The Sun.
London, England, 1852-07-29 00:00:00

half-pact nine o'clock, when I was sit-
Tynlallcame into the room, and
parties.
at t h
phioaunto,
m r .
' tapping m- on the shoulder, said a gentleman wanted to
Mr. Tyndall spoke to me very kindly. I
left
when two policemen took me by force to
speak
th to r
o me.o-
m
the police station in New-street. I was then searched
in a public room. I did not consent to be searched, but
Tandy, deo officer, icsisted, and I was obliged to submit.
I did not know at all why I was taken there. I asked
Mr. Tandy what I was taken for, and he insulted me.
He told me I was a thief and an impostor.
The JUDGE intimated that the defendants were not
answerable for the conduct of the police.
Witness—l was confined in a cell all night, and I re-
collect the door being opened in the morning, On that
occasion I saw the Baroness Von Beck. She said wo
are accused of being impostors, and asked me for some
water and a physician. Oa going into court at eleven
o'clock, I say the Baroness sitting on a chair nearly
dying. I was placed in a corner of the court.
Sergeant Miller—Were you placed in the place where
prisoners are usually placed?
Witness—l don't know, for I was never in such a
place before.—(Laughter.) When in court I heard a
gentleman make a long speech, and Mr. Dawson and
Mr. 'Tyndall wcro rzarnin2l. I was than discharged. I
have received money in this country. The Rev. Mr.
Wingate, the friend of our family, has brought me
money.
Tao information upon which the warrant was granted
was here put in, when it appeared that there was no
heading to it, but had the appearance of a mere deposi-
tion before a magistrate. The warrant Ives not forth-
coming.
Mr. W. H. Gem was recalled and gave evidencs—l
wes present when the plaintiff was brought before the
magistrates the morning after his arrest.
The JUDGE—What was the charge, and who made it?
Witness—There were no other depositions taken than
those then produced; bat those persons, Mr. Tyndall
and Mr. Dawson, gave evidence, and the four defendants
were all present. A professional gentleman appeared
and conducted the charge against Derra De Meroda.
He said he appeared for Mr. Dawson, and the names of
the other defendants were mentioned.
The depositions taken before the magistrates at the
time the warrant was granted were then read, in which
the deponents, Messrs. Dawson, Ryland, and Tyndall,
swore that they believed the plaintiff and the Baroness
Von Beck were impostors; and Mr. Dawson stated more
particularly that 243. was obtained from him by false
pretences.
The JUDGE expressed his surprise that any magis-
trate could have granted a warrant upon such deposi-
tions. They were mere notes of credulity, nothing
more.

Constant Derra De Maroda was then cross-examined
by Mr. MACAULAY—Mr. Tyndall treated myself and
the Baroness with great hospitality until within a few
days of our arrest. It was our intention to have left
Birmingham on the Saturday or the Monday. I lett
the army because I was going to be married. I intended
to live upon the allowance made by my father. I came
to England to see the Great Exhibition. I have been
here 'ever since respecting this affair, and last saw Mr.
Bentley, the publisher, about three weeks ago. I have
spoken to him about this subject. Mr. Hart
rrecom-
mended me to my attorneys. I speak the French, G
o
man, and Hungarian languages. The deceased spoke
very littla French. Most ladies in Hungary six•!
French. The Baroness told me that she had Hied at tao
Court of Vienna during the reigns of three Emperors.hat
She never told me in what capacity. She told
she knew my family at Pesth by reputatien.
me also that she had married Baron Von BeckBmbiene tilled
northe:n pert of Hungary, but I never knew the Baron
myself. Ido not know the name of the lanaiord of the
house, 38, Dean-street, Soho. I met Mr. K, °
almost every time I called at the house. He is se
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wick.ook in eq
I never stated
of
d thatmlyjoined the Baroness Von
B
I had money at the Clarendonowwnheri.:orw
but ho told me
asked Mr. Tyndall for the subscription,
he could not get it.
iff
The Learned COUNSEL here cross-examined plaintiff
as of
Viterurts,ttudncesl.
as to the statement of Mr. Haynik,
police of Hungary, under the government of Kossuth,
when before the manistrates at Birmingham, when Ser-
geantsame Miller objected. The objection caused same die.
cession, but ultimately, the Judge allowed the cross-
examiaation to proceed, adding than the extreme irre-
gularity practised at the Birmingham Police-office was
very disgraceful. The examination, it appears, had
never been signed by the witnesses.
The cross-ceamination of Detre. De Mande was re-
suhaed—l did not thank Mr. Haynik
except sarcasti-
cally, in my own i„geaeo,(Leughter.)
Et-examined—Mr. Islaynik said at C.rmingbam that
ho was a nobleman, but he was not acknowledged as one
m titpuortfußnaitryonefso sr
Von three
Beck.
r.+ hi; own country. Mr. Dawson and Mr. Tyred..ll had
an o.tps
allotthe
antimes
she was what she represented herself to be.
Mr. G...m repeated tne evidence of i'd.r. Hayall: at the
Birmingham Police-office, and in which he denied that
weeks
I thoughtof a t judging
Von Beck was a noblewoman, but a woman named
Reeidula and a spy in the Hungarian service. When
before the magistrates, Mr. T. Smith stated that, in con-
sequence of the death of the Baroness, they had no wish
to proceed further against the plaintiff, but simply to
state the case on which they made their charge against
the two prisoners. The magistrates thereupon dis-
charged the prisoner, the present plaintiff, observing;
that they should have dealt differently wilts the case it
both prisoners had been brought before them. The
sudden death of the Baroness, however, prevented that.
Mr. NIAOAULAY—Did the magistrates say that the
plaintiff and the Baroness had been properly arrested?
