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Right Hon. Friend would make some concession upon
that subject, because ho believed the greater part, if not I
the whole of the unpopularity of that measure was
owing to the insertion of those clauses.—(Hear, hear.)
The CHAI3MAN asked the Hon. Member whether
he meant to move any amendment ?
Mr. CLIARTERIS replied in the negative. He merely
wished to offer a suggestion.
Mr. WALPOLE said that as his Hon. Friend had
adverted to the 16th clause, which provided for the en-
forcement of the ballot, while they bad under their con-
sideration the 7th clause, he (Mr. Wulpule) would take
that opportunity of announcing the intention of the Go-
vernment upon that subject. The great object of the
Government was to mists the required number of men by
voluntary enlistment, if they could properly do so. They
looked upon that as a great experiment, and they there-
fore proposed that the ballot should not be put in force
or
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tea,tlrl 0
,11pipuotortoophei4ation—(Hear)—and they would have a
of stopping that machinery if it should
be found unnecessary to have recourse to it. The Go-
vernment were not anxious to have recourse to the
ballot, bat, on the contrary, were desirous of avoiding
it if possible. Let him remind the Committee that
if the Bill were not passed, and if it should
be found necessary to have recourse to the ballot be-
tween the present ;him and the meeting of Parliament,
they would have no means of raising the men that
would be required, except by removing the Ballot Sus-
pension Act, and resorting to the 42d of George 111.
He could not approve of the suggestion of his Hon.
Friend,sen ed y
that
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one-half,
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fraoupdo proposed
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giving them a sufficient force for any emergency, and
raising that force with as little disturbance as possible of
the ordinary occupations of the people. He proposed,
however, to amend the wording of that clause by sub-
stituting for the words "there shall be raised," the fol-
lowing words—" it shall be lawful to raise."
Lord JOCELYN expressed his disapproval of the
proposal of his Hon. Friend (Mr. Charteris). The
highest authorities upon that subject had expressed
their belief that 70,000 or 80,000 men were the smallest
number which could form an efficient force. He did not
expect that that Bill would give them any perfectly-
trained and effective troops; but it would enable the
Government to know where they could lay their hands
on a body of men who would be found extremely useful
he an emergency. He would suggest to his Right Hon.
Friend the Secretary for the Home Department a mode
by which the efficiency of the force might be very consi-
derably increased. Under the Queen's warrant soldiers
were at present allowed to purchase their discharge on
pay ment of a certain sum, graduated according to the
amount of service they mighthave performed. It appeared
to him that it would be very desirable to allow those
men to purchase their discharge at a lower rate. on
condition of their enrolling themselves in the militia,
while they should receive the same bounty as other
volunteers. He believed that the number of soldiers
who purchased their discharge amounted annually to
about 1,600; and it was evident that those men who
had undergone a regular military training might add
greatly to the efficiency of the militia force. He thought
that the men themselves would not be unwilling to avail
themselves of that arrangement, and he had also reason
to think that it would meet with the approval of military
authorities.

Mr. W ALPOLE having here proposed that the blank
in the clause should be filled up with the words" eighty
thousand,"
Mr. M. GIBSON said that as the Right Hon. Gentle-
man had announced his intention of posiponieg the ope-
rations of the ballot until after the meeting of the next
Parliament, there could be no practical use, in asking the
House at present to vote for the enactment of the ballot.
