The Sun.
London, England, 1852-10-07 00:00:00

EVENING, OCTOBER 7

HER MAJESTY'S VISIT TO WALES.
BANGOR, TUESDAY, 3 O'CLOCK, P.M.—The official
ntelligence of the intended visit of the Queen and the
Royal suite on Wednesday week to this locality, on
her return from Scotland, reached Bangor on Friday
last, since which time the greatest excitement has
been manifested among the loyal inhabitants of this
ancient city, in the anticipation of an event so grati-
fying and important in the eyes of everyone. Although
it was reasonable to suppose that her Mjesty would,
sooner or later, view that stupendous wonder of the
present era, the Britannia Tubular-bridge, yet the
announcement of the royal visit came unexpectedly;
but it appears that good use has and will be made of
the short time that intervenes, in order to concert
such arrangements as are best calculated to display
the loyal enthusiasm so devotedly felt by the de-
scendants of the ancient Britons towards the person
of their gracious Sovereign.
Her Majesty, arriving by rail from Crewe, will
pass the night at Bangor, and, accordingly, no fewer
than 45 rooms, comprising nearly the whole of the
Fenrhyn Arms Hotel, have been engaged.
A special train is intended to convey the royal
party to the Britannia bridge, to see which is under-
stood to be the principal object of the visit.
Sanguine expectations are likewise entertained
that her Majesty will proceed to Carnarvon (which
is only a few miles distant), in order to visit, with
the youthful Prince, the ruins of that famous old
castle, within the walls of which the first " Tywysog
Cymru "of the Saxon line saw the light. There is
no doubt that the local authorities of the place will
cordially co-operate with those of Bangor on this
eventful occasion.

When Princess Victoria, her Majesty, in the year
1832, was staying at Pies Newydd, the residence of
the Marquis of Anglesea, and the universal demon-
strations of respect evinced by the inhabitants of
Carnarvonshire, when, in 1848, she passed through
the Menai Straits have not been forgotten. We are
happy to add that there is now every prospect of
a renewal, on an extended scale, of those loyal scenes
on the part of the people.
A meeting of the principal inhabitants of the city
of Bangor was held at noon this day in the magis-
trates'-room, the Hon. Colonel Douglas Pennant,
M.P., in the chair, to consider what steps should be
taken to welcome her Majesty on her arrival. No
official intimation having been received of her Ma-
jesty's wishes thereon, it was deemed proper to take
no steps with regard to the presentation of addresses,
lest it might be considered an intrusion upon her
Majesty's privacy. After some preliminary observa-
tions as to the desirability of the attendance of the
benefit clubs, schools, and other local public bodies, it
was determined that a committee be appointed, with
instructions to collect funds and apply them, in the
first place, for a public demonstration to greet her
Majesty on her progress from the railway station to
the hotel, and to appropriate any surplus money for
the purpose of regaling the poor. A subscription-list
was handed about, headed by the name of the Hon.
Chairman for 201., and upwards of 501. was sub-
scribed on the spot.

oir AIL
eliri WAY INTELLIGENCE.
TREailLwaLylCGomEpNanC:.
The under
a concession from the Norwegian Government, has
been introduced upon the Stock Exchange by Messrs.
A. and W. Ricardo. The capital required is only
450,0001., of which the Government furnishes one-
half the amount; the remainder will be represented
by shares bearing a guaranteed dividend of 4 per cent.
per annum until the opening of the line, of which
about three-fourths are stated to be already com-
pleted. The whole of the rails and the chief part of
the locomotive engines and rolling stock are on the
ground. The promoters of this enterprise are Mr. J.
L. Ricardo, M.P., Mr. S. M. Peto, M.P., and
Mr. Brassey, and the engineer is Mr. Robert
Stephenson, M.P., names which gives a bond
fide character to the undertaking. New rail-
way projects are starting into existence
almost every day, and though the amount of
capital required for the construction of those already
before the public is not, comparatively speaking,
large, and though most of the schemes are so far of a
useful and practical character, yet the disposition to
increase this class of speculation is so evident as to
give reason to apprehend that many other schemes of
doubtful value will soon be brought on the market.
The schemes recently brought out include the Vaux-
hall and Sy denhatn Railway, capital 280,0001. in
28,000 shares of 101. each ; the West-end of London
and Crystal Palace Railway, capital 38,6001.
in shares of 101. each ; the Wimbledon and
Croydon Railway, capital 45,0001., in 4,500 shares of
101. each; the Woodford Railway, capital 120,0001.,
in 12,000 shares of 101. each. These may all be con-
sidered as lines immediately connected with the me-
tropolis, and of a useful character. There are, also,
several county lines before the public, some of
which are new, and others old schemes re•
vived. These are the Somerset Central Railway
capital 70,0001., in shares of 201. each; the Great
Northern, Doncaster, and Bradford Railway, capital
1,000,0001., in shares of 251, each; the Nuneaton
and Leicester Railway, capital 150,0001., in shares of
101. each; the Hull and Holderness Railway, capital
150,0001., in shares of 201. each ; and the Montgo.
meryshire Railway, capital 250,0001., in shares of
101. each. In foreign railways we have the Norwe-
gian Trunk Railway before mentioned, capital
450,0001.; the Belgian Eastern Junction Railway,
capital 392,500/., in shares of Si. each; and the Rot-
terdam and Antwerp Railway. To these may be
added several American railways, which have already
obtained, and are now seeking- a large amount of
capital in this country, and we bear of others, both
domestic and foreign, which will soon be in the mar- '
ket.— Chronicle.

