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TILE SUN, LONDON, TRURSI)AY MORNING, APRIL 29, 1847.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

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demundt d by a'sense of justice and mercy, and he had
received hp greatest encourgenaent from all parts of the
country in bringing it forward. He would not, theret.re,
withdraw it. He would submit to any fair proposition
for the amendment of the details, but he would entreat
the House to give its sanction to the Bill, and read it a
secorri time.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said he would vote
for the second reading of the Bill. His Right Hon.
Friend (Sir George Grey) did not oppose the principle
of the Bill ; all he wished was, time for the further
consideration of the details of the measure. He (the
Attorney-General) had great objection to many of
the details, which were principally objections referring
to omissions. By the vote he now gave be only
wished to be understood, as affirming the principle of
the Bill; and he hoped his Hon. Friend would Slept
the course of allowing the Bill to go up stairs, or to
withdraw it for the purpose of allowing time for the in-
troduction of a measure of a more comprehensive na-
ture.

HOUSE OF COMMONS. April 28.
The SPEAKER took the C air shortly atter Twelve
o'clock.

REPORTS.

The reports on the following Bills pare brought up
and agreed to :
Glasgow, Dumfries, and Carlisle Railway, and Glas-
gow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr llailway (No. 2.)
Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock, and Ayr Railway, and
Glasgow and Belfast Union Railway (No. 1).
Kingston upon Thames Small Tenements.
Lynn and Ely Railway (Extension to Spalding and
Holbeach).

just the reverse. Ile cmceived that they would he
I doing- a great injustice by not assessing; the poor, for
' they would prevent them in the rural districts from at-
tend;ng the vestry meetings. This Bill would prevent
parties rated under 61. from attending vestries.
Colonel T. WOOD said that thne was a clause pro-
posed in the Bill by vdtich all parties assessed might
attend at these vestries, _ _

Captain PECLIELL said that the Bill was, in his
opinion, a total disfranchisement of the poorer classes
of Parliamentary electors. They said that they were
going to provide properly 'for to,vi.s, and they knew that
it was absurd to attempt to legislate in that way for any
large towns such as Birmingham, Manchester, and Li-
verpool. He thought that there would be a great diffi-
culty in passing this Bill, unless some provision was
made for the election of guardians.
After a few words from Mr. CRIPPS,
Colonel SIBTHORPB said that there would be some
difficulty in the first place to discover the owners of
these small cottages, and where they did find them, as
their owners were poor people who did not get their
rents, it would be rather hard to call upon them to pay
the rates :trom their limited means. This was a ques-
tion which demanded as much consideration from the
House as the case of the occupier of these tenements. If
the rate was not paid within a certain time, the over-
seer had a right to distrain upon the occupier, and who i
in his turn had to look to the landlord for n•
damnification, by a redaction from the rent,
He thought that the cases of both owner and occupier
demanded equal consideration, and this Bill, worded as
it wad, instead of giving a relief to the poor occupier,
gave the power of disttaining upon him and oppressing
him.

