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before
they could repeal it they must be prepared with
Was
substitute ter it.—(Herr, hear.) Well, then. he
Which
a loss to uederstetel wnet tax could be suggested
theteh tho people would accept as a substitute for
Malt-tax, for there was it large class who
advocated
voeate,d the tax on the ground that it had the effect
of diminishng drunkenness, and they certainly would
el"
W 45 abolition --(tit ar, hear.) The hop-tax. how
not viewed in that light; it was a tax in fact
,
• eJlf the wholesome beverage of the poor man,
4,1 having had some experience in the House of the
,9
:Acuity of carrying large questions, he could tell those
,wha advocated the repeal of the tax they must per-
letere, in spite of the temporary difficulty which it
might impose upon the Government.—(Hear.) He
therefore hoped this motion would be pushed to a divi-
al°e, and then the poor man would fet,. who were his
friends and who were not —(Neer.)
Mr. FREWEN was quite sate,fied with the answer
that had been mode by the Chancellor of the Exch, quer,
and "der these eireutevtances he should not put the
goose to the trouble of going to a division.—(Hear.)
Mr. BASS admitted that a good deal of distress bed
Prevailed, of late years amongst the farmers of Kent and
h nrcestershire, bat it did not result from the growing of
Ost but of wheat, and he recommended them to deme
, -•re attention to hops than corn. He denied that the
aye et gentian had increased in proportion to the
recent increase in the conrumption of bitter ale, as was
,alleged
~ by one Hon. Gentleman who had taken part in
"41s.debate.—(11ear, hear.)
After a few words from Sir E. FILMER, the motion
Wati withdrawn.
FOREIGN REFUGEES.
Mr, M. MILNES rose to move for an address for
"Pies of the correspondence between her Majesty's
'Government
end Foreign States, respectirg the protec-
tion afforded to refugees (in continuation of the corre-
spondence already presented to Parliament). The Hon.
Member said, that at the commencement of the session
if had applied to the Noble Lord who had then been at
tke head of the Government for the purpose of aseer-
caining whether he intended to lay before the House the
Correspondence between the British Government and the
Governments of certain foreign States with respect to
foreign refugees; and the Noble Lord said thaw: ho would
produce that correspondence, and it had accordingly
been submitted to the House. Those papers concluded
with a dispatch of Earl Granville and certain communi-
cations which had arisen out of that dispatch. The
Earl of Westmoreland had stated that Prince Schwan-
a,nberg, at the time Earl Granville's dispatch bad
reached him, had been occupied with important busint ss.
and that he could not therefore give an immediate re-
ty. But a short time atter the date of Lord Westmore-
Tad's letter, it had been stated in the public press that
a certain dispatch bad been forwarded by Prince
Behwartzenberg to the Foreign-office in this country.
NOW he (M.r. Wines) thought it very important that
that dispatch should be laid before the House, for the
tette of it, as it had appeared in the public journals, was,
to say the least of it, of a very peculiar and painful
character. He had asked his Right Herr. F,iend the
chancellor of the Exchequer shortly atter the accession
of the present Government to office, whether he would
have any objection to lay those papers before the House,
but
; his Right Hon. Friend was unwilling to produce
'ern, on the plea that the correspondence had not at
that time been complete. But he would permit his
Right Ron. Friend to say that such a plea merely meant
that he did not find it convenient to produce the papers.
again ask his Right Hon. Friend whether he
i 4 any objection to produce the dispatch addressed to
`newer
Granville by Prince Schwartzenberg, and any
`llwer which Lord Granville might have made to that
dispatch? If his Right Hon. Friend should find it con-
'enient to produce, also, any correspondence which
"light have taken place on the same subject since the
accession of the present Government to office, the House
"'QUM, no doubt, gratefully receive that addition to its
storey of
information.
xhe CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER said his
got. Friend seemed to belong to that school of politics
which believed that the essence of diplomacy was mys-
tery; for he evidently thought it quite impossible that
whenever a diplomatic interest was concerned a Minister
ttid give a straightforward answer. His Honourable
Friend had tome partial knowledge of the correspond-
ence to which he bad referred; and he had the other
day asked him (the Chancellor of the Exchequer) when
be would lay seme further papers before the House.
g 1) had then told his Hod!•Friend that the correspond-
ence was not complete, but that when it should be corn-
lete he would produce it. He bed at present to inform
to Ron, Friend that the correspondence was not only
ectaplate, Init that it was nearly printed, and that when
t should be fully printed, which would probably he in a
day or.two, it should be laid before the House.—(Hear,
"'tr.) He could assure his Hon. Friend that his ques-
tion
aa was in no way embarrassing. He could not sup-
Vie that his Hon. Friend would then press his motion
a division; and he believed that he had himself en-
wftly fulfilled the promise he had given upon the subject.
e°dr. M. MILNES said he did not accuse his Right
fia Friend of having indulged in any mystery in that
cave-ii He. only hoped that on every other subject
answer of the Right Hon. Gentleman would be
'Virally distinct.
41-,ord J. RUSSELL said he took it for granted that his
°n• Friend would not press his motion to a division
after the statement of the Right Hon. Gentleman.
.:The motion was then withdrawn.
EGYPT AND THE PORTE.
