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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT f be modified in committee.. He had
given notice of some
' amendmfients, one of which i educe the penalties 4>
those inflicted for the same offence in England.
Captain ARCHDALL said poachers in Ireland were
very different from those in England. Poaching in
Ireland was principally carried on by the sub inspectors of
police. (Laughter.)
The house divided, when there appeared—
For going into committee l5B
Against it

HOUSE OF COMMONS--Last Evening.
The SPEAKER took the chair at 12 o'clock.
BARNSTAPLE ELECTION COMMITTEE.

The following members were called to the table and
sworn as a committee to try the validity of the late return
for Barnstaple, viz, :—Sir F. Goldemid, Mr. Dunlop, Mr,
Humphrey, Mr. Howes, and Mr. S. Booth.
COUNTY FRANCHISE BILL.

Mr. LOCKE KING moved the second reading of this
bill, with respect to which he said there was such an unani-
mity of opinion amongst the leaders of the house. The
justice of the measure had also been admitted by
gentlemen who had for fi7a and twenty years ;been
recognised as party leaders in that house. There was
an urgent demand for an extension of the franchise, and
however it might be realised, a bill of a similar nature to
that now under their attention must pass. There had been
many attempts certainly to exteul the franchise, hut up to
the present time all endeavours to accDreplisa such a desir-
able object had failed. The bill of 1852 was the result of a
Government defeat—it attempted a compromise and
failed. Then again there were the bills of 1854 and 18f0,
which, also, were bath unsatisfactory. The bill of 1860,
which might be regarded as the bill of the noble lord
at the head of her Majesty's Government, had disap-
peared like a child—a child badly nursed—it had
never been allowed to take the air, it had never
been ventilated, and its disappearance had been un-
accountable. There was no new principle laid down in the
bill now under attention. There was nu novelty in it to
be urged for the first time, the principle had been admitted
in 1862, and the only question was whether the limit, which
in 1852 was fixed at £5O, should bo now restricted to £lO.
The present bill was not merely to add more members
to the electoral roll, but it proposed to allow enlarged
trade, increased intelligence, and a vast number of inte-
rests to be represented in that house, which were now
entirely shut out. Ile did not believe that the
bill would enlarge the county constituencies to
the extent it was said, viz., 250,000; but, even if it did, it
would only be doing that which was but common justice to
the increased intelligence of the ccunty constituencies. It
was said by all parties that a £5O qualification was t-o high,
and that a £lO one was too low; but both parties, he
maintained, were committed to that sum, and he thought
it was too late now to effect any compromise. The
house, he contended, was committed to reform by the
pledges of its leaders—(bear, hear)—and if it post-
poned or further delayed it, the house, he con•
sidered, would be lowering itself in the eyes of
the country. (Hear, hear.) Many of the members have

Majority
The house then went into committee and immediately
reported progress.

REGISTRATION OF COUNTY VOTERS (IRE.
LAND) BILL.
This bill passed through committee.
The other orders of the day were then disposed of and the
house adjourned.

SECOND EDITION.

bUN OFFI')E, HALF-PAST 4 O'CLOCK.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE—Ts Day.

NEWMARKET RACES.—Tars DAY.
(BY ELECTRIC TELEGRAPH,)
FIFTH BIENNIAL STAKES,

Sea King
Blue Mantle
Jarnicoton
3
Seven ran.
£5O HANDICAP PLATE.

Melrose
Faretra
Principal

Six ran.
SWEEPSTAKES OF 50 SOUS.

Bel Demonio
Beaver 2
Miss Whip filly
SWEEPSTAKES OF 20 SOVS.

Peignor
SWEEPSTAKES OF 25 SO VAS.

Tennyson
Rattle filly
Crippiegate
3
Five ran.

been elected solely on the cry of reform, and the present
Government had been placed in office solely to obtain re-
form or to do the best they could for it. He should like
to know whether chucking a bill on the table, and
getting it }rioted—(hear)—was doing all that could be

LATEST BETTING.
TWO THOUSAND GUINEAS.
100 to 40 agst Fille de l'Air (taken)
7to 1 agst Sir Roger (cfrered)
10 to 1 agst Historian (taken)
100 to 7 aget Paris (offered)
6to 1 agst Lord Glasgow's lot (taken)

done towards obtaining reform. (Hear, hear.) He felt
the time was come when it was absolutely necessary some-
thing should be done, and he accordingly begged leave co
move the second reading of the bill.
Mr. AUGUSTUS SMITH thought the measure a dan-
gerous and impolitic one, and therefore he should move the
previous question, as an amendment to the motion of the
hon. gentleman who had just sat down. The result of the
bill would be to swamp the town constituencies, whilst the
whole of:the present nomination boroughs, which amount
in number to about 66, would remain precisely as they
existed. That objection he should have thought would have
been quite sufficient to ensure the rejection of the bill, but
apart from that there were other and serious objections
why the measure should not receive the sanction of the
house

