The Sun.
London, England, 1855-03-01 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—YESTERDAY.
The SrEAILER took the chair shortly after 12 o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Executor and Trustee Society Bill ; the Great
Nerthet:n Railway (Church and Schools at Doncaster)
Bill, and the Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton
_ -(lrnprovements and Branches) Bill, were read a second

the motion' for the ,liecorids reading of the West-
tenter - Improvement Bill, a disCussion arose as to
•'4illether the additional 'powers asked for by this bill
' should be intrusted to what might be called "Bankrupt
Companies."
Mr. PARSER moved that the bill be read a second
- time that day six months.
After a short conversation, the house divided, when
. there appeared—
For the second reading lB
Against it
Majority... —l2
The bill was then read a second time, as was also the
• Westminster Land Company's Bill.
PETITIONS.
Mr. MUNTZ presented a petition from Birmingham
against the Public Health Bill.
Mr. BROTHERTON presented a similar petition
from the National Gas Company.
Mr. A. STAFFORD presented a petition from Emma
• - 'Allan, who claimed the consideration of the house in
consequence of the death of her husband in the Black
Sea, his vessel being lost, Captain Christey having re-
fused to admit it into the port of Balaklava.
*re COWAN presented a petition from Glasgow,
praying that estop might be put to the distillation from
grain during the present price of corn.
- TEA DUTIES.
4
Mr. WILSON gave notice that he will move to-mor-
row 'that. the house, go into committee on the Customs,
itls-fiseYlOW
,of passing i resolution to arrest the fell
• of the die on tea:
'.PITULAR ST kTES
„EP4SCOP,AL CA
ahe Marquis, of ,BLANDFORD moved the second
•ve. „yea,ijilg of this bill. The noble lord contended that thehouse
. . was bhund to prornote.the efficiency of the Church of Evg-
,- ...land, which was a trust committed. to us from genera-
• tiOiVtQ generation . -it was highly necessary -that the
eeSstilittecitestiotticts be--extended by the creation' of new-
a;-3 -'parishes AIM the' erection' of - new buildings; and that
t -•
CAYshinlet be °Weed- bY'is-juidiciosse distribution of
eeclesiast4c,aleerelntties .T.hteeelsillew.ould further that ob-
ject by inakiegeehangeleess-thestuatkagensent of Episcopal.
and Capitutai•Etatee. -With regard-to episcopal property
he proposed thlt-irellibuld remain absolutely vested
'-"Whe -Eitateil4C-onirnisg76bers, in order that the process
`23 Lisf-erifehnhhieOnentAholdd he carried on' as'efairly and
estperlitilmSly-'e4 pbeiitifele -The 'Eteleeia.stical Commis-
sioners would be required to enter into an agreement
'' `1 itliVeach 'hi4hOp for'tite• pe.yinent of 'he annual sum
equivalent to the incense. of' the see. With regard to.
"chapters, -the' bill' proposed ithate after a per iod sufficient.
s-* tte-bring_ the -estates 'into a rack-rent manageinent„,
j --etfere'eheuld ebeean apportionment of property stif-
• flefent to -yield an income necessary to
tie-
fray the cathedral expenses, and - that, property should
'lfeabeeltitely- vested- in' the Chapt. These were the
main provisions of the bill, and he ,appealedl-6 the house
4"'it Wan:real its-pribcipte; 'bedauge avae'ealcCated to con-
fer lasting benefit upon"theeconetrySe
',"l-I;"Aire:l4.'l,lDb4ELL emoted that the bill be read a:
"1" Sidoied•time this day Hiss monthly as he thought it would
_inflict injostiee upon the'Clittrei,•evithcut conferring any
tt. "licttarttsage-Upbn the connery. The bill embraced the
• ediftialishfibn ,piinciple which was the peculiar • elm-
` "km,riOtetistie 'off- niodetelegislation; but `which the public
u"sittaii ighodwn its aversion:- to sin a most UneqUivocal
o.""tifiatineree Tuthisernain, objection to the hill was this : it
*emL-Leicitikr ingliettgreat injoetice upon,euch dioceses as Disr-
-by Eight fatty it leased abstract from its re ieen mite 'for the
