The Sun.
London, England, 1852-06-22 00:00:00

IMPORT TABLES.

Mr. HUME observed that some delay had taken p lace in
laying the monthly returns of imports on the table of the
llouse, though he understood they had been laid before the
House of Lords. He was very anxious to understand the
cause of that delay from the President of the Board of
Trade.

Mr. HENLEY replied, that he was very glad to have this
opportunity of replying to the question of the Hon. M'mber
for Montrose. He had been extremely anxious to have a
distinction made in the returns between steam vessels and
sailing vessels, and the returns which had gone up to the
Lords without his knowledge were without the distinction to
which he alluded. He had kept the returns for the Com-
mons, that the steam and sailing vessels might be separated,
and that was the only reason why the delay had occurred.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.

A messenger from the Lords brought up the following
Bills, to which their Lordships had agreed :
Turnpike Trusts Arrangements.
Scotch Mills for Flax (Ireland).
Monmouthshire Railway and Canal.
Kingston-upon-Hull Dues and Docks, without amendment.
Eastern Union Railway.
Wedmore Road.
North-Western Railway.
Great Western Railway (No. 2).
Wycombe Railway, with amendments.
PATENT LAW.

Mr. B. COCHRANE wished to ask the Chancellor of the
Exchequer whether it was probable that the Patent Law
Amendment Bill would be passed this session? It was of
the utmost importance that a decision should be arrived at
immediately.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied, that
as the Bill had passed the Lords and a Select Committee of
the Commons, and as it was fixed for Committee early on the
paper, he had very little doubt it would become an Act of
Parliament this session.
CASE OF MR. MURRAY.

Lord D. STUART, in reference to the case of Mr. Mur-
ray, now lying under sentence of death at Ancona, wished to
ask the Government if they had received any intelligence
from Rome which led them to suppose their efforts in his be-
half would meet with any success? The petition of the Eng-
lish inhabitants of Rome, praying for the remission of Mr.
Murray's sentence, admitted his guilt, or at least threw no
doubt upon it; but he was induced to call the attention of the
Government to that question because he had received letters
from Italy from persons who stated their entire belief in his
innocence.

