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rHE SUN, LONDON, FRIDAY _EVENING, NOVEMBER 18, 1864.

intelligent and liberal Minds. It would not do to Maintain
their institutions by narrow-mindedness and bigotry ; but
if they could get young, able, and active representatives who
would forward the present and appreciate that which was
good in the time past, who were anxious to improve and
were not too anxious to destroy, they would be rendering a
great service to their country, and he looked with confidence
to the issue of the next election, as the verdict which the
country would pronounce between the Conservative and the
Liberal. (Cheers.)

The Atrocious Murder on Plaistow-marshes.

ADJOURNED INQUEST.

Yesterday afternoon at 5 o'clock Mr C. C. Lewis, coroner
for Essex, resumed the inquiry at the Bell and Anchor
Tavern, near the Tidal Basin, Victoria Docks, into the cir-
cumstances attending the death of a German named Theo-
dore Christian Fuhrhop, who was found decapitated in the
Plaistow-marshes on the Bth inst.

The proceedings excited the utmost interest, and the
court was densely crowded.
The jury having answered to their names, the following
witnesses were examined :

Mrs Mary Ann Wade, residing at 4, Hoy-street, said
she and her husband, who is a blacksmith, has lodged about
five weeks in the house of Kohl, who is now in custody.
The murdered man also lodged in the same house. On
Thursday, the 3d inst., she saw Kohl and the deceased
man, who was known as John, go out together as near
possible at half - past 9 o'clock in the morning,
and Kohl returned by himself about four hours after-
wards, when witness observed that his clothing was very
dirty. He had mud on his back, and also upon his elbows.
As Kohl went through the passage witness observed to him
" Good gracious, Charley, where have you been to get that
mud ;" and he replied that he had been riding in a butcher's
cart, and he there got it. He then asked where his wife was,
and witness told him she had gone to the mangle. Kohl
then took a brush from the coal-cupboard and went into the
yard and brushed himself. He then went out again, and
said he was going to look after John. Ho returned about
half-past 3 o'clock, and witness asked him if ne had found
John. Kohl replied that he left him outside a sugar bakery,
which he entered, and when he came out again found that
he was gone. He also said that if Jnhn is
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two hours he should break his boxes open. His wife, who
was then present, said if they waited two hours they would
not be able to take the steamer for Germany, where they
intended going, and that it would then be too late to do so
on that day. Kohl, after waiting some time, said he should
go upstairs and break open John's boxes. He then took a
small poker, and told his cousin to go up with him and see
him break open the boxes. They both went upstairs, and
on their return Kohl said, " John won't come back again,
for all his clothes are gone." She asked if he was going to
Germany, and Kohl replid no, as he had no money. He
then went out again, and returned shortly after 5, when he
looked very ill. Witness had a hatchet which she frequently
lent to Kohl. She lent it to Kohl two or three days before
John was missing, and Kohl returned it on Friday, the 4th
inst., the day after John was missing. On that day she
went to Kohl for the hatchet, and he gave it to her. It was
not then in the same state as when she lent it to Kohl. Ii
had been painted, and Kohl said that the handle was loose,
and perhaps the paint would keep it more tight.
Thomas William Hudson, of 2, Richard-terrace, Library-
road, Plaistow Park, said he was a labourer, and on the
morning of the 3d inst. he was walking along the river
bank towards Woolwich, and when about 150 yards from a
red bed he saw the prisoner Kohl and the man known as
John coming along together. They passed witness, who ob-
served that they went into the marshes amongst the reeds.
John Atkins, an engineer, residing at 33, Story-street,
North Woolwich, said on the previous Wednesday week he
went to see the place where the body of the murdered man
was found. He went by himself, and saw the place where
the body was found, and then proceeded to the spot where
the head was found buriel. He was returning, and when
about half-way between the two spots, he saw lying on the
soil the knife produced, which was shut. [The knife was a
small pocket-knife, with white handle,] He took it home
and showed it to his wife, who, on inspecting it, remarked,
" Look at the hairs sticking out at the back." Witness then
observed two hairs in the back of the knife, which he re-
moved, and he then delivered the knife to Police-constable
Jackson, at North Woolwich.

Police-constable Jackson, 260 K, proved receiving the
knife produced from the previous witness, who told him
that he had found it near the spot where the murder was
committed.

