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LONDON, SAT U RDA Y _EVENING, MAY 22,

" The redemption of this loan will be at par, by
yearly drawing of two per cent. on the nominal capital.
" The payments will be made at those places, and in
the currency of the places, where the dividends are
papable.

" Frankfort, 17th May, 1852."

POST-OFFICE NOTICE.

MAILS FOR HAVANA AND JACDIEL.—The mails for
Havana will, in future, be made up in London for trans-
mission by the West India contract packet leaving
Southampton on the 2d, instead of that leaving on the
17th of each month, and the return mails from Havana
will be duo by the corresponding packet arriving at the
beginning of the month.
The mail for Jacmel (Hayti) dispatched by the packet
of the 2d of the month, which has hitherto been con-
veyed via Jamaica, will hereafter be forwarded to that
port direct from St. Thomas.

THE LONDON GAZETTE, May 21.
DIVIDENDS.
At the Court, Basinghs.ll-street.
I. Lyons, Cripplegate-buildings, City, umbrella manu-
facturer, Juno 11, at two—D. Keith and T. Shoobridge,
Wood-street, Cheapside, warehousemen, June 11, at one
—J. Fuller, Ely, Cambridgeshire, stonemason, (and not
J. G. Fuller, St. James's-street, and Streatham, wine
merchant, as advertised in the Gazette of May 14),
June 11, at eleven—T. Williams, Epsom, draper, June
11, at eleven—W. Dalton, Charlotte-street, Pimlico,
grocer, June 11, at one—G. Wheeler, Richmond, Surrey,
June 11, at two—A. Lee, Guildford, Surrey, banker,
June 11, at two—T. Keating, St. Paul's Churchyard,
druggist, June 15, at eleven—G. Cheetham and G. W.
Gill, Strood and Frinsbury, Kent, shipbuilders, June
14, at twelve—F. King, Oxford, auctioneer, June 14, at
eleven—J. B. L. Buckland, Threadneedle-street, City,
and Regent Villas, Regent's-park, insurance agent and
broker, June 17, at eleven—ll. Girdlestone, North
Audley-street, apothecary, June 14, at two.
In the Country.
J. Fitchett, Birmingham, casting-pot maker, June
12, at half-past ten, at the Court, Birmingham.
PAYMENT OF DIVIDENDS.

J. Heyward, Oxford-street, Whitechapel, watchmaker,
2s. 3d., on Saturday next, and three subsequent Satur-
days, between eleven and two, at the office of Mr.
Groom, Abchurch-lane, City.
W. Foster, Bolton, Lancashire, confectioner and bis-
cuit manufacturer, 3s. 4d., on Thursday, June 17, and
every following Thursday, between ten and one, at the
office of Mr. Lee, Manchester.
H. J. Ellis, Rotherhithe•wall, Rotherhithe, iron-
monger, ls. 8 d., on Thursday, the 27th inst., and three
following Thursdays, between eleven and two, at the
office of Mr. Stansfeld, Basingball-street.
B. Seymour, Sunderland, linen and woollendraper,
second dividend of 41., in addition to 4s. previously de-
clared, on Saturday, the 22d inst., or any subsequent
Saturday, between ten and three, at the office of Mr.
Baker, Newcastle-upon-Tyne.
NOTICES OF CERTIFICATES.
At the Court, Basinghall-street.
S. Walkineen, Writtle, Essex, inn-keeper, June 17
at eleven—J. Wilkins, Brighton, builder, June 12, at,
eleven—J. Franklin, Great Marlow, Buckinghamshire,
inn-keeper, Jun 12, ut twelve—H. Worms, Blackfriars-
road, bootmaker, June 11, at eleven.
In the Country.
P. Newman, Winchcomb, Gloucestershire, tea dealer,
June 16, at eleven, at the Court Bristol—D. H. Thomas,
Tyntwr, Carnarvonshire, draper, June 14, at eleven, at
the Court, Liverpool—J. Hall, Denton, Lancashire, hat
manufacturer, June 15, at twelve, at the Court, Man-
chester—l. Normington, Bower-green, Yorkshire, stuff
manufacturer, June 25, at eleven, at the Court, Leeds.
CERTIFICATES GRANTED.

R. N. Reeve, Newgate-street, woollen draper, certifi.-
ficate of the second class—A. Hills, Woodside, Croydon,
and Isle of Dogs, Poplar,' oil of vitriol manufacturer, cord-
&tee of the first class—C. Howard, Kiegston,'Surrey, and
Great Tower-street, wine trercbant—W. Caldwell She-
vicgton, Lancashire, coal proprietor, certificate of the
second class—G. Sensor, Fordingbridge, Surrey, apothe-
cary, certificate of the second class—W. Pritchard, Li-
verpool, tea merchant and rice miller, certificate of the
third class, after nine months from April 20—H. Bleack-
ley, Chorltan-upon-Medlock, Lancashire, ironmonger,
certificate of the second class—J. B. Taylor, Liverpool,
commission agent and shipbroker, certificate of the third
class, after 12 months—W. Sharp, Birkenhead, Cheshire
and Liverpool, merchant and ship owner, certificate of
the first class, atter 21 days from May 14—E. S. Howard
and T. Stone, Norwich, builders and blind makers, cer-
tificates of the second class—J. M. Maenzie, Pancras-
lane, warehouseman—R. Titcomb, Highgate, butcher,
certificate of the second class—R. Dodd, Sheerness,
builder. certificate of the second class—A. Dean, Brigh-
ton, clothier and hatter, certificate of the second class—
G. Wakeling, Chelmsford, Essex, auctioneer, certificate
of the second class.
PARTNERSHIPS DISSOLVED.

