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London, England, 1863-03-20 00:00:00

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toxicating liquors might be suspended from 6 o'clock on
Saturday evening to the same hour on Monday morning.
Their lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF LORDS—Last Evening. 1 HOUSE OF COMMONS—Last Evening.
I Lord REDESDALE, in the absence of the LORD CHAN-
The SPEAKER took the chair at 4 o'clock,
CELLoR, took his seat on the woolsack at five o'clock. THIRD READINGS.
The following bills were considered and ordered to be
PRIVATE BILLS. read a third time :—Denbigh Water, London and North
The Haylake Railway, the Esk Valley Railway, and
Western and Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Cora-
surrey Gas Bills were read a third time and passed.
' panies, Saint Asaph Road, South Staffordshire Railway.
THE CASE OF MR. BISHOP.
The Marquis of NORMANBY gave notice that after PETITIONS.
the Easter recess he should call the attention of their lord-
Mr. Cox, and other hon, members, presented petitions
praying for a reduction of the fire insurance duty ; several
ships to the case of Mr, James Bishop, a British subject, in favour of closing public-houses on Sunday; Mr. GRIF-
at present confined in the fortress of Alessandria under a
commuted sentence of 10 years' imprisonment. PITH, from Devizes, praying for a reduction of the, tea
duty to Is per pound.
SALMON EXPORTATION BILL. SANHARY CONDITION OF ROTHERHAM.
The house went into committee on this bill. On the motion of Mr. CHILDERS, an address for copies of
The clauses having been agreed to with a few slight any reports or communications to or from the Central
amendments,
Board of Health relative to the sanitary condition of the
The Earl of DALHOUSIE moved the insertion of a town was agreed to.
clause, which would have the effect of prohibiting the SALMON FISHERIES (IRELAND).
taking of salmon during the close season. On the motion of Sir H. BRUCE, a nominal return of
Lora STANLEY of ALDERLEY objected to the clause. every salmon fishery in Ireland, and the poor law valuation
'I he Earl of MALMESBURY thought the clause neces- of each, and the amount of licence duty paid in 1862 fur the
sary to make the bill effectual. Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY did not think the different modes of, and engines for catching salmon, detailing
the amount p id for each mode and erigine, was ordered,
clause of great importance, but it seemed to him quite un • LABOURERS' COTTAGES (IRELAND).
necessary, and aprarentlY would be a restriction on trade On the motion of Sir H. BRUCE, a copy of correspon-
in foreign countries•
deuce between the Lords of the Treasury and the Board of
The clause, after some alteration, was agreed to. Works in Iceland, on the subject of the restriction placed
UNION RELIEF AID ACT CONTINUANCE BILL. by them (and not contemplated in the act authorising the
This bill was read a third time and passed. advance, or sanctioned in England), on the advance of
THE METROPOLITAN AND CITY POLICE. money for the purpose of building labourers' cottages in
The Earl of DALI-10USIE rose to inquire whether the Ireland, was ordered.
Government intended to take any steps to consolidate the DURATION OF SERVICE IN THE ARMY,—
metropolitan and city police. He said it was to LIEUT.-COL. THE HON. C. CHARTERIS.
Mr. CONINGHAM asked the Secretary of State for
be regretted that with the rejoicings which wet- Mr.
why the Royal 'Warrant, dated 28th March, 1861, 1
comed the Princess of Wales there had been cries of .
pain and agony through the failure of the arrangements of v/ which prescribed twenty-five
.. years as a necessary pre-
the City Police. An attempt had been made to cast the liminary to theprivilege of retiring on half-pay, was de-
blame on the volunteers, but the charge was altogether parted from in the case of Lieut.-Col. the Hon. Richard
groundless. The arrangements throughout the whole line . Cbarteris,. who was on the personal staff of the Commander i
of the cavalcade through the city were bad, and the position in Chief, and who only completed his 21 years
of service in
of the Prince and Princess was at one time one of great October, 1861; also, for what reason a similar indulgence
peril, and it was entirely owing to the good humour of his had been refused to other officers of the army ?
noble friend who had the guidance of it that no accident Sir G. LEWIS was understood to say thathLad ieut.-Cols.
occurred. Offers of additional assistance had been Charteris changed with an other officer whotd beentile
made to the City authorities, but declined, and it had now years in the service, which
by a rule
become absolutely necessary that Government should take of the service not affected by the Royal vnt of 1861.
some serious steps to prevent a recurrence of such scenes.
Mr' CONINGHAM inquired why the like privilege had ,
That which appeared to be the best was the amalgamation been refused to other officers ?
of the City with the Metropolitan police, and he did hope Sir G. LEWIS was not aware of any case in which such
he should hear that such was the intention of Government, indulgence had not been granted.
