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itht seia,, iawddnbriaedeeenpsarholorpeunaleddeydvbcaoytellmedfro.troutthheeyemwntii.on
' atten-
tionvr il Ithl
or the Mr.
jt
AheaUdHouse that the Hon. Member for 'Nadi); War-
wickehire
altered that intention, coming, as he did, down to Mtagdrinptl.acelid
newenvoertleehoen
ntdhwe..paapppeererteodretpeeahl
a.tvhee.
-it-s-peeth-ielVeuring of Rader-ball, ~EMoatoynirwoothitlahi
mo-
tion Mortaring still' more Strongly. of. Downing-street. _
people of this country should be taxed for
(TghtteaprleilpVieh aWtalfr tsh itiTh iet w e notprinciple et.rpevedailleitlilt%°rut wise thdaot°trre '
of a religion which they did not believe to be true.
was a^lardad and clear basie to go upon, and one ..in which
hi h
the people of 'entirely concur. ' But what
need was there of inquiry to establish that? WAS there
_.
`any personiwho denied- that the religion taught at M.."
nooth -was unbelievect in by the people' of this country.
It had been states ihat the object in foundieg the . College
of Maynooth was to pteserve the Irish clergy_ from tne
taint of.lptramontanism- by educating them in their own,
country.- .W so, that object,had. wonderfully .succeeded, for
it. would be tinpossible-to find a body of men more ,racy -of
the soil, or more thoroughly incorporated with the people
than the Roman Cathelic .priests of Ireland,.--01'r,1.
Six years ago' the 'Govehritent of this country obtained
niscript front 'Rdmo, the intention of which W 45 to letter
Irishthe -ecclesiaatice in their palitical priVilege.s; and the
prweof this cdulairY was MOSE,. ITitramontane to its' attacks
on thelrieh elergy,becxttse Of their disobedienee 'Co the Court
of Rome.-(Laughter. 'and - sheers'from' theOptiosition.)
Again, it was only thetitheredarthat a Peer' tit England
was found. clandestinely engaged in supplicating the infitt-
ence tittle:l-01y See ,as.-regarded the obstinacy of the.lrish,
priesthood--(lleac, hear. ) If the object of that House was
to denationalise 0r..t0 unpopularise 'the Irish clergy, .it had
commenced at the wrong end. "The ' Irish clergy had for •
Yea-rube& the IPadere -of the pee lei, for th!s reason-that
the people had no other-teadera. ' ' -lava of this country
Made' it penal to • thaelra-Rortian • tithtificld raad or write;
but the clergy, nevertheleigi'eathe'lri.tifid,tinght than how
to live and die.-e(ilear;hear.) :-Thelavre of.. this- country.
attempted-to make Roman Oetholicrsavages and serfs; but
.the clergy intervened, they marshalled theta into a nation,
,and,-..taught „them to be a people,--(Hear, hear.) .Let the
State change its pOlicylet it come-over and lead the people,
aricrihe clergy would most 'willingly deliver up the keys of
in 1
themeri.taGdLel4.-..e(DsiLeaNr,E___heasr.r)r, ir,
propose
to
favour of the "motion introduced by the'Efong.ivGeennit7l
Member for. North . Warwickehire. But" the subject is of
.
importance, `and' I.differ so widely in the spirit of .the speech
with which the lion. GeOleman has introduced and re
commended his Motion, thht I cannot Suffer it to be put.
to the vote in silence.--(Hear, heir.) Sir, I am not here
to contend that Parliament is bound by any compact to the
inainteuaneel Of the. Act that secures this .endowment. Ido
Gentleman
nivaonte the
not ;now -raise the question of what is- due to those indivi-
duals who are indebted to the maintenance of this college for
itlitrelihoed., I speak of the permanent-mainte,naneeefth
grant; and I disclaim all doctrines of compact.--(Hear, hear.)
