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whethlihether strictly the Government were justified in
er
bee " any grant; eeenee that. 30,000/. akeedy
IA 11 voted, he telt, though sympathising as much as any
erachtm with the sufferers, bound to oppose the motion
ssthe Hon. Member.'
Gull% HERBERT thought that as the Right Hon.
entlemen the Chancellor of the Exchequer could not
et, .
have had time to consider all the details of the ques-
tun, it would have been better if the Hon. Member for
~at)lin had delayed a little bringing the question for-
ts
inoard• He did not deny that, in the present case, the,
had arisen f want of ability and want of
Ileum from the it to be
s on the part of the trustees; but ought
hod
rillsd taken
o,wthsyat the Act passed by the House in 1844
the responsibility of the tru.teefe and
wad not given any protection to the depositors against
that
of honesty on the part of trustees. He admitted
ha.:there was no case in which depositors in savings banks
been compensated by the Govercment in case of
fedora'c but he might remind the Chancellor of the Ex-
t.:quer that compensation had been granted to the suf-
;eta by the Exchequer-bill frauds ot 1842. True, they
re rich merchants, and not pour men. He had heard
with satisfaction that the whole subject was to receive
the attention of the Government. That being the case,
ilu
Zwould advise the Hon. Member for Dublin to with-
"Tv his motion for the present. •
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL for IRELAND re-
Zliettiended the Hon. Member for Dublin to withdraw
etaotion, and said a few words in explanation of the
talihions he had expressed on the question. He still re-
ed those opinions, and had formed them in conse-
quence of the admissions in the report that the Commis-
tii
antra for the Reduction of the National Debt had not
erciaed the powers with which they were entrusted.
NO question was of more importance to the community
Lualt that of savings banks, and he rejoiced to know that
bChancellor of the Exchequer was about to direct
attention to the subject. He hoped—indeed he had
t,,
eason to believe—that arrangements were in contempla-
tion for putting those institutions on a basis which would
free that security to depositors to which they were en-
titled. Under these circumstonces he rocommended
the Honourable Member for Dublin not to press the
tootion to a division.
Mr. HUME concurred with the Right Hon. and
Learned Gentleman, that the loss in this case had arisen
r°lll the fault of the public officers. That being the
lie, the responsibility in his opinion fell ultimately on
asGovernment. As the Chancellor of the Exchequer
told them that the whole question would be consi-
e,ted. he recommended the Hon. Member for Dublin to
Wlihdraw his motion.
sbsir H. WILLOUGHBY was one of those who bad
? eted to the late Chaucellor of the Exchequer paying
Teee,
grant of public money on the ground of charity.
-01noliediuuerti tor the Reduction of the National
Inad neglected their duty in allowing the bank to re-
-14.1 deposits when they ought to have, known that it was
IpLe'vent. Having already voted 30,0001.. the Howie
47bontid, he thought, to vote the remaining 34,0001.
tee would divide with the Hon. Member for Dublin if
‘Preased his motion to a division, but after what had
°said he would advise the Hoe. Gentleman to with-
draw
h.
40111
Alr• SCULLY thought the motion was one which
Coal hot with justice be resisted. The retort of the
Itoodinkttee showed that the Cuffee-street Savings Bank
nee; 'n a different position from the other cases of
,D.ge banks which had failed. The grant of 30.000/.
ass,sl) Was an admission that such was the case. Triers
Glee same grounds now as in that year, for grant-
eieniPeneation, and if the Hon. Member divided he
Itti vote with him.
lase the statement
said he had heard with much plea-
tlAt bee statement of the Chancellor of the Exchequer
tell the whole question of the savings banks was to be
1 considered by the Government, but he regretted to
farmed the
Right Hoe. Gentleman declaring that he re-
fismild the case of the depositors in the Cuffe-street
If ltilhgtßank as finally settled by the grant of 30,0001.
et loam been thought right to grant that sum, he was
to conceive why the remaining 10s. in the
kiveutihOlild be refused. His Hon. Colleague might
brought
that question prematurely before. the.
et tk • but that circumstance could not affect the justice
time case.
keitt*,W• WILLIAMS said it appeared to him to be
tlett„-"esitable that the Government should without any
teekitflke into their consideration the expediency of
kitio—g a change in the existing law with respect to
dee_ gabanks, in order to protect the public as well as
resit°
~keh,'...YNOLDS replied. If the Chancellor of the
etaih-`qiier would give him an assurance that he would,
tlfles-tF the present session of Parliament, reconsider that
eteu,:en Without pledging himself to any particular
leek-ejith respect to it, he (Mr. Reynolds) should not
%sera- "'s motion to a division; but without some such
Illoalaufe on the part of the Right Hon. Gentleman, he
Lick, "',,eem it his duty to divide the House on the ques-
Itemas_Qe found on the benches opposite seven Hon.
Net re Who had voted with him on that subject in the
bet se bO, Among them was the Noble Lord the Mem-
Ittit rTyrone (Lord C. Hamilton), the Hon. and Gal-,
btu, ‘,loriel the Member for Portarlington (Colonel
,Nalilsel, the Honourable Member for the University of
ttos, (Z(tfir. G. A. Hamilton), and the colleague of that
ble Member, the Attorney-General for Ireland.
lad latter Honourable and Learned Gentleman
r .11Protnised his constituents at the period of his
olki,„"tion that be would continue to advocate the
tlef these depositors; he had also pledged himself
tioa7 (Mr. Reynolds) that he would second that mo-
th‘t and like an honourable and honest man he bad
that etvening redeemed his pledge. He regretted to find
„te lip„se eloquence of the first law officer of the Crown
`lll th'and appeared to have produced so little effect on
~ept,:ancellor of the Exchequer; and he could not help
illts,,:saing a hope that her Majesty's Ministers would
ki•tto their Irish advisers, whenever the counsel they
/11 give should be of a benevolent character.