If that measure could not be enforced until after the
meeting of the new Parliament, why should it be enacted
in the meantime? And shy should they commit them-
selves to a principle without any necessity ? And if they
were to postpone one-half of the Bill, why should they
not oleo postpone the other half? Why should they,
to use a common saying, " make two bites of a
cherry?" They proposed to raise 80,000 militiamen,
and they bad got, at the lowest computation, 67,000 re-
gular troops within the United Kingdom. Now the
Noble Lord the Member for Tiverton had informed them
that in the month of January, 1814, during the height
of the French war, they bad in the United Kingdom
only 80,000 militiamen and 56,000 regular troops; so
that it was at present proposed that they should haves
larger force in time of peace than they had during the
height of the French war. Was that reasonable? They
told him of the danger of attack; but his apprehension
arose from the danger of an aggression on the part of
this country.—(Laughter, and cries of "Oh, oh.") That
apprehension was at least justified by past events, while
the theory of an unexpected attack to be made o us by
a friendly nation was unsupported by any facts nin the
history of this country. His theory that the English
Government might pursue an interfering policy in
Europe was based, not on the doctrines of the Pence
Society, but on events which had already actually taken
place. If a foreigner of intelligence heard Ministers
talking of the chastity of our women, or the wealth
of our merchants being in danger from France, he
would believe England was about to embark on
an aggressive policy. This was not a time to
get up debates imputing to France concealed designs
of attack, and awakening her jealousies and fears.
He would not speak of the press; but such a course pur-
sued by men of eminence and Ministers of State was
calculated to bring on war. He could suggest no course
more likely to produce such a result—gentlemen going
down to the House of Commons and making speeches—
(Loud ironical cheering)—and without any facts—(Re-
newed cheers)—imputing bad motives to a friendly
power.—(Continued cheering.) There was not a pretext
for this measure; for the Noble Lord the Member for
Tiverton had declared that when he had left the Foreign
Office there was perfect tranquillity.—(Hear.) The
milida were to be raised first by bounty. When the
men, however. had the money, how were they to be
secured? To lavish such an immense sum on so large a
number of men, and without any effective means of se•
curing their services, was really most unreasonable. Was
there to be a vague abuse on the character of the En-
glish people, and their disposition to fulfil their engage-
meats?—(Loud cheers.) It would be far better to with-
draw the measure for more mature consideration on this
and other points.—(Elear, hear.) As to steam it was all
nonsense, for the question remained just where it was
before as to disembarkation. Steam enabled a hostile foe
to cross the sea quicker, but not to land more easily; and
on the other hand, enabled us to transport our means of
defence more rapidly by railway. He should certainly
take the sense of the House on this proposition of 80,000
men.
Lord PALMERSTON—Sir, I do not rise to discuss
whose speeches are most calculated to promote hostili-
ties with foreign countries—(Loud cheers)—or encou-
rage and invite invasion.—(Renewed cheers.) I leave
that to the decision of the public.—(Continued cheers.)
But the Right Hon. Gentleman has misrepresented what
I staid on a former occasion.—(Hear, hear.) He repre-
sented me to have stated that in January, 1814, we had
80,000 militia—[Mr. GIBSON-82,000] —and 56,000 re-
gular troops in the United Kingdom, and that therefore
the proposal now made for 80,000 militia and 56,000 re-
Oar troops—Nr. GIB9ON-67,000]—will place the
country precisely in the same situation as in 1814. But,
Sir, my Right Hon. Friend appears to be ignorant of
the difference between an enrolled and an embodied mi-
litia—(dear, hear.) What I said was that, in 1814, we
had not 80,000, but 89,000—(Hear, hear)—militia—not
enrolled only, but embodied—(Hear, hear)—armed and
under discipline all the year round, and in all respects
like the regular troops.--(Hear, hear.) That is not what
is proposed nuw.—(Hear, bear.) It is not proposed to
have a militia even of 80,000 embodied, but only en-
rolled.—(Hear, hear.) Tho parallel, therefore, totally
fails.—(Hear, hear.) The cases are utterly different.—
(Hear, near.) And, Sir, it is to be remembered that
though 1814 was a year of war, the French had plenty
of employment in other parts of the world—(Hear, hear)
—and probably there was never a year in which there
was less chance of invasion.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. GIBSON said he would, of course, submit to
the Noble Lord's correction as to the numbers of the
militia in 1814; but the Nubia Lord had not contra-
d,oricihtevien clar
invasionh
ande other t h
tehriws wapaart of the statement, that in 1814 there
Thep
were only 56,000 regular troops in the United Kingdom,
whereas now there were 67,000, though that was a time
asrosbabtilmetime of peace.—(Hear, a
wasce. —i(mflperaorb, hear.)ab l
(Hear, hear.)
o
NobleThened iLt owrdassoanidlytthoe
bemilitiao np
awpeorre
not to be embodied.
paper.
