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hs reminded the House of the New Zealand Bill,
the importance of which was only equalled by the
number of its clauses, and said he expected that on Monday
souse idea would be given by Government what their inten-
tions were with respect to that important Bill, I agree that
it is a Bill of the utmost importance, and I should deplore
the circumstance that this Bill, which attempts to establish
a right principle of colonial administration, under happy
auspices, should be defeated by any occurrence con-
nected with the abrupt termination of Parliament.
But, Sir, what is the bulletin of Monday night upon this
subject—that night upon which I was called upon to state
exactly the intentions of Goverment with regard to public
business? The New. Zealind Bill has not only got into Com-
mittee, but has nearly got through Committe?.—(Hear,
hear.) In fact I may say, that out of more than 80 clauses,
72 have been disposed of, and, with the exception of some
which refer to what may be almost called a private and a
local subject, the great questions connected with this Bill,
which is to give a new constitution to an interesting colony,
the great questions are all settled in this House; and it is
hardly possible to conceive that the state in which the New
Zealand Bill is now found could at all justify her Ma-
jesty's Government in relinquishing the hope of speedily
passing this Bill through the House.—( Hear.) Then there
is another colonial measure, also referred to by the Right
Honourable Gentleman—the Hereditary Casual Revenues
Bill, which, to use the language of the Right Hon. Gentle-
man, is a measure of " primary importance." Now, perhaps,
the House will allow me to remind them of the nature of this
Bill. The law officers of the Crown have expressed their
doubts, and more than doubts, whether these branches of
casual revenue, which now assume very great importance
in the auriferous colonies of Australia, might not be, by the
2. rict letter of the law, applicable to the consolidated fund,
instead of being applied, as her Majesty's Government
wished, to the benefitrof the colony in which they were disco-
vered. No one can doubt but that this is an object to attain
which would not excite any very great party feeling, or re-
ceive any very great opposition; and when I mention that
the Bill which is to confer this highly beneficial and ad-
vantageous privilege upon the colony is composed of only
two clauses, it is not a very presumptuous expectation on
the part of her Majesty's Government to hope that they
may be as successful with it as they have hitherto been in
that foremost Bill with regard to colonial legislation relating
to New Zealand.— (Hear, hear.) There are two other Go-
vernment Bills which the Right llon. Gentleman referred to
as connected with the colonies, and really, with the excep-
tion that the word " bishop" does appear in the titles of these
Bills—and I know how unfortunate the word sometimes is in
exciting debate in this House, and in calling forth the ;irre-
gular energy of the Hon. and Learned Member for Youghal
—(A laugh)—l should hardly suppose that there would be
any opposition to these two Bills. Oneof them, the Bishopric
of Quebec Bill, is in f act only to take care that in the diocese
already divided one of the bishops should not retain the,
whole of the episcopal property, but should divide it with his
brother bishop, and I should hardly think that this measure
would be opposed, more especially as it consists only of two
clauses, and has already passed the other House of Parlia-
ment.— (Hear, hear.) I think, therefore, it is not rash to
suppose that even that Bill may soon pass into law without at
all procrastinating the conclusion of the session. There is a
fourth Bill, called the Colonial Bishops Bill, and that is a mea-
sure which is also of very small dimensions, its only object being
to relieve the Indian bishops from a disability which, in the
case of the other colonial bishops, does not exist.. It is,
therefore, a Bill essentially just in its provisions. It is one
which I cannot say is of that urgent nature which, generally
speaking, all the Bills are which her Majesty's Government
have brought forward; but it is a Bill of a very important
character, and yet very slight in its dimensions, and I hope it
will receive the sanction of Parliament.— (Hear, hear.) I
have now gone through two of the most important groups of
projected legislation to which the Right Hon. Gentleman
referred, but the colossal catalogue was not limited to these
two groups. The next subject to which the Right Hon. Gen-