; House then divided, when there appeared—
For the ... 40
Amotion ••• ••• •••
gainst it ... 169
INp Majority against the motion ... —129
°TRIAL AND PROVIDENT PARTNER-
SHIPS.
IN I, LANEY, after having presented two petitions
qteljoeeds and another place in favour of a measure for
,tifeetti'ng the formation ot industrial and provident part-
fsP3s proceeded to move for leave to introduce a
teid u.r the purpose of carrying out that object. He
Pooh.? Was must desirable to afford the middle and
Classes the means of safely investing their
fi
resea," for their own benefit. That subject had al-
actedniott on several occasions the consideration
s°,,Qtaiilertime. In the course of the last session he had
Par
Committee which had inquired into the law
la tt,"nership, and the obstacles which that law threw
`111t6,113' of investments by the humbler classes, and
eyes-Inueittee had recommended the removal of those
nos 'ea• 'Under the existing system if a number of
!lay kr °eine were to put their savings together, and if
ntteengle Person among them were to take hold of the
:elehp property, there was no tribunal before
„1:1(1th:le could be brought to answer for his misdeed,
rye there Was no mode by which any dispute between
hearties could be decided. His object was to devise
4_l)f th:gY for that evil. He asked that the provisions
p,sutie, s'riendly Society Act, the 13th and 14th of Vic-
vlittem.ught be extended to the industrial and provident
otterships among the humbler classes.
lifes the motion of an Hort. MEMBER the House was
tiGne
these Counted ; but it having been ascertained that
- were 40 Members present the sitting was con-
d.
L.,Me• sr.
--A•NEY then concluded by moving for leave
bringliliciwthe Bill.
Mr- weak been seconded,
• OLE -
ity,er to allow the Houald there was no objection what-
‘4lB b. t the details Gentleman to bring in a Bill on
late u Je° ail* of which could be discussed at a
re stage.
accordingly R 1,1711111
Leave was
PUBLIc to bring in the Bill.
*qr. EWART moved the re- S'
kit
.pointment of a COM -
irees,bbf Uabil
11:1 tee on public libraries •oi the
- purpose of print-
bring in a Bill
al further returns relati P lc libraries abroad.—
ARTERIAL DRAINAGE—IRELAND.
to is!' FRENCH, in moving for leave to
operation in
tessrettd the Acts relating to arterial dhrsaiti.notatge
tli4",, Observed that the system at present in
.eeexistitinge
in Ire-
ke?olintry gave great dissatisfaction
gete---aeheleg at present in a state of suspension,
Ito- the attention of ber Majesty's Ministers to the
hof the law; and, whether he obtained leave to
e oin this orßill not,
his object would b. e gained if
▪ lt."'aJelity's Government would turn their attention
41kijee- CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUERhe
late
od
Go
e 0 vseie,_—t had been under the consideration of t
to it on-
eek,`ueet, as he had found papers referring
gAttor-
lifiy:tl into office. His Right Hon. Friend the
ort.
,a4eerneral for Ireland was fully aware of the
te'efluee;ethe subject, and he (the Chancellor of tihmepEx-
iket t4iit/ could assure the HOQ. Gentleman opposite that
'Neu ter would not fail to engage the attention of her
Ittr.a Ministers.
es FRENCH.„ then withdrew his motion.
r THE LATE ATTACK ON LAGOS.
the X 1
ME moved for copies of the instructions of
Ids of
• er,the Admiralty, dated the 14th day of Oc-
-40.a 1of°?1, to Commodore Bruce, or the officer in corn-
its nee her Majesty's ships of war on the west coast of
'NM' with co or extracts of all treaties and corre-
a, enc., pes
take
e, to show the nature of the alliance with the
hilttsorehief Akitoge; also copies or extracts. of the
14.41 50,1" s to Mr. Consul Beecroft, by which he
join her
under the chief Akitoge... to join her
us% ° lorees in the war against Lagos; and copies of
tifitto4Ptitchee as will chew the causes of the. t witho
caieerf•• Of the proclamation a war against
re of or king at Lagos; end an account of he hum
6:44 Acers and men killed and wounded in the
' actions at or near that town in December, 1851.
te e ,
rassPreciamation or offer of reward for the capture
Lb 0. And copies or extracts of the dispetches
mihnato: Admiralty and Fereign-uffice in answer to
atal. OCT' Eruce's and Mr. Beecroit's letters ; and
`ne orders for hoisting the British colours
tepeetee yee"..'4IiNCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
"Vea no objection whatever to granting the papers
fOr by the Hon. Gentleman.
°Net' num SIR J. BROOKE.
kcal t„ —E moved that an bumble address be pee-
4t-s4tt iauer Majesty for a copy of a letter from Mr.
tCle 28 Urns to Lord Palmerston, dated Singapore,
eialltnett 1851, with its enclosures, complaining of the
j,:utees'e,na and discouragements he had received to his
1,743 f. 's -630"11
.affairs in Borneo at the hands of her Ma-
li itid nitnissioner and Consul-General to the Sultan.
ttvrtil :Pendent chiefs of Borneo, while prosecuting his
Ita a
eoulneercitil proceedings in that country, together
kr. HENRYi' of any answers thereto.
41.,%11. 4 fe_c•. DRUMMOND said, the Hon. Gentle-
b,7ller nights ago had given notice of a motion
sde? the present, but that motion contained a state-
"4l4 Was not the fact. The same operation was