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London, England, 1852-06-25 00:00:00

IMPERIAL P.A.RLIAMEN T.

ROUSE OF LORDS, June 24.
Their Lordships assembled at Five o'clock, the LORD
CEANCELLon presiding.
The Etrl of RODEN presented a number of petitions
from different parts of Ireland against the Maynooth
grant, and praying for the inspection of nunneries.
ADULTERATION OF COFFEE.
In answer to a question from Lord TORRINGTON.,
The Earl of DERBY said that it was the intention of
);he Government to rescind the minute of 1840, which
p .rmits the admixture of chicory and other articles with
comae; at the same time, as the simple rescinding of the
minute would leave grocers and others exposed to 'pro-
secution for keeping on their premises articles which
',Alt be used for the adulteration of coffee, instructions
would be given to the Excise not to press for penalties
where these articles were kept in separate packets, and
marked as being what they really were.
After a few words from the Eerl of Mitrro rend Lord
BEDEsDALt, theesubject dropped.
• itEtTNET'S DIVORCE.
• Lord MOUNTCASHELL moved the second reading of
this 8111, the consideration of which, it will.be.remem-
bered, was postponed sine die. The-Noble Lord entered
et coaeiderabletteogtheinto the circumstances of this case,
.aeteee, wererrepottedein•our columns at the time they
were given-settle- bar of their Lordship's House..
The LORD•CELANCELLOR opposed the motion.
Thee Noble Lord had introduced ,matters not upon the
evidence taken at the bar, and he had. been guilty of the
reat irregularity of referring to a speech asserted to be
delivered by him (the Lord Chancellor) at the conclu-
sion of the case. In vindication of the justice o
who
y house, he (the Lord Chancellor),
responsible for the circumstance of the
seeretairl of tlfe
s oodi
nel 1 y,
g taken p, then entered into a d
whole ease. He mlace oved the Bill should be re a second
time that day three months.
confidence in tee
Lord BROUGHAM had entire
d
judgment of his Noble and Learned Frlen but he
Divorceonhe most anaoma-
Bills in Perlis-
called upon the Home to reflecot
lons course taken in respect
„It.
heard a single
maul;' not one of their Loedstaipshehyaeieg
were dea ge upon to
word of the evidence, thoug t
P ass
After ea
fewision upwords on it.
from the Earl of MOUNT-
CASHELL,
was agreed to, and the Bill was or-
Thes amendment
second time that day three months.
S
dared to be read
TANDIzIU ORDERS.
The Marqui
s of cLANRICARDE then proceeded to
of the House to the standing order,
cell the attention
No, 185, with vlaw to the modification of the provi-
sions thereof in respect of Bills to bo brought into Par-
t in any future session. The order in question
nen:too ____
the 4, wnarneliffe" order, and rendered it impossible
wvreffect any change in the management of railways
without- the expense an Act of Parliament. This was
great hardship upon the railway companies. The effect
of the order was to enable large companies to prevent
Parliament from considering any scheme of competition.
He proposed to refer the order to the Standing Orders
Committee, with a view of considering the propriety of
reducing the majority of shareholders now required to
unction an application to Parliament from four-fifths to
three-fifths. •
Lord REDESDALE said the object of the order was
to protect the shareholders from the.directors of com-
panies, and if it had been found to act oppressively,
there would have been more than the single case of the
Shrewsbury and Cheater and Shrewsbury and Birming-
ham Companies, to cite. He knew inttarces in which
the proportion of four-fifths had prevented injury being
done. As to the suggestion that the shareholders before
•yoting should have had their shares for a certain.and
definite time, he thought j valuable ono; and with ro-
spe e; to the proposition of the Noble Marquis he thought
it bolter to refer the order to the consideration of a less
numerous Compeittee than the Committee on Standing
Orders, aid if any alterations were made in the present
regulations, it should be done on the fullest and moat
einpartial inquiry.
,Lord lIA.THERTON observed that the proportion of
font -fifths appeared to have been adopted by the COM-
mittkle without any grounds being stated for that course,
and be was surprised that he had heard no grounds
stated by the Noble Lord (Radesdale) for its adoption.
With reference to the specific case which had given rise
to the discussioa of the matte: on a late occa,3ion, rte
thought it; hard that the ironmasters of Staffordshire had
no mesa, of direct communication with the coast by
railway. It was only by competition between the
various endlweyeoMpaaies thht that ooald bo effected,
and if this order operated to prevent the establishment
of that competition, he thought. a modification of it,
tvon
,that and upon general grounds ought to be adopted.
He had no obieetion to three-fifths being the majority
instead_of fogr-fifths.
The ctrl of
.STRADBROKE thought that three-
fourths would be a fair majority.
