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London, England, 1847-02-08 00:00:00

IRISH ESTATES.

The Earl of 3101INTCASIIEL moved for the pro•
duction of a return of the total amount of the sums
appearing to be due fur debt, damages, and costs upon
all decrees, orders, and judgments in Ireland, re-
docketed pursuant to the Act of 9 Geo. IV.,
c. 35, or registered pursuant to the 7th and Bth Viet.,
c. 90, and now appearing to be re-docketed or regis-
tered in the office for registering judgments in Ireland,
distinguishing those which are in debt from those which
are in case. Ho said the object of the return was to
ascertain the amount to which the land in Ireland was

liable, and which it was not too deeply involved to offer
sufficient security for the repayment of the loans to be
made by the Government. He wanted not lo pry
any individuals affairs ; all he desired was to
know what amount of , charges was upon the
land. He had himself made a calculation
himself, and he found that the total rental of Ireland was

13,000,000/., the charges upon that rental amounted to
10,450,0001. ; and the landlords had therefore only
some 3,000,0001. to spend. If GovernmeNt, therefore,
imposed some ten or eleven millions upon the land-
lords they would only crush them, and, in so doing,
crush the country. He made these remarks in order to
prove that the landlords of Ireland were a much
maligned people, and that no one considered the inter-
ests of the people of Ireland more than they did.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that the Noble Lord
was undoubtedly anxious to obtain information
as to the amount of encumbrances ou the estates
of Ireland. That was a desirable object no
doubt; but like many other desirable objects,
it laboured under this disadvantages that it was
unattainable.—(Laughter.) The fact was that the office
in Dublin, where a register was kept of the judgments,
had no means of ascertaining whether any or all the
amount of a mortgage were paid off.
The motion was withdrawn.

After the transaction of some further business, their
Lordships adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
SECOND READINGS.

The following Bills were read a second time, and
ordered to be committed:—

Aberdeen Railway (Brechin Branch Deviation).
Aberdeen and Great North of Scotland Railways (Amal-
gamation or Leasir,g).
Arbroath and Forfar and Scottish Midland Junction

Railways Connecting Railway.
Buckingham and Brackley Junction Railway, and Ox-
ford and Bletchley Junction Railway Companies
Amalgamation and Extension of Lines.
Caledonian and Glasgow, Paisley, and Greenock Rail-
ways Amalgamation.
Caledonian Railway (Lease or Purchase of the Glasgow,
Barrhead, and Neilston Direct, and the Glasgow
Southern Terminal Railways).
Clarence Railway and Leeds and Thirsk Railway Amal-
gamation.
Eastern Union Railway (Branch from Manningtreo to
Harwich).
Exeter, Yeovil, and Dorchester Railway and Branches.
Fleetwood, Preston, and West Riding Junction Railway
(Burnley and Colliery Branches).
Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle Railway, and Glasgow,
Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (No. 1).
Glasgow, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway (No. 5).
Glasgow, Paisley, and Greenock Rail Nay (Amendment
and. Branches to the Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock,
and Ayr, the Glasgow, Barrhead and Neilston, and
Glasgow, Strathaven, and Lesmahagow Railways, and
to Haugh Pits).
Gloucester and Dean Forest Railway (Construction of
Docks).
Huddersfield and Manchester Railway (Deviation and
Alterations in Oldham Branch, &c.)
Huddersfield and Manchester Railway and Canal
(Branch from Oldham to Aston and Guide Bridge).
Ipswich and Bury St. Edmund's Railway (No. 2) (Ex-
tension from Bury St. Edmund's to Newmarket and

Ely).
Leeds, Dewsbury, and Manchester Railway (Extension
to Wakefield, and Junction at Methley with the Wake-
field, Pontefract, and Goole, and the York and North
Midland Railway).
Liverpool, Crosby, and Southport Railway and Branch.
Londoa and North-Western Railway (Lease and Pur-
chase of the Huddersfield and Manchester Railway
and Canal, and the Leeds, Dewsbury, and Manches-
ter Railway).
Manchester and Leeds Railway (Alteration of Levels of
Brighouse Branch of the West Riding Union Rail-
way and New Line into Leeds).
Manchester and Leeds Railway (Branches, Extensions,
Deviations, Alterations of Levels, and other Works).
Nlanchester and Leeds Railway (Branch from the Hud-
dersfield and Sheffield Junction Railway to Barnsley,
Midland t
na
ilwaanyd (Syn anYpsrt o° tod
and Extension of Holmfirth Branch).
Mantoneter bosrotaucgiohn)RD.ailway,
Midland Railway (Extension fr
Bedford, to and to ona near Leicester, via
Northampton and Hunt-
ingdon, and Eulargement of the Leicester Station).

