The Sun.
London, England, 1852-07-29 00:00:00

parties. About half-past nine o'clock, when I was sit-
ting at the piano, Mr. Tyndall came into the room, and
tapping me on the shoul(er, said a gentleman wanted to
speak to me.• Mr. Tyndall spoke to me very kindly. I
left the room, when two policemen took me by force to
the police station in New-street. I was then searched
in a public ro,m. I did not consent to ha searched, but
Tandy, the officer, all
end I was otligal to submit.
I did not know at all why I was talson thei.e. I asked
Mr. Tandy what I was taken for, •and ho insulted me.
He told ma I was a thief and an impostor.
The JUDGE intimated that the defendants were not
answerable for the conduct of the po!ie?.
witness—I was confined in a cell all night, and I re-
collect the door being opened in the morning, On that
occasion I saw the Baroness Von Beck. She sail we
die accused of being impostors, and atked ma for 6331"
water and a physician. On going into count at eleven
o'clock, I saw the Baroness sittinr, on a chair n?arly
dying. I was placed in a corner of the court.
Sergeant Miller—Were you placed in the place where
prisoners are usually placed?
Witness—l don's know, for I was nave: in such a
place before.—(Laughter.) When in court I heard a
gentleman make a long speech, and Mr. Dawson and
Mr. Tyndall were examined. I rocs then discharged. I
have received money in this country. The Rev. Mr.
Wingate; the friend of ott^ family, has brought me

money.
The information upon which the warrant was granted
was
_here put in, when it appeared that there was no
heading to it, but had the appearance of a mere depoA-
tiou before a magistrate. The warrant was not forth-

coming.
Mr. W. H. Gem was recalled and gave evidence—l
was present when the plaintiff was brought before the
magistrates the morning after his arrest.
The JUDGE—What was the charge, and who made it?
Witness—There were no other depositions taken than
those then produced; but those persons, Mr. Tyndall
and Mr. Dawson, gave evidence, and the four defendants
were all present. A professional gentleman appeared
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and conducted the charge etrainst Derra De Mende..
He said he appeared for Mr. Dawson, and the names of
the other defendants were mentioned.
The depositions taken before the magistrates at the
time the warrant was granted were then read, in which
the deponents, Messrs. Dawson, Ryland, and Tyndall,
swore that they believed the plaintiff and the Baroness
Von Beck were impostors; and Mr. Dawson stated more
particularly that 243. was obtained from him by false
pretences.
The JUDGE expressed his surprise that any magis-
trate could have granted a warrant upon such deposi-
tions. They were mere notes of credulity, nothing
more.
n•tant Derra De Maroda was then cross-examined
by Mr. MACAULAY—Mr. Tyndall treated myself and
the Baroness with great hospitality until within a few
days of our arrest. It was our intention to have left
Birmingham on the Saturday or the Monday. I t
the army because I was going to be married. I intended
to live upon the allowance made by my father. I came
to England to see the Great Exhibition. I have been
hero .ever since'respecting this affair, and last saws r-
Bentley, the publisher, about three weeks ago. I re
spoken to him about this subject. Mr. Hart recom-
mended me to my attorneys. • I speak the French, Ger-
man, and Hungarian languages. The deceased spoke
very little French. Most ladies in Hungary sPeak
French. The Baroness told me that she had lived at the
Court of Vienna during the reigns of three Emperors.
She never told me in what capacity. She told me that
she knew my family at Pesth by reputation. She told
me also that she had married Baron Von Beek in the
northern part of Hungary, but I never knew the Baron
myself. Ido not know the name of the landlord of the
house, 38, Dean-street, Soho. I met Mr. Kaszony
almost every time I called at the house. He is in War-
wick. I never stated that I joined the Baroness Von
Beck in consequence of my own poor circumstances.
I had money at the Clarendon when I was arrested. I
asked Mr. Tyndall for the subscription, but he told me
he could not get it.
The Learned COUNSEL here cross-examined plaintiff
as to the statement of Mr. Haynik, commissioner of
police of Hungary, under the government of Kossuth,
when before the magistrates at Birmingham,
when Ser-
geant Miller objected. The objection caused some dis-
cussion, but ultimately, the Judge allowed the cross-
examination to proceed, adding that the extreme irre-
gularity practised at the Birmingham` Police-office was
very disgraceful. The examination, it appears, had
never been signed by the witnesses.
The cross-examination of Derra Do Maroda was re-
turned—l did not thank Mr. Hay
sarcasti-
cally, in my own language. Haynik except
—(laughter.)
Reexamined—Mr. Haynik said at Birmingham that
he was a nobleman, but he was not acknowledged as one
in his own country. Mr. Dawton and Mr. Tyndall had
as opportunity for three weeks of judging of the
manners of Baroness Von Beck. I thought at all times
she was what she represented herself to be.
Mr. Gem repeated the evidence of Mr. Haynik at the
Birmingham Police-office, and in which he denied that
Von Beck was a noblewoman, bat a woman named
Racidula and a spy in the Hungarian service. When
before
sequence of the death of the Baroness, they had no wish
the magistrates, Mr. T. Smith stated that, in can-
to proceed further against the plaintiff, but simply to
state the case on which they made their charge against
the two prisoners. The magistrates thereupon dis-
charged the prisoner, the present plaintiff, observing
that they should have dealt differently with the case it
both prisoners had been brought before them. The
sadden death of the Baroness, however, prevented that.
Mr. MACLULAY—Did the magistrates say that the
plaintiff and the Baroness had been properly arrested?
Mr. sergeant MILLER objected to the question.
The JUDGE—We have nothing to do with the opi-
nions of the magistrates. You may rely upon it that I
shall not be guided by the opinion of the Birmingham
magistrates.
The evidence of Dawson and Tyndall, as given before
Beck duringat the Hunga-
rianr ete n
Dtthe magistrate, was next real. It has already been
published.
Lieutenant Gorski was examined by Mr. FIELD, by
means of an interpreter. I was a lieutenant under Ge
nera
war.l:3e inkn tehwe
the Hungarian ngar
Baronessi an a e v s,
in 1849. I afterwards saw her at Mr. Tyndall 's,
.1' in
te ty
Birmingham. The second time I saw her at Pesth,
where she was always called the Baroness Von Beck.
Minister,
She WA3 so addressed by Csayne the who was
afterwards hanged by the Austrians.
recog-
nised by the sister and mot' of She was
ner K MIL., as the BA.
roness Von Beck.
Cross-examined by Mr. MACAULAY I knew
the Ba-
roness Von Beck in Dean-street, Soho. I copied
her first book. The muuseript
was in
her
rtnak wnen
part of
she set off to Birmingham. It was in a public
eplace
at
Pesth that he saw the Baroness. At Diebreaten she
was in conversation with one of the Secret •
es of State.
By the JUDGE—I never knew her husband.
envies Anthony Noedle,by Sergeant Mea
year 1848 I was in the camp of
tt, Han. Lun—le the
of which I was a lieutenant. It Was my garian troops,
or-
derly to introduce visitors to the Governmentaty as
an
Commis-
sary. A lady introduced herself to me astae
e Von Beck, whoee husband had been killed' Baroness
cal° in Austria. The commissary and officers a barn-
and the former, addressing. her, said, t4GeelibelaZ cams out
my dear Barone-s.". She went in and stayed with him
half an hour. Oa the 24th of April, I
- aPiti saw he: at
the fortress of Comorn, and, at a ball given by the
officers and their ladies, she was treated very -
politely as
the Baroness Von Beck.
Tile Japers—Suppose that you prove that the Baro-
ness was not an impostor, what then? Tile point is, had
these defendants ley reetonable ground at the time fur
believing that she was an impoitor. I really do net think
that this evidence ie et all material.
Sergeant MILLER said that if that was his Ler h. 3s,.ip
opinion he would rot press the examination.
Cross-examined by Mr. Micaurter—l have learnt to
cut hair, and in our country, it a umn wishes to become
a surgeon, he must attend six Laths schools,and
learn
to cut hair. It is required as a qualification.
The JUDGE—It was the custom in this
country, for-
merly, to unite the two professions.
Cross-examination resumed —Wheu I safe the Baroness
I believe she travelled in a carrl ge, but I never saw a
servant with her. I revee heard Kete. my cell the
Beronesi Radicula, nor did I ever hear her called Lars.
Beck. •

