The Sun.
London, England, 1852-03-20 00:00:00

TILE SUN,

pr"Lg for Yin •••••••La.....
?rote an inquiry into the cause of the expulsion of
atlat th lnerS from cS .
Pr a"SWELL presented .8. petition from Cavan,m~°Z for protection to agriculture. ,
tii EYNOLDS presented a petition from some. of
if street Saiings Bank depositors, praying the
kitl ae to compensate them for their losses through the
Ord Of Me bank.'
Pike' • DUNCOMBE presented. two petitions from
ka, th e West. Riding, one in favour of the Phar-
-11 till, and the other against the Msynooth grant.
frka.4.WART presented, a petition, praying that_ the
amiss ma ii be-conferred on all persons purchasing
tto—ted annuities in savings' banks above- a certain
oMit,
4.51.
d JOUN RUSSELL presenting a petition from.
litZers SuElk, praying for the repeal of the matt

_ .
?strbi,sls4. J•o' NNELL presented a petition from a
ppirre.— y cea°M-plaining of a forged petition that was
ties*. et•ed last year trom.the same.placeageaqieisrtythe e Ee
laAe I Titles Bill, and praying for 1 i The
'''ll/Irlhie Member gave notice that, on Monday he
-1v1°,411 that- the petition- be. printed the votes,
'll the view of roundina resentedp 1::
from
ihStii:;LkYLES GRAHAM. a pet
" 'n Suffolk praying fepr the repeal. of the malt tux.
1 G.ROGAN' 'presented a Onion from Weather-
L° Yorkshire, against the Maynoo,b grant.
NOTICES OF MOTION.
h-r* REY /S gave notice that next Thursday
..he
1",.1i ask the Right Honourable Gentleman the be-
'etlirsifor the Rome Dvsrtment what provision was
11,1144411 the State for the religious instruction of t
Seotiiinndeatholic prisoners condued, in.the prisons o
ise,Siti.PE LACY EVANS gave notice that in going
tu-thr tnitit:euforfifiS,tlepFul,ilie should move a resoluta)
11.11,,X8ilultirOF COM' MERCE WITH. BELGIU.{,N.I. t
elder an THOMPSON wished to ask the ill. 4tiOty
njAhemPresider tof the Poor-law Board if thehad been
LeOmmeree b.tween this tiouritry and.Bt'lglum -
Nfied, andif wb,n it would bekid on thetable.
/dr-HENLEY replied in the negative.
posT.HURSE DUTY.
,Co6eI•SISTHORP wichi•d tb.ask Chancetior of
tt": Exchequer er. the compininis,of the ,post-mas-
relative en the post hone duty would meet with an
tAl3l"e' ensideratia, and whether he intended to give any
.4011- to his proposal to ,redude the'ditty of 200
17: "14' Which-- wes it present imposed on
1, ~.cummtitt fire,
slaw policies. - •
eEI ANC EDLOR •of the EXC HEQUER',h9gged
4:111.at"-• it was hiedtry .to take into consideration
4,,PPoisible -.him that etitild behijed in favour of s
lit . ' d'the• Hon. and Gal-
u Of 14,1att611. the Wag. ur .
kply7etnbeetiiditld not press hits for, a more ,definite
..
vat vomit, -
iii;An,LIT. "EDUCATION'IN IRELAND.
e:'••"'TiB R.NE-aiked the SeCietary of Sta.te. for the
41(1411,ii-,ePsittneni. whether it was the. intention of her
Ittiet(letitusttnisterslto .propionsteotbeaPpointment of a Se-
, the system of national
isles a vieve'of introducing any
t 0 alteration in the principle of united at
itto;7l'th that System, was found;
k f
b. to move `for the appointment of' such a Corn-
eeo • -
r: re ziasterr
.k,,,,, Aa,POLE said it was not intended. to propose
it si(4,`-'eltritit.tee this session, and when it wash proposed
°/ 111 be for the purpoge of altering
t° 41114' PrrestietentiPfstenf'' priocipr
le
but to render It more ;titis.,.fac.9t
I+ nd heai.) •
Ins"Eit AFFEe a 0
A.R. Li OF ItEAL..TII:RILT..:..
0i
Nr•„Y.to Sir G. PE HELL,
-the EXCHEQUER. slid it
' they,
hr.rl64iii on,:ith this, AUL 40-411giu
- • f',
•• .
EP- ESTATES ACT.
ThvROAILLY,-ttsa
-41?tel,ANCEULOR•of, the EXCHEQUER, said 1,
r-r‘meci to continue thiefAct:.whietv exptres next
i'pli,tvrelseutenths longer.-(Hear, hear.)
Ig';;;',I3X;IO.IRISES (SCOTLAND)
,BILL.:.
, &PLY' t4l4r.kYsvvALD,,
41tlit;;•
_..ANOKENZIE -if he' olitainedun ?PlM-
gritkfitii.esss4ithietill before Esster., • ,
4)• 16TIth I'ARL ME:NT;
-EXPLANATIONS.
tile odEIX RUSSELL, whose. appearance was
°ls ,L,*zzti -ifor silecoe throughout the House,
01/),-7akiii....r,iiish to put gurstio? of
very great
Chi r*ee to th`e Rl2.- lion. Gentleman ?ppm o..th
nc..tii • H., ost,,iwili recntltqA.
'qt! h °r,of the Exehequer. Trip
titt,4(l-iltli,d,ty•taKin'ari4ver-to'a qup,tion,
/tated")tleni;l44 tii`(!:Secteisry ef §f,sie!or the Cohn,i,!,
141,:4i844::, that he had intended tti bring t r
odpC --(l4'.en with regard- tine dir.tr.ssint4 lfects
-
;" th'frr ro.,aseres' regulating the importatie,
hi 4°7; but b,i,„, -6,,nsei,,us that the Government
bgt • • minority iu that, House, be did
44 tuitik it proper to take that course,
11,
oh: endeavour to attain his object by
IA pa which he thought inost txpedient. H•l4tainM :further to sat/ that .he opieiun et,-
thtli with regard to the distressing effects
4itli ?S‘: measures' was tictianged-that both
tiNtitlieicioee to the. state of the and the
th-°4 of free trade, his opinion' rvt"l'd he same
kith were formerly --(Hear, ' hear.) He stated
that he received almost . daily accounts
*ktikll77 West India colonies of the distress
-"ted there; but he went on to say, " without
I all
thi 4ndifferent to that distress he had determined
th'' 1,4 qnettion, and others of the same nature, ought”
Okt-cilt fur the consideration of a future Parliament.
%.'l4wer With regard to the distress which existed in the
4,4";,",inn colonies, in reference to the policy pur-
hick Lee sugar duties, applies likewise to the policy
ha been pursued with regard. to the question of
4 I".'aws, and other questions of a similar nature.
141110,,---,ou3' will see, therefore,. that it is of the
'1114; importance that it should, have some assurance
subject.--(Cheers from the Opposition benches.)
k;i:•
t-leet roer to what took place, on Monday night. '
\'4l.tju"Y has in his recollection ,the speeches which
I,kt li 'llant,4tie hY the Right Hon. Gentleman the. Member
• l's-41 (Sir James Graham), :.the Member for the
LrircZraitY "1 Oxford (Mr. Gladstone), and the Noble
4411 the Member for Tiverton (Lord Paluiers-
pth jhe uostion which was asked me when
• Its:.-°•vernlra. ent, by Sir Robert Peel, in 1841, when
lots if" a minority in that House, as record, d bybiae
!!1:1 ti„,- the Rouse, I ask of the Right Honourable
-Ettle-ani viz, --,•whe,her her Majesty's Ministers
the l* Pared • ha .advise the Crown to dissolve,
l'-'1.161)413ent kartilment and summon a new.
ent with the least delay possible consistentwith
144; 'lard LoLothe, public interests inreferenee, to those
of 0-great and. urgent importance ? I trust
na sat gone tt°ll, Gentientin will give an. answer to that
P tir•o cheers and Hear, hear," from the
•-• ' ,
~ • ••
4'lsl'x/116' CFIII.IIsICELOR of the. EXCHEQUER said,'
"°1:11e Lord- has addressed to her Majesty's
fGr.ovetrbne-
()llt an uPtocedented question.-.(Loudcheers t.)
