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London, England, 1852-06-16 00:00:00

'MP:EU/AL PARLIAMENT

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HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 15.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
DIAYNOOTH.
Mr. KEOGH wished to know from the Hon. Member for
North Warwickshire if he intended to proceed with the
Maynooth order which he had managed to keep on the paper
since the 21. of February.— (Hear.)
Mr. SPOONER said the debate was not adjourned in the
first instance with his consent; but he stated last night, and
he repeated now that he took the division upon the question
of adjournment this morning as a division upon the main
question.
Mr. KEOGH hoped that the Hon. Member would move
that the order be discharged.
Mr. SPOONER was not prepared to take that course.
Mr. KEOGH—Then the Hon. Gentleman abandons the
whole concern.
Mr. BOUVERIE protested against its being understood
that the division on the adjournment was to be taken as a
division on the main question.
The SPEAKER here informed the House that there was
no question before it.
Mr. HAMILTON moved that the report of the Commit-
tee of Ways and Means be brought up.
Mr. WILLIAMS was sorry that the question had been
given up, and declared his belief that the abandonment would
not satisfy the cluntry. It Was hie intention to have voted
for the inquiry, as he believed it was the wish of the Ro-
man Catholics to have it, and he regre ted that he had not
had an opportunity of voting upon the main question.
After a few words from Mr. ELLIOT,
Mr. HENRY HERBERT insisted that the Hon. Member
for North Warwickshire ought at once to move that the
order be discharged.2.--(Hear.)
Mr. MUNTZ said, it the Irish party sincerely wished to
before the House again, why not
arrange Ftriend the Member for North War-
thvaies thehirNes. itatohbjl ecehtitslin
it brcoooumeh on. He believed, however, that they
were sincere,ompsoor they
would not make interminable
speeches for the sake of delay.—(Hear.)
ColonelT a
Nas anxious to come to a bond fide
decision upon this subject, as he was pledged to his consti-
tuents not to vote in opposition to the College of Maynooth.
After a few words from Mr. MANGAN and Captain
SCOBELI,
Mr. SOTHERON said the character of the House was
being compromised by the manner in which this question was
being carried on, and he had therefore intended last night to
move that the debate be adjourned for three months, but,
owing to the empty state of the benches, he abstained' from
doing so. He begged to give notice that in the event of
the debate being resumed, he should move that amend-
ment (Hear, hear.)
Mr. KEOGH defended the Irish Members from the charge
of insincerity in desiring the continuance of this debate. The
fact was that the insin ce rity was on the side of the Govern-
ment, and he would, with the permission of the House, show
this to be the case. The Government had sent candidates
to Ireland, and in many instances had supplied those
candidate with money or with letters of introduction. He
could mention, for instance, that the Secretary for Ireland
had assisted ene of the cadidates in this way, and the House
might form some opinion of the sincerity of the Government
when he told them that their candidates pledged them-
selves, as public men, to support .the continuance of the
Maynooth grant, and vote for the repeal of the Ecclesiastical
Titles Bill. A Noble Lord, a Member of this House, had been
sent over to contest Dungarvon, and in his address he dis-
tinctly stated that he was favourable to the Maynooth
grant, and (Timed to the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill.—
(Hear, hear.) Now he wished to ask the Noble
Lord the Secretary for Ireland whether he had not
furnished the candidate with letters of introduction—money
he did not want? Again the county of Waterford was
being contested by Mr. Hutchinson, who was
supported by all the influence of the. Govern-
ment; and in his first address he stated that
he was in favour of the Maynooth grant, and ready to vote
for the repeal of the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill. This address
he issued in the morning, but he afterwards saw a clergyman
of the Established Church, and an address came out
in the afternoon without the passage to which he referred.—
(Hear, hear.) The fact was the Government was a mass of
insincerity, and the session of 1853 would prove as unsatis-
factory to their misguided supporters as the session of 1852.
