The Sun.
London, England, 1852-06-05 00:00:00

Sir W. MOLESWORTH considered when the dis-
cussion was entered upon it was understood that the mi-
nority was to give way to the majority. He was anxious
the Bill should pass, and, therefore, he hoped the mino-
rity would give way to the majority. If the Govern-
ment should be in a minority on this question, he hoped
they would yield. Ho was prepared to carry out the
Bill without offering any factious opposition ; but if the
Right Hon. Baronet held out a threat to the effect that,
if the upper chamber was made nominative instead of
elective, he would throw out tho Bill, that, he con-
sidered, would be a departure from the previous under.
standing.
Sir J. PATiINGTON freely admitted the fairness(
which had characterised the proceedings of the Hon.
Baronet. He would, however, beg to remind him that
at, the commencement of the discussion he had an-
nounced to the House a number of Important alterations
ho made in the measure, principally in deference to the
wishes of other Hon. Members. But, having made this
concession, he did not feel justified in denying himself
the privilege of exercising a discretion on the part of
Government when an important principle was brought
into question.—(llear.)
Mr. WALTEIt said he entertained strong objections
to the clause, and he thought delay would be of little im-
pel tanco compared with the establishment of a constitu-
tion for Now Zealand on sound principles.
The Committee divided, when there appeared—
For the clause ... ... 132
Against it ... 89
Mejority
The clause was then agreed Co, and so were the clauses
up to 67 inclusive.
On cla.uso 68, relating to the powers of the assembly
to make alterations in the constitution,

Sir E. BUXTON said that nothing could be more
dangerous than to give a power to the colonisti to esta-
blish any internal superiority of themselves over the
native population. He hoped some words would
.be in-
troduced to limit the power of tho General Assembly in
such a case.

Sir J. FAKING TON did not think that the Legisla-
ture would desire, or that the Governor would allow, of
any such superiority; but to prevent misconception, he
should consider the point before the bringing up of
the report.
The clause was agreed to.
On chime 71, which provided that the Queen and Go-
vernor might cause the aborigines laws to be maintained,
Mr. ANSTEY thought that the amendment of which
he,had given notice was preferable to the clause as it
stood.

Sir W. MOLESWORTH wished to direct the at-
tention of the Stcretary of State to the immense power
which the clause would confer. on- the. Governor of New
Zealand. Under this clause the Governor might se-
lect any district in New Zealand- and convert it into a
"native district, by establishing native laws and customs
therein.
Atter a few words from Mr.. Walpole, Sir W. Moles-
worth, and Mr. Aglionby,
The clause was ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 72, which gives a power to the General As-
sembly to regulate the sales of waste lands having been
proposed,
Mr. F. PEEL said he believed that the clause was
wholly unnecessary, and would give, no poWera which
were not already conferred. He would therefore suggest
that it should be omitted from the Bill.
Sir J. PAKINGTON said that the only complaint of
the Hon. Gentleman against the clause was that it was
mere surplusage; but he (Sir J. Pakington) would
rather that that complaint should be made than that any
doubt should exist as to the object and effect of the
measure.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY said he wished to know what
security there would exist after the passing of that mea-
sure for the payment of the loans made out of the Im-
perial Exchequer to the New Zealand Company?
Sir J. PAKINGTON stated that those loans bad been
cancelled, upon an understanding between the Govern-
ment and the New Zealand Company. Ho should add,
that be earnestly hoped that the old quarrels between
the company and the Government' would not again be
revived.
Mr, AGLIONBY said that the loans had been can-
eelled under an arrangement entered into in the year
1847, by which the company gave up their claims to a
vast tract of land in the colony. He entirely agreed
with the Right Honourable Gentleman the Se-
cretary for the Calonies, that it was most desirable that
the old differences between the Government and the
New Zeeland Company should no longer be remem-
bered or discussed.
After some further conversation the clause was
agreed to.
Clause 73 was also adopted.

