The Sun.
London, England, 1852-05-05 00:00:00

WEDNESDAY EVENING, MAY 5, 185e2.

(Hear, hear.) I have never found fault with the mo-
tives. of thase who propoled to deprive ino of the power
of bringing in a Bill on this subject —(ll2ar, hear.) It
was a proceeding, I believa, quite without precedent.—
(Hear, hear.) 'Daring the'time I haie sat in Parliament
I have known no such precedent. I ditl, not find fault
with the motives of those who did it; bat because I,
on the second reading of this Bill, opposed it, it was said
that my motives must not be with a view to the de-
fence of the country, but that they were party motives.
--(Hear, heat.) I deny such an interpretation of my
conduct: (Cheers.) :it- '-gross misrepreiontation
of whit my intiorions were Oh the Ohjeot --r(Hear.)
can hardly speak on this subject-without sayingthat the
Right lii Gentleman two Secretary
.of State for.the
Home Department, anti some Gentleinea on the other
side, have most fairly'addiesand themselves; to'anY argu-
ments I have used.-7(lipan.: hoar.) I have nothing to.
campiain 'of on their part; and with regard tothe Right
Hon. Gm!leman the Spam taffy-of State teething could be
inure fair than the manner i.o which he met ray 1.g4,'
manta—([leap, th;.) mattenat pro3etit
stands, I. think it better that thitlinase, having tljeitPd
in favour of
ini, should go' into
Committee, all no alfer:violie -should be in that`aro
inconsistent:M.li the'g6 inteeff4iii of the Goverii-
ment.—(llear, lrat.)'• I c Apnot say I take a. very bail
pine view of iti ellF.i'etiq;„andsr 0,1,,k it wirl:b6 fOund
nee,miary,-Prebahly 'at- tho eo.nirieneemnit of the "nestyear, to reelatv th,i Whale `stiViet'ef the defaticeSof 'the
country.—(Hear, hear.) I- think it 'prob tblivithout
any vit,sv.to tar' divisiona. on the may ,
arrive ova' SOtenrot deraeoe that may be'vrtiaps hat- '
ter than the tacit p
'militial pros°, or the regular ttillitisnow prOposed, end 'ky.Whiith we will be all satiSiled the
is bear.) tr'n
country.
afraid You will the BUM ita opi:ratien, Whtle,it will
ha obnoxious to. Many doleViints,' wilt not give ''-saeh'a
force as yoti can tel 'upon;* hot tie not think that' in
the present ses9ion 'be -able to determine upon
such a .forde.(abir, lienr)- -I think it better that 'the
present Bill tht.ia pass, and in the next session we can
considr the alterationa that 'should be Made, and the
means by which we can. =best' emend it.-(Hear; hear.)
It I should provo` to be niistalcr.‘n=if -50;000 'or`
80,000 efficient inh, on whom military men can rely,for
the defence of the countiir,'can be obtained,' I shall
.be
glad I was mistaken; brit if,-On_the'pontrary; the gene-
ral sense pf the Henke shall be that we ate not secure,
I trust we shall have.abine; other and more efficient Mea-
sure.—(lletii, hear.) . H
The House divided; when there.iTPeitred— =
• aa Mr. Coiien's amendment ": 76 •
Against .. 285
MsjoritsHio•ainst..;„
...-=x.209
Oa the questioti that the Speaker do leave the chair
for the House to ge into CoMmittee onrthe
-Mr. 111151 - Zertl John Russell for having
counselled 'the passing of *si measure Which he himself
had stated was inadequate to the purpose for which it
was intetuicd„ .For. the Opposition to yield tothe Noble
Lord's advice was to place" themselves in the same boat
with himself, and that he (Mr.-Hume) was not-prepared
to do. Ha ahotild. therefore,- Meet the 'Motion with .a
direct negativea--(Oh, oh! and diiide.) .: •
Mr. GIBSCYS asked rho Home Secretary whether it
was not possible to Ige into Committee pro forma, with'
a view to iletrOdaCing'auoth4••• Bill; Which should coma
prise the Whole of the militia law in one enactment?
Mr. WALPOLE 'couldiipt ,answer the question until
ho knew what the Cortimittee might do with the amend-
ment of whicktiotioe hactbeen given, to omit the com-
pulsory clauses of the Bill. •
Mr. BRIGHT asked if it was intended that the 80,000
men who were to be balloted for, or Who entered the
militia as sulegituteS voluntae,rs,- were`to come tinder
the provisiona 'of the Miitinye Act, and be subjected to the
punishmentof floaginewhilA training?
Mr. WALPOLE—The 115 n.
,Gentleman; would ex-
cuse him if he declined ansWeringthe qaestion until the
Bill went into Cemmittee,
Mr. COBDEN'thought that,: before 'the House was
called upon to go into Committee, his Hon. Friend had
a right to learn from' the Homo Secretary whether he
intended, by the provisions, of the measure, that those
who were balloted or who came under the provisions of
the Bill by volunteering or sating as substitutes, should
be subjected to Martial law' whilst in training, and the
punishment of the lath. , •
Mr. WALPOLE'S belieT wag, that according to the
provisions of the ACt 42 George 111., chap. 90, the mi-
litia, when embodied or enrolled, was put for the time
under martial law ;of course-he Meant by that expres-
sion under the', Mutiny Act. -
The 'CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER ex-
pressed a hope that the Hon. Member for Montrose
would withdraw bis motion; bid
Mr. FIUME decliniug,
The HoUse divided, whoa there, appeared—,
For the motion 219
Against it--- ...• B5
...

