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do
you meet the difficulty by the present proposition?—
(Rear, hear.) I think the Hen. Gentlemen, with the
views he entertains, was justified in brineing ter ward
this-question—with his views I think he would Pie tsking
!.iestifiable and legitimate course if he proposed to legis-
late on the subject. But if there is this appeal to the pre-
late's superior, I think the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
Will agree with ma that it should first be had recourse
t°•--(Hear.) If be thinks no such power of appeal
exists, then I imagine the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
mast. feel that the proposition he makes is totally ins.-
?Neste to cope with the subject.—(ll ar, hear.) But
now address myself merely to the motion of the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman, without wishing to give any
opinion, as to the merits of the important case he has
brought before us. Far be it from me to vindicate the
Fondant of any clergyman who can be shown to have
.llehaved in the manner alleged against Mr. Bennett.
iL (19 not .presume to offer any opinion on this
lalporeatat subject, for I feel that this is not the tribunal
in Which to decide the case.—(Hear. hear.) I feel the
ineonveuience of the House listening 0 the statement of
the ?on.. and Learned Gentleman, .made with ability,
and, as lam willing to admit, conscientiously. A Com-
mission of inquiry without power to elicit the rkquired
Information is a mockery to which it would be unwise
Of the House of Common to lend itself. It, is of the ut-
most importance that such an inquiry should be real
and
" efficient, and that a Commission should have cone
Petent power to elicit the truth.— (Hear, hear.) Ido
flat think, therefore, the lion, and Learned Gentleman
will, hink it necessary to press this particular reselu-
ion. which I admit he was perfectly justified in bringing
forward, as it refers to a subject of great imp 'rtance to
all classes of her Majssty's subjects.—(Hear, hear.) It
•
itquite impossible that the conduct which he has al-
leged should not be the subject of comment and explana-
tion; 'and that whatever may be the merits of the ease,
the discussion should not be productive of public advan-
tages But I must recur to the subject with which I set
aOt—ethat a remedy for such a grievance as is here al-
leged 'either does or does not exist. If the remedy ex-
WS, as I think it does, in an appeal to the Archbishop
the House will not, I think, sanction the issuing of a
Commission of inquiry, which can have no power
to elicit and secure the information it wishes
to attain.--(Hear, hear.) . IF, on the ,other hand, no
reined y does exist, it surely is the duty of Parliament to
lNiattile on the subject, and provide a remedy. But a
Commission such as that proposed, without the neces-
sary powers to fulfil its task, would disappoint public
eepe.ctetion, and whilst it would lead to protracted dis-
cussions, would not secure the settlement we desire.—
ear.) And let We also
to
s motioneupono
the attention
htttenetiolnioonf.
the press
thee House that by acceding
and Learned Gentlemen we ehoul l be only evading the
difficulty. We should be establishing a precedent
Which you may be sure would be found a source of per-
manent difficulty 'and embarrassment.—(Hear. hear.)
i.e you adopt this resolution, I cannot understand how
single clergyman could be instituted to a living with-
out the House of COLOBIODS interfering with and chat-
l_ellgibg his induction.—(Hear, hear.) In every in•
tan c e what would you do? You would address her
'flaiestY, praying her to institute an inquiry into the
propriety of the induction. So that if you adopt this
resolution you will establish a mischievous precedent
"'theta effecting a beneficial settlement of the
grievances and difficulties of which you complain.
7(llear, hear.) I trust, therefore, the Hon. and Learned
tleentleman will be satisfied with having amply, corn-
Po tel.'', and ably brought before the House a subject
tee,VerY great importance, and that he is satisfied
;Z.' the persons connected with these transactions can-
tur avoid
placing their conduct fairly betore the public.
trust the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, feeling
4u.a.t.the result of this discussion must be to have en se-
-44,0 and complete view of all the circumstances of the
)4._etaction—that it is his duty, owing to the position he
"o:ll,taken in this question, either to have recourse to
remedy which the law supplies, or it the law sup-
-44710 remedy, to propose one to the Legislature. I
. trust the Hon. and Learned Gentleman will net
;Zs,. to a division a resolution which I feel sure would
hRY_Oe Pregnant with great inconvenience and embar-
Bit
to
to our future deliberations. I beg, therefore,
Si o,rnove the previous question.
bet P. 'VERNEY biped the Hon. and Learned Mem-
de._lould not accept the invitation and advice ju t ten-
s, ;TR to him, but would persist in his motion. It
0,7_ preposterous to maintain that the head of the
h."!'ich had no power to cause the necessary inquir to
'llit,ti!uted, and he altogether deprecated the question_
shelveds
~, in the manner proposed.
