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spee,t that vote. He thought Mr. Scarlett was justly
entitled to compensation. The principle on which they
should act in all cases like' the present was, that it was a
matter of legal policy as weilite justice that the House should
take the most liberal view with :egard to those whose
vested interests were affected by the
Troposed changes.
While de was on his legs he would beg make one ob-
servation with regard to the Copying Clerks ca-tbe Court
of Exchequer. Justice demanded that when col:Wenn:
tion was being awarded to more important
persons,
the interests of poorer persons Ought not to be a've.r-
looked. The case to which lie referred was that of th,
Copying Clerks of the Exchequer. Those individuals
had been employed as copyists in that Court some
of them for so long a period as thirty years, and that em-
ployment furnished their solo means of livelihood. Their
income in those situations amounted to but 1001. or 120/. a
year, and that for the performance of duties of a very
laborious nature. The Court of Exchequer was now
about to be abolished by . the claims of those
individuals was not one for compensation, but simply
that Government would consider them as having a prior
claim for employment under the new system. Nothing
would be more exquitable or fair than such a claim.
They ought to show the public that, whilst they attended
to their interest they were not unmindful of the vested
interests of individuals, and that those persons who had
hitherto obtained a livelihood in that Court should not
on its abolition be exposed to absolute destitution,
Mr. HAWES had received some communications on
the subject before the House, or he would not trouble
Hon. Members with any remarks upon it. Those clerks
represented to him (Mr. Hawes) that they had been
serving in the Court of Exchequer for twenty or thirty
years, and that their occupation would be swept away
by the change. Why not, he woulc ask, give
compensation to those poor individuals as well as to Mr.
Scarlett. He saw no one in that House come forward in
behalf of those persons, but in behalf of an individual
who was the son of a Peer there were many to come for-
ward and advocate the justice of compensation.
Sir J. GRAHAM agreed with the Hon. Member for
Liskeard that the House ought in all cases of the aboli-
tion of offices to extend a liberal consideration to those
who had claims for compensation.
Mr. HAWES—To poor as well as to rich.
Sir J. GRAHAM—To rich and poor alike. Such
was the doctrine of ,the Hon. Member for Liskeard, but
such was not the doctrine of the Hon. Member for Lam-
beth, for while that Hon. Gentleman would refuse the
claim to compensation of Mr. Scarlett, who had a regular
appointment, he would uphold the right of these two
gentlemen who had no regular appointment. He :had no
wish to underrate their claims, such as they were, but it
was rather singular that they should never have heard
of their claims until the third reading of the Bill in the
present Session. It was certainly remarkable that during
the last Session neither of thsse Hon. Geutlemen had
mentioned the case to the late Government ; that Go-
vernment would certainly have leant a ready car to any
recommendation of those Hon. Gentlemen, and if they
had drawn the attention of the GoVernmesst to the subject
those claims had most probably been invealigatsd and
found untenable. It appeared that these gentle:non had
been employed as copiers in the Six Clerks' cee:ce of
the Exchequer. Now, although the Equity Excheque:
was a Court to be abolished, yet two new Courts were
to be substituted for it, to give a greater facility for the
transaction of Equity business. He could not, therefore,
doubt that if those gentlemen had established their cha-
racter as efficient copyists, there would be a demnid
for their services in the new courts. He would not, how-
ever, give any pledge on the subject, because he thought
it cruel to raise hopes which might end in disappoint-
ment. At the same time, he entertained a reasonable
expectation that the services of these gentlemen would
not be rejected. •
Mr. HAWES explained.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the rule in law
was that compensation was limited to those persons who
had a legal and vested right in their offices. Those gen-
tlemen had not, while Master Scarlett was duly ap-
pointed by the Lord Chief Baron, and had as good a
freehold right in his office as any gentleman in that
House had in his property.
Sir C. NAPIER had noticed tha :Oat House was al-
ways most liberal in cleating with any case where any
gentleman of ,the law was concerned.—(Hear, hear.) It
was not long since they voted 3,5001. as the
retiring pension for a Vice-Chancellor. Now,
that would just be the retiring pension
which would be given to a Vice-Admiral,
aftei.fty years service.—(Hear, hear.) He would men-
tion a few ,of the pensions given to officers on the aboli•
tion of the Nave"' Board some ten years ago, and the
Right Hon. Baronet
eserved much praise for its aboli-
tion. There was Sir Shymour, a very old officer,
who had lost an arm ; hen d a patent place, which,
being abolished, he was compel sated by being sent
out to India, where he died.—eL,aughter.) An-
other officer, who held a patent place, which was
abolished, was compensated by a transportOm of
three years to South America ; and another office:, 7
`Jordon, under the same circumstances, was compensated
by live years employment..—(Hear, hear.) He was
