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iii ISt !.:Stiolletei reetiit, h could not, for instance, be de- bestowed sufficient praise on others. They must, however, g infliotion which Must be moet bitter to a man of generous r other oblieetion. sell the judees of the laird had concur. ! l', "rt3llllY. was on the verge °? darihr• lien• heatiemeti hOt hbtite aey dirt tln Olt 11,144, Tim," v,„. tw . • ql;„ v6•,4,,.i ,-,,,:,A ~,,2„1,16.,,,.11 iii the teaetp , . tehrherde to
amasses in hie smarame tempter, eme e ieteett wee oh:es-
pied by Mrs. Bra.cebridge arid Miss Nightingale, and
rtithl t at the great diminution which had taken place in invest their commanders with very large discretionary and high-spirited dispositiow I cannot forget that this red in this view of the cate. ' It.was a common. lagw oibeirio.
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the cases of flogging was mainly owine to the frequent dis- powers when they entrusted them with their armies. It noble lord, in his capacity of a British generah was, only a gather ; and the present owners eit. tha_elat
Verna. He eonveyee e
the use of Mr. Wreford the landed in Turk'
I ter.) This was his honest opinion, and he had but one the other was fitted up for
"'stens on motions brought before tat house. And the would, Perhaps, be said, "Is it not monstrous that men brief time ago, marked out by her majesty's Government taken it, were bound to keep telt
f. N •tahiderhatvvams tire:l-bail! Bill had been the Principal ruin of this country. (Laugh-
taking
conduct of the army in the Ciimea-which, although should have their characters reflected upon, and have no for a great distinction-ale:est the greatest distinction to be supported on the groulno_ o
.ohcpes itenacy ; . ,
b trt of ! hope ono desire, and ono wish, namely, to sacrifice his life i board for the former. Tuey weie
time in
placed in the most trying situation that it was possible for me ins of redress ':' That was not, however, the case. It was which any Englishman can enjoy or receive. I remember though the Church might on y b p
atitauttiPorfoar they ePoOod of if nee' essary in the service of his country. (Laughter.) purveyor. There was an operating-room containing i boats. He was empleyed at another
tablee. He saw
troops to be placed in, was, as had been truly said, an open. to any one to prove that the commander of the forces when the noble lord, new absent, came forward, at the the community, yet it was en Ts on
H The bill, Mr. FLOYER did not feel himself at all bound by the proper tables. I down sheep to Balaklaya, but not vege
wrehgiii ewnetrse.
al'il hlor,t. teas
were also large
earmy without crime-showed how beneficial this change had not acted wisely. Lord Lucan had his remedy open to house to propose a vote of thanks of the House of Corn- all-Dissenters as well as Churehinen• ( ear.)
t The mein le of those hon. gentlemen who rested their argu- , In reply to Mr Layard, Dr. Forrest said that there large quantities at Eupatoria, and there
ber last year.
"ad been. (Hear.) Lord Lucan courted inquiry because him. If he could prove that Lord Raglan had acted un- mous 'to the generals who had distinguished themselves in too, went further than the abehtion of church ra ese
h bo entsPu on the interests of our large towns. He thought '
, granaries full of corn. This was in Septem
Katschka.
was a supply of medicine in the camp, with the excep• •
he felt his professional reputation was damaged by the worthily or maliciously, the commander of the forces those gallant victories which, whatever be the fate of this only Plea that had ever been brought forward for t. e
hathe tmhe interests of large towns, and large towns alone, had
The vessel was afterwards wrecked off the
that
at
charges which had been brought against him. It had in- would be recalled. There were cases on record of subordi- struggle, will remain for ever in the recollection of Eng- lition of church rates was, that they interfered wit
tion of opium, which was a most necessary article for on board
fere been too much and too exclusively considered in that house
• There was a quantity of provisions
deed been said by the Minister at War, in another Place, nate officers who complained in that way, and with success. lishmen. (Hear, hear.) I had the honour of seconding rights of conscience, but the bill Was allowed adeifter
H r hear.) -(hear, hear)- and that, if the interests of the country such a climate. Ile could never, however, obtain all
°tie:,
that Lord Lucan's personal character and honour were It was therefore entirely a question between Lord Lucan that proposition of the noble lord, and I need not tell the with all the other emolumente of thte Chuhch.
sufficient Ct f • •
quan iy o quinine. He h .
ad o chest of mesh- i Mr. Layard- Do you attribu .
transport
1.1:t ntlemen should stand up and endeavour to make them
unimPeoched. But what consolation was that to a man end Lord Raglan. Let it be remembered that Lord Rag- house that I was deeply impressed with the responsibility The late Government had said tha they inten(ded to'tl: i g constituencies were to beconshlered at all, it WaS time hon.
hority in the
who was labouring under professional disgrace ? He could lan had previously noticed Lord Lucan in such a way that attached to the few words vrhich I might utter on that forward a bill to amend the law of church rates; brthutreah
raceknowled,ed. There was another consideration he wished cines and surgical appliances with him, which he thought to the negligence of anY
not think that the discipline of the army required the per- he received the thanks of both houses of Parliament. Lord occasion. I consider that the thanks of the Parliament of was rendered unnecessary, for. ahs the law now stoottl a I
I ts; submit to the notiee of tho house They were often quite sufficient for all purposes. There were sufficient 1 service ?
o business to be
petration of injustice, or that the public service could be haglan held all the while a private opinion upon Lord England are the most inestimable reward which an Eng- rates could not be imposed wit out the consent ol
it e
i Captain Freemar -The vessel had n
;nbe called u on to vote considera.lele sums of money for the , ppliance- f
or conductino operations after the battle of ,
promoted by degrading as zealous, gallant, and efficient a Lucau's conduct, and he had been forced by Lord Lucan lishman can attain, and rank with those symbols of the - jority of the vestry, and, consequently, there chu s nos .
sinte4nce of great institutions, such as the British 1'
' ' is • ' ! detained there at that time of the year.
t en board
eoldier as we had in the service. The honourable gentle- himself to disclose it, in vindication of his own conduct. feelings with which sovereigns are wont to distinguish no „„on for interfering with the law. When it was corni
Ansi
Inkerman. The hospiail tents were never much crowded 1 By the Chairman-The provis•ons were kep
ne anh the National Gallery, wince, being in towns,
man opposite said that he would not impeach the hen- Ali that had been said bY Lord Raglan had been said in their subjects. Now I say that Government have at- petent that a rete could bo raised without this consent o t i_ u
emextent, showed the principle of the objection he had except in wet weather, when the smell within them was in order to he ready to einbara at any time. he
our of •Lord Lucan, but he added that, if he had been self-defence. Lord Raglan must be left to his full discre- tempted to treat this as a mere ceremony and idle pageantry, the majority it was different; but now a bill was wholly o som
e stated that
very little provision
josh
already urged. He begged to atk, what building was very offensive. He raw the dead house of the gen, led Cepteiss D irk was then called. H .
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ei.
a Rusirean general, he would either have died under the lion. There were cases of officers in the Peninsula who %%hen they asked in this solemn manner the House of Com- unecessary.
f v reuse kina o
histitution was that-which could couipare
went. out . .
to the East wids a caress e a
knout or would be now exiled to Siberia. Lord Lucan took upon them to exercise their discretion, and to disobey MoDS to express their thanks to those general officers when air, L, thewids though the measure of the hon. baronet there-what i. . . .
hospital at Scutari. It was at Vie enh of oiie of the !
Ha left En land in August lad.
tl •1 - t , th
tat with the churches of this country in le as tan ages, o
. stores and provisions. g
0 •tober. They
halrPilY belonged to a free country, in which such extreme the orders of the Duke of Wellington, and who were never they were in possession of facts which, in their opinion, one of confiscation, and instead of tending at all te allay h i
f - I • t Con that the offered to the peer man corridors, and a very bad smeli proceeded from it.
Ile ersired at Balaklava ab mut the 19th e
measures were not iesorted to ; but the noble earl was now arought before courts-martial on that account. Probably justified them in recalling one of those general officers strife and unpleasent feeling church rates might occasion, i com ort, ant
.ins 1.-uh i .
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• Christie would
spirations ? If they were He accordinel had it i
„ y re noved. While the troops wsre ! had to lie outside for seine dem, :se Cala
suffering from the Parliamentary censure of the hon. gen- the Duke thought they had acted whet, ;at ad °emit, i„ disgrace fr„m the scene of hie achievements. (Hear, it would only increase them and just change the parties. for the exercise o Ins re 'gems a
' hl of the har-
t the stest difficul t
tleman opposite, and the Siberia to which he was banished there was 'plenty of precedent for exercising a discretion in hear.) I do not think that it is acting fairly by the With regard to the letting a pews, in his own locality, he to give up church Ttes,. he leh)liehveetionier;
onr chu;cheys at Varna the Third Divisi„n were encamped near the !n .t ahew them to enter. He said the ouss•ee
cm._ of
was the profeesional disgrace in which he remained, and the carryiue out of orders. He left the matter in the nous, of commone, and it is acting unjustly and unfairly believed, there was not a single pew that was paid for, would be founst in weping ut t . •
Coniehssariat stores, and got plenty of po: ter, bitter I hour \vat ae safe as the inside. He off, red bihonsh:Dti.
which incapacitated him from again holding a command in hands of the house ;it was for them to say whether or not to Lord Lucan, that, after haviae had this vote of thanks ~,,,il consequently that part of the scheme would be an as they now existed.
I , ! vai ms feet, to the Eegliell autherities at C
ehusw
ant te the loss of the vessel
Mr. MOWBIaIY opposed the motion. The hon. mem- beer, and tea. The tea was sold to Vie men at Is. 4,1, !i" a !
the service until these charges were disproved. Lord,Lucan i proper cue had been made out, or one that „died for jo. nnaui,nor,aly accorded by the *House of Commons, Ise utter failure.
1 e at Admiral Boxer's offices ; but they were r I
.eu
had been examined before a committee of that house the tuiry. (Cheers )
per lb. ; the quality was excellent. There was a ivasit i nei'l ' d already.
- ,en lie eroned teat thrre were. iheney on ban . ef_
here for souse years past they had beers able .. .
should be recalled with a slur upon his reputation Mr. R. PHILLIHORE wahnot inclined himself to offer bur for Birmingham had said, would they show him any
teedeedi•roi, of Ilmeituee at Constantinople. Ile understood tliat a lie „i_ree : the pr„visions at a very reivonable Price' riu
ethor day, and when he had finished giving his evidence, Mr. FRENCH thought that it would not be easy to re- free' the scene of his achievements, I think, sir, this re- any opposition to the first reauing. The hon. baronet had great town w , e
l'ilr.
" hon. member of the committee said to hint (Lord Elcho), ply to the statement of technical difficulties in the way of quires FOole eXPIMI3I.IOII from Governmeut. It would be told the house tied he wished to introduce the measure iu to enforce church rates ? A returthhael behn 0 e.
h • I 1 , • • ,h• d b • •
" Ile file Proved himself, by his evidence, to be an able inquiry that the houso had just hea,rd. Lord Leman, how- pr•=sulnillg itt ille tO :111.0Mpt to form an oeinion as to the order that they should have an opportunity to examine its the house ber the lionenseni . . .
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t, .
h. e
ber for lavistock whit, shoe et twee he:mate a ewe seet out, but to his knois ledge ! maw, a seeend ether of the cargo at Belaklhva t°
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and zealous officer, careful of his horses and men, and a ever, could net have demanded inquiry, immediate in- value of the professional seswices of Lord` Lucan, but, Its provisions, „a he thought that should be granted before that, in the large parishes of this metropolis, tince he eel- it never arrived. The purveyor he ai stays foiled very . 1 ildtr. He did not accept it. That w
t them.
hurch rates hod been
I air F ider slid he did not wan
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thorough master of every detail connected with his divi- quiry, on the spot, for ho eever dreamt that a report far as f can form an opinion from the discussions which they decided that those provisioun were admissable. But team' of the present question,
~c, , anxious to do everything. in his power to second him in . • 1 t
2 ter e_ Oetoww. _ . i .
