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Fences would exist on the subject of the management of these meantime, he should move on the third reading to confine HOUSE OF LORDS, June 21.
schools, and as to the corral and religious character of the the exemptions given to foreign shipping. to those. cases is The Loup CHA-NCELLOR took his seat on the Wool•
teacher. The alteration which was made by the relaxation which the subject of the patent had been in tne first instance
,sack at Five o'clock.
f taese clauses he thought would' be beneficial to the public, , patented abroad.
if the Hon and Learned .'
Earl FORTESCUE presented a petition praying the
and, instead of increasing the divisions of the Church, would ! Mr. HENLEY said
h.. .
Gentleman , Goverument to adopt steps to secure the possession of
have a!, effect the very reverse.—(Hear, hear.) In '45 could suggest any meaus. by Which protection might be :
immense depoeite of guano recently discovered in
there niad been divisions in consequence of the restriction i given to English pat, without inconvenience or hinaraneo ;the: the islands of L ihos, and geogrelly to facilitate the mat-
-1 ii,i down by tile management clauses; and in nis reso , I to trade, he should be glad to consider them; but he dal j
bn ions were carried against the Government by the National not think the proposition of which the Hon. and Learned i portation, of that article into this country.
S id( tv. The same was the case also in 1849. In 1850 i Gentleman had just given notice would accomplish the The learl of MALMESBURY said that her Majeste 's
Lard Lansdowne said, on the application of Lord liar- I object he contemplated. cruisers had received inserectiona to obtain all the infer-
rowby, ,bat.lie would not object to a Conlmittee if it were I The clause was then agreed to, as was also the remaining relation in their posse!. rotative to these deposits of guano,
moved Inn The consequence was that the agitation par- I clauses of the Bill and as far as lay in their power to secure British ill
gaily ceased, because those members of the Church who I On the schedule in clause 44, teeesto. Her Majesty's Government had great hopes of
had been deprived of the grant had a prospect of receiving I Mr. CARTER proposed amendments of which he had being able in some degree to break up the monopoly
it. This year, for the first time, the National Society was given notice. The fees to be paid under the Bill would which was at present kept up by the Peruvian Govern-
in perfect harmony with the Government.—(Hear, near.) , amount to 1491. I Is., and for stamps 551. would have to be meat in respect of this article.
New, that being the case, it was very desirable that they i paid—in all 1841. I le., a large sum fur those who sought to Lord BISOUG HAM presented a petition 6 tenplainine
should give to the ,ininbels of the Church the pow, rof en- take out patents, and who were generally poor men. His of certain provisions introduced into the County Courts
dewing the scam. upon their own opinions, and that they amendment would have the effect of enabling a patent to be
should- not he deprived of a portion of the grant. The taken out for 10/, instead of the present large sum. 11, Bill, enabling articled clerks to practise in those courts. .
clauses introduced by the late Government, he con- proposed, therefore, in the first item of fees for "five pounds" Lord BROUGHAM presented a petition from 130
tended, had been a source of great division among to insert. " live shillings." members of the inner and outer bar against the clause
members of the Church. He be ieved with the Noble Mr. HENLEY (lid not think that any wen.foueded oh- in the County Courts Bill preventing barristers receiving
Laid that the Church of England hart its elements of Joel ion could be taken to the scale of fees under the Biil. instructions from any but solicitors. He hoped their
we osness, as wen as of strength. He thought its element Persons who were desirous of taking out patents would net Lerdships would agree to an amendment to remove the
of weakness of late years was to be attributed to the great object to paring 25t. the first wear for the protection grievance of which the petitioners complained.
dieconragement it met with from the Government, and lie atfirded to their inventions; and if the low scale proposed Lord CAMPBELL considered that if the Noble
ainsidered they would be increasing its elements of strength by the lion. and Learned Gentleman were adopted, they
Lord's suggestion worn carried out it would be pro-
it they were permitted to give encouragement in the way would have all the most worthless projects patented
of
r„._
ductive of great mischief, and lower the character of
they proposed.— (He.r, hear.) That was the object of the Mr. MUNTZ could not concur in the propriety
the bar.
minute they had introduced, and the effect of it would be clueing the fees to so low a scale as that proposed by the
for the first time to place them on a footing of equality Hon. and Leaned Gentleman. After a few words from Lord Penotroneet and Lord
(Hear.) He therefore said, give them freedom of action in The gallery was cleared for a division, bust none took I.llNumiallnsf the conversation Oropped.
the construction of their schools. The policy on which they place, the lion. Member (Mr. Carter) not having found any MA tIAGE WITH DECEASED WIFE'S SISTER.
