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' •tonce.yoe left the army at Wilna. 'Tlee tide of thought it a base insinuation of the Noble Lord
hint; has turned your head. What you have to endeavour to inculcate an idea that be and Ins
written to me is at variance w-•;b your actions.— i Hon. Friends derived their intelligence from the
I shall see by yo conduct at Ancona, whether secret agents of foreign Governments.
your heart is truly Fiend). Recollect • that the I Lord CASTLEREAGH, in explanation, said, the
!do..zdom Aithich- you. possess is only yours Right lion. Gentleman had misunderstood,his ar-
for the benefit of those who gave it to you. I ,gumeet. He begged, however, to know what he
made you a King only for the benefit of my sys- meant by the expression of .1 base insinuation."
tern." --He thought that these documents pretty Mr. PoNSoNBY said, he thought the N,DIC
plainly sheaved the light in which his conduct was Lord bad used language which he ought no: to
considered by the French. His object was to get have done, when he attributed to prat ana his
possession of the whole of Italy south of the-Po. friends the deriving information from the secret
This object be solicited from Eaonaparte, who ' sources of foreign Governments.
then considered it a most absurd claim, and treat- -Lord CTI.EREAGH.--Does the Right Hon.
ed him with the utmost contempt'. it -was not Gentleman mean tosay, that the info; mation was
until he was convinced that he had no hopes of not derived from the agents of Murat ? I haV,e DO-
difficulty in stating nndisguisedly (for I nun above
obtaining his object. from Btionaparte, that he •
clOsed with the Allies, with whom he had been concealing ii), that I did understand that a direct
previously- negociating for many months.. He eommenicetion bad taken place iron) Genoa to an
afterwards slimed throughout, that his only ob- Hon.•alember on the other side of the House, and
ject was to 'secure what he laid claim to„-and that that in ,consequence of the information.proeured,
he was not disposed to co-operate seriously with steps hat,l' been taken in this House by that Hon.
the Allie Sr. By the Interference of his troops at Member.
Reggio, a considerable body of French troops Mr. WHITBREAD said, he bad received a letter
were suffered to escape, that would otherwise from a- person at Genoa, who had an undoubted
have been prisoners. After he had so completely right,to send him any intermation within the com-
violated his engaeements with the-Allies; they pass of his knowledge. He denied, hoWevei-, that
were all of opinion that he had no claims to their he had ever received, or sotight for, any improper
interference for his proteetiOn. France -and Spain communications.
Strontt-ly pressed at the Congress the displacing Mr. PONSONRY said he could declare on his ho-
him from the Throne of Naples. He' would, Hour, that lie had never received an information
however, state most confidently, that if Murat had that was improper.
acted fairly in the common cause, his claim to the Lord CASTLERSAOH begged to know in .what
kingdom of Naples- would have been supported not sense the Right Hon. Gentleman made use of the
only by this country; but by Austria, Russia, -and words he had uttered ?
Prus.:Sia. There: would then' never have been a I Mr. TIERNEy observed, that the Noble
