The Sun.
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THE SUN, LONDON, FRIDIY, MARCH 12,1841

In answer to an observation from from the Earl of
ABERDEEN,

Lord ROSEBERY said he was not prepared to
state what he thought would be the best guard against
the intrusion of ministers. He did not think that
Bill introduced by his Noble Friend list year was cal-
culated to give satisfaction, but for his own part he
would be ready to co-operate with any of his friends who
endeavoured to settle the question, which was the most
import ant that had agitated Scotland since the Revolution.
Ho thought, however, that at present there was 1 the
prospect of a satisfactory settlement. The Noblc Earl
then presented numbers of petitions against Church
patronage from Fife, Cupar, and other places in Scot-
land.

In answer to the Bishop of EXETER,
The Marquis of NORMANBY said he would now
move for a return of the Letters Patent granted to the
Seminary of St. Nicolay. The papers would be laid
upon the table to-morrow, when they would be printed
and put into their Lordships' hands the next day.
The Returns were ordered accordingly.
The Marquis of NORMANBY presented a peti-
tion from the Society of Rational Religionists, praying
for inquiry into the doctrines. He presented the pe-
tition, because he could not refuse to present one
so respectfully worded ; but he thought the insti-
tution from which it came was mischievous in the ex-
treme, although some of the misguided persons belong-
ing to it might mean well.
The Earl of RIPON inquired when the papers which
ho moved for relating to Persia would be ready ?
Lord NORMANBY—I will see about it —(A
I 'nigh.)
The Bishop of EXETER presented a petition from
Penryn, against idolatry in India.
TITHE COMPENSATION (IRELAND).
On the motion of Lord DUNCANNON the House
went into Committee on the Irish Tithe Compensation
Bill.

Lord GLENGALL suggested some alterations in a
clause relating to notice to be given to persons before
proceeding against them.
Viscount DUNC A N NON considered that the clause
would not have the effect apprehended, as in all cases
due notice must be given before any money could be
levied.

The Earl of WICKLOW approved of the princi-
ple of the Bill, but while they were doing justice to the
clergy they must not do injustice to the laity. He
thought the clause in its operation would be attended
with severity to individuals.
Lord MUNTEAGLE doubted whether the clause
as it stood would not operate very injustly. He thought
that notice should be required before parties were
brought into Court.
Viscount DUNGANNON apprehended that the
clause provided that already.
The Earl of "WICKLOW would not object if that
were the case ; perhaps the Noble Viscount would
reconsider the clause.

The Earl of GLENGALL said that practically
notice would be given. He would suggest that
service should he made by posting notices at the usual
public places of the diocese.
Lord MONTEAGLE suggested that if the clause
were so altered as to prevent the Court making any
order whatever without notice, it would meet all ob-
jections.
After a few words from Lord DUNCANNON, the
Bill passed the Committee without amendments, and
the House resumed : the Biil was reported, and ordered
to be read a third time to-morrow.

COURT OF EXCHEQUER (IRELAND) BILL.

The HOUEO then resolved itself into Committeo. on
this Bill, which passed through Committee without
amendment, and wal ordered to be read a third time
to-mor►ow.

The Bishop of EXETER inquired if there would be
any objection to add to the returns respecting St. Sul
pice a Report of Chief Justice Stewart on the subject ?
The Marquis of NORMAN BY said that it was the
desire of the Government to supply.every information on
the subject, and there would, therefore, be no objection
to the return treationed by the Right Rev. Prelate,
though it was somewhat irregular to produce those of
the legal advisers of the Government.
The Noble MARQUIS then laid on the table the an-
nual return of the table of criminal offenders for 18a9.
The House then Adjourned.

church, Southwark, praying that Southwark, Waterloo,
and Vauxhall Bridges might be thrown open to the
public, and that the means for effecting that object
might be raised by a tax upon coals.
Mr. lIASTIE presented a petition from 4llissent-
ing congregation in Pa'sley, praying for the tot 31 abo-
lition of Church-rates.

