The Sun.
London, England, 1852-01-09 00:00:00

FRIDAY EVENING-,

crity. One of the persons on board the boat had merely
managed to escape with only a cloak, and this and his
shirt was his only covering. In the course of the night
this individual, supposed to be a gentleman, asked Mr.
Forster for a knife, if he had such a thing, to cut a
pocket from his cloak for the purpose of covering his
bare head. Forster told him there was no necessity for
his doing that, for that he, could give him something bet-
ter, and then cut off half a comforter, for which the in-
dividual expressed himself most grateful. Forster also
states that it is his opinion that a much greater number
would have been saved had the steam been turned off
when the fire had been discovered. The fact was that
the steam had been generated iu such quantities by the
enormous heat of the boilers, and everything surround-
ing them, and was pouring into the machinery in that
uncontrolled manner, that the machinery itself must
have been most powerful and perfect to have withstood
and prevented an explosion; but this state of things
caused the vessel to dash through the water with such
rapidity, as to retard the chances not only of getting the
b
oats into the water, but of multiplying the danger and
difficulty of getting into them.

FURTHER PARTICULARS.
(YRoM A CORRESPONDENT OF THE CHRONICLE.)
TMUR,DAY EVENING.--4 had the satisfaction
this morning of sending
you a short telegraphic dis-
patch, announcing the sate arrival at Brest, on the sth
instant, of six passengers and nineteen of the crew of
the unfortunate Amazon. I now send you a letter
which I have received from a friend in Brest, giving
some interesting details of the shipwreck, and the names
of the persons saved :
B REST, JAN. s.—The Dutch vessel, Gertruida,
Captain Tunteler, entered the roads here to-day, with
twenty-five shipwrecked persons, who escaped from a
terrible catastrophe, of which it is a miracle that they
are not the vicims. The Royal Mail steam-packet
Amez at, going to the West Indies, with a crew of
passengers, caught fire at the
entry
yt
tlo2tohemßena,yanod 7 0
of
Blseny,
during the night of the 3d of
January, in consequence of the imprudence, it is be-
lieved, of a:domestic, and after a very short time the
vessel was nothing but a burning furnace. It appears
that in the midst of the confusion occasioned by the
efforts of the passengers to launch the ordinary boats
(the two life-boats having been immediately burnt), a
great number of these unfortunate people lost their
lives. Nevertheless, seven boats were saved, and, it is
believed, received the greatest portion of the passengers;
but of the seven, two only reached the Dutch ship which
fate,goin a
has arrived here. She picked up the first boat yester-
day (Sunday, the 4th of January), at half-past six
o'clock in the evening, and the second this morning at
seven o'clock. It is unhappily to be feared that the
captain and officers, who showed great though unavail-
ing courage, have perished in the steamer when she
an envoy of the
going California for the
purpose of sending home accounts of the emigrants in
that country, assures me.
Frenchbblew
u PGovernment,k r
sach
was
who her
was
"-In the presence of such a catastrophe, the British
vice-consul (in the absence of Sir Anthony Perrier, the
consul, who is detained in Paris by his duties as a mem-
ber of the International Sanitary Commission) lost no
time in endeavouring to save tho lives of those who,
according to the accounts given by the passengers who
have arrived here, were saved in the four or five other
boats which escaped from the wreck, and which, from
all appearance, must still be struggling against the
waves. The maritime prefect was immediately applied
to, and ho at once agreed to give every assistance,
and the &affair steamer, which was in the harbour,
was immediately ordered out- Captain Cabaret, the
worthy captain of the Soufileur, prepared for sea
with a promptitude which does him great credit.
He a ill, however, have great difficulty in dis-
covering the precise position in which the melan-
choly accident happened, for the information given
by the crow and passengers rescued by the Gertruida
is so vague and unsatisfactory that he must be guided
a good deal by hie own intelligence and circumstances.
The Souffleur notwithstanding all the efforts made to
dispatch her, was not able to leave the Goulet till night-
fall; but as there is moonlight, it may be able to bo of
efficient service, and the zeal of the captain is such as
inspires great confidence.
