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EV.RNING,

MARCH_ 8,, 1A47..

Nol.le :I,end the Member for Lynn. It was quite a mistake
to suppose that his Noble Friend was et all irritated in bring-
ing forward his motion. That, hoeever, was not the point
before the House. It might be very well for the Hon. Member
to talk to the House, and tell them that he knew the difference
between addressing a vulgar and uneducated assembly and one
like that which he was then addressing, and skip over all the
details of his arguments. The question vies were opinions to
go forth to the world upon a subject which at present interested
the public mind to a very great extent, and was public enter-
prise to be affected by mere declamation in that House ? The
Hon. Gentleman had said that a large expenditure in railways
did cot necessarily benefit the revenue.
Mr. GOULBURN—No, no.
Mr. DISRAELI—What, then, was the course of argument
pursued by the Hon. Gentleman ? His Noble Friend (Lord G.
Bentinck ) and those who acted with him, had certainly been
endeavouring to impress upon the country the idea that an ex•
penditure of money in the construction of railways was a
benefit to the country; if the Hon. Gentleman was not at-
tempting to make out the converse of that proposition, a great
portion of the time occupied in the debate could have been
spared, and he might, at least, have been induced to
occupy neutral ground. Ile certainly understood the
Honourable Member to say, that it was a mistake
to suppose that a great expenditure in railway enterprise
had a necessary tendency to increase the revenue of
the country, because they had had a great expenditure of money
upon railways, and that, too, in a year of great deficiency. If
that was not his argument, what was it? II;s argument cer-
tainly was, that they had a great deficiency in the revenue, as-
similating with a great expenditure in railways, and therefore
a great expenditure in railways did not at all tend to increase
the revenue of the country. The Hon. Gentleman had, how-
ever, just stated, that when he refereed on a former occasion to
the expenditure upon seven of the lines of railways which he
then named, he did not refer to it in order to show the
amount expended abut the amount about to be expender'.
What, then, became of the other portion of the Hon. Mem-
ber's argument? If he meant anything at all, he meant to
show that lion. Gentle.nen on his side of the House were all
for railways; but he (Mr. Goulburn) could show that the ex-
penditure upon railways would not advance the revenue of the
country, for in the year 1840 there was a deficiency of
2,5e0,000/., and they had, at the same time, a proposition to
spend 47,000,000/. ; therefore the House might see that a de-
ficiency of 2 500,000/. was of more power than the proposed
expenditure of 47,000,0001. Suppose, for instance, that the
proposed expenditure had been an amount equal to that of
the national debt, the Honourable Member might then
have got up and said there was a great deficiency
but he would undertake to show them what they expencleJ in
public works would not produce any benefit to the revenue,
because there was a proposed expenditure of 800,000,0 tOl.,
and they still had an increased deficiency. And when, there-
lore, the Honourable Member said that the amount of capital
he referred to was not raised, but proposed to be raised, what
became of his arguments? He thought that was the real
state of the case. He certainly thought that it would
be better to have had the speech of the Honourable
Gentleman answered at once in the Committee. The
opinion expressed by he Hon. Gentleman was an opinion
of great weight, and coming from so great an authority
had had great weight with persons out of doors. The state-
ment made by Mr. Laing, and alluded to by the Hon. Member,
was a statement of an expenditure of 60,000,000/., which
commenced in 1822, and actually included in it the Manchester
and Liverpool Railways. He thought he had then made the
case perfectly clear to the House.
Mr. CARDWELL wished to address a few remarks upon
parts relating to the question. The first point was, were the
statements made by the Hon. Member for the University
of Cambridge perfectly and literally true in point of fact. The
second point was, were the arguments which his Hon.
Friend intended to base upon those statements perfectly true
and fair? The Hon. Member then went on to recapitulate
the statements made in the speech of his Hon. Friend on the
occasion referred to by the Noble Lord the Member for Lynn,
and contended that they were strictly and literally borne out
by the facts of the case. It was quite unfair to suppose that
his Hon. Friend should undervalue the benefits of railway
communication. He should, indeed, think that his lion.
Friend would be unworthy to occupy the high position he held
in that House if he entertained such opinions.
Mr. HUDSON wished to say a few words with respect to
the statements of the Right Hon. Gentleman the ex-Chancellor
of the Exchequer. He was not in the House at the time, but
the impression made upon the Noble Lord and others, by the
statements of that Right Hon. Gentleman, was the one he
had mentioned. He stated the amount of money raised in
1841. He stated also that the London and Birmingham was
empowered to raise 8226,000/. up to 1841, but they had only
power to raise 500,004. ( Hear, hear.) The same obser-
vation would apply to other railways. Some Hon. Gentlemen
seemed to think that the introduction of free trade measures had
created all the property of the country. He did not believe any
thing of the kind but that it arose from the energy of the capi-
talists of the country. The London and Birmingham was com-
menced in 1833, and was opened to the public in 1839 ; bet the
capital which the proprietors were empowered to raise, was
raised and expended before 1838. The same observation ap-
plied with equal truth to the Midland and Northern Companies,
which expended large sums of money before the deficiency re-
ferred to took place. The lion. Gentleman the Member for
Cambridge ( Mr. Goulburn) had not always acted consistently
with respect to railways.
The motion was then agreed to.
" TIIE BLACK CAT."

