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submit to such an insult, but to return the fire, which he did
effectually. I must say my Noble Friend has adverted to the
fact of the two expeditions which were sent and the subse-
quent hostilities which occurred, and which necessitated the
retirement of the troops.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH referred not to troops,

but ships.
The Earl of DERBY —MY Noble Friend thinks the expe-
ditions were sent for hostile purposes. Now, I think the
withdrawal of the ships would have given encouragement o
the enemy. So far, however, from the expeditions
wcoansteexm.
plating hostile objects, in a subsequent letter it
presslv stated that Commodore Lambert had no inontstfrourc purtions
-
to act hostilely—that he went to the governor,
poses of war, but for peace. Commodore La ofdmbecoursprt reported
e the
the proceedings to the Governor-General, an
Governor-General of India was sensible those unfortunate
transactions must lead to a critical
k state of
th things, and
n ose precau-
that not a moment must be lost in
tions which all will agree ought to bteatailegen in order to
protect Moulmein and Arracan, and further to make prepa-
rations to go on with vigorous operations if needful. As
cam a letter from the
these preparations went on t
Governor of Rangoon, subsequently to the withdrawal of
Commodore Lambert, complaining of the. course which
had been pursued, and expressing his readiness to comply
with the requisition which had been made. The Governor-
General, without suspending military proceedings, after
collecting five native regiments and two other regiments,
with artillery, sent round to Bombay for the steam force
there ; and this may serve to show the state of efficiency
in which hich the Indian navy is kept, that the force was
dispar ehed within five days after the requisition; and then,
in order to prevent the renewal of hostilities, and at the
same time not to supersede Commodore Lambert, charged
Commodore Lambert to proceed to Rangoon, and on com-
pliance with the original demands, and on the governor ex-
pressing- regret at the insults which had been given, to re-
store the ship, to raise the blockade, and to enter into
terms of amity with the Burmese. I think my Noble
Friend will admit that the Governor- General of
India could hardly have taken a more conciliatory course
in order to avoid the calamity of war. Commodore Lambert,
on arriving at the place, found it necessary to have his
vessel (the Fox) towed by a steamer up the river, to enable
him to deliver his message, and, in order to prove the
pacific character of his mission, he, in going up the river
ordered the guns not to be loaded, and the tompions to
be kept in the guns. When fired upon by the Burmese
from a stockade, he returned the fire, and in less than
three minutes the stockade was silenced. Commodore
Lambert proceeded on and delivered his message. The
answer given was one which evaded:all compliance with the
original claims, which introduced new features and new de-
mands into the negotiations, and which required that the
negotiations should be removed from Rangoon to Mastobar.
On the receipt of this answer caQpatches were sent to the Go-
vernor-General, and the Governor-General in council, with
the unanimous acquiescence of the council, decided that no
time should be lost in trifling, but that without further
delay a blow should be struck, which it was hoped would
serve to render needless further hostilities against the
Burmese empire. With the sanction of the council the Go-
vernor-General determined to proceed with his preparations,
and to dispatch a force to the scene of operations. The Go-1
vernor-General did not even then relax hie endeavours to
Come to terms with the King of Ava, for, simultaneously
with the expedition, lie sent further communications to the
effect, that it the King of Ava, would express regret for what
had occurred—if the original conditions were complied with,
and if the sum demanded, with a considerable addition for
the expenses of the recent operations, were given, hostilities
should be suspended, and peace restored. The Governor.
