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London, England, 1852-04-02 00:00:00

FRIDAY EVENING, APRIL 1852:

FOREIGN REFUGEES.
Mr. M. MILNES. 111,11 rose to move a resolution to
the effect, that this Reuse has observed with regret, in
the correspondence respecting foreign relugei.s laid upon
the table, a menace, on the part of a friendly power, to
visit, upon unotrending British travellers, its displeaeure
at that exercise et the right of asylum which is
agreeable to the laws, •he customs, and the feelings
of the people of Great Britain, and which, in recent
times, has afforded refuge and security to persons of va-
rious na, ions without soy distinction of politica opinions.
He said this was a very important question, and one
upon which it was expedi.tit that the opinion of the
Bette should be taken. The recent convulsions in
Europe had driven many refugees from all parts of
Europe to this country, and while here they had formed
toecieties to alter or revolutionise the governments e f the
countries to which they belonged. About this time
there arrived a very remarkable man—no other, indeed,
than liossuth—snd in order to prevent his being given
up to the Austrian Government this country sent out a
fleet to the Dardabelles. Whea he arrived here many
demonstrations of a spentansioua character took
place in hie favour, which net with no eucouragemeet
either ut the hands of the Government or the aristocracy.
Nevertheless, there were certain foreign powers 'shiers
took offence at cheee demonstratiens, and they demanded
the expulsion of those exiled poliiciene who had token
refuge in this country, justifying their demand by
pointing to a request which the Britieh Government, at
a former period, made upon the Presideut and Republic
of America to daseount.nanue agitation in America
upon the subject of Ireland. There was, however,
no comparison between the two cases, for, at the
time the request was made upon America, Ireland
was in a state bordering upon rebellion, which was not
the case abroad; and Lord Granville returned an answer
to the demand of Austria, statieg that it could not be
complied with. Tho Austrian Government, however,
declined to accept the refusal, and repeated their previous
demand, or insisted that something should be done to
restrain the violence and re.trict the combinations of re.
fugees in this country. To this latter demand a reply was
made on the part of the Foreign-office that the threats of
Austria to throw obstacles in the way of English travel.
lers would not induce the British Government to violate
the legitimate hospitality of the country, and he thought
this was a reply conceived in a proper spirit. It was a
petty course for a foreign power to resort to the trum-
pery annoyance of individuals as a retaliation upon the
British Government for refusing an unjust act,
and he wished to express an opinion to that
effect. It might be said that since the new
Administration had come into office the whole as-
pect of this question had undergone a change, and in a
recent dispatch from Austria, the acoession of Lord
Derby to power was hailed with joy. Now he inferred
tram that circumstance the conclusion that Austria la-
boured under a belief that the foreigu policy of the
country was about to be changed,. and he wished the
House now emphatically to denounce that to be a
mistaken idea.—(Hear, hear.) At all events,
he was confident that neither Parliament nor
the people would sanction any change of policy, and it
was therefore nothing but right that the Austrian Go,
vernment should be undeceived in the erroneous impres.
loon under which it appeared to labour.—(Hear.) It
the security of the British traveller was to depend upon
the understanding that the British nation should truckle
to Austria, fee better would it be that British rubjeute
should abstain from travelling in Au.tria at all;
but he hoped when Austria came calmly to
reconsider the nature of their demaede they would a;
once see their impropriety, and consent to withdraw
theta—(llpar, hear.) Phu right to travel was secured
to the British enbject by the law of nations; and who!,
he remernhered that few people interfered less wi.h the
internal affairs of the countriee which they visited thee
the English traveller, he could not help feelitt that it was
the duty of the H tuse to take care that the right was not
unfairly interfered with. Had there been bey excuse
for the-e demands male by Austria, on the ground the!
some British subj!cts had wantonly and improperly
intermiddled and mixed themselves up with the internal
affairs of Austria, he could have well understood the
of this demand; but in the absence of any
excuse of this sort, the threatened interference with the
movements of British travellers was, to say the least,
uncslled for, if not unjust.—(Hear.) All English travel-
lers were held out as objects of suspicion to the police
by the Austrian Government. From his knowledge of
the country he knew that no such proceedings would
have taken place but for the suspicion of the Go•
v.-rnment of Austria, for there were not a more
kind, gentle, and arniuble people than the inha-
bitants of Southern G-rmany. The grievances of
which the Austrian Government complained, and
against which they adopted their) measures of retains-
' tion and surprise, were nothing more nor less than the
exercise of the right of asylum. This right of asylum
was dear to the hearts of the English people from
its connexion with some of the moat important persons
in history. The edict of Nantes, andethe consequent
arrival of refugees in this country, led to the establish-
ment of the silk manufacture in Spitalfields, which had
since become one of our staple commodities. There
were also, perhaps, some of the most eminent man
in the country who had reason to be grateful for the
hospitality of England. Again, the asylum which
we hat afforded to refugees at the time of the French
revolution could not soon be forget.en by the people of
France. Lis therefore con-eived that every
Englishman would treat with contempt the effort made
by a foreign power to destroy the glorious privilege which
had always been our boast. At present a foreigner
passed unnoticed in the streets of the metropolis, bat if
he were f Mowed about sad watched by spies, he would
at once become an object of interest and notoriety.
He telt convinced that if some measures were not
taken by the House on this subject, there would be a
general belief that the Government had sanctioned
or approved of the despatches which had been
passed between Prince Schwartxenberg and Lord
Palmerston. If the Government allowed themselves
to be dictated to by Austria there was no reason
why other powers should not also call for the expulsion
of recugeeis belonging to their natione. Ile solemnly
warned the Government pokiest making any promises
which were against the general wish of the country,
end which, if pressed, would put an end to the inde-
pendence of England. Tho Hon. Gentleman concluded
by merit g his resolution.
Lord DUDLEY SFUABT, in seconding the motion, said
that he could not help congratulating her Majesty's Minis-
ters upon the revelations containe in the papers laid upon
the table. The present Government, who
had lately come
into power, were by their own confession in a minority in
that House, and it was extremely doubtful whether they i
were not also in a minority n the House of Lords; and yet
they were afraid of making an ripped to the people of this
country.—(Cheers.) Sooner than du that, the Noble Lord
at the head of the Government did not shrink from violating
an assurance which be had given in his place in Parliament,
and backing out of his engageinent. -•(lerud cries of " Oh,"
and " Question.") No, they did not like to be told that;
bat he would maintain thst he was speaking to the ques-
tion, and that his observation had grown immediately out of
the papers upon the table of the House. Although the Go-
vernment was in such a pesition, they had the consolation
of ku ,wing that, whatever the neople and Parliament of
this count ry might think of their conduct, Prince Schwertaen-
berg and the Austrian Government had hailed their advent
to power with genuine satisfaction.--( Hear, heat.) If the
state of Europe was not very satisfactory to the lovers
of liberty--if liberty had been expelled from almost,
every European ceuntry, and had taken root and
11 unshed only in England—they who loved lib icy and
wished for the welfare of mankind had at least the comfort
of seeing that the despots who trampled upon freedom were
very uncomfortable en their thrones. They had upon their
side their forces by land and sea, and tribunals that were
ready to couderun all freemen ; and against them, they had a
few humble refugees in a distant country. For them there
was power and bayonets ; and against them was Kossuth
and liberty of speech.—(l-lear, hear.) The papers that were
hid upon the table showed that the different foreign Go-
vernmeuts had attempted to establish the fact that there was
amongst the refugees taking shelter in this country from
their tyranny a general conspiracy. But let any man read
those papers with calm and dispassionate mind—let him go
terough the story that was told by Count Walewski—and
what would he find? Lie would fital an account of some per-
sons forming themselves into a society for promoting liberal
principles; he would find an account of some attempts made to
write in secret characters on the borders of newspapers, and
of means taken for procuring the admission of revolutionary
songs in foreign countries; and other miserable trifles of
that sort. But as to a conspiracy dangerous to the Govern-
ments of Europe, he maintained that there was a total fail-
ure of all proof. But he wouhl tell the House what eon.
spiracy was proved by these dispatches. It was proved that
there was a conspiracy among all the crowned heads and
despots of Europe to frighten this country, if possible, into
introducing some new laws to control the refugees, and to
deprive them of that asylum which they had obtained here.