! Midland Railway (Leicester and Swannington Railway,
) Widening, Deviations, and Branches, Enlargement of
Leicester Station, and extending powers as to Ibstock
Branch).
South-Eastern Railway (Widening of the Greenwich
Railway, and Arrangement and Enlargement of the
London-bridge Station).
South-Eastern Rail way (London- bridge Station Arrange-
ment and Enlargement).
Southampton and Dorchester Railway (New Forest De-
viation and Branches).
West Cornwall Railway (Branches to St. Ives and Nor-
wayman's Wharf, and Construction and Enlargement
of Quays at Hayle).
Wilts, Somerset, and Weymouth Railway (No. 2).
PETITIONS.

Mr. BODKIN presented a petition from the Corpora•
Lion of Rochester against one of the South-Eastern Rail-
way Company's projects.
Sir R. H. INGLIS presented several petitions in fa-
vour of a Ten Hours' Bill.

Colonel WOOD and Sir J. TROLLOPS presented se-
veral petitions against the Poor Removal Bill.
Mr. POWER presented several petitions against the
importation of spirits into Ireland free of duty.
The Marquis of DOURO presented a petition from
Norwich, praying the House to establish a national fund
for the support of the poor.
Mr. TIIORNELY presented a petition from Wolver-
hampton praying for the abolition of the import duty on
copper ore.
Mr. FERRAND presented several petitions in favour
of a ten hours' Bill.

Mr. EDWARD BULLER presented a petition agains
the Poor Removal Bill.

Lord SANDON presented petitions from Liverpool,
praying fur the abolition of the duty on tea and the im-
port duty on copper ore.
Lord BROOKE presented a petition in favour of a
ten hours' Bill.

Mr. BANKED and Mr. 0. STANLEY presented several
petitions bgainst the Poor Removal Bill.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD presented a petition from
Bolton in favour of a ten hours' Bill.

Lord HOTHAM presented a petition from the East
Riding of Yorkshire, complaining of the operation of
this Act, which_was passed last session.

NEW ZEALAND COMPANY.

Mr. HAWES presented a petition from settlers in
Nelson, New South Wales, complaining that the New
Zealand Company bad not fulfilled the representations
which they made on their emigrating ; that they had
not expended the money which they had engaged to do,
and praying the House to endow them with legislative
power in order that they might be enabled to sue the
agent of the company.
IRISH POOR-RATES.

Mr. S. CRAWFORD gave notice that, on Thursday
next, he should move for leave to introduce a Bill for
the purpose of facilitating the payment of the poor-rates
in Ireland.

EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC MONEY WITHOUT

PASSING THROUGH THE EXCHEQUER.
Dr. BOWRING gave notice that to-morrow he
should propose a series of resolutions for the adoption
of the House, to prevent tho expenditure of any of the
public money without its passing through the Exchequer.
It appeared by the statements which he read, that
7,000,0001. sterling were annually expended by different
departments of the Government, without passing through
the Exchequer, and without Parliamentary control.
TREATY OF VIENNA.

Mr. M. AIILNES gave notice that he should move
an humble address to her Majesty, praying that she
would order to be laid on the table of the House copies
of the correspondence which passed between the late
Marquis of Londonderry and the late Emperor of
Russia, and other papers and correspondence referring
to the treaty of Vienna, and the provisions which se-
cured the independence of Cracow.
OUT DOOR RELIEF TO PAUPERS.
An HON. MEMBER, whose name we were unable to
ascertain, presented a petition from the poor-law
guardians of Calder (as we understood), against the
sanctioning out-door relief to paupers.
EMIGRATION.
_ _ _

Lord CLEMENTS presented a petition from the
county of Leitrim, signed by 517 persons, farmers, and
persons belonging to the labouring classes, praying to
be assisted in some scheme of emigration.
THE NAVAL SERVICE.—POST-CAPTAINS.

Sir C. NAPIER said that, see;ni the Secretary for
the Admiralty in his place, he begged leave to put the
question of which he had given notice on Friday
last. It would be remembered that during the
last session the House had granted 30,0001. for the re-
tirements from the naval service. It had been agreed,
at the same time, that the list of admirals should never
exceed 150, or the captains' list 500. He wished to
know from the Hon. Member what steps had been
taken to carry this resolution into effect?
Mr. WARD said, that, the list had been reduced in
the proportion of one captain for every three decks.
He could assure his Hon. and Gallant Friend that since
the general brevet only one post-captain had been made
—that was Captain Denham, who had been promoted for
distinguished services, and also in order to fulfil a pro-
mise made by the late Government. One hundred and
eighty captains had retired within the last three years,
and the list now stood at 569, instead of 730, as before
the reduction.

Sir CHARLES NAPIER said it appeared that! they
bad begun their reforms by the reduction of one captain
for every three decks.
AGRICULTURAL SCHOOLS.
Mr. WILLIAMS presented a petition in favour of
agricultural schools.