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went with the elected members. This very petition had The Passengers Act Amendment Bill, the Trustees
been carried in the Legislative Council by a majority 0 Act Extension Bill, and the Suitors in Chancery Relief
21 to 8; in the minority there was not one elected mem- Bill were severally passed through Committee.
ber—they were all neminees,tand all except one held The Enfranchisement of Copyholds Bill and the Mi-
official situations; whilst in the majority of 31 against litia Bill, were severally reported, with amendments.
the Government there were besides the elected members The Turnpike Trusts Arrangements Bill and the
two of the nominated members who did act hold any Scutch Mills for Flax (Ireland) Bill were :everally read
office under Government, and those contained names of a third time and passed.
the most wealthy and respectable men in the colony. He The Poor-law Commission Continuance (Ireland) Bill
would lay the petition, then, on their Lordships' table, was read a second time.
convinced it would receive their attentive consideration; The Marquis of WESTMEATH presented two P eti-
feeling, also, that their sole desire in the matter was to tions; the one from the Lord Mayor and ex-Lord Mayor
adopt such measures as might be most conducive to the of Dublin and a large body of the citizens of that city,
interests of those great communities which were arising and the other from the poor-law guardians in Carrick-
in those southern lands. They knew that the true inte- on-Shannon, in Ireland, praying for a system of repro-
rests of this country would not be promoted by any mea- ductive employment in the Irish workhouses.
sures which were contrary to the interests of these role- Their Lordships then adjourned.
nies, and it appeared to him that all parties in this
country were agreed as to the main principles on which
they should proceed in their colonial policy. They ought
to leave the colonies to manage their own local questions,
and limit as much as possible the number of cases in
which the exercise of the prerogative of the Crown, in
negativing the decisions of the colonial legislatures was
brought into question.
Earl GREY said the petition afforded a remarkable
proof of how little the parties signing it were acquainted
with the facts to which it referred. In the first place it
complained that the patronage of the colony had been
reserved by all governments for their own selfish pur-
poses; but, speaking for himself, during the five years
he had held the office of Colonial Secretary, as far as he
remembered, he had appointed one gentleman only to an
office in New South Wales, and that was as keeper of
the Botanic Gardens, the governor of the colony having
represented that there was not a scientific gardener to be
found in the colony, and requested him (Earl Grey) to
send out one.—(Hear, and a laugh.) The fact was, that the
patronage was in, the hands of the governor, subject to
the approval of the Secretary of State—a regulation
which he thought was absolutely necessary for the
purpose of preventing abuse. With regard to the
Customs, the patronage had up to a late period been
retained, not by the Secretary of State, but by the
Treasury; and generally the offices were filled up
from home; it was, however, one out of many of
the good effects of the commercial policy of recent years
that, having removed those restrictions, it became no
longer requisite to maintain the machinery by which
those restrictions had been enforced. And since the
alteration which had taken place in the navigation-laws
all control over the Customs department in the colony
had been transferred to the local Government. Of
course all the measures of the governor were subjected
to the supervision of the Secretary of State, but practi-
cally the appointment of ,Customs officers was entrusted
to the governor of the colony, precisely the same as the ••• .•• ..•
appointment of other officers. Upon the question of the Majority .••
management of waste lands, nothing was more common The clause, atter a slight
than to hear it said that the management ought to be by the Attorney-Germs
vested in the colonial Legislature; but that was not a Clauses up le-
' function for a legislative body at all; it was a duty for The AT'
the executive Government to perform. What the Le- claw
gislature had to do was to lay down certain general
rules with regard to the mode in which the public lands
were to be disposed of, and it was for the Executive to
apply those rules. As to New South Wales, Parliament
had laid down those rules by the Act of 1842, which was
passed on the recommendation of the Noble Earl oppo-
site (the Earl of Derby), and was one of the best and
most useful measures ever adopted in reference to our
colonial empire. It laid down clear and definite rules
for the management of the waste lands in the colonies,
and left those rules to be applied by the executive Go-
vernments, and he held that in taking this step Parlia-
ment did that which was perfectly just and reasonable.
