The Sun.
London, England, 1864-05-12 00:00:00

MURDER IN MARYLEBONE.

Timothy Murphy, a tall, slim-built Irishman, was
charged at the Marylebone Police-court yesterday. w;4'
stabbing a young man named John Eames, a r'
thereby causing his death. The deposit; -uoemaker,
were as follows :
..uns of the deceased

" I am a shoemak-
dr, living at 27, 'William-street, Lisson-
grove. Last ',light I was in a publichouse in Ltsson-street,
called +.
„ne Brazen Head. The prisoner was in the house,
•
not in my company. I knew him before, but never had
a quarrel with him. When in the house I saw him sharpen
a knife with a small blade on his shoe, and I heard him say
;I'll run it,' but I did not hear him mention any name. He
left the house, and I followed him, and when outside the

door I said, Do you mean the knife for me ?' He said,
Yes, or any one that comes across me.' With that he

struck at me with the hand in which the knife was, and I
think the blade closed on his hand. I then saw him open
the knife, with which he stabbed me where I am wounded.
I cannot say whether he said anything at the time. After
this he ran away. When I found that I was stabbed I ran

after him, and he ran into a beer.shop in Harrow-street. I
saw a constable, and took him into the beer shop and pointed
out the prisoner to him. I am quite sure the prisoner is the
man who stabbed me, and I am quite certain that the knife
produced is the one I was stabbed with,"
The following witnesses were examined yesterday :
Thomas Chas. Kirby, surgeon, of the D division, said
was called to John-street police-station, where I saw the
deceased. I saw his intestine, about the size of a small
orange, protruding. I examined it, and found no wound cf
the intestine, but that it came from a small wound in the
abdomen, into which I was able to pass my little finger. I
endeavoured to retu'n it, and was not able to do so. I had
him put into a cab end sent to St. Mary's Hospital, and
gave him in charge to the surgeon on duty.
By Mr. Yardley—A wound of the description might be
caused by such a knife, The deceased appeared perfectly
sober. He asked to be taken to the hospital. The knife had
passed through the external wall of the abdomen. I should
say the knife went in about an inch or an inch and a half.
The bowels were uninjured,

Wm. Rayner, house surgeon, St. Mary's Hospital, said!
—I received John Eames on the night of the 19th under my
care. He was suffering from protrusion of the intestines
from the wall of the abdomen, caused by a punctured wound,
and ha seemed to be in a state of collapse. He died on the
7th of May. His death was caused by pysania, caused by
absorption of matter from the pus. The immediate cause of
his death was the wound. The knife produced would cause
such a wound. lam quite of opinion deceased was sober.
I was present when he made his deposition, and in my
opinion I think he was in a sufficiently collected state. I
may state that before he made his deposition I administered
chloroform to him, to increase the size of the wound to re-
turn his intestines.
Mr Kirby—l told him as we were going to the hospital
that he was likely to die.
Thomas O'Donald, labourer—l knew the deceased and the
prisoner. On the night in question I was in tho company
of Eames until he lett the Brazen Head public-house. I
saw Murphy sitting down in the Brazen Head cleaning his
pipe with his knite. This was about half-past 9. Eames
was there, and I did not hear a word pass between them.
Murphy went out and went away. I did not see what he

did with the knife that he was cleaning his pipe with. Eames
remained for a short time inside the house, and then fol-
lowed Murphy, and what happened I d,nt know. Eames
followed about three minutes after. I never said I saw
Murphy with a knife in his hand.
Patrick Slater—l knew the prisoner and deceased. I was

walking along Bell-street and there were two men fighting
inside the Brazen Head. One was Patrick King and the

other Dan Dunnigan. I looked into the house and saw the
prisoner sitting inside next to the door. Presently Murphy
came out and walked across the road, and Eames came out

and said "➢lurphy has got a knife in his hand," and I
said he had not; and he (Eames) followed, and they com-
menced fighting, and Eames returned to me, and said,
"I am stabbed," and I said, "No, you are not," and looked,
Ho pointed down, and I saw no knife or blood, Eames
said, "I will have him locked up," and he (Murphy) was
taken to the station.

