The Sun.
London, England, 1852-06-11 00:00:00

Emit:lemons of the Ant of 1846 bed been realised,
asserted C:11 a ferener occasien what, he aelveLced now
that the eells coiriplaieed of had eon Leen iecreased
the Ac of 1816.
T!le, Dtik, of NORTHUMBERLAND was u
to say that sine he bed c ,me into office the Admiral in
cr)7eLeend on the West India station had reported to him
that all the evils conapleized of were attributable to the
Act. Of 1846. ederstood
The ii shop of OXFORD was sensible of .the diffi"
culty of discussing a measure like this incidentally. Th°
Nohla Earl's argument was, that the real distress in the
West India colonies wee not attributable to the Act of
1346; and the Noble Earl then went on to say that tin
negroes, in the first instance, were overpaid, and std
not care to labour more than two due in the week, 0134
that therefore a reduction was thought desirable, as a
means to cause them to labour more. Now, that was the
argument of the Noble Earl; but in his (the Bishop of
Oxtord's) opinion, the Noble Earl's argument was 11''n
answer to the ears complained of. They gave their de'
liberate opinion that as they saw things under their owe
eyes, ;the Act of 1846, instead of producing the
desired effect, had led almost to the lapse of this whole
people into barbarism. There was ,s universal belie
dint it was impossible to compete with free 'shear;
There was also an impression amongst capitalist
throughout Ewer° that they could not offer any seilf.
factory security-for the investment of cepital. There;
fore they could obtain no edvacces for the improvers°
of their manufacture, or their estates and machinery'
Capitalists did not hesitate to make large investraectw
in Cuba and Brazilian estates, which benefited in conssi
quence, while Jamaica was suffering from the want 0,
them, He felt the difficulty of dealing with this subject'
It seemed tai him that what they were doing with one
hand, they were undoing with the other. While they
were preventing the slave trade in Africa, and the intl.();
duction of slaves into our colonies on the one hand, they
were on the other stimulating the production of Bier
grown sueeir in the Brazils and Cuba.
Earl GREY denied that there was any want of cal
ployment in Jamaica from a decrease in the manufacture
of sugar. The quantity of sugar produced in the coley
had increased, and was increasing. But wages. he a
milted, had fallen some 15 or 20 per cent. His °g,ra'
went was, that their security was so bad that they Nu,
not get capital for improvements. However, notwiW
standing the indisposition of the planters to adapt th,e°3,.;
selves to the existing state of things, and the depeneet'd
upon the supposition of a return to protection, there De
Been more improvements in the colony during the last
five or six years than during the preceding twenty
thirty years.
The Earl of HARROWBY read a paper, showinmg
the increase in the production of sugar in the Breale—d
and in Cubs. During the last ten years it had increse.
in the Brazils from 82,000 tons to 235.000 tons, 601 in
.0-0
Cuba, from 63,000 to 111,000 tons. Upen the average.
of years it appeared that, with some few excePt'a—of
there had been a gradual decrease in the productie,ae
sugar in Jamaica. They had also exported machie"re
;
to the Havannah and Cuba, which would not have bee
done if they could have obtained a profitable return fr°l"..
their estates.
Lord STANLEY (of Alderley), who was nearly ftlf
~.
';
cudible, was understood to say, that since emanciest'°d
the cultivation of sneer had increased in Europe,
that had tended to decrease the price of sugar in tog
market. Ho thought more was made- of the effea";se
the Act of 1846 than was justly deducible from
operation.
The conversation then dropp3d, and their lardsbill
adjourned.