THE DERBY.
14 to 1 aget CattibUscan (taken)
300 to 6 agat Forager (offered—take 20 to 1)
25 to 1 agst Paris (offered)

ELECTION INTELLIGENCE.

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LANCASTER.

The election of a member for this borough in
place of Mr. W. .1. Garnett, who has resigned, took
place yesterday. There were two candidates for the
vacancy, Mr. Fenwick, Liberal, and Mr. Saunders,
Conservative. Mr. Somerville Head, of London,
was nominated on the previous day, but it was an-
nounced that this was only formal, and that he did
not intend to come forward till the general dissolu.
tion. The polling commenced yesterday morning
at eight o'clock. Great excitement prevailed in the
town, and all the principal streets were thronged
from morning till late at night. It is said that,
each party bribed pretty extensively, and the pricris
ranged from £5 to £lO and £l5 per vote. The
Conservatives were out-generalled by the Liberals.
It is remarkable that nearly all the Roman Catho-
lics of the town voted for the Liberal candidate.
About five o'clock the Mayor declared the result of
the voting. Several thousand persons were assem-
bled in front of the hustings. The result of the
voting at the close of the poll was thus announced
by the Mayor :
For Mr. Fenwick
For Mr. Saunders

Mr. KNIGHTLEY said the house was for about the
20th time engaged in a flat, stale, and unprofit-
able discussion which would lead to no practical
result, and ho believed had only been brought
forward by the hon. member opposite in order to give him-
self and his friends something to talk about at the next
general election. In his opinion the bill was neither a

liberal one nor a step in the right direction, but, on the
contrary, it was one opposed to all the fundamental prin-
ciples of reform ever laid down, and one that could not but
be productive of the most endless confusion. It was said
that the working classes, by their education and intelligence
were entitled to admission to the franchise. (Hear.) That
might be true in boroughs, for which the hon. member did
not propose to legislate, but it was not true in counties, to
which the provisions of the bill now under discussion solely
applied. It was said that the country gentlemen were not

the friends of the working classes, but if the division lists
were examined, it would be found that the Ten Hours Bill,
the Factories Bill, the Bleaching Works Bill, and many
other measures which mainly benefited and improved the
condition of the working class, have been carried by the
votes of the country gentlemen. He opposed the present
bill because he thought it would injure the rural districts.
Viscount ENFIELD thought that much embarrassment
was occasioned by discussion on this bill. He did not think
the measure would at all effect the object proposed. He
must say he was not prepared to vote for a £lO county fran-
chise, but one fixing it at.£2o should have his cordial support.
The late Lord Herbert was of opinion that that sum was the
proper stun to fix it at, sad he entirely subscribed to that
opinion. He wished to extend the county franchise, but
not degrade it; and although he could not approve of the

The MAYOR th.elared that Mr. Feawiek had been
duly elected.

Mr. FENIVICE: then returned thanks, and said
he should ever support the great principles of

liberality.

Mr. SAUNDERS also returned thanks. For about
ten minutes he could not be heard, the uproar being
perfectly terrific. Eventually he returned thanks
to his supporters, and said it was probable before
long that he and Mr. Fenwiek would be before them
again. Mr. Saunders then insinuated that the in-
fluence and friends of Mr. Gregson, the sitting
member, had been brought to bear against him. (A.
tremendous row here ensued; the screams, shouts,
and uproar were deafening.) Mr. Saunders, amid
all this uproar, said, Gentlemen, why the devil do
you interrupt me? It is not decent, it's disgrace..
ful. You, the Liberal gentlemen, ought to be
ashamed of yourselves; it is devilish unhandsome.
You have made the mob twice as bad as it would
have otherwise been." Mr. Saunders then proposed
a vote of thanks to the Mayor; after which he and
the Conservative party left the hustings amid hisses.
Mr. FENWICK seconded the motion, and it was
carried unanimously.
The proceedings ended amid uproar.

motion of the bon. gentleman who had moved the previous

question, he should in committee move that the qualiSca-

tion under the bill should ba £2O, instead of DO.
Lord R. MONTAGU opposed the bill.
Lord HENLEY regretted the bill had not been allowed
to pies the house without encountering such opposition,

because he looked upon it as a step in the right direction,

and on the whole beneficial. If the bill was rejected, ho
hoped the present discussion would be found of great ser •
vice in assisting the framing of a better and more general

measure.

