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sales in local securities, where they must be exposed to r On the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair, --V; ss...'--e'ea,.,--' -- "e
the chances of any political convulsions which might arise. '\
Ilr. GLADSTONE again pressed upon the NOlie `; t4' ,"- . ~,,sa'
The consequences of this measure must be productive of I Lord the propriety of postponing the Bill, if net, be 'VI", ~. -4,ses"
great injustice to the Church of England. The Bishop I would be met with a general discussion upon the ieit • so': ss -i•i:c
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of Toronto said the whole property would produce 600,0001. i occasion of going into Committee upon it,—( Criss ' ' -es z
—Capt Pringle, 1,000,000/. The highest inccmc that !of Go on.")
could, therefore, be hoped for from it, would be 15,0001. \ The House then went into Committee, Mr. Bernal
per annum. The Bishop of Montreal had stated that in 'in the Chair.
two different tracts, one of sixty miles and another of 1 Mr. GOULBURN said he intended to propose some
fifty miles, there was not a single clergyman, and that 180 i amendments to clause 1, but he was no, then prepared
clergyman would be required for the spiritual destitution with them. Would the Noble Lord consent to postpone
of the Canadas at present. The provision proposed was it at present ?
utterly insufficient for the present wants of Canada, and Mr. /I UM E wished to know why the Chapter in
they were bound also to provide for the prospective wants Christchurch in Oxford, had been excluded from the Bill.
of the colonies, and the highest amount they could hope Lord J. RUSSELL said it was because of the pecu•
to get from the sale of these reserves was inadequate to the liar manner in which it was connected with the Univer.
present wants of Canada. The Members of the Church city. It was a college as well as a cathedral.
of England at present in Canada amounted to 80,000, Mr. A G LIONBY said the reason given fcr the exclu-
while all the Presbyterians only amounted to 70,000. sion of Christchurch was not a good one. He believed
Such a provision, therefore was unjust, in dividing halt of that the power of Christchurch had more to do with it than
the fund equally between two,—all the other sects, in- anything else.
eluding Methodists and Roman Catholics were to be pro- Sir R. INGLIS said it was to be considered that the
vided for out of the other half, and among these sects college being also a cathedral obtained its property in the
were all sorts of denominations, including every sect of former character. Ile had a very decided objection to the
wild error that could be conceived, at the will of the Go- Bill, and would take the sense of the House upon it in a
vernor. Now he wished to know if all those sects were future stage. He would not, therefore, object to the
to have a slice. All these sects were collectively inferior in clause, but he would vote with any one who moved its ex-
number to the Churches of England and Scotland, and if pulsion. He thought the cathedral establishment ought
it were intended to restrict assistance to the Methodists, to be mainthined inviolate; he could not, therefore, origi-
Baptists, and Catholics the injustice would be greater. nate any measure for impairing it at all, even although he
The persecuted Church was the Church of England. might think any amendment would improve the Bill.
35,000 persons had returned themselves as belonging to no Lord ELIOT complained of the operation which the
sect. This showed the neglect of the Government, and Bill as it now stood would have upon the chapter of Exe-
the impolicy of withdrawing the grant of 16,0001. in 1832. ter. The present canons were very old, and, practically,
If they endowed the Church of England properly, how did the Bill would reduce the Chapter virtually to one canon.
they know but that every roan of them might have been Lord J. RUSSELL did not think the reasons were of
members of the Church of England ? There were in these so peculiar a nature es to require him to agree to the pro
returns 67,000 persons unaccounted for—how did they position of the Noble Lord. The wants of parochial
know bus that these might be members of the Church of Church accommodation were so urgent that he thought it
England ? He wanted nothing intolerant, but the Govern- was necessary to give up some of the splendour of these
ment was bound to endow and support a sufficient Church establishments for providing it.
for the wants of the colonies. The Church of England After a few words from Sir T. ACLAND and Mr. S.
was the immense majority in the mother country, and in HERBERT,
any emigration which might take place they had a right to Lord TEIGNMOUTH moved the insertion of the
expect that the majority of emigrants would be of that re- words, "subject to the conditions hereinafter mentioned"
ligion. He knew it had been said that the air of America in the clause.