The only defect in that Act was, he thought, that it did
not fix an upset price for land; but that had since been
remedied, and now the great pastoral interests of Aus-
tralia were benefited by the occupation of land upon
favourable terms for grazing purposes, whilst at the
same time the land was not allowed to be inclosed by in-
dividuals before it had been actually used by them, but
left free to the public to be purchased as it was wanted
for use. So far as the feelings of the colonists were
concerned, he did not believe they desired that the exist-
ing system should be altered, because, in looking over
the addresses of the various candidates who had offered
themselves to the electors as members of the new Legis-
lative Council of the colony of Victoria, ho observed that
a very large majority of them professed their determi-
nation not to concur in a reduction of the upset price for
land. These matters involved principles of the highest
importance, and he begged their Lordships not to be
hastily led away by popular cries for what was called
" self-government." There was no greater advocate for
self-government than he was; but he did not believe that
self-government ought to mean that we should throw all
power into the hands of an utterly unbalanced
democracy.—(Hear, hear.) He would further add,
that many of the principles put forward by the peti-
tioners were really inconsistent with the maintenance
of the British colonial empire.—(Cries of "Hear, hear.")
He knew that many persons sincerely entertained the
opinion that it would be for the interest of this country,
and of the colonies themselves, if the connexion between
them were dissolved; but that was an opinion from which
he totally and entirely differed. He believed it was for
the best interests of both that the British empire should
be maintained as it was—that the power and greatness
of that empire, and of every separate member of it,
should be preserved; but, if we were to continue a united
empire—it the British empire was to be maintained—it
was obvious that the Imperial Government must exer-
cise some authority over the colonial legislatures.
Lord WODELIOUSE said that, with regard to the
management of the waste lands, he agreed with the
Noble Duke (Argyll) in what he had said upon the sub-
ject rather than with his Noble Friend (Earl Grey).
He fully admitted that the administration or waste lands
was a matter of Imperial concern, and thatng
could be more absurd than to suppose that, when
persons from this country settled themselves upon a
great continent like Australia, they were forthwith
to assume the administration of the entire waste
lands of that continent. On the other hand, however,
there was a point at which a colony might arrive,
when, amongst other matters, they might fairly demand
from the Imperial Government to have a larger share
in the management of the waste lands; and it was pos-
sible that the colony of Now South Wales had arrived
at that point when it would bo desirable give its
local legislature the management of those lands within
certain fixed limits. With regard to that portion of the
petition which related to the veto of. thel .Crownl upon
dcolonialtlegislaturee
deal
measures which had passed tali,:
ects
was undoubtedly a difficult
easy tol define. the. sub'
with; but he thought it. was
upon which the colonial chamber might legislate, and
that the consent of the Imperial Government should be
necessary in all case where the Royal prerogative or Im-
perial interests were concsrned table.
.
The petition was laid upon tho
BARONESS
fur
VON BECK.
THE
Lord BEAUMONT, in moving or a Copy of the in-
ce to apprehend
formation taken on oath before the justice of the peace
at Birmingham, on which awarrant
Wilhelmiva Von Beck and Intent Derra was
issued, said that since the last occasion on which
he brought this case under their eir Lordships' notice,
he had had communicationswith several persons con-
Horning it, and that all those communications
confirmed the statements he then made to their Lord-
ships. Mr. Toulnsin Smitb, thde barrister who was em-
ployed for the prosecution, ha syritten him a very long
amongst other things, ho stated that he
letter, in which,
did not advise that a
warrant should be taken out—
" quite the contrary," were his words. But ho (Lord
Beaumont) saw no reason to modify the remarks he had
made upon that gentleman's conduct, which he thought
had been aggravated by the unfeeling letter which had
since appeared from him in one of the daily newspapers.
Amongst the many. difficulties in the way was one
arising from the circumstance of the death of Mr.
