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i'itealr-rate Act had also worked well in general. Ho was
kr, convinced that the Irish laneilords would show, if any
Asures was proposed, that they were not the selfish body they
_ fie represented to be. Ile way as rarei opposed to repeal
81% any bctly could be—but whatever the Irish landlords were,
it Ras that House which had made them that —(Hear, hear. )
4 Ireland :lax be in a very pr;sitia,a, had it
not been for a continued course of bad legislation.
Sir H. WINSTON BARRON observed, that despite all
that had been said, the landlords and poor-law guardians had
done their duty further than might have been expected, under
111 circumstances. The workhouses had been overloaded to
tae danger of the inmates, every man, woman and chile, who
tad applied for admission had been admitted, and it was dis-
graceful for men who knew nothing of the country to bring
forward the mendacious charges which had b •en brought
forward. in that House against the Irish landlords
Ind the boards of guardians, who had given contrary
law out-door relief, and had trusted to that House
t°
indemnify them for their conduct after, what would the
Rouse tell him if he told them that the resolution which had
teen submitted to them as a resolution of the board of
Guardians was a report from the Jahn Ball newspaper, an ob.
it!_aree London newspaper, which had no reporter present at the
'm • They chimed as a right, so long as they remained a
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t,.. as the joint representatives of a portion of
• British people, and ask the House to assist
them in this extraordinary emergency. He told the
'louse that it was their duty to respond to the call and
insist Ireland as if it were in Yorkshire or Scotland. The
British Exchequer ought to come to the relief of the distress ;
I now that it was admitted that Ireland was a portion of the
British empire, let him not hear of taunts of English capital
Ind English liberality. Did nut Ireland pay taxes? Did it
par- Excise and Custom's duties more than any other king-
dom of the same wealth end extent in the empire? But if
t"1-'5' were not to apply to the British Parliament,
whom could they apply ? But if application be
refused would not Ireland have a right to say, " let us try and
manage for ourselves." Let him hear no more then of these
insults upon Ireland. The Irish landlords had done their duty
to the most exemplary manner, but there might be exceptions,
and that assertion he did not far a moment pretend to deny.
Two names had been mentioned. One was that of the Earl of
'neon, and it was said that nobleman had not paid the poor-
Wes. Now, this rumour arose from the baneful middleman
IYltere, for, in point of fact, at the present mo-
ment Lord Lucan was maintaining two workhouses
at his own expense. He trusted that he should hear no more
of these taunts and insinuations. They were barring the door
t°,_ English charity, and the result would be that the great and
charitable people of this country would hesitate to some for-
ward with their general liberality, it they were told that the
distress was produced by the neglect of the landlords.—( Hear,
"Liz.) Great mischief had been awed oat of doors by these
!Ltsertions, and he trusted after that night the Home would
hear no more of them.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL said they were now propoe!ng
to go into Committee, for the purpose of considering
measures for relieving the distress of the Irish people,
in a manner which, in the opinion of the Government, was
better calculated 'to effect that object than the plans now in
operation.—( Hear, hear.) Now, he did hope the House would
not entirely forget circumstances, and ,waste time upon sub-
jects which could be hereafter more opportunely discussed.—
(Loud cheers.) If, in the opinion of the Committee, the Bill
Was the best calculated to promote the immediate object they
had in view, then surely it would be a great advantage to
enable Parliament to pass it without waiting to discuss points
which must again be re-opened.—( Hear, hear, and cheers. )
He should be glad not to say one more word
upon the subject of Irish landlordism, but his Hon. Friend,
who had just sat down, not satisfied with defending Irish land-
lands, thought fit to attack gentlemen who were, and certainly
Out to be, dear to him, namely, his tone ituents.—(Hear, and
laughter.) The Hun. Gentleman was pleased to state that it
was owing to the monied interests, or some tricking system
connected with them, that gave rise to certain taunting insin-
uations connected with the Irish landlords ; now he could not
pretend to say whether it was or not, but this he could
tell his Honourable Friend, that about a month ago.
some dozen or sa of gentlemen who were principally con-
nected
with the monied interest of the city of Loncon, who
had no property in Ireland, and perhaps did not wish to have
any -(A laugh)—nor in any way connected with Ireland, met
for the purpose of raising a subscription in aid of the Irish
People. They subscribed a very large sum indeed—some of
them to the extent of a 1,0001. each, but they were net satis-
fied with doing this, but, though occupied as they were from
morning until four o'clock in the afternoon, they met shortly
alter that hoar for the purpose of receiving subscriptions,
conducting a correspondence, and distributing the funds, in a
Manner which they considered to be most useful to the Irish
tople.—(Cheers.) With relsrd to the duties of the
ritialt public, upon which the Hon. Gentleman had laid
so much stress, he begged to call to the recollection of the
Hon. Gentleman, that whether the sum had been rightly
distributed or not, or whether that Act which authorised its
distribution was wise or not, or whether it had been properly
administered or not, there was this fact before them, that
within the last month not less than a million of money had
gone out of the Imperial Exchequer for the purpose of alle-
viating Irish distress.—(Cheers.) In the course of the
Present session of Parliament much discussion had
taken place on the subject of Ireland, and during the
Whole of that discussion he had not heard any one deny
that the money had been extravagantly or improperly
voted, considering the great calamity which visited
the sister kingdom.—(Cheers.) That calamity, it was true,
was unprecedented, and when it should be shown that for the
Purpose of mitigating the distress unprecedently large sums of
money had been voted by the British Parliament, no one
could possibly have reason to complain •f a want of sympathy
on the part of the people of England, or the Government.—.
(Cheers.) He aimitted that no large amount of blame could
be thrown on the Irish landlords, considering the difficulty
they had bad to contend with, but still leaving that matter out
of the question, he thought the best example they could
follow was to go immediately into Committee, and leave that
Matter for discussion when the other questions came before the
House.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. STEWART said, that notwithstanding what had fallen
from the Noble Lord, it would be disgraceful to Ireland if
Irish Alembers were to sit still and hear Irish landlords at-
tacked in the manner they have been. They have done ail
they could to relieve the distresses of the people, and he hoped
England would treat the taunts thrown out with the contempt
they deserved.
Mr. SHARMAN CRAWFORD was sorry to detain the
"louse, but there were some observations which had been made
in the course of the debate which rendered it necessary he
should trouble the House for a few moments. It had been
said that Ireland could not afford to pay the rates ;
be denied it, and while he called upon England to assist Ire-
land in her present emergencies, the last shilling he possessed
should be responsible for the loans this country might advance.
—( Hear, hear.) The distress of Ireland had been occasioned
by a defective landlord and tenantcy law, and he hoped to see the
day when the rates would be divided between the landlord and
the tenant, and a jurisdiction given to the Court of Exchequer
in the shape of a power to appoint, and receive, aad to enforce
Palatine from the former.
Lut BERNARD wished to pay a just and merited emnpli!
sant to the conduct of Sir W. Beeehsv, whose conduit
awn se vomit iMpugnitd by Hon. Members. Be bad bsdthe
most tenons &Acuities to contend with, and had sated throng's-
out with the utmost good judgment, and with the grossest abi-
lities. The distress of Ireland was not confined to the rural
districts ; suffering and distress ot the most serious nature
existed in the rounty of Cork, the second city of Ireland.
Mr. RICE thought that the people of England would re-
quire and justly so, a proper security for the re-payment of the
sums advanced to Ireland. He did not wish to see any
aspersions thrown upon the Irish landlords. What he wished
to see thrown upon them was the duty of supporting the
poverty of the country. The greatest credit was due to the
Government for proposing such a measure as the present cal-
culated as it was to afford relief to the people of Ireland.
Mr. JOHN O'BRIEN was quite surprised to hear such
charges as bad been made against Captain Wynne or any
other officer of the body. He was present at the meeting re-
ferred to, and he was sure that nothing had passed there to
justify such a charge, and he wished it was in his power to
speak ot the conduct of the other officers in the same terms as
that of Captain Wynne.
The House then went into Committee on the Bill.
After a few words from Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN, and the
CHANOELLon of the EXCHEQUER, the purport of which was
inaudible in the gallery.
Colonel CONNOLLY said that in his opinion it would be
found to be quite impracticable to carry out his provision of
this clause under the control of boards of guardians, especially
when the great extent of some of the electoral districts was
considered.
Mr. F. FRENCH thought the most advisable course would
be to allow the Government to take their own course, and agree
at once to this clause.
Mr. ROSS feared that some confusion would hereafter rise
between the different unions of the country and the electoral
districts, the effect of which would be found to be to throw
unjustly the whole pauper population of the electoral districts
into one union.
Mr. WILLIAMS thought that better security would be
afforded for the repayment of the advances if the whole extent
of the unions were to be held liable, and he hoped that the
Government would adhere to the principle contained in the
clause before the committee. It was but fair to the people •f
England that the best security should be taken for the repay-
ment of the advances about to be made. He made no objection
to assist Ireland. The Government would, however, be held
respensible by the people of England for the measures they had
now introduced.
Mr. M. OiFERRAL rose to order. The question before
the House was, the apportionment of the charges between the
union and the several electoral districts.
After a few words from Mr. WILLIAMS in reply,
Mr. STAFFORD O'BRIEN thought that the whole di-
rection should be left altogether in the Board of Guardians, and
that the system of rating should be left as it is at present. He
would therefore move that the clause should be expunged.
Mr. MORE O'FERR AL hoped the Hon. Member would
not press his amendment to a division. The present mode of
rating was utterly inefficient, and if new powers were not given
it would be impossible to relieve the distress which so exten-
sively prevailed. He should therefore support the clause.
Sir DEN HAM NORREYS supported the clause.
SirIANIES GRAHAM would have arisen at an earlier
stage of the discussion, taut for a deep conviction he enter-
tained that no time should be lost by introducing any topic
which might lead to any discussion, and that the measure
should proceed with as little delay as possible. The principle
carried out in the present measure was one of very great im-
portance ; and he would observe, in conformation of what had
been said by the Right Honourable Gentleman who had just
sat down that a great change had been made in
the Irish poor-law in 1843. He had the honour then to in-
troduce a measure which met with the support of the Irish
Members, and passed the House, in which it was provided,
" that no person who should net have occupied a tenement in
an electoral division for the period of twelve months, or the
greater portion of that time, or should have slept for that
period, or the greater part of it, in an electoral divisio
then, s
contrary
that all who did not occupy tenements for that space of time,
should be relieved by the union. That was something like a
law of settlement, and in the latter case, the cost was defrayed
by the union, and not by the electoral division. It was then
of the last importance however to keep those measures which
were intended for a temporary purpose separate from those
that were intended to be permanent. Reserving, therefore,
for further discussion, whether relief to the able-bodied should
be at the expense of the union, or the electoral division, be
should say that it was most desirable to confine themselves at
present to the temporary measure. It was not whether
the discretionary power should be vested in the Poor-law Com-
missioners, or in the Poor-law Guardians. This was not
the object of the Bill, but whether a relief committee sit-
ting in Dublin, appointed by the Lord Lieutenant. and corres-
ponding with the poor-law guardians, should be vested with
these powers. He feared that by the present system of elec-
toral divisions, it would be found that even in ordinary times
the burden of the poor-rates fell with intolerable pressure upon
the poor tenants, and if so, what must they not 6;s pect at pre-
sent ? Very many of these districts were nearly overwhelmed,
and he heard, with all the assistanee which might be rendered
to them, they would End it difficult to sustain themselvesunder
the pressure. What was the present state of Irel ind ? There
were at that moment 580.000 persons employed upon the pub-
lic work), which were supported by advances from Govern-
ment, the were to be repaid by rates levied from the electoral
districts. It was of the last importanee that they should care-
fully consider this matter. These persons were the tillers of
the soil of Ireland. Now, it was well known
_that seed time

