The Sun.
London, England, 1852-07-08 00:00:00

TrIV STYX, LON'T)ON;

-bPORTING NOTES.
NoTtOLXI. --
TIIEJZORCESTEIt N:,cN MAIiKET, AND LAN-

- TO THE EDITOR OF_THE S UN.
SlR,—The scuqy tor th., Flying Stak6a yesterday'kt
Worcester terminated, sores,chat uncxpc=ctedly to tbe
public, in the vietnry Butte fig—Forester,
the fa-
vouritc., when called upon, not being able to finish, being
completely run out.
May-day and Sleeping Partner encored their per-
formance of the previous day by running first and
second for the Railway Handicap; neither of these
races, however, affect any closed stake in the womb of
futurity.
The Newmarket Summer Handicap resulted contrary
to my expectation, that inferior specimen of a race-horThis
se,
-Bushranger, winning cleverly from Clincher.
running, in my opinion, to all -intents and purples,
settles Clincher's chance for the Liverpool. Cup, and With
-it Tophana's. Bushranger is in the Goodwoud Stakes
at Get 61b, but with the penalty he will have to envy
_tor winning yesterday, I take it his chance is completely

out.
The Lancaster Cup was won, as I expected it would
be, by Lindrick, who managed to dispose of John of
Berwick and the rest of the field very cleverly. The
victory of this horse would seem to favour Red Lion's
chance for the Ebor Handicap, as the latter is some
pounds superior to him.
A circumstance having occurred, over which I had no
control, will compel me =to defer the publication of my
remarks on the Derby of /852 from to-day until Sitar-
d iy, to-morrow's note being devoted to a:consideration of
the Liverpool meeting.—l em, Sir, &c.
July 8. THE SH' OF THE TURF.

SPORTING INTELLIGENCE 4
NEWMARKET JULY MEETING—WEDNEerias.
Sweepstakes of 10 sovs. each, for two and three yrs old;
colts, Bst 71b, and fillies, Bst 41b. Last half of B.M.
The winner to be sold for 2001., &c. (4 Subs.)
Lord Ribblesdale's b f Torment
Mr. W. Smith's Azora filly (Bartholomew) 2
Mr. Roger's br gby Arundel, out of Zara (Rogers) 4
3
Mr. rnelluson's Lady Gertrude
Betting--7 to 4 agst Zara gelding, 2to 1 agst Tor-
ment, 3 to 1 agst Weatherbit filly.
A very fine race between the first two, Torment, who
made nearly all the running, winning by a neck. The
race was nut'timed.
The Summer Handicap of 15 soya, each, 5 ft., if declared,
&c., with 2001. added; the winner of any handicap
of the value of 2001, including the winner's own stake,
after the weights were declared, 51b extra; of two
such races, 811) extra. Last two miles of R.C. (40
Subs., 21 of whom declared.)
Mr. Etwall's Bushranger(carried 63t 121 b ...(Ealing) 1
Mr. J. M. Stanley's Clincher, 5 yrs, Bst 71b (A. Day) 2
3
Mr. Stephenson's Pan, 3 yrs, 6st (Rook)
0
Lord Exeter's 11ex,3 yrs, sst 71b
Lord Exeter's Tophane, aged, 7s,t. ,..(J. Mann)
Mr. R. H. Nevill's Artisan, 4 yrs, Est 11113 (T. Smith) 0
Mr. Parkinson's Odessus, 3 yrs, 6st 91b (G. Mann) 0
Mr. Stephenson's Waverley, 3 yrs, sst 131 b (Toovey) 0
Mr. Wigrarn's Peacock, 3 yrs, sst llb (J. Steggles)
Betting-2 to' 1 agat Clincher-5 to 1 agst Odessus
(t)--5 to 1 agst Peacock-6 to 1 agst Bushranger
—7 to 1 agst Artizan—and 10 to 1 each agst To-
phana and Ilex.
Tophana made play at a slow pace, followed by
Odessus, Pan, Artisan, and Bushranger, to the turn
into the B. M , where she gave way, Artisan then went
in front, and with Bushranger and Clincher in waiting,
carried the running into the bottom; Bushranger and
Clincher here singled themselves out; the former taking
fourth.
the lead, and winning by half a leod ngth. Clincher
boating Pan by two lengths, Ilex a go
in 3 min. 59 secs.
Sweepstakes of 100 Boys. each% ft; for two yrs old colts,
Bst 71b ; and fillies, Bst 411). New T.Y.C. (5 Subs.)
Lord J. Scott's The Reiver (Whitehouse) walked over.
Lord Ribblesdale withdrew Talfourd's stake, and re-
ceived one of the forfeits.
The Town Plate of 50 sovs.•' for three yrs old colts, Bst
71b; and fillies, Sat 31b. Last mile and a dis. of B,C.
Mr. J. Gill's Hecate colt . .............. (ViThitehouse) 1
Mr. Stephenson's bi c Ravenswiag (Pearl) 2
Mr. R. Cooper's Jewell (Rogers) 3
General Anson's b f Plot (Flatman) 4
Betting-5 to 4 agst Ravenswing. Won easily by two
lengths, the same between second and third; Plot a bad
fourth.
NEWMARKET JULY MEETING.
ENTRIES FOR THURSDAY. ,
Handicap tor three yrs old and upwards.
lona, 3 yrs, Bst 71b—Solyman, 3 yrs, Bst 21b—Liver-
mere, 3 yrs, 7st 121b—Peacock, 3 yrs, 7st 91b.
2BeYirrsani 21010r4—Promise, 2 yra
501. Plate, optional selling weight. Last half of B. M.
(1000—ch f by
Cavan, 3 yrs (801)—b f by Weatherbit, out of Azora,
(1001)--The Greets
2SlyaVrse,(
(801)—The Moor, aged (801)—Oasis, 2 yrs (400—Fera-
morz, 2 yrs (1501)--Hecate colt, 3 yrs (801)—Shadow,
3: yrs (400—Joe o' Sot, aged (400—Gay Lass, 4
yrs (400.
LATEST BETTING.
GOODWOOD STAKES.
14 to 1 agat Harricot (t) I 9to 1 agst Champion and
18 to 1 agst Champion (t) Backbiter.
ST. LEGER.