LONDON AND NORTH-WESTERN.—The vacant chair-
manship of this line is now, it is understood, to be
filled by Admiral Moorsom, a director of the company
from the commencement, and also of the Chester and
Holy head Railway.
GREAT WESTERN.A memorial to the Earl of
Derby and the Board of Trade for presentation to the
Crown, is being circulated and signed by the inhabi-
tants of Devizes and its neighbourhood, for
.4
ran inquiry
into the case of the unfinished lines of the Great
7. and 8, f
Wes-
tern, authorised in 1845, 6,,.. —anger-
ford to Devizes, Westbury, Frome, and Taunton to
Exeter, known as the Hungerford Extensions, and
which, it is said, would reduce the distance between
London and Exeter by 30 miles, and also the exten-
sion between Devizes and Bath and Bristol.
SOUTH WALES.—It is understood that by the 16th
or the 20th of the present month the portion of this
line from Swansea to Carmarthen will be so far ready
that the Government inspector can
.pronounce that
trains may safely run over it. It is stated that a
double line must be constructed between Llanelly and
Carmarthen, on which only a single line has been
laid. The works between Carmarthen and Haverford-
west are being pushed forward rapidly.

RAILWAY TRAFFIC RETURNS.
THE GREAT NORTHERN RAILWAY.-(Miles in work, 286 i)
Return of Traffic for the Week ending Sept. 26, 1852 :
Passengers, parcels, carriages,
horses, dogs, and mails ... £7,448 18 9
Merchandise and minerals ... 6,112 811
Cattle ... ... ... ... 634 13 9

Total .. ... ... £14,196 1 5
Corresponding •week, 1851 (241 i miles):—
-Passengers, parcels, &c. ... £8,138 13 4
Merchandise, Cattle, &c. ... 4,749 18 7

Total ••• ...412,888 11 11
LANCASHIRE AND YORKSHIRE RAILWAY. -- (260 miles
open.)—Traffic for week ending Oct. 3 ....£17,236 6 3
Corresponding week in last year (260
miles open) .. ....£16,027 1 3
CHESTER AND HOLYHEAD RAlLWAY.—Traffic for the
week ending Oct. 3:—

RAILWAY.
Passengers, parcels, &c.
Goods ... ... ...

...42,885 0 9
... 817 10 0

Total

•• •••
STEAM-BOATS.

... £3,702 10 9

Passengers

... £349 17 1

Passen TOTAL.
gers, parcels, &c.
Goods
...
... ..-

... £3,234 17 10
... 817 10 0

Correa Total
Total
••£4,052 7 10
week last year ... 4,108 6 5

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Secretary
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BETTING
.I.4sTs.---The Home D last week
gave his approval to the draft of a Bill on the subject of
betting houses. We have been put in possession of the
details of this measure, and it appears to us, that so far from
suppressing that against which it aims, it will give an im-
petus to it, and create an entirely new class of offices, and a
new branch of business in connexion with bettin and an
augmentation of betting lists,.—Racing Times. g,

PARLIAMENTARY REFORM.
On Thursday- night a public meeting of the citi,
zens, convened by the Council of the Glasgow Par-
liamentary Reform Association, was held in the
Trades Hall, Glassford-street, Glasgow, which was
crowded to overflowing by an audience composed
chiefly of the working classes. James Turner, Esq.,
of Thrushgrove, was unanimously called to the
chair. Among the gentlemen on the platform were
Mr. Macgregor, M.P. for the city ; Mr. J. W.
M'Gregor, Councillor Moir, and Messrs. A. Paton,
Govan, jun., A. C. Morrison, W. Ross, J. and
W. Macadam, B. Buchanan, W. C. Pattison, &c.
The CHAIRMAN said that they had expected that
Sir James Anderson, M.P. for the Stirling Burghs,
would have been presenr, but he had not made his ap-
pearance, and whether or not he would make his
appearance he could not say, but be was happy to see
their old friend Mr. M'Gregor present.—(Cheers.)
They had received a letter from Mr. Hastie, stating
that, owing to his having to go from home, he could
not be present. The chairman concluded by call-
ing on