A. Ritchie, J. Mackay, G. A. Munro, J. Grant, and
J. Grant, Swansea, Glamorganshire, timber merchants
(so far as regards J. Mackay)—A. Ritchie, J. Mackay,
J. Grant, and J. Grant, Newport, timber merchants (so
far as regards J. Mackay)—J. Pyo and L. Nunns, Li-
verpool, emigrant agents—E. Kelly, T. Porter, and
J. Kelly, Liverpool, provision dealers (so tar us regards
T. Porter)—J. Ince and W. C. Meates, Lower Gros-
vernor-place, Pimlico, surgeons—Elizabeth Moore and
Harriett Holt, Pe.tworih, Sussex, dressmakers—F. La-
fuente and J. Webster, Liverpool, merchants—J. Cooper,
J. Cooper, and B. Cooper, bloorgate-street, City, piano-
forte makers (so far as regards B. Cooper)—Ellen Gell
and Sarah Mohun, Hove, schoolmistresees—H. Bellot and
T. H. Glendinning, Levenshulme, Lancashire, manufac-
turers of nankeens—A. Adams and W. G. Allots, Ro-
therham, Yorkshire, shear and blister steel
manufacturers—S. Sparrow and E. Holmes,
Manchester, finishers—G. Mayor and W. H. Seri-
vens, Little Distaff-lane, City, spice dealers
—S. Lloyd and Liewelyn Lloyd, Liverpool, timber
merchants—T. Birtwistle, J. Mercer, jun., R. C. Mer-
cer, and J. Haydock, Great Harwood, Lancashire, cotton
manufacturers (so far as regards T. Birtwistle)—F.
Walling and J. Shovelton, Storring ton, Sussex, tailors—
W. Jenkins and T. Dawson, Cherry Garden-street,
Bermondsey, malleable iron founders—G. Simmons,
jun., and H. Simmons, Milton-next-Gravesend, mast and
block makers—J. Burfill and Marshall Topham, War-
wick-street, Pimlico, painters—J. Wheeler and R. Bad.
cock, Abingdon, Berkshire, linen drapers—A. di Demo-
trio, S. Christodulidi, D. A. di Demetrio, and G. D.
Neroutse, Trieste, Cairo, in Egypt, and Manchester,
merchants (so far as regards G. D. Neroutso).
INSOLVENT PETITIONERS.
J. B. Morphew, Yarmouth, bricklayer.
G. Ripon, Exeter, tailor.

G. Hinves, jun., Southampton, surveyor.
R. Russell, Acle, Norfolk, bricklayer.
H. Yates, Sevenoaks, Kent, grocer.
G. Groutage, Birmingham, spade and shovel maker.
J. Hawkins, Birmingham, wireworker.
J. Sowerby, Messiogharn, Lincolnshire, farmer.
W. Saunders, East Farleigh, Kent, miller.
J. E. Oliver, Maidstone, butcher.

J. Reynallt, Brynmawr, Brecknockshire, innkeeper.
H. Manwaring, Worcester, tailor.

SCOTCH SEQUESTRATION.
J. Burnett, Edinburgh, straw bonnet manufacturer, to
meet within Stevenson's Rooms, Edinburgh, May 28,
and June 18, at three.

ENGLAND.
ight's Gazette.)
7th and Bth of Victoria, cap. 32 for
ay, the 15th day of May, 1852,
PANT= NT.

Government debt •• 11,015,100
Other securities .• • • 2,984,900
Gold coin and bullion 19,785,725
Silver bullion • • • • • • 33,375