)&r• ANDERSON moved an address to the Crown for
tx), Pies of all correspondence between her Majesty's Go-
ernMent, her Majesty's Ambassador at Constantinople,
yld her Majesty's agent and Consul-General in Egypt,
ne the Ist day of January, 1850, relative to the at-
-7,lcated interference of the Sublime Porte in the internal
Pasha
of Egypt, by proposing to deprive the
of the power to ieflict capital punishment on ca-
rtiltt% convicted criminals, to construct railways for the
that
improvement of and facility of transit through
l
• at country, and otherwise, and of all representations
made by British subjects in reference thereto. He ob-
served that the country had a deep interest in the ques-
tion now pending between the Ottoman Porte and the
calle of Egypt. It was a favourite saying of the late
:14, Mehemet Ali, that Egypt had become the bridge
tween Europe and Asia. The centre of that bridge
hiec a desert a few years since, but now it was converted
great highway of traffic, and numbers of camels
hkto4 with merchandise, specie, and letters, private,
commercial, and governmental, regularly traversed the
rll
11, th. The importance of this correspondence in a po-
ll°al, commercial, and social light, the House would
1,„4
d.encily appreciate; and he might also ohserve that the
e.tatce between Europe and the East was by
i..!.° route shortened about one fourth in time.
ixt the House consider the inconveniences
nrieh would be felt if all the advantages
this route should be lost to this country. He
87h87eved that the British people would never submit to
/rti a state of things; yet, it the proceedings of the
clrte were allowed to go on unchecked, he anticipated
that the traffic along it would be nearly stopped, or, at
ail:events, seriously impeded. He would refer to the
t1:1111 of the pretensions put forward by the Porte since
11,a accession of the present Pasha of Egypt. The latter
413Menced some rather sweeping reforms, believing that
rnY abuses existed under the former Administration.
L found many (State) manufactories established,which
7_o thought of no use; being of opinion that the proper
manufacture of Egypt was corn, which might be ex-
Ohm
ged for the commodities of other countries. The
t *B4 consequently broke up several of those manufac-
:Zing establishments and dismissed a number of em-
'o6, many of whom were Frenchmen, who went to
:wristantinople, and there organized a conspiracy, hay-
tog for its object to deprive the Pasha of the govern-
kent Of Egypt, and reduce that country to the condi-
tion of an ordinary pashalte. Among other pretensions
of the Porte was one which struck at the root of all
government in It
prive the gash gYoPfthe
t • ;and that was an attempt to de-
power of inflicting capital
Punishments.—(He
ar hear) Without such a power
ir, it would be utterly f possible to maintain subordina-
tion in the country,
, or to secure safety to life or pro-
perty. To carry out the objects which the enemies of
14 Pasha had at heart di
ssensions had been industri-
ously fomented between the different members of his
ra, pally, which, if further excited, must lead to civil war,
weause those relatives possessed large
districts of laud,
andhad great numbers of agricultural E
tenantry under
their control. Emissaries had also been
Bent to
and they had created a considerable feeling of f .iniiugbyoOrt,
e
taloa by persuading the people that the Pasha had
" authority, as the Sultan had taken all
al honourin
power awcy
tom him. It might be asked, why could not
apgypt be
Remarried as well by Turkey as by the Pash but, •
maintain the 're*, he would say that he thought the nation
.t.of this country was pledged to present
in the position in which Mehemet Ali had been
I„Pteld from 1841. To show how impotent the Turk-
-I,' Government was to protect property and person,
Would read an extract from a letter received that day
in-suf Constantinople :—" The weak administration
the Turkish Government as to affordiug protection
0—„, life or property, is made manifest by facts
of number. Even in this capital we are scarcely
in..? secure from murder and theft than persons
here g
in the provinces; the only difference being, that
gangs
the acts are perpetrated during
''"'lge of organized thieves, whereas those in the country
the night and by
take
plaoo during the day and in sight and call of the
hues
of the victims, and frequently within gunshot of
Zell who are called guards. At Smyrna two cases oc-
tintred not long since of a particularly glaringdescrip-
tion, viz.; I. that of the Dutch Consul, who was taken
oftt of his own vineyard at 3, P.M., and within call of his
ec'nlie and kept by the banditti who infest the neigh-
bourhood of that city until his friends ransomed him for
it
the Danish Consul-General, who was actually taken
i,?lca his house' n the centre of a village of upwards of
main
houses, having a so-called military force of 200
ta'to,rig quartered in it. The payment of a sort of bl,ck
Jill by the Smyrna merchants to these robbers for per-
reeion to get the fruit and other produce brought there
Shipment exempted from plunder is well known." He
1750 recalled to the recollection of the House the mas-
4ere of the Christians at Aleppo not long since. With
etch a state of things let the House contrast the safety
11".(1 security which existed in Egypt, and then decide
whether there was any good reason for transferring the
ittrernnaent of that country to Turkey. He regretted
naY that there was a general idea prevailing that the
th asha was not supported in a manner consistent with
elusion which this country had given, and in con-
s observed, that though people had been talking of
caench invasion of this country, they might possibly
see,h unless due attention was bestowed on the matters he
submitted to the House, a French invasion on the
Neehores of the Mediterranean and on the banks of
Zee
that
CHANCELLOR of the EXCHEQUER gated
._ls,t, the mitten of 1,0 Honenratle Nlenther realty led
,‘"u_t.erence to ore, ef the met_ important end di licate
ruts of foreign politics, namely, the relations between
cill_rkey and Egypt; and he could assure the Honourable
-94t1em412 that the conduct of the present epvernment,

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