The Sun.
London, England, 1840-11-02 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, MONDAY, NOVEMBER 2. 1840.

foundation of right and property throughout the realm."
Now, let us ask, on which side lies the Jacobinism ?
on the side of those who gave such a Bill all the op-
position in their power ; or of those who, professing
to be champions of Conservative principles in the
Legislature, either supported that Bill, or did not
oppose it ? The Legislature that exercised an arbi-
trary will in the new disposition of cathedral property,
shook the security of all other property. When the
1 Jacobins of the early French Revolution, to whose acts
Lord Lyndhurst's friend has so unluckily for his own
purpose alluded, were busily engaged in making a " new
settlement" of the Church property of France, Ed-
mund Burke, a man who was wiser before events than
the greatest of the modern statesmen of Great Britain
are after them, thus spoke of the process of sophistry
by which they endeavoured to reconcile the world to
their injustice. " Thcy (the Jacobins) say that eccle-
siastics are fictitious persons, creatures of the State,
whom they may at pleasure destroy, and, of course,
limit and modify in every particulat—that the goods
which they possess are not properly theirs, but belong
to the State that created the fiction." It was by
this sort of sophistry that the British Legislature
was induced to break in upon the sacred-
ness of Cathedral property, which the State neither
gave originally, nor had any right to take away.
On Saturday we published a speech of Lord Lyt-
telton's in opposition to the cathedral despoiling scheme
—a speech so distinguished for its enunciation of cor-
rect principles, for its just reasoning, lucid simplicity of
style, and modest ability, that it would do credit to the
veteran talents of the most experienced and accom-
plished member of the senate. It is thus then, in the
conclusion of that able and unanswerable speech, the
" youthful"—aye, the youthful Lord Lyttleton speaks of
the Bill which had its precedent in the " early part of the
French Revolution." " It is no consolation to us to know,"
says his Lordship, " that so dangerous a measure to
the Church is promoted by those who have been her
ablest defenders. Rather, when I look at this mea-
sure of wild and baseless confiscation, and see the ve-
nerable authority under which it is introduced, I can-
not but tremble. I do not say for the Church or for
the establishment of the Church—l tremble for none
but those who do wrong ; but for the nation that
does this evil—for the age which has produced such
a portent." Where is Lord Lyndhurst's speech de-
nouncing this " measure of wild and baseless confisca-
tion?" Where is the speech of him, who by his age,
his experience, his matured fame, his superiorpolitical emi-
nence, ought to have taken precedence of Lord Lyttel-
ton in defending principles and rights to which the Uni-
versity solicited the support of the professed friends of
our ancient institutions ? If there be such a speech in
existence, let it be produced. We ask, Where is it g
Echo answers, If is it ? Thus we see that when the
Senate of the University of Cambridge petitioned the
Legislature against a Bill destructive in its principle
and pernicious in its example, the youthful Lord Lyt-
telton was allowed the monopoly of the labour and merit
of boldly and energetically opposing that. measure. No
complaint was then made by the persons who now ex-
claim so vehemently against the " youthful. aspirant"
to University distinction, that Lord Lyttelton " set
aside the ordinances of nature" by-throwing himself
with heroic devotion into the post of toil and danger
" before that stanch defender of all our vene-
rated institutions, Lord Lyndhurst." If youth in
itself be no objection to taking, a foremost place
hi. the Senate of the empire, to fight the battles
of the University and of our ancient Constitution,
why, we ask, should it be any objection to taking
a foremost place in claiming the reward of faithful
services when the University has honours to confer ? Is
the soldier, who has fought with unflinching courage
arid fidelity, even in an unsuccessful cause,• or be who
has deserted his colours, and consulted for an' inglorious
security, parma non gene relicta, more deserving of
the soldier's reward ? Did not the party who sup•
ported the measure of t)poliation, against which the
senate of the Universty petitioned, calculate upon Lord
Lyndhurst as on anxiliary ? And Wit he desert these
also in the hcur of need, or not ? Why is it erougtit
necessary or decorous by any one advocating the claims
of Lord Lyndhurst to indulge in the following tirade
against Lord Lyttelton :—" His moral
_qualities ha, c
not yet developed themselves. He has the ;eduction of
a fortune, a good capacity, and a title—no one can tie!
how .he will use those advantages. They are, in the
common state of human nature, at least as likely to be
provocatives to irregularity as incitements to virtue ;
surely common prudertee--aurely v.nything but jace-
binical
.fulv, would dictate the sage but timely
precaution—wait, wait, till we see how he turns
out." How a " good capacity" can be a "provocative
to irregularity" we leave the "sage philosopher" who
penned the above passage to explain. We believe
that all reasonable and impartial people ;sell admit
that a young nobleman, with ample fortune, who de-
votes that . period of youth which many of his rank of
i less gifted mind or more ignoble ambition waste in
vicious indulgence or frivolous pursuits, to the acqui-
sition of learning in academic stelnAnn over the mid.
night lamp, gives a guarantee to the world that his
future years will not he barren of the golden fruit of
such early intellectual and moral cultivation. If in
tisat early period of life he has had sufficient strength
of mind and firmness of principle to resist all the temp-
o tations which beset high rank and Dfluent fortune,
surely it is not to be anticipated that advancing reason
will call forth irregularities of conduct which the im-
passioned and too often thoughtless season of early
youth failed to develope. But the " moral qualities" of
Lord Lyttelton have developed themselves greatly to
his own credit and to the credit of the University and

