The Sun.
London, England, 1852-06-23 00:00:00

fourtt Wbrition

SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock.

QUEEN'S BENCH.-(THIS DAY.)
(Sittings at Nisi Prins at Westminster, before Lord
CAMPBELL and a Special Jury.)
THE QUEEN (ON THE PROSECUTION OF ACHILL") Z.

DIEWMAN.-CRIMINAL IN F ORRIATION.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition.)
The examination of Dr. Achilli was continued until
half-past four, when he lett the witness-box,
having been
under examination seven hours.
Dr. Pogsi, Mr. Paoli, Captain Lawrence, and other
witnesses were then examined, to speak to the high es-
teem in which Dr. Aehilli was held during the time that
he resided in Italy. Madame Garramoni was also ex-
mined.
(The case was sill proceeding when we went to press.)

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
(THIS DAY.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
ook the The SPEAKErnat Chair at Twelve o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords amendments to the Nene Valley Drainage
and Navigation Bill, and the North British Flax
Company (Clanssen's Patent) Bill were considered and
agreed to.
spalding's Estate Bill Was read a third time and passed.
BETTING HOUSES.
Sir B. HALL presented a petition from the Maryle-
housesbone Vestr.
y praying for the suppression of betting

COLONIAL CHURCH.
the whole
House then resolved itself into a Committee of
whole House on the Ecclesiastical Laws.
Mr. GLADSTONE said the immediate object of this
Committee was to enable him to do that which he could
have done had the House passed the second reading of a
former Bill which he had introduced. His intention
would have been, bad that Bill been read a second time
to commit it pro forma, with the view of introducing
amendments which could afterwards be printed and
sent out to the colonies for consideration during the re-
cess. The Government, however, announced their de-
termination to oppose the Bill, and under all the circurs--
stances of the case he did not feel himself bound to pretis
the second reading. It was, nevertheless, desirable flint
that the measure should be put in such a shape as it
could be seat out to the colonies. All, therefore, that
he now proposed to do: was to move a resolution
to sanction the printing of the Bill with
amendments, which he would presently explain to the
Committee. The time had arrived when it was indis-
pensably necessary that some legislation should take
place in regulating ecclesiastical affairs in the colonies.
Now there were two modes of proceeding for effecting
that object. They might legislate directly, and proceed
to establish ecclesiastical courts in the colonies, or
they might pass a Bill which should clear up the doubts
which at present prevailed in the colonies as to the con-
struction to be placed on the existing ecclesiastical law.
He protested against passing anything like a Church
Discipline Act for the colonies, because such
a course would be unwarrantable interference with the
domestic affairs of the colonies. What they had now t;o
decide was simply whether they should legislate directly
on the subject, or content themselves with simply passing
a declaratory and permissive Act, which should explain
the law and confer certain powers and functions upon.
the colonial Church. It was objreted, however, that
they knew not the wishes of the colonies on the subject,
but so far from that being the case, a meeting of colo
nial bishops was held at Sydney, in 1850, when
it was unanimously resolved that the British Legisla-
ture should be petitioned to pass a law, enabling them
to manage their own domestic affairs in church as well
as political matters. He knew, from information he had
recently received from the colonies, that the colonies
were still of that opinion, and his object in proposing
this Committee was to pass such a resolution as should
meet those views. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Se-
cretary for the Colonies, when this subject was formerly
before the House, complained that the Bill which he had
brought in would place the Church of England in a pre-
dominant position, or destroy the supremacy of the
Crown, or break up the colonial Church into small
district churches, end for that reason the Right Hon.
Gentleman withheld the sanction of the Government to
the Bill. Now, the Bill was open to none of those ob-
jections; indeed, the charge that the Bill would destroy
the supremacy of the Crown was not only unfounded,
but perfectly ridiculous. True, the Bill might absolve the
clergy from taking the oath of supremacy, because it was
useless to impose unnecessary restrictions upon the
Colonial Church. He therefore proposed to make no
change in that part of the Bill which related to the
Thirty-nine Articles, but with regard to the
oath of supremacy there was a wide difference
between the colonies and the mother country.
At home the oath was absolutely necessary,
but it was not so in the colonies. But did he propose to
abolish the oath in the colonies? Certainly not. All
that he proposed to do was to leave it for the Colonial
