The Sun.
London, England, 1852-03-23 00:00:00

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believed that we could no longer rely-for the manning
of our navy on the systera of iinpeeelm nt. Any
attempt to enforce that system !would most prelatie ly
lead to a conflet with the civil power, and in the present
state of puelic opinion, such a corifiict could not be
carried on successfully by those who might have recourse
to iutpressm-ne lie trusted that bernre the year
should have expired, or even before the clo'e of the
session, some plan would be introcineed by the 'Beard of
Admiralty, or their representatives, for manning the
navy in the event of a war, and even for effectually
mantling it to tone of pre:et', for tHey Should lekin with
nw, tilPflillre for that lettee purpose. • There was great
diffiealty e't. Present in in Inning our ships, and in conse-
quence of that difficulty, there were ship, in etemuni<eion
which were to cineirine for 'two months unable to.
leave our shores. Tat French had greet facilities for
Enaunieg theuevesselsebecause they had all their men in'
hand, tied they wont(' by that means have a gretteadvan-
tap:o tit the outbreak ttiz war. It appeared to him tbat
any plait irnprtiving Our own mode of proceeding in,
that respeceeueht t odginatc wi:h the -B )..,rd of Ad-
ratraPy. Bu he should express his belief that in time of
peac:-i the plan to which one ought to resort was that of
continuous service such as that which prevailed in the
army. He did hot thinlx, !weever. that that plan need
at once he made flpplicable to the whole of our naval
force. flo would tulgest that there should be three
periods °r bersk:e far Bt-vela years, one for eleven
Years, Ttict one for fifteen Yrars. He would, as a general
rune allow th men to retire after a certain amount of
service; but be would not give them an absolute right to
a discharge; so• that they' might be coin eellycl to con-
tinue in their ships for any ta,?riod which the safety of
the country mieht ri quire. In title of war he thought
that we ought to sewed ate a bullet for the system of
impressment. If the ballot were ed. pied fir the militia,
he did not bee why it should not also be altpted fir the
navy in time of war, when Every'man eti,bt to be con-
side; ed bound to (foetid his c-utirry. lie belies. d that
the system of shipping offices would eff ,rd great f•toilie
ries ter the eppliexioh of the ballot in the manning of
the Royal navy. He feared that tf a war were to break
on', and it an attempt wr re ,eade to enrolee the system
of imptessereeit, Lastly of our seem-ri in the teetestitil“
service would teat,. this .0 :try and pawl te America.
Sir F 13.1 RING said he wished to say a few words
on the rwitelieg o' the Rtey t,l Navy. which was one of
the in it ditfiLiult and important :eel cts teey could have
te consider in • niteaveurieg to provide for the efficiency
of our naval fore.. They might have ships in abutei•
anon; mid yet it they wait ed man the country would
Or be -.le. The lee B aid of Admiralty had, after
much deliberation, devised a plan which they thought
would. to a certain t xtent, meet the ditti,:ulty, and which
would at any rate roe as an rxperiment. He could tea
hinciselt feel very saugoine as I. t the t fficiency I f that
plan until it, sh,uld haye• t;e,ll fairly tested. H. had
hard i stated 'tat it was d‘fli,ult to unders'aud the
wearer.; hut. hi, 0..1M pay th.t the pr. bt Bard of
Aduait au) ought either to coke i up fairly or to anoidou
it alroioe hr . 'friere w..s ci.ncetvattes sett. we wo h
respect to which differences it (Tinto.,
.would not to evail
am ,n; naval t fficers; and. any scheme. wbich was not
kri eye to have tee hu,,port tit la Ii I. n cal pe lees at th.<
Adtnita ty could not succeed I, was tnohtittip,trtant
that the first step in any plan should be taken aflici
ently if it were to be oaken at all; and he rivers ed
that he hoped the new Board of Anmeal y would either
abenden tee scheme of the naval reserve, or would seri-
ou,ly endeavour to carry it into successful operation ?
