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course, that if any feeling of di: satisfaction had already
been created,'it sheuld be sp- eddy r. moved.—(Hear.)
Lod MONTE A.GIAE differed is en the .Nebie Earl
who had just sat duwu, in taiette:g thet the cotrnuut-
catien which had passed between the Government and
the gentlemen deputed from the colony were of the
greatest importance, for there had. been many cases in
which a trumpery case of supposed neglect had created
a feeling on the part of our oolonies that had rendered
subsequent negotiation with them •exceedingly difficult.
—(Hear, hear.) He (Lord Monteagle) thought the
explanation of the Noble Earl perfectly satisfactory ;
but if mireteionable conduct on the part of delegates
was a sufficient ground for rejecting, their proposals, he
should nor, as the Noble Earl had done; have rejected
them on the merits.—(Hear, hear.) Tne very fact that
the Noble Earl had no surveys before him, while it was
a good reason for not acceding to the proposition of the
deputation, was the very reason why he should not at
once have decided against it. The colonists were
sufficiently sensible of the disadvantages of the
proximity of their line to the United States, but
they felt that it was only a question of de-
gree ; for if they had taken Major Robinson's line,
it wonld have been open to the very same objection.
But the fact had been entirely overlooked, that this was
not a mere question between Major Robinson's line and
the line of the colonist?, but the rejection of their pro,
position made it certain that at no great length of time
a line would be opened over American ground.—(Hear,
hear.) It had been nothing less than a miracle that the
three colonies should have been brought to concur in a
matter of such great importance not only to themselves
but to us, and he deeply regretted • that the opportunity
should have been lost.—(Hear, hear.)
The Earl of DESAR r defended the course taken by
the Government, and drew their Lordships' attention to
the significant fact that a meeting which had taken place
in favour of the St. John's line in 1850 had been held at
Portland, in the state of Maine. They might therefore
well suspect that those who advocated that railway were
interested in a line connected with the United States.
The Government had taken then the best course, not in
contradicting the wishes of the colonists, but in declining
to assist, in the manner requested, a line as much, or
more, calculated to serve the influence of the United
States as of the colony itself. He believed that if the
Government had applied to the House of Commons for
its consent to the plan, it would never have sanctioned
the request.—(Hear, hear.)
Earl POWIS supported the colonists. They had not
asked for the least assistance beyond the guarantee of
the mother country, and who could expect them to
choose any but the best commercial line? He considered
that the advantage of five or ten years of peace with
their railway would fully counterbalance any possible
disadvantages that would arise from its proximity to the
American frontier. When they related upon the
hundreds of miles of railway which were being opened
every year through the United States, he was afraid that
the refusal of this country to entertain the proposal of
the colony would be a great blow to those who a few
years ago bad refused, solely from imperial motives, the
solicitations of persons in the United States to support
their lines.—(Hear, hear.)
The papers were then ordered.
SURRENDER OF CRIMINALS (FRANCE CON-
VENTION) BILL.
On the order of the day for the heoond reading of this
Bill.

The Earl of ABERDEEN said the Bill had only been
printed and delivered that day. As the subject required
mush consideration, he hoped the Noble Earl opposite
would postpone the second reading tong short time.
The Earl of MALMESBURY said he would take the
second reading to-morrow (this day).
METROPOLITAN BUILDINGS ACT FURTHER

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The Earl of DEVON moved the sccond reading of
this Bill.
The Earl of DERBY said he had no objection to
take the second reading on the understanding that time
was given to the Commissioner of Works to consider
the measure.
CONSTITUTION FOR THE CAPE OF GOOD

