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which occurred annually, that moment Lord Portman
was summarily dismissed; no communication was made
to hire; Lard Portman wss in the country, and on his
return he found a notice on -his table, that ho had be ,ii
superseded by_the Govor.iß--inti there was not one word
of explanstion, and the polities' par.isan of the Gev,-rn-
mem in the pariSh was instituted in his steed. The
parishes complained that .they W-ere not allowed
.to ma-
nage their own siTairs, and—that niandateltses ,veto
plied for to coerce thmii; thoui7tr,.., unt!fr the cir-
cumstances, that the motion of his Neble. Friend was a
very fair one,- and he lipped ha would press it to a di-
vision.—(llent) ' . .
Mr. JACOB BELL ,vindicated the conduct of the
parish of Marylebone at -some length, • and contended
that the aspersions which bad been cast upon them had
been undeserved,

•
Mr. HENLEY said that the House had nothing to do
with the management, good or bad, of the Mary lebone
vestry. The only question before the House was whether
the authority of the Poor-law Board ought to be ex-
tended to parishes having local Acts. He had heard no
reason why the exemptions should be continued, and he
should, therefore, vote against the proposal of the Noble
Lord.
Mr. WARLEY saw no reason why a continuance Act
should bo now intredeced, inasmuch as the Poor-law
Board would not expire till next year. What was
wanted was a poor-law court; with a poor-law judge,
where applic itions from different parishes could be heard
and decided in public, and then in a short time you would
have a code of laws for
your guidance. He trusted that
the Government would relinquish this Bill.
Mr. W. WILLIAMS hoped that the Right Honour-
able Baronet opposite would consent to withdraw all in-
terference with parishes and their affairs, or that the
House would support the motion of the Noble Lord
(Lord Dudley Stuart). -
Lord EBRINGTON would suggest to the Right Hon.
Baronet that he should' look-very carefully into the state
of the metropolitan workhouses, in some of which
there had been of late a very alarming amount of mor-
tality. He (Lord Ebrington) would give his support to
the Bill.
The Marquis of GRANBY was quite tired of hearing
the uncontradicted statements of Hon. Members respect-
ing the universal employment of the lower orders.—(Oh,
oh, and Hear, hear.) The Hon. Member for Finsbury
said that there was less pressure in the workhouses in
consequence of the increased employment, but could the
same be said of some parts of Ireland, where they were
told the assistance of the soldiery was required to main-
tain order? The Honourable Member for Montrose had
told them the other evening that there were thousands
of unemployed persons in Scotland who ought to be
sent to Australia, and to-morrow night there was to be
a ball in London in aid' of those who were out of em-
ployment in this city. With these facts before him, he
confessed that he was-tired of hearing it asserted that
there were no persons, out of employment.---(Hear.)
Lord R. GROSVENOR was one of those who had
voted for the original Bill. He should be sorry that all
central power should now be withdrawn, for he thought
that the poor would suffer by it. It appeared there was
a doubt with regard to the•law. This might be an instrur
meet of very great torture to the rate-payers. Therefore
he would vote that an amendment should be made.
Sir DE LACY EVANS offered a fevv observations
in favour of his amendment, which, however, could not
be moved. He said that to leave the nomination of the
officers in the vestry, and the removal of them not in the
vestry, would be to take from the vestry all its autho-
ritttogether. If subordinate officers in the army could
say to their superior that his orders were not legal, and
that their legality must be shown before they were com-
plied with, they coul I not get on. And this was not all
for if the arguments which he opposed were good, the
whele of the vestries should be put an end to, and com-
plete centralization established. At any rate, it was
quite clear that the two systems could not go together.
Lord DUDLEY STUART explained that be did not
mean anything beyend making those parishes which
had local Acts independent of the Poor-law Board.
The House then divided, when the numbers were—
Ayes ... ..• ••• • • 33
Noes ... ••• •.• 112
M ij erity . _79

The House then regolvea itself into a Committee, Mr
BERNAL in the chair. • •

On clause 1 being proposed,

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Lord DUDLEY STUART moved that the blank be
filled up with the worth " fifty-three" instead of fifty-
four," his object toang to limit the duration of the Bill to
one year.
Mr. SOTHERON thought it would be much better
to extend the time to five years, the period for
which the original Bill.; was passed, and gave notice of
his intention to move the insertion of words to that
effect.
After a few words from Mr. Bouverie, Mr. Abel
Smith, and Sir J. Trollope,
The Committee divided on the proposition that the
blank be filled up with the words "fifty-four."
For the amendment ... ... 26
Against it ..• ••• ... 72
M3jority for " fifty-four" ... —46
On our return to the gallery,

rH cOmpliiiiied of certain new regale-
lions which hsd been thrust upon the Chichester board
of guardians since the Right Hon. Gentleman opposite
came into office.

