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to look to motives, but .chat they might be con- 1 that Bill—f, Hear).anel thus had lately made the Elliot I
sidered to be. Now he asserted that the facts he had i an open question.—(llear.) Then how could a Govern-
mentioned
led a great portion of the people of Ireland to 1 nient, depending f ,r its support mainly on Dissenters, he
believe that the Government of the country approved of the 1 faithful to the Church ? The National Plan of Elues-
speechee he hedinentioned, and encouraged them. L tat night ' tion was, be Mired, a heavy blow aed great disco rage-
they had been asked for some tengible fact of inal-aininis- I went to Pcotestantism. He eished a national plan. oiie
tretion on the Pert of the Government. He thought that he 1 under which the Church Catechism should be imperativels
bad mentioned one point that no one could doubt to be I taught, hut under enieh no children of parents con cienti-
tangible, via., that the Government in what they hail done ously objecting ebould be compelled to learn it. He would
had led the people to believe they encouraged lan- not mere than allude. to the frighful state of our finances : cc
.cage which was little better than sedition and tree- was indeed at a loss to express his views of the folly of giving
son. There were one or two topics alluded to last up a large revenue from the Pust-office merely by a novel
night, to which he wished briefly to address himself. It plan, to secure the favour of a section in that Fl use.'
as said that there was no complaint in Ireland with respect Equally might he find field for censure in the Colonial
o the system of national education. Complaints there were policy of the Governmt n -. Into the vast arena of Fereien
bitter, and reiterated by one class in that country—viz, policy he would net enter, further than to express his joy
-he Protestants ; and the reason that no complaints at any prospect of a pacification in Spain. But he wish. d
had been made in that House was that they had to recur to the disturbed state of this country, who h it
complained for years, and obtained no redress.—( Hear.) Ml 3 impossible the present Government could repair.
rhe schools were almost exclusively Roman Catholic, for When they forced themselves back to office, they laid
they had been of necessity deserted by the Protestant po- themselves under a compact to give to the Democratic
;ulation. It had been said that if the Right Hon. Bart., party undue weight in the Constitution. And the recent
whom they acknowledged as their leader in that House--. changes in the Government only increased the velocity of
Hear, bear)—he repeated it with pride, with whom they ' its verging to extreme opinions
the R. Hesolution. e should,
It onwas these
did not differ, and as he would show had never differed grounds, give his support to u -
upon any essential principle of his Government—it had just to say that if the Right Hon. Baronet, the Member
been said if he were to succeed to be Minister of the for Tamworth, returned to power, he would act on con-
Crown to direct her Majesty's Councils in Ireland, his fined and narrow principles. There were many Members
upport would be and must be the Orange As of the Right Hon. Baronet's party who would never con-
iodations of the country.—( Hear, hear, hear.) sent to act on what were called old high Tory principles—
He could not let the observation pass without stating that ( Cheers from the Ministerial Benches.) The Right Hun.
i it was a gross misrepresentation of the principles and cha- Baronet was known to possess a large and a liberal mind—
, teeter of the Orange body in Ireland. In the first place he (Ironical cheers)—and it he came into office, any import.
would tell the House that no Orange institution subsisted at ant measure he might propose would undoubtedly find a
that moment in Ireland. As was perfectly known, the cordial and unanimous support in the great Conservative,
Orange Societies were first brought together in 1794. party.—( Cheers.)
when rebellion was not only acknowledged, but when Mr. E. RICE said he would give the resolution the
Ithe avowed and professed objects of the rebellion praise of being straightforward and direct, but it did not
1 %sere the separation of the Crown of England from Ireland, seem to him in accordance with Conservative objects and
and the handing over Ireland to the dominion of principles. The Government was accused of being weak.
IFrance: What he then stated was matter of history. If the object of tee resolution was to embarrass and weaken
and the Orange party was formed for the sole purpose the Executive he could conceive of no course more reek-
of preserving the Union of Ireland with England— less. This question involved higher objects than a change
the succession of the Throne, and the allegiance of of Administration—(" Hear, hear," from the Consrrvative
Ireland to his Britannic Majesty. As soon as it was side)—and he would beg Gentlemen opposite to reflect if
hnown that William IV. expressed his disapprobation of a change of Ministry might not be too dearly purchased
tie further existence of the society, and though not com- —( Hear.) From the speech of the Learned Member for
pelled by law, the nobility and gentry of Ireland assembled Coleraine (Mr. Litton) he gathered that the effect of the
end abolished all the privileges of the Society.—( Hear, late and the present Lord Lieutenant's administration in
ii .ar.) He (Mr. Litton) had been accused of establishing Ireland had been most beneficial to that country, though
ea Orange Society in Cork—that fact he utterly denied. that was so strenuously denied by the Learned Member
There was a case sent to him for his professional and his friends. He rejoiced to find that peace had been
opinion, whether a society with certain rules and regu- restored in that country, though the tranquillity was yet in
lations, without secresy, without oath, without de- need of the fostering care of the present Government, be
claration, without pledge, was legal and right. He whom it had been raised. He was constantly hearing such
gave a legal opinion, which he found was pub- doctrines from the party opposite as these—that to conci-
lished in the.Newspapere without his sanction, that a society Bate was to truckle to agitators ; and that principle should
constituted on those principles was a perfectly legal one. not be sacrificed to peace. This meant, that Roman Ca-
He found by the newspapers that society as be thought, tholic Ireland was to be made Protestant by coercion—
imprudently meant to call itself, an Orange one, but he that was its real meaning at least. The number of troops
asserted it was nothing but a Protestant Association, for which could he spared from Ireland was the barometer of its
securing the Protestant succession, and for sustaining the present tranquillity. And if, as was threatened, rebellion '
throne and the Established Church. When he had just should break out in any part of the Empire, he trusted
now adverted to the Right Hon. Baronet, the Member for the Government would, with clear hands, be enabled to
Tamworth, as the leader of his party, he heard something put it down. A great deal of fancied danger was talked of
like dissent to that proposition, and he presumed the in the Established Church. He believed its danger and
ground on which the opponents of the Conservative party its safety alike were included within itself ; that its danger
rested the idea of a division in their camp, was their dif- lay in the abuses of its discipline, its safety in the purity
thrence of opinion on the privileges of the House ; now, in of its doctrines.—(Cheers.) And wishing, as he did, to
his bumble judgment, those privileges did not embrace any see the Church prosper and increase, he thought he was a
one part er atom of those public principles by which they more sincere friend to it in endeavouring to correct, than
were held together. The Right Hon, Baronet, and many others were in trying to pollute, its abuses.—( Hear, hear.)
