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N°. 22,336.

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small room immediately behind the magisterial bench, from
which he commanded a full view of all that passed in court.
When this anomaly had been rectified and the discussion

terminated, the witness was re-admitted, and stated that
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all from the 9th November till the 25th December, in two

Alleged Breach of the Foreign Enlistment

separate engagements. He came away because they wanted
him every day to sign articles, and he did not wish to do so.
There was something about the colour of the flag ho did not
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Yesterday the magistrates of the Sittingbonrne Petty
Sessions were occupied dui ing the entire day in investigat-
ing charges preferred by the Crown against Mr,W. Rumble,
engineering inspector of machinery at her Majesty's dock-
yard of Sheerness. These charges were twofold, and alleged
distinct breaches of the Foreign Enlistment Act—first, in

federate, but did not know much about the difference.
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Confederate flag.
Mr. Giffard objected to the counsel for the prosecution
cross-examining his own witness.
Mr. Twopenny said that, in the unanimous opinion of
the Bench, the manner in which the witness had given his
answers was such as to make them regard him as an adverse
witness. . _

having, without leave of the Crown, fitted out, or procured
to be fitted out, a ship called the Victor, otherwise the
Scylla, otherwise the Rappahannock, with intent and in
order that she might be employed in the service of the Con-
federate States of America and their subjects to cruise and

The witness, in continuation, said he had been offered
two £5 notes if he would sign articles, but refused to do so.
The captain read over articles to three of them—they wanted
him to fight, he supposed. Having heard the articles would
still swear that he did not know to which nation the vessel

commit hostilities against the United States of America;
with whom her Majesty was at peace; and secondly, in hir-

ing or procuring divers persons to enlist in the service of
the Confederate States. The presiding magistrates were the

Rev. G. B. Moore, Mr. E. Twopenny, and Col. J. Dixon

belonged ; forgot what the captain said at the time; he did
not pencil it down. If he wanted to fight he would do so
in the English service, not the American. It would put his
head together again to say how long ago the articles were
read over to all hands. Witness would have nothing to do

Dyke, and the protracted nature of the inquiry may be

gathered from the fact that, although the Court sat at 11
o'clock, the defence was not opened until past S o'clock p.m.
The prosecution was conducted by Mr. W. Vernon Har-
court, instructed by Messrs. Essell, Knight, and Arnold, of
Rochester; Mr. Hardinge Giffird, with Messrs. Harris and
Lewis, solicitors, appeared for the defendant, who after his
arrest had been admitted to bail, himself in £5OO and two
sureties is £250 each.

with their Government, and persuaded all the others to

refuse to sign.
In cross-examination the witness manifested even greater
reluctance to give direct answer,. to Mr. Gifford, who ob-
served that witness had at least shown his impartiality.
Was first asked to give evidence in Woolwich on Thursday
week, by one who went in the name of O'Kelly. The Soli-
citor to the Treasury took down his statement on •Tuesday
last. Had previously spoken to several persons ; could not
say to whom, for he had been drinking lately. Where he
got the drink from was his own business ; he got no money,
but Mr. O'Kelly gave him drink. O'Kelly was a shipping-
master, who told him to stop from his vessel, a coal screw,
which was to sail from London, and he would be paid for
his time. Did not ask what he was to be paid; but O'Kelly
lent him small sums---7s. in all. lie also got half a sove-

Mr. Harcourt, in opening the case on the part of the

Crown, said this serious and painful prosecution was insti
tuted in accordance with the provisions of the Foreign

Enlistment Act, unhappily too notorious in the present

day. Having read the preamble of that Act, the sec-
tions under which the charges were laid, and that con-
ferring on the magistrates power to deal with the offence,

the learned counsel said the gravity of the accusation against
Mr. Rumble lay in the fact that he was not merely one of
the individuals falling within the meaning the Act, but a

person whose position should have prevented him, above all
others, from violating the statute. It would appear that in
the latter part of 1863 a vessel no longer suitable for her

reign and a piece of paper in his hand, when he was told to
remain. Expected ss. a day and something a night for so
long as he remained. O'Kelly took him into the Mitre
and gave him as much drink as ho liked, and 'bacca ; and
he was happy to receive it. (Laughter.) Also went with
him to Genoa's, a beershop ; to 26, Minories, London, where
he had ale and soup, not at his own expente ; to Poplar and
other places. Was not aware whether he went to any office
or place to see the American authorities. Had served for,
four years in her Majesty's ship Brisk as fireman.