Lord JAMES STUART presented a similar peti-
tion from Ayr.
Mr. WARBURTON rose to move " That the
evidence taken before the Committee on petitions for
private Bills relative to the Stafford and Rugby Rail-
way Bill be hid on the table of the House, and
printed." He begged the attention of • the
House, while he stated the facts of the case very
shortly. Two years ago a railway was projected to
pass from Stone to Rugby, and the 10 per cent. deposit
required by the Standing Orders was made. The Ses-
sion having closed without the B 11 having passed, the
deposit was taken from the Exchequer and lodged in a
bank at Manchester—during 1840 that deposit re-
mained untouched. In the beginning of 1841 a new
proposition was made—it was to make the railway from
Stafford to Rugby—a petition for which was now before
the Have. When this plan was first agitated, a meet-
ing was held of the old and new proprietors, an agree-
ment was come to, and a deed prepared and executed.
The 10 per cent. paid into the Bank of Manchester was
to be the fund out of which the 10 per cent. of the
new Company was to be subscribed. All the Share-
holders of the old Company who did not think
proper to join the new one were to receive back
(after the account; were audited) the 10 per cent. they
had deposited, deducting the paymeat of expenses.
But all the Shareholders of the old Companies who be-
came Shareholders of the new were liable at a future
period to the Directors of the old Company,
who had advanced the sum necessary for the
current expenses of the undertaking. They were
liable personally to pay back their proportion of
these expenses, amounting to something more than 50
per cent. on the amount of the deposit. The provi-
sional Directors of the old Company basing made
that arrangement, gave the Shareholders, who
joined the New Company, a draft for the full amount
of their shares, and they paid their drafts into the Bank
of Manchester, on behalf of the New Company. Now
although the standing orders say that a deposit of 10 per
ccnt.was to be paid,and that three-fourths of the subscrib-
ers should have paid theirshares on such deposits,yet they
did not lay down any rule that the shareholders should
not borrow the money for so doing. Under these cir-
cumstances he,thought it exceedingly desirable, in order
that the Hoese might understand the working of the
Standing Orders, that the evidence taken before the
Select Committee be printed.
Mr. R. PALMER having been a Member of that
Committee, was anxious to offer a few observations to
the House. The only ground on which he thought it
necessary to print the evidence was that the Hon.
Gentleman had stated the facts so fully and clearly,
that the printing of the evidence would add
very little to their information.—(Hear, hear.) The
Hon. Member then entered into some details
connected with the proceedings of the Committee, but
he spoke in so low a tone of voice that his observa-
tions were inaudible in the gallery.
Mr. GREENE suggested that the words, minutes,
and proceedings be inserted in the original motion.
Mr. LABOUCHERE trusted that his Hon. Friend
would not ask the House to depart from the
usual coarse adopted in cases of this kind.
Unless some very special reasons were assigned for a
departure from the usual course, he (Mr. Labouchere)
would think it his duty to oppose any attempt at such
a proceeding.
Mr. WARBURTON intimated that he should, for
the present, withdraw the motion, but that he should
bring it forward at another time in a different form.
The motion was then withdrawn. _ _

Mr. GROTE gave notice that he should postponr,
from March 23, to Thursday, March 25, his motion on
the subject of the landed funds of the colony of New
South Wales.

Mr. PAKINGTON gave notice that he would,
on Thursday, March 25, call tie attention of dui
House to the state of the colony of Nefoundland.
Mr. HAWES gave notice that he should to-morrow,
in Committee on the East India Rum, move the omis-
sion of parts of several clauses.

Mr. EWART postponed his motion with respect to
the Hanwell Asylum, and gave notice of his intention
to move for a genertil inquiry into the subject.
On the motion of Mr. HAWES, leave of absence
was given to Mr Charles Buller to attend the Circuit.

On the motion of Mr. WYS tL, leave of absence was
given to Sir Montague Chapman on account of severe

Mr. YRYME moved the discharge of the order for
certain returns relative to Special Jurors.
Sir It. PEEL observel that, as it was now an order
.of the House, some reasons ought to be given for its
discharge.
Mr. PRYME said his reason for moving for the dis-
charge of the..order was, that ho did not wish to oc-
cupy the time of the House unnecessarily. He had
moved at the close of the last Session for certain re-
turns, and at the time the order was made, those re-
turns were net printed. They had Leen since, and he
now found that .they were sufficient for all the purposes
required.
IRISH REGISTRATION BILL.

Lord STANLEY then roLe and said, Sir, I will
now redeem the pledge which I gave on a former occa-
sion, that within ashort time from the day for which the
Order of the Day for the se and reading of the
Registration of Vcters (Ireland) Bill stood fixed,
1 would state to the House the course which
it was my intention to pursue with respect to
it. Sir, I have taken time to corsi,ler the matter
in all its bearings ; and ray only object being to place
that Bill in the most favourable situation for ultimately
passing this House and becoming the law of the land, I
believe I best consult that object by removing any
prejudice that might arise from the fact that- a sinAl
majority of the House have confirmed the principle of
the Bill of the Noble Lard the Secretary for Ire-
land, and I shall therefore move- that the
order be read for the purpose of postponement, my in-
tention being to postpone that Bill from the 24th of
March to Wednesday, the 28th of April, in full confi-
dence that on the 23d of April, the day for which the
Government have now fixed their Bill, they will, without
fail, proceed to the discussion of that Bill in Commit-
tee, and enable the House to pronounce upon the lead-
ing provisions of that Bill. The Noble Lord said, I
may also take this opportunity of putting a question to
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, as I see him in his
place, in thc absence of the Noble Lord the Secre-
tary for the Colonies, who has givon notice that it is
his intention to go into a Committee of the whole
House on Monday next, in reference to the Acts re-
lating to South Australia. Perhaps the Chancellor of
the Exchequer is now prepared to state td the House
what it is the intention of the Government to move on
that occasion, as the mere fact of the House going into
Committee on the Acts relating to South Australia is
not a sufficient notice, particularly if it be intended
to bring forward a motion for a 'grant of public money.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—
The best way would be to giro notice of the resolu-
tion to-morrow.

