The Sun.
London, England, 1852-02-12 00:00:00

VENTILATION, &e, OF THE HOUSE.

Motion made, and Question proposed, " That Dr. Reid be
authorised to complete such temporary arrangements as are
imperatively necessary at present for the maintenance of
a better atmosphere during the Sittings of the House :"
Amendment proposed, to leave out from the word " That"
to the end of the Question, in order to add the words " the
ventilation, warming, and lighting of this House be referred
to the Noble Lord the First Commissioner of Works," in-
stead thereof:—Question put, " That the words proposed
to be left out stand part of the Question." The House
divided :

MAJORITY—AYES, 96.
Archdall, Captain Greenall, Gilbert Norreys, Sir D.
Arkwright, George Gwyn, Bowel O'Brien, Sir Lucius
Bailey, Joseph Hamilton, Geo. A. Packe, C. W.
Blair, Stephen Hamilton, J. 11. Paget, Lord George
Booker, T. W. Hamilton, Lord C. "'echell, Sir G.
Booth, Sir R. G. Hardcastle, J. A. Peel, Sir Robert
Brisco, M. Henley, J. W. Perfect, Robert
Brocklehurst, John Heywood, James Pilkington, James
Brown, W. Heyworth, L. Prime, Richard
Bruce, C. L. C. Ilig,gins, George Renton, J. C.
Buck, Lewis W. Hildyard, T. B. T. Roche, E. B.
Burke, Sir T. J. Hindley, C. Sanders; George
Cholmeley, Sir M. Horsman, E. Scholefleld, William
Cobden, Richard JoWife, Sir W. S. Scobell, Captain
Collins, Thomas Keating, Robert Seymer, Henry Sec
Cowan, Charles Keogh, William Shaft°, R. D.
Crawford, W. S. Kershaw, James Sibthorp, Colonel
Davies, D. A. Lennox, Lord A. himyth, J. G.
()awes, Edward Locke, Joseph Stafford, A.
Duncan, George Lockhart, A. E. Staunton, Sir G.
Dunne, Colonel Lopes, Sir Ralph Strickland, Sir G.
Evans, William Loveden, Pryso Sullivan, Michael
Fitawilliam, G. W. Mackie, John Thompson, Colonel
Foley, J. 11. Macnaghten, Sir E. Tyler, Sir G.
Forbes, William Megan, W. 11. Wakley, Thomas
Fox, W. J. Masterman, John Walker, Richard
Frewen, C. 11. Milligan, Robert li almsley, Sir J.
Fuller, A. E. Moore, G. H. Wawn, J. T.
Galhvcy, Sir W. P. Mo:,c,,an, 11. K. G. Williams, John
Gaskell, J. M. Morgan, 0. Williams, W.
Geach, Charles Morris, David TELLERS. .
Gould, Wyndham Mailings. J. It. Osborne, Ralph
Grace 0. D Mundy, William Hume, J.
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MINORITY—NOR 6, 68.
Acland, Sir T. Dodd, George Napier Joseph
Adair, It. A. Du Bre, C. G. Ogle, S. C.
Adderley, C. B. Ellis, John Patten, J. W.
Aicock, Thomas Elliot, John E. Powlett, Lord W.
Armstrong, Sir A. Evans, Sir De Lacy Rom illy, Colonel
Bagot, lion. W. Fitzroy, Henry Sheridan, R. B.
Baring, Thomas Fordyce, A. 1). Slaney, It. A.
Bell, Jacob French, F. Sotheron, T.
Beresford, William Gore, W. It. 0. Spooner, Richard
Best, John Goulburn, Henry Stanley, Edward
Bowles, Admiral Greene Thomas ' Stanstield, W. H.
Boyle, Colonel Hardinge, C. S. Stauton, W 11.
Bramston, T. W. Harris, Captain Strati, E.
Brockman, E. D. Hatchell, John Thornely, Thomid
Brotherton, Joseph Howard, I'. H. Wall, C. B.
Banbury, William Hughes, W. B. Willoughby, Sir IL
Carter, J. B. Inglis, Si it. Wilson, James
Chatterton, Colonel Lennox, Lord IL G. Wilson, Matthew
Clay, James Lewis, Sir T. Wrightson, W. B.
Cobbold, J. C. Lushington, C. Wodehouse,Edmund
Codrington, Sir W. Mackenzie, F.
Crowder, it. B. Matheson, Colonel
Cubitt, William Maule, Fox
Divett, E. Moffatt, George

RS.
Lewis, TE
GLLEeorge C:
Dundas, Sir D.