—(No, no.) Then what was it to be?—(Oh, oh.) If it
were not to be embodied,
b di
and no hurry. It the,re could be no emergency
was
perfectly absurd to pay the bounty
money merely fo
to the price ofa enrolment. Why the 61. just amounted
embody themPeA,
Who could expect the then
to America.—(oh, oh.)
to come back when it was
could beeyexp.ected back again, why
could be off to America.
wanted to
—(oh, oh.) If they
all our military go on leave of
)said that foreigners
were
naturally
we might as well let
they would even take money to defehneedaro
soi degraded
absence.—.
S(Ctirdre.
lottheirne-
suppose that the people of this country
design of abandoning h
-t'ar)—and that, withh the
fore, it was utterly defenceless.—(Hear,
that
could be more calculated to invite invasion and induceg
(gear, hear.) He deprecated such
attack.—speeches, as
tending to produce much mischief and create bad ina•
home and stn
.—(Hear.)
pressions both at
d into souie observati
Mr. FIUME enter() observation about the
"country gentlemen " being the cause of taxation, and
one laining of agricultural distress,
taunted them with c p.ountenanoing
a cry
and at the same time L
the present measure, imposing ad-
sion," which produced
the people. If this measure were
ditional burdens upon th
carried it would be by the aid of the county Members,
out • vend
for Government
who were heretofore crying
t axonpon them.
from the heavy burdens the
prey ished that gentle-
Mr. W. MILES v.:As perfectly
t to name a day for
men why called on the GOanverßillend deliver
themselves of set
epeeches, evidently intend
dissolution should get
tended for the second reading,
o_in-
stead of confining themselves to the particular I
aus
the Bill before the Committee.—(Hear.) If they weof
r
to discuss the elapses let, them strictly do so, but not make
speeches de omnibus rebus et quibusdam
Mr. Mal objected that so large a number at 50,000
men, out Of the requisite 80,000, should be raised in the
present year by bounty. , They apprehended danger or
they did not. He wished to know, in case of an emer-
geucy occurring, if they would
prefer
to rely on these
40,000 men, to an addition of 15,000 regular troops to
the army?—(Hear, and divide.)
Mr. J. EV &NS could not fancy •
gentlemen acting as
her Majesty's Government were about to act, if they

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really were under a sense of danger. They would raiser number of mon to he raised-in the first year with "fifty
60s100 men this year by bounty if they could get them; thousand;" otherwise he could see no reason why they
but if they could not, they would do without them. The should not plss the clause then.
compulsory clause was put cif to the next year; why not Sir E. COLEBROOKE said he objected to the "fifty
s;pene the whole matter? What was to become of thousand," and intended to oppose it.
the country in the interim?—(Hear, hear.) Who could The motion for reporting progress was then agreed to,
tell if the invasion would not take place in the foggy and the Chairman obtained leave to sit again to-morrow
nights between this and Christmas,—(Hear, and laugh ter.) (this day).
Mr. WYLD opposed the Bill, as, in his opinion, its The Stock-in-Trade Bill was read a third time and
only efftct would be to place in the hands of the Govern- panned.
ment a large amount of patronage.—(ol, oh.) Tho Stamp Duties (Ireland) Continuance Bill was
After a few words from Colonel THOMPSON, who read arßseoeoptiEdit:im,ye,
also opposed the. Bid, _ . . . 1 nAnld4D('rdleNredCotMe he committed.
