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ORN'ING, MARCH 1

number of persons who left this country it would be very report of the Hon. Member for i rties3 had bean
n-
little short of that number. According to the returns, ! presented to the House as the report at the Committee.
therefore, there needed not to be any great anticipation i As farts he could learn, the Committee could have been
of a superabundance of population. •no py to the report. Beyond this he could give no
Earl FETZWILLIAM said there were one or two ques- , explanation.
tions which he was desirous of asking the Noble Earl. He ! Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET bad seen the
understood that the petition emanated from 1,500 persons. ! document quoted as the report of the Committee, and as
Were all of these heads of families? What proportion did the
entitled to authority ; hence he had been induct d to
,'
th ! Committee.
Lord ASHBURTON
number of petitioners bear to the total population of the dis-
' ask the quest on. It was his decided opinion that the
document ought not to have gone forth as the report of
trict in which they lived? And what were the average hold-
ings of each ?
believed that threle,snooum. beHreoefofualmdilnioets ;
was 390, and that the Mr. HUME said, that although he had attended almost
individuals
answer the Noble Earl's last queston. every meeting of the Committee, he had not been present
Lord BROUGHAM (looking over the petition)—Why the lon the last day, but seeing his name down as one of the
signatures are all in the same handwriting.—( Laughter. ) I Members who had attended, he felt it his duty to inquire
Lord NIONTEAGLE trusted that the Government would by what authority the clerk had done so. The clerk
take measu es to insure a complete system of registration.
peded b was prepared to say that neither he nor his Hon. Friend
Y beside him (Mr. Gibson) were present, and he had only
tLocal e
faenAl i generalve
system
registration, at pr esaenndt mnoatehonilray was the i reported them as so by desire a the Chairman, and
mere numerical department wrong, but for matters of nom- therefore the report stood in the records of that House
parison—as regarded the census of one year compared with
another—it was altogether worthless. The census had been as their report. He believed diet the irregularity art e
, • ,
taken three or four times lreland,
in but as it had been taken altogether from the lion. Member for Inverness being
each time by different parties, the results were found to be •nted eri*h , • -, ~ •• •Q
unacquai s C• nunittLt i usines..
irreconcilable and utterly useless as data. He hoped, how. Lord G. SOMERSET suggest, d that the irr:gularity
ever, now religious animosities had materially subsided, that should be rectified as soon as possible.
the Government would carry out this recommendation. Mr. M. GII3SON thought that they could not arrive
A erea.er number of persons would emigrate this year than at the circumstances of this case in the absence of the
during many past years, but this would not act as a remedy Hon. Member for Inverness.
for the existing distress, as those who would emigrate would The SPEAKER said the proceeding; were irregular,
do so voluntarily ; and as they were persons of small capital, inasmuch as the draft report was laid by the Chairman
they would deprive, by their removal, the home market of the before a Committee, the members of which did nut
advantage of their capital; therefore, the result could not fail
attend. q
injurious. But there were particular localities in Ire- . ---e
to be saughter.) He should suggest
that the Corn-
ttee be re-ae tinted.
land in which the excess of population and distress was so great m 1 - , p
that no steps they could take for the improvement of the land, Mr. GIBSON moved the re appointment of the Com-
er for the promotion of peace, would afford anything like adee mittee.—Agreed to.
quate relief, unless the Government gave meny of them means POOR LAW IN IRELAND.
of emigrating. The promoters of the Irish poor-law were of Mr. P. SCROPE presented petitions from Ballyallen,
this opinion, as the Government of Lord Melbourne stated, in Castledown, Ruche, and other places, in favour of a
support of it, that that they looked to emigration as a coils.- poor-law that would give a greater measure of oat-door
teral evil. They must not, however, measure the good which relief to the destitute poor of Ireland.
would accrue to a district, by the number of persons who left
it, for the purpose of emigrating, as this was a fallacious test.
GREAT NORTH OF INDIA RAILWAY.
—(Hear, hear.) As, however, the subject was too impor- Mr. MACKINNON wished to know from the Right
tent to be dealt with in a mere conversation, be trusted, Hon. the President of the Boardof Trade whythe
taut
in the course of the present year, to have an opportunity of terms offered to two of the railway companies in the
discussing it in connexion with the measures which the two presidencies of Bengal were not also offered to the
Government intended to introduce with respect to it. Great North of India Railway.
Lord STANLEY hoped he would not be understood as de- Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE said that the reason was, that
precating emigration. He did not fear that any mischievous the terms offered had merely reference to an experis
result would take place from local efforts and local boards. On mental line, and as these railways supplied the upper
the contrary, he hoped that a clause would be inserted in the and lower presidencies, which the Great North of Ind'',
Poor-law at present under the consideration of Parliament to did not, it was deemed advisable not to extend the terms
promote emigration by local means. What he deprecated was, to the latter railway.
that Government should interfere and hold out assistance on a
PRIZE MONEY—GHUZNEE AND KEIELAT.
large scale.
After a few words in explanation from Lord ASHBURTON, Caain LAYARD wished to ask the Right Hon.
The Earl of DEVON presented a petition, signed by I,2ooBaronet the President of the Board of Control when it
Farney, on the property was likely the prize money to which those who were at
or 1,400 cottiers from the barony of -
of Mr. Shirley, praying that some measure be made to enable the capture of Khelat and Ghuznee were entitled would
them to emigrate. With respect to the statement made a few be distributed?
evenings ago, by a Noble and Learned Lord (Brougham) with Sir J. C. 110BHOUSE said the Khelat prize money
respect to emigrants receiving 2s. 6d. a head to come over to ~,,,, in course of distribution. Some difficulty had arisen
