The Sun.
London, England, 1852-05-04 00:00:00

.THE-ADJOURNED DEBATE

Mr. SLANEY then rose to move for a department,
Standing CoramitLee, or unpaid Commission, to con-
sider, and report from time to time, preven-
tive
and "remedial measures, to benefit, the social condi-
tion cif the working classes, and for removing legal and
other obBtacles to their improvement.
The
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER inter-
posed. lie thought it was understood last night that
the adjourned debate on the Mirti Bill was to be taken
the first thing this 1
a
evenin
a Lpealed t o he Hon.
ord J. USSELL wail also f that impres2ion, and
p
Mensbr.r to give way.
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Mr. SLANEY said as this wa3 a 1-:nbjct. in which he •
took a deep interest, and as it was not probable that he
should have azother opportunity OF addressing Parlia-
ment, must go on uc,les3 Government would under-
take to give him some future day.
The CHANCELLOR of the 'F,-xenEQuER said he i
could not pledge him2elt to give a particular day, but he

would take care that Hon. Gentlemen who bad motions
oa the paper to-night should not be placed in a disad-
vantage by giving way.
Mr. SLANEY said, under these circumstances, he
would consent to postpone his motion if other Hon.
Members would do the same.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said, though he was opposed to
the Militia Bill, he would give way to the adjourned
debate if the Chancellor of the Exchequer would fix a
day for him within this day fortnight; otherwise
he should feel it his public duty to proceed with his
motion. _ _ _

