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—aim, hear.) He certainly did not expect to receive
"Y opposition from the Government, because he recol-
lected the language used last session ou the siobjectby
the Earl of Derby, then Lord Stanley.
HUME—He was not in office then.--(Lanihter.)
.Idr. SPOONER—Lord Stanley said that " be did not
"a ate to say that they ought now to consider fully,
deliberately, dispassionately, and temperately, but at the
tii.ule time firmly, the whole of the difficult question of
the relations in which the Roman Catholic subjects of
this country stood to the Crown." Now he (Mr.
B.sPlanner) meant to ask only for inquiry, groUnded upon
the fact that the relations of 'R omen Catholice in this
!iuntrs,to the Crown stood in a different position now
arm what they did a short" time ago. Though gene-
-1.1117 he had been a supporter of the policy of the late
Air Hobert Peel he had nevertheless opposed' his pro-
Poaal for endowing Maynooth. He had, therefore, no-
euinft to retract in asking that that endowment should
re% Eventhose who bad voted the other way Could
are no difficulty now with respect to the queition, for
-the, aggression of last year, must have convinced them
that the conduct of the Heinen Catholic priesthood had
become completely changed.—(llear, henr.) If, there-
fore, any understanding or agreementnxisted—which
he denied—that the grant'shOuld continue, it could only
have been on the principle that it was; to be received as
a mutt of kindness towards the Roman Catholics, for
Which in return the Were id expect that the objects fOr
which Maynooth was founded would be carried out.
What were the original' grounds for which.` Maynooth
was founded?
Mr. ANSTEY rose to order. - He thought the Hon.
. Member was out of order in ineideritelly discussing the
Frain to Maynooth on the motion that the House do ad-
Purse
The SPEAKER said he had not understood that the
naa. Member was about to make any motion on the
iritt°jeat. Any Member had a right to address the House
,I
n the queatipn of adjournment.
Mr. SOONER remarked that the adjournment was
, Often moved by Hon. Members for the sake of address
. log the House, and by no one had such .a motion been
oftener made thanl by the Hon. Member for Yougbal.
• The original object for endowing Maynooth was stated
to be with the view of providing 'ministers of religion
better instructed and with more kindly feelings towards
the State. He wished to know if that object had been
earried out? Had they any reason for believing that
Maynooth had provided a more national priesthood, or
.
one with views less hostile to the Established Church.
whatever understanding, therefore, had been
a 4412 e -to on such grounds was conapletely, an-
aimed by the subsequent- conduct of the Ro-
tten eatholice. He might refer to the opinion of the
te.Sir R. Peel in favour of inquiry. On the 23d June,
g_4°, Sir R. Peel said that " be could not agree that.
fl Ilse 'littera of education pursued at Maynooth was a
.Fiatter of indifference to the Legislature—that it was a
!gitimate subject of consideration for Parliamentand
Asst it would bean abandonment of duty were the House
;111. Commons to say to the Roman Catholics, Here is
manes—do with it what you please—inculcate doe-
toes subversive of order and injuriinia to morality—we
met interfere.' "—Hear, hear.) Now he was preparedl
"gintain that the system of education at Maynooth
was contrary to order, and at the same time injurious to
ta°r4l4.—(oh, oh.) He should not now discuss that
art,F as a better opportunity would occur.—(Hear.) As
e had stated, he did not expect the Government to op-
pose the motion when brought forward. Still less did he
c,,l)e,ect,it would meet with opposition from the Roman
of Catholic gentry themselves. Knowing the high character
ettmany Roman Catholics, andliving in intercourse with
21:1Y respectable Roman Catholic families in his
wn county, he felt certain they were ignorant of the
es contained and of the principles load-
_catecl in the books used in the College of May-
lilr, tll.—(Flear, hear.) Since he had given notice of
intention to bring the subject before the House it had
hese la his duty—a painful one he confessed—to inquire
intothe system of education pursued at Maynooth; and
o" had no hesitation in saying that it not only did not
that hat Sir Robert Peel said it was intended to do, but
relit it was subversive to order and injurious to mo-
lt '.'7.(1.1ear.) He went further, and maintained that
hinculeated doctrines completely antagonistic to the
1;137 word of God.—(Cries of "0 h," and " Question.")
'"` Pieced the Church above—(Question). That was the
teati°ll.—(Laughter, and cries of " Adjourement.")
uft cry of question he could only attribute to a feeling
(t flinched from an assertion that could not be contra-
ti:„t".---(0h.) 'He did assert that the system of edUca-
at MaYnooth did inculcate doctrines completely; an-
lerntstic to the holy word of God.—(Cries of " Oh.")
It' Would prove it.—(Laughter, and cries of " No, no.")
I,tracyd the Church above the word of God. It put the
tritetst in the place of God.—(Oh.) It inculcated, doe-
In 8 of a nature so horrible that the nation Which
seo-trirrted the system under which' they were taught
(1 not escape being guilty of a national sin, which
Please certainly draw down upon it the Divine dis-
deSti/11.'"--(0h, and question.) fie know he should be
had said;
by some, and ridiculed by others, for what he
ached,
but be cared not. He was determined not to
serte,' and was prepared to prove every word he bad as-
tied!"' He had no reason to be ashamed of Him who
.arcd that of all who where so ashamed He should
tiomithemed of them. He should bring the whole qiies-
teont.Levrard on an early day after Easter. The first
teir,ton he had given was general. The second was dis-
hutßoth stood on the paper, but the notice he in-
eel to proceed with was for a Committee to inquire
Hoz) the system of education at Maynooth. If the mo-
n were acceded to he pledged himself to prove that
~nasertions he had made were founded on facts.
ktelr. ANSTEY said that shoo the Hen. Member coin-
th ni,ced his long discourse—(A laugh)—he thought that
elleo. Member was about to oppose the motion for
litii(?iirrienenr, and to move that the House should sit
Dring the next fortnight, and inquire into the works of
ena.boo.,. Delahogne, Liguori, and others, taught at May-
kot`inon. The lion. Member had, however, postponed his
imM r. SPOONER said he had distinctly stated that he
blred to bring it forward after Easter.
