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EVENING-v APRIL i 6, 1852.

debate, namely, the feeling of this country. It was clear
that British colonists, by their sunetior Could
successfully resist barbarous tribes, Mit for 'that purpose they
' should be alloWed t 6 act for themselves. This country had'
not allowed the colonies to act for themselves. There was
. a place in this country called "Exeter which repre
Stinted a most respectable, but -most • mistaken feeling.
Now, Exeter Hall said ", we had no right to take • that
territory, because it was contrary to morality to do , so."
He tasked the Right ,Hon... Secretary for• the Colonies if, ha..
`Was prepared to maintain ear coloinsts in Africa? If they
were to be maintained, it must be against the aborigines,
and the best mode of doing so would be by giving the
colonistis the power of• Self-government. But they might
rest assured, If -they gave the colonists power to maintain
their dominion in the countryin which they had been planted,
the result would be th,e natives would be exterminated.—
(Hear.) It Iva§ a lamentable consequence, no doubt, but it
was one from which history showed there' was 'rib escape.
The black man would. disappear before tbe white man. There
were, however, compensating circumstances. Africa was now
to a great extent like America when discovered by Columbus,
but Africk colonised by a European race would' becomewhat
'America now was. The first step was a painful one, atid
Would be prodective of much cruelty and immorality; but
the result would be the planting of a, population far more
moral, and far more' capable of spreading civilization and
Christianity over the wild regions of South Africa The pecTle
of this country
,could not bear that the'colonists should re-
main in Africa at the expense of. England. This country
might defend tLen- against internal foes, but the colonists ,
must be left . todefend themselves against internal aggression.
The Right Hon. Gentleman said that he was about to give
the colonists'the power of governing themselves. 'rhe people
'of England must decide whether the colony was to be main-
tained, but if they decided that it should be retained, they
would" Might rest asaured that it be at the expense of the
African community, and that no poiver of theirs would pre-
vent the extermination of the African race., (Hear.)
Mr.' ADDERLEY, did not think that any consequence
such as that alluded to -by the Hon'. and Learned Member
'for Sheffield would follow the granting of self-Overnmeut
to the colonists at the Cape. The. Right Hon. Gentleman
bad stated that the question' was one which ought to be
dealt with cautiously, and with care, and delay. He admit-
ted that it should be dealt with cautiohsTy-and with ,care—
and with delay also if delay- Were possible. Much would de-
pend on the dispatch which the Right Hon. Gentleman in-
tended to send otit, and 'even 'the not sentling-itthe -silence
of the right Hon. Gentlemati—_would lead the colonists to-
form- an opinion of the - futilre policy—of this GOvernthent
towards- thein:' 'He was glad to hear the expressions used
by the Noble Lord the Member for the City of London with
reference to the conduct of Sir'ff. Smith. Those expressions
of the opinion'of the 'Noble Lard were,' like himself; noble
and generous. Whatever Might hive been the faults of Sir,
H. Smith-in his civil government, he' thoUght nothing in
his conduct could justify the dispatch Earl Grey 'had sent
out to recall hint. The Noble Lord' had- taken-credit to-the
late Government fbr conceding a Constitution to the Cape.
He believed the- Noble Lord had -done what' he-- could
to forward the granting of that Constitution • but he thonght
the Noble Lord had not taken,sufficient 'pfecaution to pre-
vent the measure being .frustrated. 'ale was firmly con-
vinced that if the colonists obtasned self-government they
Would not give up one inch of their territories, - and that the'
result would be the formation of 'a British colony in those
territories. With regard to the present vote, the only fault
he found with it was that it was too stnall. It was impossi-
ble tfor any one, to' suppose 'that 480,0001 • represented the
whole expense incurred during the last year for the Kafir
War. -Whatever the expense might amount tOthis country
must ray lit, and he saw no reason why the real amount'
.
should not be stated. She -amount, whatever it might be
had been incurred by our own Minister.' It was the penalty
we, had to pay for one—and he feared it wet not the only one
f Lord Grey's' experiments in colonial rule.—(Hear.)
