The Sun.
London, England, 1852-06-04 00:00:00

EVENING, JUNE 4., 1852,

(Continuttd from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
Amongst the witnesses examined was a profe3sional
gentleman. who Proved that the plaintiff hod sufnred
severelY, mentally and bodily, iu consequence of the
abrupt termination of :he defendant's addresses.

M. PIIXNN
,addressed the jury hi mitigation of da-
mages. Ile wculd not impute the slightest impropriety to
the young lady, vibes° name had been put torch as the
plaintiff,' and truly so, not by her own wish or desire,
but by her relatives?, to vindicate, as they termed it, a
character which he (the Learned eonnsd) believed to
be irreproachable. It was not the lady's wish to soothe
bar anguish by geld, for it has been said that; the lady
entertained the feeling towards the defendant of" with
alt thy faults, I love thee oil" The Learned Counsel
for the plaintiff has spoken to that point, and it was now
only a question, for the jury to assess the damages.
Both the plaintiff and defendant were in equal circum-
stances na to respectability, but the defendant's circum-
stances had brea much exaggerated.
The jury retired, and on their reluln into court gave
a verdict for 500/.'

THE AUSTRALIAN GOLD DIGGINGS.
The following extracts from letters just received from
LeanCoster), Van Dienien'ei Land, aro illustrative of
the extraordinary social revolution now in progress in
the Australian gold districts :
" Sailors from Port Philip are obtaining 901. for the run
home, and 10/, has been paid for the run across to Laun-
ceston. Neither the Elizabeth Thompson nor Warrata
can get away for want of hands, and it is questionable if
the Stirlica'shire will get away to-morrow for the same
reason. Every time a vessel or the steamer arrives from
P-rt Philip our community is in a complete state of
agitation, and a perfect scramble ensues to get a passage
over. We think all manufactures of good quality will
be dear. All the tanners, currierss harness-makers, coach-
builders, millers, carpenters, bricklayers, smiths, &e., are
off to the 6 diggings.' My gig required doing up very
badly: it has been at the coachmakers more than two
months, and I can't get it done for want of hands. Ile will
not tike a fresh order, and as• soon as those he has' un-
dertaken are completed he intends to shut up shop, end
ho too will be off to the 'diggings.' Our harvest pro-
mises to be most abundant, but w© aro so short of hands
that.; I know not bow it will be safely got in and
housed, and under • all these circumstances we
really cannot say whether wheat will be dear
or cheap. The mills at Port Philip are shut up, and
our own mills are not properly supplied with hands=
some standing still; in short, it completely upsets every-
thing with us. My clerk is gone to the ' diggings,' and
I do not know how or where to get another, and if one
is found the salary he will require will be enormous.
I am almost afraid it will cost me twice as
much to conduct my establishment this year as it has
any previous one, and without a clerk I shall
be worked to death. Nothing doing in shipping,
excepting in conveying passengers in the regu-
lar trading vessels, and must pay remarkably
well. We are daily expecting from California a
slashing Yankee steamer. She is intended to ply
backwards and forwards between Port Philip and
Launceston, and • will make the passage in thirty-six
hours or so. And now about gold at Port Philip.
In two months from the discovery of gold there,
1,000,0001 worth is known to have been conveyed
into Melbourne and Geelong. A large qnstitity has
reached us, and been purchased at 31. to 3/. 2s. per ez.;
every vessel, therefore, leaving the colony will convey
gold home. The last screw steamer (fiend Port Philip)
is said to have brought amongst 200 passengers more
than 50,000/. worth. The Hero, the first wool ship,
took home 120,0001. worth. The Melbourne has on board
more than 400,000/. worth, and from the accounts we
receive from those who have been, and been successful,
it appears that gold in that colony is inexhaustible.
All the labouring class are gone or going, and
almost every one of these has been a prisoner—some of
the most successful are even now only emancipist. An
old servant of mine digs up 1501. in sixteen days; a
servant of G—'s brings 25ilbs. weight in a few weeks;
another party of seven pick up on the grass, and never
poke the ground over more than a foot deep, more than
401bs. weight in eight days. Very numerous in-
stances might be adduced of success. It will revolu-
tionise us here. We want a large influx of popula-
tion, or I don't know how the pastoral, aaericultural, and
other pursuits of the colony can be carried on. All that you
may hear about it in England you may believe, for rely on
it the whole truth will not be told. At Mount Alexander,
Port Philip, it is in great abundance—the operation of
digging not being carried to a greater depth than 5 feet;
and besides, it is spread over such an extent of country,
more than 100 miles. England must be benefitted by it.—
it all goes to England. She must give something in ex-
change, which will be her manulactures, and perhaps
flour among the rest. Dysentery, from the want of good
water, prevails greatly in the hot weather at Monet
Alexander, and has driven many away. In March we
shall be almost destitute of males. I never saw such a
paucity of men. since I have been in the colony.
*•* * * *
" The town of Launceston is quite in a commotion—
fellows with gold rings, watches, chains, &c., that
have been common blacksmiths. One that • had
often shod my horse returns the possessor of 1004
after paying all expenses ; this, too, in five weeks.
Another, a hard-working labeurer, in G --'s store,
returns with 25 lba weight, which G-- bought.
A boy, too, about fourteen years of age, cleared in less
time 400/. Another of the same age 1201. It is waste
I dame to multiply instances. These, with many others,
have come immediately before myself. I don't know
how we shall get our harvest in. We have abundant
cops, bat not sufficient labour. Everything, I am
afraid, will be enormously dear. All labour, espe-
cially mechanics, as carpenters, bricklayers, painters, &c.,
in 'short every description of manual labour is wanted.
I should think it would pay well to ship American
flour to Port Philip. Not a man will do a stroke of work
while in possession of gold, and knowing where and
how to gat more when that is gone. I really can't
tell how we shall get on; our social state will be
truly wretched, end can only be neutralised by an im-
meese influx of population from home. In Port Philip
the wages of a woman servant are 501. per annum, and
will continue at this rate so long as the gold lasts, and
perhaps higher. In short, they will not work. Every
gold finder thinks himself a gentleman now, and tells
you he has done with work."