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Daniel liaszony, examined by Mr. Sergeant MILLER
—I firrt saw the Baroness at .Presbarg, in Upper Hun-
gary, on the 10th of Novamber,. 1848. She came from
Vienna, and saw the Commissariat-General, with, whom
communicated on
ao privateam pe t
en
t person matters.
as
a spy,Recommendedto
b a at
sthh:
Peach, and ho said they had already a very clover lady
her services 3.200 florins: b,le bigned the receipt in
in that
,'own.. At Diebretsen, I -paid the Baroness for
the
name Of the Baroness Von Beck. I saw her again with
Prince ils te rht zy; and others; afterward A at Ham bizi,•b .
She was always addressed as Madame Baroness, I ,vas
9,..,-;seut in W. Tindall's house when Dana and she-were
taken into custody. tali;ed what they were taken into
custody for, and theyM9 if I would go to thz., pri-
son the next morning t.,,t eleven o'clock I should see,
Cress-sxaMined by Mr. Macaulay—l was an to.
janct to the Commissariat, and afterwards became a
used
lieutenant in order to avail myself of the-terms of the
c6sepzzitiueglai titehne the
Emigration Society at .Hambnrgh because I hal em.
idell a charge it:neon
nel°s:onrfno .wt h. eI -society,whil I not
sandaelv"tnehelelveßedra
rflsareonarnaistsl of
ft
her
Ptrriaeasbdusriga sLhcasacdaalniedmhadereseulsfeßtafetihitaitlet;eramndias7kee. of
the term" Racidula ' in Hungary, she had to pass through
R3-examined by Sergeant MILLER—When she
the Austrian outposts. -
Michael Angelo Garvey, by Mr. FIELD--I am keeping
my terms id the Middle Temple. I was employed L,37
Alt• Bentl-y, the publisher, to translate Baroness Von
axk's first work. I received the manuscript partly from
Mr. Bentley. and partly from t!...dl3areness. I reeogcm
_Mr. Ryland in Court, as a gentleman who called upon
me in London. It was on the day before the arrest in
Birmingham. I was engaged to translate another srork
for the Baroness. It was an autobiography. -I bail two
volumeS of the manuscript in my posSestion when Mr,
Ryland called upon me, and had reoeivpd from the
Llaredeas 20/, on account. , Mr. Ryland asked me. if I
was translating the new work of the Baroness, as- a re-
lation of his was collecting- the names of subscribers,
and he wished to see whether it was a bona. fide trans-
action. I offered to show him the manuscript, when
Mr. Ryland said it was unnecessary, es' my word was
sufficient.
The JUDGE—One would really think that there is no
such person as the plaintiffin existence, for I have heard
• nothing of him for the last three or. tour hours. Did
you once see the plaintiff at Ramsgate with the Ba.
roues's? Witness—l did. .
1 The JEDGEAnd you called her Baroness in his pre.
aches? 'Witness--I did; and, ho saw the translation in
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