The Sun.
London, England, 1864-02-05 00:00:00

TIIE ECCLESIASTICAL COMMISSION.

The Archbishop of YORK moved for copies of two re-
ports of committees of the Ecclesiastical Commission. His
object was to remove from their lordships' mind the im-
pression that the Ecclesiastical Commission was receiving
much and doing little.
The Earl of RAVENSW ORTH complained that the
right rev. prelate had altogether omitted all reference to a
large item set down as the cost of management, which he
believed amounted to something little short of £50,000 per
annum. He thought the time had now arrived when it
should be fully considered whether the Ecclesiast:cal Com-
mission, as at present constructed, was the best body for
dealing with such large sums of money as came under their
control.
The Archbishop of CANTERBURY defended the
committee from the charge of extravagance. There was
the cost of three large establishments included in the charge
for management, and he did not think their lordships
would consider £50,000 too much, when it was considered
that they had to deal with property valued at £30,000,000.
The Earl of POW IS objected to the large amount charged
for management.
The Bishop of LONDON said the ecclesiastical members
of the Commission were not responsible for the financial
arrangements of the Commission. They were con-
ducted by that portion of it which was presided over
by the noble earl (Chichester), who ho saw in his place,
which was termed the "estates committee."
The Earl of CHICHESTER defended the course taken
by the Ecclesiastical Commissioners.
LEFT SPEAKING.

HOUSE OF COMMONS--This Evening.
The SPEAKER, took the chair at four o'clock.
NEW MEMBERS.
Sir Roundel Palmer, the Attorney-General ; Sir R. P.
Collier, the Solicitor-General; took the oaths and their
seats on their re•election respectively for Richmond and
Plymouth.
THE COURT-MARTIAL ON COL. CRAWLEY.
Mr. FORTESCUE asked the Under Secretary of State
for War whether he would lay upon the table of the
house the proceedings of the late court martial on
Colcnel Crawley, together with the plans referred to in the
evidence : and whether, with a view to the elucidation of
such plans, an opportunity would be afforded to members
of the house of inspecting the models produced before the
court martial.
The Marquis of lIARTINGTON said it was not desir-
able generally to lay proceedings of courts-martial before
the house, but under the peculiar circumstances of the
present case, if the honourable member would move for
the production of the documents in question, they as well
as the plans would be laid on the table.

MALTA
Sir G. BO WYER. asked the Under Secretary of State for
the Co:onies whether Government had received a uetition
from Malta, praying for reforms in the constitution and
government of the island ; and whether it would be laid
before Parliament ?
Mr. C. FORTESCUE had not heard of any such hav-
ing been received, or being expected to be received.
Sir L. PALK asked the President of the Board of Trade
whether a cargo from a Prussian port, consigned to an
English merchant, on English account, would be respected
in case of capture, so that it might bo reshipped in an Ecg-
lish ship ?
Mr. M. GIBSON said that the case referred to a cargo
on boatel of a Prussian vessel. He supposed Denmark
was a party to the declaration of the treaty of Paris, by
which goods of a neutral country under a foreign flag would
be respected by that country.
THE ADDRESS TO THE ROYAL SPEECH.
Lord RICHARD GROSVENOR brought up the report
on the Address to the Royal Speech, wnich was read.
Mr. WHITESIDE objected to that portion of the
seconder's speech which spoke of the internal prosperity ot
the empire, although he bore testimony to his high ability.
How could that apply to Ireland ? He quoted the words
of Lord Macaulay as to the vast importance of Ireland to
the Imperial interests, before which dwarfed all our colo-
nial possessions. He alluded to the statements of the
right hon. gentleman the Chancellor of the Exchequer last
year relative to the state of Ireland, which he described as.
much depressed as it was painful. He cited the state-
ments of other gentlemen to show that the prospects of the
country had undergone no improvement. He described
the legislation of the right hon. gentleman (the Chan-
cellor of the Exchequer) on two important branches
of production which affected land, namely, distil-
leries and paper as most injurious. He quoted
statistics furnished certain paper manuttoturers in Ireland
in support of his argument. Two of those paper manufac-
turers resided in Galway and the county ot Cork. The
result was that a large number of persons were thrown out
of employment. The emigration from Ireland between the
years :841 and 1863 was 2,718,000, and that emigra-
tion was increasing. Mills was a political economist
ofgreat ability, from whom they might differ, and whom
it was often difficult to answer. According to his
theory cottiers or possessors of only one acre should
be displaced, which would amount to 40,000 such posses-
sors and their families, and if the same principles was
extended to holders of five acres, 14,000 with their families
would be expelled from the land. If the doctrine ,were
still further extended it would depopulate the country to
the (extent of 200,000. (Hear, hear.) After some
further observations to the same point, ho thought
that there should have been some expression of sympathy
for the sufferers in Ireland, similar to that with respect
to Manchester. He had no hope of improvement from
the efforts of the local government in Ireland. The
right hon. gentleman having referred in humorous terms to
the statement of the 'member for Stroud (Mr. Horsman) when
Secretary for Ireland that he had nothing to do, he next
adverted in the same strain to Sir Robert Peel, whern
he described as having dashed into the country,
and represented himself like Julius Czesar to the Senate.
Veni vidi vici. ,t (Laughter.) lie deprecated the exclusion
from the Government of Ireland of its native property and
intelligence.
[LEFT SITTING.]

Mr. Mayhew, who is well known as a writer on
the condition of the lower classes, and whose book
on Germany we lately reviewed (says the Guardian),
has been appointed consul at Copenhagen. It is to
be hoped that he may form a more favourabie
opinion of the Scandinavisns than he has of the
Teutons.