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London, England, 1852-06-15 00:00:00

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IMPERIAL PARLIAMEN T.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 14.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
RAMSGATE HARBOUR BILL.

On the motion for considering the report of this Bill,
Mr. G. HUDSON moved that this Bill be taken into
consideration this day three months.
Lir. HENLEY said that the Bill was certainly not a
satisfactory Bill, and the Government wouid have
nothing to do with it either one way or the other.
Sir G. PECUELL was astonished to hear this deter-
mination of the Government. He certainly thought
these tolls ought to be abolished.
Sir F. BARING said that it was impossible for this
harbour to be maintained without these tolls, and he
should, therefore, support this Bill.
Mr. HUME was the more astonished to hear what
had fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman than he had
been at hearing the President of the Board of Trade.
This Bill was opposed to the sound principles on which
our commercial marine ought to be supported, and he
therefore' called on the House to reject it.
Mr. AIASTERMAN defended the Bill.
After a few words from Mr. B. Dennison, Mr. Grogan,
and Mr. Ifeadlam, who opposed the Bill,
Mr. STAFFORD said that the Government having
followed the laborious investigation which had been in-
stituted by the late Government, had arrived at the con-
clusion that the passing toll was not so necessary
as was considered by the Right Hon. Gentleman oppo-
site. Whatever might be the fate of this Bill the Go-
vernment did not consider themselves precluded from
re-opening the subject at any time. They considered
that the subject required to bo dealt with by a bold and
comprehensive measure, and in h future session they
were not indisposed to introduce such a measure.
After a short discussion, in which Sir B. Bridges, Mr.
Raikes Currie, and Sir C. Burro!!, took part, the
House divided, when the numbers wore—
For the amendment
Against ..•
Majority •• •••
The Bill was consequently thrown out.
The Torquay Market and Slaughter-houses Bill was
considered, and ordered to be read a third time.
PETITIONS

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Mr. HUME presented a petition from a public meet-
ing of Irishmen at Manchester, praying for the pardon
of Smith O'Brien, John Mitchell, and their companions.
Sir W. CLAY presented a petition from a literary
society, praying for the free transmission of Parliamen-
tary papers by the post.
MR. F. O'CONNOR.
Mr. J. BELL gave notice that this evening, at six
o'clock, be would present a petition from a relative of
Mr. F. O'Connor, praying for his discharge from the
custody of the Sergeant-at-Arms, in order that he might
be placed in a lunatic asylum.
UNDUE INFUENCE AT THE ENNISKILLEN

ELECTION.
Mr. S. CRAWFORD, on the motion for going into
Committee of Supply,
been made, or would be asked whether any inquiry had
instituted, regarding the alleged
' proceedings of General Thomas
at Enniskillen, on the
19th of May -as,
/ t for the purpose
of exercising an undue
influence over Sergeant.
M‘liinley, a pensioner residing
the disposalof his
vote h reference to
in the said town, with
vote
at the next general election? Major BERESFO ' RD said the statement made by
Sergeant M‘liin ey•was " I entirely unfounded. He re-
ferred to a letter explaining the matter from General
Thomas to Sir E. Blakeney, the lieutenant commanding
the army in Ireland, in which the former stated that
when he arrived in Enniskillen ho was welcomed by
the pensioners who belonged to the regiment in which he
had served many years, and that he observed that if
any among them were voters they had an opportunity
of showing the sincerity of their professions by voting
for Mr. Whiteside, the Government candidate, who was
his particular friend; but he denied that he attempted to
intimidate any man, or shook his fist at Sergeant
M'Keniley, and said he was a disgrace to the
name of an Enniekillener. Ile (Major Beresford)
admitted it was imprudent in a general officer,
fresh from duty, and wearing his regimentals, to
say one word to his comrades in reference to an election
about to take place, but be was quite satisfied that Ge-
neral Thomas was not capable of the conduct of which
he was said to be guilty. The Hon. Member
er read se-
veral communications which ho had received from officers and others who were present on the 0 •
occasion, all
of whom stated that no such intimidation Was used by
General Thomas.

