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London, England, 1852-06-05 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT.

ROUSE OF LORDS, June 4.
Their Lordships assembled at Five o'clock, the LORD
CHANCELLOR presiding.
On the motion of Lord REDESDALE, the Represen-
tative Peers fur Scotland Act Amendment Bill passed
through Committee.
Their Lordships thei. adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 4.
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)2
SUPPLY. •
On the motion for bringing up the report on the Com-
mittee of Supply,
Mr. WILLIAMS took "the opportunity of protesting
against it being understood that to•day's proceedings
should be taken as a precedent in future for taking supply
at twelve o'clock.

Sir H. WILLOUGHBY wished to know what the
probable expense of completing the new Houses would
be, and whether any further steps were to be taken for
improving the ventilation of the House?
Mr—HAMILTON, in the absence of the Noble Lord
the First Commissioner of Works, was not prepared to
answer either question.

The report was brought up and agreed to.
On the motion that the Speaker do leave the Chair
for going into Committee of Supply,
Mr. ANSTEY moved for copies of all correspondence
and papers on the subject of Colonel Ontram's removal
from the office of Resident it the Court of the Guicowar,
or on the subject of the alleged corruption of officers of
the Bombay Government With bribes from Baroda.
The SPEAKER said as the motion was unopposed it
must be moved as an opposed return later in the day.
The motion was accordingly withdrawn, and the
House went into Committee.
On the.motion that 17,920/. be voted for defraying the
expenses of Schools of Practical Art,
Mr. WILLIAMS said he highly approved of the
vote, and it was agreed to.
On the question that 2,036/. be voted for the Profes-
sors of Oxford and Cambridge,
Mr. ANSTEY opposed the motion because the two
Universities were of a seetarian character, and ought
not to be supported by the State. He was anxious for
the time when religious iliscussion would not be tole-
rated in the House of Commons, and on that account he
was equally opposed to de Maynooth grant as he was
to the one under consideration.
Mr. WILLIAMS said there had been reports of the
duties performed by these professors, aid he was sorry
to find that not more than two or three pupils attended
their lectures. He was also opposed to the vote. The
Universities were rich enough without coming to Par-
liament for votes of enblic money.
Sir R. H. INGLIS supported the vote, and reminded
the House that the grant was ofiginally made by the
Crown out of its civil list, and it would be a breach of
faith to withdraw it now, more especially as the Crown
received a consideration for the grant.
After a few words from Mr. ANSTEY,
Mr. CARTER said the universities had refused to
give any amant of the large funds at their disposal,
and they had therefore no right to this grant. There
was a distinction to be drawn between this grant and
that voted for the London University, because the London
University was anythingarian, while the two Universities
of Oxford and Cambridge were sectarian.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the vote 78
Against it ...

