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. that observation was himself a Member of the Cabinet
which proposed that reduction, and he was the Member
who suggested it. If that party brought forward a
delusive measure—a measure useless to the consumer,
• lestructive to the colonies, bad in itself, and of no profit
to the revenue—if that party assented to that measure
when it was proposed in the House of Commons by
!;,'arl Spencer—he (the Chancellor of the Exchequer)
could not avoid expressing his surprise that he should
denounce it afterwards in the terms attributed to
him.—(Cries of " gear, hear.") He was surprised
that the same party, had now turned round upon him (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) and said that the same
measure was worse than useless, and delusive—that it
was mad.—(Hear, hear.) He must say, that the party
to which he alluded could only be regarded as one whose
character and opinions should not carry that weight
which the public were willing to attach to them.
He had next a few observations to make upon that great
and important subject the Corn-laws. The Ministerial
Measure, in relation to those laws, had not been brought
forward as a measure of finance, and it had not been
framed with reference to the Budget. There was no
doubt, however, that they could not look to the revenue
without finding the question of course coming constantly
under their consideration. There was no doubt but
the first question which the Chancellor of the Exchequer
asked, when calculating his reveune, was, whatwas the
state of the harvest, as that revenue would depend entirely
upon the consuming power of the people.—(Cheers.) If
therefore, it was considered merely in that light, it Avis
still a question of the deepest importance. But if they
looked upon it in a larger point of view, the revenue
sunk into nothing. He would not enter upon the question
•of corn at that moment ; he believed they would have
other opportunities of discussing it. He had, no doubt,
that the present scale of ditty had not been framed with
a view of inflicting hardships upon any class of the com-
munity ; but he Still felt it had been framed with.the
mistaken though well-meant intention of producing
steadiness of price. He believed that in the result it had
greatly failed.—(Hear, hear.) He believed that its
failure had been proved by many years of experience ;
and they had since learned the very different principle
that the less they attempted to interfere with-those mat-
ters the more likely would they be to succeed. He en-
treated Hon. Gentlemen opposite to take the question
into their immediate consideration with a view to place
it if possible upon a satisfactory and lasting foundation.
He trusted that as wise men, reading the signs of the
times, they would see that whatever resistance they
might offer, some revision of the present duty must take
place, and they should substitute in its stead aduty
which wouldl in name, if not in reality, a fixed one.
He earnestly entreated 'the powerful party opposite to be
wise in time, and while they had power to exercise that
power in a way in which, if they did not exercise it, they
would not retain it long ; while they would leave a
rankling sore on the vitals of the country, and strike a
blow which must ultimately undermine the sources of its
prosperity.—(Cheers.)
Mr. GOULBURN 'rose and said, that it had not
been his intention to have offered any observations to
the House upon that occasion ; but he was sure the
House would feel that, after the unusual allusions which
the Right Hon. Gentleman had made to the financial
transactions of the country for the last ten years, and
after the part which he had borne in contests upon that
subject with the Right Hon. Gentleman, it would not be
just to those who had not paid attention to statements of
the kind—it would not be just, on his part, to the
Right Hon. Gentleman himself—if he (Mr. Goulburn)
did not proceed at once to state the reasons why his
views upon finance differed entirely from those of the
Right Hon. Gentleman. He was sure it would be his
fault if he did not satisfy the House in judging between
thelwo.opposing statements, that those of the Right
Hon. Gentleman could not possibly be justified by facts.
—(Hear, hear.) He should first make a few observations
upon the subject of that Budget which they were to have
disposed of in the last Session of Parliament. The first
remark he would make upon the subject was this, that
although a prominent feature in the sugar duties was an
alteration in those duties—although the party opposite
had maintained, upon the debate of last Session, that the
supply of sugar which we might in future expect from
our colonies would be so limited as to render it necessary
for us to have recourse to slave-grown sugar—al-
though that was the argument which had been used
by the Right Honourable Gentleman in proposing
his measure—and although a .contrary opinion had
been expressed by Honourable Members upon his (Mr.
Goulburn's) side of the House, the Right Hon.' Gen-
tleman had avoided saying anything upon that part of
his Budget which had been most pressed by him, and
which, in point of revenue, was the source from which
he expected the greatest profit.—(Hear, hear.) Why
that silence? The fact was simply this, that every pre-
diction on the subject, which had been made upon that
(the Opposition) side of the House, had been amply ve-
rified by subsequent facts. The Right Hon. Gentleman
knew as well as he did that the supply of sugar from the
East and West Indies had', during the three months
which had elapsed since the period at which the subject
had been last under discussion in the House, more
than realised the expectations of the majority on the
occasion, and had exceeded the import during the cor-
responding period last year.—(Cheers.) And more
than that, the Right Hon. Gentlemen was aware that the
consumption of the country during the three
months had risen to such a point that, if it did
not decrease during the remaining nice months,
the consumption of the commodity this year would ex-
ceed the consumption of any preceding one.— (Hear,
hear.) The. Right Hon. Gentleman the President of
the Board of Trade had alluded to the consumption of
sugar from January to June, and confined himself
strictly to those six months, from which he drew
an analogy in favour of the argument he had used upon
a former occasion. But he (Mr. Goulburn), thinking'
there was something rather suspicious in the suppres-
sion of the returns for the period following, had applied
to commercial men, from whom he learned that a great
increase in the consumption had taken place during the
last three months. .So..xxrch for ahe'emission, upon' the
part of the Right Hon. Baronet, of a prominent subject
in his Budget. But the Right Hon. Gentleman thought
fit to touch upon the subject of timber—a question nob
brought forward in that House. The Right
Honourable Gentleman had expressed his disap-
probation of the statements made upon that subject
by a Noble Lord elsewhere ; but as no Member of the
Government had contradicted these statements, he (Mr.
Goulburn) could only conclude that they did not admit
of refutation.—(Hear, hear.) But as the Right Hon.
Gentleman had broached the subject of the Timber
duties, he (Mr. Goulburn) might be permitted to call
the attention of the House to a circumstance which
would not probably increase their confidence in the
financial ability of the members of her Majesty's Go-
vernment. Those Members of the House who had sat
in the last Parliament might, perhaps, remember that
the Right Hon.' Gentleman the Chancel:or of the Ex-
chequer had brought forward the proposed alteration of
the timber duties, with a view to obtain a sum of
GOO,OOCf. to meet the expenses of the year. It so hap-
pened that the Governor-General of Canada had thought
proper, at the request of the House of Assembly, to lay
upon the table of that House the letter which he
had addressed to the Noble Lord the Secretary
for . the Colonies, stating his views with respect
to the timber duties. The Right Hon. Gentleman then
proceeded to read an extract from the letter, the sub-
stance of which was as follows—" Great alarm is neces-
sarily felt by those engaged in the timber trade in Canada,
as the prospect of any alteration in the duty levied upon
timber imported into the United Kingdom might
affect the protection hitherto afforded to colonial timber;
but the question must of course be resolved by the
Government, and Parliament, according to the views
they might take of the general condition of the empire.
I conceive, however, that in any change which may be
determined upon, if it were one which would disturb the
proportion of duty paid upon colonial and foreign timber
under the existing law, care should be taken to diminish
as much as possible the loss to individuals, by rendering
the change gradual. Such a course was certainly
most just as wall as most -politic ; but above
all, I must express my hope that, whatever al-
teration is adopted, the recommendations of the Com-
mittee of 1835, of which I was the Chairman, will be
adhered to—namely. that the change will not effect the
importation of the year, which would be an act of ex-
treme hardship upon the colonial trade, inasmuch as it
can only be carried on by engagements entered into
many months befhre the time at which the goods can be
shipped." All shipments, therefore, which could be
made had been entered into upon the faith of
a continuance of the, present law—(Hear, hear)—
mid those
_shipments .eonld not be eouatermanded or
stopped,—(Hear, hear.) Was the Government ig-
norant of that simple fact, that the- timber ordered from
Canada was ordered a long time before it arrived in this
country? Or, if they were aware of the fact, how could
the Chancellor of the Exchequer come down to the
House of Commons and propose a reduction of the duty
upon timber as a means of meeting the expenses of the
year? The Right Hon. Gentleman had complained of
misrepresentations made at the recent eleCtion, with re-
gard to the financial policy of the Government. But
whose fault was that ? Not his (Mr. Goulburn's), not
that of those with whom he was associated. He had
taken the precaution, on the announcement of *a dissolu-
tion of the late Parliament, to move for papers which
would have shown the real state of the finances of the
country ; but though those papers had been moved for
in time to be printed and presented to the late
Parliament, they had not been laid upon the
table of the House until the day before yester-
day,(llear, hear, from the Opposition benches.) So
far, then, es the ignorance of the electors was concerned,
the fault did not lie with them. Ho would next proceed
to certain statements of the Right lion. Gentleman, and
although be had not come forward to speak upon the
subject, ho trusted lie could show that those statements
were in many respects fallacious. The first point to
which the Right Honourable Gentleman referred,
was the amount of the national expense at cer-
tain periods, comparing preceding Administrations
with his own, The Right Hon. Gentleman had taken
the ftverege expenditure of fire years, including three
years of the administration of the Duke of Wellington,
and he stated that the expenditure exceeded that of the
last five years. Now, it had been said, that the taking
of average was a fallacious mode of judging the eftects
of the Corn-laws ; and the same remark applied to mat-
ters of finance. The rate of the expenditure during the
five years ending with the Duke of Wellingtons adminis-
tration, was very high during the first of those years, and
very low during the last. A decrease, therefore, had
been gradually going on during those five years ; while
the average had constantly increased during the last
five years.—(Opposition cheers.) In his (Mr. Goul-
burn's) opinion a wise system of financial economy
would consist in a gradual reduction of the pub-
lic expendiure, and he thought, therefore, that
the House would see that the averages in
question afforded the Right Honourable Gentleman
but little ground for triumph.—(Hear.) But his com-
plaints against the Government had never been confined
to mere questions of expenditure. He admitted that
there were citses ji4 which an incrcose of expenditure

