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EVENING., JUNE 4, 1852.

FRIDAY

ported, and whether they thought it rhoald be permanent,
or whether they were in favour of modifying it,. they
wore all prepared at presmt to support it as it existed..
It could not bo supported without the passing of this
vote, and he therefore hoped the C a.iniittee would
agree to it.
Af;er a few words fro, Mr. W. WILLIAMS, the
vote was agreed tn.
The CHAIRMAN then reported progress, and ob-
tained leave to sit again this day.
THE COMMON L A W PROCEDURE BILL.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL having moved the
second reading of this Bill,
Sir A. COCKBURN expressed his regret that one of
the most important features in the measure, as recom-
mended in the report of the Commissioners, had been
struck out of it, not in the House of Lords, but by certain
authorities out of that House. The feature to which he
alluded was the provision for getting rid of what was
technically known as forms of actions, which were, he
believed, too often a stumbling block in the way of
justice. Eut, at the same time, he felt persuaded that
the Bill, even as it stood, would be found one of the most
important measures of legq reform which had been in-
troduced during the last half century. He should, how-
ever, add that that was, in his opinion, only a first in-
stalment of what ought to be accomplished in that
direction. They had yet a good deal to do before they
could remove all the technical difficulties which
formed such serious obstacles to the due admi•
nistration of justice. He believed that they should go
further than they had ever yet attempted to
and that they ought to appoint a further
Commission—a mixed Commission of the common law
and equity members of the profession—for the purpose
of inquiring into the propriety of amalgamating the two
systems, and effecting a general codification of our laws.
He had no hesitation in saying that those laws were at
present in a state which was disgraceful to a civilised
country.—(Hear, hear.) They were a sealed book to the
subject of the realm, and it would require the whole life
of a man to make himself acquainted with them.—(Hear,
hear.) It was not enough that they should improve their
procedure; they ought to codify their laws, and to make
them intelligible to the people,—(Hear, hear.)
The Bill was then read a second time, and was ordered
to be committed on Monday next.
THE MASTER IN CHANCERY ABOLITION

BILL.
Mr. WALPOLE having moved the second reading of
this Bill,
Sir A.COCKBURN said he believed that the Bill as it
had been recommended by the Commissioners had been
utterly spoilt by the Lord Chancellor, and that it was
altogether different from the measure which had been
recommended by the Commissioners of Chancery Re-
form. He hoped that they would not then be called upon
to assent to the second reading of the Bill.
Mr. WALPOLE said that that was a most important
measure, and taken in conjunction with the next mea-
sure on the notice paper—namely, the Improvement of
the Jurisdiction of Equity Bill—it would tend more to
the improvement of the practice of equity in this
country than anything which had been done since the
days of Lord Nottingham. It would effect three impor-
tant reforms—it would prevent expense and delay in
bringing cases to a hearing,it would prevent them in
the consideration of cases, and it would prevent them in
the inquiries which followed the hearing of cases. In
some particulars the Bill as it then stood differed from
that which had been recommended by the Commission-
ers; but those particulars had been most carefully con-
sidered by the most competent authorities, and they
might hereafter be dealt with by the House in Com-
mittee.

Sir A. COCKBURN said, that although he thought
it very inconvenient that they should have to consider so
important a Bill at that late hour, he did not wish to
oppose the motion for its second reading.
Sir J. GRAHAM said he hoped that, under all the
circumstances of the case, the House would assent to the
second reading of that Bill, and of the Bill which fol-
lowed. He had had the honour of having sat on the Com-
mission from whhili those two Bills had proceeded, and
he was glad to be able to add that the report of the Com-
missioners had been unanimously adopted. He was also
bound to say, that in the main those two Bills carried
out fully and fairly, in his humble judgment the re-
commendations of the Commissioners.—(Hear, hear.)
There might be deviations, which many persons would
regret, from those recommendations; but he entertained
a sanguine expectation that all
the details of the two
Bills would be satisfactorily adjusted in Committee.
Mr. J. STUART said he hoped that the House would
have no hesitation in agreeing to the second reading of
the Bill after the statement of the Right Hon. Baronet
the Member for Ripon, that it substantially carried out
the recommendations of the Commissioners.
The Bill was then read a second time, and was ordered
to be committed on Monday next.
IMPROVEMENT OF THE _ JURISDICTION OF