I :lon. Members wheacted with him, thought the House had a The Church was always put in front of the battle by gen-
t law of its own, whereas he (Mr. Litton) and others thought demon opposite, and made the pretext for refusing any great
1 the law of the land was paramount to every body, and if measure of national reform, especially that of education.
on such a difference as that, they rested their hope of a Hon. Gentlemen opposite were the worst friends of the
1 livision in their camp, he wished them joy of Church—they were the mistaken friends cf the Church,
I it, but it was wholly fallacious. There was one who put a stumbling-block in the way of every improve-
{ other question on which eighty-eight Members of ment of our institutions.—( Hear, hear.) He was glad this
j that House had agreed with him in opposition to motion had been made, aed he hoped the House e Quid,
1 the Right Honourable Baronet, and in the long catalogue after it had been disposed of, direct its attention to sob-
er opinion which they held together this was the only jects more affecting the interests of the people, than cities-
(
question on which they differed. He meant the second tions of privilege and party.—( Hear, hear.) The ques-
reading of the Irish Municipal Bill; he had voted against tion of the Corn-laws ought to be immediately taken into
the second reading because he felt that although the prin- consideration. The Hon. Member for Kilmarnock had
eiple of election existed in that Bill, yet it was so swamped asked for a dissolution. Although he (Mr. Rice) was not
and destroyed by the details that it could lead to no free afraid of a dissolution, and an appeal to the people, yet he
election at all ; and feeling this, he had voted in the first did not wish for a dissolution, because he believed it would
instance against the second reading of the Bill, and what lead to agitation, and all he wished for was peaceful and
had been the result? Why what belied predicted, that this Bill useful agitation. —( Hear, hear. )
had been found so radically defective that it never could, Mr. PA K ING TON believed, that in the vast and com-
and never would, pass the House of Lords. When a Bill plicated affairs of this great empire, there was ne one
was full of details in opposition to its professed principle, branch of its affairs that did not, at this moment, afferd a
:t could hardly be considered as the principle, but the ex- fair ground for inculpation and attack on her Majesty's
ception—and on this very question his Hon. Friend had Government.—( Hear, hear.) He cared little whether
voted with him against the third reading of the the motion of his Hon. Friend the Member for Devon-
measure, because they found when it came out shire was negatived by a majority of 2 or a majority of
of Committee that although its principle might 10, but the result of it would be to create a feeling of
be good, its details were objectionable. Could this confidence throughout the country, and to show that there
he called a difference? It was but teeing different roads was a party in that House, strong in number and ability-
-7o the same end, and working to the same goal by differ- (Ironical cheers)—who were prepared to follow that great
eat paths. If it could be called a difference between them statesman whom they acknowledged as their leader, and
and the Right Honourable Gentleman they were proud with whom they were prepared to stand by the institutions
to acknowledge as their leader, he would give Honourable of Engtand.—( Hear, bear.) He regretted this motion was
Gentlemen opposite the benefit of it; but he beseeched not brought forward last year instead of now, because he
them not to rest their fragile hopes on such a difference. was certain that last year it would have been successful,
Over and over again last night, it was asked and they would then have been saved the evils that had
what were the political principles of the Con- been inflicted on the country between last year and the
servative party ?—( Hear.) He would state what present time. Her Majesty's Government in the interval,
those principles were, as held by himself, and he be- in order to secure the support of the ultra-Liberal Mem-
lieved that there was no difference between himself and berg, had consented, most unwisely and unworthily, to
his brothers on that side of the House—principles in make concessions to that democratic spirit which of late
which they followed their leader without any difference had been so prevalent.—(Hear, hear.) He thought it
whatever. Bat what were their differences compared with was unworthy of the character of the Noble Lord to con-
the questions on which they agreed? The Education cede to that democratic spirit, and to make the Ballot an
question, the Jamaica question, the Canada question—on open question. Then there was the concession of the
all the great points of domestic, foreign, and colonial Penny Post. The post-horse duty had much better have
policy they were agreed. The policy of the Conservative been abolished ; and to concede the Penny Post at a
party would be to discourage sedition throughout the time when the country was in great financial difficulty
country—(Cheers)—and to see that the Magistrate' of was a most unworthy bidding for popularity on the part of
the eountry were pure and unsullied—not to suffer our the Government. He would state a few instances which
11.4 g, to be dishonoured or our trade to be crippled. induced him sincerely to believe that the interests of the
) On every occasion in which Gsvernment had the power, monarchy and the interests of the Protestant Church
they had done all possible injury to the Established were in danger so long as the present Ministers retained
Church. For all these reasons he should rote for the Re- office.—( Hear, hear.) One reason was, that they bad,
solution. during the whole time they had been in office, encouraged
Mr. D E NI STOUN then rose and said he would leave agitation. They had, both at home and in the Colonies,
to Gentlemen more connected with Ireland to follow the done everything they could to suppress the expression of
lion. and Learned Member who had just sat down through lo} alty, while disaffection had met with promotion and re-
-11:3 long and dull speech. He rose to state the part which ward. Nothing had excited disapprobation more strongly
as a Radical Member he should adopt on this question. than the manner in winch her Majesty's Governmenii had
At once he would state his intention to vote against the prostituted the bench of justice to party purposes.
Resolution. The real question he understood to be ( Hoar, hear.) The Hon. Member for Kilmarnock last
whether the House were d:sposed to give its confidence to night alluded to the circumstance of Chief Justice
the Noble Lord (J. Russell), or to the Right Hon. Ba- Bolton, of Newfoundland, nosing been deprived of his
react (Sir R. Peel). Now the Right Hon. Baronet had office. He would mention another instanceof the Attorney-
always been behind the spirit of the age. He had been General of Upper Canada, who, because he ventured to
thus backward at the Catholic Emancipation Bill and express a strong feeling of regard towards the Church of
1 at the Reform Bill ; whereas the Noble Lord had England, was dismissed from his post. But on the other
throughout his public life acted up to the principles hand what had been the conduct of the Government to-
he had professed at first starting in his course. The words those who entertained feelings of an opposite cha-
main question was, what right had lion. Gentlemen racter. He would mention the case of Mr. Biddell, who
opposite to the confidence of the country ? They pro- had been put on the Bench in Upper Canada, but who
fossed, it was true, at all their public meetings, to be the was now an exile for treason.—( /leer, hear.) Again,
opposers of every kind of abuse—let it be shoran to them Mr. Biddarr in Lower Canada, than whom no one was
that there was any real abuse, and they would be the first more conspicuous for his lung continued course of d.saf-
to remedy it. What, however, bad been their policy? fection towards the Government, yet he had been reeenn-
He would take the instance of the Reform Bill, and he mended and appointed to the Bench of Justice, and had
put it tothe House, whether the Hon. Gentlemen opposite since been suspended for his share in the agitation in
bad not done all in their power to thwart the working of Lower Canada. To come nearer home they found that
that measure ? There lead not been a s ogle motion made in spite of warnings the notorious John Frost had been
by any Member of the House to give that Bill a fair trial placed on the Bench —( Expressions of disapprobation
which they had not opposed. There was another subject from the Ministerial Benches.) He understood these
which he wished to allude to. He would ask the Noble groans, but was it or was it not a fact that the
Lord, the Member for North Lancashire, what had been Noble Nord had received ample warnings of the character
his conduct with regard to the question of Fictitious and conduct of Jelin Frost? did he not place John F. oston
Votes in Scotland ? 'l' he present state of the law on that the bench ? and what was now the fate and condition of
subject was admitted by all parties to be a great abuse. that man ? ( Cries of " Oh, oh.") But in all the mai-
, —( Hear, hear. ) The Lord Advocate bad brought administrations of the Government, he thought the dukes!
