The Sun.
London, England, 1823-05-01 00:00:00

DUBLIN GRAND JURY.

Mr. S. RICE rose to move, in behalf of his Honourable
Friend the Member for Westminster, fdr certain information
relating to the inquiry ordered by the House. He moved that
there be laid before the House a list of the Common Council
of the City of Dublin, distinguishing such as are of the Guild
of Merchants. Also for a copy of the Proclamation of the
Lord Mayor of Dublin relative to the dressing of the statue of
King 'William, and of the Resolution adopted thereon by the
Common Council or any other 'persons. Also that the Town
Clerk of Dublin be ordered to attend at' the Bar of the House
on Friday seinnight.=Ordered.
Colonel WOOD postponed his Resolutions upon the Poor
Laws to the 29th of May.
A petition was presented from Dartmouth against the Coal
Duties.—Laid on the table.
PUNISHMENT OF WHIPPING.

Mr. O. BENNBT rose, pursuant to the' notice he had
given, to move for leave to bring in a Bill to abolish the pu.
nishment of whipping. This was an odious punishment, which
had no efficacy in reforming those on whom it was inflicted, and
was the last remains of a barbarous system which ought to be
entirely got rid of'. 'there was a secondary punishment which
would have a better, moral, and corrective etTect, if properly
administered, namely, hard labour. Ile had examined the
subject Perhaps more than any one in the House, anti he had
never heard an argument advanced in favour of this detestable
punishment.. Ile had heard indeed, that it was a good way of
treating an incorrigible plough-boy. But he would ask it' there
was ever an incorrigible plough-boy who was not made inure
incorrigible by it. From the returns which he had before pre-
sented to the House, it appiared that, within six. years, 6,969
persons had been submitted to this punishment; and lie trusted
that the House would remove such a stain and blot from the
administration of 'justice. Ile moved for leave to bring in the
13i11,
Mr. CURWES supported the motion.
Mr. Alderman S %IIT/1 said, he thought there were cases in
which the dread of this punishment was greatcr than that of a
year's imprisonment, and therefore very useful.
The ATTORNEY-GENERA L. said, that he could not
agree in n sweeping proposition for abolishing this punishment
altogether, because there were undoubtedly some cases in which
it might be salutary and desirable. He must, therefore, oppose
the motion.

Mr. IiENNARD supported the motion.
Mr. DAWSON regretted that the question had not come on
at a time when his Right lion. Ftiend, the Secretary of State
for the Home Department was in the House. The Honourable
31ember appeared to him not to have shewn any reason why
they should support the motion. lie should take the sense of
the House upon it.
Mr. 110BHOUSE contended that there was no Act of Par-
liament which authorised private whipping in jails. If such a
disgraceful punishment were to be tolerated at all, publicity
was the only thing. which could make it of any use in deterring
front the commission of crime. Female whipping had been
abolished out of delicifey to that sex, and li.hought• some-
thing teas due to the manly feelings of the other. After flog-
ging, there was no man who did not lose that without which he
ceased to be a valuable member of society ; he meant self.
respect. •In the navy, the effects of flogging were strikingly
apparent. He had been on board a sloop of war, where the was obliged to have his cabin guarded by men with
loaded blunderbusses, in consequence of the desperate charae.
ter of the crew, owing, as he stated, to thtir having,' every one
of them, been so much flogged. lie trusted, that-at least, the
Bill would not be rejected without some discussion.
Mr. N. CALVERT spoke in favour of a modification of the
existing practice, but thought it should not altogether be
abolished.

AIL STURGES BOURNE took the same view of the ques-
tion, and said, that from his experience in Courts of Justice.
and in the regulations of Prisons, it was ii salutary terror which
could not be dispensed with, without giving up a very power-
ful and useful means of deterring front crime and maintaining
order.

Mr. J. SMITH supported the motion, and argued in fa-
vour of the entire abolition of the practice of whipping cri-
minals.

Mr. HOLME SUMNER contended that the punishment
was necessary, and ought not to be abandoned.
Sir I. COFFIN said,- that during fifty years of service he
had never heard of such a case as that stated by the Hon.
Member for Westminster, as to the captain of a King's ship
being obliged to guard himself with loaded blunderbusses, be.
cause every one of his crew had been flogged. There were
Quarterly Reports made to the Admiralty, and he was sure
the Lords of the Admiralty would have caused inquiry to be
made into this case. In all the time he had been in command,
he never had occasion to punish more than one man. The
Hon. Member ought to have laid the conduct of the officer be.
fore the Admiralty.
Mr. llonttoust explained.
Sir R. HERON contended that the„punishment ought to be
abolished.

Mr. N. CALVERT explained.
Mr. Secretary PEEL said, that as the Hon. Member's mo-
tion went to abolish altogether the punishment-of whipping,
all the information he possessed upon the subject led hint to
consider it as a dangerous experiment, and he should there.
fore oppose it. lie thought ,it would operate irainst other
objects which the Honourable Member himself advocated.—
the Hon. Member was amongst those who wished to lessen the
number of capital punishments in our criminal justice, and
how could that experiment be tried, if they were to take away
the secondary punishment. Ile believed that a better effect
would be produced on boys by moderate whipping than by so-
litary confinement. He should therefore oppose the. Bill in the
beginning.
Dr. LITSHINGTON took an entirely different view of this
question from thattleclared by the Right Honourable Sevrehtry
of State. He thought the practice ought to be abolished, and
stated that in cases where public whipping bad been resorted
to, the people bad viewed it with disgust and detestation.
rile. RUAIMOND contended that 'the Lill, as be un-
derstood it, was impracticable.
Mr. Alderman SMlTll,explained,
Mr Alderman WOOD, in reference to an observation which
had fallen front another lion. Alerriber, as to the punishment
inflicted in Netvgate, said that they elwayti took 'place` under
the inspection of the Sheriffs.
An lion. NI zstilEst said that iv was ittipoisible' for ,such a
case as that described by the U n Atember:for. Mrotninster
to havo occurred n •the navy. There Officer to tire
service who woul not have reported:4llli State 'thins ihipio

Mr. R. MARTIN moved for leave to bring in a bill for the
Improvement of Waste Lands in Ireland.
After a few words from Mr. GOLTLDURN,•IeSVe was given.

PUBLIC 'ACCOUNTS.
On the motion for the Muse going into a Commlttee of
Supply,
HU:SII: wished to know whether it was intended to pro.
pose any alteration in the present mode of making up the Pub.
lic Accounts.

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
hoped to he able to do so next Session.
'The Committee was then postponed to Friday.
WAYS AND MEANS.
The Committee of Ways and Means was also postponed to
Friday.
The Reports of the Committees on several Irish Charitable
Institutions were brought up and agreed to.
The Bill for vanting Bounties on Captured Slaves went
through a Committee.—Report on Friday.
The Report of the Committee of -Supply on Miscellaneous
Services was brought up, read, and agreed to, after a few
words from Mr. W. SMITH and %Ir. llu
The Lords' amendments on the Merchant Vessels Appren.
tire Bill were read a second time and agreed to.

ADJOURNED DERATEONTHE LATE NEOO.

CIATIONS,

The Order of the Day was moved by Mr. WYNN, for re-
suming the adjourned Debate on the Papers laid before the
house respecting the War between France and Spain.
The SPEAKER having read the original motion, and the
Amendment proposed by 31r. STVARTWOUTLEY,
Mr. WYNN-spoke at considerable length in support of the
:Intendment; but in consequence of the low tone m which
the Right Hon. Gentleman spoke, many of Ida observations
were inaudibla. Ile contended that we could not not take any
intermediate course'between peace and war. The Ilon. Mem-
ber for Westminater, who spoke oil the first night of the debate,
thought that Ministers should have consulted Parliament as to
the course of negociation they were to take when they found that
France was determined to attack Spain. Had Ministers done so,
they, in his (Mr. Irs.) opinion would have been guilty of a vio-
lation of the spirit of the Constitution.. The King, by his pre.
rogative, had the right, through his Ministers, of deciding on
questions of war and -peace, though that decision was after.
wards to be approved or eensuted by Parliament. It was
contended by Hon. Members, who spoke in support of the
original motion, that the use of a different language from that
which had been held would bevelled the desired effect ; much
stress was laid upon what was called " dignified language."—
That was inure properly a matter of opinion than of grave
charge. He contended, however, that in the whole course of
these negociations, the opinion of this country against interfer-
ence generally fan opinion applied particularly to the case of
France and ,pain) had beeMdearly and distinctly stated ; and
it being so stated, he apprehended that it was of little conse-
quence whether it was expressed in a few more or a few less
words. And he thought that the mitigated tune of re-
monstrance which had been so much found fault with,
was much the best, considering that it came from a country '
which had taken op the chard ter of a mediator rather than
that of a party. indeed, had Ministers used the sort of lan-
guagerecommended by an Hun. Baronet last night, and it has
proved ineinetual, Ministers might be told, and Justly told.
that they had left the country no choice, and that they had de-
graded it by using threats which they had no intention 'of car-
eying into execution. He did not think that France would
have been deterred from her intention, merely by the menace
of war, seeing that she would of course calculate on the sup-
port of the Allied Sovereigns, He fully concurred in the
strongest censure which hail been expressed in that Holier
upon the conduct of the French Government. lie had always
opposed the encroaching spirit of jacobinield anti imperiall, ranee : but still he could ncit think that we were called upon
to use an inculpative or vituperative torte in the course of our
negociations with her. He did not consider the invasion at a
cause of war on our part, unless it directly affected our own
interests. We might still
persist in remonstrance. This
was the opinion of the greatest Statesmen who hail sat in 4
that Houte, whether they were employed in the admini-
stration or in the criticism of public affairs. This opinion
was expressed in the case of Holland in the year l'Alti, by
Mr. Fox and 31r. Burke, who both held that we wete
not called upon to go to war in case of an aggression by one
ry upon unless Our own interests were directly
affected,nut athteot litterig,
Right Hon. • Gentleman here gunnel the
opinions of Mr. Fox and Mr. liorke.)----
tn
gimiler to this was .
the opinion which Lord Grey expressed in the year 1810 against
our interference in the affairs of Spain. One Hon. Member -
had advocated our going to war because he said it could be
carried on cheaply, and would benefit our own commerce while
it would injure that of Franco. This he thought was not the
case; but ut all events it was unjust and unsound policy. Ile
(Mr. Wynn) contended that we ought not to go to war with.
out a dewrmination to go thenugh with it, and bring it to an
honourable conclusion. 31r. I, urke had aptly observed, thit
" Bellona was a female not to be flirted with ;" and the Spa.
niards had a very wine proverb_..." The sword should not be
drawn without reason, nor sheathed without satisfaction."._
We Wight take a sugar island front the French, but he did
not think their foreign commerce was extensive enough to be
of vital importance to them. We could not injure France
without active war. He did not, however, think 'thee tittle
considerations were necessary. ' Ile was persuaded that France
could never keep possession of any more of Spain titan
the part which was occupied or directly commanded by her
armies. The Spaniards could harrass and waste an Invad-
ing enemy by an expert mode of warthre peculiar to them.
selves, though they might not be üble to meet that enemy in
the field. If we were to decide on assisting Spain, we could-
not long be auxiliaries in the war. We must soon become.
principals in it, and encounter the same cxpcnce and loss
which we had done in the fanner war. But then it was argued
by some Honourable Members, that we must engage in the
war at-last. If this argument wins good at all, it way - good
for our engaging in every war in which France might' he
engaged. It was said that France, if successful in Spain,
would attack Portugal. To this he, answered, ,•then it will
be time enough for unto interfere." We had ori a former 0c.4
elision defended, and succession( defended, Portugal against
the united efforts of France are Spain, u
when the latter was
almost in die meridian of her power. The mere possibility of i
our being drawn into a war hereafter was surely no good rea-.
son for our, voluntarily engaging in it flow.- If it should be
necessary for us hereafter to engage in the aver, he was con-
vinced we had the means of supporting the honour, which he
considered at the best interest at the country; Ile, as well as
his colleagues, lisapprovcsl of all interference •in the "Airs of
any country, whether on the part of the Governor'', or tm that
of the governed, until we should be Wettest ourselves; and
this was the bads of the pollee pursued and intended to be con.
tinned by Ministers: Ile Mit not expect to hear front any
Meniber of the English House of Commons the oprenion of
" the accursed monarchical principle," the pritunple 'of ahe
English liptiseof Common* being that of a limited 34onarchy..
Ile liked Slontirehy himself, because he thought no tyranny
was *o great its that which was exercised by the many. Ile
hoptd the lion. Member for Westntinster did not mean so
largely es his exprexxioft imported.
Mr. 1101111003 E said his expreietion was.tory clearly ex-
pounded by the wordi which followed, " the 'ryrunta of En-
tope"—(flear, hear ! front the Opposition)—atur he had obvi„,
outily so apokei of the monarchical principle, in opposition to
our own limited Monarelts. ,
Mr. WY NN was happy so to undoitand the tion.'Nember.:
In continuation, be obaoved that he felt regret at heasetrg the
'abuse which, in that House, was applied to the -Allied Sow-
Tripe. He should not -think of defending their ronduct f but he
•thought that 'h''
t ta, • abuse ofthent could smarter •op-gtiok end, anti
must eetatal-thtliniposed effect of our own tnettlafret. lit was

