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FRIDAY EVENING,

APRIL 30, 1852.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, April 29.
ECCLESIASTICAL REFORM.
(Continued from our Fourth Edition.)
Lord R. GROSVENOR, in seconding the motion, said
that his Noble Friend merited the thanks of every true
friend of the Established Church and of religion, not only
on account of the trouble which he had taken to inform him-
self on every point with regard to this question, but also on
account of the additional labour which he had undertaken on
the framing of a comprehensive measure for the considera-
tion of the House. And when be stated that sooner than
abandon this measure bis Noble Friend had refused to join
the present Government, be was sure that all would appre-
ciate the motives by which he was actuated..—(Hear, hear.)
Most of the comprehensive provisions containedhadin the Bill
which his Noble Friend proposed to introduce been re-
commended by Committees of that Hour which had sat
on this subject; and he believed that their effect would be
to render the funds of the Established Church more available
for the purposes of further education and spiritual instruction
at a time when the attainment of these objects was so loudly
demanded on all sides.
He trusted that neither the Go-
vernment nor the House would offer the smallest obstruction
to the introdueion of the Bill, and that by
.that. means an
withr_ respect to it might be ob-
expression of public opinion
Ix stated that there were
ob-
tained. When it was P b
1,500,000 persons in the metropolis %seeds who did not attend
thoughto it high time that they
place of public worship, h
should entertain some measureoftlhe Friendisnatiireh taken such.
had Mr. WALPOLE \r
said his Noble
immense pains with the subject, and had made such efforts
to improve the spiritual institutions of the Established
Church, that he should be ungrateful were he, on the part
of the Government, to object to his obtaining leave to bring
in a Bill such as he proposed.—(Hear, hear.) He thought
the arguments of the Noble Lord possessed much truth. As
far as he (Mr. Walpole) could. understand the principles of
the Bill, they were, first, to increase the erection of bishop-
rics by new sees, and in the second, to provide better
management for the ecclesiastical revenues. Now in both
those objects he agreed, provided they could be effected
with advantage to the members of the Church and the
country
and, therefore, he thought it would be better
that the House should wait until the details of the
measure were before it. He thought it would be desirable to
include also the parochial clergy in these arrangements. The
management of ecclesiastical property was a very grave
subject, and it would require considerable attention before
coming to any conclusion. His Noble Friend proposed to put
the property in the hands of ecclesiastical commissioners.
-Upon that subject he was not at present prepared to give
any definite opinion. It seemed to him to be a question
turning more upon the mode in which it ought to be done,
than upon the propriety of doing it. Upon this subject he
would reserve all further observations until they saw the
Bill, to the introduction of which he would offer no opposi-
tion.— (Hear.)
Sir R. H. INGLIS said that he had learnt that it was not
the intention of her Majesty's Ministers to oppose the intro-
duction of the Bill, and he had come down to the House not
intending to offer any observations on the subject; but he
was not prepared for the speech of the Noble Lord who had
introduced the motion, or the Right Hon. Gentleman the
Secretary of State for the Home Department.. lie depre-
cated with all his heart the principles laid down, and when
he heard the Right Hon. Gentleman (Mr. Walpole) congra-
tulate the Noble Lord upon his great knowledge of the sub-
ject, as manifested in his speech, he could not help express-
ing his surprise. lie would just, by way of example, and to
show the great knowledge of the Noble Lord, call the atten-
tion of the House to one of his propositions, " Deaneries and
canonries are sinecures." He need do nothing more than call
attention to that proposition, by way of exemplifying the
great knowledge of the Noble Marquis upon this subject.
He would not offer any further remarks, but content himself
with intimating his perfect aversion to the mode in which
the Noble Marquis intended to carry out his proposition,
and- his extreme regret at the course pursued by the
Government.