was unfavourable to the Eseabliahed Church. Mr. H. LAMBTON recommended the Noble Lord to
Mr. HUM E—So it is.—( Cheers.) withdraw his amendment.
Mr. PA KINGTON—The Noble Lord had even corn- After a desultory conversation, in which Mr. Hume,
mitted himself to the expression of a dominant Church. Mr. Aglionby, Sir R. Inglis, and Mr. Acland took part,
It might as well be said that the air of America was unfa- the amendment was negatived without a divisioe.
vourable to monarchy ; and yet, in Canada during the last The amendment was then agreed to.
two years the most noble stand had been made on behalf The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and obtai'ned
of monarchy. It was utterly absurd to call the Church of leave to sit again.
England in Canada a dominant Church. It neither col- The House having resumed, the resolution on th'b
lected tithes nor exercised exclusive privileges ; therefore Sugar Duties was reported and agreed to.
it could not be called a dominant Church. He did not On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EX-
believe that the country would tolerate this measure. It CHEQUER, the Timber Duties Bill was read a second
was too bad that the expiring efforts of a Government time, and ordered to he committed on Thursday next.
out-voted in Parliament, and afraid to appeal to the:people, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER hay-
yet still clinging to powerless office, should be directed ing moved the third reading of the Tobacco Regulations
to giving a heavy blow and great discouragement to the Bill,
Protestant religion in Canada. In refusing to divide the INIr. GOULBURN objected to the principle of the
House against the Bill, ho was only acting in deference to Bill. He thought some further precautions should be
the advice of friends in whom he bad confidence.— taken against the adulteration of tobacco.
(Cheers.) He was most anxious that this should not be After a few words from Mr. Wallace, the Chancellor of
sent back to Canada, as he was convinced that there they the Exchequer, and Mr. Hume, in support of the measure,
should have no satisfactory settlement, and he wished to and deprecating any unnecessary interference with trades-
see it settled by the Imperial Parliament. Under these men, the Bill was read a third time, and passed.
circumstances he would go into Committee, because he GLASS DUTIES BILL.
was willing to consent to the distribution of this property, The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER having
although he objected to giving any portion to the Church moved that the House should go into Committee on this
of Rome; and if he failed in his object ie Committee, Bill,
even if he went out alone, be would divide on the third Sir ROBERT PEEL wished to offer a suggestion to
reading.—(Cheers,) the Right lion. Gentleman connected with the Bill.
Mr. L ABOUC HE RE would not follow the example There was a strong impression in the scientific world that
of the Hon. Gentlemen in going into details, which, how- the regulations of the excise in regard to the article of
ever exciting they might be, had nothing to do with the glass prevented the improvement of its manufacture,.
Bill. He agreed that it was most important that this Glass was now subject to a new duty every time it was re-
question should be settled by the Imperial Parliament. It melted, and that was felt by scientific men as a great in-
would be most calamitous to :send out this measure to convenience. He thought that the excise-laws on the
be discussed in Canada, but it would be still more cala- subject should not be enforced in cases such as that to
mitous to come to a decision likely to raise a universal which he had referred.
opposition in that colony. The feeling against a domi- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
nant Church there was universal; and he agreed with the that the law on the subject had already undergone a
Hon. Member for Kilkenny that it was surprising a Bill change, at least in the manner in which it was enforced.
so favourable to the Church of England should be sent He believed that the duty was no longer levied when glass
from Canada. All of all parties whom he had consulted was remelted for merely scientific purposes.
from Canada on this subject had besought him to look Mr. WALLACE entirely agreed in the sentiments
at the Church question, not with English but Cana- expressed by the Right Honourable Gentleman opposite,
dian eyes, and not to shock the feelings of the colonists. and wished that the same sentiments were entertained
The present Bill was the result of a compromise, which, with regard to the Corn-laws.—(Cheers and laughter.)
while it did not please the extreme of either parties, Sir R. PEEL wished the Right Honourable Gentle-
pleased the great majority of the colonists, and the mode- man would enter into communication with the public scion-
rate men of all parties. As a member of the Church of tific bodies on the subject, and that he would empower
