The Sun.
London, England, 1852-02-28 00:00:00

SATURDAY EVENING,

stated, that in this country the principle of Customs'
duties adopted for the last few years had been eo to im-
pose duties as to make them fall as much as possible
upon goods imported from abroad, not competing with
similar goods produced in this country. On the other
hand, he had Veld the House that in the United States
tho principle was the reverse, and they did not tax
some of the great articles of consumption produced only
abroad, but they taxed articles produced partly at home
and partly abroad, with the avowed object of giving
what was called " protection" to the home producer; and
the Noble Earl said that the effect of this system of taxa-
tion was only partially to raise the price of the imported
commodity, and cot to levy so large an amount of taxa-
tion upon the people. Now he (Earl Grey) looked at the
matter in the opposite light. In his opinion, when you
imposed a duty upon a commodity partly produced at
home and partly imported, you raised the price to the
consumer, not only of the imported article, but of the
home hear)—aud a large amount had
to be produce—(Hear,padbythe
consumer, not sixpence of which went
into the public Exchequer. The proof of this might be
found in the very case of corn, to which the Noble Lord
had adverted. There were formerly duties upon corn
imported from abroad. The Noble Earl wished to raise
a duty of this kind for revenue. If he did so, ho would
raise the price to the consumer, not only of the 4,000,000
or 5,000,000 quarters which perhaps he might expect
under such a duty as he would propose, but perhaps of
eight or ten times the quantity imported, and the amount
go into the Exchequer. Suppose a ss. duty
u'pton 4,000,000 quarters imported, it would bring
te wouldeviefo
revenue of 1,000,000/. into the Exchequer;
taking five times that quantity of corn as the
quantity produced at home, it would raise the
price of that 25,000,000 quarters to the con-
sumer by the amount put on as duty, and so,
for the purpose of getting 1,000,000/. into tho Ex-
chequer, the consumers of bread in this kingdom would
have to pay 6,000,0001.—(i1ear.) But by acting upon
the opposite principle, repealing the duties which were a
virtual tax upon the community, though they brought
nothing into the Exchequer—(llear, hear)—reducing the
duties levied upon the system the Noble Earl proposed
to eetahlish—(dear, hear)—the effect had been, as he
(Earl Grey) stated on the first night of the session, that
within tho last few years duties had been repealed to a
very large amount--12,000,0001. or 13,000,0001. a year
—while the revenue, instead of diminishing, had been
kept at its former amount.—(Hear, hear.) Both theory
and practice proved tho correctness of this principle.—
(Hear.) He would only add that he had heard with a
regret, he would say with a consternation, which he was
altogether at a loss to describe, that the Noble Earl pro-
posed to apply that most unsound principle of commerce
and finance to the food of the people.—(Clear, hear.) It
was with consternation that ha had heard the House told
that by the authority of the Government a measure was
to be proposed for again imposing a tax of this kind.—
(Some cries of " No " from the Ministerial benches.)
The Earl of DERBY rose and said,—l must beg to
correct that statement. What I said was, that I saw no
reason, in my own opinion, why corn should form an
exception from the general principle of imposing duties
upon foreign produce, but that that was a question which
ought to be settled, and which could only be settled, by
the deliberate judgment of the large and intelligent
community of the country. I stated that neither with
regard to that, nor with regard to dealing with the
great and complicated question of our financial policy,
had I any intention of making any proposition on the
part of her Majesty's Government until that public opi-
nion should be decidedly and emphatically expressed.
Earl GREY was greatly relieved by hearing that ex-
planation.—(A laugh.) To a certain degree he had
understood the Noble Earl, but not quite in the
sense which he now stated. What be (Earl
Grey) had understood the Noble Earl to say
was, that he laid down what he considered the sound
and proper principle of commercial legislation, that
the application of that principle required great care and
deliberation, and a measure founded upon it could not
bo produced in a hurry. He therefore expected, and
thought it perfectly reasonable, that the Noble Earl
should propose no such measure on an early day. But
undoubtedly he did understand that the Noble Earl
looked to revising the commercial policy of the country
upon the principle which ho stated, as the means of
revenue, and that in that general revision of our com-
mercial policy corn was not to be an excluded article. If
he was wrong in so understanding the Noble Earl, ho
begged his pardon; but he still thought, to the best of
his recollection and understanding, that the words de-
livered by the Noble Earl could not he otherwise under-
stood. Now, upon that he wished to make this addi-

tional observation :
The Earl of DERBY again rose and observed that
he had already, correcting a misapprehension on the
part of the Noble Earl, stated what ho thought he did
say, and what he knew he meant to say, and the Noble
Earl had remarked that ho was much relieved by the
explanation; and yet the Noble Earl was proceeding to
repeat what he had understood him (the Earl of Derby)
to say, but which he hoped he had satisfied the House
that he was misunderstood to say—and then upon that
misunderstanding, so corrected, was proceeding still to
argue.—(Hear, hear.)
Earl GREY had explained in what sense ho had un-
derstood the Noble Earl's words, and had said he was
glad to find that the Noble Earl put a somewhat different
construction upon them, but to his (Earl Grey's) mind,
even now, the construction was not very clear, and at
first hearing them it was not in his power to put any
ocher construction upon them than that which he did
put. Even at this moment he was not quite convinced
that he accurately apprehended the Noble Earl—(Some