was inevitable ; but his complaint against the present
Ministry was that they had uniformly failed to keep the
income of the country on a footing to meet the na-
tional wants.—(Hear.) If they increased their expendi-
ture without at the same time increasing their in-
come, their system was ruinous, and became a
subject of great reproach.—(Cries of " Hear.")
There never had been a budgetbrought forward in which
he had not raised his voice against such a course as ne-
cessarily leading to difficulty, if not to ruin—in which he
had not protested against the Government for not pro-
viding for the increase in expenditure by an increase in
income.—(Cheers.) Then came the statement of the
Right Hon. Gentleman respecting the manner in which
he had dealt with the debt, and he thought that that
statement must have struck every one who heard it as
one of the most wonderful instances of financial power
ever exhibited. If the Right Hon. Gentlemen were
really able to effect the achievements of which he had
boasted, so far from wishing to remove him from his sta-
tion, the House ought to vote that he should be con-
. tinned in his office for ever.—(Hear, hear, and laughter.)
The Right Hon. Gentleman had said that if they took the
amount of the debt of the country j.n 1830, and the
amount of the debt in 1840, and excluded from the ac-
count the amount of the West India loan, they would
find that during those ten years the amount of the debt
was reduced by thirteen millions; and the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman went on to say that if the
amount of the debt in 1835 were compared with
the amount of the debt in 1840, it would be found
that of that 13 millions, seven millions had been reduced
within the latter period. Now, this certainly exhibited
one of the most miraculous efforts of finance on record.
The exhibitions of Katterfelto and of the Wizard of the
North were nothing equal to it.—(A laugh.) They,
indeed, shut up an empty pot, and pulled out a pan-
cake ; but the Right Hon. Gentlemen shut up an empty
chest, and pulled out 13 millions.—(Cheers and laughter.)
Now, the oily means of paying off debt must be from
the surplus in the revenue ; and during some of those
years there was a surplus of 7,400,0001., while during
others there was a deficiency of 4,000,0001., leaving
a net surplus of 3,400,0001., with which the
Chancellor of the Exchequer said that he had paid off
13 millions of debt.—(Cheers and laughter.) Now how
did the Right Hon. Gentleman make that out ? When
he (Mr. Goulburn) was Chancellor of the Exchequer he
had brought into Parliament an Act empowering the
Commissioners of the National Debt to cancel a portion
of the debt by granting annuities terminable at the end
of a term of years. The effect was to create a sinking
fund, diminishing the capital while increasing the annual
charge. The Hon: Gentleman said he had those an-
nuities back. Now, suppose those annuities had been
granted for 12 years, the Right Hon. Gentleman took
the value of the ,annuities at 12 years' purchase, and
put them on his (Mr. Goulburn's) side of the ac-
count and thus increased it by that additional
change, while he put two years' purchase only
on his own, and having done that, the Right Ho-
nourable Gentleman exclaimed, see to what an amount
I have reduced the national debt ; but if that course
were adopted whoever might succeed the Right Hon.
Gentleman would be able to boast that he had still
further reduced the debt ; or if the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman himself were to continue in office, and sit still,
and do nothing, he would still be able to make the
same appeal to the House, and refer to the reduction
of the debt by such means as a proof of his wonder-
ful sagacity.—(Cheers and laughter.) The Right Hon.
Gentleman next alluded to the savings' banks, and he
was glad that had done so, for he (Mr. Goulburn)
was as anxious as the Chancellor of the Exchequer could
be to disabuse the public mind of any supposition that
the operations of the Right Hon. Gentleman were calcu-
lated to diminish, in the remotest degree, the security of
parties depositing money in those banks.—(Hear, hear.)
Nothing could be more erroneous than any supposition of
that sort, and however much he might have objected to
the operittion of the Right Hon. Gentleman, that had
never been the ground on which he had objected to
them. His objection was to the principle of not keeping
the income equal to the expenditure. And the Chancel-
lor of the Exchequer, having the power by these means
of creating permanent debt, without the knowledge or
controul of Parliament—(Hear, hear)—he would admit
that, as the law stood, the Right Hon. Gentleman had
the power of acting as he haddone. But it was never
the intention of the law to confer that power. The law
empowered the Commissioners of savings' banks to in-
vest their money in any securities they might deem most
eligible. They had the power of selling Exchequer
Bills, or of cancelling them, and calling on the Govern-
ment to give them new stock, and this power had been
given them with a view ofmeeting the exigencies of Exche-
quer Bills falling and being necessary to be funded, but not
with a view of enabling the Government arbitrarily to
make a loan without the knowledge of Parliament. That
was the operation which had taken place, and the
saving banks had had new bonded stock in exchange
for Exchequer Bills. He objected to that operation as a
step taken for obtaining money without the knowledge
of Parliament, but was as anxious as the Right Hon.
Gentleman to disabuse the public mind as to the possi-
bility of loss to the depositors. The Financial Com-
mittee had recommended that Government should al-
ways endeavour to procure an annual surplus of
three millions, and that nothing should be
applied towards the redemption of the debt, which
was not an actual surplus over expenditure.—(Hear.)
The reason of this was, because they felt convinced that
if an endeavour was not made to secure a surplus of
three millions, no surplus whatever could be realised
after the deductions had been made for an unexpected
contingency. During the three years of the Duke of