well aware, that the language applied to them in that house was
within the privilege enjoyed by its Members, and that they had •
afull right to express their opinions, freely and without mea-
sure, upun foreign Kings and Governments. Ile submitted,
_however, that the very circumstance of :its being a privi'eged
right, or there being no power. ,ta:Teetrain them, should in-
duce Hon.:Members to eontrotdstheniSelvete. There could be no
manliness in suclplangttage; however strong; for there was no
manliness in saying that which 'one was protected in-saying.
lie would now advert to the. Memorandum of the Puke of
Wellington, addressed to the Spanish Oovernuient,,in which the
Spanish King waxspoken'of in terms of which some' Honour.
able Members disapproved: Ile disclaimed any wish to defend
the conduct of, the King of Spain front the year 1814, 'to the
year 1020, but he thought it did not follow that heshould agree
in the disapprobation which:had 'beertlexptessed of thist,part of.
the Duke's Memorandimi. lie understood the Diike'e language
to Import nothing more than that the 'personal character of a
Sovereign could afford no reason for'overthrowing a Monarch
orfor depriving him of those powers -which were necessary for
a Sovereign .to possess in,order to his acting-in that character.--
For six years the subjects of this king.dom.had been complain..
ing of injuries suffered from' the conduot'of sufficient to
justify war;: but Spain had uniformly' turned a deaf ear 'to
these complaints. How then, under these cireumstarices,eoulti
is be expected that this country could do more than. "offer its
good offices ? It had urged as matter of Mame 'that we wigs
ourgood- offices to France. We hail done so at the
express wish of Spain,; and it was impossible therefore we
could be blamed in - this as the friends of France. •We hail
done all we: could do' with • France in the:way Of counsel
and remodstrance; and Spain had not asked of us to Offer a
menace: In the -system of just and honourable -neutrality,
which hail 'been adopted,•h6 hoped his Majesty's Government
would be supported. But if a real necessity for war should
arise, he -was confident that= there was a spirit in the country,
and adequate resources to carry us through it with triumph.—
(Hear, hear!)
LEITESTER said, he did not All into the view taken
by some Gentlemen in that _]louse, that this was not a' question
of peace or war.---:(lfear, hear 1) Ile condemned, the conduct
of the British 'Diplomatists in the late riegociation;•as having
shewn the enemy what was our gametinin the conimenceinerit.
The only person found to justify the conduct Of 'France was
an individual in another place
Who would not laugh if such a man there be ?
Who would not weep if a great Duke' were he ?"
(Much laughter.)—Happy he was to think. that but dne-of all
that bad spoken their sentiments on this great and -interesting
subject, wits found to justify and applaud conduct so •atro-
elms and blood-thirsty. He Could not help considering that
the advice given by our Goverment to Spain, to make niodi•..
fications in her Constitution, to yield obedience to the dicta-
tion of her haughty-and Insolent enemy, was contrary to coin•
meat sense, as it was contrary-to common humanity. lie
certainly give his vote for the address moved by his Humor.
able Friend.

Mr. Air. WILLIAMS rose to say that he had found nothing
to rue in the papers ,relating to the late negociation. He
considered that the language of a paper preceding these was
far more objectionable. • He alluded' to that ewe document
speaking of our making common cause with Foreign Powers.
He could conceive no possibility of a common cause betwixt
freedom and despotism ; nor did he think he should have lived
to hear such language flow from the lips of a British Stiteetnari.
But for the course pursued by his Majesty's Ministers at the
Congress of Verona, he offered his sincere thanks. It was
true, he should have liked to -hoe teen it a little, higher in
tone, anti a little more diginfied in itentintente-e(Hear!)—But
then it was to be considered that the language of menace was
not the sort of language to 'pass between States. If the use of
stronger language would have entailed the-necessity of a war,
a different consideration altogether arose. lie could very
well understand that his Majeity`e Ministers would Hesitate
before they plunged-the country into war. With these wiews
it was impcteeible for him either to agree with the original moe
tion, or with the Amendment. Although the :Teeth of the
Kinc of France had broached principles which this country
would have been justified in goittg to war upon, yet it did
not follow that it was the interest or duty of this country to
enter at the present moment into a war- of- principle. It was
consoling to him, that every one who had spoken on the a cub.
ject, hail delivered hims If in-tented of unreserved condernmi-
' tion of the conduct and principles► avowed by Frenee. lie
wished, therefore, that as this was a point upon which all sides
and parties could agree, -that an A (Wiese, embodying these
sentiments, and expressive of the British horror of such prin-
ciples, should be proposed to be carried up to the Throne.
This was the feeling of 090 out of loaf of elie:piepul.ition of
this country. Were the British House of Parliament to lay
aside ell grounds of minor difference, anti unite in a course of
this kind, worthy of the previous conduct and principles of
this country, it would redound to her holieur, and anew the Ale
lies that she was ready to exert hetself, -as she had allears
shewn herself to retain that eminence she had so long held
amongst free nations.
Mr. W. PEEL could not but express his sincere thanks to
his Majesty's Ministers for 'the parr they had taken in this, no.
egociatton. He thought the country stood in a much better si-
tuation at present, than if she had beetedreein' into an unne.
ceseary and expensive war. At the atone time those who cried
out for war, were those he believed, in his eimaciertee, 'who
would be the very last to Isupply his Majeety's Governinent
with the resources necessary to carry it on. There were
some indeed who said this country Oaks not able to go td war.
But surly when there was-not a nation that 'Wanted a 'million
of money, that did nut apply to us for it, land not one that was
not in fast indebted to us alreadeeif any-nation war Men state'
tootake war we were. He was ashartiedlo hear an Englishman •
broach ouch a doctrine. It was impossible for any one to oael
more etrongly than he did the absurd folly and madness Of France
in the course she bed determined to adopt in respect of Spain.
For his own part he never -could persuade hiniself that France -
really meant to -invade Spain till -the Invasion • actually took
place, and all that he had to say now was, God send her a sage
deliverance! lie should give •liie vote for the Amendment,:
which spoke his own sentiments and those of his constituents.
—( !leer, hear!)
Lord PA LM ERSTON assured t)ie House it was riot his in-
tention to enter into any examination of the papers on the t
table of the /louse. He should confine, himself to the higher,
ground, end the larger anti more general question, involving,
the policy of thiecountry in the course pf neutrality,liy which
all she had done in the negotiation had beeet guided.' (In the
question as to whether France -could justify 'the 'wet she had'
undertaken or not, there seemed to. be' no difibrence ofopi.
nion. There 'were but two way* by which the negnelatites
could have compassed theobject they kept • in view :--the one
wits to limit themselves to remonetranceand rieionditv i or to
venture this country in the same vessel with 'Spain. come what
Sonic, however, evere.foial -to suggest it third course •
and that was to threeten without binding-the petty-to-redeem
the pledge so given, by realizing the threat. But this; in his ••
opinion, was a middling course% equally degrading either to the
nation or the individual who-should adopt suck. To threaten
to send an army, and then' to ileum. a .llanifeato--to brandirb
the drawn sword in the mounnt of calm deliberation.; and
when the tiny of battle arrived, to ariewer the defiance of an
'enemy: by a ion-tide protest, was the conduct orsecowerd and
bully, and such as no nation having regent threiis character or
-interests - could • adopt.e-( H ear; hear I )—The -May course
then consistent with the wise line of policy-adopted, teas, to dins
emetic France from her-meditated aggression,- and to' persuade'
Spain to do that which with honour she might 'be adviredoetio
to ward oil' the threatened attack. - • Whenever Hole Oehtletion
opposite talked' of the Monarchs of 'the -Continent, they de.
sugnattel them as despots, and' heir Min titers as the mold it
capable of men to govern a Suite upon just principles. /low;•
they, could they now consistently none *award to recommend.
these who had to negociate with such characters, to treat them
only with long -and learned dieeertatione on principles ?
principlo:tiega ;di non est disponntriorr. For his part; he liked-
not despotism.; but 'whewehe ettnititution -of ietutr wasfound to
be fall of' the elements of distorde could it Lee/tong to offer ucl,'
vice to modify to such an' ettentotily as should purchaeeesiter-'
sal peace eintl 'interred harnrony ? objettion takee
to the channel of this advice,-art objection whichelar heggedeo
say, he could not enter into. Foe, if ever a-tentatattaequired
title to the gratitude of a nation; froMthe briefing uccentatif
fency to the trimulnus tome; Of old age, that-man writhe Duke
of Wellington, and the elation, Spain.•Thelattrelavenich mime-
lel his in-Iw%, he had mined -owlt. one from the previtiere,of
tetin. Ile`had there thewri the discretion and ability of a States-
, man with the Tumefied tikill ofiemilitary tiononender. Weeit then
- .in human nature, -that the Duke of Wellington Should be atere
pectett liy theme earne people of insincerity to tkrir comterni.4...
he eviee by the labour :eats yerete gtoey, had avenged tinted.;
frontseattolveelled uttethrinsueies of the tiatiOn, by the tailed
• . of herec witting inveders teeelleari }-=ate hi-theism, *Pampre
sent tam: est, it ,night hopper& that the Splinter& werild all unite

