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oxn obtaining the consent of Parliament to a grant
the°_4o, 00/. out of the Coesolielated Fund for facilitetieg
ta?l,....e?repletion of three Irish railways. To one of those
,onyB there had been allotted a sum of 480,0001., and
10,,..73:c0u1d doubt but that the motley hail been wisely
Ireland, Lord Clarendon, the late Lord-Lieutenant of
eperir..; While assisting at the festival by which the
ltileels of the Midland Great Western Railway of
toe;SQ, Which was one of those three liars, had been
the Attal—Lord Clarendon congratulated himself on
%%1,174? had beem able to give to the promoters of the
teseet7mg, and expressed his satisfaction at its perfect
)11-17.
_lt appeared from a report which had been
ezp.:nuril to the House last session, that there bad been
ft 4 the of late earsy a sum of more than 8,000,000/.
ted th unprovement of the communications in England,
hied, at!, sum of 2.450,000/. had been expended iu Ire-
leen' while in the Highlands of Scotland there had not
telftePended One farthing. Of the sum expended in
Nutt! not less than 973,0001. had been devoted to the
ee "letten of railways; and a great part of that sum
au beendbt repaid, and the whole of it would, he had no
40114 z be ultimately returned. In the year 1846 the
Rae had passed an Act for the construction of a rail-
oheanWhich would facilitate the cemmuuicatien between
lee° atid Glasgow; but that project was one of a very
litie:Plete and unsatisfaetory character, and the cease
Of ree *Was that it had altogether failed. Instead
het,:orrei
ng a complete railway communication
for sett Oban and Glasgow -that was to say,
forma distance of 80 miles—it would merely
w ~,. a railway communication for a distance
Nie or 46 miles to Loch Lomond, along which the
lietto e
was
4'7 to be carried by steam navigation. He be-
that what was wanted was a complete system of
of t7OY communication, which would develope the traffic
el.? Western Highlands. But that was an undertake
itilueeend the resources of the proprietors (if the dis-
4citt Before the passing of the Act of 1846, surveys
of been made from which it appeared that the expense
,Ipt.C.' bstructing the 45 miles of railway to Loch Lomondet a amount to 265,000/. It had since been estimated
Est the cost of constructing the 80 miles of railway
07, Oban to Glasgow would amount to nearly 500,000/.
that sum the proprietorsof the district were pre-
-414t1 to provide
be. two-fifths, the Government
a're prepared to advance, by way of loan, the remain-
it three-fifths and they would offer the undertaking as
'ker ' Now, ,,
et -Y for the repayment of that loan. esow, he *beget
ettwas a modest demand, and one to which the Gos
u
itea,ent might be expected to give a favourable consi-
thettl°n• He did not ask them to pledge themselves on
ii?eoesion to adopt the proposal; he would leave it
eu, to appoint an officer of their own to inquire
the feasibility and the expediency of the pro-
et,,,2 slid then they might take the course they should
*it'll: advisable; in the matter. He had been told that
%w ear' outlay of between 1001. and 2001. they might
thereg,alsch intormation on the subject as would enable
a that
determine whether or not they ought to agree
thet t'll'i resolution. He should only state, in conclusion,
teeeika inhabitants of the district in question possessed
lhet It't claims on the favour of the Legislature, and
lxisted more patient and peaceable people had never
kr, e--(Hear.)
tivine MACGREGOR was in principle opposed to
hat2ablic money to advance private works. no matter
ateted'ir nature. But there were circumstances con-
!tact .with the Western Highlands which should at-
-41(1 been of the attention of that House. Ireland
tletßt„eell said to have received large sums, and be did
Ilres 'tugs them ; but Ireland was always largely re-
a•enten
eue in the government of the country ; whilst
of lien''t had only her Lurd Advocate, who spent most
NeielAule in London and was to a great extent unae- MORTMAIN COMMITTEE.