tfe have his half pay after, but the late Govern-
ment
wisely and justly altered that.—a(Hear.) He
might also mention the ease of Captain Hornly ; he en•
joyed a patent place of 1,0001. a year, it was abolished,
and he was compensated by five years employment at
Woolwich. He only mentioned these things to show
the difference in the way of dealing with gentlemen of
the long robe, and those of the short jacket.—(Cheers.)
Mr. C. WOOD could not understand the law laid
down by the Attorney-General, with respect to the
case of Mr. Scarlett. When Lord Brougham appointed
his brother to the office that had been referred to the
greatest opposition was given to it by:gentlemen on the
other side of the House. The Attorney-General's doe-
trine was that persons who had a legal title to a place,
multi being in possession of that place, were entitled to
compc
iesation• Now he wanted to know how Mr. Scar-
-lets was entitled to compensation, and Mr. Brougham
was not.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
POPULsTION PAYMENTS BILL.
Sir J. GRAHAM, moved the further consideration of
the Report on the Popuintion Payments Bill.
Mr. OTWAY CAVB wished to know whether the
attention of the Right Hof,;' Baronet had been called to
the statement of a Magistrate, .in one of the Metropolitan
Districts, with respect to the Irisell, when the case of the
Irishmen had been brought before* hL11?
Sir J. GRAHAM had seen the stater: ant adverted to
by the Mon. Member, and had called upon' the Magis-
trate to explain them, as he thought such se'etements
were calculated to interfere with the due ad-
ministration of justice.—(Hear, hear, hear.)
worthy Magistrate did offer an explanation, stating
• that the report was in many essentials incorrect. The
answer on the whole was satisfactory, and he had no
doubt that if an unguarded expression did fall from the
worthy Magistrate it would not be again repeated.
The Bill was then further considered in Committee,
and the report was ordered to be received to-morrow.
Mr. GREEN brought up the Report of the Expiring
Laws Bill. Ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
POOR-LAWS.
Sir J. GRAHAM moved the Order of the Day for
going into Committee on the Poor-law Commission Con-
tinuance Bill.
Dir. S. CRAWFORD rose to move the following reso-
lution of which he had given notice—" That it be an
instruction to the Committee on the Poor-law Com-
mission Bill, to insert clauses to the following effect :
" 1. That it shall not be lawful to the Commissioners,
from the date of the passing of this Bill, to declare the
formation of any new Unions id districts which aro not
already placed under the operation of the Act 4 and 3
William IV., c. 76.
2, That it shall not be lawful for the Commissioners
a ut
persons ori t of
or Board
merits for their
disallow, by any general or other order, any pay-
tie --hie
h shall
the h e
reliefad of an poore
by
the h
of Gliardiau.
.the workhouse, notwithstanding any
families out or •
e 'thy the said •
recited Act of 4th
powers given to tnem• „
contrary.
and sth Will, IV.) to the s
If he failed in his advocacy of eS question of such great
hat of the constitu-
importance, it was not his fault; but s: and who were
ency which had sent him to that House,
worthy of a better advocate. Ile was aware os ne ,import'
tame of avoiding all party recriminetion, and slim _d only_
call upon Hon. Members to consider whether the ope. a.
tion of the Bill shoidd not be in some degree suspender
during the continuance of the present great distress. The
Right Hon. Baronet and his Government had asked for
time to consider the provisions of a proper Poor-law Bill.
By the Poor-law Bill the Commissioners were entrusted
with, he may say, absolute powers ever the
Board of dians, except in one instance, that of
not interfering with the relief to bo given •
to individuals. 13th section of the Act gave
them an absolute power in giving orders, and the 52d
gave them the power to ; order out-door relief. He
begged leave to refer •to that section. The Hon.
Gentleman then read the section which gave the Commis-
sioners power to administer relief out of the workhouse,
tO whateeer extent they might think fit, either by re-
payment of' money or giving provisions, or both, and
to what persons, at what time, on what con-
ditions, and in what manner such out-door re-
lief ought to be given. such were the words of
the Act, and he maintained that out-door relief
was to be given, and was conveyed by those words.
Bat the order of the Commissioners was not consistent
with that Act. Their order was, that every
_
able-bodied person male or female requiring.
hretheef
should be relieved in the workhouse, together with
families of such persons, and also the wives
of such :itersong as were
marriedte men.
House to
He maintained that, it was the duty
ref rit distresses of
time that power which, elurings.ei,o
withese such grievous
the _i!oir try, might be
inciple upon which the
oppression io the pour.
,eilt 1' contended
arose from
order was issued, wets hear He contended that
profligacy. (Heart s aof the country there were a
the present circumstance
ious and honest portion of
e industrious
sed from other
great many of tit
were distrcs
the community who
minter he hoped, therefore,
causes than profligacy ;
pose to prevent a
varliament would
of power. On the assumption that po-
eoiligee
.
the
,
workhouse had been
,e
"First, there was the separa-
nunishment and disci-
'aid living; sthly
-arouse ;
eis