Sir BENJAMIN HALL said he would not take up the
time of the House long. He should content himself simply
with saying, that as he had taken an active part in reform-
ing some of the abuses of the Church, he was most thankful
for this Bill. He should be prepared to offer some observa-
tions on the broad propositions contained in this Bill when
it came on for discussion in due course. He approved of
taking the whole management of this property out of the
hands of the episcopal capitular bodies, and further, at pre-
sent, he had only to thank his Hon. Friend for bringing for-
ward this motion, and to reiterate that he should offer fur-
ther observations when the discussion took place upon the
measure.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME said that he was quite sure the Noble Mar-
quis (Marquis of Blandford) stood forward as the best
friend of the English Church when he proposed to put
down these abuses. His Hon. Friehd the Hon. Baronet (Sir
Robert Inglis) near him had been consistent in supporting
these abuses, but he had been equally consistent in his en-
deavours to suppress them. From the constant efforts of
himself and others, he was happy to say that since he
came into Parliament the Church cf England had
greatly improved in many respects. The abolition
of sinecures vas an attempt which every friend of the
Church should support. One of the first attempts he made
in Parliament was in the line of this motion, and he was de-
lighted to see that things were coming round in the right di-
rection. The people of England must look upon this with
k satisfaction. Sinecures had ceased in the civil service, in
the army, and in the navy, and in almost every department,
and why should sinecures and pluralities n permitted
amongst a body of men professing to be the guides and
instructors of the people?—(Cheers.) He approved of
placing in lay hands the management of the property of the
Church.—(llear.)
Mr. COWI'ER said that there was a large party in this
country who felt very strongly the necessity of further re-
forms in the Established Church. Great exertions bad been
made on this subject, both in the House and out of it.—
(Hear.) In the House Committees had been appointed, and
inquiries instituted on the subject, but the House had been
negligent, and nothing had been done. But the time bad
now come when they must act in real earnest.—( Hear.) He
approved of having the management of this Church property
in lay hands, and of the introduction of this measure, which
should have his support.
Mr. UORSMAN said that this was one of those motions
which was extremely comforting to those who bad laboured
to do away with these abuses. He felt happy
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that there
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would meet with very general support.—(Cheers.) These
questions must force themselves more aad more upon the
attention of the Government. Pubiie opinion would not
suffer them to exist.—(Hear.) Durh.e the liv,t few yasre
there had been very considerable reterms. and thee, bad
given them encouragement to go on, Ihe lien. Baronet; the
Member for the University of Oxford (Sir Robert Inglis)
had called in question the knowledge of the Noble Lord who
had made this motion, because he ha.l celled these deaneries.
sinecures. Now, he wanted to know wh .t wire the duties of
a dean ? He had asked that question year after year, and he
could not get an answer. He could rot discover either the
spiritual or ecclesiastical duties of these persons. He trusted
that the Hon. Baronet would now enlighten them on :list
subject. He agreed with the principles enunciated ie this
Bill. He should content himself with the expression of
opinion, and should not then enter upon the details. He
fully appreciated the spirit in which this measure had teen
brought forward, and he should be disposed to give it every
assistance in his power.—(Eleae)
Mr. SIDNEY HERBEKT thought that the necessity for
the reform of ecclesiastical abuses was becoming every day
more apparent.—(Hear.) As to many of these eccleiastical
offices, the lapse of time had separated many of these offices
from the duties which originally attached to them. That
had given rise to many of these 'theses, and should be al-
tered. He gave his cordial thanks to.the Noble Marquis for
introducing this measure, but until the Bill was before the
House it would be impossible to speak of the details ; but
so far as he could gather the Writ and intentions of the
Noble Lord in respect to this subject, he would promise any
support he could give.
Sir HARRY VERNEY unitel in the feeling of gratitude
so generally expressed to the Noble Marquis for the feelieg
and spirit in which he had brought forward this measure.
There was one question, however, which he wished anewered
by the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite (Hr. Walpole).
When he alluded to the desirableness of obtaining the co-
operation of the Church in these projected reforms, did he
include in that expression the lefty as well as the clerge ?
