The Sun.
London, England, 1852-03-17 00:00:00

M. POITEVIN, THE AERONAUT.

M. Poitevin, the well-known aeronaut, being at Turin,
in January, 1850, entered into an agreement with a M.
and Madame Barberis to make balloon ascents in the prin-
cipal towns of Spain and Portugal, they advancing him
6,500 f. In the event of the ascents in these two countries
not producing sufficient to repay the Barberis their ad-
vance, it was agreed that ascents should take place in
other towns. Finding that the journey to Spain would be
very expensive, and that there were already aeronauts in
the country, Poitevin did not proceed there; but coming
to Paris, he made numerous ascents in the Champs-de-
Mars and and at the Hippodrome, in the course of
1850 and 1851. He repaid M. and Madame Barberis
4,000 f. of their advance. They maintained that,
according to their agreement, they were entitled to
a share in the receipts obtained at Paris;
but Poitevin, alleging that it only applied to Spain
and Portugal, refused to pay them. An action was
brought, and Poitevin was condemned to account
for his ascensions in France. Ho appealed against this
decision on Saturday to the Court ot Appeal, and the
case was argued at some length. But, as it clearly ap-
peared from letters addressed by him to the Barberis
that he had considered they were entitled to a share
in his profits at Paris, the judgment was con-
firmed. These letters were written in a rather
singular style. In ono he declared that he bad
entered int' an agreement to go to London, to
make six ascensions on horseback, at the rate of 50,000 f.
each ascension, and others equally advantageous for
other large towns, but that ho had been prevented by
" a stupid animal of a judge," in virtue ot the law for
preventing cruelty to animals. In this letter he de-
clared that he had already achieved "an im-
mortal reputation," that he was " the most au-
dacious, the most learned, the most renowned,
the most celebrated, and the most extraordinary aero-
naut that exists or ever existed," and that " the famous
Green and Gale were vanquished by him, and had been
driven by him from Paris." In another letter he said
that he did not like to have actions at law, and that " he
had thrashed people who had commenced them against
him ;" also that he had " challenged them to fight with
sword, pistol, and musket."—Galignani.

THE NEW COLOURS OF THE FRENCH ARMY.
The manufactories at Lyons are actively employed in
making the silk for the colours to be presented to the
army and National Guards. As soon as a piece of the
silk is made it is forwarded to the Ministry of War,
where it undergoes a trial to test the goodness of the
dye. These colours, the silk of which is double, will
be ninety centimetres square, as they were under
the empire; the standards of the cavalry will be sixty
centimetres. On one side will be inscribed in gold
letters :—" Louis Napoleon au regiment." At the four
corners will be placed a wreath of oak, within which
will be the initials L. N., and the number of the
regiment. On the other side the corners will be
similar, but on the white stripe will be inscribed
the initials R. F., and under theta the campaigns
in which the regiment has distinguished itself since
its formation. The colour staff will be surmounted by
a gilded eagle. Under it will be, on one side, the let-
ter& R. F.; and, on the other, the number of the regi-
ment. The staff will be ornamented with a tri• colour
colour knot fringed with gold like the flag. The colours
of each battalion of the national guards will be similar
to those of the army, except that the fringe will be in
silver. These colours are all to be completed by the
25th of April next.

COURSE OF EIC
Amsterdam ...... •• • . 11 19%
Ditto, three months.. 12 0%
Rotterdam .... • ... .. 12 0%
Antwerp 25 52%
Brussels 25 5234
Hamburgh ..M.B. 13 11%
Paris, 3 days'sight .. • • 25 35
Ditto, 3 months .... 25 55
Marseilles .......... •25 55
Bourdeaux •• • • ••• • • • •
Prankforton,Maine.. 122
Berlin.... • • ...... • • • •
Vienna, eireo. 12 46
Trieste, ditto.... • • .... 12 48
Petersburgh,Sll. Rble•• 37%
Madrid .....• 50
Cadiz _ .......... 5036
Barcelona • • • • • • • • • • ••

HANGE.-TIIESDA.Y.
Gira.ltar.. • • ........
Leghorn •••••• • • • • •• •
. 30 82%
Geaoa •• • •• .. 25 62%
Venice.. ........
Naples • • .... •• 40%
Palermo, peros 121%
Messina OO
Lisbon..... •••••• . . • . • 5314
Oporto .• .• •• •• •• 53%
Rio Janeiro
Buenos Ayres
New York,6odays'sight
Philadelphia

7710E8 07 BULLION, PE* 07.
Foreign Geld in bars .. 17 9
Portugal Gold Coin .. 0 0 0
Spanish Doubloons .. 0 0 6
New Dollars •• .. 0 4 10%
Silver In bars ........ 0 5 0%

SeVille.. •• •• • • I• • • •• •41 -

SEABORNE MAILS.
[N signifies that the mails are sent front the General Post-oftlee
by the night—and M by the morning--elispatch.]

'When made up in From what when
PLACES, General Post-office port die- due.
London; patched.
America (by Brit. pkt.) N March 15 .. Liverpool Arrived
America (by U.S. pkt.) N March 23 .. .. Liverpool .. March 17
America (by U.S. pkt.) M March 31 'Southampt.
Africa (West coast)" N 14th of the month I Plyntoath April
Alexandria* ••.. • ... N 19th & 30th of mo. Dover ..,March 18
Belgium • • • • N Daily .. Dover .. Daily
Brazil .. •• .. M,9th of the month Southampt. April 16
Buenos Ayres • • .. M,9th of the month ISouthampt. April 16
C alifornia(via Chagres) MI 2d & 17th of month Southampt. March 5
Cape of Good Hope N 14th of month !Plymouth— April 3
Constantinople* .. • • Nl7th 17th 27th of mo IDover .. March 20
Cantral America M,2d & 17th of men. ISouthampt. March 5
Channel Isles •• N Mon., Wed., &Frl,lSoutkampt. Ta. Th. Sat
Mai M 17th of the month Southampt. March 20
Pranoe M& N. Twice daily .. .. Dover • • Twicodally
Greece* •• .. N 7th 17th 27th ofmo Dover •• March 20
Hamburgh N Tuesday & Friday London .. Taes. Sat.
Holland •• M Wednes. & Satur. London .. Men. Thur
Honduras ~17th of the month,Southampt. March 20
Ireland .. M& N Twice daily .. olyhead.. Twicedally
India(via Southamp.) M 20th of the ruontts Southampt. March 21
India (via3,larseilles) N 8 th& 24th ef month over • • Arrived
Mediterranean (via
Southsurnthn) • • M 20th of the month Southampt. March 21
Mediterf anean (via
Marseilles) N Bth&24tit of month Dover •• Arrived
Mexico .. M2d of the month.. ,Southampt. March 5
Madeira •• •• M 9th of the month ,Southampt.,,Aprll 16
I 7th,17th,19th,27th!
Malta* .• • • } Dover March 18
& 30th of month
Naples* .. • • •• N sth 15th 25th ofmoDover March 22
Papal States* .. N sth 15th 25thef mo Dover , March 22
Peninsular.. M,7thl7th 27thef mo Southampt. Arrived
Peru .. .. • • .. M 17th of the month ;Southampt. March 20
Tuscany* .. • • N sth 15th 25th of mo Dover •. " March 22
West Indies 3117th of the month ISouthampt. March 211
West Indies (except
Havanna & Nassau) M 2d of the month ..,Southampt. March 5
_ _ .