There was another point upon which he wished to offer
a few words of explanation. Formerly if, at the out-
break of a war, a b way had b. en given for the entry
of any one seaman, a winder hounty should be given to
every man in the service; aed that had been toned to be
a very onerous mid inconvenient arrangement. It was
at present proposed, therefore, that, without affecting
the rights of existing seamen, those who might enter the
service for the future should not have the power of
claiming the bounty in question. With resp ct to the
system of impressmont• he should state that they ought
to make that system the exception, and not the rule ;
and in that case he believed that the best plan to which
they could resort would be the adoption of the ballot. He
thought they would have to c ma to that. He was aware,
however, that that subject was one ot great daculty;
and if he had remained in office, he had iatendei to have
given his best consideration to the matter.
Mr. A. S rAFFORD said he could undertake to say
that the new Board of Admiralty would give to the sug-
gestions of the Right Han. Baronet (Sir F. Baring) the
attention which they deserved from their importance and
from the kind manner in which they bad been offered.
With respect to the naval reserve, be had to state that
the present Board of Admiralty accepted the principles
o
fthat
i)
ita o n carrya as
i a really
fairly
yvyelueble one, and that they were
disposed
into operation. But they did
not regard the scheme as one peculiarly adapted, to a
sudden crisis, if such s crisis should arise. He believed
that the 'gooe lffocis of it would not he perceptible all at
once. It was supposed that it would ensure for her Ma-
jest's; service a better character among merchant sea-
men than that which that service had hitherto enjoyed.
At present the greater portion of those who le3 the
royal navy for the merchant service were persons of bad
character, who represented her Majestj'a service in
worse colours than it deserved; snd it was hoped that
under the system of the naval reserve, men of good
character would leave the R yal navy and Rpeak fa-
vourably of it to the companions among whom they
would afterwards mix. We had at present in the mer-
chant seam, n's service about. 230 000 men, lesides about
50 000 wan who disappeared in (invent parts of the
wort,', and were not ..een again until after the lapse of
,hree or four years —(+lear, hear.) If the plan hhould
succe-d, it must still be obvious that so small a body
stnong so large a mass thui• %yolk but slowly. Tne cri a.
limn with re gard to naval surge ens was at this moment
t
recopying the attention of the A,tuliralty. who were no
unmindful (Attie necessity wipe!: existed for carrying out
theeirder of the teals,. upon the euhjeci. They hit that
that order, ughe to b • curried nut; but at the home time
ow. ..Gran (itsw ettoo shoild be left to the office iii Coal
maw+, au t allowance ins 'a tor the r,m acct of eccezetnu-
ou beard snip. I+, was impossible to aeply
slim
eb-tract rule iii this ea-e, " All h. could say wa-, there
fire, ti,at the animus of the board was to treat' the sur-
en- of the has) as g, met), and to give them ev y
tecility tor pros,:culing th,•ir studies on board that ter
irraegento ros ot the ship would adeeit ee—(etee.e)
15ECE1ELL hoped rho Admiralty woult also
tab,. the case ot the junelr class of surgeene. who act, d
'PI cleik3 ti. 0/0014, lot t t eensiderisiiere with
ye-,e to petting lb• in en a dill's'', ne and an improvect
t;„,,itig; au] recAntn,,nded that effieers in the coast-
guard a rvtce ah led be rewarded 'by prometion, the
rewards they at present recetie d at the End oh tee year
not being, in his opinion; adequate to the great wet
valuable services they per tortued in saving lite and pro-
perry and protective the revenue.
The vote was agreed to.
The next vote proposed was the sum of 50,3531. r6r
the salaries of officers 'and expenses of the scieuttic

branch of ihe navy.
Mr.: VC YLD took Pxcption to the inefficient mode in
which the charts of the Admiralty were published, es
compared with the great expense of this p irtion ot the
esteoli-Vms•r. Any Hon Member who kept a yacht
n
knew no charts were m, re voluminous and more incom-
plete than those of the British Admiralty. As a con-
trast to our works of glis kind he drew attention to the
charts of the United States Governmet, which were all
on a uniform scale and plan, and gave much better
results, mai kieg, among oilier things, the course of the
winds, wniuti the British charia omitted to do, though it
was as necessary to know them as the deph of the ses.
