The Sun.
London, England, 1852-02-09 00:00:00

THE EXPRESS
EDITION•

SUN OFFICE, EIGHT O'CLOCK

WHO'S TO WIN THE DERBY?
This question will be sat sfactorily answered on the Ist o
March, by THE WIZARD OF THS OR in a pamphlet which,f
besidei the opinions of all the Newspaper Prophets and Advertising
Tips, will also contain the List of Prooable Starters, and the Jockies
engaged to ride. It will also reveal the mysteries of the Sporting
Press In connexion with the Turf, and prove to demonstration that
the Public are scandalously robbed by the Blatheramskite Tips.
Price is., post is. 4d.
Tickers, Holywell-street, Strand ; and all News Agents.

FRANCE.
There has been another capital conviction at
Clamecy. Ten trials have taken place there without
having brought to the light proof of the atrocities
alleged to have been committed on the female inha-
bitants. As the Government has suspended all trials
by courts •martial, and ordered the documentary
evidence to be referred to central commissions, there
will be no further opportunity of tesing the truth of
these reports, which, if well founded, would have
rendered the name of Clamecy synonymous with the
worst abominations of which history wskes men'ien.
Such a subj-ct ought to have been openly and
thoroughly investigated.
The Prince President of the Republic has received '
from the Queen of Spain, the King of Holland, the
King of Sardinia, and the King ot Bavaria, answers
to his letter notifying the new powers conferred on
him by the French nation. These answers were
delivered respectively by the Marquis de Valdegemay,
Baron Rigel, the Chevalier de Collegno, and M. de
Wendland, the diplomatic representatives at Paris of
the above Sovereigns. The Marquis de Valdegamas
he; also presented a letter announcing the birth of the
Princess Royal of Spain.
A decree in the Afoniteur raises to the dignity of
Grand Officer of the Legion of Honour, the Marquis
de Turenne, an ex-Peer of France. Another decree
names M. de Chambourgr, Prefect of the Jura, and M.
G. de Romand, Prefect of the Saone-et-Loire,
Knights of the Legion of Honour.
General Roguat, aide-decamp to the President of
the Republic, has addressed the following letter to
Madame Peyronni, whose husband was condemned
to transportation by the council of war a, Berdeaux
for having taken part in the troubles ot Zdarmande:—
" The Elysee, Feb. 6.

from the payment of advances that had been made to I
them. 1

AUSTRIA.
Mr. C. ANSTEY gave notice that to-morrow he
should ask a question of the Government relative to the
expulsion of a Protestant clergyman and other British
subjects from Austria.
RECAL OF SIR HARRY SMITH.
Mr. J. WILMA US rose to put a question to the
Noble Lord at the head of her Majesty's Government re-
lative to the recal of Sir Harry Smith. The Noble Lord
had on a former evening read to the House a communi-
cation from her Majesty to the Foreign Secretary
relative to the duties of his office, and he
wished to know whether a similar communication had
been addressed to the Colonial-office, and whether iu
consequence of that communication the dispatch cor,-
taining the reotl of Sir Harry Smith had been submitted
to her Majext- ?—(Hear, hear.)
Lord J. RUSSELL said that at the time those in-
structions of her Majesty had been conveyed to the Fo-
reign Secretary, her Majesty had expressed herself de-
sirous of having all important decisions with regard
to colonial matters transmuted to her, but did not re-
qure to have the dispatches sent to her. With regard to
the dispatch alluded to, he could not say what had been
the course pursued; but he could assure the House that
the decision for recalling Sir H. Smith was the decision

Madame,—The Prince President (-,f the Republic
hal just commuted the punishment of your husband, M.
P. y:onni. condemned to transportation.
" Receive, Madame, &e., " ROGIIET."
There it at the present moment in the prisons of
the department of the Seine 6,685 persons confined,
4,605 men and 2,080 women. The military prisons
contain 739 person.. These numbers are inferior to
those of the preceding years.