the peerage, to each of whicii iustii.uLions be is as much
for his moral as his intellectual qualities an ornament.
4e bears an unstained 'scutcheon. His reputation :s
pure and spotless. Illustrious in his lineage, which
binds him by more than one tie to our venerated Con-
stitution, he is not less distinguished for the moral vir-
tues which shed a greater lustre round nobility than that
which it derives from ancestral recollections.

FROM THE DAILY PAPERS OF SATURDAY.
( From the Globe.)

The question of self-goverment having been treated
of in one or two recent articles of the Globe, there
has been a fresh stir on the part of its advocates.
Among whom a writer—whose letter signed Canuleius
was admitted Into this paper on Saturday last,—pro-
lesses to rank himself. Like many others maintaining
the same political doctrines, he proves, by the total ab-
sence of all temper or moderation in his tone of ad-
dress, that the government of self has nothing what-
ever to do with what be calls self-government. He
deprecates despotisin, ypt declares that " the producers,"
by whom he exclusively means those who labour
with their hands, ere determined on doing so-and-so,
however much the " other classes" may be prejudiced
by, or opposed to it ; and with the same sangjroid that
the inmate of a house, who had nothing of nis own on
the premises, observed, in reply to an alarm of fire,
" It's nothing to me, I'm only a lodger," the writer in
question declares, in the name of his party, that having
nothing at stake he sees no terror in anarchy. If
these were the sentiments of the individual alone who
has recorded them, they would merit little attention ;
but they are unfortunately the ideas of a class whose
numbers give them a physical power, which, unre-
strained or misdirected, may become in the highest degree
dangerous to themselves as well as to the other classes of
society. He is far from being a friend to the people who
invites them to pursue recklessly an onward course by
showing them the difficulty that would be found in
checking it ; for such progress resembles that of an
unguided steam-engine, which, though it may drag
ruin and destruction in its train, is sure. to be the first
victim of its own violence. It is then the duty of those
who desire the well-being of the mass of the commu-
nity not to place obstacles in the way of the legitimate
exercise of the power which the people of a free nation
must possess, and ought therefore to enjoy, but to guide
it towards objects likely to be really conducive to their
happiness. That what is called self-government is
far from being necessary to the attainment of tlfis re-
sult, has very frequently been shown ; and, indeed, its
admitted impracticability is the strongest possible proof
of its not being designed for the use
.of society. Self-
government, which, in the sense used by its only consist-
ent advocates, means the ascendancy of each man's indi-
vidual will, cannot possibly be established until the same
will animates the whole community ; for even if a great
majority caused its will to prevail, the minority, how-
ever small, would have a right to complain of being de-
prived of the privilege of self-government.
(From the Standard.)
Of the many political parties into which France is
divided, that which looks upon the peace of Europe
with the deepest and most deliberate malignity,
though it is, at the present, the least prominent in
the war cry, is undoubtedly' that very party which,
if gratitude were not a virtue exiled from the
world of politics, ought to be most anxious to
maietain a friendly, and even affectionate, relation
with the' Four Powers, engaged by the Treaty of
July. The party to which we allude is the party
of the deposed branch of the House of Bourbon.
Many motives—though all of them most unworthy
motives—urge this party to rekindle the flame of war
in Europe. First, the parlie pretre, which is said to
be commensurate with the faction of the Duke of
Bourdeaux, calculate, from the experience of the
arrangement of 1815, that another and a more ex •
tensive resuscitation of Popery would follow the
termination of an European war. The politicians of
this class expect that in the confusion into which a
war must throw France, the nation would seek a
refuge from anarchy iu a second restoration ; while
the clergy, as a body, and individually, now degraded
below their proper rank, eagerly pant for the return of
the day when cardinals and bishops shall again direct
the Government of the country as they did before,
how little soarer to its profit or its honour, while a ha-
tred of heretical England, heretical Prussia, and half:
heretical Austria. adds the force of ail its bitterness
to the suggestions of ambition. From this quarter I
have issued the ravings of the Univers and of La- I
unerineia : from this quarter, too, has proceeded the ir.-
ti:nation that Louis Philippe will abdicate, so liberally
charged by the Paris Journals upon the English press.