Wellington's Administration, he would admit that the
surplus was only eight millions, but during the last five
years there had been a deficiency of six millions ; thus
showing the contrast between the two systems ; the
one realizing the perpetually increasing surplus, and
the other it perpetually increasing deficiency.—(Hear,
hear.) It' was perfectly true the year after
they had quitted office, the revenue had not
realised what he had anticipated when he made that
great reduction of taxation in the precaing year. This
was 'partly owing to the Government having been
broken up before he had had an opportunity of proposing
those taxes, on which he had relied for part of his
snpplies. But in the succeeding year there had been a
surplus of 700,0001., which would have gone on in-
creasing had it not been for the reductions in taxation
which it had then been thought fit to make. His ob-
jection to the Ministry was not that they had increased
the expenditure, but that they had neglected to increase
the income at the same time—that every time they had
increased expenditure they had repeated taxes. lie
did not think it necessary to enter further into discus-
sion. If he had made himself intelligible to the
House, he had shown, first, that the system of averages,
on which the Right Hon. Gentleman founded his claim
to the confidence of that House, was not a just one ;
secondly, that the claim of the Right Hon. Gentleman to
have reduced thirteen millions of debt, while be had
only three millions of surplus to do it with, was one that
was utterly inadmissible ; and, further, that, as regarded
the reduction of annuities, the Right Hon. Gentleman
was entitled to no credit whatever for that course. If
this was all the Right Hon. Gentleman could state as
a reason why, at the last moment, the House should
repose confidence in him--for let it be recollected that
Hon. Gentlemen were not now on their trial,—that had
taken place in the last Parliament—(Cheers)--and the
jury had found thorn guilty.—(Hear, and cheers.)
And now they had appealed to the higher Court,
the constituency of the country, which had confirmed
the verdict. They now: stood there for the judgment
which Parliament felt disposed to pass upon thorn.
—(Cheers.) If this was the only case on which they
could rest their appeal for renewed confidence, he
would leave it to the House to determine on which side
the question should be decided.—(Cheers.)
Mr. WAKLEY said, that after listening to the state-
ments, the arguments, and the illustrations of the Right
Hon. Gentleman who had immediately preceded him,
any one would suppose that there was no country so ably
governed as England, and that where so much virtue, so
much industry, and so much patience was exhibited in
the management of public affairs, it was impossible that any
new doctor could be required.—(Laughter.) After all,
however, it appeared that the public accounts were kept
in a very strange state, so confused, so involved, and so
unintelligible were they, that while one Right Hon.
Gentleman made it appear from them that there had
been a saving of four millions, another made it appear
that there had been actually no saving at all, but a loss
to the country—(Cheers)—and John Bull endured all
this with calmness.--(Hear, hear.) The people were in
a state of misery, and Hon. Gentlemen cared not for
their sufferings.—(Hear, hear.) The people were hungry,
and the House cheered. He could not comprehend how
the State accounts were kept, and lie trusted that the
Right Honourable Baronet, the moment afthirs came
into his hands, would turn his intelligent eye to
those accounts, and try to remedy the anomaly.
At all events, it appeared from the mariner in which the
public accounts were kept, that they were entitled to no
confidence. A vast deal had been said as to the want of
confidence in Ministers. They had lost none of his con-
fidence, for a very simple reason, because they had never
possessed it. lie had taken them as his Hon. Friend
the Member for Bath had done, because he could not
get a better. He had supported them because a better
could not be found.—(Loud cheers and laughter.) He
trusted that the Right Hon. Baronet would show himself
entitled to the support of the Radical party, although he
doubted it.—(Cheers.) He expected there would be but
little difference manifested in the management of public
affairs by the two parties contending for power.
"Strange such a difference should be
'Twixt tweedle dum and tweedlo dee."
He believed that until the House of Commons should
be differently organized, the people would not find a
doctor to their liking. The House did not represent
the people of the country. The millions who were
imploring their aid were not represented in that House.
Parties in that House represented their own interest, and
that they well understood that, no one could deny.—
In such a state of things, it was impossible to expect that
any proper remedy could be applied. Palliative expedients
would he resorted to, and they would loose the opportu-
nity of performing the only cure—a radical one. The
Address, for which he felt compelled to vote, because be
liked it better than the amendment, said the revenue ought
to be increased. Now his opinion was that the expenditure
ought to be diminished; it was extravagant to a degree of
folly ; and the extravagance in every public department,
while the people were bornei down to the earth by distress,
was monstrous, inhuman, and disgusting.—(Cheers.) The
Crown itself was costly. Now was the Crown main-
tained for the benefit of the people or of a party?—
(Cheers.) He felt himself compelled to ask that ques-
tion after the language held by the Hon. Member for
Manchester, that the Ministers were acting in opposition
to law and the Constitution by remaining in office ; and
after the language which they had just heard from the
Hon. Member for the University of Cambridge, who had
stated that the Ministers had been condemned in the
last House of Parliament, and stood there for judgment,
se that that House was to condemn without having
heard the evidence.—(Cries of " No, no.") Was that
denied ? Were they not called on to as judgment—