Th,y same superiority wits visible in the client; of the
French marine. He hoped some amendment would be
made in this branch of the Service, which cest 60,0001.
es-year, and gave very little return.
Mr. STAFFORD—It was with this as with most of the
other allege:en:ins which hid emenated from the opposite
side of the House to.night —the principal difficulty which
stood in the way was that of the expeuse. The Hon.
Member' was of opinion that the expense might be re-
imbursed 'by the sale; but that appeared -to him (Mr.
Stafford) to bra very problematical. As far as it had
gone, he believed the service had been very eati,factorily
conducted,lthough he was ready td • admit that he should
be glad if there were'a more speedy 'publican].
Sir G. PECHELL said, the fact 'yetis the whole thing
was condacted unsatisfactorily. There t sofa-
6i:tit itenommodatted for carry inchn the business. The
First Lord.% home ought to be Oen up for the hydro-
graplic department.
The vote was agreed to; as were also 132.6471. for the
salaries of (Beer: end the contingent exeeeses of her
Majesty's naval establishments at home; 23,2631. for the
salaries of officers and contingent expenses et ber Mti-
jesty's naval establishments abroad 666,§291 . for the
wages of artificers, laJourers, and others employed in
e
e'r M..jesty'a naval eetabliShuierits at 'home; and
35 3311. fur the wages of artificers, labourers, and others
"'Pined in he Mej,,ity7s naval estabifshmentii" almond.
°n the Text vote being prOposed, namely, 782;4951
for navel' storey, &c. stores, tec., for thif building and repair of
thel:e"tduis"el'PssEitiEnt:so.le:u.trhP,r,isne:lvyth,,abtt.iitne'sitle).", course of all
had oeen said u
cetntd that. not a word
last yo.i,r, Crime tai
this tet,),leCt of a.f.r.,ige vessel having,
her Maesty tee gieellude..ufetp,. and in the presence of
'every vestel which cen-
tt nded for the prize.,
el had at the.
gtittii. Now, if it had h.it p''Yal Yacht Sl:Petits:in Re
ead been sent here, ai a foreign horse
he Volitved there was not a bli,e9aleV'off the Ascot Cup
tu at terti'•Pt'etl)
won d not have incurred the"cu'uoir) wh:,,
arty 6,rnaunintit' vccoiliii.n4o
will
the view of re civering the laurels,
hdd always eorertained the impressi.4l
called their ox -
ruled the *ems; but he should like- to keew what
breollo Of her figure-head nuw 7, They eife_.
owl
'he'd
r onata,aili
exerci,jr g the vessels of what they
mental ;quadron; hut th,t was ord)
T "%‘11613: their Poewrii:
vesiel.> ogaitt-t their own vessel-. i.tapparedto,hica th:t
th,-y should threw ibe matter open to tforopecitiiiii. and
eff.e• lerge priz 's for the beat
sailing vesels. - If they
thus afforded‘ heir own shipbuilders an opportunity 6,
seeing what was to be done, he had no doubt that in
the course of a year or tWo they wou'd 4 ff.ct *very im-
provement that could be desired in the ships of this
country.
Ataerman THOMPSON said that the much-vaunted
American clipper•sbip °Newel, whose qUick veyag,'s
from China had been so highly spoken of, had been
beaten by British ships in the voyage out al.,d home froth
hina, and he could assure the Rouse that
90.._f
ar we-e
we now from being behind other countries in Sli.,p,•bui:d.,
leg improvements, that there never was any period at
which more zeal and arxiety had been manitested than
at present, beth by build, rs tiud owners, to improve aisle
chant ships to the utmost; and up to the present time
we had not been excelled by the Americans ur any other
nation.in the world.
Sl not succeeded in building ship,
G. PECH I..LL said the American Government
had
and with regard to Frouch vessels
Joie-
villa's report would inform them' I had'
better than wt . ;
tttittl)ayrtir
idie
single
three-decker under his command could be made to wear
0: tack.
Mr. FOX IiAtTLE said VI si th freNrific sows- got.,