The Sun.
London, England, 1864-06-11 00:00:00

THE SUN, LONDON, SATURDAY EVENING, JUNE 11, 1864.

Manchester would be most grateful to the noble lord for
this proposal.
Mr BAINES said that all the mercantile interests of the
country would heartily approve of the vote.
Mr CRAWFORD said his constituents in the City of
London unanimously declared for the proposal.
Mr Malins, Mr Marsh, Mr M. Smith, and Mr Cox like-
wise strongly supported the motion.
Sir F. BARING, as the Chancellor of the Exchequer in
the days when Sir Rowland Hill's plans were sanctioned
by Parliament, testified to the great pleasure which he
felt at the announcement of the proposal of Government.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr NEATE, as the private secretary of the right hon.
baronet at the period to which he had just adverted,
reminded the house that they ought not to forget the part
which the right hon. gentleman acted in giving effect to
the suggestions of Sir Rowland Hill. (Hear, hear.)
Mr HENNESSY asked how it happened that Sir Row.
land Hill had never filled other than a subordinate office
in the department with which he had been connected ?
He ventured to suggest that if there was a place in the
Government not directly connected with finance, that ought
to have been given to Sir Rowland Hill, that place was the
office of Postmaster General. In any other country, per-
haps, the services of Sir Rowland Hill would have been
requited in that manner.
Lord PALMERSTON—Sir, there are two very good
reasons why I think it would have been no benefit to Sir
Rowland Hill to have been made Postmaster General. He
would have had no increase of salary while he held the
office, and he would have had to go out with the Govern-
ment. (Laughter.) I just wish to answer one observation
made by the hon. gentleman, He said he did not believe
the Post-office paid its expenses. Now the net revenue of
the Post-office for the year 1863 was £1,793,000, after pay-
ing expenses.
Mr D. GRIFFITH was surprised that the practice had
sprung up of appointing peers to an office that was of a
strictly commercial and mechanical character, and he wished
for information on the subject.
Mr J. WHITE said while the noble lord told the house
that the Post office paid to the revenue £1,700,000, he had
forgotten that the packet service, which cost £1,000,000, was
a legitimate charge on the Post-office. We therefore derived
only £700,000 from the Post-office. He did not say this in
disparagement of Sir Rowland Hill, but he thought the
mistake ought not to pass uncorrected. He should cordially
support the vote.
The vote was then agreed to without a dissentient voice.
On the vote of £65,543 for the expenses of the Board of
Trade and subordinate departments,
Mr A. S3lllll and Mr WILLIAMS complained of the in-
crease in the estimate.

Mr M. GIBSON said the increase arose from a desire to
make the department more efficient. It was aleo attributable
to the increase of business received by the Board of Trade
from the Admiralty in connection with harbours, and to the
annual increase of the salaries of the clerks. Several places
which were vacant had not been filled up. The increase
arose from increased business of the department, and the
change of organisation had improved its efficiency. He
expressed his belief that it would be a great pity if Admiral
Fitzroy's department should be given up, until further
experience showed whether it was desirable to continue
permanently the expenditure for meteorological purposes.
Colonel DICKSON had witnessed the accident at Egham,
and had seen two men die from want of some apparatus like
tools and ropes to extricate them from the ruins of the
crushed carriages. He suggested that such appliances should
be a.4.tached to all trains.
Mr COX moved to report progress.
Mr M. GIBSON explained that the powers of the inspec-
tors were limited ; bnt no doubt the remark of the hon. and
gallant member would lead to some such precaution being
adopted,

The motion to report progress was negatived, and the
vote agreed to.

The next vote was one of £3,908 to pay the salaries and
expenses of the office of Lord Privy Seal.

Mr COX said atter twelve o'clock they ought not to pro-
ceed with supply, and again moved to report progress.
The enamittee divided—
For the moticn... .
Against it 59
Majority
The vote was agreed to.
The next vote, of £8,741 for the Civil Service Commis-
sion, was agreed to.