SWEDEN.
At Stockholm on the 24th ult. a powder magazine
blew up, and caused great damage and consternation.
More than 1,000 windows were broken, 100 of which
were those of the rayil The ;ot.il damage in
the city is estimated at 115,000 rixdollars (about
430.000 f.) It is not known how many lives were
destroyed. Only two bodies had been dug cut of the
ruins of the magazine when the accourit lett.

of the Caoinet.
ENCUMBERED ESTATES (IRELAND).
Mr. FRENCH ruse to ask the Master of the R ,1111 thr
following question:—The Incumbered Estates Com-
missioners in having sold part of the estate of
I,lr. Freeman, which was leased for two lives at a rent
which lett to the lessee a profit rent of 691. a year, and
having execut,d a conveyance of the lands to Mr. Deane
in March, 1851, discharged of that lease—to whom is
the lessee to look for his 691. a year during the time

such lives rt main in existence?
The MASTER of the ROLLS declined to answer the
question of the Hon. Member, as, if he were to do so,
it would be perfectly competent for any Hon. Member
concerned in obtaining redress of a legal grievance to
ask any legal Member of that House what u)urse would
be bett for him to pursue to obtain that right.
LOSS OF THE AMAZON.
Lord NAAS moved that all the correspondence which
has taken place between the Admiralty and the Admiral
commanding at Plymouth relative to the loss of the
Amazon steam-ship should be laid on the table of the

Hou,e•—Agreed
Lord NAAS gave notice that he would move for a
copy of the corru.pondanee
SAFETY OF THE CHANDELIERS.
Lord J. MANNERS wished to know whether Lord
Seymour had to day received a communication as to the
insecurity of the chandeliers above the heads cf Mem-
bers 2—(A laugh.)
Lord SEYMOUR said he had not, but that a few days
ago he received a stitremenr, signed by the contractor
and others, assuring him that the lamps were perfectly

safe.— (Rear.)
(At thin period great amusement was created in con•
sequence of the lights being so lowered as to render the
House very dark.)

ITALY.

Lord J. MANNERS thought it would be better at
once to call Dr. Hod to the bar.—(Hear.)
SALMON FISHERIES IN IRELAND.

Mr. CONOLLY gave notice that this day week he
would move for leave to bring in a Bill on the subject of
salmon fisheries in Ireland —(Loud laughter.)

MILI TIA:LAWS.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL postponed his motion on the
militia-laws till Friday.
SUPPLY.
The report of the Committee of Supply was brought
up, and addresses agreed to praying her Majesty to hi
pleased to order that the estimates fur the two services
be laid on the table.
MR. F. O'CONNOR.
The SPEAKER announced, amidst much laughter,
that he had received a letter from Mr. Henry, the Bow-
street magistrate, stating that ne had convicted Mr. F.
O'Connor on a charge of assaulting a police constable, and
sentenced him to seven days imprisonment.

Accounts from R )rne of lie 31st ult. state :

Au,triaa ioverument has ju,t cff-'red to the
Poritificial Government such great facilities for th..,
creation of a I{ roan army, that that measure
may now be cor,st.li red as definitively decide.: on.
The effective strength of the Pontifical troops was
settled by the treaties of 1815 at 20 000 men. The
following is the plan in whien this matter wilt
be carried out. All tho existing corps will be
disbanded and remodelled; two regiments of a foreign
legion will be recruited for out of the country. Aus-
tria lends the town of Como as the centre of forma-
tion for this force ; each of these regiments will be
2,500 song. These 5,000 men will none of them be
Italians, and as far es can be, Swiss, Austrian, and
Bavarian. Baden will 251.0 furnish its contingent. Two
R.-mati or Italian) regiments, each of 3500 men,
will be formed from the remnants of the regiment of
Geards and other troops were in course of organlai-
tion. The gendarmerie will be carried up to a strength
of 5.000 men. 4 000 of whom are already enrollet!. A
battalion of loot chasseurs of from 1,200 to 1.500
atroeg, a regiment of dragoons, and one or two bri-
gml!Es of artillery, will complete this force of 20,000
men. This plan is certainly well conceived as to the
obj,ct which it is sou ht t i attein. The 5,000 gen
darnies. the 5000 Swiss and Germans, and the •net-
alion of cha.seura, coma:oided by lkl. Alderon-Po-
-I.)mhs, an oflic r devoted to the Holy See, will form
an eff etive force, which will ensure the fidelity
of the two native regiments, and will permit the Ponti-
fical Government to protect itself with its own troops.
Unfortunately the ferinatioti and the support of this
army will entail fresh charges on the treasury. Tti,
ne.cessary outlay is estimated at about 2,000,000 of
which ii :tuc, übont the amount of the deficit of
last year. However this may be, this necessary
measure hls been too long wanted for to be
any Linger delayed ; France has constantly
recommended it to be dune, and Anatria, it is said, now
lends her cc-operation. Some Roman subjects who had
joinel in a more or less active manner the Roman re-
volution, but who bad received permission to remain in
the Holy City, have just received orders to quit the
Rmlan stater. Some new names have also been added
to the list, of such of the inhabitants us cannot leave
their houses betore sunrise, or remain out of them after
sunset."
The Giornale di Roma publishes a curious decree
in the Larin language, concerning an application for
the canonization of " the servant of God, Caspar del
Bufalo, a canon of the Basilica of St. Mark, at Rome,"
born in 1786. After recounting that the Reverend
Canon showed an extraordinary devotion from his
earliest childhood, and that his life and death were
such throughout as to impress every one with the
conviction that he was a saint, the document pro-
ceeds t o state that an application was made to the
Sacred Congregation of Apostolical Benediction, to
examine into the alleged virtues of the said Reverend
Canon, and the miracles he was enabled by the grace
of God to perform. Whereupon, notwithstanding
ten years had not yet elapsed since the application,
Cardinal Altieri having proposed the question to the
Congregation, " whether it be meet to sign the
"mtaission for the introduction of his case before the
Congregation ?" the question was decided in the
affirmative on the IWh ult., and the decision of the
Congregation confirmed on the 16th. This decree is
signed by Cardinal Lambruschini.
A French soldier belonging to the 321 Regiment
convicted of having murdered a Roman
tavern-keeper, was sentenced to death, and shot on
the 26th, on the Pi-zza del Popolo.

