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TUESDAY EVENING, MARCH 23, 1852.

wished the House to go on_ with certain other rues-
sures whiche they thought were likely to be carried by
majority.—(Hear, hear.) He, however, did not refuse
to grant a vote of supply, nor did he then wish the
House to come to any resolution to limit
the supplies to a given period, and the
Government was ultimately allowed to take till Friday
to determine what course they should pursue.—(Hear,
hear.) Accordingly, on Friday night, the Right Hon.
,
Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer in this
Howe, and the Noble Lord at the head of
the Government in the other House, announced
the determination which the Government had come to;
but he understood the Noble Lord did not complain of a
question being put to him on the subject by Lord Beau-
mont; and the Noble Lord, without any of that reserve
which characterised the statement of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, stated that although he was not prepared te
advise a dissolution on any particular day in April, May,
or June, yet ho should be ready, when the pressing
business cf the moment was disposed of, to advise
an immediate dissolution of the present Parliament,
with a view to the Parliament being again assembled
before the close of the year.—(llear, hear.) It ap-
peared to him that the statement was so far sa-
tisfactory that he thought, as matters now
stood, it was most desirable that the House
should consider at once the military an,
naval estimates, and if possible vote them without ales
delay.—(Hear, hear.) There was another class of esti-
mates which, perhaps, it would be necessary to delay foe
the purpose of discussion, but all things considered
and looking to the agitated state of the country, it
would be he felt for the public convenience that
no obstacles should be thrown in the way of
speedy dissolution, and that the estimates should be
voted at once,—(Bear, bear.) There was only one other
measure which the exigencies of the public service
would require them to pass, and that was the
Militia Bill, which be should be glad to see brought in,
though as to that it would be requisite that some little
latitude should be allowed for discussion.—(Bear,
hear.) With respect to all the other mea-
sures which Government might bring forward, 01
course they would bring them forward upon the un-
derstaeding that it would be open to the House to post-
pone them until a future session, and setting those
meatuses aside, he should propose, with regard to the
estimates, that another day should be given up each
week to orders of the day, those of the Government
having precedence of all others.—(Hear, hear.) ill
thought Thursday would be a convenient day for that
purpose. (Hear, hear.) There was another -
subject upon which ho wished to ask
a question of the Right Honourable Gentleman
the Secretary of State for the Home Department. He
understood there was to be an inquiry as regarded the
Board of National Education in Ireland, but the Right
Hon. Gentleman said he did not purpose that the in,
quiry should take place this session, though it
was intended to make some alteration in the
present system.—(Hear, hear.) Now, his Noble Friend
Lord Lansdowne was of opinion that if any alteration
was to be introduced which should have the effect of
destroying the combined plan of education, and render.
ing it separate, would be a serious evil, as it would
break up the system which hitherto had been so sucoessi
ful of bringing Roman Catholics and Protestants te-
gether.—(llcar, hear.) If, in fact, there was to be any
separation introduced it would gire rise to those secta-
rian animosities which the system was intended to neu.
tralise, and he therefore hoped that no such step es that
which ho had referred to was in contemplation.—(tJeae.)
Mr. WALPOLE thought he had intimated on Friday
last what the views of the Cabinet were with reference
to the distribution of the grant this year.—(Hear,
hear.) It was not proposed to make any
alteration in the mode in which the grants were distrie
bated until an inquiry had been made and a Committee
appointed for the purpose; and he stated in answer to
the Honourable Member for Middlesex, that it
was not intended to substitute the separate principle
for the combined system of education as now established
iu Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) The object of the inquiry
would be to see if the grants paid with Tee: since
to education in Ireland could be, if possible,
so distributed as to give satisfaction to certain other
parties in Ireland, and amongst others he had no hesitv.-
tion in saying the member of the Established Church—
(Beer, hear)—who certainly do not partake of these
grants now.—(Hear.) It was however not intended to
disturb the combined system of education, though it was
thought some alteration could be made in detail, so as to
make the grants available to all parties.—(gear.)
