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county he represented, fur the poor-law rating was so
unequal and unsatisfectory, that they had found it ne-
cessery to have So‘no systematic and uniform system in-
trolueed. They had therefo:e a leaved th steel ol
town-land rating, and althotesh the Hon. Baronet, the
11,mber fur Londunderry, hal sail that it was atteeded
with much expense, yet he believed that the cesspayers
f°Trod themselvee greatly relieveci by it, and it
gave them every satis!action. lie woutd further re-
mind the house that a CereMittee of Han curable
Members set en this question, -u.nd that Committee re-
nominendel a just and uniform system of valuation all
over Ireland, to bo taken under the cognizance of some
/.aepectable effiser, and not under the authority of the
ror-lew Guardians. The present measure was there-
fore the carrying out'of that report, and he therefore
. heartilY sueported it.
Sir D. NORREYS said the Hon. Member had forgot
to state, thet in 1846 a Bill was introduced and passed
in consequence of the recommendation of that Com-
mittee, and which hod proved a complete failure. The
present measure was an itttempato remedy the evils en-
tailed by that measure, but as it was changed the whole
of the system of valuation in Ireland, he would impress
upon the Noble Lord, the Secretary for Ireland, the pro-
PrictY of not proceeding with it this session, as hut few
Irish MereberS could he present to join in the discussion
of it. Re mentioned that the average scale of prices
Proposed to be taken by the measure for the purposes of
Valuation, was too low.
Lord NAAS explained that the scale of agricultural
Prices was taken from the return of the prices of such
Produce at 40 markets for the last three years, which
gave the average prices o' 6,000 markets.
Sir DENIIA.M NORREYS maintained that the
average prices taken were below what these returns
Showe, and, as a proof that they were by fir too low,
Mr. Gria,h, the officer, who took the scale of valuation
Prices in 1846, had stated, that his scale was 25 per cent.
below the average prices, but the scale of prices now
taken was 25 per cent. below his.
Mr. NAPIER said that the measure heel been intro-
duced last session of Parliament by the late Government,
but from the late period of the session at which it was
introduced, it was found necessary to postpone it.
During the progress that Bill made, some objections
had been made to it, and the great object had been in
framing the present measure to übviwe those objections.
The objectims which had now been raised did not at
all affect the principle of the measure, and he thought,
therefore, that the better time for arguing them would
have been when the measure went into Committee—
. hear.) The first objection was, as to the ex.
pence. Now, the great portion of that expense was
incurred in consequence of appeals, while the greater
number of those appeals were not followed out. In Tip-
perary, the expenses of appeals amounted to about 2ad.
per acre, but out of 533 appeals lodged there for the
-December sessions, only 12 were persisted in, and only
three trifling alterations were made. These appeals
having been made, the valuation had to be assessed, so
that all the expense of that was thrown away by the ap-
Peals not being persisted in. That expense was, how-
ever, got rid of by the present Bill, which was founded
on the principle of a uniform valuation for the whole of
Ireland, under the tenement system, taken so far as lands
Were concerned, on a scale of agricultural prices, averag-
ing from 14 years to 14 years. That he conceived to be
the fairest system that could be adopted; and, while in
Committee, the Government would bs ready to listen to
any suggestions. He hoped the House would now con-
tient to the Bill being read a second time.
14. S. CRAWFORD said that this was the best
valuation Bill ever introduced to that house, and if
In there were objections in detail, they could be disposed of
o
Cmmittee. One of the advantages of this Bill was,
"it went upon one uniform principle. He begged to
eXpress a hope, that it was still the intention of the Go-
vernment to bring in a Bill to settle the question of
averages in reference to agricultural prices.
aanienel RA.WDON supported the amendment, as be
, feesotztlerea the
period at which the Bill was brought
Irrel "4- not being an opportune one. Members for
bei and were likely soon to leave for Ireland, and this
leg sch he thought it would not be fair to those Hun.
zrers to proceed with this Bill in their absence.
th VVIII-PESIDE Esaid that the Emse was asked in
les month of May to abdicate its functions, becauae Hon.
feenibers for Ireland were about to leave this country
Tor Ireland. The Bill was good and sensible—under it
the valuation of land would be made at three farthings
an acre, whereas the valuation cost 4d. an acre. Nu
Valid objection had been urged against the Bill.
Mr. GROGAN supported the Bill, and suggested that
it could be quickly got through at a morning sitting.
„.Captain JONES objected to morning sittings of the
alatiuse, at which he thought a great deal of bad Leeis-
Stare took place. He suggested that the Bill should be
sent to Select Committee.
Sir J. YOUNG was favourable to the Bill, and sug-
gested that it should be persevered in.
hir. V. SCULLY objected to hasty legislation in re-
gard to the question involved in the measure before the
liouse. He contended that this Bill had a political as-
pect, and he believed it would have the effect, if its de-
tails were carried out, of disfranchising thousands of
:6,terc He objected to fixing the rate of valuation upon
u higher average than was warranted by the facts of the
Case; and he contended the valuation under the poor-
rate ;
rrdiciple was not a just one. There was, howee er,
much in the Bill, and ho should, therefore, suggest at
ith. he referred to a Select Committee, in order to its being
"'me a complete measure.
ILord NAAS was glad to hear that there was, in fact,
i 4) real objection to the principle of the Bill before the
e()!Ilo• If the arguments of his two Hon. Friends op-
Vat) were to have effect, it would amount to this, that
frve?' should not attempt to have a uniform legislation in
the and.—(gear) He was not pledged to the dstaile of
acute; and if it could be shown that the clauses
Buddh e advantageously amended, be should not object.
aible e thought it right to say that he intended, if pos-
.
