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London, England, 1852-11-26 00:00:00

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Sun Office, 7 o'clock.
IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LORDS—(THIS EVENING.)
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the woolsack
at 5 o'clock.
The Earl of DONOGHMORE gave notice that he
should, on Tuesday, present a petition complaining of
the city of Cork election.
TIE NORM AMERICAN FISHERY QUESTION.
In answer to a question from Lord Wharncliffe,
"ortll.l4rd MALMESBURY said that the question of the
h American Fisheries had occupied the attention
or Government for the last five months. He assured
the noble lord that so far as her Majesty's Government
were concerned, the misunderstanding which had taken
Place had not arisen either from the orders given to the
:Mcers of her Majesty's Navy on that station, or from
Ini? new interpretation put by her Majesty's Govern-
lit on the treaties of 1818. He could not exactly say
ghat was the cause of that misunderstanding, but so far
Ithe alteration in the naval force was concerned,
which seemed to have been the more immediate
occasion of it, it was taken simply as a means of giving
Inerea4ed efficiency to the force which watched over the
Protection of British interests. It was a mere matter of
P°lice, and so far as the number of guns were concerned,
a'.3 actually smaller than before. Before that altera-
-611 was made, he had given notice to the American
t.terriment of his intention. At present, the negotia-
tions were in such a state as to oblige him to refuse
3' request to lay the papers and correspond-
say,eo°ll the table of the house. In fact, he might
,_that the negotiations were only just begun. Mr.
-Webster had before his death earnestly embraced the
gpo?a°t.sial of her Majesty's Government to enter into ne-
-6 disputes
upon a much wider field, including not only
"lePutes with reference to the fisheries, but also the
o:lleetstebjr :et of our trade to the Canadas, and to our
°ther colonies. From the moment he had written the
first
had acted throughout in a friendly spirit
enneiliation, and had expressed his anxious wish
shortly before his death that these two countries should
eZillne on terms of friendly intercourse with each
entry,
-Dr
44-is death was greatly to be deplored by this
11-1417, but more peculiarly at the present moment,
o ..11,1,t had led to the interruption of the negotiations
(1.4 "711 he was engaged. Up to the present time he
f°hr."' Malinesbury) had received no official intelligence
of
18 successor having been appointed. From Presi-
dentnrnore he had received the warmest assurances
ez good 'wishes towards this country, and in fact with the
ception of that first letter which appeared to have been
written in a moment of excitement, while Mr. Webster
haaBW suffering from the effects of his sicknes, every desire
been
eoees to Shown by the United States to bring the differ-
be an amicable termination. At the proper moment
should feel great satisfaction in laying the papers on
the
Their of the house, but at present he must decline.
"eir• lordships then adjourned.

he---' OF COMMONS—(THIS EVENING.)
,),
c'elock"."‘Eß took the chair at a few minutes to 4

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NEW WRITS.
• MACKENZIE moved for new writs for
gOb~don,
Bury St. Edmunds, the city of Durham, and
04111. Agreed to.
the motion of Mr. HAYTER, a new writ was
'3611 for Peterborough.
Sir j PETITIONS.
• • SHELLEY presented a petition from the
liatentees of the conical flour mills, praying for an inquiry
14to the merits of the invention.
J.,„•!r° 36% MACKENZIE presented a petition from
erPool, signed by 20,000 persons, praying for the in-
-BPection of nunneries. (Laughter.)
,ah.e°l. GILPIN presented two petitions from Bedford-
alf,e against the grant to Maynooth, and also in favour
the freedom of election in Ireland.
4r. BRIGHT presented a petition from the Commer-
cial Association at Manchester, praying for the immediate
abolition of the protective duty on British silk manu-
facture. (Hear.)

ELECTION PETITIONS.
The SPEAKER informed the house that he had received
intimation from the petitioners against the return for
Durham, that it was not their intention to proceed with'
theypetition ; also that the Examiner of Recognizances
'44 reported that the recognizances of the petitioners
1/44inst the return for Plymouth were sufficient.