of the Master-General of the Ordnance—in consequence
I believe, of an address in the House of Commons; but,
at all events, I am certain that the inquiry took place
at the particular desire of the three principal Minis-
ters of her Majesty—Lord Melbourne; to my cer-
tain knowledge, Sir Robert Peel; and Lord John
Russell. The subject, then, my Lords, has undergone
inquiry and discussion in the office of the Master-Gene-
ral of the Ordnance; that inquiry has been of a very scien-
tific character—(Hear, hear)—and, under these circum-
stance, I do not think inquiry should take place before
your Lordships, the more particularly at it is intended
to ask for the expenditure of a large sum of money. My
Lords, we have heard of money speculations.—(Hear.)
I have heard of persons advancing large sums to this
gentleman, in the hope that he would receive a large re-
ward from the public for this invention. It really appears
to me, therefore, thet this is not exactly a question into
which, under the circumstances, the House of Lords
ought to inquire.—(Hear, hear.) If I had been in my
place on the day when my Noble Friend introduced his
motion, I should have felt it to have been my duty to
have urged upon your Lordships to have before you tho
proceedings which had taken place in the office of the
Master-General of the Ordnance, and afterwards I should
have requested your Lordships to egree to the address I
now ask you to adopt, namely--" That an humble ad-
dress be presented to her Majesty, praying that her Ma-
jesty will be pleased to give directions that there be laid
before this House copies or extracts of any report made
to the Master-General of the Ordnance on the subject of
the inventions of Mr. Warner." My Lords, lam aware
that Mr. Warner has objected to the officers appointed
by the Ordnance to make these inquiries, and particularly
that he has objected to a gallant friend of mine, Sir
Howard Douglas. Indeed, I understand my Noble
Friend (Earl Talbot) mentioned him in this House when
he introduced his motion. Now I beg leave to read to
your Lordships a few words from a letter from this
same gentleman, Mr. Warner, to the Master-General of
the Ordnance, upon this very officer, Sir Howard
Douglas.—(Hear, bear.) He says, with respect to the
appointment of Sir Howard Douglas and Sir Edward
Owen, "I approve of the choice the Government have
made in these distinguished officers."—(Hear, hear, and
cheers.) My Lords, Sir Edward Owen could not attend
on this Committee, owing to his being employed in the
service, but Sir Byam Martin did, and he is an officer
whom your Lordships know to be distinguished for his
services. My Lords, under then° circumstances, I
think it would be advisable to wait until your Lordshipa
have seen what was reported upon these inventions by a.
committee of scientific officers cf the navy and army
appointed by the Master-General of the Ordnance to
consider the expediency of adopting this invention for
the service of her Majesty.—(Cheers.)
The Earl of DERBY observed that he was so far in the
position cf the Noble and Gallant Duke that he also had
been prevented from attending in their Lordships' House
on the day on which the motion was made to refer the
invention, or presumed invention, of Captain Warner
to a Select Committee; and ho would admit that if
he viewed the case in the same light with the
Noble Duke he should have come to the conclusion to
which he (the Noble Duke) had apparently arrived—
namely, that it would not be expedient to enter into a
discussion of the merits of this invention. If, moreover,
he believed that this Committee was moved for as an
appeal against the decision of very competent officers
appointed on the highest authority to examine and re-
port on the inventions, he should have felt as strongly,
as the Noble Duke that nothing could be more inconve-
nient than (and this he said without meaning the slight-
est disrespect to their Lordships) to refer the question
from a more competent to a less competent authority.—
(Hear.) If this was an appeal from that inquiry for the
purpose of obtaining a sum of money from Parliament, he
should be the first to object to the inquiry proposed;
but he apprehended the Noble Duke must he somewhat
misinformed as to the intention with which this Com-
mittee was asked, and the intention with which their
Lordships had granted it.—(Hear, hear.) All the papers
which formed the subject of the address of the Noble
Duke had, he believed, been already submitted to Par-
liament, and there could be no inconvenience arising
from their being reprinted, if the Noble Duke de-
sired their production either before the House or the
Committee.
The Duke of WELLINGTON—Look at the terms
of the motion.
The Earl of DERBY (in continuation) said ho was
quite aware of the terms of the motion, and also that the
Select Committee was appointed to report 'upon Capt.
Warner's inventions and the several matters connected
therewith. But he thought the Noble and Gellant Duke
was still under misapprehension with regard to the ob-
jects of theeeiriqiiiiy, and its terms asked for or granted.
The fact was this—Captain Warner had made, or was
alleged to have made, two very important discoveries..
One, the long range, certainly bad a fair trial, and
was most unequivocally condemned by the parties em-
ployed to examine and report upon it. Here Captain
Warner contended that he had been placed at a dis-
advantage; but be did not ask for another trial or
exhibition of his projectile. With regard to the in-
vention, there could be no doubt whatever that Cap-
tain Warner was possessed of the secret of a highly
explosive power, calculated to produce extraordinary
effects. How the application was to be applied was
another question, and was totally separate from the exclu-
sive compound itself. How far the invention could bo ap-
plied to naval or military operations, or be made avail-
able for aggression or defence, was a distinct question.
The destruction of the vessel, according to the testimony
of the officers present, was more sudden and complete
than could have been had by any other explosive sub-
stance ordinarily used in warfare; but on all previous
oeeAsions Captain Warner had desired, that upon tho
success of his operations being admitted, he should,
without any further inquiry, be paid a large sum out of
the public purse. Such was the proposition made by the
late Sir Robert Peel, but which he had properly and
most justifiably refused to accede to. Capt Warner
now came before their Lordships with a diffeient pro-
position. He was prepared to come before the Select
Committee without requiring any pledge or even under-
standing as to remuneration, and lay before !them the
whole secret of his invention. Under these circum-
