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introduced at the request of Rus is to this country, in order to
sh ,w, that while Russia had departed in one respect from the
sere en-loht, she was net, therefore, to be accuseJ of bad faith in

the metier referred to,

11.issia wanted the v.ords in.e:ted in

the treaty for the reason I have stated, and though England did
not desire their insertion, she agreed to them ; and, as a mat-
ter of good faith, under the circumstance•, she conceived it
was her duty to continua the pa) merit of the interest
of the debt.—( Hear, bear.) I must say, that with
regird to the spirit of the agreement, it would not be just to
take sdvantage of these word., Russia having faithfully ob-
served its stipulations. Ido think, however, that according
to these words, if we were disposed to proceed upon their close
construction, we might say—" We made this agreement with
your sanction, you were a party to its provision, we will, there-
fore, take advantage of it, and refuse the payment of this
debt."—(Hear, hear.) Sir, that would be, as I have said,
conforming to the only interpretation of this treaty. Those
who have examined into the nature of national conventions—

:he highest authorities that we could consult with regard_ to the
Interpretation of Acts of Parliament, and the bearing of
.reaties those authorities who are usually con-

suited on those subjects, have told us that they
think that, according to the spirit of the arrange-

ment—according to the spirit of the conven' ion—this
sum ought to be paid.—( Hear, hear.) State it as favourably
as you can for the Hon. Gentleman's motion, it is even then a
doubtful point on which, if you wish to take advantage, you
may claim that advantage from the words inserted in that con-
vention. ' According to my opinion, you would be acting
against the spirit of that convention, in order to take advan-
tage of a plea which, in a court of law, may be urged against
that construction, but which in the communications between
nations must not be used. In the consideration of this question,

I think we should only lower our position—l think we should
only deprive ourselves of that advantage which we now have if
we were to reduce this question to a transaction of pounds,
shillings, and pence.—(Cheers.) I consider that in the late
transactions of Europe, although on more than one oc-
casion our wishes and opinions may not have been
complied with—our desires may not have been lis-
tened to—our protests may have been disregarded,
yet there does remain with us our moral strength,
which no power has been able to weaken, our national honour,
which no country has been able to tarnish.—( Great cheering.)
There are no treaties, either ancient or modern, in which it
can be imputed to England that she violated their spirit in
maintaining the letter of their laws.—(Cheers.) We are
ready in the face of Europe, however inconvenient some of
these settlements may be, to hold ourselves bound all our
engagements; to keep the fame, and the name, and the
honour of the Crown of England unsullied—(Cheers)—to
hold that unsullied honour as our brightest jewel, and to take
measures that it be not tarnished. With that sentiment, Sir,

if I should ask my Noble Friend to go to the Court of Russia,
and to say, " To be sure you have violated the treaty ; to be
sure you have extinguished an independent State ; we
have allowed this to be done ; you will have no breath of war
from England; we will not arm for the purpose of restoring
Cracow ; we will admit that State to be extinguished, we will
admit her inhabitants to be reduced to subjection, we will
them
admit that their land of freedom shall be lost to for ever;
but this we will do, we have a claim against you of some
thousands of pounds, which we shall throw upon your shoul-
ders, and we think that way we shall revenge ourselves on you
for the infraction of this convention." I say we shall be thus
using language which does not become the po.itlon which
England has hitherto held, and which she shall in future
hold in the eyes of the world.—(Cheers.) I a-k you
therefore having thus stated, as shortly as I could, my opinion
of this transaction, I ask yon not to come in this House of
Commons—which does not usually, without great provocation,
interfere in the foreign relations of this country—l ask you
not to come to any idle resolution, on which you do not intend
to act.—(Cheers.) I ask you not to lower this iluestion down
to a mere question of money. I ask you not to estimate how
much this Russian stock is worth in the market. I ask you to

