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THE SUN, LONDON, THURSDAY EVENING, OCTOBER 13, 1864.

Bst 71b; if entered to be sold for 100 soya allowed 71b.

110 PERSONS SEEKING LANDED
AATES, TOWN AND COUNTRY RESIDENCES,
FREEHOLD AND LEASEHOLD INVESTMENTS, AND
PROPER TIES GENERALLY—
TO BE HAD GRATIS, at the principal Railway Bookstalls
throughout the kingdom, or at the Auction and Estate Offices,
No. 67, Chancery-lane, London, Messrs. E. and 11. Lumley's
"FREE PROPERTY REGISTER," containing a varied selection
of landed and house properties now in the market, from
the nobleman's mansion, with its manorial domain, to the
cottage with its few acres.
OWNERS OF PROPERTIES wishing to Sell or Let can em-
brace the opportunity that the medium of this Register
affords, by sending the particulars of their properties to the
Estate Offices, 67, Chancery-lane, London, as the Messrs.
Lumley can in most cases introduce Immediate customers,
where the property is of an eligible chara ter, thereby avoid-
ing the disadvantages of delay and its attendant incon-
veniences.
THERE IS NO CHARGE incurred, unless a tenant or pur-
chaser is introduced through Messrs. Lumley's Agency,
and then onlythe usual moderate commission.
Auction and Land Offices, 67, Chancery-lane, London.

T.Y.C,
Count F. de Lagrange's ch c Sancho, Bst 10 lb (Edwards) 1
Mr C. Walker's bl c Frangipani, Bst 101 b..... (Snowdon) 2
Mr Jackson's b f Sidewind, Bst 71b .......(D0y1e) 3

culty experienced as to who was a traveller, and the legis.
lature had endeavoured to get out of it by the use of the
word bona
_fide. If this train had gone at ten minutes past
one on the Sunday morning instead of at ten minutes to
one in the day then this act of Parliament would have
applied.
Mr. Arnold said there was nothing in the Police Act t;
prevent that. It would not have been an offence as this was,
Mr Child remarked the serving between one and four
was merely a statutory provision of this act. This act
pressed very bard upon his client and persons in his posi-
tion. He exercised the greatest scrutiny and took every
reasonable precaution and served only the persons that he
believed bad passed through and taken tickets, and he
had complied with all that the act of Parliament put upon
him.

The following also ran : —Sister to Asclia,m, Spadassin,
Honey Bee, Whisky, Lady Florence,
Skirmisher, Wade, Ada, Oulston, and
A Mortlake, Orrldo
effr,i
eTeah .e f Turner,
b y

Betting-2 to 1 agst Sister to Ascham, 5 to" 2 agst Sancho,
and 10 to 1 agst any other.

They ran nearly in a line for 200 yardF, when the favourite,
lying in the centre, was seen slightly in ad va:ace, followed
on her right by Sped assin, the Water Lily filly, and Lady
Florence, and on the lower ground by Side wit id, Sancho,
The Turner, and Ardericca. They ran th.as half way in
the cords, where Sancho quitted his rearward position, and
joined Lord Glasgow's filly, who headed ha the next few
strides, and won an excellent race by half a Length, Sister to
Ascham defeating Sidewind by a like distance for second ;
Lady Florence was a good fourth ; The Water Lily fifth,
Spadassin sixth, The Turner seventh, and Ardericca next.
The last two were Mortlake and the Melbourne filly.
The Bedford Stakes, a Sweepstakes of 50 sovs each, h ft,

Mr Arnold said this was quite clear that five persons out
of the 30 served did not leave the station by rail, and there-
fore were not travellers ; yet Mr Fisher had acted with
good faith on the occasion. Supposing a man left his house
in a cab with luggage and stopped at a public house, and
said he was a traveller, and insisted upon being served with
refreshment ?