• The mails to those
French packet via Marsel
Cilaroarna.--Mails to
are now despatched and d

ountties thus marked (o) are conveyed by
Liles.
and from California, via the United States
ice by every American packs

NEW HACKNEY CARRIAGE REGULATIONS.—The
following are; on and after the 25th instant, to be the
stations on which cabs, &c., are to stand to ply for fares,
as appointed by the City authorities, at their meeting on
the 2d instant, by which arrangement it will be seen that
several of the old-established cab ranks are completely done
away with, they being found inconvenient, or impediments
to the traffic of the City—for instance, the extensive one in
Gracechnrch-street is to be removed. As will be seen, at
some of the newly-appointed stands, art additional number
of cabs has been added, in order to make up for any defi-
ciencies that may occur in those districts where different
stations have been abolished, viz. :—Aldersgate-street, with
3 stands, allowing for 8,4, and 13 hackney carriages, &c. ;
Adelaide-place, 2, east and west, allowing for 3 ditto at
each end ; Bridge-street, Blackfriare, 4, allowing respec-
tively, 7,6, 8, and 8 ditto ; Bishopsgate-street Within, with
1, from St. Helen's-place to Camomile-street, allowing 8
ditto; Bishopsgate-street Without, 1, for 20 ditto, viz.-12
between San-street and Widegate-street, and 8 from New-
street to Dovonshire-street ; Bartholomew-lane, with 1, for
3 ditto ; Fenehurch-street, with 1, from Rood-lane to Min-
cing-lane, for 6 ditto : Farringdon-street, with 2, allowing
for the large number of 40 ditto, being 20 at each ; Finsbury-
pavement, with 2, from Short-street to Ropemaker-street,
and from West-street to the Riding Academy, for 15 and 6
ditto respectively ; Great Tower-hill, with 1, for 8 ditto ;
Holborn, with 3, for 12, 16, and 4 ditto; King William-
street, with 3, for 4,5, and 5 ditto; King.street, Cheapside,
with 2, for 3 and 5 ditto; Leadenhall street,. with 1,: for 4
ditto ; Lower Thames-street, 1, for 9 ditto ; Minories, 1 for 24
ditto ; Old Bailey, 1, for 8 ditto ; Redcross-street, 2, for 7
ditto at each ; South-place, 2, for and 1 ditto each ; St.
Paul's-churchyard, with 3, viz.—east side for 10 ditto ; north
side, 4 ditto ; and south side, 14 ditto ; West Smithfield with
1, to accommodate 6 ditto.

Win. Tandy to
_ CoNFESMON OF THE MURDERER KALABERGO.--
?nwlSlonday this wretched man made the following confession,
committed."
IT riting, to-the Roman Catholic priest, Dr. Tandy, in the
murder was Wouf the Rev. Dr. Harington, Principal of Brasenose
bergl.:,er?e of the county magistrates :—" I, William Kala-
upon my'rleletat I am guilty of this crime of murder done
There were at John Kalabergo. I leave permission to Dr.
disclose all the circumstances by which such
PAPER isimy..
IN THE UNITED KINGDOM ---
Junework '
MILLS IN
in the 'United Kingdom, on the 13th of
last, 880 pa
38 in Ireland, anielBlll3- Of these, 304 were in England,
Bsoßm°e°"of •The AEas
English mills
The number of beating
engines at work in mills was 1267, and silent 107 ;
in Scotland, 278 worg 8
work, and 15 silent.
't
India
ddirectors, have de-
g, end 8 silent ;'
and in Ireland, 71 at
d shipping interest,
highest members of the mernTtntilaerge number of the
termined to invite the Raja to a public dinner
mark the sense they entertain of the eminent. inner, "in order to
ren-
dered by Sir James Brooke to the interests of
services amoSi:: WjhAomi"asre
humanity, in his endeavour tto)Rut,,dnva4ba eevergr,cg and
in the Eastern Arcbipelago, and in his 4%116k:a pf,pracy.
interests of civilization in, that part of the worilzgace the
dinner will take place after Leut.—Prorfolh Olenin The
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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS, March 16.

The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the Woo'
sack at Five o'Clock.

CORN-LAWS.
Earl GRANVILLE presented a potitiou from Liver-
pool, praying that the House would take measures to
remove the state of uncertainty which existed in the
country as toithe intentions of the Government with re-
spect to the re-imposition of a duty on foreign corn.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE gave notice that he
should present a similar petition on Thursday next from
Manchester.