Mr. COBDEN thought the statement of tee Fight Colonel -SIBTHOrtP protestedegainst th- o renewal of•
Hon. Gentleman, the Secretary of State fur the Horne this oppressive 'end unequal tax, which ho.regard©d as
Depertment, that the Government would not nn able to almost a breach of faith oh -the part, of the tGovern-
put this measure into force this year,- a sufficient reason moot. So strongly did 'ho disapprove of this Bill, that
for reporting progress. If this Bill could not compel if an opportunity offered ho otetuld take the sense of
service in the militia, it was totally inefficient. He the. House- against it. He trusted the Government
ehould like to know. what course the Noble Lord the would be able to hold -out some prospect that this tax
Member for Tiverton meant to take, after his assertion would not be renewed. at the expiration of theensuing
that we might be invaded by 60,000 men from year. -.. .
Cherbourg in one night. But he (Mr. Cobden) totally Mr. HEYWORTH, on- the contrary, thought the
denied .that in Lancashire, Yorkshire, or Middlesex Bill ought to be extended tw almost every income in.
there could be got together volunteers at en a the country, with a view to the removal of indirect
head; for rin:,n w‘. uld not be found to leave their work taxettor.
on such an errand. A more ridiculous waste of time Colonel THOMPSON hoped that there was no more
:led money than this measure would entail he could not chance of repeclieg the income-tax than of the restore-
conceive; and, considering the altered state of cireum- Won of the corn-laws. , ile wished to see the income-
stances, and the necessity of letting the public out of tax levied in perpetuity as a means of raising the re-
doors know what they had been doing, he trusted they venue of the country. ,
• •
would now consent to report progress. Sir H. WILLOUGHBY considered the income-tax es-
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER would sentially unequal. He lowly many persons who by
not now stop to inquire whether the people of England means of its operation were paying 12 or 14 per cent.
were the " vagabonds" they had been described to he by on their income. He feared, however, there was no al-
the Hoe. Member, or the " clod hoppers," as they had ternative between either renewiee.
g tint tax for a year
been characterised by the Hon. Member for Man- or witnissing a great deficiency in the Exchequer. He
chester.—(flear, hear.) It was somewhat remarkable, believed that abroad some misconception existed upon
that lion. Gentlemen, who were so often appealing to the Chancellor of - the Exchequer's speech on
popular sympathy, and who boasted so of the privilege the budget, an opinion prevailing that the Right
of representing the people, should never speak of the Hon. Gentleman was opposed to direct taxation and
masses except in terms of contempt and contumely.— favourable to Customs' duties as a- means of raising
(Cheers.) The Right Hon. Colleague of the Member revenue. Ho wished to
call the attention of the
for Manchester said that none but vagabonds would Government to the lax way iu which the -documents
enlist in the service, because the people were rapidly connected with the income-tux were preserved. In one
emigrating from this country. Probably the Right town the returns had beenf h-tsoeldtaxto grocers, and the as
Hon. Gentleman might know something of the cause counts of the chief tradesmen were sold with the articles
of that emigration.—(Hear, hear.) When the motion vended in those shops. If
for reporting progress was made, he (the Chancellor of means should be taken to preserve If a
the Exchequer) was anxious to know on what ground landlord let a farm upon a lease at,. say, 3001. a-year,
Hon. Gentlemen contended that the whole principle of and made a reduction of 10 per cent. to the tenant, he
the Bill had undergone a change.—(Heur.) Now, the was bound to pay three per cent. wtheereeeprreetsuerrnvae.d soma
on the 3001. a-year,
Bill was brought in on the principle of voluntary enlist-, and not upon the 2701. This was an injustice upon those
ment, and he must say, after due deliberation and con- landlords who to meet the pressure of the times had
sideration, and after receiving mach information upon made reductions in their rents. He thought that were
the subject, her Majesty's Government were satisfied a bond fide reduction had been made the income-tax
that a sufficient force by that plan could be got together. ought to be paid upon the income
actually received, and
—(Hear, hear.) From the principle of voluntary en- not upon the nominal income.