They woule find all the Governments simultaneously, and
many of them in the same words, addressing our Cabinet,
and pressing upon it that something should be done. There
were Itussia, Prussia, Austria, the Diet of Frankfort, then
that kine celebrated fur his humanity in his own dominions,
the King of Naples; next, the Grand Duke of Modeua ;
then, the Pope; and besides these another ruling thing,
" which acts and speaks, in all but deeds a king." Louis
Napoleon—he who was himself shortly ago aerefugee—by the
intervention of another refugee (Count Walewski), demanded
that we should withdraw our hospitality from these men. Not
long ago Count Walewski was himself nothing more than a Po-
lish refugee in this country. First of all he came here as an
envoy of the national Government of Poland, and anbse-
quently he lived in this country as a Polish refugee; and now
he came forward, with a list of Polish and other refugees,
and called upon the English Government to belie all its an-
tecedents, and, by introducing some Alien Bill, to interfere
with those unfortunate men, many of them his own country-
men.—(Hear, hear.) And now they were told, and in a
certain sense properly and rightly told, that refugees ought
not to abuse the hospitality which had been afforded them,
in order to disturb the tranquillity
.of their own country.
Why, who ever violated so flagrantly the hospitality of this
country fur that very purpose--who ever committed that
culpable action so openly and so shamefully as Louis Napoleen
himself had done ?—( Hear, hear, and cheers ) Tank of Kn..
suth's speeches—talk of secret meetings of the Republicans
talk of writing on the edges of newspapers, and concealing
it with ashes—what were all these, and such like things
c•impared with the conduct of Louis Napoleon, who nue;
came forward with his demands against the refugee,s?
l
Qui ulerit Gracchos de seditione guerentes "
The revelations contained in the papers upon the tablei. were
such as to justify an observation made !sag
ament
ar by a distinguished statesman; which he
DP was glad to have sa opportunity of quoting in tha.t. louse.
Stuart)i
ifln all times and
These were the words of Lard Rolland—ii
according to the testimony of all history,
oppressive, or treacherous anything mean,ever there was
Austria was the Government to do it." ()"
tin be Beene,
upon by Lord Liverpool to retract this And when caled
Holland not only refused to do so, but herepeoabtseedrywahuaotn.
said, and added that there neve; w Lord
had
had difirlAyed more meanness, as a Governmere which
subtlety, or treachery, than
the Austrian Government. That" was the character given by
Lord Holland of the Austrian GE
ilvsetr m
Stuart)ut thirty years ago ;
and he (Lord oudley
sayuethat it bad not lost
that character since.--(flear, hear.) 'lt was curious to see
the amount of impudeuce which aGovernment like that of
In one of
Austria exhibited. I the dispstehes addressed by
feints Schwarzentierg to Lord Malmesbury, the Austrian
Minister, referring to the statement of Lord Derby—that it
would be the policy of his Government to observe a mode-
rate demeanour, scrupulously to maintain treaties, and to
reCta. 1/3 4ightit" deGreqUe ilAcciagge dutioih

with the arid Austral had paesal e.,- e, and ili it there were hopes that
opinions. Lead alulinesbury replied that it was
great or smell—expressed his entire setisfaction with th ones asmuch as whatever difficulties exited between that country
most unfeigned pleasure that her Majesty's Government
.hail matters would be pi .e. tin the same friendly and amicable
the' the accession or Lord Deibv to pew, r ; for it the lion. Gen-
to the opini MS of the First Minister of the Crown. New, to say that the most genuine satisfaction was expressed e
one of the principles avowed by the Earl of Derby
maintenance of all treaties, and Austria subscribed
and Austrian Government deemed satisfactory was the line of
principle—Austria, the most faithless power in Europe,
wthastilat Cern n looked at the ifiepa;ch lie would find that what the
which had given most just reason of complaint of late years ; policy
in this respect.—( Hear, hear.) He was not now ape ,king I d
Austria, and it was that which it stated was incalculated
anotherwh ie h t the N
place. opt 1 e
w a Los d had shadowed
thatw
hicb had
given
satisfaction
of the inhumanity of Austria, or of the way in which she
persecuted refugees, driving them out of her own territories, tboetrweemeonvietathet
and pursuing them into other countries for the purpose of Ideatshainateefededltin4. that had existed
Prince
ariaunaPn
wThe Cabinet of which he is the head, the Premier said,
thathaa so
dispatch long
having them put to death. But for Austria to talk of the Sc,h. arzenberg observed :
faith of treaties! - Why, did the House recollect that it
was only a few years since her Majesty, in a speech from is penetratedthinks that in order to attain this object there
with the necessity of maintaining universal
the throne, was compelled to speak of certain proceedings
on the :,art of Austria, Russia, and Prussia by name as a iPse'ilicoe. Hebetter means than i o aeoet towards all foreign powe a
menitest violation of treaties? Here was no dispatch from a calm and moderate demeanour, scrupulously to maintain
and to respect in the highest degree the indo-
or First Minister of the Crown, no expression of parry treaties,
or particular
to te • own convictions their internal
according their opinion, but there was the deliberate asser- pendence of
of the Sovereign of this country in Parliament to manage
tion all nations, great or small, and their right
a or in the policy
foundation of the Surely there was .
upon record, that Austria had committed a flagrant violetiou affairs."
of the treaty of Vienna, which was the
public law of Europe, and in virtue of which Austriaholds w iicti shadowed
lot at the dispatch of
This was the country or feel ashamed of. And when he
a great part of her own dominions,
hurt. in answer to that communication,
l - it out, which that country ought to regret
I be could not help referring to .
tah,aitfsbcame forward to cant about the faith of treaties, the Earl of Malmes . , .
nowe
had not. violated treaties with this and other cowl- there was one sentence
leihr i
ebur said :
tries, to say nothing of her conduct towards the Hung whin& In that dispatch
steamily
,
(Hear, hear.) Now her complaints were that we afforded '• Keeping steeri in view
th sacred ri,,ht, of according hespi-
ort to some unfortunate men who fled maientainingt
shelter and suet)
e
whom ntisfertuties or political offences
from her vengeance and sought an asylum in this country, t a towardsity t isetiethoseY principles and intentions
el hy, we too,
different nature. We did repressing as fur as the law and the constitution warrant any
' had complaints to make against Austria, may have banished from the r native land; descouraging and
though they were complaints of a
not comp
foment disturbance in their own
maltreated the they enjoy, by seeking to
complain of Austria giving shelter to persons who had attempt on the part of such exiles to abuse the hospitality
offended us ; but we. complained that she
subjects of Queen Vie . (
' loutrage was corn- straining that law beyond its legitimate bounds, but visiting
Victoria,—( Hear, hear.) It was only country; restrained by the highest obligations of duty from
lately that a most nefarieui and brute
in
~
with exemplary punishment those who may violate the law ;
tria, for which no redress had yet been afforded.
mitted on a British eubiect by a person the sersTicheeofakoduss;
her eiajesty's Government feel assursd that they shall have
difficulty in reconciling their duty as Ministers
who was struck down by three Au .
