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before they could repeal it they most be prepared with
lame substitute for it.—(Hear, hear.) Well, then, he
was at a loss to understand what tax could be suggested
which the people would accept as a substitute for
the malt-tax, for there was a large class who
advocated the tax on the ground that it had the eff •ct
of dimieishiues drunkenness, and they certainly would
°Neese its abolition —(Hear, hear.) The hop-tax, how-
"el, Was not viewed in that light; it was a tax in fact
Upon the wholesome beverage of the poor man,
and having had some experience in the House of the
difficulty of carrying large questions, he could tell those
who advocated the repeal of the tax they most per-
aevere, in spite of the temporary difficulty which it
might impose upon the Government.—(hear.)
He
therefore hoped this motion would be pnshed to a divi-
'oo, and then the poor man would see who were his
friends and who were not.—(Hear.)
Mr. FBEWEN was quite satisfied with the answer
that had been made by the Chancellor of the Exchequer,
and under those circumstances ho should not put the
b
"Ise to the trouble of going to a division.—(Hear.)
Mr. BASS admitted that a good deal of distress had
Prevailed of late years amongst the farmers of Kent and
Worcestershire, bat it did not result from the growing of
hops, but of whoa', and he recommended them to devote
more attention to hops than corn. He denied that the
ao of gentian had increased in proportion to the
recent increase in the consumption of bitter ale, as was
alleged by one Hon. Gentleman who had taken part in
this debate.—(Hear, hear.)
After a few words from Sir E. FILMER, the motion
was withdrawn.
FOREIGN REFUGEES.
Mr, Me MILNES rose to move for an address for
"Pies of the correspondence between her Majesty's
Government and Foreign States, respecting the protec-
tion afforded to refugees (in continuation of the corm-
ltondence already presented to Parliament). The Hon.
Member said, that at the commencement of the session
he had applied to the Noble Lord who had then been at
the head of the Government for the purpo3e of ascer-
taining whether he intended to lay before the House the
Correspondence between the British Government and the
Governments of certain foreign States with respect to
foreign refugees; and the Noble Lord said that he would
produce that correspondence, and it had accordingly
been submitted to the House. Those papers concluded
With a dispatch of Earl Granville and certain communi-
cations which had arisen out of that dispatch. The
Earl of Westmoreland had stated that Prince Schwart-
%%berg, at the time Earl Granville's dispatch had
reached him, had been occupied with important business.
and that he could not therefore give an immediate re-
ply But a short time atter the date of Lord_Westmore-
ad's letter, it had been stated in the public press that
1,!, certain dispatch bad been forwarded by Prince
I.sehwartzenberg to the Foreign-office in this country.
Now he (Mr. Milnes) thought it very important that
rat dispatch should be laid before the House, for the
Me of it, as it had appeared in the public journals, was,
to Bay the least of it, of a very peculiar and painful
aceracter. Ile had asked his Right Hon. Friend the
Chancellor of the Exchequer shortly after the accession
of the present Government to office, whether he would
Lave any objection to lay those papers before the House,
hat his Right Hon. Friend was unwilling to produce
jelll, On the plea that the correspondence had not at
ttime been complete. But he would permit his
fight Hon. Friend to say that such a plea merely meant
twat he did not find it convenient to produce the papers.
b had
would again ask his Right Hon. Friend whether he
any objection to produce the dispatch addressed to
Lord Granville by Prince Schwartzenberg, and any
ewer which Lord Granville might have made to that
:Patch? If his Right Hon. Friend should find it con-
venient to produce, also, any correspondence which
"44 have taken place on the same subject since the
kcession of the present Government to office, the House
Would, no doubt, gratefully receive that addition to its
°totes of information.
b.' The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his
;Loc. Friend seemed to belong to that 8011001 of politics
uich believed that the essence of diplomacy was mys-
tery; for he evidently thought it quite impossible that
Whenever a diplomatic interest was concerned a Minister
could give a straightforward answer. His Honourable
'lend had some partial knowledge of the correspond-
ence to which he had referred; and he had the other
daia 3' asked him (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) when
would lay some further papers before the House.
ge had then told his Hon. Friend that the correspond-
Tea was not complete, but that when it should be corn-
tete he would produce it. He had at present to inform
ta Hon. Friend that the correspondence was not only
iaPlete, but that it was nearly printed, and that when
d should be fully printed, which would probably be in a
dear.)
or two, it should be laid before the House.—(Hear,
ei2ear.) He could assure his Hon. Friend that his ques-
eft Was in no way embarrassing. He could not sup-
"le that his Hon. Friend would then press his motion
tit division; and be believed that be had himself en-
ail' fulfilled the promise he had given upon the subject.
MILNES said he did not accuse his Right
r
, Friend of having indulged in any mystery in that
ke• He only hoped that on every other subject
a answer of the Right Hon. Gentleman would be
t 'lally distinct.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he took it for granted that his
g
en. Friend would not press his motion to a division
liter the statement of the Right Hon. Gentleman.
The motion was then withdrawn.
EGYPT AND THE PORTE.
