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London, England, 1852-06-12 00:00:00

honour and honesty of the country, and instanced the
cote of the Warner invention 25 one in which his "Noble
Friend had pursued the same course. His Noble Friend
said he could not help suspecting that there was some-
thing behind; but, if that were the case, if there were
anything concealed which did not meet the eye, surely
that wars the very ground on which they should at once
appoint a Committee.—(gear, hear.) A large sum of
the amount given by France still remained, he believed,
unappropriated, at all events to the purpose for which it
was given, and the Committee, if it answered no other
use, would be beneficial in eliciting the precise mode in
which that surplus had been disposed of.
Lord MONTE AGLE said it was many years since he
had looked into the papers in this case, but he bad a
tolerably clear recollection of the circumstances con-
nected with it. There could be no doubt that a large
sum had been given by France to be distributed among
certain claimants by a tribunal appointed for that pur-
pose by Act of Parliament. It was alleged that the
portion of this sum which should have been given to the
Baron de Bode had been appropriated by the Govern.-
ment for selfish purposes, so that the Baron had been.
defrauded of his just rights. Ia the first instance, la
term had been assigned within which all persons purport-
ing to have claims were to put in those claims, and it
was quite true that in the time of Lord Liverpool, there
being a portion of the amount unexhausted by the satis-
faction of the just claims pat in within the stipulated
period, that surplus was applied to the building and de-
coration of Buckingham Palace. That was matter of
history and well understood. It did not, however, appear
to be equally well understood, though it was equally
matter of fact, that under the Government of Earl Grey
that surplus, so applied to the building and decoration
of Buckingham Palace, was required to be returned, and
it was accordingly returned in lull by the Treasury, and
applied in payment of a second list of claims which were
allowed to be put in by persons who had been excluded
from the former distribution by the limitation of time
originally assigned. He would, in the course of the
evening, move for Treasury accounts which would clearly
show this state of facts, and which would thus disprove.
at the same time the allegation that the money designed
for the Baron de Buda had been used by the British
Government for selfish purposes, and the proposition
that there was money available for the purpose of the
Baron's claim.
Lord TRURO said that those who had heard the
powerful and eloquent, and convincing address cf the
Noble Premier, when, in the other House, twenty-four
years ago, he advocated the, even thee, manifest claims
of the Baron de Bode, could not have imagined the possi-
bility of any other Course on his part than that which
he had now adopted, however inconvenient in its hawse
diate effect on the Exchequer the result of that course'
might be. The only conceivable objection to the ap-
pointment of a Committee was, that in fact, reason, or
Justice, there was not a single feature of the Baron's
claim in rational dispute.. This was so manifest, even
to the Noble Earl who had just opposed the motion, that
he insisted there must bo a enethang behind antegoniztic
to the claim, since there was no patent reason why the,
claim should not long since have been admitted and
acted upon. His Noble Friend might be quite assured
that, had there been anything anywhere that could be
adduced to invalidate the Baron's claim, it would not baf°
remained very long in the background. The opponents
who could condescend to resort to so miserable an eva-
sion as an appeal to the Statute of Limitations mot,
indeed, have been at their wit's end for a case.-•
(Hear, hear.) As to the statement that there was ne
fund out of which this claim could be satisfied, even
in part, the finding of the jury distinctly rebutted it;
for the finding of that jury was, that after the
payment of all the claims duly registered within the
time first stipulated, there remained 482,752 L 6s. sa. of
the sum given in this respect by the French Govern-
ment; of this 480,0001. 200,0001, had since been Paid
to persons whose claims had been admitted by
grace, and the residue had been paid into the Bank of
England to the account; of the Government. M
matter of strict justice the first residue of 480,000 e
ought to have been paid in satisfaction of the Baron de
Bode's claims, his admitted claims; and the 200,0001•
which had been given in other quarters had been un-
questionably given in the Baron's wrong; but hew
utterly monstrous the proposition that even tho residne
now existing was to be withheld from him I—(gear'
hear.) When France ptsid the money it was the deti
of this country to see that it was honestly applied lOrt
those in whose behalf the claims had been preferred. it
appeared, after the claims were in, a communication
took place between the two Governments as to the Prtr •
per sum to be set apart to answer future claims. The
Baron de Bode's claim was in at that time; an"
upon the footing of the claims then in a computation Wen
made as to the sum to be set apart. It appeared to bit!'
that, according to the statements, the case was shun!"
iccredible in point of strength and truth, and, if that
Lordships should find the claim to bs just, he aPPre-
headed there would be no difficulty in adopting some
course to redeem the honour of the country.
Lord HATHERTON said that, having been the first
person who brought forward this claim in the House °.;
Commons in 1826 or 1827, he could not allow the matteri
to pass without expressing his sense of obligation w
Noble Earl for the spirited course he had taken, and
which he thought the honour of the country, and what.
was due to the Crown, demanded. After the verdict of
the jury, it was impossible lor their Lordships W
ignore the claims of the Baron do Bode, or, at least, to
give him a fair opportunity of satisfying their Lordships
of the merits of his case.