Even on Scott's lot. I 4to 1 agst Songstress.
New Match for Thursday—Sophistry, Bst 71b, ags,
Mountain Flower, Bst 71b. New T.Y.C., 100, h ft.
Lord Ribblesdale has sold Kingston to Mr. Morris,
for 2,000/
Lard John Scott, we hear, has refused 4,000/. for The
Reiver.
FIRST OCTOBER MEETING, 1852.— WEDNESDAY.
Lord Ribblesdale's N.bob, Bst. 71b., agat Mr. Payne's
Glenluce, 7st. 71b. T.Y.C. 200 h. ft.
HOUGH TON MEE TING, 1852.— THURSDAY.
Lord Ribblesdale's Herbert, Bst. 71b., agst the Duke
of Bedford's Flirt, 7st. 31b. T.Y.C. 100 h. ft.
Lord Ribblesdale's Talfourd agst the Duke of Bed-
ford's Sittingbourne, Bst. 71b. each. T.Y.C. 200 h.ft.
FRIDAY.
Lord Ribblesdale Pearl and Bounty, agst the Duke of
Bedford's Diomedia and Ernestine, Bst. 71b. each. T.Y.C.
200 h. ft., one to the post.
WORCESTER RACES.—TbEsna.Y.
The Severn Stakes of 5 sous. each; three years old,
7st; four, Bst 41b; five, Bst 121 b; six and aged,
9st 21b; mares and geldings allowed 21135. One mile
and a quarter. (6 Subs.)
Mr. E. Phillips's Truth, 4 yrs ........ ...(W Sharpe) 1
Mr. F. Robbins's Paper Kite, 3 yrs (Archer) 2
Betting-6 to lon Truth. Won in a canter by six
lengths.
The Two yrs old Stakes of 10 sovs. each, and 25 added;
colts, Bst 51b; fillies, Bst 21b; winners once 31b, twice
51b extra. T.Y.C. (3 Subs.)
Mr. G. Gulliver's Chilton (Marlow) 1
Sir C. Rushout's Sextus ................. (G. Sim son
Mr. W. Holman's Lady Leger c •••••....(J. Holman) 3
Betting-7 to 4on Chilton, who made all the running,
and won in a canter by two lengths.
The Worcester Stakes of 10 sous. each, 5 ft, and 3 only
if declared, with 100 added; the winner to pay 10
(W. Sharpe) 2
sus. towards expenses, and the second to save his
stake. One mile and a half. (76 Subs, 51 of whom
declared.)
Mr. E. Jones's Meiford, aged, 6st 41b ......... (Preece) 1
Mr.mr. liGa.lnforedn'rsyP,
orßilnuett sst 91b .„(K9ndall) 3
Mr. Moseley's Alonzo, 5 yrs, Bst llb
Minister,ey3 y
(G. Simpson) 4
Mr. Waller's Ephesus, 4 yrs, 7st (Wakefield) 0
yrs,
131 b
Mn E. Jones's Tonic, 4 yrs, 6st 10113.„(Glazebrook) 0
Mr. Pearce na Chance, 5 yrs, Est 101 b ....... (Page) 0
Captain Barnett's Becton,s yrs, (Archer) 0
Mr. Stebbings,l Knook K 6st 81b
Knoll, 4 yrs, 6st...(Chilman) 0
Mr. J. Clark's Elcot, 3 yrs, Est
Mr. Merry's Sally, 3 yrs, sst 61b (Wilson) 0
Mr. Flintoff's Ibis, 3 yrs, 4st 121 b (Prince) o
Mr. G. Henry's Butterfly, 3 yrs, sst 91b 0
Betting-5 to 2 agst Ephesus-5 to 2 agst Buttetfly-
-sto 1 agst Prime Minister-8 to 1 agst Knook Knoll_
10 to 1 agst Melt'ord-10 to 1 agst Elcot—and 15 to 1
agst Tit terstone.
- Melford took the lead from Butterfly soon after start-
ing, kept it, and won cleverly by a length; Prime
Minister beating Butterfly by a head, the latter being
the same distance in advance of Alonzo; the favourite
" nowhere." The pace was good.
The Tradesmen's Handicap of 3 sots. each, and 25 added.