Mr. PATTIBON, who read the letter from Mr.
Hastie, M.P., which is as follows :
" " Pennicuick, Sept. 30, 1852.
My dear Sir,—Owing to an engagement in this
quarter previous to being aware of the intended meet-
ing of the Parliamentary Reform Association, it will he
out of my power to be present this evening. I highly
approve of your meeting to give expression to what I
now believe to be the very general desire of the liberal
constituencies—an extension of the suffrage, and an im-
provement in the mode of obtaining the franchise.
" Yours faithfully,
" ALEX: HASTIE."
Mr. GOVAN said that the resolution entrusted to
him was as follows :—" That it is the opinion of this '
meeting, that no Government is entitled to the confi-
dence of the people of this country that is not pre-
pared to bring forward a measure of Parliamentary
Reform to the extent of the programme submitted by
the Glasgow Parliamentary Reform Association, em-
bracing household suffrage, vote by ballot, equal elec-
toral districts, triennial Parliaments, and no property
qualification." In general, this motion referred to
the House of Commons, and to a reform of that
House. All knew that that House was one of the
three branches of the British Legislature, and
that it was invested with the greatest power, in-
asmuch as it could bring, when it pleased, the entire
machinery of the Government to a dead lock by with-
holding the supplies—(Hear, hear)—and in many a
contest between the different branches of the Legis-
lature, all had yielded to the will of the House of
Commons. This formidable power bad been some-
times called the people's House, on the theory that
it consisted of the representatives of the people of this
country, who were chosen to carry on the affairs of
the Government, and promote the interests and pros-
perity of the country. As representatives of the
people they ought to consult the people's wishes, and
give a prompt expression of them to the Government.
If they did not do so they might be regarded as a
body without a soul. Now the question arose, who
were the people ? If they looked to the Members of
the House of Commons they were apt to form an un-
just conception of who the people were, for they
found in that House the nominees of lords, landlords,
and of priests, perhaps, and Government officials by
scores, but no one need be told that none of these
were the people ; but they might be told that, accord-
ing to the present system, the people of this country
were the 101. householders—so that those who did not
pay 101. of rent might work bard and do a great deal
to promote the interests of the country, and yet not
be ",the people." According to the present system,
only about 1 in 27 was entitled to be called one of the
people, or lin6 of the adult male population. They
were not satisfied with this, as the other five were as
much entitled to the franchise as the one. The mo-
tion demanded household suffrage, which would be a
great improvement on the present system. According
to last census, there was upwards of 4,000,000 inha-
bited houses in the country, which would give them
four to one of the present electors, which would be a
great advance, although not all that could be wished.
Until some better system was devised, they thought
themselves justified in asking for a system of secret
voting, to prevent the electors from being intimidated.
There was also an unequal distribution of the fran-
chise. Mr. Cobden, the other day, said that in the
House of Commons 100 Members represented con-
stituencies whose aggregate numbers did not in all
amount to the one he had the honour to represent.
The franchise was so unequally distributed, that while
one burgh with only eighty electors returned a Mem-
ber, another with 5,000 of a constituency only did the
same. Now, had they a fairer representation they
would have a fairer expression of the people's
opinion in Parliament. In reference to the militia, it
was a fact that the representation of the majority was
out-voted by the minority. He next came to trien-
nial Parliaments. They found at present that it was
only when the seven years was drawing to a close that
members began to think about their constituents. He
maintained that Members of Parliament were the
servants of the people, and in alt domestic concerns,
and in every other capacity, they asked to have some
hold over their servants, so that they would not dare
to act against the convictions of their constituents, and
in triennial Parliaments they certainly would have a
better hold over Members of Parliament than in sep-
tennial ones. He also maintained that the choice of a
representative should not be fettered by any such
condition as that of a property qualification. He
concluded by saying that the franchise was the peo-
ple's right, and that they must continue to agitate
until they got it, and then freedom would sit on the
people's brow--the crown and emblem of their sove-
reignty, and the insignia of their unquestionable
power.—(Cheers.)
Mr.W. MADAM seconded the resolution, which was
carried by acclamation.
Mr. MACGREGOR, M.P., who on rising was loudly
cheered, said--My friends, electors, and non-electors
of the city of Glasgow, in addressing you in the
terms of electors and non-electors, I am proud to say
that I was the first to take it upon myself to address
you under the head of " Electors and non-electors ;"
but I find that since that period more than fifty mem-
bers of Parliament have addressed the constituencies
for which they have been elected in the terms in which
I thought it my duty to address you. Far would it
be from my feelings—far would it be from my con-
victions of justice--to address the citizens of Glas-
gow, electors and non-electors, believing that the
non-electors have a right to be represented in Parlia-
ment according to the great maxim that was laid
down long ago, and under which was held
our liberties—that no man should pay any
tax to the Government or to the Crown,
unless he had a voice empowering by
representation that taxation. It was brought forward
in the Magna Charts, was laid down as one of the
great principles of the Bill of Rights, and it has since
been admitted even by Clarendon, the most courtly of
historians, and maintained by the greatest of the
Pitts, that " taxation without representation was
tyranny."—(Cheers.) It is upon these great consti-
tutional grounds that I support the resolution that
has been submitted to you, and which you have most
unanimously and most creditably to yourselves
adopted.—(Great cheering.) Did Scotland and the
great constituencies of this country pursue the same
course, then you would all, in spite of everything
that has been said against democracy, succeed. We
have heard a great deal about that word democracy,
and the dangerous tendencies of democracy in this
country. lam not the enemy of the aristocracy as
such, nor of any party that is friendly and faithful
to true national interests. For my own part, I tell
you most distinctly, that if the present Government
will bring forward a comprehensive plan of Parlia-
mentary reform, although they call themselves Tories,
I will support them.—(Hear.) If they do not, I will
oppose them in every possible way in which I can—not
as a demagogue, remember—(Hear and laughter)—but
as a:democrat. There is a wide difference between a
democrat and a demagogue— a democrat is one of
the people. Democracy is not well understood, be-
cause it is confounded with the word demagogue;
but democracy properly understood is the most
sound, most constitutional, and most healthy of all the
denominations that, under Providence, possibly dwells
upon the earth. We borrow it from an old Greek
word, " Demos," which means " the people." I have
always said I was a man of the people ; that I was one
of the " demos," and consequently I am a democrat.
Now, when I hear people speaking against democracy
I want to know what they that have opposed demo-
cracy, and who spurn us, the people, have done; and
I put the question to myself, what has democracy,
done ? Now, I wish to explain that word to you be-
cause a great deal of evil goes forth in reference to
the word without explanation. Democracy means
all those engaged in industrious pursuits, whether
in science or labour, in tilling the ground,
in digging the ditches—whether as mer-
chants, manufacturers, or navigators—whether
they are engaged in mechanical operations,
or whether they are those ingenious men who have
made the discoveries of those powers which God has
given to the intellect and hand of man, to exercise in
great and good works, and I put the question to my-
self, what have they done ? In the first place, de-
mocracy were the inventors of and discovered every-
thing connected with agriculture, manufactures, and
navigation. Columbus discovered America, and
Vasco di Gama discovered the new route round the
world. Who have constructed our ships and canals?
It was the democracy. But I come back to yourownt
river Clyde. Who have deepened it and made it
navigable up to the Broomielaw ? It was
riches the
de-
mocracy. Who opened up the mineral
be-
tween the Forth and Clyde, and to bring forth your
coal and iron ? It was democracy, and I defy those
who oppose you to say anything to the contrary.
Who built the great steam ships that bridge the
Atlantic ? The democracy. Who are constructing
your iron ships on the banks of the Clyde ? It
is the democracy. Who were they that in-
vented printing, the Etesm-evgine, the povrer.