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'against the ineadent; but if the iteiyallitselhould be found to
avail themselves-of the assistance of the 1' 'ranch, had we relit
an army into that country we should .stave feind ourselves etipe
ported only by a minority of the beanie But if theprilricipie
of such interference en our part was questieturble,the
wtut still more ad; We were recovering from the effect of a
prolunged'and arduous etruggle, and we's the stream ofrefetie.
mg prosperity to be suddenly tensed aside to be waited iri 'the
proseeution of a war which had been elsewhere elinraeteriMi
en a romantic and chividrous ittitione-e, war of ientimerit:anil
fur an abstract principle? It had been suggeeted that we rteight
afford sufficient aid toffee elpaniertle by tket of. shine. Nine
what he would ask, coW ships do against on invading army 4
land., through the paireet of the Prances ? If, of their own
accord, Such-a course had been taken, the Boni eientlernionowe
remite would beet: been the Stitt to heap upon diem' ever!
species of ridicule. To talk of our relying,upon the co-opee
ration of the Spaniards was absurd—we nitiet be principals *NI
nothing Lessin a- Peninsular war. To engage in it epon
other footing would be to Tisk tarnishing the national honeran,
and losing the leurels eve had earned on the seine groind.—
(Hear, hear beef(' Spain were united she would be suceestgole
in which ease nothing would be lost to her or us by our rieue
trality, whilst much might be gained. We should be enabled
with repaired resources to. embark in any future cettee,earal
which should justify Our aid; whilst Spain would have the 0f..,
portttnity of irtateirr herself free by leer own entertioiselleini.
which she would he more capable of making's goad use - her
freedom, and amore 'worthy of enjoying it.—( erste
• Colonel DAMES usuired the Howie, that-if` ttie question
beftire the Douse were between peace and war, If he wolf to
listen to his individual feelings, he should vote for war. But
it was not always 'justifiable to treat questitite in 'that liettie
according to individual 'feeling. The Hon: Member then went
into an examination of the papers on thetable of the House te.-
letive to the late Pegoelatiohs, contending thet the language
held towards the Allies tit Verona was not ;sufficiently strong,
and the advicexiven to Spain was unworthy, of the one nation
to give, and the other toTollow.
IThe impatience of the House frequently broke out during
the lion. Member's speech, which the lion. Meniber answered
by assuring the House that he should detaib theta the lorigtl if
moderate indulgence were not strewn to him. At the same thrill
it rendered much of what fell from hine.inaudible the.gele
lery.] ,
Mr. TWISS began by assuring the House that unwilling at
that hour to 'widen the naturel impatience felt 'to detain them
long, he would at once proceed to the question et issue with,
out preface. Among the most popular.eharges brought against
the Government for their conduct en this occasion was.onte,
that in the'course of the correspondence between them and The
Foreign 3linisters, we had betrayal the rising spirit of Speite,
by counselling that she should modify her Constitutien, Ott
answer to this, he would ask for what purpoee was that Moiliti.
cation ? It was not to buy off die unjust aggression of FrAtte.
but by way of a compensation to that power for drawing oft her
army of observation, which, within the limits of her own tare
ritory, itahould always be miners-there'd she had a right to mates
thin. And all that was asked to be done 'as a li:iodine sitinti
wee to make a compromise between two opposite, obnonidus
rights. It had been.said on a former night, that the Mini4teta
hail no choice betwixt that of being dupes or knaves; but lee
should like to see it pointed out wherein they, could haveektne
otherwise than they did in any specific part of the negdciatiene.
For open war, no man had declared; hut for tberneasures.which
his Majesty's %linisters had taken for the preservation Ofpeitee,
noman had • anytoleration.. An'lion. aint LerirAllittlentlditien
had said; this between-the:poles of war and pesee there wait Many
a. reetimeeplace. lint he did not 'point out Where there was
one which he could recommend to have been taken in thieve.
sent case. Hia omission—a wise omission he MUM call it, had
been supplied brother*. .The Hon. Baronet (Sir F. Burdett)
for instance,' had recommended that out Ambassador 3 hakila
have been withdrawn from France.' The effect of .this would
have been to 'create a chance of mtich postrible harm, .andlee
move every thence of any possible good.—(hear, hear, heir 1)
—lt was impossible for us to have said to Frence, unlestlou
do this, we wilt not do that, or we will declare war. Ns
then* were not always in a state to incur even the smallest
chance in an enterprise for the attainment of an undeniable
geoid. But war, stall teener, was as mkt' in tune now as than.
He denied that England ought to have departed from renitta-
litye In every war, right ecold only be on 'one side, and if
England laid down the principle that she would, under 'allsere
cunistances, step forward to defend the injured party, no, war
could ever break out in which she must 'not take a part. The
cry now 'raised in favour of war wee extraordinary, andethe
more -extraordinary from the quarter in which it was beard.
—This he thought mutt be admitted by entry one who reopen_
! bored that those who now cheered in favour of a war fur the
liberty of Spain, were the same who hail through so many years
opposed illinisters, while engaged in conducting a tem. for ehe
liberties of Europe. Was this because; the liberties of SIAM
were so much dearer than those of all Eutope—eor was it thee
they felt so snitch more the liberties of subjects wins strove
against their King, than for the Inietties'or nations who foright
against their oppressors ? He contrasted the appeal;; now made
to the pride, nay to the power of England, with the etenduletti•e
in which the same parties had for mane years been accuittuthei
to indulge on the subject of her humiliation and deetty, and
concluded ananimated :speech in defence of the poliey.tet
stets, by pointing out the importance of their taking such a
course as .may tend to allay the irritation of .others,, without
involving England in a quarrel which would really be hereiwn.
Sir F. BLAKE declared if he were'a Spaniard he would
scout the lukewarm-friendship of neutrality, and say toethe
parties who profFerest it, " those who are not thr us tire egitieta
us." At the same time he would make a distinction againstete
Government anti the people of this country. Ile consider el
the people of this country to be in faiour of Spain, .but-their
ardent 'feelings were restrained by the icy peetirlee of -tinier
Ministers who, under the slew of neutrality, .silently. untwist •
(he did not sayintentioruilly) the policy of that most abutnin-
able, most odious, and 'most detestable,system which hadbeen
established by the I lolnAlliance against the liberties of. Teen.
kind. , Had France been about: to be invaded by Spain, the
language which the Hight Hon. Oentlernart wouldhava held
wtnildhave been this that as soon as the Spanish stiovaird *Nal
be raisetion the French territory, England:would make cont.
mon cause with France to repel the invaders, and nctw stated
this in the way of a caution to iohnonish thou that ifsuch Me act
of aggression were ventured upon, it woold be at their pirilee.
Why was not similar language eld tiering the late nenoeist.
lion. The reason seemed to be, that this Was, under Abe 4irer
tence orimpartiality, a conitidernble leaning towards Prance:
Our Government was lulled' hs4o falSd itecurityeeforgot that
even-Frence 'had • been anibitimot, mule thus 'deluded, looter*
temelyern, while. she attempted the eubjueetion of Spain.: He
would snppose another case. If Spain should 'repel. her
enemy, -anti invade Franc, he believed in, that caseshould remonstrate against eunin conduct . ee -pert .eee
our remaining -henna]. Spain, in Pual n'eatte, woulti.peelnips
contend -thitt ehe did no more than France had Previonsly -date,
but our Government would retort on her., 'that there was a wide
difference between what France minlit: do ,age inet Spain.
'and what Splin might do against Fiance.. the -condemned
nhe• neutmlityof this country, as hting neither, the one think
nor the other,' for it was likely to resolve itedfitito war at-last„
It had been said, if war must come owner ter. latest, let
be later: .fie. Thought if wat 'were inevitithle, it heel ..bitter
come at once; that it might the earlier reach ifs termination.
—He rediculed the neutrality intended to ..be obeetved, and.
-thought the -Conduct of Minatera throughout the bite traits.
actions might be accurately described in the , words art' the
Putt . .