- -
Sir James Graham, Bart., has made a present to
his tenants of all their grass and clover • seeds for this
year's sowing, besides 40 bushels of lime per acre.
ACTS or PARLIAMENT.—OnIy 20 public Acts have
received the Royal Assent, and 34 local Acts, in the present
session, which commenced on the 3d of February—just four
months.

An Australian paper publishes an advertisement
from the proprietor of a sheep and cattle boiling-house, at
Sydney, who offers for sale manure composed of beef, and
mutton.

THE NEW PRoPERTY-TAX ACT.—Yesterday the
New Property-tax Act (15 Victoria, cap. 20) was issued.
The several Acts on the Income and Property-tax are to be
continued from the sth of April last to the sth of April
next, " and until the assessments made, or which ought to
be made, for the said last-mentioned term, or for any pre-
ceding year, limn be corapleted, collected, lolled, and paid." ,

FRIDAY

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

HOUSE OF LO RDS, June 3.
The LORD CHANCELLOR tot )k his beg on the Woo.
sack at Five o'clock.

PETITIONS.
Earl FITZLIA.RDINGE pi ecented a petition from
Tewkesbury, praying for a measure to legalize marriage
with a deceased wife's sister.
Lard BEAUMONT presented a petition in favour of
copy holds enfranchisement.
The Bishop of CASHEL presented a petition from a
place in Herefordshire praying for the inspection of
nunneries.

The Representative Peers (Scotland) Bill was read a
second time on the motion of Lord REDESDALE,
Their Lordships then adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMII,IOIVS, June 3.
The SPEAKER took the Chair shortly before Four
o'clock.

Mr. FEARGIIS O'Cotmon was in his place, and dis-
played his former anxiety to shake bands with every
one present, not excluding even the Speaker or the
Sergeant-at-Arms. •
PRIVATE BUSINESS.
The Lords' amendments to the following Bills were
considered and agreed to:—
Athlone Markets and Customs.
Glasgow, Kilmarnock' and Ardrossata Railway.
Lancaster Waterworks, Cemetery, and Gas.
Newmarket Railway.
South Essex Estuary and 'Reclamation Bill.
Thal°Rowing Bina wore read a third time and passed—
Great Western Railway (No. 2).
London and North-Western and Buckingh,aoashiro
Railways.
Monmouthshire Railway and Canal.
Shrewsbury and Birroig,hhem Railway.
Shrewsbury and Chester Railway.
Swansea, Local Board of Health.
Wycombe Railway.
The following Bills were considered and agreed to:—
Birkenhead, Lancashire. and Cheshire Junction Railway.
Chester and Holyhead }Whiny.
Exeter Roads.
Midland Great Western Railway of Ireland.
Shrewsbury and Birmingham, and Shrewsbury and
Chester Railway Companies Amalgamation.
Tees Conservancy.
York and North Midland Railway.
The Balmoral Estate Bill was read a second time, and
ordered to be committed.

• . PETITIONS.
Mr. LACY presented a petitWn from Walworth,
praying for the inspection of nunneries.
Mr. SPOONED presented a petition to the same effect
from the feticide inhabitants of a place in Ireland.
Mr. HUTT presented a petition from Gateshead in
favour of cc.-an penny postage.
Mr. BANKES presented a petition from Donetshire,
praying for the repeal of the klaynooth grant.
Mr. A. STAFFORD presented a petition from North-
ampton against the Mitiriz Bill.
Mr. FITZROY presented a petition from a Tilecha-
nice' Institution, pritying'for the free delivery of Parlia-
mentary Pagers to mechanics' in:itif uteg.
LOSS OF THE BIRKENHEAD>
On the motion of*Mr. A. STAFFORD, the pro.-
ceedings of the court-I:Div:fief held npan the surviving
officers of the I3irhenhead riere ordered to be laid on the
table.