Ip:ettlistent ./banches.) Th 9 Noble Lord has referred
ho liteee4ol;4'-of .1841 when ho sat` en the Tres*ury
1 XO6 avni.was,.the le.cler of this Souse, but the Noble
listd wAI 400 v to remind him that.there, ►.a o°n-
-4table di ffklence DPI
lit • . the, position of the!! who_.
this 'amt tL N,A",le Lord 111
then period, tk"e -Q..vernme,,t bad been
tll eeedeiwied;by a votelolf this • 11,,0,,e- (Continued
Irons rle_h! )---and all the
,pre-
,tl(.l3,i
whi6h,si, • P. I_ rtic"arr,,.?, occasiem,
t4l't the pr.66i of
.874,
wire in a ainiilar
to :trlY.--(Hear, hear.) .1-113 all with !ere! cp
160 Ministry .that had been,LiCoenadr7,l3,ed by th:"
The Nob:evuLtuerdf
14 %se of, Ceeow°".-..‘'
ribed qu?stion 1107, "
• t fore, ought to dewed -(eh
%air . TiAir
Igytt 'tnr")rtant th are
11„ quill .gls,
,a,re:PlY •
kr\ 11,
I think it.hi.l4bls AlGe()9" t
mot pledge
il ,e that tt,!,,
4t to advise her ,3°v _eT
wd,,-(Gontlu
NIX! stated and '51"11° Lis
that tlle-Satno.cidarter'.) The L'l)°•e w Old
Nrid eitulatfinces suddenly in.
igt; °' iquifilko at (iv- pl.we 'Pk 7 At. the'
441O,''''"'hat'Per'h-SP's 'even - moat imertrticebe.
is ing that it
time have no hesitation iii in •"1.0
Giongriu*P
to Latbil'lntention .her Mal"tY • ii,ment
-uvitiii,her • Majesty dissoliet. this - Par
have
11,Ni '441? as those necessary , measures
measures
44,0 i\l'lssA soon LS, those h
4ts• pased .rather which are necessary for Ice,
Vet thv.-seatuity stud good
fg.
ti° m
decision
t4r,4r-teft.of her- ilaimk.-(Cheer4'). Itewoi.4 71o: "cyet h%
our
the"of liiiilt\etitithnt, e'ill bo ,v4ecte,d, thatA
the
ito4
of elan ps,diam„ nuy, be --taken ques-
It;141 of'':etrniltiente in the present 'Adratniisitratil toene:,
',peasures . which they w
l
Ihrt•
nt ,duty::) under . those .circumstances to
%`-,46ei:'11 -a% course of the • ,prefent year.-
Bott principally` frvin the-Gu*erument Side of the
f, Lord
_
On.
‘4tilt ItUSSgLIA-I wish to ask the Right
Whether hirincludee;
.in the words "'good
414au• 4411 t ;of the realm," the measures which have
luter,t'arred to with regard to reform in Chancerynct
eel 13ANCELLO.R of the EXCHEQUER-I do
•f,. %lied
*Pon to give any further . explanations.
"udi
..
till ter ind,Minrstertal-cheers.) , „
I.„„ttr°,?lTlNG A SAILOR OFF CALIFORNIA. •
ri44 e'rAl Mr. W. WILLIAMS,
4;44 STAFFORD entered into a lengthened ex.
ig(4l%uis'usa to this occurrence. It was true a man was
°I Wi, while in the sea, but it was exceedingly doubt-
tb4leir rthelt the shot hit the man. A body. was found
?IL ttlie ship the shot was fired from the next moru-
-411%1- it mast have been in the water some days, 11
sot have been that of the man shot at:
In TRE. OUTRAGE AT FLORENCE.
The-PAY to a question
thiq theIIANCELLOR, of the EXCHEQUER stated
4itacnslelidence in this ease had
.reached the Foreign-
It appeared to afford no Justification whatever

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for the outrage. A claim 'nod, therefore, been 'made , tended,-and that Hon. Gentlemen opposite' hid taken for
upon the •Tuscan Govergment for compensation, ard, it their motto-
" Unus qut • n ts ob. •CU nctando restituit rem." ' - •
was hoped that the claim would be freely met. No demand
He believed that they were about, to run the race, and that
'had been made upon Austria, but the Foreign-ofce3 lied
the Earl of Derby, knowing his cattle to be rather devoid
reason to believe that Austria would be quite ready to
had been made in Tuscany.. of speed,- but able to go through wgreat deal of dirt, was
support the claim that
about. to try what was known as a " waiting" race.-
. Mr: ANSTEY gave notice that on Monday he should (Laughter.) He hoped, however, they would not be gulled
put another questioo to the Right. Hon, Gentleman on in that way by a party whose principles were old though
this very subject, namely, whether it was the intention they themselves were new in office. He trusted . they were
of GOveroment. to use their geed Offices to obtain the not going to vote the estimates with the Protectionists in
withdrawal of all the'Austrian troopsp
, from the Italianpow who, on the very first occaeien, would either pro-
-, pose a *hied duty or make the public payi n some shape •or
States.-(A laugh.)' -, • . other.-(Hear, hear.) Ile' begged ' the House to look for
' ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE. .. one moment at the construction of the Ministry. Hon.
''
It was thehrigreed that the House at its rising should
Gentremen opposite had now the demure look of official
adjourn until Monday ',ext. , ' .. •• • men, blit they had been heard speaking in the. House and
, . SUPPLY. • out of the House-at clubs -at dihners - and at great gather-
The House then resolved itself into a Committee of
ings of farmers in Deuryslane. He remembered once going
Supply, Mr. BERNAL in the chair. , • incog.-(Laughter)-when he heard the Earl of Matinee-
Mtijor BERESFURD said ho would ask the House to bury make a most ferocious. Proteetiohist speech.; and when
show him a little forbearance on this occasion, as the es- the Chowlers and Jowlers congratulated the meeting and
timatds which it was his duty to bring ferhard• were not the speakers on the • great Britsprinle of
Boni'th cause, which
unless carried into ' effect, the eh wuld 'cease to
wee am le exist:- (Loud latightete) Was the question, then, of pro-
of hie'Preparihg. 1113 brqu set. for nerd the estimates et
P --..
tection to' be • Cushioned, or ' was the thimble-rig' to be
the late Government, Nit' he fChneilered there
-practised? 'The. farmers-Were beieinning to find out who
reason for asking the House to si.ncdon thh•
eosealt
se
.would
had been thus prepared. • Ho, he.q.;.cl t f _ were ' their real ftiends; and if they ready history at all
beer ,with him as he was .setering- just. noW, rum severe_ _
(Latighter)-they 'would' call to mind a certain Lord
Stanley •aint his conduct on a celebrated -occasione-that •
indisposition. The. House were aware pat the. army es-
&taws comprised 17 ,votes. all 'having reference to Cord Stanley who was 60 profuse of - his expression of
different .beenches of the serviCee It was his inten- attachMent and friendship •to Richard 111., and whose
tion to go men the 17 voted.`and tt would 'then be conduct ' Hume described as so equivocal that both
seen ,hat the most imp .rteet vote wss "-r anitioreesdre partieS were, puzzled at his proceedings; for he had ar'
number of men,. tied the charges', eeceseary to pay ranged 'matters so nicely- that,' he was prepared to join either
that increased Polisher The first vote was for the laud side. -(Renewed laughter. y' He theught the farmers Might
forces; the nUmber of ms=s: asked was 101,937, which versa refer to that' period, and ask themselves whether the same
3,239 over the number for 1851,2. .. The charge for the proceedings were not about to be practised by the Earl
•of
land forest; was 3;602,067/o being 80,99.71. snore thee lest Derby in 1852; which his disloyal mid treitherous ancestor
year. The next vote was for Muff 169.607/., beine 9,6,751. practised in 148 (Cries of " Oh:") The.thtiongizeatsv
in the blood, and, might come out. He 'wished
more thin feet eeer.• Thetis 's; vote fsr public heeert- Earlof Derby
whether they were prepared to pin the to
merits, 95 9571., being 3,2101. more than last yews • N, x- his statement of test year. If they were not prepared to do
the }islet -Military Ostler:l.7 1411., being 2401. m,yk• so, then, he repeated, the . country might rest assured the
than 'last year: Next vote, &Val' Military Asylum, Scc, thimble-rig would be brought into to play -(Cheers.) The
17.5361,,' being,' 4514. iess, thad.'hist year. I\Tcxt vok, the term had been applied by that Noble Earl himself to the
84 000/.'for volUntwer corps, belh.gr 19,000/ more than Government of Earl Grey, which, at all events, was open,
Ise telex. Che obar ge 0.. Wo al- consia! et re wao-bn i.,, in its policy. With reepect to, the preeent Cabinet, he
military seo,v ic,-,-,15 643/, Army pay of gent3rel officsre,d an amalgamated society of
thought they. might be carte
chairman Ofquarter sessions.- (A laugh.) There were elm.-
61,00010 'this latter '9,000/ more than last year. Th., . . , ' h 'ff • in
teen gentlemen leagued toget er-di ering many things,
iiegt votes would , ben for ;full pay for retired officers, but agreed itione-to raise the price of bread to tee poor man,
A 0,0004; half-pay anti --military allowances, 365,000/.;
_(Cheers, and cries of "Oh," from the
.Ministerial side.)