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Monday next.
The General Board of Health Bill was read a third
time and passed. IwTo
ordered
rßpe ILL
to
On
The Law of Wills Amendment Bill was read a third
time and passed.
The order of the day for the third reading of the
Industrial and Provident Partnerships Bill having keen
read,
Mr. CARTER moved th© insertion of a clause to the
effect that no member should be liable for the debts or
engagements of a society beyond the extent of the shares
which he held.
After a short discussion the clause was negatived
without a division, and the Bill was read a third time and
passed.
BISHOPRIC OF CHRISTCHURCH (NEW ZEA-
LAND) BILL.
The order of the day for resuming the adjourned de-
bate on the Bishopric of Christchurch (New Zealand)
Bill having been read,
Mr. ADDERLEY said he wished to inform the Hon.
and Learned Member for Youghal that he would be pre-
pared to strike out of the Bill any words which could be
supposedwnic
h it
wayto g
notive to the
Crown power in the colonies
legally
to possess. He trusted
that after that declaration there could be no objection
on the part of the Hon. and Learned Gentleman to the
second reading of the measure.
Mr. ANSTEY repeated his objections to the Bill as it
then stood.
The House then ded v.
Mr. SADLIER moved t,hyve.,a.edjnottihrenrme adjournment of
appeared—
Againstt hedebate.
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Mr. KEOGH then moved the •
adjournt of the
House. men

Mr.
such ADdmentsDERLEY said he would be ready to adopt
amen of the Bill in Committee, as would
completely meet the objections of the Honourable and
Learned Member for Youghal and the trusted that the
second reading would not after that statement be further
opposed.
Mr. ANSTEY said he wished to have such amend-
ments introduced into the measure as would amount to
;
ecclesi-
astical supremacy in its colonies.
an acknowledgment that the Crown possessed no
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL refused to give his
sanction to any such principle.
After a short discussion the motion for the adjourn-
ment of the House was withdrawn, and the debate was
again adjourned to this day,
taut D iss
On the motion of Mwas read r. BR() THERTON, the Protes-
en a
to be committed on Monday ne second time, and ordered
,t.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON obtained leave to bring in
Bill to continue an Act of
sent Majesty, for amending thee 12th year of her pre-
banks in Ireland; and the Bill laws relating to savings
first time.
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Mr. CARTER moved an address for a return of all the
risoners sentenced to be whipped
during the last three
Pyears in this kingdom nt the various courts of quarter
summary jurisdiction, the date
O. the sentence, and the
offence for which awarded, with the age of each prisoner
punished.—Agreed to.
so p
The House adjourned at Two O'clock
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America, where the delays and inaccuraeie
than they were here. The cypher
Willtner and Smith, to which the attentioge
mittee on a previous day was drawn, was,
knowledge, having been engaged to do
vent the transmission of the President's
cer-
tain morning papers, so that Messrs. Willme ress to
might secure it first for the newspapers they and Smith
A second telegraph, in witness's opinion, "wY supplied.
tended with disadvantages. It was questionable
be at-
there would be enough business for more e whether
than
whether the reduction of rates consequent 0 one, and
tion would not make it a losing concern. u..9ompeti-
however, be an advantage, in the event of
400 i let would,
stoppage of communication by one telegraph,u nt to or
another. to have
Mr. Ilawkshaw, C.E., held two shares in the El
tric Telegraph Company. Was of opinion
that tec-
hes
railways could not spare the amount of space,
six fe
that would be required for a second telegraph, eet'
particularly as, from the constant development onf3tor
traffic, they now found their present space inskee e
Believed that to confer the compulsory powers quate.
for would be to strike at the root of railway safet sought
he would not be responsible for the security of a
r/il and
under the circumstances. Looked on the pro
powers as an invasion of the rights of railways. posed
Captain Huiss, general manager of the London and
North Western Railway, thought that while no benefit
would accrue to the public from a second line of tele-
graph, very serious injury would be indicted on the rail-
ways. Although co-operating with the Electric Tele-
graph Company, the London and North-Western had ex-
perienced great difficulty in connection with the opera-
tions of that company, and these would only be
re-
doubled by the introduction of a duplex system. There
had been two or three accidents, several narrow escape,
and confusion, and he dreaded the introduction of al
rival No
company on the same ground. controlling
power exercised by the Board of Trade could remedy
the dangerapprehended.The majority of the
directors
of the London and North-Western were at first taken
1 with the idea of a second line of telegraph, but for these