.Lord
queStion about whether there had been a regular had used some stiaang language to-Wards-his side of
Treaty entered into with him or not. If he had the House, and if his Right Hun. Friend had, in
acted like a maa of hon Out and spirit, hiS claim the warmth of debate, said any thing which ap-
would have been as fully supported as if it had peared to be harsh, it was• only •in consequence of
been formally.covetranted "by a Treaty. The prin- what had fallen from the Noble Lord, and he
cipal Allied Powers,'. however, knowing that he ; thought he could appeal co that good hutrour
had forfeited all claim; found it a greater difficulty whichneVer failed to distinguish the Noble Lord,
to resist- the pressing solicitations of PrauCe and ; whether words so spoken should be liable to
Spain. It was, however, reserved for the Congress • marked observation. This disagreeable discussion
to determine on the grounds 9t policy and the ge- might in a moment be terminated, if the Noble
net-al interests of 'Europe, and no deterthination • Lord would admit that he did not mean' to iusi-
had been made, nor had the subject been taken . nuate that improper practices had existed on the
into the consideration of the Congress, at the time 'subject.
that he-resoked upon war. Tile Noble Lord then Lord CASTI:EREAGH.—I am not prepared, I con-
-observed., 'that about the tine (hat Buonaplrte fess, to make such an admiSsimi. I think the in-
left Elba. there was a very remarkable asid im- formation-was not obtained constitutionally or
pOrtant alteratioh took place in the policy of the properly.
GoVernmeOt of Naples'. Murat took occasion Mr.'fteeleay was quite willing to be examined.
then to complain of the French Gm-eminent; and as to any suspicious correspondence he was con'
(linkinnded;a free pilssat:e for 80,000 men through corned in. No body had fewer correspondcnts.
that part of the Country in Italy which V'a's under lt was impo-ssible for the Noble Lord to mean that
the Austriandominion, for the purpose any improper or treasonable intercourse had beening them into Friteee. His previous conduct had carried on with the enemy. Such a charge would
for some thee she Wit that he was in pos.sesion of .- be ridiculous.
what had taken place at Edna, and that, 'added tt) Mr. WutTRREAD did not understand what' the
his demand Of marching troops throtigh tlrcllat ches Noble Lord Meant by the terms constitutionally
of A-Cona, gave 'a
Considerable alarm to the Aes:,. and properly. Dill the Noble Lord Mean to Make
trian Government.- They, however, gave a ; any charge that Gentlemen on the Anti-ministerial
remptory reinsal to, and declared they would op= ; side of the House had acted iaat mariner unbe-
pose the march or sort; ail army, as they would coming them as true Citizens and Meint)ers of
equally 'refuse the march ota French army.through. Parliament ? that- they had conducted tiienisely,,!s
their territory to attack Naples.. Wheu Murat in' a manner that did not befit their public duties
ryas informed that- Bnlmaparte had. 'arrived in Even the•silence of the Noble Lord aoulcl induce
Paris, he (Murat) placed his troops in such a him to believe that_ hewoultl not persist in expres,
sititation;' as to enable him to give assistance to ; used in the Beat of debate. •

