The Sun.
London, England, 1852-01-13 00:00:00

masters to submit to what they considered a dictation on
their virt. He had been most anxious to see the matter
a' subject of amicable reasoning between masters
and men, and, had that been done, they would have
settled the London trade for many years to como. The
masters had no right to look out for any future pro-
gramme, or to suppose each would be issued at any
future pried. If the masters had met their men the
trade of London would have been freed for many years
from thote they termed " platform demagogues." He
remembered on former eceasions the men had been
treated with the greatest courtesy when they waited on
their masters, though appearing'in a hostile position to
them, but now, unfurtunttely, they had got a person for
their secretary who stood between them and the men,
and whose works and writings were calculated to excite
feelings of hostility between the two.—(Cheers.) Carry-
ing out that reeolve, cud speaking of it in an abstract
sense, wore two very different things, and they must get
oui of :he position in which they were placed; for to
live in idleness on the industry of others wise what
they detested. He was sorry the employers had been
so indiscreet as to turn out men who they knew had
nothing to depend on—(Cheers)—the very men whom
they bad been praising as indepen.lent, but whom they
npw forced to depend on the society. Tie masters, by
acting so, had done the very thing they wished to
avoid; they had forced the men to union, while it was
union they sought to destroy.—(llear, hear.) They
showed the men union was the only thing to fall back
upon whenever the employers took it into liteir beads to
turn them out on the world, and shut their gates upon
them. It appeared that the principle of the resolution
had taken a wider tone than he had imagined, and that
there were men of capital, as he was told, who seemed
disposed to embark in the cause of the society, and
would give ten thousand pounds as a bond, while a large
company in Lancashire were also ready to assist them.
—(Cheers.) The question had, therefore, taken a greater
hold on the country than he had expected, but he hoped
that they would well consider the mode of carrying it
out.—(Hear, hear.)
An OPERATIVE from the body of the platform claimed
leave to say a few words. It would (as we understood)
be suicide for him to join them, though he wished well
to the cause. He was not a society's man, end at the
same time he was not willing to accept work against
their principles; but he had no money, and if he did not
work ho could not live.
The CHAIRMAN explained to the meeting at large the
appeal of the preceding speaker, which was not audible
in the hall, and then informed him that, under the cir-
cumstances he had mentioned, the society would assist
him.—(L)ud cheers, and cries of "He is not the only
one.") Others who were placed in the same position
would be also entitled to relief from the society's funds.
The resolution was then carried unanimously.
The meeting broke in excellent order after the usual
vote of thanks for the chairman and " Three cheers for
the Press."

