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PETITIONS.

The Marquis of BATH presented a petition against the
Jrish Fisheries Bill.
ALTERATION OF JUDGES CIRCUITS BILL.

The LORD CHANCELLOR moved the second reading
of this bill, the object of which was to enlarge the powers
of her Majesty in order that certain alterations might be
made in the circuit of the judges. The bill was rendered
necessary by the rearrangement that had been made in the
duties of revising barristers.

Lord BROUGHAM expressed his approval of the mea.
sure.

The bill was then read a second time.
FISHERIES (IRELAND) BILL.
Lord STANLEY of ALDERLEY said Parliament had
already given increased protection to the salmon fisheries of
England and Scotland, and the object of the present bill, of
which he moved the second reading, was to assimilate the
law in Ire.and, as far as possible, with that of England. In
the event of the bill passing the second reading he proposed
to proceed with it in committee on Monday next, when he
should be happy to consider ary alterations in the several
clauses that might be suggested.
After a short discussion, the bill was read a second time.

The Greenwich Hospital (Prevision for Widows) Bill,
and the Metropolitan Main Drainage Extension Bi,l, were
read a second time.

Their lordships adjourned at eight o'clock.

HOUSE OF COMMONS—Last Evening.

The SPEAKER rook the chair at 4 o'clock.
GREAT WESTERN AMALGAMATION BILL.
On consideration of the Lords' amendments to the Great
Western, West. Midland, and South Wales Railway Com-
panies Amalgamation Bill,
Mr. D. GRIFFITHS moved that the house do disagree
to new clause E, enforcing a revision of tolls whenever the
dividend of the united company's stock shall equal or ex-
ceed 6 per cent.
Mr. HODGSON sec nded the motion.
Mr. MASsEY supported the new clause.
Mr. D. GRIFFITH withdrew his motion, and the
Lords' amendments were agreed to.
The following bills were read a third time :—Banff, Mac-
duff, and Tariff Extension Railway—Banff, Portsoy, and
Strathisla Railway—Dare Valley Railway—Hammer-
smith and City Railway —and Uxbridge and Rickmans-
w rth Railway.

GREAT EASTERN RAILWAY (STEAMBOATS)

BILL.

On the order for the consideration of this bill, as amended
by the House of Lords,
Mr. A. EGERTON opposed the bill on the ground that

it was not good public policy to permit railway companies

to become steamboat proprietors in addition to their present
responsibilities. In the past the house had repeatedly re-
fused granting such yowers to railway companies. Here
power was sought to run boats between Harwich. Flushing,
and Antwerp. The subject should be referred to a select
committee. He moved that the bill be considered this day
two months.
Mr. WARNER seconded the motion.

Capt. JEItVIS supported the bill. The house had
authorised the Great Eastern Railway to make a line to
Harwich at a cost of £25,000, and surely it would be mon-
strous to prevent thEm from bringing traffic to their line by
means of a new and expeditinu- line of packets: (Hear,
hear.) Other railway companies had been permitted
to run boats, and there were the strongest reasons
why the powers sought should be conferred upon
this company. The transit of passengers and goods to the
north of Europe would be materially cheapened, so that he
was not surprised the General Steam Navigation Company
opposed this bill in order to perpetuate a monopoly. (Hear.)

Lord STANLEY opposed the bill on the ground that it
wou'd establish a monopoly over the sea traffic, which might
be worked at a loss so as to obtain traffic to this railway'
It would be well to refer the matter to a select committee,
and to take evidence upon the matter.
Mr. WOODD, as chairman of the committee, said the
company had made out a strong case to be allowed the
powers sought, but he objected delegating to companies
such extensive privileges.
Mr. M. GIBSON said there were precedents for the
granting of such powers as those sought by the bill. (Hear,
bear.) As the select committee of both Houses of Parlia-
ment had approved of the bills, he did not think the house
would do well to throw them out. No persons
having establ shed steam communication between Har-
wich and Rotterdam, were they willing to forego
giving powers to a company willing to give the
public that boon, because it was probable that in the future
some person might come forward and seek power to do it?
Sir H. CAIRNS denied that this was one of the excep-
tional cases in which powers to run steamboats should be
granted, looking at the past practice of the house. The
company might so arrange its railway and steamboat rates
as to run off all other competing boats.
Mr. CLAY said there were no boats to be run off the
route.

