The Sun.
London, England, 1852-05-04 00:00:00

OATHS.

Mr. REYNOLDS give notice that, on Thursday next,
he ahould ualc the Chancellor of the Exchequer if it was
the intention of her Majesty's Government to bring in a
Bill to alter the law relating to the oaths takes by
Members.

WEiT INDIA MAIL.
Sir A. COCKBURN wished to ask the SecretarytetnohtetfheioSetyfct
staiihtottyeeef
for the Colonies a question relative to &statement which
had appeared in a public print supposed to be in the con-
fidence of the Government. It was there stated to be
the intention of Government to remove the West India
mail packet station from Southampton to Plymouth, and
he should be glad to know if there was any foundation
for the statement.
Sir JOHN PAKINGTON said the subject did not
come within his department, but he had made inquiries
wawa it of the Secretary to the Admiralty, and was in-
formed that no such intention as that mentioned had ever
existed.—(hoar, hear.)
THE ARMY.
Mr. DUPRE, on behalf of Colonel Reid, who was
absent through indisposition, wished to ask the Secretary-
at-War
ett
eo-nhinplidsorao.hnnrawawfoohbfAreetLtephhnreeeortopraehiki
nseemirnno
gvMsaballitidooutfBhlttseY'ham'ecarlioGitcahrompolivoreeperindarotntr.i:motatontaienoornankoetgloefflehitocmeec,atfde alley :hue-
strength of our regular troops serving in Great Britain
and Ireland?
pre-
sent itijootrehßtEioßnEoSfFpOrolplDosianagidanGyoivoeorrraseenitn had
ule unowy.
S34ITEIF I E 14 D MARKET.
Sir BENJAMIN HALL wished to ask the Score•
efaSmitiate had nothing
tary of State for the Home Department, whether any
leotdehfpt to approve of the
.
_n(oHtheianr:
whe-
ther any site had been fixed upon for the new market?
of London had given notice within the specified time
wtro
tid Act,
eo intention
ta hn ad
withtoottrtnhhhpteeeoth or s
sal
Honourableai
ancontrnndtedt
srtea
hhrr toeeyaxunk e thei r carryingon e
Baronet
w ag out
transferredCm to Commissioners.
of the
pro-
bablyfoufrththe
reai
however, the Honourable Baronet
had given notice of his question he had made
inquiries respecting the matter, and he was
intormed that twenty-four new sites had been suggested
to the Corporation, which they had now under their
consideration, and they hoped in a short time to be able
hswietiaet Acth:
..ic)unonuelliedgssl eighteen
btnet;een:
to submit a proper site for the approval of the Home-
effiee,(Hear, bear.)
GLASGOW POST-OFFICE.

Mr. MACGREGOR wished to ask the ohanoellor of
the Exchequer what measures had been taken by her
M4jesty's Government, in order to carry into effect the
erection of a new Post-office on the ground purchased
for that purpose in the city of Glasgow?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
estimate of the architect had only just been received, but
the subject should command his immediate attention.
RIFLE CLUBS.

Mr. EVELYN wished to ask the Secretary of State
for the Home Department, whether it was the intention
of the Government to advise her Majesty to accept the
services of corps of rifle volunteers, to be raised and
maintained at their own expanse?
Mr. WALPOLE said if it should become necessary
and proper, Government would not hesitate to sanction
the formation of rifle corps, but be was unable to say
whether Government would accept of their services until
he saw what progrc.ss the Militia Bill made.—(Rear.)
BISHOP OF COLOMBO.

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very.eevhemopainful
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and per
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sonal correspondence had been received at the Co!
pro-
duce it now he could state that Government would
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Queen's Speech relating to Now
The passage in the Quee
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think to tihto
ZEALAND.
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08n esirintoj .
ti e constitution to the
in a Bill for
isanutbemmr eiostst etadniiennwt theereo
snwtsitteliigt:trieouof colony,loNr eTcoewthilih:veieZijatiini:zz. idisstwiettapoiria: 11:fsendar
fool:divtnhioehaltencti:ewt
office it was
ramotoileneendlooth:
grantingAavlii.nEgN (Ib eTenOsNrrdeerapodrseeh;oatnnothteattans k for leave
colony be suspended f.r a year longer, but after receiv-
ing repeated representations on the subject from persons
comwofiolioNshntoytwhreeoZefceoonaNnt:cuawdrra'eZtnelemilraoenoivife:ldlitespecnollleensegiueess,of
the
British
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soei
itnroh,
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thet
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it)
yeitpaiiol4o: virnutpsodeelni
eBrcogrocetoBB:oti:ut;
I:arsieldortothtebpeurepooinsewsifs)sfitor:doet,
ctberurEtehiseiinnvgisthe colony. In 1832 a Bill passed the House
of Commons for the prevention of crime committed in
New Zealand and other islands iu the Pacific. Intercourse
with the colony continued to increase, and at length.,
consul was sent out, who was to assume "
Government as soon as he obtained from the natives
he first
a cession of the colony to the Crown. In 1836 tsion
of
stop was taken to make New Zealand
a Phardselapsed
Great Britain, therefore only twelve years
since it became attached to this country. The
progress
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of the colony had peen retarded by van t
rehertnedi: :cil fhbsi ogysolii:otenghnunyhei

