The Sun.
London, England, 1863-07-17 00:00:00

ESTIMATES.

Mr. MARSH gave notice that he should, on an early
day next ses-ion, move a resolution that, in the r pmio% of
ti,at house, the civil service and miscellan.fous estimates
had b,:en increasing, were increasing, and ottiht to be re.
duced.

STAFF-SURGEON D. W. EATON.
Mr. CONINGIIAIVI asked the Under-Secretary of State
for War why Staff-Surgeon Deodatus Wm. Eaton was e is
missed while on sick leave, after 18 years' service, 10 of
which were in the Exit and West Indies, without any pre-
vi ins warning. with no charge assigned, nor with any op-
portunity of explanation before either a court of inquiry or
a court-mar ial been granted, and why had the applications
for it made by Mr. Eaton been ignored.
The Marquis of HARTINGTON said it appeared that
Mr. Eaton was insolvent in 1859 and bankrupt in 1862. It
was the usual course, though not the invariable practice,
when an officer had become bankrupt, and thereby avoided
his pecuniary obligations, to consider such a person unfit to
hold the Queen's comm'ssion, and he was generally re-
moved. in this case the circumstances that came out be-
fore the court were brought in the usual manner to the atten-
tion of the Secretary of State for War, the late Sir G. C
Lewis, who, after examining all the facts of the ease, saw
ne reason for deputing from the usual course. A court-
outti,l wirthen consicierea unnecessary, as all the facts

were estabtisr:e in the Bankruptcy Court. Etzl de Grey
had been applied to, but he saw no reason why Sir G. C.
Lewis's order should be revised.
COUta-MARTIAL ON CORPORAL AKE.

Mr. CONING HAM asked the noble lord i e would lay
on the table of toe house the proceeding the court-
martial on Corporal Blake.
The Marquis of HARUNGTON said VI, pipers at pre-

sent were not in England. It was unusual to present the
proceedings of regim. ntal courts-martial in India to Parlia•
ment. If the finding of the court was correct, it would have
a material bearing on Colonel Crawley's case Inquiries
bad been sent to India to ascertain the taets, and for such
wirnesses as could give evidence on Colonel Crawley's trial
in this country to be sent home.
FACTORY CHILI)REN AND STEAM-BOILERS.
Mr. FER -AND asked the Secretary of State for the
Home Department whether he intended to introduce any
legislative measure to place children employed in potteries
and paper-tube factories under the protection of the Factory
Act ; also, whe her his attention had been drawn to the
grea, destruction of human life for many years by the con-
stant bursting of steam boilers, especially by one near
Leeds a few days ago, where ten people were killed ; and it
so, whether he did not think that steam .boilers ought to be
placed under Government inspection.
Mr. BRUCE (in the absence of Sir G. Grey) said it was
not the intention of his right hon. friend Sir G. Grey to
introduce any legislative measure with reference to those
children. The evidence and the report of the cotemi,:sion
had been so recently published, thar sufficient time had
not been afforded for their consideration. They would
be, however, considered during the recess, and then the
right hon. gentleman would determine whether or not he
would introduce a measure founded upon the recommen-
dations contained in the report. With respect to the
lursting of boilers, no doubt every year a considerable sacri-
fice of life took place from it; but the hon. gentleman could
hardly have considered, when he proposed to place them
under Government inspection, what he was asking the Go-
vernment to do. Steam-boilers were scattered all over the
c. entry, end they consisted of those used in manutactures,
for locomotive, and also agricultural purposes. Inspection
by Government was, to a considerable extent, a substitution
of Government responsibility for private responsibility; and
unless they were enabled to make a real and complete inspec
tion, it was better not to attempt i 4
Colonel W. PATTEN asked if the hon. gentleman's ob-
, servatiens applied to the whole or part of the commissioners'
report. He alluded to that part of the report which was
more particularly interesting to Lancashire.

Mr. BRUCE said his friend referred to the whole of
the report.

THE TYRONE ARTILLERY MILITIA.
Mr. GETTY, in ihe absence of Major S. Knox, asked
the Chief Sec eary for Ireland why toe Tyrone Artillery
Militia w. s not allowed a practice pound, the shores of
Lough Neagh being within reach, and suited to such a
purpose; and why this regiment was not supplied with
light field guns.