General of India was aware of the inconvenience and danger
of protracting hostilities during the rainy season, and I
think I may confidently assure my Noble Friend there is
no further intention on the Governor-General's part than
this—to dispatch such an expedition as will serve to strike a
blow on Rangoon and Mast ober without delay, at the same
time so exhibiting the efficiency of the preparations, as
to lead to the restoration of peace on terms honourable to
the British Government, and to supersede the necessity of a
continuous occupation or annexation of territory. If these
steps be not successful, betore the rainy season sets in, in
inducing the Burmese authorities to agree to make submis-
sion and ti sue for peace, it will then be for the Governor-
General of India to consider what it is his duty to do. But,
my Lords, I have hope that the terms agreed upon will be
acceded to—if they should not, I am sure the Governor-
General of India will not neglect those steps which he may
be called upon to take for the maintenance of the dignity
of the empire and the honour of the British army. The
Governor-General of India is I believe quite as anxious as
my Noble Friend, and as her Majesty's Government to avoid
war, and to avoid what I should consider a misfortune—the
complete annexation of the Burmese empire to our ter-
ritories.—( Hear, hear.) If the Noble Lord desires copies or
extracts relative to the war with Ave, I can have no hesita-
tion in producing the papers, if the Noble Lord will alter his
motion in a trifling degree. The papers, I feel confident,
will satisfy the House that while no undue responsibility
rests on the Governor-General with reference to this war,
that he has done all in his power, consistently with the dig-
nity of the country, to avoid resorting to extremities and to
avoid hostilities —(Cheers.)
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH concurred in the re-
marks of the Noble Earl, that where the dignity of the Crown
or the safety of our empire made it necessary to resort to
war, that war ought to take place. He begged to move for
the papers, conformable to the Noble Earl's suggestion.
Tile motion was then agreed to.
FOREIGN REFUGEES AND BRITISH TRAVELLERS.
Lord BEAUMONT said that he should not have thought
it necessary or advisable to call attention to the subject on
which lie was going to address their Lordships if the papers
which were laid on the table were not calculated to lead
to the impression that the policy which had been pursued
heretofore with regard to those persons who were obliged
to seek a refuge on our shores was about to be changed.
He trusted that that impression was false, and that there
was no intention to abandon the principles which were so
ably laid down in the dispatch of his Noble Friend (Earl
Granville), and which were acted upon by him and by his
predecessor in office. He trusted that her Majesty's pre-
sent Government were not going to act the spy ; to play the
eaves-dropper, and to dog by the heels those unfortunate
refugees who were compelled to seek an asylum in this
country. Such co :duct on the part of her Majesty's Go-
vernment would make the right of asylum of this country a
mere mockery, and woald render a residence here as painful
to these individuals as it could be in their own. Whatever
might be the opinions of the Government respecting universal
suffrage and the domestic policy of the country, he hoped they
were nut going to abandon those which distinguished Eng-
land amongst the other countries of Europe. Ile maintained
that it was for the interests of foreign Governments that
these refugees should have a right to asylum here, for if this
country and America had refused the right of asylum,
these foreign Governments would not know how to deal
with the multitude of refugees. They might be mischievous
at home, but they were lost in the multitudinous society of
this country. If they remained at home the police and the
army would have to be augmented, and the gaols would be
crowded; here they were perfectly harmless, and could do
nothing. Yet the Government of this country was asked to
exercise a surveillance and to keep up a system of espionage
on those individuals. That was not necessary. In this
free country the press gave intelligence of all their
movements, and in the memoranda contained in the papers
before him there was nothing which had not appeared over
and over again in the newspapers. In the remarks he was
about to make he excepted Prussia and France, because
Prussia withdrew her circular, and France expressed her in-
"'
,gna'ion at being classed with the other powers. In the
dispatch of his Noble Friend the true principles were laid
down which should guide this country in its conduct to-
wards refugees Noble Lord having read the dispatch
of Earl Granville, proceeded
roceeded to say that if these refugees
went so far as t
tive Governme4 propose to levy war against their respec-
tive it would become the duty of this country
to take active 'taps to prevent them trotn
complainedproceeding
with such preparations, But these Governments
'wehre conspifuring.ees were conspiring, Why, of course they
Europe, and theyeQhn had ramifications
existed in several parts of
1830 there had been ramiacations here. Ever since
that period there was a conspiraciesconspiracy in Europe. Ever since
party in France for thrsPiracY
Zion of the Bourbons, amongst the ligitimatist
No doubt
of elf cling a restore-
there were Italians, there was in
Italy,
the Austrain power in Its!
a conspiracy to overthrow
and wherever there were H2—.9° and wherever
doubt in Hungary,
racy to overthrow the Austrian prase, there was a conspi-
.easti.
this he was cony need, that the Nleer ndalinguenrgouarsYPortßiount ()off
Listed in this country.
