The Sun.
London, England, 1841-04-20 00:00:00

have asked many questions, the strict and laudable
propriety of the conduct which they have pursued in
this instance will be generally acknowledged in the coun-
try. The " Liberal Friendly Brothers" is a Society
composed exclusively of Protestants, and latterly this
Mr. Elliott has, on all occasions and in all places,
announced himself a Socialist—mnploying whatever
arguments he could command in circulating the perni-
cious principles which he had adopted. Even if the
consideration were to be confined to a view of the rule
requiring the members to be Protestants, no doubt
could exist as to the right of expulsion when any mem-
ber ceased to entertain Protestant doctrines. But, un-
fortunately, the consideration was of a much more en-
larged character—for the principles which be had pro-
mulgated were adhorrent to the feelings of every
Christian, as they were subversive of all moral and
social obligations.
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Mr. M'Donogh (to the complainant)—How long have
you been a member of the society ? About 12 years.
Were you a Protestant when you joined it ? Yes
I was.

Are you not now what is called a Socialist ?—Not
altogether. I have read a great number of their tracts,
and approve of some of them.

By virtue of the oath you have taken (if you place
any value upon it), are you not a Socialist in principle,
and have you not been endeavouring to spread the
opinions of that wretched sect partly believe in
Socialism.

Pray, favour us with those parts in which you con-
cur ?—lt is my opinion that every one should assist
in the amelioration of the condition of mankind, and
that for that purpose there should be self-supporting
institutions, which would abolish poverty, vice, and
lawyers.—(A laugh.)
Then, I suppose, you would have a community of in-
terest and property ?—Yes, certainly.
Then your view is that the entire property of the
country should form a common stock, to which all the
members should have an equal right ?—Yes ; each per-
son to labour and work for the community, so that
there would be no poverty.
I think you said you would not have any lawyers ?
No more I would not.

Well, now, perhaps your objection would extend to
kings and queens. \Vould there be any occasion for
such characters ?—I don't think there would be any use
for them.

Nor for Lords either, I suppose ?—Certainly not.
You would abolish them ?—No, I would not ; I
would bring the peasant up to the Peer, and not the
Peer down to the peasant.
Why, do you mean that you would have us all
Lords ?—No, I do not ; but merely that all should la-
bour and contribute to the common support.
Would you have Magistrates, Judges, or laws ?—No ;
there would be no occasion for them.
Thea if a felon committed a murder, how would you
deal with him P—l would confine him.
Why, surely, you could not do that, as there would
not be either laws or judges ? The millennium would
commence, and mankind would be under the govern-
ment of their understAnding and" intilligence." His" in-
tilligince" would be the regulating principle of his mind
and actions.

Alderman TrismAL—This is really a disgraceful and
horrifying exhibition. Enough has transpired to war-
rant -the Magistrates in refusing to interfere.
Ediott—You may call it disgraceful, but I glory in
the principles. All I want is the law to be adminis-
tered.

Mr. HITCHCOCK concurred with his brother Magis-
trate in saying the exhibition was most disgusting and
disgraceful. The conduct and opinions of the com-
plainant rendered it imperative in the Magistrates to dis-
miss the case. lie hoped the press would give every
publicity to the prtceedings.
Mr. M‘Donogh—Publicity will effect much good,
and exhibit in their proper point of view the doctrines
which the unfortunate man had g:ven expression to. It
was °Wow: persecution never had any influence i❑
checking opinions, no matter how bad or monwrous
they might be, but quite the reverse. It often secured
sympathy where disgust and contempt would other-
wise have been created. The followers of such miser-
able opinions frequently courted persecution as the
means of gaining an infamous notoriety.
Mr. Barrett (the President of the Society) said that
Elliott had declared before the society that if he had
the riches of Rothschild, or the eloquence of Pitt, he
exert both to their utmost extent in circulating
his opinicns.
The complaint was then dismissed.