`ste,a-• with the wants of the country. It should also Mr. HEADLAM moved that the Select Committee
°I th -eathered on the present occasion that three-fourths on the laws of mortmain do consist of seventeen Mem-
lith ei'llblie revenue of Scotland was paid into the Eng- berstand to nominate the following Menshere:—Mr.
%Mete zchaquer, while the remaining one-fourth was Headlam, Lord John Manners, the Attorney-General for
tees lit to defray the military ,and civil expenses of the Ireland, Mr. Hatt, Mr. Marshall, Lord_ Harry Vane,m
11,, 41, as also the expenses a collecting the revenue. Mr. &tato Adair, Mr. Anstey, Mr. Drummond, .
.r.
%vett: aware that if this matter was taken up by the Pitzpatriek, Mr. Hardcastle, Sir Robert Harry Inglis,
%4tre,l:llent the landed proprietors in that district would Mr. Heald. Mr. Keogh, Mr. Philip Howard, Mr. Mon-
'thew,4w'" lould hargely
ave ; andat
he believe
traffic as d tbe ltheine,
London if con- selMr. HUME thoul, and Mr. Meagght there was a rule fixing the num-
her.
teljler .
s. eii, 4 ton, ber of. Members at fifteen, unless there were special. rea-
41tie • STRICKLAND protested against the under- sons for it.
k'net Ilfelt°e.-ether. The principle of advancing public Mr. HEADLAM said his reason for adding thrfe.ad-
„Nei fur Private projects had already gone ton tar. Ho ditioual Members was that there was. net a
.safficient
al'ild et,--- told that private property in the Highlands number of Members of the Roman
.Catholle religion.
ONO improved; but were such means justifiable to Mr. WALPOLE said the question was whether the
nte said to for that urpose?—(Hear, hear.) It had Committee were to meet merely to make a report, or
'1412114-Z that alread 1310,00°.C" of money had been whether they intended to examine further witnesses. If
tt-tte,,,Tto improve eryivateintereete. But he should pro- the former, he had no objection;. but if the latter,. these
'ear‘"itst What right had any Hen. Gentleman new Members had not had the advantage of hearing the
pis,such,
neitii 'or a grant of public money to improve his own previous evidence.
Zoete Llirelperty ? He might be answered that the sums Mr. HEADLAM said there was only one witness to
nteti "" paid by mortgage; but even in that way they be examined, but of course he would not object if it was
leers Let be paid in 20, in 30, or it might be in 40 found necessary to examine others.
khe ..... e; (Rear, hear.) As to Lord George Bentinck's Mr. ANSTEY said if the Hon. Gentleman intended
icy, ife ter promoting to close the labours of the Committee, he was not taking
railways in Ireland, he should
atlittever there was a country in the world which had the best means of doing so. If any of the new Members
t)ttel 'to relief of the kind it was Ireland at that pe- required it, it might be necessary to go over the evidence
'44;1, and yet the House was reluctantly compelled to again°
(14,t the advance which that Noble Lord applied for.— Mr. P. HOWARD supported the additions proposed
ta tile' hear.) At presented there existed no such claim to the Committee, as it was essential that so large and
lhatire did in the case of Lord Bentinck, and be should important a class of the community should be repro-
Te:nte,aoapose the application.—(Hear, hear.) seated.
teNild CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he Mr. DRUMMOND, as a member of the Committee,
protested against any further evidence being taken.
ittrite:easthre the Hon. and Learned Gentleman the
of i,'" Newark that he had not mistaken the feel- Mr. SCULLY said the constitution of the Committee,
here Leanit.ilottse or of the country when be assumed which showed so largo a preponderance of members of
te-emtt tea House
be considerable sympathy with the inhabi- one class of opinions, had caused great dissatisfaction in
I,(leetlfille Western Highlands; and if he (the Chan- Ireland.