Charles Lawrence, 53, Lisson-street, shoemaker—l was
not acquainted with prisoner or deceased. I was looking
out of the window and saw the prisoner come out of the
Brazen Head, and stand on the kerb, and Eames ran at the
prisoner in a fighting attitude, and prisoner ran back, and
called out "police," and they closed, and after they parted
I thought he (Eames) was stabbed.
Mr. Yardley—Can you say which struck the first blow ?
Witness—l saw Eames strike first, Prisoner struck an
under-hand blow at the lower part of his person. Barnes
walked away with his hand to his side.
By the Prisoner—l did not zee you eorge out of the
Brazen Head. I did not see him knock you down. I heard
you call " police."
In reply to Mr. Yardley, Mr, Kirby said the wound was
in an upward direction.
Thomas Lee, 28, Little James-street —I was in the Brazen
Head, but not in the same compartment. Hearing a fight
outside I went out, and saw deceased and prisoner in a fight-
ing attitude, Prisoner was getting backwards as fast as he
could, and deceased followed him. Prisoner was calling out
" police I" All at once deceased stopped, and said, " I have
got it ; lam knifed," Prisoner ran into a beer-shop, cor-
ner of Harrow-street, and deceased came to where I was
standing and began to undo his clothes, and I went away,
That is all I know.
Mary Anne Burehell, landlady of the beer-shop, Harrow-
street—He (prisoner) came in with a knife and pipe in his
hand. His thumb was bleeding. The knife produced is the

one. A man standing at the bar asked what he had been

doing, he
" I was scraping out my pipe and fell
andcu twmynho said
hand." The customer asked why he did not tie
it up, and he said he had nothing to tie it up with it, and he
told him to go home and get it dressed, Ho remained,
however, and Eames and the police came in, and he
(Eames) said, "That is the man, and my blood is upon
him." I said, "How can it be your blood; look at the
man," not knowing at the time anything of this. The offi-
cer asked the prisoner for the knife, and he gave it from his
waistcoat pocket.
Prisoner—l said that was my blood and nobody else's.
Robert Brown, 269 D—l was on duty in Bell-street about
ten minutes after ten, and deceased came and said, " Master,
lam stabbed." I asked where, and he pointed down to his
left side, and I saw blood and his clothes cut. He said the
man was in the "jerryshop"
(Mrs. Burchell's), and he
pointed to prisoner and said, "That is the man that stabbed
me, and that is my blood on his hand." I asked the prisoner
to come with me, He said, "All right, that is no person's
blood but mine," and he at my request gave me the knife
he said, " I fell on the kerb." As we were leaving Mrs.
produced. I said, "How did you cut your thumb," and
Burchell's deceased said, "Murphy is the last man that
ought to stab me," and Murphy said, " We will settle it all
in High-street." About nine o'clock the same evening pri-
soner came to me and said he wanted to give Pat Slater into
custody for stealing a shilling. I went to the public-house
door and called Slater out, and prisoner and Eames were
present. He first said Sister had taken the shilling from
his hand, and then from his pocket. I asked did he (Slater)
take a shilling at all from him, and he said No, and then
Eames said, " Master, we have all been drinking together,"
and walked away. Prisoner followed, and said, "I will be
revenged upon him to-night." I was present and saw de-
ceased sign the depositions after they had been read over
to him.
Sergeant Dobble, 33 D, acting
inspector—l was on duty at
Molyneux-street station when prisoner was brought in.
Brown gave me the knife, and said the prisoner is charged
with stabbing a man, pointing to Eames. The knife was
besmeared with blood, and prisoner said, " That blood comes
fhtiosmmmaryksthifuml thumb, He
aHgeuiilstynomtasnta., I examined him atb,bed at all. Let him show
once,
and found he was stabbed, and the bowels protruding.
Whilst the interval elapsed for the surgeon's arrival pri-
soner said he was cleaning his pipe when the deceased
struck him on the back of the head. Eames said that he
did not strike him. I asked Eames if they had had any
quarrel, and he said there had not been.
Mr Yardley committed the prisoner for trial on the charge
of wilful -der.