Police- constable Henry Smith, 310 K, said on the night
of Wednesday week ho received the knife produced from the
last witness, and delivered it to 94 Kt with directions to
give it up at the Plaistow police-station.
Police-constable Martin, 94 K,proved receiving the knife
from Police-constable Smith. He returned home late that
night, and therefore kept it until the morning, when he
took it to the police-station, and gave it to Sergeant Bridg.
land.

Mrs Eliza Whitmore, wife of Henry Whitmore, an engine
driver, stated that she resided in the house of Kohl, at 4,
Hoy-street, and had lodged there about five weeks. She last
saw the murdered man on the previous Thursday week,
the 3d instant. She saw him and Kohl leave the house to-
gether at half-past 9 o'clock, and Kohl returned by him-
self at half-past 1 o'clock, and he then went iu'm the back
yard and brushed the mud off his clothes. Witness saw
Kohl again about three o'clock, end she then asked him if
he had found the young man. Kohl replied no, and wit-
ness then said she thought John had missed him on pur-
pose, and because ho (John) had no money. Kohl said that
John had money, as he showed him .61 10s. on that morn•
ing. Witness asked Kohl if he meant to go to Germany
now Jelin was lost, and he replied yes, end he then said
that he would go up stairs and see if 'John's boxes were
open ; and he also said that if they were not open he would
open them. He then went upstairs, and on his return said,
" John will not come back, for he has nothing left in his
boxes." Kohl then went out again and returned shortly
after five o'clock. He then looked very ill, so much so that
witness asked him if he had had anything to eat on that day,
when he replied that he had some dinner in London. Wit-
ness knew the knife produced, and she last saw it on Sunday
week—that is on the Sunday after John was missing, She
then saw Kohl in the kitchen with the knife. He was peel-
ing an apple with it. She had seen the knife before that,
as Kohl used it when he put up a roller for a blind in her
apartments. Kohl had stated that he lost the knife, and
asked witness if she had seen it, which she had not for some
days ; and after John was gone Kohl said to her, " You
remember I asked you if you had seen a knife in your room?
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that occasion.

Mrs Wade was then recalled, and answered various
questions corroborative of the evidence she gave on Satur-
day last before the magistrates at Ilford.
Joseph Skeldon said he was cousin to the wife of the pri-
soner Kohl, and on Thureday, the 3,1 inst., he went to
Kohl's house between 3 and 5 o'clock. Kohl told witness
that he had been out with John, and had lost him in Lon-
don. He then asked witness to go upstairs with him, and
see him open John's boxes. There were two boxes—those
produced—and Loth were locked, and Kohl forced them
open. There were a few things in each of the boxes, such
as a pair of trousers, a shirt, and two or three collars. Kohl
said to witness, " John is gone to London, and will never
come back again." There was a little white handled knife
in one of the boxes. It was like that produced, but ho could
not swear to it.

Police-sergeant Clarke, of the detective force, said on the
morning of the 9th inst. he searched the house, No. 4, boy-
street, and received the chopper produced from the witness
Wade. In a box upstairs,
in the prisoner's bedroom, witness
found four duplicates. The first referred to a petticoat and
shirt, pledged on October 17 for 3s, in the name of Wil-
liams, at Darlow's. The second, a ring, pledged for 5a on
Oct. 12, in the
name of John Barrass. The third, two
shirts, pledged on Oct. 19, for 2s, in the name of Cole;
and the fourth, a shawl, pledged on Oct. 11 for 6s, in
the name of John Cole. He found a pistol in a drawer
downstairs, and on searching the prisoner's pocket-book
found five duplicates relating to a waistcoat and hand-
kerchief pawned for ss, a coat and trousers for 12s, a coat
for 7s, a coat for 4s, and a coat for 2s. These were all pledged
in the name of John Cole, with the exception of the coat for
12s, which
was pledged in the name of Scutch. .
In reply to questions from the Coroner, the witness stated
that evidence would be forthcoming that the articles pawned
belonged to the murdered man,
Dr Letheby now stated that he had not yet made an
analysis of the spots found on the hatchet and articles of
clothing, and it would bo some days before he should be
enabled to give the result.
The coroner said it was evident they would be unable to
arrive at a conclusion on that occasion, and as the case was
ono of great importance, it ought not to be hurried. The
man in custody was a foreigner, and the charge against him
was of a most serious nature. It was a question with him
whether they ought to proceed further with the very impor-
tant evidence which was yet to be adduced unless the
pri-
soner was present at the court. He would make application
to the proper authorities in order that this might be earl ied
out, and to prevent inconvenience as to the removal of the
prisoner he thought it would be the best course to adopt to
hold the next inquiry at Ilford Gaol.
After some conversation on this subject the inquiry was
adjourned until Wednesday next at eleven o'clock, when it
will be resumed at Ilford Prison.