Mr. NEWDEGATE said he should vote for the previ-
ous question, because the house was asked to take a leap in

he dark. He objected to the bill because in effect it pro •

posed a uniformity of franchise of both county and borough.
He represented a large number of 40s. freeholders, who, if
this bill passed, would be entirely swamped, together with

he tenant farmers. Ha, however, thought the people of
he country ought to have a fuller representation in that

house, but the way to accomplish that was not by bit-by-
bit reform, such as was proposed by this bill.
Mr. WARNER, although he did not approve of the bill
as it stood, thought it would be wise to allow it to go into

FIFE.

committee with a view to improving it. He should, there-
fore, vote for the second reading of the bill. After it had

DUNFERMLINE, Wednesday, 4 p.m.

At a meeting of the elEctors of Ducferm line held
this afternoon, Captain Thomson, the Conservative
candidate, announced his retirement from the con-
test. He stated that the odds were so decidedly
against him that there was no prospect of success.

passed that stage it could be referred to a select committee,
where the whole of its provisions could be minutely in-

quired into and discussed.
Mr. BENTINCK opposed the bill. He thought it
would destroy the representation of the counties as they
now exist. He appealed to representatives of the rural

constituencies to join in securing the rejection of the bill.
Mr. NEATE denied that the rural districts were not
properly represented in that house. He balievad that three-
fourths of the country was in the hands cf the !untied aris-

tocracy. He agreed with the noble lord who in the early
part of the debate expressed an opinion that £2O would be
the proper sum at which to fix the county franchise.

Mr. TREHEARNE, in a somewhat discursive first
speech, expressed an opinion in favour of a £2O franchise
for counties. He looked upon the present bill as merely an

attempt to revive a cry of reform on the eve of a general
election, with which certain persons might be enabled to
meet the country. He did not think there had been much

argument on the other side of the house in favour of the
bill, but there had been a great deal of begging the
qutstion.
Mr. PEASE highly approved of the bill, and expressed
his intention of giving it his most hearty support.
Sir J. WALSH said he believed there was no sincerity
at all in the support given to the bill by the opposite side
of the house, because scarcely any of the hon. gentlemen
who had expressed their intention of voting for the second
reading had done so without some sort of objection to the
measure. At the present time it seemed utterly unnec-
cessary to proceed with the subject, and therefore he hoped
the house would reject the motion for the second reading
of the bill.

Mr. COLLINS said ho had a motion on the paper for
the rejection of the bill altogether, but rather than put the
house to the trouble of two divisions he should vote for

the previous question. Ho thought the measure a mis-
chievous one, and one that only recPwed but a very quali-
fied support from its most ardent friends.

Lord PALMERSTON said he thought there might be
some advantageous change made in the county franchise,
but ho could not bring himself to vote for the £lO fran-
chise, as laid down in the bill of his hon. friend.
Therefore, in committee ho should not feel called upon to

support the proposition. The object of all parliamentary
change should be to procure an equal apportionment of the
trading and commercill and the agricultural interests. He
confessed it would.have been advisable not to have mooted

the question at present, as there was no desire for great and
organic changes other than those which had already been
effected. "What improvements had been made in the condition
of the country, which had been attendant on a liberal, com-
mercial, and political policy, had been effected by the Par-
liament as now constituted, and therefore the people of this
country did not seek any change in its constitution.
The house then divided, when there appeared—
Ayes
Noes
Majority
The bill was consequently lost.
TRESPASS (IRELAND) BILL.

On the motion for going into committee on this bill,
INlr. BAG WELL moved that the house resolve Rad:
into committee this dny six months.

Mr GORE and Mr DAWSON supported the motion for
going into committee.
Mr. BItIGIIT thought the bill would be attended with
the worst consequences in Ireland, and would only increase
the number of deadly encounters occasioned by the illegal
pursuit of gan:o. He therefore heped the house would
reject it.

Mr WHITESIDE, on the contrary, thought the measure
a very useful one, and likely to be of great service. He
therefore should support it.

Sir It. PEEL said he had assented to the second reading
of the bill on the understanding that its provisions should