Lord JOHN RUSSELL—Do you propose to make
that alteration this year?—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. WALPOLE thought he had answered that
question distinctly. They did not wish to make any
change which should make the combined system the
exception, and not the rule.—(Hear, hear.) He would
take that opportunity of making one observation in
reply to a speech made on Friday by the Hon. Member,
for Middlesex. He understood the Honourable Gen-
tlem in to say that the Lord- Lieatenent had,
selected his chaplains es much as possible from
those members of the Church who were known to
be opposed to the national grant; he had now authority
to state that the first even gentlemen appointed were
known to be in favour of the grant, while all of
them had been appointed from an impression,
that the purity of their lives, and sincerity of their con-
victions, would render their appointments highly satis-
factory.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. B. OSBORNE entirely coincided as to the
course to be taken in supply with the
Noble lord, and had the Right Honourable the
Chancellor of the Exchequer been as exelicit as his
Noble Colleague on Friday night, he should not have
attempted to delay the Ruppii„. But with reference to
the course about to be pursued by the Government on the
subject of national education in Ireland, he must say the
explanation of the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite was
most unsaisfactory.—(Hear, hear,) It appeared to him,
indeed, that Government was going to play the same game
with the Protestants of Ireland and this country that
the Protectionists.—(Hear, were playing with (Hear, hear.)
The Gentleman's answers, in fact,
were ig x
Ho said they did not intend to
ie‘t,';et honourablee
extremely
evasiv
e.
alter the system, and yet they proposed to make
such a change in the grant 133 to render it satisfactory-
to the Established Church. Now, the only way
to make it satisfactory to the Established
Church
abolition, and he, there-
fore,much apprehension the pro-
posed pose viewedd
alteration.—alear, hear.) The only way
to give
satisfaction to the Established Church was to
wtsithtot al
sweep away the entire system, and he hoped the House
would be cautious how it sanctioned any change.
He hoped both the question of education and that of
free-trade would be brought on at an early period of
the ensuing session.
VOLUNTEER RIFLE CORPS.
On the motion for going into Supply,
Sir DE LACY EVANS moved the following resolu-
tion:—" That, in the opinion of this House, it is incon-
sistent, on the part of 'the Government, to propose an
augmentation, however sloe, of the armed and paid
forces of the country, while they, at the very same
time, refuse, and in dine discountenance and dis-
courage, the highly laudable, patriotic, and chivalrous
offers of gratuitous service from various ores of the
kingdom, having for their object the formation of
rifle companies and regiments for the national defence."
He thought that when a public impulse in favour of
!' forming volunteer bodies of militia developed itself the
Government ought not to delay expressing their opinion
upon the subject. If the Government availed themselves
of this noble and patriotic feeling there would,
perhaps, be no necessity for a militia, or
for any increase in the regular army. A
great dissatisfaction and apprehension had been occa-
sioned in cense quence of a letter addressed by the Home
Secretary in reference to the services offered by a
volunteer body of the metropolis. He hoped the Go-
vernment would take the earliest opportunity of stating
they had no distrust in the people, but on the
contrary, appreciated the motives which actuated them.
Mr. HUME, in seconding the motion, took the op-
portunity of saying that he had heard with satisfaction
the statement of the Noble Lord, that it was not his in-
tention to interrupt or to stop the supplies. He thought
they ought to afford every facility to the Govern-
ment to obtain the supplies absolutely neces-
sary before a dissolution could take place. Ile
heard the observations of the Noble Lord with re-
gard to the militia with Very great surprise, and he
could only attribute them to an ignorance of the general
opinion entertained by the people on the subject.
Nothing, in his opinion, but immediate necessity would
warrant a conscription in the country. lie trusted the
Government would reconsider the question before they
proceeded with the Militia Bill.
