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intelligent and liberal minds. It would not do to maintain
their institutions by narrow-mindedness and bigotry ; but
if they could get young, able, and active representatives who
would forward the present and appreciate that which was
good in the time past, who were anxious to improve and
were not too anxious to destroy, they would be rendering a
great service to their country, and he looked with confidence
to the issue of the next election, as the verdict which the
country would pronounce between the Conservative and the
Liberal. (Cheers.) _

The Atrocious Murder on Plaistow-marshes.

ADJOURNED INQUEST.

Yesterday afternoon at 5 o'clock Mr C. C. Lewis, coroner
for Essex, resumed the inquiry at the Bell and Anchor
Tavern, near the Tidal Basin, Victoria Docks, into the cir-
cumstances attending the death of a German named Theo-
dore Christian Fuhrhop, who was found decapitated in the
Plaistow-marshes on the Bth inst.

The proceedings excited the utmost interest, and the
court was densely crowded.

The jury having answered to their names, the following
witnesses were examined :

Mrs Mary Ann Wade, residing at 4, Hoy-street, said
she and her husband, who is a blacksmith, has lodged about
five weeks in the house of Kohl, who is now in custody.
The murdered man also lodged in the same house. On
Thursday, the 3d inst., she saw Kohl and the deceased
man, who was known as John, go out together as near
possible at half - past 9 o'clock in the morning,
and Kohl returned by himself about four hours after-
wards, when witness observed that his clothing was very
dirty. He had mud on his back, and also upon his elbows.
As Kohl went through the passage witness observed to him
" Good gracious, Charley, where have you been to get that
mud ;" and he replied that he had been riding in a butcher's
cart, and he there got it. He then asked where his wife was,
and witness told him she had gone to the mangle. Kohl
then took a brush from the coal-cupboard and went into the
yard and brushed himself. He then went out again, and
said he was going to look after John. He returned about
half-past 3 o'clock, and witness asked him if ne had found
John. Kohl replied that he left him outside a sugar bakery,
which he entered, and when he came out again found that
he was gone. He also said that if John did not return in
two hours he should break his boxes open. His wife, who
was then present, said if they waited two hours they would
not be able to take the steamer for Germany, where they
intended going, and that it would then be too late to do so
on that day. Kohl, after waiting some time, said he should
go upstairs and break open John's boxes. He then took a
small poker, and told his cousin to go up with him and see
him break open the boxes. They both went upstairs, and
on their return Kohl said, " John won't come back again,
for all his clothes are gone." She asked if he was going to
Germany, and Kohl replid no, as he had no money. He
then went out again, and returned shortly after 5, when he
looked very ill. Witness had a hatchet which she frequently
lent to Kohl. She lent it to Kohl two or three days before
John was missing, and Kohl returned it on Friday, the 4th
inst , the day after John was missing. On that day she
went to Kohl for the hatchet, and he gave it to her. It was
not then in the same state as when she lent it to Kohl. It
had been painted, and Kohl said that the handle was loose,
and perhaps the paint would keep it more tight.

Thomas William Hudson, of 2, Richard-terrace, Library-
road, Plaistow Park, said he was a labourer, and on the
morning of the 3d inst. he was walking along the river
bank towards Woolwich, and when about 150 yards from a
red bed he saw the prisoner Kohl and the man known as
John coming along together. They passed witness, who ob-
served that they went into the marshes amongst the reeds.
John Atkins, an engineer, residing at 33, Story-street,
North Woolwich, said on the previous Wednesday week he
went to see the place where the body of the murdered man
was found. He went by himself, and saw the place where
the body was found, and then proceeded to the spot where
the head was found buried. He was returning, and when
about half-way between the two spots, he saw lying on the
soil the knife produced, which was shut. [The knife was a
small pocket-knife, with white handle.] He took it home
and showbd it to his wife, who, on inspecting it, remarked,
" Look at the hairs sticking out at the back." Witness then
observed two hairs in the back of the knife, which he re-
moved, and he then delivered the knife to Police•constable
Jackson, at North Woolwich.

Police-constable Jackson, 260 K, proved receiving the
knife produced from the previous witness, who told him
that he had found it near the spot where the murder was
committed.

Police- constable Henry Smith, 310 K, said on the night
of Wednesday week he received the knife produced from the
last witness, and delivered it to 91 K, with directions to
give it up at the Plaistow police-station.

Police-constable Martin, 94 K, proved receiving the knife
from Police-constable Smith, He returned home late that
night, and therefore kept it until the morning, when he
took it to the police-station, and gave it to Sergeant Bridge
land.

