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the report, and, adverting to the enormous price
that was paid by the citizens for gas, he expressed
his opinion that if some comprehensive scheme were
adopted for disposing of sewage, it would
yield sufficient to relieve
the amount they paid for the article referred to.
the
th© citizens from
(Hear.) He said he thought that it was very objec-
tionable to entrust such a matter to the hands of any
company, and the proper course to be taken was
to endeavour to induce the Government to interfere.
(Hear.)
Deputy ELLIOTT said that he also considered the
report and the resolution agreed to by the committee
were most satisfactory, as it was char that they
knew too little of the subject at the present time to
justify them in coming to any conclusion. (Hear.)
He therefore thought that the committee had ar-
rived at a sound conclusion that it was not advisable
to do anything at the present moment, because, if
action was taken, more harm than good might be the
result. (Hear.) He fully concurred in the views
that had been expressed, that the best course was
that the sewage manure should be used with mode-
ration, and said that this was instanced by the great
cattle show that took place yearly, where the over
feeding of cattle was proved to produce disease. He
expected that those practically acquainted with the
subject knew that this was the fact, and the over
manuring of the land would, in accordance with the
laws of nature, produce precisely the same result.
(Hear.) Although, however, he agreed generally
with the report of the committee, he must at the
same time express his opinion that the calculations
as to the value of the sewage were fallacious, and
that they might just as well estimate the value of
the coals contained in the earth at 25s per ton,with-
out taking into consideration the great expense of
raising them, as to suppose that the sewage manure
was equal to the value of Peruvian guano at
£l3 12s 6d per ton. In point of fact, all that cou!d
be calculated upon was a royalty of perhaps is or
18d per ton, and the calculation that the sewage
would produce, as stated, 2 or 3 millions sterling,
was.quite unreasonable. He admitted, however, that

it was of very great value and importance, and he
trusted the result of delay would be the adoption
of some satisfactory scheme to render it available for
the purpose for which it Was no doubt applicable.
(Hear, hear.)
Mr. LAWLEY contended that the committee were
quite justified in the statement they had made as to
the value of the sewage manure, and said that an
eminent engineer had given his opinion that it
could be moved to the requisite height at an expense
of one farthing per ton, and that another farthing
would pay all the cost of the buildings that would
be required—and the court would remember that
si hen once it was raised it would fall to the places
it was required by its own gravitation. (Hear, hear.)
He deprecated the proposed scheme of the Metro-
politan Board of Works, and said that this body,
probably writhing under the rebuke administered
to it by Lord Robert Montagu, the chairman of the
committee of the House of Commons, that they
ought to have done more, had suddenly rushed to
a conclusion that these quicksands should have the
benefit of a sewage, and that neither:the Parliament
nor the ratepayers of the metropolis who were so
deeply interested in the matter, should say a word
upon the subject. (Hear.) The report of the com-
mittee asked them to endeavour to prevent this
suicidal act, and if they only succeeded in obtain-
ing delay, that would be something general at all
events. (Hear, hear.)
Mr. PEDLER said he thought it not advisable to
enter into a conflict with any other body, as it was
calculatd to divert them from the real question.
Their object was to prevent this valuable matter

from being wasted in an unprofitable process, and
he hoped they should succeed in effecting that ob
jest. (Hear, hear.) He then went into some in-
teresting scientific details showing the extreme
importance of applying the sewage manure in mo-
derate quantities, and to the great benefit that was
likely to result from it to the whole community.
Alderman RosE, M.P., said he thought the Court
was very much indebted to the last speaker for the
information he had afforded it, and said that there
could not be the least doubt of the very great value
of the sewage manure. What they wanted to do,
therefore, was to prevent a certain body that had
already taxed the ratepayers of the metropolis to the
extent of seven millions from spending two or three
millions more in carrying out a chimerical scheme
which could not by any possibility be attended with
any good effect. (Hear, hear.) It seemed to him
that the course p-oposed by the committee of call-
ing the attention of the Government to what was
proposed to be done, and regain the ratepayers,
would have the effect of preventing the project from
being carried out, and he should therefore support
the motion of the hon. deputy.
Mr 11, LOWMAN TAYLOR, one of the representa-
tives of the City at the Metropolitan Board of Works,
said he really hardly understood what was the ob-
ject of the present meeting, or whether it was to
endeavour to delay the settlement of the question and
prevent it from being disposed of until the matter
had been further considered by the Government or
by a committee of the House of Commons. (Hear,
hear.) If this, then, was the object of the meeting,
he would at once say that he cordially concurred in
it, and although he was one of the members of the
Metropolitan Board of Works, he would at the same
time express his opinion that this question was much
more likely to be settled in a manner that was satis•
factory to the public and the ratepayers of the me-
tropolis by a committee of the House of Commons
than by the body to which he had referred. He was
bound, however, to express his opinion that there was
a large amount of independence to be found among
the members of the Metropolitan Board of Works,
o
and that they were most anxious to do their duty.
He
wouldof one
nof t
th s
e officials of that board, it was not the
say
anything with regard to the cone
duct
place to do so, but it certainly was a question whe-
ther the conduct of that official was satisfactory to
the public. (Hear, hear.) With regard to what was
supposed to be the intention of the Metropolitan
Board in reference to this matter, he saw that there
was a motion by one of the members that a certain
plan should be carried out ; but he believed the
Board were quite free on the matter, and that it
had not all bound itself to adopt any particular
scheme. (Hear, hear.)
-in would add that he be-
lieved they were most desirous to do what was best
in the interest of the public, and that they would
pay every attention to any representation that might
be made to them by the Court of Common Council
or any other public body. Mr Taylor concluded by
stating that when the subject came on for discussion
at the Metropolitan Board he should do all in his
power to obtain delay. (Hear, hear.)
Mr NORRIS, M.P., expressed his opinion that the
proper course to be taken was to endeavour to obtain
a Royal Commission to consider the subject, and he
said that if the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who
was very muoh interested in the question, as being
one intimately connected with taxation, was applied
to, he would no doubt advise her Majesty to grant
a Royal Commission for such a purpose.
Mr J. E, SAUNDERS supported the report, and
said he hoped the Metropolitan Board of Works
would pause before they carried out such a scheme
as the one proposed. He also said that in his opinion
the suggestion of the hon. member for Abingdon
was a very important one, and that they ought to
endeavour to obtain a Royal Commission to inquire
into the subject.
After a few words from Deputy Bone in reply,
The motion was put and carried unanimously.
Mr LAWLEY then moved, " That the committee
should be instructed to take the necessary steps to
obtain a Royal Commission." This led to some
discussion, and
Mr. RICHARDSON observed in the course of it that
in his opinion a question of such importance had
been played with too long, and said he was glad that
the Corporation of London had at length come for•
vistd, and he hoped the joblleriee that had been bo

long going on in reference to the question would be
put an end to, but he thought this could only be
effected by having a Royal Commission.

The COMMON SERGEANT, who was appealed to in
the course of the debate, expressed his opinion that
it would not be prudent for the Corporation to ap-
ply to the Government to issue a Royal Commission,
as they Led no power to control the scope of such a
commission, and the result might be to materially
affect the principle of local self-government.
Mr Lawley upon this withdrew his motion; and
another resolution, empowering the committee to
confer with the Government, and to take any other
steps they might deem advisable in the matter, was
agreed to, after which the Court adjourned.