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MONDAY EVENING, FEBRUARY 2,

why this is so. It is because the wiser among them-
selves believe the cause of the people is more varnestly
served by men who rebuke ..,nd oppose, rather than
by these rwho foment the passions and prejudices, and
the erroneous purposes of the people themselves. The
faith of the better portion of the Chartists is in men
who have been tried, and are trusted because they
have been tried.

A man in every way fit to stand beside the recog-
nized chiefs of the popular party in the House of
Commone, now offers himself to the choice of the
electors of Nottingham. In many respects, indeed,
Mr. Gisborne may well be esteemed the most service-
able man to the popular cause, and therefore the best
entitled to the suffrages of the electors of Nottingham.
The solid sense of Joseph Hume, the weighty ;and
cutting logic of Cobden, the fire and energy of Bright,
the versatile rhetoric of Milner Gibson, are feared
and admired in the House of Commons. But in the
eloquence of Mr. Gisborne there is perhaps more to
distract and discomfort opponents, and to sustain the
courage and spirit and decision of friends, than in that
of any member of the popalar party. Nobody cuts
through a fallacy with a keener wit, or exposes an incon-
sistency with more humorous irony ; no one states
great political truths in language more easy or terse,
or illustrates them with more apt and happy similes
and contrasts. He has always clear and distinct
views, and expresses them in language as transparent
and striking. He is known for his boldness. Con-
fident in the safety of popular principles, he is never
deterred by cold doubts from going heartily with the
"setter aims of the people. He knows that boldness
and decision are true caution in stirring times ; and
far from dreading a little popular agitation, he rather
loves its roughness for the speed it gives to the pro-
gress of the Liberal cause. Nottingham could not
find a more consistent and able man to represent it;
and if it could it ought rather to choose him by way
of wiping out an injustice done him in the last elec-
tion, and also by way of exhibiting in a more marked
degree their desire to repair their false judgment.

LAW INTELLIGENCE.
INSOLVENT DEBTORS' COWiT, Jan. 31.
(Moro Mr. C.:;mrnis.sioner Law.)
1N RE ERNEST CHARLES JONES.
This insolvent, Lho wt.-11-known Chartist erect., peti-
tioned under the Protection Act, clebcribing himself us a
barrister-at-law.

The schedule showed consideration debts to the
amount of 8431. The insolvency was stated to be
" owing to my having been deprived of my personal
liberty as a state prisoner for two years, during the
years 1848 to 1850, whereby I was deprived of the
means of pursuing my professional and literary labours,
and I also attribute my insolvency to the heavy expenses
I have been put to consequential on the very severe
illness brought on by my imprisonment, and the very
severe regimen imposed on me during my confinement."
In his balance-sheet the insolvent debited himself with
moneys received as sub-editor of the Northern Star,
newspaper, and as editor of the Labourers' Magazine.
There was also a statement under the date of 1848—
" About this time I was acting as one of the Chartist
delegates, and was in the habit of frequently attending
public meetings, and addressing them on matters con-
nected with their rights and privileges. I was, on the
6th of June, 1848, in this year taken into custody at
the instigation of her Majesty's Government, upon a
charge of using seditious language, for which I was tried
at the Central Criminal Court, on the 10th of July of
this year, and was sentenced to undergo an imprisonment
of two years, which sentence was carried into execu-
tion. DUring my imprisomcnt I endured the greatest
privations, arising chiefly from cold, bad diet separate
confinement, the silent system, and the rigorous prison
discipline, which produced a serious illness, from which
lam not now thoroughly recovered. The term of my
imprisonment expired on the 10th of July, 1850. On
obtaining my liberty it became absolutely necessary that
I should go into the country to recruit my health and
gain strength, for the means of doing which I am in-
nebted to the voluntry aid of my friends." In the list
of creditors Mr. Charles Kean, the tragedian, was entered
as a creditor for 251., money lent and interest. The in-
solvent also stated that he petitioned the Bankruptcy-
Court as an insolvent debtor in January, 1846, and ob-
tained a final order of protection. His debts were then
9,7431. 13s. 4d., still unpaid.
Mr. Dowse appeared to-lay in support of the petition,
and a creditor named Jackson opposed.
Mr. Commissioner LAW, upo❑ examining the sche-
dule, said, this is a protection petition. lam told by the
papers that there is a protection petition still pending.
What am I to do?