Mrs Eliza Whitmore, wife of Henry Whitmore, an engine
driver, stated that she resided in the house of Kohl', at 4,
Hoy-street, and had lodged there about five weeks. She last
saw the murdered man on the previous Thursday week,
the 3d instant. Sho saw him and Kohl leave the house to-
gether at half-past 9 o'clock, and Kohl returned by him-
self at half-past 1 o'clock, and he then went into the back
yard and brushed the mud off his clothes. Witness saw
Kohl again about three o'clock, end she then asked him if
he had found the young man. Kohl replied no, and wit-
ness then said she thought John had missed him on pur-
pose, and because he (John) had no money. Kohl said that
John had money, as he showed him XI 10s. on that morn.
ing. Witness asked Kohl if he meant to go to Germany
now John was lost, and he replied yes, end he then said
that he would go up stairs and see if John's boxes were
opon ; and he also said that if they were not open he would
open them. He then went upstairs, and on his return said,
" John will not come back, for he has nothing left in his
boxes." Kohl then went out again and returned shortly
after five o'clock. lie then looked very ill, so much so that
witness asked him if he had had anything to eat on that day,
when he replied that he had some dinner in London. Wit-
ness knew the knife produced, and she last saw it on Sunday
week—that is on the Sunday after John was missing, She
then saw Kohl in the kitchen with the knife. He was peel-
ing an apple with it. She had seen the knife before that,
as Kohl used it when he put up a roller for a blind in her
apartments. Kohl had stated that he lost the knife, and
asked witness if she had seen it, which she had not for some
days; and after John was gone Kohl said to her, " You
remember I asked you if you had seen a knife in your room?
I have found it in John's box;" and he then showed her
the knife, which she could swear was that produced. On
the night of Sunday, the 6th inst., Kohl asked witness's
husband to call him up at the same time that he himself
rose, which was about half-past 5 o'clock, and her husband
did so. Kohl got up and went out. He returned between
7 and 8 o'clock, and witness afterwards saw him reading a
book. She observed nothing particular in his manner on
that occasion.

Mrs Wade was then recalled, and answered various
questions corroborative of the evidence she gave on Satur-
day last before the magistrates at Ilford.
Joseph Skeldon said he was cousin to the wife of the pri-
soner Kohl, and on Thureday, the 3d inst., he went to
Kohl's house between 3 and 5 o'clock. Kohl told witness
that he had been out with John, and had lost him in Lon-
don. He then asked witness to go upstairs with hire, and
see him open John's boxes. There were two boxes—those
produced—and both were locked, and Kohl forced them
open. There were a few things in each of the boxes, such
as a pair of trousers, a shirt, and two or three collars. Kohl
said to witness, " John is gone to London, and will never
come back again." There Was a little white handled knife
in one of the boxes. It was like that produced, but he could
not swear to it.

Police-sergeant Clarke, of the detective force, said on the
morning of the 9th inst. he searched the house, No. 4, Hoy-
street, and received the chopper produced from the witness
Wade. In a box upstairs, in the prisoner's bedroom, witness
found four duplicates. The first referred to a petticoat and
shirt, pledged on October 17 for 3s, in the name of Wil-
liams, at Darlow's. The second, a ring, pledged for 5s on
Oct. 12, in the name of John Barrass. The third, two
shirts, pledged on Oct. 19, for 2s, in the name of Cole;
shawl, pledged on Oct. 11 for 6s, in
the name of John Cole. He found a p'stol in a drawer
and the fourth, a
downstairs, and
on searching the prisoner's pocket-book
found five duplicates relating to a waistcoat and hand-
kerchief pawned for ss, a coat and trousers for 12s, a coat
for 7s, a coat for 4s, and a coat for 2s. These were all pledged
in the name of John Cole, with the exception of the coat for
12s, which was pledged in the name of Scutch.
In reply to questions from the Coroner, the witness stated
that evidence would be forthcoming that the articles pawned
belonged to the murdered man.
Dr Letheby now stated that ho had not yet made an
analysis of the spots found on the hatchet and articles of
clothing, and it would bo some days before he should be
enabled to give the result.
The coroner said it was evident they would be unable to
arrive at a conclusion on that occasion, and as the case was
one of great importance, it ought not to be hurried. The
man in custody was a foreigner, and the charge against him
was of a most serious nature. It was a question with him
whether they ought to proceed further with the very impor-
tant evideece which was yet to be adduced unless the pri-
soner was present at the court. He would make application
to the proper authorities in order that this might be carried
out, and to prevent inconvenience as to the removal of the
prisoner he thought it would be the best course to adopt to
hold the next inquiry at Ilford Gaol.
After some conversation on this subject the inquiry was
adjourned until Wednesday next at eleven o'clock, when it
will be resumed at Ilford Prison.