among others by the rebellion of the natives in 1845. In
1846 Earl Grey gave the colony a representative insti-
tution, but in 1848, in cons. Vence of events which then
he ppened, it was suspended E'er it period of five years.
The five years expires on the let March, 1853, there-
fore it was absolutely necessary to do something in the
present session, because the Act of 1846 would of itself
come into operation next year. Daring the interval
the colony had progressed greatly, both as regarded the
poculution and the extent of commerce carried on. In
1848 the population was about 17,000; in the
present year it had increased to 26,000 or 27,000. The
value of goods exported was in 1848, 44,2151., and in 1850,
115,4151. There had also been an incense in the reve-
nue of the colony—in 1848 it was 48,589/., and in 1845,
57,7421. Sir G. Grey, the governor, in one of his dis-
patches, spoke highly of the intellectual superiority
of the natives, whom he considered might be well in-
trusted with those privileges of self-government which
Earl Grey gave them in 1846, but which, under special
circumstances, were afterwards withheld. There were
three peculiarities which rendered New Zealand
distinct from any other of the British dependen-
cies,-Ist, the geographical situation of the
colony ; 23, the mode of settlement adopted;
and, lastly, the high natural qualities and intellect of the
natives. The centre of the two islands was occupied by
lofty mountain ridges, which were unfit for cultivation,
and consequently all cultivation was confined to the
planes. Then in regard to the mode of settlement adopted;
the people did not, as in other colonies, congregate
around one centre, but took up their residences in
different parts of the island, and they were now
spread over a length of country of between 800 or
900 miles. As he had already stated, the character
of the natives was of a very high order. They
had been comforted to Christianity, they were attached
to agriculture, fond of the sea, and made good sailors,
and they were ambitious to become skilled
in European arts and customs. They were great
adepts in warfare, and some were even better equipped
than our own regular troops. Some of the chiefs had
acquired considerable property by their industry, and
had several thousand pounds invested in the Govern-
ment funds. In arranging a local government for these
colonies there would be some difference of opinion, but
he apprehended no opposition to the proposition that
the right of separate government should be given
to the detached dependencies. There would, however, be
a difference of opinion as to whether these detached cor-
dons should be dealt with as independent colonies, or
only as portions of a colony having a local government.
of their own, but under a general federation, as in the
United States. The Government, after the best con-
sideration, thought that the dependency ought to be
treated as one colony, and that the detached portions
should be dealt with as small but not as independent colo-
nies. In order to carry out this plan they would establish
local legislatures and a general legislature for governing
the whole. Earl Groy proposed, in 1846, to form five
different provinces. It was now the intention of the
Government to increase the number to six, viz., Welling-
ton, New Plymouth, Auckland, Nelson, Canterbury, and
Natal. It was proposed to have a governing officer for
each province, called a superintendent, who should be
appointed at a salary of 5001. by the Governor of the
colony, and not by the Colonial-office. Below the
superintendent there would bo a legislative council.
It appeared to the Government that, looking to the small
population which existed in these districts, it was not
advisable that there should be two chambers, nor was
it advisable that the ono chamber should be
composed principally of nominee members. That
system had already failed in New Zealand, and it
was therefore proposed that these provisional councils
should be wholly elective.—(Hear, hear.) Then came
the question of th© franchise. And here, looking at
the ignorance which necessarily prevailed at this
distance from the colony upon its local affairs, it was
thought by the Government that there was no alterna-
tive open to them but to adopt the franchise recommended
by the Governor, Sir G. Grey, which was that every man
possessing a house worth 50/., or occupying a
house in a town at 10/. a year, or Si. a year
in the county, should bo entitled to vote.—
(Hear, hear.) The franchise should be enjoyed
alike by the native as the European, while the question
of payment to members would be left for the decision of
the provincial councils themselves. It was proposed
by the Bill OW on the first day of meeting those mem-
bers who resided ten miles beyond their respective
councils should be allowed a sum for expenses. But a
matter of this detail he thought it much better to leave
to themselves to settle, as they, of course, must be the
best judges of what is most conducive to their own in-
terests. He now came to a very important point in refe-
rence to the arrangement of the Provincial Councils—
namely, those subjects upon which it was prop ised to
restrict them from legislating. He proposed 14 subjects
upon which the Provincial Coucils were to be prohibited
from legislating upon: and here again there was one very
important difference between the plan recommended by
the present Government and that of Lord Grey. But
he might observe that the plan of the present Govern-
ment was supported by Governor Grey. It was pro-
posed that they should not interfere by legislation with
Crown land; because the Government apprehended that
if they were to have that power in all probability there
would be ono principle adopted by one of these councils,
and another by another. It was, therefore, deemed
much more desirable to leave this great question to be
dealt with by a higher and separate authority. Well,
then, these restrictions were to be as follow, viz.:—
First, they were not to legislate upon the imposition
or regulation of duties of customs. Second, they were
not to legislate in reference to the establishment of
any civil or criminal court, except for the purposes of
trying off,ncee uow punishable by law in New Zealand.
Third, they were not to determine the extent of juris-
diction or course of proceeding in the Supreme Court.
Fourth, they were not to regulate the currency of coin
issued in the colony. Fifth, they were not to interfere
or determine the weights and measures. Sixth, they
were not to regulate the post office or the carriage of
letters. Seventh, they were not to legislate in reference
to the establishment of laws in eases of bankruptcy and
insolvency. Eighth, they were not to interfere in refe-
rence to the erection of beacons and lighthouses. Ninth,
they were not to legislate in reference to the imposition
of duties and other charges upon ships. Tenth, they were
not to interfere for the regulation of marriages.
Eleventh, they were not to interfere by legislation iu re-
ference to Crown lands, or lands in respect to which
the titles of the aborigines had not been determined.
Twelfth, they were not to interfere in respect to disabi-
lities or restrictions affecting persons of the native race,
to which Europeans were not subject. Thirteenth, they
wore restricted from altering :in any way the criminal
law of New Zealand, Fourteenth, they were not to
interfere for the regulation of the course of inheritance
in respect to real or personal property. He ought to ob-
serve that these restrictions were identical with what
were proposed by Lord Grey, and recommended
by Sir G. Grey, the governor, excepting that one
relating to the Crown hinds. There was ono other
point upon which the present Government ven-
tured to differ from Lord Grey—he meant the mode in
which the Acts passed by,the Provincial Legislatures of
the colony were to receive the Royal assent. I; was
proposed by Lord Grey that the Acts passed by the
Provincial Legislatures should be ultimately sent to this
country for the assent of her Majesty—in fact, that they
should follow the course now adopted in regard to the
Acts of the other colonial Legislatures. But looking to
the number of restrictions which it was intended by the
Government measure to impose, and the limited power
of the Legislature, it seemed to the Government more
advisable that these matters should be at once settled
without the delay which the necessity of sending them
home for the assent of her Majesty would necessarily
occasion ; it was therefore proposed that the Governor-
in-Chief should have the power giving to these Acts the
final assent of her Majesty.—(Hear, hear.) But at the
same time he was disposed to think it would bo better,
subject to general instructions in case of any special re-
quirement in respect to a particular Act, that it should
be referred home for the assent of the Crown.—(Hear.)
That, however, was a matter open for the consideration
of Parliament. With the permission of the House he
would now describe the way in which it was proposed to
constitute the Central Legislature. They proposed
that the Governor-in-Chief should of course be the
head of the central Government, and that the central
Legislature should consist of the Governor-in-Chief, of a
Legislative Council, and of a fairly chosen Assembly.
The first question of difficulty that presented itself was,
how the Legislative Council was to be constituted. This
was the most important point upon which the present
Government had ventured to differ from Lord Grey in
reference to this measure. It was the intention of Lord
Grey that the Upper Chamber of the Central Legislature
should be an elective body; bat it was proposed to make
them elective in a very peculiar manner, for which they
had no precedent—namely, those of the Provincial
Legislatures should send three persons each, who were
to constitute themselves the Legislative Council of the
Government House of Legislature. He thought he
would be borne out in the fact when he said that there
was no precedent in her Majesty's dominions for an
elective Upper Chamber. Even in the provinces of Ca-
nada, , where the power of self-government aed the
freedom of British institutions had been carried fur-
ther thin in any of the dependencies of the Crown, not
only was there not an elective Upper Chamber, but as
far as he know there had never existed any desire to
have such. He believed he was correct in saying
it had been intimated to that province that
they might express their opinions upon the
question whether or not they would regard an elective
Upper Chamber as desirable, notwithstanding which
they had never shown any indication of such a wish.
There was one instance of such a proposition, but
could not regard that as a precedent, because it wason
he
that was yet under consideration—he meant the
Cape of
consti-
tution that was under consideration for 93
Good Hope. For that proposed constitution
Government had scolded in favour of
thata
pl4OO
tit:citoinvethuhplpaetro
was
Chamber. The pi culiarity, however,
t
Upper Chamber
this—the franchise and elections for the of
were to be precisely the same as those for the Lower
the members of
Chamber, but the difference was
tte In
lb.
eyrecertain
oe 1 ;shot;
the Lower Chamber wore to elected
tors within the electoral diesttrou.
be bleated by the votes of
Upper Chamber they
point, thut he had re-
the whole body underwue certain modifications. He
re-
bound to say, while upon this
ceived communications troutthereth were e Cups of
very consi-
derable Good Hope
which led him to suppose that
objections in the c deny to this mode of consti-
tuting the Upper Chamber, and that they viewed
that part of the measure with much np preheneien.
In providing a constitution for New Zealand, he,
therefore, confessed he had no inclination of following
the precedent of that proposed for the Cape of Good
Hope; but the mode of electing the Upper Chamber as
recommended by Governor Grey Wits wholly diGrent—
namely, by a double elective system. Those who were
already chosen as members of the Provincial Councils
should be authorised to elect the members of the Central
Chamber of Legislation. He would not pretend to say
that that was a good plan. Iu a case of tbis magnitude