listment there had been no departure.—(Hear, hear.) The CHANCELLOR of the EXC
HEQUER—I hope
And now, as to what his Right Honourable Friend the my Hon. and Gallant Friend the Member for Lincoln
Home Secretary had said with regard to the ballot; dues not mean to accuse the present Government of any
under ordinary circumstances it would take four months breach of faith because we have proposed the re-impo-
to bring the ballot into full play.—(Hear, hear.) His sitien of the income-tax for a limited period. In the
Right Hon. Friend, with the sanction of his colleagues, position in which we find ourselves Ido not know that we
and in deference to the House and the country—in an. could have pursued any other course than that which we
ticipation of another Parliament meeting within the have taken. I have no fear that when the country
year—offered to insert a date in the Bill which would heaerany hinessounpassienedoonsideration tothe present
secure to the new Parliament the power of interfering state of affairs, it will condemn us for the inevitable course
it' this point of the ballot was considered a cause of ap- which we have pursued.—(Hear, hear.) My Hon.
prehension and likely to lead to unpopularity.—(flear, Friend the Member for Evesham has touched upon an-
hear.) The offer made, then, could not be considered in other point, which at this hour I would not have ven-
the slightest degree a deviation from the principle of the tared to obtrude on the attention of the House; but
measure, or from the policy which dictated it.—(Hear, which, having been alluded to, it would not become me
hear.) It was, he would not say a concession, but a dis- to pass unnoticed.. When I brought forward my fluen-
position to
met an objection which might be made. cial statement it was my intention—and I' believe I fill-
of the Honourable Member filled that intention—to express no opinion on any sub-
that any change had ject whatever. I confined 'myself to bringing before the
ibTeeirieen
theams assertion, ilovi
nne,sttthhee therefore,
principleof the Bill, was one of House what I believed to be a complte view of our
those exaggerations to which the Hon. Member so financial condition.—(Hear.) I confined myself to that
often and so felicitously had recourse—(Hear, hear)— duty because it was necessary for me to terminate my
which, under other circumstances, had found consider- observations by making a proposition which, abstractedly
able success, but which he (the Chancellor of the Ex- as a measure of finance, Ido not approve of. I wished
chequer) trusted would not meet with so happy a result the country to comprehend clearly our financial posi-
on the present occatiou,—(Hear and cheers.) This Bill Lion, and the inevitable. necessity the Government was
sought to establish a militia on the voluntary principle, under of submitting that proposition. I also wished
and that principle had been adopted in the conviction that the country should take advantage- of the interval
that it was practicable.—(Hear, hear.) The Govern- which must elapse before another financial statement
meat believed that principle would succeed, but in hay- can be made by a Chancellor of the Exchequer--
ing recourse to the ballot they did not practically deviate whoever may fill that important office—to arrive
from the plan first sketched.—(Hear, hear.) The bal- at some conclusion as to the principles on which
lot would not be brought into operation' and by that the revenue of the country ought to be raised. With
time the new Parliament would meet. The measure these views2l most studiously guarded myself against
was never intended to produce a disciplined force which giving any opinion either for or against the policy which
should be able to encounter the disciplined forces of the has been pursued with respect to the reduction and re-
great states of Europe; and the attempt to compare peal of the Customs' dulies.—(Hear.) I believe I was
such a force to the legions of Algiers or the armies of equally guarded in any observations I made with respect
the Caucasus was one which, he trusted, the Committee to the other modes by which the public revenue is
would not encourage.—(Hear, hear.) This was a first raised. I felt it my duty to place before the House,
attempt to habituate the people of this country more to without any colouring and in a calm spirit, the cense-.