James, the magistrate, who issued the warrant. He
would merely content himself by making the motion
which he had given notice.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said that since the
subject had been last before them he had received a
communication from the Mayor of Birmingham, written
by the desire of the magistrates, stating their anxiety
and readiness to have this matter investigated.
The motion was then agreed to.
BARON DE BODE'S CLAIM.
Earl FITZ WILLIAM moved for an account of the
entire sum awarded to the claimants upon the French
Compensation Fund, distinguishing the names of, the
sums claimed by, and the sums awarded to, the several
claimants, by virtue respectively of the statute 59th Geo.
111., cap. 31, and the Treasury minutes of the 2d of
May, 1826, and of the Bth of June, 1830, and of the 15th
of March, 1833. Also an account of the sum remain-
ing in hand after payment of the last award, and of the
manner in which such sum has been appropriated.
The Earl of DERBY was understood to say that the
money was temporarily applied to the Woods and Fr
rests. It was afterwards returned, and applied toht
le
settlement of the demands of the claimants. Theßwe
e
sum had, ho believed, been thus appropriated.
remaining.
not think that there was any of tho money re
He had not, of course, any objection to the information
asked for by the Noble Earl being produced.
The motion was then OF
to.
asked the Noble Earl
THE CANTON OF NEUFCHATEL.
Lord STANLEY (of Alderley)
'a
copy of the protocol
the Secretary for Foreign Affairts whether he had any
objection to lay before Parliament Tenho four great European
recently signed by Vani_a_t_on_lnf
Y All I think necessary
powers respecting the
The Earl of MALMESBUt _Neufchatel?
t is, that such a protocol
or convenient to say atoprLsuenr
great powers of Europe.
has been signed by, h
thowever, the basis of negotiations
That protocol beina,
I do not think it would be con-
which are still pendmg,
0 the papers.
vonient toproduc
MR. bPRY'S PETITION.
In reference
to this petition, which had been presentai
at an ear'tee
ly part of the eveni
Lord BROUGIIAM expressed his dissatifaction at
the mode in which the subject-matter of that petition
was treated. Instead of appointing a Select Committee,
to search for precedents, he was of opinion that the
party who had been arrested on his way to that House,
ought to be examined at the bar of the House.
Lord TRURO said that the rule was that in the case
of a witness being arrested while proceeding to any of
the courts of law, or to that House, with a view of giving
his evidence, such person was immediately ordered to be
discharged.
The LORD CHANCELLOR said it certainly ap-
peared to him to be a case for bringing the parties to
the bar. That House had decidedly the power of dis-
charging from custody persons arrested under these cir-
cumstances. In the present case all they had to do was
to inquire whether the statement made was in every re-
spect correct, and that the party was really
kits inter
as a suitor when he was arrested.
Cmmittee
'rho order for the appointment of a Selection 0,
was ultimately discharged, and upon the me
Was as
ordered
Lord BROUGHAM, the sheriff's officesa...l2.
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HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 18.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
NISI J?MUS OIi.TICERS BILL.
This Bill went through Committee.
COMMON LAW PROCEDURE BILL.

The House went into Committee on this Bill
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL said the Bill contained
a clause to the effect that when a person residing out of
the jurisdiction of the court was served with notice, he
might be proceeded against in the ordinary way. Ho
had given a pledge to the Attorney-General for Ireland
and the Lord Advocate for Scotland to make an ex-
ception in regard to those two countries, and he pro-
posed to insert en amendment of that nature.
The amendment was then proposed and agreed to.

On clauses 51 and 52,
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL (in reply to Mr.
Crowder) said he agreed that special demurrers were a
disgrace to the protession and ought to be abolished, and
he would have no objection to consider the subject, an d
draw up a clause, with the assiatance of the Hon. and
Learned Member, with the view of meeting the evil.
Mr. WHITESIDE admitted that the system of de-
murrers had given rise to great abuses, but he thought
it would be very inconvenient to do away with them
altogether.
After a short discussion the clauses wore agreed to
with some amendments.
Mr. CROWDER said he would endeavour to draw
up a clause on the point adverted to.