But, Sir, "I must add, it appears to me that unless you can
Show by proofs that the objects and purposes of the endow-
'talent have -failed, and that the expectatioris 'you entertained
have been frustratectL.unless you can show all these, them
prudenet • and justice -demand the maintenance of the
endowment.- (Hear, . hear.) 'lt appears to me-that
if. failure cannot be shown-and I must say it would be
a .subject, of very grave- and serious-apprehension if this
failure were showd, beeande I confess I am surprised at the.
manner and tone in which the question has been approached
-that the, grant •ought not to. withdrawn.-(Hear.) It
appears to me that lion. Gentlemen seem to think it a small
matter to withdraw this endowment, but they forget that its
importance is not meaauredhy the figures that designate its •
endowment. They forget it is of material service as regards
the arraggementa existing .between England and Ireland.-
(Hear.) For my. own part I dO not say if this endloWe
ment can be shown to, be mischievous, and the expectations
formed have failed, that it ought to be maintained ; but I do-
venture to say that if Parliament withdraws the endowment,
it mast be prepared 'to' enter into the whole Subject, and be
prepared to reconstruct the ecclesiastical .arrangemetita--
(Hear.) I am not speaking of what is right --orj What is
wrong-I am not speaking of what is-to be desired or what,
is to be deprecated. • , For .my own' part,- I - deeply deplore_
the series of changes into which such a course would pre-.,
cipitate ‘us. But having - these antielpatious of the conse-
quences of such a polienif- we-begin in the form which I fear
the Hon. Member for. North Warwickshire would propose, I
think itis but honest that I should state them to the House.
- (Hear, hear.). Now, Sir, I must say., it appears to me that
this endowment.-(Hear, hear.) We_ have:not yet con-
no serious case has been made out to prove the failure of
i
pleted the cycle of seven years since this endowment was en-
larged. I think I en' correct in saying that: not a single
°lift theologye re tli collegetitight ,
the endowment - and I mai sure, Sir,
since the enlargement of- _
this
sattutdheentt
seminary interestedir inae . theielt, particularm ey nooth who course' e
no reasonable
act by magic on the sentiments . , , and habits of a whole gene-
man could that endowment was to
elthiisetpoaryinnfufli-rfeoiranmde'atnodhnejarerntrnhe...
ration -and an entire people.
language in which parts ofPiti
stances in the:state of Ireland have been referred to in the`
course of this night's debate.- Nothing is more easy, God'
knews, than •to make inflammatory. arid
exaspera-
ting statements, with - - regard' 'to the--'condition of
end nothing is more easy
that unhappy country,- - They may ban ,to _:retaliate upon those statements.
draw cheers and counter-sheers; 'llnd-may gratify feelings of
? (Hearh ') There,
sage and :happiness'' of the einuitry f
' ear'passed was a time, Sir, when the preambleof one o the Acts
._
zealots and partizans, but what does
_all this contribute to the
.
the exact"
something after this -manner; I do not quote .
inha-
bitants
Whereas. the Popish :words, but give the substance-"
in the Irish Parliament relating to the militia was framed
Ile that- the said inhabitahts ,
and whereas it itf• most -probable
will again and in a future time rebel; therefore be it en-
of thia.country have often broken out in rebellion,
wails. But
words was no longer represented. within these
acted -." Sir, I lipped that the spirit which dictated these
bat feel
re-
lation with sedition and , rebellion, I could not
War-
wickshire speak of, the _priests-of Maynooth and their re-
the danger we ran, nolesS we put a guard upon our-
selves when 'approaching such inflaming questions, of
being hurried back into -a temper of mind which in our
cooler moments we should deprecate, and of hazarding
disastrous consequences to-the-country which in those cooler,
moments we should deprecate.. Sit, I think the Hon. Memo
ber has mentioned points, and I think also there are other
points which might.forrn legitimate sucjects for Parliamen-
tary
.
tary inquiry in connection with the College 'of Maynooth
I frankly own, however, that I shouldrefer inquiry to have
taken place at a somewhat later period. It
that nothing can be more entirely consonant 'with wisdom
than that you-should wait at least until the pupils, in some
two or three years,: have •suceesafully gone through their
_
training, in order to attain some- practical experience of ,
proceed is scarcely ripe. ' At the same time,
their pastoral efficiency, and . their general conduct as
appears to me
compared. with that of the -older priests reared under
the former' syetem. This course,' I think,`it would be wise
to- follow, for at .presone the evidence : on which we. could
is made, we must not, only consider the expediency
which
dictated it, but,take a large view of the public interests, 'and
the consequences. hich might. follow- from resisting it.-,
(Hear,,. heat) .-I.tonfes; they fore that I thiek- air Hon.