HOPE.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE said ho wished to put
a question with reference to the constitution to be
given to the Cape of Good Hope. The Noble Earl lately
at the head of the Colonial Department sent out draft
ordinances to the colony for the purpose of being con-
sidered and adopted in the colony. In the discussion
of the question in the colony, one of the colonial
officers, the Attorney-General, he thought, proposed
that the franchise should be fixed at 25/, which was
eventually adopted. The Noble Earl had embodied in
his draft ordinances the provision that 251. should be the
franchise. Upon the re-formation of the legislative
council the draft ordinance was taken into consideration,
and it was proposed by Mr. Montagu that the franchise
should be fixed at 50/. This proposition was disap-
proved of by the representative members of the council,
but was carried by the colonial secretary and the nomi-
nee members. In the draft ordinances an unlimited
power was reserved to the Government of this country
to correct any part of them when they arrived in this
country. He wished to ask the Noble Earl (the Earl of
Derby), therefore, whether the Government were pre-
pared to exercise that power, and to make the franchise
251., as originally proposed? Ho also wished to ask him
another question with reference to the council. If he
was correctly informed, it was the intention of Govern-
ment to make a still further alteration, by having nomi-
nees for the second chamber instead of an elective body,
which he believed would create great dissatisfaction.
He asked whether that was the intention?
The Earl of DERBY said he thought the Noble Duke
was under the apprehension that the ordinances had ar-
rived in this country. That was not the case. The
last mail brought them the discussion which had taken
place on the 501. franchise, but the ordinances had not
then passed. There were some forms to be gone through.
In this country they were little competent to judge of
the effect of a 25/. franchise in the colonies. Tney had
acted on the advice of Lord Cathcart, namely, to 8113-
peud their judgment till they received the ordinances.
A mail had co:no in this m6rning which had most likely
brought the dispatches, and no time would be lost iu
coming to a decision on this question, because be thought
with the Noble Earl that there ought to be no delay.
He had some apprehensions as to the probable conse-
quences of constitutional government in the Cape of
Good Hope, but aster the expectations which had been
held out, he thought thst their promises should be ful-
filled to the spirit and to the letter. With regard to the
other question, he had not heard of any proposal to sub.
statute a nornitve council at the Cape of Good Hope for
the representative system.
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 7.
SUPPLY.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
On the vote ot 30,0001. for the capture of slaves,
Mr. STAFFORD, in reply to Sir G. P,-chetl, ohberv,d
that the Board ot Admiralty were determined to keep
the squadron on the coast of Artics in a state of suffi-
cient eff•ctiveness to suppress the slave trade in that
quarter of the world.
Sir G. PECIIELL wished to know whether France
and America still co-operated with this country in put-
ting a stop to the traffic in slaves on the coast of Africa?
Mr. STAFFORD said the reports on that subject
were satisfactory.

Captain SCOBELL complained that there had not
been sufficient promotion among those engaged in the
attack upon Lagos.

Admiral STEWART said the promotion of officers in
the affair of Lagos had occupied the deliberate and
liberal consideration of the late Government. Whatever
were the number of killed and wounded, he would take
upon himself to say that in no other naval action on
record was more liberal promotion given by the
Admiralty.
Mr. STAFFORD conarnsed the statement of the
Gallant Admiral.
_ _

Lord J. RUSSELL heard with great pleasure that it
was the intention of the Government to keep up the
slave squadron on the coast of Africa, for he believed, if
it were maintained t'or a short time longer, the truffle in
slaves would cease altogether.
The vote was then agreed to, as was also a vote of
11,2501. for mixed commissions for adjudication in refe-
rence to captured slaves and slavers.
On the vote of 150,9831. for defraying the expenses of
consular establishments abroad,
Mr. W. WILLIAMS considered that a great reduc-
tion might be made under this head without injury to
the interests or commerce of the country. They might,
for instance, dispense with the consul at St. Petersburgh,
who received a salary of 750/. a year; for we,had besides
that officer in that city, not only an ambassador, but a
minister and secretary to the legation. 'He did not
think the oonsul could have any duty whatever to per-
form which could not be discharged by the Other repre-
sentatives of England in St.. Petersburghe The Hon.
Member mentioned other instaucea in which reductions
might be made.
Lord S I'ANLEY said there was only an increase of
2,0001 under this head, es compared with list year, hut
the pre. eat Government were only responsible for a
small portion of the present estimates. He assured
the Honourable Member that his NOble Friend
at the head of Foreign Affairs would take this subject
into his serious consideration with the view of econo-
mising the expenses es far as possible.
In reply to Mr. HINDLEY,
Lord STANLEY said he was not i4are of the
existence of any rule that when a vacancy! occurred in
tee consular establishment it should be filled up by the
Government at the same salary.
o4u2riler.s t a‘Vb of
.11
w ere so
iisWhlon:lLitlAaMt Sthecoal2l:iiines,elttthiearnt
settlement
expn_n_soeneo!
Kong smou eed to 7,3994,
eleinse did not
vast a e ,nalueice was carried on, the e
exceed 4,629/, while at Cant :n,

