The Sun.
London, England, 1852-06-04 00:00:00

SUPPLY.

On the motiAn for bringing up the report on the Com-
mittee of Supply,
Mr. WILLIAMS took the opportunity of protesting
against it being understood that to day's proceedings
should be taken as a precedent in future for taking supply
at twelve o'clock.

Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished to know what the
probable expense of com,iPtivg the new Houses would
be, and whether any lurcher s►eDs were to be taken for
improving the ventilation of tle House?
Mr. HAMILTON, in the absence of the Noble Lord
the First Commissioner of Works, was not prepared to
answer either question.
The report was brought tip and agreed to.
On the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair
f,)r going into Committee of Supply,
ANSTEY moved for copies of all correspondence
Zt'id papers on the subject of Colonel Outram's removal
the office of Resident at the Court of the Guicowar,
on the subject of the alleged corruption of officers of
the Bombay Government with bribes from Baroda.
The SPEAKER said as the motion was unopposed it
must be moved as an opposed return later in the day.
The motion was accordingly withdrawn, and the
House went into Committee.

On the motion that 17.911/, be voted for defraying the
expenses of Schools of Practical Art.
Mr. WILLIAMS said he highly approved of the
Vote, and it was agreed to.
On the question that 2.0061. be voted for the Profes-
sors of Oxford and Cambridge,
Mr. ANSTEY opposed the motion because the two
Universities were of a sectarian character, and ought
not to be supported by the State. He was anxious for
the time when religious discussion would not be tole-
rated in the House of Commons, and on that account ho
was equally opposed to the Maynooth grans as he was
to the one under consith-ration.

Mr. WILLIAMS said thore had been reports of the
datia performed by these professors, and he was sorry
to find that not more than two or three pupils attended
their lectures. He was also opposed to the vote. The
Universities wore rich enough without coming to Par-
liament for votes of rublic money.
Sir R. H. INGLIS supported the vnt°, and reminded
the House that the grant was originally made by the
Crown out of its civil list, and it would be a breach of
kith to withdraw it now, more especially as the Crown
t:eceived a consideration for the grant.
After a few w,rds from Mr. ANSTEY,
Ir. CARTER said the universities had refused to
give any acc u t of the large funds at their disposal,
and they bad therefore no right to this grant. There
was a distinction to be drawn between this grant and
that voted for the London University, b,cause the London
University was anythingarian, while the two Universities
of Oxford and Cainbridv,e were sectarian.
The Committee tnen divided, when there appeared—
For the vote .., ••• •-• 78
Against it . . -.• ••• 8

Majority 70
The vote was then agreed to, as was also 3,9671. for
he University of London.
On the vote ot 7,0501. for the Universities of Scotland,
Mr. ANSTEY objected to the vote on the ground
that two-thirds of the people of Scotland, the greater
portion of whom belonged to the Free Church, were
prohibited entering these colleeee, which were falsely
'celled national educational establishments. He moved
tilat the vote be expunged, and said he should take the
sense of the House upon it.
Mr, HAMILTON thought it would not be eon-
%latent with justice to interfere with a vote of this nature.
IN. WILLIAMS considered that the universities
`.l;Scotland.v stood in exactly the same position as the
benefit
of London. They had been productive of
7;1_03z b.enetit to Scotland as well as to the United King-
Zsgo'rbsuotfhae,vobieeted to the item in the vote for the pro-
Mr.
coui,ISTIE also objected to the same item.
for the exercilis said a strong case had been made out
universities in the northern more liberality and justice to the
eANno,rthern parts of the kingdom.
Lord DUN
that the Universities of
in reply to the accusation,
Oxford and Cambridge were
sectarian in character,3 otfhat he had himself seen a Dis-
senter attending lactates at the latter institution.
jr. ANSTEY
and propo,,tcji he would withdraw his
amendment,
the vote be reduced by
6551., the sum awarded to
erT
lora of divinity.
Sir G. CLERK defended
vote. Ho thought, if
regard of any class of
en exception was to be readet
professors, it should be with re to those who were
immediately connected with ecclesiasticala studies, be-
cause a large amount of ecclesiasticproperty was
handed over to the country by the I
on the condition that these votes were Scotch universities
• • granted
annually—(Hear.) These universities had ec,-,noney of
their own, and it would be a r.
- eroaa breach of
faith to withdraw the support which they had hitherto
received from Parliament.
Mr. GEORGE'ICHOMPSON should vote in favour of
the amendment.
The Committee then cariaeti, when theva
For the reauction ••• —• • • 16
Against it ..• •••
Majority ... •-•
The vote was then agreed to.
Oa the vote of 3.0001. for the salaries of theological
professors at the Belfast College,
Mr. ANSTEY said he had the same objection to this
grant, for he was opposed to endowiDg divinity in any
form out of the public money. He was determined to
take the sense of the Committee, whatever might be the
explanation ot the Govei ncm tit. He moved that the
%foie be reduced by the sum of 2,300/
The Committee then divided when there appeared--
For the reduction 13
Against it ...
Majority —77
The vote was agreed to, as well as. one of 21,3601.
Tor the buildings connected with the British Mu,euro.
On the next vote of 52,343/. for salaries and expenses
at the British Museum,
Mr. STANFORD complained that under a new
arrangement the salariee of the custodians were fixed at
57/. a year, which was not equal to the wages of
arechanies.

••• --70

Mr. GOULBURN said the only alteration made by
the trustees was to give thrse officers a fixed salary in-
tithed of paying them by the dly—an arrangement which
'hey considered was more just and fair, as formerly these
Acers received no remuneration when absent from any
,t 0.1190.

The vote was then agreed to.
A vote of 2,4591., allowed for the National Gallery,
was agreed to.
On the "notion that 14,9201. be granted for the support
of the Geological Survey,
Mr. CIIARTERIS asked the Right Hon. Gentleman
the Chancellor of th, Exchequer whether he had come
to any determination relAtive
to the establishment of a
Gdological Museum in Edinburgh?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
• 'tad considered the matt,, r, but though the Govern-
.,,teat felt considerable interest in the establishment of
such museums, yet the claimants were so numerous that
they had not yet been able to come to any decision.