The Sun.
London, England, 1864-09-26 00:00:00

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Earl De Gre y and Ripon on the Danish

Wax and Taxation.

On Friday the Ripon and Clare Agricultural
Society held their first public dinner in the Town-
hall, Ripc'n, after which the toast of" Her Majesty's
Ministers' was drunk with cheers, on the proposal
of Mr Lyisaght.
Earl DE GREY and RIPON, who occupied the chair
as preside at of the society, responded to that toast,
and in doing so said he was sure that upon such
occasions it was quite out of order, and it was quite
right that it should be so, that they should talk
politics. But he recollected a saying of his noble
friend at the head of the Government, which he
might be permitted to quote in regard to this toast,
which was -very apposite to what had fallen from
Mr Lysaght. On one occasion, when the Premier
had to return thanks for the same toast in an assem-
bly containing men of all parties, ho assured those
who differed from him that they might most con-
scientiously and honestly drink the health of her Ma-
jesty's Ministers, inasmuch as the best thing which
could happen to their physical health would be their
being turned out of office. (Laughter). But he (the
chairman) would let his friends take it whichever
way they would, and whatever might be the party
differences which existed, and always did exist in
every free country, and without which a free Con-
stitution could not be worked, he believed he should
not misinterpret the spirit in which this toast had
been received if he went so far as to express a hope
that he might conceive it to imply that those present
did not disapprove the main principles which had
guided the general conduct of her Majesty's Govern.
went in the administration of the affairs of the coun-
try. (hear.) The task which they had had before
them during the past twelve months had been one
of no ordinary difficulty, and one which it would be
e asily believed had caused them no ordinary anxiety.
(Hear.) They saw going on in Europe an attempt
eve`tich they held to be unjustifiable and violent to
inv ads the rights of a small nation on the part of
cerbin of the great Powers of Europe for objects of
which they could not approve, and in a cause with
which they could feel no sympathy. They were en-
titled to lift up their voices in common with the
other great Powers of Europe who were not belli-
gerents in the quarrel, and freely to express their
opinions upon the questions at issue. They did so,
but they were not bound—this country was not
bound—by any treaty engagement which rendered
it a point of honour with them to engage in the
quarrel on the part of Denmark. If that had been
,so, her Majesty's present Government would not
I, ave hesitated for a moment—no Government that
uld exist in this country would have hesitated at
once to draw the sword in any quarrel in which the
honour and good faith of England were engaged.
(Hear.) Bat the treaty to which England was a
party-was one to which other great Powers of Europe
were parties also, and it WAS right, it was wise, he
thought,on the part of prudent men that they should
endeavourto go hand in hand with the other Powers.
They were not called on by any special obligation to
engage singe-handed in a contest in which others
were as much interested as the English Government,
and although they made known their sympathies—
although they did not hesitate to assure the other
great Powers that they were prepared to co-operate
wide them in any measures they might mutually
agree upon, yet they did not feel they should be jus-
tified in involving this country in the enormous evils
of war, when they found France and Russia unpre-
pared to drive matters to that extremity, and un-
willing to follow them in that pith. (Hear, hear.)
He believed that in the course the Government then
took—that was to say, in the efforts they made for
the preservation of peace, and in their determine.
tion not to bring war upon this country, they were
supported by the great body of the people of every
shade of opinion. (Cheers.) The task, as he had
,said, was a difficult one. They used every endeavour
ins their power at first to avert the outbreak of war
in .Europe, knowing well to what enormous exten-
sion such a war might possibly attain, and when it
did break out they used every endeavour to bring
that war to a termination. It was quite true those
efforts made at the Conference in London were Rot