they, a new House of Parliament, having nothing in
common with the old one?(Cheers.) For himself, he
had always been an advocate for monarchy, but it ap-
peared to him that the mode of action adopted by Hon.
Gentlemen opposite was in defiance of the monarchical
principle. Gentlemen opposite had taunted them with
being anarchists, republicans, and haters of monarchy.
He would tell those.llon. Gentlemen that they were de-
ceived—that they were entirely mistaken as to the views
which were entertained by the
_constitutional Radical
party in this country.—(Laughter from the Tory
benches.) Surely they would give him credit for stating
that which he believed to be true. He gave them credit
for sincerity, and he claimed the like credit for himself.
He could state that the constitutional Radical party
in this country was as strenuously and . conscientiously
attached to the Monarchy as any Gentleman in that
House. It was attached also to the Church of England ;
it would sacrifice any institution rather than see the
Church sacrificed.—(Hear, hear.) " Our desire," said
'the Hon. Member, " is exactly the same as yours, to
maintain our institutions, but we adopt a different mode
of maintaining them.—(Laughter.) You attempt to
maintain our institutions by the few ruling the many—
we attempt to maintain them by the many ruling
`the few. Our object is to strengthen these insti-
tutions by surrounding them with the affection, love,
and regard of the people, and we dread your acting in
defiance of the people, because it would be fraught with
.danger."—(Loud cheers.) Now what had passed on
'that occasion ? The Queen, in the exercise of her un-
doubted prerogative, had discharged the late Parliainent,
and, a new one had been returned. Why were Ciey to
assume, without a single vote, that Ministers had lost
the confidence of the House ? It was unpleasant, he
knew, to hear these remarks.—(Hear, hear.) He was
desirous only of stating the facts, without giving
offence to any party. The Queen had made a speech to
the new Parliament. What was the answer returned?
That they would not receive the Speech as from the pre-
sent Ministers. Had a Radical pursued such a course
he would have been told that he was treating the Queen
with personal disrespect, that he was acting in defiance of
the wishes of the Sovereign, and thereby endangering
the Monarchy. When the Right Hon. Baronet met the
Parliament in 1834 he acknowlede;ed that there was an
overwhelming majority against him, and with • that
knowledge he met the Parliament. But did the House
at once say that they would not give him a trial, or did
they send back the insolent answer, " You have sent a
Minister here in whom we have no confidence ; take him
back again."—(Hear, hear.) The Right Hon. Baronet
on that occasion said he felt it to be his first and para-
mount duty to maintain the post which had been con-
fided to him, which he did not seek, but could not de-
cline, " and," said the Right Hon. Baronet, " I call upon
you not to condemn before you have heard—(Hear,from the
Ministerial Benches)—to listen to all the measures I
shall propose; to amend them if they shall be defective;
to extend them, if they fall short of your expectations,
but at least to give me the opportunity of presenting
them, that you yourselves may correct and dispose of
them."—(Hear, hear.) Now that was the precept, but
what was the example ? The Right Hon: Baronet con-
tinued in office for three months longer, and the cir-
cumstances which attended his continuance presented a
very striking contrast to what was now passing.—(Hear,
hear.) Was it meet, was it prudent, 'that an immense body
of Members should come into the House pledged to vote
against the Ministry, and against the wishes of the Crown?
(Ironical cries of "Hear, 'hear" from the Tory benches.)
Was this holding out to the country that kind of mo-
nition which it was desirable to communicate to a large
and fickle people like the English ? Was it prudent
not to give the Ministry an opportunity of bringing for-
ward their measures ?—(Hear, hear and laughter.)
Hon. Gentlemen seemed very much amused, but he
could clearly perceive that the laugh was not an agree-
ble one. There was a very unpleasant feeling luring
beneath the smiling face—(Hear, hear, from the Mi-
nisterial benches)—and he did not believe that
when the Honourable Baronet came to reflect
deeply, upon what he had been forced to do by the
eager expectants of place and office, his own mind would
suggest a complete and ample justification of that course.
The difficulties of the present position of affairs were
great. The errors which the Ministers had committed
were numerous and enormous.—(Laughter from the
Opposition benches.) He (Mr:Wakley) had had an
opportunity of witnessing their conduct, and knew what
a golden opportunity they had lost of serving their coun-
try. They would not listen to his (Mr.W.'s) advice. He
had prescribed without a fee in 1837.—(Great laughter.)
He did not wait for a fee, for he considered that he was
fairly called in to the consultation when his constituents
had sent him to Parliament,—(Hear, hear.) He barely
prescribed three small powders. The Right Honourable
Baronet had got 326 pills by his side.—(Laughter.) He
(Mr. Wakley's) medicine would have rendered the
Right Honourable Baronet great service—it was simple
and appropriate--(Renewed laughter)—but he feared
that the medicine which he had then in his pos-
session, and which he would be compelled to swallow,
would very soon remove him from the seat he occupied.
—(Long continued laughter.) He wished the Noble
Lord (J. Russell) well out of his difficulties, the more
especially as he was now one of the metropolitan dema-
gogues.—(Laughter from the Opposition.) Well, it
seemed that there was to be a change in the Government
that they were to have new parties in power. If the
