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London, England, 1855-07-07 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROUSE OF LORDS---I,YESTERDAY.)
THIRD REA. DINGS.
The following bills were sevc wally read a third time
~44(1 passed :—Hedon and Hall. &c., Roads ; Sligo Gas ;
'st. John's College, Oxford, Estate ; West Bromwich
bllnProvement ; Bridge Estate; Bolton and Nightingale
ead (Amendment) ; Edinburgh and Glasgow Railway
Amendment) ; Gun Barrel Proof House (Birmingham
tni London) ; Wolverhampto a New Water (Amend-
-1%111) ' • West Somerset Mineral. Railway (Amendment).
The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented a petition
from
, the London City Mission. against the alterations
made in the Religious Worship Bill. On the motion
the noble lord, the petition, was lead at length by
he clerk at the table.
ford BROUGHAM called the attention of their
("ships to a misstatement that had appeared in
;tert:pluoitllat house e daily
papers,
w Lich purported to be
that the proceedings that took place in
Upon the hearhai; of a particular case,
the noble lord. That repo:rt stated that he (Lord
tr:!tl_ghan3) had, by an expression of opinion, turned the
til-113ritY of the house in favour of a particular party to
alled suit. The fact was that -for three weeks before
ea,, a fortnight following the hearing of the
butt he was not in the house al; all. He did not attri,
eqt 4cY blame to the paper in question, nor to the
1., 1101 Z eot that had been made in -the cause, which, if truly
ruLtted, were both just and pr( q my, but he attributed the
gr4Presentation to some disaffected party that was ag-
by the accusation.
The a few words from Lori CADIPBELL,
tqe,r LORD CHANCELL() R confirmed the state-
oni;" f his noble and learned friend. The fact was the
1.4%,4,,, law lords present at the time were Lord St.
the cards and himself. He (the .'Lord Chancellor) thought
to4iticippent of the court bel.o w should be maintained.
clordi Leonards was of a nontrary opinion, and. ac-
es below he rule in sucd.
ca, 3es the judgment of the
. was h
The subject then dropped.
Th RELIGIOUS IVOR SHIP BILL.
of 0;',6 Earl of DERBY ma' ',Ted the second reading
41 "is bill. He regretted the alteration made by the
of ;,et committee, which did nod meet with the approval
1341" noble earl who had orig inally the charge of the
I).tibter 'a sharp conversation between the Earl of
Loi'r, the Earl of SHAFTEE3RIIRY, and the Bishops of
fth% and OXFORD, the biii. was withdrawn.
d'e Assizes and Sessions I ;ill was read a third time
11-
Passed
FRIENDLY SOC [STIES BILL.
pmfi-eedr'rieudly Sccieties Bill was read a third time and
,
Ivh• td CAMPBELL expre ;.sing the satisfaction with
In the course of its p assage through the house,
sgeau seen introduced into it. a clause tending to guard
soe-1„11,.8,t an abuse of the princitple of assurance by burial
ho h.11,`", which might have doe effect of leading to those
—ule crimes which excited. so much attention a few
tTatgo.
COURT OF EXCITEQUER (IRELAND)
TThis bill was read a second time.
he Stock in Trade Bill writ!. read a second time.
o' "clo cit• lordships then adjourried at a quarter past eight

'°I7SE OF COMMON;— (YESTERDAY.)
14; TETE CONDUCT OF THE POLICE.
SHELLEY asked the Home Secretary of State
14 stse'oer it was his intention, ratter the allegations made
in petition presented to the, house yesterday respect-
te; the conduct of the police on Sunday in Hyde-park,
qietitute a searching investi4 ration into their conduct
sir G
Jet t GEORGE GREY saki he had not been able
° investigate the charges made in those petitions,
Wit
repeated the statements made by him yesterday
iki;l:eference to the conduct .0 the police. He had re-
eo:°, a number of representsbt ions from persons, some
Prc.-Plaiting of the conduct of the police, and others ap-
it.
