The Sun.
London, England, 1852-02-21 00:00:00

open their eyes to the value of the stake they hatl,.
deiced, and call upon them for moderate exertions
its pr,servatioreyou will not tied the substitutes in t,::
land falling away from their colours; nor in Scott':
less disposed to show the manliness of their charbee,
nor iu Ireland will yon find them betrey the coon rft
which they belong. But 3Cu will have a force wt",
costing very little, will, at the same time, show to rao:
countries of the world that you are pieparetf, to caaeo
need, to defend the land you live in; and by that el'is
you will oppose with effect any attempt at inrie..
which a local force could not resist; and you will ,133bs
tale the country in that position of respect to vibie, r
every account it is so eminently entitled. I beg, .tui
fore, to move, in the words of m amendment, 501,!;°1„,
after the word " amend," the words ~ and eensolia
and to omit the word " local" before the word `evault
The Noble Lord resumed his seat amidst loud cheers'
The question having been put from the Chair, e
Mr. M. GIBSON wished to say a few words on:,
question. He regretted it should be thought necerit,i
to make those appeals to the voluntary conteniP,
danger which was said to pervade all classes of for
jesty's subjects. He had no doubt that it was so, bit',
did not think it necessary to go into that question. ,
isohroeu thelshould
h (I.do
deemedpubliclabouring
whicht
uhreirnewg awascsl
aa 8 matter
saensyeiet necessity
appeared
erfurexdtPeesPhno;ek4;6'olo,
any part of tho existing surplus of revenue to lsoc_r_.'o,
our army. Looking at the position of this F,,,enutig
portion there was a
of
with its growing population, and the great al°',st
oh)—or
is3e— stoodr wouldop inro l
of
fef
teoyhftt
policy,
Epee. i f
rrwyo
avyi
desirable,d
oi nfgthr ee remunerative utmnppeorl
boasytiibvlee , labourto s
o p
p;:: :Do
plus, as far as they could, to reveal SUCh . (0)
jesty'a subjects.—(Cries of " Oh, oh.") I/ w° the fr
happiness and contentment of lu3ied be i
a surplus existed, to apply went
peal of the most oppressive taxes, and thereby:e ell
mote the interests of the working class. If a"I egol
made out, however, for an increase in the nations
eass
ments, ho (Mr. M. Gibson) would not object t°ci vet el
H tameon
House
; washe tcna ollesuch
uponcase htaod
increase
ss madel out,he avar,noe,4lo
Ifeorri:
either in the manner proposed b her Majesty' s srt°"'
Tent or by the Noble Lord they Member for eialestic
Few or none of those who had soken On this q °
r 030
seemed to be aware of the source of the c 104,, 4
eresr- tbis 'l/;
to bo met, or of the probable employment-. OP":
creased force; but, nevertheless, the House w-uveet
on to reverse a course of policy which had bees Pia sec
by this country for thirty-seven years with s„igaen tie 01,rs:
ces', and to vote a large armed force on some '-'„ le'
mites of something that might possibly happeet.oross,
special reason adduced for this act was the weiarjenebt!
of the balance of power in Europe—the es`°--els VT.;
equilibrium—that was the statement of the '''-ieni °"
at the head of the G overtire, nt ; while the stslf 0s leo
the Noble Meuse, r for Tivertou was, that Erli4,e' ii vf6j
political interests in all parts of the world wilt,l'" use Pre'
necessary to protect and defend. Was the l'h°, ftill.°'
pared to give its sanction to this principle of t leg dist
pean equilibrium ? It they did, it was quiteenc to iseP
this country might be called on at any Ine°3-4000/ „fier
disputed one d i disputed utt
he
ed the p o
fern in continental politics. He (Mr. -"en 67,,
posing it was capable of being maintained; pauses °
Ipracticabilityicy o
ot the
e keepingbalance of
11-
be
61
the orb
Europe within the limits, either of territory er,s;trited;
propounded. He objected also to the politico!
bwo poll'
tlawialeyhi
aui
iedaihel
interests
tegthroeeet by
yes ritnhwedi
tical interests of England in his (Mr. Gibson's),,,4o,(ol;
and he could not consent to step be and thQ„leostce,i,..