PUBLIC BUSINESS.
On the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair
cergoing into Coratnittee of Shpply,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER rose
and said that perhaps. the 1101.1T.0 would permit him to
make some observations on the conduct of the business
before the House.—(Hear, hear.) It would be remem-
bered that, when last they met, it was fired that the ad-
journed debate on Map:south should take place to-
morrow morning at twelve o'clock. Since then represen-
tations had been made to him by the gentlemen
from Ireland that it would be unfair to resew the de-
bate' then, and upon their representation ho had con-
sented to allow the debate to stand over till Tuesday
nest, at twelve o'clock, as it was his pleasure, as also
his du v, to consult the convenience of Honourable
Members from Ireland, in disposing of a matter
of this nature.—(Cries of " Her, hear.") It would,
however, iti the present state of public butirets be im-
possible for the Government to maim any other arrange-
ment for facilitating. the debate after Tuesday.—(flear,
hear.) He
proposed to-morrow morning to continue
the Committee of supply, and to-morrow evening,
with the consent of the house. he proposed to go
into Committee on the New Zealand Bill.—(Hear,
hear.) It was his first ides to take the Committee to-
morrow morning, but several gentlemen who were sit-
tieg upon Committees upstairs had represented to him
that they took great interest in the question, but it would
be impassible for them to attend in the morning; and in
deference to them he bad fixed the Committee for the
aiming. Ile wished now to impress upon the House the
gravity of the public business that remained to be dis-
patched at the present period of the session. Hon. Gen-
tleana must be aware that much of it was of that
character which Government could have had a
control over at any earlier period.—(Hear, hear.)
Many of the measures were intended to continuo already
existing laws, and although the time in which those
would have to be disposed of was short, yet he did not
despair, with the assistance cf the House and becoming
energy, of being able to complete the business without
interfering with that ulterior result which they were all
anxious should be attained.--(Hear, hear.) In going
into Committee of Supply be might, perhaps, be allowed
to make this remark, that while Goverment felt it to
be their duty to submit nothing to the consideration
of the House which , was not of great urgency
or paramount necessity, he did hope that
Hon. Gentlemen generally, in the motions which
they might bring forward, would be influenced by the
same feeling.—(Hear, hear.) At present there wore a
variety of amendments on the paper
Com-
mittee of Supply, which under ordinary en going into
thrown-
stances,Com-
and in the usual state of affairs,
Government would &ad it to be their duty to
give their attention to, but they were not matters of
Patch, or of that character which the
had recommended to be discussed in
the present session, and he hoped the Hon. Gentlemen
who had charge of them would display a becoming for-
oatthLehisn
abnegation, by abstaining to bring
for-
bearance er
Rouseagre
an
nc
eye oran
generally
i i
ss
lie business, and in doing so he begged to
advanced stage of the session,
--souse generally to facilitate the
roulette were anxious to close the session
at it
thtraeoett progress
are
tephpfiaeertrol vi
appealed
eadPd: I l'ivt
which
accomplish the important results which the urgent mea-
sures they had brought forward were intended to pro.
duce.—(flear. hear.)
Sir
especial attention awttaesntion to the present state
of public glad to have the ofoppor-
tunity drawing :I
He readily admitted that some for-
bearance ought to be shown to the Government with re-
ference to making motions upon going into Committee of
Supply, mobile there could be no doubt that the wish of the
country was that the labours of the present session
JAMES
ic business. GR ;
should be brought to a close within the shortest possible
time consistent with the due
and proper discharge of
public business.—(hear. hoar.) It therefore appeared
to him to be of paramount importance to consider what
fin the e e
ch it was indispensable to dispose
the present session. Just let him,
then, call the attention of the House to the fact that there
were 27 orders of the day on the paper which he
wo t m
ouarssu er ee sf se i
held in his hand, heal:lee four or five notices
into Committee of Supply
goingtheir urgency, he denied that they
were of that character which rendered it indispensable
they should be decided in the present session of Parlia-
ment.—(flear,
-eat) The orders of the day 'could
butof motion
witli respectbe before e
to
be divided into branches.* In the first place,
there was the law. What were the questions with refer-
ence to the administration of the law which they were
called upon to discuss on the 3d of June? There was
first the Comma Law Procedure Bill, which had come
down from the other House of Parliament after having
been amply discussed, and which they were
COW Called upon
to decide both in' principle
and detail, at the end of the session.—(Soar, hear.)
There was next the Masters of Chancery Abolition
Bill, and Improvement
of Equity Jurisdiction Bill, in
reference to which yet been taken be-
y ond introducing it to the House, and which would re-
quire full and careful consideration.—(Bear, bear.)
There was, besides the Suitors in Chaucery
Relief Bill, which n'. . .
and it was
Steen in a similar position,
impossible to exof these
r, aggerate the importance of any
measures,--(sitar, hear.) Take again the colonial
branch: there was the New Zeeland Bill, which it was pro-
posed to take to-morro , when they had Committees sit-
ting up stairs upon of urgency and importance,
such as the Bast measures
's Charter and the laws
India Company relating to the of Ireland with refer-
encegood government
to crime and Then, again, there was the
Colonial Bi h , outrage. .
of Quebec Bill, and
-8 and
Bill, the Bishopric
other Bills f ' t' g the colonies
which 0 ortance respec in . . ,
it
Was impossible to decide upon at this period of
the sesseare and ea the . ' state of affairs. On the
existing other hand, he', of a pressing
Ter, there were measures
character svhiche could -passed over. There was,
for instance, a
Bill
l_not be
row being considered up-
which was .
stairs, relating and outrage in Ire-
land, eswell:as in . White-boy Acts,
the consolidation of the
which it was
• b sed this session.—
important should e s
(Hear, hear.) There was also the Encumbered Estates
Act to be renewed, and a Bill of the ' greatest importance
had been introduced by the Admiralty on the subject
°I. havY Pay, which was of a pressing character.
—(fleare bear.) Then,again, under the head
of Woods a
the —etropo-
nd Forests there was AT
litan Buildings Act of 230 clauses, to be amended
by a Bill of 79 clause; and also the Metropolitan In Aet, to be amended by a similar Bill; although
he was under the inn ion thanthis latter measure had
di
been fullypres on
scussed and settled in a former session.
Besides these there was the question of the water supply
and the renewal of the Sewers Commission to be dis-
pbsed of, all of them matters of importance, and requir-
ing much discussion before they can be got rid of.-
-(Cries of " Hear, hear.") Then, again, there was
the branch votes
of supply, There yet remained 200
to be taken, 64 of which the lion. and Learned Member
,he
for Youghal intended to oppose—O. laugh)—and
should be glad to know how it was possible for
all these various subjects ects to be satisfactorily
disposed of within the space contemplated by
the Government. Under these eircumstances he should
take till Mondny to
suggest that the Government should
consider what measures they would press on, end what
and having considered
measures they Would abandon,
that matter, they
should declare the order in
which thethem. Ho felt strong]
on meant to take ,
on 'his ma. no., haese,e he bed a gte it aepreeeie ; - e e
unless they took care they would bring the i ; .llStattliloo of
a representative government into discredit with the
country, for pp they had been going on hitherto it would

