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course, that if any feeling of dissatisfaction he l already slims paid for amhate;ed..)re' chaplains, how it was that
been created, it should he ap edily removed.—(Hear.) sortie emhatsiee enjoyed the presence of a chaplain and
Lord MONTeI AGLE ditThred from the Noble Ea:i others did not? What .was the principle of the selection?
who -had just .at down, in thinking that the coinenuni- He should more to reduce the vote by 1,0001., the sum
cation which had passed between the Government and alio red for the expenses of, chaplains. .
the gentlemen deputed from the colony were of the Lord STANLEY expleined that chaplains were 'Only ,
greatest importance, for there had been many ceses in attached to' those embassies where there was not a out.-
which a trumpery case of supposed neglect had created ficient number of British residents to pay for.a.chaplain
a feeling on the part of our colonies that had rendered of their own.
subsequent negotiation with them exceedingly difficult. Mr. W. WILLIAMS objected to the vote as being
—(Hear, hoar.) He (Lord Munteagle) thought the too large.
explanation of the Noble Earl perfectly satisfactory ; Mr. ANSTEY did not think the explanation of the
but if unreasonable conduct on the part of delegates Noble Lord satisfactory, because he found the facts did
was a sufficient ground for rejecting their proposals, he not at all coincide with his statements. He should not,
should not, its the Noble Earl had done, have rejected however, divide the Committee.
them on the merits.—(Hear, hear.) The very fact that After some further conversation, ,
the Noble Earl had no surveys before him, while it was Lord DUDLEY STUART said that, re it eeeme4 .
,
a good reason for not acceding to the proposition of the that the experocl,i of the Tutee's mission were included,
deputation, was the very reason why he should not at in this vote, he wished to call the attention of the Go-
once have decided against it. The colonists were vernment to a letter which ho had just received from
sufficiently sensible of the disadventoe'es of the a gentleman at Fl
etrence, well known, 'and.
proximity of their line to the United States, but of great experience. In that letter great
they felt that it was only a question of de- complaint was made of the manner in which the
wee ; fer if they had taken Major Robinson'a line, Brioth mission W 33 conducted there. The mission had
it would have been open to the very same objection. no office in the town, and any one desiring to see Mr. •
But the fact had been entirely overlooked, that this was Sesrlett was obliged-to go °wet° his country house, to do
not a mere question between Major Robinson's line and which he, had tt take a vehicle and lose half a day.
the line of the coloniete, but the rejtcion of their pro., Lord STANLEY said that he was not able tp give
position made it certain that at no great length of time any explanation at present, but the matter should be
a line would he opened over American grouud.—(Hear, inquired into. He quite agreed that it was of the utmost
hear.) It had been nothing less than a miracle that the importance that British subjects abroad should have
three colonies should have been brought to concur in a easy and speedy access,. to the presence of the repreeen-
matter of such great importance not only to themselves tatives of their country whenever they might have any
but to us, and he deeply regretted that the opportunity occasion for their service.
should have been lostee--(Hear, hear.) Sir B. HALL wished to mention that he himself bed
The Earl of DESART defended the course taken by experienced a difficulty of this sort at Turing on an Oct
the Government, and drew their Lordships' attention to cation when he had required some alteration to bo made
the significant fact that a meeting which had taken place in his passport.
in favour of the St. John's line in 1850 had been held at Toe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER, said
Portland, in the state of Maine. They might therefore that a circular had lately. been addressed by.the Fureigu"
well suspect that those who advocated that railway were office to British missions abroad, which, be thought,
interested in a line connected with the United States. would entirely prevent any inconvenience being expe".
The Government had taken then the best course, not in rienced by British travellers irons delay in this particular.
contradicting the wishes of the colonists, but in declining He might also mention that a most distinguished memo
to assist, in the manner requested, a line as much, or her of our diplomacy had just been appointed to the
more, calculated to serve the influence of the United mission at Florence.