Lord NAAS nne quite willing to answer the general ques-
tion of the lion. and Learned Member. The speech which
they had just heard from him was only another illustration
of the deadly hostility which he entertained' to all Govern-
ments, but with regard to the accusations which it contained,
he begged to state• that he entirely denied them.—(Hear,
hear.) lie had never supplied any candidates with either
letters or money, while his official duties would not allow
him the 'time no write their addresses.—(bear.) As for
the Noble Lord who was a candidate for Dungarvon, he
had not the honour of his acquaintance, neither had he ever
spoken to him; but, nevertheless, he must be permitted to
state that he could see no inconsistency in a gentleman being
a supporter of Lord Derby's Government, and yet not prepared
to withdraw the Maynooth grant or vote in favour of the
continuance of the Ecclesiastical Titles Bill.—(Hear, hear.)
For his own part he should have voted for the
motion of the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire, and
he would take that opportunity of publicly announcing
that he was not prepared without further inquiry to vote for
a repeal of the Maynooth grant.—( Hear, hear.)
Captain CORRIE said that he left the House this morn-
ing upon the understanding that no vote would be taken on
the main question, or he should have remained in his
seat.— (Hear, hear. )
Mr. B. OSBORNE was surprised to hear the Noble Lord
the Secretary for Ireland taur.t his Hon. and Learned Friend
the Member for Athlone with being an opponent
to all Governments. His flon. and Learned Friend was
only -the consistent opponent of those Governments
which showed utter indifference to the wants of
Ireland, and was rejoiced that Ireland had at
length an advocate in that House who had the ability, the
courage, and the will to make her wants known. The
Noble Lord was not accused of writing the addresses of the
candidates, but of working upon them in an anderhanded
manner.—(Hear, bear.) The Government was in fact no-
thing but an organized hypocrisy, and that hypocrisy was
nowhere so disgustingly manifested as it was at this moment
in Ireland.—(Hear, hear.) He appealed to the Hon.
Member for North Warwickshire to, move that the order be
discharged for the sake of protecting his own reputation.
Major BEItESFORD deprecated the waste of time in-
curred by this Maynooth question. With regard to the ob-
servation of the Honourable and Gallant Member
who last addressed the House, that the Gc-
vernment were indifferent to the wants of Ireland,
he could assure the House and the country that when the
proper time arrived Government would be found ready and
willing to redress such of the grievances in Ireland as might
be proved in Parliament.—(near, hear.)
Mr. BOUVERIE again appealed to the Hon. Member for
North Warwickshire to discharge the order.
Mr. SPOONER said he was satisfied with the division last
night, and be did not intend to take any further steps in the
matter himself.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HEYWOOD wanted to know some definite line of
Ministerial policy on Maynooth.
Mr. HEAOLASI 'thought Mr. Spooner ought to give an
answer to the question which had been put to hires.
Mr. SPOONER said it Was not his intention to take any
further stein
Mr. lIINDLEY observed that he moved the adjournment
last night on the ground of common sense.
The report was then received
MR. "ARGUS O'CONNOR.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE nominated the following Select Com-
mittee on a petition respecting hear us O'Connor, Eq. :
Mr. Walpole, Mr. Vernon Smith. Mr. Whiteside, Mr. Baines,
Mr. Mills, The O'Gorman Mahon, and Mr. Morgan John
O'Connell. •
Mr. F. FRENCH thought some disrespect had been
shown to the Hon. Member for St. Alban's (Mr. J. Bell)
is not placing him on the Committee, for he was the only
Member who had taken an active part in this matter.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE said:nis name had been omitted, as it
was expected that his evidence would be of value to the
Committee.

MILITI A.
SECRETARY at WAR, leave was
sus end the ballot for the militia.
CRIME AND OUTRAGE IN IRELAND.