[ADVERTISEMENT.] --Twofold Extraordinary Cure
Effected by Holloway's Pills and Ointment.—Mr J. Webb,
boot and shoemaker, Chapel-street, Cahircideen, Ireland,
writes under date January 10, 1863, that he had been
afflicted for 17 years with a most dreadful asthmatic cough
and shortness of breath, and latterly Was also subject to
benumbed sensations in his limb., attended with heavy
drowsy feelings, which threatened an apoplectic fit. In
alarm he consulted the most skilful of the profession within
many miles of his residence without avail, and fruitlessly
used every means recommended by friends, till he heard
of the repute of Holloway's remedies, and resolved, with
death staring him in the face, to give them a trial. They
immediately relieved him and ultimately cured him.

SPIRIT OF THE PUBLIC JOURNALS.

TIMES.—Our last intelligence from the Austra-
lian colonies encourages us to hope that no rash
steps are yet being taken there in reference to the
convict question. It is one of the difficulties of colo-
nial government, as Burke observed long ago, that
" months pass and seas roll" between the writing
of a despatch and the receipt of it, so that while a
colony is still angrily protesting against a supposed
grievance, the announcement of its intended redress
may be already on its way. We cannot but think
that a little more attention to this inevitable condi•
tion of correspondence with the Colonial-office
would have moderated the tone of the Australian
remonstrances on this subject. We never doubted,
however, that the strong aversion from any contact
with the convict element manifested throughout the
free colonies of Australia deserved and would re-
ceive the gravest consideration from the Secretary
of State for the Colonies. To entertain such a ques-
tion from the colonial point of view is in effect to
decide it in favour of the petitioners, for, whatever
rights may belong to the mother country, no English
statesman would think of enforcing them, for the
sake of an-object so trifling, against the public
opinion of large communities so nearly concerned.
We have now the pleasure of stating, what is no
longer a secret, that no such policy is contemplated
by her Majesty's Government, and that, subject to
the approval of Parliament, transportation to the
Australian Continent will cease within a limited
period. No one who has followed the published
communications between the Colonial Department
and Australia since the report of the Commission
on transportation and penal servitude will be ult.
prepared for this resolution. In January of the
present year the Duke of Newcastle, in pursuance of
a pledge already given, intimated to the Governors
of the Australian colonies the determination of the
Government not to carry out the main suggestion of
that report—that an increased number of convicts,
estimated at about 1,500 annually, should, during
the latter part of their term of punishment, be sent
to Western Australia, After vindicating the motives.
of the Commissioners, and adverting to the reasons
which had convinced them that such a measure
would inflict no injury on the other colonies, he
amply recognized the importance of the addresses
received from the latter, " as representing not only
the numbers, but also the property, the intelligence,
and the character of those communities, and as ex-
pressing not mere popular prejudice, but deep feel-
ings and moral convictions." He repudiated indeed
the Australian Monroe Doctrine, " that the settlers
in certain portions of a vast territory belonging to
the Crown have any general right to dictate what
shall or shall not be done throughout the whole of
it." But he promised that the number of convicts
thereafter to be transported should not exceed
the former average, which was little more than
500 annually; and ho consented to abandon
the system of conditional pardons. Moreover, he
distinctly pointed out that these concessions had
been made in deference to the wishes and interests
of the Eastern Colonies, thereby admitting the
superior weight of that consideration to ail others.
From these propositions the float discontinuance of
transportation to Australia is little more than a
logical conclusion. The limitation of number and
the abolition of conditional pardons failed to quiet
the apprehensions of the free colonies. They con-
tinued to reiterate all their old objections to any
transportation of convicts to the shores of Australia,
and they succeeded in showing that no precautions
had sufficed to prevent their immigration into their
own territories. Whether those complaints were
more or less exaggerated, and whether they were
expressed in terms more or less becoming, is a
secondary question. What Mr Cardwell had to
consider, on:succeeding to office, was simply whe-
ther imperial interests or those of Western Australia
were so involved in the maintenance of transporta-