well? 'Ake oressealisingthe itscometetatless populous 'and less
ziecessitona sees. The property ..olthss dlffereet cathe-
e. cs 4"drale'leas mut general property, = applicable 'generally.o
Clittrohe but leas -property created for the ittsinediate
. benefit of- ,the :districts in, which it was situated, - and,
tnemAlterefoten ,this bill; while-it -would apply to the Church
'i•l4 tertetctoual principle Of centralisation, -would let the
Afamestimeinfringethe sacred: rights of property. The.,
-0.4" bill *as-framed in a spirit contrary to that of the Con-
•t-c was fraught with danger to the Church, and
raj- s°' he hoped the house:would reject it. - •
• ' HEADLAM said the time'had arrived when- it'
was the duty of the house to take some decisive step
i" -With regard-to this ,bill. Twice had it been before the
house, and as often had the house affirmed the.second
reading without any serious intention of going on with
_ I it:" Now that -mode of proceeding was discreditable
-titi -.'the house; -and since there seemed every
pospect- cf that course. being taken in the present
• niateatee, he-should certainly vote for the amendment.
falls subject ivasiar too ditensive a one to be dealt with.
- bYrprivate member ;it should be taken up by the Ccise
--_;vdrumeilt, and although he thbught much credit was
, due to the noble lord who had introduced this bill tois
tlfe Interetit lie had in it, -he would yet recommend
eeee-Leset-ti4ensble laid to leave, the subject in the hands of the
'Oovettnexent. Besides, he objected to allowing so exten-
, sire a'propeity as that dealt with by this bill-being under
e'"-4"." dentiol of the three gentlemen 'who composed the
-4iChurCleEstates Commiseion. He should prefer seeing_it
• ;4.--`"splated-ire the management of some portion of the Exes
e""14"-setitiv'e; Who should be responsible to Parliament for their I
• e'li" proceedings; If the Government would come forward
with a scheme of that sortetaking care of local interests,
:14" hethotight-it would be the best thing that could be done
" --e-ssit- certainly he could not assent to a bill that trans-
' 'ferred the -property of the Church to an almost irrespon-
-e- --nib's- board.
. Mr. INGHAM argued that there-was no necessity for ,
eStellirthet legislation on this subject, because sufficient time
net been yet allowed for testing the operation of the j
measurepassed some two years ago for regulating -the
managernent of Church property.
iLIDDELL lamented the absence of Ministers
' " • while 'a' subject- of such great national importaace as
this was being discussed. The bill met with similar
en- etreatment last yeare and he -thought-it ought to be re-
'"*" .--"jePted'altOgether, -or the debate ought-to be 'adjourned.
▪ te • 4uatil it 'should suit -the-Convenience:of: the Government
:---to-attends- ' '
• - - -11,Ia IL- HERBERT. thought -the-complaint of the
• s tote-ineMber was quite-uncalled-for, because it, was no-
; - terious'that _lVlinistere were engaged elsewhere In de-
Seleing sinealsuies ' for remedying the' defects which had
characterised the piet:minagernent of the war, and corn-.
*--Tibtihrtile/VciferAment.- •
-'!• A tf• 'Sir 'HALL had been = requested by the Seems
tary of State'for 'the 'Home Department to state' is
ry.v,i wiVriegard to this measure. His right hon. friend
rolucfs;tvad,aiikioitstthat the second reading of • the bill should
e ~4%%iipa.slf! upoir 'the (=ler st an din g that the committee should
:,-,;•-lvelirostp-Oned until the commission now sittingon the
shbjeet presented its report.
• " • Mr.-11.A.DFIELD insisted -that the Church of Eng-
land at present constituted was it great Abuse. It'
monopolised a large amount-Of property without fulfil-.
• TUng!the dutiee.which it imposed ou theOhurchs. In fact
'the Chuecheenfe represented the minority. of the people ;
- and there ought to be a redistribution of the • property,