stances, he thought it would be hard upon! Captain
Warner to refuse his application. And here let it be re-
membered that the Committee would be composed of
Peers fully able to appreciate the merits of the!explana-
tions which the inventor now offered. The fact and the
evidence now proposed to be produced werel not laid
before the former tribunal, who refused to re4ommend
the payment of a large sum of money for exp4riments,
some of which partially failed, and some of which were
partially successful, and the application of which to any
particnlar purposes of naval or military warfar©& was not
explained on the part of the inventor. He would say
again, that he thought their Lordships would bo dealing
hardly by Captain Warner, whatever might' be tho
merits or demerits of his invention, if he were not afforded
the opportunity he sought of making the proppsed ex-
planations.—(Hear, hear.)
The Duke of WELLINGTON—My Lords, I beg leave
to explain that my Noble Friend is mistaken with respect
to the nature of the commission, or committee, appointed
by the Ordnance to inquire into the inventions. The first
point naturally is, is it an invention at all?—(Hear.) I
say that it is not an invention; and I found that state-
ment on the decision of the Committee. Next, its it effi-
cient for the service? Is it of such a nature that it can
be applied to the service? Can it bo constructed and
formed in our laboratories, or be carried with safety in our
magazines abroad? Could it be carried in safety in our
carriages on land? These were all questions that were
considered by the Committee under the Master-General
of the Ordnance.—(Hear, hear). These, my Lords, are
nice questions for the decision, I think, of a committee of
naval and military officers, and not of a Committee of
your Lordships' House.—(Hear, hear.) The question is
now in the hands of the Executive Goverment, and has
been under a committee of officers; under those cir-
cumstances, your Lordships should refrain from inter-
fering in it, and your Lordships would do well to con-
sider the matter before you appoint the Committee; and
I desire, at all events, that before the Committee enters
upon the subject they should have before them all the
information that can be given.
The Earl of HARDWICKE said the questions brought
before their Lordships by the Noble Duke as proper to
be entered into were such as he himself entirely con-
curred in thinking were most eesentiale. It was certainly
necessary to discover what the secret was (if there was
one), and whether it would be 'available for the public
service. It was to investigate these questions the Com-
mittee was to be appointed. In no former inquiry had
the nature of the mechanism, or the composition to be
,
used in the invention, been described. Captain Warner
had certainly tried some experiments, which he (Lord
Hardwicke) had witnessed
and he had seen a boat most
powerfully constructed blown into fragments not larger
than his arm. But the committee of officers did not
know how this was done; and for tho purpose of dis-
closing this, Captain Warner consented to come before a
Committee of their Lordships, and to state of what the
invention was compoSed. The Committee would be
supplied with all the information available on the sub-
ject, arid could call before them officers whose opinion
would be valuable.
Lord MONTEAGLE said he was the person to whom
Captain Warner—
Lord PINTO—Not Captain, Mr. Warner.
Lord MONTEAGLE—He was the person to whom
Mr. Warner had first applied upon the subject, and the
Iwo great points pressed upon the Government of Lord
Melbourne were the marvellous invisible shell, and the
marvellous " long range," both of which he had been
satisfied were delusive. When Mr. U. Vivian had asked
Mr. Warner if he could blow up the woiks at Gibraltar
—ho said "Oh yes, and the reek too." Now, when a
men said such things as that, surely it amounted to ab-
solute insanity. Now, he considered the appointment
of this Committee upon such a claim would be a most
monstrous and unjustifiable precedent. A Committee
of their Lordships would not be a tribunal comparable
to the committee of general officers who had already
decided on the invention. And even if there were less
doubt than there was as to the valuelessness of the al-
leged invention, he should object to taking the subject
out of the responsibility of the Government. Sir How-
ard Douglas had examined the project and communicated
his opinion against it to the late Sir Robert Peel, who
had replied in the following letter:—
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Earl TALBOT said he had not intended discourtesy
to the Noble Duke in not giving him special notice of
the motion, having placed it on the paper in the ordinary
way. Mr. Warner had not refuted to disclose his invention
on former occasions. It gave him pain to be opposed by the
Noble Duke, but be believed the Noble Duke acted entirely
under a misapprehension. The real fact was that the
invention had never been inquired into at all; and, how-
ever he might be exposed to the ridicule or censure of
the Noble Lords opposite, he declared that ho believed
it ought to be inquired into, and he would do his duty
fearlessly by demanding inquiry. He was quite willing
that the Committee should comprise the Commander-
in-Chief, the Master-General of the Ordnance, and the
First Lord of the Admiralty; but the names he had se-
lected comprised also Lord Combermere, the Marquis of
Anglesea, Lord Hardwicke, the Duke of Richmond,
Lord Saltoun, Lord Seaton, the Duke of Newcastle,
and Lord Ellesmere. After the ridicule which had
been cast upon the inventor as-a charlatan, Mr. Warner
had a right to claim an inquiry to set his character
right; and, as a Peer of Parliament, who had been
charged with abetting an imposture, ho felt that he had
a right to demand the inquiry, especially as he believed
the matter affected the defences of the country.
The Duke of WELLINGTON explained that he bad
not intended to impute any discourtesy to his Noble
Friend, but he,had not seen the notice on the paper. It
was impossible that ho should serve on the Committee,
and ho hoped he should be excused.—(Hear, hear.)
Earl GREY said he thought that, for the reasons
stated by the Noble Duke, the Committee ought not to
be appointed. Ho had been quite surprised to find that
the motion for its appointment, had been carried. All
departments of the Government were continually beset,
by projectors, and if they could obtain the sanction of
some Committee, on inadequate grounds, they would
procure advances of money, as Mr. Warner had al-
ready obtained. IF an inquiry were necessary it ought
to be conducted under the auspices of the Executive Go-
vernment. If their Lordships had fallen into a gross