States as of the colony itself. He believed that if the The vote was then agreed to. •
Government had applied to the House of. Commons for Votes of 3.219/.. Too!cne:e an i Corsican Etnigrantit,
its consent to the plan, it would never have sanctioned &c.; 2,0001., Vaccine Est.blishment; 325/, Refuge for
the request.—(Hear, hear.) the Destitute, were then agreed•to.
Earl POWIS supported the colonists. They had not On the vote of 135,359/. for superannuation alloy'•
asked for the least assistance beyond the guarantee of ances,
the mother country, and who could expect them to Lord DUNCAN wished to call the attention of the
choose any but the best commercial line? He considered Government to the fact that in many instances retiring
that the advantage of five or ten years of peace with allowances were given to persons who were just in the
their railway would fully counterbalance any possible prime of life and perfectly competent to transact the
disadvantages that would arise from its proximity to the business of their dices.
American frontier. When they refitcted upon the Sir B. HALL acid that in cases of this sort he was
hundreds of miles of railway which were being opened informed that the places were filled up by the relatives
every year through the United States, he was afraid that of the retiring clerk. f •
the refusal of this country to entertain the proposal of Mr. HAMILTON pointed out the fact that tnanY,e
the colony would be a great blow to those who a few the superannuation allowances were for offices Whit)"e •
years ago had refused, solely from imperial motives, the. had been abolished. lie agreed that the time of service
solicitations of persons in the United States to support might be lengthened, and he would promise that by ne2
their lines.—(Hear, hear.) year, if he. held office so long, the whole system should
The papers were then ordered, be looked into. • -
SURRENDER OF CRIMINALS (FRANCE CON- Lord Ei3RINGTON thought that in cases where
VENTION) BILL. offices were abolished, the holders of them ought only t°
On the order of the day for the second reading of this be superannuated until them was an oeportueity of .enr.
Bill, ployieg them in some other capacity.
The Earl of ABERDEEN said the Bill had only been Mr. W. WILLIAMS knew, for a certainty that mail •
printed and delivered that day. As the subject required of these who received these allowauces were far more
much consideration, he hoped the Noble Etta opposite able, as far as health and bodily strength went, to Per,
would postpone the second reading for a short time. form their duties than the great majority of lion. Men'',
The Earl of gALmEsBURY said he would take the bers who attended regularly in their places. lie also
second reading to-morrow (this day). complained that the great majority of these gentlemen)
METROPOLITAN BUILDINGS ACT FURTHER even when in their offices, !evilly did nothing, but were
A MENDMENT BILL. paid fordunusieg themselves in idleness.
The Earl of DEVON moved the second reading of Mr. HINDLEY. suggested that for the future the neW
this Bill. superannuation should be voted in a separate eStiCat“t
The Earl of DERBY said ho bad no objection to many of these ellowances bad been made a number 01
take the second reading on the understanding that time years ago, and -it would be almost a breach of faith to
was given to the Commissioner of Works to consider disturb them.
the measure. The vote was then agreed to.
CONSTITUTION FOR THE CAPE OF GOOD A vote 4,3001. for Polish refugees and distressed
HOPE. Spaniards was agreed to.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE said he wished to put On the vote of 4,469/. for miscellaneous items, formerly
a question with reference to the constitution to be defrayed by the hereditary revenues of the Crown,
given to the Cape of Good Hope. The Noble Earl lately Mr. ANSTEY objected to the item of 7001. for
at the head of the Colonial Department sent out draft French refugee clergy.
ordinances to the colony for the purpose of being con- Mr. HAMILTON explained that the allowance 05,
sidered and.adopted in the colony. In the discussion' made not as a religious grant, but simply as it grant Su
of the question in the colony, one of the 'colonial distressed refugees,
officers, the Attorlaey-General he thought, proposed Mr. ANSTEY objected to the item of .89/. 95. to be
that the franchise should be fixed at 25/, which was distributed among the incumbents of the Isle of gie'd
eventually adopted. The Noble Earl had embodied in It was his intention to. oppose any.measure that, in fat'
his draft ordinances the provision that 251. should be the voted public money for religious sects, and this itewr.
