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best possible class could not be obtained in the aortal,
time. And he wished to say that the weavers formed
by no means the worst class of emigrants.—(Hear.)
The Eerl of SHAFTESBURY said they hsd been
found the beet shepherds ever sent cut.—(Llear.)
Lord REDESDALE said it mast be borne in mied
that it was cheaper to seed the emigrants to Alneliell
than Australia.—(Near.)
The Earl of DESART said the Government were
anxious to spend on emigration the funds at their ells'
poste! for that purpose; nod that if the emigration wer°
not sufficient, it would then be considered whether s
relaxation of the regulations were advisable.—(Rear')
The motion was agreed t'.
PROTESTANT DISSENTERS BILL. d
The Bishop of SALISBURY rose to move the soon
reading of this Bill, which was, in substance, the earge
as had on two former occasions been introduced iod
their Lordships' House, and, on one occasion, had passe
.0
through it. When the Toleration Act was paseerl'l
the rcigis of William 111., Protestant dissenters were re;
quired to register their places of worship in the court 0`
the bishop, and before the clerk of the peace. The ree:;
son was that the Act reli, ved them from penalties under
various statutes, of the administration of which The.
bishops might naturally be considered guardians.
lapse of time and change of opinion rendered it desire_u.,
that regulations, which originally might have been leuo
proper, should now no longer bo continued. Dl° °,l'd
imagined that Prot( slant dissenters, who worsb'PPio
God according to their own consciences, should oat! to
account ho subjected to penalties. However Ino,.°ljnia
regretted that any portion of his fellow subjects egiefor
be separated from him in worship, they ought °tots
that reason, to be exposed to any penalties in lore,
civil or ecclesiastical. Ile diel not desire, there in
that the vgiskraTion should continue to be tood,_°„ia
the ecclesiastical courts, and proposed that it ene".)
be only before the clerk of tiee peace,—(l:lear.
The measure, therefore, would provide that, and seeuig,
bre,oziagraedeaubtyle, he hoped, to the dissenters. It would bet
cfbdoemabcmtcoeintpt:pbaalse to the Church of England as relieving 1;10
which did not properly attach to her. In
imerely
it a
wasmatter
called oflicence;registration.
and u.thi
gre
was a certificate of registration given, the Weil—.
h oTu sae: wAerreebbeisahlloepd
::fICiceAnNseTdE."RBURY said the 113rnthwe
veniences of the present system were so evident, 513, :,-
remedy proposed by the Right Rev. Prelate so clear a 0•
simple, that it was unnecessary to say anything l,e - ootge
firmation of what he had stated. He should give
measure his support.

The Bill was then read a second time. AN Bill
The Bishopric of Christchurch (New Zattlami "-
was recommitted and thm' report received. and
The Disabilities Repeal Bill was read a third.doe
passed.
The Repayment of Advances (Ireland) Acts Anicild‘
merit Bid was also read a third time and passed.
The Committee on Captain Warner's invention vi'"
nominated, and
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 17.
THE MILITIA BILL.
The House then went into Committee on this Bill.
Clause 14 was proposed, which enacts that volunteer'
should be sworn and enrolled.
or other parts of the United Kingdom in which they ha
shaMper•tßhße o
militia mbjigechttedbetoootruhepeolalethd,ttohasettivneiites
IProc
not been raised. the
Mr. WALPOLE said the oath was taken fromt
Interchanging Act, allowed the sending of .112 'of
tiamen raised in England to Ireland or other pang
the Unit. d Kingdom, and the bringing the militia retest
in Ireland to this country. But it did not follow
.7ity
this power would be put in force, unless the nee°
for doing so arose. ct
Mr. ICRIGH r —The object of the Interchanging, the
was connected with a particular department °f
g.
duties of the militia—namely, the suppression of lethal
rection and rebellion within the kingdom. But
Bill,
duty not being required of them under the present got,
he did not see there could be the same necessity ibisl
sending the English militia to Ireland. A leer Of the
nature ought nut to be confined to one portion of
hot
United Kingdom only, though he would not more ttun
it should be extended to either Scotland or Rented. o;
however, the Right Hon. Gentleman said there wasps
the slightest possib;lity that the power would he use se
(No, no)—ho (Mr. Bright) suggested that in this w
the oath in the 42.1 Geo. , which confined the °Peo, ,
e
tions of the militia to England and Wales, should be
substituted for the one referred to in the clause.
Lord PALMERSTON hoped the Right Hon. GS,
man would not accede to the suggestion of the gine
Member for Manchester. The services of them wee
. were originally limited to the island in which the eel
was raised. The object of the militia was not to (el it
down insurrection, but to defend the country; eh to
being found inconvenient to confine the Irish militthes
Ireland, and the English militia to England, Parlierhe
thought proper to alter that description of service, io
enacted that thenceforward every militiaman shell!d here
liable to serve in any part of the United Kingdom f,r
his services might te re quired.—(Hear, hear.) s°, ji
from seeing any reason for restriction in the fact tb/tie
was proposed by the Government to raise the 113 toe)
only in England and Wales, he (Lord Fakeers 4,
mu-e say that it afforded an additional reason f01.:12.
tiering to the arrangement made by the Act of 1530 s
The reason for which any militia was required was the
an additional force might be wanted to defend
so
country against invasion • and he begged leave
easethe
war as Esgland iteet.—(lleer, hear.) The fact that the
Government: did Dot think it necessary at present torahs
a militia in Ireland was no reason for preventieg
English militia from going to Ireland. on the control/
it Vi'4B a reason altogether the her .