[ADTERTISEMZNT.]—TWofoId Extraordinary Cure
Effected by Holloway's Pills and Ointment.—Mr J. Webb,
boot and shoemaker, Chapel-street, Cahircideen,
writes under date January 10, 1803, that he had been
afflicted for 17 years with a most dreadful asthmatic cough
and shortness of breath, and latterly was also subject to
benumbed sensations in his limb 4, attended with heavy
drowsy feelings,
which threatened an apoplectic fit. In
alarm he consulted the most skilful of the profession within
many miles of his residence without avail, and fruitlessly
used every means recommended by friends, till he heard
of the repute of Holloway's remedies, and resolved, with
death staring him in the face, to give them a trial. They
immediately relieved him and ultimately cured him.

SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS.

TIMES.—Our last intelligence from the Austra-
lian colonies encourages us to hope that no rash
steps are yet being taken there in reference to the
convict question. It is one of the difficulties of coloe
nial government, as Burke observed long ago, that
" months pass and seas roll" between the writing
of a despatch and the receipt of it, so that while a
colony is still angrily protesting against a supposed
grievance, the announcement of its intended redress
may be already on its way. We cannot but think
that a little more attention to this inevitable condi-
tion of correspondence with the Colonial-office
would have moderated the tone of the Australian
remonstrances on this subject. We never doubted,
however, that the strong aversion from any contact
with the convict element manifested throughout the
free colonies of Australia deserved and would re-
ceive the gravest consideration from the Secretary
of State for the Colonies. To entertain such a ques-
tion from the colonial point of view is in effect to
decide it in favour of the petitioners, for, whatever
rights may belong to the mother country, no English
statesman would think of enforcing them, for the
sake of an-object so trifling, against the public
opinion of large communities so nearly concerned.
We have now the pleasure of stating, what is no
longer a secret, that no such policy is contemplated
by her Majesty's Government, and that, subject to
the approval of Parliament, transportation to the
Australian Continent will cease within a limited
period. No one who has followed the published
communications between the Colonial Department
and Australia since the report of the Commission
on transportation and penal servitude will be un•
prepared for this resolution. In January of the
present year the Duke of Newcastle, in pursuance of
a pledge already given, intimated to the Governors
of the Australian colonies the determination of the
Government not to carry out the main suggestion of
that report—that an increased number of convicts,
estimated at about 1,500 annually, should, during
the latter part of their term of punishment, be sent
to Western Australia. After vindicating the motives
of the Commissioners, and adverting to the reasons
which had convinced them that such a measure
would inflict no injury on the other colonies, be
amply recognized the importance of the addresses
received from the latter, "as representing not only
the numbers, but also the property, the intelligence,
and the character of those communities, and as ex-
pressing not mere popular prejudice, but deep feel.
ings and moral corgictione." He repudiated indeed
the Australian Monroe Doctrine, " that the settlers
in certain portions of a vast territory belonging to ,
the Crown have any general right to dictate what
shall or shall not be done throughout the whole of
it." But he promised that the number of convicts
thereafter to be transported should not exceed
the former average, which was little more than
500 annually; and he consented to abandon
the system of conditional pardons. Moreover, he
distinctly pointed out that these concessions had
been made in deference to the wishes and interests
of the Eastern Colonies, thereby admitting the
superior weight of that consideration to ail others.
From these propositions the final discontinuance of
transportation to Australia is little more than a
logical conclusion. The limitation of number and
the abolition of conditional pardons failed to quiet
the apprehensions of the free colonies. They con-
tinued to reiterate all their old objections to any
transportation of convicts to the shores of Australia,
and they succeeded in ehow:ng that no precautions
had sufficed to prevent their immigration into their
own territories. Whether those complaints were
more or less exaggerated, and whether they were
expressed in terms more or less becoming, is a
secondary question. What Mr Cardwell had to
consider, onleucceeding to office, was simply whe-
ther imperial interests or those of Western Australia
were so involved in the maintenance of transporta-