for 27r-olds; colts, Bst 101 b ; fillies, Bst 71b ; winners
extra. Last five furlongs of A.F. 8 subs.
Count de Lag range's Mtaflor, Bst 101 b.... (Edwards) f 1
Mr Bowes's Klorinska, Bst 71b
Count Batthyany's King Charming, 9st 21b, inc 61b ex
(Custance) 3
Mr R. Boyce's Cripplegate, Bst 101 b ....... • • • (Boyce) 4
Mr Naylor's Island Chief, Bst 101 b (Uhalloner) b

Mr Child said he would be considered a traveller, and
he himself in the same position should think himself en-
titled to the privileges of one.

Mr Arnold observed a source of conflict would arise
from that; the law would become a dead letter. If a
man in such a case was really a traveller then this law as
applied to large towns like London would become quite an
absurdity. Every innkeeper was bound to supply refresh-
ment either in board or victuals, and hence the name of
licensed victuallers; but in the present day these did not
seem to be required, but beer and gin. The innkeeper was
to find meat and drink for the wayfarer. The old law had
been carried into the new licences, and thus it became an
absurdity. It was a wonder that something had not been
adopted by the legislature, and that the law in this case
should remain exactly as it was hundreds of years ago.
There should be a distinction between London public-houses
and country inns.
Mr Child said he quoted his argument to show that the
legislature intended that persons arriving at railway sta-

Betting-7 to 4 agst latraftir, 2to 1 each agst King
Charming and Klorinska.
They ran nearly in a line into the Abingdon mile bottom,
where King Charming drew slightly in advance, but was
caught half way in the cords by Klorinska. and Miraflor,
the three running locked together to within a few
strides of home, when King Charming, tiring under the
weight, gave way, leaving the issue with the two, who
finished with a dead heat; a head only separated the Count's
colt from the pair, Cripplegate was fourth, close up. Island
Chief beaten off.

Deciding heat.—Betting 6 to 5 on Mirafior, who made
the running and won a fine race by a head.

The Select Stakes of 50 soya each, h ft for 3:yr- olda, colts Bst

tions should have the privileges mentioned in this last
clause, and that persons departing from railway stations
should be deemed travellers.

101 b, and fillies Bst 71b; winners extra. R.M. 7 subs.
Lord Stamford's Cambuscan, Bst 71b ...... (Edwards) w.o.
lilateh.—Lass 3 furlongs of R.M. 25 sous.

Mr Arnold observed that there was nothing said about
travellers ; it was persons.

Mr Holmes's Paradise, 3 yrs, Est 111 b (T. Grimshaw) 1
Mr Preston's Vicksburg, 2 yrs. Tat 111 b...., (T. French) 2
Betting-7 to 4on Paradise, who made all the running,
and won in a canter by four lengths.

Mr Child said, although the word traveller was not used,
still, from the construction of the act, it was clearly the in•
tention of the legislature to apply it to persons arriving at
or departing from railway stations. It pointed to them, and
meant them as travellers.

LATEST BETTING ON THE COURSE.
CAMBRIDGESHIRE.
100 to 6 agst Stockinger (taken)
BETTING AT MIDNIGHT.
CAMBRIDGESHIRE.
6to 1 agst Gratitude (taken)
100 to 8 agst Prince Plausible (taken)
13 to 1 agst Stockinger (taken)
100 to 7 agst Tattoo (taken)
100 to 7 aget Muezzin (taken)
20 to 1 agst Brick (taken)
25 to 1 eget Accident (taken)
25 to 1 agst Saccharometer (taken)
40 to 1 aget Adventurer (taken)
40 to 1 agst Birchbroom (taken)
50 to 1 agst Soumiee (taken)
DERBY.
40 to 1 agst Brother to Mile (taken)

Mr Arnold—lf the act had used the word " traveller,"
then Mr Child's argument would have appl;cd to the case
in point.
Mr Child submitted the case he had prepared, and it
having been approved of by Inspecter Hbward.
Mr Arnold said he should submit it to his colleague, and
Mr Fisher was bound over in £2O to prosecute the case in
the Court of Queen's Bench. It was perfectly understood
that the police would not again interfere till it was decided,
and that Mr Fisher should use the utmost caution cn the
occasion of serving,

Mr. Alderman Salomons, M.P., and his

Constituents.