tleman alluded for those proofs of the unsatisfactory state of
public business which he adduced, refers to the department
which is presided over by my Noble Friend the President of
the Board of Works. There are three Bills on the table of
the House which have been placed there by my Noble
Friend. The first of these is the Intramural Interment Bill, a
Bill which, I believe, has the concurrence of a great majority
in this House, and which it is the public wish, as weil as
the wish of the majority of this House, should pass into
law.--(Hear, hear.) lam not prepared, I confess, to re-
nounce the hope, not only of passing that Bill, but of
passing it quickly, and with but slight opposition. There
is also another Bill, the Metropolitan Water Bill; but re-
member that that Bill has already been referred to a Select
Committee, and it comes down, therefore, to the House
with the advantage of the criticism of that Select Commit-
tee, and the approbation of a tribunal to which the House
always looks with great respect, and therefore I think I am
warranted in believing that it can be passed without post-
poniog the termination of this session.—(Hear.) There is
another Bill laid upon the table of the House, by my Noble
Friend (Lord J. Manners),—the Metropolis Buildings Bill,
and, as there seems such a keen desire to resist legislation
on the part of some Hon. Gentlemen, from the fear that they
may be overwhelmed with it, and, as it is necessary, in
order to give Hon. members an opportunity of making
any observations in reply, that I should conclude with
some motion, I am prepared to move, at the
proper time, that the order of the day for the second
reading of that Bill might be discharged. —<" Hear," and a
laugh.) I have now gone through three of the great di-
visions which the Right Hon. Gentleman brought to our
notice. All our measures of legal rerorm are fast arriving at
that safe harbour to which I believe they are destined.—
(Hear.) All our colonial Bills have also made very great
progress since the Thursday when the attention of the coun-
try and of the House was called to the unprecedented posi-
tisn of Parliamentary business • and of the two Bills which
are under the charge of my Noble Friend the President of
the Board of Works, one of them has been referred to a Se-
lect Committee, which, as I before said, will tend to make its
progress through the House more rapid, and the other has
received out of doors and in the Housesuch a degree of favour
that I cannot doubt it will in due time pass into a law.—
(Hear, hear.) Sir, there were, however, other circum-
stances in the state of public business on which the Right
Hon. Gentl-man dilated in terms of impressive solem-
nity, and which seemed to produce a considerable effect
at the moment upon the feelings of the House. The Right
Hon. Gentleman called the attention of the House of Com-

objection to give the maps, but they could only employ
those petious who were regularly engaged on the Irish
er Scotch surveys to tualca the tracing_:. Tee OrduaDce
were now obliged to pay Lill the modey they received for
those maps icto the 'l'reasury, hut, if they re-
ceived a HUM of money for the purpow, they would be
very happy to supply these r34pi to the country.
THE CAPE.

• Mr. ADDERLEY rose to :IA the Secretary of State
for the Colonies whether thedssn
isipgatcoht-itsjeusotnstuirturitvioend
from the Cep pa
announced the
ordinances, including the aherations of the franchise
against which the Attorn,y-General protested; what
information had been received relating to the rumoured
advance of Przetorius against the Z 'ohs; and whether
treaties were actually entered into with the Kafir chiefs
for the termination of the war? The papers and letters
just received were fall of the importance of the expres-
sions of Lord Derby last ye r, waen he said in the de-
bate on the Cep in the House of Lords,—
" He might have hesitated to grant so large a measure
of representative government as that now proposed to be
granted to the colony, but he would say that, as such a
proposal had been made on such high authority, and as
it had obtained the sanction of the colony, and the im-
plied sanction of the Crown, any danger or risk was to
be encountered rather than not to fulfil those expecta-
tiong; arid he would not bate one jet of the popular in-
stitutions prop )sed to be confided to the colony, however
anxious he might he as to the working of those institu-
tioas in the first instance."
He wished also to know if the. Government intended to
carry out their legislation on the subject this session?