£19,491 was next proposed for the Paymaster-General's
Department.

The vote was agreed to, and the house resumed.
The report on Lady Elgin's Annuity was brought up and
agreed to, and leave given to found a bill thereon.
The report of the Greek Loan of £l,OOO was brought up
and agreed to after some discussion, and-leave given to bring
in a bill.

WEIGHING OF GRAIN (PORT OF LONDON)
BILL.
Mr CRAWFORD, on resuming the adjourned debate on
the second reading of this bill, proposed that if the house
agreed to the second reading, he would consent to havo the
bill referred to a select committee upstairs.
Colonel DICKSON moved the adjournment of the
debate.

Mr AYRTON supported the amendment.
Mr Alderman ROSE was proceeding to address the house
in support of the bill, and against the adjournment of the
debate, when

➢lr AYRTON rose to order, and directed the attention
of the Speaker to the eircumstaage that there wore not forty
members present.

The right hon. gentleman, having counted the house,
ascertained that there were only thirty members present,
and so the house stood adjourned at one o'clock.

rough calculation. He appears to have ordered everything
that he was likely to realize in money. The goods were
purchased at the best manufactories, and on very advan-
tageous terms. I have since paid for all of them except a
few trifles. So lately as Saturday last I paid about £3,000
in respect of them. It having come to our knowledge that
a quantity of leather of a peculiar kind had been offered for
sale to Messrs. Bevington, of Cannon-street, at an ex-
tremely low price, our suspicions were excited, and my
partner wrote to the prisoner on the sth February charging
him to observe the greatest caution with regard to the houses
with which he dealt, and to have no transactions with any
one unless he had a satisfactory reference. Believing the
goods offered at such low prices to Messrs. Bevington were
some which the prisoner had disposed of to other parties who
had not paid for them, the prisoner was directed to go imme-
diately to Messrs. Bevington's, and to take a lien on them,
requesting them at the same time not to pay to the sellers
until we ourselves had been paid. Just before that the
prisoner had written to us stating he had sold all his goods.
It was not from him that we had heard the leather had
been offered to Messrs. Bevington at low prices. Up to
January last the prisoner had not furnished us with the
names of his buyers, and we had then not the least
idea that he had sold goods to Lheman or Arend. We
expected his customers wouldl have been large respectable
houses. lat once came to London, arriving on Feb. 7. I
saw the prisoner and spoke to him about the goods offered
to Messrs. Bevington. lie replied that the buyers with
whom he had dealt always paid him beforehand, and that
there was nothing to fear. He explained that the leather
had been offered to Messrs. Bevington with the view only of
proving that it had not been bought too dearly at Paris. I
believe Messrs. Bevington did not buy any of it. On Feb.
8, I learned the names of his buyers from the prisoner. I
asked him fore d
down
a wn
n i s
at
and of
Au all his buyers and the amounts they
owed.
dozen names, and among them
thoseof t a
rend. I made inquiries, and with
those
puthml
he
respect to those two, having been told that they were not
worth £2OO, I told him he was not to trust them for any fur-
ther amount. He said he would not, but at the same time
he was sure they would Pay to the last farthing. Hs said he
had known Lheman for many years in Paris, that he was
very honest, and that M. Devaux, a French banker in Lon-
don had recommended him. He told me he had seen Lhe-
man receive £9,000 in exchange for a packet of bills. He
said also that Lheman bad introduced him to Arend. He
afterwards stated that a man named Leo had introduced him
to Arend. I saw Leo outside the police-station when Lheman
custody, I had looked at the prisoner's books,
awnada,tvnnediningto themin a state of the greatest confusion, I
employas very difficult to find one in London, but
that
a bookkeeper at once. The prisoner
spokenitw to a Belgian whom he knew, and should
srbepheoglrgite h ell that
shortly have him to
t d
a
the advantage of his services. Before returning
to Paris I saw Lheman (who is now in custody on a charge
of forgery), and told kite it was necessary we should have
some settlement of the large amount he owed tut-16,000
or £7,ooo—and that We must draw on him for part of the
debt. He said he was a great merchant, that he had sent
consignments to different parts of the world, especially
the Cape and the Mauritius. He said he had sent many
goods to Australia, and that he had written to all parts ask-
ing for money_ more than £2o,ooo—but that none had yet
arrived. He at first objected to our drawing bills upon him,
but at last consented that we should do so for £2,000, adding
that he would pay the remainder in May. The prisoner was
then present, and heard all the conversation. After we had
left Lheman's office he said he regretted very much that I
had made that arrangement with Lheman, because he was
