The Sun.
London, England, 1841-03-16 00:00:00

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QCHW EPPE'S SODA AND POTASS
WATERS.—The Public are respectfully cautioned
against imitations of the above celebrated articles, unprincipled
persons Schweppe's bottles with a spurious c ,mpoiition
and palming it upon consumers as Schweppe's manufacture.
N-ne is genuine without a " red" label over the cork, repre-
senting the Royal Appointment on the centre, and the signa-
ture of their firm on each side.
Their celebrated LEMONADE is equally protected by a
yellow label on the Bottle.
SCHWEPPE'S LIQUID MAGNESIA for Cure of
Gout, Heartburn, &c., continues in great demand, and may
be had, wholesale, in London, at No. 51, Berners-street ;
Sutton and Co., Bow-church-yard; Barclay and Son, Far-
ringdon-street ; Evan Edwards and Thomas Butler, St.. Paul's-
church-yard : and, retail, by all respectable Chemists and Pa-
tent Medicine Venders, in Bottles at Is., 2s. 6d., 4s. 6d., and
10s. each.

PEPTFORD ANTI-CORN-LAW AS-
SOCIATION.

ADDRESS TO THE PUBLIC.
In a district were the eye can hardly open without f.ll-
- on some token of commercial enterprize or maritime
industry, it cannot be accesaary to go at gr a*. length into
the impolicy of laws whose object is to prohibit foreign
trade, and limit the resources of the country to what can
be raised upon a restricted supply of f sod.
Our fathers had liberty to trade, and they becime rich
and p)werfal. Their descendants fee prevented by I ;
can it be wondered if distress i in their c )unting,r-houses
and in their fam lie, and there is a general complaint of
the hardness of the times?
'she purpose of the Corn-laws is simply to prevent the
food and employment of the onentry f..om being increased
by foreign trade ; in order that each of U 5, in our several
departments, may be obliged to offer more hours of our
labour for a given vantity of cora, or accept less corn
from the owners in return fur a given portion of our ;dine
and toil.
If we were obliged to ray hot-house prices for wine
made at home, instead ef bLi•ig rermitted the exercise of
foreign trade as the mcans of bridging it from Oporto, the
injury would be of the name kind as now, only with the
diffeaenee of being transferred to a luxury instead of a lint
necessary of existence.
But the evil has gore on so lung, and such large and
influential classes are re;:eii,ingr gains from the destruc ion
of our foreign trade, that nothing but the popular agitation
of the question presents any chance of success.
And the que,tion, in fac', is thiv—ls foreign trade an al.
lowable method of increasing the wealth and happiness of
the nation ;or arc the proprietors of tl.e water-borne and
cammio-cial privieges which Nature intended to c )nfer, to
see their property confiscated and their means of enjoy-
ment from it annihilated, to please the wild theorists who
maintain that all property should exist only as it is sub-
servient to the interests of the proprietors of the external

861?
The Itruggla is between the owners of the soil and tlie
owners of the shores, of the waters, of the shini, g, and of
the commercial and manufacturing capabditie3 of the
country. It is not the list who want to oppreis the first ;
but the first who declare that they cannot enjoy their own,
udess they arc tliowei to add to it the oppression of the

o hem
This clitim is what the inhabitants of ow land, so highly
farc,iiie Iby nature and so sorely depics:c by law, are
uniting to oppose and to repel ; and to tais obje .t it is
that the Members of the Ant'-Coro-Law Association in
Dep f ird, within their particular sphere, request the assie-
anee of their fellow-citizens and of the public.
The Deptf.rd Anti-C.rn-law Association is formed for
the purpose of diffusing information upon the injurious
operation of the Corn-laws, by means a printing, 1 .c-
-tures, public meetings, &e. An annual subsciiption of
one shilling constitutes a meu.ber. Member's cards may
be obtained at the following places:—Mr. Peppercorn,
Broadway, Deptford; Mr. G. Wade, Ifigh-st,,et ; Mr.
Edwards, High street.

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THE DEAF AND DllMB.—Sevcrai gentlemen,
who had occasional opportunities of witnessing D. Turn-
bull's treatment of the deaf and dumb at Glalcow, observ-
ing attacks made on the system in Vie Glasiow news-
papers, have made a thorough investigation into the effect
of the treatment of the patients under his care at Glasgow,
and also into the allusions made to eases of individuals
sent from the West of Scotland, to consult him in London.
A pamphlet, stating the result, has just Lea publishel,
from a wish on the part of these gentlemen to make known
the truth in a matter in which it appears to them there
has been much misrepresentafon. Though there were
several instances of failure, a number of cases completely
succeeded as attested by tea individual,, three of whom
are clergymen resi?.ing in the ne'ghbourhood. The pam-
phlet also contains some letters from the relations of
pat Bets, stating, in most instances, f tvourable results.
We have room only for the following extract from a least-
of the Res. Dr. M'Kinlay, of Kilmarnock, on the suh-
ject, dated June 11, 1840, addreised to a fiend :—" The
account which was published in The Sun newspases, of
the ewes tifected on Margaret Shields and Mary Wilson,
two deaf and dumb girls sent up to Dr. Turnbull, under
the care of a confidential relative, is substantially cor-
rect. Ha had, prior to this, cured two deaf men from this
place, and it was this fact that induced me to scud up t 3
him the above named girls, one of them a harper, and the
oth, r a daughter of a smell farmer in my parish. They
1, ft this en the V. of May, and of er rem miring in Lo id, n
about a fortnight under the cars: of the D.,ctor, in turned to
this place in possession of hewing distine.ls, and continue
to hear ever since. They arc now sp a',i :g slitatt words
after hearing them pronounced by others, and one of them
is learning the alphabet, and putting letters ingest'', r, that
she may be Wight to read as well as to speak. These
I are the facts of the case on which you may rest with con-
fidence."