reasons had altered their opinion. The existing tele-
graph had not occasionally done its wolk so well as
could ba wished, but representations were instautly and
properly attended to.
Mr. C. W. SINDIENS, C.E. spoke to the system of
sub-hut:nous telegraphs in Prussia. The first cost of
the underground system, of which there were 30 miles
in Berlin, would be dearer than the suspensory system,
but quite as efficient.
Mr. W. H. SMITH, news agent, Strand, had had large
experience in connexion with the working of the elec-
tric telegraph, end considered it was now done as effec-
tively as it could be by a large system with regard to
correctness and dispatch. The Electric Telegraph Com-
pany supplied the provincial papers with the earliest and
most important intelligence at far less than any reporter
or agent could afford to do it. His firm had a mutually
advantageous arrangement with the company.
The committee here adjourned.

BUSINESS OF THE SESSION.
It has been fondly believed for some time that some-
where about the third week in this month our distracted
and worn-oat Legislature would be released from its un-
profitable toils. Government having pledged itself to
appeal to the people at the earliest possible opportunity,
that pledge was interpreted to mean that by the end of
June, at th© very latest, we should be saying "yes" or
" no" to the question of Free Trade, by the choice of our
representatives. Lord Darby, in popular estimation the
very pink of chivalry, was party to this arrangement,
and, if the terms were not very precise, it was presumed
that he would be all the more anxious that there should

