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London, England, 1852-06-24 00:00:00

IMPERIAL PARLIAMENT..

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 23.
COLONI AL CHURCH. •
(Continued from our Afternoon Edition of yesterday.)
lir. HORSMAN said they ought to proceed with
great caution in this matter. The principles must be
shown to be clear and unambiguous, but ho was sorry to
say he was at a loss to discover what really was the
abject of the Right Hon. Gentleman in pressing the
resolution. The Government had announced that
they intended to turn their attention to the subject
of the Colonial Church, and he could see
DO practical good that was likely to result from
this proposal. The Bill which the Right Honourable
Gentleman formerly introduced was a revolutionary
Bill, intended to introduce an ecclesiastical tyranny into
the colonies, but the epeech which proposed it was a de-
lusion and a snare. The speech was a lamb, but the
Bill which came after it was a wolf. This motion,
let the House remember, was brought forward by
the organ of a party who should not be lost sight
of—it was a dangerous and encroaching party, whose
tactics could he gathered from the fact that its organ
had made a speech on such a day and at such a
time when he knew it would have to go forth without
;reply, and leave the people to suppose that it was un-
answered and unanswerable. The course, however, pur-
sued by the Colonial Secretary was widely different—it
was manly and straightforward, and it must be gratifying
to the House and the country to know that it would de-
feat the purpose of those who had been instrumental in
bringing the subject before Parliament. No practical
good could possibly result from the adoption of this reso-
lution, but the Right Hon. Gentleman wanted it to pass, to
print his Bill and send it out to the colonies. That might
Ise the avowed object, hut•it was not the real motive for'
this movement. The fact was, there was a party in the
Church who wanted to establish a tyrannical system
the colonies, in the hope that they mightobtenthnOwteletj..ecefrcahwntuwrici,
enabled to introduce it at home. Their real
to destroy the free spirit and pure simplicity
for the purpose of substituting in its c,
edifice and the worst and most
hoped, how
laoueioaus' formg of
episcopal and priestly domination.and pr
ever,
Parliament would continue on its guard event this.
The Right Hon. Gentleman had said that the bishops of
ds ewqhuae in
the colonies had been deterred from meeting
consequenceownpenal
es.saiod
course the Right Hon. Gentlemande the liberty of disbe-
lievingbut he (Mr. Horsman)
it altogether. would
t?ps. had already met in
synod, as everybody in the lohzes knew. Who was
then, for so doing, to prosecute ior under while
ea be prorecuted? He certainly
law were they
to this Bill, and
objected protested against
its beingdreeisraitted to the colonies in its present ehape.
Considereeg the dangers and difficulties which now sur-
rounded the Cdinrch, any legislation for the distant colo-
_ies ought to be attended with great care and caution.
ite thought this was a proposition most dangerous and
absurd, and he hoped that when the Government came
next year to redeem the pledge which he understood
they had given, to legislate on this subject, they would
do so on principles clear, defined, and intelligible.
Sir W. P. WOOD regretted that the Hon. Member
for Cockermouth should invariably impeach the motives
of any Hen. Member who might chance to differ from
him in any opinion, and impute to him sinister and dis-
honest reasons for such differences.—(Hear, hear.) The
other day it was himself (Sir W. P. Wood) who had been
impugned with reference to the view which he bad taken
of the state of the law on another subject, and
to-day it was the Right Honourable Gentleman the
Member for the University of Oxford. The Honour..
able Gentleman said that this Bill had a concealed
motive—that i!s real object was to establish eta eccle-
siastical tyranny in the colonies. Certainly, if it had
such a concealed motive. he had never seen any motive
so well and dexterously concealed. (Hear, hear.)
It was a very odd way of establishing an ecclesiastical
tyranny to seek to give the laity a greater power
and a larger share of legislation in church matters
than was possessed by the laity of this country.
Tne Hou. Gentleman said that some of the bishops in
the colonies had done mischief there, but he (Sir W. p.
Wood) thought that it was but necessary to refer to the
progress of the Church in the distant colonies to show
that the bishops had done great good, Many of them
had been sent to a heathen population, or to a convict
population standing in need of religious education even
more than heathens. Within the last fifteen years the
number of clergy employed ender the colonial bishops had
increased threefold, from.soo to 1,600, and in the Cape of
Good Hope they had increase sixfold. The power which
the Church in the colonies wanted, and which he thought
would be conferred by some Bill of this sort; was to
show the foroe, energy, and vitality which it possessed
when duly organized. In effecting this object, he hoped
the Hon. Member for Cockermouth would join, laving
aside his prejudices for once, and endeavour to aid the
causeof Christian truth by adhering to Christian charity.
Mr. BUTT strongly objected to this Bill, to the intro-1
daction of which ho was only induced to consent by
the implicit confidence which he placed in the Right Hon.
Baronet the Secretary for the Colonies.
Mr. GLADSTONE. wished to say a few words on a
personal matter. For the first time in his public' life be
had felt greatly grievefiby the tone which the Right Hon.
Gentleman. the. Secretary for the Colonies had adopted in
his speech• on the second reading of the former Bill.
The language, however, which the Right Hon. Gentle-
man had used to-day had convicted him (kr. Gladstone)
that the expressions he then used lay within the fair'
_limits of debate; and hrwished sponetneously to Say
that ho eniirely withc_lrow atytliing which he might have
said when lebouring ntSlety'his first impression, and re-
gretted ever having used thtm.
Sir J. PAKING TON. said he most cordially accepted
the Right Hon. Geetletrearda epelogy.
The resolution was then Agreed to, end the Ch airman
being directed to reeve for loam to bring in a Bill to
sweeud the lewsdelating to the Colonist Church, the
House resurnaii, and leav, was to brin;-.; in the Ed
?yis fROPOLi rAN BUitIALS BILL.