A crowded meeting was also held at the Goldsmith's
Arms, Southwark-bridge-road. Shortly after 7 o'clock
the chair was taken by Mr. John Laing. He stated that
the meeting had been called for the purpose of laying
before them what had been done in that district with
regard to carrying out the co-operative principle.
There had been two or three such associations started on
that side of the water, and their desire was to amal-
gamate them all into one, so that their interests
should not clash. The Southwark branch had been in
treaty for the premises of Messrs. Horton, but he was
sorry to say that they should be unable to obtain them.
He was one of a deputation had that day waited
upon the Messrs. Horton's man of business in the hope
of concluding the terms on which the premises should be
taken; but when ho stated the object for which the pro-
mises were required he was plainly told that they would
not be let to any parties who were connected with the
Amalgamated Society of Engineers, although he pre-
viously expressed great willingness to let them. Mr.
Laing stated that he firmly believed this was owing to
the interference of the masters.—(Hear. hear.) They
had, however, other premises in view; and one em-
ployer had offered to do any amount of boring and
planing for them that required the assistance of powerfel
engines.—(Bear, hear.) It was necessary to state that
in this movement they were assisted by some capitalists,
who would take the premises and be responsible for the
payment of the rent, and would advance money for any
amount of stock they might put upon the premises. In
the progress of their work, also, as it advanced, these
gentlemen would be prepared to increase their advances
of money, because, as they expended labour on any
raw material, its marketable value was enhanced, and
that they considered was a good security for riy money
they might require. At the same time, those capitalists
would be bound not to take advantage of the position of
the men, and would net withdraw their capital so long
as the moderate interest of 4i per cent. continued to be
paid upon it.—(llear, hear.) lie wished it, to be under-
stood that they did not intend to dissociate themselves
from the An.talgama.tel Society. They went hand in
hand with that society, and so soon as the general rules
of the Central Association should be drawn up this as-
sociation would merge into it and become a branch asso-
ciation. They had received several offers of work, and
their prospects altogether were most encouraging. Of
course toey could not commence until they had premse.,
but he hal every reason to believe that as soon as they
could state the place foe orders to be sent to the
should be able to find work for a number of their mem-
bm.—(Cheers.)
Mr. Moricuit inquired how they were to govern the
management of their funds?
The SECRETARY, in answer, read the rules, which,
however, he said were only provisional. They may be
thus epitomised:—Rule 1. The name of the society.
Rule 2. Authorising the raising of 3,6501. or more in 11.
shares; no person to take less than 5 nor more than 25;
deposit of 4s. per share; no shareholder allowed more
than one vote. Rule 3. Providing for appointment of
three trustees, a secretary, and five committeemen to
carry on the business in conjunction with the " general
manager." Rule 4. Mr. J. Laing to be " general mana-
ger," to conduct the working department, act with the
committee appointed by the shareholders, and be re-
sponsible to the trustees for all money received; his
salary to be two guineas per week. Rule 5. The three
trustees to be appointed by a general meeting, one to act
as treasurer, and in their joint names all ufoneys to be
invested, they to advance money to the manager through
the medium of an order from the general secretary,
signed by a majority of the committee. Rule 6. Secre-
tary to attend all meetings, &c. Rule 7. Committee to
meet once a month, or oftener; books to bo always open
to their inspection; one to retire every quarter. Rule
8. The business to be carried on in the name of the
manager, the profits to be divided as follows:-50 per
cent to form a reserved fund, and 50 per cent. divided
among the shareholders; no dividend to be made while
in debt. Rules 9, 10, 11, and 12. Appointing general
meetings, mode of allotting the shares, and of making
calls.

The CHAIRMAN said it would be seen that the entire
management would be under the control of the share-
holders. The reason why they had determined to con-
duct the business in the name of one person was that
those gentlemen who for the last two or three years
had been labouring to improve the condition or the
working classes by establishing co-operative shops and
stores, had found that one powerful element of success
had been in conducting the business in the name of one
person.
Mr. G. DAVIS said that they had only commenced
their association on that night week, and they had al-
ready got 27 shareholders, six of whom had five shares,
and one ten shares, and the deposits were all paid up,
Mr. CROMACH spoke to the advantages of co-opera-
tive associations. He bad himself joined a co-operative
bakery, and within the last two years they h
per cent. upon the money investede.venAintagtahhn:aediaf:Cloaerarpwaeiodrtik7esd
they had paid their men' proper wages. They hadnie
closed their bakery on Saturday
again on Monday morning. They hadlinetol;voas
aplesnoeclit
their men, and had sold their bread at
with theier Peewn:trardeer,
loaf cheaper than competing bakers.
con-
nected with a society established within
months at Greenwich in connexion last three
and he was happy to say that it was -
factorily.—(Cheers.)
havinggobinegenollumskoesdt gastniBd.
Several other questions
answered,

Mr.
moNcuu announced his intention of taking twenty
shares, and several others followed his example.
on the motion of Mr. J. NtrEsTo, seconded by Mr. G.
DKr's, the following resolution was unanimously agreed
to:—
That in the opinion of this meeting it is desirable to
amalgamate the whole of the co-operative societies formed
in this district under ono head.'
terras he receipt given for the deposit was in these
" R?ceived from Mr. --- the sum of el
deposit for --- shares in the Co-operative Anodes
Lion of Engineers, Sec."
ANSW

