The Sun.
London, England, 1864-07-07 00:00:00

LtIPERIAL PARIIAREENT

ROUSE OF COMMONS---Yesterday.
The SPEAKER took the chair at twenty minutes pas
twelve o'clock.

PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The Lords' amendments to the Wisbeach Weer and
Stockport and Ashton Roads Bills were considered and
agreed to.

The Hayliege Railway Bill was read a third time and
passed.
TRESPASS (IRELAND) BILL.

The house went into committee on this bill.

Oa clause 1

Mr BA.GWELL said he had opposed this bill is all its
stages, because he believed it to be both unjust and im-
politic. It was unjust, because it took away that chide
belonged to the tenants and gave it to the landlord, anti im-
politic because it would add one morelnc;entiva to a or sae in
A country which had long been pre-eminent for that mis-
fortune. The game laws were so unpopular in En 'land
that many of the most extensive landowners in EWand
had long given up the game preserving, and Sir Henry
Verney gave strong evidence against such a practice before
a committee that had considered the matter, and some ether
authorities had expressed similar opinions. True, there
had been no petitions presented against the bill, but it was
a matter of extreme difficulty to obtain a public expreresion
of opinion now in Ireland, whether it was upon the game
laws or upon a matter that had occupied their attention
for the last two evenings. The effect of the measure would
be to introduce the game laws of this country, with all its
crime and misery, into Ireland, and he for one would :never
consent to such a proposition. A return had been made to
the house within the last few weeks, which showed that the
convictions for offences against the game laws amo anted
during the six years from 1857 to 1862 to no less than
30,673, and in Sootland for the same period to 3,226, He
had in no way exaggerated the figures 'set down
in the return, but every member could satisfy
himself of the accuracy of the figures by consulting
the document itself. In order to get rid of the bill alto-
gether, he should move that the chairman do now leave the
chair.

Mr. DA WSON thought an erroneous impression existed
with respect to the objects of this bill, and he therefore
should oppose the motion.
Mr M'CANN condemned the bill as ono calculated to in-
flict the greatest injury upon Ireland. When ho looked
around at the state of the house, he found that, with. two
exceptions, every English member was absent. (Order,
order.)
The SPEAKER interrupted the hon. member, and told
him he must centine his observations strictly to the motion
before the house.

Mr WMAIION thought that the hon. member was not
infringing the rules of the house; however, he would at
once bow to the decision of the chairman. He objected to
the measure, and therefore he should support the motion
for defeating the bill.
Sir C. O'LOUGHLIN suggested that the bill should be
withdrawn, as there appeared no prospect of its being passed
this session. He must say he, was in favour of the prin-
ciple of the bill, but the great distance of time since its first
introduction had caused several hon. members to think that
it would not be proceeded with during the present session.

The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for Ireland said the bill
would occasion a great alteration in the law in Ireland, and
therefore, before such a circumstance occurred, it ought to
receive the greatest consideration.

Mr 0. GORE supported the bill, which he thought was
but fair towards both landlord and tenant.

Mr MONSELL suggested that a compromise might be
arrived at by accepting the amendment of the hon. member
for Youghal. The amendment would give to persons
having property in game a means of asserting their right.
Mr LONGFIELD was of opinion that much benefit
would result from the passing of the bill.
Mr. M'MAHON said the bill of 1831, in its retrospec-
tive clause, introduced a great anomaly into England. It
was one of the last ac's of the unreformed Parliament, and
although it was a " trespass" bill, it was in fact a game-law
bill. Ho thought it interfered with the fee farm rents in
Ireland, and that it should not be allowed to go :on with
until the people of Ireland had had an opportunity of con-
sidering it.

After few words from Mr. BAG TELL,
Sir G. GREY suggested that the bill should be consi-
dered pro forma, in order that it might be re-printed.
Colonel DUNNE supported the bill, because it appeared
to him that the opposers of it knew nothing of the law on
the matter.

Mr M'CANN said the bill was introduced to Parliament
about five months ago, but the alterationaproposed entirely
altered the intentions of the bill.

The house then divided, when there appeared—
For the motion 29
Against it
Majority agafnst the motion —44

Sir C. O'LOUGHLIN, in the ab,,ence c't the hon. mem-
ber for Youghal, moved the amendment which stood in his
name to the first clause.