loom, cut the canals through the kingdom, constructed
your docks, railways, built your cities, and brought
your cotton, cloth, and iron manufactures to such
perfection ? It was the democracy. Who have made
your fashionable attires in cotton, and silk, and wool ?
It has been the democracy. From what did we derive
all the power of a nation, and enabled the Govern•
went to tax a people, and to exhibit the grandeur of
princes and of kings ? Was it not from the labour
of the democracy ?—(Loud cheers.) Now, I want
the people to know their own power, not for the pur-
pose of disturbing the public peace—but for maintain-
ing and strengthening that great democratic element
which happily dwells amongst us, both by tradition
and sentiment, ay, and by partiality too. I have said
I will support the present Government, if they will
support those great democratic principles 'to which
the word demagogue is not applicable. And
yet there is a class, there are certain great
men—aristocrats—who call the mere men of
the democracy, the men of the people, dema-
gogues and destructives. Never was there such
a great delusion and satire. I am sorry to say that
in the history of Scotland there has not been such
progress in democracy as in England. In England,
when the Magna Charta was extorted from King
John, the aristocracy and the clergy were in the as-
cendancy, the great multitude of the people were serfs,
or the few men who were possessed of large landed
properties were dominant, and the nation was in ser-
vitude, but no sooner did the people become free than
from time to time they struggled until they got the
Bill of Rights forced by the long Parliament from
Charles 1., the Habeas Corpus Act from Charles 11.,
and the declaration of rights to which William the
Third was compelled to accede in 1688, when be re-
cognised the great principle that the people should
not be taxed without being represented. I know the
details may be rather tedious, but I hope you will
bear with me.—(Renewed cheers.) In the year 1830
the whole of Scotland was a great rotten borough,
and I am sorry to say that looking at Scotland
from the annexation, from the union of the two
countries under one Crown in 1707, we did not
secure those rights which we ought to have done.
—(Hear, hear.) Formerly we allowed the Par-
liament of England to tyrannise over us, and we
had ministers who gave our countrymen situations
in India, and thus bribed our members and leading
men into submission. Fortunately we are now in a
different position—we will assert those rights which
essentially belong to us. We are not fairly repre-
sented ; and it gives me the greatest possible pain
that we are not justly represented. We are not pro-
perly represented in Parliament, neither are we re-
presented in the Government of England. Ireland
has a Lord-Lieutenant, and a Secretary of State,
who has the same salary as the Prime Minister-
-5,0001. a year. Now, I don't want a Lord-Lieute-
nant for Scotland, but I want a Secretary of State
for Scotland, who should take cognisance of all the
circumstances connected with Scotland, and who
should hold office near the Crown, so that we may
be properly represented in the Government. True,
we have a Lord Advocate in the Parliament House of
Edinburgh, who spends his time there, taking his
fees, when he ought to be watching the affairs of
Scotland in the Parliament at Westminster.—
(Hear, hear.) I find that there are 67 burghs in
England that have exactly the same population as
twice that of the Gorbals, and these send 184 Mem-
bers to Parliament, each of whom has as much power in
the House of Commons as each of the Members for
Glasgow, and I say that it is, therefore, the more ne-
cessary that the resolution proposed to you to-night
should lay down, as it has done, that no Ministry will
have the confidence of this country if they do not
bring forward a great measure of Parliamentary Re-
form. I have now spoken in a decisive and frank
manner, and I trust what I have stated will be cor-
rectly reported. Among other grievances, the county
courts are really in a most imperfect state in Scotland.
In England tho county courts give cheap and imme-
diate adjudication on matters of great moment, but in
Scotland such adjudication frequently amounts tomuch
more than even a denial of justice. This is a matter
requiring a speedy remedy, and 1 hope it will receive
prompt attention. Having made these observations,
which may have been tedious, I trust you will allow
me to make a few remarks upon the present condition
of the country with regard to its government.
We have a Government that lately came into office