the use of arms than heretofore. Irresistible circum- quences of recent reductions of the Customs' duties and
stances had rendered such a policy necessary.—(Hear.) their effect on the finance of the country. My observe-
If this Bill passed, although it would not produce a dons were limited strictly to the influence of thee()
force which could meet the veteran armies of the world, measure on finance. I avoided all commercial con-
it would lay the foundation of a constitutional system troversy—l entered into no discussion as to whether the
of national defence.—(Cheers.) policy of our predecessors was tainted by injustice—l
Mr. COBDEN repelled with indignation the insinua- avoided all topics of that nature, because I thought them
lions of the Right Hon. Gentleman_(oh)—who had unnecessary and not germane to the question under dis-
charged him with having accused the people of this cussion. It appeared to me that my sole duty was to
country with being vagabonds.—(Oh.) Ho had too place a clear view of our finances before the House, and
much respect for the people of England to believe that to abstain from proposing any alteration in the mode of
they would accept the bounty, and turn soldiers for 21 raising the revenue. Finding that to be my only duty,
days. What he said was, that the people of Yorkshire, I certainly-made no particular reference to those classes
Lancashire, and Middlesex, were too profitably employed of the community who are, in my mind, greatly suffer-
to engaeo themselves in such a manner. The mechanics ing, and to whose sufferings it is, according to my opi-
and artisans would not accept the bounty, and the men nion, the duty' of Parliament to apply some remedy.—
they were likely to get would be the " vagabondage" of (Cheers.) I certainly communicated to the House the
the country.—(oh, oh.) important fact, that in estimating the revenue of the
Colonel SIB fiIORP trusted the Hon. Member's con- country it was necessary to make great allowances fur
stituents would remember the epithet applied to them. reductions of rental and farming profits.—(Hear, hear.)
But the Hon. Member would not think it politic to call In the position in which the Government, the House, and
them " vagabonds" on the busting. the country arc placed, it 'would have been indiscreet in
Mr. BRIGHT said the Chancellor of the Exchequer me on that occasion to have
obtruded the o pinions which
seemed to think they wee making an unnecessary noise the Government may entertain with respect to the re-
and turmoil upon the question, when it was the fact that medial measures such a state- of affairs may require.
he bad made changes of importance in the Bill. The After it hats been publicly announced, and after that an-
House and theeountrtyh,athaowveevryeri,niwpoarstaonft
eahadnigffeerheandt nanoueneceeenasieenn which is now not only not distant but t has bean accepted by the country, that on
opinion. He contended
im-
been made, if not in the principle, at least in the details minent, the opinion of the constituent body will be taken
and circumstances of the
measure. Instead of making with respect to that subj
ect especially, it would bevel
himself absolutely certain that he could raise a force of been most improper item ;
—B, .11 making the financial state-
even 10,000 men, he leaves the defences of the country to , meat, to have troubled the . House in detail with any
the chapter of accidents, and pat; off the ballot to the schemes or measures that had reference to the alleviation
end of the year. The opinion of the most eminent mili- of the sufferings of the agricultural classes.---(Hear,
tart' men was that they could not raise the requisite hear.) ln taking that course, I think I acted in unison
force by volunteering. 'They had entirely shifted their with the feelings of the-ajority of this House and of
ground, and abandoned that of urgency and3iet _ danger,ee the country;
Member'
but, after the observations of my Hon.
and postponed all active measures till the D em- Friend the. for Evesham, I hahe no hesita-
ber. Tho Right Hon. Gentleman was unwilling( ton go don in
d saying that When her*Majesty shall have re-
to the country upon the question of free tradehhQunees: curre to thear sense of h
''er'PeOple, her Majesty's Go-
tion.)
.1710 wished to appeal on the principles of his_ g vernment e prepared to introduce, in due season; those
was one of gene- remedial measures which
ral policy, and, as the present measure they believe are required by
of the 13111 at least justice, and by retard -
ral policy, he thought that portion
t oned till
thiieer to the permanent interests of the
which referred to the ballot ought to b® pos country. —(Cheers,)
pronouncing Th this s-) I. think there can be no misunder-
the electors would have an opportunity of
tleman said standingWea • ared House.
or in the country on that subject.