The early clauses of the Bill were agreed to after
some discussion.
On clause 80,
Mr. EVANS moved, as an amendment, that the words
from the word " time," in the 21st line, as far as the
word " and," in the 28th line, be omitted.
The Committee divided, when the numbers were—
For the amendment ...
Against it ...
Majority —3B
The clause, atter a slight verbal alteration proposed
by the Attorney-General, was then agreed to.
Clauses up to 122 inclusive were then agreed to.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL, considering the 123 d
clause to be entirely useless, would therefore strike it
out altogether.
The remaining clauses were then agreed to.
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL then said that there
was another clause which he had been pressed to intro-
duce. The object of this clause was that counsel should
appear on application for a suit in forma pauperis, and
that costs should not be recoverable unless the judge de-
cided the action to be of such a nature as to rcquire it.
The clause was then agreed to, the House resumed,
and the CHAIRMAN reported progress.
MAST ER IN CHANCERY ABOLITION (RE-
TIRING PENSION TO VICE-CHANCELLOR)
BILL.
The report on this Bill was then brought up and
agreed to.
PATENT LAW AMENDMENT (STAMP DUTIES)

BILL.
The report on this Bill was also agreed to.
METROPOLIS WATER SUPPLY BILL.
This Bill as amended was considered, and ordered to
be read a third time on Monday.
The House then rose at a Quarter to Four o'clock.

The House resumed at Six o'clock.
PETITIONS.

Mr. W. WILLIAMS presented a petition from a
number of Dissenting ministers, complaining that no
clause had been introduced into the Metropolitan Burial
Bill providing for compensation in cases where Dissent-
ing burial-grounds are abolished by that Bill.
Mr. HINDLEY presented a petition against the Bill.
Mr. CAYLEY presented a petition from the coal
miners of Lancashire, praying for an increased number
of mine inspectors.
THE FACTORY ACT.
Mr. EDWARDS asked if the Government have any
intention, during the next session of Parliament, to re-
store the clauses in any amended Factory Bill which in
1847 prohibited the employment of young persons and
females for more than ten hours in any day, or for more
than 58 hours in any week? and will they be prepared
to add a clause to prevent the employment of children
before six o'clock in the morning, and after half-past
five o'clock in the evening?
Mr. WALPOLE said the Government had not at pre-
sent any intention of bringing in a Bill; but as he ima-
gined the question was rather put with reference to
recent infractions of the law, he would add, that it was
their intention to enforce the law, and if they found it
could not properly be enforced through some defect, to
introduce any amendment necessary for the purpose of
removing it.

CRIMINAL LAW.
Mr. CROWDEtt rose to ask the Secretary of State
for the Home Department whether he had received any
applications in favour of William Hamblyn Pascoe, a
medical practitioner, sentenced to ten years' transporta-
tion at the last Cornwall Assizes, fur administering
savin with intent to procure abortion; and whether he
was aware that the opinion of the only medical wanes:
for the prosecution, that no medical man of competent
skill would use savin unless his object were aborticenhad
been shown to be erroneous by a large body of the me-
dical profession, and had beets admitted by the witness
himself; since the trial, to have been expressed in ig-
norance of the fact that savin is in use in the profession
for legitimate purposes; and whether it was the inten-
tion of her Majesty's Government to advise a pardon or
any mitigation of the sentence?
Mr. WALPOLE said several applications had been
received in favour of the prisoner, and the greatest at-
tention had been paid to them on account of the re-
spectability of the perties. Unquestionably the medical
practitioner, who gave the evidence to the effect that
savin was only used to procure abortion, gave it under
an erroneous impression. Bat the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman would draw a very wrong inference from this
admission if he inferred that the case was not sufficient
to support a verdict of guilty. And as the circum-
stances of the case had made a great stir, ho wished
to say that according to his investigation of the
facts proved (and he had gone into the case most
carefully), he had no hesitation in expressing his own
conviction that the prisoner was guilty of the offence.
