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London, England, 1852-05-15 00:00:00

TUE SUN,

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wfty from their 1.
emesend their businest, and cerepel-
Likeg them to put on' a red coat nod submit to drill ei hen
teeY ought to be et their looms and in their working
lacketse_([liar, hear, and laughter.) Then, when vo-
unteer service was propesed, they raised their of -Motion
that the Government wcre not performing their duty for
not having recourse to the ballot. These contradictory
jections ceme from the party who thee, all knew wished
the country to be conquered. The first objection to the
measure was, that they were drugging by fee ce men in
tact numbers into a position in which their morals
Would be contaminated, so that they would not be fit,
When they returned, to keep company with their less
Vitiated countrymen. But no sooner did the Secretary
e
f State intimate that if a large proportion of the num-
berso ofo men voted, though short of the whole number of
me,o
e.O men, should be raised by volunteer enlist-
raitecr that
Was'if
40,000 men (say) should be
Government would be contenced not to have
recourse to the ballot—immediately the Right Hon.
Gentleman turned round end complained the
smallness of the number—(Cheers)—sad stigmatised
and ridiculed the militia force, because it would not be
large enough.—(Cheers.) Si that hit high or hit low
11, D. Gentlemen complained of the it fliction—that in-
ilietien being neither more nor less than a material step
towards the defence of the country. He (Lord Palmer-
et 1n) bad shown to the House on a former occasion what
the opinions of one man, at least, were upon that ques-
tion. Some called him an anonymous idiot, others said
be might be looked for in Colney Hatch or Hanwell.
—(Laughter.) He (Lord Palmerston) now asked the
two Hon. Members tor Manchester whether they con-
curred in regarding the writer of that pamphlet as an
idiot, or fit to be an inmate of Hanwell or Celney Hatch.
If they said so he acquitted them of any participation
in the opinions of that pamphlet. But if there was any
equivocation in their answer—if they refused to disavow
all the sta'ements, all the arguments, and all the asser-
tions of that pamphlet—(Laughter)—then he should
be compelled to think that the object of their
opposition to the present measure was not the
relieving of the country from any temporary pres-
sure, but the working out that " pious fraud "
(Laughter)—by which it was hoped that this
country might be exposed both to the calamity of inva-
sion and coequest, as an atonement for offences com-
mitted in those offensive wars by which the independence
of the country was maintained and its liberty secured;
which liberty now enabled the Hon. Gentlemen to make
their opposition to the present measure.—(Laughter.)
Mr. BRIGHT said, the Noble Lord came to the as-
sistance of the Government on all occasions, with
speeches which, though not argumentative, were calcu-
lated to raise a laugh on the other side of thei House. He
(Mr. Bright) desired, however, to see the question
treated seriously, and not as an extravaganza. in which
the Noble Lord performed nightly. He (Mr. Bright)
started with the fact, that fi'teen millions bad already
been voted for the defence of the country. No one on
the benches on which he sat had opposed that vote.
The Noble Lord, however, thought fit to assume that
they had voted against it. That was the fovedation of
his argument for an addition ef 350,0001. more to the
estimates. In 1848 the Noble Lerd and his colleagues
pre ptesed a militia of 150,000 men. This session they
proposed one of 120,000 men. The Home Secretary
now proposed 80,000, to be raised by
a compulsory
process.
Mr. WALPOLE—No.
Mr. BRIGHT—The Right Hon. Gentleman said that
if 30000 or 40,000—which meant 35,000—we're raised,
he should not apply the compulsory process for the de-
ficiency of 10,000. This was a very considerable reduc-
tion. In fact, the entire force had been frittered away
Until it actually looked quite ridiculous in the eyes of
its supporters. The Noble Lord wanted him (Mr.