A confused discussion ensued upon the amendment pro-
posed, and certain additions that were to be made to it after
it had passed, when
Mr ROEBUCK said he put it to the house wliether they
were in a position to legislate on this matter. Re thought
it would be well to have the whole bill reprinted as it was
proposed to stand, and then it would be possible to under-
stand what was intended. In its present confused state it
was impossible to understand anything. (Hear.) Even
the clause which several considered perfect was wrong.
Mr 0. GORE—No, no.
Mr ROEBUCK—Why, the hon. member is going to
I make another amendment to the clause after the present
one is agreed to, so if it was not wrong there would be no
need to do so. (Hear, hear.) He hoped the proposers of
the bill would not continue to thrust it on the consideration
of the house in its present incomplete state merely for the
purpose of dragging it through committee.
Sir G. GREY said he had made the same suggestion an
hour ago.
Mr ROEBUCK said that, in order to put an end to the
confusion, he would move that the Chairman report pro-
gress.

The house then divided, when there appeared—
I' o: tho motion
Against it
Majority —l7
The discussion upon the amendments to clause 1 was
then resumed.
Mr BAGWELL urged the hon. member to accede to
the suggession of the Government, viz., to pass the bill
through committee pro forma, in order that the bill might
be reported. If such a course were not adopted, he should
avail himself of every form of the house to oppose the pro-
gress of the bill.
After some discussion, the amendment of the hon. mem-
ber for Youghal was withdrawn, and th 3 first clause was
agreed to.
Clause 2 was struck out. ti

On clause 3,
Mr EKG WELL said ho was afraid this clause went
further than even the English law.

Mr M‘MAI/Oli said he could never consent to make
the killing a wild duck in Ireland an offence against the
game law, vi.hi]st it was not so considered in England.
Col. SYKES said the attempt to make this act worse
than the English one was monstrous.
On the motion of Sir C. O'LOGHLIN, the word "rab-
bits" was omitted from the clause.

Mr M'MAHON objec;ed to the addition of the word
" woodcock" at the end of the clause. He denied that
woodcocks could be properly considered as game; it was a
migratory bird, and could not properly be considered the
property of any one. He moved that the word woodcock
be omitted.

Col. SYKES said it was rid.;culous to say that wild
ducks, widgeons, and teal were game. They were for six
month out of tha twelve the property of the Esquimaux,
and he would like to know how woodcocks and ducks, &e.,
could be considered a property, and subject to protection.
The house then divided on Mr M'Mahou's motion,
when tharo appeared—

For the motion
Against it
Majority —s3
It was then moved that the words wild duck, widgeon,
and teal be added to the clause.

Mr M'AIAHON objected to the proposal.
Mr WATKIN said it appeared to him to be absurd to
endeavour to make that property on land which, as long as
it remained at sea, was not.

Mr M'CANN said the landlords not only claimed the sea
shore as their property, but they actuilly prosecuted people
for walking on it. He knew en instance where men had
been actually charged a rent for fishing on it.
The conaufittee then divided, when there appeared—
Ayes
Noes
Majority
The words were then added, and the clause as amended
was ordered to stand part of the bill.

Clauso 4 was agreed to.
A new clause to defies the terms " legal occupier" and
" trespasser" was then moved and agreed to; but on the
question that it be added to the bill the committee divided,
when there appeared—

Ayes
Noes 27
Majority
passed
The clause was added to the bill, which than
through committe.
PUNISHMENT OF RAPE BIL
thisL.
On the motion for going into committee on bill,
Sir C. O'LOGIILIN moved that the house go into com-
mittee that day three months.
Mr ROEBUCK seconded the motion. He thought that
when a matter of great importance in connection with the
law of England was under discumon, the Secretary of the
llome Department and the Attorney-General ought to have
been present ; and he also objected that a bill of the descrip.
tion then under the notice of the house should have been
brought forward without the co-operation of the Govern-
ment. why, the bill was only advocated by those who
I..inciples on which the law or
were palpably ignorant of thc
punishment was funded, The present measure, they
were told, had come down from the House of Lords.
virlq, he was ashamed of the House of Lordo—(la ghter)---

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