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tion, the Noble Lords should be heard, and, for his,
parr, be should say, that the decision of any Court of
Law woo hi- be in their latn•ur7
Mr. VANbITTART explained.
Mr. CLIREVE% said he should not take the sense of
the House on the preceding resolutions, but on the
last, to which an amendment had byen proposed, he
should divide.
The resolutions were (hen put and negatived
without a division, until- they cane to the last, upon
which Mr. BRAND moved, as aruimendment, that a
Cotnniittee sh-ould be appointed to inquire into the
precedents, if any such existed, in which the
Hon.e had interfered for the tedudion or sup-
pression of fees in the office of Teller of the Ex-
chequer.'
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his
objet was to get rid of the original motion and of
the amendment, for which purpose he sbould vote
for the original words w4en the question ,
on the amendment was put, and afterwards he
should negative them also.
The House then divided, •
For the Amendment -
Against it - - - - - !46
The Resolution, as it stood originally, was nega-
tived without a division.
The Marquis of TAvisTocK, moved for leave to
bring in a Bill fin. the better regulation of Elthions.
His objea he stated to be, principally, to prevent
the expence to which Freeholders were exposed, and
to provide that a Special County Court should have
the nomination of the Candidates.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no
objection to the introcluElion of the Bill, as it had
upon-the face of it a promise which entitled. it to
discussion, but he could not pledge himself, until he
saw the regulations, whether they were such as he
could give his support io. He'did not conceive with
the Noble Lord that the overgrown influence of the
Crown was such as to enable it to keep in any set of
Ministers, however unconstitutional. On the con-
trary, he was persuaded that it would neither sup-
port an unconstitutional Minister, nor one who
wanted the confidence of the people.
Leave gratited.
Mr. ft:4,NET moved for a Copy of the appoint-
ment of the Depoty Usher of the Black Rod, and
an account of the amount of his salary for the last
ten years. This motion he stated was an introduc-
toty step to the regulation of the officers of the House
of Lords, upon the same principle with those of the
Commous. _ _ _

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHRQU ER said, he,
had no objeaion to the information required, nor,
he was sure, would the House of Lords. He would,
however, submit, \chatter it would be advisable to
make au ogler to that effea for the attendance of a
FerAin who was an officer of the'LordS. The way
be should propose to'get rid of this difficulty, was
by giving an instruction to the Committee of Fi-
.nande, wriich vv,s row sluing, to ask permission
for the attendance of the proper officer, and examine
him as to the fiats.

Mr. TIERNEY did not think it would be any dis-
repea Is, the House of Lords to order the attend-
ance• of their Officer, who was not appointed by
them, but by the King or.the Lord Chamberlain.
Mr. W. WYNNE did not recollect that they had
ever asked leave of the Lords for the attendance.of
their Officers. Such Officers were, like all other
Commoners, subject to tile orders of that House.
• Ttie SPEAKER sated the usual course to be the
appointment of a Committee ; a course which be
believed was principally adopted for convenience,
that triode of examination being more complete in
itself.
After some further observations from the Chan-
cellor of the Exthequer, Mr.-Bankes,and Mr, Tier-
ney, Mr. Bennet consented to confine his motion
to an aalicatiou for a copy of the appointment—
The Motion was then agreed to.
Sir J. NEWPORT gave notice, that on Thursday
Pext be would move for leave to bring in a Bill for
the relief of the, Protesiant Disienters in Ireland,
called Seceders. . _ _

Ti:e other Orders of the.pay were then disposed
of; and the House adjduraed as Haif-past One.

It is not exye9ed that the North Yolk Militia,
_ at- present on duty. at -Nottingham, will return to
Brighten.

A specimen of the Songs, &c. in the Siege of
Badaioz, now performing with unbounded applauiet
at ASTLEY'S

CHORUS
Of Sappers and Miners with entrenching Tools, &c.
We Sappers and Miners at night take our birth,.
From al! eys secure, in the bowels of the earth,•
I'hen away to brcak ground, to our orders still true,
British Yalout shall quickly the foe, boys,,subdrie.

SONG;•AND CHORUS.
British Artillerymen, &c. with Stage Cannon, Mortars, &:•

Our bombs shall-triangle
Like starbin thc..sky,,
Like sttckvers of hail-stones
o Cannon-balls they shill fly.
CHORUS:
(Waving their hats.l
Iluzza, HuZza, Huzzit„

We'll breach their Crown Isaftery,
Knock down their sfrong'wali,
Ile that enters the town first
Shall be Landlord of all./
CHORUS.
Huzza, Mazza,' Huzza,

, SONG AND CHORUS.
•
The British Army, attended by a diviSionef WaggonDrivers,
with Scaling Ladders, &c.