'Bright) to bind himself to the principles of the pamphlet
ho had quoted; this
'decline to do. however he (Mr. Bright) should
Extreme opinions were likely to be
' held cn both sides; but ho certainly did think that if
there was to be any enthusiasm at all on the subject it
should be in favour of that which stimulated to peace
and not to the atrocities of war. The 1 enguage and
conduct of the Noble Lord he respect to this Bill re-
flected very little credit upon him; but it was quite con-
sistent with the course of the Noble Lord on the sth
of December to stand up and ridicule those who advo-
cated peace in preference to war. The question at issue
seas in this position; on the second reading of the hill
it was opposed by the representatives of every large
1 4?vve Great Britain. The Nobi" Lerd sometimes met
is constituents at Tiverton; he (Mr. Bright) should Ike
to
know how he would justify his conduct on this oeca
sion. The Bill was supported, on the other hand, by
the county Members; and he (Mr. Bright) had heard
that the distribution f the bounty among the agricul-
!ural labourers was considered an object that might be
its octant. He (Mr. Bright) believed that if the Bill
passed it would not only be inoperative, but injurious,—
like another Bill that had passed last year by a majority
of 490, and which was not only carried into execution,
but which threatened to dismember the empire.
Mr. S. HERBERT wished to calm the apprehensions
of the Hon. Member for the West Riding of Yorkshire
respecting the sack of Devizes which he had narrated to
the House. He had left it only within the last few days,
and it was a perfectly peaceful, orderly, and well-regu-
lated town. The proposal was to take 50,000 men this
Year, and 30,000 next. He thought that the Govern-
ment would have done much better not to fix in the
clause the number of mon to be taken in any year, but
to leave it to her Majesty in Council. The Govern-
ment, however, had, in his opinion, exercised a wise dis-
cretion in not having recourse to compulsory enlistment,
if the number deficient did not exceed 10,000 men.
Captain TOWNSEND was opposed to any Militia
Bill, whether of the present or of the late Government,
because he thought they would be inefficient to meet the
force that might be sent against them. The measure
Would not be popular, and it would be useless. The
" wooden walla" were the national defence of England.
By employing a sufficient number of ships and having
an adequate reserve all prospect of danger would be
averted. At the same time, to prevent the possibility of
the slightest surprise, he hould have no objection to a
small increase of the army.—(Hear.) Her Majesty's
Government asked forbearance and confidence; he con-
sidered they had had forbearance enough, but they
should not have his carifideece. He had heard the budget
of the Right Hon. Gentleman, and he judged it to be a
free-trade speech; but a night or two after the Right
lion Gentleman denied he had said anything of the
kind. Therefore, he (Captain Townsend) could not
give the Government his confidence when the Chancel-
lor of the Each, quer came down to mystify and stultify
the House, and act the part of a political Maw worm.—
(Oh.) It was all very well when the Right Honourable
Gentleman was at that side of the House, but it west
unworthy his character and his high position. The
Right Hon. Gentleman had hunted down his (Captain
Townsend's) late colleague, who would have the bles-
sings of ages yet unborn; therefore, he should not have
his (Captain Townsend's) confidence.
Mr. W AKLEY said the House was told the force to
be established was a new force; but though the ground
for its establishment had been asked, it had never been
told Parliament. At this moment the rental of the four
metropolitan counties was absorbed by the defences of
the country. If it was not in a state of adequate de-
fence,
then the blame rested upon the managers of the
state, and upon the Noble Lord the Member for Tiver-
ton among the rest. He (Mr. Wakley) had hoped that
the Noble Lord would be an economist—nay, he bad
hoped to see him at the head of a Radical Administra-
tion; but that hope was now fled, and the Notde Lend
would, from his course on this Bill, bee me one of the
Most unpopular men in the country. Why did the
Noble Lord remain a member of a Government which
had so comeletely neglected the defences of the coun-
try? He warned the Government that this measure
would annoy, most of all, their friends the farmers, by
making farm labourers scarce, and farm labour conse-
quently more comb,. After thirty-seven years' peace
he regarded the proposal as one of the most wanton
ever made to Parliament, and he should give it every
opposition in his power. The ground of fear of the
Empire in France was gone; so were all the other
grounds.
Lord PALMERSTON begged to say one word on the
charge that he had only opened his eyes to the necessity
for this force, and to the danger of the country, within
the last few weeks. The contrary was the case. During
. the Administration of the late Sir Robert Peel, he had
earnestly urged upon the Government to take into their
. most serious consideration the then defenceless state of
the country; and he believed that his representations
had the effect of inducing that Government to act with
. greater promptitude in the matter. During the whole
period in which he (Lord Palmerston) was a member of
. the late Government he had strongly urged on his col-
leagues the necessity for strengthening the defences of
the country, and though the measure for that purpose
was not proposed until he lasi left office, other precau-
tions had been taken to that effect, and he was happy to
say that the defences of the country were now inadhife-
ferent state from that in which they bad been when
first called attention to the subject.
