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of words to provide that they should be abolished en-
tirely, except, for the per of the mere duty of
con-
tained in tne latter part of the Bill—and not for the pur-
wiadieg up the business befooe them, which vas
pose of doing any matters which the Lord Chancellor
might hereafter direct.
Mr. 11E ADLA tal mered the omission of the clause.
Mr. WALPOLE defended its retention, for the whole
Bill was based upon the fact that tho Masters' Office was j
to be abolished.
The clause, as amended, Rai then agreed to.
Oa the next clause being proposed,
The MASTER of the ROLLS moved an amendment
reducing the number of Masters in Chancery to two in-
stead of four.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL thought it was much
better to leave the clause as it stood.
Mr. AGLIONBY twirl. it would bo no benefit to the
public reducing the number of these officers, if their
salaries were not also to he reduced.
Mr. HENLEY said the Hon, Member nppeaved to
thick that tide Bill viral a Mere matter of
pounds, shil-
lings, end pence, instead of looking at it as a matter cel-
oul Jed to centre' a great benefit on the. public.
Mr. ELLICE thanked the Commissioners for the at-
tention they had given to the sueject.
Mr. CARTER thonght that if these gentlemen were
to be paid their salaries, they entaht to have the advan-
tage of their se:vices, inai,folch as the beano, hitherto
done by them should now be done by others.
Mr. WALPOLE s aid it would be most unjust to ask
these Masters to undertake the duties of the inferior
officeve.
Mr. OSWALD objected to the Bill that whilst the Ist
clause abolished the office of Master the 3d clause left
it in the newer of the Lord Chancellor to retain the
whole stall' of Masters.
Mr. WALPOLE said that the deice of Master was
abolished by the Ist clauae. By the 3.1 clause only so
many Masters were retained as were necessary to carry
on the hu,iness now in the office. As soon as that busi-
ness was dispatched those Masters would retire.
The clause was then agreed to, as was clause 4.
Clauses 5 and 6 were postponed.
Clauses from 7 to 11 inclusive were agreed to, with
verbal amendments.
On clause 12, which provides for the hiring of cham-
bers for the accommodation of the judgesacting. under
the: Gill,
The MASTER of the ROLLS urged the propriety of
retaining the building known as " Southampton-build-
ings," as a more suitable place for the transaction of bu-
siness, and as being more consistent with the dignity of
the proposed office, than dispersed chambers inLincoln's-
inn. The Right Hon. and Learned Gentleman concluded
by moving as an amendment of the clause, in conformity
with his views, to insert the words "In the meantime
convenient chambers in the building now occupied by
the Masters and other officers of the said court, in
Southampton-buildings, Chancery-lane,
shall be appro-
priated for the purpose, provided that the chamber busi-
ness of the Master of the Rails, or any part thereof, may,
if, and so long, as he shall think fit, be carried on at the
Rolls House, Rolls-yard, Chancery-lane."
Mr. WALPOLE said it was considered essential to
the efficient working of the measure that the business
shoultl be carried on as much as possible under the per-
sonal supervision of the judges, without any interruption
from change of place and distance.
Sir J. GRAHAM said there were three sets of cham
bers vacant at Southampton.' buildings fur the thre.eVice-
Chancellors, and it did not seem requisite to provide other
was ageed to.
r
chambers for the purpose in Lincoln's Intl. The matter
had been discussed in the Commission, and the conclu-
sion arrived at was, that it would be better to retain
Southampton-buildings.
The SOLICITOR-GENERAL suggested the omission
of the words in the clause referring to the question until
the report.
The clause
13,use 14,0 15, and 16 werenthisunderstanding reed to.
Clauses also
ag
On clause 17, relative to the chief clerks,
The MASTER of the ROLLS proposed a verbal
amendment.—Agreed to.
Clauses
17 to 51 inclusive were then agreed to, ex-
elousstipv oen
e odf. clause 44, which, as a money clause, was
On clause 5 being brought up,
Mr. CARTER proposed to make such a reduction in 1
p.
the retiring salary of the Masters as would leave them
two-thirds of the amount.
Mr. WALPOLE said when the uppointrnonts were
made they were made for life, and it was, therefore but
eqnitable that the parties should be secured the full
amount of their salary when their offices were taken
away. He hoped the House would not agree to the
amendment.
Mt. CARTER thought the Masters would be amply
paid for past services on for any services they could pos-
sibly render to the country by two-thirds of the large
salaries they had been accustomed to receive.
