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closing of the chambers had been carried out as Dr.
Reid suggested, but the matter of ventilation, as pro-
pounded by Dr. Reid, was of such a complicated charac-
ter, that he doubted whether it could be accomplished.
—(Hear, hear.) The question, however, for the House
to consider was, what should be done for the future.—
(Hear, hear) If they placed the library as well as the
House under the control of Dr. Reid, it would in-
volve the sacrifice of the machinery already
in operation under Mr. Barry, and a very large
expenditure of public money.—(Hear, hear.) For ven-
tilating this building Mr. Barry and Dr. Reid had to-
gether expended 200,0001; and it was now for the House
to decide whether they should still proceed in the same
extravagant course.—(Hear, hear.) He hoped before
the House sanctioned these resolutions they would call
in some independent person to determine what ought to
be done ; and with that recommendation he would sit
down.—(Hear.)
Mr. DRUMMOND contended that all the chambers
attached ought to be placed under the same management
as the House itself.—(Hear, hear.) This question was
not so difficult as Dr. Reid and Mr, Barry wished to
make it, but he believed architects knew nothing what-
ever of ventilation, and therefore recommended that the
ventilation should be placed in the hands of some scien-
tific man who thoroughly understood the business.
Mr. BOOKER suggested that Sir Henry De la Beche
of the British Museum should be called in to decide
what ought to be done.
Sir DENHAM NORRES reminded the House that
Sir Henry Do la Beche was a geologist, and not a
medical man, who had studied ventilation, and also
recalled to their recollection that Dr. Reid
promised to give them good ventilation in the old House.
and he kept his word. Why not, then, call upon him to
make a similar promise in respect to this building, and
give him ample means and full authority to carry it out?
Mr. FITZROY had already recommended the House
to appoint a Committee to investigate this matter, and
if his recommendation had been adopted they would
have been nearer a remedy for the evils under which
they suffered than they were at present.—(Hear, hear.)
He was now, however, disposed to advise the House to
leave the whole subject in the hands of the Noble Lord
at the head of the Woods and Forests, and he moved an
amendment to that effect accordingly.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir R. H. INGLIS seconded this proposal. He did
not think the House was a fair or proper tribunal for
settling this question, but nevertheless the sooner they
got rid of the present windows the better. It was better
to have a good artificial light in the middle of the day
than a bad natural, or rather an unnatural light, and he
trusted this part of the subject would not be lost sight of.
The expenditure which had been eisclosed to them
to-day was monstrous, and he therefore though=
the best course the House could pursue was to leave the
whole matter in the hands of the Noble Lord opposite,
who would be responsible to the House for what he did.
Mr. E. B. ROCHE, so far from regretting that the
House had taken this matter into its own hands, he for
one rejoiced that the House had called Dr. Reid to
the bar, for it had led to the disclosure of facts that
would astound the public, he was sure, as much
as it had surprised the House itself.—(Hear, hear.)
The lighting and ventilating of the House ought to be
conducted by the same party, and so long as the two were
kept separate, so long would the House suffer from the
evils which it complained of.—(Bear, hear.) It almost
appeared to him that the best course to pursue was to
dismiss both Dr. Reid and Mr. Barry. They could not
agree, and the consequence was, that while one was
blowing hot, the other was puffing cold air upon the
House.—(Hoar, hear.)
Mr. GREENE felt it due to Dr. Reid and Mr. Barry to
state that much or the expense referred to by the Noble
Lord at the head of the Woods and Forests had been in-
curred at the recommendation of the House itself in
some of its Committees, but at the same time he also
felt it necessary to warn the House against
leaving the adjustment of this question to a person who
could not be held responsible to the House. It was
much better to lean it in the hands of the Noble Lord,
as it had already been proposed, and then the House
would have some guarantee that its convenience anti
comfort would be attended to.—(bear, hear.)
Lord HARRY VANE expressed a hope that the
amendment would be adopted, but with this under-
standing, that the Noble Lord should have full power
to consult or call in to his assistance whomsoever he
plea.ed.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. HUME thought the object of the proposer of the
original motion had been obtained, for the Noble Lord
admitted that the lighting and ventilating of the House
were net only defective, but that they ought not to be
under separate management, and the House, therefore,
mold have no difficulty in adopt ng that part of
the original resolution, which affirmed the same thing.
—(Hear, hear.) Having done that, he could see no ob-
jection to leaving the matter in the hands of the Noble
Lord, wbo would in future be responsible to the House
for the expenditure.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. PACKE thought it was clear that much of the
public money had been wasted through the disunion
which existed between this House and the House of
Lords upon this matter. They ought to have co-operated
together, and then the work would have been well and
economically done.—(Hear, hear.)
Colonel SIBTHORP was at a loss to see what re-
sponsibility would attach to the Noble Lord if the House
left the matter in his hands, for if he was not mistaken
the Government would be shortly kicked out, and
then where would the responsibility of the Noble
Lord be?—(Hear and laughter.) Why, having spent the
public money as he liked, the Noble Lord would snap
his fingers at the House when out of office, and refuse to
give any explanation.—(A. laugh.) He viewed all Com-
missioners and Treasury-bench responsibility gentlemen
with suspicion.—(A laugh.)
After a few words from Mr. COWAN,