Mr. HENLEY thought the measure did not ge
far enough. The question, in his opinisa, ought to be
taken up by the Government, and dealt with in a com-
prehensive manner. He disapproved entirely of a great
many of the details of the Bill, and if it was pressed to
a division, he should vote against it.
Mr. PACKS was in favour of the principle of the
Bill ; and, though he objected to many of the details, he
thought some measure of the kind was so necessary, that
he would consent to any postponement.
Mr. ADDERLEY said that the principle of separate
imprisonment was just gaining ground in this country;
but that principle could not be carried out with regard
to juvenile offenders, towards whom a system of corporal
punishment should be adopted. He did hope that the
Bill would be allowed to go to a second reading.
Mr. B. ESCOTT said that it was quite clear that
the present Bill would not pass during this ses-
sion. Even if the second reading were carried by
a division, it would be sent to a Committee
up-stairs, and then, like many others, it would
not be heard of until some better considered
measure was introduced to the attention of the House.—
(Hear, hear.) He hoped that the Honourable Baronet
would not go to a division, for they all felt that
something should be done ; but the present measure
would have the effect, it was agreed by all parties
in rendering matters worse than they were at the pre-
sent. He would vote against the measure.
Mr. ROBERT PALMER thanked his Hon Friend for
bringing the question under the consideration of the
House; he considered that the value of the article should
be taken as the criterion of the punishment to be in-
flicted on the offender. This he considered to be a valu-
able amendment. At present the stealing of an apple
subjected the offender to the same punishment as
the stealing of a more valuable article. There were
many provisions in the Bill of which he did not approve,
but he thought it would be a very desirable course to
send the measure to a Committee, who would have an
opportunity of examining into the question.
Mr. T. EGERTON said that ho would vote for the
second reading of the Bill, in order to its being sent to
a Select Committee; at the same time, he felt himself
bound to say that here wera many of the provisions
of the Bill to which he entertained the most decided
objection.
Mr. PROTHEROE said that if the question came to
a division, be would vote for the Right Hon. Baronet's
Bill, in order to recognise the principle of the measure,
but therere were many provisions to which he could by
DO means assent.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
For the Amendment
Against itl
II
Majority
The Bill was then read a second time, and ordered to be
committed.
RATING OF TENEMENTS BILL (No. 2).
Sir G. GREY moved the resumption of the debate on
this Bill. He said it was proposed to apply the Bill to
the whole country, and not exclusively to towns.
The Honourable Gentleman the Member for Stroud
(Mr. Poulett Scrope) had a Bill on the paper
(the Poor and Highway Rates Excemption Bill), which
professed to obtain the same object as the Rating of
Tenements Bill, but in a different way; but he (Sir G.
Grey) did not think it would answer the end for which
it was designed, and he therefore begged to intimate that
he could not support the second reading of his Bill.
Mr. B. OSBORNE said the Bill now before the House
had caused the greatest consternation among those per-
sons who, on the score of poverty, had been hitherto
exempted from the payment of rates, and therefore be
hoped the second reading of the Bill would not be agreed
to by the House, as it would call upon persons to pay
rates who were wholly unable to do so on account of
their poverty.
Mr. POULETT SCROPE objected to the Bill, on
the ground that it would entail great hardship 1
upon the poor. The present law was enacted in the
Seth year of George lIL, and invested magistrates with
the power of exempting persons from the payment of
rates who were unable to do so on account of their
poverty ; and thus • a vast proportion of the cot-
tage property of the country had been exempted
1110 BM w.,.. '
from the payment of rates ; but, if this Act were
• ould
heretofore com p compel
on their
the landlords
a passed,
higher
it
rentthan
com-
peloirmP
not devolve on the landlord, to pay a sum in addition to
his rent, though, perhaps, barely able to do that. A
vast number of petitions bad been presented from the
poorer parts of the kingdom in favour of his Bill, and
amongst them there were two from the county
with which he was connected —Wiltshire one
stated that the cottage property of the place formed one
twenty •secend part of the whole house property, and
that nearly all the cottages under 6/. were exempted
from the payment of rates. In Liverpool there were
40,000 cottages, 32,000 of which were exempted from the
payment of rates. The rates on the whole amounted to
about 100,0001. ayear, but not more than 70,0001. had been
collect, d during the last three years, showing that
30,0001. a 3 ear had been remitted on the cottage pro-
perty of Liverpool—(Hear, hear)—but, if this Bill were
passed, the occupiers of the cottages so exempted would
have to pay this 30,000/. But as the occupiers would
be unable to pay this additional tax, it would fall upon
the landlords, who were mostly small tradesmen,
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who had invested some of their savings in house pro-
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would suffer; and if mining, and other property was to be
exempted, he saw no reason why the poor man's cottage
should not be placed in a similar condition. Persons
who speculate in the building of improved houses for the
poor would be discouraged, and the poor would suffer.
Such speculations conferred a great benefit on society
by building cottages for the poor, because they supplied
the demand made by the poor for cottage accommodation,
but it any impediment were thrown in their way,
they would discontinue their speculations on account
of the improbability of obtaining adequate remuneration,
and the poor, as he had said, would suffer. No one
would lay out 1001. in cottage property, if he knew that
he would have this additional burden imposed upon him.
They would not do well to put a stop to the demand for
cottages, because the health of the poor was pro-
moted by a residence in them. They should also bear
in mind that the population was increasing at the
rate of 800 or 1,000 a day, and that the demand was
thus increased. The question, therefore, resolved itself
into this, whether they would throw an obstacle in the
way of the supply of that demand or not? If they
did rut a stop to it the poor, instead of being domiciled
in cottages, would be compelled to reside in single rooms
owing to the high rent. Whole families were
now crowded in single rooms in houses badly
drained and ill-ventilated, and immorality ill-health,
and physical deterioration were the natural results, and
it was, therefore, the duty of the House to promote in
every way in its power the giving of proper home ac-
commodation to the poor. He was perfectly aware of -
...,OTALMATERNITY SOCIETY.--The anniver-
the present mode of excusal—(Hear, hear)—and, there- eery dinner of this excellent society, which was instituted
fore, in his Bill he proposed carrying out the benevolent in the year 1757, takes place this, day, at the London
principles of the Act of George 111., and at the same time Tavern. Sir George Larpent, Bart., has consented to preside.
drawing a line of a different and more certain The object of this society is to secure proper medical attend-
nature between those who could and those who could ance for poor married women, at their own habitations,
not pay rates. At present both magistrates and parish during their accouchement ; and with a view of extending as
officers were put to great trouble and expense in en- much as possible the benefits of this excellent charity, the
deavouring to obtain the payment of rates, and the re- committee have extended the boundary line to the limits of
suit was frequently this:—that the magistrates owing to the town delivery of the General Post. A subscriber is en-
the poverty of the persons summoned, often refused to titled to eight recommendations for every guinea subscribed.
carry out the law, and that the money recovered' did We have no doubt but tbat the funds of the society will be
not pay the trouble and expenses—(Hear, hear)—the "'li''
RAlLWAYbenefited
A .... WEND AT BEE-
expense often being 6s. or 7s. for the recovery of 9d. wica.—The preliminaryD pArcocßeedingTllll for the commencement
or 10d. of this erection are now progressing, and the site on the
MEW RI PPS—The Honourable Member for Wycombe south side of the river is at present covered with workshops
bad said that this Bill caused a ferment through- and workmen. In the course of the excavations making in
out the country. He (Mr. Cripps) had pre- Ord fields on Monday, the skull, with so.ne other bones of a
seated twenty petitions in favour of this Bill. human body in a very complete state of preservation, was
He believed that the Bill would have an ef- turned up. As no trace of there ever having been a cemetery
feet quite different
from that which the Hon. Gen• here is on record, the discovery may be regarded by the
den= opposite apprehended. He denied that houses curious as somewhat strange.
,
under 51. a year should be exempted from taxation. He
THE LATE EXTENSIVE RonBERT AT THE LON-
had never heard from any one outside the House one
DON AND NORTH-WESTERN RAlLWAY.—Tuesdaythe
was
ectiott to this Bill,
sin le word of whichobjection he considered
robberyn numerous
roust
gparties charged with having been concerned in a
to be a mot called for and excellent measure. 7001. worth of goods. at the Camden-station of the o
London I
Mr. VERNON SMITH thought it would be better and North-Western Railway, the property of Messrs. Crow- '
for the House if Hon. Gentlemen would confine them- ley and Co., the well-known carriers. After the examina•
selves to the Bill before them. The Hon. Member for tion had been gone through, Mr. Phillips, the clerk, read
Stroud quite misunderstood the question, and he believed over the whole mass
ofaf d
the evidence which from time to time
that the speculators in cottages were anything but be- had been given ;
it was conclusive mwteore liberated, and Page,
nefactors to the poor, for a speculator would of course
whose
eutssetdemweilth whom he was mixed up the*
guilt of part of
build cottages as cheaply as possible, in order to evade the
e c
f accused
be properly secured, so that he mlati he affair him-
the payment of poor-rates. He denied that stock in ight of the prisoners Ybe forthcoming
Self,
the sessions. Bbeing committed for
trade was exempted, and he considered that the
principle of the Bill, namely, trial., that of charging the owner, YVTLD'II POPULAR ATLAS OF THE W
ORLD No
went to the foundation of the evils that at present ex-
2.—The present numbercontains achart of the w trld * *
isted, and it was a principle that he would wish to see catur's projection, and a map of Ireland, showingl'on2lteiri;
extended. His only objection was, that which was principal cross•roads—each map is accompanied bv a folio
urged by his Hon. Friend the Secretary of State for the sheet of descriptive letter-press. As works of art, these maps
Home Department, namely, that there was a Committee are exceedingly beautiful, and the name of Mr. James Wyld
sitting up stairs on the law of settlement. is a sufficient voucher of their accuracy.
Colonel acc -
y,
Colonel WOOL) was surprised to hear stated by her EXTENSIVE ROBBERY BY A CONFIDENTIAL CLERK.
tion
Majesty's Government the grounds on which they —On Tuesday is erm_a_a.. was received that the managing
were opposed to the Bill. There was sufficient evi clerk of the North bl,.ii Distillery, Cork, had absconded
of 400/., the property of his deuce of overseers and other functionaries on this with
upwa"r4lford. lie had been clerk employers, Messrs.
subject to show the evils the t existed at pre- W.ise and t,i
at Tralee, dand manager of the
spirit establishment . and is well known to every
sent, and which this measure would remedy. (The ;
soldier who has been stationed in Tralee Barracks for the la
Honourable Gentleman read an extract from the !
six years. He is accompanied by his wife, and they are st
be-
report of the Commissioners of local taxation, com- ; lieved to have gone to Liverpool, for the purpose of emi-
piatning of the present mode of assessment.) In the case grating to the United States.
of Merthyr Tydvil there were 8,000 cottages under IMPORTANT DECISION TO SCHOOLMASTERS. 111
6/. a year. Now, if the occupier was the owner of the the Brompton County Court on Monday, a schoolmaster,
cottage, he was charged according to the rating, but : residing in Pimlico, sought to recover the sum of 21. 3s. 11d,
if he was not, then he was exempted. He the balance of an account for tuition, stationery, firing, &c.
hoped that the Government would not pre vent the House ' The defendant, Mr. Battin, who is chief foreman to Mr.
from Loing ire° Committee upon this Bill. Freaks, the eminent builder, objected to the payment of it
the stationery and •
Captain PECHELL said, that he aiways understood on the ground that firing ought not to
I and cont
same
that the object of the House meeting on Wednesdays have been include!.
n for theen therefore, that he was
was, that they might calmly discuss measures which not justified in pay g .'d ; but the plaintiff being
d with sato ac Y 1 ence to Learnthat such they might might not be able to enter upon at another time. prepare
He was somewhat surprised that the Gallant Colonel rate
charges were usualli made, the a Judgeadjudgedhim to over-
lin to pay the whole
who had just sat down bad not spok, n with his usual ruled the objection,
calmness. He had told the House that the Act had Among the persons of distinction who on Tuesday
railed in Liverpool through the corruptness of the visited the model of the statue of " Venus -
by Mr.
overseers, who wished to overweigh the democratic J. H. Nelson, nos exhibiting at the Egip t: attiring,"lanHalt, was the
influence.—(Sear, hear.) He thought that it wee Right Hog. H. Laboucterel Secretary or Ireland.