EVENING SUN

! separation of the mother and the child. In some easeg.,
•that pr:: ci2!e had been extended even to the mother aad
the sucking child.

(LEFT SPEAKING.)

SOUTH 't3RELAND LuGHT.—The original'
tower, which was among the first erected in England, is OW
under the process of demo liti on, being already almost levelled::
to the foundation. This tower is said to have been built ie
the reign of Charles IL, and must consequently have "P
rienced the devastating influence of Time's ornnipotence.fer-
the space of about a century and a half. From the top of the
more modern tower is obtained a very extensive and cominal •
insq view of the surrounding country—fertile fields and wind-
in
ga el!eys, the operations of majestic nature, and the improv`:,:
mmt„;:, the arts of cultivation. We see our mercantile flee C
pa sins in all their glory, surcharged with the produce aft°,7,
wealth of for,sign climes, and doing homage as they pass ".7•
their guardian
ngel, who presides over an intricateXrtisi
which is the dread t'f mariners, and has so often proved the de-
struction of life and pi:operty. The scene presents such a
riety of pleasing objects, :.`ad such a fanciful feast as seldo.ra_
meets the eye. The original light was coals burnt upon t"
flat roof of the old tower, was supplanted in 1793, will:
the modern one was built for ifteen oil-lamps. There 1,,
also a lower light-house to enable the zuariner, in the time .e;
danger, to keep the two lights in a line, and thereby avoid the
Goodwin Sands. The object of the Trinity House, who Ints;,; •
chased the property of Greenwich Hospital, in taking doh
his venerable tower, is to adopt a similar light to the on Ire.
the opposite coast, at Care Grinez, which is found to aerces.
better and more powerfully than those already in use. T°
prope,,.
ameliorations for the safety of lives and security of
are highly commendable in this body. The height of hrr,
cliff and tower will, it is supposed, be about 400 feet above "`
level of the sea.
MR. JOHN GLADSTON.E.—A Liverpool pape-r,
hints that this eminent Tory church builder, the &Pe
of the Puseyite M.P. for Newark, is extremely anla°
to have a title, and may soon be r raised to the Peelag°-
PILCHARD FISHERY.—We have again
to
report the fishermen along our oasts have watched in vs
during the past week for shoals of pilchards—none have beep
seen.—Falmouth Packet. • • su if
CAPTURE OF ' A WHALE.--On--OnThtlra,t
afternoon the inhabitants of Kincardine 'were surprised
at the invasion of their shores by a lar).:a Greens
whale of the bottlenose species, which was W,lghedasile
alive opposite the place where the Albert ran scl°wlllibe
Dumbarton Castle steam-tug a few weeks since" ea
scene which took place when the whale was ob.salty
baffles description. The greatest energy and act,i`l„,l3
were displayed by the people to bring to shore th 0,1,701
fish, which lay sprawling among the mud, ever nell'";n.
raising his broad and ample tail in the air, and n5l •
striking the beach with desperate, hopeless, and desir;lj.
ing energy, to get himself freed from his'foes, but
the efforts and strength of the mighty monster were;
availing under the superior skill of the persvis 4
