The Sun.
London, England, 1852-03-15 00:00:00

THE BALLOT.

On Saturday, at the meeting of the Marylebone
VestrY;
t hose request the motion of .
Mr. Nicmoux, at .whose
Michie, carried by a considerable
,majority in the vestry
the mode of
poor from
vote by ballot to
electing guardians of the d for
open voting, had been postpone confirmation, now
minute be not confirmed. rose to move that such in . He
on the previous Saturday, for altering
felt that the decision which the Vestry of Marylebone
had no desire at any time for factious opposition, but he
had come to on the
incon-
sistent with its antecedents, and . many gentlemen,
waited on him during the
members of the vestry, had
at it, be w -
week and expressed their surprise
in favour of ) he
of testinga 3
desirous
of giving the vestry a fair opportunity. y their
previous Saturday
as was 80
great
change sought to be effected.-0.1
votes whether they were really
ear, near. He be-
effect would be intimida-
tion, that the object and the
this principle, he would
tion, and if they affirmed paper for the abolition
himself put a notice on the
that the consistency
of of the ballot altogether,
inordershould be really tested.enn-
of the vestry of Marylebone
'non-confirmation.
He GuoTE seconded the motion for
•
the
ballot at all times of He was an advocate for
ita,a
estimate a his
own
per-
sonal election.—(Hear.)
Adinf2ferent from the:estimatet
qualities was generally very .
public body might form of him,
and the open voting pro-
posed would involve great difficulty
and engender much
ill feeling. The ballot enabled a man to vote for others
1 bl to fill the offices''
to
aua e
whom he considered the
most
tnrdidates without any bias
which they aspired as candidates
whatever. He could then give a free and independent
but if they adopted'the
vote without any bias whatever, _ _ .
. . that the vo
tes
would see
systenrof open voting they
oblige friends or for fear
g_
thus
I dt
the moat in-
of giving offence to individuals, an
efficient men might be returned •
—(Hear.)
Sir PETER LeuttiE wished Vgoast India House and the say a word or two as to
the mode of voting at the --- •
Bank of England, with both of which establishments he
was connected. The ballots which took place at the
India House and the Bank of ~
England were not only tor
.' H
individuals but for questions also.—( , hear.) To
theearthe be therefore consistent in a desire for_ ballot,
tves-
try of Marylebone should carry it out invo voting upon
l
questions also.---(Hear, hear.) They might just. as well
say the House of Commons ought to give their votes
by ballot—(Hear, hear)—and then how would the con-
stituencies know how their representatives did their
duty?-(Hear, hear.) That vestry, like the Houseo
Commons, was a representative body, and their
_ consti-
tuents had a right to know how they voted.—(Hear,
had hear.) He (Sir Peter Laurie), whenever he
for
the at-
temptedit, had succeeded in substituting open. voting for
was no
the ballot. In the oorporation of London there ballot, neither was herein
.t.br county of Middlesex.
Why, then, Should that, the representative vestry of St..
Marylebone, be afraid of their constituents knowing how
they voted, and shelter themselves under the ballot?—
(Hear, hear.) He should support the confirmation.
Mr. M'EYILY could not giva a silent vote on the sub-
ject. This experiment in sigting the lists and scratching
out names had been tried in the vestry of St. Pancras,
and had set all parties together by the ears. He would
certainly prefer open voting by show‘ of bands, but the
ballot had worked well for years in that vestry, and there
was no jest reason to dieter!, it.
Mr. ADAmso* supported the confirmation of the
minute. - .'
Mr. MicntE, in the case of constituencies, Was a stre-
nuous advocate for vote by ballot, but it was most unfit
to be used by representative bodies, and dishonest into
the bargain, because it led to deceit, and prevented the
ognatituot body coming face to face with a representa-
tive, and see whether, he had acted honestly or not.
Mr. CLEMENT GEortuE would reiterate the observa-
tions he bad made On the previous Saturday in favour
of open voting: The, only wanly coarse of English-
men was to . be open' and straightforward. The ballot-
ing in clubs had been alluded,to. They were mere pri-
vete societies, and had no analogy with public represen:-
tativehodies.—(Hear.)
Sir ..TemES,II.4.MLLT9N would never consent, 'in any
form, or, on any occasion, to give his support to the
pusillauimities of the, vote by ballot,—(Cheers, and Oh.)
It had been,said this apse voting question had been
brought forward from a feeling of annoyance, by a de-
feated candidate who felt sore. It could not mean him
(Sir, James), although it was well knoWn he had been a
defeated candidate several times_,(Cheers and laughter)
—but he never felt sore at the many thousands who
voted againstlim.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. Honems, upon the principle that taxation and re-
presentation ought to go #
together, considered that, by
right, the ratepayers them i
se'ves ought to elect the di-
rectors and guardians of the Peor—(Hear)—but as the
nt
Act of Parliaeuthad placed that ppwer in the hands of
the vestry, the r s
exerc iatesed.—payers had certainly aright to know
how it wa(Hear.)
Colonel BAGNoLD should 'tote in favour of the .ballot,
and against the proposal for open voting, because he
thought it was brought forward as an act of intimidation.
—(Hear, hear,,and No, no.) i He cared not one rush,
for himself; be would always vote independently—
(Hear)—but that was his conviction.
Mr. SODEN thought the object was .mischief, and to
enable certain gentlemen to say to the members of that
board—" You support such and such a party , but -you
see they scratchediourname aut.".._(llear,)
Mr. MaisiwaniNo thought the mode of voting by
signed lists as objectional and personal, and calculated
to create angryfeelings and bad blood. Had it been open
, .
voting by show, of hands he would have supported it.
Mr. Strem,oNigi dud' Mr: SVI dlat +IR also opposed the open
voting, and , .
Mr. PoLAND'defeuded' it upon the principle that their
own conscience ought to rise above the feeling of either
pleasing or displeasing friends or parties.
ktr.;ISTICHOLAY 'replied; and on the question being put
and a division demanded, the numbers woe_
For non-confirmatiOu of the minute... . . 40
For confirmation - a.- ... ..
24
„
Majority for rejecting open voting and in
favour of ballot ... - ... 1
...

