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TURDAY EVE:NANG, NOVEMBER 21, ISM

ing on the house to rescind the resolution which it had
come to on a former occasion favourable to the principle of
appropriation. The noble lord met this motion by say-
ing, that the party opposed to him ought to be content,
for it had gained its object in preventing the Govern-
ment from proceeding to carry out the resolution of the
house in reference to appropriation, and that it ought
not to ask the House of Commons to stigmatise its own
acts, or to oblige the Governmentto submitto the indignity
of having its propositions altered in the way recommended
by the motion of the hon. baronet. The noble lord the Se-
cretary for Ireland also brought around him his friends,
and took the same line of argument, and the result was,
that the appeal thus made to the house was successful, and
he (Mr. G.) was not sorry that it was so, and he trusted
that a similar spirit of moderation and forbearance would
influence their proceedings that evening. (Hear.) The hon.
member for the West Riding had asked how could they—
the followers of the late Sir R. Peel, support the course
proposed by the noble lord the member for Tiverton. The
answer to that question was, they pursued that course
which Sir R. Peel would have done himself had he been
present on that occasion. (Hear.) Let them, therefore,
imitate him in the magnanimity of the course which he
had always pursued under similar circumstances. (Hear.)
He gave up, in accordance with his own views to promote
the public good, political associations which he had held
closelyfor3s years. He looked for his revenge for the attacks
that had been made upon him, not to stinging speeches, but
to the consciousness that the policy which he had recom-
mended would operate advantageously even for those who in
their ignorance objected to his policy. He looked, therefore,
in the first place, to have his reward in the goodness of the
measures which he brought forward; secondly, in the as-
surances that the aristocracy who had opposed these mea-
sures would find their best advantage in the abolition of the
corn laws, which they were anxious to uphold. The right
hon. gentleman then proceeded as follows:—" My right
hon. friend anticipated, lam convinced, those bloodless,
those painless rewards, which would be honourable and
delightful to him, had it pleased God to spare him—which
will be honourable to my hon. friend the member for Bury
(Mr. Peel)—to those who were entitled to claim kindred
with that great man—which are now delightful to us, who
have had, in former times, the high privilege of combatting
by his side, and who are now, as fondly as ever, attached
to his memory. (Hear.) These are the vindications for
which he looked, and looking for these vindications, and
seeing that we are now arrived at the point when we are
celebrating the obsequies of this obnoxious policy, and are
about to adopt by an overwhelming majority, in one sense
or the other, a declaration admitted to be perfectly une-
quivocsd, of the beneficial character, and of the predomi-
nance of the system of free trade, which he defended—oh,
sir, I say in such a moment as this, if we still cherish the
desire to trample upon those who have fought man-
fully, and have been defeated fairly, let us endeavour to
put it away from ourselves, and rejoice in the great public
good which we have been enabled to attain, and to take
courage from the attainment of that good for the perform-
ance of our public duty in the future. (Loud cheers.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE rose amidst cries of "Divide," and
said that he had designated the hon. member for the West
Riding as a democrat, with the will to become an autocrat.
He begged to ,withdraw these words. He would vote
against the motion of the hon. member for Wolverhamp-
ton, and if it was possible for him to have voted for free
trade, he would have voted for the amendment of the noble

lord, 'because it was dictated with the spirit of a~gentle-
man. He would not vote for the amendment, but he would
not vote against it.