Austrian officers in of a constitutional.
was acquainted with to e case of Mr. Mather, an unoffeuding no
man,
maltreated that
open day, and who was so seriously
e
was long in danger. Representations were addressed to the sentiments of sincere friendship with which they are actuated
Austrian Commander.in-Chief in Italy, but these officers towards the Court of Vienna."
the -Ithought there some ground for satisfaction in the
d and circumstance of the amicable relations between that country
remained uninterfered with, and were still walking about I e
streets of the town where the outrage was
reprimand,perpetrate,
and foreign states being restored. Efforts with that object
none of them had been made to undergo any
military ex-
had been going on during the existence of the late Govern-
authoritiescept one of them, who was called to task by the.
meat, and had been continued by the present Govern-
insteadno mark ment.— (Hear, hear.) Now, with regard to the question
of cutting him down with his sword. But
because he had struck Mr. Mather with his fist
British ' In 1 48when d'
' pp bation had ever been shown towards the other of passports, he. must observe that those were not passports
be doe in this case. turbances were rife in various parts of the continent, the
eoffeaceisraw—hroo struck Mr. Mather. with his sword. He (Lord D. such as were given tosubjects. 8 , tag
Stuart) hoped that something would
They all knew that Austria ruled in Tuscany; that she had in British consuls abroad were in the habit of giving passports
fact taken possession of Tuscany ; and therefore it was all non- to persona not British subjects, and in some cakes that
sense to say that the outrage had been committed in the privilege had been abused. It was against that abuse that
Tuscan territory, and that Austria could not afford redress, the foreign Governments protested. The regulations with
He knew that he was borne out by facts in what he had stated regard to British Foreign-office passports were, as the House
with regard to this case, and it was an entire mistake to sup- must be aware, very stringent. They were only given to
pose that the Austrian officers had offered Mr. Mather any British subjects or foreigners naturalised, and the parties
reparation. He (Lord D. Stuart) was glad to have the op- must either be known to the Secretary of State, or to some
port unity of contradicting that statement, although it had person known to him, or upon the written application of a
been asserted by a Noble Earl (Lord Granville) lately at the banking firm. It was with regard to the former pass-
head of the Foreign-office that it had been intimated to Mr. ports that exception was taken by the Austrian Govern-
Mather
that if he would make some explanation to the sent.— Hear, The question now was, how would the -
Austrian officers they would make an apology to Mai for House deal with the present question ? The Noble Lord who
their conduct. He (Lord Dudley Stuart) contradicted that seconded the motion said that it meant merely that " this
assertion, and said that no such offer had been made. It House his observed with regret, in the correspondence
teemed to him that the only satisfactory reparation would be respecting foreign refugees laid upon the table, a menace,
the signal punishment of the men who committed that on the part of a friendly power, to visit, upon unoffending
frightful outrage. Mr. Mather wanted no advantage for British travellers, its displeasure at that exercise of the
hitnself, but the people of this country deserved and ought to right of asylum which is the agreeable to
ea ,
demand the punishment of those men. It was said that, Sc- and the feelings of the people of Grt B lawritaisnthe , andcustoms, which, • .
cording to the rules of the Austrian army, it was expected in recent times, has afforded refuge and security to persons
that an officer should immediately put to death any man of various nations without any distinction of olitical , -
who interfered with his troops, whether intentionally or not. opinions. Now the present Government was as deteprmined
But we had nothing to do with such a regulation of the to maintain the right of asylum as any other government
Austrian army, and he thought that we ought to call upon that ever existed.-(Hear, hear.) Seeing that both the last
the Austrian authorities to alter their regulations, and, if and the present Government had expressed their deterrui- g
that should be thought too strong a proceeding, let us call nation to maintain the independence and dignity of the • a.;
on them at least for a modification of their rules, so that country—seeing that upon the que: tion of foreign refugees .
.11
innocent British travellers, when they met with Austrian the present Government was resolved to uphold ,bat right
officers, should not be cut down and have their blued shed as well as the Government that preceded it—seeing that
without any reparation.—(Hear, hear.) The Austrian these foreign powers were upon terms of more
and Russian Governments complained that a reply to amicable relations
.with agland than they were at e
their demands had been given which was not satisfactory, no very - distant period, be put it to the House '
because, in fact, the answer had been, that the British and to the Honourable Gentleman whether it would .a,
Government would do everything that it could do by law to be expedient or wise to pass a resolution in the House of '
prevent the refugees thirn plotting against the countries to Commons, which, at least, naust give the impression to tae
which they belonged, but that they could not go beyond the minds of foreign nations of something like a censure and
law Count Neaselrode thought that very hard, and said reflection upon their conduct. He -.thought there was no
that our laws were only a municipal arrangement, and that ground for the resolution—( he wanted something more than the laws could give him. the lion. Gentleman who moved it or of the Noble Lord who o .
Hear)-eeither in. the speech of
He (Lord D Stuart) trusted that it would be long before the seconded it, and he submitted, ther6tor& that it' ought not . f.,
Parliament of Great Britain should be induced to alter the to he acceded (oh-if-lean hear.) The Government wee de-
laws in order to satisfy the convenience of any foreign terinined to maintain the right of asylum of foreign refugees
state.—(Hear, hear, and cheers ) Count Nesselrode did not —to uphold the law in its strictest integrity, and net to
seem to know the difference between this country and Austria allow any refugee to abuse the hospitality which he trusted
and Russia. With them, suspicion was enough; but here, would be extended to all, whatever opinions, whether mo-
thank God, no man could be punished unless be was pro- narchical or democratic, they might eutertein.—(Cheers.)
perly tried according to the laws, and unless he were found Mr. ANSTEY said it was clear frotn the tone taken by
by satisfactory evidence to have been guilty of some offence. the Russian Government in its dispatches, that it wished
Jr any foreigner in this country should give any cause of them to establish the system of surveillance and espionage
with some suspicion upon the declarations that had been
,since, try him, find him guilty, and punish him; but do which prevailed hi some parts of the continent. He looked
not let us have new laws dictated to us by the Ministers of
forrien countries —(Hear, hear, and cheers) He did not know made by her Majesty's
whether the Government intended to a present advieers es regarded their
gree to this motion. good inteations upon that question. In the month ef
lie Most heartily heped that they-would, because he thought October last a menace was held out, and in the month of
it would be a very proper rebuke to those countries which January following three Scottish ministers of the Free
had attempted so unjustifiably to interfere with us. He Church, wbo were settled since 1841 in Hungary. in the
thought that her Majesty's Government might perfectly well city of Pesth, having, according to the Hangarian laws,
agree to the motion, and he was more inclined to hope that the rights of naturalised subjects, received from the
they would do so, because he was quite aware, and was very Austriati Government notice to quit that city. No explana-
glad to acknowledge, that the Right Hon. Gentleman oppo- tion of that unwarrantable act was iven, ut they avere
site and the Noble Earl at the head of the Government, told they must quit it in six days,
or g
ib f not they would be
though they certainly had no sympathy with the political forcibly expelled. Lord Granville had promised to obtain
principles of those persons who had taken refuge in England, satisfaction, and communications were made through the
were yet not without sympathy for their misfortunes, and Earl of Westmorland, and after sorne considerable delay
had shown that sympathy during the brief period they had an answer was returned, which was stated to be of such a
been in office, by agreeing to furnish some of the refugees character that it could not be laid on the table of the
with means to relieve them from the distress which would, House He concluded from that, that redress had been re-
otherwise have overwhelmed them.—(Hear, hear.) lie, fused. Another application had been made, and up to the
therefore, hoped that the Government would agree to the present time not a syllable had tianspired in reply; yet
extremely temperate resolution of his lion. Friend, which Lord Malmesbury had the face to tell them that on all
only expressed regret that anything like a menace should be points a good understanding reigned between the two •
offered by any foreign Gwernrnant, and in that regret he Governments. He concluded from this that the Noble Lord
was quite sure that Hon. Gentlemen opposite would partici. had given up the Ssh gymen. Again, the French
pate. The best answer that Lord Derby could give to these Minister called uponcotti the Briclertish Government in the month
foreign Governments who pressed upon hint to introduce a of October last to put down the overt acts of incorrigible
new Alien Bill would be, that be could not comply with the conspirators against the liberties of Preece; and upon the
request, for that any attempt to do so would be (to use a 2d of December following, the person by whom that dispatch
homely phrase) as much as his place was worth.—(Cheers.) had been dictated became himself one of the most incorri-
The question having been put,
gible conspirators against the liberties of the French
Mr. WALI'OLE thought he would best consult the con- People, Ile did not think that Russia was satisfied with the
venienee of the House by avoiding all inflammable topics conduct of the Government, or that it would be induced to
that did not relate to the proposition before the House. He relax its restrictive policy, The Learned Member proceeded
was the more anxious to do so since, in the inevitable ab- to urge that we were not on good terms with Prussia, or
sence of his Right Hon. Friend the Chancellor of the Ex. with the German Confederation ; and as to the Grand Duke
chequer, the duty of speaking on a question foreign to his of Modena, the Italian Princes, and the Pope, if British sub-
( Hear, hear. ) He jects suffered no annoyance in their several state., it would
department was thrown upon him.—
had read over carefully all the dispatches which had been be owing to something which had occurred since Lord Gran-
laid on the table of the House, and had also listened with villa had treated with proper contempt the communication
gnat attention to the observations of the Hon. Mover, as received from the Pope and the Grand Duke. The question
also those °fete Noble Lord who seeonded the motion, and then would be, whether any other communications had •
passed between Lord Malmeebury and the continental Go-
be
he should say he was at a loss to understand how blame could
imputed to the present or late Administration Because, vernments beyond what appearell uon the papers presented .'