DUNCOMBE, to be in order, moved the ad-
;m'llent of the house. (Laughter.) The inquiry to
bhiekarching and to satisfy the public must be one to
1;:olbeg the public should ha ve access. A mere report
klo; the Chief Superintendent of Police or the
es.t'X'cffico he thought would not be considered
I)4,,i"cts, ory by the people. Let a commission be ap-
th t7u for the purpose of inquiring into the allegations
to 4;
had been made against the police, with full power
"lataine witnesses, and hear persons by themselves
Nvotiosel, when he bad no doubt the charges
ti i;"'4,l be fully substantiated. The inquiry men-
- ht'_ the Secretary of State would be a
to 2,lete farce in the eyes of the public. With regard
tart' Bat he had read of the soldiers and the Home Secre-
th43::lB. rePly that the commanding officer or commandant
vik4-`ed the police for what they had done, the officer
F3i, ,
°lll3' a sergeant.
• GREY—I am not aware that that was the case.
Was -'"UNCOMBE said what he wanted to know
sham' What had been done to those men? If by crying
reol;ie eh the police in the park for their conduct to
powers they had committed an offence against the civil
ho' tileY ought to be punished as well as men
her wore fustian jackets. The honourable mem-
r:ferred to a letter written by the senior curate
Tr.4d?t• Botolpb, with reference to the Sunday
ra at 31., whicha true, showed the metropolis to be
hgrt)e 'angel.. It was from a minister of the Gospel
eaos this description came, and who stated that
etl te.ple of the district of Houndsditch were the mo
freV,d. ruffians that could be found in the metropolis.
4.lidael„,levi!ci the people would have been peaceable last
"t th' and the police left them alone. Some.
dry
1,1'4 People who assembled there on that
res,l Probably never been there before, from the ex-
ad 011 they used, because they were heard to say they
eotk,llerer seen so nice a place. Victoria Park was
aßaintr.ig to be compared to it, and they should visit it
°tit of
again,lle warned them against keeping the people
visit °f
the Park for should they again
Dolice ". and meet with obstruction from the
their they would proceed, no doubt, to enforce
(Hear, hear.) If it was too late at this
iot, chef the session to appoints commission to examine
strinve matter, he hoped that an inquiry the most
sitSiror,talvtieopuolicleneext session be instituted into the can-
or for GREY said he had never proposed any specific
I‘‘r!i.' su oal mnodd.se °I, inquiry into the proceedings in Hyde-
rine, and
0.:.:•Y,!.0ut, as he had promised, a full, corn-
`"'crungKinquiry should be made with regard

to the conduct of the police on that occasion. (Hear, I
hear.) The honourable member (Mr. Duncombe) pre-
sumer' that the inquiry was to b conducted
under the auspices of the Home-oface, or under the sur-
veillance of the police • but such was certainly not his
(Sir G. Grey's) view when he first nropcsed the inquiry;
and further, the hon. member bad acted very unjustly
in leaving it to be inferred that the inquiry would be
one of a partial and unsatisfactory nature. He (Sir G.
Grey) pledged himself that the inquiry should be con-
ducted in a manner which would be perfectly satisfac-
tory to the public. In justice to the police, be
felt bound to say that if the public went to the
Park for the purpose of conducting themselves
properly and peaceably the police would protect them ;
but if they went there for a contrary purpose, the police,
they might depend, would be ever ready to do their duty
without fear either of intimidation or misrepresentation.
After a few words from Mr. DuiceomßE in reply,
CoL LINDSAY, in defence of the soldiers alluded to,
said that soldiers would never be found opposing the
police in the execution of their duty. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. J. W. FOX said there was no blame whatever
attached to the soldiers ; but when the promised inquiry
took place he should be prepared to furnish the names of
several respectable men, who were witnesses to the
police striking old inoffensive men, walking quietly
along, and also striking women and 'children. One
gentleman, a clergyman, was walking accidentally
along, and he told him (Mr. Fox) that he saw the
police strike people with great and unprovoked fury,
and when he (the clergyman) began to address the
police, remonstrating with them, there was such
a threatening attitude assumed by the police
towards him that he thought it more prudent
to make a rapid retreat. He would take that oppor-
tunity of saying that he had received a communication
from Houndsditch relative to the statements made in
that house by the hon. member for Dorsetshire (Mr.
Ker Seymer), as to the sales that take place there on
the Sunday, and stating that those sales afforded a
cheap and ready mode of purchase by persons who
could not attend such places on other days. (Hear, and
a laugh.)
