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Icitli:l:2*.vir.g from it. No 411all_ could
sugge4ieg to. them to illedgethemsehTs
;Krseeere, coeter-,t,- Which .upon examina-
shoWd anneal:to. be,itopeless• in the appli-
tmon.trinc ei4he tp the 'Noble Lords, they
were lefetin f;elfe,epossessiffn of all their for-
fuer op;ni-ons as to flie palicy'-of the War; arid
enlied• on (Mile to take the war as they
should now ,1*.0., and not to determine
ataitilt h.s e. 41. tatal pr6secntion:till -they; shoidd
t_liemselVes as to. its hoirlesS-
-lAii,""?;'it:i-rs.-. 1:‘::,(1, • in. the Course of the eoeimn-
a.epoint of abanaoning ,he war,
tletire,l44.4.:te e at once put an end to thenego-:
in' demanding that the g,rounds for
e,.eitiettlike_ the M 1 :1,-outd conSilered, they 're=
-(4l)ii4-.6t11:-; -that wh - eNharqiiiS ley and,
hilusesil were perfectly ready,ltoteobeede, to them.
Witherespect to' the coreemondence
t4en. place relative to the basis, as conueeted
\v ith ;the Catholice, the Right Hon. C; en t letnan', :
by baying reeed,qeddemnents to the louse, had
sa-.-ed., him a. good deal of trouble; The Matter
of these documents was so fully before the House,
that it would-be necessary for him to read only a
c, few lines. The -Right Hon. Gentleman 'had
al-
ltcded to the 'difference noticed by Earl. Grey, be-
tween the .baSis proposed by Marquis Wellesley to
that :Noble Earle mid Lord Grenville, 'and the
,
propoSitiohs conimunicateu by filmset* . (011% C.)
to the Earl of-Liverpool. He noticed this paint.;
In. or:ter to ex,pla*r to theetlouse the varutnee,,
and the cause of As the Rie;-ht Honourable
Gentleman had re'::-J1 the minute Of Mai'7;.
quis,Weaesley; it would hot be, necessary for him:
to trouble the HoeSe by reading it oVer again.---
liis rulimte sited, thet it was peoposed'e` to
teke into curly and seriolis consideration the state
of the laws et3cel big tbe.CAhOlies; Witfra:sineere
and eai;r.cst flesi;•e of an earh- an s'',it:isfacteyry ad-
oftheir ti r And orethe subject of
17 'a it prioSed, fluetitshOUTti',Ne.
" With the
.bet Inc aTIS of itkp•ernin-'•
1liti6110.:1 theSe -::particulats-. to mark
Ihe ve.riniece pointtdout by Earl'
Gree, white -eeip.nee ere f- 117011..fhe,circuirrAance-
of ..--esl,.lareetiS ; e • h I•:•:•,N.h.s..yifl gef.)eto
theft re se eiive tt h ±ri i redneed
the . ee, they. ci:l•lsi7- •
•C nevi',2,l*, upon
ftili eon ; tl-ICAM`O§
:_ee. i reduee
in tltt, pp es( the evi of',ll.2impc,cl-; ;that of
Mariphs ,'esley..had bech immetliately
si.ter his r6.arn leant- Earl The;
fact
was
that: tl)er e WaS/10",Miittnr•ial jiifertrie.e betivcen the
tivo'thinthus; as would be hi:riot:is tenon consider
ation. .was -o'ily'' to term early" for.
Marquis Welleeley's term "linntediare," in the
Tart reqieetin-the cohsideration of the c';iithalic,,
would be rernov6.
minute referce -t.o the motion of Najd). he,
leaf given notice on the sid whilstyMarquis
WelicAey's idea v.,:zs, that the attention of the-
Administration zlithnid 'he turned to the subject
during 0-.e.re.cess, ,convinced as he was, that; after
what. hurl thkenplace in the course of theSesSion,
ricei.le :11g ',eotll, be done during this Session, but-
. ebY compulsion in a hostile, 'or a pledge froin an
. amiceble Administration. The next consideration
vase that ihe measures of conciliation Should be '
extended to the Catholics of England, and the
whole be effected in such a manner, as to insure
the enliAtened support of the Protestants of the
United `Eingdom ; so that the measure should
Dot have the effect of transferring the discontent
from one class to another, nor- be regarded as
' the *tritixtpli of one party, butthe means of eon,
• ciiia'Jng and,ree,Oneiling:all classes of the empire./
As to the 'second 'proposition, there was no vari.7
aiee at all. • Minute contained the words
tLe best -means," that of Marquis Wellesley
adegnate means.," ,It was known that Marquis
We:;e::ley's opinion as to the scale on Which the
win- bad been conducted wasethat it had hot been
adequately extenJed, and that accounted for the.