Sir R. PEEL said the point was submitted to the War
Department, but they declined to allow a pray ice .ground on
account of the expense, The forts in the county of TyreLe
were being demolished, and from its inland position it was
considered unnecessary to continue the Tyrone Artillery
Militia. As to the supply of light field guns, it was now
limited to Armstrongs; and as nobody in the Tyrone Ar-
tillery Militia understood the working of them—(laughter)
—it was thought unnecessary to supply them.

THE CASE OF THE 1 OUNTESS DELLA. SETA

v. LORD VERNON.

Mr. HARVEY LEWIS asked whether the attention
of the Lord Chancellor had been called to the case of the
Countess Della S to v. Lord Vernon, heard before Vice-
Chancellor Sir J. Stuart, and to the language and demea-
nour of the Vice-Chancellor to the counsel and others con-
cerned in the case; and if so, whether his lordship intended
to take any steps to prevent a repetition of similar proceed-
ings.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL—In the absence of my
learned friend (the Attorney-General) I have to answer the
question, and perhaps the house will pardon me if I make a
short statement of the circumstances of the case to which
the question refers, and I hope the house will be satisfiea
with the statement I am t.bout to make. The case came on
in the ordinary way before Vice-Chancellor Stuart; but,
before the nature of the case was explained to the court, it
was stated to his honour by one of the learned counsel em-
ployed in the case that some young ladies, infants and wards
of the court, were parties to the suit, and were not only very
materially interested in a pecuniary point of view, but that
their reputation would also be seriously affected by a discus-
sion in open court. It is the invariable practice of the Court
of Chancery to take all possible precautions fee the protec-
tion of infants under its care—and it is right it should do so
with or without the consent of theparties, and the practice
has been indisputably established by the highest authorities.
Here it was not necessary that that rightshould be exercised
on the mere authority of the Vice .Chancellor, because, al-
though one party did object in one instance, and pressed his
objection, the learned counsel, with that good judgment and
feeling which I trust ordinarily distinguishes the counsel
practising in all our courts, eventually waivea his opposi-
tion upon the representations made to him. The Vice-Chan-
cellor, therefore, in taking that eourse, acted in accordance
with the usual practice, and 1 am authorised by the Lord
Chancellor to say that the course which was taken meets
hie thorough approval, as in all respects worthy of the duty
of the judge and tne character of the individual who eau,
cised that duty. The hon. member's question further refers
to some other metters which subsequently occurred. The
course then taken by the Vice-Chancellor in the discharge
of his duty was very greatly misund, rst,ood—(hear)—by
some persons concerned or not concerted in the cause—
Mr. MA.LINS--Not concerned. (Hear, hear.)
' The SOLICITOR GENERAL—My hon. friend, who
knows the circumstances, assures me that they wets not
concerned in the cause; but, at all events, by some persons
out of doors, who obtained information on the subject. The
result was that there appeared in scree of the public jour-
nals a representation of the circumstances, involving the
gravest. imputation that could possibly be laid to the charge
of a.judge, namely, that out of respect to the position of a
nobiemin be had departed from the ordinary and proper
course in a court of law, and had, contrary to his duty, and
tor the reason there stated, determined to hear the cause in
privete, in order to shield an influential, powerful, and noble
person from the possible exposure of circumstances which
he desired to have concealed. Of course the house will
understand that if any judge had been capable of acting
he would have been unwrthy of the position which he held.
(Hear.). Now that charge is utterly ground!, ss and most
calumnious—(cheers)—and muse out of an entire misappre-
hension of the circumstances. That imputation could not
but affect the mind of a man of high honour taich as Vice-
Chancellor Stuart. (Hear.) It was quite open and com-
petent for him, if he had thought fit, to deal with it is a
grave contempt of court, and have brought the parties be.
fore him. His honour, however, did not think fit to do so,
and if in publicly adverting to those circumstances he may
have been betrayed into some warmth of language, if the
indignation, which must have been excited in the mind of
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CUPOLA SHIPS.
Sir J. HAY asked the Secretary to the Admiralty if it
was true that it was the intention of the Board of Admi-
ralty to try the cupola ships Royal Sovereign and Prince
Albert without any masts at sea, or whether the tripod
masts proposed by Captain Coles were to be adopted ?
Lord C. PAGET replied that it was n-t the intention of
the Admiralty to fit those vessels with masts. They were
intended for harbour defences; but if sent to sea, tempo.
BUDGET.
rary masts mightTH beE INDIAN fitteDdliAnNthem.