Mr. VILLIERS rose to reply, and in doing so said he
would only occupy the attention of the house for a very
short while, as the subject would be rather personal to
himself. As he had been frequently referred to in the de-
bate, it was necessary that he should say something in
respect to himself. And here he must remark, that he
was afraid that the selection made in this case, to bring
the subject before the house was not a wise one. (Hear,
hear.) He had been flattered by the reference made
to him. It was said that he was selected to bring
this question before the house, because he had been
a consistent advocate for free trade—that in doing so,
he had but a single purpose in view, and that he
was not taunted with any sinister purpose whatever in the
matter. He feared these were not exactly the qualities
that fitted him for the position that he was called on to
occupy. In framing the resolution he expressed what he
conceived to be the opinion of the majority of that house,
and what was of more importance, what he believed to be
the opinion of the country. That, therefore, was his prac-
tice. As he said last night, he had not the credit of being
the author of the resolution, but it was agreed to after
much consideration, and he took the responsibility of it.
He, however, now felt bound, after what had taken place,
to reveal the truth to the house—(hear, hear)—and he did
so, because many strong things had been said in the course
of the debate against him, and the course he had pursued.
He was charged, for instance, with having brought for-
ward a resolution for which there was no parliamentary
precedent, and that it was such a resolution which no gen-
tleman could propose in reference to another. Now, he
was not aware of any person who had cast imputations
upon his resolutions in that respect on his (Mr. Vil-
liers) side of the house, who was not a party to the
drawing it up. (Loud and continued cheering.) Every
one must see that there was a great distinction to be drawn
between the expediency of the resolution and the charac-
ter of the resolution. (Cries of " hear, hear.") Now
his resolution was on the table before the amendment was
proposed, and if it was so objectionable in character, as it
was now said to be, it was so before the amendment as
well as after it ; but so far from any fault being found with
it in that respect, when he showed it to the noble lord who
moved the amendment—(hear' hear)—and the right hon.
gentleman the member for the University of Oxford, they
both pronounced it unexceptionable. When he submitted
the resolution for the opinion of the noble lord the member
for Tiverton, he passed over the words " wise, just, and
beneficial," which had been since so much talked about,
without making the least objection to them. (Hear,
hear.) The noble lord did suggest an alteration in
another portion of the resolution, and which he (Mr.
Villiers) acceded to. (Hear, hear.) He did not say that
the noble lord had not proposed a more expedient resolu-
tion than his was, but all he wanted was to vindicate
himself against those charges which had been brought
against his resolution. (Hear, hear.) The house, therefore,
must see that he had not taken the course he had done out
of any disrespect to the Government, or any portion
of the house, but being requested to do so, he framed
a resolution which he considered would have the
support of the great majority of the house, and which
he was certain would have the support of the great
majority of the country, the Government them-
selve admitting that the feeling of the country was in
favour of the principles he had set forth in the resolution.
It was admitted that there was a necessity for such a reso-
lution, and he had only proposed one embodying those
principles which were laid down in the Speech from the
Throne. (Hear, hear.) One, however, would think, from
the heavy charges which had been brought against him,
that there was a wide and important difference between,
his resolution and the amendment, but let the house con-
; Bider how the case stood. The great difference between
his side of the house and the opposite side was, that free
trade had produced none of those beneficial effects which
were set forth both in his resolution and the amendment
of the noble lord, and if a bona fide amendment had been
submitted to that effect, the matter would have been
placed upon a proper footing, but that not having
been done, what he wanted was now to ascertain
from the house whether that which was admitted by
all to have improved the condition of the country was
wise, just, and beneficial. (Cheers.) Every one, there-
fore, who went into the lobby in favour of the amend-
ment of the noble lord, while they would affirm that
the people had been improved and that trade had been
increased by means of that policy, would at the same time
affirm that it was not wise, just, and beneficial ? (Cries of
" No, no.") One was, therefore, brought to inquire why
this difference of opinion between the resolution and the
amendment, and why the averseness to approve of the
words, " wise, and just, and beneficial," and as to that
they were not left in the dark, for some hon. members had
let the cat out of the bag. There was something, it ap-
peared, behind the scenes in the shape of compensation.
(Cheers.) That would be given as a substitute for protec-
tion. That seemed to be the opinion of the hon. member
for Surrey (Mr. Drummond), for he did not seem to find
any fault with his resolution. " But," said that hon. mem-
ber, " I have constituents who have suffered in consequence
of the repeal of the corn laws, and they would hardly be
satisfied with my conduct if I voted that that measure was
wise, just, and beneficial." Had he been met in the
same spirit by other hon. members on that side of the
house, as he had been by the honourable member for
Surrey, he might have consented to withdraw the words in
question ; but why he thought the insertion necessary
was, that the Government were not converts to this
policy—(hear)—they only submitted to a necessity and to
a state of things which they could not control, and that
therefore it was proper that such words should be inserted,
in order to prevent them from intermeddling with that
policy should an opportunity occur. (Hear, hear.) He,
therefore, asked honourable gentlemen who alli along sup-
ported free trade, how they could go into the lobby in
favour of the amendment ?