1
ATTIRE OF THE FEMALES EMPLOYED IN THE
.
Earl GRANVILLE said he was sure nothing could
ROYAL CLOTHING MANUFAL;TORY AT PlM-
be more wonderful than the good humour of the great body
LICO
of people assembled on that occasion ; at the same time he
Mr. .
LEWIS asked the Secretary of State for War whe-
ther not but think that the arrangements of the police
ther it was true, as asserted, that an order had been issued
were exceedingly defective. In regard to the question of
his noble friend, he could not give him any positive answer, by the director of clothing to the women employed at the
The Home Secretary had written to the Lord Mayor pro-
royal clothing factory at Pimlico, by which they were ordered
to provide themselves with the undermentioned articles by
posing an inquiry, and no answer had yet been received to
the fat of April next, viz. :—One black lace cap, trimmed
that communication, except a simple acknowledgment.
with scarlet ribbon, one Garibaldi jacket of violet llama,
The Home Secretary had taken other means of informing and one large jean apron—the cost of which would be 108,
himself, and until the information was obtained he could at least, and that those not complying with the order would
not say what would be the resolve of the Government. be dismissed; and whether it was true that the average
The Duke of CAMBRIDGE thought he might be per- amount earned by those women did not exceed 10s. per
witted to say a few words with regard to the arrangements week ?
made for the royal progress, as he had been alluded to in Sir G. C. LEWIS replied that the adoption of an uniform
another place so far as the military assistance on that occa- system of dress was perfectly voluntary on the part of the
sion was concerned. He felt bound to say that in the first women employed in the Royal Clothing Factory at Pimlico.
instance all military assistance was refused bythe City. On He understood, however, that the workmen were willing to
the Thursday he had a meeting of all officers who were on adopt the proposed dress. It was furnished at 3s. 6d. each,
duty, as well as the Chief Commissioner of the Metropolitan and the women, who earned 9s. or 10s. per week, were re-
Police, and they felt very strongly the necessity for some quired to pay off the account, at the moderate rate of 3d.
military assistance in the City; but, at the same time, he per week. (Hear, hear.)
was aware that such assistance could not be given without UNITED STATES—THE ISLAND OF SAN JUAN.
almost an actual demand from the City. He therefore re- Mr. LONGFIELD asked the Under Secretary for
quested Sir R, Mayne to put himself into communication Foreign Affairs, what progress had been made towards a
with the City authorities on the subject, and to suggest to settlement of the dispute between the Government of Great
them the expediency of making similar arrangements to Britain and the late United States of America as to the
those which were being made for the West-end. On Thurs- Island of San Juan; if any correspondence between the
day morning he received a communication from the super- two Governments had recently taken place on that subject;
intendent of police of the City of London, stating that no and if there was any objection to lay the same before this
military aid was required. This seemed so perfectly mon- house ?
atrous that, being personally acquainted with the Lord Mr. LAYARD replied that since the breaking out of the
Mayor, he took the liberty of sending to him Sir R. Airey, civil war in the United States all communications had
the Quertermaster-General, with a request that he would been suspended between her Majesty's Government and
oblige him (the Duke of Cambridge) by allowing a certain that of the United States. There had been some previous
number of troops to go into the City, fearing that otherwise correspondence, but he should not deem it expedient to lay
something very serious might occur. In the first instance he it on the table of the house.
believed the Lord Mayor, though extremely amiable and CHINA,— THE DRESS OF ENGLISH OFFICERS
courteous in his reply, did not consider it necessary to have EMPLOYED BY THE CHINESE.
such assistance, but on Sir R. Airey further pointing out Mr. ADDINGTON asked the Secretary to the Admiralty
the desirability that the subject should be fully considered, whether the officers of the royal navy now in the service
and one or two others of the City authorities having been of the Emperor of China, had received permission from the
called in to take part in the deliberation, it was arranged, Admiralty to wear the uniform of her Majesty's navy dur-
after some little discussion, that some troops should be sent. ing the period of such service; and, whether there would be
The Lord Mayor had stated that if they had sent Life Guards any objection on the part of the Government to produce a
instead of Artillery there would have been no confusion, copy of the instructions given to Commodore Shepard Os-
(Hear.) He did not understand upon what ground that borne on his proceeding to China?
argument was based, for he could not see why one body Lord C. PAGET replied that the officers permitted to
of troops should be better than another for the purpose. be employed by the Emperor of China were not entitled to
He was quite aware that the household cavalry had wear her Majesty's uniform. (Hear, and laughter.) The
great experience in dealing with large bodies of people
Admiralty had issued no instructions to Commodore Osborn,
in the streets, and it was very well known that they invari- who was absent on foreign leave, and by an order of coun-
ably acted with great forbearance, and did their work really cif could enter the service of the Emperor of China.
