule could not be departed from. If any doubt existed
upon the subject their Lordships had access to the
learned judges, and their Lordships could consult them
upon it. The judges had the power of imprisoning for
a term not exceeding two years, or transporting for a
period not exceeding fourteen years, and if the term
were exceeded a day the sentence became illegal, and
therefore to make any alteration in the practice with-
out a statutory law was decidedly unconstitutional.
But it might be said, that when the law said one thing
and the judges said the same thing, that still the Crown
said another. That transportation did not mean trans-
portation, was the doctrine here laid down. It was said
that transportation was to be suspended, but he would
say that transportation could not be suspended. He
would in the course of a few days present to the House
the report of a Committee, one of the most important
that had ever come under his observation during the
course of his Parliamentary experience—he meant the
Criminal Law Committee. They would there
see the opinion of four judges of England and
Scotland, who were unanimous in their opinions,
on the subject of transportation. They would also find
there the opinions of gaol governors, gaol chaplains, and
other functionaries, who were the mast competent from
their office, their experience, and general position, to be
enabled to judge of this important subject. It would be
his duty, after he had laid the documents before their
Lordships to bring the whole question before the House.
Earl GREY said the Noble and Learned Lord
(Brougham) had raised up a most formidable picture of
something that was done by her Majesty's Govern-
ment, and accused them of acting contrary to
their duty. Unfortunately, notwithstanding all that
alarm, it proceeded unfortunately entirely from the
imagination of the Noble and Learned Lord, without
any foundation whatever. They (her Majesty's Go-
vernment) protested against the motive imputed to
them, that the criminal law of the country could be
altered. He never made any such statement. What
he said was, that under the provisions of an
Act of Parliament, which said that her Majesty in
Council could appoint the fort of Hope in the Mauritius
for convict soldiers, that power had been exercised.
The Noble and amed Lord (Brougham) went
beyond the subject as connected with convict soldiers,
and gave his views—his very peculiar views—
of the question. He had told the House the
question had been investigated by a Commit-
tee, who had obtained a deal of very valuable
information, of which he (Lord Brougham) was in pos-
session, but of which the House knew nothing. The
Noble and Learned Lord (Brougham) had endea-
voured to provoke a discussion, not of transportation
particularly, but of transportation in general. He
could only account for the observations of the Noble
and Learned Lord by the fact, that the Noble and
Learned Lord was so extremely anxious to
hear his own voice, in season and out of season, whether

The Committee appointed to this group met to-day at
twelve o'clock. Mr. E. Yorke in the chair.
SCOTTISH SA ZIA:VATS :-LANARH AND
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Mr. Black, Provost of Edinburgh. was examined by
Mr. CALVERT—The opening of this branch would lower the
price of coals in that city. There was a considerable market
for coal for the printing-houses of Edinburgh. The popula-
tion was some 130,000, and for merely domestic uses the
demand for a cheaper and better coal would be considerable.
Mr. Maxton, mining engineer, was examined to prove the
same fact.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant Muernv—The Duke of
Buccleuch had very fine seams of coal at Dalkeith, which
he might bring into Edinburgh if the increased demand re-
quired it. There were many other places from which coal
could be supplied. He thought that the importation of
30,000 tons of Benhar coal would redace the price from 14s.
to perhaps lls. 6d.
Mr. John White spoke to certain borings on the farm of
Cult, near Benhar, which showed a three feet seam. He
had no doubt that the quantity of coal mentioned by Mr.
M4Creath and Mr. Williamson as existing in that loeality
was correct.
Mr. Ferguson, mining engineer, was called to show that
Glasgow would take a portion of the Benhar coal. Glasgow
used for all purposes above two millions of tons. and the
furnaces above one million. This railway would also open up
the ironstone in the district. .

Mr. Collister, C.E., had laid out the line, and spoke to the
general advantages of it. It was of easy formation. It would
better supply the country than any branch advocated by
other parties, and it was considered essential to the interests
of the district by those who were the most competent to
judge.
This closed the case for the promoters, and the Committee
adjourned till to morrow (this day) at eleven o'clock.

STANDING ORDERS COMMITTEE.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.—(YESTERDAY).
The Committee met this day at the usual hour, for the
dispatch of public business.
The following decisions were given during the course of the
day.
THE DERBY, STAFFORDSHIRE, AND WORCESTER-
SHIRE RAILWAY.
Allowed to proceed.
LEEDS WATER WORKS.
Allowed to proceed.