",The whole of the shipwrecked passengers and crew,
who arrived by the Gertruida, have been brought ashore
in boats, and a more melancholy spectacle than they
presented could not be pictured. Among :them aro two
ladies and a child; and their sufferings may be con-
ceived from the fact that, besides all the other horrors
they have gone through, they were exposed to all
the inclemency of the weather, during nearly
forty-eight hears, almost in a state of nudity; for
as the fire broke out after the passengers had re-
tired for the night, and the raging element spread
through the devoted ship with desolating rapidity, they
had not time to save anything, or even to dress. Imme-
diately on the news of their arrival here, several ladies
hastened to send them the clothing they so much wanted.
'The family of Sir Anthony Perrier also hurried to the
assistance of their distressed countrywomen, and with
their ordinary humanity, had the two ladies and their
child removed to their house, where they are now re-
ceiving the care and attention which they so much re-
quire. One of the ladies—Mrs. Eleanor Roper Mac-
lennan—is severely burnt, but not to the danger of her
life. Daring the whole of the period between the alarm
of fire and the time she left the ship she clung with ma-
ternal devotion to her child (a boy eighteen months' old)
and when so many others perished, contrived to save the
lives of both. Her husband, who was in the employment
of the Government at Demerara, was also on board. She
is still ignorant of his death, believing that ho has es-
caped is one of the other boats; but her companions in
misfortune declare that they think he was blown up in
the steamer when the magazine blew up. The other lady
passenger, who has arrived here—Miss Anna Maria
Smith—comes from Dublin, and, I understand, was on
her way to Porto Rico, to join a family in which she was
to be governess. The male passengers are all comfort-
ably lodged at an hotel here, by directions of the Vice-
Consul. They are also completely destitute, both of
money and clothing, but have been amply provided with
shoes, hats, and wearing apparel, by the Vice-Consul,
who has also secured means to convey them with the
least possible delay to Morlaix, where they will be
shipped for England. It is almost unnecessary to say
that the mail-bags, as well as everything else on board
the unfortunate Amazon, have been totally lost.
"I have only to add that the captain of the Ger-
truida has acted with the most praiseworthy humanity.
He not only placed everything on board his vessel at
the disposal of our shipwrecked countryman, but had
gone out of his track to carry them to the nearest
harbour.

4, The following is a list of the persons saved in the
two boats rescued by the Gertruida, and landed at
Brest :•"..
FIRST BOAT.—Eleanor Roper Maclennan, and child,
passengers; Frederick Glennie, passenger; Bernardo
Burnicon (or, Barnicose), '
Jacob Allen, fireman at
John Lamont, fireman; William Stone,
ditto; William eWYwilaliracim'';Goodman, ditto; Henry Carter, ditto;
George
Charles Samy, ditto; George
Lacan, ditto; John Rodgers seaman; James Berryman,
ditto; Frederick Wall, sailor-boy; Michael Gould, second
steward.
•• bEcOND BOAT.--Anna Maria Smith, passenger;
winium Evans, ditto; Jean Stybus (or Strybos), ditto;
Arding, ditto;
George Deal, quartermaster; Alexander Laing, ditto;
Daniel Brown, seam"; Jo .
aep la Welchman, ditto; Thos.
Attwood, fireman."

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EXHIBITION
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seen by referring to an
s(eethrie 4th elsewhere, that the
tinoagtbtealiulenPi,edbreoeinors, and other statistics
gra m s and ats onecyhise:a-c, t theer, derivedn Exhibition
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personsT showing,
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skill in its accomplishment. There
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Chart, each of which has to beere are five colours in the
process, involving nice manipulation
by a separate
encountering a great and suddenuil—hence the difficulty of
circumstances, we think, plead a
auemand. These various
the postponement, and we have no dofficient justification for
bearance and indulgence of the public.ubt will secure the for-
THE PATENT WIRE TYPE COMPANY.
course of our notices, during the summer,''''l".• —ln the
markable displays of mechanical genius of the most re-
Great Exhibition, we directed attention toto be found in the
102, Class VI.) for the manufacture of type a machine (No.