A tter tO carry the Bill that session.
s' few words from Mr. CLEMENTS,
The fi
°use divided, when there appeared—
For the second reading 89
Against it • 6
Alaiorit • —B3
PATENT Y
On the Order of the day for reading this Bill a second
her. cove..
Acct t 'w eeN suggested that it should be referred to
sure ee-
Committee. Amongst other results of the mea-
tett, , the prerogative of the Crown would be much in-
ecuerei with. By the 17th section certain official per-
ao,,ges were to be appointed commissioners for the pur-
Lr of administering the law. The duty of these cora-
."tioners Would be to appoint an examiner or exami-
+hers te
ref whom every application for a patent should be
erred. Ile wished to know was it wise that such an
tensity Power should be referred to any subjectano
valtter What his
position? He objected, also to the
r: I because it would transfer from the Courts of Scot-
cenada—eand Ireland also—to Westminster Hall, all pro-
ceedings arising out of letters patent. The Bill Further
Proposed to extend, by a series of payments, the law of
ftiteats to the three kingdoms, as well as the Channel
he ,31,_dta but omitted the colonies. On all these grounds
thought it would be better to defer the consideration
of the Bill to the next session.
Mr. WAKLEY said that great evils resulted from the
Frest.nt system, and, therefore, there ought to be an
alteration in the law. He was in favour of sending the
sill to a Select Committee, and having practical men
ezanained•—(Hear, hear.) The class of witnesses exa-
mined before the Committee of the Lords was not such
as could gi've the most valuable information. It. seemed
to him that the patent laws should be assimilated to the
principle of copyright. It should make no matter whe-
ther a man impressed the image of his mind on iron,
wood, or paper; in either ease,invention should be
protected. In Prance, Belgium, and the United States,
a man could secure protectionfor less than 101.; why
should not the same ba the case in this country?—(Hear.)
Mr. BROTHER TON thought that sending this Bill
to a Select Committee would have the effect of post-
poning it to another session. He had been assured by
several influential constituents that they approved of the
was Prepared
8111, and he, therefore,
to support the se-
cond reading.—(Hear.)
Mr. J. STUART should say that his view did not at
all correspond with that of the Ron. Member for Fins-
bury (Mr,Wakley), in assimilating- this law with that
eoiffiee')iPeynrtiigy vestig
hita.The subject, however, had not been.
u • ated. He was not prepared to abro-
of this country; and it struck him
gate the patent law
that, between the present state of the law and the ex-
treme
iHnteerrmedr.iastetu.aproti)ntspavvrthicicoh.
remedy pointed out by the Hon. Member for
Finsbury,a there were many
eelht well be considered.
°f which
objected to the 27th clause of the Bill, the effect
1 ll rewards for discoveries
"1 Which would be to Win- a Right Hon. Friend (Mr,
ilade• He implored of hi?_
Henley) not to press through wifh this Bill in the pre-
sent might be as fruitful
or session If he did, the result .
and in cense-
a anOYELIICO as the amended law tn the ease of wills,
Which was also hurried through with,
gen" of which the cleverest lawyers in theo weg. re
e
three ifficulty as regarded the construction
fore hoped would nolit resist
113qui his-Right lion. Friend wou
rY„ahY a Select Committee.
knowv• ENLEY said, it
Bill as was
beee-G puiSt this was substantially Ithe same
was right the House should
r- eoth
House of Lords,
received Rouses of Parliament in the last session. It
Where a }4o careful consideratioo.of the
The Biligtrhe_at deal of evidence had been taken last
Was ttgai came down to the year.
the seasill sent back to the Lords; and, he
House of Commons,
ad of
having 4,0(11 had lasted a few days longer, i"te
be
ho u lci s,n ifd
the law of xi with the measure just nOW, it would
the 27th el (3 land.--(Hear.) With the exception of
id °ll of thetr
Gentle re was not a single clause or prronvoid-
s against which the Hon. and Lea
the goon
and
urged an objection. On the contrary,
Rouse
with
Learned Gentleman had amused the
but , a long dissertation on the subject of wills,
except and patents had to do with each other,
ordeleaeateboth subjects happened to stand upon the
et a local' for to-night, ho (Mr. Henley) was utterly
the tz_ to comprehend.—(llear hear.) Certainly
/mate's; udiourable Gentleman had dwelt at much
thou length upon the question of the law of wills
Holt uP°7l the measure more immediately before the
cer sa•--(llear he ) S fr as the 27th clause was con-
, rued' ho ar. o a
lt had referencewever, he was perfectly ready to admit that
might
be to a matter of the greatest difficulty. It
Pro that this clause was not framed in the most
Put into but as to whether it could be amended and
eri improved sitar, or whether it should be de-
privedth__of its retrospective effect, and made prospective,
e(719 Were questions rather for the House to consider in
adz!: lt.t He was quite ready to take any reasonable
hue
unTort into consideration; at the same timeit should
!lathed that the subject was oue which must be
de with in some way or other.—(Hear.) The Hon.
4aelnaheie for Edinburgh (Mr.
theftCoan) had stated that the
the; .11 was an invasion of Queen's prerogative;
her In the event of the Commissioners appointed by
Majesty doing certain thinu3gsl', it would be." (41:.
,14°I1 of the Queen'
attettleye, e 8. prerogative. That, to him 0711
however, aid not appear to be a very logical