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'n°e*t clergeteer
not for the support of Presbyterian or -issentiee his lop'
as the Regium Donum. He unhesitatingly gave eeett
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port to the motion of his Hon. Friend the Member for eteie
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Warwickshire (Mr. Spooner), and he called on the Hausa 0
institute this inquiry, and to repeal this endoermen":e
quickly as it might be done consistently with existinte,bei
terests-an endowment against which the feeling of
country was very strong, and which was repudiated DY_ the
people, for whose benefit it was intended. In 1845 ulewlee
of 10,000 petitions had been sent up against it, and fulliYtst:e,
petitions had been forwarded this session, praying for te,
peal. Let them, in obedience to the feeling which thesde
titions evinced, adopt the motion of his Hon. Friel' er
Member for North Warwickshire. The Noble Lord e
eluded by'seconcEng the motion. t
Mr. ANSTEY, in rising to propose the amen
which he had given notice, said that there was not a °tete
word in the speech of the Noble Lord who had just sPe'ie
which did not show that there was no need of further,
quiry, and that reasons sufficient existed already for th,et,',A
peal of this grant.-(Hear, hear.) The Noble Lord 113aerf
quoted a single fact to show that any inquiry oil eeces9e3;
The object of the Hon. Mover was to create ptical et
Poe,
out of this subject, but when he found that the Preeebeaeee
vernment had unexpectedly succeeded to office be as 10
out of the original motion he had given so long age of
February, and it was only by the derisive cheereviej
opponents that ho was forced to bring the subject Nei gaff,
in its present weakened form --(Hear, hear.) Ibt eel!'
Gentleman's motion referred to the Maynooth gran
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Now his (Mr. Anstey's) object was to supplY etet4
wanting in the Hon. Gentleman's motion, and to gar
it to the repeal of all other grants similar to that el(ffeat,
nooth, whether Roman Catholic or Protestant.--:tte tee
hear.) His view was that they should not appropoa free
means which the Constitution enabled them to draw pse
the over-taxed people of this country, to support tlstreelt
titular religious institutions.-(Hear, hear.) Thai
obeli
vexed the Nonconformists was not any erroneous te. tie/
which the believed to be taught in Ma nooth, but Os' „
ynoo e".
believed it a violation of religious liberty to be called sse
support any religious institution from which the eetle'
sented.-(Hear, hear.) The object of the Hon. „y Sr
man was sufficiently obvious, though not explicit,
Glared.
It was an attempt to provide a ladder in Ord,
break the uneasy full of lion. Gentlemen opposite,
he would not say their apostacy but their-E Mr. Osl3 aer
-" Modification"]-but their " modification" on thins e(l,le
tion would occasion.-- (Hear, hear.) But the Hen.
man could not have stumbled on
a more important p 000
tion for this purpose, than a motion for inquiring, et lee
to which Lord Derby of all others would be less likely toee.
sent, for on the 4th ofJune, 1845, Lord Stanley tblbieb
pressed himself. He quoted from the same authority,,
supplied the Hon. ;Gentleman with his theology-ens the
sard's Debates."-(Laughter.) Lord Stanley, addlessev ist°,
House of Lords on that occasion, said, " That an inclah-e' leas'
Maynooth would be utterly useless"-(Hear)-and
on to say that " If they entered upon that. inquiry if seri
prosecuting it, they called before them the variosl3,° were
of the college, and the evidence which Noble Lerutliii
prepared to produce, for the purpose of proving tha"
tet eeoo,,
that objectionable passage was to ba found in the t
used at Maynooth, or that this or that doctrine or Prlotild
was there inculcated-the only result of such inetitriesel
be an incessant, constant, and daily increasing acethttaositieS
an exaggeration of all the religious rancour and ealorartelt
which remained between different portions of the: t
.sie,
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nity." Such was the language of Lord Stanley
(Hr. Anstey) did not propose his amendment with tti grey
of retaliating on the Hon. Gentleman, but to affirrue.e ‘l4,
principle which was making much way in this couti,i3tecs
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even in Ireland, for there were many Rornan,Ctelusltn
that country who were as steady friends of Wei,' ved wet
principle as the Dissenters themselves. He be preset"
this principle would yet be recognised, if not in thee tlealf
Parliament, at least at an early period.-(Cries of ore ill
hear.") lle confined his motion to grants which was td
simili casu with the Maynooth grant, that funds 03..1