by sufferance, and by sufferance we allowed it to finish
the last session of Parliament. The Chancellor of
the Exchequer received great credit for the statements
he made with regard to the budget. It was not his
budget. He found it at the bottom of Downing-
street; but, in order to get over the session, we
agreed to the income-tax, and voted it for one year.
We are to meet Parliament, and, with regard to the
taxation of the country, with scarcely any knowledge
whatever as to what the Government is going to do ;
and the Chancellor of the Exchequer tells us that he
has a relief for the agricultural interest in compensa-
tion for their pretended losses by free trade—some-
thing extremely pleasant and agreeable, looming in
the future.—(Laughter.) Now, if what he has
looming in the distance will relieve the agricultural
classes in this kingdom, without imposing an equal
amount of restriction upon the industrious and manu-
facturing trading classes, he will receive my support;
but if I find it merely a shifting of taxation in order
to give a portion of the indirect taxes (that is, the
taxes you pay upon your tea, sugar, soap, and other
articles) for the relief of the rural districts, we will
oppose him if we should divide the House twelve
times every night, and we will defeat him finally
if he should attempt anything of the kind
—(Loud cheers.) What I would suppose is
this—that he expects from the increased revenue
upon articles of consumption that we shall be
enabled to relieve the farmers of the local rural taxes
which they think heavy, from the Consolidated Fund.
Now, I would wish you to know what the applying
any portion of the Consolidated Fund means. It
means that a portion of what is contributed by the
consumers to that fund should he appropriated to pay
rural burdens. Very well, if we could afford to do
so. I should like that very much, only when I con-
sent to relieve rural burdens by such means I should
also extend the same relief to towns.—(Cheers.) I
may be tedious, but, at the same time, I wish to be
instructive.—(Cries of No, no.) Now, we will not
consent to anything like indirect burdens on free
trade.-t ilf there is a surplus revenue, I want to apply
it to other purposes—to those general purposes from
which the whole population will derive an advantage.
I wish that the people of this country should have
their tea as cheap as the people of the United States
of America and of Australia. At present tea is sold
at three hundred times more than its value ; that is to
say, that you pay 33. upon every one shilling's
worth of tea to the public treasury. I want to reduce
it in price, and instead of drinking, as a friend of mine
termed it, stained or coloured water, I want the
people to have good wholesome tea. I think the sur-
plus revenue should be appled to reduce the tea and
other duties on articles of consumption.—(Cheers.)
There is nothing in the world so obnoxious as dirt.
At present wsslaave to pay 1,500,000/. for having our
linen and our skins clean—that is the duty upon soap.
That duty ought to be abolished. I will not give the
surplus to the Chancellor of the Exchequer for the
purpose of relieving the agricultural classes, because
I deny that the agricultural classes have any peculiar
burdens at all. I crave the attention of the meeting,
because from the dryness of the subject it must be
tedious in itself ; but I wanted to go into this question,
for I know that what I have said will be reported
elsewhere, and I do not only wish that it will be re-
ported elsewhere, but I know that I will be able to
defend anything I am now saying.—(Cheers.) I
know also, that the schoolmaster is abroad ; and when
I speak of the schoolmaster, I don't speak of the man
who is merely a teacher in a school. This meeting
is a school, the Crystal Palace was a great university,
the men who are employed building ships, &c.,
on the Clyde, the industry that sets in opera-
tion the steam press and the railway, and the
steam-ships that cross the Atlantic—all these opera-
tions form the gigantic schoolmasters going forth to
instruct and to civilise the world. I now come to the
meeting of the next Parliament. We are now going
to meet a Parliament and a Minister under very ex-
traordinary and peculiar circumstances. The First
Minister of the Crown has stated that his policy
would be to resist the dangerous current of demo-
cracy that was invading our institutions. If he per-
sists in that he shall have my determined opposition.
He stated also that he would have no educational
system that was not in strict accordance and perfect
obedience to the established and state religion.—

