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London, England, 1852-12-04 00:00:00

. '64 that it was not necessary to ask that vote, and
°re the estimated surplus, according to my state-
, o'lB virtually a surplus of 660,0001? There
floating a reduction made in the interest of
t„v""toe debt, amountinc, to about 40,0001., and
fact, would make the' estimated surplus on the
•;4",alch I had before me early in the year, 700,0001. I
the the committee how our finances are working
ConaMenceiment of the financial year on the sth of
vet' 4 The state of our revenue is extremely favourable,
eel- hear ") I calculated at the beginning of
dear that there would be a diminution of something
ielvtilan 100 000/. wopun the Customs. I took into con-
',lkhh'en the himuluus ofo the Exhibition given last year
4e4:LaPtion, and also the further reduction which had
ho,..7'ce in the sugar duties. I thought, therefore, that
iklent not to press too much on the .Customs. They had
qthduty very well, and we must not be alarmed this
ere is some slight diminution. The two causes to
''tol hare referred—the great stimulus given last year
of by the Exhibition,and the further reelec-
pewiled - in my opinion, occasion
th,„. on sugar—would,.
A'untition, which I estimate at something. about
itoiL". think there will be that diminution of about
in the Customs, from the commencement of the
'etel .Year to the present time. The decrease has fillet-
4105Lt,has
not been always such as would give a resul,.
ih.d.'""'". At this time it would give a little more; but
thr,t.taY estimate will be exactly fulfilled. I estimate a.
ter in thExeise. There is at present a much
itte crease in the Excise' but lam not prepared to say
vtay iCnd of the year the estimate will be exceeded ;
'l*.aaPs mated. think we ought not to take accyunt
;'iktet'e a- esti that the stamps would be about
last year. The stamps have increased e_verv_,.
',heir increase has neverfor a moment been checked
tie total in
th crease on stamps, from the sth of April to
ovember last, is nearly 30,000. I estimated
erable reduction in the property tax. I said
stee
pPertY J
8417
tax. The property taxto calculate that we mi, ght
like t losehelestoa,moTai:
•acreasing every week progressively, and instead
%.11`arc54,1,„5'150,0001 , there has been an increase of 187,0001.
1P047ar.) Of eit would be neither convenient
tie for me t course it would be neither convenient
i for me to give anything like a formal state-
-114 tae'tti,ll'B Memento, and which I think it would be agree-
!°ll we house to have in an authenticated shape ; but
Lli,oo'olr state that, my estimated surplus being virtually
"NC the house will be safe, on their part, i▪ n ac ding
iia'froln the inland revenue. There will be some
ts Case on which I may count. I think our
% f o the sth April, taking the coldest.
Plieradr'n r aliculation, instead of amounting
kZ1,1,,41 -44eia'AMatai:,e 'which I estimated it at when I made
certainly reach somewhat ap-
It..l4looing, to utepulweaurdt's will
a million more than that.
7k, don't believe I can calculate it at less than
ar 1 408,000/. Therefore I think under these
,/ae_es! that I may ask for a vote for the increased
thiramthis year, . Ybi hof course must be supplied
isiq to ae mint. (Sir Charles Wood was here under-
l• ia the amount of the supplementary vote ?) I
a No
put it down upon paper to-morrow, or on
017 km ;'°Nv, sir, I have mentioned that it was the
t;tt'd t,4.4l„tention of the Government, if they were per-
t''t°llow the course which they have chalked out
hemely not precipitately—to effect
Th:lte.oll.9.,,es—ultimately.,P
r„‘gity 14erable reduction in the expenditure of the
',,,,'tbet; fa? think that this is a subject which has
.hardly
s!, reb. I.IIY dealt with. Hitherto we have considered
1,410t4 `eachment and not efficiency was. the parent 14 S'• of
beee„.,-, Government has reduced the estihmeeatesfraom-
kNe,-'1 of the moment, and there has . nan p
`Rod °l!._reduction in
.the expenditure ; but it is always
„of Y a collapse , and generally, the unfortunate
aaPPlying the deficiencies of the Administration
• arn their successors. One Administration cuts
ci er iobliged to increase. As long as it is a
jlesti op
g d shillings and pence, lam
tei;44---tlll rtilat°llnoofpe-romunanesn't and su'listantial retrench-
,try reduction rather—in the expenditure of the
tk,Rt reteaien_b.e obtained. Sir, I think the duty of an A. d-
-1,111t", 44,4 Is to look to the efficiency of the establish-
-I‘,". not at the rate to which they may be main-
L' as A.' You make an establishment efficient, you almost
i
tt'% nattiral consequence that you save money ; an
k,tll.tehl,repeat it, it is efficiency andewnoteirre,trel
eancyhmitenit
e "rue parent of econoniy.