Mr. FOX MAULE said the Government intended to
develops their scheme of militia on Monday, and he
would then give
,it his patient consideration, though
without pledging a himself to any particular course.
He thought volunteers might be a very good secondary
three, but he objected to trust alone to them as a de-
fence to the country.
Sir H. IL INGLIS was glad to hear that the Noble
Lord did not intend to oppose the votes in supply, and he
hoped he and his party would show a little more forbear-
ance than they did on Friday night.—(Hesr.)
Mr. BRIGHT did not hear whether Lord J. Russell
extended his support to the Militia Bill. Now as that
measure would create great discussion in the House and
the country, he would propose that the Government put
the Bill on the table after expressing their views upon it,
and tbsn allow it to remain there as one of those subjects
of general policy,which was to be left to the decision of
the People- The establishment of a militia was pecu-
liarly a question for the discussion of constituents. Ite
in
was exceedingly unjust to the country, except
case of emergency, to settle so important a question
when tho Rouse was iu a state of disorgaweetiou
• con,cquertt upon the approaching dissolution. He there
fore trusted that the Noble Lord did not give the Go-
vernment the slightest expectation that he would be pro-
pared to assist them in carrying such a measure this
session.
Lord
Sir JOHN TYRRELL observed that the Noble _
bad come to his senses since Friday night, and had
found he was mistaken in his effort to t. eilarge the basis
of his opposition. He had endeavoured t o act upon a
oat and dog principle—of isterin
neither edmin Faffairs
bite telf nor permitting any one else to do so. £he Go-
one that
verntnent had to encounter two oppositions, the
met at Chesham-place, and the other to which the lion.
.11?rab(r for Manchester belonged; the ono hp would

call the broad-bottomed opposition, and the other
the broad-brimmed opposition. (Loud laughter.)
A great public actor, a Mr, Keeley, en-
tirely expressed his sentiments on the position of
affairs when he said, in a new farce, Are you in a
hurry ? lam not in a hurry—great folks are never in
a hurry—the Government is not in a hurry."—( A laugh.)
Now he hoped the Government was not in a hurry.—
(Laughter.) They were neither afraid of the Opposi-
tion nor of a dissolution.
Mr. RICARDO wished to know whether the Go-
vernment had any intention of reversing the policy upon
the navigation-laws which was adopted in 1848?
Mr. HERRIES explained that there had been somo
misapprehension ets' to what he had stated on the
.subject. What he said was that he saw with great
regret the difficulty, if not actual impossibility,
of reversing the policy which he believed
was most unadvisedly pursued in 1848. That opinion
he distinctly expressed at the time the emetinent was
passed and still entertained ; bat if he were asked
whether it was practicable to propose any remedy to
Alleviate the distress which the repeal of the navigation-
.alvs had produced,:i.ho should say that he believed that
come such course might be adopted.
Mr. LA BOUC HERE viewed this speech as a funeral
oration over his old opinions.
Mr. G. F. YOUNG denied that the shipping interest
was in a state of prosperity.
Mr. BROWN had not, like the gentleman who last
addressed the House, confined his calculations to the
award entries. He had taken the tonnage inward and
mtward.—(Hear, hear.) In 1844 it amounted to
691,680 tons, and in 1851 to 8,535,252 tons.—
;Hear, hear.) What was still more remlikable wry,
_hat in February last the British tonnage increased by
37,000 tons, whilst the foreign increased on'y 10,003
,ions.—(Flear, hear.)
Mr. HUDSON begged to call the attention of the
House to a petition which he had the honour to present
`corn the shipping interest of Sunderland, and which
complained that, though they prosecuted their business
n ship-building, they were suffering from loss and de pres-
ion.—(Laughter from the Opp 4iition.) It might look odd
co gentlemen not engaged in commercial pursuits, but it
lid occur that persons in business were often obliged to
tarry on even at a loss, in the hope and expectation that
matters would improve. It would rejoice those gentle-
nen very much it they had an assurance from the pre-
sent Government that they contemplated some measure
if relief.
