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London, England, 1855-03-30 00:00:00

it certainly was on the verge of danger. Hon. gentleman
attacked the Church, the lew, and the naval and military
departments. (Latighter.) Radicalism and the Reform
/3111 had been the principal ruin of this country. (Laugh-
ter.) This was his honest opinion, and be had but one
hope, one desire, and one wish. namely, to sacrifice his life
if necessary in the service of his country. (Leughter.)
Mr. FLOYER did not feel himself at all bound by the
example of those hon. gentlemeh who rested their areu-
: ments upon the interests of our large towns. Ho thought
the interests of laree towns, and large towns alone, had
been too much and too exclusively considered in that house
—(hear, hear)- and that, if the interests of the country
constituencies were to be.conei lereirat all, it was time hon.
gentlemen should stand up and endeavour to make them
.fielenowledged. There wan another consideration he wished
to submit to the notice of the house They were often
calied upon to rote censiderahle sums of money for the
111-,int.Tnal:ce of groat institutions, eueli as the British
Museum and the National Gallery, -which, being in towns,
to souse extent showed the principle of the objection he had
already urged. He --begged to ask, what building was
there—what institution was that—which could compare
with the uhurches of this country in the advantages, the
• comfort, and instruction that they offered to the poor man
for the exercise of his religious aspirations ? If they were
to give up church rates, he believed the greatest difficulty
would be found in keeping up the fabries of our churches
as they now existed.
Mr. MO \VBRAY opposed the motion. The hon. mem-
ber for Birmingham had said, would they show him any
great town where for some years past they had been able
to enforce church rates ? A return had been obteinedfrom
the house by the hon. member for Tavistock, which showed
that, iu the large parishes of this metropolis, since the agi-
tation of the present question, church rates had been
granted in a very great number of cases. He, therefore, de-
itied teat the popular feeling was as much against church
neon as had been represented. Ile agreed in all that had
been said on the present unsatisfactory state of the law,
and everdn be ready at the proper time to listen to any
reasonable change and compromise which might be pro-
poeed. He looked earnestly for such a proposition from
her Majesty's Government, in redemption of the pledge
which had been given by their predecessors in office. many
of whom were members of the present Administration.
Believing theie must be such a compromise, he would re-
cord his vote against the proposition..
Lord PALMERSTON—Sir, the question which the hon.
member for the Tower-Hamlets has brought under the con-
sideration of the house is beset with great and serious diffi-
culties.. (Hear.) The difficulties are of two kiwis,. It is
excee.tingly-difficult to maintain the law as it is; it is also
exceedingly difficult to alter the law in a satisfactory
manner. NoW, the difficulties surrounding e the present
.state of the Lew have long been felt. In the first
place, it
keeps up animosities between different religious sects, ani-
mosities iu every way prejudicial to the interests of the
Land, and, I should s psejedicial to the interests of reli-
giou—(hear) —end it 3suet tee admitted on all hands that,-
if an arrangement could be mule for maintaining and re
pairing chui-ch es without involving the question of religious
controversy, it would be a great blessing. -• (Hear.)
If,
then, for a long time, the meintenance of lurches has
de-
pended on the law, and if there had been differences in
the construction of that law, we had a decision not long
ago on the interpretation of the law which has mater illy.
increased our difficulties. When it is stated by hon. gey
ilernen opposite that the maintenance of the thbric of Me
drareil. is pert of the established law of the hnd, they
al-fool:1 bear in mind that, by a recent decision, there is ri,os
,such law to enforce--(hear, hear)—for the moment it is
derided that the levying of church rates must depellcl.a
the votes of the majority,-it is no -longer part of the w,
of the land that the Church shall be maintained by ?lee_
for it is optional to.levy them or not. lam sorry to noon
that antagonism which has been endeavoured to be raised
between large towns and country parishes. That con ieite.
ration ifshould not be mixed up with this question
eve we come to that, in those very parishes which lenr7Y
be the largest, and in which the church from its eed'ye___
way
.most need repair, the- majority mayb !Id rof.;
to levying the rate, and the church may " dwit
without any repair at' all, I think we must allen
that an alteration in the law is very desirable. (Hear'
hear.) How that alteration is to be made is a very serious
questi6n, and I would, therefore, bog to refrain, at tpetiProe_"
'suet mouleet, from pronouncing any decided opinion.roe.
that point.. It is said that tl e bill which has beeric!
wast
duced by my hon. friend is identical with that wbl_elic_..
rejected last year. I don't. think that assertion is gull (The
ous,
rect. (Hear, hear.) My hon. friend Lae shadooe.-heLb
he
indeed, he has explained very clearly, the.
proposes to substitute for the simple r.bolitipolnanof
Therefore, sir,
rates which he brought forwardlest year. lorn to
fullest free,
while reserving to the Government the shall cer-
deal with this measure as proposed, I
fur.
wie
(Cheers.)
tainly not oppose the introduction of the bill.
nroposition,
church
Mr. HENLEY said he would nut. discuss the ,
brit p
but would teem a his vote against it as th 4., ‘.
Mr. SPOONER, who rose amidst loud cries of
ven
by
vide," begged to remind die house that the reason.
tee_mee the
project—the total abolition of church !I'n to: place in
the noble lord (Viscount Palmerston) for entertaining this
alteration in the law, whereas that alteratiteou
to a
ilar
1853 , awl the noble lord spoke in übjec
proposition in 1854. that
by her Majeaty's
Mr. LUSHINGTCN expressed a hop
reasonable measure.
Government would set this question at rest is fair and
The house then divided— . 155
For the 'notion ....... ........... ......... 76
Against it ...................................-79
Majority in favour of the motion...
REFORMATORY SCHOOLS. s_
bring r
nAaD
billl E R 0
aL tit s Ispostub jpeec nt
°nay after the Easter recess, he should introduce ap3
sure for the amendment, in- some minor respects, of the
dan,htiosbsne'°rvtled.on
Juvenile Offenders Bill of last session. 'thfitotr, leave to
AGRICULTURAL AVERAGES (IRELAND). e
Mr. BLAND moved fur leave to bring a bill for the
better taking of agricultural averages iu Ireland.
Leave given.
PLACES OF WORSHIP REGISTRATION BILL.
Mr. PELLATr obtained leave to bring in a bill for the
registration of places of religions worship.
FREE SCHOOLS.