The !loos° then went into Committee on this Bill,
commeociemo with c:4use 38.
The retuaininx.clluses of the Bill were agreed to.
• Mr. T. DUNCOMIiE proposed a clause exempting
. from tar.ltion horses and carriages kept for funeral pur-
poses only.
The CHA.NCJELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said he
apprehended it was impossible to move a clause of this
nature in Committee on this Bill. It would be neces-
. eary to go into a Committee of the whole House, and
move a speoial resolution with regard to this parti-
cular tax.
The amendment W 39 then withdrawn.
Sir W. MOLESWORTH• moved a clause providing
• compensation for the owners of burial growl& which
might be closed by the operation of this Bill.
The CHAIRMAN said the same objection would ap-
t ply.to this clause as had been urged against the clause
of. the Hon. Member for Finsbury. If the compensation
• were to come out of the Consolidated Fund, a prelimi-
nary resolution would be necessary. •
After a brief dislussion the clause was added to the
Bill. The pre amble was afterwards agreed to, and the
House resumed.
• The r.-port w,s ordered to be received to-morrow.
GENERAL BOARD OF HEALTH (AMEND.
MENT) BILL.
?a the motion for going into Committee on this Bill,
alter GEORGE PECHELL suggested that certain
tiona should be made in the Bill with reference to
ATt._h Of Brighton.
few words from Lord J. MANNERS,
Sir dvu(Te went into Committee.
0.„„e ;iiitiehE PECHELL moved the omission of
related to Brighton.
w
• •
The motion
AU the ether 'Cl'aaugarJsre wereedto. ig,roed to,-and the House
muffled. •
The report w„, or,
!..ered_ to be received to-morrow.
FRIENDLY
Thbi Bill
r,,a2?,C.It.I.ETIES (No. 2) BILL.
‘,„,h,_rd time and passed.
BISHOPRIC OF . -i-'utISTCHUROLI (NEW ZEA-
'I4NI)) BILL
This .Bill was COlifuckved
to be read a third to..rioruo:greed.to, and ordered
VALUATION (ut,,.
",a :cil4oo3erieledßainLdlia.greed to,
This. Bill, as amended,
and ordered to be read a third
CRIME ..A.ND OUTRAGE morrow.
This• Bill was read a third time antiLi_A4s,eDd). BILL.
PATENT LAW P
I)rlEi.i'D BILL
This 1314 weS read s thiL3 ti'°39 and Tr- v, •
.1 NC U ZaBERED ESTATES
This Bill was read a third time and iZel2 BILL.
;3CiIOOL SITES' ACTS E..x TEN'S'ICtx BILL.
This Bill. was read a third time and puseti.
• PROPERTY' OF LUNATICS BILL,
This ,Bill was read a third siincoan d; Passe•
DISTRZiSED UNIONS (IRELAND) Br,.
• This Rill was read a third tire,/ and, pstird.
WOODS, .FORESTS, AND LAZip• REYENQES
BILL. • •
Thiia Bill.was considered and aered.
agreed to, and or
to be reackw third time to-morrow. BILL
• EXCISE SUMMARY PROCEEDINGS
This Bill was considered and agreed -to, and ordered
to be read a third time to-morrow.
SECRETARY OF BANKRUPTS OFFICE
ABOLITION BILL.
and ordered
This dill was considered and agreed to,
to be ;gad a third time to morrow.,
,BISHOPRIC OF QUEBEC BILL.
This Bill as amended was considered and agreed to,
and ordered to be read a third time to-morrow.
COLONIAL BISHOPS BILL.
This Bill passed through Committee and was ordered
to be reported. to-morrow.
METROPOLITAN SEWERS BILL.