RIFLE CORPS.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH gave notice that he
should, on an early day, ask her Majesty's Government
whether they intended to adhere to the resolution taken
by the late Government not to afford any aid to volun-
tary rifle corps.
COUNTY COURTS EXTENSION BILL.
in moving the third reading of
regret that the clause repealing
this
Bill,rd
eRx Op
rUe
sGs
eHd A
bis
the prohibition of the former Act, which prevented bar-
risters practising in county courts without the interven-
tion of an attorney, had been omitted. He thought the
ill effects of that prohibition would be even more dis-
tinctly felt than ever they had been yet.
Lord BEAUMONT gave full credit to the Noble and
Learned Lord for the pains which ho had taken on this
subject, but he thought the Noble Lord would have
done better to have brought in a Bill to consolidate all
the former Acts on County Courts, rather than introduce
this Bill, which it was a misnomer to call an extension.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
EDUCATION IN IRELAND.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE rose to ask her
Majesty's Ministers whether it was their intention to
propose any . alteration in the present applica-
tion of public money to educational purposes in
Ireland. Ho expressed his conviction that any
amelioration in the condition of Ireland must be
based, in the first instance, on the diffusion of
education in that country. The present system worked
well, he believed ; it had been prepared with great care
and deliberation, after long consultation with the
country,hier-
archy and since its first establishment its
had continued on the increase, and
62,000 children receiving instruc-
tion under Noble Marquis then briefly traced
s there
he
r e
were
o of
f theoperation
at
it.
present
Thei
the progress of the National School system, from 1832
down to the last report which had been presented on
the subject,
with a view to show the progress which it
had made. In 1834 there were 789 schools, giving edu-
cation to 107,000 children; in 1843 the schools had in-
creased to 2,912, and the children to 353,000; in 1846
the number of schools was 3,600, and scholars 455,450;
and according to the last report, in 1850, notwithstand-
ing the great extent of emigration in 1849, the number
of schools was 4,547, and the pupils receiving instruc-
tion 511,639. Additional accommodation had since
been obtained, and the schools now numbered 4,600,
t ofeonthe
and country,
y itvv fur he took upon himself to say that
partas of the civilised world. The books of a
system of education eminently having 526,000 scholars. Now, ho maintained that
these schools ought to be preserved by the Government
i
there did not exist a better system of Christian educa-
tion in
the National Society
were sought after not only by
schools in this country but in various parts of the conti-
nent;
prac-
tical. There were seventeen model schools in diffe-
rent parts of Ireland, besides those which he had
mentioned, and the whole system was calculated to be
of the utmost benefit to the country. This being
the case, he was sorry to have had his attention lately
called to a speech
delivered by her Majesty's Attorney-
General in Ireland. He did not wish to find fault with
any particular words of that speech, but with its general
purport, which appeared to be to find fault with the pre-
sent system of national education, and to state that he
should endeavour to induce the Government to lend their
support to a different system. He stated that Lord
Derby had said that he would have an honest inquiry to
see what could be done. Such a speech coming from so
high an authority would certainly have the effect of
leading persons to suppose that the present Government
were inclined to extend their plans of education to other
systems than that of the national board, in contradiction
to the policy of their predecessors. When they consi-
dered all the difficulties with which the national school
system had had to contend—all the antagonism which it
had to encounter—it was impossible not to award praise
to those noble, learned, and reverend persons by whose
untiring zeal and assiduity—by whom its success had
been mainly secured.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped the
present Government would support the system; but if it
was said that the matter was under the consideration of
the Government, and a doubt was thrown upon it, it
it
self,
but be most injurious, not only to the system
but to the Government; and he ;thought he was doing
no bad service to her Majesty's Government by asking
the Noble Earl if it was his intention to make any
change whatever its the appropriation of the public,
funds?

The Earl of DERBY said be was sure that their Lor-
dships and the Noble Marquis himself must suppose, that
if any person were personally interested in the well
working of the system of education in Ireland, it must
be the individual who had then the honour of addressing
their Lordships; because, without taking to himself any
further credit, he was the person during whose adminis-
tration as Chief Secretary of the Affairs of Ireland, the
various reports of former commissions and plans pre-
pared by learned and painstaking individuals, were ex-
amined; and the Government of which he was a Mem-
ber, came to the conclusion that it was necessary to
introduce a new system of combined education. It was
his good fortune to be the organ of that Government in
framing the original regulations and introducing that
system. He had watched with the deepest interest, he
needly hardly say, the progress and increase which the
Noble Marquis had so ably sketched of the number
of schools and scholars under the system then intro-
duced. He believed no step which could be taken
could have any effect in weakening the influence
which that system had produced on the minds of the
people of Ireland. He believed it had deeply
rooted itself in the institutions and affections of the
people, and that the progress of that system was as
certain as he believed its results, on the whole, had
been beneficial. Great as had been the increase of the
number of schools and pupils, he believed it had not
been more than commensurate with the improvement, in
point of quality, of the education now given in Ireland
under the auspices of the National Board, as compared
with the quality of the education given some twenty
years ago. And be also believed, that if at that mo-
ment all Government assistance should be withdrawn
schoolserivead. The people of Ire-
what really good education
great and permanent
ladvantage
k andnwould
nI
and appreciated
at
vh
ee r
beend
was, as compared with that prevalent some 20 or 25
years ago; and they would not be satisfied with educa-
tion of an inferior quality to that which they now re-
ceived. Nor did he believe it to be in the power of any
class of persons, however great the influence they might
exercise over a portion of the population, to support
in opposition to those of
......(Hear, hear.) He gladly joined in
the tribute of respect which the Noble Marquis had paid
thesch oporlesse of
ht an
system.—(Hear,
inferiortem. character,
to those Reverend and Learned persons to whose assi-
duityhin was more to be attri-
buted,ich had been given by
the G Government.
thevthe ra progress rmtooegnr
anyetss
uot the
htt assistance
dsyss
spokes
of
this
as a
system
of education, but at the same time it was impossible
that the Noble Marquis must not acknowledge,
as he must himself, that in the course of
twenty years various modifications in the de-
tails had been introduced, various alterations in
the minor details of the board, and even some connected
with matters of primary importance. For example, he
understood, for he had not of late, attended minutely to
tho details of the education in progress; but he believed
that that which in the first instance was rendered com-
pulsory, namely, the use of Scripture lessons in all the
schools, had, from various causes, been left to the will
and pleasure of the managers ; and, consequently, in
many schools where Scripture lessons were not used,
there was less of Scripture education given in those
c schools than was originally contemplated in the system.
He did not mean to say that, although that was th© case,
there was not given to the great bulk of the Roman Ca-
tholic population a far more enlightened education than
they would have received if that system had not been es-
tablished. But various modifications, of which that was
one, had taken place from time to time. They were
aware that some time ago various objections, based on
religious grounds, were taken on the part of the Presby-
terian bodies, who held aloof with as much perseverance
as many—he might say almost the whole—of the united
church of England and Ireland. The absence
of that co-operation he felt it to be a great mis-
fortune. He felt it to be a great misfortune that the
system was not taken iv by them, because they would
by this time have obtained great influence over the edu-
cation of the people, and thereby over the minds not
only of the Protestant, but the Roman Catholic popula-
tion—an influence which he did not mean to say would
he regretted that the Protestant clergy of England had
y
stoodhave beenaloo
fimtoprsoupeeh an rl, but beneficially used. But while
extent, he was not ashamed to
say he considered it a matter of the greatest importance
to ascertain whether, without departing from the original
system, it might not be possible to introduce into that
system such modifications as might mitigate the objec-
tions, and induce the clergy to co-operate far more
largely than they had hitherto done in the system.—
He had not had time to read much; and
Right
I if he heard what was then
htreland,
Hon. and Learned Friend the At-
torney-General hopedae
rtaking place, would not think that he was treating him
with disrespect, if
he frankly avowed that he had not
h(hear.)
eea
hrh:ir s a l
for
read the speech to which the Noble Marquis had alluded.
But this he knew, that he had had communications with
him ou the subject, and he knew his straightforward
and candid character too well, not to believe
that he had made no statement in which he
was not entirely borne out and warranted by the lan-
guage which he (the Earl of Derby) had used. He
thought an investigation would tend to remove misun-
derstandings on both sides, and he intimated at that
time that he was strongly disposed to submit the ques-
tion for their Lordships' consideration, and to move that
a Committee of that House be appointed. There was
one point which he thought it desirable to consider, how
far this system was practicable with a combined educa-
tion, which would bring up the youth of Ireland in con-
stant and familiar intercourse with those of a different
religious persuasion to themselves, and teach them rather
bow many points there were in which they agreed than
on which differed; how far such a system was an exclu-
sive_ system, not practically, but in its results; how far
the schools under Presbyterian management were prac-
tically confined to Presbyterians; how far in the south
and west of Ireland, where the great bulk of the people
were Roman Catholics, and the schools were under the
management of Roman Catholicand had Ro-
man patrons,
Catholic schoolmasters—and as the great majority
of the people were Roman Catholic he did not complain
of that—ho thought it right that they should know by
the investigation how far this system was practically