Majesty's service, called the Victor, was sold by the Go-
vernment, under circumstances into which it was unneces-

nary to enter, to merchants of the city of London named
Coleman and Pearson. After the sale some repairs and

alterations of a prima facie innocent character were effected
in the dockyard at Sheerness, in effecting which Mr. Rumble
took a leading part ; but matters subsequently occurred
which showed that if not from the commencement of those

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works, at all events from a very early period, he must have
been aware of the purpose to which it was intended to put
the vessel. Being in a condition quite unfit to go to sea,
suddenly, on the night of the 24th of November, the ves-
sel, which had been renamed at Scylla, sailed from Sheer-
ness, and either at the Nore or somewhere before she reached
Calais that name was painted out, and a new one—the Rap-
pahannock—substituted. The captain and officers declared
the ship to be a Confederate man-of-war, and invited those
on board to sign articles. What did they next find Mr-
Rumble doing ? Actually going over to Calais, showing
himself in constant communication with the parties on board

James Mulowny said he had been engaged as firemen on
board the Scylla by Mr. Rumble. The first payment oi 3s
was made by Mr. Howe, and for the next week £ L Is. was
paid him by Mr. Rumble at his own house. When the
vessel left Sheerness she was not in a seaworthy state;
every tube in the boiler was bursting. The rigging was not
complete, and no sails were bent. There were some new
hammocks on board. After leaving Sheerness the Confedo.

rate flag was hoisted, and the captain came aboard and read
articles, but tone of the crew would join. Witness left two
days after the ship arrived in Calais. Saw Mr. Rumble
on Calais-quay, and witness and Brooks asked him for
a job at boiler-making, and he said, "Yes, go and work
on board the ship with the boiler-makers." That was the
same ship. Remained on board 14 days. The captain only
paid him for eight days' work, and witness applied to Mr.
Rumble for the balance; but he denied having hired him
in the country. On returning to England witness applied
at Mr. Rumble's house and said he would summon him for
the rest of the money. Dlr. Rumble appointed to meet
him at the Fountain at 12 o'clock, but did not keep his
word. The same afternoon he went to his house, and Mrs.

the Rappahannock, and engaging men to go out from Eng-
land to serve in various capacities in that vessel I Under
such circumstances it was obvious that the Crown could take
no other course than to submit the transaction to the most

searchigg investigation. The prisoner was a gentleman oc-
cupying a position of the highest respectability and impor-
tance,one which enabled him to compromise the character of
the Government and the honour of the nation ; and assuming
the facts which he had stated to be true, the Government and
the nation, if they did not take the most active steps to detect
and punish the guilty party, would expose themselves to
the imputation of a fraudulent neutrality, which every civi-
lised nation justly resented. It would be sufficiently to be de-
precated if merchants for the sake of gain attempted to de-
teat the law; but a man holding an official position under
Government, and availing himself of that position to defeat
the enactment, was more highly censurable, for he endan-
gered the peace and welfare of the country. If the charges
were true, this was the case of a man bearing the Queen's
commission and yet engaging in transactions grossly violating
his allegiance and injuring the nation of which he was a citizen.
Evidence to the following effect was then given :

Rumble gave him a sovereign in the presence of her hus-
band. In consequence of what he heard witness afterwards
went to Mr. Howe and received from him the sum of 8s
Bd, and then took back to Mr. Rumble the sovereign he had
advanced him until he received his wages. Mr. Howe was
landlord of the Fountain.
The witness was cross-examined at length concerning
what passed when the sovereign was advanced, but per-
sisted in representing that the transaction was not a loan.
Mr. Rumble told him it was a pity he had not seen Mr.
Brown, the owner of the ship, but he said Mr. Rumble had
employed him, and to him he should look for payment. The
witness at first stated that no one had been aware what evi.
dente he was to give that day, but afterwards modified that
assertion, limiting his statement to the details of the pecu-
niary transaction. Had served in the British navy, and was
dismissed the service for taking leave. Was three years
on board the Emerald.

