The Sun.
London, England, 1852-03-16 00:00:00

THE SUN,

Ireland in that year were 7,776,000 quarters,,and in the 1401/41
ye ,r only 1,100,000 quarters. There ware hard uoont
3,000,000 of quarters less grown last year in the United
Kingdom than there was the year before. Let them dissolve
if they dare. He had no fear for the result,.
Sir A. COCKBURN said he would not follow the Hon.
Gentleman who had just sat down. He would for a few
moments aVress hinasalf to the question before the
Hone, which was protection on the one side, and free
trade on the other. It was clear, from the temper of the
House, and from the turn the debate had taken, that an
immediate appeal to the country was inevitable. The ques-
tion that hat been put to the Right Hon. Gentleman (the
Chancellor of the Exchequer) by his Hon. and Learned
Friend was a very simple one, and ought to have been fairly
answered by the Right .lion. Gentleman ; and the Right
Hon. Gentleman set out with a statement that he would
give a frank answer to the question, yet he gave no such an-
swer, for up to that moment the Government did not say
what would be their policy. They, in point of fact, had no
policy, and were placing themselves in 'a humiliating and
degrading situation•—( Laughter.) Yes, he repeated it, that
the Government who went to the country without any fixed
principles, of policy it was plech.g itself in a humiliating
and degraded position before the country.--(Hear, and a
laugh.) It was due to the country that the Government
should say what its policy was.. Tie, Home Secretary, who
was more ingenuous than the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
said that they were not going to change the existing policy
of the country as regarded free trade; but that they were
only going, to modify, it !-(A laugh.) What did his, Right
Hop Friend menu by modification ? He contended
.it was
the duty of ,the Government to state frankly what was to be
their policy, and this had not been done.
Mr. BOOKER said he was satisfied that, howeer they
might attempt to modify the laws applicable to free trade,
he was sure they must get, ere long, rid of these laws alto-
gether. The Hon. Gentleman read an extract from a pam-
phlet to show, what he described it to be, the cruel opera-
tions of the free-trade laws in Ireland.
The qUestion was then again put,. that the. Speaker do
leave the chair, which was agreed to.
SUPPLY—NAVY ESTIMATES.

The llouse then went into Committee Mr. BERNAL in
the chair.
On its being proposed that 39,000 men be the number of
seamen and marines employed in the service of the navy for
the year 1852-3.
Mr. HUME objected to any vote being taken on the sub-
ject at that late hour (half-past twelve o'clock).
Mr. DISRAELI said if the vote were objected to he really
must• have quite misunderstood the whole character of the
debate of that evening,. for he thought it was the anxious
wish of Hon. Gentlemen opposite to pass all those measures
which the exigencies of the country required as speedily as
possible.— (Cheers.) Imputations had been bestowed upon
the Government for attempting to introduce other measures.
He thought, therefore, at all events they would allow the
Government to take those votes which were deemed essential
to the public service. By taking this main vote the Govern-
ment would then endeavour to go on with the Mutiny Bill
which had been so often mentioned during the' evening. It,
was in furtherance of the policy which he understood Hon.
Gentlemen opposite had in 'view .that this vote was now
proposed.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that if 'this vote were passed iE
would in effect amount to the passing of the whole of the
navy estimates.
Mr. HUME feared the Right Hon. Gentleman was begin-
ning wrong.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER explained
that he did not propose this vote as a rule. It was an ex-
ception that proved the rule; and he thought that in pro-
posing it he was only acting in deference to the general
wishes of the 11,aise.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he willingly agreed to this vote.
He had never concurred in the. rule attempted to .be laid
down by his Lion. Friend, that after a particular hour busi-
neis should not be proceeded with., If ,there were any ob-
jection to state to the number of 39,000 men,, of course the
Committee would be ready to hear it; but he did not think
there was any. The,Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor
of the Exchequer had been offered to-night the opinions
of many Meuibers on the expediency of advising the Crown
to a diasolution after the ordinary business should have been
gone through. Before Friday next, when it was proposed
to go into Committee of Supply, the Government might re-
consider their determination, concur in the course suggested
that evening, and take such steps as might be necessary,
without proceedi• g with the view, of having a protracted

