The Sun.
London, England, 1864-07-08 00:00:00

WESTMINSTER.

Boak, 17, South-
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respectably dressed
young men, were charged before Mr Selfe with causing a
disturbance near Battersea-tridge.

I Police-constable Gower, V 132, stated that about half-
past three o'clock that morning he was near Battersea-
bridge, when he heard a great disturbance. He went
towards the bridge and there saw several persons fighting
with each other near the World's End publichouse. The
prisoners were among them. He induced the mob to dis-
perse with the exception of the prisoners, who were drunk
and refused to leave. As Gadner insisted on not going
away witness was obliged to take him into custody. On
his way to the station-house he became very violent. He
also acted in a very violent manner at the station-houso.
Mr Selle—What did the other prisoner do?
Constable —He said that he would not leave while his
friend was in the station.

Boak—You forced me into the cell and I was locked up.
Constable—You refused to leave, and I was obliged to
lock you up,

Gadner was fined 10s, and Boak was discharged.

THANIES.
DARING STREET ROPRERT.—Tames Coleman, a most
audacious young thief, who belongs to a lawless gang fre-
quenting Ratcliff-highway and adjacent streets,was brought
before Mr. Paget chargei with assaulting and robbing a
foreign sailor named Rushman Anderson,
The manner in which many robberies had been effected
by the Ratcliff•highway thieves of late is somewhat inge-
nious as well as impudent, Sailors have been surrounded
by lads, one of whom calls the attention of the victim to
s )me dirt on his shoulder, while one or two others dd.
ciously offer their services to wine it off, and another, while
his attention is engaged, rifles his pockets or snatches his
watch, In this m tuner the prosecutor, who belongs to
the ship Hamburg, lying in the Commercial Dock,
was accosted yesterday afternoon, Several boys, in-
cluding the prisoner, came round him, and he felt a tug
at his right trousers pocket; hts purse, containing £1 15s,
was gone. The purse was in the prisoner's hand. The
prisoner shouted loudly for the police, and assistance was
readily afforded by a respectable man named Bernard Kop-
per, of No. 8, Wurwick-place West, Pimlico, furniture
dealer. He was in a house in Ratcliff-highway, and heard
" Give me my money." He went
einrs.gawouttheprosecutor and the prisoner
Anothern man caught hold of the
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money were in his hand, and taken from him. Stroud
said the prisoner had been in custody ten times, and had
been summarily convicted,

The prisoner, in his defence, said he took no money from
the prosecutor. Two or three other boys did so. He was
coming along the Highway, and a boy put the sailor's
purse and money into his hand. The sailor took it out of
his hand and gave him into custody.
Mr Paget committed the prisoner for trial.
Thhis purse and money.
have your money when the trial is over.
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Mr Paget--I cannot help that, would sail to. morrow.

TlmEs.—The pubic read the epeeehes in Parlia-
ment with more or less pleasure and instruction.
They admire the dexterity with which Mr. Dis-
raeli commends everything done by Government in
the Danish affair, yet finds reason for an adverse
vote in something else of their doing which has
spoilt their Danish policy. They admire Gladstone's
thunder, Roebuck's biting satire, and Horsman's
splendid impartiality. We, in the exercise of our
vocation, comment on these speeches ; we treat them
as manifestoes in the great war of opinion. No doubt
they have a certain amount of European fame. Our
French neighbours at least can understand them,and
are disposed to do them justice. But all this time
it is perfectly well known that the real business in
hand is done in a very different manner. Long..
headed politicians, with much knowledge of cha-
racter and of the ways of mortal men, are going
about counting betide, computing interests,and doing
little sums in addition and subtraction of immense
significance. They do this because they know, as
every body knows, thatvotes are decided out of doors,
and that the division tonight would be much the
same had every speaker spoken in an unknown
tongue which there was nobody to interpret. From
day to day, from hour to hour, various figures have
gone about as the predestinated event of this debate.
Twenty, five and twenty, a dozen or fifteen, a mare
shave, a downright minority have been rumourted in
turn,the differences of estin.ate being referable to the
he&lth or the engagements of members rather than
their opinions. 'We believe that the most corikuna-
mate eloquence would no more affect the division
than it would turn cats into doge, or dogs into Cats.
As matters now stand, and unless somethisag very
unexpected intervenes, not to change wands, but to
prevent bodies making an appearance, we expect a
very modest majority indeed, but still a majority.
England is expected to yield a majority of 32 for
Ministers, Scotland a majority of 23, amounting to
a majority of 55 for the whole island. Ireland,
however, is booked for a majority of 51 against
Ministers, leaving a net majority of 5. The
lation which gives these differences aul").asas 320
to vote on one side and 316 on th© otlner--1 very
large muster, and one which call''..ut be reckoned
upon with anything like certai a.dy, even if we had
the promise of every membei. under his sign manual.
The first reflection that ;oust present itself to every-
body is that the 'real question is an Irish one.
If Ministers arr., beaten, they wiil be beaten by Ire-
land, and what is more, Great Britain will be beaten
by Ireland. This is not the first time that one ques-
tion has been tried under the form of another, for it
is a very old remark that nearly every question is
tried in this country under a false issue. The Irish
members tacitly admit the littiainterest they feel in
the matter actually under discussion, for till Mr.
Cogan broke their silence last night they had wholly.
abstained (roan the debate. That gentleman's re-
ferences to Danish affairs are but slight and casual.
He follows the lead of Mr. Disraeli, in throwing
such Malmo as there is on the Foreign Secretary;
and is even more emphatic in his admiration of the
Premier. In effect, hoa ever, he makes this a
general question of confidence, that ordeal which
Government may escape from one debate to an-
other, from one session to another, but which must
come at last, perhaps when least expected, not to
say least deserved.