06 till- the spiritual wants, of the wake:ln:tight be fairly
.priivedid for.
16tr..P0014ER bad never heard a snore-revolutionary
sisiech:thatethat esf the winter for. Sheffield ; hiet
eseee
ha bt3ggpd toetell 'the hoes. member that the prop?,rty'of.
...the Chnrch was just as,. wiirthy of respect, and pet as
14" sacred, as.ttiat of any Prissate. insfivideal. (pear, hear)
rylpi toia-ti): the is ;he •Apyiveii of its prieciple; but
41-" "75e iff_eret ;Alt ame of its details. 'tie would never,
ow aIIOW lOcAl-finide to he dierted.frOrn ,sup-
lilyinelhed wants, and in that respect the bill must be
.•
-amended. -
The' Maequis, of BLA.. DFORD said.the proposal. of-
:7 *the-hOn.-Meniber-for Sheffield was preposterous ; but-he
-rose more to reply to the suggestion of 'the Government
• than to notice the remarks 'of the hon. member. He
had no objection to accede to the suggestion of the
• Government ; and if the house assented to the second
• ireadjiege he-would postpone tho , committee until Wed-
„ seiday,, the 3d of May. = .
Mr. T.-DUNCOMBE was afraid that if the speech of
eses etheisleon. member for .§beffield, was revolutionary, the
a,l•. etseepbrit7, cf th'ePeople of this country were in a state of
ere, miceOletioa;. for they Aare& in his sentiment's, while
so far from his propOsal being PrePosterous, as was
asserted ,by.the noble lord, he thought it was perfectly
fair and reasonable. The property of the Church was
public iitoiSertjt,,44ad drighb.lteelie' equitably and judi-
ciously managed, which it certainly was not at present,
„or the spiritual wants of the great mass of the people
. -would-be-better provided for. . .
Mr. COWPER was at a loss to understand the course
.'s'itiorsued bythe hon. member who had just sat down
• -*sad the hon. 'member for Sheffield, because they were '
'24 *•"t"l'mekus- advocates for the - reform of abuses in the
"'ciamebele, and yet they opposed a bill which might remove
sm" pf the: ehtisios. . ow, that certainly appeared to
- si 14•10119 inestemtra Nordinar'Y conduct, and he confessed
14pc_ctu14,no.t understand
i .he
k) • Mr. j-I,4l,MeEsie said
reaqtng of this .e should support the second
"Jr
the hope that it would be altered
in committee. approved entirely of its principle,
hoard,
but tleoughteits details
`Teeight_ be,
'gen'tleman
."'fied in.•cornmittee.on, gentleman pointed out
:e:..e‘ieral points for the ponsureita ta
di 0 ab
to committee.sevenb
ills
• Mr. WIGRAM- said there
;passed, and yet he was Ault& at understand
a most
they
how these estates were situated, as
COnditibn. Whilst ohjectingane a general rule
r.
‘"tOnthe.managenaent of large estates by a central
Land scheme
the. same
time he lied no ob.
second reading of the bill,
jecti©n to vote for the
epee _on
4the, principle that something ought to be done, if the
limo should wish it to be so read. He thought a
• scheme which should confide the management of these
estates to Joe:al commissions under proper supervision
•lereuld be far preferable.
Mr. R. PHILLIMORE objected to any legislation
,e en ,this ground, while a commission was engaged in
evidence and making inquiries upon which
▪ legislation might be safely founded. This was his prin-
abjection ;. but he could not on other grounds core
e, smut to give his support to the proposed measure.
„.2re Joig. .MOWBRAY said, here was a bill to which both
aides of the lionse dissented, more or less. Its provisions
..,,iiejlAacl.peett considered by the Government ; in fact, it was
, 910,0h4the Government entertained some objections to
i."044.13t.; gow, then, could the house-consent to allow the
e„..etecond reading to pass ? • For his own part he thought
ethe hill,had'been much improved, but he did not think
leseeethatthe hon. gentleman who had supported it on the
!sreaeseinciple that something ought to be done would
• * laLthaft far as to say that all episcopal and capitular
•otime IM PlO7 ih0A4.14 *ministered upon 14 Byetoni of con-