Majority for the metiot, ....... • . —134
The House then went into Committee pro forma, Mr.
BERNAL in the chair. -
Mr. BRIGHT hoped the Government would nol
hastily press forward the: measure to a further stage.
The urgency of proved, and he
the• measure was not
thought that any further stage of the Bill should be
postponed until the country had-time to declare its
opinion on the subject.
.., '
The CHANCELLOR of the .-li ,XCHEQUER said
that tlae proposition of the Han. Member was most pre-
posterous. The Government had been urged from day
to day to expedite :the business of the House, and what-
ever other business might be on where any doubt of its
importance might exist, the Militia Bill was that busi-
ness, for the preponderating opinion of the House was
declared in support of the importance of the measure;
and now the lion. Member wished them to fix a remote
day for its next stage, and for what purpose? Not to
discuss the merits of the Bill, hut to agitate-the country
upon it—to go' about the country agitating the public
mind on it—a course which was most unconstitutional.
Insteed, then, of fixing a distant day, h© should, in con-
formity with the gc'nr4l opinion of the House, take the
liberty of fixing Thursday, uezt foi proceeding with the
Committee.

Atter- a short etnierstitian, in which Colonel Sib-
thor p, Mr. Fox, Mr. Walpole, and Mr. M. Gibson took
part, as to the necessity of.
r'xpediting the' progress of
the Bill as, proposed by
the Chancellor of the. Exehe-
quer Mr,_oranches .of pter, ostpohicg it gis urged by the Hon. Member
fo
Mr. HUME.suggested,
as 4 middle course, that Mon-
da
tion y next
of the_ Bill. should be the =day for resuming the considera-
'
Mr. NEWI)EGATE Conabattd the proposition for
delay, as wholly uncalled-for and unnecessary, the mea-
sure having been, already so long before the House.
Mr. CUBDEN repelled the imputation of the Chan-
cellor of Exchequer, and. warned the Right Hon:Gen-
tleman not to repeat that trine to Hon. Members on that
(the Opposition) side of the House. A charge of agit2-
Lion
ce badly from
had oncame'before been
-,Hon.
-Members .opposite. They
o ppos 'to
them on a national
question, and they could not_charge him (Mr. Cobden)
or his friends with want Orforbearance on that ciCcasion;
but if they agitated the country,lt would not be for the
purpose of reinstating on. the -Treasury bench men who,
immediately on their entering-upon officp, abandoned the
principles which they professed hi opposition:
Tae CHANCELLOR of said
the • EXCHEQUER
there was a misinterpretation, which had batter be set
right at once. The Hot.-
Atember for Manchester
wished for delay in order to appeal to the country, and
he wanted to know what that Atoka, if not t 6 igitate the
country. He did not chtirge the Hoh. Gentleman with
wishing to agitate; he drew
Aot as an inference, but'
as the natural conclusion from his own words. With
reference to what had fallen from the Hon: Member for
the West Riding, he begged.t6 inform him that he (the
Chancellor of lz
the Exchequer) was. there to put into ope-
ration the polities which
.he had --, professed on the other
side of the House.--(Cheers.) .