Mr. BUCK said that, in the case of larr,e towns in
agricultural districts, where people invested large
amounts of capital in business, ;he agricultural had to
pay for the parts of the district occupied by the esta-
blishments of manufacture. He thought the pre-
sent system of rating wholly inefficient, and he should
therefore give his fullest support to the Bill of the
Hon, Member.
Mr. GRIMSDITCH said that this Bill would inflict
a very Deriona injury upon the poor; for the landlord of
a house was liable tor the rate, whether the House was
occupied or not. In times of distress the rent could not
be collected,' and under this Bill the landlord had not
only to be at the loss of his rent, but to pa)
the rate also. That they might not be able in many
instances to do, and thus many poor people would be
driven from the only place where they could obtain
shelter. On these grounds he should vote against the
second reading of this Bill.
Mr. HENLEY wished to state the reasons which
would induce him to vote against this Bill. It was a
subversion of the present system of rating in this
country with respect to the poor man. The poor man,
under the present law, was, by consent, struck off the
list altogether; but now he was to be compelled to pay
it. Such a pressure could not be sustained by the poorer
classes, and therefore he should oppose the Bill.
Mr. ALLIX said, if the Bill did the slightest harm
he would not support it ; but he did not believe that it
would have an injurious effect.—(Cries of " Divide.")
Mr. CAREW supported the Bid.
Sir JOHN PAKINGTON was opposed to it, and
believed it would effect very great injustice, as it would
increase the difficulties of the labouring poor in pro-
cueing cottages.
Mr. PACKEsupported the Bill, and believed it would
have a most beneficial effect.

Mr. HUDSON objected to the Bill, on the ground of
its impolicy and injustice. It was said to be a measure
which would hare a good Effect towards the poor. but he
disagreed in that opinion, and thought it would operate
most injuriously in their regard.

Mr. BROTHERTON thought it would be best to
postpone the measure for the present.
Mr. STANSFIELD thought, if this measure passed
it would be a disfranchisement of the rights of the poor,
and on that account he would give it his most decided
opposition.
Mr. WODEHOUSE would support the second read-
ing, as he thought the case in regard to the poor was
proved; still he thought, from other considerations, that
the Bill could go no further than that stage.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL thought, from the
great difficulties which would accompany the working of
the Bill that it would be found to operate in certain cases
most prejudicially. He would therefore feel bound to
oppose it, should it be pressed to a division.
Mr. BANKES thought it should be a general Bill,
but rather than that any mutilation should take place,
he would support the second reading.
The House then divided, when there appeared—
" Tor the second reading 7l
Against it
Majority ----- —lB

Tho Bill was consequently lost.
TENANT RIGHT BILL (IRELAND).
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD moved the second
reading of the Tenant Right Bill. He had received an
intimation that the Government could not pledge them-
selves to bring in a Bill upon the subject. The House
had repeatedly confirmed the principle of the Bill, and
he would therefore simply move the second reading of
the Bill.

Mr. BERNAL OSBORNE said that he would not
interpose between the Hon. Gentleman and the House,
the Bill contained some provisions which struck at the
root of all property. He was one of those who formerly
thought that the landlords of Ireland ought to be a pro-
scribed class.—(Laughter.) He confessed such were
his opinions while he was in the state of ignorance which
most of the Members of the House were in with respect to
the state of Ireland. But two years' residence in
that country, had convinced him that instead of their
censure the landlords deserved their sympathy —(Hear,
hear.) He had tenants in the south of Ireland who
were accustomed to owe him three and four years rent,
whom he was constantly obliged to forgive the whole
amount to. and give them 401. or 501 to get rid of them.
quietly. He did not know what better tenant right
they desired. He would not oppose the second reading
if the Government would pledge themselves not to sane
tion Or) passing of the Bill.
Mr. MONALIAN said that all the Members of the
Government were unavoidably absent, and Iw, therefore,
requested the Hon. Member to postpone his !potion.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD postponed the Bill until Wed-
nesday next.

POOR AND HIGH WAYS RATES. This Bill was also postponed till Wednesday next.
COUNTY BUILDINGS' BILL.
This Bill was read a second time.:
The House then adjourned.

________ ___
BOYS APPRENTICED.
Abstract from the Register-General of Shipping,
showing the number of Boys apprenticed from the Ist
five
years, six years,
day of January to the 31st day of December, 1846 ; for
three s ears, four years
and total number : , seven years,
Apprentices indentured for Three years ... 107
Ditto ditto Four years ... 6,526
Ditto ditto Five years ... 2,558
Ditto ditto Six years ••• 757
Ditto ditto { Seven years and 1
428
upwards ...