Mr. HUME referred to a speech of the Noble Lord
Which stated that there had been a decrease in the army
from 1839 to 1848. What was the Noble Lord and his
colleagues about to reduce the defences of the country?
heenntaiet was the advocates of the measure shifted their
they Perpetually It appeared to him (gr. Hume) that
reason. Re h
eY weve going to-vote this force without any. adequate
tion---the
oawnedvehre, would keep to his original objec-
than the 15 0
, 00,000 j would not vote a shilling
tisue
of the absolute reeee already voted until he ..maorde
was
satisfied
of the absolute tieeCiijty of the measure. He wished to
prevent the waste sfsity of the measure. He wished
of the Exche nor oChancellor
the surplus which the
the public reliefcl wouldf be enabled to appropriate
the
country was against taxes. The feeling of
meat would be th rtohme Militia Bill, and that Govern-
effectually relieve e most popular which would most
the taxpayers. Ile considered
that the present
guilty partieswith Government were now the only
Noble respect to the Militia Bill, for the
Lord (Lord J. Russ( II) had absolved himself from
guilt by giving up the Bill altogether.—(Hear.) He
could not think the -present Government would copy the
dcriegs of the last Government. They would not, he
• was satisfied, pass Ecclesiastical Titles Bills, and then
become
to carry the
laughing stock of the country for abstaining
out the provisions.—(Hear.) He considered, if
the Militia Bill was passed, it would never be carried
out •
, arid he therefore haplered the Government to pauee
before they
would produwer t further with it. It they persevere d, it
beman the u"Phpulierit) ; and the Right Hen. Gen-
eeeine
anChancellor the Exch, quer must look to
not:lepettular Minister.
The
peared--- se was cleared for a division, when there up-

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Sir H. VERNEy .next
navoevr.l..drato
ufferiug a i,ouuty 0 r,
-"eitufb, t
if there was auy real d. rof that a-
omit. the
portant the whole ab,e-b,.dted puhr,iou sh"lit Ibe
Pul'
under training, for he was satisfied,
actually threatened, th people would. readily volunteer
if hostilitiee wero

without the bribe of a bounty. The whole TT plue of tha
system of militia depended upon good officers, and if the
mtlit'a ware without the sense of osier nod tnhordina-
tien, no matter whether they were efficient or ron-
e flicient, they would be a curse to the country. If las
_will prevailed, he woxid not permit any man to enlist in
the militia unless he could read and write. He was sa
titfiecl it a bounty was elven that Government would not
get the proper sort of men, as men of respectability
would reluse to stand in the ranks with men whose oalt
inducement to volunteer was the temptittion of the
bounty. There were 2,000,000 of militiamen in the Uaited
States enrolled 'without bounty.—(No.) lie asserted that
was so, but then he admitted enrolment was com
pulsory— (Hear)—and every man must serve in the mi-
litia in America. If they refused to serve they were
fined.—(Hear.) But there was the fact that America
had 2,000 000 of volunteers without any bounty. his
argument was that a better class of men would be ob-
tained without than with a bounty. He fa gged, there-
fore, to meve the omission of all words from the clause
which had ref' trance to bounties.
The Al TORNEY-GENERAL said the amendment
of the H. Member was to emit everything respecting
bounties in the Bid. The Gentleman anticipated
that persons would be so extremely eitsm,ured of the
service that persons of a superior class would be
found pre suing forward to enrol themseNes, and there-
fore the Hon. Gentleman .was desirous altogether of
omitting any inducement to serve, except by voluntary
enlistment. The allusion to America was unfortunate,
for there the enlistment was not voluntary, but compul-
sory, under the penalty of fine. The principle of vo-
luntary enlistment it was not very expedient to adopt,
if tip), might judge of the way it had been tcated in
America. The bounty proposed to be given, in the
present Bill was exactly the some in amount as
the bounty given in the 42d George 111. The
militia of that period were obtained by the
bounty of 61.; and what was then accomplished
was expected to be accomplished again. He
would ask the House to see how inconsistent would be
the position of the Committee if they adopted the
amendmint of the Hon. Gentleman. They had over and
over again heard it stated that the ballot was a most un-
popular measure.. And why? Because it would force
men into the service, and because men disliked the ser-
vice. But the Hon. Gentleman, by his amendment, said,
" You don't want any bounty; the service is so attractive
you will find more than a sufficient number of men to
supply all your wants." But Government were not of
that opitdoa, and U .n. Gentlemen on the other side were
not of that opinion—they said the service was unpopular,
and on that account they wished to avoid the ballot, pro-
vided they could get men by voluntary enlistment, Go-
vernment believed the service would not be popular
without some attraction as a bounty ' • and as they desired
to resort to the wallet • only as a last resort, they said
they would O'er a bounty to induce persons to volunteer,
believing, by that means, the quota would be made up.