ioreign half pay, 36,9160; • witiews' eensioris, 119;3871.e If Hon. -Gentlemen were -consistent, such would be their
compseeionate allow eece, 83;oo01. ; in-p:,toious• 28;8151. ; policy; but he had a suspicion that they intended to throw
butperisiOns, 1,236,80311 and superannuation allowance; the farmers overboard.-(Hear, hear.) Like his ancestor in
:37.5001,, exhibiting ti decreese
.on the various i,e,L5 Of the time of Richard•lll., the Earl of Derby had appealed to
38,252/. The effsches feivion would require 3 986,3081. the clergy-eVidently in the hope that he might be able
The note ffdetive,,.2,024,064/ The real cause ut.' the le would
to govern without protection, and that the
.people •
- . support 'Min • because he supported the Church of England
increase was owing to the Kafir war. The estimates, ashe
ri ciples. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the
h.d stated; wereeorreed by his predecessor, .and,, io .hie lExachequer had been consistent. The Right Hori. Gentle Man
Opinioc, they proved that hie desire was to maintain the had always stated that the government ought to be con-
efficient:), of the service and the credit of the country. ducted on the territorial principle, and that ' the Govern-
The estimates seemed to have been framed with a desire ..ment had been constituted on that principle. There were
to pronithe • economy-an example which it 'would' be 13 Ministers-either representatives of great territorial
his ditty to folk.w. He censidered it • was necessary to possessions, or of agricultural constituencies. ' These 13-a
look strictly into every just and legitimate expense. He baker's dozen-were -leagued-leagued together for the
had in the eailieet•dea days ef his' manhood had the 'honour Purpose of putting a tax on the poor man's bread.-(0h.)
-
of nerving her Majesty abroad, and .he had found out ' • Let the House Consider how the rest of the Government
was cohstructed: There were seven county Members who
that there were two kinids of economy, a proper and a
represented exclusively agricultural constituencies. Theia
legitimate economy, arid a paltry sootiemy, or economy were ten of those who had the smallest constituencies in the
of a. pentiy•wise and pound•fnottsh character. He bad, country. To take 'them alphabetically, there was As-
learned that though ex,ravaganee might he injurierea te Abingdon-represen ed by the Attorney-General, whose
th- dunntry, that a false economy was metre rnisaie. .constituents numbered only 320, and to whom he had pro-
Your,- because it impaired the efficiency of 'a • service . mis P- so' fond were they of him-Abet he would never pre-
which, wnattv,,,r unit: ht be said, hed 'always upheld the' sent himself to them •again.(Laughter.) The, Right Hon.
honour rend dignity of the catnitret in a way Which, it it them again.tned Gontleman told them that he would noe gO to
g* The Attorne -Gensral-" No." The Right
slid not excite gratitude, ought to proveke admiration.
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in g
be hoped he she'll., Hon. Gentleman might have some legal quibble reserve,•
'Thee. paltry and dangerous economy h •
never practise.-(Hear.) As far, as,t e varioutidepart:
t ke the but did he mean to say that he would' go to Abingdon at
the next election? - The next' place was Chichester. Was
'ments were concerned, he would endeavour, to
tr3:l the Member for that town the kepresentative of a populous
service efficient, and at the same time to•secure. e cotn-
, constituency?,. Lid not "Dud " tell them that the Duke of
forts of the British soldier. ' He to move tne Ri •chninn , • e,s•
• thfluente •in that borough was paramount? So,
first vcitit of 101.937 tontine ' s • ••. . • in Buckingham-the inflieenets of the Duke of Beekingham
W WILLIAMS • objected th the.
Mr.' . in- • .. .
proposed. wee paramount. Then , therethe Secretary for
ore fish o ef that there was the Citibank with a '
• f tere ' army, 'sort proteste.. . s, constituency of 500. The
'fs ars which had re next was the Right Honourable the President of
no necesaitY • for - it. The.,,, .
cottutry anout . roreign the 'Board of Control, the nominee of Lord Exeter.
erode,' prevailed in the .
ncl, 'be hoped , the Cern- •--:(01.1.)- Did' any • Hon. 'Member presume to contradict
invasion , were groundleas, e •
e sti ed this'in'- "Doti ?"- (A laugh.) It was notorious that Lord Exeter
miptee.. would .hesttate b,.. fore they t!-;., 0: , iiii,4 owned the greater part of the 10/. houses in Stamford. With
Creased expense to the Scate•-(-1-40 ° n'an'''Y - regard to the Home Secretary, he thOught he should be in
•the , benefit ot; • an effi and martue service
cieut Racy the House, whatever place he represented, but hoped to see
looluding a .fitte . body of constabulary and ye.. him returned for a more important place than Itlidharst, with
' • • aud• these. add, d to • the only 300 electors, and under the infl.ence of Lords Egre-
maury cavalry force ,
._segregate force of' Mont and Digby. - TheSe ten Members' Were the representa-
tegele.r ' angry, nisde"ati •
then that torte tives-of only 3,020 voters; Honourable Gentlemen opposite
UpWards of 191,000 men. Surely, , •
..
had "ask for confidence popular - '
the coun,ry•- egathst theno right to
was amply 191,00 ?.o to prON?Ct -
sick and tired of For his own part he regretted that a direct vote' of want of
at.ecka of any weedier; but tte`
was
i fete bugbear, confidence had'not been moved.' He had no confidence in the
-talking eb :iie isivision; it h was a, C' Da' have eve, the Ministers. He believed they had none in themselves. If they
At all events, ebould it vete turn out. to .
.as,,
e,. .
had, why cid . they not declare the, principles which they
shad,,w of a 't6iindation,' the. force he had j , ,.
field professed in opposition how that they ' had been' placed in
set ibed•,would be found quite enough to gs into the power by the unpardstiable weakness of the Noble Lord.-
wiiie --(Deer, been) . ( Hear, hear. )• Forbearance had been asked on behalf of
m- their law reforms. • •
Mr. B: OSBORNE said that under •any other circu Lord St. Leonard's was not a violent law
stanaea than those which existed he should hive apologised reformer wheri a Member of that. House, but was a bigotted
Houle and the Tery, ancroppoied every measure of use reterm. As re-
`for the course he was about to fake, The. . '' sPeeteddhelegal members of • the Guverninent, ' the House
d a con ought were, however, • •placed M. :so' . unprecedented
(talon that he did. not feel , narrented . in, alf•ming the vote serted Sir Robert Peel; far deserted that statesman was,
to pass as a mere matter of course. F'rOill the answer given - , ," In his utmost need,
Noble
to-night by the chancellor of the Exchequer to . the Its
...y those his former bounty feed.",
Lord the Member for the city. of Loilden it- , did not appear -(Cheers and 'oh.) Law reform .might be Purchased too
that 'matters in that House were in a, more clear or more dearly, and he was not prepared to' sacrificee free trade to
satisfactory state than they. were in) on Friday night lest. it -(Hear, hear;) His opinion was . that neither men nor
lie was one of those Members who dissented from the course money ehould be granted till the Ministry diclered their
taken by the.N ible. Lord the Member for London in throw- principles.-(Hear, hear.) , So much for the English ap-
ing up the government in the way he bad dene It was poihtments. He' should not make any allusion to the Secre-
u fair, :.mettly because a local, militia, led by a fereign, tart' at War, for he was not 'in a
.position to make any
had • ,accidentally: , defeated ;,the., Noble Lord, that
general, . answer.--,(" Hear, hear," from "Meier Beresford, and "I'll
great principles should• -be ,endangered by minor dere- answer any q
:es ion.") ' If there was one appointment more.