this country, he had two letters in his hand from emigration with respect to the Ghuznee prize money ; but there was
agents which showed that the money was only part of a large reason to believe that it was now either in the course of
sum which the emigrants were entitled to receive, and which
distribution, or about to be distributed, in accordance
was a remittance from their friends in America.
Lord BROUGHAM said that on the present question he with certain orders issued by the Governor-General of
India
about
December last.
had received a letter from a correspondent from Liverpool, in
relation to the emigration of Irish poor into that town. The
SINDE PRIZE MONEY.:
letter was from a gentleman of high authority in that town Captain BAILEY wished to know when the Sinde
he stated that with regard to the passage of the poor in many prize money would be distributed.
instances the passage money was paid for them by parties in Sir J. C. HOBHOUSE replied that some difficulties
Ireland ; others paid it for themselves. The latter were those had also arisen with respect to the distribution of that
intending to emigrate to America. In no case, however, did prize money ; and the prize agents, in consequence, had
his (Lord Brougham's) correspondent know of a single instance referred two questions to the decision of the Board of
of the poor persons being brought over at the instance of the Control and the directors of the East India House, who
proprietors of steam-boats, on the speculation of their being
had given their decision. The questions were now
sent back, and their fares paid by this country. Mr. Rushton
under
said he did not believe such had ever been done, nor did he
(Lord Brougham) think that it had, though it • had been stated they would shortly give their decision, when the money
'bated.
otherwise. In one case it was said that 751. had been paid for would be distil
„.
the passage of 610 persons, or at the rate of about 2s. 6d. a PUBLIC IN ORKS (IRELAND).
' at •
head. 0: the poor persons thus brought over, there were two Captain HARRIS drew the attention of the house to
classes—one class being those who came to Liverpool in order a circular recently issued by Captain Clifford, who is con-
to emigrate to America, and the other class the destitute who netted with the public works in Sip, which he read,
spread over this country. Now, he would add a word on the and characterised it as extremely valuable. He wished
subject of emigration abroad. It was a most im- to know if the circular was intended for general distri-
portant, but at the same time a difficult question, bution in Ireland ?
still it was one of pressing importance, considering, not only the Mr. LABOUCHERE considered the circular a very
state of Ireland, but the demand for labourers in the colonheieers.
judicious one. His impression was that the circular was
T
The paper for which he had moved would show this.
not intended for general circulation. General instruc-
was at present a great emigration going forward, and
n any-tions would be shortly issued, which would supersede it.
thing they did they should take care that this was not
inter- THE NAVY.
feted with. Still they should see that they did not proceed too
far in that direction. He would remark that one part of the Mr. WARD .
gave notice that on a future day he
emigration from Ireland was most alarming, as it appeared should move .
for leave to introduce two Bills—the
many of the emigrants were small capitalists, who scraped all object of the first being to extend the service of boys
they could together, and left without paying their rents, taking in the Navy, and the second for the erection of
the executions served on them by their landlords in their prisons for the confinement of naval offenders.
pockets. He had been astounded at t e fact that, in one week DUBLIN CORPORATION.
Mr. GREGORY moved for a return of all expenses
recently, 8,000 persons, from Ireland, had left Liverpool for
America. These constituted about one half of the poor that
incurred by deputations of the Dublin Corporation from
had come over to Liverpool,
aye_ the Ist of November, 1841, to the 31st of De_tember,
Lord MOUNTCASHEL expressed a hope that some
tern of emigration would be adopted, as it was impossible that 1846, and also returns relating
to the admissionof f
ree-
Ireland could support its present population. It was necessary men.—Agreed to.
that the Government should take the subject into its most THE WELLINGTON STATUE.
serious consideration. Mr. C. BERKELEY wished to ask the First Commis-
Earl RIPON was glad at seeing the good spirit which pre- sinner of Woods and Forests what the final intentions of
veiled on the present question. He believed a system of her Majesty's Government were respecting the removal
emigration, judiciously managed, would have the best effect •
1 of the Wellington statue ? The statue had remained in
still it was one they should deal with cautiously. With regard its
to emigration to the United States, though it undoubtedly present position for upwards of six months, arid had
possessed greater advantages for absorbing the emigrants thancondemned by every person—C` Oh!" and laughter)
been
the colonies, still it should be observed that this Government —had been condemned by every person.—(" Oh !" and
He
would have no control over the emigrants when they got there, Laughter.) hoped the Noble Lord would state in a
as to their maintenance on arrival, or in forwarding them to plain and intelligible manner—(Laughter)—what the
their destination. He did not think any emigration at the intentions of her Majesty's Government were, and if the
public expense could be undertaken with that country ; sub committee would take down the scaffolding at their
and therefore it would be for them to see own expense.
what could be done with the Canadas. This Lord MOP.PETH said that it was the intention of
was undoubtedly the best field, as Australia was too far, her Majesty's Government that the statue should be
and the Cape of Good Hope, though a desirable colony, could removed, and he had always understood that the sub-
not possess sufficient capacity for absorbing a large population.
committee were under the same impression as the
He hoped that the Government would devise a measure to
Government, that they had a right to take it down at
meet the case, and to provide facilities for those who might .
de-
their own expense.
sire to settle in the colonies.
bject then dropped. Sir DE LACY EVANS said that there was an an
The su
Their Lordships adjourned. dit abroad that they would not pay the expense of its
removal.