Mr. WALPOLE said he bad never used the word Church
except as uniting in the word both clergy and laity.—
(Hear, hear.) When he had said so, supposing the measure
to meet the approbation of the Church, be included both, and
he hoped the House would not legislate on this measure with-
out the joint cooperation of the clergy and laity.. .
Mr. AGLIONBY hoped that in drawing up this Bill care
would be taken not to interfere with the rigete of lessees cf
Church property, and other persons, whose rights had been
regulated and guaranteed by Act of Parliament. He hoped
that, in carrying out a measure of this description, care
would be taken to do justice to all parties.
The Marquis of BLANDFORD replied. He was animated
with a sincere desire to render the English Church more
efficient; and he should be deeply pained it he was the cause
of casting any discredit upon the ministers anu officers of the
Church. He hoped this measure would zite be regarded as a
party measure— (Cheers) and that it would be c..rried one
by all parties in the spirit and intention by which he was
himself animated. The Hon. Baronet the bleniteur for the
University of Oxford had animadverted upon his expression,
when .he had said that deaneries and canonries were sine-
cures. When he used the word sinecure, he wished to say
that there were very small duties attached to them, and that
in that sense they. were sinecures. For the teie el the tai to
" sinecure," in reference to deaneries and canotirieii. he had
the authority of Burn, who laid it down, that deaneries and
canonries were sinecures, in the sense that they had no spi-
ritual cures like a bishop. He hoped that what had taken
place that night would form a period from which they would
date the commencement of measures useful to the Chetah,
and which would raise it to the moral elevation it ought to
maintain.

The motion was then agreed to without a division.
PRESERVATION OF THE •CRYSTAL PALACE.
Mr. HEYWOOD presented several petitions front various
parts of the metropolis in favour of the retention of tho
Crystal Palace.

Mr. WILLIAMS presented a petition from Lambeth to the
same effect.

Mr. HEYWOOD then came forward to propose his mo-
tion " for the appointment of a Seiect Committee to consider
the preservation of the Crystal Palace, or the central portion
thereof, with a view to its applicability to purposes of pub-
lic instruction and recreation." lie regretted he was not
enabled to bring the subject forward st an earlier p.riod of
the session, but it had been delayed in consequence of the
wish of the Member for Totnes, in the first instance, and
the change of Government afterwards interfered to cause
further delay. He had also postponed it in consequence of
the great meeting which was proposed to he held at Exeter-
ball upon the subject. He was now enabled to say that tue
great majority of the inhabitants of the metropolis were in
favour of the retention of this structure. The feel..

ings exhibited at the meeting at Exeter-hall might be
taken as a fair test of the sentiments of the middle classes,
at all events. They were under great obligations to
the late Government for the appointment of a
Committee, upon which was the Noble Lori the
Member for Totnes and Sir William Cubitt. He thought
the best course to be adopted was to purchase it
45,C901., a price much below its value. It had been exa-
mined by Sir Joseph Paxton and Mr. Charles Fox, who
stated that the foundations were perfectly firm, and that the
building would require very little repair. He wished to lay
before them, the plan which had been suggested for support-
ing it. It was proposed that it should be placed in the
nature of a trust, composed of gentlemen in whom the
public would have confidence, and of members of the Go-
vernment. The Royal Commission could not retain it, as
they were under a promise that it should be taken down by
the Ist of June. The First Commissioner of Woods wae
empowered to take it down, and sell' the materials. When
the building was first erected, it presented a splendid ap-
pearance. It was a new invention in erchi:ec-
ture, and one of the greatest improvements far
the benefit of science in modem time. He thought
it might be applied to a green-house, and for the ex-
hibition of scientific objects. If the Committee which he
moved for was appointed, he wished it to be invested with
full powers, and that its preservation should not ee limited
to its present location. The building was beautiful, nothing
could be more magnificent then the transept, still it might
be reduced to a smaller scale, as it was too long at present
The accommodation for riders in the park should not be
shut out from the consideration of the Committee. He re-
garded this structure as a noble monument of architectural
skill. Many objected to it as a monument of the Exhibi-
tion, but he thought that rather in its favour, ac it
was the commencement of intercourse with foreign nations.