10.376
Registerj and.ii BROWN,
Record Office of Seamen, Custom House,
London, 15 April, 1847. Registrar.
General

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REGISTRY of BIRTHS and DEATHS
DURING THE WEEK ENDING APRIL 24.
Deaths registered in the week. Births registered in the week.
Males ... 602 Males 718
Females ... 479 Females ... 699

Total . 8-1

Total ... 1,417

RA I LINA Y COM '4l ITTEES:)i

HOUSE OF COMMONS.-(YESTERDAY).
GROUP I.

The Select Committee appointed to consider the merits of
the Bills comprised in this group, re-assembled this morning
at the usual hour in Room 30; ➢ir. W. 0. Stanley in the
chair.

,(f+--1 lu-xy lition to traders by water at Brent-
ford. The gradients were generally easy. The total knoll,
inclusive of the branches, was 17 miles, and the estimated
cost 500,0001.
Witnesses were then called for thi) opponents of the line.
The Committee then adjourned till twelve to-morrow.

GROUP XXX 11.
EASTERN COUNTIES (SPAEDXNG AND

THE SOUTH-EASTERN NORTH XENT AND

MID KENT LINES.
The entire day was occupied in disposing of the clauses in
these Bills. The whole of the clauses were agreed to, and
the Chairman was directed to report to the House accord-
ingly.
This closed the labours of the Committee. The Commit-
tee met for the first time on the 11th of March.

G ROUP VI.
SALISBURY AND YEOVIL, AND EXETER,

Inoovu., AND DORCHESTER*
Evidence in favour of these lines was received this
morning.

The first witness called was Mr. Higgins, of Collington,
who gave it as his opinion that the construction of a com-
peting line with the Great Western Railway would tend to
a reduction of the fares, from the effects of which the inha-
bitants of Collington would reap their proportion of benefit.
Mr. I'. Avery, merchant, of Honiton, and Mr. Lee, of Hin-
ton, also gave evidence in favour of the line.
Mr. Ford, carrier, gave evidence in favour of the advan-
tages to be derived from a through competing line to Exeter.
l'he Committee then adjourned till twelve o'clock to-
morrow.

GROUP IX.
WEST CORNWALL (ZIRANCHES AND

IMPROVEMENT). ----
Tbis Committee met to-day at twelve o'clock, but imme-
(lia,ely afterwards adjourned, on account of a report of the
Admiralty having been received against the mode proposed
tor croring the river Hoyle. The adjournment was agreed
to, in order that the promoters might be able to communi-
cate with the Admiralty, to obtain, if possible, some modifi-
cation of their decision.

GROUP XVI.
STOVE VALLEY (No. XX.)

WISBECH EXTENSION).

The Committee met this day in Room No. 32; Mr. Card-
well in the chair. _ . _

The Committee met in Room 23 ; Sir J. Graham, chairman.

The whole day was occupied in hearing general evidence
in favour of the Bill. There was no point raised of general
interest.
The Committee adjourned at four o'clock.

Mr. Bailey, M.P. for Herefordshire, gave evidence in
favour of the Stour Valley Railway, on the ground that the
competition between that line and the lines promoted by the
Birmingham, Wolverhampton, and Dudley Railway would
be of great public advantage.
Rev. R. B. Horne, Vicar of Halesowen, stated that the
population of Halesow en amounted to about 20,000 souls,
the greater portion of which were engaged in milling, glass,
and iron works; and it was his opinion that the line pro
moted by the Stour Valley Company would be the only one
which would afford adsquate accommodation to the inhabi-
tants of that town, and to the whole of the district between
Dudley and Worcester.
Other evidence of a general nature was given in favour of
this line, and the Committee adjourned till twelve o'clock to-
morrow.

GROUP XXVIII.
EASTERN COUNTIES (SPALDING TO

NEWARK).

The Committee on this group—Mr. T. 11. Acland in the
chair, with Lord Edwin 11111, the Earl cf March, Captain
Hari., and Sir Ralph Lopez —met,thisanorning in Room 24.
The Committee was occupied during the whole of the
day in receiving evidence in opposition4o the Bill from the
landowners against the line, showing the local inconveniencvs
it would occasion.

GROUP XVIII.
czcziawririutin AND OXFORD.

GROUP XXXI If.
LEEDS CENTRAL.
This Committee met to-day t'iwelve o'clock; Mr. W. H
Hope in the chair.

Aft, r hearing some farther evidence against the Biil on
behalf of the Leeds and Bradford Railway Company the case
closed.

The Committee on this group—Captain Jones, Mr. Smyth,
Sir Walter James, Mr. M. J. O'Connell, with the Earl of
Lincoln in the chair—met this morning at:twelve o'clock, and
Mr. BURKE called Mr. Hawkeshaw, who stated that he
had had great experience in the construction of railways in
different parts of the country, and that he had walked over
the line of the Cheltenham and Oxford Railway in the neigh-
bourhood of Cheltenham. He had examined the whole of the
strata in that district, and was well acqm.inted with the flow of
the water in the course of the railway, and was satisfied that
no inconvenience whatever would be felt during the construc-
tion of the works. He also beleved that no difficulty would
occur in the working of a gradient of one in trixty, for it is
done every day. There is a steeper gradient on the Man-
chester and Leeds Railway, which is supposed to have the
greatest traffic of any line in the kingdom ; and at the Easton-
square station of the London and Birmingham Railway
the line rises on a gradient of one in sixty-six. He had him-
self gone up the gradient on the Birmingham and Gloucester
line, which was one in sixty, with a train of sixty tons, at the
rate of thirty .five miles an hour, and with a train of a hun-
dred tons, at the velocity of twenty-five miles an hour; so
that he conceived there would be no difficulty in the Chel-
tenham and Oxford line. _ _