THE FRENCII STAGE.—Wito among Euto-
pean play-goers of tho last qtErter of a century has not
heard at least, and many must have seen with de ight, that
most intellectual and classical of French comedials, Fleury,
the Munden, Fawcett, and Farrea, all io ore, cf. thi Co-
medic Francaise. Few, however, are aware that. Fleury
has written two volumes of highly entertaining memoirs of
himself and his hilt; ionic conternporar:e., and that they
are on the point of appearing in an English dress, under
the appropriite editorship of Mr. Theodore Hook, with
many humorous and illustrative notes from that gentleman's
fertile and ever active pen. We anticipate one of the most
entertaining books of the kind that has seen the I glit since
Cibber's Apology, and a work with iofini e!), more stamina
in it than that clever and characteristic but e9xeomica-lpro-
ductian ; for Fleury was hand and glove with all the choice
spirits of the latter end of the last century, and we under-
stand his volumes teem with anecdotes of them all.
DEATH OF THE EARL. OF ROTHES —We
regret to learn by a letter from Fife that the Esrl of
Rothes died on Wednesday, at ',esti e House, after a short
illness. His Lordship was born November, 1809, arid
succeeded his mother, tic late Countess of R. thus, in
1819. He matnie I in 1834 Louisa, third daughter of
Colonel Morshead, by whom he had a daughter and son,
George William Evelyn Leslie Leslie, now in his seventh
year, and who succeeds to the honours and estates of the
fouily,—/Veshire Paper.

The Earl of ROSEBERY presented a petition to the
same effict from a parish in the county of Stirling.
Messengers from the Commons brought up certain
Bide which were read a first time.
The Copyhold Enfranchisement Bill was real a third
time and passe 1.
Tee Earl of WARWICK presented a petition
from the Magistrates and inhabitants of the hundred of
Woking, in Warwickshire, signed by upwards of
15,000 persons, comp', lining of the great hardship in-
flitted on them by the present state of the law, by
which they were compelled to pay their share of the
rates levied, is make good the -damage done
during the Birmingham riots, and praying that some
measure might he introduced regulating these maters
for the future.
The Marquis of NORM ANI3Y said he had not
long since received a depot ition on the subject from
Woking, and he admitted the hardship of the case ; at
the same time it wa:not possible to originate any measure
for remedying the grievance in their Lordships' House,
but any measure on that subject must originate in the
other House of Parliament.
The Bishop of EXETER presented a petition from
the Bath Church of England Lay Association pray-
ing for Church Extension ; aeso another petition
from the same body against any grant to the
Collese of Maynooth else another peftion, to
the same effmt, from Norton-Fitzwarren ; also a peti-
tion from the clergy of Ephia, prayingnebeie li orceelieps.
to address her 111.1. sty, bcscechimt, ber;.to':refose, the
Royal assent to the Ordinance of the Seminary of San
Salpice.
The Earl of CLARE presented a petition from the
clergy of the dioceses of Bangor and St. Asaph. against
the proposed union of those two sees.
LORD KEANE.
Lord Keane's Annuity Bill passed through Com-
mittee.
Lord FITZGERALD moved that a message be
sent to the House of Commons to request a copy of
the evidence taken before the Committee on the Copy-
right of Designs.—Ordered.
ST. SULPICE.
The Bishop of EXETER then said he rose in ac-
cordance with the notice which he had given. It
would be in their Lordships' recollection, that when he
had first brought this matter before them, he had said
that he should simply state the reasons which had
struck his mind in fevour of the petition, and of the
objects to which tie petitioners looked. If on
that night he had experienced any grave oppo.
sition, he should have delibe ated ling with him-
self before he took the decisive step he had taken
on giving notice of this motion. But when he found all
he had to say upon the subject was commented upon by
the Noble Viscount near him (Lord Melbourne) in a
manner, which with the utmost rispect for his high
tektite, lie (the Bishop of Exeter) must frankly
say seemed to him to be no answer at all—when
he (the Bishop of Exeter) also found the incalculable
weight and vast import ince that was given to the
statements and arguments he had then propounded by
the noble declaration oldie Noble Duke ( Wellington),
a declaration that lie was strongly opposed to this the
filet attempt to break in upon the P.-etc-welt con-
stination of this country, and upon the princi-
ples of the Reformation ; and when he (the Bishop
of Exeter) found that the noble sentiment of that
illustrious mats was echoed throughout the em-
pire by almost every honest Protestant within it, he
felt he had no other course to pursue, and he at once
announced that he would bring the subject before the
House, in the way of which he had gitea notice, and
which he now presented bimselt to do. And yet,
while he frankly confessed that he was greatly encouraged
by the circumstances he had mentioned—while he was
greatly encouraged by the ardent assurances of sym-
pathy he had received from Noble Lords on the subject
of this motion—while he was urged to this measure by.
those and other circumstances, even so late as the
very day for which he had given notice of his motion,
remarks had reach( d his ears, remarks which he could
net walk through the streets without hearing, that all
that sympathy was misapplied, that it was all mistaken,
that he (the Bishop of Exeter) was wrong, and that
he should be treated as if he were wrong. He had
beard all this ; and he frankly wowed he sewed in
consequence. before , their Lordshipe with feelings
of great difficulty, much dishearteeed, much discour-
aged, almost discomfited. NeverthelWee, he felt that
he had a duty to perform to the Protestants of this
great empire, and, at the same time, a duty to himself,
from which he would not shrink, however painful it
might be. The discussion of that night was greatly
simplified by an admission which seemed univer-
sally made that the ecclesiastics of St. Selpice
had no legal claim to the endowment which this ordi-
nance, if it were not dissliowed, would bestow upon
them. The claim of legal right was utterly withdrawn,
and in lieu of it another claim was see up—an equitable
claim—a claim not of legal equity, but of equity
founded, t would seem,uponf .e sufferance of Government
during the list 70 years, and upon various engagements
bseasiittcflo.olwinnas.editd beeTernaefittbiairlteemi
ysa,uodrfwbeieribacayttni
sufferance
ein issh. differentao(ridinai:oNalttni
the
exiesi :ineitorer
ss7it,
pwtworhi irgclooihvus eeittd partly,lvt
somes
place, by the statute of Quebec ; and not only
so, because the Crown was not in the habit of consenting
its law officers from time to time, in order that it might
act in defiance of the opinion of its liw officers.
