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PARLIAMENTARY DIVISIONS•

(From the Votes and Proceedings of the House of COMM"S
THURSDAY, stAncit 18.
CUFFE-STREET SAVINGS BANK, DUBLIN.
Motion made, and Question put, " That this House will,
upon Tuesday next, resolve itself into a Conunittee, to con-
sider of au humble Address to be presented to her Majesty,
praying that her Majesty may be graciously pleased to take
the case of the sufferers in the late Cuffc-street Savings
Bank, Dublin, into her royal consideration, and to grant
them a compensation for their losses, and to assure her Ma-
jesty that this 'louse will make good the same." The House

MINORITY—AYES, 40.
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Bunbury, William Herbert, H. A.
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Bright, John Heard, J. I.
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Butler, P. S. Ilorsman, E.
, Lord J. Hume, Joseph Shafto, R. D.
Cobden,tCo Richard Hutchins, E. J. Somers, J. P.
Cogan, W. 11. Johnstone, James Teninenson, Elt. J.
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Crawford, Robt. W. Keating, Robert Tent,
Foescue, Chichester M'Cullagh, W. T. Thompson, Colonel
rreret stun, Colonel Meagher, ThonaaS Walmsley, Sir J.
French, F.
Gore, a Mahon, O'Gorman W illoughby, Sir H.
G > nydhara Monsen, William
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Grace, 0. D. - Morris, David TELLERS.
Grogan, E. Napier Joseph Reynolds, John
Hamilton, J. 11. O'Connell, Maurice Scully, Francis
O'Connell, M. J.

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MAJORITY—NOES, 169.
Adderley, C. E.
Alcock, Thomas. F..,,0x, S. W. L. Mines, R. M.
Bailey, Joseph . ox, w. 3-.
Halal°, H. J. Moncreiff, James
Baird James Morgan, 0.
Mundy, William
Bankes, G.
Bell, Jacob Neeld, John
Bennet, Philip Goddard, A. L. Neeld, Joseph
Newdegate, C. N.
Headlock, Lord H. Gordon, Admiral
Beresford, William Goulburn, Henry Packe, C. W.
Pakington, Sir J.
Blandford, Marquis Granby, Marquis of Palmer, Robert
Greene, Thomas
Booker, T. W. Patten, J. W.
Grey,!Sir G. Peel, Colonel
Halford, Sir H. Pilkingten, James
Hall, Colonel Powlett, Lord W.
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Hallowell. E. G. Pugh, David
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Hamilton, G. A. Renton, John C.
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Buller, Sir J. Y.
Harris, Captain Rushout, Captain
Carter, J. B. Harris, Richard
Campbell, Sir A. Russell, Lord John
rr tie Alexander Scobell, Captain
Chandos, Marquis Has tie, John Seymer, Henry Ker
Christopher, R. A. Hatchell, ,
Sidney, R. A.
Clay, James Hayes, Sir E.
Sotheron, T.
Clay, Sir W. Headiam' T. E.
Stafford, Augastus
Clive, H. B. Heneage, G. H.
Stanley, Edward
Collins, Thomas Henley, J. W.
Stansileld, W. R.
Compton, H. C. Berries, ;LW. Staunton, Sir G.
Corry, Hnry Hildyard, R. C.
Cotton, W.'H.
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Cowan, Charles
Cowper, W . P.
Craig, Sir W. G. 1
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Charles
Stunt, IL G.
Davie, Sir H. Hobhouse, T.
Hodgson, W. N. Torment, Sir J.
Davies, D. A. Hope, Sir J.
T. B.
B.
Stuart,
trickland, Sir G,Admiral
H.
Thesiger, Sir F.
Deedes, W. Hudson, G. Trevor, G. R.
Disraeli, B. Jackson, William Trollope, Sir J.
Dod, J. W. Joiliffe, Sir W. G. Tyler, Sir G.
Drummond, Henry Jones, Captain Tyrell, Sir J.
Drummond, Home Kershaw, James Verney, Sir R,
Duckworth, Sir J. Knight, F. W. Vivian, J. E.
Duncan, George Lacy, H. C. - Vivian, J. H.
Duncombe, A. Langton, W H. Waddington, H. S.
Duncombe, 0. Lennox, Lord A. Walpole, S. H.
Duncombe, W. E. Lennox, Lord H. G. Watkins, Colonel
Duncuft, John Lockhart, A. E. Wawn, J. T.
Du Pre, C. G. Long, W. Welby, G. E.
East, Sir J. B. Lygon, General Westhead, J. B.
Edwards, Henry Mackie, John Whiteside, James
Egerton, Sir P. M'Gregor, John Williams, John
Estcourt, J. B. B. Manners, Lord G. Williams, W.
Ewart, William Manners, Lord I. Wodehouse, Edmund
Farrer,, James Masterman, John Wood, Sir Charles
Fellowes, E. Maunsell, T. P. Wynn, H. W.
Fergus, John Melgund, Viscount
Meux, Sir Henry TILLERS.
Miles, P. W. s. Mackenzie, W. F.
Sir R.
Miles, William Bateson, T.
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LONDON,