tl,:pemsion used by the Noble Marquis but as he
.not been in Administration far two
‘years.‘ he could not know Whether the mode of
. eonfincting the war had been inadequate.
Lev. ever;hesoncurred With his-NobleFeiend upon
the policy of prosecuting the contest With vigoity,
r. hat his Noble Friend meant ':by " adequate "
I e had expressed by " best "'means. [The Right
}ton. Gent., then read the letter of Earl Grey,
Ai.oung• the, grounds of his ObjeCtion; and
_his s-
tisfaction of the, explanation giVer. Of ~it.] In
, what,he had stated,' he trusted the' House would
peri:eie sonic justification of the principle - laid
down by ALittplis Wellesley and hirnself. They
Were perfectly aware that the Adinini;tration.pro-
pesed to be-formed would contahr thc 'seeds of
tiiilk.4l.tncee but they felt also that .it Wriuld (10 f;Ood
service to the country. He regretted the failure
of a proliositibrt, Which, if it had been met With
candour on ono—side, had been meant as sincerely'
4,n Ile other. And hei4 hemust say, that the ap-
p;ieetion Was not confined to Lords Grey and
trcuvillc,- The object of Marquis Wellesley was
to foritl an Administration composed of men dis-
. tinguished for talents in all parties, and With that
%,iew he had commissioned himio address a proposi-'
Con to some of the Memhers of the then suspended.
-Cuverument. By the Noble Marquis's desire, he
accor6nily waited on the Earl of Livcpool, and
ifettle in hk presence the minute which had been
lead. To tl4s he received for answer, that it was
necessary to' discuss the basis, 'as neither the Earl
f f tLiverpeol nor any of his. Colleagues would take
r art in-an Administraflon fornied by Marquis
eek-sley. He, upOn receipt of- this • ankwier,
v 'note a private letter to the Noble Earl; without
!he knowledge of .Marquis Wellesley, beseeching
him and his Colleagues to reconsider their deci-
sion, on the ground that- they would not stand
• tetriy with the country if it shotild appear that
withheld
,their services from personal objee-
ei,;ns. To this the Earl of Liverpool replied that
'l,is answer had not been Sent without full consider-
, at:ou, that be was actuated by no personal objec:
ti-,p.•:, but that When he considered some recent
publicat',ons refeeting upon him and his friends,
Lc- cc:dd iv:A, with honhur to himself, or Consis-
H7Te e;:itli his resp_eet for, his departed friend,
mseat to act with Marquis Wellesley. He
fr:ought it die to the Nchle Earl to communicate

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the emit. AtiS 'letter to tliehletch.;4. ,
,-ill
with respect to the char ;e iteelntained. agaiiit. his
"Nhle Friend, he would not artempthteo Weaken
by goiug over the same-ghohridS thatiiid been sO
irresistibly urged by himself,, in his triumphant'
justification in another place-=a instifieation, the
effusion of an innOcerit heart and a entignaarinohs
spirit. Ile shOulthhere refee'to a letter-Writthit-on
the '23d ofMay, to Earl (- ev v,idcb:, be, WithOilt
any comaninication'vt•'-ith him or his•NObleTrievd,..
pointed_ out the principle of conciliating the Catlin,
Lies; and df
,vigorously proSeenting the peninstilar
War, as the best _basis for- the union of public
men. •This he considered, a -good test of the
ground Upon *hich Marquis 'Welles' ley and hiniself
had acted. With respect to the interval of 'sus-
pense alluded to by theßight.HonOurahle. 'Gen-
tlentan, though the commiS.tion was suspended,
that period l;-:c hot' unemployed; asit was-
occupied in-attemprS to remove the objections
to Marquis .` As eto the assertions
that the' first
.prOpositiOn could not be accepted,
made: b y We-Right Eon: Gentlettran and the Hon.