and importance he confessed on hie own part he did not
thick that this was an experiment in which the Govern-
fnet,t world be pecpared to embark, They thought it
much b-!tter to follow tin, preeodent existci in
;)very otter c;-)lony of tile British Crown.—(clear, hear,)
In respect to this Central LegiJature looking to thtit
Support which the Governor w require from it, and
the importance which it must wistime r iho colony in-
creased in prosperity, the (3overnment thought it auch

bater to follow thoprecedent of other colonies. They,

therefore, proposed that the Upper Chamber sh, uld be
as it was elsewhere, a notnicea Upper Ch tuber, coat-
posed of persons appointed by the Crown to hold their
offices during pleasure. They proposed that the dura-
tion of this Parliament of Central Legislation should
be five years. He had forgotten to mention,
in speaking of the Provincial Legislatures, that
the Governor recommended that they should last for
two years; but the present Government agreed with
Lord Grey, that this period would be much too short,
and that it should rather be for four years. The Pro-
vincial Councils they proposed should not consist in any
ease of less than nice members. The numbers of the
Upper Chamber of the Central Legislature they pro-
posed should be at the discretion of the Governor, w►th
this understandin:T, that it should not be less than ten,
our more than 15, Members. The Elective Assembly,
should not ba less more 25 Ler more than 40, Members.
Tho acts of the Provincial Legislature must not be alto-
gether dependent where the acts of the Central Levis'