franchise. Upon the re-formation 'of the legislative 'seemed to him .to bear that character. He should ca.%
council the draft ordinance was taken into consideration, tainly, unless it was clearly explained that this item ns.o
and it was proposed by Mr. Montagu that the franchise no connexion with religious opinion, divide the 112°L
should be fixed at 501. This proposition was disap- on the question. With regard to the item of 400
_ed
proved of by the representative members of the council, aid of the funds of Lampeter College, be was elr
but was carried by the colonial secretary and the nomi- opposed to it. • This college was literally endowed
nee members. In the draft ordinances an unlimited the widow's mite, and was opened in 1828. A graati7g
power was reserved to the Government of this country made to the college by George IV., but this not ,ideaent
to correct any part of them when they arrived in this been sufficient, the present grant was made by Parneseedd
country. He wished to ask the Noble Earl (the Earl of on the condition of its only extending till the issehte
co.'
Derby), therefore, whether the Government were pre- expenditure should be equal. The accounts of t ;ft
pared to exercise that power, and to make the franchise lege were never fairly produced, and although the g.'
251., as originally proposed? He also wished to ask him of the college now considerably exceeded 4001., th•erwPraired
another question with reference to the council. If he cipals of the college, notwithstanding this, came fo
..nt.
was correctly informed, it was the intention of Govern- annually, like fraudulent beggars, to ask for this gs
brought
meat to make a still further alteration, by having nomi- In the form of the certificate which is
nees for the second chamber instead of an elective body, forward requesting the continuance of the
which be believed. would create great dissatisfaction, responsibility divided among so,u3aDY.Pe"°"' tin
He asked whether that was the intention? sstatemen
no one can be made responsible for aoYrelyeenditure of
The Earl of DERBY said he thought the Noble Duke that certificate regarding the assets and 'dr not
certificates was under the apprehension that the ordinances had ere the college. It was curious all that the and,
rived in this country. That • was not the case. The in use dated, not from Wales, but from Durham'
the
last mail brought them the discussion which bad taken according to these certificates, the livings attached tieside.
place on the 501, franchise, but the ordinances had not college had actually decreased fifty per cent. in dui
then passed. There were some forms to be gone through. That he (Mr. Austey);vvas unable to believe- Nothined
_d
In this country they were little competent to judge of mischief( had resui
the effect of a 25/. franchise in the colonies. Tdey had the effect of fostering
ied from this grant, it bad pod
now brought
acted on the advice of Lord Cathcart, namely, to sus- nothing would b., so advanitgangeroaunseeforantdheideldeunceasstion67i
pens their
judgment till they received the ordinances. North' Wales as the entire destruction of St. Divide
A mail had come in this morning which had most likely College at Lampeter. He would move that the vote be
brought the dispatches, and no time would be lost iu dimintehed bybe
coming to a decision on this question, because he thought Mr. MORRIS hoped that the Committee would not ,
with the Noble Earl that there ought to be no delay, led away h
ey the specious eloquence of the Learned
He He had some apprehensions as to the probable cense- Member for Youehal. The incipal of
Vie sues of 1,800/.
qaences of constitutional government in the Ca f taken high h
pe o(mows et University
and Bishop
Good Hope but a' • ,ter expectations which had been the character and station of the vice-princiPa- a •
tobfisocxotlolreag;
.and
held out, he thought that their promises should se fee. of St. David's entirely precluded any belief in the abasesd.
filled to the spirit and to the letter. With regard to the which the Hon. Member for Youghal bad enumerat:uch
other question, he had not heard of any proposal to sub- Mr. S. DA-VIES said that, t was impossible that 0
stitute a nominee council at the Cape of Good Hope fur abuses as those mentioned could have existed a college
the representative system. which bad had gentlemen of such worth for its principal.
Their Lordships then adjourned. • The most distinguished members of the Welsh Chur.li_
for their
hbeeierniepanrpniil La
et
nidh
of the college having refused to return any account
patiect6yl.leWgeithmretladridst'thlogtaho"p4reidncaiplisig;
at all, he (t.tr. Davies) did not think that such could b°
the ease. The reputation of the college and of the
gentlemen connected with it was a sufficient
that no fraud could he intended.
