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you meet the difficulty by the present proposition?—
(Rear, hear.) I think the Hen. Gentleman, with the
IPiaWa he entertains, was justified in bringing forward
•Shisquestion--with his views I think he would be taking
*justifiable zed legitimate course if he proposed to legis-
late on the subject: But if there is this appeal to the pre-
latehrstiperior, I think the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
will agree with me that it should first be had recourse
tto.--..-(flear.) If he 'thinks no such power of appeal
exists, then I imagine the Hon. and Learned Gentleman
must feel that the proposition he makes is totally ina-
dequate. to cope with the subject.—(l-1 ar, hear.) But
`lndw address myself merely to the motion of the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman, without wishing to give any
Opinion as to the merits of the important case he has
brought before us. Far be it from me to vindicate the
vanduct of any clergyman who can be shown to have
behaved in the manner alleged against Mr. Bennett.
-.do not presume to offer any opinion on this
important'subject, for I feel that this is not the tribunal
in which to decide the case.—(Hear, hear.) I feel the
inconvenience of the House listening to the statement of
the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, made with ability,
141 d, as I era willing to admit, conscientiously. A Chin-
mission of inquiry without power to elicit the required
information is a mockery to which it would be unwise
of the House of Common to lend itself: It is of the tit-
. Zboat• importance that such an inquiry should be reel
and efficient, and that a Commission should have corn-
Patent power to elicit the truth.— (Hear, hear.) Ido
not think, therefore, the Hon. and Learned Gen.leteao
will think it necessary to press this particular reselu-
tion, which I admit he was perfectly justified in bringing
forward, as it refers to a subject of great importance to
*ll classes of her Majesty's subjects.—(Hear, hear.) Ii
is quite impossible that the conduct which he has al-
leged should not be the subject of comment and explana.
tient and that whatever may be the merits of the case,
the discussion should not be productive of public advan-
tage. But I must recur to the subject with which I set
Oilt-4hat a remedy for such a grievance as is here al
leged either does or does not exist. If the remedy ex-
ists, as I think it does, in an
stiappealctionto
the
ee
itrucihnbgieolitotaa
the House will not, I think, a
Commission of inquiry, which can have no power
to . elicit and secure the information it wishes
to attain.—(Hear, hear.) If, on the other hand, no
remedy does exist, it surely is the duty of Parliament to
legislate on the subject, and provide a remedy. But a
Commission such as that proposed, without the neces-
sary powers to fulfil its task, would disappoint public
expectation, and whilst it would lead to protracted dis-
(Hcussions, would not secure the settlement we desire.—
ear.) And let me also pressupon the attention of
the_ House that by acceding to the motion of the Hon.
and Learned Gentleman we should be only evading the
difficulty. We should be establishing a precedent
which you may be cure would be found a source of per-
?anent difficulty and embarrassment.—(Hear. hear.)
If you adopt this resolution, I cannot understand how
a tingle clergyman could be instituted to a living with-
tit tile ROUSS of Commons interfering with and chal-
lenging his induction.—(Hear, hear.) In every in
.stance what would you do? You would address her
Majesty, praying her to institute an inquiry into the
Propriety of the induction. So that if you adopt this
tesolution you will establish a mischievous precedent
Without effecting a beneficial settlement of the
grievances and difficulties of which you complain.
(Rear, bear.) I trust, therefore, the Hon. and Learned
Gentleman will be satisfied with having amply, corn-
teetelY, and ably brought before the House a subject
g
j very reat im and that he is sfied
fat the persons conpnectedortance, with these transactions can-
?lot avoid placing their conduct fairly betore the public.
.t. t
the result of this discussion must be to have an Rittrust that the Hon. and Learned Gentleman, feeling
c-
ote and complete view of all the circumstances of the
11711eaction—that it is his duty, owing to the position he
taken in this question, either to have recourse to
4,7.!etnedy which the law supplies, or it the law sup-
;,;leno remedy, to propose one to the Legislature. I
press
trust the Hon. and Learned Gentleman will nut
ihdliteto a division a resolution which I feel sure would
le! be Pregnant with great inconvenience sod ember-
Ciiihent to our future deliberations. I beg, therefore,
;Ito Move the previous question.
herr a VERNEY hoped the Hon. and Learned Mem-
ee'reweotild not accept the invitation and advice ja-t ten-
et,. ° to him, but would persist in his motion. It
eh: Preposterous to maintain that the head of the
r°ll had no power to cause the necessary inquiry to
belastituted, and he altogether deprecated the question
p:shelved in the manner proposed.