.Triei- whb -spokes littelrfrotia•th:i h" - ppOsite bench, acted,
wisely. when he eclinikelled; . considering-the strong feeling
thrown in the wey,. If it be °has been alleged'
.there was ie this country in favour -of inquiry, that it as
for the interest of Maynooth that obstacles ehould not be
when a motion
the establishment is extra true, as
if it be true
(although; I believe, there- viegantly, large'
evidence to shOWY, that
at Maynooth there are the 8 .11°a
seva t only of educating
Roman CathOlic. priests fi.o. Ireland taut that there is a sun.
plus for England and the colonies-that;' --th tf I. say' ought not
Whether that be so o 8 ' a
however; the' Subjeet .is
one of legitimate 'inquiry: 11;"? are -entitled to Inquire
whether the 2,6;000/. a- year see momically, judiciouely,
that
and effectively employed for the •curposes which Parlianient ,
intended. Ney,i 1110 re i., I - say
—^beWNorth Warwickshire
those to which the lion,. At
has referred rand espect to the r for
at Blatmooth, as
to civil duties obligat• teaching
thank
slightest lons of allegiance; I do not
~
the' . disposition 'Would •be shown to 'withhold. la- .
quiry, although I confess my own belief that the'lloni ,
Member would . fiud-, te •'. • ' t inquiry'
' at upon that point . .
would end .where ,it here eali; the' 'louder/tote
Member has spoken te . - ri• ')--.--' hi, .cominis-
P hen` allegations *such as
. the- •report of t .-
ei°nerl °I. 'clucati°ll metier in• 1827. has dific id
whether he harg the duty of wading thronghat. If
he had I think he would have found that.these Commis-
sioners had sounded thuvery d it-
' vei) wai of teaching with respect
to oaths; and I doubt whether he ill attain different con-
eltisiett tlinh those ^ arrived itt by. these. Commissioners.
Theseare points- which intvp-h:., f Y;
' ''''lttutred into; but I confess
but
..I.F.d.oubt
when I pass from these points to, the general tone and spirit
appears to me his-main-charge against ,Maynooth Iva°,
of the speech of .the
that in it thatucated the doctrines of .the -Roman
Catholic faith.--( Hear, h
11"Obrable:.,Gentlentan; I Must say it
-ear-) -e• Sir, it was and is'a question
of ,the ..gravest ~character whether Parliament should enter
into-relations ,with ' the Romae Catholic Church on that
subect. But the fue..t;
e etall --
' untien.of minute 9. It li a question for the highest
' legislative Wisdom anctatites ~, e ._
41 -";P and ought nOt to be'
referred to the inquiry and' report ,01- !t- :, ~
ny Select Coinmittee.
And here I come to the limitations
1---;°°{lc'el .not depend upon an seams.
Which must be. imposed,
on thisinquhy. , Now; in the first place, I find that the Hon.-
:seconded. him, ,both looked ~n
1 Gentleman who moved the inquiry,
pon this ' inquiry- eifaply as a.
Isilltsies of eetithlishing certetno char on which they had
Made Up their minds L A
anstr AS a firet„aten in the process, they,
and the Noble Lerd who,
mopes! a, repeal. the Act and the withdrawal of the grant.;
./
,hepe, §ir, the Hon.oOntletnen kill
°uninderthe Gentleman
gulvidha°rie.:::::aseeYsi
not think Lam treat-
4ng hinitrith disrespect, when I say that a Seliet COMnaittee,
A SelectCommitthe
to be entrusted to his guidance:l", n:u.
cviewsm appointed
m like
itte Committee
nhwetehhei
,e.c.