SUPPLY.
The House then went into Committee of uppy.
On the vote of 12,000/. for defraying the expenlses of
Hong-Konz,
Mr. LIUME complained of the large amount of the
vote; and expressed a hope that the Government would
by next year reconsider it, with the view of eoeco•
raising the expenses of the colony.
Sir J. PAKINGION was very much struck by the
high amount of the vote on the estimates fer,e
Hong-
Kong, but promised that in the recess he wonla "lcitic_
his attention to the subject in order to see hic ,ro re
veer,
tiona could be made. A great diminution bad'"wfor in
lately taken place in the expenses of the
CO4,l°sY'prosent
1845 the amount was 49,000/ , while in the present
to
year it was only 12,0001,, and he very mob
be able to effect further reductions. hat had fallen
Lord D. STUART was glad to hear what
Lord took from the Right li'in. Baronet.
The Tatter of the
occasion while On this Vote to call tbnoder Johnstone.
Government to the C 43: of Mr. 41.1exeld, was very in-
the registrar at Hong-Kong, who, ,un his long services
adequately remunerated, considering
and the duties he had to diseltarire•
the accuracy of 801110
Sir G. STAUNTON confirmed
th Noble Lord respecting
of the particulars given by the
officer,
tisfaction at the promised
Mr. SCOTT expressed
reduction of the vote, and ws6as
the colonists.
The vote was then 4'"
On the vote of ,
of Labuan,
Mr. WILSO.• afeed to.
4 000/. to certain it would please
wards defraying the expenses
74 PATTEN called the attention

of ltile Government to the dietit bieh C '.-
e-.:_:\
arisen between Sir James Brooke, the ele ~, .-, "/ eet;' 4.4; e -..,7
of Labuan, and the Eastern Areb,!:e• '-",‘-,1- el-"`
~i,P.„„ii.
Company, and urged the Government to int: al' '-"ihl---- '''-'-alepl
the purpose of its bafflement. The governor ob *Fee " --t.e(\. 'Y etr"'
grant to work the coal mines of the colony, an. 4"): ' ' te e,`"A eek. lift,
wards transferred it to the Eastern Archipelago i.'.'"e--t-43.2's '
pany, who obtained a charter from the teovernns, ie. -,
.%
In the meantime Sir James Brooke obtaine.'..-
_A(44'
additional grants from the Sultan of Borneo, and ."'"-.
he immediately changed his course of tactics, lee
threw every obstacle in the way of the company, and
completely changed his views of the original grant. The
company had therefore come to the conclusion that he •
wished to shirk his agreement. Sir James Brooke
brought certain accusations against the com-
pany, bat upon inquiry these accusations were
proved to be entirely unfounded.—(Hear, hear.)
One of the charges Sir James Brooke had brought for-
ward against the company, was that they had obtained
their charter by fraud. The Colonial-office investigated
the accusation, and declared the cearge not
substantiated. Sir James Brooke's next stop
was to purs.necie one member of the cempeny to
MO a bill in Chancsry to the intent that he bad been
persuaded by false representations to loin the erne-
pony. This ease was tried by Vice-Ch, ricellor
Turner, and his judgment was to tee aft ct that
if the company had been guilty of frond, if
was the duty of the Coloniae-office, and not
of Sir James Brooke, to cause inquiry to he
made on the subject. He himself was of the esme
opinion, and ho would now only state on behalf of the
company, that they bed asked him to press nprn the
Government that i: was from teem that an tucieiry
should proceed; he would also impress on the Govern-
ment to take care teat this care abould be .ettleel More
Sir James Breeke should return to the colony. '
Sir JOHN PAKINGION was willing to admit the
importance of the question, but he was of opinion that a
die.cussion on that question now would rot ae beneficial,
inasmuch as at the present moment the whole question
WaS pending the deeision of a court of law. Ho was
free to acknowledge that it Was irjuricue to the colony
to have this company and the governor at open war with
each other.
Mr. SIDNEY HERBERT was of opinion that it
under tnceoitinteene; of
was not
generally known that Sir James Brooke was
engaged is, -•. andtherefore might be
, mere/settle pursuits,
interests. If Sir James
Brooke's
suspicion, it ought to
be the duty et gave ground for
counter
of the Government to inquire closely into
that conduct.
Sir J. PARINGTON
not consider himself ' - only
at deal of his
eus.tieed in entering into the ques-
tion under the pre..
Mr. B. comnIANE Would repeat that he did
Circumstances.
Brooke had /oat a erre was of opinion that Sir James
Mr. LIUME had underst
duct in a colony eo eituateiP
at Labuan, and, struck withotthat coal had been found
private fortune. .
the matter. Ho would state te tt', ortances ofehis pro-
had inquired into
Ist of Jelly there were 881
sergernmireenwt with
and that the colony was ra thernals in that colony,
press the matter on the attention of theeadB
a view to meking a saving in the pub/ic
piebelydiviedriouse that on the
Sir JOHN PAKINGTON said, that UT: 11°Y;
e
the points under the consideration of her maelva e
An. -
vernment. After a short conversation the-eat jee e e
'-- Go-
agreed to. vote Wag
A vote of 386,715/. for the expenses of the Militian
Mr. ,[fume,
in
England and Ireland, after a protest from eine,
was then agreed to.
The CHAIRMAN was then directed to report pro..
greats; and the House having resumed, he did so accord-
ingly.
The remaining twelve o'clock orders were then die.
posed of, and the House rose at Four o'clock.

