The Sun.
London, England, 1812-07-08 00:00:00

six-:shillings tithe, aman has been driven to twenty-
six shillings cost. 'These new and unexpected de-
mands, these dormant .clams must ever cause
content. His lion. Friend (Mr. Pi meIl) gave the
other nightthe outlines oi-.a plan for the p-,eaeral
commutation of Tithes, which plan he highlv ap-
proved of, and hoped that it 'would be adOpte
as-it • went to secwe the Clergy in en easy and
comfortable mode of being paid the full amount
of -their livings, arid would ultimately release all
cla:;ses- from the burden 21nd' oppression of the
Tithing system. , The Noble Lord (Castlereagh)
on a former night, expA,ssed•hinisclf favourkoly
-inclined 'to take the great subject of Tithes oil,
der , consideration next Session, this induced
him to recommend This Bill to be, for the pre-
.sent, withdrawn, with a view that its objektl
might he introduced on an extended scale,
some general and great measure for. the 4dvapgc
of the Clergy and- the relief...of the people a;
large.
Mk. WHITBREAD commented on the evils of the
present season. The last S;peaker
.had,recu,rn-e
mended it to his Hon. Friend to let the 'subject
rest till next Session, in the hope that the Noble.
Lord, who Wits anxious to remove the evil when it
was not under consideration, IRA against red ov
lug it when it was, would take up the business.—
He however could wish his Honourable ,FrienA
not to trust to. so frail a reed. The commuta-
tion of tithes was a-measureinuch wanted iu En z.,
land.ercii, but it was much' more wanted in Tre-
land. The most beneficial ellects .uniformly re,
suited from their commutation. Hel eontende4
that what had been said of Mr. Morgan, was not
only justified by the documents produced, but
that it was the duty of the Member who brought
it forward to produce that paper in illustration of
his argument.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL (Sir T. Plomer) ob-
jected to the principle of the Bill, as it might
go to the exemption from all small tithes. The
precedents which had been quoted, he contended,
did not apply to the present cane. if e.xemr-
tions, had in any instancebeeu made which were
universally condemned, such ought not. to be fol-
lowed, as forming a precedent of wrong.
Lord JOCELY J, among the papers he had re-
ceived frOm Mr. Morgan,. had an affidavit from an
agent employed. by Mr. Morgan in collecting the
tithes, which stated, that •on a valuation ,of the
lands .held by the farmers being made, Mr. Mor-
gan had often struck off one-fourth of what was
his due, and soitietines much inure. He had al-
towed flleui to use the potatoes they wanted for
the support of their families, without taking anY.
account of them, or making any cr,re—and had
in no instance prevented their using their early
stock.

Mr. WRITLREAD (Ud not find that the paper'
which had been reld et) a.iornier night., was stated
by Mr. Morgan to bea for,rery • and that admit-
to be genuine, ,the affidavit just produced aid
not. at all alter the c:,3e.

Lord GASTLVItEAgIi Undenitood Mr. Morg.nn t/
derty-tlwfact•s-et fuel io that paper, in the moit
ctirect ntalnier possibil. With respect to whit
lilidbeen said of hfs .up this subject in
next Session of Parliainent, he thought it -was nfit
fairly to.he expOted thatihe should do sy, as lle•
had said he could devit;e no satisfactory re!neZY,,,,
for the•existing.evil
_the Honourable•Geutierain,
would therefore not -Withdraw `his motiops with
such an understanding.
M. WHITBREAD thought the t-eneral answer of. I
Mr. Morgan did not Contradict,tlie particular fact-
Unless it was denied that the paper iA;bicii had
been produced genuine, the. fact stated therein.
could not .be invalidated..

Lord CASTLEREAGII observed,
.that Mr. Morgan
had denied the fact.

M. WHITBREAD asked, if he' had stated tllc
paper to be forgery ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH, cou:Al not say that he hUd _
done that.
Mr. PARNELL spoke at some length in favour a.
the Bill: He intended next Session, to move a de;
claratory resolution of the expedieney of a genc;-41
commutation of tithes.. If that met with the
ar;
probation cf the House, he should bring in a Nl'
or gills to carry it into effect. His plan was, that
a general assessment should be Made of all pro--
perty by a Commission, and that it should be ar,
tempted.to commute tithes for land.—He should
propose that Commissioners should be appointed t°'
purchase land, and that Government should ad"
vance , money necessary for that purpose. ' The
practical operation of these regulations would
In the first place, to get rid of the great grievance
at present complained of, and in the next place tP,
.secure to each individual a pa.rticipatio;i of equo
rights.
Mr. HuME supported the Bill.
cl
The SFEAKEII put .the question, that the lico-
r
" now" stand part of the question, which 045
negatived.
'He then put the amended question, 1",1153t
the Bill be read a second time 'this day qlr°
months.."
The question was carried, and of course the
Bill is lost. Adjourned at Eleven O'Clock.

• • .• 1111 M-IS,
At 11foccas Court, F3ere4adshife, Lady Ifereford, of a s°t3'i
,Yestorda-y, in York-pla::.e, L Lady uk .enteuant-Colu`'
Wheatley, of the 13t Itegialetit Livards; of a. Dau4hter•