tion that they ought to outweigh the discontent of
all classes of society in the rest of the continent. To
admit the first of these suppositions would almost
be equivalent to justifying the storm of thoughtless
indignation against English selfishness which has
been raised in Australia. If we transported gar-
rotters out of mere solicitude for the security of our
own throats, we should merit the more reasonable
of the loose imputations cast upon us. Every one
in this country knows that the revival of transpor-
tation was advocated on very different grounds
from this, and that it is only by a figure of speech
that it c in be attributed to a panic in the winter of
1862. One of these grounds, and by no means the
least material, was the earnest desire of Western
Australia to avail itself of convict labour. Remem-
bering that only 26 years ago the very same
feeling was loudly expressed in New South Wales
and other penal settlements, we cannot consent to
treat it with contempt when expressed by Western
Australia. At the same time no Government could
shut its eyes to the enormous disparity, numerical
and otherwise, between the promoters and the op-
ponents of Australian transportation. On the one
side we have a population of some 16,000, a revenue
of some /60,000, and a trade amounting in the ag-
gregate value of imports and exports to some
£300,000. On the other, we have a population of
some 1,330,000, including New Zealand, a joint
revenue of some £6,300,000, and a trade of some
£57,000,000. If Providence itself favours the
stronger battalions, Government must lean to the
more important interests. While the expediency
of gradually abolishing transportation to Australia
was under anxious discussion in the Colonial and
Home D.3partments a most interesting event was
reported to the Secretary for the Colonies by the
Governor of Western Australia. It was na lees
than the discovery of a fertile tract, containing be-
tween five and six millions of acres, in the North.
western part of that colony. Mr Panter, the leader
of the exploring expedition which opened out these
new plains, called the " District of the Glenelg,"
describes them as clothed with the finest pasturage,
capable of carrying upwards of 3,000,000 sheep,
besides forests of timber trees, and land available
for agricultural purposes. This discovery could not
fail to mark an epoch in the history of Western
Australia. When a now country is thrown open
for settlement in Australia the admission or non-
admission of convict labour becomes a matter of the
first moment, It is analogous to the alternative
between free and slave labour in the American ter.
ritories. If the latter be tolerated the former will
be repelled. It would have been possible,
no doubt, to place the new settlement un-
der different regulations from the old, but
had this arrangement been made the fetid now
existing between Western Australia and the Eastern
Colonies must have arisen in an aggravated form
between the North and South of Western Australia
itself. There was a judicious way, and one only, of
meeting the difficulty, and that was to cut the knot
of it and solve the convict question by the same
stroke. This is now to be done, and although it
must be some years before such a change can be
fully carried out, and come months before it can
even be sanctioned by the Legislature, we may
practically deal with it as a fait accompii. It re-
mains to find a substitute for transportation to
Australia, and it would be much to be regretted if
this inquiry should be hastily foreclosed. The
abandonment of Western Australia as a penal
settlement does nut dispose of the theory of penal
settlements, or answer any one of the many argu-
ments that have been advanced in their favour.
The comparative advantages of an additional con-
vict prison on a very large scale and of a new con-
vict establishment on some uninviting coast have
still to be balanced, If economy were the only thing
to be considered, and if turning thieves loose in a
densely peopled country were not a wasteful prac-
tice, we should keep our convicts at home, for the
prodigious expense of sending them across the ocean
is in itself one reason for giving up transportation
to Western Australia. Other elements, however,
must enter into the calculation, and among them
must be numbered the far more profitable invest-
ment which a newly-occupied country offers for
their labour. It was to this that New South Wales
owed its early prosperity, and there is significance
in the remarks of our Sydney correspondent on the
delicate reticence of society in that colony with
respect to convict ancestry. The sooner it becomes
a forbidden subject in the polite circles of Western
Australia the better for them, too, whatever incon-
venience may be felt ; and it is gratfying to know
that even this will be sensibly diminished by the
results of the recent discoveries.

