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London, England, 1852-06-23 00:00:00

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SUN OFFICE, Seven o' Clock.

QUEEN'S BENCH.-(THIS DAY.)
Outings at Nisi Prius at Westminster, before Lotd
CAMPBELL and a Sp vial Jury.)
DIE QUEEN (ON THE PROSECUTION OF ACHILLI) v.

NEWMANCRIXINAL INFORMATION.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition.)
The examination of Dr. Achilli was continued until
half-past four, when he lett the witness-box,
having been
under examination seven hours.
Dr. Pogsi, Mr. Paoli, Captain Lawrence, and other
witnesses ware then examined, to speak to the high es-
teem in which Dr. Athali was held during the time that
he resided in ItAly. Madame Garramoni was also ex-

mined.
(The cue was fall proceeding when we went to press.,
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IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT,
(THIS DA.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS.
The SPEAKE
ruivATR. took theE BUSINESS. Chair at Twelve o'clock.
The Lords amendments to the Nene Valley Drainage
s Patent) Bill were considered and
and Navigation Bill, _ and the North British Flax
g's Estate Bill was read a third timo and passed.
Company (Claussen'
agreed to.
Spaldin
BETTING ROUSES.
Sir 13. ELALL presented a petition from the Maryle-
bone Vestry praying for the suppression of betting
houses.