•- • •
• -" They did just nothing 'nil the. day."
Lord FOLKEgTONE expressed his. readinciOt to oPOlog‘io
for the manner tra which he hnel spoken, o 1 o Lte ocoksion...if
the liout,e consideretl hint to have !ailed, in. respect 4o 'them,
but helliti not consider that his condoct defervestthe Attuntellt
which hall been inat:e on it by the Right liOn. thitirianstr,,-r-
Thu t he felt sharuc awl . indignation on 'perusing .the4iPero,
wto true t it was tqually trite that he had. expresseehts,eoa,
temPt.for these-negotiators who ocushl put twit natriA 'to thtip
Impel's; and that he tOlti of his maw:a* f-ortoboalerkt rfipr:_his
country, but he hoped they were Ilog Co Jar gefne as to sleet% it
unpardonable in C3leraber of the,ltritish House of eorninotas
thus to indulge in the unreserved expression otitis sew itnents.
%Vithlwrwerty-four hours., front ibc time to attic:, he, heti
alluded, theitight lion. Oelitlertaut hinslelf tad proved rh4-t
ilbtl he could frel an et.: The llouse howc.ver, would llo.h.in the
justice to.r&vien That he e,leortl i'alkoqtnc) had felt klasse
on amount of the-ta 'ioat offered to the chitro4ttf alit, eotttoo.
.4.11i1e tile- Night hurt. tjkistleurati had welt been raavtA Ilk re-
flections cast on hirs'ewtt, Whet Right Hon, tieniktuan ))ail
declared himself unable to dolt:ribs IliceestralittWhieh 4te, itn.,
posed ort hitoself„ leltile. ive, abotaitlett Plulti:raatMearrlit .what
had eeennalil. on SteantlAieet' ttt.' aloic-.144410). ,141 e '.viiithod to
at-dm-Tow-it W 'haViltrteti; tuck being the ease, that they .heed
IA I.IA the IS illafec t °Nebel* tbree n4gb ta wit/iout hiti having vfl'ettsl

• •
Altiatiilf to the Renee. .-Ifettmourepoketruth. the Right Hon.
'Gentleman was resolved not to eye* till after an Hon. and
Learned Friend of his had delivefed his sentiments. [Mere
.nr..!!icieeetary Canning intimated that such was not the fecal
If the Right Hon. Gentleman denied it, of college there was
no foundation for the rumour, which had nevertheless gone
.forth, and which particular circumstances had rendered probe,
ble. He hoped, for the sake of die- Right lion. Gentlenian, for
the credit cif the country, aced for the credit of. the proceedings
of that House, that the tumour was untrue ;: but if it were so, he
wished to know why the Right lion. Gentleman had continued
-silent. The Right Hon. Gentlemen had taken occasion to say,
:that if in the late negociations he had truckled to France, to
-hint Lord Folkestone),- he would never truckle: lie had not
expected that the Right Him. Gentleman would truckle to him
or to any body-else be he whoni he might.---(A cry of " Order,-
.e-oler.")--if the Hon. Gentleman who-called out order thought
ahere.Was any thing disorderly in what he was saying, it would
;be tetter that he ghoul(' rise anti stateehie to the House.
- Mr. R. MARTIN 'spoke to order,' Ile had not meant to
rise to order- es he now did ; but, after being called upon us be
had been, - he did not hesitate to say, that it was disorderly in
.the Noble Lord to entertain the House for half an hour, as he
had core, on the subject of another debate. If he had any
charge to .prefer against the Right Hon. Cientlemene let hint
bring it forwatel in a Parliamentary hear !)-71Ie
heed thought his remarks impertinent to the present debate, and
-had therefore called him to order.
Lord FOL KESTC)N E believed that, strictly- speaking,: the
Gentleman was correct as to the rule of the House,
.though he did not know why it should be enforced against hint
.while it was noeinforced against where. lie would, however,
-.comply with the wish of the lion. Gentleman, and abstain from
.further remarks of the character of those to winch an .objection
had been taken. It' strong remonstrances had been made in
.:Congress against • the .injustice of. France, he •woralered that
these had not been embodied in sonic document- be was sur-
prised- that they should have been "-vox et pryvterea
• but to him it appeared that there had been something
„like a betraying • of Spain to France in the enrol made to
:meet her wishes by inducing Spain to alter her Constitution.
'The propositions made on this subject he warmly condemned.
The pianos to. whom that representation was made were
,bound by solemn oaths to make no alteration in the Con-
estittition. It was .therefore extraordinary conduct to call
upon those who were thus circumstanced, to violate their must
eolemn obligations. To him this appeared to be an attempt to
••betray the Government of Spain to the King. Throughout
these negoeiations the interests of England and -the Allies of
.England were never mentioned, and, this.. country acted in-
every instance as if she were quite an indifferent spectator.
.it was by no means his object to 'advise that this country should
rush into a war. Ile complained of the course taken in the
late negociations, because it appeared to hiM to he more likely
ultimately to engage this country . in a new contest, than a
firmer and more dignified course of proceeding would hate. 4
-been. lie thought these ,negociations were likely in future
times to subject the country to great diflieulties if they did net
now lead to war. He however did not know. that this country
could ever go to war again till somethinghad been done to re-
lieve the country from that burden under which it now groaned.
He entertained the most melancholy forebodings front the humi-
liation to which lie saw the country subjected. He had been
accused of having more than any other Member been the cause
of the accumulation of that debt, which lie now contended press-
ed down the nation. This he denied. Ida denied dint be had
dune any thing that ought to bring on him such an accuse-
don. lie, as he had already statedebed the most gloomy fore-
bodings. When the Right Hun. Gentleman first came into
.office, he had hoped for better things. Ile had hoped to find
him more alive to the honour of the country. From .the ta-
lents, assiduity, and intelligence, which had lifted that Right
ilom Gentleman almost to the highest object to which his ant.
bition could aspire, he had hoped (hi' a very different result
while the late negociatidns were pending: 110 , would hope
better things yet ; but if the Right Ihmoureble Gentlemen
wished to be handed down to posterity as one of • the
worthies who had contributed to advance the glory of Greet
Britain, he must adopt a • course very diffl-rent from ' that
which he had lately pursued; or, instead of being
.so deteribed,
he would only be known to future generationa, as the man in
whose hands the country had stink to degradation, misery,
and shame.
Mr. LITTLETON was of opinion, that the inquiry, made
us to the cause of the Right lion. Gentleman near lum not hay.
, ing yet rive after what he had said of his impatience -to answer
the statements made on a former night, might with at lean equal
propriety be put to the Hon. and Learned Gentlemen, who lied
se eoletnnla announced his intention to express his 'tendinous
on this subject. lie believed, whatever the caneeathis eilenee, •
that that Hon. and !.earned Gentlemen was too high spirited to
lisie,resolveAl to wait till Ids Right lion. Friend had spoltari,,to
give Mtn the opportunity of making a reply. Ile condemned
Ma principles wltich regulated the conduct ot thu holy Allinnee;
but lie was surprised the language held by tit.i tientlemeti op-
lantite.ou lite present occasion, as he ri:lnembeccd is. Wort:beard
theta .threa.4h so many. years constantly condenming.the con.
duct of Government for its proneness to meddle with the teen's
of the Continent. He was sorry to say he could see few indi-
cations of good faith on the part of the French Ministers. They
-had all along artfully veiled their objects, and treacherously
proceeded to the accomplishment of theirdesign. He ably yin-
tiicated the policy of Ministers in the late negociations, and in-
sisted diet if it had been different, charges not less serious than
those .now brought forward, would have been preferred by their
opponents. He could not see why this country ought to have
fitted out an armament to aid a nation containing ten millions of
<souls, and notorioutefor the great defensive means which it pose
etessed. If united he did not see that our aid was necessary--it
was not easy fire us to interfere. He therefore gave his decided
approbation to the line of policy which they had thought it their
derty,to adopt.
• Mr: Secretary CANNING rose. One or two other Mem-
hers offered themeelves at the same time, but the !tight Hon.
ileotientan being loudly called upon to proceed, the other lion.
Gentlemen gave way.
, . Mr. Secreted y CANNING then commenced.—He felt ex.
ceedingly sorry to stand in the way of any lion. Gentleman
• who wished to address the House on this questiom Hut comsi.
Bering the length to which this: debate had already extended— ,
considering the lateness of the hour to which they were ar-
rived on this the third night of the discussion, he feared it
would be westing his own strength, and exhausting the at-
tention of the Houser, it' he longer delayed the discharge ore
that duty which it was incumbent on him to petfortn, by ox-
,plaining the principles which had .regulated the conduct of
atiVernment in that Department . over which it was his pro-
vince more immediately: to preside in a negociation which
lee tuimitted - to be as important' which, he- was sure was as
interesting as any' in which thus Ministers of this country had
ever been engaged. The Government felt obliged, as much us
they could feel obliged, by the unconscious-conferring (Wan tin.
!intended benefit, to his lion.. Friend opposite (Mr. Macdonald)
who bad brought this question before the Minor; for though
they were before apprised of. the concurring opinions of many
of the Members upon this subject, and though they had had
the good fortune to receive intimations not to be mistaken,''
of the general sense of .the people ; yet it was not „his in.
tendon, as it was not the ordinary course of Ministers, to
call for an opinion on the Papers which had been laid before
.Parliament. He therefore was grateful to the lion Gentle-
man, who originated this que.non, for the perfectly candid
-and mistily way in which he had brought it forward, who by
doing so, wield, as he hoped, prove the means of adding
to the general approbation of the country the recorded appro.
bation of that liouse.--eff fear, hear, hear o—The0—The Government
mood at present in it most: extraordinary situation. It was nut
"said that they had secured the Peace, but it could not be de. 1
ened••that they had. not • provoked a war. Peace or Vl'ar,
_however,: wits the usual. result of negociating between in.
-dependent • states, .yet every Gentleman on the other side
with: tine or two- exc w.ton 4, (exceptions which he mentioned
-but to homier), had, declared that whatever the question
before the House might be, it was not the question of
pestle, or war. This seemed to him to be u most singular con-
. aitruction, as the negociations which were recently pendirig
-could only arrive at one or other of those terminations. lie-
-fore this debate 'commenced,. is was known that the dispo-
eitiort of those opposed to ,Ministers were warlike. It was
understood that they considered war to be desirable and ne-
ming. • The cry of ." to arms" was raised, and caps had been
thrown up for war from the crowd. But when they came to en-
quire when,-e these manifestations of feelings proceeded, but
two individuals had acknowledged the cry, and these had' not
taken up the. caps to wear. Whatever it might -notv be coo.
tended was the question actually before the House, the ghee..,
don which the Government lied to consider, and that on which
- tiny had to decide, was: the- question of peace or war, and he
&aired that the negociatione might-be so considered, and with
,a reference to their decision, that win- au be avoided, and
'peace, if poeeible, preserved.'—(Hear !)—flow was it possible to.
.diecusit with advantage the late traMotctions, or 'any tieg ocia.
thins in which the country might be engaged, unless' reference-
was made to the object originally in view? He -repeated. it,
whethet the House considered the question to be that of pence
or war or not, Ministers could not take one step in the late
.
-negotiations till they had weighed that question, and de.
terinined what direction ought to he given to the negociatfons,
so far as this country wits concerned. They had decided that,.
in the first iestenee, it was their duty to endeavour to preserve-,
peace fur all the world-; next, to preserve peace between the
& natio incest particularly expoeed to each other ; and failing
in this, to attempt to preitervii pence for this country; but
a peace consistent with the gpod faith, the interests, and the'
honour of the natiort,—Plear,. !tear, hear o—Two questions
sugrosted themselves for the doeii4ion of tins sultiect.' The first
was whether the object of Ministers wektiefilght one ; the second
whether they had pursued it in a right wtty47fte tint question,