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THE INQUEST.
Yesterday Dr Lankestar held an inquest at the Bank of
England Tavern, Praed-street, Paddington, on the body of
John Eames, a shoemaker, aged 19, who had died in St.
Mary's Hospital, from the effects of a wound in the abdomen,
alleged to have been inflicted by a man named Timothy
Murphy, in custody on the charge, with a knife, during a
quarrel on the night of Tuesday, the 19th ult,
The evidence, which was of a voluminous and conflict-
ing character, went to show that on the night in question
there was a dispute between Murphy, deceased, and a man
named Slater, about a shining, and the former, about nine
o'clock, wished to give Slater into custody to Constable
Brown, 259 D, for stealing it from him. Deceased inter-
posed, and said it was nothing of the sort. They hod all
been drinking together, and Murphy had pledged his hand-
kerchief for a shilling, and now it was spent wanted the
money back again. Deceased then went away, and Murphy
followed him, swearing he would be revenged upon him that
night. This was at 9 o'clock, and about an hour after de-
ceased went into the Brazen Head public-house, in Lisson-
street, and Murphy was there drinking with some other
men. Murphy sharpened a clasp knife on his shoe nd
then went out, and deceased followed him and asked him
if he meant that knife for him, and he replied "Yes," or
any one that comes across me. The evidence then showed
that deceased, in a sparring attitude, followed Murphy up,
the latter being also in the same attitude, but retreating for
several yards, calling out " Police." The men suddenly
closed, and immediately after the deceased exclaimed, "Oh,
I'm knifed." Murphy then ran away, and into the Britannia
beer-shop adjacent; and the constable (Brown) coming up,
deceased told him he had been stabbed, and shovred him the

cut in his trousers, and he went to the beer-shop and took
Murphy, who was pointed to 63 deceased as the man who
had stabbed him, into custody. He asked him if he had a
knife, and he said yes, and produced the clasp knife from
his pocket. Deceased was conveyed to St. Mary's Hospital,
whhere he lingered until Saturday last, where he died, as
the medical testimony proved, from the effects of the wound.
After explaining the law as relating to murder, man-
slaughter, and justifiable homicide, the coroner said it would
have been well if the accused party Mild have been there
to have heard the evidence against him, and if the jury
thought an adjournment necessary, as the man Murphy
was not committed, he had no doubt MrYardley, the magis-
trate consent to his doing so.

After some discussion the Jury cmsidered the presence
of the accused and further evidence indispensable, and the
inquiry was with that object adjourned till Monday next,

The German National 'Union,

A crowded meeting of Germans residing in Lon-
don was held last night in the large room of the
German National Union, Seyd's Hotel, Finsbury,
for the discussion of certain resolutions bearing
upon the position of the Schleswig and Holstein
question with regard to the London Conference.
The president of the Union (Dr. Kinkel) being called
to the chair on the motion of M. Siemens, he opened
the proceedings by explaining that, although the
meeting was called by the committee of the National
Union, it was to be considered not merely as a
meeting of that society, but as expressing the feel-
ings and opinions of the general body of Germans
residing in London. He was sorry that the depu-
tation from Kid which had lately arrived in this
country to protest against the proceedings of the
London Conference had taken their departure, and
he had received a letter from their representative
regretting that they could not be present on the
present occasion. At a meeting held last November
he had warned his hearers not to treat the Schles-
wig and Holstein question too lightly, and the events
of the last six months had proved the correctness of
the views he had then taken on the subject. He was
of opinion that neither Russia, France, nor England
would move in the matter, in proof of which he would
revert to the fact of an Austrian fleet having passed
up the Channel into the German Ocean without op-
position on the part of the French or British Go•
vernments. England was too much interested in
the raising of the blockade of the Elbe and the
Weser to interfere. She did not fear that a Euro-
pean war would spring out of the Schleswig and
Holstein question, but if such an event happened
the Prussians had little to fear. Their commerce
was insignificant is comparison to that of England.
their population of 40 millions were nearly all en•
gaged in cultivating a fertile soil, and their internal
resources would enable them to carry on a war for
almost any length of time. Their commerce with the
whole world was also secured to them, bounded as
they were by neutral States like Holland and Swit-
zerland. The war had proved the superiority of
their military resources, not only in flesh and blood,
but in war material. He considered that the people
of Schleswig and Holstein alone had a right to dis-
pose of their future. This was a principle which
had been acknowledged by the Emperor of the
French, it was adopted by several organs of the
English press, and Prussia and the German Confe-
deration appeared inclined to support the demand
of the Duchies to have a voice in the choice of their
future Government. The English Ministry had
refused to give a hearing to the deputation from
Kiel. He had, however, handed their memorial
to the Plenipotentiary of the German Confedera-
tion, M. von Beust, embodying the resolutions
which had been passed at the meeting of the Hol-
stein Estates. He concluded by moving a resolution
to the following effect—" That States out of Ger-
many have no right to decide on German affairs ;
but considering that a Conference on the subject of
Schleswig-Holstein was now actually sitting in
London, at which Conference the German Confede-
ration was represented, it becomes necessary for the
representatives of the German nation in this coun-
try to insist upon the following points :-1. That
the two Duchies of Schleswig and Holstein should
remain undivided ; 2, That, considering the fact of
the representatives of Schleswig having taken their
seats in the German Parliament of 1848, Schleswig
should be acknowledged as part of the German Con
federation ; 3. That the Duchies be separated from
the nexus with the Danish Kingdom ; and lastly, that
it be left to the people of Schleswig and Holstein to
choose their future Government by their own vote."
The motion having been put it was carried by
acclamation. The meeting was then addressed by
Messrs. IV. Siemens, F. R. S. Born, Scherzer
Reimers, Von Konich, Schluud, and Brudes, and a
motion was agreed to that the resolutions passed at
the present meeting should be transmitted to Baron
von Beust, the Plenipotentiary of the German Con-