sure I would have been paid the whole debt by the middle
of April. This was on the Bth of February, and I gave
directions to the prisoner that Lheman was to have no fur-
therthat time cch-stcu
credit until he paid wheat he owed. Lheman was at
eying t:eo small rooms on a first floor at 140,
Fenchcarceet, and I only saw one man there as a clerk,
poorly dre",sed. When we name out the prisoner, observing
that 1< was not satisfied with his having given such large
credit to a person so circumstanced, said I was not tojudge
by appearance, for Lheman was a partner itt bno of the first
houses in London. The prisoner dfd not afterwards tell me
that on that very day, Feb. 8, he had supplied to Lheman
£2,128 worth of geodes and on the 11th £796 worth, or nearly
£3,000 weal:sin. all, contrary to my express instructions,
There is no entry in his book of those goods having been
supplied, or any of them. On the 9th I meet Arend at my
office in Cheapside, the prisoner observing that he wished
to afford me the pleasero of his acquaintance as one of hie
principal custom. On that occasion Arend said he bought
large quantities of goods of other London houses for con-
signment, but that he certainly preferred our houses because
we were selling him goods on very advantageous terms.
(A. laugh.) He added that he was waiting for some silks
that had been ordered for him by Mr Werner (the pri-
soner) from Lyons. These orders were stopped by es at once,
and the prisoner blamed 'as very much for having done so.
Arend said he had intended to ship the goods to different
countries. told him, however, that we could nut sell
him any more, and that he must settle his accounts in the
same manner as other customers—by bills that we
shott!..l draw upon him at once, lie then owed us £5,000
P. £6,000, He promised to accept a bill for £2,000. The
day after this interview, though I had told the prisoner not
to give Arend credit for a single farthing more, he supplied
Arend with goods to the amount of £1,179. On Feb. 14 I
returned from Paris, and between that time and the 20th
prisoner forwarded to me there acceptances of Arend for
£3,000, of Lheman for £3,000, and of a man named Lindner,
whom Lheman had recommended to me, for 11,200. Those
bills were payable in April, but we returned them to him on
Feb. 20, on the ground that we had found it impossible to
negotiate them. In an accompanying letter we charged the
prisoner not to give credit to Lheman and Co., Arend, or to
Lindner for a greater sum than £500; and that to justify
risks of considerable sums they must bo incurred only with
respectable houses, well• established, and whose acceptances
we should find no difficulty in negcciating. On Feb. 23 the
prisoner wrote us a letter, in which he said " I am going to
tell you what I have done. Arend has plenty of money, but
he does not wish to pay any yet. His reason is that he
wants some more hoods, and seeing clearly that we dont
wish to give him more credit he does not see why he should
pay. Lheman says the same. They all reply thus to my
questions, Do you think we have thousands of pounds
sterling to give you every time you ask ?' For the future
I will conform in all parts to your instructions, and as re-
gards the present 1 close the credit with these men."
That letter was written by the prisoner on Feb, 23, and
betwen Feb. 27 and March 8 he supplied Arend, unknown
to us, with £7,000 worth of goods. On the 15th or 16th
of March I returned to London. and had all the prisoner's
books made up by an accountant. I found that Lheman
was indebted to U 3 to the amount of £12,000,
though the
prisoner's books only showed from £B,OOO to £lO,OOO. As
soon as I arrived I told the prisoner that I wanted to see if
Lheman could pay his bill for £2,000 due on the
2d of April. He said Lheman had positively pro-
mised to ray him from £4,000 to £o,ooo in a few days.
The day the prisoner told me that I received a letter from
our house in Paris stating that a gentleman named Devaux
to
had called there and said that Lheman was not able
meet his bill. I afterwards saw Lheman, when he said he
could not pay, but if 1 would renew the till until the 2d of
June he would meet it then. I did nut accede to that re-
quest, and told;him he must give us security for the sum
he owed us, upon which he opened his iron chest,
andtook
out a lot of bills of exchange for about £B,ooo,which
handed to me, and which I have since found to be worth
and
he
less. The bills have now been paid, though ove
Lheman still owes me £12,000. He is now
on a charge of uttering five of these bills, smote
£4,393 odd, knowing them to be forged.
Mr Lewis applied to have the prisoner remanded,
.ob-
serving that his client, M. Tanco A-mer°' in
instituting
of getting
this prosecution had not the slightest expectation
a single shilling of his money back, and that inating
he was solely to
custody
protection of commerce.
said he hoped on a
Mr Wontner, jun., for the prisoner,
in-
animated by public considerations, having regard to the
future occasion to be able to give an entirely different co
plexion to this matter.