Qeo`tr, R• H. INGLIS fully agreed with the Honourable
401*M/in (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) that the
0,410 of Commons was not a fitting tribunal to adjudi-
se, °Pon this subject, and that if they once admitted
etthlrinciple that a grievance with respect to the in-
k. I°ll of a particular individual could be legitimately
pioti_ bef
ore them, occasions on grounds more or less
a(tfule would be found for preferring similar claims.
fecieeOri hear.) Granting for a moment that a print
eoeate had been made out for inquiry, he defied them
thatman eBt the Position of the Right Honourable Gentle-
of the .14 ease could not end there. The adoption
lepp,:tenolution would be a mere brutum fulmen, for
One the Commission to be appointed, did any
841311°80that r
otimion „„, the parties imp mated in this die-
one hrtui-erta succumb to a tribunal issued by only
tioese.
ofof the Legislature?—(Hear, hoar.) The
4fallonrabb, Commons did not consist, as an
aember% of th utetuber had supposed, entirely of
e c
!al I:were not e horeh of England—(Hear, hear)—and
dOetrines quallY interested in maintaining the titer-
Were not
a
trii3o..f that Church.—(Hear, hear.) They
nirectld , anal to which any English churchman
eterehizon, giY aubeeit his faith or his practice as a
111,14 hOpZ(aear•) The House consisted possibly,
tre, e,,zoinan and believed it did, of a majority of mem-
all eventa, and eon6ibtently p.ttached
th th 6 huree?' at
net the _of England; but would it be contended
rest, Parties
of Commons was a tribunal to which
?hied eet'',3, could appeal? Who in that House repre-
;ll,B:o4.7lls,::s.sittehnanentdt, the parishioners of Procne, the
VVells, and the Bishop of L'indon?
celled euutn,lon assumed the guilt of the parties it was
°llesidin to adjudicate. The facts as set forth were
PPropoilit. and could sot be met with an antagonistic
ie .4. Tin authorised to be presented—(Hear)—and he
241 stases %lb.) was of opinion that the House would
"retie net marge its duty, and prevent its becoming the
SO aUbh d' •
divj • 'sensuous in future, by proceeding at once,
74ned Bion as to whether this motion should be enter-
ir not.
(1)f 002;VAIIT, while he was of opinion that the Hou4e
°IONI4 ought not to be made an authority on theo-
poeuict
seeubjeets, recognised it as the power which
re t the proper tribunal in motion, and he there-
/qr. cone
the original motion.
ported ,hURE (amidst cries for a division) also sup.
R4e.r.
tidel p. 4 4WDGATE felt deeply the importance of
eni-8:11t question. and, as it had been raised, fully
le the necessity of dealing with it. Daring
*hioh.Ptt! of Years the powers of the Censtitudun by
g,45 luestion could be settled might have lapsed
emend sonata, but depend upon it the country would
L_iteed
ue investigation of the subject—(Hear, hear)—
iterne"..°._Fn he desired to leave to her Majesty's Go-
-7eted:',lnemanner in which the investigation Atould be
"Mho he did not think the public would r. at satisfied
tine„ ineeatigation. He thought that this clues-
-1,er.,62‘ '43 be exernined into, and he hoped that the
feed , Went would be enabled to propose some other
soro era °f inquiry than that. moved by the Hon. Member
s'°°ltermouth
Enee, awl , • As an independent Member of that
ontßiaod,
re
was attached to the Church of
4,118 inquir!