He therefore thought that in every instance where the
Crown was known to have applied to its law officers for
advice on this subject, it was to be considered
that notice was given to this body that the claims
of the Seminary were disilloxed. When the
Noble Lord opposite was Secretary for the Co-
lonies, he directe I Lord Aylmer, then the Go-
ve-nor of C made, to e. t-r into negotiations with the
Seminary, and with all kindness seid, that unless they
aestuted t) the generous terms, which were proposed
to them, he should, however reluctantly, advise the
Crown to aweit its claims. This was not a matter of
light moment. If these were legal claims, or chines
founded in equity, which could not but be yielded to, it
would be necessary to concede the whole, and
to give them ell that was demanded by
them ; but the present ordinance exercised a discre-
tion as to bow much should be conceded. It certainly
gave largely—enormously—far more than, he trusted,
their Lordships would countenance when they heard
the amount. But it did not give all, and by re-
fusing a pact it let in the claims of the Crown. It was
not the Governor alone who had a discretion in this case.
Their Lordships were called on by the Constitution of
the country to exercise their discretion also. He had
now to inform them of the amount of the gift which
was about to be made, and it was the more necessary
that he should do so, because as be had the
honour to inform them on a former occasion, the
Government hal refused in the Council to give
any account of the amount of the property which
this ordinance puts into the possession of the
Seminary. Therefore the petitioners had thought proper
to inform their Lordships, through him, of the amount,
which was in the . whole as much as 260,625/.
'The assessment on the buildings within the city was,
mi-
ttnlillatttice d
toi7eftt)
a,1810t;0*
bauSctur the:
that
generally speaking, below the real value ; it had been
made for the purposes of leeal taxiiteon, and in some
epees was no criterion of the actual worth. The real
value was 26,4001. It was stated that not much
more than one•fourth of the land within the city limits
ewes built upon. A number of valuable buildings
The latter seignory con-
had been erected since 1836, which were not included
in this account. These would make the amount
is).l".lle would not enter into
50,000/. The Rev. Prelate then referred to the value
result watt, that there must he
of the other seignories, which was not as great as
there were two gentlemen
100,0001. more added for the items
had now mentioned. The Noble Marquis but
then is London who would be glad tai be examined at
he could assure hint
thee bar of their Lorilthips' House for the purpose of
sprospmwe rilit'esiycd,h; wouldbe
coriolurathig that stxtement. Tnus they had got a
e
whole of whichicar.)
stun total of 520,000 k On the securities of
the estates in Canada the interest was 6 per cent.
Tine annual
was most munificently given by this ordinance to the-
-It.h
per annum,
uonfi
thhi
be no less thaPnr°3cOce,Ot
Now who were these ecclesiastics ? They were Ro-
mer. Catholic ecclesiastics—that was no reason why
they should be deprived of thedr due—he would not on
ecclesiastics of the Seminary of St. Sulpice.—(
that ground think of asking their Lordships for an ad-
verse vote ; hut it was a reason for calling on the
Leeislature of title Protestant country to consi-
der Lerore they granted so enormous a sum
to support the interests of the Roman Catholic Church
in a country where 30,0001. n-year, large as it was in
Eno-lied, was a sum of most app illing amount. It
was equal to one-third of the revenues of the Lower
Province, the whole of which scarcely exceeded
100,0001. a-year. Were they prepared to give by that
ordinance a sum equal to one-third the revenues of
the Province of Lower Canada, for the purpose of
supportinc, the Roman Catholic religion? Theyshoul-1
will consider before they.conscnted to this ; they should
consider whether it was right to endow this Roman Ca.

t a
the
y inh
u reh such a manner as to make it
richerlc Seminary
nhe c thane of England aid all the other
Protestant Churches in the Colony put together ;
30,000/. was seven times the whole amount given by the
Government for the support of the clergy of Lower
Canada ; 4,000/. a year was the pitiful sum doled
out by too Government to the clergy of Lower C
arid thst was not permanent, but was to
drop off as the individuals receiving it died. Let
them contrast that with the liherel manner in
which it was proposed to endow this Popish
Seminary with 30,000/. a year : it was enahl.ng, them in
future generations to smite the triumph of their
Church. Montreal was a city containing a vast
number of poor. Large numbers of emigrants,
landed there every year from this country and
from Ireland. There were no Poor.laws there
means of ad !viating the distresses of the Poor.
The giving 30,0001. to a body of ecclesiastics to distri-
hie e among such a population was, in fact, enablisig them
to plant the standard of their Church triumphant. They
had not b: en commonly just to the Church of England,
they had not even done that which they were hound to
do by statute law. The law both of England and Ca-
nada was—and instructions to carry that law out were
given to all the Governors of Canada—that the tithes
due to the Protestant clergy should be collected by the
Government and employed in the maiutenance cf the Pro-
testant clergs, and that in all 00503 cf vacancies the
amounts tht,t might accrue should be kept for the m&n-
tainance of tl.:e Protestant ciccg". Now he betic:ed there
was net a single instance in Canada of a cure being le-
gally entitled to the tithes, because there wat not one
who was licensed by the Governor. The result was that
the Protestant eleorey had I)st every shilling of th it
tithes, because the Government ha,: neglected to collect
them. It was impossible to forget he me isure dealt out
to the Church of England—the beggarly sum a lech the
Protestant clergy had received. Let their Lerdsei es recol-
lect it was their sacred duty to support.that Clatorlo. He
grieved to bear ill it a majority of their Lordships in-
tended to vote against his motion, that they woull yield a
reluctant c msent for the purpose of obui,ing other ob-
jects than this ordinance, the result of which wouli
inevitably be to papalize Lower Canad Hear,
hear.) Canada he hat always censic.-el as the right
arra of England, if they thought to peva he it was the best
method of uniting it to Protest int E' gland, let them at
once avow their object. For his part, he felt bound by
the duty he owed to a Higher Power to te.t::st against
any measure 1 kely to produce such an effect. Whwever
might be the right which the Seminary claimed, it could
not claim to he placed upon a better feting than the pa-
rent Seminary stood under the French Crown. The Se-
minary if St. Sulpice at Montreal was an off shoot of the
Seminary of St. Sulpice of P rn. That Seminary was
endowed with the signeurie of Montreal in the year 1667
by letters patent from Lous XIV. The Right Rev. Pro-
late then read the levers patent, from which it appea ed
that the object for which the College was endowed with
the Island of 111 nitreal by Louis XIV. was for the conver.
sion and instruction of the natives in the religion of France.