lature overrode them. They then proposed that there
.hall be a civil list reserve. Upon this point they also
differed from Lord Grey. The House was probably
aware that the present civil list was 30,0001. a year.
They proposed to retain such a civil list. They did not
propose to increase it; but they proposed to abolibh
some of the judges as altogetoer unnecessary, and by
this means they would be enabled to provide salaries
for the superintendents of provinces without resorting
to the necessity of increasing the civil list.
(Hear, hear.) There was another important point
sanctioned by the Governor. They meant to recommend
that a sum of 7,0001. should be reserved for what
were celled native purposes. Where the natives wore
resident within the limits of the province they would
have the right of voting for the Members of the Provin-
cial Legislatures, and would possess the same elective
franchise as others; but the House was aware that there
was a vast number of intelligent natives who contributed
largely to the revenue by the consumption of imported
goods, and who would be obliged to contribute to the to.
venue in other ways, who would not at present have
voice in the representation. They, therefore, proposed
that 7,0001. a year should be reserved for the benefit of
these native tribes, such money to be appropriated to the
construction and maintenance of hospitals and of schools
—for the payment, too, of' resident masters—for the
making of presents to native chiefs for services ren-
dered, and generally for other purposes tending to
promote the prosperity and happiness of the native
race.—(llear, hear.) Ho trusted after what he had
stated in respect to the progress of the natives in
happiness and prosperity, and looking to the large
consumption of the goods imported into the colony.
that there would be no objection offered to the appro.
priation of this sum. Oa the contrary, he was disposed
to think that there would be evinced a disposition
to increase the grant to a large amount. There vras
another power propcsed to be reserved to the Cen-
tral Legislature, which Lord Grey proposed to confer
upon the provincial Legislatures—he meaut the manage:
meat of the Crowu lands. He (Sir J. Pakington) did
not mean to interfere with the present system of dealing
with the natives for their land; but after the purchase
from the natives was effected, they proposed that all lir'
rangements regarding those Crown lands should b 0
placed in the bands of the general legislative WV',
They proposed the adoption of this plan from the belie'
that that body would be better able to deal with thee',
and knew be:ter what was fur the interest of all parties
concerned, than the Provincial Legislature. The .lines"
must be well aware of the complicated nature of the
Ts'
arrangements in regard to these lands. 11
claims of the Now Zealand Company, for instance, sae
the powers grunted by Parliament to that este:
elation. The Canterbury rights were guaranteed 1)1
Act of Parliament, as well as the New Zealand claims'
These were matters which tended to complicate the Oh;
ject of laud in the colony, and with which the Central
Legislature would be moat competent to deal. He would
not enter further upon this subject; but in respect to th"r,
measure, it was their intention to preserve exist-
ing rights, and not to allow them to be overrides'.
There only remained one more subject, which, however,
ho felt to be one of the greatest importance. Re
thought that the House must feel, after the explanation
ho had given them, that in some respects they must re'
gard this constitution as an experiment. They must,
at all events, look forward to the gradual increase of the
colony in population, and an advance in prosperity.
They could not hope, in shadowing out a scheme of this
kind, that such a system was to be looked at as a perma-
nent and final settlement of this difficult question, as to
what manner the residents of a distant colony upon
the
other aide of the globe could best govern themselves and
conduct their own affairs. —(Hear, hear.) It was, there.,
fore, the intention of the Government to introduce into
the measure clauses to enable the legislature of New
Zealand to propose and enact such changes in their
stitutions as they thought right.—(Hear, hear.)
ot
regarded the Provincial Legislatures, it, us the poPej'e's
tion increased, they preferred two Chambers to nee: Lett-
them enact it—in the same way as regarded the ben arise,
all
rution of the Central Legislature, and in (egg.' ibp,
the arrangements he had that day attempted to desccbre
they proposed that the colony, through their Legtitoo,
tures, should have full power to deal with these we usri.
only stipulating, that in reference to any of the "„
tutionsl changes he had alluded to, none should bu, .k.
sorted to without obtaining ultimately the consent et he
Crown. He had to thank the House for the patience
with which they had listened to his statement, ane,le
bad only t) hope that he had made himselt
in sketchieg out the plan of a measure he was then ask'
ing the leave of the House to introduce.Hweho said,woultl aht; t
redeem the pledge he had given to those
with some reason, that there ought to be no further delay
in carrying this measure forward. It remained, the
s'+
nanmoet
lysh,
whather. tibk front
boldly putting
for the house to decide,foltht
hlt: nqdu question—namely, would
t iu
after this explanation, this a measure which fairly eFd_
creaatesgoloirayblyofinnig necessary be considered as coming within Of
ssary measures to which tier Majesty
Government were pledged to confine for the proses!
their legislation?—(Hear, hear.) Ile submitted that_
question fairly and frankly for the consideration of the
House. His own opinion was that it did come withla
such category. If, however, it should be the judginehs
of the House that it did not, he would read!! 11
bow to that decision.—(Hour, hear.) But on one 1111
ho wished particularly not to be misunderstood.
who take an interest in the colony should bear in s''
re
that the alternative will be either of passing this Ter to
with such amendments as the House might titian' for
make in it, or of passing an Act for prolougiehg ar.)
another year the existing state of affairs.—(!dear,"43- of
He had received a strohg protest from a ntaabariereat
gentlemen in Now Zealand requesting the Govern"; 10
—so great was their anxiety on the subject--s' ° hey
delay the granting to the colony free institutioue;
revived
preyed that even the Act of 1846 should be is'
rather than that there should he any Wilber delay
oi:i
the passing of this measure. He, however, must eet
frankly, that her Majesty's Government were 1846
willing to consent to the revival of the Act et were
under any circumstances. He thought that there war be
serious objections to allowing the revival of that
and be was sure that the House would feel thetvos.
Government was the more justified in emPiluiea
ing this opinion when they were fortified by the °p
o.°
of Lord Grey himself who had introduced that the-a to
of 1846. In a dispatch written by the Noble or-
the governor shortly before he left office he he aye
pressed himself of that opinion. He ought 10 recta-0
that the Government did not intend that this Act
~B`. hod
interfere with those municipal institutions whicu'
( been recommended by Loid Grey, and which tarried te
1 part of the measure of 1846, although not inehlease
that Act. They thought it most desirable that 'too
municipal institutions should be extended in
of New Zealand.--(Bear.) Oa the partthe
cu
meet he had thus endeavoured to do his of the Torios'
re,
dusK inYbPsbis
posing a measure which would coneer upon which
tants of toe colony those institutions and r. Ile
they were naturally so anxious to oh:sig.—, aw would
was sanguine enough to hope that the
not meet with any serious oppoeition. It it for him
to
paused by the House, it would only remain I'd' be thus
exprese hie gratitude for the honour they
would
which
measure
conferring on him. lie believed it was a meal.
irons of enjoying On
nists, who have been naturally deb
long enjoyea
would be the foundation of great advantages to the 00.10:
constitutional freedom
sere.)
in this their fatherland.—(Ch •
question,
The SPEAKER, having put the
Hon. tie'
said that the Right Gentle'
man R. H. INGLIS t which they had so
man had fully
raised upon this subject. He (Sir R. H. Inglis) hal al'
met all the expectations that Lad been
at every. colony should be a miniature
t should have social anti every
Englan .
ways codntende
possessed in the mother country; hut,
civil right they h Id have the full bl • ell'
they should blessing of .heir r
above all,
one. Ile would put it to the !tight 11(413*
Thed toolonis s
ins`"e" he ought
fund raised by the the cc'
Gentleman whether not to reserve a cevisal
proportion of the
revenue in
easy for the' purpose of eligion. In respect to the co.n-
stitution of the Upper Chamber, it was a subject wort";
of consideration whether the members ought to be elected
for life.
Mr. GLADSTONE said ho was one of those whf
urged upon the Government the propriety f„
confining themselves during the present sissies 1".
the introduction of measures of the most urgent 0
cessity. Ho felt it no more than just ee ago Prno
f
sent occasion, then, to state that be thought Abe
Government had only done their duty in bringing
nd.
ward the present measure-..(fear, hear)—netwil" %at
ing the state of the Psrliament aril the great issue •
was to he shortly tried at home.—ll
(
hear.), ills
weuld he deeply grieved that the differenors of triatr.
which existed among thettaelves in regard to the PI 00
miler kind of constitution which ought to conferred' Pon
New Zealand should stand in the way of conferring
the celonists at once the benefit of free institutions- .r
eau,d
his part, so desirous was he that no further delay_ 70.
take place in the passing of such a measure as the
_P:10,„
sent, he would be ready to lend the Right Hon.
_Lithgnbis
man every assistance in his power in forwiltdi
4.!es„
were many u
liill.—Flear, hear.) Although there Ad, rhat,
lions which at other times might be asked,
heyould rd e‘
at the present time, the only one that they
on.
sonably put was this—was the Bill before
it
thwas ea",)„,b
whole, a boon to the colonies, and such as
the
while for them to receive? He could notn_ gapehevr,
elighteit hesitation in saying that it was, d
rest swing
principle of it with all his bears,
nets'-
the consideration of its details
nity.—(Hoar, hear.) few obser'
V. SMI said he should offer but a .
vations on the Bill, for he was pr
taken by eur
timing expected that the Right Hon. 13eat I
021,31 7" o°'
•
,