EVENING, MARCH 17, 1852.

a system of combined education. He thought for
that purpose it was desirable that a Committee should be
appointed; he thought that the labours, and investiga-
tions, ind suggestions of that Committee might remove
a portion of the objections that now existed. If the re-
sult of the inquiry was to find that, practically speaking,
in the great majority of schools in which it was intended
a combined system should prevail, there was in reality
an exclusive system; that there were Presbyterian
schools here, and Roman Catholic schools there, from
which a portion of the community were practically ex-
cluded by the rules of the board, he hoped it would not
be considered as anything that would in the slightest
degree trench on the existing system, if they entered
into a calm inquiry how far assistance might to a certain
degree be afforded, even to schools which did not come
within the letter of the law, whether by the supply of
school requisites, or by the supply of the literary works
of the board, which fully deserved the praise the Noble
Marquis gave to them, and which he believed had been
adopted, not only throughout this kingdom, but in a
great part of Europe also, and had. been recognised both
by Protestant and Roman Catholic. He said that there
were other schools which were excluded from the ad-
vantages of coming under the direct superintendence and
control of the board, and yet if these schools might be
admitted to the advantages which they might derive from
the assistance of the board, without sacrificing their own
principles, he did not see that they (the Government)
were in the slightest degree violating the principles on
which the board was founded, if; adopting the example
which was set in this country in the first instance, they
c.Aisented to give some assistance to those schools, be
they Protestant or Catholic. He did not shrink from
the consequence adverted to by the Noble Marquis. If
they gave such assistance to Protestant schools they
could not withhold similar assistance from Roman Ca-