If we are not mistaken, the hint appeared first in the
Gazette de France. conducted by a Jesuit priest.
(From the Courier.)
It is, as we remarked a short time ago, a subject for
congratulation, that Lord Ashley's unremitted exertions
in behalf of the unfortunate children confined in the
mines and manufactories, has forced an admission of the
necessity for inquiry into their condition from the Go-
vernment, which until the 4th of last August, seemed
determined to resist his demands, and thus to favour
those masters and mill owners, who prefer their own
pecuniary interests to the claims of humanity. We are
not to infer with some persons that extremity of
unavoidable distress compels the working classes to
expose their offspring to the hardships which, it is proved
beyond all question, are inflicted upon children. It
must be borne in mind that many of the parents of both
sexes have themselves been subjected to a like treat-
ment, and that particular vices are engendered by
it at an early age, for the full gratification of
which they do not find the produce of their own
labour sufficient. These vitiated parents seldom enjoy
the average duration of human life, and many of them
have married before the age of puberty in classes not
exposed to the same unnatural atmosphere. Mostly
uninstructed, they are reckless of the fate of their
children, notwithstanding that they must sometimes
remember the sufferings which they endured in their
earliest years. We do not deny that distress may have
its share in causing the employment of children of tender
age ; but, with the facts stated by Lord Ashley and M.
Dupin before us, we believe that the occasion of this
human sacrifice is to be found in the vices that are
so largely acquired in the mines and manufactories.
Even where immorality does not operate in this injuri-
ous manner, the debility produced in the prematurely
married of the working classes, by too early employment
rendering them unfit for too long continued exertion,
may compel them to eke out a subsistence from the la-
bour of their children.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE.

BOW-STREET.

Henry Bramwell, a carman, James Towertlyke, a
cabman, Fanny Roberts, and William Thornback, were
brought up for examination, the forme charged with
stealing a quantity of oats, the property of Mr. James
Maggeride, a corn-dealer, in Tottenham-court-road, and
the latter with receiving the same knowing it to have
been stolen.

The prosecutor stated that the prisoner Bramwell had
been in his service seven years as carman, and that
during the last few months he (witness) had missed a
considerable quantity of corn from his stores, which in-
duced him to watch the conduct of his servants, and
the result was, that suspicion fell upon the prisoner
Bramwell. On Friday last, witness gave him a written
order on Messrs. Hopkinson and Burroughs, of Paul's-
wharf, Upper Thames-street, to receive twenty quarters
of oats, consisting of forty sacks, and which he directed
him, after receiving them at the wharf, to deliver to Mr.
Grey, a livery-stable keeper, in Guildford-street, Rus-
sel-square. Witness afterwards met the prisoner Bran-
well in Bridge-street, Blackfriars, as he was returning
with the oats from the wharf, and watched him from •
there to Duke-street, Lincoln's-inn-fields, where the
prisoner stopped the waggon, and be afterwards saw him
take two sacks of oats from the waggon, and deposit them
in a stable in Chapel-place. The prisoner brought two
empty sacks back with him, and witness saw him secrete
them under the tarpaulin of the waggon. The prisoner then
drove the waggon in thedirection of Mr. Grey's, but witness
got there before him, and having communicated his sus-
picion to Mr—Grey, requeited he would not allow the
sacks to be emptied until his return. Witness then
went to the station-house in George-street, Bloomsbury,
where he procured the assistance of a policeman, who
accompanied him to the stable in Chapel-place, where
he found two sacks of oats, which he had no doubt (a!-
though not in his sacks) were those he had seen left
there by the prisoner Bramwell. He then retired to
Mr. Gre3's, and found that Bramwell had been there
and delivered but thirty-eight sacks of oats instead of
forty: The value of the two sacks -of oats stolen was
twenty-five shillings.
Me. Johnson, a corn-dealer at Uxbridge stated thet
he had lately been robbed of corn to a considerable ex-
tent, and had received private information that a consi-
derable quantity of-stolen corn was daily deposited at a
stable in Chapel place, and knowing that the prosecutor
had also been frequently robbed in a similar manner, he
communicated the above information to him. After
a very lengthened examination, Mr. Twyford remandtd
Bramwell until Thursday next for further exemination,
and consented to take hail for the other prisoners till
that day.