RAILWAY SHARE MARKETS.
LIVERPOOL, Arm. 20.
Brom( EXCIIANGE.—The sales are—Chester and Birken-
head, 45q—Ditto, New 201. Shares, % dis.—Eastern Coun-
ties, 19—Ditto, York Extension, 34 dis.—East Lancashire
(late Blackburn and Preston), % p.—Ditto, New, % p.—
Ditto, New (scrip), % p.—Great Northern, 1 ls. 3d. dis.—
London and North-Western, 17110—Ditto, New Quarters,
p.—Manchester and Leeds, Fifths, 434 p.—Ditto, 321.
Shares (late Extension), p. —Ditto, Fifths (West Riding
Union), 16s. 3d. p.—Midland, 116—Ditto, New, 2/. 6s. 3d.
p.—North British, New Quarters (scrip), % p.—North-
Western, 11% dis.—Presten and Wyre, 3434—Scottish Cen-
tral, 734 p.—Shrewsbury and Birmingham, 91. 12s. 3d.
Shares (B), 1 dis. ex int.—South-Eastern and Dover, 36%
—Ditto, New, No. 1, 114 p.
MANCHESTER, Aram 20.
STOCK EXCHANGE.—The sales are—Ambergate, Notting-
ham, Boston, and Eastern Junction, 3/4—Birmingham and
Oxford Junction, 814 c.—East Lancashire (late B. and P.),
New (scrip), 7-16 c.—East Lincolnshire, 2—Edinburgh and
Glasgow, 70%—Fleetwood, Preston, and West Riding Junc-
tion, % c.—Huddersfield and Manchester Railway and
Canal, 11,12—Ditto, Thirds, %—Leeds and Thirsk, 334—
Manchester and Leeds, 321. Shares (late Extension), 114—
Ditto, Fifths (late West Riding Union), % c.—Manchester
and Southampton, 19s. 3d. c. —North Staffordshire, 214 -
North-Western, 114— Oldham Alliance, 5-16—Preston and
Wyre, Halves (A), 33/4—Ditto, Sixths, s%—Shropshire
Union, I%—South-Eastern and Dover, No. 4, %.

LEEDS, Aran. 20. -
STOCK EXCHANGE. —The sales are—Ambergate, Notting-
ham, and Boston, 16s. 3d. dis.—East Lancashire, 10s. p.—
Ditto, New Scrip, 9s. 6d. p.—East and West Yorkshire, Bs.
6d. dis.—Great Northern, 13s. 6d. dis.—Huddersfield and
Manchester, n. p.—Leeds and Dewsbury, Ditto, Branches
Scrip (blue), 2 p.—Ditto, New Extensions 4 Scrip (pink), I
p.—Leeds and Thirsk, 3% n. dis.—Ditto, Preference, lbs.
p.—London and Brighton and South Coast, Fifteenths, 2s.
p.—,Balton and Driflield Junction, 2s. 6d. dia.—Manchester
and Leeds, 821. Shares (late Extensions), 28s. p.—Ditto,
West Ridin4 Union, 15s. n. p.—Manchester, Buxton. Mat-
lock, and Midland, Is. 6d. p.— Newcastle and Berwick, New,
p.—North British, Extension (scrip), 10s. p—North
Staffordshire, 214 p.—Northern Counties Union, 214 dis.—
North-Western, 345. dis.—Wharfdale Junction, 15s. dis.
HULL, APRIL 20.

Srocx Excimm E.—The sales are—London and Brighton,
Fifteenths, 1,4 p.—North British, Quarters, 68s.—Ditto, Ex-
tension (scrip), 10s. 3d. p.—Blackburn, Darwen, and Bolton,
21. 2s. dis.—Ditto (Clitheroe and N.W.),
11~ dis.—New-
castle and Berwick, New, 2% p.—North- Western, 14 dis.—
Shropshire Union, 325. dis.
SHEFFIELD, APRIL 20.

STOCK EXCHANGE.—The sales are—Manchester and Lin-
coln Union, 1% dis.—Manchester and Lincolnshire (Grimsby
and Sheffield), 20/. Shares, 445. dis.—West Riding Union,
% p.—South Yorkshire, Doncaster, and Goole, IA dis.
EDINBURGH, APRIL 19.