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.
(THIS EVEN IN G.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS-
The SPEAILER took the Chair a few
minutes before
Four o'clock.
STANDING ORDERS
moved COMMITTEE.t
Mr. WILSON PATTENmraqilleintment of
Ur. Greene,
the Committee on Standing Orders:— on .Patten,
Mr. Ord. Sir Robert Ferguson,
Yards Buller. Mr. Aglionby, Captain Jobe., mryl-ohn
Drummond, Mr. Wrlv„htaon, Mr. Evelyn Denison, game
Mr. Henley,—Agreed to.
tment of
COMMITTEE OF SELECTION.
Mr. WILSON PATTEN moved the sppoin
the Cominitte of Selection Robert Ferguson, Mr,
Evelyn Denison, Mr. Sotheron, Sir John Yards Bailer,
and the Chairman of the Committee on Standing Orders.
—Agreed to.
'rise Sheriffs of London and Middlesex appeared at
the bar of the House, and presented a petition from the
Corporation, praying for leave to bring in a Bill to effect
improvements in the City thoroughfares.
Mr. 'I. DUNCOMBE presented a petition from the
postmasters of Finsbury, praying for an alteration of the
Excise-lags relating to post horses.
Lord D. STUART presented a petition from Maryle-
bone praying for Parliamentary reform.
Mr. OSBORNE presented a petition from Galway,
praying for an inquiry into the operation of the Annui-
ties Act.
Mr. H. BERKELEY presented a petition from Bristol,
signed by several thousand persons in favour of Parlia-
mentary reform.
Mr. HUME presented petitions from the inhabitants
of Chelsea, Kensington, and Fulham, praying that they
might be represented in any scheme of Parliamentary
reform.
Mr. HUME presented a petition from 4,500 bankers,
merchants, and traders in the borough of Liverpool
for the reappointment of the Committee on the Pro-
perty-tax, and to extend tho inquiry into the pressure
of direct and indirect taxation.
Mr. LAN GS CON presented a petition from Oxford,
Praying for electoral districts, triennial Parliaments, and
tote by ballot.
SirEs;e R. 11. INGLIS presented petitions from places iu
lights,.e grant to Ma) ,nooth
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POPULATION -RETLTRNS•
of the populaion
Mr. DISRAELI moved for a return
of each county of England and Wales,
of 1841, giv,-a in
the same form as the census.
Sir GEORGE GREY said that returns had been
already moved for, which would give tho information
required by the lion. Member.
Mr. DISRAELI said in that case he would not preys
his motion.
ECCLESIASTICAL SALARIES.
in reply to Sir R. a INGLIS,
Sr:, B. CALL intim.s.tfd that it was not his intention
to bring on
his motion on Thursday relative to the in-
m
coes of ecclesiastical functionaries, but he should do
re
on ~n early '3'l aftermard4, when he hoped the
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PARLIAMENTARY REFORVI.