on a careful perusal of those papers, the fair inference to be to Parliament, and which he deemPed far from satisfactory. t
drawn from them was, that this resolution should not be Then, with respect to passports. B the custom of nations
pressed to a division, considering the circumstances under the right of entry
which this country was placed with respect and passage in fyoreign countries was a
to foreign customary right generally acknowledged, and Governments e
powers. He thought there were three inferences dedu- only reserved to themselves four restrictions upon it : the
caste from these papers. First, that the conduct of the first was, ascertaining the names of those who exercised it: e
G ,vernment of this country - the late as well as the present the second was, the exclusion of suspicious characters: the
—had been such as to uphold and maintain the di of third was, the exclusion of
the country.—(Hear, hear.)
certain classes of foreigners or
Secondly, that the foreign specified individual ;• and the, fourth was the exclusion
powers somewhat misunderstood the laws and regulations such as attempted to enter territories with art armed force, or.
of this country with reference to foreign refugees, and that in greater numbers than compatible with their safety. The
naturally arose from the different laws which applied to Government of this country was bound to see that the
those countries as compared with England, the laws of rights of British subjects travelling abroad, which tkeY T-:'
England permitting every person to reside in this country, were entitled to exercise within these restrictions, within •
whether monarchist or reeublican, so long as they obeyed the limits thus stated, were not subjected to any greater ;
the law. The third inference was, that, considering the restrictions. If otherwise, and if this country permitted
misapprehensions which these foreign governments did such cases to pass Eta those which had occurred at Festh or
fall into %vett reference to the rights of refugees, and these at Lemberg, they would soon become cases quite common,
misapprehensions being now more or less removed by the and he considered that our present Foreign Secretary had
representations of the late Government, and seeing the allowed these cases to pass far too lightly. Ile therefore
conciliatoryy
tone adopted towards this country by those hoped that the Hots. Member who had brought forward thee
foreien Governments. it would be inexpedient by a resolu- motion would not be induced to withdraw it, but would press
lion of that House to provoke any feeling of dissatisfaction it to a division.
_:
be ween this country and foreign nations at the present Lord PALaIERSTON—Sir I think that my Hon. Friend
metnent.—(Hear, bear.) Now, with reference to the first the Member for Pontefract has done rightly in bringing un-
pieta, it was manifest that in the course of last autumn der the consideration of the House this question, which is of
the other powers of Europe viewed this question in a great importance as regards our own laws, as regards our
deferent light. On the 2ath of October, 1851, a dispatch international relations, and as regards the rights of Britieh
was received from the Prussian Government, which stated subjects abroad and the obligations of the British Govern-
that from the evidence contained in certain papers which merit at home.—(Hear, hear.) I think, Sir, that the Right
reached them, it was impossible to doubt the existence of a lion. Gentleman who has spoken for the Go g
Government on
refugee conspiracy in this country, and call on the Go- this occasion has not altogether embraced th vern
of
vernment of this country to interfere and put it down. The the argument of my lion. Friend far th h. e full scope
e Right Hun. Gene
observations contained in a dispatch received from the tleman addressed the greater part of h•
Wrench Government were nearly the same as those in the branch only of the argument of m II his observations to on
Prussian. Lord Granville stated the exact position of the Friend dwelt with great force y ° . Friend. My Hon.
law of this country in rep'y, as also the duty of this the duty which was incumbent upon" tWo points. One wat
country to admit refugees to an asylum, not interfering to afford protection to torei et the Britieh Government,
with them any more than with their own subjects, so lung duty incumbent on Governi ( aides, but also dwelt upon th
as they obeyed the law. It appeared subsequently, by a treyellers abroad.—(llee , rat te
afford protection to British
dispatch of the 3eth of December, lesl, that the Prussian (Mr. Walpole) seemed tur ear.) The Right Hon. Gentlemart
Minister was instructed not to press the matter further, but these points, and. Navin direct his remarks ter the first on
to let it drop. - ( Hear, hear.) On the 2eth of January, 1852, shown to the II g, at he conceived, satistacterilee
ouse thet the ' • ermine'
the French Minister wrote to say that he acted alone in the to maintain the rih see Government is determined
matter, and beyond that communication no future course of he thought he had t of affording hospitality to fereiingnert
aetion was painted out, Buoll alter that Lilt, Russian -ends- motion orris laid a sufficient ground for negativg tu
ter also took up a different tone. and in a dispatch dated the to the Y lion,
Friend. But be did not equally yexplain
26th of January, 1852, he observed that—House the determination of the Government to enforce
that protecti • travelling abroad, to
e For the present, without pursuing the controversy any which: -on British subjects
the country in which
further, we take note of the promise given to us by the Bri- th when not violating the laws of
and
fish Cabinet to etch the tnachinatietis of the political refu- e ey May
i , happen to be, they are sodistinctlypapers
which positively
leave
gees, and to employ all legal means in order to prevent thorn the (Hear.) Sir, as to the
the transactions which
from abusing the hospitality which they enjoy in England, e subject of discussion, and as toothat to
for the purpose of assailing countries and governments the they relate, I think it right to say. some allowance
friends and allies of Great Britain."ought. to be made fur the sensitive anxiety which some ot
The Russian Government had every confidence • the Governments on the continent expressed in the course
in the of proceedings of foreign refugees in this
reelisation of that promise. Out of the four 1 last year as to the powers only) We must remember that they have not
one seemed to have retained, up to that time, any fee' , country.—(Hear.
dissatisfaction towards the Government of England,expediency andof free dis-
miugs or the same notions of the . the right
re
was the Austrian Power. Ha believed that the and t.hat cussion and free action which fortunately belong to every r
in that dispatch had been somewhat misunderstood
man in this country.— (Hear.) They are apt to weee
upon the quiet answer gives by Earl Granville ehst°A; but, things rather by their own standard of what is practicable,
e.
repetition of that language was nut likely to , e thought a and what may be expedient at home. And placing ourselves,
last dispatch to Lord Granville, dated 27th occur. In the therefore, in their situation—which is the course you mutt
only twenty.four days after the former he February, 1852, pursue when you judge the conduct of others—(Hear)
always . a
ciliatory tone adopted : , found a more con-—you should not judge their conduct only by your ow
vr
tt Your Excellency will allow views, but endeavour to place yourselves in the point of vie
Austrian Cabinet has with me to renaind you that the in which they stand.--(llear, hear.) And taking that into
pleasure • ' hope from ''s
• ' ,• there is to be made for the
the expressions contained in that conceived the consideration,
document, that the British earnestness with which taeyquestion last year.