Such was the state of the Seminary under the French Crown,
and the Crown of France hal the right to 5-e hots the
purposes were fulfilled for which the endowment was
given. Those purposes were not private, they were ge-
neral public purpose;. The object was a great State ob.
ject, the conversion and instruction of the Indians, and
the instruction of the subjects at large of the Fre :ch Crown
in Canada. So that before the conquest of Canada that
Seminary held this prepe ty subject to the duties imposed
upon them by the endowment, and the Crown was em-
powered and bound to see how they discharged those du-
ties. He need not say that when the conquest took place,
the King of England receive I the province of Canada
exactly under the circumstances is which the sovereigoty
of that province had been enjoyed by France. He was
quite awe that none of their Lordships would deny such
was the result of the conquest, and that the right of con-
quest wits, that the conquering Sovereign should succeed
to all the power over the conquered province which had
previously been enjoyed by the former Sovereign. It ap-
peared, therefore, that, by the treaty of peace of 1763, by
which the Province of Canada was cede 1 for ever t o the
Crowe of Great Britain, that all the rights pre-errinences
and authorities, that belonged to the King of France
before the conquest, were conferred by the conquest to
the King of Greet BrAain. Their Lordships would
therefore, see that the Seminary, eves supposing it had
continued, would have beet bound to have dispensed the
vast endowments conferred upon it is the fulfilment of
those great public purposes, the conversion of the Indians
and the instruction of the Christians in that province—they
were bound to do that under the direction of the Crown.
From the circumstances which then, and for mnny years
afterwards, existed in the prosiace, they could not be
surprised teat the King of Fe gland should be very un-
willing to exercise the full right which he had by con-
queet over the Seminary, an I over th! province. They
could not be surprised that he did not immediately
insist upon these revenues being dishensed fir
the conversion of Indians and the instruction
of the natives, recording to the doctines of the Church of
England; yet he had had strictly that right. He CC-1-
tire I to hope that he would be contradicted by more terse
one Noble Lori if he were wrong in that opinion.
Grotius laid it down " That all the rights which were pos-
sessed by the Sovereign hcf re the conquest should he held
by the conqueror, unless, at the tine of cession, those
rights wete 3ieldel on his part." It was the duty of the
Severeign of this country to see that those funds were ap-
plied ie the best manner, according to the solemn obliga-
tions by which he was bound, to the cor.versian of the In-
dians, and for the education of all his subjects in that part
of his dominions. lie was not going to argue now that
the whole funds should be applied to the education of
his Protestant subjects. If the French Church bad
disconnected itself from the Pope of Reme, and after the
example of the Church of England had reformed itself,
whilst the ceeletiesties of St. Sulpice, i-i Paris, were in
actual possession of the property in question, would it not
be the duty of the King of Franca to direct the convent
to apply its prope.ty to the se .vise of the reformed
Church, as hal been" done in this country, where all the
endowments that belonged to the Church of Eegiand
when it was Popish nowhelonged to the Church of Eng-
land, being Protestant and Reformed? Was the right of
the King of England less in the estictation of their Lord-
ships, because he was their own Sovereign, than they
would concede to the King .of France ? lied he not now
the same right over those fends in Canada which the
King of France would have now if the Church in that
country bad become reformed, whilst Canada was in his
possession ? If the opposite doctrine were held, the re-
sult would be that the subjection of Canada to this
Protestant country would preset ve the funds of
St. Salpice for the perpetual sustentation of Popery.
It had been said that this was a question which aphe sled
to their feat,. Within four-and-tvt city hours he had been
reminded of the daeger from excitement if this ordinance
of the Gove nor-General and his Special Council were re.
yoked. lie was not aware that the Governor-General, or
his Special Council, were entitle& in a very eminent de-
gree, to respect. lie had had the satisfaction of hearing
from the Noble Viscount at the head of her Majesty's Go-
vernrneet that no instructions had t=een sent out for the
framing of this erlinance. There was to be an ordi-
nape:, but this particular ordinance was made without the
concurrence of her Majesty's Ministers. But with respect
to excitement, they were told by the B itish interest in
Montreal—that body which, at the hazard of their lives,
had defended the rights of the British Crown—that this
ordinance was v'ewed with gtest dissatisfaction by the
whole of that body. Amongst the petitioners again-t it
were eighteen out of twenty-four of the Magistrates ;
and it had also been opposed by her Majesty's Sol &or-Cc-
neral, and by four Members of the Special Council. It had
been stated to him by two gentlemen of Montreal, that the
tendency of this ordinance was to weaken the attachment
of the British population. There was a strong feeling
on the part of the Protestants that this ordinance dealt
unfairly with them after they had stood by the British
Crown in its danger. In the battalion in which Mr. Mat-
thewsen held a commission as Cap:ain, there certainly
were not more than twenty Ca .wdians, and there were not
now more than ten. Mr. Matthewson said his company
were mere or leas against the ordnance, and he believed
they would be glad if it were disallowed, though under the
influence of the priests they supported the Bill. Ile gave
an instance of this. He said he carried the petition round
his own ward, and on asking a Catholic, who was an
attive Magistrate, and a most loyal man,—one whose
loyalty had exposed him to the threats of the rebels,
and who was a churchwarden of a Catholic church, to sign
it, he sail " You know the situation in which I am placed.
I wish you to go on and prosper. If the petitioners had
a ked the Government to allow something to the Seminary
in consideration of their long possession, I would have
signed the petition." Now, though the petitioner did not
call on the Government to do that, he (the Bishop of
Exeter) was prepared to show from documents that they
were aiding that the Government shoed 1 give them a sum
of not less than 8,000/. aye a sum equal to any they
had received. He thought these authorities were suffi-
cient to outweigh the vague notions which csi,ted in Ems.
land respecting the probahilty of rebellion if ti is ordi-
nance were not passed; It wool 1 seem that the whole
British population considered themselves injure I ; and
well they might, when those who had frankly offered to
shed their blood for us we c to be sacrificed for those who
were the occasion of that sacrifice. Bat this was not the
only authority he had. The f tct was, ono of tee
greatest and most successful iaducements to rebellion
in Canada was, that th wouid get iii of
all seigniorial dues. Such was the effect of this that Mr.