POST,—The address with which the Viceroy of
Poland has opened the session of the State of Council
of that country recalls to our minds the sad trials
through which the most unfortunate of European
nations has recently passed. If the Hibernicism
might be permitted, we might say that Poland had
again received a deathblow, and again we might
reiterate the cry of "Finis Poloniae." There is
nothing so successful as success, and Gen. Berg may
bo excused for giving free vent to all the ecstasy of
self congratulation. Whether it be true to assert that
" the present Government of the kingdom is called
to the task of rebuilding the shattered edifice in
order to repair the damages Poland has inflicted
upon herself," it might be hypercritical to inquire ;
and whether the statement that the Russian Govern-
ment " belongs to the number of those in Europe
which are least in financial difficulties" is entirely
accurate, is a matter which concerns the Government
alone. The address of Gen. Berg, however, reminds
us that the time is not so very far dietant when
Poland actually stood in arms against her oppressor,
and when the National Government of the one and
the Imperial Government of the other issued mani-
festoes of a very different kind. The one was a pro.
clamation addressed to the Polish nation by the
National Government, the other a rescript of the
Czar, initiating a variety of educational reforms in

Poland. In both documents an appeal was made to
the sympathies of the people, in both a happy and
prosperous future was anticipated with confience,
and in both the true secret of national contentment
was stated to repose in the hands of those immedi-
ately interested in accomplishing such a result. But
nevertheless the language, the counsel, and the ap-
peals contained in the manifestoes of the established
and of the revolutionary Governments were entirely
different. "Pursue with unabated vigour the efforts
which for the past 18 months you have been making
to recover your national independence, and success
will reward your labours ;"—such was the language
of the secret Government which, notwithstanding
the apparent extinction of the insurrection, still
affected to direct the movements of the Polish
nation. "Dismiss intrigue, rest satisfied with the
form of government to which you are unavoidably
subjected, and permit your children, both sons and
daughters, to receive their education at the hands of
the State"—this was the language of the Imperial
Government. Though it would be scarcely probable
that either the Russian authorities on the one hand,
or the leaders of the Polish insurrection on the
other, could devise a means by which the ills of Pus
land could be effectively remedied, still the publicae
tion of manifestoes so totally different in their nature
naturally induced doubts as to the fitting policy for
the Polish nation to pursue at a time w hen, to all
appearances, it lay utterly helpless at the feet of
its mighty oppresser. Whether the Polish National
Government at present exists we cannot of course
pretend to say, nor are we in a position to deter-
mine with what justice, a short time since, they
might claim to be the exponents of the general
opinions of their countrymen. It has been the raise
fortune of the Poles that, although unanimous in
their hatred of Russians, they have not been of one
accord among themselves, and the successive leaders
of different national movements have not unfre-
quently regarded each other with feelings scarcely
different from those which they entertained for their
common foes. The principal object of the manifesto
recently issued was to show not only that the policy
pursued by the insurgent chiefs was radically wrong,
but that, late though it is, the Polish nation might
still, by adopting a different course,, vindicate its
national independence. Ia its inception the incur.
rectioo, we are assured, was set on foot, totally in-
dependent of all hopes of foreign intervention, and
the error subsequently committed consisted in its
being changed into an armed demonstration, with
the sole object of obtaining foreign intervention.
Any one, however, who considers the relative po-
sitions in which Russia and Poland stood must
feel convinced that, except by foreign aid, Poland
never could achieve her independence. The Poles
are brave, and in respect to numbers they are far
from contemptible; but the complete isolation
of their country would alone preclude the
possibility of success. In the recent insurrection
they bad not only the Russian Government to con-
tend with, but also those of Prussia and Austria.
They had not merely a foe to crush in the heart of
their country, but enemies to thwart who literally
encompassed them on every side. But despite the
hopelessness of their cause, the extraordinary value
of the prize for which they fought still cheered them
ou. They might be subdued, but they never could
acknowledge that they felt despair, and accordingly
the National Government, when the insurrection
was virtually at an end, once more called the Polish
people to arms, and, so far as promises could go,
ensured to them success as their ultimate reward.
It was difficult, however, to view this manifesto
in a serious light. If Poland hopes to secure her
independence without material assistance from
abroad, she will be disappointed, and the experience
of the past eighteen months ought to render it un-
necessary to tell her so. The Polish loaders might
be right in saying that if the Russian Government
continues to depopulate whole districts and trans•
port their inhabitants to the wilds of Siberia, and
if every individual whom the authorities choose to
consider as obnoxious can at will be driven into per-
petual exile, such a condition of things, so far as
regards its evil consequences, is not a whit better
than a state of war. But this would not prove that
it would even aggravate the horrors to which the
Polish nation was lately exposed. The Poles have
made a gallant struggle to shake off the Muscovite
yoke, and they have failed. It is unfortunate that
the result was not otherwise, but under the cir-
cumstances they have no other choice but to accept
their hard lot with what resignation they may.
Turning from the proclamation of the National
Government to the rescript lately issued by the
Czar, it would certainly seem as if the Russian
Government were desirous of adopting measures
well calculated to improve the social condition of
the Polish people. A most comprehensive scheme
of national education was devised, and schools
for both sexes were forthwith to be established
throughout the kingdom, It was proposed that these
schools should be of different classes, namely, supe-
rior, middle class, and elementary, and that the
language in which instruction was to be conveyed
should be that of the children frequenting them.
Poles, Russians, and Germans would be taught in
their respective languages, and the solo object of
the Government seemed to be to give to the rising
generation, no matter what its nationality, a sound
education. It is idle, however, to hope that the Poles
will not detect in these apparently beneficial inert.
sures some covert attack upon their independence.
They will doubtless argue that as Russia has hither-
to endeavoured to trample out every spark of intel-
ligence in Poland, and as a high order of education
does not predispose a people to accept despotic
institutions, the object of the Government must be
to train the rising youth in such a manner as to
obliterate those aspirations for liberty which have
hitherto led to ceaseless conflicts between Poland
and Russia. There can be no doubt that the Czar
hopes to see a more submissive generation succeed
that with which he has now waged so bloody a
conflict, but it is not clear that he intends to accom-
plish that end by unworthy means. The Czar is
probably sincerely desirous of seeing an amicable
union established between Russia and Poland, and
would willingly make any concession to the former
calculated to attain that end, without, at the same
time, enabling her to vindicate her independence.
if It is," as Lord Palmerston on one occasion ob-
served, " a groat misfortune to succeed to the
inheritance of a triumphant wrong," and some
allowance ought to be made for the difficulties of
the situation in which the present Emperor of
Russia finds himself placed.