whether Ministers had-none right to aim at peace in the present
state of the world end of this country, he world waive for the
present. Ile wietild assume the fact, hut would afterwards-
return to the , consideration of the question. lie would theft.
proceed to the negoziations, and inquire whether these had
been rightly conducted to prevent. the breaking out of a new
I war. in looking to these, directed as the effiats of the British
Government had been, to preserve the peace .of Europe genes
rally--peace between France and Spain particularly, and
especially peace for this country, he thought the transactions
ought to he divided into three stages,., The first of these coms
prehended all that related to the proceedings at-Verona—the
second, the negeciations with France.--the third, the negocia-.
dons with Spain. There was no fallacy, he hadobservcd, ran so
universally through the arguments • of till the aentlemen Who-
had spoken on the opposite side of the (louse as that of- taking
theeXpreseions- which i belonged to one stage : of . the ease and
applying them to another. For instance, the Hon. Baronet '
oppolite,.in a speech of great ability, had. repeated an objec.
nun there which he understood had .been previously heard
in another place, and this, as he believed, was the only pas-
sage which he „had .borrowed,- so he, would -..way it was -, the
only one which he had used which was perfectly weak and
useless for his. argument. The Honourable Barnet -had fol.
lowed the words, and as nearly its possible' ,so he judged from
what he had heard, the manner of the Noble' proprietor of
;the sentence which he had adopted when remarking on the
expression which he (Mr. Canning used in hie dispatch of the
137th .ef September, in which the Duke of Wellington was in-
structed to . declare, that "to any interference by force or
rrierieceon• the part of the Allies against Spain - come -what
may, his Majesty would not be party." Upon this the Hon.
Burt. demanded ‘`C/ctidilignuintantoleret hi e,prontissur Matra"
Cood God ! whet had all this conic to % After declaring the
King Would 'be no party to the proceedings'-in question, what
had been the resnit.. It' the Honourable Baronet considered
this applicable to the whole of the negociations' or if he could
phew thateite applied to a .particular line of conduct at a
more advanced stage of them, there would be something in the
argument—something in the influence which he wished should
be Omen front it. But, however weak this declaration might
seem, now it was something in its favour that it was applicable
to, the question which it was then intended to meet. That
question, it shouhlhe reinembertal, was not a question of war
between France and Spain ; but whether, in the Congress at
Verona, a determination should be avowed by the Allies to in-
terfere with force or menace in the affairs of Spain. To such
policy it had been declared that his Majesty would be no party,
though it might be the policy of the Alliance, of which his
Majesty was a mendur ; and it therefore announced, that conic
what might, it' such a course were pursued, it would produce
nothing less than the dissolution of that Alliance. If' the lion.
Baronet looked to the course which those proceedings had sub-
sequently.taken., he would find that that declaration had not
proved unimpertant; if he followed the negotiations to the
end, what would he see was the consequence of it ? Why, he
would see that this . specimen of the bathos—this instance of
perfectien in the art of sinking as it had been, described to be;
it would , be
.seen that the effect of this very instruction was
taparalyze the resolves of the Allies', and the Congress sepa-
rated , without determining in favour of any joint operation
against Spain. He believed it was true in politics as it cer-
tainly was in mechanics`, that it' you moved the greatest body
with the least possible power, you most successfully accom-
plished your object ; and so, it by the least possible threat,
you succeded in deterring those opposed to you from acting
against your policy, it was no charge against a statesman
that the menace . used was. by no means equal to the good
which it had achieved. It was no reproach, that instead of
flourishing on general . principles, he at once arrived at the
point which he sought to gain ; but, on the contrary, it,' was
most desirable so to do without waste of time and argu-
ment, and with the least possible irritation of temper, by
provoking which', a negaciator must of necessity risk the ob-
ject for which lie contended.—(Hear, hear, hear'.)—This, he
asserted, had been done in the case referred to, and who were
Cie:, witnesses whom he would call to prove the assertion ? Why
the first was, the Duke de Montmorency, who stated to his
Government, that if England would have been a party to the
proceedings- contemplated at Verona, success was certain, and
the object of France must at once have been accomplished.—
The next voucher which he would produce was the letter front
Sir W. A'Court, in which he stated M. tie San Miguel, on
being informed that the Congress at Verona had broke up
With the brOint filmcit of merely sending three notes from
the Courts in alliance with France, considered her object to
have been defeated through our exertions.. His third witness
was the fun. Member for Westminster.--(Hear, hear!)--who
thrtunately for him (Mr. Secretary Canning) had been wander-
ing an the Continent, and had picked up information front vari-
ous persons with whon helugl met, which information proved
tuore.Correei than anti-chamber reports usually were, and front
this it app,ored that the lion. Gentlemen bad been informed
that the resotutions originally proposed far the adoption of the
Congress had been set aside, and that he (Mr Canning) as the
British Alinister was to bear the blame.-.-(Bear hear!)—ln
this case, then, he and, the English Government were impeached
nut for failure but for success, and the lion. Bert. with bad taste,
not his own, had argued, following the steps of others, as if
success were not worth having because the machinery em-
ployed had not made sufficient noise in its operation.-(Hear,
hear, hear I)—N.ow, in the first place, he would contend, that
whatever might grow out of the conflict between France and
Spain from a comparatively insulated quarrel, though matter
for grave consideration, was less to be dreaded than the events
which might follow of all the Great Powers of the Continent
were on the one side, and, Spain on the other. First of all,
then, it had been the object .ef this Government to diminish
the opposition to Spain—to reduce it from join hostility to a
separate quarrel—front a question between the Allies and
Spain. to a question between nation and nation ; which, what.
ever the result might be, brought it at least to the size of ordi-
nary events, and within the scope of ordinary supremacy. ,The
grand object of England had been to destroy the joint charac-
ter of the hostility to Spain—to keep within reasonable bounds
the jurisdiction of the Alliance, and to do away with that
areopagitical spirit of superintendence over the Government
of Independent States which had manifested itself. This had
been accomplished. With respect to this part.of the case, how
stood the only charge which, after all, had been seriously urged
against the Government ? It was not so much charged that
the object of. the Government was amiss, As that the negotia-
tions had been conducted in too low a tone. Here was at least
one case in which a high tone might have frustrated the object
in view, which object had been ained by the lore tone now
made the subject of complaint. lie begged then to call upon
Ose House before they proceeded to decide on the question,
which exhibited more of the ingenuity of the Philologist than
of the policy of the Stateitmen,—betbre, they ventured to de.
(ermine a question of grammatical nicety, he- begged that
they would at least except the transactions at Verona, from
' the proposed censure, where he thought he had shewn that a
high tone was not only unnecessary, but would have been '
misplaced, lie excepted from those who had made a general '
call for a higher tone, his Hon, Friend the Member for Brtunber.
He, though he had joined in the complaint, he (31r. Canning)
v<as sure, as he knew his mode of dunking and listened with
reverence to all that came from him, directed his objection to
other topics, than those immediately connected with politics.—
He rather contended that that profligacy which had been ma-
nifested should be reprobated as immoral than opposed from
motives of political expialiency. That lion. Gentleman had
passed a useful and amiable life, and 'had gone through the
world without being stained ' by its contaminations. But he
feared his Honourable Friend was not aware how difficult it
was to apply to politics those principles which were excellent as
connected with morals. Had we employed in the negociations
that moral tone which lie might. have admired„ many would
have complained, though his lion. Friend would not, that we
had torn a leaf front the book of the Holy Alliance, and framed
a canting protest against their iniquity to cover the proaecu.
tion of our own purposes. -The - cause having been gained at
Verona, to dwell on the proceedings of' the Congress was un-
necessary, The principles on which the Allies were tbs.
posed to . act, they knew could not be considered as de-
bateable ground. There, politics had been disclaimed two
years before by the late Marquis of Londonderry, and to
renew discussions on these would have led to differences
and disputes without end. He knew that an Honourable
Gentleman opposite might he disposed to have lectured them
aft being tyrants anti despots leagued against the interests of
all mankind. This might be very desirable in some cases, but
it would appear samewliat singular in diplomacy. It could
hardly be expected that the. Alluta would have borne this with
patiente—it could hardly he supposed that in return for math
indignities they would have acted like Sheetock in the play,
and saide,...
- s . i 6 lair Sir, you spit on me 'on Wednesdaylast ;
. • Yeti spurned me on such a day ; another time
Yoti called me-sehig ; anti for these courtesies
I yield yon-what you ask."
Taking such a tone as he had supposed could do no good.—
Should we not despise those who could thus be swayed, and
could it be contended that the doctrines of morality and those of
true policy were less usefully , inculcated where embellialiments
of tins sort were dispedsed with, anti where recourse was not had
to the flowers of Billingtigate. But other objections were urged
against Ministers in connection with the Congress. It had been
asked why we sent a Plenipotentiary at all . to the Congress ?
It was a remarkable fact, as he had stated on the day when he
first addressed the House on this subject, that before the Duke
of Wellington left this-country it was not understood that the
affairs of. Spain were to form so prominent a part in its pro.
ceedings. It had not been intended to send a British Pleni-
potentiary to Verona in the first instance. A Congress at Ve-
rona had originally been del ermined upon solely to take into
its coincide anon the affairs of Italy, with which the Hon.
°Kalman was aware England had declined to interfere two

