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—(Hear, hear.) I admit that I like the clergy in their
proper laces.—(aear, hear.) They tire geed judges i%
I metiers of religiefie but with regard to morality I hold,
that the laity are teti to ea good judges, sod are 'ills?, as
1 much entitled to fetid se opinieu upon that tut,ire as
trey bishop or Terson.—(Ueer, and laughier.):; Neer,.
1 Lord.Dt rby declares that he looks fur the education of
' the people of this country mainly to the members or the
Established Church. I also look to them in their proper
sphere; but I have the strongest opinion that the Dis-
senters have contributed to the educaiion of the people
quite as much as the ministers of the Establishment.—
(Hear.) Now, take that observation of the Ministers in
reference to their reliance upon Church of England
olergyrtiet for the education of the people in conjunction
with the alteration of the Minutes of Council recently
effected in reetence to the national schools. Up to
wunin the, last 'urea weeks the clergemen was only the
judge of the rAgious tendency of the books admitted
into the school; but by an alteration, which I consider
most objeotionabai in its character, the question as. to
the moral tendency of the works and the moral character
of the schoolmaster is referred to the clergyman, and
from the clergyman to the bishop and taken altogether
how did they propose to fill them up?
Riding to
of fill
the up those
eotuhnot
out of the power of the laity.—(Hear.) To that change
I decidedly. object; and I will show you thereby what
is the leatnng and tendency of those now in power.—
(rlear with.segard to reform in Parliament, what
is their conduct. During the present Administration
four seats fell vasnt. T
of of
Theyuyr
os
repk,soshp;iorselFdttaking
out all the manufacturing towns
with the exception of one—Leeds, and making a divi-
sion .of that county, whereby landlords and farmers only
would have been enabled to return two Members to Par-
dividethheeyproposed
West
liament, without any power being reserved for the ma-
nufacturing community. In Lancaster, what course do
Ley pursue there? It was proposed to divide the
southern portion of the county, and to give two Mem-
bers to the West Derby Hundred; for, by an odd coin.
cidence, such is the name of the place where the power
of the First Minister is predominant.—(Hear, hear.) It
is as if the western division of the county of Cumber-
land were to be divided, and you were to carve outs
dishier of that western division, 20 miles in circumfer-
ence, of which •Whitehaven Castle shall be the centre~
(Laughter)--and then yon will have a notion o_f te_e
division they intended to make.—(Hear, heat) W lit
of
• n the
now, gentb,men, wi,h regard to the extension ,
Lord DerbY 5
suffti.a.gs3,_you have had a specimen of , ,
.teee'e
adete--prep.o'Serf -that every 'militiatatitisr(urs" 1
clamoar, and cries of " Who originated it?")—he lire-
posed that every militiaman who could he induced tO
take a peen), a day and leave his master and his work,
and put himself' under martial law, shall be entitled to
the suffrage at the end of two }ears.—(Laughter and
cheers.) That is the extent of his doings towards the
extension of the suffrage.—(Cheers and uproar.) Well,
gentlemen, I must any It is in your hands, end in the
hands of the electors of this ceuniry, now to whom to-
day it is confi.led to decide whether you will have a Go-
vernment of constitutional progress—but of decided
progress—or whether you will have a Government the
very most of A Mel) can be said that it is determined to
sand stock-still, but, I believe, is determined, if an op-
portuuity be g:tea to if, to undo ail that has been done.
—(Cheers and groans.) Rumemter. that Lora Derby
has frankly avowed that in b's opinion the corn-lam
ought to be reimposed; and he desires to have an oppor-
euery ot doing it if he can command a majority in the
Elothe of Commons. Unless ho has that majority he
care not—(Cheers)—and it is for you to bear your part,
and to take care, as her as Carlisle is concerned, that
no doubtful person is your. representative.—(" Hear,
hear," cheers, and groans). I hear that it is saitethe re-
itu; osit:on ef toe corn-law has been abandoned;
to
we shall have something which will be
c to
o the same pu,pose, and give just redress
the agricultural interest by a reiisien of
tsxadom—aHa.,
k r, hear.) dr. Hume recently moved
for a Most iosttuutiV
termed Justice
towards the
wito regard to what is
would euppose,
froan what rdaihe agricultural interest. You
ies..id that all pro eaten is
withdrawn f tom the agricultural
thet, what do we find is thoc interest. Instead of
e?
By a
auted to the Home of Commons, it a
PPrs
thatreturn
thepre-
ac e-
year 1850 (which is the latest date towelnchth ret urn
can be made oat). 914,000/. was levied in duties on raw
:ogsieeousul produce imported in that year, while the
who'e of the duty levied upon manufactured articles was
only 450,0001. At this very moment, with la. duty upon
corn, 4000001. was levied on corn in 1850; I think,
160,0001. upon butter ' • 70,0001. upon cheese; and
50.000/ neon tallow; sad all large sums upon fruit and
la geahle productions. And again, I repeat, that in
1850 no less than 914,000. was levied upon raw produce
for the protection of agriculture, while the protection of
the manufacturing interest amounts to no more than
450,000/.—(Hear.) Now, talk of justice to agriculture.
The landlords are strong enough, and have been long
strong enough, to take care of themselves.—(Hear.)
What has been done in respect to the tithes? What are
these burdens—those peculiar burdens—on agriculture?
Formerly the parson had an equal right with the land-
lord to all the increased produce ot the estate. His
right has been cut off. By the passing of the Tithe
Commutation Act the landlord is prospectively in the
exclusive et.joyment of all his produce. A tithe of all
the pro3uce was formerly divided between him and the
parson, but within the last 15 years those tithes have
been commuted greatly to the advantage of the land-
lords.—(Hear.) So also with regard to the Poor-law;
the burden of the maintenance ot the poor, very much
falling upon real property, has progressively diminished.
