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which occurred annually, that moment Lard Portman
was summarily di,mitsed; no ceinnalinicati:i3 V 4,33 ms,la
to him; Levi Portman was in the cauntry, arid on his
return be found a notie*, on his table, that he had been
superseded by the Government; there was not one word
of explanation, and the political partisan of the Govern-
ment in the perish was instituted in his stead. The
parishes complained that they were oat allowed to ma-
tia.ge their own affairs, and that, mandamuses wore ap-
plied for to ccerce th,m. He thotht, under th? cir-
cumstances, that the motion of his Noble Frimld was a
very fair one, and he hoped ho would press it to a di-
vision.—(bear.)
Mr. JACOB BELL vindicated the conduct of the
parish of Marylebone at some length, and contended
that the aspersions which had been cast upon them had
been undoserved.

Mr. HENLEY said that the House hod nothing to do
with the management, good or bad, of the Mary lebone
vestry. The only question before the House was whether
the authority of the Poor law B,,ard ought to be ex-
tended to parishes having local Acts. He had heard no
reason why the ex9mptions should he continued, and he
should, therefore, vote against the proposal of the Noble
Lord.

Mr. WAKLEY saw no reason why a continuance Act
should be now introduced, inasinuoa as the Poor-law
Board would not expire till next year. What was
wanted was a poor-law court, with a poor-law judPt
where applications from different parishes could he heard
and decided in public, and then in a short time you would
have a code of laws for your guidance. He trusted that
the Government would relinquish this Bill.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS hop2cl that the Right Honour-
able Baronet opposite would consent to withdraw all in-
terference with parishes and their affairs, or that the
House would support the motion of the Noble Lord
(Lord Dudley Stuart).
L or d
that
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of the metropolitan workhouses, in some.. of which
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there had been of late a very alarming amount of mor-
tality. He (Lord Ebrington) would give his support to
the Bill.
The Marquis of GRANBY was quite tired of hearing
the uncontradicted statements of Hon. Members respect
ing the universal employment of the lower orders.—(Oh,
oh, and Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member fur Finsbury
said that there was less pressure in the workhouses is
consequence of the increased employment, but could the
same be said of some parts of Ireland, where they were
told the assistance of the soldiery was required to main-
tain order? The Honourable Member for Montrose had
told them the other evening that there were thousands
of unemployed persons in Scotland who ought to be
sent to Australia, and to-morrow night there was to be
a ball in London in aid of those who were out of em-
ployment in this city. With these facts before him, be
confessed that he was tired of bearing it asserted it
there were no persons out of employment.—(Hear.)
Lord R. GROSVENOR was one of those who had
voted for the original Bill. He should be sorry that all
central power should now be-withdrawn, for he thought
that the poor would suffer by it. It appeared there was
a doubt with regard to the law. This might be an instrur
went of very great torture to the rote payers. Therefore
he would vote that an amendment should be made.
Sir DE LACY EVANS offered a few observations
in favour of his amendment, which, however, could not
be moved. He said that to leave the nomination of the
officers in the vestry, and the removal of them not in the
vestry, would be to take from the vestry at! its autho-
rity together. If subordinate officers in the army could
say to their superior that his orders were not legal, and
that their legality must be shown before they were com-
plied with, they coul i not get on. And this was not all
for if the argurn.nts which he opposed were good, the
whole of the vestries should be put an end to, and com-
plete centralization established. At any rate, it was
quite clear that the two systems could nut go together.
Lord DUDLEY STUART explained that he did not
mean anything beyond making those parishes which
had local Acts independent of the Poor-law Board.
The House then divided, when the numbers were—
Ayes ... .. 33
Noes ... ... 112

M,,j,)rity
The House then resolved itself into a Committee, Mr
BERNAL in the chair.
•
On clause 1 being proposed,
Lori DUDLEY STUART moved that the blank be
filled up with the words " fifty-three" instead of fifty-
four," his object Laing to limit the duration of the Bill to
one year.
Mr. SOTHERON thought it would be much better
to extend the time to five years, the period for
which thetriginal Bill was passed, and gave notice of
his intention to move the insertion of words to that
,ffeet.
After a few words from Mr. Bouverie, Mr. Abel
Smith, and Sir J. Trollope,
The Committee divided on the p?oposition that the
blank be filled up with the words "fifty--four."
For the amendment ... 26

Against it ..
BLjority for " fifty-four"

... 72
... -46

On our return to the'gallery,
Mr. J. A. S Yfl ra complained of certain new regula-
ions which bstd been thrust upon the Chichester board
of guardians since the Right Hon, Gmtleman opposite
came into office.

Sir JOHN TROLLOPE explained that these regula-
tions, though sent out by him, had been prepared by his
predecessor.
The Bill then went through C ,mmittee.
Sir BENJAMIN HALL wished to ask the lion.
Member for Wiltshire whether he iffierided to take any
other opportunity of moving that the Poor-law Bill to
continued for five years?
Mr. SOTHERUN took that opportunity of giving nc-
tice that, on the report being brought up, ho would move
that tho Bill be continued for five yeari.
Sir BENJ AMIN HALL said ho would give such a
proposition all the opposition in his power, and hopei
the matter would be brought on at a period of the
evening when it could be fuliy discussed.
Mr. %VAL rER also would oppose that proposition.
If the Bill was to be continued from time to time the
oftener it was brought under revision the better.