el a Bill last Session to do away with that abuse. act was that of offering a seat on the bench of justice to
' The Noble Lord, however, had said that he would not the lion. iind Learned Member for Dublin —( Laughter
allow that measure to pass, as it introduced a new principle. from the Ministerial benches ) When any point of policy
But if he objected to the principle, was he net was alluded to which Hon. Gentlemen opposite did not
bound, as a consistent man, to bring forward like, they always tried to meet it by an unmeaning laugh.
some other motion equally effective, and that would not be —( Renewed laughter.) He was happy to see the Hon.
I liable to his objection ? this wished to call the attention of and Learned Member for Dublin in his place. He might
i the House to another question. In the event of the Right receive his (Mr. P.'s) observations as
lie liked. lie would
Baronet succeeding in his motion, what, he would ask, say nothing, unparliamentary, or intentionally offensive to
Icoals' be the position of the Corn-laws and of free trade ? him ; but this he would not shrink from stating, that look
IWas it to be supposed that the Cabinet of the Right Hon. i „g to the political career of that Hon. Ind Learned Morn-
-1 Baronet could be otherwise than cordially united in resist- ber, from the commencement of it to the present moment,
I ing every proposition for inquiring into the operation of he could not conceive anything more disgraceful or dig.
' those laws; and if that were the case, bow could he pre-
tend to the confidence of t he country ? There was another career of that Hon. and Learned Gentleman by a porno
point which he wished to allude to: it was that of relieieus creditable to any Administration than to terminate the
Lion to the Bench of Jestice —( Cheering and counter-cheer-
liberty, which, under the administration of the Right Hon in g.) The House might depend on it that the country was
IBart., would become nothing better than a farce. How was not insensible to this, and so long as the Bench of Justice was
it, that when Government had appointed two Roman Ca- thus prostituted, her Msjesty's Ministers would riot be re-
I tholic Gentlemen to offices in the State a savage howl had garded by the respectable portion of the people with any feel-
; been raised against them from one end of the country to fines but those of horror and alarm. The conduct of the Go-
the other e—olear, bear.) Honourable Gentlemen opnoe ve'rnment was most dangerous to the Church of England.
site did not, it was true, avow their sentiments on that I
meeting or a dinner held by their party through the coon- Did the Church of England trust them ?—( Hear, hear.)
übject in the House: but was there, he would ask, a
Had the Church ot England any confidence in any portion
of her Majesty's Government? God forbid that he should
; try at which these murmurs had not been the staple ar- a with regard to the private professions of lion.
I i idle ? He was assured, for his part, that in the event of
Hon. Gentlemen opposite suecesding to the Administration collectivesa'notnleemweonr opposite,. but this he must say—that in their
a Government they were hostile to
ef the country, there would be an end to religious liberty. capacity
For those reasons it was, seeing that the Reform Bill the best interests ofasthe Chliterscrh,,haenadr.s)ue
\hvdh-eans tthheeygleLekreadl
opinion of the country.—(
would not have a fair trial, and seeing that religious liberty
would not be likely to be promoted ; for these reasons he Bishopsto the Appropriation clause—to thtehaetteEmdputeattoiudnesscheme.
to
opposed the motion of the Hon. Baronet. And he would
_of their property
advise the Government, if they wished confidently to carry 1 scoutedeitby all the country—hnd when they looked to the
...n the administration of public affairs ; he said he would Qruceuemns
hanctheeopf theri
eprmesiennsttatrion of the infidel
i they could not but feel that
advise them strictly to inquire into public affairs—to en- the Churych of England land ande Protstant institutions were
deavour to raise the moral and physical condition of the not safe in the keeg
"' o • f the present Administration.—
people, and study to secure, not the fleeting support of the ( Hear.) The Hon.phlegmber for Glasgow (Mr. Denistoun)
majority of the House of Commons, but what was in. had said that the latex ppointments of Roman Catholics to
finitely superior, the acquiescence and support of the office had been greeted-With a savage howl throughout the
people. kingdom. The objection to those- appointments was not
Mr. G ALLY KNIGHT wished particularly to allude because the Hon. Member for Wide ford or the Hon.
causenh
of exmi
obuesr
theyt foo ra hadTli
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otherhrtmai
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intentions
majority
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to the disturbed state of the manufacturing districts. For
many years the county he represented had been in a mostoelrnae: tee\l icdvo,
fofaltttti
hcehh
isreos—fmolcresoi
Waterford
wasnshitnt:rsil
na.bnabe
no
disturbed state: the Chartists organizing, and arms col-
lecting ; while the well-disposed part of the inhabitants
uad been in a continual state of warm—( An ironical cry (doubtllear'hioireierst
of " Hear" from Lord John Russell)—and only a few vocates of a system of education, which they beligeved
days ago one of the principal towns had, by the vigilance hostile to the best interests of the nation. It had been
of the Magistrates alone, been rescued from destruction ; stated, as a boast, that the results of certain of the elections
and eight gentlemen had been, it was afterwards, found, had been in favour of the Government, but it ought to be
selected for savage murder. All this he laid to the charge recollected a certain number of seats had been vacated at
hmwbpra:eenrsno
fdpCot
t,f the Government—( Loud cries of " Hear, hear," from the discretion of Government—they had selected the places,
i the Treasury benches).- for, not having risen from dig- and the elections had been carried by very slender and
I tress, these riots would never have gone to such a length narrow majorities —(Cries of " Oh, oh.") Lo ,k at
I had not the reins of Government been slackened—(lroni- Newark.—( Hear, hear, on the Opposition benches.) In
•, eel cries of " Hear, hear," especially from Lord J. Rus- Newark not only was the election carried by a slender
sell). He owned it would always be difficult to
majority, but, if the public were informed rightly, carried
govern the manufacturing districts—still that was
by extraordinary means.—(lronical cheers from the Mio
rather a reason why the first symptoms of insubordination nisterial benches.) Falmouth and Devonport might almost be
I should be suppressed.—( Hear.) The population ought said to be in the power of the Government, but the elections
not eto have been left under the influence of seditious to which he had rain Ted were not the only,e election', which
I
harangues and poisonous publications, which should have
I been checked long ago.—(Hear.) But he well recollected l
had taken place —( Cheers.) But let Hon. Gents,
lee—( Cries of " Oh, oh I")—and he ,ideeht
/1 the declaration of the Noble Lord opposite at Liverpool—Neeiewmabsenrsotumprshiteg.roußniuttotrh,l:(:n
sgt
li (Hear)—and the self-laudatory and unfortunate compli- that on to
theßevewlitio..le the
1 meats of the Attorney-General at Edinburgh.--( Hear.) on the part of I-1
• ~ it Irosteppistry had deprived themselves, however, of the to which he athacohne'd moTrehimvroicrttuarnyceat was
il itrhmatinwghhiacmletohoakd
4,- •• 'of staying these discontented proceedings. They lace at Birmingham.
