The Sun.
London, England, 1852-03-24 00:00:00

THE SUN,

and, he was bound to say, of the last also, in reference
to this most important question, was not at all influenced
by the information to which he had referred. Ir the
Hon. Gentleman thought that the contending claims
between Turkey and Egypt had only for their foun-
dation e. conspiracy of discarded workmen from Egypt,
he could easily understand from what. sources the Hon.
Gentleman obtained infertnetion of that description; but
those claims were founded on existing treaties, on the
interpretation of those treaties, on the laws of the
country, and on traditionary interests of the utmost im-
portance. It was impossible for the Government to ac-
cede to the motion. which, if adopted, would lead to the
production of a variety of information referring to ne
gotiations now pending. The attention of the Govern
ment of this country was of course directed to the settle-
ment of the mutual relations that should subsist between
Turkey and Egypt, with a due conviction of the great
importance to the interests of this country, and of the
world generally, that those relations should ho cetab-
fished ou a proper and legitimate basis. He felt it hie
duty, therefore, to oppose the motion of the Hon. Gen-
tleman, and be did so on the intelligible and simple
ground that the transactions to which he referred were
in an imperfect state, and that it would hive a most iu-
jurious effect on the public service if those papers were
produced.
Lord J. RUSSELL entirely agreed with the Right
Hon. Gentleman that this was a subject of the highest
importance and delicacy, mid thought he was quite right
in opposing this motion. He thought the Hon. Gentle-
man who made this motion was mistaken as regarded
the guarantee of England. This country was a party to
the settlement of Egypt as an hereditary pashalic in the
family of Mehemet Ali, bat by no means guaranteed the
conditions on which the relations between the Sultan and
the Pasha should subsist. The interference of this
country was a matter of the utmost delicacy. We were
on the most friendly terms with the Sultan and with the
Pasha of Egypt, and we might therefore not only give
counsel generally, but might even advise the Sultan to
allow the Pasha the power of inflicting capital punish-,
ment, without reference to Constantinople, if we thought
proper to do so; hut, at the same time, such inter-
ference could only be received as the counsel of a friend,
and only by being couched in the most conciliatory
terms could such advice be well received. He could not
but think that the production of these documents would
tend to prevent the success of the object in view, and
that it would be better to leave the matter in the hands
of the Executive. No man was better fitted than our
Ambassador at Constantinople to manage such affairs,
and if instructions were given to him by the Government
at home they would be faitufully executed by that distin-
guished person.—(Hear.)
Mr. HUME said that in 1839 we dispatched to Egypt
50 sail-of-thesline to conquer' the Pastes and to place
Egypt under the Sultan, with the guarantee of England
and France that certain powers should be continued to.
the Pasha. There were documents in which it appeared
that the. Sultan, while he was speaking in the fairest and
most flattering manner, was preparing troops to over-
whelm Egypt, but England stepped in at the risk of the
peace of Europe and carried by force of arms success to
the Sultan, on the condition that certain rights should
be secured to the Pasha. He regrettei to find that there
appeared to be an intention to destroy the treaty in
guaranteed; but, as the Right Han. Gentleman said the
production of these documents would be injurious to the
public service, ho trusted his Hon. Friend would with-
draw his motion for the present.
Mr. MILNES did not believe that the Noble Lord the
late Foreign Secretary would ever consent to the inter-
pretation of the treaty, that England was to guarantee
the independence of Egypt—(Hear, hear)—that it would
necessarily enforce the maintenance of it; but he be-
lieved the Noble Lord and the public sense of diplo-
macy in England agreed that the parties to that ar-
rangement were morally bound by every means
in their power to support the Pasha of Egypt
in just end independent authority.—Hear, hear.)
At the same time, he must say it was hardly
fair to look upon this cpestion without considering
in some degree that the edict lately put forth by the
Sultan was a very great advance in the civilization of
that part of the world. Since that edict hail been pro-
mulgated, not only had the Christian people living under
the dominion of the Suit in been treated in a totally
different manner from that in which they w.re before
treated, but the principles of goof goverment had been
established to a great extent. If the Pacha of Eg> pt
could so put his case to the Ceurt of Constantinople as
to make it appear that he would only allow capital
puni.hment to follow on a just trial and fair conviction,
he did not believe that the Sultan would deny to the
Pacha the power which her Gracious Majesty committed
to the lianas of the governors of our own, colonies. With
regard to the question of railroads, he could not conceive
that the Sultin could ever have seriously contemplated
the prevention of such a great improvement in what
might still be considered his own dominions. He be-
lieved that the present Pacha had the real welfare of
Egypt at heart, and would try to improve his country by
solid and practical reforms; and, it the questions between
him and the Porte were left to the mediation of Sir S.
Canning and Mr. Murray, he (Mr. Mllnes) believed that
they would be satisfactorily arranged.
Mr. ANDERSON, in reply, said, that after the ob-
servations of his Right Honourable Friend, he could not
think of pressing this motion. As to the delicacy of the
question, however, he must say that no such delicacy was
shown in 1839, when the Pacha had the Sultan prostrate
at his feet. The Hon. Gentleman who had last spoken
had referred to the mediation of Sir S. Canning and Mr.
Murray, but there was a general opinion that they did
not pull well together, though in his (Mr. Anderson's)
opinion, Mr. Murray was pulling the right way. The
railroad that was wanted in Egypt was the railroad be-
tween Cairo and Suez—the other was entirely for the
internal improvement of Egypt; but the Pacha could not
make either of these railroads unless he had the permis-
sion of the Porte to do it. He believed that never had
there been a Pacha of Egypt who had effected so much
practical good for his country as the present. He bad
remitted taxation to the amount of 1,500,000/. sterling,
and bad relieved the people from the bondage they were
in by allowing them to go to any part of the country
they pleased. With respect also to capital punishments
in Egypt, ho found that during the three years preced-
ing the reign of the present Pacha the number was six-
teen per annum, while during the three years afterwards
it was only seven.
The motion was then withdrawn.
THE TOWN OF ENNIS.