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Lord JOHN RUSSELL then rose to move for leave
to bring in a Bill to extend the right of voting for
Members of Pas hament, and to amend the laws
relating to the representation of the people. The state
of affairs, he said, in which he brought this motion for-
ward ought to be satisfactory to the House and to the
country.— (Hear, hear.) During the last four years
we had seen wonderful changes on the continent, and
yet during that period this country had been tranquil
arid loyal, and many apparent dangers had been averted
by the courageous spirit of the people themselves.
It appeared, therefore, that this was a proper time
for considerieg whether any further extension could be
given to the right of voting consistently with the princi-
ple of the Constitution, the prerogative of the Crown, the
authority of Parliament, and the rights and liberties
of the people.—(Hoer.) There were some persons who
said that they ought rather to wait fur agitation, and
that it was better to legislate upon a subject of this kind
when the passions of the people had been raised; but ho
totally differed from that opinion. He thought if it was
desirable to make any amendment in the state of the
representation, it was well to consider the change in a
time of peace and trauquillity—to concede it as a reward
for past geod conduct, rather than to make
it as it were upon curepulsion.—(Bear, hear.) He be-
lieved, therefore, he was doing right in now bringing
forward this question.—(Hear, hear.) It had been as-
serted, but without foundation, that it was merely on the
spur of the moment, when being pressed by a
motion which was last year carried, that he gave notice
that he should bring this subject under the consideration
of the House this session.—(Hear, hear.) Now,
so far from that being the case it was stated
by him so far back as 1848, in answer
to the Honourable Member for Montrose, that he thought
the time was rapidly approaching when the further ex-
tension of the franchise might be again considered
and deliberated upon by Parliament. —(Hear, hear.)
It was then thought that it would not be advisable to
bring in such a measure, and when the subject was dis-
cussed last year in the Cabinet the reasons for post-
ponement again outweighed those for its immediate pro-
duction. That postponement, however, subjected the
Government to these disadvantages, thatin opposing such
motions it must, in giving reasons for their postponement,
be supposed to be concealing its real intention, and thus
appear to be forced to do something which it bad never
meant to do, or in stating a general intention .on the
subject it should be accused of causing apprehension and
expectation as to what the details of the measure were to
be. Tnis alternative, although attended with inconvenience,
he had preferred. Having stated thus much, he thought
it would be convenient if the House would review along
with him the measures which had been taken and pro-
posed on this subject at various times. He did not mean
to enter into the general principles of representation,
but he believed it was pretty well agreed that
the claim to the franchise in every individual
was one which could not be supported, the object to be
gained being always good government. In deliberating
on the means of obtaining the fairest measure of repre-
sention they must always bear in mind the importance of
the functions which this House exercised, equalled by
none in modern times, and scarcely by any
in ancient. In referring to the proceedings with
respect to the representation of that House, they found
that in 1781 Mr. Pitt brought forward a general motion,
which was supported by Aar. Fox, and in 1785 brought
forward a plan by which he proposed to lay aside a sum
to purchase 36 small boroughs, the Members for which ho
proposed to supply by the additional representation of
counties. This plan was founded on an idea of Lord
Chatham. That plan, however, was rejected. In 1790
Mr. Flood brought forward a measure proposing an ad-
dition of 100 Member', and Mr. Pitt then declared, that
though he had not changed his opinion, he did not think
that a time for the dissuasion of the subject. In
1822 Lord Durham proposed to divide the country
into districts, but his plan was also rejected. In 1823
he himself had brought forward a proposition to take
100 Members from the small boroughs, one from each, and
to add of these, 60 to the counties, and 40 to the boroughs,
The
Noble Lord then detailed the various propositions
which preceded the passing of the Reform Act, and which
Those
stually formed the basis on which it was founded.
who supported the Reform Bill did not shrink
from asserting that there would still be a great number of
boroughs with a small population which would not,
retuper-
haps, immediately represent any
particular interest, but
might be the means of
Members who were
well qualified to inform the Housernto n
soredeautioD questions.h It
had been said that with respect
gone too far in disfranchising boroughs which weret
in g r
au important class of Members.
He
e (yez horaed
-
r d
thought that if there were none but Me
bjs ee. nr
Rst etud.os: by
counties y
Mem-
bers,
and for large cities and towns,i;
impossible to sayimpo
would bethe country
could be fairly represented.—(Hear, hear.)
ily known for their long r 'd
For instance, none would be elected for counties excep
those who were genera residence in
them,ornot return Member cities
be excluded, and the
would
inion of the ds exc-`-
ohoerrforpltaheet,isr connexion with them, and large.
ay. Thus
they represented the PoPu afar
told be
representation would be destroyed.
completeness of the represen
many valuable idembt,rs woul
--(Hear, hear.) Other nations had endeavoured to
remedy this obvious inconvenience. The President of
the United States possessed a power for the formation of
an executive body, which was far beyond that
exercised by the Sovereign of this country. He
might utterly disregard the wishes of the Congress in
choosing his Ministers, because he could select persons
who represented any policy of which he approved.
Now the House of Commons exercised a control in that
Ex.' ;olive. He held, tberv!q./.,,,