tholic schools. In 1831 and 1832, when this system was
first originated, there was a difference of feeling from
that which prevailed now which would have rendered
any assistance to a school exclusively Roman Catholic
on the part of her Majesty's Government a matter of
absolute impossibility. He had reason to believe that
the feeling which then existed did not exist in the pre-
sent day. He believed that the objections which were
then entertained, as to educating Roman Catholics as
Roman Catholics, had not the same weight in the minds
of the people now that they had in 1831. He believed,
that affording such assistance to a school composed of
Roman Catholics, would not meet now the opposition
and objections which it would have met with in 1831 and
1832; but, he admitted, that if they gave such
assistance to schools exclusively Protestant, they
could not refuse it to schools exclusively
Catholic. Whether it was possible to combine
the independence of these schools, in their internal ar-
rangement, with the superintendence of the board, when
they received aid from the national funds, was a matter
on which, at the moment, he could not give a positive
opinion. He thought it was a subject that if they sub-
mitted it to a Committee—if they ascertained that, prac-
tically combined, education had been the rule, and ex-
clusive education had been the exception—he thought
it then deserved their attention whether they should ex-
tend the principle still further, and without, in the
slightest degree diminishing the influence exercised by
the Board of Education, whether they might not on the
one side or the other extend the benefits of a good educa-
tion, assisted by Government, supplied with the best
books, and controlled by Government. His Right Hon.
Friend the Secretary for Ireland was perfectly right in
stating that he did desire him to overcome the opposi-
tion of the Protestant clergymen to this system; he did
desire that an investigation should take place into the
practical working of that system, into the modification
which from time to time it had been thought neces-
sary or expedient to make in the regulations of
the board in the course of the last twenty years, with
the yet further modification which, without departing
from the principle, might be adopted; and he was fur-
ther justified in saying that he desired the co-operation
of the clergy—that he desired, above all, to have the
means in Ireland, as far as possible, to extend to Ro-
man Catholics and to Protestants, under the superin-
tendence of the board and of the Government, the ad-
vantages of a good moral, literary, and religious edu-
cation. Further than that, he then expressed his opi-
nion that the appointment of a Committee, fairly
chosen, and entering into such an investigation, might
tend to remove difficulties from, and give facilities to,
the extension of education. Neither he nor her Ma-
jesty's Government were in the slightest degree pledged.
But he was of opinion that an investigation by a Com-
mittee was desirable, for the purpose of seeing how far
modifications might be introduced into the existing
system which might have the tendency, not of diminish-
ing the influence of the board, but of carrying out more
extensively those great objects which to a great extent
had been accomplished, and which it was his earnest
desire to see thoroughly and completely carried out.
The Marquis of LANSDOWNE said he was glad
that the Noble Earl had thought fit to give so full and,
in many respects, so satisfactory an answer to the ques-
tion put to him by the Noble Marquis. To the honour
and credit of the Government to which he had himself
the honour to belong, they gave to the system of educa-
tion in Ireland the most anxious attention and their un-
bending support. The Noble Earl, from the knowledge
he had of the subject, would be aware of the many diffi-
culties they had to encounter in carrying it out—difficul-
ties which he did not hesitate to say would have proved
fatal if it had not been for the happy and fortuitous cir-
cumstance that there were at the head of that system
prelates of two churches equally distinguished for their
enlightened character and their liberality to all classes;
and by the anxiety, as the Noble Earl well knows, the
labour, and the assiduity of those two prelates, the
system had been kept alive, and the great mass of the
people of Ireland had been made acquainted with the
blessings of an enlightened, instead of —if he
might use the expression—an ignorant education,
which they had before. That education had been
attended, he would not say with all the success that
had been hoped for, but with a much greater degree
of success than they could fairly have anticipated.
And if he drew an inference from that, it was that
the system, ho would not say could not be touched at all,
but if it were touched, it should be touched with the
greatest care. The Committee could be so composed as
to produce good results; but he was against going into
that Committee, with any view that the substantial
foundation of that system should be departed from.
Now, the substantial foundation of that system was a
common education for all. And, when the Noble Earl
threw out as a suggestion the possibility of having
separate grants for Protestants and Roman Catholics
and Presbyterians, he trusted he would consider whether
by such grants, he would not cause the common system,
of education to be the exception, and exclusive educa-
tion the rule; and that all the grants of money, and all
the exertions of disinterested men to carry the present
system out, had been wasted. Another reason for their
being cautious was this—he had mentioned that the
success of the system was owing to the exertions of two
prelates. Unfortunately they had at this moment to de-
plore the loss of one of those distinguished prelates,
who had done honour to the church with which, he had
been connected. Much would depend on the choice of
the person who would be his successor, and upon the
state of things which ho would find. That, he said, was
an additional reason for not disturbing the system
which, he held, was at the present moment successful.
The Earl of DESART said the object was to give a
general education. He denied that the present system
afforded is general education. He thought it desirable
to have an investigation, with a view not to separate, but
to unite all classes.
The Earl of RODEN said, when this system was
first proposed to the House he felt it his duty to oppose
it. He thought that no measure should be introduced
by her Majesty's Government under a Protestant Con-
stitution that had not for its foundation the teaching of
the Scriptures and tho spread of the Bible among the
children who were to be admitted to the schools. He
had learned since that Roman Catholic children to a
large amount were attending, and were very glad to
attend, schools under scriptural education. He could
not agree with the Noble Marquis that this system of
education in Ireland was successful. He admitted that
the books were good, that some of the schools were
good, but the great majority of the schools did not
give an united education, and were exclusively
Roman Catholic. He was certain that the op-
position of the Protestant clergy was from con-
scientious motives. The Noble Earl had stated that an
inquiry might be of use, and that, if it should appear that
grants might be properly made to Church education
schools, it should be so. He was glad to hear it. He
believed that no fewer than 10,000 persona had, through
the reading of the Scriptures, been brought out from
the Church of Rome, and this had taken place in the
diocese of Dr. M'Hale, an eminent man, a man of great
talents, and who, he believed, sincerely maintained his
opinions because he had, in accordance with these
opinions, opposed the establishment of these national
schools. Throughout his diocese there was not a na-
tional school to be found, and consequently the children
went to the schools were the Scriptures were taught.
Lord MONTEAGLE said he thought the Noble
Earl who had just sat down would enter into the
proposed inquiry on principles entirely opposed to the
system. This, no doubt, was a fitting question _to
be the subject of a Parliamentary inquiry ;but
the investigation, in such a case, could only be
y_
with a view to partial amendment, not to complete
alteration; because a system such as the national
syof education in Ireland was not to be lightlydealtof with.the
But considerable dangers would theariseeinsasthose of the
event
Legislature sanctioning such suggestions
Noble Earl (Earl of Roden). On the
very first vote of
money for the encouragement of a separate system of
education for the peasantry—(Hear, hear.) No
ofrunlrge.land the knell of the
withdrawn
nd
firanniwhtighe
national system would
doubt there were numerous cases
been
the Protestant children winithl
national schools; but in all
rt
oh
toesset
ac
na cases e s it
ministerw ou would
hadben.
wfoundit
that it was because ..m
the school in order
the r
drawn his presence I to es-
tablish a separate school for the children of his own
creed. There was a most serious principle involved
in this
demand of separate grants. If the Legis-
lature conceded the demand of the Noble Earl
(Earl of Roden), that the Protestant children be edu-
cated in exclusively Protestant schools, then, logically,
they! would be bound to admit that the whole of the
education of the Roman Catholic children of Ireland
ought to be placed in the hands of the Roman Catholic
priests of Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) This would be the
logical consequence of the first concession; and, without
wishing to depart from his invariable rule of speaking
with the utmost respect of the Roman Catholic clergy-
men in Ireland, he did not hesitate to say that such a
consequence would not tend to the advancement of the
objects which a wise Legislature should have in view.—
(Hear, hear.) In conclusion, the Noble Lord moved for
the production of the letter of Mr. Stanley to the Duke
of Leinster (as we understood), explaining the views of
Earl Grey's Government with regard to the establish-
ment of the national system of education in Ireland.
The Earl of DONOUGHMORE thought that the sys-
tem of common education, if it meant merely the educe-

