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London, England, 1852-03-23 00:00:00

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MARCH 23, 185:4.

Mr. Justice TALFOTTRD said that the inclination of his
mind was that in form the document did amount to a
promissory note, but that he had considerable doubt
whether it was admissablo without a stamp. However,
the better course would be to let the case go to the
jury, and then he would, if necessary, reserve the point
for the consideration of the Court for Crown cases re-
served.

Mr. Cox then addressed the jury for the prisoner, and
Mr. Justice TAuromm having summed up, the jury
found the prisoner Guilty.
Mr. Justice TALFOURD then said ho should respite
the judgments and reserve the point for the consideration
of the Court 'above.
The prisoner was then indicted for a larceny of the
same document, to which he pleaded guilty, and was sen-
tenced to six months' imprisonment.

of disbanded foreign corps, of pensions to wounded fo-
reign officers, and of allowances to the widows and cLil-
dren of deceased foreign officers.
119,3871. for pensions to be paid to widows of officers
of her Majesty's land forces.
83,0001. fJr allowances on tho corupssionate list of
allowances as of her Majesty's royal bounty, and of
pensions, gratuitios, and allowances to officers for

wounds.—Agreed to.
On the vote 28,815/. for Chelsea and Kilmaiuham
Hospitals being proposed,
Mr. GROGAN wished to call the attention of the
Government to the discussions that took place last year
upon this subject. He perceived that a considerable re-
duction had been made in the number of pen:.ioners in
Kilmainham Hospital. That, he believed, resulted in
consequence of a letter written by the former Secretary
at War (Mr. F. Maude). The subject was one of grwat
interest and importance to the cit:z ns of Dublin, and to
the army serving in Ireland. The late Government
were, he believed, most anxious that this inst►tution
should be abolished, and if the letter to winch he had
referred was not recalled, the hospital would soon be
put an end to. His object now was to obtain a promise,
if he could, from the present Government teat that
establishment would be kept up. In saying so much
ho believed that he was but speaking the sentiments of
every Irish M.emb.er in that House, who concurred in
deprecating the system of centralization which charac-
terised the policy of the late Government.
Mr. BERESFORD said that this subject had engaged
his attention before ho had the honour of being con-
nected with the Government. He acknowledged that
his nationality had greatly influenced his vote on former
occasions in opposing the efforts made by the late Go-
vernment to abolish lEilmainham Hospital. But now
that he was Secretary at War he did not think that he
would be quite justified iu going against the recom-
mendation of that House in declining to adopt the esti-
mate as he found it. Ho only wished he had the power
now of recalling the letter which had been written by
the former Secretary at War upon the subject. He did
not think ho could give any further explanation upon the
subject. _ _ _

Mr. F. MAULE was glad to hear that the Right Hon.
Gentleman intended to adopt the reconimen :aticn of
the House upon this subject. The question had been
discussed more than once, and it had been fully inquired
into by a Committee that had sat more than two years.
They came to the decided opinion that the two estab-
lishments were unnecessary for the service of the army.
He could easily believe that Irishmen might feel some-
what sore at the reduction of such bra establishment;
but at the same time it might be devoted to some
other public purpose in Ireland far more useful to
the Irish people than it at present was. It was
proposed to convert it to the purpose of an artillery bar-
rack. He confessed it was the object of the late Go-
vernment, neither more nor less, than to do away with
it altogether. The letter which he had written on the
subject was for the purpose of preventing the vacancies
as they occurred in the hospital being filled up. The
late Government intended that there should be only one
establishment for the retired soldiers of the army. He
was informed that, even if he had not written that letter,
the }lumber in the hospital would necessarily have been 1
reduced, from the circumstance of there being no appli-
cations from pensioners to get into it.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER could
assure the Hon. Member for Dublin ho quite sympa-
thised with him in the view he took of this subject. It
was, however, considered desirable, under present cir-
cumstances, that no alteration should be made in the es-
timates of their predecessors; but he did not wish the
Hon. Member to understand that the Government were
opposed to a reconsideration of the question. The
question would be reconsidered in a fair and candid
spirit, whether the Governulent could, consistently with
their views, take such a course as would have the effect
of continuing Kilmainham Hospital for the purposes for
which it was originally established.—(Hear.)
Mr. HU NIE was sorry to hear such a statement from
the Right Hon. Gentleman; for if any question met with
general unanimity it was that regarding the propriety of
abolishing this hospital, It was quite unnecessary fur
the Right Hon. Gentleman to make such an observation
as had just fallen from him. He hoped that before the
Government would reconsider the recommendation that
they had come to on the subject, they would first iequire
whether there was any evidence that could set aside the
strong facts that had already been laid before them.
Colonel DUNNE said he was certain that the people
of Dublin would be most happy at hearing the Crian.
cellor of the Exchequer declare that the question would
be reconsidered. Ne thing could be more unpopular in
Ireland than the attempt to remove this hospital, because
it was unjust. He could assure the Right Hon. Gentle-
man opposite (&lr. F. Maule) that there were several
pensioners most anxious to. enter the hospital. As an
Irishman and a soldier he felt grateful to the Chancellor
of the Exchequer for saying that the Government in-
tended to reconsider this question.—(Hear.)
Sir H. W. BARRON said the observation of the
Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer
would undoubtedly give great satisfaction to the Irish
people. He complained of the unanimity which gene-
rally existed amongst the English and Scotch Members
to deprive Ireland of everything that was of advantage
to her.