those conspiracies was that. whichwoux
sub:prtibstettwhebicbV' awas
far more formidable conspiracy
existed in the
carried on concealed, and which might
havebeen
meet unaware,. In 1831 such a cons
Govern-
Papal states, and it was successtul for acY
hoped that the dispatch of his Noble Friend would wiiinea.
n
the last on this subject. On the 4th of Febroul- evelahviaerd,
a dispatch was sent from the Austrian Government uar hw
- must have created surprise and regret even on the' parteobf
those who were most friendly to that Gevernrnent.—
hear. ) In that dispatch the Austrian Government 41-11Naeraerd
they were not satisfied with the statements of his
Friend, and that they.would avenge themselves for nor,obtoalile
ing satisfaction by taking severe measures against those a..un-
fortunate Englishmen who happened to be travelling in th
Austrian dominions. Now he did not mean in the least to
dispute the right of Austria to make such general regula-
tions with regard to passports as she thought the internal
security and tranquillity of her dominions required. But
it seemed to him that she designed to single out par-
ticular cases as objects for extreme persecution. On
the sth of March, however, there was another dispatch
from the Austrian Government, signed by Prince Schwarz-
enberg, in which he stated that the Imperial Cabinet had
received with genuine satisfaction the intelligence of the
formation of a new Government in this country. Prince
Schwarzenberg then proceeded to analyse the speech which
the Noble Earl opposite delivered on the 27th February, and
from it he drew the inference that there was to be a change
in the foreign policy of the new Government. The Noble
Earl certainly laboured under the disadvantage of not being
always understood—(Laughter)—and even when he under-
stood an explanation of a former speech, the explanation
seemed to make things still less inteiligible than before.—
(Hear, hear, and laughter.) That might be the case with
regard to the speech of the Noble Lord to which Prince
Schwarzenberg referred, but to him (Lord Beaumont) the
Noble Earl seemed to nay nothing but that the law would be
his guide, and that he would nut even strain the law.—
(" Hear," from the Earl of Derby.) The Austrian Govern.
went, then, either drew an erroneous inference from the
speech of the Noble Earl, or something passed between the
two Governments which did not appear in these papers. The
Noble Earl opposite (Earl of Malmesbury) replied to this
communication of the Austrian Government on the 15th of
March. The Noble Earl stated that her Majesty's Govern-
ment had received with " the liveliest pleasure" this dis-
patch of Prince Schwarzenberg; and he went on to say
that " it afforded the greater satisfaction to her Majesty's
Government, becaueeewitheut reference to the past—("Hear,
bear," from the Earl of Derby)—it lays the foundation of a
renewed geod understanding between the two countries."
Now, he (Lord Beaumont) thought there ought to be a
" reference to the past," because the dispatch of the 4th of
February remained in the Foreign-office, and it was so ex-
tremely offensive, that it
such an it ought either to be withdrawn, or
explanation
the Government of
of it given as would be satisfactory to
was moderate compared
allowedure I art n,..
this country. The language of Russir
of all the Government,,
withoutof A u Austria, tr
takingi a, which
au.yasltoenpes,
to remove what was una
thisotedly insulting
the Government of and derogatory to
treatment of Englkh seer may. He now came to the
call the attention of their Lordships
Austria, and he begged to
Mr. Wingrove in particular. tships to the case of the Rev.
Clergy-
man of tile Scotch church, and g
was a O
Psth in 18-11 with Ch., d,,,,..L appeared he went
Jews. He resided in 11ungariT,r'n of converting the
a Foreign-office passport properly rise? 1811. He had
• It
the Huirgarians endeavoured to press him ft, appeared tbhuatt
desist e c
(fin°n itheear n3l sou
go
fh i
January,scliaret ehr ,0
wancvderaae
13,:,,,,,. they
ea Plan'atihiee A •
to remaila
Goviatedirtt, without giving
.him any
him fay-Vat...the Austrian dominions, and he am j,'.,' ordered
.---
...,e, ea obey the edict in the midst of wins's lamil
litae-` 2"rattlfb;" frozen over, although be bad e,etrat alien.
