The Sun.
London, England, 1864-07-15 00:00:00

PRIVATE BILL REFEREES.

On the motion of Col, W. PATTEN, that it was expe-
dient that referees should bo constituted under the autho•
rity of this house for the more speedy and econo-
mical decision of certain questions of fact com-
monly arising in the proceedings upon private bills,

the resolution was ordered to be an instrucaon to the
Standing Orders Commitee.
CAPTAIN DE BURGH.

Mr BANBURY asked the Under Secretary of State for
War, whether Captain De Burgh should be allowed to
command the Uxbridge Yeomanry Cavalry when charges
which are preferred against him are still unsettled ; and
whether the order for the annual assembling of the
yeomanry can be countermanded until the matters pending
be cleared up ?

The Marquis of HARTINGTON explained that Captain
De Burgh had satisfied the Lord Lieutenant of the county
in reference to the complaints made of him.

NEW ZEALAND LOAN BILL.

On the order for reading the New Z e,aland Guarantee of
Loan Bill a second time,

Mr A. MILLS moved as an amendment that the bill be
read a second time that day three months. The hon. mem-
ber said that he had good authority for asserting that, if
the present war lasted until the month of April next, it,
would cost the English taxpayer not less than a million, and
a half sterling in the course of the year. It further ap-
peared that Mr Ward, the agent for the color,y, and the
negociator of the proposed loan, had frankly confessed that
he had no power to bind the New Zealand Legislature,
either in respect of the repayment of the loan or the con-
tribution of the colony towards the military expenditure.
The question then was, whether the House of Commons
ought, under these circumstances, to guarantee this million
loan. It was said that the revenue of New Zealand
amounted to £700,0140 a year, and that nine-tenths of it
were derived frout customs. If that were so, why did they
not go into thn open market and raise a loan, without
coming in Prom pauperis and asking for a guarantee from
Parliament, of whose interference they were always so
jealowt, in order to enable them to carry on a war with
refe eence to the righteousness of which the people of Eng-
l'end had serious misgivings, and the real cause of which
lay in the greed of the colonists for the acquisition of land,
He hoped the house would not consent to a guarantee, the
consequence of which must be to impose upon the mother
country a heavy burden and check that spirit of self-
reliance and national vigour which our colonel communi-
ties could only realise when they had been brought to the
conviction that the burden must be shared by those who
claimed and enjoyed the privileges of freedom.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
the proposal had been carefully considered by the
Government from a financial point of view, and there
could be no doubt as to the solvency of the colony and its
disposition to fulfil its engagements. The policy of the
war had been approved by the Imperial Government, and
we could not, therefore, justly throw the expense exclusively
upon the colony. New Zealand was the ,first of our colo
nial possessions that had made any large contribution to-
wards the cost of a war—and the! inducements to the Go-
vernment to take part in the loan were, that one-half the
amount would go immediately into the Imperial Exchequer
to pay off existing debts, and that a great improvement
would be effected in the future regulations of the oharge for
military assistance.
Mr WHITESIDE contended that in asking Parliament
to guarantee the loan, the Government were bound to ex-
plain their policy, and state whether the war was to be con-
tinued to maintain the honour of the country, or if it was in-
tended to exterminate the natives and distribute their lands
amongst those who were engaged in the accomplishment of
that object.
Mr ROEBUCK reiterated his well-known and oft-ex-
pressed views with respect to the natural repugnance exist-
ing between the white and the brown races, and the inevit-
able disappearance of the latter before the advancing tide of
civilisation, the cupidity of the whites, and the introduction
of those potent agents of Christian colonisation, fire-water
and tobacco. If we persisted in the endeavour to maintain
the colony of New Zealand we were also bound to guarantee
this loan and face the direful necessity which had now come
upon us of utterly exterminating the natives—for it was
quite impossible that the European and the Maori could
exist side by side with each other.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY objected to the house mixing
itself up with the financial transactions of New Zealand,
and observed that he understood the gentleman who had
negotiated the loan was connected with a local government
that was no longer in power.
The amendment was also supported by Mr ATTOIITN.
Sir S. NORTHCOTE hoped, if the loan were agreed to,
that the mother country would be set free from the system
of making advances to New Zealand out of the Treasury
chest. He would like to know what exertions the colonists
themselves had made in their own behalf for the services of
the war.
Mr CARDWELL said he could not subscribe to the
ideas of Mr Roebuck on colonisation. So far as the Maoties
were concerned, he thought they were an example that the
brown man need not necessarily disappear before the white.
As to the efforts which the colonists had put forth in their
ONVn defence, in the first place the entire male population
of the province of Auckland capable of bearing arms had
abandoned the profitable pursuits of industry to defend their
homes against the natives ; and, in the next place, the New
Zealand Assembly had agreed to raise 5,000 military settlers
in that province, and to obtain a loan of three millions for
the purpose upon the guarantee of the Imperial Parliament.
This proposal had come recommended by the approval of
the governor. accompanied by the statement that the
colonists had made all the exertions that could be expected
from them. Of this amount the Government had consented
to ask the Imperial guarantee of one million, and they did
so after having satisfied themselves that the security was
ample and indisputable.
Mr ADDER LEY thought that, on the whole, the pro-
position
case,w however,a s cue
altogether
exceptionable,migh t f a fairly
and hel y sanction.
trusted it would not be regarded as a precedent. The colony
was perfectly solvent, and the Government seemed to have
taken every possible precaution, by providing a sinking
fund, to prevent ultimate loss to the Imperial treasury.
Sir J. TRELA.WNY considered that it was her Ma-
jesty's Ministers, and not the colony, who were at fault fur
the present state of things; and ho held that it was an un-
dignified course on their part to make war against the
natives simply because one or two officers and a company
of men had been led into an ambush and attacked. He
hoped the house would reject the bill,
The debate was continued by Mr J. B. Smith, Colonel
Sykes, Mr Whalley (who attributed the New Zealand