lauehter)—because he did not know, from what the
Noble Earl had stated, whether this revision upon what
he deemed the sound principle of legislation was contem-
plated by her majesty's Government or not. Now, with
regard to that, without pressing for an immediate deci-
sion or answer, yet, as one deeply interested in that
question, as a member of the community, every class of
which was deeply interested in that question, ho
would implore the Noble Earl to let no long time go by
before ho explained distinctly and clearly the views of
her Majesty's Government upon that most exciting and
agitating question.—(Hear, Lear.) After the events of
the question of a tax upon the food of
h
t one to be kept long in suspense or to
Ltbheeel ilPgalsi°ttP/ tYI7 waiPY4Pes:nriLu' he d (11 ear, hear. ) The country was
entitled to know—he did not say on that night—he did
not say within a fortnight—but he did say at a very
early period—the clear and decided intentions of the
Government.—(Hear, hear.) Ho would implore the
Noble Earl, in justice to the great interests affected by
leaving this question in doubt, that he would not allow
that doubt to coutinne longer than was absolutely in-
evitabee—(Hear, scar.) Let the House only consider
the effect of that doubt. There was not a transaction
between landlord and tenant—(Hear' hear)—thero was
not a trade or manufacture—(hear,, hear)—which was
by thef public being in ignorance of what was
to not
tbe affectedthe
policy
the country upon this all-important
question•—(llear, hear.) In justice to the great inte-
rests that were affected, ho trusted the country would
not be lung before it had some clear and distinct intima-
tion of the views of the Government.—(Hear, hear.) We
were not to be told that this was a question to be cast
n
loose and decided by public opinion; that was not
the way for a Government to deal with a question of this
sort. It was their duty to have a policy upon such
subjects, and, having that policy, distinctly to avow it,
and to take the responsibility y of submitting it to Parlia-
ment.—(Bear, hear.)
Earl F 1 rzwILLIAm had hoped that, after the
speech of his Noble Friend, who had explained the posi-
tion in which he 8- t
end, no further debate would have
taken places--(hear, hear.) After his ample, frank, and
honourable explanation of his position, the circumstances
by which he hod been induced to undertake his great
tusk, and the difficulties of the situation in which he was
placed, he was in hopes that that Noble Earl would have
been the sole speaker on this occasion. The Noble Earl
(Earl Grey) had dashed those hopes from his mind.
Greatly, too, did ho lament that that Noble Earl, instead
of taking a comprehensive view of the speech which had
been addressed to the House, had chosen to select one
particular topic, and that the most exciting one—(Hear,
hear)—for discussion and commentary. This was a
question in which he (Earl Fitzwilliarn) felt no little in-
terest. He believed he might say that he was in Parlia-
ment the very first person who made an Bawd( upon
what he might call the ruedivevel system of the corn-
laws—(A laugh)-8, that ho might consider himself,
to a certain degree (though perhaps it would be
thought presumption to say it), the parent of the
system recently established. lie did not think
the speech of the Noble Earl, and the mode
in which he expressed himself upon the subject,
called for animadversion in the manner which it had
been thought proper to adopt.—(Hear.) He (Earl Fitz-
witliam) did not consider that the wisest and best course
was taken. Whether it would be wise in the Noble
Earl, even after he should have (what he called) collected
the sentiments of the intelligent people of this country
upon the subject, to endeavour to revise the law, was
another question. There were many wise laws which
wise men could not undertake to propose at all times.
He would venture to suggest a doubt whether, although
there was an error and a great fallacy in the view which
his Noble Friend took of the effect of any duty upon
the price of corn, the people of this country, after for
some time enjoying the benefit of tho abrogation of the
duty on foreign corn, and tasting the sweets of cheap
bread, could be induced to submit to the smallest impo-
sition of duty, even for purposes of revenue: the nominal
ls. duty could hardly be considered any duty at all.
But ho entirely dissented from his Noble Friend's notion
respecting a duty upon foreign corn, raising the price
not only of every quarter of corn imported, but every
quarter of corn grown in this country. That fallacy had
been put forth in the Free Trade-hall at Manchester, be-
cause it suited the purpose to proclaim that a duty would
raise the price to the amount of that duty; and the same
falla4 was propagated, for their purpose, by gentlemen
who were bidding for the support of the farmers. But
it was a fallacy. With respect to the other part of
the speech of the Noble Earl, it would be difficult for
the most critical auditor to find much fault with it. ile
stated with great clearness and felicity of expression the
duties of this country towards foreign nations—(llear,
bear)--let it he hoped that in his Administration of the
Governmenn he would adhere to the principles and act
,
upon the maxims he had ear')enunciated.—(lienr.blz,
Upon another point the speech gave him (Earl .t
e would
Ham) great satisfaction. He quite agreed that oyery
not do tor the Government of this country t.os. lie
few years tampering with constitutional "
hralt6b is Noble
heard, therefore, with great satisfaction t _
' la a certain n<14.,,,,t,
Friciel did not intend to proceed wit
bt r House tor the
which had been introduced in the lor3in
in Parliament.
purpose of what wascalled a further re
were most dan-
These " further reforms in Parliament"these questions were
genus. The result would be, if
that there would be
agitated every ten or twenty years,
of the community, Bens
in the minds of a large portiona great indifference to the
sible and thinking 1e believed a very 1
fare fraction of
Popular franchise. Ile d be of opinion that it Would b
- the community would

