The Sun.
London, England, 1852-06-05 00:00:00

SUN,

Sir W. MOLESWORTH considered when the dis-
cussion was entered upon It was understood that the mi-
nority was to give way to the majority. He was anxious
the BP' should pass, and, therefore, ho hoped the mino-
rity would give way to the majority. If the Govern-
ment should be in a minority on this question, he hoped
they would yield. He was prepared to carry out the
Bill wiliout offering any fectious opposition ; but if the
Right Hon. Baronet held out a threat to the effect that,
if the upper chamber was made nominative instead of
elective, he would throw cut the Bill, that, he con-
sidered, would be a departure frau the previous under-
standing.
Sir J. PATiINGTON freely admitted the fairness
which had characterised the proceedings of the Hon.
Baronet. He would, however, beg to remind him that
at the commencement of the discussion he had an-
nounced to the House a numb-r of important alterations
he made in the measure, principally in deference to the
wishes of other lion. Members. But, having made this
concession, be did not feel justified in denying himself
the privilege of exercising a discretion on the part of
Government when en important principle was brought
into question.—(Hear.)
Mr. WALTER said he entertained strong objections
to the clause, and he thought delay would be of little im-
portance corapnrcd with the eAablislonsent of a constitu-
tion for Now Z.ialah,l sound principles.
The Committee divided, when there appeared—
For the clause ... 132
Againzt it ... 89
• Majority

The clause was tilen agreed to, and so were the clauses
up to 67
On clause 68, relating, to the powers of the assambly
to rnalfl altru.,ions in the constitution,

Sir E. BUXTON 6aid that nothing. could be more
dangerous tha❑ to give a power to the colonists to esta-
blish any iatertial superiority of themselves over the
native population., lie hoped some words would be in-
troduced to limit the power of the General Assembly in
such a case.

Sir J. PAKINGTON did not think that the Legisla-
ture would desire. or that the Governor would allow of
any such superiority but to prevent mitconception, he
should consider the point before the bringing up of
the report.