Sir R. PEEL—WiII the motion take precedence on
Monday ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—
Yes.

SCIENTIFIC INSTITUTIONS FOR THE
WORKING CLASSES.

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Mr. GILLON Cleo rose to move—" Tilat this
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stating
gthube
atmthleriekde
Ildrers ba
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voted, by yiutitto her
nates
for the year 1840 41, the following sums—for the Uni-
versities of Oxford and Cambridge 2,000/., University
of St. Andrew's 1,009/. 13s. 4d., King's and Ma-
rischal Colleges, Aberdeen, 1,974/. Os. Bd., University
of Glasgow 1,3601., University of Edinburgh, 2.,580/.,
Royal Society of Edinburgh 300/., Royal Irish Aca-
demy 3001, Royal Hibernian Academy 3001., Royal
Dublin Society 5,3001., Belfast Academical Institution
1,950/, in addition to various privileges and advan-
tages enjoyed by various learned societies. To
represent that while considerable sums are voted
for the higher branches of' education, in the
benefits of which the higher, and a portion of
the middle classes participate, her Majesty will be
pleated to take into consideration the great benefit that
would result to the working Classes if some assis-
tance, such as her Majesty
might deem best, were
afforded, in populous towns, towatds the support of
museums of natural history and works of art, and to-
wards the maintenance of Schools of Art, in such man-
ner as would aid the efforts of the community in the
prosecution of these objects ; and to assure her Majesty
that this House will make provision for such assistance
as her Majesty may be graciously pleased to direct."
In doing so he begged the indulgence of the House, for
it was a question of the utmost importance to the well-
being and welfare of the working classes. His attention
was first called to the subject by an application for as-
si!tance, which had been made from the School of Arts
in Edinburgh. It would be a most gracious act on the
part of the House togrant money' to such institutions, inas-
much as the Royal Society and tile College of Edinburgh,
which were for the improvement of the higher. classes,
were supported by assistance from the 1)uulle purse.
Education of the, Privy Council, but they said
Application had first been made to the Committee on
, were not
there were no fuds under their . control from
which they could give any assistance. The
House ought to consider the propriety of carrying
on the education of the people Oiler they left school,
and when the energies of the mind became invigorated.
The object of the institutions now in existence, and
which he wished to see supported by nation
solely the improvement of the mechanic.
in that particular
line of business to which his attention was daily directed ;
by his labour a
gitrcwa,itisernocituatioltietnyaobfls
glim
oiodsttoo wing to
the inn;kt, hut.
the great object was to afford to the labouring man a
wholesome instructive occupation during his hours of