Dreposed to act was wise in itself and its consequences, and Hon. Member to act as his teller. The folloviene petitions were presented on this sub-
he firmly believed, it it had the effect of allaying the dine- The amendment accordingly fell to the ground, and the ject:—By the Earl of Essex (19 petitions, signed by
reneea which had arisen in the Church, no greater boon schedule was agreed to. 6,892 persons), from Barnsley,- Wolverhampton, North-
could pestibly be conferred on it.— ( Hear.) The House resumed, and the CHAIRMAN reported allerton, Colchester, Newport, and other places; the
Sir 11. VERNEY said one important question was,whether progress. Marquis of Lansdowne, from Bristol, King swoon, Little-
the schools authorised and supported by Parliament were CLIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND) BILL. ton-on-Severn, and other places, signed by 1,007 per-
good for those who went to them to receive instruction. It sons; Lord Stanley of Aldertoy, from Liverpool, Chester,
t into Committee on the Crime and
was their duty to see that the children in those schools should OuTtrhasgell(tarelsatnidie)nßevilela. Corgleton, Macclesfield, and Stockport, containing
receive the education that was intended. He felt certain The preamine was postponed. 5,904 signatures; the Earl of Bessborough, from Devon-
that it was because the Church lived in the affections of the Clause 1. port, Eaeter, Bridtham, Chudleip,h, Tavistock, and other
People that it existed, but its usefulness would not be in- Mr. V. SCULLY moved an amendment to the effect that
creased by giving more power to the clergy, but by uniting the Bill should be in force only until the 31st of December Parted Devonshire, signed by 3,950 persons; Lord Gage,
them with the laity.—(Hear, hear.) next, and no longer. He hoped the Government would from Bath, Southampton, Salisbury, Gosport, Peters-
Mr. GLADSTONE said he agreed with a previous speaker agree to the amendment, as the Chancellor of the Exche- field, and other places, signed by 4,646 persons; the
as to the immense importance of the subject of education, quer had stated that the next Parliament was to assemble Earl of Minto, from York, Leeds. Billericay, and various
and of everything belonging to it. Were it not for the im- about October, which would afford abundance of time to re- other towns in Yorkshire and Essex, containing 5,002
Portance of the subject he should have been surprised at the enact the law, if it were deemed necessary. Besides this, signatures; Lord Wodehouse, from. Norwich, Bury St.
exaggerated terms which had been used with reference to this the Bill was brought forward at the fag end of the session, a Emunds, and Ipswich, with 3,860 signatures; the Earl
Particular minute. After all that he had heard of satisfac- course which the Chancellor of the -.Exchequer had himself of Chesterfield, from Canterbury, Ashford, Romney,
tion on the one side, and of alarm on the other, the case ap- condemned in respect of the measure which passed in 1816. Deal, Margate, Ramsgate, Woolwich, and other
neared to him to be not altogether unlike that of the moan- Another reason for limiting the duration of the Bill was the „ Dover,
tain and the mouse. He confessed he felt a difficulty with circumstance that remedial measures had been promised by places in amt.
