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A French. View of the Debate,

The Journal des Debuts contains the following
article on the first two nights of the debate :—"The
good joke of Charles XII. at the Close of one of the
rash adventures of his life is well known. He had
rashly visited, alone and without attention, his
enemy, the Elector of Saxony, in the city of Dres-
den ; and the day after he had thus put his head
into the mouth of the lion, which neglected to close
his jaws upon him, ho learned that the Elector was
assembling his council to discuss with great so.
lemnity tbe unprecedented act of the King of
Sweden. ' You see,' said Charles to one of his in-
timate friends, 'they deliberate to.day on what
they ought to have dons yesterday.' That pre-
cisely is the useful labour to which the English
Parliament is devoting itself. Opened by a motion
and a speech from Mr. Disraeli, to which Mr.
Gladstone replied, the discussion has been
continued by a speech from Mr. Cobden, of
which, at the time we write, we have only a
telegraphic summary, and it will by no means
terminate there. The more it is prolonged the
more noes the English public persuide itself (and we
share ourselves in this respect the general impression
in London) that a debate conducted in this fashion
will hardly shake the Cabinet of Lord Palmerston.
What Mr, Disraeli and his friends turn into a crime
in Lord Palmerston are events, rather than acts of
his own ; the very things which they more especially
select to condemn his policy are the only things
whose happening or not happening absolutely did
not depend on him. Mr. Disraeli states with trium-
phant mir that the Cabinet of the Tuileries refused
to act with England. He then points out how Earl
Russell addressed to the German Powers extremely
violent despatches, and that that had not at all
frightened the Germans. Such, with all exactness,
is the substance of his speech. Theta is nothing
more indisputable than those two propositions of Mr.
Disraeli, The misfortune for him is that Lord Pal-
merston disputes them less than any person. He has
put himself in an attitude to admit their exactitude
with the most admirable serenity. Lord Palmer-
ston, no more than Mr. Disraeli, disposes of the
Cabinet of the Tuileries, and Mr. Disraeli, no more
than Lord Palmerston, could possess himself of the
ev:2cret of setting in motion any Power whatever allied
with England unless by accepting certain conditions
rigorously determined beforehand. The practical
point in the matter of offensive and defensive matters
is to know well what price the one contracting party
wishes to give, and what price the other exacts.
That, however, is the only point with which Mr.
Disraeli has not concerned himself in discussing
the philosophic question of the maintenance, the
rupture, and the re-establishment of the Anglo-
French entente. It is very evident also that the
threats of Lord Palmerston have not terrified Ger-

many. Upon that point Lord Palmerston has been
amply instructed. Yes, he has threatened the Ger..
mans with the utmost violence, and the Germans
have not been afraid. Only was it in his power to
cause terror with words ? And was he not
boun3, notwithstanding, according to all the usages
of policy, to try at first the might of words in order
to cause fear ? He has tried then what would be
the effect of terrible words; Mr. Disraeli wouldhave
tried it like him. He has experienced, and, it is
admitted, very deeply, that in the actual condition
of the Germanic temperament circulars destined to
produce a shivering fit are wasted like a dull re.
active on the hard and crabbed subject whom it is
wished to treat by this process ; Mr. Disraeli would

have had the same experience. The question whiel

now presants itself is no more than that of seeking
what must be added to the thunder of those crush-
ing words when that thunder has died away power.
less in the echoes which it caused. "It is not
necessary to add anything to them at all, " ingeni-
ously exclaims Mr. Disraeli. Indeed, then, Mr.
Disraeli ought to be content, for Lord Palmerston
does not lend himself to add anything important to
the circulars of his colleague, Earl Ru2sell. If the
debate does not take another turn in the sitting of
the House of Commons next Thursday, what a fine
result the adversaries of Lord Palmerston will have
achieved ! They will have displayed their eloquence
in denaonstrating that the English Cabinet could
only do what it has done, and certainly before they
took the trouble there were many people to whom
that proposition did not appear evident.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE.

NEWMARKET JULY MEETING, JULY 7.

The sole excitement of to-day's racing centred in the
Chesterfield Stakes and the second meeting of the Duke
and Licldington. The other events were entirely destitute
of interest, save and except that they furnishPd materials
for speculation to the industrious fraternity t f layers and
backers.

On this occasion Fordham rode the Duke, but not, as his
supporters fondly hoped, to victory.