leisure. The Hon, Gentleman then rem. an extract
from an address by Mr. Hugo Reid, the brother of Dr.
Reid, to whom Hon. Members were so much indebted
for their comfort in that House, in support of his views,
and also some remarks made by the President of the
Edinburgh School of Arts on the opening of that insti-
tution in October last, in which the principle of giving
the labouring classes information on matters connected
with the various departments_ of trade was dwelt
upon. He contended that the instruction of the la-
bouring classes of the population of that country would
elevate the moral standard in their minds, and was a
subject worthy the most earnest consideration of that
House. He thought they would much better
discharge their duty to the public, if, instead
of wasting their time in the party warfare in which
they had consumed the last three or four Sessions, and
thereby impeding the course of useful Legislation in
that House, by which they had brought their meeting
considerably into contempt—he thought they would
much better discharge their duty, if they devoted a
portion of their time to the practical and moral im-
provement of the people, by removing the restrictions
to free trade, and giving to all God's creatures the
benefits of a moral and intellectual education.
He would beg leave to call the attention of the House
to different votes in the estimates of last Session, for
the purpose of showing how other claims on the Legis-
lature were provided for. They had voted large sums
for the Universities of Oxford, Cambridge, and Dub-
lin ; and they had voted sums for public museums, and
for pictures in the National Gallery, 2,410/. They
had voted for the support of captured negroes
25,000/. ; for negro education 30,000/., and for
the negro expedition 61,263/. Now while they
were ready to vote such large sums for the negro
population, they should not forget so vast, intel-
ligent, and energetic a class as their own labourers.
For convicts at home and in the colonies they had
voted a sum of 73,000/. ; for convicts in New South
Wales and Van Diemen's Land a sum of
235,000/. ; for the correction of juvenile offenders
a sum of 5,807/. ; and for the inspecting of prisons
a sum of 5,900/. While they bad voted such a
sum for the punishment of crime, it would be but
a wise and wholesome system of economy to give
the means which eductation offered for the im-
provement and amelioration of the humbler classes.
It was a duty incumbent upon the House not to neg-
lect the education of the great body of the people, who
were the great and broad basis on which rested the
welfare of the country. He thought they were
pushing their benevolence too far when they relieved
the wants of the negro population, and left a
moral: wilderness at home. Another reason for
asking for this assistance for the public was,
a fear that the difficulties under which the
labouring population . at present were, prevented
there from deriving many of the benefits of these insti-
tutions, added to which the institutions were crip-
pled for want of funds, and many of their be-
nefits, instead of being conferred on the poorer
classes, were received by the middle classes.
If assistance could be afforded to these valuable insti-
tutions, enabling them to defray the rent of the pre-
mises which they occupiel, or the interest of
the debt which they had incurred in their erec-
tion, it would confer great benefit upon the
labouring population of this country. It appeared
to him that the small and paltry sum which was annu-
ally voted for carrying on the education of the juvenile
part of our population stopped at a very important point.
Provision was made for the education of the young, but
nothing was done to complete the work which was thus
begun ; they were not encouraged and supported in
those works of taste and those ennobling pursuits
which would make them better men, better citizens,
' and better members of the great social community. Yet
who had so good a right to such assistance ? Who was it
that bore the public burdens? Who was it that paid
the forty millions of taxes which were annually levied
upon the people of this country ? It was the labouring
population who supported the burdens of the country,
who maintained the national superiority, who both
manned and supported our fleets and armies,
and to whose industry, enterprise, and skill
we were indebted for our domestic comforts
and commercial prosperity. Believing that this class
were pre-eminently worthy of the attention of the
Legislature, he sincerely hoped that the House would
agree to his motion.
Mr. HASTIE seconded the motion.

Mr. LABOUCHERE said, it was unnecessary
for him to assure the Honourable Gentleman on the
opposite side of the House, that he felt the full
importance of the subject which had been so ably
brought under their notice.—(Hear, hear.) He was
perfectly aware that a knowledge of art was of the
utmost importance to the stability of the manufacturing
prosperity of the country—on every ground, both pol -
tieelly and commercially,, it was the duty of the House
to promote the education of the people. These were his
opinions ; but at the same time he entertained the-
strongest objection to the motion, worded as it was. It
was a most important question, but because it w as so
it ought to stand upon its own merits. Those compa-
risons of what was done for one class and what for an-
other were injudicious to say the least of them, and the
Hon. Gentleman by drawing them put the question,
which he had made his own, upon a very wrong principle.
Bsth subjects were most important, but each ought
to he considered and decided upon their own merits,
and without any invidious distinctions being drawn.
He should decidedly object to the motion as it stood,
and ho trusted that the Honourable Gentleman
would consider that his object would be
as well accomplished by being .left in the
hands of the Government. They were fully alive
to the importance of the question ; they had done all
in their power to attain the object of diffusing
education all over the country, but if the House
were to interfere it would only cause fahe
hopes of assistance, and so tend to paralyse private
benefactions towards such institutions as had been allu-
ded to. The Government were aware this country did
present a 'most disadvantageous and discreditable con-
trast to other countries, in relation to schools of art.
Very recently a beginning had been made, and he
trusted a good beginning, which at no distant period
would be attended with the most beneficial rsulls ;
at the same time be must say, although it was very
well to spend money in encouraging a taste
for the knowledge of art and science, yet, unless care
was takes that that money was expended upon a
good system, they might run the risk of doing no
good whatever. The firht thing, therefore, was to act
upon a sure and definite principle, and to adopt some
system by which they might be assured the money
would not be thrown away. Two or three
years ago, in consequence of the recommenda-
tion of his Noble Friend Lord Sydcaham
a School of Design was established. The subject had
engrossed the attention of many eminent men, and he
believed Schools of Design had been productive of
much good. Masters had been provided to
instruct the pupils at a cheap rate in those branches
of art, which applied more particularly to manufactures.
The number of pupils in those schools had considerably
increased within the three years they had been esta-
blished. Three years was certainly a, short period for
producing any very great effect, but he had no hesita-
tion in saying, from what he knew of that school
of design that the pupils had *heady attained very great
proficiency, and he had no doubt that it would become a
nucleus from which very important benefits would be de-
rived. They had been enabled to to give them masters
taught at their own schools, and they had gone upon a
principle which they thought was a very desirable one to
be established, namely, that hereafter they insisted that
all the regular current expenses of the schools
should be defrayed by local subscriptions. Be-
cause if the Government was called upon to pay
the currant expenses over which they had no
control, they would lay a very heavy charge
upon the public, without any commensurate bene-
fit.—(Hear, hear.) But the assistance afforded to
central schools was of a very different character, and at
the same time afforded great benefit to the local
schools. They were now publishing elemen-
tary works on the subject of the various de-
partments of art and manufactures throughout the
country, which had done much good. That was
going on to some extent atpresent. Another way in
which they might afford very important benefits to these
schools, was to form a collection from all parts of
Europe of models from which casts might be taken,
and distributed at a cheap rate throughout the
country. Ho trusted that was an object which would
oe carried into effect in a short time.—(Hear, he sr.)
He could assure the House that the attention of the
Government and the school of design would
he directed to the subject.—(Hear, hear.) They
had already taken some steps towards improving
the present state of things, and they would
always he ready to adopt such further proceed-
ings as they might think expedient. When they
found such a course practicable they might
come down unhesitatingly to Parliament for a vote, for
he was assured that they were too sensible of the value
of a wise and liberal policy, not to know that as the re-
presentatives of a commercial and manufacturing country
they were consulting its best interests, by supplying
with a liberl hand the means of carrying into effect
such an important object as the improvement of the
working classes. He thought, however, that the pro-
position then before the House would be unnecessary
and superfluous.
Sir R. PEEL said that he had received a letter
from a gentleman on the subject of a School of Design
in that city, to which he would briefly direct the atten-
tion of the House. The application made to him was
founded on the circumstance, that 20 years ago, he had
been a subscriber to the School of Arts in the same
city. If it were necessary to advance a suns of public
money for the encouragement of a School of Design in
Edinburgh, he should have no objection to such a vote ;
but ho should say that, considering the opulence and
prosperity of that city—considering its just claim to be
at the head of science in Scotland, and the promoter of
the liberal art?, he ceuld not hut entertain a sanguine
hope that the affluent in Edinburgh, would contribute
from their own fund, whatever might be wanted for tho
piurploo. The 'tight 1-10. Gentleman then read a