are keought the rnea d e forth so early, seeing that the
Ptllletebad only ben delivered that day. He thought
this etiestiote required so much consideration that it was
"t Pkts:ii'lls to pass At. in the present session of Parlia•
tlleat.' .The Right Hon, Gentleman Ole Gladstone) he
thought had gorao rather .too far wire: he said this
Measure b 4 a boon to the colony. He (Mr.
Stnith)elid not think that wa all they ha,' to ceusider.
With regard to the laud sales they must °lnsider
whether the course proposed w )ald not give great dissa-
tiefaetion Australia. He hoped the Right Han. Gen-
tleman would understend,•that if they allowed him to
!fling in the Bill it was for the purpose te: their exam-
titir this papers and the Bill, nod that ample time would
be given to consider it.
th Mr.. FIUME was not satisfied with the statement cif the
ighL Hoe. Gentleman. He had expected Government
wonld have stated what their policy would be with re-
gard to all our colonial establissumenis. Whatever they
might do with regard to Crown leads, they ought todeal
With all-the oolonies-on the same principle. And if they
continued to have norninees,in the Legit,' dive Council,
would•never rive satisfaction to the colonists. An.
otner thing he had expected te heive heard something
about wee with regard to the expense of the colonies to
:I",raother country. They had not beard a word about
hat. They wire told by Lard Grey, two or three
/ban ago, that measures wore in progress by which the
colonise were to bear their own expenses; and he was,
therefore, much disappointed at nothesring anything on
thatsubjece The Right Hon. Gentleman had tithe he
would reserve something for the civil list. He (Mr.
Rome) did not think ho , ought to reserve. anytbiag.
The colonists ought to have the general management,
end ie was child's play to keep them in the leading strings
ill Which. they were norhkepte die thought this was not
lheasure that ought to take up the time of the House—
that it was not a measure of exigency to be passed this
session. .
Sir W. MOLESWORTH said When his llon.
wits the Member for Montrone • observed that there
wits no urgency with regard to this measure, heshould
recollect that the measure of 1846 was a far less liberal
Elie, and that if this measure did not pass, they would
that Act
tepees an Act for the purpose of suspending
Act for another year. Now, to the passiug of such
Act he should offer all the opposition in his power.
He wan
anxious that the settlers in New Zealand should
have as speedily,as .possible the management of their
lentil affairs, ooth for their own sakes and for the sake of
this Country, being
firmly convinced that until they ob-
e
tamed it, no stop would ever be put to the immense ex-
penditure of this country for the colonies.—(Hear,
hear.)e
tnaari)
one respect New- Zeeland was the most re-
tb:able colony this country ever had—in proportion to
number of its settlersaud • its existence, it bad cost
us -a larger, sum of - money- than any other colony.
Within the last eleven years, no less than 1,600,0001.
ad gone for the civil, military, and naval expenditure
listened
with that colony.—(llear, hear.) He had
listened with great attention to the speech of the
Right Honourable Gentleman, and although he should
,(),,berry at that moment to give an opinion on the de-
tails of the measure, he thought it one of the most
lateral constitutions that had ever been offered to a
colon 3., —(llear, hear.) He agreed with him that there
tCold he one central council; he disagreed with him
l.st there should be nominees. He agreed with the
tleh Hon. Gentleman that, from the peculiar manner
iu •
which New Zealand had been colonised, that they
tho
uld develop as much as possible municipal institu-
„,... . e 0
„i that they should divide the colony into six pro-,
ilbeseand that each province should leo° a-provincial
eil_hecil with a president; and, in his opinion, the, pre-
beht ought to be elected by the inhabitants of the pro-
vince.
th,1,4,.r. P. SCOTT said with regard to the observation of
Right Hon. Gentleman, that the proposal with re-
gard to Crown lands would create a ferment in Australia,
:I• could assure him that the ferment that already
s,!l!fed there on that subject could hardly be increased,
and it was highly necessary that that question should be
settled,
ee_ei and the principle recommended by -Government
ed in this Parliament. Seeing that it would be
"easery if some such Rill as this did not pass to carry
ett,‘B,tl_43ension Act, surely it ought to be the desire of
lnnial reformers, sitting on the other side of the House,
that a measure should be carried which conferred on the
„
'',tleniats extensive powers of legislation, rather than that
'"E'Y should carry a suspension Act.
Mr. I'. HOWARD believed that the colonists of New
hhtland were roost anxious for repeeseutative iustitu-
rhs. The great difficulty Parliament had had to con-
shnd with was the constitution ef what might be called
e upper house el essem bly.- Unless the representative .
th,,cent was infused into the upper assembly, he did not
„„`Mtlhey could give permanent eatisfaction. There
17.ght be something said in favour of the retention of
eft, eivilliat, but ha thought it desirable that the salaries
of officers: ,should be regulated by those who had
seuc"ikuti ,New Zealand for their home. Having said thus
hoe". he trusted that nothing would prevent the House.
111 Proceediag with .the Bill during present session..
th° °ffered his thanks to the Rtght'llon. Gentleman for
tit)°,4l44Y and zeal which he had shown on this aces-
tih,stid he should earnestly enter on a consideration of
stn:itoportant subject with a view to give eur fellow-
ste.rta in that country something: like English repre-
mum
Sir
mis. • N. BUXTON said he had listened with great
tt,..1 istioh to the statement of the Right Hon. Gentle-
„thut with regard to the franchise there should be
tle gut rence between the Bill of the Right Hon. Gen-
oft 4kh and that of Earl Grey. He rose ter ehe purpose
ttst,, Ib4 the Right Hoe. Gentleman whether he could
leteiywtohaht, number or proportion of the natives were
to ave votes iu this neer franchise? It acemed
soelethat the
Zacl
fretassistd,m ofto New-tllmeasure was a very fair scheme for the
Zeiland, and would give happiness
14r. ADDERI ,native pepulation.—(Hear, hear.)
AY said that almost the only point
grated upon his ear throughout the Right Flan.
te enter addreks was where he thought it neoes•sary
into statistical information with regent to the
2, inert of the 0 t•
„td pp a inn and commerce of New
Iv" titmr"r to persuade the House that the colony'
the for representative govetoment. • Why, years ago
I owe, .
"1(1 131,4 " fit for it.—(llear, hear.) This House
'° the acknowledgment over and over again, and
the ts, Isa tif the Crown had given a broad recognition of
that the
I
. she , tear.) And he was astonished to find
*Renee only gentlemen who called in qnestion the
ltteht et dealing with this measure now were the
Wiet,""n• Gentleman (Mr. V. .B•Usite), and the Hon.
forte yer for Montrose (Mr. Hume): With regard to the
hi that Ri.l
3 uitad 0 it Hon. Gentleman must leave made 'up
*ere 0110 the subject long ago, when his friends
Paratio,, he himself in thw and the pro-
t° the' Hon.th measure had drawn near its elope. As
nesMember for - Montrose, who spoke of
its exlip'eboetishity of relieving this country from
tech 'Luse on account of the colonies, before
0,1 r• a measure as the present was introduced, he
r• Adderley) would tell the lion.. Member frankly
ape. faitl
!if eon Y that lie should do justice before he tniKed
4erom.l°°l37, and give to the colonists their rights
e4ti no threw upon them the expense of government.
had 4_4s was the only colony England possessed which
it ei7.'l,l?..thi.eg like its own rights, and-was, moreover, be
eithci rved,. the only colony from wh,ch Enkland could
to east rew its troops.—(Bear, hear.) Re would not
itiepl the details of the measure in its present stage;
principle would be discaated on the second reading,
eitn„tltrohet details would, of course, be reserved for the
h'_utss. I tee. But he would take that opportunity of ex-
in his gratitude, and he was -authorised also to
expresshe gratitude of the colony represented by gen-
thraen now. in Llndun, to the Right Hon. Baronet for
having so prompti
necessity of this me-in taking office, recognised the
eorowly to bringing 4°' land addressed' himself so 'cis
knew that it was con.iderrard.—(Flear. hear.) He
Pon. Gentleman had spared 1:11" task and that the Right
pains to master the sub-
Jeet; and though he felt that uPtotineseveral points of de-
ledt differed widely from
the teelißight Honourable
iiteletaian, • yet he knew
be so strong vs ith regardthe _urgency.
in the colony
of the measure, that he wes psrtectly to
/Le:Lenity of
then „litho thhoe was-grateful,
tor
sh°
°them and more
tying the
41,4eing those differences as to details. en
f
fettsure proposed, rather then take the tilt, roali
,i!,i'ther suspension of the constitution of New z
glaa
were two points in the Bill, however, to whicht
tit" anxious of directing the Right Hon. Gentleman's
ttenton, and the first wee the bemPl3eitiou oi Lee
tintir Chamber. - That it should be eocopesed of the
Pop of the Crown wan, he thought, a grout blot
ilre the measure, for the system of nomination stunk
the nostrils of the colonists, and the proposed chamber
othb. -of err Hbuse of Lords.
oth,r a mere-caricature •
the Joint Was the very subordinate position in which
be placed. The
iveniVovincial Legislatures would
the Central Leeisy.
lain: be wholly under the control of
-0, _I • would be' the only legts.
itituFe in tact, that body
stitution he
ill, in the colony. In so framing the con . " •
cart tight the ht Hon Baronet was putting the
G 14,.; bef,ire the might
It contemplated
viCrlg tubjeets in the hands of the Centre' Legislature
tied ould be better under the control of
the Provin
_
•
rtlieht.4*3"lateires; and as an illustratten ,of this he
- mention the land fund. In tbie articular the
ght Hdiminished than
tope cm. Gentleman had rather _
,Nuse os like
uso •••4 provision which formed a statesman
in the plan of Earl Grey. What fear there
e ea of • •
tir•e, vpsiin in the Provincial Legislature. the ma-
t r" Ment
(eau, their land funds, he (Mr. Adderlay) was
qit Y u loss to conceive. The colony Was eaten up
had rs Inb mismanegement. Six years ago the colonists,
lni • (Meted of the
ester, ,Colonial Secretary of that day per-
fundsw:" build a lighthouse at Port Nicholson; the
`joleotai'c,r° ready, and all that was-required was that the
Ipte secretary should get an Act passed for the per-
the the British Parliament. Yet from that day to
s°att:e"bh the lighthouse was not built. In the samo
their 11(4(7 had been unable to gut moorings put down in
ttan. tie. He looked forward now, however, to a
titre 6? 011 all that, and he could not but express his sa-
ki (31°11 that •
tigtett, at the Right Hon. Gentleman (Sir. J. Pa-
ehalln,e ) had not allowed the colonists to suffer from a
4(117 .°_t Government here at- home, with which they
t °thin
brie g to do, but that he had deemed it his duty ,
the g in a measure conferring constitutional rights on 1
the 410 hists
Nee on behalf of whom, and of the agents of
406. Gentleman
In this country, he begged to thank the ltight
Vigt,ro` batman for having placed the subject-with such
err
ability before the House.
re RUss
sslte wow ELL thought the Right Hon. Gentle
old t,‘ e have been justified et merely introducing a
tthhad tho constitution for another year; but
I,le wits thopaias to prepare a new• constitution,
tietsedueettliontitled to the gratitude of the House for the
tett/clot. to the of the present measure.--(Cheers.) With
to theree measure itself, he (the Noble Lord)
• it in thhhld not be any considerable opposition
Itltnpoet it on 1-1 let and he hoped he might -be able to
t•,%blitn odr• ale the Points on which the lion. Gen-
04* ThUb Adderley) had threatened it with oPl3°Bi-
nyos
the outsell appointed by the Crown was not to
th anth •
ereauthority which it need to possess; but as
elpttitv:lte no precedent whatever of the
workne of an
e' 99114 g ark, thought A l
s -
a I Gentleman.!