respect to the construction of some parts of the speech of the the Government, and that the House should have an oppor- Earl ST: GER HANS said he was instructed by a
Right Hon. Gentleman the Home Secretary. He did not tunny of knowing the character of these measures before very large, intelligent, and respectable body of persons
„see how they could maintain the doctrine that unlimited conferring for such a long period the extraordinary powers to present a petition, praying their Lordships to concur
freedom should be given to founders of schools to choose the contained in the Bill. with the other House in amending the law so far as it
terms on which they should be conducted. The change •Mr. COGAN said an attempt had been made to misre- related to marriage with a deceased wife's sister. The
Which had been made in the minute did not appear to him present the opposition to the Bill, which he entirely repu- petition was signed by 98,000 persons, among whom
to be unreasonable. The Noble Lord had spoken of dieted. lie admitted that crime existed in some parts of were clergymen of the Established Church, ministers of
the danger of investing the clergyman with a power of de- Ireland, but he could show that it had generally decreased different denominations, Merchants, bankers, lawyers,
eidiog as to the moral conduct of the schoolmaster; but the from 30,000 to 20,000, and though he would aid the repres- and medical men, and as many as 16,000 or 17,000 mars-
same thing might be said with reference to the question sion of crime as such, he would not aid in coercion as a re-
tied women. All these individuals were com-
ef religion. Previously a discretion was given to ttie cler- medy for the evil. Coercion had been tried for a century
et to form an opiates upon that important subject,
Oman with reference to tae teaching, and now it was pro- without effect: the Government should go to the root of Pent
Posed to submit it to the conduct of the teacher. He did the evil, namely, the social condition of the country, if and the fact of their signing such a petition ought to
hot think that that was an unreasonable extension. He they wished to cure agrarian outrage in Ireland. He gave have great weight with their Lordships. England was
aoreed with the Noble Lord that the laity should have as the Government credit for a desire to suppress crime in that nearly the only country in which these marriages were
large a share as possible in the management of the Church country, but not a single member on their side had shown a held to he not binding, and none of the evils which it
schools. He thought that to give up the Committee alto- justification for the Bill on the ground that it had repressed was anticipated would result from an alteration of the
gether would be on evil; but he believed that under these crime. In that respect the Government had altogether law here were found to exist in those countries where
relaxations they might very often have a Committee con- failed; and as the measure was most unconstitutional in marriage with a deceased wife's sister was allowed.
,stituted where, but for these relaxations, they might not its character, he hoped they would not oppose the amend- lf, then, the law and practice of all other European States—
ewe had one at all. Now, with regard to the question of ment.
and, he might add, of the United States as well—were con-
Power to suspend temporarily in cases of scandal, it might be Lord NAAS said that some Hon. Gentlemen opposite had Crary to the law and practice of this country, he thought it
light to have that power exercised; but then, again, it might stated that the Act had been inoperative for the suppression behoved Loam to well examine the ground upon which that
be abused by the clergyman. As to the importance and duty of crime; but a statement more unfounded had never been law rested. The people of England were a moral and reli-
ef elevating the character of the schoolmaster, if it was in- made in that House. He held in his hand a return, which gious people, and if their Lordships satisfied them that these
tended to do any such thing, some security should attach to showed the effects of the Act in different districts in marriages were contrary to Scripture, he was sure they
'.it position.—(Hear, hear.) When he (Mr. Gladstone) which it had been put in force, and from that return it would cease to press for their legislation; but even the bench
°Poke of security, he meant that in order to effect that they appeared that its operation had beep eminently successful. of bishops were not agreed on the point, and that left them
elteuld do a great deal more than they could effect by means During the three months which has preceeded the issuing enen to grave doubts as to the scriptural character of the
of the minutes of the Privy Council. These minutes were of the proclamation in the year 1847 in the county law. The Noble Lord then described at some length the
lifter all, merely experimental, and he should say he alto- of Cavan, the number of outrages had amounted to 43, state of the law OR this subject. Previous to Lord Lynd-
nether differed from the opinion of the Right Hon. Gentleman and during the last three months they had only amounted burst's Act these marriages were voidable, but not void at
thea Home Secretary in thinking that the honour of Parliament to 20; in the county of Limerick the outrages at the same any time after the marriage; but by that Act a limit was
to pie gad to these minutes. To which of them he wished period had amounted to 262 and 39 ; in the county of Ros- fixed, -by requiring proceedings to set aside the marriage' to
te know was the honour of Parliament so pledged? They had common they had amounted to 93 and 23; and in the be instituted iu the lifetime of both parties, so -that on the
seiy minutes year. to hat he (Mr. Gladstone) took county of Tipperary they had amonnted to 235 and 81. death of either the husband or the wife, the' children could
to be the case was this—that, by the labours of the Privy The Act had, in fact, been attended with great and most no longer be bastardised. That was the present state of the
teeuncii, they were feeling their way to a system of educe- beneficial results. At the same time there was nothing law. The opinion of ,ord Denman was, that there was
marriages were contracted under the belief that they are
Council,
which, when developed, ought to come under the which could in ,the slightest degree inconvenience men who nothing In Scripture against these marriages, Many of these
thew of Parliament in all particulars and details, and were determined to obey the law, and to perform their
y duties as good citizens. Honourable Gentlemen opposite legal. In fact, they had either done too much or' too little
to
then was the time to be availed of to afford security
not fall upon the issue, but they oil' ght to- make it penal for
, the masters of those schools.—(Hear.) If they wished had failed to show that a single instance of oppression had If they were contrary to Scripture, the punishment should.
