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London, England, 1852-12-08 00:00:00

now.
Mr. HUDSON said the act of Parliament left, it to
the Board of Trade whether a charter should be granted
or not, and his constituents were quite satisfied with the
sound judgment of the President of the Board of Trade.
In many of the principles laid down he perfectly con-
curred, but there were cases where it was most desirable
that limited responsibility should be given, but the Board
of Trade might foster projects which did not come
within the scope of private enterprise. He thought that
private enterprise was much more likely to be success-
ful than enterprises undertaken by companies managed
by boards of directors. He hoped the hon. gentleman
would not persevere in the motion he had made.
Mr. A. HASTIE thought, if it were left to private
enterprise, emigrants would be quite as well accommo-
dated as they would be if a charter were granted. His
constituents were against the granting of this charter.
At the same time, lie thought it better that the hon.
gentleman should withdraw the motion.
Mr. W. BROWN said, what they wanted was " a clear
stage and no favour " for any company whatever. He
should be extremely sorry to ask for papers, the produc-
tion of which would embarrass the right hon. gentleman.
If there was any negotiation going on with any foreign
state, there might be a difficulty, but there was no diffi-
culty in the present case ; but, as the right hon. gentle-
man was of a different opinion, he would withdraw the
motion, and he trusted, and was confident, that he would
do justice to all parties.
Mr. MACGREGOR was confident that the naviga-
tion proposed would be as effectually carried out from
Glasgow and Liverpool as if a charter were granted.
The motion was then by leave withdrawn.
COUNTY FINANCIAL BOARDS.
Mr. M. GIBSON obtained leave to bring in a bill to
establish county financial boards for the assessing of
county rates, and for the administration of county ex-
penditure in England and Wales.
RETURNS ORDERED.
On the motion of Mr. KINNAIRD, copies of any
papers or correspondence respecting the expulsion of
Messrs. Wingate and Smith from the Austrian dominions,
in continuatiot of papers presented in the last session of
the last Parliament.
On the motion of Mr. CAULFIELD, copy of the re-
port to the Admiralty, on the removal of the bar in Car-
lingford Bay, with a view to its being available as a har-
bour of refuge.
SUPPLY.—NATIONAL DEFENCES.
On bringing up the report of the committee of supply,
GiPECHELL said the lion. gentleman proposed
, •
t 4
to ..raiatfk2;ooo mcn,year, and then the, remainder •
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were be raised in Aprilneat, if irey couldi,Vt—them.
He suggested that if they could not raise liiencient men
they should supply the remainder by boys.
Mr. STAFFORD said this matter had been under the
consideration of the Admiralty, and it was their wish to
get as many boys as they could.
On the vote of 14,0001. for iron ordnance and pro-
jectiles,
Sir G. PECHELL said there was some difference of
opinion as to the number of guns and iron ordnance now
lying at Portsmouth, Woolwich, and Devonport, and our
various colonies. Now, in the report of the Ordnance
Committee of 1849, he found that at that time there were
at Woolwich no less than 11,679 serviceable guns—great
big guns, from a 13-inch mortar to a 9 pounder. At
Portsmouth there were 1,456 guns serviceable ; at De-
vonport, 927 serviceable ; at Chatham, 333 repairable ;
at Plymouth, about the same number, and 549 obsolete
guns ; and 479 obsolete guns at Devonport. Now, when
he looked at Gibraltar, which was reckoned to be our
strongest fortress, he found that there were only 600
guns there, and the cost of sending out a great many
more guns to complete the armament, was only 8,0151.
They were now called upon to vote 14,0001. Was this
for a second Gibraltar ? What could be their intention
in asking for so large a sum when in all parts of England
there were no less than 14,961 serviceable guns ; and,
taking the repairable and unserviceable, no less than
23,963.
The report was then agreei to.
TENANT'S COMPENSATION (IRELAND) BILL.
On the order of the day for the second reading of
this bill,
Mr. Serjeant SHEE said the right hon. gentleman
the Attorney-General for Ireland, in the exposition
which he gave them some evenings ago of the new bill
of landlord and tenant, adverted in terms of respectful
notice to an hon. friend of his, for many years a member
of that house, to whose exertions the improvement by
legislative measures of the condition of the agricultural
classes in Ireland, the right hon. gentleman, as he under-
stood him, attributed, as a primary cause, much of the
difficulty that he anticipated in carrying his supposed
measure for the same object. He had no wish to de-
preciate the learning and the industry of the right hon.
gentleman, but when he reminded the house that in the
years 1835, 1836, 1843, 1845, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850,
and 1852, bills were brought into that house by the
late member for Rochdale (Mr. Sharman Crawford), in
which all the principles of tenants property in their own
improvements, and of retrospective compensation for them,
now nominally and little more than nominally admitted
by the right hon. gentleman, were fully recognised, he
thought the house would agree with him that whenever
Lt passed a good law of landlord and tenant in Ireland,
the materials of that bill—whosesoever name might be on
the back of that bill—would be furnished by Mr. Craw-
ford. That gentleman was a large landed proprietor,
and he put forward a plan for the improvement of the
condition of his countrymen, the first clause of which -
contained a recognition that farm buildings and per-
manent improvements belonged to the tenant, and he
had carried that principle out on his own estate ; he as-
serted that the tenants had a right to the product of
their own industry ; and that from the time he had car-
ried out that principle on his own estate, he had not
only greatly promoted the happiness and prosperity of
those whom Providence had made dependent upon him,
but had considerably advanced his own interests.