STOCK EXCHANOK.-The sales are-Aberdeen, 271.-Air-
drie and Bathgate, 3/. 183.-Arbroath and Forfar, 271. 15s.
-Ditto, Halves, 151.-Ayr and Galloway, 21. Is. 6d.--Cale-
donian, 251. IN.-Ditto, New, 21. 45.-Caledonian and
Dumbartonshire, 2'. 2s. 6d.-Clydesdale Junction, 391.-
Deeside, 31. 58.-Dunblane, Donne, and Callender, IL 95.-
Dundee and Arbroath, 421. 10s.-Ditto, New, No. 1, 301.
-Ditto. New, No. 2, 301.-Dundee and Perth, 381.-Ditto,
New, 19/. 7s. 6d.-Eastern Counties, 181. 55.-Ditto, Ex-
tension, 41.38.-East of Fife, 21. 165.-Edinburgh and Bath-
gate, 61. 17s. 6d.-Edinburgh and Glasgow, 711. 10s.-
Ditto, Halves, 191.-Ditto, Quarters, 17/. 158.-Edinburgh,
Leith, and Granton, 201. 2s. 6d.-Ditto, Preference, 20/. 10s.
-Edinburgh and Northern, 151. 10s.-Ditto, New, 3/.
14s. 6d.-Ditto, Newport, 71. 7s. 6d.-Ditto, ditto, New,
21. I Is.-Edinburgh and Perth, 21. 16s. 9d.-Glasgow
and Ayrshire, 601. 155.-Ditto, New Stock, 381.-Ditto,
Quarters, 15/. 153 -Ditto, Halves, BL-Glasgow, Dumfries,
and Carlisle, 5/. 7s. 6d.-Glasgow and Garnkirk, 391.-
Glasgow General Terminus, 121. 55.-Glasgow and
Greenock, 18L-Ditto, New, 91.-Ditto, Preference, 8/. ss.
-Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ardrossan, 5/. 188.-Great
North f Scotland, 21. 1 Is.-Newcastle and Berwick, 25/.
10s.-North British, 32L-Ditto, Halves, 151. 55.-Ditto,
Quarters, 3/. 10s.-New Quarters (scrip), IL 3s. 6d.-
Ditto, Fifths, 6L 155.-Ditto, Thirds, 31. ls.-Scottish Cen-
tral, 251.-Scottish Grand Junction, IL 3s. 6d.--Scottish
Midland, 20/. 55.-Stirling and Dunfermline, 3/. 188.-Stirl-
int; and Midland, 2/. 75.-Wibhaw and Coltness. 491. 10s.
-York and Newcastle, 321.-Ditto, New, 131. 10s.-Ditto,
Preference, 71. 105.-Direct Bombay and Madras, 31. 9d.
-East Indian, ss. 6d.-Great North of India, 2s. 6d.-
Great Southern of Madras, 25.-Madras, Nellore, and Arcot,
Is. 9d.

GLASGOW, APRIL 19.
STOCK EXCLIANGE.—The sales are—Aberdeen. 26%. —Cale-
donian and Dumbartonshire, 40s.—Dundee and .Northera
Junction, 41s. —East Indian, 3s.—East Lothian Central, 51..
--Edinburgh and Bathgate, 6/. 18s.—Edinburgh and Perth
(New Co.), 565. 6d.—Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ayr, 601.
—Ditto, 871.—Ditto, Halves, No. 2, 71.—Ditto, Quarters (5
per cent. guar.), 15%—Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle, 5%
—Glasgow and Garnkirk, 391.—Great Northern (Direct
Northern Reg.), 655. 6d.—Kilmarnock and Ayr Direct, 345.
6d.—Manchester and Southampton, 225. 6d.—North British,
Thirds, 625. 6d.—Ditto, Quarters. 70s.—Ditto, New Quarters
scrip), 24s.—Scottish Central, 25%—Stirling and Dunferm-
line, 77&—York and Newcastle, 341.—Ditto, Preference, 714