better to live under a mild and tranquil despotism—
(A laugh)—that to be constantly changing the cousti-
tutional rights of the people. He hoped that the Noble
Earl who had been called upon to form an Adminis-
tration would, within a short period, state to the House
the principles on which he proposed to conduct the
Government of the country, and the nature of the
measures he intended to submit to Parliament.
The Marquis of CLANRICARI)E could not help en-
tering his protest against the censure pronounced by the
Noble Earl who last spoke upon his Noble Friend the
late Secretary for the Colonies (Earl Grey) for the very
judicious, and, as he (the Marquis of Clanricarde)
conceived, the not only justifiable but necessary remarks
ho had made upon a portion of the statement of the
Noble Earl opposite. He thought that upon such an oc-
casion as the present it was advisable to avoid any wide
and extended discussion; but when he considered the
particular question to which the Noble Earl opposite
(the Earl of Derby) had alluded, and the language be
had held, ho thought his Noble Friend was perfectly
right in expressing those sentiments, in which he (the
Marquis of Clauricarde) cordially concurred. Ile must
remind their Lordships that this question was not first
forced upon their attention during the present session
by his Noble Friend (Earl Grey) or by the late Govern-
nt, but that the Noble E irl opposite (the Earl of
Derby), on the very first day of the session, thought it
so necessary that the Government should express an
opinion upon the subject that he blamed there tor emit-
ting such a matter in the speech from the Throne. The
question was not alluded to in the Speech or in the Ad-
dress, but the Noble Earl thought it necessary to declare
his opinion that, at the price of corn which now
ruled, the cultivation of wheat in this country must
cease to an alarming and dangerous degree. If, then,
that was the opinion expressed by the Noble Earl (the
Earl of Derby) on the first night of the session, he
thought the ambiguous language in which ho had now
referred to the subject was fairly remarked upon by his '
Noble Friend (Earl Grey). He (the Marquis of Clan-
ricarde) understood the Noble Earl opposite to say that
his opinions were unchanged, and that as soon us he
could get a majority he would act upon them, though,
until he had a majority he would not endeavour to carry
them out.—(hear, and some expressions of dissent.)
The Noble Earl, as ho understood, said that as soon as
he had a majority the corn-laws would be changed, but
that as long as the majority of the country was iu favour
of the existing laws he would retain them. He thought
such a statement was fairly open to objection on the pert
of his Noble Friend, for it left every transaction in this
country depending upon those laws in a state of doubt
and uncertainty. Although he (the Marquis of Clanricarde)
agreed in the main part of the doctrines laid down by the
Noble Earl opposite as to the conduct of this country
with regard to its foreign relations, some remarks fell
from the Noble Lord which, at this particular moment,
he had not heard with satisfaction; neither was he en•
. _

tirely satisfied with the mode in which the Noble Lord
had touched upon another subject, with reference to
which he thought the Government ought to be more
frank and explicit—what the Noble Earl termed, on the
first night of the session, the Protestant securities of this
country. The Noble Earl (the Earl of Derby) had, on
the first day of the session, gone out of his way upon
that subject, and declared that either the laws as at pre-
sent constituted were defective, or that the late Govern-
ment was deficient in energy in the carrying out of those
laws. Tho natural inference must be, either that the
Noble Earl intended to alter the law, or to administer it