almost teem that the House was not only incompetent
but afraid to decide upon questions of vital interest to
the people.—(Hear, hear.) He alluded now to the mo-
tion which had been twice brought forward on the sub-
ject of Maynooth.—(Hear, hear.) The Honourable
Gentlemen who are charged with that motion had
admitted that for all practical purposes the
motion was useless. Certainly so far as obtaining
inquiry in the present session, it was useless, and that
being so, he put it to the House and the Government if
any good could be obtained by continuing a discussion
which would lead to no practical result, but which was
calculated to excite anger and discontent amongst
different classes of the community. (Hear, hear.)
He did not deprecate a decision on the Maynooth ques-
tion, but he was against endless discussion upon it, and
he thought the question could never he determined at a
morning sitting. Soule course ought certainly to be
adopted to prevent that House, which was considered
an example for representative assemblies, from being
brought into disrepute by their misconduct on the debate
on Maynooth.
Mr. SPOONER said ho never admitted that no prac-
tical good would result from the debate on the College of
Maynooth.
Sir JAMES GRAHAM—That no practical result
would arise from the inouiry this session.
Mr. SPOONER. would admit there could not be an
i entire nquiry—(Cheers)—but there was something else
besides inquiry. He wanted to know the determination
of the House, "Aye" or " No," whether the subject of
Maynooth deserved inquiry. The country called for a
decision on the point, and he would press for a division.
Mr. SAN DFORD expressed his willingness to yield
to the appeal of the Government. He would withdraw
his motion respecting betting houses, in order to fecili-
tate the 'Amine of the Committee of Supply, though ho
considered that motion to be one of very great im-
yortsinee.
Lord JOHN RUSSELL hoped the Chancellor of
the Exchequer would give an answer to the inquiries
of Sir James Graham on Monday or Tuesday next, for
they deserved the serious consideration of the Govern-
ment. The Honourable Member for North War-
wickshire was wrong in stating the nature of the
questiou of Maynootb, which was not for ascertaining
the opinion of the House in regard to that college, but
whether an inquiry should be instituted by a Select
Committee on the Bth of June. Ile (Lord J. Russell)
thought it would be far better for the Government to
institute an inquiry on its own responsibility, than to
refer the subject to the investigation of a Select Com-
mittee. If the Hon. Member were really desirous for an
inquiry, ho had taken the very worst course for the pur-
pose of obtaining it.—(Hear.) In regard to Supply, he
considered the best mode of proceeding was for the Go-
ternment to eppoint consecutive days for the sitting of
the Committee.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
*as It.s intention to state, on Monday next, the views of
the Government generally win regard to the conduct
of public business, end he would reserve any
eh-serve:lone ha might have to make in reply
to the inquiries of 'Sir James Graham until then. He
would now merely say he did not despair of being able
to eft clumsily accomplish this session all the business that
was absolutely necessary. It was not his wish to depre-
cate the tallest discussion on the items brought forward
in the Committee of Supply, but he appealed to Hon.
Members not to press any questions which had no par-
ticular reference to the vote under consideration.
In reply to Mr. HORSMAN,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
did not anticipate taking any other business after the
Committee of Supply this evening. The Governm. mat
would certainly not proceed with any other orders of the
day at a late hour.

MR. MATHER.
In reply to Mr. B. OSBORNE,
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said ho
would lay the papers connected with the case of Mr.
Mather on tho table of the 'louse to-morrow.
SUPPLY.
The House then went into Committee, of Supply, Mr
BERN AL in the chair.
The first von) of 113,4761. for the repairs of royal
pslsces and public beiidings, &c., was agreed to, alter
some opposition by Mr. W. WILLIAug, and a short dt&-
cusrion, in which Mr. UASIILTON explained the various
items of which the vote was composed.
Oa the next vote of 60,5461., for maintaining and
keeping in repair the royal parks and pleasure-grounds,
Lord DUNCAN inquired why there was an excess of
24,000/. as compared with the vote last year?
Mr. HAIM. PON said the increase was composed of
7,857/. for alterations and improvements in the parks of
Richmond, Bushy, and Hampton; of 4,9501. for widen-
ing the roads in Hyde-park and draining the Regent's-
park ; of 4,9761. for the maintenance of the royal
parks, which was hitherto defrayed out of the
land revenues, and also of other sums which
had been transferred to this particular account.
The question as to the continuance of the office of ranger
was, no doubt, deserving consideration.
Mr. SLANEY considered that great credit was due
to the heads of the Woods and Forests for improving
the walks and drainage of the parks, and otherwise at-
tending to the comforts and convenience of the public.
Sin DE LACY EVANS wished to know how soon
Battersea Park would be finished and opened to the
people?