(Hear, hear.) In that he shall have my strenuous
and determined opposition.—(Cheers.) I do not ex-
pect he will attempt anything of the kind; but I mis-
trust him. We have, on the other hand, great bid-
dings for political capital from members of the late
Government in the way of liberal principles ; and I
shall he delighted to find that they are sincere in their
democratic aspirations, but I shall never consent to give
them power, but I would like first to form a social
contract with them, that will prevent them from form-
ing a family clique or compact, which the moment
they get into office would despise the actual wishes of
the people, inasmuch as they have a hereditary tra-
dition which leads them to entertain the idea that
they alone have a divine right to breed the statesmen
of the British empire. I want to show them that such
a Government cannot now possibly exist in this
country. After a feeling tribute to the memory of
the Duke of Wellington, Mr. Macgregor concluded
by saying, as far as his humble endeavours could as-
sist
them in the cause of reform in the House of Com-
mons, they were placed at the disposal of the consti-
tuency._

Mr.
Moffat, in moving a vote of thanks to the Mem-
bers for the city, said that he was still as firm a
Chartizst as ever, and would stand up for the Chartr
entire, but that he came down to this association in
order to conciliate the middle classes, in order that
they might get at least a portion of their demands.
lie concluded by moving a vote of thanks to Atesen.

Hastie and Aiacgregor, for their conduct in Parlia-
rnent, which was carried by acclamation.
Mr. MACGREGOR having acknowledged the vote of
tha❑ks,
Mr. Joutv MACADAM moved a vote of thanks to the
chairman for his conduct in the chair, which was
carried by acclamation, after which the meeting
separated.

FIRE AT SEA, AND SUFFERINGS OF
A CRE W.
By the arrival of the Jordeson, Mr. J. Venables
master, in the docks yesterday, from Manzanilla,
in
Cuba, intelligence has been received of the total de-
struction, by fire, of the English vessel Helen, and the
marvellous preservation of the crew, who, for upwards
of ten days, were buffeted about in the boats, in the
wide Atlantic, with but trifling provisions, and ex-
posed to the most boisterous weather. The Helen,
Mr. Turner commander, laden with a cargo of
general merchandise, amongst which were 140 tons of
India rubber, left Para, in the Amazon, South Anae•
rice, for Liverpool. dr. Wallace, a gentleman who
has attained some fame as a naturalist, was a pas-
senger in her to England, and her crew, including
the master and mates, numbered ten. The voyage
went happily enough until the morning of the 6th
of August, the vessel being in let. 30.30 N.,
long. 52 'W., when at about nine o'clock much
alarm was caused by a quantity of smoke being
observed to issue from the fore scuttle. Mr.
Turner instantly adopted the most prompt means to
ascertain the seat of the fire, and to suppress it at
its then apparent early stage. The fore batch was
opened, and it was then discovered that the flames
were raging in the after part of the ship immediately
below the cabin. 'Water was thrown down the after
hatch, and in order more effectually to reach the body
of fire, a hole was cut in the cabin deck through
which a vast quantity was poured. The highly in-
flammable character of the cargo, however, seemed to
defy all efforts to save it from destruction. The de-
structive element made its way to the main hold, and
the intense heat and smoke soon drove the seamen
from the cabin. The flames rolled up both sides of
the vessel with such fury as to render all hopes of
subduing them impossible. Mr. Turner, anticipating
the sad fate of his ship, had previously directed the
long-boat end gig to be lowered, and as much provi-
sions as could be procured placed in them. But a
small quantity could be obtained. At length, about
half past eleven o'clock, after exerting every effort
to preserve the vessel from entire destruction, it
was deemed prudent to order the hands to take to
the boats. Bodies of flame had shot up through the
hatchways, and the heated condition of her decks
proved that she was alight below from stem to stern.
The crew, with Mr. Wallace, the passenger, put off
from her in the long-boat and gig, and hovered about
her at a safe distance, in the hope that her blazing
state might attract the attention of vessels passing by,
and in bearing down would see them, and pick them
up. Morning came, however, without any sail being
in view. Exposed as the unfortunate men were to a
powerful sun, their sufferings from thirst became most
intense, and as days passed by without there seeming
the least chance of being observed, a terrible fate ap-
peared to await them all. The boisterous weather
tried the boats severely, and the fear of their founder-
ing kept the poor creatures in a most painful state of
suspense. Several of the men, as also Mr. Wallace,
became much exhausted ; and that all of them should
have survived the fearful trial, may be deemed most
providential. At length, on the evening of the lath of
August, towards dusk, they espied a sail in view.
Happily, they were perceived by the vessel, the
Jordeson, the master of whom, Mr. Venables,
promply bore down to their aid, and picked them up
in let. 32.46 N., long. 61 W., the island of Ber-
muda being some 200 miles distant. Their sufferings,
however, did not altogether end on their being got
on board the Jordeson. The latter's provisions,
owing to the addition of the Helen's men, and a
somewhat protracted voyage, ran short, and all on
board were put on a very small allowance, at one
time almost next to nothing; indeed, but for a sup-
ply which was obtained from the Ocean Wave, home-
ward bound, they would have been all starved before
they reached the Channel. Strange as it may appear,
some rats were caught on board, and, being cooked,
were devoured with much relish. The contents of
the grease pot were also consumed, and, indeed, any-
thing that could sustain life. The escape of the two
boats of the Helen has excited much attention amongst
the shipping interest. A day or so after they were
picked up most formidable weather had set in, and
had they been out in it, that they would all have been
sacrificed there is no doubt.

