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London, England, 1852-05-12 00:00:00

sum. The entire public income of Ireland, including church
revenues and other sources, amounted to 5,000,0001. per
annum; and of this sum one million was given to the
Protestant clergy, and 38,000/. to the Presbyterians, and
only 25,000/. to the Roman Catholics; and yet they had the
barefaced !resumption. to come down to the liouse and tell
them :that this paltry grant was given from Protestant
funds.—(Laughter and cheers.) He said it was Ronan •
Catholic money; that it was a case of restitution ;. and that
if all parties had their just frights, the. Protestant Church
would not be endowed as it was that day. He warned the
Hon. Member for North. Warwickshire, who professed such
great and exceeding love for the Protestant Church of Ire-
land, that if there was one step more fraught with mischief
to that churchsthan'aiaether, it was the step he had taken
to-night, and in which be was supported by the Right Hon.
the . Home Secretary.-(Cheers:) ' The Hon, Member for
North Warwickshire talked -Of • the Various sums which had
been given to the Roman Catholic Church. He held in his
hand a list of the-sub-is which had beerigiven to that church
from the Union down to 1845. And now let. the House see
. the treatment which the Roman -Catholics had received
at the hands of this House, and .the rigorous
spirit: -With which' they had • treated 'lreland. Since
the Union 5,207,000/..- 'had been ',given ,to tho Esta,be
lished Church. Thu Presbyterian Diesenters bad received
1,0 90001.; and let the House heat, and blush nt the
beggarly votes•that had been given inthe Roman Catholics,
all they-had received was the sum of 3.75,13001. When the
Hon. Gentleman summed up ,his speech he told. the House
to beware bow they endowed, error.. When he (Mr. Osborne)
heard that, he could not help being reminded'at the words of
Mr. Grattan in 1797; who„warned the Protestant clergymen
to beware how they used such lariguege as the Ilon.Gentle-
man lad now used, 'Odd reminded them that it was not de-
cent for them to say; give us all the good things in the
name of God, and nothing to the others.—(Cheers.) What-
ever his views might-be with regard to the amendment of
the Hon. Member. for Youghal and ehe-Abetract justice of en-:
dowing any religiousdenomination, he certainly wouli never
be a party to begin with his Roman Catholic fellow-subjects.
If the House really intended to enterinto this subject,
them hive an immediate inquiry into the funds of the Esta-
blished Church, and the Regium DO;11.71 of the Presbyterians
as well as of the Roman. Catholic Church. But he would
be no party to this attempt to prop up the rotten
system of Protestant ascendancy by humiliating the'
Roman Catholics. He would not pander •to the
party cry of the Government with which' to go to the
hustings—a Governtnent acting upon the doctrine of com-
promise.and expediency, which had • been preached on a late
occasion at the Mansion-house, and was now to be practised
in St. .Stephen's. He restecishis opposition on-the high ground
of truth and justice. If any one took it on the low ground
of economy, he would remind them that, it: was hardly con-
sistent in them to complain of their want of national defences
—to propose to add to the expenses of the country by e&
rolling 80,000 militiamen, while at the same time they were
denuding themselves of their best national defences—the
confidence and the .good will of the people of Ireland. The
Right Hon. Secretary, of all men, had no business to assent
to this motion—he had forsaken-his position its a Minister of
.the British Crown,. to become the.,Minfster of a mere party
of fanatics._ (Cheers.), Be realised, the prophecy-of that
truly great man the late Mr. Shell, who said, in 1845. that
if this country should ever fall so low as that Sir Robert
Peel should be succeeded by a Minister who would pander
to the base passions of religious.bigotry in this country, a
party would arise in Ireland of which they had little concep-
tion—a• party who would call for the repeal of the Union,
not on futile grounds, but because that statesman had
abdicated the position of a Minister, and Lai split up the
empire by pandering to the fanatical passions of a portion of
the people.—(Loud cheers.)