The great question for consideration was how to preyent
the recurrence of so expensive a war. •• He had great con-
fidence inthe present Administration ; -and he had reason
to believe, from what he had heard, that the Right Hon:
Secretary for the Colonies would give satisfaction
to the colonists, A 3 he had given satisfaction
to those interested in. the - colony at home, -if lie
immediately promulgated the promised constitution. He'_
trusted by the time the next' news arrived from the Cape
that the war would be over. He hoped it would not be the
sham submission of'which they had received information by
the last mail, because they had had, experience that those
submissions were only temporary, and were the result of
successes by the 'British forces. Sir Harry Smith had
now, for the first time, a snfficient force with him, and he
felt satisfied that that able and gallant officer would not fall
under the unjust 'censures that had' been cast upon him.
The. Hon. Gentleman, then referred to the account given of
the termination of a former Kafir war, in 1835, to show
that the submissionof the chiefs could not be relied upon,
but which was by no means a real settlement of the differ-
ences between the Kafirs and the colonists. The great
difficulty was, to know how to make such' arrangeinents for
the protection of the frontier and 'the future amicable rela-
tions with the chiefs as would ensure permanent peace to
the colonists. .If the matter was. left tO the inhabitants of
the Cape, they were both ready and willing to undertake the
maintenance of their own territory. He was satisfied if that
Was dope they would have as strong, add 'as permanent, and
as, peaceful a colony as England possessedin any part of the
world.
• Colonel THOMPSON said that the great question, which
appeared to have been lost sight of, was how had this war
begun P. Did it begin by- a bull or two goats ?- Did it- not
rather commence with such conduct al had brought forward
a Gesler, and had lost Austria some of herfairest provinces,?
' 'Was it not a fact that it rose from an English ruler desiring
literally to set his foot upon the neck-of a Kafir chief ? It
was more than human nature could endure, and he was not
Surprised that some of their own countrymen actually prayed
for defeat upon their country's arms. He believed the
Anglo-Saxons thought they had a right to tyrannise over
and oppress all other nations. What nation was there that
did not hate them.—(Laughter.) •The lonians hated them—
the Kafirs hated them—and why? Because the depository
of power in the colony chose to set up these differences of
race against which: the Kafirs revolted. For this miscon-
duct—for this , injustice, they were now, in addition to
large sums previously voted, called upon to pay 400,0001.,
. together with the loss of oonfidoneo and popularity among
the natives. He thought they were bound to mark their
sense of votes like the present by voting against them.
Mr. F. PEEL was not desirous of prolonging the debate,
but he felt that he owed it to the Noble Lord (Earl
Grey), under, whom he had the homer to serve,
to make a few observations in reference to what

had fallen from the Honourable Member for Staf-
fordshire. The House would remember that that lion.
Member had placed a notice upon the paper reflecting
severely upon the conduct of Lord Grey. and imputing to
him everything that was mean, and base, and injurious;
alleging that he was desirous of shuffling from himself to
the . officers employed the responsibility of the situation of
affairs at the Cape, which he alleged resulted from. the
mismanagement and mal-administration of that Noble Lord.

It might7aleo be remembered that public papers and
elsewhere, where no answer could be given, those attacks
and misrepresentations were , perseveringly indulged in.
Whenever the affairs of the Cape were introduced the name
of Lord Grey was always brought forward, - and no pains
spared to• exhibit his conduct in the most unfavourable
light. He begged to say that in any place where the op-
portunity could -be afforded him, if the Hon. Member fur
Staffordshire. or any other. Ron. Member brought forward a
motion on the subject) he (Ur. Peel) should be prepared to
defend it, and particularly, with reference to that dispatch
to which so much allusion had been made, and he trusted
he should be able to substantiate every word and every
statement contained in it. But he understood the object of
this discussion was different. It was said that so long as
Parliament undertook the management of the affairs at the
Cape so long would they have a return of those harassing
and devastating wars, tea costly and so inglorious to the Bri-
tish arms. Now that there was a prospect of its termination
it was suggested that they ought to transfer to the colonists
the management of their own affairs. He thought it was
quite premature to lay down, any course of policy, and con-
tended that the course adopted by the late Government was
that which was the most advisable. .They had sent out as-
sistant commissioners, and it was.intended to have submitted
their rePort and suggestions to-. the consideration of Parlia-
ment. He admitted that largelracts of country had been
added to the Cape, and the most of those additions had been,
made during the administration of Earl Grey. lie was pre-
pared to show that these acquisitions were made in the in-
terests of the colonists; and as to their policy on the eastern
frontier, that it was undertaken for the protection of the
lives of the colonists.: With regard to the statement as' to
political ghanges, by the establishment of a new Parliament,
he believed Lord Grey and the late Government were zea-
lously desirous of, establishing a representative government
at the Cape, but these delays had arisen from that party of
which the lion.,Gentleman opposite was a member, who had
timed their opposition so well as to prevent the good inten-
tentions of Lord Grey from being carried into effect.