euccessful, but it was no easy task, as all must know,
in private life to bring to reasonable terms two per-
sons involved in hot quarrel, the one having on his
side the weight of power and wealth, and numbers
and great population at his back ; the other having
a strong and embittered feeling of injustice, com.
bined with weakness. (Hear, hear.) Well, then,
he said, they did well, and he thought it was their
right and their du'y to make every effort they could
on the pert of England to put a stop to the effusion
of blood, while at the same time the Government
had had, as he had already said, the support of the
country in not having involved the nation in war,
and in not having run the risk of extending those
hostilities throughout the length and breadth of
Europe. (Hear.) And he believed that that course—
a firm desire to maintain this country at peace—a
determination to uphold its honour, to fulfil all its
obligations, and at the same time not to rush hastily
into quarrels if they could possibly avoid it, and
bring upon the country the evils of war,—he be-
lieved such a policy was one which would receive,
and ought to receive, the approval of such an assem-
bly as the one he was addressing. They who were
engaged in the pursuits of agriculture must feel
that the maintenance of peace was of the first im-
portance to a country like England—to a country
in which industry of every description, agricultue
ral and manufacturing, was spreading every day,
and in which that industry was more and more in-
dependent upon that most delicate instrument which
was called "credit," which shut up at the first
breath of war, and which when it did shut up
brought wide-spread ruin, not only upon menu-
facturing, but upon agricultural industry also. Such,
then, was the policy which had guided her Majesty's
Government in those difficult foreign questions with
which they had bad to deal during the present year.
It had been their policy from the commencement—
in the Italian question, in the American question ;
and now again in this Danish question they had
laboured to keep the country out of war, and at the
same time they had never failed to uphold, as he
believed, their honour whenever it was needed.
With respect to domestic affairs there was not much
in these days which could be said in regard to the
duties of the Government in relation to agriculture.
There was a time when men believed that the Go-
vernment had the means of greatly promoting the
prosperity of agriculture, and when every one
engaged in that pursuit was inclined to lean upon
the broken reed of protection. Prophecies were
made, when protection was abandoned, of the
ruin that was coming upon the agricultural
interest and of the ruin which would come after-
wards upon the country at large_ Those prce
phecies had all proved futile. Facts had proved
stronger than theories; the advance of years had
dispelled the dreams of false prophets; and there
were now few who did not believe that in agri-
culture, as in every other branch of industry, that
which the Government could best do was to strike
off shackles and remove fetters, and that which
those enraged in agricultural pursuits could best
do was steadfastly to rely upon themselves. Well,
then, as he had said, it was little in those days that
Government could do for agriculture and for trade.
His friend the Rev. Mr. Powell (a previous speaker)
had spoken upon the unpleasant subject of taxation
and had alluded in terms which he (Ate chairmen)
supposed were very true, but perhaps would not
have been very pleasant if he had been present, to
the Chancellor of the Exchenuer, and not alone to
his right bon. friend, Mr. Gladstone, but to any
one who filled that powerful office—but be (the
chairman) was bueud at the same time to say that
the insatiable desire for a suffi.ieut amount of tas.-
atioa to meet the demands of the countr7 which he
found in his right hon. friend had been truly de-
scribed by Mr:
Powe 11. His right hon. friend had
put his hand
chairman's)
poet,t ituc more llrgely than he
very largely indeed into his (the
liked, but he hai, es
z.r.rowell had felt, and
an all must feel if they de e
great—if they drank with „„thd to see the country
thuemasam." The Health
of the Army ftnil Navy ".if
filg of Engind maintained unytarensiii:hdcdtoa‘'necltihtes
reputsti,Nn 4 n allied, the must be pr-,paren to pay
for it. (Hem her.r the believed—and the
story of the last few years war, there to prove it_
thero was few, if any, men in this country who