Last evening Mr Alderman Salomons met his constitu-
ents at the Lecture-hall, Greenwich, to render his annual
account of his stewardship. The hall was pretty well filled
but was by means crowded. Dr. Purvis was called to the
chair.

New Match—The following match has been made for
Friday next, between Lord Glasgow's General Peel, Bst
101 b, agst Lord Stamford's Cambuscan, Bst 81b, for 500
sovs, h ft. A.F. The betting at present is 11 to 10 on
General Peel.

Mr Alderman SALOMON; who was received with cheers,
said the last session had been called a nothing session—
but he found that,while in 1863, 125 public acts were passed,
in 1864, there 121 ; while there were 329 private acts
against 238 in 1863. But this led to the question, what
did Parliament meet for ? Parliament did not meet for what
might be called sensation business. Happily for all the
great questions were now settled, and Parliament now met
to improve the laws, and to deal with financial questions.
If they looked to the legislation of late years, they would
find that there had been a constant tendency to the im-
provement of the laws of the country and to the ease of the
burdens of the people. Last year they had a surplus re-
venue of two mit., ens and a half, and during the session
taxes had been reduced to the amount of three millions and
a half, One great question had arisen during the session,
the Danish question. The session opened under gloomy
circumstances. They all felt deeply interested in the fate
of Denmark. The German pcwers were pressing upon it,
and it became a question whether we should not be obliged
by the treaty of 1852 to make common cause with Denmark.
The Government, however, wisely proposed a conference,
and the Danes themselves were responsible for the way in
which that conference ended. The course taken by the
Government was challenged by the opposition,and there was
a great party struggle on the motion of Mr Disraeli " that
the conduct of the Government had lowered the just influ
once of this country in the eouncils of Europe, and thereby
diminished the securities for peace." He could not have
brought himself to vote for such a motion as that. (Cheers.)
That was the great question of last session. Every other
question paled before it. They had several other questions
—proposals for reform on a small scale—on all of which he
voted in accordance with his principles. After all, the ques-
tion of reform in Parliament was a question that belonged to
the electors. If they were in earnest in the matter it would
make progress, but it never would make progress if the
people remained equally balanced and divided upon it.
He regretted to find that the civil war across the Atlantic
still continued. He had long thought that the governments
of Europe might interfere, and he thought that they might
now interfere by negotiation—(Cries of " No.")—not inter-
vention. He had been always against intervention. While
the Government had acted on the principle of non-inter-
vention they had upheld the dignity of the country, and
had shown that they were determined to protect our flag.
One species of legislation he had always promoted, and that
was, all that tended to promote the social comfort and well
being of the people. Under this category he included edu-
cation. The education of the children of the poorer classes
had made great progress, In 1859, the number of children
attending the sehools which were aided by Government was
461,445, and they had gradually increased, until in 1863 they
were 1,057,426. And now, reverting to another sutject, the
subject of trade. In 1861 they had the commercial treaty
with France. Adverting to that subject led him to remark
that he regretted the observations that had recently been
made in depreciation of the ruler of that country, We had
only to speak of him as regarded his conduct and good faith
towards his allies. The mode in which he conducted the
affairs of France was a matter between him and his
people. The Emperor Napoleon had shown good faith
towards this country, and a great deal of the good feeling
between Englishmen and Frenchmen was owing to the
political conduct of the Emperor. He never met the Em-
peror when he was in this country before he became Emperor,
but he was introduced to him while he was President, and
he said to him, "When you return you may assure your
countrymen that I never shall forget the asylum I received
in England, and I shall do my best to promote the best un-
derstanding between England and France." Looking back
to what had taken place in the last five or six years he
thought they might fairly say that the present Parliament
had promoted peace, and it had reduced taxation to the
amount of not less than ten millions a year. They might
ask whether he had done anything himself. Well he might
tell them that the great art in the House of Commons was
not to talk but to hold your tongue. There were plenty of
persons to talk and but few that the house was willing often
to listen to. The house however would always,listen to any
member who was thought to have special information on
any particular subject; and there were one or two subjects
to which he had given special attention which he had ven-
tured to bring forward in the house. One was the justice of
Government being required to contribute to the local rates
and taxes in respect to any establishment it might have in
any particular parish. He believed there were many mem-
bers who were now disposed to pay attention to the ques-
tion, and he trusted that next session he should be enabled
to bring forward with a chance of success a measure which
would put Government establishments on the same footing
as private manufacturing establishments. Another question
which he was desirous of bringing forward was the increas-
ing necessity for better roads and additional bridges in the
metropolis. He could not conceive an) thing more tibsut d,
more barbarous, or more injurious to the working popula-
tion than that they should be attempting to force the whole
of the traffic of the eastern part of London over one single
bridge. It had a paralysing effect on the population. Now
that the proprietors of Southwark-bridge were inclined to
take a reasonable sum for it, he trusted that some arrange-
ment would be made by the corporation to secure its being
opened to the public. In conclusion, the hon. member said
he was ready to answer any question that might be put to
him, and he trusted that, having had a lease for seven years,
when he came before them, as he probably shortly should,
for a renewal, they would consider that he had been a goca
tenant and was deserving of their confidence.
Mr HOLLAND asked the hon. member if he included
Creek-bridge amongst those he intended to endeavour to
throw open.
Mr Alderman SALOMONS replied that he did.
Mr ROCK then moved—" That this meeting having heard
the statement of Mr Alderman Salomons, hereby records
its appreciation of his services during the past session of
Parliament, and its continued confidence in him as one of
the representatives of the borough."
Mr BASS seconded, and the motion passed with acclama-
tion.