Majority 70
The vote was then agreed to, as was also 3,9571, for
the University of London.
On the vote of 7,5001. for the Universities of Scotland,
Mr. ANSTEY objected to the vote on the ground
that two-thirds of the people of Scotland, the greater
portion of whom belonged to the Free Church, were
prohibited entering these colleges, which were falsely
Called national educational establishments. He moved
that the vote be expunged, and said he should take the
sense of the House upon it.
Mr• HAMILTON thought it would not be con-
sistent with jus!ice to interfere with a vote of this nature.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS considered that the universities
of Scotland stood in exactly the same position as the
University of Loudon. They had been productive of
vast benefit to Scotland as well as to the United King-
dom, but ho objected to the item in the vote for the pro-
fessors of divinity.
Mr. A. HASTIE also objected to the same item.
Mr. COWAN said a strong case had been made out
for the exercise of more liberality and justice to the
universities in the northern parts of the kingdom.
Lord DUNCAN observed, in reply to the accusation,
that the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge were
sectarian. in character, that he had himself seen'a Dis-
senter attending lectures at the latter institution.
Mr. ANSTEY intimated he would withdraw his
amendment, and propose that the vote be reduced by
6551., the sum awarded to professors of divinity.
Sir, G. CLERK defended the vote. He thought, if
an exception was to be made in favour of any class of
professors, it should be with regard to those who were
immediate*, connected with ecclesiastical studies, be-
cause a large amount of ecclesiastical property was
handed over to the country by the Scotch universities
on the condition that these votes were to be granted
annually—(Hear.) These universities had no money of
their own, and it would be a gross breach of
faith to withdraw the support which they had hitherto
received from Parliament.
Air. GEORGE THOMPSON should vote in favour of
the amendment.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the reduction
•.• ••• • • 16
Against it e.
• • 86 •
Majority ... e ••. •••
—7O
This and several other items—for the Royal Hibernian
Academy (3001.), Royal Irish Academy (300/.), Royal
Ire-
land (1,7100, were then agreed to.
On Dublin
theS
vote c
Xfoarntrihe salaries of theological
Queen's University, oiety
of (
36 :03
04
001. 4
professors at the Belfast College
Mr. ANSTEY said he had the' same objection to this
grant, for be was opposed to endowing divinity in any
form out of the public meesye.
Hee was determined to
take the sense of the Committee, whatever might be the
explanation of the Government. He moved that the
vote be reduced by the sum of 2,300/.
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the reduction ..„ 13
Against it 90
Majority —77
The vote )vas agreed to as well as one of 21,350/.
for the buildings connected with the British Museum.
On the next vote of 52,3434 for salaries and expenses
at the British Museum,
Mr. STANFORD complained that under a new
arrangement the salaries of the custodians were fixed at
57/. a year, which Was not equal to the wages of
mechanics.
Mr. GOULBURN said the only alteration made by
the trustees was to give these officers a fixed salary in-
stead of paying them by the day—an arrangement which
they considered was more just and fair, as formerly these
officers received no remuneration when absent from any
cause. •
Tho vote was then agreed to.
A vote of 2,4954, allowed for the National Gallery,
was agreed to.
On the motion that 14,920/. be granted for the support
of the Geological Survey,
Mr. CHAR ['ERIS asked the Right Hon. Gentleman
the Chancellor of the Exchequer whether he had come
to any determination relative to the establishment of a
Geological Museum in Edinburgh?
The CHANCELLOR of: the EXCHEQUER said he
had considered the mat*, but though the Govern-
ment felt considerable interest in the establishment of
such museums, yet the i
cetimants were so numerous that
they had not yet been able to come to any decision.
Lord MAEION said that with reference to the former
vote, for the National Gallery, he wished to renew a
suggestion which he had formerly thrown out under the
Government of Sir Robert Peel relative to the estab-
lishment of a Gallery of National and Historical Por-
traits, similar to that Which was contained in a part of
the Palace of Versailles, Opportunities were occurring
very frequently ;which, with a little
money to spare
and some one on the 100k-out, we might very soon make
a valuable collection
Die
cotereporary portraits of the
great men whom the country had produced
aa'
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER' 1d he
anticipated the time would soon arrive when the whole
e
subject of the stttte of the fine arts and the national
museums of the country
would come under the at-
tention of Parliament, wh' nthe sns,
monition of the Noble
Lord would receive full eattention. The subject was
one, he knew, In which the accomplished Prince who
had already done so
much for the fine arts in this
country took great interest, and he thought in the mean-
time it might be tately left
to his attention.
After some further conversation.the vote was agreed to.
for defraying
A vote of 4,018/ the expense of scientific
•
works and experiments was next agreed to.
Votes of 5,0001. for for the erection of a National Gal-
lery in Edinburgh, and 4 049/. for the civil establishment
in Bermuda, were also d agree to.
On the motion that 7,7471. be voted for the 6 cclesias-
tical establishments in the British North American
provinces,
Mr. ANSTEY et
opposed the gra •
Mr' W. WILLIAMS said that this grant was an ex-
piring grant, and was
not to be renewed as the present
recipients of it died. lie should not, therefore, oppose
the vote.
Sir J. PAR.
----INGTON defended the vote. It had been
first established when religious establishments were in a
very different state in Canada to what they were now. The
grant was distributedequally among all sects, and it was
arranged that as the present recipients died out, it should
not be renewed.
After a fe Newde-
w words from Mr. P. Howard, Mr.
gate, and Mr. A. lawatie, the Committee divided, when
the, numbers were
For the vote
Against it

10
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