tion of the children of different creeds in one school, had
not succeeded to any great extent in Ireland in effecting
the principal object for which it had been established;
for he believed that religious rancour was fully as rife at
this moment in Ireland as it had been in 1832. A Noble
and illustrious Duke (Wellington) had once used the
expression in their Lordships' House that there were
6,000,000 of Roman Catholics in Ireland, and that
whether their Lordships liked it or not, there these mil-
lions were. He (Lord Donoughmore) might suggest an
analogous argument on this occasion. There were 1,600
educated gentlemen, Protestant clergymen, in Ireland.
These rev, gentlemen were conscientiously opposed to
the system of national education; and whether their
Lordships liked it or not, these individuals would con-
tinue to be opposed to that system. This was the fact;
and it was absurd to maintain that that system could be
a thoroughly national system which had not obtained
the sanction of persons of such influence and
position. He could not perceive the peculiar difficul-
ties which were alleged to be in the way of a
satisfactory settlement of this controversy. It seemed
to him that the solution of the problem was to be found
in such a new system as would make the patrons of the
several schools the judges of the character of the reli-
gious education which should be given, with the proviso
that the minimum of religious instruction should be the
reading at the stated intervals of the scriptural extracts
decided upon as part of the arrangements of 1832 in re-
ference to the national schools. Certainly such a solu-
tion would be accepted with satisfaction by the large
majority of Irish Protestant clergymen. He was glad
that there would be a Parliamentary Committee on the
whole question, and he was not without hopes that the
advocates of a change would produce such evidence be-
fore the Committee as would be calculated to remove all
further doubts upon the desirability of resorting to a
new and better system.
The Marquis of CLANRICARDE replied, in a few
brief observations; and after some conversation between
the Noble Marquis, Lord DE Ros, and the Earl of
DONOUGIIMORE, the subject dropped.
The House adjourned at Half-past Seven until to-
morrow (Thursday) afternoon.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 16.
The SPEAKER took the Chair a few minutes to Four
o'clock.

NEW MEMBER.
Lord CLA.IIDE HAMILTON Look the oaths and his sea
for Tyrone.

SECOND READINGS.
The Humber Conservancy Bill, and the Kingston
upon-Hull Docks Bill were read a second time, and or•
dered to be committed.
PETITIONS.
Mr. REYNOLDS presented petitions from West•
meath, and other places in Ireland, against the Ecclesias•
tical Titles Bill.

Mr. H. BERKELEY presented a petition from Bristol
against the Militia Bill.

-Sir J. Y. BULLEI presented a petition from Devon
to the same effect.

Mr. W. J. FOX presented a petition from Leeds in
favour of secular education; also n similar petition from
Dr. Watts, of Manchester.

Mr. LOCKE KING presented a petition from Croy-
don in favour of an extension of the franchise.
Mr. STUART presented a petition from the Western
part of Inverness, praying that an additional Member
might be given to that county.
Sir R. H. INGLIS presented a petition from the Lite-
rary Fund Society against the Charitable Trusts Bill.
Mr. BROWN presented a petition from Liverpool
against the post-horse duty.
Mr. SCLIOLEFIELD presented a petition from Bir-
mingham in favour of vote by ballot.
Mr. SCULLY presented a petition from a place in
Tipperary in favour of tenant right.
Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from landowners
in a parish in the county of Cork, complaining that the
clergyman claimed in tithes one-fifth of the whole value
of their land, and praying that the tithes might be re-
gulated by the price of corn.

Mr. VILLIERS presented a petition from a public
meeting at Liverpool, praying that the free trade
policy of tho country might not be reversed.
Mr. M. GIBSON presented a petition from a public
meeting at Manchester against the formation of the
militia.

Mr. HUME presented a petition from Maidstone
against tithes and church rates; also a petition against
the Sale of Beer 13111.
Several petitions were presented in favour of the
Pharmacy Bill.
Mr. SOTHERON presented a petition from a poor
man, praying for the enrolment of friendly societies.
STEAM NAVY.
Mr. WILCOX gave notice that on the 30th instant
he should move a resolution, founded on the report of a
Select Committee, to the effect that measures ought to
be taken to render the mercantile marine steam service
available for national purposes in case of war.
WINE DUTIES.
Mr. ANSTEY gave notice that this day fortnight he
should call the attention of the House to the decline
which had recently taken place in the revenue derived
from the import duty on wine.
VOTE BY BALLOT.

Mr. H. BERKELEY gave notice that, on the 30th
inst., he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to make
vote by ballot the law of the land.
PARLIAMENTARY REFORM.
Mr. LOCKE KING gave notice that this day fort-
night he should move for leave to bring in a Bill to assi-
milate the procedure and proceedings at electivria for
counties in England to those in boroughs, namely, to
make the right of voting a 101. rental, and to limit the
polling to one day.
SHOOTING A SAILOR.
_ _

Mr. W. WILLIAMS called attention to a circum-
stance which had recently occurred at San Francisco. A
sailor while attempting to desert from a British ship of
war, by swimming ashore, was shot dead by one of the
marines; and he wished to know from Admiral Berkeley
if there was any truth in the report?
Admiral BERKELEY said the question ought to
have been put to the present Secretary for the Admi-
ralty. No report had reached the Admiralty of the na-
ture referred to by the Hon. Member at the time he left
it.—(Hear.)

lONIAN ISLANDS.
On the motion of Mr. HUME, a return of dispatches
between Sir H. G. Ward and Earl Grey were agreed to.
VENTILATION OF THE HOUSE.
Lord R. GROSVENOR inquired whether the Noble
Lord at the head of the Woods and Forests was able to
hold out any hopes of relief to the sufferings of Members
from the present state of the ventilation of the Lower
House? He considered that if some steps were not
taken in the matter some fatal result would be the con-
sequence.—(Hear.) When Members entered and took
their seats in the House they felt a sort of
burning sensation all round the head, and a swelling of
i
the temples, which n some instances induced a species
of nervous fever, and in others a kind of apoplectic fit.—
(Laughter and hear.) In ordor to escape this in-
fliction hot night, he went up to the gallery, and
sat by the side of the Honourable Member for
Devon ; here they obtained a little fresh air, but
in four or five minutes the breeze changed into
a gale of wind—(A laugh)—and compelled them
to quit the place. They next went to the op-
posite gallery, but they found that doing so was
only jumping out of the frying-pan into the fire—(A
laugh)—for the stench was so bad that they were com-
pelled to retire.—(Hear, hear.) Gentlemen were all,
no doubt, anxious to do their duty to their constituents,
but unless some remedy were devised there would cer-
tainly be loss of life.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. W. PATTEN also complained of the imperfect
state of ventilation in the committee-rooms.

