The Sun.
London, England, 1864-10-28 00:00:00

Witness—l was there in 185). I was a prisoner there
for 21 days.
Sergeant Parry—Were ycu tried by a jury"
Witness—Yes.
Sergeant Parry—l never heard of a jury trying a man
for a spree. Were you convicted for stealing a posting boot
and pair of spurs ?
Witness—Yes. They were in the box when I sent it
home, but I did not know they were there,
Re-examined by the Solicitor-General—l was about 29
years of age at the time I was convicted. lam now 37. I
have not been in trouble since. How I came to know about
the murder was, I was at the rank at Paddington, and while
the horse was drinking I saw a bill there on the wall, and
I asked the Waterman how high be thought I was.
Sergeant Parry —I object to that.
The Solicitor-General—You shall have the whole of the
conversation.
Lord Chief B srcn—You cannot, brother Parry, have a
portion of a conversation taken down in the notes.
Sergeant Parry—l don't sant even a portion of the con-
versation taken down.
Lord Chief Baron—We will have the whole of the con-
versation.

Sergeant Parry—l can't object, if your lordship PO rules,
Solicitor-Ganeral (to witness)—Repeat the whole of the
conversation.
Witness— I went home and looked at the small box I had
at home. From what I had heard from the waterman I knew
the name of the jeweller was Death. I took the box to the
waterman. He got inside my cab, and I drove him to the
police station at Paddington, I saw Sergeant Steer there,
and I gave it to him, together with a small slip of paper,
written by Muller. I gave information then about the hat,
Mr Tanner has got the bit of paper.
Inspector Tanner pro'uced the paper. It was found to
be the name and address of Mrs Blyth.
Witness—l went to America with the Muller expedition.
I have since my return discovered where I was on the 9th
of July. I was on the rank at the Great Western Rail-
way from seven till eleven. I did not get a fare up to
that time, and I then went home afterwards. I bought
!joint of meat ; and then took the meat home,
having previously left the cab at the stables at Lisson-
grove. I was cross-examined a good deal about my
hat, but before the examination I had made myself well
acquainted with what had become of all my previous hats
With respect to the statement I made before the Coroner
about these hats, I was asked whether one side of the brim
was not turned up more than the other, I said yes. I have
since that made some further inquiries, in orter to speak
with greater correctness.
The deposition of Mathowr, takes before the magistrate
and Coroner were then put in and read, but they did not
differ from the evidence given to-day in any important par-
ticular, except as far as regards the engagement of Mathews
on the evening of the 9th of July. On the occasion re-
ferred to he said he did not know where he was or what ho
was doing that night.
Eliza Mathews, examined by Sergeant Ballantine--I am
the wife of the last witness. I know Muller, and have done
so for two years. Ile used to come to our house. I was
present when the conversation took place about the hat. I
know ray husband bought one at Crawford-strEet. It was

turned up at the side rather more than my husband'',
was. The hat produced looks like the hat I refer to.
The hat I speak of was bought for and given
to Muller about a fortnight after it was brought home.
On Monday, the 11th, the prisoner called to see rue ; he said
he had come to wish us good-bye previous to going to New
York. He remained three or four hours. He said he was
going out in the service of Mr Hodgkinson, and that he
was to get £l6O a year, Ho told me he had met with an
accident on Thursday— that a letter-cart had run over hie
foot. During the time he was with us he showed me a
chain, which he took off the button-hole cf his waistcoat.
I took it, and, after looking at it, I told him it was not a
very good one. I saw a little box on the occasion. Muller
took it out of his pocket and gavo it to my little girl. My
husband took that box about a week after. My daughter
played with it all the Monday evening,
when it was put in
a drawer. I saw Muller had a ring on ; he told me his
father had sent it him from Germany, He wished us good-
bye and went away.
Cross-examined by Sergeant Parry—My husband Bret
saw the box on the Tuesday morning. Muller never said a
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word about Mr Death to me. I no; recollect that I said

Mr Death was a good jeweller. I noticed the prisoner wore
dark trousers. He was with us for three or four hours on
the Monday. As he was going away, I said, when he took
off his hat to go, "bow well that hat wears." Muller said,
"It's a different hat." I heard of the murder on Monday,
the 11th, from a lodger in our house. I was told a shock-
ing murder had been committed In a railway carriage.
My husband used occasionally to buy a penny paper, which
ho would read on the boa. I used to take them sometimes
out of his pockets. I won't be sure whether or not we had
a Sunday paper after I heard the murder.
By Serjeant Ballantine—My husband would be out with
his cab for hours attar I was in bed.
At the suggestion of a juror Mrs Repsch was recalled and
asked if she recollected the day Muller first brought the hat
she had spoken of to her house, to which she replied she
could not.