"Move!, he should only say; that no one could-state.
that any, dispOsition had been, hewn to balance
parties, when a Majoeity Was offereil.inthe.('abi-
net to the Noble Lords, a cOncesSion that might in
other circumstances be considered dangerous. lie
would not. say a
.vvoilof the motives of the Noble
Lords in rejecting the propOsahmadttoth-em 5 he
was'st',.re thev fhonght :they Were doine* great sea--
•Viee to the Country, but atthisathe One fairly indi-
toting _an opinion that nothing less than :a•Siirren-
cr of 41 power into their bands satisfy them.
Ile.tlitl not bihmetheme' this was titeirs view of
the ntiestion ;and on that, their rejection 'view; made.
Lord Wellesley having shrrenderid his commission
into the hands of the Prince it wai:tranS7
fereedr. to Lord, Mira. :Of the' SithSetpleat prot
rceedings x,e could not speak of his oWn:knowledge,
and Lord W.ellesleylaving sent for him to Omai-
• nicate With Lord Moira, he thought he ought not to
have any .further•csomrauhicatioa with that Noble
Lord, for reason; having been one of the per-.
sons noininate*hY, Lord. Wellesley to hold a seat
in theeQahinet, Ircwever, to himself a
rig-lit t() ace,ede'or not, to-such A/Ministration as
that Noble Earl might, form; at the same', time,
hina (Lord Wellesley) an assaranceefli4
if the Negociation should brelaieoll; he (Mr.'C':)
vas otitis eh/natal-id. But in: juitihe to the No,
ble 'he •reed the ecOrreopondence which,
passed between Lofd Moira and Lords Grey f,I#V
Grenville, preparatory to the minutes; and whieli-
•-• led to the interview between those Noble Lords,
at, which Lord Erskine was present. These tal'e
notes had been comMented upon by-the Right
Gentleman (Mr.-PonsOnhv) in a sense they-did
• not 6Car, and as if 4oreitking of the negoti-
ation was because 'the Noble Earl' had not tithe
same powers to treat about the Hbaseholdethat he
had upon the
.other phints. It did, 'however, ap-
pear to him (Mr...Canteino,.that'that power was
distinctly given ; but Lord _Mira, with that.
frankness and. candour which Marked his cha-
racter, never once having 'stated that his
power Was liMited, but that in' his view of
the interests'of the public he must
,resist It
might be a subject' too delicate for him to Men-
tion what had -taken place between the Prince
Regent and Lord Moira after the rupture of the
negociation ; but from what fell from the Right
Honourable Gentleman in the course of his-specch,
'he felt it but justice-to the Noble Sri that •he
should state what the Noble' Earl Earl M .coartniu,
nicatedto him, not .more than five minutes'. after
his interview with the Prince Regent. The Noble
Lprd told him, he asked his Royal Highness=-
." Sir, if I had. proposedtO" your Royal Illighneess
to remove all the: Oilicers -of your Household;
would you have agreed to,it'?" To Which hiS
Royal Highness answered, " If you tell me it is
necessary lhr, the .pulalle service; will remove
every One: of tliezn/''.To whiCh ',the'Noble Earl
replied, " Then -anti:me-of-them- Shall he remove
eel."-Loud cheering, ,dod reiteratecieries of hear,'
hear!)---When the Right 'Honiinfahle Gentleman
(Mr. Ponsonhy) came to reflect on what would be:
the 'appearance. of this iransiih-tlon, and this point
being conceded, the negotiation ar,as broken tins
or other arraree.:ernents; I.*frat:ivo4ld have been.