Sir G. PECHELL said that seeingway the Governhinte
hid consented to the appointment of a Select Comellt ice
of the House of Lords to investigate Captain W4r,13:c10
inventions, aho could say bnt thy might be able be
without any militia at all?—(Laughter.) For his ear"ins
considered the inventions snare humbug; but se ullthse
quiry was to be instituted, he would suggest tiltden of
ougbt now to report progress and await the result
that inquun.—(Laughter.)
Member for
Mr. BULGE:U-11e Noble Lord the Meuerenese
Tiverton (Lord Palmerston) had not allowed the 1"-(030,
Secretary to reply to his (Mr. Bright's) obser"tee'
because he entertained a fear lest that Right Been The
tlensan would commit himself —(A laugh and Ohl)f the
Noble Lord seemed to be quite a twin-brother o
Right Lion. Gentleman on these occasions. But the Nueutis
tr
Lord exclaimed the other night, " What, would
ruwbf
the people of Ireland as if they were traitors? the
then would the Noble Lord exclude that part of
was
United Kingdom from the operation of the Bill? It tie
-a special ground of complaint against the B
forcing it in one portion of the kingdom only, they their
ballotted men from that portion, and insisted upon tents
serving in parts of the United Kingdom to vglii`oo
the Bill did not apply. That was not just dieeenele
with the people of England and Wales. The '"-ear
Lord's inconsistencies were interminable. As, hove'fly
he seemed to be able to make the Government take see.
course lie chose, ho (Mr. Bright) would suggest ,hll7,
that he should force them to extend the measure to 17d
Bill thatce,ol‘
land, se that men should not be dragged from England
and Wales to any part of Scotland or Ireland Iglu
such an oath as this. •
Mr. WALPOLE said that if it were intended to 0132;
ploy the militia to suppress insurrection or rebellion,t"
Bill might he objectionable if it proposed to send tb,el
to Ireland for tnat purpose. But it was only intend;„
to send them for the defence of the country, and en
enable the Government to bring over the troops of tun
line from Ireland to England, in case this country
should be invaded. Unless the necessity arose this
didponewnsetrrliyswetohuel
the power)
w would not
power
be
o ought
ought i
tno
tf
eooxr butbsebet ipnu
tt h
eii
in
B force,
tt hLa_tnecessity
uees s t
qßill.—(Bear')
After a few words from Mr. CLAY and -
MOWATT,
Colonel Cori- trusted the Governoient
uwpoounl
military not take any advice from the Hon. Gentlel
matters. He hoped no alteration woo
be made in the construction of the clause. d
Mr. HUME said the question was not a re;no did
question at all. The question was whether they if,°„-te
oblige a man who was to be drafted against his vi. be
take the oath prescribed in the Bill—a Bill which t
present Government would never have proceeded teith.7,o,
the late Government had not brought it in. °I),J," of
tionable, however, as he thought the measure, WIC' es
his objection to it would be removed if the ballot cleus
were struck out.
Mr. BRIGHT said they insisted upon the men tall
an oath which would oblige them to serve in Role°.
and Scotland us well as in England. To obviate the';
and to confine their services to England, he moved the
e
the oath of the Act of 1802 be substituted for the oat,'
of the Act of 1811.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the question wag
whether they would adopt the oath by which they would
be enabled to compel the attendance of volunteers 'h
those parts of the United Kingdom which required th,3:
fence, or whether they would substitute an oath- whic-e'
providing for the defence of England and Scotland'
by GlBBONballot,
hdltwhat
tlhnal iadwdb,
a,eisoa
would not enable them to send a ;force into Relent"
whatever might be the necessities of the service ther°.
He was sure the Committee would not hesitate a e3"-
ment as to which to adopt.
Mr. M. as one part of the force was t°
be raised
rrtanothermibneeg formed
by volunteering, theyai
anys
suitablehneldi
auctsooenssiod te.
both,tr
hawen
uoaaorthneastbownehilegehur
ep_sewtisoatupso;:no..iioti
the House had decided whether P any portion of the foe,
should be raised by ballot or not. It was most
thastutbhe people of England, Scotland, and Wales shoe'-
beject to compulsory service, and the people of
Ire-
land not.
Lord J. RUSSELL ob
served that the natural construe'
tion of the clause would be that there was no intention
of taking the militia beyond England and Wales. But,
when the militia was embodied it ,
would be great /
a dins
advantage if they could not remove them to any part
Ivit..
the empire. t'
respect to Ireland, supposing there
was a war, and it were necessary to have a militia, it°
doubt a militia force would be embodied in Ireland at
well as in England and Wales. In Ireland he wig'''.
observe that the militia was usually raised by volunteer-
ing—in fact, by beat of drum; but, at all events, ~
were necessary, they would have a militia force raised
in Ireland, and then, as during the tate war, they cool°,
if they deemed it necessary, send a part of the English
militia into Ireland and a portion of the Irish militia
into England. lie could not, therefore, support the
amendment of the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Bright). With
regard to the observation of the Hon. Member for Mont-
rose (Ur. Hume), he begged to say that the Bill was
not his (Lord J. Ruasell's) Bill, and he had not the ro'
spoesibility of it.
Lord PALMERSTON said that in Ireland the militia
force had been raised always by voluntary enlistment'
end he epptektude4 thAt by tho oxiatiog lbw iohttipg W