THE BRICKLAYERS AND IRISH LABOURERS' STRIKE.
—BIRMINGHAM, TIIESDAY.—The turn-out of bricklayers and
Irish labourers, which commenced on the London and North.,
Western and the Birmingham and Oxford Junction Railway
ahnedtetoy
taken
works last week, still to a considerable extent continues, but
serious
Messrs.
Bransonn d
G continuance.wy t h
erthe
onfrom appearances, the effect of this unadvised proceeding, so
far as the progress of the Works is concerned, promises to be
of short duration. The consequences to the men may be
on a large number of English labourers, and express their
determination not again to employ the Irish hod-men,"
contractors, rt,
who so indiscreetly made war against the use of the barrow.
The turn-outs look on sullenly, but every hour brings fresh
,arrivals of English labourers, in the shape of excavators and
,
navvies ;" bricklayers are also in abundance. The works
on the Trent Valley line of railway, and also those at Bit"
kenhead being in a comparatively forward state, men are
progressing hitherwards from those localities, and unless the
bricklayers now upon strike in Birmingham speedily return
to their employ, their places will be filled by workmen from
a distance. At present not the slightest breach of the peace
has taken place. All is quiet, but the heads of the police,
made acquainted with ever movement, are fully prepared to
act should any cause for their interference arise.
REMARKABLE OCCURRENCE.--A lady has lately
been staying at a house is the neighbourhood of 13uckfast-
lei$11, in this county, where the following unaccountable
noises were heard by different members of the family :—On
the 12th instant, at the " witching hour of night," two mem-
bers of the family were awoke by a noise resembling the
giving or cracking of new furniture (of which there was
none in the room.) They took no notice of this until they
were again alarmed by a similar occurrence ; this was re-
peated five or six times. One of the most surprising facts
was, that when their attention was most aroused they could
hear nothing but talking or loud reading in the distance.
There were two doors to the room, and on one of the ladies
attemting to open ne of them it was violentlulled out of
her hand and shut with great force. On the y p
rest of the
family being alarmed nothing more was beard but slamming
of doors. Search was made to clear the mystery, but in vain
Another curious fact.—An elderly member of the family the
same night and hour, In the preceding week, heard a noise
as of the footsteps of men walking up the back stairs (which
were next her bed-room), and a tramping over head. She
took no notice at the time, thinking it was the servants; but
on inquiring she found that no ones n the house had been
moving at that hour. Both these pts of the house have
been lately built.—Exeter Gazette.
NORTH NORTHUMBERLAND.
--We hear thatitisde-
finitively resolved upon that Sir George Grey, the Home
Secretary, and at present a Member for Devonport, will be
brought forward as a candidate for the representation of this
county at the approaching election. The inefficient manner
in which the district is at present represented will certainly
suigest to the constituency the necessity of a chang?, and,
with a view to this. no better selection we think could have
been made than that which we now announced. Sir (*age
Grey is outgo to; Esd Groyemikivick Advertign

he had anything worth saying, or whether it was not
worth the while of the House to listen to. When the
subject came regularly before the House he would be
prepared to maintain the course the Government proposed.
Lord BROUGHAM said that if he had the desire
which the Noble Earl had imputed to him of hearing his
own voice in that House, he laboured at least under this
difficulty, that he had to raise his voice in a place where
it was difficult for any Noble Lords to hear him, or to
hear himself. (A Noble Lord rose to order.) He was
perrectly aware that it was generally considered a breach
of the order of the House for any Noble Lords to speak
upon any question not before their Lordships ;Abut,
notwithstanding this order, many Noble Lords were in
the habit of speaking half-a-dozen times on subjects not
before the House. With respect to the charge made
against him by the Noble Earl of desiring to hear the
sound of his own voice, he would leave the subject with
the most utter and perfect complacency precisely as he
found it. He would, however, before he sat down pro-
test against the Government suspending the law of tran-
sportation without an Act of Parliament.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
MARINE MUTINY BILL.
This Bill was also read a third time and passed.
EXCHEQUER BILLS BILL.

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This Bill was also, ou the motion of Earl Grey, read
a third time and passed.
Lord BROUGHAM moved for certain returns con-
nected with commitments and convictions for forgeries
during the last twenty years, and also the number of
those who were sentences to transportation for the same
period.—Agreed to.
VAGRANTS.

Lord HATHERTON presented a petition from the
guardians of the Bainbridge Union, in Staffordshire,
complaining of the increase of vagrants. The Noble
Lord said these people had found out that they might
persist in an idle life, by proceeding round from union
to union, lodging hare one night and there another. He
proposed as a remedy that no one should get a night's
lodging but on condition of giving a day's work in re-
turn. It was found that nine out of ten of these vagrants
were Irish labourers.

The NOBLE LORD had presented a similar petition
from Walisall.

Earl FITZHARDINGE presented one petition
against the Poor Removal Act, arid several petitions
against the Government Scheme of Eduvation.
GOVERNMENT PLAN OF EDUCATION.

