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and, he was bound to say, of the last also, in reference
to this most important question, was not at all influenced
by the information to which he had referred. Ii the
Hon. Geatleman thought that the contending, claims
between Turkey and Egypt had only for their fowl-
dation a conspiracy of discarded we: kmen from Egypt,
he could easily understand from what sources the
Gentleman obtained information of that description; but
those claims were founded on existing treaties, on the
interpretation of those treaties; on the laws of the
country, and on traditionary interests of the utmost im-
portance. It was impossible for the Government to ac-
cede to the motion, which, if adopted, would lead to the
production of a variety of information rot:se-ring
.to ne
gotiations now pending. The attention of the Govern
ment of this country was of Course directed to the settle-
ment of the mu. usl relations that should subsist hetween
Turkey and Egypt, with a due conviction of the: great
importance to the interests of this country, anclott the
world generally, that those relations ehould be estab-
lished on a proper and legitimate basis. Ile felt it his
duty, therefore, to oppose the motion of the Hon.-Gen-
tleman, and he dd so on the intelligible anci
simple
ground that the transactions to which he referred were
In an imperfect state, and that it would hive a Most in-
jurious effect on the public service if thOse papers were
produced.
Lord J. RUSSELL entire ly agreed with the Right
Hon. Geutlem in that ;his was a subject of the hiehest
importance and delicacy, and thought he was quite right
in opposing this motion. He thought the Hon. Gentle•
man who coeds this motion was mistaken as regardsd
the guarantee of England. This country was a. party to
the settlement of Egypt as an hereditary pashaltc iu the
family of Mehemet Ali, bat by no means guaranteed the
conditions on which the relations betweeu the Sultan and
the Pasha should subsist. The interference of this
country was a matter of the utmost delicacy., We were
on the most friendly terms with the Sultan and withthe
Pasha of Egypt, and we might therefore not only give
counsel generally, but might even advise the Sultan to
allow the Pasha the power of inflicting capital punish..
ment, without reference to Constantinople, if we thought
proper to do so; hut, at the same time, such inter-
ference could only be received as the counsel of a friend,
and only by being couched in the most conciliatory
terms could such advice be well received. He could not,
but think that the production of these documents would
tend to prevent the success of the object in view, and
that it would be better to leave the matter in the' hands
of the Executive. No men was better fitted than our
Ambassador at Constantinople to manage such affairs,
and if instructions were given to him by the Government
at home they would be faitufully executed by that distin-
guished person.--(Hear.)
Mr. HUME said that in .1839 we dispatched to:Egypt
.00 sail-of-the-line to conquer the .P4slia.atid. to Place
Egypt undor the Sultan, wilt the guarantee of England
and France that certain powers snould he continued to
the Pasha. There were documents in which it appeared
that the Sultan, while he was speaking in the fairest and
most flattering manner, was preparing troops to over
whelm Egypt, but England stepped in at the risk of the
peace of Europe and carried by force of arms success to
the Sultan, on the condition that certain rights should
be secured to the Pasha. He regrettel to find that there
appeared to be an intention to destroy the treaty so
guaranteed; but, as the Right Hon. Gentleman said the
production of these documents would be injurious to the
public service, be trusted his Lion. Friend would with-
draw his motion for the present.
Mr. MILNES did not beieve that the Noble Lord the
late Foreigu Secretary would ever consent to the inter-
pretition of the treaty, that England was to guarantee
the independenceof Egypt—(!leer, hear)—that it would
necessarily enforce the maintenance of it; but he be-
lieved the Noble Lord and the public sense of diplo-
macy in England agreed that the parties to that ar-
rangement were morally bound by every means
in their power to support the Pasha of Egypt
in just and independent authority.—Hear, hear.)
At the same time, he must say it was hardly
fair to look upon this question without considering
in some degree that the edict lately put forth by the
Sultan was a very great advance in the civilization of
that part of the world. Since that edict had been pro-
mulgated, not only had the Christian people living under
the dominion of the Sultan been treated in a totally
different manner from that in which they were before
treated, but the principles of good government had bee
been
established to a great extent. If the Pacha of Ept
could so put his case to the Court of Constantinople as
to make it appear that be would only allow capital
puni.hmtnt to follow on a just trial and fair conviction,
he did not believe that the Sultan would deny to the
Pacha the power which her Gracious Majesty committed
to the hands of the governors of our own colonies. With
regard to the question of railroads, he could not conceive
that the Suit :n could ever have seriously contempl.ted
the prevention of such a great improvement in what
might still be commie:re:el his own dominions. He be-
lieved that the present Pacha lied the real welfare of
Egypt at heart, and would try to improve his country by
solid and practical reforms; aud, it the questions between
him and the Porte were left to the mediation of Sir 8.
Canning and Mr. Murray, he (Mr. Manes) believed that
they would be satisfactorily arranged.
Mr. ANDERSON, in reply, said, that after the ob-
servations of his Right Honourable Friend, be could not
think of pressing this motion. As to the delicacy of the
question. however, he must say that no such delicacy was
shown in 1839, when the Pechaehad the Sultan prostrate
at his feet. The Hon. Gentleman who had last spoken
had referred to the mediation of Sir S. Canning and Mr.
