The Sun.
London, England, 1841-08-17 00:00:00

bankers for cash advanced upon the letters of credit, were
also proved. . .
Mr. Thos. Derrick stated that he had resided at Fir

rence for some years, and formerly carried on the buss
ness of a banker, in conjunction with Mr. Bogle and Mr.
M-Carthy. The partnership commenced in 1837. First
became acquainted with Bogle in 1835, when he first
went to reside at Florence. He afterwards was a clerk
in the house of a Mr. Johnson. Mr. Cunningham Gra-
ham became acquainted with him in 1835, but did not
know his son, Alex. Graham. After he commenced busi-
ness he was in the habit of seeing Graham from time to
time at the banking-house. The house was one of the
correspondents of Glyn and Co. Knew Mr. Robert
Nicholson, who brought him a letter of Credit from
Messrs. Glyn and Co. Several advances were made
upon it. The first was in November, 1839, and
the second in January, 1840. When the first payment
was made, Mr. Nicholson left the letter of credit with
him, and lie put it into a tin-box which he kept in his
desk in his office. It was not-usual to leave letters of
credit with bankers. Mr. Bogle was aware that he had
the letter. About the end of December. Bogle asked him
for the letter, but did not say what he wanted it for.
He (the witness) asked him whether Nicholson was about
drawing again, and he said lie did not know. Witness
gave him the letter, and he kept it about three hOurs, and
then returned it. Mr. Nicholson had not drawn-upon it
when it was returned. Knew a person who called him-
self the Marquis de Bourbel. Was introduced to him
by Bogle, in March, 1839. The Marquis opened an ac-
count with them. Ile then resided sometimes at Florence
and sometimes at Leghorn. The Marquis left for England
in January, and did not return till April, 1840. Bogle's
room was where the cash was kept and paid, and is
divided by a glass partition. On one occasion, early in
January, lie saw the Marquis in liogle's room : he was
then outside the partition. Witness left the room, and
on his return in about half an hour he was inside the
private room with Bogle. Witness tried to get into the
room, but the door was fastened, and he went away.
Could see throngh the glass door that the Marquis and
Bogle were in close conversation. They remained toge-
ther two or three hours. A person who called himself
the Count de Pendry presented a letter of credit at the
Bank. (Letter produced.) Bogle was in at the time,
and he introduced him to witness. He examined the sig-
nature, and he believed it to be the genuine signature of
Glyn and Co. The Count drew 2001. upon it, and- gave
three bills of exchange for the amount. On the following
day the Count returned with the letter, and requested to
have the bills back upon his returning the two hundred
pounds, and stated as his reason for so doing that the
authenticity of the letter had been doubted, and he ap-
peared very indignant. Heard Mr. M`Carthy say that
the Count had endeavoured to obtain money upon it
from a person of the name of Phillipson, who had doubted
its authenticity. Witness a.gain examined it with other
letters, and still believed it genuine. The 2001. was
returned, and he took up the bills in the Count's pre-
sence. Never saw him after that time. The first he
heard of this conspiracy was from the English Consul.
On the 9th of May he received some documents from
him, and also from Messrs. Oppenheim and Co. respecting
it. Finding thatßogle's name was mentioned in the trans-
actions, IN itness went in search of him. It being after
by,siness hours, 011 a Saturday, found him at his own house
ire then read the documents to him. [The document.
which was a copy of the deposition of a person of the
name of Ireland, was read. The particular portiou al-
luded to was that he (Ireland) had heard young Graham
say that Bogle would easily earn his share (alluding to
the conspiracy), as lie had had but little to do in the
business.] When witness read the document to Bogle
his distress was very great, and it was painful to see him.
He could not recollect precisely what he said, but he
admitted that he was ruined. On the following day
witness, accompanied by Mr. M`Carthy, called upon
Bogle between eleven and twelve o'clock. He was
then in bed. They had a long conversation and he
(Bogle) expressed his determination immediately to
leave the concern, and declared that he would never
enter the bank again. Witness begged of him to
reflect before he took such a step, but he said he
was determined, and desired him to take the keys of
the bank, which he had possession of. On the following
day he saw him again, when a notice of dissolution of
partnership was prepared. Mr. Bogle called at the bank
once after that time. It was on the 23d of May, and he
then said that he had received an order from the police
to leave the kingdom within five days, and requested him
to intercede with the Minister to get an extension of the
time. He believed that Mr. M`Carthy made the applica-
tion, but was not certain. Saw Mr. Bogle again after
that time, and asked him why lie did not go to his
old places of resort, when he replied that he
had not the spirits to do so. Bogle left the
kingdom on the 28th of May, previous to which a
parcel was received at the house, addressed to the
firm, bearing the Algiers post mark. Upon opening it, it
was found to contain only a letter, addressed "A. Bogle,
Esq." (private.) After he left, two other packets, simi-
larly addressed, were received, and each containing en-
closures as before (the letters and enclosures were pro-
produced). Knew M. de Mesumer, a banker at Rome.
Had a conversation with him on the subject of the for-
geries, and showed him the letters he had received. In
consequence of some remarks he made he took the letters
to the English Minister, by whom they were opened.
Was aware that Mr. Graham's family left Florence on
the 29th or 30th of May. Before they left they sent a
quantity of articles to his premises to be taken care of ;
amongst them was a lathe and the machine now pro-
duced. He took no notice of those articles at the
time, but, subsequently, in consequence of a commu-
nication made by a person of the name of Roster,
he was induced to examine the machine, and found it
was an invention for tracing signatures. When Boyle
left he did not say where he was going to.
Cross-examined—H4d visited Cunningham Graham
and his family. Mr. Bogle had the management of the
cash department at the bank. Persons were frequently
in the habit of gossiping there.
lie-examined—Mr. Bogle had the keys of the bank,
and could go there whenever he pleased. When he
was about leaving he asked him why he did not go
through France, when he replied, that he would do so
only he was afraid of being arrested. The letters pro-
duced are certified copies of some letters which he saw
at the Palais de Justice at Paris. Was acquainted with
the Marquis de Bourbel's handwriting. Believed
those letters to have been written by him. He also
knew the handwriting of Cunningham Graham.
Believed that one of the letters he saw there com-
mencing " My dear Alexander" was in his handwriting.
Another letter also, commencing in !the same manner,
he believed to be in the handwriting of the Marquis de
Bourbel.