1 ommissariet.
He the, ef re de-
simi.” Ho (Lord Elcho) asked whether a general so com- ,vould be made such as that which had been made. ludeed, have, taken place, they have not injured the character of if the hon. baronet thought he had gained favour with any granted in a very great number of CA4". ~• ° , .. _,
He eveetually dirp ;sal of it to the Frenc 1 c
he
etochith
8 9.8 much aeaffist church hts ettorte.
petent in the camp should be tetelly incompetent to cool- he had been assured eh General Airey „d others that the eoble lord, although he may not receive the inquiry Chia•chnian by the proposition to let the area of churches !hod that the popular feeling
At a later period it was applied for by tt -h
with* the
mend hie division in the field ?In conclueion, the noble the report would be favourable to him • and it was only which he seeks for, perhaps not with sufficient justitica- out in pews he was mistaken. It was impossible to devise By Mr. Ball-He coold confirm what had. been stated
eflieers and lie mpercd into an arrengemen . e ttd
lord said that he hopes! that house would do his noble re- when Lord Raglan's report came back 'to the C, imea that tion, but with a spirit which all must respect. However a more mischievous measure than that which proposed to seen said on the present unsatisfactory +
rates as had Weir representeta hie agreetlti.„:l.iftl,,t,,lti i
~ by Dr. Menzies, that the time required for the tilling ni, French' to let them have them at the price th yu'
lately° the justice which had been denied him elsewhere, he learned what had been done. The hon• member for that may be, it must be satisfactory, not only to the convert the entire area of churches into pews, which were sud would he. ready at the proper time stnis,ten, to a' oy '
of forms arid making out returne interfered materially betn sold for I,y him. • e the
ani, would exPress their opinion in such a manner as might Bristol had omitted to speak of the cherge of the heavy noble lord, but to the country, that a distinguished officer to be lot out to the wealthiest bidder. (Hear, hear.) Ho reasonable change and compromise which might Oa Yr°-
induco the noble lord at the head of the Government to brihades. That charge was executed by General Searlett, who has been engaged in the late struggle has been show, tho„ght the rights of conscieuce with Dissenters should be toted. He leeked earnestly for such a proposition from with the hospital inspector in fulfilling his duties.
i f the pledee
troop were very much in want of provistons :
rocominend her Majesty, in the undoubted exercise of her but it was planned by Lord Lucia, who was therefore en- not unworthy of the conhdenee of the public, and I hope relieved from the tax ; but he wished to ask the hon. ba- her Majesty's Government, in redempt-on en
ohe e By the Chairman-The division to whims he was at-
unquestioned prerogative, to grant that professional in- titled to a share of the merit. The hon. member accused the result of the diecussion will soothe the wounded spirit ronet if it svas proposed to include Scotland? as he thought vhich had been given by their predecessors 1.1 pi. eehtlahY tached had not sufficient stores durino ten days after b the did riche
Captain auk replied t a . . erantiesh Bay
quill' which could alone vindicate the noble earl from the the noble earl of not having attended to the first order ;of Lord Lucan. (Hear, hear.) I cannot say that I think the right of conscience with the:Dissenters of Scotland of whom were members of the present At ministi anon. .
Examination continued-He was in ea
eyed no
He cony
professional disgrace under which he now more or less but that was imhossible,e for redoubts could not be cap. the motion, •either in the spirit in which it was brought should bo considered as well as those of this country. aelieving there must be such a compromise, he would re- their arrival before Sebastopol on the 2eth of September. and found it very well ordered.
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laboured. (Hear, hear.) tared by cavalry alone. Lord Lucan was, therefore, oblige(' forward or the spirit in which it was seconded, is one eir, BENTiNcie protested. against the measure being eord his vote sighinst the proposition. He made application at Belaklava for medical stores, sick or wounded, as his was not a transport DIP° „, of
, Mr. C. P. VILLIERS (Judge Advocate-General) said
Lord PALMERSTON-Sir the uestion which the hon.
to wait for infantry, but it did not appear that any order which the House of Commons can sanction, but ido not brought forward at a time when a full attendance of the , , q
but there were none there. Mr. Layard-Dal you know that at the! tun
but tome
for an advance of infantry was ever given But the second wish it to be inferred that lat all join to {was belief an °pi. house was impossible, and whon they had no intimation of neinber for the lower Hamlets has brought under the con-
filthy state,
December. It woe then in a
that he was not going to dispute many of the propositions
order WAS 8° Plain that •it could not haeh b e ' teken. nion respe tin Lord Lucan whicli is adverse to his pie- what course her Majesty's Government intended to take in sideration of the house is beset with great and serious diffi- I By Mr. Layard-He never fonnd toner conflict of au-
onstructed.
laid down by his hon. friend the mover, and his noble captain Nolan, who brought it, was an officeernofinglat re- fessional reaputgation as a gallant and distinguished offi-cer. the matter; but as there was no longer a Coalition Ministry sulties. (Hear.) The difficulties are of two kinds. It is thority between himself and the commandant For all 'scatter IhndiEngi places werearibdefethe
Avon, was after-_
friend the seconder, of this address, and parti„larly many puto, and he showed that he had no doubt as to the mean- Lord PALMERSTON-Sir, I must equally object to on the Treasury benches, and as the noble lords and right exceedingly difficult to maintain tho law as it is ;it is also I aiptaiini
1.11 silent:
iceofumEn
military purposes the commandant had the direction of n I nd last year, and conveyg
of the ultra-Liberal propositions of the latter with respect ing of it bY voluuteering to show the way, and by riding the motion, whether placed upon the grounds upon which hon. gentlemen seated there were supposed to agree with exceedingly difficult to alter tthe law in. a satisfactory . , . . wan sca a
1 g 3 .. le. After the bat
to the right of that house to inquiry generally into all a certain distance in front when he received the shot by it was moved for or plachd on ,he grounds of my noble each other, it would be easy to determtde the opihion of the manner. _ ,
b.
Now the difficulties surroundine the present the hospital buddinos but he could not tell what were a number of troo sto Con. ta,ntanop dessa.
1 't • • **
' • P wounded men to 0 ,
which be was unfortunately killed. The noble earl, there- friend. I hope that nothing which has passed in the de- Government on the matter by ascertainin the views of the state of the law have long been felt. In the hrst p ace, i
4
st
that of6cer s in ructiens. It was his
! duty to remove of the Alma he conveyed some
By Lord Seymour-He left Balaklava on th ou
h
matters they thought proper and to call the prerogative e
' tore, had ne discretion left him • had he sought to exercise bate will be considered as passing any imputation what. particular members. The noble lord the member for the keeps up animosities between different religious sects, aui- .
He then
of the Crown particularly in question. These were ques- any the day might have been los't. That had been called ever on the military character of the noble lord who is the City of London, when expressing himself on a former occa- inosities iu every way prejudicial to the iuterests of the any nuisances from the buildin e He had never any
r• g-
' - with some more wounded to the Chersorese.
hurricane.
tions he should leave entirely tis the house, and should con- a disastrous charge. He considered it one of the most glo. subject of the discussion. Nothing can be more painful to sion, hhd said he did not think it would be wise or oonslS- land, and, I should say, prejudicial to the interests of reli- difficulty with the purveyor, trom whom he re.adily ob-
went to Balaklava, and was there during the
as about the
fine himself to the point whether theY should or not agree rious charges that ever was made by any body of cavalry, the house than discussions of this kind, involving as they tent with the position of the Established Church in this gion-(hear) -and it MUSt be admitted- on all hands that, tained everything he • required. The duties of hospital
t do yen
to an address to the crown to institute a court-martial for The dispositions made by the noble earl that day were do the feelings of individuals, and matters of personal couutry to abolish church rates ; and as the motion of the if an arrangement could be made for maintaining and re-
inspector at Scutari were so numerous that one man Mr. La ! d A 'enced seaman vsha
yar .- san expen
the trial of the Earl of Lumen He should take issue di- su hicient to check the Russian advance and he was him- conduct. (Hear, hear.) They must be topics, which, hon. baronet did propose their total abolition, the house had pairing churches without involving the question of religious ' •
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think of the anchoraee at Balaklava .
outside the
retitle' with the mover of the resolution uponwhether Lord self wounded. He could conceive no int • h t bth b• t d h t be the occasion a right to suppose the noble lord would himself oppose the controversy, it would be a great blessine. (Hear.) If, could not discharge them efficiently.
justice greater than w a ever e esu jec an w a ever
Co tein Ellison.-No vessel ought to lie
Lucan was or was not entitled to an inquiry into this mat- that which had been done to the noble earl. which gives rise to them, thehouse must always feel a dis- motion ; and recolloctiug the high position he held. in the then, for a long time, the maintenance of (lurches has de- By Lord Seymour-Ile did not see the limes com. ,P i
ter, and to haves court-martial. He might, however, first Mr. J. G. PHILLIMORE said if Parliament were to Position to avoid, unless forced by absolute necessity. I Government, and the unanimity which prevailed through. peuded on the law, and if there had been differences in missioner at Scutari, and did not know whether or not her.
Hi: I:av das 3ianOsidoen, boat:les:a:: idmtb tywraine,diraancd:as despatc ea
harbour.
nsintrdtih.reto
an
obsehrvtehthat this motion fer inquiry was not brought for- sanctions, precedent for interference in proceedings of this think they are to bo peculiarly avoided when they relate out of its ranks, ho (Mr. Bentinch) imaginea that it would the coustruction of that law, wo had a decision not long ,
W.,,ars-_, there as, a„n °_,rigirlal motion, but as an appeal from nature, there would notbeany person whee would netcawfore to officers in the army, and to matters of military die- also be opposed by those on the treasury benches. (Hear.) ago on the interpretation of the law which has materially ue was there at the same time with him• He, however,
"3 "c'sion ot me uoinneander-in-Chief, the other house the interpositionof Parliament to interfere with thecrown cipher,. It is quite natural in the present state of things, Lord STANLEY said that the proposition of the hon. increased our diificulties. When it is stated by hon. gen- saw Miss Nightinglale, and found that she had done a hospital ship, and he had as many as 81'.
b o Eu
rx faouri i.
tnhartei
d for them.