the feeling of the •PuWiti,.:They Would'-then say,
" Yoh' have not gaiaed an Administration, but'
you. hate disjointed the
.1101: ;Bel-told After
Forte fsir her- observations:: he Concluded. by de-
claring, that' as he had taken apart in the •nego-
ciatiort, he felthe could riot vote upon the pre-
sent question at- all; 'and shonid, therefore with-
draw. • • '
Mr. Po-NSONIII and. Mr. CaNNINt; mutually 4
plained: ,•
971.Feea-ry spoke in defence-of -his., tiVo•Nn-
7111e-Friends. He went Over the same ground as
that-taken by Mr. Ponsonby; and • concluded, by
giving a .similar vote. •
Lord 13,. SF.Y.MOIYIt'sai 'a
few:ivords, in a low
tone Of voice, on the Tesign. atiotu; which had been
in chntemplatiari in, the TlOuseholde - '
Mr. FtTekEri thought it -clearly came out, that
the principle on which the' Gentlemen opposite
acted', was an- endeavour, to get all they could.—
He applauded the eonduct of Lord Moira, who
behaved like a Mart of honour. : He ..was persuad-
ed that the country Would :Rapport the present
Administration against • an oligarchy, composed
not.ofone Cardinal Wolsey, but of ten Cardinal
Wolseys. The Prince had acted 'nobly,,and-had
entitled himself to the'esteem and gratitude of-the
people.
Mr. MAI:TIN (of Galway)- contended that the
Prtnce- bad done eftry thing-in his power to carry
into effect the adirice of Parliament. - His Royal
Highness could not have giVen Up the Household
question, 'Without stultifying himself, and itiloalit7
'ting the justice of all the base calumnies which
had been uttered against him and the Nuble.Per--
sons concerned.
Lord CAsTLEREAGH,4at that lateiperiod of the
night, would-not trespass long upon the House. If
the question rested on the comparative merit of the
different Addresses that had been prOpoSed,
.that
subject had been -so satisfactorily argued, that he
would not have risen on the o-ccasion.;• but theft!
71.vere one or two points connected with the•trans-
actiOn', so accurately detailed/by the Right Hon.
Gentleman, on which, he wished to irhike some re-

mArl-A.. n tommentiz;t ieretiqiiiXeCtlis;Uf
delicate ziatiire he•Wouid.he eitilti-nuk not ttiaggilt-',„
'vate-the •di tferen ces of puhliei; tifen,. 'or ',o*AVicien
breaches', injurious to the Welf:tee;of=the
With respect to the origillaNi6tioi'i,-'•thi.7'ex-;-
pressions which contaithil weretrnexcepticm-
able.. HQ concurred in .tlieserititnent. of -.every
'menlier of that proposition.' An. the .first.
the_ thanks to the Ragent for ;-1-tis'
tion t) the. express wishes: of -theliouse in the
.second, the regret that his. Itoi-41.kr,line,,,es,hal not.
fOUnd it possible to form 4,..inore.eotaprehensive
AdMinistration.. To all this 4e:-,,-,:intldhlfve no hesl-
- in being a party.; and to.- the further expres-
slim of .hope that his' Royal Highness -.would:avail
'himself of anropportimity` that might o'conr. for
strenghtening. his present Administifatiout
when it clinic to be asked ,with w-ltatniotivethis,,Ad-
dress was Moved, heput it to thellOuse if the-obvi,
ons import of it was. not calculated to throw. a Shade.
'over the Administration (subject -to the view; of
Parliament) which was: charged with the fate and
interests of the country. The Address was
un-
called for by any Message from the Crown. :It
could lead to no practicable result. Itsonly-effect
would-be to hfing the Ad;ninistration uncler the
insinuation,.fonnded on its external.strticture, and
not on its conduct, that it was notlikely to possess
ti,e confidence Of the Country; -He trusted, there--
fOre, that the Ilen: Cientlenian would withdraw'
his rootionfor lie could'-not conceive it passible
that the 'House, by atiopting it, would sanction it
-foe ni) other pti-rpo§e ,hut to, diSqualify the Go-
vernMent .from executing the. arduous task in
Which the..)- had engaged'. With respect to .that.