The CIiANIJELLO3 nF the (ILIt rI
that it vi n. 5 tho in:cation of Government to bring 'ttt'ct
and i
I but c;,uttties largo cries and towns shuald
Bill on an early day to remit certain unions in Irellaun da have a voice in the representAtion.—(uw, hem%)

Nothing but absolute necessity should induce them to
resort to the practice of disfranchisement. It appeared
to him, as he had stated more than once, that nothing
but such absolute necessity should induce them to
resort to an arbitrary disfranchisement; and what they
proposed, therefore, was simply to disfranchise only in
cases of proved corruption. The second Bill which he hhould
have to bring in would propose that there should be a
considerable change in the mode of inquiry into cases
of corruption.—(Hear, hear.) He owned be thought con-
siderable damage was done in this matter by the adoption
of the Granville Act, which enabled parties to go before

a Committee with counsel and state their own case as
between A and B, and whether A and B succeeded it
was of little importance, as the question was no
longer a patty dispute in which the House end
the public at large could take an interest.—
(Hear, hear.) At length, however, Mr. Sheppard
drew attention to the subject, and he obtained the
thanks of the House for having got rid of some

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portion of the corruption which then prevailed;
but as these matters were now tried the inquiry
terminated with the success or defeat of either side.—

(Hear, bear.) There the inquiry finished, and no further
step was taken in the shape of an investigation for
the benefit of the whole community.—(Hear, hear.)

Now what he proposed to do was, that upon

an address of this House based upon any reason—i

migf tbe a report of an Election Committee—it might
be the rf-port of a Select Committee—or it might be
common fame and general repute—it should be law-
ful for the Crown to appoint a commission, which

commission should resort to the borough, and
have the same means of inquiry which had been lately
exercised with such success in the case of St. Albans.—

(Cheery.) By this mode he conceived they would
obtain evidence sufficient in many cases to
enable them to resort to disfranchisement.—(Hear,
hear.) Nor did he think the other House of ?arlia-
m.znt could complain of this, because before the
disfranchisement could take place they would
be asked to give their sanction to the step,
and have the same opportunities as this House of
forming an opinion upon its expediency.—(H.ar, hear.)