Mr Alderman Hale, repl)ing that it would be up-hill
work, remanded the prisoner, and peremptorily refused to
entertain an application to admit bim to bail inthe interim.

Crystal Palace—Projected Thames Tunnel

Railway.

exclusive of the corn ••
From evidence given yesterday by Mr Bowley.'general
manager of the Crystal Palace, before Lord Stanley's com-
mittee, it appeared that the palace had been opened (on the
hadprev ibeenous day)visii
eedx
baye tllys,t2e6n6,y9eja.2rps
ecstohnast,during that period it
pany's staff, exhibitors, and their assistants, &c., which
would have brought the numbers up to nearly seventeen
millions and a half.
Mr Bowley's evidence also went to show that although
there had been a considerable increase in the population of
the north-east of London, according to the last census, it
had been much larger in the southern districts. He in-
stanced Penge as having, between 1851 and 1861, increased
329 per cent., Sydenham 135 per cent., and Plumstead and
Charlton 150 per cent., &c.
Mr Bowley's evidence further went to show that a junc-
tion between the north and south of London, east of Lon-
don-bridge—suc's as was proposed by the Tunnel line _was
an absolute necessity; and that it would be a great boon to
the inhabitants of the poorer districts lying to the north and
north-cast of the metropolis.
It also transpired in evidence, that in addition to the pre-
sent communication with the palace via Kensington, Vic-
toria, and London-bridge stations, that the high level line
now forming in front of the palace would be open for traffic
by the Ist of May
next year, when, by arrangement with the
South-Eastern Railway and other companies, direct access
to the palace would also be had from Blaceriars, Cannon.
street, Charing-cross, and whole the system of main lines of
the:South-Eastern and South-Western companies.
_ _

Mr Bawley pointed out to the committee that the promo.
tion of these lines and junctions had very r.uch occupied
his attention during the past six years, and that he regarded
the formation of the present proposed line, crossing the
river by means of the Thames Tunnel,:as:the completion of
a perfect system of metropolitan and provincial coramunica.
Lion with the Crystal Palace, and that by those means all
the great lines would have direct access to it, and the in-
cenvenieneo of the present termini both in London and at
the Crystal Palace might be obviated, and any number of
persons might visit the palace on crowded days in comfort
and safety.

Naval and Military Intelligence,

THE NAVY.