Right Hon. Baronet came into power, he should have no
factious opposition from him (Mr. Wakley). As an
humble individual he would give his best consideration
to every measure which he should submit to the House,
and if he proposed a good- measure, it should have
as cordial, as warm, and as hearty a support from him as
though it came from the sincerest Radical Reformer in
the kingdom.—(Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) The
Right Hon. Baronet had undoubted capacity—was a man
of vast ability. He (Mr. W.) knew more of the Right
Hon. Baronet's ability than some men in Ihe House, for
ho had made a phrenological survey of his head.—(Loud
laughter.) The Right Hon. Gentleman possessed the
intellectual power which was so essential in the minister
of a great country. If he exercised his own judgment
without control—(Hear, hear, from the Liberal Benches)
—entirely free from the misrepresentations which might
be addressed to him,—from the instigations which might
be offered to him—he would render enormous benefit to
his country. It was in his power, and God grant that it
might be exercised ; it was his (Mr. IV's.) most earnest
desire. But if the Right Honourable Baronet should
yield to mischievous advisers, and should not exercise
those abilities with which he was endowed, he (Mr.
Wakley) would be ready to form one of a national
party whose energies would be exerted for the
best interest of the people. The wars in which
this country had been engaged Ishad entailed upon it an
enormous debt. It was not great or magnanimous to
hand down such a debt to posterity. The Government
of England declared, forty or fifty years since, that,
unless we were engaged in continental war,
their estates would be sacrificed, that the country would
be invaded, and they themselves left desolate. This
country had not been invaded, and they still possessed
their estates. But a debt cf 500,000,000 had been con-
tracted, which was to be paid out of the industry of the
people. He asked the landed proprietors to do justice to
those who were suffering from such a debt.—(Hear.)
But supposing the Right Hon. Baronet should come into
office, who were to be his colleagues ? Was there
an agreement between the Right. Hon.. Gentleman the
Member for Dorchester, and the. Right Hon. Baronet
on the question of finance, or between the Right Hon.
Baronet and the Noble Lord the Member for North
Lancashire relative to the government of Ireland?
They could not be sensible to what was passing
in the Sister Kingdom. There was a demand
in that country for a repeal of the Union.
He was sorry that such a demand had been
made. A more disastrous event could not take place.
Still he wished to know what course the Right Hon.
Baronet would pursue. What was the language of four
distinguished statesmen when the Catholic Relief
Bill was before the House? It should be remem-
bered that to obtain that Bill , 300,000 voters were
disfranchised. The four statesmen to whom he referred
were the Duke of Wellington, Lord Lyndhurst, the Right
Hon. Baronet opposite, and the Noble Lord the Member
for North Lancashire. The language of the Duke of Wel-
lington on the second reading of the Bill was as
follows:—" There is no.. doubt that after this mea-
sure has been adopted the Roman Catholics can
have no separate interests as a separate sect, for I
am sure neither this House nor the other House
of Parliament will be disposed to look either
upon Roman Catholics or on anything which
concermis Ireland with any other feelings than
those with which they regard England and Scotland.
The Hon. Member then read the statements of Lord
Lyndhurst, Sir R. Peel, and Lord J. Russell, and ob-
served that he hoped what he had referred to would be
useful to the Right. Hon. Baronet in forming his new
Ministry.—(Hear, hear, hear.) He would now trouble
the House with a. few remarks with reference to what had
fallen from the Hon. Member for Bath. That Hon.
Member had praised, with more consistency than discre-
tion, the Poor-law Amendment Act.—(Hear, hear.)
Now he (Mr. Wakley) with consistency, and, he
hoped, with discretion, designated that measure as
most objectionable, and he believed that it was morn
obnoxious to the kindly feelings of the people than any
law that had been enacted by Parliament. He (Mr.
Wakley); therefore, entreated the Right. Hon. Baronet
td take that odious law 'into his consideration—and •he
was most anxious that he should have time for doing so,
His HenOurable Friend, the Member for Bath, was
a democrat,and being so, he asked him to point out any
words in that law that had a democratic tendency. The
fact was, that it was based .on tyranny.—(Hear.) He
would without hesitation assert that no Poor-law could
be wise that did net give to the parties having the
distribution of the funds, the opportunity of distin-
guishing between virtue and vice.—(Hear.) The more
he thohght of it, the more he was convinced that
him
person could retain power who did not do all in
hear.)
power to alter and amend that law.--(Hear, „e
The gentlemen of England must be aware
if
they
they supported that law.—(Hear, hear.)
dorconsider
knew what the hungry man felt, they
before they excited their passions.
fore, that the Right Honourable Baronet A
o.nd careful
Bill was an
subject of this law into his deliberate,
ne'‘.;°vuousuille-c;it'altcheetrlei;
he Right jr
consideration.—(Hear, hear.) He did not ask for
the repeal of the law, but only that t
Baronet would take the state of the pear man into
his consideration. The present
an odious measure, and the one that proved the
Poor-law
wad
downfall of the present Ministry, 10, he believed
that had it not been for it, they would have had at the
present moment a llargenlaPritj,lHEßl ON the debate
7 )
.
—(Hear
On the motion oeMr. BR
was adjourned till to- morrow, and at Twenty Minutes
past Twelve o'Clock the House Adjourned.