rieterli teed proceedings themselves, and countenanced
--.
'..-. obeenthe • main boast He head not the slightest doubt that
-el _ :ids s
dliclieersive of the Altar and the Throne.—( Hear.)
n - wertieen friendly to the Reform Bill—( Sarcastic : the Hon.
his Member whbothande
mustjust breemenindreHtuurnnedGweratsiemmoesnt
()Hest in views ; but
.
es- se . -skein the Ministerial Benches)—but the present opposite, when they boasted of the victory at Birmingham.
-v,,Le elem jilt had always shown a readiness to tamper with that that Hon. Gentleman had openly avowed on rho bust-

ings that he was a Republican.---( Hear, hear, hear.) I deluded men in their eisnsrereus career, for by the acqui-
They sloes:id see whether the Ministers were to be bone- essence of the Government they were evidently led to
fitcd ey his support,__( )Hear, hean ); They should soon I think they were loin se en harm. He would put it to that
see why he !i-,en tool e:, his seat behind the hacks of - House whether the Geeerninent might not, by timely
Ministers.--( Hear, and , ries or, ‘• Order ") Tiiie was meas erca, have put e stop to the alarming practices
another rea- ei why her Majesty's Government shound be of the Cliarti_ts?—fleer, hear, hear.) Much had
declared unfit to (es continued in office.—( Hear, and been said about the till et of unity on his (Mr. Parker's)
laussieer.) They in*lit rest assured that he would have side of the House. Would Hun. Members on the ether
his price. - ,•ries ot " Order, Orner.") side allow the convei se of :het argument, for, if it held
Mr. SC ii OLE FIEL D begged to ask the Sneaker if geeed on one side, so it ought oe the other?—(Cheers.)
it were cerrect and i,arliamentary that such language In 1837 the H.e). Member for Dub,ie, and the' Hon•
should be made use of bs any Hon, Member of that House Member for Kilkenny, were encouraging rebellion in
towards another Hon. Member. Canada ; was there then unity on that ride t f the Heuse..
The SPE AKER hoped the H.-in. Member would see from which the charee of a want of unity had been made ?
the necessity of explsining his observations to that Howe. I Were the questions of the Ballot and th Corn-laws of no
Mr. PA K I NGT ON said he le of not the slightest in- importance, end was the Ho,. Baronet ("Sir George Grey)
tention of sa eng one word that would be calculated to hurt prepared to say that on these subjects there was unity on
the feelings of any Honourable Gssels man, and by makiee, that side of the House ? and might they not appropriately be
use of the word price, he essured the Honourable ' brought into question with reference to the want of unity
Member for. :iirmingham his meaning, when he ap- which had bee:, tall aid of? Was there unity on the repeal of
plisti it to t e P.onourable Gentleman, was precisely the the Union, or were ,ley prepared to join in the adoption of
same as if that Hon. Member for Birmingham had as- that measure 2—if not, what value was the observation ?
sorted that he (Mr. Pakington) had his price for sup- and if they were not prepared to join the adoption of those
porting the Hen. Member for Tamworth.—( Hear.) lie measures, there was no such unity on that side of the
hoped, therefore, that this explanation would be deemed House as coubt furnish grounds for confidence.ia the Go-
satisfactory ; and he again repeated, in the most distinct vernment.—( Hear, hear.) He would ask, in conclusion,
terms, that be intended no offence.—( Hear, hear.) He when the people were armed, when inflammatory
would there ore resume his arguments by alluding to the speeches were being openly made throughout the coun-
fact of a Member of Republican principles bensg so lately try, and when, in consequence of this, the whole garrison
returnedaes a Member of that House, and a determined of London had been kept under arms an entire night,
supporter of her Majesty's Government.—( Cries of were there no grounds for the motion of a want of confi-
" Hear, hear," from the Opposition.) He had, therefore, dente in her Majesty's Government ?—( Cheers.)
no hesitation in saying that such facts were well calculated Lord HOW ICK said, the Hon. Member for Oxford-
to excite the utmost alarm and consternation throughout shire had stated that the only difficulty which he found in
the country. The Hon. Member for Lambeth, who, he the discussion of the motion now before the House
eas sorry to say was not then his pliee, made use of an arose not from want of matter, but from a superfluity of
ohtervat'on during his speech on the last evening in sup- it. Still be had heard of no matter of sufficient importance
port of the Ministry, and that was "that all the country to justify a resolution of such an unusual character As that
wanted was a steady Government." He (Mr. Pakington) of a VOW of want of confidence in her Majesty's Ministers.
completely 'sok up this observation as his own, and repeat- Such a vete had never been conic to by that House, except
ed it, " what the country wanted was a steady Govern. in cases of the greatest difficulty, and most urgent neces-
ment." But he thought the Hon. Member for Limbed] site, and no reason of that sort had been assigned in sup-
was singularly unfortunate in making use of such words port of the present motion. The Hon. Member ( Sir G.
while he was attempting with all his zeal and ability to Grey) who had replied to that charge last night, had most
support the present Government.—(Hear, hear, from the completely answered it ; and he (Lord tiowick) should
Opposition ) Why, how could he have applied the words net now have ventured to take part in the present debate,
steady Government" to her Msjesty's Ministers? Let but that he felt it incumbent upon him to state
them examiee their conduct with regard to the Appro- the circumstances under which it had become his duty to
priation Clause. Let them examine their conduct with withdraw from office as a member of the present Govern-
regard to Jamaica—and to their Education plans. Was ment, and in stating which he hoped he should be favoured
it not notorious that they were constantly changing with the indulgence of the House. Those circumstances
their policy and conduct, for the purpose of obtaining a presented features of no ordinary difficulty, for no public
narrow and miserable majority—(Cheers from the Oppo- man was justified on light grounds in withdrawing from
sition)—and maintained their places by a series of vacille- a Government of which ho formed a part.---( Cheers.)
