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ances occurred he suppressed, and he left the colony in a far
better state than he found it.—(Hear.)
Mr. HUME said if the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. F. Peel)
could defend Lord Grey's policy, he was the only Member
who could do so.—( Lughter and hear.) He had never
heard any one, in or out of the House (except the Hon.
Gentleman), who attempted to defend Lord Grey and his
dispatch to Sir Harry Smith. He advised Government to
let the colony govern itself, and not to allow Downing-street
to interfere in their local affairs. Never was a man more
ill-treated than Lord Torrington, who rather deserved ap-
proval than censure. Unfortunately, however, he failed to
preserve harmony among the members of his Government,
and so was recalled. But when the Hon. Member said Lord
Grey favoured one man because he was a connexion of a
Cabinet Minister, and did wrong to another who had no such
advantage, the Hon. Member did a gross injustice to Lord
Grey.
Air. HINDLEY was surprised that the Hon Member
for Leominster (Sir F. Peel) had not vindicated the sanction
of Lord Grey to the vast accession of territory which had
taken place. He believed that our real policy was that of
Lord Glenelg, and that we ought not to have passed beyond
the Fish River.

The vote was agreed to, and the House resumed.
EXCHEQUER BILES.

The Exchequer Bills Bill passed a second reading.
The Inv,ntions Protection Bill was read a third time.
CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL.

The House then went into Committee on this Bill.
On the 6th clause,
Mr. WALPOLE moved an amendment, in order to pre-
clude the extension of the inquiry into practices at elections
which had taken place some time before the last election.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he thought it would be material
to empower the Commissioners to institute inquiries into
elections that had occurred 20 years ago.
Mr. ANSTEY strongly opposed the amendment, saving
that the Bill was of little use now, and if the amendment was
introduced, the Bill would become a mockery and a sham.
Sir F. THESIGER said, some limit sorely should be im-
oosek.upon the Commissioners-(Hear, hear)—but to fix a
term of years alone would be difficult. He suggested, there-
fore, a period often years, or three elections.
Mr. BOUVERIE said, the Bill as it had stood followed the
precedent of the St. Alban's Bill.
Mr. REPTON said that Bill gave very large powers, and
inquiries had taken place into elections in 1846 and 1841.
Mr. HUDSON said, since his friends had come into offiee
he had received from his constituents numerous applications
for the patronage of the Government. Now until the party
opposite satisfied the country that this system of dispensing
patronage would be abolished, no Bill of this kind could be
thought honest.—(Hear, hear.) Corruption at head-quarters
was greater than that which ever prevailed among the poor
electors.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir A. COCKBURN hoped the amendment would not be
agreed to, as it would make the Bill inefficient. Judging by
the last election (Newport), where scenes of tumult and
debauchery had taken place which ought to make us
ashamed, there was greater necessity than ever for such a
measure.

Mr. BELL (stralairEiVitbf " nh- nh") said the stringiney
of these laws prevented their operation, and that theVom-
missioners ought not to have the power of making fish of one
person and flesh of another.—(Laughter.)
The Committee then divided, when there appeared— _
For the amendment ... 99
Against it
Majority ... —l7

