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far as the Committee :was • concerned; the ••question
stood. It could not be expected that• he. (Sir J. raking-
ington) could act judicially in-such natteraand as little
could it be expected that the Committee should view jue
dicially these transactions so many yearae. after their
occurrence.—(Hear.) Considering that for, four consecu-
tive years Lord ,Grey, who 'had originally conducted the
transfer, had expressedasit tmeatisfactoryeopinions in re-
femme to thetematterahe (Sir J. Packingtou) shrmils at
this moment from accieptiteg -the responeibeity of nil:ora-
tion to which the Hon. Baronet invited tim.—(llear,
He:considered.that •his duty in. promoting this
Bheiallr.2nnsisted simply in looking to the Act of 1847. 'and
to take care that the New Zealand Company 'should net
be a loser by; e arrangement 'entered ineaundinibtedly
far the benefit of the celony,—(Hear, hear.)' TfiellPns
Baronet eaid, "Leave them strictly to the Ace." That
seemed a very plausielo proposal; but in fact, it_would.
not be a just ono, for this particular clause, in the Act
relating to the terms to be obtained by the company, was
so defectively drawn up that the moat liheraleintere
pretation was Tee/aired. The clause said that the pro-
ceeds_of the sales shall be divided into three portionsaas
first, for emigration; next. for surveys; and the balance
to be apportioned to the New Zealand Convent:. Bats
then the clause eicenot specify the proportiobs, and there-
fore the company said, et. If you. turn us over to a new
Legislature- withthat clause, 'and with nothing else, we
can't tell what- censtruction they may choose zo put upon
it." This was obvious, and hadeed it might ba- that the
company would get nothing, inasmuch.as the "balance"
under this clause could be prevented altogether.—(Hear;
hear.) He thought Lord Grey: had. put -an equitable
construction on the clausseand that no one putting each
a constructioron it would give the company loss than
what was proposed—one-fourth.
Mr. V. sNara considered that the New Zealand
Company was altogether a trading compeer, and as such
he contended, they. •had no claim whatever onthis, coun-
try. They had lost tber money—over
.69Q,0001: —by
this transaction. .; They were destitute shareholders;
their scrip was at fl discount of 75 by the last accounts;
Out still all these circumstances gave them no claim
whatever. He (Mr. Smith) could, see .no necessity •to
depart from the. Act of 1847, unless it was• that they had
great distrust in the. Legislature which they were about
to confer on thet colony:—(Hear, hear.) •
Mr. F. PEEL said there was- no doubt whatever of-
the existence of this debt'-being duet° the; New Zealand
Company. He did, not understand the speech e of the
Honourable Baronet below him (Sir W.. Molesworth).
But it appeared to him (Mr. Peel). as if it . went to-.in--
validate the debt due to the company; though, the
Honourable Beronet adduced no grounds whatever on.
Which to repudiate it. In his mind the question•was as
to how the debt could best be- discharged in the least
burdensomeananuen—(Hear, hear.) . It was clear the
Imperial Treasury could not discharge it, neither could
the Company of. New Zealand. The debt was charged
on the lands of New Zealand, 'ant by these lands it
should be discharge: They - had _ two courses. before
them at preseateane, that suggested by her Majesty's.
Ministers; and the eother that. -suggested. by. the Hon.
Baronet the Member for Southwark. . Some Hon. Gen-
tlemen seetned to think that ..the Government plan was
one-sided, and in favour of . the company; whilst it ap-
peered to him (Ur. Peel) not to be unattended.- with
considerable sacrifice on the part of the New Zealand '
Company. The late Government pointed out tee way
Ito expending theeland fund of, the colony in other modes'
of improvement besides surveys and emigration; and of
these the local legislature, undee, their 'new powers,
would no doubt avail themselves; such, for instance, as:
the opening up and , improving new districts, forming
roads and other public works; and in these respects the
colony derived great advantages from the ariangements.
which had been. made by. Government—advantages
which justified -Government en making them.
Mr. MANGLES complained:that charges had been
' raked up, after an interval-of five years, against the:
company, though Lord Greyehad investigated the whole
in a judicial capacity, and had honourably acquitted the
company. It was impossible for gentlemen and men of
honour to sit silent when they heard themselves arraigned
on such charges. He was as anxious as any one.nhat
the whole of the papers connected with theeransuction
should be laid before the House. At the 3EOIO tithe he.
passing,
n g unwillingo of
thi toß ill 0 anything which might delay the
. The company had been charged
with obtaining the Act of 1847' by false representations..
To negative this. it was only necessary to state that the
whole of. the negotiations had passed through the hands
of the late Mr. Charles Bullere—(llear, hear.) He had
before him a letter from that gentleman,. stating that he
had examined the whole of the legal opinions,
and be-
lieved them, to bemell founded. He was .able to speak
with the greatest absence of anything like, personal feel.
ing, inasmuch as ho had not taken the slightest part in
these transactions. He had been a, director of the New
Zealand Company—so had the Hon. Baronet; but when
the company fell into difficulties in 1833 the Hon.
Baronet found it convenient to retire. He (Mr. Mangles),
however, -would not so treat his former colleagues, in
whose integrity he had the fullest :confidence.—(Hear,