To Mr. ALEXANOEIti cross-examination, Mr. Hawkesbaw
replied that he had made his examination of the strata at
Cheltenham on Saturday and Sunday last, examining the
plans and sections on Saturday, and going over the ground
next day, in which he was occupied for four hours. Several 1
pits had been dug, both by the order of Mr. Stephenson and
Mr. Brunel. From the levels of the water in these pits he
had ascertained the tendency of the water in the strata, and
he was satisfied that the works of the railway would not at
all exhaust the water in the wells on either side of the course,
although to the extent of a hundred and ffi;y, or, as Mr.
Milne conceived, to the extent of two hundred yards on
each side. There were two modes of obviating the difficulty,
one—the longer—by inserting the culverts, which would oc-
casion some little inconvenience; and the other, by building
the walls first, which would be a shorter plan so far as the wells
are concerned, but which would draw the water from them
to a mach larger extent. The time, however, occupied would
not be longer, even on the more protracted system, than six
weeks; for he had himself executed a much larger work in
that period. There was a canal which had proved from its
depth and width inconvenient for the traffic which came
upon it, and it was conceived necessary to use boats of twelve
feet beam, and drawing four feet and a half of water. In
order to adapt the canal for such vessels it required
to be both deepened and widened for a length of
sixteen miles. The canal was closed for five weeks,
and during that time the water was all drawn off, the puddle
taken out, the canal widened to the requisite extent, the
locks taken down and rebuilt, and walling of stone to the
length of several miles erected t• protect the banks, the
water was again let on, and the canal was in use. A portion
of this cutting only passed through the wet clay, where there
was the flow of water, and he did not conceive that any
diffictlty would arise on that account, or that the
substantiality of the works would in any way be affected
by that circumstance. for he had himself about a year and a
half ago built a chimney a hundred and fifty feet high, of
brick, near Bolton-le-Mo .rs, on a quirk sand. In tact it
would be considered a matter of no difficulty whateve...
The Earl of LINCOLN observed that the Great Victoria
Tower, at the Houses of Parliament, was built on the wettest
sand he ever saw.

To Sir WALTER. Jess, the witness replied that the work
was of such a nature as to enable the contractor to put •
great number of men on at once, so that he believed the
work would be half executed in the time that was taken in
talking about it.
To Mr. BURKE, on re-examination, Mr. Hawkeshaw re-
plied that the inverted tiles were not likely to choke,
although they wire laid upon wet sand, and if such a cir-
cumstance did occur it was easy to make a drain to relieve
them. With respect to the wells, they might be affected to
some extent, and a compensation could easily be made, and
even during the constriction of the works a supply of water
for the inhabitants might readily be obtained.
Mr. Simpson, a civil engineer, chiefly connected with
waterworks, and who has much to do with the waterworks
in London, stated that he bad examined the strata of
the sand hed of Cheltenham personally, and had not the
slightest doubt as to the facility with which the water
would be directed into its usual course even during the
construction of the works. There was certainly some
running sand, but the wet sand was agglutinated to some
extent by clay and other surreptitious matters.
To Mr. ALEXANDER, the witness replied that be had
known Cheltenham for some years, but bad only examined
thestrata particularly during his professional visits, and be-
lieved that no permanent inconvenience would arise, although
the wells might be affected during the construction of the
works, but they would regain their original level within
a month after they were finished. The inverts he should lay
upon a flat tile; deemed that quite a sufficient foundation for
the purpose. The retaining walls are to be of 3i brickwork,
laid in cement and hydraulic mortar, a substance which had
of late years been much used by civil engineers in the
formation of waterworks. The prices for the several
portions of the work were, in his opinion, very hand-
some; they were to be Is. 6d. per cubic yard
for excavation, 255. for brickwork, and 35a. a yard for
brickwork in cement. In the event of the water coming
in, he would keep it down by sheet-piling; and
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Atter a conversation respectin•_ certain clauses that would
be necessary to regulate the crossing of streets, which would
be necessary if the Bill passed, the preamble was postponed
till the Railway Cotnintssioners' report was received.
The case on behalf of the Leeds Central Terminus having
closed, the
LEEDS, DEWSBURY, AND MANCIILSTEN,
(EXTENSION TO WAKEFIELD, &c.)
was proceeded with.
Mr. BAINES opened the case in a brief address.
The remainder of the sitting was occupied with general
evidence, alleging the superiority of this scheme over the
other competing schemes i❑ the group.
The Committee then adjourned.

GI OUP XXXIV.
The Select Committee appointed to consider the mrrit, of
the Bills comprised in this group re-assembled at the usual
hour this morning; Mr. Baring in the chair.

ROCHDALE CANAL (SALE TO MANCHES-
TER AND LEEDS RAILWAY).
The whole of the day was occupied with general
evidence in favour of this sale. The evidence went to show,
that the affairs of the canal, which had involved an outlay of
upwards of 780,0001., were in a very• depressed condition, and
it would, therefore, be for the interest of the proprietors of
the canal, as well as the public, that this sale should be
effected.

Mr. BMIES addressed the Committee for the opponents of
the measure at some length, contending that the railway
company were anxious to make a tool of the canal, and sa-
crifice the interest of the public.
The Committee then adjourned.

GROUP XL-VIM
This Committee resumed its sitting this morning at twelve
o'clock; Lord Courtenay in the chair. Members present—
Mr. Tow neley, Mr. Chute,lMr. Seymeland Mr. B. B. Cabbell.
GLASGOW, PAISLEY. azzavreauti 0 CZ' AND
Alrlit. (No. TIT.)
CROSSING OF THE CLYDE.
On the assembling of the parties,
Mr. ANDREW. said, it was his painful duty to inform the
Committee that his clients had received a communication from
the Admiralty, which he begged leave to band to the Commit-
tee. The effect of it was equally against both companies that
were seeking to cross the Clyde at the point proposed, as it
contained; the decision of the Admiralty against any crossing
of the river at the place proposed by both companies.
What, therefore, he wanted the Committee to do was,, to
adjourn the Bills that related to the crossing of the Clyde
till Monday, in order that further communication might be
made with the Admiralty, to see if an alteration of that
decision could not be obtained. The Royal Commissioners,
who had been sent down to inquire into the subject, had
reported strongly in favour of the proposed plan, and
that no injury to the river would arise thereon; it war,
therefore, to be hoped that some modification of the Admi-
ralty's decision would be obtained before meeting again.
Mr. FORSYTH, on behalf of the River Clyde and Bridge
trustees, opposed the adjournment.
Mr. Cocxnunst, on behalf of the Caledonian Com-
pany, said that though his clients had not received any
communication from the Admiralty, they did not expect a
different decision f..om the one which had just been
produced by his Leatned Friend.. He must, how-
ever, say that it was an unexpected decision. Last year
the Caledonian had obtained an Act for the crossing of the
river, subject to the approval of the Admiralty; this the
Admiralty refused, and the result was that the inhabitcnta
of Glasgow, dissatisfied with this decision, took measures by
which Government Commissioners were sent down to inves-
tigate the whole matter. They sat three weeks making their
inquiries, and made their report in favour of the mode of
crossing proposed by the Caledonian Company. The ques-
tion now was, whether the veto of the Admiralty was to
override; the discretion of that Committee and the Le,-;isle- '
ture in reference to this matter.
The CNAIRMAN inquired whether the Admiralty, in cases
like the preseltt,ldid not communicate to the Committee their
decision?
Mr. ANDnEws—lt is, I believe, always done through the
pal ti, who promote the Bill.
Mr. COCKBURN thought that if the Committee acted on
the 0. zision of the Admiralty it would be idle to
proceed until they saw what could be dor e
to modify that decision. If the Committee, on
the other hand, thought that the report of the Commissioners
should modify the veto of the Admiralty, the) it would be
better to proceed at once. It was a question ent; rely for the
Committee, and he left it to their discretion. Ile would only
remark that they had all their witnesses in town, and if they
adjourned for a week or ten days, it would occasion great
expense and inconvenience.
Mr. AwnaEws said the veto was a most important matte
as by the general Act the Admiralty could veto is alt such
cases es the present.
Mr. COCKBURN suggested that it would be easy to a
clause in the Bill to except it from the operation of the general
Act. The question would be for the Committee to say
whether they were disposed to adopt a clause, taking the Bill
for the crossing of the Clyde out of the operation of the
general Act.