Mr. M. GII3SON moved for leave to bring in a bill to
establish free schools in England end. Wales.
After a few words from Mr. MILES,
Mr. WALPOLE expressed a hope that the Government
would let the house understand whether they intended to
brine forward the Education Bill of the noble lord the
member for the City of London on the day for which it was
set. down on the votes—the 16th of April—or whether they
contemplated a postponement ?
Sir G. GREY replied that the bill in question would not
be brought forward on the 16th of April, nor was it in-
tended to take any step in it until the return of the noble
lord who had charge of it.
Sir S. NORTHUOTE expressed a hope that measures
would be taken for the establishment of industrial tolled%
The great difficulty in the way of education was the em-
ployment of children at home. If, while children were
being educated, they were also learnt the rudiments of
agriculture, or of some trade, and enabled to emPl°Y,Sair),
of their time profitably, the scruples of parents woui ,
overcome, and the cause of education would be benefit a
and not retarded. (Hear.)
Mr. HADFIELD denied that there was such want. of
education throughout the country as had been asserle
No loss than 2,3U0, 000 children of the working classes wore
taught every week iu the Sunday schools, and the nionae—ru
the Government interfered by levying rates and tabla I°
temaintenance of schools, the voluntary course of
,ultinue.
tion, which was progressing so rapidly, would be
diately stopped.
After a few words from Mr. HENLEY and Mr. lIBT'
WOOD, leave was given to bring in the bill.
SEATS OF MEMBERS. ,
On the motion of Mr. MUETZ, was agree°. Ina, seld
member having secured a seat at prayers should be entitle
to retain the same until the rising of the lioasa.
HOSIERY MANUFACTURE. .islet
Mr. PACKE moved for a select committee to con.
the stoppnga of wages in the hosiery
Mr. Packe, Mr. Wickham, Mr. Cohbett, Sir Henry hob
ford, Mr. ehoothana, Sir Joshua Walmsley, Mr. Ing
Lord John Manners, Mr. Gardner, Mr. MandY, and „,rs
Bigg be appointed, with PoWer to send for persons, Papers,
manufacture—

Ana records, and five to be the quorum. core-
Mr. CRAUFURD opposed the appointment of
mittee. lie trusted that if the committee were granted, an
opportunity would be given to m:dre a fair appeiutwee were
Mr. FREWEN" said that as only 11 hon. Inewbe":n to
named, and as lo might be appointed, it vrould be OP--
the hon. mern)Jer for Ayr to propose other netn°s• ted.
SIr.PACICE thought the names had been fairly selecba.
He felt surprised at the Apposition offered by the
member for Ayr. a
Mr. GA.RDSER was not opposed to the appointme hers
a committee but he thought that the hen. men' I.
the n°
named were aecidedly of one view. Ho hoped

nation would-be posiPoned. were
Sir G. GREY thought it fair, that as the .11045".5
objected to, some day should be appointed for selecting::
committee. It would be more satisfactory if th° n°u'l

I tion was pus-Coone:lT --
sition to the aP:
Mr. PACKS saw no very serious oppo
pointment of the committee, anti as Easter was at hand
he hoped it would be appointed to-aio•ht.
Sir J. SHELLEY said it. was quite3cldear that the nanie3
selected would not be satisfactory,
were here be h tpeuecl.
hoed the committee would be pbs _ T.,,,i.r...
• tisfactory , an
After a few words from Sir H. HALFOED and .3.3-• .7
the'
CAN, a division was called far, but
r,none took PM ;
motion • being agreed to. • 'n a bill to
Viscount DUNCAN obtained leave to bring i .
as the holidays
shorten the time of .I',.rli
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
Alr. F.REWEN moved that on Thursday, the l9th day_
of April next, nnd every alternate Thursday till t end of
:tmentary elections in Scotland.
May, orders of tho day shall take precedence ohsnerse:
land that on Thursday, aof motions, without giving priority to Government°
..e
..
ate Thursday till the month of Juno the Govern
orders
uot
ordersh of the day shall
take precedence o' f other ortie
ot.
the 26th of April, and every alter-
and
the day, and both shall have fence of notices of ni ,
tion ; and that during the month of Juno.
of the session, orders of the day shall bolls
onettices of 'notion on Thursdays, and Government order
of the day shall have priority over other orders'
The motion was agreed to.
The oth • business
et on the paper was then diepo
and the house adjourned.
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