Neelsom attempted to re-excite rebellious fe dings and re-
sistance to the Britieh.Crown, by stating that trey would
thus get rid of seignori I dues.
And yet they were to' d in
that House that if they interfere; betweca the Governor
of Canada and the Crown in this instance, and obtained for
their fellow-Protestants an act of mere jestiee, that then,
forsooth! they would have a fresh rebellion. Expediency
and prudence I while they were considering there, they
seemed to forget that there were other considerations which
were wont to have their weight in a British Radian.ent.
Right and duty used to lee considered of some weight in
their deliberationsi He knew not wheeher the time was
gone by, but if it were, the clsirns of common honesty re-
mained to be preferred, and ought certainly not to be aban-
doned. He (the Bishop of Exeter) repeated, tee funds ahout
to be given by this ordinance were not theirs
to Fv'h
They were already given. They belonged to the
Con-
solidated fund of the province. 13y the of Union,
Act
a
all revenues at the disposal of the Crown were seuccasiee
he
to the Provincial Legislature.
Oa a ferm i..
bad
had shows their Lordship that this .very elm been

stated by the Commissioners, in 1836, as inclued in the
list of those boom, to he Osten ie excbargn for a chit list,
iu the lower province. But it would be said the Commis-
sioners said they were equitably entitled to them. With
all respect for the Commissioners, he must say there was
nothing in this. They hal acted with perfect consistency,
for what had occurred? In January ti ey offered all the
hereditary and othr t revenues, and, ea 110Mille, this very
claim of the Seminary of St. Sulpice, as part of what
was to le given in le tarn for a civil list. This was refused
by the Legislative Assembly, a-id the consequereo tsar, of
course, that the Commissioners were at liberty then to
advise a different disposal of this fund. They did se, but
advice was not taken ; an I was this the list time they had
to eel of this proper:Lion ? No, it was tepsated. When
Lord Seaton went out as Gore-113r of the Lower Province,
in ore .ieg the Parl arreet of the Upper Province, he
told them that ha was commanded to submit to them
the surrender of the casual and hereditary revenues of
the Crown, in exchange for a C aril List. Now he (the
Bishop t f Exeter) was ready to admit that, in strictness,
this c iuld not be held to include the revenues of de lower
province. But four da)s aft:r the Government sent a
message to the House -of Assembly in Upper Canada, re-
lati t i the terms of, union letween toe two provinces, in
which he gave three con idera inns on which the union
was to be based, the second of which was a stipulation on
the part of the 'Crown, for a sufficient Civil List. The
legislature of Upper Cana la accepted the offer of the Go-
verareent, and engaged to- assent to the union of the
Loner r'rovince, on condition that all the revenues of the
Crown should be surrendered.—( Lord Ellenberough—
" Ne, no; not a word of it.")—( Laughter.) He hoped
the Noble Lord who denied this would allow that it was
not the Case. It was true that in this despatch nothing
was said about the surrender, but it had been sail before.
But, whether it a ere so or not, the qucetion was, whetter
these reveaues cf San Sulpice were at the disposal of the
Seminary at the thne the Act of Union was pas:ed. Now,
it coal not be denied that they were; but it was said
this ordinance took ]•l ice before the Act of
Union, and therefore scpa-a-ed these revenues
horn the Crown, that he ttlio Bishop of Exeter) denied,
and therefore he repcate I that they were about geocroudy
to give away what hid already been disposed of. Tiii6
was one of those points on which he congratulated
self on hr.v:og the support of the Noble Doke. Ile felt
that ho had long trespasool on their Lordship's ette.l-
- but there was one other point of no slight impart-
anc-?, on which it was abselutely necessary that he should
trespass a little longer. It related to the character of that
Corporati an by this ordinance if it we,e permitted to ea,s.
He spoke with all respect in the presence of two Noble
and Learned Lords of great authority, but he would ven-
ture t o say that no body of Popish ecclesi tstica could be
cons ituted an eccleaia-tical corponti In without violating
the fundamental laws of this country. It was not the
persons, but the purposes, which constituted an ecelcsi-
aatical corporation. Now, this distinction was to be ap-
plied to an instrument which he had seen, and which pro-
posed to incorpotaeo certain Popish ecclesiastics in the
reign of George the Fourth, and it was signed by Lord
Bathurst, then Secretary for the Colonies. In that cite,
it wee true that the persons were ecclesiastical, and that
they were incorporate-I, but yet that did not consftute
them an ecclesitufcal corporation. There were corpora-
tions in Cambridge and Oxford, of which every member
might be an ecclesiastic, and yet these were lay corpora-
tions, having no ecclesiastical purpose. lie would not
fay whether it would be wise or lawful to constitute such a
corporation of Popish ecclesiastics in the dominions
of the Sovereign of England ; but ho would say,
that according to the fundamental laws of England, no
Popish corporation for ecclesiastical purposes could, salvo
republics, be c onstituted in the British dominions. The
statute of 1774, .commonly.callel the statute of Quebec,
and the subsequent Act, called the Constitutional Act,
exprbssly declared that the law of Elizabeth, which en-
a• t rel the supremacy of the Sovereign and estr-
bli hod the Protestant religion, as that of the State
was re-enacted, in respect to Canada, and . was
t be in full force in that colony, as w5ll as in Eng-
hod. In that colony, therefore, it was more presumptuous
than in any other for the representative of the Sovereign
to violate that law. The common law or England te-
quired every ecclesiastical colony to be visitel. The Se-
rai-ory of St. Sulpice must have a visitor, and that should
he the ordinary of the dioc -so, who was Dr. S.r Ichan. the
Bishop of Quebec. • Would Alioisters require that Pro-
testant prelate to ei i. aid exami .e the Popish ecclesias-
tics ? Tae Noble Marquis (Normanby) must have
spoken unadvisedly when he sai I those were the Catholic
Bosh aps of Quebec. I: would be a crime to constitute any
Catholic Bishop within the dominions of the Bri ish
Crown. T- se very terms of the Act which gave the Go-
vernor and Council the power to pass ordinances, ex-
pressly forbid them to piss any Act that would alter or
affect the rights spiritual or temporal of the clergy of any
denomination. So that they were expressly precluded,
from this very Act, to prevent the ratification of
any measure that went to papali.e a whole pro-
vince of the British empire. He implored th. it
Lordships to iaterpoac that power which the con-
stitution wis ly iutsusted to them. If the ordinance
were permitte I to be !ome law, it would be a viola.
tion of the fundamental statutes of the country, and a
great national crime would be committed. He again im-
plorel their Lordships to interpose." Tha Pc:t!stent dlcr-
racer, and the Protestant foeliog of the country, de-
minded from them that proof of their sympttly ; and he
call d on them to join him in his motion, for as humble
addcess to her Mijesty, praying ihot she will be graciourly
pleased to withheld her assent from the ordinance incorpo-
rating the Seminary of Sr. Sultiee in Montreal.