BRUSSELS, AUG. 23.—The Belgian schooner
Rembrandt, Capt. Gaoling, has sailed for Antwerp, with a full
cargo of military stores, bombs, and cannons, for Alexandria ;
it is another portion of the articles ordered of the Royal foundry
at Liege, for Mehemet All. The department of the interior
has just received for the foreign department the new Portu-
guese tariff of customs, mentioned by a
Royal decree of the
14th of Marchlls4ll

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.
MANSION-HOUSE.

BARTHOLOMEW FAIR.—Mr. Hicks, the Chtirman of the
Markets' Committee, waited upon the Lord Mayor on the
subject of the memorial of the inhabitants of West Smithfield,
praying that the approaching Bartholomew F,.;r irt.gla be re-
gulated according to the arrangements of 1e39, or wholly
abolished.

The Chairman stated that he had read the statement of
what had taken place before Alderman Wilscat on 'Wednesday
with peculiar satisfaction' as it was calculated to show, without
any application to the Committee at all, that the measures
adopted upon the excellent advice of the City Solicitor were
in vigorous operation.
Tha LORD MAvott said that with every disposition to ren-
der service to the memorialists, he could not think of acting
in oppositiom to the legal authority to which reference had
been made on this important subject. All he had to do was
to proceed in the ordinary course, taking care that there
should be no infringement of the Charter.
The Chairman informed his Lordship that the Special Cons
mittee had met that day for the purpose of making the rem
ssry preparations for the fair, with the intention of malice
them conformable to the excellent report drawn up by the city
Solicitor.

The LORD MAYOR supposed from these observation§ that
it was the intention of the Committee to exclude what was
called "dramatic entertainments " from the fair?
The Chairman said that was most decidedly the case. They
had adopted the popular alteration proposed by the City Soli"
eitor, of " abridging the duration of the fair to two clear days,
and by refusing to let standings for show booths, thus pre-
paring the way for its natural death." The Corporation had
abolished " Ladye Fair " in Southwark, and the nuisance of
Bartholomew Fair, which infinitely surpassed any other public
abomination of the kind, would be every year diminished untiil
it should at length become a scarcely legible record.
The conversation here dropped, and the odiotis fa'r of St.
Bartholomew will soon sink into nothing. The -police Will
receive directions to pay very particular attention to the move-
ments of the class of persons to whom the deputation of the
inhabitants of Smithfield especially referred in their memoriA

SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE.
(LLOYD'S.)
FALMOUTII, Atm. 24.—Wind N.W. to W. S.W.—Arrived
the Monkey, Jacmel, for Leghorn ; Mermaid, Dale, Suirna',_
Arrived off, the Priscilla, from the Brazils, for Hamburg° ;
Cornwall, St. Andrew's.
SCILLY, Ana. 20.—Arrived the Downing Marie. from La
Guayra, and sailed the 20th for Altona; Flying Fish, London,
fo' Newfoundland. Sailed the Elizabeth for 13arcclona.
Ar-
rived off, the Philadelphia, from Philadelphia,
for Bremen;
Cowslip, Bell, Havannah. Sailed the Echo, Gibraltar.
BRISTOL, Atm. 25.—Arrived the Congo, Whitty, from
Africa, and sailed for Bonny 2d June.
MILFORD, AUG. 24.—Arrived the Camilla, Reed, Quebe,,C:.
CARDIFF, AUG. 23.—Arrived the Pilot, Jones, from ‘
michi. Sailed the Elizabeth and Mary Ann, for Ancons'
Talbot, Barcelona.

NEWPORT, AUG. 24.—Arrived the Ringdove, from Quebec'. _
CLYDE, Auc. 24.—Arrived the Speck, from Alexamill°'
Sailed the Tecumseh, for Montreal ; Wave, Bombay.
DUBLIN, Auc. 23.—Sailed the Onyn, for Quebec.
KiNGsrowN, Aua. 24.—Arrived the Bleeze, from Quebec'
Coast. Auc. 23.—Arrived the Hampton, Jeweit, from SL
John's, New Brunswick; Camerton, Cookbon, S. Doming°
Comet, Gilpin. St. John's, New Brunswick.
WATERFORD, AUG. 21.—Arrived the Maxgaret, Trinidad.