to. •
sembled. Every missile was in requisition on the °c-
sion that could be procured, from the regular harro°,ll a
the kitchen poker. Before he was secured and •e1,.;14-,
few of the people got a very unceremonious duo-0e
The whale was about forty feet in length, and its ''ll7
not less than 1501.—Edieburgh Courant.
TEETOTAL Is M.—Some remarkable coincidences
in the names of the advocates of the total abstinel!,,,
system took place at a meeting last week. Among t"
leakers were Mr. Drinkwater, Mr. Anteater' Mr.
and Mr. Waters. There was also a Mr. kit
.. on his legs ; " but it cannot be safely said that he vv°
of the famillv of the never-to-be-forgotten Simon.
SunDENT. XIT.—We are distressed to leBr.n.
Fir
the sudden de,.ure of a gentleman of fortune from liie
city, who has left s
arge accounts unsettled among
of Bath.___BctiZt Herald. iii
A mackerel was, 01. Tuesday week, caught
the river Severn, by Mr. Jenkiins, of Cardiff. This is 11 vt't
remarkable occurrence, and it is evident that the fish bad
out of of its latitude. —Liverpool ChroOele.
An officer, in full regimentals, passing throug.,
a street in Dublin, approllensive lest he should Co ti
contact with a cnimney-sweeper, that was passing
warts him, exclaimed, " Hold off, you black thief •d
" You were as black as mo before you were boiled," cr'
sooty.
The people at Bath surpass the Athenian aa'
gee
He merely chewed the pebbles, hut, according to t,O
Morning Herald, "At Bath the Victoria column is
everybody's mouth."
A. lady once heard a man preach, - and was 57
enraptured with him that she sent him a • letter to the follow
ing effect:—Dear Sir, there's my hand (my heart you
Will
already), with my fortune, which is very considerable.. ,d
you accept ? I am, &e., ANNA. The clergyman,. onnr
by the entreaties cf the lovely fair one, replied in the fo.° ,
big terms :—Madam, give your hand to industry, dwell
ry, your -
to the poor, and your heart to God.
ECKINGTON.—We have been candidly lir
formed that the cutlery business in Eckington is at pre the
such a depressed state that a portion of the work for which
woakmen were. at no remote period, receiving 2s. 5.44 "
not now bring him in more than Is. 2d. This holds o!et
dreary prospect for the winter.—Derbyshire Chronicle.
BIRTHS EXTRAORDINARY.—At W 0000.7
Rivers, near Pewsey, on Friday, the 17th instant, nary,
of 7homas Smart, labourer, of three girls, two of whom, va'
the reetLsr, are doing well.—Hants Advertiser.
were also received yesterday mornfilg
Co
the Colonial-office, from the Governor-General of
Cape of Good Hope.
•
COURT CIRCULAR.
WINDSOR, MONDAY.—The Queen and Prince Albert teek
their usual morning ride in the Little Park to Adelaide Ch4t4ge
this forenoon.
Albert
At four o'clock this afternoon her Majesty and Prince
rode out in a.' pony phaeton, the Prince driving. Lady
man, Hon. Matilda Paget, Hon. Miss Lister, and Admiral
Robert °tray, following in a pony carriage and four, 1,
Viscount Sydney, Lord Portman, and Sir Edward Bowater
tending on horseback.
Her Royal Highness the Princess Royal has been takes, °
ft
twice to-day.
The Venerable Archdeacon Wilberforce took his departure.
from the Castle this morning.