The Marqu sof NO Ref ANB Y—Bt f ire he proceeded
to offer such observations as he might thick it necessary in
answer t o the arguments of the Revere ad Peel ste, he could
not avoid saying a word or two upon the declaration with
which the Reverend Prelate had commenced his speech—
viz., that but for the manner in which the question
had been met upon the former occasion, when
he introduced it to the notice of tee House.
he would not have t-ouble I their Lordships with tae mc-
tiln he had concluded with. Of course they could not
judge of the intentions of the Rev. Prelate—they could
only judge of him by the words he g•ve utterance to, and
he spoke ia the hearing cf the Noble Duke, at d one or
two other Noble Lords who stayed out the debate—he
appealed to then eh ether the Rev. Prelat when he took
the unprecedented course of spcakirg two hcurs acrd a
f ors the presentation of a petition, did not disti octly
state that upon a future oceasian he would move their
Lordships upon the subject, and whether he did nos then,
wi hoot its being possible fur him to know in what way he
would to met or answered, state almost the ve:y words of
the motion with which he had concluded. The Rev. Pre-
late, on that occasion, had appealed to many Noble Lords
who were then absent, no one having had the slightest
idea st the course to be taken by the Rev. Prelate, but
he (the Marquis of Normanby) did not thi ak he had lost
anything by their absence. The Rev. Prelate said the
ordinance was unconstitui nisi, unwise, unfair, and un-
just to the Provinces generally. lie had almost assumed
that it was a project that had never b aen pearl of
before; but if they would tefer to the proceedings of that
House only two years ago, they would fiud that the sub-
ject was not so new as it was represented by the Rev.
Prelate. When his lamented friend Lord Durham was
Governor-General of Canada, Mr. C. B .l'er had reported
upon the subject. That report he had laid on the table of
the House; and in the June of that same year he had
laid upon the table the ordinaace which had Loon passed
by Sir J. Colborne, eel t duly merely as a project, because
then the Spei_ial Council had not the power to pass laws.
Parliament had grante I that potter to the Special Coun-
cil ; Dead it was most important that they should not now
act in direct contradiction to what they had done two
years ago. Their Lordships would inflict singular injus-
tice upon the gentleman composing the Seminary, bee tune
the matter was one of bargain with them. The Rev. Pre-
, late said it w is an improvefent bargain, but he would show
their Lordships that tee contrary was time case. From all
the inf nmiation ho could obtain, thooegeatlemen were pe-
culiarly racy at londlords. lie was told that it was their
habit t i commute their property for one half its value.
They Lad not pressed their rights to the utmost. How did
they dispose cf titer funds? He had good authority for
statiag that they only expended 1001. a year on -them-
selves, and devoted 47 per c mt. of the r income to chari-
table purpose:. An institution of such a nature ore thought
(night us t to have teen made the foundation of such a mo-
tion. The Right Rev. Prelate had quoted the statement
of two pet sons in support of his argument. He had pre-
viously furnished him (the Marquis) with the names of
those persosic, but it would have been better if he had told
him the facts to which they were to teeify, as he could
then have made inquiries as to the truth cf their state-
ments. From the inquiries he had made of persons con-
nected with Canada, he did not behese that the Right
Re v. Prelate's i'iformants vt ere at all. well informed on th
subject. Oise of them was a person from Greenock, who
had no property in Canada, and who had not long resided
in the c. leny, and though, perhaps, highly re-
spectable men, they were neither of them in such
a situation as to warrant the Rhglit Rcvereatd
Prelate to call upon their Lordships on their unsupported
authority to cont.adict the statements made b a despatch
from the Governor cf Canada. An old Protestant C Jane
dian r had assured him (the Marq
uisCosfnadians
mentor) that this was not a quo ton between_n
dish
set-
end &Trish. Thee. the groat bulk of the oft
degaied that
tiers were in favour of the ordinance). utoier
tt
the revenues in question were uf thei:i,rlp;oluserdn:ll:,7
which the Right Reverend Prelate
their conduct in
nothing could be more fair orliberßalthasn-
ieht Reverend Prelate
all pecuniary tranFa:tiona. The
of the ordinance,
had said a gre it deal as tonttrhaeryillegality
to the Act of Supremacy.
contending that
Ho was not qualiiftietcl"l3ocsopeak as an h wity on that sub-
well as on other legal points con-
jest, but ont tt
netted wit, 4'eaet'orndsirrance, he lied, beforefquitting the Co_
asked the opinion o
.the law officers
o ial-officc in 1839,
lot•nto, Crown, ald they gave it es their open in that there
was noising to prevent the Speeial Council of C made
from passing such an Act. Since that his Noble Friend
who was now at the head of that department had egeit,
submitted that ortlinarc e to the legal advisers of the Crown,
together with all that had been urged rgatnst its legality,
and their opinion on that point still remained (qually
deni fed in favour of its leg silty. The Rigl-it Reverend
Prehee had alleded to the opinion cf Sir J. Stuart. Now,
that Learned Gentleman had, as a member of the
hear.,
the Specie'
Council stated in favour of the ordiaanae.--( Hear,
Tic Right Rev.-read Prelate had always argued a. i.