......'....•••0

SCRATCHINGS AT NEWMARKET.

Newmarket Oaks— All have paid forfeit but tho follow-
ing : Fair Sophia, Teneriffe, Syren, Bradamante, Pre-
scription, Auricula, Beatrix, Fille de l'Air, Tomato, Breeze,
Evelina, Molly Carew, Chalybeate, Lady Mary, Bigotry,
Battaglia, and Goldylocks.

_ .
• Bretby Stakes-11e following are left in :—Elaine,
Klarinska, White Duck, and Convent.
Sweepstakes of 300 Soya—The following have paid :
Anadyomene and Archimedes.
Sweepstakes of 500 Sovs. ILM.—General Peel walks
over.

The Caversham Stakes at Reading —This race has been
awarded by the stewards of the Jockey Club to Nebuchad-
nezzar, who came in first.

BETTING AT
cAAIAIBNRICE.H.GEms.SHTTERER. —WEDNESDAY,
6 to 1 agst Gratitude (take 100 to 15)
100 to 6 agat Prince Plausible (taken)
100 to 6 aget Bayard (taken)
100 to 6 agst Muezzin (taken)
100 to 6 agst Tattoo (offered)
20 to 1 agst Brick (taken)
20 to 1 agat Stockinger (taken)
25 to 1 agst Accident (taken)
25 to 1 agst Trap (taken)

Important Decision._gailway Refreshment
Rooms.