. _
was (pito justified in introducing , the former kind of
council into• his cenetitution. There was another point
upon which he cenid not gather whet was the przeise
intention of the Right Hoe. Gentleman. The question
in this celony wee not the tnere.givitig of a :oenetitution
to a number of British 13 abi Get-4 who- had been used to
the wurkires of the repreteetative machinery 'in .this
country; hut there weee.loo,o)o. tenra erthe native ,
pepu!ationesotne of vieliteu were inelotibtedly malting
great advances in ,civilizttian, but others of whom,:
ware net inuoh advseced front_ the state in which they
origin:illy ware. V 7 the Right lion. Gentletnan.oro-
p -iced that where it' naive . held the 'qualification re-
quired et the British: settlers,--he. should have the. same
right to vote, and the sameefranithise, .as a -liteitielf
settler., That would be a convenient arrangement in a
restricted settlement, but: where they 'Wee settlement
of considerelele limits they vvould•give the franchise,to
a •considerahle•number of the 'native population, who
would beeigeoiont as to the tiode of, carrying on an
election, or selecting proper representaiivae.
.On the.
other held, it would be felt a <great • grievencee if.- any
r. cc° was plated between-them and the eetitsseatid,..
this CVII3 the great chili ntity of Sir. Gr. Grey:. t3er. ,G.
Grey Wai, a very able than; but he, knew. that with
these 100,000 natives ir, would. havo:beemwery difikettiv
to .prevent lei pi apex. Aete. from .• p aka jag. an :1 yet to.
have deprived diem of the francleiee eteeeld.nave
very COliSiderbt.,:e grievaece. 'few Abe Right fiene:Clen-,
denial] propetsed to deal with this hatter he did not at:
present entirely understand. The Ant %as, what
would be the liteit of the General As erubly's.juriethea.
then ? Wittereepect to the measure itself, •he Aiould he
happy to afford itevery facihtyin his power.
Mr. AGLIONBY -• was ,strengly -rippated .to thee
placing of' tholencle hands of theerelonists until
they had paid off.the debt. The New Zeulaed-Compaey
had a lien upon those lands, and it had certainly elope
'much to entitle it to. the consideration-of the lone!; 41
having purchased all the rights of the French eettlers,
and mule the island an entirely British-colony. If thee.
removed the lands from the.Crowo, the company-would,
lose its only statutahle claim; and he entreated the
House not to sanction such a breach of faith. • Re'er- •
ence had been madesto the Crovvnlaedeof the Australian
colonies, but theirs was a most importantdifferenco be-
tween the royal demesnes in the two • colonies—inas-
much as in. New Zealand more than 9-10 the of them
had come into the pos%essien of the CtoWn under the •
Act of 1847. The only mode in which they could .cut
the Gordian: knot would be.to.teivel the company a home
guarantee, instead of its presentscauritye This would be
the cheapest course, for combined. with proper relarme, •
they might save it by 10,000/. or 15,0001. a year. As
all events, be supported the grant of a constitution to •
the people of Now Zealand.
Mr. GLADSTONE suggested that the plan rreferred
to as having been prepared by the late Colonial Govern-
ment should be laid on the table of the House.