were not prepared to pay the price of national
honour and national security. (Hear.) Her Maiesty's
Government had shown, under the chiefship of his
noble friend Lord Palmerston, whose name would go
down to posterity connected more than any other
man with the national defence of England—that
Government had shown their determination to
place those defences on a satisfactory footing. But,
on the other hand, this ho could say, that her Ma-
jesty's Government were as anxious as any men in
the country to bring the expenditure of the country
within the narrowest limits consistently with the
requirements of the public service ; and by that
means to effect every reduction of taxation that
might be legitimately possible. Although his
right hon. friend, the Chancellor of the Exche-
quer, would have the money which was needed for
the public service, there was no man in the country,
he would undertake to say, who was more zealous
than he in the cause of financial reform. But it
must be borne in mind that we have a vast empire
extending into every quarter of the globe, and that
our ships are in every port, and our commerce is
upon every sea, and if he did not misinterpet the
feelings of this country, though sometimes there
was grumbling at the cost of colonial expenditure
and naval armaments, that they were not prepared
to abandon their colonies, nor give up their com-
merce. If they were not prepared for that, and if
they wished to remain a great nation spreading
their arms unto every part of the world, and enfold-
ing the globe within them, they must be prepared
to bear the various burdens and discharge the
various duties of that great position. (Cheers.)
Several other toasts and speeches followed includ'
ing that of the " Borough Members," which was
acknowledged by Mr Greenwood, M.P.