Extraordinary Confession of the Murder of

a Police-Constable.

Edward Fisher, of 4, Stamford-place, East-land, Old
Kent-road, wire weaver, was placed at the dock, at the
Greenwich Police-court, yesterday, before Mr Maude,
charged, on his own confession, with having thrown Police-
constable John Butler, 135 M division, into tho Surroy
Canal, at 11otherhithe, whereby he was drowned on the 31st
August, 1862.
Mr Inspector Mooro attended to watch the caso on the
part of the Commissioners of Police. Tho coroner's jury,
at the time of inquiring into the circumstances attending
the death of the deceased had returned an open verdict of
"Found drowned."

David Robinson, sworn, said—l am in the employ of a
cab proprietor, and reside at 18, Thornton-square, Camber-
well. On Thursday evening last, I was at the Hope-Pole
beer-shop, Old Kent-road. The prisoner was there, and
asked me and my mate to have something to drink. We
sat before the fire talking, and seeing the prisoner had a cut
over one of his eyes I asked him what was the matter. The
prisoner said ho was coming along the Kent-road and
knocked up against some cups and saucers belonging to a
coffee-shop keeper; that a constable took him back to the
shopkeeper, who told the constable not to lock hint up, as
he could pay for it. The prisoner then asked me if I re-
collected a policeman being drowned about three or four
years ago, and he then said, " I was going over Mill Pond
Bridge with two or three others, when the policeman
wanted to lock us up, and I and the others pushed the con-
stable over the bridge." I asked the prisoner if he never
thought anything of it, and he replied, " Yes, I do. At that
time I was a very stout young man, but I have been wast-
ing away ever eince."
Mr Boustead (chief clerk)—Was the prisoner sober P
Witness—He had been drinking, but he was not drunk.
Mr Maude—What did you do when you heard this from
the prisoner Did you go to the police-station
Witness—l did not. I spoke of it to a cabman, who I
believe went to the police station.
William Skipper said ho was at the Hop Polo beer shop
with the last witness, and confirmed his statement as to the
conversation with, and admission of, the prisoner.
By Mr Maude—We had been half an hour sitting before
the fire when the prisoner commenced talking about the
policeman. I had before seen him in the house, but did not
ask who he was.

John Timothy Hughes, a detective officer of the M divi-
sion, said—From some information given at the chief police
office I was employed to apprehend the prisoner. Last
evening I met him in Surrey-square, Old Kent-road. I
called him by the name of Fisher. Ho turned round, and
I then asked him if his name was Fisher. He said " No,
my name is Jones." I told him he was accused of having
pushed a policeman into tha canal in August, 1862, when
the prisoner remarked, " It was only a lark, I did not mean
anything by it." I then took the prisoner to the station,
Mr Maude—Have you any other evidence ?
Hughes—There were some witnesses examined on the in-
quest, but I have not yet had time to get them here.
The prisoner, in answer to the magistrate, said he did not
know what he was talking about, as he was drunk at the
time. He recollected the policeman being drowned, having
first heard of the occurrence from a fellow-workman.
Mr Maude—Having made the statement sworn to, you
cannot complain if you suffer unjustly. It may turn out,
upon inquiry, that your conduct has arisen from a foolish
morbid feeling, but it is my duty to remand you until this
day week.
The prisoner was thou removed in Custody.

Primrose Hill Shakspeare Memorial.

