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conntY he represented, for the poor-law rating was so
c- ", and umatistantory. --f.,y 11,A I::Lit..-1 nr•-
44eY e
.too •
have so'iet systeunatieltis actfi)rui oYsl•e:n 11,•
troit,,„A They had therefore adopted the.' system ot
10,1/1
---hand rating, and although the Hoe. Baronet, the
'heather for Leurionderry, had sail thAt it svaa attended
with_ each' expenEe, yet hem believed that the cesspiteers
f°
t, cue thensseivee greatly relieved by it, and it
1,81" them every satisfaction."He would further re-
the House -that n- Committee of 1-Lin•mrattle
re
nThers sat on this q liaison, and that Committee re-
Dattleale3 a just ann uniform syseetn of valuation all,
aver Ireland to be taken under the coginz *nee of some
r
I:6PPetabk officer, and not under the authority of the
oor.ta
Guardians. The present measure was there-
Lore ta +V.
„ tee carrying. out of that report, nod he therefore
tear,wAY supported it.
'tr. NORREYS said the Hon. MEMber had forgot
.o state,
that in 1846 a Bill was introduced and passed
• enneequence of the recommendation of that 02
bapratee, and which had proved a complete failure,. The
esent measure was ten attempt to remedy the evils en-
tailed ,
the
ley that measure, tut as it was changed tit*? whole
ettreuc systems of valuaaon in Ireland, he would impress
ale the Noble Lord, the Secretary for Ireland, the-pro-
ittz'tettY of not proceeding with it this session; as but few
- Bigt Members could be present, to join in the discussion
tel.fre-,* Re mentioned that the average scale of prices
- "Posed to be taken by the measure for the purposes of
lalnation. was too low.
;Lord NAAS explained that the scale of agricultural
riljrTl was taken from the return of the prices of such
;avenueProd was
at 40 markets for the last three yours, which
the average prices of 6,000 markets.
average DENHAM NORREYS maintained that the
---e'erage prices taken were below what these returns
lea-°wed, and, as a proof that they were by far too low,
Z.!. Griffith, the officer, who took the scale of valuation
belcee in 1846, had stated, that his scale was 25 per cent.
„ow the average prices, but the scale of prices now
t'oten was 25 per cent. below his.
Mr, NAPIER said that the measure had been intro-
ducede last session of Parliament by the late Government,
tbat from the late period of the session at which it was
troduced, it was found necessary to postpone it.
, aring the progress that Bill made, some objections
ha ring
been made to it, and the great object had been in
framing the present measure to obviate those objections.
The objections which ,had now been raised did not at
all affect the principle .of the measure, and he thought,
tierefore, that the better time for arguing them would
ft been when the measure went into Committee.--
e,!tlr, hear.) The first objection was, as to the ex-
ince• Now, the great portion of that expense was
;..nurred in consequence of appeals, while the greater
ether of those appeals were not followed out. In Tip-
perary' the expenses of appeals amounted to about-20.
- acre, hut out of 533 appeals lodged there for-the
eeettiber sessions, only 12 were persisted in,
the, and only
hash trifling alterations were made. These appeals.
thg been made, the valuation had to be assessed, so
p at all the expense of that was thrown away by the ap-
e;!ls not being persisted in. That expense was, how-
eetr, got rid of by the present Bill, which was founded
bulge principle of a uniform valuation for the whole of
te'd• under the tenement system, taken so far as lands
cure concerned, on a scale of agrinultural prices, averag-
erroc° 14 years to 14- years. That he conceived to be
Ne fairest system that could be adopted; and, while in
tee"kitteeethe Government would bs ready to listen to
teettsuggestions. He hoped the +House would now con-
mt° the Bill being read a second time.
tal r;eB' CRAWFORD said that this was the best
thou `ton Bill ever introduced to that house, and if
to :oh_ were objections in detail, they could be ditpesed of
thetr, mittee. One of the advantages of this Bill was,
(?xpretewaitt Upon one uniform principle. He begged to
% hope that it was still the intention of the Ge
ernment t
leverages ° bring in a Bill to settle the question of
Col eteiritTerence to agricultural prices.
considered CVDON- supported the amendment, as he
forward "tie Pf'ried at -which athe Bill was brought.