VESSELS SPOKEN WITH.-Asia, of Jersey, for Newfound.*
land, 15th inst., lat. 44, lon. 30; Commercial, bound to
Quebec, 20thAlat.'47, lon. 20; William Campbell, Havannabs
bound to Hamburgh, 21st, lat. 48, lon. 14, by the Monkeys
arrived at Falmouth. Margaret, Odessa to Antvcerp, 18th
ult., lat. 35, lon. 20 E. ; Kella, of Exeter, 22d, lat. 36, loci.
14 • William Harris, from Naples, 29th, lat. 38, lon. BE. ;
Sylph, Swansea to Adra, 4th inst., lat. 36, lon. 3 W. ; Grace,
Shields to Constantinople, 6th nist. :lat. 36, lon. 6 ; Mary; Liver'
pool to St. Thomas, 17th, lat. 42, lon. 12 ; Blucher, Liverpool
to Jamaica, lat. 60, lon. 8, by the Mermaid, arrived; at Fal-
mouth. Cartaretta, of Liverpool, lat. 47, lon. lon. 1.4, by the
Lawson, arrived at Scilly. Childers, London to Sy iney, 18th,
ult., lat. 7, lon. 3, by the Rambler, arrived at "Liverpool.
Jessy M'Clew. from St. John's, New Brunswick. Bth hat.,
lat. 44, lon. 57 ; Rockshire, under jury topmasts, I<'6th, lat. 46i
lon. 49 ; Chieftain, Hayti to Cork, by the Hana.,,ton, arrive"
at Cork. Johns and Mary, of Padstow, 15th, lv t. 31, lon. 16,
by the Comet, arrived off ditto. Evenwood, 19f.b, lat. 50, I°l2'
11, by the Bleeze, arrived at Kingstown. William Ash,
London to Quebec, 22d, lat. 48, lon. If ), by. the Mar-
garet, arrived off the Wight. Out% ernenung,
sterdam to Batavia, 10th ult., lat. 3 P,,F.., lon. 23 loci.
25 London to Sydney, 17th nit., lat. 1, !!),y,
h.
25 ; Fortuna, Rotterdam to Villa Nova, 10th ult., off Scilly,
by the Mercator, arrived at Falmo .ith. Eagle, Lime-
rick to Quebec, 31st ult., lat. 46, lon. 55, by the Enterpriser
arrived at Fleetwood. Patriot, Bantry Bay to Montreal, let.
45, lon. 50 ; Pallas, Cork to Quebec, :12th, lat. 48, lon. 26 ;
Deveron of and from Greenock, out seven days, 1at.:49. lon. 20,
by the Pilot, arrived at Cardiff. John Walker, bound to flue'
bee, 29th ult., lat. 46. lat. 56 ; Mearns, of Glasgow, 8111.
lat. 46, lon. 41 ; Chieftain, of Cork, with head of foretol3-
mast gone, 18th, lat. 48, lon. 16; Findon, of Poole, for ditto,
lat. 48, lon. 16, by the Seadrift, arrived in that Downs. Ile'
pulse, London to Bombay, 6th ult., lat. 19 S., long. 30 W.

THE MARKETS.
COUNTRY MARKETS.

Wheat. 4 Barley. Oats. 1 Beans. P"0.
-...---.. --,- .....-.....-.......-........ ......-.-.-"''
Per Quarter. s. to s. 5. to 5. 5. to s. 5. to 1. e. to 51
Bath
Blandford - .....
dridport - 68 - - - -..- -.-. "„,
chard..- 5B 72 28 32 22 26 38 42 40 '''''
Exeter
Gloucester 6O 76 26 32 21 18 40 42 44 49
Guildford
Newbury
..,ge 40Ad
Reading„ 54 81 25 36 10 30 .40 45 38 '
Salisbury 's2 62 27 84 SO 25 140 50 ---. "
I
I
Sherbortie '74 78 28 31 29 83. 44 48 --: .„
SheptonMallet 79 76 32 37 13 'A t 44 50. 42 Ins
Uxbridge 1 - - 37 43 23 26 - -36 --•
Warminster 52 72 30 34 25 28 44 49 - -.
Winchester . ,45 66
iteovil..-.-
LEEDS CORN 31.XRK1 T. _. -
Wheat, Norfolk and Suabik. 601 b.. •.... .......... 691. to 775.1
- York. and Lincoln. 601 b...
Barley, Norfolk and Sullblk ,,,, lO5. to 335. e"
- Yorkshire and Lincolnsittr a .... ........."..... ... 275. tis 315. d
- Grinding '
255. 4.) 225. i 5
Beans 6.3P, 4O:. to 435. 3
Oats, Potatoe ;
-Al eating, For. 12d. to 1,..,d Eng. 12%d. to 13%u. per stone
4helling ..... 305. to 325. per lead

691. t 0775.1
•
30s. tts33s.
•
....... 255. t 223.
40.. to 435. 3
21s. to 265. •
~.Eng. 12%d. to 13%0. per s
load
tone
30J. to 325. per
tN MARKET.
Per Quail ter. s. d. s. d.
Oats 24 0 to 30 0
Beans (per sack) :) 0 64
Flour (per bag) — U 34 a
Bread (nergallon) 1 0
M MARKETS.
1 Per lb.

DEVIZES CO
Per Sack. B. s, d.
eirst Wheat 35 '0 to :6 0
Second 33 0 34
Third
darley r.o 0 35 0
CHELTENHA
Per Bushel. s. d. to s. d.'
Wheat 7 0 3 6 Beef
Barley 3 0 •- 3 9 Mutton . .......
Oats 3 0 3 9 Veal ......... •••••••• .•••••••
Beans .. 5 0 5 4 Pork . 00000000000
Cease 5 0 8 0 Lamb
Hay 41.55. to 41. 10s. Od. per ton.
CANTERBURY MARKET.
Wheat, white--. 795. to 84s. wows,. d on. 'P.A. to--s
7tls• to 80s. woe.. —s• to --1
Barley, Malting 325. to 365. Grnding.. —s. to —s.
Oats
Beans— 33s to 495. —s. to s.
Pease 335. to —s. 395. to —.41.
CHELMSFORD MARKET.
Wheat, White 63 to 81 Oats
Red
Barley 32 35 White
Chevalier Is, 36 Beans, Tick.
Grinding 27 3l Mangan

st
a 1
6 1
6 1
6.
7 9

23 to SO
:39 49
40 a
ss 43
34 "

DENT'S LECTURES ON WATCHES.
AND OTHER TIME-KEEPERS.—An Illustrated Abstract
from TWO LECTURES on the Construction and Manage-
ment of Chronometers, Watches, and Clocks, delivered by Mr.
DENT, ix May, 1841, before the Members of Our United Ser-
vice Institution has been arranged for the information armor"
readers. The Abstract contains a statement of the relays*
merits of English and foreign workmanship, wad an explsasatlou
of the different Escapements, with instructions for the choice,
regulation, and manageir era of all kinds of rinse-keepers. Tbit
Pamphlet is published, by the Author, at No. 82, Strand, prior
One z.hilling, but gratis to customers on application.