Sir JOHN TROLLOPE explained that these regula-
tions, though sent out by him, had been prepared by his
predecessor.
The Bill then went through Committee.
Sir BENJAMIN HALL wished to ask the Hon.
Member for Wiltshire whether he intended to take any
other opportunity of moving that the Poor-law Bill to
continued for five years?
Mr. SOTHERON took that opportunity of giving nc-
tice that, on the report being brought up, he would move
that the Bill be continued for five years.
Sir BENJ AMIN HALL said he would give such a
proposition all the opposition in his power, and hopei
the matter would be brought on at a period of the
evening when it could be fully discussed.
Mr. WALTER also would oppose that propositicn.
If the Bill was to bo continued from time to time the
oftener it was brought under revision the better.
The House then resumed; the report to be brought up
on Thursday.
The Turnpike Trusts Arrangements Bill passed
through Committee
The Differential Dues Bill was read a third time and
passed.
On the question that the Passengers' Act Amendment
Bill be further considered,

Mr. CARDWELL reminded the Right Hon. Colonial
secretary that his Hon. Friend the Member for South
Lancashire and himself had a clause to bring forward,
relating to the passenger-fee levied on emigrant vessels.
Ho did not complain of the lateness of the hour (it was
now a quarter past one o'clec11), but the debate wou:d.
occupy some time; however; if the Right Hon. Gentle-
man wished to go on he (Mr. Cardwell) was ready.
Sir JOAN FAKING roN thought the debate might
go on; he did not think it would occupy much time.
Mr. WILLIAM BROWN hoped the consideration of
the Bill would be pos•poned. He expected great sym-.
pathy from Hon. Members opposite, as his clause would
to some extent relieve the whipping interest, but the'
House was very thin at present, and most of the Members
he referred to were absent.

The Bill was then postponed to Thursday next.
The Committee on the Grand Juries (Metropolitan.
Districts) Bill, was postponed to Friday next, after some.
remarks from Mr. Stuart Wortley, objecting that the
Bill went tea far, and suggesting that it would be batter
to retain the power of summoning grand juries with
limited powers.

The Ecclesiastical Courts (Criminal Jurisdiction) Bill
passed through Committee.
The Inland Revenue °Mee Bill, the Hereditary Casual
Revenues in the Colonies Bill, the Excise Summary Pro-
ceedings Bill, and the Bishopric of Quebec Bill were
severally read a second time and ordered to be com-
mitted.

The Masters' Act Extension Bill was committed pro
forma in order to be re-committed on Friday next.
The Nisi Prius Officers (Deficiency of Fees, &c.) Bill
passed thro,igh Committee.
. Mr. STAFFORD moved for, and obtained leave to
bring in a Bill to amend the Act 11 Geo. IV., c. 20.
Mr. G. A. HAMILTON moved for, and obtained
leave to bring in a Bill to alter and amend certain Acts
relating to the Woods, Forests, and Land Revenues of
the Crown.

The House then adjourned at 20 minutes before Two
o'clock.

HOUSE OF LORDS, May 24.
The LORD CHANCELLOR took his seat on tho Wool-
sack at Frye o'clock.

MR. COBBETT'S CASE.
Lord CAMPBELL presented a petition from Mr.
Jesse 01
dfield complaining of the present state of the
law with regard to actions brought in forma
pauperis
gMinr.alOwldefilei.lkdtisotawtieidsworrt et3
ofhabeas
and
praying for corpus, and
alteration in the law.
no thate ehdei n hadgs i
nbeen n
sae
cipuaernt party toe theof
w hoireih-
vMoicirts.ooChne,orba, bneldtBt3t
h9haitdis,
1839—above
since that
1a
oo time—the
m e committed_ t
hto o theQueen's
commencement Benchof
zertitts of habeas corpus had
been moved for by Mr.
rat.n_deorabeb,vve atetsr,teannl luoimwn bipeoerrnmdod-f
actions brought against him by
pauperis, and at the present time
ing no less than seven actions, rlo
also brought against him
by Mr. Cobbett.
Atter a tor words from the LORD CIIANELLOR,
of
Lord CAMPBELL moved for a return _ the number
of writs of habeas corpus moved for by Mr. Cobbett since
the Ist October, 1839.
The return was agreed to.
PETITIONS.

The Duke of NEWCASTLE presented a petition
from builders and others in the metropolis, praying for
the enfr:irichiiement or copyholds.
The At hbisbop of CANTERBURY presented a
petition upinit the INLynnoth grant.
On the in)tion of Lord COLCHESTER, the stock in
Trade Bill was read•a third time and passed.
Oa the iii,tir,n of the same NOBLE LORD the Highway
Ra*cs Bill w Is read a third time and passed.
Oa the motion for the bringing up the report on the
Common Law Procedure Bill,
Lo:d LYN I)HURST said that a rumour bad gone
abroad that this Bill was distasteful to the Government,
and that they hati. retarded the pregress of it in Com-
-I.iorte''. Ile would appeal to the Noble and Learned
facilitate its
ds opposite si healer this was the case, and
whether,: in fact,
Lord
owing
and Learned'
they had not done all they could to
progress. In fact had it not been
to the unfortunate illi;e3s of the Noble
would long
dcou
awaywould ongreatproceedednumberimpeded of
in3tances in whioh

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