He proposed that the seats now vacant from disfran

chis: ment should be filled up by conferring upon Bir-
kenhead and Burnley the right of returning a Member
each, but if they disfranchised St. Albans there would
still be two vacancies, and those would also have to be
provided for.—(Hoar, hear.) He had now to state
what they proposed to do by this Bill with regard to Vae
extension of the franchise.—(Hear, hear.) It appeared
to him that there were grounds upon which they could
safely concede a considerable extension of the right of
voting to many of the cities and boroughs of the United
Kingdom.—(Hear, hear.) At the time of the Reform
Bill, in limiting the right of voting to householders of
101. each, he thought they did quite right, although the
limitation was placed rather higher than was absolutely
necessary; but that was a time when there was a groat
wish already for reform; and it was, therefore,
felt that too much caution could not be use
in the extension to be conceded.—(Hear, heal .)
There was another ground which had great influence
upon his mind, and that was the growing intelligence
and education of the people.—(Hear, hear.) This he
could prove, if it were necessary, by the increase in the
sale of newspapers and books, and by the geeest
number of schools which had been established since 1E31;
but he thought that the experience of every one was a ui-
ficitnt to induce to concur in the truth of this fact that
the franchise of 1831 might be safely extended at °the
present time. It was proposed, instead of fixing the
right to vote in those persons pay lug 101. rated value, to
extend it to 5/. In looking at the general returns -he
should say that the proportion of householders
paying from e/. to 10/. compared with those payin g
101. and upwards, was as 6 to 10, and it would be seen
that when they proposed to lower the franchise to 54
they would add a very great number of persons to those
at present entitled to vote. He was persuaded that the
franchise might be safely entrusted to those persons--
(Hear, hear)—and be was confidant that they were a
class in whose hands our institutions would be safe,
—(Cheers.) As regarded the counties, he did no t
propose to change that which had beeu the gene-
ral coustitucion of that House, which was plead on
a different basis from that of the representation of bo-
roughs. The great change which was effected in this
respect at the time of the Reform Bill was one
introduced by a Noble Lord not then in this
Reuse, the. present Duke of Buckingham, which
" went upon the principle of tenure. It was now proposed
to give the right of voting to persons paying an
occupying rent of 201. instead of 501, as before.
There were also a number of persons possessed of free-
hold and other property who at present did not possess
the right of voting, and it was proposed now to give the
right of voting to all such as those who paid an in-
come-tax of forty shillings per annum. Wi;le regard
to small boroughs, against which such an outcry had
been raised, he did not propose to destroy any of these,
but in order to diffuse the influence of property, which it
was objected so greatly affected elections, he proposed
in some instances to join together certain neighbouring
towns and to unite thins in one general representation.
He stated at the time of the Reform Bill that none of
the boroughs would have less than 300 electors; whilst
there were fourteen small
generally,
nthat number, there were up-
wards thirtye
with less than 400, and several
chatob ot
hrwitheoruwsgahs: the
s wh ei
t with
a less less s
than 500. He spoke of permanent
electors, 101. householders, and freemen. He
now proposed to make the limit 500, and to add places
to small boroughs which had less than 500 electors.
There were 67 boroughs to which this arrangement
appliet —(Loud cries of " Hear, bear.") These
small boroughs generally, except some in York-
shire, were in the south and west of England
They were si timed in agricultural and not commercial
parts of the country. The towns proposed to be added
were of the same character. Whether this arrange-
ment was right or wrong, politic or impolitic,
the result would be to establish the same balance
of interest which was established by the Reform Bill.
If these small agricultural boroughs were distranchised,
and the right of voting was given to manufac Luring towns,
there would be a total change of that balance—the
landed interest would be depressed, and the
manufacturing raised in its stead.—(Hear, hear.)
It might be right to adopt such a plan, and many gen-
tlemen might wish it; but he was not prepared on
the present occasion to propose any such ar-
rangement.—(Hear, hear.) If it were adopted, the
House of Commons would be the witness of fierce strug-
gles, and it might pass measures which would probably
be liable to strong opposition in the other House of
Parliament.—(Hear, hear.) There were other proposi-
tions in the Bill which he would shortly state. He stated
in a previous session that he saw no reason for re-
taining the present property qualification of Mem-
bers—that it was easily evaded—that it was contrary
to the general principles of the representation, and that
be for one would willingly see it removed.—(Hear,
hear.) Now he still maintained that opinion, and he
had introduced a clause repealing all Acts on the sub-
ject, beginning with the Act of Anne, which originally
enacted the qualification of Members.—(Load cheers.)
He proposed that the Members for England and Ire-
land should be placed in the same position as those for
Scotland, who were not required to have a property
qualification.—(Cheers.) There was another proposi-
tion he intended to introduce into the Bill,
but he could not do so until the subject was
considered by a Committee of the House. It appeared
to him that the state of the oaths taken by Members was
not consistent with religious liberty or justice.—
(Cheers.) In the first place Members were required to
take an oath renouncing all right of succession to the
throne in the Stuart family, which was not necessary now.
There was also an invidious distinction made in the oaths
between Protestants and Roman Catholics.—(Hear.)
There ought to be an oath which they could both alike
take. _(Hear, hear.) The oath of supremacy was
altogether useless, because if a Roman Catholic
came into the House with feelings of repugnance to the
Established Church, and a desire to injure it, the
oath would not prevent him exercising his feel-
ings. It would not surprise the House to
learn that the new form of oath was, generally speaking,
that taken by Roman Catholics with the omission of
hear.) The words "on the
treea
would not be introduced.—
certainfith
of words.—(Hear,aChru,,
(Cheers.) It was abundantly clear that they were not
inserted in the oath for the purpose of preventing persona
other than those professing to be Christians from euter-
ing the House.—(Hear, he ar.) He would make a sim-
ple oath of allegiance totliipThrone and fidelity to the
succession, which all MonTers could take. There was
also another proposition in the Bill, when a Member
accepted office under the Crown, he vacated
his seat and went back to his constituents,
which was no doubt a wise arrangement,
But there was another provision which appeared to him
to be totally unnecessary, and that was that when a
Member changed his office, when having been
Solicitor-General he became Attorney-General, he
then had to vecate his see', and ge ag'in
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wee unnecesiary that he should be re-elected
when he changed the office he filled, and

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