Mr. Azmazwr, intimated that all .he wanted was an ad-
journment till A:onday. Their schema was somewhat dif-
thrent to that of the Caledonian, inasmuch as it pro-
ceeded from their line up the south side of the river, and then
crossed; whereas the other scheme was proposed to go in a
direct line to the river, and them to cross. The question
was, whether the Committee would go on or postpone the
matter to see what could be further done, as at present the
veto of the Admiralty was against a crossing of the river
below Stockwell Bridge.
. _

Mr. FORSYTH said his clients had opposed this crossing of
the river at great expense, and they were anxious not to
be put to any more. For the three past years the proposal
for crossiug the Clyde bad been successively vetoed. He
hoped, therefore, the Committee would not allow the parties
to proceed with their Bill, unless with the proviso, that if
the Admiralty vetoed the crossing of the river, they
would nevertheless go on with the rest of their
scheme. He, for one, thought it was perfectly
hopelees to get the Admiralty to withdraw their
veto, and it might, therefore, be considered absolute.
He could not be a party to needless loss and heavy expenses
by adjournment, as he thought the promoters ought to have
ascertained the sentiments of the Admiralty long before now,
instead of coming forward with it at the eleventh hour.
They knew that the Admiralty had opposed the crossing for
two years past, and it was too bad now to call for an adjourn•
ment of the question. He called on the promoters of the
two Bills to make their election now—either to go on with
the rest uf their scheme without the crossing, or abandon it
altogether.

Mr. ALEXMIDEZ expressed his sense of the kindness, but
begged to decline the invitation.
Mr. Cubitt stated that he had had forty years' experience
as a civil engineer. He could confirm the previous testi-
mony as to the goodness of the prices proposed for the work
of this excavation and also that which had been stated with
regard to the facility with which the work could be executed.
In order to show the nature of the strata, Mr. Cubitt pro-
duced two specimens of the sand taken from two streets in
Cheltenham, one a remarkably fine dry sand, and the other
a coarser sand. mixed with small pieeea of stony clay. He
believed the work could not be done in one month, but it
might be completed, he believed, in two; and, in his opinion,
the draught of the water from the wells would only be a
temporary inconvenience, lasting for a short time.
Several engineers from Cheltenham, who are intimately
acquainted with the district, confirmed the previous testi-
mony.
Mr. Ball, a land valuer, stated that he estimated the value
of property to be taken at 164,6911.—that in Cheltenham
alone being 85,0001. The quantity of land required is 144
acres.

In answer to the CHAIRMAN,
Mr. ANDREWS said, the former vetoes of the Admiralty
did not apply to the present mode of crossing the Clyde,
with the exception of the decision of last year. The pro-
posal of last year, as of the present one, was to cross the
Clyde between the New Glasgow-bridge and Stock-
well-bridge. Above the former bridge only small
vessels ever went, and, therefore, no harm would
arise to the navigation by th 4 proposed scheme.
Besides, in the present year they were in a different position
to what they were last, inasmuch as three gentlemen of
great character and talent, one of them a naval officer, had
gone down to Glasgow, and after being fully satisfied, by
evidence taken on the spot, reported that no injury would be
done by crossing at the point proposed. •
The room was then cleared for the decision of the Com-
mittee. On the readmission of the parties,
The CaasnxtApr said that the Committee had agreed to
postpone the question till Monday next, in order that the
Admiralty might be communicated with ; and that to-
morrow they would take the other Bills in the group that
were in a position to go on.
The Committee then adjourned.

Mr. Saunders was recalled to state the difference of the
fares in favour of the Great Western Company.
This closed the case for the promoters, and it was agreed
that Mr. Alexander should open the case of the landowners,
for whom he appeared, to-morrow.
The Committee then adjourned.

GROUP LI.
The Committee assembled this morning in Room No. 29.
Present, Sir John Yarde Buller (chairman), Mr. Tollemache,
Captain Plumridge, Mr. Newdegate, and Lord John Manners.
GLASGOW, DUMFRIES, AND CARLISLE,
AND GLASGOW, PAISLEY, NICILM.A.R-
NOCK, AND AYR (No. I.)
Additional evidence was called by the promoters of this
Bill.

GROUP XXI.

EASTERN COUNTIES EXTENSION (BERT.-

WORD AND NITCNIN.)
M. A. Bathwick, Esq., engineer to the company, was ex-
amined this morning at considerable length.
Evidence was given on the part of some Mr. Smith, and
other landowners, in apposition to this line.
The Committee then adjourned till twelve to-morrow.

Mr. Alexander, examined by Sir T. Pmlairs, was called
to prove the protest which was put in by the promoters.
Mr. Sergeant MURPXY wished to knew whether he should
be entitled to examine the witness on this subject?
Sir THOMAS PHILLIrs said he did not intend to examine
upon the point.
The CHAIRMAN then said that as the Committee had called
for this protest, and as the examining Counsel did not desire
to examine upon it, he thought that it would be unnecessary
for Sergeant Murphy to ask any question on the subject.
The protest was then read, and put in.
Captain Turner, shipmaster, Dumfries, was ship's hus-
band of the vessels in which hei had an interest. He was
_
well acquainted with the coast and with the navigation
rare
f of
the Solway. The loss of vessels was not by any means
in the Frith ; within the last two or three years no less than
six vessels were lost on the coast or on the Solway. He re-
membered the loss of the Solway steamer, which was bound
from Belfast to Port Carlisle. He imported from
the English coal fields 1,200 to 1,500 tons yearly.
It cost es. 6d. at Carlisle, and, with Is. 6d. for
carriage, averaged 10s. in Dumfries. The price
at Belfast was some 17s. per ton; and the saving, it Kirkcud-
bright were a port of shipment to the people of Belfast,
would be about Bs., as compared with the port of Annan at
that time.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant MURPHT—IIe had
never known any shipment from Kirkcudbright to Ireland,
There was a large trade from Annan. The trade
of Dum.-
fries was larger, although Annan possessed a deeper
river, and
could therefore accommodate vessels of larger
buden. He did
not say that the Solway was lost in fog, but he believed
that she was crowded with cattle.
She was lost at a place
called Southerness, about 16 miles below Dumfries. The
freight from Port Carlisle to Ireland was is. 6d. He could
not doubt that if a railway were extended from Canobie to
Annan, the carriage of coals tp this place would be less by
3s. 4d. per ton than to Rirkludbright, but then the latter
place had the advantage in the sea carriage to Ireland. He
knew that at low water ships would be obliged to anchor six
miles from shore. He did net know that Lord Selkirk, whose
grounds lay between the sea and the town, was opposed to
railways.
Mr. Henry Smith, living at Fleetwood,
and agent for the North Lancashire Steam Navigation merchant,
C
WAS a memnt
;Any, and was well acquainted ivit4 the ports on the Solway.
The navigation of the Solway Frith was more dangerous
than any on the west coast of England. He included the
- porta of Carlisle, ILIUM, sad Dumfnes- • Goods entering the