PETITIONS.
14r. T. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the
ketropolifor the liberation of Edward Murray.
Lord L praying
- D. STUART presented a similar petition.
ADMISSION OF THE PUBLIC TO ST. PAUL'S.
14N the motion that the house at its using adjourn until
°TadaY next,
v];'°ll D. STUART inquired of the Government
e„-ether any steps had been taken to obviate the in-
fo;ll"nience which arose from the defective arrangements
~t 11: admission of the public into St. Paul's ?
;.:111 question received no reply.
t' kr' GLYN complained that, in consequence of the
ets being issued in Broad-street, which was in the
4,r of the city, great crowds collected in the vicinity,
Sir
much impeded the transaction of business.
ttihr 12)E L. EVANS hoped that another week would
"wed to the public for admission into the Cathedral
R,
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--ATUITIES TO LETTER CARRIERS.
lost T. DUNCOMBE wished to know whether the
co
zp,re:vil,sharo
fiotr
master-General had issued orders preventing letter-
if tiers in the metropolis receiving Christmas-boxes, and,
intention to award them any
wthase loss.
Mr'
tm,
HAMILTON said it was not the intention of the
trollol7r-General to prohibit letter-carriers in the me-
8-r,receiving gratuities at present.
be do DE L. EVANS suggested that gratuities should
tharitile away with, and, that instead of depending on the
of Yof themetroP olis they should have a fixed amount
kiditional
Pay.

SPIRITS IN BOND.
112 SPIRITS
/3. ROCHE wished to know whether it was
the in of the Chancellor of the Exchequer to. proo-f
I,°_se a remission of duty in regard to the evaporation
mulne.b,
Th --"ue spirits in bond ?
he •,..-e CRANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER. thatsaid
it :8 sere the house would agree with him,
hint not fair for him to state what were the
of,
-C"8 of Government with respect to the remission
oties, on the eve of a financial statement. (Hear.)
-444,NC STATEMENT OF
-1- EA ICE LLOR OF THEE XCHEQUER. THE
-..., NI ~
the I,`'' " • RUSSELL inquired when the Chancellor. of
to th7heciner proposed to make his financial statement
'louse,e pi,- .
the a --u-aNCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said if
f 'ebate finished to-night, Monday was alreadybastkhede
1,,,°a% fel' business of some interest to the house ;
el,: t°lll that it was very probable the debate would not
If h 0 conclude to-night. (Cries of t, Oh, .
The
hoe u°Ped himself that it would. (Hear, h!ar:)a
mo.
tioll; 414 learned member for Southampton, had
cir- °f
a Personal character for Monday, andundader.wtheeeshe
wo°lllll°taces he thought that probably this
1114 b ' • day on the whole for
e the most convenient
kaki .
ng hIS financial statement-
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A'4 ADJOURNED DEBATE.—THE
Mr, OF LORD
...kr Tv-
wyeared on the Paper to-night,
appeared.. ' ACARDO said a resolution of
BA. ---MMERESTNONEW.
wh i c
h Lordw a
la differently Palmerston
ro.
posed toe the amendment ent which he had previously
Sir ,Tabl.nrtaic important particulars
' had inserted, be-
-102 la, '''' Graham said last night, he .
the words
resolutionswhpich
• tended
to Bu 61. the noble lord the Governmentanxious
finthe two
„ support e I,_
4e3' eziginally ng
, the
Y having withdrawn the amendment which
The ell
.7„... Proposed :
Withdri, AJ4CtLLOR of the EXCHEQUER
opinion -N° Il'a amendment in deference to the genera'
the tabl
Lor of the house, preferring that the resolution of
said he
tion whiallrlerdon should be put, and as the only reso u-
h that noble lord proposed was the one now on
awar_ 6of the House. (Hear, hear.) He was not
('lean) " that the noble lord had prepared any other.
411.
„..NTEMPLATED NATIONAL GALLERY.
untended"'te. IVIxstEER inquired whether the Government
to erect a National Gallery on the site ol
ground latel
the _, , . y purchased by the Royal Commissioners ol
Natedzinbition of 1851 ? If so, whether they contem-
fo th Makin an application to Parliament for a grant
„rh ° Purpose ?
Axle p- A
that the S --"-NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER replied
°
Port ecretary of State had laid on the table the re-
it), the hands the Royal Commissioners, and it would soon be
hands of ientl every member. When they were suffi-
ti- r a cgilainted with the contents, he proposed to call
thate
reportattention of the house to the recommendations of
, and lid should then feel it his duty to pro-
sth a vote •
e 0. ,
ect to but it would not be applied specifically to
j which the hon. member had adverted.
Mr,
MOORS
NOTICE OF MOTION.
the recess,gave notice tt, on an ear day ter he should move theh a
a ly
after
ppointment of a select

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committee on the subject of the Established Church in
Ireland.