Mr. MITCHELL hoped that the light dues would be
.or the future paid by the public purse.
Mr. NEWDEGA rE could not avoid auguriug from
cur present system the utter ruin and decline of the
.;rest shipping interest.
Mr. E WART thought the present state of things was
most prosperous, and he instanced the port of Liverpool
is exemplifying in its returns the great advances which
'mach year made over the other. He did not, however,
deny that the shipping interest might be beneficed, but
she best method_of doing that would be in his opinion to
lower the timber duties.—(Hear, bear.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER con-
gratulated the House upon the announcement of
the Honourable Member for Montrose that there
would be no further opposition to the granting of sup-
plies, and he was also pleased to hear from the Noble Lord
the leader of the combined opposition that there would be
no further obstruction to the progress of public business.
—(Cheers.) The Noble Lord was quite correct
in attributing to the Government an anx-
ious desire for the speedy dispatch of public
business, and they were also equally as anxious
that a recurrence to the sense of the country should
take place as soon as the necessary measures for the ser-:
vice of the country had been adopted, and those measures
placed before the House which her Majesty's Govern-
ment thought it fit should be pasoad,.before the present
Parliament was broken up.—(Cheers.)

After a few words from Mr. WA WN' , in reply to Sir
DE LACY EVANS,
Mr. WALPOLE (who was indistinctly heard in the
gallery) was understood to say that, probably, the Hon.
And Gallant Gentleman was aware that the late Go-
vernment sanctioned, in several instances, the formation
of volunteer corps, subject to some conditions. The
first was that they should arm, and equip themselves at
their own expense; and, secondly, that they should hold
themselves subject to all the provisions of the volunteer
corps. Their arms should be of similar calibre and bore
to those of the ordnance. He hoped the Hon. and Gal-
lant Gentleman would excuse him when he declined to
go into the question of the militia corps. Perhaps the
Llousc would give him credit when he said that the
principal reason why ho wrote this letter, submitting
that the formation of these corps should be suspended,
was in order that he might ascertain the opinion of Par-
liament in reference to the measure. He ,hoped he
would be excused for not going into the measure before
the period arrived fur introducing the Bill; but he could
assure the Hon. and Gallant Gentleman that nothing
was farther from the intention of her Majesty's Minis-
ters than to discountenance the formation of these corps.
Sir DE LACY EVANS having expressed his antis-
faction at the assurance given by the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman, N ithdrew his amendment, and the House went
into Committee of
SUPPLY.—THE ARMY.

Mr. BERESFORD said the first vote which he would
submit was that of 3,602,0671., to defray the mainteuance
of her Majesty's hind forces, which was an increase of
80,9971. over the sum voted last year. The vote passed
last Friday for the number of men (101,937) being an
increase of 3,223 over the number voted last year, ren-
dered an increase of expenditure necessary in the pre-
sent estimates. In the estimates of last y.ar the charge
for the land forces was 3,.521,0701., and in the present es-
timates it amounted to 3,602,0671., being an increase of
80,9971. Tnis increase might be briefly explained as
follows:—lncreased charge of rank and file amounting
to 56,6601.; for annual allowances, 2,809/.; for extra-
ordinary expenses of egency, 3271., and for clothing
7,7551., making a total of 67,5511. But there was on the
other hand, a decrease on account of the number of
offi,!ers of 5,339/., and of non commissioned officers of
7,3061., total, 12,645/ ; which deducted from the in-
crease, left a sum of 54,906/, increase. There was, be-
Aides, an increase for levy money of 20,000/., and for
field allowances, mainly attributed to the Kstir war, of
11,000/, which raised the increase to 86,000/, but which
was reduced to 81,0001 by a decrease of 5,000/ on some
other smeller items. The vote he now proposed to the
House was 3 602,067/. for the charge of the land forces.