Right lion. G
an opinion upon it. The Rig
of this country that policy with o
filial; as . far as lies in our power,
the object was to accustom the
people
ee
that was tea- we adveoicayted on regardthe to the ngricultural interest which
more to the use of arms. He denied thatother-sidis of the house.—Cheers.)
was anything Strong, however, as
veiling in the right direction; and if there 9'aY be our determination, and firm
; d thechains of may be our -
as convictions,
more than another that had r.vette..of • s,, I still believe that on the
hands of these despotic occasion making the tin •
Europe, it was placing in the
.financial statement it would have
f the people. been a most uncalled-t .
rulers large armies to crush the liberties o
.. or Proceeding to obtrude an ex-
Gentleman planation of our
If that was the direction the Right Hon. (chenolicy on the attention of the House of
of Commons.—
meant to proceed in, be would be regarded as one
ever After a few words
the most mischievous rulers that that country
had
Mr. PACKE rs from Mr. Awirrny and Mr.
WYLD,
known.—(oh, oh!) He trusted he would withdraw expressed his warm thanks to the Chan-
fromand realer of the
the Bill the clauses that referred to the ballot, Exchequer for the statement he had made
with respect to th
leave them to the consideration of another Parliament.Getle- The staement could not auffsring class in the country.
Mr. WALPOLE was not surprised that Hon. (He not fail
Gentle-
es riculturiste.— to give satisfaction to the
mole
Men opposite would not receive the repeated assuranc a
gSir G. GREY was Sr.) •
of the Government that they did not intend to have. re-e.
b seemed to have taken hot
surprised at the alarm which
course to compulsory service, unless they failed possession of Hon. Gentleman op-
in
osite in consequence
taming voluntary tenders. The ballot,
he
repeated, Pment delivered by tt?f' the able and satisfactory state-
would not be put into operation until they were assured Chancellor of the Exchequer
in introducing his budgeannounce-
t.--(Cheers.) It was evident,
ment he had made was strictly in accordance with what had, been enacted that night,
Hon. Gentlemen
he had stated from the commencement—unless in case that
Hon. were anxious to extort from the
of a threatened invasion the machinery for the ballot Right
i ht found Gentlemanii - some declaration on which
would not be called into operation.—(Hear, hear.) That they
Gmovegrnment, in tgt'alat
i hope that the members of
was the whole announcement he had made, and it was theon
the opinions which theyrMinisterial career, would act
consistent with everything he had previously said. The maintained on the other side
of the House when they
proposition of a Militia Bill was not brought forward
the Protectionist party. ,(Hear, lir What used to he called
from any apprehension of invasion, but on the general. ( ear, hear.) The Right Hon.
bad now declared,—
iu
• ' le that a country like than should not be left in a Gentlemaned
him
principle by on former ht language similar to that
state of undefenco; and since there really was no aphree employ
first appeal to --eastotts, that the Govern..
hension of an invasion, that was the best time to provide
Elie"
would
measures wohthe country, and then bring
against danger, by a measure of provident precaution, forward the
them n ich they deemed necessary.
where no alarm or jealousy could be reasonably excited. But he had given_ _
.0 distinct idea as to what those
After a few words from Mr. BASS, measures were likelyto be; nor did he (Sir G. Grey)
Mr. CHARTERIS said ho would not have ventured think it was very• material to knew._
to have brought forward (H hear.) He
a motion on this subject unless did not think it at all necetsary.th ears
he had consulted the opinions of some eminent military examine the Right
Hon. Gentlemanat theyeshould cross-
he done, '
men, who thought that 40,000 regular troops would be his supporters had m order
in the way some of
to get at the opinions
more efficient than 80,000 militiamen. But inasmuch of the Government.—(Hear,. And a laugh.) The Right
as the Hon. Member for Manchester had taken up the Hon. Gentleman told them that t,
ne had not on Friday
motion, he felt himself in such a position that if the evening said anything whatever With
respect to our
Hon. Member persisted in his amendment he would sup- commercial policy. .11 ad been equally discreet to-
port him. ' night. But it was not,after all, a matter of vet great
Mr. HEYWORTH supported the amendment. consequence. They relied not on the opinions yof the
Mr. OSWALD said that even when the Noble Lord Government, but on the, facts which the Right Hon. Gen-
the Member for Tiverton, instead of turning the other tleman had brought •torwV.---(Cheerh
) They were
cheek, smote the Noble Lord the Member for London well aware of those facts orw—ret
tetottr, hear.) They
'under the fifth rib—(Lauehter)—he was not tempted to had been stated overoversnd again ;
en Speeches in that
• • the onslaught. Inasmuch as the House had de- House, and in pamphlets . out of doors.