raised that _ b
Government would for the future
be able to prevent all at-
I have to offer. T eir
And there is another observation e. . .
tempts at insurrection a ain allied Go
ted
gst friendly and Yern- anxiety on that subject was mcreas d 13- the exaggera ,
ments, and that the avowal of such intention has already ideas they entertained as to the effect to arise frosts the Exhie
suficed to induce th. I ,i
mperlai Government to suspend for hitiop of the Industry of all Nations.—(llear, hear.) They
the greater part the restri ' sures which under con- • •
dthat there would come here a large congregation of
trary circumstances they"lv" Inea.
themeelves cote- imagined lia hi ne
would have seen
the disturbing elements ,of European society, and that
P to adopt iu the interest ut their subjects. lam happy,
England would become (I know not how or by what means)
moreover, to ack I t that. the different interviews one great focus or centre of revolutiouary emanation.--
n" '' ge - -
which I have had the honour to bold with your xce ency (Hear.) Now, Sir, not only were those representations made!
have left MO with the impression that the British Govern- which appear in these papers, but long before the date oft
Merit admits the importance of providing against the con- those communications, I had repeated conversations wi'el
tinuence of intrigues openly hostile to the state of the c,012- many foreign Ministers on that subject. I should, how'
lineal; and if the information which I have gathered has ever, first say, that the communication which was dated in
your Excellency will, during the transi- October from the Ambassador of the French Republic was
been accurate.
a ' of your Ministry, have within the very wholly distinct in its origin from any communications with
tory euratton
•
limits which the legislation of Great Britain the other powers, who inside representations in the Decease
restricted
• us
treacly devoted your meritorious attention her following) and was the result, of several couversetio
pr, scribes, a
ki,
object. I will even add, and I have
.not failed
to this • •
I had on former oecaeiotts with the Count Walewe
' value to this circumstance iu reporting to my in to give its
which I had stated that when the late Secretary for the
h
Court, that if the results have hitherto only feebly Home Department had stated in this House, that the Brit is
releinded to the disposition which has been evolved, this Government could do no more than the power of the lav'i
must be attributed to reasens entirely independent Of the in- enabled them to do; and that it wee idle to ask us to exPe
tentions of the British Cabinet and the will or your Excel- any
t sunset which his presence
foreigner on account i,
lency."
in this country might entail on ae3government
foreign _
There were four dispatches—cue from Prussia, one from 1 but that it was against our laws for any man, whether ag
France, one from Austria, and one from leuesia —all ' British subject or a foreigner, to levy war, or to take steps
Show.v.g that the views taken by these Governments with , maniteete.
y Mr the purpose of levying war, against
°wee
reference to lanelgn retugees last autumns were no longer friendly power—( dear he-,)—and that if it. could be eh gift,
entertained to that extent, and till, he believed the Govern- that any foreigner had violated that part of our law,
law so
merit had acted in a proper manner with regard to these Government would feel it their they to enforce thelawc
refugees. That was the state or things when the present far as the circumstances of the case and the evidence
result .
Government came into power, and he was therefore sotne.. enabled
Sr., ----0,),_
ghe ~..
them to de.—(llear, he 1 And ill
what surprised at the tone and language of the Hon Gen- was that the paper which is printed in this blue hoiea.4 hhe
tteman who had moved the resolution, and at his fleeing given to me rather as a confidential communicatio thantlng
fault with the dispatch addressed by Prince Schwarzenberg a formal note by the French Ambassador and
fications
to the Earl of Malmesbury. It appeared to him (Mr. %Val- (as the French _ Government thought) net:. .he
..A.-at liag va
plc) that the aliSaatct tau& be waidereil Wiet4Cto47. la. i gliowitai that there were perms hero ir.r• -
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existing law of the lame and as to whom the British ; asylum to retrugeeesbifieteiientg
Government might take steps. But it was not like other ! vulsions, ant, witt:lit
.3.5. d But that was not the whole case.
subsequent communications from the Governments of . turd that cop
Russia, Austria, and Prussia, or the Germanic Confedera- 1
' here, llitertehey used the protection of England AS a means of
not satisfied web merely seeking an asrlum
4.onireadthya tre)ff
tion—an 'application to- do more than the law would enable
f foreign 'Countries.. That was the • strong -point
the Goyerfineeot to do.—(Hear.) I think it righe and . just adep'.- inn acts of hostility against, and to disturb the tran-
to the French Government te explain the nature and intent q y
by
those
meet -as regarded foreigners.- But if any
of that communication. Now, Sir, when these represents- fallen:l..- ynhose foreign powers. Those were. the points which
Lions were made to me I - stated that the French Go- our. a
England;*he would be guilty. of treason or - sedition,
vernment had. at different times possessed powers foreigner or -Englishman were to be guilty of similar.ects
granted. by Alien Acts, but that these powers never against
against their own 'Governments. Teis was- an anomaly of
went to the object to which they wished the. action of sothat they were, in fact; carrying out sedition and treason
the British Government to be directed—(Hear, hear)—
that England took' care of her own tranquillity,
_aerial revare)r
cvesibircell..foreign Governments had a -right to complain.. die
J.
Welsh) was not prepared to :.enact laws to meet this
pretended to look after that of other countries—(H
—that they Weald look after their own interest, and th'itt the. case, but he was of opinion that there was a- stronger prima
pow.erriven by former' Alien Acts would be this—that the facie case on the part of foreign powers than Gentlemen op-
Government was enabled to send out of the 'country any posite .were ready to admit. There was a gross abuse of the
their
w
and -
foreigners whose presence in the country as .dangerous to hospitality of. this country on the part of. refugees,
this country, and detrimental to its internal tranquillity— sense of propriety ought to induce them to abstain-from acts
(Hear, hear)-,and • that it was in Tam for them t, ask us to , which involved the :chance of- penning ftiendly relatiorirr
do that which not only the present law, did not enable us to between their own Countries, and that which had given them:
. • •
do, but •to disenable us to do that ft.ir-which no further Act shelter. He had no sympathy with most. of those refugees
d no Parliament would who had done much- by their acts to put an end to Constitu
could be asked from Parliament,
and
I- took the liberty of tional monarchy all over Europe, and if this country afforded
tensest to give.— t
as great exaggeration them an asylum, it was not necessary also- to affurd them its.
stating, further, thitHleae.) thought But.th ere was
of the dangers which could -arise. to any foreign countirbyefrrennos sympathy -
... -
the pr • here of any foreign "refugees.. Sir,
"erre°
i - gr., V, SMITH concurred with the Right Hon- Gentleman
nothing, it- Begins tome, upon
can
effect
any
con- that if - .-
ti)
this subjecthad bretighto
Noble Lord (Palmersten),•-i
beyond fact as in the idea that refugees
siderable mischief hi the country from which they have to a satistactory close, it was unwise to revive it.— (Hear, -I
fled, Any, how are they to do it? By exciting discontent hear.) The motion of- the Hon.- Member for Pontefract.,
Thehowever, was intended to elicit, a i c• 1 0
through- letters or' other incentives to insurrection.
effect of a cause depends not only on the cause itself, but Government, and. he -(Mr. V. -Smith) desired to extract a
very much-
on the. condition of the thing on which that little more. What
he wanted to know was, whether,
camels to operate. Sir, a slight spark may blow up • a British subjects had-been- subjected to any additionalincon--
'
powder magazine; while a blazing torch will burn out venience in consequence of- non-compliance on the 'part •of
harmless on a turnpike-road.—(Cheers and laughter.) If our Government with the demands made . upon them ?
a country be in a state of internal or suppreaeed discontent, With regard -to the Austrian correspondence, he must say he
slight indication§ may augment it, and produce an explo- thought it rather an -unusual practice to cOni pliinent a new
eion ; but it the country be well governed, and if the people Government upon its accession to office. • Priuce Schwarzen- .
be satisfied and contented, little proclamations and commu- berg, however, seemed to think otherwise; and 'he (Mr.
nicationa which may be received from refugees will be as- V. Smith) supposed that "Dear Derby," and --not "Ce
harmless as waste paper.—(Hear, hear.) I endeavoured cher Aberdeen," would henceforward be the - formal -ex
with great deference to impress that idea on foreign Govern- preasion of that statesman when addressing dispatches to this
ments, who then represented that perhaps these refugees' •country.—(A laugh.
might send money ! Why, good heavens, Sir!—the money ' Mr. B. COCHRANE said that it appeared that the Aus-
which these unhappy refugees have, who are living in ' trian Government had only placed British travellers under
lodgings in back alleys, many of them even of the lowest ' the same regulations as those of other countries. ' He corn-
class, and can hardly pay for their subsistence—(Eleare hear) plained of the tone and language adopted by several Hon.