Noble d
eences of opinion. .He thought the , Lord had
than another Which would disentitle the. Government to
acted also Luoadvisedly in naming the Earl of Derby as teemed respect it was that of the Secretary 'at War: s: (Oh.)
the only man, fit to govern the country, when there were After the speech of the Right Hon. Gentleman at die haat-
many other,Nohle Lords and Gentlemen, quite as able to lags. whe .he told the people ,plainly he • did not • care for
form. an Administration, which would be more. entitled. them, he thought he was not entitled to represent= a-populous
to' the support: of. the- Liberel party, and more ,popu ar . constituency.' With regard to the 'lrish appointments, he
with the country generally. He therefore dissented fron certainly rejoiced that there was' .no Irishmen in the Cabinet,
callidg Lma Derby to •the . councils of her Majesty, and, because that would'have been productive of unlimited' mis-
puttingehe powerful. but dangerous party on the benches chief to Ireland. If there wasto be a Lord-Lieutenant at
opposite. lie thought that an amalgamated party might aeepeeheblythe late appointment was 'as good a one as
easily ,have been formed, which• weild. have preserved free,.
could have been made; but when he looked to the appoint
.
trade ane effected useful reforms. •But now that Lord Derby
tents which had been made he had not much 'confidence
and gentlemen opposite were xeally in office, he thought on that .head. The appointrisent of Mr. Lefroy to the bench
they werg bound to, tell, the Howie and the country on what was most mischievous; and g man most opposed to the eye-
princi•ples , they intended. to conduct
,their Government. He tern of notional education had been selected as chaplain. Dr.
did not, therefore, think the present an unfitting 'occasion Singer, who had propotted the Right Hon. Gentleman. at the
again:to endeavour to worm ,from. the Hon., Gentlemen an list election for the University of Dublin,' was one of the most
the other side what the,principles ,were on which. they. in 7. . implacable .bigots against the• Roman Catholic 'religion in
tended to conduct the government of the country. What-. Irelind:(lean hear.) With regard to the legal appoint-
ever oipm,reeted on, the. late Government- he must: say- meats, he confessed that he entertained a feeling of great re-
and he was not one of their flatterers-s-they had at least, spect for the Right Hon. Gentleman. the Attothey-General
the virtue of being above-board, in the expression of their fir Ireland, but his 'dislike of the Rotnan Catholic religion
1- y andshad declared do_ the House and the people the was notorious, and he could not not be expected to -possess
po ic ,
principles. by , which
_.
they were guided. Their successors, _the confidence of the Irish people. - The' sooner the Reglit
• were a party of gentlemen, who had monopolised th them- lion. Gentleman was elevated. to seat On the bench the bet-
:elver the name of. -the Country. party.. They pretended to 'ter. With regard to the Solicitor-General he confessed that for
be more English than the English themselves. They were him also be had a great respect. But in that House the Hon.
now in power, auelebyet species_of. mystification were endeas. , and Learned •Gentleman opposed. emery measure of reform,
vouring to conceal the doyen foot ,of protection under the, and his • speeches out of . the House deprived him of
smock frock of • official reserve-7(A laugh.): Was that the confidence of the Irish people: Then there was their
hnst and open ? Wass it not rather what might-e Yen Secretary' for • the Treasury . (Mr.- 'G. AS Harald-
. tarilV-he "led a must shuffling and dishonet.ist tens - another representative of- the University of
Perhamen
course for statesmen topursue? He alid not observe t e Dublin. Now he (Mr.'Osborne) 'should. say that any Go- .
Chancellor of the Exchequer in his place-(Mr. Disraeli vernment that was 'so unfortunate as to have two repro-
entered the House shortly afterwards)-but he thought the sentatives of the University of Dublin amongst its prominent
"proper time had arrived when the Right Hon. Gentlemen members-could not be entitled; considering the opinions which
ought to tell them whether he meant to propose the question prevailed in that university, to the 'confidence of the Irish
of. protection in any shape-either as a fixed duty, or by people. lie saw the Noble Lord the. First Commissioner of
ti j •gelery-itt the shape tfecompensationsto the landed
A Woods and Foresta (Lord ‘L'Manners) stniling • that Noble
interest. As a, Member of a liberal constituency ha f9..uhn: Lord had'every reason to smile, because his Own poetical
no'fault.with theoalavation to potVer of :the Right, n .
d'd he '
while fire
come to pass, ad coinineree'wah at 'a discoUnt,
'Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer, nor 1
.. while theold nobility had got`it all theie own- way. They
bean, to throw in the teeth of Hon.'Gentlemen oppositiet
had heard the•Aciministration of' "all the talents," and be
that they were new and untried men. He was pt•etty ,dared say that posterity would remembei the " Aeministra-
convieced, however, that it required no great conjuror aftert
tine of all the squires" in the year 1852.-(Hear, hear.) But,
all to he. a Mioister of State, and that if a man' had moderate
for his part, be did•not wish to see in office men Whose con
abilities, .a respectable, character, and great attention,
if victions would run counter td their-actions ; and he- could not
might, even though a chairman_ -of quarter seshons, e, help stating that, if he were to give any support to the pre-
he,,had fixed principles, as well qualifie i for office as any
sent Government, it could only be on the ;ground that they
other man. Bat be that as it night, no one c,aticdoubtwere- false to their own profession's.' Of one of their number
that lion. Gentlemen ought to' declare the principles on
f_the Right Hon. Gentleman' the'Seeretary for the Colonies
which their Government was founded. As a M ember o
he
he should say that he believed him to'be honest in 'his
a Liberal. Constituency, he repeated, that be rejoiced at •
professions, sincerein his convictions, and incapable in. his
the elevation of the night Hon. .Gentleman the Chan-
actions., It was on these grounds that he moved the rejec-
cellor of the .Exchequer. - ' That 'Right Hon. Lee
• ride:hen
tin of that vote. -( Cheers.) '
had had'h hard game Co play. He had achieved his without
M
~
r. VirHITESIDE .'aid 'that, in consequence of- the re-
position by, no aristocratic connexion, . and net - •
some dislike and even distrust of ;those who had soap o
dleeex as-to the legal appointments of the Earl of Derby, he
him. ' heves that Right Hon. Gentleman V: ho had breathed •
felt it to be his duty to. rise. He was not certain whether.
into the party . opposite some spirit, Borne life-a lga vente
his Hon. Friend fancied that he was a proficient in the lihe
sort of life, to be sore-but without his genius theyneve•r
called ironical; but he had his doubts whether the speech •
would have been. what 'they were or
.where theywereo.-n
which they had just heard was conceived exactly in that'
( Hear, beer.) He rejoiced.iii the elef4tion of the It.ght El . •
severe taste, mid with that polished sarcasm; which he (Mi. '
Gentlemad,becautie it was a tribute to intellectual superiority
Whiteside) would have thought most suitable to that House.
uncoenected with any aristocratic party of England.i -(Op-
....
(Cheers ) -' He reverenced getiius where he met it-lie ad-
• ' cheers,)• He regretted, however, that the gti.
positionmired eloquence where he heard it-but lie thought be could
addition to great ability, shown . . . . . ... . . . , .
..
Hon. Gentleman had not, indistinguish between the &tine original and the miserable
more epetiocis andl frankne&A. He could not forget the elo- .
imposition.-(Great cheering) The .Hon. Gentleman hid
b* b• '
11 nt acer i y -to orrow express .. . • • • • • •
••
quest, audacity and the ue . . .
. • hag . crsed severely the •present Ministry On acCount of the
hns ef the Hon. Member for Bridport-with which e
legal appointments which it made M Irerand,•and which
Right Hon.. Gentleman bad pursued the late- lamented Sir
he said dittnot deserve and had not obtained the• confidence
lt,bert Peel.-( Hear, hear.) He could not forget the era- •
of the Itiiman Catholic people, or, rather tia lie understood, •
teens which the Right don . Gentlem Men ade on different
the Roman Catholic priesthood. [Mr. 11.'0111801tetx-"o."]
'
"ee""ese and regrettedthat 11 hed,net scted up to , ll's oen Now in the whole course of his life' he never tittered a
opinions and been more explicit, o iliis, What was the len- , , emelt to his knowledge, offensive to the ItoMilii Ca. !
)? BEM 1 i , .
guage used 13 • the '
Li 1,.45 .ie Right, Hon. Gentleman five years ago? .his ' '
tholic people. He had not concealed' opinion, and
.if
as t.,
always
Right Hon. Gentlemas• rising with his subject,
being a sincere Protestant, holding firmly the. doctrines of
Govern:Z(l'ld. declared that if we were to latiMi a Ovular
the Reformation, disqualified hini from office, he and his ,
its pony getasufsh old declare the principles on which
Hon. and Learhed F-mend the present Attorney-General for
Rig t Hors. Getu'itiried- (Cries of " Hear, bean"), .