Mr. RICARDO, who wore his arm in a sling, said
that, as he had bean put forward by the Noble Lord be-
.ow as a victim of the incompetency or the Noble Lord
opposite (Manners) for the office which he held, ho
bagged to say that ho owed his accident to the bad
shoulders 'of his horse and to his own clumsiness, and
not to the state of the road on which he was riding.
Lord J. MANNERS said that he was taking all the
means in his power to hasten she formation of Battersea-
park so fast as the different plots fell in.
Mr. W., WILLIAMS did not grudge a proper outlay
on the parks, but when he found that such a sum as
15,000/ was to be spent on St. James's,' the Green, and
Hyde Parks, he could not help asking why such large
sums could be constantly required for the maintenance
of those parks? It required persons of some influence
and gentility to get into those parks. He himself had
beets turned back with much incivility, when in a cab,
and about to come down to that House on public busi-
ness. Now, ho thought that these
public parks, sup-
ported as they ware by public money, were made too
exclusive. An officer of the guards was allowed to pals
through the park, but not a private gentleman. He
could not understand the reason for this distinction. He
did not wish the parks to he thrown open to omnibuses,
waggons, and carts; but certainly, considering the im-
mense sums spent on the parks, the general public ought
to have a larger amount of privilege given to them.
Colonel bIBTHORY seldom, very seldom indeed,
agreed with the Hon. Member (Mr. Williams), but, in
this instance, he really believed the public were im.
the
use of their parks.
With respect toarch,
the marble e had always objected
properly debarred from _
to the expenditure for removing
.that useless piece of ex-
travagance, and to the place se,ected for its site. He
had moved for a return of the expense of removing the
arch, and be was then assured the expense would not
greatly exceed 4,0001.; but from the statement made
to him, he learned that the actual
expense was
nearer 12,0001. t ban 9,000/ Re was one of the
last men in the House to deny her Majesty any luxury,
eujovmeet, and pleasure this country could give, for well
she merited these testimonies of regard; but a; far as
the marble arch and the trees in the park were con-
cerned, he considered the expense of removing one and
the destruction of the other, were little less than an in-
fringement on the rights and liberties of the people.
Ile would beg to ask tho Noble Lord what had been the
expenditure of removing the marble arch, and whether
the expense had been in accordance with the statement
made to him by the Noble Lord opposite?
Lord SEYMOUR denied that the cost of taking down
and rebuilding the arch had exceeded the estimate he
bad given. There were other expenses connected with
Buckingham Palace which were not included in the re-
moval of the aeels, and if those wire deducted, ho had
no doubt the expense of removing the arch would be
found to be within the estimates.
Sir DE LACY EVANS thought the arch was a very
fine ornament to the park, and very suitably situated.
With regard to the passage through the Horse Guards,
he had been denied the privilege of passing through the
park, but he thought it was not quite legal to stop the
representatives of the people when public business called
them to that House. The Hon. and Gallant Member
made some remarks on the water and drainage of the
Serpentine, which did not reach the gallery.
Lord J. MANNERS said, with respect to the drain-
age of the Serpentine, it would be difficult to legislate
on the subject; but various plans had been proposed,
and the subject was under consideration, as understood.
In reply to a question,
Lord J. MANNERS said, with respect to the office of
ranger of parks, a report had been made in whioh every
information would be found.
Lord SEYMOUR said the pay of rangers could easily
be stated—for they had no pay at all.
Colonel SIBTLIORP said on looking at the amount of
the expense of removing the arch, he could not find any
expense charged except what was consequent on the re-
moval of the arch.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS hoped the Noble Lord (Lord
Seymour) would explain the charge for ranger's apart-
ments, in St. James's Park, 1,560 L, especially as he had
just informed the House that the rangers of parka had
no pay.
Lord SEYMOUR' said the payments made were for
gateakeepers and others; the chief rangers received
seething.
Lord DUNCAN said- the rangers had lodges in some
of the parks, which lodges were kept up at the public
expense Ho again repeated that is was inconvenient to
have two sets of servants in the parks, one under the
rangers, and the other under the Woods and Forests.
He was much pleased to hear that this anomaly w
be remedied by the doing away with divided jurisdiction.lBto
Lord J. MANNERS reminded the Noble Lord
rangers of parks were royal gifts. The
juke that
Wel-
lington was ranger of Hyde-park, but of had no h The rangership of Riehmond-park otne.
the Royal Family, and a house Was given to one of
pre-
sumed the Noble Lord had was provided. He
these Royal gifts. no wish to interfere with
Lord DUNCAN did not wish
motest degree with the r" h to interfere in the re-
ts of the Crown. His Noble
Friend bad mistaken
what he said. His belief was
there e were several lodges
occupied
by
members
eesin the parks which were not
Occupied by deputy rof the
Royal Family. They were
of the public. angers, end kept up at the expense
Mr. SLANEY thought the Crown ought to have the
power of appointing to these rangersihps, as he believed
they were given as equivalents yielded by the Crown.
It would not to be quite the thing to say that the Royal
residences should be let end thus made the most of.
Mr. WILLIAMS could not understand why 1,500/.
Ahonia hr r (pir. 4to k th., 1-. a wh-n all the ,
nu.y pediivs living in ruble': to cio wits to pa and
shut the gatce.
The vela was then agreed W.

121,2491. for the New Houses of Parliament....
Agreed to.
8 3201. for a new buildieg for public records.--
Agreed to.
10,0001. for the Stationery-chits.—Agreed to.
89.396/, for new packet harbour and harbour of re-
fuge at Holyheed.—Agreed to.
170,0001 tor harbours of refuge.
Mr. WILLIAMS wished to know which of the
Channel Istaeds was to have a harbour, and what was
the original estimate?
Mr. HAMILTON said a renOrt had been published,
which seep?iecl the requisite information.
Mr. TRORNELY said the whole of the amount for
harbours of refuge exceeded 2,000,0001,, and this was
an immense num.
Mr. WILLIAMS said he understood the money for
the Channel Islands was to go towards fortifying them.
Mr. STAFFORD said that nine-tenths of the money
wee expended in harbours of refuge in the Channel
Islands, and not in fortifications.
Mr. WILLIAMS wished to know the amount of the
original estimate, and the amount spent?
Mr. STAFFORD replied, the original estimate for
Alderney was 620,000/., and for Jersey, 700,000/.; and
that there had been spent for Alderney 195,0001., and
for Jersey 192,0001. It was necessary to continue the
works, to prevent the sums already expended from be-
ing useless.
Mr. WILLIAMS believed that the public vvou!cl
prefer that all further expenditure should cease for these
works.
Tote agreed to.
1,3511., for works connected with Port Patrick Har-
bour.—Agreed to.
35 865/., for public buildings in Ireland, connected with
the Board of Works.
Mr. V. SMITH said that this was an increasing vote.
Ho noticed a suin of 30,000/, for building a Custom-
house and Post-office at Belfast. That was a new
charge and ought to have been a separate vote. After
the evidence which hod been given before the Com-
mittee, he looked with jealousy at the expenditure fur
public works in Ireland, and did not feel inclined to
trust altogether to the discretion of the Commissioners.
Mr. HAMILTON admitted that it would have been
better if the sum referred to had been made the subject
of a separate vote. In the arrangement which had been
made with respect to the building of the Custom-house,
it had been thought advisable, instead of paying the ex-
pense out of the revenue, to bring it before the House.
Mr. WILLIAMS said that he noticed in this vote a
charge of 3,9001. for Phoenix-park. There was, in
another vote, a similar charge on the same subject.
There was also a charge of 6841.. for the Queen's Col-
leges of Belfast and Galway. He believed the under-
standieg was, when Sir R. Peel brought in the estimate
fir theso colleges, that no many would he required
beyond the sum then agreed to. He also °ball ved that
there was a suns of 3,076/. for the Royal Irish Academy.
Some explanation was required as to these items.
Mr. HAMILTON said, that there could cot be a
more useful public estealishment then the Royal Irish
Academy, and the sum proposed was rendered accessary
by the expiry of the lease of the buildings connected
with it. With regard to the Qieen's Colleges, the Act
made no provision for the maintenance of them.
Mr. WILLIAMS asked for an explanation of the two
items respredng thesPheeaix-park.
Lord SEYMOUR said, that the one item referred to
the buildings in the, park; and the other to the expense
attending the grounds as a place of public recreation.
Vote agreed to.
11,028/. for repairing Kingstown Harbour.--Agreed
to.