was fast approaching, and though it was a little later than in
this country, it generally was not deferred beyond March or
April, and they were now far advanced in the month of February,
And those 7ho were now employed in the Wile
works must resume their usual occu, view., prepare the
ground, procure the seed, end sow the seed—all within the
eel ten Teel:T. It belsere4 them, therefore, to teke care legit
the present state of Ireland would be only a prelude to a worse
hereafter. He sincerely hoped that the measures proposed by
Government would be successful in meeting the emergency,
and that the 580,000 men who were now diverted from their
usual occupations would resume them again. A great effort was
now being made ; the cost of it would he great and the burden
would be heavy, if not intolerable. He was disposed to adopt
the view of the Honourable Member for Kerry, anil to
support the clause as it now stood, as he did not believe
that the amendment of the Hon. Member for Northampton-
shire would be expedient under the circumstances in which Ire-
land was placed. If the rates, according to the former Hon.
Gentleman, were likely to be so difficult of collection in unions,
he considered that the difficulty would be consideraWy aug-
mented if they ware levied from electoral divisions He would,
therefore, support the clause.
Mr. SHAW hoped that his Hon. Friend would withdraw
his amendment. He considered that he (Mr. O'Brien) would
not be testing the principle fairly by pressing it to a division.
The proposed measure was a temporary one, and though he
would not object to the principle as appl,ed to this measure, he
would support the union relief when the Poor-law came under
discussion. The Hon. Gentleman defended the landlords from
the charges made against them.
Mr. LABOUCHERE wished to say one word. There
could be go doubt but many districts would be found to be
under a great pressure if they were compared with the destitu-
tion which they were called upon to relieve. And if that was
the case with unions it was still more so within electoral divi-
sions. He hoped the discussion would continue no
longer, for it was essential that there should be as little
delay as possible in coming to a decision on this measure.
The House would not be at all precluded, by any vote to which
they might come on that occasion, from taking other statements
with regard to the more grave and permanent measures which
would shortly come on for discussion. It was vitally important
that no delay should take place in passing the measure into
a law.
Mr. SMITH O'BRIEN said, if his Hon. Friend went to a
division, that he should support his proposition.
Mr. D. BROWNE opposed the amendment because it
would throw a great additional burden upon small towns, and
because the rates ought to be spread over large, instead of
small, districts, in order more fairly to apportion them.
Mr. STAFFORD 014RIEN said the electoral districts
were frequently inconveniently large. lie believed that the
reduction of them would make the rates more easy of itoUntion„
and induce the proprietors of the soil to take more care of the
poor in their districts. As, however, Irish Members did not
generally object to the clause, he did not feel justified is press-
ing the amendment to a division.
Mt B. OSBORNE expressed his opinion that the whole
Bill Would turn out a failure, and that the Government, when
this took place, would come down to the House with the old
story, and attribute it to a want of co-operation.
After some further discussion the amendment was negatived
without a division, and the clause was adopted, as also was
clause 13.
On clause 14 being proposed,
Mr. HAMILTON said, he for one was willing to have Ire-
land taxed as mach as she could conveniently bear, for the
support of her own poor.
Lord CLEMENTS said that it was useless to ask the Irish
landlords to pay back the money about to be granted, unless the
House gave them the means. —(Laughter.) Let him not be
misunderstood—he did not ask for money—(Hear)—but when
they came to consider that two millions of acres
in Ireland were held in joint tenantcy, they would find
that it was an impossibility to repay the money, unless the
Government, or that House gave them the control of their
own property. The system of abuse and half defence, to
which the Irish landlords had been exposed, excited his con-
tempt equally—for he did say that there was not a class of
men to be found any where, as a body, more willing to perform
their duties than the Irish landlords.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK said that having arrived at that stage of
the debate, he thought it the duty of the Minister to deal
with the House of Commons as it ought to be dealt with.
The Minister had laid the Bill upon the table of tha House, it
had been read twice, and was then in committee. They had
been disposing of the measures by which they were to apportion
the relief to be granted, and as they were now about to
approach that most important of all subjeots—money—he
thought some explicit explanation of what they were about to
do was due to the House. They were told that they were
about to do something, but what that something was
they did not know. Now this was not a state of things which
should, or ought to exist. By the 17th clause, certain grants
of money had been made. He wanted to know if it was in
the recollection of any Member of the House—he did not care
how old he might be—even he would ask his Hon. Friend-the
Member for Montrose, if it came within his experience that
a Chancellor of the Exchequer should come down to the House
to demand money without explaining how he meant to procure
it ?—( Hear, hear.) if the Right Hon. Gentleman were to
say, then, that he was about to raise it by an increase of the
income tax, would there not be a flame from one end of the
kingdom to another ?
Mr. SHAW—No.
Mr. ROEBUCK—It would not with Irish Members, be-
cause they did not pay that tax.—( Hear, hear.) But what
was the Chancellor going to do? He considered that it was
really an act of injustice to the people of England, who were
to pay this money, if they were kept in ignorance of the means
by which it was to be obtained, or how much was to be
granted. What he wanted to known then was, what was
the sum to be given; he did not wish to
tie the Right Hon. Gentleman to any particular sum ? He
would repeat the question—he wanted to know the sum of the
expense which would be required to meet the present emer-
gency? It was a fair question, and he would expect an explicit
answer.—( Hear, hear.) One of the great obligations of the
office of Chancellor of the Exchequer was to give an explicit
statement of the expenditure, and to deal fairly with the House.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that
upon no occasion whatever had lie declined to give the required
answer. He only begged to say that he never put the question
before to him, nor had he acted in any manner to warrant the
mode in which the question bad been put. He had not the
slightest difficulty in stating what had been the sum of money
advanced by the Exchequer from February to September last.
—(Hear, hear.) It bad been two millions. The presentment
sessions had presented for 6,000,0001., that was the sum which
the landlords of Ireland had taken upon themselves to pay.
The amount to be granted by the present Bill was 300,000/.,
and not more, to be paid out of the consolidated fund. Any
future sums the Government might require would be voted in
Committee.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. ROEBUCK disclaimed any intention of being offen-
sive to the Right Hon. Gentleman. He had only asked a
simple question, and he must have an answer. He asked him
the probable expenditure under the present Bill, and he was
answered with reference to another Bill which they would have
to discuss, and which bad nothing to do with the present
Emotion. in* Ri ht Ross. Geotienian said that he intended
to limit the •to 300,000 L He would call the at-
tention of the Right Hon. Gentlest= to the 14th clause,
ered the Commissioners to came to be issued.
from
time to time, any ram or sums of mosey they might
think Is. No sum was named. He waisted to know from the
Right Hon. Gentleman if he had made any calculation of the
probable expenditure of this country in maintaining the people
of Ireland, as long as the Bill was in operation. The Right
Hon. Gentleman had not given that answer, he had merely
given a technical reply. The House would have to vote in the
dark for large sums to be granted to Ireland ; and after that
they would have gentlemen in Conciliation Hall talking
of the advantage of separation. However, from the
speech of the Honourable Member for Cork, it appeared
that they would make a despotism of the Government
of this country, if they could take as much
money as they thought fit. The Chancellor of the Exchequer
was asking money to relieve the Irish, and it was clear either
that he had not made any calculation as to its amount, or if he
had made it—he thought that too large an amount to tell at
the present moment.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that a
few days since a Bill had passed that House limiting for the
present the advance from the Consolidated Fund to 300,000/.
The House at present was pledged to nothing more than that
sum. With regard to any further liabilities he had already
said that that day fortnight it would be his duty to make a
statement to the House.
Mr. S. O'BRIEN said that no explanation had been given
as to the mode in which the 580,000 people at present at work
on the roads were to be taken off them and otherwise more ad.
vantageonsly employed.
Mr. F. FRENCH fully agreed with the Hon. Member for I
Bath in the important question which he had put to the Hon.
Gentleman. All Members of that House must feel the im-
portance
of the query made, bat it was impossible for any
Gentleman in the House to deem the answer given as a satis-
factory one. In form:ng any estimate of the probable expen-
diture, it must be considered that many auxiliary measures
were to be brought into operation, and it would be necessary
firstto determine the amount of the population to be employed,
and that amount must necessarily be regulated by the effect of
the other measures to be embodied, so, therefore, it was im-
possible, or nearly se, to give to the Hon. Member definite
or satisfactory information on a question so materially affecting
the Exchequer of England.
After some further conversation,
Mr. E. DENISON said that he wished to ask a question of
some importance to the Government. With reference to the
Poor-law Bill as proposed for Ireland, it seemed.to be an un-
derstanding with the Irish Members that this Bill was to be
resisted to the utmost. He had also heard statements, both in
and out of the House, as to the intentions of the Government
with reference to this Bill, and he should, therefore, respect-
fully ask the Right Hon. Gentleman at the bead of the Home
Department to give the House an assurance of the intentions
of the Government as to the course to be pursued by them
with regard to this measure.
Sir GEORGE GREY said that his Hon. Friend asked an
extraordinary question. It certainly was the intention of Go-
vernment to proceed with this Bill, and that was the first time
he had heard even a surmise as to its not ing proceeded with.
Mr. SHAW complained of the aspersion caste upon the
landlords of Ireland. They were as anxious to do all they
could for the relief of the distress around them ; in many
cases they had gone further than in common prudence they
ought. He desired to know what course the Hon. Member
for Bath wished the Government to pursue. Were they to
leave the Irish people to starve, for that was what his remarks
tended to ? This was a great and awful calamity—a national
calamity—which had overtaken them. and it ought to be met
by the national resources. if the Irish landlords were as bad
as they were represented, were the Irish people to starve for
their conduct?—(Hear.) The Chancellor of the Exchequer
could not tell what sum he wanted. He would want a large
sum of money, and he (Mr. Shaw) could see no particular ob-
jectem iane,theexeceoputrsee;mtapkiyen by the Honourable and Learned Gen-
deeivnera to impede the measure—(Hear, hear)—
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fair way to ask the ques-
tion.—( Hear, hear.) Was that au honest way to ask the
question ; or he supposed that that was the way the Hon.
ember acted as a judge ?—( Cries of oi
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wish the Irish people to starve ?—( Hear, hear.)
One Gentle-
man said, " Hear, hear," another said " Yes," and a third cried
that it was the proper way to put the question. He would tell
them what he did want the Government t the
Government do. He wanted
Government of England to provide an efficient means of pro-
viding the people of Ireland the means of preventing them
from starving, hut, to so doing to pledge all the property of Ire-
land—( Hear, hear)—for the repayment of the debt. When
the Hon. Gentleman talked to men of common prudence,
of the gentlemen of Ireland presenting more than in common
prudence they ought, he had always been told, in the course
of that debate, that such instances were rare. He was anxious
that the people of Ireland should not only have a provision now,
but hereafter. They ought to provide for the poor, but while
they did so, they should take care that not one farthing went
into the pockets of the landlords. He had a right to look to
the poor of both countries, and he was prepared to give to the
poor of Ireland full and generous subsistence, but he would
give none whatevar to the Irish landlords.
An Hos Alxiinea—No one wants you.
Mr. ROEBUCK—Then, what was all this commotion
about ? The Hon Member said the distress was a national
calamity ; another. said something else, and that they should