Mr. Sergeant m —ILLER objected to the question.
The JUDGE—We have nothinn to du with the opi-
nions of the magistrates. You na ty rely upon it that I
shall not be guided by the opinion of the Birmingham
magistrates.
The evidence of Dawson and Tyndall, as given before
the magistrate, was next read. rlt has already been
publiehed.
Licutcraant Gerski was examined by Mr. FIELD, by
means of an interpreter. I was a lieutenant under Ge •
II know
afterwards
h e B a
sr
ao
wn e s
hers Ar o
an t B
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rk. atT yDoi
de hi
ir
le, ss t, e
inn,
natal Bern, in the Hungarian service, +luring the Hunga-
irnianlsw494l...
Biriningliassa. The second time I saw her was at Pesth,
wherd she was always called the Baroness Von Beck.
nes'lYrie, the Minister, who was
She was so addressed by
afterwards hanged by the Austrie.ns. She was recog-
nised by the sister and mother of Kossuth as the Ba-
roness Vert Beck.
Cross-Examined by Mr. MACAULAY—I knew the Ba-
roness Von Beck in Deen•straet, Soho. I copied part of
her first book. The manus,crint was in her trunk when
she sot off to Birmingham. It was in a public place at
Pesth that he saw the Baroness. At Diebresten she
was in conversation with one of the Secretaries of State.
By the JUDGE—I never knew her husband.
Charles Anthony Noedle,by Sergeant MILLER—In the
year 1843 I was in the camp of the Hungarian troops,
of which I was a hentenant. It was my duty as an or-
derly to introduce visitors to the Government Commis-
my. A lady introduced herself to me as the Baroness
Von Bock, whose husband had been killed at a barri-
cade in Austria. Tne commissary and officers cease out
and the former, addressing her, said, " God bless you,
my dear Baroness." She went in and stayed with him
half an hour. On the 24th of April, I again saw her at
the fortress of CenaJrn, and, at a bail given by the
officers and their ladies, she was treated very politely as
the Baroness Von Beck.
The JUDGE—Suppose that you prove that the Baro-
ness was not an impostor, what thee? The point is, had
there defendants any reasonable ground at the time for
believing that she was an impostor. I really do not think
teat this evidence is at all material.
Sergeant MILLER said that if that was his Lordship's
opinion he would not press the examination.
Cross-examined by Mr. MACAULAY—I have learnt to
cut hair, and is our country, if a men wishes to bee eme
a surgeon, he must attend six Latin schools, and learn
to cut hair. It is required as a qualification.
The JUDGE—IL was the custom in this country, for-
merly, to unite the two professions.
Cross-examination resumed—Wheal saw the Baroness
I believe she travelled in a carriage, but I never saw a
servant with her. I never heard Keszeny call the
Bareness Radieula, nor did I ever hear her celled Mrs.
Beck.
Daniel Kaszony, examined by Mr. Sergeant MILLER
—I firrt saw the Baroness at Presburg, in Upper Hun-
gary, on the 10th of November, 1848. She came from
Vienna, and saw the Commissariat-General, with whom
she communicated on private matters. Recommended
the employment of a competent person as a stay, to be at
Pesth, and he said they had already a very clever lady.
in that town. At Diebretsen, I paid the Baroness for
her services 3,200 florins. She signed the receipt in the
name of the Baroness Von Beck. I saw her again with
Prince Esterhazy, and others, afterwards at Hamburgh.
She was always addressed as Madame Baroaess. I was
present in Mr. Tindall's house when Derma and she were
taken into custody. I asked what they were taken into
custody for, and they told me if I would go to the pri-
soncrtolas.
esnoexxatoi
next morning
rninhgy m
at erl.evemnAoo'cAluotAsyl_i shouldwas sae:.
Janet to the Commissariat, and afterwards becamaeda.
lieutenant in order to avail myself of the terms of the
capitulation at Comorn. I was not expelled from the
Emigration Society at Hamburgh because I had em-
bezzled the funds of the society, and never heard of
, friends in London
such a charge until now. Whehyi saw the Baroness at
Presburg she can
Re-exa
the term mined by herself Race:1111a; and some of her
Middle --'l'
made use of that term in joke.
a RacidtaiSenrgiciant MILLER—When she used
Michael Angelo
the Austrian outposts
my terms in the
Mr. Bentley, the publishereult
Beck's first work.
Mr. Bentley and partly
to
I receive'd
Mr. Ryland in Court, as a
me in London. It was on
Birmingham. I was engaged
ut:rveysunbgary, she had to pass through
yMr.FIELD—I am keeping
le. I was employed b
octranslato Baroness Von
from
these manuscript partly from
gentleman
Baroness. I recognise
theg di:mil:on who called upon
for the Baroness. It was an autobiography.
ttsroalartee the
tharrest ink
another
hexidwto:7o
when Mr.
volumes of the manuscript in my rossossio
Hyland called upon me, and had received from the
Baroness 20/. on account. Mr. Ryland asked me if I
was translating the new work of the Baroness, as a re-
lation of his was collecting the names of subscribers,
and he wished to see whether it was a bond fide trans-
action. I offered to show him the manuscript, when
Mr.lty
dand said it was unnecessary, as my word was
sufficient.
The JUDGE—Otte would really think that there is no
such person as the plaintiff in existence, for I have heard
nothing of him for the l.ast three or four hours'. Did
You Once see the plaintiff at Ramsgate with the Ba•
ron'ss? Witness—l did.
The JUDGE—And you called her Baroness in his pre-
sence?
Witness—l did; and he saw the translation in
progress, as it was ;yin?, GO uty
table.
By ma m 4
• ckuLAYr •:-I received the first part of the
manuscript in July, kd n &co
ore I west to g*. I was,