HOUSE 01 COMMONS. March 15.
The bPEAKER took the Chair at Four o'clock.
SECOND READINGS.

ETON MONTEM.
Mr. JAMES wished to put a question to the Right
Hon. Gentleman the Home Secretary respecting the
practice called Eton Montem. This was a subject
which had recently excited considerable interest in the
public mind. The House was aware that the authorities
of Eton College had expressed their intention of abolish-
ing the practice in consequence of its immoral tendency,
and its effect in relaxing the discipline of the school.
It eyes evidently clear, and there was no doubt of it, that
the custom observed by the young gentlemen at Eton
Montem was illegal—(Laughter)—and that they were
liable to be committed under the Vagrant ct.—
(Laughter.) The question which be wished to ask was,
whether, in the event of the Provost and Head Master of
Eton agreeing to continue the Montem under the advice of
an illustrious personage, the Right Hon. Baronet intended
to bring in auy Bill to legalise the acts, which plainly
subjected those practising them to a charge of highway
robbery ?—(Great laughter.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said that, as he was a more proper
person to answer the question, he might state that when
tier Majesty asked his opinion as to giving effeact tostate thed
measures for the abolition of the Monten, he hd
that in the advice which he bad given to her Majesty he
) had thought it his duty to say that he concei the
Provost and Head Master to be the proper personsved
to
consider that question, and that it ought to be left in
their hands.

