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were not mentioned in the written constitution of Pet
that the islands were at a distance from the cosst;'t!
they were wholly unoccupied and destitute of fa
w,ter, with no buildings erected upon them; that no
of sovereignty hod been exercised over them by Fel
and that, according to the law of nations, the mere PI
Bence of ,eartering tribes was not sufficient to consiitt
a claim of right of provrty. Oe the other hard, t
claim of the P. ruvian Geve- lament was, that the WAD
were formerly held to belong to the Spanish previa
and that on the separation of Peru from Spain th
passed of themselves to the Government of Peru witho
any special mention; that one was distant about for
miles, and the other only twelve miles from the col
that they were by no means newly discovered; and tb
a distinct act of sovereignty had been exercised to'
them by the Government of Peru in prohibiting the I
dian tribes from hunting upon them, lest the bill
should be disturbed. Resting upon this claim, the G'
vernment of Peru had declared that they would resist g
attempts upon these islands. Her Majesty's Goya
ment bad examined the case, and the Noble Lord tl
Secretary of State (the Earl of Milaiesbury) had state,
in reply to a letter upon the subject, that the Geyer!
'inept were not prepared to send ships of war to these
lands, and that, however advantageous it might be I
Great Britain to appropriate the islands, or to declal
them common property, we would not violate interns
doled law. At the same time, the Government enter
tained a sincere hope that (as we understood) such er
rangements might be made as could effect the object
sired, and secure a supply of guano.
Sir F. BARING might be allowed to say, es tb
,se
transaction passed in some degree when he was in GP"'
that within the last few days (as we understood) be 1?„6
received a letter from the admiral in command, stiti";
that he had sent, or was on the point of sending, a 're.°
to protect the trade with these islands.
UNIVERSITY COMMISSION.
Mr. HORS MAN gave notice that to-morrow he shoci,
ask the Secretary of State when it was
probable that %i
University Commission would conclude their report;
damlaseyoa)nwtaistsohtethdaekteofilrithsnetow if the Chancellor of the Excheqb
intended to bring on the Committee of Supply as
EXCHEQUER
MilitiaGfi I:Ttht Government
nA
Bill hau:aNs.deocn Et LL businessoß o
ft to-morrow o rro w
been
a nonrod uen Committeercrpd thattboef Sdaauf
rl
theto-morrowTherß oi grthb :0 :( tht:eb;i
received, he meant to give •
Gentleman
(Mr. Slaney). who had kindly relinquis-c
his advantage on a former occasion, an oortunit);
gave notice
MAIL.
Mr. COWANTHg ve O
bringing on his motion, and then he meant to reve—
s t
the orders of the day.
that ho sbneld 116 k
Secretary to the Treasury if any arrangement
could b
made by Government to expedite or shorten thetain'in
taken up in the transmission of the London and
burgh mail.—(Hear, hear.)
MILITIA BILL.
On the motion for considering this Bill as amends'e
Colonel SI LiTLIORP moved in lines 21 and 22 5"
the words " appointments to the rank of major,„ (11
leave out the word " major," and insert the werej
" captain or any higher rank." It was admit!,
by two Governments that the militia was Pp
cessary, and he wished to make the force what
or
ought to be. The militia was formerly kept up in a cAs
stitutional and efficient manner, and he desired it S 1
be so for the future. bjo
Mr. HUME said no amendment would reconcile
to the Bill, which he protested against in oto
impolitic and barbarous in these enlightened daps le;
establish a eystem of conscription among the 1041,r
and he should not hesitate to avail himself of everlbi
portunity to oppose a measure which involved 6
principle.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS also observed that pothingcoo
reconcile him to the measure. He had begn oprost,osf
it from the commencement; first, on the ground tb
military defences were sufficient; and, 2dly, that 1,00
were not, the militia would not supply the deficlosli
The system of ballot, as provided for in this clause,
greatly embarrass the Government when it was P°„018,
operation, for nothing was so odious and objenio?;eol
to the people of this country as conscription in a 9 yid
profound peace. The public had been grossly cl,doce
to believe that the military force available for the de ,'Oll
of the country was only one-half of its real pOO
extent.
lle°
Mr. WALPOLE said reasonable time would bAce
the
by the Government for Hon. Members to onnsiue-dieg'
course they should take on the third resweet,
He would fix the third reading for MondaY„ 001
In regard to the amendment of the lion. and ‘7 °woe
Colonel, he should make certain alterations in the c
which he thought would meet his objections.
The amendment was then withdrawn. sir
Colonel GILPIN then proposed a proviso, oil
powerinecommanding officers of regiments to 01)44
f°l
non-commissioned officers from the ranks of de
soldiers.

The amendment was agreed to.
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Mr. THORNELY then proposed the followinLi ve
viso at the end of clause 18:—" Provided always, the not
member of the Senate of the University of LeedeToiss.
any exam.ner, or other officer thereof, nor all .P.tita.
sor, tutor, or lecturer of any college, school, or Inages.
Lion connected with the said University, under fbefrof
visions of any charter thereof, nor any student 0
pitt•
such college, school, or institution, who shall bacevele
triculated in the said university, shall be liable to ser
the militia under this Act.
Mr. GOULBOURN said the proviso went
d an
beyond
privilege enjoyed by the Universities of Wha rostra,lf
Cambridge, as it extended to all persons who
culated. As regarded schools, also, it wont beY.°ndtbl
privileges accorded to the Universities of Conbcidge s P
Oxford. 'odic°
Mr. GLADSTONE suggested that it wouldrJ 05 so
the cause it espoused, to press the proviso, it cevith.
loose and so vague. He suggested it should be
_. be
drawn, and some test of residence sought for, w
brought forward on a future occasion. • tif
Mr. HEYWOOD thought it would effect the obi°
scholars engaged in education were comprised alove-0
4
Mr. THORNELY, under these circumstances, 1"
withdraw his amendment.
