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Monarchs. He allowed that nothing would be more base and
vulgar than to pander to the low spirit of detraction against
those Sovereigns. But let them remember that this was the
only country in which their conduct could be canvassed, and
that they were only attacked because they were the aggfessors,
and because they hadeset to work those mighty machines of
mischief which were intended to desolate and lay waste the
liberties of mankind. They must
he teme . bee that beautiful
passage in the life of Mr. Fox, -wlitre • as complaining of
If
,h.be Manner-in which Hurtle had -Om , over the crimes of
rrincese thereby Softening that jukignte t of posterity which
ieepesed the Meet powerful restraint urpn their conduct. They
were told„that this measure•wes to expire in two years; but he•
wan at a loss to know.hovi that could'he construed into an argu-
ment for its continuance at preSene If it would be unnecessary
two years hence, why, was it necessary now? He desired to
have a reason why they'were to change the law from that. which
was the law from the time of James 11. down to the French
war. It was- the custom to meet any proposal for removing
abuees by asking why they should alter laws under which
the country had acquired its present happiness and enjoyment.
It was said they were not to repeal the Usury Laws for the
same reason ; and he believed that upon the Game Laws they
were told that under them the country had acquired its glory
and its greatness, and therefore they ought not to he touched.
Nay even that infamous traffic for the abolition of which they
had just taken another important step, had been defended upon
the same grounds. The greatest of all traitors to the prin-
ciples of liberty, lie who paid them the greatest honour by seek-
ing their shelter in the hour of distress. Lord Strafford, upon'
his trial for treason implored their Lordships not to make hint
the victim of constructive laws, by departing from the old
principles under which their country had flourished in glory
and happtness. He (Mr. D.l would now say the same.—
( Hear!)— There We's nh:period• in which the history of this
country slimed so favourably is- from the Revolution down to
the commencement of the American war. During that time no'
such law existed; and why, •he would ask, ,did they now wish
to depart from the course which then led the country to its
greatnees and glory ? ' The lion. Member then supposed the
case of one of the Powers of the Holy Alliance applying to this
Government, and declaring that there were individuals here
plotting against the authority of such Power. If this Govern-
ment did not belieVe such to be the case, they would itthse to give
.up the pdrson, and then they would be placed in• a dilemma to'
which they ought not .to be liable. The eight hundred millions
of debt would prevent them .from going to war, and he sup
posed Prance would be called in to mediate, and then we
should be advised to concede the point—to accept the same an-
vice which we gave to Spain under the mask of friendship.
Ile;* as an humble individual, would lift up his voice against
placing -a power in the hen& of the Secretaries of State which
they ought not to have, and without which the country had
run her most glorious career in the time to which liehad de.
scribed. He thought it the duty of every man to get rid of the
Bill—not in two years, but in the very first -instant at which
it *3.3 possible: :It appeared, indeed, that they should
have got rid, ' of it, but for a plot that was discovered a
fortnight
.ago. What an opportune and •seasonidele plot !
This may be a good reason with Ministers for propoeingehe
renewal of the Bill, but was it any reason wily Parliament
should grant it ? They might know a great deal about this
plot, but what did the Parliament know of it ? All they had
hitherto known of plots was, that after throwing the country
into consternation and disorder they turned out to be the laugh-
ing stocks of the world. 'Yet they had suspended the Habeas
Corpus, they had suspended the Trial. by Jury, they had de-
stroyed the lives and happiness of the people.—(llcar, hear !)
If he objected to the bestowing of the power upon other
grounds, he certainly should not be disposed to yield it upon
this. It had been admitted by the Right Hon. Gentleman 1
that this was not a perfect measure in reference to its object,—
But
he had been connected with the Government for the last
eight years
.during. which it had existed, and yet he had sup-
ported its imperfections. To be consistent the Right lion.
Gentleman must not be liberal only upon minor points, but
look with the same sentiments to those great things of the
law—mercy and ' justice. He should support the amendment,
and there would be Sufficient time, in the course of three or
four weeks, to bring in a measure which might secure our ami-
cable relations with foreign states from interruption ; which
gave to the Government a power more consonant with the prin-
ciples
of the Constitution, and to the stranger who sought re-
fuge on our shores, a protection from arbitrary power, and some-
thing like a feeling of safety.
Lord J. RUSSELL supported the amendment. Much had
been said about the danger of conspiracies, and that, indeed,
appeared , to be the only ground upon which the Bill was•now
maintained. Let them examine - what a conspiracy-was. It
was necessaey to a conspiracy that there should be the persons
who conspire, and the object .against which they are conspir-
ing; and it was equally necessary that the parties should be
in presence of each other, so far as to be in the same country.
It' any foreigners were to conic here, and conspire against
the English Government, both parties being present, the
crime would be manifest; but it' they conspired against a fo-
re4;ll Government, there would be only one party, the actors,
consequently there could be only the sha-
aanoll noto h
t the
aoonhjecspirt, conspiracy
and not the substance. Ile opposed the
Bill, but he certainly did not wish the country to go to war in
the cause of aliens. He trusted this would be the last time
that the Bill would be proposed to the House, and that the prey
=lent which it afforded would never again be considered as an
example worthy of imitation. . .