say, to endowments supported out of the, public tu'oiellw'
imposed by Act of Parliament. There were 01°,0 eer,,
votes which he should oppose whenever they it 6811'
posed, because he was convinced that House h 3" "oierei‘
to concern itself with these miserable questions of p A/1'
-(Hear, hear.) He would like to see her Hajestitava
niters taking a wider view of the question than Wasjt thel
by the Hon. Member for North Warwickshire. with'
disapproved of the Maynooth endowment, let thelierl
draw the vote from the Presbyterians of Ireland, cad clergyRegium Donum, the grant in aid of the bishops 313 ror
of the Established Church, the grants made foci
Of ej,
various parts of the British dominions, and in firre°llreepeseJds
chaplains of ambassadors, and all similar items 04,,,„A-
-ture. Let them net confine their view to MaYrie-0 ld Ii
embrace everything else of the same kind. He 6- Clete' 1,
Government by pressing the entire amendment to aeestete,
would be competent for them either to accept or re.,
At all events, ha should have discharged his ,insist trot
Hon. Member then moved as an amendment, fo,
House resolve itself into a Committee, for the Ptiglirs;
considering of a Bill for repealing the Maynooth
ment Act, and all other Acts for charging the public r is
in aid of ecclesiastical or religious purposes." and e
Mr. SCHOLEFIELD supported the amendmentelege
doing so did not affirm any admiration of the C°A tr
Maynooth, to which he was quite as much oelw.seee erVfolele
Honourable Gentleman, as he believed it propaga`Z-egs3 4
He would not, however, avail himself of ,an attilo% 'esetwe
Roman Catholics to leave unchallenged the larger le tlee
of the Irish Church Establishment. The people Pee/
country were deluded by the Honourable Gentlernall'helitios; I
did not want an inquiry They petitioned for the ace
of the grant. The terms of the Act of 1845 ganeactle
all the visitorial power requisite for checking the c°- Of
the Maynooth authorities. A very large portierteoess to
people of Ireland felt it a pressure on their 00°,00,
support the Established Church. Therefore, then st',o ca
of the Noble Lord who seconded the original tueceet tie,
with extremely bad grace from him. Upon this: 1'0145,-1
would read a passage from Mr. Macaulay's speech 'll very
bs
" I say, that objections of that sort come with a t‘le,
grace from one who is the representative of ea
nee
re
university. When I consider with what rnagnificeeea I
gion and science are endowed in our universities;
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to mind their long streets of palaces, the venerae- cr
their trim gardens-their chapels with organs, site
sc• hOOlO
and stained windows; when I remember 016,1.0101er
libraries, museums, and galleries of art ; when I both
teo, all the solid comforts provided in those placees iocipeLe
instructors and pupils, the stately dwellings of the, Pr,ebohleill'
the commodious apartments of the fellows tutit.eit, re "te
when I remember that the very sizars and set'e°prieele
lodged far better than you propose to lodge theose- e keel"
who are to teach the whole people of Ireland ; tv"e"e„o, en,e
of the halls, the common-rooms, the bowling-gr,el ofeeev•
the stabling of Oxford and Cambridge-the diSP'se„ oee7o
plate on the tables, the good cheer of the kitchen, t'beer
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of excellent ale in the buttery, and when I renaelnbee I r°,
whom all this splendour and plenty are derived ;erwr
member the faith of Edward 111. and Henry 'e'sligiva •
garet of Anjou and Margaret of Richmond, of letrels4;
Wykeham, of Archbishop Chicheley, and Cardinale iizoitiA
when I remember what we have taken from thta e
Catholic religion-King's College, New College: eat
Trinity College, and Christ Church-and when 11p0 yet retwe
miserable Do-the-boys-Hall we have given theta s'o
-I ask myself if we, and if the Protestant reltgost
not disgraced by the comparison ?" He believe
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motion of the Honourable Gentleman was 3 --ot Or
of political cowardice, to undermine what he dared n
a ttack.-(Hear. ) the IC
Mr. WALPOLE said-I think it right, Sir, en ;ut eee
of the Government, to state early the course we • efetli;;
pursue; and I will do so without indulging in an
+e'e,Yeelbete
polemical asperities deprecated by the Hon. nof
Youghal. We must all agree that this is a que‘stic it etio
utmost difficulty and delicacy. Whether we re,garutee
political or social bearing, it is intimately cosine estp
and touches upon the tenderest points of our wartne 0 1
ings and sensibilities, which recent events have !(the peer"
effect to with reference to the religious feelings et. t
of this country.- (Hear, hear.) Under these circurae.