`e have a high class of schoolmasters, these men should not 'aken place under the Act, and under those circumstances
le,
, • subject to be dismissed at the dictum of any individual.— he believed the House would readily consent to its renewal. parties to contract them. The restrictions against these
boners had a right to ask for relief. He should next ses-sion
,tillear.) Therefore he slid not think it too much, to say Mr* F. SCULLY supported the amendment. The Irish marriages he considered unjust, and he thought the pet'
that the situation of schoolmaster was not sufficiently secure Members had not exhibited anything like factious opposition
ender these minutes.—(Hear.) In such an experimental to the measure, and he hoped that would have some weight bring forward a Bill upon the subject,
which he hoped would
Nidition, they should look into the schools as a whole. The with the Government in adopting the amendment of his meat their Lordships' approval. He should now move that
question was not whether they could provide against every Ron. Friend; if not, their duty to their constituents might the petition be laid on the table.
use of abuse; and, however many might differ from the compel them to take another and p much more unpleasant Lord LYNDHURST said, as considerable misapprehen-
teillergy, and think them over-strict, he had no doubt that course. sion prevailed with regard to the Bill which he had intro-
e great majority of the clergy —entirely irrespective of Mr. M. 3. O'CONNELL, although he supported the doted with regard to this subject, eee thought it right to
party distinctions—were in earnest in reference to religious amendment, could not adopt the course which was shadowed offer some explanation upon the matter. That Bill made
t'aeation.—(Hear.) That schools might be deprived of out by his Hon. Eriend who preceded him; and if a course no alteration with regard to marriages within the prohibited
i attempted he would be inclined to adopt the degrees. Whatever the restrictions were before that Act
'te it masters he regarded as a very good objection in of delay was
.'e abstract ; but would it not be better to have a bent of the Right Hon. Gentleman the Chancellor of the was passed, they were the same now. The Bill was not
see
brought to a stand still in its operations than to have Exchequer, arid retire to his rest. introduced for the purpose of making any alteration of that
it heel
by a mars whose practices and general demea- The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for IRELAND said that kind. Cases of hardship came before him where the
Tier® were a disgrace to the community ?"—(Hear• he
r.) any offence committed up to the 31st of December would offspring of such marriages, who considered themselves
, was no class of men throughout the country who nad go unpunished unless the Act was in existence in order legitimate and entitled to inheritprrperty of parties, insti-
deeper anxiety in the keeping open of their schools than to enforce the law at the next March assizes. That, he toted proceedings against them in the ecclesiastical courts,
herbl' clergy, and therefore the objection that the school might thought, was a complete answer to the amendment of the might be made bastards. What the Bill did was to make
rou rot to a stand-still by the dismissal of the master Hon. Gentleman.
such marriages which were not voided within two or three
6' . .
was more an objection in the abstract than it ever would be Sir D. NORREYS supported the amendment, believing years valid. Their Lordships were in favour of that pro-
Practical effect.—(Hear, hear.) Therefore he should say
that such an arrangement would meet the views of the Go- vision, but the bench of bishops, for whom he had the most
toe (Slr. Gladstone) saw no ground for impeaching these vernment.
• profound respect, opposed it; and it was argued that to make
"lutes It might be considered unwise were Government Mr. CARTER objected to coercion Bills—he considered
ts • ' marriages voidable would lead to all the inconveniences it
introduce any fundamental changes; but he saw no such that Irish grievances ought first to have a proper considera. was intended to obviate, and it was decided that such mar-
thanges in these provisions to intimate an animus on their tion, and then such Bills would be needless.