Murray, but there was a general opinion that they did
not pull well together, though in his (Mr. Anderson's)
opinion, Mr. Murray was pulling the right way. Th
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railroad that was wanted in Eypt was the railroad
t mean Cairo and Suez—the ether was entirely for the
internal improvement of Egypt; but the Pacha could not
make either of these railroads utile as he bud the permis-
sion of the Porte to do it. He believed that never had
there been a Pacha of Egypt who had effected so much
practical good for his country as the present. He had
remitted taxation to the amount of 1,500,000/. sterling,
and bad relieved the people from the bondage they were
in by allowing them to go to any part of the country
they pleased. With respect also to capital puniabmenta
in Egypt, he found that daring the three years preced-
ing the reign of the present e.cha te numbr was six-
teen per annum, while during the three yea se afterwards
it was only beven.
Tile motion was thenOWwithdrawn.
THE TN OF ENNIS.
The O'GORMAN MAHON then rose for the pur-
pose of calling the attention of the House to the subject
matter of the petition presented from the town commis-
sioners of Enuis. The Hon. Gentleman said that the
gentlemen from whom the petition emanated were com-
paratively personally disinterested, and that their mo.
tive in addressing, that Hou.e was to obtain, through its
medium, protection from the deep wrong inflicted on the
poor of the town of Ennis. The river Fergus ran
through the town, taking its source about eight or nine
miles above it. A loan was obtained by the proprietors
in the neiehbourhood of the town for the Board of
Works to effect the drainage of the lands near the river;
but, instead of commencing an outlet to facilitatelem en the
exit of the water, at the instigation of the gent
named in the petition, they deepened the river near its
source, and thus, by collecting all the water superabun-
dant on the adjacent lands, created a facility tor inun-
dating the town of Ennis.—(A laugh,) Under these
circumstances, the petitioners prayed the Honkie to
insist on the Commissioners of the Board of
Il as
Work
completing the work they bad undertaken. e hea,
year after Year, impressed this matter on the late „
o-
vernmeat, and believed that the Bight Hon. Baronet near
him had, at last, been disposed to meet the wiahes of the
people of Ennis to a certain extent. What he asked
from the Chancellor of the Exchequer was a loan, to be
advanced on the security of the Lulls of the town of
Ennis, an arrangement to which he had no doubt that
the owner of those tolls
(Colonel Wyndbane) would
assent. The II Gentleman concluded by moving
that the Board of Works in Ireland be direr ed forth-
with to proceed with the completion of the drainage
above the town of Ennis.
Sir C. WOOD said, that he hod on former occasions
pointed out to his Hon. Friend that, before anything
c Juld be done prsclieally in the matter, it would be
necessary to have a Bill passed under which local Com-
missioners could be appointed tor edministering any
loan that the Government might make for the desired
purposss.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
had oily bad an opportunity that day of reading the
petition enforced by the lion. Gentleman opposite, but
it appeared ft ow the petition itself that the tault of the
non-progress of the works rested not with the Board of
Works, but with the proprietors of the locality, who bad
refused that second assent which was required by the
Chancellor
lloDr roafintah7EAxceth., Ther lion. Gentleman should
BoßzlfEushledsatiude,cli
~tepprieeetoalr,sthhoeawldr,eture, rather to those proprietors than to the
Sir L.
rutheas.!cothnde reason
Board of
tirely futile that Nil: of
the
for the tin
hy
observed,
money. sent
was, w
improvement
bad expended the first grautttahhlealotpwtrenode-
n e rma tre.
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Ato
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ob
Fergus in a manner so en-
tirely saw it would not remu-
nerate
arisen under the Drainage Act. the
his attention to the sugbjeAcct.
measurettl?
and he hoped before
vthoetinmgeeting of the new Parliament
which would enable
greatest confusion
Re
ehahvaed pbreeepnadreed-
some simple and intelligible
these works to be satistactorily execute
Mr. GROGAN expressed his satisfaction at
merit just made by the Right Hon. and Leartnetdeuittt
Attor-
ney General, fir under the system that bad been
of late great hardship bad been inflicted upon le Itlesdh
lauded proprietors. In almost every case the estimated
expense of these works had been greatly exceeded, and
in some canes the amount hod been nearly trebled.
The O'GORMAN MAHON brie fly replied. Until
that evening he had never heard a word about the mode
of settling the question by bringing in a Bill, but now
that that course had been suggested he looked upon his
object as accomplished, and intimated his intention of
introducing a Bill at as early a period as possible.
Thh motion was then withdrawn.
BORNEO.
Mr. HUME moved an address for a copy of a letter
from Mr. Eileen Burns to Viscount Palmeraton, dated
Singapore, the 28th day of June, 1851, with its en-
closures, complaining of the obstructions and discou-
ragements he had received to his commercial affairs in
Borneo at the hands of her Majesty's Commissioner
and Consul-General to the Sultan and independent
chiefs of Borneo, while prosecuting his lawful commer-
cial proceedings in that country; together with a copy
of any answer thereto. He believed his lion. Friend
near him (Mr. Drummond) was anxious to take that op-
portunity of renewing an old debate with reference to
Sir J. Brooke, but he begged to assure his lion. Friend
that his present motion had no reference to that clues-
ot ilor ne ,a
dbyu tp
Tfihrepreapwerosulidn cboontaitunupalothrumecafussomfoer
rwoadsucmeedr.ely
renewing the old debate hereafter.
Mr. DRUMMOND said what he ' objected tc was his
Hon. Friend's putting repeated notices on the paper