Mr. R. PALMER thought it would be contrary to
the principle that House had always acted upon towards
vested interests—namely, to secure the whole amount
of salaries which otherwise would be secured to them
for life if they adopted the amendment. He thought,
however, that if full salaries were paid, parties receiv-
ing salaries ought to perform services for them either
in their own office or in some other office,—(gear.)
Mr. ANSTEY thought it would be unwise tP part
with those four judges, and to lose all control over them,
as proposed by the clause. The effect of the clause was
to give a boon to the gentlemen who were to retire—it
was, in fact, to increase their retiring allowance. He
thought those gentlemen ought to he at the command
of the Lord Chancellor, to be employed i° any ".."7
which might assist in working out taose reforms which
were in progress.
Mr. WALPOLE defended the clause as it stood.
After some further discussion the Committee divided,
when there appeared:—
For the amendment ... 10
Against it "• ...
...
...
' a 90
Majority , "' • —BO
The clause was ordered to
•••
... •••
Clause 6 was also agreed to. -
Clause 43 was next adopted.
Clause 44 having been proposed
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE
zaoyed the following amend-
ment :—" To omit utter the Words , it shall be lawful'
all the words to the end of the el and to substitute
the following :—For every person who on the first day
stand part of the Bill.
of Hilary Term, 1852. held the office of chief cierk to
any of the Masters in ordinary of the said Court or
Chancery, and who is not hereby •
to the Master of the Rolls, or to of the Vice Chan-
cellors, under the authority or
this Act D on the Master
appointed
to whom he shall be such chief clerk beingp released from
the duties as such Master, under theauthority of this
Act, to continue to be entitled to -
during his life,
by way of retiring pension, the full amount of his 89,
lary as such chief clerk, such salary to be paid and
payable out of such funds and ill s such manner a
after in that behalf directed."
herein-
After a short conversation, a chief clerk
Mr. WALPOLE expressed •
principle of the amendment.
Mr. T. DUNCOMBE said h
satisfied to leave
the matter in the hands of
then
6 N''as
e R , Gentleman.
The amendment was then - leht Hon. . ,
Wlthdrawn, and the walls" was agreed to.
The MASTER of the ROLLS •
a the inser-
Ina readiness to adept the
move-
lawful for the Lord Chattoeic
with the of the following clause.___,,
it
sent of the Commissioners ot or,
law
...
esty's con-
curTrea-
y, by an order made on petition her
presented
to him
for that purpose, to orders(if he
think fit) to be
id to any person eXeCtlting the shall
chief clerk or
unto clerk to the Master obelie
Office of
Rolls, or any of the
Vice-Chancellors, who shall affi e
person shall ha 'th
manent infirmity disabling hi, leo' tedowco
execution
of his office, and shall be desirous 13! tt' a the same
an annuity, not exceeding tw.4lshalleom p
ebre,
resigning_
yearly
d parts of the
- entitled to at the time
petition, and
0 id and payable at
the same time, and out of the earn©af
n_e,
d as compene
sations under this Act are directed to beti aid."
Agreed to. p
The remaining clauses were then
salary aprryeswe
resenting
such
snoh
Bill was reported.
Mr. WALPOLE said hewish"
to take that oppor-
tunity to express, on behalf of ,
- ' her Majesty's
ment, their deep sense of the assicluit learning,
and
Govern-
ability exhibited by the members of 379
agreed to,
Com-
mission in drawing up their re, tho Chancery.
Port, and which report
and the
her Majesty's Ministers had en t, 3 far
as
a was
duo to those gentlemen for thus referee' Great credit
the law; and, in particular, the Lord Chancellor,
and improving
possible, to carry out.—(Hear, hearr.3veured,
whose
' SieJ . GRAHAM regretted that
exertions had been most unTenaittling Et
ever have been thrown on the interita doubt should_.
Chancellor. In every communication th:
Heveianr7hdeahrij. ti
deehy had had with
measure.--(Hear,
thecae slt
ulhorare:. —he(
strict
Noble and Learned Lord had accepted the 1 since that_o
tt:lciapeneor::i.tsehetyweoilarntohb.rye.a..
hi
seal he
hthhaaedl f LoaecfrtclethdCiswh
which ever characterised him, and which at g h
sontou
well became his great professional ability
and exalted
Qnd
rank and position.—(Hear, hear.)
The House then resumed.
The Metropolitan Sewers Bill was read a second time.
read a third
time.
The Hereditary Casual Revenues in the Colonies Bill
went
through en .
The Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill was
and the Pharmacy Bill . --nktutttee.
The House then resumed, and adjourned at Half-past
One o'clock.

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