—is there any danger likely to arise to foreign Governments Members in the present debate, and contended that such a
from money sent by such persons?—(Hear, hear, and a manner of discussing foreign affairs was calculated to do
laugh.) Then, Sir, I was told, " See, here are notes issued serious injury to our relations with foreign powers. He con-
by Mazzini, for 50 francs each, in return for money depo- tended that the dispatch of the Austrian Minister, which
sited,- and to be repaid when an Italian Unitive Republic was said to contain a "menace," was written just after•a
shall be established."—(Laughter.) Why, Sir, I did not speech delivered by M.' Mazzini, in which he, spoke-" of •
think that danger from this source was very imminent.— establishing an organisation, to spread through England the •
(Hear, hear.) Then, again, it was said that a banker had facts-relating to the struggles and•sufferings of Italy, and so -
received. an application from some of those parties to open an that she might receive a moral assistance in those struggles."
account With•him. • But-Sir, up to that time not a- farthing .Aus:ria had' cause to be-alarmed, if she supposed sucn an
had been paid to that account. - (Laughter.) Then it' was- organisation 'was on foot. He thought that the conduct -of
said that if-money could not be sent arms might go. And no Englishmen to General Haynau, conduct which was atonce
doubt one did hear of some 200 muskets destined' for these cowardly and inhospitable,-was quite parallel with the con
purposee. But how are the refugees to • get- arms (in any duct of the Austrian troops in Tuscany.--(Hear, hear.) ,He
formidable quantity) unless they can get money ?—(Hear.), 'was astonished. -at this motion proceeding from his Hon,
And I do'not think that notes payable on such an eventuality Friend, -who had always beefi received most-hospitably at the as I have described are likely to send arms in quantities at Courts which he now - took upon himself to-attack. •• ' -
all considerable into foreign countries.—(Hear, hear, and a 'Sir H. VERNEY was understood to' say that the whole
laugh.) Besides, the arms are articles which it is ex- English nation ought to be grateful to the Noble Lord, the
tremely difficult to smuggle; and any country is, of course, Member for Tiverton, mainly in 'consequence of whose con- '
boand-to look after its own interests, and to give orders to - duct it was that the cases mentioned that evening, of in
prevent the arms from being imported—( Hear, hear.) juries and insults to British subjects abroad, were exceptions
Well, then, if their letters will not produce revolution ; if and not the rule. The Noble Lord was competent -above all
their money is not forthcoming; and if their arms are next men to give advice on such a subject as this; and be (Sir
to nothing, it is said they may send men. But the moment H. Verney) hoped that the lion. Member for Pontefract
any foreigner begins to enrol men in this country for the would act Lytle' the suggestion which had been offered him.
purpose of military occupations in another, we have a law to —(Hear, hear.)
prevent those practices.—(Hear.) Thev cannot be concealed; Air. HENLEY, after some preliminary observations,•said
you are enabled' by the law (a law which nu doubt the Go- he believed that any Government existwg in this country
vernment would execute) to put down such proceedings 'must always act upon the principle that British subjecta, in
against'a friendly p wer.—( Hear, hear.) And,- Sir, -I felt it• any part of -the world, must be carefully protected: The
my duty to point out to those foreign Governments that al- Noble'Lord (Lord Palmerston) had referred, in humourous'
though. it was not entirely unnatural, considering the dif- terms, to the Austrian dispatch, in which complimentary
ferent organilation of continental countries from ours; that -language was used in respect. to Lord Derby's Government;
they should-fed these apprehensions, that, besides our not but that dispatch must be reed iu reference to the declare-
being able to relieve them, there was not so much foundation tion of the 'present Government- as ,o their foreign policy,
for thenfturthey appeared to imagine; and that, however, and not in reference to thepreierence of the Austrian Go-
there- had been granted (as was stated in 1848) a consider- vernment of ,any one set of gentlemen over any' other 'set
able number of passports by the British consuls or diplomatic -of Gentlemen sitting as • Ministers.—(Hear.) As • regarded •
agents to persons not British subjects, I thought it was right the dispatch . upon which the Hun. Member for Pontefract
to do . so: -It was done in a time of great commotion in had laid so much stress, as conveying a menace, he ( Mr.-
.tie`inie; and the passports were given to persons of-all states Henley) considered that •it applied nut to British subjects
to Royalist§ of France, Republicans at Rome, and Hunga- -proper- - but to- persons travelling•abroad with English pass- -•
eians in the east of Europe ;to every man, in fact, who was ports; • and, so tar as he knew, he believed that no iucon-:
o.YiLlg. from imminent danger, and wishing to withdraw him- venience had. arisen to any one British subjeet in cense-
self from that country in which his presence might create quence•ot the intimation of the Austrian-Government. He,
disturbence—(Hear, hear)—and they were assisted by the had only, in` coucitision, to say that the best way- of dealing •
British Government, not only as an act of great charity to with the motion, would be "tte 'suggested by he Noble Lord,
the individuals themselves, but as contributing much to the the Member fur Tiverton; and he therefore begged to move
tranetiillity cif the countries in which it was done. (Hear,- tee previous question.
hear.). Air tea Rome, 'for instance, a case much commented Mr. M. MILNES replied, consenting to obey the direr-
upon, especially by continental governments,
,the British tion of the Noble Lord, and •to comply with 'what appeared '
consul there, and the French consul" gave passports which to be the general wish of the House. In reply to-tne re--
enabled two thousand men to quit Rome, who, if they had marks of the Hon. Member tor Britton (Mr. B. Cochrane);
remained'there, must either have been a 'source of
.great he bad to' observe that the Hon. &umber was somewhat
, disturbance, or must have been supported by the charity of in error as to the hospitality which he (Mr. Al. Manes)
-the city, and the authorities of Rome not only desired that it had received froni foreign courts, for on his last visit the
should be.cliMe, .bilt urged the consuls to assist them in g,t- continent
he nail -been stopped and prevented entering
Ling 'rid of these persons, although it was afterwards the Austrian dominions. 'Dim circurnstauce had, of course,
made a erequeet subjeet•oe reproach, especially to the bonsai'
`of however, • nothing to do with his political eunduct'on this
WS country. It was an act done not upon his own respon-' occasion. -- ' '
..
'justifiable,
but on-the desire of the authcrities; it was perfectly - The preVious question was then put and. agreed to. • -
'justitlablei and I felt it my duty to approve of it.—(Cheers ' - - - • HARWICH. '. . " - • -
• from the Liberals.) At the same time, it is true that the Sir D. L. EVANS, pursuant in notice, Moved for leave to
Austrian' Government might think that some of the •pass- introduce 4 Bill, with a view to the appointment of a Coin-
porta. Might get into other hands, or that some persons mission to inquire into the existence of bribety in the' bo- '
•to *horn they were given might seek to return under rough of Harwich. The Bill would be word for word, with
cover of them. I was not disposed to find fault with the a cnauge of names, with the Bill passed last session in refer-
- Austrian 'Government for establishing, with regard to ence to St. Albans: The case of Harwich, he was prepared
assports, this general regulation, that foreigners wish- to show, was even a more flagitious case than that of St.
rug to enter into the Austrian dominions should Albans, and there was this difference that proctS existed in
,11 e passports- granted by the authorities a their own this case which had nut existed in the St. Albans case when
Cotentiees,. '
.countersigned by some representative of the the Bill was passed, demonstrating the practice of bribery.