Mr. DRUMMOND regretted the Hon. Gentleinan oppo-
site had not brought forward his motion, of • which he
had given notice., He did not think the change in Go-
vernment was . a fair reason , why that motion should he
postponed. He rose to do a -signal act of justice towards
Sir H. Smith. If the Noble Lord (Lord •Grey) had chosen
to object to Sir H. Smith's-policy, It was open to the 'Noble
Lord to recal him • but when, the Noble Lord went beyond
that, and pretended ,to censure Sir IL. Smith's military--ope-
rations—(No,_no)—he asserted that Lord Grey's dispatch
did• censure Sir fi. Smith's military operations—who, he
asked, was that gentleman who presumed • to offer those
comments on Sir H. Smith? _where was-hie experience, his
military education?—(Hear, hear, and cheers.) And hen,
in contradiction to this, be had the opinion of the Duke of
Wellington in favour of Sir IL Smith and in censure of the
dispatch, he thought that was a sufficient vindication of Sir
H. Smith's military.reputation. lie pronounced the dispatch
of Lord Grey a shame.—(Hear,, hear.) He had never given
a factious vote. When he recollected the dirty Ceylon busi
, -
ness he felt convinced had Sir H. Smith been a Lord of the
Bedchamber, or the relation of a Cabinet Minister, the dis-
patch of' Lord Grey would never have been written—•(Hear,
hear)--and what was- more, the unmanly act of -throwing
down the dispatch on the table of that House beforethe chit-
Xacter of Sir H. Smith could be vindicated, would not have
occurred. He looked upon it as a very dirty job.—(Heilf.)__
Lord J. RUSSELL—Sir, after what has just fallen frnM
the Hon. Member for Surrey, .I cannot avoid gaginhat !_r_
words. .. The lion. Member expressed his regret
in(),lni:
Hon. Member had not brought, on the debate on the the'
of which he had given notice. I will take my 0_
is that Lerd
responsibility of this .matter.. My own opinion
lthorigh he had
Grey was reluctant to recal" Sir 'IL Smith,
had bead of the
be
been for ..some time convinced,. and I: had
whet
.• Sir
a matter of doubt
of
b..
en. for SOMB
time of opinion, that it was . _ . view is own
H. Smith . did not take a too sangui e
nclined to-indulge in
operations, and whether he was not • inopinion government
anticipations too favourable. 7
-11 m have every Op.
WAS anxious that Sir 11. Smith shouldto. a dose. At
War ' '•
portunity of bringing .the. . from which it ass.
length accounts were receive:
no reason to expect the
evident Government could hex'
anticipated• in Sir Harry
speedy termination of the war
Smith's letters and dispatches. . It was then Lord 'Grey
that Sir. IL-Smith should be re-
proposed to the. Cabinet:nously ,agreed in that opinion.
called,-and the Cabinet u y
My belief is that Lord
Gre came with pain to that deci-
.
aina, and I am'
quite- sure it was from no want of upright-
wish of throwing blameno which
ness or generosity—fromothers.
he had him Self incurred.
on Such a course formB no
'character. Then the
Noble Friend a . . .Honourable
part of my
says--repeating 'an insinuation I did not expect
Gentleman v
H. Smith had b
hear from him—if Sir
to Cabinet Minister,been like Lord
.orringtn, the relation of a
no such a dispatch
would not have been wf
ritlen.but Sir,e
did doubt Lord Torrington
is a distant relation 0 mine, . __ not owe to,that re-
lationship the appointment of Governor of Ceylon. I men-
tioned three or four persons to Lord Grey who I thought
0.