tiers, ? What was said in another place by a Noble ( Here the Hon. Member was proceeding when he was
Lord ? If that Noble Lord were well reported, he momentarily interrupted,) If the Hon. Member for
made this observation—" That this country must strut- Lewes had sat as long in that House as he (Lord Howick)
gle to keep its place among nations."—(llear.) Was had he would have known that an Hon. Member placed
not that a fact which it was impossible for any reasonable in the position in which he (Lord Howick) then
man to doubt ? Was not that enough for every unpreju- was, ought to be permitted to speak without inter-
diced man to see that the time was come when it was ne- ruption.—(Hear, hear, hear.) He was stating that
ces-ary, for the presersetion of the Crown and Constitu- he had not taken the step alluded to on very
tion, to have a sound Protestant Ministry in office.— light grounds, but in his explanation on this point he had
(Hear, hear. ) This ea: en empire which embraced such one unpleasant word to state against the Government with
vast and extensive let resn, as requir' d a steady and deter- which he had acted so long, with whom, he believed, he
mined Gosernmeet to ersserve it from the dangers which yet continued on terms of uninterrupted friendship, arid
were constantly threatenng then, He, therefore, per- whose measures be was still prepared to support. The
fectly agreed with ih-s Member for Lambeth, that a House would recollect the circumstances under which the
" steady Government" was what they then required to Government tendered its resignation in May last, It was
punish the disaffected, and put down with a strong arm then stated that they were driven to that step by not
the spirit of sedition which was so general and widely having that support which alone could have enabled them
spread. He thought that such statesmen as sat on his to conduct the Government of the country. He was deeply
side of the House were only fit to hold the reins of Go- aware of the consequences which must result to the country
vernment, and who were only competent to control the from that state of things, and he thought it was of import-
the spirit of the times, and extinguish every spark of sedi- once to state that at that time there was no one of the
tion and Chartism which had spread itself throughout the great leading questions which was not made a party mat-
country with such fearful rapidity. In conclusion, he ter. It was not without the greatest difficulty they had
begged to give his most, candid support to the motion of undertaken that step, and they had not without reasons of
the Hon. Member no Devonshire. the greatest weight undertaken the resolution of with-
Mr. MUNTZ (who on his rising was received with drawing from a Government, which was so much indebted
loud cheers, end erica of " Hear the new Member") said to that House for the support it had received. Though
he thought he was justified in calling on the Hon. Mem-
ber,who had just sat down, for an explanation, after the difficulties which surrounded the empire, it was essential,
unprovoked attack which ho had made upon him. He as soon as the Session terminated, to give increased power
(Mr. Mentz) confessed that for years past be was charged to the Government. Such was the opinion of many Menu-
with professing Republican principles. He was free hers of the Government, and others in that House. They
to say, though he was a Republican in principle, he was felt that in any change of the Government, the great point
not so in practice.—(Hear, hear.) If he were asked was to recover the confidence of the country, which desired
would he take a change of Government at the present a liberal policy, but were still averse'to any ()Sher great
period, considering the weight of an overgrown Church constitutional changes: He had observed that month by
Establishment and other evils, which would be likely to be month, many steady support.rs of the former Whig Govern-
increased, he should be the last man to give his conspet ment, were falling cif and joining their opponents.
to such a change.—( Hear, hear.) He begged to inform Changes were necessary, but such changes as would
the Hon. Gentleman that he did not seek for a seat in that give the Government a character of the utmost energy,
House, nor did he ask for one single vote throughout out adhering at the same time to constitutional measures.
his election, but be might truly say he was pushed into He was not aware what were the views of his friends in
that House against his will —(Cheers.) He asked those the other House of Parliament, but this he knew, that the
Gentlemen on the opposite side of the House, if, instead arrangement then come to did not answer the description
of his taking his seat on the Ministerial side, he had of the measures wished for, but seemed to have an opposite
shifted his quarters to the Opposition, would they be in- effect. Those changes were not made known to him till
clined to find fault with his vote, or to taunt him for his within a few days before Parliament assembled. He told
former principles ?—( Hear, and laughter.) He had known his friends in the Government of his views. He told them
Sir Francis Burdett in his former days of glory.—( Here he had given the matter his most serious consideration ;
the Hon, Member was interrupted by cries of " Order, he was aware of its importance, and it was not till
order.") Ha might have been out of order, and begged after the fullest co .sideration that he wrote a letter
to apologize, but he recollected the Hon. Baronet the embodying his views. He would not now
M 'her for Wiltshire some 'ears ago. when he was state his objections to the projecte.d changes

eember iltsye.
equally honoured by the abuse of those Hon. Members,
who, the moment he changed his principles, was received
by them with open arms and rapturous applause.—(Cheers
from the Ministerial benches.) He freely admitted that
her Majesty's Government had not done all the good
which he had wished—(" Hear, hear, hear," from
the Opposition)—but he would not, however, upon
that account, refuse them his vote upon that
occasion.—(Ministerial cheers.) Being on his legs, he
hoped he would be allowed to make a remark upon the
particular subject they had met to debate, and that was, as
he understood it, " Whether the country would give their
confidence to the Ministry?" He said they would not,
because they had too nearly followed the practices and
footsteps of the Gentlemen on the other side of the
House.—(Cheers.) The Ministry were certainly guilty
of many fAults—and what were they ? That they had too
nearly 'allowed the example of the Tories, and that was
the only reason they did not enjoy the confidence of the
country.—(Cheers.) Let them never again truckle to
that party, who were as inimical to them as to the best
interests of the country.—( Hear, hear.) Let them come
forward boldly, manfully, and independently, as all men
should do, and be prepared to stand or fall by the line of
conduct they thought ought to I.e pursued, and, by so
doing, they would hare the support and confidence of the
great body of the people of England.—(The Honourable
Gentleman sat down amid loud and long-continued
cheering,)
Capt. BERKELEY said he was greatly astonished at
the course pursued by the gentlemen opposite during that
debate. The last Hon. Member who had spoken on that
side of the House only followed in the wake of those who
went before, and repeated the attacks which had already
been so Afters made with the same weapons. A great por-
tion of teie censure on tire Government was in conse-
quence of the appointment of Frost to the Magistracy.