Aelee
.the
eexchequer) saw there ware any means by The committee was then appointed.
aNieiose advantage of that portion of her Majesty's OUTRAGES IN THE NORTH OF IRELAND.
thllett tarcould be leitimately secured, he should be. The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for IRELAND moved
tk-Dre.„- -4°ll who would throw'obstacles in the way of for a Select Committee to inquire into the state of those
C, Z. t PrOposition. But when he had to consider parrs of the counties of Armagh, Monaghan, and Louth,
e.eteeta len raised by the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, which are referred to in her Majesty's speech; into the
170..11.4;70_co.nntecrted as he was with that part of the immediate cause of crime and outrage in those districts;
Cut that.w.n.beto e the House, and who
_from his p i- and into the efficiency of the laws, and of their adminis-
e ", he ee ' ',Louse was eminently entitled to considera-°8
tration, for the suppression of such crime and outrage.
Pike 174 bound to say that Hon. and Learned Gen- The Learned Gentleman said that his motion was sub-
't - bad failed tojstablish hs position.—(Hear.) stantially the same as the one he intended to make be-
lt (the e
t/ it dCh of the Exchequer) did not mean to fore the change in the Government took place.—(Hear,
itiitt:eserrn as a rule that the State should not assist pri- hear.) On the first night of the session he drew atten-
te 'he y, Prises or advance capital for the improvement of lion to the subject, which was alluded to in the Speech
haf'rgtetrtat,P_ertY. The Hon. Baronet opposite_ seemed. from the Throne, a paragraph of which spoke of the'
11 tee chat capital so advanced was no alone repaid, crimes and. outrages in the three counties of the north of
'tin Paid withexcellent hear.) Ireland, included in his motion. The Noble Lord then
1,4, g the . i . interest.-(Hear,
httett the State
which might be easily adduced, in at the head of the Government informed him that inas-
"li te,-,, t_t3tate had made advances in furtherance of much as a Special Commission was sitting, and had not
atteeee l'itelate he was aware that in principle it should finished its proceedings, it wouldl be premature to go
tt.,,t'lle ad with caution, and never applied but under into the subject at that time. __ he Noble Lord was un-
-1)-ei conditions. He was ready to admit there doubtedly right, and be could not . proceed with the
4, , este_ . 5. .
Ill' JeeeLlees in which it might not only be expedient, matter then. But when the Commission had terminated,
.% e 4tsble
htei 50 tate to make these advances.. He would not h. e gave notice of a motion for a Committee to inquire
th„ 110 f ' any lengthened investigation of the propo- into the causes. why the law had proved insufficient in
e 'aid Qae whose loss he would ever deplore. But he the counties of Louth, Monaghan, and Armagh, for the
Istlttal tea‘ind th House that it ought not to be looked suppression of crime. The Right Honourable Baronet
it:it:4Z aniere statistical proposition, but one brought the then Home Secretary, put a motion on the paper as
114 ,Field ~_, moment of great emergency, and as such an amendmentad to his, the terms of which he (Mr.
adopted, because he found on looking at the
Itell'..lf iteut!t„ be mixed up in the common category. Napier) h
eh tniek, took .that measure of the late Lord George amendment,n that there was no real difference between
tliZlSt,,til which he (the Chancellor of the Ex- I them. .He conferred with the Right Hon. Baronet on
te use wan a warm supporter, as a precedent for I the subject, and the Right Hon. Baronet, with the coure
wile 6,4,'• Proposition, he should also remember that tesy which always distinguishes his intercourse with
ell:Lete,;,-erns formerly propounded by that lamented members on either side of the House, in expressing his
lt;tleesvth.ere were to be found come matters of kn. concurrence in the object in view, said ho should
.make
ti, 'ltch did not appear in the present pro- no opposition to his taking any step to bring the subject
t"tets (Hear,,,7 hear.) In the case of the Irish railways before the House. He need not say that it was a sub-
(*) es a
Op M . large advance o f pdblic money ject. of the deepest interest. to the Irish people, or that it
t a--te_t but there was also this important condi claimed the most serious atttention from the House, be-
isercle ttelY, that there should be a previous outlay cause there could be nothieg of greater moment than the
ttteliet, he State should be called upon to advance any security of life and property in Ireland, which, however_
igte.tU„'"(e Rear, hear.) It was clearly understood that they might differ on matters of policy, was, afters all,hthe
:te tii"u of the capital employed was to be laid out be- substratum of good government. Now, the pare from
Nth). e State should be called uporato advance. the re- the Throne adverted to the state of those districts, and
it tt:C two-th* li_ k _ irds; so that if the State advanced 2001. he thought he was entitled to lay before the House such
tltt " security the capital of 3001.—(Hear, hear.) clear and unambiguous evidence of a very. startling.