tralisation. He thought it was quite nn-Parliamentary,
knowing that-they could not act upon their vote of to-
day for at least three months, during which time other
and better measures might be introduced, to pledge them-
selves to the principle involved in this bill ; and so far
as he was concerned he should vote against the second

reading.
Lord R. GROSVENOR advocated the second read-
ing of the bill. After the house had affirmed the prin-
ciple of the bill in a former oration ; and, after the at-
tention bestowed upon the subject by his noble friend
(the Marquis of Blandferd), and the number of times
he had.brought it forward before the house, he thought
the house ought to agree to the second reading of the
bill. He at all events trusted that the house would not
stultify itself in the course it might adopt.
Mr. A. PELL A.TT having offered a few observations
in favour of the necessity for legislation on this subject,
Mr. BARROW and Mr. MIALL spoke against the se-
cond reading.
Sir J. DUCKWORTH explained briefly the grounds
on which he should vote for an adjournment.
The house then divided on the question of the ad-
journment of the debate, when the numbers were
Ayes
Noes lO2
Majority --31
The motion was consequently lost.
Mr. HADFIELD, amidst loud cries of divide, divide,
and some interruption, said he should move the adjourn-
ment of the house unless he could have a fair hearing.
The hon. gentleman then proceeded to reply to some ob-
servations which had fallen from the hon. member for
Liverpool, which he considered were of a personal
nature.
The house then divided on the motion that the bill be
read a second time. The numbers were—
Ayes
Noes

102
E 6
. --36

Majority
The motion was consequently carried.
The bill was then read a second time, and ordered to
he committed on the 23d May.
SPIRITS (IRELAND) ACT AMENDMENT BILL.
Mr. J. V. SCULLY, at the request of the Govern-
inent; postponed the second reading of this bill for a
fortnight.
TENANTS COMPENSATION (IRELAND) BILL.
Sergeant SHEE also postponed the second reading of
this. bill until the 14th April.
INTRAMURAL BURIALS (IRELAND) BILL.
The second reading of this bill was also ordered to
stand over.

COMMONS INCLOSURE BILL.
This bill wa4 read a third time and passed.
- 'UNION 'OF 'BENEFICES.:
Mr. FREWEN obtained 'leave to bring in a bill to
alter and amend the law in relation to this-subject.
ARMY- BEFORE SEBASTOPOL COMMITTEE.
'Oa the motion of Mr.. BENTINCK that.the Tiame of
Sir George Tyler be, substituted for that of Sir G.
.Cornewall.Lewis on this committee.
Captain
,SCOBELll.briefly maintained the necessity
.of a np,val officer• being upon ithe committee, •
Mr. 'ROEBUCK. explained' the principle on which the'
committee ba• . been constituted, namely;that the Go-
•OromentSlitotild nominate six members, and that lie
himself should name _seven, making a total of thirteen
members. • Now, as
.the right hon. iQntleman, tii
C-. C. LewiA); who 'was amongst thoAe chosen, had
ceased to be a member of-the 'house, and • consequently-.
.of the committee, he (Mr. Roebuck) was. anxious

to give the. Government the' opportunity of naming the
other hoo., member, in order to preserve the balance .of
the committee. .The hon. gentleman after combating the
idea that ,it was absolutely essential to. have, a naval
.officer in. the committee, ,said he should
,oppose the
motion.; _
After a short discussion,
The hotse divided on the question, when the numbers
were—
Ayes •
- • 74-
' • Noes': 1 B7
Majority
• The motion was consequently lest.,
Mr. ROEBUCK then proposed that the -name of Sir
John Hannier be-ad.ded,to the committee, but

There being some.. objection, manifested, and it being
now close upon six o'clock,, the hon., gentleman post-.
poned his motion until to-morrow.
Tfie Othqr, motions of the day having been disposed
of, the hoise adjourned.