On the last evening the Noble Lord the Member for
Monmouthshire asserted that the Noble Lord the Member
for Stroud refused to appoint a gentleman, to the Magis-
tracy who had been staougly recommended by the Town
Council of Bristol. It would be extremely desirable that
Members sh ruld make greater inquiry before they should
hazard an (pinion or assertion upon it.—( Hear, hear.)
Now the very contrary was the feet—for the Noble Lord
the Member for Stroud received tine nomination of the
Town Council of the city of Bristol. and actually ap-
pointed that gentleman to the magistracy ; and if an -
thing further was recess try to say upon the subject, he
should inform that Hon. Member, that when disturbances
broke out there a short time ago, that self same gentleman
received the immarked thanks of th.., Town Council for tire
manner in which he acted during that period.—(Cheers. )
He would not have thought it necessary to say so much on
the subject, but for an article whicn appeared in the Times
newspaper of yesterday, and in which the subject was no-
ticed. It bad also been charged against the Government,
that they bad given encouragement to Chartism. He was
not altogether prepared to defend all the acts of her Ma-
jest‘'s Government, but it was his opinion that Chartism
had arisen in this country in consequence of the faults and
defects which existed in the Reform Biil—( Hear, hear)
and it had gained strength and vitality by Tory agitation.
—( Cheers.) He had merely risen to set the Noble Lord
tight in what he had asserted ; but, he (Ciptein Berkeley)
was at the came timi• confident that he made the statement,
not knowing it to be incorrect.
Mr. PARKER next rose, but, from the low tone in
which he spoke, it wits quite impossible to hear one sen-
tence distinctly; but we understood him to say, that
the difficulties of the country were con.pletely oc-
casioned by mal- tdaniaistration. With reference to
Ireland being alltgr d to be in such a state of
quietude, that the miiitary e-ere taken away from
it, he bet eed to remind the House that though a great
portions of the military had been removed, their want was
merle up by en additional force of police. He was pre-
pared to justify the motion of the Hon. Ilaronea and he
considered the general character of the speeches from the
Ministerial slit: was more a series of inquiries, as to what
the policy of his party would he, or what conduct they
would pursue, if they had the reins of Government, than
replies to the charges brought against them. Although
he felt bound to say that no one could have listened to the
magnificent speech of the Hon. Member for 11,vonport,
without being delighted—( Hear, and cheers)—he could
not but observe that the policy pursued by the Noble Lord
who represented her Majesty, was fully calculated by its
injudicious example to increase those difficulties that had
existed. With reference to India, he thought the Hon.
Baronet the Member for I)evonport, was rather premature
in his observations, until they received some more
satisfactory accounts from that quarter, with reference
to the late expedition, than had already arrived
What was the state of England, when Chartism was
openly advocated on the opposite side of the House, by an
individual now no longer a member of the Senate ? lle
elluded to Feargus O'Connor who was the very essence of
Chartism, and wile was its constant supporter in that'
House. He really should have thought it too hard to
(barge the Government o
naciertsitd notwith haveallt, dealt with underheevilsofChartis anym,if
it was a thing •
cirmmstance But Getnrnment had been too indulgent
with it—they had encourged it_ they had taken no steps
to suppress it, when, day after day, its evil results were
was
gshutr
attempted,pris surprised that,n
no-
thing being openly and unequivocally developsd.—( Hear, hear.)
on the other side of
w
ht not Government
tltt hhh.hieeni sgs
tiv
onhuadassideca.a
htgieor(eannivi eets
ahaer;
hd
ear.)
Cri
respecting ab
ne ed
Bnhuilt'a itst
owu g
to have protected the people from its contamination,
and from being led away by the destructive influences
which had been so mischievously at work amongst them ?
All this lad been goinr, on fur a long time without any
steps
hl,:ik; e!rebteint. lie',s itnhaet t G,,,;stvioenrnomnent, the opr warti tuhfout
Go-
vernment bad given rise to a dangerous conviction among
the
gave riseelowero to orders that
andth arirpmredoeeedings were not illegal.
It
essemblages of the masses.
Why had Government not then exercise(' its vigilance, and
spheoowplnet,h,aetrethonsremmedeeatinnagsdi ip
a,nedplijrrliceedines were unlawful ?
Ns such steps had been taken, and now masses of the deluded
disciplined on a system not dissi-
milar to her Nlajesty'e troops. He maintained that it was
the duty of her Majesty's Ministers to have stopped these

casiseis. For these reasons, it always appeared to him
highly inexpedient. so soon after great changes in the con-
stitution of Parliament, to recommence that work. But
if he entertained those opinions before the disturbances or-
easi,ned by Chartist agitation, he entertained them far
roore strongly since that time.--( Hear, hear.) He was
sure no one could hare observed the state of feeling
amongst a large proportion of the working classes with-
out being greatly alarmed at the discontent at existing in
stitutions. Tile combinations among them in reiii.ste
parts of the country were symptoms calculated to excite
great alarm. He knew it had been said, and by autho-
rity perhaps the last he should have expected would have
lies n brought forward in support of such an opinion, that
such discontent proved the necessity of concession to re-
move it. He dad heard the same opinion that evening
from the Hon. Member for Glasgow, who said the people
would nsver be quiet until a larger proportion of them
were admitted within the pale of the Constitution. He
coofsssed he could not concur in that opinion. He thought
it inipos4ble fur any man who had paid attention to the
Ch amist meetings, without having perceived that the
public speakers on those occasions, who impressed upon
their hearers the necessity of those violent changes in the
Constitution, had not relied upon any argument to
show what measures for the good of the country they had
power to adopt, and had neglected or attempted to prove
in what respect the House had betrayed its duty. Such
was not their object ; but they proceeded to infer at once,
from the distress and suffering is some parts, the bad work-
ing of the Constitution; that if Parliament were what
it ought to be, that distress would hive been dispelled like
the morning mist, and plenty diffused throughout the land,
and they had endeavoured to impress upon their deluded
hearers the conviction that the result of obtaining political
power would have been the improvement of their condi-
tion—higher wages for less work being what every labour-
ing' man throughout England hoped for ; and he knew
that more than one Gentleman it, the course of the
debate had said that one symptom of the present discon-
tent was, that it prevailed amongst the highest paid
classes of labourers. He was not prepared to dispute
that tact; but he thought the history of the many
strikes which had taken place in this country, and of dis-
ptCes from time to time between the employers and the
employed, proved the fact that it was not always real dis-
tress which had the greatest tendency to produce desire for
higher wages among the labourers of this country. Gen.
tlemen representing manufacturing towns would confirm
the truth of what he alleged, and be could appeal to any
Gentleman who had taken the trouble to consider the
speeches made at Chartist meetings, whether the bait held
out to support their plans was not that which he described ?
whether it was not, as one speaker said, a knife and fork
question, and one of great importance as respected the
physical condition of the working classes? Nuw while no
possible change in laws could produce any immediate im-
provement in the condition of any society, still less could
such improvements be brought about by a change in the
constitution of the Legislature; which was only the instru-
ment by which laws were made ; an improvement of the
condition of the people could only be the slow and gradual
work of themselves, encouraged by good laws and govern-
ment. Good laws could work no miracles; they could not add
one fraction to the amount of national wealth. All the best
Government could accomplish was the encouragment of
industry, providing for the security of person and property,
and encouraging the formation of those habits of industry
and virtue, which alone would be the source of the welfare
and prosperity either of individuals or the community.