in a different spirit from what had hitherto been the
case. He thought it was very desirable that the Noble
Earl should lay before their Lordships fairly and fully
a statement of the views and opinions of the Govern-
ment, as soon as they had had an opportunity of duly
considering the important questions now in abeyance.
The Earl of ABERDEhN (who spoke from the Op-
position side of the House) said—lf I may venture to
detain the House for a few moments, I wish to state very
shortly the impression which the speech of my NOle
Friend opposite (the Earl of Derby), or some portions of
it, has made upon my mind. Although the Noble Earl
below me (Earl Grey) has expressed very much the sen-
timents I entertain upon one subject, nevertheless there
are one or two points to which I am desirous of re-
ferring. My Lords, long and intimately connected as I
have been with the eminent man whose untimely fate
we all deplore, and whose loss—in proportion as the
difficulties of the country increase—we shall have more
and more cause to lament, I think this is not an unfit-
ting occasion, the very first which presents itself, for me
to declare a determined adherence to his policy—(Hear,
hear)—and a determination to maintain, as far as in my
humble power lies, the permanence of that great
system of commereial policy which ho established.—
(Hear, hear.) I have no right or authority to speak for
others; but 1 shall be much surprised and disappointed if
all those who co-operated with him in establishing that
policy should not be found to entertain the same senti-
ments-which I now express.—(Hear, and cheers.) My
Noble Friend opposite has described the principles upon
which he considers the policy of this country connected
with commercial matters should rest; and he has on other
occasions, as well as to-night, adverted to the possibility
of the imposition of duties on the provisiOns of the people,
if not for protection, at least for revenue. Now, my
Lords, this distinction, I confess, is not very intelligible
to me.—(Hear, hear.) It appears to me to be shadowy
and unreal, but at all events to me it has no application,
for I am equally prepaeed to oppose a duty upon corn,
whether it be for revenue or protection.—(Hear, hear.)
I think the time is past when any such tax could ever
again be levied.—(Hear, hear.) I consider the system
established by my late Honourable Friend to have been
already eminently successful.—(Hear, hear.) I am
convinced that, by a perseverance in that system, its
wisdom will become more and more apparent; and I
therefore take this opportunity of declaring my firm ad-
herence to that legacy which he has left to his succes-
sors.—(Hear, hear.) Ido not wish to enter further into
the topics of the speech of my Noble Friend. I have
already adverted to a point on which I am totally at
variance with him, and, us far as I know, there are no
other subjects upon which I may not hope to have the
pleasure of giving him my humble support. In all that
portion of his speech in which he laid down the course of
policy he meant to pursue towards foreign powers I
entirely acquiesce. He and I have acted together for
the last ten or twelve years, in office and out of office, in
full concert and communication on these subjects and, as
far as I am aware, there is not the shade of a' difference
between us. In all that he has said to-night I fully con-
cur. Upon the other portions of his speech I have no
observation to make, nor is any called for at this mo-
ment. I tun quite aware—fully aware—of the great
difficulties with which my Noble Friend is encompassed,
and I can assure him that he may rely upon receiving
from me, whenever it is in my power, a cordial and a
most sincere support.—(Bear, hear.)
Lord BROUGHAM begged to suggest to the Noble
Earl opposite (the Earl of Derby) that the House ought
not to adjourn for a longer period than was necessary,
but that an opportunity should be afforded of proceed-
ing next week with judicial business. That business
had been almost inevitably interrupted, but he thought
that, if possible, they ought to proceed with it nextweek.
It was perfectly clear from the bulk of the statement
made by the Noble Earl (Derby) that almost all ques-
tions were to be for a certain time in abeyance, with one
exception—matters relating to social improvement. He
hoped the Noble Earl meant to include under that head
the great and important question of the amendment of
the law.—(Hear, hear.) With respect to the conversa-
tion that had taken place on the subject of the corn-
laws, he (Lord Brougham) wished to avoid entering
into that question. He entirely concurred in the opi-
nions of his Noble Friend (Earl Grey), though he did
not participate for a moment in his alarm. His
(Lord Brougham's) apprehensions were at once
quieted when the Noble Earl (Derby) stated that
he expressed his individual opinions, but that
whether the Government was prepared to found
measures upon those opinions, and to propound them to
Parliament, must depend upon the sense of the country
—the general disposition of the country. To that pro-
position he (Lard Brougham) entirely assented, though
how this opinion was to be taken, and at what time, he
was not aware.—(A. laugh.) He understood his Noble
Friend opposite to say that a dissolution in the present
state of affairs was out of the question, and he (Lord
Brougham) heartily rejoiced that that was his opinion.
The Noble Earl had intimated that measures not requir-
ing an immediate appeal to the country would be forth-
with proceeded with, and he hoped the great question of
the amendment of the law would stand, if not in the
front rank, at least near that position.
The Earl of DERBY observed, that what hehad stated
was that, excluding those great party questions:as to which
it was notorious that the Government were at present in a
minority in the House of Commons, and which could there-
fore only be brought forward with the certainty of defeat,
he thought they might usefully confine themselves to
dealing with those great measures, which were generally
called for by the country, of legal reform and social
improvement.— [Lord BROUGHAM—That escaped me.]
His Noble and Learned Friend the Lord Chancellor,
when he took his seat in the House, would lose no time
in applying his powerful mind to the consideratiocnmof
the subject, and the promotion of those reforms reo
Lord
mended by the Commission.—(Hear, hear,
Brougham.) He would now propose that
bytheir that daY
Lord-
ships should adjourn to Monday next, and bo
possible to
it would be ascertained whether it would bo frm Lord-
however,
proceed with the judicial business.
be understood that the House woultdeistbitit
lion of judicial business or of sfiltshseontrlayn, saane:l
that no matter of public businperssivosUdidioterilberzugash t
theyfor-
ward while the House of Commons
o,
must necessarily do, for the elhectiere on
wof
uld, Ministers
be
of course .
Lord BROUGHAM said ton
judicial business should
the part of the House,
a general understanding,
and
that nothing but private
be transacted.
Their Lordships then adjourned to Monday,

110 USE OF COMMONS, Feb, 27.
The SrEAKER took the Chair at a few minutes to
Four o'clock.

NEW MEMBER.
Sri B. BRIDGES took th© oaths and his seat for Eas
Kent.

APPEARANCE OF THE HOUSE.
At four o'clock both sides of the House were nearly
filled with l4lerrib3rs. The Opposition benches wore
most crowded. They were occupied by the friends and
supporters of the late Government, while the Ministerial
side was taken possession of by the friends and fol-
lowers of the now Administration. Mr. liar er and
Lord Marcus Hill were the only Members of the de-
funct Ministry whom we observed on the leading OPP°-
sition bench.

Mr. llume came in some twenty minutes after four
o'clock, and he was on the point of taking his usual seat,
but seeing Mr. Cobden and some of his other friends on
the other side, ho hurriedly retreated, and room was
made for him on the corresponding bench on the Q -

position side of the House. Lord Palmerston took his

ortner seat on the Ministerial side below the gangway.

NEW WRITS.