hear.) All they asked for was, that they should 'give
them some better security for what they already pes-
sessed.--(Hear, hear.)
Mr. GLADST9NE had seldom seen the House oc-
with a subject which seemed to be more distaste;
feuulpitedo thein.,-(Hear; hear.) Nevertheless, the matter
was one of extreme difficulty and delicacy; and they
ought not to let the Bill pass without a strong endeavour
to arrive at a just conclusion.—(Hear, hear.) ' There
were four ways of proceeding open to them. First,
there was the plan of the Government, who proposed to
carry over to the Colonial Legislature the control of the
waste lands in the island, subject to the obligation of
Paying ss. per acre to the New Zealand Company% The
second plan was similar, except that the amount to be
paid should.be one.fourth of the price instead of ss.
Tee third plan was that of the Honourable Baronet, who
proposed to give the control to the Legislature, but to
leave the claims of -the. company as they stood. The
fourth plan was one that bad not yet been mentioned
in the Committee, but • which he understood was to.
have been brought • forward, namely, that they should'
postpone the whole matter until another year._
(Hear, hear.) Now, he objected to both the two first
plane asbeing more than the New Zealand Company
were • entitled to under the Act of 1847.—(Hear,
damage
company; but, on the other bane,'
thheearpocoHjoettotfh. olght that they ought not t
. ie
they ought not to put it in abetter position at the ex-
pense of the colony.—(Hear.) The Company relied
upon a letter of Lord:Grey; but the Noble Lord had no
right to fix the claiess of the company.—(Heare hear.)
The statute gave- him no such power. The Act of
Parliament said that the expense of surveying and emt-
gration should 'be defrayed,sand the rate was to be
fixed according to the exigencies of the public service.
The Secretary of State, therefore, .went beyond
hid
power when he determined what
the law hed left une
determined. The Sec St
rotary of 'ate might have com-
mitted hicasela. but he coaldnot bind the public 'faith,—
(Hear, hear.) • Ile (Mr. Gladstone). was desirous of
making as liberal an offer as possible, but he could not
consent. to either of the two first plans. The two, how-
everemight be combined, namely, . that the company
should have one-fourth, provided that it should never
exceed. 55. per -acree-e(Hear, hear.) His Hon. Friend -
(Sir W. •Molesworth) Auld brought certain charges
against the company, but ho (Mr. Gladstone) could not
join in censuring the conduct of the Honourable Baro-
net.. The most that could be said.againsthim was that
hehad chosen to vindicate the public interests against
himself as one tof the former directors of the company.
The charge wasthat the
com
act upon which the company
stood bad been obtained by fraudulent representations;
anctif the Hon. Baronet, proved his case, it would leave
their claims in a* very , questionable position.—(Hear,
p•
beer.) At the same time the Committee ought to have
the means given them of making a full mid complete
answer. to •those -charges. At all events, he (Mr. Glad-
stone) would net be guilty of any act of injustice to
them.—(Hear, hear.) There was one other course open •
to them, and that was the postponement.of the whole
matter. Upon ,this subject he felt a great difficulty in
coming to a decisions He should be reluctant 'to make
the proposhion,unless . the opinion of the Committee
• weroinfavour of it, :and until he knew the sentiments of
several Hon. Moinbers.w.ho had taken a great interest
in ehe 'question, and particularly until -.he knew those
of the Right Hen. Baronet the Member for Ripon. The
proposal of the Hon. Baronet (Sir W. Molesworth)
would .he decidedly mojust to the company, while on the
other hand the postponement would be just to the co-
lony, and vvpuld..bo a great relief. to the Government
and the Committee.
Mr, J. A.- SMIT/1 was at a loss 'to understand why
the llon. Baronet ahould have brought forward such
charges against; the company without informing his
former, colleegue of his intention. Those charges were.
entirely undeserved,- and so- was the. Hon. Baronet's
treatment of the company, who would have been ready
to. have given:him the most complete information on illy
menet respecting which he might have desired it.—
(Hear, hear.) ein the present stated-the session he de-
. spaired of a settlement which could either, be satisfactory
to the House or to the Now Zealand. Company, andbe
was prepared heartily be support a proposal for the post-
ponement of this land question for another year, on the
tinderetanding that there should be a Committee of the
House to CaftZiLia' the -claims and.position of, the New
Zealand Company. They had, as he maintained honestly,
to the bestof their ability, in difficult circumstances, dis-
charged their duty to elle public and, to the proprietors,
and they ought to have an opportunity of being freed
from thoaotharges which the Hon. Member for South-
wark had brought against them, and their claims
should be settled on an equitable construction of the
Act of 1847. . •
• Sir J. P ABINGTON slid he could not consent to se-
paratothe lend clauses, to handing over the land fund to
the colonial' legislature without the claims of the New
Zealatid Company being first provided for, or to strik-
ing the land clauses altogether out of the Bill.
Sir W. "DaoLEswoani said. the directors of the
New Z island,Cornpany-had not eeentradicted one single
o.b_ r
;leee4tlon asst beriasilebrought against them. lid should
lees at- any fatcro time to meet them and sastaai
all his alkgations. •
• . rieu. amendment as then negitived without a
divieien.,