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tax the whole British empire to meet it. But what he (Mr.
Roebuck) said was, that no exertion of theirs would efficiently
meet the evil, except a stringent poor-law, and he knew that
that was most distasteful of all things to the Irish landlords,—
( Hear, hear.) He bad now, he trusted, given a full and ex-
plicit answer to the Hon. and Learned Member for the Uni-
versity of Dublin. In conclusion, this was what be wanted—.
he wanted to pledge the property of Ireland for she support of
the Irish poor.
Mr. BELLEW looked upon the calamity which had over-
taken Ireland, and the measures to relieve it, as distinct from
measures for the permanent improvement of the country.
They were distinct matters, and should not be mixed up
Loget her. He maintained the calamity was one that should be
met by national exertions, as it could not be met by the exer-
tions of the Irish landlords or the people of Ireland. What-
ever the Irish landlords might deserve, it would be most unjust
to place all the burden upon them, as bad been suggested by
the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath. He candidly told
that Hon. Member that a great portion of the money advanced
would never be paid back by the landlords, nor could they be
expected under the circumstances to do so.
Mr. HUME said the real question they had to consider,
was, the amount of money they should require under
these Bills. He thought the Chancellor of the Exchequer had
answered the question fairly, though he (Mr. Hume) consi-
dered some fuller information should have been given as to the
ulterior measures of the Government. His only fear was, that
after these measures were carried into effect, the people of Ire-
land would be as badly off as ever.—( Cries of p` No, no.")
He maintained such was his opinion, as a great deal of the
money already expended had been spent in a most injurious
manner. Ile considered some measure should be agreed to by
which facilities could be afforded for the transference of property
in Ireland. Were that done, he was sure capital would flow
into Irclund, and the people be employed in the ordinary man-
ner. He thought the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath
deserved praise instead of blame for the way he had brought
the question before the notice of the House. No satisfaction,
he was persuaded, would be given to the people of England
until a large and comprehensive measure was introduced to
sleet the present state of Ireland.
Lord JOHN MANNERS was of opinion that were the
plan of the Hon. and Learned Member for Bath carried into
effect, the condition of the people of Ireland would not be
much better. That Hon. and Learned Gentleman, it seemed,
had but one plan, which was to mortgage the whole of the
property of Ireland for the support of the poor, a measure
which. if carried out at once, would be very far from meeting
the difficulties of the case. He protested against the senti-
ments of the Hon. and Learned Member u being considered
the honest sentiments of the people of England.
Mr. ROEBUCK called the attention of the Noble Lord to
the fact that similar sentiments to those he bad expressed had
been enunciated by Hon. Members on his side of the House.
Dr. BOWRING said the real question was not the ;Present
state of Ireland, but its future welfare. It was the ultimate
improvement of that country that the Hon. and Learned
Member fur Bath looked to, in the objection he bad taken to
the present measures before the House. They were going on
voting one sum of money after another, putting off the evil
day, but they presented no comprehensive scheme for the per-
manent welfare and elevation of the sister country. It would
not do to be voting large sums of money away without such
grants resulting in an improvement in the general condition
of the people. They should look more closely into the state
of Ireland, and see whether the money was likely to be pro-
perly applied or not. Above all, they should give the poor of
Ireland a right of relief from the property of that country.
Sir CHARLES NAPIER considered that the absentee
landlords, heldwdohfuo Ireland,
iieta htimmenseouthgeh tpptrrhoeaps
that
present
ittni e
moment
hoien m
eexnr ett aa
Nolnd,rod nwl
eaerLryeo
ernd;ti or,
do theirs
and Hon. Gentlemen, who held enormous estates in that
country, should sacrifice their own pleasures and comforts in
London to reside there, ao as to administer to the poor people,
who were starving. It was not necessary for him to say that
the agent could not supply their place. Let them take the case
of a country town in England and the principal resident
gentlemen are absentees. The artisans in that town were
quite neglected, and the business of the place went
to decay. Let them suppose that the Duke of
Devonshire, the Marquis of Lansdowne, and the
other rich proprietors were going to Ireland—would any one
tell him that that was not a proper way to alleviate the mise-
ries which at present existed there? He did say that they
were called upon to relieve Ireland. He said it was not pos-
sible for them as men, as Christians, to live in comfort and see
and hear of men, and women, and children starving in the
ditches of Ireland. They had been told by an Hon. Member
between two millions were dying throughout Ireland, and he
thought that some speedy means should be taken to prevent
this calamity.
Lord CLENIENTS would take the liberty of correcting a
little misapprehension on the part of the Hon. and Gallant
Member who had last spoken. He (Lord Clemente) did not
doubt that the Irish landlords were most anxious to do their
duty towards their tenantry, but what he complained of
was, that the Government made an effort, by the passing
of vigorous measures, to draw out the resources of the country.
I hold in my hind a return, showing that not less than 219,219
persons are charged rates, whieh are paid by the lessor. Now,
this was a state of things monstrous in itself, and it was ren-
dered yet worse by the fact, that these lessors were paid no
rents.
Mr. BERNAL said that the Hon. and Gallant Member's
observations were likely to throw upon a highly respectable
and most praise-worthy class—the absentee landlords of Ire-
land—a degree of public 'odium which was altogether unde-
served.— (Hear, hear, and laughter.) He contended that these
gentlemen did their duty to their tenantry, and he could in-
stance the case of one nobleman, whose rents in Ireland were
stated to be 30,000/., but he did not receive his rents, and he
spent all his money on his estates in that country.—(Laugh-
ter.) He was not at liberty to mention that gentleman's
name, but he was sufficiently known by his truly generous and
noble character.
Sir CHARLES NAPIER explained. He had said, and he
would repeat his expressions, that it would be better for the
absentee landlords, for the Duke of Devonshire, the Marquis
of Lansdowne, and other great proprietors, if they in the
present alarming state of Ireland were themselves to visit
their estates, and see the necessities of the starving poor at-
tended to, instead of trusting them to the tender mercies of
their agents.
After a few words from Mr. ROSS,
The clause was agreed to.
Clause 16 was then agreed to.
On clause 17 being proposed, it was agreed that it be
postponed till the subsequent clause., referring to the same
topic, should be proposed.
Clause 18 was then agreed to.
On clause 10 being proposed.
Mr. SHAW would wish that the clause should not be so
stringent as it now stood.
Sir G. GREY did not exactly understand to what terms the
the Hun. Gentleman referred.
Mr. SHAW said it was the latter part of the clause, which
referred to the necessity for preventing any tradesman who
might have a beneficial interest in the operation of the Act,
from being engaged in the provision of food.
After a few wards from Colonel Rawdon, Mr. M. J. Con-
nell,
and Mr. H. Grattan,
Mr. SHAW left the matter to the ooaxideration of the
Goveentnent ;
anduirethtuniceodclawe:ttehwterbseetagre:ll74idluseso. y
primal=
for
Clauses 20 to 23 were passed.
The Mr. HHIIIIIrEti!met
the repayment of the money ?
Sir R. FERGUSON wished to know whether there was
any means provided for the difficulty of providing the money.
Sir G. GREY said that the only difficulty was in paying
the interest, not in borrowing the money from the Treasury.
Mr. HUME wished to know why there should be any
alteration in the terms of clause.
Sir G. GREY thought that the better plan would be to
take the consideration on the bringing up of the report.
Mr. EVELYN DENISON said that the granting of us.
limited grants from the Treasury ought always to be avoided,
and in the terms of which he had given notice, he thought
that some limitation ought to be placed on these grants. The
House had nothing like a full statement laid before it of the
production of Ireland. If he understood rightly a great
portion of the country was occupied for grazing purposes,
and it appeared from the report of Captain Barclay,
which was made on the 16th of October last year, that
butter, of which a great quantity was exported from
Ireland, was formerly sold at 60s. or 70s. a cwt., was now sell-
ing at 935. If this were the case, many parts of Ireland were
well able to support themselves, and they would be only de-
luding themselves and deceiving their constituents if they
passed the Bill in its present state. He wished to say only a
few words, and would conclude by moving the adoption of the
terms of which he had given notice, and he should, there-
fore, move the adoption of those terms, and called upon the
House to support it. The Hon. Gentleman then moved—
" That in no case shall the sum so advanced by the Commis-
sioners of her Majesty's Treasury exceed the sum raised by
rate or voluntary contribution within the union or electoral
division.
Mr. LABOUCHERE trusted that his Hon. Friend would
consider the painful position in which the Government would
be placed if his proposition were adopted. He quite agreed in
the truth that it was always inadvisable that grants from the
Consolidated Fund, should be made without seine limitation ;
but he should recollect that this was a Bill for the relief of the
destitute poor, and it should be recollected also what a painful
situation they would be placed in, if they could not relieve the
destitute poor. This was only a temporary measure, and he
was very unwilling to fetter the power of the Government in
granting this relief. It would save the Irish Government
from any such responsibility if this Bill was left as it
is, but it would, under the circumstances, be most inadvisable
to fetter the Government by any such restriction. There
were many parts of Ireland which, under any circumstances,
would be unable to support themselves ; and these were the
people who were in a state of starvation. The whole benefit
of the Act would be lost, and he should, therefore, oppose the
motion.
Mr. GRAINGER certainly thought that no such monies
should be granted, unless at least some portion of the poor-rate
were raised for the relief of the poor. He wished to know
whether it was the intention of Government at all to restrict
these advances, unless some such condition as that were
imposed.
rsedGEORGE GREY—Certainly not. It would in every
gwayenr e b inadvisable.
po s itio n ,
right, nevertheless,
to
Mr. l
Eop
. pEr NSed with his
have any desire tohefethuttoerottheit Go-
vernmentbut
t ion
Ho. ,
use that the Member for
Limerick (Mr. S. O'Brien ) had stated that ne one could be
sure that the same distress would not occur next year, and that
some restriction therefore was evidently necessary. He would,
Ie o
toN remind s unwilling, in the face of such a
i m
the
however, withdraw this motion.
Mr. GRAINGER then gave notice, that on the hi.'l •
up of the report he should move for the adoption of a clause
restricting the advance of any sums from the Consolidated
Fund, until at least one half of the amount for the relief of the
poor had been raised from the poor-rate.
The remaining clauses were then agreed to.
The House resumed ; the report of the Committee was
brought up, and ordered to be received to-morrow. ,
BREWING FROM SUGAR BILL
On the motion of the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHE-
QUER, the order of the day for going into Committee on this
Bill was read.
Mr. MILES regretted
The that the
experiments
made, under the superintendence of the Excise, showed that
the use of sugar in breweries would act perniciously towards
the agricultural interest. Taking the price of burl 3, at be-
tween 325. and affii. per quarter, and adding to that ;rice the
sum of 245. for the duty and the expense of malting, that
would give 565., and 645. for the price of malt. Now, when
malt was 565., the equivalent in the price of sugar
would be 341. 11d. • when at 645. the price
which '
order to
sugar should be, in be equivalent
a withm e
measure
e pricew ouol
would,
,mal
therefore,t, wo u
l be
prove 3
injurious9s.9d.Tthoetheeffegerte sueagri-
cultural interests of the country. He pressed on the Govern-
ment the propriety of making this a temporary measure, for
he feared that its operation must prove most injurious. He
regretted that more inquiry had not been made with regard to
its probable effect both on the colonies and the agricultural in-
terest ; and he trusted that in the other House it would
be subjected to that analysis and investigatien, which sould
show its practical working. He would, however, offer
position to the progress of the Bill.
Mr. JAMES saw no reason why the Legislature should
attempt to prohibit the colonial proprietor from selling his pro-
duce in any manner most beneficial to him. He believed that,
with regard to beer, a very little barley mixed with some
sugar would make a better, a more healthy, and a snore

