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Mr. Doulton, M.P., and his Constituents.

Last evening a numerous meeting of the electors
of Lambeth took place at the Horns Tavern, Ken.
nington, to hear Mr. Doulton, one of the members,
make re statement of his views and opinions in re-
spect to the course which he had pursued during
the last session of. Parliament. Amongst the gen-
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tlemen on the platform wo noticed Mr. Webber, a
member of the Common Council of the city of Lon-
don; Mr. Potter, and other influential electors who
take, an active part in the politics of Lambeth.
Mr. lames Pew was called to the chair.
The CHAIRMAN having briefly stated the object
of the meeting,
Mr. DALTON presented himself to the meeting,
and was received with loud cheers. He said that
when be last appeared before them he told them it
was his opinion that the days of Parliament were
numbered, and that if they had not soon a new
Parliament they must soon have a new Ministry.
Neither of these events, however, had taken place,
and the Ministry now seemed to be in a much
stronger position than they had been in heretofore.
(Hear, hear.) He also said on that occasion that it
was of little consequence to the country whether it
was the Earl of Derby or Lord Palmerston that
was in power. He had, however, changed his
opinion on that subject, and he was induced to do
so in consequence of the conduct which the Conser-
vatives had pursued in the course of the last ses-
sion. (Hear, hear.) In considering the business
of Parliament, they were to look as
much to what had been wisely left un-
done as to what had been done, and he must say
that if he looked to the session as a whole, he could
not subscribe to the opinion—nor did he believe the
people of this country were of that opinion—tliat it
was a barren and unprofitable one. Nor was it the
man that talked most that was to be considered the
most ueeful member of the House of Commons, for
they were to recollect that there was a great deal of

the business of the, House of Commons that was per-
formed in committees of that house, and of which
the public knew really nothing. Let them take,
for instance, the private business of the house.
Daring the last session there were 350 private acts
of Parliament passed, all of which occupied the
attention of members for many days in committee,
and all members were obliged in their turn to serve
on those committees. He might mention the fact in
reference to this matter that Lord Stanley sat on

one committee every day the house sat, until a shot
while before the close of the session. (Hear.) He
thought he saw some persons smile, and who seemed
to say, " Oh, it's very well for you to talk about sit-
ting in committees, but then you are paid for doing
so." Well, he had sat upon many committees. He
never could find out the source from which such
payments were made, and certainly if such things
had occurred he thought he was likely to know
something about them. (Laughter.) Ho had made
these observations for the purpose of showing that
the labour and duty of a' ember of Parliament were
not always to be found in the columns of the daily
journals. (Hear, hear.) But he would pass from
the private to the public business of the House of
Commons. In the course of the session of Parlia.
merit they were in the habit of having a budget
introduced in the House of Commons by
the Chancellor of the Exchequer ; and cer-
tainly not one had been introduced of late years
that had been so satisfactory as that brought for-
ward during the last session. (Hear, hear.) That
budget was in itself sufficient to redeem the session
from the charge of its being a barren and unpro-
fitable one. Until the last four or five years the ex-
penditure of the:country had gone on increasing, and
indeed it was felt that as the country was increasing
year by year in wealth, that we must expect to
find the expenditure to increase also. (Hear, hear.)
In the year 1859 the expenditure of the country
had increased to £72,000,000 ; since that time it
had decreased to £67,000,000 ; and during that
time taxes had been remitted to the public to the
extent of L 10,000,000 or £12,000,000. The budget
of last session was based upon a diminished expend
diture, while at the same time taxation was reduced
consistent with the feelings and wishes of the
public, for the duty on tea and the duty on sugar
were lowered, and there was also a reduction of the
income tax. (Hear, hear.) He trusted that the
Government would con tinue to pursue this course,
and the best security for their doing so was to keep
the present Chancellor of the Exchequer in power.
(Hear, hear.) Amongst the measures introduced
by the Government for the benefit of the people
was that relating to the Government power of in-
suring lives. He owned that when that measure
was first introduced he looked upon it with great
suspicion, but subsequent investigation of the sub-
ject induced him to come to the conclusion that it
was a wise and prudent measure, and one well cal.
culated to prove highly beneficial to those for whose
advantage it had been introduced into Parliament.
(Hear, hear.) But he must say that even if it did
not operate advantageously in the way intended, it
was still a good measure in another direction, for it
stimulated the working classes of the country to
look into the constitution and working of those in.
stitutions with which they were connected in the
form of benefit societies, and which, if properly con.
ducted, were well calculated to promote the social
welfare of those who subscribed to them. He did
not mean to say for a moment that as a whole these
institutions were not properly conducted—quite the
contrary ; but when he saw frequently in the public
papers applications made to magistrates on account
of the defalcations of persons connected with the
societies in question, he thought that any measure
which induced the working classes to carefully
consider the nature and character of these societies,
and the laws relating to there, was one that well
merited the approval of the public. (Hear.) In
the course of the session they had three great party
fights, and if in any one of them the Opposition had
been successful the Government must have resigned.
To be sure, the Opposition denied that they were
party fights, but they were so notwithstanding this
denial. (Hear, hoar.) These three fights were the
Stausfeld case, the Cape Coast Islands disaster, and
the war in Denmark. With regard to the Cape
Coast disaster, the Opposition failed to show that
the Government wore liable for that disaster, for it