SAVINGS BANKS.
On the motion of Mr. BROTHERTON, returns were
ordered of the total number of deposit accounts open in

savings banks in more names than one on the 20th day
of November, 1852, and the total amount as the credit
of such accounts ; distinguishing the accounts opened
before the 20th day of November, 1844, from those
opened since that date ; showing, year by year, in totals
for each year, when such accounts were first opened, and
the total amount then placed at their credit. And,
showing the distribution of such accounts, on the 20th
day of November, 1852, into the several classes set forth

n the classification for the annual return to the 20th day

of November, 1851.

RELIGIOUS TESTS.
In reply to Mr. MONCREIFF,
Mr. WALPOLE stated that it was not the intention

of the Government to bring in a bill to abolish religious

sts in the universities of Scotland.
Mr. MONCREIFF gave notice that immediately

after the Christmas recess he should move for leave to

bring in a bill on the subject.

COUNTY COURTS.
In reply to a question,
Mr. WALPOLE stated that Government had it in

contemplation to extend the jurisdiction of the courts

for the recovery of small debts.
CONTROVERTED ELECTIONS.
The SPEAKER acquainted the house that in pursu-

ance of the Act of Parliament he had nominated the

committee of selection for controverted elections, and
ordered a list to be prepared of the names of members
who were exempted either by age or otherwise from
serving on Election Committees.
Mr. FRENCH said, there were 117 petitions already
presented, and he should therefore object to members
being exempt from serving who were under 60 years of
age, other than her Majesty's Cabinet Ministers.

SIR HENRY BULWER'S MISSION TO ROME.

In reply to a question from an honourable member,
Lord STANLEY said, Sir Henry Bulwer went to

Rome to investigate the ease of Edward Murray ; and

while he was in the holy city the honourable baronet

had several interviews with members of the Papal Go-
vernment on other subjects of interest to the country ;
but as these interviews were of a private character, he

did not feel himself justified to lay their results before

the house.

THE CASE OF EDWARD MURRAY.
In reply to Lord DUDLEY STUART,

Lord STANLEY stated that the life of Edward
Murray had been saved, and his sentence commuted
by the Papal Government from punishment of death to
banishment for life.

THE NEW FOREST.
In reply to a question,

Mr. HAMILTON stated that a report on the sub-
ject of the New Forest would be laid on the table to-
night, while the claims of those parties to compensation
on account of the removal of the forest were now under
the consideration of the Government.
FEES AT THE GENERAL ELECTION.

On the motion of Mr. PHINN, a return was ordered
of all fees, disbursements, or expenses charged by any
returning officer or his deputy, or by any sheriff, under-

sheriff, sheriff clerk or sheriff's officer, clerk of the peace
or town clerk, to any person returned to serve in the
present Parliament for any county, division of a county,
city, borough, district or place, or to any candidate seek-

ing to represent any county, division of a county, city,
borough, district or place, in the United Kingdom.
Also a return of all sums received by any returning
officer or his deputy, or by any sheriff, under-sheriff,
sheriff clerk or sheriff's officer, clerk of the peace or
town clerk, in respect of such fees, disbursements, or ex-
penses, from any person so returned, or from any candi-
date so seeking to represent any county, division of a
county, city, borough, district or place.

ST. PAUL'S.

In reply to Sir DE L. EVANS,

Lord J. MANNERS said that he did not feel him-
self justified in calling upon the Dean and Chapter of
St. Paul's to extend the period which had already been
fixed upon for opening St. Paul's to the public with the
funeral fittings.
OUR COMMERCIAL POLICY.—THE AD-
JOURNED DEBATE.