He thought Sir Joseph Paxton's plan of apple lug it to the
purpose of a winter garden the beet. He hoped the building
would be preserved in its present Me m, but of smaller
dimensions, and placed under the superinteetionce of the
Government., It might be made very ueetu. in ccnveyir
instructive and scientific subjects.- bear.) Science
could not be better taught elsewhere. nor specimens of
scientific objects exhibited to greater eds &fosse la any other
place. If they could keep the buildieg. they might exont
that the crowds would not be very grca , except upoi, jeer-
ticular occasions, and therefore no laceeverience would
arise upon that head. This building would be most ap-
propriate for botanical institutions. Times which were
held in gardens often occasioned disappointment, particu-
larly to the ladies, when the weather was met. Spell ex-
hibitions could not be more conveniently hard anywhere
than under the dome of the Crvstal Palace. lie wished
that the 'subject might be fully considered by the Com-
mittee. Much had been said of the point of Looour that
it should be taken down. He regretted that Sir Henry
Hardin g° had not to decide it. He should be surprised
if the Noble Lord the First Commissioner of Feeds was
opposed to this motion. He was lately at Hatton Yell, in
the Noble Lord's own county, where he met a French
Marquis, who observed that the reason the aristocracy of
England hold their position above that of every other in
Europe was, that they knew the right time to yield. He
would say that this was a fitting occasion to yield to the
wishes of the people. It would be self-sustaining, and the
entrance fee would restrain those concourses of the people
that might injure the beauty of the park by trampling the
grass. The present Government were under no pledge to take
down this structure, and, therefore, coarcl make this conces-
sion. A the meeting at Exeter-hall. a deputation had been
appointed to wait upon the Noble lend at the head of the
Government, but as they had not yet peen the Noble Lord,
the proposition came before the House without any know
ledge of the intentions of the Government. The First Com-
missioner of Woods had given great attention to the eubject,
and he hoped
,it would receive the favourable consi.leration
of the House, and concluded by moving for the Comeoatee,
Mr. HUME seconded the motion, and in doing co in-
treated the Government to consider that the object which
Hon. Gentlemen had in view who desired to retain the
Crystal Palace was to afford instruction and recreation to
the people. Over and over again he had heard it said that
the people of England could not be trusted like the people
of continental nations in any of the great public metautiona,
but his answer had always been, " Trust and try, them, for
until you do that, you cannot offer a correct opinion upon
the subject." How worthy they were of trust, the results
which had followed the opening of the British Museum, the
National Gallery, and other institutions were quite sufficient
to show. When he (Mr. Hume) first suggested that the
British Museum should be thrown open to the people,
that institution might be regarded almost as a sealed
book, upon the average not more than 70 or 75 parties,
consisting of five or six persons each, visiting it in the
course of a week, and each of these parties being accom-
panied by a persOn to see that no harm was done. But at
length the building was opened without restriction to the
public and what was the 'consequence? Why, that from
that hour down to the present not an article of all that im-
mense and valuable collection had been touched by the vi-
sitors. And yet, during last year only, upwards of two
millions and a half of persons passed through the rooms.