He must have known the condition of the female—he
had her in his own house during the administration of
the drug—he had given doses of fourteen grains at a
time every day for more than a fortnight—the child
was born in his house, and carried by h im for secret
burial without the knowledge of any parties; indeed he
(Mr. Walpole) considered that this amply justified the
conviction.—(Hear.) It was not, theretore,:his inten-
tion to advise the Crown to grant a pardon or commuta-
tion of the sentence.—(Heer, hear.) He must add, that
these cases gave great anxiety to any one who filled
the office he bad the honour to hold—(Elear, hear)—
and though he had given an answer on this occasion
because it had made a great stir, he hoped that lion.
Members would not press such inquiries on future occa-
sions.—(Hear, hear.)
AGRICULTURAL MANURE.
t
Mr. CAYLEY rose to ask the ChanceellobreotferthrieteErixei
chequer-1. Whether the question bas
officers right over the Lobos Islands had eeefn
thlaetidc breofwonre,
atnhde
present, or late, or what law officersan etiquette against
in what year? 2. And, if there
whether there is an equal objection p.
making public the answer gi.ven. by
blic of this country that every
totheroladwucionffigcetrhe
cfyaisneglatibdebaegfroiroeunerhallapwa officers,. with a view to sat se
a cheaper supply of guano. 3. n
means have been taken to give th3e.mlfthetbgereaptreaedevnatutlaegwe
this important ques-
officera have not been consulte
more properly
Lord STANLEY sal d,
luioffincoe.l tOern-
tobbejecqtratitoooconsult them ?
tion, whether thereis.a.dily
tt'eorgeiagens
the first part of the easae,. 'been
laid before the Crown
came under the cognizance.nvoefivitehge
ritorial right, a case h
It was not usual to produce the
opinions of e8314a.w officers of. the Government; and ne
it consisted only of the
counhseelcasien
to t
correspondence which would bo presented that evening,
' d• There had seemed no reason to doubt,
and printe .
laidthl before them,
after that opinion, that the Government of Peru had
territorial rights over the islands, and the law officers
of the Crown had not recently been consulted on the
subject.
Mr. SCOTT rose to ask the Under Secretary of State
for Foreign Affairs, whether her Majesty's Government
have applied, or intend to apply, to the Peruvian or
other Governments interested therein, to enter into ar-
rangements for the purpose of obtaining for British
ships free access to places supplying guano? Also,
whether any instructions have been given to colonial go-
vernors and officers of her Majesty's navy to look out for
islands or other places containing guano, and take any
practicable steps towards securing to the public, at the
cheapest rate, an ample supply of that article free from
adulteration; and whether there is any objection to lay
upon the table any papers relating to that subject? t
Lord STANLEY said he fully recognised theigroema.
interest and importance of the question; and reveatoveern..
tmuch suc.
munications had been addressed to the Peruvian
went on the subject, though hitherto withfnno
ecrotiations,
cess. He did not undervalue the utility
soin,
ply
of guano was by resorting to the priwncerp
but he believed the best means, of inciretio
of.
being sent out
At the present period instructions
coax,e
ndingon foreign
1 their efforts to eis-
to the admirals and other efficersal a
,4;
stations, directing them
at
fresh
conracpeptirion.
supply of guano could
cover localities whence a
instructions were sent to
understood the Noble Lord,
(S""d• •
colonial governors.
difficult to hear distinctly.) The
who, however, ought up the correspondence he had
be procured. and similar
Noble Lord then r
Ru
theS follow-
referred to- AGE FRLo33.ridsTbHrE LORDS.
mESS
„e• r from the brought A
mie,ssei-,:fe,e-hich their Lordships had agreed:—
unction Railway, with.
ing d ford, and Halifax J
.Leeds, Bra
ndrnent.
out am'
General,B.o.ard of Health,i with
Fl an amendment.
North British ax Company (Claussen's Patent).
Frome, Yeovil, and Weymouth Railway (No. 1).
Claussen's Patent Flax Company.
Liskeard Roads.
Nene Valley Drainage and Navigation Improment.
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