t. . I believe were fit to hold the appintmen Lord Grey pre-
ferred at first some other, but atterwarde he informed me tie'
had' received a suggestion, I know not from whom, that Lord
lit
,person to. entrust '
Torrington was a y , c
_es with the Government
of CeyTon. I gave my a Aui cence, but the suggestion did
not originate with me. Y own °Pinion is, that Lord Tor-
rington; instead of being treated with favour, underwent ari
and that partly on
unfair ordeal, .account of being unfortu-
nately me,
related to unmerited blame attached '
to him,• and
repeated faults ttribut wire. a ed to him. But I' say'that Lord
-Torrington's administration was successful—whatever dila-
,
,oulties he bad to encounter he overcame! whatever disturb-

ances occurred he suppressed,.and he left the colony in a far
better state than h'e found it.—(Hear.)
'Mr. HUMS said if 'the Hon. Gentleman (Mr. F. Peel)
could defend Lord Grey's policy, he was the only Member
who could do so.—(Laughter and hear.) He had never
heard any one, in or out of the House (except the Hon.
Gentleman), Who attempted to defend Lord Grey and hig
dispatch to Sir Harry .Smith. He advised Government to '
let the colony govern itself, and not to allow Doweing.street
to interfere in their local affairs. Never was a man more
ill-treated than Lord Torrington, who rather deserved ap-
proval than censure. Unfortunately, however, he failed to
preserve harmOnfamong the members of his Government,
and so was recalled., But when the Hon. Member said Lord
Grey favoured one. man because he was a connexion of a
Cabinet Minister, and did wrong to another who had no such
advantags, the Hon. Member did a gross injustice to Lord
Grey.
Mr. HINDLE"! was surprised that the Hon. Member
for Leominster (Sir F. Peel) had not vindicited the sanction
of Lord- Grey to the "vast accession of territory which had
taken place. He believed that our real policy was that of
Lord Glenelg, and
,that we ought not to have passed beyond
the Fish River. ,
The vote was agreed to, and the House resumed.
EXCHEQUER, BILES.
The EXchequer Bills Bill passed a second reading.
The Inventions Protection Bill was read a third time.
CORRUPT PRACTICES AT ELECTIONS BILL.
ToheethHeou6tshe tehlaeuns‘ev,ent. into Committee on this Bill.
•
Mr. WALPOLE moved an amendment, in order to pre-
clude the extension of the inquiry into practices at elections
which had taken place some time before the last election.
Lord J. RUSSELL said he thought it would be material
to empower the Commissioners to institute inquiries into
elections that had,occurred 20 years ago.
Mr. ANSTEY strongly opposed the amendment, saving
that the Bill was of little use now, and if the amendment was
iritroduced, the Bill would become a mockery and a sham.
Sir F. THESIGER said, some limit surely should be irn-
posed,:upon the Commissioners—(Hear, hear)—but to fix a
term of Sears alone would be difficult. He suggested, there-
fore a; period often years, or threo elections:
BOUVERIE said,Ahe Bill as it had stood followed the'
precedent ofthe St. Alban's Bill
Mr. REPTON said that Bid gave very large powers, and
inquiries had taken place into elections in 1846 and 1841.
Mr. HUDSON said, since his friends had come into offiee
he had received from his constituents numerous applications
'for the patronage of the 6ovcrntnent. Now until the party
opposite satisfied the country that this system of dispensing
patronage would be abolished, no Bill of this kind could be .
thought honest.—(Hear, hear.) Corruption at head-quarters
was greater than that which ever prevailed among the Poor
electors.—(Hear, hear.)
Sir A. COCKBURN hoped the amendment would rot be'
agreed to, as it would make the Bill inefficient. Judging by
the last election (Newport), where scenes of tumult and .
debauchery" had • taken place whim ougnt to mae us
ashamed, there was greater necessity than ever for such a
lneasuie. • - -
Mr. BELL (amidst cries of"
,Oh, oh") said the stringency
of these laws prevented their operation, and that the Com-
missioners ought nbt to have the power of making fish of one
person and flesh of another.—(Laughter.)