8. as sincerely anxious that a full and search-
bould be made into this matter. He asked
Florae
not to ignore the proposition before them
441Plity, tipliMesting some practical means by which her
kittht beabartLtherity as temporal head of the Church
a, Sir J, 1,4",c2.,Rht to hear upon the subject.—(Elear.)
o‘tOn had of
said he thought that this ques-
:fight not to' be
only been raised, but it was one which
11 °Pinion that ireapi"d; but having been raised, he was
said for bleaselfu, ttdtiolebe dealt with.—(Hear, hear.)
believed he spoke the send-
Zais of the Government
Tetion which, in the p„lftionner°llY, that this was a
ri(l4d, ought not to have been raised
'inch it was now
toinawtta.etidueLlbut tong the same
here ht un-
ri„a° it was one in reference
Neationably to be an inquiry
time he must
tievritled.—(Elear, hear.) At the same, a':ct a remedy
as a sincere and
4142 not only as a member of the Government., but as a
Nettie...bee of that House, and above all
was %ill 'hied member of the Church of England, it w •,,
tiolare opinion, after having listened with P 4inful
ko to the statement of tho Hon. Member for COckeeit.
ire h, that the mode of inquiry proposed was not the hie
bet's they ought to adopt. He would briefly explain bee
l the Ron 51
heei 4s. for this opinion. He would cal ontO co.
tinetention to the fact that his resolution goes solely
it in • the conduct of the Bishop of Bath
hee,. question
Mr. Bennett to the
414,1%ne in having instituted
gemProcne —(lear hear.) They could not fail to
tubknown, that the Bishop
Beth What was already we
4,rh but
i Wells was not only advanced in years,
atil-c" Unpaired in health. He could not vindicate
,o°llduct of the Bishop, but it appeared to him that
I,llhti:luct was not the real question which the Hon.
Zegefan 'hate raised. The real question was, the
retekeeeduct of Mr. Bennett at Kissingen, which de-
Ar Ceei4° inquiry.—((fear, hear.) The Hon. Member
sh
pre:lloh th had stated all the facts of the case
thltii7gto°t Particularity. It appeared to. him (Sir J.
14„14) b), 11 the Hon. Gentleman's statement was true,
tile; 'uennett must be regarded as a Roman Catholic,
It!hteeeeirre entirely unfit to hold his present appoint-
elreber`,:nr, hear.) But he submitted to the Hoc.
.11P0 "At so farthey knew they had no reason to
t„ ea the. as
." the conduct of Mr. Bennett at Kissiogen
•41 we
iivi to the Bishop at the time of his institution
ti'he ng at Frome. On the contrary, he believed,
i°tte of
the ea t poe so were investigated, that the cir-
Viol?
o`ol his institution to Frome was the means of
°teeth° M •
t what had °canted at Kissingen.—(lleur.)
th 114 flatten of the Hon. Member did not touch the
° Mr
%tr • Bennett Kissingen. Looking, then, at
,t tv eize
eilleeteuso inconvenience of bringing these cases before
le„_°saiehau!'eenemens, and making them the subject of
t, It pre
.Itr that linuv unless under circutneeinc ts of
to batik asing necessity,he: e e • •
e th thought it most unadvisable
fto e teerp '•• ON th matt of Mr. Bennett to the living,
111 he "übjeot
kat do_ of motion.—(Hear, hear.) Be-
ehee'&oll- cre wit he must advert to what had tattoo from
14 *it did,,,tietnan in respect to the Bishop of London.
t'efitiPoia nuutilPoPl3 to come within his own knowledge,'
goet'lleti to ts,inritY he could not doubt, that there was
%VP% theunw that the Language of the Bishop of Lou-'
e toe Oteui
that i f on referred to conveyed so strong an
113114 re that were known to the Hon. Gentleman he
43.2- non. Gentleman would not evince the
,ollitieeultion to complain of the Right Reverend
kllleeettitnees eat in this. mutter,—(Hear.) Under the
e to tat. 11° had mentioned, be telt that the riebt
? 444 .6 Was not th
ehi., he hoped that at proposed by the Hon. Mem-
' ithit flys._ he would not tresq the House to
I 44 to
' it. At the same time he trusted that.,
"'"I Fund= 'th t
• Bosse' would be raffieieg 1