Sir H. CAIRNS went on to contend that the commit-
tee had not put before the house sufficient evidence, as was
usual in similar cases, to support the granting of the powers
sought by the bill.
After a few words from Mr. CRAWFORD, amidst cries o
"divide,"

Mr. MASSEY said public policy was materially con-
cerned in this and similar measures. If they gave
enormous and ambitions railway companies extra p ,wers
as in this case they had no security that they would not
virtually endow them with monopolies -nimical to the public
welfare. In this case the railway company would
enjoy a virtual monopoly. The bill was got originated
in that but the other house, the standing orders of which
were not very strict with respect to the introduction of such
bills. Besides, the select committee had net, as stated by
the hon. and learned gentleman opposite, adduced a suffi-
cient evidence why the house should accede to the bill.
After a few words from Mr. HENLEY,
Mr. COBBOLD, as connected with the locality and its
railways, warmly supported the bill. This bill had not been
brought fo. ward until every means had been taken to in-
duce existing steam companies to put on a regular line of
communication, one having existed for centuries. (Divide,
divide.)
Mr• LOCKE said the real question was whether the
General Steam Navigation Company, which ran from the
Thames and occupied a long time in the passage to Rotter-
dam, should have the monopoly instead of the new company.
(Hear, hear.) .Harwich was the natural port, and the
shortest and quickest sea voyage.
Mr. MALINS supported the bill.
Sir H. BRIJ JE said the subject was thoroughly investi-
gated by the committee, who heard counsel at great length
on both sides. (Divide, divide.)

After a few words from Mr. kbASARD and Mr. ADA.MS,
who trusted the house would not act unjustly to the pro-
moters after the great expense to which they had been put,
The SPEAKER read the standing order of the house, and
said, according to his interpretation, they had not in this
case bees complied with. He suggested that the bill should
be recommitted, with an instruction to the committee to
state their reasons for approving of the bill, which
they had not done, and which was imperative, according
to those orders.
Ultimately the proposition of the Speaker was adopted,
and th. amendmet t withdrawn.
LONDON, CHATHAM, AND DOVER RAILWAY.
The further consideration of this bill was postponed till
Monday.
The Morayshit e Railway and the North British (Steam-
boats) Bills were ordered to be recommitted.
HOLYHEAD HAltgcmg.
Col. DUNNE gave notice that he would to-morrow (this
day) ask the noble lord at the head of the G.,vernment
whaher it was the intention of her Majesty's Government
to pay any attention to the report of the Holyhead commit_
tee, and that subsequently he should bring the subject be.
fore the house,

THE CONSTRUCTORS OF THE NAVY.
Mr. FERRAND gave notice that he should on Monday
next move for a return relatire to the ages, services, &c., of
the two construc,ors of the navy, and also with regard to
the recent appointment of Mr. E. J. Reed, together wi.h
his qa.lifications as chief constructor of the navy.
MISCELLANEOUS AND CIVIL SE VICE
ESTIMATES.

Mr. MARSH gave notice that he should, on an early
day nest session, move A resolutioa that, in the opinion of
that house, the civil service and miscellaneous estimates
had been increasing, were increasing, and ought to be re-
duced.

