The Sun.
London, England, 1864-06-03 00:00:00

THE CONVICT WHITE.

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In reply to an Hon. MEMBER,
Sir G. GREY said that his attention had been called to
the subject, and he had received a letter from Mr Payne on
the subject, and it appeared that the party convicted had
been sentenced to five years' penal servitude, and had been
a very abandor,ed criminal. He defended the conduct of
Mr. Payne irk his judicial character.

ACCIDENT FROM ARTILLERY PRACTICE.
Sir M. LOPES asked the Under Secretary of State for
War, whether his attention had been called to the fatal
raccident which has recently taken place from artillery
practice in Plymouth Sound; and what measures he pro,
pose to recommend is order to prevent the repetition of so
painful a disaster.

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The Marquis of HARTINGTON said that unfortunately
the accident alluded to had occurred, and instructions were
given that the artillery practice should be suspended until
the report had been received.
ENDOWED SCHOOLS.

On the motion that the orders of the day should be left
till after the notice of motion relative to education,
Mr. ADDERLE Y moved—" That this house, having
considered the Minute of Council of the 1 lth of March,
18M, on endowed schools, is of opinion that it does not
meet the objections made to the minute of the 19th of May,
1863." Having described the effects of these minutes, he
discussed various matters of detail, and examined the prin-
ciple which had been laid down by Mr Lowe for the distri-
bution of the Parliamentery grant, which made it an elee•
mosynary fund, and placed the distributor in the condition
of a relieving officer; contending that the right principle
was the very reverse of this. He considered the different
kinds of endowment, and insisted that the claims of en-
dowed and unendowed schools might be reconciled with-
out any injustice or confiscation, and that the distribu-
tion should be on fixed conditions.

Mr. WALTER observed that the principle at issue be.
tween Mr Adderley and himself was really very limited.
The question was whether endowments were to be consi-
dered of the nature of public property, applicable to cer-
tain purposes, in the hands of trustees; or of the nature
of private subscriptions, and to be reckoned as such. He
cited cases of large endowments and small subscriptions
where the schools had received Government grants, and
should on principle oppose, he said, in the distribution of
the grant, the respecting of endowments, whether large or
small.

Mr BRUCE explained very fully the views of the com-
mittee of the Privy Council on this subject, and the effect
and operation cf the minute of March. It was the des:re
of the committee not to blunt the edge of voluntary efforts,
while it was their bounden duty, where money was not
required, to hold their hand. He opposed the resolution.
Upon a division the motion was negatived by 119 to 111.
SELECT COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION
(I N SPECT OR S' RE PO RTS).

The adjourned debate on Lord PALMERSTON'S motion
for the nomination of the Select Committee (of 15 members)
on Education (Inspectors' Reports), with the amendment
moved by Mr. CLAY, " that the Committee do consist of
five members, to be nominated by the General Committee
of Selection," was then resumed,

Mr. BOUVERIE, in supporting the amendment, sug-
gested that to the five members nominated by the General
Committee two members should be added, to sit only as

assessors.

This suggestion introduced a new element of disoussi'n ;
it was approved by the CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER
and opposed by Mr. DISRAELI, as taking the house by
surprise.

After considerable discussion, Mr. CLAY'S amendment
was agreed to.

Mr. BOUVERIB then moved that two other members,
to be nominated by the General Committee of Selection, be
appointed to sit on the select committee, without the power
of voting.

This motion was agreed to.
COURT OF CHANCERY (IRELAND) BILL.

On the order for the second reading of this bill,

Mr. LONGFIELD moved to defer the second readirkg
for
three months. He gave a long history of the 'inquiries into
the Irish Court of Chancery, and of the r dorms
effected in
its system, and took exception to the
constitution of the
Royal Commission, on whose reco-drmendations the present
bill was framed, which was aripointed, he said, in order to
,
give effect to a preconceive'.l determination. He otjected to
the changes proposed 6-, this bill, which were unnecessary
as well as costly, ad' jing. ten officers to the judicial staff at
an expense to the country of £12,000 a year.
Mr. VANC'A seconded the amendment.
Mc, O'H 'AG •
A. 04 referring to the exposition he had given
of the eb-Jer,t and machinery of the bill when he obtained
leave t o introduce it,proceeded to reply to the observations,
sorr,e of a general and others of a pare icular character, made
ky Mr. Longfield, remarking that the measure in all tts
parts had been recommended by commissions of the highest
authority, and that the changes it proposed had been
for some time in operation in England, with the approba-
tion of the profession and the people of this country.
He vindicated the competency and impartiality of the
members of the Commission, to the constitution of which
Mr Longfield had excepted, justifying their recommenda-
tions. He denied that, by the bill, either the number of
judges was increased or the expense. The only new offices
created were a -Vice-Chancellor and three clerks, while
three Masters in Chancery would be abolished, and ulti-
mately there %Mid be a saving to the country of £4,500 a
year.

Mr VIIITESIDE, in a speech of considerable length,
discudSed the evidence collected in the several inquiries into
tke constitution and practices of the Court, bearing upon
the rosin portiens of the bill—those relating to the demo-
lition of what he deemed most useful offices, and the crea-
tion of new ones; to the new form of procedure, this por-
tion of the bill being, he said, very clumsily drawn, and to
the cost. The abolition of the masters, which had given, he
said, great satisfaction to suitors, he thought, was as woll
as the introduction of chief clerks, a mistake; the proposed
new form of procedure, instead of the present simple form,
was a retrograde step ; there was no evidence to show that
ono Vice- Chancellor and the staff would suffice to dispose
of the business; and, though Mr O'Hagan had stated only
the place that would be created, he (Mr Whiteside) sug-
gested the places that might be created he was assured
would be created. Lastly, he considered the bill that would
have to be paid for these questionable reforms ho estimated
at upwards of £13,000 a year to begin with.
The ATTORN EY-GENERAL replied to Mr Whiteside,
who, he said, had in 1856 brought in a bill to abolish the
masters, and to appoint not one Vice-Chancellor, but three
Vice-Chancellors, in the Court of Ireland, and to introduce
th-e system of chief clerks. He read opinions of officers
of that court in favour of the assimilation of its system and
practice to those of the English Court, and urged the house
not to be led away by the arguments of Mr Whiteside.
Mr, GEORGE defended the course taken by Mr. White-
side in 1856, which, he said, had been misrepresented by
the Attorney-General. He opposed the second reading of
the bill.

Mr. SCULLY supported the principle of the bill, which
was opposed by Mr. S. Fitzgerald as a wrong one.
Mr. MALINS was not satisfied by the arguments of
Mr. Whiteside that the bill should be opposed,
The amendment was withdrawn, and the bill was read a
second time.

The Court of Queen's Bench (Ireland) Bill was likewiss
read a second tirue.

The report of the Committee of Supply was brought up
and agreed to.

The remaining business having been disposed of, the
house adjourned at 20 minutes past 1 o'clock.

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