Field Marshal Lord Wellington, as brave as can be
Shall find tic v, ill tight fulls valiant as he,
Tho' Phillipon bravely defends still the town,
-British courage shall all opposition•bear down,
Stalin* Ladders prepar'd, to the assault, boys, advance;
United, we'll soot► strike the flag of proud France.
CHORUS..
Scaling ladders, Sco. •

Death or Vikory ! resounds taro' the ranks, my brave boys,
The time of attack forms the soldier's best joys ;
W bile the watch-word is given by our Noble Commander,
Put all to the sword, boys, that wilt-not surrender.
Huzza, boys !Luisa, to the assault let's advance,
Euglaud's standaro shall fly ou'r the flag of proud Fratut,
CHORUS.

Huzza, boys Huzza, &c.
• We understand .there are artier ingenious Lyric,
Oompositionsiui the like flame of war.

having tetlst-38, was, thftt of their ereftipi
meet furnaces in America ?—I have been so inform-
ed; but certainly one reason of the goods not hay ing
been exported for the last year and a bait', was the
Non-intercourse A& ; but before that the export of
steel had considerably diminished, and I understood
the reason of that was its manutadvite in the United
States.

You have stated, that a great number of wolk-
men have been turned out of employ, and the wares
of those still employed diminished ; do you happen
to know whether the poors' rates of Birmingham
have been increased or diminished of Lite ?—The
pools' rates of Birmingham• have not very co:..yclera•
biy increased, within tlre last year or twin they have
sotoevhit increased. I know the pours' rates of
Birmingham are rattier higher than they were three
or four years ago,'perhaps one-sixth or One-seventh ;
the paopets in- Birmingham amount now to about
wished to prove the public spirit 61. the Me3sinians,
nine thousand, men, women and children.

By'paup,rs, do you mean persons wholly snp-
ported by parish relief ?—Not whollysuppbried, but
receiving front half-a-crown to five, six, and seven
shillings a weck, it being consicicved that that is ne-
cessary to the preservation of their lives, for none
others are relieved. • _ _

That is, in addition to OF assistance derived
from cubs ?—Certainly ; and the assistance from
clubs is very great. :there is hardly any manufat-
toyer in Birtningham but belongs to some'club, by
which he accumulates his property rn pronerous
times to have the advatyage of it in adverse
times. Ido not know, as to .the villages round,
how that is.

The number of those who receive parish relief is
exclusive of those who receive relief trum privnte
charity ?—Certainlyi when I spenk of Birmingham
and the paupers, I include the hamlets of Ashted
and Deritend, which unite to Birmingham; and imm
part of the town., but not of the parish 01 Bn-
mingham.
When you speak of the number of poor amount-
ing_ to nine or ten thousand, do you mean upon the
population of the town of Birmingham and those
two hamlet ?—Yes, certainly, including about 80
thousand 'souls. -

How many labouring.men do you estimate to bd
employed in the iron tnanufatiories of Bittninghani
and the villages within 15 miles ?—I think I stated
about 50,000. "
F►fty thousand menl--No not men ; the whole
population of the manufacturing district is.not above
400,000, of course 50,000 of that cannot be em-
ployed in the iron trade; but from what I know
of the iron and coal trades, I should conceive at
least fifty thowand souls ate employed in this ma-
nufaaure.-

Perhaps you cannot estimate what number of
men are employed in the coal and iron trades ?—I
cannot.

In ordinary times 1--There are a great number of
iron works in Staffordshire, and it Is by no means
uncommon for from :3 to 500 men to be employed
in those works.

Do you know of any other means of employing
ten thousand of those persons, should they be-turn-
ed out of emplov'?--Noue ; their habits of life al-
mo%t unfit them for any other means of livelihood.
Do you korbw of any reluEtance to dismiss their
men on the part of the master minufatlurers of Bir-
mingham and the neighbourhood.?—Very great re-
ltniance on the part of all the inannEtaurers of
Birmingham and the neighboutho)d; they have
been. accumulating for the last I,2inonths almost
the whole of their capital in the payment of their
workmen, partly from Motives of interest, looking
forward to different markets. opening to their trade,
but principally from- motives of ' honourable hu7
mani y.
The manufaElurers haying thus looked forward to
an opening to their trade, and having accumulated
their articles and exhausted their -capital ; .d
-o you
.know what the manufa6turersi will•now do with
their goods should their hopes of there opening of
their trade be,disappointed ?—They must be com-
pelled to discharge probably one-third of the me-
chanics in the whole of the manufatturing distriers
-of Biriningham ; when I say discharge them, I mean
altogether discharge them, the othets being kept on
at hail "work or two-thirds work : I hav6 taken