.. Austrian Government.- (Hear, hear.) I think that ever liarwiCh indeed, was even iu a worse position than
Government is entitled to make such regulations as to the ' '
adrilission of foreigners was uccuped by any of the other suspected boroughs.
as it may think consistent with its When he had last brought this subject before the House,
own. security, •
without
.if those egulations are liberally enforced which was immediately upon the accession of the present
, : vexatious severity; and I think that other coun- Government. to office, the Hon. Member for the Uni-
, . tries are bound to acquiesce in them.—(Bean) There was veraity of Oxford (Sir R. Inglis) had charged him
:I!luesattteriapt made indeed to compel the British Government and his fiends with a mere factious desire to annoy
rit.iitbliasiet_ n regard to our passports those picturesque de- and impede the new Ministry. It was sufficient to say,
which some of the foreign passports contain (A in the charge,that leadmoved • the mat-
- reply to
iaugh)—a delineation of the
features or figure which the in- ter last year, auct• had then sought what he was seeking
'-'ffiaidual eel,
but-I `declined o bears a passport may boast of—(Laughter)
e now. The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman the Judge
... aithou to follow that example, and said that, Advocate had list called attention to Harwich; and upon
.... .
.gsn.it.was imagined that we were fund of sitting for our the motion of that Right Hon. and Learned Geutleman for a
eurtatft it was to painters, and not to aes ort-drawers; and (,„,
an a
' mmittee he (Sir De L. Evans) had suggested amend-
ments Sir, I did not ' • •P ' P ..
. comply with the wishes of foreign govern- meat extending. the inquiry to tue circumstances of all the
merits in thie respect. But, S' •
-e• ehleicit h k
, .- have Usen .r, it appears from the apers
laid before the House that there was at one
elections Mr elembees for Harwich to the present Parlia,
time d • • .•meat. . It, therefore, there was any imputation iu this Inisia
a etermined intention on th •partespecially of the • d ' - • • H
, . e .
near, it applie not to,
_him, but to the Right en, ,and.,
Austrian 'Government,
tind • to retaliate on British travellers with -
Learned- Gentleman who,, probably in consequence of his
de seventy in regard to .
A • passports of admission into onerous tti i o--c.al duties, no, longer took an interest. in it.—(A
Austrian territories—to retaliate the British Govern- on
latent' tor not doing that
Leo „
ext w t cannot do by taw, and never couldget law to c°-
'
. a
" ernbarras des richesses." He would, however, noego
enable it td do.—( H 'No
hear.) . 7
Sir,
I think that was f
f„t_ PerfeCtly proper forth'ear'dither back than ten years. In 1842 occurred the " compro-
ing mention in this House.—' Hear
neat- 1 I th- .1c miss,' welch led to the celebrated " Compromise Committee
, • in my Hon. Friend was right in calling the u
• ttoua att . • •
,_ attention of Parliament to a menace which I think it °
Early •
was so unbecoming a •forei n G buck). In 1848 there was an election and ii petition.
ng
~g Government to matte, and as
in 1851 there was an election and a petition; and again, in
te,"eu for the, British Goveromen- to receive. Sir, upon ee . li 'teem'
`ll4 subject there are -of • eneeva 185., there was :another election dud auoi er pt, ..
eoeou,ioo, a_ . e pa, is these papers, especially the The population had decreased from 1831 to 18/1 by 411
alluding to t11)11 which I would make a few remarks. lam -e
• but, strange tu say, the number of tue voters had
reOnS, ,
.....;_which h_ •
.t amicable and Arcadian dialogue— (Laughter)
il'ilecreased. . Tn.es borough had been convicted ut bribery twice
Veremem '''
at,dpassed, it appears, between the Austrian Go. increased.
ten veers, which had.happened to no oth.er borough.
oenee,__,4l the present Minietry since their accession to r , h r
.„, ' •te. eof .vIS4 ttr. Attwood, then -a .Mein-Sir, it. lade deAr, bear," and laughter from the Liberals) 11 t-e --miln e -'
' •
S...igiltful andof V• • . ber of the Hutlse, was examined, and he stated , that
pion„.., . worthy Virgil to see the beautiful 1%„ ,
came to him, and said he should want 2,0001.
two poets and amiable feelings interchanged between the "r. Curran c
the coinpro-
Could - ' h:t - (Ilear, hear,*and laughter.) s• I /to carry out• the arrangement entered into on ,
..
Sir must say '(1-leat-, heal those dispatches without . a smile.— miss. "1 thought .it au extraordinary proposal," said Air.
place whe'n'tri!
.And there were circumstances which' took Attwood, • there the Matter
, but I gave him the 2,000 L, aid . . _
,_0
Lot diMitliShe'preSerit Government was formed which did rested." He wanton to say, that Abe petition was toanu.
hear, • di 41 leY mind the disposition•
and aught , to smi e.--e ear, .
i e H withdrawn, and that .Major Berestord was to vacate; d
k d I he had any knowledge that electors weie
Government -et.) ' I allude to the •c) - which the Austrian on being it.. e 1
existes J 3
bribed to vote for him and Major Beresiordi he said he- had
• councils
, which lb : tied. at the total change of men and of
d. He ' knowledge-of it, except through the money pal _
Sir, it wis very ele took place.—(dear, hear, and laughter.) n° '
ot • that this sort- of.
Noble Viscount aniusing, many things considered. [The had no doubt -whatever, it was •ft notorious _
._ .
o as h . - ' thing was' carried on. The next election was in 1647 e and
and - the nous • e geld these words, laughed heartily, .
h• t. these things were gOing
But tie re- e cordially_ participated in his merriment.] he-would observe, that at t e ime .
at Harwich, Dlr. Attwood well carrying on similar opera-
.whicii. there ma l Participated in his merriment.] e- - '
t d w 5 earn iii 'Oft siniilarupa-
Which wa wae Another point which strode me as to a word on -
8 Ith' -
t deal had been said about Mr.
none at Lyme Regis. A
great .
for diYing i ink, written hastily; and without opportunity
8
cient treati at? the depths of Rymer and consulting an- Edwards and lux. Illagg, end
our
compared with' Mr. •Mess,
.do not-vial:le Though I have great respect for Austria, and but they were mere pigmies
land,- or --to /let?", dervelue the utility of her alliance to En g. the
,agent et Mr. Atwood. bit. blobs was not merely a
te n. an exponent of the
tendinge 'I
think
almafroheantiquity of that 'alliance (axe giver'd bribes to •a - great extent,
° hl Moss arrived
further), I thinkthe back- as I 699 I cannot carry it political opinions of his candidates. ..., na d
no . -
slipped rather inadve'4lPlication of the words ." oldest ally" at Harwich on .the 15th of June, 1847, -atti
stated thaltwAlml.r.
—( Hear)—seeinganittwntlY from the pen of the Government diately published an address, in which •
sive, with Portuta-tae ea had a treaty, offensive and defen- k th • suf-
Attwood and another gentleman would see their
I think that however ane, ae'the year 1373.—( 11 ear.) And (rages, "who -would support their trade, reduce thine
be, Portugal' care she* thitetT au alliance with Austria may church-rates, and -establisti' •an intercourse bFtweert_oth
early period, arid not only
.wnersaaextends so farback as that port and north 'of Europe." when questioned in the C mil;
an alliance defeesive, but in
t here a treaty b reeling us -mittee, Mr. Moss said before- he published the addrese .