The Marquis of LANSDO‘VNE presented a petition
from a congregation of Protestant Dissenters in Bristol,
in favour of the Government scheme of education; also
petitions from Glamorgan, Liverpool, Honley, in the
county of Surrey, and numerous other places, to the
same effect.
LANDLORD AND TENANT, IRELAND.

In answer to a question put by the Marquis of Lon-
derry, the Marquis of WESTMEATII consented to
postpone the motion of which he had given notice fur
to-morrow, until Friday next.
WASTE LANDS (IRELAND) BILL.
The Marquis of wEsTmEATH moved the second
reading of this Bill. He did not conceive that any ob-
jection could be taken against this Bill. He had framed
the provisions of the measure upon the fairest and
,trictest principles, and the operation of the
law would be to prevent a considerable amount
of the delay and expense attendant upon obtaining an
injunction from the Irish Court of Chancery. A meet-
ing was held in Dublin a short time since, to con-
sider the state of Ireland, and to provide such reme-
dies as the nature of the case might require,
and resolutions were passed to the effect that the present
laws relating to "waste" in Ireland were highly in-
jurious, and should be modified. Many years since he
had stated to Sir J. Lynch the circumstances of a very
grievous case, and that Learned Gentleman told him
that under such circumstances the Court of Chancery
ought to be compelled to part with some portion of its
jurisdiction. In the year 1833,11 r. Lindsay was examined
before the House, and gave evidence as to the injurious
effects that the conacre system had, and then there were
no less than six Acts of Parliament passed in the Irish
Parliament against that mode of rating land. By the
17th of Geo. 11., cap. 10, it was expressly provided that
no person whatever should burn the surface of the soil,
under a penalty of forty shillings. Subsequent Acts
wore also passed upon this subject, all of which imposed
penalties upon the persons who broke the provisions of
the Act with respect to conacre and the burning of the
surface of the soil. He could not believe that any
opposition would be offered to this measure, and he left
the case entirely to the integrity of their Lordships, and
their sense of justice. He would beg, therefore, to
move the second reading of the Bill.
The LORD•CIiANCELLOR said he had looked
over the Bill of the Noble Lord, and he found by 'one of
its provisions that the Act was not to extend to England
and Scotland.
The Marquis of WESTMEATH made some ex-
planation, which was inaudible in the gallery. If the
Noble Marquis could suggest any mode by which the
object could be obtained without doing injustice, he
should have no objection to passing it.
Lord BEAUMONT thought the object, rather than
the phraseology, of the Bill ought to be taken into cou-
sideration. Within the last few days he had learned
more of the relations subsisting betweenhis landlordsreading and
could have supplied to
all the speeches he had heard,
him. If the Crown could not manage its estates in Ire-
land in the manner recommended by some Noble Lords,
they could expect individual
ho* was it possible tiii"J
of Bailyshanuon was
landlords to do so ? The la:*°"3"
ntil
lately, was occu-
part of the Crown property, and.
Ll•owever, being un-
pied by tenants at will. The Crown,
rileceed against
able to collect the rents, determined to
the tenants under the law of ejectment. Fifty'
three of these tenants consented to gis:'
uP
possession, but they were subsequently
to resume their former occupancies. Now it was clear
from this that many of their tenants acknowledged the
right of the Crown, but although many of tnem were
able to pay, the Crown could never succeed in collecting
the rent. Eventually, however, the Crown resisted the
law to eject their tenants, and through the medium of the
police and the army, the Crown succeeded in serving
eight of its tenants with the usual process. Those
eight neglected to put in appearances, and in the progress
of time attachments were issued against the eight. The
sheriff, however, although aided by the military was
afraid to execute it, and the Crown then commenced pro-
ceedings against the poor sheriff. In the end, eight of
the tenants were arrested, but still four of them suc-
ceeded in retaining possession. The Crown, therefore,
next had recourse to the services of a middle-
man, and here again with only the same
result ; for the middle-man, whose name was
Knox, a most courageous man in attempting to
de his duty, nearly escaped with his life, while a mat
who was a witness to the assault was barbarously
murdered. And yet, after all these proceedings, the
tenants were still hi possession, subdividing the land as
they thought proper without paying a farthing of rent.
Now, if the Crown could not succeed in such a case as
this, how was the ordinary landlord to do so? Let him
theta hear no more of complaints against the landlords
of Ireland. If they were deprived in this-way of ahetr
rights in spite of' all law and jiistiee, how was it p issible
that the ordinary landlord could do his duty.—(clear,
hear.) Goverment ought in this state of things to