Her Maj esty the Queen Dowager, accompanied by hear,
Royal Highness the Duchess of Gloucester and his Seel"
Highness Prince Ernest of Hesse Philippsthal, and attended
by her suite, left the seat of the Duke of Rutland,
Castle, Leicestershire yesterday morning, for her residence,
Sudbury Hall, Derbyshire.
•
Lord Sandon, the Earl of Devon, and Lord Courtenay, had
an interview with Lord Stanley yesterday, at the Colonial-office
The French Ambassador and M. de Montezuma, the Br,
zilian Minister, transacted business yesterday, at the Foreign-
office.
Captain Hammel', Provost Marshal of British Guiana, hsd
id
an interview with Lord Stanley yesterday, the tic"'
nial.office. Belvoit

ADELAIDE GALLERY.
This 2nteresting institution w.ts opened yesterday under the
ment, and with very great success. There 1/
present at thee
new manag,.
evening exhibition not less than 400 or el'
persons, and there' was a universal expression of satisfaction
at each of the niZmerous, and varied, [and instructil
entertainments provided,for their amusement. The wondertut
child, Louisa Vinning, vlio is best known as the Infifi
Sappho," delighted the audience for an hour with her celest's
an E
warblings. If we could belie, ein the doctrine of Meteml3l;
ehosis, we should :ay that when the Muses perished with tl'A
mythology of Greece, the divine : irit of uterp ~, wand
about the earth in search of a resting-place, until she foule,4
worthy temple in the bosoni !of ;.ouisa:Vinning- -"e
exhibition of Mr. Clarke's Electro--Magnetic carriage
(which travels with a weight of 491b5., at eus rate of 50 feat':
ten seconds), was also an object of curiosity And wonder; .11110
convinced us that the time is approaching wise., steam will
o.
superseded, and locomotion will be performed without law"
and without expense.
Major Beniowski procceded with his course lif lectures on
artificial memory, and by practical examples with .his Pu1:0•• •
present, did much to confirm us in the favourable opinion
had already formed of his systei.l.

•

SPORTING INT EI.LIGENCE.
( T AT T ERSALL'S. ) W •ax
In consequence of many of the Liverpool visitors O
proceeded direct to Newmarket, and of the departure of 13st
of the metropolitan speculators for the same place, then to
was indifferently attended yesterday, aid business too in
t`,._Au
require any introduction to the few engagerraents contraa'''
the course of a short afternoon.
TBE CESAREWITCH STAKES.
5 to 1 agst Mb Bell's The Squire—taken
10 to I agst Mr. Payne's Weltare—taken
15 to 1 agst Lord ElLter's Bosphorus—taken
16 to I asst 111 r. Goods lan's Orelia-20 to 1 taken
Offers to take 5 to .1 about Dilly's lot.

INT,WIyi-JRKET FIRST OCTOBER MEETINU: 66.
and
u'
Lord Bruce's Rosalie colt has enived for the Hope
gel-
Rutland Stakes ; and Mr. Goodman's Orelia. Reranaot'
grade, and another, for tl:eir engagemein. s in this and the Ile
meetings. Neither Wahah, Miss Wick. 4.•
are coming.
any other from John Day's than the Rosal.4 colt, Little Johnny, "

IMPERIAL PARLIA.III- 614'1 •

HOUSE OF coMAIONS,
WAYS AND MIOANS'
,ntinu
said—He knew, at least, that the B
aitight llon. Geil,
The CHANCELLOR o f the E.X.CI-;. EQITER, Inc` : ,
ation
tleman had been in favour of a proposition of the W'
for with the candour which he had always displayed !
office, and which he expected to experience from him 1.11
opposition, he had intimated distinctly that it was his
opinion that such a course might be adopted. Of 4°11! ;spe:
the sum to be raised would be limited by the nee°. 's't.-,,
of the public service for the year. I:1:e should obk'er>
that he did not adopt the course he proposed tO fot 4
.'°
without a deep feeling of regret at finding himself calk.
upon to add to the existing deficiency of the country.'
He lamented deeply that while adding to the debt of, the . '
to the House ; but, at the same t° •
country, he was not in a situation to hold out any foP'
t propose'
nue, he dio_ no
to make any spec'
the same, as ho had .alread? state
The reas • which ere,
. ial provision for the debt to be created.
reasons debarred him from cloilag so
once considering the wholedl
Bltio7 1_3:9 /01
from at ^
deficiency, in opinion, o°6l
cy in the revenue. In his
important questions could not be wall considereia.
until the whole subject, both as to the mt'ans of diratila
,qupersetivgteodf him
nishing expenditure and of increasing the re,venne, eouid
be fully considered in connection with them.
only further say, that as, in the present prop.
had sincerely endeavoured to give effect to that mill he
meeting the present difficulties of the case i, ule op
had to deal with, so he hoped he would not b ''' d-,1,:.
posed as anxious to set a precedent of repairing i a that
cieney by an addition to the debt. So far from it, ht
I have not even alluded to any precedent which ll ;are,
in
•ve produced. He did not think, as a general , in
'ciple was defensible ; and he looked forwa.na
~,::,
n.. -,n the whole question would meet witlt I:uchs"
the pr,... ''n of the House to that period, v' Dtz to .
the time eh.- ' it would be his duty to surti-out
Palm considerattls.wht,
,3 in detail—not to Pchn-!i,evir
W 45 nc411.156T whole ca.... - might be met, but ii -sd,
W' 11°449 ft •enay of one yea. might be equai . ,
,149 w dPti:;t7lr .of the revenue - `au with moll" 6
‘r° expel''' -'.
t.
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(A.lld..l4o,",,l:fni.nity vittl Ilis DWI, ,i. ua bee
0 WiD 10
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