The. Ireland, in common' with' many more- - Hon; Geiatlemen in
had at that, time • email. then went .on to state that they
e that House, moat for ever bedebarred from the pursuit of
bamboozle i One party
political middle-ma
n-a man w-° an honourable ambition.-(l.iond cheers.) If the, Hon. Gen- 1
taioed a position
to t•chictitl gel tie tired another, and who ob.. denim meant that no malt otightto 'be placed in office wise
that they should have no party not entitled, and cried out.
e would refuse justice '' to' thehltonieh Catholice of Ireland-
tenure.-(lleer.), Now, howeent3.,J,lUQStions, but fixity of who would tetiese to adeninisterOmpartially . any Wise . or,'
joined in . the chorus of What he dt4. Right lion.Gentlernan, •ust laws that' might be in existence in that country, or re-
cried:out that there should be no paetTrectsted in 18-13. and fusemeasure that might be pre-
Heand The Rt h Y questions but fixtt -
, to co-'u in any useful
good of that country, he (Mr, •
Of te,nure.,( e
forward g t Hon. G.entletnan was 8„: ' pared by patriotic then for the
trails boana to twor and declare the principles t.'"i;;' Whiteside) agreed with him that no such' •h ' man, ought to be
1 ' He
Government.' it. did not, redound
who
the credit of pliblic: appointed .to administer public affairs in Ire ands -( ar,
'meta that two or three gentlemen,ewbo a few weeks age hag hear.) He ' could' perfectly understand an Hon. Gentleman .
:given notices of motions revers'? of, a particular part or who had me decided convictions himself as regarded religt;
licy and on the subject of the adonisl system of
po ~educe- ous opinions-(Cheers)-satirising thoseWhe had, but,
_le
• .should- now ge •up osnwr
ton, thee oppositsideand declare, wanted to-know- what there was in the cohstitatioti, of this
that thoughtheigctinviction .. e
.unaltered, . they did not Country to disqualify any Protestant of unspotted character
he motions of which the
intend to ,bring for Ward t
. had ; end competent ability from holding office ? . Did pro-
•notice whoa in Opposition. Such course might be a , !
given ession of the ' Protestant, religion disentitle him to the
. who tooked for a fixity of tenure, but considerationof If *•S '' a ree ') So far from,
cunning one for men in te overeign .--e ear. ,
the last degree ' and wh Navinh off
for Ministers it Wahl•shuffling
as the d old- ' ,•,_,
this
tended his Roman Catholic fellow-countrymen, he.
the people of the country would regard. good
)d- had
life were '
o say in his justification, that when liberty and
fashihned. amusement of Thimble-rigging-(A
tlaugh at stake,' the humble individual' who was . then
addressing
that - genie was about, to, ,be played by the counarn-
Yd
gee-
th e man Catholic Gentlemen
was more thari once selected by Ro-
men . with Lord iDerby ,as their., con.ederate,
has
the He.was
not
come\ emen to defend bOth.-(LOMI cheers.)
public as usual were to be gulled and. plundered, ,w .
repoied in him.-(weethat he had abused the trust thus
Noble Lord and his confederates in smock frecks were play-li
Hon. Gentlemen that lie be 'And he could assure the
Lug the gaine.-(Laughter). The state of
.thipgs was such
he had the honour to wear,would rather 'strip the gown, which,
that the Gentlemen oetanite were botihd. to spee( out.. f i
• through, the mire of- faction. from his back, than drag it
knew that the reply would be that .... .opposition.was fat- ' man had eulogised the Irish faction,-((,beers. The
Hon. Gentle-
knew cheeei.). Echo answered there* Government. Now he ( Mr. Whiteappointments of the last
laugh.) He was not, however, to be- discouraged by hat
t. ~ far as Ireland was concerned, the late must say that, he
cry, for he had been long enough in the House to know that been reduced to a clique-that it hadeb Administration had
the cry of a factious oppositiOn was raised whenever Gentle- become
" Smell by degrees, and beautiful'
men opposite were contradicted. He cared little for what •
_(A laugh.) Every man that held the opiniony Jess." .
Hon. Members in that House thought of his conduct ; 'but • Sir Robert' Peel was excluded by th of the late
he cared a great deal for what the public out of doors•. thoughtem from office E
Conservativewas also excluded.-(Hear, hear.) ' very
of it.-(Laughter from the Ministerial eide.) He was Sure to which the -Hon. and Learned Member for Atilt party
he should not- stand worse with his 'constituents-(Renewed Keogh) belonged was likewise excluded. Geithitii -'a (Ma;
laughter from the Ministerial side)-he. knew they. would names were never before sheird in the Irish eti
whose
thank him for having' ode ed- what, lion. Ge tl osite •courts were
n emen opposite raised• to high-legal seats by the late Government. Now,
called a faCtioua. oppositiozi to their unprincipled' conduct with ,
• respect to the thief legal- 'appointments of Lord Derby,
He doubted whether there ever was an occasion of a 'Ggiern- . • Ireland-that of-the lord Chancellor-he spoke the Y'
• voice
ment coming- into power-without giving some intimation of ' lawhen h ' 'd"
of his professione sat it was an
Talpointment which
what they intended to do as regarded the principles they m with their entire ' Approbatione•-( eat; hear.) The
held, when in opposition,-(Bear.) • • Whatever he 'might e et
•" could ,he said with respect te the appointment' of
feel at.sueh a state ..of • things, his alarm was not diminished 'Arne ' tothe Chief-Justiceshi 'ofthe
when he fated Lord-Derby-641sta . Rupert of delete ' Baron,Leffey • p Queenhs Bench.
debate-assume . cr h t th'
it had heeo sal t a e conduct of Lord Derby, in accept-
the character of a Fahius•Cunctator.- (A laugh.). He feared -
from the nature of
.the man . that , sane .mischief' ' ing' office •en •
d refusing eo 'appeal to: the '
country on the
such
.. ' was in- . question of 'protection until measures a* 49 conceived
~.,„„„1„, ,i,i, ;„,,,,,, 'POO 1.):4w 'i • , ' "''' j

I were for the public good were adopted, was' unconstitutional I ters, and of Hon. Gentlemen on the Ministerial-side of the
Bat it should be borne in mind that Lord Derby. did not ! House.-(".No, no," from'Mr. B. Osborne. ) Well, excepting
iexpel the late Ministry. The late. Government fell unex- 1 the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
pettedly, and from a blow aimed at it by one whom he might I whose brilliant talents neither he nor any other Hon. Gentle-
call a friend to it.-(Rear, hear.) The Noble Lord (J. 1 man could sully-(Hear, hear)-it struck him that- Hon.
Russell) fell in proposing a measure which he, no , doubt, Gentlemen opposite were not a little annoyed at the imani-
believed to be essential,. to tee, best interests of the country. mity that prevailed on the Ministerial tide of the ' House.-
He respected the argument of the Hon. Gentleman opposite (Laughter from the Opposition.) It would appear 'so, as
as to' the duty of Lord Derby appealing to the • country for they availed themselves of every opportunity to fling brands
their approval of his financial measures; that appeal must be into their ranks; but it would require a great' deal more
aeon made, and of this be felt confident, that whether the talent and exertion than they possessed to ooffeet their
term of office of the preient Government was long or short,
.sta'oility and strength. (Ministerial cries of "Hear, bear.")