session.
Tne CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
Noble Lord only did him justice in supposing that it was
both his duty and his pleasure to listen to the sentiments
expressed by Gentlemen on both sides, and to defer, as much
as possible, to what he considered the predominant feeling.
But he was sure the Noble Lord wou d not ask him on the
sudden to 'cilne to any decision on this subject.—(" Hear,
hear," from ,Lord John Russell.) He had watched carefully
the proceedine s of that evening; but when the Noble Lord
said all the Government required to do was to propose the
measures necessary for the public service, he might tie re-
minded thet a most important difference had arisen between
distinguishei supporters of the Noble Lord .npon the ques-
tion as to what measures were necessary and what were
not.—(A laugh.) For example ,the Noble Lerd the Member
for Tiverton who was very guarded in his support, de-
scribed as of imminent neceeite a measure to establish a
militia force. Immediatey unk,r, a leading member of the
resuscitated' Anti-Corn-law Leegue denied that con-
clusion; he di t not look eu that important mea•:.
sure as necessary. While he (the Chancellor of
the Exchequer) readily texpressed his wish to consult the
predominant feeling of the Ho Ise, and to give effect to
what he conceived to be the general sentiments of Honour-
able Membens, be thought, it desirable, as ae interval must
elapse before thg subject recurred, that the .Noble Ldrd
should'summon his supporters again, and get them to come
to some general agreement on the measures they considered
necessary.—(Hear, hear and a laugh.) The Noble Lord,
before lecturing him, and expressing readiness to support
measures of supply which were necessary, but not measures
to waste time, ought to come to an understanding with his
friends on the important question as to what measures were
necessary and what unnecessary.
Lord J. RUSSELL must .explain that he never said any
measures brought forwaid had been so to waste time. But
he thought there were certain measures which it would be
necessary, in the view of a dissolution, to proceed with as
soon as possible. There were others which might be brought
forward, not with the view of wasting time, but of having
the session of the ordinary length, and which were not of an
urgent nature.
Mr. HUME had wished an opportunity of making some
remarks on the distribution of the force to which the vote
rel,ted ; nut, if Hon. Members were satisfied, he would not
throw any obstacle in the way Of taking the vote.
After a few weds trona Mr. W. WILLIAMS,
The vote was agreed to. ,
A vote of 1,469,0541. for wages of seamen and marines, and
naval reserve, having been proposed,
Mr. HUME'remal ked that, as he understood giving the
vote would facilitate a dissolution—(A laugh)—he should
hot throw any difficulty in the way.
The vote was then agreed to; as was also 'a vote of
506,5781. for victuals to seamen and marines.
The House then resumed..
The Burghs (Scotland) .Bill, the Charitable Dints Bill,
and the Copyright Amendment Bill were severally read a
second time.
SUITORS IN CHANCERY RELIEF (STAMP DUTIES,
&e.) BILL
The following resolutions were: passed in Conami4ee,
and ordered to be reported to-day :-
1. That the fees payable on proceedings in the High Court
of Chancery shall be collected by means of stamps.
2. That the following annual salaries shall be payable out
of the Consolidates Fund of the United Kingdom of Great
Britain and Ireland, that is to say :
To the Lord Chancellor •••
To each of the Lord Justices of the Court of
Appeal in Chancery ..,„ ..„ 6,000
To the Vice-Chancellor appointed nn-cler the
Act 5 Vic., sees. 1, cap • 5 5 000
.•• ••• •••
To the Vice-Chancellor appointed under the
5,000.
Act 14 and 15 Vie., cap. 4
in lieu of all salaries now payable to such judges respectively.
3 That the yearly sum of 8001. shall be payable, out
ations
of
the said Consolidated Fund to the secretary Presen
sad secretary of commissions of the'peace.
oft
4. That compensation shall be made out of the said Con-
solidated Fund to the persons holding certain offices in the
High Court of Chancery, on the abolition of their respective
offices.
The House adjourned at a few minutes before One o'cicck.

£lO,OOO

LORDS,
HOUSE OF LORDS, March 15.
The LORD CHANCELLOR wok bis teat on the Wool-
sack precisely at Five o'clock. At that time there Was
an unusually large number of Peers in attendance, and
a large concourse of Peeresses occupied the gallery as-
signed to their accommodation. The Duke of Welling-
ton was in his usual place, the cross bench between the
eoolsteek and the bar.
POLICY OF THE GOVERNMENT.
Lord BEAUMONT, in presenting a petition complain-
ing of the injury inflicted on the country by the uncer-
tainty which exists as to the intentions of the Govern-
ment reApecting the law regarding the importation of
foreign corn, availed himself of the opportunity to put
a question to her Maiest)'s Government'—whether it is
or is not their intention :0 recommend to Parliament an
alteration of the present policy with respect to the
importation of corn as soon as a new Parliament
could be -assembled?—(hoar, hear.) He at.ited,
as a reason for asking this question, the great uncer-
tainty, under which the country laboured, and especially
thele trading classes, as to tvheit were the intentions of
the ..Fiert
policy Majesty's Mioisters in reference to the existing
question of
of free trade in corn. Having bri.fly adverted
to the
sentiments
Lord of the Tlyreeaxspurreyseidn btyhitshHe oNuosbeleonEtjthrle
protectionre on taking office, the Noble
Lord (Lord
on tee 0118'13i ,tnorit) complimented Lord Derby
cated the question" —l4_ which he had litlio-
Noble Lord at the heed complained, however, of the
might be whilst in opposiiion. Hoe' Protection to agriculture
referredtkat occasion with stating
merely contented himself 01 the Government having
that this question
the country at some indefinite time,
to the decision of
taken the more manly and strartielftustt'ad of having
propounding frankly what the feeglinorward course of
ment were on this all-important gesuaj the Govern-
the event of an adverse majority in subject, and ill
Commons of making a direct and immediate Re of
the country. Had the Noble. Lord taken that appeal to
course, he
(Lord Beaumont) would never have thought it his duty
to take the step he was now taking. He charged the
Noble Lord with an attempt to call upon the country to
agitate this question with the view of founding some
ulterior measure on that agitation. That was not the
conduct which a true statesman would have pursued,
but was rather that of an' agitator out of doors.
The only construction he (Lord Beaumont) could put
upon that conduct was that the Noble Lord wished to
raise a quarrel out of doors, in order that he might stand
quietly by and look on. Was not this creating an agi-
tation out of doors, without there being any prospect of
a settlement of the question in Parliamen' ? There was
the greatest possible confusion arid difference on this
j matter in the sentiments expressed by the members of
the Noble Lord's Government on their recent re-elec-
tiens. The address of the Chancellor of the Exch. quer
to the constituency of Bucking'
was referred
was especially mys-
tical. A`• countervailing nuty • - ,frequently
to in that Right Hon. te •
entleman's speech, but whether
that he
it was to be a ss. or a 7s. duty wanted nobody
knew.—(A rough.) Now,
he (Lord Beaumont) con-
tended that the country was entitled know distinctly,
whether or not it was the intent
On intention d ofto the Government
to propose a fixed dutythe importation of
foreign corn. When a man entered two horses
for a race he generally knew which was to