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER—I beg the
indulgence of the House for a moment,. while I speak to a
point to which reference has been made by the Hon. Gentle-
man who has just sat deem. The Hen. Gentleman quoted
from a speech of mine which' he said was delivered in 1845,
and added that in consequence of what he found in that
speech he founded his opposition to this motion. There
could be no mistake as to the particular speech referred to,
because he very courteously gave the date of it, the 11th of
April, 1845, to my Right Hon, Friend ; nor could there be
any mistake as to the particular speech intended, be-
cause he said the speech impugned the intentions of the then
Ministry. Theklon. Gentleman then quoted what he called
a graphic description of the state of Ireland, and to which
the House listened with' attention. Now, there is nothing
of what the Hon. Gentleman quoted in that speech; both my
Right Hon. Friend 'and myself have gone over it, and there
is not a syllable of what the Hon. Gentleman quoted in the
speech he referred to us.—(Hear, hear.) -
Mr. BERNAL OSBORNE—I reiterate my statement
that it is to be found in page 361 of " Hansard." If
the Right Hon. Gentleman wishes to get off in his usual
quibbling way-(Laughter, and loud cries of " Oh, oh")-
1 beg pardon—in his usual ingenious way--(Cheers, and
cries of " Oh")—I may state that the last extract I quoted
is to he found in a speech delivered by. him on February 16,
1844, and snrely the Hon. Gentleman will net now eat his
Own words.--(0h, Oh.) ' •
The CHANCELLOR 'of the EXCHEQUEB.—The lion.
Gentleman Professed to quote from a speech, delivered on the
11th April, 1845.' on the subject of Mayriooth.--:(Loud
cheers.) I said there was no passage of the kind to be
-found in the speech of April 11th ; and now the Honourable
Gentleman says the quotation is to be found in a speech, de-
livered on the 16th of February, 1844. But -what has that
speech to do with the argument I. used on the subject of
alBB4tsal aeemedntwohnenwhthiceh. HonourabledGheisntloepmpaon. seallegedoppo-
sition. °lt hused in
-(Cheers.)
Mr. A. HOPE, who was almost hiaudible, was understood
to protest against" a motion • founded' on quotations. from
studies connected with a system of faith which had existed
for centuries before that illustrious statesman Sir R. Peel
proposed the endowment of Maynooth. The Hon. Meniber
had occupied two mortal hours in re-echoing the old charges
against the Catholics, and cui bono? The only result of such
conduct must be to drive to desperation 6,000,000 or
7,000,000 of our fellow-subjects, already smarting under the
insulting legislation of last session. Only six days ago the
House heard with pleasure the Secretary for the Colonies
lay down the sensible and statesmanlike dictum, that no
difference should exist between the European and native in-
habitants of New Zealand as regarded the enjoyment of civil
rights, and now it was proposed to treat the Roman Catholics
of Ireland with less liberality than was displayed towards
the New Zealanders. A 3 for as he could tell, the College of
Maynooth had answered its purpose; but, nevertheless, it
was to be offered up as a sacrifice to the spirit of the Dur-
ham letter—to the designing speculation to which the late
Prime Minister —in the most petty days of a Ministry un-
paralled in pettiness—had recourse with the view of prop-
ping his failing power.— (Hear.)
Mr. NEWDEGATE said the Hon. Gentleman who last
addressed the House had not once touched the question be-
fore it. The Hon. Member for Middlesex had made an
amusing speech, but he showed himself throughout to be
ignorant of the whole miestion at issue. Amongst the quo-
tations which the Hon. Gentlemen made, Was one which
treated unfairly the Right [Lou. the-Chancellor of the Ex-
:chequer. It was shown that the extraet read did not apply
to the Right Hon. Gentleman.--( Hear, from an Hon. Mem-
ber) Perhaps the Hon. Member would. improve the
extract.—(Mr. Monsen, we believe," it does not require it.")
The Motion made by his 'Hon. Colleague was designated a
cowardly motion. He had long been proud of his colleague,
but he was never so proud of him as he was on that occa-
sion; for, although struck down that day, and driven over,
he yet, rather than forego the opportunity of bringing for
ward the motion before the House, came down to the House
-
to Maynooth, with that ability for which he was so re-
) hazards, and brought forward the question relative
markable.—(Cries of " Hear, hear.") And this was the
man that was taunted with cowardice.— (Hear, hear.)
The motion was met by an amendment by the Honourable
Member' for Youghal, whose object was to. get rid of the
motion by a side-wind.—(Heat, hear.) It was said, that
Sit. Robert Peel opposed a motion for inquiry into Maynooth
College. in 1845. But were there no reasons Since 1845
that would warrant an inquiry into the system of educatiOn
at Maynooth, even if there was no ground for doing so in
that year? •- He-asked the Honourable Member for Athlone
if he could deny this fact? The late Mr. Sheil, in speaking
of the College of Maynooth hi that House, in reference
to Den's Theology,
said he was no more to •be bound to
defeud every.text in a college book than he was to defend
every text in Coke or Blackstone.—(Hear, hear. But
the Right Honourable Gentleman added that.if there was
any doubt as regarded the teaching in Maynooth, whY,
let' an inquiry be instituted into the matter, and very
Catholic Member. would Support. a.nfotien to that effect.