Part.ltt---( Hear, hear.) He recognised the principle that it was The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER did not con- riages should be made invalid. What would be done with
marriages of this kind contracted abroad. At Hambargb,
le“'ntY of a State to take care how the public funds should template the Bill operatinlonger than to the end of August, there was a clergyman who, for a small sum of money, cele-
in expended ; and looking at these provisions on their merits 1853. He would cause such an alteration of words to be stated these marriages in the same manner as a celebrated
i\•esuld, not find cause to censure them.—(Hear, hear.) made to carry out that alteration, and this he hoped would
sneselaer, thee, the present Government or any _ other Go-. satisfy the Hon. Member opposite. personage formerly did at Gretna Green.- Whether these
marriages were lawful or not, he would not say, as he might
ttrulaaent. was in office, if, whilst the principle of public con- After a few words from Mr. SCULLY and The O'GORDLUT have to give a judicial opinion upon the question.
Mu was steadily adhered to, these questions of detail manon,
Lord CAMPBELL said, there was great misapprehension
buld he dealt with in a liberal spirit, he hoped that Mem- Mr. COGAN thought it might be advisable to let the Bill upon this.subject, that these marriages were lawful. This
ets of that House who possessed great influence would not be in operation only so long after December, 1852, as those • A •
contract them, and then the number of
a induce. parties to eta,
crease the difficulties of the questions by attaching exalt- criminals in custody could have their trial-
these marriages was brought as an argument for their being
aerated importance to these changes now before them, or to The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER considered allows:'. In tact, these marriages were, before the passing
3 other changes of a similar nature, that might hereafter the concession of Government, in altering the time of the of Lord Lyndhurses Act, and are now, illegal. These mar-
introduced. (Hear, hear.) Bill to August, )853, ought to be satisfactory. riages stood upon the same footing as marriages contracted
Alr. Huge: was always of opinion that these schools Mr. le SCULLY would consent to no concession. He within- of consanguinity. With Te-
em the prohibited degrees
es cl never go on harmoniously, unless the committees and thought the Bill ought not to go beyond the next session. Bard to the fact referred to of parties going to foreign cone-
note tinny went band in hand. He had, he should say, r. J. ho adopted the suggestion of the Go- tries to contract these marriages, he should caution all men
thend amongst the clergy a disposition to exact more power yarnneat, ugh he stood alone on that side of the House. against nrso
.He had hoped-that, after the overwhelm-
titan, laymen were inclined to allow them. He felt certain It was cercainly an improvement on the original terms of ing majority 15., ith which the former Bill was passed, the
4. unless they secured competent schoolmasters, as well the Bill
_to alter the limit to the 31st of August, 1953. He agitation would cease, but it still went on. Allusion had been
, good salaries as by assurance against the caprices of the should agree to that alteration, reserving to himself the made to the ptactics in foreign Protestant countries, which
(17gy, education would not be advanced in this country.— right of still further limiting the operatioir of the Bill at a allowed these marriages, but the marriage between an uncle
(Steer, hear.) By the present proceedings he thought the future stage if he thought fit. and his niece was also allowed. He would ask them, would
lieoerument were sewing the seeds of discord, and that all Mr. F. SCULLY again repeated that he could listen to they follow that example? They should act for themselves,
r4rniony of feeling and action would be destroyed as a con- no compromise. and do what was right.
tbence.—(Hear, hear.) Mr. V. SCULLY said the Chancellor of the Exchequer The Bishop of ST. A SAPH agreed with the Noble and
ttnlr. W. MILES said that the Committee of Privy Council was not in a condition to offer a cemprounse. Had the Bill Learned Lord, that they ought upon this subject, rather than
k: Elucation and the National Society were not acting to- not been closely looked into it would have been made to ex- imitate the of • i n countries, be an example to
"hi • l The system had therefore not worked conduct fore g
*0 er harmonious y.tend—he would not say by a " dodge"—to the 18'4 He others.
year J . The question with regard tothe Bible
on this point
illsd, and thwi,, alterations had been made to obviate those wished the Bill to be limited to that time, and that time was settled. Would any Englishman petition to marry the
urinenienclit He thanked the Committee of Privy Council only, when the question would be brought forward for full widow of his brother? These marriages were always void,
C
e sli • these alterations to be made, as they entirely did
at owing and final discussion. . but could only be tried in the ecclesiastical courts ; but in
le, with the jealousies entertained of their superintendence After some more discussion, and when them there could be no punishment but for their souls' sake.
