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tiation for peace, charged by Mr Lincoln with authority
for stating his own views and receiving those cf President
Davis r' Both answered in the affirmative, and I then
said that the President would see them at my office the
same evening at 9 p.m.—that, at least, I presumed he would
—but if he objected after hearing my report they should be
informed. They were then recommitted to the charge of
Cul. Ould, with the understanding that they wero to be re-
c,mducted to my office at the appointed hour, unless other-
wise directed.

(Great cheering.)
Comte DE JAUN&C proposed "The health of the Chair-
man."

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still ho could honestly say there was not a farm or a
farmer on their estates with whom they were not acquainted ;
they would not be content with receiving their proceeds
unless they also received their good will. The fi tt:ering•
terms in which the Count De Jarnac had referred to his
public services he could not say that he deserved, but in
one respect he accepted them as true ; he believed that he
had no other object than to render himself useful to the
community of which ha was a inamb:_r, and that it was
more especially the duty of those who succeeded to heredi-
tary titles and wealth to act as if, in lawyers' phrase, they
had a general retainer on beheif of the people. (Cheers.)
Amongst other speakers were Lord Lismore and Mr.
Warden, M.P.

This interview,connected with the report previously made
by Col. 0 uld, left on my mind the decided impression that
Mr Lincoln was averse to sending formal commissioners to
open negotiations, lest he might thereby be deemed to have
recognised the independence of the Confedei acy, and that
he was anxious to learn whether the conditions on which
along he would be willing to take such a step would be
yielded by the Confederacy ; that with this view he had
placed his messengers in a condition to satisfy us that they
really came from him, without committing himself to any-
thing in event of a disagree,nent as to such conditions as
he considered to be indispensable. On informing the Pre-
sident thereof of my conclusion, he determined that no
question of form or etiquette should be an obstacle to his
receiving any overtures that promised, however remotely,
to result in putting an end to the carnage which marked the
continuance of hostilities.
The President came to my office at 9 o'clock in the even-
ing, and Col, Ould came a few moments later, with Messrs.
Jacquess and Gilmore, The President said to them that he
had heard from me that they came as messengers of peace
from Mr Lincoln ; that as such they were welcome ;
that the Confederacy had never concealed its desire for
peace, and that he was ready to hear whatever they had to
offer on that subject.
Mr Gilmore then addressed the President, and in a few
minutes had conveyed the information that those two gen-
tlemen had come to Richmond impressed with the idea that
this Government would accept a peace on the basis of a re-
construction of the Union, the abolition of slavery, and the
grant of an amnesty to the people or ens estates a., 0p..-
Cant criminals. In order to accomplish the abolition of
slavery, it was proposed that there should be a general vote
of all the people of both Confederations, and the majority of
the votes thus taken was to determine that as well as all
other disputed questions. These were stated to be Mr Lin-
coln's views. The President answered that as these pro-
posals had been prefaced by the remark that the people of
the North were a majority, and that a majority ought to
govern, the offer was, in effect, a proposal that the Confede-
rate States should surrender at discretion, admit that they
had been wrong from the beginning of the contest, submit
to the mercy of their enemies, and avow themselves to be in
need of pardon for crimes; that extermination was prefer-
able to such dishonour.

RAILWAY INTELLIGENCE,

EDINBURGH AND GLASGOW.

The half yearly meeting of this company was held at
Glasgow on Tuesday—Mr H. Dunlop in the chair.
The report, an abstract of which has appeared in The
Sun, was taken as read.
The CHAIRMAN, in moving the adoption of the report,
said it was satisfactory to see that the traffic) continued to
increase ; and that they were enabled to recommend a diri-
dend of 41 per cent per annum. If the traffic continued to
increase, they might expect a better dividend, as they were
now in the way of improvement. Their new agreement
with the North British Railway Company was now in ac-
tive operation, and apparently was likely to work well. It
was a very simple arrangement, and he thought it would
prove satisfactory, and he hoped it would receive the sanc-
tion of Parliament next session. They had nothing to fear
except attacks from some of their aggressive neighbours.
HA thought for his part the time had arrived when the
main lines of railway might be content with the position
they already held. There were few main lines in that dis-
trict which had not established their position, and their
rights to a certain traffic, and he thought they might be
content with that, and with developing the trade of the
country, instead of constructing new lines with a view to
absorb the traffic which legitimately belonged to their
neighbours. (Hear.) Ho wished the pressure of the share-
holders could be brought to bear upon directors to prevent
their adopting such an erroneous course. He believed tha t
a great deal might be done by the shareholders expressing
their opinions at meetings of companies against such con-
duct. It was not like a reduction of the rates, which was
a temporary measure from which they might suffer for
a time and it would pass away, the public de-
riving some benefit during the competition ; but when
they constructed duplicate lines a permanent evil was
created, for all unnecessary expenditure of capital must be
a loss to shareholders, while it was no benefit to the public.