Sir William Follett proposed to read the letters, in order
;o show that the letters set out in libel were copied from
them.

➢ir.Thesiger objected, and contended that the originals
must be produced.
Sir William Follett said, that the original letters were
in the possession of the officers of one of the Council
Courts of Paris, and it was impossible to obtain them,
and called

Mr. Herrick, who stated that he went to the Palais de
Justice in order to compare the copies of the letter with
the originals, and was told there that it was impossible he
could have the originals.
Mr. Dobree, the solicitor to the defendant, stated that in
August last he went to the Continent, in order to collect
evidence with respect to this action. He went to nearly
all the places where the bankers had been robbed. At
Paris he applied for the originals of the letters produced,
and was informed by the Procureur du Roi and other
officers connected with the Court, that it was impossible
he could have them.

A long and desultory argument ensued, but eventually
The Learned Judge permitted the copies of the letters
to be read, but promised to take a note of Mr. Thesiger's
objection. •
The letters were then read. ' They were addressed to
A. Graham, and related chiefly to the disposal of the
money which should be obtained. One of them con-
chided as follows :—" Pray don't forget to send loot to
the Satirist. Gregory lives at 15, North Audlep-street,.
and we shall be sure then not to be exposed."
Mr. George Timms. an engineer in the employ of
Messrs. Holzapfel and Co., proved that the-machine pro-
duced (which was left in the care of Mr. Kerrick by
Graham) was used for the purpose of taking an exact
copy of a signature.
Cross-examined—lt was also used for copying draw.
ings in an increased or diminished state.
George Turner, clerk to Mr. Hughes, an attorney,
stated that he knew Pipe, who sometimes passed by the
name of Coulson. Was acquainted with his handwrit-
ing. Btlieved the letters produced to be written by him.
These letters were then read. They were letters al-
luded to by Mr. Kerrick, as having been received b
him after Mr. Bogle left Florence. One letter was ad-
dressed "A. Bogle, Esq.," in which were inclosed two
others, one to the " Marquis de Bourbel," and the other
to "C. Smith, Esq." That addressed to the Marquis
in which the writer,
commenced, "My dear 8—..--,',
after describing his journey and his future movements,
expressed his willingness as things had turned out so
bad, to assist him, in order that all the losses should not
fall upon him, and hoped that the other parties concerned
would do the same ; and concluded in these terms :
F".___Keephuaps )s•poluirt
usppoirnityso;ual,
_...1 will
hub,:
shright.hiGm--, says
good. I merely write to say lam safe, and tell )1-'e ll
oiistiliT•
movements." The other letter was in a similar strain.
Mr. Turner then proved that 15 bills of exchange,
which had been
ad-
vanced on letters oferedit,were in the hand-writing of Pipe.
given to various bankers, for money
The evidence taken upon the ditferent commissions was
then read ; they were chiefly the depositions of tlcieva-
rious barkers, who had advanced money upon
Glyn
and
of
credit, all purporting to be signed by
Mriot's towns on the Continent, and were fo l rs'
Co., they were twelve or fourteen in nieirsus sums of 3 m
bteir,ifromvai.
to 8001. The letters of credit
Irilieland
Frederickreecokul:son, Thomas Ireland,rere madeo in favour of.
r Madame Vie-
Edward Guilin,
an engraver, residing in Windmill-
street, that he was em-
ployed' .t. road, stated
Tottenham tout
to execute some engraving fur
During that period he
by the Marquis dif.oßr ohuirnbl,els,
and
dn
cJoinintiuhaureyd-,
ilnB4hOis,
employ for about two
for
him.
The paper now produced
engraved three plates
plates werewas strthueekmftrtonimuitsheaset Eilsaws.
own resi-
dence, shi e-
delivered to
(a letter of credit)
; ent-street. Ile was introduced to
IPe" e who was employed as his (the
the Marquis by
1p
Knew a person of the name of Perry,
Marquis's) clerk..
dence, No. 184, g
a printer,
slips of paper to engrave from.
• who struck some impressions from the plates.
De was given smalld
Neve! saw a letter of credit before
aware of. Was not aware at the
in
he engraved was a letter of cred .it When
time that what
. ti.,'lrisossii-feext
reatilhe was
he finished it he began to think there
was something
wrong.
The latter part of the time he worked at the-
Marquis's residence, as he (the Marquis) did not wish
the work to be seen.
Mr. Saunders, of the firm of Morbey and Co., paper-
makers, George-street, Mansion House, made souie pa-
per, by - Pipe's order, in January, 1840 ; the paper on