Mr. INIUNTZ gave notice that he would postpone his
motion relative to the detention of the schooner "Black Cat"
until Friday next, when he would bring it on in Committee of
Supply.
The reports of the Committees on Ways and Means and of
Supply were then brought up and received.
CONSOLIDATED FUND BILL.

The Consolidated Fund 8,000,0001. Bill then went through
Committee.

The House adjourned at Half-past Twelve o'clock.

PARLIAMENTARY U SIN ESS.
From the Votes an'i Proceeding; of the House of Coulmoul.)
TCEiSDAY, MARCH 2.
The following Railway Bills were presented, read a first
ime, and ordered to be read a second time:—

Edi!iburgh and Bathgate (Deviation and Amendment)

" to enable the Edinburgh and Bathgate Railway Company
to extend their Barracks Branch, to deviate a portion ct their
main line, and for other purposes."
Edinburgh and Glasgow—" to authorise the Edinburgh
and Glasgow Railway Company to hold Stock in or to pur-
chase or lease the Edinburgh and Bathgate, the Stirling and
Dunfermline, and the Glasgow, Airdrie, and Monklands
Junction Railways, and fur other purposes."
Edinburgh and Perth—" for making a Railway from
North Qucen,ferry, by Inverkeithing and Kinross to the
Scottish Central Railway at Moncrieti Hill, with Branches;
to be called • The Edinburgh and Perth Railway.' "
Wexiiird and Valencia (Killarney to Valencia) —" for
making a Railway from the town of Killarney, in the county
of Kerry, to the Harbour of Valencia, in the same county,
to be called •I'he Wexford and Valencia "
Great Northern ( Deviations between Peterborough, Boston,
and Gainsborough)—" to enable the Great Northern Rail-
way Company to make certain alterations in the Line of
their Railway, as already authorised between Peterborough,
Boston, and Gainsborough."
Great Northern (Deviations near Doncaster)—" to enable
the Great Northern Railway Company to divert the Line of
their Railway, as already authorised between Gainsborough
and Doncaster."

Great Southern and Western Extension (Portarlington to
Tullamore)—" to enable the Great Southern and Western
Railway Company to make a Railway from Portarlington to
Tuilamore."

The following Railway Bills were read a second time, corn-
nutted, and referred to the Committee of Selection:—

Dublin and Drogheda (Purchase of Navan Branch, &c.)
Great Western (Amendments and Extensions).
Newmarket and Chesterford.

Cork and Bandon.

Cork, Blackrock, and Passage.

The undernamed Bills were presented, read a first time,
and ordered to be read a second time :
Inverness Municipal and Police, &c.—" for extending the
Municipal Boundaries of the burgh of Inverness; establish-
ing a general system of Police therein; lighting and cleans-
ing the Streets; improving and maintaining, and, if neces-
sary, rebuilding the Bridges over the river Ness, and making
Accesses thereto; providing Public Markets and Bleaching
Greens; regulating the Bridge Tolls, Petty and Market
Customs, and for other purposes relating to the said Burgh.'
Inverness Harbour and Navigation Improvement—" for
deepening, enlarging, improving, and maintaining the Port
and Harbour of Inverness, and the Navigation of the river
Ness, and the Quays and Piers and other Works connected
therewith ; for regulating the Anchorage and Shore Dues of
the said Port and Harbour, and for other purposes relating
thereto."