One mile and a quarter. (9 Subs.)

msiMlarrrr.... CFsoth.eoowDiepacneies;m: May Day, 6 yrs, Sat ............ (NVeii s ) .1
Sorrlreeie,nspcHien
oßgpurep,aearrzttn,eed3r, ,y7r7505t:464151bbt...6...:..h.aai1at0n: 90-
Mr. J.Day's Captain Parry, 6 yrs, 7st 61b(Wakefield) -
... (Canopy)) ."'°
Mr. Austin's Tommy the Tinman, 6st 61b (Preece ...(page) •O
Betting-6 to 4on Sleeping Partner, and 5 ,tnl) o
May Day. Won by a length cleverly—Captain parry ag"
bad third.
Stakes of 5 sovs. each, and 25
That added;f a
two years old and upwards. One mile.
Mr. Cartwright's Bullfinch, 7st 131 b
Mr. Fowler's Monk, 5 yrs
Mr.' Bi3raorwnent'ts,sLAucryis,taogs
Mr. Gulliver 's Lady Blanc
e(dBo(4l.o),L7)t7st 61b.... (9 Sobs)(Cho% as) or
w
..... (Well ) 1
(401.), 7sl 6lb ...... (Rod 8, 2
91b ...(J.
/. 7 t e) 0
(Knott)
.0
he, 6st 13Ib (Charlton) ti
6st 6lb ..( A
Mr. Merry's Ringleader, 4 yrs (40 ),
.6 511311°11311111) 0
Sir C. Ruahout's FIOUECa, (401), ‘.&rcher) 0.
Mr. Jones's The Gift f (1000, Sat 31b (Oliver, jun.) 0
any other. Won by east the Monk
and Lady Blanche,
1 agat Flounce, and 6 to 1 ag 4 to o
head.
°WEDNESDAY.
Betting-2 to 1 agst Lucy, 3to 1 each
The Innkeeper's Stakes.