STAFF-SURGEON D. W. EATON.
Mr. CONINGHAM asked the Under-Secretary of State
for War why Staff-Surgeon Deodatus Win. Eaton was dis
missed while on sick leave, after 18 years' service, 10 of
which were in the East and West Indies, without any pre-
vious warning, with no charge assigned, nor with any op-
portunity of explanation before either a court of inquiry or
a court-martial been granted, and why had the applications
for it made by Mr. Eaton been ignored.
The Marquis of HARTINGTON said it appeared that.
Mr. Eaton was insolvent in 1869 and bankrupt in 1862. It
was the usual course. though not the invariable practice,
when an officer had become bankrupt, and thereby avoided
his pecuniary obligations, to consider such a person unfit to
hold the Queen's commission, and he was generally re-
moved. In this case the circumstances that came out be-
fore the court were brought in the usual manner to the atten-
tion of the Secretary of State for War, the late Sir G. C.
Lewis, who, after examining all the facts of the case, saw
no reason for departing from the usual course. A court-
Alai was then considered unnecessary, as all the facts

were established in the Bankruptcy Court. Earl de Grey
had been applied to, but he saw no reason why Sir G. C.
Lewis's order should be revised.
COUta-MARTIAL ON CORPORAL '
TAKE.

Mr. CONINGHAM asked the noble lord i e would lay
on the table of toe house the proceeding the court,-
martial on Corporal Blake,
The Marquis of HAR r llst GT ON said the pipers at pre-
sent were not in England. It was unusual to present the
proceedings of regimental courts-martial in India to Parlia•
ment. If the finding of the court was correct, it would have
a material bearing on Colonel Crawley's case Inquiries
bad been sent to India to ascertain the facts, and for such
witnesses as could give evidence on Colonel Crawlers trial
in this country to be sent home.
FACTORY CHILI )REN AND STEAM-BOILERS.

Mr. FER RAND asked the Secretary of State for the
Home Department whether he intended to introduce any
legislative measure to place children employed in potteries
and paper-tube factories under the protection of the Factory
Act; also, whether his attention had been drawn to the
great destruction of human life for many years by the con-
stant bursting of steam boilers, especially by one near
Leeds a few days ago, where ten people were killed ; and it
so, whether he did not think that steam-boilers ought to be
placed under Government inspection.
Mr. BRUCE (in the absence of Sir G. Grey) said it was
not the intention of his right hon. friend Sir G. Grey to
introduce any legislative measure with reference to those
children. The evidence and the report of the coiru.sion
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dations contained in the report. With respect to the
t.ursting of boilers, ne doubt every year a considerable sacri-
fice of lite took place from it; but the hon. gentleman could
hardly have considered, when he proposed to place them
under Government inspection, what he was asking the Go-
vernment to do. Steam-boilers were scattered all over the
untry, and they consisted of those used in manufactures,
for locomotive, and also agricultural purposes. Inspection
by Government was, to a considerable extent, a substitution
:,f Government responsibility for private responsibility; and
unless t hey were enabled to make a real and complete inspec
Lion, it was better not to attempt
Colonel %V PATTEN asked if the hon. gentleman's ob-
servations applied to th whole or part of the commissioners'
report. He alluded to that part of the report which was
more particularly interesting to Lancashire.
Mr. BRUCE said his friend referred to the whole of
the report.
THE TYRONE ARTILLERY MILITIA.

Mr. GETTY, in the absence of Major S. Knox, asked
the Chief Sec e.ary for Ireland why the Tyrone Artillery
Militia wns not allowed a practice ground, the shores of
Lough Neagh being within reach, and suited to such a
purpose; and why this regiment was not supplied with
light field guns.

Sir R. PEEL said the point was submitted to the War
Department, but they declined to allow a pracr ice .ground on
account of the expense, The forts in the county of Tyrone
were being demolished, and from its inland position it was
considered unnecessary to continue the Tyrone Artillery
Militia. As to the supply of light field guns, it was now
limited to Armstrongs ; and as nobody in the Tyrone Ar-
tillery Militia understood the working of them—(laughter)
—it was thought unnecessary to supply them.

THE CASE OF THE 4 OUNTESS DELLA SETA

v. LORD VERNON.

Mr. HARVEY LEWIS asked whether the attention
of the Lord Chancellor had been called to the case of the
ountess Della S to v. Lord Vernon, heard before Vice-
Ch.ncellor Sir J. Stuart, and to the language ann demea•
nour of the Vice-Chancellor to the counsel and others con-
cerned in the case ; and it so, whether his lordship intended
to take any steps to prevent a repetition of similar proceed-
ings.