Thomas Firth, a holder-up in Woolwich factory, deposed
that while the Scylla was lying at Sheerness in the latter
part of ISG3 he was engaged as storekeeper on board. Mr.
Rumble paid him £i is. wages for the first week, and said
the men at work upon her were to have is. a week and
their provisions as long as the vessel lay there. He desired
that if anything were short he should be applied to, and on
witness telling him that there was a cask of oil short Mr.
Rumble made an entry in his pocketbook. On the day the
Scylla left Sheerness witness was called into the cabin by
Mr. Ferguson, acting as chief engineer of the vessel, and
in presence of the defendant Mr. Ferguson asked him to
sign the ship's articles, saying that witness was to have £7
a month, and the other firemen £6, Mr. Rumble asked
which way the witness would like to have his money sent
home, and he replied that he should like to handle it him-
self, asking at the same time for money to buy a shirt, as
he had nothing but what he stood upright in. From Sheer-
ness the ship went to Calais. He did not see anything

George Bailey, boilermaker, went from Sheerness to Ca
lais to work upon the Rappahannock, in consequence of two
fellow-workmen named Joseph Williams and Thos. Giffard
asking him to do so. AMe. Bagshaw took them all three to
Mr. Rumble's house, and they waited outside while he went
in. When he came ont he gave Giffard three £5. notes, and
told them they had 14 days' leave to do a 10 days' job. They
went to Calais next day, eight in all. Mr. Rumble was on
board the packet in which they crossed, and be imagined he
went to Calais also; at least the boat did not stop till it got
there. (Laughter.) The boilers Nem in a very bad state. It
would have taken two months to repair them with the
quickest and best tools.
Mr. Gifford objected to this line of examination as quite
irrelevant to the present inquiry, though it might be in-
tendedstate in which vessels had been sold by them.
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Harcourt
denied
Government by showing the
that he was influenced by any
ulterior motives in putting the questions.
The witness said that the job not being satisfactory to
w
him he returned to Dover, when he was sent for into the
room of the railway, and found Mr. Rumble and a
lady sitting at the fire. Mt. Rumble asked what made him
leave the ship, and he replied that the job was not accord-
ing to the agreement made with him at Sheerness, and also
because the provisions were not satisfactory to him. Mr.
Rumble said if he did not like living on board he could live
on shore, and offered him £lO to go back by the night boat
to Calais. Witness refused to do so, having a ticket for
Sheerness, and wishing to see his wife. He asked Mr.
Rumble whether his leave at the dockyard was all right,
and he said he knew nothing at all about it.
In cross-examination the witness said O'Kelly had come
to the dockyard after him last Tuesday, but ho refused to
give him any information about Calais. He had only seen
a
O'Kelly three times in all.
William Ellis, John Good,
and Joseph Williams, boiler-
makers, who had also gone to Calais, gave evidence of a like
character. They concurred in the assertion that for the first
few days the ship had not any flag flying ; after that the
Confederate flag was hoisted.
Charles
betraying symptoms of un-
steadiness, intervals of reflection were twice
afforded by the bench, to enable him to elect between being
sworn or going into custody, deposed that he went with the
Scylla to Calais. The captain read the ship's articles to
Newton,
and
toa whom witness,
itea
him, and told him she was a Confederate man-of-war—he
was to fight for love of his Country, and the crew for money.
When leaving the ship £3 oe. 6d. were put on the table, he
could not say by whom, and witness was told to put it in
his pocket. The vessel was not fit for sea when witness left
her ; the yard was top on end, and dry stores were stowed
away in the magazine and shell room.
Cross-examined—Never was in a man-of-war in his life.
Did not know what a " magazine and shell room" were.
The dry goods were milk and such like. (Laughter.)
Richard Spendrift had shipped on board the Scylla the
day she left Sheerness, and before doing asked Mr. Rumble
for a character, which he gave in a note to the mate of the
vessel. Afterwards he saw Mr. Rumble on board looking
after the Government stores. The name of the vessel was
changed on the passage to Calais. The boilers were very bad,
only three of the six were in working order, and the vessel
was not in a fit state to go to sea. There were what wit-
ness understood to be fighting boilers on board the Scylla ;
at first he stated these not to have been in fighting order,
but afterwards reversed this statement. Had been 17 years
and seven months in the navy. In the Scylla hammock-
hooks were in their places for swinging about 150 hammocks.
Did not see any hammocks but those the men slept in going
over. A new captain came on board at Calais, ordered up all
hands, and told them it was a Confederate man-of-war. He
informed the crew that the prize money was to go forward.
He did not say what the ship was to do, or where it was to
cruise ; but told them he had been chief mate of the
Alabama. Witness left in five or six days afterwards.
Wm. O'Kelly was the next witness. He described him-
self as an American shipping agent, whose business it was
to procure seamen for American vessels. Last November,
understanding that there was a vessel at Sheerness requir-
ing his services he went there, but found she had gone. He
accosted Mr. Rumble, saying that ho knew some good men
who wanted to go in the Scylla. Mr. Rumble said he was
too late, but asked could the witness get good men, adding
that about 20 would be required. He referred witness to Mr.
Coleman's office, 9, Clement's-lane, Lombard street, for par-
ticulars, and on the Saturday following saw him there. Mr
Rumble said, "There is nothing doing at present, but if
you call again Mr. Pearson will let you know." On the
Tuesday after ho again saw him, and said, " Mr. Rumble,
I understand you are sending men over—there aro some
went on last night," to which Mr. Rumble replied, " I
have nothing to do with the ship now, it was bought
by Mr. Coleman from Mr. Pearson. Mr. Pearson is a bank-
rupt, and cannot make a purchase, but as they are brothers •