tion that they ought to outweigh the discontent of
all classes of eeciety in the rest of the continent. To
admit the first of these suppositions would almost
be equivalent to justifying the storm of thoughtless
indignation against English selfishness which has
been raised in Australia. If we transported gar.
rotters out of mere solicitude for the security of our
own throats, we should merit the more reasonable
of the loose imputations cast upon us. Every one
in this country knows that the revival of transpor-
tation was advocated on very different grounds
from this, and that it is only by a figure of speech
that it can be attributed to a panic in the winter of
1862. Ono of these grounds, and by no means the
least material, was the earnest desire of Western
Australia to avail itself of convict labour. Remem-
bering that only 26 years ago the very same
feeling was loudly expressed in New South Wales
and other penal settlements, we cannot consent to
treat it with contempt when expressed by Western
Australia. At the same time no Government could
shut its eyes to the enormous disparity, numerical
and otherwise, between the promoters and the op-
ponents of Australian transportation. On the one
side we have a population of some 16,000, a revenue
of some £60,000, and a trade amounting in the ag-
gregate value of imports and• exports to some
£300,000. On the other, we have a population of
some 1,300,000, including New ipaaland, a joint
revenue of some £6,300,000, and a trade of some
£57,000,000. If Providence itself favours the
stronger battalions, Government must lean to the
more important interests. 'While the expediency
of gradually abolishing transportation to Australia
was under anxious discussion in the Colonial and
Home Departments a most interesting event was
reported to the Secretary for the Colonies by the
Governor of Western Australia. It was no less
than the discovery of a fertile tract, containing be-
tween five and six millions of acres, in the North..
western part of that colony. Mr Punter, the leader
of the exploring expedition which opened out these
new plains, called the " District of the Geenelg,"
describes them as clothed with the finest pasturage,
capable of carrying upwards of 3,000,000 sheep,
besides forests of timber trees, and land available
for agricultural purposes. This discovery could not
fail to mark an epoch in the history of Western
Australia. When a new country is thrown open
for settlement in Australia the admission or non-
admission of convict labour becomes a matter of the
first moment. It is analogous to the alternative
between free and slave labour in the American ter-
ritories. If the latter be tolerated the former will
be repelled. It would have been possible,
no doubt, to place the new settlement un-
der different regulations from the old, but
had this arrangement been made the feud now
existing between Western Australia and the Eastern
Colonies must have arisen in an aggravated form
between the North and South of Western Australia
itself. There was a judicious way, and one only, of
meeting the difficulty, and that was to cut the knot
of it and solve the convict question by the same
stroke. This is now to be done, and although it
must be some years before such a change can be
fully carried out, and tome months before it can
even be sanctioned by the Legislature, we may
practically deal with it as a fait accompli. It re-
mains to find a substitute for transportation to
Australia, and it would be much to be regretted if
this inquiry should be hastily foreclosed. The
abandonment of Western Australia as a penal
settlement does not dispose of the theory of penal
settlements, or answer any one of the many argu-
ments that have been advanced in their favour.
The comparative advantages of an additional con-
vict prison on a very large scale and of a new con-
vict establishment on some uninviting coast have
still to be balanced, If economy were the only thing
to be considered, and if turning thieves loose in a
densely peopled country were not a wasteful prac-
tice, we should keep our convicts at home, for the
prodigious expense of sending them across the ocean
is in itself one reason for giving up transportation
to Western Australia. Other elements, however,
must enter into the calculation, and among them
must bo numbered the far more profitable invest-
ment which a newly-occupied country offers for
their labour. It was to this that New South 'Wales
owed its early prosperity, and there is significance
in the remarks of our Sydney correspondent on the
delicate reticence of society in that colony with
respect to convict ancestry. The sooner it becomes
a forbidden subject in the polite circles of Western
Australia the better for them, too, whatever incon-
venience may be felt ; and it is gratfying to know
that even this will be sensibly diminished by the
results of the recent discoveries.