Peasible to effect reductions in th'e establishment'
ifeNtatrY, and I believe considerable reductions
that
may
Wefollow kit° the old system. I know, sir,
la
,t,„„Te most ungracious undertaking in which an
4051504:40n can embark. There is nbthing easier for
tit'goler 'on than to call for retrenc meet—teeheinreptsaneoe-
-4411, thate,ifncult for an Administrati▪
on than .
VseDii 'emend as long as you leave the existing estian-
Oeikne's founded on the same principles,nieret on
ch,
ttertikeeptilrit, and arriving at the 'ame fat would • all
to,. make use of an observation
ge 8t censure upon those permanent civil servants
itek,kl ,11.atirY by whom such of the administrationof. affairs
"'3---tle't• myself the other night—however imper-
ke ". Vlated my humble tribute to their valuable. ser-
li,"ot .i.uat they do they do in the best manner , but they
tv, h, they
for the establishments of the
'%tat,"lr.loPitiion that the system of administration in
the ecj ri is not as advanoed as the other great operations
141,441417. Whether we look to our commerce or to
high ref occupations of men, they have more changed
Olieeetace to the circumstances of the age than the
Or.) ',.nts by which the administration is conducted.
ch:ell, sir, how are we to d- al with those im-
tt7.' the"4,eulties ? If you attempt to reform, you have to
O''die two most formidable obstacles is the world—at
and skill. The person who presides over a great
kent
e does not like your interference, and he
can
611104 ..,,Nv'edge on the subject than you have.. What
tv'4t 5. "utaeult than such an enterprise Sir, I h_t..weewae
11),,,t1Itili'ect for the House of Commons, to which I
101. There is no man who o more esteems the
t,"Y it:, committees of this house. If I wanted an in-
rpd in condition of India, I don't kn.ow,
eetnhdnatelt
world find a body of men who would
;' 411 ihe
,I'--,ull4ll.VeStigatioll with such satisfaction to a civilized
tittei
You bring a large number of individuals
Q for board—skilled statesmen—men eminently.. quali-
-013,;"uo task of • argatino• great polituml questions.
'41,44e(111ig to the lbuovare the liowledge of those most
L g •''') afford information, and to offer their opi_eiyoenns
‘'• rap 4 and temper of men of the world. But, if
Aat, Qc4oteittee of the House of Commons to examine
1,""ole—r Public department, you never ar
rive at results of
~Ztizatiettatisfa.ction to those which. attend the in-
lpf,tatio,,ll by a committee of the affairs of India, or the
tt,'"orst" of the Factory Act, or any
.subject of general
bra tersilPall Which the information, theintetellihgemen..ce,
You
kj;! °f men of the world are brought
Y,;``leal 'atlY to investigate ; you have men of different
thell hay.°l4lll°us ; and the result is always utterly fruitless.
t'avo." a' committee of this house upon. the army, upon
uponthin the ordnance. Well, what . yowuandtonaed?.
stret, tlear, hear.) But I say this—if you
your Govern-
tit °eve reform, why don't you apply to
aes the same e principles as you apply. to your re-
re ree,,krtreent ? Issue commissions ;
4 -$348.b1 f the information which they
her., 1e or . make theniGoayypeerne..-
eil'lre oract Well, sir, I can assure the house
e upon.
(littryernment are sincere in their attempts at ad-
VtirtatLve reform. There is a suggestion of the greatest
b,h' a. which has long been recommended to this
m that is for bringing the whole revenue of the
4°,,ste",aader the control of Parliament. (Hear.) Well,
tki:„ VCePared to recommend such a course—(hear, hear) :
lti; the these financial measures are passed I shall
ey "Nib °PPortunity of bringing the subject o.f admi-
-041-tee reform before the house, and I will then
NeeP ill detail than it is possible for me now to
84--, it is barely possible for me even thus cur-
-lA:a What vert this all-important subject. I will ex-
te,eci to to
measures her Majesty's Government are pre-
r I.Te,coromend. But if they are supported, those
Tb.-- 11 have the most beneficial effect, and.
t'lq,`l4.*lltry"4,ve reductions in the public expenditure. of this
an 'eh Mear, hear.) Well, sir, there point on
lo,Atsla.Mall to 'ask the sanction of the housise.aT ecreoThis.