The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed
that the Hon. Member's motion at the early part of the
session stood first upon the paper, but on being called
upon he was not in his place.—(Hear, and laughter.)
Therefore he had lost a good opportunity through his
own fault. He (the Chancellor of the
.Exchequer) ac-
knowledged that a day sitting, at 12 o'clock, might be had
recourse to under extraordinary circumstances to facili-
tate business, but Ministers had something else to do
besides attending the House, and it was a great tax
upon their time to attend the House on Wednesday in
addition to discharging their other duties. To fix a
day for the Hon. Member would not be courteous to
the Hon. Member for Shrewsbury, who had so cour-
teously acceded to his suggestion. He could not give a
pledge, but he hoped to be able to place the Hon.
Member in an equivalent position before the close of
the session.
Mr. WALPOLE also urged the Hoe. Member to
withdraw his motion, which he eventually did.
THE MILITIA BILL—ADJOURNED DEBATE.
The order of the day for resuming the adjourned de-
bate on this Bill having been read,
Captain SCOBELL said he did not move the adjourn-
ment of the debate last night from any want of defer-
ence to the House, but because several Members were
anxious to speak who were not able:to catch the Speaker's
eye. Up to the present moment 1,000 petitions had been
presented against the Militia Bill, and scarcely one in
its favour. He apprehended no breach of the peace be-
tween nation and nation. It was only last year that her
Majesty, at the beginning of the session, annonnced that
she was at peace with all the rest of the world.
Scarcely any two Members agreed in opinion upon the
Bill. Some Honourable Members opposite connected
with the army thought that an increase of the
army would be infinitely preferable to this limping
militia ; but still, like good soldiers, they fol-
lowed their leader when the division took place. The
Learned Gentleman the Solicitor-General for Ireland
observed that a militia was not so expensive
as an invasion or a revolution, but no case had been
shown to prove that any rational fear need be enter-
tained of invasion, much less of a revolution. Such
observations were therefore beside the matter
under; discussion. The .same Learned Gentleman
also said that the apprehension of war was as inju-
rious as war itself. That was a strange observation
to come from such:a quarter, because it involved the
very argument which was used by the Honourable
Member for the West Riding, and the others who
supported him, viz., that it was this unneceasary
apprehension of war—this alarm of panic-mongers—that
c gave rise to the present Bill; bat he believed that in less.
'than a month her.ce the majority of the House
tlitld be of very different opinion in respect, to
. measure. The Learned Gentleman went on
tto say that in every age arms and agriculture
were the strength and glory of the nation. Now that
was a very fine plare.se, but he could not see its force or
application. He had listened to three very long debates
on the militia, but scarcely once heard any allusion made
to the navy, which was the greatest in the world.
The English navy exceeded all other navies taken
singly, end almost the combined navies of two or three
nations, It might be taken as a maximum that what-
ever Ration had the command of the sea,
that nation eyould be successful in ail its ex-
peditions; while, on the contrary, the nation
whose enemy commanded the sea, would have no success
inits expeditions, especially in those on a large scale. He
looked upon the narrowness of the channel between this
country and France to be of great advantage to England,
because from being narrow the channel wee more easily
watched. If any fears of invasion were really enter-
tained, and it W!!!.; not all sham, why was recourse not
had to the plan suggeet.cl by his Hon. Friend the
Member fur the West Riding, of bringing home
all the vessels that could be spared from foreign
stations for the purpose of protecting our shores.
He thought, however, there was an ample force
at borne to meet all danger. There were three line
of battle ships at Spithead and one at Plymouth,
with a total force on board of 3,350. On invasion be-
coming imminent, all they would have to do would be to
distribute these men in steam-vessels, and station
them along the coast., and our shores would be safe.
Napoleon admitted tha tunless he had the command of
the Channel for a week he never could invade England,
and he hoped that admission woald keep the country
alive to the importance of keeping the Channel safe.
Don't let them spend money uselessly upon militias, but
devote it to improving the harbours of refuge, where
the ships guarding our coast could retreat to in stormy
weather. The French had none of these harbours, at
least not in the same proportion as England;
and therefore, instead of wasting time upon
this Bill the House ought to directs attention to this
subject of harbours of refuge. He had no fear' of
war, but should it come he was convinced
tee progress of science would be as remark-
able on cur side as the enemy's. He ad-
mitted that he voted for the introduction of the
Bill of the Noble Lord the Member for London, but it
did not follow that because he supported its introduction
he must also vote for it in its future stages. He simply
wished to give the Noble Lord an opportunity of laying
his Bill on the table, and he must say that an unfair
means was taken to prevent his doing so. In conclusion
he begged to express his conviction that should another
war should occur, it would be found that England's
wooden walls were her best bulwarks.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir H. VERNEY said it was the universal opinion
of our great statesmen and our bravest generals that
our defences were defective, and it was their duty to
listen to the opinions of these men. In the event of
an invasion the Members of that House would not
be consulted as to the best mode of defence;
hat the question which would have to be decided was
where should Napier and where should Hardinge be
sent. Well, then, these men had pronounced our de-
fences defective, and so had the best French military
writers, and he insisted that it .was the duty of the
House not to wait until the danger arrived, but to take
time by the forelock and take care to be prepared for
every emergency.—(Hear, hear.) France had made
.
wonderful advances in the art of war spite
of her internal dissensions, and although it could
be against the interest of France to go towar with, yet
83 it did not'always happen that countries were guided
by their interests, it was the duty of the House to take
the precautionary measures which this Bill provided.
The plan ought to be carried out, however, with as little
interference as possible, and he would therefore suggest
that all party feeling should be set aside, both
by the Government and the Opposition, with
the view of ultimately devising some scheme
which should prove as little burdensome to the people
as was possible.—(Hear, hear.) Honourable Gentlemen
argued this question as if the Militia was unpopular
with tho people, because it had a tendency to render
the men engaged in it inclined to lead an immoral life
and they argued in this way upon the supposition that
the army was a school for immorality. Now he would
undertake in to say that so far tra that being the case the
regimeuts of the line were remarkable both
for morality and sobriety. There were some
bad men amongst them, but taken as a
whole their morality was unexceptionable, and the
same result, he was convinced, would attend a wise and
judicious embodiment of the militia.—(Hear.)
Mr. GRANTLEY BERKELEY rose and was

(LEFT SPEAKING.)