%ell"- H. INGLIS fully agreed with the Honourable
1104!tattti (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) that the
oath e (4. Commons was not a fitting tribunal to adjudi•
the Upala this suhject, and that if they once admitted
tethrtaelple that a grievance with respect to the in-
let% °f a particular individual could be legitimately
phiii!rt before them, occasions on grounds more or less
....(iieute would be found for preferring similar claims.
facie e"' h,:ear.) Granting for a moment that a prima
cone's,a had been made out for inquiry, he defied tbeui
IDea ern the position of the Hight. Honourable Gentle-
hf thl:4st the case
,could not end there. The edoption
inaPPosie•l'DCl,e'utioll would be a mere brutum ,fulmen, for
One, Bupios'eua Commission to be appointed, did any
eeetta*n woulatha t the parties implicated in this dis-
ri° !_hratieh 4.11005E11b to a tribunal issued by only
ren",.. of due Legislature?—(Hear, hear.) The
—°urable estnnalons did not consist, as an
umbersof t,L'eather bad supposed, entirely of
▪ Were ho " Church of England—(Hear, hear)—and
sal d equally -
oetrieha y interested in maintaining the eter-
wereot a Would anal to which any English churchman
herehmau. g'37 submit his faith or his practice as a
ttld he ho (tleen) The House consisted possibly,
era, nn and believed it did, of a majority of mem-
'to the lnlnallat
Chorally' a.l events, and consistently attached
that 4, of -0
lengland; but would it be contended
the the
U"'" of Commons was a tribunal to which
se parties could appeal? Who in that House repre_
AA dlr. Bennett, the parishioners of Frome, the
Ihe°rPeacifuntiaoth and Wells, and the Bishop of London?
.eoall'hd upon assumed the guilt of the parties it was
ne-tided, !0 adjudicate. The facts as set forth were
andPr,ipasio_n could not be met with an antagonistic
(Sir it. Tn... authorised to be presented—(Hear)—and he
bestdisaj Inglis) was of opinion that the House would
arena
__,,,earge its duty, and prevent its becoming the
to
e d:T.
,oeh discussions in future, by proceeding at once
asion as to whether this motion should be enter-
,Of eed or uot,
,:c4VVART, while he was of opinion that the House
logietrotts ought not to be made an authority on theo-
Aphid subjects, recognised it as the power which
fore '..!et the proper tribunal in motion, and he there-
, 4,7l,ported the original motion.
Ported nUME (amidst cries for a division) also sup*
Lhe 'teflon.
the k‘EWDEGATE felt deeply the importance of
ri,cor !sent question, and, as it had been raised, fully
the 'ruled the necessity of dealing with it. During
Wie6gPle. of years the powers of the Constitution by
• ee ibis question could be settled might have lapsed
grew
dahlviiidattiriusty, but depend upon it the country would
atltl,alth investigation of the subject—( Hear, hear)—
h._ e laugh he desired to leave to her elejesty's Go-
nt the manner in which the investigation should be
eeecteds 'he did not think the public would rest satisfied
"tbout
such investigatiou He thought hat •
un ought to be examined • this ques-
Government
would
into, and he hoped that the
ma be enabled to propose some other
!lode of
te_ inquiry than that moved by the Hon. Member
iae Cockermouth. As an independent Member of that
eii`ll:l°:lsaescit.eide
was sincerely
attached to the Church of
.noxiqui;
should
dincerely anxious that a full and search-
the t, House nos, t
4ut suggestin°
be, made into this matter. He ask d
with ware the proposition before them
Majesty
authorifaQt4 practical means by which her
Might be brought to' 11,3 e temporal head of the Church
Sir J. PAKING-mwsopon the suejeet.—(llear.)