The clause was agreed to.
On clause 71, which provided that the Queen and Go-
vernor mieht cause the aborigines laws to be maintained,
Mr. ANSTEY thought that the amendment of which
he had given notice was preferable to the clause as it
stood.
Sir W. MOLESW OATH wished to direct the at-
tention of the Secretary of State to the immense power
which the clause would confer on the Governor of New
Zeelend. Under this clause the Governor might se-
lect any district in New Zealand and convert it into a
native district, by establishing native laws and customs
therein.
Atter a few words from Mr. Walpole, Sir W. Moles-
worth, and Mr. Aglionby,
The clause was ordered to stand part of the Bill.
Clause 72, which gives a power to the General As-
sembly to regulate the sales of waste lands having been
proposed,
Mr. F. PEEL said he' believed that the clause was
wholly unnecessary, and would give no powers which
were not already conferred. He would therefore suggest
that it should be omitted from the Bill.
Sir J. PARING fON said that the only complaint of
the Hun. Gentleman against the clause was that it was
mere surplusage; but he (Sir J. Pakington) would
rather that that complaint shculd be made than that any
doubt should exist as to the object and effect of the
measure.
sir H. WILLOUGFIBY said he wished to know what
security there would exist after the passing of that mea-
sure for the payment of the loans made out of the Im-
perial i,:xchequer to the New Zsaland Company?
Sir J. PAKINGTON stated that those loans bad been
cancelled, upan en undehstandieg betGeen the Govern-
ment and the New Zealand Company. He should add,
that he earnestly hoped that the old quarrels between
the company and the Government would not again be
revived.
Mr. AGLIONBY said that the loans had been can-
celled under an arrangement entered into in the year
1847, by which the company gave up their clatuas to a
vast tract of land in the colony; He entirely agreed
with the Right Honourable Gentleman the Se-
cretary for the Calonies, that it was most desirable that
the old differences between the Government and the
New Zealand Company should no longer be remem-
bered of discussed.
Aster some further conversation tho chime was
agreed to.
Clause 73 was also adopted.
On clause 74 being proposed,
Sir NV. MOLESWORTH rose, and contended that it
ought to be struck out ot. the Bill.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
had no objection to the postponement of the clause.
Mr. AGLIONBY observed that the two succeeding
clauses ought also to be postponed, inasmuch as amend-
ments had been prepared and sent to the Colonial-office,
with a letter setting forth the grounds on which the
New Zealand Company founded its claims, and which
amendments the Secretary of State for the Colonies had
certainly not had time to consider.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER had no
wish to press the Committee to proceed further at that
moae nt, and would suggest that the Chairman should
report progress, and ask leave to sit again on Thursday
next, ater Supply.
The House then resumed, and
The CHAIRMAN reported progress and obtained
leave to sit again on Thursday.
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said it
would be for the convenience of Hon. Members if he
stated that he proposed to take Supply on Monday, and
the Metropolitan Burial Bill and the Water-works Bill
on Friday evening next.
On the motion that, the House at its rising should ad-
journ to Monday.
Mr. ANSTEY rose amidtt loud groans and cries of
" Oh." Hon. Members (said Mr. Anstey) must know
from long experience that that sort of thing would not
go down with him.—((fh, oh, and laughter.) He was
proof against al that.—(Renewed laughter.) Ile wished
to draw the attention of the Chancellor of the Exchequer
to the subject of certain pipers long promised, relating
to the disgraceful business of the expulsion of Protestant
missionaries from the Austrian territories, and contain-
ing the Earl of Malmesbury7s acquiescence in the pro-
ceedings of the Austrian Government. These papers
had not yet been laid before the House, and be now
begged to ask the Right Hon. Gentleman to use his in-
fluence to obtain their production.
believed he
thepapers
must
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soon as they were ready be presumed they would be laid
upon the table.
Lord D. STUART wished to put a question to the
IlpQrU
Chancellor of the Exchequer respecting some papera
which had been laid before the House that day with re-
gard to 7he outrage committed upon M-r• Mather, a British
subject, by an Austrian officer in Tuscany. It would ap-
pear (rem those papers that her Majesty'aGovernment en-
tirely disavowed the procc edings of Mr. Scarlett in that
case. As he read the papers, Lord Malmesbury entirely
disavowed Mr. Scarlett, and was not at all satisfied with
the arrangements which had been entered into by that
gentlemen with the Tuscan Government.' He trusted
the Right Hon. Gentleman would inform the House
whether he was right in so 'reading these dispatches,
and whether it was the intention of the Government to
take any further steps to obtain redress for the outrage
committed on a British subject.
EXCHEQUER
The CHANCELLOR of the
must
say that he was rather surprised at the inquiry of the
Noble Lord. The Government had laid upon the table
all the papers -which related to this subject, and yet the
Noble Lord asked what opinion he was to form, and
what conclusions he was to draw.—(Hear, hear, and a
laugh.) The pipers would soon be in the hands of every
Hon. Member, and he must ask the House to form its
own opinion upon them. lie was 'confident that that
opinion would be satisfactory to her Majesty's Govern-
ment, though he would not answer for what might bo
the opinion of the Noble Lord. :All he could say was,
that the Government had fulfilled their duty in laying
the whole of the papers on the table; that there had
.been no reserve ou their part; and that the Noble Lord
was now in a position to form his own opinion upon the
subject.
Lord D. STUART said the Right Hon. Gentleman
did not seem to understand his question.---(Order, order.)
He wished to ask whether it was the intention of her
Majesty's Ministers to take any farther steps to obtain
redress for the outrage committed on the person of Mr.
Mather?
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said
his answer was that they bad placed on the table of the
House all the papers relative to the subject, as also a
dispatch describing the ulterior steps that her Majesty's
Ministers were prepared to take on the subject.—(Hear.)
Mr. MILNES thought when the papers were before
the House, and when the question was repeated, the
Government would be able to give a satisfactory answer.
SUPPRESSION OF BLASPHEMOUS ASSEM-

' BLADES.
Mr. WYLD wished to know by what authority as-
semblages of persona in Bonuer's-fields were dispersed
by the police of late?
Mr. WALPOLE replied that the question had been
previously answered. Information was received at the
Hotne•office that parties lectured publicly on blasphe-
mous and profane subjects, to the great annoyance of
many; and instructions were accordingly given to pre-
vent such assemblages, as they were prevented in Hyde-
park, St. James's, and other public parks.—(Hear.)
The question that the House at its rising do ajourn to
Monday was then put and carried.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.

A messenger from the Lords brought up the follow-
ing Bills, to which their Lordships hut agreed:—
Bride (Glasgow) and other Works.
AU
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Tni
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St. Helen's Gas.
teWrnatuonrdwoßrkigFa.wear
Roads.
London (City) Improvements.
Alvidkahrough'and Guisbroug h Railway.
Sharpies and Hoghton Road. •
Shields and Morpoth Roads.
Merthyr Tidfil Waterworks. •
Sotncrsetshiro Cemtral Railway, without amendment.
Manchester, Sheffield, and Lincolnshire Railway (1.)
London Gas Light Company (Amendment of Acts,
So.—No. 2). _ _

Portrhsh Elarbour, with an amendthent.
PARLIAMENTARY REPRESENTATION BILL,
The second reading of the Bill was negatived without
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a division.
TURNPIKE ACTS CONTINUANCE BILL.
Thin Bill passel through Commit►ee.
PA.SSENGERS-ACT AMENDMENT BILL.

0,A!I cirition that ;hi ai amplified be con

Mr. BROWNE moved the insertion of a clause giving
a power of appeal to shipowners ag4inst the decision of
Palieugers' agents.