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MARKET IN TEL LIGEN CE.
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(From the London New Price Current, May 4.)
SUGAR —T O-t bodaayWve hetstolsne of Friday.diaSuga
r obtained in some
cases 6d Per cwt
A public sale
of 200 hhadfs6adn,dfiaB tree Barbadoes went with spirit at an
advance
yellow mid4o-
- for refiner's e yellow realizing 40s to 40s 6d, good
36s 6d to 38a
brown lumps 34e to 36a, ord 32s to 33s 6d, good
grainry
o-day the home trade demand was ac-
Ruin,32,._T e, and 34s per cwt.
49e 6d per cwt.
sergar, and stiffer rates were obtained,
MAURITIUS. Th
_ilng:t
,46a, and grocery from 46s 6d to
nactrfuuslhlefadrsmuegrarrattehse.re is a good deal
active request, and
doing for shipping,
bg,
waerrieseabtlodo;kmpi
afternoon Mauritius Sugar was in
auction 5,645 dlatcaegoofod6dyeplelarwcwwte.ntAatt
343 to 355, ord 323 6d
to 328, black 21s 64 t to 33s 6d, mid to fino brown 28s
34s 6d, middling graino 225, ord to good grey 31s to
ditto 40e to 453 per cwt,
EAST INDIA.--This aft,
611 per cwt. At auction I,7roao°
went at 24s 6d to 263 6d,
yellow 36s to 38s, and white
oba Madras Sugar advanced
yellow ags were sold, soft brown
ditto 27s to cos, good
and fine 31s to 323 6d. Bengal
12 mach
there is a further rise of 6d to 13 in demand, and
.
At auction 6,500 bags
were sold; good white Benares went
a
345 6d to 353 6d, ord 33e 6d to 345, damp
36s to 375, raid
334 to 363 6d, grainy white 44s to 455, men and washed
4ls to 41s 6d. ord to mid 34s 6d to 353 6de yellow ditto
fine brown
323 to 323 tid, good to fiae soft bright yellow 32s 6d to
33s 6d, and mid 29s per cwt.
FOREIGN.—To-day business of moment was prevented
in the Foreign Sugar market by a scanty supply. There
were ready buyers for shipping at prices fully equal
to
last week. None was ofTered at public sale.
COFFEE,—To-day Native Ceylon net with more at-
tention, and privately several parcels were sold at 43s
for good ord. None was offered et public sale. In
plantation less business was done, and prices slightly de-
clined, At auction 150 ties and 166 bge were mostly sold,
low mid to mid at 54s to 56e, fine tine ord 518 to 535,
good to fine ord 47s to 503, and triage 403 to 46a. Costa
Rica is much wanted, and a public sale of 899 bags went
et high prices, good ord selling at 45a to 46 fine fine
ord 473 to 538 per cwt. In Mocha much business is
doing privately at lull terms.
TEA.—There continues to be an extensive demand for
low to good common Congou both for consumption and

on speculation; priors are also still advancing, and ruie at
Bkd to 9d per lb. Orders are on the increase for other
kinds, with more firmness on the part of merchants; the
rates obtained for rather blackish leaf to blackish leaf
are 9,1 d to 10V, strong and Pekoe kinds lid to is sd.
In Souchoag important purchases have been made, the
prices obtained for common being 10d to lid, mid to
good is to Is 3d, and fine is 4d to is Bd. Oolong finds
a more ready sale, and rates have advanced, good to fine
realising Is Id to is 6d, and common to mid 10d to Is.
Pouchong has been selling at from 6d to Bd. A large
business has been concluded in Green, and rates have
an upward tendency; the quantity on offer of all kinds is
less than previously. Hyson of common and mid quality a
selling et is ld to is 4d, good to fine is 5d to 2s 2d ;
Young Hyson, ord 10d to 11d, mid to good Is to is 6d,
fine is 8d to 2s 2d; Gunpowder Canton 10d to ls; Hy-
son sorts, low to mid is 2d to is 7d, good to fine is 4d
to 3s 3d; Imperial 10d to 2s; Hyson skin 7d to Is;
Twankay 9d to Is; Caper 9d to Niel, and Scented lld
to Is 4d. The demand for Flowery Pekoe is brisk, and
prices are better, ruling at is 8d to 2s 8d for fine and
superior, other sorts is 3d to is 7d. For inferior Orange
Pekoe demand is not better, and common to mid can be
obtained at 10d to is, but of good to fine many parcels
have been sold at is Id to is 8d per lb.
RICE.—To-day operations in Rice were trifling, and
at auction 850 packets, 199 bags Bengal were only in
part sold at 9s 6d to 9s 9d for good bold white, being
low prices.
CINNAMON—There was a reluctance to operate at the
quarterly sales, and prices declined Id to 2d per lb for
Ceylon from firsts to best thirds, all under sustained the
previous currency. Of 1,472 bales offered 1,000 found
buyers; first sort went at 2a to 2s 9d, damaged is 10d to
2s 3d, 2nds is 4d to 2s, damaged Is to is 6d, third
and fourth sound is to is 7d, damaged 11d to is 3d, and
28 cases broken at Ild to is 6d for first, second, and
third sort.

