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affect the interests of this country in the slightest degree. •j`
Why, in fifty years' time it would not signify if there was a .ISI
ss. duty imposed upon corn. At all events, he was of opinion
that their Lordships ought to be satisfied with the declara-
tion of the Noble Earl.-( Hear, hear.)
The Earl of ABERDEEN said-My Lords, I was pre-
pared to be satisfied with the declaration made by my
Noble Friend at the head of the Government, in answer to
the question which has been put by the Noble Duke.-
(Hear, hear.) But after the speech of the Noble Baron I
confess-- I am almost in doubt what interpretation I am
to put upon the declaration made by my Noble Friend.-
(Hear, hear.) As for waiting to see how an Opposition be-
haves, or how a third party behaves, of whom, I am sorry
to say, lain one-(A laugh)-having sat in this House for
forty years, I stn afraid that it is not likely that the Noble o,
Baron will receive much new light upon the subject. (So
we understood, but the Noble Earl was at times indistinctly
heard.) I believe I have always acted consistently in Ibis •
House. I have already mentioned the great subjects upon
which I differ from my Noble Friend at the head of the
Government, and to that difference I intend to adhere.
-(Hear, hear.) But when the Noble Lord treats the
question as a matter of little importance, I can only say it
is not co much the intrinsic question itself that is to be re-
garded as its relation to the welfare and prosperity, and ,
even the peace of the country.-( Loud cries of" Hear, hear.") o
I think my Noble Friend at the head of the Government has
given such an answer as was c tneistent with his duty .
(Hear, hear)-but he must permit me to give my interpre-
tation of it after that which we have received from the
Noble Baron.-(Hear.) I understood him to say that, con- '
sistently with such measures as were of urgent and primal"' ~
importance being assed-a matter which must always be of
one degree-(" Hear," trom the Earl of Derby) - he may at-
tach greater importance to come than I may, but it is for him •
of course to decide - (Hear)-such measures as he thinks of
primary importance - (Hear)-that he:would then advise her •-•
Majesty to dissolve Parliament,-(Hear.) But the impor-
tant part of the declaration is this that, be it sooner or be
it later, a new Parliament will be called to decide that greet
question to which I have referred in the course of the autumn- •
-(" Hear," from the Earl of Derby.) With that lam quite
satisfied--(Hear)-and I should feel that pressing for anY pre:
cise pledge as to time would be highly improper, and, in fee'
unconstitutional.-(Hear, hear.) Indeed, for this House to
interfere with the dissolution of Parliament altogether, is,
Perhaps, stepping out of its province.- (Hear, bear.)
I am aware that in this House, for instance, Lord Chat'
ham moved an address to the Crown to dissolve
Parliament ; but whatever Lord Chatham's Merits
sae a Minister might be, certainly his conduct in oppositio7
is not for your Lordships to follow-(Hear, hear)-sfld
trust, if any such motion should be proposed in this House,
it would meet with no concurrence from your Lordsbies----
(Hear, hear.) But I must just advert to a topic alluded to
by my Noble Friend, when he said that the precedent to
which the Noble Duke, I think, had referred, of Mr. ri°
first Government, was not strictly in point. That is true,
except that there is one respect in which the position (41131
Noble Friend is singularly similar to that of Mr. Pitt in s"-
the
first Government, namely, that of himself sustaining
whole weight of the Government on his own shoulders.