anvil were 1 , and that their liv
ficates th4rbig-i. `' ---- ' were forced to proceed.
tt,c
• ea would
.bis eudalmeredl they
.tie
at 1,c,,,tb bad shown greet feeling towards him, and

made to Vienna, but ans
done all they could to mitigate hwiaastfteaarint
and as the pass-
Ws through six different bureaus, immense
sufferings. Appeal
wash
and day and night was pweerrtea ordered to
pgo ant wo er
.three. days, .
difficulties were encountered,
length turned out in the depth occu-
pied in going through. thesedth
of winter,
dithhaedy
tow were at
ahundredseveral of of
themiles,
family.to theA
similarseriouswinj ar
hardshipinjury f
had hheeael
at h
in-
flicted on Mr. Edwards, who, with his wife, had suffered
very much. He made great allowance for the severity
necessary in Austria, believing that if the police force
were relaxed, the present Government would be in danger.
The fact was, the Government was hated all over the em-
pire, and not much loved in Vienna ; extraordinary measures
were therefore necessary to maintain it. But the prosecu-
tion of an innocent man like this was nothing more than
petty revenge. In conclusion he would ask the Noble Lord
tohe
whether
theain
tohpipeotsrlatensiafethiaenw. asHepraelapeareeadlledtoea mgihvieantyo
Government was prepared to abide the policy that had al-
spteapteerew
ways been pursued with regard to refugees or to do that
which was contrary moo ustice and derogatory to the honour
of the nation. He d for the correspondence regarding
the expulsion of Mr. Wingrove.
The Earl of MALMESBURY said he should try to profit
by the lecture .of the Noble Lord ; but it did not quite
follow, when a statement was made and not understood, that
the reason of its not being understood lay with the person
who made it.—(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord had asked a
question the other night about the arrest of an English
mechanic in Austria. The facts of the case were these. Sir
Stratford Canning had employed a man to do some work,
and on his wishing to return to England, had supplied
him with a passport, and confided some dispatches to his
care. The man, dressed as an artisan, and not travelling
as couriers usually travel, was arrested by the police, on
suspicion of being identical with a man who had robbed
some one of 1,6001. in banknotes. He was detained and
searched ; but as soon as he was taken to the man who had
lost the money he was liberated. The Noble Lord opposite
(Granville) had remonstrated with the Austrian Government.
They had explained the matter, and sent an order for the
punishment of the policeman. He (Lord Malmesbury) re-
gretted any misfortune of that kind to an Englishman tra-
velling in a foreign country; but this could not be attributed
to any feeling of revenge, for it happened two months before
the dispatch in question was written. This was a thing
which might have happened in any, even the freest country.
His own French cook had been arrested by a policeman in
the free town of Glasgow (as was understood), exposed to
the hootings of the people, and kept for two hours at the
police-station; he was then released, and very civilly told
by the magistrate that the officer had served him right, he
was such a queer-looking man.—(Hear, bear,__ and laugh-
ter. )111e owned he thought the case of Mr. Wingrove was
one of great hardship. He was a harmless, conscientious
man; and the Austrian Government could not be too much
blamed, if not for their want of toleration, at least for not
giving these men sufficient time to collect their goods and
quit the country at their convenience.—(Hear, hear.) Still
he thought the statement which had been read by the Noble
Lord opposite was not the sort of statement which would
have been made by such a good and religious man as Mr.
Wingrove. In opposition to this he would read the statement
of Mr. Grey, the Consul at Pesth. He stated that the ex-
pulsion took place during the month of January—a full
month before that threatening dispatch to which the Noble
Lord had alluded. He added that Mr. Wingrove and Mr.