SPlRlTS.—Demerara Rum, several parcels have been
sold at is lld to 2s 2d for 33 to 42 over proof. In East
India a good business is doing at is 4d proof. Leeward
Island is wanted at is 5d to la sid. The trade is yet
dull for Jamaica, and sellers are willing to accept for
choice marks 35 to 38 over proof 3s 4d to 4s, fine 2s 10d
to 3s 3d, good mid to good 32 to 34 over 2s 4d to 2s 9d,
middling 2s to 2s 3d, low 24 to 30 over is 10d to is 11d.
In Brandy sales have been of importance. The rates
paid for Cognac best brands of the vintage of 1851 are
4s 2d to 4s 4d, 1850 ditto 4s 5d to 4s 7d, 1849 ditto 4s
9d to 4s lid, 1848 ditto 5s 3d to 5s sd, older sorts 5s
9d to 6s 6d, low to mid 2s 4d to 4s, and Bordeaux la lld
to 2s. In British-mede Spirit a desire is evinced to sell
at 93 8d to 9s 9d net cash. Gin 22 under proof 8s 6d,
and 17 ditto 9s. Geneva is 9d to is 10d, and fine 2s Id
to 2a 4d per gallon. . _ _

COCHINEAL.—This afternoon the demand was not
better for Cochineal, and in some cases Id per lb. in ad-
vance was obtained. At auction 216 bags nearly all
sold, Honduras silvers at 3a 8d to 3s 10d, and ord to, mid
black 4s 2d to 4s 6d, but Mexican was taken in at 4a 2d
to 4a 3d to 4s 3d for black.
INDIGO.—There has again been a good business doing
in East India, both for shipping and home consumption,
priors have yet an upward tendency, and rule 4d to 6d
above last quarterly sales. For auction on the 11th,
only 7,355 chts are declared. For Spanish there are
free buyers, and at rates rather above those of this day
week. Guatemala is from 2s 10d to 5s sd, and Caracas
38 2d to 5s 6d per lb.
SALTPETRE.—This article is little required at pre-
sent. Of 2,260 bags Calcutta at auction a small
portion only found buyers: 41 per cent. refraction went
at 303 6d to 31s, and 14i to 6i ditto 26s 6d to 29s 6d.
fiannedd
MadrasTher e
22s sailors6dt
per
elewint.d s
Forat 1,61.
British 2R6 se,
sellers are willing to accept 29s 6d to 303. Nitrate of
Soda is wanted at 14s 9d to 153.
OlLS.—This afternoon at public sate 30 tuns of Seal
Oil sold at 281 103 to 301 lOs for brown to pale, 15 tuns
Southern ord and low 31/ to 321 103, 10 tuns Palm fine
and good 26s to 26s 9d, and small parcel of Madras
Cocoa Nut Oil 30s per cwt.
TALLow.—The market for Russian is firm, fine yel-
low Candle selling at 35s 9d to 36s per cwt. Operations
are upon a more extended scale for delivery, and there
are few sellers under 37s 6d for the last three
months of the year. A good sale exists for home
melted, and the value is 35s 9d to 36s per cwt nett cash.
At Auction 560 casks Australian were meaty sold ;
beef 82s 9d to 34a 9d ; mutton 32s 3d to 37s ; and 220
pkgs South American at 31s 3d to 35s 9d for lobe to
fine ; 150 cks East India Vegetable 38s 6d to 30, but
30 cks Petersburgh Soap were taken in at 34s per cwt.
PROVISIONS.—There is no further reduction for old