allow, as this House has hitherto allowed by its silent ac-
quiescence, the protest which the Secretary of State for Foreign
Affairs has delivered, to remain in full force, as a declaration
on our part—a declaration which will have its full value, de-
pend upon it, with regard to future transactions, as showing that
we respect the faith of our treaties. Let us have it to say that
we have not studied only the interests of England in this mat-
ter—let us have it to say that we have looked to no interest,
either large or petty, concerning ourselves—let us lave it to
say that we have only regarded the great interests of Europe ;
that we have observed that that settlement which put an end
to a protracted, expansive, and bloody war—that that settle-
ment should remain in its full force and vigour —(Cheers. ) We
have declared that sentiment to the world, and we trust that
the reputation which this transaction will meet with in future,
will induce all powers, howevec disposed to violate treaties, to
consider that they may meet iri?tille deserved remonstrances
and protests of England, whose character shall stand before the
world untarnished by any act of ours. —(Cheers.)
Mr. MONCKTON MILNES moved the adjournment of
the debate. The Hon. Member trusted that the Noble Lord
would allow the debate to take precedence to-morrow.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said that as only two days in the
week were allowed for Government business, he hoped the
Hon. Gentleman would not ask him to give up to-morrow.
He did not think, however, that there was any motion of great
importance on the paper for Tuesday, and he would be very
willing to allow the adjourned debate to come on upon that day.
On the motion that the debate Le adjourned till this day
week,
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE expressed his surprise that the
Noble Lord should propose the adjournment till this day week,
when it had always been the custom of the Right Hon. Ba-
ronet opposite (Sir R. Peel) during last session when a de! ate
was adjourned to take it on the next night in preference to the
order of the day. The other night the Government had taken
the pains to prevent the formation of a House, and he thought
it would, on all accounts, be salvi,able to take the debate, for,
in his opinion, no question could be brought forward in which
the honour of the country was so much at stake than the prin-
ciple which was involved in the resolutions of his Honoura.,le
Friend.
Mr. M. MILNES could bear testimony to the fact, that the
Government had prevented the formation of a House when this
question should have been brought forward.
Dr. BOWRING asked whether there was any objection to
take the debate to-morrow, if the money was voted?
Lord G. BENTINCK said, that when this motion was
brought on, the Hon. Member himself was not in the House.
Mr. HUME said that it was trite that when the clock

struck four he was opposite the church—( A laugh)—bat he
himself coulti not make a House, and he hoped the Noble Lord
would allow the debate to come on to-morrow night, as he
wished to get the matter off his hands—(Laughter)—as he had
other things which required his attention.
Mr. FERRAND said that as the question was whether the
debate should be adjourned till this day (Friday) or this day
week, he would move the adjournment of the House instead.
Alter a few words from Mr. J. FIELDEN, deprecatory of
this resolution,

Sir It. PEEL said that on many accounts it was advisable to
continue the debate to-morrow, but as the Government hal
only two slays in the week to bring forward public m utiles, he
thought that it was but proper that a discretionary power should
b.; left in their hands to regulate the business of the House,
especially on their own nights. And this was the more
necessary, as they had now in hand great and important
measures, which largely affected the weltare of Ireland. Of
course if Government intended to bring forward its Irish
measure to-day, he should be quite ready to vote for the ad-
journment till Thursday next.
Mr. HUME said he should have no objection to adjourning

the debate till Tuesday next.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he had not any objection what-
ever to Tuesday. He hoped the Hon. Member would not
persist in the amendment, because it would bring the debate
to an irregular termination. He proposed to-day to take the
ordnance and navy estimates, and on Monday he should call
the attention of the House to a proposal of the Government
with regard to Ireland.
After a few words from Sir R. PEEL, who seemed to ob•
ject to the debate being adjourned to Tuesday.
Mr. FERRAND witkdrew his amendment.
Mr. T. DUNISOMBE said the Right Hon. Baronet the
Member for Tamworth had not answered his question, whether
while he was Minister the debate was adjourned as it was pro-
posed to adjourn this. Ministers were shirking from the
discussion of this question, but they ought not to shrink from
it because public opinion was in' favour of the first part of the
Noble Lord's speech, while he denied altogether the proposition
contained in the latter part of the Noble Lord's speech, that
the House ought not to come to any resolution upon the foreign
policy of the Government.
Sir AN DREW LEITd HAY considered that this was an
important question, connected not only with the finances of this
country, but with the liberties of Europe, and it was his im-
pression, that the sooner this debate was concluded the better.
Ile should, therefore, propose that the debate be resumed this
day (Friday).
Mr. DUNCOMBE seconded the amendment.
Strangers were then ordered to withdraw. No division,
however, took place, it having been arranged that the debate
should stand adjourned till Thursday .next.
FACTORIES BILL.
This Bill went through Committee pro forma.
The House resumed.
Mr. GREENE brought up the report, which was ordered
to be further considered on the Itttli of March.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
j House adjourned at Half-past Twelve.