Lord STANLEY said the discrepa
cyouauc
erasnnemitnedal
and not real. The Governor co Hung-Kong
all negotiations with the Chinese, Gow,rument, and bad
the general supervision of the consular establishments
in Chiha, and be was therefore ;bought eutiticd to a
farg,r ,alary :hair the Colllll. at Canton.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS did not complain of he Giver-
nor of Houk-Koe*'s saisry, but 111,Av.it he:should per-
form an additional amount ci duty.
Admiral STEWART' cbs..rved, th it if .e!)nsuli did
not poi form their duties to the is .tisf.,ction,ot tbe Coal-
WWllolllllsh'iottlYitl nilleeverG ohvaevren gwrieendt
mercial part of the c
were sure to hear of it.
nud efficient men to represent us in foreign parts, clod to
defend the rights of Britishmerchant;.,
them „ell. The climate of iicnle" they paid
d,adly to the European w3s the most
_constitution, not even excepting
the coast of Africa, and the cost of living there was
most expensive. lie considered no money was better
spent by the country
than in securing efficient, able,
and honest consuls abroad.
After some further discussion the vote vas agreed to.
On the vote of 16,8001. for the eXtraordinary dis.
bursements for her Majesty's missicins'ailioad,
Mr. wished to know, with regard to the

sums paid for etneas,eders' chaplains, how it was the/
some embassies esjoyed the ereserce of a chaplain and
tellers did Loa What was the principle of the selection?
He should move to reduce the vote by 1,0004 the sue)
allowed for the expenses of chaplains.
Lord STANLEY explained that chaplains were oulY
attached to those embassies where there W,l9,nes. a 8 tifs
ficient number of British residents to pay for a-el:tepid.'
of their own. .
Mr. W. WILLILUIS ebjecesd to the vote as being
too large.
Mr. ANSTEY did not think the explanation of tee
d
Noble Lord satisfactory, because he found the facts did
not at all coincide with his statements. He should IA
however, divide the Committee.
Atter some further conversation,
Lord DUDLEY STUART said that, as it seemed
that the expenses of the Tuscan mission were included
in this vete, he wished to call tho attention of the G°'
vernment to a letter nhich he had just received fro 1
a gentleman at Florence, well known, ant
of great experience. In that letter ' grebe
complaint was made of the manner in which tea
British mission was conducted there. The mission I;tr,
no office in the town, and any one desiringloseek do
e
Scarlett was obliged to go out to his country house, w
which he had to take a vehicle and lose half a day.
~9
Lord STANLEY said that he was not able to
any explanation e.t present, but the matter se.culao;
inquired into. He quite agreed that it was of the utre,44
importance that British subjects abroad shceuld ba:e•
easy and speedy access to the presence of the rePrfeot
tatives of their country whenever they might ha"
occasion for their services. .
Sir B. HALL wished to mention that he him °o.
bells!
experienced a difficulty of this sort at Turin, on suede
casion when he had required some alteration to be la
in his passport.
The CHANCELLOR of the PrcHEQUE—g , 0.
that a circular had lately been addressed by the Foreight,
office to British missions abroad, which, he th°l3goe•
would entirely prevent any inconvenience beirigfeise
rienced by British travellers from delay in this peruc"ee-eO3.
He might also mention that a most distinguished r
ber of our diplomacy had just been appointed "
mission at Florence.
The vote was then, agreed to.
__;es OlOt
2e,stOhtOietOut
vt,ec:tVaccineeweorfe t
hl3esE.,3satsglel iesfdoh
for
oes.n t ; 325 / , tub
Votes of 3,2191., Toreonese and Corsican Ee: fot
e
84the'e IDS
c:Dn
Lori DUNCAN wished to call
superannuation a 1
maces, f
tb.
Government to the fact that in many instances 11tttt
allowances were given to persons who were just ID fibs
prime of life and perfectly competent to trausse'
business of their effices. if 0
Sir B. HALL seid that in cases of this sort Itieel
informed that the places were filled up by the isle
of the retiring clerk. 9 of
Mr. HAMILTON pointed out the fact that 1327,011
the superannuation allowances were for office roe
had been abolished. He agreed that the time (ALA
might be lengthened, and he would promise that whole
year, if he held office so long, the whole system I
be looked into. elierle
Lord EBRINGTON thought that in 0"e-0011 r
offices were abolished, the holders of them ought of stir
be superannuated until there was an opportunity
ploying them in some other capity. he 0041
Mr. W. WILLIAMS' knew for a certainty teat too'
of those who received these allowances were fsro per
able, as far as health and bodily strength went, "iteetS'
form their duties than the great majority of 11°13'0 old
bars who attended regularly in their places. fleet
complained that the great majority of these ge,edt
even when in their offices, really did nothing, ,
paid for ainusieg themselves in idleness. h