Well, that was all the Motion'. before the House pro 7
posed. But Mr. Shell' was dead; and so was Dr. Murray.
But they had still Dr. Mfliale and the 'Defence Assd-
elation, and they had, too; ,Mr. Cahill, who called on the
Catholics of Ireland to bide their time in the 'event of
. foreign invasion.--(llear, hear.) The Motion of his Hon.
Friend left the House no option. After the facts stated by
his Hon. Friend supported, as his motion was, by the feel-
ing of the country—it would be impossible to negative the
proposition before the' Muse. The :Honourable, Gentleman
then proceeded to contend that the system pursued at May--
meth made the priests tyrants' over- the people, who '7irere
now flying to America away from the influence of the priests;
and 'it was • a faCt, Abet the Catholics, when. they went to
America, left. the Church in which they were brought up, and
-passed over to Protestantism—()h.) These facts could not
-be dank& The priests
,of Ireland, were now *letting their
‘faces against emigration. To show the desire,of the priests
for domination, he.need,OnlY referie the scene which took
place at'ardbiner gii;en to the iron. Iletuber.for Athlone.
wair`eirtinged that'it"gentlemiits, named'Roach,:phould.return
thanks for the press, but the -priests insisted on Mr.. Lucas
being heard. in replftollie toast.' 'Now, Mr. Lucas was the
editor of the TaM t, Whieh,l be. hesitated not to say, was
filled with most disgracefaslibels. He hoped the House
would support the motion. •
Mr, MONSELL would pushy; the speech of the Hon. Genl.
demon with but a single remark respecting his-allusion to
the Rev. Mr. Meehan,- He (Mr. Monsen) would pledge him-
-self that the words quoted by the Hon. Gentleman were never
used by the Rev. Mr.'Meehan. '
- Mr: NE WDEGATE„, amid loud tries. of " Order," said
he would establish 'the accuracy of the 'statement he
made. • • '
Mr. MONSELL was certain the words were never nsed.,
.He.wag aurptised that the Right'llon.'Gentleinan the Seem,:
Lary for the Home Department should, considering his high;
position, have ratified by his statement the abusive harangue
- made against one-third of her Majesty's subjects by the,Honel
,Member.for North ,Warwickshire,— (Hear, hear,
.from this
Opposition benches,) - It was quite manifest that the• object!
of . the motion was not to inquire into Maynooth, but to;
dimbliah the number Of Roman' Catholic 'clergymen, But;
what Wes 'the conduct of 'every other country where' there.
was a minority professing a treed different frona the rest of
• the people? Why, in every' instance that' minority was,
treated with 'consideration. They had schools granted for
their children,' and their clergymen were' supported at the
,expense of• the state.. Why did not 'England,'which .made'
•purpor sioeSso,,,stliwoVmdi'stihreabEiengglriaStihc
ol)
Bitch -Loud professions of dvil- and religious liberty, do the'
not think the 'present Tories
tthhoes e
sameavho
same? Why, after taking away from the Roman Catholics
of-Ireland the funds.. given by- their ancestors for religious'
in that House that awe .
`were
feo2pf6loeiltiloonowoiwi. .attempt :bee miter
examplept to ;take
adkii
bore that ursine. ' had been once stated
ago. But
pfleiklaecsawnpich the Whigs did' a '' hundred Years
the 'reties of 'the present' day professed ,
bete the head had been some generations
ago, but the • head • and
distance." Neither Pitt,RoPmeerineval, nor-
Ali tail ,were still at an equal
ciety:was so eonstanti aY'' in reply, remarked that " so-
tail
sanction
religion nobody:
was now y- advancing in knowledge that the
Lord Cleve, whose
_ tionioneithe withdrawal of the
vehemence ,against the
could deny, would, if livin
motion for inquiry,
) end he spoke for
grant to Maynooth: He ('fr.
connected
himself alone—would not oppose the
the more,
bweicthaulsieeh;Cedbelieved i
itnhraetatighaet:dmaoered'everythinginquired
and
of the
it would be seen that the inatitulioh was horefie
conducted, and in accordance with the intestitros
founders. received a letter from the Catholic Archie
bishop of Armagh, expressive of his opinion that theemolt9lll
should not be opposed, because everything connected with..i°
the College of Maynooth was as public as possible, and
'nothing done that could fear investigation. The only con-
dition he would make on the subject was, that the Committee
should-be a fair one, and he trusted that a majority of the
'House would take Care that those persons who prejudged' the'
qualt,i94 41101C1In 9Xcludcd frcwa the Calmittoo.