1 On Thursday Mr. IL C. E. Childers, M,P., the
newly appointed Lord of the Admiralty, accom-
panied by Mr. H. W. R. Walker, paid his first
official visit of inspection to Chatham Dockyard, at
which establishment he was occupied several hours
in the examination of the labour system of accounts
and returns inaugurated by Mr. Stansfeld, and
which ;since its introduction has been attended with
the most satisfactory results. Mr Childers also spent
some time in a survey of the dockyard extension
works, in progresss at St. Mary's Island, and like-
wise inspected the new barracks in teurse of erec-
tion by Messrs. Foord and ions, for the Royal
Marines, Mr Rie,ete, the Admiralty clerk of works
at Chatham, accompanying his lordship during his
1 tour of inspection.
The operation of testing, by means of hydraulic
pressure, the engines, boilers, condensers, and other
portions of the machinery of the iron-plated frigate
Achilles, 35, 1,250. horse power, took place at
Chatham on Wednesday, on the occasion of Rear-
Admiral J. It. Drummond, C. 8., one of the Lords
of the Admiralty, Rear-Admiral S. Robinson, Con-
troller, Mr, Reed, Chief Constructor, and other
officials, making an inspection of the vessel. The
trials were under the direction of Mr. Wigzell, who
represented the firm of Messrs. John Penn and Sons,
the makers of the engines, and were most severe, the
boilers and engines being tested to a pressure of
401 b, and the condensers to 25!b to the square inch,
at which not the slightest defect could be discovered.
Admiral Drummond, together with the Controller
and Chief Constructor, spent a considerable time
on board the Achilles in the inspection of that vessel,
which, in consequence of the amount of work still
remaining to be completed, will not be ready to pro-
ceed to sea for some three months to come.
The entertainment on board her Majesty's ship
Victory, referred to in The Sun of Wednesday, was
not girca by the officers of that ship. The hosts 1
were the captain, Francis Scott, C. 8., and Mrs. Scott, who on the occasion entertained nearly 400 1
of their friends,

The following appointments have been made at
the Admiralty—W C Forrest, nominated to a naval
cadetship; E. B. D'Arcy, second master, additional,
to the Boscawen for the Ferret; W. S. Chambre,
master's assistant, to the Fog; H. Knight, engineer,
to the Fisgard for the Laudrail ; James Dalton, en-
gineer, to the Hawke tor the Tenders; John Crew,
supernumerary in the Asia, promoted to first class
assist, engineer; and William J. Ray, acting second
class assist. engineer, to the Asia, as supernumerary.

THE ARMY.
A general order has been received at the Royal
Engineer establishmer t, Chatham, from the Morse
Guards, in which the Duke of Cambridge directs
that the issue of the metal gabions of Capt. Tyler's
and Quartermaster Jones's patterns is to be discon-
tinued until further orders. This order has been
given in consequence of its having come to the
knowlcgc of the Field Marshal Commanding-in-
Chief that particles of iron from each of the above
descriptions of gabions were scattered with such
force into the interior of the battery at some recent
experiments with 12-pounder field-guns against em-
brasures lined with tele metal gabions as to mani-
fest clearly that gabions of those patterns are inap-
propriate for that particular application in rivetting
embrasures, traverses, and other places exposed to
direct fire.

Orders have been received at Chatham garrison
for the first detachment of volunteers of the Royal
Engineers for service in India to embark at Graves-
end on Tuesday next, the 14th inst., for Madras, to
replace the late East India Company's Engineers,
who have been broken up. The men selected for
this service have been taken from the depot and
other companies at headquarters, and the whole are
complete in their surveying and field-work instruct
tion. The detachments for Calcutta and Bombay
will embark early in the ensuing month,
A circular memorandum, addressed to the army
at home, has been promulgated from the Horse
Guards, stating that the appointment of Professor
of Military History and Art at the Staff College is
vacant ; and that the Field Marshal Commanding-
in• Chief desires that commanding officers will send
not later than the 10th July next, the applications
of such officers as feel themselves qualified for the
situation.