The following Bills were read a second time:—
Colchester Navigation and Improvement.
Edinburgh Markets and Customs.
Glasgow and Shott's Roads.
Glasgow, Paisley, and Greenock Railway (Branches
at Port-Glasgow).
Glasgow, Paisley, and Greenock Railway (Branch to
the Caledonian Railway, and Diversion of Canal).
Midland Railway (Mangotsfi(ld to Bath).
Parkgato and Chester and Birkenhead Junction
Railway.
Sunderland Improvement, Markets, and Bridge.
Weymouth and Melcombe Regis Harbour and Bridge
Trusts.
Wolverhampton General Cemetery.
RAJA OF SATTARA.
Dr. BOWRING presented a petition from the inhabi-
tants of the city of London, praying that the House
would take such measures as would allow the Raja of
Satttra to have that privilege which belonged to the
meanest of her Majesty's subjects, namely, an oppor-
tunity of examining the charges against him, and the
evidence adduced thereon.—Ordered to be laid on the

table.
Mr. FITZROY presented a petition from the col-
lectors and the assessors of the income• tax, praying for
a remuneration more adequate to their labours.
Mr. REDHEAD YORKE presented a petition from
the parish of St. George's, in York, against the Poor
Removal Bill.
Sir J. TYRELL presented a petition from the parish of
Halston, praying that the present criminal code might be
abolished.

POOR•LAW IN IRELAND.
I,lr. ROEBUCK presented a petition from Wiltshire,
raying the House to grant a permanent poor-law for
reland.

DISTRESS IN IRELAND.
Lord LINCOLN presented a petition from the barony
of Farney, in the county of Monaghan, in Ireland,
signed by 1,084 of the cottiers there, stating that during
the last two years they had experienced great dis-
tress in consequence of the failure of the
potato crop, and praying that the House would devise
some means by which they might be enabled to
emigrate. They calculated that the cost tor emigration
would be only 51. per head for the adults and 31. for the
younger members of their families. These circum-
stances claimed especial atteLtion in the barony of
Farney, for there no relief had taken place by the intro-
duction of public works. They prayed that their peti-
tion might be taken into considerai ion, and some mea-
sures taken which would in the mean time give them

employment.
Lord G. BENTINCK presented several petitions
from the cottiers of the eastern portion of the barony '
of Farney, in the county of Monaghan, signed by 1,490
heads of tamilies, stating that they had suffered severe
distress during the last few years in consequence of the
failure of the potato crop. They had no means of sub•
sistence but potatoes grown upon the conacre system,
and from the failure of the crops they had reason to
believe that the farmers would no longer let them land.
The farmers could not in any way assist more than one
half of the number of persons who required it, and they
prayed that the House would take such measures as
would enable them to emigrate to the colonies. He also
presented two petitions from the southern division of the
county of Tipperary, praying the House to encourage
the system of emigration, and also to grant a Bill to
stimulate railway enterprise on a large scale in Ireland.
HARBOUR IMPROVEMENTS.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from a number of
shipowners and others of Glasgow, praying for a general
Harbour Cjnservancy Bill, instead of the present mode
of dealing with harbours. He gave notice that to-
morrow he should move that the petition be printed with
Mr.
GDRUEBGLOIRNYIMPROVEMENTtitiBonILiL.ro.m
inhabitants of Dublin against the Dublin Improvement
Bill.
COMMITTEE ON RAILWAY REGULATIONS.
Lord GRANVILLE SOMERSET wished to have
some information from the Hon. Member for Inverness,
or any other Member of the Committee that sat On
railways last session, as to the circumstances under which
the report was issued? The evidence had been pub.
lished, and a report founded on it furnished to the House,
purporting to be the report of the Committee, though
it would appear to have been only the report of an
individual, the chairman. Such a course, he submitted,
was altogether irregular.
Mr. MILNER GIBSON said that he had been a
member of the Committee alluded to by the Noble
Lord. Be recollected beingthe at
7th the
of la
Augst meeting
but one of the Committee, on ust. On
that ot,easion a series of rdsolutiona was submitted and
considered and amended. These resolutions were re-
ported to the house accompanied by
About a fortnight after, the the evidence.
25th of August, the COM
mittee was summoned to meet, but no one attended
but the Hon. Member for Inverness, the chairman.
They were, therefore, unable to make a quorum, but a
' draft of the report was NM on the table,
an
n d a minute
; was made by the clerk of the pdigs. After-
the Totes, that the draft
1 wards it appeared from