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reduce the population to the wants of the land, and for amending several Acts for the appointment of Eccle-
provide for the surplus, either by some scheme of enii- I siastieal Cetriraissionere for England.
gration, or by procuring them employment in manufec- ! Leave was given to bring in the Bill.
tures. He could not vote for the Bill of his Noble i Sir Ii INGLIS said that he was quite surprised that
Friend, but he thought the Government ought to intro- the Noble Lord eliould move for leave simply to bring in
duce a measure on this fiubjcer. the Bill vviteout inekine some statement to the House. lie
Lord CAMPBELL thought, if the Noble Lord per_ was anxious to know when that statement would be made?
sisted in his Bill, it would only aggravate the evils He did not intend to make any opposition to the mea-
under which Ireland was at present labouring. He sure, but he hoped that an early opportunity would be
hoped therefore he would withdraw it. given to his Noble Friend to make some statement to
The Marquis of WESTMEATH disputed the right the House and the country as to the nature of the Bill.
of any Noble Lord to know the state of Ireland better He begged that his Noble Friend would state to the
than he did.--(Laughter.) He therefore declined to House at what period he intended to make the state'
withdraw his Bill. ment.
Lord CAMPBELL said that the Noble Marquis was Lord JOHN RUSSELL. (who was very indistinctly
entirely mistaken with respect to the law of England heard) said. that with reference to the measure alluded
and Scotland in this measure. He denied that there jto by his Right Hon. Friend lie should make a statement
was any law similar to that now proposed between land- at the time of the second reading of the Bill. With regard
lord and tenant in either of the two countries. There to the more general statement to which his Bight lion.
was no such power existing, and the Bill which the Friend referred, it was not his intention to make it until
Noble Marquis now proposed was neither warratated by the rep its of the new Commissioners appointed uPun
precedent, existing usage, or the necessities of the ease. ! the subject should have been laid upon the tables of both
The great evil under which Ireland laboured was the Houses of Parliament. That would occur about the
sub-division of the land, and this would not be dealt period of the record reading, and lie should take that
with by the proposed measure. He gave the Noble ! opportunity of lasting the views and intentions of the
Marquis credit for the best intentions, but he did not Government upon the subject.
think the Bill would have the effect of remedying in REGISTRATION OF MEDICAL PRACTI-
any respect the evils of Ireland. TIONERS.
Lord MONTEAGLE said that the difficulties which Mr. WAKLEY hoped that the House would consent
induced the Noble Marquis to bring forward this Bill to his having have to brine in a Bill in order to effect
had been so ably stated that he did not feel it necessary the registratien of medical erectitioners, legally quail"
to make any further remarks on the subject. He thought
i
! find, and amend the laws regulating the practise of me-
unless the principles of the Bill were adopted all their
dicine. He could nut then enter into any detailed
efforts for the improvement of the relation of landlord
and tenant would be quite ineff-otive. They had heard statement on the subject, but he should take an oppor-
tuiiity of doing so en a future occasion.
the denunciation of the landlords when they resorted to Sir G. GREY, said he would offer no opposition to the
ejectments, but the only mode by which they could
course the lion. Gentleman intended to ad
avert these ejectments was by passing such a Bill as the op t ,
m but from
communications which he had received from embers of
present. He trusted their Lordships, on the withdrawal different branches of the profession, he apprehended that
of the present Bill, would bear in mind the difficulties the lion. Gentleman would find a good deal of opposition
stated, and adopt measures for the purpose of doing to his Bill, and a good deal of discussion upon it when it
away with the evils under which Ireland laboured. He should be brought under the notice of the House in a
hoped his Noble Friend would not press his Bill to a more detailed manner.
division, but that the Government would take the sub-bIr.WAKLEY said that he was quite aware that there
ject into their consideration.
would be a good deal of opposition to be met with, but
The Marquis of WESTMEA.TH then withdrew the
having such a good example before him of the way in
Bill, and animadverted in the strongest terms on the which opposition might he got rid of, he trusted that he
speech of the Lord Chaecellor, who sought to chi- should find means to divert a good dt al of it.
cane away the honest efforts of an Irish Member of
Leave was then given to bring in the Bill.
Parliament to improve the unleippy condition of the
RECLAMATION OF WASTE LANDS.
landlords of Ireland. Lord Almighty help us, continued Mr. LABOUCHERE said, that he was unwilling to
the Noble Marquis ; it is a poor thing that no exertion move, according to notice given, for leave to bring in a
can be made to protect the coedition of the Irish land- Bill for the reclamation of waste lands, without making
lords, without subjecting us to ridicule.—(Laughter.) some statement in explanation of the nature of the Bill
The Bill was then by leave withdrawn.
and of the views and intentions of her Majesty's
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and
the House adjourned. Government, which, under the present circumsiances,
would interfere with the progress of the discussion of the
measure which had been under consideration in the
House last night. He should, therefere, pestpone the
bringing in of the Bill until that day week.
CAPTAIN WYN NE.
On the motion of Mr. C. 0. O'BRIEN, the follow-
ing returns were ordered -.—Copies of the several re-
solutions of the Liscannor Relief Committee, of the
county of Clare, forwarded to Captain Wynne, inspect-
ing officer, or to Samuel Gamble, Esq., district engi-
neer, during the months of October, November, and Dee
cember, 1846, and January, 1847, and of the several letters
addressed by the chairman or secretary of the said com-
mittee to the said Captain Wynne, and Samuel Gamble,
Esq., respectively, and of their replies respectively to the
said resolutions or letters. Also of copies of the revised and
supplementary list of labourers recommended by the said
committee, or employed en the several works within the
said district, as furnished by the said committee to Captsul
Wynne, distinguishing the labourers put on from each Usti
at the instance of the said committee, as also those put on
by the said Captain Wynne or Samuel Gamble, Esq ,
dependent of such recommendation; and likes; ise to Luny:
for copies of all charges preferred by the said cominit7
against Patrick icFMahon, steward, and -- Warreel
overseer, in the said district, and of the report made
thereon by the officers of the board, and the decision o
the board in consequence of such report ; and stating
whether the said Patrick M'Mahon and
or either of them, are now in the employment
OfA
i so,
board, and if so, in what district and capacity.
for a copy of the document referred to in Capt. Wrinee
special report of the investigation held at Liscannors
the 17th day of December, 1846, and included in .17:,
return to the order of this House of the 11th of February
last. etearrieb%