h mastmo
sthi oonnuni
not be
fbae: a'l'ien;. 11 6
it 1 ; 0
ei 1
individual Meleber,""kklear; hear) It is ar &bit national
subjectis too large, and too .iiitip`oe'" ra,nett"te
rstielYttrtexibettotil.
let'
.;question
,whether .we 'shall Or shall net withdraws the
cendowinent of ,A Y,116(4- It is.a
question which at all
-'time
imaight tobe-dealt with by the v
.--.xCcatiye Government ;
and.l would -venture to-claim that the`inquiry nowpro
tt . .
that justlee tnat'vre ehould-
poiect eliall,. likewise fie
..e4.P..a.".,ted, tinder the immediate -
Executive GOiern- .
metite-411ear, hear.) . W ere libie Sir'-, to do impartial
' tice-to consider a , ~ ,
us like England Scotland, '
sitiirifitendenee.rod responsibility of the
and Ireland.
institute in;
It is-consistent with -
quiry into the state rif. the
But it
and the
system of education there. 1.1
of such
would not - be consistent
with justice that the conduct ett_, an inquiry should be
entrusted to any e rarliament ,however eminent
re 61- the ' Subjeoct
whose ''
and however great gt .
It °'
consistent is pledged to a
foregone conclusion. notis
under such with justice that
pointi orrt, and
inquiry ishoeld be conducted.
h h it is auspices.
,essential to
y, I contend,There is
jith
not to 9 into the general- ehafacter
• c nceive
b
that the inquiry ought
e Worship' 'and exercise of the Rof the doctrine, or' h
in.th Gone -mall
another lithitatiOnlbwmlece.nr(do-tu
Catholic 'religion as practisedi
whichgefeind. ed
e eof Ilaynooth.,--
(Hear, heat) ye - 'nee. I h ought not to be
entrusted to a .Seleet s-Eatial - . ,
oh a .. exer .av:' used the words
e o A isernlin 0, •' ~.. else .of the. Roman
'__‘ doctriee, , e r-theep are the wide and. comprehensive
Catholic reigical,N,h.. stn • fe. Nor are we without precee. words Containedran_t_2_ ,
endurable' Gentleman - • '
dentin -thfS ca.se.' 'rue - . ~.
tar, into ne,ayStem of education at-May
we should inq ,
rant that you may place a construction
nooth, and I fully F, mof -education," if not ruled and
' -these Words ' system . . _
upon -
e.orAets of Parliament, by the sense of
limited by the eons
by the precedents bearing on the case. '-
Still an inquiry,
1 the country, and
grant that under
these words the Honourable Gentleinan
. •
might be able to introduce such a largeness. of theological
would' satisfy oven • all appetites- in - that
'investigation„ as -;
l , .hear.). But, Sir, this is not the first time
;that there
1, _ Ia:1827 you. had the reeOrt of
that there has been inquiry... y
the College of "Maynooth, and
la Royal Conimission upon.,
din the Teport, and the eir-
,what were the views centime
- hich the Commissioners tided?' I will
letunstances tinder w
„. ;were quite as large as the Honour-
Oho* that fhb itistruetiOns ,
able Member himself eo
old wish Crown The Cwn in appointing
the Commission, havidgee r
ited the address of the 'House of
'ommons, and nominated the, individuals; directed them to
anquire into the nature Wild
extent of the instractione afforded
. by the ',Several institutions in
.Ireland established for the
maintained either in whole or in
purpose of education and They were to-inquire into the
part from the ..public .fundt
afforded -by th--
these in-
nature and wen; of the instruction

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stitutions. But, notwithstanding that direction, when
the Commission came to report, they prominently and. I
think, wisely stated : " Wedid not consider that it fell
11 within our province to examine into the tenets of the Roman
Catholic religion, except when they appeared to be connected
with the civil duties and relations of Roman Catholics, either
towards the State or towards their fell subjects." I con-
fess it appears to me that these wordy. l
soTim-partially and pre-
cisely state the scope of this inquir ou are entitled to in-
quire into the system of education, and of Roman Catholic
teaching, so far as it touches " the civil duties and relations"
of the inmates of the college. Beyond that you are not en-
titled tq go, and into the domain of theology
is the spirit
you. should be
precluded from entering..-- (Hear, hear.)