ER OF THE EXECUTIVE COUNCIL TO
LORD INGESTRE'S ARBITRATION PROPO-
SITION.
Yesterday the following communication, in answer
.0 the letter of Lord Ingestre, which appoared last week
n our columns, was forwarded to the Noble Lord by Mr.
Allan, secretary on behsl of the Executive Council of the
Amalgamated Society of Engineers,
General-office, 25, Little Alio-street,
Whitechepel.

"My Lord,—l beg to acknowledie the receipt of
your letter of the Bth inst., in which you state that hav-
ing been applied to for your consent to become a trustee
of a fund to enable the workmen to set up in business
for themselves, you have recommended a settlement
of the dispute by arbitration, &e. The Executive
Council of the Amalgamated Society desire me to expri ss
their thanks for the interest you have taken in the dis-
pute between them and the employers of operative
engineers, and to state that they have made a public
declaration of their willingness to intrust their ease to
arbitration, and have written directly to the Masters'
Association to the effect that, if they are desirous of
seeing a deputation—one from the council of the Amal-
gamated Society would wait upon them. The firlit_of
these they have not noticed; the last they have refuse'
We, therefore, believing that there is nothing left for us
but self-employment, have determined upon adopting
that course, and this, I hope, will be a sufficient apology
to your Lordship for any gentleman who, on our ac-
MIA MAY bliTe saoited your num oe trotee,

oiftsthaeb
eclne
" To Viscount Ingestrie."
The secretary received no fresh information yester-
daythts e;
telegraphic i s
with respect to man,!'inater, and
gmaersdseadgeasreacegivueadranonteesoufndthrey oncicguhrtat the establish-
sc
ments there closed bad only thrown out about 700 mon,
instead of the much larger number which was last week
anticipated. In Preston it appears that the establish-
ments closed have thrown out of employment only about
29 members of the society.
Letters were yesterday received from Brighton, Pres-
ton, Stratford, Woolwich, and other p!aces, announcing
the firmness of the men, and their determination to
rendor support equal to the emergency of the case.
A letter was also received from the secretary of the
Bristol branch of the society, stating that an °amicable
arrangement had been made between the employers and
the workmen, so that the latter should continue at work;
the conditions demander by tho society being agreed to
by the former with regard to the cessation or piecework
and overtime; both parties agreeing to be eventually
governed by the result of the general struggle. This
arraus,ruent is regarded as a favourable omen by the
London workmen.
It has been before stated that a number of workmen
at Greenwich lest week subscribed a capital of about
3001. for the purpose of opening a co-operative work-
shop, and that they had already obtained extensive
(Tiers. Yesterday it wee annourwed that a fresh order
had been received to supply a 20 horse power steam-
engine, together with the necessary accompanying ma-
chinery, for a saw-mill about to b, erected in Pimlico.