Nine came to the post for it, among them Cordelia,
Zephyr, Lisette, and Biondina, good-looking fillies, the two
tot mar winners. The betting at startirg wassto 4 on the
Marquis of Hastings's horse, who displayed some frac-
tiousness at the post, and did not seem to run kindly. Lid-
dington, on the contrary, was on terms with his horses
from the moment the flag fell, and soon. made the pace too
hot for them. He then came up the hill in magnificent
style, beating the favourite by three lengths. It was an asto-
nishing performance, and he proved himself possessed of
great speed as well as staying powers. On Tuesday he ran
so unkindly that had the Duke been properly called upon
there is no doubt he could have won. To-day Mr Merry's
horse was in different form, and cut down his field in a
manner rarely seen. The other events, as we have said,
call for no special comment beyond what the return gives.
We may mention, however, the clever riding of young
Phillips in the last race of the day, The patient manner in
which he waited to bring out his horse at the proper
moment is deserving of all praise.
Match—New T.Y.C., 100, h ft.
Lord Westmoreland's Usher, 3 yrs, Bst, received forfeit
from Mr Trench's Nebula, 4 yrs, Bst 101 b.
Sweepstakes of 10 sous each, for '; yr-olds and upwards.
Weight for age. The winner to be sold for 200 sovs ; if
for 100 allowed 71b, New T. V.C. 5 subs.

Mr H. Morris's (Euone, 2 yrs, (4200), 6st 91b
(J. Grimshaw) 1
Mr J. Stephenson's Wild Thyme, 3 yrs (L 200), Bst 9113
(Fordham) 2
Mr Perry's Goldylocks, 3 yrs (L 200), Bst 91b.... (Boyce) 3
Mr Savile's General Longstreet, 3 yrs (L 100), Bst 511)
(Goater) 4
Lord Westmoreland's Verbena, 3 yrs (S 100), Bst 21b
(Morris) 6
Betting-6 to 4 agst CEnone, 7to 4 agst Goldylocks, and
5 to 1 agst Wild Thyme.
After one failure Goldylocks got away in front and made
the running, followed on her left by CEnone and Wild
Thyme, General Longetreet, and Verbena in the order
given. They retained these positions into the bottom'
when the former was beaten, leaving the young one with a
slight lead, which he retained to the end, and won after
a good race with Wild Thyme by half a length ; a bad
third. _ _

The winner was claimed by Mr Stephenson, and Wild
Thyme by Mr Savile.
Handicap sweepstakes of 10 soya each, for 3-yr-olds and
upwards.
Usher,Ne 3 y
w I.Yrs.,Ci 4 subs.
Lord Westmoreland'sst 121 b ..(Fordham) 1
Mr H. Bird's Regina, 3 yrs, 7st 21b Grimshaw) 2
Mr G. Bryan's Zora, 6 yrs, Bst 12Ib ..... (Cut.tance) 3
Betting-5 to 4 agst Usher, 6to 4 agst Regina, and 4to

1 agst Zora.
Usher, with a slight lead of Regina, made the running
into the bottom, where they closed and ran locked together
to the end, Usher winning after a punishing set-to by a
short head. Zora was a bad third.
The Chesterfield Stakes of 30 soya each, 20 ft, for 2-yr-olds ;
colts Bst 101 b, and fillies, Bst 71b. ; the winner of the
July Stakes or any other stake amounting to 500 soya to
carry 71b extra. Last half of B.M. 65 subs.
Mr Merry's Liddington, 9st 31b (including 71b extra)
(J. Adams) 1
Marquis of Hastings's The Duke, 9st 31b (in. 71b extra)
(Fordham) 2
Mr Alexander's Cordelia, Bst 71b ...... (Perry) 3
Mr J. V. Laurence's Lisette, Bst 71b ...... (T. Ftench) 4
The following also ran :—Rothomago, Funny, Biondina,
Zephyr, and Haarlem.

Betting-5 to 4on The Duke, 7to 4 agst Liddington,
10 to 1 agst any other.
In consequence of the fractiousness of the favourite and
Haarlem the start was delayed some time. When the flag
was lowered Cordelia, with Biondina, Zephyr, and Rotho-
mago on the left, were the first away, followed on the ex-
treme right by Liddington, Lisette, and The Duke, the lot
running widely spread across the course. Descending the
hill Biondina dropped back, and as they entered the bottom
Rothomago joined the beaten division. Liddington as they
reached the hill went to the front, and in a few strides after
he headed Mr Alexander's filly, who half way up was
passed by the favourite, who nude an effort to get up as
they reached the Stand, but failed, and was beaten in a
canter by three lengths; a similar distance divided the
second from the third ; two lengths separating the third and
fourth, Biondina was fifth, Zephyr sixth, and Rothomago
next. Haarlem and Fanny were the last two.