Mr. Dowse—l am afraid, Sir, you will do that which
you have been accustomed to do in all previous cases of
this kind—consider that you have no jurisdiction. I
have told my client of the decisions of this Court, and
that this petition must be dismissed. It was filed through
a misapprehension of the law.
Mr. Commissioner Lew—Then there is nothing more
to be said. I see a statement about property, but it is
not necessary to read it, because whatever property this
party has, it belongs to the official assignee of the Bank-
ruptcy Court.
The petition was then dismissed.

POLICE INTELLIGENCE,
MANSION-HG USE.

Henry Cromwell, who has undergone several examina-
tions upon charges made against him by wine merchants
of having defrauded them, was brought before the Lord
Mayor and Alderman Wilson for final examination.
Great numbers of the prisoner's customers were present.
Alderman WILSON said, the prisoner had written a
letter to the magistrate complaining of rigorous treat-
ment experienced by him from the policeman who had
apprehended him, and wished to be further informed
upon the subject.
The prisoner said the officer had thought proper, con-
trary to all precedent, to put irons upon his hands on
his way from the Mansion-house to the Compter after
the last examination. _

Wardle, the policeman who had the care of the pri-
soner, said—l was obliged to handcuff the prisoner, be-
cause I knew that he would do every thing he could to
escape from me. He would not let me put a hand
upon him, or walk with him, and I know his object was
to get away. _ .

Alderman WiLsoN—Prisoner, we are very sorry
when the police are obliged to resort to such measures
for the safe custody of those whom they apprehend,
but if you had escaped this man would have been sus..
pend ed.
Wardle—My dismissal from the force would cer-
tainly have been the consequence, and everybody who
knows the prisoner is convinced that he would have
taken every advantage. Ho would not allow me to take
him by the arm, so I was obliged to secure his handl,.
The prisoner—Well, I would much rather go in
irons than condescend to go arm-in-arm with a po-
liceman.
Wardle—He wanted to stop at a public-house to take
a glass of ale with a person who stood at the door of it,
and who would most probably have assisted him to es-
cape, if I had been fool enough to permit it.
The prisoner—Well, if I am to be sent for trial, the
sooner the better. I would greatly prefer a jury to this
sort of humbug, and I shall soon make it appear to them
that everything that has been done towards me has not
only been harsh but illegal.
The evidence in several of the cases against the pri-
soner was then read over by the chief clerk.
The prisoner—Now, if I had effected sales for these
people (the prosecutors) there would have been none of
this sort of persecution, for I shall make it plain to the
jury, to their shame, that it is nothing but persecution.
But I could not effect sales with spurious articles, for
the publicans are too wide awake to be done by suck an
imposition.
When the prisoner was asked whether ho wished to
sign the statement which he had made in answer to the
first charge, he said, " Not I. How do I know whet I
may be signing? It may be my death warrant, for what
I know."
When the evidence in four separate cases of fraud and
one of embezzlement had been read,
The prisoner said—l dare say you can, in the case of
an unsuccessful man,
easily get up 200 or 300 cases
against him, especially if the police run about to get
them up, as this officer has been doing. All these things
are concocted against me.—(Loud laughter.) I'll show
the jury that all those who have appeared against me
are perjured. There are several of the fellows I never
laid my eyes upon before; and those I do know tried to
get me to do their dirty work, and they now come Like
locusts to endeavour to destroy me.
Wardle—ln every quarter in which the prisoner ap-
peared he has been sure to take in coffee-houses, public-
houses, beer shops, grocers shops, and even priv ate
houses. He has done everybody ho came near out of
some property or other.
The prisoner—lf I had not been apprehended I would
have paid all my debts; and what he speaks of are
debts, and nothing else. But I have been obliged to
give up my situation in consequence of this impertinent
interruption to my business.—(Laughter.)
The prisoner was then commitled to Newgete for