Mr. WILLIAMS said he was not prepared to offer
any opposition to the passing of the vete.
The vote was then agreed to.
Mr. BERESFORD said the next vote was that of
169.607/. for the main;eaance of staff offioers.
Mr. ALCOCK said notwithstanding many Members
of the present Government were his personal friends, he
should yet take that opportunity of expressing his want
of confidencein them, as also his disapprobation of the
course pursued by them up to the present aliment.. He
was by no means satisfied with the declaration of the
Governmenc-atid he had no confidence in their declare-
tton, The es, duty they had heretofore been asking
upon foreign corn would be utterly useless, acid would
be unworthy the acceptance of the farmers. It was an
utter delusion to say that such a duty would confer any
benefit upon the landed interest. The object of this
si. duty was only to .get in the sharp point of the
wedge; for they thought that they could afterwards
reise it 10.3._eire.154. He complained that the
Protectionists were not sincere in their professions,
and he also complained that the Free-traders were
not sincere; because they did not compel the Go-
vernment to state unequivocally their policy upon
this subject, before they appealed to the country.
If they waited for six mouths longer, they most
prebably would have an abundant harvest, and the Pro-
tectionists might then- have some better materials to
work upon than they had at present. It he were asked
to belong to the Anti. Corn-law League he would refuse;
but. if there were an anti-corn-tax league established he
would have no hesitation in joining it. He urged upon
Free-traders the propriety of at once stopping the
supplies.
Mr. F. ;MULE availed himself of the opportunity of
addressing a few observations to the Right Hun. Gentle-
man the Secretary at War upon the •subject that was
then before them. The Committee that sat last year
and the year before. upon the army expenditure recom-
mended that there should he only one medical establish-
ment for the whole army, instead of two, as existed at
present—namelY, • one for the army and one for the
ordnurlce, When he was in the War Office he con-
sulted the head of the army medical departincnt oa the
subkct, and that gentleman said that, as far as he
could see, there Waiilo _difficulty in adopting the pro-
position. He (Ur. F. Maule) understood that the
Right Hon. Gentleman who had succeeded him in the
office he lately held had directed the appointment of a
joint committee of army and ordnance officers to consi-
der this question. He was not aware that this com-
mittee had as yet reported upon the matter; but he was
_ l
sure that such an arrangement as was recommended, i
adopted, would be not only economical, but convenient
to the soldiers generally.
the
Mr. BEREeFOR,I) said that he had consideredt
recommendations of the committee with theut.eturors
at-
tention. In respect to the one immediately route dmo.
to,
he was informed that the committee
wasl at e l
ment sitting upon the subject.H
ewcoo eration.ud give that re-
port, when it was drawn up, his bast nsid
the forces in their
Mr. MACGREGOR thought thatt
bt, reduced to a few
North American colunies•migl
and loyalty that at
small garrisons.. The tranquillityvere, be thought, owing
n those celestes been to them by
present existed
had been gi
to the constitution which
the Noble Lord the Member for London when ho was se-
cretary T the, Earl of Derby, how.
colottess.
of those
ever. v.,s due the rebellion is Canada, and to Earl Grey
the Kafir war.
agreed to.
The vote was then
95,957/• for allowances to the principal officers of the
their deputies,
departments, clerks, and
several public
oontiogent exPeknsenl. 1 Military C
le• for the 3 - ege.
17,14
17,536 •
1 for thu Reyal Military Asylum and the Hi-
bernian Military School.
stooo/. for the volunteer corps.
15.6431. for allowances to officers of her Majesty's
garrisons, at home and abroad, holding their appoint-
ments as rewards for military service, but to which no
efficient military duty attaches.—Agreed to.
On the vote 61,000/ for the pay of gt mrel officers in
her Majesty's forces, not being colonels of r, ginientg•
being proposed,
Mr. HUME slid it was stated by the late Government
that they intended to draw away their troops from Ca-
nada. .He wishel to know whether the troops had been
withdrawn, and if so, to what extent?