NOTICES GIVEN AT THE PitIVATE BILL-OFFICE.
The following Railway Bill is appointed to be read a
second time:—

MONDAY, MARCH 8.
Colchester, Stour Valley, Sudbury, and llalstead (Lease to
the Ipswich and Bury St. Edmund's Railway Company).

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

(From the Votes and Proceedinfhe House of Cozronont.)
TUESDAY, MARCH 2.
CHURCHES (SCOTLAND).
Motion made, and Question put, " That a Select Com-
mittee be appointed to inquire whether, and in what part of
Scotland, and under what circumstances, large numbers of
her Majesty's subjects have been deprived of the means of
religious worship by the refusal of certain proprietors to
grant them sites fur the erection of Churches." The House
divided:—

MAJORITY-AYES, 89.
Aldam, William Evans, William O'Brien, C.
Arundel, Earl of Fielden, John O'Connell, D., jun.
Balite, Walter Forster, Mathew O'Connell, M. J.
Bannerman, A. Fox, C. R. O'Connell, Joba
Barclay, David Gibson, Thomas M. Oswald, Alexander
Baring, F. T. Gore, Robert Palmerston, Viscount
Barnard, E. G. Grey, Sir G. Parker, John
Bernal, Ralph Hall, Sir Benjamin Plumptre, J. P.
Blake, M. J. Basile, Archibald I'lumridgc, Captain
Brotherton, Joseph Hawes, lien). Rice, E. R.
Brown, W. llay, Sir A. L. Russell, Lord J.
Browne, W. 'Lindley, C. Rutherturd,lA.
Brownrigg, J. S. Hobhouse, Sir J. Smith, J. A.
Buller, Charles Howard, C.W.O. Somerville, Sir IV.
Buller, Edward Howard, P. 11. Stansfleld, W. It. C.
Chaplin, W. J. Ilumphery, Ald. Stanton, W. 11.
Christie, IV. D. Hutt, William Stuart, Lcrd J.
Clay, Sir W. James, William Stuart, V.
Colebrooke, Sir T. Labouehere, Henry Strutt, Edward
Collett, John Lainbton, H. Tancred, H. W.
Craig, W. G. Macaulay, T. B. Thornely, T.
Dennistoun, J. M'Clintock, W. B. Trelawny, J. S.
D'Eyncourt, C. T. M`Taggart, Sir J. 'Dirndl, 11.
Dickinson, F. F. Mangles, It. D. Villiers, Charles
Duff, James Manic, Fox Ward, H. G.
Duncan, George Mitchell, T. A. Wawn, J. T.
Dundas, F. Monahan, J. IL Yorke, llenry R.
I nuidas, David Morpeth, Viscount
Ellice, Edward Morison, General TELLERS.
Ellice, E., jun. Mure, Colonel Rouverie, E. P.
Escott, Bickhain Napier, Sir Charles Ewart, William

MINORITY-NOES, 61.
Acland, T. D. Pu Pre, C. G. Mundy, E. M.
Ainsworth, Peter Fellowes, E. 3luntz, G. F.
Antrobus, Edmund Finch, G. Newdegate, N.
Arkwright.;9. Fuller, A. E. O'Brien, A. Stafford
Austen, Colonel Godson, R. Polhill, Frederick
BatMe, W. Goulburn, Henry Rashleigh, W.
Banke.s, George Graham, Sir James Sandon, Viscount
Barrington, Viscount Halsey, T. P. Scott, Robert
Beckett, W. Hamilton, W. J. Scott, Francis
Bentinck, Lord G. Herbert, Sydney Spooner, Richard
Bereslord, Major Ilildyard, T. B. Sheppard, T.
Bowles. Admiral Mimic, J. 11. Stanley, E.
Broadloy, Henry Hodgson, R. Taylor, E.
Campbell, Sir 11. Hope, Sir J. Thompson, Alderman
Cardwell, Edward Hudson, G. Tollemache, J.
Clerk Sir G. Jermyn, Earl Vyse, R. H. R. H.
Clive, Vise. Lawson, Andrew Walsh, Sir J. B.
Cripps, William M`Ncill, Duncan Wodehouse, E.
Disraeli, B. March, Earl of TELLERS.
Douglas, Sir C. E. Marslanl. Henry Wortley, J. S.
Duckworth, Sir J. Martin, C. W. Inglis, Sir It.