pains to ascertain the state of employment of the
inanufaNurine.eagses in Birmingham, in the vil-
lages round 1 have not, but in Blibingham I have
,ascertained to my satisfaion that hey are not em-
'ployed more than one half of full' work.
Do you know whether any orders have been re-
ceived in Birmingham from America, the execution
of 'which was conditional on the. repeal of rhe Or-
ders in Council have heard that very many or-
ders of that description were 'received.
In those orders were, any particular articles ex-
cepted ?—I know that certain articles have been
omitted, on the ground that. they are now mauu-
taCtored in America. •
What are those artiCles?----They are nail. 3, and
some other articleS, I think bridle bits and plated
wares, and certain descriftions of the manufactures
• of Bit mingham.
Nails in particular were very extensipely exported
to America ? —Very extensively irdeed.
•Do nut you knoW that v, hole-families are employed
specially in the nail trade know that ten thou-
sand families are employed in that trade ; they exist
in that trade, they can hardly be said to live, for I
have noticed, that they work from four in the morn,
ing till ten at night, and,by their utmost exertion,,
upon the average, .they can earn only from ten to
twelve shillings a week, labouriug mtn. The nails
are increased on the hands of the master.manu-
facturers to a very great event; some of them
have discharged half their i.vork.cneri ;. die others
retained them,, but not itorn,reg'ard to profit, for it
is to their bitter- lo,s,;bat s,,lely from humanil
and a sense of duty. The :great increase to thekr
labour is owing to -their extremely low wages,
that they are compelled to work more than human
nature can hear, in order to earn a very bare sub-
ststence.

(To be continued.)

:Lieutenant-Colonel CAmFutr,L, of the 794 Regi_
mein, is appointed Depury•Adjutaut General to the
Forces in the bland of Jamaica, in the room of
Brigadier General HORSFOItD, who is now stationed
at Bermuda.

`FE

The following circular bas been•addressed to ti:e
Cominiwding Officers of the'LGoal Militia

(CIRCULAR.)

" vYliiteh.~ll, 17th Apra.

"Su ,---I'h& being teatnn to apprehend, from
the various distUrbanees which have takt.n place in
some'Of otir 'manufa6turing disiritts, that attempts
may be made 'h.): dispo,Al parsons 10. Seize. or de•
strov the arms belonging to the Local I am
dire;.led by Mr'. Secietaty Ryder to Imptets upon
you the neco,ny of adopting the most efi'ectu.ll.
Means tor the defence of your Dcp6', in ease atq.;
sueh
.attempt should-be made, and to point•ont W.
)ou th;propriely of having the permanent Stalff
y..t.
your Regiment, under the command of the Adu.l
tans, in such a state of constant efficiency, as lb
immediately available for its defence.

kam at Ifie,sante time to observe to you,. that
the Lielitcnalicy ef the Conn y are by. law,obliged
to furnish a tit an proper place for the Depot '; and•
:a case the building now appropriated to that- purpose
should not appe3r to afford, in its present State,a;le,
(pia e rite,ins of resistance, Mr. Ryder hat to' de ire
that you will either make immediate' 4pplication to
the Lietitenaticy for providing some *place of greaser
strength, or wit adcopt seine practical" niJde of.
guarding your present 'Depot, and of tittnini,hing ttie
of its forcible, catty, in 'order
who may be lAged in, it, ma i e4,abled to, refuel;
any sudden attack, broil etrectu,l
',(which means have been -1:-ilten' to pt °yid& at tile
lltortest notice) can be broQght to their relief." '

The first assembling: of the centre bet!Ation
the Sussex Local Militia,,Lient. Colunvl
Commindant, consisting of ihose who hive mit re-
ceivesl the • benefit of 'devious tid,nrng,'-together
with the Serjeants, Corporals, Drummers, &c..

take 'place at Brighton, on Monday next, Dilly I I,
and the collective mustering on the' Monday bil-
lowing.
A very superb piece of plate has been ordered by
Lieutenant-General i‘IAcooNALD to be. presented to
the M-ss of the 55q1 .tiegitnen,t,•of which h
Colonel, and which will take place, in due 161'010-
on the arrival of that distinguished corps fro"
Jamaica, now etpeded, after an absence of nine.
years.