The amendment was therefore lost.
Mr. MULLINGS then moved, after "election," to add,
" and whether or not all or any of such corrupt practices
were committed or done by the fraud or contrivance, or at
the instance of annand what person or persons in particular,
and for what object, or under what circumstances."
Sir A. COCKBURN argued that the addition proposed
was superfluous. A similar case had not happened twice
within the last twenty years. The Commissioners had not
to determine the disfranchisement of any borough ; that was
to be determined by Parliament.
Mr. WALPOLE had no doubt the Commissioners would
make a proper report to the House.
Mr. MULLINGS would not press his amendment.
Mr. J. STUART said no one doubted that the dockyard
boroughs were the most corrupt in the kingdom. The Bill
whypocrisy
was founded on the most hypocritical pretences.
sai d when thea
m
Hoens.t
unjust Gentleman
charge
e 1A .
him COCKBURN h
it he made and
unfounded charge.
Mr. ANSTEY, was also of opinion that it was hypocritical
to attack the recipient of the bribe and not the briber.
The amendment was then withdrawn.
Mr. ADDERLEY moved a proviso, having for its object the
"legalisation of necessary refreshments at elections." At
present, it was impossible to give any refreshments without
coming within the definition of treating, and this he re.
garded as an anomaly. It had already been proposed to
issue a certain number of refreshment tickets by the sheriff,
the general expense to be borne by the candidates ; but he
was anxious to have the principle of reasonable refreshment
ratified in the present B ill.
Lord J. RUSSELL did not think this proviso could fairly
be introduced into the present Bill, bat it would be compe-
tent to affirm the principle in a separate measure.
Mr. ADDERLEY reminded the Noble Lord that treating
was mentioned in the Bill before the House.
Sir A. COCKBURN said the Bill did not attempt to define
treating.
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL did not think this proviso could
fairly be dealt with in the present BilL
Mr. ADDER LEY asked when any measure on the subject
was likely to be introduced?
Lord J. RUSSELL said that the Hon. Member on whom
he relied for the Bill was the Hon. Member for Essex ; but
it would be competent for the Hon. Member (Mr. Adderley)

to bring in the Bill himself.
Mr. J. S. WORMEY said the present measure applied
principally to boroughs, and it was in counties that the prac-
tice complained of principally prevailed.
After a few words from Mr. C. FORESTER,
Mr. ADDERLEY promised himself to introduce a Bill on
the subject.
After some conversation, clauses up to 9 were agreed to.
On clause 10 being proposed,
Mr. HUDSON wished to ask the Noble Lord lately at the
head of the Government to state candidly whether he had
not dispensed his patronage, for the many years he was in
office, on political grounds, ',tiler than in reference to public
advantage P—(Laughter.) Unless there was some clause
introduced into this Bill requiring the Government to dis-
pense their patronage without favour and affection, it could
not confer any benefit on the country.
The remaining clauses of the Bill were then agreed to, the
House resumed, and
The CHAIRM AN reported the Bill with amendments.
The Law of Wills' Amendment Bill was read a second
time. _ _

Tha Sheep, &c., Contagious Disorders' Prevention Bill
passed through Committee.
The Boroughs (Scotland) Bill passed through Committee.
The following Bills were read a second time :—The Com-
mons Enclosure Acts Extension Bill, the Linen, &c., Manu-
factures (Ireland) Billt the Differential Dues Bill, the Eccle-
siastical Courts (Criminal Jurisdiction) Bill, and the Poor
Relief Act Continuance Bill.
The Proclamation of Parliament Bill was brought down
from the House of Lords, and read a first time.
The House adjourned at Half-past One o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, April 5.
Lord REDESDALE took his seat on the Woolsack, in
:he absence of the Lord Chancellor. at Five o'clock.

EXPULSION OF SCOTCH MINISTERS FROM
HUNGARY.

The Marquis of BRE A.DALBANE presented a peti-
tion from the Free Church, Presbytery of Glasgow,
complaining of the recent expulsion of the Free Church
ministers from Hungary.
ADJOURNMENT OF THE HOUSE.

The Earl of DERBY gave notice that he should to-
morrow move the adjournment of the House until Mon-
day, the 19th inst.
COLONIAL BISHOPS.