The Prince and Princess of Wales in

Denmark.

(from the Times' Special Correspondent.)
COPENHAGEN, Wednesday.
Yesterday morning there was a grand hunt in the
Deer-park attached to the Castle of Bernstorff, and
his Royal Highness the Prince of Wales was very
successful in his shooting. Among the results of
the morning's work were too deer with long,
branching antlers, called in the Danish " kingly
deer," and one of a smaller size, all three falling to
the gun of his Royal Highness. It is said to be
his intention to send one, if not both, of the larger
deer to England to be stuffed, as trophies of the
occasion.

In Copenhagen the public occupied itself gene-
rally in making acquaintance with the Osborne,
which had been moored up the river to :a position
almost in the centre of the town. The Royal yacht
was freely thrown open to visitors, who expressed
the greatest interest in all the arrangements on
board, as well as gratitude for the extreme courtesy
shown to them by the officers and crew. Next to
the apartments of the Prince and Princess, which
were always inquired for in the first instance, the
chief desire seemed to be to see the room of Lady
Spencer, in whom, of all the English suite, the
Danish interest and admiration appears to centre.

Another large section of the inhabitants of Copen
hagen was engaged in a manner quite different
from the visitors to the yacht, but one at the same
time affording a very practical test of the feeling
excited by the Royal visit. From a late hour on
Monday, all Monday night, and at break of day on
Tuesday, the crowd of persons anxious to obtain
tickets for last night's performance at the opera was
growing in numbers, until at last the queue fairly
stretched across the spacious Kongens Fytov. Even
there the number of the disappointed was very
great, for many of those who had purchased tickets
did so only with a view of retailing them again, and
the consequence was, as the day advanced, that for
tickets which at the bureau had cost 10 marks, or
about 4s in England, and upwards was paid in
the course of the afternoon. Some few persons more
liberally minded towards strangers did indeed con-
sent to part with their tickets at an advance of 100
or 200 per cent., but were regarded by those in the
trade as guided by wholly erroneous principles, and
acting probably with ulterior motives. The per-
formances commenced at 7 o'clock with a short
comedy called "Intrigues," and shortly after that
hour the house was filled in every part, so closely
indeed that one had occasion to wish more than once
during the evening that the architect, in the views
binding him with regard to ventilation, had been
less fixed in the idea that he was building for a cold
climate. The house is calculated for the accommo-
dation of 1,200 people, and on this occasion its capa-
city was tested to the utmost. The seats, however,
once they have been reached are sufficiently roomy
and comfortable. In point of decoration there is not
much to be said. The interior wears a neat, cheer-
ful appearance, without much attempt at a display;
and with regard to lighting there is a curious ar-
rangement by which the great chandelier is drawn
up into the roof during the time that it is desirable
to concentrate light upon the stage, and let down
again between the acts. The royal party had not
been looked for till the commencement of the ballet,
but before the first piece, lasting somewhat over half
an hour, had been played through they were ob-
served to enter and take their seats in the royal box
at the left hand side of the stage. The visit was
understood, and indeed stated, to be a private one;
consequently no demonstration of any kind was
made on their entrance. The Kicg sat next the
stage, with the Princess of \Vales beside him ; the
Queen, in like manner, had the Prince of Wales at
her right hand; he therefore sat nearest the body of
the house, in a position where he could be generally
seen. The Crown Prince of Denmark and the Princess
I)agmar occupied scats in the same box, a little from
the back. In the corresponding box, at the other side
of the house, were the Lendgrave of Hesse and Prince
Hesse of Glucksburg, with the principal ladies in
attendance upon the Royal party—namely, the
Countess Reventlow, Countess Spencer, Madame
Bille, and the Countess de Grey and Ripon. For
the other members of the English and Danish suites
who were not able to find room in either State box
place* were reserved at the ends of the dress circle
nearest to their own party. The ballet, in four acts,
arranged by Hof-ballet Master Bournonville, and
entitled " Valkyrien," commenced about 8 o'clock.
It was admirably put upon the stage, and the plot
was calculated to bring in a forcible light before an
English mind many of the more prominent tradi-
tions and features of the Scandinavian mythology,
so entirely distinct from the softer fables current
among southern nations. The curtain, upon rising,
disclosed one of the messengers of the gods flying
through the clouds with a war trumpet similar in
tone to those which the Royal party the previous
day sounded in the Cabinet of Antiquities. This
note sureimmediately
of
yappenwreadr,aatnrde, obe-
dientepef
t waso
thealw a cyasl la,
those Daughters of the Air whose occupation it was
to float over the combatants in battle,
to imitate
their struggles in the higher
denote with their spears those
who were to fall.
These had scarely time to fix themselves in the ate
tention of the spectators when the clouds, opening
soddenly, disclosed the throne of Odin, with its at-
tendant ravens, who flew off to execute some mes-
sage of the war-god. He then, putting off his state,
and disguising himself as a bard, prepared to
engage in the affairs of men ; and this opening
glimpse of the upper regions formed as it were
the prelude to the entertainment. A young
and an old warrior became after this the leading
characters, round whom the action of the piece
revolves. They are seen engaged at their orisons
before a miniature Stonehenge; they appeal at the
Court of an ancient King and take service in his
armies; they execute with the companions of their
contemplated expedition a wild chant du depart,
keeping time by clanging their swords upon their
shields, and fie oily their galley is seen ploughing
the waves in the distance. Odin seem. '3 to have
euggested, ifcompelled not the expedition, in oppo-
sriition to the evident reluctance
rf the Monarch,
who is de: 113- attached to the young chid; but in
his supposed capacity or bard and prophet, his
voice must be eteended to. One of the D iughters
of the Air, the graceful prima donna of the corps
de ballet, who has selected the young chief as the
special object of her care, tries hard for permission
to follow him in his xcursion, but Odin will not
allow her to depart ti l the war trumpet again an-
InouncPa net a feast of ravens is at hand. Then
Ishe flies across the sea, and soon arrives where ho