palatable article than that manufactured from barley, alone.
He hoped her Majesty's Government would not -yield to the
interested clamour of the Scotch and Irish distillers, in their
outcry in the rednetion of the difr-renti-1 duties. The
colonies had non to comrete with the slave countries, and he
therefore thought that the differential dutiss should no lont;er
be kept up, but such was the outcry, and such was the inllu-
enee of the Irish and Scotch di iiie s, thtt the
Chancellor of the Exchequer still proposed to con-
tinue a duty of 6d. per gallon against the colonial proprietor.
The measures, however, taken as a whole, were a great boon
to the public, and he begged to tender his thanks to her Ma-
jesty's Government for having brought them forward.
Mr. FINCH objected to the principle of the Bill, but would
not oppose it in its present form. He apprehended, however,
that it would not confer any great advantage upon the public.
For instance, he had been informed that sugar had increased
Id. a pound that day; so that if it increased in price as the
price of the beer fell, no great advantage would be conferred
upon the public. The want of protection to native
produce had produced, and was producing the re-
sults which had been anticipated, and the colonial
interests, should therefore join the agricultural interests to en •
deavour to obtain that protection which they had lost. He
thought tgey ought to get ri,i of the principle of free trade, so
far as foreign sugar was concerned. What the agricultural in-
terest bad to fear was the low price of sugar which would take
place in accordance with the measures of last year, and the
competition which would be thereby induced between it
and barley. It was the duty also of the Irish members to join
them to regain that protection which they had lost in con-
sequence of their dereliction.
Mr. M. MILNES wished to know whether the Govern.
ment would consider it consistent with their duty to recom-
mend a reduction of the penalties imposed on those using
liquorice juice—( Laughter.) It was used very much in private
breweries, and in many instances, he was sorry to say, illicitly.
Such a reduction would be of the utmost advantage to the
liquorice growers in Yorkshire and Essex.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought it
inadvisable to hold out a premium for the introduction of a
noxious drug into beer—( Hear, hear, )—one especially which
was prohibited as an unfit ingredient in its preparation.
Mr. M. MILNES—May I consider then that there are no
financial difficulties ?—( Roars of laughter.)
The subject then dropped. The House then went into
committee, and after a short discussion, clauses 1,2, 3,4, 5,6,
7,8, and 9, were then read and severally agreed to.
After a few words !torn Mr. MOFFAT, the Bill passed
through Committee.
The Cits.ol.74AN reported progress, and the House resumed.
The Bill, with the amendments, was then ordered to be
reported to-morrow (this day).
DISTILLING FROM SUGAR BILL.
The House then went into Ciitamittee on this Bill. •
The several clauses of the Bill were the agreed-to.
CUSTOMS DUTIES BILL.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said that,
with the sanction of the House, he should proposf the second
reading of this Bill to night, and take the discussion in Com.
mittee.
Lord G. BENTINCX gave notice that on the order of the
day being proposed for going into Committee on the Bill, he
should move that it be referred to a Select Committee up
stairs:—LThe Bill was then read a second time.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of, and the
House adjourned at Half-past Twelve o'clock.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.
TATTERSALL'S--MorwAy.
The business transacted on the Spring Handicaps was,
with few exceptions, in small sums, and at prices according
so nearly with those last quoted that we may dispense with
any comment. On the Derby and Oaks it was heavier, and
with reference to the former, we may state that Epirote de-
clined to 13 to 1 (1,400 to 100 laid once), resigning the
second place in the betting to Planet, who advanced a point
on the previous quotation ; Glentilt and Red Hart also im-
proved, but we are net aware that any business was done on
the Goodwood horses except as a " lot," in which shape they
were backed for a hundred at sto 1. The most remarkable
feature in the betting on this event was the elevation of
Conyngham—one of the Danebury lot—to 20 to 1, anything
above which would have been taken ; of the outsiders We-
note, Horn of Chase, Limestone, and Signet (the Galvanic
Ring) were most in request. Latest prices :
LIVERPOOL STEEPLE CHASE.
800 to 20 agst Mr. G. Watt, jun.'s St. Leger—taken.
NORTHAMPTONSHIRE HANDICAP.
Hydrangea is declared not to start. •
NZWMAMEET BANDICAr.
16 to 1 aget Mr. Cuthbert's Queen of Tyne
25 to 1 agst Lord Stanley's kteeunee—taken.
80 to I aget Mr. Jaques Sir Martin—taken
METEOPOLITLX HANDICAP.
15 to 1 agst Lord Chesterfield's Jenny Wren—taken .
17 to 1 agst Mr. Pedley's Pink Bonnet—taken
17 to 1 agst Mr. Whitworth's Lady Sarah—taken
20 to 1 agst Lord Stanley's Meeanee—taken
TWO THOUSAND GUINEAS sT.tm.lB.
4 to 1 agst Mr. Mostyn's I'lanet
5 to 1 agst Mr. Mostyn's Glentilt—taken
7 to 1 agst Sir R. Pigot's Conyngliam—taken
70 to 40 agst Glentilt and Planet—taken
IWO to 100 agst Liberator and Bedlam—taken
CILISTXR cur.
20 to 1 agst Mr. Gully's Mendicant.
22 to 1 aget Mr. B. Green's The Lamb—t., and aft. off.
30 to 1 agst Mr. Gratwicke's The Flitch
1000 to agst Mr. Minor's Duke of Richmond—taken 9
or 3 times
1000 to 25 agst Mr. Irwin's Mickey Free—taken -
45 to 1 agst Mr. I'. Dawson's Grim Con
1000 to2o agst Mr. Skerratt's Intrepid—taken
1000 to 20 apt Mr. W. Scott's Sir Tatton Sykes—taken
and afterwards ()tiered
50 to I agst Mr. J. Day's liourton
50 to 1 agst Mr. Mangle's Golden Bee
1000to20 agst Mr. 13. Green's The Conjurer—taken
1000 to2o agst Mr. A. W. Moonlight—t., and aft. off.
500 to 10 agst Mr. Hesselton's Fitzallen—t., and aft. off.
1000 to 13 agst Mr. Greville's Jonathan Wild—taken
SOO tolo agst Mr. Smith's Master Downes—taken
r 1000 tolo agst Mr. F. R. Price ns The Premier (3 yrs)—t,
2000 toll agst Mr. Haworth's Robin Burns—taken
No others mentioned.