Tne Earl of HARROWBY thought it advisable that
- the standing order should be maintained, for the per-
peva of preventing the interests of the great body of the
shareholders from, being sacrificed to the jobbing of
direretore. _
Tile Marquis of LINSDOWNEerged upon the House
the •ueceesity of protecting the interest of the public.
Upon the subject of amalgamation, that was a question
upon - Which it was most important that their Lordships
should be able to pronounce en unfettered opinion, re-
gard being had to the merits of the case. It was not to
be determined by the particular interests of small Com-
panics,' liable to be influenced in thcerarious ways their
Lordships had heard described. Bat when the questioe
arose between two great and pome:ful companies, he
though they should lock at it on public principle, and
see which of these companies Was the most likely, with
reference to all the local circumstances, to become an
aneAgemateri body ehe must useful in providing for the
wants of tie public:. Nov, ho thought that if miaorie
Wee were allowed to settle these questions—and ica.nori.:
eritis—their tivs might be v.), rants as v7Oll as
Lord-
ship; might find tliceasolv,s n the; position, that with
the streisgeLt peisible eetc in savour of certain
companies to provele for a great lino of cemtnueicattent.
they would tie cletratred theca entering into its coetidera-
. goer by. small camp;teies stopping in and availed them-
.oel;en- of trio oreer or the Haute, wed mediae to their.
. Lordships that they could not and should not consent to
the aereSeemetine.
" • 'Earl GRANVILLE was of opinion that the House
was quite prepared to entertain the yeetion without
refer:Met it.
Lord BROUGHAM said that the question ought to
be referred, and that that should have been done threb
years age:
- Lord LYNDHURST said there could be no doubt
that legislation upon this subject was in a most tinsatis-
. ,factory stute. The railway which had given rise: to the,
question was one of the utmost importance to the into-
rests of the watery, and it was altogether monstrous
that those interetta should be defeated by combinations
aineugst ameller companies. He admitted that the
,re-
cent ce:ision of the Stanaing Orders Committer), was
- .correct, mid that there wits no sufficient evidence to es-
tablish the charge which had been alleged egainzt the
company on that occasion; but it did certainly appear in
the evidence before the Standing Orders Coalmine°
:tat on a previous occasion ehg.res were osteniibly-pur-
ed by, and registered in the neenes of, the servants
f
(sjle,ceeapauy, ter the aclotoplishment of a perticular
and he did nu Izuow weat reeten there Plays to
atuott,e that the setae contrivance hed no; been resorted
sack re,,prelencrinstacce. To prevent the incurrence of
wetilat;etattance, he was convinced that the best step
of
tila ;heir 14,111hip3 reduoe the proper:inn
Too Llrii,r Of votes from four-fifth to three-filthe. •
to the eititatenal)U-dY preferred sending the question
stop witt„i4g_proci-.3 Cornmince in taking trey hasty
..it at the present moment. He was
not at all
wu,,,,tii,ft the best or moss cffictcal mode of
dealia;7
iifcti3 four-. 141,3. hoa to fix the majority at tilree-
c„,,le,ation.
.'t he thoughtit would be a point
worthy
L'y the Committee whether the
most eff, ctuf.l
Alll •
,her es al! ertsonna.,,,ao tet aei to require that
orbs
eriod before ti,„A.,Y,0.14:d should be herd f
certain
thenget would (30 an to `L ware given. That be
pa„y talon!'
eharesioset4'l,ogruard against any codl-
ing defluence over the_ atti!' _ theo, purosep
ro of exerore
'
meetings. • 'Lea tphe et - pree
To., motion for referring thatra'
eau°
mittoe Watt al agreekl to; ato the do..
The Ceneolidsted awl Aepeearia'
•lou Bill , was read
a second titußP.
. The siili;ia Ballots SUSPenB-11)4'Bill
4S read a second
• time.
a se
, . ,
The /Militia Pay Bill "3 roe tux
The Navy Pay I. was road a en.,
third
e.
TheePharrincett Bill was passed throb; 11 to—m-
The-Sunk Island Roads read
.a
"'t43.
FeIIITORS IN CHANCERY
RELIEte wit/.
•-• TheHoese Wine gene into Committee oe this
Bill
n. • ,Lonl LYNDHURST - moetel the .reaterltiche'
after
*Anne:4se been strata out bo,
,1s elange-cwhich-had.