the Noble'Lord at its head would, to the best of his ability, The; 11011., Baronet who.had just sat down would, he hoped,
maintain the religion of the country, preserve, undiminished,
.excuse hirnfor advising him. not to speak of" persona and
the rights of the community, and the liberties of the people. prpperties without . having Previously ' made ' himself ace
• Mr. HATCHELL said; that 'having filled the office of quainted with the facts.-( Hear, hear.) The Hon. Baronet
AttorneyoGeneral in Ireland, he felt it to be his duty to kid asserted that the property of a noble relative of his
reply to the observations of ' his Hon. and Learned Friend (the Earl of March) had suffered no diminution by reason
on the legal'aPPintMentBinloreland by the late Government. of the policy of the late Sir Robert Peel. Now, he was not
The Hon. and Learned Gentleman said that the late Go- then about to wander into a corn-law debate, asthe present
vernment had raised to the bench men. whose names were was not a proper time-but he begged :to tell 'the Hon. •
never heard iP the courts in Ireland
...e now were the late Mr. Baronet that not only was the property; of his Noble Rela-
O'Logblati, the date . Chief Baron ,Woulfe, the present Chief five in the /tenth of England diminished in the rent roll, but
Baron: and the Present Chief Justice 'of the Court of Come also that in the north of Scotland.-(Hear, hear, from the
mon Pleas, undi,tingished in their profession? - (Hear.), It Ministerial benches.) The Hon. Baronet wished to-know
was said that Messrs.. Henn and Bennett. were overlooked by " what was:a Protectionist:" Now, being nei her a member
the Government. Why were thry not appointed to legal of the Ministry, nor - a disappointed candidate for office, he
positions, by the present'Goyernment ?. - No-they were over- would give him a' solution bt the interrogatory. His (th'e
' looked, althouge they were ardent euppOrters of a Conserve- Earl et,Alarch's).definition of a " Protectionist" Was this-
' tive line of policy.--(Heaa) , , - - and it would be-warmly • responded. to by the farthing in-
Mr., BOOKER ' said he bad entire cenfidence inthe Go- tereStseea Protectionist. was a warm and' cordial si:diporter of
yernment and in the Right Hon. 'Gentieniait who .was the the Government of. which Lord Derby was the head, because
leader in -that 'HOuee; and no taunts. froin Honourable Gen- .that Noble Lord would uphold the dignity of the Crown,
tlemen opposite would wean the country party froth the cone and i promots the happiness of all classes of her . 'Majesty's'
fidence which they reposed in the present' Government.--, subjects.-(Cheers.) i . '-) - :, . -. ,
(Hear, hear.) It was noaneaessary that he should refer to . gr. COBDEN acid the, definition of a Protectionist given
the manly character of the Noble Lord at the'head of. the :by the Noble Lord who had just sat down had something in
Government, and he had only to express. a hope that his it. ;Whatever may be-the opinion of that House there would
counseVas regarded the requirenients of the country, would be two opinions,' in thecoattry as to whether that was the •
prevail.-(Hear, hear.) He would not then refer to the intetretion heretofore put on the word " Protectionist"-
questions of 'free trade or Protection. -(Ories of .i Oh!")' (Behr, hear.) The Noble Lord, he hoped, would all6w them
When public opinion had been expressed on..these questions to .carry. out the conclusion. inevitable from- his definition,
it w
up this important and 'by thus converting the name of Lord Derby Into pro-
' question. . then b
Honoueratbe bletGimenetite; ere °Peng
oppositein had spoken of the tection, it was ,clear they were to consider themselves then
division on the part of the. Ministerial., benches • but thiS he under. a Protectionist Government -(Heate - hear.) That
could truly say, that they were not afraid of meeting the saved him( Mr. Cobden) a great deal of argument. They
uhhnel
e oppositequestion
Members
n° e Iloilo at the proper head it avowed by the Noble Lord that. they were dealing
cotiomerciel policy of the witli a ProtectioniatGoveminent ;' and that was his case.:--
He was Satisfied that the (Hear, hear.) Now, the question before the House was,- '
people had entire Confidence inthe present Ministr, and for whether or not they would vote that Protectionist Govern-
this
countryperldbe r
ws h oe
camenn tt4
reason, that they were ,dissatisfied with the absurdity meat supplies. It was an old and constitutiohalepractice in 1
.edsiticeun p
s aideei9fn. the
of th
and imbecility of the late. Government. - (Hw, and, Oh.) other _countries. as well as in England, that the'. majority of '
And it was a relief to them .to see men in office who would the epreeentative body governed the country. •Hte therefore
not be shifted about from one point to another, and who beg ed,eo ask the Noble Lord who had just 'stood forward •
when they went to the country, would de so upon broad prin.! or},• roeectioniet principles to'ask a free-trade Parliament to
ciples=(Cheers, and Oh)-andwould, he had ho doubt, re. vot Supplieshe asked that Noble Lord could he deny that
ceive the approval of the peoPle of this country. that Free-trade Parliament was digressing from its duty in,
Sir BO HALL said that the lion. and Learn ed Gentleman at all -events, pausing before they gave their confidence to a
the Solicitor-Geneeil for Ireland had asked Pan remarkable .GoVernment based in direct' antagonism to the great majority
and pointed question. He had asked whether it was wee- in that House?-(Hear, hear, from the Opposition.) But
sary for a man to be a hypocrite in order to be a Minister; ,freerradeprinciples were, numerically, in an overwhelming
and he (Sir B. Halo would ask whether it was not necessary maj rity it both • sides of the: --- House were examined.(Hear.)
for a Minister to. be an honest man ? . But if. the present 36. Th present debate was opened by 'an Hon. Member for one
nisters wished to act honestly, he thought they ought at of the .metropolitan . counties (Mr. B. Osborne); perhaps the
once to come forward and declare whether, at ter having modt populoue and wealthy county, in the -United Kingdom.
attained to power, they meant to abide by their fanner, ,He was sopported by the ~.Hone Member. for •Marylebone,
professions, or whether they had used those professions for' another large and populous district. .He*(Mr. Cobden), the
the purpose of arriving at office?--(Hear, heare) u, e had representative, of the West Riding of the -great county of
been somewhat surprised at the speech of the Hanourable Yorhhire,- supported that Hon. and Gallant Member also,
Gentleman who had jest sat doWn. He remembered
_.. .that ancliwas fully, sustained,in so doing by the great population
at the time when the Honourable Member letta come, fore of bet. extensive and wealthy district. Then there was
ward as a candidate to represent the county of South Lancashire next in emportance, -together-with Man-
Hereford a newspaper which advocated the Tory ;
principles cheater , and Glasgow; and, therefore, Hon. Gentlemen 6n
in that county, had promised that the .Hon. Gentleman, after the ginisterial side of the House were not alone in a nume-
he should have been returned to Parliament, would rical. ininOrity, but in a very insignificant. minority, seeking
1 " beard the lion in his den"-the lion meaning, no 'doubt, the !confidence of the majority.-(Hear, hear.) - The contro-
the Noble Lord the head of the late Government. But, from welly had been ragingloatteen years. It was seine fourteen •
the moment the Hon. Methhee had been elected down to the yea i Since the first) meeting. of the AntieCorn-law League
present time he had- never brought forward any measure
,washeld.in Manchester. „The agitation lasted-some seven
and had never suggested one single proposal in accordance yea so, and some six years .had elapsed since the' question
with the principles he had advocated when he had sought was settled
,no
y that House. What . was the conduct of
the suffrages of the electors of, Herefordshire. A circular had the ,party opposite? He asserted the origin of the party
lately been' sent round; hy the Protectionist party i that-n opplisite was protection. , .:There were Hon. Gentlemen: on
county, calling a meeting in the parish church of Peter. the Gagaoliteen eide a the House, on the question of free
church, for the purpose of coniidertng the best mode 'of tra gnst protection, who were friends of the Monarchy,.
securing the return of ' Protectionist Members ,at. , the 'tie daof the Church, sand friends of the aristocracy-gen-
next election. . Now, that was all verY well.; but it tleinen who were, as high .Conservatives as .Hon. Gentlemea
should be known what was .nseant by protection.-7-(Hear, vu .liellini.terialbenches.-(Hear, hear.) Could such' be
heir.) Lord Derby had lately asked for the forbearance 01 den ed in the Case of the Hon. Members for the Universities
his opponents. But for what purpose bad he made that of Oxford, and Cambridge? , -Therefore, be asserted, :Hon.
request?. He had made it in order that, he might work
e Gentlemen opposite stood there as a Protectionist party.-
the appliances'of the Government to. strengthen all e
himself in (H at', hear.) , It.was the only question on which they were
his position, so that he might hereafter be enabled to tax con tituted a party-(lm., • hear) -and therefore he would
the food of the people. But the Noble Lord had made, no not allow them to fall back on the Chancery reform and pa- '
definite avowal of his views on the subject of the corn- laws ; ten law amendment, in which all were as interested as the •
and the addresses recently ,made by
se number of the flu -.Gentlemen themselves.--(Hear, hear.) He ( Mr. Cob-
members of his Government to their constituents were den did-not call on Hon. Gentlemen opposite to decide what
equally vague and unSatisfactory,upon that subject. The the pow-Se to be adopted by the House- should be. Neither
Right Lion. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequers bad .lid ;1,9 osk ohe Right Hon.. the Chancellor of the Exchequer
certainly thrown no new light upon, the matter. . And yet to clams what course he would take. He would appeal to
that Right Hon. Gentleman bad On
.4 former occasion ex- he sioritiof that House to decide, what the course should
pressed bit admiration of a Ministeo who gave effect toehis be,
. (Cheers
from the Opposition.) If a :minority in that
convictions.. He- had eves added
,these words-" Unfootu House were to gooern the. House, on. the same principle they
nate will be the position of this country when a aeinister, tnigett be governed by a clictator.---(llear, hear.) He there-
pursues a line of policy adverse, to the convictionsswhich he toreiappealed te.
the.liouse to vindicate itself, and make itself
himself entertatus."-e( gear, sheen) The Right, Hon. telt is the policy now to be, pursued.-(Opposition cheers.)