THE CO-OPERATIVE SYSTEfull meeting of members of the East
NI.
Lolanadtinbgrahntcahvoefr)t-he aociuty took place at the central
club-house, Stepney, to consider the propriety of adopt-
ing the propositions with respect to the investment of
10,000/. of the funds of the society in the bands of trus-
tees for the establishment of CO-operative workshops, as
recently pat forward by the executive council, and which
was alluded to in our columns yesterday. Mr. Eglin
occupied the chair.
Mr. W. NEWTON, in a lengthened speech, pointed out
in his opinion, would follow the
at
dh
oe
padvantagestion o f
the
e
pwichlahnProposed for the consideration of
the meeting. He said that at present many employers
of the men who had been thrown out of work might
probably be trading upon a portion of the money Be..
longing to the Amalgamated Society—money which the
society bad lent to the banks at a low rate of interest,
and which the bankers in turn advanced to the manufac-
turer at a high rate of interest. Would it not be better
to reap the full benefit of the employment of their own
funds than to permit another to reap the profit at once
of their labour and their property? With respect to
the adoption of the co-operative system, nothing was
more easy to be managed at the outset even. Suppose
the 10,0001. asked for by the executive council granted,
it v;onld be invested in the purchase of a plant and ma-
terials, which would represent the value of the sum
expended, and upon the security of which bankers
would advance a reasonable sum of money, if re-
quired, to enable them to carry on active operations,
just as at the present time they advanced money upon
the plant and materials of manufacturers in general, it
being a well-known fact that by such advances alone tho
general business of the country was conducted. Well,
then, they would open an establishment—invest their
2,0001. iu London, their 2,0001. in Manchester, and the
balance of the 10,0001. in other places according to cir-
cumstances, and so find employment for a large number
of men, without the intervention of a middleman to reap
the profit of their labour.— (Hear, hear.) In Lancashire
alone he would guarantee the employment of at least
1,000 men, an extensive manufacturer in that county
having offered to dispose of his establishment to the
Amalgamated Society, which now employed about that
number of men. As to the mode of employing them-
selves under the co-operative system, they must not be
nice as to the description of work which they might
have to do. Smiths must, if necessary, become simple
hammermen, and other artisans be content to become
mere labourers, but not at lower wages than others,
as under a system of co-operation wages must be level,
and all must share alike in the profits of the general
labour.—(Cheers.) Let them only show themselves in
earnest is the matter, and he would answer for the suc-
cess of the experiment. Want of money would bo no
bar to their progress, for many gentlemen of property
had volunteered their assistance, and it was expected
that a nobleman, belonging to one of the wealthiest fa-
milies in the country, would in a few days publicly avow
his intention of becoming one of the trustees. Mr. New-
ton ended by advising the adoption of the proposition,
but after careful and mature consideration.

Mr. ALLAN, secretary to the executive, stated that tho
council were in correspondence with the Lancashire ma-
nufacturer referred to by Mr. Newton, and hoped shortly
to be able to announce the purchase of his plant, &e., on
behalf of the society.
The grant of 10,0001. from the funds of the society was
then formally moved ard seconded..
A discussion followed, in the courEe of which different
members expressed regret that it should be necessary to
apply so large a portion of the fund to purposes which
hsd not been contemplated at its origin. All the speakers,
however, concurred in the opinion that the co-operative
system was forced upon them by the masters, aud that
no b:,Ltcr Ltep could, under the circumstances, be taken.
Eventually the proposiduu was unachnouzly agreed to,
AS were also Ow two othns ::comp Laying h, rt-gulating
the :node of iur,:stwent a%ei couditicus under which
work thoul.lbeperformcd.

Thcse propositions, however, will Lot be considered
as adeptcd uutil fa!;y sanc, ioned by a majority of votes
throughout the society. The final dceibion will be known
on or about the 20th inst.

A strung felling pervaar•3 the meeting is favour of
the payment of one clay's wilus weekly by those in
work fur the support of those thrown out.

MUSEUM OF MANKIND.