letter from a gentleman in Elinhurgle in which it was r
st steel, that the School of Arts there hal been of the
greatest use in enabling students to obtain a knowledge
of the sciences, which might be useful to them in life,
and that the school was numerously attended not
only by boys, but by mea of . mature years,
who were instructed in their different trades.
When he stated that his correspondent was Mr. Hope,
who filled one of the highest offices at the bar in Scot-
land, he was sure it would meet with the greatest atten-
tion. He agreed with the Right Hon. Gentlernal that
it was incumbent on the House to consider the condition
of the great population of this country, to bear in mind.
what was going on in foreign countries, and not to let
this country be behindhand with them in so great a
work.--( Hear, hear.) With reference to the popula-
tion of large towns he thought that they could not take
any measure which would contribute more to peace and
order, or lay the foundation for loyalty and attachment
to the State, than that of providing for the population
of the country not only food for the mind but the means
of relaxation from the labours in which they were en-
gaged, by permitting them to enjoy fresh air and exercise,
and to participate in these manly sports which formerly
were the pride of the country.—( Hear, hear.) For his
own part he would most cheerfully provide, by a vote of
public money, the means of setting apart a space near
large towns for the purpose of the recreation of the
working classes. The House, by adopting that course,
would show to the labourers that amid their contentions
they did not disregard the interest and welfare of the pcor.
He could not conceive a wiser application of public
money than that, and he hoped that the exarnpie set by
the Legislature would be followed by the rich and in-
fluential classes who had derived their property from
the labour of the artisan. He trusted that they would
come forward and supply the means for so desirable an
object. He had heard with great satisfaction that a
measure had been introduced' for the purpose of con-
tributing to the welfare and the enjoyment of the la-
bouring classes. It might be very well to leave
these great classes in the enjoyment o f sensual indul-
gence, and to the influence of low and degrading habits
—it might be very well to charge persons with en-
couraging infidelity and irreligion.—(Hear, hear.) His
firm belief was that they were encouraging not merely '
morality, but that they were encouraging the
Christian religion when they rescued them from
debasing habits, when they tried to convince the work.
ing classes of this country that science was not exclu-
sively
confined to the rich, when they showed that they
had confidence in them, and did. not suppose that by
admitting them to participate in the advantages of sci-
ence you prepared their minds to be perverted from
religion. Compare the evils of leaving them as they
were left now to the influence of low and degrading
vices without any means whatever of occupation, and of
giving them access to good pursuits, and thus prevent.
ing them from having recourse to bad ones, and then
let any man decide whether it was right to give to the
working classes of this country the means of improve-
ment in the arts and sciences of this country, from
which they derived the means of subsistence, instead
of leaving them to the evil influences to which he hail
referred. Having been a subscriber to that institution
20 years ago he had proved at least that his opinions
were consistent and uniforne.—(Hear, hear.) He en-
tirely agreed with the Right Hon. Gentleman that it
would be of the greatest importance to collect from all
countries models of the inventions for which these coun-
tries were justly celebrated. They did very great injustice
to the ingenuity of other countries when they fancied
that they had same exclusive monopoly of mechanical
inventions. It was just the reverse. The capitals of
other countries showed a most skilful adaptation of
machinery to manufactures, and the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman would find in the records of the Board of Trade
a letter addressed by himself to the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman (Mr. Poulett Thomson) four or five years
since, earnestly recommending that measures should
be taken, through our diplomatic agents in foreign
countries, and by application of the public funds, for
the purpose of collecting models. He recollected
sending to Mr. P. Thomson a letter of Mr. Richards,
a great manufacturer at Birmingham. who had travel-
led i❑ all parts of Europe, and who was exceedingly
struck with the models which he had met with. The
chief objection felt by the Right Hon. Gentleman
with respect to these models arose from the dif-
ficulty of providing any room in London for
their reception and for their proper examination.
He felt convinced from what passed that if there
were any objections to the particular form of the
Hon. Gentleman's motion, there were none whatevsr
to the principle on which that motion was founded.
They should recollect—many of them at least—from
what sources their own fortunes were derived.—(Hear,
hear.) The inferior classes ought to be furnished
with the means of acquiring perfectly rational informa-
tion. He (Sir R. Peel) insisted, in' every institution
with which he was connected, that the education should
be conducted in conformity with the principles of the
Church of England. He made that a condition for the
admission of children in all those schools, and he thought
it a just conditio❑ ; but the.consequence was that boys,
when they arrived at thirteen or fourteen years of age,
were turned out of the schools in great !mashers. He
would suggest then, that a reading-room should be
established in each locality, and that precautions should
be taken that whatever means of knowledge should
be afforded to the working classes they should not be
capable of being perverted to a bad purpose.
Mr. LABOUCHERE thought that the establish-
ment of central schools would be attended with great
benefit, as furnishing the means, by their local aelvan-
rages, of normal schools being founded in each particular
district.