of Parliament, and tho legal authorities who had been COD- There were cases in which Parliarnent, as the and • • ••• when the attention of the coantry has been so painfully bait., that the debate should bo taken on the second read- tlemen oppoeite that the maintenance of tho rubric of the
gr inquiet
great amouut of ood. The system of orderlies in the wounded in bed. No prepAration was ma e h which
g
d the sme we
esulted, on the subject ; and also that his hon. friend had tion of the realm might exercise this duty The caee of directed to the military events of the war-it is quite na- ing, was a more consistent course than discussine the mew- church is pat of the established law of the land, they
The men were in a very sad state, an ke to -eii•
hospitals was most inefficient. In his opinion trained
:'roufgat forward a motion for precisely the same form of Lord G. Sackvill'e, which had been quoted:w.as different to tam], that the house should sympathise in this feeling, and sure at present, and he himself did not intend te stand in should bear in mind that, by a recent decision, there is no
d fro the was dreadful. He sr' - h cenee
emanate
o_lll'l7, for which Lerd Lamm had asked, and which he to thie case. Lord George Sackville had been branded, and I ha,ve its attention directed to matters of this kind ; but, its way ; bat for all thebill contained-possessing ae it did such law to onforce,-(hear, heare-for the moment it is soldiers ought to be employed in that duty. He also Laws° mber,
eonwereeksue,mwedh-enHheie rveemssaeilnwedas ituro
sick
and
'tau aireadY been refueed for the reasons which had been as- justly branded, in his opinion, as a coward b bt th t* I th* kth h eht tt f rget so few details, and evoluting so little of real principle-it decided that the levying of church rates must depend en
y one of t e a e sante ime, iu o ouse ous, no o o
, thought that in an hospital of such magnitude the duties on board every day. He left them on the 4th Dece t
propes
ill_gned. Now, what were the precise facts of the case? On first generals ef his age, and the effect produced in England that the command of the army is by the constitution vested mattered little whether their views were expressed then the votes of the majority, it is no longer part of the law
fill' eeulations should b
sue 28th November Lord Lucan became aware of certain was, that he was brought home and deprived of all his in the Crowu, and if the house-whorie power I would not or on anY other occasion. (Hear.) One remark he might of the land that the Church shall be maintained by' rates, of ing up forms and r e e Entrusted with upwards of 800 sick and wounded on board.
f
reports which Lord Raglan had made with respect to his offices. The contrast in the present case was reat, . for I
arter bef"c"°ur
westnne to limit or define-if the house takes up the habit make was, that every one agreed that the present state of for it is optional to levy them or not. lam sorry to hear to some other officer than the inspector, as they took up provisions were supplied to them.
conduct on the 25th October; and he then expressed to Lord Lord Lucan had been accused of miscouceivingg an order of interfering with the discipline of the army-takes to the law was most unsatisfactory. (Hear.) From the Re- that antagonism which has been endeavoured to be raised too much valuable time, and rendered his duties ex- The committee then adjourned at aqu
Lawson severTl timensl on the subject. Dr.
Raglan his displeasure at the manner in which his conduct at a critical moment, and under circumstances which made itself questions which, for the good of the service and the form Bill of 1832 till the present time he had found no Go. between large towns and country parishes. That conside- .
o'clock until to-morrow.
, , t emely heavy.
on that occasion had been reported upon by his lordship. such a charge venial. His count e and zeal were unqu s- maintenance of good order in the army, ought necessarily wernment which had asserted its satisfaction with the pre. ration should not be mixed up with this question . mit r -
Lord Lucan called in question the veracity of Lord Raglan in tionable ;he had been deprived gof no offices, and eveary to be left to the Crown-it will do a great injury to the sent state of things. Every Ministry had thought it wor- even if we come to that, in those very parishes which' may Captain Bamford, of the 63d Regiment, who was
y wounded by a shell at Inkerman, was next called, and
his communication to the Minister, and thereupon there person had the highest respect for his conduct and character country, the extent of which it is not easy to foresee, thy of its notice, and every Minister had felt that it be the largest, and in which the church from its povert
arose a series of communications between Lords Lucan and during his service. Was this, then, a case for Parliainen-
--__ __see.--
(Hear.) I think, on the grounds which have been stated, required amendment, and if such an amendment may most need repair, the majority may be adverse
„ xamined by General Peel.
Raglan, the PurPort of which, on the part of the latter, was tary interference? He did, not, however think that the that it is a. case in which it is impossible to greet a court- could be Pro Posed as would be satisfactory to the to levying the rate and the church may be lett e• DERBY SMITHFIELD.--gst and the
that the former should withdraw his communication, and fact of Lord Lucan having been since employed was a rea- martial. I think the examples which have been adduced claims both of Nonconformists and Churchmen, it without any repair t:t all, I think we must all admit He stated that he had read the evidence which had There was a large supply of fat stock to-d_ h
edafo'r the best
should remain satisfied with the report Lord Raglan origi- sou for refusing a court-martial, for it was a principle of as a justification for a court-martial go quite the other ought to be supported. But no such satisfactory compro- that an alteration in the law is very desirable. (Hear, been given with respect to the withholding of the knap- quality generally good ; high prices were ash
of sheeP w"
natty made. Lord Lerma was unwilling to do this, pertina- jurisprudence that any man could waive a right which was way. Lent George Germain Wag accused of not having mise was proposed ; and in the absence of such a, proposi. hear.) How that alteration is to be made is a very serious sacke, and ha believed that it was hicorrect. Seine of 1 t h• h • est. The numbeiii•d
meas s, w ic were in requ store calves
ciously adhering to his explanation of the events of the introduced for his particular defence and the case in which dente enough ; Lord Lucan is found fault with for having don, there Was no necessity to deal with the matter in the question and I would, therefore bee to refrain, at the pre- '
laree and buvere equally plentiful. Fat a
25th of October at Balaklava. Lord Raglan felt himself the honour of a soldier was coneer ' d t .h Ne d t• h• th manner that it should otherwise be dealt with. There had sent mom, ent, from ''''• l' I • •
ned eught not to be go- one oo muc . oo y ques ions is courage or e ox-
pronouncing any eecime opinion on the knapsacks arrived on the 12th November, and were h a- •
numerous. lags scarce. hd;
ti e .
ehh, hd to .
COUNTRY lIIARKET:c. 0
27.
bonnd, at tho same time, in vindication of his own de- Yarned by a practice like that of the Old Baile Althowth emplary devotion which he exhibited for the public service been many Miuisterial ineaeures upon the subject within that point. It is said that tte bill which has been intro- issued directly afterwards. Biles were excavated for The ftllowing were the quotat.on- •---13 ito 6id Far
epatch, to send hie observations and comments upon Lord he could not assent to this argument, the othei• argument throughout the whole period of the time in which he was the lest twenty years but no ome of thorn had been found dined by my hon. friend is identical with that which was
muitea, 7d to 7hd ; lamb, Od to Od ; hneel,,,a6,a, At he to Cli
Lucan's letter to him. Lord Raglan then entered more appeared to him irresistible, that no case had been made the tents, but he never heard that an order was issued
employed in the Crimea. Hie case is precisely the reverse to receive the approbation of the house (Hear ) 0 re'ected last ear I don't think that assertion is quite cor- -
fully into his reasons for Lavine determined upon express- out in which the House of Commons could interfere with fthtfL IG G • b h Fitt t tt ttft! I b h '•
• • ne
j y • h ' h 11 -1 t
o a o ow corgi erniain, ecause not toa ig es s a emen o re ion. aronet ad been misunderstood ; reet. (Hear, hear.) My on. friend as s las ow et ou , that no knapsacks should be issued until these holes per 141 b. • hides, 3ed to 4id per ,
lb • call's' '
ing some disapprobation of Lois% Lucan's conduct on that a proper reeard for its own dignity, and for the (1. •t f
igni y o imputation is in his case attached to those military qua- that which related to the power of raceiving voluntary aid indeed, ho has explained very clearly, the plan which he were dry. Mr. Flower, who had given that evidence, lb '
per .
day, yet so far modified his mention of that conduct as the Crown.* titles which were said to be deficient in Lord George Ger- in the repairine of churches. By the law as it now stands, proeoses to substitute for the simple abolition of church
that no slur sh •
sees eick nearly the whole titne, and was confined to his
--"--
hf BCH 28.
lb. ; pigs, Os 6d to 9s 9,1 per score ; ro gh let.; 4sl th I:"
--ould be cast on the noble earl's military re- Mr. BELLEW said if the law was to be adhered to it main. (Hear.) eir, I think, therefore, that there are the churchwarden is responsible for therepair of the chn h- rateh which lie brought forward last year. Them efore, sir, • - '
EDINBURGH GRAIN.--41 Os ha up.
rc ,
sufficient groutels why no court•niartial should be granted but as a churchwarden may decline to adcept of voluntary tent. The knapsacks were supposed to be waterproof -
putation, and that he should not be precluded from re- was impossible to grant the inquiry as demanded. It Was
while reservi e to the Government the fullest freedom to
„1 the pats ou
coeving military honours and tb dm h rhth b
ne
Wheat on the top ls Od up, an is 2d uP• Beans
Pilialia et It e --anos 0- etwo eouses of impossible for the house at the present time to judge be. -grounds technical, grounds of expediency, and °wounds aid to carry out those repairs, it was proposed by the bon, deal with this measure as proposed, I for one shall cers he could hot saY whether they were so or not. Barley on the top 3s up, and averageoe 23 down'
municamtinon.to thew
;Is
nuipsotn Lord Raglan sending this com. tween Lord Raglan and Lord Lucan ; and although the of general arta particular consideration The ri;ht hou- beronet to alter the law in that respect. (Hear.) As to tainly not oppose the introduction of the bill. (Cheers.) By Lord Seymour-When he was wounded he was the top Os B€l up, and tbe average ~ s,
s ea ue.
i er of War that that Minister die statement of the tat •
tei was a most able one, still the house ourable gentleman (Mr. Disraeli) who had just sat down the question of pew rents, that was a matter of detail; but Mr. HFiNLEY said he would uut discuss the proposition,
rage
covered there were essential differ . • -
t k d • 13! 1. 1-1 b
aen oon to aa t ava y an ambulance waggon, on the top as before, and the ave _
.__.
ences between the lieu- could not form an opinion of the case from it as et for it has adverted to circumstances which, I think, tell in a dif. the hon. baronet did not • t Ih (L b t Id ••I h. •t • eainst it as the best rotest.
829 hre
in me , e ord Stanley) pre- u wou reams is NO oao ..
tenant-geneael of the cavalry and the commander of the wag only the statemeut of one part In I • •
Total Supply and Sate.
.. sold r
rs
y• 'L d ferent manner to that in which he h 1' d them He sum dtht tl h
us opineee Or .
1 I I • eesPof " Di. which was a very unpleasant mode of travellino He
e , a re w ole area, of the church should be so de- Mr. SPOONER, who rose arelC St out cm .
„.
forces, and upon that ground, and that ground alone, for- Touca.a had as a soldier been h Y•
-1 th• 1 I. • • ' ' ""P
le
:
Wheat 1035 ors ............. _sold 91e a
tifie 1 by the opinion of t unity treated, and it was
he commander-in chief in this with the greatest regret that he felt it his dut to voto salt at ler 3 ejesty s Government seemed to treat lightly voted :IA tO be let out in hired pews but to le
the thanks of the House of Cutaneous because the h a lar • ' ' aye open tl•ie wide," begged to remind the house that the reeson given by much
oer proportion of them. Hear hair fro' h W the noble lord Viscount Palmerston) for entertainine this .
( , . , n air . ( . . preferred the French mode of conveying their Barley
1145 4" ************** sold 1805 gra
********* Id 243 qrs
a sick on mules. It was much easier and safer for the Oats "1914 firs ******* so
country, considering that such differences; were highly pre. against the motion. He felt it to be his duty-for it was ' recalled an officer-as he says, in die ' th hI y a CI ' )
grace, wic utterly ay. But the whole matter had not yet come to the project-the total abolition of church rates-was, the
1
jud'cial to the service, it was decided that the lieutenant- not right, after the Crown had exerted its prerogative, and deny-btcause they had recalled an officer to whom the time for full discussion ; still at present he mieht say that alteration in the law, whereas that alteration took place in men. On the transports he saw the men lying about Beans
***
351
gra ''''''''''''' 64i lb 83, 0
• Od
gensralof the cavalryshouldberecalled. Upon Lord Luc tn's deliberately declined to grant a court-martial, for the house thanks of the House of Connnons had been given. As far he thotetht a fair trial should be awerded the propead, in 1833 and the noble lord spoke in objection to a similar upon the decks. He was conveyed on board the Trent, Top of Wheat .................•-•••••• •••• hht lb 403 ,
recall he a • •
pplied immediately for an inquiry into the to attempt to wring from the Crown what it had before as the military character of an officer is concerned, that the abs Ace of an h * ' -- ' - .'• • • -4
yot er measere. (Cheers.) proposition in 180 . - Barley . •"••••• 46i :Is 36t 01
which bad about 150 men on board. It was ,
the wor t - Oats ..............................