It will be remembered that a few days since Mr. Arnold
gave his decision, concurrently with that of his brother
magistrate at the Westminster Police-court in a case of the
legality of considering persons departing from railway
stations as travellers. The question had arisen out of a
complaint against Mr. Robert Fisher, proprietor of the
refreshment-rooms at the Victoria station, Pimlico, and on
judgment being pronounced and the defendant convicted,
Mr. Child, solicitor to the Licensed Victuallers' Protection
Society, availed himself of a suggestion thrown out by the
magistrate, and said he should like to state a case and take
it up for decision to a superior court, but before doing so
he begged to call the attention of the magistrates to the
27th and 28th Victoria, cap. 64, sec. 10, an act passed last
session of Parliament, for the regulation of refreshment.
houses, the last section of which says, " Nothing herein
contained shall apply to the sale at a railway station between
the hours cf one and four o'clock in the morning of excis •
able liquors or refreshments to persons arriving at or de-
parting from such station by railroad." Mr. Arnold upon
this begged it to be considered that his decision had not
been given, and took time to see whether it would haveany
bearing on the matter at present under consideration ; and
yesterday Mr. Child again attended to ascertain the magis-
trate's views on the subject, and, should his decision be
adverse, to state a case, and enter into the necessary recog-
nisances to have the matter decided in the Court of Queen's
Bench.
Mr. Arnold said he had considered the clause of the
act of Parliament referred to by Mr Child, and he did not
think it had any bearing upon the question before him, espe-
cially as the latter part of the 6th section of the very same
act said—" Nothing herein contained shall authorise a
or otherwise. than during the times at
licensed victualler to sell exciseable. liquors, on any Sunday,
Christmas-day, Good Friday, or day appointed for public
ogwivi:ugthormed by law to sell the same, or au-
way in which
hyild could use
only
upon it,
wftahilsotircillsreitillaiyilskonsther person to sell exciseable liquors, keep open
any refreshment house, or sell refreshments otherwise than
at the times and upon the conditio,n,s prescribed by the acts
magistrate)sithat
dbehb ealft mot hfaooduue.gnhdtaTnmh earor
that if persons arriving at railway. stations were travellers,
then persons departing from stations wore travellers.
oht
hfe (thela 10th section worthyn
ent in
Mr Child remarked that was precisely What he intended
to do, If persons arriving were travellers, so were those
departing.
2lr Arnold said the act of Parliament did not speak of
them as travellers. It made an exception for " persons"
arriving at and departing from, but it did not designate
them as travellers. The argument cut both ways.
Perhaps his opinion might be erroneous that a person
arriving at a railway station was a traveller. It might be
that he was no longer in the situation of a traveller to
whom a publican was allowed and in fact compelled to
give refreshment as he had finished his journey. He did
not think the section applied ; it did not treat these persons
as travellers. If it had refreshment to travellers then there
would have been a strong argument ; but the section did not
throw any light upon the present case, which seemed, from
the correspondence going on in the newspapers, to have
excited considerable attention and interest ; and the general
supposition seemed to be that a person intending to go by
a railway became a traveller the moment he left his house
for the purpose of going to the station, whether in a cab, his
own carriage, omnibus, or in any other way. If that were
the case the person would have a tight to stop at any public-
house on the road and receive refreshment, and the result
would be that all the public-houses would be opened at all
hours for persons going by a railway ; and he had no doubt
the publicans would let them in, and thus the law relating
to Sunday closing would be a dead letter in a large town,
like London, for instance. He and his colleague (Mr Selfe)
still retained it as their opinion that a person going to a rail-
way station under ordinary circumstances was not a travel-
ler until he had begun a journey. But at the same time he
would not pretend to decide that any person might not be
a traveller, and that there might not be exceptional cases.
Suppose a person arrived at the Great Western Railway
station, and then took a cab to Victoria, he thought that
would be an exceptional case. Their decision, therefore,
was that the parties in this case who came to the station
were not travellers in the meaning of the Police Act, under
which the summons bad been taken out.
Mr Child observed that ever since the passing of this
I statute his worship was a are that there had beta a diffi-

A vote of thanks was then given to Dr. Purvis for his
conduct in the chair, and the meeting separated.