The SOLICITOR-GENERAL—In the absence of my
learned friend (the Attorney-General) I have to answer the
question, and perhaps the house will pardon me if I make a
short statement of the circumstances of the case to which
the question refers, and I hope the house will be satisfied
with the statement I am ',bout to make. The case came on
in the ordinary way before Vice-Chancellor Stuart; but,
before the nature of the case was explained to the court; it
was stated to his honour by one of the learned counsel em-
ployed in the case that some young ladies, infants and wards
of the court, were parties to the suit, and were not only very
materially interested in a pecuniary point of view, but that
their reputation would also be seriously affected by a discus-
sion in open court. It is the invariable practice of the Court
of Chancery to take all possible precautions fr-r the protec-
tion of infants under its care—and it is right it should do so
with or without the consent of the parties, and the practice
has been indisputably established by the highest authorities.
Here it was not necessary that that rightshould be exercised
on the mere authority of the Vice-Chancellor, because, al-
though one party did object in one instance, and pressed his
objection, the learned counsel, with tha good judgment and
feeling which I trust ordinarily distinguishes the counsel
practising in ad our courts, eventually waiver his opposi-
tion upon the representations made to him. The Vice-Chan-
cellor, therefore, in taking that eourse, acted in accordance
with the usual practice, and 1 am authorised by the Lord
Chancellor to say that the r•ourse which was taken meets
his thorough approval, as in all respects worthy of the duty
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f the judge and tne character of the individual who exer•
else, that duty. The hon. memb-r's question further refers
to some other tut tters which subsequently occurred. The
course then taken by the Vice-Chancellor in the discharge
of his duty was very greatly misund. rstood—(hear)—by
some persons concerned or not concerned in the cause—

Mr. MALINS—Not concerned. (Hear, hear.)
The SOLICITOR GENERAL—My hon, friend, who
know* the circumstances, assures me that they we•e not
concerned in tke cause; but, at all events, by some persons
out of doors, who obtained information on the subject. The
result was that there appeared in acme of the public jour-
nals a representation of the circumstances, involving the
gravest imputation that could possibly be laid to the charge
of a judge, namely, that out of respect to the position of a
nobieman he had departed from the ordinary and proper
course in a court of law, and had, contrary to his duty, and
for the reason there stated, determined to hear the cause in
private, in order to shield an influential, powerful, and noble
person from the possible exposure of circumstances which
be desired to have concealed. Of course the house will
understand that if any judge had been capable of acting s
he would have been linty, rthy of the posit ionswhich he held.
(Hear.) Now that charge is utterly groundless and most
calumnious—(cheers)- ai.d arose out of an entire misappre-
hension of the circumstances. That imputation could not
but affect the mind of a man of high honour such as Vice-
Chancellor Stuart. (Hear.) It was quite open and com-
petent for him, if he had thought fit, to deal with it is a
grave contempt of court, and have brought the parties be•
fore him. His honour, however, did not think fit to do so,
and if in publicly adverting to those circumstances he may
have been betrayed into some warmth of language, if the
indignation, which must have been excited in the mind of
any men of honour, came to his lips and influenced the tone
of his observations, I am quite sure it Is not necessary fur
me to vindicate him before this house, (Cheers.)
CUPOLA SHIPS,
Sir J. HAY asked the Secretary to the Admiralty if it
was true that it was the intention of the Board of Admi-
ralty to try the cupola ships Royal Sovereign and Prince
Albert without any masts at sea, or whether the tripod
masts proposed by Captain Coles were to be adopted ?
Lord C. PAGET replied that it was not the intention of
the Admiralty to fit those vessels with masts. They were
intended for harbour defences; but if sent to sea, tempo-
rary masts might be fitted in them.
THE INDIAN BUDGET.
In answer to Mr. BAZLBY.