Mr. BERESFORD eaid that there 'was no rcducticn
Whatever in the staff of Canada since last year.
The vote was-then agreed to.
50,000/. being the charge of full pay for reduced and
retired officers of her Majesty's forces,
365,000/. for half-pay and military allowances to re-
duced and retired officers of her Majesty's land forces.
36,9164 fOr halt pay and reduced alloworas to officers

of disbanded foreign corps, of pensions to wounded fo-
reign officers, and of allowance. to Ebb widows and chil-
dren of deceased foreign officers.
119,3371. for pensions to be paid to widows of officers
of her Majesty's land ftircei.
83,0001. for allowances on the compassionate list of
allowances as of her Majesty's royal bounty. and of
pensions, gratuities, and allowances to officers for
wounds.—Agreed to.

On the voce 28,8151. for Chelsea and lidraainham
Hospitals being proposed,

Mr. GROGAINT wished to call the attention of the
Government to the di,cuasions that took place last year
upon this subject. He perceived that a considerable re-
duction had been made in the number of pensioners iu
Kilmainham Hospital. That, he believed, resulted in
consequence of a lhter written by the former Secretary
at War (Mr. F. Maule). The subject was one of greet
interest and importance to the ciriz na of Dublin, and to
the army serving iu Leland. The late. Government
were, he believed, most anxious that this institution
should be abolished, and if the letter to which he had
referred WRB not recalled, the hospital would soon be
rut an end to. His otj,ct now was to obtain a promise,
if he could, from the present Government that that
establishment would be kept up. In sayirg so much
he bilieved that he was but speaking the sentiments of
every Irish Memh-r in that House, who concurred in
deprecating the system of central:zstion which charac-
terised the policy of the late Government.
Mr. BERESFORD said that this subject had engaged
his attention bhure he bad the honour of being con-
nected with the •Government. Ile aeltnowl,dged ibat
his nationality had greatly irdlueneed his vote un former
occasions in oppOsieg the einrts made by the tato Go-
vernment thabulish ijilmainham Hospital. But now
that he was Secretary at War he did not think that he
would be quite justified in going against the rreota
meudation 01 that House in dechmag to adopt she eau.
mate as be found it. He only wished he had the power
'now of recaling the letter which had been written by
the former Secretary at War upuu the subject. Ha din
not think he could give any tui tour explanation upon the
subject.

Kir. P. MAULE was glad to hear that the Right Hon.
Gentleman intended to adopt the recoulaseu atiou ot
the House upon this subj‘-ct. Tne question ha,i been
discussed more than once, and it bad been telly inquired
into by a Committee-that sal sat mute than two j b.
They came to tee decided opietou shot the two esesb-
lishineuts were unnecessary for the service ut toe army.
Lie ceuldnasily believe wet Irishmen might feel teet)
what sore at, the reduciiou ot such WI ‘stsuitseusee: ;
but at the some time it might be devuteu to some
other public ,purpose in Ireland tar inure use,ui I, •
the Irish. people than it at present was. It was
proposed to convert it to the purpose ut au artttlery fen -
rack. He Confessed it was the object of tea late Gee
verumeut, neither more nor less, time to du isesy
else
it altogether. The letter when no had writtto tia tut`
subject was-for the purpose or preventing the vusucit,
as they occurred in the hospital being tilled up. The
late Government intended that there 14101113 be only one
establishineUL fur the retired soldiers of toe army. fie
was informed that, even if he had not written that, letter,
the nuaiberin the hospitsl would nicessarily have beau
reduced, Intel the circumstance of these beteg no
akpii-
cations from pensioners to get into it.