Frith, and intended for Carlisle, wet obli.m-d to be
transhipped and ronveyed up the river in barges. Annan
ww; a dangerous port for shipping. He did not mean Annus
itself, but a place called tne Waterfoot, about a couple
of miles below. Glencaple was the port of Dumfries, and
Passengers and goods were obliged to be conveyed from
thenceN to Dumfries, a distance of seven or eight miles
5% hen the tide was very low, which occurred perhaps thrice
_zseeaT,,, they could not approach Dumfries nearer than
U. h rn, a place about fifteen miles down the river. The
witness detailed the number of communications front
Fleetwood to
~,ivirredvvcFalseteiter,w,o.aosd 'to Belfast. The distance from
perhaps 200 miles by rail, while
from Kirkcudbright
Newcastle
little more than 100. Goods
sent from Belfastto
to•castle and the east of England at
present went round Glasgow, thence by railway to
Leith ;there were re-shipped
He considered that iPicland reached Newcastle by sea.
protect the public competitionag-aistral was absolutely necessary to
in proof of this came nude; 719' companies. An instance
notice. When only two
companies were carrying from Fleetwoodsi to Manchester the
prices charged for carriage was as
into
130 s. 4d. per ton ; but, after
eonsidit ch:esttchl,
:enmittfi:;te:iltrdit,,si tt(l);.:l,,cieri idcpeezpi :I);
the North Union Rallway
reduced to Gs., while attention to
was greatly increased. He
the highest importance that this Bill e sar.c,ioned.
Cross-examined by Mr. S -rgc-ant AI t: itii
opinion that Kirkcudbright, it this raii„.,3. ~,,I.Y —l' was his
would be the port f•tr the traffic of lretaed i re cumPleted'
ritende,l f.r the
south ef Scotland. There %%ere some goo.i p.:rts on the Circle,
but none of these would supersede the port. Gt Kit Iteudbii.ii
as the key to the south of Scotland. Gii-vau would
not he preferred, for persons would never think of sending
their goals round by Ayr. He Ilia tio: know that goods
were sent to the south of Scotland in greater increase
since the I, inci.st er and Carlisle bail vvl:3- had been opened.

Return goods front Kirkcudbright w0w...1 cotisist of wuoilen
goods manufactwed ni tl.e Oiutrici,. The only parts which
had a! prey-Tit a coloutuniclon irel,;nd «ere Port Car-
lisle and Annan, and if the Kirkcudbright Bunch wero
opened he conceived that, instead of ,tie steamer, they would
have three. If goods were to be seat from Kirkcudbright to
the centre or west of England, they would probably be trans-
mitted by the Caledonian to Carlisle, and thence by the
direct lines to the west and centre—that was, supposing the
rates alike; but, for the east of England, he thought they
would be sent by the Dumfries branch to Milton, and thence
on by the Newcastle and Carlisle.
Captain Russell, harboar-master of the port of Belfast,
said that there was a very considerable import trade from
Newcastle to Belfast. The freight would be carried at 20s.
a ton. If this branch to Kirkcudbright were opened, he
thought that the southern trade would be exported from that
port, which would be preferred by steatip_rs on account of its
greater safety..

Cros-exainined by Mr Sergeant AII:RPHY—He would
prefer Kirkcudbright as a sailing port before Annan.
By the CHAIRMAN—He would rather accept a ss. freight
from Kirkcudbright in preference to a 7s. 6u. freight from
Annan

By Mr. Sergeant MURPHY—The distance from Belfast to
Girvan was, perhaps, 52 miles, and to Kirkcudbright about
70. There was a great choice of ports accessible at all times
on the coast of Ayr. He preferred Lock Ryan to Kirkcud-
bright.

Sir. John Leatham, flax-spinner, Londonderry, said that
the population of that town was 20,000. It had a large and
increasing trade, and the exports and imports would be ex.
tended by the formation of the railways which were now in
process. The exports from Derry in the last year were in
corn, 22,000 tons; flax, 4,000 tons ; eggs, 14,459 boxes;
pigs, 16,379 ; butter, 75,000 casks. The trade of Belfast
was greater than that of Londonderry, but he did not think
that the exports were so great. They had a considerable
import trade. Newcastle sent them coal, coke, machinery,
glass, salt, soda, and other articles, and received in return
corn, provisiout,, and flax.
Mr. Sergeant MURPHY said that he was as much interested
in the traffic as the other side was, and, therefore, he thought
it would be unfair to take up the time of the Committee by
cross-examining upon this point.
Sir TnontAs Pirmurs said that, provided they were not
afterwards met by the other side with the argument, that
they had not shown an equal amount of traffic with theirs,
he would be quite willing to drop further examination on
this point.