blunder in consenting to this Committee, lot them get out
of it as soon as they could, and ho therefore recom-
mended that the nomination of the Committee be post-
poned sine die.
The Earl of WICKLOW said the Noble Lord opposite
had lost sight altogether of the difference between the
present and the former inquiries that had taken place.
The inquiries hitherto made had only been to elicit
the operations of the machinery, but there was no power
of going into the merits of the inventions, or of the in-
gredients With which those instruments were prepared.
Now, for the first time, Captain Warner proposed to
state what was the nature and composition of these in-
ventions. The tribunal was, however, objectionable.
Had there ever occurred a single instance in that coun-
try in which the inquiry before a Select Committee had
not become public? Every member of their Lordships'
House had a right to go into that Committee, and put
questions to the witnesses, and do anything but vote.
Could a secret laid before a Committee of that nature be
reserved, or was it not likely that it would soon become
known to the whole world?—(Boar, hear.) If 0000
known in England, it would soon be known in France,
and would be of as much advantage to their enemies as
to themselves. He thought a case had been made out
for inquiry, but agreed with the Noble Earl that it should
be one before a limited number of scientific persons, and
not before a Select Committee. But if there was no
alternative between no inquiry and one before that
House, then he thought it should bo limited to three or
five scientific Peers, and that it ought be to all intents
and purposes a Secret Committee.
The Earl of WINCHILSEA objected to the appoint-
ment of any Committee of Inquiry, believing the whole
affair to be a perfect humbug.—(A laugh.) He thought
the object of most of these projectors and inventors was
to extract a certain sum of money from the country.
The Noble Earl (Talbot) thought that it was a very
great and important discovery, but the simplest manner
of testing it would be to let Captain Warner commu-
nicate with the officers appointed by the Ordnance, who
were the best judges of these matters. He thought it an
extremely inconvenient precedent that these matters
should be brought under the consideration of a Com-
mittee of their Lordships' House.
The Earl of ALBEMARLE did not think the con-
duct of Captain Warner such as to entitle him to any
great consideration from a British Legislature. His
Noble Friend behind him was under a mistake in sup-
posing that these great inventions and experiments were
to be confined to this country. When he (the Earl of
Albemarle) was private secretary to Lord John Russell,
the matter came before him, and they had a siguifi-
tent hint from Captain Warner that if his demands
were not satisfied, his secret might fall into the hands
of those who were the enemies of the country;
and in a pamphlet published by him he found this pas-
sage:—" I now consider. myself a free agent, with full
liberty to go where I please with my inventions, and sell
them to any foreign nation I may think proper." Th©
Noble Earl said on the former occasion that the invona
tions would supersede the Militia Bill. If that were so,
he would say let him sell them to the enemy; provided
he used them at the time of an invasion, he was satis-
fied they would be like the elephants at the battle of
Hydaspes, and prove more terrible to friends than to
foes.—(Hear.)
The Earl of ROSSE did not think the matter was
one for a Committee of Inquiry, and he was not
speaking at random, because he was perfectly familiar
with all those devices, not for the purposes of war, but
for the amusement of large numbers of people. There
was nothing in those experiments that could not be
dono without the least difficulty; without any agent but
common gunpowder. He believed the Noble Earl had
been in a great mew:Lure imposed upon, and that the Go-
vernment officers were not satisfied with what had been
done. Ho was constantly persecuted by projectors of
all sorts, some of whom believed they had discoved
the perpetual motion, and others bringing for-
ward scientific inventions already known; but
the only thing like novelty that was brought before him
was by an Irish Ribbonman.—(Great laughter.) It
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nience and mischief was the result. The motive, of
course, was to obtain employment in the repairs. At
last one man turned approver, and divulged the secret;
but the stipendiary magistrate before whom the state-
ment was made did not altogether like to Fee the experi-
ment tried. He bad accordingly directed the man to
dveasrtierouysede;
perform the operation, and the charge was laid and the
mine prepared, but there was no fuze—that was the
peculiarity; but it was supplied by a mixture of quick
lime, oatmeal, and nitric acid, and in about four or four
and-a-half hours after that mixture was applied the mine
exploded. Upon asking the man where he got his in-
formation, he had succeed©d in tracing it to France. The
only reward the man had,obtained was a free passage
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to American.—(Great laughter, which lasted for some
minutes.) Knowing that the question had been already
investigated—knowing that it had been fully inquired
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was
belonged to the Crown, and not to theirgLeosrde
member ofe theee e G oinvertnee
anxious to do justice to Ma.
meat had pronounced any opinion
of the invention. An inquiry wag upon the merits
a Committee of their Lordships, asked for before
and he did not
coincide with the Noble Earl
that there had been any blunder opposite in thinking
British
pronouncearm
huaepmro armaments.
heoon:mined in acced-
ing to that proposition, nor did
Noble Earl (Winehilsea) that th coincide with the
great humbug. The motion e inventions were a
cer-
tain papers be laid on the table.now made was that
The Noble Earl had
acceded to the postponement of the Committee, reserv-
ing to himself the right of
after the production of the making
the motion again
. Upon that as-
surance their Lordships would, Papers he supposed, rest satisfied
that the Committee would not canted without their
being fully acquainted with
the be
app
" matter, so that there
would be ample ti
me to consider whether it should be
appointed or not.
The Duke of WELLINGTON •
said no doubt the
Master-General of the Ordnance would ca uso such in-
vestigation to be made as the Government might direct.
That was the proper channel for the inquiry, and he had
no doubt it would be made by the Master-General in
such a manner as would • I
prove satisfactory.
The motion was then agreed to.