d and 4 0t
haedded
ibis .................. ... •• ............................. .. ..
Theorem ... ...... .... . ...... .. ......................... , ....... *.. 1
Aristos.• ....................................... .. .............. .., 2
Four others started. Won by a length and *a
..... . ' ... 3
The Railway Handicap of cartes. each, and 25 If.
One mile and aq. (7 sub.., added.
Mr. Cho3•ce's May Day, 6 yrs, 7st 101 b.., „
........
, 7st ......... 1
Mr. Stevens's Sleeping Partner, 4 yr,., ..............
Mr. Stock's Tancred, Wons, 7st 13Ib ......... .. ... '. • ... 2
by a head. .............. 3
ThweinFoleyrintgo
pHaaynsdioavps.otfows
asrodvsse.xepaecnhseasn,
secondthtoe
save his stake. T.Y.C. (16 Subs.)
Mr. G• Henry's Butterfly, 3 yrs, 6st 41b ........
........
Mr. Fowler's Forester, 6 yrs, Bst 71b
Mr. Gulliver's Chilton, 2 yrs 4st 101 b
Six others started. Won by a head.
LANCASTER RACES--W.NESDAy.
Handicap Plate.

LEarndeyryjsetrosneey .. ....
....
.. .
... • •• •

Ljoinhdurioctku,
Little Fawn, 4 yrs, Est 81113 ......••• ••••••"
3erwyricsk, sst
y..;5.: ****
................

"For ray,
A PLAIN ADDRESS.—A sbort time ago a letter Wa3
received at the Yarmouth post-office with this address:—
Norfolk, grandmother, up two pair of stairs, Yarmouth,
Thanks to the active letter-carrier, the document
found its way to the ancient due for TfUona it Wag iateaded.
—,Norfolk Chronick
•

Ef.ECTION., IN TELLIGENCE.:.
1,4„ Tthhte, ntooMi.uiun:htibt7bitofol7tineci,vieclsotteetsdaflo.r. tThhe4e.epwreassehtinatritione
cr.-,wd, very ie)isy,., but _ii3ry gold humour-ea withal,
"Se ' !ed i 42 frudat---01 Ao hu3tiugs on C.;lericopyie47
green. 14,1n-f3oykett, the returning officer, having gone
through tho preliminaries,
proposed Mr. T. S. Deneembe as
a ti and proper p to represent the borough in Par-
li:tment. He inipt-ssed upti the electors the necessity
of returning such 'Men as 'Mr. Dunconibe, for the land-
lords' pea was under the Derby thimble.
Dr. EPPS seconded; the nomination. •
Mr. T. GREEN proposed Mr. James Wyld as a friend
of .the people, and called on the electors to return Mr.
Dencombe at the head of thn poll in combination with
•Mr. Wyld.
Mr. N. LrigiSo,i4r,seconded -the-nomination.
Mr. WILKE! pkiibsed Mr, Alderman Challis, and Mr.
W. TYLER seconded the nomination,
Mr. DuNcomnE, who was enthusiastically received,
then addressed ton electors: He Was there that day for
-the purpose of redeeming the pledge which he gave on
the first occasion when they returned him to Varlia-
ment, namely, that so long as the borough of Finsbury
Was prepared to stand by him he should never desert the
ekctors of Fiesbury.—(Cheers.)-, He was there, he said,
td redeem that, pledge; =but before he went into any
of the questions of tie day he bogged that he might be
allowed co say that ',he stood there unaided and-unas-
sisted by any other cariclidate.—(Cheers.) He had
termed no coalition Whatsoeter.-7(Hear, hear.)-- It was
to the electors, and the' electors, alone, that tie looked
'fOr enpport.—(Seer; hear.) He had been told that -he
had not been quite So complimentary on one or two coca-
'sioris as he ought to have' been towards his fellow-can-
_didates.—(Cries of "Question," " Order," - " Turn 'him
,out," and "It is,the Question.") Ho was told that he
had been uncoufteous to one and unkind to the other.
He could only say, that, if he had, such never was his
intention.—(Brag.) When two candidates appeared.
as it were, to unseat an old respresentative, they mast
forgive him if
..be told them that the old representative
must look wil a little suspicion_ and jealousy upon them,
particularly when they entered the field before any
vacancy occurred.—(Cheers.) But this was all he could
declare—