,_ .b hht 0
affair. He (Mr. Villiers) mentioned these things to show refused to give.
motion for the thauks of the House of Commons is a proof Mr. DRUeLIIOND thought that the hon baronet had Mr. LUSHINGTON expressed a hope that her Majesty's 69 1
what it was that was submitted to the authorities, and Colonel DUNNE said it must be exc " I 'f 1 f
essive y pun a or ' •
Milt Lorl Lucan well deserved the thanks of the House of asked the house to give his assent to a. revolt!. • G 11t th C t b f• • (.1
tionary mea- °merriment wou sse is ques ion at res yaau an sbip he was ever in. There was no convenience or pro- - Beans ...
what led them to decide that Lord Lucan was not en- Tt
-----
ami i ary man to give an opinion on this case •be there- Commons, and places his character in a position in which sure. The churches of England were national property. reasonable measure. vision of any kind. It was positively dreadful. He
titled to the cou-t-mar •
BOSTON-Manmen 28. but
• teal he demanded. That was fore only wished to say a few words with res ' t h
pec to t o his best friends could wish to have it placed. But was he As soon as hon. members adnatted that it was not a na- The house then divided-
f vr_ eat,
what the house re uired to kn
did not know what sort of bedding there was on board . o h
claimed it q
1. ow. Lord Lucian had very curious doctrine on military matters laid down by the recalled for any reason at variance with that vote of thanks? tional obligation to uphold them, and to pay the ministers For the motion
an unqua died right and privilege of every Juhge-Advocate. The Judge-Advocate said that it was Why the reason was simply this-that, questions of differ- who performed Divine worstip, they had better do what .A.gainst it
officer to hat:e
done, at Is Pe ra
a coure-martial to inquire into his conduct. not right to question what had already been decided, and, iirico having arisen between him and his commanding nine-tenths of tee supporters of this measure desired te do Majority in favour of the motion -79 the hospital on a stretcher. Some of the sick were heeded asked only a small retail business, whs
e I spring ee
The house had
se nuigut. n
ander the currency of this day
seen Lord Raglan's comments on his con- therefore, that a soldier had no right to question what had officer-the Commander-in-Chief-those differences aps -pull down the Established Church altogether. (Hear.) It EFORaIATORY SCHOOLS. that day, and others remained on board. He was taken
M te
duct , h
•t ey had since heard his re nest for a court-m C I been de hl d b •
no material alteration.
q aria . me y his superior authorities. In the abstract peered to place both of them in relations to each And if that was the intentiou of the hon. baronet, why did Mr. ADDERLEY
hite 68s et-
postponed his motion for leave to
to 67s Od • w ,
The request had been ref d
other incompatible with the ood of the service In the he not manfully avow it? This WAS a class movement It bring iu a bill oethis subject, and observed that, immedi- Average
to the barrack hospital. His allowance per day was a Prices :-Wheat, red, 62s Od ,
... et. Oats,
use ,as well as the demand he he agreed 'with this ; but he thought that it was a sub• t
first made; and he mentioned those things to show that by fur consideration whether the adviee tendreil to the CrOZ:n opinion of her iihrdesty's Cgovernlndlent,t. it wta•s impel- was the middle class of people who had bought ho (.Isub-
law and usage Lord Lucan had been already absolutely re- should not becondetnned or thahttafter a ( ectritionhwas made possible that these tilvo office tte - ject to the burden of church-rates, who called uUBI7; Pr- sure ter the amendment, in some minor respects, of the were no means of cooking. He was attended by Dr.
per
qr.
a jt,:ilvyeranfltee4r3tfieseen,,ELsit, eizl•arie:tfisls:sltie..,,sshiooLiu.td. introduce a urea,. pound of raw meat, with some bressd and tea, but there
fused the inquiry by court-martial he now asked of the which the whole countr ' thou them and in conse pience of thsatcooninioeonnli,ournS. Louacacn wgaes Bement to pass this bill, and thereby rob the cher:A, anad '2!?),3s tl2BVrlsa'as,
house. He thought the noble earl, when he applied for a P
'Forbes, who was very assiduous in the performance of
reeluded from giving yen oplion7roahancaes leirleb7:isa brought home ; lt:ut he was not Cought home in disgrace lay the pew syetem proposed by the hon. baronet, cheat the AGRICULTTJRAL AVERAGES (IRELAND).
court-martial as his unquestionable right, was under a mentioned in which the house had called on the Crownto or with any reflection on his character. He was brought poor out of those churches into which they had a right to
home on the ground of a personal difference with his supe- go. (Hear.) Mr. .BLAND moved for leave to bring a bill for the his duties. There was no supply of linen. He never NEWARK-Melton 28. a
most erroneous impression. There was, indeed, no person, grant a court-martial. Tho charges iu this case appeared
We had a good attendance of farmers to-day, with
saw the deputy-inspector in the hospital. At all events
however humble the rank he held in the siervice, who did simple, but they were of serious import. In the first place, nor offieer, without any reflection on his character, and lAn HON. MEMBER—Divide, divide. better taking of agricultural averages in Ireland.
large supply of grain.
tcl;
odßitVeiss
02(17.8 Oitlets,si Ite. 0 ,
1. t 0 oh
not know. that there was no right whatever in any officer disobedience of an order in which Lord Lucan had exer• should be the last man in the world to sanction the infer- 3lr. DRITAIAON-D-Yes, you me divide and I ellen Leave given. he never came to the ward in which he was placed. He
PLACES OF WORSHIP REGISTRATION BILL.
to call for a court•martial as a means of inquiry into his cised his discretion iu not advancine, because the infant et:cc thus drawn. I therefore trust that the house will divide agsinst You. (Lau h ''Y '• ' supposed Olt the military commandast aw 3 responsible • ' ? e rie Od • rindine.
ry
g ter.) Ihe people of this coun- hlr PELLATT obteined leeve to brine in a bill for the " ' ` to 70s Od. 13arley, malting, ohs Orl to 0 s , 2 eh,
own conduct. Those who entered tho service di I s
~ 0 volun_ were not sent. If he had obeyed lie must have advanced neeative this motion, as there are no expedient nor possi- try are as much bound to support the national Church as - • ' ' ' for the deficiencies which existed in the hospital. Prices .-Wheat white 72s Od to 74s 9d; red, 63' 04
233 Od to 30s Od. Oats, old, 30s Od to 34s 03 ; new, a
tante', and they knew (as the most elementary works un without the infantry ; and having exercised his discretion Isle 'wounds for the house togra,nt it. (Hear, hes r.) they are to support the Queen's palaces. registration of places of religious worship.
military law taught) they did so on the condition that they lie was acclaim:l of having disobeyed the order. In a shori afr. E. DENISON said if the debate ended at this point Col. SILITHORP-Hear, hear, hear. (Lau thter ) FREE SCHOOLS. By Mr. Layard-He did not believe tbat the Gb
4's Od. Malt 68s 0.1 to 70s Od. Tares, 60s Od to 64. s im
might be dismissed the army without any reason assigned, time the second order came, and he was accused of havin there was one man who would have reason to complain of Mr. DRUM3IONDo-The supporters of thisl'ineas*ure al- Mr. M. GIBSON moved for leave to bring in a bill to Regiment had been so reduced as bad been stated. He ' '
g
...-•-•,,,,,,..„.,
and without any redress against the voluntary judgment obeyed that order ; and further, for not havine brought the coin•se which it had taken. Ile meant Lora Raglan, ways say that :ts object is to maiutain our institutions. establish freo sellouts iu Engls.nd and Wales.
bad not heard of the regiment since January, but he -
td Od to 268 Oci. Beans, 42s Od. to 44s Od. Peas, 49s Pd.°
of the Crown. Iti was uselesa to discuss the matter. The the heavy cavalry into the same daneer as the ligrit cavalry aria he must protest against anything which would weaken Your Reform Bal was introduced to maintain our institu- After a few words from Mr. MILES,
SEABORiVE MAILS.
-question of that prerogative had been discussed in that Ile had spoken to matey officers of 1711 reeks, aud they :I'll or faittor away his authority. It wuuld be unjust to him tient and • b.. • b'll t 11 1 th CI h f
• , )011 ling' in a i opu ( own e lure or
-Sao t-06'..
house-the question whether such powers ought to be en- ,tereed that if the Earl of Lucan had not made that ed. and detrimental to the country. the purpose of maintaining our institutions But I say would let the house understaud whether they intended to By General Peel-As fast as the knapsacks came up ,
Mr. WALPOLE expressed a hope that the Govetnment presumed it was at Balaklava.
1 i serest th t
trusted to the Crown-even in that house there had been Vance he would have suffered very severe! in charact•or Lord ELCFIO appealed to the hon. member for Bristol that your civil list and your national palaces. stand upon bring forward the Education Bill of the noble lord the
they were delivered out, but he did not know whether ' ti,,he' nig'hte---s ruaai Mby th , ' th )
e mo.rn;ra,—,sesi_a_a_e_L____..__._,_----
attoiupts made to limit that prerogative, but Parliament 13y the rules of the service the order of CI) aide-de-cam *
h to withdraw the motion, as in the course of the debate the precisely the salmi ground as your national churches end member for the City of London on the day for which it was .
bad universally decided that it was wisely entrusted to the wee equal to that of the general. It was im ossible th amplest testimony had been borne, not only to the perso. the payment of your ministers. (Cheers.) If ou put dOwn set down on the votes-the 16th of April-or whether they the whole regiment had them up to this time.
' ' Were:
oay wern stems ~ thee ei Ai. I , ,
Crown It has
h contemplated a postponement ? By Lord Seymour-Up to the time of his departure
• I been so vested in the Crown for more than a advance without comity" iuto fire when he as& have ad- nal character and honour, but likewise to the milhary ca- one, you must put down all, and do not su iirose that ou
COUNTRIES. in General Pest- port lee; mad
century, and it was, therefore, not difficult to answer the winced. up to the gurrs, for Cal'itain Nolan was kille.l pacity of his noble relative. That testimony, as well as are sups-errant, any institutions whatever bP b • (t. e '
y intent, in a Sir G. GREY replied that the bill in question would not fresh meat was brought from Ba'aklave. The ta t Office, London.* oistritcliv. i 1....• :__ _......
question whether or not Lord Lucan had an unquestionable directly, and. tbo argument about the word a advance', the observations of his whole friend at the head of the Go- dirty cowaniry bill to pull down the Church. e be brought forwaml on the 16th of April, nor was it in- _eh__ --- Ach ..°
--- z
~.,
ork was good, but the salt beef was horrible He
right to a court-martial. But then there arose the question wao a mere play upon the word. Lord Lucan was informed veins-neat, was satisfactory to himself, and no doubt would Mr. E. BILL said the hon. gentleman who-had •t t
jus sa tended to take any step iu it uutil the return of the noble P the mails are ent from tho General Fog
- • Itnerica(hyllrit.pack)N every Friday ... Liver Pool i, .