95,800/.—salaries and expenses of officers of the two
Houses of Parliament, and allowances for retirem9nt.
Mr. WILLIAMS said there had been a great increase
in this vote. Ia 1844 the gross amount of all the items
under the head of salaries, &c,, was 677,0004 This year
it was 1,032,0001.
Sir D. NORREYS wished to know who was respon-
sible for the supply of water to the Houses of Parliament.
He wished also to direct attention to the defective state
of Westminster Hall. The water had been running into
it for the last two or three months, and there were
leakages in every direction. When the firo occurred in
part of the new Houses last year, no water was to be
had.

Lord J. MANNERS defended tho officers of the de-
partment of which he was the head from any blame in
the matter.
Lord SEYMOUR admitted that there was a deficiency
of water when the fire in question broke cut, but he had
taken measures to have a supply of water twice a day,
and had a return made every week that the supply was
sufficieut. He believed the same system bad been' con-
tinued by the Noble Lord opposite.
Vote teemed to.
54,4004 salaries of the officers of the Treasury.—
Agreed to.
26,5501, salaries of the officers of the Home Depart-
ment-office.—Agreed to.
67,735/, salaries of the officers of the Foreign-office.
Mr. WILLIAMS thought some explanation should
be given of the cuormous charge for contingent ex-
penses.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said the
vote was taken for next year, and of course those ex-
penses could not be described.
Mr. WILLIAMS suggested that in future the contin-
gent expenses of the pant year should be stated in a note
in the votes of the following year.
Vote agreed to.
38,8151. for salaries in the offices of the Secretary-at-
War and in the Colonial-cffiee.—Agreed to.
65,320/., salaries of officers of the- Privy Council and
Board of Trade.—Agreed to.
Agreedt
2,680/,o salaries of the officers of the Privy Seal.--
23,1501, salaries of the Paymaster General's depart-
ment.--Agreed to.
6,3261., salaries of the department of the Comptroller
of the Exchequer.—Agreed to.
22,8201., salaries in the office of the Commissioners
of Works and Public Buildings.
Lord DUNCAN wished to make one or two remarks
on this !cite, which was one Chet was proposed for the
first time. The House would recollect that last year a
Bill was introduced, by which the office of Public Works
!• was separated, and properly separated, from that of the
Woods and Forests. For the separation of these
two offices the public were indebted to the late Govern-
ment. The point to which he wished to direct the atten-
tion of the Committee was, the great expense which had
been incurred in consequence of the separation of the
two offices. Ho thought that the separation of the two
offices ought to have been attended with some economy;
but he found that, before the separation, the charge for
the two had amounted to 33,6001., while it had since
risen to 43,465/, showing an increase of not less than
10,000/. He also found that at the time the change had
been PEcted, a number of old clerks had been dis-
charged on retiring pensions, while a number of new
hands had been put in at a great expense to the public.
Then, again, it appeared that the sum to be paid to the
solicitor to the Board of Works, and his clerks,
amounted to not leis than 3,9001. a year, and that the
suns to be paid to the solicitor to the Woods and Forests
and Land Revenue Department, and his clerks, amounted
to not less than 7,000/. a year. He certainly thought
that those were euormoits sums to pay for legal services;
end he regretted that the eeperation of the two offices
had been rendered so unpalatable by the addition of
about 13,000/. a year to the expenses for clerks and
other officers.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said he believed the Noble
Lord was under a mistake us to the rehetive cost of the
departments before and since their separation. From a
statement then before him it appeared that before the
separation of the offices the salaries of the clerks had
amounted to 23,0134 a year, and that since the separa-
tion the salaries had amounted to 23,8001., which gave
but a very small increase of expense under the new ar-
rangenatent. The legal expenses had formerly amounted
to 10,0184 and amounted at present to only 9,300/.
Lord DUNCAN said it appeared that the salaries of
the solicitors.and their officers in these two departments
amounted in round numbers to 11,0001. a year, while the
solicitor to the Treasury received only 2,000/. a year.
He could not understand why the latter charge should
be so much less than the former.
Mr. WALPOLE said that the vote for the solicitor to
the Treasury did not include the salaries of clerks and
other expenses included in the vote then under their
consideration. If all those charges were added to the
Treasury vote, he believed that vote would amount to
23 000/, a year.
Lord DUNCAN said he thought that the whole
principle of paying those solicitors required revision.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said he was informed that
the arrangement for the payment of the solicitors had
been male by the Noble Lord lately at the head of
the Woods and Forests, and that it had been based on
the principle that they ought to receive an amount equi-
valent to their average receipts during a certain number
of years.
The vote was then agreed to.
20,6451. were voted for the salaries and expenses of
the
es
Commissioners of Woods, Forests, and Land
Revenu.
2,761/. were voted for the State- paper Office.
portion of the expenses of
A vote of 3,2731. having been proposed to defray a
the Ecclesiastical Commission
for England,
Mr. WILLIAMS said he should feel it his duty to take the sense of
the Committee against that vote. Ho
thought that nothing
tha could be more discreditable than
t the public should he charged with the expense of an
Oflce created for the management of the funds of our
enormously wealthy Church establishment.
Colonel SIBTHORP wished to know why it was that
a portion @nig of the expenses of the Commission were
included in that vote?
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said that that subjectbeen carefully considered in the year
1847;ait had
bad
then been thought that as the duties of the Ecclesiasti-
cal Commissioners were not wholly connected with the
Church, but embraced such questions
us bat fair that a
portion of the expense of the Commission as the tithe com-
position, which affected the land, itmi„ion should be de-
frayed out of the public funds.ha
d always objected to that
He did
Sir B. HALL said hed
last year the minority
vote, and he remembeirtehadthbeeten a large one.
ought to be called upon to bear
who had voted against,.
expenses of a Commission which
before the
had
of Church property every year. On
to manage millions
anyno t think
portion that aotf theho pub lc
that very CorroefsiSulosnrethtuerrne
rfoloua to the united incomes of the
t.Commons,
,the Secretary sor the Home
es it appe,,,r,d
had an income ofe equal
'Speaker
the Coloeiee, the Secre-
tary Foreign .Affairs, and the Commissioner of ens-
whoe was ou it another bishop who
serthrnioeunste, the .secretary tor
ttj
000af r
ore typhs
had an income equal to the united incomes of the Chief
Justice of the Queen's Bench, the Chief Baron of the
EX.'" "7..•
(I,,,urt of Cwiltron
6Lig satteta.he,..- that teeuse.
Mr. WILLIAMS said he believed the Commissioners
had no duties to discharge except duties connected with
the management of the revenues 9f the Church.