The ship Middlesex, 1,191 tons, one of Mr George
Marshall's London fl:et, Capt. C. Caramel!, R.N.R.,
arrived at Spithead early yesterday morning from
Calcutta and St. Helena, with the following
troops and passengers on board—Major-General
Carmichael Smith, lady, and two children ; Capt.
Martin, 38th Foot (in charge of troops on board),
Mrs. Martin, and three children; Capt. Dagleish,
71st Highlanders; Lieut. Brydges, R. A,, Mrs.
Brydges, child, and native servant; Lieut. Co wburn,
52d Regiment; Lieut. Dobbins, 6th Europeans,
Mrs. Dobbins and two children; Surg. Bogle, M.D.,
Her Majesty's Indian army, in medical charge of
troops on board ; two Misses Sages and Mr. Thomp-
son ; 6 sergeants, 119 rank and file, and 1 drummer,
with 6 women and 28 children invalided from various
regiments serving in India. Three men, time ex-
pired, with one woman and four children, embarked
at St. Helena. Five invalided soldiers, two women,
and one child died during the voyage home. The
Middlesex sailed from Calcutta on the 18th of Fe-
bruary, and from St. Helena on the 25th of April.
Since leaving the latter place she has experienced a
succession of light winds, chiefly from the eastward.
On the ship's arrival at Spithead being notified at the
Quartermaster-General's office at Portsmouth yester-
day morning the necessary steps were at once taken
by the preseat indefatigable Assist.. Quartermaster-
General, Col. L. Shad well, lor their disembarkation,
and by 2 p.m. the invalids were received at the
Royal Victoria Military Hospital at Netley, the
time-expired men in quarters on shore at Ports-
mouth, and the ship under way at Spithead, re-
suming her voyage for London to discharge a large
general cargo she has on board from Calcutta,
The Metropolitan Board of Works.

The usual weekly meeting of this board was held yester-
terday, at the offices in Spring-gardens. The President,
J. Thwaites, Eeq., took the chair at twelve o'clock.

PINANcE.
The cash statement for the current week shows a total
general balance of £167,243 6s 4d.
THE PROPOSED NEW ROAD FROM TOTTENHAM-COURT-

ROAD TO CHAXDOS-STREET.
A report was brought up from the streets committee
recommending that the proposition of the Hampstead, &c.,
Railway Company, to limit the formation of the proposed
street, from Tottenham court-road to Chandos-street, be
acceded to, provided the company construct the street 60
feet wide, and widen Buckingham-street from the Strand
to Duke-street, to 30 feet, and undertake to pay a sum to be
agreed upon, for any land, or interest in land, on, over, or
connected with the embankment, which the company
may require.
The recommendation of the committee was, after some
discussion, adopted.
REPORT PROM THE THAMES EMBANKMENT COMMITTEE.
A report was sent up from this committee, stating that
they had received the following offer from the Metropolitan
District Railway Company, viz. :—That they should be
allowed to construct their railway from the commencement
of the embankment at Westminster to Cannon-street, in the
City, under the proposed embankment and new street, upon
payment to this board of £300,000; the board to pay all
compensation involved directly or indirectly by reason of
the construction of the embankment and railway between
the above-mentioned places, but to bo allowed to construe t
their low level sewer from Cannon•street to Great Tower-
street, under the intended railway, without paying any com-
pensation to the company ; and recommending—that the
offer be not acceded to, and that the solicitor be instructed
to take all necessary steps for sustaining the principle of
the payment by the railway company to this board of the
sum of £500,000. for the right of constructing their line
along the Thames embankment and that portion of the new
street between Blaokfriars-bridge and Cannon-street; the
railway company to pay all compensation to the City Gas
Company and other parties whose property may be affected
by any alteration in the embankment works, consequent
upon the construction of the company's line along the
em-
bankment, and to defray the cost of all alterations and
di-
versions of sewers and other works rendered necessary by
the construction of the railway and other works in connec-
tion therewith, and agreeing to enter into such arrangements
as may be satisfactory to the Board, for indemnifying them
against any liabilities which may arise from any alteration
in the contracts entered into for the construction of the
Thames emankment works, agreeably to the terms of Mr
Fowler's letter addressed to the engineer of the board, and
dated April 20, 1864.
The recommendation of the committee was adopted.
After disposing of the routine business the board ad-
journed.