tested strongly
with an armed force. epawrats,,ofththeerewfoorreld,.;Td" berci'd
the Pt /
this country, in the internal affsirs of other ee onle
against all interferenee, on tiost i
( 01417 f
(Hear, hear.) The Noble Member for Tivertotiled, ssid
treatiest
iNhf
fioenorbnetlhenHvietMhs iheemehrbet eshriosfit ertrqhileilui Tiverton'borii tueri :T. ::::::correeeil,
a regular and not a local militia; and be tseetlillt
the Government afraid to trust the people °` h 0111,,e
and Ireland—whether this one were cowards or tier, Gio'.
traitors? If the people were to be armed, be
son) did not know whether it would not be w'seterses
1f
hesitate before arming the people of Ireland (,11914
"oh,") not that he for an instant disputed tile , igeoll:i
the Irish people or devotion to the Crown, ,13,411800,
he was not quite sure they might not fee"' hoof*.
with some of their peculiar institutions. Forh
so it)
could it be expected that a Catholic people cif a rioter,
their hands would fight for the maintenance 0',,--fleorei,';
tent Church, which cost them immense sum 1".,
and was not of the slightest advantage to tr j-eed l;d
ENnogbilieshLinoridliti(aPtaolmlreerisatr,3
Viscount PALMERST.:())
England.
Nobll
Mr. GIBSON—That, however, showed that the
uorft
Lord had no confidence in the people of eitbgr.l3•°tia 11•11
The Home Secretary had said that a regular olillerefoi4
"an offensive force," and that he was not rtirecl gc;
prepared to agree to it. If the militia was 9'
i est°l)/
cording to the proposal of the Noble Lord (Ps° mere)
it would be an " offensive force," calculated teke 001
Europe. He (kr. Gibson) was surprised at tuornjeei
discrepancy of opinion that prevailed on the. ~f lb°
under discussion. The Noble Lord at the head °f
of Wellington and the Slaster-General of the 03,erri see
Government told the House be had consulted the II
on it; but the Noble Lord had certainly not t sv_issee
and
would,
byr in
.g however'
the - -
nllyutkhea
that
f
iadduvaiic
somee; fo for in
timein theago li et tritesrs,..wenterisodri,
stated he had advised the militia to be increased_%ess!
IT n
thei se di
last
vrthaer:awmheienhurawboeur,
ladndgiivne thse same IMo,o°°.
strevr eld
men, and so effectually to establish theforc_e_7:se'ho °_,l-
- army. He (Mr. Gibson) thought the .pocru'37 yea:.;
at least consider the possibility of peace. this &Otos
a particular policy had been acted one. by A&Orel,
through which peace was maintained. A en
, reasee °,O
policy was now proposed, and yet no epecial, hoe bee!
assigned assigned for its adoption which would nT. Belli°,o
Equally valid at any time in that long
this, there had never before been a large inert! 0 bet
national
armaments contemplateu without,rh t ap- •
The 00
made to it in the Speech from the Throne. his c .
however, said that all the foreign relations oersto) ea,
try were pacific; and the Noble Gerd (Pair°, amity vi i,ll
boasted that he lets England in a state °t
bat
otba' tb",'"e'
other flattens. And yet the Nellie Ler- "Ibad been °stet
a great portion of the time in question he , that a
Gl3. too-.
stantly urging on her Majesty's GOVervainiiiitio
of
country was not safe in the absence a ad
theofel rs
He (Mr. Gibson) had always considered ;he rerbe
periou
50
oi.tnf
England was best guarded by the nsv-Y, a,O was t° the
' f the Committee which sat two years could 'bereft)
same di co. I, tee
only effect. The arming of the tai" 1;
only be the first step towards that Pansdt Pas°'nee'rd—wirilii:rehlis
Committee in question so stronelY, c° ewer, W" 0
the interference of England, Lord gabi
nations of the Continent —(Hear.) The, A was bound,ej
no instance of any country which EngianS!
_,;,, appeif,lo
treaty to protect, except Portugal; but it note I 0
• hdralle- j
that Portugal vsas lefralefenceless by the wit .