-...gever4l. valaial nna endrzenta were then made in the '
clause, and on the proposition to insert the words "one-
fourth part (4 the sum p:,tid by the purchaser in respect
ed. to substitute de
of esir47y,ovs.uomhalgrw.eolineersatio,tim;"ov.
words
40, opm.lxitenNtl4"ri nos
js;oad..isaoif4outeh-fifot
the one-fourth.
ocimreptiainny3:awneerees:
under which:ono-tenth. of the.proceeds of the land were!
previnusly offered- to,the New Zoatand. c
totally .distinct fiona those under. which the one-fourth
was givau them. .
Mr. AG LIONBY submitted that the measure offered
.to the company was much shorter than they had it right
to exPe°i'•'.
The amendment Was then negatived without a
division. . ..
--eu mined to insert the. words
SirJeLPlakDinsglitoonN'64prtohpositidii was then agreed to.
r. •

at the eniirif the t•at-,..n to the'effect "'Ott the said
payment shall in no case exceed 59. par acre, so sold or
alienated.". When4hey.had got the claim of, .0 bodyt
which Neat& large indeterminate one, the best mode to
aet-Wse to gorridiof.that portion 'of it that ,viss deter-
mined, az.d,
..
..
at-thvisaine-tinae-to bring the burdens within'
reasonable limits.i A _

Mr. ,MANGLE-0 hoped that th© Goveinment would
not went to any such anaUtttlment. Rather thtte accept
of such an artangeritent'he would call upon the Govern-
ment to give the comilanY Back their land and let, them
dual vvitk it ThProasives.. ,

Sir J. AKINGTON tiliii;ght that under the circum-
stances sue. :In alirangement would be most unju-it.
Mr. J. A. Safita iuggeated that the 52. proceeds
should bow a
iron upon ail:lands, urbln as well trural.
Mr. ADDERLEY was lin-favour of the
preposition of
tha Eon: Metubccr ter Chichezter."
Mr. COBD EN slpparted -the •suggestion.
Mr. SCOT said•it :was no dbubt acceptable to the
company; for, much land-might In sold at half-a-crown
anaere:—(A laugh,.)

Mr. GLADSTONE nr),7 understood tbe.OOe2PERY to
ha protesting against the. Gkpreinment Bill.
It so, he
would not be 'liar, to any compulsory'meainre, and
would not, press his minendeaant.
par. AGLiptilif stkidAlle-cornpany were not eat's'
fied, hnt-were,ready to yield to the exigency of the case,
and take what' they coultget_(A. laugh.)
Sir J. PAKINGTON mid be had never understood
the company as protesting parties.—(llear, hear.)
-Mr. GLADSTONE torrid no understand the posi-
tion of the -,company—(Lfeai, li'ear)—were they con-
senting parties or not? Otherwise he would not brink
faith with hiin.