The House teen divided, when the numbers appeared—
For the Amendment - - - 40
. .
For the Third Reading -- - - 93
Majority . . .
_53
-
While strangers were excluded from the Gallery, we were
informed that Alr. Denman moved to limit the duration of the
Bill to one year. The Amendment was lost; and. upon the
question " That the Bill do pass," the 'louse again divided.
Ayes - - - -11 l
Noes - - -
- 47
Majority . - - - —__,44
BANKRUPT LAWS.
The Bankrupt Laws' Amendment Bill was recommitted, and
several Amendments agreed to.
The Bill, With its Amendments, was reported, and the Re-
port ordered to be taken into further consideration on the 3d
of Nay. . . .
NEW CHURCHES.

The CHANCELLOR of the .EXCHEQUEII moved the
bringing op of the Report of the CoMmittee upon the Church
Building Ads. -
Mr. HUME could not allow the report to be brought up,
because he was not satisfied that sufficient reason had been
shewn for appropriating so large a sum of money to such a
purpose. Besides this, he believed that there was no instance
to be found within the last fifty years where Parliament had
been called upon to vote money that would not be wanted in
the course of the year; and they -had it upon official authority
that this money would not be required for three years to come.
In the second place, he thought the grant would increase the
-patronage and influence of the Church, and he considered the
influence of the Church to be the 'nest baneful of all influences
that could be exercised. He therefore moved-that the report
be received that day six. months. -
Mr. WARRE said that he had attended to the argnments
on both sides of this question, and upon the whole he thought
it right and just to support the Vote.—(llear, hear!)—The
Hon. Member for Aberdeen had indulged in somewhat of a
tone of asperity towards the Established Church. He stated
that the Dissenters were every day increasing, but he (Mr. W.)
would put to his candour whether he could deny that'in many
populous towns the people were driven to Dissenting Chapels
from their -inability to procure admission to the service of the
Church—(Hear, hear, hear !)—lle believed, because he knew
it to be true, that in some minions towns people who at-
'tended such meetings woula.not do so if there was a church
with the &Ay well performed.—(Hear, hear!)—He hoped that
something would be done in the Bill to change the mode of
presentations; and when it came before the House there :was
much that might be said on that point. He could not giVe a
silent vote upon the occasion, because he differed Brom those
with whom he usually acted, and in whose opinions lie gene-
rally placed the greatest confidence.
Mr. Alderman BRYDGES. made some observations which
were

' Mr. EVANS said, that although he was inclined to vote for
the Grant,' he did not altogether approve of the plan of the
Chance'lvr of the Exchequer.
Mr.
,SMlTH'said, t hat as far as his experience went there
were a greater number of Dissenting. Churches than Establig;ed
ones, though he did not say that this was because the 14tter
Were ill served. lie did .not, however, entirely disapprove of
the idea of election to fill them ; nor did he think election was
necessarily inconsistent with dignity.
Sir IL ytunuisos and Mr. BIRCH opposed the Vote.

Sir I. COFFIN supported the Vote. Ee thought we should
be undermined if we did not keep a sharp look out and keep
the methodists out of our houses as well as our churches.—(A
laugh.)--They were such a set of rooted fellows that they
would make their mty through the cellars.—(A laugh.).;.-Their
influence led to prostitution and dishonesty ; and to counteract
that influence, he, as an honest churchman, would support the
Vote.—(Laughter and loud cheers.)
Mr. BUTTERWORTH supported the Vote, and defended
the Methodists against the charge brought against them by the
gallant Admiral, and that also by a Learned Gentleman (Dr.
Lushington), on a, former evening. The illethodists were of
much use in educating the poorer classes. Ilethought the in-
crease,of the number of places of worship generally led to a.
similar increase as to schools. He supported the vote, though ,
he was sorry to find that the Church of England could not be
supported without reflections on the Members of other Com-
munities.

Mr. THOMAS WILSON sroke in favour of the motion, on