Colonel THOMPSON begged to offer the Right Hon.
Gentleman (Sir J. Pakington) a warmer congratulation
than any-that he had yet hoard. Did the 'Right Hon.
Gentleman know that ha was proposing a. system-of
colonial policy that -would put int:i our possessiun as
much of the empire of the world as au honest man would
wish to acquire.? thought that a few.. moments
might bo useiully employed in pointing ;out the iniport7.
mice of the principle which the Right Zion. .Gentleman
kiss been the fortunate means of bringing forward: and
putting into execution. Tho- great have and. injury of
our colonial system had always been the difference of
races; but now of that difference the .Right. Hon. Gen-
tleman.was likely to see the end. We were now.in the
saute po,ition towards.the natives as that in which his-.
tory itiformed us the .R.imans stood to, our rude. fore-.
fathers. The Right Honourable Bironet had given- them
evidence that the native inhabitants of. that colony, were
as nearly as possible in the-condition our -lorefathers
were. .He was net sure whether our forefathers ate
anybody, but it was gait° certain they -roasted-
them.--(L.ughter.) These natives .wt-re to partici-
pate in the benefits of the eons:Almon of this country;
and he hoped that when 'the present race of states
men had long. passed fr)m this sublunary scene. the
Right Hon. Baronet would ha quoted as having laid
the foundation of an empire more eict.nsive'thati would
otherwise have fallen to our ahare.—(l.leur, hear.) I,
had not been stated what was to be tbe.qualificatiuu of
the elected; if it-was to be the.same as that of theelec-
tors he kb uld be quite content. lie clid riot approve,ef
the proposal that 7,000/. should be expended for. the
benefit of the nauveb. . Why should :they be treated ee.a

children?- . , • , .
Sir JOHN PAKINGTON said. that after. the cordiel
manner in which his proposal had been receive4hteleltk
sanguine, with .eeery-dispositioa to meet all.fuir amend-
meets, that the Bill migift become livv thin session. .1-1(.3
had not anticipated any objection to his measure from •
such a friend to local, sett-government•as the Hou.
Nlember for Montrose. He wished to supply au omis-
sion in his first statement, . on the . SeancieLpart ot.the
question; By a statement in his hand, he found that
toe annual eaten-Altura oithis country fora the govern-
ul 13
8.4 to.
3
teens of New Z;ttlaud, not including the maintenance of
the military ferco, had. fluctuated
020v,0430t001i.n
36,0001. a yeitr. Li a edition there
ut 54.0001.; and in 1850 of 21,0001., for additional ex-
penses above the sums he had mentioned. In the esti-
mates of colonial expenditure for the present year, this
item would be reduced to 10 0001.; next year he hoped
it would only be 5,0001,; and after that there was every
reason to believe that New Zesland would be altoge-
ther self-supporting.—(livar,-hear.) Lie had been asked
as to the limits to be as.igned to the several province s.
Sir George Grey, iu his last dispatch, stated that each
of the British settlements had now attracted to it a Sur-
rounding population of the native race; the two races'
stood to each other in the relation of landlord end tenant
and were insensibly forming 'one community.—(Rear,
hear.) These natives were entitled to share the privi-
logoe of their .felloweitii:pne. They were 120,000 in
number; they varied very much in their degree tivie
liz;tion; many lived in districts which might not be
eluded in the different provinces; and it was to promote
their eivillzstion, by eohoole and other means, that
the 7,0001. was propoecd to be 'voted. Thte-Governor
would be empowered to prencribelhe limits of the dife
ferent provinces; 'and there would no doubt ba' a very
large district which would'eot be Contained. in •these.
provinces. Sir George Grey prhposed .to introduce•mu-•
nicipal arrangements for the different classes; /anti' ho
believed the object respecting which the • Noble Lord
(Russell) held put a goestion would be• attained. But,
certainly, the Central Legislature would' have a general
control over the whole of the islands. He had no.ohjec•
Lion to the plan of Sir George Grey being printed for
the use of the. House. •

Lord J. RUSSELL said that plan had never been duly
considered by the Legislature.
Leave was then given to introduce the Bill.
THE MILITIA BILL.