Sir J. PAKINGTON said that the question of which
the Honourable Member had given notice embraced
three points, to which he bad added a fourth, and, in re-
plying, he (Sir J. Pakington) would take ahem seriatim.
A s the Honourable Member had given notice of the
question on Saturday, he presumed the Honourable
Member referred to the accounts which came over a
week ago with Sir Harry Smith, and he might not be
aware that a mail had arrived this morning. By the mail
of a week ago he (Sir J. Pakiegion) had received a
dispatch from General Cathcart, stating that he had
thought it to be his duty to pass the constitution ordi-
nances with the alterations made by the council; and by
the mail of this morning he had received the ordinances
themselves. As to the second question, he was very
happy to be able to state that the rumoured advance of
P;mtorius against the Zeiss not only remained without
foundation, but that by the mail this morning he had re-
ceived the agreeable information that a convention had
been agreed to bstween Prmtorius and her Majesty's
Commissioners, and that peaceful relations had been
established.—(Hear, hear.) As to the third question,
whether treaties were entered into with the Kafir chiefs,
he regretted to say he had no information that they ware,
and he was afraid, from the dispatches received from
General Cathcart, there was no reason to believe there
would be. With respect to the fourth question, he did
not know till a week ago that the ordinances had been
sanctioned by the now Governor, and as the ordinances
had only arrived this morning at the Colonial-office, he
thought the Hon. Member would admit it would be ex-
tremely' premature for him to attempt to state now what
were the intentions of her Majesty's Government on this
subject.—(Hear.)....

NAVAL RESERVE.
Sir G. PECHELL wished to ask what steps had been
taken to carry out the reserve of 5,000 men which had
been provided for by a vote of the House?
Mr. STAFFORD had to state, in reply, that no steps
had been taken to carry out that system, and that, atter
much consideration ard consultation among those best
acquainted with the subject, it was considered the scheme
was on the whole impracticable.
PRUSSIA AND NEUFCHATEL.
Lord J. RUSSELL was understood to ask whether
any communications had been received by her Majesty's
Government respecting a recent conference between the
representatives of the great Powers of Europe, with re-
ference to the claims of Prussia upon Neufchatel; and,
secondly, if the Noble Lord knew if there would be any
objection to lay the papers on the table of the House.
Lord STANLEY (who spoke in a still lower tone
than Lord John Ru•-•soll, so that he was very indistinctly
heard) was understood to reply that a conference had
been held, and a protest signed by the representatives of
the four groat powers, on the subject of the Prussian
claims on Neufchatel. There was no doubt in the mind
of Government, or, he believed, on the mind of any per-
son who had turned his attention to the subject, that
Prussia had certain rights over Neufchatel, which rights
bed been recognised by the treaty of 1815. It might
not be altogether irrelevant to observe, as it was a fact
of acme importance, that this was the first public act by
which France, under her present ruler, had recognised
the settlement of Europe made in 1815. At the pre-
sent time, at all events, it would be impossible to lay the
papers connected with this conference on the table of the
House.