years ago. England ,was therefore not to Varticipate in '
proceedings, and all that regarded her was proposed to be ar-
-ranged in a previous Congress to be held at Vienna. He
'had no hesitation in saying, that when he accepted the seals of
office, the grand object in
,view was to prevent the commence-
ment of hostilities between Russia and the Porte. By the
'concurrence of Russia and the Turkish Government the ar-
rangement of the differences between the two countries had
been left in the hands of the British Ambassador at. Constan-
tinople. So completely had this business been placed in
the handa of Lord Strangford, that he was summoned to.
Verona, to report the state in which matters then were be-
tween those Powers. Undoubtedly it was known from- cir-
ctunstancca, which, were of public notoriety, that something
connected with the affitirs of Spain would come! before the
Congress, but the bulk of the instructions. which the Noble
Duke carried with him related-to the disputes between Russia
anti the Sublime Porte. The arrangement had been .left
to the same Minister, and so far as any thing could. be
predicted with respect to that •which - was not -absolutely, de-
rided upon, be belieVed., there ivas every' prospect of; effect-
ing a permanent adjustment of the differences which had
prevailed. This would account for our ultimately !tending
an Ambassador to -Verona. It was at that'Ainte said,- that
Spain ought to have been called upon' to send a Plenipoten-
tiary to Congress. So flir as Great Britain Was concerned, he
would answer this. In the first place, we did not wjsh the affairs
of Spain to be brought into discussion at all, and comeptentlV we
could not have taken a preliminary step which would have
seemed to recognize the necessity of such a proceeding. •In the
next place, if' Spain had not given an- answer the reverse of what
was expected, the demand might have placed -this country
in a similar situation. A 31imster sent front the King of,
Spain, then at variance with his Cottes, might not have been
received as the Spanish Ambassador, and- if no Minister at all
had been sent this might have been taken us a proof of the
King's captivity, and therefore, in either case, we were glad
to avoid making such a deniand. In the first instance, we
wished to prevent the discussion which might have arisen as to
the true characterof the Ambassador ; in the next we were anxi-
ous to give no countenance to a Government which we denied.
Such. were the circumstance under which a British Minister
went to Verona. Front these and front what followed, it would
be seen that nothing had occurred to lower this country . in the
eyes of Russia or the Porte; A British Minister went to the
Congress entrusted - with the Wiest powers which any State
could give to its own Ambassador, and lie returned to Con-
stantinople with the fullest powers. ever given to an Am-
bassador from the Court to which he belonged. Such were
the proofs of the decay of our influence and of the falling
character of this country, that two of the greatest Powers
of the world were content to leave the settlement of their dif-
. .

ierences to a British Minister from the confidence they had in
British equity, British influence, British wisdom, and British
power.—(flear, hear !)—lie had stated that Plngland declined
interfering with the atlitirs of kat., but it could not he expect-
ed our Ambassador would withiiold his consent to the CVFICLIa.

non of Naplet and Piedmont. He had shown that by our ex-
ertions the Allies had been prevented front acting in a corpo.
rate character against Spain. The three Powers who had con-
curred with France had withdrawn their Ministers, having only
promised their active support in certain hypothetical cases,
which cases had not occurred ; these caul were, first, any at-
tack on France by Spain ; secondly, any violence offered to
the King of Spain or to his family ; and thirdly, any forcible
attempt to change the reigning dynasty. He, therefore, main-
tained these things not having taken place, Franco was not at
war on a Verona case, and so far as he knew (though he could
not prove a negative) no subsequent arrangement had been de.
tennined upon which should entitle France to support from the
Allies in any other cafe:. Great Britain bad peremptorily re.
fused her mediation between the Allies and Spain, if the former
should unite in any corporate declaration, or act against that
country; but the moment the 'Duke of Wellington arrived at
Paris, he was instructed to otter the mediation of England be.
tweet) France and Spain. \Vas it necessary to point out the dif-
ference in principle between an offer of mediation between the
Allies and Spain, which would have given to this alliance a cha-
racter which we denied to it in IWO, and the offer of mediation
subsequently made to France. Some contended that the re-
fusal of our mediation ought to be regarded its en, affront; but
he contended no refusal of mediation ought so to be considered.
The Right lion. Secretary cited Yawl on the Law of Nations,
and stated that a mediator may interpose good offices, and even
recommend the injured party to make concessions, with a
view of' reconciliation. From that book, which had justly ,
obtained celebrity, it would appear • that in case, Spam • had
actually been called on to consent to some, humiliation,
the negotiator would not have exceeded his authority. . That
however was not .the course.. pursued. The atediatitm of
England. was offered with a friendly feeling to both parties.
lf.Franee declined the offia of mediation, • it was because both
parties were impressed with a belief that there was no eerpo.
rate difference between them which was *abject to the common
princples of mediation. The misunderstanding Appeared more
likely to be., satisfied by the good sense of either party than
under the arrangement of mediation,- upon. a specific and tan-
gible object. In fact there was.no specific point for the common
forms of mediation. If France had, by a coup de main, pus.
sessed herself of Minorca, there would have been fair matter
for the arrangement of peace, by recommending restoration
and a compensation ; but where there had been a long course
of unlimited offence, each party said—for God's cake disco.
ver the means of adjustment, for my part, I know not how it
is to be settled. The arrangement of the difference between
the two countries was most difficult. The Honourable Member
said the dispute might have been settled in case England had
acted fairly towards Spam with a reciprocal application front
France. It was forgotten that our mediation was refused
by France, and about the same tithe the good offices of En g.
land were required by Spain. 'There was a Note from M.
San Miguel, in which our good osiers were doubted, but in
the end were admitted. Ile relied upon the true meaning of
that paper, because the lion.. Member for Westminster had
misunderstood it from, the beginning. M. San Miguel com-
plained of the want of communication of what had been pass-
. His Note was dated the 15th November, Congress did
not close till the ;Nth, and the moment it was ended, he tl,ought
it his duty to impart to the Spanish Government, by its Charge
d'Affaires, all communications as to what had been passing at
Verona. lie assured them the disposition 'tibia Majesty's Go-
vernment was favuurable to Spain, but declined giving informa-
tion as to the subjects of discussion. Ile did so because they were
still negotiating with other Powers on the Spanish question.—
It was nut known whether the negotiation would LI propitious
to Spain, and every man of honour would admit, that it would
have been unfair to Spain, and injurious to the Allies, to snake
known to Spain the disputes which arose. All information
on these disputes must have injured liar. Would it have been
fair to curry•favour with Spain, by telling her we have been
fighting your battles, and the result is unfavourable ? his wish
was,. that Spain should not know battles had been fought, and
in that view he was desirous what was passing should not be
communicated until the proper time. M. San Miguel, in his
ignorance of the proceeding's at Paris, appeared to feel some
impatience,' and it was natural he should discover dieap- •
pointment. The expression used with reference to the con-
duct of the British Government was this;—,, If acts of friend.
ship are carrying on, why are they not disclosed ?—lle would
Lit the House why not. It was not because negotiations were
going on, but because if they •were successful, the Spanish Mi.
nieter should not know that he was indebted to Great Britain
for the result. The result, however, was unsuccesful ; and at
• that moment a full. disclosure of the proceedings at Verona
was matte. That tliscloSure, was the. foundation of another
dispatch from ,San Miguel, in which it appeared 'hat the con-
duct of Great Britain 'had given' satisfaction. M. San Alive!
said he approved of the course Great Britain had taken, and ad-
mittedahat site could notcomproinise the principles of neutra.
lity. With the pen of conciliation Great Britain could support
Spain without taking
, her part in the war, which trust not interfere
with
neutrality. It way asked why Ministers did not
notify to Spain that which she .concealed? Ile had answered
why, and repeated, that the moment the Congress was over, full
communication was inade, tont ample instruction given as to
our future conduct. Most true, and lamentable as trite it was,
, that our representation to France was not successful. The lion.
Member fur Westminster had attributed that failure to the in-
, terference of Russia, repeating that a bet was made in a coffl c.
house that the Russian Minister would force France to a war.
11"1 ()USE, in explanation, said, the assertion was
made on conjecture.
Mr, Secretary 'CANNING observed, if it rested only on
conjecture, he could have wished it had been so inserted in the
address. He had however,understond an amendment was to be
moved, stating that what the lion Member advanced respecting
Russia was the effect of bet.—(A laugh ).—The lion. Member
for Bridgenorth had stated that France could not avoid the
wet'. If that 'assertion was corner', it removed much odium
front the French Government.
His Majesty's Ministers had
been described as dupes ; because the French Government,
from the beginning had one unite determined object in view.
The English Alinistera at least
were, not the only dupes. M.
Montmorency was sent to Verona t lie negotiated, with the
Allies, and on his return was made a Duke, Three
days he was turned out of office, and his dispatches assign-
, ed to other Ministers. So fat he .(Mr. Canning) blieved he-
-had been duped. He- really believed that the change of the
Ministers in France was a change from war to peace.- It was
not, however, so. It was- changing
the question respecting
Ettrope to the French question. M. Alontmortincy_ came front
VeronA with the case of the Allies. The Ministers who succeed..
had a case to meet the French view. The question was no
longer whether peace or war beat applied to the interests of
France. M. Montmorency meat honourably resigned on the
, Iground that he could-not carry into effect the principles Agreed
upon at Verona. On the change of the French Ministers some
disappointment ensued ; but surely that change.was no ground