FLOODS IN PARIS.--Notwithstanding the fine
weather and the nbsene? of Taut in Paris, the waters of the
Seine still maintain their height at 5 metres 60 centnatres.

SALE'‘FEE:SIMPLE ESTATES
IN THE COUNTY OF KERRY.
f On Thuray last Mr. W. W. Simpson, of London, offered
or ssle f'y auction, in several lots, at the Commercial
Buildings here, valuable freehold estates, situate in the
county of Kerry.
At one o'clock the sale was opened by the particulars and
conditions being read, when
Mr. Simpson said—Gentlemen, there are observations
which I request to make, and probably
ofmay se), more than
you may deem expedient, because so I
anythe gentl em n present are intimately acquainted with the locality of the
property which I have the honour to offer to vou for competi-
tion this da3 . You are also conversant with the condition
of Ireland in general, as well as the prospective indications
touching the well-being of this country; if, therefore,
I trespass on your endurance, my apology must rest on that
of duty towards my employer, which may engender a
zeal beyond knowledge. My sincere desire is to avoid
misrepresentation, not alone fur my own sake, but also
for that of the gentleman for Whom I have this time
the honour to act. On these occasions the auctioneer is vit.-
tually bound by certain limits, at the seine time he has a
certain license for bringing the subject treated of before the
mind's eye," through the intervention of that varnish which
will throw its best points into relief without. altering the pic-
ture. For the last thirteen years I have had the honour, at
short intervals, of addressing myself to Irish proprietors and
capitalists; and I trust that those gentlemen who have
known and heard me during that period will do me the jus-
tice to say, that if I have been guilt) of sins they have
been venial, and partaking more of those of omission than
of commission. 1 will first, gentlemen, touch on the eircum-
curnstance of a Bill recently passed in Parliameot, relating
to free trade in corn, and in doing so will take the liberty
to read a small portion of a speech made by me to a very
large assemblage of gentlemen and hignly influential per-
sons (the majority of whom were Protectionists), at Nor-
wich, in the month of April last. On that occasion I said,
that," although I had been a thorough-going Protectionist,
I was proud to say that sliding and all other scales had now
fallen from my eyes," and that it was my honest convic-
tions that rents I%hich have been fixed on fair and liberal
principles within the last seven years will be permanent;
also, that the years' purchase on such rental, has risen
within the last six months, and is all probability will
continue to rise; the increase of population (viz. 1,000 per
day) will, no doubt, form a counterpoise fur any importation,
present or prospective, and thereby insure in ordinary seasons,
not excessive, but steady and remunerating prices for the
cultivator, as well as ample revenue to the lauded proprietor;
and the assumed addition of sixty millions annually to the
actual wealth of the country, will contribute to a higher
years' purchase on the sale of land—the only property,
indeed, which can be considered essentially permanent
under adverse circumstances and political events. Instead,
therefore, of the motto---" Agitate, agitate," it will be better
policy to substitute that of—" Cultivate, cultivate." And
let landlords assist improving tenants by making advances of
that additional capital which may be required, in the nature
of drainage and other improvements, charging for the same at
the rate of 5 per cant. on such outlay and expenditure which
may be judiciously applied. Hence the tenant farmer will
reap a benefit in many instances of 25 per cent., and a
permanent improvement in rental, quasi landlord, will super-
vene." I further observed that, "in adopting free-trade
measures, Sir Robert Peel bad proved himself to be one of
the most talented, fore-sighted, and fearlessly honest minis-
ters that ever lived in the tide of times." The present aspect
of the United Kingdom fully justifies the opinion here ex-
pressed of the eminent talents and courage displayed by Sir
Robert Peel; and it is stated by the most competent judges
that if his wise measures of free- trade had not been carried
out, the prices of corn and produce would have risen to a
famine height. In conclusion, I said, I cannot refrain from
alluding to the opinion of that eminent man, the late Sir
Charles Wetherell, on this subject. A high Tory and firm
Protectionist, the fears Le entertained as to the probable re-
sults of the repeal of the corn-laws induced him to determine
on selling all his landed property; but his better judgment
prevailed, and he not only retained possession of it, but was
in the course of making further investments when he met his
lamented fate. The Protectionists—where are they? Where
are now your prophets which prophecied unto you? Gen-
tlemen, you must remember I made these observations in
April last, and up to the present time I have been
fully borne out in my predictions. The Government are
now in good earnest, and we shall see the small farmer of
this country rising in the grade' of society. It is not because
that in this country we now see a peasantry poor, and clad
in mean haoiliments—it is not, I say, because of this that
we cannot perceive that foundation of intellect on which a
noble superstructure may be raised. Rath not Shakspere
said—