MIMI%
500 to 100 agst Kent's Lot—taken
15 to 2 agst Lord Eglinton's Van Tromp—taken
12 to 1 apt Mr. Mostyn's Planet—take 13 to 1
13 to 1 apt Mr. Bowes's Epirote—take 14 to 1
18 to 1 agst Mr. Mostyn's Glentilt—take 20 to I
20 to 1 agst Sir R. Pigot's Conyngham
33 to 1 agst Duke of Richmond's Red Hart—take 35 to 1
35 to 1 agst Mr. Payne's Sister to Cobweb c—taken and
afterwards offered
40 to 1 agst Mr. Irwin's Horn of Chase—taken freely
40 to 1 apt Lord E. Russell's Wanota—taken to 123/.
40 to 1 agst Mr. Bowes's Lunedale
45 to 1 agst Mr. S. Conway's Christopher—taken
50 to 1 apt Mr. Gullvta Tantivy
1000 to 10 apt Mr. Stephenson's Black Dwarf—taken
1000 to 15 apt Mr. Merry's Limestone—t. and aft. of
1000 to 15 apt Lord Strathssore's Signet—taken
1000 to 15 agst Mr. A. W. Wtll co' the Wisp.takaa
and afterwards offered
2300 to 100 apt Liberator and Bedlam--taken - •
2000 even between Epirote and Planet', the Woo of WI
latter giving 2 Bove. for choice.
OAKS.
8 to 1 apt Mr. J. Day's The Farmer'; Daughter—.t.
8 to 1 apt Mr. Payne's Clementina
20 to 1 apt Captain Harcourt's Elleipale—t. to 2001.
20 to 1 agst Lord Eglinton's Nerissa
1000 to 60 apt Sir J. Hawley's Miami
1000 to 500 on Clementina apt Nerissa
2000 to 1000 on Farmer's Daughter apt Nerissa.
The following two yrs old have received names :—Mr.
Nlostyn's f by Touchstone, out of Olive " Tamarind," his
filly by. Touchstone, out of Chapeau d'Espagne " Mantilla:"
his filly by Bay Middleton, out of Miss Milner, " Nun Ap-
pleton," Sister to Preserve "Laccadive," and bis filly b
Venison, out of Eyebrows " Gl4nce." Sir J. B. Mills
SALsEtudoFbelßonLgiOnOgDtoSSTlOr.CWK.all
was p, t up
Jingle filly is named " Black Doe," and his Tenebrosa filly
" Red Doe," both are by Venison.
for sale yesterday, by Messrs. Tattersall and Sop,
The entire racing
posed of at the following prices Guineas.
Brood mares. 3
Zelinda, covered by Loadstone .......................
Celandine, covered by Coronation ...........................
100
Game Fowl, covered by Coronation .......... ..... .... 10
Maldonia, covered by Loadstone ............ .......94
Belissima, covered by Venison .........................
Dauntless, covered by Venison...... ....................
,7113
Science, covered by Venison ........................ '
Yearlings, with their engagements. 13
and dis-
B f by Venison, out of Belissime ...........................
Ch f by The Skater, out of Zelinda .................. 35
Ch f by Gladiator, out of Celafidine ......................... .
58
Ch f by Defence, out of Game Fowl ....................
B c by The Skater, out of Dauntless ..............
Horses in training, with their en 12
Bf, 2 yrs, by The Skater, out of Dauntless ............ "' 38
Chrevenil, 2 yrs, by Venison ..... "' ......
19
....................
Seaport, 6 yrs, by Liverpool ............................... 19
B f, 3 yrs, by Sir Hercules, out of Maldonia ........ '"
30
Ch c, 2 yrs, by Mazeppa, out of Celandine ................15
Borrani, 5 yrs' ... ..........
...... 41"
Crown Prince, by Coronation, 4 yrs ...................
...........
33
Quicksand, 3 yrs .36
.....
Ch c, by Slane, out of Cinderella,4 yrs .................. 35
Ch c by Bubastes, out of Zelinda, 4 Yrs ................ 12
Marius, by Mazeppa, d by Whalebone ..
24 ge•
Paganini, gs ;
gagernents.