40t t, ANSTEY remarked that the Hon. Member had
too:Pied any day. The motion of the lion. Member
athpilted of two parts—one for au inquiry into the
bet e of educatiou, and another for leave to bring in
° repel the Maynooth grant.
tbI'SrOONER denied that it was so.
toe ANSTEY was under the impression that the
Zciee of motion was for the repeal of the Maynooth
ttuen°2lnient Act. If that were so, and if the
hoe -1.4h1e Member brought forward such a mo-
to ete."6 now gave notice that he would ask' leave
%mei. a Bill for the repeal of every Act by which
by itthwente for religious purposes' had been created.
heir ,e Legislature out of public resources.--(llear,
ineeZ., The time, he thought, had arrived for such a
084te: Ile believed if the Hon. Member was not at
f.,j11 Office,• it was not because be had not been of-
'hoop 30, but because he had refused Spooner
his head.) It had been decided that the HOD.
*gtvieur Wis in order in the remarks he had made, but.
rettli,r" questioned the taste of the Hon. Member in
e„ng them
lic-414„9114.T.TAN said a few words" deprecatory of con-'
ft* itt1:110 discussion, and advised the Hon. Member,
set 't -.B"Oit, if he got into a vane!, not to try and
_
Visughter.)
serer' F'WDEGA.TE 'said that his Hon. Colleague had
thin „en,ti offered office, and the motion of which he had
oo "(lime was his own. Government hed nothing to
with .t.
.kr
the,r'T uORNE had that reliance on the consistency
nm. 'nn. Member for North Warwiekshire as to feel
aft, thin that, on whichever side of the House be might
Rder° ',mild be nothing intolerant which he would
aliouiriv,_(lnate. Without adverting to Maynooth, he
hat to know why the Secretary for the Treasury
(Lettek't the House on Maynooth being mentioned?—
aukuter.) That Hon. Gentleman had given notice of
Too for a modification of tbo , national system of
oisia)?..iiricl)rße.lohe.oneudiai.4 If he should bring it forward, he
move an amendment to it.
disoussion rested withthsaid the responsibility of the
gave the lion. Member for
who had introduced it. He
credit of acting in a straiggfol!torth Warwickshire the
tieinderstood the Hon. Member way on all subjects.
bring,3._ the question .of MitynooiF before
determined tC,
If the the House.—
wereiacie
looked
appoint
nhte-
,...``Le._Vi hear, from Mr. Spooner.
made by the Goveruteht:
I—„(night the Hon. Member need
—toned in his motion by Government .—Taree.:c being
te.t...E WART thought the Hon. Member
ought
d ballot at once for his
pia" on the p to
Flee,: 'notion for the adjournment of the aPer:
Souse till.
the"‘lh.
1, the 12th of March, was then agreed to.
NOTICES .OF MOTION.
r' G. THOMPSON gave notice for.
Board Asa motion relating to the supply of coils to the
m•
inid7rr: FLEYNoLDS gave notice Drate same da offer an,
from-28 to the CroWn for compeon to the ers
hi the failure
of the; a
C ffe-street Savings Bank.
ketmopOSßoieeN
E gave notice with referenced to the
114 lof the Hen. Member for the University
of Dahr
If fora modification of the national system of educae
feree h
''lll
that e should move an amendment that any inter-
the °° by the clergy of the Established ,Churchri.th
peddnational system of education in Ireland would be
interests
of religious dirord, and injurious to the ePt"
of the people.
4041 11,,,,U4E. gave notice: hat on the 12th of March he
tonti.4-4-aer? for an inquiry into. the
.causes of the long-
kr se" eieeentent in the lonian Istands.
ti f: LiORROUSE, on behalf of Mr. Blaney, gave
Zee 18th of March of a motion "for leave to bring
to legalise industrial partnerships. ,
kr FREE TRADE—PROTECTION:
th.o %
LEILS gave notice that on an early day after
te selection of Ministerial' btlembers ho should b
It
to ril ainio.lution declaratory of the intention of the House
%tee._ 'ltem the policy of free trade, and to resist any
'Pt to re-impose s duty On' foreign corn.--(Cheers.)
NAVVY ESTIMATES.
th t,. • MACKENZIE gave notice, that on Friday,
la Otnm of
'awe March, the
yNavy Estimates would be taken
of Suppl
REFORM.
(1001(1 BU
2"-i gave notice, that on as early a day as
_ho
l'arre ° would bring on the motion otien for
lestelnineiltary -reform' which he hid introduced last

1111 t
c'YN MINISTERS' MONEY.
1.• OLDS gave notice that on the 16th of
114tci %h 5 s übjecut' wouldt
of ministers' move for a Semoneylect Committee
in Ireland. to inquire
`ev'Tn.,. EDUCATION.
il'' 4—'4l- Postponed his motion relative to education
Then early day after the adjournment. _
Alt SPEAKER then called on the dropped orders,.
toil* i,sch_TEY gave notice that, on the motion for
oleud4°A Committee of Supy he would move as an
ttuol that a Commission bee ppointed to take evi-
44,,tzlicitu res
ts pect to the Government of India by the
14wrd sitcl the own umber of the other