"For 'tis the mind that makes the body rich ;
And as the sun breaks through the darkest clouds,
So honour peereth in the meanest habit.
18 hat ! is the jay more precious than the lark
Because his feathers are more beautiful?
Or is the adder better than the eel
Because his painted skin contents the eye?"
Yes, Gentlemen, the hands of Government are on the plough,
and they must not look back, for whether it be a Govern •
ment or an individual doing so, the penalty of unworthiness
must attach. The Government is now moving on with a
projectile force; and I tell you, Gentlemen, with such a pa-
ternal Government, this country, at no distant time, will
rise to that high scale which is her natural position amongst
the kingdoms of the earth. With respect to the ten millions
proposed by Lord John Russell to be lent to this country at
Si per cent.—it has been mooted that should Government
make these advances they will take precedence of the en-
cumbrancers, and that the present mortgagees would be
placed in a false position. This mode of reasoning appears
to me the height of folly; for I opine the loans contem-
plated by Government, instead of weakening the se-
curity of present incumbrancers, will place them in a
mucli , more secure position, for the value of the
estates will be increased in an inverse ratio. God Al-
mighty, in his infinite and inscrutable wisdom, pours afflic-
tive dispensations on the earth; and I will venture to read
some former observations 1 made on this subject. I said,
" that the All-wise and Omnipotent Disposer of human events
has visited that country (Ireland) with the potato scourge,
for the purpose of stimulating the Government and landed
proprietary to form plans and make such advances of money
as will immediately tend to production and reproduction,
and thus at once improve the condition of millions of the
Dish poor peasantry and tenantry generally ; and by fur-
nishing that seed to the sower' . which will give ead to
the eater'—,superseding the cultivation, and feeding so!e'y on
a vegetable yielding twenty-five per cent. only of food nutri-
tious to the human frame—they will thus be enabled to grow
kind consume corn crops in all their variety—produce a hid),
under a fair course of husbandry, does not, like the potato,
exhaust the natural power of the land ; and, sit the
same time, the feeding and foddering, the straw of their
crops will give an incalculable quantity of manure, whereas
the potato plant will afford comparatively little." In con-
clus on, gentlemen, I will venture to rep..at a few more lines
from Shakspeare, as applicable to the position of the govern-
ment and landed proprietary of Ireland :
" Came—l have learn'il that fearful commenting
Is leaden servitor to dull delay;
Delay leads impotent and snail-paced beggary :
Then, fiery expedition be my wing,
Jove's Idercury, and herald for a king !"
Mr. EDWALE. DAY STOKES observed that the present par-
ticular of sale WAS the fairest and best he had ever seen pub-
lished in Ireland.

Mr. SIBLPSON —I am much obliged to you, Sir. I consider
it a great compliment coming from a gentleman of so high a
character, and one so intimately acquainted with the nature
and circumstances of the estates.

Some very spirited competition then ensued, when the fol-
lowing gentlemen were declared purchasers of the several lots
which were sold :

John Hickson, Esq., Deputy-Lieuteuant, The Grave,
Dingle.

Jiihn Leahy, Esq., South Hill, Killarney.
The Rev. A. B. Rowan, Belmont, Tralee.
E. B. Hartopp, Esq., Dalby House, Melton Mowbray, Lei-
cestershire.

James Butler, Esq., Deputy-Lieutenant, Waterville, Cubit,
ci veen. •
The average rate of purchase was twenty- seven years;
none of the lots (whereof several appeared to be let at their
full value) fetching less than twenty-three years' purchase.
The sales being concluded,•
Mr. Edur39l-r returned thanks for the kindness and ur-
banity be had met with, and, in doing so, took occasion to
state that he had been requested by several noblemen and
gentlemen to issue a third edition of his pamphlet, " A. De-
fence of the Landlords of Ireland," which had run through
two editions since 1844; and in the forthcoming one it was
his intention to add a postscript, explanatory of his views as
to that which the Government were called upon to do, in
order to develope the resources of the country.—Dubin
Evening Packet of Tuesday, Feb, 23.