'the National Society. The CHAIRMAN was about to pat the amendment, What he meant was, that it would be for the good of society
their .u. vERNEY was understood to say, in explanation, Mr. F. SCULLY objected to the amendment being put, that punishment was given.. He was quite satisfied that
ti.t, he wished the clergymen and the Privy Council to be on the ground that sufficient discussion had not been given these marriages were repudiated, and that all the woman of
„alters of the propriety of the removal of the schoolmaster, to the question.—(Laughter.) this countryea would be found opposed to them.
not the bishop. Another discussion ensued. The. Bishop of SA.aISBURY expressed his great astonish-
k
th. r. J. ABEL SMITH said that these minutes extended 31r. M. J. O'CONNE LL would be sorry to have a division ment at the statement made by the Noble Earl that a great
tts power of the clergyman, and that, in the present state of on reporting progress. He hoped Government would re- majority of the bench of bishops were of opinion that there
ttie Church, was objectionable. He was a dissentient from consider the matter, and accept the offer of an earlier month was no foundation in Scripture for the prohibition of these
litese changes, and he did not think that they would work —May, for instance—as suggested by the Hon. Member for marriages. It would, not become him to say what was the
aeficially. He wished to know the causes which led the Tavistock. opinion of the majority of his Right Rev. Brethren—he
tt'verntnent to make these alterations, so important and so The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it was would leave that to the Noble Earl—but this he would say,
tens' - in their nature. In the speech of the Secretary impossible to alter the determination of having the date the
et c, It e that he never heard
any statement with so much &ste-
t!, otate. (Mr. Walpole) that was entirely omitted. He 31st August, 1853. That question had been already well nishment. He knew that the Most Rev. Prelate the Arch-
eaght there was a design in that omission, and conceal- considered, and he trusted Hon. Gentlemen opposite would bishop of Canterbury founded his opposition to the measure
tes• He' looked upon this course with the greatest pain not delay its progress by further opposition. for allowing these marriages on the ground of Scripture,
to -aPprehension. He thought this step would be injurious Mr. V. SCULLY would not be a party to inflict the Bill on and the position taken b his R* ht Rev. Brother the Bishop
y ig
the Church which it professed to benefit. The cense-
tiut Ireland until the 31st August. of Exeter in his able ar was also mainly founded
gument
ntilees would be to weaken the real power of the clergy- Mr. F. SCULLY moved that the Chairman report pro- upon Scripture. Only one Right Rev. Prelate
did express
P 8 d
, and widely to extend the seeds of jealousy and ill will. grass. i a doubtful or perhaps a positive opinion that the ground of
isi,,denied that there had been dissension be There The gallery was cleared for a division, but none took surprised at the statement of the Noble Earl, but he was
kaal,t indeed, been dissension between the committee of the place, Mr. Scully having withdrawn his motionfor reporting still more astonished at the statement that a majority of
analonal Society and the Privy Council, but the National progress. the parochial clergy were in favour of an alteration of the
ta 'etY itself, by a large majority, had approved of the The Committee then divided on the question of filling u
P present law.
are
n„ sgernent clauses. They said they were, upon the whole the blank, when there appeared— . Earl ST, GERMANS—The parochial clergy of large
ftt`ed and judicious. Would the Hon. Gentleman, in the For the Government proposition ... lO4 towns. ,
11
Ile' of the paper he held in his hand, and bearing the signa- Against it.....-... . The Bishop. of SALISBURY believed that some of the
tint" of the majority of the National Socieiy, venture to say, Majority . OOO••.---93 parochial clergy of large towns did express an opinion in
t
a the society was in favour of these changes? There The remaining clauses having been agreed to, favour of these marriages, . but their opinions would he of
as i amendments, togreaterweight '' ti., iannony in the meeting this year, but, looking at the The CHAIRMAN reported the Bill, with . if they had not c upled them with arguments
ei;,and of the harmony—namely, the withdrawal of the re- the House. which were not maintainable. Nothing, however, was more
to 'tlon by the Archdeacon of Taunton—there was no ground ENCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND) BILL. clear than that the opinion of the parochial clergy was un-
to .
tilt er this harmony to the changes under discussion. If favourable
to the permission of there marriages.— (Hear.)