Lord PALMERSTON said, as his hon. and learned
friend had referred to a conversation which he had had
with him in reference to his resolution, he wished to say a
few words in explanation. It was true that one evening,
towards the end of the night, his hon. and learned friend
showed him sitting on the end of that bench (pointing to
the bench on which Mr. Villiers sat), the draft of his re-
solution, for the purpose, as he understood, of ascertaining
as to whether he would vote for it. He (Lord Palmerston)
pointed out one part of it which he could not agree to—
(hear)—and his hon. and learned friend agreed to strike
that part out. After the resolution was laid on the table
notice of an amendment to it was given by the Government,
on seeing w-441 he wrote a note to his hon. and learned
friend in which he stated that he presumed the objection
to the resolution proceeded on ono particular part of it, but
that ho was sorry to see that a resolution which it was in-
tended should establish a great system of domestic policy
should degenerate into a mere party struggle, and Ike en-
treated him to endeavour, by putting himself into commu-
nication with the Government, to devise some form of
words which might be acceptable to the great majority of
the House of Commons. His hon. and learned friend stated
to him that he would see him in the house. He did see
him in the house accordingly, but without stating the par-
ticulars of the conversation between them, what his hon.
and learned friend told him left the impression on his
mind that he was not master of his own conduct—(Mi-
nisterial cheers)--and that he was in the hands of other
persons. (Hear hear.) It was not, therefore, fair for him
to say that he made no objection until his resolution was
before the house. He wrote him that note, which he
could make what use of he pleased—show it to whom he
liked, and read it to whom he pleased. (Cheers.)
Mr. GLADSTONE also rose to explain. If they were
to be put into a glass beehive, so that all these communica-
tions in respect of these resolutions might be seen, he had
not the least objection, for there was not one word which '
he had spoken or written respecting which he was not '
ready to place at the service of the house, for he ho'li
thought it prudent to carry all the correspondence in 'his
pocket. Knowing the misunderstandings which took
place in these matters he took the precaution of taking
that course. (Hear.) As to the charge of the hon, and
learned gentleman, he met it by stating that he believed
the resolution was placed on the table of the house at 12
o'clock, the 17th of Nov., and on the 16th, at 'six o'clock,
he wrote a note to the hon. and learned gentleman, ob-
jecting to the resolution in the precise point on which the
objection to it had been founded that evening, on the
ground that, if kept in that shape, it would not gain the
support of so large a majority of that house. . (Hear.)
Mr. VILLIERS, in explanation, said that there was not
one single word that had been stated but confirmed what
he had said, and he felt called upon to add now, that the
terms which were since so objectionable to the noble lord,
did not strike the noble lord at the time that they were in,
communication with each other en the abject. What he

said on the occasion had been made subject of doubt, and
all he had now to say was, that if the objectionable words
were objectionable at the time they were nevertheless
admitted to be true. With respect to the right hon. gen-
tleman (Mr. Gladstone) he had written to him (Mr
Villiers), and stated that he had been informed, as the
right hon. gentleman, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, had
stated that he had been informed, that the objectionable
words had been put into the resolution for the purpose of
preventing others from giving their vote, and his (Mr.
Villiers') answer was, that no suck object had ever been
thought of.
The house then divided, when the numbers were—
For Mr. Villiers' resolution
For Lord Palmerston's amendment 336

Majority for the amendment BO
The house immediately afterwards divided on Lord Pal-
merston's amendment as an original resolution, when the
numbers were—
For the motion
Against it.,. 53

Majority
The announcement of the numbers was received with
cheers, and the house immediately afterwards adjourned at
two o'clock.

FROM THE GAZETTE OF YESTERDAY.

WAR-OFFICE, Nov. 26.

6th Regiment of Dragoons—Acting Assistant-Surgeon
Henry Charles Boate to be Assistant-Surgeon, vice
Logie, promoted on the Staff, Nov. 23.
3d Foot—Assistant-Surgeon Edgar Dumaresq Batt,
from the 13th Foot, to be Surgeon, vice Reade, appointed
to the Staff, Nov. 26.
6th Foot—Captain Henry Phillips, from half-pay un-
attached, to be Captain, vice- Cruice, who exchanges,
receiving the difference ; Lieutenant Henry Pratt Gore
to be Captain, by purchase, vice Phillipps, who retires ;
Ensign Walter Tyler Bartley to be Lieutenant, by pur-
chase, vice H. P. Gore, Nov. 26.
13th Foot—Assistant-Surgeon Frederick Clarke, from
the 25th Foot, to be Assistant-Surgeon, vice Batt, pro-
moted in the 3rd Foot, Nov. 26.
24th Foot—Ensign Samuel John James Burns to be
Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Drew, who retires,
[Nov. 26.

25th Foot—Acting Assistant-Surgeon Watkin San-
dom Whylock, M.D., to be Assistant-Surgeon, vice
Clarke, appointed to the 13th Foot, Nov. 26.
31st Foot—Captain Charles Octavius Eardley Wilmot,
from the 96th Foot, to be Captain, vice Rocke, who
exchanges, Nov. 26.
41st Foot—Captain James Eman to be Major, by
purchase, vice Seaton, who retires, ; Lieutenant Hon-
ourable Richard Handcock to be Captain, by purchase,
vice Eman ; Ensign Henry Stratton Bush, to be Lieu-
tenant, by purchase, vice Handcock, Nov. 26.
55th Foot—Ensign John Richard Hume to be Lieu-
tenant, by purchase, vice Feilden, who retires—Thomas
Maude Roxby Gent., to be Ensign, by purchase, vice
Mackinnon, appointed to the 64th Foot, Nov. 26.
64th Foot—Ensign David ' Mortimer Murray to be
Lieutenant, by purchase, vice Hood, who retires ; En-
sign Walter Carr Mackinnon, from the 55th Foot, to be
Ensign, vice Murray, Nov. 26.
82nd Foot—Staff Surgeon of the Second Class Wil-
liam Ord Mackenzie, M.D., to be Surgeon, vice Hume,
promoted on the Staff, Nov. 26.
96th Foot—Captain Henry Bagshawe Harrison Rocke
from the 31st Foot, to Captain, vice Eardley Wilmot,
who exchanges, Nov. 26.
Ceylon Rifle Regiment—Captain Thomas Cochrane
Hammill, from half-pay Unattached, to be Captain, vice
Albert Watson, promoted, without purchase, to an Un-
attached Majority, Nov. 26 ; First-Lieutenant Frederick
Arthur Walter to be Captain, by purchase, vice Ham-
mill, who retires ; Second-Lieutenant Robert Seymour
Croxton Sillery to be First-Lieutenant, by purchase,
vice Walter, Nov. 26.