England, he felt that this Bill gave it advantages which the Treasury to make any regulations that might be ne-
he never expected to see from Canada, and which it would cessary.
be exceedingly unwise in the House to reject. As they The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
were agreed upon the principle of this Bill, he should not the power at present possessed was sufficient.
go at great length into details, but he would admit that The House then resolved itself into a Committee on
those Who contended on principle that, without any regard the Bill, and the various clauses were agreed to with a few
to circumstances, the State was bound to maintain the verbal amendments.
Church of England exclusively in all the British colonies, The CHANCE LL 0 Rith aof o the EXCHEQUER
were right in their opposition ; but he would warn the
moved two new clauses, wiew to make Certain por-
House that these were not principles that could be acted tions of glass, which were now considered as refuse, liable
on, or that any nation possessing a large empire had ever to duty in case they should be subsequently worked up,
dared to act upon.—( Cheers.) ThLse narrow and con- and to prevent fraud in the manufacture.
tracted notions might do for petty states, but were utterly The clauses were agreed to.
unadapted to a large or extensive empire.—( Loud cheers. ) Mr. ANDREW WHITE moved a new clause pro-
He had frequently read the debate on the introduction of viding for the return of the duty to the owners of glass
Mr. Pitt's Canada Bill, and always with increased delight. lost by shipwreck, if such owners were the manufacturers
That debate was conducted by Mr. Pitt, Mr. Fox, and thereof.
Mr. Burke, men of large and enlightened views. It was The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
at a time when the French Revolution had just broke out, the clause objectionable ; its only effret would be to throw
and he could not but observe with admiration how those the insurance upon the Government. If glass were lost
men, differing as they did in political views, when they came by fire, no duty would be returned, and he could not see
to discuss such a topic as this, did so on enlightened views, why it should be returned if the loss took place by water.
and not on mean and petty topics, as was now done. Mr. If it were right, every other article ought to have the Wee
Burke who could not be suspected of any great favour to advantage as glass.
democratic institutions, warned the House in legislating The clause was then put, and negatived without a diasS•
for the Canadians not to give them an opportunity of look- sion.
jag across the border at anything with a feeling of envy ? The House resumed, the Report was received, and
—( Cheers.) This was a measure not proposed theoretically, ordered to be further considered on Thursday week.
but one which had come from Canada, as a measure in The other Orders of the Day were then disposed of,
accordance with their wishes. The effect of the ordinance and the House adjourned at Half-past Twelve.
with regard to the seminary of St. Sulpice was not to give
them additional property, but merely to enable them to
deal with their property in a manner advantageous to the
community. The Hon. Gentleman expressed his alarm
at seeing the Catholics put on the same footing as the Pro-
testants in the colony. He confessed he should be sorry
not to see this the case. The principle had been acted on
in other colonies with good effect. hi Upper Canada
not one Roman Catholic, send in Lower Canada not one
Irish Catholic, had joined the rebels ; on the contrary,
they had always given their support to the mother country,
and he should be sorry to see any insult offered to such a
loyal portion of her Msjcsty's subjects.—(Lod cheers.)
'Mr. PAKINGTON explained. ..
Mr. E sTcouRT complained of the Noble Lora :.'n'
putitig to Members on that side the House a disinclina-
tion to settle the question, because they differed from bins
as to the details of the Bill. He was anxious for a settle.
ment of the question, but for a settlement on the principles
of justice ; and it was an act of injustice to introduce a
persuasion for which it was never intended to provide in
1791. It would be more agreeable to him to have divided
against the Bill, than to trouble the House with any ob-
servations.
Mr. Sergeant JACKSON said he must, on a division,
vote against the Bill, for it would give the opponents of
the Church a handle of which they would not fail to avail
themselves.
Mr. PRINGLE objected to the Bill, particularly com-
plaining of the clause forcing the Church of Scotland in
Canada to form a General Assembly with the United Synod
in Upper Canada.
Lord J. RUSSELL said the object was not for spiritual
but temporal purposes—merely to distribute the funds.
Lord TEIGNNIOUTH felt great objection to the mea-
sure, but yet did not feel prepared to oppose the second
reading of the Bill. As to the sale of the reserves he
agreed in its propriety. As to the distribution of the funds,