In the case of the. National Gallery. too, the conduct c the
people had been most exemplary; for since it was thrown
open to their free admission not a single accident had oc-
curred to the valuable paintings collected there. Again,
during the Great Exhibition, when day after day for months
together 50,000 and 90,000 people assembled in the Crystal
Palace, there was not a single occasion on which the inter-
ference of the police was required to keep order amongst that
enormous crowd. And what said Colonel Rowan with re-
gard to the conduct of the people? Why, that one police-
man was now sufficient to maintainismipr•tohivveaenirpeeeancrteeliinunitrhpecedr.tions of
the metropolis where, when he was appointed to the office
Cloi mk
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manners of the working classes, he (Mr. flume) slid
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think that Parliament was bound to retain the beautiful
structure at present existing in fiyde-paik.—(Hear, heato)
But, in asking this, he did not call upon the House' for vile
farthing of the public money. A number of noblemen and
gentlemen had associated themselves together, who wishe-d
to be allowed to do that for the public which another set of
gentlemen had been permitted to de for the Zoological and
the Botanical Gardens in the Regent's Park.--(Hear, hear.)
They said "give us a lease of eighteen acres of land on
which the Crystal Palace stands; charge
please for it, and allow us to apply the budding to uchit—toput a
poses as we blieve we can most usefully apple' _
what rent you
education of artisans generally, and to the entitle f
tame
of art, machinery, and manufactures; at the
re-
serving a portion of it es a public walk."
to open
proposed
this request being acceded to, they then
at ic ef 3d.
the building for two days in weekeachnarte
day theirtheweek
In samettic event of
for the admission of each persons and_eoar
to guarantee the
capitalists of the country had (.1
altogether free of charge.- (Hear, hear) Some of the first
and making suitable
receipts, after paying the
wouldexpr
be set apart as a reserve
the committee, and the
funds for carrying out the proposaaela,,of
ad-
ditions to the collectiong,
the motion.
He begged to second ,
hoped his conduct would always be
fund to increase the general emciency of the establishment.
Colonel SIBTHO
vit'Pws he had expressed of the Exhibi-
tion at the Cry, 'Palace. He had never entered the
and a laugh)--nor would he have
consistent ev(iiitheatrhabteaelayt
building—
entered it if any individual had given him 1,000 guineas.
He would not dare to do. so consistently with his sense cf a
dutyhis fellow-subjects.— (Laughter.) Ile had ex-
pressedl). h he didnot
toe
wish from w now depart, that some
visitation might have taken place which at one fell swoop
would have annihilated the place, believing, as he did that it
was prejudicial to the best interests of the country. A Noble
Lord had in another place spoke of the Exhibition as cer-
tain to promote amicable relations between this country and
foreign nations, yet two different Governments had lately
come to that House declaring that they could not trust the
foreigner's professions of amicable intentions, and had de-
manded increMed armaments for the defigGe.of the cotilittri•

In their professions of friendship, then, they were only pay
ing an empty compliment to the foreigner. lie would no
have done so. If he thought a man was a rogue or enemy
he would have said so. He hoped, then, the Cryital Palace,
as it was called, would be removed, and the sooner the
better. Lord Brougham, Lord Campbell, and Mr. Justice
Cresswell had declared that they had no more right to take
possession of any part of the park than a Member of that
House would have to take away the mace from the table. He
certainly would not sanction the appointment of a Committee,
and he would oppose the motion.
Lord J. MANNERS said, the Hon. and Gallant Member
who had just sat down would excuse him if on tbis occasion,
he declined to enter on the merits of the Great Exhibition,
and he had also no doubt that the Hon. Member for Mon-
trose would not feel offended if he did not follow him in the
review of the (miller acts of his public life, and his endea-
vours to promote public education-endeavours which had
been so successful, which the House knew so well-and for
which the cottony at large was so orateful and appreciated
so highly. His object was simply to state the reasons
which
the Government thought that the agreements under wnie
the building was erected, and under which it waft' to be re-
moved, should be adhered to -(Hear, hear.) The first of
these reasons was, the notorious fact that had it not been for
the strength, be might also say the solemn nature of this
engagement, the great probability was, that the building
Lower would have been erected at all.--(Hear, bear.)
lion. Gentlemen had been so carried away by • the
great and almost unexpected success of the enterprise, iba,
they were very apt to forget the powerful obstacles whim,
opposed the project at the outset. He spoke in thepreseoceo!
a member of the Royal Commission, who lenew well the mitn
and magnitude of these obstructions; and he bad no hesita-
tiont in saying, in his presence, 'that if it bad not bees . or_
those solemn engagements these difficnities and obstructions
would have been enormously, and even fatally increasedo:
(Hear, hear.) Now, what were the terms of these engulf'menta? He found in the royal warrant, dated, the lir.