The CHANCELLOR or the EXCHEQUER could
assure 'the Hon. 'Member- for Dublea he (pee sympa-
thised with him in the view he tonk ot this subject. Ii
was, howeverolonsidered desirable, under present cir-
nenastences,- tnat no alteration should be made in the es-
titnatea of their-predecessors; but he did not wish the
Hon. Member to understand that the Government were
opposed- reeousideration- ot the question. The
question would ;be reconsidered in a fair and candid
spirit, whether the Government could, consistently with
their viewielake eitch's course es would have the Effect
of continuing Kilmainhem Hospital fur the purposes for
which it was originally establisbed.—(flear.)
Mr. HU VIE was sorry to hear such a statement from
the Right, Hon. Gentleman; for if any,question met with
geaerad unentwity it was that regarding the propriety of
abolishing this hospital, It was quite unnecessary for
'the Right Hon. Gatleniaii to Make such en observatiou
as bad just fallen from him. He hoped that b.-eore the
Government would reconsider the recommendation that
they -had come to on the subject, they would first inquire
whether there was any evidence that could set asiuu the
strong facts that had already been laid before them.
Colonel DUNNE said he was certain that the people
of Dublin would be most happy at hearing the Cede.
cellur of the Exchequer declare that the question wuuld
be reconsidered. I‘l,..tbieg could be more unpopular in
Ireland than the attempt to remove this hospital, oecause
.it was unjust. He could assure the Right Lion. Gentle-
man opposite (Ur. F. Maule) that there were several
-pensioners moat anxious to enter the hospital. As an
Irishman and a soldier be felt grateful to the Chancellor
of the Exchequer fur saying that the Government in-
tended to reconsider this question.—(Hear.)
Sir IL W. BARRON. said the observation of the
Right Hoh. GWatlercan the Chancellor of the Exchequer
undoubtedly give great satisfaction to the
Irish
people. cointileite-d of the unanimity which gene-
rally existed atnuegst the English and Scotch Members
to deprive: Ireland of everything that was of advantage
to her.
Mr. FORBES disclaimed for himself having ever been
influenced by such a teeing,
Ars 144.11 E begged to contradict the Hon. Gentleman
as tar, nit be was individually concerned, and challenged
him to mention one instance in which he had given
vote against the interests of Irelind.
Colonel FREEST UN wished to ask his Hon. and Gal-
lant Friend whether he- intended to- renew his annual
motion respecting the uuitorm and accoutrements ut the
army ?

Colonel DUNNE said, as a member of the (.4overia
mew, he mind not give ens promise on the subject.—
(Trollied Owens )
Mr. W. W AMS having made a brief observatioe,'
. Tne vote was egreed
,to;
1.226,8Q31. ter out7Petisioecirs of Chelsea Hospital fOr
peueiout granted •$o discharged urgro soldiers ; for p'en-'
inviter's feoixt the P
.flatu+v,4latt cur asi=eved h
1
the'Britiih 4rtny iu 1793, 1794, and 1795, tsud fur the.
military organizstiou of out-peubiositrs in the Uuiteu
Kingdom.—Agreed to.
37,500/. for allowances, compensations, and etnolu-
men,s, tit the nature of. etteetauuwitioa or retired at-
lowanpeN to peewee formerly t elonging to the several
putfi tieMinci•iita.ligreed to.
Qa tee question that the report be received,
Mr. HORSMA.N rose to a.k et qariou in reference
,
to theolitina with, which the troops were supplied,
Ms, BURESFORD.said that the quentiou of arms
applied more to the'Ordnance department than to his.
The report was then ordered to be received.