St. Helena Regiment—Ensign Thomas Conway Lloyd
to be Adjutant, vice Prenderville, who resigns the Adju-
tancy only, Nov. 26.
HOSPITAL STAM—Surgeon Thomas David Hume,
M.D., from the 82d Foot, to be Staff Surgeon of the first
class, vice George Home, who retires upon half-pay.—
Assistant-Surgeon Cosmo Gordon Logie, M.D., from
the 6th Dragoons, to be Staff Surgeon of the second
class, vice Mackenzie, appointed to the 82d Foot.—Sur-
geon Henry Cooper Reade, from the 3d Foot, to be
Staff Surgeon of the second class, vice George Hume
Reade, who retires upon half-pay.
BREVET.—Captain Thomas Cochrane Hammill, o
the Ceylon Riffs Regiment, to be Major in the Army,f
Nov. 23, 1841; Brevet Thomas Cochrane Hammill, of
the Ceylon Rifle Regiment. to be Lieutenant-Colonel in
the Army, Nov. 11, 1851 ; Captain Henry Phillipps,
of the 6th Foot, to be Major in the Army, Nov. 23,
1841; Brevet Major Henry Phillipps, of the 6th Foot,
to be Lieutenant-Colonel in the Army, Nov. 11, 1851.
MEMORANDUM.--Ensign Henry John Yonge has not
roverted to the 74fil Regiment, as stated in the Gazette
of Nov. 23, but continues in the 61st Foot, as stated in
the Gazette of Oct. 15.

K. Broadhurst, Fenton, Stoke-upon-Trent, Staffordshire,
earthenware manufacturer, Dec. 20, at ten, at the
Court, Birmingham—F. Braithwaite, Hereford, apothe-
cary, Dec. 20, at ten, at the Court, Birmingham—W
Laird, Birkenhead,'merchant, Dec. 20, at eleven, at the
Court, Liverpool—T. M. Harris, Liverpool, shipowner,
Dec. 17, at eleven, at the Court, Liverpool—T. Tatters-
all, Liverpool, corn merchant, Dec. 17, at eleven, at the
Court, Liverpool.
PAYMENT OF DIVIDENDS.

J. Gouldesbrough, Manchester, manufacturer, id.,
and first dividend 7s. 2d., on Tuesday, Nov. 30, and
following Tuesday, between ten and one, at the office of
Mr. Lee, Manchester. ,

tauthrie and Cook, Liverpool, merchants, id., on
Monday, Nov. 29, or any subsequent Monday, between
eleven and tit°, at the office of Mr. Bird, Liverpool.
G. Walsh, Blackburn. Lancashire, pawnbroker,
12s. sid., on Tuesday, Nov. 30, or any subsequent
Tuesday, between eleven and one, at the office of Mr.
Pott, Manchester.
E. W. Dickenson, Liverpool, merchant, Bd., on Mon-
day, Nov. 29, or any subsequent Monday, between
eleven and two, at the office of Mr. Bird, Liverpool.
T. N. Assheton, Liverpool, merchant, 3d., on Mon-
day, Nov. 29, or any subsequent Monday, between
eleven and two, at the office of Mr. Bird, Liverpool.

NOTICES OF CERTIFICATES.
At the Court,Basinghall-street.

H. N. Brewer, Deptford, and Bermondsey-wall, block-
maker, Dec. 20, at half-past eleven—T. Delf and N.
Trubner, Paternoster-row, City, booksellers, Dec. 17,
at half-past eleven—J. Holmes, Regent-street, West-
minster, shawl-warehouseman, Dec. 20, at half-past
twelve —J. P. Sandie, North Ockendon, Essex, cattle
dealer, Dec. 20, at half-past eleven—J. Strevens, Ber-
mondsey-wall, Bermondsey, sail maker, Dec. 18, at
eleven—T. Meeson, Fenchurch-street, coal-merchant,
Dec. 17, at half-past eleven—R. Pitt, East Donyland,
Essex, builder, Dec. 17, at one—A. Forfar, Dunstable,
Bedfordshire, straw bonnet-manufacturer, Dec. 21, at
eleven.