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EXTENSIVE FIRE AT DEPTFORD
On Wednesday morning, between twelve and one
o'clock, information was received at the various fire
stations, that a dreadful fire was raging at Deptford.
The engines of the Brigade and West of England Com-
pany, with a strong body of firemen, were dispatched
thither •, and on their arrival two houses in Flagon. row,
Deptford, were on fire. One by that time (a clothier
and draper's) was entirely consumed. The firemen
exerted themselves to the utmost, but by two o'clock
both houses, with their contents, were reduced to a
heap of ruins. The origin of the fire was unknown. It
appears that some time after the inmates bad retired to
bed, a noise like the discharge of a gun was heard by
one of the neighbours, and almost instantaneously flames
shot through every aperture in the lower part of the
house. After a deal of trouble the inmates were
awakened, but they were unable to descend the stair-
case on account of the flames. A ladder having been
procured, they were rescued from the second floor with
nothing on but their night clothes. A youngi; plan,. at
great risk, forced his way into the burning
and snatched from the flames a coffin, nitaitiniilndgintghse
y deceased.
body of oue of Mr. Webb's childrenc,ornr)(lc,nt
over the
The flames at one period extended
entrance to Flagon-buildings, so
e,t
txh
c: the occu-
.tittenualleeßettlie‘..re,,ted by
piers were able to escape. '
this circumstance was truly ..inrea}:yintgh,e tfiltrce.ironbeoinnge
nearly a dozen families hemmed
hand, and a wall on the other: and the flames at the
same moment were travelling
-o
threaten-
ing destructio nto life and ,wn the place,
pipderty. The parties having
' s-t to wi-:.rl;, they hurled down the wall at the end of the
curt, and by that means they %lere enabled to escape.
The total damage is. very considerable, but Mr. Webb is
fortunately insured.

PAR L. AMEN-TAlfl E I r SS.
(From t - Votes and Proceedings of the House of Conansosu.)
THURSDAY, MARCH 4.

undernamed liailwav Bill was presented, read a first
ti;na, and ordered to be read a second time:—

Edinburgh and Northern (Improvement of the Ferry Le-
tween Perry Port on Cruig and the Northern Shore of the
River Tay)—" to enable the Edinburgh and Northern Rail-
way Corurany to improve the IFerry between Ferry Port on
Craig arm the North Shore of the River Tay."
The following Railway Bills were read a second time, com-
mitted, and referred to the Committee of Selection :
Edinburgh and Northern, and Edinburgh, Leith, and Gran..

• ton Amalgamation.
Great Northern (Deviations. between London and Grantham.)
Direct. London and Portsmouth, Brighton and Chichester,
London, Brighton, and South Coast, and London and

South-Western.
Newcastle and Berwick ( East Coast Line, Blyth, Seaton
- Sluice, and Other Branches).
York and North Alianid (Hull Station and Branches).
York and North Midland (llarr.)gate Bratich hx tension
and Terminus).
York and Newcastle (Wearmouth Dock Enlargement).
York and Newcastle, Newcastle and Berwick, and North
British Amalgamation.