Join The accuracy of
&tired by a majority of about 150 in favour of the se- those statements had-been impugned • b
f the Crown * but now they had
cond reading, he would bow to that decision, and al- one of the Ministers o t
w. coming, is forward and
though he was by no means favourable to the present declaring that those fee % eere irrefragahle, and illua-
Government, he would support them in the present in- trating them with_.a power
hear,)
eloquence seldom
stance. equalled in that House.-( Heat', ear-) Those facts had
'
Mr. M. GIBSON said, that all he proposed was that been appreciated by the country;
find,
go to the country
the word " eighty" be struck out, leaving it to any when they might, wouldthey
remocilit on the hustings
Hon. Member to propose to fill up the blank as he they proposed to repeal or the policy which of
pleased. adopted, that the people
late years had been a_
would re-
Mr. J. EVANS said, that as the principle of the Bill spend with one voice that they had derived important
had been affirmed by a large majority of the House, he benefits from that new they
policy,• and that were not
Was not disposed to support an amendment that was disposed to give it up.—'(Cheers)
eers.)
calculated to destroy that principle. Mr. W. MILES asked, if benefit had been conferred
Mr. T. MeCULIACeII appealed to the Chairman to on the consumers by this policy, what benefit had ace
etato-what the question really was that was before the trued to the producers? Look at the state of the •
agricuih
House. tural classes, and at the same time of the money-market.
The'Conerainee then divided, when there appeared— Did that show that trade was• prosperous? Though a
Ayes carried on; it had
large trade had been been with very
Noes the greatest confident©
106 small profits. He had in the Right
Majority .. —l3l Hoo. Gentleman the Chancellor of the E h
he eqeur. He
The blank was then ..%
•••
thousand " filled up with the words "eighty had never, since 1846, swerved from the principles he
• Mr. WALPOLE moved that the might depend upon i that advocated; and they t the prin-
osition he would, as • •
filled up with the words "fifty e second blank be - eiples he supported in. opposition "(Hear hear.) a MIMS.
thousand" as the number ter, honestly act upon.— ,
,
of men to ho raised for the firstd t
Mr. BRIGHT, having anyear.The Bill was then read, a see)ll time.
amendment to propose, ob- The taetropolitan Distriot) Bill was
proceedingfurther Grand Juries-C
jcctcd to at that hour of the night, readsecondtime and sent to. Select Committee.
and moved that the Chairman should
report progress,disposed of, and the House
and salt leave to sit again. The other orders. were
adjourned at a Quarter to. Two o'clock.
Mr. HUME amid that as the House had settled the
total ritiwb:;l' of men to be raised under the Bill, he had
no objection to fill -up the second blank with the words
e fifty thousand " for one year; but he hoped the motion
01
t the Ho,. Member for Manchester would be acceded
the Government.
to by 'LI ORof the EXCHEQUER T CHANCL .
Tile
understand the propriety of deferring further discussion,
if it were objected to ail up the second blank for the
n

Mr. Bullock had an interview yesterday with Sir John
Pakingten, at the Colonial-office.
Dispatches were received at the Colonial-office les ter-
day from the Governors of Ilong-Kong and Ceylon.
Dispatches were also received from the Governor of the
Mauritius. Dispatches were sent yesterday to the Go-
vernor of Gibraltar.