The toady question therefore for the House to decide was,
whether they would agree with the Hon'. Gentleman
(Sir H. Verne)) iu thinking the service was so pleasant
that - men would volunteer readily, or with the Hon.
Members for the West Riding nod Manchester, that
it was so unpopular that men would not be got with-
out the ballot. _ _ _

Mr. HUME believed that all young men, in ease of
danger, if they had leisure, would enrol themselves
gladly without a bounty. That would be the best way
to inculcate a martial spirit io the country, if such should
be considered desirable. He wanted, however, to avoid
that. He wished the Government would allow young
men to enrol themselves as volunteers. He was certain
a sufficient number would present themselves. He be-
lieved that offers had been made to the Government from
different parts of the country by persons anxious to form
volunteer corps, and he wished to know why those offers
bud been refused.
Mr. MO WATT thought there was not much chance
of obteinine the proposed militia force without- a bounty.
It the late Government had nut brought in a Militia, Bill,
but had permitted volunteer corps, a formidable force
would have been raised.
Mr. GIBSON thought the Bill was rather roughly
treated by its Mends. The Hon. and Gallant Member
fur Bedford wished to get rid of the bounty, arid the
Hoe. M, nab r f r &Jet Lothian (jected to the ballot.
He objected to expeedieg 500,0004 for a flee which
they might not be. able to ass, mble. He wi,hed to know
how a man who took the bounty and absolved himselt
fr m drill would be dealt with. Whet would be the first
etee of proceeding agaitat such a mina?
The AT I'ORNEY-GENERAL—Catebing him.
Mr. GIBSON— With regard to the militia of the
United States, he had to remind the House that the
standing army of the United States did not exceed 9,000
men. The militia of the United States was a mere mus-
ter roll of the able bodied inhabitants, and any man
might absent himself from drill by paying the small flue
of 75 cents. In point of fact, the decadence of the mi-
litia system in the United States was notorious.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment ... ... 55
Against it ••• ••• ... 95
Majority
... —4O
The clause wastleenagreed to.
Ou cleuse 11,
In answer to Mr. GIBSON,
The ATTORNEY•GENERA.L said that if any man
took the bounty, and did not attend drill when called on'
he might be taken before a magistrate, fined 101., and in
default of payment committed for• six months to the
the House of Correction.
In reply to Mr. RICH,
Mr. WALPOLE said, that with reference to the pay-
ment of the bounty, the clause gave a power to the
Secretary at War of making such regulations as he
might think fit. There were certainly objections to pay-
ing the 61 all at once, and unless a discretionary power
was given the Secretary at War to regulate the payment
of the bounty, there would be some danger ot losing the
money. Government expected that a sufficient force
would be raised by the offer of 31. or 41. pair down, or ot
a payment of 2s. a month. He believed that recruits in
the army were paid 41. on enlisting, but that 31. Bs. was
deduced for their kit, so that only 12s. went into the
pocket of the soldier. In 1831 there were raised by
bounty in Middlesex 770 men, and to 700 of these the
paj went was made subsequent to service. If that was
done in 1831, he saw no reason why it might not be
done in 1852.
Mr. MO WATT wished to have some estimate of the
probable expense of the militia in respect of equipment.
He also wished a more explicit answer as to the mode in
which a man would be dealt with who took the bounty
and did not attend.
Mr. WALPOLE thought that the answer of the At-
torney-General on that point was explicit enough. If
the man did not appear when required, he would be lia-
ble to be treated as a deserter.