Church to decide whether the oath should be taken
in the manner specified in the Thirty-nine Articles, or
in some other shape more adapted to the circumstances
of the colonies themselves. It _strictions, he repeated,
ought only to be imposed in cases of absolute imperial
necessity, and acting upon that impression, he had re-
frained from introducing a clause into the Bill pro-
viding that each law passed by the Colonial Church
should be subject to the veto of the Crown, bat that was
a matter of detail which the House would have to de-
termine when they came to consider its clauses. The only
real and practical relation that subsisted between the Co-
lonial Church and the Crown was that recognised in the
principle of patronage, and he proposed to make provi-
sion in the Bill for continuing that relation, and securing
the rights of the Crown in that respect. His object was
at this Bill should he a relieving and a permissive
Bill, not an enacting Bill • and he had accordingly
made certain changes in ;he phraseology of the Bill
eaheearattototgrevent its having the appearance of the latter
to the • In the former discussion objection was taken
Engiand.thrase " declared member of the Church of
derstood, bel4ow in England that was a phrase little un-
but, nevertheless New Zsalarel it was well understood;
tusk® in order to remove this objectfbn he
proposed
aleoaree the phrase run thus:—" Declared a
bond fide
changes
of the Church of England." These
were all the
add
that he proposed, except that
he intended to
only
remained for 7111 to. the schedule, and it now
That the Chairman move the following resolution:
to
berected to move the House,
that leave ba given
in the colonies in coteetaral!'g ill a Bill to relieve
obishops
and
the
clergy a" laity
I the Church England,
t to legal doubt, Communion with them,
or disabilities affecting the
in respect
management of their Church
affairs "
believed •
Sir PAIUNGTON
Gentleman who made this rnotto,t,taßeight Honourable
purest and most conscientiena motiv
gills' actuated by the
eeose the and it had been
painful to him to ()FY • whi hthe
intrhodueEd
one Right
Honourable Gentleman
owever, a former
the cou
occasion. He repudiated,
by a party toe all idea of
being actuated
omplained aeet in op-
posing the Bill.
month oef
which had been takenffin recferenceorteodthiii; °abject. Trir
second reading of the Bill was
the -gh the April, at a must inconvenient mtime, alethOne
vernment had no intention of thwarting
to gill
nod it
Go-
was to be regretted that his sugggestion
-4tP°llB thee
measure was not adopted. In spitoof hisremonstrauee
Right Hon. Gentleman made long speech in tu
movia
the second reading, and three weeks had to elapse beforehe could reply to it. The consequence was that the
Right Hon. Gentleman's speech worked its way in the
colonies without a reply, and three weeks afterwards
‘. the
Right Hon. Gentleman wished for them to adjourn'
the debate, but he refused to accede to_ that_
proposal, and he made his reply at length, concluding
with a motion. Five weeks had elapsed since then, a_ nd
now the Right Hon. Gentleman came prepared with a
lengthened rejoinder to that reply., He admitted, with
the Right Hon. Gentleman, that the colonies
felt great
interest in this subject, bil/ it would be
indecorous and improper to proceed with
such a measure as this without previously
consulting the heads of the Church of England, both at
home and in the colonies. That opinion he stated to
the House on the former occasion, and he repeated
that they still remained without the groundwork for legis-
lation on the subject. Notwithstanding, therefore, what
had fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman as to the
objections which he had already urged against the
former Bill, he begged to state that he adhered to
those objections, and he must repeat his fears that to
pass such a Bill would be striking a blow at the supre-
macy of the Crown, and seriously damaging the Colo-
nial Church.—(Hear, hear.)
After a brief discussion on a point of order,
Mr- HORKIAN said they ought to proceed with
great caution in this matter. The principles must be
ssahyowatowabseata
clearl and unembiguout, but he was sorry to
to discover what really was the
object of the lesht
resolution. Gentleman in pressing the
the intended to e
y
overnment lad announced that
of the C )ionial
Thegturn their atttniion to the subject
Ccereh, aed he c. uld ace
no practical good that
this roposal. T 113• Bill ss like'
ny to result from
p w tvhich th
Gent;emL;n formerly introduced e Right Honourable
Bill, intended to introduce an
y ,ociev:itiass
tiac Tot vrannolutioninto
the colonies, but the speech which proposed it was y a de-
lusion and a snare. The Speech was a lamb, but the
Bill which came after it was a Wo„u.
This
motion,
let the House remember, was brought forward by
the organ of a party who should not be lost sight
of—it was a dangerous and encroaching party, whose
tactics could be gathered from the fact that its organ
had made a speech on such a day and at
time when he know it would have to go forth without