TTUB Erman] NEWSFAFER.—The Tribunal o.
ahleitCyniatmhbadernooft Ds
oe p
mu tai ens: ,;
pg. MeYnard, M. Richond des
hear-
Correctional Police has been occupied several days in
as civilly responsible. The
based on the allegation
ing a complaint, preferred by certain shareholders of the
.Epoque newspaper, against 51. Solar, late grant of that
journal, on a charge of swindling, and against Admiral de
Brus, M. Denys (all Member Rosamel, General Tholose,
ctathat he had induced the complainants to advance their
Corgernaugaauilnt,stantdheerbl. Ganritolviet,as
money on the pretence that the journal possessed upwards
of 20,000 subscribers, when
as also that he had sold vast quantities of the daily num-
bers as waste paper without accounting for the proceeds,
generally that he had acted unfairly towards the share-
andholders in the discharge of the duties of his office. Admiral
Rosamel and the other gentlemen had acted as the con-
deeulbersh:fret
seil de surveillance of the b
'coque, and in that capacity had
which was inserted in the newspaper,
declaring that the circulation of the journal exceeded 20,000
signed a document,
copies daily. The conirlainants alleged that the gentlemen
in question knew that assertion to be false at the time they
matte it, and that as it was in consequence of it thry had
parted with their money, they (the shareholders) considered
them morally responsible for the loss they alleged they had
sustailted through the acts of the girant. A, number of
witnesses were called to suport the cam f
the
plaintiffs, but after hearing the ounsel of M. Sol
Solar himself, both of whom stated that the paper car,haand M.
had had
twenty thousand subscriber", that its failure as
cantile speculation was the fault of the shareholders amar'
them-
selves in not paying up their deposits within
due - time,
that in every case the conduct of M. Solar had been
perfectly honourable, and that, in fact, so far f
the shareholders, he was a considerable loser fromrotaduping
con-
nexion with the journal, the tribunal delivered
ajudgment
his
by which it fully acquitted that gentleman, and declared
that, in consequence of that acquittal, it was useless to exa-
mine the question raised with respect to the other gentlemen.
—Galignani.
DETENTION or FORGED NOTES OF
IRELAND.—On Thursday, Thomas Jones THE BANK OF
Grafton-street, and formerly of Wicklow-street,Atkins, late of
Thomas James, of Mecklenburgh-street, t engraver;
Henry Fitzsimon, of Whitehorse-yard F , engraver; and
before Messrs. Ii itchcock and Tyndall,CPrinter, were brought
Police-office, in custody of Brennan, and at
College-street
of the detective police, charged with beingnome other officers
forgery of notes of the Bank of Ireland. concerned in the
were dated May 11, 1844, and 6th of The notes forged
witness named Daniel M'Cormick, of
I been engaged in circulating the forged
IDecember, 1845. A
Toomevara, who had
Iparts of the country, was examined notes in various
mode of operations. An officer of theat much length as to the
also examined. The prisoners were Bank of Ireland was
the commission.—Dublin paper, committed for trial at

LORD G. BENTINCK'S RAILWAY

BILL.

[lSubjoine(l i; tha Bit' I;k1,1 I,OT O, lintincl nn
the table of the Home ,',"("4,11:t0',n,, on Thur.,l:- nir,lit."l
A BILL TO STIMULATE THE PROMPT AND ITO-
EMPLOYAIENT OF THE PEOPLE R
ME ENCOURAGEMENT OF RAILWAYS IN IRE-

LAND.
Whereas the speedy construction of railwsys in Ireland
would be of great public advantage, and would especially
tend to improve the condition and to develop the resources
of that part of the United Kingdom ; and several Acts of
Parliament have passed, and other Acts are likely hereafter
to pass for the construction of such railways : And whereas
it is apprehended that the cempanies authorised by such
Acts may be unable to carry their several undertakings into
immediate execution by their own resources : And whereas
in the present state of Ireland it is expedient to afford in-
creased employment for labour in works of public utility ;
Be it enacted, therefore, by the Queen's Most Excellent
Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords
Spiritual and Temporal and Commons in this present Parlia-
ment assembled, and by the authority of the same:
AUTHORISING ISSUE OLT OP TIIE CONSOLIDATED FUND, OR
ExcuEguEn-itici-s, FOR THE PURPOSES ot"rnE ACT, NOT
ExczpanwG 16,000,000/.
I. That it shall be lawful for the Commissioners of the
Treasury to issue and advance, or cause to be issued and
advanced, for the loans to be made under the provisions' of
this Act, and for the other purposes of this Act, out of the
growing produce of the Consolidated Fund of the United
Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, such sum or sums
of money as may be required for such loans and purposes,
not exceeding in the whole the sum of 16,00(),000/. ; er, in
case the said Commissioners of the Treasury shall-so think
lit, it shall be lawful for them to direct the Comptroller-
General of her Majesty's :Exchequer, at WestminTer, to
make out and issue Exchequer-bills to such amount, not
exceeding the sum of 16,000,000/., as they shall think lit to
direct for the purpose aforesaid, anti to cause the same to
be sold and the produce carried to the railway advances and
repayment account in the Bank of Ireland, hereinafter men-
tioned; provided that the whole amount of the sums to be
advanced out of the Consolidated Fund, and by such Ex-
chequer-bills shall not together exceed the said sum of
16,000,000/.
PROVISIONS AS TO CM ISSUE, PERIOD, AND RATE 05'

INTEREST OF EXCREQUIIR-ISILLB.
2. And be it enacted, that snch Exchequer-bills as may b 3
directed to be made out and issued under this Act shall be
in the urns form and order, and according to the same or
like rules and directions, except where herein otherwise
provided for, as in an Act passed in the 48th year of the reign
of his Majesty King George 111., intituled "An Act for re-
gulating the issuing and paying of Exchequer-Bills ;" and
and an Act passed in the session of Parliament holden in the
4th and sth years of the reign of his Majesty King Wil-
liam IV., intituled "An Act to regulate the office of the
receipt of his Majesty's Exchequer at Westminster;" and an
Act, passed in the session of Parliament holden in the sth
and 6th years of the reign of her present Majesty, intituled
An Act for further regulating the preparation and issue of
Exchequer-bills," are prescribed. .
3. And be it enacted, that all the clauses, provisoes, powers,
authorities, regulations, privileges, advantages, penalties, for-
feitures, and disabilities, contained in the said Acts of the
48th year of King George 111., the 4th and sth years of
King NVilliam IV., and the sth and 6th years of her present
Majesty, shall be applied and extended to the Exchequer.
bills to be made out in pursuance of this Act, as fully and
effectually to all intents and purposes as if the said several
clauses and provisoes had been particularly repeated and re-
enacted in this Act.
4. And be it enacted, that the Exchequer-bills to be made
out in pursuance of this Act shall bear au interest not ex-
ceeding the rate of threepence halfpenny per centum per
diem upon or in respect of the whole of the money contained
therein. _ .