" How happy could I be with either
Were Vother-fair charmer away,
But while you thus tease me together,
To neither a word will I say."
.—(Laughter and cheers.) The Queen had dissolved Par-
liament, so far as Finsbury was concerned, to send him
to ask his constituents what they thought of Lord Derby
as Prime Minister; and if they returned him again to
Parliament it would be his duty in his place in Parlia-
ment to tell the House of Commons what the electors of
Finsburythouglitof the present Prime Minister—(Cheers)
what they thought net only of the man, but also of his
a a
taxingnththe food
were
measures.—(Hear, hear.) They knew he had told the
country that he wished -to have the opinion of the coun-
oefm the majority
piety opilne,hihsofawvuouuird
set serioueey eteevork and,
coun-
try upon the question of taxing the food of the people—
( El ea r , h e
or in favour hear)—and 0
fd i f
thereDtoerheyffehcatdtshciaturdrooloicfaul
purpose. 'But, whether
Lord
try
majority, he (Mr. Dunconeb.e) cared not. He, on their
part, should dare Lord Derby to propose, and defy him
to pass any
measure for,the taxation of the food of the
pt
he
eo p
el el .e--o t
0(
rLso u c
would
he r e
es. )
say
: the He d(aMr . y
f 0
rDo
hisun cm ma
kbietigt h
profes-
sions u ght
was gone by.—(Loud cries of " Hear, hear.")
He stood there to be judged by his votes, and by the
opinions he had expreeeed in his place in Parliament.
They knew full well what he had done in furthering the
cause of reform, Whether connected with the Church or
with the State,-.-(Applituse.) He was prepared to con-
tinue those exertions
,in
_favour of such reforms. Ho
was what was commonly_ called anti-Maynooth.—
(Hear.) He always opposed the grant when it was
annual, and opposed at every stage the proposal to make
it permanent. He was prepared to oppose that endow-
ment again, if it should come before Parliament, as well
as all other religious--endowments—(Cheers)—proposed
to be effected by the State. He was also against what
was called the militia, and therefore an anti-militia-
man. At the comingeef the new year the compulsory
parts of that measure would be put into execution, and
the honest and industrious mechanic would find himself
drawn away from his home. If it should be proposed
to repeal that measure, his vote should be given in favour
of its repeal.—(Bear.) It was an ill-advised, unnecessary
measure; it was Calculated to create confusion at home
and jealousy abroad.—(Hear.) He had given the electors
a little bill of fare as to what he was against; perhaps
they would like to' know what he was for. He was for
justice to all et home, and against interference in the
affairs of their neighbeuraubroad.—(Hear, hear.) He
said justice and equal rights to all at home, not forget.
ting justice to Ireland.: If any one wished information
on other points, he was ready to give it. He was ready
to answer for any vote, opinion, or anything he had done
since he had had the honour of their acquaintance.—
(Cheers.) He confessed that he wished this struggle
had not been a Contest of Liberal against Liberal. It
would have been more creditable to their cause, and
more satisfactory, he thought, to the constituency of
Finsbury; but, as it was, he had,. acting on the defen-
sive, been obliged to unfurl the old blue and buff now
waving on the breeze.—(Applause.) Those colours had
never been defeated yet—(A. Voice—" Nor sullied")—
and they would dot be defeated now.—(Loud cheers.)
He therefore claimed their confidence and asked for
their support iii vindication of those principles he ever
had advocated, and in which, if a man knew himself,
he should, bo it soon or be it late, close his political
career.—(Great cheering.)
Mr. 'W YLD next addressed the electors, but the politi-
cal antipathies which had been suspended during Mr.
Duncombe's speech broke forth in clamour, which
lasted, with some change of performers, till the pro-
ceedings terminated. He presented himself to the elec-
tors under different circumstances from those under which
the Hon. Gentleman who had just addressed them had
appeared. That Hon. Gentleman had ()maiden to come
before them for the purpose of stating his political faith;
but he (Mr. Wyld) came before the intelligent constitu-
ency of Finsbury tor the first time. Renewing his ex-
pressions of regret that placards of a most scurrilous
kind should have appeared against his opponents—
(Cheers)—he expressed his belief that no person con-
nected with him would have dared to perpetrate acts SO
dastardly and base as those to which he referred. A
placard had been traced to a member of his committee,
and that member of his committee had been required to
resign. He would not carryon a contest with personali-
ties. They. were assembled to- day for the purpose
of exercising one of the greatest privileges of a free
people. He advocated an extension of the suffrage