Mr. RICH moved an amendment in the clause to the
effect that the bounty given to men in consideration ef
their enlisting in the militia should in 110 case exceed
that which was given to her Msjesty's regiments in the
line. Under the clause as it stood, a bounty of 61 might
be given to persons entering the militia, or the bounty
might he bestowed at the rate of 2s 61. a month,
which at the end of five years would amouut to 7/ 103.;
and that sum if granted to each person in a force of
80,000 me u, would lead to a total outlay of 600,0001.
Now, he thought that that would be an extravagant
sum to pay in the shape of a bounty to militia re-
cruits It was true that the sum of 61., or 2s. 61. a
month for five years, was the maximum of the bounty;
but he believed that uneducated persons always consi-
dered a umx mum in such cases as the sum to which
they were fairly entel- d. He believed that that arrange-
merit would seriously interfere with the success of the
recruiting serg, ants for her Mejesty'e service, whocould
ufler a bounty .ot los. only to each recruit.
Mr. BERESFORD said it was hot at all intended
that the bounty should necessarily be so high as 61.,
and that sum had only been selected as a maximum to
which it might be possible to resort in some extreme
case. The lion. Gentleman complained that the bounty
to the militiaman was to be higher than that paid to the
soldier in the line. But it should be remembered that
the regular sol ier obtained for himself a pi rmabent
provision, while a person entering the militia was only
temporarily engaged; and it was customary in every
brunch of business to give higher payments, in propor-
tion to the time of service, to persons who received tem-
porary engagements than to those who were permanently
employed.
Sir DE LACY EVANS said he thought it was but
fair that persons temporarily employed should receive
higher remuneration than those who got permanent en-
gagements. But that priciplo ought to be confined to
the fixed pay, and ought not to be extended to the
bounty in the case then under their consideration.
Mr. STANFORD thought, as it was generally ad-
mitted that this was nut the most efficient force that
could be formed, it ought to be made as economical as
possible. He could not understand on what principle a
cu
iii unman could receive more than a man enlisting in
the line. With
regard
to the payment of the bounty,
he was of opinion th a much better class of men would
be procured by payingobe-feurth of the bounty on en-
rolment, and the remainder on the completion of the
service.
bRICH said that his object was to prevent the
militiaman occupying a better position than the regular
BRIGHT asked whether the bounty would he
disposal of the parties, or whether any
soldier.
Mr.
BR
thoroughly at the dis
deductions would be.made from it?
Mr. BERESFORD said that a militia recruit would
receive his bounty in _money.—(Hear, hear.) Hie
woulduld
be provided with certain articles of clothing, and would
not, as a matter of necessity, have to expend money for
kiseps*eks, Etc.
Colonel RAWDON regretted the present disposition
of the Committee to exalt the militia over the regular
It was a serious pewter when the militiaman
service.
his oshe whole amount of h
was to put la p •ket t
soldier, after the usual dedt
bounty, whilst the private
himself in possessiontlof
tions for clothing, &c,, found
about 12s. or so.
Captain BOLDERO said that Hon. Gentlemen did not
t really meant. A sufficient
seem to know what the boun y
a s ld c(l
vrlils.l army cou , ) -
number of recruits for the -
t at all. When troops
lotted together without any haunt at
kic
was
paid fur
were raised without the bounty h
from their pay; but
by the men by means of deductioilis
ot,
a beuny Wth
es these deductions were comelsi
saw: op rated with
given to cever the expenses p Want
men to Induce them to triter the army. lit, uY• .
01- ensplayment; secoedly, tollesstag eleploeue n •
p-
teetotal to them; thirdly, tremble, the ble, 'leddesire of a e
te
prentices to escepe from their master; tie ertoe. fo
inducement of the beunty. But elt men din the
full knowledge that they were vr.utute:itly
the servicn
I'. Mr. HUME said he still wished to know why the
etometeer prig eiple ,eat net mare fulls cs yell out.