his former master, and imtnediately fired his
head-quarter at Ancona, and resumed his title
of Joachim i'slipoleon, which he had voluntarily
dropped from the titne that Bitonaphyte abdicated
,hiS throne. On the 31st of March, without
making any communication to the Austrian Go-
vernment, he put his whole army in motion from
Ancona, in au offensive manner against the Aus-
trian Govermnen't.,and endeavoured by his pro-
clamations to excite the -peOple of Italy to join
against the Allies. In his addresses to the Ita-
lians he spoke in the most favourable terms of the
English, in order fo draw them into the belief

'Tie SPEAKtt.---1 am quite persuaded that the
Himse cannot suffer the debate to terminate with
such ,words unexplained. Whatever might be the
heat of debate, or the strength of the impression
they made, they are words that, I ant sure, the
Right Hon. Gentleman will diselann having Used
in a personal and offensive sense, that might lead,
to any proceedings upon another occasion, and in
another place. (Hear, hear !) They are cer-
tainly words' not to he employed without au "ex.-
pianation that they were not intended to give per.
sonal offence. The Right Hon. Gentleman n,ces
it to the House to give some explanation.

that'-this 'nation was favourable to his views. It
was of course preposterous to suppose the Allies
were bound to keep any terms with him after he
had openly attacked the Austrians. He had no
objection to•produce the papers moved for ; and
if they did not satisfy the Hon. Members who
wished to have thent, they would have it in their
power to bring forward, any-- question respecting
them which they Might • think proper.- -,He was
desirous to do this,'in order to clear himself from
the charges which had been so numerously, un-
candidly, and in his opinion, unfairly made against
; and the aspersions of which' he %visited to
make evident, not only to the Government, but
to the whole -country. The information• of the
Hon. Gentleman who made those charges ap-
peared to have been drawn from the secret off-
-6.41 sources of •other countries, which were. not
tne most creditable; and he hoped it would prove
a salutary lesson to the Hon. Members on than
of the 'louse, which would make them in fa=
thre more cautious Of bringing' forward -accusa.
tions to calumniate the Government on authority
so weak and. inefficient, and abstain from bring-,
ing- forward their attacks on Ministers till they
could fairly try the question.
Mr. WHITBREAD said, as this was not the night
for entering at large into 'the 'papers which the
Noble Lord had promised should be produced, lie
would not trouble the House further than to ob-
serve that those Hon. Members who bads() loud-
ly cheered the Noble Lord, and who thought that
he contained in himself the whole Government of
this country, might find themselves satisfied by
Lie' lcoonugl d
n
ad able speech of the Noble Lord, but
- no means "do so. The Noble
Lord had, opened a scene of diplomatic
treachery and baseness, which he,. for one,
conld wish had no existence, but in imagination.
.The Noble Lord had read a great many letters
however, obtained by the Noble. Lord, and
'stow
a''-hici,
strongly-' sot:Net-Alley might weigh with some,
had not by any means convinced him that the
Noble Lord.'s conduit was not still open to every'
thing-that had been said of it. ~When the papers
were laid.opon the table, he should have an op-
portunity of delivering•his opinion more fully.
Lord CASTLEREAGH explained.
Mr. PoNsoNny said, the Noble Lord flattered
himself in supposing that what had. fallen•fronr
hint that night • would prove a salutary lesson to
himself and his Hon.- Friends who acted with

Mr. PONSONBY.-1-,1 am sure, Mr. Speaker, that
this is not the place for a man to he too pertina•
cious regarding any expressions he may have used,
since he must know what would be the conse-
quence of the intervention of the Chair. Bot
submit to you, Sir, that 1 was not the first-person
whose language was exceptionable. I made no
charge against any individual of holding clandes-
tine correspondence with an enemy. Let the
Noble Lord place himself in our situation, 'and
suppose the accusation brought, against himself,
would not he feel it very acutely ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH.-1 objected on the
gene-
ral principle to the employment of information
that must directly or indirectly have come from
such sources as those to which I alluded. The
Right-Hon. Gentleman ought- to be the last per-
ion
.to complain -of unparliamentary language.
Mr. HORNER said, he was the person to whom
the words of the No'ole Lord most partiCUlarly
alluded. His Right Hon. Friend had felt those
words to ,be strong and very severe, and he
had replied to them with warmth ;- but he hoped
the Noble Lord would make some allowanc,e. roe
"warmthwarmth of feeling and expression, ex-
Cited by debate.
Lord CNSTLEREAGH disclaimed having u'e.l
any " strong language.' All he meant- to say
was, that when-persons made charges on infor-
mation drawn from weak and improper sources,
such charges ought not to be attended to by the
House.
• Mr. PONSONBY observed, that after what had
just been said he was 'sorry he had made use of
the expressions he (lid.
Mr. W. POLE said,. that When the papers were
laid on the table, he had no doubt but it would be
found that Government had done what they ought
to have done.
Mr. PROTIIEROE congratulated the House on
the very satisfactory explanation be (Lord C.)
had given of his whole conduct, against which
so many charges had been at different times
brought forward.
Mr. HORNER replied; and the question was
agreed to.
The other orders of the day were then disposed
of, and the House adjourned.

wington yesterday
An Inquest was held at Ne
on the body of Thomas Plumner, a boy about 14
years of age, who received a blow which, caused
his death, in a fight with Charles Webb, another
boy, against whom the Jury rtnurned a verdict of
feloniously killing and slaying.

; for he believed that nothing the Noble
Lord had said, or could say, would be deemed by
any of them either instruction or authority. He