The motion was then :agreed to.
The Metropolitan Buildings Act Further Ameedmeot
Bill passed through Committee.
On the Order of the Day for going into Committee en
the School Sites Acts E:rtension Bill,
The Bishop of OXFORD explained that the object Of_
the Bill was only to provide greater facilities for the
erecting of schools for the education of the different
classes of the community.
The Bill then passed through Committee.
SURRENDER OF CRIMINALS (CONVENTION
WITH FRANCE) BILL.
On the Order of the Day that the House go into com-
mittee on this Bill,
The Earl of MALMESBURY moved that the serrresl
should go into Committee on this Bill, and expla!nto
some amendments which be had prepared to submit t.O
the House in Committee. A new convention could
French
drawn np in 24 hours, if necessary; bat the Frena,
Government would be perfectly satisfied with the arne'd
meats in the Bill which he proposed to introdnee in
hsa
Committee. The principal of those amendments, the
reference to the further security of the liberty o',
to
subject. He proposed that the Secretary of State should
not issue his warrant for the detention of any seeli"so
Frenchman until there vras reasonable cause to sue"oould
his identity to be undoubted; but on no account e
,sof
he be surrendered to the French Government until Prd,
positive had been given. He then proposed to giv.ei ai'
this
ditional protection to political refugees, and to aid ,a 0
object the French Ambassador had promised that a.:10,
analagous to curs should be passed in France. „to
Noble Earl opposite smiled, but if they did not bell
in the honesty of the French Government it WS' °,,toe
use to enter into a convention at all. They must i ha
some faith in one another. The convention could not
'-
put in motion until both parties were agreed.
After a few words from the Earl of MINT°, the
Lord CAMPBELL suggested the withdrawal oht
Bill, and the making of a new convention to be ratified
es
by an Act of Parliament. All the existing diffiex_ras
might then be got rid of, and such a measure framed
would be satisfactory to all parties. f sil
Lord BROUGHAM said that, as the desire o,
bail
parties was to make the Bill satisfactory to J
lb
countries, he thought the better plan would bs to,
the different changes proposed to be made the 1°1)
printed, and its further consideration postponed for
few days.
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The Earl of MALMESBURY had no objection it
alloy
to the Bill printed, if their Lordships would aii°-
to pass through Committee.
The Earl of ABERDEEN said the Bill proliesn.cl2s.
different condition for foreigners to that which English'
men would be suhitcted to in this country. An in so
ment was not required bait only such a proceedirgood
would justify an arrest in this country; but he should
be unwilling to diminish the protection which had al
existed to foreigners.
After a few words from the Earl of DERBY, which
were imperfectly heard in the gallery,
tioTnheentLeroeßdDinCtoFl
aside. The might arrest the man, it was said, 'That,
must not deliver him up upon a nose en accusation.
hoc before
however, was the result of a judicialinquiry
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higher order. The manda ,
The French Govern-
sued by the juge d'instruhtion.
subjects by law the
a jug() d'instruction, but a court ofiUdtgh
give thei
ment were prepared to eeBs:Oafraranntuiesh-
the state of the law afforne
should without further delay give
same security which we g
he thought the House _
'll in the form in which it was
•aa2sot(.)litTller2s;scaulirdityseteoinFgra'nthcaet,
their sanction to the Bh
proposed to be amended.L
(who spoke with his back to the
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steps which had
the objects of this Bill. He was understood
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pprehensions which some persons entertainey
oglihtaictal refugees coining to this country; and earl
sort' of general evidence as to the offence. He did. not
ought to be taken that such refugees were not saerificea
on the pretence of being the object of some other charge'
He suggested that the Bill should be amended and re
printed.

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.__ requiring something to be transmitted to the Secre-
tary of State showing that proceedings had taken place
alagous to our proceedings before a magia'
trate. It had been said that we should be content with
a mise en accusation, if this were a proceeding which toolg
place after an investigation proving that the party-
should be put on trial, it would be sufficient; but there
ought to be something analogous to depositions taken in
France. There ought to bo some kind of discretion
• vested in the Secretary of State.—(Hear, hear.) If there
were a positive undertaking in the treaty to give up of-
fenders, it might lead to inconvenient results,
come a casus belli.—(Hear, hear.) The same discretion
ought to be given to the French Government. As al
Bill stood, it would be open to many questions, an"
especially whether, when a party was alaiated on a Fer_r"
fain charge, it might not be a scheme for getting him
into custody on political charges. rlreality
Lord BEAUMONT said the Bill did not' at
carry out the convention. The French Goverame. •
were only required to give up offenders " Sliere.,L ,
if nct on
come
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