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London, England, 1852-05-29 00:00:00

BISHOPRIC OF CHRISTCHURCH (NEW ZEA-
LAND) BILL.
On the motion for reading this Bill a second time,
Mr. ANSTEY objected, and said he should have to
detain the House for two hours in stating the grounds
of his opposition to this Bill; but he would, in the first
place, test the feeling of Hon. Members to remain by
moving that the House do now adjourn.
The ATTORNEY GENERAL thought the proposal
of the Hon. and Learned Member a most cruel infliction.
The whole object of tho Bill was—the district of New
Zealand having grown so large as to require another
bishopric, and it being necessary for the existing Bishop
of New Zealand to surrender a portion of his patent fur
the purpose, and it being necessary to legalise that sur-
render by an Act of the Legislature, the object of this
Bill was to give the legislative saiction. An opposition
to such a Bill was most vexatious.
Mr. ANSTEY insisted upon his motion, and the House
divided—

For the adjournment ... 3
Against it ... G
Majority against the motion ... —5B
Mr. ANSTEY proceeded to state that the ground of
his objection was that this Bill was the same in principle
as the Colonial Bishops Bill.—(No, no.) The Right Hon.
Gentlemm the Home S2dretary had last night admitted
that it was so.
Mr. WALI'OLE denied that he had done so. What
he had said was, that if the Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man had really an objection to its principle he would not
bring it on at one o'clock in the morning, and he was now
ready.

Mr. ANSTEY interrupting—l rise to order. I allowed
the Right Hon. Gentleman to explain, but as he has
courted debate he shall now have it.—(A. laugh )
Mr. WALPOLE was only anxious to save lime.
Mr. ANSTEY again rose to order. He bad no notion
of allowing a Minister to assume in that House an autho-
rity which did not belong to other Members his Equals.
—(Hear, and a laugh.) He objected to this Bill in lanine.
He denied that there was any Bishop of Christchurch or
of New Zealand. The object of these measures was
to raise up a Church establishment in New Zealand.
Now he had no intention of permitting such an
establishment without opposition. He was opposed
to any attempt to extend the spiritual supremacy of the
Crown to New Zealand and our other colonies. The
Hon. and Learned Member then at great length (it being
already a quarter past 1 o'clock) stated his objections,
quoting Blackstone and other authorities to show that
the Crown had no power to erect dioceses in our colo-
nies, or to appoint bishops. If the Queen had by letters
patent erected the diocese, let the Queen legislate—let
her undo what she had done. There was no reason for
coming to Parliament to undo the illegal act of the
Crown. All religions in the colonies are on an equality,
but this Bill was intended to give supremacy to the
Church of England by the authority of the Imperial
Parliament, and the result would be sectarian bitterness
and religious animosity in New Zealand. In conclusion,
he moved that the Bill be put off for three Months.
No Member on the Government side rising,
Mr. REYNOLDS moved the adjournment of the
debate.
Mr. WALPOLE seconded the motion, and said that

was the object with which he had risen before when he
was interrupted by the Hon. and Learned Member for
Yonghal. They had now wasted an hour and a half
uselessly, and most unfairly to the Speaker, who had
been sitting there from four o'clock.
The debate was then Adjourned.
MATNOOTH DEBATE.

Mr. KEOGH complained of this order of the day
being taken out of its course, it being last on the list, to
dispose of it in the absence of Irish Members.
Tha CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
plained that the order in question had been moved for
the purpose of postponement by the Hon. Member for
Ashton (Mr. Hindley), a Member of the Opposition.
Air. KEOGH insisted that Ministers who had control
of the orders of the day were parties to the arrangement,
which, he said, was a low, thimble-rigging, pettylogging