• Housenit• Cummonerelatin
g t CoLapCll3atiOn to thethe
.
of..
firers in the Taxing Master's office. •
• The-Earl ef•DERBY said -it struck him that if thy,
increased the amount of meatesneeteee the other Idoett
woald scarcely aetaatent iuit.. He would suggest to
the it able end Learned Lord opposite ertunity
, to postpone Vail
,consid•Jration of this question until he had opp
-- a day -or twonF seeing how it wars likely to be vie-wild
by the -other House. Then the Nobly and Learned Lord
wciald-bo betterable to determine the count, it would be
advienble ler him te-ptirsue. At all events he hoped
that the Noble unl:Learned Lord would not • Ow 89
;11; ai)l V_1413 tij3o2. his proposition as to risk the telelhing
of Use aitasuee by pressing his . preposition. at ttint,
momezat.
Lord LYNDRVAST. paid that 'there were four of the
senior clerk's io receive compensation for the loss of the
fees whichetheerhad been hitherto authorised to receive.
,
He thought it would be most unjust if compensation.
were iioettwarded to the junior clerks alsce in respect to
aural feed,' inasmuch as under the existine system they
would be entitled to occupy the cakes Of the senior
clerks, and of course et-receive such-fees in the event of ;
vaottecies oce!zrring' Us had therefore prepared a pro-
'ago to efftet that oliject.
The LOAD'OIIANCELLOR having mall
to aucli aproviso b ° sortie
tertLon,o__ _ . mg added to the clause, at(
4,1727,
essi,sen when it would be impossible to pass
froaritistaletr4-
tt, ter .EFAlio of Perliaoleut should assent
sever
!.16,en,
whatu. t raid that :he,
LorcitL,Yee „te
considered was injustice, in de-
fot' ark', could
ferenee to the willeio;:tee-
The LORD. oil he House Og
not theirs, bur that of-the OR slid that the Bill was
of Commons had kept ELL Commons..
it-
Governmnt. The house
it
vva3
impossible I!!te before it came Up to
ttarearitiltooarinishetiranstoras
prapoi,to make such an al-
ttrh,out risking its safety
iii the 8e `t seisien. Noe, be
measure,
the kill) in its
main features, a most. excellent
bd -my sorry to-yielt.it by matt,. ur°, a.O be would
there evlalteratibne in it.
• - leord,LlCNlHUg4Teald
itot,
uann6cte
4„. f e some curious
Apart of a Committee of the other upon the
ouse, one of the

principal recommendations of which was, the aboli-
tion
of certain offices connected with the courts. The
Bill was framed under the superintendence of the
Master of the Rolls in the House of Commons.
It dealt in an unsparing manner with the officers
connected with the Lord Chancellor's Court; but it
had not touched the offices of the Master of the Rolls'
Court, except in rendering them more advantageous than
they were heretofore. The clerk to the secretary of the
Court of Chancery was not to
exceed 2001. a year,whereas the two or three clerks of the secretary of the
Master of the Rolls were to have a salary of 3001. a
year each.--(Hear.) He would not agree to pass a mea-
sure into a law which in his opininodn i(naysowlveedunadperrisntocoipdle
of injustice.
Toe question was then put, a
Committee.
~
the proviso was negatived without a division.
The Bill then passed through
The Commons Enclosure Acts Extension Bill was re-
ported with amendments.
The Appointment of Overseers Bill was read a third
R
time and passed.
HEREDITARY
CASUAL
EVENUES IN THE
OLONIES BILL.
acclee o
motion
that this Bill be read a third time,
NEWCASTLE said ho was not alto-
with the Noble Earl's explanation of this
g,neeTOtahh3ne,err the
:pl.t43.Tred wished parbiea!arly to have some explana-
tsiorap
lenfs theari
ssiencgo nfrdocml stubs:
e 513
ar
10: iodfinw e gisftor appropriating the
a
lands.' As tar as
he nnderetood the principle of the Bill, he thought that
theeGovernoient had acted most wisely in reference to
the waste lands and mines.
The Earl of DERBY said that the Bill was framed
with tho view of removing some doubts that existed is
reference to the legal appropriation of those revenues,
arising out of the sale of waste lands, because they had
been hitherto considered part of the hereditary re-
venues of the Crown, and were given in consideration
of the civil list, which was appropriated by Parliament.
It was now intended by this Bill to give to the colonies
the profits arming out of the sale of the waste lands and
any mineral treasures of the colonies, instead of leaving
them to be appropriated by Parliament.
In reply to an obeervation from the Duke of NEW-
CASTLE,
The Earl of DERBY said that this measure could not
be considered a permanent one that would meet every
contingency that might arise in those colonies. Of
course a now arrangement must be made if the re-
venues of those colonies should hereafter be each as
to require it.
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
The Turnpike Acts Continuance Bill and the Poore
law Board Continuance Bill, the Inland Revenue Office
Bill, and the Savings Banks (Ireland) Bill, were seve-
rally read a second time.