Mr. E WART said that the speech of the Right
Hon. Baronet would have a useful moral effect on the
country. He was glad to see the recommendations of the
Committee, of which he and the Right Hon. Baronet
had been members, adopted by the Government. He
now rose principally to call the attention of the Presi-
dent of the Board of Trade to a sugge,fon of the
Committee relating to the conversion of the central
School of Dcsign into a normal school, upon the prin-
ciples- stated in the memoir of Mr. Dyce, the rector of
that school. He was convinced that these principics
would ultimately prevail. lie was sure they were
sound ones, and that any expense incurred in the taking
of these casts would he amply repaid, not only in a
commercial point of view, but also in the increased en-
lightenment and intelligence of the people. He believed
that by creating schools of design, circulating casts and
works of art, it would be found that, so far from there
being any inaptness far works of art on the part of the
people, they were capable of speedily rivading any other
nation.

Mr. WILLIAMS was gratified to find that the
Right Hon. Gentleman (the President of the Board of
Trade) had taken so favourable and judicious a view
of the subject. There was evidently a great anxiety
on the part of the people to improve themselves in these
departments, for in the schools of art at Somsrset House
there were not less than 500 pupils, and in the school
at Spitalfields, which had not been more than three
months established, there were already a considerable
number. It appeared to him that the great towns
ought to contribute to the support. of these Schools of
Design, and if the Government would only advance
1,0001. for the establishment of schools in the four
principal seats of these manufactures, raenely, Man-
chester, Glasgow, Coventry, and Norwich—(Much
laughter)—they would confer very important benefits
upon the people. The advance of manufactures in
France and Prussia was entirely owing to the esta-
blishment of Schools of Design in the various manu-
facturing districts of these countries.
Mr. WAK LEY felt bound to put in his claim for
Finsbury, if there was to be any grant of the public
money.—(A laugh.) But was there to be any money ?
There had been a most interesting conversation, there
had been a most admirable—a noble and most philan-
thropic speech-e-from the Right Hon. Baronet—(He7.ir,
hear)—a speech which would give delight to millions of
his countrymen—a speech which the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet would be reminded of when he changed his posi-
tion—(A laugh)—when he would have full power to
carry out his noble views. But what would the Go-
vernment think of this to-morrow—or would they think
of it at all ? He thought not. They had enough on
their minds at present—enough to do to maintain their
position, to ward off the heavy blows aimed at them by
the Gentlemen opposi:e, and in the struggle they would
foilget what was intended for the people by the motion
of his Hon. Friend. The people wanted money—(A
laugh)—and money they must have ; they would no
longer put up with kindly expressions of sentiment on
the part of Hon. Members. Now, the question was,
would they get any money ? He thought not. Now,
why was this ? He would ask, was it not a matter of
importance that the people should be instructed and
amused ? Was it not rational that.such a motion as that
of his Hon. Friend should be made—was it irrational
to expect that it would be negatived ? He hoped it
would not be. He would beg his Hon. Friend to with-
draw his motion, not to run the chance of its being ne-
gatived, and let him introduce it again ; let it be free
from all invidiousness, let it be a simple proposition of
voting a cort&n sum of public money for public purposes.
He had occasion to mix much with the working classes,
and he very frequently heard them-complain of the vole
of 70,000/. for the stables at Windsor. He heard that
complaint almost every day of his life, and generally
put in contrast with the miserable vote of 30,000/. for
the education of the people. It was the ceuse of great
discontent out of the House, and was the means of
creating much indigoation in the breasts of the people
towards the Houses of Parliament. He had been at a
large meeting that morning, where the working classes
were very numerous ; the question put to them was,
whether they should petition the House against the
Poor-laws, and the language they held was this—" Why
should we petition the House?--it does not represest
us, and there is nothing but class legislation ; the House
of Commons! We despise and hate it ; they tyrannise
over us ; we will not petition." Now, was not that
dangerous language to be constantly in the mouths of
the people? The Right Hon. Baronet and the Right
;lon. Gentleman seemed now willing to vote the
olontl,y, and he tensed that it was not too late, He
hoped that his Hon. Friend would consent to with-
draw his ;notice, fO'r the isurpole intrtiduoing it in