SHIPPING INTELLIGENCE.
(LLOYD'S.)
VESSELS SPOKEN WITH.-The Barque, John, on the
2th, lat. 49, lon. 14: Barque Hibernia, 13th, lat. .50,
on. 11., by the Golden Fleece, arrived at Liverpool.
ER% Rolla, 15th Feb., off Princes; Tuscan, Bordeaux,
o Bahia, 15'h ult., lat 7 N., lon. 25 W.; Manley, 4th
oat., lat. 40, lon. 29 ; Chalks Carroll, Havre to New
York, 10th, lat. 47, lon. 19; Hibernia, bound to Mirami-
chi, 13th, let. 49, lon. 13, by the Heywood, arrived at
Liverpool. Cambysea, from Calcutta, 7th inst., off the
Western talands, by the William li sell, arrived at
Liverpool. Flowers of Ligie, bound to Calcutta, 6th inst.,
!at 44, lon. 12; Carib, bound to Demerara, 31st ult., Lit.
38, lon. 15, by the Hinda, arrived at Liberpool. Speedy
packet, Jersey to the Canaries, lat. 43, lon. 10, by the
Union, arrived off Berry Head. Parga, Smyrna to Lon-
don, 7th ult., off Girgenti ; Breeze, Venice to London, 2d,
off Cape Espiehd : Herald, Clyde to Sydney, New South
Wales,llh, 1at.47, lon. 12, by the hit, arrived at Liverpool.
Pacific (whaler), 14th inst., lat. 48, lon. 9; Mermaid,
Liverpool, to Constantinople, 14th inst. ; Garland, Lon-
don to Newfoundland, 15th inst., lat. 50, lon. 7., by the
Racer, arrived in the Downs. Rainbow, Portsmouth, to
Quebec, 13th inst., lat. 47, long. Is, by the Sphemitl,
arrived at Portsmouth. Great Britain, of GI eenoek, 13th
inst., let. 47, lon. 12, by the Competitor, arrived at Fat_
mouth. George, London to Quebec, 12th inst., lat. 41,
lon. 6, by the Caroline, arrived at Falmouth. Schooner
Salamanca, 9th inst., off Cape Santa Maria; barque Vic-
toria, of Hull, 17th inst., 60 miles south of the Lizard, by
the Braganza, arrived at Southampton. Neva, Liverpool
to New York, 12th inst., lat. 51, lon. 12, by the Henry
Bell, arrived at Cork. Eleanor, Dublin, to Quebec, 13th
inst,, It.' 50, lon. 13, by the Caroline, a-rived at Cork.
A brig from Sierra Leone, Bth inst., by the Row-
land Hill, arrived at Cork. Thomas Galston, bound
to London, 15th February, lat. 35, lon. 23 ; Oriental
Dixon, of Liverpool, for the river Plata, 17th ult., lat. 3, lon.
20; Breadalbane, bound to Mauritius 19th, lat. 6, lon. 21 ;
Dutch ship Lucie, 12th inst., lat. 48, Mauritius,
8, by the Bueepha-
las, arrived in the River. James, Liverpool to Sydney, Ist
Feb., lat. 19,10 n. 29 ; H.M.S. Pearl, 9th, lat. 8, lon. 34; Lord
of the Isles, of St. Andrew's, 2d ult., lat. 22, lon. 55, by the
Benjamin, Rush, arrived at Rhode bland. Chieftain, Lewis,
16th Dec., in Timor Straits, with SOO barrels ; Pallas and
Eliza Ann, both from Cork to North America, 12th, lat. 47,
lon. 17, by the Millman, arrived at Cork. Canton, Liverpool
to St. John's, New Brunswick, with cargo shifted, 29th ult.,
lat. 51, lon. 17, by the Coronation, arrived at Hull. Hindoo,
from London, running up Storm Bay, 9th Dec. ; Coeur de
Lion, bound to China, 9th Feb., off Rio Janeiro ; Jamaica,
from Liverpool, lat. 49, lon. 14, by the Emu, arrived off Ply-
mouth. Nailer, Newcastle to Malta, Ist inst., off Gibraltar,
by the Hamilla Mitchell, Gemmell, arrived at Gibraltar. Cla-
rissa Andrews, Hull to New Orleans, 12th ult,, lat. 24, Ion:
82, by the Mary Ann, arrived at Boston.

EDITORIAL TROUBLES.—The editor of the
New York Commercial Advertiser makes the following
apolcgy for the non-appearance of its usual commercial
remarks and market iatelligence During the week
many of us were detained from duty by severe indisposi-
tion. One who attended t 3 the advertising department
was detained at home by this cause; the person who at-
tends to the marine department was kept away by having
three of his family down with the scarlet fever, one of
whom died. On Saturday morning, one of us who attends
to tLe stocks and money matters was confined to his bed
during the day. The one who takes care of the office as
usual, at nine o'clock, was called away to take leave of his
father, who was supposed to be dying. Another, who left
his family, as he supposed, well, early in the morning,
was notified at nine o'clock that since he had left home
his infant child had died. In addition to this four com-
positors were absent on account of illness."

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A course of conduct has been adopted by the
Spanish Government towards the British sailors employed
during the late war which would appear very singular,
were not the disposition of the Spaniards to avoid paying
claims of any kind, when they can avoid it, too notorious to
excite wonder. A short time ago, it will be remembered,
a difficulty was thrown in the way of the holders of " ti-
tulos" granted to the military claims, and an evasive pre-
text was adopted by the Spanish Government, according
to which it was held to be a mere encouragement of usury
and oppression to pay those who had purchased " titulos',"
although they had the sanction of the Government for
making their purchase, and the payment of original holders
alone was considered to be just. This strange doctrine, al-
though it found its admirers even in this country, was, how-
ever, found too untenable to be persisted in, and as it was
soon clearly seen that the real end of this pretended justice
was to diminish the number of claims, it was very
properly given up. The military " titules" are there-
fore regularly paid, whether presented by the
original holders or the transferees,
.provided the
litter have the vathority of an endorsement. With
respect, however, to the seamen who were concerned in
the same war, and whose services in conveying troops in

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the steam-vessels and in embarrassing the enemy, were
most important, the case is widely different, and their
claims aro altogether unheeded. Here the distinction is
not between original holder and transferee, but all fare
alike; and when tho instrument entitling the holder to
receive the value of his cleim, viz., a bill drawn by the
former Spanish Ambassador upon end accepted by the
Treasury, is presented for payment, it is dishonoured,
without any pretext whatever, and the consequence is that
while the military " titulos" are sold at 70 per cent., these
bills only obtain 30. The principle is precisely the same
in both cases, and it is said that on the applicction of onco
the holders, General Alava fully admitted the justice of
the claim and referred it to hi; Gavernment. Nothing,
however, has been done, nor has any ohjcc:ion been offerrd.
Indeed, it appears that in the case of claims on the Pe.
ninsular Governments the admission cf a principle by a
debtor is little or no progress towards the satisfaction c,f
the claims ; but that to admit, and not to act, is a constant
practice,— Times.
DEATH FROM I 1 NOR AND SPELL.---011
Wednesday last an inquest w:s held at the house of Mr,
Joshua Rhodes, White Swan Inn, Birmingham, before Mr,
Jewition, Corcncr, on vice of the body of Martha Lister,
a-`-)7e-Ifi,e years. The decealed was on Monday last watch-
her skup,
Ing her brother playing at knor and spell, when ho acci-
deutly struck her on the heed with ;he sfek, and fractured
She died almost instantly. Verdict—Acciden.
dal death.--Leeds Times.;