5. And be it enacted, that all Exchequer-bills whic
shall be made out and issued in pursuance of this Act, aba
be dated on the day of the issue thereof, and-made payable
at such periods as shall be fixed by the Commissioners of
the Treasury.
6. And be it enacted, that all the Exchequer-bills to be
made out in pursuance of this Act, or so many of them as
shall from time to time remain undischarged and uncan-
celled after the respective days on which they shell become
due and payable, shall after that time pass and be current
to all receivers and collectors in Great Britain of the customs,
excise, or any revenue, supply, aid, or tax whatsoever, due
or payable to her Majesty, her heirs or successors, and also
at the Bank of England, to the account of her Majesty's
Exchequer, from the said receivers or collectors, or from any
person, body politic or corporate whatsoever, making any
payment there to her Majesty, her heirs or successors, upon
any account whatever.
MONEY REQUIRED TO DX CAPAIZD TO ACCOUNT IN THE
BANK OF lI:ELAND.
7. And be it enacted, that the Comptroller-General of her
Majesty's Exchequer shall, upon the warrant of the Com-
missioners of the Treasury, caused to be issued out of the
produce of the sale of the Exchequer-bills to be issued under
this Act, or out of the growing produce of the Consolidated
Fund, such sums for the purposes of this Act, as in such
warrant shall be specified ; to be carried to an account which
shall be opened with the Commissioners of the Treasury in
the books of the Governor and Company of the Bank of
Ireland, under the style of
may direct such monies to be advanced and paid out of such
account they shall think tit for loans and other purposes by
this Act authorised. " The Railway advances and re
payment Account ;" and the Commissioners of the Treasury
EMPOWICIUNG THE TILEASURT TO RAISE, DT LOANS NOT
EXCEEDING 16,000,000/.
Q. And be it enacted, that it shall be lawful for the Com-
missioners of the Treasury, if and when they shall so think
fit, to raise from time to time such suns or sums of money as
shall be required for any advance to be made under the pro-
visions of this Act, or for the repayment of any such advance as
shall have been made, as aforesaid, out of the Consolidated
Fund, or of any such Exchequer-bills as shall have been issued
as aforesaid, under the provisions of this Act, and to grant, as
the consideration for such sum or sums of money, redeem-
able perpetual annuities, or annuities for terms of years
(which said annuities, respectively, shall be transferable and
payable at the Bank of England), upon such terms and con-
ditions, and under such regulations as to ;the time or times of
paying the said sums of money agreed to be raisen, as may
be determined upon by the said Commissioners of the Trea-
sury, not exceeding. in the whole, the sum of 16,000,000/.
Provided, nevertheless, that the rate of interest at which the
said sums of money shall be from time to time raised shall
be regulated and governed by the price of the respective re-
deemable perpetual annuities or annuities for terms of years,
on the day preceding (or on the nearest preceding day, if it
shall so happen that there shall be no price of such said
annuities respectively on the day immediately preceding) the
day of giving notice of raising such sum or same of money,
and that the rate of interest to be allowed to the contribu-
tors for such sum or sums of money shall in no case exceed
89f/shillings per centum per annum above the current rate of
interest produced by the market price of any mush re.
&unable ppeerr al annuities or annuities for terms of
adsting at the time, and in which such contracts shall
made.
Immo= AS TO MODS OP RA/SUM TEE SUM AMUR=
• By PUPS OS BY COI (MIX FOR HIMICTION OF
VATIOSAL REST.
9. provided always, and be it further enacted, that before
raising any such sum or sums by redeemable perpetual
sanitise, or annuities for terms of years (unless the same
oners for the Redaction of the National
'shall be subscribed or contributed as hereinafter mentioned
Commissioners of the
Treasury are hereby
give public notice of the intention to raise such
required to
sum, or such part . thereof as shall be ' not subscribed or con-
tributed as aforesaid, through the Governor or Deputy-
Governor of the Bank of England, of their desire to receive
biddings for any such annuities, which said biddings and
the mode of raising such annuities shall be conducted in
such and the like manner as has usually been practised
with respect to the raising of money by way of annuities
blebttil),e tC4hemurniidswi
for the service of the public. Provided also that no con-
tract or agreement for raising any sum or sums of money
by annuities as aforesaid shall be entered into, except
during the sitting of Parliament ; and when the same
should have been entered into all proceedings, tenders, and
contracts respecting the same shall be forthwith laid before
Parliament.froin time to time by the sums of money raised by
10. And be it further enacted, that whatever redeemable
annuities, or annuities for any term of years, which shall be
created
virtue of this Act, which said redeemable annuities, and
annuities for terms of years so created, shall be of the like
deemedan
be
t a it ore n furtherto annuities'be
ena
and c f
shall dor ,h
b n
description of some redeemable annuities, or annuities for
terms of years existing at the time of raising such sum
raform
part
like
d k
or sums of money shall be deemed and taken to be redeem-
able
annuities,ofet
dhyeteosaervse,
and of
l the
terait as all
d
r
description then existing, in which such sum or sums shall
be agreed to be raised.
And
redeem-
able annuities and annuities for terms of years, which shall
be created from time to time, by virtue of this Act., shall be
of the like redeemable annuities or annuities for terms of
years, in which such sums of money shall be raised, and shall
be subject to all the clauses, conditions, provisions, directions,
regulations, and periods of payment, as fully and effectually,
to all intents and purposes, except as altered and varied by
virtue of this Act, as if the said clauses, conditions, provisions,
directions, regulations, and periods of payment were severally
repeatel and re-enacted in this Act.
12. And be it enacted, that the Commissioners for the Re-
duction of the National Debt may subscribe and contribute
from time to time towards the raising any sum or sums of
money to be raised under the provisions of this Act, any part
of the monies which shall be at any time standing in their
names in the books of the Governor and Company of the
Bank of England, under and by virtue of an Act passed in
the 9th year of the reign of King George IV., and intituled
" An Act to consolidate and amend the Laws relating to
Savings Banks," and of another Act passed in the 10th
year of the reign of King George IV., intituled,
"'An Act to consolidate and amend the Laws re-
lating to Friendly Societies," and also to sell and dispose of
the Bank Annuities and Exchequer-bills or any part thereof
which may be now standing, er may hereafter stacd in their
names in the books of the said bank, in pursuance of the said
respective Acts, and with the proceeds thereof, may subscribe
and contribute such monies from time to time, or any part
thereof, towards the raising the sums of money which
may be required from time to time under the provisions of
this Act.
13. And be it enacted, that all sums of money which shall
be raised from time to time by sale of such annuities as
aforesa d, under the provisions of this Act, shall be paid into
the Bank of England, to the account of the Commissi,ners
of the Treasury, under the title of the Irish Railway Loan
Account, and the cashiers of the Benk of England are hereby
required to receive all such sums of money, and to place the
same from time to time to the said account ; and the Com-
missioners of the Treasury shall, from time to time, cause to
be transferred from the said Irish Railway Loan Account to
the Bank of Ireland, to the said Railway Advances and Re-
payment Account, such sums as shall be required for the
purposes of this Act.
14. And be it enacted, that the cashier and cashiers of the
Governor and Company of the Bank of England, who shall
have received, or shall receive, any part of any contribution
towards any sum or sums of money to be raised by annuities
as aforesaid, under the provisions of this Act, shall give a
receipt or receipts in writing to every such contributor for all
such sums, and that the said receipts so to be given shall be
assignable at any time for and during such period as shall
and may be determined upon by the said Commissioners of
the Treasury, and the said receipts shall be in such form and
words, and under such regulations as shall be approved of by
the said Commissioners of the Treasury. Provided always.
that in case any such contributors, who have already
sited with or shall hereafter pay to the said cashier
ad in the
ca-
shiers any sum or sums of money, at theve time
ral loans, in part
manner specified in the proposals of thesevely
subscribed, or
of any sum or sums so by them. respectstrators, successors, or as-
their respective executors, admitno
4the said cashier or cashiers
signs, shall not advance or pay
o bibed, at a
te times
the residue of the sum or sums s
en nd h
in every
and in the manner stated in the pro psuosals,scr then
respective sum or sums so subsribed
such case so much of theiresp
I aid in part thereof to the said
as shall have been actua y
bel3forfeited for the benefit of the
hiers shall
cashier or cashiers.
public, and all right or title to the said redeemable annuities
or annuities for terms of years in respect thereof shall be ex.

tingalshed, anything in this Act contained to the contrary
thereof in anywise notwithstanding.
INTEREST AHD CHARGES FOR MANAGEMENT TO BE PAID

Fro:a coNsor:ln ATE FUT: n.
15. And ,be it further enacted*, that all the said annititiez,
interest, dividends, and charges for management, which shall
become payable in respect of the said sum of 16,c00,00nt, or
•any part thereof, which shall have been raised as aforesaid
by Exchequer-bills, or annuities, or otherwise under the pro-
visions of this Act, shall be charged and chargeable upon,
and the same is hereby charged upon and made payable out
of, the Consolidated Fund of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Ireland.

16. And be it further enacted, that so much money shall
from time to time be set apart and issued at the receipt of
the Exchequer in England, out of the Consolidated Fund of
the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, to the
said cashier or cashiers of the Governor and Company of the
Bank of England, as shall be sufficient to satisfy and pay the
respective annuities or the interest of the respective Exche-
quer-bills to be created in respect of the said sum of
16,000,0001., or any part thereof, together with all charges
attending the same.

RAILWAY COMPANIES IN IRELAND MAY APPLY FOR LOANS
UNDER AUTIIORITY OF GENERAL MEETINGS.
17. And be it enacted, that any company authorised, or
which shall be hereafter authorised by Act of Parliament, to
make a railway in Ireland, on an order of a general meeting
of the company, may apply to the Commissioners of the
Treasury for a loan under this Act, and any security which
shall be given under the provisions of this Act by such com-
pany, or the directors thereof, for any money advanced or
thereafter to be advanced, not exceeding in the whole the
amount authorised to be borrowed by an order of a general
meeting of the company, shall be valid and effectual, not-
withstanding any restrictive powers of borrowing contained
in the Act or Acts relative to such company.
RAILWAY COMMISSIONERS TO REPORT ON WORKS AND CON-
DITION OF co3trNmEs APPLYING.