On the motion that the House should go' into Committee
on this Bill, - . - . . , • ,
Dlr. COBDEN.rose and spoke as follows: - Mr. Speaker,
Had the majority •in the division on . the second reading- of
this Bill ,fairly represented either . the . population or the
wealth of this country, I should net have ventured to offer
one word more, either to resist or delay the progress of the
measure. But I have 'the sanction of the highest Minh-ter,
of the Crown for the course ' I have taken on this question.,
I have taken the division lists 'and analysed thew and,
amongst that large majority of 2 to 1 who votel itt'fa'S'our of
the Militia Bill, I find not the representatives of any of the.
large centres of intelligence, industry, and wealth.'a any of
our large city populations. In the-minority I find the -re-.
presentatives of Edinburgh, Glasgow, Manchester, Binning.:
ham, Westminster, Southwark, . Mary lebone, Lambeth,
Tower Hamlets, Finsbury, Greenwich—the largest of our
borough constituencies; also, Newcastle, Hull,Southampten„
Oxford, York, S,oskport, Worcester, Sheffield, Northamp-
tou,'Hudderstield, Aberdeen, Canterbury, Atattrosa. Bath,
`l,-undee, Coventry, Leicester, Preston. The City of London
and Liverpool were-divided on' this question. Leeds and
another' place were also divided', but the two Members
who voted for the militia have declined. again to canvass
for their saata. , -Middlesex and West Yorkshire are divided.
I can say for myself, knowing what is the state of ' public
opinion in West Yorkshire, that next to free trade there is
no one question. on which I.would snore. fearlessly go to that..
Constituency for fe-election: than as an opposer.ofthe Militia
Bill.—(Cheer..) lii addition to this test we have 800 peti-
tiona against the Bill ; and all the large towns in the king-
dom are in oppdsitiOntO it. We have not had One petiti n
nor one Meeting in its favour. (Cheers.) I do not pretend
to say that the Government is not competent t,;-proposesuch
a Bill; but these filets afford' fair ground; at all events, why
I should move a reconsideration of the measure. - (Hear,,i
hear.). I wish there facts to be known, not only in thia,l
country but in. -11 neighbouring country.. .1 wish theist toil
know that the great centres of :intelligence and. populatioh
bona which is
1--11 -,,:his. country de net join with those gentlemen ihtbia
-u- la who cail themselves statesmen, forsooth, and wll9-
vvatesion by , ,
._
rise in their places- possessing great authority on other qties-
. great mu, of
ill evidently lost stn this -and tell us that we are
danger from our neighbours, and must be prepared for iris
an
ex
preYssaiohnoord;lito_f savages —(Laughter ) ''lt is evident
totally disbeliev
the security of the intelligent people' of this ' country'
(Cheers.) ' Nor .ie this to be-- taken ‘ atV
the
that the population are imlifferent- toe
cni
ottutroca.tiaulase?realtn. 11 w- have the population acted
camp, the whole. nation into
seeinecteenverced-to an immense
". On a endue, the laud
Walter Scott tells us—. • . ~. •
'appeared for a time to be utter et
All peaceful
.considerations
iorween aside, mid the voice Calling.'
himself into a
Gerieral.,ti,ial. soldiers, and the good old King
s cot, rights sounded, not only' in
the nation to defend their dearest
rd
in
ilvtuhked to second the tree
with the voeiePlaces of
doooof .devotion.” •
Parliament, and in Ineetihoea
Public amuse-
sures of defence, but'tvas
necessary. take rece-,
ment, and mingled even
Hoes is it that the. people out ofs-.
rouncidd
re do not do on this
for
question as on all others, where it i
dente of this House?—(Cheers.) Hew is it. that Simply
they base
not believe that there is any g
not given us the lead?—(Hoar, hear.) sin,
atom of alarm, and because they believe they have alr°%ll3l,
because they do
made abundant sacrifices out of their resources, sufficigt to
meet all the dangers that may impend over the country:
- think, after voting fifteen millions of their money .
They think, a
which would build a Manchester or 'a G-taan -
ntlallya sum .
'tit in the present • state "of the affairs 2.-if
go w evqfy year= that
necessity why: they should leave their
the, world there is no
d
turn soldiers in their own defence
profitable occupations an
I am going to, deaLon
at a shilling a day.--(Hear, hear.) •
. with
with your army, but your,;.
the present occaaions inet 1t to Consider the Safeguad
navy, which we have been tang i
f Id I, ti. tiand" ales''co
od walls o 0 ,I, - e
of
4ngLanCh The." lv° eu
rl;r tlle opinion of the country
great deal to this countrys an,...t is a. e
vote
s,500;000 ,
that they,ought to be'able to protect us: NI . r r)
ti , the packets
Inc u in), e
for our navy and naval establishments,
for the Post-offfetsservice; and I 'hie:hide those', Sibatise' in
the case of hostilities; the'very brUnt of t Ile ivar wMO be
borne by those packsts; which aro larger than-the Govcrd.,,
ment steamers; and would be able-to catch anything, Watt
away from anything; therefore I sav they are one of the
toot e4sential parts of ,the nave. (Hear.) , Going back to
1835, I find• we spent Duly 4,5110,(100/.. on nor navy. We,.
have siege increased that expoiditure 2,000,0001. ,
Why, to
meet the very difficulties and cow intzehcies . Michyou now,.
say yon are making provi,,i(m for. In 1836, it was said we
were going to have war with Russia and' yoni addect 6.600 '
men toyour navy.' There was no war with l' .- I but' the
additional fcrce was kept ''l di.
lii's
a'
- up. n N4l and '1342 you bad'
difficulties in China and Syria, and
a ' threatened rupture
with France; . and in 1842 , •
with America about the ltic,:fittirred the . difficulty
added to our navy then on account Ithboundary. NS e
e war, in China
and Syria, and the chance of a .rupture withiio the, United
States. Those tiifficulties passed away,
was never reduced. In, 1845, there was
a:he navy
. . a_z very
s_ ~. ~
grave and sumo 14141114 01 ' a rupture whit the LI . d
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