Mr. F. MACKENZIE moved that Mr. Speaker do
issue his warrant to the Clerk of the Crown to make
out a n©w writ for the election of a knight of the shire
for the county of BuckiHgham, in the room of the Right
Hon. Benjamin Disraeli, who since his election had ac-
cepted the office of Chancellor and Under Treasurer of

her Majesty's Exchequer.—(Cheers.) --
The motion was agreed to withous comment.
On the motion of the same HoN. MEMBER, new writs
were also ordered for the election of a burgess for the
borough of Midhurst, in the room of the Right lion.
Spencer Horatio Walpole, who since his election had ac-
cepted the office of one of her Majesty's principal Secre-
taries of State.

For the election of a burgess for the borough of
Droitwich, in the room of the Right Hon. Sir John
Somerset Pakingtnc, who since his election had ac-
cepted the office of one of her Majesty's principal Se-
cretaries of State.—(A laugh from the Whig Opposition;
cheers from the Ministerial benches.)
For the election of a burgess for the borough of Stam-
ford, in the room of the Right Hon. John Cha,les
[lorries, who since his election hnd accepted the office
o f President of the Board of Control for the Affairs of

India.
For thn election of a knight of the shire for the
county of Oxford, in the room of the Right Hon. Joseph
Werner Henley, who since his election had accepted
the office of President of the Board of Trade and Plan-
tations.
For the election of a knight of the shire for the northern
division of the county of Essex, in the room of Mr. Wil-
liam Berestord, who since his election had accepted the
office of her Majesty's Secretary at War.
For the election of a burgess for the borough of
Abingdon, in the room of Sir Frederick Thesiger, who
since his election had accepted the office of her Majesty's
Attorney-General.
_ _ _

For the election of a burgess for the borough of Col-
chester, in the room of the Right Hon. Lord John Man-
ners, who since his election had accepted the office of
First Commissioner of Works and Public Buildings.
For the election of a burgess for the borough of For-
tarlington, in the room of Colonel Francis Plunkett
Dunne—(Laughter from the Opposition)—who since
his election had accepted the office of Clerk of the
Ordnance.—(" Oh, oh," and laughter from the Oppo-
sition.)
For the election of a knight of the shire for the county
of Kildare, in the room of the Right Hon. Lord Naas,
who since his election had accepted the office of her Ma-
jesty's Chief Secretary in Ireland.—(" Oh, oh," from
the Opposition; cheers from the Ministerial side of the
House.)
For the election of a Member for the University of
Dublin, in the room of Mr. Joseph Napier, who since
his election had accepted the office of her Majesty's At-
torney-General in Ireland.
For the election of a burgess for the borough of En-
niskillen, in tho room of Mr. James Whiteside, who
since his election had accepted the office of her Ma-
jesty's Solicitor-General in Ireland. _ _ _

For the election of a knight of the shire for the
county of Londonderry, in the room of Mr. Thomas
Batesen, who since his election had accepted the office
of Lord Commissioner of her Majesty's Treasury.
For the election of a burgess for the borough of Buck-
ingham, in the room of the Marquis of Chandos, who
since his election bad accepted the office of Lord Com-
missioner of her Majesty's Treasury.
For the election of a burgess for the city of Chiches-
ter, in the room of Lord Henry Charles George Gordon
Lennox, who since his election had,accepted the office of
Lord Commissioner of her Majesty's Treasury.
For the election of a knight of the shire for the sou-
thern division of the county of Lincoln, in the room of
Sir John Trollope, who since his election had accepted
the office of Chief Commissioner of the Poor-law Board.
For the election of a knight of the shire for the nor-
thern division of the county of Lincoln, in the room of
the Right Hon. Robert Adam Christopher, who since his
election had accepted the office of Steward of the Chil-
tern Hundreds.—(Laughter.)
For tho election of a knight of the shire for the county
of Dorset, in the room of the Right Hon. George Bankes,
who since his election had accepted the office of Judge
Advocate-General.
For the election of a knight of the shire for the east
riding of Yoik, in the room of the Hon. Arthur Dun-
combo, who since his election had accepted the office of
Lord of the Admiralty.
For the election of a knight of the shire for the
county of Tyrone, in the room of Lord Claud Hamilton,
Who since his election had accepted the office of Trea-
surer of her Majesty's Household.
For del election of a burgess for the borough of Wen-
lock, in the room of the Hon. George Cecil Forester,
who since his election bad accepted the office of Comp-
troller of her Majesty's Household.
Mr. IIAYTEIt, moved for a new writ for the county
of Cork,;in the room of Dr. Maurice Power, who had ac-
cepted the office of Governor of St. Lucia.—(Laughter.)