_
DEPUTATIONS TO LORD J. RUSSELL.
Deputations from the parishes of Marylebone and
St. Pancras waited upon Lord John Russell on Sa-
-1 turday at the Treasury, for the purpose of laying
before bis Lordship the views of those two extensive
districts on the subject of extramural interments, and
to suggest such arrangements as appeared to them
most advisable for carrying out this object. The pa-
rish of S'. Pancras was represented by Sir Benjamin
Hall, M.P.; Mr. Baker and Mr. Pierce, churchwar-
dens ; Mr. W. D. Cooper, Mr. Brettingham, Mr.
Healey, Mr. Turner, Mr. Glover, Dr. Gregory, Mr.
T. H. Smith, and Mr. Billett. The deputation from
the parish of Marylebone consistei of Lord Dudley,
Stuart, M.P.; Mr. Soden, Mr. N icholay, Mr. D'lf-
fanger, jun., Dr. Russell, Mr. A. Daniell, Mr. Swaine,
and Mr. Poland.
Both the deputations were ushered into his Lord-
ship's presence at the same time. Lord John Russell
received them very courteously, and invited the lead-
ing members to be seated near the table. Sir George
Grey entered the room while the deputation were
discussing the question, but took no part in the pro-
ceedings.
Mr. GREENWELL, the vestry-clerk of the parish of
Marylebone, then reed the memorial as follows :
" To the Right Hon. Lord John Russell, First Lord of
the Treasury, the Memorial of the Vestrymen of the
Parish of Marylebone.
" Showeth,—That under the provisions of a certtin
Act of Parliament, made and passed in the 13th tit d
14th years of the reign of her present Majesty, intituled
An Act to make better provision for the interment of
the dead in and near the metroptlis,' certain powers
were given to the General Board of Health to act in the
execution of that Act, and from time to time to provide
hurial•groueds of sufficient extent for the decent inr-
ment of all persons dying within the metropolitanburial
district.
is disgraceful to this country
" That the present state of the met ropolitanaytiaornd! ge-
nerallyin-above re-
jtuhreiopuesoptloe.public health, and subverstveasofathne morals of
ferred to, have not been carriedl out,s by
your menaorial-
That the provisions of the Interment Atbcet,
whom they were intrusted (main
ists humbly conceive, in
with a matter apart
powers to
which it was proposed
from local control); and the evils
consequence of the incompe-
to remedy, not only remainnf accitbiela:ertlied, but continue to
pulation, and now loudly
immediate and effective
d to their permanent removal.
proceedings as wi
cinacllrefoarseths'e• i t
adoption
theop t increase
tend
nue af
ds and regulated the interment of their
" That your memorialists; have hitherto provided their
own burial-group sesuchP°
dead with a due consideration for the feelings and to
the entire satisfaction of the
parishioners at large.
" your memorialists, therefore, humbly pray your
Lordship to bring is a Bill early in the next session of
Parliament, allowing parochial authorities to purchase
sites for extramural interment under local control, and
establishing such a scale of fees and charges as may be
sufficient to carry out the object.
" And your memorialists will ever pray, &e."
Mr. BARER said the parish of St. Pancras had a
similar petition to present to his Lordship.
Mr. BRETTINGIIAM then read the memorial.
Mr. NICHoLAY had been requested by the deputa-
tion from the parish of Marylebone to state their
views. They were extremely anxious that the Go-
vernment should bring in a proper measure on the
subject; but they were anxious also that there should
be some control in the hands of the parish iu car-
rying out.. its provisions. The local authorities were,
they believed, the fit parties for that purpose, and.
they objected—and he had no hesitation in saying that
they strongly objected—to any measure of centraliza-
tion which would place the affairs in the hands of a