Handicap Plate of 50 sous, for 3-yr-olds and upwards.

New T.Y.U.

Mr H. Bird's Regina, 3 yrs, 6st 71b .... (J Grirnshaw) 1
Mr Price's Xuludo, 5 yrs, B,t 31b ..
Captain Machell's Toluta°, 5 yrs, 7st 31b (Woodhouse) 3

The following also ran:--Reindeer, Miss Armstrong,
Pupil, Lucky Star, Voluptas, Knave of Trumps, and Lady
Maud.

Betting-5 to 2 agst Lady Maud, 4to 1 agst Regina, and
to 1 each agst Voluptas and Lucky Star.

Voluptas was the first off, but after running a few strides
he was headed by Regina, who came on slightly in advance
Voluptas, and Tolurno into the bot-
tom, first named drew away, and finished a
olgefon oXsctuh whoreratsri l
xle a,
home,
Reindeer,ohumeu sot,: owßegina
ran
winning
out a t cleverly at last by a
the finish, defeating
Tolurno by four lengths for second ; Reindeer was fourth,
Vuluptas fitth, and Miss Armstrong nest. Lady Maud,
who got badly off, was last, a long way in their rear.
Plate of £5O for 2-yr•olds and upwards. Weight for age,
with selling allowances. New T.Y.C.
Mr J. Day's Hope, 2 yrs, (£4O) sst 71b (Phillips) 1
Captain Mashell's.Coronet, aged (110), Bst 41b
(Edwards) 2
Duke de Morny's Columbine, aged (£4O), sst 71b
(J. Grirastaaw) 3
Mr Naylor's Talley, 3 yrs (L4(1), 7st 121 b (Challoner) 4
and 6 to
.1 agat Columbine.
General Angerstem's Ninetta, 2 yrs (L4O), sst 71b
(F. Martin) 5
Mr Carr's Lightning, 2
yrs (MO), sst 71b
to 4 agat Tailor, 5 to 2 agst Coronet, 4 to 1
line to the brow of the hill, where
yoionpprgeae—ninto the. bottom, where the latter came out, and
aaTgnaßlditlehonlitert took anselairglhytinleaad, followed by Coronet, Columbine,
won rather easily at last by a length and a half; two
lengths separated the second and third. Tailor was a bad
fourth.
The winner Was claimed by Captain Michell.

424000 tttooo 1
agstoCoolly
1 agat The Duke (offered)
LATEST BETTING} ON THE COURSE. =1
THE DERBY.
1 agst Dilly Dally (taken)
7to 1 agat Liddington (taken freely)
1 agst Thalestris (taken)
BETTING AT MIDNIGHT.
1 agst Brown
5 towwnVootolptaiygsreeTuir—KENSV.izard's darn
vms struck out at 6,30 p.m. this day (Thursday:
Madcap
40 to

Charming (taken)
DERBY.
BETTING ON THE COMING DIVISION.
200 to 100 en the Ministers winning by 10.
40 to 1 apt King C_______
BETTING AT MANCHESTER—THURSDAY.
The
principalof
position of first favourite for
the Goodwood Stakes, 7 to 1 being accepted as long as it
could be obtained. Fieherniales Daughter was likewise in
request at 100 to 8. There was no betting on either the St.
Leger or Derby. o°ll3g Prices :_Thale featurestris to
advance in
the the betting here to-day was the
LIVERPOOL err.
7to 1 The Clown (taken)
Bto 1 Tippler (taken)
100 to 8 I-Iyrnet
(wanted)
aps
IYOoz, cur.
(
7to 1 Thslestris I,
.. a—en freely)
10 to 1 Blondin (taken)
100 to 8 Fisherman's Daughter (taken freely):
100 to 8 Bally Edmond (taken)
100 to 8 Myrtle (taken)
100 to 8 Highgyer's darn colt (offered)
otou
100 to 7 Madcap (offered)

FRIGHTFUL ACCIDENT Opt THE GREAT WES.-
TERN RAILWAY.--Oa Tuesday
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named Moss, a clerk
in the employ of Messrs. Holmes, the
i
railway carriers at Stroud, met with his death in a shock-
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Ain lgd e mannerrm as t on-
k, e
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removed to the hotel. No blame was attached to the rail-
way author:ities.
At the. Middlesex Sessions yesterday Charles
Morelli, a clown and pantomimist, was tried on a charge of
assaultin ,g William Oscarn Labern, who at the time lodged
in the a anlB house with him.
the jury found the prisoner
guilty. , but the offence not being deemed an aggravated one
the jr 4dge sentenced him to pay a small fine '-.nund him
. e) end 4,
Over
~ to keep the peace tor 12 months.