(Some laughter and cries of " Hear, hear," from the 014
tion). 1 believe I may say that without offence to his col-
leagues, for probably they may be the first to acknowlecingel
his superiority, his splendid talents, and his high Pere°'
character.-(Hear, hear ) In that therefore he strictly re-
semblee Mr. Pitt.- (" Hear, hear," and a laugh). But wheili e• •
he alluded to the other precedent, of Sir Robert Peel, I °es
say he has quite mistaken the facts as they took place' m
Sir Robert Peel began by dissolving the Parliamenorates
then met the new Parliament, and with small mai
against him struggled on for a certain time in the hope
prospect of converting his minority into a majority-ae • •
(Hear, hear.) And how long did he do that? •`'i
remained for two raontba only. Parliament rhet'„fa •
think, early in February, and I think-1 7,
the honour of forming a part of that Government-we;-;
signed on the 7th of April.-(Hear, hear.) Now, be bad
remedy; ; but my Noble Friend, if he were in the lame pos"
tion of being pressed by majorities against him, has the ral'
medy which Sir R. Peel did not possess, because he had
ready tried it.-(Hear.) Therefore my Noble Friend At an)
time may have recourse to an appeal to the country, to cce:lse
vert the majority against him into one in his favour, if he,
thinks proper to resort to it.- (Hear.) It seems that is -
though I recollect, sitting on this si of te H
course which my Noble Friend is not prepared to tairef
Noble Lord always professed to be exceedingly anxious fey
sr
dissolution-(Hear)-to bring the question to an issue.''oooe
(Hear.) Now, Ido not wish to press this ; -
for granted still that my Noble Friend is snoomt reluctant to
take that course-(" Hear," from the Earl of Derby), that
therefore I wish with the most perfect fairness to admt
in this situation I think he is bound to carry the moil?:
ouset the'
described as essential and indispensable to the welfare men
country, so as to enable him to fulfil the promise be hasrhe_s;
to the House.- (Hear.) What he said was quite satisfactory
and all that comet be desired; it was only, the strange 01
put upon it by the Noble Baron which left me no course ba
to state my understanding of the matter.-; Hear.)
Earl GREY also was satisfied with the declaration of the
Noble Earl (the Earl of Derby), though dissatisfied with the,.
gloss put upon it by the Noble Baron. But the mere fact 01
the Noble Earl announcing hit wieh and intention to have
the question of our future commercial policy brought to a
speedy issue, and not left in uncertainty longer than wee
necessary, would render the existing House of Commons !:
incapable of considering any important questions with tIL
necessary calmness and deliberation, when Members wool}
be occupied with their canvass and future election, that
very speedy dissolution would now be found desirable. ,
(Hear, hear.) Therefore he (Earl Grey) was quite satisfieu,o
with the Noble Earl's declaration ; and he thought it ntilnit
inconsistent with the Noble Baron's idea of a session of not
only ordinary but more than ordinary length,-(Hear.) t
his (Earl Grey') principal object in rising was this-eLsiss
Monday, when the Noble Earl stated that he was roereja
following the precedent set by Lord J. Russell in 1
withholding a specific explanation of the intentions re;
views of the Government upon the great subject of ~„,'l,7).ohie
tion or no Protection, he quoted a speech of that t'thea
Lord to show that he declined to state the views ofthrey)
Government upon important questions; and be (Feo'. arse
ventured to contradict that representation; but, o,o:is ea'
speaking only from recollection he had not been able Lord
press himself so strongly as he was now able to
,e,.;, view's
J. Russell was called upon to make a statement No uro„„n too
of the Administration ; and he replied that he bahrieown
long in Parliament, and his views were too genefsbY bijo, to
upon the all-important questions then before the Piloot geo
make it necessary that he should enter upon any soestiens
neral statement, but that with regard to specific clulower,
which fie had been asked, he was ready to give s 3 church,
and with regard to the queStion respecting the Irish in hie
his answer was clear and distinct. He said that Irish
opinion the existing state of things with regard to the its
Church was not:altogether satisfactory, and he hsdaltiooo of,
favour of a motion of Mr. Roebuck on the approPo,rl 000th,
property of that church, and the endowment of ill thought
but that that motion was rejected, and, though be bythe
the rejectiOn wrong, he was prepared to abide oed
,recorded sense ofg,
the House of Commons, 4- too-
leas not the intention of his Government i°
pose any alteratibn of fhit-state of things.
added,
atett he would not pledge himself to to
sokere
the
this, if any time ;there should be a change fresby's
opinion of the Irish Catholics and the Scotch f
r
teriaus and the English people-a general change 0. tion of
nion ; but he stated clearly that it was not the iritea_tT.ect.
the Government to make any proposition upon the ebuSloble
He (Earl Grey) should, for one, be satisfied if th
tecnons
Earl would make that declaration with regard to Pr°- N-
and say it was not the intention of the Government country
pose any alteration in the commercial policy of the to
-(Hear, hear)- that, though it would be open to ;i_
make it if he saw a change of opinion, it was not his Vie,---.Ll 7
Lion, as at present advised, to make such an alterati
vr„
(Hear.) The all important question in the present day
freedom of commerce; let the electors show whethe h
of coin'
really electing persona in favour of freedom o
merce -or not.-(Hear.) The Noble Baron bad si,trtesal
was comparatively an insignificant uestion ;he (Earl '
so entirely differed .from him that be agreed with the Noble
quhear.) Earl (the Earl of Aberdeen) in thinking
of overwhelming importance to the country. -
urp,
on its
The welfare and peace of the countrey dependedbeolicy pursued
it the one
being understood what was to b
-s
elsewhere, and the
Noble Baron adverted to proceeding
ed to the Government;
upon this all-insportant question. ( Hear, P hear.) The
conduct of the different parties
woepo,i,
he had only to obtain
that they did mean
from the Government a
I olic of the country notes-ear,
if he wished things to bedeoetlhaerar
to disturb the comrnercia p.