Mr. HINDLEY suggested that for the future tttettelfi
superannuation should be voted in a separate es
bar,'
as many of these allowances had been made s °fob'
years ago, and it would be almost a breach of
disturb them.
The vote was then agreed to. ieesitOri
A vote 4,300/. for Polish refugees and uh""
S pa a
nirds was
of 4 agreed to.
On the vote ,469/. for miscellaneous items
Wei
defrayed by the hereditary rEveaues of the Crorii.
Mr. ANSTEY objected 10 the item of 7°
French refugee clergy.
maMder.nnotAalls aILr fro
ce
TeloigNioue:gprlaeiante:ibtuhcatsirothpelyalalo:lasogropsbe,-
distressed refugees. to
Mr. ANSTEY objected to the item of 891. 97/ go:
distributed among the incumbents of the Isle is Ws,"
I; was his intention to oppose any measure that .9 ices"
and tbi , cer
voted public money for religious sects
„, 5 Orlia bed
seemed to him to bear that character. Re b aces
tainly, unless it was clearly explained that thistle Ware
no connexion with religious opinion, divide 4001,
on the question. With regard to the item of entirtie
aid of the fends of Lampeter College, he waedewed we'
opposed to it. This college was literally el; dot 15
the widow's mite, and was opened in 1828. .41,,b,
made to the college by George IV., but ;13i5 Dotot
been sufficient, the present grant was made by
etoets
on the condition of its only extending till the 7f the ee's,
expenditure should be equal. The accounts
bo
the 5:
lego were never fairly produced, and altlif°4/, the Pr
of the college now considerably exceeded 4'
cameid
e
cipals of the college, notwithstanding thie'ss this grs%l
fc'rermqueestfiLt
annually, like fraudulent beggars, to ask; brongo
forwardlu the
requesting the
thceertificatevrhichof'9:o grants del
continuancemse v persons, ef
responsibility is divided among s° i stater:fleet ef
no one can be made responsible for anY enditereol
ertnec 0
that certificate regarding the assets and .e sets 031
the college. It was curious that all the
cpurharn'
in use dated, nut from Wales, but from
taehedOeue.
according to these certifieates, the livings at t. je Veto
college had actually decreased fifty per cen,,_.hieg ft
That be (Mr. Anstey)lwas unable to believe. Pesi.d 13074
idleues'f
the effeet of fostering ignorance and _
mischief had resulted from this grant, it 001
tu
nothing would be so advantageous for the edu_clieeta'
North Wsiss the entire destruction of bs e_ete
College ft, Lampeter. He would move that the "
be
diminished by the sum of 1,800/. ~i DOS j
led away by the specious eloquence of the liege:no
Mr. MORRIS hoped that the Commitke:w°_ulteerci
Member for Youghal. The principal of this cot.
Luken high honours at the Uutvereity of Ox 0 1:!,41ef
the character and station of the Tice-principal ande'Pled
of St. David'e,eetirely precluded any belief in the
es's'ect,
which the Hon.. Memoer for Ynughal had eouce,r_t stleP,
Mr. S. DAVIES said that it was impossible t...oer
abuses as those mentioned could have existed in It.coutpelis.
which had had gentlemen of such worth for its pli,P,hor.OP,
The must distinguished members of the Welsh ", WO'
Or their learning and piety. With regard to tee Prisni3ooo,4°
had been pupils at that college, men disticguishe,aciell
of the college having refused to return any s'",ecl'a
at all, he (Mr. Davies) did not think that such cc-f
the ease. The reputation of the college and ~aer
gentlemen connected with it was a sufficient et
that no fraud could be intended. tcoa i
Mr. WILLIAMS, us having been born in tha•esiodil
in which the college existed, felt extremely SEve
about the educetion of the youth of that conety iA.
one must be aware that any public edified rsu'r Ole
grant from the country was amenable,fl) 010)
thing like falsification of accounts. Pee/. V 1,141,
prefer the grant to be 1,000/, instead of SOvesaaVeli
regard to the statement of the Hon. Member for
ee ors,
that no one at that college could preach in tboeslLl
language, be would only say that some of she A $;
tinguished clergymen in Wales 'were educate"
establishment.
After a few words from Mr. LOVEDEN'en Oblirts
Mr. W. WILLIAMS considered that if t''.`eh es if,
of Wales had territorial tithe it would be as Telco; i 570/
Church of England, and as wolf able to stlPretioesres,
He would challenge the Hon. Member to me;otlewil
more upright or conscientious men than the o'lo
connected with St. David's College, le3o3Pe7A:lesssoi
he were to begin with - the Pope Isimselfee-1/4
He should be glad to see the college in a °°l3-1
DA
to require this grant at all.
ticae iA
arrived for reporting progress, and he should "
Mr. HAMILTON suggested that the ileac
the Chairman should Member
do so, if the Hon:Me
to divide the Committee.
er
ds
After a few words from Mr. A.NSTEY9 thee
P
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, an'A
resume
The d. eise4
report was ordered to be received too-o°drf;
The Scutch Mills for Flax Bill was then re
peiel
time.
The other twelve o'clock orders were °ell
of, and the House rose at Four o'clock.