for calling the British Minietertedopee. In snch a.. variation of
purpose, it was no longer a question relating to a corporate
noarrerne but
ini3 •
noteindividual
to t 1 eq s
Dukee sts .(4
The%
iDue e
n g ,n
changed Io t.
his tone, and M: de. Chateaubrianniat once said, the question
was lout P MUM'S et Trorw els. lie believed M: de Chateau-
briand to be a' man of honour, and capable of discharging
the . duties of his 'high situation. Whatever he might say of
France, he owed it to the character of that Minister' to
say, there was nothing to lead to believe he was any other than
an upright honourable man. Ile owed him that statement, be-
' cause he had unintentionally done him some wrong. A letter
from M. de Chateaubriand to AL Lagarde, had been translated
as stating that Lord Fit:roy Somerset's negociation had
not reached Park. - He had_since received another text, in
which it appeared M. de Chateaubriand had not spoken in
the present, but in the ,fatarre sense. 'Having corrected the
' inaccuracy, he should not do cinnplete justice -to that Gentleman
if he omitted-to state another fact : he had just received a let-
ter on a subject- some time sinces brought under the observation
of the House.- They tad heard ms account of the capture of
Spanish corvette by a•French ship of =war, which it' she acted
under'ordersonust have receivnl these orders at the very time
'the French Government were most warm' in their profeasionsaif
peace. • If that had been the fact, he did uot feel that this court...
try was entitled', to throw the dirt stone to punish such . an of
By reference to the wars.of 171 m and 1006, k would be
found this country had. not been the :most -regular in making
captures, but 'it was satisfactory to know it 'was not so. The
moment he heard of the transaction he sent •a message to Sir
C. Stuart, our 'Ambassador 'at Parinotameke inquiry into the
'matter, and ask the• French Government for explanation. It
waa' stated forthwith, and a telegraphic communication had
been received. 'Theletter was from • M. De Chateaubriand,
dated Paris, April 20, 1823.—" We have not received any thing
official with regard to the capture by the Jean Bart. That yokel
had no instruction to make an attack. If wrong has been done
there .must be sonic • peculiar circumstances ire the itifair.—
In any case the Government will see justice dune."—The
.bight lion. Secretary thought it right to make the above known;
because it chewed a readiness • to give explanation when it. was
required. Among other triples in the debate of last night, it
had.been stated by an lion. Baronet, that the Spaniard,: had
shewn a solicitude to provide for alas safety of the Royal Fa--
unity. He could not admire the introduction.of that topic as
connected with the conduct of Arguello. • -
Sir J. MACKINTOSH said, in explanation, that the sub-
ject was introduced with delicacy.
Mr. Secretary CANNING was sure his lion. Friend would
agree with him, there could be nothing more fatal than to fas
miliarize the mind of England or Spain to a disaster,which the
Honourable Baronet must naturally deprecate. The Honour-
able Members who impeached the conduct of Uovernrerent, had
contended that Ministers ought to have made propositions.which
they did not make, and that having gone • to a certain extent
in, tint negociation, they had no power to retreat. On that
view of the question came the attack. With respect •to the
Memorandum of the Noble Duke which had been the subject
of so much criticism, it was the bearing of his manly mind 'not
intended to meet the eye us the subject of debate in
that House. It was the Noble Duke's own thoughts, and he
was assured what the Noble Duke said about Spain might
be believed. In such a case a person must have great har-
dihood to accuse the Noble Duke of incapacity. He trusted
himself in the Noble Duke's hands, and whatever might be
the- view taken of the Memorandum in that House there was
not an individual in Spain who considered it as an offence. I
wish to God, said Mr. Canning, part of the advice had been
taken. He admitted the point of honour. Ile did pot feel
that Spain was bound to make any sacrifice, yet he was sure,
if they were justified in point of honour ui not consenting
to modify their Constitution, it would have been romantic
honour in England to abstain from making the offer to Spain
which she thought might lead to conciliation. There were but
two questions to consider ; one was whether the country ought
to have gone to war, or whether it was not right to Mann.
taint peace. He should not say fastidiously to the S'painarda,
" whilst you have ideas of litmus, we cannot advise you
for your good." They took a' wiser coinsie; they said ;
reconciliation may take place by some concession to. Franca-.
eino, ntrh
aCDtoini
fxsptati
ittcluetityi,o
wnp.oa—gu Constitution.—(!gear
modify)a
It was obvious that France had as much right to say we. will
have our troops on the Frontier, as SpairtElind to .say, we will
haviintuettlioyn,startreadnctoe
would ItthewirasCodnisstt
remove leer-troops. It was mentioned in Lord Wel-
lington'snote to M. San Miguel,
page 311, and in a note from himself, in page 42. He had
no wish to distort the case, but to state facts as they really
twiteirnes. in Ithheelyr negotiations, adtiey
could
d nott wg°ouldbeaypTL the
wtheoyf
na-
halt
•uot exceeded the bounds prescribed by the great writers on
that subject. Vete!, describing what the duties of a mediator
- were, said—" His duty is to bear well and second the claim
to restitution made by the party injured, but he ought not
.strictly to insist on rigid terms. Ile, conciliator, not judge,
.ought to induce the injured party to relax something .for the
preservation of pounce." Such were the duties of a mediator,
and he might ask whether the British Government had been
unjust in recommending the weaker party to depart from some.
thing of their rights for the end and purpose of conciliation?
They had discharged their duty fairly. Ni as it possible to look
at Spain in -its present state and say England was wrong in
recommending concession ? They could not forget the power
and commanding figure of France ; a war in the heart of Eu-
rope produced a convulsion which all Europe. must feel. He
was sure the House would give him credit for saying it was
with great reluctance to proceed out of what Inc considered
his true course. • He was anxious that the • policy of his
Majesty's Government should not be misunderstood, and
therefore it was material no misrepresentation should go un-
noticed. It wag raid there had been an endeavour to make
the Spaniards violate their oaths. Two parties • in Spain • con.
. tended for and against the existence of the Constitution. Its
duration was limited to eight years, at the end of which time
it was to be revised. Those who calculated from the date of
the Constitution in 1012 said it expired. Others ••who looked-
only to its operation contended that it had not expired. Under
those feelings, it. was the opinion of' many persons that the
Spanish. Conteieution might be modified. It was the opinion
of a Noble Spaniard who took part in the Revolution, that
a modification might take place without a violation • of the
oaths of the parties. Upon a persuasion that the change
would be advantageous to Spain, his 'Majesty's Ministers
made the proposal to modify the Spanish Constitution. That
proposition did nut succeed. They had, however, one consol.
ation—recent accounts from Spain stated some surprise' that.
those to whom the prbposal had been made had -been so tena.
duos. He believed he might go further, and say, he had rea-
son to believe Spain might yet be saved by reconsidering the
proposition which in the fervour of national independence • she
had rejected. The first communication. we made to Spain was,
that she was not to rely upon any armed assistance from this
country. That neutrality was the course we had adopted, wins
the first communication e and the last was like the first front
first to last there bad never been even a momentary variation
in our language, never a single pause • during - which. Spain
might suppose that we had any doubt. - Some llon. Gentle-.
men had complained that they had done wrong, and only suit
France ut her ease by our declaration of neutrality ; that this
declaration was made to France on the 31st of March, and on
the 7,11 of April she crossed the Bidassoa. As far as the dates
went, this theory appeared in sonic measure to be borne out.
But so far from that being the case in reality, France had
never been informed that this Government had determined on
neutrality. From the publications of the King's Speech she
had been kept in doubt as 'to that determination, while Spain
had been constantly assured that it was still maintained. It
had been intended to-make the declaration of neutrality t • • but
when the King of -France's Speech came to-ther knowledge,
tie told the Frenth, Charge d'Affaires, that in consequence of
the principles put forward in that Speech, the declaration
should be withheld.—(hear, hear !)--Was that truckling. to
France.—(Cheers.)-4I e saw that such principles Were carrying
them back to the tunes when France had dominion-over Spain
to the injury of this country. Ile therefore withheld the decla-
ration of neutrality, because it should not set France at her ease.
Spain had never been deceived by them. But he feared, never.
thelesa, that individuals-had hinted at 3ladrid, that if the Spa.
Mali Government held out they would be assisted by Great
Britain, who would be forced into a war by popular opinion.
The Government, however, had taken no such course. Ana
he would solemnly declare that nothing could add inure to the
poignancy ta:feeling, with whicli he regarded the failure to pre-
serve Spain from war, than the solf.reproach of having caused
her so bitter a disappointment. lie had now, he thought, esta-
blished beyond question, that the course they pursued was the
best calculated to preserve peace. lie was aware that the
greater position still remained to be established, that
.peace
was the proper policy. He had said before, that tine duty of
Government was to weigh the question well. They did weigh
the question well, and they decided upon that policy in re-
ference to these five consideration% : In reference to the
state of Spain ; in reference Ao the state of Portugal ; in re.
ference to the state of the Alliance ; and in reference to the
general state of the world. With reference to Spain,- there
was one contingency which had since arisen, and which they
ihe tlto ns.
nbn etrhfeo rwWare.—stn4insinteurg,hw.)lt
could not possibly foresee. This was to be found in the speech
proda`s
pain,
uc mr
ei spere
sae
ns
tue
db iidays
ofo t
constituents as willing to subscribe to a Man, and to court
every sacrifice,. it' the Government would engage to mike
it a war of people against Kings..---(A this
was a small condition to which he, for one, was not very
willing to accede; it would be a very similar measure teethe
Decree of the National Convention, promising assistance to
every people who would.endeavour to shake off their Govern-
ments. But perhaps the Honourable. 3lember would not find
many to join him In bit chivalrous-desire of making such sacri-