Mr. WILLIAMS, as having been born in thatcen°l
in which the college existed, felt extremely anitit
about the efluention of the youth of that county. Ere.;
one must be aware that any public edifice receivingd
grant from the country was amenable for °el;
guarantee
thing like falsification of accounts. He 511°%
1 W
prefer •the grant to .ee 1,0001., instead of 400,-
regard to the statement of the Hon. Member fur Yougba
died
that no one at that college could preach in the ,
language, he would only say that some of the mest,eet
tinguished clergymen in Wales were educated at
establishment...
After a few words from Mr. LOVEDEN,
Mr. W. WILLIAMS considered that it the teadite •
of Wales had territorial tithe it would be as rich s.6telf.
Church of England, and as well able to supportl. hotly
He would challenge the Hon. Member to neent`eidemen .
more upright op conscientious men than the gentnif..
'connected with St. David's College, Lampeter, eve d),
.;
he were to begiu with te Pope bieuseld—CA loot
He should be glad tot seethe college in a codified
forHAMILTON suggested that the tire° hat
to require this grant et all. . "a
arrMivred.reporting progress, and he should rn°re deed
the Chairman should du so, if the Hon.Memberinfe
to divide the Committee.
After a few words from Mr. ANSTEY, o,
p.o
The CHAIRMAN reported progress, and the
resumed.
The report was ordered to be received to-111°1°10;44
The Scutch Mills for Flax Bill was then read
time. 'sad
The other twelve o'eloek orders were then OP°
of, and the House rose at Four o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 7.
• SUPPLY.

(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)

On the vote of 30,000/. for the capture of ;laves, - -
Mr. STAFFORD, in reply to Sir G. Peelle'', observed
that the Board of Admiralty were determined to keep
the squadron on the coast of Africa in a state of suffi-
cient effectiveness to suppress the slave trade in that
quarter of the world.
Sir G. PECHELL wished to know whether France
and America still co-operated with this country in put-
ting a stop to the traffic in slaves on the coast of Africa?
Mr. STAFFORD said the reports on that subject
were satisfactory.
Captain SCOBELL complained that there had not
been sufficient promotion among those engaged iu the
attack upon Lagos.
Admiral STEWART said the promotion of officers in
the affair of Lagos had occupied the deliberate and
liberal consideration of the late Government. Whatever
were the number of killed and wounded, he would take
upon himself to say that in no other naval action on
record was more liberal promotion given by the
Admiralty.
Mr. STAFFORD confirmed the statement of the
Gallant Admiral.

Lord J. RUSSELL heard with great pleasure that it
was the intention of the Government to keep up the
slave squadron on the coast of Africa, for he believed, if
it were maintained for a short time longer, the traffic in
slaves would cease altogether.
The vote was then agreed to, as was also a vote of
11,2501. for mixed commissions for adjudication in refe-
rence to captured slaves and slavers.

On the vote of 150,983/. for defraying the expenses of
consular establishments abroad,

Mr. W. WILLIAMS considered that a great reduc-
tion might be made under this bead without injury to
the interests or commerce of the country. They might,
for instance, dispense with the consul at St. Petersburgli,
who received a salary of 7501. a year; for we had besides
that Officer in that city, not only an ambassador, but a
minister and secretary to the legation. He did not
think the consul could have any duty whatever to per-
form which could not be discharged by the other repre-
sentatives of England in St. Petermrgh. The Hon.
Member mentioned other instances iu which reductions
might be made.

The SPSAKER resumed the Chair at Six o'clock.
PE FITIONS. 4(01
Mr. BROTHERTON presented several petition ill.
Camberwell and other places againtit the Militia,3ol3te pled hi
Several petitions to the same effect were press
of Hon. Members.