July, that it was distinctly stated that the building
tioned, and all other buildings that might be erected, and all
materials wanted for that purpose, should be taken dowil,e,ehe
carried away by the let of June, 1852, and further, that
surface of the site where it stood should be restored at the eele
pease of the Commissioners to its former condition. I.° •
deed and covenant subsequently entered into for carrYl ng
out the undertaking, there was a clause by which this aye d
gagement was most stringently and strictly enforced, _
the Commission was especially bound to remove everi
portion of the building, and restore the surface of the the
before the Ist of June, 1852. Nor was that all.
ot
1 preliminary arrangements between the Royal Collum-les
End the First Commissioner of Woods and Works it Wa_e
distinctly stipulated that the Exhibition should end or".
materialsth on
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shouldcomprisingat
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to
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wardsould
its
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eadtrh:
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restored
e
e
of Woods and Works seven months after the closing °end-
Exhibition.-( Hear, hear.) So strong was the underriel.qter
mg at the time, that the building should be renuive"er- d,
the temporary purpose for which it was intended 108 8-ftetd
that the Secretary of the Royal Commission, in a letter de-co
the 27th of June, 1850, in reply to a proposal to in the
more stringent words into the contract for carrying, UL.% was
intention, replied, on the part of the Commission, toe"
notorious the building was to be removed after itic to.
served its merely temporary purposes; that its strietlY, and
porary character had been distinctly stated through°n"oity
that the Commissioners hoped and believed that no difli.o tioi,
would prevent them from removing it at the time al"Peelefects
Such were the distinct engagements, and the notorio'l'diaie
of the case which they were now called upon to ree, 10
Even admitting that the retention of the Crystal Pal .bleb
its present site, might be advantageous for the objectevil
the Hon. Mover had in view, he contended that
which would result from so manifest and, flagrant .vnight
tion of public faith would overbalance any good that ,Poch it
result from it. Occasion might Again arise on liw'oote
might be thought proper to alienate for a short tin'enhjec-
other portion of the royal domains, and would tbe, Leh'
tions that might be raised in such alienation be sr`e-o`orse
ened or diminished, if the Home were to take tile that
to which it was now invited? He was prepared to el; the
the advantage to the working classes of retaining' all.
Crystal Palace in its present site would be verl,..-t was
He grounded his opinion on two reasons. lbe.eiOg
derived from the nature and character of, the bootwas
self-the second from the site which it occupied,
'relide to
admitted on all hands-and no one wee more axcl.
' admit it than he himself-that the building itself,eel;e°
eeeii;
mirably adapted to the purpose for which it Wee' eeeiv
A very strong a priori argument would thence be,h-e-atost
as to its permanent character. He 'held it to, hes' Aich
short-sighted, and, in the long run, extravagant policy'
would say, "Here we have a building erected for se. went
far purpose, let us see If we cannot make it serve a Perf; red.'
object, totally different from that for which it was-t"„eeater'
It was admitted by all the witnesses examined ASO'
who were favourable to the retention of the Ogee' ,"to be
that many and essential alterations should be neceseere'reose•
kwaotutldhajtusgtivreefner
hthyemsitro tchehaetvleidaenFcenxg.ivienn.ans"awe'esi.itg.
made, if it were to be adapted to any permanent OP",Theill
look
question he said that, in his opinion, a new roof a_er'-„,',Oet'
fioor would be essential if it were to be made Pe%,-ar-den•
he said that it would he necessary to make
building. If it were to be converted into a Wioter b-tions
in the floors and galleries-the timbers of which, he euegef, be
might be sold for a considerable sum. For the cold
advised several alterations-among others, that ie.eaing
be newly glazed, which amounted pretty nearly
to the re'
a new roof altogether. Mr. Dilke was anxious for,
tention of the Crystal Palace in its present site. • Het IL or
that there must be a new roof, and that with 20,"`".0ef.