t
and intention in which former Acts of Parlian have been
framed. But I understood the Hon. Membee for
r North
Warwickshire to contend for something like a viei
Catholic
power with moped to the system of the Roman
Church as taught and exercised in the College of
.nooth. I understand it to be the gist of his argument th3a't
the Committee should have-power to inquire into that sys-
tem. But I say, on the contrary, that if you want to fulfil
and, adhere to the intentions of the Legislature, you hare no
riglet to touch that, except where the system bears upon the
queation of civil obedience and the relations.of
Cetholics -towards their. fellow-aubjecte. Whet. however,
ere the provisions o" the Acts which have been passe 1 ?
The Act of 1795 appointed trustees with visitatorial power?
The- Irish Parliament again in 1800 constituted cue body of
trustees to hold the property, and another to exercise the
visitatorial power. In the:Act of 1845 that power wan
continued, but the superior power of Parliament, wan res
served - a special provision being inserted, enabliagethe Lord
Lieutenant to ;order. a special visitation. The Act of 1845
contained the reservation that the reports of the
visitbkalMuld annually laid on the table of both Houses
of Parliainent.' I consider that reservation' to have been a
distinct recognitioo of the principle that the intention of
Parliament was to reserve its own full- and unimpaired
rights over the institution which it had founded, and that
therefore (setting ,apart the policy of the case), it is plain
you are ,exercising a power to which yon are entitled in
appointing a Committee.--( Hear, hear.) But the Hon.
Membir for North Warwickshire was quite in error when he
represented, or intended to represent, that Parliament had
appointed no means of Visiting the college with respect to
Roman Catholic discipline and instruction, and that,
therefore, it was the duty of Parliament to step in with
this Select Committee. On the contrary, if be reads the
Acts he cannot fail to perceive that Parliament has consti-
tuted a visitatorial power for specific purposes,- and- that
that power is finaL In the Act of .1800, and the Act of
1845, Parliament stated that any matter which regarded
the exercise of the Roman Catholic religion, doctrine, and dis-
cipline, should not be touched by the body of visitors at
large, bat by Roman Catholic visitors exclusively. No-
thing, I think, can be more clear than the statutes and
precedents with regard to this question—nothing can be
more clear than that Parliament, when it entered into these
arrangements, did not intend to place the members of the
Roman Catholic Church perpetually on tenter-hooks, end
bring it into opposition with the religious sentiments of the
people of this country. Parliament approached the sub-
ject in a statesmanlike spirit. It proceeded in the belief that
the Roman Catholic religion was a system well known
'in history—was a system whose merits had been tested by
a sufficiently long experience to enable Parliament to say
aye or nay to the question whether it would have relations
with it or not. Proceeding in that spirit, Parliament
did not condescend to accompany the boon with
insufferable conditions, and degrading and painful
reservations, but it provided a security against
the assaults of theological rivalry, and respected the
feelings and doctrines of those persons for whom the endow-
ment was intended. Parliament ash left to us ad clear patour
-
and clear rules by which we old now irect
Course. It is in conformity with those rules that I consent
to the inquiry of the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire.
But I assent to it with the strongest expression of my opi-
nion, that we should proceed on the principle of former years,
namely, that of placing this great and important interna-
tional question, not in private and individual hands, but un-
der the control and responsibility of the Executive Govern-
ment. I think, in obedience to that principle, we ought to
make our inquiry bond fide into the application of the Par-
liamentary grant for purposes which fall within the visita-
tion which Parliament has provided, adhering at the same
time to the terms and spirit of those important enactments
which do not permit any Select Committee to depart from
that spirit and those terms.—(Cheers.)
Mr. GRATTAN and Sir R. Learns rose together, and al-
though the latter Hon. Gentleman was strongly called for,
he gave way to the Hon. Member for the county of Meath.