.4), .he could not Emmert 'n that there had been any out- nature, respecting the state of those very districts of
le the preseat al.
!tr. STUART instance.ye the country, as would at least call upon the House to
hpall/4411t1 be advan7Z- by-tteliPacesition.' is, that two-fifths pause well, to consider it, and to lend every con-
Titiont were called upon, proprietors before the Go- s titutional assistance to inquire into, and remove
if possible, the causes which produce a. mat;
. .. .
llitn i'' CHANCELLOR of the 'are-
ttll,
.attile, if the proprietors hadluabs,scorai
----CHEQUER said in of things at variance with the preservation . o
case position to
TOte'taviPital, they would then be ; he?el two•fiftlas of life and property, with the introduction of capital,
n come be- with employment, with industry, and with every
14tet-e House and state their
111 Circumstances he did not know whether
_owe• But even under thing of importance either to the owners or to the men-
Nte " recommend an advance; for as to
or not he piers of land in this portion of the country. In the
Itirttilees of money, and then calling ou:the state
-`) hY othetical course of last year, the grand jury of. the county,• of
to be patting to come Louth, of which Lord Claremont, an extensive landed
ifi such appeared to him
g the oar be- orietor in the county, was foreman,: presented a me-
te6,the hors Hear.)( If there had been* great outlay
kih-(114., e.-- ublie work in a district
i two , on a great p mural to Lord Clarendon, in which they drew attention
s an organized system of crime
of the to what struck them a ,
tit ti to Which afforded prospect of remuneration. me.
Other
mending
4 e Government would he de • earnest investigation. It suggested that the
tit la e'e circumstances the
ti, advancing
,‘t fin., money. But at present nothing-what. most able police_ officers should be sent into the country
-tv ea It s acknow ege had 1 d there to acquire a knowledge of the "Ribbon" system, and
Leo ee beepbeen done. via and the H
alone during two
tt.thct even a survey of the place; andmatters relating to the administration of the law,
not now necessary to enter into. He (Mr. Napier) a-
; terwards got a return of the state of crime in that county
be :Pr Glasgow, who seconded the present motirn
I, q•ip.-'. they had no maps or p 151190
all 44 • •
tt cited CIeREG OR— What
I said was, that a few netted with the Ribbonsy' '
overt acts of a ears selecting only the cases con-
ystem. So startling were these
o he was
(34,10. a should be expended ,in this way before this cases,
greatdcoonfederacy, which, if not put down,
perfectly conscious that they were the
was call
flue eon.. called upon. _
th te a-`43,NCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER admitted would put the law.
est eas mannidzedwecroenisnpifraaectyinagoaipennstcolinfe-
ie,ti eret
oni a survey from Loch Lomond to Oban, but flict with the law—ea wonr.g
embraced the period between
to naurde'rine
peißtit.th'lY to the extent of come fifty miles' He and property. The return
'tee • "re should be a survey of the whole before any the 20th of April, 1849, and the 29th of December, 1851.
ucli.ng mur-
d twent -th
Y ree separate cases • l '
Iktil?.l'il tilln was made. He should repea.t, if he saw It embrace
lep‘aots till' ,a, proposition in .which Baste. anco would dors, shooting with intent
he would wounding, threatening notices, actin , cutting and
ItePort it;e interests of a suffering community,
kind. of unlawful assemblies, administering as members
i 4 46130a14 but the present was not a case of that
e and preventing prosecutionran-f unlawful
4;41 0, also remind Hon. Gentlemen there was an oates,
tehLags o;tiaet which was legitimately available for under- And he found that out of those "line.
cases, in five instances only there had b twen-
tee's • badt'4ll kind. The Loan Commissioners for public three.