At the usual weekly meeting of the Electit 1`,7
held on Wednesday at St. John's Gate, Clerkensfe::
Mr Richard Moore in the chair, the following r 4
ports were made :—The chairman reported that ,
council of the Amalgamated Engineers badehe
t
pressed a willingness to include some notice `llo
movement in their next quarterly report c),i
associated branches throughout the United
dom and the colonies, and the council would furtbet
supplement such notice by commendatory 0101;1
tions of their own. Mr G. L. Banks reportr
letter received from Messrs Falconer and Chatter
ton, of Drury Lane 'Theatre, to the effect t,hir
every person engaged upon or about that establi:ii4
ment—including the company, orchestral 6ceoto
artists, ballet, stage carpenters, property glen' a,
pernumeraries, money and check takers, boxkeelit
j'eci
cleaners, bill posters, &c., in all 1,198 persculf
left subscriptions in the Treasury on behalf %,
ri,
Shakspere Memorie.l Fund. Mr Alfred Shako4o.l
reported the result of an interview with the c).01
mittee of the Society of Compositors which 18:dgt
a most favourable character. Mr John Bainbri,
reported the formation of a committee in aid, tbt
parish of Islington. Similar committees scer'
course of formation in other districts. Mr /ilir;
Cremer reported that the experiment of elliPle
members of the Corps of Commissionaires as c°
tors had been most successful, and it was pr°l7:'t
to take advantage of the services of that b(le,
the fullest extent possible. Several new ple°llv,
having been added to the Honorary Council, an", 0
general committee, and other important bll.O
transacted, the meeting broke up.

LAW INTELLIGENCE—Nov. 5

COURT OF EXCHEQUER.
Sittings in Banco—(Before Lord Chief Baron rollo6l‘

Barons Bramwell, Channpll. and Pigott).
MILLER V. SILEE—BETTING MEN.
This action was brought by a commission agent eon bel,l
with the turf, to recover from the defendant, who Ord
ting booths at different races, a sum of £5O, which its '0
he lent him upon Epsom Diwns on the Oaks DaY4
plaintiff gave a very circumstantial account of the tr9".v;
action, but the defendant positively denied that he
for the loan or received the money. The trial took PiBe-tt
Cambridge before Mr Baron Bramwell, when the jut
lieved the defendant's story, and gave a verdict for itr
During the present term Mr Keane, Q C., on behalf °f`ii
plaintiff, obtained a rule to set aside the verdict andei
now trial, and it now came on for argument. It APPe„"
from the plaintiff's affidavits that he gave the mollel:d
defendant in notes, but took no receipt, and that a° Al
these notes had been traced to a person named GreY'
said he had obtained them from the defendant 01° of
after the Oaks, but refused to make an affidavit
effect, on the ground that it was a transaction betoor,
betting men, who settled their disputes without re°
to law. ,
Mr Metcalfe, on behalf of the defendant, showed olt
against the rule, and submitted tbat tho plaintiff 0115 a
have given his evidence:as to the notes at the trial,
having omitted to do so the defendant ought not to
posed to the risk and expense of a new trial.
The Lord Chief Baron—Does Gray make an al.--,Thioit
the part of the defendant ?
Mr Metcalfe—He makes an affidavit on neither side'
Mr Keane said ho could have applied to one eft#
lordships to compel him to make an affidavit, b_44
plaintiff allowed the four days allowed by the Ow,
that purpose to pass by without taking any steps
matter. i4Mr Baron Bramwell--Do you, Mr Metcalfe,
affidavits, give any explanation of this matter ss
notes P

Mr Metcalfe said he did not.
The Court said that under those circumstance
must make rule for a new trial absolute—the costa t°
the event.
Rule absolute.

COUNTRY MARKETS.

ISTOL—T .
21°1
A fair supply BEnglish wheat HURSDAY
which met a 0 -cop..,
at the prices at last week. Foreign held for an au;olw.,
6d per qr, which prevented sales. Malting barley'
supply, the better kinds scarce, and at fully late tar'
ees
ferior dull, and fully Is per cheaper. Oats in tair,de
end no dearer than last week. In beans, maize, a'
articles a moderate trade doing.

BURY ST. EDMUND'S—WEDNESIO; to,
There was a large supply of wheat at this malnio
which sold freely at last week's rates. The .ho",,V
was very largo, anti inferior sorts were fully 26 ph'
cheaper.

BIRMINGIIAM—TuunsaIY.
A slow demand for English wheat in our market yr
pp
with an increased supply from the dealers, but yera,
from farmers. Last week's quotations were not
lower, Fine barley in better inquiry, and at roclrreffi,%
In oats, beans, and peas about previous rates wc'oo,,'
—English wheat was sold at 40s to 44s for whit!-',;
to 40s per 36 stone for red, Barley, new nialtli;to";
36s per qr ; grinding, 23s to 265. Oats, old, re,,pel
per 30 stone ; 198 to 245. Beans, 44s to sv"
peas, 38s to 40s per 36 stone.

