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Nrajoriry
Adjourned at One o'Clock this Morning.

HOUSE OF COMMONS. •
Mr. M. A. TAY -Lott, xvith the le.ive of the
noose, withdrew thell.for the betterjtegulat-
log and,Paving the Streets of the Metropolis, in
conscT:eure ut its having been reolred yester-
day, at a ;Veering of all the Parishes in the Me-
tropolis, by deputarion, to meet early ill the
rno,“ b of November next, for the purpose of pre-
pati:ig a 13111 for the remedy of the evil, to be in-
troduced early next Session.
Lord C A sTLEREAca Lid before the House the
sub3tance of the Trcaty of Alliance between his
"Majesty and the Emperors of Russia ;Ind Austria,
and the Ki-g ofPrussia, signed on the.2.)th of March
last at Vienna, and a Memorandum declaring the
understanding of his Majesty's Go:Tim-meta re-
kpecting the Bth Article of-the said Treaty, dated
Foreign OiEce,--3th April, 1815.
The Report of the Scotch Commi,sary. Coort I; z 5 taken
into consideratioa. Tilird reading to.-M' orrnw.
The ScGtch Niad-htkose Bill WaS read 'a. second time. 'Tin;
Scocotctc h Hawh Recor
ersd Lin wasg t•ead a third time, and
Passed..lThe
Tburstia.y next.
Sk' Bill read a second time. Win e. -atitteeu'a
•
Lord NI.:(IENT postponed to Friday- next, theJnotion for
referring to a-Conuontee the Papers presented by .t he Post-
tmiee, on the subject of the Montagne and Peibant packets
Tr

OP VIENNA.
11. WHITBRF.AD, alluding to the Pape'
u s
lately
pro:ticed by a Noble Lord (Castlereag D
h),
cutler! to recapitulate the SW*. ta nee. of the eal_
*ration on the part of Iris Majesty's Government,
respecting the Sill article of the Ti7caty of Vienna.
That article was declared to be understood as•
binding on. the contracting parties,, for the con-
certing and carrying-into execution such nixasures
as miSlit nwst eliectually conduce to the over-

ivcration. -It would be doing great Injustice to
Lord William Bentinck to suppose that Officer
liad been wanting in good faith. The tact was,
in no Instance had any pledge given by the
Governmeot been violated. The Government
of Genoa, after the French were expelled, be-
came provisional, and instructions were sent to
Lord W. Bentinck to explain to the inhabitants
that they were not to consider it permanent. The-
eon•equence of that understanding was, that they
bent a Minister to Congress, with instructions as
to t terms on which the annexation of tienoa to
:73arOinia was to hr effected

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Lord STANTfIun said,. the Noble Earl had en--
•• ileavntredJustifyhithself and
_his colleagues
against a breach of faith.
.Lord Boßitits:GnoN ,defended the conduct cif
Li.n-d W. Bentinckotncl observed, that he was
,perFTnaded all that had been done by that Noble
•-Lfzi;?was from the. purest motives.
Matquis of - LANsDowNE said; he was
bound to concur in the resolution of his Noble
Friend; His Lordship contended,. at .considerable
length, that. the faith . of the country had been
• -
-broken.
Thc Earl of ITArtnourßY replied to the argu-
',ltems of the- last Speaker, defended the proceed-
ings -of C(ln.,,ress, and slimed from a•Note ad-
dressed to Count Woeonzow, by Mr: Pitt, in
1805, that the cession of Genoa to Sardinia, was •
in conformity with the views of that great States-
man. -