I incurred a great deal of obloquy at the time for the
support I gave the Poor.law. That decrease of charge
is to be attributed to self-government—to the power
given to the Government to manage their own affairs,
and through the medium of that self-government great
reforms have been elf cted and a great amelioration in
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the poor-rates.—(ll, ar.) You know something about
twit with regard to municipal reform. You partake of
the benefits of that ni,asure. The ratepayers control
the expenditure in the town, and I eta one of those who
cannot sit, why the ratepayers in the county should
not have the same advantage. I am one of those who
think that the ratepayers in the county should exercise
the same control over the county rates as the ratepayers
exercise in the oily.—(Cheers.) I supported Mr. Milner
Gteson's Bill for :bat purpose; but I much doubt whe-
ther Mr. Hodgson is a supporter of that measure. But,
gentlemen, it is for you on the whole to estimate the
charactf r and the consistency end the opinions of those
who now ask your suaragee.—(Hear, hear.) I Have told
you already that I would not have stood on this occasion
tf alone I had chimed your support; but it appeared to
me that this was u great occ.isloti in which the voice of
Culls° ought not to be nentrsli;ed—(Cheers)—and when
I was told that my standing conjointly with Mr, Fergu-
s in might lead to the happy consummation so greatly
*Ai be di aired—that two undoubted Liberal Free-traders
should be your representoti% es in the approaching Par-
liament—l gladly yielded to your solicitations and
chine forward.— (immense cheering) Now I leave the
huatti:ir in your hands. You invited me to come; I act-
ceve.4. tl.e invitation. I have fulfilled my engagement
—I have performed my part. The result I leave in your
honds. I shall be satisfied it it. be your pleasure that I
hould retire from public lice, if you are of opinion that
I can no longer si rve the public with advantage. But it
is in your hands, not min, ; and I shall without a mur-
mur or without complaint gladly submit to your decision.
—(Gaid cheers and some groaning from the left )
Mr. FERGUSON then addressed the meeting, professing
his unvarying attachment to the principles of free trade.
He had no otjection to the revision of taxation, pro-
vided that by that means the amount of taxation was di-
i
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andm r oppose any
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b
people
for
thheahreiliteetvoefrLhhade labnedd—fore
of taxation upon the
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bd...wcuit.houthe 101 house -
phoosldeder.t—ha(tatle'earf "Thhisseeeeiidwnegass wtthose
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luc tst.o n o Heof vote would
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test. He was
reduce the franchise to the municipal.d
it as the means of securing
lbtaklelowt.ise
Hdesirous
do
uponof
poilunination takes place of canvassing then took
Futity of election, andAeoletlrtsTether repudiated the sys-
tema show of hands as to
Graham and Mr. Ferguson
Sir , „jainafis tvi,r,seulatives Ths,ira
werelu
"" Parliament'b' for Carlisle. Rather More than a
terest in
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for the Blue cause, the meeting
broke mee mg
sdiasa at
their u
Supporters from their
Subsequently Sir
manner.
windows. . Ferguson
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cborinTokhnieeun
P u tf
ht
committee-room
f)aoalle Mwn cheers
e on Wednesday next.
addressee a

FIRE on BOARD the INDUS STEAM-8111P.
yesterdsy (Sunday) morning, about two o'clock, a
fire broke on: on board that magniLcoat steam-ship the
Indus, the property of the Oriental Steam Navigation
Company, lying in the dry dock of Messrs. Wigram and
Sots, tht' k.hipbuilders of Blackwall. The fire wea dis-
covered by the boatswain of one of the Vends in the
river, who lost• eo time in arousing the ciptaiti and
several men employed in the yard. Auistanee having
been promptly obtained, the first thing sought to be ac-
complished ryas to open the dock gates and let the s:de
in, it being apparent, that unless that was done, other
vessels would b 3 destroyed. Fortunately the tide soon
flowed into the dock, but, notwithstanding that, another
ship received considerable damage. Messengers baying
been dispatched to the various fire stations fur insistence
several etigint:s of the Lciaden Brigade attended, as well.
as one of the parish, the dockyard float, and the flosotuinrg
engine of the brigade from Rotherhithe. Some hours
el before the tire could be entirely extinyt_ial
The damage done is thus 'officially reported:—"
el
tBesa2m,
-tswhoi
p,o;yo
ing in tphle,
dary igthreatu and
use of the fire
Sons, ship builders at Black wall. The ca ,
docke broke
thef
Oriental Steam
unknown. The vessel belongs Messrs.ke ou n
was insured or not.
is unknown at present whether she
en
gine-kee r
The tire was extinguished by fire:nets:
Navigation Company, of Leadenlitosll-street, city, and it
trnt out, the main Pend
of tiika ship from engine-roGa2st_
dockyard men, and 75 hired ashabinse
mizen-mast totally destroyed,kt damage to the engine.
severely damaged by Sre•
long, a"' about 90 feet et from
The ship was 260feelThe ship Wilson liennedry, a ge-
neralthe funnel is burnt. .
Eder, has the
tra do vpsiseverely scorched, and the
rigging damaged by heat. Insurance also unknown at
present?' middle Ta
ni apspar decks
ecakrst:

—This afternoon a fine little
Woodbridsr si,e, daughter of a warrant.oificer of
girl, named
her Maj,s 3'B ship Juno, fell down the main hold of that
ship, and was killed on the spot.
CErATFIA3f.
LivogpooL —The British and North American
Royal Mail sham-
ship
.
ship Asia, Harrison commander, left this
por: at 12.50 P 31., on Saturday ler New York, with a fine
cargo of general inerchauchae, the mu al weekly mails, and
about 70 pazaengerii.