The Hon. Gentleman said he was surprised at the course
taken by the Govern cent on this question ; they were wrong
in their principles, their premises, and their conclusions.—(A
laugh.) Parliament came to a settlement—an Irish settle-
ment—when they thought Ireland was going over to France,
and now they thought she might go again in the same direc-
tion they again interposed. They knew nothing of what
they were about.—(A laugh.) It was said that Maynooth
educated such a superabundance of priests that it afforded a
supply for the continent; whereas the fact was, that of the
priests actually' found necessary for the instruction of the
Roman Catholic 'poilulation of Ireland, no fewer than 140
had been edneatedon the continent. They talked of loyalty ;
what did they mean by loyalty ? What loyalty had their
ancestors shown to the unfortunate'monarch James II.? As
to the oath of allegiance,- the best oath of allegiance they
could adniinister. to the Roman Catholic clergy would be a
system of good government.
Sir R. H. INGLIS said that his Right Hon. Colleague,
'while admitting that there was no compact or contract be-
tween the Imperial Legislature and the College of Maynooth
which at all precluded the Imperial Legislature from acting
as it might think fit towards that college, had prevented any.
They must take care what they did in the matter, because if
they withdrew the grant. to Maynooth, they must also
re=arrange the whole ecclesiastical system in Ireland ; the
proposition had been vehemently cheered by the Gentlemen
sitting immediately behind his Right Hon. Friend, because
they foresaw in it the further confiscation of the property of
that Church—a confiscation begun some fiftee* years ago,
and which they would fain complete. Confiscation, he
would readily believe, was not in the mind of his Right Hon.
Friend, but it was prominently in the mind of his Right
Hen. Friend's cheerers.—(Hear hear.) His Right Hon.
Friend spoke of Maynooth as having been established by
Act of Parliament, and so had the Great Western Railway
or the Eastern Counties Railway; but Maynooth was not
so established tilt the last seven years. Afterwards he
admitted the case stood upon different ground, but up
to 1845 there was no shadow of a foundation fur the
claim as a right ; and now it was perfectly within the
discretion' of Parliament to pass a Bill to repeal the Act.
-But that was not the object of the present motion. The Se-
cretary of State for the Home Department, in a speech, the
language, tone, and manner of which were most temperate
end judicious, had clearly shown that the existing system'
of visitatorial inquiry did not in the slightest degree touch
the object which the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire
wished to bring before the House—that it was limited almost
entirely to the external fabric of the e.etablishnient,'and did
not affect- the- vital essence of the motion.—(Heat, hear.)
He (Sir R. Inglis) objected to the present motion, however,
that on the 11th of May, with the prospect of a dissolution
imminent in the course of the next three weeks or a month,
it was not desirable to engage in such an inquiry as was con-
.templated._ Still. when-he saw that the leaders of both
parties end the Hon. Member for the county of Limerick
concurred in that motion, he should vote for it sea recogni-
tion of the principle of inquiry, though he believed that
nothing more could result from it this session.
Mr. HUME believed it was the sound policy of this
country to conciliate Ireland, and to remove all causes of
discontent, so as to make her, as she ought to be, a tower of
strength to England, instead of being% ad she had been, a
source of weakness. The present proposition deserved a
much more serious consideration than it had received: It
was not a common inquiry that was proposed. We had given
to the Irish people an establishment in which they might
educate priests for their own religion, but Parliament had
never prescribed to them in what manner they should teach.
—(Hear.) For some time past they had been considering
how best to strengthen the defences of the country, and, he
asked, was it wise at such a time to press this motion, see-
Mg that every Irish Member who had spoken regarded it as
calculated' to promole increased discontent in that country ?
He looked upon the motion as most ill-timed and most un-
just, as tending to persecution and not to information, and
he should, therefore, vote against it.—(Hear.)
Lord PALMERSTON—Sir, I rise for the purpose of
stating very shortly the grounds why I constitute one of
.those exceptions, which my Honourable Friend by me was
at a loss to find,, who is prepared not to agree to this motion.