Mr Repack recalled, and in answer to a question front
the learned Judge, he said ho was in the habit of seeing
Muller on week-days, but that he did not see him tor three
or four Sundays previous to the murder.
Joseph Hemequort, examined by Mr GitTard, said—l am
foreman to Mr Hodgkinson. The prisoner had been for six
weeks, previous to the 9th of July, in our employ. He re-
ceived 255. a week. After ho had been with us a month it
was arranged he should work piece-work, which he did for
two weeks. He never went back ,to work for 25e.; he
said he could make more, and he discharged himself a week
before the murder was committed. He was not engaged
by my employers to go to America.
Cross-examined by Mr Metcalfe—He bore a good cha-
racter. Ile was not of a quarrelsome disposition.
Edward Watson—l was formally foreman to Mr Walker,
of Crawford-street, hatter. I left last week. The mate-
rial with which this hat (that found in the railway car-
riage) is lined was used by us during the time I was there.
I should think the price of the hat produced would be
about Bs. 6d.
Cross-examined—The lining is peculiar to Mr Walker's
house. I don't know how many hats would be lined with
it, but I don't think we had more than 3 or 4 hats lined
with that material,
Lord Chief Baron—Do you moan to say that not more
than 3 or 4 were lined with that material ?
Witness—Yes, my lord. It was a portion of some
sample lining sent to Mr Walker.
Sergeant Parry—Were did it comp from ?
Witness-1 cannot say.
Mr Walker, hatter, of Crawford-street, Marylebone,
examined by the Solicitor-General—The hat and box pro-
duced come from my shop, The lining is peculiar. I did
not have more than one or two hats lined with it. It was
one of a lot of sample pieces that I bought, There were
about 500 pieces in all when I Lought them, It is a French
hat.

The Solicitor-General—Look at that hat; is it an 83 6d
or 108 6d hat ?

Sergeant Parry—Ask him what would bo the cost of
such a hat.
Tho Solicitor•Genoral—Very well; answer that question.
Witness—About 8s 6d or 10s 6d; I cannot say which.
Inspector Tiddy,examined by Sergeant Ballantine—l pro-
duce the jeweller's box, the hat box, and slipper referred to
during this trial.

James Giffard—l am agent for Messrs Grinnell, ship-
owners. They have an office on the north quay in the
London dock. I open the office about 9 o'clock. I recog-
nise the prisoner. I first saw him on Wednesday morning,
the 13th of July, about 11 o'clock. He asked me the price
of the passage to New York. I told him £l. Ho asked
when the ship sailed, and I said "To-morrow." He then
went away, and came back about 2 o'clock, and said, "
come to pay the fare." He paid the £l, and I gave him
the cheque. He came back again the same day, about 3
o'clock, with three parcels, two large and one small one. It
did not seem to contain some hard substance with angles.
Sergeant Parry—Surely that is not fair to ask suck a
question ; you can ask him what sort of a parcel it was.
Mr Giffard—Well, then, what sort of a parcel was the
small one ?

Witness—lt was a small one about 18 inches long and 9
wide, I refused to take charge of the parcels, and he took
them away.
Cross-examined by Sergeant Parry—lt is the habit of
poor German emigrants to carry a small parcel containing
their soap, brushes, &o, There were about four Germans
going as passengers in the Victoria. We have a German
porter, and he would answer any question in my absence.
The learned Sergeant askod for the production of the
contract ticket, but it had been lost.

Sergeant Parry—You can give a general statement of its
contents ?
Witness—Yes.
Sergeant Parry—The prisoner gave his correct name and
address ?
Witness—Yes.
Jacob Wiest, in the employment of Mr White at the
London Docke—l recollect seeing the prisoner some days
previous to his paying his passugo on the Wednesday. 1
am not quite positive, but I have some recollection of seeing
him at our office on Monday, I got there abuut nine in the
morning,

George Clark, of the Detective Police, said—l boarded
the Victoria on her arrival at New York on the 25th of
August. Tierman, a New York policeman, was with roe.
The prisoner at the bar was on board. He was called to the
after part of the ship by the captain. I took hold of his
arm, and he said, " What's the reatter 1' Tierman said,
"You are charged with the murder of Mr Briggs," and I
followed it up saying " Yes, on the North London Railway,
between Hackney Wick and Bow, on the 9[h of July."
Prisoner, I think, said "I never was on the lino," but I
don't know whether he said ho never waa on the line that
night or that he never was on the lino at all. I then told
hint I was a policeman, and he vas taken below. Tiroman
searched biro.. A key was taken from his waistcoat pocket.
I asked him what it belonged to, and he replied his box. 1
asked him where it was, and ho said in his berth. I com-
municated with the captain, and then went to No. 9 berth,
and found a black box, which I took into the saloon. I
unlocked the box, and in the corner I found the watch
(troducetl) in a piece of leather, Ae I `tad taking it out I