Sir C. WOOD intimated that he should make his financial
statement on Thursday next.
LANCA s R'S RIFLING OF FIELD ARTILLERY.
Mr. 11. LEWIS (for Mr. Bernal Osborne) asked the
Under-Secretary of State for War if any steps were about to
be taken for the application of Air Lancaster's system of
smooth oval-bore rifling to field artillery ; and if the corre-
spondence and papers relating to it would be l lid before
Parli4ment. Ale.), when the report of the Ordaance Select
Committee would be presented ; and if it was proposed to
remunerate the gentlemen whose services were commended
by the late Secretary of State for War in reference to the
subject.
1 he Marquis of HARTINGTON replied that it was not
the intention of the Government to take any s.eps towards
the application of Mr. Lancaster'm system to the rifling of
field artillery; and that the correspondence was so mixed
up with other matters that it would oe almost impossible to
separate them. With regard to the other question, the re-
port of the committee had been laid upon the table; but
inasmuch as none of the ystems tried had been introduced
into the service, it was not intended to remunerate the gen-
tlemen referred to.

PUBLIC SCHOOLS COMMISSION.
In reply to Mr. G. 11rrr,
Mr. BRUCE said that the report of the Public Schools
Commission would probably be ready next session.
THE CASE OF CAPTAIN MELVILLE WHITE.
In answer to Mr. HENNESSY,
Mr. LAYA.RD stated that the case of Captain Melville
White had been submitted for arbitratian to the Senate of
Hamburg, but he did not know whether they would accept
the office.
CO MMERCIAL RESTRICTIONS AT NEW YORK.
Mr. S. FI 1 ZGERALD gave notice that either on the
report on supply, or on going into Committee of ways and
means, he should ask the noble lord at the head of the Go-
vernment whether he was aware that notwithstanding thr
remonstrance of her Majesty's Government, the American
G'vernment situ! required bonds to be given by exporters of
400ds from New York that no portion of them should reach
the hands of persons in the Confederate States; and. if so,
what course ker Majesty's Government intended to take in
the matter.

THE MARGARET AND JESSIE.
In reply to Mr. S. FITZGERALD,

Mr. LAYARD stated that no further information had
been received with regard to the case of the Margaret and

Jessie.

IRISH RECORDS.
On the motion of going into committee of supply,
Mr. MONSELL called attention to the unsatisfactory

manner in which the Irish records were being collected and
translated, and moved for a return of the moneys voted for
the purpose in the three countries.
Colonel DUNNE supported the motion,
Mr. F. PEEL defended the appointment of the calen-
darer, Mr. Morrin, who was select,- d upon the recommen-
dation ot the Master of the Boils--but he Agreed with his
lion and pliant friend opposite (Col. Dunne) that Mr.
Morrin had made a mistake in forgetting the maxim," Ne
sutor ultra crepidam," and that it was certain comments
which he bad introduced in the preface and notes to his
calendar that had caused all his trouble. lie could, how-
ever, inform his right hon. friend teat a more suitable re-
cord office was about to be constructed in Dublin, and that
the publication ot Irish records upon a more extruded plan
was dependent upon all the records being brought under

one roof.
After some observations from Mr. GEORGE and the AT-
TORNEY- GENERAL f .r Ireland,
Mr. hIONSELL withdrew his motion.
BRAZIL.

Mr. S. FITZGERALD, in calling attention to the pre-
sent relations of this country with Brazil, and especially to
the recent rupture of diplomatic intercourse with that Go
vernment, expressed his regret that the state of public busi
ness should have compelled him to defer the motion so long.
He was very sensible, looking to the state of the benches and
the period of the session, that he was acting rather in oppo-
sition to the wishes of the house in bringing forward the
question; but considering the important interests that were
involved in the matter, he could not reconcile it with his
duty to let the session pass without entering his protest
against the position occupied by her Majesty's Government
in their late transactions with Brazil, and calling attention
to the probable consequences that might follow from it
Some weeks had elapsed since the Brazilian Minister at this
Court had asked for his passports and surpended all diplo-
matic intercourse with this country. This in itself was an
important event. It was the protest of a weak Power against
the conduct of a great and powerful State; it was the pro-
test of a country that was well aware that in material le-
sources and in military and naval strength it was not in a
position to measure strength with the Power with which it
had a controversy, and it was a formal and open step in the
face of the Wolld against the conduct of a country which
had acted in the spirit of oppression towards it. Brazil had
adopted a course of policy which had won the respect of the
other nations of the world. She had paid this country the
compliment of having modell. d her institutions atter the
English m. .del; and she had gained the confidence of the
commercial world so much, that Englishmerehanta directed