On clause 74 being proposed,
Sir W. MOLES WORTH rose, and contended that it
ought to be struck out of the Bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
had no objection to the postponement of the clause.
Mr. AGLIONBY observed that the two succeeding
clauses ought also to be postponed, inasmuch as amend-
ments had been prepared and sent to the Colonial-office,
with a letter setting forth the grounds on which the
New ZSelancl Company founded its claims, and which
amendments the Secretary of State for the Colonies had
certainly not had time to consider.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no
wish to press the Committee to proceed further at that
momint, and would suggest that the Chairman should
report progress, and ask leave to sit again on Thursday
next, afier Supply.
The House then resumed, and
The. CHAIRMAN reported progress and obtained
leave to sit again on Thursday.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
would be for the convenience of Hon. Members if he
stated that he proposed to take Supply on Monday, and
the Metropolitan Burial Bill and the Water-works Bill
on Friday evening next.
On the motion that the House at its rising should ad-
journ to Monday.
Mr. ANSTEY rose amidst loud groans and cries of
" Oh." Hon. Members (said Mr. An3tey) must know
from long exPerience that that sort of thing would not
gorodor
agnainwsittha,hlitmtia.—t. him.-(Oh, oh, and laughter.) He was
p
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to draw the attention of— t(hßeeCnehwaende
to the subject of certain papers long promised, relating
to the disgraceful business of the expulsion of Protestant
Chancellor
missionaries from the Austrian territories, and contain-
ing the Earl of Malmesbury's acquiescence in the pro-
ceedings of the Auitrian Government. These papers
had not yet been laid before the House, and be now
begged to ask the Right Hon. Gentleman to use his in-
fluence to obtain their production.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
believed the papers must by that time he printed, and as
soon as they were ready he presumed they would be laid
upon the table.
Lord D. STUART wished to put a question to the
Chancellor of the Exchequer respecting some papers
which had been laid before the House that day with re-
gard to the outrage committed upon Mr. Mather, a British
subject, by an Austrian officer in Tuscany. It would ap-
pear from those papers that her Majesty'aGovernment en-
tirely disavowed the proceedings of Mr. Scarlett in that
case. As he read the
Papers, Lod Malineshury entirely
disavowed Mr. Searlett, and was not at all satisfied with
the arrangemetue which had been entered into by that
gentlemen with tbe Tuscan Government. He trusted
the Right Hon.
Gentleman would inform the House
whether he was right. in so reading these dispatches.
and whether it was the intention of the Government to
take any further stepit to obtain redress for the outrage.
committed on a British subject.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER must
say that he was rather surprised at the inquiry of the
Noble Lord. The Government had laid upon the table
all the
Lepaversasked whict
hrealtatoepdintioon hthise wassubo form,ectiandyet
andthe
Noble
what conclusions he was to draw.—(Hear, hear, and a
laugh.) The papers would soon be in the hands of every
Hon. Member, and he must ask the House to form its
own opinion upon them. He was confident that that
opinion would be satisfactory to her Majesty's Govern-
ment, though he would not answer for what might be
the opinion of the Noble Lord. All he could say was,
that the Government had fulfilled their duty in laying
the whole of the papers on the table; that there had
been no reserve on their part; and that the Noble Lord
was now in a position to form his own opinion upon the
subject.
Lord D. STUART said the Right Hon. Gentleman
did not seem to understand his question.—(Order, order.)
He wished to ask whether it was the intention of her
Majesty's Ministers to take any further steps to, obtain
redress for the outrage committed on the person of Mr.
Mather?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
his answer was that they had placed on the table of the
House all the papers relative to the subject, as also a
dispatch deseribieg the ulterior steps that her Majesty's
Telinisters were prepared to take on the subject.—(Year.)
Mr. MILNES thought when the papers were before
the House, and when the question was repeated, the
Government would be able to give a satisfactory answer.
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