lies prostrate, exhausted by a savage rite,in which,
according to the fashion of the time, he has sworn
eternal friendship with his older colleague, wound•
ing his arm and giving the bloody fillet to his col-
league to wear. He is soon restored by the cordial
which she carries, and then discovers that while he
slept his companions have fired a town and massa-
cred the male inhabitants, the female survivors
rushing for shelter to the cave where he has lain.
His natural instinct prompts him to kill them too,
but his guardian genius reproves him, and he pro-
tects them instead, incurring in so doing the risk
of being killed by his sworn brother, who has fallen
into one of those ecstacies of rage in which the
Northmen, like the Malays, used sometimes to " run
a muck" against all corners. The point where this
first adventure is laid does not very clearly appear,
but the costume of the peasants points to England
or the opposite coast. The next quarter to which
their love of roving carries them is to the Island
of Sicily, where the young chief, surrounded by
gay native companions, gives way to the seductions
of women and wine. His old companion
remains for a time proof against temptation, re•
stricting his mod to raw flesh, as before. But in
time he, too, is persuaded to put on roseewreaths, and
to gird himself with flowers, and one of the most
humouronaly-acted scenes in the ballet is where this
rude son of the North endeavours to emulate the
gambols of the nymphs who dance around him.
The Daughter of the Air again appears, and regards
with sadness the effeminate life into which her hero
has fallen. She brings together the two companions,
who are so shocked at each other's altered appear•
ante that they tear away their trappings of luxury,
and gather round them a band of their old followers
just in time to resist a plot of assassination set on
foot by the natives. These hem them into a temple,
and set fire to the door with logs, but the Danes,
rushing through the fire, engage in a hand-to-hand
combat with the Sicilians, and against all odds re-
deem their character for prowess. Then they turn
their steps homeward, and are received by the King
with their great rejoicing. Their swords are only
too welcome, for at that moment he is engaged in
preparations for a great battle, and the ceremony of
imparting mystic virtues to the raven standards is
performed with due solemnity. The battle takes
place [on the stage, archers let fly their arrows,
spearmen charge home, and finally a general rush
takes place, in which the King is borne along on
the arms of his:followers. The Daughters of the
Air have a busy time of it now, but their work is
effectually done, for the curtain rises on the field of
the slain, among whom the young hero is sought
for some time in vain, His aerial guardian is in-
consolable, and swoons in the arms of Odin, but a
transformation is on the point of taking place, in
which all the chiefs who have been killed rise
radiant in Valhalla, to be welcomed by Odin
himself, to wear the star-spangled robes, to drink
delicious drinks in the halls of the blest, to share
in never-ending triumphs, and to find themselves
in the arms of those who in life exercised so powerful
an influence on their fortunes. It may easily be
conceived with what interest a piece of this descrip-
tion is followed by a Scandinavian audience, how
every morsel of antiquarian lore is caught up and
appreciated, and hew well the motto over the pro-
scenium is justified, which says in Danish, Ei blot
til Lyst—that the performances are not intended for
amusement alone. For the majority of the English
present there was of course a good deal to guess at,
and the narrative of the piece just given is scarcely
more than an outline of the numberless details com-
prehended in four acts. The beauty of the dresses,
however, the well sustained pantomime, and the
continual crowding of the stage with most effective
tableaux prevented the interest from flagging for a
moment. As a spectacle the Copenhagen ballet may
have lacked some of the grandeur of La Scala or the
completeness in point of scenery of a few German
theatres, but there is one point in which the stage in
Denmark stands pre-eminent, and this deserves to
be mentioned. Through the measures adopted by the
management, to belong to the corps de ballet at the
Hof Theatre, instead of being a reproach is an hon-
ourable employment. The dresses and dances are
such as would be seen with pleasure by many minds