Ireland 48 not being an opportune one. Members for
be
were likely soon to leaver for -Ireland, and this
ae4,B°, be thought it would not be fair to: those Hon.
itehiers to proceed with this Itlill in their absence.
the "L"' WHITESIDE said that the House was asked in
nlonth of May to abdicate its l'unctions, because Hon.
thcembers for Ireland were about to leave this country
htreland. The Bill was mood and sensible—under it
ation of land would be made at three farthings
ell acre,ve whereas the valuation (lost 4d. an acre. No
~ho objection had been urged agt,inst the Bill.
it'll% GROGAN supported the Bell, and suggested that
could be quickly got through at a morning sitting.
ePtain JONES objected to morning sittings of the
Ittnie, at which he thought a pewit deal of bad Legis-
senre took place.. He suggested that the Bill should be
et
si, hteSelect Committee.
YOUNG was favourable ito the Bill, and Bug-
_Que.
m. that it should be persevered, in.
gateett,Y. SCULLY objected to lueity legislation in re.
itier the question involved in the measure before the.
Peet,ac. He contended that this Bill had a political Ba-
wl end he believed it would have the effect, if its dea
eatesrwere carried out, of disfranchising thousands of
hhi t Fie objected to fixing the rate of valuation upon
ettae! er average than was warranted by the facts of the
late' and he contended tho valuation under the poor-
ta,_,Ptinciple was not a just one. ,There was, howee er,
it'r-1411 the Bill, and he should, therefore, suggest at
aetVeferred to
a a Select Committees, in order to its being
47,,,coraplete measure.
to rel NAAS was glad to hear tient there was, in fact,
objection to the principle of the Bill before the
trve if the arguments of his two Hon. Friends op-
- jittteheawere to have effect, it would. amount to this, that
Z:Znould not attempt to have a uniform legislation in
thetniat4"--(Elear.) Re was not pledged to the details of
Could measure; and if it could be shown that the clauses
1114 lie be ado amended,, be should not object..
Chat, . .ought it right to say that- he intended, if pos-
er
oarry the Bill that session.
4.f er a Lew words from Mr. CLYeIMENTS,
The Rouse divided, When here appeared—.
For the Second reading „,„ 89
Against it •-• 6
•• ••• •••
Majority —B3
on PATENT
tele the order LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
of the day for reading this Bill a second
Vett COWANei, tv suggested that it should be referred to
beta t Committee.. Amongst other results of the mean
terfehtee prerogative of the Crown would be much in-
toaated with. By the 17th section certain official per-
Dosages were to be appointed commissioners fcir the par-
leesectf administering the law. The duty of these com-
et, toners Would be to appoint an examiner or examt-
teeresr!° whOm every application for a patent should be
'tete He wished, to know was it wise that such-an
et,ntive Power should be referred to any subjecteano
ladi:or what his position? He objected, also to the
lead beeause it would transfer from the Courts of Scot-
eeeti'.--aild Ireland also—to Westminster Hall, all pro-
preeinge arising out of letters patent. The Bill farther
heats
to extend, by a tarries of payments, the law of
;rots to the three kingdoms.; as well as the Channel
snap, but omitted the colonies. • On all these grounds
Of ,"ku 011 ght it would be better to defer ithe consideration
the Bill to the nest session. . •
WARLEY said that great evils resulted from the
:snit system, :and, therefore, there ;ought to be an
esteration in the law. He was in favour of sending the
hill to a Beltet Cemtnittce, and having preczical men
exannieed.—(n-ur. hear.) The class of•witnessea exe-
Mined Odom the Committee of the Lords was eueh
as could give the most valuable itiformati oil. I; seemed
to him that the patent laws should bo assimilated to the
Principle of copyrieht.