Sir H. WILLOUGHBY presented a petition nil;
law society in the metropolis in favour of the. al3°'
of Masters in Chancery. - 1 nmntrier
Mr. EWART presented a petition from .1,..--
shire egainst the-grant to Maynooth• -r• &al
Mr. DUNCOM BE presented a petition from x 01-
in favour of Parliamentary reform. raion9
Mr. COBDEN presented a petition from a re'l7: the
society in Yorkshire, praying for an ailteration of
law preventiug marriage with a deceased wife's 5130;1
Mr. BRIGHT presented a petition from the cc:,l4 of
tiattTlhe
leaesatop: county,eiMrori9,7; i v
vr : Marquis
,14,t00s
soift
of Down, complaining'
anduiicsh tohfPey considered a direct interfcrenc° ; oe•
iinDndginongdfecLoryf
ainn; .hie.necriejilnreitrifoeiarnelFot.tbiti::
titnethfieollusoeupasnodwthheofhraededobuteenofceLe!er
as
ipsri:oe ipiapeavtlil'Eoi oetinscei cryoont%lAlli,:raTYtu°r t'
praying
MISSION. f the
Lord DUN,' Eel. POOR LAW C°M.
Times that no ember
sees of the 3d of JULI 3 the following parugaPh
~AN said that ia the City Article ,
op..
geared:-- wbich
"It is a curious fact, illustrative of the way in er,
the official business of the Government is someticee!!_od
formed, that a cheque drawn by the Poor-law Boad " A
signed by Sir John Trollope (President), and 14°tbr;
Courtenay (Secretary), was dishonoured to-do at___,,,t
Bank of England. Its atutunt.WaS 1491., and the 009;:„
given to Messrs. Glyn end Co., by whom it wa, P .
stinted, was 'Not sufficient effects.'"
• bj 2111.4
some explanation should be given on thin su .fiber the
Ho thought that for the credit of the Poor:le o°_,llbr!
begged to *sk the President of the Board whe ''''
statement in the Times was correct? . _,, ja
Sir J. TROLLOPE viculd have no great ditEe4Vl.4
The circumstance arose from mere inadvertenetary
explaining the matter to which. the Noble Lord re,..niltil,
part of the accountant who tra.nsactedot4R. rik,
ousiness of the Poor-law BJard. . Pao.. aSiA/11,14..,037, bad
auditors would ho sent in very soon, and ni-,joa, bit;
been voted by the House in the course of the
sero 00
the secepatent bed, by own °Tonight; olOllVg

Lord STANLEY said there was only an increase of
2,0001. under this head, as compared with last year, but
the present Government were only responsible for a
small portion of the present estimates. Ho assured
the Honourable Member that his Noble Friend
at the head of Foreign Affairs would take this subject,
into his serious consideration with the view of mono-,
mising the expenses as far as possible.
In reply to Mr. HINDLEY,
Lord STANLEY said he was not aware of the:
existence of any rule that when a vecancy occurred in!
the consular establishment it should be filled up by the;
Government at the same salary.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS complained that the expense of`
our establishments at the small settlement of
Kong amounted to 7,3991., while at Canton, where
vast a commerce was carried on, the expense
exceed 4,6291. did nott,
was nominal
Lord STANLEY said the discrepancy
conducted
and not real. The Governor of Hong-Kong
all negotiations with the Chinese Governemsetanbt,lisahtehnatds.
the general supervision of the
in China, and he was theref
ot consularrethought entitled to a
larger salary than the consul
compla of the -1
Mr. W. WILLIAMS did naotCanton•
but thoughtin he shouldGover per-
nor of Hong-Kung's "ara
duty.
form an additional amount
Admiral STEW
ART observed, that if consuls did
not perform their duties to the satisfaction of the coin-,
mercial part of the commueity, the Government
were sure to hear of it. We should never have good
and efficient men to represent us in foreign parts, and td
defend the rights of British merchants, unless they paid
them well. The climate of Hone-Kong was the most
deadly to the European constitution, not even excepting
the coast of Africa, and the cost of living there was
most expensive. He considered no money was better
spent by the country than in securing efficient, able,
and honest consuls abroad.
After some further discussion the vote was agreed to.
On the vote of 16,800/. for the extraordinary dis
bursements for her Majesty's missione abroad,
Mr, ANSI wished to know, wits regord to the