flying till the day after they arrived there; it was the Con
federate flag—a flag with 13 stars. Witness remained on
board five days after her arrival, and then left because he
did not like the vessel. (Laughter.)
Alfred Stephenson Ginno, of Woolwich, deposed that the
day or day hut one alter ho went on board the Scylla Mr.
Rumble asked Mr. Carr " What men are these ?" pointing
to witness and Friends, a man now aboard the ship. Being
told that they were seamen, and had formerly been in the
Australian trade, Mr. Rumble asked whether they were
" willing to join the Scylla, of London." Replying in the
affirmative, they were told to go on with their work. Mr.
Rumble paid him one week's wages. During the voyage to
Calais, early on Thursday morning, a flag was hoisted,
which he was told was the Confederate flag ; but it was
only a makeshift, prepared on board the ship.
Mr. Harcourt proposed to ask the witness what was said
by Mr. Ramsay, the acting captain of the ship at the time
the flag was hoisted, with a view of establishing the nation-
ality and character of the vessel.
Mr. Giffard objected. Words taking the form of acts,
such as the hailing of another vessel and commanding her
to strike, would be clearly admissible ; and his learned
friend was trying to get out a mere conversation between
persons on board the vessel.
Mr. Harcourt replied that a formal declaration of the
captain was an act of the same import as hoisting the Con-
federate flag, which without such a declaration might have
been an unauthorised accidental occurrence.
At the suggestion of the Bench the form of the question
was altered, and the witness replied that no declaration was
made by Capt. Ramsay to the crew at the time when the
flag,was actually hoisted; but there was such a declaration
while the flag was being made. It was very hot below, and
witness came out of the stokehole for a blow, and saw
the captain on his knees along with some sailmakers, who
were cutting out a piece of bunting. Looking up at the
witness, Capt. Ramsay said, " I am going to give you a flag
and a new name. I won't disgrace you. I will give her a
classical name." Duty called witness away then, and, re-
turning some time afterwards, he said to the captain, " I
beg your pardon, sir, what name has the ship got now ?"
(Laughter.) Capt. Ramsay desired bim to tell anybody
below who might ask the question that the name was the
" Rapper-annock," and that she was a Confederate mau-of-
war. The vessel sailed from Sheerness on Tuesday night,
arrived in Calais on Thursday morning, and witness re-
mained on board till the following Tuesday. During
the time she flew the Confederate ensign and pennant—a
fresh one, not the one hoisted at sea. Tho ship's officers
wore a gray uniform and glazed caps.
James Hurford, of Woolwich, labourer, who had been
employed on board the Scylla as chief stoker, depos,d that
he was paid two weeks' wages by the defendant. Captain
Campbell was in command at Calais while he remained on
board. Could not tell the difference between the Federal and
Confederate flags.
In crass-examination, the witness said that Mr. Rumble,
when paying him his wages, mentioned that the owner was
away, and had requested him to do so.
James Brooks, leading fireman in the Scylla, at Sheerness,
last November, deposed that he was paid wages by a gentle-
man whom he only saw once. Ramsay might be the gentle-
man's name, or it might not. The other gentleman stood
by the companion ladder, and put the money in his hand.
He looked at the money more closely than he did at the
gentleman. Saw a gentleman at Calais opposite the station,
had a conversation with him, but had not sewn him since.
Could not swear that the gentleman was not in the room at
that moment ; but did not see him.
The witness was cautioned by the Bench as to the monner
in which he was giving his evidence ; and being requested
to see whether the gentleman he alluded to was then in the
room, he looked slowly and carefully round, apparently
avoiding the quarter where defendant sat. On a further
scrutiny he at last said he thought he saw a gentleman in
the room whom he had seen in Calais ; that gentleman was
the defendant, but he could not swear positively.
Mr. Harcourt proposed to ask the nature of the conversa-
tion at Calais.
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must first be clearly established.
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in-law, Mr. Coleman purchased this ship for him." Wit-
ness then asked who had to do with the ship. He said,
" Capt. Campbell, then in Calais." Witness said, "I have
a good mind to go over and see Captain Campbell," and Mr.
Rumble replied, " Well, I would go if I were you"—rather
in a bantering tone. Witness rejoined, " I will go if I can
raise the money," and defendant said, " Why don't you
go ?" They then parted. Witness went that night to
Calais, and next morning went alongside the ship Rappa-
hannock; she had no colours hoisted then, as it was before
g o'clock—she had no colours hoisted that day. At 11
o'clock the same day alongside the Rappahannock witness
met Mr. Rumble in company with Mr. Ramsay, the chief
officer of the ship. He asked me (said the witness) what I
was doing there, I said I came according to his advice.
He said, "Now, are you honest P' I said, "Certainly."
He observed, pointing to Mr. Ramsay, " This is the man
who got me into all this trouble." I said, " The re is no
more trouble now; she is in a French port." He said,
"Right ; now we don't care who knows it." He then said
to Mr. Ramsay, "This is the man that can find us a crew.
Mr. Ramsay said, "He had better see the first lieutenant."
I said, " No, I want to see Captain Campbell himself."
The witness described his meeting with Captain Campbell,
who told him he should not want a crew for six weeks; and
next deposed to the following conversation as having been
originated by Mr. Rumble:— He said, "Now, can I depend
upon you ?" I said, "Certainly." He said, "We thought
you belonged to the other party." I told him, "No, I be-
long to no party." He then said, " She will want 40 men."
I said, " More like 100." He remarked, " This is a money-
making affair." I said, "I know it is, if it is properly
worked." He said, "We will work together." I said,
" Certainly ; share and share alike." He then inquired,
"What are you going to do now?" I said, "I am going
to London by the next boat, as I consider my business here
as done." He said, "It is done; leave everything else to
me." And he proposed to meet me at Pearson's office at
10 o'clock on Saturday. I went to Mr. Pearson's office,
but I did not see Mr. Rumble there or again till to•day. I
was taken ill on the following Sunday and continued very
ill for three weeks. He gave me a sovereign just before I
left Calais.