He stated that it they were themselves so unacquainted
with the form of their own Government as to make such
propositions, Mr Lincoln ought to have known, when giving
them his views, that it was out of the power of the Confe-
derate Government to act on the subject of the domestic
institutions of the several States, each State having exclu-
sive jurisdiction on that point. still less to commit the de-
cision of such a question to the vote of a foreign people ;
that the separation of the States was an accomplished fact ;
that he had no authority to receive proposals for negotiation
except by virtue of his office as President of an independent
Confederacy, and on this basis alone must proposals be made
to him.

(Hear.)
Mr WHITE seconded the motion for the adoption of tho
report.
Mr J. M‘GA.vusr said he quite agreed with the Chairman
in the lino of policy he had chalked out as that which ought

to govern the great railway companies of the country.
Duplicate lines must ultimately be a loss to the country, for
whenever they expended two sets of capital, and employed
two sets of men to work that which one set could accom-
plish, the public would have eventually to pay for them.
For a short time ruinous rates might prevail, but they all
knew that public companies would not long continue to fight,
and the experience of all duplicate lines hitherto had been
the same. lie believed they were to be invaded by the Cale-
donian Company in the next session of Parliament. It was
said they intended to run parallel lines from Glasgow to
Edinburgh ; and, if so, they ought to be strenuously opposed
by this company. They had been cajoled by an alliance

At one period of the conversation Mr Gilmore made use
of some language referring to those States as " rebels"
while rendering an account of Mr Lincoln's views, and
apologised for the word. The President desired him to
proceed, that no offence was taken, and that he wished Mr.
Lincoln's language to be repeated to him as exactly as pos.

sible. Some further conversation took place, substantially
to the same effect as the foregoing, when the President rose
to indicate that the interview was at an end. The two gen-
tlemen were then recommitted to the charge of Col. Ould,
and left Richmond the next day.

with thst company, and they had at the same time invaded
their district. If the Caledonian said they must have a
larger share of the traffic between Edinburgh and Glasgow,
they must be told that the Edinburgh and Glasgow Com-
pany must have a greater share of the coal traffic of Lanark-
shire.

This account of the visit of Messrs Gilmore and Jacquess
to Richmond has been rendered necessary by publication
made by one or both of them since their return to the United
States, notwithstanding the agreement that their visit was
to be kept secret. They have, perhaps, concluded that as

the promise of secrecy was made at their request, it was per.

After some observations by Mr MEIRLEM and Mr WEIR
as to rumoured attacks from the Caledonian, and as to what
the directors ought to do in these attacks,
The CHAIRMAN said that, with the strong alliance which
they had formed with the North British Railway Company,
the Edinburgh and Glasgow Company felt they were able
to defend themselves, and, if necessary, to oppose aggressive
neighbours ; but they hoped this course would not be neces-
sary, and he thought it would be a great pity if it were.
Resolutions were passed adopting the report, and declar-
ing a dividend for the half-year, at the rate of 4i per cent.
per annum, on the ordinary stock of the company.
The proceedings concluded with a vote of thanks to the
chairman.