The Archbishop of CANTERBURY introduced a
Bill for enabling colonial and other bishops to perform
certain functions under the commission of Bishops of
England and Ireland. ,
WAR WITH AVA.
The Earl of ELLENBOROUGH spoke to the following
effect : -My Lords, I trust that I may now speak without
any incorrectness of expression of the war with Ava. As„
yet there has been no declaration of war on our part, and
it is not customary for princes in the East to issue
at anysuch
such
declaration, and therefore it cannot be expected t
a monarch as the King of Ave will make
such a matter. We are, however, at war havewitheU clung to
ychange in
Ara. The
Government of India appears, however, tolace, and yet it
the last to a hope that war would not take
has made requioitions on Ave which it
having under-
it lust have foreseen
would ultimate terminate in war, without a war would
taken any of those preparations which 5U
of necessity require. In thatthceohuentry, and also in this, it
pe that we may have as
appears that we may cling to
please. That, however, is
we -0 be played by two parties,
much or as little of war as
ivnwa
et
the
ep 1
ea thisse.
not the case. War is a g
and we cannot deal with-era °title King f A •
gtrmea dummys play,
war as if he were atliitoege
ailing our provinces of Tennas-
in order to conduct
If he should decide on ass of Chittagong,Assam, ,he
Arracan, serim, or of ,
nortuent in Indiaoorveorfy
will subject our 6-
.._.a (iet he will have em-
barrassment indeed; for . .
.. the advantage of Ret-
ied an interior line of o •
ing on what is ca) operations. Allow
state to you, as
me, my Lords', to d with our last
shortly as I can, the cir-
cumstances connected . ur last war in Ava, for it is ne-
w" magnitude of the •
ne-
cessary to see the magnitude
ed, my L crisis as it now stands.
There were emP Y. Lords, in the last war with Ava,
of not less than 40,000 m
a force
French lately en—a force as large as that
which the
Bonapnite too w him for the conquest of Egypt ; 30,000
native troops and nearly 7,000 Europeon bayonets formed that
force.
Of the European
s troops, two regiments, the 13th
and the 3 th
, left Calcutta in April, 182
and in January, 1826, they 4, 1,800 strong,
had not 500 men
left fit for service •
m the field • and I believe
that the mortality in the other European'
not inferior. I doubt much regiments Was
at the end of that
war 10,000 men out of the whole 40,000 were fit for duty in
the field... The whole army in Arracan was utterly wasted
away, and was unable to • give any co-operation to the other
forces. On the 11th of May it landed at Rangoon, and was
not able to followi move from that place till the 11th of the February
following. It was detained there for 11 moaths, having'
been surrounded by a large Burmese not army, and being
able to move forward. During that time the European
troops lived entirely on salt provisions. No fresh provisions
were to be had in the country, and when bullocks were sent
them, every bullock sent from India cost in freight 101.
Notwithstanding the great amount of the force sent to Ave,
I believe that the General, in advancing on the capital of
that country, had never more than 5,500 men under arms,
and I know that on the 24th of February, 1826, ho had
with him only 4,000. men. To that small force had our
grand army dwindled away. We have undoubtedly now
some advantages which we did not then possess, but the
climate of the country continues the same, as also the
same impracticability of moving in it for nine months
of the year. We have also undoubtedly now great ad-
vantages in the rapidity of steam navigation ; but we must
not overestimate them. We can convey troops and
munitions of war to that country more rapidly than we
could then ; but I doubt whether we can convey them at
less expense. Title is most valuable in military operations,
but I doubt whether, in point of cheapness, the moving of
troops is less expensive than before. Moreover, our large
steam-vessels draw too much water to move much further
down the river than Rangoon. Smaller steam-vessels, how-
ever, by towing gunboats, will much facilitate the opera-
tions
m h
of the army. But, at the same time,
it
must
remembered that at the
moment the army leaves t lie
of the river—and nobody knows this better than. I
cannot
Noble Duke ( Wellington) at the table
--leech
move without animals, and animals under for,
though •
to ad ' '
cir-
cumstances must be a great expense
en, tey cannot
though these smaller steamers may conveY men, cannot
convey animals. There is also anetheiriota
formerly. The
we shall have now, but which we had
al to the troops under
climate of Arracan, then so fatal
in consequence of the
General Morrison, is now improvteare
b is always a great dif-
land having been cleared. But.,A mend, gta they now
ferauce in the health of WV well