theirattention to trade withßrazil as one of great importance.
One of the consequences arising out of the policy of her Ma-
jesty's Government towards thrtcountrywould beto bring into
power the party who were adverse to English interests. He
would dismiss from consideration all that had been said in
former debates about the contradictory statements about the
wreck and plunder of the Prince of Wales, and would con-
fine himself to the course taken by her Majesty's Govern-
ment, and the proceedings of Mr. Christie. In the first
place, he w'shed to cell the attention of the house to the fact
that it was the representative or this country at the Paris
Conferences who proposed that, when a dispute arose be-
tween two Powers, recourse should be had to the arbitration
of a third and impartial Power before resorting to arms.
That was the proposal of the British Government at the
Paris Conferences, and yet, with strange inconsistency, this
country was the first to depart from it in the ease of Brazil;
and the Under- Secretary for Foreign Affaiis had in a former
&bate justified this departure on the grow d that this coun-
try, being the party offended, could not propose arbitration,
and that 'he offer should come from the Brazilian Govern-
ment. Be would now come to the instructions forwarded
by Lord Russell to Mr. Christie with reference to arbitra
tion On the Bth October Lord Russell sent a despatch to
Mr. Christie, instructing him to demand a sum of £5,500
for the goods destroyed, ana £1,025 for freight. But ul,i
mately the noble lord, having some misgivings arising from
what had taken place at the Paris Conferences, 5, nt a
second despatch on the 4th of November, in which he in.
strutted Mr. Christie that, if arbitration was proposed by
the Brazilian Government, he was to accept it. But al-
tt ough Mr. Christie was in possession of the two despatches

—the second clearly superseding the first—yet, notwith-
standing this fact, he addressed a demand to the Brazilian
Government bosed almost in the identical woras of Lord
Russell's first despatch. tHear.) The Brazilian Govern-
ment declining to propose arbitration upon those terms, Mr
Christie at length took the extreme course of instructing the
English Admiral to have recourse to reprisals; and it was
on the morning after the ships had been sent to make re-
prisals, and when the reprisals had actually been made,

hat Mr. Christie informed the Brazilian Government that

is would be necessary for him to take forcible measures for
obtaining reparation. They had this fact before them
that, although Mr. Christie was in possession of instruc-
tions which would enable him to get out of the complica-
tions, still, so desirous was he of •• reading a lesson to the
Brazilian Governmen.," to use his own words, that he hie
recourse to forcible measures. He thought it was a grave
charge against the Government that, instead of censuring
our representative at Brazil for keeping back his despatch,
and thereby reading a lesson, as he said, to the Brazilians,
they had supported him in all he had done. The onl)
attempt at excuse on the part of Mr. Christie wns that it
had been necessary to keep secret his arrangements with
the British Admiral, and how had he kept them secret ?
Why that the Brazilian Minister anew nothing of what had
been intended until the British ships of war had actually
been engaged in making reprisals and insulting the flag of
the Brazilian Government, His next point was with re gard
to the compensation for the the Prince of Wales, and there
he wished to observe that he meant to say nothing against
the Queen's Advocate (whose acquaintance he had the
honour to possess), because he believed that the document
that had been produced in his name could not have emanated