The O'GORVIA—NM An 6Nthenroso for the pur-
pose of calling the attention of the House to the subject
matter of the petition presented from the town commis-
sioners of Ennis. The Hun. Gentleman said that the
gentlemen from-whom the petition emanated were com-
paratively personally disinterested, and that their mo-
tive in addressing that House was to obtain, through its
medium, protection from the deep wrong inflicted on the
poor of the town of Ennis. The river Fergus ran
through the town, taking its source about eight or nine
miles above it. A loan. was obtained by the proprietors
in the neighbourhood of the town for the Board of
Works to effect the drainage of the lands near the river;
but, instead of commencing an outlet to facilitate the
exit of the water, at the instigation of the gentlemen
named in the petition, they deepened the river near its
source, and thus, by collecting all the water superabun-
dant on the adjacent lands, created a facility for inun-
dating the town of Eonis.—(A laugh.) Under these
circumstances, the petitioners prayed the House to
insist on the Commissioners of the Board of Works
completing the work they had undertaken. He had,
year after wear, impressed this matter on the late Go-
vernmeait, 'and believed that the Right Hon. Baronet near
him had, at last, been disposed to meet the whiles of the
people of Ennis to a certain extent. What he asked
tram the Chancellor of the Exchequer was a loan, to be
advanced on the security of the tolls of the town of
Ennis, an arrangement to which he had no doubt that
the owner of those tolls (Colonel Wyndham) would
assent. The Hon. Gentleman concluded by moving
that the Board of Works in Ireland be directed torch-
with to proceed with the completion of the drainage
above the town of Ennis.
Sir C. WOOD said, that he had on former occasions
pointed out , to his Hon. Friend that, before anything
could be done practically in the matter, it would be
necessary
to have a Bill passed under which local Com-
missioners could be appointed for administering any
loan that the Government might make for the desired-
purpose&
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said-he
had only had an opportunity that day of reading the
petition enforced by the Hon. Gentleman opposite, but
it appeared from the petition itself that the fault of the
non-progress of the works rested not with the Board of
Works, but with the proprietors of the locality, who had
refused that second assent which was required by. the
Arterial Drainage Act. The Hon. Gentleman should
appeal, therefore, rather to those proprietors than to the
Chancellor_ of the Exchequer.
for the improvementth
pro-
prietors O'BRIEN said, that the reason why the pro-
_rs had refused their second assent was, that the
Boar€lof Works had expended the first grant allowed
remu-
nerate them to
tirely futile that of the Fergus in a manner so en 7
a _ve proprietors saw it would not remu-
had arisen under thes
de-
voting his attention to thein:sahugbiej.ect, and
Mr.
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()Tee their money.
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observed, that the greatest confusion
Aot. He had been s
theom
some
simplyeetin g oafndthintelligible
hseaxaetctifted.—(llear.) , •
measure
whichh eh
awhvooepueldd prepared before
these works to be satisfactorily
thestate-.
been‘ pursued
enable
Mr. GROGAN expressed
talent just made by the Right Hon.isanetedtiE""
Irish
estimated
ney General, fir under the system that haden'4 Attor-
ney
late great hardship had been inflicted uehannthe
landed proprietors. In almost every case
expense of these works had been greatly exceeded, and
in some cas.s the amount had been nearly trebled.
The O'GORMAN MALLON briefly replied. Until
that evening be had never beard a word about the mode
of settling the question by bringing in a Bill, but now
that that course had been
:suggested be looked upon his
object as accomplished, and intimated his intention of
introducing a Bill at us early a period as possible.
Thh motion was then withdrawn.
BORNEO.
Mr. HUME moved an address for a copy of a letter
from Mr. Robert Burns to Viscount Palmerston, dated
Singapore. the 28th day of June, 1851, with its en-
closures,
complaining of the obstructions and discou-
ragements he had received to his commercial affairs in
Borneo at the hands of her Majesty's Commissioner
and Consul-General to the Sultan end independeLt
chiefs
commer-
cialf proceedingsofßorneo, while prosecuting his lawful
in that country; together with a copy
had no
o
oany answer thereto. He believed his Hon,. Friend
near him (Mr. Drummond) was anxious to take that op-
portunity
r J. Brooke,
of renewing an old debate with reference to
that -his :presentbumtohiOnbfhg to assure his on• Friend
tion, but was merely fair
already product- a. There would reference. tolithatcries-
in continuation dame
renewing the old debate herweaTld be ample means for
Mr. DR,L'MMOND. saidwhat‘'l.. •
son, Friend's
putting repotttod notices oil the palm