he would not agree to the division of it among more
than the two Churches of England and Scotland.
Mr. GLADSTONE said he did not think the objection
of the Hon. Member for Selkirk had been answered.
However he was sure of this, that the Assembly provided
for by this Bill would never assemble. Now, as to the
general principle of the Bill, the Noble Lord was deeply
impressed with the necessity of not passing a measure op-
posed to the opinions of the province. But there was a
worse thing than that in the passing of a Bill
involving a breach of faith—involving too, false and
fatal principles..—( Hear, hear.) However, he did not
wish to obstruct from consideration in Committee a mea-
sure deemed essential to the completion of the plan of
the Union. He entreated his Hon. Friends not to divide,
as it would only compromise their cause. He begged to
know from the Noble Lord the propositions understood to
have been made on the subject by the Primate of England
and the Bishop of London, who had authority to act for
the Canadian Church ?
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that proposition was,
that a fourth of the reserves already sold should be given
entirely to the Church of England, and the h.if of the re-
mainder—(Hear)—the rest to be appropriated as the Go-
vernment thought fit. He felt this strongly, that we must
either definitively settle the question satisfactorily to the
colony, or leave it to the Colonial Legislature.—(Hear.)
The House divided, when the numbers were—
For the Bill
Against it • •
Majority for the second reading
of the Bill
ECCLESIASTICAL DUTIES AND REVENUES
81.
On our re-admission, we found that Lord JOHN RUS-
SEL bad moved that the House should go into Commit-
tee on the Ecclesiastical Duties and Revenues B 11; and
Mr. GLADSTONE complaining that those on his side
of the House had been taken by surprise. On former
occasions they had been assured that this Bill would be
brought on as the business of a night. They were not
QedUitiEen!lirf
then prepared for the discussion.
Lord J. RUSSELL had great difficulty in acceding to
any further delay. He had given every possible notice of AND PRINCE ALTSERT.
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ATTEMPT TO
_AoS.SATShSuIriNdATIEast
aTHlaEte
Sun brought atis. the news that a diao-
the intention to proceed with the Bill, and there was then the preceding evening's
iyunsuccessful, attempt to murder the Queen
plenty of time for taking a discussion.—(Cries of Go Albert, had been committed about. half-past six
on.") o'clock en Wednesday. This alarming intelligence spread
Mr. J. JARVIS presented a petition against the Bill with the greatest rapidity through the city, and soon reached
from the Dean of Westminster (as we understood)." abnodlictribnuctehappi
the surrounding country. Yesterday the arrival of the London
Mr, ACLAND also presented a petition from the Mail was expected with intense anxiety, and when, on opening
clergy of Bath against the Bill, the newspapers, it was found that the report was true, it was
Mr. PRYME presented a petition from the Minor gratifying to notice the mingled feelings ofjoy andhorrer mani-
fested by all. ranks and conditions of persons—joy, that oar bee
Canons of Windsor, also one from the Minor Canons of
loved and interesting young Queen should have escaped the
Canterbury, praying for an augmentation of their stipends.
aim of the atrocious traitor, and horror, that the nation should
Sir R. H. INGLIS did not think that his Noble
contain a person fiendish enough to make so daring an attempt
Friend had answered the objections of his Hon. Friend on the life of her Majesty and her Royal Consort.—Hereford
(Mr. Gladstone). Who, at five o'clock, when they saw the Times.
vast assemblage then congregate& _ The Archimedes screw steamer left Liverpool on
expected that this
Bill would have been called on to-night'?—(Hear, hear.)
Thursday for the Isle of Mau and a letter which we have
Many Members Members had gone away fully expecting that it
eeived from Mr. Smith, dated Douglas June 12, furnishes the
would not be brought on then.
,following particulars of the voyage thither :—'s I beg to inform
Mr. AGLIONI3Y said the Hon. Baronet had answered aou that the Archimedes performed the run from Liverpool to
himself. It was the duty of lion. Members to be present.
this place in the short space of seven hours and twenty-five
Upon looking at the Votes, they would see that the Bill
minutes, which, lam informed, is an unusually quick passage.
pected the us_ i The Mona'
s Isle was fully two hours longer do,ng the same u•
stood second on the list, and no one ex
nada Clergy Reeerves Bill vosuhl have occupied half the . stance, on the same slay, starting about half an hour later than
tiice.it had dente. , i the Archimedes.. no \lutia , te,h., power more than the
' ti i 'S ' - , ' .
ma. I;Ol.ltrES Led .nir .I . Is GLI.e pt Ateltmntedes, with touskierable less tonnage, and drawing two
petitions agaiast the Bills `feet less water."—Liverpool Albion.