SCOTTISH HOSPITAL.
A general quarterly court of the governors of this
institution was held yesterday at the hospital. Dr.
Webster presided. It was reported, from the com-
mittee of relief, that the following sums had been
granted to petitioners at the several monthly meet-
ings :-156/., 155/. 4s. 2d., and 1521. Os. 2d. The
committee of accounts reported that the balance on
the 29th of September last was as follows :—Dr.
Balance in hand at the beginning of the year, 2601. ;
donations, 57.51.; proceeds of hall, 3061 ; annual sub-
scriptions, 3641.; rents, &c., 1,3631. Cr. Charity in
money, 1,7751.; passages, 131.; salaries, annuity,
poundage, &c., 2831.; repairs, Sl/.; purchase of house,
600/ ; expenses, 135/. ; balance in bank. 37/. 9s. 4,1
A special committee, appointed at the last quarterly
court to take into consideration a suggestion thrown
out in a late number of Chambers's Journal, reported
as follows :—" Your committee are of opinion that
the benevolence of the friends of the Scottish poor
may be further excited by following the suggestion
' contained in Chambers's Journal, No. 442, so as to
enlarge the operations of the corporation. That indi-
viduals or bodies should be at liberty to endow pensions
of fixed amount, from 51. and upwards, on contribut-
ing sums sufficient,when invested, to insure the pensions.
That the said investment should bear, ifdesired, the name
of the individual or body so contributing, or any other
approved nomination. The donors to be allowed the
nomination during their lives, from a list submitted
by the committee. Your committee consider also
that the very generous proposition of his Grace the
Duke of Sutherland should be gratefully accepted by
the court, and that the endowment should begin to
take effect twelve months after the payment of the
second instalment, and that the recipient should be
called the Duke of Sutherland's pensioner. Your
committee venture to hope that not only individuals,
but public bodies, and even counties, may be induced
to take part in this new system of benevolence."
Major Adair, the secretary, stated that as soon as the
suggestion in Chambers's was brought to the know-
ledge of the Duke of Sutherland, he immediately
offered to endow the first pensioner.—(ilear, hear.)
It was resolved that the report should be entered on
the minutes, and a copy sent to each governor, and
that it should be especially brought before the go
vernors at their next court. Major Adair stated
that, in compliance with the instructions he had re•
ceived at the last meeting, he had written to Lord
John Russell, soliciting the honour of his presiding
at their next anniversary dinner, and hie Lordship
had consented to do so.—(Hear, hear.) Lord Pan-
mure had also promised to attend, should he be in the
country at the time. They had already obtained a
long list of stewards, embracing nearly thirty Mem-
bers of both Houses of Parliament.—(Hear, bear.)
The meeting then adjourned, after a vote of thanks
to the chairman.