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be
another shape ; and, after what had taken place' -
had no doubt he would effect hi.: object.
Sir It. PEEL—As the Hon. Gentleman had told
nun that he would he reminded of his speech of that
night, he wished that there should be no mistake inr°all
the matter. -What he had said was, that in his oeit.
dependeece ought to be placed upon local el
Lion. non. He would only remind those who made ingai
cent promises and eloquent speeches in favour of t 7
poor, that they need not wait thi they put their a
" 1)21.0
in the public purse. The Hon. Gentleman O
friends might apply themselves to fulfil their own Pre'
dictions by voluntary contribution.—( Laughter.) j
Mr. HUME—If the Right Hon. Baronet intend%
to allude to his friends around him, he could atsart
him that they had not been backward upon the suktecj
—(He ir, hear.) He would entreat his Horn Fuct°ii
to withraw his motion, for it would not be Well Eh°. t
th,s,
should be negativod. He could not help taking
opportunity of offering publicly his toanks for t,.
course which the Right Hon. Gentleman had pursoeat
He hoped that he would look with perfect. re(3atri°3ll3to
and disregard on every attempt which was maw- I
misconstrue his really benevolent and useful intentiool;
He was found to say, that in his conversAions wit(
the Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Presldclit°
the Board of Trade, their difficulty had been, not 09
the propriety of affording means, but how to aff°l.'
them without preventing private individuals from ,c°;
firming their support. No later than last Session, D°l
those individuals had assured him, that if any lad
could be adopted for placing institutions 'upon a
rki -fog
footing, and providing for the education of the w`
be
they would be prepared to support till;
and as his Honourable Friend had spoken ef
70,0004 voted for the stables, whilst et'-,1
to teao.
objects were neglected, he beeged
him that 15,0001. had been expended by the Gavteiorp,
ment, in order to give that opportunity fur recrea- Ago
which was so essential to mechanics and to
lived in the crowded parts of the metropol:s.--(tit
hear.) He was bound to say, that the Ge',"cg,Trot
had shown every disposition to provide holt"—, or
creation for the public. Hampton Court. when -rqbt
pleted, would hold out a collection which EuroVaih-0.5
be challenged to equal. He (Mr. Hume) would :-108
obtalato,
to appeal to the House for the purpose of
admission for the public to the national °0
meets in Westriainsler Abbey, which, to the ghree.
those
ao,
discredit of the parries concerned, had so 100 g "bet
secluded from the public eye. He hoped that or
Majesty's Ministers would also accede to the Ott,.
pliestion ,iiieii had been made to them bY
populous district of the Tower Hamlets with roll
providing for the recreation of the people. , notes
highly important that enclosures of five or S'S
110
should be made for the amusement of the P°°l...tetal
trusted that the general expression of desire to
to the comforts, and he would say, to the huala;
of the classes who had hitherto been 50 let tiO,
glected, would lead to the adoption of some Porleosit
measures for their benefit.—(Loud cries of
hear.") He could not hear any allusion to the P-000
collections without recalling the time when it wasrold
that they could not trust Englishmen as tbel;is(l'
foreigners. They could now look back to tint 9;00
At present 25,000 persons could pass through 8 ih-ecol'..
dwelling on one day without the least injury
lection. He would only say in conclusion, thati;
step that might be adopted, it was most desirtn,
the public money should not be applied tevc°'''''e tir
current expenses, which, in his opinion, should b
vided for out of other sources. , gtel'
Mr. GILLON replied. He had heard olt,l,,potli
pleasure the opinions o.f the Right lion.
the Member for Taaaworth, and he could aotirbooll
that although lie withdrew his motion now, gist!
take another opportunity, in the course of the Scss-
reminding him of his statements.

