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reply maqe by the late and tie present Grkere 'Tient had
been, hat eheteer the islaleis we:e held to belong to
Pere or net, it was cr,rtain they did not to-loeg to Eng-
land; the British Government had no claim upon teem,
and it was deemed unadviseble to send any ship of war
there. It was stated, on the one hand, that these islands
were not mentioned in the written constitution of Peru;
that the islands were at a distance from the coast; that
they ivere wholly unoccupied and destitute of fresh
water, with no buildings erected upon them; that no set
of sovereignty lied been exercised over them by Peru,
and that, according to the law of me;oes, the mere ere-
sence of wandering tribes was not sufficient to conscituto
a claim of right of property. On the other hand, the
claim of the Peruvian Government was, that the islands
were formerly held to belong to the Spanish province,
and that on the separation of Peru from Spain they
passed of themPelves to the Government of Peru without
any special mention; that one was distant about forty
miles, and the other only twelve miles from the coast;
that they were by no means newly discovered; and that
a distinct act of sovereignty had been exercised over
them by the Government of Peru in prohibiting the lo-
dian tribes from hunting upon them, lest the birds
should be disturbed. Resting upon this claim, the Go-
vernment
of Peru had declared that they would resist all
attempts upon these islands. Her Majesty's Govern-
meat had examined the case, and the Noble Lord the
Secretary of State (the Earl of Maheesbury) had stated,
in reply to a letter upon the subject, that the Govern'
ment were not prepared to send ships of war to these is-
lands, and that, however advantageous it might be to
Great Britain to appropriate the islands, or to declare'
them common property, we would not violate interne-
timid law. At the same time, the Government enter-
tained a sincere hope that (as wo understood) such sr' ,
rangements might be made as would effect the object de'
sired, and secure a supply of guano.
Sir F. BARING might be allowed to say, as the
transaction passed in some degree when he was in °fan
that within the last few days (as we understood) be h";
received a letter from the admiral in command, stati°
that he had sent, or was on the point of sending, a vessel
to protect the trade with these islands.
UNIVERSITY COMMISSION.
Mr. lIORSMAN gave notice that to-morrow he should
ask the Secretary of State when it was probable that thei.
University Commission would conclude their report; ":
also wished to know if the Chancellor of the Exchequer
e'
intended to bring on the Committee of Supply 0 /
first Government business to-morrow?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said!!
meant to take the Committee of Supply to-morrow (t";
day) as the first order of the day. The Right Ile' •
Gentleman also announced that after the report on the
Militia Bill had been received, he meant to give the IDe
Gentlemen (Mr. Slaney), who had kindly relinquished
his advantage on a former occasion, an opportunity 0f
bringing on his motion, and then he meant to revert to
the orders of the day.
MILITIA BILL.
On the motion for considering this Bill as amended,
Colonel SILITIIORP moved in lines 21 and 22 after
the words " appointments to the rank of major," to
leave
captaoiunt
otrheanwyordhi`g`hmearjorra,'n'
ka2n, d
litnsewrtasthaeckawiotrds
ted
by two Governments that the militia was nr,
cessary, and he wished to make the force whet
ought to be. The militia was formerly kept up in a 01,1;
stitutional and efficient manner, and he desired it show' •
be so for the future.
Mr. HTIME said no amendment would reconcile biae:
to the Bill, which he protested against in Gra reconcile
to "
impolitic and barbarous in these enlightened cleY,Ao;
establish a system of conscription among the Peeroo..
and he should not hesitate to avail himself of every b's
portunity to oppose a measure which involved sue
principle.
ota
Mr. W. WILLIAMS also observed that nothing to
reconcile him to the measure. He had been oplY-4`-our
it from the commencement; first, en the ground that
e to 7
military defences were sufficient; and, 2dly, that
oc.,
were not, the militia would not supply the defiejengld
The system of ballot, as provided for in this olausetw%to
greatly embarrass the Government when it was pet /we
operation, for nothing was so odious and objectioes,„
to the people of this country as conscription in a tin?"jea
profound puce. The public had been grossly 03,./il3OO
to believe that the military force available for the deLrie•col
of the country was only one-half of its real aurae-
extent.
rivee
Mr. WALPOLE said reasonable time would be .P see
by the Government for Hon. Members to considerda,
course they should take on the third retweelt,
' He would fix the third reading for MondaY,"got
In regard to the amendment of the Hon. end u 5,300
Colonel, he should make certain alterations in the c`
which he thought would meet his objections.
The amendment was then withdrawn.
Colonel GILPIN then proposed a proviso, ant
powering commanding officers of regiments to sPb)ipg
non-commissioned officers from the ranks of des'?

soldiers. •
The amendment was agreed to. re'
Mr. THORNELY then proposed the following P
vise at the end of clause 18:—" Provided alwaYeettitiseof
member of the Senate of the University of London'nfor
any examiner, or other officer thereof, nor any Yereitta-
lion connected with the said University,
visions of any charter thereof, nor any
sor, tutor, or lecturer of any cellege, school, °ft"- roe
such college, school, or institution, who shall rv- e its
triculated in the said university, h 11 be liable to
the militia under this Act. s a
Mr. GOULBOURN said the proviso went beyond
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privilege enjoyed by the Universities of A maim'
Cambridge, as it extended to all persons who had tad tee
enlisted. As regarded schools also, i-t went ternd
privileges accorded to the Universities of Cambridge a°
Oxford. Ole°
Mr. GLADSTONE suggested that it would pre.) so •
the cause it espoused, to press the proviso, it V/".;th•
student
t of
pat
ani.
loose and so vague. He suggested it should be with'
be
drawn, and some test of residence sought for, t°
brought forward onr. HEYWOODa future occasion. 'eet if
thought it would effect the obi
scholars engaged in education were comprised alaneo'o4
Mr. THORNELY, under these circumstances, W
withdraw his amendment.