Wbatevgr Might haVe been their
*pithlie 'services, 'they cut ittily had not shelve).
any-dispOsition .to :stupid between:.-the. Crown
and the People. AlL,'partles, it was Con,;-
fcs:sed,' had, acted, (hiring, the late transae;
tionS' *Ali the greatest liberality. ' • or
. four aigtinet- negociatiOnS had failed, ami the
Crown. was Obliged to CAII on the present
uiStn-ition to charge itself With the afiitirs -of:the
.tountir,: It was hiS 'consolation, that- vhile,
on the one hand, lie and. his Colleagues - had
' never' stood between ;the:Cro\vn, and the. ,PeOple'
on the other fond; They liar! never shewn a diS.,
position' to shrink- &On the discharge of public
'duties, deterred- as :they 'otherwise might- be by
ste:cuinulated 'the'. late. trans-
,,-actions had occasioned.. Ministers were ready to
do all that *as requited of them, trUstingthat Par-
liaMent would:give-them 'fair- and -full confidetiee.
They wished their conduct.te bejudged by their
acts 5 that they might receive the support of Par-:
liament if •they deserVed it,..and if, : they ',did not.
that they might bow: to the decision of. thellonse..
He honed' that the late transactions would induce:
the House not again to push. theprinciple which
they had so strongly asserted. Maze, must be
blind who could not see tile. calainitnus
quences which the last three ,weeks were ealefilat-,.
• ed to produce on-our;- foreikn', and' domestic. rel -
tions.' • For although- -the- sentiments manifested
in, the vatious negociaticms• had been honour-
able to all parties; he could not help think-
ing that the Mode which seemed to be-..in
practice in modern tiiries of forming an Adniinis=
tration,was most injurious, and might be. fatal to the
interests of the country,' Never in ancient times
had-4 negociation .betweett, public • men been
hibited to the eye of Parliament and the country
at large, and exposed to all the invidions.comments
..which the malignity and the ignorance .of men-
- kind: passed .upon ;them: For :.his, part he;leould
'never augur well Of any negociatioi.i in which two
Men‘ could not approach each °the:- in a private
room, although • on public principles, ,without
Coming armed with pen and iitk, and prepared to
allow every thing. they might utter to go •forth
immediately' for the judgment of the publie.---
'After the termination of -.such n negociation,
it had -been cominon for something of the: pro--
ceedings to be made public, but:never till of
,late
had it been the 'practice of those who were form-
ing an Administration to submit their propositions
and intentions to the public while yet. they were
but in progress.. The consequences of such eon-
, duct, as developed in_ the' present instence,2,;ould,
lie trusted, have the. effect of preventing:the,
recurrence of such scenes for the time "to come.H—
I-fe lead' now to speak to that part ofthelge trans-
actionswith tvhich he was connected. Hehad waited--
on his. froyal Highness on the, night of tile 21:st;
to report to him the proceediugs.:in-Parliament,
preVipusto his Majesty's Minister.s,giyink their-ad-
xice on the subject of that 'vote J and -from that
night, till he and'-his .Colleagues sere recalled to
their othces, excepting in the circle kit the Levee,
he had neytr:seen the Prince. • He had.only been
connected with.-the .Negociations When the
►qti.is of Wellesley invited-the -Members of the late'
Cabinet to 'form an Administration. It was a.pain-
.filltask for: him to.speak on this,subject, bathe dis-
•clairned everything like.personal animosity to the
Noble .MarquiS. He trusted. it Was riot i.ccessary.
to go throtigh the whole-of the detail, as the eh-
cumstanees.must be fresh in the memory of the
House. The Paper which had .been published, lie.
understood to have been published without the
consent of the Noble Marquis ; but, after swab -a.
Paper had appeared; describing the late Minister
and those who het acted with, him ass the Paper
to which he alluded did, lw Avo‘uld put it to ;the
"rouse if Gentlemen situated as. were. his col-
lea-p:ues, could without -degradation:meet such a
proposition in any other .ivay than in -which it had
been .met. For the Noble Marquis he , felt. the
sincerest „respect, with the highest admiration
for' his accomplishments and his- talents ; all he
felt in this respect was heightened, .by the con-
sideration' that he was the brother-to the. greatest
soldier. this, count'vv , had produced.--It was
therefore, a peculiarly painfeil task for him to
.be called upon to decide' mi:snch a question as they
propotitious of-the 1:ioble Marquis brought belOre
`him ; but the feelings of hiS colleagues Were na-
turally such, that but, one answer could be given.