THE BALLOT.
TO THE EDITOR OF THE SUN.
Brn,—From the speech delivered a few days ago by
Mr. Fox Maule to the electors of Perth, lied reported
in your journal of last evening. it has now become quite
clear, beyond all doubt, that, whatever may be the spe-
cific measures which the Government intend to propose
in the new Reform Bill, vote by ballot is not to be one
of them. Although the ballot is admitted to be "a fa-
vourite question with the House and the country," it
seems that both are destined to experience disappoint-
ment, and if the reasons which the Right Honourable
candidate has given againit the adoption of it cannot be
received as satisfactory by the country generally, they
must, certainly, be regarded as somewhat novel and ex-
traordinary. Is it not remarkable that the Right Hoe.
Gentleman could be so far impressed with the necessity
of applying the ballot as a remedy for a particular incon•
venience, which heliad probably felt, as to be induced
on one occasion to vote for it, and yet not perceive that
it was equally expedient to protect a much more nume-
rous and respectable class than mere feggot-voters—
persons who are duly qualified as bond fide voters, of
great intelligence, and desirous of acting in accordance
with the dictates and impulses of a conscientious pa-
triotism, but, who might find, that in doing so, they would
expose themrelves and their families to injury or perse-
cution. It appears, however, that as the extinction of
" faggot-voters'' is to be otherwise provided for, there
can exist no other evils of sufficient importance to justify
the use of the ballot, which has "never served:the pur-
pose for which it was intended." As we are not to have
universal suffrage, neither, of course, can we reasonably
expect the bailor, as it might be used to delude the non-
electors, who ought to know for whom each elector gives
his vote. This mode of argument unquestionably seems
more designed to hoodwink the non-electors, who may
be deprived of the privileges of the franchise, than to
satisfy common sense, or candour, for, if those who are
excluded from the power of voting for a Parliamentary
representative are so excluded on the pretext of igno-
rance, where is the fairness, or propriety, of making the
intelligent voter directly and specially responsible to the
most ignorant and debased? Is it not rather a new de- '
vice for conserving what is sometimes called the " legi-
timate influence of property."—l remain, Sir, &c.,
AN INDEPENDENT ELECTOR.
Thorparch, near Tadcaster, Feb. 10.

TO TILE EDITOR OF THE SUN.
Sitt,—lt appears to me the plans for defending the
country aro far too shortsighted. Is there no fear that
those deadly foes of civil and religious liberty, Russia,
Prussia, and Austria, will seize the Dutch and Danish
fleets end be over? Why not watch them with arsenals
at Heligoland, Holy Isle, Yarmouth, Harwich, &c. Why
rot fortify Jersey so as to overawe a French enemy,
Poole, Lyne, Bridport, Blandford, dud Shaftesbury, to
prevcmt their marching from the west to London; Ilan,
Caldy, Tenhy. and Lundy, with squadrons to gnaw] the
Bristol and Irish Channels; Birdsey, Fishguard, and
every litdo point especially in Pembrokeshire, to prevent
our position being turned; Hereford and Chepstow, and
Oxford, Bath and Clifton, with the vales of Ll4ndiney,
the Teifi, and the Tow', to prevent the INssians from
the north joining the French in the south; Gn‘m;trthen,
Cardigan, and Lianelly might be defended by
tions. averfordwest and certain high places ii;T:edct+-
. .i. militia
Pembroke and Carmarthen might be made defexllibl n
Tho colonies are,sadly exposed, especially uerg_ii e.
surrounded by powerful foreign fleets. A large in.rgt
force might be rendered profitable there and here if em-
ployed in public, works. And let us , lay in stores of
ui,M to
Provisions, arms, and ammunition. I doubt theprud,ence
of e sporting any weapons. Even horses may
ride down the armies of Belgium and Port)! be
they, as constitutional countries, stand by Britain, nal should
everything is done to guard every. ViThen
aperture, ,
from invasion, then, but not till then etery crevice,
the enemies of our religious and political'may we answer
previously
ascertained that every, faith (having
inter
redressed).—I remain, sir, 40internal grievance, is
PEDRO Tit AN "
Feb. 7, 1852. APOS VALDEY,
.—.......-____ Barrister-at-Ls ,w.

Mr. West, ALP., had an • '
yeitexclq roruiD interview with Sir Gore
Greyg at the U9Dae-petice,