which in other capitals rather endure than admire
the ballet. The danseuses are brought to the theatre
and sent home again in carriages hired by the State;
and, lastly, there are pensions for those who have
served for a given number of years. At the close
of the performances, and as the royal party rose to
leave the house, a voice cried out in Danish,
" Long live the Prince and Princess of Wales !"
It was an anxious moment, and more than one
face among the royal party was listening with
evident anxiety for the result of this appeal to a
mixed assembly. It came in no doubtful tones,
but in a standing volley of cheers from all parts of
the house, again and again repeated, the orchestra,
as if catching the general enthusiasm, swelling the
uproar with a pas de charge. The Prince and
Princess bowed their acknowledgments and retired
from the house ; but outside there was even a more
astonishing reception, a crowd, roughly estimated at
10,000 to 15,000—some estimates place it at 20,000
—persona surrounding the theatre and lining the
avenues through which the Royal carriages had to
pass. It was necessary for these to pass at a walk-
ing pace, and both on leaving the theatre and as
they drove in the direction of Bernstorf the mani-
festations of popular enthusiasm were frequent and
enthusiastic.
This morning, at half-past 11 o'clock, the Royal
party paid a visit to the Ethnological Museum,
another of the great collections of Copenhagen,
occupying a suite of the rooms in the same palace
in which the Museum of Northern Antiquities is
lodged ; and its neighbour, the Ethnological Col-
lection, is distinguished by the excellence of its
arrangement, due to the exertions of M. Steinhauer,
a gentleman holding a responsible appointment
under the Government here, and well known in
England, where his services in a similar capacity
have been duly acknowledged. The idea pervading
the museum is to avoid what may be called, for the
sake of distinction, the national system, in which
the products of a particular country are clubbed
together, simply because in successive centuries all
those things happen to have had their origin in a
particular division of the earth; and, on the con-
trary, to trace the progress of man's education and
culture all over the globe by discovering the
stages through which he has passed. With this
object in view, this department brings together,
in the first instance, the weapons, dresses, culi,
nary utensils, &c., of those tribes which know,
or in times past have known, nothing of the use
of metals ; secondly, illustrations of the pro-
ducts and made of life of those nations aware of the
existence of metals, but not yet in possession of a
literature of their own ; thirdly, examples of the
relative condition of the countries enjoying both
these advantages, and of the uses to which such
knowledge is then applied. Ethnological collections
made in this spirit are of incalculable and increasing
value, because they not only throw light on the his-
tory of past ages, but preserve some rapidly dis-
appearing features of the present. Many of the
islands, which until comparatively of late were in a
savage state, bat are now civilised, or partially so,
wilt in a few years be able to discover the shadows
of their former selves only in such museums. Steam
is changing the character of the human race; and
it is well that, in doing so, it should help to place
us in possession of the means of measuring by actual
relics the vast strides that it is enabling the world
to make, and that storehouses should be ready for
the treasures that it brings us. The Royal party
spent about two hours in examining the museum
very closely, and on taking their leave expressed to
the head of the department the satisfaction which
the visit had afforded them.
Their Royal Ilighneese3 and suite lunched in one
of the rooms of the Palace, and then, passing through
the chapel, emerged immediately in the vicinity of
the Thorwaldsen Museum, where they spent a great
part of the remaindLr of the afternoon. I❑ the
evening they will dine with the Queen Dowager at
Sorgenfri.
It is not yet settled what is to be done to-morrow
morning by the Royal party, but to-morrow even-
ing the King will entertain at dinner the staff
officers of the Burgher Guard, Volunteers, &c.,
who were to have taken part in the review on
Saturday last. The dinner will be given in the
Chriatiansborg Palace, and his Royal Highness the
Prince of Wales will be present.
According to present arrangements the Royal