Gentleman would do well to oemember those expressions lie Nought the presout pccation a.titting , one ; and be there-
upon the present occasion. In 1841 the Right, Hon. fore.colled on the majority. of the •Iliouse to vindicate its eon-
Gentlanah the Chancellor of the Exchequer was strongly •stitdtional privilege...-.`Opposition . cries of 'I Hear, hear.")
"PPosed -to an Be. duty. en 1846 a, ss. duty was, sug- When :they came to vote the money he hoped the majority
gested, Mit the Right Hon: .Gentioknap, in connexion with wouK hair() sufficient vigour and firmness to take the reins
the late lamented Lord George .Beatiocks said they would into their own hands, and by .keeping in theiahands, except
have nothing to do with, it. In 1842,s s the Right Hon.. for Et limited period,: the ,control over the ;public parse.-
Gentleman stated in his election speech, we had a revision (Cheers.). It might be asked why call nponsthe :Parliament
of the sliding scale and came to a compromise, when; it ai el siolve now? Where wore the indicationsithat a dim.
~was considered the arrangement would be permanent. luta n: was required? He appealed to what was going on in
That arrangement the Right Eon. Gentleman doe:elle& as
sthe ountry. It showed that there.waa no diffeaenee out of
being a. just andnioderate protection. Now, what wee ,that doo as to the course which the majority ought to pursue.
protection? It was no less than 20s. a quarter: on wheat , Fr 9 one end of the country to . the other theyswere in all
when that article should be undee 503.-.(
,Opposition cries of the eat and excitement, ot a contested: election at the pre-
" Hear, hear.") Was that the protection the Right Hon. sent moment.-(4h, and laughter.) • They.could, . not take
Gentleman hoped to see restored, and which, if sincere, he up: daily newspaper that thtsy did not find two columns of
should ,endeavour. to re-impose? - (Hear, hear.) The late it- fil ed with accounts, of election proceedings. Those pro-
Lord George Beneinck was a nobleman the very soul of teed rigs were p.ot confined to his side of the House. The
hondur-(letear, hear)_respected and beloved by all who lion Gentleman the Member for Hereford, swho !had been
knew him. He gave up all his pursuits and favourite ainbi• rece tly sent , into that ,h ease. to settle the question, had
don for the purpose of working to the best of his ability the talk d; upon every subject butit. The Honourable. and Gal-
great question, pf protection.-(Hear, hear, and cheers.) (mat 'Wernher fgt. Windsor had. also told them that the country
There had been twelve nights of debate -heavy debate-on was 11 in the heat of an , eleetion contest; and Why ? Be-
that renestion, and theelast speectespokens ha' the debater was caul the interest of the country had, brought it to this con-
delivered by Lord George Bentiock, from which he (Sir. 8.. clue n, that the majority. in that House would sdeal with the
Hall) took the following extract:-" Deeply should I regret ques ion and would not permit the public money to be voted.
should any large proportion of those Members who have been He ainiained that, they could not, attempt to carry on the
sent :to Parliament to represent the landed , tenantry of legislation of the country, ,and that brought him to another
England in this House prove to be the men to brieglasting eons derafiori. .They could not. carry, it on, it . was impossi-
dishonour alike upon ,themselves, their constituencies, and Ole, while the Government was only. supported.by a mino-
this House, by an act of tergiversation so gross as to 'ity.l They had already heard one Hon. Gentlemen say that
be altogether
.unprecedented in the annals of • an' they' evadedthe question ; that, they were in a minerity,,and
refOrined or unreformed House of Commons." He (Sir B.- inelieto postpone it for,the pm:sent; .that theyelid not mean
Hail) quoted that because he wished; to knew whether her to dal with, it. Why, that principle pervaded the whole.
`Majesty's Ministers were about to re-impose a duty on corn, of the proceedings of .the Howse.: There were Committees
or whether they merely intended to shuffle through it. He. on eliucation and . other important questions; but did
found another extract in the same 'speech, which, as being Any dion. -Gentleman named enter . upon those Commit•
short, and :coming from the source it did, he would take the tees with the idea that he could. deal with them during the
liberty Of reading to the House. Lord G. Bentincks said- present
Parliament? Did -anybody doubt that,' within two
"Sir; lastly ;I coma to the - proud aristocracy'. die are a or thlree months,, those proceedings must •be brought to a
'proud aristocracy,' hut if we are
.proud, it is that we are close? . Seeing that out of doors everybody was prepared -
3rotid in the chastity- of, .our honour, if we assisted in 1841 seei that no satisfactory, business could be carried on, they
in turning the Whip out of office, for thatwe did not-cono were bOund to bring the question to a satisfactory close by
'sitter a fixed duty of Bs. a gleaner. on• foreign orn a sufficient the nstitutionol powers vested in them. Esten in that
protection, it was with honesty of purpose andcain single-minded- eyes 9. coarse which Hon. 'Gentlemen opposite .were now
nos 'that we did so; and as we were not before
the puts itigthey were still placing themselves on such ground
fact, .we, will not be ' accomplices after thilDfact, in the ;is w old render them as niu.ch in antagonism with.them as
frtud. by' which the- Whig Ministers e.
turned out ever. -rho,lpghi Hon. ;Gentleman the Member for Bucks
Of offfce• If. we are a ' proud aristocracy,'were dof was reparmg, with the, assent of a. large, number of .his
we are prou , .
our honour, inasmuch ,as we never have been guilty', :evade the ' •
then s, to
and never can be guilty of ' doable-dealing with' the them, that'. he only changed his ground. He: proposed to
farmers iof England, of swindling our oP ts,. deceiving ,giya !the agricultural interest an indemnity for the losses
our friends, or - betraying our constituents " . 'That was 'they ad sustained by the withdrawal of protection' under
the speech of :a Noble Lord who .as he before said, was .anot er form, and then he. shadowed out a plan by which
'the very soul of honour. e (IlearolLare) It was delivered ne p poied to transfer some of the taxes borne by. the
On the 27th of .February,..le46, and on that very day siX egric Iturtsts to the shoulders of those who did not happen
years; the 27th, of
Yehruae rhlBs2ethe Noble ,Lord, then, the-, to be thepessesiore. of land. :He asked whether„that• was
colleague of tne tate Lord George •Dentinck, attained to the noel) ing, in the !same .posithon of antagonism as before?
positiOn of Prime Minister- of England; and though he robe lie re ed what was to be done . with the. Antis-Corn-law
in his' place on that night in the House of Lords, et neitber, Leagde?-(Laughter and.cries .of " Oh, ob. ') .If the Right
Chet Noble, Lord (Lord Derby) nor Right lion'. Gentlemen . lioneerable Gentleman was only• shifting his ground-if that
oppositehad the moral courage or the political honesty to de- League hid comPelled him to take his'hand out of one of the
dare their. views. -( Hear. 1 . e
e - w -et, he asked, were ker Ma- dockets the public, he was,. now attempting to put. it in
jesty's Ministers going to do? . Were they th y going tre be ,
moiler. - He -trusted tne Right Hon. Gentlemen .would see
guilty of" double-dealing with the farmers?"-(Hear; 2" e(Elear; hear.) - the necessity of allaying this strife and agitatiob., When he
Would they , tell them they should. have a 255. protection: talked of indemnifying the agricultural classes for the losses
when 'corn was under
,508. ?or were .thev ffoinz to. come they id sustained, he could, alisure. the Right Honourable
forveard and declare protection dead and; aebolentig after it
,Geptleman that when they entered on that, controversy he
should have served their turn as ah election cry?-(Hear, - wOuld be as willing as any lion. Member to consider the
and laughter.) 'They were a Protectienist Government On tair cliiims of the landlord and the farmer in any general re- ,
looking.oyer the list he found every member a Protectionist' ductitte of. taxation consequent upon a surplus of revenue.:
with two exceptions, members of the "liberal profession:, He would be as hippy to see justice done to them as to the
the Attorney and Solicitor-Generals, the law officers of the inannfacturer and traclesmart--7(Oh, oh)-bnt,wlign he pro-
late Sir R. Peel. -(Opposition cheers.) One of _these Hen. • Posed to transfer-the burdens of agriculture to other,c.asses
and Learned Gentlemen -had already been referred to of thecomniunity, he met ,the Free-trader oriprecisely the
having agreed to an arrangement, by the terms,of which it same 'ground, and had not
stateen any ono step , to get rid of
was understood he,would not appear again. - The other gen- that IcOhtroversy. -When the Right Hon. Gentleman at-,
tleman was endeavouring to obtain ets seat in that most cor- temptbd to do that, he (Mr. Cobden) would meet him on the
rupt tied maculate borough of Harwich._(Hear, leear.)