well. (Hear.) He felt the responsibility of sending other Mr. ADDINGTON enquired if the uniform of the Eng-
troops
into the City, but he had particularly instructed the lish service had been adopted in China ?
officers commanding the artillery to warn the men to exer- Sir G. C. LE WIS replied that the Chinese Emperor had
cise the greatest forbearance, and to allow the people to see adopted the English uniform for his own troops.
as much as possible. (Hear.) He had spoken to persons Mr. ADDINGTON desired distinctly to learn if the
in the crowd, and it had been especially pointed out to him
English officers serving in China were permitted to wear
that there never was anything like the good humour and
the uniform adopted in the English service ?
forbearance shown by the artillery ; and he had been further Lord C. PAGET replied in the negative.
told that but for the ten or the dozen men in front of the
GREECE.—PERSONAL EXPLANATIONS.
Mansion-house the procession never would have got on at all.
Mr. GREGORY said in the course of the debate the
(Hear.) It had been said that the trappings of the artillery
other night he made some allusion to Mr. Elliot. He said
rendered them unsuitable for the performance of this kind
that Mr. Elliot had been partly sent to Greece to supersede
of duty, but he could only say that the trappings of the artil-
lery were the same as the rest of the army. He was also Mr. Scarlett, and alluded to a rumour to the effect that it
was the intention of the Government to send Sir James
bound to say a word for the volunteers of the City of London. Hudson from Turin, and to replace him by Mr. Elliot,
He had read the letter of Lieut.-Col. Ward, and he thought The remarks which he made were uttered in the spirit of
that that officer was completely exculpated. If any one banter; but he regretted to learn that they had given pain
was in fault in detaining the volunteers at the Guildhall, it
to Mr. Elliot's family, and was assured that no steps what-
was the City authorities, who if they wished to have them
ever had been taken in the matter, and that indeed no
elsewhere should have issued orders to that effect. With
change whatever was contemplated. He regretted, there-
respect to the question of whether or not the City of Lon-
don should retain its own exclusive police he wished to say fore, having occasioned pain to a gentleman who was well
a few words. He believed that the force was composed of known as an honourable and excellent servant of the
very good men, but on Saturday week they undertook a Crows. (Hear, h.)
task which was entirely beyond their strength. To take TOBACCO DUTIES BILL.
charge of the whole line from London-bridge to Temple-bar On the order of the day being read for going into cora-
with such an amount of force was impossible. He thought mitts®,
it highly objectionable that on great occasions like that of The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER appealed
Saturday week two or three authorities should divide amongst to the hon, member for the Tower Hamlets (Mr. Ayrton)
not to persevere with his motion for a committee up stairs,
them the responsibility of preserving order, and whether
but to permit the house at once to go into committee on the
the two forces were amalgamated or not he hoped that some
bill. The step the hon. member proposed to take was
arrangement would be made to produce uniformity of action
entirely unprecedented, and, if agreed to, would have the
in future, (Hear, hear.) At present the City of London
effect of postponing proceeding with the bill until almost
was hermetically sealed against the military authorities.
the end of the session. The manufacturers of Scotland and
As commander-in-chief of the army he could at any time
Ireland had generously given their support to the bill, with
communicate with the chief of the metropolitan police, but
certain amendments which he proposed to introduce, and
with respect to the City it was only by the courtesy of the
an eminent house, competent to speak authoritatively
corporation that any arrangement could be come to. He had
for the largest wholesale English manufacturers,
admitted that that courtesy was always shown, but ho d id feel
Messrs. Grant, Hodgson, and Co., of Fenchurch-street,
that some better arrangement was necessary if they did not
had written to him urging that any longer delay would
wish to see a frightful accident occur on some future great
affect the trade. A committee of the whole house was per-
occasion. It had been said the volunteers were told not to
fectly competent to deal in the matter.
interfere with the crowd. If that was true he thought a
Mr. AYRTON declined to withdraw his motion, and en-
-eery wise precaution had been taken. (Hear, hear.) The
tared at some length into his reasons for doing so.
armed. force which was allowed to interfere with crowds
should be under the strictest discipline and accustomed to be The house then divided, when there appeared—
For going
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trusted, two conditions which they could not expect to find into committee
87
Against it
fulfilled in the case of the volunteers. He could not sit down Majority
without expressing his great satisfaction at the order and The house then went into committee.