tals, and where type was made and finishe from hard me-
feet form with the greatest rapidity, and the in the most per-
accorded to the invention. The process ore prize medal was
may remark, is this :—wire, prepared of
the size
we
the type required, is served to the machine,size and form of
acting. As the wire is drawn in the lette which is self-
its end by a die of hardened steel, and i 5
then. is struck upon
ously cut off at its proper length, and in this instantane-
chine delivers the type at the rate of one hundred per mi-
creased by the pressure it receives, a clear e metal used, in-
is given to the letter, unattainable by a and sharp outline
With these valuable properties, added to the
other means.
labour in its production, and its great durab4 vast saving of
times that of the ordinary soft cast type), itY (being sixty
not to perceive that before long cast type will is impossible
be altogether
superseded. The name of Mr. liensman, C.E.
such efficient services at the Great Exhibitfowho rendered
n, in the ar-
rangement of the machinery department), he.
ghat the list
of the directors, strongly confirms our opinienin
likely to be one of the most important, and at
the
e this is
same time
profitable, inventions of the age; while that of Mr. Harding,
the well-known official manager of joint-stock
companies, is
a guarantee to the public that the interests of shareholders
will be carefully protected.
NOTICE.—The new novel, " The Death-Flag,"
vols., by the popular author of " Geraldine of Desmond," 3
now ready at all respectable libraries in England, is
Scotland,
and Ireland. " A romance of absorbing interest."—
Bull. " Without doubt, its popularity will be only j"n
equalled
by the anxiety with which its appearance has be en looked
for."—lffessenger. 2. Just ready, " Horace Grantham - or
The Neglected Son," by Charles Horrocks, Esa' (late Cap-
tain' ,
15th Regiment). 3. oißyrne's " Pocket )
Directory to London and its Environs for 1852,"
with9st-office
&c. 4. " Alice Rivers; or, Passages in the Lieof map,
a Young
Lady, written by Herself," 2 vols., with portrait.
MoRE PENNY OMNIBUSES.—A line of
lcleanly-
looking, well-horsed omnibuses ran, for the first t.
yes-
terdav between Shoreditch and Lambeth Union e,Workhouse,
at the charge of one penny for the whole distance,
which
cannot be less than five miles. The public are now
accom-
modated with penny omnibuses along two very extensive
and
thoroughfares of the metropolis, viz., Holbornthe Bo-
rough and Bishopsgate-street, and between two of its ex-
, tremest suburbs. viz., Kingsland and Lambeth.

An Irish Roman Catholic lady, whose son is fight-
ing at the Cape, is said to have paid a heavy sum to a priest
to say masses for the souls of all the Katira who have fallen
by her son's hands.

THE ENGINEERS AND THE EMPLOYERS.
(From the Times.)
We aro greatly concerned to state, that up to the pre-
sent moment no advance has been made towards an ar-
rangement of the dispute between the engineers and
their employers. The masters have exprtneed their de-
termined resolution to abide by the terms of their
notice, and the men have announced intentions which
indicate anything but a disposition to retract. Unfor-
tunately, the questions at issue are so simple and cate-
gorical that a compromise, in the usual sense of the
word, becomes exceedingly difficult; and, though it
may appear harsh to say so, we are convinced that the
operatives ought to accept the terms of their employers,
unconditionally as they are framed. It is with great
regret that we express what seems so arbitrary an opi-
nion, but we subjoin our reasons in plain language,
both that the men may see their true position and
the public be enlightened on a case which demands
all the vigilance of the country at large.
The only official act to which the
"Amalga-
mated Society" candidly owns, is the dispatch of a cir-
cular to the several engineering firms, " advising the
discontinuance of systematic overtime and piecework."
This " advice," or as the employers phrase it, these
"demands" the firms in question have refused to accept,
and they make " the unconditional withdrawal" of this
circular the sole and absolute condition of keeping their
works open as before. Now, in estimating the resolu-
tion thus taken, we have to consider, first, the character
of the demands themselves; secondly, the circumstances
under which they arc made; and lastly, the general pur-
pose to which they tend. On all these points we say the
masters can be shown to have the better cause. We need
not repeat what we have already stated on the subject
of overtime; it is not in reality a demand made on
behalf of the workman, but a demand made in behalf
of the man out of work, and no sensible person can
possibly maintain that an employer ought to be coerced
into distributing between two men or more an amount of
work which one man is able and willing to perform. It
may seem capricious, and it may perhaps be unwise, to
induce a single man to spend twelve hours on a job
which would provide two men with six hours' work
apiece, but the question, at any rate, is not one for com-
pulsion, and it is manifestly inconsistent with the rights
both of master and men that terms should be dictated
under penalty of stoppage, by a " council" sitting in
London. As to piecework, if any argument is required
to show: the unreasonableness of proscribing such a
practice, we need only refer to the letter of Messrs.
