The Sun.
London, England, 1852-07-08 00:00:00

' neert)ed ovary aonio, to make themselves perfectly free
luta severytning and everybody th,reita c,12 ained?—
:Hear.) I may be told these are vaia apprehensi.na—
appe,ls made to the fanciful fears of the country simply
for the public o,x,)endi,ure. That reminds me of a story
chic I remember having heard of an elderly lacy who
lived 'tear Henley-on-Thames, and who, when an io-
vssi,t, was expected by Nai..oleuu Bonaparte said she
doi not believe it would ever come, because she had
bo,n told in her youth the Pretender was coming, and,
as he never came to Henley, she believed Napoleon Bo-
naparte never would come there either,—(l4aughter.)
Now I don't quote this story, gentlemen, to throw any
reflexion upon the intelligence of the eller portion of the
fairer sex—(A laugh)—b cause I remember to have
heard that the Duch,-ss of Gordon, in the time of Mr.
Pitt, talking to an elderly statesman, was told by him,
with regard to something in which he thought he had
acted unwisely, " Really, Madam, I feel that I am grow-
ing an old woman;" upon which the Duchess replied,
"I am glad to hear that that's ad, for I really th( ught

your Grace was growing an old man, and that's a much
worse thing."—(Great laughter.) Now I say that those
men who tell you that because you have had no invasion
since the Norman Conquest you never will have one.
wad that you need not guard against it, are old men-
—(A laugh.) Though they may not be old in years,
they are old in imbecility of intellect.
who are most able to judge of military .
anpderfectly
operations tell you that an invasion
't ever
possible; that it is more possible now than. 'change
All thoseial
was before, mainly on account of the great
t steam in
which has been made by the application
of
you are
naval and military operations; and to tell
you
üble to prevent
safe from invasion now because you vaeFe
it before, to tell you that you are safe from invasions
now without precautions, because hitherto you have
of all, pos
prevented it by precautions, i 3 thegreatestnened it that you had
Bible absurdities. Wily, how hha_Prthee good old lady at
nginvasLon at the time of
'Henley spoke? Because wnichad then a large standing
you had
had your whole militia
army within the kingdom; Y
organised, enrolled, and on permanent pay; you had,
besides, 400,000 volunteers, the whole country was in
could not not have made an effectual
arms, and the enemy c"
attempt; but even then, believe, and I have been mod
on good authority'
was only in consequence of
navaloperation, by which the French
t eta were to he failure of a hsv formed a junction, that an at-
tempt to inv
fleed° you was not made. The resultwould have been such as it always will be when
Englishmen are armed and prepared; but I say
that, if r
Blg 19 In h en are not armed, and are
not prepare' d they are doing injustice to themselves,
and are not showing themselves worthy of those great
and inestimable blessings whicth it has been the will of
Providence to bestow upon them. Some of you may
ay' however, " Oh, but we may possibly be taken for
-eatltatilitia." Now, the Bill which was first brought in
by the late Government, and which they said was thrown
out by a vote to which the Rouse of Commons came at
any suggestion, was founded on the Local Militia Arta,
and that Bill had for its basis compulsory service by
ballot. The exceptions were to be small; the general
scope of the 13711 was service by ballot, and no power to
serve by substitute. Now, the present Act, to which I
Eattve my humble support in Parliament, and which some
of those who object to me cast in my teeth as a reproach,
is founded, on the contrary, upon voluntary service, arid
Unless the number of men is not raised by bounty—as I
am confident it will be—no recourse is to be had to the
ballot, or to compulsory service. I feel, gentlemen, that
in the part whicn it was my lot to take in furtherance
of that measure I act©d upon a sense of duty to my
country, and that I rendered a humble service to the
whole the united kingdom.—(Cheers) There is one
other question which has been the suhj.-ct of much pub-
lic dee uaeion—l mean the grant which win placed on
the coneo:iclated fund for the Collette of Maynootb, by
an Act of Parliament passed itt elle time of the late Sir
Reboil Pee!. I know that many penens in England and
l
Scotland anxiously desire that the grant shoo d be re-
voked. I confess lan not one of those who are pre-
pared to join in that revocation. I lciok upon that asgrant
a part et a general system, end I look upon it als es
a peculiar arrangement arising out of the c ,edition of the
sister country. If a man tells me that he objects to the
grant to Mtvnooto because he objects to any grant of
public money to the mioiaters of any religion, or to any
ecclesiastieat establishment, I understand hi;argument;
I respect his opinion; I differ ro it, but at the
same time I acknowledge that hisoojection is founded
upon intelligible principles of action.—(Hear, hear.)
I have been born and bred in a country where
there an established church; my opinion is
that it is for the advantage of every country to have
An est-ablished church, and that that church ought to
be the: church of the majority. There are those who
diffeo from me. I respect their difference, but I main-
tain my own opinion. This College of Maynooth, how-
ev=er, rests up 311 particular considerations It was granted
to the Irish in order that their priesthood might be edu-
cated at home, instead of going to Spaip, to France, or
to Rome to obtain an education. It was granted before
the Union; and, though its maintenance was not a
special stipulation of the Union, yet still I hold that the
good faith of England was engaged, not without good
reason, to deprive the Irish of the grant.--(Cheers.)
Now I can quite understand that those who wish the
hi-sit:to be Protestants would propose to take away this
grant, if, by withdrawing it, they could turn the Irish
from being Catholics to become Protestants. But you
would do no such thing if you took away the grant.
You would, indeed, deprive the poor Irish scholar who
is destined for the priesthood of a national education.