Er. AGLIONBY said they were willing to take
what-?ver they were forced to-take.--( A lawth.)
• The ChANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER thought
the company praised rather too hardly, perhapt, by the
Right. lion. Gentleman: , They were. Protestant Dis-
senters—(A. laugh)—but had- acted on tho whole pretty
fairly, assenting to what they not mist._-(Elear.)
Mr. GLADSTONE said if there wore really no pro-
test on their part hestould press his amendment.
The'lt'ouss then diiided, viten there appeared—
For'tho arnendreent
~.51.,
Against kt
.120
Majority...

;..
,The clause *us agreed 40,1t3 was also clause 75.
On clause 76,

liir J. PAKLNGTON moved to insert words to secure
to the company nn alleged deht.due from the Canterbury
Settlement. - z •

Mr. ADDERLEY objected to the introduction of the
words. -

Sir J. PAKINpTON asked wilether the debt Wes
disputed? .

Mr. ADDERLEY replied that it was..
The clause was then agreed-to, the
words proposed to
be added beiug'postponed to the report,
The reinainiogrelausei were then agreed to, and. the
Bill passed throagh,Committee. •

POOR-LAVV:i3OARD CONTINUANCE BILL.
On the motion for the.third reading of the Bill,'
Mr. BROTHERTON Moved the adjournment of the
lEtouse.—(No no.)
The CLIACELLOR of the E•criEguEß said it
was only proposed to take business about which there
was no disagreement.—(Hear, hear).
,mr..BRQ2B.EgTON then withdrew his motion; but
the third reading: was pbstponed.
TOO ,Woods, Forests, and -Land Revenues Bill was
then read a third-time. • •
Tho Navy Pay Bill 14(13 read a. third time.
The Poor-law Continuance (Ireland) Bill was read a
third time and passed...
;The Sunk. Island Roads Bill was also read a .third
time and passed. , .