HARWICH ELECTION.
Mr. BIIAMSTON moved for a writ for Harwich,
which had become vacated in consequence of a decision
of a Committee of the House.
Sir DE LACY EVANS, who appeared on the Op-
position benches, Opposed the motion, because he be-
lieved the opinion of tho House was against any new
election taking place' for that borough since the corrupt
practices which prevailed there had come to light. There
were peculiarities connected with Harwich which made
it distinct from any other corrupt borough. While the
town was falling off in population and wealth, by an ex-
traordinary concurrence of circumstances the number of
voters was increasing; and the greatest misfortune was that
tho state of things which prevailed there was not tempo-
rary but permanent, and the only way of remedying the
evil was by actual disfranchisement.—(Hear.) He con-
cluded by moving that the writ be suspended for six
months.
Mr. B. OSBOItNE was in favour of the amendment.
It was perfectly notorious that the present Solicitor-
General intended to present himself for Harwich.—
(Laughter and hoar from the Opposition benches,) He
held in his hand an address from the electors, calling
upon that gentleman to come down to this estimable
place.—(Hear.) He confessed he felt considerable sur-
prise on hearing the Hon. Member for Essex (Mr.
Bramaton) move for a new writ for the borough,
because he was a member of the Committee which, in
1842, inquired into the return for Harwich, and reported
that Mr. Attwood and Mr. Beresford's election cost
6,300/,, that thirty-three electors received from 50/. to
100/. each, and that the greater part of the constituency
had been bribed.—(llear.) Ho lamented that Mr. Cop-
pock had not been called to the bar. Tho late Mr.
Attwood was a member of the Carlton Club, and had
figured more in corrupting boroughs than any other man
in this country. Then it was a mockery, a delusion, and
a snare to talk of calling forth Mr. Coppock, and he
hoped they should hear no more of such stuff. He would
cheerfully second the amendment, and he did so in the hope
that the borough of Harwich would be ultimately swept
from the list of boroughs that sent Members to the
House.

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Mr. FERGUS said, as a member of the Committee,
that the decision come to turned upon a technical point,
but nevertheless no member of that Committee could
now be otherwise than satisfied that the grossest and
most fraudulent practices were carried on at elec-
tions for the borough of Harwieb.—(Hear, hear.) A
Commission ought to be appointed to investigate the
whole subject, and he was convinced they would come to
the same decision that was arrived at in the case of St.
Albano.
Mr. C. BERKELEY was also a member of esker bad
Com-
mittee, and he could confirm all that the last sp
said.
Sir R. 11. INGLIS contended that it not
disfranchise the borough when such a course.tvisualsi
was
recommended by the Committee. This opposi
intended to harass the present Government.ion.
I Baronet
Mr. HUME was surprised to hear l‘h
II denied that the
was unjust to
defending bribery and corruption.
opposition to this writ was of
had long since been contemplated'
lions practised in the
that an end was put to the
_eoFsrtuep
Memberito
in
oriir4initlii tmheotiHononwseoulndobwe,
i a paarntaiiet,hwaraaschteigr,hfotiemiet
bando borough. uhgoh .
withdrawn for the present.
reaTllhye didre w ahso hope theM
of
fonocuxrfroarddt withthat thepit
wilaosnii
dfoerMlaytrh.ethAeUGinEsiiiivu°cerNsoißttYtYhe writ, since the Committee did not
recommend that course.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY, another member of the
Committee, said there was no evidence of systematic
corruption laid before the Committee. Its attention was
exclusively confined to a technical point Connected with
the proceedingsmr. A l sT Eyo f
Sthueppeolertced tion.
the amendment, though he
thought it an unconstitutional course to go on suspending
disfranchisedw rits.
had been made to deal
disposed of St. Albans.
Mr. K. SEYMERtahotil,ht. ought rather to be
withri( n
lel a wasrw ic
hgladas tthhaet
House
()purse: proposal
carried those who_ proposed
anotherbweigthgedtogit ongifhttbtoe
he
ep for a Commission; but if they did that,
f oalml 0 own dt
hmee. amendment 0
twi
oans
give notice that he should take the same
course with regard to Leicester which a Committee had
all but recommended should be disfranchised.
Sir GEORGE GREY suggested that the debate
should be adjourned for a few days.
Sir DE LACY EVANS said it was his intention to
move for a Commission if this amendment was carried.
Mr. BIiAMSTON was as willing as anybody that
where bribery and corruption was proved against a
borough it should be prosecuted as it deserved ; but no
corruption was proved in this last case from Harwich.
Ho did not intend to persevere with the original motion.
Mr. JOHN ELLIS denied that there was any
bribery or corruption practised at the last election for
Leicester.
The motion and the amendment were then withdrawn.
PRIVATE BILLS
• '
The following Bills were real a et eond time and
ordered to be committed.
British Electric Telegraph Company.
City of Loudon Gas Light and Coke Company and
Great Central Gas Consumers'ny
Claussen's Patent flax Compa.
Company
tion, and Amendment of AO. Amalgam.-
om
Deptford Gas,
Eastern Countiss and Newmarket and Chestetford Rail-
way Great WesternCpa Railway (No. 2)
Companies,
Humber Conservancy.
Kettering and Northampton Road.
4ingBt°KingstonUPQn Hull Docks.