The Marquis of BREADALBANEMAYNOOTH h
present some petitions on the subject of the
risen to
the grant to
Maynooth,
Earl FITZWILLIAM suggested that the matter
should be postponed till Monday.
The Duke of ARGYLL
protested
n o'clock.
The Earl of DERBY said it would
the rule
being that the House should adjournid
be convenient if
at against
question should
laid down that the same h )
some rule was
__.(A laug • not be asked more than once.
not auxiors that the
The Duke of ARGYLLII waslt it was, the only answer
question should be put at all. One that had been given be-
that could be given
Governmentwas
s had no intention at present of
fore, that the
making a change in the grant to Maynooth. No
Go-
vernmentcould _ore. Circumstances might arise in
process of time Y
compel't'iol-m
a the Government to review the
question, but t
present they had no intention to do so.
he debate, he should be as happy to get
As regarded t
any of their Lordships.
away as Marquisof BREADALBANE s • aid he had a
The
or petitions to present from
great number of thegrant to the College Scotland on
the question
These petitions emanated, in a great measure, from the
members of the Free Church, and others from various
places in Scotland. It was upon the grounds alleged by
the petitioners that he had resisted the Bill, when it
was brought in by the late Sir Robert Peel, to augment
and to place that grant upon a permanent basis. The
objections he had then felt had been since confirmed
and strengthened. . It appeared to him that the grounds
upon which it had been made had totally failed, and
that no good had resulted from it. On the contrary, it
had greatly dissatisfied all classes of their Protestant
fellow-subjects, while it had produced no feelings of
conciliation. He trusted he might entertain those
opinions without entertaining the least hostility
or ill-will towards his Roman Catholic
,_
fellow-
subjects ; and he trusted that in considering those
way
teege
serious objections, those feelings were not an
in
compromised. He could not conceal frome himself that
d, and that
the most serious question had been neglected,
rant should be
if they came to the resolution that that g