STANDING 011DEIIS COMMITTEE.
The following Rebolutious :•ere reported iron the above
Committee:—

1. That in the case of the Falmottli Waterworks petition,
to insert the petition for the 3;11 on the list of petitions for
Private Bills, the standing orders ought to be dispensed
with :—That the petition be inserted accordingly.
2. That in the case of the Edinburgh and Northern Rail-
way (Branch fruni Burntisland Dunfermline Branch, &e.)
pAilion, the standing orders ought not to be dispensed with.
3. That in the case of the Tailgate and Chester and
Birkenhead Junction Railway petition, the standing orders
ought to be dispensed with :—That the parties be permitted
to proceed with their Bill.

4. That in the case of the Oxford, Worcester, and Wol-
verhampton Railway (No. I—Extension and Amendment)
petition, the standing orders ought to be dispensed with :
That the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill.
5. That in the case of the Eastern Counties Railway
( Branch from Stratford to the Victoria Park, &c.) petition,
the standing orders ought not to be dispensed with.
6. That in the case of the Axbolme Railway (from the
Leeds and Selby Railway to Gainsborough) petition, the
standing orders ought to be dispensed with:—That the
parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill.
7. That in the case of the Tyne Docks petition the stand-
ing orders ought to be dispensed with :—That the parties be
permitted to proceed with their Bill. _ _ _
_ _

8. That in 'the case of the Surrey and Kent Commission of
Sewers petition, the standing orders ought not to be dis-
pensed with.

9. That in the case of the Belfast Improvement petition,
the standing•orders ought to be dispensed with :—That the
parties be permitted to proceed with their BM.
10. That in the case of the Lough Neagh Drainage peti-
tion, the standing orders ought to be dispensed with :—That
the parties be permitted to proceed with their Bill.
11. That in the case of the Enfield and Edmonton Rail-
way Extension petition, the standing orders ought to be
dispensed with :—That the parties be permitted to proceed
with their Bill, with the exception of that part which enables
them to sell or lease the undertaking to the Great Northern,
or to the Eastern Counties Railway Company, and which
enables such Companies to purchase or accept a lease of the
same.

11 That in the case of the London Sewage Chemical
Manure petition, the standing orders ought to be dispensed
with:—That the parties be permitted to proceed with their
Bill, on forthwith depositing in the Court of Chancery such
a sum, in addition to one• twentieth part of three-fourths of
the amount of the estimate already deposited, as will make
the total sum deposited equal to three-fourths of the amount
subscribed.
13. That in the case of the Manchester, Birmingham, and
North Staffordshire Junction Railway petition, the standing
orders ought to be dispensed with :—That the parties be per-
mitted to proceed with their Bill, with the exception of that
part which confers powers on the London and North-Western
Railway Company, the North Staffordshire Railway Com-
pany, the Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midlands
Junction Railway Company, and the Sheffield, Ashton-
under.Lyne' and Manchester Railway Company.
That the Committees on the three preceding Bills do exa•
mine, in the first place, how far such orders have been com-
plied with 7 • and do report the same to the House on the re-
port of the Bill.

First, third, fourth, sixth, seventh, ninth, tenth, eleventh,
twelfth, and thirteenth resolutions agreed to.—Report to lie
on the table.

NOTICES GIVEN AT THE PRIVATE BILL-OFFICE.
The following Railway Bills are appointed to be read a
second time

MONDAY, MATCH 8.

Swansea Valley. _
Vale of Neath.
South Wales.
Ipawich iand Bury St. Edmund's (No. 4—Branch from
Stowmarket to Sudbury).
Edinburgh and Batbgate (Deviation and Amendment).
Waterford and Limerick.
Great North of India.
Birmingham and Oxford Junction, and Birmingham, Wol-
veihampton, and Dudley Railways Amalgamation.
Midland (Gloucester and Stonehouse Junction).
Midland (Cheltenham. Warwick, and Leamington Line).
Swansea and Amman Junction.
Dublin, Dundrum, and Rat hfarnham (Extension to Ste-
phen's -green ).
Leeds, Dewsbury, and Manchester (Ossett Branch and
Dewsbury and Morley Stations).