HOUSE OF COMMONS. April 20.

The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
AMBERG ATE, NOTTINGHAM, AND BOSTON

RAILWAY.

Sir JAMES DUKE moved the second reading of the
Ambergate. Nottingham, and Boston, and Eastern
Junction Railway (alteration of hue and branches to
Nottingham) Bill.
Lord lIOTLIANI stated that he was happy to say that
he was relieved by that assurance of all parties from
opposing the second reading of the Bill.
The Bill was then read a second time and ordered to
be committed.

COUNTY COURTS.
Mr. BOUVERIE obtained leave to bring in *Bill
amend the Acts for the erection of County Courts.
GREENWICH HOSPITAL.
On the motion of Captain PECHELL, the follovrill
return was ordered :—Return of the several sums !(31,
freight money received by the treasurer of Greanyne,
Hospital since the 29th day of November, 1837. with
private
vadtaete accounto sue h; psdasyonehnot s;) awned
of
the whethershi ship no
r public
vessel Of
ed, and of the captain or
F HE THETIS.
Captain PEs;IIELL postponeTd his motion for the
which
hr
teliToemHtmEreaanssduAirritegxwtAhaesGesimnv,oe
production of the bill of the Admiralty respecting the
salvage of the Thetis till that day week.
ENGLISH POOR-LAW.
Sir GEORGE GREY gave notice that, on Thursday
the 29th, he would introduce a Bill for an alteration of
the mode of administering the relief of the pour in Bug"
land and Wales.
GOVERNMENT PLAN OF EDUCATION.
Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition to which he wished to
call the attention of the Noble Lord at the head of the Go'
vernment ; it was sign* d by 500 of the delegates who had
recently met t o ,ppose the Government plan of education; •
Alderman Kershaw in the chair. It prayed that uo
grant of public money might be made to carry out the
order in Council, and called on the House to take
measures to have the Minutes revoked. Ile had also *
petition against the education grant from the city of -
Durham, signed by from 17,000 to 18.000 inhabitants.
He also presented one to the same effect mom Sheffield, •
with 17.500 signatures.
Lord H. VANE presented a petition from Stockton-
upon-Tees to the seine effect.
ADJOURNED DEBATE.
On the motion for the House resolving itself into *
Committee of Supply,
Mr. E WART rose, and in moving that in any ore •
for eneral education, it is expedient that schoolmaster:
ands nspectors be not made the instruments of religioud
instruction, but that such religious instruction be suPPlie.,,
by the clergy of the different denominations, to wilt;
every facility for imparting it should be given t,":
several schools; also, that it is extremely ee_
sirable in any general education scheme,. that
local representative system, by means of district bud'.
s
and through the instrumentality of an education rate,t brs
e
adopted : that it is not desirable that schwimasteui..
should receive retiring pensions (or occasional gra
nder
ties) from the Government : that appointment* u
Government be not reserved (as proposed
nutes) for unsuccessful candidates for exhibitions 1_
the Normal Schools alone ; but be thro*,
open to general free competition, on the principle
of impartial examination—said that he was desiroes
prepro-
of approaching this subject with a calmness
tionate to its importance, and to the degree of excite-
in the m.iu
excite-
ment which it had created throughout the country.
There was, in his opinion, no question which required a
l
degree of deliberation equal to that which should be.de. •
voted to the subject of education, and he trusted wae
whatever might be the sentiment on this most vital
question, those who were the sincere friends of educa-
tion would calmly and; dispassionately consider