The Committee then divided, when there appeared.'
For the vote ... ••• 5:
Against it... ...
••• "• •" 4 Mejority for the vote
... ••• ••• --13
The vote was st.en agreed to.
A vote of 221,361/ having- been proposed for the et
pence of the Poor-law Cointiaitsion,
Sir H. VERNEY said he believed there must be sem;
thing radically wrong in our mode of dealing with, ti
poor. There were in England 6,000,000 of acres of Ist
wholly uncultivated, and yet we crowded able-bodied 1g
beurers in poor-heuses, or compelled them to seek ern
ployment in foreign lands. He believed that our preset
law of settlement reauired cere!ul revision.
Sir J. TROLLOpE said that the subject of the law G
ssettlementrad engeged a considerable portion of the al
tention of his Right Hon. Friend Cdr. Baines) who ue.,
preceded him in his present office, and of his own Mts.?
tion during the short period he had held that office, fti
he hoped that if the same duties shout I continua to de
volvo upon him, he should be able in the course of tns!
ensuing session to introduce a measure for regalatithti
the law of settlement, which would be satisfactory te
country and beneficial to the labouring classes.--(Seatb,
hear.) He was aware that our labourers required tt'eto
allowed a more expansive opening for their elenrteluld
than that which they at present pesteseed. -43
not, therefore, further take up, unnecessarily, the
of the Committee.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS said that ho knew of no depart'
ment which, yet r after year. increased in the name Pres
portion as the poor-law. In 18-14 the whole chair).
was 49,700/. for England and Ireland; in 1841 the
amount reached 182,2001.; last year it was 2111,"dta
and in the present year it reached 221,3601. $e did
not mean to charge the Right Honourable Crer3tiera
opposite with this increase—which. nearly witegete
er
nn
took place in Ireland—but certainly it requitWd
nation.—(Heir, hear.)
• Sir J. TROLLOPE explained that the increase ° the
r
! preeent year, as regarded Ireland, was owing to theAi
dical Charities Act, passed in the last session. Mr. BAINES should say that the increase as Tee; 01.
the. English stuff was only 600/., or 200/. per raw' ere
ditional to each of three poor-law inspectors, tillen-teg
recommended by him to such increase of salary, eee
nt—tel
in every way entitled to it.—(Hear.) He hoped, —fwee
measure that might be brought in by the Right
tenet
Baronet opposite (Sir J. Trollope), the law of
_nr:ol
chial settlement would not be overlooked, as it e%eirdel
a very great and baneful influence on the rioeie",-ela
moral character of the people. He (Mr Baines)
be happy to afford every information end assistitee'n'ing
Lord NAAS assured the Committee that it we
itr
to the Medical Charities Act of last session that t""
crease occurred in reference to Ireland,
Sir W. SOMERVILLE wished it to be untlennrele 0
that the estimate for Ireland should be looked or !or a year and e ceterter ineteed of a year.
ass the
Mr. HINDLEY hoped the Committee would P- toted
item, seeing that the Bank of of England lead re the
paynaent,of a cheque frem the poor-law board, ell
the gin and of there being no assets.—(Laughtere) nate
Atter a few words from Mr. WILLIAMS, the
was agreed to.
"la 01
The votes of 36 439/„ expenses of the :31---. 6010,
11,6681, expenses of the department of public ree
were agreed to.
On the vote of 15 190/. to defray the salaries sea er
penses of the inspectors of factories and mines,
Mr. HINDLEY called attention to the fact ate" eel
were several districts in which the factory law-
,
carried out.
Mr. WALPOLE stated that, in come hence= e- leer
ligence received, ho had given instructions totbi. they
specters to hare as much information as carried leeted, with a view to have the law fully carrieu
effect,
pea
Mr. BRIGHT hoped the Right Hon. Gentlientallowit
not given instructions to the factory inspectors tod'i;"te
the fate more rigidly than at present. He e'et'Llottt
testimony to the_ industry of some of those ifiseri .ar who left their gigs in bye places, and steal tullbete,
preached the factories to see if they could surpri ,se„,
and afterwards have them mulcted in a court of lee".dt be
had heercl of ono inspector, the son of a bishwpi tent
a race with two factory
believed, the brother of an ex-Home Secretary, wuweeet,
girl:;.—(Laughter.) --Bleiftrats'
the girls arrived first at the factory, and gave Idl--
tion that ho wag coming.—(Leughter.) n°
Y
Mr. WALPOLE said the intention of the G-eetroathing
was to see the law duly carried into effect, and s" d the
more. Ia distant localities the law was evaded,. Of the
mills were worked over time, to the detrimetnt "other
children engaged, and to the unfair competition sbeir
vv
milloners. When inspectors were "sent d oiretortes,
arrival by the train was duly notified at the 'fteotitht
and instantly the parties removed everything t ELatd teeS
heve the appearance of being contrary to law, Al?tetnof
the Slot was evaded. Now, it was to amend that ow
things that her Majesty's Ministers were anxiotes•ate
Mr. HINDLEY called attention to the clause Irn at
ing accidents, which should be altered, as at." 0,,,,,
parties were compelled by the advice of pet
I'l
attorneys to go into the superior courts. Sir J. TYRELL hoped the Hon. Member ibtree the
cheater (Mr. Bright) would study the report ut.`
subject of factory accidents.
Mr. BRIGHT said the Hon. Baronet was not fiffitete
of the nature of the report. The clause referring
ch all
accidents was a very annoying ono; am) ,ectilebe &tore.'
parties were unanimous in thinkieg should be
pith
carts were more accidents occurred in coeloopenationet