Lancashire and Yorkshire and York and North Midland
Railways.
Leeds Waterworks (No. 2).
Londonderry Bridge.
Manchester, Buxton, Matlock, and Midlands Junction
Railway.
Newmarket Railway.
North British Fix Company (Claussea's Patent). ,
Eastern Counties Railway (Branch to the river Nene,nd
&e.,
t and
Eastern Counties Railway (Junction with the Eas
West India Docks, &c.)
Eastern Counties Railway (Power to use the East'
lien Railways, &c.)
Great Western, Shrewsbury and Birrninghere,
rno
' 011
Shrewsbury and Chester Railway Companies A
gamation.
Stockton and Hartlepool and Clarence Railway, and
Hartlepool West Harbour and Dock Conip.
Wirksworth Mining Customs and Mineral Courts.
York and North Midland Railway.
LEICESTER-SQUARE IMPROVEMENT BILL.,
13
Mr. WAKLEY moved that the second reading of 111
Bill he postpsned.
Mr. W. PATTEN opposed the metion, unless some
sufficient grounds were stated for the postponement. t
Mr. WAKLEY said the object ot the posVnertiel.l"
was to allow the promoter and the opponents of the lin!.
• to come to an amicable arrangement of the differeace°
between them.
After some discussion, in which Mr. Anstey, Sir B.
Hall, and Mr. C. Lushington took part,
arilieffeoterbelitil!
Mr. WYLD said that he was the promoter of the Bill'
and that its object was not the advancement of an P 0:
cuniary interest of his, but simply of scientific purposel
for the instruction of his fellow-subjects. fieed
The second reading of the Bill was ultimately
for Monday, March 15. til
The Lincolnshire Estuary Bill was postponed en•
Monday, March 15, on ther motion of Colonel 6ibthorp.
LONDON NECROPOLIS 13ILL.
On the motion that the London Necropolis Bill be read
a second time, v bad
Mr. 11. DRUMMOND said that the come_ bad
made a misstatement as regarded the law i tesheYriei-
only obtained the freehold, not the copyhold. the d" for
culed the idea of the soil being peculiarly adaoe, 0
funeral purposes, and for the growth of eegeAtsBllt7otalies
un detaileddu lati n ign thesur prospectusfane ot.
the of
country,the c o rni
tp alt:aY; ridicultbes
The fraud, was, they had bought 2,600 acres,
only designed to appropaiate 400 acres to the r01:81.
yard, intending to build on the remaining 9° bole
though they stated that the footsteps of commerce )
not come near the spot. no Weil
Sir J. DUKE considered the scheme 02,. 8 ge
had
drthy the favourable consideration of the eloa'tor of
no interest in it whatever, except as a °35`,4 the
humanity. He was satisfied that no portion e
ground would be devoted to buildingetilati°°' ed
Mr. H. DRUMMOND saidit
asPedistinctly state_
should to
in the 11th clause of the Bill that wbuisldiug
whereas
_irY
place on the ground. f the
Mr. J. BELL supported the second reading °
Bill.
hord EBRINGTON objected to Inakthg et Ibis
country a commercial speculation. Be was, 13°11,,,ci it
dissatisfied with several clauses in the Bill. T° r"ont
Goland by
a second time would be to commit the new
to a reversal of the principle deliberately lit"te et
Parliament. seiti OP"
Mr. MO WATT was of opinion that the Pee:. eta
not be disposed of in an off-hand planner. 1-'.l° sea
of their _
Government had confessed the
failure &set P
Fiiiltvihaeoten
principle
measure, and it was necessary, therefore, to se sole 0
other. Burial of the dead had been from alt
burials
eler,
matter.
whole body of thileew
without
mh speculation—eveninhabitantsoru. t tihoew
committing
aCot Church
)uwrwcohokui
lobhdgai
.1:
him
os
details. is of 111
Mr. MANGLES opposed the Bill on beheivehe-i, die
objectomtnatoktetu,ne.;h
butp lot,.
the
en
portions
moderate
were
enps oenrdot
not
to
nn
take of the
every
001:11,?..
tif ?els -8
On in the whole pariah, giving powers of stablt.ile_sseetiviieotaeitl,
great'
c,olroj (n) he i andcu hAe.
company. As they
tncreore, have 2,200 acres for sale. The 'lie coli'
i a,:
accordingly
onlyrridT.
().
Nl wanted ,
a 4nOtdOe d
it fboer acres,d
read t
theu e
.Yii,
5:::
do e
pd
time that day six mo„thing y move
aceP
Le
reading, defended the Bill. Twhellocon3mopvaeny wteattsbe
adjacentby the m
wereos liberalfavourable sentiments. gl. • ,
Members were not opposed to it; and be shenkl t
fore press it on the House. ch
~,f of se,
Mr. BETHELL should be sorry if a l''''f-i dife
public importance was baffled by the efforts °,` :t, cel
duals who failed to make a party against it witu,,°"cotild
the Bill;Sev e r atih 0e
f nstPe°trreP°llli3l,e,l3
the ground of the public good. The coenPnee'ea th°
enter into no contract with any other person teesspr
lord of the manor, subject to the rights of the 100
holders. The Bill only contained the ordin
,aid cothf,,
to sell that were always in every railway nl' n otitis
Bill of that nature. He considered the objecti°"" to
Bill unfounded on principle. hi 1
' 00
Sir DE LACY EVANS hoped the House eentli'L, the
prevent the Bill from going into Committee, scfnsele
necessity there existed for relieving, the metropolis
the interment of the dead within its' precincts' elO
Lord R. GROSVENOR would be sorry if any
that promist d a remedy for the existing evil was taro of
out; but it was Si) important to know the sentimen
.0
the Government on the subject, that he hoped titst_`,4
Hon. Gentleman who had charge of the measure n,
not, under existing circumstances, object to ite roc
ponement for a f h. ort ight. Ile m
of the debate. agree to a
Mr. HUME hopedthe House would not ,n,
d a great pr,