In answer to Mr. BAZLEY,
Sir C. WOOD intimated that he should make his financial
statement on Thursday next.
LANCASTER'S RIFLING OF FIELD ARTILLERY.
Mr. H. LEWIS (for Mr, Bernal Osborne) asked the
Under-Secretary of State for War if any steps were about to
be taken for the application of Mr. Lancaster's system of
smooth oval-bore rifling to field artillery ; and if the corre-
spondence and papers relating to it would be 1 tid before
Parliament. Ala), when the report of the Ordaance Select
Committee would be presented ; and if it was proposed to
remunerate the gentlemen whose services were commended
by the late secretary of State for War in reference to the
subject.
'1 he Marquis of HARTINGTON replied that it was not
the intention of the Government to take any steps towards
the application of Mr. Lancaster's system to the rifling of
field artillery; and that the correspondence was so mixed
up with other matters that it would Pe almost impossible to
separate them. With regard to the other question, the re-
port of the committee had been laid upon the table; but
inasmuch as none of the ystems tried had been introduced
into the service, it was not intended to remunerate the gen-
tlemen referred to.

PUBLIC SCHOOLS COMMISSION.
In reply to Mr. G. Dim",
Mr. BRUCE said that the report of the Public Schools
Commission Would probably be reivy next session.
THE CASE OF CAPTAIN MELVILLE WHITE.
In answer to Mr. HENNESSY,
Mr. LAYARD stated that the case of Captain Melville
White had been submitted for arbitration to the Senate of
Hamburge
office. , but he did not know whether they would accept
th
CO SIMERCIAL RESTRICTIONS AT NEW YORK.
Mr. S. FI I ZGERALD gave notice that either on the
report on supply, or on going into committee of Ways and
means, he should ask the noble lord at the head of the Go-
vernment whether he was aware that, notwilhatanding the
remonstrance of her Majesty's Government, the American
Government still required bonds to be given by exporters of
goods from Now York that no portion of them should reach
the hands of persons in the Confederate States; and. if 80,
what course her Majesty's Government intended to take in
the matter.

THE MARGARET AND JESSIE.

In reply to Mr. S. FITZGERALD,

Mr. LAYARD stated that no further information had
been received with regard to the case of the Margaret and

Jessie.

IRISH RECORDS.
On the motion of going into committee of supply,
Mr. MONSELL called attention to the unsatisfactory

manner in which the Irish records were being coil( cted and
translated, and moved for a return of the moneys voted for
the purpose in the three countries.
Colonel DUNNE supported the motion.
Mr. F. PEEL defended the appointment of the calen-
_ _ _

derer, Mr. Mon in, who was selected upon the recommen-
dation of the Master of the Rolls—but he ',greed with his
hon and pliant friend opposite (Col. Dunne) that Mr.
Morrin bad made a mistake in forgetting the maxim," Nr
sutor ultra crepidam," and that it was certain comments
which he bad introduced in the preface and notes to his
cal, ndar that had caused all his trouble. He could, how-
ever, inform his right hon. friend teat a more suitable re-
cord office was about to be constructed in Dublin, and that
the publication of Irish records upon a more extended plan
was dependent upon► all the records being brought unde,