MANCHE STER—THURSDAY. o'2
There was a thin attendance at our market hPleofoi,
ing, and fine English wheat ruled firm, but otherepo".o,
well as foreign, were neglected. Flour was ratlicrop,,
only the beet sorts supported last week's prices. eOv
steady, and oatmeal must be noted at rather Dior
Beans and Indian corn unaltered.

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EDINBURGH GRAIN—WEDNEspO', i
To. day there was a small supply of country Vt 'he
met a heavy sale at late rates. 9,1
Wheat on the top 5s Od down average 15
tid
Barley on the top is 6cl down average 00 134
Oats on the top 2s Od down average 0
Beans on the top Os 6d down ..average 40
Total Supply and Sales. 0
Wheat ... 773 qrs Sold 459 (11.3
8ar1ey........31b0 qrs Sold 167611,0
Oats
Beans lO3 qrs Sold 9 4
Average Prices. 19
Wheat.,
Barley 27s Od I 8ean5.......... 3.:•ai '
Town. made flour sells as follows :—White, 1
superfine, 355; superfine, 335; fine, 31s.

GL ASG W—WEDNESDAY. deApp
At this day's market the wheat trade was 1139cipei0
tone, and held for late rates. Barley dull, and pi,„ '4l
cheaper. Oats firm, but there was an inactive 01%;f1P'
steady. Beans and peas ware the turn in favour
Maize was easier.

Foreign Mail Packet List•

MAILS DUE. /40'11
Australia and Mauritius, via Southampton...o ''Ve4'
via Marseilles: ....... '' 907,1
Brazil and Cape 'Verde, by British packet. ...• "1401
Cape of Good Hope, Ascension, and St. He100"1,10'4
China, Penang, and Singapore, via Southampto3'soll
via Marseilles 0' 1
Falkland Islands .... ..i./Offll
Gibraltar via Southampton ................. 'DP i
India (Calcutta), and Ceylon, via Southaniptop•'.o6i
via Marseilles.o'/,4,1
India (Bombay), via Southampton ........... ' pi° i
via Marseilles ...... ...lip

•,-
Portuga 1....
Malta, Egypt, and Adcn, via Southampton .... 'PI i,
via Marseilles ....... ',To
Newfoundland
Oporto and Vigo
U. S. and British N. America, by ii;i1:;:aa.0;::::14°I;
by U.S. packet..•*%.lo' I
by Canadian paclse pl,
W.C. of Africa, Madeira, and Teneriffe ........ .:I,•° '
West Indies and Pacific .. ..... • ..pec
Bahamas (via New York) ............. ' /4,,
Bermuda (ditto)
...........
2, i
Cuba and Mexico ......................... . i

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Births. jsll.
BLITHE.--On the 16th inst., the wife of 1310116 r 410
Esq., of llerne-hill, Surrey, of a son, t 'll°
BOWLBY.—On the 16th inst., at Sandhurst?
DI: Bowlby, 64th Regt., f a daughter. 03011
INGLE.---On the 16th inst., at 2, Tho Grove, r3c
Lee, Mrs. J. B. Ingle, of a son.
1. if° Qi
NAPIER:7Ou tha 16th inst., at Southsea, 4.6

Gerard J. Napier, R,N,, of a daughter.
Marriages. 00l
4 liti
CATHCART---HENEAGE.—On the 15th inst., 0 0 1
0 .7sO

Piccadilly, Florence Margaret Isabella, 00,114;ott
Sir John and Lady Eleanor Cathcart, tolo"
Heneage, of the Coldstream Guards. rmiettels
FULLER—Ho WLETT.—On the 16th inst., at.- oettl
Brixton, Samuel B. Fuller, 61, Pall-mall, ',DI 40°'
rietta, eldest daughter of Mr. Howlett, of ),-
10
Deaths. .00 Cot
BEGBIE.—On the 16th inst., at 6, Arlingtotsrdi Art .
Peter James Begbie, Major-General Dlaur— Pi
aged 60. 610/41,P
BORTHWICK.—On the 13th inst., at Great lop.- Jo
garet, widow of the late Peter Borthwie
Corti
Wei' $
Evesham, aged 69. roviov' 010
DAVEY.—On the 16th inst., at Redruth, v°-
cetito‘
Davey, Esq., aged 80. freciat
HOUSTOUN. —On the 16th inst ,atT or qual, 0 V 1
of the late Sir Robert Houstoun, N.C'''''
ton, N.B. t ,3 illay
HOWTH.—On the 14th inst., at Torqualt,-1:1f 10,41,e
St. Lawrence, third daughter of the ilarlyillir6s,
PEMBERTON.-0/1 the 15th inst , at 10, age
Lowndes-square, Henry Pemberton, B 14"

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