PUBLIC BUSINESS.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER then rose
and said,—l promised to-day to state to the House the
views of her Majesty's Government with respect to the
business that is before the House, and in reference to its ex-
peditious dispatch. It was my intention originally to have
selected this day to express these views. I thought that
as soon as we sat alter the holidays it would be desirable
that we should come to some conclusion on this subject;
but the reason why I fixed on this day was that I thought
the House would be indisposed to have the explanation of
the views of Government made on the first day after
they met, and that it would be reasonable, instead of
taking the fag• end of the week, to select the first Monday
after we assembled for business. If it had not been my in-

tention to fix on this day, it would not have been possible mons, particularly on Thursday, to the state of the
for me to consider the dispatch of this duty, in consequence Committee of Supply. He reminded the House that
of the appeal and memorable spech made by a Rigut Hon. hitherto the expeditious way in which the Committee of
Gentleman on the re-assembling of the House. That Supply had been carried on, the promptitude with which
Right Hon. Gentleman is one who necessarily and justly we had passed our estimates, had been, as we are all but too
exercises a very great influence over the opinion of this willing to acknowledge, the consequence of the continued
House, and though, indeed, he is listened to with great forbearance of the House; but the Right Hon. Gentleman
respect upon all subjects, on none is his opinion more re- gave the House to understand that even now the remaining
garded than in the conduct of public business. The estimates amounted to millions. Oa Tnursd iy night he
statement of that Right Honourable Gentleman was calcu- called the attention of the House and of the country to the
lated very much to arrest public atteution, and to produce a important fact that there were still 200 votes which had not
very considerable effect in the House, especially among those been ped negativesassed, and that those 200 votes were to be met with 42
not very familiar with the details of the subjects the Right record
Hon. Gentleman spoke upon. Certainly he conveyed an impres- laughter.) of one Hon. Member.—( Hear, hear, and
That was the dreadful prospect for the Govern-
lion to the House and to the country that the state of public
meat at the end of the week, and that was one of the evi-
business was extremely unsatisfactory; that there was a dances of the incapacity of her Majesty's Ministry to conduct
vast accumulation of business, with a very slender prospect the business of the House of Commons. It will perhaps be
of its being disposed of, and that at the end of the present some satisfaction to the Right Hon. Gentleman to know
session there would be no possibility of dealing with the ac- that, Monde h inappearing to give that account
cumulation before us of business, all of which, as the Right which the unparNece•sented" state of Parliamentary business
come, I,
Hon. Gentleman very truly stated, was of a highly important was said to call for, can say that same plea of extenuating
and pressing character. The night Hon. Gentleman said, circumstances may be alleged ; for that now on Monday,
on that occasion, that he felt deeply on the subject, that he instead of 200 votes in suPPIY remaining to be passed,
viewed it with great apprehension, and that it was with no there are, I believe, only 19. —(Cheers.) And with
ordinary feelings of apprehension and upon no ordinary sub- regard to those 19 votes, I cannot help thinking that,m evenb
Honourable emu er
ject that he spoke, because it was net too mere reputation of with the determined spirit of the
this particular House which was at stake, in the opinion of for Youghal, the Hon. and Learned Member may
iynedtefan.d
ti-
the Right lion. Gentleman—though the reputation even of other opportunities enough for the exercise of his
this House, I thi9k, must be dear to him—but it was really gable powers—(A laugh)—and that perhaps
when
19 voteswe go
a fear that if we did not take care we should bring represen- into Committee of Su
ply again with those
we
tative government itself into disrepute.—( Hear, hear.) And, may experience even from him some little tender touch 1
that there may be no mistake on the matter, I will quote the of remorse.—(Lau titer. There were some miscellaneous
words which the Right Hon. Gentleman repeated that he bills also mentioned
by the Right Hon. Gentleman. rh
endeavoured to form some
feared : was the Navy Pay Bill. I have but I cannot
" This assembly, which has been the great landmark of opinion whether that measure can be
passed, the state-
representative government and the great example of repro- gather that there is an •• oposition to it, and when
Ad-
Andsentaaemblies throughout the world, will be brought inept is made with respect•
to it by the Secretary to the.
Bill too will pass.
into disrepute. miralty, I indulge in the hope that that I
that it will appear we are unable to transact our own , here is also the Patent-Law Amendment Bill, but may
business. Now, Sir, it would be—it must be—a most serious remind the House that that Bill has already passed the
state of affairs which could warrant such words from such a House of Lords, andthat we have referred it to a Committee
man. The Right Honourable Gentleman did not confine there; as I have beforeremarked was the case with Bills so
himself on that occasion—listened to as he was with becoming
revision which will enable it to
referred, it will attention by the House—to a mere general expression of receive atheb ,
eenerai attention of the
command much the apprehensions under which he was suffering. He went readily
yet called upon to say that
House. I cannot thinkinrethat lam yet ca into very great detail on the subject; he took a minute re- these two laws,will b advantageous to the
which I believe 3
view of the elate of the business before the House; he called
Now Sir, there are some
the attention of the House to the various subjects before country, should be renounced.