Whether it was possibleto concede the inquiry he claimed, that the French were on his left. If they had advanced be equally so to his noble relative, Lord Liman. down had cast upon the hon. baronet the member for the lord who had charge of it. very seldom saw potatoes or vegetables served out. The aruericetby United Sts. .
biyerthh,
!Mara z'
It became a question whether that inquiry could be they would have been lost, and a case had recently occurred Mr• H. BERKELEY consented to withdraw the motion, Tower Hainlets imputations of a most ungenerous and un- Sir S. NORTHWOTE expressed 3 hope that measures coffee wee at first matted, but it soon WM given them 4,l;_aecrihaat)thy-hh•h•ihh:s •••••••.• I
conceded upon the fa.cts as they were-viz., there being no where a movement had failed because co-operation was im- as, upon legal grounds, the inquiry it asked for seemed to founded nature. The lion, member for the county of Nor- would be taken for the establishment of industrial schools. .
an a raw state. packet) ..........ei SoUthaMPWili
offence proved, and, if there had been an offence proved or leasable. It was clear that subsequent employment be impossible. folk had objected to the introduction of this measure be- Tha great difficulty in the way of education dem the em-
A.ustralia (via South- on March 21
By the Chairman.-When on board the Trent he did houthamPt I
alleged by the commander of the forces, it having been amounted to a condonation, but in this case it hardly did Mr. CARDWELL said, before this discussion entirely cause the house was about to adjourn till after Eas'ter ; ployment of children at home. If, while children were
ampton) ..........M ..... .••• ••
overlooked-for Lord Raglan hadcontinuedthe employment. so. Lord Lucan was not aware of the charees which wero closed, he wished to observe upon ono remark which it but be (Mr. E. Ball) thought that that was just the reason being educated, they wero ulso learnt the rudiments of not perceive that any offensive smells proceeded from Pato (via Marseilles) N . . hover a-• I
ertain
of Lord Lucan, after the offence had been completed. The brought against him until he arrived in Engrand, and there- had called forth. The right hon. gentleman the member why the bill ought to be introduced now because in the agricalture, or of sense trade, aud enabled to employ part the hold. Ditto (via Cape of Wed . "Inc ,
" March 21
liable lord (Lord Elcho) thought that the privilege, as he fere there was no condonation of the disobedience of the for Buckinghamshire had stated that in his opinion the Easter recess hon. gentleman would have 'an op ortunity of their time profitably, the scruples of parents would be The next witness called was Captain Mare, of the htirlitldehh•h• •• •• •• ••hrhth et •,:hrh"Whii,.... piymouth " ,
overcome, and the cause of education would be benefited Andes, Government trans:port. He stated that the ves-
called it, was one for the protectian of the complainant, tirst order. He would much object to see the house forced feeling which. actuated the late Gevenment in recalling of considering it. The hon. and learned membel• for the
Acxen(ariee.t..e.east).....le,
isile:9, 2-it,.& 30 Of rit DOVer •• •!!!_ I
and that,whonever it was claimed it ought to be granted. to a division, but he trusted that the noble lord at the head and uot retarded. (Hear.) set was taken up by the Government last year. He left e1exandria..............11hth & 20th of nion. southareetet!
But let him tell his noble friend that the laws and usages of her Majesty's Government would reconsider the ques- Lord Lucan Was connected with the difficulties in which Univertity of Cambridge had said that the great objection
Mr. HADFIELD denied that there was such a want of
they were placed, and the demand of the public for vic- to this measure was, that, if it were passed, great difficul- England in April with troops for the East. The firet r ••••• il 16
in the military system were not to be so lightly dispensed floe ; if he did not think it advisabl t e • + education throughout the country as had been asserted.
Belgium .......... ~N I i /ally., .......... Dove
rheum aPr
e. o emu. a cour -
t time. • Now, that was an imputation of a character which ties would be exporieuced in obtainin •
g money to repair time he was at Balaklava. he found that the hos • 1
pita was
with ; and there was no system that was so strongly inte- inertial, he might erant a court of ''
No lhss than 2 300 000 children of the workine classes were . Brazil . At 9th of the month.. seethe
,tt!
inquir .He was sure ought not to be left in any degree of doubt, and he should churches in country places. He (Mr. E. Ball) presumed ". , a in o. very unsatisfactory condition On subsequent B i"" ••"•• •• r, • ti eouttler" uncertale
rested in seeing that there should be no capricein
taueht every week tu the Sunday schools, aid the moment . , • uenos yre5........m,J th of ihe mon 1.. , orts
troduced. that Lord Lucan stlod before the con y • bal t k .f. li •h I h' • h h f the Ite •
waiters P
ntry acquitted of any eg ar o now i e rig t y understood is noble friend tat t e poorer part o Popu a ion in those places were e occasions he found that much improvement had been Cape of Good Elope .N I
(Hear.) There was that in military law whi hd•
the Government interfered by levying rates and taxes for
c id not ex- bleine and that he had dischar ed his duties with honour at the head of the Government as having stated that the Dissenters, and yet they contrived to build and repair
ff tel • •t If clai k h Cap° of Good II N a
&mist°
ist in the civil law-there was a written and an unwritten to him'self an • g
d the service. ground of the recall was the incompatibility of Lord Lucan their chapels and to support their ministers. (Hear.) the maintenance of schools, the voluntary course of instruc- eecein i . e i not now w o had chore of
ee -- Cape de Verds (fr ‘•
',l oth of the month South
• ••
.1
law, written rules and customer
Balaklava harbour He dal not believe there
tion, which was progressing so rapidly, would be imme- • was anY . heyior, (see thole; !
Bahamas • •• •.......m!leth of the month Southall)" 'pal
y ones, which wore applied Colonel SIBTHORP was understood to make some refer- to discharge his duties when he was at variance with the You could scarcely find one country place throughout the
Commander-in-Cilia.
eat
as strongly and invariably as the others, That which was once to a circular which had been sent from the War ffi e diately stopped. proper person. Ile had anchored outside the harbour, I Ceylon-. ...• •.....teij •U " '
whole of this maonificent kingdom in which there were
..,..-mtonlT
recognised as law had as much force as that which really to the colonele of militia. The lion and 11. t -°
lea
go
~, m9o, er . Lord PALMERSTON said his ri ht lion friend had not Dissenting chl'pels which were en ot I b the vela After a few words from Mr. HENLEY and, Mr. Hey. and thought it was a rather dangerous place. • Channel the5.........Nie10n.,Wed.,&Fr0. Soutn..-!_,„,.
was law. It was a usage he was now referring to. That thea proceeded, amidst the laughte; of the house, to pass a
, .) W 4, e , mont! Southern/se' !mock he
htl dtd h t h t g .II d tI C f Dissenters.
rig yun ers oo w a e mean to state. e state wry con ri u ions o ra,rar-heYar Mr. Layard-Would you remain there :n a gale of C 1111• --••-•• - Ni .2(1*17
o . /
Usage was, that where an offence had bten committed high eulogium upon the efficiency of the Royal South Lin- that the recall of Lord Lucan turned entirely upon the dif- then, should any fear be entertained that tho wealthy part WOOD, leave was given to bring iu the bill.
SEATS OF MEMBERS. wind.
ptain Mure-On no account. China .... . .......... once a month....
i Censtantinopl, .. . t5,13,.8,23,N.,:ts 0, .. DOM' .• •;,;:,1
_...,11
either by an officer or by a soldier, which offence had been coin Militia. Fle stated, although he was not inclined to ference which had urisen between him and his superior of our population would not support the Church of which On the motion of Mr. MUNTZ, it. was aereed thai any ca
Some other returns of deaths which were re 1 Censtentinowe ... .. lids a 20th et ino. S0,10•"°19
..,TVAcew"
overlooked, and the offending party continued in his em- boast of what he had done that he would shrink from officer, thereby neeativing the imputation which had been they were members ? If there was any round for such a member having secured a seat at prayers sauld be entitled ' Cont. ef Europe M.& ..-., IT
have taken place on board the Andes were handed to Prance ........ Mit IN liTwiviecci"l:aillYyl...
ployment or engaged in actiye service, that was a good nothing in his power, and that he would s end an thin, cast upon the Dua of Newcastle. The recall was the act fear, he MUSt suppose one of tivo thingeg-either that they ported to . .
Egj pi (see India) I Twit 0
to retein the same until the rising of the house.
HOSIERY MANUFACTURE. hover •• • • - mash
plea in bar of uny proceedine against him. There was no he could to maintain the reeiment in that lefficie ; I' of the Government, for which ha was as much responsible were unwilling to support their own Church, and did nd'
fn.' SoutheMPl""l
the witness, who declared tbern to be quite incorrect. ' Gibraltar ••
end to the cases that mighebe referred to in support of Radical times the militiAad -been ce• led bac- *f
1 a as the Duke of Newcastle. t ike so deep an interest ia religion as Dissenters did, or
t • P CrE f 1 t "tt t 'd
MI. A e moved or a se ec conenn ee o consi ei
~, April 1
this usage. He had observed that the Commauder-in- economy, but he would do what he coulZPboth it:Yir Pieria:: Mr. DISRAELI-I made no imputation a ainst the that they objected to the principle of v 1 t Whit the stoppage of wages in the hosiery manufacture-that By Mr. Layard-There are great difficulties in the ! Greece (see India)
Greytown . . ...a.l!2nd & 17th et mon. SouthaniP 1
Chief had referred in another place to the case of a Cap- and in pocket, to check the consequences ; and if the time Duke of Newcastle. .I have on man , I may sgay on all lions. But he should be very uhwilling° tuoniarypuctaneitlher. Mr. Packe, Mr. Wickham, Mr. Cobbett, Sir Henry Hal. way of coaling at Constantinople, for which ope ;
rat•on no itarnhurgh ..........N,Tuesday & Friday Leadeanm•p•7l,Aprtlyl
eain Archdeck, who, having placed a man under arrest, came-and it might come soon-when the militia would be occasions, avoided terakie im utatio ye
o • tlvi lu IM. of those things to the rich members of al Chm- hef
E ford, Mr. Cheethani, Sir Joshua Walmsiey, err, Ingham, provision was made by the authorities. His vessel was 11.tvannali ..........Nli2nd of the moan flotithr .
....;pal,„
e urc o og-
led hrm afterwards into action upon a sudden emergency, called upon to maintain the cause of their Sovereie ' 'sisters. I hold the late CgabirE., a•n in
1 '• a 1-
h boy even as it sto
en, their st responsible for this mat- land. Bat t e , od at present was not Lord John Manners, Mr. Gardner, Mr. Mundy, anti Mr. detained for eight days in taking in 420 tons of coal. It lionansi ............ saluany „
...,
...... Dov,..Hipto„ !Apra t
and carried his sentence into execution when the action country, its religion, and its laws-when it did come so tir and therefore I made no er 1' tt• th ulsor with regard to the • ' • Berg be appointed, with power to send for persons, papers, would have been accomplished at Malta in 20 hours. tlondurat . ..... .... tuit7th of the knout}, 140,t.'7
, uth " i
p. toeidsafimpu a ion upon a comp . y , „,,.. , repair of the fabric of the ee.
tate osiasouteampterehui a 20th et' tn.., PlYne-r
..... .1
Was over, was broken by the Duke of Wellington, humble an individual as himself should not be want:tie Duke of Newcastle, as dist'
t I Ili t b th
are recoil s, ant vo o e e quorum.
for so •
doing. Thera was also the case of another man who Mr. DISRAELI-Sir, I trust the question will not be ber of the Cabinet to whichagtus I rom any other mem- _ "It ivh n
Est iblished Churc.. it out the assent ol the majority of Mr. Layard-Did you ever see Admiral Boxer at Con- In'iia (via Ilaileilles;:d 9th&2sth of moil) D°v •• 1 iceds''''
he belonged ; but with reeard the ratepayers, a c urc rate could not be im oses or or
p i hh Mr. CRAUFURD opposed the appointment of a com- stantinople?
loniau Isles (see Ind Ji)r 7, 1.7, &27 of inottiDo heel ,e.,,areh 26
had bee •
n guilty of using mutinous language, and of having put to a division. Having followed the debate I entirely to this or any other matter of a like nature I • * • t .