regularity which had been maintained by the metropolitan On clause 1,
police. The order they preserved and the courtesy they ex- The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
hibited towards the public were beyond all praise, and he thought it would be for the convenience of the committee
was only too happy to have that opportunity of bringing
that he should state in a very few words some of the
their conduct before the house. (Hear, hear.)
his was
or adjustments which he proposed in the bill. He
Lord TAUNTON said that eleven years since it was was in hopes the bill would pass through its remaining
duty to investigate this question of the City police, and so stages very speedily, but as those changes would be nume-
distinct was the impression then left on his mind that he roes he should propose to reprint the bill. The first change
should now very much regret if Parliament should not take
Mhigh
S with regard to the duty on dried snuff, That was
very peculiarquestion Ittrwashighly improbable that
the present opportunity to remove existing anomalies. They a
had reason to be proud of the good order maintained bythe there would
would ever be a large
s the duty trade
ein
upontlii this
ehoimmhdod'd snuff,iety.ilE vast congregation of people who assembled in the streets of proposed then, first, to raise
London on Saturday week, but for that good order they were or rather to lessen the diminution of duty dutyso asg to dried
eit at
in no way indebted to the City police. What were the cir- 4s. 6d. instead of 4s 2d ; and, secondly, 'to alter the stand-
eumstances under which that force had a separate existence dard of what should be called high dried snuff from 10 to 13
and organisation ? They had a district of exactly one mile per cent. The next change which he proposed to make re-
square to take care of, and they were surrounded on every lated to foreign cavendish in bond, the duty on which he
side by another and vastly larger district, which was en- proposed to fix at 4s 6d instead of 4s ; and to fix the duty
trusted to the metropolitan police. On the occasion to which upon British cavendish in bond at 4s instead of 3s Bd. The
he alluded the late Mr. Whittle Harvey was examined, and third change he proposed was to make a very small addition
although he was anxious to defend the corporation, he to the drawback. At present the drawback was fixed by
could not deny or explain away the anomalies arising from the bill upon the assumption of a certain average amount
these two police jurisdictions. It was high time that these
of moisture, and that drawback as now fixed was anextahcet
anomalies were removed, (Hear, hear.) He (Lord
measure of the amount of duty. But wishing to give
Taunton) had observed that of all the institutions of this had
country the most difficult to reform or interfere with was measure a character of liberally towards the trade, he
thought it fair and right to propose to the committee to
the corporation of London. You might reform the House
of Commons, but no administration thatloved its ease would take into view the fact that upon all descriptions of tobacco
manufactured there was a certain amount of inevitable
interfere with the City of London. He wished that their waste, from absolute loss in the manipulation, the cutting,
heir
thous' and t • an- • • cent. In
princely hospitality, their harmless process
d b t h
be preserve , u e ght that for the grinding, &c., amounting perhaps to lor 2 per
cient state shouldthe particular case of high-dried snuff, it amounted to much
restrained from doing retseht.e.
future they should be
letthis
police queatiZ: They more. Persons engaged in the manufacture were aware of
to
would be told, perhaps, • 'e over, the difficulty, and that it was found impossible to arrange
ure of corporation reform; but
and wait for a general measthe drawback upon this material differently. He therefore
his word for it they might have
if they did they might take
Now was the time, for proposed, with regard to all kinds of drawback, to raise the
to wait until the Greek Kalends. . in standard—or rather the pivot, if he might so speak—of
obstruction existing the drawback
with every faith in the power of
to resist the gene- b
City, he thought it would be impossible
ne- e a considerable advantage to the export trade in general.
tel impression which was now abroad of the absolute The fourth proposed change related to the provisions con •
hesitate to twined in the
cessity for doing something. They need not
it bill, according to which 3a 6d would be
: as was chargeable upon the • •
touch the City police on account of its antiquity, importation of all tobacco which con •
I 'ed
only 23 years old, having succeeded the ancient parochial , tam less mature than 10 per cent. There had been a
system of guarding the City, very justifiablem •
anxiety on the part of the importers
Lord OVERSTONE was surprised that such an anomaly that the bearings of this question
explained. One
be
care-
as the City police should have been allowed to exist so long fully
nor of the gentleman,Exchequer's) named Lloyd, to his (the
and he trusted that the present opportunity would not be Chancellor
a statement which he thonggrhseateeaoustlodnishakmeetnhte,
hairhad
allowed to pass away without some legislative measure cal- sent
the head of his hon. friend the member for the City
possible to produce greaterefficiency and harmony than were on
cu stand on end, (A laugh.) It was •
ppresent.
ossible at (Mr. Crawford)
•The Earl of SHAFTESBURY presented :several peti- of this gentleman, and of the trade which he represented,
lions from on its importation, should be tested, in
Dissenting chapels, praying that the sale of in- that all tobacco,