..
in all the rest, the law not having beeenenabl°-
llit-''Y tee 4 Nod that might be applied, in case the se- victions. eto
e vre i ke the criminal. Shortly before the meeting
of
th t% legitimate and the object proper. Now, if overtake
0b.., eet „, s • l Commission was issued to the
et if tatter() an imrtant work for the country, he Parliament a Special
bag nil ttno
tin -Gentlemen put .
themselves
in a position county of Aloneg a 9
h o which was proceeding at the •
time
Special Com • -
the „..ttecet apply to the Commissioners of Public Works the session commenced; and thatmission,
et elo .`'e that assistance which they now s
I►ote, testa le.Government, marked its sense
ought from issued on the part of the .
of . . .
of the peculiar state criminality
'NC' b He doubted not the construction of the lineof
its coneciousness
Member for : the
h. 'to e Useful, but the Government was also bound to of the district. The Hon. Windsor,
epee h tt,te
Population
He could assure Solicitor-General for Ireland, attended on that. Chin-
'ell. and.. of the district.h.
tt se Learned Friend it gave im
tele liaei to mission, great pa n and he was bound to say, from all the inquiry
the cases. at that
tOtt 4be proposition brought forward by him; but he he had made, that he had conducted
But no convictions were
itihtLot th„aPPy to receive any memorial from the projec-Commission with g,reat ability.
414", he - undertaking, and if the claims were legal- had, and the cases remaining were removed out of the
we another
ithoeter
~..uld be happy to give it all the assistance in Queen's Bench, with a view of being taken 10 f
te‘r. ti.. 4 (Rear, hear.)
a • LT part of the country, where there was a probability o
tit at e.- CE believed it was the duty of Government getting a better class of jurors. At that Commission a
le'ir ea- districts which were in a position to develope judge, inferior to none in learning and judgment, pre-
ll rears
t3i1143, tot OlreeS, which, in the present case, could .
sided. As the cases remaining were to go down to be
the next assizes he allude to
tlehou'llieY„ ttually done. by the construction of a line of tried at . would not further . _
'let helee'rwever, be should say the preliminaries the Commission, the men being untried. The Right
Reuel netihtet been taken. before applying to that House. Hon. Gentleman then referred to the charge delivered
t's-ti ziotailtlinge he hoped her Majesty's Ministers by the Learned Judge to the grand jury, in which
preel get their faces against the project, as it was in he stated it was too true that Ribbonism prevailed
it epee+
NI ttec et worthy of the deepest consideration. iu all its terrors in that district. He next alluded to
tat 44%4 '4ll•PBELLaupported the motion of his Hon. the murder of Mr. Bateson, and said he had a very illi
ef elle4teed Friend, whoa, ho thought, had made out an portant document which had been submitted to the late
liar Case to entitle the project to the consideration Chief Secretary for Ireland (Sir William Somerville),
Ii r. teny'. Ministers, an
laii and to which 160 signatures were appended. Among
hree lieutenants
tit ear came should admit that the present, as all such them those of t . . . ,twenty-seven deputy
et es re , was one of great difficulty to be dealt with, lienterents, and the magistrates of the three counties he
tt,:4 Ne.guded Which it was impossible to lay down a had nmacd. The statement in. that document coerce.
iteti?ald et_ however, he could not see what advantage ponded. with what ha been said by the present Lurd
-'ll4 C*4 the .Highlands to have the present pro- Chancettlet of leeland, of murders. and attempts at war-
ituatraeted, lie thought their only hope-170r, The iymPathy that prevailed in favour of-the eon
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