was proved to be one of those accidents which ree
stilted from those little wars, which the Conserva-
tives would have carried on had they been in power,
as well as the present Government. He called such
a war as the Ashantee war a little one, as regards
its issue, while it entailed great expenditure on the
country and caused a great loss of life. (Hear.)
if the policy of the Opposition had been to get rid
of such wars, he would have supported that policy.
But Lord Derby's Government, if it had been in
power, would have done exactly as Lord Palmer-
ston's Government bad done in the matter, and if
this were so, why should he (Mr Doulton) transfer
the reins of power from. the hands of one noble lord
to those of another, when no great principle of
public policy was to be solved by it. (Hear.) But
they had another party fight, and one in which he
felt that nothing could be more humiliating to the
House of Commons—he alluded to that which arose
out of the Stansfeld case. (Hear.) When he saw the
great aristocratic party of the House of Commons
condescending to make a party fight of such a case,
he must own he never felt so much ashamed of a
party as he did on that oceasion. And why so? Be-
cause there were not 20 men in the House who had
believed that Mazzini was an advocate for assassina-
tion, and there were not two in the House who felt
that Mr Stansfeld was an advocate or a supporter of
such a line of conduct. (Hear, hear.) .He (Mr
Doul ton), knew well enough the Conservatives were
hungering for office, for he saw it in their faces—
(laughter)—but few thought these gentlemen would
lend themselves to an attack upon Mr Stansfeld in
the hope that by doing so they would turn out the
Government. (Hear, hear.) But what led to this
attack upon that hon. gentleman? Why, because
he was not a member of that charmed circle from
which men were selected to fill places in the Goa
vernment—because in fact he was merely a middle
class man—(hear)—for when he was referred to he
was designated as Mr Stansfeld the brewer, as if he
were less of a statesman from the fact of his being
only a respectable tradesman. (Hear, hear.) They
all knew the result of the party contest—the Go-
vernment were not beaten, but Mr Stansfeld, from
a high and dignified sense of honour, retired from
the position which he held in the Government.
(Hear, hear,) The hon. gentleman then referred to
the war in Denmark, and said he possibly might
differ from many of his constituents in his views as
regarded the conduct of the Government on this
subject, If the British Government had in the first
instanceknown how France proposed to act, or what
was the line which Russia intended to pursue in
the matter, then possibly it might have taken a dife
ferent course from that which it had adopted. Ile
did not mean to say the Government made no mis-
take in this matter. On the contrary he thought it
did make a great mistake; but what was that mis-
take ? It was in trusting France upon the occasion.
The mistake which England made was in believing
that he who made his way to the thron3 of France
by the grossest means—(a cry of No, a few hisses,
and ultimately loud cheers)—would have come for-
ward to assist England to uphold Denmark against
the Powers that joined to oppress her. (Hear, hear.)
If the gentleman who said " No" would come
upon the platform he would be glad to discuss
the question at issue with him. (Hear, hear.) He
said it was a mistake to trust such a man as the
Emperor of the French to carry out a promise which
he had made, unless indeed it was his interest to do
so. (Hear, hear.) It was said that the Government
first bullied the Powers opposed to Denmark, and
that it then adopted a different mode of expression
in subsequent despatches. It was true that this was
so, but the fourth communication of the British
Government to Prussia and Austria Ras based upon
the assumption that all the parties to the Treaty of
1852 would have abided by that treaty. Such, how-
ever, turned out not to be the case, for France and
Russia backed out of their engagements, and hence
the altered tone in the despatches of the British
Minister on the subject. (Hear, hear.) But what