Mr. B. OSBORNE said that no one could have lis-
tened to the Noble Lord the First Commissioner with-
out seeing that his mind had been greatly influenced by
Mr. Barry. He wished to guard the House against
this, for what security had it against the dismissal of
Dr. Reid by the Noble Lord, and the substitu-
tion of Mr. Barry's plan of non-ventilation. He had
not framed those resolutions without considerable
thought; and if a sufficient number of Members would
support him, he would stand by them. The Noble Lord
might very likely listen to other ventilators, and then all
the
expense which they had already incurred in pur-
chasing Dr. Reid's plans would be thrown away; and
while be was doing so, the healsh of Hon. Members
would be ruined. Indeed, he could almost fancy already
that he saw some of his respectable friends growing
older every day before his eyes.—(Laughter.)
After a few words of explanation from Lord
SEY M OUR,

The House divided, when there appeared—
For the first resolution ... ... ... 96
Against it... ... ... ... ... 68
Majority
The other resolutions were then agreed to without a
division.

IRISH WORKS.
Colonel DUNNE moved for returns of all works the
execution of which was undertaken by the Board of
Works, on the authority of the Lords Commis-
sioners of the Treasury, under the Act;9 and 10 Vic.. o.
107. and of the certificates given, according to the Bth
section of said Act, to the secretaries of grand juries in
Ireland, of the execution of such works.
Mr. E B. ROCHE, in seconding the motion, hoped
that it would be remarked by those who said
that Ireland wished to repudiate the sums
which had bean advanced to her that Irish
Members bad not lost a moment in asking for a Bill of
particulars. No parties in Ireland had shown the
slightest inclination to repudiate, but they said that the
Government had debited to the account of Ireland about
twice as much as she had received.
Mr. F. FRENCH supported the motion.
Sir LUCIUS O'BRIEN said it was a mistake to call
these works at all, they were merely a clumsy. contriv-
ance to distribute money among a starving people. The
responsibility did not rest, therefore, with the landed
gentry and persons of property in Ireland, but with the
Government.

After a few words from Mr. NAPIER, the return was
agreed to.
Colonel DUNNE then moved for returns of each
work undertaken under the provisions of the Act 9 Vie.,
c. 1, and 9 and 10 Vic., c. 107; also, for works under-
taken under Mr. Labouchere's letter; and of the reasons
for not giving any of the above information when it is
found impracticable to do so.—Agreed to.

PRINTING.
On the motion of Mr. C. LEWIS, the following mo-
tion was agreed to:—" Select Committee to assist Mr.
Speaker in all matters which relate to the printing ex-
ecuted by order of this House, and for the purpose of
selecting and arranging for printing returns and papers
presented in pursuance of motions made by Members of
this House"—Mr. Cornewall Lewis, Sir Robert Harry
Inglis, Mr. Pusey, Mr. Strutt, Sir John Young, Viscount
Mahon, Mr. John Greene, Mr. Cardwell, and Mr. Loch.
Three to be a quorum.