'actedupon by sending a foree to pOYe a r a afterwards it was had: eld out a hope Co a re* individtiale the hope that their
war With Castille. Sir, I-arre surd tklitaugal to assist her in the -church-rates would- be paid for them. M 'page z 5 Of the
by our early and faithful -ally the ,t we should not pass " Bluebook," Mr.. Curran stated that he hen is • list of 33
laugh)—and although Austria bee,
be:ll'lft of Portttgat--(A electors, to-whom he paid uwee than-3,000/. for their votes.
yet on "many occa.sions, from eircionsta je'.Y. valuable to us, This, therefore, was 'a math' MOre
.monstrous' case St.
.
the
will and inclinations of the ,
Anutiace_e,o- independent of Albans; where the eleetors got- some 2/4 31.,.0r 51. 'eaoh.
"was at different times in the course "
of the lveroment, it Here they averaged more than NMmat wae the
pelted to break away fAom the engagements bet war come election ot 1842. Then, with regard to the election of
taken —(Sarcastic cheers, and laughter from theunder- 1847, the Committee reported, "Teat 'the last election, so
.Nove then Sir, .1 think that the speech of the R• iberals.) far as regarded- the election of John Attyeood, Esq., was
'Gentleman' the Secrete ry.for the Home Depart 814 lion. void. Resolved, that thesaid John Attwood, Esq., was by
ment •
which
h. . . ..d 1 &ion ". The evi-
cot quite so • satisfactory in regard to the point to whiets, is agnate guilty of' bribery at the sal e e .
*solely the resolution of my Hon. Friend points; as it wft Ldenee event to show that about 9,000/. veal spent on that po-
upon the 'disposition of the Government. The resd'ution ot r6i"n• Since then there had been two or three electicfns:
.r Ron. Friend points distinctly (I may almost say excia_ arel-krwicU.; but the cases of bribery were not gone into;
sively) biovernments, and the the enlhet's being unseated without. He had shown that
to the intentions of foreign
'reply of the Riht Iron. Gentleman tells us what are the in- beeligtrwot.reest corruption prevailed at St. Albans; that it had
tentions of the British Government, and on a different point, pe tire" convicted of bribery within two years. lie ap-
vernment, the first
referring to English travellers, the other to foreign heathen the House toallow le. .to introduce this Bill and
nht.th - him . . , _
refugees;" Still,' however. I tun willing to accept the state- government ortrery one wheehad the morality and good
Merit of the Right Hon. Gentleman, even more largely than him the pernoesio: people et heart would join in granting
G
Words of it aPPear to og, believiug that now there is a Mt H. e(ER sEnat_ he asked: -
s
Government' which -appears, in the opinion of Austria, to Member would of use
hoped 'tlie Hon. and Gallant
Yrnpatbise more fully with her principles—(Sarcastic cheers further pro 0-711 L Men if he eucteavoured to stop the
trolinthie Opposition)• did. As now in the enjeyea"e his Measure.. Whwas not Harwich
it appears . -than the late Administration
d election of te 14- of its two Members? After the
e .t ,
been at now, at least, amicable relations have second restored. which- we • • the vear;.thejudge—hisittglviZAPmbers, Which took place last
-prededing fir were told had not existed in
w'th
entrusted
1 . n, Friend th • Judge Advocate••
it ao.7_
a. . e years cI can say- this more freely now because --was .e petition ._ e
e' enmPlainie
yebraav)now that et -dates not from -December but from practices, but of interference ayld-___. _ g not of corrupt
feehog•Z•su—cr it appears that now thesis'- such -a friendly her Ilejesty'S late. GoYernrnerat,-aaltrlating practiaei.hy,
Pagiir, antv A. nautald 'confidence established between the . lion for la
Committee,
.w.late4 he wea.lZ g ve notice Of h Moe
laughter)-- Austrian Governments_ (S • and Government did opse. 6.2nud to-say tlibilito..
travellers 'so that ther
Sarcastic cheers
inconsequente, (74f ttee
4e Was.appOinted,.
in A:ustri ' eis now no danger for British but :it did nothing. e last • 'rho lafoo -f.h' .
to my 11000urable r dominions: 1 'venture to suggest - eessiOn.' -Thd Committee of
in mess 0 ,t e
think this iattse.:iend (Mlo Milnes) that he may the honour of presiding, entered into a caretat '''
s ruti he:
lead
es in hriagi4 rit.has sufficiently accom lish d his if bribery had been practised; it was imposeN: jOY, and
and, therefore; if the lots 'motion forward p e.
(Hear, hear)— should no. .. t have known it,. He believed .thatee-'4:t•- theY
cry, few
view to those consideration think it better, with a elections took Place without bribery occernrieg, hot
tia_t_ .
must be the best judges, that"' °f
th which the Government such an extent as to justify disfranchiseme
rut an, t O
e dO floe
adopted,—if it would be considei•elsilesolution should not be suppose that be was a friend to bribery and corruption.", here
merit as a rebuke for offences that the Austrian Govern- . was nothing conservative in bribery and corruption., '
, Ktlera" 1
that it would render lees am isfacto have ceased to exist, and ' was influence - derived from local connexion, ;MU fTruip.,the 1
the two Governments, I should sugrYgesthe relations between • just-arid impardiM'exercise of magisterial duties. • hie was,
that if the Government think it betterttnttmY Hon. Friend legitimate influence, but It was at the mercy of any.rnaa wbo,
question than to agree to the motion (eZve tile previous ''
was sent down by the lieforin Club with a beget sovereigns..
that they would not au,- mpt to negatite•`Berne, of course, ' He believed, howver, that Mr. Coppock over-e,timated his
tains a statement which no one can deny),
it since it con- power of corruption. In the Committee it appeared there,
think • fit to move the previous question, Tif theY should ;was considerable influence exercised, but there did not all.,••
recommend to my Hon. Friend not to go to atould really '
pear such a case of bribery as to call for the notice of the
acquiesce in that mode of disposing of the very vision, but House. One voter was proved to have • been corrupted, and
tesetal motion he has brought terward. - (Cheers.rPer and his vote was struck off. He ea 4 old now state, as far as he
_ Sir J. WALSH. hoped that the Hon. Member ter p . ' Could, as the Hon. Member for Kent was pot present, what.
fract would adopt the suggestion of the Noole Lord." -
took place in the other Committee. It seemed there was a
zaal serry that the motion had been brought -forward, fa He ' foolish custom at Harwich to'destroy the-pollirg . booths as,
duce it lryacteunsned speeches and a discussion which would ;ril soon as the polling was over, and on that occasion they,
i and interrupt the friend! relations e• • were so anxious to commence • their work of destructien that
between this count • ' y
slating
..they • -.
.. . .
ry and foreign nations. He was not sio were five minutes too soon, and they invalidated the
certain that foreign countries h d election' That- was all the case'. they had before the Com--:
demands they had eo ft not some grounds for the mit •
perseveringly Pressed with regard to
_Caine
refugees. •As the state of thi - -
tied --perh ngs abroad was now more seta Was a small• borough, - and Caine was--under influence:
, aps that was 1s abroad
thatthese demands Arundel -was a • small- borough, - and Arundel was under Ito:"
not so strongly presied, and he • - and there were many •He •
~ more. e could, name
Which might have afforded'easonabl
rejoiced to see that a subject some that beloriged to • those who sat on his • side 'of the
war with England had been considered
for a case of , House.' • The Noble Lord, the late First Minister', brought in
with reference to the larii .of England I •• by forei
_Powers a'il to remedy what he.condide'red'this evil buethe Noble'
here, and they had not preised and public opinion Lord saw nb reason why Harwich should be
,treated' diliei-•'
demands which •
Prgrid igignyogitim sou
_, .„__ _ might have 1 eats frora other'borouglis .nOr did he. Were t
r 9 WI
imam waltrofue str 119 d9;9Witd4tilar 130 ttits *hi 'illertVittif '
hey prepared'
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