In reply to Mr. HEY WOOD,
Mr. WALPOLE said ho was quite satisfied to Pitaebee,
the University of Durham on the same footqlgr geasand
briig t
other universities--namely, London, Cam
Oxford. be taken
Mr. BERNAL said St. Bee's ought
into consideration. 11 was re'
The amendment was withdrawn, and the B 1 esee
ported, and ordered to be read a third time on Moue e
week. • DILL'
VALUATION OF.PR,OPERTY (IRELAND)
On 'the second reading of this Bill, 6th'
Lore NAAS reminded the House that, under the
...r_
and 7th William IV., the valuation of 26 counties in Jal",
land had been made ; but, some years after the poor-ire
came into operation in Ireland, it was found necessary:t;
alter the mode of valuation. Another Act Ras sup•
sequently passed, which was .based on what Ivats ° et.
posed to be the letting value of lands and
also to
acised,
Under that system only five counties had been veltlof
and in three more it was plely flashed, in the 00Dr5:01
five years.—(Hear, hear.) It was impossible that ti.`leit
system could b.) continued, and bequeathed to tu
grandchildren. There was also the greatest difficulla
the mode of conducting appeals, which was exceisi/os
cumbersome and unsatisfactory to all parties. The gr.oa,
object should be to make one uniform mode of valuettme
abo w
ard
turithDtrhoagthevdieawbtrhoeugßhitgihnt
aHBon. Gentlemanililae tsessiotole.o34,,aoo
e present
at sen
6t,00 measure as
markets
et wool uaTt
s*
however, was found to be so cumbersome that it gairbi
be
be
sbe
par !i icy: aoef ti On
agriculturalw hatever. T
different—it proposed to proceed on an average 0, •
produceh
last three •
years, as taken from the different nevriPessPeeito
That was, in fact, the leading feature f the Bill. It
es
altered the mode of appeal,a,a° first to the ee;
missioner of valuation, and which
carte:.
afterwards to the q the
sessions. He had every reason to believe, that h
Bill were approved thewhole
ot lreland would b e tod
lued in four
or five sears, and the resent unsatiefaciened
system put an end to. In conclusion, the Noble At"
moved the second reading of the Bill B'll
Mr. ULEMENTS deprecated bringing such a -1, pas
ward on the eve of a general election, and when, ':„s
natural to expect that Irish Members would be ane`-.0%
Ireland. He hel
protested, therefore, against the Bill
.oor
continued at the present time. Tne first Bill W 551,3 fel
dined in 1826; fire others had since followed, as lae
the question was far from being settled, shevriveg
complex and difficult nature of the question. :els'
was also introduced in the last session, it was 00
mitted twice, and yet had to be abandoned. It :Astir*
a totally different principle from the present °, ;glee;
which showed that it required great conelae—routia
The whole of this valuation bad already cost in Los 0
numbers 260,000/., and surely they were not ge,
incur mere expenses, without having the subje°2natter,
fully considered. He knew something of the In that
in England as well as in Ireland, and believe„ was
in the majority d "in" the poor-law valueli°'neeier
not a good one for the purpose of taxation, but °rota'
to that of England in many instances. It we °. so 0
rious that those already made were thrown ser
state of great confusion by the appeals to quartearaieflt,
along, and he was therefore against the estehust-
sad
thatof each a tribunal. It was impossible to exPec-
such a measure should pass in the present session; r to
he put it to the Noble Lord if it were not hett6ba of
postpone it until next year. The delay could unit atioo
any consequence, for no alteration in the vat or
would affect the constituencies for the next Or- 0
four years. For hisr,nt
own part, even if' it Vi—,ool
Committee, • which he deprecated, be believed it " e
°for '
meet the late of • its predecessors. He should, the ~tbe•
move that it be read a second time that day three atel'od
frel
Mr. H. HERBERT d part of dared
re a
where
such a measure was so necessary, that he tenod,
his thanks to his Neble Friend for bringing it for" 00
even at that period of the session. He did not 5e duet
Hon. Members for Ireland could not imitate the eesileee
of Scotch Members, who in discussing measures Ls_itb
tin their country put themselves in communication _ woos
the Government upon the mere details, and wer,el ore
enabled to overcome all difficulties. Ho was qultweeoid
his Noble Friend, the Chief Secretary for Ireland,,Tio:
made to him, and he a' peed
listen to any suggestion 3
see, therefore, why the Bill could not be ern:Ole'
wish. He deniedthat the Poor-law valuation gate., it
neval satisfaction, for in his own part of the count'?
was quite the contrary. VOW
Sir R. FERGUSON denied that the poor•law aloe
lion gave the dissatisfaction alluded to by the„cal
M,mber for Kerry, for Mr. Joseph Kincaid, Iv2ha
connected with very extensive properties in Irtilaufa,bo
tinc:ly setted, in his Evidence before a Commitr, or
Horse of Lords, that it WAS, generally recakifit'ad of
proved a
of. He was oerred to the bringieg forwo or
such a Bill at thet period of the session, when I' d de-
Y
eortunity would be given to discuss it caretull a°
liberately. e
Mr. VESEY supported the second reeding of the 13
to
tuo
The present system of Tajion was inoperttive