The House resumed at Six o'clock.
PETITIONS.

Mr. V. SCULLY presented 6 petition from Man.,
cheater in favour of tenant right.
Mr. GLADSTONE presented a petition from St.
Thomas's, in Jamaica, complaining of distress and pray..
ing for relief.
Mr. BELL presented a petition from the sister of Mr.
Feargus O'Connt;r, praying that the Hon. Member
might be released for the purpose of undergoing medical
eximinatior, the petitioner beliciving him to be of un-
t,ound mind.
Mr. WALPOLE moved that a Committee be ap-
pointed to considur the facts contained in the petition.
The motion was agreed to.
WELSH COLLEGES.

Mr. WILLIAMS asked if papers relative to Lampeter
College would be presented, or whether a Committee would
be appointed to inquire into its condition?
Mr. WALPOLL answered that he saw no reason for in.
quiry, but if the lion. Member would state what information
he required, he would consider the subject.
EMIGRATION FROM SOUTHAMPTON,
Mr. B. CCCHRANE asked the Colonial Secretary
whether it was the intention of her Majesty's Government to
devote any portion of the sum of 14,0831., granted to her
Majesty for the purpose of emigration, for the accommodation
of emigrants at the port of Southampton, in conformity with
the report of Lieut. Lean, of the Gevernment Emigration
Office, and he might add in conformity with the tenders of
the London and South-Western Railway Company, which
were more than 30 per cent. below those received from
Deptford and Plymouth. Southampton being moreover the
natural port for the embarkation of emigrants from the
shores of England, they would thus avoid the delay and
expense of the sea voyage from tke Thames to the Isle of
Wight.

Sir J. PAKINGTQN said many considerations bad to be
attended to on such a Abject, including that of expense,
and the distance and the cost of conveyance by railway
would necessarily be an obstacle in the way of such an ar-
rangement as now suggested. However, on the next occa-
sion of a renewal of the contracts Southampton should have
its claims fairly considered.
SMITHFIELD MARKET.

Mr. C. LEWIS said last sdssion an Act Passed to provide
for the transfer of the cattle market from Smithfield ; and
he had understood that the Corporation had elected to take
the matter into their own hands. He wished to khow
whether any further steps had been taken on the sulject ?
Mr. WALPOLE said a fortright ago the City had sub-
witted a plan to him for traniferiing the market to Copen-
hagen-fields, where they had then purchased sixty acres.
Considering all the circumstances, he had approved of that
plan. bat had deemed it advisable that the Corporation
should, while they had the power, purchase more land ;
and in accordance ith his suggestion, they had arranged
for the purchasing of seventy acres, and were in treaty
for more.—(Hear.)
JOINT-STOCK BANKS.

Mr. FORSTER rose to ask the President of the Board of
Trade whether the attention of that department had been
drawn to the operation of the Act 7th and Bth Vict., c. 110,
for the regulation of joint-stock companies, to the frequent
evasion of the provisions of that Act, and to the state of the
affairs of some of the companies registered under it, as
shown by the return of the registrar, and ordered by the
House to be printed on the 19th day of March lait ; and
whether it is the intention of the Government to propose a
revision of the Act, to prevent further danger to the publig
from the abuse of it ?