(Hear, hear.) He read Mr. Crawford's bill, and the
other bills that were from time to time brought into
that and the other House of Parliament, and from
his own experience and observation, which had not
been inconsiderable in England, Scotland, and Ire-
land, and from the reports of Parliamentary com-
mittees and the writings of economists, he had come to
a conclusion on the subject—he came at last to the con-
clusion that unless the legislature of this country was
prepared to break up the settlement of landed estates
for the purpose of family provision, which was thought
essential for the maintenance of the aristocratic element,
and distributed the land on the death of the proprietor,
they would never arrive at a sound and proper state of
things. On further inquiry, he found that Mr. Craw-
ford's bill contained no provisions that had not been
sanctioned by the accumulated wisdom of ages, or that
were not comprised in the laws of all those states which
had retained the jurisprudence of the empire. In every
line of the bill there was a tenacious anxiety to guard
the slightest encroachment on the real and just rights
of property ; and he could not help admiring his (Mr.
Crawford's) worthy resolution not to surrender one
jot of his honest conviction for a whiff of that which
had led even honest men astray—the gale of popu-
larity—than which nothing was more worthless when
it was undeserved. (Hear, hear.) During the last ses-
sion a vast number of petitions had been presented in
favour of the bill ; and not one against it; and its prin-
ciplesb had been likewise affirmed at the late election by
great majorities in most of the Irish counties.been called
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sntleman from the house. Agitation out of doors
gwhich had not for its object success, as the worthy
result of argument and discussion, was not only mis-
chievous but criminal ; but if he (Serjeant Shoe) failed
on this occasion, it would not be for want of a true and
loyal conviction that the principles he had undertaken
to support were in themselves just and wise, conserva-
tive to the real rights of property, and conducive
to the prosperity of Ireland, to the peace, the strength,
and the union of that great empire of which it formed
a part. (Cheers.) As many years as he could re-
member, the misery of the Irish people had occupied a
large portion of the attention of that house. No one
could doubt that the English and Scotch members longed
to be comforted by an assurance of the happiness of their
fellow Irish subjects ; but how was it that their benevolence
had failed so signally in its results? It wag irnr_Tg'bi
years
walk along the track of legislation for the lastuw y
withrthownoutump
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n of the Habeas
arms act, some coercion bill, the suspension
speeches from the throne, or s r
Corpus Act, a report upon crimetoan
gasantry ofalmo t s every
tern of state. How was this ? Thep e ddeucltarraa
Ireland into England, 4 gladdene by other part of Europe were prosperous.
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nan d
.the.
_travdeller
passing from
of comparative happiness and competance
thewh scenesichwould everywhere greet his eyes, would hardly
be able to withold the exclamation, " Sua si bona.
morint !" Everywhere the grateful earth supplied to the
labour of the husbandman the means of enjoyment and
comfort except, alas !in Ireland. (Cheers.) In three pro-
vinces of that unhappy country, almost within sight of these
shores, and having ready access to the English markets,
there were struggling, in frightful contrast, luxury and
plenty with hunger, nakedness, and want. There were
property without security, industry without encourage-
ment, and commerce without life—a restless longing for
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new things at home and new fortunes beyond the seas—
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(Cheers,)
for the cure of such evils in the consolidation of statutes
and illusory guarantees. (Cheers.)
Sometimes they
were told that these evils arose from some inherent taint
—some moral scrofula, with which all the Celtic race
except the Great Duke was affected and which unfitted
them for toil and profitable industry. (Hear, hear.)
But a large portion of the French and Scotch peasants
were Celts. (Cheers.) A large portion of the Celtic
element, as the hon. member (Mr. Drummond) would
tell them, if he spoke on this subject, was contained in
that wonderful amalgam an Englishman ; andwho would
say that the English and the American nations did not stand
inthe very foremost ranks of human races? (Cheers.)
.Some-
times, again, they were told that it
was their religion.
(Hear, hear.) But the Roman Catholic religion was the
religion of Spain and Portugal in their adays,
lmiest
when they were masters of the Indies. (Cheers.) And
it was now the religion of France and Belgium, of the
Rhenish PrOVIACeEi, of Prussia, and of Lombardy—
countries which, asthe honourable member (Mr. Drum-
mond) had said last night, far surpassed us in everything
that was tasteful and elegant. (Cheers.) He (Serjeant
Shee) had not been able to understand from the right
honourable gentleman (Mr. Napier) what he considered
to be the causes of the unhappiness of Ireland. It seemed
to him that the right honourable gentleman had been
flirting with Mrs. Fry ; for he said that the secret of