one root.
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MONSELL withdrew his motion.
BRAZIL.
Mr. S. FITZGERALD, in calling attention to the pre-
sent relations of this country with Brazil, and especially to
the recent rupture of diplomatic intercourse with that Go
vernment, expressed his regret that the state of public busi
ness should have compelled him to deter the mot:on so long.
He was very sensible, looking to the state of the benches aria
the period of the session, that he was acting rather in oppo-
sition to the wishes ot the house in bringing forward the
question; but considering the important interests that were
involved in the matter, he could not reconcile it with his
duty to let the session pass without entering his protest
against the position occupied by her Majesty's Government
in their late transactions with Brazil, and calling attention
to the probable consequences that might follow from it
Some weeks had elaps. d since the Brazilian Minister at this
Court had asked for his passports and surpended all diplo-
matic intercourse with this country. This in itself was an
important event. It was the protest of a weak 1 ower against
the conduct of a great and powerful State; it was the pto-
test of a country that was well aware that in material ie-
sources and in military and naval strength it was not in a
position to measure strength with the Power with which it
had a controversy, and it was a formal and open st ep iu the
face of the world against the conduct ot a country which
had acted in the spirit ..f oppression towards it. Brazil had
adopted a course of policy which had won the respect of the
other nations of the world. She had paid this country the
compliment of having model!. d her institutions atter the
English rn,del; and she had gained the confidence of the
commercial world so much. that Englishmerchants directed
their at tendon to trade wthßrazil as one of great importance.
One of the consequences arising out of the policy of her Ma-
je,ty'sGo vernment towards th..t countrywould be to bring into
power the party who were advene to English interests. He
would dismiss from consideration all that had been said in
former &bates about the contradictory statements about the
wreck and plunder of the Prince of Wales, and would con-
fine himself to the course taken by her Majesty's Govern-
ment, and the proceedings of Mr. Christie. In the first
place, he w'shed to call the attention ot the house to the fact