Cross. examined—When he gave me the sovereign I told
him that I had nine children, I also told him I was very
poor. I have been a shipping master for American ships
since 1853. I am of Irish extraction, but I hail from London
—can I swear where I was born ? I believe I was born in
Limerick, but have no recollection of my mother country. I
live at No, 5, Havering-street, London—place of business,
No. 5, High-street, Shadwell. Before 1853 I was a master
tailor, carrying on business at 15, Banks-place, New-road,
for three or four years, under the same name, I never had
any other. Before this I was for seven years a journeyman
tailor, working at Stultz's, Hujee's, and Cartwright's. For
three years I was manager and head foreman of Dunn's
Tailor Labour Agency, Newington-causeway, London. Be-
fore that I was a little boy, (Laughter.) lam now about
48 years of age. After seeing Mr. Rumble I stayed in Sheer-
ness till 2 o'clock; during the interval I telegraphed. I
should not know the place again, nor yet the name of the
person to whom I telegraphed ; I believe it was to a Mr.
Gifford. I got no answer. I was accompanied by a friend, a
London pilot. Ido not remember his name. In speaking to
Mr. Rumble I did not give my own name. I gave him that
of Williams. I never previously passed by any other false
name. I saw they were using shams, and I thought I
might as well use a sham as another. I borrowed the money
to go to Calais from a friend, and am not obliged to give his
name. Suppose it was from "my uncle."
Being pressed on this point, the witness said he would not
answer. Being directed to do so by the Bench, he said it
was "a Mr. Nunn, a clerk in the City living in West-
bourne-square."
Mr. Gifford—When first, if ever, did you have any con-
versation with personaconnected with the United States of
America.