carts and waggons than arose from machine discover and he doubted not the Hon. Baronet or; in E.3seee for
much, when machinery was introduced
agricultural purposes. •
Sir J. TYRELL hoped, when ra2erthinry should be re he watched
introduced in E etex, the railways would not
taw)
in order to report the arrival of the inspect or._ (
The vote was then cgreed to. and
On the vote of 1,700/, to defray the expenses
salaries of certain officers in Scotland,
Mr. W. WILLIAMS called for some
explanation et
the 'vote. He found the Queen's
clockmaker, the Queen
plate to be run for at Edinburgh, the Queen's plate t°
be run for at the Caledonian Hunt, and the Leceenn
e.
Plate fur the Royal Scottish Archers. Now, surely she
rac,,
people of England should not be taxed for horse-
t. tiuo7
in Scotland. He also found in the next vote 1,571! lee
fifteen plates for horse-racing in Ireland, to whicht.
rhea
Scotland. ohjectiegtlreland was poorer D
though
Scotland.
Colonel SIBTHORP supported the vote. lie con'et
calved it calculated to promote the improved breed u_;
horses; and racing also contributed to the amusement o'
the people.
The vote was then agreed to.
Oa the vote of 6,4641. to defray the salaries of offiC
of the Lord Lieutenant's household in Ireland,
Mr. WILLIAMS objected. He found 275/. for te‘
hales for two gentlemen at large, and 200/ for the magi
ter of the horse. Such stuff as that should be scents,
in the case of a mere Lord Lieutenant; and was allowable
only in the case of her Majesty, who was as much (Peen
of Ireland as of England.
Mr. HAMILTON said the people of Ireland were Deli
nimous in upholding the office of Lord Lieutenant, ali
strongly opposed to any further centralization in o
management of the affairs of Ireland.--(Near.)
e
Mr. STANFORD considered horse-racing of itself as
innocent amusement; but of late the betting houses 6134
gambling hells of this metropolis—where vagabonds e'„
blacklegs of every class and kind collected—were be
4
come fearfully numerous, and required a vigilant 61,117.$ „
constant looking after.—(Hear.) He complained 0
there was no control over the cigar and other shops
in.
which a great deal of demoralization was going 91%j
that metropolis, and he thought they ought to-be placed
under the control of the police.
Sir DE LACY EVANS was disposed to sappo._rt the
observations of the Hon. Gentleman from the informee
tion that had reached him, lie hoped it would recedtv
the attention of the Government, although it could hardly
be expected that in the present state of affairs the
matter could be taken tip.
Sir W. JOLLIFFE, in the absence of the Home
cretary, could assure the lion. and Gallant Mell3-ed that his Right Hon. Friend had had his attention
to the subject, and was most anxious to devise 50123
means to remedy this evil, which had tended so rallea ,c,h,
militate against the happiness and prosperity of
working classes.
Mr. WILLIAMS said it would be impossible to id"
terfere with betting among the working-classes, unless
they put it down among the higher classes, and hoped .
the matter would meet
with attention so that these IR"'
s.
might net appear in the estimates in future years.
Afcel. some conversation the vote was agreed to. „f
The next vote was 22,563/, to defray the expenses
the Chief Secretary's office in Ireland.
all Mr. WiLLIAMS did not see the necessity for lie
these officers, and thought some reduction ought to
made.
Lord NAAS said considerable reductions had taken
place in that department within the last few years.
The vote was then agreed, as was also.
6,051/, for the office of Paymaster of Civil Servie° -
in Ireland.
32,013/ Work) ~ for the Board of Public in
sea'
service.
the vote for 32,000/, for foreign and other sem'_„s
service,
° Colonel SH3THORP said he bad always objected
this grant, as no explanation was given of the manner
tu
which it was expended. He always had, and always
would protest against such humbug of the public. d
Mr. MACGREGOR said, some of the money bed
passed through hie hands, and he denied that it was 102.
properly disposed of. It was employed in obtaining in'
formation most important to the commerce and naviga-
tion
of the country, which could not otherwise be ob-
tained. Ha had obtained that information at the lowest
possible rate.—(Laughter.) If the Committee called
.tu _
mind that a million and a half was formerly expendedg
France,, and that the Governments of Austria, Press
and even the United States sent large sums ter secretservice, he did not think the sum of 32,0001. was too
large for the British Government.
•
Sir. G. PECHELL contended that the public wag
entitled to some explanation as to the disposal of this
motley; they must otherwise look with suspicion upon
this vote.
Tho CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
would be strange if the Government should be oalled
upon to declare what was in its very name and character
secret. If the information was to be
given iresold"
it
u would be
no longer secret, and unless the Housect
aome to
for secret tion that there should be no
longer
ser-
vice and that the Government tou,eai tell the publict what
va
tee noy.ey was appropriated fur, the :elvesion of the
lion. Baronet could not be edopted. He agreed in much
the Hon ill-ember for Gies-
of what had been stated by
gow. No one could deny that &te!tte first-rate powers of
te,
•vple or quintuple the amount vo
Europa expended qt.a •de
by this cJuntry. The vote wa
the 0s now 32,0001. Some Bent
Members might recollect,
time when they were bi_.ge 13
qllO3 for the foreign
to vote a considerably ltrger
1,,6
fcr
prop
whole of the secret service, and a great
of it was for services rendered many years ago, 1
_uF., ;re;
pensions to widow? and relatives of persons ffhl, in