Lord J. MANNERS admitted that every Member
must agree in the necessity of adopting Borne speedy
remedy, and said that every inquiry on the
subject either had or was now being
made. Ile understood that the report of Dr.
Reid had been completed this afternoon, but it
had not yet come into his possession. In consequence
of the notice of the lion. Member for Westminster, he
had sent for Mr. Goldsworthy Gurney, and given
him every facility for inquiring into the cause
of the nuisance. It was, however, impossible for him
(Lord J. Manners) to undertake that the evil should be
altogether removed, though ho hoped the inquiries that
were being made would enable them to devise a remedy.

METROPOLITAN WATER SUPPLY.
Mr. THOMAS DUNCOMBE wished to ask the Se-
cretary of State for the Home Department whether it
was the intention of her Majesty's Ministers to take any
steps during the present session of Parliament to secure
a better supply of water to the metropolis, or to provide
for the more distant interment o the dead?
Mr. WALPOLE said this subject was unques-
tionably one of the greatest importance. Witehhtre-
gard to the first question, the Honourable Gentle_
man was probably aware that the late Government
introduced a Bill which was read a first time. He
be-
lieved their intention was to send that Bill to a select
Committee, to sea whether the provisions of the Bill
would answer the purpose for which it
provisions would
ht
in
and also to see whether any furthert
be required for accomplishing
Bill contemplated.—(Hear, he purpose which the
e aor.)shoNulodwb, e untilappo i he
tee
dsatwo the report of the Committee wh
consider the Bill, if the Bill was persevered in, it would
be premature for him to give any opinion upon the sub-
ject- With regard to the other question, the Hon. Gen-
tleman no doubt was aware that the Act of 1850 had
,
entirely failed. The
subject
consideration of however, was under the
the Government at this moment, but
whether they should be able to legislate upon it must of
of course depend upon the state of the business of the
House, and the continuance of the present session of
Parliament.—(Hear.)
Lord SEYMOUR was understood to say that, now
that he was out of office, he had no hope of being able
to pass the Water Bill.
CRYSTAL PALACE.
Mr. THOMAS DUNCOMBE wished to ask the
Chief Commissioner of Public Works whether it was in-
tended to remove or to retain the building of the
great
National Exhibition?
Lord JOHN MANNERS said, under the existing
arrangements the contractors were bound to remove the
building by the Ist of May next. The Row.
aware that last year an address Was presented- was
to
her Majesty, praying that an inquiry might
take place into the expediency of retaining theebuilding
in its present position or removing it to some other site.
—(Hear, hear.) Commissioners were subsequently ap-
pointed, and they sat some time receiving a considerable
amount of evidence on the subject of their in-
quiry. They had since presented a report, and
both the report and the evidence were now being
printed for the use of the House.—(Hear, hear.) That
report recommended that the existing arrangements
should not be interfered with,
which had induced
reasons
the Co to come
to that conclusion
Is
actorappearing tot the Government 1
to be amply eat•
P • was not the 1

intention of Government to propose that the existing
arrangements should be interfered with.—(Hear, hear.)
They thought that that great enterprise which origi-
nated with the high conception of a Prince, and which
resulted in affording means of enjoyment, infor-
mation, and instruction to four millions of
of people, did not require a memorial of this natnre,—
(Hear, hear.) They thought that the reasons assigned
by the Commissioners for not acceding to any of
the propositions of that nature were conclusive
and satisfactory, and therefore the Government
had decided not to interfere with the arrangement that
would necessitate the removal of the building
on the Ist
of May.—(Hear, hear.)
SCOTCH PUBLIC-HOUSES BILL.
In reply to Mr. OSWALD,
Mr. F. MACKENZIE said it was his intention to
withdraw this Bill, but not to abandon the subject,whieh
he hoped shortly to take up again.—(Hear.)
VIENNA.
Mr. ANSTEY wished to ask her Majesty's Ministers
whether any reparation had been made by the Cabinet
of Vienna for the outrages committed on the persons
and properties of the ministers of the Scottish Church
at Pesth, whether any reply has been received to Lord
Granville's representation on the subjee.; and, if so•
whether there was any objection tolay it before the House ?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQ,UER said
Lord Westmoreland mentioned in his last dispatch that
he had had an interview with the Austrian Minister on
the subject, but the matter was still under consideration,
and it was therefore impossible to lay the correspon-
dence on the table.—(Hear, hear.)
MAYNOOTH.
Mr. ANSTEY said he had given notice of his in-
tention to move for certain returns connected wish state
endowments. Now, until that return was before the
House it would be impossible to understand the htOY
nooth debate; and he should therefore be glad to knew
if there was any objection to lay the return before the
House at once ?—(Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
there was no public or party objection to the return, but
it could not be collected for a considerable time, and
only at considerable expense.
MINISTERS' MONEY.
Mr. REYNOLDS wished to know if it was the in-
tention of the Government to abolish ministers' money
in Ireland.
Mr. WALPOLE said Government were anxious to
discover some substitute for the impost which was of a
very obnoxious character, but they required time to de-
termine what the substitute should be.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. REYNOLDS said he was quite ready to great
time, and he should not, therefore, persevere with his
motion on the subject, which stood on the paper for to-
night, but postpone it, to afford an opportunity to the
Government to consider the subjecss—(A laugh.)
GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS FOR COALS.
Mr. G. THOMPSON moved for the appointment
of a Select Committee to inquire into certain alleged
frauds in the supply of coals by contract to her 14a-
jesty's dockyards and to the public offices. The
grievance ho complained of was that the vessels de-
livering coals to the Government obtained certificates for
an amount of coals which it was impossible they could hold-
The consequence was that for a series of years the duty
paid in the Thames on those cargoes of coals, was con'
siderably less than ought to have been paid, if the qusti-
tity alleged to be delivered at the Government dock-
yards and depots was correct. This fact
led to a suspicion, if not to an actual belief, that a
fraud had been committed upon the Government, sod
ho should be able to show that the contractors had
defrauded the country out of a considerable sum of
money. The coals which were supplied also to Somerset
House were delivered under circumstances which gale
the transaction the complexion of a fraud. The coal°
were loaded in barges in the pool, and proper certi-
ficates of the quantity were received, but these certifi-
cates were destroyed and replaced by others, a portion
of the coals were removed on their way up the river, and
when the barges arrived at Somerset House there was a
groat deficiency in the cargo. This was a subject of very
greatimportance to tho country, because a vast sum of
money was expended by the Government under con-
tracts for coal. He, therefore, hoped the Government
would grant him an inquiry. He had no
other motive in bringing the question be-
fore the House beyond a desire to promote
the public interest, and he should rejoice if the
result of the inquiry was to sweep away all the charges
of fraud to which he had referred.
Mr. HUME supported the motion, considering that
the subject was fit and proper for inquiry.
Mr. STAFFORD said the proposed inquiry was not
limited to any particular contracts, but extended to all
itmhaptohasaidble for a
been made
Cfoormtrittseuepptloy
oefnct enter uponan
sash it was
a
as
wide investigation.—(Hear.) The delivery of coals
to the navy was, on the whole, on a satisfactory footing.
If specific charges were brought forward, the department
to which he belonged would be ready to answer them,
but he protested against the course which the Hon. Mem-
ber had taken on the subject. The Government had
taken effective precautions which would put and end for
the future to all frauds.