that which was the best for the common good'
He was himself one of those who bad always been the
firm and ardent supporter of a system of National Edo-
cation. The plan evidently affected the system of paro-
chial rating, and if it were to be carried out, that woe,"
certainly be by far the better mode to adopt. The
same system existed in France, and was to •
certain extent used in the direction of the grammar
schools in this country. But be it good, or
be it bad, M. Guizot bad adopted it--(Hear')
in the Government schemes of the country which be had
directed, and the whole of the system for educatibn them
was more or less founded on the representative sYelefli'
The same principle prevailed more or less in Holland,
Germany, and America, and he trusted that it would
ultimately be used in this country. He had not, without
much deliberation and hesitation, come to this opinion, but
he believed that the Government ought to have embodied a
more general principle in the plan which they had
adopted, than any which had been propounded in the
present debate. He had always felt that it was the duty
of Government to assist, but not to interfere—to inter-
pose, if he might use so refined a distinction, but not to
interfere. In this point, therefore, the Government pro'
ject was defective. It did too much or too little,
and either way it fell short of its object.—(Hear.)
Is
hn tuhe l d
hnext
purely place E
uheg litshho
and
dh t
national any
tosf
cehdaurcaacttio srt!
They could not impart exotic.olystems like that adopted
by the Prussian Government. Let timn recollect
fttlimat legislatingeetuhteinyeutna•lereeuuutries.He
for England, u°6
Government, as it were, form the nucleus would
have
of as;setemtboef
national education, and would leave the agencies of the
people free and uncontrolled. He would call out their
energies as much as possible, and leave them entirely
free ;
and, lastly, that the Government should 111
interfere in matters of opinion ; and, heist
education it should rather give the people the all, should it interfere in matters of
opinions. He thought that in encouraging a bYstem tjf
__
means of
to • with
ruling opinions than endeavour to sur whatever.
utd
religious or educational opinions of any,
He should, therefore, proceed to deal wth the Govern-
He
plan, and to consider how far it acco!cl d
• nts ot th.
with these principles. The essential ingreche _
measure were the introduction of pupil-teachers, slirrus.
religious
diary monitors, and provision for aged sollo°lfuss the
This was the leading element or skeleton of he
measure. It was said that this woukl endow
tee
Government and the Church with * •-es'•
of control over the education of the Pe,lees ,
2 Now, he had maturely considered the sal
sin
and he did not think that the objections made ag 1e
this portion of the plan were justified by the facts Le
case; because
could undulyteachers,
tertL
pendiary monitors, or normal selluultn 600,
elected from the pupil-teachers who became them
d,
control
entrodlid
the no t
pupil see how the Stuf
gers of the schools, who would be intrusted with th 01%
tribution of the grants, and not the State would ham the
appointment of them. Then again, be did ncl_
how the Church could interfere with the
of the
because the instruction and support that
same schc,ols would be in the hands of o her persons
h, of
ethduet
those connected with the Established Chum
the Church could not interfere with the system
cation pursued in dissenting schools.
- Ther-Ctu:;;;
it was true, might come in fore`
share of • the sum voted, but
be an incidental circumstance if it mourns,. could
confessed he wished that the distribtakl vrio
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