' to which the
other bills, and one rather large head,
them, grouping the several Bills on all-important matters There are two Bills
in that clear and perspicuous manner which he alwa Right Hon. Gentleman also referred.
ys with regard to Ireland. There is, first, the Valuation
commands; and he laid down the data from which he that this is a good
drew the inference he communicated to us; and which, of Land Bill, and I hear from all sides
in his opinion, warranted the apprehend ns, he felt. Indeed, measure.—(llear, hear. Why, then,
should we give it
give it up, when
I read in a very great authority on the day following than it up ?
havel chaardinootlsay that I am prepared toeasure,
and when
was evidently an herculean task to deal with the business we
ee
numbers, it iYhioinike, divisionwere 80 ut ioni4ni
n this
farayour of the Bill—
before the House of Commons; and that even to form a (Hear, hear)—and, believing that this is e Bill which is very
catalogue of it, or to enumerate it in detail, required the much to the advantage of the people of Ireland, I certainly
colossal power of intellect for which we are all willing to think the House will concur in thinking it should pass.
give the Right Hon. Gentleman credit.—(Laughter.) Under There is another Bill connected with Ireland—the Whiteboy
these circumstances, I felt an unusual responsibility placed Consolidation Bill. lam anxious at this moment that no
upon ins in the position, for which I am every day more Bill should pass, that we should proceed with no Bill which
aware lam not calculated. I felt it was a terrible responsi- is likely, I won't say to waste, but to occupy the time of
bility to incur, that under the guidance which I had been the House, unless it is of urgent necessity; and, as I agree
able to give to the business of the House, assisted by the with those who think that a Bill for the purposes of con-
kindness
of llonourable Members on both sides of the solidation can scarcely come under this head, lam prepared
House, I had brought public business not only to a perilous, not to press it forward.—(fleae, hear.) Then there were
but to a disgraceful position.—(Hear, hear.) Well, Sir, under the continuance Bills, which is the last class of measures to
that feeling I have examined, with all the assiduity the which I shall refer. The Poor-law Board Act, which is a
circumstances of the case required, the state of the public continuance Bill, now stands for a third reading; and then
business before us. Feeling that lam responsible for its there is the Encumbered Estates Act. That is a Bill
general position, I have endeavoured to see if I could in which must be continued, and I cannot anticipate that
some degree escape from the consequence of neglect of duty, any Honourable Gentleman in this House can wish that
or from the results of that incapacity with which, though that Bill should not pass.—(Hear, hear.) there remains
thet Right Honourable Gentleman was courteous enough not another Bill, which relates to a matter to which the Right
charge me, he must have felt I was liable to be accused of. lion. Gentleman said the late Government attached the
Underthe challenge ands ppeal of the Right Hon. Gentle- . greatest importance, and which must be renewed—l mean
man, I will examine very briefly the business now before us,
nthe Prevention of Crime and Outrage Act in Ireland.—
and the prospects
and ultimate fate of all the Bills to which
_l (Hear.) We have had from some Hon. Gentlemen opposite
he referred. will follow the order taken by the Right Hon.