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77durin-
inefficiency in the vtoenttliaelaptiroonpoerf
promptly
order, however, not
of a JUDGE.
EKAtTtßheALOißlioDoifiNalleYs
on Tuesday,
g a' Walk for
murder, Mr. Justice ,Maule, who presided in the Crown
Court, complained of an
,a
ebgairlailis jviurayn-dbotxo
the court, and at once ordered all the 'windows" to be
officerdpened aliened;
ctarhisrieodrdienrtowas
effect.pro
being executed with the railroad facility with which his
Lordship thoughtajudge's command, should,he threatened
•to have the windows broken if his wish was not complied
withbe
p atissetrutper,
to asnodm to
gentlemanivall y orderedpla,asdbt 14? :tia.the top of
eccentric and extraOrdigary
H. Wil-
for that purpose. The Under-Sheriff (mr.
liams) explained to his Lordship that his order had been
aosnhoe:Lon4oT-hpleied with, and caused such a
it would .take
ta
wh heviopebnoluielbttdhniallntegteh Iltmaaotiidneouantsche s'eti SPh:al4 CiQ:deflirxdeseeherui peremptorilyteit.A to
itdheirse ordered tsh eL
sceneif ever, been witnessed
in any court of justice. The smashing of the glass, as it
elicited
came tumbling on thebee,ds of tha people below, and.
confusion as has rarely,.
peals oftoowfbals:anuatifgruhter which were in otonsequence
from the bar and the whole
_cour , produtsed A scene
which will long be remembered by. those who witnessed
win-
dows
order
the occurrence. His Lor4shiP,
evidently Wincing under
the ridicule which his eccentric behaviour had excited,
intimated, in not, the Most calm and dignified manner,
and at the same: especially down
time looking . upon the
bar,
that those gentle
men who wished to indulge in such
" indecorous" behaviour ha, d• better go and indulge them-
selves out of court. This rebuke had the desired effect,
and the busu
' .aess ' of the court was at once resumed with
Lincoln Times
its accustomed solemnity.— . •

trtEmovAL OE THE WOOD PAVING IN HOLM:011g,
The temporary deposit of large hillocks of granite blocks on
the edge of the roadway of that portion of High Holborn
altnated between King and Red Lion-streets, announces the
immediate removal of the .wood paving and the substitution
of granite, paving of a more substantial and durable charac-
ter, and better adapted to the, vast traffic of this great
thoroughfare. , The woloci paving had become lately so de-
cayed that it was actually use to drive over portions alt.