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lead us to assent to such an arrangement? These "powers,"
it ai,Nared, had promised to ca:ry out corresponding r-
rangements as to the desertions of our own sailors in fereiga
ports. But the terms were not equal. For in this country
the deserter would have a fair trial; on the continent be
would find tio law at all, but arbitrary power. The " ar-
rangemetifs" alluded to, then, were disgraceful and scan-
dalous; and whoever had entered int tem ouht to be
punished. It wi,uld be said that the measure merely referred
to merchant ships; but it was clear that it also referred to,.
ships of war, from the phrase" belonging to foreign poers,
Wasw this
which was to be found in one of the clauses.
country, then, to become the gaoler of the Holy
not for the purpose of immuring Napoleon—(he wished lc
had him now ; he meant Napoleon the Little, in place of 14171
poleon the Great) but for the le
oft such wretehe
slaves of foreign despots who endeavoured here to exchane
their condition for that of freemen in this land of liberty..._:'
was an extradition Bill, and most unconstitutional and ale.
creditable. He moved that it be read a second time that
Alliance-;

day six months.
Lord D. STUART, in seconding the amendment, said cer-
tainly it would be beneficial to the commerce of the country
to have the power of preventing the desertion of our mer-
chant seamen in foreign ports.— (Hear, hear.) And if the
Bill only referred to merchant vessels, it could not be ob-
jectionable. But he believed it referred to ships
it countenanced the rumours current that the syMofe
and it was in truth an act of extradition, by which thil
country would become the tool of fo:eign despotism,
war;
•
of the present Government were with absolutism. The gear
men of foreign ships of war were not, like ours, voluntarily
enlisted, but were compellest to enter into the service. TV
was the case with the Poles in the case referred to, lc°
had been told they were going to Kain.chatka, and fancied
this country was Kamschatka—( Laughter).—but having
eerspaeobprol:do,f bthuitatheoe
once found out what it was, resolved to remain here. BY
porth'
passing such a Bill as this, they might conciliate despotic
its way to the statute-book theyywouldngbe doing nothing
yohwtroyu.ld
Bassurleetdtliy shock tahehfejlellictorigda
more nor less than making themselves the humble servants
of cruel foreign Governments, and be doing their dirty Wee
for them.
Mr. HENLEY said it was not his intention to follow the
example of the Noble Lord and the Hon. and Learned 31°1:
her for Youghal, who, whilst they deprecated delay, weint-
themselves causing obstruction by making Wel:
which they travelled from all sorts of places, No •--
rye
chatka to this country, without urging anything „ally to
Lon* _A
point at issue.—(Hear.) He must first tell the Noble
that this Bill e as prepare :1 by the late Government in coli
sequence, as he (Mr. Henley) believed, of the very g•enege
complaint made by the owners of merchant ships in _' a
country, as to the inconveniences arising from the desera,co
of their seamen at foreign ports. At present there was no
power on the part of foreign ports to render assistance,„a
getting these seamen back, and we couldnot any
ask the ssiee"
ance of foreigners without givinhethe quivalent. The,
doctrine that a man as aoon as set foe e --this soil shoal'
not be delivered up applied just as ton this
his
°pith° 0 to
much in
merchants' ships as Queen's ships.
es ee D. ceare AV r re fh. 0fi.,,... 41, ;. n Iffirg''—eae.
Mr. HENLEY—There was no.liaigain'Xiit- shill, was
sirable to assimilate the two cases. If Hon. Gentlemen the
posite thought it desirable to deprive her Majesty of tn.:
advantage of getting back seamen who had deserted glom
Queen's ships, let them pursue their object. The board over
which he presided had felt it to be their duty to mbia__
merchant ships: it would be for the House of -Commons, I_l
deal with the Queen's ships. The main alteration he no:
made in the Bill was in conformity with the Portuguese Act
and provided that a parson could not be apprehended exc isie
on information upon oath. - ( Hear, hear.) If the 110 Itse!
chose to make the words particular instead of general, 17
had no objection, but he certainly thought it advisable tc_
extend the same powers to Queen's ships. He thought tpa
House might have been spared the very unnecesssry d 5
,5:
play of declamation they bad heard from the Noble Loro„
but it sometimes happened that those who were loudest ea
their alk abot liberty were not it best champions.