Mr. FORBES disclaimed for himself having ever been
influenced by such a feeling.
Mr. HUMS begged to contradict the lion. Gentleman
as tar as be was individually concerned, and challenged
him to mention one instance in which he had given a
vote against the interests of Ireland.
_ _

Colonel FREEST UN wished to ask his lion. and Gal-

lent Friend whether he intended to renew his annual
motion respecting the uniform and accoutrements of the
army ?
Colonel DUNNE said, as a member of the Govern-
ment, he could not give any promise on the subject.—
(Ironical cheers.)
Mr. W. WILLIAMS having made a brief observation,
Tho vote was agreed to.
1,226,8031. for out-pensioners of Chelsea Hospital ; for
pensions granted to discharged negro soldiers ; for pen-
sioners from the Hanoverian corps which served with
the British army in 1793, 1794, and 1795, and fur the
military organization of out-pensioners in the United
Kingdom.—Agreed to.
37,500/. for allowances, compensations, and emolu-
ments, in the nature of superannuation or retired al-
lowances, to persons formerly belonging to the several
public departments.—Agreed to.
On the question that the report be received,
Mr. HORSM AN rose to ask a question in reference
to the arms with which the troops were supplied.
Major BERESFORD said that the question of arms
applied more to the Ordnance department than to his.
The report was then ordered to be received.
Sir G. PECHELL said that they were now about to
propose a ♦ote for the navy—
Mr. BERNAL (interrupting) informed the Hon. and
Gallant Member that there was no actual question before
the Committee.
NAVY ESTIMATES.

On the question that 134,6331. be granted for the
in all his experience during
salaries of the officers of the Admiralty-office,
upon the navy estimates, ho
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s,
had never known so large and important an estimate
brought forward for the navy without some explanation
being offered as to the administrative affairs of that de-
partment. He congratulated the officers of the navy
generally upon the appointment to the head of the Ad-
miralty of an officer of such distinguished talent as the
Duke of Northumberland, and he trusted that he would
carry out the views ho had always entertained on behalf
of the service. He also highly eulogised the services of
Admiral Sir H. Parker during the late war. With re-
gard to the future naval policy of the new Government,
he wished to have had some explanation. Did they
mean to keep up the African squsdron in its present
efficiency, or did they mean to withdraw it? In what
way did they mean to carry out the promotion in the
navy in future? Did they intend to carry out the policy
of the late Government with respect to the
entry of cadets? He complained of the indirecit
.e
in-
fluence that was always exercised in the
With regard
trusted the system would be put an end to.
_Wiet
ofwar
partraent with „regard to these appointments, and he
to the system of carrying specie on board of I.?
respect,
and even
to this country, he had frequently cons
favouritism that was practised in thisd the Mexican Go-
vernmentstrong remonstrances bad been rot' by
ewhich this was d
piainsned of the
one,
a sum than
Sines 1819 he found that
no lessthe conveyance of 1,454,5041.
regarding the manner in
had been paid by the pat
for . specie
had
of ships, and 363,3251.
a sum left of 1,095 576/,
been paid to captains
.eto admirals
several stations from abroad to this country; 729,5001. of that SUM
and commodores on the where it was
embarked. Now if they only Greenwichgavenatbe
the sum to which it was entitled— af, o
)nurtht Hospitalhe,
re-
363,5251, there would be or
and pensions of
would bo available as a fund for the gentlemen' . which
v officers who had distinguished pay and
With
naval
ntllheiethperavhe nor his consti-
tuentstriergeadr
dlistto,
aanndatifoonralini:aassioin:
fur-
ther grants for such a
had much to fear of it.'
what they hadpese—let them make use of
ought to have a fleete objected to any
years ago they were told they
Ports-
mouth, and every off Somepur
got.
the public mind,
pass increased orderestimates. at the Nero and another at t
was made to produce a panic in
in orate to
however,enable the Government to
against any vote for additionals national defe
npereos,e d
and
hoped, before the vote was passed, some explanation
would begivon of tho naval policy of the new Govern-
ment. _ _

Mr. A. STAFFORD assured the Hon. and Gallant
Gentleman and the Committee that it was from no dis-
respect to them that he had not made any statement
when the estimates wore brought forward, but in
deference to the wishes of those who thought the esti-
mates ought to be gone through as speedily as possible,
with a view to the dissolution which was so much de-
sired by the other side of the House. He deprecated
as strongly as the Hon. and
Gallant Gentleman the
system of Parliamentary jobbing existing in the dock-
yards, and ho hoped that the steps that were now being
taken would pctwas, as
end
wteol it: known,As raegvaerxdeedd
andthe difficult African
there was to be an African squadron at all
mustit esquadron,stion
an efficient one, or it would do more harm
qub7
than good. The Board of Admiralty, however, bad
nothing
itnog do
they withs s
tietms continuance
nominating
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gn
Respthe influence of Duchesses_ and Marchionesses, as the
Honourable and ()reliant Officer termed it— that
would, in future, be strictly limited, and the
policy laid down by the late Government closely ad-
hered to. They were most desirous to keep down the
dead weight, and the only wny to do it in that depart-
ment was to keep down the number of naval cadets,
With regard to the conveyance of specie the evil was
remedying it every dsy, as less came evr,r in ships; f,t'
war evvry year. Seeing in,t the present Board fad
been only about ten days in office, they could not in
that time have accomplished any very extensive changes;
but they were most anxious to promote the due economy
and efficiency of
ever' branch of the naval 1191"6040.