..et, thresliold, and ask him whose' taxation he was going to re-
modification of policy was talked of. He (Sir B Hall)fouod mit? llf it was, that of the landowner, bpi- did he propose
'a resolution sadoeted at a meeting held at the London Tavern to rericla the' farmer by remitting the tax:upon land?. He
on the 12th oecember of last Year, at which the Duke of ' must Show him further that the landowner suffered from
Richmond presided. The resolution' was__" Resolved, that free-trade policy... The Noble Lord had met the statement
all the friends.of !inflection are called upon to • support the that had been made-
~ ,
National Association for the Protection of Native Industry, The Earl of MARCH said hie explanation was in' answer
and to co-operate to the utmost of their Powerin obtainiog to a statenient made by the Hon. Baronet, and which state-
a reversal.of the present system of free importation."' .On meat was not correct.--(Hear, hear. )
tlee 2"th February.' 1851,• Lord Derby was •reported- - Mr.j cOgDEN-It was the assertion of the incorrectness
to have said, " I cannot, as an , honest man. of the Lion. Baronet with which he was going to deal; The
abandon the existing distress by reversi the step Noble Lord had said that his, Noble relative had Buffered a
that has • been taken by the - imposition
ngof - a me- toss of income consequent upon the free-trade policy. He
deists' duty 'on corn and provisions, be ~
which in s was not aware that-the Duke of Richmond's case had been
few years we may get rid of the income. tax.. .. Now the referred to, but if the questionewas raised, do. not let it be sup-
amount, of the income tax was between. 6000,0004 and posed for a moment that inoividual cases were to be avoided.
6,000,0001. in the year. There were 11,000,000 qrs. of cornHe . had _not heard 'of any redaction of• rents, but the
brought annually into the country, which would require a contrary. • • would
15s. dutyper quarter to make good the abolition of the The Bert of MARCH hoped the. Hon, Gentleman
income tax ; and was that, he wished to • know, what Hon. forgive him. He was sorry to trespass again upon the House,
Gentlemen opposite considered a " moderate duty eo He but this was a matter of a somewhat personal nature. The
(Sir B. Hall). found that from 1841
to 1 -845, both included. propertet-of a noble relative of his had beep called in ques-
the imports . amounted 'to . 360,641,0001., and for the don. He had distinctly stated the fact, and he now repeated
folloWing five years . from 1846 to 1851, byth included, and could state of his own knowledge, that his property in
466,755,e00/., • showing a vast. increase. 'ln - the same Sussex had been revalued and a reduction had occurred upon
years' the exports ' were, from 1841 to 1845, both in- the whole rental. (Loud cheers.) . i
eluded, 659,408,0001. ; ' mot for the lye following years , Mr. COBDENI would state exactly what he had heard r
trom 1846 to 1854 both included, 833,166,000 e
s; so that if the con `se of some inquiries which he had made,-(Lo d
'anything could prove the prosperity of the country it was cries of " Oh.") Ile had found upon inquiry in the
ee.
the result of these exports and imports•-•(Hear, h.eatee
J In diate neighbourhood of Goodwood that not only, had there
Manchester, since 1846, the poor rate had diminished no been nb redaction.--(Shouts of" ' oiao and Question.)
"Que'found
less than 50 per cent ; therefore he. wished to know what When the Noble Lord spokeof, a reduction of rents liet
and
Hon. Gentlemen opposite were going to reverse? For wh se that it, had not been as a rule applied to the pro
d PernYlbers
benefit was the reversal going to take place--for the land- that ,if a tenant was going out there were half a ...ozo
hado his
lords, the tenants, or the labourers?-,( Hear, hear)
lie had ready to take the land. If the Duke of Richmond
half a dozen
heard that two Noble Dukes (Richmond and Rutland), who land lei upon those terms, and that there were
hat the Duke '
were loud in their demands for protection, had suffered no tenants' ready to take it, then he shoed('
flaY
t his affairs if.
dithination of their rents. Neither had the tenants suffered. of Richmond was very incapable of managing
ins._ (cries
-(Oh, oh.) Well, if they had, why did not the landlords he . dreamt of reducing his rents upon theseear
tquite so •
make a 'reduction ?• Had. any reductions taken place 1- a - Ole and " Question.e) . Why, they wereet 9 uthe Member
(" Oh, oh," fromsthe Ministerial benches.) He
asserted no mealy-tnoutl{ed when the Right Hon. Baronet
He was not
general reduction had taken place.o-(0h, nh A Tx
--• 1. . ...e• had a for Ripoa was speaking a night or twosin7
is rents, and if
word to say to the gentlemen called the " Country Party," ashamed to say that he had not reduced
cases ui that. waY be
be in the lan ua e o '
and as he preferred it should g g i another they dealt with .individual
as a. fact breught before
he, would -just -read •an extract from a Speech bad a right to deal wth the present
to his own, •aid say that. the Noble
which concluded with these remarkable words;," Dee not,
the .House. He would go. further,
any reduction that might
then, becauee yowsee a great personage giving uP his opi-. 'Duke derived a compensatione from
ehis
land in the reduction
nions, do not cheer him ono-do not re d such a reward to have leen place in,the price .•°' ' He '
" These were the words of the present that h teken place in the .price of commodities.s was a, ,
'political tergiversation.
the Chancellor ofthe Exche ' a'
d rietor, and truihrtaitied, doutalesse a large estab
quer in -landed pr P
Right Hon: Gentleman . k him was hhousehold and 'Stables,: and he contended that
184.6 ; and he then )egg to as , e prepared to lishment an ...
st An other mdividnel ' inthe re-
les on which he rose to office? When on he gained' moire than almo
stand by thesprincip e
he Houle the Right Hon. Gentle ' A , that had taken place firths priee of 'torn stud of su-
the Opposition- side of -t .e.man ououono . d i obe--and by the reduction of those rates
and clamoured for dissolution.-(Hear, '
0.---(Hear, ' gar-(Gh, an a title .
called forprotection, • an
him Ituett t'
had an a ion that day.: They should
hear.) What they asked him
sked Cored
-do •at present was merely of which they had
(Hear, hear.) . The Right • allehat before he wouldacknewledge the right of the
to declare his intentions...- go. intoteke A tax Off the agricultuf ere
'" fair play," w
hich they
were inclined Right lion. ,.. . . is
Gentleman called for
hcalled for ". Pretectiero4the coplate it on the shoulders of the Indrlstriotte portion' of the
'to give him ; but When e ten- and .
to know in what'th t
w . a protection community. If the Right
,Hon. Grentlenian
.evetted protec-
try was justified in requiring •• 'n a tax by Wiry Of an indemnity, they , , met the
consisted.- (Hear, hear.), :
cl the House it s
• • lion, and hod o
fires-traders precisely in, the sam th '' - '• ' e controtersy, and
The Earl of 11ARCEI assure
manner of thewiti not his
at the conclusion: of the struggle. U' had . not
intention to follow. in the tone or •
w. on. and ,-yet arrived allthese
necessary tint' they .thotild understand Gallant Gentleman (Mr. IK Osborne),
ethatli
o opened the pre.- grounds it was
upon which they wereit wile necessary- that the
sent discussion. The course followed y_ _ on. and Gal- footing
uld be brought to a
lent. Gentleman resembled- that taken by the lawyer who,. question should conclusion,lor the take, not
manufacturers and the
• merchants, Mit also for
for want of a case abused the other side.-(hear, hear.) He only of tile _
lanieeners
had heard every 'word filet fell from the Hon. - and Gallant .the sake after
the way . en the eenants. Could it be
Member, aed b Id to the House to say if there could doubted, in which they- had kept 'up the. con-
e appea e the last five years, leading On. the ' tenantry with
be found &particle of argument in the whole of his• die- i test for . . .
°plat auct M expectation of - getting the
coarec?-.(Hear,,hear.) It was a tissue of abuse of Minis- false h
~,_ i redress front
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