from him, the rule being that the law officers of the Crown
should never make public the opinions they were asked to
give. He should like however, to know what facts and
documents had been placed before that learned gentleman
when asked ror his opinion. He held iu his hand the mani-
fest at the vessel in question, and he found that the claim
stated by her Majesty's Government, on behalf of Mr.
Stevens at £5,500, came down to £3,00 01 that value
he (Mr. Fitzgerald) had had the opinion ot an eminent
mercha t in the Brazilian trade, that only about 800
worth could ever have been got on shore. (Hear.) But
the most extraordinary claim that was probably ever
put forward, not only by the British Government
but by any reasonable beings under the sun, was
a charge ot £340 for "possible murders." (Hear, hear.)
I here had been no prout whatever that anybody had been
murdered at all, and it was just as possible that tnere had
been no murders; but, supposing there had, how had that
particular amount of damages been assessed ? The moat
curious part of the business, however, and that which, if it
were not a very serious matter, would be positively ridicu-
lous, was the mode of distributing the money claimed should
it have been paid. It might have been supposea that it
should go to the relatives of the murdered men, but they
were not known, nor was it known that any men has been
murdered Strangely enough, the whole of the money was
proposed to be divided amongst those who had suffered by
the wreck. (Hear.) Unless something was done to smooth
down the difficulties, he feared that, the distress in the north
would be greatly aggravated by the crippling of our com-
merce with Brazil ; and therefore he was aexions for her
Majesty's Government to take some course that would lead
to the renewal of frienoly relations with that country. Hr
suggested that the same conciliatory conduct should be pur
sued towards Brazil that had been adopted towarus Pere-
guay ; but he was afraid the secret of the matter was that
her Majesty's Government could afford to bully at hio,
when it was too expensive to do so at Paraguay. Were,
however, her Majesty's Government to change that spirit
of hostility that had for years past actuated their conduct
towards Brazil, it would be more becoming, more advanta-
geous, and, he ventured to think, more honourable to the
character of the country. He charged the noble lord at the
head of the Government with being more responsible then
any other person for that spirit of hostility towards Brazil.
The Aberdeen Act was a great mistahe, and ought to be
repealed. And Lord Aberdeen, before his dt.ath, regretted
that he had ever consented to its passing, and had expressed
a bope that it would be repealed. But what was the noble
lord's position with regard to that Act with Brazil ? Depu-
tation after da.utation had waited upon the noble lord with
reference to it.
Lord PA.LMERSTON—No.
Mr. S. FITZGERALD said he had been informed so by
a gentleman who had waited upon the noble lord.
Lord PALMER STON—W ?
Mr.
'arkZeGinEgßuAitiieLDs, said he was unable to state when.
He would
S. FITZGERALD
and if wrong he would give the
noble lord the advantage of it. He charged the Govern-
menttowii with acting in a more hostile spirit towards Brazil
than they had towards Spain fort
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iercement of reprisals, one of the bitterest despatches, wi-h
reference to lit eratiug negroes in the Brazils, wnich his
lordship, with his very bitter pen, had ever written. In
fact, that despatch was vary much in the spirit of two old
etaone y
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up a
Government had the means of making ad-
vances Her Majesty's collect
most bitter scandal she could find against her opponent.
women
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favourably received; and
reason to believe they would be
Aberdeen act nothing would give more
if they repealed the
towards the Brazi,ian government, and he had
satisfaction to the Brazilian
people. He hoped her Ma-
jesty'sand contrary to what
sanctioning conduct that was adverse
were in them-
they had riven, and enforcing demands which
beat to renew
Government would not proceed as they had done,
selves ridiculous and absurd, hut do their
8o many
tense relations with Brazil which had existed for
tor
Years to the honour of toe country. He moved formally
a copy of the manifest of the barque Prince of Wales.
Mr. LAY.e.RD said he did not clearly understand what
object his hon. friend had in view in bringing the subject
of Brazil again before the house. The question had been
discussed and amply ventilated in the house and in
another place on many
occasions. They had heard from
the bon gentleman very great words. He had talked about
the disgrace and dishonour of the country, and had applied
to the Government every term of reproach; but he (Mr.
Layard) should confess that when he saw a question in