postponement, as the question involve
eiple. of the
Mr. SCOTT would support the adjournment
debate. oved the adjournoie
journed under the circumstances. 004
Mr. MO WATT could not consent to an adjou or
Sir W. JOLLIFFE thought the debate should be $(l..
as the principle was admitted by Parliament on a Nl-
ocessiou.
cemMert.elrty.
eleo:UpaMnye.lOND said it was
railway companies to take 2,000 acres more I a o'os ti
wanted. The company was a building comPanY'
for the
. g
Mr. E WART declared his intention of veto
second reading of the Bill. „a„...
The House then divided, when there apeoareee
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not custohmanrY,l3fel
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1 Air.
WORCESTER AND HEREFORD RAJ' • e
nd tam '
On
was
ajorreiLy
aagsaeeinnsntdthtienfenciment--
Mr. SPOONER said he should
the motion that this Bill be read a seco
_,, DOI
such a case as would convince the House th_ail.,:uay of
ought to be rejected. He admitted that a
and if the 10
be able to 133 eh'," pia
hwanted between Worcester and Hereford,har
, should _Bill
had been brought in in a proper ratielele-t this Was sagePl
supported it. It had been intiniated te narrow g
question, but he knew nothing
which had reference to the broad and
ao looked t/$s
looked at the Bill on its broad princiPlo• e ortion 0,1
the Bill as one that intended to shut uP e• Pthe pulke
water communication in the district whie" tepee',
had now the advantage of; and, ,tontherefore _ „pee
that such a proceeding was prejudicial he „pee ttis
interest, he must oppose the Bill. The object t'..,' tba
Bill was to turn the Severn water traffic fr°"_oble
canal into the proposed railway. The lionoTcoot
Member then proceeded to show that timber an 01, Pd'
came at present by the river Severn to the gretr, do
that Patter; be
vantage of the inhabitants of the district; but Poo
about
coal and timber were to be taken in a roundabout op
by railway a good deal of inconvenience and tiPtio,oo
mischief would ensue. Ho hoped the Pod
would throw out the Bill on the ground that ,°, for
or water company ought not to be permitted to so'ners
its own private interests, to a railway *YI) '
comps* of a
tlon of the canal, and thus to deprive the uhori° e d'
direct communication between place d olaP.e. .1-'%l: it
witted the railway was an imps) ane • and tn- qi
r.tant railway, twe
was an evil not to have the district which it was in
s'
as li
to serve supplied with •
railway communication ; our
the evil he had pointed out could be remedied bed oe
gestion his o •
begged toopposition would at one© be at an•Bseate'''
Mr. C. move that the Bill be read that day sis °I- le
LEWIS hoped the House would not liStooh _
the appeal of the Hon. Member. l.l v•Member r:
The 0 • that e°
admitted the Bill was an " .
and ,boys
important fill, • lbose
railway was to go through an important district. ,ed,
were
With
strong reasons why the Bill should be adorios,
Member, that
to the principle relied upon ,bY,htieleetieb
that the Bill would interfere witn 'el pit"
he
.begged to say that onlythe nprotitau 0 11
u he 13/
lion ot the canal would be affected by t „„,1 WWI
and that the trustees and proprietors of the Came id V
, anxious that the sale should take place. Is viel:'„ii'ieill,
an unusual course if the House threw out t". 00 ill
which was so strongly advocated and supported
general merits. it W the
General LYGON hoped the House would 5.-0 I
second reading.
alia`
Mr. H. HOPE objected to the Bill—for if the
much
communication with Gloucester was interruettd
evil would ensue to the Gloucester timber trede' inspel7s
Sir R. PRICE said the railway was to eor,e setl
there
purposes—to join Worcester to elereforo; -ors 10
were no other reasons he must give his suPP
the Bill. A Whet`
some further discussion the 1101180 diVide.q
there appeared— 156
For the second reading ••• ••• 56
Against it .., ... ... ... ... ••• 00
Majority for the second reeding ----- ZION
MANCHESTER AND SALFORD EDUCNee
BILL. esiclV
On the suggestion of Mr. M. GIBSON, the Ci°,h of
ration of this Bill was fixed for Wednesday', 1115 .1
March, iseseeoo'
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE---ee—
MENT OF MAYNOOTH. at it°
Mr. F. MACKENZIE moved that they ouse
rising do adjourn till Friday, the 12th of areb•eitalj
Mr. HUME believed that the adjournme o',o bed
to allow time for the re-election of Members wh'i hove
accepted office. He thought Monday week Wig' hete°
been fixed for the House meeting. At any rate,
_A to
be allotge,
agreeing to adjourn, Members ought to
present the petitiops in their possession. lion ter
Mr. SPOONER did not rise; to oppose the In° otiose
adjournment, but wished to make a few (short per
with reference to a matter which was sotnewnieese
sonal. It might be in the recollection of i11:4,cl off
that be had given notice ef a motion on the 50,?i0n o
Maynooth, and that he bee intimated his ier"t esti
post porting it till an early day atter Easter. !-eceei ro'
mation had been received with no very eclulide, I'll
merits by some Hon. Gentlemen on the other 1 aoe
seemed to suppose that he had altered his P's die
was about to give up the motion alteget;_otioble
Leen) wished, therefore to put those „rrhad eel
Members stout of misery on that point.• •!'"''' forwaril,
question 0
We'
altered his determination to bring the IVP
and be linow of Izto rett3Qllwby be alwuld Po