yacht will leave on Saturday next for Stockholm,
preceded by the Aurora, and a3companied by the
Salamis, to enable the Royal party to comply with
the invitation oft he King of Sweden to the palace
at Stockholm. About eight days will probably be
occupied in the Swedish visit, and it is believed that
the Prince will then return for a short time to Fre-
densborg. About this, however, as about all move•
ments subsequent in point of time to the departure
for Stockholm, there appears to be still considerable
uncertainty.
Mr A. Gosling, Secretary of Legation at Copen-
hagen, has obtained leave of absence, and returns
to England with Mrs Gosling.

Failure of the Leeds Bank.

FORGERIES OF BILLS
,000 OF EXCHANGE FOR
£BO.
LEEDS, Saturday.—The rumours afloat that Mars.
den, the bankrupt ironfounder, who a few days ago
absconded from this town, and up to this time has
eluded pursuit, had negotiated forged bills of ex-
change to a great amount through the Leeds Bank-
ing Company, now in serious difficulties, were un-
mistakably confirmed to-day under the following
circumstances :
At the usual sitting of the Leeds magistrates to-
day, Thomas Scaife, a middle-aged man of rather
corpulent habit, was charged with having feloni-
ously forged and uttered various bills of exchange.
The prisoner had been the confidential manager of
Marsden, and in that capacity he has by procura-
tion made himself an accomplice to forgeries the
magnitude of which is almost unprecedented.
Only two out of at least a thousand cases were for
the present inquired into.
Mr Bond, solicitor, prosecuted on behalf of the
bank; Mr Granger, solicitor, appeared for the
prisoner.
Mr Walker Joy, oil merchant, said—J.Woodhead
Marsden was a debtor to the Leeds Banking Come
pang in several thousand pounds. On Wednesday
Marsden was sent for to the bank, Mr Scaife, the
prisoner, attended for Marsden. A large bundle of
bilis were produced bearing the signature "per pro.
J. W. Marsden, Thos. Scaife." Amongst them was a
bill for £l7l 2s 6d, drawn by Marsden per pro.
Scaife, and purporting to bear the acceptance of Geo.
Wilson, of Crossland-treet, Holbeck. Prisoner was
asked if they were good bills, and he said they were
not. He said they were forgeries. On Friday he
(witness) had a conversation with the prisoner for
more than an hour. Mr. C. Butler, one of the commit-
tee, said he had better make a clean breast of it, and
prisoner replied " Then I will make a clean breast
of it, and tell you everything." Seven or eight
gentlemen were present—witness, Mr Butler, Mr
Bolland, Mr Wailes, and some directors were pass•
ing backwards and forwards. Mr Donisthorpe was
also in the room. Notes were made by Mr Wailes
of what the prisoner said. He (witness) saw pri-
soner again. A book full of bills was produced,
, and the prisoner said they were forged. The num-
ber of those bills was above a thousand, and they
represented upwards of £BO,OOO. The book was
numbered np to the extent of a thousand bills. He
(Mr Joy) had prisoner apprehended on his own re,
sponsibility. He felt as a man of honour that a
gigantic fraud had been committed.
Mr Irwin—Within what time was this £BO,OOO
worth of bills paid into the bank ?
Mr Joy—l really cannot tell. The forgeries have
extended over years. There are at least £68,000
worth of forged bills out,and we have at leastilo,ooo
of forged bills also in the bank.
Mr. Granger—Did prisoner not say to you that
Mr. Greenland (manager of the bank) knew all
about it ?
Mr. Joy—He dld.
Mr. Granger--Did he not tell you further that
he had no interest in the matter beyond benefitting
Marsden?

Mr. Joy—He did.
By Mr Barr (magistrates' clerk)—Two bill books were
given up, and the prisoner said all the bills named in one
with a clasp were forged. The other book contained entries
of customers' bills. Prisoner said all the entries were in
his handwriting.
Mr Bond—Was Mr Greenland present when these con•
versations took place ?
Mr Joy—He was not. Mr Marsden has absconded.
Mr Joseph Servant, cashier of the Leeds Banking Com-
pany, said Juhn W. Marsden had kept an account with
the bank for five or six years, and up to the 17th Septem-
ber. That account was principally managed by the prisoner
(Scaife), who was book-keeper to Marsden. On the 28th
of April the prisoner brought to the bank on Marsdeu's
account bills for £1,256 19s, among which war a bill (pro-
duced) for £3OO. At the same time the prisoner produced
a payment ticket, dated 38th April, 1864, signed, "J. W.
Marsden, Thos. Scaife," which was in the handwriting of
the prisoner. On the back was a memorandum in the pri-
soner's writing of the three bills of exchange, one of which
was the same for £3OO now produced, dated April 27, 1864,
drawn as follows :—" Per pro. John W. Marsden, Thos.
Scaife" upon it, and accepted by Messrs. Robert Hudson
Stanley, near Wakefield, payable
andfour
months Co. , colliery
after
owners,da
teto the order of the drawer. The
manuscript part of the bill was in the writing of the pri-
soner, and endorsed by the prisoner as drawn. That bill
was presented for payment when due and dishonoured.
Mr G. Wilson, gasfitter, Crossland-street, Holbeck, said
hehya,cllBe6x4a,mdinraedw:
perbil l pro. John W, Marsden, Thomas
£l7l 2s 6d, dated the 12th of
May,
Scaife, and purporting to be accepted on the following
terms :—" Payable at Messrs. William Deacon and Co.,
bankers, London. George Wilson." No part of that ac-
ceptance was in witness's handwriting, He never had any
transactions with Marsden or the prisoner, and there was
no other George Wilson in Croseland-street, Holbeck, He
did not know either Marsden or the prisoner. He first
heard of this forgery on the 22d.
Mr. R. J. Hudson, Moorville, near Otley, partner in a
colliery at Stanley, near Wakefield, under the firm of
Robert Hudson and Co., said a bill of exchange for £3OO,
dated 27th April, 1864, drawn by J. W. Marsden, had not
been accepted by him or hie firm. The firm never accepted
any bills.
After being cautioned, the prisoner said he had nothing
A) say at present.
Ho was then committed for trial at the assizes.
It is stated that in one of Marsden's private drawers were
round bills which had been prepared with a view to obtain-
ing a further sum of £lO,OOO by forgeries.