Sir G. PEOHELL said that they were now' about to
propose 3 vote for the
Mr. BERNAL (interrupting) informed the Hon. and
Gallant Dleinber that attire waste> actual question before
NAVY -ESTIMATES.
be . , that 134633/
On the questiongranted for the
salaries of the officers of the Admiralty-office,
Sir G..PEGam,L said, in all his experience during
17 or 18 years ot the v tea upon the navy estimates, he
had never known so largo and important an estimate
brought forward for the navy without some explanation
being offered as to the administrative affairs of that de-
partment.. He congrataleted the officers of the navy
generally upon the appointment to the head of the Ad-
miral!y of an officer of itwit: diatteguished talent as the
Duke of Northumberland, and he trusted that he would
carry out the views he had always entertained on behalf'
of the service. Be also highly eulogised the services of
Admiral. Sir H. Parker during the late war. With re-
gard to the future naval policy of the new Government,
he wished to have had some explanation. Did they
mean to keep up the. African squadron in its preseLt
efficieneyi or did they mean to withdraw it? In what
way did they mean to carry out the promotion in the
navy in future? Did they intend to carry out the policy,
of the late Government with respect to the
entry of cadas? He complained, of the" indirect in-
fleetiec.i' that always exercised in the naval de-
partnient with :regard to these appointments, and he
trusted the system would be "put an end to. With regard
to the system of earryirig Specie on board of men .of
war
to this country, he 'lied frequently complained of the
favouritism that was practised in this respect, and ev
au
strong remonstrances had been made by. the *axle
Go-
vernment regarding the manner in which this was ond
foe
of
specie
Sines 1819 he found, that no less a sum than 1 454,50.11.,
had been paid,by the public for-the coonv(e?
,5 1 f athat. sum had
froth (broad to thienouritry; to admirals
:3.6t3i0',32851.where it was
been paid so captains of ships, and
and commodores on the severs a
v gave Greenwich Hospital
ethbarked.' 'NeP4I; eifikthwes'' 191nd—natnelk. a fourth,
hrthe,sum to, -r 3 e.d in left of 1,0m95e,n5706ul
the
363,5251., there would be odeu
the gentlemen
would be available ad a Nu.
'and for forincre!tstegth e payg and pensions of
re-
tired list,
naval officers who had distinguished themselves. With
regard to ta Invasion,
s-nationneither he nor his consti-
tuents had much to fear ot it. HeobjtehceEri mekk, Lisa of
objected to any fur-
ther grants for such a purpose—let
what they had got. Some years ego they were told they
ought to have a fleet at the Nore end another P„rts-
moutb,
at orts-
mouth, and every effort was ma
de produc
the public wind, in order to enable the Government itno
o:10
pass increased Paties.
against soy vole fur additi,ne, however, protested
a national defences, and
hoped, before the vote was passed, some exoteealion
would be given of the naval policy of the new Govern-
ment.

Mr. A. STAFFORD assured the Hon. and Gallant
Gentleman and the Cernalitue that it was from uo die-
respect to them that be had not made any statemei.t
when the estimates were brought forward, but in
d, ferenee to the wishes of those who thought ter esti-
mates ought to be gone through as speedily us possible,
with a vies to the dissoluri .m(1 was so much de.
aired by the oilier side of the House. He deprica:ed
as !annoy as the Hon. sod Gallant Gentletton tne
system ot Parliamentary jobbing 'lusting in th, dock-
yards, and he hoped that
the sc, ps that were now being
taken wouli put an end to it. As regard-d !he A,ri,-an
squadron, it was, as well know'', a vexed and d.ffi..ult
question—if there was to be an African squadron at all
it must be an Effiuient one, or it would oo more harm
than good. Thu Board of Admiralty, however, bud
nothing to do with its continuance or discontinuance.
Respecting the system of nominating mints through
the iuflueuce of Duchesses and Marchionesses, us the
Honourable and Gallant °IR :ET termed it— that
would, in future, be strictly limited, and the
policy laid down by the late Government closely ad-
hered to. They were most desirous to keep down the
dead weight. and the only way to do it in that depart-
ment was to keep down the number of naval cadets.
regard to the conveyance of specie the evil was
remedying itself every day, as less came over in ships of
war every year. Seeing that the present Board had
been only about ten days in office, they could not in
-that time have accomplished any very extensive change; ;
but they were moat anxious to promote the due
economy
and and efficiency of every bread of the oral service.