This Bill passed through Committee.
ei,l,e alterations had been submitted to the Archdeacon, there The petition was then orderad to lie on the table.
dat have been some grounds for this supposition. DISABILITIES REPEAL BILL. • THE SMOKE NUISANCE.
tl7r• P. SCHOPE said the word religious was better than On the motion for the third reading of this Bill, Lord REDESDALE presented a petition from the Lord
an Word o moral" upon this subject, and that the passage of the
latter • Sir W. P. WOOD did not rise to oppose the
It fell far Mayor, Aldermen, and Common Council of London, praying
tl4l would introduce great uncertainty. He believed that Bill, but to complain of its extreme meagreness.
merely be for an extension to the whole of the metropolis of the pro-
ti alterations in the minutes would cause great dissatisfac- short fato he requirements of the case, and would
visions contained in the London Sewer Act of 1851, for
or,
, because indicatin a distrust of the laity regarde by the public as an instalment. , abolishing the nuisance of smoke from steam-engines and
' 4 said objected the alterations, tend- Mr. NEWDEGATE contended that the action of "Miller
le, r• SLANEY be to
He should oppose the fur-
tito produce a preponderance of the clerical over the lay v. Sakartons," was a collusive one. the metropolis that such a nuisance should be allowed
tangent in the Church. The whole subject of education ther progress of the Bill until the law officers of the Crown to exist. .
kVA ere long he considered and settled by parliament on a had had an opportunity of duly considering the novel cir- The Earl of SHAFTESBURY heartily concurred in the
ts'neiple f public rating, by means of merely enabling sta- cum stances in which this action at law had placed the ques-
te ° p prayer of the petition. The nuisance arising from smoke
lea for separate education. tion. He moved that the Bill be read a third time that day was injurious-both to the health and to the pockets of the
lr's r• J• EV ANS said the address presented to the Arch- three months.
e •J. 1 I people. He had been assured by an extensive manufacturer
11 ''')lt of Canterbury represented that the priestly power in Mr. CONOLLY seconded the amendment. who consumed his own smoke, that he had saved thereby in
a
not to be increased, and that if it were, Mr. R. PALMER defended the Bill, which had been
tte Church ought fuel and coal no less than 3001. a year.
from the National Societushered
14'e would he a great secession y- din under no less distinguished auspices than those The petition was ordered to lie on the table.
minute extremely '
ateconsidered the alterations in the - of
.Lor Lyndhurt. The measure, which was confined to the COUNTY • COURTS FURTHER EXTENSION BILL.
tart and objectionable. object of sweeping out of the statute-book some of the most Lord BROUGHAM, in moving the adoption of the Corn-
gl, he discussion then dropped. extravagant and absurd provisions which had ever defaced mons' amendments, explained the nature and character of
Sir
JURY (METROPOLITAN DISTRICT)
.BILL, ourtilleegoistli:.etironfi had passed the scrutiny of the Law Lords those amendments. One of them was to increase the sale-
taa'• J. GRAHAM alluded to this Bill as of greatempor- of
h to conceive whaotesree of Pabrlhameut, and be was at a loss ries of the judges of the coUnty. courts. By this amend-
IZe, and as one which he must oppose at some lengt.
the Bill. The measua
reasonable
siobjection could be started to ment these judges were to receive a minimum salary of
le'er these circumstances, he hoped it would not be pressed simply with. justic.e, and. h.e 1,200/. a year, which might be increased to 1,500/. at the
hhe . thought the House would be acting little wisdom if it ofthe high law authorities of the country.
discretion.
in r this session.
he believed that the cousepted to retain these monstrous and extravagant dis-
aVe ATTORNEY-GENERAL said
be of abilities. Another amendment was that these judges should be pro-
toration of the law the Bill was to introduce would
opposed by After a few words from Mr. ANSTEY, who was of opinion hibited from practising as counsel, barristers, specialpleaders,
thsatehenefit, and he regretted that it was to be it that the measure was quite inadequate, conveyancers, or attorneys, and that they should strictly con-
It -4ight Hon. Gentleman As it was so, however,
Mr. WALPOLE said that he had al lino themselves to their judicial duties. The only alteration
ow., • d of the ways opposed the • etee'"- be impossible to carry it forward at this perio .
admission of Jews to Parliament, and would continue to d this amendment was this, that as
which he would suggest in
aile•Oet, and he must reluctantly consent to withdraw it.
so,—(Hear, hear.). The question before the House,. o
conveyancers and others who might be appointed judges
't ' lON.
i lq t ESS OF THE HOUV.—THE PROROGAT
ever, ten., now-
-0 whether certain penalties should be retained, and under the Bill might have unfinished business in hand,
°l'i rt:,,l. WILSON said he dad been appealed to not to
these he thought ought to be swept away, which it would be inconvenient to transfer to others; instead
tt4e,iorward to-day his motion as to the state of the sugar
Mr. HUDSON advised the Hon. Member for North War- of being restricted from practising "from and after the
Of thrilea. in order to facilitate the conclusion of the business .
ckshire to withdraw his opposition. passing of this Act," the words should be foar,
ant' House. He was anxious to assent to the suggestion,
Wialr. NEWDEGATE said he was satisfied with the state- five, or six months from and after the passing of this Act.