This he (Lord C.) felt, and-though be was not in-
cluded iii this description, yet...the description given
Of his colleagues-being unjtistand inaecurate;ae-
cording to his ideas, as, instead of those he act-
ed with . being persons. who were ineepable of
rendering their country any service; he conceived,
them to. be Gentlemen eininenty calculated to.ex-

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thi‹,--he tiivi; fiban,-ion.z a
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duty if he had ti?it been- inixi.:.xstc I\7.Alfie
-3va*llnd.er Lfl e eirciaiLitances, that the et a 3 -
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given had been ret9:ll ed to the_ illarOais vf
..14,ts but that the iiropositiovs which he
`•iiiA.de. had Leen rejected with any tkiatrb of perst);_,...i
• animosity, was an Idea w'bieh .he :trusted '
House and the country would. ~.f.i.srniss., eritoctetti(tT.
•
Such an idea was now, a.. trt #.!ieneis fnita
of the "sot,': Margels ir as he -tbe Marquis; lel.d
declared that lie wouid IlttC7 a:4-1;a, under any cirtrtistahce•l
serve Under his--tei;arted friend Mr.. Perceval,, welt e;:eiht
heertuiqr.C.) accuse the Noble Marie:is of haviie; I:belle:red a • •
ftelineeeef aniMusitv_against that iaortrious* chic:act-ere as
•(the-I'larquis) could ae...ense. him ',.Lcre. Caetlereagiie and 13'11.
cOlkjagues of such , a feehng lit s their receut coed- et.
• I) tat.ilu g WaS i_-ac a1..)3:u1t froze their mind,, nor intr,.
abhorrent to their nature than a feeling lielre that which he •
had deserild oW sech an occasion.. ith.respect to the lee!
4)(1.; oc iations , he would qay, that. if there witre tl the,
••;t'a di4lcalties in forneine• an Adulinistralioni: Ore,.
difficulties weee, . always removed, . if' the; negociatioul
der the eye of Parliairient, or .of _the Public, wcre-
posed in --t'e or e.eogresseto Obstkviti,ins of the crii.io;
Pariiament had no _reason to afraid- .of saris negucle.;• •,•
flung being privately carried on, as it ecoold always be' ;Wiser
fur them to act on their public conduct, that to interfere, 'as
they had done, in the present,, instance. He declared; iii the
bistovy, a preceding so sudden, with su short a ifo:
tice, was not to be found, its that'wirieli they had lately seen;
when the House .decided not aga:rist- a Ouvertinieut, who by
their own immediate and direct conduct nad,proved :them-
selves unworthy of conndeeceeebut against an 'Adininhi-
tratien of which the formation was but in;pr ress •
Ile hoped their ecetkluct;' in this instance, Woald forum a pre-
..
• ccdent which luture Pal-name:its weald never fodow.
great deal had_been.said of the unconstitutional eoneuct
the Admiaistration, in •statioa that each -"tetni,,, et el],
cabinet Wonld be left in act in his. indivitina: l:evacter arc
- w
the Catholic-Question; ,but really lie did .not tleeß.)
.
ere any grounds. for 011 the horror expres:zed.by hie liiehti
Honourable Friend and the Gentlemen uppocite. "Poe Gen-
tlemen oppo!.,ite ought.not to he so ninth struck-with •
if they looked a little cleser into. it they would find irca•WA:
'tO Conplain that it was a plagiarisin .on their own conduct.--
,t the end of Lord Grenvilig's Administration, thou is
Get:rulic o6betion, '-waS'•a Cabinet. measure, •it
mined individn;tl should act, in his ineiv,,die_fl err
"ee. liapeck the pees" lit Ceev'ernment reiee'tt jie st.d- .
1- under the wiagi.Of S7IZ ft.: a preaellent 'from tea! c'eargo
-of vent upo,a- ne w p es. Tor himself he- f. rt per•
fectly at liberty to take,any coarse on' the -Catholic goes:Poo.,
which hik.juittnent Might dic.t.e.te; anal he had no besitatioA
in i`'inr -he .hould tie Ivatin,„: to go into a disi;,Assipti Orr
that subject any'ruan inor out of that House, that s soui-
ea 'to -prwaise to lead .to ethy ipraetical and- beneficial
• snit. ';doer Ire w • the leAinegocieition,
thate of . nau -oreiten ,lie Voutd see,
-.tough ne -.eery last man
of
impute an -54,
y th: •
'of diespv.'.ct e:rown on the part either of •the.No'eo .
lords, 'thee the: fel- which they shad Contended,' thoitgli is .