FOUR PERSONS KILLED BY LIGH7NING
Maidstone providentially escaped any serious con-
sequences from the severe thunderstorm which passed
over us on Tuesday last; but we are sorry to relate
, that at Sutton Valence four poor hop-pickers who
had taken refuge in an oasthouse were killed in •
stantaneously by the electric fluid ; one of them, a
woman named Ashman, was in an advanced state of
pregnancy, and leaves one child motherless. Two
of the men have left widows and families, one
of six, the other nine children. The par-
ticulars of the melancholy accident will be found
in the following evidence, which was taken at the
coroner's inquest held by Mr. W. T. Neeve, at the
Queen's Head Inn, on Thursday last. The names of
the decased persons are George Birchet, John
Hogben, Seplii,n Kennett, and INlAtry Ann Ashman.
The first witness called was Richard Hearn, of
S tapir burst, labourer, who deposed—l am drying hops
for Mr. Stunt, on his farm in this parish. The four de-
ceased persons were all picking hops for Mr. Stunt. On
Tuesday last, in the afternoon, there was a heavy storm
of rain, thunder, and lightning. A number of the
hop•piclers, and among them the four deceased per-
sons, came into the oasthouse for shelter. Between
four and five o'clock, I was passing from the little
kiln into the great one, when the oasthouse was
struck with lightning, and I saw Mrs. Ashman fall
and take fire. I went up to her and put out the fire.
She was quite dead. When struck she was standing
in the doorway coming out of the great kiln. I then
found Hogben and Birchet close to the door on the
inside of the great kiln; they were quite dead. On
going upstairs I found Stephen Kennett lying on his
face, not far from the door leading to the drying-
room ; he was quite dead. From the appearance of
the building afterwards, I believe the lightning first
struck one of the cowls and passed down by the door-
ways where the deceased were. There were more than
twenty persons in the oasthouse at the time. The
other persons were not much affected by the light-
ning. I believe all the four deceased persons came
from Brabourn. Mary Ann Ashman was about 24,
Birchet about 50, Kennett 22, and Hogben was 60.
Tne bodies have remained in the oasthouse ever since,
in the charge of Edward Wright. The building was
for some minutes afterwards filled with vapour. I
believe neither of the deceased spoke after they were
struck. James Philpot, of Sutton Valence, deposed
—I am foreman to Mr. Stunt, on his farm. At about
half past tour, on Tuesday afternoon, I was just out-
side the oasthouse, when I felt that the building was
struck. I looked up instantly, and saw portions of one of
the cowls blown into the air, and a portion of the
tiling was blown off. On going into the oasthouse, I
aw persons taking Mrs. Ashman out into the barn.
She was quite dead. I saw Hogben lying on his
back in the doorway, leading into the kiln. Bircbet
was lying close to Hogben, on his face ; they
.bad
been sitting on the step at the doorway leading Into
the kiln; they were quite dead; they did not move(
at all. Birchet's steel watch-chain was decomposed
the
watch crumbled between my fingers—half
watch glass was gone, and the works of
the watch were destroyed;
one of his About half
leather leggings was torn down.
an hour afterwards I went up stairs, andout
found Kennett lying quite dead. A medical man was
sent for,
accidentally
arrived in about a quarter of an hour
after the building was struck • The medial man
thought the woman was not dead, and attempted to
bleed her, but could getbutire,,lTltthlaetbltohoed from her.
were
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removed
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verdict,
lightning."
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which
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some .have already been re-
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place.—Maidstone Journal. padaosrnui subscription
place.—Maidstone Journal.

Mr. Loowu d oTnO, BthlteEC-----11:(1)rrartedA writerl A D
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&c.,
during the time he was suffering so severely from the pain
in his arm, found no ease but from taking laudanum; and
he became at last so habituated to the use of this noxious
potion that he took a wine-glassful every eight hours.
_After the amputation of his arm, however, he wished to
leave off taking it, as he was aware of its injurious effects
upon his general health ; and he contrived to cure himself
by putting a wine-glassful of cold water into his quart
bottle of laudanum every time he took out a wine-glassful
of the potion, so that the mixture gradually became weaker
every day, till at last it was little more than water, and he
found that he had cured himself of this dangerous habit
without experiencing any inconvenience.
DEATH OF MR. BARNES, THE ENGINEER.—We
regret to announce the death of Mr. John Barnes, which
took place on Friday, the 24th ultimo, at La Ciotat, near
Marseilles, France, in the 54th year of his age, after an
illness of bout six weeks. No serious apprehensions were
entertained in respect to the termination of his illness until
within a few days of his decease. Mr. Barnes a few years
since was well known in this country as the principal of
the firm cf Barnes and Miller (now Miller, Ravaes directingnliill,and
Salkeld), but, at the time of his decease, he was
the constructing steam-engines and vessels for the service of
the great and well-known establishment, the Messageries
National of France. Mr. Barnes held a distinguished repu-
tation as a constructor of marine steam-engines. His talents
and general acquirements were of a very high order, and, in-
deed, his usefulness as an engineer was admitted by those
who knew him to be unsurpassed. The death of this gen-
tleman (who was brother-in-law of Mr. Miller) will be a
great loss to Francs, and, indeed, to the whole engineering
world.

LIVERPOOL, WEDNESDA.Y.—The United States
mail steam-ship Arctic, Luce commander, took her departure
hence to-day, at 12 3U P.M., for New York, with 140
passengers and a full cargo, besides the usual mails, on
froight.