30,0001. the building might be made wind and wategoo
The successful designer of the building, Sir Joseph`
erect a
himself, did not disguise his opinion that if asked, to would
building for purposes similar to those proposed, be,at. ia
geese alteraestea,
erect one totally different from and better than tuloot
Hyde-park. He too was of opinion that if the Pi put
building was retained a new roof would be necessary jet,
if he were to make a new one he would make a mac" ;„ $ll
more elegant, more appropriate and superior building '79 to
respects for 25,000/. Mr. Hawkins, in his evidence ;a of
the practicability of placing in the Crystal Pahleee,eeetea it
those curious works of arc for the exhibition 02- "- the
was complained that there was not roem elsewuere 1,1,1a.11
metropolis, stated as his decided opinion that the btu, !no
was net suited to such purposes. In answer to Oneell,,-v
541, he said, " I cannot believe that it would save the coun."(11
a single sixpence in expense to make an adaptation to
it; in fact, I believe it would be as costly to do an 413, 0.
make an entirely new building." To quote another au kite
rity in favour of the retention of the Crystal Palace,,:filt
Cole was of opinion that for a temporary purpose it
be made of great use in stowing away works for low
they had not sufficient space elsewhere; but on oidt
asked if it would be of use for permanent peirpOse'';oog
"I would not have it supposed that the present Cole
is an appropriate place." On further inquiry, DlrOnvold
seemed to think that the want of accommodation that e.•voan
be found if the Crystal Palace were to be converters',ooexhibition of works of art would be advantagus,: sod
much as it would arouse public attention to the ia°_!Lhere
might induce them to erect a proper structure sonsreso-
else. So at least he (Lord J. Manners) interpreted rapt,
swer to question 612. From all this evidence, he tlwaf the
he might fairly assume that the nature and charaetliatees•
Crystal Palace were such as to render most essential a
tion absolutely necessary before it could be eenverte'ser had
building suitable to the purposes which the Hon. Illof`enoses
in view. When he came to consider what these Pu're else
were, and what the purposes were which had been loaf age"
of at public meetings in order to stimulate the polnitoeer'
tation on this subject, he felt totally submerged sou ter.--
whelmed by their variety and contradictory ebareseronice
Nteores't in this eoel
(Hear, hear.) It had been proposed to convert laughter.)
"No,the°,
but he cOtil,", —tired he-
a ball-room.--Cries
read the speeches made out of doors in that veryect
that Hen.
hebad Members
taken mightag cerayt
prof/0%4,61,
Nay, the distinguished architect of the building,' „ with
the idea of converting the Exhibiting
Paxton, himself, was more delighted than any one e's" hell-
room, and when speaking on the subjeet, broke out into,„ to
turous expression of delight when Le contemplaten 1"-to the
sure he should have in giving a glorious hearty dateoignetl:
people of England in the building which he bad `Thee
, He said, " Well lit up, it would be an enchanting Peetoell
by Hie
Itleigethoutirfor-obdwevel:eti.l
night : all the statuary and plants would show off e-13:11htsioo
Building into rap,
' well ; it would be most perfect; it would become 8111 lie a
almost. I only wish you would let me have it tololi,
You would see how I should light it."-
ball in aid of the funds of the charities of the ettinter) Se
(Laugb
dfiooied'
we must not only have the building new-roofed an pro'
but illuminated also!