Mr. NAOIER moved for leave to bring in a Bill to con-
tinue an Act of the 11th and 12th years of her present Ma-
givOenn tthoebrnriontgioinn ofa the
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to
jesty for the bettetr prevention of crime and outrage
in certain parts '3 Ireland. He said the necessity
for bringing to the 13ill rested on undisputed and in-
he Act which it proposed to
Was originally passed in 1847,
when Ireland was in a state of disturbance, and it had since
e coercion and gagging
been renewed by the late Government from time
to time, and the late
now was whether the
circumstances at those separate periods, and the
circumstances as they n_
rceonnetwroNf-oerrtiablefurfathc facts.
period,
mv existed were so substan-
a necessity for the Bill. It was easy
Bills among
those who had no actual knowledge of the provisions, but
he considered that if the Bill was looked into it would be
cryast o
against creat
found to be a wise and salutary measure.—( dear, hear.)
ttoiegilYetaulpikae
The ordinary law of the land was quite inadequate to cope
with crime in Ireland at the present time. The Bill gave
power to the Lord-Lieutenant, with the advice of the Privy
Council, to proclaim any Y particular locality, and to send
down an additional pee
• -ee force, and in certain localities where
crime was worst, to
. Put in force the principle of the old
Saxon law of charging the locality with the cost of the con-
stabulary, in order to
.. Make the inhabitants take an inte-
rest in the prevention of outrage. There was nothing coercive
in a provision of that sort. The Bill also applied the White-
soy code
T hos
to te districts which were in an insurrectionary
ate. here was,
I originally introduced h ,an important provision which was
persons who harboured
Y the Hon. Member for Hull, making
felons amenable to justice. The
Bill also enabled the Lord-Lieutenant
.
I surrender of fire•arre .
t—B in proclaimed districts, and o pre-
vent their being carried, except by persons properly licensed.
This would put a stop to the practices of these persons, who
laid in wait even in broad noon day to take the blood of in-
nocent men. If the Aet, which had worked well and had
been alministered without harshness and severity,
was allowed to expire, the House would remove the
only protection against outrage and crime in
Ireland, and leave
both property and life in a
state of insecurity, He therefore thought he was not
only justified, but bound in every sense ofgresponsibility, responsibility, to
ask for the renewal of the Act. He thought it would be
most injudicious to permit the cessation of those proclamations
of the Lord-Lieutenant which were now in force, and had
never. except in one case, been asked to be revoked. It was
true there was no general disturbance in Ireland, but there
existed a standing confederacy, which took advantage of
every grievaece, and of which Englishman could have no
idea; and he believed, indeed, very few understood its orga-
nization or real nature yet. It had complete unity of action,
and-was Proved to have extended its operation to Manchester,
Birmingham, Liverpool, and other large towns. It fastened
itself wherever a wrong was supposed to have been com-
mitted for the purpose of redressing it; it created such &reign
of terror in the country that evidence for a prosecution could
not be obtained ; and it a person did venture to give evidence
he and his family were intimidated by threatening notices.
So great was its influence, that even individuals of respect-
ability and standing were obliged to succumb to it, and hand
over large sums of money. Everything in fact was absorbed
in the vortex of a great confederacy. That being so, the
Government would be a most unworthy oce which left the
county without protection from a confederacy of such mag-
nitude. The Ilon and Learned Gentleman concluded by
moving for leave to bring in a Bill to continue the Crime and
outrage Act
Mr. LAWLESS having opposed the first introduction
of the Crime and Outrage Act, he felt it his duty to
.op-
pose this attempt to continue its operation. It certainly
was not fair of the Attorney-Geeeral to bring in this Bill.clt
at so late a period of the session, the effect of which
course of proceeding would be to keep Irish Members
.in
the Padre-
town two or three weeks before the end of .
ment, depriving them of all opportunity of addressing their
constituents before the general election. He should give
them every opposition in his power.
Mr. SCULLY was sorry to see this Parliament, which had
commenced in 1847 the system of coercing Ireland, was
also ending its existence in the same course of legislation.
They had it in evidence before the Crime and Outrage Com-
mittee, which had just been sitting, that this Act had proved
ten intolerable nuimuce in many parts of Ireland, and he

WEDSDAY EVENING,