PLATE.—A. B. SAVORY and SONS Manu•
facturing Silversmiths, No. 14, Cornhill, Londor., opposite the
Bank of England. The best wrought FIDDLE PATTERN
SILVER SPOONS and FORKS, at 7s. 2d. per ounce. The
following are the weights recommended, hut the articles way
be had lighter or heavier at the same price pet. ounce.
oz. ii. d. A. s•
12 Fiddle Pattern Silver Table Spoons 10 at 7 t... 10 15 0 '
1.2 ditto Dessert ditto... ........ 2O 7 2.... 7 3 4
11 ditto 'table Forks 3O 7 2... 10 15 g
12 ditto Dessert ditto 20 7 2... 7 n 4
2 ditto Gravy Spoons lO 7 2... 3.11 8
1 ditto Soup Ladle le 7 2... 311 8
4 ditto Sauce ditto 10 . 7 P... 316 S
4 ditto Salt Spoons (gilt strong)...... 1 0 0
I ditto Fish Slice
12 ditto Tea Spoons la 7 8... 316 S
!pair ditto Sugar Tongs (strong)......
N. II A Price Current, stamped as a New ,paper, illustrated:
by drawings, and containing every inftwmat ion relative to the
purchase of silver or Sheffield plate, may 'be had en applica-
tion, or will be sent into thecountry, tree or postage, in answer
to a paid letter.
..------.

TABLE CANDLESTICKS, sait.erior tc, Silver
for durability, equal in appearance. Tr.blo candlesticks, 8
inches high, 7s. per pair; 9 inches high, 9s. 10 inches, list
per pair , ditto, with rich shell mounting.s, inches high. -
iss.
per pair; snuffer trays, with shell mouu tie p and chased ceir
tre, 4s. each. The particular metal si. which the° anfrom
great variety of ether articles are mad e, can only.be told
silver by reference to the stamp. Cat slo gues
RIPPON and BURTON, Welly -street, Oxford-street.

T'lheGlradeeynwofieCh:
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wiTlavuye'ronfrtehrecy'Rlelt:
BIRTF:S.
On the 15th ult.,
._ at Spanish-tovrn,
M. Farquharson, Esq., BarriAter.
nearjnrn aic-a
Ipswich,
Perth-
shire, No•-th Britain.
ifrOs.nctlhiearlli?sthHainrst,t.o,f
aatdautugbaeittTerr.afal,gar
mpstead the
M.clOwnn 0
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loii
fni
nsat .5
inst.,
na
a,tWetn e s h a m ,
E. Lampet, Vicar of Great Bardficld, Essex, of a son and heir.
On the '24th inst. at Amen-court, St. Paul's, the wife of
the Rev. W. Jt, of a daughter.

MARR rE D.
deeOnn,
‘tihea
12l i i
aisnt
s ntsatd.
d,
cant, thye E o
antiggarsih
tssoonh apoeflthofe
iSt.at.:ad
joohhnn, Aber-
deen,
of Minden Hall, ssex, to Augusts Maria, youngest
daughter
Lee, Esq., of
W. M. Coe F
, .sq., of Brook-street, Grosvenor-
square.
On the 24th inst., at 'Whitney, Arthur Pryor, Esq., of
spitalfiolds, to Elizabeth Sophia, eldest daughter of Tomkyng
Dew, Esq., of Whitney Court, Herefordshire.
On the 24th inst., at st. Nicholas Church, Mr. John Cain-
pion, ilia, of Park.road, Stockwell, to Catherine, only daugh-
ter of J. Cordy, Eaq., Brighton Lodge, Brighton.
On the 24th inst., at St. John's, Isle of Thanet, the Rev.
Abraham Louis Mi.rtin, 7...'rench Wesleyan minister at. Calais,
to Laura, eldest da.ughttte of the late Jeremiah Le Soutf, jun.,
Esq., United States V.ce-Consul at London.

D lED.
On tho 11th inst.., Edward Grainger, Esq., o'f Twyssop
county Denbigh, at Munich. He was Baron of the German
empire, and resided many years at Munich.
On the 31st inst. , at Leamington, Lady Mad. eod, wife or
Major- Gen( ral Sir -Donald MacLeod, Hon. East ;India Com-
pany's S( rvice. • •
On the 22d inst., Mrs. Plumptre, in Bentir iek-street, Man-
chester-square.
On the 22d inst.,, Margaret, the wife of h .. M. Simons, Esq.,
of Cumberland-ter,:ace, Pentonville„
On the 22d ins t., at St. Peter's, Pori,: Guernsey, the Rev.
Timothy Fysh F. cord-Bowes, Tam,
Biding of Yorksh ire, and ner,hew of the late Ilajor-.Liene al
Foord-Bowes. of Covrlam in tile East

On the 24th inst., A, in,
of Belvedere-ri Law' Beth.Newby, wife of Mr. G. Smitbo
On the 24t1t inst., •
at Richmond, Surrey, Mrs..Lotitea Brad*
bury, aged SP,

iftEIMPIV EMMVOIir
London: klziated and Published by MURDO YOUYG, of
DI!). 112, Strr
,nd, at The Sun Office, No. 112. Styand,in
the e"kt* le . Middlesex, Friday, Alegutt 27, 1841.