Canada was a Prct estrnt province ; but he thought he
could slow that veil nis high autheritie3 had held that the
Catholic religion was the established religion of the pro-
vince.—( Hear, bear.) .. By the capitulation of Montreal,
dated the sth of September, 17gn ww, it was agreed {hat all

the commuvionsof psi, ;should be maintained in all their
rights, .--flhissirkes rid possessions. Now, the Right
Reverend -Prirlare-h id stated that rote cf the condHons of
ethein foundations was that they should
.devote some por-
horn of theittithe conversion of the Indians, and
teat they adone so; that, consequently, if the
country had bonder the dominion of the King of
France,chat, cctris
tegti-ti
heyetn-.ony,ld 1 ave forfeited th it possestions, and
ha
the conquest of Canada was the Sir-
tcntation of Popery. Now, the execution of that duty
had never been required of them by the British Govere-
merit, and so far from any neglect beirg imputable to
them, all her Majesty's Governors had borne testimony to
their faithful discharge cf their duties. He now came
to the Treaty of Parse. The Earl of Halifax had, on the
part of the British Government, agreed by that treaty to
the following article. (The Nohe Marquis here trans-
-1 eted the article from the treaty, which set forth, that al-
Outlet the King of Er gland engaged to guarantee the
free exercise of the Roman Catholic religion, it 61 not
follow that he would content that the Lien fonds of the
Ecclesiastint bedies should belong to the sulnects o 5
France, livirg in Mance, but that the ; riests cf the Se-
mi Lary at Mon•resl seould cintinue to enjoy their property
without any dependence on the Seminary at Paris.
The Earl of MO UNTCA SHE L doubted the correct-
ness of the translati rn ; he shoul I like to bear the-original.
The Marquis of NORM ANBY would read the artinle
in French then—(Tl e Noble Marquis then read the ar-
ticle in tl e orioirtel French, when it appeared that his
trenslati a had been a perfectly cerreet one.) lie appre-
hended the Noble Earl woul I not find that his transle inn
I had been incorrect.—( Cheers.) He now came t) the Act
of 1774; and when that Act was discussed Mete their
In rirl i ps, the great Lord Chatham had said that it he-
hovhd their Lordships to pay par ticul it attention to the mea-
sure, as it was one which eatablishe I tire Roman Catholic re-
ligion as the religion of a portion of the British dominions..
Some cf those precedents were of great advantage in show-
ing the customs of those days. But he would just remind
their Lords! ips that the effect of the Bill do which he had
referred was not to give to Canals what it had net pie
viously. It was said that by that Bill their Lordships es-
tablished the Roman Catholic religion where it never was
established before, which was not the case. la the good old
days to which the Right Rev. Prelate alluded they only
permitted the practice of their own religion. He (the Mar
quis of Nerreatthy) had hitherto been reading only what
was stet el by the opponents of the B 11; let them now see
what was said by its supporters. The Prime Minister of
" Jr t excel!ent monarch, who was never to Le mentioned
without reverence"—( Laughter)—Lord North—stated,
ether once the city of QueLec was settled in the hands of
t iis nation, it was a matter of indifference to us what law
or what r. kg ion was crethlished the c so long as it made
the people happy. That was the manner in which Lord
North aen-ecated the Bill, and if they considered the eir-
eurnsnnees under which that Minister spoke, they would
perhaps he much surprised. Lord North war the favou-
rhe Mini •ter of " that excellent sovereign who was never
to Lc rneui ioned m ithout reverence," he was not one of these
Mit isters whom " that excellent sovereign," occasionally,
..rid with somewhat t ingalar expedition got rid of if they did
not please him, but he was one whom through good and evil
report and much odium, le maintained asbis first adviser for
many years. Those were the opinions germ on bete sides,
and that was what they imagined would be the effects cf
the Bill which they we .c passing. That was the colony
which the Right Rev. Prelate, coining a new word, sa'd
they were about to papalize. That papalised.colony was
so ter et.:cl by Lord North, by Cel. Barry, and by Lord
Chatham. But he (the Marquis of Normanby) would
now read to their Lordships another paragraph, from the
statement of a man, in whose composition there was
much of the philosopher, and who, however, he was car-
ti-d away in moments of excitement was, in moments of
rt flectioo, generally supposed to be an accurate observer—
he meant Mr. Burke. That individual, in a letter to Sir
Hercules Lengrish, with respect to the I ish Roman
Catholics, said, " I voted last session for the establi,hme,.t .
of the Church of England, conjointly with the establish-
met t which was made some years before by Act of Per..
1 ament, of the Roman Catholic religion in the
cerquercd country of Canada." Those were the (Ti-
n ins of Burke. Those were the opinions which the
Right Rev. Prelate ought in t'se course of the recess
to nave made himself acquainted with. He (the Marquis
of Normarthy) would next draw their Lordships
attention to the Ecclesiastical Corporation estab-
lished by Lord Bathurst in the year 1821. The
Right Rev. Prelate said that that was riot an. ecclesiastical
eorporaiian of Romish priests. How did the Right Rev.
Prelate make out that ? It was composed of tee Roman
Carbolic Bishops for the time being, and of his two ecal-
jut Ire. The Right Rev. Prelate did not attempt to draw
any disiiaction tie:ween those two corporations. Ila
should Ike to know whether tl e Right Rev. Prelate did
or did not know of that letter of Lcrd B.thurrt eremir g an
Eceirtits!ical Corporation ?
Tire 13.shep of EXETER—I Oil not know of its ex-
istence.
The Marquis of NORM ANBY sail that More the
Right Rev, rend Prelato brought the subject Le-
nore their Lordships he ought certainly to havo
iiaquired whether there was such a corpota.ion. The
Right Rev. Prelate had addressed their Lordships at
great length upon the statements of the Commissioners,
arid ha! read the statements of ore Commi,sio: or ia par-
ticular. Now, if had read the protest of his friend upon
this subject, he would have found in the last few lines :
these words r—" In Canada, within late years, more than
one Roman Catholic c illege has been iecerperated."—
( Hear, hear.) Now, that was a species of information _
which the Right Re v. Prelate ought to have availed him-
:elf of before he mode the rnsertion that this was the first
time any Roman Catholic .priests bed beau incorporated. •
in the year 1826 Lord Bathurst suggest trd there should be .
an amicable suit to try the right of the Seminary ; and
under the Celoniel administration of Mr. Huskisson
that i a •tieular propo:ilon was propounded ; nr getiatious
were earned on se theet any result, but the strict and the
legal right had never been eivs n up by the Seminary. Ile .
could not help asking tl c Right Her. P elate whetht r he
did nil think that same explanation was due to tl eir Lord-
ships for the inznni r in which he quoted, on a form r occasion,
a dispatch e f the Noble Earl oppoii:e ( Ripon), and of
the ore which he attempted in the absence of the Noble
Earl to make of his authority, when, from the very docu-
ment in his hand, f he had nail one sentence farther, he
must have known that that which he had quoted to their
Lordships had nettling whatever to do with the views ho
bad attempted to urge.—(Hear, hear.) Tie Right Rev.