COLONIAL CHURCH.
The House then resolved itself into a Committee of
the whole House on the Ecclesiastical Laws.
Mr. GLADSTONE said the immediate object of this
Committee was to enable him to do that which he could
have done had the, House passed the second reading of a
former Bill which he had introduced. His intention
would have been, had that Bill been read a second time
to commit it pro forma, with the view of introducing
amendments which could after Wards be printed and
sent out to the colonies for consideration during the re-
cess. The Government, however, announced their de-
termination to oppose the Bill, and under all the circum-
stances of the case he did not feel himself bound to press
the second reading. It was, nevertheless, desirable that
that the measure should be put in such a shape as it
could be seat out to the colonies. All, therefore, that
he now proposed to do: was to move a resolution
to sanction the printing of the Bill with '
amendments, which he would presently explain to the
Committee. The time had arrived when it was indis-
pensably necessary that some legislation should take
place in regulating ecclesiastical affairs in the colonies.
Now there were two modes of proceeding for effecting
that object. They might legislate directly, and proceed
to establish ecclesiastical courts in the colonies, or
they might pass a Bill which should clear up the doubts
which at present prevailed in the colonies as to the con-
struotion to be placed on the existing ecclesiastical law.
He protested against passing anything like a Church
Discipline Act for the colonies, because such
a course would be unwarrantable interference with the
domestic affairs of the colonies. What they had now to
decide was simply whether they should legislate directly
on the subject, or content themselves with simply passing
a declaratory and permissive Act, which should explain
the law and confer certain powers and functions upon
the colonial Church. It was objected, however, that
they knew not the wishes of the colonies on the subject,
but so far from that being the case, a meeting of colo-
nial bishops was held at Sydney, in 1850, when
it was unanimously resolved that the British Legisla-
ture should be petitioned to pass a law, enabling them
to manage their own domestic affairs in church as well
as political matters. He knew, from information he had
recently received from the colonies, that the colonies
were still of that opinion, and his object in proposing
this Committee was to pass such a resolution as should
meet those views. The Right Hon. Gentleman the Se-
cretary for the Colonies, when this subject was formerly
before the House, complained that the Bill which he had
brought in would place the Church of England in a pre-
dominant position, or destroy the supremacy of the
Crown, or break up the colonial Church into small
district churches, and for that reason the Right Hon.
Gentleman withheld the sanction of the Government to
the Bill. Now, the Bill was open to none of those ob-
jections; indeed, the charge that the Bill would destroy
the supremacy of the Crown was not only unfounded,
but perfectly ridiculous. True, the Bill might absolve the
clergy from taking the oath of supremacy, because it was
useless to impose unnecessary restrictions upon the
Colonial Church. He therefore proposed to make no
change in that par: of the Bill which related to the
Thirty-nine Articles, but with regard to the
oath of supremacy there was a wide difference
between the colonies and the mother country.
At home the oath was absolutely necessary,
but it was not so in the colonies. But, did he propose to
abolish the oath in the colonies? Certainly not. All
that he proposed to do was to leave it for the Colonial
Church to decide whether the oath should be taken
in the manner specified in the Thirty-nine Articles, or
• in some other shape more adapted to the circumstances
of the colonies themselves. Restrictions, he repeated,
• ought only to be imposed in cases of absolute imperial
necessity, and acting upon that impression, he had re-
frained from introducing a clause into the Bill pro-
viding that each law passed by the Colonial Church
should be subject to the veto of the Crown, but that was
a matter of detail which the House would have to de-
termine when they came to consider its clauses. The only
real and practical relation that subsisted between the Co-
lonial Church and the Crown was that recognised in the
principle of patronage, and ho proposed to make provi-
sion in the Bill for continuing that relation, and securing
the rights of the Crown in that respect. His object was
that this Bill should be a relieving and a permissive
Bill, not an enacting Bill ; and he had accordingly
made certain changes in the phraseology of the Bill
so as to prevent its having the appearance of the latter
character. In the former discussion objection was taken
to the phrase " declared member of the Church of
Ihgland. Now in England that was a phrase little un-
derstood, but is New, Zealand it was well understood;
but, nevertheless, in order to remove this objection he
bba
ixsed
to make the phrase run thns:—"Declared a
fide
were
membe: of the Church of England." These
,11 th ,
he intendeels3 changes that he proposed, except that
only retaaite4to add to the schedule, and it now
,4 That the Chairman be directed to move the House,
he
to bring in a Bill to relieve bishops
in the eolonielli
land,res and the
cieroommunion with the Church of Eng-
in
respect to kg and laity in communion with them,
doubts or disabilities affecting the
crrt esohhurch affairs."
management of their
PAKIIe
hithbelieved the Right Honourable
GeSnitrieJm.
an
who road,
motion was actuated by the
purest and most conscieel
. painful to him to ep,sl°us motives; and it had been
Gentietuurtiae
:11..e Bill which the Right
repudiated
, former
eieteatetreduced on a f
occasion. Honourable
He
being actuated by earhowever, all idea of
He eoseita. y object in cp-
posing the Bill.
which had been taken in referencelued of the course
. moved in the month of
the Bill
was to this subject. The
es although the Go
second reading of
e Bill, cl_i:
April, at a most
intension
tile
ads. In
spite-elf-tie-a eo postpone theL
antehnti.ohni
so of
utghgvritilt.,
t2i
vernment had no
Go-
was to be regretted t
measure was not adopte longteretnenstrance the
made
a
Bight Hon. Gentleman
.e
weeks tPeetsh in
ful to
elapse ryi
the second reading, and three
• The consequence .w...before
he could reply to lt. . that the
nie worked its - Right Hon. Gentleman's speltd
three weeks swards
an
the
colonies without a reply, and ..,reef
for h -wards the
temto ad e
• Right Hon. Gentleman wished to accede . "urn
the debate, but he refused len th, -0 that
proposal, and he made his reply " A gaineeeeTeluding
with a motion. Five weeks had elapse" since then, and
now the Right Hon. Gentleman cam° prepared with
4
He admitted, with
lengthened rejoinder to that aePIP felt
the Right Hon. Gentleman, that the colonies great
would he
interest in this subject, but it --
indecorous and improper to proceed with
-
such a measure as this without previously
consulting the heads of the Church of England' bothat
home and in the colonies. That opinion be stated
to
' the House on the former occasion, and he repeated.
that they still remained without the groundwork for legi3
lation on the subject. Notwithstanding, therefore, what
had fallen from the Right Hon. Gentleman as to the
. objections which he had already urged against the
former Bill, he begged to state that he adhered to
those objections, and he must repeat his fears that to
pass nth a Bill would be striking a blow at the supre-
macy of the Crown, and seriously damaging the Colo-
nial Church.—(Hear, hear.)
After a brief discussion on a point of order,
Mr. HORSMAN said they ought to proceed with
great caution in this matter. The principles must be
shown to be clear and unambiguous, but he was sorry to
say he was at a loss to discover what really was the
abject of the Right Hon. Gentleman in pressing the
resolution. The Government had announced that
-of
they intended to turn h • t eir attention to the subject
the Colonial Church, and he
no practical good that was likely could
see
ely to result from
The this proposal. Bill which the Right Honourable
Gentleman formerly
Bill, intended to introduced was a revolutionary
the colonies, but introducethe speech
an ecclesiastical tyranny into
T which proposed it was a de-
lueien and a snare.
Bill which Came after h.e, speech was a lamb, but the
was a wolf. This motion,
!es thwes. let the House reinemtle'r
• , ; ' )1.ill organ of a Party who
owas brought forward by
lost •
should not be siht
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•'h • could be gathered from
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