You would send bite to Spain, or to Italy, or else-
where, to learn there the most objectionable doctrines
of the church to which he belongs. He would come
beck as complete a Catholic as if he had beeu eda-
nta
cated at Maynooth; but ha would also come back
a Spaniard, or an Italian, or a Frenchman, instead
of being, as he now is, an Irishman to the very
heart's core.--(Hear, hear.) I say, then, it would be an
act'of great hardahip and injustice towards the humble
Irish scholar it you were to deprive him of those means
Of instruction; and it would also be an injury to the
c mntry to fill the Irish parishes with priests, who, in-
stead of having been educated as Irishmen, would bring
with totem political and foreign doctrines to contaminate
the purity of their national faith.—(Hear, hear.) I say
then, gentlemen, that I for one am nut prepared to vote
fur taking away that grant, It is a part of a general
question on watch I differ in opinion from many whose
judgment I respect. It is a peculiar question between
Euglaed and Ireland ; and both as an Englishman..
and as being interested in Ireland, I feel it would be
an injustice and an injury to the country to with-
draw the grant.--(Hear, hear.) Now, gentlemen, I
am not aware that there is any other topic of material
ime,ortanee upon which it can be my duty to address
:you, and to detain you longer under this burning sun.
I can only say that I hold it to be the duty of those
who govern the country, and of these who are sent into
Parliament to deliberate upon the interests of the coun-
try, to consider that they are governing and deliberat-
ing for the interests of the wnole nation—not to allow
thema'lvea to be biassed by the interests or the wishes
of any one particular class, but to feel and to remember
that every class must benefit sooner or later by the
prosperity of the whole, and that it is a narrow and a
short-sighted policy which endeavours to rear the tate_
rests cf the feweupon the injury of the many.—(Cheers,)
I appeal, gentlemen, to the general prosperity of the
country; I appeal to the progressive increase of the re-
venue, and more especially of the revenue drawn from
an increased consumption by the poorer classes of all
those articles in which their limited enjoyment consists;
I appeal to that universal prosperity which no man can
now deny as proofs that the successive Administrations
which-of late years have been charged with the interests
of the country, and that the Parliaments whicn have had
to deliberate upon the measures proposed, have steered
a wise and prudent course, and that that course has been
rewarded by those results—the benefit of all—which
were predicted by the men who proposed and who sane-
tiened the measures to which I advert.—(Cheers.) Gen-
tlemen, I nil° thank you for the distinguished honour
you have this day conferred upon me. I trust that my
future conduct will equally with my past merit the con-
tinuance of your favours, and as long as I enjoy the
honour of representing you, I can assure you that there
is no other distinction of that kind which any circum-
stances would induce ma to prefer.—(Cheem) Gentle-
men, I beer to return you my most sincere and cordial
thanks.—(Loud cheering.)
Mr. ROWCLIFF then came forward and put several
questions to Lwd Palmerston, the nature of which will
be fully apparent from the Noble Lord's reply.
Lord PALMERSToN said,—My good friend, Mr. Row-
cliff,. has reproached me for not coming often enough
among you. I must say that be does not appear disposed
to make my visits here oarticul irl agreeable to met—
(Laeghter and manner
cheers Ic' ao sa that the
an t Yy
in whicn he received ')enno.t.
_lO
cultivate the society o '
(Rena wed lauahter twe affords much encouraaem
persons of his way of th.inki
cal, a Chartilt, or a rosyW liff is a Rath-
hether Mr. B 'vac.
that all p trties may have some
iert:4llY cannot say. I believe
ing him.—(w laugh.) bar. Reg reason or other for claim-
zon of the good that Govern—rae told
cliff sap; that I only
done, and that, have myself'ta 'lad Parliaments have
told yon of the bad. Why, God hi and that I have not
unnecessary for me to do that ;as (Lead laug-hter.) If there was a b'Ya.
the, it was quite
he was here.—
corded, to be invented, or to b 3 imagietPi'ig to be re-
tllltoYwriiifofctd
1 tell quite sure
Mr. Rowcliff would be the first man to
"
(Laughter, which was increased when Inr
out .a Question.") Well, Mr. Rowcliff is ira
this castigation. I will bit lower or high e: ti ent under
pleases—(Laughter)—but ho must allow we
to hwhere. Mr. Rowcliff has asked me what Gove"e I mean to j An. Now, that is a question that must depend upon the ftwure—(A laugh)—but I will tell him
whateed Governmcent Ido not mean to join him. I can assure
you and him that I never will join a Government called
a Rowcliff Administration.—(Great laughter and cheer-
ing.) Now, gentlemen, don't you imagine, because you
de, .m it very absurd that there should be such an Ad-
ministration, that my friend Mr. Rowcliff is at all of
that way of thinking; for I believe I am not far mistaken
in the opinion that he will consider everything goir
wrong in this world, and in this country, until th Row.
cliff Admibintration shall govern the land —(Loud
laughter,) Mr. Rowcliff has raked up old and bygone
enrnmeuplaces about pensions. He ought to know—
lecause ha has nu right to talk upon the subject with-
out informing himself about it—that pensions are ex-
trernelY limited in amount, and that they are only
given tar acknowledged public services. All those
abuses of sinecuree, of inordinate pensions, and of
zni3bestewed pensions, which existed in former times,
have been corrected, and the pension list has been
enormously reduced. It is true that pensions have not
bean tekett away from those to whom they were granted
for Hie, because that would have been a breach of faith,
but future pensions are not granted except upon
grounds which Parliament itself acknowledges to be
ust.—(llear, bear.) hlr.
Rowcliff says I voted for the
AJilitia Rill. As I have already explained to you, the
material difference between the Militia Bill which I op-
posed and the Militia Bill which I supported was that '