that made Earl( Grey?
this question
It was doubt upon
with
such extreme distrust. Though
treat the Government w:him tijogen
with confidence,
Personally b
die
dee are ions,o opinions and prices,
Ales
with osig to lead him to a • eeceS'
ples went, see ale-nidosa oppon, ex anticipate the
,„
it
except upon this ce!eo,i,
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declarations could
di
He stated that a protective blo
hear.) What had fallen from the
nothingp o nha t
hutsubject
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en;
Baron bad made hint even more distrustful than beforNe
(Hear, hear.) sa.
re-adopted, if the next elections should make the (;°veh-iel
went strong_eneugh.-(Hear hear.)be we
Itwas to ,h
the Noble Earl had stated his views, or °"-er' h
little more clearly, in
se
umbtireecint
th subject.-(Hear,)
r.)justice to those one way.
4,3 nesuc
it was or not the intention The to whom it i" op the
policy Woulrn„
importance that there should be no doubt Abetter
They shoof ut lhde be told-ay
Government
alteration of
our commercial policy.-- (Hear.)
The petition
was then ordered to lie on the table.
PATENT LAW AMENDMENT (No.
2) BILL' of
eadiag,
Lord COLCHESTER, in moving the second r hints
this Bill, said Lprinciple•
with that w" „f
otrol3;;;;° -113 Y
was in the same N'T.
passed their Lordships' House last year, adopting titne to
the Commons' amendments, which there was net c
consider last year. There was to be a Board of 90ted to
sioners for Patents, and an Examiner would be Lord
ei
examine into the novelty of the invention. The ‘'`"
s to he
then briefly described the order of the proceedineg wing
taken upon petitions for patents. The expenses of "'
Forlverl3.'
patents would be very considerably reduced. to I°°'''
when there was no opposition, the fees amounted nta be
bit under this Bill the fees for the first three years 'ef°,_ re
only 201.,•with (J. stamp duty, and the patent couhWinol
newed for a further period on payment of some au_ct en'
fees. There were also clauses in the Bill which wow• phi'
able persons wishing to take out patents to ascertaill_jously
ther any patent for a similar object had been Pre',oo of
grantee], and they could ascertain from the specifica"estere
such patents whether their improvements were of ,
It
to render it worth while to persevere in the app am
was proposed that the Queen should have power to_
_6o`,,itt
patents for the colonies, in cases where her Majesty
fit to do so. It was intended that a separate Bill eb°shape
introduced with regard to inventions used in foreigiLn,
boa
which came within the jurisdiction of the British Cr°
137
Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY said that a
esf ble aD
already been introduced on this subject by a - &red ire
Learned Lord, who was not now present, which di ;100
some respects from this measure, particularly in some
ether
relating to machinery. He would suggest, therefore, w owe;
the better course would not be to refer both Bills to
Committee? cc
ede to
Lord COLCHESTER expressed his readiness to a
atld
the suggestion of the Noble Lord. Dee to
Lord TRURO said he did not rise to oppose the er
he would be anxious to afford any assistance in his Pow ode_
the Noble Lord who had charge of it; with a view tudertaltee
it efficient. He most say, however, that be would unnoseeso
to show that this Bill, in its present form, would ieeres',e
expense, would increase delay, and would greatly
...sive ei
dissatisfaction, and that it would be much more teOP",.eserfus
the patentees than the existing law. If the Bill wasoecooe°
to a Select Committee he would communicate his obi
to the law officers of the Crown.
After a few words fom the Earl of BNT be re
dered to
The Bill was read ar second time, and was or O,
ferred to a Select Committee.
• Their Lordships adjourned at a Quarter to Eight

HOUSE OF COMMONS, March 19. gout
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before
o'clock.
PETI LIONS. f 0011
Several petitions were presented in favour 0
•
pLnny postage. alablelr
Mr. A. RA.STIE presented 0, petition NO -