Irish Butter, and a large business has been done from
46s to 68s. Sales of new Limerick made at 72s to 7.4 s ;
Cork of fourth quality 60s to 525. Of foreign arrivals
extensive, and amounted to 12,420 casks last week, and are
prices declined 4s to 6s per cwt, but a large business has
been done; fine Friezland, and Kiel selling at 70s to 745,
The market for English has been dull, and there is a
decline; fine selling at 78s to 80s, other kinds 60s to 70s:
stale 503 to 565; and fresh 6s 6d to Its per dozen
pounds. In Bacon less business has been done, and
pieces have declined; Irish selling at 49s to 53s
for sizeable, and heavy 46s to 503. In mid-
dles a fair business has been done, bale at 44s to
465, and tierce 43s to 495, but the tendency is downwards.
In Pork an extensive business has been concluded chiefly
on Liverpool account, the rates Irish prime mess
70s per barrel, and Bacon mess 67s 6d; American
mess 67s 6d, and. India 105 s per tierce; these are
higher prices. A good sale exists for beef and the market
is firm; Irish India at 110 s to 1203 per tierce; prime
mess 955, and American 95s to 100 s. Fine pale Hams
are much in request, and other sorts sell more readily.
The value of Irish and English is from 46a to 60s. Only
a limited demand exists for Lard, sellers are willing to
accept for Irish bladdered 54s to 595; Keg and Firkin
463 to 525; Hamburgh bladdered 56s to 58s, and Ham-
burgh Cheese at 34s to 465; Dutch 28s to 465, and
Kanta IBs per cwt.
COURSE OF EXCHA

Amster:am .......... 12 1i

Ditto, three months.. 12 2 ily
Rotterdam • • .... 12 234
Antwerp .••••••• •• •• •• 25 65
13np32,3is 25 65
Ilamburgh •• • • • • M.B . 13 11%
Paris, 3 days'sight •• 25 45
Ditto, 3 months • . 25 62%
Marseilles • • •• •• •• 25 6234
Board ems .• .
Prankfort on. Maine.... 1223 f
80r1in.... • ... .. •• • •
Vienna, effee. tio •••• •• 12 36
Trieste, ditto.... • • .... 12 3S
Petersbargh,Bil. /Chia.. 37
Madrid • • • • ••• ••• • • •• •• 49%
Cadiz .. •• •• •• •• •• 49%
Barcelona •• ..........
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.NGE.-(THIS DAY.)
Leghorn •• •• •• •• •• •• 30 30
Genoa •• •• •• •• •• •• •• 25 623
Milan •• r• •• •• •• •• •• ••
Venice
.• •• .• •• • • .• ••

Naples .. •-•-•• •• 40%
Palermo, perms 121%
Stessina •• •• •• •• •• •• •• 122
153%
Oporto 531 i
Rio Janeiro •• ...... • •
•

Buenos Ayres -.-......... -..
New York, 60 days'aight
Philadelphia ..........

VSICIEB el BEILLION. ran oz,
Foreign Gold inbars ...i3 17 9
Portugal Gold Coin .. 0 0 0
Spanish Doubloons .. 0 0 0

- Now Dollars ...... 0 4 10%
Silver in bars ........ 0 4 11%

rHE LONDON GAZETTE.
(THIS EVENING.)

LORD CHAMBERLAIN'S OFFICE, APRIL 7, 1852.
Notice is hereby given, that her Majesty will hold
a Drawing-room, at St. James's Palace, on Thursday,
13th May next, at two o'clock, to celebrate her
Majesty's birth-day. N.B. The Knights of the several
orders are to appear in their collars.