INCOME-TAX.
Mr. HUME moved for the re-appointment of a Com-
mittee to inquire into the present mode of assessing and
collecting the income and property-tax, whether any
other mode of levying the same, so as to render the tax
more equitable, can be adopted, and to nominate the fol-
lowing Members:—The Chancellor of the Exchequer,
Mr. Thomas Baring, Mr. Cobden, Mr. Disraeli, Mr.
Horsman, Mr. Henley, Mr. Vesey, Mr. Mackenzie, Mr.
James Wilson, Mr. Ricardo, Mr. Roebuck, Col. Romilly,
Lord Harry Vane, and Mr. Sotheron.—Agreed to.

THE RECAL OF SIR HARRY SMITH.
The following copy of a dispatch from Earl Grey
to Governor Sir H. G. Smith, Bart., G.C.8., is
printed among the papers on the Kafir war recently
presented to both Houses of Parliament :
" Downing street, Jan. 14, 1852.
" have received and laid before the Queen
your dispatches of the sth and 19th of November, re-
porting the results of the operations of the war since the
date of your dispatches by the previous mail.
"2. I learn from these dispatches that another month
of this distressing warfare has passed away, and though
the force at your disposal had been increased to a very
considerable amount no advantage of any real import-
ance has been gained over the enemy, while the loss of
her Majesty's troops has been exceedingly heavy, that
very distinguished officer, Lieutenant-Colonel Fordyce,
being included among those who have fallen.
"3. I have said that no real advantage has been
gained, because, while you state that positions of ex-
traordinary strength have been stormed, and it is clear
that the most determined courage has bean shown by
her Majesty's troop, these successes (if they can be
called so) have been entirely barren of useful results;
and it appears from the reports of Major-
General Somerset, and particulary from his dispatch
dated the 9th of November, that the ground thus hardly
won could not be retained, and that the position which
was carried at the price of such heavy loss to the 74th
Regiment on the 6th of November, was only held until
the Major-General withdrew the troops in the after-
noon,' when it would seem that there was no obstacle
to its being re-occupied by the enemy, and that in fact it
was so.

....._ _
,4 For several months your dispatches have been of a
similar character. You have described to me opera-
tions which I have constantly been assured had been
attended with success, and had inflicted heavy loss
upon the enemy, while there could be no doubt that
the troops had foug ht with their accustomed gal-
lantry; but at the same time I am quite unable to
while it was obvious that the enemy, far from being dis-
couraged by their any ground had really been gained,
heir supposed defeats, were from month to
month increasing is boldness and determination; and the
inflicted was at least as certain, and bore no
but too clearly proved that the loss
they had
list of casualties
small proportion to that which they were believed to
have sustained.

very ' 5
impossible that I should continue to re-
ceive
ma
. I mails ls s
intelligenceitou tof
f being led to en
this
description
entertain r tbayi la many
serious s e succes-
sive
doubts whether the war had been conducted with the
energy and the judgment which were necessary
to bring it to an early and successful issue; but distress-
ing as was the anxiety which these doubts occasioned, I
have not hitherto allowed them to induce me to deprive
you of that support which I know it is of the utmost
importance to the public service that those in high mili-
tary commands should be able to rely on not having
lightly withdrawn from them by the advisers of the
Crown, when, in situations of difficulty and danger, suc-
cess does not at once attend their exertions.
" 6. But the information I have now received has con-
, verted what was before only a very serious doubt into con-
viction; and it is my painful duty to inform you that,
having consulted my colleagues on the subject, they have
concurred with me iu coming to the conclusion that, upon
a careful review of the events of the war and those which
preceded its breaking out, there is evidence, which it is
impossible longer to resist, that you have failed in show-
, iug that foresight, energy, and judgment which your very
difficult
Good position required, and that therefore we should
not be justified in shrinking from tendering fo the Queen
our humble advice that the Government of the Cape of
Hope and the conduct of the war should be placed
in other hands. It has accordingly been my duty to
submit to her Majesty my advice that Major. General
Cathcart should be appointed to relieve you, of which
her Majesty has been
pleased to approve, and that
()Men. will very shortly proceed to the Cape for that
purpose. _ __