After Some further discussion, the House resumed,
The-CRAIRMAN reported progress, and obtained
leave to sit againon Thursday neit
kluYt
henE_t d moyed that Monday next, instead of
ThursdilY, be tay kited fpr proceeding with the
Committee.
id
The HOu
For sthe e then ca' when_
there appeared--
31
Against •••
Majority 103_2
The house again. divided on 0, * !** "• 7**
the that the Souse
do resolFveor itsel
thef i
motion nto Com9:4tteen. .
Tharriday next.
105
Against it .••• 29
Majority -
Twenty Minutes
Adjourned at a • •••
P Past Two o'clock.

The lion. W. U. Dexcomna paired against Mr. Cob-
den'a motion, with Mr. H. D. SEVIKOITR in.favour.
Colonel CHATTEATON paired off against Mr. Cobden's
motion, with M. k_'CHOLEFIRI.:I3,.

WATER SUPPLY•of the-METROPOLIM l'
Yesterday, after 70 days' investigation, the •
Committee
of the Homo of Commons adopted the foil
law for the future regulation of the: water code of
and public supply of the metropolis. The"re companies
a .?ftst of this
inquiry is estimated at the rate of I,ooot
ing fees to 20,eounsel, ParinmmtnrY agent" Y, .i."lad-
conferences, publication of shorthand
.9tFer
note::
anaDdileitOrg ,
matters., Theprovieieca ere understood to be s
tory both to-the prOmoters of. the Government measure
and to the various water companies, whose Bills will
be gone into seriatim -by the Committee. The Bill of
the Chelsea Water Genii:lt:MY is 130 V, under considera-
tion,
dooragn,d.ppposition of the comp:tiles
and there, are ten others to be taken. Owing it
is stateJ, to the
Pro Posed in
the provisions are totally different to those,
the Government measaye as originally brought in.
" WhOreta it id expedient to make rl-, ;
rov.ion for se-
curing the supply to the metropolis of Pura and whole-
some water. and c titer 4$ 0 to make : further and, better
provision in' relation, to .the water supply of, the metro-
polis; by it,therefore enacted by the Quen's most Ex-
cellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent
of
the Lf?rkll Spiritual and ~,Temporal, and Commen,, in
a. 9 this preut Peril:l4lloA aSsombled• and by the authority
of the sinar_,, as follOivii: ~
•
•" Clauso 1. From ilia after the • , 1855," it
tibial not be lawful for any company to take'for the sup.
~.
(MY, thereof, tiiv
ply of the metropolis, or .of Y, Fart wa er
trom, any part of the river Thames below 'Addington
, Lock, or from any part-of any, of the tributary rivers or
streams of the river. Thames below the highest point
whore the tile flows in such tributary rivers and streams
respectively.
" Clause?. From and after the 31st day of December,
1855, every reservoir within a distance in a straight iin3
from St. Peas Cathedial, in the city of London, of not
more thaa five miles,. in which water for the supply of
the metropolis, or any part thereof, is stored or kept by
any cumpaily, shall bo roofed in, or otherVrise covered
over; provided always, that this provision shall not
, extend to any reservoir, the water from which is
sub-
jected,hy, the company to efficient filtration after it is
discharged fiona such reservoir, and before it is passed
into the mains or pipes of the company for distribution,