_,, on tt _
British fret from the 'lingua, especially as it w",..,0:1013
bY "' on)
short time since the Portuguese fleet wag sold nibs
If he (Mr. abode
by the Government of iliacnation.
at issue, be "ant t°
was obliged to vote on the question
's G or109'; be
prefer the proposition of her
P I Majesty
ce) beclill)3 f'
that of the Noble Lord (Lorda inerstons, 013 0,
as a militaryiLie
considered the latter The a
Hson. inviting this coMiddles", fo
untry' ".„ pa
sensiee policy. Member for r
sneered at the peace party, and at the Hon. 54t1alista'
the West aiding of Yorkshire; but did that 1:1°,11;,,,i0gt
her mean to infer that peace was not a national u"...redi
a 8 peech
meeting o n thtoe
or that war was not a
ptohuasteeshoulds be whol
iiii
tsdf
The Noble Lord at the head of the Government hi b°
right glad the principle ghen
spoken at a peace-meeting, when he talked ot the
wilb
the sanction of such hih authoriH.
ramie rifles and needle. ii each (Aber
tio
~
u.
rd however,i
ty
0 f nations made
upPerte le
, a
man concluded by repeatinghad no wish toe
e
, , that he
ssuhhojoetct, which tet op,
h tbe f 1
the country -1
uerencetess, but the contrary. when To
cessity was shown for an increased atman'eP,t oiers'
nation had, however, entrusted the different tz _.lO
years with sifitco
merits of the country' for the last 37
funds (13:
er .
Raul
irab. ton)
Idet:
for its effectual protection; and he could noteeeori.
in a vote which would bo a direct censure on lb , eoi
nent persons who composed those Governeaent!og to
whose duty it was to see that these funds, amounit•e fed
bol'
16 millions a year, were duly expended. He _ . be
the country to be in an adequate state of defentedoet
believed the present panic had no foundation, °hoped,
it was got up for political purposes; and henveersi
therefore, that the House would not agree to the 5
proposition nor to the amendment.
hp, coat°
Lord J. RUSSELL—I can well understand b-- meta'
taken by my Right Hon. Friend and those 11°rbbt poll'
hers who usually act along with him. AV Rig e, co°.
Friend, as well as the Hon. Member for mow' coil
fBoidrceer. theN ocwo,uwn tilt sufficientlyeisve
force, and with every respect for the C AgHO a
rbyel
ibelief
f in
it
sdberfacynedreyditilbe.9l3:sgyaheotof
I do not at all thick it would be prudent for u" (off:
all the hopes, all the safety of England UPcb that lis tbei:
alone.—(Hear,) I am not doubting for a in°l33cee wit"
they would encounter any enemy they might ,131 og tbli
their usual bravery and success; but, censiuer.desieg'
state of the elements upon occasions, and e01:1310ere:
also, the manoeuvres which such enemy aligb.lbi th.le
course to, I do not think that it is always Pess.,„l et'aes°:'
would chance to meet with that enemy. *it As to;
therefore, now, any more than in 1848, exPre'escerq
belief that it is sale for this country to rest berg' bsvo,
exclusively upon her naval deteeces.—(Liesr) hers.
~,,,
then, the army; which, eccurding to its liti!vot favra
I am free to admit, a most valueble and etnasoiSi
But the army is not sufficient in point t nod of
to cover the wide extent of coast presee
.s,le ;
, e OP esigb
this country; and therefore it is not, ,fiy 1." el
preventing invasion. I therefore differ from.-y 101. r
Hon. Friend as to the necessity of an euxilieors, 00,
such as is proposed in the militia. I shall not vii by If
into the question of the balance of power raiseafter 130'..
Right Hon. Friend, further than to say, that,. :nclePeo•
the whole rests upon the:questiou of nation ;he Nice
dente.—(Cheers.) We pet it every year 151_119„,ecleta,
tiny Act, and it is the principle of that i5t,"70.0 a i',:,
that there should be no power in Europe 0.1 7 , ands o'f
uillity
tore or magnitude as to menace the trawl . tbetigihs
dependence of other powers.--(Hear.) 8,,.. sty Pros
clearly understand the position taken UP
_Yiiiii, 115 .00
Hon. Friend, as opposed on principle to the_ °co.,
confess that I do not at all understand.ntef4,,ect '_.,
taken up by the Noble Lord (Palmerston) 10
_rrtit;i9 ooc_
it. For the Noble Lord has come forward n Bill ",
• a 0, • 0
the ground of principle—not to propose ~1 to tell ,i',
casion, not to dispute the second reeding
.`ts trbeief.,stio
,be;
but
ono pie pay
alteration in any of its other stages;
Minister of tho Crown that he shall ns3 Prof'