0^ wouldonly beg if possible, he might have some . •
offl ime Secretary that his hostility to the a , leis- The onl amendment to which he anticipated any objection
ki,(l , that, , ment the ,
badrtunity to bring the question before the House.to Parliament continued unabated, and would was that .hick referred to the prohibition of barristers
" of the EXCHEQUER.—Sir, I have , sion of Jews.
mendinent. practising in the county courts without being instructed by
Lr CHANCELLORbothsides of the House that its I not press his a •
1 an amendment for the purpose an attorney or solicitor. In those county courts alone—
issie epresentations from
4.NSTEY movet whether rest or small
nness should be terminated as soon as possible.—(Hear, I Mr. .
the Bill to persons others than Members of
rovinces g . , whether in the metropolis or in the
414,7 Tbete representations have come quite as often from of extending as
p a there a statutory prohibition on an advocate
1/O'st loess opposed to the Government as from our own sup- Parliament.
discussion, the House divided, when there from receiving instructions directly from his
client, without
Idt-et's (Hhear,)—and it isnot for our own convenience After a brief the interventionof
an attorney. The rule and etiquette of
an ear,
cede to the suggestion.— appeared— the profession prevented him from going into court unin-
(lV that we are anxious to ac ... .. 4
I have appealed' to For the amendment 0 strutted by an attorney or solicitor, but there was no posi-
111ee,4,1•') Under these circumstances not to Against it ..• ••five rule preventing him from seeing his client in chamber in
AN-tiers on both sides having notices on the paper
of
Majority against.the
matters of a delicate and private nature which he did not
.'lticsi them —( Hear.) I think that there is a prospect
read a third time, and passed.
te•utlin h ' • f the House by the end of this The Bill was then wish to communicate_ even to his solicitor. Now, why not
eels.f e g t e business o
I have chalked out.— (Hear, COMMON LAW PROCEDURE BILL. leave the barristers practising in these courts, as those prac-
t}7ar.) we proceed in the courset into any arrangement with The Lords'• amendments to the Bill were considered and tising in all other courts, to the usage and custom of the
,te yq_ l cannot therefore
.en.er
forward this subject: and agreed to. profession? It was said' that they would be too far removed
"loe—'un• Member as to bringing
it •nh 1 • • I hope he will postpone MASTER IN CHANCERY ABOLITION BILL. from the-supervision of the heads of the profession, and that
liii admit its great importance,
The Lords' amendments were considered and agreed to. there would not be a sufficient check upon them. But if
gx, text session.
'ail • WILSON assented. The MASTER of the ROLLS brought up a clause giving persons were inclined to act unprofessionally, he thought
Is eetr . - . . amended was
ele.e., i Ina Ballot Suspension Bill, as amen , con- compensation to the chief clerks in the same manner as to they would be much more likely to do it, and to do
s''' andalso the Militia Pay Bill.
,„ „ agreed to ;as was the Masters, it with impunity, in, a crowded city like Loudon
Iles'etlE PATENT LAW AMENDMENT BILL.
Mr CARTER opposed the clause, which, after some dis- than in a country town, where they would be narrowly
NI- 'ill went into Committee.' cussion, was agreed to. watched. He approved of the etiquette of requiring bas-
t, eiplaufie 26, The Holloway House of Correction Bill was read a third risters to be instructed by attornies ; because in 99 Cases out
tIePtree,GUNDELL PALMER gave notice that, unless the I time and 'passed. get he did not see how it would otherwise be possible to
-"lent themselves proposed, 0 alter this Bill in the i The Rollo they Adjolllind at Half-pg 4 Two o'clock, i eg—w examiin Witnesses, tor jultace, and, ether t4ing3