hat it was the representative of this country at the Paris
Conferences wbo proposed that, when a dispute arose be-
tween two Powers, recourse should be had to the arbitration
of a third and impartial Power before resorting to arms.
That was the proposal of the British Government at the
Paris Conferences, and yet, with strange inconsistency, this
country was the first to depart from it in the ease of Brazil;
and the Under- Secretary for Foreign Affairs had in a former
debate justified this departure on the grout d that this coun-
try, being the party offended, could not propose arbitration.
and that the offer should come from the Brazilian Govern-
ment. He would now come to the instructions forwarded
by Lord Russell to Mr. Christie with reference to arbitra-
tion, On the Bth October Lord Russell sent a despatch to
Mr. Christie, instructing him to demand a sum of £5,500
for the goods destroyed, and £1,025 for freight. Bat ul'i
comely the noble lord, having some misgivings arising from
what had taken place at the Paris Conferences, s'-nt a
second despatch on the 4th of November, in which he in.
strutted Mr. Christie that, if arbitration was proposed by
the Brazilian Government, he .vas to accept it. But al-
tt ough Mr. Christie was in possession of ahe two despatches
—the second clearly superseding the first—yet, notwith-
standing this fact, he addressed a demand to the Brazilian
Government based almost in the identical words of Lord
Russell's first despatch. (Hear.) The Brazilian Govern-
ment declining to propose arbitration upon those terms, Mr
Christie at length took the extreme course of instructing the
English Admiral to have recourse to reprisals; and it was
on the morning after the ships had been sent to make re-
prisals, and when the reprisals had actually been made,
that Mr. Christie informed the Brazilian Government that
would be necessary for him to take forcible measures for
obtaining reparation. They had this fact before them
that, although Mr. Christie was in possession of instruc-
tions which would enable him to get ont of the complica-
tions, still, so desirous was he of " reading a lesson to the
Brazilian Government," to use his own words, that he had
recourse to forcible measures. He thought it was a grave
charge against the Government that, instead of censuring
our representative at Brazil for keeping back his despatch,
and thereby reading a lesson, as he said, to the Brazilians,
they had supported him in all he had done. The only
attempt at excuse on the part of Mr. Christie was that it
had been necessary to keep secret his arrangements with
the British Admiral, and how had he kept them secret 1'
Why that the Brazilian Minister knew nothing of what had
been intended until the British ships of war had actually
been engaged in making reprisals end insulting the flag of
the Brazilian Government. His next point was with n gard
to the compensation for the the Prince of Wales, and there
he wished to observe that he meant to say nothing against
the Queen's Advocate (whose acquaintance he had the
honour to possess), because he believed that the document
that had been produced in his name could not have emanated
from him, the rule being that the law officers of the Crown
should never make public the opinions they were asked to
give. He should like, however, to know what facts and
documents had been placed before that learned gentleman
when asked tor his opinion. He held in his hand the mani-
fest at the vessel in question, and he found that the claim
stated by her Majesty's Government on behalf of Mr.
Stevens at £5,500, came down to £3,0u0. Of that value
he (Mr. Fitzgerald) had had the opinion of an eminent
tuercha t in the Brazilian trade, that only about £BOO
worth could ever have been got on shore. (Hear.) But
the most extraordinary claim that was probably ever
put forward, not only by the British Government
bat by any reasonable beings under the sun, was
a charge of £5lO for "possible murders." (Hear, hear.)
I here had been no proot whatever that anybody had been
murdered at all, and it was just as possible that there had
been no murders; but, supposing there had, how had that
particwar amount of damages been assessed ? The most
curitus part of the business, however, and that, which, if it
were not a very serious matter, would be positively ridicu-
lous, was the mode of distributing the money claimed should
it have been paid. It might have been supposed that it
should go to the relatives of the murdered men, but they
were not known, nor was it known that any men had been
murdered Strangely enough, the whole of the money -vas
proposed to be divided amongst those who had suffered by
the wreck. Hear) Unless something was done to smooth
down the oifficulties, he feared that the distress in the north
would be greatly aggravated by the crippling of our com-
merce with Brazil ; and therefore he was aexious for her
Majesty's Government to take some course that would lead
to the renewal of friencly relations with that country. He
suggested that the same conciliatory conduct should be putt
sued towards Brazil that had been adopted tuwarus Para-
guay; but he was afraid the secret of the matter was that
her Majesty's Government could afford to bully at It io,
when it was too expensive to do so at Paraguay. Were,
however, her Majesty's Government to change that spirit
of hostility that had for years past actuated their conduct
towards Brazil, it would be more becoming, more advanta-
geous, and, he ventured to think, more honourable to the
character of the country. He charged the noble lord at the
head of the Government with being more responsible then
any other person for that spirit of hostility towards Brazil.
The Aberdeen Act was a great mistahe, and ought to be
repealed. And Lord Aberdeen, before his death, regretted
that he had ever consented to its passing, and hail expresso d
a hope that it would be repealed, But what was the noble
P rA.
I LTMzEGTLE
lord's position with regard to that Act with Brazil ? Depu-
tation after dei.utation had waited upon the noble lord with
SRTA
.OLND—s Na od
reference to it.
Lord
Mr. S. he had been informed so by
a gentleman who had waited upon the noble lord.
Lord PA.LMERSTON—When ?
Mr. S. FITZGERALD said he was unable to state when.
He would make in • quop•
es, and if wrong he would give the
noble lord the advantage of it. He h c urged the Govern-
ment with acting in a more hostile spirit towards Brazil
than they had towards Spain for g "
obliga-
tions with regard to the slave trade. Spain hadtlng treaty
morn y on the distinct stipulation that ithlhould received
at
the slave trade. The hon. gentleman charged Earlp Russell
down
with having written to Brazil within a
week after the
forcement of reprisals, one of the bitterest despatches, with-
reference to liberating negroes in the Brazils. which his
lordship, with his very bitter pen, had ever written. In
+act, that despatch was very much in the spirit of two old
women quarrelling- the one having the last word, raking
up all she could collect for years past, and throwing the
most bitter scandal she could find against her opponent.
rnment had the means of making ad-
Her Majesty's Gove
razz inn government, and he had
vances towards the B -g
reason to believe they would be favourably received ; and
if they repealed the Aberdeen act nothing would give more
satisfaction to the Brazilian people. He hoped her Ma-
jesty's Government would not proceed as they had done,
'anctioning conduct that was adverse and contrary to what
they had riven, and enforcing demands wt ich were in them-
selves ridiculous and absurd, but do their best to renew
tuose relations with Brazil which had existed for so many
years to the honour of toe country. He moved formally for
copy of the manifest of the barque Prince of Wales.
Mr. LAYARD said he did not clearly understand what
object his hon, friend had in view in bringing the subject
of. Brazil again before the house. The question had been
d lammed - and amply ventilated in the house and in
another place on many occasions. They had heard from
the hon
gentleman very great words. He had talked about
ttollethdeovse G and dishonour of the country, and had applied
Government every
term of reproach; but he •
Layard) should confess-
• . . _that when he saw a question in;