Prcla'e, quoting the despatch of his Noble Friend opposite,
felts ed a passage which ended with this sentence—
" The decision of the que tion fsvourahe t a the Seminary
would involve consequences which every Canadian, what-
. cv, r his nation al orieie or reltgious persuasion might be,
would alike hove reason to reprobate." When the Right
Rev. Prelate used these words he (the Marquis of No -
roanhy) thought there was something behind, because
even that carefully extracted sentence did not bear out
the iefe ranee he had attempted to draw. If this were a
religicus question how would it satisfy those of every re-
lici sus persuasion ? But the Right Rev. Prelate broke
1 oil' there, and said he was proud to have the authority of
the Noble Lord opposite. The Noble Duke (Wellington)
saw the impression which was being attempted to be
created on that occasion en the authority of the Nolle Earl
in favour of the 1c et on, and at once dissented from it ;
but tse very next sentence was, " Such is the nects.ity of
hulling a great eammer ci al city upon a feudal tenure".--
( Loud cries of `• Herr.")
The Bishop of EXETER—Those words I read.—
(Cri,,s cf " Ordee (eer.")
Toe Marquis of NORM ANBY—If the Right R v.
Prcla e rays he read tl o c words, of come c I am bound to
believe lie cid, but I have riot the slightest recollection of
loni ig heard them, and I attended vary closely to what he
said. Ne the; had my Noble Friends near me any recol-
lection of having heard them.—(llcar.) The litib'e
Marquis then went on to say, that there was anothcr extra_
orchtwry eircurnstaece attending it. There were se venal
reno is of the Right Rev. Prelate's speech. In all the
w o rndost wtehreenommiatkt ceda;n
yand, s
ew,
vitah-
reports except tine,
wouldthoe
trieosopse,cbt etocatuhsaettohnact, Right ttee. Prelate had stated that ho
did use thew words. At the same time he c )uld not
help thinking that the Moot Rev. Prelate might have in-
tended to use those words, but did not, because, at the end
of the quotet on, in the only one p-per that contained the
worth, were as " Ste."—(Great laughter, and cries of
"11 rare") Now, al " &e." was uncommonly like an ex-
tract which a Noble Lord or Right Rev. Prelate furnished
ter some reporter after having made his speech.—
(The Bishop of Exeter intiam'ed thst he did famish
th extract.) The R ght Rev. Prelate had stated that he
did use the words, yet, as this was a questim of recollec- -
fon, and although the Right Rev. Prelaten recollection
might be better than his (the Marquis of Normanbyht), Yec
recollection war not infallible, and I te always
late might be mistaken. The Right Rev. reCted a place
sat very near her Majesty's Ministers,
hl h.easned her Majesty's
very unusual (the corner efthe tae,hi,ee. y ~_ ire their
the Right Rev. Pre-
Government were very often internupiadugO nun
tter.) But, of
communications.—( Hear, beer, -and i ndoidc.ommunication
coofutrhsec,exiittrhacetßtoigahntyßreepvo.
would not then say
The Bishop of EXETwAN D. y
rlt,Pcilre.....latlesalaidaGOl
The Marquis unft nNeORoCv clear that the Right Rev Pr e-
e_rio rri
iidgesha tr
written
; ianad,
dt)he Rwi6e,ibi,t
ancther word. —nitnhave failen him, and that his and
latchr recollection must
own, did
Right Rev.
behind. 111. m
h;teevN. )i,l'rice::er !ettrit,danoukinitrheuauetplieoln'ebccata.di:ssintohNnwe.oTbhl e
ainghthiaidavesakiedenth,
its
'sparectsseariti
then, ho care to another point. e Rev. Prelate
11 era.d ean aid Wins If d '
6v nm mare than any other Government that ever
not
curs e them
.t,a
expense of their
( Lard Melbourne) .
ones
m,
elrighieoaardatctfhe
c Right Rev. Prelate had
ennteo, e he:toter its intthent:lerxe.
or eind.sdHattvri snugpylioer
supposed,
t the Popish
the Quebec Act,the act of 1794,0 r
aba yu) gave to thei
tchaa,thloretic(tulreihMparqt.ta,ies
toiftleNuorfmt.,eh.,isho
of .
against him. Ro ,1 stated,
a ri
B-rtburst, in bit communicati as with.
t")h
bad made that a chargeQueeee, and
Why, did not Lord
liament do—chat did the Estimates Governor,call
Trim Bishop of Quebec?—(Hear hear.) what
Commons call him ?—(Hear, car.) What did Pori
cf the House o
hear.) He
Bishop cf Qutb, H.ean.hear.) Was he not the
se, and was he not so called ?--(Hear,
really, at the time it was made, thought that
was a mast insufficieut ground, and if it bad coma from
less reverend lips—(Laughter)—ha should bare. said it
was a most ridiculous ground on which to found a charge
against the Government.—(Cheers,) The, Right Rev.
Prelate had talked of his (the Marquis of Norm:m.4's)
dowel:len, The clerks in the office Iran made a most di-
Ilse: t starch, but no despatch had been found, in which
10 had talked at all cf the Bishop of Quebec. —(llear,
hear.) That despatch might have escaped from the
archives of the Colonial-office ; but even if the Right Ray.
Prelate had been right in his f.els, which he was not, he (the
Marq. of Normanby) did not dunk that he ought tohave teen
singled out for an attack alien he would only have done
that whi .di Lord Bathurst had done in the year 1821,
and whirls every successive esti:Late of the House of
Commons had done. Lord Bathurst, its writing to the
Earl of De housie in 1821, had only condemned his
taking the title of Archbishop. So much for the Bishop
of Q,enee. But the Right Rev. Preis e was very apt
to deal in accusations upon very slight and tibial grounds,
and 6.0 "USIA Rev. Prelate must give him leave
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