44. ANDERSON moved an address to the Crown for
;"Pies of all correspondence between her Majesty's do-
kerament, her Majesty's Ambassador at Constantinople,
Red her Majesty's agent and Consul-General in Egypt,
Leo() the lst day of January, 1850. relative to the at-
,raeted interference of the Sublime Porte in the internal
pcinistration of Egypt, by proposing to deprive the
biataha of the power to it fliot capital punishment on es-
allY convicted criminals, to construct railways for the
that
improvement of and facility of transit through
at country, and otherwise, and of all representations
made by British subjects in reference thereto. He ob-
firved that the country had a deep interest in the ques-
le now pending between the Ottoman Porte and the
11144 of Egypt. It was a favourite saying of the late
li:ta has Mehemet Ali, that Egypt had become the bridge
ween Europe and Asia. The centre of that bridge
hits e desert a few years since, but now it was converted
lie° a great highway of traffic, and numbers of camels
en with merchandise, specie, and letters, private,
commercial,to and governmental, regularly traversed the
ro- The importance of this correspondence in a po-
etals commercial, and social light, the House would
41'4 appreciate; and be might also observe that the
Vete° between Europe and the East was by
14:5 route shortened about one-fourth in time.
*tit the House consider the inconveniences
ar ',°,11 would be felt if all the advantages
ti this route should be lost to this country. He
ittped that the British people would never submit to
Z. state of things; yet, it the proceedings of the
tat the
Were allowed to go on unchecked, he anticipated
10:ithe traffic along it would be nearly stopped, or, at
vent., seriously impeded. He would refer to the
eh,sgin of the pretensions put forward by the Porte since
e-9, accession of the present Pasha of Egypt. The latter
kitaleaenced some rather sweeping reforms, believing that
1121 abuses existed under the former Administration.
h'.found many (State) manufactories establiehed,which
e
h.(hought of no use; being of opinion that the proper
Zaufacture of Egypt was corn, which might be ex-
t: for the commodities of other countries. The
14ha. consequently broke up several of those manufac-
pelg establishments and dismissed a number of em-
-o'o6B, many of whom were Frenchmen, who went to
cstantinople, and there organized a conspiracy, hay-
e for its object to deprive the Probes of the govern-
-171314 of Egypt, and reduce that country to the condi-
Of of an ordinary pashalic. Among other pretensions
of the Porte was ono which struck at the root of all
government in
de-
prive the Egypt; and that was an attempt to
Pashade-
of the power of inflicting capital
Punishments.—(Rear,
hear.) Without such a power
it would be utterly impossible to maintain subordina-
tion in the country, or to
Perty. To carry out thesecure safety to life or pro-
perty, objects which the enemies of
. the Paths had at heart dissensions had been industri-
e°llBlY fomented between the different members of his
.ek_acsily, which, if further excited, must lead to civil war,
weause those relatives Possessed large
districts of land,
tacl had great numbers of agrioulturt tenentry under
,tweic
control. Emissaries had also been sent to Egypt
1(1c1 they had created a considerable feeling of ineubor:
ceetion
by persuading the people that the Pasha had
to
ity
'ti
I
author as the Sultan had taken all power
eau
ace him. t might be asked, why could not Egypt be
it(lverned as well by Turkey as by the Pasha? but, in
oefPlY he would say that he thought the national honour
11 this country was pledged to maintain the present
billsha in the position in which Mehemet Ali had been
6.4"(1 from 1841. To show how impotent the Turk-
IC Government was to protect property, and person,
f: would read an extract from a letter received that day
tifFial• Constantinople :—" The weak administration
, the Turkish Government as to affordiug protection
'nu life or property, is made manifest by facts
titof number. Even in this capital we are scarcely
more secure from murder and theft than persons
treSidlng in the provinces; the only difference being, that
tttWere the acts are perpetrated during the night and by
14111% of organized thieves, whereas those in the country
uses Place during the day and in sight and call of the
bee'aes of the victims, and frequently within gunshot of
I 1 who are called guards. At Smyrna two eases oc-
evred not long since of a particularly glaring descrip-
o„ia• viz.: 1. that of the Dutch Consul, who was taken
h"9l' of his own vineyard at 3, P.M., and within call of his
t's°, and kept by the banditti who infest the neigh-
e
etire uood of that city until his friends ransomed him for
til'ace equal to about 5001.; and that of Mr. De Youngh,
SOU
Danish Consul-General, who was actually taken
his house in the centre of a village of upwards of
l') houses, baying a so-called military force of 200
strong quartered in it. The payment of a sort of black
JAI by the Smyrna merchants to these robbers for per-
tu!!saion to get the fruit and other produce brought there
47 Shipment exempted from plunder is well known." Ho
_
revelled to the recollection of the House the was-
",ae of the Christians at Aleppo not long since. With
k :eeo a state of things let the House contrast the safety
it
Whether
security which existed in Egypt, end then decide
government
there was any good reason for transferring the
Z'V.ernment of that country to Turkey. Ho regretted
thqy that there was a general idea prevailing that the
th"e' a was not supported in a manner consistent with
eluguarantee which this country had given, and in con-
s Vnn observed, that though people had been talking of
rench invasion of this country, they might possibly
b 11.71 unless due attention was bestowed on the matters he
o;:b.t.°L submitted to the House, a French invasion on the
havn shores of the Mediterranean and on the banks of
Nile.
tithethit.e HANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER stated
reference
motion of the Honourable Member really had
bg,'7„ence to one of the most important and delicate
„1.a,1a of foreign politics, namely, the relations between
CiZitee' and Egypt; and he could assure the Honourable
'w111411111411 OM the 99hdeet 9f the preseut Ctinernment,