federation at the London Conference, as soon as pos
sible. A vote of thanks was then passed to Profes•
eor Kinkel, and the proceedings terminated.

SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS,

TlMES.—During the first two years of the prescn
Government it was their general prectice to sustain
at least one defeat every Wednesday. The motions
which led to this result were brought on generally
by members sitting below the gangway, whose views
were more extreme than those of the Administration
they supported. Acting without the fear of responsi-
bility, andreleased from the necessity of considering
the occasion, the fitness, or the policy of their
motions, these gentlemen contrive to convert the
House of Commons into a species of Debating
Society, in which they could ventilate their opinions
at the expense principally of the Government they
professed to support. It was the practice of the
then Heine Secretary to vote for these motions, but
to give them only a very feeble and dubions sup-
port in his speeches. The result of this combina-
tion was, as we have said, that Wednesday was a
black day for the Government, scarcely ever pass.
!rig over without a defeat more or less damaging. It
is only due to Sir George Grey to say that under his
administration these defeats have been much fewer,
—whether from the greater discretion of members,
or the better tactics of the Home Secretary, or both
combined, it is now scarcely worth inquiring. The
debate and division of yesterday,- however, read
like a return to the former practice. The Govern-
men. t contrived to get itself signally defeated by a
majority of fifty-six on a question on which there
was no occasion to have sustained any defeat at all.
In 1859 the House, under the leadership of Lord
Russell, defeated the Reform Bill of Lord Derby,
and in 1860 the new House of Commons, yet fresh
from contact with their constituents, sneered, cri-
ticized, and talked down the six-pound franchise
which Lord Russell had proposed. Dire predic-
tions were uttered that this outrage would rouse
the indignation of the constituent bodies through-
out the country. But those who listened for the
avenging storm listened in vain. Not even a cloud
as large as a man's hand rose out of the ocean
of popular opinion, and with almost universal ac-
quiescence a measure on which two Governments
had successively staked their existence was suf-
fered to fall into oblivion. So entirely has the
impossibility of passing a Reform Bill in the pre-
sent House of Commons been recognised, that
scarcely has the Government been taunted in the
hottest party debates with its neglect to fulfil the
very engagements on the strength of which it ejected
its antagonists from power. Opinion wasin the main
just, and, without inquiring too minutely into the
sincere desire of the Government to pass the mea-
sure it had introduced, the public recognised that
the rejection of the bill was more the act of the
House than of the Government, mere the act of
the Liberal than the Conservative party, and more
the act of the constituencies themselves than of any
or either of them. It has, however, p
leased Mr.
Baines, unmindful of these things, to bring in what
has been facetiously called a one-barrelled Reform
Bill of his own, and to level this detonating
instrument pointblank at the Government. Thus
challenged, the course to be taken by the Govern-
ment would seem to have been exceedingly
plain. Without entering into the merits of the
question, they might have stated plainly and
honestly the reasons which had induced them to
abstain from the introduction of a new Reform
Bill, and insisted that the liberty which they denied
to themselves they could not possibly accord to a
private member. They might have urged with ir-
resistible force that such a measure should be
brought in by a Government responsible to the
house and to the country, or not at all ; and they
might have declined most reasonably to be dragged
into a discussion which could have no practical re-
sult, except to excite expectations which were not
likely to be gratified. If, however, the Govern-
meet decided to support the measure of Mr. Baines,
and thus to record a condemnation of themselves
for not having introduced a similar bill, their course
was equally plain. They should have treated the
bill like the bill of Mr. Locke King, merely as a
declaration that the franchise ought to be lowered
without committing themselves any further.