POST,—The address with which the Viceroy of
Poland has opened the session of the State of Council
of that country recalls to our minds the sad trials
through which the most unfortunate of European
nations has recently passed. If the llibcrnicism
might be permitted, we might say that Poland had
again received a deathblow, and again we might
reiterate the cry of "Finis Po!onir." There is
nothing so successful as success, and Gen. Berg may
be excused for giving free vent to all the ecstasy of
self congratulation. Whether it be true to assert that
" the present Government of the kingdom is called
to the task of rebuilding the shattered edifice in
order to repair the damages Poland has inflicted
upon herself," it might be hypercritical to inquire ;
and whether the statement that the Russian Govern-
ment " belongs to the number of those in Europe
which are least in financial difficulties" is entirely
accurate, is a matter which concerns the Government
alone. The address of Gen. Berg, however, reminds
us that the time is not so very far distant when
Poland actually stood in arms against her oppressor,
and when the National Government of the one and
the imperial Government of the other issued mani-
festoes of a very different kind. The one was a pro-
clamation addressed to the Polish nation by the
National Government, the other a rescript of the
Czar, initiating a variety of educational reforms in

Poland. In both documents an appeal was made to
the sympathies of the people, in both a happy and
prosperous future was anticipated with confience,
and in both the true secret of national contentment
was stated to repose in the hands of those immedi-
ately interested in accomplishing such a result. But
nevertheless the language, the counsel, and the ap-
peals contained in the manifestoes of the established
and of the revolutionary Governments were entirely
different. "Pursue with unabated vigour the efforts
which for the past 18 months you have been making
to recover your national independence, and success
will reward your labours ;"—such was the language
of the ceeret Government which, notwithstanding
the apparent eztinction of the insurrection, still
affected to direct the movements of the Polish
nation. "Dismiss intrigue, rest ;satisfied with the
form of government to which you are unavoidably
subjected, and permit your children, both sons and
daughters, to receive their education at the hands of
the State"—this was the language of the Imperial
Government. Though it would be scarcely probable
that either the Russian authorities on the one hand,
or the leaders of the Polish insurrection on the
other, could devise a means by which the ills of Pos
land could be effectively remedied, still the publicae
tion of manifestoes so totally different in their nature
naturally Induced doubts as to the fitting policy for
the Polish nation to pursue at a time w hen, to all
appearances, it lay utterly helpless at the feet of
its mighty oppresser. Whether the Polish National
Government at present exists we cannot of course
pretend to say, nor are we in a position to deter-
mine with what justice, a short time since, they
might claim to be the exponents of the general
opinions of their countrymen. It has been the mis-
fortune of the Poles that, although unanimous in
their hatred of Russians, they have not been of one
accord among themselves, and the successive leaders
of different national movements have not unfre-
quently regarded each other with feelings scarcely
different from those which they entertained for their
common foes. The principal object of the manifesto
recently issued was to show not only that the policy
pursued by the insurgent chiefs was radically wrong,
but that, late though it is, the Polish nation might
still, by adopting a different course, vindicate its
national independence. In its inception the insure
rectioa, we are assured, was set on foot, totally in.
dependent of all hopes of foreign intervention, and
the error subsequently committed consisted in its
being changed into an armed demonstration, with
the sole object of obtaining foreign intervention.
Any one, however, who considers the relative po-
sitions in which Russia and Poland stood must
feel convinced that, except by foreign aid, Poland
never could achieve her independence. The Poles
are brave, and in respect to numbers they are far
from contemptible; but the complete isolation
of their country would alone preclude the
possibility of success. In the recent insurrection
they had not only the Russian Government to con-
tend with, but also those of Prussia and Austria.
They had not merely a foe to crush in the heart of
their country, but enemies to thwart who literally
encompassed them on every side. But despite the
hopelessness of their cause, the extraordinary value
of the prize for which they fought still cheered them
on. They might be subdued, but they never could
acknowledge that they felt despair, and accordingly
the National Government, when the insurrection
was virtually at an end, once more called the Polish
people to arms, and, so far as promises could go,
ensured to them success as their ultimate reward.
It was difficult, however, to view this manifesto
in a serious light. If Poland hopes to secure her
independence without material assistance from
abroad, she will be disappointed, and the experience
of the past eighteen months ought to render it un-
necessary to tell her so. The Polish leaders might
be right in saying that if the Russian Government
continues to depopulate whole districts and trans.
port their inhabitants to the wilds of Siberia, and
if every individual whom the authorities choose to
consider as obnoxious can at will be driven into per-
petual exile, such a condition of things, so far as
regards its evil consequences, is not a whit better
than a state of war. But this would not prove that
it would even aggravate the horrors to which the
Polish nation was lately exposed. The Poles have
made a gallant struggle to shake off the Muscovite
yoke, and they have failed. It is unfortunate that
the result was not otherwise, but under the cir-
cumstances they have no other choice but to accept
their hard lot with what resignation they may.
Turning from the proclamation of the National
Government to the rescript lately issued by the
Czar, it would certainly seem as if the Russian
Government were desirous of adopting measures
well calculated to improve the social condition of
the Polish people. A most comprehensive scheme
of national education was devised, and schools
for both sexes were forthwith to be established
throughout the kingdom. It was proposed that these
schools'sbould be of different classes, namely, supe-
rior, middle class, and elementary, and that the
language in which instruction was to be conveyed
should be that of the children frequenting them.
Poles, Russians, and Germans would be taught in
their respective languages, and the sole object of
the Government seemed to be to give to the rising
generation, no matter what its nationality, a sound
education. It is idle, however, to hope that the Poles
will not detect in these apparently beneficial teas
su res some covert attack upon their independence.
They
will doubtless argue that as Russia has hither-
to endeavoured to trample out every spark of intel-
ligence in Poland, and as a high order of education
does not predispose a people to accept despotic
institutions, the object of the Government must be
to train the rising youth in such a manner as to
obliterate tbose aspirations for liberty which have
hitherto led to ceaseless conflicts between Poland
and Russia. There can be no doubt that the Czar
hopes to see a more submissive generation succeed
that with which he has now waged so bloody a
conflict, but it is not clear that he intends to accom-
plish that end by unworthy means. The Czar is
probably sincerely desirous of seeing an amicable
union established between Russia and Poland, and
would willingly make any concession to the former
calculated to attain that end, without, at the same
time, enabling her to vindicate her independence.
It is," as Lord Palmerston on one occasion ob-
served, " a great misfortune to succeed to the
inheritance of a triumphant wrong," and some
allowance ought to be made for the difficulties of
the situation in which the present Emperor of
Russia finds himself placed.