Smith had been requested to send in a written statement of
their case to the Chancellerie; but, instead of doing so, they
appeared there in person, after an interval of 10 days. They
desired to be allowed to travel by easy stages; leave for this
was granted, and instructions to that effect were given to
the police. He (Lord Malmesbury) was sorry to find that at
a public meeting held in Scotland, a clergyman had made
the same statement as had been made by the Noble Lord,
and had charged Lord Westmoreland with behaving with
the greatest negligence. Such statements ought not to be
made, when the parties were not prepared to substantiate
them. As to the general observations of his Noble Friend
, on the correspondence that had taken place with the Aus-
, trian Government, he would say that he blamed no man for
policy,suivpheer
ino
r it
to h a
hd bmeseenl
f.s o latel y n
might t b e
justly han desxopfe
eat
suchfaran
apprehensions to be entertained. When he was named by
her Majesty to fill the place he now held, he knew well that
it was to no merit of his own that he owed that honour,
but to the partiality of an old and valued friend (Lord
Derby), and to the confidence which her Majesty placed
in his recommendation. He knew he should be totally
wanting in experience of the mode of carrying ton the poli-
tical matters of this country. He had never held office ; he
had never asked for office; was perfectly inexperienced in
the routine of business in all respects. He had but ene re-
collection, which inspired him with some encouragement—
that he had had the education of an English gentleman, the
first principle of which was, and he hoped ever would be,
that the dignity of the Crown and the honour of his coun-
try was to every consideration paramount.—(Hear, hear.)
If he required any other encouragement, he found it in
recollecting that his Noble Friend opposite (Lord Granville),
his junior in years, and almost as inexperienced as himself
in that particular office, had, in the short time he had
held it, inspired the utmost: confidence in all those with
whom he had been in communication, and had left a
name behind him such as he (Lord Malmesbury) should be
proud to leave.—(Hear, hear.) If personal malice or party
spite were to invent the worst calumny against him that
could be uttered, it would be that on this question of foreign
refugees he did not hold entirely the opinions that had been
expressed in the dispatch of his Noble Friend opposite.—
(Chem.) He could conceive the pleasure of a refugee on
reaching the shores of England; but it was not greater
than that which every Englishman felt in knowing that
his country afforded an asylum for those persons.—(Hear.)
As long as he had the honour of being in the Government,
and managing foreign affairs, he declared that, from ne
country in Europe, or in any other part of the world, would
be consent to receive a demand to change those laws which
regulated our treatment of refugees. He would not
answer belch demands by any rhetorical writing, or
by any epigrammatic dispatch, because he did not think the
purpose of diplomacy was anything but conciliation ; but he
would answer them, though in a conciliatory spirit, as the
first Barons who sat in that House had answered their So-
vereign—Nolunaus Anglia leges mutari.—(Cheers.) He
would add, in the sense and in the principle of the policy
laid down by his Noble Friend near him (Lord Derby), that
the same law which would be inexorably maintained in fa-
vour of the refugees, would as inexorably punish them if
they brought their proceedings into such a shape as to break
that law.—(Hear, hear.) But he must contend that there
was nothing in the correspondence before their Lordships to
justify the suspicions which had been expressed of the Go-
vernment by the Noble Baron opposite. The Noble
Lord had more than insinuated that some secret
understanding had been entered into, between her
Majesty's Ministers and the Austrian Government, which
had induced Prince Schwartzenberg to write the dis-
patch that had been referred to. This he totally denied.—
( Hear.) It was entirely without foundation. Not only had
no such communication taken place, he believed such a
thing had never entered the imagination of any of her
Majesty's Ministers. Had the Noble Lord looked at the
dates of the dispatches, he would have seen that it was
almost physically impossible for any such communication to
be made, so as to permit Prince Schwartzenberg to write his
dispatch of the sth as a consequence of that communication.
When his Noble Friend (Lord Derby) had made the state-
ment he had done in reference to our foreign relations, not
a peer in that House had risen to allude to the subject. A
great deal had been said about free trade and domestic affairs
generally, but not a word as to our foreign policy, not even
by the Noble Lord (Beaumont) opposite. Perhaps the Noble
Lord was satisfied with the statement. If so, he was in the
same situation with Prince Schwartzenberg, though he had
not expressed that satisfaction. He (Lord Malmesbury),
on receiving that dispatch from Prince Schwartzenberg,
could not do less than express his gratification at the sen-
timents expressed by the Austrian Minister.—(Hear, hear.)
It had been said that Austria was not our oldest ally,
but that that honour belonged to Portugal. He believed
that this was a mistake. The first treaty with Austria
was as early as 1202 ; that with Portugal was in 1386.
