The Sun.
London, England, 1864-07-09 00:00:00

'N, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JULY 9, 1864.

of the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and reiterated
by the Under Secretary for Foreign Affairs, that France
and Russia did the same. Until the debate commenced I
was not even aware Nhen the English Government did be-
gin to menace, or when they ceased to menace. Why, the
despatch that was qu ,ted by the hon. member for the Uni-
versity of Dublin was most important, as showing the time
during which this system of menace was carried on. I
allude to the letter from Earl Russell to Lord Bloomfield, in
which the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs referred to
his conversation with Count Bernstorff. (Hear, hear.) I
also draw the attention of the house to the statements
which hove been made respecting the British fleet being
twenty-four hours' notice. (Hear.) What
not the Secretary of State for Foreign
Adreiffdadatyihrsatotiransaeitanl a;
the
House ords make mysterious allusions
Ilt.:of
respecting the Channel fleet P I also want to know what is
meant by the Secretary to the Adni.!relty when he comes
down here and hitches up his trousers like a celebrated per-
former—(" Oh, oh," and considerable laughtcr)—l did.not-
mean any offence to the noble lord, who is an orti.ament to
his profession—and says the Channel fleet is -ready to go
anywhere in twenty-lour hours ? I want to know what he
meant.

Lord C. PAGET—I merely read some answer to a qses--
;ion by the right hos. member for Droitwich. (Cheers.)
Mr DISRAELI—It was not the answer to a question of
the hon. member for Droitwich which sent the Funds down
one per cent, the next day. (Cheers.) I say there has
been a continuous system of threats. I would also
remind that all the facts upon which the Govern-
ment formed their decision respecting the question
of interference between Germany and Denmark were
in their possession months and months ago—(hear,
hear) and yet the decision was not formed till
after the Conference, and even then communicated
with a gloomy and terrific proviso at the end of the noble
lead's statement to the house. (Cheers.) The right hon.
gentleman continued to say that the Chancellor of the
Exchequer had contended that the resolution was not in
accordance with parliamentary practice, and that Mr Pitt
or Mr Fox would have moved an address to the Crown for
the diem,lssal of the Ministry. But not only was it in ac-
cordance wit the practice of Parliament, but two distinct
precedents could be shown for it—one in the case of the
Melbourne Administration, when Lord George Cavendish
moved a resolution when peace was concluded with France,
Spain, and America; and the o: her by Mr. Fox himself in
1796. (Opposition cheers.) The Chancellor of the Ex-
chequer also complained that the Government were not met
in a straightforward manner; but were they (the Opposi-
tion) met in a straightforward manner? Until he had
heard the noble lord he could not have believed that the
Government were going to shelter themselves under the
amendment of the hon. member for Bridgewater. What
was the amendment ? It was the previous question—(irm2i-
cal cheers and counter-cheers)—drawn up by an amateur
diplomatist, and moved by the historian of the Crimean war
as a compliment, he supposed, to the Emperor of the French.
(Cheers and laughter.) The noble lord had talked of the
exports and imports of the country—(laughter)—but that
was an argument as applicable to the Ashantee debate as,
the motion which then occupied the house. (Hear, hear.)
The right hon. gentleman thed denied that the Opposition
had lost any time in calling the attention of Parliament to
the question, and asked why the right hon. member for
Stroud (Mr Horsman), whom he described as the "superior
person" of the house, had not himself moved in the matter.
He then referred to the conduct of the Government in the
Polish negotiations; and, in reply to the question, where
had the influence of the country been diminished, he
answered, "everywhere." (Opposition cheers.) They had
twice within 12 months made the most importunate ap-
peals to St. Petersburg, and twice had their appeals been
rejected. (Opposition cheers.) Within the same space
of time, not twice only but manifold times, they had applied
to France in their difficulties, and France had declined to
act with them. They had menaced Austria, and Austria
had derided their menaces. They had menaced Prussia
and the Prussian Diet, and in every case they had been
treated with indifference. (Cheers.) The resolution was
not retrospective merely, but also referred to the future, and
was eminently practical, and he was confident that it would
commend itself to the feelings of the house, and be approved
by the sentiments of the country. (Opposition cheers.)
Lord PALMERSTON suggested to the hon. member for
North Warwiokshire that as the feeling of the house was
decidedly against his amendment, he should not press it.
(Loud cries of hear, hear from all parts of the house.)
_ _ _

Mr NEW UEGATE, amid strong manifestations of dis-
sent, declined to do so.

The house was then ordered to be cleared for a division.
The SPEAKER then pointed out to the house the neces-
sity of deviating from the usual mode of taking the division
by arranging that it should not be necessary for the Ayes,
when they had gone to the right, to wait for any great
number to assemble, but to pass the tellers at once, and
then, instead of returning into the house, to pass into the
lobby outside ; otherwise, as had been foreseen by the offi-
cials, the lobby where they should assemble would not be
large enough to contain the Ayes.

The right hon. gentleman then proceeded to put the
question on Mr Newdegate's amendment, when the hon.
member announced that, as he did not wish i o put the house
to iaconvenience, he should withdraw his amendment.

Mr KINGLAKE attempted, amid loud cries of "move,"
to address the house, but was obliged to resume his seat.
The question was then, in a very crowded house, put
from the chair. The resolution of the right hon. gentle-
man the member for Bucks (Mr Disraeli), was first read:
then the amendment of the hon member for Bridgwater
(Mr Kinglake) ; after which the usual motion was put,
"That the words proposed to be lett ouf stand part of the
question."

The house divided, with the following result :
Ages 295
Noes
Majority for the Government -18
The amended resolution was then put and agreed to.
The other business was disposed of, and the house ad-
journed at 10 minutes past 2 o'clock.