Extraordinary Confession of the Murder of

a Police-Constable.

Edward Fisher, of 4, St;mford-place, East-land, Old
Kent-road, wire weaver, was placed at the dock, at the
Greenwich Police-court, yesterday, before Mr Maude,
charged, en his own confession, with having thrown Police-
constable John Butler, 135 M division, into the Surrey
Canal, at Rotherhithe, whereby he was drowned on the 31st
August, 1862.

Mr Inspector Moore attended to watch the caso on the
part of the Commissioners of Police. The coroner's jury,
at the time of inquiring into the circumstances attending
the death of the deceased had returned an open 'verdict of
"Found drowned."

David Robinson, sworn, said—l am in the employ of a
cab proprietor, and reside at 18, Thornton-square, Camber-
well. On Thursday evening last, I was at the Hope-Pole
beer-shop, Old Kent-road. The prisoner was there, and
asked me and my mate to have something to drink. We
sat before the fire talking, and seeing the prisoner had a cut
over one of his eyes I asked him what was the matter. The
prisoner said he was coming along the Kent-road and
knocked up against some cups and saucers belonging to a
coffee-shop keeper; that a constable took him back to the
shopkeeper, who told the constable not to lock him up, as
he could pay for it. The prisoner then asked me if I re-
collnted a policeman being drowned about three or four
years ago, and he then said, " I was going over Mill Pond
Bridgo wilh two or three others, when the policeman
wanted to lock us up, and I and the others pushed the con-
stable over the bridge." I asked the prisoner if he never
thought anything of it, and he replied, "Yes, I do. At that
time I was a very stout young man, but I have been wast-
ing away ever since."
Mr Boustead (chief clerk)—Was the prisoner sober ?
Witness—He had been drinking, but he was not drunk.

Mr Maude—What did you do When you heard this from
the prisoner ? Did you go to the police-station ? .
Witness—l did not. I spoke of it to a cabman, who I
believe went to the police station.
William Skipper said he was at the Hop Pole beer shop
with the last witness, and confirmed his statement as to the
conversation with, and admission of, the prisoner.
By Mr Maude—We had been half an hour sitting before
the fire when the prisoner commenced talking about the
policeman. I had before seen him in the house, but did not
ask who he was.