;Ilia!' it ought to be placed on any soutin; •
..diettliit:froin
_ether political arrangeineutse had never bran. •
• contended forasin the present instance, prior to the &kris-
`sioneof, the. other..arrangetnents. It was clear Lord Mu.'ea ,
had Understood this to be a subject of after eonsideration al
• :he had' declared, r‘ that -it was impassible for him to. tour
•-• cur in :making the. exercise otp,Ayer-• Over. the 'Household
-Officers a posi4ve and indispensable.condition in the fcx:i4-,11--
• tion oi a government." :t Lad alisfartunately beefy' raisin
tone of harshness -A hieir the cou :AU NV oul4 never-tuna-,)
-tetraircodu those ,who apprcached the -Throne. After, solve
furtlierobservations on this 86.1;:,cet, .the Noble Lord
clued a:rhos.t animated speech, tc Lich, froni,the lateness-, cS'
. the Wear, we f,!al,it.itupo.ssi* j:1-;tice , itz the lollowir4; •
terms.:— • • • • • , .
, •
." And zio:ee, all I have to say for Ministers ise—they cbu
•
the constitutional support of Parliament, till their aci..iOnS
speak then unworthy of .it., and though the•
'fiovignment may not po4sess within ir.seif all those atttioute.s
whichwc have heard
at
to broad. cud :extended Adminie
stralions, they;fiave leetst one -ve,..e.erurneudation to penile
-confidence (anel- it is not a small- that theyliatre-no
union alnung'thenvel.w.es. Wehave nd ptivalc enes,to answer
'we anxious to serve our cOan,efy,• to do our 14.5 t, afil. •
to submit mix conduct to the jittmeat of Parliainent. •
Mr. Sl-rwanr Wort2'4EY shortly replied. He declined.
going to a division, as feeling that he-should lose the suppci•t
of both sides of -the House;_ he did nut think it 'wouid
worth his While to do so. He 'should vote for the itzneuti-
' ment of the J Lord on this 'ground, • that olie did •not"
think all had been done that n.4,,ht, have, heen'done t.O cin,.,(
the Vote of the House into effect, amid he-could not ee,e•ent '
the proposition that this was a strOaee Administration.
• 'The quistiou Witt new loudly-called for.
'.l3li'.'l-11;sttrssONstutedit to be intention to vote for the
Anientlinente
• " 'Lord FOLKSTONE IntralAttd it. wit% not his wish totionlii!
• the House. to•divithi, brit atter a- short Conversation, the g3,'
lery was cleared for a division.
- Strangers were not .again admitted: We understand -that_
Mr. S. Wort.ley's Motion crr.ll tuyit,ivrd, that Lord Folkstkilt7
Rithift Wi.i, alotiini; and that the-I-P,:ise divided un the .
dress proposed by Lora Miltoo, when the numbers were,
for Adciress. - 1(14 .
Ag.i.1.,147. it
• Nlajtnitv ru favour of •
.Adloorlied kalif-pastTbrce this moraine.
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. We. .corgratalate the Country upon the
of the.De'llate fast night in the 11ouse,of Cam
mons.--We have many ohServarioris to make aP9°
this mostimpOritant debate, hilt we are compelled'
for want of room; to defer them.: -are
under the necesz;ity of 'ooetp-oni-,,,,- '.'ii to-worr°4
the of the of details of 'tile. Tice
Negoeiations respeet-Thg-the ).linisterial. Arrange'
merits./ •

44 4
The Ministerial. Ap m pointents which we Inc'
~
tioned yesterday; were perfectly correct. Sve
have to add, that Mr. AP.I3IIVINADT SUcceeds Al''
W. You: as Chief Secretary for Ireland, and :•\i.'
W. PERLE is to be the new Secretary of die Tree