COMMERCIAL FAILURES IN LEEDS.
(From the Leeds intelligeneer.)
In consequence of the stoppage on Monday of the busi-
ness of the Leeds Banking Company two serious failures
have been announced in Leeds—that of Messrs. Saalfield
Brothers, woollen brokers and shippers, Cookridge-street,
and that of Mr, John Woodhead Marsden, iron merchant
and machine maker, of Leeds, Holbeck, Castleford, and

London.
As to Messrs. SaaMeld's liabilities there is no doubt that
they will be very large—far beyond £lOO,OOO ; but the real
state of affairs cannot be yet known yet, as sufficient time
has not elapsed for the completion of the balance-sheet. The
stoppage of this house was a heavy and great discoutage-
merit to many manufacturers who had been expecting to
have accounts owing by the firm settled. Instead they found
the failure of the
the warehouse door closed against them and a notice posted
on it stating that in consequence of
Leeds Banking Company Messrs. Saalfielei had been
Thurs com-
-
pelled to suspend payment. Au attempt was made on
day morning to catty the affairs of Messrs.paalfeld into the
Bankruptcy Court. Mr J. North, on behalf of Messrs. D.
Yewdall and Sons, manufacturers, Caverlery, opened a
petition in bankruptcy. The debt of the petitioning credi-
tors is only £125; but, on behalf of the Leeds Banking
Company, particulars of demand for upwards of £25,000,
giving credit for the bills running, having been served upon
the Messrs. Saalfeld. Mr Yewdall, solicitor, has given
notice on behalf of Messrs. Saalfeld that the adjudication
will be disputed on the ground that no act had been com-
mitted by his clients which could be constructed into an act
of bankruptcy. We are informed
h also that Mr Bondotice , on
an
behalf of the banking company, as nof
attempt to dispute any proceedings in Bankruptcy. We
may here observe that the difficulties in which Messrs.
Saalfeld find themselves have led to the stoppage of their
London agent, Mr John Abraham, Aldermanbury, London.
The public cannot but wonder how a firm, which a very
few years ago compounded with its creditors for 8s in the
pound, has obtained so eauch credit at its bankers. Mr J.
W. Marsden's downfall was no iurpriee, and when it be-
came known that the bank had stoppca it was looked for
momentarily- His creditors found that ho had absconded,
and it was thought he had betaken himself to Liverpool,
because of letters to a friend which had come into posses-
sion of the creditors
Yesterday, Mr Charles Turner, cloth manufacturer,
Holbeek, and Messrs Williaui Turner and DavidJonnson
'
cloth minufacturets, of Leeds, prc.,cnttd petitions for
relief in the Lends Bankruptcy Court. These failures are
owing to the parries having relied upon accommodation
from the Loeits Bankino• Company. It is said that the
been
three bankrupts owe the ank about £15,000.
SUSPENSION Or MESSIII. ALFRED TEALE AND Co.,
WOOLLEN
of
iLtohze Leeds A CLOTH lEuc IBlAartnik'sin,
~.sECEoDmS.p—al3l.,biswhfioruhi
ohldavae
compelled to execute an assi LEEDS.—This
consequent upon
the failure
ilu r
quantity of their paper. The total liabilities are, we under-
stand, about £lOO,OOO. Messrs. Bond hnd Barwick and Mr
Yewdall are the solicitors. We understand, from a reliahl •
e
' .
expected to be roots fevowsble than was at fil
quarter, that the winding up of Messrs. Saalfeld's estate is
st antict-
pated.