In reply to Mr. HEYWOOD,
Mr. WALPOLE said he was quite satisfied tB4lllee
the
the University of Durham on the same footing P sod
other universities—namely, London, Cambridge'
Oxford. be taken
Mr. BERNAL said St. Bee's ought also to
into consideration. .11 was re-
The amendment was withdrawn, and the Si igondel
ported, and ordered to be read a third time oil
week.
VALUATION OF PROPERTY (IRELAND; %Li"
On the second reading of this Bill,
Lord NAAS reminded the House that,
and 7th William IV., the valuation of 26 counties is 1;141
land had been made ; but, some years after the poor-I°,o
came into operation in Ireland it was found necessarf..;),
alter the mode of valuation. Another Act ass so!„,
sequently passed, which was based on what wasouls,
posed to be the letting value of lands and beit:e`d,
Glider that system only five counties had been "',OOl
under the 6th
and in three more it was partly finished, in the cont,
b 0;
five years.—(llear, hear.) It was impossible that
il,eit•
system could la, continued, and bequeathed to rio
grandchildren. There was also the greatest difficulqeif
the mode of conducting appeals,
Ithoe Bt):1151.11ajit::
cumbersome and unsatisfactory to all parties. The glop,
which was excessteo
object should be to make one uniform mode of valitece
and with that view the Right Hon. Gentleman the D'avt,,
Bill last session. That'
bar for Drogheda brought in a
however, was found to be so cumbersome that it gan" be
satisfaction whatever. The present measure violf7iiis
different—it proposed to proceed on an average e` 00
price of agricultural produce at 6,000 markets for pre
last three years, as taken from the different newirraf:Do
mThat
osnv
ears ,oifavfaalcuts,
valuation,
eaanddi is
gafs efeaturerwar :Ifs
appeal, which was first to the cc: r•
uttered the mode of
sessions. Ho , had every reason believe,that '- e'
Bill were approved ' to
he i'
oi, the whole of Ireland would - toff
lued in
system four or five years, and the present unsatisfacc.'ord
moved put an end to. ha conclusion, the Noble '
the second reading of the Bill. 'for'
Mr. CLEMEN TS deprecated: such a 011- s
bringing suc it et!
ward on the eve of a general election, and when tie
natural to teen- e
expect that Irish Members would bo fl,--„ heiolb
Ireland. He protested, therefore, 'the No -
against :w
continued at the
present time. The first Bill Was '`,l fel
duced •in 1826; five others had since followed, as the
the question la
was far from being settled, shay' - 0111
complex and difficult nature of the question• Across'
was also introduced in the last session, it Was 4,0 oe
witted twice, and yet had to be abandoned. It !Lore,
a totally different principle from the present 11_,7,000:
which showed that it required great consinw,"ooo
The whole of this valuation had already cost in ~,' a to
numbers 260.0001., and surely they were not g_.°P-c;re•
incur mere expenses, without having the subject
filly considered. He knew something of the ill'ci 030
in England as well as in Ireland, and believe oss
in the majority of unions the poor-law valllatianlie.rior
not a good ore for the purpose of taxation, but °rote'
to that of England in many instances. It we%to e
rious that state already made were thrown "- set'
state of great confusion by the appeals to quartei.erit
sinus, and he was therefore against the establiehlbst
of such a tribunal. It was impossible to exPeet fled
such a measure should pass in the present session' r to
he put it to the Noble Lord if it were not hettebe of
postpone it until next year. The delay could unit „lion
any consequence, for no alteration in the vitt ot
would affect the constisuencies for the next tlicet--pte
four years. For his own part, even if it Went 0100
Committee, which he deprecated, he believed it '; rut
meet the fate of its predecessors. He should, ther-f° g'
!it._ooth ,
move that it be read a second time that day three Ku lot
Mr. H. HFRPERP
' , . represented a part of IrAceretl
wherehih such a measure was Lo necessary, that he Orl:ard.
- t anks to his Noble Friend for bringing it for",v- j3f
eveno at that period of the session. He did not see
condo
HD. Members for Ireland could • -the coo'
not imitate aeo..
of Scotch Members, who in discussing measures a'. II
vat
sing their country put themselves in communication oils
the Government upon the mere details, andswere 000
enabled to overcome all difficulties. He was quite
ould
his Noble Friend, the Chief Secretary for Ireland, C!, vot
listen to any suggestidns made to him, and he rhu_ded
see, therefore, why she Bill could not be proce,e,
with. He denied that the Poor-law valuation gave gat
neral satisfaction, for in his own part of the country
was quite the contrary. valve,
tion R. FERGUSON denied that the poor•law %icy,
tion gave the dissatisfaction alluded to by the ]age
Member for Kerry, for Mr. Joseph Kincaid, wbn dii•
connected with very extensive properties in Ireland, the
tinctly stated, in his evidence before a Committee of :p,
House of Lords, that it was, generally speaking'
ti of
proved of.
He was oppesed to the bringing forriar or
such a Bill at that period of the session, when °°,4 de-
portunity would be given to discuss it carefully OIL'
liberately. e the 0111'
Mr. VESEY supported the second reading 0. ,O.
The 0000 oyekem of vatiaiiim wilutoperogyv r
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