Walker, which we publish to-day. In point of fact, even
the " Executive Council" could only defend themselves
on this point by alleging that the contracts in question
were not voluntary. Bat, virtually, they must have
been so. Au employer says to a workman, " You must
do this job for a certain sum." This, perhaps, seems an
arbitrary proceeding, but it ,is perfectly clear that the
price thus fixed must be at least equal to the current
value of the labour required, for, if it were not so, then,
in case of refusal, no other man could be found to take
the work, and it would remain undone. The only com-
pulsion exercised against the workman first applied to is
that of fair:competition. John Brown takes a job of
piecework on his master's terms, because, if he does not,
John Green will do so instead. If there is no John
Green forthcoming, then John Brown may have his own
way, but if there is, then it follows from the very
fact that the price was not set too low. We
have put this case on its own simple merits, but, in
reality, as Messrs. Walker observe, earnings by piece-
work are invariably higher than earnings by deywork,
and the demand of " the Council" is practically aimed at
the " organization of labour" alone. Tne points, there-
fore, of overtime and piecework, evenconsidered on their
own grounds, are manifestly untenable.
Considered in their evident purpose, and under the
circumstances of the dispute, they are less admissible
still. The Amalgamated Society is not upholding the
title of workmen to fair hours of recreation and leisure; it
is maintaining the title of men without employment to
be found in occupation at the expense of those em-
ployed. This is proved beyond question by the published
rules, documents, and transactions of the society.
The language, moreover, of the council is deceitful and
evasive. They profess merely to " advise;" but advice,
as was proved in the cases of Messrs. Hibbert and Plea
and Messrs. Parr and Curtis, means dictation under
penalties. The society in May last tendered their
" advice" to the former of these firms, and in July to
the latter, and both were coerced into yielding. As to
the assertion made by Mr. W. Newton that this dis-
pute was a " private one," with which the society had
no kind of concern, we have set that point at rest
for ever. We possess a letter not only signed but
written from beginning to end by Mr. W. Allan,
the very person who at this moment is sub-
scribing as secretary the notices of the " Executive
Council." This letter is dated from the " Gene-
ral Office of the Amalgamated Society," and
it states in the plainest language that the council
of the society met to deliberate on the dispute between
Messrs. Hibbert and their men; that, after due discus-
sion they decided what course the men should adopt;
that, in order that their views should bo carried out,
they dispatched a deputation to Oldham, and that one
member of this deputation was Mr. Newton himself.
Seeing, therefore, that the Executive Council is clearly
identified with the proceedings at Oldham, how could it
possibly be doubted that the same body, in urging upon
others the same demands, would resort to the same co-
ercion? Were not the manufacturers entirely justified
iu concluding that they must either singly share the fate
of Messrs. Hibbert and Platt, or combine in a body for
self-defence? And are they not justified now in requir-
ing, before they forego their protective measures, the
withdrawal of " advice" which means nothing less than
the coercion of their firms, at the first convenient oppor-
tunity, into terms which are plainly incompatible with
the freedom and prosperity of trade?
But there is more behind. The " Executive Council"
have now thought proper to announce that they have
never demanded, and do not intend demanding, " the
dismissal of persons at present working self-acting
machines." This is either falsehood or equivocation, or
perhaps both. The deputation of the council so deli-
berately, and with such set purpose, sent to Oldham in
May did demand of Messrs. Hibbert and Platt the re-
moval of all such persons from their works by Christ-
mas, at latest, when, said they, " the machines shall en-
tirely fall into the hands of mechanics." These con-
ditions we have read under their own hands and
signatures, and it was further stipulated that none
but "mechanics," that is to say, workmen
licensed by the council, should ever be engaged
in those works for the future. We assert, moreover,
that the published rules of the society, and the whole
tenour of its transactions, do unmistakeably prove the
intentions of the council in this most important respect,
and even the notice, it will be seen, above quoted, leaves
it open to the executive body to forbid; the introduction
of any fresh hands of this class. But can it be for a mo-
ment tolerated in this country and these times that a set
of men should band themselves together and declare that
none should follow their trade except on their terms
and in such numbers as they thought fit; that none,
however competent, should be employed in their calling
without their license, and that, even if machinery
were invented to perform their work, it should be
superintended exclusively by men of their own class at
full wages, although such superintendence could be
effectively exercised by less skilled men or boys? This
is literally and without the smallest exaggeration what
the Amalgamated Society declare, and in these attempts
they are so deluded as to bespeak the sympathy of the
public at large!