Mr. HENLEY said his attention had been drawn to the
law as to insurance companies especially, and generally
as to joint-stock companies ; and he believed the law was
in a very unsatisfactory state, easily evaded, and not r
ciently enforceable. If he should next session have egg,_
e-
houour of holding his present office, he should certainly en-
deavourthe
-
to frame some measure to remedtyhatthethmeyiscmhi':
THE NATIONAL SCHOOL SOCIETY. mischief,
Mr. GLADSTONE presented a petition f
Government aid to
number of clergymen, setting forth their r(n7a
a great
their duty to the Church, and'praying desire to fulfil
be required in the schools receiving
question to the Home
ht not
fwthijeat
forego the teaching of the Church ca echrsm.
Mr. J. A. SMITH rose to put a
e following notice:—
Secretary, of which he had given
National
lr
Si towciasetst h; ea
nd iif intention
so,naoet
the issuing of the Queen's Letter , Government to advise
. this
period of the year such
Year in aid of the
letter would be issued?
facts, in order to explain the would wish to state a few
Society was one of the great institutions The National School
of education, maintained b institutions for the promoting
managed by aco • y the Established Church, and
committee - I
Bishops, with other members Inc ading the entire bench of
1 few years there had been , lay and clerical. During the last
on between the
an almost perpetual discussion going
Committee of the Pr' committee of the society and the Education
generally understood Council in reference tO what
tmwenast
clauses" in the deeds as the question of the " management
aid from
the Government. u under which schools received
tbeuovernment
had resisted all atte p to the present period
e_a in
pursuz
ance of the request EnPts to change thescommittee. But it
was understood thatol members of the
Government
had decided on
making changesi recently the
ueas
h met the views and
n these minutes, s requirements of
Mr. GL
that section--: two others had
with one or
shown
sIyinI'ADSTONE, who
at where cried " Question,"
Mr. J. Al:tr° of luiP- ience' in the hands of the House.
He would SMITH said he was
as possible.—(Hear.)
Ti. ti vas
a Make his statement as short
had consented to make
4 . ‘va.
. believed that Government
certain changes in the Alinutes of Council, which met
the views ' f ia members of the committee, and the
Archdeacon' of Taunton
o certain
had publicly declared that he had
Seen the draft of the minute as so altered, and that it had
hear.) In that state of the
met with his approval.—(Hear, composed of al o t
levery
case a deputation of gentlemen,
went upon Thurmd a ast to
class and every shade of °Pun°and laid befor his ay
the Archbishop of canterhur)r,
a change ' e Grace the
grounds on which they conceived.,._ in the charter
.of
seal charg his Grace formal notice
the society was indis' theter was o the change in . . assented t , . y
that unless a
te themselves from the society and establish
would separa
carry
out their own views. As the National
another to
:dray supported by public subscription and
Society as
whe Queen's Letter read in the churches, and under
partly by t
ins were triennially collected and remitted to
which large su
r of the society (forming the principal funds of
the treasuret
6_
) the deputation felt that while this strong
the commit e . ,
-.4 existed as to the management of the society, it
digress.on
r desirable or decent that the Royal Letter
was nE, lenge _
and
under itplaced
issued, the funds collected _ _
should be
hands of the committee. His question, therefore,
in the
.a., whether, under these circumstances, the Right Hon.
—proposed to issue the letter this year, and if
Gentleman
so, at what period the letter would be issued ?
Mr. WALPOLE.—Sir, in answer to the Hon. Gentle-
man, I have to state that the issuing of the Queen's
Letter depends upon an application being made to me
by the Archbishop of Canterbury in the usual form. No
such application has yet been made, and I do not think
that I can, or ought to answer the question of the Hon.
Member—(Hear)—until I have the facts of the case—.
(Hear) —whether the letter will be issued or not. But
Sir, since the Hon. Member has adverted to an alteration in
the minutes of the Privy Council as to the management
clauses (or rather not an alteration, but a relaxation), I beg
to state that I hold the minute as so altered in my hands, and
will lay it upon the table - (Hear, hear)—in order to dis-
abuse the minds of the Members, and rfoalove the miscon-
struction which has been put on the i t • n entions of the Go-
vernment as to this matter.—(litatr.)
The Right lion. Gentleman forthwith laid
the paper on
the table, which was at once ordered to be printed.
CASE OE THE REV. Mr. BENNETT.
Mr. GOULBURN said the Ho n. Member for Cockermouth
(Mr. Horst:Liao) had a motion for i
ap ponting the Select Com-
mittee on the case of the Rev. Mr.l'ennett:—., To nominate
the Select Committee on Prune Vicarage :—Mr. Horsman,
Mr. Secretary Walpole, Sir David Dundas, Mr. Gladstone,
Mr. John Abel
Smith, Mr. Solicitor-General, Mr. Evans,
Mr. Stuart Wortie - Sir Benjamin • Hall, Mr. Newdegate,
.., Benjamin
Mr. Langston, tiSbafto Adair, Mr.
. r. Whiteside,' Mr.
Gaskell, Sir Harr Air. Sidney Herbert, Mr.
arry "V erney,
i Edward Ellice, and Mr. Cumminti Bruce' He wished to
ask the 1.1911, Member whether he intended to proceed ;with