The witness fenced with this question, and the evasive
answer which he returned was taken down. The question
being repeated, he said he had been in constant communica-
tion with the authorities of the United States since 1853;
the nature of his business was such as to require it. He
was not connected with the United States Consul, or
any of the American authorities, when he went on his mis-
sion to Sheerness. He went simply as a shipper of seamen
for American ships, and not in any way in relation to a sup-
posed equipping of a Confederate ship. First got into com•
munication with the members of her Majesty's Government
on that day fortnight. Mr. Knight sent for him on that
day. A telegraphic message reached him in the West India
Dock. Would not swear from whom the message came.
Still carried on the business of a tailor, as well as that of
shipping-master at his home, 41, Smith-street, Mile-end-
road, Stepney.
The prosecution closed at this point, and
Mr. Giffard addressed the Bench for the defence, contend-
ing that no infringement of the Foreign Enlistment Act had
been committed by his client, and on the contrary that all at-
tempts to fix him with a guilty intention had failed. His

learned friend conveniently overlooked the fact that the
Government had sold the vessel to the very parties to whom
Mr. Rumble, in perfect good faith, was giving such slight
assistance as was habitually afforded in every one of the
great shipping ports. And it must be borne in mind that
everything done towards getting out the vessel prior to her
departure from Sheerness was done under the oyes of all
the Government officials in the dockyard. After the vessel
reached France it had, indeed, been shown that Mr. Rumble
still took an interest in her ; but this was intelligible as
soon as it was mentioned that, from considerations of per-
sonal friendship towards the owner of the Scylla, Mr.
Rumble had become guarantee for the payment of trades-
men in Sheerness, with whom that owner had been deal-
ing. liis object in proceeding to Calais was simply to pro-
cure the money for which he had thus made himself liable.
At the outside all that could be entertained against his
clientwas suspicion,and he asked the bench to setagainst con-
siderations of that nature the high reputation Mr. Rumble
had always maintained.
Mr. Rumble read an explanatory statement of the circum-

stances involved in his connexion with the Scylla ; and ex-
ptessly contradicted many statements of the witness for the
prosecution, more particularly those made by O'Kelly.

After a few minutes consultation in their own room, the
Chairman announced the decisiyn of the Bench, which was
to send the case for trial.

At the request of Mr. Gifford, who pointed out that the
requisite power existed under the 4th section of the Act,
their Worships committed the defendant for trial before the
Court of Queen's Bench. Bail was again accepted in the
same amount as before.
The proceedings lasted till a very late hour.

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Catholics for learning a verse of Holy Scripture, and where
these same people went away cursing the Protestants, and
cursing the very persons who gave them bread and taught
them the verse. I could tell you of agents who were known
to be charged with drunkenness and other vices, who entered
in their report that they were persecuted when they merely
got into broils in their drunkenness, and who were, in spite
of the remonstrances of the parish clergyman, retained in
their offices. I could tell you of a report made by ono
ordained agent that he had made fourteen convicts from
Romanism in a certain locality, and who had to acknow-
ledge, when I inquired closely into the matter, that these
fourteen persons did not belong at all to that locality ;
that they had been brought there by this agent himself
from distant places, and lodged in a school-house, and then
represented as converts from the locality, where they had
been supported for a few weeks. These and many other
facts I could repeat ; and there are multitudes of clergymen
in Ireland who aro able to bear similar testimony from their
own experience. But I should prefer to confine our present
controversy to the one grand objection—the charge of what I
must call bribery ; which I define to be the giving of any
temporary relief to our fellow-creature for the purpose of
tempting him to do what his conscience condemns." Mr.
Webster then proceeds to observe that multitudes of the
supporters of the society in England would never, he was
quite sure, give their money for the purpose of bribery ; and
that it may be for this reason the society is so careful to
inform the English people that all the money collected in
England is devoted to the " missionary " part of the
work. "Be this as it may," he adds, "it is a remarkable
fact that the society loses no opportunity of declaring
that ' net one shilling of the money collected in England
is devoted to the purchase of food or clothes ;' but nearly
all the money collected in. Ireland is devoted to this purpose;"
and he concludes by truly observing, "In the long rua I
believe it will be discovered that the Irish Church Mission
Society has done irreparable mischief to the Church in Ire-
land." These are bold and sweeping statements, certainly ;
and coming from such a respectatde and well-informed guar-
will have immense weight if they cannot be clearly and
unquestionably refuted—which I doubt. The Chancellor of
Cork is not a man to make such charges lightly, and his
exposures must, in any case, do a large amount of good.