be no disappointment. It is scarcely necessary to say
how widely this political understanding entered into all
public and private affairs; how many eager constituen-
cies were preparing to fight it out in July, and how
many, both candidates and electors, were calculating
on a holyday in August. They who cherished
these delusions will find by the proceedings in the
Commons last night how little trust is to be re-
posed in that proverbially rotten foundation—a Ministe-
rial promise. Instead of three weeks, which were to
suffice for the few odds and ends that remained after the
settlement of the Militia Bill, there is at least work for
three months, even if the whole of that time is to be
rescued from idle debates, and realised for the business
of the nation. The melancholy fact has been gradually
dawning on the minds of those who ventured to count
the notices on the list, and the measures on their way
from the Upper House, but there is a general feeling
that to announce a danger is to precipitate it; and even
now, when we talk of business to be done by the Com-
mons, we shall be thought to assume rather unnecessa-
rily that it will be done, and that the House is under an
obligation to do it. Hence the small amount of confessed
alarm and suspicion awakened by the growing tail of
Parliamentary arrears, and hence the very great alarm
and the more than suspicion which the portentous sum
total will now certainly inspire.
It required no ordinary mind to grasp the enumera-
tion of the Herculean catalogue, and put it before the
public in a tangible form. Few, if any, but Sir James
Graham, could so much as tell the House of Commons
what it has to do during the next three weeks. The
occasion was given him by a speech on the conduct of
public business by the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
which that ingenious gentleman managed to construct
in the form of an urgent appeal to all sides of the House
not to make unnecessary motions, nor to introduce irre•
levant topics, but to assist Ministers in their laudable
desire to get through the necessary work of the session
with the utmost possible dispatch. Sir James Graham,
with his usual suavity of manner and strength of pur-
pose, did not dispute the anxiety of Ministers to
expedite public business, but retaliated their
plea for forbearance by asking a like regard for human
capabilities in the selection of the measures to be pressed
as of urgent necessity. The list of measures so pressed
is absolutely overwhelming, and we almost recoil from
the sight. We can only venture to point out the heads
of this gigantic review:—" There are no less than 27
' orders of the day,' " says Sir James, " upon the paper
of to-day." There are four notices of motion to be
made before going into a Committee of Supply, with
little prospect of such motions diminishing, now that
independent Members are allowed fewer opportunities of
making their own suggestions, There is the Common
Law Procedure Bill, with 230 clauses, and requiring the
fullest discussion both on its principles and on its details.
There are two Bills, the results of a commission,
in which Sir James had a place, for the aboli-
tion of the Masters' offices and the improvement of the
mode of administering justice in equity. There is a
Bill relating to suitors in Chancery, and another for the
alteration of the law respecting wills. The New Zea-
land Bill it had been proposed to take this morning, but
as this morning there is to be a Committee upstairs on
the renewal of the East India Company's Charter, and
another on the repression of crime and outrage in Ire-
land, the New Zealand Bill could not possibly have
justice done to it at an hour already so preoccupied.
There is a Bill which happens to be just now of great
importance, on the " hereditary casual revenues."
Then there is a Colonial Bishops Bill, a Bishopric of
Quebec Bill, ;and a New Zealand Bishopric Bill,
severally involving the most interesting and delicate
questions, such as " clergy reserves" and episcopal
jurisdiction. There are the renewals of the Eng-
lish and Irish Poor-law Board, and various other
important renewals that must be made, and cannot be
made without considerable discussion. Then the Ad-
miralty has introduced a Bill to alter the entire mode
of paying her Majesty's fleet. There is the Metropolis
Buildings Bill, with 79 clauses; an Extramural Inter-
ment Bill repealing the last, and professing to be a sub-
stitute for it; a Water Supply Bill, and a Sewers Bill;
and there are 200 votes still to be taken in Committee of
Supply. Meanwhile, with all this mountaih of work to
be dispatched in some fifteen or twenty working days,
Ministers themselves have created a pest that devours
days by wholesale, that takes a morning at a meal, and
attacks the next day with unabated appetite. The
Maynooth question, at the rate hitherto allowed to it,
would itself suffice for the whole session, and while it is
in hand it is useless to reckon on any part of this mass
of real business being properly discharged.
With Sir James Graham we cannot but admit that
many, nay most, of these measures are necessary; and
we also remember that almost invariably at the end of
June, as now at the beginning, there is such an accumu-
lation of Bills before Parliament, that they unavoidably
stifle one another. But the present case has this painful
peculiarity, that Ministers stand pledged to wind up
the session as quickly as they could, but have, notwith-
standing, caught at every opportunity and pretence of
delay. Entirely through them Maynooth has become
the constant, or, at least, the intermittent plague of the
House, for without their encouragement Mr. Spooner
would long since have collapsed to his usual dimensions.
It is quite transparent, and all but admitted, that they
think it their game to keep Parliament sitting, doing
something or nothing, as long as possible. There are
certain things that must be done, and that must be done
in a hurry; so, if Ministers contrive to leave them out
of sight just now, and amuse the House meanwhile,
they will appear to be relieved of the odium of delay.
The whole House of Commons will be compromised in
the last push, and few will consider whose fault it is that
matters have come to that extremity. As to the mea-
sures of legal reform, certainly wo should have wished
to see them made laws as early as possible, but all con-
siderations must give way to the paramount importance
of oar constitutional rule,—Government by a majority,
and, we may add, to the not less important rule of poli-
tical honour and veracity. If these measurts cannot be
canvassed and sifted as they deserve in the course of
this month, they had better be postponed to the long
session which is to begin in the autumn, and to be con-
tinued, with a simple adjournment over the Christmas
holydays. To-night, or at all events on Monday, wo
are to have from our Chancellor of the Exchequer an
account of the wonderful method in which all this busi-
ness is to be safely and thoroughly dispatched. We
shall then see whether Ministers really contemplate ex-
tending this do-nothing session to its usual length. If
we are rightly informed, however, they have long since
given up that idea, and we may still expect a dissolu-
tion in the present month.—Times.

PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS.