in almost its widest sense. He was there that day to ad'
vocate the right of every man to a vote, on a residential
qualification of six months, the name of the elector being
also placed on a list of voters. They were there to cast
back into Lord Derby's teeth the declaration he made on
coming into office. The Noble Lord said that one part
of his mission was to repel the wild waves of democracy.
He was mistaken in his mission. The people de
mended political power, and if Lord Derby, or any
other person ' presumed to oppose the mighty will his
party which they would eternally regret.—(Cheers shd
clamour.) A party which for five years had been ob-
structive of progressive improvement, and, by toe
chicanery of men who ought to have known better,
had succeeded to power, had appealed to the people
to ratify a policy which was not clearly detadaend.
but which, according to the statement of the Ch.__
caller of -the Exchequer, " loomed in the future." Pia.
Lord Derby propose to extend to the intelligent memo
leers of that community the right of sending
Parliament?—(Cheers and clamour.) With reste be
education, by the Noble Lord's late minute it would
0.
cribbed, confined, restricted to the peculiar teacfhle 1
gseot.
peculiar dogmas, and within the narrow limits of a
—(Cheers and clamour.) Education must be co-existent
Po.
with an extension of political power.
lie
sake
whether,
litical opponents and his personal enemies _
d not seen
through the whole coarse of his life, they had not
him not merely the advocate of education, but practically
. There were
carrying oat measures for its extension?
tension of
questions of great importance besides the
extion which
Membtto
the suffrage and education. There was a ques
had been taken as for once and for ever
meant the question of free trade. The assembled led
.peoupleest
mighty
t iiltcl was
sett—he
upon that great measure; it would seem
necessary to have a ratification of the decision w ihc h
spite of the
dt
they had already pronounced. In
of landlords and wealthy millionaires, he ventured to
r predictland.ed
one
nTtehh aeftroorf
wereret
hee tradetwo
introductionmweoaus ludre es vohef
he vote
d t
grand jurors of
repeated the
b e
t eh
he y law
nh als l eooetf, e theahre-
other for shortening the duration of Parliamentsf.—
hatllo.emt.
,161...rr.. Bert-
(Uproar.) As coming before the electorsn absence oth_eoffihrsits
thetime,
s State, what
ished
wtohrdoechlautre
obpeifuoirueust.heneH.,o
explanation formerly given respecting
name from lists of divisions on the
ley,bad stated that he ever esteemed_ Detre was
Wy )
e la was another
a suppiirter of that great measure. -
epeestioa on which a representative of
have_to decide, namely, the expedient
Y 8.... Forinsub thorough
revision of the taxation of the empire- O system could
nutry would
dairmt iicol
ue s.
free trade? While
trade in--corn, but had they real
increa •the
labouring classes were subjected to
an
extentaing bo worse than that' which now existed. They had free
on
n he was
com-
petition they were taxed to an enormous on their
twehaluhtheeinite
utseeb,oefeod,ailtyhelitrfbe. soap—articles
tion of taxation was often compensated
whichmcreased
arnegdairntothtehier
interested—the
the
—the
constituency seemed at present 11
. l• Though
were Jews,
queetion of civil and religious ea
land,, h held Eng ethat the
a member of the Church of
consumption. There was a greautaiuigteyhs.ltyiony
creed had a right
members of every sect and
whether
theyto every
.
Every class f
Catholics, Dissenters, or Churchmen.,of o
political -privilege he enjoyed,
burdens the
religionist contributed to the 0
who
fulfilled State;
what right bad they to prevents " every
isterial kind from
function nobly and well of a ne g om being
, _
admitted to the highest functions he could enjoy_
namely, that of legislating for his fellow-subjects? He
was opposed to all State..,
endowments. Taxes raised for
secular purposes should be applied to secular purposes
against him
alone. It had been charged
attendance
in
Parliament,
. that he bad
been unfrequent in his ... Ptliament, and
visions.
bad been absent from many di. Whatever fault
some of his votes in times past,
might be found with s
and
as a
as i friend of religious liberty,Reformer in the
that,
sincerest sense, ventured to say . . his constituents
with him in
shauld have no fault to findtake, not an isolated future.
He
begged the-electors to vote here and
's wholepolitical
might career. If
these,
they but to judge of a man's
so, though they find that he had com-
mitted feielts—and who was faultless ?—yet yet they would
also find that he had not been actuated by aelfish motives
(Len
or personal feelinge--. d cheers.)
Mr. Alderman CHALLIS then addressed the electors
amikincessant clamour,
m
an d Was heard with difficulty
•
even his iiimediate Tie eta Y. He said ;In presenting