et ,ed
Mr.t HUMEu should be contenteds if the Bill were cons
to merchantmen. It was of the first importance that WI
should not lose the 'vantage ground which the Noble
Geer
lately at the head of the foreign department (Lord G
villa) bad declared he would secure for political offendeiee, ,
Colonel THOMPSON opposed the Bill. He thou
things had come to a pretty pass in this country if we niu t
follow the example of Belgium, Switzerland, and Piedrn.on,
in demanding the extradition of those foreigners who had
made themselves obnoxious to their Governments on accooo'
of their political opinio ns.thud
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER observed r
the motion before the House was for the second reading 4:1
the Bill, and any alterations must be reserved until it ala:
passed that stage. The Hon. Member for Montrose 'esl
misstated the origin of this Bill, which had not been frainit:".
in deference to the wishes or dictation of foreign powers, t 13021
out of regard to the necessities of the English Governin !e,
t —( Haar, hear.) It originated with an English Governm eaf
en
and was intended for English purposes, and ctd it had be
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framed in the manner most likely to effect the obje ,
view. There were no treaties with other countries exoeiyil:
Portugal, and therefore it was necessary to proceed by
let, i
lation.—( Hear, hear.) And if the Bill were limited to m Oil;
chant seamen difficulties would be thrown in the way orf
main object. Although perfectly willing to conside
,t,lei.„
suggestions of Hon. Gentlemen, he would not pledge him.
41)t,
to their adoption. At present, by limiting the operation
~,
the Bill its very purpose would be defeated.—(Hear, llea. ,
Lord PALMERSTON said that the Right Hon. Genam
man the Chancellor of the Exchequer had in some dee=d?
misconceived the circumstances out of which this Bill tia
arisen. At least he (Lord Palmerston) inferred this Dint to,.
' be only the accomplishment of an intention on the part log
her Majesty's late Government. The circumstances -On -,
fleeted with this Bill were these. The late Govern'
etan :
received some time in November an application from th
Et
Swedish Government, asking them to conclude with Swe del
a treaty with regard to the surrender of seamen, similart 0!
that entered into with Portugal in 1842. The stipule; ]. nr
in the treaty with Portugal was to the effect, that ea_ h7_
the two parties agreed not to retain in the service ofb :i:
state deserters from ships of war, but to discharge td
er ~
There was no eneagernent, however, as to the " surren .11
of such parties ; but the treaty further stipulated that ,all
of rill
magistrates, consuls, and others should afford every
rofaceir2 0 s
their power for the apprehension of deserters from t• a
an engagemen .
vessels, the subjects of other powers. It was •
d Um le r
that sort that the Government of Sweden desire . •
e then Pre si
the circumstances his Right Hon. Friend th
Palmerston''`
dent of the Board' of Trade, with his (Lord h_,
concurrence, instead of entering into formal treaties, w ir-10.
d i most co
were invariably the subject of delay, eemed
to Perlis-
venient and most prudent to propose a measure t
otherwise,
meat giving the Crown, by order in Council or
rs to the
power to enter into arrangements with other powe
fore
OW
same extent as with Portugal. He presumed, therhee .
we , _
the present Bill was framed in conformity with t, le::
Trade. To such an
so expressed by the late Board of
esent measure
tent he though the Bill expedient; but the
prim (Lord Pal-
went beyond the limit to which, at all events,
t to the
to Bugg
consideration was a party; and he ventured •
t would not be
consideration of the Government whether i.
s of the Bill
advisable in Committee to make the provisioli
the treaty
identical with the stipulations contained in
with l'ortugal. The matter would then stand thus:
for the mutuai l
there would be no arrangement
but the re•
surrender of deserters from a ship, n such
spective parties would agree not to retai
t vessels would not
deserters; and deserters from merchan
d others would give
be delivered up, but magistrates an
d.
them. A case
every facility in the way of apprehen ing
f a ship.of-wae
occurred last summer of a deserter rom
would have placed the
which, if this Bill had been law, • •
non. A Turkish
Government in an embarrassing
ostremained there a cone
frigate came to Portsmouth, and
dtothe vessel, in con-
siderable time. A person attache
others on board, left the
sequence of some dispute with
of Portsmouth. In
ship, and escaped into the streets
the man bad to go into Hasler
con-
sequence of illness, however,
un lea-
Hospital. Now it would have been exceedingly f
the
sant to have had to deliver that man up;
r i
ship had returned to Constantinople, it eas not very likely
at all ey
this party would have been on
h ) He
reached their destination.—(H ar,bWird hear, and a laug when th
.
thought all commercial objects would be attained by mo-
delling the Bill on the Portuguese treaty.f the Bill were
Gn-
now read a second time, it would be open
to the over
ite
ment to consider whether they would not re-consider
details.—( Hear, hear.)
