The Sun.
London, England, 1864-06-02 00:00:00

CIRCASSIA.

Lord STRATFORD de REDCLIFFE asked whether
the Secretary of Foreign Affairs had any information to
give the house respecting the many deaths which had taken
place amongst the Circissians on their way from their own
country to Turkey, flying from the persecution of the Rus-
sians ?

Earl RUSSELL replied that he had no doubt great
mortality had occurred amongst those unfortunate emi-
grants. lie would lay upon the table of the house such
paper, as be could gather, calculated to give their lordships
the information asked for.
MO,tTGAGE DEBENTURE BILL.

Lord REDESDALE moved their lordships go into
committee on this bill, the object of which was
to enable public companies to lend money on land
on mortg,ge. The subject had been considered in
committee as a private bill, but it had been thought
desirable to bring in a public bill on th 9 subject
rather than give such power by a private bill. The mea-
sure enacted that all the securities taken under the bill be
registered as securities on real property.

Lord PORTMAN thought several amendments were
required in the various clauses.
Earl GREY said the had been very carefully consi-
dered by the c ,mmittee to which it had been referred.
His noble friend Lurd P..rtinan) had mistaken the object
of the measure, which was solely to enable the owners of
money on the one hand and the owners of land oa the other
to enter into arrangements for their mutual ban.lit. It was
well known that a large extent of land was lying waste, he-
cau,,e its owners had not money to work it Now, this
bill would enable the ..wn.as to surmount that state et
things by raising money for the object required.
Lord OVERS 1 ONE agreed with the noble lord who
had just sat down, in thinking it desirable that every
facility should be given to landowners to pro-
cure money for the purpose of working the land,
but he thought it very essential that Parlia-
ment should watch very narrowly to see that it did
not indirectly sanction the maintenance of concerns that by
other statutes had been condemned. He objected to the
securities being cal ed rnortgf ge debentures— they were no
such thing; they were merely acknowledgments of debt.
(LEFT SPEAKING.)

HOUSE OF COMMONS—This Evening,
The SPEAKER took the chair at four o'clock.
PRIVATE BUSINESS.

The following bills were read a third time and passed :
Crieff and Methven Junction and Branch Railway—Kirk-
cudbright S ewartry RoAds—London, Brighton, and South
Coast Railway (Additional Power,)— Wallasey Improve-
ment (A Verbal Amendment to be proposed.)
BELFAST IMPROVEMENT (No. 2) BILL.

On the motion for the consideration of !his bill,

Mr. MAGUIRE moved that such consideration should
be postponed for a week. He accused the corporation at
Belfast of having, in reference to this bill, raised money
under false pretences, they having obtained money for a
specific purpose to which it was never applied. They
brought forward a bill in 1857 and another in 1858, both or
which were negatived. A Commission was then ap
pointed, but the inquiry was limited to financial matters,
and did not embrace the subject of the grievances of
which those whose interests he advocated com-
plained. The bill was, in fact, an attempt to
obtain indemnity from the corporation of Bel-
fast for their misconduct, and one of the grave 'charges
against that body was that they had perverted the funds
entrusted to their charge to political purposes. If the de-
lay he proposed were acceded to, it would enable certain
referees to meet and give the result of their deliberations.
Sir C O'LOGHLEN seconded the motion.
Sir H. CAIRNS said that the hon member (Mr Maguire)
did represent the constit dency of Belfast, and he was grossly
misled by the statements he had heard, and on which be
founded his amendment. In a town of 150,00 inhabitants
there never was greater unanimity than thatdisplayed by par•
ties of all shades of opinion in favour of this bill, He de-
fended the conclusions arrived at by the committee, which,
from its constitution, was abive reproach, and which ha,l
investigated the whole subject with the greatest care aLd
attentim.

Sir C. O'LOGIILEN said he had no desire to defeat
the bill by delay, but he thought benefit would result Irom
the adoption of the hon. and learned member for Dungan-
non (Mr Maguire), so that the house would be in a bettor
position to determine the merits of this bill. An agree-
ment had been made between the promoters at.d oppo-
nents of the bill to %fer it to arbitration, whi.h was
pending, and he trusted the house would not sanction the
violation of that agreement by allowing the bill to be hur-
ried on prematurely to a third reaaing.
Mr. CARDWELL said that the subject had been re-
ferred to him some time back. It appeared that some years
ago, when feeling ran high in Beltast, the corporation 01
that town were accused of misappropriation of funds. He
strongly condemned the idea of indemnity being withheld
from the corporation of Belfast.
After some further discussion the house divided, when
the numbers were--
For the motion
Against
Majority
The report was accordingly
agreed to, and ordered to be
read a third time.

CONSTRUCTION OF SHIPS FOR THE ROYAL

--NAVY.
Sir F. SMITH gave notice that on en early day ho would
move that au humble address be presented to her Majesty
for a commission to inquire into and report upon the vari-
ous systems in operation for the con,ttuction of ships for
the Royal Navy, with a view to the adoption of the best
system. (Hear, hear.)
MEAL AND GRAIN POISON BILL.
Mr H. BERKELEY gave notice thlt he would move
for an amendment and alteration of the provieions of this
bill.
NAVAL ARCHITECTURE.
Mr. A. SMITII asked the Vice President of the Com-
mittee of Council on Education whether an amended report
had been received by his department from the institution of
naval architects recommending the etabli,henent of a
school of navel architecture at Kensington; and whether
he would lay the same upon the table of the house.
Mr. BRUCE said that no further report on the subject
had been received, but a correspondence was going on
which at its completion would be laid before Parliament.•
THE HUDSON BAY TERRITORY.
Mr A. MILLS asked the Secretary of State for the Colo-
nies Government exercise at the pre-
sent whether her Mak,s'y's
moment any control over the territory • • d by the
Hudson's Bay Company, ant stated, intch:iirm
prospectus
issuedin July Lib; to ccayritsk: iiicto,Doo square =lea ands

whether it was in contemplation to establish a crown colou
in any portion of this territory.

Mr. CARDWELL said that negotiations were going on
on the subject.

THE CONVICT WHITE.

In reply to an Hon. MEMBER,
bir G. GREY said that his attention had been called to
the subject, and he had received a letter from Mr Payne on
the subject, and it appeared that the party convicted had
been sentenced to five years' penal servitude., and had been
a very abandoned criminal. He defended the conduct of
Mr. Payne in his judicial character.