fic ese Then the Hon. :Member rnight be situated like King James,
between his two Bishops. The King asked one of them whether
he might not take theinoney out of the people-'s pockets without.
their consent 'r " Clod forbid that your Majesty should not," said
Bishop Williams. His Majesty repeated the question to the other
Bishop, and the answer was, " God forbid that your Majesty
should not take brother Williams's money."--(A laugh ! )—No if
the lion. Member might be put with any other Hon, Member,
•say the lion. Member for Surrey, and let the same question he
put to him. He apprehended the Hon. Member would say;`
" by all means ; take our brother of Westminster's."—(lsuge
ter.)—The Hon. Gentleman had done him the honour of re
felling to aim part of his political life to which he looked back
with the greatest pride, namely, the part he took in erg t,
the war in favour of Spain in 1803. The Right llonoureble
Gentleman eloquently described the difference between all
the eirtatinstancee of Spain and England-at that period arid-
at the present. But when they plunges' holdly into that war,
had they no lectures from a certain quarter, no forebodingse
no chastisement, for-the enthusiastic , ardour with which they
risked the great interests of the country ? There was at that
time a Sage who expressed hitnielf upon the subject to the fel-
lowing effect:—c' 1 cannot concede to the sentiments of the
Noble Marquis, the inference which his declerations assumed,
that, in order to warranted this country to embark in a mili-
tary co-operation with Spain, nothing more wits neeessiay
'then to chew that her cans,. was jnst. In my mind, my Lord, n
passing judgment upon such a policy, it, was not enough that
`the attack of _France upon the Spanish nation was unprincipled,
perfidious; and cruel; ' that the resistance of Spain was dictated
by every motive honourable to human nature ; that it made
every English heart burn with a holy zeal to herd its assistance
against the oppressor. There were other consid.rations of a less
'brilliant and enthusiastic, but not less necessary and demand-
ing nature, which should have prccceded the determination of
:ling to hazard the most zalualfrk inter, sts of the countrv. It is net,
my Lords; with nations as with individuals: .Thoee heroic
virtues which shed a lustre upon individual man, must, in
tqluieoitrai-ttpiopnlicafrtoilonn ton
stipieeeccohndbuyct of nation", be chastenea bY re'
isluccpipiocentsinogt s
pa
ani more s
against
g cautiousrhtr.
ittnciee,,:allri calculating cast. -ViJss'
cannot afford to be . chivalrous and romantic."--rni° is of
H a co it fessed that
inl.ligitlt Grey,
Itleyidivi :1,141.,°i
rsn
iinit , the
hi eeP:°llllll3iresunYlslelgri,le)
it would gratify the spirit of a great man now no more,
of
see his prophecy reversed, in which he said the spirit of
cHhuivtalirioyuw, aewonuoldmiotted,elaind the reign of economists aad sPS:
dilators. had arrived. That the reign of economists and cal
ettlators had arrived, they all knew very well.—(A littfein)n-
see that in this very quarter the spirit of chivalry was rew,eli
In reference tog pain then the preservation of ocflee wcklbe
be a blessing. din reference to France, he could not
so cold-blooded as to look with icditference at what migin be
the fearful . consequence. of a retaliation on the part of 5?1,..
by invading her territories. If a war should be carried ofin D.,'._
tween . them, in which the one party attempted topit? darts
well-epringe of liberty, and the other aimed the pie) ell L'i"e
oastfnar.,riteeditiv,luljitootioncno,iiiiithidwenatrroftua,reewposnglhaicienythtwaassiesntooill. settwieleherearrao, middle cet.T:i.;
lie could not, . on the other hand, engage whit tie leFlibiert'l3rl).recr
such circumstances. Peace, then. was tli,:. pro Per thatPY all
The Right lion. Gentlemen then proceeded to %hew ,
.1 i,
the other interests, those of Portugal, at the Alliance, o.n'illea
dcmd
been
deuntry, and ,the general interests of the woad, "
readyfmwr oeo
most
net
peace. With regard to Portugal, he stated that all ha
ranee
done which the -treaties. required, in obtaining the 3°l f ,he
ealtl.ot'ort
agasctiti:kcepeenpdtot,
support
itdtale;
is
cieserro
country
pa.
nt
it tuoa attack kit
wouldwusna n 1
lib:
be, as
°walls:
es
ii it) it line! iwi tit; es
thel
.1h
, tli,,,`.
‘i-e_ii
drop
cnl.l,
tween the two countries.,, w suppose that we ,
must b •iii,ll.3e; a
into the war because Portugal chose to assist Seta% :t,t,
„re,
the Eight Hon. Gentleman Itfidtitich:ttattehiscefoPtianrttiryesoinfi.ll:,l,l`)niPrif;
Earth the struggle from its own exalted station ; net s"r"
of
into the field as partisans, bat holding high the balance
taut,
Lice to all ; grasping, but not drawing the sword. iftr,,,,w,orieg
ing such position, they might still hope to be useful ;or; only
that peace which they could not preserve. lie wouldthe motion
call the attention of the House for a few minutee to
but
COoi„
itself, as it stood before them. There way no "In% .e, The
dered the subject as one of the eery greetest int' ',
rendered
fitthoennnegoeczscsaiatriyoialidanitirrpeappelarrs, I;t2lofff-thl l'es'i:.',,rtti.l.33et.,,e,:i.lastb,iecinf:OtTwenl:
teavlelr,focor
iannpyetennietaasunrde
properor it itsbiornauoyponifhotir
ihfelf;beltnirwt.utiowifitnnJt°ll.!
any course which euggeeted itself to the
that House were called upon to express an ornlunsubstentiee
subject, it ought to be at least conveyed in sa';',idr,, 5, after
•
nt
and intelliqible shape. Now what was °di! with swbich
amoefotrulearignhest at, notice,
ed after
had been held un to those whom it was, nlfiatf,c
ty, that the
veined noon the House to " represent to his '‘oilijeistude to Pre:
disappointment of his .Majesty't benevolent 'hive, in a great
serve g 4 neral peace, appears to this House tp,_.l., to make the
measure, arisen from the failure of his 3linist!":iost the pre'
,eta make wet'
tended right of the Sovereigns assembled at Veronatie
not
on Spain on account of her political institutitoto:i,,ltion, and
take the liberty to state that this was not a fai I sci_lsir„ French
and solemn Plutest 3N"
that it was by nu means correct, because time 11:0!:
course" Wan
the menece-
inibilato ?
~
war, and had not arisen upo a Verona case. I." . The
rtrinticlei
pretension of the French Otia-v'enwnebtlieleennat 4,a titgncienSensYStrUt:ll7C:l3:l:b:s°.C:e.ellin t
"1; . pontaneout
lawfully eujoy any civil privileges but front
tiked the liberty
togrnt of their Kings." He must here agein , rival de,
AI
sarthat the Address •V )3
not correct. Thee %lode,' on
ed whether the
protest against the King's Speech, he doubt
langtognee
Hun. Member hineeelf would have used strongcr _
this yettr
pitesonelaiitni wdohwicnh
urpoennwasottrahernceosecaltsaiodnsbr beat
Address, he had taken the very Jutguage of his CM ..nnca.„ie
tab?,
Nay, they could ascertain that lie would not, ff:t:tn,a_4l;n tsisc)
disPotele—( Hear, hear, hear ly-elle stated the Yr_t_sti.,ration ;
such 114 to 4* strike at the root of the British- ;Jo!' was askeil,
and those were the v. ry words in which the Ifoose,._ nut hoe.
upon this momentous °caution, to condemn than To con:
ing employee' such terms as became the honour it to repre3
try.—(Cheers !)—'l'he Address further went
ofnrfrtioe llousei r,
'tent to his .Majesty, that, in the judgment liars been l'ette.
tene of more dignified remonstrance would t
and thorf
calculated to preserve the peace of the Colltinent4 haeard,„J,
by to secure this nation more effectually frent there it en"' ,
being involved in the calamities of war." And „„ ? coo.
Was this a British Parliament addreesing the el'obroeeve- of teal,
inn up a complaint that the nation MIN'IIII tl ,ouraflee 9.
and' of courses giving at least a conditional a-1-1,, tint ei,
sclualredr,i.becaust, lie should have to advise his 31°J;04111 met
the answer to be given, and he was whichs lie , ~ ben ss
know what to say. . The on answer occurreni; itone
being suitable to the occasion was—" l'in verY snri,Y. 10'0601
shame(i pointt
ilAlt:ttluicie
dhchwowchlchahcgr
which
laughter.)—This :tie
prs' I 1 i
be a
awiasn brought tine u iliisp
oh upshot oi
it.
a 1111
et if :it
I:,tirobito el
40fio:
porfect security upon the justice of the cottntrye.,.., „nee f
sure that their conduct, directed as it had been wf;Vweold be
interestsfthswil)re:3lu,iiiicisruleltiiro:dedttihne tl
itehigolhwscielhatNisuc °tot
o::howounisnUgluula;oltdehnahscUtnittheniorli°llw%Youn,taliostti.tilPalYuoliocal:lWovidr Utitior'°Urnubrdt4pwar
azi3altysiiti.tgobts'etilicees;ivolerrniiretnltitteirli:lnilail/late,.nibviet,zYcol):::ll:l,°tl:ytinipUlttlw)itesP:.lttecebe::(l:ll:lllltieci(lttge:l,:::::we'itort°:?iltiqc:Bl.'dur:e.'leeAl4a.ttin.
‘'edtiit'ilie°llseinwo4clefinbintloe:
t thni lite
fore the House. They had heard an able and clog:le:no il"
not tel. r ,
writing, right words in right places, that wa, ~ onairs---e
which the Right Hon. Gent. should have liirdwu helrotias pliers
agliltti)i,lretai:Dy,rwaltdmiuto:koweblt
jd.:a
contend
onitlint:
eeinysvodas,ug.Pic:edailtdthnsh tl'wtrgii:snyt
sditaegtbapile,rtancteblii:;:tcen'tet:hxl,:i.te-,lcli.ollitionhi!talcicour.ti.ll:.:ln:iiini,::,,l.,l:ll3.o,,'.!,,,
all. This was the great cause ot compratitt,,napnt7Arowilliiiehge.o.
Right Honourable Gentleman hod not reMoven„: n`„, tiel .r:1,
proposed to the_ Allied Powers by r'ra,,''',l,l a''e.
?,annieleyteotspl-:osirialtni;reemaniwdnafsowtrhheatitever treasures Ow may wee, `rte' s
Villele was the head,
and the latter was left to pursue his own modern
were net
~
Verona was the theatre upon which thaw so fop ae,
!tight thco •
which was now made more noise about by the noon ~---
tlernan, than his own machine made when in °near_ ettiebil4.l
and we were now told by die author of that vigoro__sa "only toe,
thatmlistodh:elrournot tten;ealrrotnyl;intostofroe%bnliciogyiet,eiliitcoootri;:g;;,;,
adapted well, no doubt, to its purpoee, that li was truilnt;
charged with the slight fault of not operating "'wen which in
a noise. Now, one word upon the specified case,s,wuhich was
ins
allies would have interfered with Spain ; one woo, trifisienn
the event of Ferdinand's safety being encialer not the . lit
deed, was the security for Spain. Wnuln or sone le.
2
trareluneti
ho
safetynswt ra
san disapprobatione firnompuboiniec of
ls
have made
s itlin i s twe rscia x
as„, je....,:z..ete evri sn a
thei i 1
nine case—and have justified the Allied, grnr-i.74t
their own opinions to make war was;
nn eliealse 3
large and
whic , iropulgrty SP
troops shall march whenever revolution menaces
,i,
od axon I
Jo,
turbs Spain. This principle wee avowed In iv ~,,, ion.. 3,0
which proved the victory achieved over tho Rig }it Ile
li Were S., ,_ 0
'sowft.eehkap'teifirtlgthinaeasnseXietir°oornn:an:ocyn' iostetiirntwilninigs4 tl;itmivt!:lllei-:;::.,.eicti,t,o,:irs_asdntsfi:
tleathefamtltenaerpfultnedhl.edTtdooistc?raoinithlseuerecatniotsnaB°htoeftlineereeo.ynigwgre:ol:siesisiedetifitenwrswteelril:eitehweijonlar._le ;or
oili.ib ~r,i the