I approach the subject with caution and forbearanchreete
proach it I must; for, in the first place it is directlYi, D'o,
before us, and in the second place it has taken suc'es,oteie
on the country that we cannot nor we ought not te,1ltru
To the motion proposed by the Member for Ml` oleo
wickshire the Member for Youghal has proposed
ment, that we should not inquire, but repeal Wigell
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for ecclesiastical or religious purposes. He
establish the voluntary principle. Now that w 66
question, which ought to be brought forward &sated to
stantive proposition. The simple question stihtp. 01 d
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my Honourable Friend is, whether we ough',d, • .:Je
inquire into the state of education in MaYnc"jier6;d
the question implied is whether the grants origin
by various Acts of Parliament and subsequently roe ''‘;
and perpetuated by the last Act of Parliament, here
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swered the purposes intended. That is a fair WAY
the question, before we adopt the conclusion ef,ett eee°,lll,lt
Member for North Warwickshire, namely, to ApPO7;
mittee of Inquiry. There are two ways in which 'irsterrtit
is
be necessary to go into this question at all. In the or ;.° for
just as has been intimated by the Hon. illeraberereobsre
Warwickshire, and I think also by the Hon. 'elude" et
Youghal, it may be said that this question was con meetl,
1845, and therefore it is not to be opened Ad00,,10
way of showing that inquiry is unnecessary, iS ord) 40
conclusion of the Noble Lord (the Marquis of Btariheit
seems to say the grant is so vicious in principle tte, PI lee
no inquiry, and the Government ought to bring I'os Weed
repeal it. Now, as to the first of those propositions
000,itivoe
will immediately see that, in point of fact, the to terielie
upon which this grant has been made from tittle
em, Pallet
conditions which, since Parliament has made the'eer.)
ment has a right to reconsider them.-( Hear, Pt,erbelice
grant was first given in 1795. The object of the grg' eoald...sta
a given, was this :-The Roman Catholics of Irelan end
have seminaries and colleges of their own by 13W' ecanwia
forced to have their priests educated in fereigus leery
where revolutionary principles and infidel doctriP;ti Crt;et
vogue, and it was thought expedient by the Britt
_citeete
that these principles and those doctrines should hbetiet the),
There were other reasons for making the grant'
°
tl eels e'l4
ject of the grant, and it was so stated, was ev--aiiYeeti-
provide in this country, or rather in Ireland, a We
tiotleci
loyal, and domestic priesthood. That grant conic allu i 4
annual one until the Union ; and in the 7th articeationy
was made to certain sums, given to different instl'aa of 01
Ireland, which were guaranteed upon an acer,ieeet tt,
years, for a period of twent years. I think PlT'letiielt Vii;
there pledged to continue the till 1890 .311
grant - • &stet p
liament could not have altered, modified, or eseion 1" Ali
until the period for wl • h b f the tire'P'
which t e terms o en
spot
conceded. Subsequent to that time the grant tbe go
voluntary ono on the part of Parliament, and rna6 fateienc
sidered to have been made upon grounds of el,l tee st
from motives of benevolence. So it continued untl`beegeoee
1845, when Sir Robert Peel entiat eon le
made an eSs ei that grant-first, by increasing the amount; an"'did tPeeb;
by e• •
making it permanent. But at the time we 7104'
stated two grounds for so acting, which, I thin-'e r 613-07
not to lose sight of in considering whether th gtriie.or
answered the purposes for which it was glvee6l,,,erty Pod
of these grounds was the great necessity, the P," represee,,,,
ing over the college. I think Sir Robert Peet "ee"
that the college was in debt 4,0001., that such en° e
were paid to the professors as barely to afford tne'llect
,tfoot,f
to live upon, and that the students were Wee% edditiee
home during one period of the year to save _tt c'
expenses which were beyond their means. 3_l:.:ee th'; 0
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the grounds upon which he vindicated and just'" it
crease of the grant. The other ground you ter hs _ate
his own words, for I think it extremely mater _ give
take. The isttnly
of the question which I am about to ce
was this-to break up a formidable conspiraeY urieish, ee'
the "
Ireland against the British Government and eese
nexion. The words of Sir Robert Peel ere
t 1 to he Of 0,
fend it (the Maynooth Bill) because I believenLoece
es° re'
and just measure, and far better than the co tePeoa sterol)
present system. I call on you to recollect thate_e•tri the
of et
sponsible for the peace of Ireland.-(Cheers
eitte,ae, or L_l.,'tri
Members.) I say you must break up in soln cott,tios,
a
that formidable confederacy which exists eenuetett
. against the British Government and the Brit'? believe_iore
_(Cheers and counter cheers ) I do no'
can do ta
Yon $3
, you can break it up by force. e avow tee
the ee
consistently with the principles You friP
the maintenance of the Union and