, recognise no in owns or in country places. And, -
gradually, the whole of mittae. He trusted that if the committee were granted, an
Captain Mure-Ves •
. I was directed to call upon bim. ~ . • 'h •• - •N' 11,,1,T. • . ~la
[reload . 1% lAr ' Twice daily ......1.- . ~tea
. ISotaliarn, .
struck his superior officer, yet who had been released from sympathise with the feelings of a soldier like ford Lucan, difference between the late Cabinet and the present. I look the country would refuse to give their tssent to th 1 vvine opportunity would ba given to make a fair appointment.
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•-• -"'7' "' 17' 1" °t 'IL' utharnetositt 6116
Mr Layard-What snrt of a man was lie ?
arrest because he had been in action subsequently to the who has served his Sovereign and his country with excel- upon them both as the same Administration. (A laugh.) of church rates. Very little, therefore-
, was to be gamed by
e•e s h Mr. FREWEN said that as only 11 hon. membere were au • ,
. aiathera ,.te!9th of the factothlSe
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... p
;Lie Ws. I
te Amu Mure-He was not a ver nice m t 'aiid to, month •••• el
commission of his offence. There was also the case of Col. plary devotion and courage-(hear, hear)-but I think the Tbe motion was then withdrawn. the members of the Church of England succeedine iu re- named, and as 15 might be appointed, it would be open to
to. 1,, y an to speak ' ::ithisitch(e ...... .. ... ~ !mach he
Quintin, who was convicted of an offence, but whosejuages noble lord must have felt that in a free country like the CHURCH RATES sisting this bill. The hon. gentleman opposite (Mr. Drum- the hon. member for Ayr to propose other names. (Much laughter.) • tee India) I
; Malta ~ ...... , :, 8, IS, &28 or inon.'Dove
1 r a •• -•'
I
refused to pass sentence on him because he had been re- one in which we have the happiness to live-where every Sir W. CLAY Laid that he . mom!) who was always ready to cast imputations upon the 2,Ir.PACKE thouglit the names had been fairly selected. Mr. Layard-Why not ?
! manatees (see India) 1
.411011 I
proved for his offence in the field by hie commanding man has the power of appealing to public opinion, I think • • rose pursuant to the.notiee '
motives of those who differed from him had said that
do,f
tahned
He felt surprised at the_ opposition offered by the hon. Captain More-Because he was very irritable in tern- Mauritius •• ........h114:11 of the month
gontliandl""
officer. It was, therefore, an established law and usage the noble lord must feel that the appeal which he has made which he had given to move for leave to introdue a bill for nine-tenths of the supporters of this bill al.' ed at the de member for Ayr. per. (A laugh.) Mexico ....
____
......i
that no man whose offence had been once overlooked could to the solemn opinion of his countrymen has not been the abolition of church rates, and in doing so it would not struction of the Church. (Hear h IlmM E. Ball-
,. ear.) e(r. . • 1 Mr. GARDNER was not oPPoted to the appointment of By Lord Seymour-The Turkish coal wag • f nor fo
in e r Naplei , _ ........N sthlfith2sthofmor.• li_o_v+T-,'anyto.L.,_,..artai
be subjected to a court-martial. Again, suppose a court- ina!le without satisfaction S' h t •y b be necessar for him to tss for co th fw01• I th t such was thei • t ' a committee but he thought that the hon. members the purposes of steam. 0 h '' • New ,franada - .... N, 2.1& 17th of niontl.,,Var";o`",p,fft ii,P.'
martial to be granted, there was no prosecutor. Lord feelings with respect to tire n
lorblowloradevaenrd tv"ha'atevearowuer
merits on thy() attention of
retesep
h ahouse. n‘Mreabeliaenyead ethatmhe (atetnalcaliced tao the Church as rwi nasett o -0.
1111 He
‘tvleas :113nahlantesreal" named were Clecidedly of one view. He hoped the nomi-
-1 klaTvhae nCearcrittwaiintnePss"w•ealsl Cl'anostaainnis Stewart,
esoecond inert to Bala- , sew ess siami ...a.... ins private skip • I,
Raglan, who was the appropriate person, could not act as ma.y sympathise with his gallant behaviour uuder the diffi• coul,l not better consult the convenience of the house than If the hon. gentleman was affectionantelrnattaed to the nation would be postponeil. .
0 arrangements prevailed. Inman
ecninsma ~ _..... a hte•itheethosinort.htehhhhipto .I.6o.ortat
Sir G. GREY thought it fair, that as the names wer
Prosecutor-ihear)-not from any incapacity in himself, cult circumstances under which he was placed, we inust by avoiding all grounds which were likely toprovoke oppe. Church, whY did he not propose to set her free from the
but because the offence had been obliterated and blotted with regard to our vote look at the nature of the motion I
, sition. He should confine himself to a statement, in the Whim which the letYing of church rates and other mat- objected to, some day should be appointed fur selecting the
i?.)rt seta! ~.. e , ...re By private sh.no.i.h,pohet..... -
Fleece 2 500 tam H st. t 1 h
committee. It would be more satisfactory if the nominee . , o '- . eaeca at he tools out the 4th hany . ... W.__ hdettiteate
t.l",)iiriliosi:llisiver '''i,;;lallirll I
out, Lord Lucan having remained in his employment sub. do not wish to take a pedantic view of the nature or • fewest and simplest words, of the character and ob. f tors brought upon her
pooer jects o , whereby the affection •f• multitudes
regiment to Malta, where he landed them, and received leatt't,v, a••••• -• a Nl.stlllsth2Alt, , 1
~...e
eequent to its being committed. But, again, there was no- of the royal prerogative As it at p-es,,+ eeisfx qis ex- the bill which ha W 21.1. about to ask leave to lay on the table of the people of this eeuntry was ademeted from her ? tien was postrTned,
ontiesout a P 1
body to prefer charges. In former times, the Judge Ad- trecaely beneficial to her. Majesty's subjecth I - '
am not one of the home. The main element of the nieasure was the abo- Die seri tars were not
, , unwilling to contribute voluntarily to . i
Mr. PACKL saw no very serious oppositio
. • • nto the ap- the rifle brigade on board, and conveyed them ' -`ezh" •• "• '• "Mi2d '''
.7th
°lla
n .
Van Ifi..talen's Li ~ (.e t j rli 1
"cote-General used to Prosecute, but it was now nearly of them who would at all letzards uphold the belief that twe lition of church rates, and in that respect it would be simi- the repair of the 'aerie of the church, and it ought to be o GeT •
ponesineut of the committee, and as Easter was at hand 1 t . i 'poll. No arrangements had been made A 1,,,t,a11a) '--
1 arnpf.Pll'AP
he hoped it would be appointed. to-uight. I for their reception there ei • "'' • whoweouta -
thirty years since an alteration was made in the mutiny preroeative of theCrowa is already too large I would rather tar to the bill which he introduced last year on the same the policy of the Church to deal affectionately and not , as they were not ex- 'rett ha•es . . a ea& Mho "-________-__h______-„,
law in that matter. The Judge Advccate-General was no see th'e influence of that r-• • - • • • t'tllhdf lt th t b h Iflit b li • hhl t wArds thorn. The Dissenters were nearly, if
erogative increased than dirm- su mjec . ea e ay t • resu tot a a o tion ars y, o . Sir J. SHELLEY said it was quite clear that the names i pected, and a day or two elapsed before •'• ----------___. . was re
rie snails
_e
..s
vie
rrovisirn.
_... Y r ,
selected would not be satisfactore , and as the holidays
longer the prosecutor. It wail his duty to advise the Crown nigher!, but at the same tin Pie I cannot for a m ment ad 't
, certain provisions might become necessary and expedient, not eltogether, the Majority of the people of this country. i could be made. He afterwards fetched eome G •i• weer. any et ta e !at s tall 0' 8 +dhllceptidll Of the loh‘lr'd tb,
as to the legality of the proceedings; and though he might that there may not be eircuutstances in which, as
far as The and he had looked to the state of the law for the purpose of They Were trainieg 3,000,000 of 'children the reater part were here he hoped the committee would be postponed. I Guards from Malta and took them to • remit ler
switche 1 th ,es
' ed
on e with the t.,
w... 0
despat
,ollowinkt at.
nt. which ill r)
be in t
After a few words from Sir H. HALFORD anti Mr. DUN. • Scutari, where a `. i ' i,eth
.8-rocted to Prefer charges, he could not advise the influence of the prerogative of the crown is cone,: id this reme, lying any difficulties which might be found to arise of whom wer° taught, not by the catechism,gbut by the similar delay arose. He afterwards cony 1 Soataampten), and the Marta. '
Cro
CAN, a division was called for, but none took place, the e.yet the regi- ; preceding da,.
........_...................................••••""
apath
wn to order a proceeding to the lozality of which there house may not feel it its duty to iuterfere. Ita isinthe' first from the stholition itself. Whilst he called on Parliament to NOW Testamont• Those children were the rising genera-
merit to -Vans '
a.. The Golden Fleece was ch e
ezisteh obje •
motion being agreed to.
aittred by
7113 ZOOLO ..
_.
ctions. Again, when an officer against whom duty of this house to redress the grievance of the people abolish church rates, he was hound to remove all obstacles tion of the country, and it ought to be the policy of tho
-
an often,. met .11, , e ~ ~ ,
Viscount DUN ` btaened leave to brine i '
CAN h i . 0u a bill to ,
the Goverinue •
-nt, ou her gross registered t i! et _ now e , • w excite
-- - - etiegeto (rut wince offence had been obli- -aad I suppose we are not arrived at that state of affairs WhiCh might stand in the way of membersof the Established Church of England not to insult, but to treat them affec- ormat,e, at the ! ESCAPE or THE WILD tcoAl,
Considerame
.0 the
twitted, when su h ffi
shorten the time of Prirliamentary elections in Scotland. rote of 50s. per ton per month. Ho was afterwards GARDENS, P n BLIN
HCENIX-PARK, -U • ,_triars I
tbat
lege he had obt •
c an o cer consented to waive the privi- when a nobleman may not enjoy the privilege of beine Church in making their free-will offerings for the sustenta- tionately whop the
y came to the age of maturity.
BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE.
et the Peuhhh knosvu
transferred to the Mauritius, a screry steamer of 1,800 merit was •
, anted by subsequent employment, or bein accounted. ono of the people-and one of the first and tion of the fabrics of the churches, and for the decent sni. Mr. MUN Z tali there was not a siugle large town in
occasioned among The
engaged io action and to submit t t• 1 I g try in whi • Mr. FRE WEN moved that on Thursday, the 19th day tone and conveyed in her some troo 3 t s beeemrre'dens.
tence pronounced 4 oa.na , 1 the len- greatest grievances which uny man can suffer is a denial nistration oh Divine service. The bill would contain a pro- the.couu . eh church rates were levied. The town
p u the Crimea, parte on Sunday evening, up.in it
~__ gar
ere f
of Aheil next, end every alternate Thursda till the end of whe' • short
legally plead the previonun nalvaiefabl.
eto him he might then of j rietice. If it is our opinion that there has been a denial vision for the maintenance of church rates, where, under which he h•,(1 the honour of representing had not paid a Y
May, orders of the day shall take precedence of notices Am tt
re he arrived soon after the battle of the Alma. time wild boar had escaped from th'u ad in 5
nit, a Hired to
onge . other places he went to
that plea would coma in sb iferation of his offence, and of justice to any subject, whether he be a patrician or a existing stathtes, those rates had been charged for the pur- cherch rath
to for the last 20 years, and the principle of oppo-
f motions, without givine priority to Gc, t 1 liamiesh, where the ! keepers were immediately in rill . ..„, non 1
vernitnen on ers
tepee of the tribunal by waifil the execution of the sten- ploughboy, I maintain that it is the duty of the house to Poses which he had mentioned. The first provision would sition to e Pars:mut of church rates was spreading in the
soled that ou Thursday, the' 26th of A ril ; arrangements for landing were all that could be wished, ! time came up with him, and fertuuatele •-,
p , anc every alter-
Such had been the case of Lord G) cousented to. be tried. receiye it, and if they believe the apdeal to be just to sup- ineet the coedition of affairs which
.would exist after the villages around that town. He subshribed to the Church as
t Thursday till the month of different wharves having been provided for landine I secure him.