Mr. P. HOWARD deprecated the attacks
rs, whichbut h had been
ailed the
made on the Governments of foreign powe •
•ved as their bst -
silence st ith which they had been recei
to the charae ctercon nt
demnation. He thought it derog y
aetrto be indulged in. II
Parliament to suffer such inveceue
vcond time, he would sug
the Bill were now read to a
Select Committee.— (No.) e .
gest its being referred to a
PSONT was of opinion that the
Mr. Alderman THOM . e
this country would be p T
mercantile interests of . osi wet,/
Th •
t this Bill. e circumstances of •
neglected withou navi glee
materially char: d
lion had been very ge of late. Our puer-
to San Fre •
chant ships proceeding
th ucisco lost their crew*
and were delayedfor
_mon s ; whilst foreign vessels prier-
sued their way in
.saefety. He should like to see the pre,-
visions of the Blann Shippin-
g Act applied to merchant%
saVors.
Lord J. RUSSELL hoped the Bill
time, although he concurred with the Hon. Member firs
3lontrose that the object of it should be more fully set fort&
in the preamble. Objections might lee taken to certain'
powers; but he deemed the Bill to be of so much importance
to the commercial marine of the country that he trusted
there might be a satisfactory
Mr. T. D'E ' adjustment of details.
• YN COURT asked for more explicit • f rn"1"
in o
ton as to the scope ti )
to of the Bill. It would be discredits! I
pass a measurewith..?-i
there respect to the provisions of whit
could be any doubt.
Mr. THORNELY said that as the law now stood, U'
slaves belonging
to a Brazilian vessel landed on our shoe res
they became free • but the
should we not be '
compelled to place them i »ld arise, in case tl its
question would
Bill passed,'
board again as African slaves.
Lord D. STUART—To be sure we should.
Mr. AGLIONBY regretted that the Government had no
more explicitly stated their intentions before going into'
Committee. He would vote for the second reading, but;
would give his opposition to the Bill in Committee, if there'
were not an exemption made in it in reference to men
&
War.
Mr. RICE concurred in the observations made by the'.
Noble Lord the Member for Tivertoa, and would vote for the'
second reading.
Mr. FORSTER said that nobody objected to the application
r.
of the Bill to merchant ships, but they objected to ite 005
beyond that. that
iqr. GOULBURN said that as they were all agreed.
he
thought
some measure should be passed on the subject,
the rational course was to agree to the second reading.hm__t
Mr. WALPOLE said that the object of the Gover en
tere i
d •nto
was simply to carry out certain arrangementsenWhatever
with foreign powers on the subject of desertion.
those arrangements were they were stipulated for
in the
_,
treaties entered into with Portugal and Sweden. It s!ern.i.e."
to him that there would be no necessity. for inserting
0111,."ey,'
preamble the arrangements alluded to in the Bill, a t"
lver-
were perfectly well known. The Hon. Member for Wo .
hampton (Hr. Thornely) seemed to think that slaves In r.
Brazilian ship should be delivered up if this Bill were adopted.
There was, however, nothing whatever in the Bill that 5)7.
plied to such a case. It only applied to seamen desertiag
their sps( Her.) wbo
Mr. THORNELY said that if they restored a man
had been a slave, he would remain a slave for life.
Sir
Aer a few word from Mr. J. BELL,
Sir venture A. COCKBURN would to suggest that pewee
should be given to a magistrate to take into consideration
It
circumstances under which the desertion takes p'ace%
jai
might, for instance, be occasioned by ill-treatment/ w'
would justify such desertion. theca-
selves to
Mr. ANtake the STEY sai
ro d if
sed the Malte inisters
rations into wouldth ledge
ear . cons
ieera-
ppore
tion, and that they would draw a distinction betweenel me
_t.,
chant ships and those in the service of a foreign Govern "
he would not press his amendment. in to eff,l
Mr. WALPOLE said he wished simply to carry
tutted
the treaty of Portugal and the other arrangements cone
in by the Hon. lied Learned Gentleman. Bill Mr. ANSTEY having withdrawn his amendment the
was read a second time.
CHARITABLE TRUSTS BILL. ,e objet
The ATTORNEY-GENERAL rose to explain j", 0 o A.
of this Bill befog tho 14Po Went illt9 ce9gawCl9