- InF ed hardly assure you that I cannot make this
communication without great pain and sincere reluc-
tance, and that nothing hut a sense of imperative duty
would have led my colleagues and myself to take the
course have felt ourselves compelled to adopt.
" We do full justice to the ardent zeal for her Ma-
jesty's service whioh you have uniformly displayed ; we
have not forgotten how greatly you havie distinguished
yourself on former occasions, and what a high military
reputation you have deservedly obtained; but we have
been compelled to believe that, perhaps from the failure
of your health, and your being no longer able to ex-
ercise as close a personal superintendence as formerly
.over the conduct of affairs, you have failed in giving,
either to your military operations or to your political
measures bearing upon the war, that character of
vigour and judgment which are necessary to in.
spire confidence in the inhabitants and troops
and to command success. I must remind you that the
first error which was committed, and to which I believe
the failure of a policy otherwise sound and the calamity of
the war are mainly attributable, was the premature reduc-
tion of the British force under your command. I must take
upon myself a share of the blame for this mistake, inas-
much as I had probably too often and too strongly pressed
upon you the importance of reducing the number of
troopsdisc discretion
iaosa
wassoon as
unfettered,this c
you d be
weresafely
left done.to decide for Still your
yourself when the troops should be sent home, since thiri
was a point on which a judgment could only be formed
on the spot; and the error, therefore, was your own of
supposing that a large proportion of the force which you
found in the colony could without danger so soon be dis-
pensed with.

- "8. I must also remind you that, up to the eve of the
actual breaking out of hostilities, you continued to send
me the strongest assurances that there existed no real
danger, and that the apprehensions expressed by the
frontier farmers wore unfounded. Even when the war
began you were so little aware of its true cha-
racter that you made no application to me for
additional force ; and neither in your public nor
your private letters did you give me the slightest
intimation that such aid was required; and the re-in-
forcements which were immediately dispatched, as well
as those which have been subsequently sent, have all,
with the exception of the last, anticipated your demands
for them. It is not for me to express any opinion on
the detail of your military operations; but it must
strike even an unprofessional observer that, by the
employment of means which you considered
adequate for the purpose, no serious impres-
sion appears to have been made on the enemy. It fol-
lows that you have either been entirely mistaken in
your judgment' and have consequently led her Majesty's
Government into error as to the character of the war
and the amount of force required, or else that you have
failed in using with effect the force at your disposal.
"9. With regard to
the political measures bearing
upon the results of the war, I must refer you to the
dispatch which I have
been compelled to address to
you by the present mail on the neglect of .the pre-
cautions obviously required in order to obstruct
the supply of ammunication to the enemy. The
fault in this respect must no doubt be in part attri-
buted to the Colonial Secretary, whom you had left
in charge of the Government at Cape Town, but
if you had intimated to me that Mr. Montagu could not
alone adequately discharge the arduous duties which
devolved upon him in your absence, I should not have
failed immediately to have afforded you further assist-
ance, by the appointment of a civil Lieutenant-Go-
vernor, to reside at Cape Town during the war—a step
I propose adopting now the necessity for it has thus
been disclosed to me.
" 10. I must also observe that you have, I believe,
truly represented to me, that if you had had the Kafirs
only to contend with, the war would long since have
been brought to a close; and that what has made them
sach formidable enemies has been the assistance they
have derived from the rebel Hottentots, too
many of whom had been trained as soldiers in
the ranks of the British army. Bat if this is,
as I believe, a correct view of the subject, I must regard
it as a most fatal error that the first instances of treason
among this class of inhabitants of the Cape were not
dealt with more promptly and more severely. I
cannot resist the belief that, had this been done,
the contagion of disaffection would have been
stayed, as the prompt punishment of the real traitors
would have calmed th 4 fears naturally excited among
the white inhabitants by seeing their impunity,
and would thus have prevented the colonists of European
descent from being led to entertain and display that in-
discriminate jealousy of their coloured fellow-subjects,
which has been, as there is too much reason to fear, the
means of driving into dissatisfaction many of the latter,
who were not originally inclined to it.
" 11. Lastly, I must regard it as a grievous error that
you have allowed the administration of the Orange
River territory to remain too long in the hands of an
officer in your own opinion unequal to the task, and
that by this and other mistakes
in your management
of the Dutch inhabitants of the frontier districts,
while,more
waryou tahave failed to conciliate that important
class, by whose cordial co-operation there can be no
a prospect of; doubt that you would have been enabled to bring the
nocf;h
condition of the sovereignty, your difficulties
than there is now
difficulties in Kafra-
rim have been very seriously increased. The:manner in
which, by judicious management, Mr. Pine has suc-
ceeded in Natal in securing the confidence and attach-
meta of the Dutch farmers, as described in your dis-
patch No. 193, clearly proves that, if properly treated,
the
roy may be rendered loyal and useful subjects of the
Cwn.