On the motion for resuming the adjourned debate,
Mr. M. GIBSON said he wished to say a few words
on the subject of the resolution proposed by his honour-
able friend the member for Wolverhampton. He repu-
diated the notion that the original resolution was in-
tended as a vote of want of confidence in the Govern-
ment, and insisted that its object was to perpetuate the
principles of free trade. He, therefore, found fault
with those who had ventured to character-
;€l it as a vote of want of confidence. No
one, it would seem, could dispute the affirmation of
the resolution that the law of 1846 was a just
and wise measure, and he was at a loss to un-
derstand how any one could object to it, or take
exception to it on the ground that he had already stated.
But he took exception to the views of those who
affirmed of the principles propounded in 1846, simply
because free trade had produced cheapness of provisions.
He could not consent to that mode of dealing with the
question. Such a mode of argument would justify
confiscation, for confiscation might, under some
circumstances, produce momentary prosperity, but
he must contend that, looked at from every point of
view, free trade had been just and righteous, and he
could not possibly bring himself to the amendment of
the noble lord the member for Tiverton. It would seem,
however, that the object of the noble lord was to save the
feelings of hon. members who supported the Govern-
ment, but he for one was at a loss to understand
how the Protectionists could agree to the amendments,
and yet not accept the original resolution. The amend-
ment called upon Protectionists to affirm not that the
free trade policy of 1846 was wise and just, but that
under all the circumstances it had been sound and
politic, and for the life of him he could not see why the
one, as well as the other should not be equally accept-
able to honourable gentlemen. Well, then how were
they to choose between the two ? Why in this way
—they were both pretty similar in spirit, though not in
detail, but the one proposed by the hon. and learned
member for Wolverhampton, would be more acceptable
to the couutry than that of the noble lord the member
for Tiverton. They would not do their duty to the
memory of Sir R. Peel if from any mistaken morbid
sentimentality, they refused on this solemn occasion to
record that the measure which he advocated was not a
- wrong, nor a great public mischief, but was founded on
the eternal principles of justice. This was after all a great
question, and it was absurd to agree to the proposal of
the noble lord, for the purpose of showing a general
unanimity which it was well known did not in fact exist.
They wanted to shew the world that the policy of free
trade was not based on low considerations, but
on the principles of civil right and justice. If
the house shrunk from declaring that the policy
was wise and just, the people would be induced
to believe that the House of Commons was rotten.
After all, the House of Commons long laboured under
the influence of the landed interest, on the question of

protection. If there was an appearance of rottenness
now in the house, they might depend upon it, that no-
thing would strengthen so much the cry of Parliamen-
tary Reform, for the general opinion would be, if the
words in question were omitted, that the representation
was not a reflex of the public opinion, and that
some covert attempt might be made to restore
the nefarious system of monopoly. (Hear, hear.)
He therefore hoped that hon. members would rally
round his hon. and learned friend, for neither the noble
lord (Palmerston) nor the Chancellor of the Exchequer
had any claim to take the quostion out of his hands.
Let every honest free-trader vote for his motion, and he
would undertake to say that their constituents would
approve of their conduct. (Cheers.)
Mr. M. GASKELL thought the allusion of the right
hon. gentleman to the question of Parliamentary reform
was the best explanation that could be given of the na-
ture of the motion proposed by the hon. and learned
member for Wolverhampton. (Cheers from the Govern-
ment benches.) He was convinced that so far from as-
serting a great public principle, there was reason what-
ever for the motion. (Cheers.) There was a very
serious difference between the two resolutions for
whereas while the amendment simply affirmed that free
trade had succeeded in producing the present prosperity
of the country, the other went on to add that the conduct
of those who opposed Sir Rober:; Peel in 1846
was unjust and uncalled for. The arguments of those
who opposed the amendment were somewhat strange ;
they declared that the Earl of Derby had no principles
whatever, and therefore his friends ought to abandon
him. Now it was somewhat strange that those who held
this line of argument were not quite settled in their own
minds as to their own policy. (Hear.) He should be
the last man to impugne the motives of the
late Sir Robert Peel in passing the repeal
of the corn laws, but must be allowed to take
exception to the manner in which that measure was
wteasetinrnet.nrnept
the
and
ro
carried,to
was therefore unjust at that time to adopt free
.Pnanrtliamtnentrevoe
trade without an appeal to the country, and
to that extent he took exception to the conduct of the
late Sir Robert Peel. (Hear, hear.) But the House of
Commons now met under very different circumstances--
it was returned to affirm the principles of free trade,
and he for one was quite willing to bow to the decision
of the country upon that great question as it was enun-
ciated in the amendment of the noble lord the member
for Tiverton, though he was not prepared to throw that
blame and censure upon the country party for their
conduct in 1846, which the original resolution of
the hon. and learned member for Wolverhampton
implied, if it did not in fact distinctly affirm. (Cheers)
No doubt there were conflicting opinions on that Side of