withdrawn, the policy of continuing grants to other re-
ligious establishments must be considered. That VMS
the course they must pursue in accordance with justice
and sound policy. It appeared to him that it was not at
all:the province of the State to interfere with the religious
opinions of the people, and that they ought never on that
account to make any distinctions with regard to civil
rights, provided that in that religion there was no prin-
ciple hostile to civil liberty or sound government. But
considering those principles ho thought they ought gra-
dually and judiciously to withdraw all grants given by
the State to those various religious bodies—that they
ought to endeavour to maintain and strengthen the re-
ligion of the State by correcting abuses add enforcing its
efficiency, and, above all, by rendering its ministers effi-
cient teachers of pure Christian faith. That fully
applied to the Established Church is Ireland, which
was overgrown and out of measure with the Pro-
testant population of the country. These were ques-
tions involved in the consideration of the withdrawal of
the grant to :Reynosa)). Viewing it in that light, as a
question forced upon them, seeing that there was a great
anxiety on the part of the Protestants of that country—
seeing that its Protestant principles were compromised
by the grant to Maynooth, he would appeal to the Noble
Earl at the bead of the Government to give a declara-
tion of his opinion and of the policy he deemed it right
the Government ought to pursue in that great, difficult,
and delicate question—(bear, hear)—in order to give
some satisfaction and to remove the doubts which still
existed in the minds of many as to the intentions of the
Government; for although the question had been pre-
viously asked, and n discussion had taken place on the
subject, and although it had been discussed in another
place, still he must say that some doubt and un-
certainty prevailed in the public mind, which
was moat prejudicial to the public interests of
the country, and most inconsistent with the
representative system which in that country had been
established. It appeared to him, that whoever undertook
the responsibility of a Government, and was placed at its
head, should have his principles ready for their applica-
tion upon all the great questions which agitated the
public mind, and that he should have a decided course
of policy marked out as that which he should pursue.
Without that qualification ho maintained that there
could be eo real government of the country, but it
would be left to this or to that wind, and it would be
impossible to know how to steer the vessel of the State.
It was only consistent with their representative system
that there should be no concealment of the policy of
the Government. Having made these remarks without
any feeling of hostility to the Government, • he'
hoped, the Noble Earl at its head would explain to the
country the principles which he meant to apply and the
policy he intended to pursue with regard to the grant
and the Acts at present regulating the College for Ro-
man Catholic priests at Maynooth.
Tho Earl of DERBY would find no difficulty in an-
swering 'the question of the Noble Marquis, because the
present was the third time, and he hoped it might be the
lasts in which he had answered the same question.
—(Hear, hear, and laughter.) What he bad stated
was, that her Majesty's Government had no present
intention of making any alteration, or proposing
any repeal of the existing law by which the endowment
of the College of Maynooth was authorised. He did not
consider that upon that which appeared to be the views
of the Noble Marquis himself and those of many persons
in Scotland there could be any difference of views or
questions of policy for that Government to grant an en-
dowment to persons of a diff3rent religious persuasion
from themselves. He did not sympathise with, or adopt,
the views of the Noble Marquis and the petitioners, be-
cause he considered the question of the endowment of
the. College of Maynooth purely a question of policy,
and, as a question of policy, the Government was free to
act as the circumstances of the time might justify, with-
out reference to any specific principle of right or wrong,
• bat merely acting for the public welfare, for the main-
tenance of the public peace and the well-being of the
country in general, and considering merely, what was
eoliths and wise. The Government must be left at full
liberty to act with regard to the College of Maynooth
upon these principles, and he repeated there was, on the
part of her Majesty's Government, no present intention
of interfering with the grant.
Lord BEAUMONT could not reconcile the answer of
the Neble Earl opposite with the course of proceeding
which had been adopted in the other House of Parlia-
ment, and with the sanction of her Majesty's Govern-
ment. The Noble Earl expressed his intention of not
interfering with the grant to the College of Maynooth,
which he staid he considered to be a question of policy.
How could that statement be reconciled with the consent
given by her Majesty's Ministers in another place to
commence an investigation—not into a question of mere
policy, but into a question of principles and practices?
If the Noble Earl intended to make no alteration in the
grant, and had made up his mind on the point, how
could the ,Government " consent to the formation of a
Committee which was to rake up the whole subject,
particularly when they were resolved that, whatever the
report of that Committee, they were determined to make
no alteration in the present condition of the college? He
(Lerd Resuinont) agreed with the Noble Earl (Derby)
that it was a question of policy. He begged also to remind
the Noble Earl of his words on a former occasion, when
the additionel grant was under debate, and when the
esnablesEarl, in supporting it, said, " Such a course was
required by the 'policy of this country, and it did not
matter whether the party on whom the boon was to be
conferred accepted it with gratitude or ingratitude. The
policy of this country was straightforward; and it being
right to make the grant, they would do so without look-
ing to the results."—(Hear, hear.) The object of the
grant in his (Lord Beaumont's) opinion was to give edu-
cation to persons who intended to become Roman Ca-
tholic, priests. It happened that in Ireland a large por-
tion of the population was Roman Catholic, and as long
as that was the case one of the necessary requisites was
anertaie number of Roman Catholic priests. Now the
population should either pay for the education out of
their own pockets of those persons whom they intended
should fill the office of priest, or else the Government
should pay for them. Government, wisely, on a prin-
ciple of policy, undertook to relieve them from the bur-
den; and having undertaken that burden, he (Lord
Beaumont) maintained that Government had nothing
further to do with the college than to see that it
carried out the principles for which the grant was
made. He maintained that the College of Maynooth
had strictly fulfilled these purposes; that it had educated
persons for the Roman Catholic priesthood, and for no-
thing else. It confined its education to that object; and,
in other words, it minutely fulfilled all the objects of the
grant. Now, there were visitors oppointed to the col-
lege, who confined their reports to a number of simple
questions, and did not go further into the result or na-
ture of the system of teaching. They merely put ques-
tions as to whether certain conditions were complied
with, and hitherto the answers to those questions showed
that they had been complied with. Government, then,
having that information, it was not its business to far-
ther investigate the results of these books and doctrines
on the minds of the scholars. All that was done at
Maynooth was merely what was done at any other col-
lege where persons were educated for the Roman Ca-
tholic priesthood ; and therefore further investi-
gation was, in his opinion, not alone uncalled
tor, but also dangerous and improper. Yet it was to
a motion of this nature that her Majesty's Govern-
ment had, in the other House of Parliament, con-
sented. He could well imagine a motion brought for-
ward on the broad and intelligible question as to
whether it was right or wrong that the grant should be
allowed by this country. That would be a legitimate
subject of inquiry. But as long as her Majesty's Go-
vernment maintained that it was right and proper that
the grant should be continued, so long as that *as the
case, so long was it their duty to resist unnecessary t
in-
vestigations on the subject.—(Hear.) What benefit
could result from the investigation ? The Committee
might examine witnesses and ;receive evidence
class-books were read which contained not t
hmostthat
delicate morality, and which allowed a
l wide scope CO
conscience in matters of loyalty and feeling
be thattoeeling h
such
country. But after all, the answer
when C
-
a
was part and parcel of the education ofall Roman
tholic priests. Her Majesty'sMinistersw consented,
they made the grant, to 'the continuance of these books
as class-books. The question, therefore, resolved itself
into this, that Ministers were now pledged to the very
-e system of whicheducation prevailed at Maynootte
(Hear.) Because, when they. made the grant they
did so with their eyes open, and the course of study was
now the same as previously.—(Hear, hear.) Such being
the case, to come forward now with an investigation ap-
peared to him—he did not mean it offensively—like
sneaking out of the question for the purpose of avoiding
it. If there was a feeling on the question at all, it was
as regarded the grant. That was the question that agi-
tated the country, and which, therefore, should be consi-
dered. Half measures would never succeed. As every
constitutional matter in this country was a thing of com-
promise, so also should the question of the endowment of
.Maynooth College be considered as a question i
ofa .caomit-
promise. Therefore, the Noble Earl opposite
n
was not his intention to Alter his policy
to wards Masyynloogth,
and permitting the appointment of a Committee to inves-
tigate the course of education in that college at the same
time, was doing one thing in that Rouse and undoing it
in the other. It was decidedly a course of compromise,
and compromise of that description was very unworthy
and unbecoming.
The Earl of DERBY should repeat his declaration
that it was not the intention of her Majesty Govern-
ment at present to alter or interfere with the grant.
However, he did not wish to be understood as saying
that, whatever might be the result of inquiry, the Go-
vernment would not effect charge or alteration. He tie
not state that, whatever the result of inquiry as to the
system of education practised at Manooth, or the ap-
plication of the funds granted by Parliament
for the
esup-
port of that system—he did not say such
that
would not alter the policy of her Majesty' Government
disclosures
would isclosur
with regard to the grante—(Hear, hear.) Neither could
he (the Earl of Derby) adopt tb
° expression of the
education of Roman
Noble Baron opposite., that if,
Catholic priests, doctrineswe in the
re inculcated subversive of
loyalty or inconsistent with morality,
it was not a matter
_y
for the Crown or Parliament to
admitted that in these interfere with.—(Hear,
hear.) He (the Earl of Derby)
(Lord Beaumont)
oppositewas
himself; and, therefore, if he should
points the Noble Barore
butter informed than
find that the Noble Bmaarottnerhaathdativheen(athme
Borerlcoofrrpecetrbryei
presentation of these
to entertain, he should say it
was heretofore disposed n,
would have a very material effect in altering hie views
with r
OT egardn. —to the policy and the principles of the grant
L
Thear.)
inquestio (Elestr
d BEAUDIOi explained. He never asserted
that the doctrines taught at Maynooth were subversive
of loyalty or morality. He said there were class.books
teem which passages might be extracted not favourable
to loyalty or morality. But then these passages should
be read with others that followed them. Surely in the
Protestant Church the persons educated for the clefY
did not confine their reading to one side of the question.g
..The Bishop of OXFORD should say there were no
bo6ka read by the clergy of the Church of riughind