The gallery was then cleared for a division, but none
took place, the motion having been withdrawn.
PERFORATED POSTAGE STAMPS.
Mr. MUNTZmoved for a Select Committee to in-
quire and report upon the agreement entered into be-
tween the Commissioners of Inland Revenue and the
patentee relative to the construction of the machine for
perforating the sheets of postage labels, and whether it
would be desirable to carry out the principle for general
use. He said the patentee (Mr. Archer) had invented a
machine for perforating sheets of postage starolo, by
which great benefit would be produced to the public. Se
had sunwitted his improvement to the Government and
had asked for no remuneration beyond what he migh,l„bn:
entitled to in proportion to the advantage derived
his invention. The Commissioners of Stamps encl.:.,th
Commissioners of Inland Revenue were satisfied ": a
the invention, but when the question of remuneret'°,
was alluded to, they offered only 2,000/., although the
machine itself cost 1,000/., and the patent 1,100/..
With-
out taking into account the years which Mr. Archer ,finad.
devoted to the invention. He thought, s'Bo, that 11':
Archer had not, in other respects, been fairly treated.
He had offered to stamp the whole of the sheets of 1309 t.
age labels for a certain sum a year. One of the Com-
missioners had taken advantage of this, and after having.
informed the person who at present held the contract 0'
Mr. Archer's offer, continued the contract to that person
at a reduced rate. He hoped the Government would
not oppose the motion.
Mr. GROGAN said he had given notice of the /bl-
owing amendment to the motion :—For a Select Commit-
tee to inquire and report upon the present mode of en-
graving, printing, and gumming the postage label stamps
and likewise whether and how the perforating machine,
invented by the patentee, could be applied to the same
with advantage to the public. He agreed with what the
Hon. Member for Birmingham had said on the subject,
but as his amendment was an extension and not a con-
tradiction of the motion for inquiry, he hoped it would
be adopted.

The question having been put,
Mr. HAMILTON said the objection to the motion of
the Hon. Member for Birmingham was, that it assumed
an agreement to exist between the Commissioners of
Inland Revenue and the patentee, when no such agree-
ment existed. It was quite true that in 1847 the
patentee presented to the Yost-office and to the Commis-
sioners of Inland Revenue a plan for perforating stamps,
which according to his view would be attended with
advantage and saving to the public; but he stated that
he would leave the question of compensation to
ou thld e de_
cision of the Commissioners of Stamps. He c not
consent to the inquiry as proposed by the Hon. Member
for Birmingham; but with regard to the amendment of
the Hon. Member for Dublin, he thought the House
ought to adopt it, and to institute the inquiry proposed
the
no hefavmoautrte ofr ifnnvoestigate amend-
ment. in it.
After a few words from Mr. MOWATT and Mr. G EACH,
Mr. MUNTZ said as his only object in bringing for-
wardwas withdraw to have
it
hew
a the
He admitted there was L una fide agreement,
but the Commissioners of Stamps had f
133 acknowledged the
principle that the patentee should b
s willing motion
t o
cording to the d • be remunerated ac-
his invention. advantagederived by the public from
The original motion h
amendment was put
PROPOSED andRAI tireen
to.
LWAY FROM OBAN TO
Mr. J. STUART GLASGOW.
expediency of rose to move a resolution as to the
and the Governmentassistance to facilitate the intercourse and
between the Western Highlands and Isles and the
southern parts of the kingdom, by the construction of
a rail
way from the town and harbour of Oban, in Ar-
gyleshire, to Glasgow. The Hon. and Learned Gentle-
man, after having presented a petition from about 300
proprietors, clergymen, and other inhabitants of Inver-
nes;:-shire, in favour of his resolution, proceeded to say
that a grant of public money had formerly been pro-
posed by the late Chancellor of the Exche-
quer for the relief of the inhabitants of the
Western Highlands and Islands, by facilitating emi-
gration among them. The measure which be bad
then to submit to the House was one of a different cha-

racier, but was framed fora similar purpose. It was
well known that the benevolent project of the late Go-
vernment had failed from peculiar circumstances. His
(Mr. Stuart'a) object was to direct the attention of the
House to certain facts which would show, as he believed,
that a grant of public money might be made for the
construction of a railway between the port of Oban,
in
Argyleshire, and Glasgow, without any ultimate lobs to
the national revenue and with great benefit to the in-
habitants of a district placed at present under very pe-
culiar disadvantages. Such a railway would open up a
Communication between the remote and secluded Western
Highlands and Islands and the great lines of commL
cation throughout the kingdom. It would supersede
the long and dangerous navigation by which the traffic
of that district was at present conducted; and that
traffic, he should remind the House was of an ex-
tensive character. The Chamber of Commerce of
Glasgow, whose members must have been per-
fectly acquainted with the whole subject, had memo-
rialised the late Chancellor of the Exchequer in favour
of the project, and had expressed their belief that
it would be difficult to conceive how the public
money could be more legitimately or usefully
than in aiding in the construction of such a work. The
condition of the inhabitants of that district was at pre'.
sent most deplorable in consequence of the want of that
system of communication. Such an application of the
public funds had been sanctioned by some of the wive',
has
of English statesmen a century ago, when roads
.on
employed
been constructed in the Highlands under the direction
of of General Wade. In the year 1847 the late Lorituor
Bcntinek had brought before the House a propos ay_
an advance of public money for the construction
1: 'a.
n
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extensive system of railway communication in
and, although that project hiid been rejected the aevoeu'e,
men by whom it had been opposed had thew
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