some hints as to the opposition which is to be extended to
Gentleman, because it •
the evening referred to is now familiar to the House. Ore the renewal of the Crime and Outrage Act. Sir, whatever
larly impressed on the Housee Right Hon. Gentleman garden- opposition is offered to the Bill, as long as it respects for legal legal reform which the importance of the Bills liamentary usages, and is conducted in that courteous spirit
are be
probably inferior in importancefore them—Bills of their kind •
which I believe will always distinguish this House, that op-
House. The Right Hon. Gentl to no business before the position in cue of imminent necessity I must be prepared to
House assembled, said,
with eman on Thursday, when the meet.—(Hear, hear.) It is the opinion of her Majesty's Go-
-first, to the Common Law Procedurereference to three of these Bills vernment that the Act for Preventing Crime and Outrage in
secondly, to the Equitable JurisdictionllAmendment Bill; Ireland should be renewed—(Hear, hear)—and, inasmuch as
the Bill for the Abolition of Masters in Chancery, ;and, thirdly, to that Act consists of only one clause, giving Hon. Gentlemen
Hon. Gentleman said, to use his own phrasuecerY—the Right opposite credit for as energetic patriotism as any body of men
his own language, " Not one step has yet
been
and to pursue possess, even should they put in practice all the resources of
House with regard to any of these three Bilills taken in this
; their rhetoric, I cannot believe, it they should avail them-
introduction." He expressed a hope on Thursday that thtel selves of all the opportunities which the constitutional forms
would on Monday he able to give some information on this of this House provide them with, they will be able to de-
subject, and I have now the pleasure of reminding the Rightt feat a measure so necessary to the peace, the tranquillity,
Hon. Gentleman, that as to both of the Common Law Juris- and the prosperity of Ireland.—(Cheers.) With very
diction Bills, and the Bill for-the Abolition of Masterships in great respect, therefore, for the opinions held by those
Chancery, with respect to which not one step had been taken, Hon. Gentlemen, we shall attempt to continue that
very important steps have been taken by this time, and all Act, and I tell them I am prepared for their opposition,
three have been read a second time.—(Hear, hear.) But which, however, lam sure will be conducted according to
there were two other Bills of legal reform beside those to the spirit and
practice of this House.—(Hear, hear.) I hay©
which the Right Hon. Gentlemanll also all
and the Biullderd— the
n now
the 111onhat _nhornough the whole of the colossal catalogue of
Suitors in Chancery Reliefof Bi,
wills. As theellUiete decidel .sitHtheir Gentleman,o and I ask the House fairly to
ing alterations in the law making
that the state of
on that the state of public business,
lion. Gentleman, so great an authority upon all u on all subjects Right
is so nnsatisfa t business in the House of Commons,
reform, the very highest in this , „ c ory as was pointed out on Thursday night?
on the subject of legal
and importance of those questions. easures that have not passed, with the most
the magnitude, difficulty, anxious desire to ask the II
pleasure to inform the Right House to support nothin which I Well, on Monday, I have the do not c • onceive to
aenitude difficulty, be of the first nece 't ' g
Hon.Gentleinan that those two Bills, the m e , anxious desire that the labof . es' y, with the most
hays en- ours this Parliament should not
and importance of which could not be exceeded,be prolonged, I do not find myself
for justified, with the ex-
tirely passed through this House,—(Cheers.) So much ception of the slight and most insignia
these important hills on legal reform—two of them having which I have referred, in recommending
rtiNt instances to
entirely passed the House of Commons, three of them having any of these Bills.—(Hear, hear.) 'Theyeappeawr
withdrawal of
been read a second time, and no material opposition being necessary, and they appear to me also to be in a moomstestotpe
anticipated to their progress, I think her Blajesty's Govern-
factory state ofe progress, so that all of them ma a be-
ment are not arrogant or presumptuous in saying that they passed consistently with that termination of the yses-
would pass the Legislature arid become law without at all
interfering with that termination of Parliament which is : I claim no credit to the Government for this state
now so rife in every one's mouth. Well, the Right lion. ,of the public business, and I say that most un-
Gentleman then proceeded, with all the clearness which cha-
e I feignedly. It is a state of the public business, in my
Bills cacterizes his mature statements, to another group of
ms I 0 nnion, satisfactory, but it is due and due only to the good
which were: still on the table thoee which he de- . sinse and the good temper of the House of Commons.—
scribed as colonial Bills. On Thursday last, calling --P: ) And, Sir, when I heard the- highest authority
on me on Prim:lay to give an aceount of the int •of intentions (Cheers.
the present state of business, and say, with all
Government, with that influence Which became his • •dilate upon
e situation, I