Lord ST. Joutt supported the motion.
Lord GRENVILLE supported the resolutions on
three ground,; first, because he thought authori-
ty had beet( given Lord Wm. Benttnck to make
promises to the peoplt of Genoa ; secondly, that
such promises were made ; and thirdly, because
the promises were.. acted on.- The Noble Bsron
dep-recate,l the power aSsuirtcd by Lord Castle-
reagh at the Congress, as bci4g unconstitutiooal,.
and contrary to the, Old Statutes, which provide
that it it a crime to appniach Royal power. lie
considered the conduct of the British Minister at,
the Congress that approach to Royal power which
the Statute provider! against.
The Earl of WEsTmonELAND defended the melt.,
'sure of sending Lord Castlereagh to the Congress,
and contended, the case of Genoa was not different
Irom that of any othereonquered country.
Earl GREY observed, that ail -that had fallen
from the Noble Earl went to prove, that Lord
W. Bentinck had no authority to call upon the •
Genoese to assert their rights : but, on the con-
trary, he (Earl Grey) maintained that Lord W.
13ewhich's conduct in issuing the proehtmation
the instructions of the
was perfectlyjustified hy
Executive Government at home. He, had heard
that Alexandria, in Italy; bad been given to
Austria—(Lord Liverpool signified this was not
the fact)—but he ;vas glad to hear the Noble
Earl deny it. It would-be better for Genoa to be
independent, than joined to Piedmont. The
principle of a repattitiou of military riii.rer,
as it was called, tvonld be proved.to he a very er-
roneous one. Genoa formed one of the strongest
barriers against France, and therefore little could
be said for the argument,- that the British Minis-
ter had been supported in what he had done by ,
whet- Ministers, particularly by Prince Benevento,
for the King of France. To place Genoa in its
rj,cesent
Would be to wrest it from it. •
'The Earl of Livr.Rpoot. answered the several
objections urged against Miusters upon this sub-
, ject.. tie denied .chat the Proclamation of Lord
Bentinck jostitied the construction that had
been put upon it; but even allowing, for the mo-
, them, that it did, it was-a conditional Offer made
to the Genoese, the terms of which .they had not
and therefore it conic! not he; binding
upon the party that made it. It had been said
that Mr. Pitt would not hate dealt so by (enoa ;
but that Genoa was entitkd to nothing mare than
shalt justice, had been distinctly rceoLfniscd
iu
the coatitions•under the a lISpiCCS of Mr. Pitt, and
the Noble Lord opposite (Weilcsl4): It was
important to enable the Power that is 'to cover the
Alps to do it effectually, by giving her a portion
of the sea coast of Italy. The Noble Earl con-
cluded an argumentative and eloquent, speech, by
eeC
observing, that uo good grounds had 'been, or
could be made for the motion.
atq
;us of BucKiNonAm replied,r
aiter
which a division took place.

•
• Mr. WHITBIIt;AD said this was a most mysteri-
ous answer.—His qncstion- was as plain as. it could
possibly be, -and the Nohie Lord's answer was
equally equivocal. To thtise Members in the
House who were -anxious for war, that answer
would, perhaps, be understood—th:y would, in-
terpret it that war was • unavoidable with Napo_
Icon Buonaparte. ilis friends around flirt might
pia what interpretation on it they thought-fit.
His °Wit interpretation was, -that ivhen the Ad-
dress was moved the matter was as much decided
on as at present ; that then, as well as at preSent,
it was war and not peace ; and he was convitieed
that the war- would haie bt%-n proceeded on be-.
fore now hail -not soMe new circumstance's oc-
enrred which the world were not aware of when
the determiaatiOn was taken ; and that it was
hoped that these difficulties would .yet he got over
and the contract be fulfilled. He could not alink
nt letting the matter rest on such an answer. He
should certainly some day this week- take the sense
of the Uonse on the subject of the papers before
the House.

labri. CASTLEIZEAGII said ifebe fitmourable Gen.
nrai on yto give notice of Ins InOtion:- --•
Mr. Witt-r;:,NBAD afterwards 'gave nntiee that
on Friday next he should bring forward a motion
on the State of ih;:t Nation, involving the fines-
tion of peace or war. •

I)EBTS.