The Committee then divided, when there appeared—
For the amendment ... 99
Against it ,„, 116
Majority ... • —l7
The ansendment was therefore lost.
Mr. MULLINGS then moved, after " election," to add,
" and whether or not all or any of such corrupt practices
were committed or done by the fraud or contrivance, or at
the instance of any.and What person or persons in particular,
and fOr what object, or under what circumstances!' ' -
Sir A. COCKBURN argued that the addition proposed
was superfluous. • A similar case had not happened twice
within the last .twenty years. The Commissioners had not
to determine the disfranchisement of any borough; that was
to be determined by Parliament.
Mr. WALPOLE had no doubt the Commissioners would
make a proper report to the House.
Mrs AVULLINGS would not press his amendment.
Mr. J. STUART said no one doubted that the dockyard
boroughe were the most corrupt in the kingdom. The Bill
was founded on the most hypocritical pretences.
Sir A. COCKBURN said' when the Hon. Gentleman
charged him with hypocrisy he made a most unjust and
unfounded charge.
Mr. ANSTEY was also of opinion that it was hypocritical
to attack the recipient of the bribe and not the briber.
The arnendment was then withdrawn.
Mr. ADDERL EY moved a proviso, having for its object the
"legalisation of necessary refreshments at elections." At
present, it was impossible to give any refreshments without
coming within the definition of treating, and this he re-
garded as an anomaly. It had already been proposed to
issue a certain number of refreshment tickets by the sheriff,
the general expense to be borne by the candidates; but he
was anxious to have the principle of reasonable refreshment
ratified in the present Bill.
Lord J. RUSSELL did not think this proviso could fairly
be introduced into the present Bill, but it would be compe-
tent to affirm the principle in a separate measure.
Mr. ADDERLEY reminded the Noble Lord that treating
was mentioned in the Bill'before the House.
Sir A. COCKBURN said the Bill did not attempt' to define
treating. •
Mr. M. J. O'CONNELL did not think this proviso could
fairly be dealt with in the present Bill.
wasM likely to
h
DEReLiEetYredausekeeL when any measure on the subject
"heLroderliedJ.feßr UthSeStEiLliLvirsaasidthteha the n
Hon.
en. MHoem.hAem
elrfeber n
rEoseexw;hhomet
it would be competent for the Hon. Member (Mr. Adderley)
to bring in the Bill himself. •
Mr. J. S. WOR [LEY said the present measure applied
principally to boroughs, and it was in counties that the prac-
tice complained of principally prevailed.
After a few words from Mr. C. FORESTER,
Mr. ADDERLEY promised himself to introduce a Bill on
the subject.
After some conversation, clauses up to 9 were agreed to.
On clause 10 being proposed,
Mr. HUDSON wished to ask the Noble Lord lately at the
head of the Goyerament to state candidly whether he had
not dispensed his patronage, for the many years he was in
office, on political grounds, rather than in reference to pnblic
advantage?—(Laughter.) Unless there was some clause
introduced into this Bill requiring the Government to dis-
pense their patronage without favour and affection, it could
not confer any benefit on the country.
The remaining clauses of the Bill were then agreed to, the
House resumed, and
The CHAIR lI AN reported the Bill with amendments.
The Law of Wills' Amendment Bill was read a second
time.'
The Sheep; &c., Contagious Disorders' Prevention Bill
p a
,sis,
he
ed through h
e(Scotland)
t Commit.ia teen
d
Bill passed through Committee.
The following Bills were read a second time :—The Com-
mons Enclosure Acts Extension Bill, the Linen, &c., Manu-
factures (Ireland) Bill, the Differential Dues Bill, the Eccle-
siastical Courts (Criminal Jurisdiction) Bill, and the Poor
Relief Act Continuance Bill.
The Proclamation of Parliament Bill was brought down
from the House-of Lords, and read a first time.
Thetloase adjourned at Half-past One o'clock.

'HOUSE OF LORDS, April 5.
Lord REDESDALE took his seat on the Woolsack, in
the absence of the Lord Chancellor, at-Five o'clock.
EXPULSION OF SCOTCH MINISTERS FROII