Mr. KER SEYMER said the statement he had made
with reference to Houndsditch fair had not been contra-
dieted, but rather corroborated. As to the existence of
Houndsditch fair, without any reference to the
Sunday Trading Bill, it was a disgrace to the metro-
polis.
Mr. BOWYER bore his testimony, from personal
observation, to the extreme brutality of the police on
Sunday last in Hyde•park.

OFFICERS' INCOME TAX.
Mr. H. BAILLIE asked the First Lord of the
Treasury whether he was disposed to take into consi-
deration the question that officers upon foreign service
should be exempted (as was now the case in India) from
payment of income tax.
Mr. S. KNOX, before the question was answered,
asked whether the additional pay of ls. per day was to
be given to the soldiers who had served, and were
serving in the Crimea ?
Mr. BENTINCK deprecated the course adopted of
asking questions similar to this, and that of the hon.
member for Finsbury, in which latter case the feelings of
the people were more likely to be inflamed than sub-
dued. With regard to the probable disturbance on
Sunday next; in Hyde-park, if such took place, he
thought it would be attributable more to the ill-advised
remarks of the hon. member for Finsbury than the con-
duct of the Home Secretary.
Mr. DUNDAS bore his testimony to the forbearance
of the police on Sunday last, in driving the canaille back
from the carriage way. The police could do no other
than they had in driving those rascally boys who assem-
bled there, yelling at every person who passed in a car-
riage. The majority of persons assembled were youths,
under 20 years of age. He advised the Government, cp
the next occasion, to avail themselves of a 6-pounder.
Mr. WILLIAMS hoped the inquiry would be a strin-
gent one, when it would be found the conduct of the
police was disgraceful.
Lord PALMERSTON, in reply to Mr. Baillie's ques-
tion, said the reason why the Indian officers did not pay
the income tax was on account of their being
paid out of the revenue of the India
company. Officers on active service have a field allow-
ance besides their pay more than the amount of the in-
come tax, to meet the additional expenses of the cam-
paign, and that field allowance was proposed to be ex-
tended to the men at the amount of 6d. per day, which
would allow them to have some extra comforts, and make
provision for their families.
Mr. ROEBUCK—I rise, sir, to speak upon a very
serious matter. Words have been used by those who
should not have uttered them—words have been spoken
in this house which should not be used by any English
gentleman. The hon. member for Linlithgowshira has
recommended to the right hon. gentleman the use of six-
pounders against the people—(hear, hear)—
Mr. G. DUNDAS (interrupting)—l did not intend
more than that I thought military force should be used.
Mr. ROEBUCK—The hon. member has apologised
for his words.
The SPEAKER—The established rule of the house is
that if exception is taken to words used by any hon.
member in the course of debate, a motion should be
made to have the words taken down immediately.
Mr. ROEBUCK—I rose, sir, to make that motion.
(Order.)
The SPEAKER—Whatever words may have been
spoken, they should not be taken exception to after that
time.
Mr. ROEBUCK—I rose immediately with the :n-
-tention of moving that the hon. member's words be taken
down, but I yielded to the hon. member for Lambeth,
who proceeded to address the house. Ithink that no man
who feels as an Englishman—that no gentleman in this
house—should make use of any such expression as that
made by the hon. member for Linlithgowehire. (Loud
cheers,) First, the hon. member called the people
'• canaille ;" .then he took exception to their free enjoy-,
ment of th parks of this metropolis ; and then he Called
on the right hon. gentleman the Secretary of State to
make use of six-pounders against them. (Great cheering.)
The people of this metropolis believed themselves un•
justly treated. Ido not think that the noble lord the
member for Middlesex acted unwisely in withdrawing his
noxious bill as he did, though I am not a friend to any
course that would be yielding to clamour. (Hear.) But
that was a different thing from the course which is re-
commended by the hon. member—that of using six-
pounders against the inhabitants of this metropolis. It
is all very well for the hon. gentleman to say that he did
not mean what he said, but surely he has arrived at
years of discretion. (A. laugh.) As the Speaker has
decided that the words cannot now be taken down, I
will not make the motion which I had intended.
STEAM POST ATAUS4 COMMUNICATION WITH
TRALIA.