missible to disregard it. W e had no reason for desiring to
conceal what occurred, and have, therefore, no complaint to
make of the publicity given to the fact of the visit. The
extreme inaccuracy of Mr Gilmore's narrative will be ap-
parent to you from the foregoing statement.
You have, no doubt, seen in the Northern papers an ac-
count of another conference on the subject of peace, which
took p'a,ce in Canada at about the same day, between Messrs
C. C, Clay and J. P. Holccmbe, Confederate citizens of the
highest character and position, and Mr Horace Greeley, of
New York. acting with authority of President Lincoln. It
is deemed not improper to inform you that Messrs Clay and
Holcombe, although enjoying in an eminent degree the
confidence and esteem of the President, were strictly accu-
rate in their statement that they were without an authority
from this Government to treat with that of the Uaited
States on any subject whatever. We had no knowledge of
their conference with Mr Greeley, nor of their proposed
visit to Washington, till we saw the newspaper publications.
A significant confirmation of the truth of the statement of
Messrs Gilmore and Jacquess, that they came as messen-
gers from Mr Lincoln, is to be found in the fact that the
views of Mr Lincoln, as stated by them to the President,
are in exact conformity with the offensive paper addressed
to "whom it may concern, which was sent by Mr Lincoln
to Messrs Clay and Holcombe by the hands of his private
secretary, Mr Hay, and which was properly regarded by
those gentlemen as an intimation that Mr Lincoln wss
unwilling that this war should cease while it was in his
power to continue hostilities,—l am, very respectfully,
your obedient servant,

J. P, BENJAMIN, Secretary of State.
Hon. James M. Mason, Commissioner to the
Continent, &c., &c., Paris.

Lord Stanley in Tipperary.

We find in the Freeman's Journal a report of the annual
show of the Tipperary Union Farming Society, which was
held at Tipperary on Tuesday. Lord Stanley attended
the show, and presided at the dinner in the evening. In
proposing the toast of the evening, the noble lord
reviewed at considerable length the present condition of
Ireland. He might bo thcught too sanguine, hut he could
not bring himself to take a desponding view of the future
of Ireland, and especially of that part of it. Recent bad
seasons had operated against the farmers, and from all parts
of Ireland, especially from the south and west, there had
been a continuous outflow of emigration. They had no se-
curity against the recurrence of bad seasons, and the best
course they could adopt was to guard against having too
many eggs in their basket, or, in other words, placing too
much dependence on any particular crop, (Rear, hear.)

The present year happily Was the most prosperous since
1860, and the drought that prevailed had nct been half
so severely felt in Ireland as in England. If he thought
that the drain of the population was to continue for any
considerable time, that the country was to become a mere
grazing field, and cattle were to take the place of men, he
would not be able to express himself hopefully, and as
an Englishman he should deeply lament that the empire
was deprived of so many stout hearts and strong arms,
so much capacity for labour, and the heroic courage
which had been tested long ago, and might be
required again. But his reading and observation led him
to doubt that the tide of emigration would continue to flow
at the same rate, and although ho knew that a country so
vast as America must always attract numbers to its shores,
the fact of the war in the United States, where there was a
Government expenditure of half a million a day, and the
indication of the approaching termination of that tremen-
dous conflict induced him to believe that when the war
ceased the release from the military service of about a mil-
lion of men would reduce the demand for European labour.
Moreover, he saw with pleasure the gradual increase of
wages in Ireland, which, as it progressed, must remove
many of the temptations to emigrate. As men became
abundant in America wages would diminish, as they de-
creased in Ireland wages would increase, and thus before
long the disparity of wages which existed would be in a

large measure removed. This led him to the reflection
that the low-paid labour which had been the rule in
Ireland was not always cheap, and that the well fed
and well paid labourer was likely to do more work than
three men dieted and remunerated on the old scale,
Ireland, undoubtedly, was a prolific country. Within
the past few days he had seen many cabins, where,
alas I the occupants had few of the necessaries and
none of the comforts of life. He might ask why
then, if the population of Ireland had fallen off, that of
England had increased. The reason was that England
was a manufacturing country. In the English agricul-
tural districts the population had also decreased. Thousands
had been attracted to the large manufacturing towns. It was
a significant fact that there were about 100,000 Irish living
in and around Liverpool, and the calculation was that there
were over 800,000 Irish in the manufacturing districts of
England and Scotland. People ought in fairness to recollect
that these figures did not represent a movement from
this country as a whole, but only a movement from one
part of the empire to another. He for ono hoped that the
day would be very far distant when an Irishman would not
be received with welcome in England, and an Englishman
in Ireland, His Lordship referred to the increasing culti-
vation of flax. in the south of Ireland as an experiment which
might prove successful, but they should nut put their hands
further than they could draw them back. With respect to
the value of land, he thought it ought to rise here as in
England and Scotland. The Irish climate, if damper, was
milder ; the soil was more fertile, the beauties of scenery
more frequent and remarkable. When the days of violence