did the British Government next do ? Why, they
proposed a Conference with the view of bringing
about a peace. The Conference failed, but was the
Government to blame for that ? Certainly not ; but
a party fight took place on the subject- Well, what
was the issue to be tried ? Not that the Govern-
ment had done wrong; but what would have been
the policy of the Conservatives in the matter if they
had been in power ? The Opposition, however,
would not abide by that issue. Their answer to this
question was in reality this—" Places first, policy
afterwards." (Hear, hear, and laughter.) And
here he would observe that a change of Ministry
was rather an expensive
thing to the country—for
they had not only to pay the new men who
came in, but they had to pension many of those
who went out. (Hear, hear.)
Such was the case
with Lord Chancellors and Secretaries of State;
and he found that they were paying
£50,000 a year
for retiring Lord Chancellors, Secretaries of State,
and the like. They had
been blessed or cursed
—he could not say which—with a Lord Chancellor
in the person of Lord Chelmsford. (A laugh.)
Well, he did not know what measure that noble
lord had passed in the Lords to entitle him to a pen-
sion of £5,000 a year, but he. at present enjoyed
that sum. (Hear.) Then, again, he found that Mr
Disraeli had a pension of £2,000 a year for his past
services as Chancellor of the Exchequer. (Hear.)
It was true that he deserved his pension very much
better than Lord Chelmsford—(hear)--but still the
fact was so, that a change of Ministry was a con-
siderable cost to the country. (Hear, hear.) The
hon. gentleman then referred to the debates which
had taken place on the Ballot and on Reform—in
the case of Mr Locke King's motion for a reform in
the county franchise, and on that of Mr Baines's
motion for a reduction of the borough franchise.
On the occasion of the debate on the latter subject
they had a speech from the Chancellor of the Ex.
chequer, which was of a highly important chum-
ter, but which in effect sent the whole question 01
reform
theginhttoact
uphoan it
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Heop would people,
not
, in order
that
further touch upon this topic, as he intended to give
the electors of Lambeth an opportunity of consider-
ing the whole of that question, There was only one
other question to which he would refer, namely,
that relating to the preservation of the commons and
open spaces in and around the metropolis. It was a
most important social question, and he was gratified
that the House of Commons affirmed the motion
which he had made on that subject. He was not
sanguine enough to hope that any immediate action
would be taken by the house on the subject,but he
hoped next year to get a committee to sit upon it,
and he hoped to obtain a favourable result from that
committee. He had now only to thank them for the
kind sympathy which they had shown him when
he was ill in the course of the last session, and to
assure them that his great desire Was to perform his
duty as their representative with zeal and fidelity
in the House of Commons. (Cheers.)
Mr. FREEMAN then moved, and Mr. WALLACE
seconded, the following resolution :—" That this
meeting desires to express its thanks to Frederick
Doulton, Esq., istp„ for his services during the
past sessiou, and its unebated confidence in him as
one of the representatives of the borough of Lam-
beth in the Commons House of Parliament." Both
gentlemen expressed their admiration of the man-
ner in which Mr. Doulton had performed his duty
as the representative of the borough in Parliament,
and said that although they did not subscribe to all
his views and opinions as expressed that evening,
they yet felt that upon the whole he was the
truthful exponent of the political opinions of the
great body of the electors of that influential
borough.- (Hear, hear.)
The resolution was then unanimously adopted.

Mr. G. M. MURPHY then proposed :—" That the
thanks of this meeting are due, and are hereby ten-
dered, to Frederick Doulten, Esq.,MY., for ob-
taining the opinion of the House of Commons on
the 28th of June last—' That it is the duty of her
Majesty's Government to provide for the preserva-