The Bill was then read a second time, and referred
the manner proposed.
ECCLESIASTICAL JURISDICTION Buffs
PROTESTANT DISSENTERS BILL. .61
These Bills were severally read a third time
'—
passed, and their Lordships adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, May 21.
HOME-MADE SPIRITS.
epee
lir. REYNOLDS said he had a motion on the P
for to-night, to the effect "that this House do resoly;
itself into it Committee, to take into consideration tPt,
present mode of levying the duty on home-made sPiri
in bond," and he should be glad to know if Govern'
meat intended to oppose it, because if they did it 051
not his intention in the present st4te of public busine'
to persevere with it.—(Hear, hear.)
The CHANCELLOR. of the EXCHEQUER said he
could certainly not rvccmnaend the Hon. Gentleman
to
make his motion at this advanced period cf the see'
sion—(A laugh)—but if the Honourable Gentlee3:3o
made up his mind to proceed with it, he should w:thA
great respect tell him what course Government
to pursue when the question came properly before the
House.—(A laugh.)
The motion, that the House at its rising do au.l°l3r
till Monday, was then agreed to.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.
A megsenger from the Lords brought u the „Oa'
p
reed:
named Bills, to which their Lordships had agreed:
An Act to remove doubts as to the'coristitution ofi%
bishopric of Christchurch, ill Xew Zeilund• gia"