board or in the beryls of the Government. That very
question was at the present "Lome at al utlieg an agi-
tation which his Lordship was probably not aware of.
I;e trusted the Government would see the policy of
allowing the pros isions of-the measure to he carried
out by the local authorities. They had already had
experience of what Marylebone, St. Pancras, and
other large parishes had accomplished, and how they
bad carried on their local affairs, not only with satis-
faction to the metropolis generally, but to the rate-
payers themselves.
Mr. W. D. COOPER had been requested, on the
part of the parishioners of St. Pancras, to point out
what situation they were in, and what their wishes
were. From the earliest times the vestry had had
control ever the burial-grounds of the parish. In a
recent Act full powers were granted for the purchase
of a new burial-ground ; but they we re in the same
condition as the Government itself, they had no
power to borrow money, and they had exhausted
their funds. It they had the power to purchase land,
and to mortgage the rates, to he repaid out of the
fees, giving a power to the trustees, jointly with the
vestry, to manage the rates for that purpose, he
thought they would be able to effect the object they
had in view under the regulation of the Government.
it would, of course, be advisable to submit their rules
and regulations to the Government, but he believed
the details would be better carried out by being left
in the hands of the local authorities. They had a
Bill proposed, with the assent of all parties, to
divide the large parish of St. Pancras, with its
170,000 inhabitants, into several parishes, and
he could state that churchmen, dissenters, and
all sects and parties, were agreed that the object
of the present deputation could be carried out with-
out the interposition of a church-rate. If the Govern-
ment thought the powers necessary to enable the
parish to carry out the regulation of its own burial-
ground too great to intrust to any one parish, then
they might amalgamate with others, and form a dis-
trict for that common object. He suggested that a
board might be formed out of the existing vestries of
the parish, not by direct election, as that would be
likely to create too much excitement, but that those
vestries, by indirect election, should nominate the
trustees and managers of the burial-ground.
Mr. SODEN also briefly addressed his Lordship.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL then said—Gentlemen, I can
only state to you in reply that the matter has been
for some time under the consideration of the Govern-
ment ; that the general principle of the measure to be
produced has been agreed upon, and that Lord Sey-
mour has been charged by me with the duty of pre-
paring the measure and carrying out its details.
I believe that we are all agreed on the general
principles, and these only I shall touch upon at
present. In the first place, we are agreed that
there is a great desire, and I think a very just
desire, that interments should not go on
within the metropolis. In crowded streets it is not fit
that there should be burial-grounds, and where the
number dying is very large the result must be very
injurious to the public health. In the next place I
should say that I entirely agree that anything that
can be done by the parochial authorities would be
better done by them than by the Government, or by
a board appointed by the Government. In the third
place, it is a matter of no little difficulty to accom-
plish the object in such a town as this is, considering
the vast size of the metropolis. I am told that such
things are arranged differently in other towns, and I
Can conceive it ; but in this town W 2 have to consider
that if the burial-grounds to be provided are to be
free from buildings, they must be at a considerable
distance. If we go to St. Pancras, we find that
soma years ago they provided a burial-ground which
was remote from buildings, but by the increase
of the town it has now been included in the town
itself, and in this way many cemeteries have
become surrounded by houses. That being the
case, and it being necessary that burial-grounds
should be provided at some distance, of course there
would be no very great difficulty as regarded the
rich or the poor, because the parish undertakes
the interment of the poor ; but there is, with regard
to a vast mas of the middle class of the people a diffi-
eulty, as they would have to pay a considerable sum
for the interment of their families. And with regard
to the working of the plan that has been suggested,
there is another difficulty, which does not belong to
the locality, but refers to the size of the parish; be-
cause while the new parishes, if I may so call them,
consist of very large districts—most of them im-
mensely populous—there are in the old parts of the
town very small parishes, which, of course, would be
neither able to go to the same expenditure, or take the
same large and comprehensive view as those larger
parishes ; therefore there are difficulties belonging to
the subject; but I trust that the measure under con-
sideration, when it is produced, may be satisfactory,
and, at all events, we shall be ready to listen to any
amendments that may be proposed. So far from its
being the object of the Government to have any con-
trol in these matters, they have quite enough to do
already, and it is, I assure you, far from their wish to
be incumbered with them.

Mr. COOPER begged to ask whether his Lordship
had any objection to having the proceedings of the
deputation published, with his Lordship's remarks ?
Lord J. RUSSELL—I have no objection whatever;
but I reserve -to myself the right of denying it if
anything is attributed to me that I may not have said.
The deputation then withdrew.