HOUSE OF COMMONS, June 10.
MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. Its
A messenger from the Lords brought up the follow'
ing Bills, to which their Lordships had agreed:--
Registration of Births, Deaths, and Marriages.
South Essex Estuary and Reclamatioe. 't 131
Lancaster Wuterworks, Cemetery, and Gas, Yll-11°
amendment.
Londonderry Bridge (No. 2).
Eastern Counties Railway (Power to use the -
Anglian Railway a. &e.), with an amendment.
Eoinburgh ard Glasgow Railway.
London and Nortn-Vic,stern Rail vay (No. 2). )
Londonderry Bridge (No. 1). •
Tyne Improvement, with nmenflnaents.
DUTY ON CARRIAGES.
On the motion for going into Committee of SuPPII.(IO
Sir DE LACY EVANS moved that the Iloteie.th
resolve itself into a Committe of the whole House,
a view to the modificetiation of the carriage dutiex
believed the eftect of that would be to increase the
venue.
sid
The CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER tsees
the question had been brought before the 1101191 ,;the
morning. He begged to say that he would 19,..A:
matter into hie consideration, with a view to Nvi'A"t
iog
believed to be the interests of all parties ; but °oar
the present session it would bo impossible to e°l3e
the question.
1100se
Mr. AGLIONBY supported the vote, and the ...-
then divided, when there appeared—
For the motion.,.
Auainst it
Majority egeinst tee motion
SUPPLY.
1 he House then went law a Committee of SuP,Plefiee
for
Female for the Female Hospital, Dublin, and 6001. N
Female Orphan House, Dublin, were agreed to.
1,500/. for the Westmoreland Lock Hospital.
1,0501. for Stephen's Hospital, Dublin.
2,6601. for the Fever Hospital, Cork-street, Dublin.
for the Hospital for Incurables.
38,5601. for Non-conforming, Secedinee and proteP
taut Minister.;
Mr. ANS I'EY said he now wished to call the al
tiou of the Committee to the notorious vote called. rot
Regium dmunt, upon the subject of weich he corenisitos
that no iniormation bad been given. He believed, did
the great bulk of the Dissenting ministers of Irelane„,
not themselvee require this grant, and that the Pres4s
terian congregations had petitioned that House aga'oll,
its continuance. He believed the object of the MoYe°‘,oo
grant, the Regiuru donum, and other similar grants',
08,
not the promotion of religion, but for the purpose 0,1,,e0.,
curing the good opinion of the lower classes. TheL.le of
byterians rejected the grant with scorn; the exietensx p
it was a source of discord and 583picion among therri'nat
was believed that the most worthy object."Znis'
selected, and that their orthodoxy (in the ficoto-`-hot the
tic sense) was not consulted. They represented that
nienabers of
grant, therefore, was made use of to
their body from the original profession of Geoeva' 0001
ever, he considered that all endowments or grants9e. vire
pervert -- 800,
or permanent, for religious purposes, should ceas•
an
therefore should Irmo the rejection of the vote,
divide against it.
1". ber coula
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said the lion. —em d thel
know little of the Presbyterian body if be suppose
could be bribed by such a vote.—(Hear, hear.)
Mr. ANSTEY—I never said so
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON said he. had so understood th°
Ron, Member, and begged to deny it. The fact ;v.
that at the time of James 1., when a body of Pre?,4o
terians came from Scotland,
should be a public grant for their ministers. 'Joon.
arrangement had repeatedly been recognised by Parv,Td,
is was stipulated that tr,,g'big
meat, and he was persuaded it would not be disturb
—(Hear, hear.) It was not true that there had er.„
any application from the Presbyterianwsuoufid ylrbealradnldtowiev;
continue the grant; and Parliament
draw from them so long-continued an assistance. „I.
Captain JONES asserted that the Hon. Member
Youghal had made a most unfounded
.statement ie
presenting that the Presbyterians required their loYsly
to be seance by bribes.—(Hear, hear.) The efforte,'r
their ministers were most assiduous to maintain ora;
and peace.—(Hear, hear.) Let the Presbyterian e°e„l.
ties be compared with others as to the state of crimes
the cost of constabulary.—(gear, hear.)
Mr. HUME said the objection to the vote involvedfor
imputation upon the character of the Presbyterians,
ne.
all men would take public money if they could get itibe
(Laughter.)days
sof
jsm It
bwuatsttirmuees
thheadvorateu
body of Dissenters bo paid by Government in
lichadalbteeernedbesginueneiothe:se
The objection to it was one of principle, Should °,4
Protestants s were so
havepaid in
religiousE lsnd
g? r
aWn t
ea! itf rightelo
every man for
had not? Let
his own doctor, (A laugh.) Tno Presbyterians' iles
pay for his own parson, as
to pay their own clergy, as other religious el al
should. No less than 520 clergymen were paid °die'
this vote—a paltry pittance for each—which it Was ot'
ereditble that so rich a body should allow their nier ''"
to receive.
Mr. STANFORD said he thought the Hot`..'"tetober
had spoken a great deal of common sense. But he 00,
fessed that he often found himself placed in a veryittee
barrasing position with respect to votes in Comm__ c
the
of Supply, by reason of the anomalies comprised 10 a
flo
British Constitution.—(hear, hear.) Ile was 10 .0031
of an Established Church, but it was hardly CO for
to support it, and at the same time to support YelTneess'
the maintenance of ether religious communities. „"to
no good reason for the vote, and if it were carried cgs
division, he must vote against it. It was most me,treht
to call upon Members to uphold an Established t'L..
ots
and also to vote public money to keep up religion'oosir
opposed to it.—(Hear.) It was timo that some sot
ject; and sensible course should be taken upon tne t
ject; and he should pursue such a course the Preso
instance. ive°
Mr. FOX considered no sound reason had been g,„,00/,
for the grunt. It had risen from 8,0001. to 38,,'',10.
And so much was it viewed with aversion in the .".ea
byterian body, that ministers sometimes had beel3bieci
„
pelled to relinquish it or resign their posts. One
Lion to the grant was that it was distributed iu Pr°P—nvri'ion
ae 0
to the numbtr of congregations, which, of course,
taenrti alsoi tendedsuppo
rtoti
n depress h .
great inducement to constant division of congregarthe
Presbyterians
bgyrthel. properEzevaeltillbsoode
g their re igion.
who eharel tie
grant hal ecruples in receiving
0,0
one who was Vexed with inconsistency epon b; so 0
said his conscience went against 1 ilea
minister of religion, but he considered that he reec
it es a politieiau.—(A laugh.) io
Mr. W. PROSSER said ail these grants were, one
opinion, injurious to the religious denominatio
Vowed and to the religious character of the State; for
the State to endow half' a dozen religions was really
most tantamount to practice' infidelity.—(Hear,nob
There were great anomalies on the subject, and
estb,
• I"established.ln England a religion was rit,
principle
lished which was considered true, and was also
O'
Rion of the majority. In Scotland a religion was
vt_o
was only the religion ofi
lished altogether different, and in Ireland one „„
the minority. No priocipl.et was
followed,
too
followed, therefore; neither the truth of a tali g
ta
its being that of the majority.—(Hear.) The while
• a
the Irish Church being so anomalous, he coels! not
it existed hastily alter the position of other
communities.—(gear.) The whole question
_vice`ss wane
s
investigation and adjustment upon sound and 14'
like princWlLiples.
Mr. LIAMS opposedopposed the grauf, a Plinilfir vote

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