On, the motion for. the third reading of this Bill,
Arr. PETO said that he had the honour of being
, called to the Commission last appointed on the subject
'of the metropolitan sewers, and with him. were asso-
,ciated .M.r. Stephenson, Mr. Ikeda, Sir W. Cubitt, end
sivt-ral other gentleman connected with the public: warns
of the kingtioa. It :va3 distinctly understood on the
part of the Govzrument and the Commission that the
attettioa of the Commioioners wa to he directed un-
realittingly,to the consideration .of. plans for the sew-
e rage of tacino:ropolis. Teey had accordingly so de.
- voted their-attention,. nod during the sixtem months
-the:J. 1,444161c-1 on h;;Comini4ion plß:ns had been in.
tresug,ituLL•undi reatury for Vie se .7croge both on the
nertern und if rah sidei.of the river, end works of
grnLe:inagoitude,tiiourgeit necessity of the easo
, rentilWed, , • p.n.forened. Upon Lord
Rin.ingtoa
.gtoirlg up the ofTica cf
o:ll,irrntu of.
- the 013-`211113"°,n • (lir. Nte) - had been re-
qacata• to tale the pisitiou of deputy.chair..
man, and to rcyrt'aent the Commission in that
• House. Since that time, ht, te_
ret
tutl to say, they had
• lost their chturrnan.ctui_r_u or three other members, and
he Cylr. Pete) " hi.dantyd7 lutionjunction with Mr.
-Stephenson, Mr. Rendell;
8_ sit; \v. Cubitt, to resign
his offise. They done s 3 i
7 on this ground, that
them, had 0, they n• n-ctled, had good faith
WO viiitt.thgallti did 11'4 Ule44 ion tho part of the pre-

sent Govennmeet—he entirely exonerated them—but by
-the4ate Government. The Commissioners were appointed
to perform a great public duty, and so far as they were
concerned they had entirely fulfilled it. When they
took;office they found the whole affairs of the Commission,
from a misunderstanding that had existed on the part of
the former Commissioners, in a most disorgauized
state, and ho would mention one circumstance to show
the mode in which the business of the Commission
bad been carried on. A confidential paper ad-
dressed to one of the late Commissioners, occupying a
place also in the new Commission, although
i headed
" private and confidential," had found its way into the
public papers, and the first time he saw it was in the
public press. He and his colleagues felt that an office in
such a state of disorganization did requiretobe: re-or-
ganiz2d, and that duty they had fulfilled.h They also
matured plans for the sewerage; but, having done so,
they found they were not in a position to borrow
money. The Act under which they were performing their
the
oef
imposition Commissioners
of
a small
fao
lri
duty was so imperfect that, althoughh he bad entered
into negotiations on the par
theloan of three-quarters of a million, to be returned
in about thirty years by h
rate on the metropolis, it C7a3 found that no party
could safely make the loan. They felt they were
placed to a most onerous position, which only those who
ere •
ass a,ork s
no to
prospect which
h e were acquainted with the state of the metropolis could
o
form an ocinion of; and feeling how urgent was the ne-
ofh
hadt erc 3s sit y of
ficarryingadi
ng that t
there the
u
e7ng re-
ferred, and
carried out, they had felt it their duty to resign;
for however 371XiCUS they were to fulfil a public duty,
yet they were not prepared to remain in an invidious po-
sition, and to be pointed et as not carrying out works
with which the interests and morality of the metropolis
were so much connected. The drainage of the metro-
,
polis would req • uire at least 1,000,0001., and that
amount could not be acquired in any other way
than by loans for a period of about thirty years,
and to be repaid by a rate not higher than 6d.
in. the poand. It had been said that the plan
propospd by the Commissioners was to maks the Thames
the medium of the sewerage; but he declared, that
neither On the part of Mr. Stephenson, Mr. Rendell, Sir
W. Cubitt, nor himself, or any of the Commissioners of
1849, was the idea of taking the Thames as the means
of sewerage ever entertained; and that, after giving the
subject their most careful and anxious deliberation, they
had come to the determination that their only course
was to take such a point below the metropolis as would
render it impossible for the water of the Thames near
the metropolis to be affected by the refluxion of the tide.
It was no fault of himself and his colleagues if those
plans were not carried into execution—he regretted
exceedingly that they had not been able to carry
out those works, cut the responsibility did not
rest with them. At the same time, although they did
feel it their duty to resign their offices, the Government
might at all times command their services.

• Mr. WALPOLE said that the country was much
indebted to the late Board for the manner in which
it had performed its arduous task, and he begged per-
sonally to thank his HOD. Fiend and his colleagues for
the attention they had paid to the subject.—(Hear.)
The Bill was then read a third time and passed.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS.

A messenger from the Lords brought up the follow-
Jig Bills, to.which their Lordships had agreed:—
Passengers' Act Amendment.
Poor-law Commission Continuance (Ireland).
Representative Peers for Scotland Act Amendment.
Adams's Estiee.
Differential Dues.

Cork Improvement, without amc'ndment.
Great Western, Shrewsbury and Birmingham, Shrews-
bury and Chester, Shrewsbury and Hereford, Birken-
head, Lancashire, and Cheshire Junction, and Hereford,
Ross, and Gloucester Railway Companies.
Birkenhead, Lancashire, and Cheshire Junction Rail-
way (Abandonment of Part of Line), &c.
Humber Conservancy and Kingston-upon-Mill Docks.
Oxford, Worcester, and Wolverhampton Railway (No.
1), with amendments.