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London, England, 1852-02-12 00:00:00

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Sir DENHAM NOLifIEYS reminded the House that
Sir Henry De Is Beebe was a geologist, and
not a
medical man, who had studied ventilation, and also
recalled to their recollection that Dr. Reid
promised to give them good ventilation in the old House,
and he kept his word. Why not, then, call upon him to
make a similar promise in respect to this building, and
give him ample means and full authority to carry it out?
Mr. FITZROY had already recommended the House
to appoint a Committee to investigate this matter, and
if his recommendation had been adopted they would
have been nearer a remedy for the evils under which
they suffered than they were at present.—(Hear, hear.)
He was now, however, disposed to advise the House to
leave the whole subject in the hands of the Noble Lord
at the head of the Woods and Forests, and he moved an
amendment to that effect accordingly.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir R. H. INGLIS seconded this proposal. He did
not think the House was a fair or proper tribunal for
settling this question, but nevertheless the sooner they
got rid of the present windows the better. It was better
to have a good artificial light in the middle of the day
than a bad natural, or rather an unnatural light, and he
trusted this part of the subject would not be lost sight of.
The expenditure which had been disclosed to them
to-day was monstrous, and he therefore thought
the best course the House could pursue was to leave the
whole matter in the hands of the Noble Lord opposite,
who would be responsible to the House for what he did.
Mr. E. B. HOCUE, so far from regretting that the
House had taken this matter into its own hands, he for
one rejoiced that the House had called Dr. Reid to
the bar, for it had led to the disclosure of facts that
would astound the public, he was sure, as much
as it had surprised the House itself.—(Hear, hear.)
The lightine' and ventilating of the House ought to be
conducted by the same party, and so long as the two were
kept separate, so long would the House suffer from the
evils which it complained of.—(Hear, hear.) It almost
appeared to him that the best course to pursue was to
dismiss both Dr. Reid and Mr. Barry. They could not
agree, and the consequence was, that while one was
blowing hot, the other was puffing cold air upon the
House.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. GREENE felt it due to Dr. Reid and Mr. Barry to
state that much of the expense referred to by the Noble
Lord at the head of tee Woods and Forests had been in-
curred at the recommendation of the House itself in
some of its Committees, but at the same time he also
felt it necessary to warn the House against
leaving the adjustment of this question to a person who
could not be held responsible to the House. It was
much better to leave it in the hands of the Noble Lord,
as it had already been proposed, and then the House
would have some guarantee that its convenience and
comfort would be attended to ,—(Hear, hear.)
Lord HARRY VANE expressed a hope that the
amendment would be adopted, but with this under-
standing, that the Noble Lord should have full power
to consult or call in to his assistatme whomsoever he
pleased.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME thweeso, the object of the proposer of the
original carienon had been obtained, for the Noble Lord
ad/netted that the lighting and ventilating of the House
were not only defective, but that they ought not to be
under separate management, and the House, therefore,
could have no difficasty in adopting that part of
the original resolution, which affirmed the same thing.
—(Hear, hear.) Having done that, he could see no ob-
jection to leaving the matter in the hands of the Noble
Lord, who would in future be responsible to the House
for the expenditure.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. PACKE thought it was clear that much of the
public money bad been wasted through the disunion
which existed between this House and the House of
Lords upon this matter. They ought to have co-operated
together, and then the work would have been well and
economically done.—(Hear, hear.)
Colonel SIBTHORP was at a loss to see what re-
sponsibility would attach to the Noble Lord if the House
left the matter in his hands, for if he was not mistaken
the Government would be shortly kicked out, and
then where would be the responsibility of the Noble
Lord?—(Hear and laughter.) Why, having spent the
public money as he liked, the Noble Lord would snap
his fingers at the House when out of effice, and refuse to
give any explanation.—(A laugh.) He viewed all Com-
missioners and Treasury-bench responsibility gentlemen
with suspicion.—(A laugh.)
After a few words from Ar. COWAN,
Mr. B. OSBORNE said that no one could have lis-
tened to the Noble Lord the First Commissioner with-
out seeing that his mind had been greatly influenced by
Mr. Barry. He wished to guard the House against
this, for what security had it against the dismissal of
Dr. Reid by the Noble Lord, and the substitu-
tion of Mr. Barry's plan of non-ventilation. He had
not framed those resolutions without considerable
thought, and if a sufficient number of Members would
support him, he would stand by them. The Noble Lord
might very likely listen to other ventilators, and then all
the expense which they had already incurred in pur-
chasing Dr. Reid's plans would be thrown away; and
while he was doing so, the health of Hon. Members
would be ruined. Indeed, he could almost fancy already
that he saw some of his respectable friends growing
older every day before his eyes.—(Laughter.)
After a few words of explanation from Lord
SEYMOUR,

The House divided, when there appeared—
For the first resolution ... 96
Against it... ... ••• ... 68
Majority ••• —2B
The other resolutions were then agreed to without a
division.

IRISH WORKS.
Colonel DUNNE moved for returns of all works the
execution of which was undertaken by the Board of
Works, on the authority of the Lords Commis-
sioners of the Treasury, under the Act 9 and 10 Vic., c.
107. and of the certificates given, according to the Bth
section of said Act, to the secretaries of grand juries in
Ireland, of the execution of such works.
Mr. E B. ROCHE, in seconding the motion, hoped
that it would be remarked by those who said
that Ireland wished to repudiate the sums
which had been advanced to her that Irish
Members bad not lost a moment in a....king for a Lill of
particulars. No parties in Ireland had shown the
slightest inclination to repudiate, but they said that the
Government had debited to the account of Ireland about
twice as much as she had received.
Mr. F. FRENCH supported the motion.
Sir LUCIUS O'BRIEN said it was a mistake to call
these works at all, they were merely a clumsy contriv-
ance to distribute money among a starving people. The
responsibility did not rest, therefore, with the landed
gentry and persons of property in Ireland, but with the
Government.
After a few words from Mr. NAPIER, the return was
agreed to.
Colonel DUNNE then moved for returns of each
work undertaken under the provisions of the Act 9 Vie.,
c. 1, and 9 and 10 Vic., c. 107; also, for works under-
taken under Mr. Labouchere's letter; and of the reasons
for not giving any of the above information when it is foundimpracticable to do so.—Agreed to.
PRINTING.
On the motion of Mr. C. LEWIS, the following mo-
tion was agreed to:—'+ Select Committee to assist Mr.
Speaker in all matters which relate to the printing ex-
ecuted by order of this House, and for the purpose of
selecting and arranging for printing returns and papers
presented in pursuance of motions made by Members of
this House”—Mr. Cornewall Lewis, Sir Robert Harry
Inglis, Mr. Posey, Mr. Strutt, Sir John Young, Viscount
Mahon, Mr. John Greene, Mr. Cardwell, and Mr. Loch.
Three to be a quorum.

INCOME-TAX.
Mr. lIUME moved for the re-appointment of a Com-
mittee to inquire into the present mode of assessing and
collecting the income and property-tax, whether any
other mode of levying the same, so as to render the tax
more equitable, can be adopted, and to nominate the fol-
lowing Members:—The Chancellor of the Exchequer,
Mr. Thomas Baring, Mr. Cobden, Mr. Disraeli, Mr.
Horsman, Mr. Henley, Mr. Vesey, Mr. Mackenzie, Mr.
James Mr. Ricardo, Mr. Roebuck, Col. Hominy,
Lord Harry Vane, and Mr. Sotheron.—Agreed to.