Lord STANLEY said that Mr. Murray was still confined
at Ancona, but that there was now every reason to hope that
his life would be spared. With regard to the question of his
guilt or innocence, that was one in which he could not give
any positive reply at this moment. Ho could only say that
both Sir H. Bulwer at Florence, and Mr. Moore at Ancona,
were using their utmost exertions to obtain such information
on the real facts of the case as might enable them, and
through them might enable the Government, to firm a
well-grounded opinion whether Mr. Murray were guilty or
orLwoordolaDUtaDkeL,Ealo-ySTmUeaAsßurTessatoidotbht
no. At present neither they nor the Government ware in
possession of sufficient information to enable them to decide
that point.
questioneainnexthte
to put—(Oh, oh)—was, whether the Government had taken,
Mr. Murray's trial, so as tenable public his
guilt the to judge of
proceedings
oa
nd
guilt or innocence?
Lord STANLEY must remind the Noble Lord that he was
now putting a question of which he had given no previous
notice whatever. The Noble Lord had given notice that he
intended to ask what information the
Government had re-
ceived respecting Mr. Murray's probable fate. To that
question he had replied ; and he could now only re peat
that Government were taking every means in their power to
get at the real facts of the case. Further than that he
could not say.---( Hear. )
ROMAN CATHOLIC PROCESSIONS.
Mr. COGAN observed, that it had been understood the
proclamation recently issued here against Roman Catholic
religious processions would not be published in Ireland, but
he had been informed it was published in the Dublin Ga-
zette. He wished to ask the Secretary of State for the Home
Department if such was the fact?
Mr. WALPOLE was not aware that the proclamation
had been published in the Dublin Gazette.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said if; was
always with great reluctance that he trenched upon the pri-
vileges of independent Members, but he now put it to the
House whether they would allow the Government to pro-
ceed to-morrow afternoon as well as in the morning with the
Government measures.—(Hear, hear, from both sides .of the
House.) On looking at the subjects which were to be
brought before the attention of the House to-morrow by
Hon. Members, he perceived that, though they were all of an
interesting, they were not of a very urgent, character. The
Hon. Member for Richmond (Mr. Rich) was to move for a
Select Committee upon the police force of England and Scot-
land ; then, the Hon. Member for Westbury (Mr. J. Wi Ison)
was to call the attention of the House to the position of the
sugar trade; and another notice stood in the name of the
same Hon. Member with respect to the trade of Sinde. Now,
these were not matters of a very urgent character.—(li ear.)
Although the Government were arranging the bu! mess
with a view to the consummation which was of all ti
iings
wished for— (Hear, hear, and a laugh)—there were certain
unavoidable accidents, like that of to-night, for instance,
and that of last Monday, which raised debates tending to
interrupt the course of business, but the importance of w hich
no one could question. The motions to which he alltrded,
however, were not, he must say, of that nature—(l ea r)
and he put it to the House. therefore, whether the Gov ern-
meet might not take the whole of Tuesday ?
Mr. HUME had a motion upon the paper for to-morrow,
but, being very anxious for the consummation alluded t a by
the Right Hon. Gentleman, be should give it up.
Mr. RICH said his observations in moving for a Commit-
tee would only take five minutes— (Oh, oh
)_but was ul ader-
stood to add, that if it was the wiashr of the House he Mould)
not occupy their time.—(Hear
Lord J. RUSSELL said the Member for Wes tbury
(Mr. Wilson) was not present, but the Hon. Member e Amid,
ee under the circumstances, to with-
he was quite sure, agr ,
draw his motion.
Mr. V. SCULLY, in order tofacilitate the progress of
public business, (oh oh I and l
aaughter) hd to ask
e
the Right Hon. Gentleman Bill
question. He found on the
notice-paper that evening a Bill called the Irish Valreation
Bill, and no less than 69 amendments were to be proposed.
Now, it was a Bill to set aside all previous valuations in
Ireland, and to introduce a new system ; and, seeing that
very few Irish
• Members were in town, he thought the pre-
sent was no time to butt
d. He (Mr. V. Scully)
had abstained from putting any of his amendments sit all
upon the paper ; but, if the Bill proceeded, he should feel it
his duty to propose some amendments and to make stome
short observations. (Laughter.) He wished to know
whether it was the intention of the Right Hon. Gentle man
to persevere with that Bill, the discussion of which, he was
ure, would delay for two days the end of the session?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, after the
menacing observations of the Hon. Gentleman, should cer-
tainly pause, and if he had reason to believe that the 69
amendments would be pressed, and that two additional days
would be thereby lost, he should not press the Bill. The
Hon. Member for Colchester (Mr. Hardcastle) had a motion
on the paper for to-morrow night, on the subject of church-
rates, and he should like to have his opinion as to its post-
ponement.
Mr. BRIGHT said the Hon. Member was not present, but
he should certainly urge him not to proceed with his
motion.—(Hear, hear.)
COMMITTEE OF COUNCIL ON EDUCA-
TION.—THE MANAGEMENT CLAUSES.
On the motion that the Consolidated Fund (Appropria-
tion) Bill as amended be considered,
Lord J. RUSSELL (who spoke in a low tone of voice,
and was but imperfectly heard) said—lt has been usual,
when the votes befoforreth th
Government e House in Co
tommgive exp laittee of Sna-
up-
ply are taken; e
tions with respect to the vote for education, and my
Hon. Friend the Member for Dumfriee (Ur. Ewart)
has more than once called on the. Government to ex-
plain to the House what has been the progress of educa-
tion, and the nature of the votes connected with educa-
tion. My Right lion. Friend the Member for Northum-
land (Sir G. Grey), when he held the office of Secretary of
State for the Home Department, made that statement to the
House, and last year, during his absence in consequence of in-
disposition, I stated to the House the sum required, the ap-
plication intended to be made of it, and the general progress
of education during the year. I understand that in the pre-
sent year the vote has been taken without any particular
explanation having been given, and this circumstance is the
more remarkable as a minute has been issued of very consi-
derable importance on the subject of what are called the
management clauses. When I took the opportunity, a few
days ago, of calling the attention of the House to the altera-
tion made in those clauses, the minute had not then been
placed upon the table of the House, and I stated that I
thought it would have been better, considering the import-
ance of this subject, if the Government had taken further
time to deliberate, and had not, after such deliberation, pro-
posed till
"next year any change. The Right Hon. Gentle-
man opposite (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) then stated
that there was no intention on the part of the Government
to act otherwise than according to the ordinary course on
such occasions; he quoted several precedents to show that
miuutes had been agreed upon which were not laid imme-
diately upon the table of the House ; and he declared that
nothing at all unfair or dishonourable was intended towards
the House. Now, I am quite willing to
the question as it stands; I don't wish to revive that part of
it. 'The Right Hon. Gentleman stated
what I have said,
and I accept his declaration that he did not intend to
apt with any degree of concealment towards this Horse
in preparing the minute upon the subject of this change.ties
But, Sir, the subject is of so much importance that
I think it is desirable the attention of the House should
be turned to it before the dissolution of Parliament.— (Hear,
hear.) In calling the attention of the House to it, it is
necessary that I should refer for some minutes both to the
general proceedings which have taken place upon this sub-
ject of votes for education, and likewise to the particular
subject of the management clauses, with regard to which
the alteration has been made. The House will recollect that
after some 20,0001. or 30,0001. had been voted for several
years, from 1832 to 1839, for the purpose of aiding education
by giving assistance to the National and the British and
Foreign School Societies, it was proposed in 1839 to rtei
the members of the Privy Council a Committee whest4"
Id be
undertake the application of any grants
which -shou
grafts'
under
made by Parliament, and should divide those
in such a
the superintendence and supervision of Parliament,the
people
o
manner as might tend to promote the education t