On Friday, at the invitation-of Mr. Catlin, the
proprietor of the yell-known American Indian Cul-
b ction, a numerous company assembled at his exhibi-
tion-rooms, Waterloo-place, for the purpose of hear-
ing a description from him of the leading customs of
the American Indians ; but more particularly with
the view of bringing forward his proposal for found-
ing a museum of mankind designed to perpetuate the
familiar locks, the manufactures, history, and records
of all the vanishing races of man. Mr. Catlin's pro-
posal was made the subject of a paper which was
read last year before the Ethnological and Royal
Geographical Societies of London. The main fea-
ture of Mr. Catlin's plan consists in the procuring of
all countries.
choallsec shown
would be ke
n, with the collection
.owns
of
to be necessary
t
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tßflahoyearsttetiheinnaigsmmamerrerutaisnn i
oe
sfuf emdt is
"suitableat hnd
e thought dimensions to be used as a
theseaport
visiting,
s i tig
t that the novelty and
up, and that an exhibitian so devised would nPt
ot
only be able to pay its expenses, brit
oex-
citementthe s
ti whichces s experience r
suchiei ice
would add to
the value and interest of La materials.
In the first
instance the museum would '
conbist of well-selected
specimens of the North, Soi 13
a I and Central Ameri-
can races, and others from '
the opposite parts of the
globe, now to be in England, procured ' together with
the manufactures of these races ; and after a visit to
the seaport towns of the United Kingdom, the mu-
seum would be floated to St. Petersburgh and the
towns on the Baltic, from which specimens of the
races of North Europe and Asia, with their manu-
factures, would he
r__brought back for a second tour in
England. The Mediterranean ports and the Atlantic
cities of
America would next be visited. With regard
to the means for carrying out the plan, which was
alrcady than half • his individual
moreaccomplished by
exertions, Mr. Catlin said that he would take all the
risks and liabilities on himself, trusting to the support
of institutions and individuals who sympathised in
the dying races of man. He proposed that sub-
scriptions and donations should be set on foot
for the more effectually promoting the objects of
the museum, the money thus raised to be placed under
the control ofd board of trustees. For every pound
subscribed the party was to have a free life ticket of
admission to the museum, and for every 401. or up-
wards the donor was to have the privilege of travel-
ling in the vessel to any port at 50 per cent. below
the usual steamer prices. Missionaries to native tribes
were to have a free passage. The ship, with 200 feet
of deck, was to be made of iron as a precaution against
fire; useful trades, the elements of knowledge, and
the Christian religion, would be imparted to the abo-
rigines on board, and when it was considered that
the institution had served all useful purposes by visit-
ing the various countries, the collection might be sold
to the Government that would pay the highest price
for it, and thus be perpetuated as a national institu-
tion of great interest and value. He thought there
were few so well qualified from previous experience
to carry out such an undertaking, and his olject was
to elicit the observations of others in order to weer-
tain in what particular the proposed plan could be
bettered. Mr. Catlin was much applauded at the
conclusion of his address.
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Sunday last (by far THE EXHIBITION • ...JUN •
lation of the Weekly Dispatch, n
ex-
ceeding the most sanguine i with Proprietors),the
has rendered it impossible to
_announce-
that every purchaser should, un
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receive:coctain ati;:yospyofotthtehe Illustrated
Exhibition;o
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,until
Sunday,it
ments previously made,
Sunday, the 11th
conse-
quence,iitopostpone the issue if
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Coloured
been
nhafrotnonfd n
careful demanding such care
, , day every purchaser who was
disap-
pointed
February, on w1"5,-
a Chart of the 4th instant, will be en-
titled in receiving
Orders
maa,
be given to all nemvenders
to a copy.
to th in
in town or country, or e co, 139, Fleet-street, London.
LEAP OF AN AMERICAN ROHM—According to the
sunburg iinterienn, a horse near that place recently leaped
from one abutment of an unfinished bridge to another a dis-
tance of thirty-two feet; and on a subsequent day, after
smashing a buggy into pieces and spilling the driver and two
ladies into the road, he jumped twenty-three feet on rising
ground, with the four wheels or the buggy attached. The
Roston Transcript simply adds " Hadn't vie seen the story
in print we shouldn't have believed it.
TUB ROYAL /MAIL STEAM-SHIP EUROPA.—
Mach anxiety be ins to be felt respecting the non-arrival of
the British and North American royal mail steam-ship
Europa, which was due at Liverpool on Sunday, but, up to
last night, had not been reported in the channel. The
Europa encountered heavy adverse gales on her outwal d
passage, which compelled her to put. into Halifax, instesd
of proceeding Qn to New York direct; and it is feared, from
the state of the weather during the past week, that flhe has
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