But if this were the case, it was obviously impossible to
deal with the discontent which now prevailed in the
manner recommended to them, which they called taking a
large portion of the people into the pale of the Constitu-
tion, it could have no such effect. They now said they
were disappointed in the Reform Act, because it had not
worked the miracles just adverted to ; but must not the
consequences follow to the whole extent? They asked
that which amounted to no less than the entire subversion
of the Constitution of the country ; and would it not then
remain for those whose trade it was to play upon the pas-
sions, and mislead men to their ruin, to advise those mea-
sures and disturbed notions which they already expressed,
that every capitalist and man of property, ought to be re-
garded as an oppressor and enemy of the working man ?
Measures of this description, if carried, would be common
to all, but to the working classes more than any other.—
( Hear, hear.) But if this were a true description of the
actual portion of the country,—if this was the state
of that wide-spreading desire for changes which
were impracticable without extreme danger, and leading
to extreme confusion, surely common prudence would
teach them they ought most carefully to avoid any measure
which could encourage the expectation among the labour-
ing population of the country) of farther champs in the
Constitution, or which could lead them to distrust the per
formance of existing institutions; and here he could not
help observing to those Hon. Gentlemen who pressed for
a further measure of Reform in the Constitution of the
country, however unintentionally, that they played the game
of those parties who had very different designs.—( Hear,
hear.) He said so, because it was impossible they could
accomplish the object they had in view by any ether mean
than producing on the public mind the impression, that
Parliament, as now constituted, did not do its duty. The
first step was to pull down what now existed—to shake the
credit of the present institutions of the country in the minds
s

and in so saying" he claimed the indulgence of the House; 'of men, and thus prepare the way for further changes -
but he would state that the changes then in contemplation Hear, hear)—and as at the time of the Reform Bill they
presented no insuperable difficulty. It was to the Ad- were obliged to a certain extent to act with those who
ministration, taken as a whole, and the result of all had different ultimate objects to themselves, so
changes taken together, which determined him to take at this time those who now disclaim most seri-
the course he had adopted. After that letter, other cor- ously the objects of the Chartists, were, however
respondence followed, but not one of the objections unintentionally, co-operating with them.—(Hear, hear.)
I which he had himself raised were admitted to be valid ; But this was not all, nor perhaps the most serious con-
but measures to which he objected having been adopted, sideration. He thought of all evils which could most
he deemed it his duty to tender his resignation, which the seriously affect a country, perhaps the most serious was
(louse was aware had teen accepted. He had now stated im- frequent changes in the form of government in the distri-
perfectly, perhaps, but sincerely,the grounds of his conduct. bution of political power. He thought the recurrence of
Even at that time it was impossible for any man to regard such changes was, far more than the changes themselves,
the state of the country but with deep anxiety, if not ap- attended with evil. Every man who had considered
prehension. He certaLly did not anticipate the discontent the subject must be aware that time and prescription gave
which the public was aware existed in the institutions of the greatest strength to all Governments. Governments
the country among a large proportion of the working of all kinds rested ultimately on opinion, and man was so
population, would so soon break out in open revolt. He constituted that time and prescription had the strongest
had no idea the danger was at that time so imminent, but hold upon their minds and opinions. Frequent
at the same time it did appear to him that the kind of die- changes, therefore, of all things were most to
content he knew to prsvail could not long continue without be deprecated. He asked Hon. Members, who were
leading to serious omisequeacts—which made it neces- now calling for great and serious changes in the Reform
sary that the constitution of the Government Act, whether any one had been proposed of such a cha-
should net eneour.ige undefined expectations of reeler, that they might hope to take their stand upon it for
further changes in the Constitution. He was some years, and not be called upon to recommence where
not one of those who had ever argued that the Re- they had just discontinued. For instance, had they
form Bill was a final measure; on the contrary, he adopted the proposition of an Hon. Baronet last Session,
had always maintained no Parliament had' the power to of giving to the 101. occupiers in the country the same
pass any measure binding and conclusive on future Parlia- franchise as the 10/. householders possessed, would it
merits. The same right_ which the Parliament of 1631 have afforded the slightest prospect of an opportunity of
had to remodel the Constitution of the country the pre- pausing ? Would it not have been immediately used
sent one possessed, ~tl,l could not possibly divest itself of as an argument for still further changes? Suppose
it. He believed, also, that no Member of Parliament had they went to the extent of Household Suffrage
the right to divest himself of the power of considering at might not the same thing be said? would there not still,
some future time. i..e necessity of' any measure that might remain anomalies in the Constitution? would not there
was he weak enough to suppose stiil be small boroughs? And would there be, in any one of
this: a pt rtohpoo sietdofotonalerAnc;t,i;ii;r
not a final, was a perfect measure those changes, such a number of supporters, such a
—far from it. He was well aware that the Bill produced large class of persons, as would enable the House or the
)r the
is
of (
State, t, rdeihti, 1831, by his Noble Friend the Government to stand its ground ? He for one, and he
Secretaryi
not profess
to be a perfect measure, felt convinced almost every Member, must be aware that
(a
or to remove all anomalies in the representation, but pro- when once they embarked in changes of the description
ceeded on what seemed a wiser principle—that of carrying to which he had adverted, there was no point at which
change to the limit which necessity required. At the they could stop short of the reconstruction of the whole
same time, he was well aware the measure passed differed representative system upon the basis of numbers, and
essentially from that originally proposedeand had no hesita- numbers alone.—( Hear, bear, hear.) Gentlemen were
tion in saying he thought that change was greatly for the anxious for what was called Progressive Reform, and if
worse. Ho greatly lamented that the Reform Act, as first that was properly explained, he was as anxious for it as
submitted to the House, did not become the law of the any man. If they meant by Progressive Reform the most
lend, but having once passed, though confessedly impel-- searching reform—the improvement of the laws, the adop-
tect, for Parliament to attempt to improve it, in his pi. tion, of a more liberal commercial policy, the rendering of
nion, under the prcsnt circumstances of the country, tine administration of justice cheap—( Hear, hear)—the
would be al the highest degree inexpedient. He religious education and instruction of the people—if by
was always taught to believe that a change in the Progressive Reform they meant measures of that descrip-
Constitution of the country was no light matter. An al- tion there was no man more desirous than himself