r yt,ea bgearma
tend e
bya covered
ae ddr
casinoi drive, He repeated, then, that it Was toti
posed to turn the building into a hall-roolO, I,l.ootee 1,1
but by no means least, it was,
that-it
wasigtalle
on the only day
when the working classes of the metropolis, eoYdte Waite
to themselves, it was proposed to be converted l° solos'
a gallery of churches, in which persons of all t1e.1.40,0n;
tions could find an appropriate place of worshig. ea.,
, tinned laughter.) In a very able speech wall releeea
days ago in favour of the retention of the Cryel tetsiov
it was propounded that if the building were to be there'
it might be opened to the people on a Sandell owe
by breaking down the rules which hadohitherto beel'hat on
tamed to close our public buildings and institutions; 'L. and
condition that the Liturgy should be read in one co have
every class of Dissenters is the metropolis should, nfesot
appropriate place in another corner. This was an Itinhere
view of the question, and be begged Honourable oloved 00
to make up their minds whether it WAS to be oP__.° tended
Sunday or not. if it be shut, then he argued and
ail; ,oes
that they closed it upon the only day when llyde'Pert the
to be seen hbe
open to the working classes. If it were Which
•
Sunday, they took the first step, and it was_natoatep
.witt4
might call a stride, towards
intrl°dttetigBuindayt.ilisll7;l3ll4l
the continental method of span g
importance of that ateP'• 'net
not magnify too much the
Bite in Hyde-park was -
said, therefore, that the PK'
ling the working classes of this cou etog
efficacious for benett .ytu -
he experience of those who knew so , tbe
and he put it to t
d habits of the working classee..e`eoail
of ,the localities an
metropolis,whether d Park they really
suburbs of the
wa and pleasure-grounds of Hit
themselves of the
da ? The-lion ea-
on any day except oun y e-tion. Member for eToodoll
had said very truly that the working population 01 rilie on
ed from early on Monday morning till aril/
were caged
Saturday
night. What chance had they of toilingt We
be and
in le
through all the miles of hot, dusty streets between o? -e•
the extreme west end of London in search of plessuivto she
they were to retain the Crystal Palace, with referertoe.oo of
gratification of the lords and ladies inhabiting the retelleot
Tyburnia and Belgravia, Hyde-park would be an '""
site. But he estimated far above the advantage of r_etaLseesi
a, public place of amusement for the upper and middle eat to
the necessity of providing some means of entertainlneero.)
the hard-toiling artisans of the metropolis.-(,Chotetro;
Great efforts had been made to induce the public of occ-setsi
polis to believe, that between the the - r se
retention o there
ealace on its present site and its total destruction 1"'" te'
Ina
no middle course.-(Hear, hear.) This was A 1009td, heel
rial departure from the truth. Whilst -be bee;ooe to
considering this question he had naturally been ano-hio
to
discover what site would be more • iteceete- Dias'
the working classes on half-holidays and summer evveeatoot
The first element in such a consideration wee cfli
transit. What facility did Hyde-park afford to the boat
population of the suburbs? The distance by otcnTnotes;
from Lambeth-stairs to Battersea was Pet 16 Tole 3",2
from Blackfriars 34 minutes ; fromSouthw sad
minutes ; from London-bridge 40 minutes 0; poi-
' from the Thames. tunnel, 50 minutes. Tb!,e,,to
tions contained . inside and surrounding ,sf.'ion
immense proportion of the working politler Docket
the metropolie.-( Hear, hear.) If they took tr & alto
Limehouse, Deptford, and Woolwich, he would 'flint jare uses
immediately contiguous to the river would not 11, P'cle_park
than eleoY or
ful and acceptable to the working classes . „peen t
-(Cheers.) As a proof of how great was We r
stesol" - tele
traffic on the river, he might mention that one 155 t Seat
company carried between London-bridge end " raigbt
wade
six millions of poesengers.-(Hear, heart a be ht
also allude to the new parks about t tboug
in other parts of the metropolis, and a i
to fit the
that the money that would be required
more °Wel"
tal Palace for permanency might be
Crys tiona- for "
tageously exnded in providing attrae . tio .49
classes their Amu rteigilbortriwolt They opt pv.