Mr. TtgatiEr said, 'he undt•rStood that his na-
jeseti,'s Ministers had intimated an intention o,
relieving: Russia of a debt of bet weeo two aa d
three tnillions lie wished to know whether fin'
engagement had actually been entered' into with
Russia, fur transferring to this Country the burden
of a debt contracted by her ?
Lord CAs-rt.ea EAGH declined giving any answer
with respect to ;any engagements %vial Foreign
. Powers, not -in it state to be submitted.. to the
House. There was it understanding that some
compensation should be made to:Holland for the
Colonies given tip by that country.
Mr. TIERNEY said he was not asking any ques.
tion with regard to the war hanging over us, but
with
.respect to a transaction which had. taken
place; as be was informed, Sonic time ago, and
which he believed Was binding on all parties,
that
this country should be subjected to an incumbrance
of two and a half millions. He was 'not alnaking
of Holland. Ile would ask the House it they were
disposed to allow two and .a
half millions to be
taken from .the people of this country for the
sake of being paid into the Treasury of Russia ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH suggested to the Rightllfin.
Gentleman the propriety bringing forward a Mo-
tion out the subject, it he was not satisfied with
his answer.
• • Mr. TIERNEY asked him in good faith and can.
dour. to tell the 'louse if such an arrangement had
been agreed on. Ile did not ask for the produc-
tion of arty Treaty if it was not ratified. All he
a•eked was; whether this subject was embodied in
any engagement ?-
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, no eng-agentent had
been entered into in which the interest of this
country was not fully consulted.
The Report of the Itcsointions of the Navy
Estiinates was brought up and agreed to.
11.1 r. ARBUTH NOT Went
_into 'his promised ex-
-planation of several articles of expenditure relit_
ing to Ambassador's, Messengers; &c, The, total
enarge for Messengers in 1812 was 29,500 L, in
1813 it was 31,5001., in 1814,, 54,0001. In ad-
,dition to thesum already voted for Messengers,, au
additional stun had been kiken from the. Army Es-
,t imates. It was necessary last year to have a great
number of Alt ssengers who went -to and from the
different-arinies. This 54,0901, was- only paid to
the King's Messengers, who were about 30 in
number. With res'pect to -the accounts of our FO
-
reign Ministers, orders had been sent out to ali•
of theta to keep items of their accounts in future.

SUBSIDIES. , .
Mr. PONSONBY understood that on the Bth in-
stant, authority Irrid been sent to the-Earl of Chin-
carry, to sign subsidiary Trgatie,:i wirli the Allies.
Ile wished•to know the amount 'of these engage-
nients, and wbether Lord Clancarty lid- acted

throw of tuonft part e, bat not for prosecuting the
war for the purpose of imposing on France any
particular Government. Was he to understand
then, that the war was to be conducted against
Napoleon Buonaparte personally, that no peace
could be made with personally, and that so
Icing as he was at the head of the conecnis of
France, no peace could ever be made with: that
--country ?
• Lord CASTLERE.AGII in a. much lower tone than
usual, said, if we tunterstood him right, that the
object of the Treaty was certainly Neat- against
• :,,Ertionartretel.trtit that it would only be binding on
the parties so long as .they chose to have it
binding.
Mr. WHyrnnEAD said nothing could be plainer
than his qu'estiOn, and nothing mote obscure and
'unsatisfactory than the answer of the Noble Lord.
Was lie to understand that it was. impossible for
war to be avoidedLi the part of, the country With
• .Napoleowßuonaparte exercising the power and
Government of France ?
Lord LASTLE•dEAGH said in the same low tone,
that the object. of the engagement was certainly to
:provide against the power of Buonaparte by
making war upon him. It was for the Honourable
Gentleman, if lie chose, to form his own eotielu-
Sion, Whether such airengagement wits incompa- -
tible with making peace with him or not.
. Mr.WirmittEAn felt himself as much as ever at ,
a loss with the answer of the Nohletord. When
the Address was inured, it was stated that there
was an alternative of war or peace ; and even
down to the present time, except' from an occa-
sional !oose or iinginn.ded expression which drop-
ped from one or other of the friends of the Noble
Lord, nothing had ever been stated to the House
to induce them to think that there was not still an
oternative. Ile believed 'it to be understood by
those present in the House, who had no suspicion
of any delusion, that there was a possible alterna-
tire in the existing state of things of war or peace
with France. Now how could this. be reconciled
with the Treaty and explanation on the Table ?
Lord CASTLEREAGH said, lie conceived he bad
sufficiently answered the question already. He',
left the probability entirely with the Honourable
Member.