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EVENING EDITION:

GRAND JURY CESS BILL.

DIVISION in the HOUSE of LORDS on FRIDAY

NIGHT.
MAJORITY.

DUKES.
Marlborough
Rutland
Newcastle
Buckuigharn

' EARLS.
Wicklow
Clam
Bandon
Ftosslyn
Limerick
Pools
Charleville
Orford
Lonsdale
llarewood
Verulam
Brownlow
;Beauchamp
Glengall
De Grey
Eldon
Ripon
N ISCOUNTS.
HeraUrd
Sifoodtly
Strangford
Middleton
GaZe
Ilawarden
•
Gort
Beresford
Combermere
Canterbury
BISHOPS.
Winchester
Carlisle
Gloucester

BISHOP.
Exeter

LORD&
De Roos
Clinton
Willoughbydeßroko
Colville
Boston
Walsingham
Southampton
Montagu
Kenyon
Douglas of Douglas
Rolle
Bolton
Carbery
Clonbrock
Redesdale
Ellenborough
Saridys
Churchill
Ravcngworth
Delarner e
Rayleigh
Downes
Wharnelift
Feversharn
Fitzgerald
Lvnthurst
Stuart de Retboay
Ilevtesbury
De.Saumark
Abinger
Do Lisle

MARQUISSES.
Huntle
-flute
Dow nsh ire
Thom ond
eter
Londonderry
v,:vstmgath
kRLS.
Pembroke
Devon
Winehilsea
Essex
Abingdon
Jersey
Haddington
Aberdeen
Hopetown
Dartmouth
Tankcry it le
'Warwick
Hardwicke
Delaware
Beverley
Liverpool
Cadogan
Clements
Longford
Enniskillen

MINORITY.
Headfort
Holland
llcheeter
Kinnaird
Lansdowne
Leigh
Lainster
Leitrim
Lovelace
Lurgan
Lichfield
Melbourne
Minto
Monteagle
Montfort
1 Morley
Mostyn
N'ormanby
Petre
Foltimore
Portman
Ripon
Kingston

Albemarle
Arundel
Brougham and Vaux
Camoys
Camperdown
Charlenient
Clarendon
Cleveland
Clifford
Colborne
Couyngham
Cork
Cottenham
Crav,n
De Freyne
Denman
Duneannon
Fitzwilliam
Foley
Godolphin
Gosford
Itaherton
Dunally

i;1;;;Uri
Save aiv.4 IWO
Siatord
Sherborne
Somerset
Stafford
Stuart de Declas
Sudety
Sutherland
ralbot
Torringten
Uxbridge
Faux
Wenlock
Yarborough
Scarborough
Langdale
Effingham
Wicklow
Zetland
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FAX

Beaufort

RS.
Bedford
Strafford
"n„.-ters
Leeds
Li iford
Dacre
Thanet
Kinnoul
Radnor
Shrewsbury
Ducie
Suffolk
Lov at
Sefton
Norwrch
Stanley
Methuen
W rottesley
Carlisle
Howden
At eadalbane
Carew
Spencer
Cowper
Barham
Durham
Itoxburgh.
Du, ferntline

Buccicuch
Argyll
Cholmondeley
Aylesbury
Sandwich
Moray

GalloWay
Airlie

Bathurst

Digby

Caimirvon
Mounteashel
Wilton

Shettield
Falmouth
Stradbroke
Dunraven
Cawdor

Brecknock
Strathallan
Doncraile
St. 'Vincent
Canning
London
Rochester
Saltoun
Sinclair
Sondes
Carteret
Dansany
Prudhoe
Colchester
Forrester
Tenterden
Ashburton

Byron
Chichester
Cioneurry
Ely
Chichester
Bateman
Dinorben
Oxford