RETURNS.
On the motiont ovfisiNitlorr,a liteUNthlEe
maerseeteurmn wo f
th as
eagreed to
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of the number
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the
articles
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princi-
pwahMlierh.alli'lduty manufactured'i Eo fceeduu
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amount
collected
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oarltseed,inthtehe
andthe quantity adt iatyy
oo
duty paid on each article, and
the aggreagnadtetho
charged, of January,
each ur t icolfledBisumlp;
yearrate o ending
duty
in the year. —oct_ed an all imported manu-
facturese
imported into this a return of the principal
articles of agricultural produc
amount paid on each article,
the rite of duty, and the
fdut '
coun-
try on which any duty of Customs is imposed; stating
on all agricultural
and the aggregate amount o_
produce, in the year ending the duty
day of January,
1851 (in continuatinn of Parliamentary
paper, No. 146,
of seasion 1850).—Agreed to.
for or under t e
amount of money levied by assessment,
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON moved for accounts of the
name of poor-rates t or borough rates, in
court , po IFoe ,
England and Wales, for each of the years ending Ladyl-
---'- ------- • RLIA 31-
day. 1842, 1847, and 1851 respectively; and in Irelan', IMPERIAL PA .
0 I r'.-.i.;::.,, , ,:,R.vs, Feb. 10.
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curing 4.4 eh of the fttne yi,ars pirding the 29th uay ' Lord CAL.WBELL Pre", ...,, morwv,
Sei.telml•.wr; of the annual v.aur, of property KSSessed ,g,tir,,t the
pl.yrnit
~f illAliute!,:rey. .
ti,,,, poot-1.,..tes in EngLiid sad Wales, and ill IfebillU ,
BAN-"Ut
the Secretary of
during each of the same years,—,Agrced W. On the motion of Lord. CAMPBELL,
The gouse then adjourned. Bankrupts'-office Abolition
n Dill was read a second time.
iiti-..c1 3 p • . ,

" 12. It has been with much reluctance that I have
your
eoausro
judgment
entered into this review of the errors which you seem to
me to have committed, but I have thought it due to
. our position and to your high reputation to show that
her Majesty's servants have not determined to advise
the Queen to supersede you in the midst of the war
without sufficient cause for doing so; and for this
dpgaminefnutloanslyit has been to me to write to you
in such a tone of censure, I have been compelled
to point out the errors into which you have
been betrayed. It is, however, some satisfaction to me
Ifiryoulues, operations had
to be able to add, that I have no doubt it has been
to the best
to acquit yourself of duties of no ordinary LE
of your
d regular
ability, which has beenyou
havei in fe ult ,
endeavoured
that,i .
diffi-
culty; ; nor do I doubt that in more
ill.
wartare against a civilised enemy, and if
you would have as distinguished.
by Which you had formerly been so much
" I am, &0.,
(Signed) ".GREY.
beenlesshcieovmersdliethideedsabmyY: political
cmc s
" Lieutenant- General Sir H. G. Smith, Bart."

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