June, the Government
• Gem:lain a must who ort it • • abolitron of church rases b ovid et e relation much as he would hav th of church na e
m p . With these views however I cannot believe the pre- . . s,y Pr ine for he n w e had to Fay in e shape
goods.
sentence of death was pronounced, but whoa gl
orders of the day shall take precedence of other orders of . a...-.
fois acquit Was sufficient to nullify that se tee pea of,autre- seat case isone in which we ought to sanction any interfer- in isshich churchwardens would be placed, and for the re- rates, but that was no reason why other people who were
h the day, and both shall h d By Mr. Layard-The state of things at Balaklava ---------
ave prece ence of notices of ino- l
fore in the preeent matter this raiht . d nee. There- once with the prerogative of the Crown. Isympathise, and I Dissenters sh
lation of persons coming forward with voluntary contribu. . , , ould be called upon to support the Chnrc..
tion • and that durine 1 harbour wee ver different The 1
B/RT.9B.
1 arY tribune' could not hit' . t'•t f th t th• •th trona for the support of th fb • d ministr tion of tier- It WAS abSUrd to say that the owners of the land of this ' • b the mouth of June, and till the end . y • ancoorage there was
be granted even as a favour. There were al • tseso a grea major]. y o e coun ry sympa ise, wi e a ric an a
i • eters
e of the session, orders of the day shall have precedence of very deep and dangerous. He on one occasion repre- oh A 9°5%
_street, Wore:nip
tions of expediency that suggested themselso other ques- the peculiar position of Lord Lucan. We know that in a vice. A provision would also be made for those cases in country had bought their land subject to the burthen or
notices of motion o Th d
uth ays, and Government orders sented this te Captain Christie.
d nut take place in En 1 ves against it. position of great difficulty the noble lord has shown ereat which churchwardens might be reluctant to undertake church retch He was surprised that the members of the
Oa the 29th inst at 13, Victoria
The inquiry con]
f 1 1 hll h a •
otlet ay s a ave priority over other orders.
g and, far the pre- gallantry, and I believe a th f. • ~...... _ . . . Church of England were not ashamed to ask Dissenters to Mr. Imeard- Whilst you were at Balaklava did th 'f• •'
L f •eY Esq.
der of th f
e orces could ,as I have heard from those who on ese unctions, anti for tho application of voluntary rates.
you •emeeof G. B. Austen e "
sence of the COMMali . not be die- th.
that Chu to The motion was aereed to
a eof
d witnesses could not 'be called h is question ought to influence my opinion, that the noble By another provision power would be given to the pa- supphrt h . rch-they might as well ask Disseeters see the Prince ?
TEIt.
pensed with at it ; au
The other ()mines; n Us*
OP A rauGE the w•-- •
sly to attena it. N otne lo.rd has shown great energy and high qualities which entitle fishes, if they were disposed, to allot certain portions of pay ior their washing and lodging. (Hoar, nerd laughter.) o e paper was then disposed of, Capt Stewart-Yes ; I Few her arrive. lford, Exeter,
from the seat of war expres
and the h I•
ouse a. journed.
On the 28th inst., at Mount Rat
for people
eoun•
ncootutde hiruto public gratitude. I must also remember what Lord the area of the church to pews and to fix a rent to b„p. There yras no principle whatever in tho matter. The only
,
Mr. Layard -There is a story current which h b ' • g's Hussarci____________-•••
the trial take place in the Crimea,
rinciple, if there was t what you can. Gboel
dtt'enr
IP'ea:
7-7
-.!
' • - .•
-- ! .....li; ''i,tlhl,,''',th,72;tit(h.,,.,°;°.l: :. Eivearosiihemares .pom.e t.ro.ts:sl .P -
d
as een Captain If. Leo, 15th Kin
their conduct while their more Id.. r
.st as done as a landlord in Ireland in a time of great Plied to the legal purposes to wnich the church rates might p. . any, was this-ge
~ t.e...,h,___,.......,...................... contradicted-that the Prince lost two a h
called upon to vindicate
r called for their wh 1 ' 'litho when the affairs of that country werepiaced un. at present he applied ; a certain portion of the area The law was Inefficient with regard to church rates, and it
you know anything about it ? nc ors. Do ___ _____ ---
active duties connected with the wa
1.
jail_
a.
~ e
._ o e der tlee cousideration of the house. Sir, although-the Jud C.
g would be set apart for the poor. In framing these pro- was discreditable to keep on the statute-I:mole il, law that' Yen A MIT BEFORE SEBAsToroL cam_ Capt. Stewart-Yes ; I know MARRIED.
Rev' x
attention. Had he been Lord Lucan's r 1 t to.,terne, Advocciee tells us thatthis is a personal affair between Le;rd visions, he had been actuated bY a desire to alter the could not put in force. He believed that the Chnrch was
the statement to be
ton the lula
nd a court-rnartial en Raglen and L
MITTE E. true. I saw them eso.
Nicholas, Brigh o , wser
th
he should have advised him to deans
itnesses chntietie . ord Lucanj cannot help entertaining the existiug lew as little ae possible. He did not propose to quite COMpetent to support itself-(hear)--and if C.hurch-
On the 2Sth inst., at St.
lof tne a_
.11 fresh and tho w
Exemination conti
the spot, while the event was sti
i L man had been Itegwe andthat, if the affair had been really left to Lord impair the priveleges of the church of the parishioners. Men wore canvassed indiaidually upon this question, he __oh__ • • nued--The Prince had been sold to 11. Watson, M.N., of Porn. Col. Cam., ant .
eh, gr u a
Any gar,
still alive. Let no man suppose that Lon
1 f October. "'hails tits! Lora Lacan, there is nothing whatever in it The bill, he trusted, might be introduced as meeting the believed they wools! confess that they were ashamed of the The Committee re-asser bl '
ned yesteraay morning at Government when she Wa3 lost. for the Deaf and Dumb, Old Kent-road, to
0. ii,
recalled on account of his conduct on the 250/1 0 . .
of. ,r,,,0
eecountry or wah
e bailout would have been aware objection of many who agreed with the necessity for s church rate lew. But, like the rest of mauldnd, they ap- Mr. Layard-Did yo k ' les Becket, Esq., 1
u now her commander. Was daughter of the late Char
thoueht it an ad • narnonts which •
the usual hour
tr genii,
Soule people had that opinion, and they
l'' • 'ne the of L !lel Lucan b L nave been made on the conduct chaage, and that there could be no change but an entire proves' collectively of what they were ashaaned of indi- • he an experienced man ? borough-place, Brighton.
Lambeth, lur' liter 0
ditional injustice to refuse inquiry after deprin 0 .
Lucan to Lerdle.
1:74 Raglan, and the rejoinder of Lord abolition. The provisions of the bill would render the viaually. The first witness called %V&A Dr. F • t 1
orres ~ NV 10 woe Capt. Steivart-He wee not an experienced coin- , . -
o'm the aBth inst., at St. Mary's, , , hog
e third it-
noble earl of hie command. Lord Raglan took a very con
~
e rds the Missfsteni: als(1 all that subeequently occurred matter expedient and practicable. If the hot", would ,c, eir. itACKE was surprised. that the noble lord at the examined by the chairma,n. mender, but he was always conside aperkman, late of Dublin, to Carotin ,
d as rho
-red an excellerit r ,• • both.
siderate view of the case, and never desired to have Ler I ,
~ ,
i any publick a War are not of a charecter which far ittiluloo him as to allow him to introduce the bill and head oh the Gevernment had not risou to etato what course
officer. Mr. IA in. I at, of Lam
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reties,: et Dowled,, . 1 . .
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t. i .
he bill le evlt talc* ;ct not dieclose any facts which have E . • •
Lusan recallel, but it was the opinion of the authorities at ,
....
It 'seeing tu the that air° of tle cerettinstancee nec, s. read it a first tense, ho would take care that full notice tre havernmen in ended to take with reference to t
xamination continued-The ! f B • • -------
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house that it was unwise to allow assy difference to exist sees •
1
I.e 11'CA (J .1
el f r ord Lue,,,. _
e,ehis has beers oceasioned by sh°,ll Ibe L;tven to Inonthers, so that they should have of the hon. lyironet. If Lord J. Russell luta been in the not been elicited over and ever aeain in copneetion with completely iron belied
that he had been Steil' Se ! There w -
mgeen to the 3tl Divieion in the ! - as, no want of coatt o alaklava, Is
nIgP
m n Pertugal-etreet. Linea, of
't , • • • .Ho shi ed a nut b - ed 56,
among such officers, and they, therefore, recellai Lord t i . ,
.•
tt wth, hihittit. 11 le e
wthtttth- resPensibility of the emelt, time t 0 consi,lcr it, said would fix its second reml- house, lie would 11,.•3 been the first to rise th °mew° s .
pp 11 er of a ounded
tue Scutari hotpitals and the Oiliness,. It was to the effect l after the !settle f 1 I '
William Lewis; Farnell. og much
Lucan without any compleiut of hires having been made. The el •"! "e' '-'1:, „,-, r ? lie heie a meamber%rror t"
positem ef the isig te tliet II ey saould huve full opportunity to look iuto (Hoer.) Ho thould certainly give the ruction Isle Un- o seserrnan, whom he landed at Scutari. On afarch 28, Mr. helm,
question, then, reAlly oalllo t• 3 be, wbetaer or not fronl I ale,isterL,- t w i
t trstrese and ,litliculty___, th,hloyernateniwitieli i I* ;I .11
_t,:i ~.e...a-..5. __o would open no disentsioa now, reserving quelitnel oppositioa• •
preper supplies to the invalids, as the (2:heti° eavel ' - ' • 'f • i nter-
ltaglen had exerciseet his discretion wisely in commenting. i was at th ht ',
I I•• i • iw 13 eXeiteal%lnnSttill'"'n 4 great it Is r the serene! 1 ceding. (Hear, hear.) Crimes. but re'. (b' d t.l tI '
Col,,ntil SIBTHORP should oppose the bill- of the hon. a , - -en Tussle_ __la. i.n.y on accouot of il.
.- e ! they were provi 1•d b numeiet s clic oom • lenes. oxfort.
(. e y the ship's cempany. Only 11 or regrettoti by a
• 'l,.it o, ptio.tt. 0.0 au . • ,
,19 ied , .
a t John Mertiu Esq , 20,
On the 29th Lia ..
'Up in the conduct of Lord Lucen. Well, was the House ef ,is te, •• ~ h
In
DiiDa (iithhugh I
om
bl,llitii*trir at Air. mIA.LL seconded the niotion. baronet. He hal heard with g„„t satisfactism the speech health, and was then appointed deputy inspecter of the 1 1 ' on the passage. The orderlies behaved them-
unt•place,
Commons to be cousalered as a fit julge of the manner in ' 1.