The Coventry Stakes at Worcester.

Lord Bateman presents his compliments to the
editor of The Sun, and will be much obliged if be
will publish the enclosed copies of a correspondence
which has taken place between the Hon. Admiral
Row, the Earl of Stamford and Warrington, and
himself.
M, Grosvenor-place, July, 1664.

Newmarket, July 4.

My Lord,—As your lordship thought proper, on the
Worcester racecourse, to denounce our verdict on the ob-
jection lodged against Jezabel (without hearing the evi-
dence) in the most violent language, which had the natural
effect of irritating an ignorant mob, with no other apparent
reason than that you had backed Jezabel to win £2,000—
we call upon you to write an apology. In default of which
we shall lay the case before the meeting of the Jockey Club
on Wednesday afternoon, when we invite your. attendance.
—We are, my lord, yours, &c.,
(Signed) H. J. Rous.
STAMPORD AND WARRINGTON.
The Lord Bateman, etc., Sec.

64, Grosvenor-place, July 5.

Sir,—l have this morning received a letter, signed by
yourself and the Earl of Stamford and Warrington, re-
specting the very strong exhibition of public feeling which
took place on Worcester racecourse, on Friday last, on the
announcement of your decision against Jezebel, in the Co-
ventry Stakes. In reply thereto, I have to state that, in
common with every other person present, I expressed my
opinion freely on the decision in question, but not, that I am
aware of, in any language which could be construed by you
as most violent, or calculated to irritate an ignorant mob.
The demonstration of the public was perfectly spontaneous,
and in no way encouraged, or even occasioned by any re-
mark of mine. They made their own comments loudly,
with •which I had nothing whatever to do; and whether
they cheered or hooted was no business of mine, nor in my
power to prevent. I have a right to call upon you
both, therefore, to substantiate the grave accusation
which you have jointly made against me in your letter;
and, under the circumstances, I do not feel called upon to
write you any apology unless and until you furnish me
with the exact language which you impute to me as being
most violent, and of a nature to irritate an ignorant mob—
in which case, or even if, in commenting on your decision,

I may have made use of any expressions calculated to
wound any one's private feelings, I shall, of course, on
their being stated to me, be most happy to withdraw them,
as I consider may other gentleman would be anxious to do.
As I cannot be at Newmarket to-morrow, I shall be unable
to attend the meeting of the Jockey Club to which you in-
vite me.—l have the honour to be, Sir, yours, &c.
(Signed) BATEMAN.

Hon. Admiral Rous.
P.S.—Duplicate of this letter is sent to Lord Stamford.

Newmarket, July 6.

My Lord,—We have received your letter in which you
state you expressed your opiaion freely on the decision
of the Jezebel case, being at that time in total ignorance
of the evidence given by Mr Johnson, the judge, and the
jockey who was third in the race. if your lordship or your
friends consider yourselves justified to condemn a verdict
without hearing the evidence, no gentleman can be found to
undertake the duties of a steward at country races.—We are,
my lord, yours, &c.
(Signed)

11. J. Rous,
STAMFORD AND W ARRINGTON.

The Lord Bateman.

54, Grosvenor-place, July 7.

Sir,—l again call upon you and the Earl of Stamford and
Warringten to substantiate the grave accusation which you
have thought proper jointly to make against me in your
former letter, and which seems to have escaped your notice
altogether; or, in default, I call upon you both to retract
that letter and the accusation it contains, and to write me
such an apology for the same as every gentleman has a
right to demand, and which no gentleman would refuse, I
beg to add, in reply to your letter of yesterday, that any
person from the Steward's Stand could see what took place
in the race as well as, if not better than, the judge from his
box, and that the nature of the evidence given was publicly
discussed before I expressed an opinion on the decision.

I feel compelled to publish this correspondence, of which
give you notice, and am, Sir, yours, &c.,
Ilion. Admiral Rous. (Signed) BATEMAN.
P.S.—Duplicate of this letter is sent to Lord Stamford.