with a man named Williams, who urged him to ac-
company him, saying that he would put him in the way
of getting some money, and he took him on the night
before to the premises of Messrs. Winter and Rich,
into which they forced their way, and robbed them of
the property produced. He added that he was not
concerned in the robbery at Mr. Benbow's, but that
Williams, the man before alluded to, had given him the
case of instruments, which he (prisoner) had pledged
at a pawnbroker's shop.
The prisoner was fully committed to the Central
Criminal Court for trial.
James Wilson and Thomas Payne, alias Reed, two
of a gang concerned in plundering the houses of li-
censed victuallers, were charged with attempting to
enter the room of the Yorkshire Stingo in Blackfriars-
road, and robbing it.
It appeared that on the previous day the two prisoners,
accompanied by two other men, called at the Yorkshire
Stingo about one o'clock, and, having remained a short
time, they then went away, after having paid for their
refreshment. The same parties called again at seven
o'clock :n the evening, and inquired if they could be
accommodated with a private room, and they were ac-
cordingly shown up stairs to an apartment on the first
floor. Soon afterwards the waiter, who stated the case
to the Magistrate, in going up to the room where the
strangers were, observed the prisoner Wilson leaning,
over the banisters of the second floor, with a dark lan-
tern in his hand, and looking down apparently to see if
there was anybody below. The other prisoner, Payne,
stood outside the first floor room, and when he saw
him (the witness) he desired him to go down, and fetch
up some ale. The witness, however, gave the alarm on
seeing the man with the dark lantern, upon which
Wilson ran down, and endeavoured to get past him on
the stairs,. but he seized hold of that person's coat, and
tried to hold him, when Payne struck him on the side
of the head, and desired him to let go the man. The
other two men in the room rushed out, and escaped, but
the prisoners were secured at the bottom of the stair-
case by some of the customers, who ran to the boy's
assistance. It was discovered that the landlord's room
was opened with a skeleton key, but the thief had not
time to remove any of the property, owing to his hav-
ing been disturbed by ,some lodgers in an adjoining
apartment. On examining the pockets of Payne, a
cheque, of which the following is a copy, was found,
suspected to have been stolen from a gentleman, a few
days since, at a pugilistic contest which took place in
the neighbourhood of Cambridge :

" Saffron Walden and North Essex Bank.
" Clavering, Oct. 24, 1840.
" Messrs. Gibson and Co. Pay Mr. Perry 401.
(Signed) " JOHN NEWPORT."
In the course of the examination it was stated that
the prisoners were well known men belonging to the
" swell mob," and that they were suspected of being
concerned in the numerous and extensive robberies com-
mitted upon the London publicans.
The prisoners assumed to be strangers to each other,
declaring that they never saw one another until the night
in question.

The MAGISTRATE committed the prisoners for three
months to Brixton as reputed thieves.

THE ARMY.

(From the United Service Gazelle.)
CAVALRY.

6th Dragoons.—A vacancy has occurred by the
death of Lieut.-General Sir Joseph Stratton, C. 8.,
K.C.H., last Friday, in Park-street, Grosvenor-square.

WRECK OF THE ROYAL
GEORGE.