trick.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
plained that the Government had not the entire control
over the order paper. Ile had stated the intention of
taking the Maynooth debate on Friday, and no objection
was made.
Mr. O'FLAHERTY could plainly see that the Go-
vernment were determined to do everything they could
in hostility to the Irish people. He was glad they had
at length shown their colours, and he could assure
them that they were colours which would not win for
them the confidence of the Irish party. As far as he
was concerned he promised them all the opposition, in
his power.
Mr. WALPOLE assured the Hon. Gentleman that
Ministers, were in no way to blame in this matter. They
had not taken the order out of its course. The Hon.
Gentlemaii (Mr. Hindley) who had made the motion had
done so without any communication or concertivith the
Government.
Mr. REYNOLDS reminded the House that the Hon.
Member for North Warwickshire had stated he would
move the postponement of the debate to Friday, when
they came to the order on the paper.
The conversation which arose on the motion to post.
pone one of the other orders of the day then dropped.
Mr. KEOGH immediately rose and moved the ad-
journment of the House, repeating his previous speech
on Maynoth affairs.
Mr. H. HERBERT was quite sure that nothing like a
trick was intended, but urged that, if the same course
were allowed to be taken, any measure, however objec-
tionable, might be passed by a trick. He saw no good
that could arise from bringing on the debate on Friday,
for it was quite clear there would be no division then;
and be thought they might as well adjourn it to the 12th
of August.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER assured
Hon. Members opposite that nothing would induce him
t 3 sanction any course that was unfair to them.—(Hear,
hear.) It was not possible to take any order out of its
course, except for postponement; and any Member who
had an order on the paper was perfectly justified, by the
rules of the House, to move before the other orders that
it be postponed. The Government had no hand what-
ever in the postponement in question, and, as it was in
accordance with the usual practice, and with an arrange-
ment generally acquiesced in, they had offered no objec-
tion.—(Hear.)

Mr. ANSTEY thought there mast be some exception
to that rule. Suppose he had got up early in the even-
ing and moved that the Now Zealand Bishops Bill
(which had been pressed against him with so much inso-
lence—(Oh, oh, and a laugh)—would be not have been
told that such course was opposed to the practice of the
House.—(Hear.)
The House divided, when there appeared—
For the adjournment ... „,
Against it „,

... 10

... 42

Majority —32
Lord J. MANNERS moved for leave to bring in a
Bill to amend the Act for regulating the construction
and the use of buildings in the metropolis and its neigh-
bourhood, and to improve the administration thereof.
Agreed to.
Mr. ANSTEY moved for leave to bring in a Bill to
diminish the proceedings under the Election and Bri-

bery Acts.—Agreed to.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON moved for leave to bring in
a Bill for dissfforesting the forest of Whittlewood, other-
wise Whittlebury; and a Bill for disafforesting the forest

of Wych wood.
Mr. KEOGH moved the adjournment of the debate
on the ground that after the manner the Government
had treated him and his party he would offer them every

opposition.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER was
anxious they should not adjourn for thu recess under
any wrong impressions. He was anxious to meet the
convenience of lion. Gentlemen opposite as far as possi-
ble, and would on Thursday endeavour to name a day
(say Tuesday) which should be agreeable to the Irish
Memb.3ra.

Mr. KEOGH and Mr. REYNOLDS expressed themselves
satisfied; the Hon. Member for Athlone, however, ex-
pressing an objection to morning sittings.
The motion was then agreed to, and the Bills were
then brought in and read a first time.
The Common Law Practice Improvement Bill (Lords)
was read a first time.

POST-OFFICE.
Mr. HASTIE moved for a returned of the number of
persons employed in the Post-office, Paisley; distin-
guishing the number in each class, with their respective
salaries; also the average daily number of bags and
letters received and dispatched.
PATENT LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
Mr. MUN TZ moved to nominate the Select Committee
on Patent Law Amendmnnt Bill:—Mr. Muntz, Mr.
Cowan, Sir William Page Wood, Mr. Labouchere, Mr.
Westhead, Mr. John Greene, Mr. Scott, Mr. Mullings,
Mr. Attorney• General, Mr. John Evans, Mr. Solicitor-
General for Ireland, Mr. Cardwell, Mr. Pole Carew,
Mr. Newdegate, and Mr. Henley.—Agreed to.
ENCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND).
On the motion of Mr. BUTT returns relative to this
subject were ordered.
The House adjourned at a Quarter to Three o'clock.