John Timothy Hughes, a detective officer of the AI divi •
sion, said—From some information given at the chief police
office I was employed to apprehend the prisoner. Last
evening I met him in Surrey-square, Old Kent-road. I
called him by the name of Fisher. He turned round, and
I then asked him if his name was Fisher. He said "No,
my name is Jones." I told him ho was accused of having
pushed a policeman into tha canal in August, 1862, when
the prisoner remarked, " It was only a lark, I did not mean
anything by it." I then took the prisoner to the station.
Mr Maude—Have you any other evidence ?
Hughes—There were some witnesses examined on the in-
quest, but I have not yet had time to get them here.

The prisoner, in answer to the magistrate, said he did not
know what he was talking about, as he was drunk at the
time, He recollected the policeman being drowned, having
first heard of the occurrence from a fellow-workman.
Mr Maude—Having made the statement sworn to, you
cannot complain if you suffer unjustly. It may turn out,
upon inquiry, that your conduct has arisen from a foolish
morbid feeling, but it is my duty to remand you until this
day week.
The rrisoner wike then removed in eaetody.

Primrose Hill Shakspeare Idemor

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viesue'
At the usual weekly meeting of the
held on Wednesday at St. John's Gate, Clerite.d
Mr Richard Moore in the chair, the follow
lo
ports were made :—The chairman reported tbildo
council of the Amalgamated Engineers bolt)
pressed a willingness to include some notice to
movement in their next quarterly racinrt
associated branches throughout the United:lo
dem and the colonies, and the council Weald
supplement such notice by commendatory (Prvi
tions of their own. Mr G. L. Banks lotti
letter received from Messrs Falconer and sill
ton, of Drury Lane Theatre, to the 0%0
every person engaged upon or about that Woo
went—including the company, orchestraleo
artists, ballet, stage carpenters, property teile'lo
pernumeraries, money and check takers, bes'voi
cleaners, bill posters, &c., in all 1,198 Pere,°,oo
left subscriptions in the Treasury on beha'a
Shakapere Memorial Fund. Mr Alfred 6111,00
reported the result of an interview witil,th'.ol
mittee of the Society of Compositors vill'eoo
a most favourable character. Mr John Bain,
reported the formation of a committee in 'llO4
parish of Islington. Similar committeestfifl
course of formation in other districts. lu 10?
Cremer reported that the experiment of enld
members of the Corps of Commissionaires ego
tors had been most successful, and it Was PI
O
to take advantage of the services of thal
the fullest extent possible. Several nevllllol
having been added to the Honorary Coueniu
general committee, and other important t
transacted, the meeting broke up.

LAW INTELLIGENCE—Nov.

COURT OF EXCHEQUEIL
Sittings in Banco—(Before Lord Chief Baron x"
Barons Bramwell, Channel]. and Pigu°
MILLER V. SHEE—BETTING MEN. 000
This action was brought by a commission agent
with the turf, to recover from the defendant, vlli°loll
tint; booths at different races, a sum of £.50, whit,
he lent him upon Epsom Duwns on the Oakg noi
plaintiff gave a very circumstantial account of els
action, but the defendant positively denied diet Ist
for the loan or received the money. The trial f 04,11
Cambridge before Mr Baron Bramwell, when theioti
lieved the defendant's story, and gave 's
During the present term Mr Keane, Q C., on bwoll
plaintiff, obtained a rule to set aside the verdiol
new trial, and it now came on for argument. 11,0f11
from the plaintiff's affidavits that he gave the 01°-11,
defendant in notes, but took no receipt, and tdpl
these notes had been traced to a person named
said he had obtained them from the defendeifiti
after the Oaks, but refused to make an of
effect, on the ground that it was a transecii;ol
betting men, who settled their disputes witll°'
to law.
°
Idaat, eh

Mr Metcalfe, on behalf of the defendant,
against the rule, and submitted tbat the
have given his evidence:as to the notos at the tri
having omitted to do so the defendant ought 1/°

posed to the risk and expense of a new trial.
offif
The Lord Chief Baran—Does Gray make al
the part of the defendant ?61V°

Air Metcalfe—He makes an affidavit on new
Mr li.eane said he could have applied to °lit to
lordships to compel him to make an aindat4
plaintiff allowed the four days allowed 1/ t'uy
that purpose to pass by without taking anYO
matter.
Mr Baron Bramwell—Do you, Mr Aletcl%l"/0'
affidavits, give any explanation of this matt"
notes P
Rif Metcalfe said ho did not. tat'd
The Court said that under those circtloB.4ll
must make rule for a new trial absolute--tha 0`1"

the event.
Rule absolute.