THE AUSTRALIAN COLONIES
AND TRANSPORTATION.
A large deputation of mercantile and other gentlemen
connected with the Amtr.tlian colonies had an interview
with the Right Hon. Sir J. Ptikingtou on Wedtierday, at
the Colonial office, on the subject of transportation.
There were present—Sir W. Molesworth, M P., Mr.
Ewart, M.P., Mr. Adderley, M.P., and Mr. Chisholm
Anstey, M.P.; i,nd the following gentlemen, represen-
ting the four colonies of New South Wales, Van DiP.
reen's Land, Victoria, end South Australia:—Messrs. R.
Brooks, C. McLachlan, E. Gore. W. Jackson, S. Ken-
nard, G. H. Donaldson, W. Fanning, A. Michie, W.
Walker, J. A. Jackson, T. S. Atkins, J. C. King, G.

Morphett—Bolton, and James Alexander.
Sir W. MOLESWORTH, after introducing the gentle-
men present, observed that they sought this interview in
consequencs of having heard that several ships containing
convicts were about to sail for Hobart Town, and they
would intreat Sir J. Pekington to stop the sailing of
these ♦essels, and not to transport any more convicts
to Van Diemen's Land in opposition to the wishes
of the inhabitants of that and the other Australian
colonies, and in violation of the promise of the
British Government that transportation to Van Die-
men's Land should be abolished. Sir William then
referred to the particulars of that promise, the dis-
content its non-faifilment had produced, and the numo-
rous petitions received during the last five years from
the bishop, archdeacons, clergy of all denominations, pa-
rents and guardians, women, and, in short, the vast ma-
jority of the inhabitants. All the other colonies sympa-
thised with Van Diemen's Laud; and they also knew
that, is c neequence of the overstocking of Van Diemen's
Land with convicts, transportation to that colony was, in
fact, transporation to all the colonies. A great Austra-
lasian League had been formed, and was supported by
leading men in all the colonies. Large meetings had
been held, not only in Van Diemen's Land, but in Syd-
ney, Paramatta, Melbourne, Geelong, and Adelaide, at
which resolutions complaining of the breach of faith of
the British Government were carried by acclamation.

From one of these meetings he (Sir William) had this

year presented a petition to the House of Commons,
signed by the Metropolitan Bishop of Sydney, the
Roman Catholic Archbishop of Sydney, and by 8,900
persons. He had another petition, as numerously
signed, still to present. On the 29th July last a large
public meeting had been held at Sydney, and an
address to her Majesty was agreed to, praying the
dismissal of the Secretary of State for the
Colonies in consequence of his continuing to
send convicts to Van Diemen's Land. Since then the Le-
gislature of New S,uth Wales had unanimously passed
a resolution against transportation to any of the Austra-
lian colonies. He was informed that all the members
elected to serve under the new constitution for Van Die-
men's Land were pledged to oppose transportation.
LAstly, the few respectable persons who were in favour
of the convict system had become anti-transportationists
in consequence of the gold discoveries, for they consi-
dered it madness to send convicts to an El Dorado, and

ene of the surest means of encouraging crime. He as-
sured Sir J. Pakington that the Australian colonies
were on the eve of becoming potent States; their intim
bitants were inclined to be thoroughly attached and de-
votedly loyal to the British Empire. They would long
entertain those feelings if wisely and prudently governed;
but the continuation of transportation would soon
destroy those feelings of attachment and loyalty.
Mr. E/YA.RT begged to remind Sir J. Pakington that
he (Mr. Ewart) had attended at the Colonial-office
with a highly respectable deputation of colonists, on
this very subject, as far back as the year 1846, when
they had the honour of urging on the then Secre-
tary of State a consideration of the fearful condition of
Van Dieraeu's Laud, in consequence of the excess of the
convict population there. That deputation he believed,
had induced the then Government to suspend for two
years further transportation to that colony—a measure
which was generally considered to be merely prelimi-
nary to the total discontinuance of the system. The
time, therefore, had now arrived when the subject
should be definitively settled to the satisfaction of the
cob nists—a result which he regretted to say had been
by far too long delayed.
Mr. ADDERLEY followed, urging on the Secretary of
State! the paramount importance of the Government
keeping faith with the colonists, and vindicating its
own credit by acting up to the promise which had been
made to them by Lord Grey that transportation should
be discontinued. That it would not be honest to neg
lect to do so. He referred to the great and ueiversal
excitement among the colonists upon the subject, and to
the extensive organisation by means of " the Australa-
sian Jfeeegne." He urged the policy of at once aban-
doning a course as unstatesmanlike as it would prove
abortive, and further perseverance in which would only
exasperate the Australian colonies, and eventually lead
to an organised resistance, similar to that which had
been successfully carried out by the colonists of the
Cape ; and he expressed his firm belief that if the Bri-
tish Government buffered one other such defeat as had
been sustained in the case of that colony, it would go
far to destroy our colonial empire. In his opinion it
was a consideration that transcended all others, and
compared with which all suggestions of possible embar-
rassment or inconvenience to Governments sank into ab-
solute insignificance—that this great country should up-
hold its character by honestly and faithfully keeping all
its engagements with every one of its dependencies.
Mr. ANSTEY had also participated in the movement
referred to by Mr. Ewart in 1846, and had hoped for a
successful result long before this. He had every motive
to induce him to co-operate on such an occasion, as he
had immediate family connexions in two of the colonies.
His brother had lately contested successfully the repre-
sentation of an important constituency in Van Diemen's
Land, and corroborated the statements of Sir W, Moles-
words. He had last year presented a petition to the
House of Commons of a very interesting character from
the native born colonists of the island, and it would here-
after be his duty to draw the attention of the House to
the important statements it contained. He forcibly
urged the claims of the colony on the immediate atten-
tion of her Majesty's Government; and observed, that
if the active agitation hitherto carried on against trans-
portation in Van Diemen's Land had of late abated, it
was because the recent gold discoveries in the adjacent
colony of Port Philip had led to the belief that it would
be wholly impossible to continue it any longer in face of
such an event.