DAILY NEWS.—The British soldier, even after
Mr. Cobden's proclamation, of the millennium, re-
mains an object of great interest. Utility and
scarceness combine to make him a valuable creature,
although the India-office silt refuses to protect his
life in our Eastern Empire by the arrangements
which sanitary science prescribes, and althieugla in
New Zealand the services of a whole division are
dedicated to the inglorious occupation of seizing
the land of savages for civilised settlers. Although
of the commonest material, he costs a great deal in
the finished state, and just as he has arrived at
perfection his obligation to service expires, and we
have to tempt him anew. The difficulties we ex-
perience in keeping up our army in a state of
efficiency will probably increase rather than diminish
for the next few years, until we have mastered all
the elements of what is obviously a state of transi-
tion, and placed the maintenance of our military
force on a basis more in accordance with the
changed and still changing economic and social
conditions of the classes from which our regiments
are recruited. In the meantime, with our present
lights, we can see ways of making the soldier's life
more attractive within the actual limits of his duty
and pay. The ;year), monotony of that life in time
of peace, arising from want of occupation, has long
been recognised as a source of temptation to courses
destructive of his health and efficiency, and there-
tore injurious to the country which he serves.
Experience proves that whatever calls into play
the better qualities of a man raises him in the
process above the influences which lead to vice.
A few years ago an attempt was made to turn this
knowledge to account in the army. General
Craufurd, who visited the camp of Chalons in
the summer of 1861, observed that the French
soldiers were very handy, able to shift for them-
selves, and be useful to their company, through the
knowledge which most of them possessed of some
trade. He recorded his observations in a report
addressed to the War-office, and suggested that it
was worthy of inquiry whether something in the
same direction might not be done for the advan-
tage of the British soldier. The late Sir G. Lewis
looked very favourably on the suggestion, and a
committee of officers was appointed to investigate
the subject. The General and other officers com-
manding districts in England were written to, and
asked to assemble boards of qualified officers, and
take their opinion. An overwhelming majority of
the officers stated that it would be of immense ad-
vaneage to the service if means were afforded by
which the soldier could learn and pursue a trade,
under proper regulations. The Chatham board of
officers, whose return may be taken as a specimen
of the reports generally, declared their conviction
that " the benefit to the soldier from the proposed
system would be invaluable. It would in no way
diminish his efficiency--it would increase his use-
fulnass on service, and in quarters occupy his time
so se to keep him a great deal out of the way of
vice and add to hls contentment. It would also
make the army more popular, and attract a better
class of men into it." But although this was the
opinion of the best officers of the army, the scheme
fell through, his Royal Highness the Commander-
in-Chief having unfortunately acquired the convic-
tion that men would not stay in the army if they
were taught how they might get a living out of it.
We hope that what is doing now at Aldershott
may be taken as a proof that better counsels
are prevailing at the Horse Guards. Aldershot has
produced an Industrial Exhibition. Under the
guidance and encouragement of officers who show
they are worthy to command, the soldiers at the
camp have furnished the products of their skill and
industry, which are now displayed in the Aldershot
Club-house, forming a most interesting collection.
Every regiment in camp—horse, foot, artillery, and
engineers—has sent something for exhibition, and
not only the men but their wives and children, and
the wives of the officers, have contributed articles.
Besides armourers' and smiths' work, harness,
accoutrements, and military engineering instrue
ments, there are specimens of carving, carpentering,
cabinet work, which show the men to be equal to
the demands either of military or civil life. The
remarkable feature of the exhibition is the evidence
it offers of the correctness of the opinion of those
officers who reported three years ego in favour of
encouraging the soldier to pursue some industrial
occupation in his leisure time. We may take it for
certain that the men who have furnished the stalls
at this exhibition are not the worst but the best
men in their several corps ; and we have in this
display of their work an indication of the way in
which a good soldier is led by choice, when left to
his own good sense, to spend his spare time. It may
be said that the testimony of the men-themselvesis
now added to that of the officers who supportedin
favour of General Craw furd's recommendation. We
may hope that this exhibition will break down the
last remaining prejudice that has operated to pre-
vent the establishment of workshops for soldiers,
which have been found of so much advantage in
India.