General LEFEBVRE, who has lately broken his
parole, was taken in a skirmish between the ad"
vanced parties of French and British cavalry, Ileac
Sahagun, when Set.it.T, followed' by BUONAPARcit
in petson, advanced against the British army 'under,. -
Sir Jon Moorte, in the close of the campaign VI
1808, just before the commencement of the retreat
of the British army. He defended himself bravelti,
haviog his clothes much cut with the sabres of tire
British Dragoons. He was much distres-ed at the
idea that, he would be-blamed,by BUGS APARTE C°C
suffering himself to be taken in so foolish a wal._;
and BUONAPARTE did accordingly blame hini in tb:
Bulletin relating to the occurrence, although wide
some commendation of his courage. Besides being
allowed to come to Cheltenham, arid remain the°
•on his parole, at the request of Colonel NlAci..Lop•
LEFEBVRE was allowed to come to London for we'
dical advice ; and On that occasion he received hoy
liteattenti:ms from several persons of dis:intc-11°t; -
The Physiei ins whom he consulted, much to thcii
honour, refused to take any fees' from hint. Generla
LiFF.By'RE had a watch v, hen he was takes;, wb:c'
he valued very highly ; and 'such was the atientO°
shewti to hint, th it this watch, after three years
stowed in re,earch and inqury, among the dr4:
goons engaged in the skirmish and afterwa.rds' ,
guarding the prisoner, was, at length, by the
tions of the Earl of Motaik and tne PEINCB Ire
GENT, recovered last summer, and sent down
him at Cheltenham from the PRINCE by the 11:-",1
of, Major CAMAC, Private Secretary to Sit ft WELei;
Lt.stEy. General LEFEBVRE was a gteat lavoi" 4
of BuoNATARTs,, who., we bear, had (wile hint,
Count in one of his first creaiions of his new 1\14%1
; but Geilef;il--LEFUDVRE, slid not. 11)310
the tirle. ife was to ried to. the daughter
eminent bankef at Paris,, we rather
Ith
PER EGAU X, Min IS the Banker of the .6ug°,
This Lady had been now abhut we've wooth',.
tn
li;3oand, odznioed :to conic over and res',:;
with the General at Chehenhent,. where site t'x'
tiericed the same poi!te atrention sheo.l%of
her husband. It had !Cr some time been proP°o(
to exchange G,•neral LEFLuvRE for the Oukc
NORTHUMBEHLNND'S biOtirei, the Etri BF.sreill•blo;
but no definitive arrangeat cat was come, lOt
likely to be. ,
• „ cen-
Oo Sunday night, abolt t weire o'clock, as - t
-..tleman was passing near Fir zroy-,qa.ne,. he
tacked by tout or five ra,n, who I.; wick ed hits. 01-°-1
d
ani, to prevent him making any noi,e, stutle
ivy
mouth till he was nearly sutfo'cated, wt!ile
.robbed him of his watch, eze.

anti li.". ' Co %
OD Thursd,Y the loth nit. the Laly of lam" ". c'''''
1::Fq. Or. Flostoit, Snlr,ll:, of a I.);n:gfiter: t
, dy 0 .
"VI Nh-""ia) eV'',lll,4 last, ili St.nnford-stsect, ttic-".'
Joseph ti wilt, Architect, of a Dal4,;nter. -r: es"
Ott I uesday List, at his house in Cutiaedincl,place. .03,,
rc.)ati, tlic Lady of captain G. Nicholson, of tite t:oyal '.
tines, ()la Duhter. stilt-born.' foe Shut"
On Tituradsy inorino4 at Tottenham, Mrs. Geo•b-
dew(); th, of a DauAlitott.
_..----'

On Saturday the 41 inst. at St. George's
• AI .4 R it I El). •
. .
by :the 4.ev. Dr. ktikiti, P rebel:dm.), of 'Winclu;sref,
Henry Rivers, Bart, to Miss halt:. " - r•
b. . • .r.
At • Norwich, .on -r.hurs.kt) , i‘l ty 7; by ' the 'Reli• '.,,,,,
Slapp, A M. l'a::.e. Nicol Scott, Escj. Surgeon, to 11''',1
beth, youngest ,I..ugliter of the laic Dania Gaining. •
th',rt Clty„.
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148.:.telfinl);Ntr,aforntd,fayhsee'rnlalgie4,ht, atp ILLoi%)ver. TOothig, Su'rreY, Ir. ttbi;
On Sunday ar'stut uf';-I.,j'isrs.i ou "
the seat ocifa,uSgik:
Smith, Bart. William Sruhh, lute 'of 06;4 Cullo,o
(..oxtl)l.ll.l°nri‘:\:')':id,nnictill:telll2)(7l7ll'ist3i.ryt:a.rfl."..firs house
ll.' tet
t ; I I At
COn the t;th ult.-in the 65th year of his age, I",c^"e and
kin,, Esc! ~/Orty years 111anag,n. of the Ile:Oast,
.Newq,
Derry Theatres. .

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