Colonel Pasley's operations at Spithead terminated on
Saturday the 24th instant, when the divers were em-
ployed for the last time, after having recovered a con-
siderable quantity of wreck in the course of the week,
the neap tides and the mildness of the weather having
favoured their exertions. Amongst the fragments got
up were several stancheons of the orlop deck, a complete
floor timber (the only piece that had not been broken
by some of the numerous explosions), and a very sub-
stantial half timber of the same description ; also some
carlins and parts of beams. The whole of the wreck
got up within the last three weeks was piled in front
of the lead-house in the Dock-yard. On Monday,
the 26th, the Success frigate hulk, and the two moor-
ing lighters or lumps, Nos. 4 and 5, were towed into
harbour by the Echo steamer, and the pensioner sea-
men were paid off the same day, whilst the Portsmouth
riggers returned to their duty in the Dock-
yard. On Tuesday afternoon the stores supplied
from Portsmouth Yard having been landed, and the re-
maindea
_put on board the Lightning navy steamer,
commanded by Lieut. Waugh, Colonel Pasley, with all
the Royal Sappers and Miners, the divers and their
assistants, and the Chatham riggers, who had been
employed at Spithead, embarked in the same vessel, and
were landed in Chatham Yard, next day, about two
o'clock P.M. Thus his operations have closed for the
present season, but not with so much success as the
Colonel had anticipated, for he had sanguine hopes of
clearing away the whole of the wreck before the begin-
ning of November. This has not been accomplished,
for the shoal of mud, noticed in one of our former num-
bers, in which the remains of the wreck, and guns, to
the value of nearly 4,0001., are still buried, has been
ascertained to be about 150 feet from east to west (this
having beea the direction of the ship's length), and
from 120 to 195 feet in breadth froci north to south ;
its extreme height above the general level of the an-
chorage is 9ft. 6in., but its average height is much less,
and it slopes away gradually on all sides. These dimen-
sions are, according to the soundings taken by Serjeant-
Major Jenkins Jones, of the Royal Sappers and Miners,
and Mr. Clewitt, leadiug rigger in Portsmouth Yard,
on the 23d inst., in Colonel Pasley's presence ; and they
suffice to prove that at least one half of the mass of mud
covering the wreck has been washed away since Lieut.
Symonds and Mr. Clewitt sounded over it on the Bth of
August last, when it measured 200 feet from east. to
west, and, on one part, nearly 302 feet from north to
south, its extreme height being 14 feet. Thus the half
anchor creeper, substituted for the rake, by partially
raising the timbers which it gets hold of; and enabiing
the diver to sling, and the workmen to weigh them,
disturbs the mud, and gives greater effect to the con-
tinual action of the tides, which washes it away. Last
year when Colonel Pasley commenced his operations,
several parts of the wreck stood 33 feet above the level of
the anchorage, for the stem was perfect above the level
of the lower deck, as well as the stern, and the whole
starboard side was standing to nearly the same level, the
larboard side having fallen over ; whilst the fragments
of the upper decks, consisting of massy beams, &c.
whose fastenings have been eaten away by the worms,
lay in a confused mass over all. Colonel Pasley, on
breaking up his establishment for the season, expressed
his extreme satisfaction with all the men employed,
whether divers and their assistants, riggers, sappers
and miners, or seamen ; and he has expressed himself
particularly pleased with the zeal and efficiency of the
pensioners, nearly forty of whom have worked under
him during the whole of this season, and has declared
that he will be happy to receive any of them next year,
if not better employed. Many officers are of opinion
that men of war may anchor over the wreck of the
Royal George in its present state with safety, because
none but broken fragments of large timbers or light
pieces have been found lately, which have not consist-
ency enough to carry away a ship's anchor, or break a
chain cable ; but the natural action of the tides, by
washing away the mud which now covers them, will lay
the remaining floor timbers and guns bare, which will be
an impediment hereafter, so that the anchorage can
scarcely be considered in a safe or satisfactory state
until the whole of the present shoal of mud, and all
that remains buried under it, shall be reduced to the
level of the bottom around it. When this shall have
been accomplished, the tide will have no tendency to
effect any further change, and if any fragments should
still remain below that level, they may be disregarded
if small, or broken to pieces by new explosions in the
course of next summer, if large. The necessity of such
very great explosions as have repeatedly taken place
hitherto, is not, however, anticipated fan the future.—
Hampshire Telegraph.