Mr ev A LPOLE ahXI. a- to givo $l.. fullest
Inaeoll. It V,,!tla cv-r 1. qu en),
or ill Casa nt ail ttri asion, t- 't,ro ..r itemin ad, he
had no doubt that a force would be raised likely to be
more efficient than the one now under discussion, Dut

the oblint 4-41113!present Bill 7743 not 6. fai.t4i, a fOice
to acct an crtergoney. The obj,!ct wa% to provide
Ote nucleus of a force susceptible of being turned
into en army, not immediately, hut prospectively,
when cceasinn should require. Now, a volunteer
force might retire it ,in the service whenever they
pkascd, end would rot, therefore, answer the desired
purpose.
Mr. MOWATT considered the brmniy too high.
Captain BOLDER°, on the contrary, did not think
that men would be induced to leave their occupations
without a sufficient inducement in money.
Mr. RICH adhered to his opinion, that the amount
of bounty propoted, plus shoes, stockings, &c., was ex-

cetsive.
After some further discussion, the Committee divided.
The numbers were—
For the amendment ... ••• 99
Against• it .•• ... 164
Majority against the amendment... —65
The CHAIRMAN having put the question that the
blank be filled up with 6/. as the maximum bounty to be
given to each man,
Mr. BRIGHT complained of the heavy expenditure
which this militia force would throw upon the country.
He calculated that the expense of clothing, in addition
to the pay and bounty, would amount to 1,000,000/, so
that Government were in effect, calling on the country
for a vote of 1,000,0001. to defray the expenses of a force
which was not at all necessary, and to which the country
were decidedly opposed. He called upon the Govern-
ment for some explanation on this head.
Mr. WALPOLE said that the Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer, when he brought forward the budget, stated
that the sum required for the militia force during the
year might be put down at 350,0001., and credit was
given for that suns. Now the .Hon. Member for Man-
chester said that they were going to spend 1,000,0001.
on the force, implying that that statement of his Right
Hon. Friend was not the fact. The Hon. Member must
be aware that it was impossible the expenditure could
amount to 1,000,0001. during the year.
Mr. BRIGHT begged the Right Hon. Gentleman's
pardon. He had never said anything of the kind. He
hail multiplied the sum necessary for the year by the
five years, and stated what he calculated the gross
amount would be for the five years. He merely said
that the vote involved an expenditure of 1,000,000/. He
never meant to say that 1,000,000/. would be required
for this year.
Mr. WALPOLE said he did not mean to misrepresent.
the Hon. Gentleman.—(Hear, hear.) He was about to
say that the representation of the Hon. Gentleman was
not founded upon accurate facts, inasmuch as he had
certainly understood him to say that the expenditure
wold-be 1,000;0004 for the year. He would ask the Hon.
Member what was the meaning of his statement? Did
the Hon. Member mean to let it go to the country that
the Government were really- asking a vote of 1,000,0001.
for this militia force, or that it would cost that sum for
the five years it was embodied?—(Hear.) Now, he would
tell him the.whole expense of the force for the five years,
but it was right it should be known that such ex-
pense would be spree I over -the five years.— (Hear,
hear.) He had stated when ho first introduced
the Bill what he believtd that expense would be. He
had the-figures on the former occasion before him, but
at the present time he had them not. He thought,
however, be had the figures in his recollection. He did
not give the expense of the alms, for be believed that
they could distribute 50 000 guns to the militia without
putting any expense upon the country. The equipments
of the men, the pay of the officers, stud the sundry al-
lowances which would come into the expenditure of the
first year, would amount, supposing the whole force of
50,000 men were raised, to 210.000/..the first year. The
expense for the second year might be pat down also at
210,000/. Seeing, then, that the outlay for the first and
second years .would necessarily extend over the whole
tied he might put down for the third year 165,0004
(Here the Right Hun. Gentleman appeared to have made
some mistake in his calculations, as he hesitated for a
moment or two.) The expense would be 915,0001., ex-
clusive of the bounty-31. a man—which would amount
to 240,0001., that would make 1,155,000/, or say in
round numbers 1,200,0004—the whole of the expense of
the force for the first five years. It might exceed that
estima,c. but he believed that would be as near as pos-
sible the amount.
Sir F. BARING—WiII that include the counties?
Mr. WALPOLE—No; and perhaps I must add some-
thing for the arms in the second year. if it be not al-
low( d for already in the amount of 1,200,0001.
Colonel SIBTHORP made some strong observations
on the low insinuations of the Metnt,er for Manchester
as to Englishmen deserting for the; miserable sum of
3l __(Loud cries of " Hear, hear," and " Order.")