We observe that the operatives are invited by the
council to become co-operatives' in establishing a
business of their own—that is to say, in becoming
their own masters, in every sense of the word. Now,
we do earnestly request these intelligent men to
reflect on the simple truths which we here
briefly state for their consideration. About 10,000
or 12,000 hands will be out of work, and it is of
course clear that to be found in work they will require
the same amount of capital as was needed to provide
them with work before—that is to say, a capital
equalling the aggregate invested in the thirty-six firms
clueing their establishments. At the rate of 10,000/.
capital for every ;100 hands this would require abut
1,000,0001. or 1,200,0001. to be forthcoming. It could
only be forthcoming on the terms by which all capital is
attracted—viz., good and sa'o returns. But how can
such returns be promised from an establishment in
which there will be no parties representing the interests
of capital, but all representing the interests of la-
bour? Under the present system, capital is represented
by the terms of the masters, and labour by the terms of
the men, these conflicting requirements being so ad-
justed as to find wages for one party and profit for the
other—wages to pay labour, and profit to pay capital.
This system, as our City correspondence the other
day disclosed, is not always successful, even with
all the natural care of the masters in protecting
capital at the expense of labour, and what, then,
is likely to result where capital will bo absolutely
unprotected and labour allowed its own terms—
where_
it will be a necessary and essential condition of
the establishment that a minimum of work shall be _
per-
formed for a maximum of wage? The workmen talk o
appointing directors or managers, but either these
managers e
f
managers will act like genuine masters, and eo
men exactly where they were before, or they will acth
like the "Executive Council," and then what becomes
of the interests tbey were presumed to represent? Once
more, while there is yet time, we earnestly reco..
wiamenth-
the operatives to consult their true friends, and
draw demands which can never be conceded without
ultimate ruin to all parties together.

AUDACIOUS ROBBERY AT LORD DUDLEY COUTTS
SwAnT's.—lnformation was yesterday transmitted to the
various metropolitan police stations of a robbery having been
committed on the previous evening at the mansion of the
Right Hon. Lord Dudley Coutts Stuart, M.P., in Stratford-
place. It appears that between six and seven o'clock of the
evening iu question an elderly foreigner of a military appear-
ance, wearing a profusion of hair about his face, and his coat
closely buttoned up to his chin, knocked at his Lordship's
residence, and handed to the servant a letter, sayintr
refugee., and
that he
came from the secretary's office of the Polish refu-
requesting that the letter might be handed to Lorg
reply.
and adding that he would wait for his Lordship's Stuart,
had of the
The servant proceeded so directed, leaving the bearer
vanished,
letter in the hall, but on his return the lell-
taking with him two great coats, a silk
With these articlesmaker's name,
hats (one a black one, having inside
the umbrella, and two
that the fellow got
' Chaplain and Moore").
clear off, and it has since been ascertained
letter which was presented. Similar robbeties ittowtahsea aboveshani
been very prevalent, being. effected in most
have recently
instances through the presentation of a
on
sham letter.
THE LIVERPOOL COUNTY CO
has caused a notice to be served the treasurer of the
—Mr. Ramsbay
County Court, prohibiting him, at his peril, from paying to
the new Judge his quarter's salary, which is now due, and
another notice on Mr. Pollock himself, prohibiting him from
receiving it. He has also served notice on the Earl of Car-
lisle, that be intends, on
en earlyci ay in the ensuing term,
Queen's to apply to the Court ofßenchi for a quo warrant() to
restrain Mr. Pollock from acting
To be Let, on Lease (including iverpool Courier.
l_ucliug the use of the
fixture) the Monument en which Patience sits.--Punch.