teration in the distribution of political power, which af- for it.—( Cries of " Hear, hear.") Probably in stating this
tected the interests and passions of almost all classes of he carried his views on these points beyond that of many
society was not to be undertaken but under the pressure of Gentlemen with whom he had hitherto acted—but if by
great necessity. He remembered the arguments used by Progressive Reform was meant constant changes in the
Mr. Canning and others, that the existing representation constitution of the Lessislature, and constant alters-
ef the people worked well for the interests of the country. tions in the distribution of political power in the
If they could have established the fact. as the House of country, keeping it in a constant state of agitation,
Commons was then constituted, he should admit the force together with men's minds, so that they were never
of the argument. But looking at the state of the country brought to any knowledge of practical Reforms,
at. that time, the pauperism and many evils which then af - but their minds were absorbed by propositions of the kind
I.l;cted it, he believed their source might be traced to the he had adverted to, which transferred political power
conduct of the House of Commons, and that it was attri- from one class to another. If this was progressive
hutable to the preponderating influence of the small Reform, he ( Lord llowick) could conceive no greater
number of persons who returned Members to Parliament. curse to the country.—( Hear, hear.) He believed that
NS bile that state of things remained, it was impossible the :ttnong the qualities which rendered some Governments
conduct of those individuals should not operate prejudici- better calculated than others to promote the happiness
ally to the interests of the people at large. He be.ieved and welfare of the community, which, after ail, was the
while this state of things continued, a system of govern- great object which-ought not to be lost sight of„( Hear,
ment essentially corrupt must prevail. It was this convic- hear)—he believed, among all the qualities that made
tiun which made him an earnest, though humble supporter, some Governments better qualified for the great ends he had
of that great measure of Reform ; but he could not admit adverted to, nothing was of more importance than the sta-
that state of things existed. He thought that the work of bility of the form of their C
ionstitution.—(Hear, hear )
legislation had much advanced since the Reform Act. He b'rlieved it was that stability n its Cpnstitution which,
Those great measures which had been referred to by the through 150 years, in spite of all opposition,. enabled this.
Judge Advocate last night, were sufficient to prose the country to arriveh
‘at a pitchii (nificparrosEeearrrty)unHexcambpeleveind
advantage of the great'ineasure of Parliamentary Re- the history of t
our laws were stillmeans in their power, to die_
ad- that the true policyL wortho'sTwho wished Well to the work_
_ o_nsti-
fr
form.
dthatfie
much b a head"' beenthat manyde) ne, contendedgeatiemen that‘v more in g classes was, by every
of
• ctical improvements in tution, and to direct their attention to the practical reforms
more rapidly, and that many practical was required, that legislation ought to have proceeded. courage any expectation furth.er changesti in the. C •
needed. He did not contest that. fact, he adverted to.—( Hear, hear.) He ( Lord Howick) did
bzarose from the was
of the House of Commons. had been carried. on, it might not be expedient at some
ettwh.ihmatchhaelltdmented tat that fault, if fault it was, not mean to say that when the reform he had alluded to
age constitution
theH
mons to say what great measure's
Hon. Members
therew h owheerled
whichthose ohpaid-
taken future period,plaoo ia sin()e consequencety, t
o mmake
aof
correspondingchaiiges that might
changes
in
failed from not receiviug the support in that House which the the political institutions of the country.—( Hear, hear. )
people were disposed tri- give them ? He was convinced that He was not one that would be rash enough to assert that
House on the whole, not perhaps uniformly and Invariably, the time never would come when changes were neces-
but faithfully and fairly rstilected the sense of the majority sary ; but he was content to judge of the times he saw
of the educated and crib' htened classes of the community. ,nd at the present time, and in the present state of public
If there was any difference of opinion between the House opinion he was persuaded that it would be most injudi.
and the country, he was prepared to maintain the position Mous to make any alteration in the Constitution of the
that the House was in advance of the constituency it re- country.—( Hear, hear.) When he stated this he begged
presented. He thought this was its natural object, and it to be understood that he did not go further than his
that it was the duty of the House of Commons not only to Noble Friend, the Secretary of State for the Colonies,
represent, but instinct and lead public opinion. At pre- went in the statements he made last year with respect to
sent such was the cgs,, and thus Gentlemen who sat on the improv'eme'nt in the Reform Act No one was more
that side of the House such es the Hon. Member for anxious for improvement than himself in the Reform Act,
Liverpool, who stated ids great objects were a more liberal especially in the registration, an improvement in that re-
commercial tmlicy Tuore liberal educations of the sp et he was most anxious to see accomplished. He
people, would find themselves greatly deceived if they might be asked, if he allowed of improvements of this de-
expected that the House of Commons, more demo- scription, why he was not ready to assent to other
cratically composed, would be mire favourable toopinions &lenges in order to insure a modification of the existing
of that description. He also remembered that during the representation ; why lie would not consent to changes,
time of the Reform Act they used to be often cautioned i which, according to his own showing, were improvements?
against mistaking what was then called the (corms for the I In answer to that he would say, that the reason why he ob-
end. They were told that, after all, the object was not to jected to further change was, that he had accepted. the
get a perfect House of Commons, but good laws ; and Reform Act as a settlement of a disputed. question—
some of those persons were now urging great and further ( Hear, hear)—ani that if he once departed from what was
changes in the represent-.tion of the people. At that time then settled, though he light wish that some parts of that
they were counselled to malt and see what use the Govern- settlement had been different, lie c.,uld not foresee where
meat would make. of reformed House of Commons when he VMS to stop._( Hear, hear.) lie could not consent
they got it. It seemed to him that it would be a great to attempt to pass constitutional reforms until he saw a
error if they .were to postpone useful legislation for the I great necessity, and some fair prospect of having some de-
purpose of endeavouring to maintain a better. During finite change upon which he might rest.—(Hear, hear.)
the progreis of ref;niation all legislation was at He had thought it necessary thus to state his views upon
a stand. Good laws and government were ! this important subject, because he could not deny the ma-
only desirable as they promoted the happiness of the terial effect that was made on his mind by the arrange-
great body of the peo;ae, but these great changes did in- inenti of the Government—made during the
aid
autumn.
terfere with 7.11 class..., of the community. All ranks of But let his meaning not be mistaken. He old not mean
the body politic were disturbed, and suffered on such oc- to imply, or insinuate, in the slightest degree, that the