1 aar apparent*
1 ':t • iy) ill a if.:n iod of greut3.-aim:lli'b" ring Mr. WIGRAM said that, as far as lie could understand, of the hon. gentleman the meinber for East Surrey (gr. hospitals at Scutari, where he su erseded Dr. Menziew 1 Bre IV '
i-4 ver • • ,„ ei F.e,, aged 6:).
e bedly, and neglected the invalids. The Eng- r'-' -Ilee •271,11 inst , Mr. Joh Search, of 19,1°
which Lent is,,,g!an eXCI-Ciit.,l hie diseretion in the field ? I tied a a misconcei
a'
1 ' thouelit that the reca-11 ..y, when the new ',ravishers of the bill remained exactly the same Drummond- haughter)-and for himself he should not by , t p '
181 tystern of landing the sick was far inferior to th out 1 _ ~e. • .•.1
ScOtt,
(Hear.) The view of the noble lord (Lord Elcho) wat tliet l a virtan was neeessary, _ e
ohicar, woulh hi,
thieemd Lord as these of last year. (Hear, hear.) In substance it was shrink from hie duty in supporting the Mother and Este- s a heneral order. lie was only there for ten days. French. Th • e Walwort,b, agul Of .
e coaling, arrangements at Constanti- On are 20th inst., at Clifton, near Bath' Horace
the commander of the forces should not be trusted with I Luella or of sonic gonerel .
n—hiel, h .) • ntl that w igr.e° etteply a bill to entirely abolish church rates. In ad- blished Church, Tho hen. barouot had brought this mea- Ile accompanied the b:oops to the Crimea. After the 1 n'ePle were vere d h t-
sir, eat -a . int tam) tittion to that however there were rovisio h• h ens f •It 7 t '. df th vsning when the h ! aroner
w , „ . e eec ive, and caused consider- Ewe, late of Ceylon Civil Senrace: iste of vhr
any discretionary power of cemaienting upon the conduct app ass public opiuio.
he blic appetite. ue hhe,
b 1 e • 1 i o ' •
, P lIS wic sure orwaw a aa 0 pen, e 00 ,
~ mite att eo. the Aena tue medicai stores were quite sum- i lune d 1
easy ; but since then fort or fif ' ton Esq.,
ty tons Oa the 2htli inst., Robert, tte ,
• h h hich had seiz_d on tt pu :Weed thos * •
o who thought fit to pay voluntarily in support of had no power of evil], it duo consideration and due dis- . Y
of subordinates, and of praising or censuring them. The i cssii i e w
r irciimat
id be t. 1,- :
• htou,
cient. The hospital tents were, however, very defective; ce.n , w -a-en .n per day. He represented this to Ad- Norton-street, Fitzroy-square, oged 74* we; Brig
ke- advantaeo o. c . Deices the Church He th• k 1 th lion b t f th• • Hh I b '''
t 1 t d b lup he was deter-
an ec a • arone or is- cussion. oas een aug lan re( ,
hon. member for Brietol says that Lord Raglan ought to upon Lord Lucan ; t'" .and as such aro of ___lia..,,, .
dt mum B,,xer On the 27th inst., at 51, Buckingharath
have broken Lord Lucan at once. The house was asked to which were in his official Possesslchlo 3 • • •1,1 A d ' heeter)-as if theY could not do that without the con- mined to die, in the straightforward course, right or and accordingly the patients within them were expose 0
is ita n sent of • . •
11Ir L• *
i t aeed 44. • btOno
ils Lord Lucant-3 distingu Parliament as they thought fit With respect to the wr • f ••• e his ' 'on (Laughter.) Ho o- tl I• I . ayard-What did he sa 2 Wio. Drunariona, 'Esq., art-8 o 0 erritee, Brlg
ong, 0 expiessine opini . _ , p re vveat lei. de made a representation to this effect to
vote an address to the Queen, to remind her that she had official secrecy, rem.
ll th's discuSsion and provition for the • - h . '
Capt. Stew rt- ' y ' Ou the 27th inst., at 4, Brenswickaten,
Hants.
I believe he promised to send soMe
already neglected her duty in not instituting an inquiry , meritorious officer-and has led to si i ,
_am,
Well
ju letting of pews, that might all be very posed the motion, for it was an attempt to undermine the head quarters, but he ascertained that no others could ; men t• a • Henry Parker Collett, Esq., of h`atelY.
into the conduct of Lord Lucan. (Marks of dieapproba- I debate. Notwithstanding all this,
• I cannot question i
pcseti large towns ; but, in country parishes, it was im- Church, as well as an endeavour to subvert the Govern-
hie 1 . • o assist me in coaling.
ti • ,•
e exercise of the royal
mi.) 'lle Meant that they' complained of the manner in will not fur a moment question-th ,
nt in th ta
• n smell parishes the people were so poor that meta He would take no dirty underhand means of sab-
ers) would be • • • •
be obtained. He was onhy at Scutari about 10 days. Mr. Layard-Hatl you an interview with Admiral • _______ _ •.________
YOU"'
which the Queeu had b dvis dto act in tho tt • -t' ,e. 3 • this case ; but I think there is one poi .
ma er. , proroga le in 1 t Subsoription greet difficulty in procuring, by voluntary verting aay Government, and ho regretted that a measrtre The barrack hospital was much over crowde,l, but he did Boxer ? ,
1 by MURDO 11.2,
He comaidered, h aen
a a • fth d• • ! h t" h• hth House of Commons has a riga
..,
s.oue , sufficient to support the Church. On former of this importance should have been brought forward in
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owever, that the question o e iscretion t o ques ion on wic e
a I have OL, I
, ,it was demonstrated that no point of law or such a manner Where was the country at, the present not feel an f-• • '1 • all
y o rensive entries in the w. .s. There Cepa Stewart-I s 1•• b-I h d
aw elm once ; 11, a no un-
-1 Pri or at The hu v •
' *7 '
of thecornmander of the forces was raised; and if they had to complain. It is on that account alone th t
pleataritnese with aim whatever. He was rather abrupt of No. 112, Strata ~ , at, :..,_
ch,..th.h. in to onsa.
rinciple sanctioned the abolition of the rates. Those who • ' • 9, • wrt 1 t f d'e'n d ed* 1 ifo t tth
moment, and whore it had been on former occasions. Wins etpenyome i i es an in ica con rs a at , ,
a rielha to cornplein fld
• o is not havingcensured the conduct of rieen. f can readily believe that this gallant officer, whose P ,
a n had purchased the land were as much liable to it as to any great country was on the verse. he honed not of ruin. hot the. -al. Le_ ____ .• . .in illst TTlnTklgcss. yr . . .
Lord Luca% they might equally complain that he had not ' conduct has been now so impugned, labours, un er a

CHURCH RATES.
Sir W. CLAY said that he rose pursuant to the.notiee
which ho had given to move for leave to introdue a bill for
the abolition of church rates, and in doing so it would not
be necessary for him to tresspass for mere than a few mo-
ments on the attention of the house. He believed that he
coal not better consult the convenience of the house than
by avoiding all grounds which were likely to provoke oppo-
sition. He should confine himself to a statement, in the
fewest and simplest words, of the character and objects of
the bill which he was about to ask leave to lay on the table
of the house. The main element of the measure was the abo-
lition of church rates, and in that respect it would besimi-
lar to the bill which he introduced last year on the same
subject. Ile had felt that by the result of that abolition
certain provisions might become necessary and expedient,
and he had looked to the state of the law for the purpose of
relue lying any difficulties which might be found to arise
from the abolition itself. Whilst he called on Parliament to
abolish church rates, he was bound to remove all obstacles
which might stand in the way of membersof the Established.
Church in making their free-will offerings for the sustenta-
lion of the fabrics of the churches, and for the decent mi-
nistration of Divine service. The bill would contain a pro-
vision for the maintenance of church rates, where, under
existing statutes, those rates had been charged for the pur-
poses which he had mentioned. The first provision would
meet the condition of affairs which would exist after the
abolition of church rates, by providing for the new relation
in which churchwardens would be placed, and for the re-
' lation of persons coming forward with voluntary contribu-
tions for the support of the fabric and ministration of ser-
vice. A provision would also he made for those cases in
which churchwardens might be reluctant to undertake
these functions, and for the application of voluntary rates.
By another provision power would be given to the pa-
rishes., if they were disposed, to allot certain portions of
the area of the church to pews, and to fix a rent to be ap-
plied to the legal purposes to wnich the church rates might
at present he applied ; a certain portion of the area
would be sot apart for the poor. In framing these pro-
visions, ho had been actuated by a desire to alter the
existing law as little as possible. He did not propose to
impair the priveleges of the church of the parishioners.
The bill, ho trusted, might be introduced as meeting the
objection of many who agreed with the necessity for a
chaego, and that there could be no change but an entire
abolition. The provisions of the bill would reader the
matter expedient and practicable. If the lionse would so
far indulge him as to allow him to introduce the bill and
read it a first time, ho would take care that full notice
should be given to members, so that they should have
su;ile tone to consider it, tieri would fix its second read-
i et; se that 11 ey should have full opportunity to look into
details. lie would open no dis..:uisieu now, reserving
it I, r the soceiel leadiug. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. m (ALL seconded the motion.
WIGRAM said that, as far as he could understand,
the new provisions of the bill remained exactly the same
ae these of last year. (Hear, hear.) In substance it was
einiply a bill to entirely abolish church rates. In ad-
dition to that, however, there were provisions which en-
abled those who thought fit to pay voluntarily in support of
the Church. He thanked the bon. baronet for this-
-(laughter)--as if they could not do that without the con-
Bolt of 'Parliament as they thought fit. With respect to the
provision itdon for the letting of pews, that might all be very
ti
large towns • but, in country parishes, it was im-
practicable. In such parishes the people were so poor that
there would be great difficulty in procuring, by voluntary
subs,:ription, sufficient to support the Church. On former
occasions, it was demonstrated that no point of law or
principle sanctioned the abolition of the rates. Those who
had purchased the land were as much liable to it as to any

The Committee re-assembled yesterday morning at
the usual hour.
The first witness called was Dr. Forrest, who was
examined by the chairman.
his evidence did not disclose any facts which have
not been elicited over and ever again in connection with
the Scutari hospitals and the C: imea. It was to the effect
that he had been Staff Surgeon to the 3d Division In the
Crimea, but relinquished that duty on account of
ill-
health, and was then appointed deputy inspector of the
hospitals at Scutari, where he superseded Dr. Menzies,
by a general order. Tie was- only there for ten days.
He accompanied the troops to the Crimea. After the
battle of the Alma the medical stores were quite suffi-
cient.- The hospital tents were, however, very defective;
and accordingly the patients within them were expose dto
the weather. .fie made a representation to this effect to
head quarters, but he ascertained that no others could
be obtained. He was only at Scutari about 10 days.
The barrack.hospital was much over crowded, but be did
not feel any offensive smells in the walls. There
were plenty of medicines and medical comforts at that
time, with the exception, however, of opium. He did

sure forward at a late period of the evening, when the house
had no power of giving it duo consideration and due dis-
cussion. He had been taught and bred up, he was deter-
mined to die, in the straightforward course, right or
wrong, of expressing his opinion. (Laughter.) He op-
posed the motion, for it was an attempt to undermine the
Church, as well as an endeavour to subvert the Govern-
ment. He would take no dirty underhand means of sub-
verting any Government, and ho regretted that a measure
of this importance should have been brought forward in
such a manner. Where was the country at, the present
moment, and whore it had been on former occasions? This
great country was on the verge, he hoped hot of ruin, but

Capt. Stewart—l saw him once ; but I had no un-
pleasantness with him whatever. He was rather abrupt
in his manner. (Laughter.)
Capt. Freeman.—Of the Pyrenees, 832 tons burden.

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