I B 0 was
but sorry
o couldt o b e
impelled
The CHAIRMAN hoped the Gallant Gentleman
would not use unparlismE ntary language. •
C
avoid
the
useit
scarcely
when he heard such libels on the character of the people
of this country.—(Hear, bear.)
tlon strongelST
language,l R
Sir F. BARING asked what expense the counties
would be put to?
Mr. WALPOLE said he could hardly answer that.
But if the Government were driven to the ballot the
bounty would be saved.
Mr. CARDWELL contended that before the ballot
was resorted to the full sum of 6/. would be given for
bounty, so that if half the number were not raised by a
3/. bounty the expense of raising half by 61. bounty
would amount to the expense of raising all at 3/.
Mi. MOWATT persisted that the expense would be
nearly 2,000,000/. •
The Committee divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment ... 80
Against it ... ... 186
Majority •...--106
The words " six ,pounds 7 were there inserted in the
clause.
Mr. J. BELL moved to report progress.
Mr. WALPOLE objected. It was then only half-past
eleven o'clock, and if the Committee would consent to
sit a little longer, be, on the part of the Government,
would agree not to proceed with any of the compulsory
clauses that night.
Mr. MOWATT supported the motion for reporting
progress, on the ground that the House had already been
in Committee six hours and a half.
Mr. GIBSON said there was one important matter
which it was very necessary the Committee should cen-
sider with the utmost care—he meant the list of exemp
dons. Before proceeding to enact that compulsory mili-
tary service should be resorted to, it was only right, he
thought, that they should decide who were the persona
liable to serve, and clearly define the exemptions.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—The
question now before the Committee was whether they
should stop their proceedings at this stage, it being only
half past eleven o'clock. As to the statement of the Hon.
Member (Mr. Mowatt) that they had been sitting on the
Bill six hours and a half, Hon. Gentlemen on both sides
of the House must know that it was necessary to be pre-
pari d on important questions to undergo much greater
fatigue than that. Besides,' the Committee had not
shown any symptoms of fatigue, and as it was really an
early hour, the proposition to adjourn was, he thought,
a canton one.—(Herr.) With regard to the information
required by Mr. Gibson, that was a point which did not
arise on the present clause of the Bill.
Mr. BELL, at the suggestion of Mr. Bright, con-
senting not to press his motion to a division,
The clause, as amended, was ordered to stand part of
the Bill, as were also clauses 12 and 13.
The House then resumed, and
The CllAlRMAN.reported progress, and obtained
leave to sit again.
POOR-LAW BOARD CONTINUANCE BILL.
Sir J. TROLLOPE moved the order of the day for
going into Commito e on this Bill.
Lard D. STUART objected to proceeding with the
measure at that te•ur of the night (twelve eelock).
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER feared
it was too early to adjourn business, as it was not yet
twelve o'clock, and there were many orders on the
paper. However he would not press the Bill, as it
seemed to be objected to.
The Committee was then postponed till Thursday next.
The Stamp Duties (Ireland) Continuance Bill, the
Property-tax Bill, the Registration of Deaths. Births
and Marriages Bill, the Turnpike Roads (Ireland) Bill,
and the Commons luclosure Acts Extension Bill, were
severally read a third time and passed.
On the motion of Sir J. PAKINGTON, the report
on the Passengers Act Amendment Bill was brought
up, and on the proposition that some amendments be
added,
Mr. CARDWELL was unwilling to interfere with
the business of the House' but he objected to their
taking another stage of the Bill, more especially when
a variety of new matter was about to be introduced in
the shape of amendments, which the House had had no
opportunity of considering.
Sir J. PAKINGTON had no objection to have the
amendments printed with the additional clause which he
proposed to introduce.
The Bill was then committed pro forma, and the
amendments ordered to be printed.
The Suitors. in Chancery Relief Bill went through a
Committee.
KENNINGTON-COMMON IMPROVEMENT, &e.,
BILL.
This Bill passed through Committee.
BOROUGH OF WINDSOR.
A new writ was ordered to issue for this borough, in
the room of Major-General Reid, deceased.
The remaining orders were then disposed of', and the
House adjourned at a Quarter past One o'clock.

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