he laurnent that we have called the Loan Fund
eAcr4 A is ray intention to ask the house to terminate
411'etigeitl°11 of that fund—the Public Works. Loan F.utnclQ
,It,„Zasarv?. Now the nature of this establishment,
"f"2 saY—beeause it in some degree bears on. our
t 4 g."-- 'pane the nature of this establishment is as
la4') vihTrit is founded on principles exactly distinct from
°light at present to prevail, and had its origin
" tutees exactly contrary to those that at pre-
soiY, 44,i' In the year 1817 there was a surplus of la-
4k,'"ere " a deficiency of capital. There were 200,
tit' maad sailors dismissed at one time from the
aLml,l4;,,ariny It was thought necessary to give fac-
614terPloym. ent, and a certain body of men. were
N.`4l"ast villo acted gratuitously, who acted with the
tOr „,.eal, integrity and ability throughout_ the wholewe
e(1 .1"" this commission. Exchequer bills -
ttleci Pai,orteder to employ the peopl.e,aiaonndretleiae syedsttehme issuecon
ft till
n years ago, the commis
"451'4 %encl. bills, and a certain sum was alloted to it
11 t ''llselidated fund. Well, that system has gone
r 4 4e it; Ws ,I said, circumstances exactly the reverse of
%,, eT,la`,llich it had its origin have occurred. Instead
•4 1;444'a of labour, there is a deficiency. Instead ofe
l'eqn ;caPital, we have now a plethora of capital.
,Ontrlha„ei is that the commissioners for this▪ loan, which
itao-1 1 flan." 4. by quarterly payments from the conso.lih-
qr hayelarg- e balances. at their command, which
rej shall extremely injudicious system. W. e propose—
,'"as h7;',"love the house when an opportimity offers the
propose—
the of tge... induce us to propose—to terminate the op'era-
ec), ; and I propose that the payments which
°fet a-% rki ""carers make shall be brought to the Ways and
is -h 1--e th
which will assist the revenue
e e old stoles,
the'eatly el'ettY• (Hear, hear.) Well, now, sir, my task
Mienhn toPleted ; and if I have somewhat drawn. upon
so mllitYtehe of the house, I can only say, with great
de kaelaio at I do not think any person ever had to say
aokv?ared4,a° many subjects. (Hear,
.hear.) I have en-
,i4 It hA to treat them all as succinctlypossible :
the b'eart-e°PleS my duty to explain to the houseas the ways
":v which I ropose that we shou. dteaccompplucsrb,
I j 'rich her Mp'esty's Government in tend to
Peeh.;.car lek.,--114AY offer to the house an estimate asreegaredxs-
tt„-uttlre-"0-4, so far as the reduction and increasear
asf the
and mare concerned. on the one hand, and so f
elft7r. I 4-ealls to meet the increase are &lice ed on the
hibante of° not attempt to offer to he houses
ho pr,.what the army navy, and 0 • will re-
aformal
I a sure the
Nll% vr,;'-`,1,8 'would be perfectly absurd, and If I
tiLeMit not be so unreasonable as to ask for it.
I,e "A°ffice, of course it will be my duty at the propert
t "Alit next) to go into the minor details ; now
Aron °II °..alce the year 1853-4, and to show what in my
.
Will be the amount of the extra expenditure °coat
acorn
extYrrelvd!ictions and estimates, and which must be me
itte e for 43:8 and means. The malt tax—making
, ketch drue gain to the revenue by putting an end
.o the
tallow-
rce"aeje" and k, and to the difference of duty levied on
uigg"—l take the loss of revenue from the
le „.11 of the malt-tax, at about two millions and a
iutette'r-' will not come into operation until the 10th of
hack 11 be°l3.f the year 1853 ; but on the 10th of October
acessary for me to be prepared to pay a draw-
sety will &docks in hand on which, of course, the reduced
m.of 0 dien be required. I take for that drawback the
led one Million. The reduction of the duty on tea to i
icase of Calculated at 54,000,0001b5., but subject to the in-
zeo.4 the eCinnirnAtiOn, of 60,000.0001b5., will cause a loss '
,0001r.eVertue in the year 1853-4 on that one item of
`3l. (int The extra estimate for the year—[An hon. mem-
all erniptin
t. affect th g) : Reps.] The duty on hops will not. at
the e year 18534—it will not come into operation
r4OOO
The extra estimates I take at
thuourabiaanu Perhaps I may be permitted to say, as
fort a I haveerttleroen may be alarmed at extra estimates,
~ the received not absolutely the army estimates
Nth year 18534, but a private memorandum as to their
rerotioand although I do not wish to boast of a great di-
eatiiekten, Yet there will be a diminution in the army
lA,
.for 1853-4. But subject to that diminution,
-"'ever t
Pet their n'ay be, I put the extra estimates at 600,0001.,
be e,(4 'gilt dues at 100,000/ , and therefore there will
fi.oo,oo6tra demand upon our resources' to the amount of
'441 [An hon. member (interrupting)—Thme mil-
--ere may be no mistake on the subject.