HOUSE OF LORDS—This Evening,
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at the usual hour.
There was a very large attendance of ladies present this
evening in the galleries around the house, and the space
before the throne was well filled. All the ministers were
in ,their seats, but that usually occupied by the Earl of
Derby on the opposite side of the house was vacant, o wing
to the Indisposition of the noble earl.
Just as the Earl of Malmesbury commenced his speech
the Prince and Princess of Wales entered the house. The
Prince took his accustomed seat on the cross bench, and the
Princess occupied a place in the gallery on the left of the
throne.

THIRD READINGS.
The following bills were read a third time and passed :
Wensuin Valley Railway—Pembroke and Tenby Railway
—Belfast Improvement—Somerset and Dorset Railway—
London and Blackwell Railway—Llanelly Railway and
Docks (No. 2)—Tottenham and Hampstead Junction Rail-
way—Aylesbury and Buckingham Railway.
BARBARITIES BY THE PRUSSIANS.
Earl RUSSELL, in reference to a question put to him
the other evening by the Earl of Shaftesbury, relative to
the alleged bayonetting of 400 wounded Swedish volunteers
by the Prussians, said he had received a telegram from her
Majesty's Minister at Copenhagen and another from her
Majesty's A•.mbassador at Berlin, and the effect of those
communications was that there was no truth whatever in
the reports circulated.

THE VOTE OF CENSURE-DENMARK AND
GERMANY.

The Earl of MALMESBURY moved with reference to
the Conference, that it is the opinion of this house that
while the course pursued by her Majesty's Government
has failed to maintain their avowed policy of uphclding
the integrity and independence of Denmark, it has lowered
the just influence of this country in the councils of Europe,
and thereby diminished the securities for peace. He
regretted the absence of a most distinguished member
of their lordships' house, because by that circumstance it
became his duty to move the resolution now before their
lordships, which he felt certain would have been done with
greater effect by his noble friend. He would not commence
his observations with taking notice of a circumstance whioi
had occurred in another place, viz,, that it had been stated
that the noble earl (Russell) had only carried on the
negotiations on the subject of Schleswig-Holstein in con-
currence with the opinions contained in a number of
deepatches written by him (Earl Malmesbury) when he had
the honour to hold the seals of the War Office. All he
could say was that if that correspondence was in existence
ho thought it nothing but right that Parliament should be
made acquainted with it, and that copies of it should be laid
upon the table of their lordship? house. (Hear, hear,
from the Opposition.) The subject he was about to bring
under the attention of their lordshtps was one of the greatest
importance, and he had to ask their forbearance while he
addressed them, but he would endeavour to compress his
observations into the narrowest limits. Referrine, to the
question as to what was the Conservative policy, he said it
was impossible for them to define what they would
do, when it was impossible to say in what cir-
cumstances they would be placed. Ile might with
just as much fairness ask another question, and that was,
What would the present Government do if they were in
opposition? (Hear, hear, and laughter.) It would be quite
as lair. (Laughter.) He would tell what they would do—
they would ens: savour to turn their opponents out as soon
as possible. (Laughter.) He did not say that it would bo
wise now to go to war ; but ho was prepared to say that there
was a moment when, if the Government had taken a strong
tone and made a strong stand war would have been avoided.'
(Hear, hear.) That was not his opinion alone. Ho had
heard such opinions by Germans, and they, it would at
once be admitted, were competent judges; and he trusted
before lie sat down he should be able to prove that such
was the case. He was prepared to show that the Govern-
ment had brought about this state of things by their own
faults. (Hear.) All municipal differences in Schleswig
and Holstein were totally and distinctly marked off from
international questions. With the municipal questions
foreign Governments had nothing to do. It vas with the
international questions that interference should be justified.
That distinction the Government had failed to keep in
view. All through the question the noble earl (Russell)
acted too much as a partizan; he had failed to keep himself
independent. and thus he had cut the ground from under
his feet. (Hear, hear.) All the ground that would have
enabled him to be looked upon as a fit statesman
to arbitrate upon the difference between the parties.
One instance of his conduct was shown on the 29th of
April, 1861, when the noble lord proposed to Denmark
new constitution for itself in connection with the Duchies.
The next point he touched upon was the statement made
by Lord Palmerston, when he said that if certain events
come to pass Denmark should not stand alone. There was
only one interpretation to be put upon that. It meant that
if Denmark were molested, England would stand at her
side—(hear, hear)—and, of course, defend her. (Hear,
hear.) There could be no other construction put upon
such a declaration.