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of Commons )
THURSDAY, JUNE 3.
SUPPLY.—(IN THE COMMITTEE.)
Motion made and Question put, " That a sum not exceed-
ing 3,2731. be granted to her Majesty to defi-av a portion of
the expenses of the Ecclesiastical Commissioners for Eng-
land, to the 31st day of March, 1853." The Committee
divided :

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MAJORITY—AYES, 95.
Acland, Sir T. Raiford, Sir H. Pugh. David
Baillie, 11. J. 470 Hamilton, G. A. Richards, Richard
Beresford, William Hamilton, Lord C. Spooner, Richard
Berkeley G. F. Henley, J. W. Stafford, Augustus
Best, John Hotham, Lord Stanley, Lord
Bridges, Sir B. Inglis, Sir, B. Thesiger, Sir F.
Brotherton, J. Johnstone, James Trollope, Sir J.
Bruce, C. L. Jolliffe, Sir W. G. Tyler, Sir G.
Chandos, Marquis Langton, W. H. Vivian, J. E.
Cobbold, J. C. Lennox, Lord H. G. Walpole, Spencer
Cubitt, William Lockhart, W. Whiteside, James
Deedes, IV. Lowther, Colonel Williams, T. P.
Disraeli, B. Manners, Lord J. Yorke, E. T.
Ferguson, Sir R. Naas, Lord TELLERS.
Forester, Colonel Newport, Viscount Dunne, Colonel
Graham, Sir James Pakingtun, Sir J. Teunent, Sir J.

MINORITY-NOES, 28.
Bell, Jacob Ramie, Archibald Stanford, J. F.
Bright, John liindley, C. Thompson, Colonel
Carter, Samuel King, r. J. Thompson, George
Cobden, Richard M'Taggart, Sir J. Verney,:Sir H.
Cogan, W. H. Milner, W. M. Walmsley, Sir J.
Duncan, George Mowatt, Francis Williams, John
Ellis, John Salwey, Colonel
Evans, Sir De Lacy Scholeileld, W.
Fox, W. J. Scobell, Captain TELLERS.
Greene, John Shat Hall, Sir B.
li. D. Williams, W.
Harris, Richard Sibthorp, Colonel

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BISHOPRIC OF CHRISTCHURCH (NEW ZEALAND)
BILL.
Order read for resuming adjourned Debate on Amendment
proposed to Question (28th May), " That the Bill be
now read a second time," and which Amendment
was to leave out the word " now," and at the end of the
Question to add the words" upon this day three months :"
Question again proposed, " That the word ' now' stand part
of the Question :"—Debate resumed ;—Motion made and
Question put, " That the Debate be now adjourned." The
House divided :

MINORITY-AYES, 8.

Carter, Samuel Pechell, Sir G. TELLERS.
Greene, John Scully, Francis Anstey, Thomas
Hall, Sir B. Stuart, Lord D. Sadleir, John
Keogh, William Thompson, George

MAJORITY-NOES, 54.

Archdall, Captain Galway, Viscount Pakington, Sir J.
Bankes, G. Geach, Charles Renton, John C.
Bell, Jacob Graham, Sir James Smollett, A.
Beresford, William Grogan, Edward Spooner, B.
Blair, Stephen Hamilton, Geo. A. Stafford, Augustus
Bridges, Sir B. Hamilton, Lord C. Stanford, J. F.
Brotherton, J. Heneage, G. IL Stanley, Lord
Bruce, C. L' C. Henley, J. W. Teunent, Sir J.
Butt, Isaac Hope, Sir J. Thesiger, Sir F.
Chandos, Marquis of Jolliffe, Sir W. H. Thompson, Colonel
Cobbold, J. C. Jones, Captain Trollope, Sir J.
Cocks, T. S. Knox, W. S. Tyler, Sir G.
Davies, D. A. S. Langton, W. H. P. Walpole, S. IL
Disraeli, B. Lennox, Lord H. G. Whiteside, James
Duncan, George Lockhart, W. Wood, Sir W. P.
Dunne, Colonel Mandeville, Vis. Yorke, E. T.
Edwards, Henry Manners, Lord J. TILLERS.
Forester, Colonel Mundy, William Adderley, C. B.
Freshtleld, J. W. Naas, Lord Deedes, W.