The House then resumed; the report to be brought up
on Thursday.
The Turnpike Trusts Arrangements Bill pa3std
through Committee
The Differential Dues Bill was read a third time and
passed.
On the question that the Passengers' Act Amendment
Bill be further considered,
Mr. CARDWELL reminded the Right Hon. Colonial
Secretary that his Hon. Friend the Member for South
Lancashire and himself had a clause to bring forward
relating to the passenger-fee levied on emigrant vessels.
He did not complai❑ of the lateness of the hour (it was
now a quarter past one o'clock), but the debate wou!cl
occupy some time; however, if inc Right Hon. Gentle-
man wished to go on he (Mr. Cardwell) was ready.
Sir JOHN FAKING FON thought the debate might
go on; he did pot think it would occupy much time.
Mr. WILLIAM BROWN hoped the consideration of
the Bill would be postponed. He expected great Sym-
pathy from Hon. Members opposite, as his clause would
toisome extent relieve the shipping interest, 'but the
House was very thin at present, and most of the Members
he referred to were absent.
The Bill was then postponed to Thursday next.
The Committee on the Grand Juries (Metropolitan
Districts) Bill, was postponed to Friday next, after some
remarks from Mr. Stuart Wortley, ohjLcting that the
B:11 went too far, and suggesting that it would be better_
to retain the power of summoning grand juries with
limited powers.
The Ecclesiastical Courts (Criminal Jurisdiction) Bill
passed through Committee.
The Inland Revenue Office. Bill, the Hereditary Casual
Revenues in the Colonies Bill, the Excise Summary Pro-
ceedings Bill, and the Bishopric of Quebec Bill were
severally read a second time and ordered to ba com-

mitttd.
The Masters' Act Extension Bill was committed pro
forma in order to ba re-committed on Friday next.
The Nisi Prius Officers (Deficiency of Fees, &e.) Bill
passed thro,;eh Committee.
Mr. STAFFORD moved for, and obtained leave to
bring in a Bill to amend the Act 11 Geo. IV., c. 20.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON moved for, and obtained

leave to bring hi a Mt to alter end amend c.rtain Acta
relating to the Woods, Forests, and Land Revenues of
the Crown.
Trio House then adjourned at 20 minutes before Two
o'clock. •

HOUSE OF LORDS, May 24.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on the wOa
sack at Five o'clock.

Lord
Jesse Oldfield
MR COBBETT'S CASE.
CAMPBELL presented a petition from Mr.
pauper is, ooitupltaiuihg of the present state of the
law with
andregard to actions brought in forma
writs of habeas corpus, and
praying for
Mr. Oldfield statecrlrilealteration in Wu law.
gloat well. knownt ut ho had been a party to the ori-
111r. Cubbett had eproceedingsen in consequence of which
prison, and that since that committed to the Queen's Bench
October, 1839—above 100 time—th°
commencement
ofabeas corpus had
been moved for by Mr. cubizita of h
actions brought against Mr.himbyttanB d a vast number of
paveris, and at the present time Cobbett, all in forma
the re were now pend-
ing no less than seven actions, also brought
against him
by Mr. Cobbett.
Attor a taw words from the LORD CHANCELLOR,
Lord CA ." P BELL moved for a return of the
number
of writs of habeas corpus moved for by Mr. Cobbott since
',l3e Ist October, 1839.
The return was agreed to.
PETITIONS.
. '
The Duke of NEWCASTLE presented a petition
from builders and others inthiemetrupolis, praying for
the enfranchisement ot_copyh ds
The Ar hbishop Of
CANTERBURY presented a
.'
petition agaiDit the Dila) n, ti , - th grant.
Oa them ,rice of
Lord COLCHESTER, the Stock in
time and payed.
•
Trade Bill was read a third
NOBLE Lem)
the
Highway
' of the same
On them utton
ime and passed.
Ewes 1.1111 a, ,s read a third t
the report on the
i
On the motion for the brio in up
Comm tii Law Procedure 13111,
rumour had gone
Lord LYN JHURST said that a
Government,
abroad that this Bill was distasteful tech e f
it
in Com-
and that they had retarded the pr('grB, °
and Learnedra ltt,te. Ho wuuld app=alto the Noble
he care, and
Lords • oppositewhethtr this was 1
whether, in fact, they had not done all they could to
facilitate its progress. In fact, had it not been
owing to the unfortunate illbe,s of the Noble
and Learned Lord on the Woolsack the Bill
would long ago have passed through this House.
The Bill itself was calculated to be of great service to
the public, and would do away with a great number of
technicalities which at present very much impeded the
duo administration of justice. The Noble and Learned
Lord proceeded to quote a number of instances in which