woclt'
The SPEAKER resumed the Cb.air at Si% °-
q (0°
PETITIONS. leo°. L
Mr. BROTHERTON presented several Of! ;4 Oa pi
Camberwell and other pieces against the btti°',"epteu
Several petitions to the same effect were Pe"
other Hon. Members.- '- ' ' . {op fro p 9
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY presented a Vlll6ool°
law society in the metropolis in favour of tu` 1
of Masters in Chancery. DOC°
Mr. EWART presented a petition from
shire against the grant to Maynooth. Prlebu"
gr k
marriages hir , pr a
with
ii
tnng a for wife's 000 1
Mr. DUNCOMBE presented a petition frots 1
'oil
in favour of Parliamentary reform.- .- - „ rege 00
is ao :Nti ''Prt Mr. e
BRIGHTviin
iI
presented a deceased
petition
Mr. COBDEN presented a petition froin :lin of
an alters.-sioevo
of Down, norn-id •• ter fer pi
p Ming •of . ,tt.o , in . for the
the Mas quisof tion t
. Londonderry in the glee- into AID
county, and praying for .an inquirY nee "-to
taihrer, which they considered a direct.interfer.electioof
privileges of the House and the freedom 43i ego
Also, a potiii from ' that eIP
„, , on Maryport, praying osc
be allorvad to kr, in the House who hid been c
its ot.theioal or second in a duel. ,-,1 COW
INSOLVENCY OF THE POOR.LA"
i ate
MISSION. • le ' - r
Lord DUNCILIN said that in tire City ArSlerott °
Times ~f the 3,1 of Jun) the folluewing Psll4 .11
hic
pe,red:-- a in *obey
"It 'a a curious feet, illustrative a the in
s1)41
the (Alicial business of the Government is sortle,ord,sPrj
lortavd, that ti chequo nrawn by the .Poor4aw Boa D°oo
s;gned by Sir John Trollope *OW tbeeoCoo
,00
(Pr esideat)i,o, at
~et
Courte nay (7.4,cretary), was dish,no tared toesto'l osie
Bank ut. England. Its =cast was 149/., and r
given to Messrs. Glyn and C 0.,, trli whora It
id
stilted, was 'Not sufficient effects.' "• r-IsW /Palle
He thought that for the credit of the Poo
_. on
.„
begged to ask the President of thoi Board
ib, 10
some explanation should be given on this 8111),,,rbue7nut Ow
statement in the Times was correct? ,•,-,:. i difficciu et!,
Sir J. TROLLOPS would have nt flit" dreferr.ho
Lor I, too
explaining th., matter to which the li.rab,le
the c°ol OA°
The circumstance arose from mere.'
part of the accountant who trae_,Olithucooonti 0., bt-
riosiness of the Poor-law B,,ard. ,1 ?!..,, d eseno _ btli
auditors would be sent in very s latiiloot'Se, sessicll'oo
. ...a.saisi tue ha 10
been voted by the House in this tit,4lm--- wit iv
she accouataul had, by WIN 01'011; ightt w.
iscsodavertenco 0 tory