The Committee suggested that he should confine himself
to a few agricultural witnesses.
Mr. Kennedy, of Kirkland, was called—He had property
in Roxburgh and Kirkcudbrightshires, and leased properties
in the counties of Dumfries, Kirkcudbright, Ross, Suther-
land, Argyle, and Inverness. He paid a rental
for these lands of some 6,000/. per annum ; he paid in addi-
tion for wintering stock 2,0001. He understood that the
extent of land leased by him was 200,000 acres, and that
his ordinary stock of sheep was 45,000. He was also a
cattle-dealer. He calculated that from the east of the water
of Urr there would be sent into England, of fat cattle 3,000;
half-fat, 16,000; fat sheep, 60,000; lambs, 30,000; store
sheep, 15,000. To this would be added, by the Kircudbright
branch, fat cattle, 2,000; half-fat, 18,000; fat sheep, 20,000;
store sheep, 20,000. He had framed these calculations on
very careful data, and he thought he was justified in think-
ing them correct.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant MURPHY—At present
half-fat cattle were sent into England by Stanmore and
Arundel, and so on ; fat cattle were sent to Liverpool by sea,
and were shipped at the various ports on the coast. Four-
fifths of the Galloway breed of cattle were sent to the east of
England. The Northern Counties Union to Penrith would
answer for their store sheep and cattle, and the Lancaster and
Carlisle line to Northallerton (if short and cheap) would
afford them still further advantages.
Re examined by Sir T. PHILLIPS--The line to Penrith
being only 18 miles long would nut be of any very great ad-
vantage to them, and to avoid trouble they world rather go
at once upon the main line.
Sir THOMAS Pmeurs was proceeding to call Mr. Hunter,
the second largest cattle-dealer in Scotland, to corroborate
the evidence of Mr. Kennedy, but the Committee intimated
that they were satisfied on this point, and would prefer hear-
ing evidence on the Canobie coal trade.
Mr. Wright, manager of the Duke of Buccleuch's mineral
fields, was intimately acquainted with the minerals of the
district. At present the districts of Galloway were only sup-
plied by coal from England, and the cost of Newcastle coals
at the different ports might be taken at 16s Bd. per ton. By
the opening of the Canobie branch an abundant and cheap
supply could he procured. The length of the fields in the
upper series was three miles, and the cost was found in six
:cms of an aggregate depth of 35 feet 9 inches. The coal
was of a very god quality, being equal to West Cum-
berland. In the lower series there were four seams of an aggre-
gate depth of 19 feet 6 inches. The price at the pit's mouth
was ss. 10d. They could be delivered in Dumfries at about
18s. Gd., and in Kniceudbright at something under 10s. Be-
! yond the quantity used for district consumption, he calcu-
lated that a considerable quantity would be shipped at the
port of Kirkcudbright. The coal was adapted for coking,
and could be delivered at any of the stations of the Glasgow
and Ayr Company at 20s. per ton. Time estimate of con-
sumption of coke by the lines connected with the Dumfries
Company, was 40,000 tons, and out of this quantity he thought
Canobie would supply one-third. He thought that the in-
terests of the Canobie field would be better cared for by the
Dumfries Company, because the Csledonian might rather
choose to encourage the coal which would come the longer
distance upon their line.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant Mummy—He had no
experience of railway management, further than that he had
frequently sent coals upon railways. He thought now as he
thought last year, that if the navigation were equal, and the
rates the same, Annan, as being the nearest port to the
Canobie district, would be preferred.,
Re-examined by SirTnostAs PHlLllPS—Kirkcudbright was
not contemplated last year as a shippieg port.—(Laughter,)
Mr. Christie agreed in the evidence given by Mr. Wright,
of the minerals of Canobie, both as to their quality and
extent.

Mr. Fawcett, proprietor of certain coal-fields on the line of
the Lancaster and Carlisle Railway, said that considerable
quantities of soal would be transmitted along the proposed
Brampton line.
Mr. Liddell, provision merchant, Brampton, proved the
preference given by the district to the scheme of the Dum•
fries and Carlisle Company over that of the Caledonian.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant MURPHY—He did not
know which of the schemes passed through the town of
Brampton.—(Laughter.)
Mr. Sergeant Mtm.Pitv—Do you, in fact, know anything
at all about it ? (Laughter.)
itness—lf I knew I would tell you.—(Laughter.)
Mr. Carr put in papers, showing the amount of traffic,
&c., from Newcastle to Glasgow.
Mr. William Anderson had acquainted himself with the
extent of the trade by steam from Glasgow to Newcastle,
and it did not exceed. 300 tons. The whole amount which
would be abstracted from the Caledonian Company by the
Dumfries Company would be 4,9901. 75., or, deducting 45
per cent. for working expenses, 2,774/. I4s. The loss to
the Caledonian Railway on the Dumfries and Edinburgh
traffic would be as equal to 27 miles of their lire, and to
compensate for that loss he brought upon their lice at
Gretna a large amount of traffic, for which they took no
credit in the original prospectus.
Cross-examined by Mr. Sergeant MURPHY— He had heard
that this traffic was omitted in deferenee to the opinions of
the Railway Commissioners. He bad heard that this formed
an element in Mr. Locke's design. He had, when examined
last year, mentioned only the port of Annan as a shipping
station for coals, because no other port then existed.
The Committee then adjourned till to-morrow, at twelve.

COMMITTEES on PRIVATE BILLS.
LIVERPOOL WATERWORKS.
The Committee en this group met yesterday morning, in
Room 33 ; Sir J. Johnstone in the chair.
After the adjournment on Tuesday the Committee drew up
a clause, which, however, did not satisfy the several partifi,
and they accordingly went on with the opposition to the
Bill. They were occupied during the sitting with hearing
evidence on the qualities of the water at present supplied by
the different companies to the town.

THE BATTLE of the JOURNALS.
(From the Dublin Pilot)
A sort of death struggle regarding prices is going on
narnoarlstalredeounicpitritgittiohne
commamong
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charge per copy to threepence, the stamp, paper, and
interest of money, amounting to twopence halfpenny, thus
leaving one halfpenny sterling for house rent. editor's
salary. wages, taxes, ink, &c. This was resisted by the
Mercury, one of those so called lifboo,rut.n:dilijitcoluanrsensceaeslsssowafrhythicthoe
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but
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clip his wings and come down plump to the earth, thus
proving that he is not valued at a rush more than his
In the desperate frenzy of the day,
contemporaries.
rarepdouctreiions are offered as a lure, and we fear that
the system will not only degrade the press in the eyes of
twhoe[rlkptt
nu biesnl i
totally
euflotri wd a
jtooulyrnaclurtail the proceeds of the
impossible for any honest intentioned
newspaper proprietor to reduce the price below the pre-
sent standard, whilst the stamp, paper, and other inci-
dental taxes remain as they are. INTt- twithstanding that
our Liverpool contemporaries have fifty timer the adver-
tising patronage accorded to their Irish brethren, such
an income as id. per sheet, to meet all expenses, is a
" little too bad." One of the Liverpool papers, in re-
marking on the above paragraph, says :
" The paper which commenced the :three-penny
system, and whose competition with the established
journals is to bring down the wages of the workman
employed on the press in Liverpool, is inconsistently
enough, a professed advocate of the interests of the
working classes."
We are sure that the public would not, in order to
obtain their newspaper a penny or two cheaper, &lire
to see the mechanic deprived of the hard-earned fruits
of his labour. Some people, with more money than wit,
were lately induced to start a " very cheap" newspaper
in Liverpool, but were forced to make a hasty retreat
from the speculation, although they had the advantage,.
not only of having to pay reduced wages to their work-
men, but of not paying them at all t.l

The Emperor of Austria has appointed M. Romilly
bishop of Cremona, to the archbishopric of Milan.