. . •
The Tiustees Act Extension Bill was read fl 'third
time and passed.: •. - . - •
-Sir W..JOLLIFFE moved for, sad obtained, leave to
bring in a Bill for alithoriiing and making
cupaticrwof the•HOuse•of Correction recently 'erected by
and for the City of London, at Holloway, in the county
of Middlesex,.'legal the on-
FRO,ME VICARAGE.
[r. HORSMAN moved to neminate the Select Corn-
oh.) He hoped-the
unless the
Hmiotuteese weeoulramlione Vtilielel'nalogetiot(toOl•lp'roeeed, as
Committee were nominated :,to-night, it would probably
beedelayed till Monday, atid••it was most desirable to
avoid anything. that- migtat .give :rise to an impression
out of doors that the Hodbo wished to shirk the inquiry.
HQ, had. endeavoured to make the Committee as fair a
representation of both sides of the question as possible..
'
He was sorry •to-finil, however,, that the Right Honour-
able, Gentl than
e the Member for Oxford University; the
lionourablo and Learned ,Member for Cambridge
University, and the Honourable .Member for South-
Leicester, declined to act, bat he was quite ready
'
to , substitute such • other . names in lieu as might
be suggested.—(Hear.) The .names proposed by the.
Hon. Member were--Mr. Horsinatis, Xr.r.Siloewcrdeetgayte,Waanl:
WilliamGEvoap ne Evans,
Pagehir.
,p. a
jeoWkheon, 0
Abelmi I, irS. iLrsa n
41,3mehnsh' it
Smith,
pole, -Sir David Dundas, Mr, Gla,dinstonneei,i, Mmrr..SstroulitotitSorir.
Mr. Loftus Wigram, Alr.
Mr. Shalt° Adair. ; .• ' ' - . .
Air, WALPOLE thought kessential the House should
take care that the constitution of.the.Cominittee was sa-
tisfactory, and wrii;h-eut wishing- to thwart the decision
the anise came tcc the other night, he could not consent
to .a Committee which he.did not know the constitution
of. , Three gentlethen, the Hon. Gentleman had named
had declined to serve.-4k, the-Members for Oxford and
Cambridge Universities, and ' Mr. Packe—and unless
Hon. Members of equal weight_And ability were substi-
tuted for them, the constitution Of the Committee would
not,be satisfactory, and he must say he saw no prospect
of doing so. at all events at, present.—;(Adjourn.)
Mr. GLADSTONE said his name.had been placed:on
the Committee without his knovriedge;snd nothing short
of the express order of the House would induce Mai to
serve on it. And for this reason
course pursued in this matter hid been strictly constitu-
tional, and he was certainly of opinion that the House
Might to-proceed in a wore definite•form- Charges had
been made against a great biticcr of state, the Bishop of
Bath and Wells, end it' w• „as , -a-he did not think the
-nl y fair • that he should
know that he was acquitted or convicted of the charges
brought against him.
R 0
11"' gave notice that, whin
the Committee was nominated, -it ~,,,,, his intention to.
'
move that the Hon. Member for cockermeath do reduce
the Bishop of Bath and t() heads or articles the several
Wells` La 'do
his
these
headsur articles to the Hata,.
It was his intention to
move that those heads be refurred to the Committee,
who should report their opinion Babied to the
upon the
House.
Mr. E. ELLICE suggested .L. ent of the
.44e postponera
nomination the Conamittee 1;:, f
Mr. S. HERBERT isiid the ..a utaro day. ! eady le-
fused. .. tiouse-had sr to inquire into the state of the law, feeling
that a
prima facie case of malversation- had been
eheirges brought against
in his office In
common justice to the party arraigned made out . against the; Bishop
et
ho ought to have
the charges put upon paper, in orderthat he. might meet
and refute them. Without pret6ua• v whether the
Bishop of Bath and Wells as lag 88.1 i ailty, he
guilty or .no g confessed ho did not think the' • • in any way
to shuffle out of the inquiry. souse ought
Bad and Wells.
Sie B. HALL, for one, had. '1:107 •••
of the inquiry. He trusted that _ this and 'the
next day the Hon, Member for i,
—ockeetweenuth might find
it poSsible tO arrange the
nareca f TMO, .
e_
...,h
hdesiro to
the Government. '3 the Lommitt u I'4'
After a few words from Mr. s • d Sir P.
. „, T-T•-••••••ERT CID.
WOOD, , .
.....itt.
The CHANCELLOR of the XgcHEGUER.said that
the Government, did nOt at all ~,,,,--hd that the HOD.
shuffle out
MemberfOr Coeltermou h hod
-sufficientlyti--t—P—rt consulted
that the re.
solution to which the House haenion.wa
was
an
nnfor-
them on the subject. .148 elm
se, s
tutiate one; but, haVihg adoatQ "isala.t.°ow
the Government
desired that the inquiry should "
ho' f II and
What, under theeircumitances, h a •
0 toss,
.that he shouldf
Hon. Member ,
for Cockermouth ~e would sugg ,
ask
h 1.18 ••••• alter the terns of his
Motion as that inquirys otho baeint6
the
grievances
of the. existing law, and not into the an indi-
conduct of
ran whom alhnow seemed to is
the permission of the lions&
this be anxious to hold free
By adopting t...s from attack. , aufig„tiou be (the Chan-
llor of the ceExchequer) taougbt h„ H„,-,„e would dis-
engage itself f.,_
rem a ,tery einbar„. '', • and
batter f --2 sing situation,
ircastPatorttiahle.
place itself on a r ootiug with
respect to the
inquiry.
Mr. 13R0 raEgTONseccmck'd h
raent of the House.
a'3.lOurn L. i,
at ,(2 motiaia.
as
140 t meet the
wishes of the House with regard
• Cmorl.o,:niellol4sMmoX4smosvaieddthhee w
to _. us o .
:the Committee, and he allowed '
noting it at hour of the mornia„.4: idea of , ,_',‘
'he should wish to persist in. Re.-b as not one
ask
which
Government, however, whether beggedthe„,._ to the
Committee to be nominated on mootfra.,,Znu d
I allow the
• ' '7 —(Adjourn.)
No answer was given to this inqiiiry;•
remarks from Sir J. TYRELL, which and, after some
thu Tee, nommatnioonin?!
' we made amid
manifestations of great,iMpatience, . .
reed The eadtiimi for adfMent Wiiii ' .
The House adjournedourn at twenty re put' aeed to.
o'clock. minutes past two

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