Sir J. PAKINGTON asked the Secretary of State for
the Colonies whether he had received copies of a circular
of the Governors of the Australian colonies, containing the
description of a plan for the establishment of regular steam
postal communications with these colonies?
Lord J. RUSSELL replied that the Treasury had under
their control and management the mails for Australia, and
that his hon. friend the Secretary for the Treasury would
state what arrangements were in operation or in contem-
plation.
Mr. WILSON said that the arrangement of mails by the
Cape of Good Hope had been abandoned, but with respect
to communications every two months by India they were
not abandoned, but only suspended in consequence of the
Peninsular and Oriental Company not having ships to per-
form the service. A proposal bad been made by the Trea-
sury to the Peninsular and Oriental Company for wails
every month to the Australian colonies, but no answer had as
yet been received. The subject would not be lost sight of,
and he could assure the right hon. gentleman that the Go-
vernment felt a lively interest in the establishment of a
satisfactory arrangement, and a desire for a monthly com-
munication with our Australian colonies. (Hear. )
COMPENSATION FOR PRICE OF COMMISSIONS.
Mr. RICH brought under the notice of the house the
heavy charge and serious consequences that may ensue from
grants to the widows of officers killed in action, as compen-
sation for the price of the commissions which their husbands
may have purchased. He complained that when, on the
occasion of his making a motion relative to the sale and pur-
chase of commissions in the army, on Tuesday last, he had
been counted out, the bell had not been rung, as was the
rule. However, he promised that he would next year bring
forward the question of these purchases and sales, and show
that the system was worn out, and injurious to the service,
and that it could be abolished without adding to the public
expense. He understood that the Government proposed
to grant a sum of money equivalent to the price of the
commission ; but he could not gather from the explanation
given by the noble lord whether that equivalent should be
given to officers only who had purchased their commissions,
or whether it was to be given to officers generally. The
house was bound to consider the question as involving a
new principle and involving a great expense. He did not
see how the noble lord could confine these grants to officers
killed in action, or how he could exclude officers who died
of their wounds, or officers who hadbeen seriously wounded
and came home, or those who died of exposure, who were
frozen, or struck by the sun. (Hear.) He did not see
how these officers could be excepted from the benefit of
this arrangement. Then it would be dangerous to draw
such a line of demarcation between officers who purchased
their commissions and those who did not. He begged the
noble lord at the _head of the Government to give some
explanation on this question.
Mr. HE A.DLAM said that this was a proposal which
originated from a motion of his, and though he did not
think the Government proposal was as fair to officers as
it should be, he was glad they had done something. He
had received more than one application from the friends
of deceased officers, and it was due to them that the deci-
sion of the Government should be at once made known.
Lord PALMERSTON said that the arrangements
which his noble friend the Secretary of War contemplated
were being put into shape, and there was found great diffi-
culty in carrying them into operation equitably. He
could assure hon. members that no unnecessary delay
would be permitted in forming the general orders on this
subject. (Hear.)
Lord W. GRAHAM asked the Under-Secretary of
War whether the regulation for the compensation to offi-
cers for the loss of their horses had been amended ? He
found that some officers of the highest rank received SW.
eath for the loss of their chargers, that a colonel received
351, a major 27i., and a lieutenant 231. He should have
thought that a uniform sum for the loss of chargers would
be the fairest plan. Then he found that General Penne-
father received 14 guineas for the loss of a hack, whilst
Lieutenant Hopkins only received IL 10s. for the loss of

In answer to Colonel KNOX, •
Lord PALMERSTON said it was intended to increase
the soldier's pay while he was in the field by the rate of 6d.
a day, with facilities afforded to him, as in the navy, to
send the money to his friends.
THE WOUNDED BEFORE SEBASTOPOL.
Mr. STAFFORD called the attention of the Government
to a letter from an army surgeon, which appeared in the
columns of a contemporary, detailing instances of great ne-
glect in the preparations made in the field hospitals for the
reception of the wounded in the attack on the 18th. He
asked whether the Government meant to take any steps in
consequence of this letter ?
Mr. PEEL read a letter from Dr. Hall, detailing the
preparations that were made for the care of the wounded
on the morning of the 18th, and how well they worked.
This was a contradiction to the allegations contained in the