It is my intention, if the House divides, to vote both
against the amendment and the original motion.—(Hear,
hear.) Sir, I think that this House is entering on a very
unwise and dangerous course.—(Hear, hear.) I think they
are entering on a course which, if a Committee be granted,
nmust either end in a nullity or in very dangerous conse-
.quences. I think that no ground was laid for the motion of
the Honourable Member for North Warwickshire in the
speech which he made. I think, of that speech, that it
certainly
,does bring to mind the opinion entertained, by
some;Ahat the shades of departed men are wont to hover
over the scenes of their earthly occupations ; and if the shade
of Dr. Duigenan had been hovering over this debate, I can
imagine the grim delight with which his spectre would have
surveyed the scene.-411eari hear, and it laugh.) I-thought
we had got back to the times when the Catholic question
NM debated, and that they were not discussing the loci-
dental and, single question of the endowment .of the
th
: C..ollegefi
of, Mayppeth e fey what was thaliaeenf argument Did e
einber for eNorth Warwickshire adoptedg
'San any details of the system of education at, Maynootb —O. f
a system of education peculiar to that establishment? Did
he tell us what were the doctrines inculcated by the lecturers
'in what way the course of education was likely to defeat the
purposes for which the establishment was-framed? If he
did, I must confess that those parts of his speech-did 'not
catch my attention, but-I'did hear long •and
thelaboratindis-
sertations on the fundamental doctrines of.the Catholic'_reole
gion ; I did bear quotations from .writers =whom 8.11
Gentleman described as the Bacons of the Catholic Chiiran,
and I presume, therefore, that the .
_main ground on which
this inquiry is , proposed by him is, he believes, and no
doubt sincerely, that there are in the Catholich religion, or at
least in Catholic authoritiee, tenets which e considersow. tor
dboe
'at variance with-the welfare of a Protestsnit
not like enter into that question,bnt lam
that it is not by
that were a question fitles be entered on,
at
qeite sure, if
it can be pro-
wl inquiry into the College of Maynoothatale
perly entertalned.— (Hear, hear.) It Weviiii,:htedichthisaaset °enre,
great intended to be remedied—anwer _
of.llltramontane
Wend still to be prevailing—is _the p.o
and foreign influences and authorities eaelgreel:frimd.avnliuoot,thstll
wn remedy that by abolishing the Coll
who
and I am entitled to say that the withdrhe
from the College of Maynooth is the o eec
d by the
support
watiofd i-thhoeseg
this motion, because. that was fairly avowed
Noble Lord evho seconded
'Hear, hear.) He put the
question bd wal of the grant,
fairly. He said, This is. the first step; and the
object I had in VOW' is the entire wit ra
.Then, what is to be
. and the repeal of the existinge law."
will they come home
the' result of that? You aar
itoaaddrive your Irish Catholic
priests to be educittld.
with
ITltramontane doctrines
, from abroad less imbued
It
they had been educated
and foreign influences
aln__
It is absurd to suppose
at Maynooth? -(Cheers.,)
arise' from, such a proceed-
that ouch' a result
told also that some of those
lug.' When we mreelooth, 'instead' of being 'employed
who are educated at e
in Ireland; are" sent elsewhere, I think 'that has bean
infor Mayo, who
answered blanY Hon: Yriend the Member e
showed that the total-number of priests required for the
gearer.a)ter than the number educated at
supply of Ireland wa.!
As to the conduct of the Irish
Maynooth.—(aellr,
bishops, with which great fault has so justly been found, I
cannot see the conoexionbetwheuent
we
eact
tannadotthseheuntdoounr,meyenet
rce ar s
ems
from ees
tbhe
of the College of Maynooth;to and t th s
to the real tause of thisug
graest6edi .n' This mootioen
which it has been:s
has
feeling out of doors which
among the PrOtestant portionof the people of this country
hall not shrink from characterizing as the aggres-
at what I s
roceedings of the
(ive and vielent p Church of Rome.—
(Cheers. ) I do not wonder that these proceedings should
have produced a deep impression of resentment—nay, of
indignatioia, on the part of the Protestant portion of
the community; but don't7hecause the Church. of Rome
has done that of which the pebple of England have a
just right toot emplain—don't, I say, punish the Catho-
lic youth Ireland who Are intended for the priest-