The motion was then withdrawn.
COLONIAL LABOURERS. ;JO
Mr. MACKINNON then rose for A ;.', If
Committee to ascertain the expediettiocmuovfede,:Pde
bour_ers into the colonies of Great Bryitain 50(1,/,,";r Oa:
prideue;es. It was not his intention to adu—rasber
House at any length, but he thought ittvarolslan:teloo 1
on the Government to come to some
the subjsct. If they considered dee
the
vast territerlfbet
Guiana as compared with Jamaica and some °I thew°ol4
colonies of this country, he thought the 0°166 otoit
agree with him that the present was a most i0Poio;
question, and he must say that he found some ft, be
the Government for the manner in which tilv: tito
treated it. If the Government wished the hllP°„",lstgliti
of Hill Coolies into their West India possessl°,,-0 °li.
not adopt some legislative measure icii. the Purctis6e,'
showing what their intentions were. He w°tl36e-Peubsoli
something ought to be done, but he thought
opinion in Great Britain should be consulted beibripseo
legislative enactment took place. If anythiog ccffierto/
him of this it was the conflicting statetnents CI "is. etl°,l:
Secretaries of State. A decided discrepaneYe.cits-oti bra
the subject between several of the functions:lr' Sob
Majesty's Government, and he thought that the/0011
Lord opposite (Lord J. Russell), or 'any ether a $ P
of the
on thethis Government, had sufficient time to prep tr
subject which would be satisfactorY
bi
country. 0 00
An HON. MEMBER here moved that the A.°oool'
counted, when there being only 24 Members kP
the House adjoorred at Half-past Seven oCl°°-.

RUSSIA. St fr
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RUSSIAN FRONTIER, FEB. 2.—Accounts fleaernlo4,
tersburgh give reason to fear that the Russian ,oral al iro
will be obliged to contract a new loan. As the '33% $t l'iale
ag
of this necessity, are assigned the expeditions •'slhiel fit es'
and Circassia, the equ;pment of the fleet both la at tloaisa
and the Baltic, the erection of many new builclieg% jae[eo
pence of the Treasury; such as the palace in 'd pacit'ioo
burgh and Moscow ; the marriage of the Gra° oleo.
Maria; the journeys of the Imperial Family ; thee van 00
Of trade, particularly in Moscow, where there ha°biakh,er,ool
short time above two hundred bankruptcies ; lh-e.031/15, idi
in the last two years ; file great and expensive a.';', Di -cce
troops, and lastly, the large levies of recrtortlare. ther.l
numerous hands have been withdrawn from agri° ire' 8; '
sidering, however, the immense resources of the Mal's. 00,4.
is no doubt that the finances will soon be in a he,t'.,°,oorek
only peace is preserved, of which there is every 0,4150011
bability. The Emperor is very active, and does la oil
remedy the general distress. half ,46,
The plague has appeared in a Circassian villaP'a a 5?1 tr,
journey from the Jerek, which may perhaps oceas.rt s, salLaer,
sion of the Russian operations in that quarter. 6saatr,loo:
the Emperor has expressed a wish that instead of g P`e,olo'
mont, who has been recalled, a military character °oil"'
as Austrian Ambassador; it is added that Major- es 0°
L'Urbria is expected at Petersburgh, which niallesc,ool,
that he is intended to represent Austria at the Russianss 90 lois:
differences with France arising out of the EPP sae pl'
having caused fears of an interruption of Peace'aslt 'l'oll
Cabinet applied to the Swedish Government to, -0004,
would do in case of war. It answered that the .'lltipaoP0;910)
country, the interests of al its subjects, and ,th: 'I go";
prosperity prescribed strict neutrality ; but ta.tisliofreole
means were adoated—for instance, if the trantlal id pot
were menaced by a war of propagandism—it ir°4
to take measures for a vigorous defence. .4,10
s. l.,
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daughter of C. A. Mylius, Esq., her Majesty'i '-''N' .60
sioncr, Seychelle Islands. f the 13c010th
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Vice-Consul, John Gallagher, EE Al Dof ArequlP liter
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Archibald Robertson, Esq., of Chatham, Kent'. ..,00,
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F. K. Holloway, Esq. of Marchwood House, new• 5-:.,,ik.e1,11,
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