1 Bhould mike no matter whe-
ther a man impressed the image ot his mind on iron,
wood, or paper; in, either Cate, his invention should be
Protected. In France, Belgium, and the United States,
It man could secure protection 'for less than 101.; why
ahottlO not thesntne be the_ case in this country ?--(Wear.)
4... Mr. BROTHERTON thought that sending this Bill
a Select Committee would have the effect of post-
ipollilag it to another session. He had been assured by
"OEN' influential constituents that they approved of the
1141, and he, therefore, was prepared to support the EC..
e°,llMcirt.er STUART say that his view did not at
all• correspend with that of the Hon. Member for Fins-
*Jury (mi. waiday), in assimilating this law with that
sa~however, had not been
etently investigated.cect
n: was not prepared to ahro-
lyriglit. The subject,
sate theof this country; and it struck hint
that, betweenasent state of the law and the ex-
tre the presen.
11. rile remedy pointed out by the Hon. Member for
many intermediate points which
NI" there were u (mt. Stuart) particu-
hoht well be considered. Bill, the effect
of objected to the 27th clause ° owtatrhos‘
for discoveries
rekr lob would be to annul all rewards d
Hon. Friend (Mr.
tleittt„tlie iMplored of his -
*eat ex) not to press through Rightwith
might
shßt Bill is ie
aas the,fra
fruitful
°f aitetsicn. If he did, the result
case
of
wills,
°Yelice as the amended law thetil.th, and in mese.
sue h Was also hurried through wi • the land, were
le a -56chof which the cleverest lawyers hi
the ally as regarded the construction
He
itleire-reiteb°Ped hia Right Hon. Friend would
ofn wills.o tresist
Air; ile,4,,,Select Committee. ann„ should
kn 'd it was right the
___
ow
that th' said
he same Bill 04 was
before both la la was substantially t h
last session. It
received the
souses of Parliament in t
where a greatareful consideration of thee House of Lords,
The Bill the deal of evidence had been taken last year.
be commons, and
was es, • 11 clinle down to the House of
8-'es4slitten43elLit back to the Lords; and, he should. say,
h •
41rIng to d •
had lasted a few days longer, instead of
the I eat with the measure just now, it would be
the 2a;trhofithe the
With the exception of
af ause• there was not a single clause or prove-
tne gal .
th enclatl had against which the Hon. and Learned
e urged an objection. On the contrary,
Ilene n. and Learned Gentleman had amused the
bet 4:tytith. long dissertation on the subject of wills,
eaeept
tloWills and patents had to do with each, other,
order heeeat both subjects happened to stand upon the
et "h for t • • ho (Sir. Henley) was utterly
the
a I°6B to to-night,
hear.) Jae_ comprehend.--(Hear, Certainly
greater,. rierable Gentleman had dwelt at Much
u thethree—rte,nrttle upon the question of the law of wills
measure more immediately before the
cernett
,eittear, hear.) So far an the 27th clause witetcon-
it had' nowever, he was perfectly ready to
.admit that
. reference to a matt-r of the greatest difficulty. It
ulittit be th • - f lin the most
proper tit this clause was not tamei
Pet • waY but as to whether it could- be amended and
pri,l,ilto an improved shapt, or whether it should be de-
thesecsf its retrospective effect, and made prOsinetiv.e,
se_etrtwit.etreee.
questions rather for the House to consider in
bueg ttion into consideration;
Re was quite ready to take any reasonah.le,
understood that with'ch must be
the
tame
tatwtslaseosueam t.i,me it should
dealt with • -3 1 The Hon.
lst in some way oz• when.--(Healy),
—(ll.earea
ember for Edinburgh (Mi'. Cowan). had stated that
4, ill was an invasion of te
the B. •
teat in the event of the C e•
s appointed by
.4,er Majesty doing certain things,
tnwerauld
teen's prerogative;
be an inva-
iterta,of the Queen's prerogative. That, to, him (Mr'
vuleY), however, did not UPPettrto tti. very' logical