iS. And be it enacted, that where any company authorised
:o make a railway in Ireland shall be desirous of obtaining a
loan under this Act, it shall be lawful for the commissioners
of railways, by themselves or by such inspector as they shall
appoint for that purpose, to examine the works or proposed
works of such railway company, and to inquire whether the
speedy completion thereof would afford beneficial employ-
ment for labour, and would be of public advantage, and to
inquire into the amount of the money which shall have been
expended on such works, and if any part thereof shall have
been expended out of money borrowed, then distinguishing
the 'part thereof which shall have been expended out cf
money borrowed from the part thereof-which shall have been
expended out of share capital, and to inquire what amount
of capital will be required for the completion of the railway,
and whether the railway, if completed, will afford a reasonable
prospect of sufficient security for the loan applied for by the
company, or for any and what loan under the provisions of
this Act, and to inquire into such other particulars in re-
lation to such works, and the condition thereof, and of the
company authorised to make the same, as they, the said
commissioners of railways may think fit, and after such ex-
amination and inquiries shall have been made, the commis-
sioners of railways shall report the result thereof, together
with such observations and recommendations founded there-
on as they may think proper, to the Commissioners of the
Treasury.
I°OIvNRS OF RAILWAY COMMISSIONERS EXTENDED TO PRO-
CEEDINGS UNDER THIS ACT.
19. And be it enacted, that, for the purposes aforesaid, and
for all other acts mid proceedings to be done and taken by
them respectively under this Act, the said commissioners of
railways' and their inspectors shall have all the powers,
rights, and authorities, which by the Act of the last session
of Parliament, intituled "An Act for constituting Commis-
sioners of Railways," or by any Act of the present session,
or any Act hereafter to be passed concerning the said Com-
missioners, are or shall be vested in such Commissioners and
their inspectors for the purposes of the said Act of the last
session of Parliament.
EMPOWERING THE • COMMISSIONERS OF 'THE TREASURY TO
MAKE ADVANCES UPON THE RAILWAY COMMISSIONERS'
REPORTS.
20. And be it enacted, that where it shall appear upon the
report of the Commissioners of railways that the speedy
completion of the works of any company which shall be
desirous of obtaining a loan under this Act, would be of
public advantage, and would afford beneficial employment
for labour, it shall be lawful for the Commissioners of the
Treasury to advance to such company, on the security here-
inafter mentioned, and subject to the provisions and condi-
tions hereinafter contained, such sum or sums of money,
from time to time, as shall be equal to double the amount of
the money which by the report of the Commissioners of rail-
ways shall at the time of such advance appear to have been
properly expended by such company out of share capital,
unless the amount of loan which shall be applied for by the
company shall be less than such double amount of share
capital properly expended, or unless the Commissioners of
railways shall report that a sufficient security will only be
aftbrded for a less amount than such double amount ; in which
case it shall be lawful for the said Commissioners of the Trea-
sury to advance such sum or sums of money as the company
shall apply for, or as the Commissioners of railways shall re-
commend.
EMPOWERING ADVANCES IN SEPARATE SUMS, AND FROM
TIME TO TIME.
21. And be it enacted, that subject as aforesaid the ad-
vances which may be made by the :Commissioners of the
Treasury, under the authority of this Act, may be made in
separate instalments or sums, at such times and in such
manner as the Commissioners of Railways may recommend
as most expedient for assisting the progress of the works,
and for insuring the due application of the moneys advanced,
but so that where any sum shall have been advanced as
aforesaid no subsequent advance shall be made until the
Commissioners of the Treasury shall have been satisfied by
certificate of the Commissioners of Railways that the sum
previously advanced has been properly expended.
WAGES OF LABOURERS AND WORKMEN TO BE PAID WEEKLY
IN MONEY OR LICENSED BANKERS' NOTES PAYABLE ON
DEMAND.
22. And be it enacted, that where any monies shall have
been advanced to a company as aforesaid the entire amount
of the wages earned by or payable to every workman and
labourer in respect of any work or labour done in or about
the construction of the works of such company, shall be
actually ipaid to such workman and labourer in the current
coin of the realm (or In notes of the Governor and Company
of the Bank of Ireland, or in the notes of any company, or
persons 'carrying on the business of a banker and duly
licensed, to issue such notes and payable on demand), and
not otherwise, and such payment shall be made weekly, and
every payment made to any such workman or labourer of
or in respect of any such wages by delivering to him goods or
otherwise than in such current coin or notes as aforesaid,
shall be illegal, null and void, amid in case the whole amount
of the wages received by or payable to any such workman
or labourer as aforesaid up to and inclusive of the Saturday
in every wee Mall not be paid on such Saturday, or on the
Monday following, the contractor or company who shall have
employed such workman or labourer shall be liable to pay
and shall pay to him double the amount of the wages earned,
or of so much thereof as shall not have been actually and
lawfully paid within the time and in the manner aforesaid,
and such double amount may be recovered from the em-
ployer in the manner by law appointed for the recovery of
servants' wages,
CONTRACTORS LIABLE FOR NON-PAYMENT OF LABOURERS
BY THEIR SUB-COTRACTORs.
23. And be it enacted, that where any moneys shall have
been advanced to a company as aforesaid, such company
shall take such security from, and make such stipulations
with, the persons who shall contract for the execution of the
works, or any part thereof, as the Commissioners of Railways
'shall think fit, for the due and regular payment of all work-
men and labourers employed in or about such works; and
every person who shall contract with any such company for
the execution of such works, or any part thereof, shall be
liable for the due payment to every workman and labourer
of his wages as aforesaid, according to the provisions of this
Act, notwithstanding that by reason of any sub-contract,
or otherwise, he may not be the actual employer of such
workman and labourer; and every such workman and la-
bourer may at his option recover such wages (or where the
same shall become due, the double amount thereof as afore-
said) from such original contractor, or his sub-contractor, or
from either of them.
DECENT DWELLINGS TO BE PROVIDED FOR WORKMEN, WREN

N ECESSARY.

24. And be it further enacted, that where any moneys
shall be advanced to a company as aforesaid, it shall be law-
ful for the Commissioners of Railways, where in their opinion
the state of the neighbourhood shall render it necessary for
the decent accommodation of workmen and labourers, to re-
quire that the contractors for the execution of the works of
such company shall provide a sufficient number of suitable
and decent cottages or dwellings for the workmen and la•
bourers employed in the execution of the works; and the
erection in a proper manner of the number of cottages or
dwellings so required shall be certified by the engineer of such
company to the Commissioners of Railways, and to their
satisfaction, before the works to be executed by such con-
tractor shall be commenced ; and such company shall cause
proper stipulations for this purpose to be inserted in their
contracts accordingly.
RAILWAY COMMISSIONERS TO CAUSE WORKS TO BE INSPECTED
FROM TIME TO TIME.
25. And be it enacted, that where moneys shall have been
advanced to any company as aforesaid, it shall be lawful for
the Commissioners of Railways to cause the works of such
company, and the proceedings of such company in relation
thereto, to be inspected and examined from time to time by
such inspectors as they shall appoint for the purpose of ascer-
taining the due execution of such works, and the amount of
money from time to time expender. thereon, and the amount
and period of the advances which will from time to time be
required, and the means of the company to proceed with the
execution thereof, and the compliance on the part of the
company and their contractors with the provisions of this
Act, and such inspectors shall at the end of every calendar
month, or at such other periods or times as the said Com-
missioners shall direct, make reports as to the progress and
condition of such works, and where occasion shall require,
shall certify the amount of the money which shall have been
expended thereon out of the advances made under the
authority of this Act, or out of the share capital, or other
wise, and such other particulars as they may think neces-
sary ; and all the books of account, and other books and mi-
nutes of the proceedings of such company shall be open to
the inspection of the Commissioners of Railways and their
inspectors, for the purposes of this Act.
PAYMENT OF ADVANCES TO COMPANIES TO BE SECURED
BY MORTGAGE ; TO BE REDEEMABLE COMPULSORILY IN
NOT LESS THAN THIRTY YEARS FROM THE RAILWAY
BEING IN OPERATION.
26. And be it enacted, that where any money shall be ad-
vanced to a company as aforesaid, the repayment thereof
and of all monies which may thereafter be aavanced to the
same company under the authority of this Act, with such
interest thereon respectively as hereinafter expressed, shall,
in addition to any other security by this Act provided, be
secured by an assignment by way of mortgage, to be made
under the common seal of the company, to such person or,
persons as the Commissioners of the Treasury shall oqcorf, all
the property and undertaking of such comp Y, a
tolls and sums of money to accrue ton such coomr ptahaivr;epaanyd-
provision shall be made by such assigmoe f
ment of the principal monies therebytsheo uncrteodmotattstshioeueeirisd
of
such period as shall be appointedbyo
the Treasury, not being less than 3
mmissioners of
the 3 ears from the time
when the railway shall be certified by
ority
shall be made
railways to be in operation, and such sec
subject to such conditions for insuring the due application
of the monies advanced and to be advanced as the COMMLi-
sioners of the Treasury shall think fit. Provided always,
that it shall be lawful for the Commissioners of the Treasury
from time to time, upon the recommendation of the Commis-
sioners of Railways, to postpone the period of repayment, find
to substitute, in lieu thereof, such longer period or periods
for the repayment of the said principal monies, or any part
thereof, as they shall think fit, in which case the said secu-
rity, and all other securities under this Act, shall continue
postponed
to be valid and effectual in every respect for the
period or periods appointed by the Commissioners.
also, that_ it shall be lawful for the company, if they shall
think fit, to repay the whole or any part of the said principal
monies at any time or times sooner than the time appointed
by the said security.
INTEREST PAYABLE ON MORTGAGES TO COVERF INTEREST
GOVERNMENT LOANS AND INCIDENTAL EXPENSES.
27. And be it enacted, that the interest on the advances to
be made under this Act shall commence from the date of
such advances, and shall be payable half-yearly, on such
days as the'Conamissioneers. of the Treasury shall direct, and