Phis was no sort of consequence, only it proved that
these dispatches had been pretty well sifted.— (Hear, hear.)
With reference to his own dispatch, he must say that there
was nothing 30 strong in his expressions as to warrant the
suspicion that he was about to destroy the liberties of his
country, or even those of the refugees. It was nothing more
than acivil answer to a civil dispatch.—( Hear.) He agreed
in every part of the statement of his Noble Friend (Lord
Derby), and should do all in his power to give effect to the
principles there enunciated.
Earl GRANVILLE said there appeared to be a general
concurrence amongst public men of all parties as to the
principles be had laid down last January with regard to
refugees. While this country refused to limit the hospi-
tality it extended to those persons, or to take from other
countries the definition of crime, it recognised the duty
of suppressing all overt attempts against the liberties of
other countries —( Hear, hear.) It had been asked why he
suffered six weeks to elapse before answering the dispatch
of Prince Schwartzenburg, and why the last communication,
received immediatelyprior to the resignation of the late
"
Goys
not handed over by
Government, had been returned, and
him to his reference to the first point, the
Lord Noble successor ?In
said he had thought the matter one which
demanded th
consideration. In returning the
last note thateb fullest had acted in a manner
which he ad been received he _
thought least likely to entail difficulties on the
new Governmen
had taken placstZ(Rear.) As to the correspondence which
N'tis'isord op-DZ'tween the Austrian Government and the
Austrian thrrein he did
not think it unnatural that the
settled relationsmweln4eeling the inconvenience of the un-
should have expressed'. had existed while he held office,
meat. He had regrette"tiefaetion at the change of Govern-
relations with Austria d he had not been able to put our
other states, and admlttehe same footing as
those
with
such countries should be in how desirable it was that two
feeling jealous of the Noble Earl relations. So far from
this object, he sincerelysejoicedera because he accomplished
been made to the seizure of alit it.
e '(Hear.) Reference had
dispatches. He did not think thnit.'-u
„seer who was bearing
case was so satisfactory s see . s•
as the Noble Lo planation in tnis
it. Of Mr. Wingrove's case he possessed rd. seemed to think
ton than had been given by the Notatee
.11°_,tarther 'nf
The Marquis of BREADALBAN "'"'" °PPosti
num-
ber of English workmen were E said thee a tot:*
Pesth. Messrs. Win rove and Smith en railways
and by sending them away the
menthhwa were their mineltserat
religious instruction. He hoped this dbeen deprived ;
sidered by the Government. matter would e
00 of
Lord BEAUMONT said few ° con-
claimed words in 1
claimed having thrown any imputation f reply. Re die..
Westmoreland, and said he was glad toe teeegence "Lord
Lord opposite entertained the same sent. r that the Noble
expressed by his Noble Friend near hi manta as had been
on the subject of refugees. m (Lord Granville)
The motion was then withdrawn.
PATENT LAW AMENDMENT (No 2) BILL.
After a conversation, this Bill passed through
pro
,forma, with the understanding that Committee
should afterwards be introduced. some amendments
The Mutiny Bill and the Marine M • •
seve-
rally read a second time. Mutiny Bill were
The Indemnity Bill passed through Committee,
and the
House adjourned at a little before Eight o'clock.

SOUTH-EASTERN RAILWAY.
Gross traffic receipts for passengers
and goods, week ending April 3,
1852 ~, ••• ... ... 410,882 10 6
Ditto, April 5, 1851 ... ... 10,110 16 2

Increase in 1852 ... ... .C 771 14 4
London Terminus, Aprils. 1852.

LEwES.—ROMANIST TOLERATION.--A young lady
a native of Lewes (whose name has in confidence been given
to us) this week returned from Italy, where she has been
staying some time. She states that when she arrived there
the Customs officers, in searching her trunk, took away her
Bible—the parting present of her father - and daring the
whole of her stay there she was unable to obtain another
copy, or even the loan of one, so that she was wholly pre-
cluded the use and consolation of the sacred volume! This
is papal toleration, and it is for the education of priests in
such a creed as this that public money is to be granted year
' after year,—Sussex Express,