Mr. MIcIUE begged to offer, as a New South Wales
colonist of nine years experience, commencing in 1841,
his unqualified corroboration of every statement which
had been urged by Sir W. Molesworth and Mr. Adder-
ley. Tne attendance that day of gentlemen from almost
every Australasian colony was induced by the all inipoT-
taut fact, that although the five ships that had been
mentioned by Sir W. Molesworth were nominally dee-
tined tor Van Diemen's Land exclusively, the convicts
carried out by those vessels would very soon be dispersed
throughout New South Wales, Port Philip, and South
Australia. It was matter of notoriety that for years past
Van Diemen's Land had been se saturated with the felon
population that a practice had for some time past pre-
vailed at Hobart Town (under the sanction of the Go-
vernment) of granting conditional pardons, permitting
prisoners, very soon after their arrival from England, to
proceed as free men to any of the neighbouring settle-
ments. The effect of this practice was merely to con-
vert Van Diemen'e Land into a conduit pipe through
which felons were poured by hundreds into the neigh-
bouring colonies, and the latter consequently suf-
fered all the evils, without any of the mitigations
which had accompanied the former direct transporta-
tion to New South Wales. It had not a little asto-
nished the colonists, generally, to find that Lord Grey
had actually relied on and put forward—they trusted
from misapprehension alone—one of these very evils of
his own system as evidence of the groundlessness of the
universal opposition to further transportation. His Lord-
ship bed cited the criminal statistics of the free colony
of South Australia as showing the offences against the
law to be there in almost, if not quite, as large propor-
tion as in Van Diemen's Land itself. The fact was. as
any official in the judicial establishment of South Aus-
tralia could inform his Lordship, at least three-fourths of
the convictions in that colony were of convicts who had
come over from Van Diemen's Land—and this was a
fact of colonial notoriety. The same observation would
equally apply to New South Wales and Port Philip.
Upon the whole, therefore, the latter colonists were so
all but unanimous in deprecating a recurrence to a state
of things such as obtained down to the year 1840—
when it was unsafe to travel alone two miles out of Syd-
ney—that the colonists of New South %Vales alone had
petitioned, to the number of 35,000, against a resump-
tion of transportation, and only 525 petitions were in
favour of it; these latter too—few as they were—includ-
ing all the dependents that some few flock masters,
chiefly anxious for labour of any kind, might be able to
muster. No acts of violence had as yet ensued, but it
was evident to every colonist that, among the vast and
mixed congregation of people making to the, gold fields
of New South Wales and Port Philip, a large admix-
ture of convicts must inevitably lead to scenes of bloody
Mr. J. A. JACKSON obser
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Diemen's Land. The Government than the
Tott members
for
most constitutional way, the opinion of the
transportation. Mr. Jackson proceeded toshow colonistsththat the
colonists had little alternative now between ruining
atohne
themselves or employing convicts; and, therefore, their
hnd
employment of convicts was not conclusive that—as
been alleged—they had begun to change their minds,
It transportation were at an end, their land fund would
be applicable to sending out free labour; they
receive back many of the free people who had been
di iven out • of the Island, and the native lads, as they
grew to man's estate, would be retained in the land of
their birth.
Mr. G. MORNIETT (brother of the first Speaker of the
Assembly in South Australia) would
represented that nearly
all the crime committed in South Australia was
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perpe-
trated by old convicts; and this colony, ii 4
founded as a free colony, and whose character"1
as a
free colony had been recognized in different Aims of Par-
liament, had become in effect a receptacle for a largo
am ,unt of crime. Although the coloniats had hitherto
borne this infliction, and their loyalty was unimpaired,
yet there was a limit to human endurance. The great
extent of crime committed in South Australia by men
who had been convicts had been much remarked upon
by the Learned Judges of the Supreme Court in that
colony.
Mr. KING observed that the Noble Lord lately at the
bead of the Colonist Department had, on a recent occa-
sion, when he had had the honour of an interview with
his Lordship, observed that the criminal returns of Van
em Land would bear a not very unfavourable
comparison with even those of the originally free colony
of South Australia. Mr. King adduced some very re-
markable statistics on Olio [subject, 'showing how en-