Lion had not only been raxi(-1 he thought that this qten-
ought not to be raised; butch d' but it was one which
of opinion that it ought to be dealt been raised, he was
Ile said for himself, and he beliealt with.—(Hear, hear.)
ved
inen4 of the Government meraii ho spoke the send-
. question which, in the 'seawall i Y. that this was a
stare Placed, ought not to have been raised,which it was now
d,
it was one in reference to whic. but at the same
questionably to be an inquiry instituted there ought un-
and
• Provided.—(Hear, hear.) At the same'
t, a remedy
say, not only as a member of the Govern tale he must
4letuber of that House, and above all :lent? but es a
S a sumer
attached member of the Church of Eegt„4, it
we acid
sincere opinion, after having listened with P 'info' was
..."matt to the statement of the Hon. Member for Cocker_
'tenth, that the mode of inquiry proposed was not the on
which theyadopt. would briefly explain hi:
hUT ought to
aawas f this opinion. He would cal the Ron. mem.
hr's attention to the fact that his resolution goes Solely
Q
aLI in question the conduct of the Bishop of Bath
4;, Wells in having instituted Mr. 13.mnett to the
re—ug of .Frome.—(Elear, hear.) They could not fail to
of
44ember h 1 d well known, that the Bishop
w at was a rea y • lambbut
e. and Wells was not only advanced in years.d.
was
t6'1012011 impaired in health. He veld not vin
gond
uct of the Bishop, bat it appeared to him that
Cone which the Hun.
Qtt,„ uct was not the real question
the
eile""etuan had raised. The real question wet',
melted conduct of Mr. Bennett at Kissingen, which de-
. Member
fer.,7:. an inquiry.—(llear, hear.) The Hon.
kermouth bad stated all the facts of the case
l'ehigrc'et particularity. It appeared to him (Sir J.
zton), it' the Hon. Gentleman's statement was true,
d 4,6 r; Bennett must be regarded as a Roman Catholic
lld
Slid f ore entirely unfit to hold his present appoint-
:`-(Bear,u hear.) But he submitted to the Hon.
embers that so far as they knew they had no reason to
er:rc that the conduct, of Mr. B-nnett at Kissingen
to the Bishop at the time of his institution
a living
eats: , gat Frome. On the contrary, he believed,
tellyin% of the case wore investig‘teJ that the c'r
liti'„"4noe of h- ' • • Frome.- ca
.r
is institution to was the means of
out
tu 4, what had occured at Kissingen.—(Hear.)
eOl.-idloe Motion of the Hon. rzlember did not touch the
tbh tlet 1;)f Mr. Bennettat K. • Looking,
• ett • iesingen. then, at
th • reMeinconveeience of biin • eel bringing tin-se cases before
die,„_7ne of Commons, and making them the subject of
t0eheir...41.1... that Housteunless,under circumstances of
I"' easing necessity, he thought it most unadvis bl
of %LID th e
pro_ e mereinstitutiota of Mr. Bennett to the living
fors_CL'e tho Subject of a motion.—(Hear, hefts.) Be-
ttie down he must advert to what had fallen from
hn,,, it „9,entkenian in respect to the Bishop of Linden.
elne u'uehttepen to come within his own knowledge,
tedd
4 er'n .authority he could not doubt, that there was
. ;ice to show that the language of the Bishop of Lon-
• 411011 the
occasion referred !o conveyed so strong an
Na -that if it were known to the Hon. Gentleman he
811 Cure that
costt tem the Hon. Gentleman would not evince the
utslioeit*
e,,,00 lote to complain of the Right Reverend
rliier Conduct
iii
this matter.—(Hear.) Under the
tirk, e had mentioned, he telt that the right
Pike was not that pr dby the Hon. Mein'
edl:.,:d h" hoped that ho o'
*
the House to
apt,..teton.upouit. would not [TeSii
At the Same time he. trusted that
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